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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND) => Topic started by: Nut44x4 on April 17, 2009, 08:10:23 PM



Title: Sandra Cantu #4 4/27/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 17, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
(http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/sandracantuframe.gif)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2009, 09:33:07 AM
 ::MonkeyDance::

 ::cartwheel::

Thanks Nut, Muffy Bee.


me thinks I need to go find me posts from late last eve alot of "good stuff" happeing here and on Blinkoncrime.com yesterday.. brb 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2009, 09:37:08 AM
::MonkeyDance::

 ::cartwheel::

Thanks Nut, Muffy Bee.


me thinks I need to go find me posts from late last eve alot of "good stuff" happeing here and on Blinkoncrime.com yesterday.. brb 

Good morning Blink  (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/1.gif)

Good morning monks


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 09:40:04 AM
Good Morning, I was looking at the pic of Timothy Lawless, and the three pics of the man that is unidentified. I'm terrible at comparing pictures, the only thing I'm noticing is the unidentified man has fuller lips, other then that he does look similar.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tams on April 27, 2009, 09:43:27 AM
Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2009, 09:47:07 AM
Wow Muffy, nice work!  Just reading back and catching up but great job on the thread change!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2009, 09:48:23 AM
Wow Muffy, nice work!  Just reading back and catching up but great job on the thread change!

Thank you.
 :)

Edit to shrink smiley.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2009, 09:49:32 AM
Here is another link to try:  http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/seekcac.htm
Here is # 13...

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh340/JustMe_029/johndoe13a.jpg)

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh340/JustMe_029/johndoe13b.jpg)

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh340/JustMe_029/johndoe13c.jpg)

just bumping this to compare...

I am thinking this could possibly be the same person!

IMO, not the same person if Timothy Lawless is who you were thinking of:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/TimLawlessPic1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 09:56:46 AM
Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?
Yes, I did, and you could be right about the wife divorcing him, because she got wind of his activities.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on April 27, 2009, 10:18:50 AM
Morning monkeys!
Perhaps we will get some good news today and another missing child will be found and returned to their family...wouldn't that be groovy? saying a quick prayer that will happen....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: goodnmad on April 27, 2009, 10:46:31 AM
Wow, Blink. You never cease to amaze me. Keep up the good work. Looks like you need troll repellant over there.  ::MonkeyTongue::

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/24/sandra-cantu-case-sources-lawless-relative-arrested-on-sex-charges/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/24/sandra-cantu-case-sources-lawless-relative-arrested-on-sex-charges/)



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 10:50:24 AM
Don't think this has been posted yet....wht's with the Lawless name and child molesters!   ::MonkeyEek::

http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/


Timothy Lawless - Pedophile tells judge Child Porn is his ‘therapy’


    A 24-year-old Calais man told a Washington County Superior Court judge that looking at child pornography served as a form of therapy for him after working with abused children helped him confront his own demons of child abuse.

    Under cross-examination by First Assistant District Attorney Paul Cavanaugh, Lawless didn’t have an answer for why he disseminated the pornographic images to two others with comments such as “Hope you’re not disappointed,” and “Hope you like it.”


Judge E. Allen Hunter nonetheless sentenced Timothy Lawless on Wednesday to three years in prison with all but 120 days suspended. Lawless could have been sentenced to up to 10 years behind bars.

Lawless was placed on six years probation and ordered to perform 600 hours of community service. He also has to register as a sex offender for the next 10 years and complete a psychological evaluation from a mental health professional trained in sexual abuse issues.

“He needs some professional health intervention to deal with these issues,” the judge said.

On Feb. 5, Lawless entered guilty pleas to two counts of dissemination and two counts of possession of sexually explicit material. The incidents occurred from November 2006 until May 2007 when he was caught. Some of the images police confiscated were of children under the age of 12, while others were of minors under the age of 18. Lawless admitted he sent two e-mails with sexually explicit images attached to them — one to an individual in the United Kingdom and the other to someone in Scotland. In all, 300 pictures were found in Lawless’ Internet accounts.

On the witness stand Tuesday, Lawless said he was 9 years old when he was sexually abused over a three-day period by a 17-year-old. He said he was ashamed and never told anyone.

In May 2004, Lawless said he was hired first part time and later full time as a behavioral tech at the Calais Children’s Project, a residential treatment program for children who suffer from a variety of medical, emotional, neurological and behavioral problems. He is no longer employed there.

He testified that working at the treatment center brought back memories of his own abuse. He said he felt a connection with the children and felt he could help “fix” the kids, especially those who had been sexually abused.

“I felt my experience would help them,” he said.

Lawless went on the Internet in 2006. He said he looked at the child pornography as a kind of therapy because the images disgusted him and made him cry. He denied he had received sexual gratification from the pictures.

On May 7, Calais police told Lawless they had found the porn in his Internet account and confronted him. He told police his computer had crashed, so they were unable to examine it. After he was arrested, Lawless accepted responsibility and sought counseling. Lawless said he would prefer probation to jail.

“I’d rather be dead than sit in prison,” he told the judge.

Under cross-examination by First Assistant District Attorney Paul Cavanaugh, Lawless didn’t have an answer for why he disseminated the pornographic images to two others with comments such as “Hope you’re not disappointed,” and “Hope you like it.”

When asked why he hadn’t sought counseling from trained professionals at the treatment center, Lawless said he didn’t feel he could trust them because of how they treated the children. He said they “hollered” at them.

Lawless’ psychotherapist, John Helmstadter of Alexander, testified that in the past Lawless kept his problems “bottled up” inside, but with counseling he had confronted them.

Helmstadter suggested Lawless be placed on probation and allowed to participate in community service. “I think this is a man well on his way to being salvaged,” he testified.

Lawless’ mother, Carmen Small of Robbinston, said her son never confided in her that he had been molested. Had she known, she said, she would have sought help for him. She said her son was a “24-year-old virgin” who did not abuse drugs or alcohol. “He was a victim. I wish he’d told me. He has owned up to it and sought help,” she said.

During closing arguments, Lawless’ attorney, Jeffrey Davidson of East Machias, noted his client was not a predatory individual.

“This is not a case of a person seeking out children and preying on them. This is not for profit. Three hundred images is not a lot of pictures in the Internet world,” he said.

Davidson also noted the images were not of youngsters engaged in sexual acts with adults, but were of naked youngsters sitting in various positions. “Tim did make victims of these children but not for self-gratification. He did it to deal with his own issue,” he said.

Cavanaugh disagreed. He said Lawless frequented child pornography sites and forwarded those images on to others. To say the children were just posing, Cavanaugh argued, minimized how serious the incident was.

During sentencing, the judge noted that Lawless had taken responsibility for what he had done, but believed the Calais man was in denial. He rejected Lawless’ argument that he had received no sexual gratification from the images.

“His statement lacks the ring of truth,” the judge said.

He also rejected Lawless’ argument that working with children with problems similar to his helped not only him, but also the children.

“That just doesn’t compute,” the justice said. “[And] his criticism that the staff abused children was not believable … and undermines his credibility.”

Although Lawless’ attorney asked for time before his client had to report to jail, the judge rejected that request. “The day is here, he needs to go,” Hunter said.

Lawless was placed in handcuffs and taken to the Washington County Jail.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 10:58:28 AM
Izzy thanks for that article  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 11:36:23 AM
Izzy thanks for that article  ::MonkeyEek::

welcome :)

I also found a site called courtrecords.org  You do have to pay for the records




    
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 27, 2009, 11:59:26 AM
Don't think this has been posted yet....wht's with the Lawless name and child molesters!   ::MonkeyEek::

http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/


Timothy Lawless - Pedophile tells judge Child Porn is his ‘therapy’


    A 24-year-old Calais man told a Washington County Superior Court judge that looking at child pornography served as a form of therapy for him after working with abused children helped him confront his own demons of child abuse.

    Under cross-examination by First Assistant District Attorney Paul Cavanaugh, Lawless didn’t have an answer for why he disseminated the pornographic images to two others with comments such as “Hope you’re not disappointed,” and “Hope you like it.”


Judge E. Allen Hunter nonetheless sentenced Timothy Lawless on Wednesday to three years in prison with all but 120 days suspended. Lawless could have been sentenced to up to 10 years behind bars.

Lawless was placed on six years probation and ordered to perform 600 hours of community service. He also has to register as a sex offender for the next 10 years and complete a psychological evaluation from a mental health professional trained in sexual abuse issues.

“He needs some professional health intervention to deal with these issues,” the judge said.

On Feb. 5, Lawless entered guilty pleas to two counts of dissemination and two counts of possession of sexually explicit material. The incidents occurred from November 2006 until May 2007 when he was caught. Some of the images police confiscated were of children under the age of 12, while others were of minors under the age of 18. Lawless admitted he sent two e-mails with sexually explicit images attached to them — one to an individual in the United Kingdom and the other to someone in Scotland. In all, 300 pictures were found in Lawless’ Internet accounts.

On the witness stand Tuesday, Lawless said he was 9 years old when he was sexually abused over a three-day period by a 17-year-old. He said he was ashamed and never told anyone.

In May 2004, Lawless said he was hired first part time and later full time as a behavioral tech at the Calais Children’s Project, a residential treatment program for children who suffer from a variety of medical, emotional, neurological and behavioral problems. He is no longer employed there.

He testified that working at the treatment center brought back memories of his own abuse. He said he felt a connection with the children and felt he could help “fix” the kids, especially those who had been sexually abused.

“I felt my experience would help them,” he said.

Lawless went on the Internet in 2006. He said he looked at the child pornography as a kind of therapy because the images disgusted him and made him cry. He denied he had received sexual gratification from the pictures.

On May 7, Calais police told Lawless they had found the porn in his Internet account and confronted him. He told police his computer had crashed, so they were unable to examine it. After he was arrested, Lawless accepted responsibility and sought counseling. Lawless said he would prefer probation to jail.

“I’d rather be dead than sit in prison,” he told the judge.

Under cross-examination by First Assistant District Attorney Paul Cavanaugh, Lawless didn’t have an answer for why he disseminated the pornographic images to two others with comments such as “Hope you’re not disappointed,” and “Hope you like it.”

When asked why he hadn’t sought counseling from trained professionals at the treatment center, Lawless said he didn’t feel he could trust them because of how they treated the children. He said they “hollered” at them.

Lawless’ psychotherapist, John Helmstadter of Alexander, testified that in the past Lawless kept his problems “bottled up” inside, but with counseling he had confronted them.

Helmstadter suggested Lawless be placed on probation and allowed to participate in community service. “I think this is a man well on his way to being salvaged,” he testified.

Lawless’ mother, Carmen Small of Robbinston, said her son never confided in her that he had been molested. Had she known, she said, she would have sought help for him. She said her son was a “24-year-old virgin” who did not abuse drugs or alcohol. “He was a victim. I wish he’d told me. He has owned up to it and sought help,” she said.

During closing arguments, Lawless’ attorney, Jeffrey Davidson of East Machias, noted his client was not a predatory individual.

“This is not a case of a person seeking out children and preying on them. This is not for profit. Three hundred images is not a lot of pictures in the Internet world,” he said.

Davidson also noted the images were not of youngsters engaged in sexual acts with adults, but were of naked youngsters sitting in various positions. “Tim did make victims of these children but not for self-gratification. He did it to deal with his own issue,” he said.

Cavanaugh disagreed. He said Lawless frequented child pornography sites and forwarded those images on to others. To say the children were just posing, Cavanaugh argued, minimized how serious the incident was.

During sentencing, the judge noted that Lawless had taken responsibility for what he had done, but believed the Calais man was in denial. He rejected Lawless’ argument that he had received no sexual gratification from the images.

“His statement lacks the ring of truth,” the judge said.

He also rejected Lawless’ argument that working with children with problems similar to his helped not only him, but also the children.

“That just doesn’t compute,” the justice said. “[And] his criticism that the staff abused children was not believable … and undermines his credibility.”

Although Lawless’ attorney asked for time before his client had to report to jail, the judge rejected that request. “The day is here, he needs to go,” Hunter said.

Lawless was placed in handcuffs and taken to the Washington County Jail.


Do you know what state this was in?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 12:05:20 PM
First Missionary Baptist Church
http://www.fmbcbellflower.org/groupschedule.html



    * Message-Based Youth Bible Study


          o Taught by Louie Springer, Denise Springer, and Brett Lawless (English)

          o Where: Church Campus – Youth Building

          o Who: Jr. High – High School

          o When: 7:00 pm


    * Cypress-Area Message-Based Bible Study Group


          o Taught by Ron Cash and Brian Lawless (English)

          o Where: Meets in the Cash home

          o Who: Adults

          o When: 6:30 pm



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 12:07:32 PM
Don't think this has been posted yet....wht's with the Lawless name and child molesters!   ::MonkeyEek::

http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/


Timothy Lawless - Pedophile tells judge Child Porn is his ‘therapy’


    A 24-year-old Calais man told a Washington County Superior Court judge that looking at child pornography served as a form of therapy for him after working with abused children helped him confront his own demons of child abuse.

   

Lawless was placed in handcuffs and taken to the Washington County Jail.



Do you know what state this was in?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 12:09:04 PM
Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?

Good morning everyone!
Regarding the pic....Do you think there could be a bit of distortion with the computer pic? 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 12:10:53 PM
Don't think this has been posted yet....wht's with the Lawless name and child molesters!   ::MonkeyEek::

http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/


Timothy Lawless - Pedophile tells judge Child Porn is his ‘therapy’


    A 24-year-old Calais man told a Washington County Superior Court judge that looking at child pornography served as a form of therapy for him after working with abused children helped him confront his own demons of child abuse.

   

Lawless was placed in handcuffs and taken to the Washington County Jail.



Do you know what state this was in?

Maybe Oregon?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 12:11:49 PM
Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?

Good morning everyone!
Regarding the pic....Do you think there could be a bit of distortion with the computer pic? 
Love your new avi. That could be, I think the two men's lips are different, but that could be some kind of distortion.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 27, 2009, 12:16:15 PM
Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?

Good morning everyone!
Regarding the pic....Do you think there could be a bit of distortion with the computer pic? 

From the info posted his wife divorced him in 2007.  The photo of he and his wife, obviously had to be taken prior to that time. Who knows, it could have been taken 4 - 5 yrs prior.

The FBI photo showed that this individual was wanted for an act in Jan 2008, in Indiana.  People travel all over...  The computer pic is very close up, indicating to me features look larger than they are.

Well, Blink sent it on to the FBI for their tests.  Guess we will find out if it is indeed the same person. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 27, 2009, 12:18:58 PM
Blink ~  The FBI article indicated the state of Indiana, Hammond was mentioned.  Not sure if City of Hammond, or if there is also a County named Hammond.

Do you have any further information about this crime.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 12:19:16 PM
Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?

Good morning everyone!
Regarding the pic....Do you think there could be a bit of distortion with the computer pic? 
Love your new avi. That could be, I think the two men's lips are different, but that could be some kind of distortion.

Thanks! Wyks found the little monkey and CBB made it for me! She is adorable and I just love her! 

Regarding  the pic of the man, It could go either way imo


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 12:19:22 PM
Does anyone know how many of the Lawless clan are pastors? I am coming across quite a bit of them all in the Baptist churches


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 12:28:32 PM
Does anyone know how many of the Lawless clan are pastors? I am coming across quite a bit of them all in the Baptist churches

Seems like there are 2 Professions/interests in this family, You are either a preacher or you victimizing children and then of course, could be both!



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 12:36:15 PM
Does anyone know how many of the Lawless clan are pastors? I am coming across quite a bit of them all in the Baptist churches

Seems like there are 2 Professions/interests in this family, You are either a preacher or you victimizing children and then of course, could be both!



Isn't that the truth!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on April 27, 2009, 12:59:02 PM
Don't think this has been posted yet....wht's with the Lawless name and child molesters!   ::MonkeyEek::

http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/


Timothy Lawless - Pedophile tells judge Child Porn is his ‘therapy’


    A 24-year-old Calais man told a Washington County Superior Court judge that looking at child pornography served as a form of therapy for him after working with abused children helped him confront his own demons of child abuse.

    Under cross-examination by First Assistant District Attorney Paul Cavanaugh, Lawless didn’t have an answer for why he disseminated the pornographic images to two others with comments such as “Hope you’re not disappointed,” and “Hope you like it.”


Judge E. Allen Hunter nonetheless sentenced Timothy Lawless on Wednesday to three years in prison with all but 120 days suspended. Lawless could have been sentenced to up to 10 years behind bars.

Lawless was placed on six years probation and ordered to perform 600 hours of community service. He also has to register as a sex offender for the next 10 years and complete a psychological evaluation from a mental health professional trained in sexual abuse issues.

“He needs some professional health intervention to deal with these issues,” the judge said.

On Feb. 5, Lawless entered guilty pleas to two counts of dissemination and two counts of possession of sexually explicit material. The incidents occurred from November 2006 until May 2007 when he was caught. Some of the images police confiscated were of children under the age of 12, while others were of minors under the age of 18. Lawless admitted he sent two e-mails with sexually explicit images attached to them — one to an individual in the United Kingdom and the other to someone in Scotland. In all, 300 pictures were found in Lawless’ Internet accounts.

On the witness stand Tuesday, Lawless said he was 9 years old when he was sexually abused over a three-day period by a 17-year-old. He said he was ashamed and never told anyone.

In May 2004, Lawless said he was hired first part time and later full time as a behavioral tech at the Calais Children’s Project, a residential treatment program for children who suffer from a variety of medical, emotional, neurological and behavioral problems. He is no longer employed there.

He testified that working at the treatment center brought back memories of his own abuse. He said he felt a connection with the children and felt he could help “fix” the kids, especially those who had been sexually abused.

“I felt my experience would help them,” he said.

Lawless went on the Internet in 2006. He said he looked at the child pornography as a kind of therapy because the images disgusted him and made him cry. He denied he had received sexual gratification from the pictures.

On May 7, Calais police told Lawless they had found the porn in his Internet account and confronted him. He told police his computer had crashed, so they were unable to examine it. After he was arrested, Lawless accepted responsibility and sought counseling. Lawless said he would prefer probation to jail.

“I’d rather be dead than sit in prison,” he told the judge.

Under cross-examination by First Assistant District Attorney Paul Cavanaugh, Lawless didn’t have an answer for why he disseminated the pornographic images to two others with comments such as “Hope you’re not disappointed,” and “Hope you like it.”

When asked why he hadn’t sought counseling from trained professionals at the treatment center, Lawless said he didn’t feel he could trust them because of how they treated the children. He said they “hollered” at them.

Lawless’ psychotherapist, John Helmstadter of Alexander, testified that in the past Lawless kept his problems “bottled up” inside, but with counseling he had confronted them.

Helmstadter suggested Lawless be placed on probation and allowed to participate in community service. “I think this is a man well on his way to being salvaged,” he testified.

Lawless’ mother, Carmen Small of Robbinston, said her son never confided in her that he had been molested. Had she known, she said, she would have sought help for him. She said her son was a “24-year-old virgin” who did not abuse drugs or alcohol. “He was a victim. I wish he’d told me. He has owned up to it and sought help,” she said.

During closing arguments, Lawless’ attorney, Jeffrey Davidson of East Machias, noted his client was not a predatory individual.

“This is not a case of a person seeking out children and preying on them. This is not for profit. Three hundred images is not a lot of pictures in the Internet world,” he said.

Davidson also noted the images were not of youngsters engaged in sexual acts with adults, but were of naked youngsters sitting in various positions. “Tim did make victims of these children but not for self-gratification. He did it to deal with his own issue,” he said.

Cavanaugh disagreed. He said Lawless frequented child pornography sites and forwarded those images on to others. To say the children were just posing, Cavanaugh argued, minimized how serious the incident was.

During sentencing, the judge noted that Lawless had taken responsibility for what he had done, but believed the Calais man was in denial. He rejected Lawless’ argument that he had received no sexual gratification from the images.

“His statement lacks the ring of truth,” the judge said.

He also rejected Lawless’ argument that working with children with problems similar to his helped not only him, but also the children.

“That just doesn’t compute,” the justice said. “[And] his criticism that the staff abused children was not believable … and undermines his credibility.”

Although Lawless’ attorney asked for time before his client had to report to jail, the judge rejected that request. “The day is here, he needs to go,” Hunter said.

Lawless was placed in handcuffs and taken to the Washington County Jail.


Do you know what state this was in?

Looks like it is in Maine.  Found this link:

 Calais man charged in porn case
Article from:Bangor Daily News Bangor, ME Article date:May 12, 2007 Author: DIANA GRAETTINGER ; OF THE NEWS STAFF More results for: Calais Police Washington County Timothy Lawless | Copyright informationCopyright 2007 Bangor Daily News Bangor, ME. Provided by ProQuest LLC. (Hide copyright information) 

CALAIS - A 23-year-old local man was arrested Friday and charged with dissemination of sexually explicit material.

Bail for Timothy Lawless was set at $10,000 unsecured. Lawless was arrested around 2 p.m. Friday.

He is expected to appear in Washington County Superior Court in July.

Sgt. David Randall of the Calais Police Department said Friday that the Washington County Sheriff's Department and the Attorney General's Office assisted in the case.

More charges are possible against Lawless, Randall said.

If convicted, Lawless could be sentenced up to five years.

Randall declined to elaborate on the case except to say the Police Department had received an anonymous tip.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11822944.html


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2009, 01:08:14 PM
Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?

Good morning everyone!
Regarding the pic....Do you think there could be a bit of distortion with the computer pic? 

From the info posted his wife divorced him in 2007.  The photo of he and his wife, obviously had to be taken prior to that time. Who knows, it could have been taken 4 - 5 yrs prior.

The FBI photo showed that this individual was wanted for an act in Jan 2008, in Indiana.  People travel all over...  The computer pic is very close up, indicating to me features look larger than they are.

Well, Blink sent it on to the FBI for their tests.  Guess we will find out if it is indeed the same person. 

Just a quick note, on the "where filed" issue.. It does not mean that it had to have occuured in Indianna for it to be filed there.. It could mean an entire host of things, ie: where it was found on someone's computer, the address of the victim, etc.. Until he is caught, we won't know that. Also, it could be just the Agent assigned's office..
I don't know whether it could be him or not, but the FBI will be able to tell if it is something they need to run down.
Thanks for posting that in any event, this site gets an unbelievable amount of viewers daily- maybe blowing up this freaks mug will get him caught that way..
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?

Good morning everyone!
Regarding the pic....Do you think there could be a bit of distortion with the computer pic? 

From the info posted his wife divorced him in 2007.  The photo of he and his wife, obviously had to be taken prior to that time. Who knows, it could have been taken 4 - 5 yrs prior.

The FBI photo showed that this individual was wanted for an act in Jan 2008, in Indiana.  People travel all over...  The computer pic is very close up, indicating to me features look larger than they are.

Well, Blink sent it on to the FBI for their tests.  Guess we will find out if it is indeed the same person. 

Just a quick note, on the "where filed" issue.. It does not mean that it had to have occuured in Indianna for it to be filed there.. It could mean an entire host of things, ie: where it was found on someone's computer, the address of the victim, etc.. Until he is caught, we won't know that. Also, it could be just the Agent assigned's office..
I don't know whether it could be him or not, but the FBI will be able to tell if it is something they need to run down.
Thanks for posting that in any event, this site gets an unbelievable amount of viewers daily- maybe blowing up this freaks mug will get him caught that way..
B
That's a very good point, someone just might recognize this man, one just never knows.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 01:25:58 PM


Carmichael Baptist Church
2007 Bible Conference - Preachers

(http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/jpg%20images/Conference_Preachers2_copy.jpg)

(http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/jpg%20images/web_preachers.jpg)

(From Left to right)
Brother Jason Williams - Alisal Baptist Church, Salinas, CA
Pastor T. P. Crawford - Landmark Missionary Baptist Church, Hayward, CA
Pastor Michael Carling - Free Grace Baptist Church, Yuba City, CA
Brother Joey Jaco - Friendship Missionary Baptist Church, Sacramento, CA
Pastor James McDowell - Heritage Baptist Church, Elk Grove, CA
Elder Arthur Mellon - Clover Road Baptist Church, Tracy, CA
Pastor Chris Silvey - Friendship Missionary Baptist Church, Sacramento, CA
Pastor Royce Smith - Bethel Baptist Church, Choctaw, OK
Pastor William L. Brown, Carmichael Baptist Church, Carmichael, CA
Pastor Dewayne Harris - Salisal Baptist Church, Salinas, CA
Brother John Bunyun Crawford, Grants Pass, OR
Elder Wayne Camp - Central Baptist Church, Grenada, MS
Pastor Dennis Riddick, Twinbrook Hills Baptist Church, Hamilton, OH
Pastor Paul Little, Cool Baptist Church, Cool, CA
Pastor Gene Plaskett, Greenfield Baptist Church, Greenfield, CA
Pastor Frank McClanahan - Meadow Thorpe Baptist Church, Lexington, KY
Pastor Dean Robinson - Bethel Baptist Church, Lawton, OK
Pastor Lane Lawless, Clover Road Baptist Church, Tracy, CA
Pastor J. C. Settlemoir - New Testament Baptist Church, Brownsburg, IN
Pastor Bill Downing - Sovereign Grace Baptist Church, Morgan Hill, CA
Pastor Larry Banks - Fellowship Baptist Church, Winslow, AR
Pastor John Vondoloski - Liberty Baptist Church, Medford, OR
Pastor Don Akins, Moreno Valley Baptist Church, Moreno Valley, CA
     

2006 Bible Conference Pictures

(http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/jpg%20images/Lane_Lawless.JPG)

This is a collage so I couldn't get a seperate pic of Lane & Connie

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We do not endorse all the material of every link listed below. Some of the links are added for the sake of research material, many are of other Baptist churches of like faith and order. Not all Baptist churches are just alike and with those listed below you will find differences.

We are now adding a new set of links that point to some historical Baptist works that are now online for viewing. We have listed for your use over 150 volumes (links) of valuable works. If you know of any Baptist works that are presently published through the web we would love to view them and put a link if possible. See "Books Online" below as well as "Goggle Books Online." Don't miss some of the old Baptist periodicals listed in the left hand column. Most of these are in a pdf file format, are word searchable and downloadable. Have fun!

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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 01:37:44 PM
Thanks Izzy  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Southern Baptist Sex Offenders
http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on April 27, 2009, 01:51:53 PM
I just noticed that the Timothy Lawless that was arrested in 2007 (in Maine) was 23 years old at the time.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 01:55:38 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306

RED ALERT! MARY MARIA'S SISTER FACING PERSECUTION!
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090411/girl-in-suitcase/images/7cfc55ce-92c7-4696-857b-f6670077dec2.jpg)

Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306

RED ALERT! MARY MARIA'S SISTER FACING PERSECUTION!
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090411/girl-in-suitcase/images/7cfc55ce-92c7-4696-857b-f6670077dec2.jpg)

Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:

Wt????


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 27, 2009, 02:14:16 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306


Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


OMG.  What a deranged group of individuals.  Biblical justification.  Wow.  Just when you think you've heard it all.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Shell on April 27, 2009, 02:14:43 PM

Jeb is another nutcase running around. IMHO Shocking, isn't it  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 27, 2009, 02:18:56 PM
G'Mornin Monkeys!
 ::MonkeyDance::
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/Mystic_Wonders/Icons/1492176tduqjjhmov.gif)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306

RED ALERT! MARY MARIA'S SISTER FACING PERSECUTION!
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090411/girl-in-suitcase/images/7cfc55ce-92c7-4696-857b-f6670077dec2.jpg)

Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:

Wt????

That's what I said!!!!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 27, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306


Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


OMG.  What a deranged group of individuals.  Biblical justification.  Wow.  Just when you think you've heard it all.


(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/CharIHS/mad.gif) WT...???


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306

RED ALERT! MARY MARIA'S SISTER FACING PERSECUTION!
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090411/girl-in-suitcase/images/7cfc55ce-92c7-4696-857b-f6670077dec2.jpg)

Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:

Wt????

That's what I said!!!!

 ::MonkeyEek:: wth!!!!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: alagary on April 27, 2009, 02:25:22 PM
I don't want to keep stacking but you know what this goes to
 Them's some weird ass people  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 27, 2009, 02:30:11 PM
Great Post Izzy! ::MonkeyCool::

Monkeys,
This article has a lot of info., not all new but worth the read.

Snipped:
"According to public records, Huckaby lives with her grandfather, Clifford Lane Lawless, who is pastor of the church, which is just 500 yards from their home.

Her marital status was unclear Saturday.

"She spent an extraordinary amount of time" at the church, Sheneman said.

Police seized evidence from the church, but Sheneman declined to identify it. He said authorities had "significant details" on Huckaby's criminal record but would not discuss them.

According to public records, Huckaby was convicted of felony property theft in Los Angeles County in November 2006.

She was born Melissa Chantel Lawless in 1981 in Orange County, according to public records.

Federal court records show that Melissa Chantel Lawless of Tracy filed for bankruptcy protection in 2003. She listed $5,200 in assets, including $3,000 in jewelry. Her debts totaled $26,300, which included thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card expenses, according to the records.

Mary Jones of Livermore, Calif., who described herself as a longtime friend of the Lawless family, said she has known Huckaby since she was a little girl.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 27, 2009, 02:32:30 PM
Oops!
Here's the LINk for the above article on Melissa...
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2009/03_04/2009_04_11_LosAngelesTimes_SundaySchool.htm (http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2009/03_04/2009_04_11_LosAngelesTimes_SundaySchool.htm)
Need more coffee!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 02:37:46 PM
I used to live in Virginia... long time ago....

Anyway - In Virginia there are people up in the mountains that came over and fought in the civil war for the south. Ever wonder why there's no East Virginia?

These people are the Morris' and the Shifflett's.

There are only so many ways to spell Morris, but there are quite a few ways to spell Shifflett.

Shiflet
Shifflet
Shifflett
Shiflett

See, these people are all related, they just all changed the spellings around and kinda made their own clans, but they are all distantly related to the first people that came over as mercenaries for the south. They were promised some land and other goodies and I guess life wasn't so good in Ireland where they came from.

I think it's possibly the same thing with the spelling of Huckaby / Huckabee. They are related, just different spellings.

If you figure 25 years per generation - 1865 (roughly, for the Emancipation Proclamation) to 1920's for some of the Lawless / Huckabee / Huckaby clans - that's only 2 generations of minor name changing to get where you are today.

**I understand that Lawless could be a name change**


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2009, 02:38:47 PM
Great Post Izzy! ::MonkeyCool::

Monkeys,
This article has a lot of info., not all new but worth the read.

Snipped:
"According to public records, Huckaby lives with her grandfather, Clifford Lane Lawless, who is pastor of the church, which is just 500 yards from their home.

Her marital status was unclear Saturday.

"She spent an extraordinary amount of time" at the church, Sheneman said.

Police seized evidence from the church, but Sheneman declined to identify it. He said authorities had "significant details" on Huckaby's criminal record but would not discuss them.

According to public records, Huckaby was convicted of felony property theft in Los Angeles County in November 2006.

She was born Melissa Chantel Lawless in 1981 in Orange County, according to public records.

Federal court records show that Melissa Chantel Lawless of Tracy filed for bankruptcy protection in 2003. She listed $5,200 in assets, including $3,000 in jewelry. Her debts totaled $26,300, which included thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card expenses, according to the records.

Mary Jones of Livermore, Calif., who described herself as a longtime friend of the Lawless family, said she has known Huckaby since she was a little girl.

sister Mary perhaps?
WTF?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 02:41:22 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306


Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


OMG.  What a deranged group of individuals.  Biblical justification.  Wow.  Just when you think you've heard it all.

What the heck is Biblical justification? I seriously am asking, I was born and raised a Catholic, and I'm not grasping this. Justification for killing a kid?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 02:43:40 PM
I just wanted add that I also realize that Melissa is using her married name currently.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
What the heck was that "TWIN" business too? WTH??  ::MonkeyRoll:: Did she have another name as Mary Marie and is known under that pseudonym elsewhere?

I'll tellya if that lunatic that made that absurd post is remotely of the same mind set as Melissa Huckaby - The "PUBLIC OUTRAGE" makes total sense.

Good Lawd.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 02:53:51 PM
I don't want to keep stacking but you know what this goes to
 Them's some weird ass people  ::MonkeyConfused::

They are not only weird but very scary. I read a post about how to tell if your baby boy is gay. Well they suggest mouthing objects is a sign and a child/baby should have the item smacked out of their hand. Our friend who says MH was only following god word? Well he said a few minutes in afreezer will work! Another posts suggests shaking a baby if he is drooling, babiling, crying (????)  because that is a sign he is possed by the devil? WTH??? Is this site for real? Is it a joke type of site?  This cannot honestly be a real religious site, can it? Shocked!!! It is a spoof, right? These people should be reported!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 27, 2009, 02:54:37 PM
Did anyone check the background of...Jeb Thurmond?????


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 02:56:50 PM
Landover Baptist Church - Jeb Thurmond

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Wow - just WOW!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 02:58:28 PM
I don't want to keep stacking but you know what this goes to
 Them's some weird ass people  ::MonkeyConfused::

They are not only weird but very scary. I read a post about how to tell if your baby boy is gay. Well they suggest mouthing objects is a sign and a child/baby should have the item smacked out of their hand. Our friend who says MH was only following god word? Well he said a few minutes in afreezer will work! Another posts suggests shaking a baby if he is drooling, babiling, crying (????)  because that is a sign he is possed by the devil? WTH??? Is this site for real? Is it a joke type of site?  This cannot honestly be a real religious site, can it? Shocked!!! It is a spoof, right? These people should be reported!


yeah I forgot to tell you to read the forums  ::MonkeyConfused::  strange things posted!!!  They even have a Men's only forum....I won't mention the name of it lol!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 03:00:01 PM
Sister Mary Maria was tested by the Lord from birth when He had her born into a Hell-bound Catholic family. Her Pope-loving family were so addled by idolatry they named her after our Savior's incubator not once but twice!

When she reached adulthood, Mary Maria was so confused about her identity that she entered a cloistered nunnery and stayed there for several years, where she participated in unnatural and unholy abominations. One day, a priest, taking time from diddling a young altar boy, stopped by the convent and dropped a King James 1611 Bible by the furnace with the intent of burning it that evening along with some boys' stained undergarments he had collected that week. Mary Maria found this Bible and was prompted by God to open it up. That was the beginning of her salvation, and she shortly left the convent and the Papist "church."

Hitchhiking her way home, she was picked up by Deacon Wilkins of the Landover Baptist Church who ministered to her in the back seat of his Lincoln Town Car. He brought her to Freehold where she made her new home. With the help of Jesus and many hours of private devotionals in Pastor's study,  she soon started to prosper.

Mary Maria, inspired by the Holy Spirit, invented the Born-Again Baby Dolls that come with birth certificates and scripture to help young True Christian™ girls grow up to be Godly wives and mothers. The latest dolls come with nightgowns embroidered with: Thank you Jesus that my mommy didn't abort me, and are available in fine True Christian™ stores everywhere. Mary Maria no longer owns the company she founded though, as she transferred ownership over to the Godly husband she met at Landover, Mr. Joseph Whitford, a successful ex-sodomite graduate of Betty Bowers' B.A.S.H. ministries and the owner of a large chain of hair salons and barber shops.

Currently, Mrs. Whitford now cheerfully submits to her husband and wants only to make him and Jesus happy by bearing as many sons as God will bless them with.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/thestaff/ladies/marymaria.html

+++

Her pic is there. I just dont feel like copying it and loading it to a bucket. She LOOKS like Melissa Huckaby.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 27, 2009, 03:00:02 PM
I don't want to keep stacking but you know what this goes to
 Them's some weird ass people  ::MonkeyConfused::

They are not only weird but very scary. I read a post about how to tell if your baby boy is gay. Well they suggest mouthing objects is a sign and a child/baby should have the item smacked out of their hand. Our friend who says MH was only following god word? Well he said a few minutes in afreezer will work! Another posts suggests shaking a baby if he is drooling, babiling, crying (????)  because that is a sign he is possed by the devil? WTH??? Is this site for real? Is it a joke type of site?  This cannot honestly be a real religious site, can it? Shocked!!! It is a spoof, right? These people should be reported!

Yea,
You know what else???
They over 7,000 members at that forum!(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/CharIHS/wtg.gif)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on April 27, 2009, 03:02:03 PM
Landover Baptist Church - Jeb Thurmond

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Wow - just WOW!

That is just sick!!  Wow is right. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 03:04:11 PM
HUH??? WTH???  ::MonkeyEek::

Sister Mary Marie Bio.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/thestaff/ladies/marymaria.html

Sister Mary Maria was tested by the Lord from birth when He had her born into a Hell-bound Catholic family. Her Pope-loving family were so addled by idolatry they named her after our Savior's incubator not once but twice!

When she reached adulthood, Mary Maria was so confused about her identity that she entered a cloistered nunnery and stayed there for several years, where she participated in unnatural and unholy abominations. One day, a priest, taking time from diddling a young altar boy, stopped by the convent and dropped a King James 1611 Bible by the furnace with the intent of burning it that evening along with some boys' stained undergarments he had collected that week. Mary Maria found this Bible and was prompted by God to open it up. That was the beginning of her salvation, and she shortly left the convent and the Papist "church."

Hitchhiking her way home, she was picked up by Deacon Wilkins of the Landover Baptist Church who ministered to her in the back seat of his Lincoln Town Car. He brought her to Freehold where she made her new home. With the help of Jesus and many hours of private devotionals in Pastor's study,  she soon started to prosper.

Mary Maria, inspired by the Holy Spirit, invented the Born-Again Baby Dolls that come with birth certificates and scripture to help young True Christian™ girls grow up to be Godly wives and mothers. The latest dolls come with nightgowns embroidered with: Thank you Jesus that my mommy didn't abort me, and are available in fine True Christian™ stores everywhere. Mary Maria no longer owns the company she founded though, as she transferred ownership over to the Godly husband she met at Landover, Mr. Joseph Whitford, a successful ex-sodomite graduate of Betty Bowers' B.A.S.H. ministries and the owner of a large chain of hair salons and barber shops.

Currently, Mrs. Whitford now cheerfully submits to her husband and wants only to make him and Jesus happy by bearing as many sons as God will bless them with.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2009, 03:06:37 PM
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SITE IS A SPOOF. A SICK SPOOF, BUT A SPOOF. NO REAL CHURCH


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306

RED ALERT! MARY MARIA'S SISTER FACING PERSECUTION!
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090411/girl-in-suitcase/images/7cfc55ce-92c7-4696-857b-f6670077dec2.jpg)

Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:

Wt????

That's what I said!!!!

 ::MonkeyEek:: wth!!!!

The website is a spoof, fake.  Just a bunch of crazies posting there for shock value.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 03:10:01 PM
Some of these people when they die? well, I am sure God himself will ask the question, WTheck???  Honestly, this has to be a spoof site. People are honestly smarter then this, right? 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 03:11:55 PM
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SITE IS A SPOOF. A SICK SPOOF, BUT A SPOOF. NO REAL CHURCH
Oh thank god! I had a feeling but geez after everything that has happened, you just never know! Whew! I can now breath...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 03:13:29 PM
Oh dear G-d... someone tell me that's all a parody site and not real. Click the profiles of the women's association. You won't believe what you see.

It's all drag queens, lesbian bikers and the certifiable. Someone tell me that's all a joke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

And nothing against lesbian bikers, but this church is nuts.

Jeb Thurmond does not come-up in their data-base.

Someone tell me that's all a joke. It can't be real.

I think everyone should practice whatever religion they choose, but this is a little off the wall if you ask me.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 03:15:51 PM
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SITE IS A SPOOF. A SICK SPOOF, BUT A SPOOF. NO REAL CHURCH


Wow!!!   I thought it looked a little ..well a lot...weird!   Even if it is a spoof the people who are posting on there must be really twisted also!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2009, 03:17:42 PM
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SITE IS A SPOOF. A SICK SPOOF, BUT A SPOOF. NO REAL CHURCH


Wow!!!   I thought it looked a little ..well a lot...weird!   Even if it is a spoof the people who are posting on there must be really twisted also!

somehow I saw Connie fitting in well over there.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: higherhopes on April 27, 2009, 03:22:05 PM
Klaas, you have mail, its kinda important,    sorry for the interuption monkeys......


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on April 27, 2009, 03:22:11 PM
I don't want to keep stacking but you know what this goes to
 Them's some weird ass people  ::MonkeyConfused::

They are not only weird but very scary. I read a post about how to tell if your baby boy is gay. Well they suggest mouthing objects is a sign and a child/baby should have the item smacked out of their hand. Our friend who says MH was only following god word? Well he said a few minutes in afreezer will work! Another posts suggests shaking a baby if he is drooling, babiling, crying (????)  because that is a sign he is possed by the devil? WTH??? Is this site for real? Is it a joke type of site?  This cannot honestly be a real religious site, can it? Shocked!!! It is a spoof, right? These people should be reported!

I sure hope it is not a real site, but look at the number of posts on other threads.  Very weird stuff over there.  Makes me sick to think there are people like that.

By the way, I just noticed your new pic & just love it.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 03:25:36 PM
Guess it is a fake


Landover Baptist Church

The Landover Baptist Church is a fictional[1] Baptist church based in the fictional town of Freehold, Iowa. The Landover Baptist web site and its associated Landoverbaptist.net Forum are a parody of fundamentalist Christianity and the Religious Right in the United States.

The site was created by Chris Harper,[2] who obtained his Master's Degree in English Literature from George Mason University in 1993 after being expelled from Liberty University in 1989 for producing a satirical radio show which Liberty's administration found offensive.[3] The site is owned by a company called Americhrist, Ltd.

Click the link to read more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church

Other version
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Landover_Baptist_Church&direction=next&oldid=173387351


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 27, 2009, 03:26:46 PM
Anyone have some ideas for researchin' ? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on April 27, 2009, 03:28:40 PM
Thank goodness that all got cleared up.
Sure had my blood pressure rising.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 03:28:42 PM
I'm so happy to hear that this site is a spoof, because when I saw this, Custom Designed  Menstrual Shacks Exquisitely Crafted!, I just about feel out of my chair  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 03:30:36 PM
I'm so happy to hear that this site is a spoof, because when I saw this, Custom Designed  Menstrual Shacks Exquisitely Crafted!, I just about feel out of my chair  ::MonkeyEek::


HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Maven on April 27, 2009, 03:31:19 PM
sorry about the OT but I need to know how to get in touch with klass, and I see you are here in Sandra's thread.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 03:33:08 PM
norose....thanks for the laugh!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I have already spent too much time on here so I'm off to straighten up the house before my hubby gets home  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Hopefully the other links that I posted will be helpful to some of you in your research.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 03:34:44 PM
Thank goodness that all got cleared up.
Sure had my blood pressure rising.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yea I thought I was about to pop a blood vessel in my head! Honestly, I was going to report this site to the FBI, lol. Oh that would have been embarrassing!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 27, 2009, 03:41:07 PM
I don't want to keep stacking but you know what this goes to
 Them's some weird ass people  ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 27, 2009, 03:43:47 PM

The website is a spoof, fake.  Just a bunch of crazies posting there for shock value.

Seems to be werkin' for em, eh??  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: alagary on April 27, 2009, 03:46:44 PM
Does that mean I can't order some t-shirts ? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2009, 03:48:08 PM
Connie Lawless's brother:

Our Pastor

Elder Arthur DeWayne Harris was saved and baptized at the age of nine, and entered the ministry when he was 18 years of age. Ordained by the Douglas Street Missionary Baptist Church of Omak, Washington, he began his pastorate work in May, 1963.

He attended three years at Landmark Baptist College in San Jose, California; doing course studies in Theology, Church History, New Testament Greek, and Homiletics. Upon completion of all required courses, he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Religious Studies from Sacramento Baptist College and Seminary. Although he found classroom studies to be very helpful as well as rigorous, he accredits most of his Bible education and indoctrination to his father, Elder A.A. Harris, who went to be with the Lord in November, 1989.

Elder Harris has been pastoring the Alisal Baptist Church for over 31 years and is the Dean of the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. He also distributes monthly Sunday School Literature to various churches of like faith.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:U8yOXOVaC9wJ:www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/pastor.php+A+A+Harris+baptist&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on April 27, 2009, 03:50:24 PM
Does that mean I can't order some t-shirts ? ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, you can!  You can also order a clock of Jesus with the words "Jesus is watching you pooping!" 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2009, 03:57:16 PM
Connie Lawless's brother:

Our Pastor

Elder Arthur DeWayne Harris was saved and baptized at the age of nine, and entered the ministry when he was 18 years of age. Ordained by the Douglas Street Missionary Baptist Church of Omak, Washington, he began his pastorate work in May, 1963.

He attended three years at Landmark Baptist College in San Jose, California; doing course studies in Theology, Church History, New Testament Greek, and Homiletics. Upon completion of all required courses, he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Religious Studies from Sacramento Baptist College and Seminary. Although he found classroom studies to be very helpful as well as rigorous, he accredits most of his Bible education and indoctrination to his father, Elder A.A. Harris, who went to be with the Lord in November, 1989.

Elder Harris has been pastoring the Alisal Baptist Church for over 31 years and is the Dean of the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. He also distributes monthly Sunday School Literature to various churches of like faith.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:U8yOXOVaC9wJ:www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/pastor.php+A+A+Harris+baptist&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



Blue from me.. Isnt that mentioned as a college in that freak site?

Lone monkey, I think it was you who asked about ideas to research: I would definately research the licences and insurances, indoctrinations, etc, associated with the state of California and if these folks are compliant. Any filings for the church, churches in question.
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 27, 2009, 04:00:19 PM
Connie Lawless's brother:

Our Pastor

Elder Arthur DeWayne Harris was saved and baptized at the age of nine, and entered the ministry when he was 18 years of age. Ordained by the Douglas Street Missionary Baptist Church of Omak, Washington, he began his pastorate work in May, 1963.

He attended three years at Landmark Baptist College in San Jose, California; doing course studies in Theology, Church History, New Testament Greek, and Homiletics. Upon completion of all required courses, he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Religious Studies from Sacramento Baptist College and Seminary. Although he found classroom studies to be very helpful as well as rigorous, he accredits most of his Bible education and indoctrination to his father, Elder A.A. Harris, who went to be with the Lord in November, 1989.

Elder Harris has been pastoring the Alisal Baptist Church for over 31 years and is the Dean of the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. He also distributes monthly Sunday School Literature to various churches of like faith.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:U8yOXOVaC9wJ:www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/pastor.php+A+A+Harris+baptist&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



Blue from me.. Isnt that mentioned as a college in that freak site?

Lone monkey, I think it was you who asked about ideas to research: I would definately research the licences and insurances, indoctrinations, etc, associated with the state of California and if these folks are compliant. Any filings for the church, churches in question.
B
Okie-Doke Blink....
I'm on it and I'll Be BAAAACK! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on April 27, 2009, 04:07:05 PM
Does anyone else find these things weird? 

----------

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


----------


A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html  (http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html)


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html (http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html)


----------


Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/)
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2009, 04:35:07 PM
Does anyone else find these things weird? 

----------

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


----------


A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html  (http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html)


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html (http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html)


----------


Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/)
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   ::MonkeyEek::



Skype?  Sorry, need some humour, chasing down all these pastors is making my head spin.  They seem very interrelated...one could almost use the word as incestuously related?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 27, 2009, 04:39:25 PM
Great Post Izzy! ::MonkeyCool::

Monkeys,
This article has a lot of info., not all new but worth the read.

Snipped:
"According to public records, Huckaby lives with her grandfather, Clifford Lane Lawless, who is pastor of the church, which is just 500 yards from their home.

Her marital status was unclear Saturday.

"She spent an extraordinary amount of time" at the church, Sheneman said.

Police seized evidence from the church, but Sheneman declined to identify it. He said authorities had "significant details" on Huckaby's criminal record but would not discuss them.

According to public records, Huckaby was convicted of felony property theft in Los Angeles County in November 2006.

She was born Melissa Chantel Lawless in 1981 in Orange County, according to public records.

Federal court records show that Melissa Chantel Lawless of Tracy filed for bankruptcy protection in 2003. She listed $5,200 in assets, including $3,000 in jewelry. Her debts totaled $26,300, which included thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card expenses, according to the records.

Mary Jones of Livermore, Calif., who described herself as a longtime friend of the Lawless family, said she has known Huckaby since she was a little girl.

There are really 2 things I take away from this article.  First, Sheneman's comment about MH spending an extraordinary amount of time at the church, while in the same breath commenting that they have significant details about her criminal history tells us a lot--it certainly supports the porn ring theory.

Second, while I've thought a lot over the past few weeks about how Sandra's mother is doing, it never quite dawned on me how hard her brother and sisters, namely the 11 year old sister, are handling this, until I read this article.  I'm sure they were incredibly close being they were so close in age.  Admittedly, that simple sentence brought tears to my eyes.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2009, 04:48:35 PM
Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 27, 2009, 04:57:44 PM
Does anyone else find these things weird? 

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Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


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A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html  (http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html)


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html (http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html)


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Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/)
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   ::MonkeyEek::



Once the donations start rolling in, he can go do a ...out of town...trip, so he says, and pastor the other church until the donations keep rolling in.  These people have to live, and without jobs, guess the good hearted working people have been supporting their A$$es.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 27, 2009, 05:11:29 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306


Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


OMG.  What a deranged group of individuals.  Biblical justification.  Wow.  Just when you think you've heard it all.


(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/CharIHS/mad.gif) WT...???

Holy Mary Mother of God..that is the sickest post I have ever read ..what evil lurks in these people's hearts. 

How they can even consider themselves people of God when they write such trash! 

Their headline says it all..Unbelievers Unwelcome..most churches are hoping the unbelievers (usually phrased non-believers) will come in and sit a spell to be able to show them God's true acceptance and kindness.   

These people worship a God that has nothing to do with Christianity and more to do with ignorance.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Gypsy DD on April 27, 2009, 05:25:18 PM
Okay..I get it is a spoof..but truly..under present circumstances with this case..is that at all funny?  Why do they think it is funny to make fun of religion..I think the cast of characters in this crime are way ahead of them in that realm.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 05:53:37 PM
Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?

Yes that is him, he is also in other pics that I posted from that website


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 27, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
Does anyone else find these things weird? 

----------

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.






Sorry!  Pressed enter before I posted.  Here are some links for you.  I don't have time to check them, have to leave to pick up my son from school.

http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=Warner+Alliance+Church


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2009, 06:20:09 PM
Hey Guys-

Anyone interested working through the recent arrest of Timoth J Lawless and the connection to Melissa Huckaby, I started this thread. We are approaching 300 comments on this article and I think its a better idea to get lots of monkey eyes on the developments..


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4964.msg787374#msg787374


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2009, 06:40:25 PM
Blink here is what I gathered on the whole Famdangaly.  The DOB's will help with determinign who is father and who is son.  It also lists other possible alias, as they go between Mom's maiden and married names:

Lawless
Short
Tieken, and
Gomes

Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn


brother
Name: Gary D Lawless

Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless

Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken

Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken

Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married himcaifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken


Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for marilyn and manuel gomes








Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 27, 2009, 07:01:41 PM
Does Timothy Lawless have any children???


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: 4getUnot on April 27, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?

Did anyone notice the guy in the back in front of the window with the fat bottom lip??? Wonder who he is and does am I wrong or does he look like a shaved version of the perp in the video???


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 07:10:48 PM
Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?

Did anyone notice the guy in the back in front of the window with the fat bottom lip??? Wonder who he is and does am I wrong or does he look like a shaved version of the perp in the video???
He does  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 07:30:06 PM
Blink here is what I gathered on the whole Famdangaly.  The DOB's will help with determinign who is father and who is son.  It also lists other possible alias, as they go between Mom's maiden and married names:

Lawless
Short
Tieken, and
Gomes

Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn


brother
Name: Gary D Lawless

Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless

Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken

Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken

Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married himcaifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken


Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for marilyn and manuel gomes







My goodness I had to read this post 3 times! This case is officially over my head. I am a newby after all. I cannot keep track of all of this information. I am going to over there in the corner watching and learning from all of you smart people, maybe throw a comment out every now and then.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 07:34:09 PM
Does anyone else find these things weird? 

----------

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


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A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html  (http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html)


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html (http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html)


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Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/)
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   ::MonkeyEek::



Wyks that strikes me as odd too. Also, no one remembers him being at the church? None of the parishaners? Seems like at least one person would say, "oh yes I remember paster Lawless, he was....." But nothing! Makes me wonder if maybe he used another name or it was a cover for something else. My head hurts.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 07:36:12 PM
Tracygirl, don't feel bad, my head hurts also, I'm kind of lost on some of this also  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: theboyzmom on April 27, 2009, 07:46:33 PM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306


Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


OMG.  What a deranged group of individuals.  Biblical justification.  Wow.  Just when you think you've heard it all.


(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/CharIHS/mad.gif) WT...???

Holy Mary Mother of God..that is the sickest post I have ever read ..what evil lurks in these people's hearts. 

How they can even consider themselves people of God when they write such trash! 

Their headline says it all..Unbelievers Unwelcome..most churches are hoping the unbelievers (usually phrased non-believers) will come in and sit a spell to be able to show them God's true acceptance and kindness.   

These people worship a God that has nothing to do with Christianity and more to do with ignorance.

OMG - what else can I say?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
Guys this is really odd.  I did a search for the divorce of Melisa and John Huckaby and found it at:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

Type in case 05D000448 , or search by name John Huckaby.

It says the marriage was dissolved without children

Melissa started divorce proceedings 01/19/2005
Judgement granted 09/09/2005

Then in 2006 there is a notice regarding payment of support
2007 a modification

Then on 04/20/20089 John files a a modification and declaration notice

04/22/2009 Melissa files an affidavit
and that same day John files an objection.

Questions:  Why would the original divorce filing say there are no children?  Is John going after custody of the daughter?

Case Number  Title  Filing Date  Category  Type 
05D000448  HUCKABY V HUCKABY  01/19/2005  DISSO WITHOUT CHILDREN  DISSO WITHOUT CHILD 

Participants
Results 1 - 4 of 4000000000000<<Previous 1
No Name Type Assoc Start Date
1 MELISSA . HUCKABY PETITIONER  01/19/2005
2 JOHN . HUCKABY RESPONDENT  01/19/2005
3 COUNTY OF ORANGE INTERVENOR  08/22/2006
4 DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT SERVICES ATTORNEY FOR INTERVENOR 3 08/22/2006

Hearings
Results 1 - 5 of 5000000000000<<Previous 1
Date Time Description Judge Dept
05/18/2009 08:45:00 OSC RE MODIFICATION WALTER POSEY L62
05/18/2009 08:45:00 OSC RE CHILD SUPPORT,CUSTODY,V WALTER POSEY L62
08/13/2007 14:00:00 MOTION RE MODIFICATION BARRY MICHAELSON L52
05/07/2007 14:30:00 MOTION RE MODIFICATION BARRY MICHAELSON L52
09/09/2005 13:15:00 DEFAULT NANCY POLLARD L64

Register of Actions 

Results 1 - 10 of 300000000000<<Previous 1  2  3 Next>>
Docket Code Filing Date Filing Party
OPPOSITION 04/22/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
MOTION RE: JOINDER 04/22/2009 
DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
POINTS AND AUTHORITIES 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION-OTHER 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
OSC - MODIFICATION 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
MINUTE ORDER 08/13/2007 
MINUTES AND/OR ORDER OR JUDGMENT - CONT. 05/07/2007
NOTICE TO PRODUCE AND APPEAR 03/12/2007 COUNTY OF ORANGE
MOTION RE: MODIFICATION 03/12/2007 COUNTY OF ORANGE
NOTICE REGARDING PAYMENT OF SUPPORT 08/22/2006 COUNTY OF ORANGE
OTHER MISCELLANEOUS DOCUMENT 09/22/2005 
STIPULATION FOR TEMP JUDGE 09/09/2005 
NOTICE OF ENTRY OF JUDGMENT 09/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
INCOME & EXPENSE DECLARATION 09/09/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
ORDER-OTHER 09/09/2005 
JUDGMENT 09/09/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
MINUTE ORDER 09/09/2005
MEMORANDUM TO SET HEARING 07/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECL-SERVICE OF FINAL DISCL 06/24/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
REQUEST TO ENTER DEFAULT 06/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
PROOF OF SERVICE/SUMMONS 03/08/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
APPL-WAIVER COURT FEES/COSTS 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
CONFIDENTIAL ENVELOPE 01/19/2005 
ORDER - FEE WAIVER GRANTED 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECLARATION-UNIFORM CUSTODY 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
SUMMONS- 30 DAY 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
PETITION-DISSOLUTION 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY







Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on April 27, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Did they just say on JVM that the gag order has been "partially" lifted?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2009, 07:54:11 PM
I heard that as well.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: alagary on April 27, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
That female guest didn't need to say what she did . Sorry I won't repeat it .


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on April 27, 2009, 08:01:35 PM
I heard that as well.

Thank you.  I'm not good at all at multi-tasking!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 27, 2009, 08:02:20 PM
Tracygirl, don't feel bad, my head hurts also, I'm kind of lost on some of this also  ::MonkeyConfused::

Grama Monkey is joining Tracygirl & NRCG - 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 08:02:57 PM
That female guest didn't need to say what she did . Sorry I won't repeat it .
Hate to even guess what was said.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 08:03:42 PM
Tracygirl, don't feel bad, my head hurts also, I'm kind of lost on some of this also  ::MonkeyConfused::

Grama Monkey is joining Tracygirl & NRCG - 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 08:04:37 PM
Did they just say on JVM that the gag order has been "partially" lifted?
Wonder why a gag order would be partially lifted?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 27, 2009, 08:17:55 PM
Did they just say on JVM that the gag order has been "partially" lifted?
Wonder why a gag order would be partially lifted?

My take is they will release some information on the case, however, the autopsy report will not be released. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 27, 2009, 08:23:53 PM
Did they just say on JVM that the gag order has been "partially" lifted?
Wonder why a gag order would be partially lifted?

My take is they will release some information on the case, however, the autopsy report will not be released. 
Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2009, 08:44:44 PM
Guys this is really odd.  I did a search for the divorce of Melisa and John Huckaby and found it at:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

Type in case 05D000448 , or search by name John Huckaby.

It says the marriage was dissolved without children

Melissa started divorce proceedings 01/19/2005
Judgement granted 09/09/2005

Then in 2006 there is a notice regarding payment of support
2007 a modification

Then on 04/20/20089 John files a a modification and declaration notice

04/22/2009 Melissa files an affidavit
and that same day John files an objection.

Questions:  Why would the original divorce filing say there are no children?  Is John going after custody of the daughter?

Case Number  Title  Filing Date  Category  Type 
05D000448  HUCKABY V HUCKABY  01/19/2005  DISSO WITHOUT CHILDREN  DISSO WITHOUT CHILD 

Participants
Results 1 - 4 of 4000000000000<<Previous 1
No Name Type Assoc Start Date
1 MELISSA . HUCKABY PETITIONER  01/19/2005
2 JOHN . HUCKABY RESPONDENT  01/19/2005
3 COUNTY OF ORANGE INTERVENOR  08/22/2006
4 DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT SERVICES ATTORNEY FOR INTERVENOR 3 08/22/2006

Hearings
Results 1 - 5 of 5000000000000<<Previous 1
Date Time Description Judge Dept
05/18/2009 08:45:00 OSC RE MODIFICATION WALTER POSEY L62
05/18/2009 08:45:00 OSC RE CHILD SUPPORT,CUSTODY,V WALTER POSEY L62
08/13/2007 14:00:00 MOTION RE MODIFICATION BARRY MICHAELSON L52
05/07/2007 14:30:00 MOTION RE MODIFICATION BARRY MICHAELSON L52
09/09/2005 13:15:00 DEFAULT NANCY POLLARD L64

Register of Actions 

Results 1 - 10 of 300000000000<<Previous 1  2  3 Next>>
Docket Code Filing Date Filing Party
OPPOSITION 04/22/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
MOTION RE: JOINDER 04/22/2009 
DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
POINTS AND AUTHORITIES 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION-OTHER 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
OSC - MODIFICATION 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
MINUTE ORDER 08/13/2007 
MINUTES AND/OR ORDER OR JUDGMENT - CONT. 05/07/2007
NOTICE TO PRODUCE AND APPEAR 03/12/2007 COUNTY OF ORANGE
MOTION RE: MODIFICATION 03/12/2007 COUNTY OF ORANGE
NOTICE REGARDING PAYMENT OF SUPPORT 08/22/2006 COUNTY OF ORANGE
OTHER MISCELLANEOUS DOCUMENT 09/22/2005 
STIPULATION FOR TEMP JUDGE 09/09/2005 
NOTICE OF ENTRY OF JUDGMENT 09/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
INCOME & EXPENSE DECLARATION 09/09/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
ORDER-OTHER 09/09/2005 
JUDGMENT 09/09/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
MINUTE ORDER 09/09/2005
MEMORANDUM TO SET HEARING 07/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECL-SERVICE OF FINAL DISCL 06/24/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
REQUEST TO ENTER DEFAULT 06/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
PROOF OF SERVICE/SUMMONS 03/08/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
APPL-WAIVER COURT FEES/COSTS 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
CONFIDENTIAL ENVELOPE 01/19/2005 
ORDER - FEE WAIVER GRANTED 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECLARATION-UNIFORM CUSTODY 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
SUMMONS- 30 DAY 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
PETITION-DISSOLUTION 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY







Wasn't there something about him not knowing she was pregnant with his child when they divorced?  I remember something like that.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 08:56:24 PM
Tracygirl, don't feel bad, my head hurts also, I'm kind of lost on some of this also  ::MonkeyConfused::

Grama Monkey is joining Tracygirl & NRCG - 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You gals want to join me over in my corner and play a nice game of gin rummy?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2009, 08:57:39 PM
Yes I think I remember that.  Thank you for nudging my brain!  The new filings are interesting as well.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2009, 08:58:44 PM
Tracygirl, don't feel bad, my head hurts also, I'm kind of lost on some of this also  ::MonkeyConfused::

Grama Monkey is joining Tracygirl & NRCG - 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You gals want to join me over in my corner and play a nice game of gin rummy?


I love your avi Tracygirl.  Can I bid 4 hearts?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 27, 2009, 09:22:14 PM
I heard that as well.

I haven't heard anything official.  The only thing I can find is from JVM's site.  I'm a little skeptical.  I recall the judge saying she'd hold a hearing to address the gag order if anyone, including the media, requested. And I haven't seen where a hearing was requested or where the judge actually heard any argument from anyone on the issue.  So, I'm not sure it's accurate.  I also saw where there was some question as to whether the case would be moved to LA with, again, no confirmation.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 10:05:44 PM
I heard that as well.

I haven't heard anything official.  The only thing I can find is from JVM's site.  I'm a little skeptical.  I recall the judge saying she'd hold a hearing to address the gag order if anyone, including the media, requested. And I haven't seen where a hearing was requested or where the judge actually heard any argument from anyone on the issue.  So, I'm not sure it's accurate.  I also saw where there was some question as to whether the case would be moved to LA with, again, no confirmation.

I think they could hold this case on Mars and it still won't matter. It will be a waist of money to have a change of venue in this one, imho course.
Northern rose, Thanks, CBB made it for me, I love her little face!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 27, 2009, 10:07:41 PM
I heard that as well.

I haven't heard anything official.  The only thing I can find is from JVM's site.  I'm a little skeptical.  I recall the judge saying she'd hold a hearing to address the gag order if anyone, including the media, requested. And I haven't seen where a hearing was requested or where the judge actually heard any argument from anyone on the issue.  So, I'm not sure it's accurate.  I also saw where there was some question as to whether the case would be moved to LA with, again, no confirmation.

I think they could hold this case on Mars and it still won't matter. It will be a waist of money to have a change of venue in this one, imho course.
Northern rose, Thanks, CBB made it for me, I love her little face!

LOL- you do have some good one-liners!  I agree with you on the change of venue. Doesn't much matter.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tams on April 27, 2009, 10:26:45 PM
Tracygirl, don't feel bad, my head hurts also, I'm kind of lost on some of this also  ::MonkeyConfused::

Grama Monkey is joining Tracygirl & NRCG - 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You gals want to join me over in my corner and play a nice game of gin rummy?


Yes, Please! How about if I bring some fresh watermelon lemonade (spiked, of course!)? Be right over . . . darn, I don't get off work for another 2 hours! Rats.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2009, 10:35:14 PM
I heard that as well.

I haven't heard anything official.  The only thing I can find is from JVM's site.  I'm a little skeptical.  I recall the judge saying she'd hold a hearing to address the gag order if anyone, including the media, requested. And I haven't seen where a hearing was requested or where the judge actually heard any argument from anyone on the issue.  So, I'm not sure it's accurate.  I also saw where there was some question as to whether the case would be moved to LA with, again, no confirmation.

I think they could hold this case on Mars and it still won't matter. It will be a waist of money to have a change of venue in this one, imho course.
Northern rose, Thanks, CBB made it for me, I love her little face!

LOL- you do have some good one-liners!  I agree with you on the change of venue. Doesn't much matter.

My one liners will make you want to issue a gag order in about another week!

Tams, Watermelon Lemonade? Wow I have never had that but it sounds yummy! Of course spiked!



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: akmom on April 28, 2009, 12:32:57 AM
Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306

RED ALERT! MARY MARIA'S SISTER FACING PERSECUTION!
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090411/girl-in-suitcase/images/7cfc55ce-92c7-4696-857b-f6670077dec2.jpg)

Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


I haven't been on much in the last few days and don't post too much in this thread, but by all that is holy, I cannot believe what I am reading.  I am so sickened. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: akmom on April 28, 2009, 12:41:15 AM
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SITE IS A SPOOF. A SICK SPOOF, BUT A SPOOF. NO REAL CHURCH
Oh thank god! I had a feeling but geez after everything that has happened, you just never know! Whew! I can now breath...

Okay, spoof site.  BUT, what the heck is funny about it.  Ugh, sick.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 02:00:35 AM
Good Evening Monkeys ::MonkeyRoll::
It's kind of late (long day) but I wanted to check i.  Boy oh boy have you Monkeys been BUSY!  Looking forward to reading more closely ALL of your work!

Still working on Alisal Baptist...

Alisal Baptist

Snipped:
http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/missions.php (http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/missions.php)

Missions

MISSIONARY TO PAPUA, NEW GUINEA
Missionary:    Elder Frank James
Sponsoring Church:    Olmstead Baptist Church
Contact Address:    2412 Egret Dr.
Clarksville, TN 37042
Contact Phone:    (931) 542-0544 or (931) 801-8187
Email:    fandcjames@runbox.com
Contact Phone:    011-61-2-46-26-8809
MISSIONARY TO PERU
Missionary:    Elder Rodney Spears
Sponsoring Church:    Baptist Temple
Contact Phone:    (937) 288-2325
Email:    spearsrodney@msn.com
MISSIONARY TO THE PHILIPPINES
Missionary:    Elder Brent Spears
Sponsoring Church:    Bryan Station Baptist Church
Contact Address:    Blk. 29 Lot 12 Area "S"
Maharlika St., Queens Row Subd.,
Molino, Bacoor, Cavite
Email:    misionarybks@pacific.net.ph


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http://www.thecalifornian.com/article/20090408/NEWS01/904080301 (http://www.thecalifornian.com/article/20090408/NEWS01/904080301)

Lawless said he lived in Salinas for about a year while receiving his theological education from the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. Lawless said he also lived in Livermore and made the one-and-a-half hour commute to Salinas when he taught and preached at the institute.

Pastor Arthur Harris of the Alisal Baptist Church said the institute is still around but hasn't had any students or staff for a couple of years.

Harris, now the dean of the institute, described the institute as more of a Bible school as opposed to a liberal arts department. Harris confirmed Lawless received a bachelor's degree in religious studies at the institute.

More in the mornin'
    Loner
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 28, 2009, 07:05:18 AM
I have a stupid question. WTH does the sign say that your dancing banana is holding, lol.

Nut - I'm not the  poster in question, , but the sign says "noob".  As in a new poster.  AKA newb, noobie, newbie.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 28, 2009, 08:59:17 AM
This was on KRON's website, and may be the source of the speculation regarding the gag order and the venue change.  Note it predated the April 24th arraignment.  Also, note that the DA's office did ask the court to clarify its gag order during that hearing, and the court responded by reading it into the record and inviting motions if anyone had a problem with it:

STOCKTON (KRON) -- Legal experts say there's a good chance Melissa Huckaby will once again put off entering a plea to murder, kidnapping, and rape charges in connection with the death of eight-year old Sandra Cantu.

Huckaby is in court for more legal proceedings in the case.  Analysts say the San Joaquin County public defender could ask for more evidence from prosecutors instead of entering a plea.  The D.A's office reportedly is considering asking Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus to lift a gag order imposed earlier this week. {EDITORIAL-According to the minute order from the court, that didn't happen at the hearing, and I'm not aware of any such motions having been filed, which I'm sure would have generated media coverage}

There's also widespread speculation defense attorneys could ask for a change of venue in the case saying it will be impossible for Huckaby to get a fair trial in San Joaquin county or the Bay Area.  They may push to move the case to Southern California.  {EDITORIAL- Based on the same order, that didn't happen either, and again, no such motions have been filed AFAIK}

Huckaby remains jailed without bail in connection with Sandra Cantu's death.  The child's body was found inside a suitcase in an irrigation pond about two miles from the mobile home park where both the victim and the alleged killer lived.

KRON 4 has exclusive video from outside the Clover Lane Baptist Church where Tracy Police served a third search warrant Thursday.  Huckaby was a Sunday School teacher at the church where her grandfather is the pastor. 

Stay tuned to KRON 4 and KRON4.com for comprehensive coverage of the Sandra Cantu case.
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1178/reftab/36/t/Huckaby-Could-Delay-Plea-at-Today-s-Hearing/Default.aspx

Edit to add the link you provided.  Thanks!
I've added a general link to the KRON website:  http://www.kron.com/


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: alagary on April 28, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
That female guest didn't need to say what she did . Sorry I won't repeat it .
Sorry about quoting myself but I figured out a way to describe what she said without offending . She started listing reasons (from her own mind ) what the autopsy might have found . I was too mad about it last night to think of a way to put it . The good news is that the other guests sort of told her to shut up .


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 28, 2009, 10:47:06 AM
That female guest didn't need to say what she did . Sorry I won't repeat it .
Sorry about quoting myself but I figured out a way to describe what she said without offending . She started listing reasons (from her own mind ) what the autopsy might have found . I was too mad about it last night to think of a way to put it . The good news is that the other guests sort of told her to shut up .
Thank-you


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 28, 2009, 10:51:56 AM
That female guest didn't need to say what she did . Sorry I won't repeat it .
Sorry about quoting myself but I figured out a way to describe what she said without offending . She started listing reasons (from her own mind ) what the autopsy might have found . I was too mad about it last night to think of a way to put it . The good news is that the other guests sort of told her to shut up .

I TRULY HATE IT when people like that make such speculative remarks that have no basis in fact.  They are calculated to inflame and impassion without regard to how hurtful they may be to those viewing the program.  That's why I don't watch shows like that.  They editorialize rather than sticking to the facts as we know them simply to make the story "more interesting."  We can all think up speculative things of "what the autopsy might have found."  But here are the FACTS as we currently know them:

1.  Sandra was found fully clothed
2.  Upon examination, her body showed no visible signs of trauma
3.  Autopsy revealed signs of "genital trauma" (which would not have been visible by examination alone)

That's really it as I can recall. 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 28, 2009, 10:55:59 AM
Klaas and others, here's the link to the KRON article I posted earlier:

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1178/reftab/36/t/Huckaby-Could-Delay-Plea-at-Today-s-Hearing/Default.aspx

Thank you.    :thumleft:   I've added it to your  post. 
MuffyBee


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 28, 2009, 12:07:27 PM
     Connie L. Lawless   2317 votes 11.6%

    * Party: Republican
    * Occupation: Care Giver

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 28, 2009, 12:18:26 PM
     Connie L. Lawless   2317 votes 11.6%

    * Party: Republican
    * Occupation: Care Giver

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::
Someone posted about this a couple days ago, she was running for some kind of office. I'm not sure if the care giver is because they had foster children, which I would like to hear more about.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on April 28, 2009, 12:27:28 PM
     Connie L. Lawless   2317 votes 11.6%

    * Party: Republican
    * Occupation: Care Giver

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::
Someone posted about this a couple days ago, she was running for some kind of office. I'm not sure if the care giver is because they had foster children, which I would like to hear more about.

I haven't been able to find any info on that.  By the way....why is she using Lane as her middle name?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 12:54:59 PM
Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?

Mornin' MOnkeys   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Who's ready for coffee?  I know I need it!  Had a LONG day yesterday!
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/Snobunny303/coffee.jpg)

AWESOME EYES NorthernR!!! ::MonkeyDance::
I absolutely think that is him.
He has quite the honker....sorry.  But it's true. ::MonkeyTongue::
It's actually also helpful for distinguishing purposes!

...still catching up!...you BUSY Monkeys!   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 01:00:06 PM
     Connie L. Lawless   2317 votes 11.6%

    * Party: Republican
    * Occupation: Care Giver

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::
Someone posted about this a couple days ago, she was running for some kind of office. I'm not sure if the care giver is because they had foster children, which I would like to hear more about.

I haven't been able to find any info on that.  By the way....why is she using Lane as her middle name?

Mornin'
Here's a little more on that quote.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/11/BANH1713V5.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/11/BANH1713V5.DTL&tsp=1)

Over the past week, police searched Clover Road Baptist Church, on West Clover Road about a quarter-mile from the park, as well as a shed on the property. Investigators also questioned its pastor, Lane Lawless, who is Huckaby's grandfather, and seized a phone and computer belonging to Lawless and his wife, Connie.

Connie Lawless has said that they welcomed the police scrutiny and that investigators were probably interested in them because Sandra played with their 5-year-old great-granddaughter. Connie Lawless was elected to San Joaquin Valley's Republican Central Committee in 2006 and lost a re-election bid two years later, according to the county registrar of voters.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 28, 2009, 01:09:13 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 01:18:15 PM
I've been giving your recent posts thought and have wondered the same thing.  Almost ALL defendants enter a No Guilty plea at this early stage of the case.

Are there negotiations for a possible plea with NO Trial and sealed evidence?

These continuances and MH's past psychological history make me wonder if MH is *talking* behind bars...Either about herself OR anyone/thing related to this case.  I wonder if she is cooperating with FBI and LE...and I wonder if she has been approached with an idea like:  Either Confess OR Give us the names of others involvement.....
Both in Sandra's death and possible child porn and we will send you to a prison/hospital where you will be relatively safe from what the women in the GP would do to you.

It's just so staggering to see HOW much money can be made in child porn.  And when I see things like a church but few church members, a school with no staff....it makes me very curious!
  Loner


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 28, 2009, 01:48:48 PM
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BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 01:57:17 PM
Thanks for the article Tracy

Here's something I will throw out to you Monkeys...
Do we have any names of the so called Tracy60???
I would really like to know who is on that list and if ANY of those people have ANY connection the Lawless family.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 02:17:08 PM
FBI facts about Intenet Child Pornography...

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http://www.fbi.gov/publications/innocent.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/publications/innocent.htm)

                   Innocent Images Statistical Accomplishments

Online child pornography/child sexual exploitation investigations, which are worked under the FBI's Innocent Images National Initiative, accounted for 39 percent of all investigations worked under the FBI's Cyber Division in fiscal year 2007.
Innocent Images grew exponentially between fiscal years 1996 and 2007 with a:

    *
      2062 percent increase in Cases Opened (113 to 2443)
    *
      1003 percent increase in Informations & Indictments (99 to 1092)
    *
      2501 percent increase in Arrests, Locates & Summons (68 to 1769)
    *
      1404 percent increase in Convictions & Pretrial Diversions (68 to 1023)

Between fiscal years 1996-2007, the Innocent Images National Initiative has recorded the following statistical accomplishments:

Number of Cases Opened: 20,134
Number of Informations & Indictments: 6,844
Number of Arrests, Locates & Summons: 9,469
Number of Convictions & Pretrial Diversions: 6,863

Online Child Pornography/Child Sexual Exploitation Investigations

While investigating the disappearance of a juvenile in May 1993, FBI special agents and Prince George’s County, Maryland, police detectives identified two suspects who had sexually exploited numerous juveniles over a 25-year period. Investigation into these activities determined that adults were routinely utilizing computers to transmit sexually explicit images to minors and in some instances to lure minors into engaging in illicit sexual activity. Further investigation and discussions with experts, both within the FBI and in the private sector, revealed that the utilization of computer telecommunications was rapidly becoming one of the most prevalent techniques by which some sex offenders shared pornographic images of minors and identified and recruited children into sexually illicit relationships. In 1995, based on information developed during this investigation, the Innocent Images National Initiative was started to address the illicit activities conducted by users of commercial and private online services and the Internet.

The most common crimes investigated under the IINI are in violation of Title 18 United States Code (USC):

§ 1462. Importation or Transportation of Obscene Matters
§ 1465. Transportation of Obscene Matters for Sale or Distribution
§ 1466. Engaging in the Business of Selling or Transferring Obscene Matter
§ 1467. Criminal Forfeiture
§ 1470. Transfer of Obscene Material to Minors
§ 2241(a)(b)(c). Aggravated Sexual Abuse
§ 2251(a)(b)(c). Sexual Exploitation of Children
§ 2251A(a)(b). Selling or Buying of Children
§ 2252. Certain Activities Relating to Material Involving the Sexual Exploitation of Minors
§ 2252A. Certain Activities Relating to Material Constituting or Containing Child Pornography
§ 2253. Criminal Forfeiture
§ 2254. Civil Forfeiture
§ 2257. Record Keeping Requirements
§ 2260(a)(b). Production of Sexually Explicit Depictions of a Minor for Importation into the US
§ 2421. Transportation Generally
§ 2422. Coercion and Enticement
§ 2423(a). Transportation of Minors with Intent to Engage in Criminal Sexual Activity
§ 2423(b). Interstate or Foreign Travel with Intent to Engage in a Sexual Act with a Juvenile
§ 2425. Use of Interstate Facilities to Transmit Information about a Minor
§ 13032. Reporting of Child Pornography by Electronic Communication Service Providers


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 28, 2009, 02:17:22 PM
I've been giving your recent posts thought and have wondered the same thing.  Almost ALL defendants enter a No Guilty plea at this early stage of the case.

Are there negotiations for a possible plea with NO Trial and sealed evidence?

These continuances and MH's past psychological history make me wonder if MH is *talking* behind bars...Either about herself OR anyone/thing related to this case.  I wonder if she is cooperating with FBI and LE...and I wonder if she has been approached with an idea like:  Either Confess OR Give us the names of others involvement.....
Both in Sandra's death and possible child porn and we will send you to a prison/hospital where you will be relatively safe from what the women in the GP would do to you.

It's just so staggering to see HOW much money can be made in child porn.  And when I see things like a church but few church members, a school with no staff....it makes me very curious!
  Loner

If I were a betting man, I'd bet my money on answering your question "Yes" but with this caveat:  I don't think for one minute they'd let MH off with a hospital stay.  I'd be more willing to bet that a deal could be made where the prosection would drop the charges that make MH eligible for the death penalty, grant her immunity from prosection on any child porn charges in exchange for her cooperation, and as her sentence?  She'd get to spend the rest of her life in prison where she can contemplate what she's done in a 4x7 cell for 23 hours out the day for the next 60-70 years.

By the way, I believe MH already confessed, and I think her confession is contained in the tapes the prosecution turned over to Behar.  Remember, before the gag order was entered, two facts came to light:  (1) MH admitted Sandra's died "by accident;" and (2) she admitted to authoring the "cantu, suitcase, water" note.  Both are very damning.  I agree that she would have already entered a "Not guilty" plea had she not made some sort of admission. 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 28, 2009, 02:20:37 PM
Thanks for the article Tracy

Here's something I will throw out to you Monkeys...
Do we have any names of the so called Tracy60???
I would really like to know who is on that list and if ANY of those people have ANY connection the Lawless family.

 James Spencer Hagelston, 41 This is the only name associated with the child porn. He was arrested in Jan or Feb, this is when we first heard of the "Tracy 60"


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 28, 2009, 02:24:23 PM
Question, what is the best and least expensive site to research people? Is there one preferred over another?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 02:26:47 PM
Thanks for the article Tracy

Here's something I will throw out to you Monkeys...
Do we have any names of the so called Tracy60???
I would really like to know who is on that list and if ANY of those people have ANY connection the Lawless family.

 James Spencer Hagelston, 41 This is the only name associated with the child porn. He was arrested in Jan or Feb, this is when we first heard of the "Tracy 60"

Awesome.
Do you have any idea where that was reported? I did a little search and could only come up with the info from the Protect website.
http://www.protect.org/Where-are-the-Tracy-60.html (http://www.protect.org/Where-are-the-Tracy-60.html)
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/ss-tracy60.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 02:32:32 PM
Question, what is the best and least expensive site to research people? Is there one preferred over another?

Here' a few... ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.criminalsearches.com/
http://www.anywho.com/
http://www.blackbookonline.info/
http://dockets.justia.com/
http://www.familywatchdog.us/
http://www.melissadata.com/lookups/index.htm
http://www.stevemorse.org/birthday/privateeye.html
http://www.cvgadget.com/


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on April 28, 2009, 02:44:13 PM
In looking for the Tracy 60, I came across a list of 80 registered sex offenders in the area:

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=CityList&City2=TRACY&SB=0&PageNo=1 (http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=CityList&City2=TRACY&SB=0&PageNo=1)



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 28, 2009, 02:46:18 PM
Thanks for the article Tracy

Here's something I will throw out to you Monkeys...
Do we have any names of the so called Tracy60???
I would really like to know who is on that list and if ANY of those people have ANY connection the Lawless family.

 James Spencer Hagelston, 41 This is the only name associated with the child porn. He was arrested in Jan or Feb, this is when we first heard of the "Tracy 60"

Awesome.
Do you have any idea where that was reported? I did a little search and could only come up with the info from the Protect website.
http://www.protect.org/Where-are-the-Tracy-60.html (http://www.protect.org/Where-are-the-Tracy-60.html)
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/ss-tracy60.jpg)

BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on April 28, 2009, 03:10:49 PM

A couple of paragraphs snipped from the article at the link that follows:

Research shows that a large percentage of the Tracy 60 will have local child victims. They will be parents, teachers, coaches, neighbors, even convicted sex offenders. Anyone who thinks these criminals are simply "looking at pictures" has his head deep in the sand while a human rights tragedy unfolds all around him.

Now Tracy has the opportunity to fire a shot that will be heard around the world. If they continue on with their investigation, tracking down every child pornography trafficker they have evidence of, they will surely save other Tracy children. They will prove the connection between child pornography crimes and child sexual assault in the most dramatic way possible, just when the entire nation is watching. And that will raise the stakes for communities who refuse to take similar action.

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html (http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on April 28, 2009, 03:18:16 PM
Interesting breakdown of sex offenders state by state at the following link. 

Then click on the tab at the top "find offenders" to see who is in your own areas. 

http://familywatchdog.us/offendercountbystate.asp (http://familywatchdog.us/offendercountbystate.asp)




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tams on April 28, 2009, 05:14:08 PM

A couple of paragraphs snipped from the article at the link that follows:

Research shows that a large percentage of the Tracy 60 will have local child victims. They will be parents, teachers, coaches, neighbors, even convicted sex offenders. Anyone who thinks these criminals are simply "looking at pictures" has his head deep in the sand while a human rights tragedy unfolds all around him.

Now Tracy has the opportunity to fire a shot that will be heard around the world. If they continue on with their investigation, tracking down every child pornography trafficker they have evidence of, they will surely save other Tracy children. They will prove the connection between child pornography crimes and child sexual assault in the most dramatic way possible, just when the entire nation is watching. And that will raise the stakes for communities who refuse to take similar action.

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html (http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html)


Thank you so much for posting that, Wyks. (. . . and, Hello, by the way!) I feel that article truly sums up what we are all trying to make happen by being here & discussing/researching this; SOMEBODY needs to stand up and do whatever they can to put an end to this travesty that has been allowed to stay buried for too long. It's disheartening to read some of the posts over on Blink ridiculing us for being 'armchair detectives' - but I feel certain that all of us here are indeed part of something much larger - a grassroots organization for change. As the article stated - it would indeed be something to cheer for if we as a community could assist in leading the nation towards putting our foot down and demanding accountability for crimes against our children.

Carry on, noble monkeys!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 28, 2009, 07:16:31 PM

A couple of paragraphs snipped from the article at the link that follows:

Research shows that a large percentage of the Tracy 60 will have local child victims. They will be parents, teachers, coaches, neighbors, even convicted sex offenders. Anyone who thinks these criminals are simply "looking at pictures" has his head deep in the sand while a human rights tragedy unfolds all around him.

Now Tracy has the opportunity to fire a shot that will be heard around the world. If they continue on with their investigation, tracking down every child pornography trafficker they have evidence of, they will surely save other Tracy children. They will prove the connection between child pornography crimes and child sexual assault in the most dramatic way possible, just when the entire nation is watching. And that will raise the stakes for communities who refuse to take similar action.

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html (http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html)


Thank you so much for posting that, Wyks. (. . . and, Hello, by the way!) I feel that article truly sums up what we are all trying to make happen by being here & discussing/researching this; SOMEBODY needs to stand up and do whatever they can to put an end to this travesty that has been allowed to stay buried for too long. It's disheartening to read some of the posts over on Blink ridiculing us for being 'armchair detectives' - but I feel certain that all of us here are indeed part of something much larger - a grassroots organization for change. As the article stated - it would indeed be something to cheer for if we as a community could assist in leading the nation towards putting our foot down and demanding accountability for crimes against our children.

Carry on, noble monkeys!

Tams I look at it this way. If, god forbid, something else was to happen, which side do I want to be on, the side trying to help and maybe stop this or the side not willing to do anything but criticize? I think we all have chosen the right side.
 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 28, 2009, 07:53:38 PM

BLOCKED WEBSITE




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 28, 2009, 08:59:31 PM
Thank-you Tracygirl, that case is so horrible, how can that boy ever have a normal life?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Deenie on April 28, 2009, 09:13:44 PM
Tracygirl

I still have to go through your Posts ...  I wanted to say First I don't know what keeps you from Running ......... :2ukli: away with your kid/kids strapped under your arms .. with everything that has happened in your community in the last 18 mos ...
2nd " I love your Monkey" Avatar .. its  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

K  :smt049


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Deenie on April 28, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Thank-you Tracygirl, that case is so horrible, how can that boy ever have a normal life?
No Rose you remember this story .. it happened right before Caylee was found. I do recall it was Dec 08 that this boy escaped. I can't fathom treating a pet the way this " young boy" was treated ... it escapes my mind that anyone could treat anyone the way they treated him.
I think if you see their faces it will jog your memory - Monsters that they are.
http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/12/03/kelly-layne-lau-michael-schumacher-live-the-dream/

Poor kid will never be Mentally Safe .. sigh.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 28, 2009, 09:42:27 PM
Thank-you Tracygirl, that case is so horrible, how can that boy ever have a normal life?

I don't know No Rose, it seems impossible. I know he is in protective custody so I am hoping he gets intensive therapy. This boy has been through a lot, he deserves for the rest of his life to be easy going..

Deenie, Trust me, I would love to leave but right now it is not an option. I just keep my children close by and never leave them alone. It is hard because I feel I don't have total control and that scares me.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 10:28:38 PM

A couple of paragraphs snipped from the article at the link that follows:

Research shows that a large percentage of the Tracy 60 will have local child victims. They will be parents, teachers, coaches, neighbors, even convicted sex offenders. Anyone who thinks these criminals are simply "looking at pictures" has his head deep in the sand while a human rights tragedy unfolds all around him.

Now Tracy has the opportunity to fire a shot that will be heard around the world. If they continue on with their investigation, tracking down every child pornography trafficker they have evidence of, they will surely save other Tracy children. They will prove the connection between child pornography crimes and child sexual assault in the most dramatic way possible, just when the entire nation is watching. And that will raise the stakes for communities who refuse to take similar action.

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html (http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html)


Thank you so much for posting that, Wyks. (. . . and, Hello, by the way!) I feel that article truly sums up what we are all trying to make happen by being here & discussing/researching this; SOMEBODY needs to stand up and do whatever they can to put an end to this travesty that has been allowed to stay buried for too long. It's disheartening to read some of the posts over on Blink ridiculing us for being 'armchair detectives' - but I feel certain that all of us here are indeed part of something much larger - a grassroots organization for change. As the article stated - it would indeed be something to cheer for if we as a community could assist in leading the nation towards putting our foot down and demanding accountability for crimes against our children.

Carry on, noble monkeys!

What ROCKING posts Wyks & Tams! ::MonkeyDance::
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc180/rendie_reloco/funny-monkeys-b.gif)

Just got a bigger note book...lol...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 28, 2009, 10:59:23 PM

A couple of paragraphs snipped from the article at the link that follows:

Research shows that a large percentage of the Tracy 60 will have local child victims. They will be parents, teachers, coaches, neighbors, even convicted sex offenders. Anyone who thinks these criminals are simply "looking at pictures" has his head deep in the sand while a human rights tragedy unfolds all around him.

Now Tracy has the opportunity to fire a shot that will be heard around the world. If they continue on with their investigation, tracking down every child pornography trafficker they have evidence of, they will surely save other Tracy children. They will prove the connection between child pornography crimes and child sexual assault in the most dramatic way possible, just when the entire nation is watching. And that will raise the stakes for communities who refuse to take similar action.

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html (http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html)


Thank you so much for posting that, Wyks. (. . . and, Hello, by the way!) I feel that article truly sums up what we are all trying to make happen by being here & discussing/researching this; SOMEBODY needs to stand up and do whatever they can to put an end to this travesty that has been allowed to stay buried for too long. It's disheartening to read some of the posts over on Blink ridiculing us for being 'armchair detectives' - but I feel certain that all of us here are indeed part of something much larger - a grassroots organization for change. As the article stated - it would indeed be something to cheer for if we as a community could assist in leading the nation towards putting our foot down and demanding accountability for crimes against our children.

Carry on, noble monkeys!

Well said, Tams.  You caught the exact reason why I joined this site and have spent countless hours over the last couple weeks hunting, searching, reading, investigating, studying, debating, analyzing, . . . you name it.  When this story first broke, I thought to myself, "Good Lord, not another missing child case.  When is this going to end?"  But then that surveillance video was released---that damn surveillance video changed something in me.  I've been practicing law for over 15 years.  During that time I've seen some of the worst of the worst things imaginable, mostly on the civil side. I won't go into the details, but nothing ever hit me harder in my heart than that damn surveillance video.  To this day, there's a part of me that wishes I would have never seen it because it still haunts me.  And it kills me inside knowing that those were the last happy moments of that child's life.  But there's another part of me that is glad I did--it's the part that now motivates me to want to be part of the solution to something that has been seemingly ignored for far too long.  Or at least to FEEL as if what I am doing MAY somehow, someday be part of the solution. 

We can be like others and stick our heads in the sand.  We can be like those who simply choose to continue debating and speculating about what happened, where it happened, how it happened, blah blah.  We can be like those who say "Wow, how unfortunate.  I hope nothing like that ever happens to me."  Or we can do something constructive and be part of a community of people that rise to the occasion and collectively scream "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH--WE DEMAND PROTECTION FOR OUR KIDS!!!!!!!" and take ACTION.  That's my choice. 

So call me an armchair detective if you want.  Ridicule me all you want for spending what little free time I have hunting and researching, etc. etc.  But the fact is, doing this at least gives us an OPPORTUNITY to contribute toward a solution--an OPPORTUNITY to help save ONE CHILD from being abused--an OPPORTUNITY to help identify ONE CHILD MOLESTER and bring him/her to justice.  For me, that's enough of an incentive, as the option is to sit back, do nothing, and say "Good Lord, not another missing child case. When is this going to end?" when the next news story breaks. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 11:19:35 PM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!
This little face...this sweet & precious little girl!

I know what you mean about the video...
Sandra skipped that day into our hearts, and there she shall stay.
And we shall not forget.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/sc1-7.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 28, 2009, 11:44:16 PM
Snipped:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=5699454 (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=5699454)
Sealing of People's Opposition to the Disinterment of Sandra


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 12:04:25 AM
It's past midnight here on the East Coast. Time to catch some ZZZs.  Goodnite friends, and KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Remember why we're here:


JUSTICE FOR SANDRA!



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 12:20:03 AM
Hmmmmm....
Take a gander at this Monkeys,
Looks like another church involved sex offender in Tracy!
I'm trying to research the Tracy60 and started on the RSO page Wyks gave the link for.

Snipped:
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/1869408345560.jpg)

John Gaarde
288(a)     LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

1820 ALEGRE DR
TRACY, 95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code    95376
Date of Birth:    09-19-1943
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'4"
Weight:    225
Eye Color:    BROWN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

http://picasaweb.google.com/tracyvcbc/StaffMinistryLeaders#5263513516400129426 (http://picasaweb.google.com/tracyvcbc/StaffMinistryLeaders#5263513516400129426)
John Gaarde

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/aaa_vcbc.jpg)

                    Staff & Ministry Leaders
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/gaarde_john.jpg)
                            John Gaarde
                                (Sound)




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 12:24:56 AM
Hmmmmm....
Take a gander at this Monkeys,
Looks like another church involved sex offender in Tracy!
I'm trying to research the Tracy60 and started on the RSO page Wyks gave the link for.

Snipped:
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/1869408345560.jpg)

John Gaarde
288(a)     LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

1820 ALEGRE DR
TRACY, 95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code    95376
Date of Birth:    09-19-1943
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'4"
Weight:    225
Eye Color:    BROWN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

http://picasaweb.google.com/tracyvcbc/StaffMinistryLeaders#5263513516400129426 (http://picasaweb.google.com/tracyvcbc/StaffMinistryLeaders#5263513516400129426)
John Gaarde

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/aaa_vcbc.jpg)

                    Staff & Ministry Leaders
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/gaarde_john.jpg)
                            John Gaarde
                                (Sound)




And I just ran a quick historical person locator on this dirt bag and guess what . . . like some of the others we've been looking into. . . his social security number is flagged "SSN linked to multiple people".


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 12:27:45 AM
G'Night Jess!
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/CharIHS/sign0136.gif)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 12:35:44 AM
It's getting late for me too, Monkeys!
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss342/chrystel2529/Butterflies19.gif)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 12:42:17 AM
HUGHES      First Name: JOHN     Middle Name:  C
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/1869408327224.jpg)
 
288a(b)(2)     ORAL COPULATION WITH PERSON UNDER 16 YEARS
Specific address not subject to disclosure

   
Description    Offenses    Scars/Marks/Tattoos    Known Aliases
Last Known Address:    
95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code    95376
Date of Birth:    02-15-1956
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'3"
Weight:    195
Eye Color:    GREEN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 12:43:14 AM
Well,
We have a lot to check into tomorrow, Monkeys!
Jess You rock!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JazzTune on April 29, 2009, 03:48:34 AM
Catching up again.  Thanks JessStar for answering my questions about the potential effects of the confiscated Lawless computer in this case.  Really appreciate all the explanation and the further research you've added.  Your comments help everyone to try to figure out what might be happening on the "other side" with LE. 

I've been wondering if Melissa might be talking and implicating others in order to cut a deal with LE.  Glad you brought it up.  I agree too about the video.  When I saw Sandra skipping and swinging her arms, it literally took my breath.  To see those last carefree moments of her short life.  Devastating.  Please keep sharing your thoughts about what can likely be inferred as the case continues to develop.

Thanks to everyone else here too for all the research.  The slimy, sleazy predators, especially those that pass as "clergy" make my stomach turn.  They abuse our vulnerable, trusting children because, simply put - they CAN.   So little to stop them.  So often I've wished that children had a built in "alarm" that would go off instantly (like a loud car alarm) when someone dared to touch or hurt them. 

But no, they are so helpless.  Very little protection for them.  And with that in mind, I felt my heart race when I read that Melissa's gr/mother, Connie, took in foster kids.  OMG, MORE kids for Melissa, Lane, and Connie, and the "church" group!  Surely the state social services are checking out those children now.

I spoke to my aunt about this.  Though retired now, she was responsible for overseeing and training all the social workers in our state during her lengthy career.  She continues to have a very strong concern for the well-being of children.  (Excuse my "bragging," but she is still quoted in our newspapers.)

I asked her opinion about the possibility of finding a (public) list of names of the foster children that were in the Lawless home.   As upset about them having foster children as I was, she still answered a flat out NO.  She said in our state it's a violation of state law (privacy concerns), and she assumes it's the same in California as well.  She said the state social services should be aware of the situation now, (with the notoriety of the case.)

This keeps getting darker and darker, and sadly enough, I fear there's a whole lot more to come.  May there be justice for that precious child, Sandra...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 08:33:59 AM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!

Sorry about that. . .  I've never been much of a crusader for any specific cause or on any particular issue.  But this woke me up in a big way.  I have to do something now.

As the saying goes--there is strength in numbers (which is why I'm so proud to be part of this group).  Therefore, I propose that, over the course of the next couple of days, I will prepare a comprehensive letter to our government officials demanding action.  I'll post it for comments if you'd like so that it can contain everyone's input.  Then I'm going to ask each and every one of you to print the letter, sign the letter, and send the letter to your officials--local, state, and federal.  I'm also going to ask that you circulate it to your friends, relatives, colleages, coworkers, neighbors, what have you, for them to sign, seal and deliver.  Perhaps you can post it at the local post office, or send it to your local media outlets.  My thinking is that sending the same letter to as many recipients as possible will show organization, solidarity, and strength in numbers, which HAS to catch their attention, making it more difficult for them to ignore us.  To steal a quote from Wyks' signature:  ""Never doubt that a small group of concerned citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."  ~ Margaret Mead "

Thoughts?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Already been done? 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 08:41:07 AM
HUGHES      First Name: JOHN     Middle Name:  C
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/1869408327224.jpg)
 
288a(b)(2)     ORAL COPULATION WITH PERSON UNDER 16 YEARS
Specific address not subject to disclosure

   
Description    Offenses    Scars/Marks/Tattoos    Known Aliases
Last Known Address:    
95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code    95376
Date of Birth:    02-15-1956
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'3"
Weight:    195
Eye Color:    GREEN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

You can run . . . but you can't hide:

Historical Person Locator
This data is for informational purposes only.   
 
 
Finder Information
Name:   HUGHES, JOHN CHARLES
Address:   E YOSEMITE DR
TRACY, CA
   
Date of Birth:   02/1956
 
 
Finder Information
Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   E YOSEMITE DR
TRACY, CA 95376
SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY
 
Finder Information
Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   YOSEMITE DR
TRACY, CA

Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   3592 HILLSBOROUGH DR
CONCORD, CA 94520-1561
CONTRA COSTA COUNTY


Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   192 DELANO AVE
SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94112-2522
SAN FRANCISCO COUNTY
Date of Birth:   1956
 
Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   359 YOSEMITE DR
TRACY, CA 95376
   
Reported Date:   07/1987
 
Prior Address
Address:   3160 S FRANCISCO WAY
ANTIOCH, CA 94509
Reported Date:   10/1986


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 29, 2009, 08:48:33 AM
BOO Monkey is celebrating a Birthday today.  Please visit the MONKEY LOUNGE....and wish Boo a Happy Birthday.. Thanks,


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 08:54:28 AM
Well,
We have a lot to check into tomorrow, Monkeys!
Jess You rock!

Thanks LM. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: flossy on April 29, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
Thanks for letting us know about BM's birthday, Grama!

Can someone do a side-by-side of that Gaarde guy's pic and "Pastor" Lawless' pic?  At the very least, I think they look like brothers.  Wow.

What is it with all of this alias crap and so-called church leaders????

SHEESH!!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 29, 2009, 11:03:29 AM
Thanks for letting us know about BM's birthday, Grama!

Can someone do a side-by-side of that Gaarde guy's pic and "Pastor" Lawless' pic?  At the very least, I think they look like brothers.  Wow.

What is it with all of this alias crap and so-called church leaders????

SHEESH!!
Thanks for all the hard work people are doing, I also think that this Gaarde guy looks a lot like Lawless  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on April 29, 2009, 11:13:22 AM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!
This little face...this sweet & precious little girl!

I know what you mean about the video...
Sandra skipped that day into our hearts, and there she shall stay.
And we shall not forget.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/sc1-7.jpg)

it chokes me up every time I see it as well!
good post Jess....

My 6 yr old grand daughter was skipping to her mom's car yesterday when she picked her up from my house, and she pushed her hair back like Sandra did in that video and my mind went there to Sandra! I grabbed my grand daughter for another quick hug and kiss! she must think that grammy is nuts....I look into her face every day and tell her that I love her and that I am glad that we have her....I always want her to know that...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on April 29, 2009, 11:17:38 AM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!

Sorry about that. . .  I've never been much of a crusader for any specific cause or on any particular issue.  But this woke me up in a big way.  I have to do something now.

As the saying goes--there is strength in numbers (which is why I'm so proud to be part of this group).  Therefore, I propose that, over the course of the next couple of days, I will prepare a comprehensive letter to our government officials demanding action.  I'll post it for comments if you'd like so that it can contain everyone's input.  Then I'm going to ask each and every one of you to print the letter, sign the letter, and send the letter to your officials--local, state, and federal.  I'm also going to ask that you circulate it to your friends, relatives, colleages, coworkers, neighbors, what have you, for them to sign, seal and deliver.  Perhaps you can post it at the local post office, or send it to your local media outlets.  My thinking is that sending the same letter to as many recipients as possible will show organization, solidarity, and strength in numbers, which HAS to catch their attention, making it more difficult for them to ignore us.  To steal a quote from Wyks' signature:  ""Never doubt that a small group of concerned citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."  ~ Margaret Mead "

Thoughts?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Already been done? 

Jess...let's do it! that would be great ....good idea! count me in!
even if we sent the letter to all our contacts via email and they sent it on to their contacts and so on and so on! power in numbers....Mark K. thinks that we can do something, like the monkeys did to get the Anthony's canceled as key note speakers on that cruise ship..he has faith in us, so we can do it!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on April 29, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!

Sorry about that. . .  I've never been much of a crusader for any specific cause or on any particular issue.  But this woke me up in a big way.  I have to do something now.

As the saying goes--there is strength in numbers (which is why I'm so proud to be part of this group).  Therefore, I propose that, over the course of the next couple of days, I will prepare a comprehensive letter to our government officials demanding action.  I'll post it for comments if you'd like so that it can contain everyone's input.  Then I'm going to ask each and every one of you to print the letter, sign the letter, and send the letter to your officials--local, state, and federal.  I'm also going to ask that you circulate it to your friends, relatives, colleages, coworkers, neighbors, what have you, for them to sign, seal and deliver.  Perhaps you can post it at the local post office, or send it to your local media outlets.  My thinking is that sending the same letter to as many recipients as possible will show organization, solidarity, and strength in numbers, which HAS to catch their attention, making it more difficult for them to ignore us.  To steal a quote from Wyks' signature:  ""Never doubt that a small group of concerned citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."  ~ Margaret Mead "

Thoughts?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Already been done? 

Great idea!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 11:24:07 AM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!

Sorry about that. . .  I've never been much of a crusader for any specific cause or on any particular issue.  But this woke me up in a big way.  I have to do something now.

As the saying goes--there is strength in numbers (which is why I'm so proud to be part of this group).  Therefore, I propose that, over the course of the next couple of days, I will prepare a comprehensive letter to our government officials demanding action.  I'll post it for comments if you'd like so that it can contain everyone's input.  Then I'm going to ask each and every one of you to print the letter, sign the letter, and send the letter to your officials--local, state, and federal.  I'm also going to ask that you circulate it to your friends, relatives, colleages, coworkers, neighbors, what have you, for them to sign, seal and deliver.  Perhaps you can post it at the local post office, or send it to your local media outlets.  My thinking is that sending the same letter to as many recipients as possible will show organization, solidarity, and strength in numbers, which HAS to catch their attention, making it more difficult for them to ignore us.  To steal a quote from Wyks' signature:  ""Never doubt that a small group of concerned citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."  ~ Margaret Mead "

Thoughts?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Already been done? 

Jess...let's do it! that would be great ....good idea! count me in!
even if we sent the letter to all our contacts via email and they sent it on to their contacts and so on and so on! power in numbers....Mark K. thinks that we can do something, like the monkeys did to get the Anthony's canceled as key note speakers on that cruise ship..he has faith in us, so we can do it!  

Then I'll make it a priority.  Look for a "draft" in the coming days.  The last line of your post has given me immeasurable hope and faith in this community.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on April 29, 2009, 11:26:18 AM
Isn't Lane and Connie's daughter Joni (Melissa's aunt), married to a John Hughes?   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: flossy on April 29, 2009, 11:38:22 AM
Isn't Lane and Connie's daughter Joni (Melissa's aunt), married to a John Hughes?   ::MonkeyEek::



That's definitely ringing a bell.  I'm almost positive that Joni's last name is Hughes, at least. Not sure who she's married to.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on April 29, 2009, 11:44:31 AM
Isn't Lane and Connie's daughter Joni (Melissa's aunt), married to a John Hughes?   ::MonkeyEek::



not him, her husband is John P.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 29, 2009, 12:02:43 PM
Great idea JessStar  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: 4getUnot on April 29, 2009, 12:11:04 PM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!

Sorry about that. . .  I've never been much of a crusader for any specific cause or on any particular issue.  But this woke me up in a big way.  I have to do something now.

As the saying goes--there is strength in numbers (which is why I'm so proud to be part of this group).  Therefore, I propose that, over the course of the next couple of days, I will prepare a comprehensive letter to our government officials demanding action.  I'll post it for comments if you'd like so that it can contain everyone's input.  Then I'm going to ask each and every one of you to print the letter, sign the letter, and send the letter to your officials--local, state, and federal.  I'm also going to ask that you circulate it to your friends, relatives, colleages, coworkers, neighbors, what have you, for them to sign, seal and deliver.  Perhaps you can post it at the local post office, or send it to your local media outlets.  My thinking is that sending the same letter to as many recipients as possible will show organization, solidarity, and strength in numbers, which HAS to catch their attention, making it more difficult for them to ignore us.  To steal a quote from Wyks' signature:  ""Never doubt that a small group of concerned citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."  ~ Margaret Mead "

Thoughts?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Already been done? 

This is a GREAT idea.  I'm with you on this!!!!!!!!!!  Monkeys rock and I love this group.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 01:17:53 PM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!

Sorry about that. . .  I've never been much of a crusader for any specific cause or on any particular issue.  But this woke me up in a big way.  I have to do something now.

As the saying goes--there is strength in numbers (which is why I'm so proud to be part of this group).  Therefore, I propose that, over the course of the next couple of days, I will prepare a comprehensive letter to our government officials demanding action.  I'll post it for comments if you'd like so that it can contain everyone's input.  Then I'm going to ask each and every one of you to print the letter, sign the letter, and send the letter to your officials--local, state, and federal.  I'm also going to ask that you circulate it to your friends, relatives, colleages, coworkers, neighbors, what have you, for them to sign, seal and deliver.  Perhaps you can post it at the local post office, or send it to your local media outlets.  My thinking is that sending the same letter to as many recipients as possible will show organization, solidarity, and strength in numbers, which HAS to catch their attention, making it more difficult for them to ignore us.  To steal a quote from Wyks' signature:  ""Never doubt that a small group of concerned citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."  ~ Margaret Mead "

Thoughts?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Already been done? 

Great idea!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Mornin' MOnks! ::MonkeyDance::
I'm looking forward to *digging in* today!
You ALL are AWESOME!!!!!

Connie and Lane's daughter Joni, is Joni Hughes.
Not sure if that guy has a connection, but I am checking for all things hinky on the list of Tracy RSO's Wyks gave us.

Snipped:
http://www.kcbs.com/pages/4183653.php?

Huckaby's aunt, Joni Hughes, said prayer is especially important right now. "The only reason why our family is making it through this at all is because of our faith in God, because of His mercy and His grace to us," Hughes said.

Jess
Fantastic Idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i254/SomaTragic/monkeys.gif)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 01:47:34 PM
That jeep full of screamin monkeys made me laugh.  I needed that--thanks!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 01:59:19 PM
Well ::MonkeyLaugh::
I figure we all need to laugh a bit while working on this case because of the nature of the crime/s!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 29, 2009, 02:57:34 PM
Well ::MonkeyLaugh::
I figure we all need to laugh a bit while working on this case because of the nature of the crime/s!

Count me as one of the screaming monkeys!

Hey I want to share something with you. Today it occurred to me one of the many people arrested in my town in the past 6 months was found in Sacramento. So I go and try to look up the article on the Tracy press, as I have done many times prior, but it is not there. Nor is it anywhere on the net. The details are,
A couple (parents of a 4 year old little girl), at the request of an unnamed friend, had a man move into their home. This man was a said transient but the I guess the friend assured the couple he was just down on his luck. So the couple comes to find out the man had been molesting the little four year old so they kick him out, (why they didn't shoot him first I have no idea) they kick him out, call the police and report it. After an examination of the girl it was discovered she had been raped (!) Police located this man at an apartment in West Sacramento.
Now, I do not recall the mans name but wanted to offer it up as a possible connection to TL and/or MH. I find it very odd I can find everything about any other crime, but this one has jumped off the radar.

Also, I found the article regarding a man in the trash area. Here is a link. Not sure if this story somehow got confused as being the story we heard regarding the trailer park. I don't know any more details then what is said.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Molestation%20Arrest%20=&page_label=results_content&id=2188615-Molestation+Arrest&widget=push&open=&


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 03:07:31 PM
Well ::MonkeyLaugh::
I figure we all need to laugh a bit while working on this case because of the nature of the crime/s!

Count me as one of the screaming monkeys!

Hey I want to share something with you. Today it occurred to me one of the many people arrested in my town in the past 6 months was found in Sacramento. So I go and try to look up the article on the Tracy press, as I have done many times prior, but it is not there. Nor is it anywhere on the net. The details are,
A couple (parents of a 4 year old little girl), at the request of an unnamed friend, had a man move into their home. This man was a said transient but the I guess the friend assured the couple he was just down on his luck. So the couple comes to find out the man had been molesting the little four year old so they kick him out, (why they didn't shoot him first I have no idea) they kick him out, call the police and report it. After an examination of the girl it was discovered she had been raped (!) Police located this man at an apartment in West Sacramento.
Now, I do not recall the mans name but wanted to offer it up as a possible connection to TL and/or MH. I find it very odd I can find everything about any other crime, but this one has jumped off the radar.

Also, I found the article regarding a man in the trash area. Here is a link. Not sure if this story somehow got confused as being the story we heard regarding the trailer park. I don't know any more details then what is said.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Molestation%20Arrest%20=&page_label=results_content&id=2188615-Molestation+Arrest&widget=push&open=&


You know Tracy,
I am noticing bits and pieces of things disappearing off the web too!
I am starting to develop some theories in this case but have much more things to look into.  But I feel like this is the tip of the ice berg  as the other Monkeys have pointed out.

Looking forward to a tidbit from Blink! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 29, 2009, 03:33:16 PM
Well ::MonkeyLaugh::
I figure we all need to laugh a bit while working on this case because of the nature of the crime/s!

Count me as one of the screaming monkeys!

Hey I want to share something with you. Today it occurred to me one of the many people arrested in my town in the past 6 months was found in Sacramento. So I go and try to look up the article on the Tracy press, as I have done many times prior, but it is not there. Nor is it anywhere on the net. The details are,
A couple (parents of a 4 year old little girl), at the request of an unnamed friend, had a man move into their home. This man was a said transient but the I guess the friend assured the couple he was just down on his luck. So the couple comes to find out the man had been molesting the little four year old so they kick him out, (why they didn't shoot him first I have no idea) they kick him out, call the police and report it. After an examination of the girl it was discovered she had been raped (!) Police located this man at an apartment in West Sacramento.
Now, I do not recall the mans name but wanted to offer it up as a possible connection to TL and/or MH. I find it very odd I can find everything about any other crime, but this one has jumped off the radar.

Also, I found the article regarding a man in the trash area. Here is a link. Not sure if this story somehow got confused as being the story we heard regarding the trailer park. I don't know any more details then what is said.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Molestation%20Arrest%20=&page_label=results_content&id=2188615-Molestation+Arrest&widget=push&open=&


You know Tracy,
I am noticing bits and pieces of things disappearing off the web too!
I am starting to develop some theories in this case but have much more things to look into.  But I feel like this is the tip of the ice berg  as the other Monkeys have pointed out.

Looking forward to a tidbit from Blink! ::MonkeyCool::
Check this out. On the tracy press did a search for rape molestation, seems like there would be a lot of articles int he past 6 months? Well no! Nothing in between 15 days ago then it jumps to 6 months.

http://tracypress.com/pages/results_content?page_label=full_story&widget=search_content&string=+molestation%2C+rape&open=&

Did a search for Softball coach child porn? Nothing but a blank screen. Strange because I just posted that information, what yesterday? That is how I got the guys name.

http://tracypress.com/pages/results_content?page_label=results_content&widget=search_content&string=softball+coach+child+porn&open=&

The San Joaquin Herald is doing the same sort of thing. I looked the 4 year old girls story on KCRA and nothing. can the fbi do this?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 04:05:06 PM
Well ::MonkeyLaugh::
I figure we all need to laugh a bit while working on this case because of the nature of the crime/s!

Count me as one of the screaming monkeys!

Hey I want to share something with you. Today it occurred to me one of the many people arrested in my town in the past 6 months was found in Sacramento. So I go and try to look up the article on the Tracy press, as I have done many times prior, but it is not there. Nor is it anywhere on the net. The details are,
A couple (parents of a 4 year old little girl), at the request of an unnamed friend, had a man move into their home. This man was a said transient but the I guess the friend assured the couple he was just down on his luck. So the couple comes to find out the man had been molesting the little four year old so they kick him out, (why they didn't shoot him first I have no idea) they kick him out, call the police and report it. After an examination of the girl it was discovered she had been raped (!) Police located this man at an apartment in West Sacramento.
Now, I do not recall the mans name but wanted to offer it up as a possible connection to TL and/or MH. I find it very odd I can find everything about any other crime, but this one has jumped off the radar.

Also, I found the article regarding a man in the trash area. Here is a link. Not sure if this story somehow got confused as being the story we heard regarding the trailer park. I don't know any more details then what is said.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Molestation%20Arrest%20=&page_label=results_content&id=2188615-Molestation+Arrest&widget=push&open=&


You know Tracy,
I am noticing bits and pieces of things disappearing off the web too!
I am starting to develop some theories in this case but have much more things to look into.  But I feel like this is the tip of the ice berg  as the other Monkeys have pointed out.

Looking forward to a tidbit from Blink! ::MonkeyCool::
Check this out. On the tracy press did a search for rape molestation, seems like there would be a lot of articles int he past 6 months? Well no! Nothing in between 15 days ago then it jumps to 6 months.

http://tracypress.com/pages/results_content?page_label=full_story&widget=search_content&string=+molestation%2C+rape&open=&

Did a search for Softball coach child porn? Nothing but a blank screen. Strange because I just posted that information, what yesterday? That is how I got the guys name.

http://tracypress.com/pages/results_content?page_label=results_content&widget=search_content&string=softball+coach+child+porn&open=&

The San Joaquin Herald is doing the same sort of thing. I looked the 4 year old girls story on KCRA and nothing. can the fbi do this?

Here's a report on the softball coach:

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: VinceVixen on April 29, 2009, 04:06:09 PM
Dr. Phil is talking about this case... I don't know if it is a repeat or if you guys already knew... But I'm watching it right now... He is talking to Sandra's mother right now...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 04:08:52 PM
Good Lord.  Then I come across this disturbing story.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=58083


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 29, 2009, 04:18:31 PM
Good Lord.  Then I come across this disturbing story.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=58083

I don't think the "good lord" had anything to do with this story! I think the one in opposite direction is responsible! What the bleep !


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 29, 2009, 04:18:39 PM
That's weird about Tracy Press, though.  And I also find that it's becoming increasingly difficult to find articles I knew I've seen in the past.  I looked for a few minutes on that other case you talked about, and I can't find anything.  Hmmm, very odd.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 29, 2009, 04:48:50 PM
Well ::MonkeyLaugh::
I figure we all need to laugh a bit while working on this case because of the nature of the crime/s!

Count me as one of the screaming monkeys!

Hey I want to share something with you. Today it occurred to me one of the many people arrested in my town in the past 6 months was found in Sacramento. So I go and try to look up the article on the Tracy press, as I have done many times prior, but it is not there. Nor is it anywhere on the net. The details are,
A couple (parents of a 4 year old little girl), at the request of an unnamed friend, had a man move into their home. This man was a said transient but the I guess the friend assured the couple he was just down on his luck. So the couple comes to find out the man had been molesting the little four year old so they kick him out, (why they didn't shoot him first I have no idea) they kick him out, call the police and report it. After an examination of the girl it was discovered she had been raped (!) Police located this man at an apartment in West Sacramento.
Now, I do not recall the mans name but wanted to offer it up as a possible connection to TL and/or MH. I find it very odd I can find everything about any other crime, but this one has jumped off the radar.

Also, I found the article regarding a man in the trash area. Here is a link. Not sure if this story somehow got confused as being the story we heard regarding the trailer park. I don't know any more details then what is said.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Molestation%20Arrest%20=&page_label=results_content&id=2188615-Molestation+Arrest&widget=push&open=&


WOW...can you search the local police dept. for arresting information???  Should be something on there, if he was arrested and charged.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 29, 2009, 04:52:50 PM
I don't know his name, I can't recall. I think this happened in February. STrange, I cannot find anything on this case anywhere! you know I may have posted it on here. I'll check my posts.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 29, 2009, 05:18:24 PM
I don't know his name, I can't recall. I think this happened in February. STrange, I cannot find anything on this case anywhere! you know I may have posted it on here. I'll check my posts.

I found this site...shows arrests etc.

http://207.104.50.87/whosincustody/RecentBookings.aspx


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 29, 2009, 05:41:38 PM
Here is what I have found re:  Newpaper articles and links etc.
Some papers only have the current news and then if you go back a week or a month later, that article is archived and no longer there. With my hometown paper,
they want people to subscribe and they do not keep these articles around forever.
If there is something that you want, make yourself a folder and copy and paste the entire thing. Title it with the source and the date for future reference.
It might have to do with server space also. Our library has all newpapers on microfiche, but then I have to go there and not wear sleep pants. lol
Or, I could wear the sleep pants and run into someone I know.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: momoftwins on April 29, 2009, 06:26:54 PM
Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!
This little face...this sweet & precious little girl!

I know what you mean about the video...
Sandra skipped that day into our hearts, and there she shall stay.
And we shall not forget.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/sc1-7.jpg)
Oh Cookie,
That's so touching, I need to do that with my kids it seems I'm too busy with the 1 yr. old twins, and then the 2 year old, and my poor 6 year old is left out.  My better half is gone driving a truck most of the time.  I'll just have to try harder.  Thanks for the touching post.

it chokes me up every time I see it as well!
good post Jess....

My 6 yr old grand daughter was skipping to her mom's car yesterday when she picked her up from my house, and she pushed her hair back like Sandra did in that video and my mind went there to Sandra! I grabbed my grand daughter for another quick hug and kiss! she must think that grammy is nuts....I look into her face every day and tell her that I love her and that I am glad that we have her....I always want her to know that...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: fatcatlurker on April 29, 2009, 07:03:16 PM
Interesting article I found involving the fbi questioning other churches in other states.  May have already been posted?

http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2009/04/28/cantu-investigation-takes-fbi-to-rural-northwest/#more-217

Cantu investigation takes FBI to rural Northwest
By Kari Hulac
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am in Crime.

The Sandra Cantu murder investigation and its related threads have led media and FBI investigators all over the West Coast and up into the rural Northwest, where small towns like Clarkston, Wash., and nearby Lewiston, Idaho, are hearing about the Tracy girl’s story.

Late last week reporter Josh Richman managed to reach the Rev. Oliver Bittleston, pastor of the Clarkston First Church of God from 1982 to 1994, at his Clarkston home to ask him about the FBI’s visit to the church. Agents went there in connection with their investigation into murder suspect Melissa Huckaby and her family, including the Rev. Lane Lawless, whose Clover Road Baptist church in Tracy was searched as part of the Cantu investigation. Lawless was ordained in Washington state in the 1970s.

Bittleston said he’d just returned from a Clarkston grocery store, where he’d bumped into the church’s current pastor, the Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was familiar with the FBI probe and subsequent media calls.

“I have absolutely no idea, I wish that I knew something,” Bittleston said. “The only thing we can do is if there’s any interrogation or investigation that involves the church up here, we’ll have to do it in the presence of our lawyers.”

Bittleston said he has not been contacted by the authorities and has “no recollection” of Lane Lawless or of “any connection” to the Cantu case. Asked if there’d ever been allegations of child abuse and/or molestation at the church, he replied, “At one time, there was some… but it was an adult not involved with any of that name (Lawless) that I’m aware of.”

“We at the church found an elderly person who was doing some not-good things, so it went to court and he was sent into state jurisdiction” – meaning state prison, Bittleston said. “I was called in on that but I can’t see where there was any connection there… Any time that a church is working with children you’re going to have a certain amount of that … but we took it right to the authorities and it was taken care of.”

Bittleston also recalled that sometime early in his tenure at the church, “as I recall there was a young fellow and he came and immediately wanted to be associate pastor. … I didn’t feel right about it, I asked for some references. I think he was at church once or twice and he was gone.”

Bittleston said he recalled neither that person’s name nor the year in which he visited the church.

Lewiston (Idaho) Tribune City Editor Craig Clohessy said his researchers couldn’t find anything in their archives about Lawless being in the area though they’ve “heard tell” that he had been at some point.

Lawless’ church web site biography states that he came to Tracy in 1981.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: spring2 on April 29, 2009, 08:06:05 PM
Interesting article I found involving the fbi questioning other churches in other states.  May have already been posted?

http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2009/04/28/cantu-investigation-takes-fbi-to-rural-northwest/#more-217

Cantu investigation takes FBI to rural Northwest
By Kari Hulac
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am in Crime.

The Sandra Cantu murder investigation and its related threads have led media and FBI investigators all over the West Coast and up into the rural Northwest, where small towns like Clarkston, Wash., and nearby Lewiston, Idaho, are hearing about the Tracy girl’s story.

Late last week reporter Josh Richman managed to reach the Rev. Oliver Bittleston, pastor of the Clarkston First Church of God from 1982 to 1994, at his Clarkston home to ask him about the FBI’s visit to the church. Agents went there in connection with their investigation into murder suspect Melissa Huckaby and her family, including the Rev. Lane Lawless, whose Clover Road Baptist church in Tracy was searched as part of the Cantu investigation. Lawless was ordained in Washington state in the 1970s.

Bittleston said he’d just returned from a Clarkston grocery store, where he’d bumped into the church’s current pastor, the Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was familiar with the FBI probe and subsequent media calls.

“I have absolutely no idea, I wish that I knew something,” Bittleston said. “The only thing we can do is if there’s any interrogation or investigation that involves the church up here, we’ll have to do it in the presence of our lawyers.”

Bittleston said he has not been contacted by the authorities and has “no recollection” of Lane Lawless or of “any connection” to the Cantu case. Asked if there’d ever been allegations of child abuse and/or molestation at the church, he replied, “At one time, there was some… but it was an adult not involved with any of that name (Lawless) that I’m aware of.”

“We at the church found an elderly person who was doing some not-good things, so it went to court and he was sent into state jurisdiction” – meaning state prison, Bittleston said. “I was called in on that but I can’t see where there was any connection there… Any time that a church is working with children you’re going to have a certain amount of that … but we took it right to the authorities and it was taken care of.”

Bittleston also recalled that sometime early in his tenure at the church, “as I recall there was a young fellow and he came and immediately wanted to be associate pastor. … I didn’t feel right about it, I asked for some references. I think he was at church once or twice and he was gone.”

Bittleston said he recalled neither that person’s name nor the year in which he visited the church.

Lewiston (Idaho) Tribune City Editor Craig Clohessy said his researchers couldn’t find anything in their archives about Lawless being in the area though they’ve “heard tell” that he had been at some point.

Lawless’ church web site biography states that he came to Tracy in 1981.




 ::MonkeyRoll::

And we're supposed to believe Melissa Huckaby acted alone? 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: alagary on April 29, 2009, 08:31:17 PM
To all that saw NG tonight . sorry I can not do this anymore


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on April 29, 2009, 08:49:55 PM
My goodness Momoftwins! you certainly have your hands full! when I have the 6 yr old, the 3 yr old and the baby of 8 months grand daughters, by the end of the day, I am exhausted! give you credit girl for doing what you do almost all by yourself since hubby is gone for work...God luv ya!
I know what you mean about the 6 yr old being left out at times, that is why I give her special attention, besides she is my first and my heart...but the baby always gets the attention and the 3 yr old gets it cause she is always moving and ashaking and because of their ages!
 You can only do what you can do...but a extra little kiss for the 6 yr old would probably mean a lot to her and to you! xxxxxxxx


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: momoftwins on April 29, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
My goodness Momoftwins! you certainly have your hands full! when I have the 6 yr old, the 3 yr old and the baby of 8 months grand daughters, by the end of the day, I am exhausted! give you credit girl for doing what you do almost all by yourself since hubby is gone for work...God luv ya!
I know what you mean about the 6 yr old being left out at times, that is why I give her special attention, besides she is my first and my heart...but the baby always gets the attention and the 3 yr old gets it cause she is always moving and ashaking and because of their ages!
 You can only do what you can do...but a extra little kiss for the 6 yr old would probably mean a lot to her and to you! xxxxxxxx

Thanks Cookie
Just got them tucked in.  My hubby thinks I'm nuts for following these missing cases like I do.  I just feel so sorry for these lost souls, and their families.  Words can't express.  I try to keep up with this case and Little Haleigh.  I just wait for the day Justice Prevails!!  Your son or daughter is very, very lucky to have you to help with the babies.  My oldest is 21, yep, I'm 44, and she lives on the property, so she helps me.  I just became a Grandma a month ago.  I'm so proud even though I havebabies myself.  I always say if God didn't want me to have them, I wouldn't.  All of them are BLESSINGS, and I'm sooo thankful for them, and their health.  I'm a very blessed person.  Thanks again. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: theboyzmom on April 29, 2009, 09:41:18 PM
To all that saw NG tonight . sorry I can not do this anymore

What happened on NG?  I normally watch it as a repeat at 10 pm local time . . .


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 29, 2009, 09:47:06 PM
To all that saw NG tonight . sorry I can not do this anymore

What happened on NG?  I normally watch it as a repeat at 10 pm local time . . .
Nancy was doing the story of Emma Baker the toddler that was killed by her mother Stacey in Lancaster Ca. The crime was commited March 19, and she was finally arrested, and charged with second degree murder. Stacey had an outlandish story like Casey did, and it turns out she suffocated the toddler.

OT

For those interested, Link to Emma Barker's thread in Crimes Against Children at SM:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4934.0


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: theboyzmom on April 29, 2009, 09:49:37 PM
To all that saw NG tonight . sorry I can not do this anymore

What happened on NG?  I normally watch it as a repeat at 10 pm local time . . .
Nancy was doing the story of Emma Baker the toddler that was killed by her mother Stacey in Lancaster Ca. The crime was commited March 19, and she was finally arrested, and charged with second degree murder. Stacey had an outlandish story like Casey did, and it turns out she suffocated the toddler.

My God, what is this world coming to. Someone needs to put birth control in the water or beer or weed or whatever these idiots are using.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on April 29, 2009, 09:53:29 PM
To all that saw NG tonight . sorry I can not do this anymore

What happened on NG?  I normally watch it as a repeat at 10 pm local time . . .
Nancy was doing the story of Emma Baker the toddler that was killed by her mother Stacey in Lancaster Ca. The crime was commited March 19, and she was finally arrested, and charged with second degree murder. Stacey had an outlandish story like Casey did, and it turns out she suffocated the toddler.

My God, what is this world coming to. Someone needs to put birth control in the water or beer or weed or whatever these idiots are using.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

OT

For those interested, Link to Emma Barker's thread in Crimes Against Children at SM:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4934.0


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: momoftwins on April 29, 2009, 09:56:17 PM
To all that saw NG tonight . sorry I can not do this anymore

What happened on NG?  I normally watch it as a repeat at 10 pm local time . . .
Nancy was doing the story of Emma Baker the toddler that was killed by her mother Stacey in Lancaster Ca. The crime was commited March 19, and she was finally arrested, and charged with second degree murder. Stacey had an outlandish story like Casey did, and it turns out she suffocated the toddler.

My God, what is this world coming to. Someone needs to put birth control in the water or beer or weed or whatever these idiots are using.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
My head is spinning from this one.  I can't understand for the life of me this girl lived with her Mother like Casey, why not just leave the baby?!!! MAKES NO SENSE.  I don't want to know.  NO EXCUSE!!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 29, 2009, 10:13:54 PM
To all that saw NG tonight . sorry I can not do this anymore

What happened on NG?  I normally watch it as a repeat at 10 pm local time . . .
Nancy was doing the story of Emma Baker the toddler that was killed by her mother Stacey in Lancaster Ca. The crime was commited March 19, and she was finally arrested, and charged with second degree murder. Stacey had an outlandish story like Casey did, and it turns out she suffocated the toddler.

My God, what is this world coming to. Someone needs to put birth control in the water or beer or weed or whatever these idiots are using.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
My head is spinning from this one.  I can't understand for the life of me this girl lived with her Mother like Casey, why not just leave the baby?!!! MAKES NO SENSE.  I don't want to know.  NO EXCUSE!!

Poor little girl, she was so cute. It seems the family helped and provided a good support system for the mother, why would she do this? How???
I am a mother and my worse nightmare would be, god forbid, to lose one of them. A parent should never bury a child, but when that parent causes it? I just don't get it, never will, I don't even know if we are supposed to


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Anna on April 29, 2009, 11:37:01 PM
A word of caution concerning information on the internet especially news sources.  We found in the Natalee Holloway case that these often just disappear and not only from local media but even national.

Some of the article and transcripts are still there after all this time but many were gone in no time, two page transcripts shortened to one page and just plain gone.  Some there is now even a $25 charge to access what was at the time just routine program like Greta van Susteren.

So don't depend on the link working forever.  It well may but then again, it may not.  There did not seem to be any pattern to the disappearing sources, just poof and one day they were gone.

I suppose all archives have a limit to the amount of information they store.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 11:46:39 PM
Hey ALL!
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on April 29, 2009, 11:56:41 PM
Well Monkeys ::MonkeyNoNo::
Here we have another Hughes.  May or may not be related to the Lawless'.

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/1869505500176.jpg)
      DAVID HUGHES

288(a)     LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS
Last Name:   HUGHES      First Name: DAVID     Middle Name:  ALLEN   
Description    Offenses    Scars/Marks/Tattoos    Known Aliases
Last Known Address:    713 ANN GABRIEL LANE
TRACY, 95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code    95376
Date of Birth:    03-24-1952
Sex:    MALE
Height:    5'10"
Weight:    160
Eye Color:    BLUE
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 30, 2009, 01:30:07 AM
A word of caution concerning information on the internet especially news sources.  We found in the Natalee Holloway case that these often just disappear and not only from local media but even national.

Some of the article and transcripts are still there after all this time but many were gone in no time, two page transcripts shortened to one page and just plain gone.  Some there is now even a $25 charge to access what was at the time just routine program like Greta van Susteren.

So don't depend on the link working forever.  It well may but then again, it may not.  There did not seem to be any pattern to the disappearing sources, just poof and one day they were gone.

I suppose all archives have a limit to the amount of information they store.



Thanks for the explanation. It totally makes sense. I will make a folder and copy to it.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on April 30, 2009, 09:31:04 AM
Interesting article I found involving the fbi questioning other churches in other states.  May have already been posted?

http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2009/04/28/cantu-investigation-takes-fbi-to-rural-northwest/#more-217

Cantu investigation takes FBI to rural Northwest
By Kari Hulac
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am in Crime.

The Sandra Cantu murder investigation and its related threads have led media and FBI investigators all over the West Coast and up into the rural Northwest, where small towns like Clarkston, Wash., and nearby Lewiston, Idaho, are hearing about the Tracy girl’s story.

Late last week reporter Josh Richman managed to reach the Rev. Oliver Bittleston, pastor of the Clarkston First Church of God from 1982 to 1994, at his Clarkston home to ask him about the FBI’s visit to the church. Agents went there in connection with their investigation into murder suspect Melissa Huckaby and her family, including the Rev. Lane Lawless, whose Clover Road Baptist church in Tracy was searched as part of the Cantu investigation. Lawless was ordained in Washington state in the 1970s.

Bittleston said he’d just returned from a Clarkston grocery store, where he’d bumped into the church’s current pastor, the Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was familiar with the FBI probe and subsequent media calls.

“I have absolutely no idea, I wish that I knew something,” Bittleston said. “The only thing we can do is if there’s any interrogation or investigation that involves the church up here, we’ll have to do it in the presence of our lawyers.”

Bittleston said he has not been contacted by the authorities and has “no recollection” of Lane Lawless or of “any connection” to the Cantu case. Asked if there’d ever been allegations of child abuse and/or molestation at the church, he replied, “At one time, there was some… but it was an adult not involved with any of that name (Lawless) that I’m aware of.”

“We at the church found an elderly person who was doing some not-good things, so it went to court and he was sent into state jurisdiction” – meaning state prison, Bittleston said. “I was called in on that but I can’t see where there was any connection there… Any time that a church is working with children you’re going to have a certain amount of that … but we took it right to the authorities and it was taken care of.”

Bittleston also recalled that sometime early in his tenure at the church, “as I recall there was a young fellow and he came and immediately wanted to be associate pastor. … I didn’t feel right about it, I asked for some references. I think he was at church once or twice and he was gone.”

Bittleston said he recalled neither that person’s name nor the year in which he visited the church.

Lewiston (Idaho) Tribune City Editor Craig Clohessy said his researchers couldn’t find anything in their archives about Lawless being in the area though they’ve “heard tell” that he had been at some point.

Lawless’ church web site biography states that he came to Tracy in 1981.




 ::MonkeyRoll::

And we're supposed to believe Melissa Huckaby acted alone? 

There's about 20 things alone that bother me in that article, thanks for posting.

Here's an example as to how the media in general does not do their homework. We have an entire thread with specifics about the Lawless family and the relatives of same, directly tying him to this area. Does not mean he is responsible for the rumors of "not so good things", however...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: N2WISHN on April 30, 2009, 09:48:53 AM
April 30, 2009

Female Sex Killers: The Devious PredatorsDeborah Schurman-Kauflin, PhD


***EDITOR’S NOTE – CONTENT WARNING: The following article contains subject matter that may be disturbing or upsetting to some of our readers, as it includes descriptions of violent crimes and deviant criminal behavior.
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
They are the world’s most elusive hunters. Using their looks, their status, and their personalities, female sex killers can be the most difficult to catch. I have studied serial killers all of my adult life and am the only profiler to interview a large group of female serial killers and create their profiles. I work with police on such cases around the United States, and from first- hand experience, I can attest to the fact that female rape murderers are clever.
 
Though rare, such predators are more common than the general public knows. Why? In most instances, when a female rapes and kills a victim, the act is done in conjunction with a male partner. As such, when caught, the females play innocent and blame the male. This strategy has proven highly effective over the years because people are hesitant to believe that a woman could rape and murder. But it does happen, and sometimes, the female will act alone.
 
Out of all the interviews I have done with male and female serial killers, the only offender who ever made me uncomfortable was a female sex killer. She had a long history of violence and killed with no remorse. What made her unique is that she was very open about her love for drawing blood using knives, and she said if she ever got out of prison, she would kill again.
 
These offenders are a unique breed in that they have a real taste for hurting helpless victims. They enjoy the feeling they get when using objects to rape. In fact, female rape killers will often use jagged instruments when they attack. These women are especially brutal with female victims, and almost always, they will mutilate the genitalia. Such women have told me that they chose to hurt their victims so viciously because it turned them on. Like their male counterparts, it was sexually exciting.
 
To capture their prey, these women use a rouse to trick their victims who are always smaller in size. They use their gender as a cover for their evil intentions because most people find it hard to believe that the fairer sex could rape and kill a child. However, children are not their only victims. Such offenders have been known to target adults since everyone is less wary of a woman. This allows these super predators access to almost any type of victim.
 
The killers are drawn to traditionally “feminine” jobs such as nursing, caregiving, teaching, or the sex trade. These fields give them natural cover to get close to victims. Like their male counterparts, female sex killers fantasize about rape and murder. However, unlike men, women tend to be less selective about the type of victims they choose. For instance, male sex killers typically prefer certain types of victim such as 20-year-old blondes. But for the women, victim age and gender are less important than opportunity. Female predators search for that which is easy to get. If she works in a nursing home, she may go after the elderly and rape them in their beds. If the woman works as a prostitute, she will target customers. If she teaches, she often sets her sights on students. These women crave what is familiar to them, and they watch their prey over time to assess how easy it would be to attack.
 
The killers tend to have spotty work histories as well as a string of failed relationships. They dabble in sexual relationships and will try everything from lesbianism to child molestation. Emotionally they find it hard to be “centered,” and family will cover for the women when they engage in strange behavior. In looking at their backgrounds, their life pattern tends to be as follows:
 
Loneliness
Child abuse (victim of)
Fantasy
Acting out (violent against animals & other children)
Sexually promiscuous
Psychopathic behavior (stealing, fire setting, lying)
Attaching to steady figure (older male)
Increased time alone
Practicing violence
Kidnap
Kill
 
The interesting part of this pattern is that when looking back, it is easy to see how the women progressed. And there is almost always someone who knew about the increasingly dangerous behavior but did nothing to stop it. There is a tendency in families to hide problems, and those that produce female rape murderers are no exception. The crimes are so aberrant that even those close to these women find it hard to believe that their child/friend/spouse could do such things. The women are well aware of this and use it to their advantage. At every turn, they will plant doubt into the minds of those who question. They will act strange on purpose to try to confuse people. Then they turn on the water works and cry to appear innocent. The thing that tends to be consistent with these killers is that people around them will say that the women were “strange” or “unusual.” Others will even say that the women made them feel uncomfortable at times, but again, because of their gender, people are reluctant to be suspicious.
 
Once caught, the women go to emotional extremes and will do everything from attempting to seduce investigators to acting out in an almost psychotic like way. When female rape murderers are cornered, they are more likely to talk than other female killers. However, their ‘confessions’ will be self serving and filled with lies. They will be flamboyant and spin tales of their own horrific abuse in order to garner sympathy. However, make no mistake, such women are devious and know exactly what they are doing. They use the rarity of their crimes to hide the truth of what lies beneath their façades. These types of crimes are actually becoming more common, so parents must become educated about this ‘newer’ predator that is stalking their children. As awareness grows, expect to see the discovery of more of these types of crimes. When society realizes what has been hiding in its midst, an innocence will be lost, but protection will be gained. People will be shocked when they discover what happened in the Sandra Cantu murder case. But the horror will provide the necessary wake-up call and education that parents need in order to be forearmed in the future.
 
Copyright Violent Crimes Institute, LLC 2009
 
FamilySecurityMatters.orgContributing Editor Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D., heads the Violent Crimes Institute, and is author of The New Predator, Vulture and the soon-to be published Disturbed: Terrorist Behavioral Profiles


http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3128/pub_detail.asp


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 30, 2009, 10:38:56 AM
N2WISHN  thanks for that article, very interesting.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Stacey on April 30, 2009, 10:55:37 AM
Interesting article I found involving the fbi questioning other churches in other states.  May have already been posted?

http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2009/04/28/cantu-investigation-takes-fbi-to-rural-northwest/#more-217

Cantu investigation takes FBI to rural Northwest
By Kari Hulac
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am in Crime.

The Sandra Cantu murder investigation and its related threads have led media and FBI investigators all over the West Coast and up into the rural Northwest, where small towns like Clarkston, Wash., and nearby Lewiston, Idaho, are hearing about the Tracy girl’s story.

Late last week reporter Josh Richman managed to reach the Rev. Oliver Bittleston, pastor of the Clarkston First Church of God from 1982 to 1994, at his Clarkston home to ask him about the FBI’s visit to the church. Agents went there in connection with their investigation into murder suspect Melissa Huckaby and her family, including the Rev. Lane Lawless, whose Clover Road Baptist church in Tracy was searched as part of the Cantu investigation. Lawless was ordained in Washington state in the 1970s.

Bittleston said he’d just returned from a Clarkston grocery store, where he’d bumped into the church’s current pastor, the Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was familiar with the FBI probe and subsequent media calls.

“I have absolutely no idea, I wish that I knew something,” Bittleston said. “The only thing we can do is if there’s any interrogation or investigation that involves the church up here, we’ll have to do it in the presence of our lawyers.”

Bittleston said he has not been contacted by the authorities and has “no recollection” of Lane Lawless or of “any connection” to the Cantu case. Asked if there’d ever been allegations of child abuse and/or molestation at the church, he replied, “At one time, there was some… but it was an adult not involved with any of that name (Lawless) that I’m aware of.”

“We at the church found an elderly person who was doing some not-good things, so it went to court and he was sent into state jurisdiction” – meaning state prison, Bittleston said. “I was called in on that but I can’t see where there was any connection there… Any time that a church is working with children you’re going to have a certain amount of that … but we took it right to the authorities and it was taken care of.”
Bittleston also recalled that sometime early in his tenure at the church, “as I recall there was a young fellow and he came and immediately wanted to be associate pastor. … I didn’t feel right about it, I asked for some references. I think he was at church once or twice and he was gone.”

Bittleston said he recalled neither that person’s name nor the year in which he visited the church.

Lewiston (Idaho) Tribune City Editor Craig Clohessy said his researchers couldn’t find anything in their archives about Lawless being in the area though they’ve “heard tell” that he had been at some point.

Lawless’ church web site biography states that he came to Tracy in 1981.




 ::MonkeyRoll::

And we're supposed to believe Melissa Huckaby acted alone? 

There's about 20 things alone that bother me in that article, thanks for posting.

Here's an example as to how the media in general does not do their homework. We have an entire thread with specifics about the Lawless family and the relatives of same, directly tying him to this area. Does not mean he is responsible for the rumors of "not so good things", however...

Hello Monkeys

The part I bolded made my mouth drop to the floor WTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would any one expect if a church is around children then this is 100% going to happen.
That is just a strange statement
I think FBI are getting all their little ducks in a row

Monkey hugs


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on April 30, 2009, 12:03:02 PM
Interesting article I found involving the fbi questioning other churches in other states.  May have already been posted?

http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2009/04/28/cantu-investigation-takes-fbi-to-rural-northwest/#more-217

Cantu investigation takes FBI to rural Northwest
By Kari Hulac
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am in Crime.

The Sandra Cantu murder investigation and its related threads have led media and FBI investigators all over the West Coast and up into the rural Northwest, where small towns like Clarkston, Wash., and nearby Lewiston, Idaho, are hearing about the Tracy girl’s story.

Late last week reporter Josh Richman managed to reach the Rev. Oliver Bittleston, pastor of the Clarkston First Church of God from 1982 to 1994, at his Clarkston home to ask him about the FBI’s visit to the church. Agents went there in connection with their investigation into murder suspect Melissa Huckaby and her family, including the Rev. Lane Lawless, whose Clover Road Baptist church in Tracy was searched as part of the Cantu investigation. Lawless was ordained in Washington state in the 1970s.

Bittleston said he’d just returned from a Clarkston grocery store, where he’d bumped into the church’s current pastor, the Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was familiar with the FBI probe and subsequent media calls.

“I have absolutely no idea, I wish that I knew something,” Bittleston said. “The only thing we can do is if there’s any interrogation or investigation that involves the church up here, we’ll have to do it in the presence of our lawyers.”

Bittleston said he has not been contacted by the authorities and has “no recollection” of Lane Lawless or of “any connection” to the Cantu case. Asked if there’d ever been allegations of child abuse and/or molestation at the church, he replied, “At one time, there was some… but it was an adult not involved with any of that name (Lawless) that I’m aware of.”

“We at the church found an elderly person who was doing some not-good things, so it went to court and he was sent into state jurisdiction” – meaning state prison, Bittleston said. “I was called in on that but I can’t see where there was any connection there… Any time that a church is working with children you’re going to have a certain amount of that … but we took it right to the authorities and it was taken care of.”
Bittleston also recalled that sometime early in his tenure at the church, “as I recall there was a young fellow and he came and immediately wanted to be associate pastor. … I didn’t feel right about it, I asked for some references. I think he was at church once or twice and he was gone.”

Bittleston said he recalled neither that person’s name nor the year in which he visited the church.

Lewiston (Idaho) Tribune City Editor Craig Clohessy said his researchers couldn’t find anything in their archives about Lawless being in the area though they’ve “heard tell” that he had been at some point.

Lawless’ church web site biography states that he came to Tracy in 1981.




 ::MonkeyRoll::

And we're supposed to believe Melissa Huckaby acted alone? 

There's about 20 things alone that bother me in that article, thanks for posting.

Here's an example as to how the media in general does not do their homework. We have an entire thread with specifics about the Lawless family and the relatives of same, directly tying him to this area. Does not mean he is responsible for the rumors of "not so good things", however...

Hello Monkeys

The part I bolded made my mouth drop to the floor WTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would any one expect if a church is around children then this is 100% going to happen.
That is just a strange statement
I think FBI are getting all their little ducks in a row

Monkey hugs

I agree Stacey, it's a VERY strange comment!  My jaw hit the floor too!  Seems to me that some of the folks they've questioned in WA and Idaho sound defensive and evasive, as tho they've more info to hide than to offer.  Maybe it's just the way I took it, dunno.  A comment like the one this guy made, not only doesn't reflect well on any church, but it makes me want to question him more about the attitudes of that church in particular.  And surprises me, coming from a pastor and all.  Strange thing too is that this pastor can't remember the name of whoever it was .. uh hmmm .. and neither pastor can remember anything about Lane Lawless.  So hand them a picture and flat out ask, do you know this man under ANY name? 

  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 30, 2009, 01:36:02 PM
You know call me crazy but I would expect God wishes for all  children to always be safe, especially in a house of worship

Edit-fix underline


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 30, 2009, 01:38:05 PM
You know call me crazy but I would expect God wishes for all children to always be safe, especially in a house of worship!

OOPs should have underlined rather then italic  :oops:

Edit-fixed


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: N2WISHN on April 30, 2009, 01:56:46 PM
N2WISHN  thanks for that article, very interesting.


I thought it was quite interesting too. Melissa seems to have alot of the classic traits going for her. At a minimum, someone in her family must have been aware of some of her disturbing behavior.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 30, 2009, 03:55:51 PM
N2WISHN  thanks for that article, very interesting.


I thought it was quite interesting too. Melissa seems to have alot of the classic traits going for her. At a minimum, someone in her family must have been aware of some of her disturbing behavior.
One would think, maybe they just swept it all under the rug, and proceeded with their own lives.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on April 30, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
REGARDING A PARTIAL LIFT ON THE GAG ORDER - an email from my attorney friend living near Tracy:

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Partial lift of the gag order in Sandra Cantu case.

“As of April 30 at 12:15 p.m, there is no news on the official
San Joaquin Superior Court website that the gag order was partially lifted. The original gag order remains in place. There was a news article that speculated that it would be partially lifted. Also the court has not emailed to the media any information about a partial lift.

It would probably take a motion by media before the judge to try to lift or modify the original gag order or the gag order on the document filed by the DA in opposition to the disnterment.

Unfortunately, once a judge puts a gag order in place, it is darn expensive in time and money to do the paperwork to try to lift it. And the media usually will have the motion denied by the trial judge and her judicial decisions will havfe to go up appeal to the California Court of Appeals with a writ application and if the writ is not denied summarily, which often happens, and the writ is actually reviewed by the court, the process often takes months to hear. This is so despite the fact the media usually requests quick emergency relief re: lifting a gag so that the trial proceedings don’t pass by in a gagged stated, before a court actually issues a decision one way or the other.

Public court proceedings are the goal of the California judiciary, at least officially, but in practice, sealing is rampant in all kinds of cases, often for specious reasons.

I see your posting at ScaredMonkeys, Blink, and co. I admire your activism.

It appears from the response of the Tracy Press that they did not dig into the Timothy Lawless connection to Melissa Huckaby, other than making a few phone calls to the official authorities.”

K



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on April 30, 2009, 06:29:23 PM
Thank you Sacsayhuan for bringing this info to us & I would like to say WELCOME!

WELCOME SACSAYHUAN!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 30, 2009, 06:39:31 PM
Thank you Sacsayhuan for bringing this info to us & I would like to say WELCOME!

WELCOME SACSAYHUAN!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::
Yes, me too.   WELCOME  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on April 30, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
I missed seeing you come in Sacsayhuan.  Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys  ::MonkeyDance::
(http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/4.gif)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on April 30, 2009, 07:25:40 PM
Welcome Sacsayhuan!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Are you from the bay area or central valley?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on April 30, 2009, 07:57:37 PM
Your going to love this !  ::MonkeyLaugh::

BLOCKED WEBSITE



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on April 30, 2009, 08:22:14 PM
Welcome Sacsayhuan!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Are you from the bay area or central valley?

  I am from Louisiana !  I have friends in CA - Santa Monica and Northern CA around San Francisco.  Tracy is very near the girls in Northern CA.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on April 30, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
I missed seeing you come in Sacsayhuan.  Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys  ::MonkeyDance::
(http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/4.gif)

  Thanks MuffyBee - I had been posting on Blink's website - but I think it is almost full.  This is a great site - just have to figure out how not to duplicate my posts !


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on April 30, 2009, 08:27:15 PM
Thank you Sacsayhuan for bringing this info to us & I would like to say WELCOME!

WELCOME SACSAYHUAN!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::
Yes, me too.   WELCOME  ::MonkeyDance::

  Thanks !  I look forward to reading the posts daily and contributing when I have any good info. 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on April 30, 2009, 08:31:06 PM
Thank you Sacsayhuan for bringing this info to us & I would like to say WELCOME!

WELCOME SACSAYHUAN!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::
Yes, me too.   WELCOME  ::MonkeyDance::

Nice meeting you and am looking forward to getting to know everyone !  Looks like a wonderful site with knowledgeable and determined individuals !


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on April 30, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
Seems like a quiet night.  Blink, if you get a second, can you get my email address from Klaas and send me an email?  I'd like to ask for your opinion on something.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 01, 2009, 08:43:48 AM
OT-  Sort of. . . 

Accused Molester Blames Blood Pressure
Man Also Blamed His Medication, Report Says

Posted: 1:30 pm EST January 2, 2008Updated: 3:23 pm EST January 2, 2008
CHANDLER, Ariz. -- A Sunday school teacher who was arrested on suspicion of molesting a 5-year-old girl at a Phoenix-area church blamed his actions on his "high blood pressure," according to a police report.

High Blood Pressure Blamed

Terence James Greenwood, 62, a married father of two children, also cast blame on his "medication" or the possibility that he had "mental problems," the report said.

Greenwood faces six felony charges, including child molestation, sexual conduct with a minor and indecent exposure, KPHO-TV in Phoenix reported.

Greenwood has been a member of the Chandler United Methodist Church for years, but he recently started helping in the classrooms in September, according to the police report.

In a phone call to Greenwood from the victim's mother before his arrest, he first denied what the victim said, the report stated.

He then admitted he had "made a mistake" and was "ashamed" of it, but said he only "exposed himself" to the girl, according to the report.

Greenwood was arrested on Dec. 21 outside a Paradise Bakery store where he does maintenance work.

In interviews with investigators, Greenwood admitted he "touched" the victim "inappropriately," "exposed" himself and made the girl touch him and perform oral sex, the police report stated.

He also said he "tried to touch two other little girls" in the Sunday school class who spent the night with his 11-year-old daughter, according to the report.

According to the police report, he said he "took advantage" of the 5-year-old girl because "she trusted him" and was "quiet."

After getting away with it one Sunday, he said, he was "emboldened" to "do it again," the report said.

Police said the church sent letters to its members about Greenwood's arrest. Officers said they are investigating the possibility that there might be one other victim.

Greenwood is being held without bond.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 01, 2009, 08:52:35 AM
Will a Mod please remove my above posts - wrong thread  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyHaHa:: and delete this post - TIA

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  Rob, when I started reading it, I thought, geez, Rob must have meant to put this on the thread about Britannie....
hard to keep track sometimes isn't it?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 01, 2009, 08:54:06 AM
Jess...that man in your above post is thoroughly disgusting! uuugggghhhhh....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 01, 2009, 09:02:28 AM
Jess...that man in your above post is thoroughly disgusting! uuugggghhhhh....

UPDATE:  The good news is that he's serving 35 years in prison w/o possibility of parole.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 01, 2009, 09:03:18 AM
Seems like a quiet night.  Blink, if you get a second, can you get my email address from Klaas and send me an email?  I'd like to ask for your opinion on something.

Thanks.

sorry jess, just got this, I think I have it, if not, I will
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 01, 2009, 09:13:38 AM
Most Female Child Molesters Were Victims Of Sexual Abuse, Study Suggests

ScienceDaily (May 13, 2008) — A University of Georgia study that is the first to systematically examine a large sample of female child molesters finds that many of them were themselves victims of sexual abuse as children.

The finding, published in the April issue of the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, has the potential to help break the cycle of abuse by improving treatment for offenders and their young victims.

“This study informs us about the pathway to becoming sexually deviant for females,” said study author Susan Strickland, assistant professor in the UGA School of Social Work. “With that knowledge, we can improve treatment and reduce the likelihood of future sexual assaults on children.”

Strickland said the sexual abuse of minors by women has been largely ignored by the general public, the legal system and by academic researchers. Many people believe that women are not capable of committing such acts, she said, and the abuse of boys by women is often dismissed as the boys sowing their oats or even being lucky. The truth is that both boys and girls are molested by female perpetrators and these victims often suffer a myriad of consequences affecting their sexuality, relationships and beliefs about themselves and others. Childhood sexual abuse also has been linked to a host of emotional and behavioral problems, such as substance abuse and eating disorders.

The true prevalence of female sexual abuse on children is unknown, but a commonly accepted figure is that five to seven percent of sex crimes are committed by females. Studies on female sex offenders are rare, and most have been descriptive in nature, used small samples and have not used valid statistical measures or control groups.

Strickland’s study, the largest of its kind, surveyed 130 incarcerated females - 60 of which were sex offenders and 70 of which were nonsexual offenders - and examined factors such as childhood trauma, substance abuse, emotional neediness and personality disorders. While the majority of both groups reported being the victims of childhood maltreatment, the sex offenders were significantly more likely to experience pervasive, serious and more frequent emotional abuse, physical abuse and neglect.

“We’ve pretty much known that the majority of women in prison have had bad childhoods and that many suffered childhood sexual abuse,” Strickland said. “But the subgroup of female sex offenders has suffered significantly more abuse, particularly sexual abuse.”

Sex offenders also exhibited more social and sexual insecurities, inhibitions and inferiorities. Strickland said the findings suggest that many female sex offenders struggle with relationships and lack the social skills to have their needs met with consensual adult partners. Therefore, treatment for female sex offenders should address their past trauma and focus on developing appropriate social skills and increasing arousal to appropriate sexual and emotional encounters.

Because victims are at increased risk of becoming abusers later in life, Strickland said their treatment should include offender prevention therapy, which addresses issues of power and control, appropriate sexual expression and boundaries, and cycles and triggers that may lead to offending behaviors.

“While it appears that only a minority of girls who are sexually abused become offenders,” Strickland said, “we can reduce that number and reduce the potential for further sexual assaults on children – both male and female – by including offender prevention in our treatment protocols.”

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080513101605.htm


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 01, 2009, 09:13:46 AM
Jess...that man in your above post is thoroughly disgusting! uuugggghhhhh....

UPDATE:  The good news is that he's serving 35 years in prison w/o possibility of parole.

that is totally music to my ears! now if we can only get the rest of them rounded up and throw away the keys!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 01, 2009, 09:24:22 AM
Jess you have nanners


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: goodnmad on May 01, 2009, 09:52:25 AM
just fyi I got a security warning by clicking the link in post # 227.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 01, 2009, 09:55:40 AM
just fyi I got a security warning by clicking the link in post # 227.



As did I.

Sac- can you cut and paste the article of that's what it is?
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 01, 2009, 09:59:46 AM
just fyi I got a security warning by clicking the link in post # 227.



As did I.

Sac- can you cut and paste the article of that's what it is?
B

I'm not the poster, but here you go.  There seems to be some misinformation in it, as I don't recall anyone saying that it appears Sandra was murdered "in the crawl space of the church."


Psychic makes claim to reward money in Cantu case
By Mike Martinez
San Joaquin Herald
Posted: 04/30/2009 03:51:11 PM PDT
Updated: 04/30/2009 07:18:05 PM PDT

Psychic Dani Pedlow from Southern California says she provided information to the Tracy Police...

TRACY — A Southern California woman is in a dispute with Tracy police over whether her psychic predictions helped them solve the Sandra Cantu murder case.

She thinks she's entitled to at least a portion of the reward money, totaling more than $30,000, but Tracy police say they never used any information provided by any psychics during the investigation.

Dani Pedlow, based in Los Angeles, said she predicted the little girl would be found in a "barranca—" a Spanish word for canyon or ravine — and that she was killed in a church, and the killer was someone in the trailer park the little girl called home.

Pedlow said she helps solve crimes for a living and recently helped find a Las Vegas runaway and described on a New York radio show how police would capture a serial killer.

She was contacted by a local resident who is also one of her clients.

"At the time, I hadn't ever been to Tracy and wasn't even quite sure where it was,'' Pedlow said. "I texted and e-mailed her from Las Vegas. I told her I see a barranca. I talked about a church. I told her I see the church straight across from the park, and I see water, sand and gravel. I had the sense of something being dragged.''

Although there is no park near the Clover Road Baptist Church, which was searched as part of the investigation, behind it is a large, open grassy field.

Melissa Huckaby, 28, of Tracy, has been charged with murdering 8-year-old Sandra
Cantu, and with enhancements — kidnapping, lewd or lascivious acts on a child and rape by a foreign object — she could face the death penalty if convicted.

Huckaby lived with her grandparents, who operate the church, which is near the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, only a few doors down from Cantu.

Sources have said the girl appears to have been murdered in a crawl space underneath the church, where investigators also found a pair of gloves. Sandra, who was last seen around 4 p.m. March 27 on videotape surveillance captured in front of her home, was found 10 days later stuffed into a suitcase that floated to the surface of a retaining pond at a local dairy.

Police said a farmworker at the dairy noticed the suitcase and notified authorities.

"We never reviewed or utilized any information from a psychic during this investigation,'' Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

Huckaby publicly admitted the suitcase the girl was found in belonged to her but said it was stolen from her driveway the day Sandra disappeared. She's scheduled to return to court May 22 for further arraignment.

Pedlow delivered a letter with her contact information to Tracy police explaining why she believes she's entitled to the reward money. She said police told her they hadn't decided who to give the reward money to, but no one has ever called her, not even from the Tracy Crimestoppers, the nonprofit organization that offers rewards to people who help solve local crimes.

"It sounds like subterfuge," Pedlow said. "They put the brakes on. No one would respond. I understand because I live in Los Angeles, but one sentence about not having made up their minds sounds to me like they are trying to distance themselves from me."

Scott Webb, executive director of the Modesto-based Sund/Carrington Foundation, said it is paying a little more than $20,000 to the anonymous tipster who found the suitcase April 6 just off of Whitehall Road north of Tracy.

Webb said the organization has never paid any psychic reward money in the more than 40 cases it has helped solve.

"Tracy police has identified an individual who was responsible for (Sandra's) recovery," Webb said. "We had several large donations, but we've been receiving cards, letters and financial support from all over the country. I think the community should know they've been very helpful in this situation. Many other families are going through the same thing, and they don't get the same amount of attention.''

Reach Mike Martinez at 209-832-3947 or mike.martinez@bayareanewsgroup.com.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 01, 2009, 10:55:37 AM
Jess - thanks for posting. Takes all kinds, doesn't it? Frankly, I like to read about those kinds of "psychics".. helps people see them for what they are.

I emailed you as requested Jess when you get a chance


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 01, 2009, 10:59:22 AM
just fyi I got a security warning by clicking the link in post # 227.



I don't think there is anything to worry about at that Mercury News link.  I think it's likely an overly protective anti-virus program.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 01, 2009, 11:06:00 AM
Jess - thanks for posting. Takes all kinds, doesn't it? Frankly, I like to read about those kinds of "psychics".. helps people see them for what they are.

I emailed you as requested Jess when you get a chance


Thanks Blink. I'll try to email you later on today.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 01, 2009, 11:33:05 AM
Good Morning MOnkeys! ::MonkeyRoll::
How are you this morning?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/youngun39/coffee%20pictures/Coffee-monkey.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 01, 2009, 11:35:43 AM
great Lonemonkey and yourself?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 01, 2009, 11:39:50 AM
great Lonemonkey and yourself?

HI Cookie!
I really like your avatar! ::MonkeyWink::
I'm well.  Thank GOD it's Friday!!!!!
I'm wondering what to research next.  I have been working or Tracy60 and RSO's of Tracy that could be connected to Lawless'.

Any ideas???


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 01, 2009, 11:43:04 AM
great Lonemonkey and yourself?

HI Cookie!
I really like your avatar! ::MonkeyWink::
I'm well.  Thank GOD it's Friday!!!!!
I'm wondering what to research next.  I have been working or Tracy60 and RSO's of Tracy that could be connected to Lawless'.

Any ideas???

No...none...I follow the lead of the rest of you monkeys in the research department...you all do such a good job...it is amazing...lots of work that you all do...
this is one of the saddest cases yet....it seems that each one gets sadder ..if that is possible...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 01, 2009, 11:53:06 AM
great Lonemonkey and yourself?

HI Cookie!
I really like your avatar! ::MonkeyWink::
I'm well.  Thank GOD it's Friday!!!!!
I'm wondering what to research next.  I have been working or Tracy60 and RSO's of Tracy that could be connected to Lawless'.

Any ideas???

No...none...I follow the lead of the rest of you monkeys in the research department...you all do such a good job...it is amazing...lots of work that you all do...
this is one of the saddest cases yet....it seems that each one gets sadder ..if that is possible...

I know what you mean Cookie!
And I have to wonder what was MORE heinous than what we already know that happened to Sandra!  Sometimes I think it is better to know the facts than to wonder and speculate.  I have come to realy respect the Florida Sunshine Laws...that we have seen with Caylee.  SO much more info.!

Do you suppose media is just reporting this kind of abuse more OR is it happening more often?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 01:02:56 PM
Good morning monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance:: I hope today brings with it news that all of our lost people are found. Maybe we should ask that psychic! Yea right! She should be ashamed of herself for wanting that money. From what I understand the men who found the suitcase had to be pressured into taking some of it. All of the things she said was pretty much what we and many others said. Crazy lady!

Lonemonkey where do you get all of the cute pics you post? Do you make them? I sure admire anyone that can do more then turn on a computer.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 01, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
Good morning monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance:: I hope today brings with it news that all of our lost people are found. Maybe we should ask that psychic! Yea right! She should be ashamed of herself for wanting that money. From what I understand the men who found the suitcase had to be pressured into taking some of it. All of the things she said was pretty much what we and many others said. Crazy lady!

Lonemonkey where do you get all of the cute pics you post? Do you make them? I sure admire anyone that can do more then turn on a computer.


Hi Tracy! ::MonkeyWink::
I LOVE your avatar!!!!!!!!
I just bum around the web looking for cute pics, save, and then upload to Photobucket!
How ya doing?  Any news in Tracy today?
this gag order sucks!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: goodnmad on May 01, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
Jess - thanks for posting. Takes all kinds, doesn't it? Frankly, I like to read about those kinds of "psychics".. helps people see them for what they are.

I emailed you as requested Jess when you get a chance


Really! A little girl was murdered and this psychic wants money?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

She's a kind I'd rather avoid.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 01, 2009, 01:54:00 PM
I have to say I have not heard that Sandra was killed in the crawlspace before, I wonder if that is accurate?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 01, 2009, 02:22:02 PM
I have to say I have not heard that Sandra was killed in the crawlspace before, I wonder if that is accurate?
 
Hi NoRoseC
I wonder also.
I remember they retrieved a pair of gloves from the crawl space....
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/sccrawlspace1.jpg)
With Gloves
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/scgloves.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 01, 2009, 02:29:52 PM
Hey Monkeys
This came in my email today:

It's been a busy month for PROTECT! With so much going on, we want to make sure we share the details with you.  Here's the latest news...

1. Alicia's Law

Recently we asked you to help us with Alicia's Law in Virginia.  Your calls and emails were heard in Richmond! We'll know soon whether Virginia state officials will do the right thing, and we'll have more updates for you soon.

2. California: Tracy 60

If you are a frequent Protect.org visitor, you may have noticed our banner highlight of the Tracy 60.  We are reaching out to officials in Tracy, CA requesting that they take action on the 60 child pornography traffickers identified in the  media during the initial investigation of the tragic murder of Sandra Cantu.  Tracking down these 60 known criminals will lead to other child victims who need rescue, and could set a nationwide precedent for future investigations involving missing children.

3. Federal Stimulus

As members and supporters know, PROTECT had a huge victory  when we secured $50 million in stimulus funds for state and local Internet Crimes Against Children task forces.  That money will start flowing over the next 2 months and will be used to locate and rescue children in every state.

4. Virginia Sunshine

After quite a fight, PROTECT succeeded in beginning to shed light on Virginia's child welfare system with legislation establishing a public website demonstrating how the system is performing.  Now we can expand on this groundbreaking and innovative report card.  A special thanks goes to residents outside of Virginia - even though your efforts will not immediately benefit the children in your state, this victory sets a precedent for other states to follow in the near future.

--THE STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS AT PROTECT

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/ss-tracy60.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 01, 2009, 02:47:07 PM
Thanks lonemonkey, some good news.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Wyks, you want to help me out with something?
Klass do you mind passing my email addy when you get a moment? Thanks!    ::MonkeyDance:: (You know I just love this little monkey dance. Reminds me of one of my kids and how they danced when they were about 2 years old. Warms my heart everytime I see it.)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: A's Fever on May 01, 2009, 03:43:30 PM
I read back a few pages and did not see this posted, but if it has been I apologize:

BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 01, 2009, 03:43:48 PM
Wyks, you want to help me out with something?
Klass do you mind passing my email addy when you get a moment? Thanks!    ::MonkeyDance:: (You know I just love this little monkey dance. Reminds me of one of my kids and how they danced when they were about 2 years old. Warms my heart everytime I see it.)


Sure Tracygirl! 

And yeah, the monkey dancing is my fav!  Have you seen what some of our creative monkeys have done with it?  They've superimposed NG, Greta, Geraldo, mmmm anyone else? on the dancing monkey.  We need JVM now!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 01, 2009, 03:47:45 PM
Hi wyks...haven't seen you too much lately...everything ok with you?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 03:57:55 PM
Connie lawless need to get her head out of the sand and see the light of day! Uggg, that article frustrated me.

Thanks Wykes, when you get a moment and you get my email address drop me a line!



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 01, 2009, 04:34:28 PM
Hi wyks...haven't seen you too much lately...everything ok with you?

Hi Cookie!  Yep, things are rolling right along, thanks for asking!

Seems that with Caylee and Haleigh's cases, there's little to work on until we get actual facts.  Rumors of rumors get to me after awhile and I tend to get a laid-back attitude until new facts come along.  Plus I'm so sick of the players in Caylee's case I just want to scream!  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/smiley-gahh.gif)  So I figured I'd be of more help for now in this case, altho I do still check in on Haleigh's case to keep caught up. 

Good to see you!   


 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 01, 2009, 04:49:15 PM
Connie lawless need to get her head out of the sand and see the light of day! Uggg, that article frustrated me.

Thanks Wykes, when you get a moment and you get my email address drop me a line!


Yes she does, Tracygirl!!  And I'll go check my email.   

That article IMO, is a perfect example of how to circle the wagons and whitewash the truth of what is very likely going on with that entire family.  Anyone reading it without realizing the rest of what that family is very likely doing, might go away wondering why anyone would have a prob with them.  And again IMO, they have perfected covering up, hiding what they are doing, behind their masks of 'good, church-going, God-fearing, Bible-preaching people.'  The house of cards is falling, and when it does, am thinking it will go down with a mighty crash. 

IMO, Lane and Connie are too close to the border for comfort.  Sure am hoping that LE is keeping an eye on them.  Would hate to have things blow wide open with them 3 steps and a hop from Mexico. 

When it's proven what they are doing.. I do wish it was possible to arrest them all for making a mockery of Christians, Baptists, Pastor's families, trust in authority, and etc .. everywhere. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 01, 2009, 05:09:52 PM
Connie lawless need to get her head out of the sand and see the light of day! Uggg, that article frustrated me.

Thanks Wykes, when you get a moment and you get my email address drop me a line!


You aren't kidding, especially this line, Lawless describes her oldest grandchild as kind, sweet, quiet and good with children.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 05:25:11 PM
Connie lawless need to get her head out of the sand and see the light of day! Uggg, that article frustrated me.

Thanks Wykes, when you get a moment and you get my email address drop me a line!


Yes she does, Tracygirl!!  And I'll go check my email.   

That article IMO, is a perfect example of how to circle the wagons and whitewash the truth of what is very likely going on with that entire family.  Anyone reading it without realizing the rest of what that family is very likely doing, might go away wondering why anyone would have a prob with them.  And again IMO, they have perfected covering up, hiding what they are doing, behind their masks of 'good, church-going, God-fearing, Bible-preaching people.'  The house of cards is falling, and when it does, am thinking it will go down with a mighty crash. 

IMO, Lane and Connie are too close to the border for comfort.  Sure am hoping that LE is keeping an eye on them.  Would hate to have things blow wide open with them 3 steps and a hop from Mexico. 

When it's proven what they are doing.. I do wish it was possible to arrest them all for making a mockery of Christians, Baptists, Pastor's families, trust in authority, and etc .. everywhere. 


LOL I am waiting for an email from you! We will both be waiting a long time. No j/k, I asked if Klass can send you my email addy, so when you get it drop me a line so I have yours! thanks again  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: spring2 on May 01, 2009, 05:25:25 PM
I have to say I have not heard that Sandra was killed in the crawlspace before, I wonder if that is accurate?
 
Hi NoRoseC
I wonder also.
I remember they retrieved a pair of gloves from the crawl space....
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With Gloves
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Maybe that's where she hid her until she put her in the suitcase. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 05:40:00 PM
Connie lawless need to get her head out of the sand and see the light of day! Uggg, that article frustrated me.

Thanks Wykes, when you get a moment and you get my email address drop me a line!


You aren't kidding, especially this line, Lawless describes her oldest grandchild as kind, sweet, quiet and good with children.  ::MonkeyEek::
Good with children? Ok Connie Lawless lets see....! Your dear loving granddaughter most likely drugged a child in January, did god knows what to her,  then, killed a child in March and god only knows what else....Yea really good with kids! Kind? Ok lets test that one shall we? She is expected of setting 2 fires in a home and leaving a note attached to a  baby bottle with gasoline in it, what a nice gal!

snipped from the artcle:
BLOCKED WEBSITE
What does this mean? The bapstist struggle to preserve the turth? What truth, all I see is a great big fat cover up from these people! So they play the victim, uggg that makes me angry!

I wish they would just not have services in that church. I think it is the ultimate in disrespect to continue on like nothing ever happened there. frustrates me to no end!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 01, 2009, 06:23:17 PM
I think it's interesting how the church membership at Clover first was reported as about 15 .. then about 20 .. now it's about 30.  It's tripled in just these couple of weeks or something?    ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyTongue:: 








Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 06:30:31 PM
I think it's interesting how the church membership at Clover first was reported as about 15 .. then about 20 .. now it's about 30.  It's tripled in just these couple of weeks or something?    ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyTongue:: 








The lawless/Harris clan are coming up from the bay area from the sound of it. Strange they would do that, isn't it? Why are they trying to make the church look like "just another happy place to worship"?



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 01, 2009, 06:44:27 PM
I think it's interesting how the church membership at Clover first was reported as about 15 .. then about 20 .. now it's about 30.  It's tripled in just these couple of weeks or something?    ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyTongue:: 


The lawless/Harris clan are coming up from the bay area from the sound of it. Strange they would do that, isn't it? Why are they trying to make the church look like "just another happy place to worship"?


IMO, just keeping up with appearances.  Perhaps trying to make the world see that things are 'just fine', maybe hoping to get the focus off the Lawless family and onto Melissa herself.  IMO, it's too late for that.  Seems the more they attempt to do, the worse it looks for them. 

Have heard sev times it reported that LE thinks Sandra was killed at that church.  In most towns, when there is a fatality at a certain place, business 'as usual' does not continue for awhile, but stops in it's tracks.  Part of that is just so folks can get a grip on their feelings, etc.  Part is so LE can do their investigation.  Part is out of respect for the family, etc.  And then there is the creepy feeling factor.  Among other reasons.   

What I'm wondering is why LE seems to have 'released' the property for business as usual.  Seems it must have been released since Easter Sunday, for them to be able to have services there.  Cannot wrap my mind around that either.  Why would LE do such a thing, if they think Sandra was killed there.  ?? 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 06:47:50 PM
Well this is sort of a start but they have about 60 people who are also needing to be arrested!
BTW, why can you not correspond an inmate? I don't think I have heard that before.


http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2485239-Police+arrest+10+in+Thursday+sweep+of+parolees&article-Police%20arrest%2010%20in%20Thursday%20sweep%20of%20parolees%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Police arrest 10 in Thursday sweep of parolees
by TP staffMay 01, 2009 | 360 views | 8  | 4  |  |  Tracy police arrested 10 people during a sweep of 14 parolees Thursday morning.

Police department spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said arrests were made on suspicion of drug violations, possession of weapons, possession of gang indicia, failure to register at a new address, and corresponding with inmates.

Gregory Candelaria 31, Antonio Castrellon 24, Ignacio Cervantes 25, Aaron Davies 26, Gregory Grimaldo 24, James Guitierrez 25, Jessie Hernandez 25, Arturo Hildago 25, Dianna Palmones 41, and James Turner 41 were all taken into custody and transported to San Joaquin County Jail pending their return to the California Department of Corrections


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
Maybe they were monitoring them or maybe certain area's were not allowed to be entered? The FBI did go back there after the sunday service a few times. Seems like evidence would be considered tampered with?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 01, 2009, 07:52:41 PM
Maybe they were monitoring them or maybe certain area's were not allowed to be entered? The FBI did go back there after the sunday service a few times. Seems like evidence would be considered tampered with?

That could be! 

And yeah, seems like any possible evidence could have been destroyed or tampered with, etc. 

About your earlier post, inmates are not allowed to get mail from former inmates who've gotten out.  They aren't allowed to get mail even from another inmate still inside, in a seperate area or something.  (Altho inmates inside can go to some elaborate ways of slipping each other notes).  Sometimes an inmate will have a family member write their messages to another inmate inmate inside.  And ex-cons sometimes do the same, have someone else write to a current inmate for them.  LE really tries to keep them seperate, so they can't make any plans and stuff like that. 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 01, 2009, 07:59:23 PM
Tracygirl, it seems that Klaas is busy or something, maybe hasn't seen your message yet.  Here's my email addy:  Myst_Wyks at yahoo dot com  No problem having it posted, it's not some federal secret or anything.  lol  Mods can delete if you need to. 

I just fixed it so spam bots can't pick up on it  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 08:01:43 PM
Thanks Wyks, I honestly didn't know that about the inmates. Makes sense.

Did Klaas send you my email addy?

Klaas would you mind terribly to send Wykes my addy I signed up with? I sure would appreciate it! Thanks!



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 08:02:39 PM
Thanks I will email you


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 01, 2009, 08:18:03 PM
Thanks I will email you

You got mail! thanks


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 01, 2009, 10:08:43 PM
okay, and thanks Klaas! 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 01, 2009, 10:30:07 PM
it would creep me out to go back into that church knowing that Sandra was most likely murdered there...I couldn't go back...course, I don't think that I would be a member there to begin with from the looks and sounds of things...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 02, 2009, 12:09:11 AM
After reading the San Joaquin Herald article posted on Blinks - well - I would say that was quite intriguing.  Anyway - we may have this already - but thought I would post it anyway.  A friend emailed it to me:

"Apparently before Huckaby was married, she was in Tracy and filed to obtain a temporary restraining order against Joshua Palmer.  I transcribed her account of this from a TV shot of the paper:
 
"April 17 Joshua Palmer arrived at my work? and Sat outside of it for over 2 1/2 hours Security cameras seen him and so we called the police
when they arrived he was sitting hiding next to my Car. He was asked to leave and I was escorted home. Incident Report is (available?)
 
April 18 Joshua Palmer called me on my cell phone telling me he needed to talk to me. So I went outside and he told me that he was going to make my life as miserable as ? and that he was going to kill me and a family friend Officer Dan Pasquale. He has been seen by other residents and our park manager numerous amounts of times in the middle of the night lurking around my house and the other...."
 
I think because Huckaby is charged with raping, kidnapping and murdering a female child, there is hardly any deep research regarding her male friends, and there are quite a few:
 
Christian Sinclair, 49
Johnny Huckaby (former husband)
Dan Pasquale, Tracy cop
Joshua Palmer
Fred Williams (helper, custodian at grandparents church)
David Slayter, 44
 
I don't mean that her male friends were involved in any child abuse, but the connections of these people to government and any criminal activity are just not explored. Also Huckaby listed herself as a "party organizer" on her website. I wish I knew of the parties she organized, if any, and whether she was employed to do so.  Must be someone in Tracy who "partied" with her or at one of her parties.  Was she an "event organizer" for businesses?  For fantasy football parties, or other fantasy sports parties related to Biosoftsports.com?  Virtual sports involved with "virtual" porn or children posing to these "virtual" events?
 
As you know child porn is put into all kind of images, and files and often sent peer to peer. Payment modes must also exist.  A possible way to pick up money and to share files is a firm, connected to gambling and baseball (kids love baseball) owned by Timothy John Lawless:

(I detect Lawless owns up to 9 domains, but it is necessary to pay to get detailed printouts for them like the one below and the Biosoftports is the only one I have, other than VendorConnects, Inc., with a website, under his umbrella corporation  Next Opportunity, Inc. I have also perplexed about who "J. Sickenger" is, on his reverse phone number from his verified home residence:
 
Reverse phone number for TJL’s verified address
916-984-0487
108 Monowood Dr, Folsom, CA
Source: Pipl.com
 
Phone number 916 984 0487 per DAPLUS
is reversed to J. Sickenger
Folsom CA 95630
 
BIOSPORTS DOMAIN INFORMATION
 
Source below: Whois.domaintools.com
 
"Timothy Lawless" owns about 9 other domains
 
omain:                          biosoftsports.com
created:                         21-Jul-2004
 
last-changed:                    09-May-2006
registration-expiration:         21-Jul-2010
 
nserver:                         ns47.1and1.com 74.208.2.7
nserver:                         ns48.1and1.com 74.208.3.6
 
registrant-firstname:            Timothy
registrant-lastname:             Lawless
registrant-street1:              3532 Debina WAY
registrant-pcode:                95670
registrant-state:                CA
 
registrant-city:                 Rancho Cordova
registrant-ccode:                US
registrant-phone:                +1.9168705111
 
egistrant-email:                weblanman@yahoo.com
 
tech-c-firstname:                Hostmaster
tech-c-lastname:                 ONEANDONE
tech-c-organization:             1&1 Internet Inc.
tech-c-street1:                  701 Lee Rd.
 
tech-c-pcode:                    19087
tech-c-state:                    PA
tech-c-city:                     Chesterbrook
tech-c-ccode:                    US
 
ech-c-phone:                    +1.8774612631
tech-c-fax:                      +1.6105601501
tech-c-email:                  hostmaster@1and1.com
 
 
http://www.biosoftsports.com/aboutus.asp
 
BIOSOFTSPORTS.COM  website:
 
"About us
 
BioSoft Sports’ History
 
BioSoft Sports utilizes the principles of biorhythms, coupled with decades of research, to make accurate predictions about personal performance, team performance and the outcome of sporting events.
 
Building Blocks
 
BioSoft Sports was created from the vision and tenacity of one man: Harvey Makishima. It all began when Makishima purchased a Kosmos biorhythm calculator in 1976. By analyzing NBA games, he soon realized that biorhythms affected the way players performed during the game, which ultimately affected the team's performance and the game’s outcome. He thought that his discovery was too obvious. In order to prove that these outcomes were not a fluke, he began to track the biorhythmic sine waves of each of the players using pen and paper.
 
After completing research to verify his initial findings, Makishima refined his system. He discovered that certain cycles were the key components in a player's performance. He had discovered the biorhythm secret! Using this secret method of biorhythm analysis and applying specific values to each segment of the biorhythmic sine waves, he was able to determine when athletes have the greatest potential for exceptional performance as well as select winners versus the spread with incredible accuracy.
 
As Luck Would Have It
 
Makishima reasoned that if biorhythms affected a player's performance in a game, they might also affect a person's business and personal life as well. In 1986, Makishima developed an Apple Basic application that incorporated his biorhythmic analysis methods. With this new application, he continued his biorhythms research on an individual level. He poured over data, recorded highly unusual events involving luck, and tracked hundreds of people's biorhythms.
 
With the help of the biorhythm software and interviews with real people, he discovered that the cycles do affect individuals! Just like players in the sports arena, a person's success rate is directly related to their Biorhythmic cycles.  Extraordinarily, he found that each of us has four days when we have the most potential for highly unusual luck. Makishima realized that he could determine when these four days would occur by analyzing a person's biorhythms!
 
A Company Is Born
 
In 1995, Makishima enlisted the help of a computer scientist to refine and upgrade his application. With the upgrade, the application could be used on a home PC and could incorporate databases containing vital information about specific sports. This program became the basis for the Biorhythm Secrets family of software: TeamBios, FantasyBio, BioCalendar and several other biorhythmic analysis software, which you can use to compute your personal daily biorhythms, or the biorhythms of an entire team. Using Team Bios, Makishima computed the outcome of over 60,000 NFL and NBA games, and obtained the same exceptional results that he had derived over 32 years earlier using pen and paper! Today, BioSoft Sports incorporates Harvey Makishima's vision and the science of biorhythms into all of its products.
 
Online Applications Become a Reality
 
In 2005, Makishima created a joint venture with BioSportsPro to make online versions of his software applications available via the Internet and in mobile devices such as mobile phones, PDAs, tablet PCs and laptops. Television will also be a viable media for Biosoft Sports’ products in the near future.
 
Want to learn more about the History of BioRhythms?"
 
End."



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 02, 2009, 09:50:27 AM
Sacsayhuan thanks for that, very interesting, I'm sure when everything comes out about Melissa and her friends, there will be a lot of things that will surprise us. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 02, 2009, 11:57:42 AM
Good Mornin' MOnkeys & Happy Saturday!
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 02, 2009, 05:34:30 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.tracypress.com/

The man who found Sandra
by Justin Lafferty / TP staff
05.01.09 - 11:34 pm

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Jose Luis Franco talks about the day he found the suitcase with Sandra Cantu's body. Glenn Moore/Tracy Pressslideshow

Farm worker Jose Luis Franco talks about the day he found the suitcase while he was working. Glenn Moore/Tracy Pressslideshow Thousands of volunteers, Tracy police officers and FBI agents searched around the clock earlier this month for Sandra Cantu.

But it was a dairy farmworker just going about his job who led to the discovery of the 8-year-old girl’s body.

Jose Luis Franco, 40, found a suitcase in a dairy lagoon on April 6 containing what was later found to be Sandra’s body and alerted the police. Later this month, the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation will reward him with a little more than $20,000 for his discovery, according to Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

Franco, who speaks only Spanish, said Friday night through translator Laura Flores that the reward is “like a blessing.”

He has worked for Bacchetti & Silva Dairy north of Tracy for 11 years. He plans to put most of the money in a trust fund for the education of his four children, hoping they can go to college.

Franco said the Tracy police and the foundation told him a week ago that he’d earned the reward money, but he hadn’t told anyone but his wife, Margarita Franco, and his children. He said he was waiting until he actually has the check in his hand, adding that the rest of his family and friends will surely be happy for him when he tells them.

“I thought of spending it (at first),” Margarita said jokingly, through the translator. “We’ll pay for our children’s education. It’s going to come in handy.”

Scott Webb, the foundation’s executive director, said Franco will get the money within the next couple of weeks. Webb said the foundation put up $5,000 initially, and the rest of the money came from donations.

“It’s very important that common people come forward and help to share information to solve the case,” Webb said, “so I’m very glad that they took the time to do that.”

Franco said he was nervous when he first found the suitcase, but after police and FBI told him he wasn’t going to be held responsible for anything, he was able to relax.

The Francos moved to Tracy in 1991 from Jalisco, Mexico, where Jose was born. Before he worked for Bacchetti & Silva, he worked for a farm in Mountain House.

While Franco will receive the reward money, a few psychics have come forward recently, saying they felt the money should be theirs.

Sheneman said that the money will go only to Franco.

“We did not review or utilize any tips or information provided to us by psychics,” he said.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Justin Lafferty at 830-4269 or jlafferty@tracypress.com



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 02, 2009, 07:15:30 PM
Thank you Klaas.  It is good to see he will get the reward money & is using it for his children's education.  Well deserved!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 02, 2009, 07:33:07 PM
Thank you Klaas.  It is good to see he will get the reward money & is using it for his children's education.  Well deserved!
Thanks, I totally agree.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 02, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
Thank you Klaas.  It is good to see he will get the reward money & is using it for his children's education.  Well deserved!
Thanks, I totally agree.

It must have been horrible for him to find.  I'm sure he knew there was a body in that luggage when he found it.  He didn't know who but I'm sure he knew something was in it.   

He definately deserves the reward!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 02, 2009, 08:09:44 PM
Thank you Klaas.  It is good to see he will get the reward money & is using it for his children's education.  Well deserved!
Thanks, I totally agree.

It must have been horrible for him to find.  I'm sure he knew there was a body in that luggage when he found it.  He didn't know who but I'm sure he knew something was in it.   

He definately deserves the reward!

I agree.  He knew a little girl was missing & the possibility of what was in that suitcase.  I can't imagine the thoughts that went through his head when he found it.  And he was smart enough not to open it, but to report it.  Cudos to him!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 02, 2009, 08:14:40 PM
Thank you for the updates.  With the gag order, it is very slow going!

Good night monkeys.  I'm going to check the Haleigh thread, then dinner & bed for me.

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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 02, 2009, 08:16:23 PM
Thank you Klaas.  It is good to see he will get the reward money & is using it for his children's education.  Well deserved!
Thanks, I totally agree.

It must have been horrible for him to find.  I'm sure he knew there was a body in that luggage when he found it.  He didn't know who but I'm sure he knew something was in it.   

He definately deserves the reward!

I agree.  He knew a little girl was missing & the possibility of what was in that suitcase.  I can't imagine the thoughts that went through his head when he found it.  And he was smart enough not to open it, but to report it.  Cudos to him!

yep;;;good for him that he reported it.....
wonder what tipped him off though...would most people upon seeing a suitcase in the water think that it was odd, but would you consider that a body was in it? did he lift it and realized that something was in there because of the weight of it?
thank goodness he had enough savvy to report it...otherwise it might have been longer before Sandra was found...sadly...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 02, 2009, 09:17:10 PM
Cookie - IMO, the suitcase was out of place, it didn't belong there.  So he went to move it to the side of the irrigation ditch.  When he moved it he probably got close enough to smell something was dead in the bag.  He didn't know who or what but knew enough to call LE. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 02, 2009, 09:32:19 PM
Cookie - IMO, the suitcase was out of place, it didn't belong there.  So he went to move it to the side of the irrigation ditch.  When he moved it he probably got close enough to smell something was dead in the bag.  He didn't know who or what but knew enough to call LE. 


ahhhhhh....I see...I didn't think about the smell...
now that makes perfect sense....thanks....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 03, 2009, 02:40:34 AM
Glad to know he is taking the money. I had read somewhere he was saying he didn't want it. Or maybe that was the detective saying that? Anyway, glad he is and it is going to a good cause.
I bet though this will shake him up for the rest of his life. I cannot imagine finding something like that. It would just change you, kwim? Poor man I feel badly for him.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 03, 2009, 06:35:09 AM
Thank you Klaas.  It is good to see he will get the reward money & is using it for his children's education.  Well deserved!

TRACY, CA - A Tracy dairy farmworker who found the remains of 8-year-old murder victim Sandra Cantu last month will receive a reward of more than $20,000 for the discovery, a Tracy police spokesman confirmed Saturday.

Jose Luis Franco, 40, is expected to get a check later this month from the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation, Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

ARCHIVE: See past News10 coverage of the Sandra Cantu case

Franco, an employee at Bacchetti & Silva Dairy north of Tracy, found the girl's body in a suitcase dumped in an irrigation pond April 6. The discovery came 10 days after Sandra Cantu was reported missing from her home at a nearby mobile home park.

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=58766&catid=2


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 03, 2009, 07:36:54 AM
I’ve googled Dan Pasquale. The few articles available portray him as a level headed dedicated Police Officer. It’s possible that MH made too much of the relationship in order to scare off Joshua Palmer. I’m sure Pasquale has been questioned since I have seen his name before linked to MH - probably because of these Incident Reports. Public authority figures are always vulnerable to people like MH making the relationship more than what it is. I feel Pasquale is not someone of concern - Now Joshua Palmer on the other hand is someone to look at. Why was he stalking her ? These Incident Reports were made before MH was married - so they are fairly old - maybe Palmer is long gone.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 03, 2009, 10:14:58 AM
I’ve googled Dan Pasquale. The few articles available portray him as a level headed dedicated Police Officer. It’s possible that MH made too much of the relationship in order to scare off Joshua Palmer. I’m sure Pasquale has been questioned since I have seen his name before linked to MH - probably because of these Incident Reports. Public authority figures are always vulnerable to people like MH making the relationship more than what it is. I feel Pasquale is not someone of concern - Now Joshua Palmer on the other hand is someone to look at. Why was he stalking her ? These Incident Reports were made before MH was married - so they are fairly old - maybe Palmer is long gone.


I'm even wondering if Melissa made this up to some degree about this Palmer guy, it wouldn't surprise me at all, so she could get attention.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 03, 2009, 04:49:54 PM
Thanks for posting that article Klaas! ::MonkeyRoll::
It's nice to know something positive has come from this case!
Great story....
 LM


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 03, 2009, 04:51:21 PM
Sacsayhuan thanks for that, very interesting, I'm sure when everything comes out about Melissa and her friends, there will be a lot of things that will surprise us. ::MonkeyEek::

Hi NoRoseC! ::MonkeyDance::
Happy Sunday to ya!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 03, 2009, 06:41:12 PM
I’ve googled Dan Pasquale. The few articles available portray him as a level headed dedicated Police Officer. It’s possible that MH made too much of the relationship in order to scare off Joshua Palmer. I’m sure Pasquale has been questioned since I have seen his name before linked to MH - probably because of these Incident Reports. Public authority figures are always vulnerable to people like MH making the relationship more than what it is. I feel Pasquale is not someone of concern - Now Joshua Palmer on the other hand is someone to look at. Why was he stalking her ? These Incident Reports were made before MH was married - so they are fairly old - maybe Palmer is long gone.



Funny, you bring up Pasquale.  I looked him up too. 
I found a listing for a student at Mission San Jose HighSchool from 1989-1993:

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=532674061

I also found Sgt. Dan Pasquale in Fremont, CA (but looks like this one is older?)  The article is about a sting operation involving computers back in 1986:  (The article was written in 2004)

http://www.robson.org/gary/writing/bbs-stings.html

(snipped from article):

"The Revenger and the Phreaker's Phortress
In 1985, most police officers had never used a computer, and had no idea what a modem was. Sgt. Dan Pasquale of the Fremont Police was an exception.

Fremont, California is big enough to be called a city, but small enough to feel like a town. There are no high-rise office buildings, subways, and other trappings of big-city life. The police headquarters building overlooks a big lake in Central Park, and has a view of the mountains at the edge of town. With 100 square miles of land, Fremont has plenty of space to spread out, and it does.

Fremont, however, is no stranger to technology. It is at the edge of Silicon Valley, a few miles from San Jose. It was inevitable that technophiles would find their way onto the Fremont Police Department, and Pasquale was one of the first. "


I also found a few articles out of Tracy, CA with Pasquale mentioned, but nothing of interest.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 03, 2009, 06:48:29 PM
I’ve googled Dan Pasquale. The few articles available portray him as a level headed dedicated Police Officer. It’s possible that MH made too much of the relationship in order to scare off Joshua Palmer. I’m sure Pasquale has been questioned since I have seen his name before linked to MH - probably because of these Incident Reports. Public authority figures are always vulnerable to people like MH making the relationship more than what it is. I feel Pasquale is not someone of concern - Now Joshua Palmer on the other hand is someone to look at. Why was he stalking her ? These Incident Reports were made before MH was married - so they are fairly old - maybe Palmer is long gone.


I'm even wondering if Melissa made this up to some degree about this Palmer guy, it wouldn't surprise me at all, so she could get attention.

I think that she made it up...he hasn't even come out to defend himself on any of the stalking allegations has he? he probably is distancing himself from Melissa and the whole scenario jmo


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 03, 2009, 08:52:34 PM
Any of this sound familiar?

Most charges dropped in ritual sex abuse cases
Allegations of molestation involved families in rural southwest Missouri


WASHBURN, Mo. - There was a lot of public attention when leaders of two obscure churches in the Ozarks woods were accused of ceremonially abusing girls, preparing them for "service to God" by molesting them.  The allegations involved extended families in southwest Missouri, a largely rural area that has one of the state's highest rates of reported child abuse and has had other high-profile abuse cases.  But nearly three years later, the cases have almost completely unraveled: Only one of the six defendants remains charged, and he is free on bail while waiting for a yet-to-be-scheduled trial.

Most church members moved away. 

All six defendants, related by blood or marriage, pleaded not guilty. Hearing after hearing was held. Many of the approximately 100 members of the churches moved away.  "This is exactly what I didn't want to happen," said Erin Willis, attorney for one of the accusers. "What I wanted is for them to feel vindicated, for them to come through it feeling like the legal process served them as it was meant to.
"I'm not sure we accomplished that here."

The charges surfaced 2006 when a handful of young women from Grand Valley Independent Baptist Church and Grandview Valley Baptist Church North told authorities they had been sexually abused, some since the 1970s. 

Raymond Lambert, pastor of Grand Valley Independent Baptist Church in McDonald County, was charged with molesting two girls with the help of his wife, Patty Lambert, over 10 years. The girls were allegedly told their bodies were being prepared "for service to God."  Also accused of abuse were Tom Epling, 54, and his brother, Paul Epling, 56. Tom Epling's wife, Laura Epling, was accused of helping Lambert abuse a girl.

George Otis Johnston, Lambert's uncle and pastor of nearby Grandview Valley Baptist Church North in Newton County, was accused of telling an alleged victim he "was ordained by God to fulfill her needs as a woman" and that "if she would have sexual intercourse with him that she would remain a virgin and remain pure."  The girl told investigators she refused intercourse but continued to be molested.

Statute of limitations led to dismissal
However, the statute of limitations led to dismissal of charges against the Epling brothers since their alleged crimes had taken place in the 1970s and 1980s.  In late 2007, McDonald County prosecutors abruptly dropped charges against Patty Lambert, 51, and Laura Epling, 52.
And in June 2008, McDonald County Prosecutor Janice Durbin dropped all charges against Raymond Lambert, just weeks before he was to stand trial for child molestation, statutory sodomy and sexual abuse.  She said the charges were dropped because the alleged victims decided "they can no longer subject themselves or their families to the ongoing scrutiny and pressures of a very public proceeding."
"In no way does this dismissal reflect the state's opinion about the validity of the charges against the defendant," Durbin said.
Charges are still pending against Johnston, 66, who has pleaded innocent to 17 felonies. His lawyer, Andrew Wood, did not return calls seeking comment.

Child abuse cases can present challenges in rural areas, said Victor Vieth, director of the National Child Protection Training Center in Winona, Minn.  "In small, rural communities, everybody knows everybody else," Vieth said. "They've known everybody else for generations. But that doesn't mean it can't be handled successfully.

Lack of expertise in rural cases

A lack of national experts on child abuse with rural backgrounds could also be an issue in how well rural cases are processed, Vieth said.
"The vast majority of experts don't have the background where they had to figure out how to do all of this in a rural community," he said.
The southwest Missouri region, which ranked No. 1 in hot line calls for children in 2006, has seen other attention-grabbing abuse cases. Among them were 2-year-old Dominic James, who was shaken to death by a foster parent in 2002, and 9-year-old Rowan Ford, who was found raped and killed in 2007 — her stepfather and a friend of his are charged in the case.  The region also ranked first in the number of children in state custody in 2006 and in the number of substantiated child abuse/neglect cases and family assessments, according to the Department of Social Services.  "We have always had higher numbers in southwest Missouri," said Barbara Brown, executive director of the Child Advocacy Center in Springfield. "The age-old question is, is this because we're good at reporting abuse or because we have more?"
Brown, whose agency saw a record 836 alleged child victims last year, said reporting is part of the answer.  "But I don't think that's all of it," she said. Poverty and drugs also contribute, Brown said.

Lambert, 54, maintains his innocence and says he's "thankful that everybody is doing well, and that we're able to move on."
'It takes a saint to go through that'  Amey Burkett, 35, claims she was abused by people other than Lambert while she grew up in Lambert's church. She supported Lambert's accusers, but also understood when they became weary of the process.
"It gets frustrating after a while, getting nowhere, nothing happening. ... The judicial system, it takes a saint to go through that," said Burkett. "It felt like you were stuck and couldn't move."

Burkett, who has moved away from Lambert's 100-acre spread with her husband and children, has mixed feelings about Lambert.
"Even though (Lambert) did bad things, and I didn't approve of it, I know that was passed down to him through generations. This was three or four generations deep," she said. "He raised me. ... I still love him, and I really didn't ever want him hurt, even though I knew what he did was wrong."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30548288/


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 03, 2009, 09:05:07 PM
Any of this sound familiar?

Most charges dropped in ritual sex abuse cases
Allegations of molestation involved families in rural southwest Missouri


WASHBURN, Mo. - There was a lot of public attention when leaders of two obscure churches in the Ozarks woods were accused of ceremonially abusing girls, preparing them for "service to God" by molesting them.  The allegations involved extended families in southwest Missouri, a largely rural area that has one of the state's highest rates of reported child abuse and has had other high-profile abuse cases.  But nearly three years later, the cases have almost completely unraveled: Only one of the six defendants remains charged, and he is free on bail while waiting for a yet-to-be-scheduled trial.

Most church members moved away. 

All six defendants, related by blood or marriage, pleaded not guilty. Hearing after hearing was held. Many of the approximately 100 members of the churches moved away.  "This is exactly what I didn't want to happen," said Erin Willis, attorney for one of the accusers. "What I wanted is for them to feel vindicated, for them to come through it feeling like the legal process served them as it was meant to.
"I'm not sure we accomplished that here."

The charges surfaced 2006 when a handful of young women from Grand Valley Independent Baptist Church and Grandview Valley Baptist Church North told authorities they had been sexually abused, some since the 1970s. 

Raymond Lambert, pastor of Grand Valley Independent Baptist Church in McDonald County, was charged with molesting two girls with the help of his wife, Patty Lambert, over 10 years. The girls were allegedly told their bodies were being prepared "for service to God."  Also accused of abuse were Tom Epling, 54, and his brother, Paul Epling, 56. Tom Epling's wife, Laura Epling, was accused of helping Lambert abuse a girl.

George Otis Johnston, Lambert's uncle and pastor of nearby Grandview Valley Baptist Church North in Newton County, was accused of telling an alleged victim he "was ordained by God to fulfill her needs as a woman" and that "if she would have sexual intercourse with him that she would remain a virgin and remain pure."  The girl told investigators she refused intercourse but continued to be molested.

Statute of limitations led to dismissal
However, the statute of limitations led to dismissal of charges against the Epling brothers since their alleged crimes had taken place in the 1970s and 1980s.  In late 2007, McDonald County prosecutors abruptly dropped charges against Patty Lambert, 51, and Laura Epling, 52.
And in June 2008, McDonald County Prosecutor Janice Durbin dropped all charges against Raymond Lambert, just weeks before he was to stand trial for child molestation, statutory sodomy and sexual abuse.  She said the charges were dropped because the alleged victims decided "they can no longer subject themselves or their families to the ongoing scrutiny and pressures of a very public proceeding."
"In no way does this dismissal reflect the state's opinion about the validity of the charges against the defendant," Durbin said.
Charges are still pending against Johnston, 66, who has pleaded innocent to 17 felonies. His lawyer, Andrew Wood, did not return calls seeking comment.

Child abuse cases can present challenges in rural areas, said Victor Vieth, director of the National Child Protection Training Center in Winona, Minn.  "In small, rural communities, everybody knows everybody else," Vieth said. "They've known everybody else for generations. But that doesn't mean it can't be handled successfully.

Lack of expertise in rural cases

A lack of national experts on child abuse with rural backgrounds could also be an issue in how well rural cases are processed, Vieth said.
"The vast majority of experts don't have the background where they had to figure out how to do all of this in a rural community," he said.
The southwest Missouri region, which ranked No. 1 in hot line calls for children in 2006, has seen other attention-grabbing abuse cases. Among them were 2-year-old Dominic James, who was shaken to death by a foster parent in 2002, and 9-year-old Rowan Ford, who was found raped and killed in 2007 — her stepfather and a friend of his are charged in the case.  The region also ranked first in the number of children in state custody in 2006 and in the number of substantiated child abuse/neglect cases and family assessments, according to the Department of Social Services.  "We have always had higher numbers in southwest Missouri," said Barbara Brown, executive director of the Child Advocacy Center in Springfield. "The age-old question is, is this because we're good at reporting abuse or because we have more?"
Brown, whose agency saw a record 836 alleged child victims last year, said reporting is part of the answer.  "But I don't think that's all of it," she said. Poverty and drugs also contribute, Brown said.

Lambert, 54, maintains his innocence and says he's "thankful that everybody is doing well, and that we're able to move on."
'It takes a saint to go through that'  Amey Burkett, 35, claims she was abused by people other than Lambert while she grew up in Lambert's church. She supported Lambert's accusers, but also understood when they became weary of the process.
"It gets frustrating after a while, getting nowhere, nothing happening. ... The judicial system, it takes a saint to go through that," said Burkett. "It felt like you were stuck and couldn't move."

Burkett, who has moved away from Lambert's 100-acre spread with her husband and children, has mixed feelings about Lambert.
"Even though (Lambert) did bad things, and I didn't approve of it, I know that was passed down to him through generations. This was three or four generations deep," she said. "He raised me. ... I still love him, and I really didn't ever want him hurt, even though I knew what he did was wrong."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30548288/

Thanks for the article JessStar! 

The victim grows up and reports the abuse, is either not believed or told the statue of limitations have run, or it actually is investigated and taken to court, only to have charges dropped.  Perps get embarrassed at having been caught, move away.  Begin the abuse in another unsuspecting area. 

Victims are the losers.  Over and over again. 

Perps are free to repeat. 

Round and round it goes. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 03, 2009, 09:17:59 PM


Thanks for the article JessStar! 

The victim grows up and reports the abuse, is either not believed or told the statue of limitations have run, or it actually is investigated and taken to court, only to have charges dropped.  Perps get embarrassed at having been caught, move away.  Begin the abuse in another unsuspecting area. 

Victims are the losers.  Over and over again. 

Perps are free to repeat. 

Round and round it goes. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyWaa::


It's unbelievable, isn't it Wyks?  I just can't, for the life of me, understand how we managed to get our priorities so screwed up.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 03, 2009, 09:34:09 PM


Thanks for the article JessStar! 

The victim grows up and reports the abuse, is either not believed or told the statue of limitations have run, or it actually is investigated and taken to court, only to have charges dropped.  Perps get embarrassed at having been caught, move away.  Begin the abuse in another unsuspecting area. 

Victims are the losers.  Over and over again. 

Perps are free to repeat. 

Round and round it goes. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyWaa::


It's unbelievable, isn't it Wyks?  I just can't, for the life of me, understand how we managed to get our priorities so screwed up.


It sure is, JessStar!  Hard to know where we lost it all, hard to know how to get it all back.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 03, 2009, 09:34:57 PM
Have you guys seen the new monkey icon? 

------->>>   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 03, 2009, 09:40:17 PM


Thanks for the article JessStar! 

The victim grows up and reports the abuse, is either not believed or told the statue of limitations have run, or it actually is investigated and taken to court, only to have charges dropped.  Perps get embarrassed at having been caught, move away.  Begin the abuse in another unsuspecting area. 

Victims are the losers.  Over and over again. 

Perps are free to repeat. 

Round and round it goes. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyWaa::


It's unbelievable, isn't it Wyks?  I just can't, for the life of me, understand how we managed to get our priorities so screwed up.


It sure is, JessStar!  Hard to know where we lost it all, hard to know how to get it all back.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


very messed up isn't it?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 03, 2009, 09:40:45 PM
Have you guys seen the new monkey icon? 

------->>>   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::

didn't see that before Wyks! I like it!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 03, 2009, 09:58:07 PM
Have you guys seen the new monkey icon? 

------->>>   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::

didn't see that before Wyks! I like it!  ::MonkeyDevil::

I like it too, Cookie!  Someone snuck it into the lineup!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 04, 2009, 09:07:41 AM
[size=20OT--NOT SURE WHERE TO POST THIS--NEW ABDUCTED CHILD ALERTpt][/size]


SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. —  A 3-year-old boy was kidnapped by two gunmen who broke into his family's home, tied up his mother and her five children, robbed the house and left with the child, authorities said.

The California Highway Patrol issued an Amber Alert late Sunday for 3-year-old Briant Rodriguez, about nine hours after he was taken from his San Bernardino home.

The men, each carrying a handgun, burst through the front door of the home, tied up the family, then ransacked the house and stole money and property, said Cindy Beavers, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

The men then left with Briant and told the still-bound mother and four other children not to call police.

One of the children freed himself then untied the rest of the family, Beavers said. Beavers did not know the ages of the rest of the children but said she believed Briant was the youngest.

The mother told investigators she did not know the two Hispanic men, one estimated to be 18 years old, the other 24.

"We have no idea why they took the child," Beavers said. "They were strangers to the whole family."

No witnesses saw the men's vehicle.

Briant is a Hispanic boy 3 feet tall and weighs 40 pounds, with brown eyes and long, curly brown hair. He was wearing a yellow shirt, blue-striped shorts and black sandals when he was taken.

San Bernardino is about 60 miles east of downtown Los Angeles




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 04, 2009, 10:44:38 AM
Thanks JessStar for that article, I will follow this closely, maybe more details will emerge, and hopefully the little boy will be found unharmed  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 04, 2009, 11:23:04 AM
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SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. —  A 3-year-old boy was kidnapped by two gunmen who broke into his family's home, tied up his mother and her five children, robbed the house and left with the child, authorities said.

The California Highway Patrol issued an Amber Alert late Sunday for 3-year-old Briant Rodriguez, about nine hours after he was taken from his San Bernardino home.

The men, each carrying a handgun, burst through the front door of the home, tied up the family, then ransacked the house and stole money and property, said Cindy Beavers, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

The men then left with Briant and told the still-bound mother and four other children not to call police.

One of the children freed himself then untied the rest of the family, Beavers said. Beavers did not know the ages of the rest of the children but said she believed Briant was the youngest.

The mother told investigators she did not know the two Hispanic men, one estimated to be 18 years old, the other 24.

"We have no idea why they took the child," Beavers said. "They were strangers to the whole family."

No witnesses saw the men's vehicle.

Briant is a Hispanic boy 3 feet tall and weighs 40 pounds, with brown eyes and long, curly brown hair. He was wearing a yellow shirt, blue-striped shorts and black sandals when he was taken.

San Bernardino is about 60 miles east of downtown Los Angeles




OMG that is so scary! Poor baby!!!  Please keep us updated on this.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: k9ohana on May 04, 2009, 11:36:44 AM
[size=20OT--NOT SURE WHERE TO POST THIS--NEW ABDUCTED CHILD ALERTpt][/size]


SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. —  A 3-year-old boy was kidnapped by two gunmen who broke into his family's home, tied up his mother and her five children, robbed the house and left with the child, authorities said.

The California Highway Patrol issued an Amber Alert late Sunday for 3-year-old Briant Rodriguez, about nine hours after he was taken from his San Bernardino home.

The men, each carrying a handgun, burst through the front door of the home, tied up the family, then ransacked the house and stole money and property, said Cindy Beavers, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

The men then left with Briant and told the still-bound mother and four other children not to call police.

One of the children freed himself then untied the rest of the family, Beavers said. Beavers did not know the ages of the rest of the children but said she believed Briant was the youngest.

The mother told investigators she did not know the two Hispanic men, one estimated to be 18 years old, the other 24.

"We have no idea why they took the child," Beavers said. "They were strangers to the whole family."

No witnesses saw the men's vehicle.

Briant is a Hispanic boy 3 feet tall and weighs 40 pounds, with brown eyes and long, curly brown hair. He was wearing a yellow shirt, blue-striped shorts and black sandals when he was taken.

San Bernardino is about 60 miles east of downtown Los Angeles



Beyond terrifying! I hope he is home safely and soon.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 04, 2009, 11:44:07 AM
[size=20OT--NOT SURE WHERE TO POST THIS--NEW ABDUCTED CHILD ALERTpt][/size]


SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. —  A 3-year-old boy was kidnapped by two gunmen who broke into his family's home, tied up his mother and her five children, robbed the house and left with the child, authorities said.

The California Highway Patrol issued an Amber Alert late Sunday for 3-year-old Briant Rodriguez, about nine hours after he was taken from his San Bernardino home.

The men, each carrying a handgun, burst through the front door of the home, tied up the family, then ransacked the house and stole money and property, said Cindy Beavers, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

The men then left with Briant and told the still-bound mother and four other children not to call police.

One of the children freed himself then untied the rest of the family, Beavers said. Beavers did not know the ages of the rest of the children but said she believed Briant was the youngest.

The mother told investigators she did not know the two Hispanic men, one estimated to be 18 years old, the other 24.

"We have no idea why they took the child," Beavers said. "They were strangers to the whole family."

No witnesses saw the men's vehicle.

Briant is a Hispanic boy 3 feet tall and weighs 40 pounds, with brown eyes and long, curly brown hair. He was wearing a yellow shirt, blue-striped shorts and black sandals when he was taken.

San Bernardino is about 60 miles east of downtown Los Angeles




OMG that is so scary! Poor baby!!!  Please keep us updated on this.

I started a new thread in the Crimes Against Children forum.  If I hear anything, I'll post it there.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2009, 01:36:50 PM
Any of this sound familiar?

Most charges dropped in ritual sex abuse cases
Allegations of molestation involved families in rural southwest Missouri


WASHBURN, Mo. - There was a lot of public attention when leaders of two obscure churches in the Ozarks woods were accused of ceremonially abusing girls, preparing them for "service to God" by molesting them.  The allegations involved extended families in southwest Missouri, a largely rural area that has one of the state's highest rates of reported child abuse and has had other high-profile abuse cases.  But nearly three years later, the cases have almost completely unraveled: Only one of the six defendants remains charged, and he is free on bail while waiting for a yet-to-be-scheduled trial.

Most church members moved away. 

All six defendants, related by blood or marriage, pleaded not guilty. Hearing after hearing was held. Many of the approximately 100 members of the churches moved away.  "This is exactly what I didn't want to happen," said Erin Willis, attorney for one of the accusers. "What I wanted is for them to feel vindicated, for them to come through it feeling like the legal process served them as it was meant to.
"I'm not sure we accomplished that here."

The charges surfaced 2006 when a handful of young women from Grand Valley Independent Baptist Church and Grandview Valley Baptist Church North told authorities they had been sexually abused, some since the 1970s. 

Raymond Lambert, pastor of Grand Valley Independent Baptist Church in McDonald County, was charged with molesting two girls with the help of his wife, Patty Lambert, over 10 years. The girls were allegedly told their bodies were being prepared "for service to God."  Also accused of abuse were Tom Epling, 54, and his brother, Paul Epling, 56. Tom Epling's wife, Laura Epling, was accused of helping Lambert abuse a girl.

George Otis Johnston, Lambert's uncle and pastor of nearby Grandview Valley Baptist Church North in Newton County, was accused of telling an alleged victim he "was ordained by God to fulfill her needs as a woman" and that "if she would have sexual intercourse with him that she would remain a virgin and remain pure."  The girl told investigators she refused intercourse but continued to be molested.

Statute of limitations led to dismissal
However, the statute of limitations led to dismissal of charges against the Epling brothers since their alleged crimes had taken place in the 1970s and 1980s.  In late 2007, McDonald County prosecutors abruptly dropped charges against Patty Lambert, 51, and Laura Epling, 52.
And in June 2008, McDonald County Prosecutor Janice Durbin dropped all charges against Raymond Lambert, just weeks before he was to stand trial for child molestation, statutory sodomy and sexual abuse.  She said the charges were dropped because the alleged victims decided "they can no longer subject themselves or their families to the ongoing scrutiny and pressures of a very public proceeding."
"In no way does this dismissal reflect the state's opinion about the validity of the charges against the defendant," Durbin said.
Charges are still pending against Johnston, 66, who has pleaded innocent to 17 felonies. His lawyer, Andrew Wood, did not return calls seeking comment.

Child abuse cases can present challenges in rural areas, said Victor Vieth, director of the National Child Protection Training Center in Winona, Minn.  "In small, rural communities, everybody knows everybody else," Vieth said. "They've known everybody else for generations. But that doesn't mean it can't be handled successfully.

Lack of expertise in rural cases

A lack of national experts on child abuse with rural backgrounds could also be an issue in how well rural cases are processed, Vieth said.
"The vast majority of experts don't have the background where they had to figure out how to do all of this in a rural community," he said.
The southwest Missouri region, which ranked No. 1 in hot line calls for children in 2006, has seen other attention-grabbing abuse cases. Among them were 2-year-old Dominic James, who was shaken to death by a foster parent in 2002, and 9-year-old Rowan Ford, who was found raped and killed in 2007 — her stepfather and a friend of his are charged in the case.  The region also ranked first in the number of children in state custody in 2006 and in the number of substantiated child abuse/neglect cases and family assessments, according to the Department of Social Services.  "We have always had higher numbers in southwest Missouri," said Barbara Brown, executive director of the Child Advocacy Center in Springfield. "The age-old question is, is this because we're good at reporting abuse or because we have more?"
Brown, whose agency saw a record 836 alleged child victims last year, said reporting is part of the answer.  "But I don't think that's all of it," she said. Poverty and drugs also contribute, Brown said.

Lambert, 54, maintains his innocence and says he's "thankful that everybody is doing well, and that we're able to move on."
'It takes a saint to go through that'  Amey Burkett, 35, claims she was abused by people other than Lambert while she grew up in Lambert's church. She supported Lambert's accusers, but also understood when they became weary of the process.
"It gets frustrating after a while, getting nowhere, nothing happening. ... The judicial system, it takes a saint to go through that," said Burkett. "It felt like you were stuck and couldn't move."

Burkett, who has moved away from Lambert's 100-acre spread with her husband and children, has mixed feelings about Lambert.
"Even though (Lambert) did bad things, and I didn't approve of it, I know that was passed down to him through generations. This was three or four generations deep," she said. "He raised me. ... I still love him, and I really didn't ever want him hurt, even though I knew what he did was wrong."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30548288/

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There is something wrong with the legal systems when these monsters are allowed to roam free to prey on innocent children.

Janet


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2009, 02:00:02 PM
Although I had a hinky feeling prior ... a light went off when I read the following regarding lane Lawless being question in regard to a child abuse allegation as well as his granddaughter.

The FBI should be connecting all the dots as well as all the allegations encompassing the connections.

Janet

++++++

Cantu Investigators Visit Washington Church
Slaying Suspect Expected In Court

theKCRAchannel.com
updated 2:15 p.m. PT, Tues., April 28,


Earlier this month, the FBI went to the First Church of God in Clarkston, Wash., to ask questions about Lane Lawless, who is Huckaby's grandfather and currently serves as pastor of Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy.

Huckaby, who was set to return to a Stockton courtroom on Friday, has been charged with murdering Cantu.

Meanwhile, a source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30388362/



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 05, 2009, 09:41:50 AM
Kidnap Survivor Severely Hurt In Vallejo CrashVALLEJO (CBS13) ―

May 1, 2009

She survived being kidnapped by a killer as an 8-year-old and helped in the search for little Sandra Cantu, now 16-year-old Midsi Sanchez is recovering from severe injuries in a hospital after a horrific accident overnight that also hurt three other women.

The now-16 year-old Sanchez was eight when she was abducted from her home in Vallejo by Curtis Dean Anderson. She escaped three days later.

Sanchez was one of four people hurt overnight in Vallejo when a truck they were traveling in lost control and flipped several times and ended up on an embankment. Midsi was a passenger in the truck and was ejected in the crash. She was taken by helicopter to John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek. The Mercury News is reporting that Midsi is suffering from a broken neck and a punctured lung.

Two other passengers, both 20, were able to get out on their own and were taken to a hospital in Vallejo. The driver who is also 20 was trapped in the truck for 30 minutes before crews could get her out. Vallejo Police say it appears the driver of the truck was intoxicated.

Midsi survived her own kidnapping ordeal back in 2000 when she was kidnapped by Curtis Dean Anderson. 8-year-old Midsi was shackled to the front seat of Anderson’s car for two days and managed to escape by getting hold of the keys, flagging down a passing truck and diving through the open window.

Anderson was later convicted in Midsi’s kidnapping and also pleaded guilty to the 1999 kidnapping, molestation and murder of 7-year-old Xiana Fairchild.

Midsi helped post flyers in March after 8-year-old Sandra Cantu went missing in Tracy. Midsi had been eating at a fast-food restaurant in Tracy when she heard about Sandra and said she felt compelled to help.

http://ow.ly/4Hb3



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 05, 2009, 09:56:15 AM
Kidnap Survivor Severely Hurt In Vallejo CrashVALLEJO (CBS13) ―

May 1, 2009

She survived being kidnapped by a killer as an 8-year-old and helped in the search for little Sandra Cantu, now 16-year-old Midsi Sanchez is recovering from severe injuries in a hospital after a horrific accident overnight that also hurt three other women.

The now-16 year-old Sanchez was eight when she was abducted from her home in Vallejo by Curtis Dean Anderson. She escaped three days later.

Sanchez was one of four people hurt overnight in Vallejo when a truck they were traveling in lost control and flipped several times and ended up on an embankment. Midsi was a passenger in the truck and was ejected in the crash. She was taken by helicopter to John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek. The Mercury News is reporting that Midsi is suffering from a broken neck and a punctured lung.

Two other passengers, both 20, were able to get out on their own and were taken to a hospital in Vallejo. The driver who is also 20 was trapped in the truck for 30 minutes before crews could get her out. Vallejo Police say it appears the driver of the truck was intoxicated.

Midsi survived her own kidnapping ordeal back in 2000 when she was kidnapped by Curtis Dean Anderson. 8-year-old Midsi was shackled to the front seat of Anderson’s car for two days and managed to escape by getting hold of the keys, flagging down a passing truck and diving through the open window.

Anderson was later convicted in Midsi’s kidnapping and also pleaded guilty to the 1999 kidnapping, molestation and murder of 7-year-old Xiana Fairchild.

Midsi helped post flyers in March after 8-year-old Sandra Cantu went missing in Tracy. Midsi had been eating at a fast-food restaurant in Tracy when she heard about Sandra and said she felt compelled to help.

http://ow.ly/4Hb3


I called the below asking if anyone could email a card or message to Midsi. The operator told me she was in neo intensive care and would not be able to accept any messages at the present time.  She thought it would be a while before she was released to a private room - does not sound good.

John Muir Medical Center,
Walnut Creek Campus
1601 Ygnacio Valley Rd.
Walnut Creek, CA 94598
(925) 939-3000




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 05, 2009, 10:09:36 AM
Poor Midsi...
hope that she has a complete recovery....she deserves a break in life ....dog gone it!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 05, 2009, 10:41:08 AM
Poor Midsi...
hope that she has a complete recovery....she deserves a break in life ....dog gone it!
How very true, how sad, sometimes I wonder how a family can go through so much heartache.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 05, 2009, 10:43:54 AM
Poor Midsi...
hope that she has a complete recovery....she deserves a break in life ....dog gone it!
How very true, how sad, sometimes I wonder how a family can go through so much heartache.

I know Rosie...it is terrible what some families have suffered...

o/t
did you happen to watch the McCanns on Oprah yesterday? very sad to watch their grief and heartache....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 05, 2009, 10:49:08 AM
Midsi Sanchezhttp://www.geocities.com/littlemissingangels/Midsi

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/2000/08/13/NEWS1416.dtl

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:949860712&start=10

Xiana Fairchild: Prepare to vomit:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-22346.html



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 05, 2009, 11:00:41 AM
Midsi Sanchezhttp://www.geocities.com/littlemissingangels/Midsi

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/2000/08/13/NEWS1416.dtl

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:949860712&start=10

Xiana Fairchild: Prepare to vomit:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-22346.html



he kept Xiana alive for 3 weeks before murdering her? I am gobsmacked!
I can't fathom what this little one went through before her death..
what kind of monsters are out there among us waiting to grab another little child...I am just sick from reading this...I had not heard of this guy before today...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 05, 2009, 11:10:10 AM
I see Briant Rodriguez is still missing - darling little child !


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 05, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
I see Briant Rodriguez is still missing - darling little child !

yes he is darling...
I just read on yahoo blurb that there has been no request for ransom....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 05, 2009, 11:25:42 AM
Where do these people slither out from - sorry this is disgusting - but just to show how these people think !~
"The man accused of kidnapping and murdering 7-year-old Xiana Fairchild in 1999 allegedly had a pattern of stalking Vallejo schoolgirls, according to Tuesday testimony in a San Jose courthouse.

In the day's most horrific revelation, a Vallejo police detective testified that a prison informant said Curtis Dean Anderson bragged that he had videotaped himself strangling Xiana as he sexually assaulted the drugged child -- before beheading her.

The testimony came on the second day of a preliminary hearing to determine if there's sufficient evidence to make Anderson, 44, stand trial for the kidnap-murder of Xiana. Anderson is charged with abducting her in Vallejo as she walked to school, and then sexually assaulting and killing her as she was held captive at his San Jose boardinghouse room before dumping her body in the Santa Cruz Mountains."
 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-22346.html


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 05, 2009, 11:42:33 AM
Where do these people slither out from - sorry this is disgusting - but just to show how these people think !~
"The man accused of kidnapping and murdering 7-year-old Xiana Fairchild in 1999 allegedly had a pattern of stalking Vallejo schoolgirls, according to Tuesday testimony in a San Jose courthouse.

In the day's most horrific revelation, a Vallejo police detective testified that a prison informant said Curtis Dean Anderson bragged that he had videotaped himself strangling Xiana as he sexually assaulted the drugged child -- before beheading her.

The testimony came on the second day of a preliminary hearing to determine if there's sufficient evidence to make Anderson, 44, stand trial for the kidnap-murder of Xiana. Anderson is charged with abducting her in Vallejo as she walked to school, and then sexually assaulting and killing her as she was held captive at his San Jose boardinghouse room before dumping her body in the Santa Cruz Mountains."
 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-22346.html

  I wonder if he sold the tape as a "snuff film".  Sick Bast --- !


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 05, 2009, 01:35:45 PM
Sac.....makes me sick to think about...but it could be true...^^^^^^


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: k9ohana on May 05, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
Poor Midsi...
hope that she has a complete recovery....she deserves a break in life ....dog gone it!
How very true, how sad, sometimes I wonder how a family can go through so much heartache.

I know Rosie...it is terrible what some families have suffered...

o/t
did you happen to watch the McCanns on Oprah yesterday? very sad to watch their grief and heartache...
.
I did. There pain is so raw. To have no answers.... and the guilt they feel is heavy it is palpable. It is so sad.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 05, 2009, 07:32:57 PM
K9....I agree...they are in so much pain....very hard to see that....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 06, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
Just so you know, I have not forgotten about my pledge to prepare a letter to state, local, federal, whomever, for all to use, as I mentioned in a previous post.  I have it about 75% written.  I've been buried at work lately, so I've been very pressed for time.  But I will have it for you all.  I'm taking my time with it because I want to make sure it quickly grasps the reader's attention and doesn't get lost in the shuffle of the hundreds of other letters these people receive.  Right now, I'm leaning toward having two letters--one to send to the feds and one to state and local governments.  The reason is that I'd like to send a separate letter to the feds to make the point that Crimes Against Children are no longer a state or local matter.  They affect the entire country, and require the support of the federal government.  I venture to guess that most people, even the most conservative among us, would support federal intervention to prevent and solve such crimes.

I'll keep you posted on my progress.  Thanks for your patience!     ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 06, 2009, 10:36:41 AM
Just so you know, I have not forgotten about my pledge to prepare a letter to state, local, federal, whomever, for all to use, as I mentioned in a previous post.  I have it about 75% written.  I've been buried at work lately, so I've been very pressed for time.  But I will have it for you all.  I'm taking my time with it because I want to make sure it quickly grasps the reader's attention and doesn't get lost in the shuffle of the hundreds of other letters these people receive.  Right now, I'm leaning toward having two letters--one to send to the feds and one to state and local governments.  The reason is that I'd like to send a separate letter to the feds to make the point that Crimes Against Children are no longer a state or local matter.  They affect the entire country, and require the support of the federal government.  I venture to guess that most people, even the most conservative among us, would support federal intervention to prevent and solve such crimes.

I'll keep you posted on my progress.  Thanks for your patience!     ::MonkeyWink::



Jess...take your time...I am sure that it will be excellent and worth the wait....and thanks for doing it!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 06, 2009, 11:20:52 AM
Just so you know, I have not forgotten about my pledge to prepare a letter to state, local, federal, whomever, for all to use, as I mentioned in a previous post.  I have it about 75% written.  I've been buried at work lately, so I've been very pressed for time.  But I will have it for you all.  I'm taking my time with it because I want to make sure it quickly grasps the reader's attention and doesn't get lost in the shuffle of the hundreds of other letters these people receive.  Right now, I'm leaning toward having two letters--one to send to the feds and one to state and local governments.  The reason is that I'd like to send a separate letter to the feds to make the point that Crimes Against Children are no longer a state or local matter.  They affect the entire country, and require the support of the federal government.  I venture to guess that most people, even the most conservative among us, would support federal intervention to prevent and solve such crimes.

I'll keep you posted on my progress.  Thanks for your patience!     ::MonkeyWink::



Jess...take your time...I am sure that it will be excellent and worth the wait....and thanks for doing it!

You bet, Cookie.   And thanks for the kind words! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 06, 2009, 01:47:47 PM
Just so you know, I have not forgotten about my pledge to prepare a letter to state, local, federal, whomever, for all to use, as I mentioned in a previous post.  I have it about 75% written.  I've been buried at work lately, so I've been very pressed for time.  But I will have it for you all.  I'm taking my time with it because I want to make sure it quickly grasps the reader's attention and doesn't get lost in the shuffle of the hundreds of other letters these people receive.  Right now, I'm leaning toward having two letters--one to send to the feds and one to state and local governments.  The reason is that I'd like to send a separate letter to the feds to make the point that Crimes Against Children are no longer a state or local matter.  They affect the entire country, and require the support of the federal government.  I venture to guess that most people, even the most conservative among us, would support federal intervention to prevent and solve such crimes.

I'll keep you posted on my progress.  Thanks for your patience!     ::MonkeyWink::



Its all good Jessstar! We have trust that the letter will be perfect and will be delivered in due time. Thank you for wanting to do it!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 06, 2009, 02:38:56 PM
Just so you know, I have not forgotten about my pledge to prepare a letter to state, local, federal, whomever, for all to use, as I mentioned in a previous post.  I have it about 75% written.  I've been buried at work lately, so I've been very pressed for time.  But I will have it for you all.  I'm taking my time with it because I want to make sure it quickly grasps the reader's attention and doesn't get lost in the shuffle of the hundreds of other letters these people receive.  Right now, I'm leaning toward having two letters--one to send to the feds and one to state and local governments.  The reason is that I'd like to send a separate letter to the feds to make the point that Crimes Against Children are no longer a state or local matter.  They affect the entire country, and require the support of the federal government.  I venture to guess that most people, even the most conservative among us, would support federal intervention to prevent and solve such crimes.

I'll keep you posted on my progress.  Thanks for your patience!     ::MonkeyWink::



Its all good Jessstar! We have trust that the letter will be perfect and will be delivered in due time. Thank you for wanting to do it!

Thanks Tracygirl.  It is the LEAST I can do in the face of these tragedies.  I need to find out what else I can do to try to make a difference.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 07, 2009, 01:42:34 PM
—-Too many loose foreign objects floating around Tracy in my
opinion. Pretty soon there weren’t be enough judges to
issue enough gag orders to cover them up.


BLOCKED WEBSITE



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 07, 2009, 02:01:02 PM
What is going on in this area of CA ???? Some sort of drugs - lack of consciousness or what ?????
Accused molester could face criminal grand jury by Justin Lafferty
May 06, 2009 Tracy Press

As prosecutors ponder convening a criminal grand jury, the attorney of a former Tracy substitute teacher accused of child molestation asked if some evidence taken during the investigation could be returned.

Deborah Fialkowski, representing Jessie Llorente III, the Kelly School teacher who was arrested in March, said a digital camera that was taken as evidence has pictures that her client’s mother would like back.

Fialkowski said Llorente’s mother, a kindergarten teacher, said that there are pictures on the camera’s memory card of her students and that she wants them returned for a school project. The request came during a five-minute hearing this morning at the Manteca courthouse.

“At the end of the year, they give each child a CD of things they did at Halloween and Valentine’s Day and things of that nature,” Fialkowski told Judge Ron Northup. “She would like to have at least the SIM card or something so she can prepare these for her children.”

Northup asked prosecutor Elton Grau if he was open to letting Llorente’s mother have at least a copy of the pictures. Grau said that he doesn’t exactly know how valuable the pictures are in regards to the case quite yet, declining to release them now. He’ll take a closer look at the pictures later, he said.

Later, Fialkowski said that the family’s laptop and other miscellaneous items were also taken in the course of the investigation.

In the hearing, Fialkowski asked that the preliminary hearing, originally scheduled for today, be moved to 8:30 a.m. June 2 in Manteca. She said that Grau intended to bring the case in front of a grand jury later this month, a claim Grau would not talk about.

Grau and Llorente agreed to the new date. Llorente said nothing else throughout the hearing but “Yes, sir,” to Northup’s question about the rescheduling.

Northup maintained bail at $1 million.

Llorente, who was arrested March 19, is in custody at San Joaquin County Jail at French Camp. The Tracy High alumnus faces 10 felony counts of lewd acts with a child, three misdemeanor counts of child molestation and one count of possessing child pornography. Tracy police, at the time of the arrest, said that he admitted to getting aroused when touching the hair and shoulders of girls he taught. They said he also admitted to possessing child pornography.

At Llorente’s last arraignment hearing, April 14, he pleaded not guilty.

•Contact Tracy Press reporter Justin Lafferty at 830-4269 or jlafferty@tracypress.com.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on May 08, 2009, 07:11:21 PM
Cantu Reward Goes to Farmworker
Thurs. May 7, 2009
TRACY, CA - The man who found the suitcase carrying the remains of Sandra Cantu was presented with a reward Thursday.

Jose Luis Franco, who spotted the luggage while working at a dairy farm irrigation pond April 6, said he was devastated to learn it held the missing 8-year-old. The Tracy girl was reported missing March 27. A neighbor, Melissa Huckaby, has been charged with Sandra's kidnapping, rape and murder.

The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation presented Franco with the $21,643 reward in a private ceremony Thursday. Tracy police said Franco was uncomfortable with the public presentation that had been planned.

Franco had wanted the funds to go Sandra Cantu's family but the reward was established in such a way that that wasn't possible, according to a foundation representative.

Franco told News10 previously that he planned to use the funds for his children's education.
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=58996&catid=2


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on May 08, 2009, 07:13:54 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 08, 2009, 07:18:14 PM
Cantu Reward Goes to Farmworker
Thurs. May 7, 2009
TRACY, CA - The man who found the suitcase carrying the remains of Sandra Cantu was presented with a reward Thursday.

Jose Luis Franco, who spotted the luggage while working at a dairy farm irrigation pond April 6, said he was devastated to learn it held the missing 8-year-old. The Tracy girl was reported missing March 27. A neighbor, Melissa Huckaby, has been charged with Sandra's kidnapping, rape and murder.

The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation presented Franco with the $21,643 reward in a private ceremony Thursday. Tracy police said Franco was uncomfortable with the public presentation that had been planned.

Franco had wanted the funds to go Sandra Cantu's family but the reward was established in such a way that that wasn't possible, according to a foundation representative.

Franco told News10 previously that he planned to use the funds for his children's education.
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=58996&catid=2


He sounds like a nice man.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 08, 2009, 07:55:34 PM
Cantu Reward Goes to Farmworker
Thurs. May 7, 2009
TRACY, CA - The man who found the suitcase carrying the remains of Sandra Cantu was presented with a reward Thursday.

Jose Luis Franco, who spotted the luggage while working at a dairy farm irrigation pond April 6, said he was devastated to learn it held the missing 8-year-old. The Tracy girl was reported missing March 27. A neighbor, Melissa Huckaby, has been charged with Sandra's kidnapping, rape and murder.

The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation presented Franco with the $21,643 reward in a private ceremony Thursday. Tracy police said Franco was uncomfortable with the public presentation that had been planned.

Franco had wanted the funds to go Sandra Cantu's family but the reward was established in such a way that that wasn't possible, according to a foundation representative.

Franco told News10 previously that he planned to use the funds for his children's education.
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=58996&catid=2


He sounds like a nice man.

I agree Tracygirl.  Nice man, but another victim.  His life is changed forever.

Let's keep this spirit alive, everyone.




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 08, 2009, 08:45:53 PM
Your right JessStar, he is a victim as well of all of this. I hope and pray he can come to terms with finding the suitcase.
I love that pic of Sandra, she was such a cute girl. It seems too her face changed a lot in the past year. It went from a little girl to a medium girl.

This weekend is going to be a difficult one for her mother, poor thing she is on my mind and in my prayers.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 08, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
Your right JessStar, he is a victim as well of all of this. I hope and pray he can come to terms with finding the suitcase.
I love that pic of Sandra, she was such a cute girl. It seems too her face changed a lot in the past year. It went from a little girl to a medium girl.

This weekend is going to be a difficult one for her mother, poor thing she is on my mind and in my prayers.

too sad to see her pictures and how happy she was..You could tell that she loved her life! what a damn shame that she is no longer with her family....sad sad sad!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 09, 2009, 07:51:23 AM
‘Most terrible day in our lives’

Tracy man, his wife heartbroken by his discovery of suitcase with Sandra Cantu’s body inside


By Jennie Rodriguez
Stockton Record Staff Writer
May 08, 2009 6:00 AM

TRACY - Jose Luis Franco wasn’t prepared for what surfaced in the irrigation pond he drained the morning of April 6 at Bachetti & Silva Dairy Farms.

Franco was enjoying the sunny day when he emptied the ditch surrounded by miles of grassy fields just north of the Tracy Boulevard exit off Interstate 205. Until he discovered the suitcase.

Franco, a dairy farm worker and father of four, had been praying for Sandra Cantu, the little girl he’d never met but whose face had become well-known to strangers across California.

Like many in Tracy, Franco and his family had hungered for information about the skipping 8-year-old girl who disappeared March 27 from Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, about a mile south of Franco’s duplex.

Franco tried pulling the suitcase out of the water, but it was too heavy. Well aware of the massive search effort that received nationwide attention, Franco had a feeling about the suitcase and what it contained. He hoped his gut was wrong.

“I felt like someone had spilled cold water on me. A chill in my body. I thought, ‘Could this be the little girl?’ ” Franco said in Spanish.

“It was something terrible. The most terrible day in our lives,” recalled Margarita Franco, Jose Franco’s wife.

When Jose Franco couldn’t lift the luggage, he notified his supervisor, who called police. Then, Jose Franco called his wife.

Margarita Franco had concerns of her own that day. Her children have attended Delta Island Elementary School, a campus with mostly migrant children, and a place that parents call more than a school. It’s a community center. But the Tracy Unified School District, facing severe budget shortfalls, had decided to close the school - among the smallest in attendance and the most expensive per pupil to operate.

So Margarita Franco and several other parents were on a bus, touring area charter schools. She was focused on the needs of her children and whether she and other parents might be able to start a charter school.

After the call from her husband, 34-year-old Margarita Franco’s thoughts were scattered. “We wanted to believe there was anything else in there but the body of a little girl,” she said.

She returned home around 3 p.m. Jose Franco returned from work just after 5 p.m. The couple watched television news coverage for updates on the suitcase, but police had said nothing publicly throughout the day. A fear gnawed at them.

“I was nervous, because I was thinking about the girl. I wanted to know if she was in there,” Jose Franco said.

“He didn’t eat that day,” Margarito Franco said of her husband.

At 8:50 that night, police announced the sad news. The intense search was over, and Jose Franco’s worst fears had been realized.

On April 10, police arrested 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby, a Sunday school teacher at a church near the mobile home park and the mother of one of Sandra’s friends.

Huckaby is being charged with murder and three special circumstances of kidnapping, rape with an instrument and lewd and lascivious acts on a child younger than 14.

Jose Franco has worked on the farm for 11 years, providing for his family and trying to create a better future for them.

The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation had offered a $21,643 reward for the tip that would lead to finding Sandra. When her body was found, Tracy police initially said no one would receive the reward; they’d hoped she would be found alive. But on Thursday, police said that, after further discussion with the foundation, Jose Franco would receive the reward.

Sgt. Tony Sheneman, a Tracy police spokesman, told reporters that the farm worker was reluctant at first and asked that the reward money be given to Sandra’s family. But that’s not the organization’s policy, so the money went to him, said Scott Webb, director of the foundation.

Webb said the foundation has given Sandra’s family more than $8,000, which was donated by people across the nation. Tracy Crime Stoppers also raised $10,000 for the family.

The Tracy Police Department had called a news conference to present the farm worker with the reward money.

Jose Franco decided a half-hour before the public event to accept the money in private. He wanted to avoid media attention.

“We gave some interviews,” Margarita Franco said in Spanish while her husband was at work on Thursday. “We thought that’s when (the media attention) would end.”

The Francos are from Jalisco, Mexico, but immigrated to work in Tracy in the mid-1990s.

Margarita Franco said she and her husband are in the process of becoming legal residents, but their four children - Alondra, 3; Jorge, 5; Maria, 8; and Miguel, 11 - are U.S. citizens, all having been born in Tracy.

The parents plan to use the reward money to set up college funds for their children.

They also have become more protective. “We don’t even let them play outside anymore,” Margarita Franco said.

As she cooked lunch Thursday, Margarita Franco said the family is trying to move on with normal life, but they have forever been touched by Sandra.

“We are content because the money will help us, but we are heartbroken because what happened is something very depressing,” Margarita Franco said.

“Do you believe a person who has found a human being dead will ever be the same?”
Edit to add link: http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090508/A_NEWS/905080394
Contact reporter Jennie Rodriguez at (209) 943-8564 or jrodriguez@recordnet.com.
Please try to include the link when bringing articles from outside Scared Monkeys.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 09, 2009, 08:57:24 AM
I feel for this man and his family...how do you ever get that out of your mind and thoughts?
But at least he has given Sandra's family some "peace" (? if there ever is such a thing in this cases) by finding her so that she can rest in peace...and they know where she is ...
I get angry all over again ever time I think about Sandra and the senselessness of her death...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Anna on May 09, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
This is going to be a very sad Mother's Day Weekend for all of those involved in this tragedy as well as the whole community.  I don't think people will feel much better for quite some time.  Perhaps once there is a trial it will bring some degree of closure, scant though it might be.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 09, 2009, 10:24:32 AM
I feel for this man and his family...how do you ever get that out of your mind and thoughts?
But at least he has given Sandra's family some "peace" (? if there ever is such a thing in this cases) by finding her so that she can rest in peace...and they know where she is ...
I get angry all over again ever time I think about Sandra and the senselessness of her death...

I'm with you cookie.  My emotions run the gamut every time this little girl and her family pop into my head (which is basically every day).


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 09, 2009, 11:14:19 AM
Who could blame her . . .

Source: Cantu's Mom Wants To Move From Mobile Home Park
Bad Memories Haunt Mother, Friend Says

POSTED: 4:06 pm PDT May 8, 2009
UPDATED: 7:49 pm PDT May 8, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- The police checkpoint is gone from the front of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where candles, flowers and and stuffed animals sat in memoriam for 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

According to a friend of Maria Chavez, Cantu's mother, KCRA 3 has learned that Chavez wants to move away from the mobile home park because memories of her daughter and the events that took place at the park are too much to bear.

Cantu's body was found in a suitcase pulled from an irrigation pond north of Tracy. She disappeared from the mobile home park on March 27, setting off an intense hunt that drew national media attention.

Melissa Huckaby, a Sunday school teacher at her grandfather's congregation, was arrested just a few days before Easter.

Some churches in Tracy said attendance was down on that Easter Sunday.

Chavez, along with her two other daughters, live with her parents at the mobile home park.

The family is getting support from local churches, such as Victory Christian Church in Tracy.

Diane White distributed religious pamphlets in the neighborhood after Cantu's disappearance.

White's church is across the street from Clover Road Baptist Church, where Huckaby taught Sunday school, and said she is also disturbed by what has happened in Tracy.

"My stepdaughter moved here 30 years ago so she would have a better life for her children and people are seeing bank robberies, all kinds of things are happening," White said. "And they came to Tracy to get away from places like Sacramento, gangs, and murders every day."

Police said Huckaby acted alone, but many residents still expect another arrest or even two.

Huckaby is scheduled to be arraigned on May 22. She could enter a plea at that time.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19411388/detail.html


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on May 09, 2009, 11:42:22 AM
JessStar~  I agree with your comment "who could blame her.."  I understand why Sandra's mom wants to move from the mobile home park.  Maybe if she moved, it would help her on the road to healing.  I cannot imagine what Sandra's family is going through.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 09, 2009, 12:25:18 PM
This is going to be a very sad Mother's Day Weekend for all of those involved in this tragedy as well as the whole community.  I don't think people will feel much better for quite some time.  Perhaps once there is a trial it will bring some degree of closure, scant though it might be.


I so agree with you, Mother's Day will never be the same for Sandra's mom, and so many other mom's who have lost their child, very sad indeed.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 09, 2009, 12:28:46 PM
JessStar~  I agree with your comment "who could blame her.."  I understand why Sandra's mom wants to move from the mobile home park.  Maybe if she moved, it would help her on the road to healing.  I cannot imagine what Sandra's family is going through.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
I can't blame the family for wanting to move either, everywhere they look their are memories of Sandra. In a way one might want to stay because they feel Sandra's presence, very hard decision I'm sure to come to.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 09, 2009, 09:10:02 PM
JessStar~  I agree with your comment "who could blame her.."  I understand why Sandra's mom wants to move from the mobile home park.  Maybe if she moved, it would help her on the road to healing.  I cannot imagine what Sandra's family is going through.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
I can't blame the family for wanting to move either, everywhere they look their are memories of Sandra. In a way one might want to stay because they feel Sandra's presence, very hard decision I'm sure to come to.

I would move as well...just driving past Melissa's house would bring it all back again...
poor woman...how very sad for her and her family...
and how sad for Melissa's little girl who is also innocent in all of this who no longer has her mom? wonder if she knows anything yet....poor little one...always the children who suffer...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Dolce on May 10, 2009, 11:27:00 AM
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Love,
Dolce + 2


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 10, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
I'm thinking of Sandra's family on this Mother's Day.  I just can't imagine. 

Happy Mother's Day to all.  ::MonkeyAngel::

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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2009, 08:55:46 PM
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on May 11, 2009, 08:16:03 PM
Correct me if wrong, but didn't Sandra have a sister???


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 11, 2009, 08:23:54 PM
Correct me if wrong, but didn't Sandra have a sister???

She has 2 sisters, both older (one I think is 10, the other in late teens, I believe) and a younger brother.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 11, 2009, 09:21:36 PM
Her brother is older, I think the oldest. Sandra was the baby


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 11, 2009, 10:29:40 PM
Her brother is older, I think the oldest. Sandra was the baby

Yes, Sandra was the baby. Simone is 20, Thomas is 15 and Miranda is 11.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: GramaMonkey on May 12, 2009, 08:08:00 AM
Her brother is older, I think the oldest. Sandra was the baby

Yes, Sandra was the baby. Simone is 20, Thomas is 15 and Miranda is 11.


What better reason to get out of that neighborhood and move....Miranda is 11.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 12, 2009, 11:46:04 AM
YAY WYKS!!! ::MonkeyDance::
You ROCK!!!!!!!!!!
This is for the very informative and organized post you made on the Photos & Facts ONLY
Very helpful, indeed...
(That's why I'm posting my THANKS on this thread)
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 12, 2009, 11:50:39 AM
Here is part of the work WYKS did organizing!  Check out the whole post!!!!  (Photos & Facts Only Thread)
If you start feeling boggled...maybe review this and I think it might help me and some others too!!!! ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks AGAIN!!!!!!

1931 - Clifford Lane Lawless born in August, currently age 77, tho some reports say 67

1941 - Connie L Harris born in August

1943 - Arthur DeWayne Harris (Connie's brother) born

1950 - Lane attended Brewster High School, on debate squad in Brewster WA 

1950s - Lane was in the US Navy, unknown which years

1958-1963? - Arthur attended three years at Landmark Baptist College in San Jose CA, earned a BA degree in Religious Studies from Sacramento Baptist College and Seminary in Sacramento CA, accredits most of his Bible education and indoctrination to his father, AA Harris

1960 - AA Harris pastored Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee WA, unknown for how long he had pastored there

1960 - Lane was saved in Wenatchee WA in April; Lane was baptized by AA Harris in East Wenatchee WA on July 9; married Connie same day in Modesto CA, married by her father AA Harris

1961 - Brian Lane Lawless (son of Lane and Connie) born in April; unknown when his brother Brett was born

1963 - AA Harris (Connie's father) pastored the Douglas Street MBC of Omak WA, unknown for how long he had pastored there

1963 - Arthur ordained by his father AA Harris and began his pastorate work in May; was first pastor of Sovereign Grace MBC of Mountain View CA, unknown what year/s
 
1971 - Lane was called to the ministry on April 6 and ordained August 20 (four months later) by the Winton MBC

1971-1972 (?) - Lane pastored Beacon MBC of Redding CA

1973-1974 - Lane pastored Grace MBC of Gardena CA, all the other pastors at Grace MBC had been there for several years, yet Lane was there only one year

1974 - Landmark MBC of Salinas CA authorized mission work in Mountain View CA which resulted in the formation of the Sovereign Grace MBC of Mountain View CA; Arthur was their first pastor

1975 - Lane sent out by Salinas MBC of Salinas CA to do mission work in Eureka CA

1975 - Lane pastored Sovereign Grace MBC of Mountain View CA

1976 - Lane living in San Jose CA

1978? to present - Arthur pastor of Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas CA for over 31 years, Dean of the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary, distributes monthly sunday school literature to various churches of like faith

1979 - Lane living in San Jose CA

1981 - Melissa Chantel Lawless (Lane and Connie's daughter) born in February in Orange County CA.........


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 12, 2009, 12:02:40 PM

1981 - Melissa Chantel Lawless (Lane and Connie's daughter) born in February in Orange County CA.........
Wyks ::MonkeyRoll::
Isn't Melissa C Lawless Huckaby actually the grandaughter to Connie and Lane and the daughter of Brian?
  LM


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Lynbit on May 13, 2009, 01:25:25 AM
http://adjix.com/cshc


((edit - likely totally untrue and worse than the NE))

By the way, I just banned this poster for this POST AND RUN


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on May 13, 2009, 09:20:13 AM
((edit - likely totally untrue and worse than the NE))

This is all very sad  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I notice the phrases "a source" and "the source" are used without information as to who the source really is. These things might be true and were leaked, and depending on the circumstances, this person leaking might be subject to facing charges, as I believe much surrounding this case was sealed.  In this day and age we want information and we want it fast.  I'm not certain  we should always have it, if it may jeopardize the case.   If the things said in this article are false, then we have more rumor and speculation, nothing more. JMHO 

As far as the comments this article says about Danny Cantu and what he says, same thing.  Who is the source?  Who interviewed him?  It says "Canny Cantu has said..." when and where did he say this?  He may very well have said it, but if so, when and where?  And what else was said?  No source given to time, place, whether in a interview, said to neighbor said to law enforcement...etc.  Law enforcement has been very quiet on this case and I think it's because they are being careful to make sure it doesn't turn into a media frenzy that could affect the trial.  I wouldn't want to see this case go like Caylee Anthony's, which turned into a three ring circus, and ended up so much about Casey Anthony and her family and not about the victim Caylee.  Rant over.  All just my own humble opinion.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on May 13, 2009, 09:22:45 AM
Lynbit ~  I'm sorry about my poor manners, guess I need more coffee...  Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys!  Your first post was quite interesting. 

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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 13, 2009, 10:11:52 AM
((edit - likely totally untrue and worse than the NE))


I saw this "BNO" article a few days ago.  No offense, and Lynbit, I am not directing this at you (WELCOME TO SM!) but I was really hoping no one would post this trash from BNO.  And that's what it is--trash.  BNO is a start-up "twitter-based" news "agency" from the Netherlands that is trying hard to break into the news arena as a "breaking news source."  It has no credibility as a news organization (it's really just a bunch of twitterers who purport to be journalists) which is why none of the reputable news agencies picked up on this "story" and why probably none of us ever heard of the organization until they spammed this "story."  In fact, this falsehood was spammed all over the SearchForSandra site provided by Fox40.  I wish Fox40 would remove it.  So what does this story really say?  It says that an unnamed "source" "CLAIMED" something is true (not what a source in the know SAID was true), then went on to say the information would not come out until AFTER the trial.  Anyone can CLAIM anything they want, and then hedge the "story" by saying you'll find out if the "Claim" is true or not AFTER the trial.  (What about during the trial?)  This story has as much credibility as the reports a few weeks ago that the gag order was being partially lifted which, of course, proved to be false too, and was also leaked by "a source."  It's amazing the lengths some "organizations" will go to try to make a name for themselves, even so far as to publish something like this purely for the shock value.  This is just ridiculous.  Why in the world would Sandra's father (who is subject to the gag order) or someone in the know jeopardize the state's case against MH by talking to a BNO twitterer/journalist?  And to an "organization" based in the Netherlands to boot!  The answer is simple--they wouldn't.


 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 13, 2009, 10:18:08 AM
And now for some HAPPY NEWS!  Or, at least news with a HAPPY ENDING!  God Bless this little child.  I can't imagine what she experienced, but WOW! is she a fighter.  The last sentence of the article is priceless.  I suppose the little girl buried herself in the nude just to see if she could dig her way out. . .

NorCal Man Charged In Abduction Of 3-Year-Old Girl

YREKA, Calif. (AP) ― 

A Northern California man has been charged with attempted murder in the brief disappearance of a 3-year-old girl who told police she was buried alive.

Siskiyou County Superior Court Judge Robert Kaster ordered 22-year-old Kody Kaplon of Hornbrook, a small community 270 miles north of Sacramento, held for trial.

According to testimony from Yreka Police Sgt. Ray Boutin, the girl told investigators her abductor took most of her clothes, choked her and buried her. She then dug herself out.

Kaplon is charged with kidnapping, attempted murder and five counts of sexual assault.

The girl disappeared from her home in March. Later that day, a group of miners working near the Oregon border found the girl shivering under a bush near Kaplon's car, wearing only a T-shirt.

Defense attorney Andy Marx disputes the girl's story.

http://cbs13.com/local/yreka.abduction.girl.2.1008055.html


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 13, 2009, 10:34:32 AM
YAY WYKS!!! ::MonkeyDance::
You ROCK!!!!!!!!!!
This is for the very informative and organized post you made on the Photos & Facts ONLY
Very helpful, indeed...
(That's why I'm posting my THANKS on this thread)

Thanks lonemonkey, and you're welcome!   ::MonkeyWink::  And that monkey is sooooo cute! 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 13, 2009, 10:37:10 AM

1981 - Melissa Chantel Lawless (Lane and Connie's daughter) born in February in Orange County CA.........
Wyks ::MonkeyRoll::
Isn't Melissa C Lawless Huckaby actually the grandaughter to Connie and Lane and the daughter of Brian?
  LM

 ::MonkeyEek::   thanks for catching that, lonemonkey!  Yes of course that's what it should be, eep! 

Maybe one of our wonderful mods can edit that for me plzzzzzzzzzz?? 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 13, 2009, 10:41:28 AM
Hi Lynbit and welcome!  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/wavehi.gif)



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 13, 2009, 11:30:11 AM

JessStar, thanks for letting us know about that news site, I hadn't heard about it before, possibly neither had Lynbit and others. 

This does bring up something I have wondered about.  In some cases, such as this one and Haleigh's for example, we get info released by some in the media who refer to having gotten that info from "a source".. "a reliable source" .. "an unnamed source" .. "my sources say", etc. 

Art Harris does this on his blog site with nearly every article he writes.  Some attorneys have done this as well.  And so has others in the media, news or blogs, etc.  So many folks take the info released and run with it as fact, and most times so far it has turned out to be factual. 

Am just wondering, how is the average person surfing the web supposed to know which to believe and which to take with a grain of salt?  Is it the credibility of the one reporting the info received from a 'source', that we believe what they say without question?  And if so, is it really possible that they are rarely if ever wrong?  <gasp>

Also am thinking, there may be actual facts in what some are reporting as having come from a "source", even tho they are not as well known as others, and may just not have achieved full credibility with the public yet. 

While writing this, (and coffee is starting to kick in.. lol), I realize it likely does boil down to the credibility of the one reporting.  But how are we to know?  Or is it about past experiences with that person or agency?         

Example, I used to take whatever I heard on CNN as gospel truth.  Until I realized that even those reporters can be biased, have a slant and an agenda. 

I've been on the other side of this as well, in a high profile case of a missing person, with a reliable and unnamed source.  I wanted for others to believe the facts that I was sharing from this source, it's why that person stepped forward, to let folks know which was fact and which was rumor.  I know what it feels like to be sharing facts to dispel the rumors etc, and have most folks believe what I shared from the source, yet some say 'uh hmmmm.. why should we believe you?'.  The person was too scared of the perp to come fully forward themself and gave their info only thru me and the owner of that private forum.  So how would we have been any different than say a person or agency with no credibility yet, since we are just average folks? 

How is it any different for any of us doing research and coming up with some nugget of factual info that no one was aware of or had connected yet?  Such as what we are doing in tracking down just who the heck ARE the Lawless family and what could they be doing. 

There *can be* facts in what we read being shared by others, credible or not.  How do we sort out which of that is true and which is not? 

I sure hope this all made some sense!!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 13, 2009, 11:50:29 AM
((edit - likely totally untrue and worse than the NE))
WELCOME!!!(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/brileighlevi/Smilies/smilies-13796.png)
Thank you for this post...
It's a heart crusher, but I think this has been what many monkeys have feared!  It's part of why there is SO Much wonderful, hard work from the monkeys on the case.
Thanks Again!
  LM ::MonkeyWink::
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Daniel Cantu - Sandra's Daddy
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 13, 2009, 12:01:05 PM
I WISH I Wish I wish...
I wish some generous philanthropist would buy them a new home!!!!!!! ::MonkeyAngel::
If I was ssuper rich...I would in a heart beat.........
Who could blame her . . .

Source: Cantu's Mom Wants To Move From Mobile Home Park
Bad Memories Haunt Mother, Friend Says

POSTED: 4:06 pm PDT May 8, 2009
UPDATED: 7:49 pm PDT May 8, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- The police checkpoint is gone from the front of Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where candles, flowers and and stuffed animals sat in memoriam for 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

According to a friend of Maria Chavez, Cantu's mother, KCRA 3 has learned that Chavez wants to move away from the mobile home park because memories of her daughter and the events that took place at the park are too much to bear.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 13, 2009, 12:12:46 PM
Mornin' Wyks!!!
As usual you bring up great points...
I have been wondering about some of the same things you pointed out, too.  I am also wondering if indeed we may see more of these "sources" as things progress due to the Gag Order and overall lack of information.
This is a case where people really have a lot of questions that NEED answers!!!!

As a native of Calif....
Watching the Florida judicial system and it's SUNSHINE Laws has been a real eye opener for me.... ::MonkeyEek::
I wish we had those SAME laws!!!!

What did you monkeys think of :
1) the mention that source is not guilty
2) the statement the church is a cult with 13 members
3) the statement the pastor is not involved


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 13, 2009, 12:21:06 PM
(link deleted)


From the BNO Newsroom.

Lynbit- No offense, but I find it unfortunate your first post here would be of an article that contains inflammatory BS and quotes no one as some have pointed out already. You posted that on my site last night and I deleted it from the comments from that very reason. Unless you wrote it, this is not a slight on you, but that article could by read by this girl's family, and I can assure you those comments did not come from Mr. Cantu.
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 13, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
Blink & Klaas...
Sorry for my posts...I thought they were being honest....(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/brileighlevi/Smilies/ashamed0001.gif)
Please delete what is not relevant that I posted!!!
  LM


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 13, 2009, 02:04:33 PM
Morning lonemonkey, and thanks!   ::MonkeyWink::

It IS frustrating when a gag order is placed and with it goes any chance of finding anything out before trial.  And yet.. it's understandable, for both sides.  Just frustrating.  Cuz trial could be a year or two down the road, and we still have to wait til after that. 

And yeppers, wish every state would do as Florida does, with their Sunshine Law.  We've been very spoiled ya know, in some of the cases occuring there, with all that has been released.  Am thinking that in Caylee's case, we know wayyyyyyy more than we ever needed to know.  Yet some of us still have even more questions.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 
To go from that case, to this one, where there is nothing but a bunch of zipped lips, is beyond frustrating!  Even before the gag order went into effect, LE was being very tight-lipped about everything.  I don't want it to become a circus either.  Gosh, isn't there a happy middle ground? 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 13, 2009, 02:14:09 PM
Morning lonemonkey, and thanks!   ::MonkeyWink::

It IS frustrating when a gag order is placed and with it goes any chance of finding anything out before trial.  And yet.. it's understandable, for both sides.  Just frustrating.  Cuz trial could be a year or two down the road, and we still have to wait til after that. 

And yeppers, wish every state would do as Florida does, with their Sunshine Law.  We've been very spoiled ya know, in some of the cases occuring there, with all that has been released.  Am thinking that in Caylee's case, we know wayyyyyyy more than we ever needed to know.  Yet some of us still have even more questions.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 
To go from that case, to this one, where there is nothing but a bunch of zipped lips, is beyond frustrating!  Even before the gag order went into effect, LE was being very tight-lipped about everything.  I don't want it to become a circus either.  Gosh, isn't there a happy middle ground? 

I agree Wyks!
And it just seems like if we could have some crumbs of info...it might be better than people speculating and then rumors running rampant...

What's to do if no one can set the record straight.
And saying that it would be too inflammatory to release Sandra's cause of death ...etcc....just makes some peoples imaginations run off with them...
It seems like a little info...would help strike a happy medium.
Just my thoughts!
  LM


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 13, 2009, 02:21:15 PM

Am just wondering, how is the average person surfing the web supposed to know which to believe and which to take with a grain of salt . . . I realize it likely does boil down to the credibility of the one reporting.  But how are we to know?  Or is it about past experiences with that person or agency? 


Wyks, you raise some very good questions.  I will try to answer them in a more detailed response in the next few days because I'm really pressed for time right now and the questions are very complex and require consideration of a number of factors, some of which are objective, some of which are subjective.  In short, while reputation, credibility, general acceptance in the community, general acceptance in the industry, saturation, organization, motivation, timing, interest, medium, location(s), presence, qualifications, logic, citation, and disclosure are all very important factors, it is equally important to dissect the language used to make a particular "factual" assertion.  Specific words are chosen for specific reasons, whether consciously or not.  And when you read hedging words, especially hedging words without disclosure, run, because 9 times out of 10, or more likely 99 times out of 100, the factual assertion isn't worth the code used to write it (isn't that funny?  we used to say the paper it was written on!).  Most people approach such "news" stories with an emotional ear and tend to react emotionally because they assume they are what they purport to be--true news stories.  We're programmed to accept what the media tells us and that's unfortunate.  Few people approach news stories with their logical ear that asks "Why should I believe this" because, quite frankly, the typical person doesn't care.  They don't have the time to care.  They're just interested in the news. 

And why should you believe me?  Because I'll give you a citation, that's why!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Think of the 1938 radio broadcast of War of the Worlds.  Regardless of how ridiculous and illogical that was, people still bought into it and panicked thinking there was an actual martian invasion in progress because, after all, the media was reporting it as news.  Few stopped to ask the question "Why should I believe this?"  Had they asked that question, they would have learned that the program was hosted by Orson Welles whose motivation in reporting the martian invasion was to increase his listeners by stealing listeners away from his rival, Chase & Sanborn Hour.  In short, he needed to report something sensational.  Whether it was true or not, or how people would react to it, just didn't matter.  http://history1900s.about.com/od/1930s/a/warofworlds.htm





Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 13, 2009, 02:26:58 PM
Morning lonemonkey, and thanks!   ::MonkeyWink::

It IS frustrating when a gag order is placed and with it goes any chance of finding anything out before trial.  And yet.. it's understandable, for both sides.  Just frustrating.  Cuz trial could be a year or two down the road, and we still have to wait til after that. 

And yeppers, wish every state would do as Florida does, with their Sunshine Law.  We've been very spoiled ya know, in some of the cases occuring there, with all that has been released.  Am thinking that in Caylee's case, we know wayyyyyyy more than we ever needed to know.  Yet some of us still have even more questions.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 
To go from that case, to this one, where there is nothing but a bunch of zipped lips, is beyond frustrating!  Even before the gag order went into effect, LE was being very tight-lipped about everything.  I don't want it to become a circus either.  Gosh, isn't there a happy middle ground? 

I agree Wyks!
And it just seems like if we could have some crumbs of info...it might be better than people speculating and then rumors running rampant...

What's to do if no one can set the record straight.
And saying that it would be too inflammatory to release Sandra's cause of death ...etcc....just makes some peoples imaginations run off with them...
It seems like a little info...would help strike a happy medium.
Just my thoughts!
  LM

It sure would be better, Lonemonkey!  And I agree, putting out a statement such as they did, then shutting up, did nothing but cause more speculation.  Guess they are in a hard place, danged if they do danged if they don't.  But still..... lol 
 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 13, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
JessStar, thank you for that thoughtful reply!  I appreciate your response, especially cuz I know you are so busy.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

Makes sense what you said, and does explain it for me.  Thanks! 

Wonder if 'back in the good ole days' we could actually trust the 'news' as credible cuz it was.. or has nothing changed except that we have finally opened our ears and really listen to what they are saying, not willing to take whatever at face value. 

This part of what you said really hits home with me, and is very true!  "And when you read hedging words, especially hedging words without disclosure, run, because 9 times out of 10, or more likely 99 times out of 100, the factual assertion isn't worth the code used to write it (isn't that funny?  we used to say the paper it was written on!)". 

And yes... funny!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks again, JessStar! 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 13, 2009, 03:47:49 PM
Morning lonemonkey, and thanks!   ::MonkeyWink::

It IS frustrating when a gag order is placed and with it goes any chance of finding anything out before trial.  And yet.. it's understandable, for both sides.  Just frustrating.  Cuz trial could be a year or two down the road, and we still have to wait til after that. 

And yeppers, wish every state would do as Florida does, with their Sunshine Law.  We've been very spoiled ya know, in some of the cases occuring there, with all that has been released.  Am thinking that in Caylee's case, we know wayyyyyyy more than we ever needed to know.  Yet some of us still have even more questions.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 
To go from that case, to this one, where there is nothing but a bunch of zipped lips, is beyond frustrating!  Even before the gag order went into effect, LE was being very tight-lipped about everything.  I don't want it to become a circus either.  Gosh, isn't there a happy middle ground? 

I agree Wyks!
And it just seems like if we could have some crumbs of info...it might be better than people speculating and then rumors running rampant...

What's to do if no one can set the record straight.
And saying that it would be too inflammatory to release Sandra's cause of death ...etcc....just makes some peoples imaginations run off with them...
It seems like a little info...would help strike a happy medium.
Just my thoughts!
  LM

It sure would be better, Lonemonkey!  And I agree, putting out a statement such as they did, then shutting up, did nothing but cause more speculation.  Guess they are in a hard place, danged if they do danged if they don't.  But still..... lol 
 

I agree that it is very frustrating.  Here's my take, though, for what it's worth.  And again, this is just drawing on my experiences.  Having been involved in "secret" proceedings before, I can tell you that a little info is much much worse to the rumor mill and our creative imaginations than having no information at all.  BNO was trying to capitalize on that principle when it released its purported "breaking news story."

I can also tell you this--for the prosecution to oppose the motion to disinter, the defense's motion must have been 100% factually without merit (which is also supported by the fact that they voluntarily dropped it).  Why?  Because it would have been a terrible lapse in judgment to create an appealable issue (and one which may even be irreversible) this early on in the case.  It would have given the defense leverage when, truth be told, it currently has none with one exception--the purported "rarity" of this crime. And that's more of a poker type argument than anything of real substance.

Ok, I'll get to my point.  Sometimes I'm long winded.   ::MonkeyWink::

In order to make its  point, the prosecution likely strenuously argued the facts contained in the autopsy report to show the Court just how ridiculous the defense motion really was.  It was likely very graphic--apologetically graphic I should say.  That, in and of itself, would have been too much for most people to hear.  We all have a burning curiosity to know.  But the prosecutor doesn't look at it that way--he looks as it as being his job to protect the interests of the People of the State of California and, more pointedly, Sandra and her family. So he writes his motions and briefs to win without regard to whether they are using sensitive language or will be "well accepted" by the public.

Additionally, an autopsy report contains much more information than simply the cause of death.  This is especially so in a case like this where the cause of death is just one reason for performing it--the medical examiner was also asked to look for evidence of other crimes.  I cringe when I say this, but autopsies are incredibly invasive, and an autopsy report describes the process blow by blow and the findings in intricate detail.  They describe the remains from the minute they are found until the process is complete.  Again, without regard to how the general public might receive it.  I was involved in a case many years ago where a small child was shaken to death.  The defense argued the child fell and hit her head.  The autopsy report showed the child died from being violently shaken.  To this day, I wish I had never read that report or saw the pictures.  They were horrifying.  Given the contents of an autopsy report, and knowing the process as I do, there is no doubt in my mind that the very fact the subject of this autopsy report was a small child is enough to create extreme public outrage.

Now, I know what you are going to say--they could at least give us a little information, like the cause of death.  But the Court system has no incentive to do that because its purpose isn't to quell the curiosity of the public by parsing out information and reporting it.  On the contrary, it has every incentive not to release the information in this case because (a) the information would have the potential for tainting the jury pool in a very high-profile case;  (b) it would lead to a media circus;  (c) it would devastate Sandra's family; (d) it, in and of itself, might create public outrage if the COD is overdose, espcially now that we know about the January drugging incident; (e) it would lead to a potential slippery slope by inviting motions to lift the gag order, (f) it could jeopardize an ongoing investigation (even a "unrelated" ongoing investigation); and (g) perhaps most humanely, it would be just plain invasive to the rights of this little child victim to be remembered as the beautful, spunky little girl that she was.

JMHO




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 13, 2009, 04:48:31 PM
I'm so glad I didn't post that article from that newsite I had never heard of before. My daughter told me about it and thought the people on this forum would be interested in reading that. After I looked at it, I thought I better not, and would wait to see if this was reputable. I see it was not. It seemed very strange to me that Sandra's father would be saying those things  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for all the info and that list you made Wyks, and to you JessStar for your legal knowledge. I haven't been posting a lot on this thread, but I do keep tabs on what is happening. Could someone tell me when Melissa is due back in the court room again, is it the end of the month? Thanks.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 13, 2009, 04:51:33 PM
I'm so glad I didn't post that article from that newsite I had never heard of before. My daughter told me about it and thought the people on this forum would be interested in reading that. After I looked at it, I thought I better not, and would wait to see if this was reputable. I see it was not. It seemed very strange to me that Sandra's father would be saying those things  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for all the info and that list you made Wyks, and to you JessStar for your legal knowledge. I haven't been posting a lot on this thread, but I do keep tabs on what is happening. Could someone tell me when Melissa is due back in the court room again, is it the end of the month? Thanks.

MAY 22 at 1:00 pm.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 13, 2009, 05:01:24 PM
Tracygirl, or others from NoCal, has there been an uptick in the number of child porn arrests in your area, or is this the norm?  Another was reported today:

Music Teacher Arrested For Possessing Child Porn
STOCKTON (CBS13) ― 

A Stockton elementary school music teacher has been arrested for possession of child pornography.

Stockton Police arrested 48-year-old Harold Willenborg this morning.  Police say they started investigating Willenborg on Sunday. 

Police served a search warrant at Willenborg's house this morning in the 5600 Block of Vintage Circle, and he was arrested and booked into the San Joaquin County Jail.

Willenborg has been a music teacher for Elmwood Elementary School in the Stockton Unified School District for 8 years.  The school's website has pictures of Willenborg with a number of students as he plays a variety of instruments from violin, to flute, to xylophone.

Police say they do not believe there is any association between the child pornography charges and the school.

(http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/22/2009/05/13/320x240/willenborg.jpg)


http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/stockton.child.pornography.2.1008811.html



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 13, 2009, 05:36:43 PM
JessStar, unfortunatly whatever is happening (hopefully something is happening!) I think maybe happening away from the publics eye. I have not heard of one arrest of the infamous Tracy 60 since the softball coach in Feb. I would assume I would  read it somewhere.

Glad they got this music teacher. Scumbag!  They said they had been investigating him since sunday? Sheesh, maybe I should move to stockton?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 13, 2009, 07:06:41 PM
JessStar, unfortunatly whatever is happening (hopefully something is happening!) I think maybe happening away from the publics eye. I have not heard of one arrest of the infamous Tracy 60 since the softball coach in Feb. I would assume I would  read it somewhere.

Glad they got this music teacher. Scumbag!  They said they had been investigating him since sunday? Sheesh, maybe I should move to stockton?

Yeah, that was pretty quick. I was shocked.  Must be an airtight case.  I didn't realize the softball coach was T60.  Hopefully he's singing like a bird.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 13, 2009, 07:13:14 PM
when they arrested him they said they had been investing him along with about 60 others in Tracy for sharing and downloading child porn.
The Sub teacher, i don't know if he was a part of it, he was arrested because some very intuned children told their parents he made them uncomfortable, those parents told he principal and then she/he called police. Turns out, he had worked in schools all around Tracy, San Jose and Los Angeles. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on May 13, 2009, 10:51:05 PM
JessStar, unfortunatly whatever is happening (hopefully something is happening!) I think maybe happening away from the publics eye. I have not heard of one arrest of the infamous Tracy 60 since the softball coach in Feb. I would assume I would  read it somewhere.

Glad they got this music teacher. Scumbag!  They said they had been investigating him since sunday? Sheesh, maybe I should move to stockton?

Yeah, that was pretty quick. I was shocked.  Must be an airtight case.  I didn't realize the softball coach was T60.  Hopefully he's singing like a bird.

Jess,  May I ask you a personal question?  If you chose not to answer it, I understand.  Are you a Prosecutor, or asst. Prosecutor or Asst. DA?  The reason I ask, is you talk, and write like my daughter, and she is an Asst. DA.   She has tried child molestation cases, as well as Drug and Alcohol related traffic deaths.  Just my own curiosity. 


Title: Another SO off the street, Parole Violation
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2009, 09:33:37 AM
WILLIAMS, JOHNNY 
Aliases   WILLIAMS, JOHN FRANK
WILLIAMS, JOHN FRANKLIN
FITZGARLD, JOHN
FITZGERALD, JAMES
GOLDIE, AKA WILLIAMS
WILLIAMS, JOHNNY FRANK
CURRIE, JOHNNIE
CURRIE, JOHN
WILLIAMS, JOHNNIE FRANK

X-2720560 
Booking/Registry Number   09394562   
Date of Birth   06/22/55 
Sex   Male   
Height   6'00"   
Weight   180 lbs.   
Visits used this week   0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information   
Facility   Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)   
Housing Location   8E205A   
Mailing Address   WILLIAMS, JOHNNY X-2720560 8E205A
Sacramento County Main Jail
651 "I" Street
Sacramento, CA 95814 

05/13/09 at 02:27 PM   
Arresting Agency   BOARD OF PRISON TERMS 
Type of Arrest   Parole Hold   
Charges/Bail   Case# Pending/NA(01) - Parole Hold 
PC 3056     
VIOLATION OF PAROLE
Bail: No Bail
 
Total Bail   Ineligible for Bail   
Outstanding Warrants    Unknown

I have seen some of these alias's before- anyone?
B
 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2009, 11:05:08 AM
child porn found at the MHP

http://www.kcra.com/news/19455422/detail.html


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 11:07:15 AM
JessStar, unfortunatly whatever is happening (hopefully something is happening!) I think maybe happening away from the publics eye. I have not heard of one arrest of the infamous Tracy 60 since the softball coach in Feb. I would assume I would  read it somewhere.

Glad they got this music teacher. Scumbag!  They said they had been investigating him since sunday? Sheesh, maybe I should move to stockton?

Yeah, that was pretty quick. I was shocked.  Must be an airtight case.  I didn't realize the softball coach was T60.  Hopefully he's singing like a bird.

Jess,  May I ask you a personal question?  If you chose not to answer it, I understand.  Are you a Prosecutor, or asst. Prosecutor or Asst. DA?  The reason I ask, is you talk, and write like my daughter, and she is an Asst. DA.   She has tried child molestation cases, as well as Drug and Alcohol related traffic deaths.  Just my own curiosity. 

AZ, unfortunately, I am prohibited from giving you a direct answer to your question.  About all I can say is that I've been an attorney in active practice in several states since the early 1990's, have been involved in just about every aspect of judicial system (from the point of being an advocate, not a judge), and am very familiar with the workings of the legal system, both civil and criminal. While your daughter will probably agree with the phrase "never say never," I think it's safe to say, though, that I never have, and never will, defend a case involving a crime against a child.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 11:14:16 AM
child porn found at the MHP

http://www.kcra.com/news/19455422/detail.html

Surprise, surprise. . . 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 14, 2009, 11:36:38 AM
JessStar, thank you for that thoughtful reply!  I appreciate your response, especially cuz I know you are so busy.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

Makes sense what you said, and does explain it for me.  Thanks! 

Wonder if 'back in the good ole days' we could actually trust the 'news' as credible cuz it was.. or has nothing changed except that we have finally opened our ears and really listen to what they are saying, not willing to take whatever at face value. 

This part of what you said really hits home with me, and is very true!  "And when you read hedging words, especially hedging words without disclosure, run, because 9 times out of 10, or more likely 99 times out of 100, the factual assertion isn't worth the code used to write it (isn't that funny?  we used to say the paper it was written on!)". 

And yes... funny!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks again, JessStar! 
Mornin' MOnks!!! ::MonkeyDance::
Wyks
This was really enlightening from Jess' post!  That quote really jumped out at me as well.
That was an AWESOME explanation!
  LM


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 14, 2009, 11:42:24 AM
child porn found at the MHP

http://www.kcra.com/news/19455422/detail.html

Surprise, surprise. . . 

As usual JessMonkey
You are ON IT!!!!!
Whoa....
Here we GO.------>
Snipped:
Bolded by me
"There were other trailers in the trailer park where child pornography was found, and it was a challenging environment," a source close to the investigation told KCRA 3.

Challenging in what way???(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/brileighlevi/Smilies/duh.gif)
Ohhhh Blinnnnnk!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 12:23:01 PM
Thanks for the kind words, LM.  I'm glad you find my posts helpful. 

All of us have been working very, very hard on this case and other cases.  Every one of us who has spent any amount of time working through this deserves to be commended for their work.  It's intellectually challenging on one side, but extremely emotionally challenging on the other.  So I'm sure there are other things we could be doing in our spare time, but we choose to spend it trying to address and solve an issue that should be of paramount importance above all other issues.  With all the energy, intellect, insight, etc. this group shows, I'm confident that we'll get there.  And someday, somewhere, I'd like to buy you all a drink. . .


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2009, 12:40:39 PM
child porn found at the MHP

http://www.kcra.com/news/19455422/detail.html
First, thanks JessStar for the date of Melissa's next court appearance. Thank-you Tracygirl for this article, not surprising. What does this exactly mean? ( There were other trailers in the trailer park where child pornography was found, and it was a challenging environment," a source close to the investigation told KCRA 3.  What do they mean by a challenging environment?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 14, 2009, 01:15:13 PM
child porn found at the MHP

http://www.kcra.com/news/19455422/detail.html

Surprise, surprise. . . 

As usual Tracy & Jess Monkeys
You are ON IT!!!!!
Whoa....
Here we GO.------>
Snipped:
Bolded by me
"There were other trailers in the trailer park where child pornography was found, and it was a challenging environment," a source close to the investigation told KCRA 3.

Challenging in what way???(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/brileighlevi/Smilies/duh.gif)
Ohhhh Blinnnnnk!
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/brileighlevi/Smilies/sign0163.gif)...lol...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 14, 2009, 01:26:27 PM
This DUDE'S pictures & website are still up and posted on the SCHOOL'S WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snipped:
http://www.stockton.k12.ca.us/schools/elmwood/06/music/Default.htm (http://www.stockton.k12.ca.us/schools/elmwood/06/music/Default.htm)
And
http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/stockton.child.pornography.2.1008811.html (http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/stockton.child.pornography.2.1008811.html)

A Stockton elementary school music teacher has been arrested for possession of child pornography.

  Hal WillenBorg
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/port_00264.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 14, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
For those not living in California or don't know ...
Stockton is a 20-30 minute drive to Tracy---->  So now we have ANOTHER accused teacher.
That makes :
1 PE Teacher
1 Sunday School Teacher
1 Music Teacher
 Something FUNKY is going on!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Snipped:
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090514/A_NEWS02/905140327/-1/A_NEWS06 (http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090514/A_NEWS02/905140327/-1/A_NEWS06)

An Elmwood Elementary School music teacher was arrested Wednesday morning after police allegedly found a large amount of child pornography in his home.

Stockton police received a tip Monday that Harold Willenborg, 47, had an interest in child pornography

This DUDE'S pictures & website are still up and posted on the SCHOOL'S WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snipped:
http://www.stockton.k12.ca.us/schools/elmwood/06/music/Default.htm (http://www.stockton.k12.ca.us/schools/elmwood/06/music/Default.htm)
And
http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/stockton.child.pornography.2.1008811.html (http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/stockton.child.pornography.2.1008811.html)

A Stockton elementary school music teacher has been arrested for possession of child pornography.

  Hal WillenBorg
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2009, 01:55:05 PM
Heck I don't know but in my opinion they need to ARREST these people so we know who they are! Call me nuts but it would make it a bit easier to protect children if we knew exactly who to protect them from. In that trailor park is a man who works with children everyday at his martial arts studio, is he one? Slayder goes to schools and does assemblies with the snakes and so on, is he one? He also has a disabled child, does this person need protecting? 

I wonder  when they say, it made it a challenging environment, they meant it when they were investigating Sandra murder and abduction?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 14, 2009, 02:03:11 PM
Heck I don't know but in my opinion they need to ARREST these people so we know who they are! Call me nuts but it would make it a bit easier to protect children if we knew exactly who to protect them from. In that trailor park is a man who works with children everyday at his martial arts studio, is he one? Slayder goes to schools and does assemblies with the snakes and so on, is he one? He also has a disabled child, does this person need protecting? 

I wonder  when they say, it made it a challenging environment, they meant it when they were investigating Sandra murder and abduction?

I know what you mean TracyGirl!
What did they mean by that?
Hmmmmmm.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
child porn found at the MHP

http://www.kcra.com/news/19455422/detail.html

Surprise, surprise. . . 

As usual Tracy & Jess Monkeys
You are ON IT!!!!!
Whoa....
Here we GO.------>
Snipped:
Bolded by me
"There were other trailers in the trailer park where child pornography was found, and it was a challenging environment," a source close to the investigation told KCRA 3.

Challenging in what way???(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/brileighlevi/Smilies/duh.gif)
Ohhhh Blinnnnnk!
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/brileighlevi/Smilies/sign0163.gif)...lol...

I can guess what he/she meant, but that would be of no value.  It really depends on the context in which the statement was made and what "environment" the "source" was talking about.  Unfortunately, KCRA chose not to tell us that.  So, to me, it falls into the category of "unsupported editorializing" which I choose to ignore because it could mean anything from "The room we were working in had no air conditioning, so having a bunch of us pouring over computer hard drives in a 110 degree room without air conditioning presented a real challenging environment" to whatever.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Anna on May 14, 2009, 02:50:21 PM
Two thoughts this afternoon. . . .

If something is true, there will normally be more than one source reporting it.  I always try to have two independent sources before believing anything to be a fact.  Very rarely is anything a true exclusive known only to one reporter.

Secondly, isn't child porn illegal not only to produce but to possess?  Isn't that a federal offense?  Shouldn't the FBI be working on these people as it is usually sent across state lines via the internet or is this just contained locally?  In any event, isn't even the possession of child pronography highly illegal?  It sure is where I live.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 03:41:39 PM
Two thoughts this afternoon. . . .

If something is true, there will normally be more than one source reporting it.  I always try to have two independent sources before believing anything to be a fact.  Very rarely is anything a true exclusive known only to one reporter.

Secondly, isn't child porn illegal not only to produce but to possess?  Isn't that a federal offense?  Shouldn't the FBI be working on these people as it is usually sent across state lines via the internet or is this just contained locally?  In any event, isn't even the possession of child pronography highly illegal?  It sure is where I live.

VERY good points, Anna.  You're right--one needs to be suspicious about exclusives.

With regard to the legal issue, again, you're right on.  Both federal and state statutes criminalize the mere possession of child pornography.  However, the federal government typically does not get involved until there is a demonstrated "federal connection."  That federal connection is typically the use of the wires or mails to transmit or receive it through interstate connections anywhere within the chain of distribution.  In other words, the "suspect" need not have received it through interstate connections.  He or she could have received it from his or her neighbor using a CD Rom, thumb drive, or any other media.  There's no obvious federal connection that way.  But it becomes a federal crime if anyone within the chain of distribution used interstate connections.  So if someone from Washington (hypothetically, of course), produced it, put it on a CD, drove to California, and handed it to John Doe in Tracy, who then handed it to to his neighbor, Melissa Doe (names being purely fictitious, any similarity being mere coincidence), Melissa Doe has committed a federal offense by receiving and possessing child pornography that was transmitted interstate, even though she received it from her next door neighbor.  But if Melissa Doe produced it (again, hypothetically, fictitious, coincidence . . .) and handed the CD to her neighbor, MD committed no federal offense.  So the interstate connection can be difficult to prove when it appears the production or transmission is limited to local citizens.  Therefore, these offenses are often left to the locals to investigate and prosecute.  That's what I'd like to see changed.  We need the power of the federal government to address the war on our children.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 03:48:08 PM
Two thoughts this afternoon. . . .

If something is true, there will normally be more than one source reporting it.  I always try to have two independent sources before believing anything to be a fact.  Very rarely is anything a true exclusive known only to one reporter.

Secondly, isn't child porn illegal not only to produce but to possess?  Isn't that a federal offense?  Shouldn't the FBI be working on these people as it is usually sent across state lines via the internet or is this just contained locally?  In any event, isn't even the possession of child pronography highly illegal?  It sure is where I live.

VERY good points, Anna.  You're right--one needs to be suspicious about exclusives.

With regard to the legal issue, again, you're right on.  Both federal and state statutes criminalize the mere possession of child pornography.  However, the federal government typically does not get involved until there is a demonstrated "federal connection."  That federal connection is typically the use of the wires or mails to transmit or receive it through interstate connections anywhere within the chain of distribution.  In other words, the "suspect" need not have received it through interstate connections.  He or she could have received it from his or her neighbor using a CD Rom, thumb drive, or any other media.  There's no obvious federal connection that way.  But it becomes a federal crime if anyone within the chain of distribution used interstate connections.  So if someone from Washington (hypothetically, of course), produced it, put it on a CD, drove to California, and handed it to John Doe in Tracy, who then handed it to to his neighbor, Melissa Doe (names being purely fictitious, any similarity being mere coincidence), Melissa Doe has committed a federal offense by receiving and possessing child pornography that was transmitted interstate, even though she received it from her next door neighbor.  But if Melissa Doe produced it (again, hypothetically, fictitious, coincidence . . .) and handed the CD to her neighbor, MD committed no federal offense.  So the interstate connection can be difficult to prove when it appears the production or transmission is limited to local citizens.  Therefore, these offenses are often left to the locals to investigate and prosecute.  That's what I'd like to see changed.  We need the power of the federal government to address the war on our children.



Sorry, allow me to make this one last note.  The "interstate connection" does not require "scienter," which means that the "transmitter" does not have to know that he/she is transmitting interstate.  So, expanding on my hypothetical above, if M Doe emails the contraband to her neighbor, and the email passes through a server located in another state, the interstate connection is a slam dunk, even though M Doe's intent was to just send it across the street.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 14, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
JessStar, thank you so much for your take on things!  Doesn't matter to me when/if you get long-winded, cuz I learn SO much from what you say.  For me it's like.. when JessStar speaks....... I listen.  heeeee   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thank you for choosing to spend some of your time in here with us and helping with all of this. 

It's very helpful too for me and others who've said the same thing, when you help to explain legal proceedings, possible reasons why something is said/done and likely meant by that, etc.  So often to me, the legal system seems like a mysterious group of folks who speak their own language, set apart from others, who have to jump at their command.  When two of my sons were in trouble with the law I felt so frustrated in not even being able to understand the proceedings, let alone the language the attorneys/judge were using. 

So it helps a GREAT deal having someone such as yourself help to explain the legal aspects where possible, as they come along in this case.  Thank you so much! 
     
 ::MonkeyWink::   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 14, 2009, 04:11:47 PM
I'm so glad I didn't post that article from that newsite I had never heard of before. My daughter told me about it and thought the people on this forum would be interested in reading that. After I looked at it, I thought I better not, and would wait to see if this was reputable. I see it was not. It seemed very strange to me that Sandra's father would be saying those things  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for all the info and that list you made Wyks, and to you JessStar for your legal knowledge. I haven't been posting a lot on this thread, but I do keep tabs on what is happening. Could someone tell me when Melissa is due back in the court room again, is it the end of the month? Thanks.

You're welcome, No Rose!  I dunno whether Sandra's father would say those things or not, but am thinking that if he did, it was likely meant for those close to him to hear/know, not something someone would say to the media, for example.  More like whisperings to those he knows and trusts, kind of thing. 

I do know that in reality, it could be dangerous for someone to say such things publically, could set the need for revenge into motion, one reason for the need for 'protective custody', etc.  Not so sure that the news agency realized that by broadcasting that as his words, could be setting him up as a target by those who wouldn't want that info 'out there', IF in fact there is such a group of folks.   

On the other hand, some who have been victims in the past, who are tired of running and hiding the truth, get to the point of saying 'enuff is enuff', and say such things for the whole world to hear/know/realize.  Aware of the danger in doing such a thing, however knowing that once out, there is safety in numbers.  With the whole world watching, the 'bad folks' very likely would hesitate in making any move for revenge against that person. 
   


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2009, 04:52:17 PM
Heck I don't know but in my opinion they need to ARREST these people so we know who they are! Call me nuts but it would make it a bit easier to protect children if we knew exactly who to protect them from. In that trailor park is a man who works with children everyday at his martial arts studio, is he one? Slayder goes to schools and does assemblies with the snakes and so on, is he one? He also has a disabled child, does this person need protecting? 

I wonder  when they say, it made it a challenging environment, they meant it when they were investigating Sandra murder and abduction?

I wonder also if the Minister and his wife's computer was one of the computers on which that they found the pornography?  They did take their computer the grandma stated. It would not suprise me at all.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2009, 04:52:56 PM
Heck I don't know but in my opinion they need to ARREST these people so we know who they are! Call me nuts but it would make it a bit easier to protect children if we knew exactly who to protect them from. In that trailor park is a man who works with children everyday at his martial arts studio, is he one? Slayder goes to schools and does assemblies with the snakes and so on, is he one? He also has a disabled child, does this person need protecting? 

I wonder  when they say, it made it a challenging environment, they meant it when they were investigating Sandra murder and abduction?

I wonder also if the Minister and his wife's computer was one of the computers on which that they found the pornography?  They did take their computer, or so the grandma stated. It would not surprise me at all.
typo..sorry


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
JessStar, thank you so much for your take on things!  Doesn't matter to me when/if you get long-winded, cuz I learn SO much from what you say.  For me it's like.. when JessStar speaks....... I listen.  heeeee   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thank you for choosing to spend some of your time in here with us and helping with all of this. 

It's very helpful too for me and others who've said the same thing, when you help to explain legal proceedings, possible reasons why something is said/done and likely meant by that, etc.  So often to me, the legal system seems like a mysterious group of folks who speak their own language, set apart from others, who have to jump at their command.  When two of my sons were in trouble with the law I felt so frustrated in not even being able to understand the proceedings, let alone the language the attorneys/judge were using. 

So it helps a GREAT deal having someone such as yourself help to explain the slegal aspects where possible, as they come along in this case.  Thank you so much! 
     
 ::MonkeyWink::   ::MonkeyDance::


Wyks, you're making me blush.  But you are so very welcome.  I'm glad I can add something of value. Of course, what I say is only one attorney's point of view.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I truly understand the frustration with the legal/judicial system.  It is like a different language.  I learned that in law school.  I was always a pretty good writer and speaker.  I was blessed in undergraduate school with a professor that tested only by essay, and who was a stickler for writing "perfection."  I took every class he offered because he leaned on me all the time.  So when I entered law school and took "legal writing" and trial/appellate advocacy, I thought, this will be a cake walk.  Boy was I wrong.  The experience really humbled me.  I quickly learned that in undergraduate school, you write and speak creatively for a general audience.  That's the antithesis of legal writing and speaking.  In law school and the legal profession, you're not writing for or speaking to a general audience--you're audience is a judge or jury.  So you write and speak logically, forcefully, and persuasively.  There's an INCREDIBLE difference between the two.  That difference is foreign to most non-lawyers because the "default" is to read and understand things from the "creative" point of view.  After all, that's how we learned to do it from grade school up.

Here's a fun exercise that kind of drives all this home.  What point do you think the writer of this sentence is trying to make:  "John said it was dark out when they left the movie theater after seeing the movie, 'Star Wars, Episode II'."

You don't have to answer the question, because we'd be flooded with different interpretations.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  In fact, that seemingly innocuous little sentence can be interpreted probably 20+ different ways.  The point of the exercise is that most people will focus on the word "dark" because, as creative thinkers, the sentence draws us there.

Sorry for rambling. I'm sure all of this is OT.   ::MonkeyLaugh::






Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 14, 2009, 05:03:14 PM

<respectfully snipped>

We need the power of the federal government to address the war on our children.


Exactly!!  And this has been attempted by some, God love em. 

I will add the following as an FYI only, folks can go to the link and read or not, become aware or not.  Personally, this whole thing is too close to home for me (emotionally) and I get drained and overwhelmed easily these days.  That's mainly why I'm not posting as much or even answering emails, in case some are wondering, it's nothing personal to anyone else.  Am taking care of me and stepping back as needed. 

So am just saying, I don't have the energy to discuss this right now, nor do I want to get into a debate with anyone in here or disrupt the thread, or have to defend against accusations from anyone for having put on my tin-foil hat (as in conspiracy etc). 

To the mods, IMO this is not off-topic, (hope you feel the same way, if not then I know you'll delete as needed) as we are discussing some aspects of this that might pertain to this case. 

This concerns an attempt to get the federal government to step in and address the war on our children.  In particular, sev right here in the good ole US of A, and what the CIA did ... instead. 

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Snipped from the link that follows...

"  1. A case of obvious child neglect/abuse involving child pedophile sexual abuse/child pornography/Satanic cult ritualistic abuse wherein the perpetrators were caught directly in the act by law enforcement, arrested on the basis of irrefutable evidence at the scene, and faced serious charges which typically bring sentences of decades in prison.

   2. Search warrants were obtained for the "Finders" cult office in Washington, DC and a complete search was enacted by law enforcement which provided irrefutable pictures, movies and documents of such abuse/neglect evidence and access to the confidential arrest reports on the "Finders" cult from the arrests in Tallahassee which occurred only a day earlier (suggesting very high level connections to US intelligence in and of itself.)

   3. All investigation of the "Finders" cult by the FBI, US Customs and local law enforcement was ordered stopped by the US Justice Department on the grounds of "national security" and the matter of the "Finders" cult was turned over to the Central Intelligence Agency as an "internal security matter," since the "Finders" is and has been a domestic and international covert operation of the Central Intelligence Agency.

   4. Any and all investigation of the "Finders" was immediately stopped, all evidence was supressed and denied, and the abused children were released back to the adult perpetrators who had been arrested "in the act" and the CIA resumed its ongoing covert operation of the "Finders" cult which is used to procure and produce.

To date only one media outlet has dared publish anything about this (US News)."

More from the following link, and:
**warning for some of the language**

http://www.voxfux.com/features/cia_child_sex.html (http://www.voxfux.com/features/cia_child_sex.html)
 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 14, 2009, 05:08:40 PM
Sorry, forgot to add that for those who'd like other sources re what I just posted, simply google " The Finders ". 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 14, 2009, 05:38:29 PM
I guess a couple of reasons for my posting the above, is that while LE/FBI/CIA investigates, accumulates evidence and/or proof enough to make arrests and bring charges.... many innocent children continue to be abused and suffer.  Altho understandable that the authorities want to nail everyone involved, and this takes time, what about the children? 

And when one LE agency realizes this is totally out of their element and goes higher up for help, time marches on, more children are added by the perps, more are abused and others continue to be abused.  Now the FBI is involved, and one would hope that the children would be rescued, the abuse would stop.  Ermmm no, they have to do their own investigation. 

And then the FBI realizes this is totally out of their element and goes higher up for help, to the CIA.  Time marches on, more children have been added, and etc. 

At any point is the public made aware of what is going on, what is being done?  NOOOOOOOO!  That would cause a frenzy.  It would cause a public outrage.  It would cause the public to rise up and take things into their own hands and put a stop to the abuse at once!  The authorities do not want an out-of-control enraged public.  So it becomes "covert" and hush-hush.  To the point that the unsuspecting public has NO clue. 

And that's IF there is no one in any of the agencies involved in the investigation actually involved in the abuse of our children in the first place.  Cuz if there is, the investigation will come to a screeching halt just because of that.  Please don't think for a minute that doesn't happen, cuz it does.  Yes in our local LE depts and court systems, yes in our FBI, yes in our CIA. 

My point?  What happens to our children while all this is going on?  How many children were abused before LE even found out about T60, for example?  How many have been abused since they found out?  And how many more will be abused before they finish the investigation, if ever? 

At every level of authority, hands are often tied, evidence is often 'lost' .. oops, delay delay delay.  Some delay for good reason, some not.  Yes I am jaded.  It seems that bringing this matter even as high as the CIA still does not stop the abuse.  It still continues. 

What can be done then?  IMO <------- it's going to have to take public awareness, public outrage, and even a public uprising if necessary.  And that's exactly what the authorities and the media suppress and are trying to avoid. 

At the cost of the very ones they are trying to advocate for.  Our precious children. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 06:10:16 PM
(also respectfully snipped"

What can be done then?  IMO <------- it's going to have to take public awareness, public outrage, and even a public uprising if necessary.  And that's exactly what the authorities and the media suppress and are trying to avoid. 

At the cost of the very ones they are trying to advocate for.  Our precious children. 


Wyks, I am soooooooooo with you.  I have been working on a few ideas, which is why I haven't posted the letter I mentioned some time ago.    They may have been tried before, I don't know.  There's one pseudo "legislative" angle that I'm focusing on that I don't think has been tried.  But even if it has, that won't stop me, and I promise it's coming for 2 reasons.  First, I will need the support of as many people as possible to get it passed.  And second, I shed (and continue to shed) too many tears this time around to not do something.  Too, too, too many tears.




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: theboyzmom on May 14, 2009, 06:17:22 PM
(also respectfully snipped"

What can be done then?  IMO <------- it's going to have to take public awareness, public outrage, and even a public uprising if necessary.  And that's exactly what the authorities and the media suppress and are trying to avoid. 

At the cost of the very ones they are trying to advocate for.  Our precious children. 


Wyks, I am soooooooooo with you.  I have been working on a few ideas, which is why I haven't posted the letter I mentioned some time ago.    They may have been tried before, I don't know.  There's one pseudo "legislative" angle that I'm focusing on that I don't think has been tried.  But even if it has, that won't stop me, and I promise it's coming for 2 reasons.  First, I will need the support of as many people as possible to get it passed.  And second, I shed (and continue to shed) too many tears this time around to not do something.  Too, too, too many tears.




O/T and apoligies mods -- Jess - IIRC you are an attorney - do you do federal law? if so can you email me at cindygillie@yahoo.com - TIA


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Wyks on May 14, 2009, 06:49:58 PM
(also respectfully snipped"

What can be done then?  IMO <------- it's going to have to take public awareness, public outrage, and even a public uprising if necessary.  And that's exactly what the authorities and the media suppress and are trying to avoid. 

At the cost of the very ones they are trying to advocate for.  Our precious children. 


Wyks, I am soooooooooo with you.  I have been working on a few ideas, which is why I haven't posted the letter I mentioned some time ago.    They may have been tried before, I don't know.  There's one pseudo "legislative" angle that I'm focusing on that I don't think has been tried.  But even if it has, that won't stop me, and I promise it's coming for 2 reasons.  First, I will need the support of as many people as possible to get it passed.  And second, I shed (and continue to shed) too many tears this time around to not do something.  Too, too, too many tears.


Count me in JessStar, I'll stand with you.  I can even name names, give dates, towns, states, places, and the particulars if need be .. or not .. but focus on the overall general sense of things.  Am ready to do what it takes.  I don't think I have anymore tears.  sigh. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 14, 2009, 11:08:38 PM
Me, too!!!!
Monkey Hugs...
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 14, 2009, 11:09:17 PM
The Court entered a new order today in the State of California v. Melissa Huckaby.  It requires the attorneys to provide 2 days written notice to the Court of all issues they intend to present at any "further arraignments and pretrial hearings" along with any supporting briefs. The order is routine and is merely to allow the Court to plan and be adequately prepared so as to not waste limited judicial resources.

You can find it here:  http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/news/Order_of_the_Court_re_Written_Notification_051409.pdf


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 15, 2009, 10:53:23 AM
Thanks JessStar  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 15, 2009, 01:56:12 PM
the kcra report about the teacher who was recently arrested stated they took recordable CD's...Do you think this mean he was recording children being molested? I wonder if these cases will be connected to Sandra or to TL.

This is OT so if you feel the need to delete this portion I understand. I wanted to ask all you smart monkeys to read the thread I started in  the missing children's forum about William "Billy" Van Croft and give me any insight. I came here for Sandra because you are all the smartest group on the net. Now I ask for help with Billy.

*Back to regular schedule programing!*


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Anna on May 15, 2009, 02:15:56 PM
JessSTar,

Thank you for the information on the statues and chain of custody for child pornography.  I continue to watch for further arrests in connection with this and the alleged sixty found with it on their computers.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 15, 2009, 03:24:01 PM
the kcra report about the teacher who was recently arrested stated they took recordable CD's...Do you think this mean he was recording children being molested? I wonder if these cases will be connected to Sandra or to TL.

This is OT so if you feel the need to delete this portion I understand. I wanted to ask all you smart monkeys to read the thread I started in  the missing children's forum about William "Billy" Van Croft and give me any insight. I came here for Sandra because you are all the smartest group on the net. Now I ask for help with Billy.

*Back to regular schedule programing!*


No, don't read that into it Tracygirl.  Any blank CD you can throw in your computer and write files to is a recordable CD (you've probably seen them abbreviated CDR or CD-R (compact disc recordable)).  LE more likely than not found porn he downloaded or traded with others recorded to CDs in his possession.  That's usually the case in cases like this.  I bet he'll try to argue that he didn't possess it because the CDs weren't his. Just another hurdle for LE to jump over, but not a very high one.  He probably doesn't realize that deep within the bowels of his computer is a file or two or three that contains information about every file he ever downloaded, opened, moved, copied, modified, wrote to disc. . . it's all there.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 15, 2009, 04:08:49 PM
the kcra report about the teacher who was recently arrested stated they took recordable CD's...Do you think this mean he was recording children being molested? I wonder if these cases will be connected to Sandra or to TL.

This is OT so if you feel the need to delete this portion I understand. I wanted to ask all you smart monkeys to read the thread I started in  the missing children's forum about William "Billy" Van Croft and give me any insight. I came here for Sandra because you are all the smartest group on the net. Now I ask for help with Billy.

*Back to regular schedule programing!*


No, don't read that into it Tracygirl.  Any blank CD you can throw in your computer and write files to is a recordable CD (you've probably seen them abbreviated CDR or CD-R (compact disc recordable)).  LE more likely than not found porn he downloaded or traded with others recorded to CDs in his possession.  That's usually the case in cases like this.  I bet he'll try to argue that he didn't possess it because the CDs weren't his. Just another hurdle for LE to jump over, but not a very high one.  He probably doesn't realize that deep within the bowels of his computer is a file or two or three that contains information about every file he ever downloaded, opened, moved, copied, modified, wrote to disc. . . it's all there.



Thanks for explaining. Everyday I am still able to remember how to turn on my computer is a good day! Honestly the information highway escaped me.  But you know this guy lives on his own and unless he rents out storage space to strangers he is going to have a tough time making the suggestion it is not his. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 17, 2009, 07:34:14 AM
Good Morning everyone. 

Curiously,given we're a few days away from the next arraignment and the court's entry of the "notice" order, I wonder if we'll be seeing or hearing about any motions being filed, particularly by the defense.  I'm thinking a motion for a mental evaluation . . .But that's just my gut.  It may still be too early for that.  Just thinking out loud a bit this morning.





Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: theboyzmom on May 17, 2009, 08:25:12 AM
Good Morning everyone. 

Curiously,given we're a few days away from the next arraignment and the court's entry of the "notice" order, I wonder if we'll be seeing or hearing about any motions being filed, particularly by the defense.  I'm thinking a motion for a mental evaluation . . .But that's just my gut.  It may still be too early for that.  Just thinking out loud a bit this morning.





I agree - I think her attorney would be remiss if he did not at least make the request. I think it is the only defense that will make any difference in mitigating her sentence.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 17, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys & hope everyone is enjoying their day.  I just got caught up with the posts and have to thank you all for your passion for Sandra and for all the great information you have brought forward.  Even with the gag order in place, you have been outstanding.  Thank you.  Since it is quiet here today, I would like to share a tribute to Sandra that I found on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/v/EfaXArEVN2M&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 17, 2009, 04:49:28 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys & hope everyone is enjoying their day.  I just got caught up with the posts and have to thank you all for your passion for Sandra and for all the great information you have brought forward.  Even with the gag order in place, you have been outstanding.  Thank you.  Since it is quiet here today, I would like to share a tribute to Sandra that I found on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/v/EfaXArEVN2M&hl=en&fs=1

That was beautiful CeCe. Sandra was a special little girl...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 17, 2009, 09:01:30 PM
yes...Sandra was a very special child...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: BluesyGram on May 18, 2009, 02:44:28 AM
Wyks and Jess ...appreciated both of your posts, as well as all our Monkeys.

In following your 'chain of command' on the porn issue...I felt dizzy at the 'red tape' spinning round and round.  As for what Wyks posted about how investigations get negated and the abuse goes on and on.  OMG

Reminds of my 'work experience'.  I worked for individually owned companies for many years before I went to work for an international corporation w/over 300,000 emp.

When I worked for the local companies, and my boss walked in and said 'We are now going to start our day by entering our chairs from the right'...we immediately followed that order from that day forward.  So, when I worked for the int. corp. and was given a directive ...I immediately complied.  Well, two days later, another memo would come out stating ...we have rethought that and will now do it a different way.  After a couple of months, I learned to wait a couple of days, if not a week before I tried to redo whatever it was.  Can you say RED TAPE or TOO MANY CHIEFS?

My point is, and I do have one, is that the Marshall's are also in on this child porn RED TAPE investigation.  Remember they they put out the pictures of 3 men and wanted help from the public to identify that were shown on video having sex w/children?  Then we had a poster from Australia that her husband works on US cases (and we are guessing international porn/child trafficking).  Wow....mind blowing at all of the layers and layers. 

I live in NO and our cops can't stop the gang murders, much less have an internet porn investigation.  However, a small suburb around here does have such a department (they have lots of money because when they passed a law to allow a casino the people voted that all of the money would be dedicated to the police dept.  Think they get like $3.00 per person every time they enter the casino)

OK..let's be honest...most local police dept's can't afford the equipment, nor the manpower to be effective.  The Feds formed the office of Homeland Security to try to cut down on the RED TAPE.  I think it is time to form a CHILD PORN/MISSING CHILD/CHILD TRAFFICING TASK FORCE.  This can be streamlined, added to, defined in many directions.  All I know is that I a sick and damned tired of defenseless children having their innocence taken away, damaged & scarred for life, murdered, exploited, and so on.

I would like to see FEDERAL MANDATED SENTENCES set down for child porn (whether across the street or across the pond), molestation, exploitation, murder, etc.  When it involves a child..it would be taken away from the state's optional sentencing.  Not out of the state's courts....but no optional sentencing.  (One case in particular that I remember NG going off on was a judge that didn't send a child molester who's victim was under 12, and was molested for yrs., to jail because he was so small and said that the other prisoners would take advantage of him) IT WAS A FEMALE JUDGE!!!!!!!!!!!

There should be say a 2/3 man task force (there should be many of these task forces ...say 100) ready to move into any town that comes across say child porn or that the task force would uncover during their investigations. 

One would be a computer geek and the others would head up the investigation and the local police/sheriff would offer support and the arrests. 

The reason why you need a Federal Task Force for this as it would automatically lead across state lines and you could use the same agency/resources/investigations to follow the trail, not just worry about your jurisdiction. 

Jess....think in these terms too...  They came up w/RICO in order to knock down the Mafia.  Maybe we can plant a seed to encompass these sicko's.  In other words, we can think outside the box and cut some of this damn red tape.  Our children are worth it.

So sorry for this very long post.  Am so sleepy, I hope it makes sense, but after reading back, there was no way that I could sleep with all of this running around my head.  Thanks for everyones insight into this serious problem.





Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 18, 2009, 02:40:39 PM
BluesyGram, thanks for the great post.  You have a lot of very good ideas.  Let me make a few observations.  And I'll apologize in advance for its length.

There are a host of laws on the federal level that are incredibly strict and impose very harsh sentences for those who commit crimes against children.  The Child Pornography Prevention Act is one such law that made it easier to prosecute and convict those who peddle in child porn.  That is, until the Supreme Court essentially gutted it in 2002 by holding that, to the extent the Act applied to "virtual" porn, i.e., porn that may involve virtual as opposed to real children, it's an unconstitutional infringement on free speech.  Yeah, that's right--free speech.  You can thank the Free Speech Coalition for that ruling.  It is now very difficult and expensive to prosecute suspects under the Act because it gives them a defense, and because today's technology makes it difficult to determine whether the porn involved a real child.  And rather than it being an affirmative defense where the accused must prove the porn did not involve a real child, the burden belongs to the government to prove that a REAL child is depicted in the photo or video or what have you.  While that may sound easy, with today's technology, that isn't so.  In fact, it's ridiculously time consuming and expensive.  How ridiculous the ruling.

There are also numerous federal agencies involved, such as the FBI, the Secret Service, the Postal Inspection Service, the U.S. Customs Service, the Department of Justice, and the NCEMC.  The problem is that they are greatly underfunded given the breadth of this crime.  For example, in 2002 (the latest numbers I could find), the FBI was allotted a mere $38 million toward combating child exploitation (which includes all crimes against children).  Customs (which is really geared toward the international component) was allotted about $15 million.  The remaining agencies were allotted something in the neighborhood of $10 million combined.  In comparison, during the same time period our country spent upwards of $20 BILLION   fighting the "war on drugs." Did your jaw hit the floor?  Mine did. . .  So we spend $50 million a year to combat a criminal enterprise that preys on our most vulnerable, helpless, and precious little children and which, by some estimates, is a $2 billion a year industry.  To put it in perspective, remember the Texas couple that was busted a few years ago for providing credit card web service for access to child porn web servers located in Russia and, I believe, Indonesia?  Do you know that, in one months time, they grossed over $1.5 million in "sales?"  I wish we were allowed to swear in this forum, because I'd be expressing myself quite colorfully right now.

"Task forces" of the type you suggest actually exist already.  There's an arm of the FBI in its Crimes Against Children Unit that is supposed to do exactly what you suggest.  In fact, it's the arm that swept in to Tracy when Sandra went missing, probably triggered by the extent of the known child porn presence there.  Again, their effectiveness is limited by resources and funding. 

There is a fairly interesting report authored by the GAO (the investigatory arm of Congress) called "Combating Child Pornography: Federal Agencies Coordinate Law Enforcement Efforts, but an Opportunity Exists for Further Enhancement."  There is also a follow up report that specifically deals with the problem of peer-to-peer file sharing.  I recommend that anyone interested in the subject read them.  You can find them at www.gao.gov.  The studies provide a high-level glimpse into the federal efforts at combatting the problem.  The theme I believe you'll take away from the studies is that the tools exist--but resources and funding do not.  In fact, the studies come right out and say, because of funding limitations, most cases that are "small potatoes" as the feds choose to define that term are relegated to state and local authorities to investigate and prosecute.  Because the crime is getting more sophisticated, and because of case law such as the ruling on "virtual" porn I discussed above, it is getting more and more expensive to investigate and prosecute, which means the feds hold on to less and less cases so that they can concentrate their efforts on the largest and most sophisticated networks.  That means more and more of these crimes go unpunished.

In short, after all this rambling, it appears that it all boils down to the almighty dollar.  So let me ask this question to the group.  If the government was to propose raising income taxes some fraction of a percent, say .25%, and allocated that money to the war against child offenders, would you vote for it?  That would mean an extra $125 a year in taxes for a couple making $50,000 a year.  Combined, it would generate revenue equal to what this country spends a year on national defense.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: BluesyGram on May 18, 2009, 05:19:28 PM
BluesyGram, thanks for the great post.  You have a lot of very good ideas.  Let me make a few observations.  And I'll apologize in advance for its length.

There are a host of laws on the federal level that are incredibly strict and impose very harsh sentences for those who commit crimes against children.  The Child Pornography Prevention Act is one such law that made it easier to prosecute and convict those who peddle in child porn.  That is, until the Supreme Court essentially gutted it in 2002 by holding that, to the extent the Act applied to "virtual" porn, i.e., porn that may involve virtual as opposed to real children, it's an unconstitutional infringement on free speech. How can we get a copy of this act and a copy of the Supreme Court ruling? Yeah, that's right--free speech.  You can thank the Free Speech Coalition (would like to out these people for this and expose them) for that ruling.  It is now very difficult and expensive to prosecute suspects under the Act because it gives them a defense, and because today's technology makes it difficult to determine whether the porn involved a real child.(BS Outrage at this)  And rather than it being an affirmative defense where the accused must prove the porn did not involve a real child, the burden belongs to the government to prove that a REAL child is depicted (I will assume that this means that they have to produce the child?  OMG)in the photo or video or what have you.  While that may sound easy, with today's technology, that isn't so.  In fact, it's ridiculously time consuming and expensive.  How ridiculous the ruling.

There are also numerous federal agencies involved, such as the FBI, the Secret Service, the Postal Inspection Service, the U.S. Customs Service, the Department of Justice, and the NCEMC.(This is what I am talking about....combine these talents...pull them out of all of this RED TAPE...combine budgets ...and add to their budgets)  The problem is that they are greatly underfunded given the breadth of this crime.  For example, in 2002 (the latest numbers I could find), the FBI was allotted a mere $38 million toward combating child exploitation (which includes all crimes against children).  Customs (which is really geared toward the international component) was allotted about $15 million.  The remaining agencies were allotted something in the neighborhood of $10 million combined.  In comparison, during the same time period our country spent upwards of $20 BILLION   fighting the "war on drugs." Did your jaw hit the floor?(This is a sin)  Mine did. . .  So we spend $50 million a year to combat a criminal enterprise that preys on our most vulnerable, helpless, and precious little children and which, by some estimates, is a $2 billion a year industry.  To put it in perspective, remember the Texas couple that was busted a few years ago for providing credit card web service for access to child porn web servers located in Russia and, I believe, Indonesia?  Do you know that, in one months time, they grossed over $1.5 million in "sales?" (OK..just like in the DRUG WAR....the agency would be able to confiscate all the assets their evil empire purchased as well as be able to keep the cash) I wish we were allowed to swear in this forum, because I'd be expressing myself quite colorfully right now. (Know what you mean...have to go wash my mouth out w/soap a few times myself...as well as my eyes when I read some of this filth)

"Task forces" of the type you suggest actually exist already.  There's an arm of the FBI in its Crimes Against Children Unit (Well, it seems that we might have found a place to start and maybe find a contact to start our work..they just need to tell us what they need) that is supposed to do exactly what you suggest.  In fact, it's the arm that swept in to Tracy when Sandra went missing, probably triggered by the extent of the known child porn presence there.  Again, their effectiveness is limited by resources and funding. 

There is a fairly interesting report authored by the GAO (the investigatory arm of Congress) called "Combating Child Pornography: Federal Agencies Coordinate Law Enforcement Efforts, but an Opportunity Exists for Further Enhancement."(I will be reading to see what this opportunity is and perhaps we can come up with a way to 'work it')  There is also a follow up report that specifically deals with the problem of peer-to-peer file sharing.  I recommend that anyone interested in the subject read them.  You can find them at www.gao.gov.  The studies provide a high-level glimpse into the federal efforts at combatting the problem.  The theme I believe you'll take away from the studies is that the tools exist--but resources and funding do not.  In fact, the studies come right out and say, because of funding limitations, most cases that are "small potatoes" as the feds choose to define that term are relegated to state and local authorities to investigate and prosecute.(I would like to see a study of how child porn voyeurs become molesters and the % of that and how long it takes for them to act out)  Because the crime is getting more sophisticated, and because of case law such as the ruling on "virtual" porn I discussed above, it is getting more and more expensive to investigate and prosecute, which means the feds hold on to less and less cases so that they can concentrate their efforts on the largest and most sophisticated networks.  That means more and more of these crimes go unpunished.(We didn't started on the DRUG WAR until it became an and epidemic..now we've let this horse get too large of a head start)

In short, after all this rambling, (not rambling, thank you) it appears that it all boils down to the almighty dollar.  So let me ask this question to the group.  If the government was to propose raising income taxes some fraction of a percent, say .25%, and allocated that money to the war against child offenders, would you vote for it?  That would mean an extra $125 a year in taxes for a couple making $50,000 a year.  Combined, it would generate revenue equal to what this country spends a year on national defense. (My answer, of course, is a resounding 'yes'.  However, I think we need to start getting away from a personal income tax and start moving to a 'us sales tax'.  So how about a .25% sales tax?)


Thanks so much for your most informative post.  I see that someone/some org/some agencies have attempted to get these things done.  I understand that we/our cause doesn't have the backing of some drug/tobacco/alcohol/porn mag/whatever money laden greedy industry lobbyist.  However, internet users can be united IN HUGE NUMBERS I believe in order to rev up the noise and media to accomplish these measures.

Thanks again for that link...hope that I can 'understand' what they are saying...you speak in plain enough English and make it so comprehendable for the lay person.

My comments in green above.

Thanks again, Bev


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 09:11:52 PM
Excellent post again Jess.  Would I vote for the funding?? Hell yes!  How do we get the ball moving?   


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 19, 2009, 12:27:59 AM
Excellent post again Jess.  Would I vote for the funding?? Hell yes!  How do we get the ball moving?   

Thank you very, very much for your kind comments.  As to your question, "How do we get the ball moving," I am working VERY hard on that.  I just ask for everyone's patience.  I will be sharing my thoughts will all of you once I get it all together.  It will take time.  We can then put our collective minds together and form a unified front.  As a country, we've been successful at effecting change in some very difficult areas.  Difficult change ALWAYS starts with a grassroots movement.  And when that movement gains momentum, it is impossible to stop.

While all children are my inspiration and motivation to do this, this one pushed me over the edge.  I just can't take sitting idly by and doing nothing anymore. 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 19, 2009, 12:37:17 AM
BluesyGram, thanks for the great post.  You have a lot of very good ideas.  Let me make a few observations.  And I'll apologize in advance for its length.

How can we get a copy of this act and a copy of the Supreme Court ruling?

And rather than it being an affirmative defense where the accused must prove the porn did not involve a real child, the burden belongs to the government to prove that a REAL child is depicted (I will assume that this means that they have to produce the child?  OMG)

There is a fairly interesting report authored by the GAO (the investigatory arm of Congress) called "Combating Child Pornography: Federal Agencies Coordinate Law Enforcement Efforts, but an Opportunity Exists for Further Enhancement."(I will be reading to see what this opportunity is and perhaps we can come up with a way to 'work it') 

That means more and more of these crimes go unpunished.(We didn't started on the DRUG WAR until it became an and epidemic..now we've let this horse get too large of a head start)



Thanks so much for your most informative post.  I see that someone/some org/some agencies have attempted to get these things done.  I understand that we/our cause doesn't have the backing of some drug/tobacco/alcohol/porn mag/whatever money laden greedy industry lobbyist.  However, internet users can be united IN HUGE NUMBERS I believe in order to rev up the noise and media to accomplish these measures.

Thanks again for that link...hope that I can 'understand' what they are saying...you speak in plain enough English and make it so comprehendable for the lay person.

My comments in green above.

Thanks again, Bev

I snipped a little. . . I'll get you a copy of the Act and the Supreme Court ruling and post it. 

On the "virtual" question you pose (whether you have to produce the child), the answer is almost.  What they've been trying to do is match up the allegedly "virtual" photos with "historic" photos of the same child and prove it that way.  That way they can say, in essence, the "virtual" child is the same child as in this picture, and this picture is a real child.  Time consuming, cumbersome, expensive and, in my view, unncessary.

On the GAO report, don't hold your breath.  Basically what they recommend is information sharing between two agencies that don't yet share everything.  Big deal.

Your comments on the drug war are right on.  But it's not too late.  It's never too late.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 19, 2009, 12:50:56 AM
Good afternoon Monkeys & hope everyone is enjoying their day.  I just got caught up with the posts and have to thank you all for your passion for Sandra and for all the great information you have brought forward.  Even with the gag order in place, you have been outstanding.  Thank you.  Since it is quiet here today, I would like to share a tribute to Sandra that I found on youtube:


Thanks for posting this.  It was beautiful.  That darn surveillance video makes me cry every time.  I wish we had the power to turn back time.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 19, 2009, 09:17:56 AM

Thanks so much for your most informative post.  I see that someone/some org/some agencies have attempted to get these things done.  I understand that we/our cause doesn't have the backing of some drug/tobacco/alcohol/porn mag/whatever money laden greedy industry lobbyist.  However, internet users can be united IN HUGE NUMBERS I believe in order to rev up the noise and media to accomplish these measures.

Thanks again for that link...hope that I can 'understand' what they are saying...you speak in plain enough English and make it so comprehendable for the lay person.

My comments in green above.

Thanks again, Bev

It is my personal goal, and hopefully OUR mission, to change this.  In my opinion, the reason your statement is true is because, unlike drugs, this crime is suppressed.  No one in power wants to publicly acknowledge it or its pervasiveness. I don't know why.  We need to bring it to the forefront, and frame the issue in such a way that everyone is forced to take notice, especially those in power.  In the United States, that means two groups:  (a) the government and, perhaps more importantly, (b) the media.  The media can be our greatest ally here.

I will be posting those materials shortly.  Once you've read them, if you have any questions, feel free to ask them.  If I can answer them or add insights, I will. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
Jess I think the key would be to grab parents emotions and fear. It has been proven with certain awareness programs and governmental policies, if you want a parent to protect their child you need to elicit fear, cause a sense of panic and at the same time giving true and undeniable facts.
I think if parents knew how many children were used for this, it would raise awareness. Also, the general public needs to understand what exactly it is, how abusive an violent it can get,  short, of course of actually viewing it. What will be hard is getting people to listen. No one wants to think about this stuff, it is too difficult or uncomfortable. Parents want to live in their own little perfect interpretation of the world around them and raise their kids without scaring them. Trust me, I know.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::  Not to be negative but I think we should all brace ourselves for a long difficult ride. I am willing to help. I have been involved with awareness campaigns that have been successful. Proof, ask yourselves if 15 years ago you knew what autism was? Now realize, it was a key talking point in this years presidential election! Grassroots organizations were key.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 19, 2009, 12:41:34 PM
Jess I think the key would be to grab parents emotions and fear. It has been proven with certain awareness programs and governmental policies, if you want a parent to protect their child you need to elicit fear, cause a sense of panic and at the same time giving true and undeniable facts.
I think if parents knew how many children were used for this, it would raise awareness. Also, the general public needs to understand what exactly it is, how abusive an violent it can get,  short, of course of actually viewing it. What will be hard is getting people to listen. No one wants to think about this stuff, it is too difficult or uncomfortable. Parents want to live in their own little perfect interpretation of the world around them and raise their kids without scaring them. Trust me, I know.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::  Not to be negative but I think we should all brace ourselves for a long difficult ride. I am willing to help. I have been involved with awareness campaigns that have been successful. Proof, ask yourselves if 15 years ago you knew what autism was? Now realize, it was a key talking point in this years presidential election! Grassroots organizations were key.

Absolutely right, Tracygirl!  Autism is a a very good example.  And you're right, none of this is going to happen overnight.  It will take time, effort and dedication.

Parental education and awareness is just one piece of the puzzle.  Oftentimes, it's the parents either doing the abusing, or allowing it to happen for a profit.  That's where it gets very difficult, and where we will need a creative solution to discover that abuse.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 19, 2009, 01:59:33 PM
Unfortunately, I cannot attached the supreme court case I discussed in my earlier post.  But you can find it here:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZS.html

If, for some reason, that link doesn't work, just google "Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition."  You'll find it.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 02:09:52 PM
Quote from: JessStar link=topic=4883.msg 812199#msg 812199 date=1242751294
Jess I think the key would be to grab parents emotions and fear. It has been proven with certain awareness programs and governmental policies, if you want a parent to protect their child you need to elicit fear, cause a sense of panic and at the same time giving true and undeniable facts.
I think if parents knew how many children were used for this, it would raise awareness. Also, the general public needs to understand what exactly it is, how abusive an violent it can get,  short, of course of actually viewing it. What will be hard is getting people to listen. No one wants to think about this stuff, it is too difficult or uncomfortable. Parents want to live in their own little perfect interpretation of the world around them and raise their kids without scaring them. Trust me, I know.... ::MonkeyNoNoMonkeyShocked::  Not to be negative but I think we should all brace ourselves for a long difficult ride. I am willing to help. I have been involved with awareness campaigns that have been successful. Proof, ask yourselves if 15 years ago you knew what autism was? Now realize, it was a key talking point in this years presidential election! Grassroots organizations were key.

Absolutely right, Tracy Girl!  Autism is a a very good example.  And you're right, none of this is going to happen overnight.  It will take time, effort and dedication.

Parental education and awareness is just one piece of the puzzle.  Oftentimes, it's the parents either doing the abusing, or allowing it to happen for a profit.  That's where it gets very difficult, and where we will need a creative solution to discover that abuse.


Puzzle, funny you use that term. There are many pieces of the puzzle and all work together for change. If you don't mind, one bit of advise  from a person who was at the start of the autism awareness program which was to elicit change and promote governmental policies such as funding for various programs, awareness and causes....One thing we did wrong was break up into too many groups  with a divided mission. If you look at aids awareness there is one clear message, people are dying, this is how you get it, we need to cure it. In the autism community we lost track of the main goals. In fighting has hampered us since the beginning and still does. I think that is why it took as long as it did and caused great controversy along the way.
So  hopefully you can find my point in my rambling...lol.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 19, 2009, 04:20:32 PM
TRACYGIRL SAID:  Puzzle, funny you use that term. There are many pieces of the puzzle and all work together for change. If you don't mind, one bit of advise  from a person who was at the start of the autism awareness program which was to elicit change and promote governmental policies such as funding for various programs, awareness and causes....One thing we did wrong was break up into too many groups  with a divided mission. If you look at aids awareness there is one clear message, people are dying, this is how you get it, we need to cure it. In the autism community we lost track of the main goals. In fighting has hampered us since the beginning and still does. I think that is why it took as long as it did and caused great controversy along the way.
So  hopefully you can find my point in my rambling...lol.  

EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT ADVICE!  I'd hug you right now if you were standing in front of me.  The ONLY way to do this effectively is to approach it with ONE CLEAR MESSAGE!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.    ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 05:32:38 PM
TRACYGIRL SAID:  Puzzle, funny you use that term. There are many pieces of the puzzle and all work together for change. If you don't mind, one bit of advise  from a person who was at the start of the autism awareness program which was to elicit change and promote governmental policies such as funding for various programs, awareness and causes....One thing we did wrong was break up into too many groups  with a divided mission. If you look at aids awareness there is one clear message, people are dying, this is how you get it, we need to cure it. In the autism community we lost track of the main goals. In fighting has hampered us since the beginning and still does. I think that is why it took as long as it did and caused great controversy along the way.
So  hopefully you can find my point in my rambling...lol.  

EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT ADVICE!  I'd hug you right now if you were standing in front of me.  The ONLY way to do this effectively is to approach it with ONE CLEAR MESSAGE!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.    ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


LOL you are too funny. Yes and what I should have said to make what I was saying clear is,  use a basic marketing approach,
1. what is the product (or message)
2. How  will it work for me (why should I care)
3. and why do I need it, (How will it affect me).  
All the while tugging on emotions.

BUT! so I am understanding everything, a plan of action is wanted to enact stronger laws to prevent and punish the use or making of child porn as well as participating in child molestation. right? 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: BluesyGram on May 20, 2009, 02:46:33 AM
Good afternoon Monkeys & hope everyone is enjoying their day.  I just got caught up with the posts and have to thank you all for your passion for Sandra and for all the great information you have brought forward.  Even with the gag order in place, you have been outstanding.  Thank you.  Since it is quiet here today, I would like to share a tribute to Sandra that I found on youtube:


Thanks for posting this.  It was beautiful.  That darn surveillance video makes me cry every time.  I wish we had the power to turn back time.



Thanks so much for all of your info and help, Jess.  I trolled around the GAO site...and you are right....it moved right in with intellectual properties...WTH?  (There is money in that right?)  Even when you went to the site map...no category for Child Porn...that needs changing IMO.

I have come up with some info...(haven't had time to still my mind yet to really dig in) on the sites/links below:  (Not sure if they are just 'talkin' about it or have any ideas for a solution)

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PublicHomeServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US

tp://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=184


http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&article_id=1139&issue_id=32007


Take care..and "yes we can" make a difference.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 20, 2009, 08:37:02 AM
TRACYGIRL SAID:  Puzzle, funny you use that term. There are many pieces of the puzzle and all work together for change. If you don't mind, one bit of advise  from a person who was at the start of the autism awareness program which was to elicit change and promote governmental policies such as funding for various programs, awareness and causes....One thing we did wrong was break up into too many groups  with a divided mission. If you look at aids awareness there is one clear message, people are dying, this is how you get it, we need to cure it. In the autism community we lost track of the main goals. In fighting has hampered us since the beginning and still does. I think that is why it took as long as it did and caused great controversy along the way.
So  hopefully you can find my point in my rambling...lol.  

EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT ADVICE!  I'd hug you right now if you were standing in front of me.  The ONLY way to do this effectively is to approach it with ONE CLEAR MESSAGE!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.    ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


LOL you are too funny. Yes and what I should have said to make what I was saying clear is,  use a basic marketing approach,
1. what is the product (or message)
2. How  will it work for me (why should I care)
3. and why do I need it, (How will it affect me).  
All the while tugging on emotions.

BUT! so I am understanding everything, a plan of action is wanted to enact stronger laws to prevent and punish the use or making of child porn as well as participating in child molestation. right?  

Yes, with dedicated resources and funding to support it.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 20, 2009, 08:39:57 AM
Help!  Can someone point me in the direction of the image that shows Fred Williams in the pickup driving away from leaving the "From Sandra To My Killer" note?  Or better yet, post it here?  I can't find it.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 20, 2009, 09:05:38 AM
keep up the good work Monkeys!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: N2WISHN on May 20, 2009, 01:07:47 PM
Huckaby's child at center of court fight
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By Daniel Thigpen
Record Staff Writer
May 20, 2009 6:00 AM
As Melissa Huckaby faces charges she kidnapped, raped and killed 8-year-old Sandra Cantu in March, the Tracy woman's mother and ex-husband are waging a bitter court battle for custody of the murder suspect's young daughter.

On April 16, less than a week after Tracy police arrested his ex-wife in connection with Sandra's death, Johnny Huckaby asked a court to give him custody of their 5-year-old daughter, citing the rape and murder allegations in court papers filed in Orange County Superior Court.

Madison Huckaby, who was Sandra's playmate, has been living with Melissa Huckaby's parents, Judy and Brian Lawless, in the Southern California town of Cypress since last month's arrest, according to court filings.

Court Commissioner Walter Posey initially granted Johnny Huckaby, 25, custody of his daughter on April 20. But Posey reversed course two days later, after Judy Lawless pleaded with the court to let her keep the child.

In court papers, Judy Lawless said Madison has lived with her most of her life and has had little contact with her father, who has since remarried and lives 1,700 miles away, just outside Little Rock, Ark.

A custody hearing Monday was postponed until July 6.

Johnny Huckaby, Judy Lawless and their lawyers did not return calls for comment late Tuesday.

Madison befriended Sandra in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park in Tracy, where the 8-year-old disappeared March 27.

Sandra's body was found 10 days later inside a suitcase that was dumped in a nearby pond. Melissa Huckaby was arrested April 10.

At the time, Madison was living with her mother and Melissa Huckaby's grandparents, Lane and Connie Lawless, a few doors down from Sandra's family in the trailer park.

Judy Lawless is the daughter-in-law of Lane and Connie Lawless.

Lane Lawless is also pastor of the tiny Clover Road Baptist Church, where Melissa Huckaby taught Sunday school.

Melissa and Johnny Huckaby's marriage was brief.

She was five months' pregnant and had recently filed for bankruptcy when they married in 2003. They separated a year later, and Melissa Huckaby filed for divorce in Orange County in 2005.

In divorce papers, Melissa Huckaby accused her estranged husband of domestic violence, alcohol abuse and child abduction, allegations he denies. Melissa Huckaby was granted custody of their daughter, and Johnny Huckaby was allowed supervised visits.

In a recent court filing, Judy Lawless said Madison and Melissa Huckaby lived with her in Orange County from the fall of 2004 until June 2008, before moving to the Tracy mobile home park.

To avoid the news media covering Melissa Huckaby's arrest, Judy Lawless took Madison and, until April 20, was staying with a relative in Oregon, according to court documents.

Johnny Huckaby wrote in court papers that he traveled to Oregon with the court order to retrieve his daughter, but Judy Lawless had already taken her back to Southern California. He accuses her of lying to him about Madison's whereabouts.
Johnny Huckaby also claims that, in recent years, his ex-wife denied his attempts to contact their daughter, threatening to hide out in Oregon and tell Madison he was not her father.
In an April 17 interview with ABC News, the day after he filed his custody request, Johnny Huckaby said he hoped for the sake of their daughter that his ex-wife is innocent of the criminal charges that make her eligible for the death penalty.

"I do not want my daughter growing up with that type of legacy to look forward to," he said. He said their daughter was not aware of her mother's situation.

Melissa Huckaby has not entered a plea. She is scheduled to appear again in San Joaquin County Superior Court on Friday.

Contact reporter Daniel Thigpen at (209) 546-8254 or dthigpen@recordnet.com.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090520/A_NEWS/905200330


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 20, 2009, 02:55:44 PM
Tracygirl, referencing our exchange of posts yesterday.  Sometimes the abusers are those who are supposed to be protecting our kids.  Sad, sad, sad. . .  Note, this was a federal bust, not a local one.

Ex-Sheriff's Deputy Pleads Guilty To Child Porn Possession

May 20, 2009

LOS ANGELES - A former San Luis Obispo County sheriff's deputy has pleaded guilty to felony possession of child pornography.
     
Bryan Jon Goossens entered the plea Tuesday in Los Angeles federal court. He faces up to 10 years in prison when he's sentenced Aug. 31.
     
The 47-year-old ex-deputy, who resigned from the department shortly before his arrest last August, is free on $5,000 bail.
     
Goossens was among dozens of arrests after an eight-month FBI investigation into a child porn Web site. Federal prosecutor Justin Rhoades says evidence found at the Goossens home in Atascadero linked him to the site.



http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Ex-Sheriffs-Deputy-Pleads-Guilty-To-Chil=1&blockID=292865&feedID=190


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 20, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
Huckaby's child at center of court fight
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By Daniel Thigpen
Record Staff Writer
May 20, 2009 6:00 AM
As Melissa Huckaby faces charges she kidnapped, raped and killed 8-year-old Sandra Cantu in March, the Tracy woman's mother and ex-husband are waging a bitter court battle for custody of the murder suspect's young daughter.

On April 16, less than a week after Tracy police arrested his ex-wife in connection with Sandra's death, Johnny Huckaby asked a court to give him custody of their 5-year-old daughter, citing the rape and murder allegations in court papers filed in Orange County Superior Court.

Madison Huckaby, who was Sandra's playmate, has been living with Melissa Huckaby's parents, Judy and Brian Lawless, in the Southern California town of Cypress since last month's arrest, according to court filings.

Court Commissioner Walter Posey initially granted Johnny Huckaby, 25, custody of his daughter on April 20. But Posey reversed course two days later, after Judy Lawless pleaded with the court to let her keep the child.

In court papers, Judy Lawless said Madison has lived with her most of her life and has had little contact with her father, who has since remarried and lives 1,700 miles away, just outside Little Rock, Ark.

A custody hearing Monday was postponed until July 6.

Johnny Huckaby, Judy Lawless and their lawyers did not return calls for comment late Tuesday.

Madison befriended Sandra in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park in Tracy, where the 8-year-old disappeared March 27.

Sandra's body was found 10 days later inside a suitcase that was dumped in a nearby pond. Melissa Huckaby was arrested April 10.

At the time, Madison was living with her mother and Melissa Huckaby's grandparents, Lane and Connie Lawless, a few doors down from Sandra's family in the trailer park.

Judy Lawless is the daughter-in-law of Lane and Connie Lawless.

Lane Lawless is also pastor of the tiny Clover Road Baptist Church, where Melissa Huckaby taught Sunday school.

Melissa and Johnny Huckaby's marriage was brief.

She was five months' pregnant and had recently filed for bankruptcy when they married in 2003. They separated a year later, and Melissa Huckaby filed for divorce in Orange County in 2005.

In divorce papers, Melissa Huckaby accused her estranged husband of domestic violence, alcohol abuse and child abduction, allegations he denies. Melissa Huckaby was granted custody of their daughter, and Johnny Huckaby was allowed supervised visits.

In a recent court filing, Judy Lawless said Madison and Melissa Huckaby lived with her in Orange County from the fall of 2004 until June 2008, before moving to the Tracy mobile home park.

To avoid the news media covering Melissa Huckaby's arrest, Judy Lawless took Madison and, until April 20, was staying with a relative in Oregon, according to court documents.

Johnny Huckaby wrote in court papers that he traveled to Oregon with the court order to retrieve his daughter, but Judy Lawless had already taken her back to Southern California. He accuses her of lying to him about Madison's whereabouts.
Johnny Huckaby also claims that, in recent years, his ex-wife denied his attempts to contact their daughter, threatening to hide out in Oregon and tell Madison he was not her father.
In an April 17 interview with ABC News, the day after he filed his custody request, Johnny Huckaby said he hoped for the sake of their daughter that his ex-wife is innocent of the criminal charges that make her eligible for the death penalty.

"I do not want my daughter growing up with that type of legacy to look forward to," he said. He said their daughter was not aware of her mother's situation.

Melissa Huckaby has not entered a plea. She is scheduled to appear again in San Joaquin County Superior Court on Friday.

Contact reporter Daniel Thigpen at (209) 546-8254 or dthigpen@recordnet.com.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090520/A_NEWS/905200330

OK, this makes no sense to me. If I were his lawyer I would file ex parte in a heartbeat. Why hasnt he? She is the GMA, rights observances apply regardless. This child was removed from home on 3/28, the day after the girl her Mother allegedly murdered went missing, and MH had not lived with her since 9 months ago, somethings wrong here. Well, I guess we have confirmation on Oregon as suspected on the research thread
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 20, 2009, 06:46:30 PM
The whole custody of MH daughter has not made sense to begin with. First off, there is no way you can go to court without proof of abuse and be awarded full custody. A judge would have to see proof of service and the dad not responding. He has said something like, she filed for full custody and didn't tell me, she went in to court and fabricated a story and the judge took my rights away.....Trust me I know and I know good how the courts in California protect the parental rights of the father. This is not how it happened, imho of course!



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 20, 2009, 09:41:14 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted....been kinda busy  ::MonkeyConfused::

Friday Huckaby hearing could put case on fast track
May 20, 2009 7:53 PM
STOCKTON — Melissa Huckaby’s hearing on Friday — the third since her April arrest — could put the high-profile case on a fast track and start to answer questions about the gruesome killing of 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu.

Huckaby, 28, stands accused of kidnapping, rape with an instrument and murder. Yet investigators have not yet revealed key details, such as a motive, how Sandra died and what Huckaby alleged used to rape her.

Sandra vanished March 27 from a Tracy mobile home park. Her body was found April 6 stuffed in a black suitcase dumped in a rural irrigation pond north of Tracy. Tracy police arrested Huckaby four days later following an emotional interview with investigators.

If San Joaquin County Deputy Public Defender Sam Behar enters a plea on behalf of Huckaby, he also could assert her right to a speedy trial and a preliminary hearing within 10 court days.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090520/A_NEWS/90520011


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 20, 2009, 09:53:02 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted....been kinda busy  ::MonkeyConfused::

Friday Huckaby hearing could put case on fast track
May 20, 2009 7:53 PM
STOCKTON — Melissa Huckaby’s hearing on Friday — the third since her April arrest — could put the high-profile case on a fast track and start to answer questions about the gruesome killing of 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu.

Huckaby, 28, stands accused of kidnapping, rape with an instrument and murder. Yet investigators have not yet revealed key details, such as a motive, how Sandra died and what Huckaby alleged used to rape her.

Sandra vanished March 27 from a Tracy mobile home park. Her body was found April 6 stuffed in a black suitcase dumped in a rural irrigation pond north of Tracy. Tracy police arrested Huckaby four days later following an emotional interview with investigators.

If San Joaquin County Deputy Public Defender Sam Behar enters a plea on behalf of Huckaby, he also could assert her right to a speedy trial and a preliminary hearing within 10 court days.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090520/A_NEWS/90520011

I doubt very much that any questions will be answered on Friday with the exception of procedural ones.   But I've been surprised before.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 20, 2009, 11:02:47 PM
A slightly more detailed article about the custody battle and Oregon connection:

Huckaby swallowed razor blades in suicide try, ex-husband says
by Jennifer Wadsworth

May 20, 2009

The ex-husband of the woman accused of the rape and murder of an 8-year-old Tracy girl said in court filings that the suspect swallowed three razor blades in an attempt to kill herself before her April 10 arrest.

Anonymous sources have mentioned the suicide attempt of Melissa Chantel Huckaby before, but the statement filed in the Orange County Superior Court last month marks the first time someone publicly connected the 28-year-old to that allegation.

Huckaby even told the Tracy Press hours before her arrest that she was hospitalized for “internal bleeding,” but refused to elaborate.

Johnny Huckaby — who married Melissa Huckaby in 2005 before their divorce a year later — told a judge that she also forged her mother’s signature on divorce papers. And he said she lied when she accused him in divorce papers of physically abusing her and using drugs.

The allegations came up during an April 20 hearing over whether Johnny Huckaby or his former mother-in-law Judy Lawless should get custody of Melissa’s 6-year-old daughter, Madison Taylor Huckaby.

Johnny Huckaby argued that the horrific charges that sent his ex-wife to jail should entitle him to win custody of Madison. Orange County Commissioner Walter Posey granted his request last month, but reversed that decision after Lawless begged him to let her keep the sickly child at her home in Cypress.

A custody hearing earlier this week was postponed until July 6.

Lawless accused Johnny Huckaby of being a deadbeat dad. She said he lives 1,700 miles away in just outside Little Rock, Ark., and never tried to contact his daughter.

“There were also issues of drugs, alcohol and possibly domestic violence in this case,” she said in an April 22 court declaration. From the time Madison was 1-year-old up to now, she has had virtually no contact with her father, Lawless said.

“I do not believe it is in our granddaughter’s best interests to be placed with somebody she does not know.”

She said that after the media frenzy that followed her daughter Melissa Huckaby’s arrest on charges that she raped and killed 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, Lawless took Madison to a relative’s house in Grants Pass, Ore., to protect her from the chaos in Tracy.

Johnny Huckaby called Lawless on her cell phone to find out where she had taken his daughter. He asked if Madison had seen horses that day, and Lawless said that she had, “indicating that Madison and she were still in Oregon,” Johnny Huckaby said in court filings. Sources have said the Lawless family has a ranch in Oregon.

He didn’t tell Lawless at the time that a judge had already signed papers granting him legal custody of his daughter. But when he flew to Oregon and showed up at the aunt’s house on April 19, Lawless and Madison had already flown back to Cypress.

“What the hell are you doing?” he said he asked Lawless once he got her on the phone again.

“I can’t believe that you are doing this to your daughter,” she responded, according to Johnny Huckaby.

He said he accused Lawless of lying to him about Madison’s whereabouts and that she replied, “I didn’t want anyone to know where she was.”

Over the past couple of years, Johnny Huckaby said he has tried several times to get in touch with his daughter. But Lawless told him that if he tried to see Madison, she would whisk her away to Oregon and “disappear,” he added.

Further, she would tell Madison that she was conceived through artificial insemination, Johnny Huckaby said, “indicating to me that she didn’t want Madison to know that I existed.”

But, he continued, he’s a very stable father, is married, has a 5-year-old stepson, a 1-year-old daughter and a steady job back home in Arkansas.

Johnny Huckaby married Melissa Huckaby just a week after she filed for bankruptcy, records show. At the time, she was five months pregnant with Madison.

Lawless and Johnny Huckaby could not be reached for comment. Their attorneys declined to say anything about the case.

Melissa Huckaby, who has yet to enter a plea, is due back in court at 1 p.m. Friday for further arraignment.

Police arrested her four days after they found Sandra’s body stuffed in a suitcase submerged in a dairy lagoon north of Tracy. She had been missing for 10 days. Sandra used to play with Madison at the Tracy Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on Clover Road, where the two of them lived.

Madison’s father told ABC’s Good Morning America last month that the little girl was unaware of her mom’s situation.

Melissa Huckaby faces charges of murder with special circumstances for rape with a foreign object, committing lewd and lascivious acts on a child and kidnapping. If convicted, she could face the death penalty.

•Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Huckaby%20swallowed%20razor%20blades%20in%20suicide%20try-%20ex-husband%20says%20=&page_label=home&id=2594324-Huckaby+swallowed+razor+blades+in+suicide+try-+ex-husband+says&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 20, 2009, 11:07:49 PM
Grants pass oregon? That is where the Tim lawless line has the roofing company which is across from the cemetary that looks like a compound!

BTW, folks, get ready and buckle your seat belts, there is something big about to happen I think. Strange things are happening here in the land of pedophilia. I am not sure how much I should say but there has been a lot of activity lately, certainly not the norm....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on May 22, 2009, 09:55:30 AM
 Huckaby Now Charged With Poisoning Two People
Source: AP    

BreakingNews
The Tracy woman charged with the killing of an eight-year-old girl is due back in court, while the case against her takes another twist. Melissa Huckaby is now also facing charges she poisoned two people.

The Tracy woman charged with the killing of an eight-year-old girl is due back in court, while the case against her takes another twist.

Melissa Huckaby is scheduled to appear in San Joaquin County Superior Court Friday for further arraignment on charges that she kidnapped, raped and murdered Sandra Cantu,

Her scheduled appearance comes after prosecutors filed additional charges against Huckaby alleging that she tried to poison two people.

In a new complaint filed Thursday, prosecutors say Huckaby gave what they termed a "a harmful substance" to a seven-year-old girl in January and an adult man in March. The type of substance was not revealed in the complaint.

Although the complaint does not name the girl, CBS13 talked exclusively with the mother of a little girl allegedly poisoned by Huckaby on the same day named in the complaint.  The mother who wishes only to be called "Laura" said Huckaby took her daughter without permission.

Laura called 911 after finding her daughter was missing when she returned home from work on January 17, and police let Huckaby go once she brought Laura's daughter home.

A doctor at a local hospital determined later that night that the young girl had been drugged with a muscle relaxant.  At the time, investigators said they couldn't prove Huckaby was responsible because too much time had passed between the girl's return and the doctor's finding.

Laura told CBS13 she was disappointed police didn't take her more seriously at the time.

"I was shocked, but I kept telling them to look into Melissa Huckaby a little bit more," Laura said. She says she believes if authorities investigated Huckaby more closely, Sandra might still be alive.

The girl has since recovered. The man has not been located.

Edit to add link per Izzy:
http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/poison.melissa.huckaby.2.1016573.html



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 10:18:54 AM
Thanks, what about this man she drugged  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Hopefully more will come out on this  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Anna on May 22, 2009, 10:19:19 AM
I have completely missed the poisoning of the man in the above article.

Can someone tell me who this is that MH is now charged with poisoning?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on May 22, 2009, 10:34:23 AM
I have completely missed the poisoning of the man in the above article.

Can someone tell me who this is that MH is now charged with poisoning?

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6826737
Huckaby due in court on poisoning charges
Friday, May 22, 2009 | 7:16 AM

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The charges have nothing to do with Sandra Cantu. They allege that Huckaby poisoned a 7-year-old girl and a man in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

  By Terry McSweeney

STOCKTON, CA (KGO) -- The Tracy mother accused of murdering a neighborhood girl is making a court appearance on Friday. Melissa Huckaby will also be facing three newly filed charges involving poison.

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The charges have nothing to do with Sandra Cantu. They allege that Huckaby poisoned a 7-year-old girl and a man in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.
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The new complaint charges Huckaby with a single count of child endangerment and two felony counts of furnishing a harmful substance.

Huckaby allegedly poisoned a 7-year-old girl on January 17th and also drugged a man on March 2nd. He is ID'd as Daniel Plowman, there is no other information known about him.

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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Anna on May 22, 2009, 10:39:27 AM
Thanks, MuffyBee.

So now there are multiple victims.  I will BOLO for info on this Daniel Plowman.  These two people may well be lucky to be alive.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 10:45:57 AM
Good morning monkeys.  Thank you for the updates.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Here is the same article from recordnet:

STOCKTON — Prosecutors on Thursday filed three additional felony counts against Melissa Huckaby, charging her with poisoning two people, including a 7-year-old girl and an adult man.

The girl lived in the same Tracy mobile home park as the slain Sandra Cantu.

Huckaby, 28, is expected to appear in the San Joaquin County Superior Court today for further arraignment on previous charges that she kidnapped, raped and murdered 8-year-old Sandra on March 27 before dumping the girl’s body in an irrigation pond north of Tracy.

Huckaby’s attorney, Sam Behar, was expected to enter a plea on his client’s behalf at today’s hearing but the new charges could lead to a change in the defense strategy.

The new complaint charges Huckaby with a single count of child endangerment and two felony counts of furnishing a harmful substance, which is not identified in the document.

In both counts of alleged poisoning, the complaint says Huckaby “did willfully and unlawfully mingle a harmful substance with food or drink with the intent that (it) be taken by a human being.”

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090521/A_NEWS/90521013


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 10:51:08 AM
Daniel Plowman.  Didn't his name come up before in this case?  Was he the one she accused of stalking her or something.  Sorry, my memory isn't reliable.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 11:12:20 AM
Daniel Plowman.  Didn't his name come up before in this case?  Was he the one she accused of stalking her or something.  Sorry, my memory isn't reliable.  ::MonkeyWaa::
I'm very curious about this also, did he not go to the police after it happened, or just recently, and why would she poison this man  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on May 22, 2009, 11:22:37 AM
Sorry!  I had to take my son to school.  Here is the link


http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/poison.melissa.huckaby.2.1016573.html

Edit:  I've added it to your post with the article.  Thank you for providing it.
OT~ My car should say "mom's taxi", because I too am running my son to and from ____________. (fill in blank)  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2009, 11:28:14 AM
NEW BLINK POST:


http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/22/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-in-court-daniel-plowman-and-jane-doe-new-victims-3-more-charges-added-by-da/


SANDRA CANTU CASE: HUCKABY IN COURT- DANIEL PLOWMAN AND JANE DOE NEW VICTIMS -3 MORE CHARGES ADDED BY DA


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 11:30:38 AM
Daniel Plowman.  Didn't his name come up before in this case?  Was he the one she accused of stalking her or something.  Sorry, my memory isn't reliable.  ::MonkeyWaa::
I'm very curious about this also, did he not go to the police after it happened, or just recently, and why would she poison this man  ::MonkeyConfused::

All good questions No Rose.  I'm going to look through some old articles to see if I can find where his name first came up.  I had done a google search on him before & came up with nadda.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
Thank you Klaas.  Very helpful.   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 11:40:27 AM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090522/A_NEWS/905220312


By Scott Smith
Record Staff Writer
May 22, 2009 6:00 AM
STOCKTON - Prosecutors on Thursday filed three additional felony counts against Melissa Huckaby, charging her with poisoning two people, including a 7-year-old girl and an adult man.

The girl lived in the same Tracy mobile home park as the slain Sandra Cantu.

Huckaby, 28, is expected to appear in San Joaquin County Superior Court today for further arraignment on previous charges that she kidnapped, raped and murdered 8-year-old Sandra on March 27 before dumping the girl's body in an irrigation pond north of Tracy.

Huckaby's attorney, Sam Behar, was expected to enter a plea on his client's behalf at today's hearing, but the new charges could lead to a change in the defense strategy.

The new complaint charges Huckaby with a single count of child endangerment and two felony counts of furnishing a harmful substance, which is not identified in the document.

In both counts of alleged poisoning, the complaint says Huckaby "did willfully and unlawfully mingle a harmful substance with food or drink with the intent that (it) be taken by a human being."

The complaint charges Huckaby with poisoning the 7-year-old girl, identified only as Jane M. Doe, on Jan. 17, the same day a woman in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park - where both Sandra and Huckaby lived - reported to Tracy police that Huckaby returned her daughter drugged with a muscle relaxant.

Tracy police fell under scrutiny for failing to thoroughly investigate the report. Rather, detectives reportedly accused the girl's mother of giving her daughter the pills and ended their investigation. The girl recovered from the poisoning.

In the second poisoning charge, Huckaby allegedly drugged a man identified as Daniel Plowman on March 2 - 21/2 months after the first alleged poisoning and 25 days before Sandra was reported missing. Her body was found April 6.
Plowman's relationship with Huckaby is unclear, and his whereabouts are unknown. He could not be located for comment Thursday. The complaint doesn't give his age or any details of the alleged poisoning.

A judge's gag order prevents attorneys, investigators and potential witnesses from talking to the media. Huckaby is scheduled to appear before San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus at 1 p.m. today.

Contact reporter Scott Smith at (209) 546-8296 or ssmith@recordnet.com.


Anyone heard this name? I haven't.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 11:43:07 AM
Should have known Blink would have it already!

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/22/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-in-court-daniel-plowman-and-jane-doe-new-victims-3-more-charges-added-by-da/


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 11:45:08 AM
Sheesh, lol, you all are fast! My posts are old news!

somthing about that man! Why would She drug a sex offender? Seems like he would go there willingly?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 12:07:37 PM
Sheesh, lol, you all are fast! My posts are old news!

somthing about that man! Why would She drug a sex offender? Seems like he would go there willingly?  ::MonkeyConfused::

The drugging of an adult male is truly a curveball in this case.  I have to admit, I never saw that coming.  This is going to take some time to sort out.  At a minimum, it raises serious motive questions, especially if LE is right that MH acted alone.  Wow. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 12:11:39 PM
Here's the amended complaint.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 12:14:13 PM
What concerns me now is, was her name brought up again to LE? I want to know the details of this drugging. Were did he live? Sorry if that was posted, I missed it.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Sheesh, lol, you all are fast! My posts are old news!

somthing about that man! Why would She drug a sex offender? Seems like he would go there willingly?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Tracygirl.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for the updated link & info from recordnet.  You always bring so much to this thread! 

I knew I had heard his name before, so must have been in connection with the sex offenders in that area.  I hope we can dig up more on him.

Blink's article says he was arrested on March 3 for "using or being under the influence of a controlled substance."
radaronline reported  "Huckaby allegedly drugged a man identified as Daniel Plowman on March 2"


Very interesting!

(links posted above to Blink's article & recordnet article)

Edit to fix error per cece


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 12:19:05 PM
Sorry, my above post should credit recordnet (not radaronline).  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think I need to go make lunch!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Edit: fixed


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 12:24:40 PM
Here's the amended complaint.



Thank you JessStar.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 12:28:47 PM
Thank you MuffyBee!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 12:33:05 PM
Sheesh, lol, you all are fast! My posts are old news!

somthing about that man! Why would She drug a sex offender? Seems like he would go there willingly?  ::MonkeyConfused::

The drugging of an adult male is truly a curveball in this case.  I have to admit, I never saw that coming.  This is going to take some time to sort out.  At a minimum, it raises serious motive questions, especially if LE is right that MH acted alone.  Wow. 
Everytime I say I will not be surprised with anything, I get surprised. ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know what to think about this new development.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 12:35:12 PM
Here's the amended complaint.



Jess-
Don't you find it out no false imprisonment charges on Jane Doe? I admit kidnapping might be a stretch, but given the drugging and lack of permission?

Lastly, these are ammended to the original charges, indicating they were alleged "in the commission" of original counts and not filed seperately. To date, Huckaby is NOT charged with drugging Sandra, so I am very confused.

Plowman was arrested on 3/3 as per my article, how did they make the connection to him and how is it consistent with the commission to include it with the current complaint? Why drug a dude?

If I were Johnny Huckaby I would file ex parte and get that kid immediately and make sure she is examined thoroughly.
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 22, 2009, 12:45:48 PM
I wonder what else she may have done that we just don't know about yet?
Only time will tell. Something is seriously messed up in her family. I don't buy it that they didn't have any warning signs that something wasn't right with her.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on May 22, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
PS. Hi Blink. Great work you are doing and thank you for everything you do!
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 12:49:39 PM
I wonder what else she may have done that we just don't know about yet?
Only time will tell. Something is seriously messed up in her family. I don't buy it that they didn't have any warning signs that something wasn't right with her.
I've been wondering that also. And I agree with Blink, get Melissa's child away from that family now, and have her checked out quick  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 12:51:44 PM
Blink, yes why drug a dude? Was she trying to kill him or take advantage of him? Homosexual pics are big business. BTW I visited his myspace page you have listed wow or wow! My son was sitting next to me, thank god watching clifford! was not expecting a half naked girl! lol, I should know better then to click on a link without first shielding my screen, lol.
So a guy like that, has a 1/2 naked girl on his myspace page, why drug him if she was taking advantage of him?

When is the hearing today?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: pink angel on May 22, 2009, 12:52:29 PM
Here's the amended complaint.



Jess-
Don't you find it out no false imprisonment charges on Jane Doe? I admit kidnapping might be a stretch, but given the drugging and lack of permission?

Lastly, these are ammended to the original charges, indicating they were alleged "in the commission" of original counts and not filed seperately. To date, Huckaby is NOT charged with drugging Sandra, so I am very confused.

Plowman was arrested on 3/3 as per my article, how did they make the connection to him and how is it consistent with the commission to include it with the current complaint? Why drug a dude?

If I were Johnny Huckaby I would file ex parte and get that kid immediately and make sure she is examined thoroughly.
B

How was she charged three additional charges of poisoning? Jane Doe is one and Daniel is two....??


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: pink angel on May 22, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
The new complaint charges Huckaby with a single count of child endangerment.

nebbermind. reading helps.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: pink angel on May 22, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
Blink, yes why drug a dude? Was she trying to kill him or take advantage of him? Homosexual pics are big business. BTW I visited his myspace page you have listed wow or wow! My son was sitting next to me, thank god watching clifford! was not expecting a half naked girl! lol, I should know better then to click on a link without first shielding my screen, lol.
So a guy like that, has a 1/2 naked girl on his myspace page, why drug him if she was taking advantage of him?

When is the hearing today?

1 PM on the West Coast, Ms. Tracy.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: pink angel on May 22, 2009, 01:03:26 PM
I believe he is from Arnold, CA.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 01:04:52 PM
Here's the amended complaint.



Jess-
Don't you find it out no false imprisonment charges on Jane Doe? I admit kidnapping might be a stretch, but given the drugging and lack of permission?

Lastly, these are ammended to the original charges, indicating they were alleged "in the commission" of original counts and not filed seperately. To date, Huckaby is NOT charged with drugging Sandra, so I am very confused.

Plowman was arrested on 3/3 as per my article, how did they make the connection to him and how is it consistent with the commission to include it with the current complaint? Why drug a dude?

If I were Johnny Huckaby I would file ex parte and get that kid immediately and make sure she is examined thoroughly.
B

How was she charged three additional charges of poisoning? Jane Doe is one and Daniel is two....??

she wasnt.
1 charge child endangerment
2 charges drugging


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 01:06:30 PM
The new complaint charges Huckaby with a single count of child endangerment.

nebbermind. reading helps.

LOL
He is from Hayward, CA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Plowman1.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: pink angel on May 22, 2009, 01:14:49 PM
The new complaint charges Huckaby with a single count of child endangerment.

nebbermind. reading helps.

LOL
He is from Hayward, CA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Plowman1.jpg)


I found one the same name in Arnold, with a phone.

just an fyi


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 01:23:32 PM
Blink, yes why drug a dude? Was she trying to kill him or take advantage of him? Homosexual pics are big business. BTW I visited his myspace page you have listed wow or wow! My son was sitting next to me, thank god watching clifford! was not expecting a half naked girl! lol, I should know better then to click on a link without first shielding my screen, lol.
So a guy like that, has a 1/2 naked girl on his myspace page, why drug him if she was taking advantage of him?

When is the hearing today?
  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I didn't have a child next to me watching Clifford, but the half naked woman sure jumped out there quickly. Why would you drug a man like this, who certainly would not have said no to the possibility of sex. I'm either very confused or naive, or both  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 01:26:52 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Plowman2.jpg)



This is him Pink, the addresses I have for him are Hayward and Napa, but Im not local.
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 01:29:32 PM
Blink, yes why drug a dude? Was she trying to kill him or take advantage of him? Homosexual pics are big business. BTW I visited his myspace page you have listed wow or wow! My son was sitting next to me, thank god watching clifford! was not expecting a half naked girl! lol, I should know better then to click on a link without first shielding my screen, lol.
So a guy like that, has a 1/2 naked girl on his myspace page, why drug him if she was taking advantage of him?

When is the hearing today?
  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I didn't have a child next to me watching Clifford, but the half naked woman sure jumped out there quickly. Why would you drug a man like this, who certainly would not have said no to the possibility of sex. I'm either very confused or naive, or both  ::MonkeyEek::

Im stuck on the "commission" aspect. Shes not charged with drugging Sandra, so can we assume this goes in concert with the sex offense allegations? YOu got me. All I can say is the same thing I have said from day one, till this thing is over, there will be several arrests, for several different things, i can feel it
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 22, 2009, 01:40:25 PM
G'Mornin' Monkeys!!!
TGIF
(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv63/koon_yan82/aixinkopi.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
I just thought of a reason to drug a man, accidently! Maybe it was meant for someone else?



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
I just thought of a reason to drug a man, accidently! Maybe it was meant for someone else?



I really dont want to speculate but I can think of plenty of reasons if I were in the porn/child porn business.
Not an allegation, but getting close to one. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
I just thought of a reason to drug a man, accidently! Maybe it was meant for someone else?



I really dont want to speculate but I can think of plenty of reasons if I were in the porn/child porn business.
Not an allegation, but getting close to one. 
This is just unbelievable, I truly am afraid to hear what's next  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 02:33:48 PM
Here's the amended complaint.



Jess-
Don't you find it out no false imprisonment charges on Jane Doe? I admit kidnapping might be a stretch, but given the drugging and lack of permission?

Lastly, these are ammended to the original charges, indicating they were alleged "in the commission" of original counts and not filed seperately. To date, Huckaby is NOT charged with drugging Sandra, so I am very confused.

Plowman was arrested on 3/3 as per my article, how did they make the connection to him and how is it consistent with the commission to include it with the current complaint? Why drug a dude?

If I were Johnny Huckaby I would file ex parte and get that kid immediately and make sure she is examined thoroughly.
B

Good afternoon Monkeys!  What a twist, that's what I say.  Here's my take on Blink's questions.  First, false imprisonment of Jane Doe.  At this point, LE probably has insufficient evidence to make the charge and withstand an arraignment on it.  The evidence (at least to the extent we know it) is the typical "he said she said."  MH says I had permission, Mom says no you didn't, I'm not sure what GM says, but her credibility would be questionable.  They'd need stronger evidence to support a charge.  Second, they really don't need it.  Due to the gravity of the other offenses, they don't need to complicate their case with a false imprisonment charge, which contains separate and independent elements and probably doesn't add much in the way of punishment.

Regarding the relationship of the new charges to the old charges, you almost need a flow chart to follow them!   Let me give this a shot.

Count 1 contains the murder, kidnapping, lewdness, and rape charges against MH.  The way MH has been charged, the K, L, and R charges are special circumstances to the murder charge.

Count 2 and 3 contain the child endangerment charge and the furnishing an unlawful substance charge for the January incident.

Count 4 contains the furnishing an unlawful substance charge for the drugging of Daniel Plowman. 

The way the complaint is written, all charges flow back to Count 1.

I believe there are 3 principal reasons why the complaint was written this way.  First, to prevent merger.  The prosecution needs to let the court and the defense know that all charges are separate charges relating to separate events so that one doesn't "merge" into the other.  Second, to prevent severance.  If the charges were entirely separate and were not connected, the defense would file a motion to sever them, and MH would be entitled to three separate trials.  Third, it makes the admission of prior bad acts evidence a slam dunk because the acts are no longer "prior."  They are part of the same criminal course of conduct.

Again, I would not read much into the fact that MH hasn't been charged with drugging or poisoning Sandra.  For tactical and strategic reasons, they don't need to go there just yet.  Why?  Because likely for tactical and strategic reasons, the prosecution has not yet disclosed the cause of death.  Trust me . . . they're linked.

Now, let me interject this little tidbit as food for thought.  The speculation all along has been that Sandra was the victim of a sex crime gone bad.  That is, the speculation was that Sandra was drugged, raped, and then murdered.  But if you think about it, we really don't have the evidence to conclude that the crimes were necessarily committed in that order now, do we?  An interesting conundrum to say the least.  Looking at all the circumstances as we know them, we have (a) a 7 year old girl that was drugged in January by MH that, following a medical examination, showed no signs of being abused;  (b) an adult male that was drugged by MH that certainly wasn't abused;  (c) an 8 year old girl that, assuming she was drugged, wound up deceased with signs of having been sexually abused, (d) a complaint that reads like a criminal enterprise and (e) an undisclosed motive.  Hmmm . . .


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 02:58:41 PM
1 hour till game time. . .


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 03:01:27 PM
::MonkeyDance::A CALL TO MONKEY ACTION - AMBER DUBOIS ::MonkeyDance::

Please help raise awareness for this missing teen who’s story has never been told as others have.  Please help give Amber the chance to come home.  I have made it so easy for you to shoot an email over to Greta and Nancy.  Also, links to post and send comments.  Please take a moment to do this for her family who are active Monkeys.
TIA


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I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This childs disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 03:11:42 PM
1 hour till game time. . .
Thanks, and also for the above post, I'm not quite grasping what you wrote, because I'm not that smart to understand all this, but I think I have an idea where this is going.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 03:40:45 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::  Monkeys and Lurkers and Guests...it is not enough to sit here and read and post all day long if you are not willing to do something as simple as sending an email or post a comment requesting that media attention be brought to these cases.  It takes only a moment of your time to help save a childs entire life. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg816870#msg816870


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 03:42:55 PM
O yes you are No Rose, Ive seen it in action.

Thanks Jess for the explanantion.

I think they have built a tremendous amount of leeway and makes me think again their are aspects of this case that are ongoing. For instance, WHERE did the alleged drugging of Plowman take place? Not in there, just the date.
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 03:44:37 PM
Did I mention my beloved Dolce is pregnant with twins and a wee high strung?

She was talking to the passive monkeys, not the monkeyadvocates, lol.
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 03:52:03 PM
O yes you are No Rose, Ive seen it in action.

Thanks Jess for the explanantion.

I think they have built a tremendous amount of leeway and makes me think again their are aspects of this case that are ongoing. For instance, WHERE did the alleged drugging of Plowman take place? Not in there, just the date.
B

AGREED. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 03:54:31 PM
Did I mention my beloved Dolce is pregnant with twins and a wee high strung?

She was talking to the passive monkeys, not the monkeyadvocates, lol.
B
:smt006 :smt081 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 03:54:41 PM
1 hour till game time. . .
Thanks, and also for the above post, I'm not quite grasping what you wrote, because I'm not that smart to understand all this, but I think I have an idea where this is going.

Yes you are, Rose.  You are plenty smart.  If I were to boil it down to a few words, I would say "All a part of the same big thing."


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 04:11:36 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6826737

(snipped):

Any case involving Miss Huckaby was reviewed. There were several cases that were reviewed recently and the district attorney believes they have sufficient cause to add additional charges this afternoon at her arraignment," said Sgt. Tony Sheneman, Tracy police.
ABC7 has learned that the adult who Huckaby allegedly poisoned is Daniel Plowman, a former boyfriend of Huckaby's. On March 3rd, Plowman went to a Tracy towing yard to retrieve his vehicle. Employees thought he looked unfit to drive and called police, who arrested Plowman for being under the influence of some kind of tranquilizer.
Later, Plowman would tell police that Huckaby is the one who must have slipped him some kind of muscle relaxer. A few weeks earlier, The 7-year-old girl had returned from an afternoon in Huckaby's care in an altered state. Hospital tests found her under the influence of a tranquilizer. Back at the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, reaction to the new developments included the possibility of conspiracy.
"It's just amazing what she was doing here and nobody knew about it. It's hard to believe that nobody knew something," said Walter Reed, mobile home park resident.
One man, who only wanted to be identified as Matt, says he's seen enough evidence to return his verdict.
"So why haven't they killed her already? There is something wrong with our judicial system," said Matt.
ABC7 NEWS legal analyst Dean Johnson said this new information is very important because it shows a common plan by Huckaby, and if proven, it could come into play in the death penalty phase of her trial..


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 04:19:17 PM
O yes you are No Rose, Ive seen it in action.

Thanks Jess for the explanantion.

I think they have built a tremendous amount of leeway and makes me think again their are aspects of this case that are ongoing. For instance, WHERE did the alleged drugging of Plowman take place? Not in there, just the date.
B
Thanks, I just have trouble with all the legal aspects, not quite understanding all. But I'm here to the end for some of the very special little victims, that stole a piece of my heart.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 04:20:54 PM
1 hour till game time. . .
Thanks, and also for the above post, I'm not quite grasping what you wrote, because I'm not that smart to understand all this, but I think I have an idea where this is going.

Yes you are, Rose.  You are plenty smart.  If I were to boil it down to a few words, I would say "All a part of the same big thing."

Thanks, that's what I need, spelled out simply, I now understand. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 04:22:56 PM
Thanks cece for that article. I hate to even imagine how many other people Melissa did this to  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 22, 2009, 04:25:56 PM
Thanks cece for that article. I hate to even imagine how many other people Melissa did this to  ::MonkeyNoNo::

You're welcome no rose  ::MonkeyAngel::
I agree.  Sometimes, what we don't know can be worse than what we do know.

I guess Daniel Plowman claims to be a former boyfriend.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
1 hour till game time. . .
Thanks, and also for the above post, I'm not quite grasping what you wrote, because I'm not that smart to understand all this, but I think I have an idea where this is going.

Yes you are, Rose.  You are plenty smart.  If I were to boil it down to a few words, I would say "All a part of the same big thing."

Thanks, that's what I need, spelled out simply, I now understand. ::MonkeyAngel::


My post said another way:  "ABC7 NEWS legal analyst Dean Johnson said this new information is very important because it shows a common plan by Huckaby, and if proven, it could come into play in the death penalty phase of her trial."



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 04:45:35 PM
NO PLEA ENTERED-MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR 6/12

In light of the events of the day, no surprises here:

Huckaby Faces New Charges; No Plea Entered
Posted By: Sharon Ito Posted By: C. Johnson     

STOCKTON, CA (AP) -- The Tracy woman charged with the killing of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu appeared in San Joaquin County Superior Court Friday for further arraignment.

Prosecutors filed additional charges against Melissa Huckaby alleging that she tried to poison two people. She was previously charged with the kidnapping, rape and murder of Cantu.

According to court records filed Thursday, prosecutors say Huckaby gave what they termed "a harmful substance" to a 7-year-old girl in January and an adult man in March. The type of substance was not revealed in the complaint.

The girl has since recovered. The man has not been located.

During Friday's 6-minute hearing, Huckably appeared composed and even smiled a few times at Judge Linda Loftus and public defender Sam Behar who is representing her. No cameras were allowed in the courtroom or Stockton courthouse.

Behar said his client would not be entering a plea to the charges at this time because he needed more time to review more than 1,000 pages of discovery documents and evidence in the case.

Loftus set June 12 for further arraignment.

Both Cantu's and Huckaby's families were at the hearing.


http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=59762&catid=2



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 04:51:39 PM
I want to know who from Huckaby's family was there-

Not surprised, the surprise will be when the actually stop piling on charges to this case, sadly.

B

To No Rose- yes, you are and that is the most important role anyone can play, to be there for them until the end of the case my friend.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 05:06:28 PM
I want to know who from Huckaby's family was there-

Not surprised, the surprise will be when the actually stop piling on charges to this case, sadly.

B

To No Rose- yes, you are and that is the most important role anyone can play, to be there for them until the end of the case my friend.
Thanks, how many times can a defendent go into the courtroom and not make a plea?  ::MonkeyConfused:: Maybe the June 12th arraignment she will finally enter a plea.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 05:19:37 PM
Ok so I am a little on the sleepy side today. I do not follow, she drugged a girl in January, sexual abuse. She drugged her boyfriend, no abuse, she raped and killed sandra?

Not following, please  :smt100


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 05:21:15 PM
Ok so I am a little on the sleepy side today. I do not follow, she drugged a girl in January, sexual abuse. She drugged her boyfriend, no abuse, she raped and killed sandra?

Not following, please  :smt100

Meant did not sexually abuse the january girl


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 10:14:36 PM
Ok so I am a little on the sleepy side today. I do not follow, she drugged a girl in January, sexual abuse. She drugged her boyfriend, no abuse, she raped and killed sandra?

Not following, please  :smt100

There was no sexual abuse in the January case.  No sexual abuse in the second drugging case.  Sexual abuse did not occur until Sandra was murdered.  In my mind, this raises motive questions.  Perhaps this was not intended to be a sexual crime, but the assault was an attempted cover up to a murder.  Just think--it almost worked, at least initially, had it not been for that very diligent reporter.  EVERYONE was searching for a male sex offender.  Perhaps Huckaby is truly a sociopath. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 10:15:43 PM
I want to know who from Huckaby's family was there-

Not surprised, the surprise will be when the actually stop piling on charges to this case, sadly.

B

To No Rose- yes, you are and that is the most important role anyone can play, to be there for them until the end of the case my friend.
Thanks, how many times can a defendent go into the courtroom and not make a plea?  ::MonkeyConfused:: Maybe the June 12th arraignment she will finally enter a plea.

Sadly, rose, this can go on for quite some time.  As long as the prosecution keeps adding charges, this will be delayed.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 11:14:26 PM
I just read the minute order on the court's website from today's hearing.  Apparently there were motions filed for the return of evidence seized pursuant to search warrants issued.  The court apparently granted one described as "return of evidence seized as to Collette Plummber and the 1996 Cadillac."  Wasn't that Sinclair's caddy?  Does anyone remember? There are apparently other pending requests, but they will not be heard until the June 12th hearing.

For those interested, the order is posted below.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 22, 2009, 11:44:07 PM
I just read the minute order on the court's website from today's hearing.  Apparently there were motions filed for the return of evidence seized pursuant to search warrants issued.  The court apparently granted one described as "return of evidence seized as to Collette Plummber and the 1996 Cadillac."  Wasn't that Sinclair's caddy?  Does anyone remember? There are apparently other pending requests, but they will not be heard until the June 12th hearing.

For those interested, the order is posted below.



I'm just trying to piece this all together to make some sense of it, so bear with me please.  It looks like the "Collette Plummber" evidence might be a home computer and caddy.  Plummer lives at Space 88 in the Mobile Home Park apparently with a Sidney Plummer.  Based on their ages (66 and 63), they are probably H and W.  It is also reportedly where Christian Sinclair lived or lives.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 23, 2009, 12:26:10 AM
Ok so I am a little on the sleepy side today. I do not follow, she drugged a girl in January, sexual abuse. She drugged her boyfriend, no abuse, she raped and killed sandra?

Not following, please  :smt100

There was no sexual abuse in the January case.  No sexual abuse in the second drugging case.  Sexual abuse did not occur until Sandra was murdered.  In my mind, this raises motive questions.  Perhaps this was not intended to be a sexual crime, but the assault was an attempted cover up to a murder.  Just think--it almost worked, at least initially, had it not been for that very diligent reporter.  EVERYONE was searching for a male sex offender.  Perhaps Huckaby is truly a sociopath. 

Jess just another angle to consider we really don't know if there was molestation to the little girl in January, we know she wasn't penetrated to cause any harm, doesn't mean she didn't touch or take pics. Also, the boyfriend may not want to "go there" because of embarrassment. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 23, 2009, 01:05:14 AM
I just read the minute order on the court's website from today's hearing.  Apparently there were motions filed for the return of evidence seized pursuant to search warrants issued.  The court apparently granted one described as "return of evidence seized as to Collette Plummber and the 1996 Cadillac."  Wasn't that Sinclair's caddy?  Does anyone remember? There are apparently other pending requests, but they will not be heard until the June 12th hearing.

For those interested, the order is posted below.


Yes, it was Jess
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 23, 2009, 09:58:33 AM
Thanks for answering my question Jess  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 23, 2009, 11:42:57 AM
SVL posted some interesting info on and Blink replied:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/22/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-in-court-daniel-plowman-and-jane-doe-new-victims-3-more-charges-added-by-da/#comments

Post 28:  Comment by svl — May 23, 2009 @ 6:46 am
Good morning Blink and Company,

In reference to comment/post#11:

“Police on March 3 arrested a man on suspicion of driving under the influence hours after murder suspect Melissa Huckaby, 28, allegedly poisoned him.

Daniel Plowman, 36, of Hayward, pulled into the drive-through at McDonald’s, 3430 N. Tracy Blvd., to order some food, but passed out at the wheel, according to police logs.

According to an employee who called the police station at 1:30 a.m. March 3, Plowman fell asleep in the drive-through lane, awoke, paid, got his food and crashed into a wall. His car ended up under the golden arches, according to the dispatcher’s log.

Police showed up, arrested him and got a local towing company to impound Plowman’s gold Ford Tempo.

The fast food restaurant is a few minutes by car from Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Huckaby lived with her grandparents before her April 10 arrest on charges that she kidnapped, raped and killed 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu.

Records show that Plowman was never charged with a crime in San Joaquin County.”

(reported by Tracy Press)

"OMG, I wonder what his car was impounded for in the first place though, and where in proximity.
B"



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 23, 2009, 12:01:40 PM
Ok so I am a little on the sleepy side today. I do not follow, she drugged a girl in January, sexual abuse. She drugged her boyfriend, no abuse, she raped and killed sandra?

Not following, please  :smt100

There was no sexual abuse in the January case.  No sexual abuse in the second drugging case.  Sexual abuse did not occur until Sandra was murdered.  In my mind, this raises motive questions.  Perhaps this was not intended to be a sexual crime, but the assault was an attempted cover up to a murder.  Just think--it almost worked, at least initially, had it not been for that very diligent reporter.  EVERYONE was searching for a male sex offender.  Perhaps Huckaby is truly a sociopath. 

Jess just another angle to consider we really don't know if there was molestation to the little girl in January, we know she wasn't penetrated to cause any harm, doesn't mean she didn't touch or take pics. Also, the boyfriend may not want to "go there" because of embarrassment. 

Very true, Tracygirl.  There are just soo soo many unanswered questions, at least in the public eye.  I'm sure LE has a sound theory supported by the thousands of pages of evidence and recordings they turned over to the defense.  Fortunately or unfortunately, we won't get to hear about it any time soon.  But there hasn't been a day that has gone by since I began following this case (and that was very early on) that I haven't prayed as hard as I could for a set of facts that minimize or eliminate any exploitation or abuse of this little girl. My "alternative," wholly speculative theory is just a product of that, I suppose.





Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 23, 2009, 12:04:47 PM
SVL posted some interesting info on and Blink replied:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/22/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-in-court-daniel-plowman-and-jane-doe-new-victims-3-more-charges-added-by-da/#comments

Post 28:  Comment by svl — May 23, 2009 @ 6:46 am
Good morning Blink and Company,

In reference to comment/post#11:

“Police on March 3 arrested a man on suspicion of driving under the influence hours after murder suspect Melissa Huckaby, 28, allegedly poisoned him.

Daniel Plowman, 36, of Hayward, pulled into the drive-through at McDonald’s, 3430 N. Tracy Blvd., to order some food, but passed out at the wheel, according to police logs.

According to an employee who called the police station at 1:30 a.m. March 3, Plowman fell asleep in the drive-through lane, awoke, paid, got his food and crashed into a wall. His car ended up under the golden arches, according to the dispatcher’s log.

Police showed up, arrested him and got a local towing company to impound Plowman’s gold Ford Tempo.

The fast food restaurant is a few minutes by car from Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Huckaby lived with her grandparents before her April 10 arrest on charges that she kidnapped, raped and killed 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu.

Records show that Plowman was never charged with a crime in San Joaquin County.”

(reported by Tracy Press)

"OMG, I wonder what his car was impounded for in the first place though, and where in proximity.
B" [/b]


Standard procedure when the driver of a vehicle is DUI and there's no one "sober" to drive it home.  They impound the vehicle.  Happens at DUI check points all the time.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 23, 2009, 12:35:31 PM
The reason for drugging Plowman:  Maybe MH did it to show him she could do it for Plowman's demise - kind of a control thing - maybe to frighten him ?  Maybe one upsmanship?  Just speculation. 

How many hours do these kind of drugs stay in one's system - because the article states:  "hours after....".  Maybe Plowman offered other information he had on ML - other than his being drugged. 

ML is up again on June 12 - isn't Timothy coming up at the 2nd ?   


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 23, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
Mornin' Monkeys ::MonkeyWink::
Something I find quite ...
hmmmm searching for the right word......
*strange* about MH is her pathology, so to speak.
It's perplexing to me that she would manifest SO many different symptoms psychologically: arson, kidnap, rape, and murder (that we know of)...
So, I am researching the psychological aspects of this case a little.  I thought this bit would be of interest to you Monkeys!
 LM

Snipped:
Bolded by me
http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/psychological-profile (http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/psychological-profile)

Forensic psychology has revealed three main types of offenders.
The organized offender plans the crime, sometimes in great detail, bringing tools and taking them away again. This type of offender will take care not to leave evidence behind and will also hide or dispose of the body.
The organized offender is usually of average to high intelligence with a stable lifestyle. They normally tend to be married and employed.

The disorganized offender often leaves a mess. They don't plan or bring tools; instead they use whatever is to hand to carry out their attack. This type of offender lives alone or with a relative, may be unemployed, of lower intelligence, and have a history of mental illness. Their attacks are often accompanied by considerable violence.

The third category is the mixed offender, who shows mixed characteristics of the first two types {MH??}. While their approach may be carefully planned, the assault itself may be frenzied, showing a person losing control over deep-seated urges and fantasies....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 23, 2009, 05:01:02 PM
SVL posted some interesting info on and Blink replied:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/22/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-in-court-daniel-plowman-and-jane-doe-new-victims-3-more-charges-added-by-da/#comments

Post 28:  Comment by svl — May 23, 2009 @ 6:46 am
Good morning Blink and Company,

In reference to comment/post#11:

“Police on March 3 arrested a man on suspicion of driving under the influence hours after murder suspect Melissa Huckaby, 28, allegedly poisoned him.

Daniel Plowman, 36, of Hayward, pulled into the drive-through at McDonald’s, 3430 N. Tracy Blvd., to order some food, but passed out at the wheel, according to police logs.

According to an employee who called the police station at 1:30 a.m. March 3, Plowman fell asleep in the drive-through lane, awoke, paid, got his food and crashed into a wall. His car ended up under the golden arches, according to the dispatcher’s log.

Police showed up, arrested him and got a local towing company to impound Plowman’s gold Ford Tempo.

The fast food restaurant is a few minutes by car from Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Huckaby lived with her grandparents before her April 10 arrest on charges that she kidnapped, raped and killed 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu.

Records show that Plowman was never charged with a crime in San Joaquin County.”

(reported by Tracy Press)

"OMG, I wonder what his car was impounded for in the first place though, and where in proximity.
B" [/b]


Standard procedure when the driver of a vehicle is DUI and there's no one "sober" to drive it home.  They impound the vehicle.  Happens at DUI check points all the time.


Yes, I know, but it was reported that Plowman had picked up his car from the tow yard P R I O R to this. In other words, Tow yard employees called cops when he left and reported him, saying he looked impaired.

Fast forward to the Mc Crash. So what was his car impounded for prior to this incident?
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 23, 2009, 05:02:01 PM
The reason for drugging Plowman:  Maybe MH did it to show him she could do it for Plowman's demise - kind of a control thing - maybe to frighten him ?  Maybe one upsmanship?  Just speculation. 

How many hours do these kind of drugs stay in one's system - because the article states:  "hours after....".  Maybe Plowman offered other information he had on ML - other than his being drugged. 

ML is up again on June 12 - isn't Timothy coming up at the 2nd ?   

6/9 for Timothy Sac


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Dolce on May 23, 2009, 05:16:23 PM
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 23, 2009, 05:25:15 PM
SVL posted some interesting info on and Blink replied:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/22/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-in-court-daniel-plowman-and-jane-doe-new-victims-3-more-charges-added-by-da/#comments

Post 28:  Comment by svl — May 23, 2009 @ 6:46 am
Good morning Blink and Company,

In reference to comment/post#11:

“Police on March 3 arrested a man on suspicion of driving under the influence hours after murder suspect Melissa Huckaby, 28, allegedly poisoned him.

Daniel Plowman, 36, of Hayward, pulled into the drive-through at McDonald’s, 3430 N. Tracy Blvd., to order some food, but passed out at the wheel, according to police logs.

According to an employee who called the police station at 1:30 a.m. March 3, Plowman fell asleep in the drive-through lane, awoke, paid, got his food and crashed into a wall. His car ended up under the golden arches, according to the dispatcher’s log.

Police showed up, arrested him and got a local towing company to impound Plowman’s gold Ford Tempo.

The fast food restaurant is a few minutes by car from Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Huckaby lived with her grandparents before her April 10 arrest on charges that she kidnapped, raped and killed 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu.

Records show that Plowman was never charged with a crime in San Joaquin County.”

(reported by Tracy Press)

"OMG, I wonder what his car was impounded for in the first place though, and where in proximity.
B" [/b]


Standard procedure when the driver of a vehicle is DUI and there's no one "sober" to drive it home.  They impound the vehicle.  Happens at DUI check points all the time.


Yes, I know, but it was reported that Plowman had picked up his car from the tow yard P R I O R to this. In other words, Tow yard employees called cops when he left and reported him, saying he looked impaired.

Fast forward to the Mc Crash. So what was his car impounded for prior to this incident?
B

You're right!  I missed that.  Read to fast.  Sorry.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 23, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
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Memorial playhouse comes to life
by Glenn Moore/TP staffMay 23, 2009
 
A couple from Southern California builds and donates a playhouse to Jacobson School in the memory of former student Sandra Cantu, the Tracy 8-year-old who was killed in April.


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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 23, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
Thanks, what a lovely idea, very cute little cottage ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 24, 2009, 01:46:16 AM
Isn't that cottage so cute! I saw that today in the paper, just adorable. i am sure Sandra would have loved it!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2009, 07:57:13 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090524/A_NEWS/905240313

Huckaby's friend finds it 'Difficult to imagine'
High school companion struggles to understand how the girl she once knew could become a woman accused of a horrific crime


By Daniel Thigpen
May 24, 2009
Record Staff Writer
She was a teenager with a wide grin, posing for her high school yearbook, just 10 years before she became the weary Melissa Huckaby seen throughout the world staring sullenly into a jailhouse camera.

In the decade that transpired between those starkly different images, her life had slowly unraveled. The pieces of the Tracy woman's past that have emerged since her April arrest in connection with the rape and murder of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu illustrate a young woman's disastrous downward spiral.

Yet those details - the ones known publicly, at least - likely only scratch the surface of the 28-year-old single mother, who spent her years after graduating from high school bouncing between homes and toxic relationships, battling depression and building a small criminal record.

Huckaby's high school companion Emily Fontes still cannot comprehend how her long-lost friend ended up accused of such inexplicable crimes.

"It's really difficult to imagine she could be capable of something like this," Fontes said. "The second I saw her booking picture, I just lost it. I was hysterical."

Fontes and then Melissa Lawless were inseparable during their last two years at Brea Olinda High School in Orange County, Fontes said. They performed on the dance squad together, wrote notebooks full of messages to each other and fought over a boy.

"We were just normal teens. We didn't get into trouble," Fontes said.

Still, her friend struggled with dark emotions that Fontes, at the time, chalked up to typical teenage tribulations. Huckaby argued frequently with her mother. She felt depressed and entertained thoughts of suicide.

They graduated in 1999, and Fontes moved away for college. When she returned one hot summer, she noticed her friend was wearing long sleeves. She had been cutting herself, Fontes said. Huckaby declined to talk about it.

In 2001, Fontes was engaged and asked Huckaby to be her maid of honor. But Huckaby stopped returning her calls and, as Fontes put it, "fell off the face of the earth."

"I just couldn't find her," Fontes said. "I didn't know if she was OK."

They would not reconnect until about four years later, when Huckaby reached out through a social networking Web site.

It had been a trying period.

In 2002, she was living in Tracy with her grandparents, Lane and Connie Lawless, in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park when she took out a restraining order against an ex-boyfriend.

In court papers filed in San Joaquin County Superior Court, she said the 21-year-old man, who had an extensive criminal record and a restraining order from a previous marriage, had stalked and threatened to kill her.

The same year, she was sued by the local hospital for amassing more than $10,000 in unpaid medical bills.

In 2003, she filed for federal bankruptcy protection. She was pregnant, on leave from her grocery store job and receiving $600 a month in disability payments.


She listed $5,200 in assets and $26,000 in debt.

Eight days later, she married her child's father, Johnny Huckaby. They moved to Orange County and separated a little more than a year later, divorcing in 2005.

In an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America" last month, Johnny Huckaby said his ex-wife struggled with depression but that he never thought her capable of hurting a child.

In divorce papers filed in Orange County Superior Court, Melissa Huckaby accused her estranged husband of domestic violence, alcohol abuse and child abduction, accusations he denies.

She won custody of their daughter, Madison, and stayed in Southern California, at one point moving back in with her parents, Brian and Judy Lawless, according to court papers.

That was about the time she contacted Fontes. Her old high school friend was thrilled. Huckaby had returned to school, received a vocational degree and was working.


"I was just so relieved that she was OK," Fontes said. "I was happy for her, even though it sounded like she had had some difficulties."

If there was any break from the chaos, it was short-lived.

In 2006, Huckaby was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County and served a short jail sentence. The next year, she was investigated in connection with two small arson fires in a home she rented in La Palma but was not arrested, police said.

Huckaby and her daughter moved back in with her grandparents in Tracy by summer 2008, according to court documents
.

Connie Lawless, who said she is convinced her granddaughter is innocent, said Huckaby returned to help her grandparents.

"Our health hasn't been so good," she said. "We've always enjoyed our granddaughter and her little girl. ... I think she's a great mom."

Some mobile home park neighbors would say they knew little about Huckaby and rarely saw Madison, who became one of Sandra's playmates. Huckaby started teaching Sunday school at her grandparent's small Baptist church down the road.

Huckaby was arrested again in late 2008, this time charged with stealing from a Target store. A judge ordered two doctors to evaluate Huckaby, and they agreed she was competent to stand trial but that there was evidence of mental illness, although court records do not indicate a diagnosis.

Prosecutors agreed to drop the petty theft count from her record if she completed a yearlong mental health program, court papers say.

Huckaby was still enrolled when, in January, a woman in the trailer park accused Huckaby of taking her 7-year-old daughter and drugging her.


Tracy police said they investigated and had no evidence to make an arrest at the time, but Huckaby has since been charged in that incident as well.

On March 6, her last appearance in mental health court, Huckaby's counselor said she was making progress.

Three weeks later, Sandra disappeared from the mobile home park. Her body was found April 6 stuffed in a suitcase and dumped in a nearby dairy lagoon.

In the meantime, Huckaby had missed her scheduled court hearing three days earlier.

Police arrested Huckaby on April 10 on charges she murdered Sandra. Police called her in for questioning that day after she granted an interview to a local newspaper and, police said, provided statements inconsistent with those made previously to investigators.

At the San Joaquin County Jail, Huckaby was put on suicide watch. In recent court papers, her ex-husband said she had swallowed razor blades.

Police have released few details about Sandra's alleged murder, and anyone involved with the case is now prohibited from speaking about it because of a judge's gag order.

As she tries to make sense of the allegations, Fontes, Huckaby's high school confidant, recalls their e-mail exchanges four years ago, now a bittersweet memory.

"She sounded great," Fontes said. "She sounded like she really had everything together."

Fontes has written Huckaby a letter and sent it to the jail. She has not heard back.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Red on May 25, 2009, 08:57:12 AM
Memorial Day 2009 … Remember & Honor Our Brave who Have Served and Sacrificed for Your Freedoms

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/25/memorial-day-2009-remember-honor-our-brave-who-have-served-and-sacrificed-for-your-freedoms/

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On this Memorial Day please remember to give thanks and honor those who have laid down their lives in the ultimate sacrifice to protect our liberty and freedom.

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To often in the United States we look for heroes in the wrong places or we use the term hero when it should never be. These individuals who have died to protect our way of life are and always will be true, American Heroes.

May everyone have a safe and happy Memorial Day ... Please remember to say a prayer and thank those who have laid down their lives for us.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 25, 2009, 09:40:19 AM
Hi Monkeys ! 

If you want to read a great story about how we can help others in trouble - especially children who maybe being sexually abused go to Blink on Crime:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/22/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-in-court-daniel-plowman-and-jane-doe-new-victims-3-more-charges-added-by-da/#comment-1484720

and read: 

Post 39: Comment by LC — May 24, 2009 @ 11:02 am

Also post 41:  "Vandals knocked down the front sign of the Clover Road Baptist Church on Saturday in what church members are viewing as a hate crime…"




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 25, 2009, 10:43:00 AM
Good morning Monkeys.  I hope you are enjoying your Memorial Day with family, friends & loved ones.

Sorry if this was already posted:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-25/a-huckaby-porn-biz-connection/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

Former sex crimes prosecutor Wendy Murphy says the new drugs charges against Melissa Huckaby could be related to the pornography business—and that the accused child killer is exactly the type of weak woman child pornographers seek to exploit.


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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 25, 2009, 02:25:28 PM
Good morning Monkeys.  I hope you are enjoying your Memorial Day with family, friends & loved ones.

Sorry if this was already posted:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-25/a-huckaby-porn-biz-connection/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

Former sex crimes prosecutor Wendy Murphy says the new drugs charges against Melissa Huckaby could be related to the pornography business—and that the accused child killer is exactly the type of weak woman child pornographers seek to exploit.


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This is an "interesting" article from the embattled Wendy Murphy.  Of course everyone expects that at some point this crime may be ultimately linked to child porn.  But her article is written like most others she writes--from a means justifies the ends approach.  She thinks that lends credibility to it.  Her performance in the Duke Lacrosse case will forever taint her credibility, and she's just trying to win some of that back.  She is known for engaging in demonstrably untrue statements and wide-ranging speculation to fit her claims.  And that's true here too.  For example, she claims that in the January incident, "cops did nothing to examine her for evidence of abuse until months later."  Well, somewhat true.  The cops didn't, but the CYS and the hospital did. While I admit such an examination may not show evidence of some molestation and exploitation, her statement is really only a 1/2 truth.  So, the value of it to her conclusion is 50/50.

She also claims that benzos are widely used in the child porn business to sedate victims.  She draws this conclusion from adult pornography and rape, and links it to crimes against children.  The truth is, I couldn't find any studies that show benzos are widely used in the child porn business.  That's not to say it's not true.  But if she's going to make that statement, she should back it up with something other than drawing an inference from adult pornography.

Murphy does admit that drugging an adult male throws a monkey wrench into the deal.  However, she then rationalizes that away by drawing up a factually baseless, hypothetical scenario.  That's just plain ridiculous.

Next, she claims that MH's defense attorney delayed entering a plea so he could examine evidence, including evidence from a computer taken from the Huckaby residence.  I'm not sure that's correct either.  From what I've seen from reading the reports of Friday's hearing and the court's order, the defense asked to review records from a computer taken from Sinclair's residence, not Huckaby's.

Her justification for linking the computer to the likelihood that MH was engaged in producing child porn is laughable.  I'll quote it:  "Few types of criminal cases involve evidence seized from computer files because most crimes have nothing to do with computers. On the other hand, almost all child porn cases involve evidence seized from computer files, as well as reams of other evidence—the nature of the crime is such that networks of people tend to be involved, which means lots of witnesses are interviewed and many search warrants are executed."  How funny.  The truth is, MOST crimes now involve the use of computers.  For example, MH may have been researching the effect of benzos on children.  Indeed, she may have bought the drugs online.  She may have been looking for dosing information.  She may have been looking for information on how to increase its efficacy.  Think Casey Anthony.  Think myspace. Think Facebook.  Think email.  Think journals and notes.  Think how many cases we've read about in the past that involved computer evidence.  Truth be told, computer's are an integral part of any investigation, and they often reveal the most telling evidence in any crime, not just those involving pornography.

Finally, her analysis of MH as a weak pathetic individual is somewhat believable.  But based on MH"s past conduct (the fires, the prior druggings, the thefts), and her conduct following Sandra's disappearance, I have a hard time believing she's vulnerable and manipulable and the "perfect target."  MH is well in control of her faculties.  If it turns out that MH was involved in the child porn business, she was, in my opinion, a willing participant in a family business, not a targeted mule.

This is, of course, just my opinion and, I hope, an objective one.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 25, 2009, 02:57:32 PM
I suppose I should have also mentioned that this appeared in The Dailey Beast--not necessarily the gold standard in news reporting. Here's how they describe themselves:

What is The Daily Beast?

It's a speedy, smart edit of the web from the merciless point of view of what interests the editors. The Daily Beast is the omnivorous friend who hears about the best stuff and forwards it to you with a twist. It allows you to lead the conversation, rather than simply follow it.

Does the world really need another news aggregator?

The Daily Beast doesn't aggregate. It sifts, sorts, and curates. We're as much about what's not there as what is. And we freshen the stream with a good helping of our own original content from a wonderfully diverse group of contributors … satirist Christopher Buckley, historian Sean Wilentz, former McCain adviser Mark McKinnon, Project Runway’s Laura Bennett, the former editor of Al-Hayat Salameh Nematt, Facebook’s Randi Zuckerberg, Nick Ciarelli who founded Think Secret, and many others.

What's with the name?

Among other things, it's the name of the newspaper in Scoop, Evelyn Waugh's hilarious satire of Fleet Street, which happens to be my favorite novel of all time. For those who prefer Henry James, let's just say the beast knows its way through the jungle.


I'd also add that Wendy Murphy prepared a similar "blog" tying Casey Anthony to the child porn business.  Her evidence?  They took her computer and Casey might have used chloroform to sedate little Casey.  She then says CHOLORFORM is often used in the child porn industry to sedate victims.  Where does that come from?  She also draws a parallel to MH, although without all the mental hype.  (Sorry, I lost the link, but if go to the dailybeast site and search "Wendy Murphy," you'll find it.)

Sorry if I am coming across a little harsh here.  But this case breaks my heart into a million pieces. and every time I read articles that are written with the absolute worst imaginable scenario in mind, and that are based on nothing more than rampant speculation, it really upsets me.





Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 25, 2009, 07:11:20 PM
Good morning Monkeys.  I hope you are enjoying your Memorial Day with family, friends & loved ones.

Sorry if this was already posted:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-25/a-huckaby-porn-biz-connection/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

Former sex crimes prosecutor Wendy Murphy says the new drugs charges against Melissa Huckaby could be related to the pornography business—and that the accused child killer is exactly the type of weak woman child pornographers seek to exploit.


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This is an "interesting" article from the embattled Wendy Murphy.  Of course everyone expects that at some point this crime may be ultimately linked to child porn.  But her article is written like most others she writes--from a means justifies the ends approach.  She thinks that lends credibility to it.  Her performance in the Duke Lacrosse case will forever taint her credibility, and she's just trying to win some of that back.  She is known for engaging in demonstrably untrue statements and wide-ranging speculation to fit her claims.  And that's true here too.  For example, she claims that in the January incident, "cops did nothing to examine her for evidence of abuse until months later."  Well, somewhat true.  The cops didn't, but the CYS and the hospital did. While I admit such an examination may not show evidence of some molestation and exploitation, her statement is really only a 1/2 truth.  So, the value of it to her conclusion is 50/50.

She also claims that benzos are widely used in the child porn business to sedate victims.  She draws this conclusion from adult pornography and rape, and links it to crimes against children.  The truth is, I couldn't find any studies that show benzos are widely used in the child porn business.  That's not to say it's not true.  But if she's going to make that statement, she should back it up with something other than drawing an inference from adult pornography.

Murphy does admit that drugging an adult male throws a monkey wrench into the deal.  However, she then rationalizes that away by drawing up a factually baseless, hypothetical scenario.  That's just plain ridiculous.

Next, she claims that MH's defense attorney delayed entering a plea so he could examine evidence, including evidence from a computer taken from the Huckaby residence.  I'm not sure that's correct either.  From what I've seen from reading the reports of Friday's hearing and the court's order, the defense asked to review records from a computer taken from Sinclair's residence, not Huckaby's.

Her justification for linking the computer to the likelihood that MH was engaged in producing child porn is laughable.  I'll quote it:  "Few types of criminal cases involve evidence seized from computer files because most crimes have nothing to do with computers. On the other hand, almost all child porn cases involve evidence seized from computer files, as well as reams of other evidence—the nature of the crime is such that networks of people tend to be involved, which means lots of witnesses are interviewed and many search warrants are executed."  How funny.  The truth is, MOST crimes now involve the use of computers.  For example, MH may have been researching the effect of benzos on children.  Indeed, she may have bought the drugs online.  She may have been looking for dosing information.  She may have been looking for information on how to increase its efficacy.  Think Casey Anthony.  Think myspace. Think Facebook.  Think email.  Think journals and notes.  Think how many cases we've read about in the past that involved computer evidence.  Truth be told, computer's are an integral part of any investigation, and they often reveal the most telling evidence in any crime, not just those involving pornography.

Finally, her analysis of MH as a weak pathetic individual is somewhat believable.  But based on MH"s past conduct (the fires, the prior druggings, the thefts), and her conduct following Sandra's disappearance, I have a hard time believing she's vulnerable and manipulable and the "perfect target."  MH is well in control of her faculties.  If it turns out that MH was involved in the child porn business, she was, in my opinion, a willing participant in a family business, not a targeted mule.

This is, of course, just my opinion and, I hope, an objective one.   ::MonkeyRoll::

  All Right Girl Friend !!!!  I know people like Wendy Murphy.  50% which was not achieved on their own - use the 50% - to make a name for themselves. I was disappointed to see her suddenly pop up in this case and try to get recognition !


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sister on May 25, 2009, 08:32:45 PM
Good morning Monkeys.  I hope you are enjoying your Memorial Day with family, friends & loved ones.

Sorry if this was already posted:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-25/a-huckaby-porn-biz-connection/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

Former sex crimes prosecutor Wendy Murphy says the new drugs charges against Melissa Huckaby could be related to the pornography business—and that the accused child killer is exactly the type of weak woman child pornographers seek to exploit.

Wendy Murphy need to find yet another job.  Her reasoning/logic is just not there.  To say Melissa Huckaby is a weak woman is not based on one shred of truth.  Mental issues does not a weak woman make, duh!


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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 25, 2009, 11:11:30 PM
Seriously-

Lets see if this gets on, my comment below to Ms. Murphy's article.

Ms.Murphy-

As a former prosecutor I must say I am saddened at such an ill-researched piece. You know full well that drivel would not have so much as secured a warrant to search a shared computer in a public library flashing child porn ads.

Few things:
This child WAS examined at the hospital on 1/17/09, not just following Huckaby's arrest.

I could find NO study linking Benzos to child porn or date rape.

I have never seen a single report referring to any victims as "poisoned". Apparently neither have you as there is not a single source link in this article for anything.

That said, you bluffed your way through what should have been an important piece had you taken the time to research it. Here's a thought. Pretend you are BUILDING A CASE for same against Huckaby.

I'll be gracious and give you a place to start:

The Tracy PD has been quoted as saying they FOUND child porn in SEVERAL homes in Orchard Estates. However, there have been no arrests to date. Whadda ya make of that?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 26, 2009, 09:31:41 AM
I just picked this up from Blink on Crime, Post 60.  Some information is getting out ! 

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=50519@kpix.dayport.com


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 26, 2009, 09:51:56 AM
I just picked this up from Blink on Crime, Post 60.  Some information is getting out ! 

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=50519@kpix.dayport.com

This is very interesting, Sacsayhuan.  The evidence supports the opinion of the former Sacramento FBI profiler that is saying the January incident and the adult drugging were "practice" runs, and that Sandra's murder was premeditated--that MH was "obsessed" with Sandra and has been planning her murder for quite some time.  Wow.  I'll see if I can find the link to the article.  She's a sociopath.  If I had the opportunity, I'd pull the levers myself.

As an aside, maybe the good Wendy Murphy can learn something from this . . .   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 26, 2009, 09:53:13 AM
I just picked this up from Blink on Crime, Post 60.  Some information is getting out ! 

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=50519@kpix.dayport.com

This is very interesting, Sacsayhuan.  The evidence supports the opinion of the former Sacramento FBI profiler that is saying the January incident and the adult drugging were "practice" runs, and that Sandra's murder was premeditated--that MH was "obsessed" with Sandra and has been planning her murder for quite some time.  Wow.  I'll see if I can find the link to the article.  She's a sociopath.  If I had the opportunity, I'd pull the levers myself.

As an aside, maybe the good Wendy Murphy can learn something from this . . .   ::MonkeyRoll::

Here it is:

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1556/reftab/36/t/Former-FBI-Profiler-Believes-Alleged-Poisonings-were-Practice-for-Melissa-Huckaby/Default.aspx


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 26, 2009, 09:53:24 AM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090526/A_NEWS/905260306/-1/A_NEWS

By The Record
May 26, 2009 6:00 AM
TRACY - Memories of Sandra Cantu - and the community's search for the slain girl - were at the heart of Tracy's participation Monday in National Missing Children's Day.

It was the city's first time to connect with the event started by President Ronald Reagan in 1983.

The four-hour event was held at Dr. Powers Park on Lowell Avenue.

The focus was on children, with games and entertainment that included clowns Sparkles and Ravioli, a stilt walker and musical acts.

Organizers also had a strong emphasis on safety and awareness. Demonstrations included digital fingerprinting and Tracy Police Department K-9 units. Free identification kits were offered.

Awareness Day also had its share of ceremony. The national anthem was performed and the Girl Scouts of Central California provided a color guard team.

Among the guest speakers were members of the City Council, police department, fire department and Marc Klaas of the KlaasKids Foundation.

Organizers said the goal of the awareness event was to "bring fun and healing to the community."






Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on May 26, 2009, 09:56:52 AM
I just picked this up from Blink on Crime, Post 60.  Some information is getting out ! 

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=50519@kpix.dayport.com

This is very interesting, Sacsayhuan.  The evidence supports the opinion of the former Sacramento FBI profiler that is saying the January incident and the adult drugging were "practice" runs, and that Sandra's murder was premeditated--that MH was "obsessed" with Sandra and has been planning her murder for quite some time.  Wow.  I'll see if I can find the link to the article.  She's a sociopath.  If I had the opportunity, I'd pull the levers myself.

As an aside, maybe the good Wendy Murphy can learn something from this . . .   ::MonkeyRoll::

Here it is:

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1556/reftab/36/t/Former-FBI-Profiler-Believes-Alleged-Poisonings-were-Practice-for-Melissa-Huckaby/Default.aspx

Thank you JessStar.  And I forgot to say Good Morning to everyone.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 26, 2009, 10:07:20 AM
Yeah, me too--GOOD MORNING EVERYONE! 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 26, 2009, 10:41:49 AM
Seriously-

Lets see if this gets on, my comment below to Ms. Murphy's article.

Ms.Murphy-

As a former prosecutor I must say I am saddened at such an ill-researched piece. You know full well that drivel would not have so much as secured a warrant to search a shared computer in a public library flashing child porn ads.

Few things:
This child WAS examined at the hospital on 1/17/09, not just following Huckaby's arrest.

I could find NO study linking Benzos to child porn or date rape.

I have never seen a single report referring to any victims as "poisoned". Apparently neither have you as there is not a single source link in this article for anything.

That said, you bluffed your way through what should have been an important piece had you taken the time to research it. Here's a thought. Pretend you are BUILDING A CASE for same against Huckaby.

I'll be gracious and give you a place to start:

The Tracy PD has been quoted as saying they FOUND child porn in SEVERAL homes in Orchard Estates. However, there have been no arrests to date. Whadda ya make of that?


I am quoting myself to bump this comment, I just checked, it DID NOT make the site.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-25/a-huckaby-porn-biz-connection/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

She must not read hear or her facts would have been correct.

Let me say publicly that if I ever put out a piece of factless crap whereby a have a professional responsibility to do so, I will not only approve such a comment, but be embarrased by it. I expected better from a former prosecutor, and I am going to tell Robin Sax not to talk to her anymore.

(teehee on that part)





Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 26, 2009, 10:57:11 AM
May 26, 2009 7:34 am US/Pacific
Tracy Church Where Huckaby Taught Is Vandalized
TRACY
A Tracy church where Sandra Cantu's suspected killer taught Sunday school was vandalized over the weekend.

Vandals damaged the sign atthe Clover Road Baptist church where Melissa Huckaby was a Sunday school teacher.

Sandra disappeared March 27. She was last seen on a surveillance camera skipping outside the mobile home park in Tracy where she lived just five doors down from Melissa Huckaby.  Cantu's body was found ten days after her disapperance stuffed in a suitcase.  Huckaby was later arrested.

Police have told CBS News they believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer served as a Sunday school teacher.

Huckaby's grandfather, Lane Lawless, is the pastor there and is calling for people to back off.

"The church is not the guilty party. We don't know who is. And like everyone else and like the family of the little girlm our heart goes out to them.  I know they are hurting and they want to know who's responsible," said Pastor Lawless.

The church has also been getting threatening phone calls. No arrests have been made in connection to the vandalism.
http://cbs13.com/crime/tracy.church.vandalized.2.1019218.html


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 26, 2009, 11:18:34 AM
May 26, 2009 7:34 am US/Pacific
Tracy Church Where Huckaby Taught Is Vandalized
TRACY
A Tracy church where Sandra Cantu's suspected killer taught Sunday school was vandalized over the weekend.

Vandals damaged the sign atthe Clover Road Baptist church where Melissa Huckaby was a Sunday school teacher.

Sandra disappeared March 27. She was last seen on a surveillance camera skipping outside the mobile home park in Tracy where she lived just five doors down from Melissa Huckaby.  Cantu's body was found ten days after her disapperance stuffed in a suitcase.  Huckaby was later arrested.

Police have told CBS News they believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer served as a Sunday school teacher.

Huckaby's grandfather, Lane Lawless, is the pastor there and is calling for people to back off.

"The church is not the guilty party. We don't know who is. And like everyone else and like the family of the little girlm our heart goes out to them.  I know they are hurting and they want to know who's responsible," said Pastor Lawless.

The church has also been getting threatening phone calls. No arrests have been made in connection to the vandalism.
http://cbs13.com/crime/tracy.church.vandalized.2.1019218.html

He is truly a demented individual. Hey Pastor Lawless, a little girl was killed in your church under its cloak of God, likely by your grand daughter, its Sunday School teacher.  And you consider the church a victim?  If you had half a heart, if you had any conscience whatsoever, if you had but 1 degree of compassion, you would voluntarily close it and find somewhere else to preach its "message."  Allowing it to remain open and having "services" there shows your deep callousness and the callousness of your entire "congregation" that chooses to attend services there.  Show some respect and compassion, you creep, and do the right thing for once. 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 26, 2009, 11:32:55 AM
Well after Jess's post I have nothing to add, well said.

Well maybe since an 8 year old child was murdered in your *cough* church, do you think you might refer to her by name, which is Sandra Cantu, and not, "the little girl."

Btw Creepypreacher, I havent seen the caretaker, Fred Williams around recently, what gives?
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 26, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
I just picked this up from Blink on Crime, Post 60.  Some information is getting out ! 

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=50519@kpix.dayport.com
I am familiar with the case that is being discussed on the video  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 26, 2009, 12:46:23 PM
Well after Jess's post I have nothing to add, well said.

Well maybe since an 8 year old child was murdered in your *cough* church, do you think you might refer to her by name, which is Sandra Cantu, and not, "the little girl."

Btw Creepypreacher, I havent seen the caretaker, Fred Williams around recently, what gives?
B
I believe the church should be closed, and grandma and grandpa need to shut up, but I don't like vandalism of any kind and that bothers me. For me that just doesn't accomplish anything.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 26, 2009, 12:52:20 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/

SANDRA CANTU CASE: MELISSA HUCKABY BOMBSHELL HUCKABY HAS TODDLER SON


 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 26, 2009, 01:08:01 PM
WTFFFF!!!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on May 26, 2009, 01:10:45 PM
WTFFFF!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

Yeah WOW!  This breaks and I have a dentist appointment ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 26, 2009, 01:13:41 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/

SANDRA CANTU CASE: MELISSA HUCKABY BOMBSHELL HUCKABY HAS TODDLER SON


 ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/omg.gif)
For once I am SPEECHLESS!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 26, 2009, 01:34:09 PM
Good Mornin' Klaas & Blink ::MonkeyRoll::
I was wondering...
Do you think it might be a good idea to start a thread/vine focusing in on the Oregon/Calif Lawless Family connection?

Grants Pass
That weird compound
Donald Lawless...
All come to mind.
  LM


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 26, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
Good Mornin' Klaas & Blink ::MonkeyRoll::
I was wondering...
Do you think it might be a good idea to start a thread/vine focusing in on the Oregon/Calif Lawless Family connection?

Grants Pass
That weird compound
Donald Lawless...
All come to mind.
  LM

Ya know, I do- What a Good Idea, that way we can keep the logistics seperate, the connection thread has so much data on it. I feel like a dum dum, but then again, I dont think we had a clue how convoluded this would get.
Thanks Lone
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 26, 2009, 02:01:24 PM
Good Mornin' Klaas & Blink ::MonkeyRoll::
I was wondering...
Do you think it might be a good idea to start a thread/vine focusing in on the Oregon/Calif Lawless Family connection?

Grants Pass
That weird compound
Donald Lawless...
All come to mind.
  LM

Ya know, I do- What a Good Idea, that way we can keep the logistics seperate, the connection thread has so much data on it. I feel like a dum dum, but then again, I dont think we had a clue how convoluded this would get.
Thanks Lone
B
Thanks Blink! ::MonkeyWink::
Well if you plug in Lawless in Grants Pass...
You get them ALL!!!!
We need to zero in on who is connected and who is not.

Could Donald L. Lawless of 501 Lawless Lane really be RONALD Lawless????


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 26, 2009, 03:15:08 PM
Thanks Blink  ::MonkeyEek:: How in the world do you keep a child a secret, and what is the purpose of keeping a child secret  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 26, 2009, 03:21:11 PM
Thanks Blink  ::MonkeyEek:: How in the world do you keep a child a secret, and what is the purpose of keeping a child secret  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hear ya NoroseC!
Man it gets the imagination going!
Doesn't it?
So does MH's fascination with that incestuous case!!!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 26, 2009, 03:26:22 PM
Thanks Blink  ::MonkeyEek:: How in the world do you keep a child a secret, and what is the purpose of keeping a child secret  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hear ya NoroseC!
Man it gets the imagination going!
Doesn't it?
So does MH's fascination with that incestuous case!!!

Yes, but someone must have seen her pregnant and knows she had another child, some friend somewhere  ::MonkeyConfused:: And the fascination of that case  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 26, 2009, 03:44:36 PM
I think there's gotta be to more to this.....
Perhaps she was in Oregon during her pregnancy? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 26, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/

SANDRA CANTU CASE: MELISSA HUCKABY BOMBSHELL HUCKABY HAS TODDLER SON


 ::MonkeyEek::
  Another situation - she must be producing babies like they are going out of style.  How was this found out ?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 26, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/

SANDRA CANTU CASE: MELISSA HUCKABY BOMBSHELL HUCKABY HAS TODDLER SON


 ::MonkeyEek::
  Another situation - she must be producing babies like they are going out of style.  How was this found out ?

I was approached by a source out of a concern for the whereabouts of the child. I verified the source and the connections to the Family and church. Remember, this area is 6 hours away from Tracy and she had a few different "pads" over this period. It was definately a situation of "hush hush".
B


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Stacey on May 26, 2009, 05:35:34 PM
Hello Monkeys

When did MH move in with the grandparents?
Blink do you think this is why she moved in with them and do you think she left the baby with her mom and the grandparents don't know about the baby?
I hope you get confirmation that this little baby is alive and well

Monkey hugs


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on May 26, 2009, 07:04:52 PM
I don't think a story writer could make up a better crime story. Sheesh this case has more twists and turns....Why would she hide the son? He obviously was not living with her, why not?

What I find incredibley interesting is the story of the little girl.

The story is of a woman who had a child with a man when she was young, this was rose. she traveled with the girls father to make ammends with his father. They fell for one another supposedly. So he became the child's step dad and grandfather. The little girl is said to have had devolopment al problems, emotional difficulties, was not potty trained and banged her head (sounds an awful lot like autism) They abused the child and the stepdad/grandfather said he hit her which lead to her death and they got rid of the body by stuffing her into a suitcase throwing it into the water.

Why was she so facinated with this story?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 26, 2009, 07:10:25 PM
I don't think a story writer could make up a better crime story. Sheesh this case has more twists and turns....Why would she hide the son? He obviously was not living with her, why not?

What I find incredibley interesting is the story of the little girl.

The story is of a woman who had a child with a man when she was young, this was rose. she traveled with the girls father to make ammends with his father. They fell for one another supposedly. So he became the child's step dad and grandfather. The little girl is said to have had devolopment al problems, emotional difficulties, was not potty trained and banged her head (sounds an awful lot like autism) They abused the child and the stepdad/grandfather said he hit her which lead to her death and they got rid of the body by stuffing her into a suitcase throwing it into the water.

Why was she so facinated with this story?
Good question, and now a child that was hidden, maybe something wrong with the child, somekind of birth defect or something, I don't understand, maybe the child is in some kind of institution?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 26, 2009, 09:36:54 PM
Quote
I was approached by a source out of a concern for the whereabouts of the child. I verified the source and the connections to the Family and church. Remember, this area is 6 hours away from Tracy and she had a few different "pads" over this period. It was definately a situation of "hush hush".
B

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
Why in the world would a baby be SECRET, especially at Melissa's age.  It's not like she was underage or something.  Very peculiar thing to keep hidden.  You have to wonder if this child is safe and who this child's father is.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 26, 2009, 10:50:12 PM
I thought I'd do a little research on the Rose case before I went to bed.  This makes me think that, perhaps, MH had something sinister in mind for her daughter, and perhaps Sandra was supposed to be another "test" case.  The reports indicate that MH's little girl was sickly.

The sad life and death of Rose, Israel's Madeleine McCann
Rose Ron, aged 4, a French national

Rose, the missing French girl whose fate has kept Israel on tenterhooks

The story of a missing four-year-old French girl took a grisly turn today when Israeli police revealed their suspicions that the child had been murdered by her mother and grandfather, who were in a romantic relationship.

Rose, the little girl with haunted blue eyes and ashy blonde hair has been called the Israeli Madeleine McCann. Her photographs have filled local newspapers while the details of her family's past have scandalised the Israeli public.

Police said that the girl's grandfather, Ronnie Ron, 45, admitted to delivering a blow to the girl that killed her before stuffing her body in a suitcase and throwing it into a river near his home in the coastal town of Natanya.

Ronnie Ron was living with the girl's mother, 23-year-old Marie Pisam. The two began their relationship while Pisam was still married to Ron's son, Benjamin.

Police called the case one of the most shocking in recent history.

"I have handled many investigations, but I can't recall a single other investigation that turned all of our stomachs, in which investigators came out of briefings with tears in their eyes said," Ilan Ben Shalom, the central district police commander.

The police investigation and local media reports have revealed a complicated family history.

Rose was born in France to French-born Pisam and an Israeli man identified by his first name, Benjamin. Shortly after Rose's birth, her parents decided to travel to Israel to fulfill Benjamin's wish to meet, for the first time, his biological father Ronnie Ron. Ron, however, appeared more interested in Pisam. The two reportedly fell in love, and Pisam remained in Israel with Ron, while her husband returned to France with Rose.

Over the next two years Benjamin had difficulty raising his daughter and transferred her to a string of institutions in France.

Meanwhile, Pisam and Ron decided to wed and had two sons together. In 2007 they discovered that Rose, then three years old, had been hospitalised after allegedly suffering abuse at the hands of her father.

The two fought for custody of the girl, and later that year brought her to live with them in Israel.

A friend of the family said that Ron and Pisam felt they were headed towards "reunification" and that they hoped their family would soon have a happy ending. Rose, however, displayed severe behavioral problems from her reported history of abuse. She could not communicate in French or Hebrew, and had difficulty with basic motor skills.

Confronted with the difficulties of the girl, the couple decided to give her to Ron’s mother, Vivian, who cared for her for several months before insisting that another arrangement be made.

In May of 2008, Ron and Vivian had a bitter fight, after which Ron packed Rose's belongings in a bag and took the child home with him. It was the last time that Vivian saw the little girl.

Three months later, after repeated calls to Ron and Pisam, Vivian decided to approach authorities and report the girl as missing. Earlier this month, police began a widespread investigation into the case.

Police said that they are positive that Ron and Pisam are involved in the disappearance of Rose, but are still questioning the couple. During his interrogation, Ron recanted his initial testimony several times, telling police various versions of the story in which he sold the girl to Arabs in the Palestinian Authority or to a family abroad.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4612469.ece


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 26, 2009, 11:47:40 PM
The similarities between these 2 cases cannot be ignored, in my opinion!
When I read the suitcase in the river I about swallowed my tongue! ::MonkeyEek::
And I wonder HOW MH even learned of this story in the first place??


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Deenie on May 27, 2009, 02:59:07 AM
Sorry Monkeys - I walking in through the back door. I just read " Blinks" breaking news - of MH having a Son. The Son part is not as disturbing as Judy being in Oregon since Sandra was Missing.
I chose my chase words on google - and Used: Grants Pass Oregon Religious Cults Child Abuse - I came upon this Blog.

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/?p=259

Fundamentalist is the Key here. That is what the Lawless represent within their so called Charade of a Church " Clover Road".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/31/usa2
Two followers of a fundamentalist Christian church that favours faith healing over conventional medicine are to be prosecuted for manslaughter after their daughter died of a treatable infection.
Carl and Raylene Worthington were indicted by a grand jury in Oregon's Clackamas county following the death of their 15-month-old daughter Ava this month.
The toddler died of bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection, according to the state medical examiner's office — both conditions that could have been treated with antibiotics.
The parents, who surrendered to police on Friday, are members of the Followers of Christ, a fundamentalist church in Oregon with about 1,500 members. They were released on $250,000 (£126,000) bail.
The church was at the centre of controversy in the 1990s after the deaths of several children attracted the attention of the authorities.
It led to the passage of legislation in Oregon that repealed the right to a religious beliefs defence in cases of manslaughter, homicide and child abuse.
Since the passage of the law in 1999, according to authorities in Oregon, there have been no incidents of child neglect involving the church.
The Worthingtons are the first members of the church to face criminal charges for failing to seek medical attention for a gravely ill child. If convicted they could serve six years in prison for manslaughter and up to a year for criminal mistreatment.
The couple's son died in August 2001. A police investigation into the death was closed after family members said the child had been stillborn and was three months premature.
Despite the passage of the law and the tight-knit nature of the congregation, there are some indications of high infant mortality among the group.
The church has a private cemetery south of Oregon City. There, markers indicate that more than half a dozen children have died of unspecified causes since the passage of the legislation nine years ago.

The Followers of Christ has its origins in the Pentecostal movement of the late 19th century.
---------
my opinion
 Fundamentalists are not divided/nor labeled by type of Christianity or by any religion - where they be Baptist, Pentecostal etc.. Definition of Fundamentalist is " Independent"  you all do remember Hitler. Just depends on who's side your on.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fundamentalist
fun·da·men·tal·ism  (fnd-mntl-zm)
n.
1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism


http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3121 ( snipped)
Long ago, during my days in the Church-State Studies program at Baylor University, I took a course on contemporary religious movements and “cults.”

The word “cult” is much like the word “fundamentalist.” One person’s cult is another person’s “sect” or another’s freethinking religious movement. And, you know what? That’s absolutely correct.

In that class, the veteran researcher on this topic stressed that there are sociological definitions of the word “cult” — often dealing with the role of prophetic figures who claim radical new revelations. Then there are theological definitions, in which the leaders of a religion use the word to describe those who have surrendered or radically altered major, historic doctrines in the faith.

There was a time when mainstream Christians used to pin the “c” word on Mormons, using both sociological and theological definitions. Hardly anyone does that, anymore, on the sociology side of the divide. Yet there are traditional Christian thinkers who continue to use the word “cult” to describe Mormons, due to the latter faith’s radically different doctrines about the nature of God. Click here for a column I once wrote on the struggles to understand why some people use the word “cult” in this context and others do not.

But the key is that you have to define this word, one way or another, if you are going to use it with any sense of integrity.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Deenie on May 27, 2009, 04:06:42 AM
Less than 2 yrs ago myself and fiance were thinking about moving West - and he had opportunity's within his career to choose certain cities - that he could transfer. And Washington, Oregon were two States that were available for him. I researched both areas and found through a very well known site on the web " City Data" that both States were very deep into Religion.
From City Data - I found this link on Grant's Pass - 121 comments
http://www.city-data.com/forum/oregon/139302-grants-pass-odd.html

That Masses lived in these areas that even in smaller area's were contained with LDS Religion - that it is almost more common law than LE itself. That Coffee is practically a SIN and that purchasing alcohol is only available within " certain markets" and it quite restricted. Due to Religion.  I always thought that US Citizens had equality if you want to Drink Coffee or a Cocktail - Ah you pretty much could as long as you were of legal age. Not so much in some of these areas.
I am sure you have seen the Deep Hallmark type commercials and think its a Greeting Card Company sponsor and then see at the end - its Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. That life is Bliss and filled with picnics and daisy's and Norman Rockwell Living.
Funny I have never seen a Commercial that Promotes - being Jewish, Protestant as " If your in need of a Perfect life ~ Come on Over" .. WE offer you a life of Perfect ..Just call the 800 number. " Are you kidding me". This is why I myself do not go to church. My belief's are mine. I don't have to sit and be mind washed "to believe"  that is within a controlled/commentated commissary- all opinionated words by One person. To me that does not make sense.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I understand that not all Churches are Cults and all that. That most mid America is considered the Bible Belt - I know this. It is not my gig. Never has been. I don't like it. I do not feel that Religion should ever impede on " Personal Beliefs and or Choices within a Person's Life" That your not allowed to.. Or if you ever do .. Your doomed to hell. Where it be Divorce or whatever .. I find it ridiculous. JMO. If " IF" your a institution of Christianity why would you then be a Fair Weather belief system? Your either all or nothing does not work with me. I always thought that God was a pretty cool guy .. and He can bend and can handle a lot. Most of all, I think HE only want's whats Best for Us to make this Grand Circus we live within  - A Front Row Seat..right. So He would not defy us and say if you married the wrong person and made a mistake - YOU have to live them forever and ever ..even though Your in Hell...  ::MonkeyConfused:: that's not God, Thats Religion talking.
That's my Peace.

But Some people Can't Find their WAY - Unless they are being Instructed. And some people are Born innocent as babies and Born into a family that are of strict " Beliefs" and have no choice but to be raised within this " family". YET there is always within a certain age " Choice" ..to continue or to Bail.  Yet with Melissa Huckaby and her Past -saying she wanted to commit suicide in 6th grade " Tells a Tale All too Huge" .. maybe she wanted to leave "mentally" and knew she was out numbered.

A very very FUBAR family. If she wanted to kill herself at 10,11 yrs old - What does that say about her family? Where was the " STRONG" Love and superhuman Religious Connection that they shoved down her throat since the day she was born ? That she was a perfect child because she went to church and could recite what she had been told over and over over by her Grandfather - brainwashed " Who has no legitimate Past as a Pastor" . I find a lot of Anarchy within this Family. Not just within MH but by Lane/Connies Kids.
Drugs, infidelity and lies and deceit. She MH has prob been told all Her Life as long as your submissive and keep the secrets your Golden. A cheap Facade for the Price of God's Will - Yet who had to pay the Price of this Twisted BS Family

Sandra Cantu = an innocent perfect child  ::MonkeyAngel::

Well I have to say that for all the Lawless who Hide and Filter ` YET still stand in total Arrogance - Your payment was Due many years ago.
As My Pops always says

May you be in heaven half an hour before the Devil knows you're dead
 



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cookie on May 27, 2009, 09:49:07 AM
How horrible for little Rose Ron...I had not heard of this case before...
the suitcase? Sandra in a suitcase?  <<<<shivers>>>


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on May 27, 2009, 11:43:24 AM
O/T

If you have not done so please sign the petition - Tori's law, to have the Amber Alert system changed.  If we can get things changed in Canada then the US will likely also review their Alert system.  There are currently 31, 799 signatures.  It is being taken to Parliament this afternoon.  Please take the time to sign. it.http://www.petitiononline.com/vict888/petition.html

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Warning system 'fatally flawed,' creator says
CHILD SAFETY: Red tape has rendered Amber Alert 'ineffective,' advocate says
Posted By PATRICK MALONEY, SUN MEDIA
Posted 2 hours ago
 

The Amber Alert system is "fatally flawed" and in dire need of changes, warns the American child-safety advocate who helped create the original program.

Marc Klaas is particularly critical of the rule that apparently stopped Woodstock police from invoking an Amber Alert after Victoria "Tori" Stafford's April 8 disappearance -- the need for a description of a suspect vehicle.

"In a stranger (kidnapping) or an overtly predatory scenario, the perpetrator is going to take steps to cover his tracks," Klaas said from California.

"Therefore, it's incredibly unlikely you'll be able to get that information.

"It excludes the vast majority of children who need the Amber Alert the most."

Klaas, whose daughter Polly was kidnapped from a 1993 slumber party and killed, was a renowned child-safety advocate by the time nine-year-old Amber Hagerman was abducted from an Arlington, Texas, parking lot in 1996. He later helped her family develop the first Amber Alert program, which has spread across the U. S. and Canada.

But the "red tape" created since has rendered it ineffective, Klaas said, noting many of the high-profile child abductions -- Elizabeth Smart and Adam Walsh, for examples -- wouldn't have qualified for an Amber Alert.

Klaas has become increasingly critical in recent months, largely because of the kidnapping of a California child: Two men tied up a family, ransacked their home and took a young child -- but an Amber Alert wasn't issued immediately because no one could describe the abductors' vehicle, he said.

"It's astonishing."

Vehicle descriptions are most likely in cases of family abductions, which are generally the least dangerous, Klaas said.

"It's a fatal flaw. I'm really concerned that the children that need this kind of response the most are the children least served by it."


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 27, 2009, 12:18:07 PM
Good Mornin' Monkeys! ::MonkeyWink::
As most of us have, I have been thinking a great deal about the latest turn of events!  Here's a different idea/theory I thought of.  Now, I don't believe this to be fact - but wanted to throw this up to the monkeys for a look-see....

Is MH acting completely ALONE????....
What if MH is taking the blame under threat that her child/ren will be harmed if she does not say it was her and only her?

I'm curious to know (among many things):
Where Pastor Lawless was during the time of Sandra's kidnapping/murder???
What was Connie doing?
Why would Sandra's older sister need to babysit with Connie right there?
How did MH know the story of Rose?
Why would she repeat the method of getting rid of the body?
Why did that former boyfriend threaten to hurt/kill Pastor/Grampa Lawless?
Was he jealous because he discovered some twisted sexual affair???

Here is part of the note where she writes about her grandfather
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on May 27, 2009, 01:07:57 PM
Good Mornin' Monkeys! ::MonkeyWink::
As most of us have, I have been thinking a great deal about the latest turn of events!  Here's a different idea/theory I thought of.  Now, I don't believe this to be fact - but wanted to throw this up to the monkeys for a look-see....

Is MH acting completely ALONE????....
What if MH is taking the blame under threat that her child/ren will be harmed if she does not say it was her and only her?

I'm curious to know (among many things):
Where Pastor Lawless was during the time of Sandra's kidnapping/murder???
What was Connie doing?
Why would Sandra's older sister need to babysit with Connie right there?
How did MH know the story of Rose?
Why would she repeat the method of getting rid of the body?
Why did that former boyfriend threaten to hurt/kill Pastor/Grampa Lawless?
Was he jealous because he discovered some twisted sexual affair???
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All good questions, LM.  The problem I see, though, is that the premise is based on the truthfulness of MH's statements in that note.  I don't find her to be a particularly truthful person.  And I don't particularly believe they are true.

I've been brainstorming (to some extent) Rose's story and the MH connection.  In my mind, there are a lot of potential similarities that extend way beyond the method used to hide Sandra's body.  For example, in the Rose case, the little child was disabled from withstanding years of abuse.  While I don't believe the motive for the murder was ever really established, she was the only one of I believe 3 children that were murdered.  Was she murdered because she was a "burden?"  An embarrassment?  An "attention getter?"  All interesting questions considering the unanimous reports indicating that MH's daughter was sickly and, perhaps, not as "perfect" as other children.  Nonetheless, this raises some very interesting questions about MH's motive.

The mental similarities may also be profound.  Consider MH's family.  Not necessarily a model of support.  Perhaps her grandfather and grandmother "fell all over" Sandra, but constantly talked down to her about her own child. We don't know what went on behind closed doors.  We don't know what occurred while Sandra was visiting the child.  But perhaps Sandra was intended as another "test" case, and the real focus of MH's ire and contempt was her own daughter.  That would seemingly fit the Rose case.

Of course, this is all speculation and theory.  Anything is possible, and nothing in this case surprises me.  But I will say one thing--I think MH's mental issues run deep, and I think we will learn in time that the similarities with the Rose case, and the influence it had on MH, run far deeper that what is gleaned from the surface.  I wont even rule out the possibility of a "twisted sexual affair" you allude to, and I think we're thinking on the same page with that.  Blink's bombshell yesterday about the 18 month old son raises SERIOUS questions there in my mind.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 27, 2009, 08:08:53 PM
Did MH say she acted alone or did the police decide this ? 
Good Mornin' Klaas & Blink ::MonkeyRoll::
I was wondering...
Do you think it might be a good idea to start a thread/vine focusing in on the Oregon/Calif Lawless Family connection?

Grants Pass
That weird compound
Donald Lawless...
All come to mind.
  LM

Ya know, I do- What a Good Idea, that way we can keep the logistics seperate, the connection thread has so much data on it. I feel like a dum dum, but then again, I dont think we had a clue how convoluded this would get.
Thanks Lone
B

  Please provide link.  Where you go, I will follow !  Blink - I think you gave everyone a stroke the other day with the news of the young unknown male toddler !


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on May 27, 2009, 08:19:48 PM
Did MH say she acted alone or did the police decide this ? 
Good Mornin' Klaas & Blink ::MonkeyRoll::
I was wondering...
Do you think it might be a good idea to start a thread/vine focusing in on the Oregon/Calif Lawless Family connection?

Grants Pass
That weird compound
Donald Lawless...
All come to mind.
  LM

Ya know, I do- What a Good Idea, that way we can keep the logistics seperate, the connection thread has so much data on it. I feel like a dum dum, but then again, I dont think we had a clue how convoluded this would get.
Thanks Lone
B

  Please provide link.  Where you go, I will follow !  Blink - I think you gave everyone a stroke the other day with the news of the young unknown male toddler !

O do spread the word!! Lone is doing great work here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5225.0


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 27, 2009, 11:17:15 PM
Thanks Blink!
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This precious child skipped her way right into my heart and this case....has rocked me to my core.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Izzy58 on May 28, 2009, 12:57:56 AM
Hi everyone, haven't been on here in awhile so I don't know if this was already found in the Lawless people searches.

You know how these people change their names initials around well I found a Clane Lawless connected to Clifford, Connie & family but the age of this Clane lawless is 31.  I wonder who this person might be?

  http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?

LAWLESS, CLIFFORD  LANE
Age: 67

Associated names:
LAWLESS, LANE C
LAWLESS, LANE L
LAWLESS, LANE PASTR
LAWLOR, LANE

TRACY, CA
LIVERMORE, CA
SAN JOSE, CA

    * HUGHES, JONI  IRENE (Age 41)
    * LAWLESS, CLANE (Age 31)
    * LAWLESS, LANE  PASTR
    * LAWLESS, PSTR  LANE
    * LAWLESS, CONNIE  L (Age 67)



LAWLESS, LANE  PASTR
Associated names:
LAWLESS, L C
LAWLESS, PSTR LANE

TRACY, CA   

    * LAWLESS, CLIFFORD  LANE (Age 67)
    * LAWLESS, CLANE (Age 31)
    * LAWLESS, CONNIE  L (Age 67)
    * LAWLESS, PSTR  LANE


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 28, 2009, 11:10:00 AM
Good Mornin' Monkeys! ::MonkeyWink::
As most of us have, I have been thinking a great deal about the latest turn of events!  Here's a different idea/theory I thought of.  Now, I don't believe this to be fact - but wanted to throw this up to the monkeys for a look-see....

Is MH acting completely ALONE????....
What if MH is taking the blame under threat that her child/ren will be harmed if she does not say it was her and only her?

I'm curious to know (among many things):
Where Pastor Lawless was during the time of Sandra's kidnapping/murder???
What was Connie doing?
Why would Sandra's older sister need to babysit with Connie right there?
How did MH know the story of Rose?
Why would she repeat the method of getting rid of the body?
Why did that former boyfriend threaten to hurt/kill Pastor/Grampa Lawless?
Was he jealous because he discovered some twisted sexual affair???

Here is part of the note where she writes about her grandfather
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This is a nice piece of evidence !  How did you get the note ?  I like your questions and feel the same way.  I think Melissa is a keen manipulator - more like passive aggressive.  Someone needs to talk to this boyfriend and get the scoop.  He is probably under gag order too.  I'm just looking forward to her plea - that will probably be the next bomb shell.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on May 28, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Good Mornin' Sacsayhuan! ::MonkeyWink::
Just to answer your question regarding the photo/letter...
It's a screen shot taken form ABC.
It was released prior to the Gag order and I saved as much info/photos as I could find at the time, because I knew it might not be available for long.   That's how these things seem to go...
Wish we had Florida's Sunshine Laws in Calif!
  Lm


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on May 29, 2009, 05:24:23 PM
Less than 2 yrs ago myself and fiance were thinking about moving West - and he had opportunity's within his career to choose certain cities - that he could transfer. And Washington, Oregon were two States that were available for him. I researched both areas and found through a very well known site on the web " City Data" that both States were very deep into Religion.
From City Data - I found this link on Grant's Pass - 121 comments
http://www.city-data.com/forum/oregon/139302-grants-pass-odd.html

That Masses lived in these areas that even in smaller area's were contained with LDS Religion - that it is almost more common law than LE itself. That Coffee is practically a SIN and that purchasing alcohol is only available within " certain markets" and it quite restricted. Due to Religion.  I always thought that US Citizens had equality if you want to Drink Coffee or a Cocktail - Ah you pretty much could as long as you were of legal age. Not so much in some of these areas.
I am sure you have seen the Deep Hallmark type commercials and think its a Greeting Card Company sponsor and then see at the end - its Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. That life is Bliss and filled with picnics and daisy's and Norman Rockwell Living.
Funny I have never seen a Commercial that Promotes - being Jewish, Protestant as " If your in need of a Perfect life ~ Come on Over" .. WE offer you a life of Perfect ..Just call the 800 number. " Are you kidding me". This is why I myself do not go to church. My belief's are mine. I don't have to sit and be mind washed "to believe"  that is within a controlled/commentated commissary- all opinionated words by One person. To me that does not make sense.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I understand that not all Churches are Cults and all that. That most mid America is considered the Bible Belt - I know this. It is not my gig. Never has been. I don't like it. I do not feel that Religion should ever impede on " Personal Beliefs and or Choices within a Person's Life" That your not allowed to.. Or if you ever do .. Your doomed to hell. Where it be Divorce or whatever .. I find it ridiculous. JMO. If " IF" your a institution of Christianity why would you then be a Fair Weather belief system? Your either all or nothing does not work with me. I always thought that God was a pretty cool guy .. and He can bend and can handle a lot. Most of all, I think HE only want's whats Best for Us to make this Grand Circus we live within  - A Front Row Seat..right. So He would not defy us and say if you married the wrong person and made a mistake - YOU have to live them forever and ever ..even though Your in Hell...  ::MonkeyConfused:: that's not God, Thats Religion talking.
That's my Peace.

But Some people Can't Find their WAY - Unless they are being Instructed. And some people are Born innocent as babies and Born into a family that are of strict " Beliefs" and have no choice but to be raised within this " family". YET there is always within a certain age " Choice" ..to continue or to Bail.  Yet with Melissa Huckaby and her Past -saying she wanted to commit suicide in 6th grade " Tells a Tale All too Huge" .. maybe she wanted to leave "mentally" and knew she was out numbered.

A very very FUBAR family. If she wanted to kill herself at 10,11 yrs old - What does that say about her family? Where was the " STRONG" Love and superhuman Religious Connection that they shoved down her throat since the day she was born ? That she was a perfect child because she went to church and could recite what she had been told over and over over by her Grandfather - brainwashed " Who has no legitimate Past as a Pastor" . I find a lot of Anarchy within this Family. Not just within MH but by Lane/Connies Kids.
Drugs, infidelity and lies and deceit. She MH has prob been told all Her Life as long as your submissive and keep the secrets your Golden. A cheap Facade for the Price of God's Will - Yet who had to pay the Price of this Twisted BS Family

Sandra Cantu = an innocent perfect child  ::MonkeyAngel::

Well I have to say that for all the Lawless who Hide and Filter ` YET still stand in total Arrogance - Your payment was Due many years ago.
As My Pops always says

May you be in heaven half an hour before the Devil knows you're dead
 
I have a neighbor who is a "born again" fundamentalist.  She had a 4 inch long rash on her leg when I met her.  She later stated she received the rash when at someone's farm near by - I guess she wanted him to help her.  She refused to go to the doctor - which would have been $50 and receive a simple treatment, saying God would take care of it.  Three years later, I guess she prayed enough and finally the rash disappeared.

What I am wondering is what do they think of Child Birth ?  Natural and at home ?  Maybe that is the reason few people know about the ML's alleged baby boy ? 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Dolce on May 30, 2009, 12:52:28 PM
Hi Monkey Friends!  We are finishing up the posters for Adji tonight, so if there is anything you would like me to put on it for you please do not forget to leave your messages and wishes in his thread here.  Thanks to everyone’s sweet words we are up to 3 posters, I have a few blanks left, so feel free to chime in!!  Thanks again!!  I will post pictures once this is all completed.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4380.new#new


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: mamacrazy30 on May 31, 2009, 08:37:54 PM
thank you for letting me join this site...this is my first time so go easy with me...
this case has been under my skin since the get-go.  imo mh acted alone (as far as Sandra was concerned).  but really, if you were to chose to become a criminal, or to randomly start to break the law  (ya i know she had set some houses on fire and drugged everyone she can get her hands on).....ya don't just start in the deep-end of the pool...her entire family is saturated in crime/speculation in some fashion.   there is a lot more, i'm afraid. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on May 31, 2009, 10:18:36 PM
thank you for letting me join this site...this is my first time so go easy with me...
this case has been under my skin since the get-go.  imo mh acted alone (as far as Sandra was concerned).  but really, if you were to chose to become a criminal, or to randomly start to break the law  (ya i know she had set some houses on fire and drugged everyone she can get her hands on).....ya don't just start in the deep-end of the pool...her entire family is saturated in crime/speculation in some fashion.   there is a lot more, i'm afraid. ::MonkeyEek::

Good first post mamacrazy30, and welcome to Scared Monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 02, 2009, 01:12:19 AM
Post Comment 116 by svl — June 1, 2009 @ 4:33 pm on Blink on Crime:
Thanks svl for the link !!!

Check out the video about the FL "child porn bust".  I just can't believe people are out there buying this stuff and worse the people making the porn and selling it !

http://www.theledger.com/


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 02, 2009, 12:38:27 PM
thank you for letting me join this site...this is my first time so go easy with me...
this case has been under my skin since the get-go.  imo mh acted alone (as far as Sandra was concerned).  but really, if you were to chose to become a criminal, or to randomly start to break the law  (ya i know she had set some houses on fire and drugged everyone she can get her hands on).....ya don't just start in the deep-end of the pool...her entire family is saturated in crime/speculation in some fashion.   there is a lot more, i'm afraid. ::MonkeyEek::


Just wanted to say HI,Mamacrazy!
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 02, 2009, 01:59:30 PM
Good morning monkeys,
  I am rather new, ive been lurking following this case from day one and many others, you guys do great work! I think it is scary what the world is becoming and how much is going on, so sad. Atleast to come here to this website it is a relief to "see" so many caring people.

Anyways i was just re-reading some older posts an noticed Deenie's post about Oregon and Washington. I was born and have lived in OR my whole life, i do not by any means think we are a "religious" state, or WA. We have our fair share of churches, and lots of types of religion. But the only ppl that believe it is a sin to drink coffee are the mormons over here. We have coffee shops with drive thrus on EVERY corner (well damn near)! And as to buying liquor i know that we do have certain markets, because we cannot buy liquor at grocery stores or anything you have to just go to a liquor store. i have no clue why but like in CA you can buy it at just about any store but WA and OR are diff. But we do drink alot of coffee and alcohol here.

Just thought i'd clear that up I've heard and read alot about my state and the west coast but never have i heard that!

Have a great day everyone! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 02, 2009, 02:52:26 PM
Good morning monkeys,
  I am rather new, ive been lurking following this case from day one and many others, you guys do great work! I think it is scary what the world is becoming and how much is going on, so sad. Atleast to come here to this website it is a relief to "see" so many caring people.

Anyways i was just re-reading some older posts an noticed Deenie's post about Oregon and Washington. I was born and have lived in OR my whole life, i do not by any means think we are a "religious" state, or WA. We have our fair share of churches, and lots of types of religion. But the only ppl that believe it is a sin to drink coffee are the mormons over here. We have coffee shops with drive thrus on EVERY corner (well damn near)! And as to buying liquor i know that we do have certain markets, because we cannot buy liquor at grocery stores or anything you have to just go to a liquor store. i have no clue why but like in CA you can buy it at just about any store but WA and OR are diff. But we do drink alot of coffee and alcohol here.

Just thought i'd clear that up I've heard and read alot about my state and the west coast but never have i heard that!

Have a great day everyone! ::MonkeyWink::

Hey thanks for the LOCAL input!!!!!!!!!
And by the way,
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  Lm


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Catbert on June 02, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
Have we seen this yet? It is new to me:

((edit link - there is no fact to this story))

edited/removed post, leaving link...for now. Muffy will take care of it, if necessary  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: mamacrazy30 on June 02, 2009, 04:20:09 PM
Have we seen this yet? It is new to me:

((edit link - there is no fact to this story))
blink say's its bs...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 02, 2009, 04:33:57 PM
It is and we actually had the very same article posted before...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: mamacrazy30 on June 02, 2009, 04:46:22 PM
i had read another story from a suspect site that had stated that le had gone in recently and issued warrants for two other folks at the trailer park???  bs as well???  unrelated?  just made up?  some monkey out there can tell me i hope.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Catbert on June 02, 2009, 04:51:12 PM
Thanks Mama and Lone


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 02, 2009, 04:59:46 PM
It is and we actually had the very same article posted before...

Which is why I'll request, like I did when it was first posted, that the mods please delete the post.  We don't need to clutter our site with BS.  (Not taking issue with you, Catbert-how were you to know?  If you search this forum for my name and BNO, you'll see the earlier posts).


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 02, 2009, 07:10:08 PM
i had read another story from a suspect site that had stated that le had gone in recently and issued warrants for two other folks at the trailer park???  bs as well???  unrelated?  just made up?  some monkey out there can tell me i hope.

I haven't heard anything like that from any reputable news sources, and I've been following this case very closely.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on June 02, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Tuesday, June 2, 2009 - Special Guests: Mark Williams, Wendy Murphy and Robin Sax with “Nothing but the Sax”

Join Dana tonight on The Dana Pretzer Show live at 9 pm ET on Scared Monkeys radio.

Special Guests will include:

Mark Williams - News reporter who everyone normally sees on The Nancy Grace Show will be discussing the Casey/Caylee Anthony Case.

Wendy Murphy- Former DA and author will be talking about the Melissa Huckaby case and the murder of Sandra Cantu. Also the connection in this case to Child Porn.

Robin Sax - Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney who specializes in prosecuting sex crimes against children. Read Robin’s new book, Predators and Child Molesters: What Every Parent Needs to Know to Keep Kids Safe. She will be discussing crimes in the news with her weekly segment, “Nothing But the Sax”.

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on June 02, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
Tune in to DANA PRETZER now!
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on June 02, 2009, 09:33:18 PM
Seriously-

Lets see if this gets on, my comment below to Ms. Murphy's article.

Ms.Murphy-

As a former prosecutor I must say I am saddened at such an ill-researched piece. You know full well that drivel would not have so much as secured a warrant to search a shared computer in a public library flashing child porn ads.

Few things:
This child WAS examined at the hospital on 1/17/09, not just following Huckaby's arrest.

I could find NO study linking Benzos to child porn or date rape.

I have never seen a single report referring to any victims as "poisoned". Apparently neither have you as there is not a single source link in this article for anything.

That said, you bluffed your way through what should have been an important piece had you taken the time to research it. Here's a thought. Pretend you are BUILDING A CASE for same against Huckaby.

I'll be gracious and give you a place to start:

The Tracy PD has been quoted as saying they FOUND child porn in SEVERAL homes in Orchard Estates. However, there have been no arrests to date. Whadda ya make of that?


OK, I am bumping because she is on our dear Dana's show right now, and apparently will not allow this comment on the site.
Since I am a responsible author, of many original content articles about the Sandra Cantu case, and a colleague of all you amazing and brilliant monkeyadvocates, I am yet again making this point.

I stand for Sandra, and therefore the reporting you do on her case, Ms. Murphy, is not gratuitous, know your facts!

Blink


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 04, 2009, 12:37:44 PM
Hello monkeys....
  Has anyone heard ANYTHING new at all?? This really sux a big one with a gag order.... I swear i'm gonna be 90 by the time this all gets brought to light  ::MonkeyShocked::  I just hope that with everything thats uncovered saves lots of little ones from pain and suffering, i know that will make the lil  ::MonkeyAngel:: sandra in heaven smile!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 02:07:38 PM
I have the whole transcription of that statement by melissa about joshua palmer if it isn't already on the board.  I transcribed it early on.  let me know if it is not on the board and I will post it


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 04, 2009, 02:23:12 PM
I have the whole transcription of that statement by melissa about joshua palmer if it isn't already on the board.  I transcribed it early on.  let me know if it is not on the board and I will post it

I pretty sure it's not been posted...
Please DO DoubleD...
And GOOD MORNIN" MONKEYS!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
April 17 Joshua Palmer arrived at my
work? and Sat outside of it for over 2 1/2 hours
Security cameras seem him and so we called the police
when they arrived he was sitting hiding next to
my Car. He was asked to leave and I was escorted
home. Incident Report is (available?)

April 18 Joshua Palmer called me on my cell phone
telling me he needed to talk to me. So I went outside
and he told me that he was going to make my life
as miserable as ? and that he was going to kill
me and a family friend Officer Dan Pasquale.
He has been seen by other residents and our park
manager numerous amounts of times in the middle of
the night lurking around my house and the other


I was looking for another file on this, I am not sure I found more later or not or if this is the one with the photo over it, but this is what I found in one of my files.  If I find more, I'll post it,


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 04:08:40 PM
I must have another page because I remember the part about the grandfather.  let me keep looking


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: mamacrazy30 on June 04, 2009, 07:40:18 PM
i can't remember the name of the le mh accused of assaulting her?  was it the same officer?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2009, 10:26:56 PM
OT  The body of little Nevaeh Buchanan has been found:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5211.msg830852#new


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on June 07, 2009, 02:14:22 AM
Hello everyone,
As you may gather from my screen name, I live in the town of Tracy where this beautiful little girl lived and is buried. Next week I am planning on taking a stuffed monkey and a poster board to place for her at the mozilium. If you wish to include a message please leave it here and I will write it out for you.

Thank you!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 07, 2009, 10:29:01 AM
Hello everyone,
As you may gather from my screen name, I live in the town of Tracy where this beautiful little girl lived and is buried. Next week I am planning on taking a stuffed monkey and a poster board to place for her at the mozilium. If you wish to include a message please leave it here and I will write it out for you.

Thank you!
That is very kind of you  ::MonkeyAngel::  ( My thoughts and prayers are with Sandra's family and friends. I hope that they can take some comfort knowing that Sandra is looking down on them and they can feel her love. Mary )  If you could include this I would appreciate it. Thanks


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Fanny Mae on June 07, 2009, 11:05:56 AM
Hello everyone,
As you may gather from my screen name, I live in the town of Tracy where this beautiful little girl lived and is buried. Next week I am planning on taking a stuffed monkey and a poster board to place for her at the mozilium. If you wish to include a message please leave it here and I will write it out for you.

Thank you!

Thank you Tracygirl for doing this.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope God will give the family of Sandra some peace and to be able to remember the beautiful and precious life that she had, and not to dwell too much on the manner of her death. She was truely an energy-filled little spirit and I know she is missed deeply on earth. She is now with the angels, and she will be missed by many people.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 08, 2009, 09:52:34 AM
Hello everyone,
As you may gather from my screen name, I live in the town of Tracy where this beautiful little girl lived and is buried. Next week I am planning on taking a stuffed monkey and a poster board to place for her at the mozilium. If you wish to include a message please leave it here and I will write it out for you.

Thank you!

Hi Tracygirl.  What a wonderful idea & so thoughtful for you to do this.  Please include the following:

To Sandra's Family,
May God's blessings and the memories of Sandra support you in your time of grief.
Please know that her short time here with us has touched so many hearts.
cece


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 08, 2009, 02:04:40 PM
Tracygirl: Please include my sympathy for Sandra's family.
..
The pictures and videos and tributes of Sandra touched many people. I was deeply saddend by this. All of my prayers are with you and the rest of your family. Nothing I can say will make the hurt go away. I hope that you can find a moments peace and solace in your good memories of Sandra. She was a delightful girl. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: mamacrazy30 on June 08, 2009, 07:21:17 PM
Hello everyone,
As you may gather from my screen name, I live in the town of Tracy where this beautiful little girl lived and is buried. Next week I am planning on taking a stuffed monkey and a poster board to place for her at the mozilium. If you wish to include a message please leave it here and I will write it out for you.

Thank you!
Tracygirl, thank you for this.

Mr. and Mrs. Cantu,
My family and I pray for you everyday.  I am sure your grief is beyond words.  Know that the loss of your daughter has touched many hearts and we will remember Sandra.  She will not be forgotten.

Bless You,
the Hennings-Leonard family.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Northern Rose on June 09, 2009, 10:59:29 AM
Tracygirl thank you so much for do this.  Please pass along

My prayers and thoughts are with you and your family.  Sandra is now one of Gods special angels.  I hope you can find some comfort in the happy memories you had together.  May God give you strength.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on June 09, 2009, 12:02:20 PM
Thank you to those who posted messages for the poster. I plan on taking it next week and will take a pic of the poster and monkey placed for Sandra.

  I need to ask in case it is an error but would you like me to replace Mr and Mrs Cantu with the Chavez and Cantu families? Sandra's mom had the name Chavez. If not, then I will write it out exactly as you wrote it.

You know what image I can't get out of my head? In the few days after Sandra went missing her mom went on the today show, she was so broken up she couldn't put 2 words together.  Heart breaking....I pray they can somehow find peace.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Fanny Mae on June 09, 2009, 02:50:37 PM
Thank you to those who posted messages for the poster. I plan on taking it next week and will take a pic of the poster and monkey placed for Sandra.

  I need to ask in case it is an error but would you like me to replace Mr and Mrs Cantu with the Chavez and Cantu families? Sandra's mom had the name Chavez. If not, then I will write it out exactly as you wrote it.

You know what image I can't get out of my head? In the few days after Sandra went missing her mom went on the today show, she was so broken up she couldn't put 2 words together.  Heart breaking....I pray they can somehow find peace.

Tracygirl, I can't really speak for Mamacrazy but for myself I think that would be the reasonable thing to do. I can remember what you were talking about when Sandra's mother was on the Today Show...Somehow I feel she is just as hearbroken today.

I feel that your gesture to Sandra's memory is touching.  ::MonkeyAngel::


   


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 09, 2009, 03:06:23 PM
Thank you to those who posted messages for the poster. I plan on taking it next week and will take a pic of the poster and monkey placed for Sandra.

  I need to ask in case it is an error but would you like me to replace Mr and Mrs Cantu with the Chavez and Cantu families? Sandra's mom had the name Chavez. If not, then I will write it out exactly as you wrote it.

You know what image I can't get out of my head? In the few days after Sandra went missing her mom went on the today show, she was so broken up she couldn't put 2 words together.  Heart breaking....I pray they can somehow find peace.
I pray they can find peace, but I just don't know how one could  ::MonkeyNoNo:: So very horrible, do you know if the family moved away from the mobile home park? If they can afford to do that, maybe it would help some, not much, but some.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Catbert on June 09, 2009, 07:44:40 PM






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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 10, 2009, 12:32:21 AM
hello monkeys!  I found more in regards to huckaby's other druggings;

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-23/new-charges-melissa-huckaby-drugged-people/

it's very detailed so i didn't copy all.

What we now know is that prosecutors believe Huckaby on March 2 drugged a 36-year-old man named Daniel Plowman, who lives in Hayward, a town about 40 miles west of Tracy. It was late that night when she allegedly mixed “a harmful substance with food or drink with the intent that the same be taken by a human being,” according to the amended criminal complaint file this week. Hours later, at about 1:30 a.m. the next day, Plowman was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence. He had pulled his car into the drive-through of a McDonald’s about five minutes away from Huckaby’s mobile home. He ordered some food and paid for it just before passing out on the wheel, according to an employee who called police about the incident. When he came to, still disoriented, he drove into a wall. Police showed up and towed his gold-colored Ford Tempo. They took him into custody, but later released him and never pressed charges. I couldn’t track Plowman down for comment, but I heard from neighbors that he dated Huckaby for a while.

Two months earlier, Huckaby allegedly took her 5-year-old daughter Madison’s playmate out “to the park.” They were gone for four hours, the girl’s mother, Lora Polk, 41, told me. So Polk called the police, who searched everywhere, but the search ended when Huckaby appeared back at Polk’s home and dropped the girl off.

Relieved, Polk hugged her daughter, then took her to get some dinner at a local fast-food joint. But on the way there, the girl started slumping over. She slurred her words.

“Something wasn’t right,” Polk said. “So I rushed her to the hospital.”

Polk nervously waited in the lobby at the nearby hospital for doctors to come back with the results. About five hours after Polk admitted her daughter, she says doctors told her they found benzodiazepine coursing through the little girl’s body. They called the police, who questioned Polk, who accused her of supplying the pills to her daughter but evidently ended the night without an arrest.

Huckaby had said that the cops questioned her in connection to that case. And Polk offered for detectives to search her own home. But police said they just couldn’t form a strong enough case to file charges against anyone. Polk said they called her up after Sandra Cantu’s disappearance to express their regrets that they couldn’t have resolved the mysterious drugging incident back then. Cops didn’t even test the 7-year-old girl for signs of sexual assault until after Huckaby’s arrest—months after the suspect allegedly took the child, who said Huckaby gave her water that “tasted funny,” “like medicine,” said her mother.

This week, it became clear that whatever evidence prosecutors found against Huckaby in regards to the drugging incident was enough to file an amended complaint

In court on Friday, Huckaby appeared calm. She smiled once and said “yes” when the judge asked if she understood why the arraignment was delayed until June 12. Huckaby’s public defender Sam Behar asked for more time to review fresh evidence, including some collected from a personal computer, some from a silver Cadillac, and about 1,000 pages of transcripts pertaining to the case.

Some of Sandra Cantu’s family looked on, clad in black T-shirts emblazoned with a picture of the smiling fifth-grader and white letters that spelled “Justice for Sandra.” A bailiff made them turn their shirts inside out, to avoid breaking a state law that bans signs and messages in the courtroom supporting one side or the other in a court case.

Huckaby, clad in her red jailhouse jumpsuit, shuffled out just a few minutes after she entered, stealing a glance from her family, who sat toward the front of the tiny courtroom. Huckaby’s demeanor in court Friday—her third appearance since her April 10 arrest—came once again as a stark contrast to her initial arraignment last month, when she broke down crying, wrinkling her face to unsuccessfully fight back tears when the judge read the words “murder” and “rape.”

The emotionally troubled single mother was then on suicide watch at the San Joaquin County Jail because she tried to kill herself days before her arrest. The day word got out that police got their hands on her black Eddie Bauer suitcase April 6, Huckaby swallowed three razor blades, her ex-husband later told an Orange County judge. She was rushed to the hospital, where she later told me that doctors treated her for internal bleeding. I pressed for more information the day after she was released—incidentally, just hours before her arrest—but she refused to elaborate. Today, she’s still locked up in solitary confinement.

And as new evidence and new charges further delay the case, questions about motive and method remain unanswered. The presiding judge has a history of sealing documents related to the case, in part, she said, to avoid angering the public. But at least one person is already angry. Polk, a weathered single mom who admittedly struggles with drug and alcohol problems, said police should have done more when they first heard about how her daughter got drugged. She said she wants to know what stopped them. Other people may be wondering the same thing.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 10, 2009, 12:59:06 AM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090523/A_NEWS/905230313

Lofthus granted Testa's request for property seized under a search warrant in the investigation to be returned to a woman named Colette Plummer. Testa said the elderly woman needed her silver Cadillac to get to work. Her computer also will be returned.

Behar said he did not want property seized from other, unidentified people returned.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2009, 01:53:32 AM
http://www.tracypress.com

Prosecutor asks judge to move Huckaby case along
by Jennifer WadsworthJun 09, 2009

Prosecutors of a Tracy murder case will on Friday ask a judge to move it forward because two victims are children.

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa filed the motion on Tuesday asking the presiding judge to enter a plea of not guilty and to set a preliminary hearing date for 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby if her lawyer still hasn’t by Friday.

Huckaby was arrested on April 10 for allegedly raping and killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. Prosecutors later added charges that the single mother “furnished a harmful substance” to a 36-year-old man named Daniel Plowman and a 7-year-old girl.

The two-page motion notes that Friday’s hearing will be the fourth in the case. San Joaquin County Deputy Public Defender Sam Behar has yet to enter a plea for Huckaby.

“All criminal actions in which … a minor … is the victim … shall be given precedence over all other criminal actions in the order of trial,” Testa says, quoting a statute that typically applies to cases involving elderly or very young witnesses.

Bay Area attorney Steven Clark — who has followed the Huckaby case since its first day in court and has appeared as a pundit on cable news shows about the case — said the motion shows some urgency on the part of the prosecution.

“I think there’s an element of frustration building because there hasn’t been a plea yet,” said Clark, who expects Huckaby to plead not guilty on Friday and for the judge to set a preliminary hearing date for two or three months out.

“This is an effort to get the case moving,” Clark said of Testa’s request. “It’s not atypical, especially in a murder or sexual assault case when children are involved as a material witness or as a victim.”

Tuesday’s motion gives the court power to move the case along.

Huckaby, who if convicted faces the death penalty or life behind bars, is due in court at 1:20 p.m. Friday.

To view a copy of Testa’s motion, go to www.stocktoncourt.org.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 10, 2009, 01:54:10 PM
Looks to me as if the good Mr. Testa is through playing games with Melissa Huckaby and her counsel.  It's time to hold her feet to the fire.  This is a pretty aggressive maneuver.  To me, it shows that Testa has nothing but the utmost of confidence in his case.  In essence, it says "Judge, if she doesn't enter a plea, the Court is empowered by statute to enter a "not guilty" plea on her behalf.  I want to you to do that, because I want my preliminary hearing, and I want my trial.  Let's get this show on the road."  Kudos to him.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 10, 2009, 05:43:38 PM
Why would her lawyer(s) delay in entering a plea ? I don't have your legal expertise, but don't they have to plea not guilty in capital cases ?
Is there some legal stategy in this ?
Or are they just trying to delay all of the other hearings that follow a plea ?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: mamacrazy30 on June 10, 2009, 07:29:22 PM
Thank you to those who posted messages for the poster. I plan on taking it next week and will take a pic of the poster and monkey placed for Sandra.

  I need to ask in case it is an error but would you like me to replace Mr and Mrs Cantu with the Chavez and Cantu families? Sandra's mom had the name Chavez. If not, then I will write it out exactly as you wrote it.

You know what image I can't get out of my head? In the few days after Sandra went missing her mom went on the today show, she was so broken up she couldn't put 2 words together.  Heart breaking....I pray they can somehow find peace.
Tracygirl, yes, please fix mine..TY


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2009, 08:59:07 PM
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 11, 2009, 08:38:02 AM
Why would her lawyer(s) delay in entering a plea ? I don't have your legal expertise, but don't they have to plea not guilty in capital cases ?
Is there some legal stategy in this ?
Or are they just trying to delay all of the other hearings that follow a plea ?

KG, I don't see this as a response by the DA to a delay caused by the defendant's lawyers in entering a plea.  There really hasn't been an unreasonable delay.  In fact, the last "delay" resulted from the DA's amended complaint adding additional charges.  I see this motion as a proactive move by the DA.  He's saying, "Ok, Judge.  There hasn't been any additional charges.  We've turned over everything we're required to turn over.  They've had sufficient time to consider it. It's time to enter a plea and move the case forward."  From what I understand, MH's counsel hasn't opposed it.  So I expect we'll be getting a plea on Friday.  I also expect they will plead not guilty to everything.

There's a number of charges she needs to plead to, not just the capital ones.  So pleas will need to be entered on each of them.  I'm not 100% sure in California whether capital cases require an automatic "not guilty" plea.  I'd have to look that up.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Blink34 on June 11, 2009, 08:53:45 AM
Looks to me as if the good Mr. Testa is through playing games with Melissa Huckaby and her counsel.  It's time to hold her feet to the fire.  This is a pretty aggressive maneuver.  To me, it shows that Testa has nothing but the utmost of confidence in his case.  In essence, it says "Judge, if she doesn't enter a plea, the Court is empowered by statute to enter a "not guilty" plea on her behalf.  I want to you to do that, because I want my preliminary hearing, and I want my trial.  Let's get this show on the road."  Kudos to him.

I agree Jess, if she does enter a plea by Friday which I think she will, I guess her line in the sand has been drawn. Who this woman thinks is going to come to her aid is beyond me.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 11, 2009, 01:16:07 PM
Looks to me as if the good Mr. Testa is through playing games with Melissa Huckaby and her counsel.  It's time to hold her feet to the fire.  This is a pretty aggressive maneuver.  To me, it shows that Testa has nothing but the utmost of confidence in his case.  In essence, it says "Judge, if she doesn't enter a plea, the Court is empowered by statute to enter a "not guilty" plea on her behalf.  I want to you to do that, because I want my preliminary hearing, and I want my trial.  Let's get this show on the road."  Kudos to him.

I agree Jess, if she does enter a plea by Friday which I think she will, I guess her line in the sand has been drawn. Who this woman thinks is going to come to her aid is beyond me.

I just really want to hear what MH's defense is/will be....??? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 11, 2009, 02:58:12 PM
Looks to me as if the good Mr. Testa is through playing games with Melissa Huckaby and her counsel.  It's time to hold her feet to the fire.  This is a pretty aggressive maneuver.  To me, it shows that Testa has nothing but the utmost of confidence in his case.  In essence, it says "Judge, if she doesn't enter a plea, the Court is empowered by statute to enter a "not guilty" plea on her behalf.  I want to you to do that, because I want my preliminary hearing, and I want my trial.  Let's get this show on the road."  Kudos to him.

I agree Jess, if she does enter a plea by Friday which I think she will, I guess her line in the sand has been drawn. Who this woman thinks is going to come to her aid is beyond me.

I just really want to hear what MH's defense is/will be....??? ::MonkeyNoNo::

i totally agree!!!!
alot of other situations/crimes i could think of a million excuses/defenses but this is gonna have to be a good one, and by good i mean pathetic no way ur chitting me kinda defense... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 11, 2009, 03:11:19 PM
Looks to me as if the good Mr. Testa is through playing games with Melissa Huckaby and her counsel.  It's time to hold her feet to the fire.  This is a pretty aggressive maneuver.  To me, it shows that Testa has nothing but the utmost of confidence in his case.  In essence, it says "Judge, if she doesn't enter a plea, the Court is empowered by statute to enter a "not guilty" plea on her behalf.  I want to you to do that, because I want my preliminary hearing, and I want my trial.  Let's get this show on the road."  Kudos to him.

I agree Jess, if she does enter a plea by Friday which I think she will, I guess her line in the sand has been drawn. Who this woman thinks is going to come to her aid is beyond me.

I just really want to hear what MH's defense is/will be....??? ::MonkeyNoNo::

i totally agree!!!!
alot of other situations/crimes i could think of a million excuses/defenses but this is gonna have to be a good one, and by good i mean pathetic no way ur chitting me kinda defense... ::MonkeyEek::
You're funny! ::MonkeyHaHa::
I, for one, think this is gonna be a DOOZY of a story when ALL is said and DONE!  If only we had Florida's SUNSHINE LAWS!!!!!  If only... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 11, 2009, 09:45:04 PM
Why would her lawyer(s) delay in entering a plea ? I don't have your legal expertise, but don't they have to plea not guilty in capital cases ?
Is there some legal stategy in this ?
Or are they just trying to delay all of the other hearings that follow a plea ?

Under Section 1017 of the California Penal Code, a defendant may plead guilty to a capital offense with the consent of his/her counsel.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: jaggard19 on June 12, 2009, 02:43:41 AM
ATTENTION!  ATTENTION!  ATTENTION!
Please read this article.  It is something that only 17 states currently have but ALL 50 STATES SHOULD HAVE IT!

http://wjz.com/local/DNA.police.match.2.1041592.html


I realize I posted this in the early hours, but I will bump this during the days to make sure everyone sees this.

The DNA samples are taken from anyone ARRESTED for any crime (even not paying parking tickets).

It is something we can do to move in the right direction.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 12, 2009, 10:10:25 AM
Hello Monkeys - I've been out of town and out of touch -

Isn't MH going to court today ?  Seems quiet out here.  The Lawless case seems quiet too. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 12, 2009, 10:32:05 AM
Hello Monkeys - I've been out of town and out of touch -

Isn't MH going to court today ?  Seems quiet out here.  The Lawless case seems quiet too. 

You know, its really freaking me out lately, i dnt know if its related or anything, but i went to the coast last weekend and on the way out of town we go thru/over the top of Grants Pass (which is where the Lawless Ranch is that gma held MH lil boy) anyways, there is a HUGE warehouse very close to and visible from the free way and it is a Lawless Roofing Co. it freaks me out driving passed it and makes me wonder if they are connected anyone have any insight?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 12, 2009, 01:55:05 PM
Post 133: "Comment by Slient one — June 12, 2009 @ 11:01 am
 http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/#comment-1487154

On KCRA 3 today is says:  Meanwhile, Huckaby’s grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron,

Could this be the missing son?
The article says daughter (which we all know is Madison) but here the name Cameron is mentioned! Could this be who everyone has been looking for?"



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 12, 2009, 02:09:17 PM
Who has custody of madison? i know that they were in GP with grandparents, madison and brother, but who actually has custody right now?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 02:11:14 PM
Post 133: "Comment by Slient one — June 12, 2009 @ 11:01 am
 http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/#comment-1487154

On KCRA 3 today is says:  Meanwhile, Huckaby’s grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron,

Could this be the missing son?
The article says daughter (which we all know is Madison) but here the name Cameron is mentioned! Could this be who everyone has been looking for?"

Hey Sacs! ::MonkeyWink::
 NG opening narration tonight Sacs,
SHOULD be......
B O M B S H EL L

How much you wanna make a bet she does not even mention Sandra's case at all?!
Hope I'm wrong!
I think it's just quiet today...'cuz we have been working SO hard on researching this case...
Give it a couple of hours (also I think many of us are on the West coast out here) so it's 11:10 am here.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 02:12:37 PM
Who has custody of madison? i know that they were in GP with grandparents, madison and brother, but who actually has custody right now?

Judy Lawless was granted temp. custody pending a court date set in July...
It's a nasty custody battle brewing!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 12, 2009, 02:26:29 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19730133/detail.html


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Catbert on June 12, 2009, 02:28:56 PM
Post 133: "Comment by Slient one — June 12, 2009 @ 11:01 am
 http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/#comment-1487154

On KCRA 3 today is says:  Meanwhile, Huckaby’s grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron,

Could this be the missing son?
The article says daughter (which we all know is Madison) but here the name Cameron is mentioned! Could this be who everyone has been looking for?"

Hey Sacs! ::MonkeyWink::
 NG opening narration tonight Sacs,
SHOULD be......
B O M B S H EL L

How much you wanna make a bet she does not even mention Sandra's case at all?!
Hope I'm wrong!
I think it's just quiet today...'cuz we have been working SO hard on researching this case...
Give it a couple of hours (also I think many of us are on the West coast out here) so it's 11:10 am here.

I think it is just a mistake


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 02:37:50 PM
Post 133: "Comment by Slient one — June 12, 2009 @ 11:01 am
 http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/#comment-1487154

On KCRA 3 today is says:  Meanwhile, Huckaby’s grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron,

Could this be the missing son?
The article says daughter (which we all know is Madison) but here the name Cameron is mentioned! Could this be who everyone has been looking for?"

Hey Sacs! ::MonkeyWink::
 NG opening narration tonight Sacs,
SHOULD be......
B O M B S H EL L

How much you wanna make a bet she does not even mention Sandra's case at all?!
Hope I'm wrong!
I think it's just quiet today...'cuz we have been working SO hard on researching this case...
Give it a couple of hours (also I think many of us are on the West coast out here) so it's 11:10 am here.

What is a mistake, Catbert?

I think it is just a mistake


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 12, 2009, 02:38:03 PM
Post 133: "Comment by Slient one — June 12, 2009 @ 11:01 am
 http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/#comment-1487154

On KCRA 3 today is says:  Meanwhile, Huckaby’s grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron,

Could this be the missing son?
The article says daughter (which we all know is Madison) but here the name Cameron is mentioned! Could this be who everyone has been looking for?"

Hey Sacs! ::MonkeyWink::
 NG opening narration tonight Sacs,
SHOULD be......
B O M B S H EL L

How much you wanna make a bet she does not even mention Sandra's case at all?!
Hope I'm wrong!
I think it's just quiet today...'cuz we have been working SO hard on researching this case...
Give it a couple of hours (also I think many of us are on the West coast out here) so it's 11:10 am here.
You will hear about what's going on before us - I'm in CDT.  Is this a close or open proceeding ?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 02:40:50 PM
Meanwhile, Huckaby's grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron, Huckaby's daughter. So is the girl's father, Johnny Huckaby, who has little contact with his daughter.

Yes, Catbert
This could be a mistake...
But that's a pretty darn lame mistake on the part of that journalist, if that's the case.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
Post 133: "Comment by Slient one — June 12, 2009 @ 11:01 am
 http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/05/26/sandra-cantu-case-melissa-huckaby-bombshell-huckaby-has-toddler-son/#comment-1487154

On KCRA 3 today is says:  Meanwhile, Huckaby’s grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron,

Could this be the missing son?
The article says daughter (which we all know is Madison) but here the name Cameron is mentioned! Could this be who everyone has been looking for?"

Hey Sacs! ::MonkeyWink::
 NG opening narration tonight Sacs,
SHOULD be......
B O M B S H EL L

How much you wanna make a bet she does not even mention Sandra's case at all?!
Hope I'm wrong!
I think it's just quiet today...'cuz we have been working SO hard on researching this case...
Give it a couple of hours (also I think many of us are on the West coast out here) so it's 11:10 am here.
You will hear about what's going on before us - I'm in CDT.  Is this a close or open proceeding ?

With the Gag Order in place it is closed to a certain degree.  However, media is allowed access inside.  But no cameras or tape recorders are allowed in.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 03:00:35 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys!  (East Coast time for me).  Hope everyone is having a great day.

I've been on the Caylee thread, reading the lastest document dump, (nothing of note there).  But I wanted to check to see how things are going for Sandra.  Looks like we are about an hour away from the hearing.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61043&catid=2


STOCKTON, CA (AP) -- The former Sunday school teacher charged with the sex killing of an 8-year-old Tracy girl is due in a Stockton courtroom at 1:00 pm.

San Joaquin County prosecutor Thomas Testa wants 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby to enter pleas this time.

This will be Huckaby's fourth court appearance on murder, rape and kidnapping charges in the death of Sandra Cantu, whose body was stuffed into a suitcase and dumped in a canal.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 03:06:23 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19730133/detail.html

(snipped):

Melissa Huckaby goes back to court Friday, and there's pressure from the San Joaquin County District Attorney's office to force her to enter a plea.

Prosecutor Tom Testa is asking the judge to enter a plea even if Melissa Huckaby refuses to do so, and also wants to set a preliminary hearing date -- eliminating the need for a grand jury.

Former defense attorney and current Humphreys College law professor John Schick said a grand jury could mean lengthy legal challenges. However, Schick doesn't think Melissa Huckaby is a candidate for the death penalty.

"She doesn't have prior convictions, never been involved in crimes of violence, those are the kinds of things that in my experience have been in a person's background," Schick said.

Most legal experts who talked to KCRA 3 also think that the case will be moved out of San Joaquin County because of pretrial publicity.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 03:09:51 PM
I'll check back later to see if there are any updates after t he hearing.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 12, 2009, 03:21:59 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19730133/detail.html

(snipped):

Melissa Huckaby goes back to court Friday, and there's pressure from the San Joaquin County District Attorney's office to force her to enter a plea.

Prosecutor Tom Testa is asking the judge to enter a plea even if Melissa Huckaby refuses to do so, and also wants to set a preliminary hearing date -- eliminating the need for a grand jury.

Former defense attorney and current Humphreys College law professor John Schick said a grand jury could mean lengthy legal challenges. However, Schick doesn't think Melissa Huckaby is a candidate for the death penalty.

"She doesn't have prior convictions, never been involved in crimes of violence, those are the kinds of things that in my experience have been in a person's background," Schick said.

Most legal experts who talked to KCRA 3 also think that the case will be moved out of San Joaquin County because of pretrial publicity.

Where do they think they can go to get away from the publicity ?  Oregon ?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Catbert on June 12, 2009, 03:22:59 PM
Meanwhile, Huckaby's grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron, Huckaby's daughter. So is the girl's father, Johnny Huckaby, who has little contact with his daughter.

Yes, Catbert
This could be a mistake...
But that's a pretty darn lame mistake on the part of that journalist, if that's the case.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

You are correct Lone it is a HORRIBLE mistake ...


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 12, 2009, 03:33:28 PM
http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/media_notice.htm

I thought the case was beginning at 8:30 Pacific time - I read it somewhere - oh well - 1:00.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 03:33:42 PM
http://www.kcra.com/news/19730133/detail.html

(snipped):

Melissa Huckaby goes back to court Friday, and there's pressure from the San Joaquin County District Attorney's office to force her to enter a plea.

Prosecutor Tom Testa is asking the judge to enter a plea even if Melissa Huckaby refuses to do so, and also wants to set a preliminary hearing date -- eliminating the need for a grand jury.

Former defense attorney and current Humphreys College law professor John Schick said a grand jury could mean lengthy legal challenges. However, Schick doesn't think Melissa Huckaby is a candidate for the death penalty.

"She doesn't have prior convictions, never been involved in crimes of violence, those are the kinds of things that in my experience have been in a person's background," Schick said.

Most legal experts who talked to KCRA 3 also think that the case will be moved out of San Joaquin County because of pretrial publicity.

Where do they think they can go to get away from the publicity ?  Oregon ?

I agree Sacsayhuan.  With the gag order in place, it is very quiet.  I don't think there has been very much "pretrial publicity" compared to other cases.  (But that's JMO)   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/media_notice.htm

I thought the case was beginning at 8:30 Pacific time - I read it somewhere - oh well - 1:00.

Thank you for that link.  It also has the prosecutor's motion.

http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/news/DA_Request_to_Set_Date_for_Preliminary_Hearing_060909.pdf


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 03:38:52 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/12/huckaby.hearing/index.html

Prosecutor demands plea in child's killingStory Highlights
•Melissa Huckaby has not answered charges in three court hearings

•District attorney asks judge to enter plea Friday if defendant doesn't

•Sunday-school teacher accused of rape, kidnap, murder of girl, 8

•Northern California girl's body found April 6 in suitcase in canal
updated 9:46 a.m. EDT, Fri June 12, 2009


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 03:46:21 PM
Meanwhile, Huckaby's grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron, Huckaby's daughter. So is the girl's father, Johnny Huckaby, who has little contact with his daughter.

Yes, Catbert
This could be a mistake...
But that's a pretty darn lame mistake on the part of that journalist, if that's the case.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

You are correct Lone it is a HORRIBLE mistake ...

A mistake?  Probably.
BUT...
Notice the wording........
It is common knowledge that Judy Lawless and Johnny Huckaby are embroiled in a bitter custody battle.  So why as a journalist, would you ask, is this "Cameron's" father??? We already KNOW he is Madison's father!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 04:01:07 PM
Meanwhile, Huckaby's grandparents, pastor Lane Lawless and wife Connie, are seeking custody of Cameron, Huckaby's daughter. So is the girl's father, Johnny Huckaby, who has little contact with his daughter.

Yes, Catbert
This could be a mistake...
But that's a pretty darn lame mistake on the part of that journalist, if that's the case.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

You are correct Lone it is a HORRIBLE mistake ...

A mistake?  Probably.
BUT...
Notice the wording........
It is common knowledge that Judy Lawless and Johnny Huckaby are embroiled in a bitter custody battle.  So why as a journalist, would you ask, is this "Cameron's" father??? We already KNOW he is Madison's father!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused::


OK
I re-read it! And now I think I've lost my marbles!
Unless the journalist is *scooping us*...
This journalist needs to learn the right names!!!!
Too CONFUSING in a case where SO Little info


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 04:02:18 PM
If anyone would like to light a candle for Sandra today, here is a great site:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Cantu

I'll catch you all later.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 12, 2009, 04:13:04 PM
If anyone would like to light a candle for Sandra today, here is a great site:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Cantu

I'll catch you all later.   ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks cece  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: aussie on June 12, 2009, 04:32:46 PM
Any news yet on today's hearing?


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 12, 2009, 04:36:07 PM
Any news yet on today's hearing?
That's what I've been wondering, I've looked around on other forums, but I see nothing.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 04:46:58 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61043&catid=2


STOCKTON, CA -- The former Sunday school teacher charged with the murder of an 8-year-old Tracy girl pleaded not guilty to the charges against her.

Melissa Huckaby also denied the enchancements in this case.

This was Huckaby's fourth court appearance on murder, rape and kidnapping charges in the death of Sandra Cantu, whose body was stuffed into a suitcase and dumped in a canal.

A preliminary court date has been set for September 24, 2009.

News10's Tim Daly will have much more on this story tonight on News10 at 6.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 04:48:13 PM
If anyone would like to light a candle for Sandra today, here is a great site:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Cantu

I'll catch you all later.   ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks cece  ::MonkeyAngel::

You're welcome no rose   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: aussie on June 12, 2009, 04:48:14 PM
CBS reports she entered a plea of not guilty.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: aussie on June 12, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
Opps...........sorry, cece.........I should have read before I posted the CBS news. Thanks.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090612/A_NEWS/90612013

STOCKTON -- The Sunday school teacher accused of kidnapping, raping and killing an eight-year-old Northern California girl has pleaded not guilty to murder charges.

During a 10-minute hearing Friday, the lawyer for 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby entered the plea on her behalf.

Authorities say Huckaby killed Sandra Cantu, who was a playmate of Huckaby's daughter. The girl's body was later found stuffed in a suitcase in a nearby irrigation pond.

Friday's plea comes after increased pressure by prosecutors to have Huckaby enter a plea. Her lawyer, Sam Behar, has repeatedly requested more time to review evidence in the case.

If convicted, Huckaby could face the death penalty.

The judge scheduled her preliminary hearing to start Sept. 24.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 04:51:54 PM
Opps...........sorry, cece.........I should have read before I posted the CBS news. Thanks.

Never a problem aussie.  The more posts, the better.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 12, 2009, 04:52:28 PM
Thanks for the info  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
(same info):

http://www.kcra.com/news/19738747/detail.html


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 12, 2009, 05:00:55 PM
Prayers for Sandra and her family.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/SANDRA%20CANTU/sandracantu-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 05:10:56 PM
If anyone would like to light a candle for Sandra today, here is a great site:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Cantu

I'll catch you all later.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks SO much for postingCece!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
J U S T I C E
GODSPEED

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg193/vjones60/Angels/138.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/004-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 05:20:54 PM
One more... ::MonkeyAngel::
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/scthebirthmarkonherrightcheek.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Helen Back on June 12, 2009, 05:30:05 PM
Hi monkeys,

Don't know if anyone caught Oprah's powerful show today regarding pedophiles and the lack of funding to pursue and track these guys.  Please go to Oprah's website where all the links are active, and everything you need is there.

Snipped from Oprah's website today:

http://www.oprah.com/article/oprahshow/20090220-tows-adam-walsh-act


Help Get Funding for the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act
Adam Walsh

The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act was passed on July 25, 2006—20 years after Adam Walsh's abduction. The act established a National Sex Offender Registry law, but recent news reports reveal most states will not be in compliance with the law by the upcoming July 2009 deadline.




Act Now!

It's time to bail out our kids. Make your voice heard by imploring your senators and state representatives to comply with Adam's law and give it full funding.


Don't know what to write? Use our sample letter.

To contact your senator: Go to Senate.gov to find contact information for the senators in your state. Search for your senator by name or state by clicking the arrow from either drop-down menu. Contact information will be provided. To send an e-mail, click on Web Form below his or her name. E-mail your letter to make a difference.

To contact your state representative: Go to House.gov and click on Write Your Representative in the upper left-hand corner. Select your state from the drop-down menu, and enter your ZIP code, including the four-digit ZIP code extension. Contact information will be provided. To send an e-mail, click on Send a Message. On the state representative's page, click on E-mail the Congressman/Congresswoman, and e-mail your letter to make a difference. (continued at the above link)

As you can see, Oprah and John Walsh have made it pretty easy for us to let our legislators know that we want these laws funded.

I know we all express our frustration about these sickos running free and hurting our children.  I think it's time to let our legislators know that we put our kids and their protection first. ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks, Monkeys. ::MonkeyAngel::

Helen Back


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2009, 05:47:44 PM
Connie and Lane Lawless want custody of the little girl? WHAT???? We have to get moving monkeys, this man cannot have access to this little one, no, no way, no how! We know he is up to know good, we know his family has been up to no good, now we have to have the ammunition to prove this. Our dead line is approaching I suppose in July, YIKES!!!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
Connie and Lane Lawless want custody of the little girl? WHAT???? We have to get moving monkeys, this man cannot have access to this little one, no, no way, no how! We know he is up to know good, we know his family has been up to no good, now we have to have the ammunition to prove this. Our dead line is approaching I suppose in July, YIKES!!!

It is a possible scenario that MH is taking the rap for what someone else helped her with or did...
I think there was most likely at least one or two others with MH when she committed this atrocious act.  And it's possible that her child/ren are being held as "ransom" ...so that she sticks to the story.  There may be threats we do not know about making her family far more terrifying than LE... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 12, 2009, 07:23:53 PM
Connie and Lane Lawless want custody of the little girl? WHAT???? We have to get moving monkeys, this man cannot have access to this little one, no, no way, no how! We know he is up to know good, we know his family has been up to no good, now we have to have the ammunition to prove this. Our dead line is approaching I suppose in July, YIKES!!!

It is a possible scenario that MH is taking the rap for what someone else helped her with or did...
I think there was most likely at least one or two others with MH when she committed this atrocious act.  And it's possible that her child/ren are being held as "ransom" ...so that she sticks to the story.  There may be threats we do not know about making her family far more terrifying than LE... ::MonkeyEek::
  LoneMonkey - I would say - let MH talk.  I'm going to evaluate the negatives and possitives in the "No Guilty" plea.  I would imagine, if she is proven wrong - adios.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 01:21:26 AM
This is a bit off topic but I tell you Monkeys  this young teen lived through hell. If you don't mind  my sharing this here. Kyle deserves to have his story told. He was a kidnapped victim and some how lived through horrible and unimaginable abuse at the hands of 4 cowards.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2716740-Tortured+teen+testimony+released&article-Tortured%20teen%20testimony%20released%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&#cb_post_comment_2716740

Tortured teen testimony released
by Jennifer Wadsworth/ TP staffJun 12, 2009 | 123 views | 1  | 1  |  |  A 16-year-old allegedly tortured for a year inside a Tracy home told a grand jury that he escaped because his captors talked about killing him and dumping his body in the Delta.

Afraid for his life, the boy — called Kyle in court papers — fled the Tennis Lane home on Dec. 1 by unlocking himself from the fireplace to which he was chained and using a trampoline to hop over the backyard wall. He then limped across an adjacent parking lot and into the lobby of a sports club, where employees called police for help.

After he heard his alleged captors talking on speakerphone about how they planned to cut off his fingers with a meat cleaver, Kyle said he knew then that he had to find a way out.

“I had to hurry up and leave or it was just going to be the end from there,” he said in a newly unsealed 928-page transcript of a grand jury hearing that led to a slew of indictments against the four adults accused of imprisoning Kyle.

Husband and wife Michael Schumacher and Kelly Lau were arrested in December along with next-door neighbor Anthony Waiters and a woman named Carén Ramirez who called herself Kyle’s mom. Police said they starved, drugged and beat the boy for as many as 18 months after he fled a Sacramento group home in spring 2007.

The four could spend life in prison if found guilty of the several charges of torture, kidnapping, false imprisonment, assault with caustic chemicals and other forms of abuse. All except Schumacher pleaded not guilty to all charges. He has yet to enter a plea. The four are due in court again on June 18.

Kyle told the grand jury that the abuse escalated from slapping and punching to slicing flesh and drawing blood for offenses as minor as forgetting to feed the dog or for taking food to slake his hunger.

Waiters once sliced Kyle’s arm with a steak knife, Kyle said. Ramirez held his arm down and Kyle screamed, the boy alleged. Kyle said that afterwards, the pair poured bleach on his cuts and doctored them with salt and butter before wrapping his arm in a paper towel.

Other times, Ramirez, Lau and Waiters would stick an aluminum baseball bat into the fireplace and brand Kyle’s back, the teen said.

“Carén and Kelly came up with the idea of, like, heating the bat up, and then I guess they started branding me with the bat,” Kyle said.

The boy said Schumacher would sometimes punch him in the face until he passed out. Kyle also said he was chained to the fireplace, where he was forced to sleep most nights.

Lau used a belt once to choke him until he lost consciousness, Kyle said. She allegedly strapped a belt around his neck and buckled it. He dropped to the fireplace hearth and his arm fell on the grate while the fire blazed, he said.

“When I first woke up, I didn’t know what happened or anything,” he said. “So then I immediately noticed my arm was, like, discolored and everything, and I was, like, really freaking out, and at first I didn’t feel anything.”

To treat the burn, Kyle said Ramirez would just pour bleach on it. His wounds scabbed over and became infected.

The boy said he never saw a physician and had been kept out of school since the eighth grade.

He said he hasn’t seen his mother, Susan Barnett, since he was about 8 years old, when Ramirez somehow obtained custody of him and his brother. Barnett has since died.

Kyle said Ramirez talked him into running away from a Sacramento foster home. He wound up living with her and a woman named Catherine Cockrell in Pleasanton. Cockrell introduced Ramirez to Lau and Schumacher, who opened up their home to the pair in July 2007.

From there, Kyle recounts horrific abuse. He said the family forced him to do all the chores and make him kneel for hours on the floor until his knees hurt. He said he was hit constantly and never got to shower. The family, he said, would rarely call him by his real name, and Ramirez, he added, would refer to him as “Iggit.”

Kyle was allegedly abused nearly every day until he bled, and that’s the only reason he ever got new clothes, he said.

Sometime in fall 2008, Lau poured him a cup of “Red Hot Damn,” a spicy cinnamon liquor, said Waiters’ niece, Chelsea Waiters, 16. She said Kyle drank it, got sick and vomited. Lau then screamed at him, Chelsea told grand jurors.

At other times, the adults would force him to chew marijuana and make him drink liquor, the boy said.

The four Schumacher children, ages 1 through 9, said they understood that what was happening to Kyle was “bad,” but they didn’t want to tell anyone. The oldest child said she actually liked that Kyle lived with her family because he would hang out with her and help her with homework.

Grand jurors also interviewed detectives, friends and family of both the victim and the suspects and neighbors.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: ChiChi on June 13, 2009, 02:17:38 AM
If anyone would like to light a candle for Sandra today, here is a great site:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Cantu

I'll catch you all later.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks SO much for postingCece!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks for posting, that is nice.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: ChiChi on June 13, 2009, 02:21:02 AM
This is a bit off topic but I tell you Monkeys  this young teen lived through hell. If you don't mind  my sharing this here. Kyle deserves to have his story told. He was a kidnapped victim and some how lived through horrible and unimaginable abuse at the hands of 4 cowards.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2716740-Tortured+teen+testimony+released&article-Tortured%20teen%20testimony%20released%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&#cb_post_comment_2716740

Tortured teen testimony released
by Jennifer Wadsworth/ TP staffJun 12, 2009 | 123 views | 1  | 1  |  |  A 16-year-old allegedly tortured for a year inside a Tracy home told a grand jury that he escaped because his captors talked about killing him and dumping his body in the Delta.

Afraid for his life, the boy — called Kyle in court papers — fled the Tennis Lane home on Dec. 1 by unlocking himself from the fireplace to which he was chained and using a trampoline to hop over the backyard wall. He then limped across an adjacent parking lot and into the lobby of a sports club, where employees called police for help.

After he heard his alleged captors talking on speakerphone about how they planned to cut off his fingers with a meat cleaver, Kyle said he knew then that he had to find a way out.

“I had to hurry up and leave or it was just going to be the end from there,” he said in a newly unsealed 928-page transcript of a grand jury hearing that led to a slew of indictments against the four adults accused of imprisoning Kyle.

Husband and wife Michael Schumacher and Kelly Lau were arrested in December along with next-door neighbor Anthony Waiters and a woman named Carén Ramirez who called herself Kyle’s mom. Police said they starved, drugged and beat the boy for as many as 18 months after he fled a Sacramento group home in spring 2007.

The four could spend life in prison if found guilty of the several charges of torture, kidnapping, false imprisonment, assault with caustic chemicals and other forms of abuse. All except Schumacher pleaded not guilty to all charges. He has yet to enter a plea. The four are due in court again on June 18.

Kyle told the grand jury that the abuse escalated from slapping and punching to slicing flesh and drawing blood for offenses as minor as forgetting to feed the dog or for taking food to slake his hunger.

Waiters once sliced Kyle’s arm with a steak knife, Kyle said. Ramirez held his arm down and Kyle screamed, the boy alleged. Kyle said that afterwards, the pair poured bleach on his cuts and doctored them with salt and butter before wrapping his arm in a paper towel.

Other times, Ramirez, Lau and Waiters would stick an aluminum baseball bat into the fireplace and brand Kyle’s back, the teen said.

“Carén and Kelly came up with the idea of, like, heating the bat up, and then I guess they started branding me with the bat,” Kyle said.

The boy said Schumacher would sometimes punch him in the face until he passed out. Kyle also said he was chained to the fireplace, where he was forced to sleep most nights.

Lau used a belt once to choke him until he lost consciousness, Kyle said. She allegedly strapped a belt around his neck and buckled it. He dropped to the fireplace hearth and his arm fell on the grate while the fire blazed, he said.

“When I first woke up, I didn’t know what happened or anything,” he said. “So then I immediately noticed my arm was, like, discolored and everything, and I was, like, really freaking out, and at first I didn’t feel anything.”

To treat the burn, Kyle said Ramirez would just pour bleach on it. His wounds scabbed over and became infected.

The boy said he never saw a physician and had been kept out of school since the eighth grade.

He said he hasn’t seen his mother, Susan Barnett, since he was about 8 years old, when Ramirez somehow obtained custody of him and his brother. Barnett has since died.

Kyle said Ramirez talked him into running away from a Sacramento foster home. He wound up living with her and a woman named Catherine Cockrell in Pleasanton. Cockrell introduced Ramirez to Lau and Schumacher, who opened up their home to the pair in July 2007.

From there, Kyle recounts horrific abuse. He said the family forced him to do all the chores and make him kneel for hours on the floor until his knees hurt. He said he was hit constantly and never got to shower. The family, he said, would rarely call him by his real name, and Ramirez, he added, would refer to him as “Iggit.”

Kyle was allegedly abused nearly every day until he bled, and that’s the only reason he ever got new clothes, he said.

Sometime in fall 2008, Lau poured him a cup of “Red Hot Damn,” a spicy cinnamon liquor, said Waiters’ niece, Chelsea Waiters, 16. She said Kyle drank it, got sick and vomited. Lau then screamed at him, Chelsea told grand jurors.

At other times, the adults would force him to chew marijuana and make him drink liquor, the boy said.

The four Schumacher children, ages 1 through 9, said they understood that what was happening to Kyle was “bad,” but they didn’t want to tell anyone. The oldest child said she actually liked that Kyle lived with her family because he would hang out with her and help her with homework.

Grand jurors also interviewed detectives, friends and family of both the victim and the suspects and neighbors.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.



Seriously, we saw this on Fox 40 tonight...what the hell is wrong with people anymore.  That one gal was a damned GIRL SCOUT LEADER... great.... poor kid, what a bunch of sick F@!@'s.  I pray that this boy get the much needed therapy he needs.  I hope they smash these people and give them life in prison. I've driven by that In Shape so many times.... freaky.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 13, 2009, 09:22:34 AM
This is a bit off topic but I tell you Monkeys  this young teen lived through hell. If you don't mind  my sharing this here. Kyle deserves to have his story told. He was a kidnapped victim and some how lived through horrible and unimaginable abuse at the hands of 4 cowards.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2716740-Tortured+teen+testimony+released&article-Tortured%20teen%20testimony%20released%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&#cb_post_comment_2716740

Tortured teen testimony released
by Jennifer Wadsworth/ TP staffJun 12, 2009 | 123 views | 1  | 1  |  |  A 16-year-old allegedly tortured for a year inside a Tracy home told a grand jury that he escaped because his captors talked about killing him and dumping his body in the Delta.

Afraid for his life, the boy — called Kyle in court papers — fled the Tennis Lane home on Dec. 1 by unlocking himself from the fireplace to which he was chained and using a trampoline to hop over the backyard wall. He then limped across an adjacent parking lot and into the lobby of a sports club, where employees called police for help.

After he heard his alleged captors talking on speakerphone about how they planned to cut off his fingers with a meat cleaver, Kyle said he knew then that he had to find a way out.

“I had to hurry up and leave or it was just going to be the end from there,” he said in a newly unsealed 928-page transcript of a grand jury hearing that led to a slew of indictments against the four adults accused of imprisoning Kyle.

Husband and wife Michael Schumacher and Kelly Lau were arrested in December along with next-door neighbor Anthony Waiters and a woman named Carén Ramirez who called herself Kyle’s mom. Police said they starved, drugged and beat the boy for as many as 18 months after he fled a Sacramento group home in spring 2007.

The four could spend life in prison if found guilty of the several charges of torture, kidnapping, false imprisonment, assault with caustic chemicals and other forms of abuse. All except Schumacher pleaded not guilty to all charges. He has yet to enter a plea. The four are due in court again on June 18.

Kyle told the grand jury that the abuse escalated from slapping and punching to slicing flesh and drawing blood for offenses as minor as forgetting to feed the dog or for taking food to slake his hunger.

Waiters once sliced Kyle’s arm with a steak knife, Kyle said. Ramirez held his arm down and Kyle screamed, the boy alleged. Kyle said that afterwards, the pair poured bleach on his cuts and doctored them with salt and butter before wrapping his arm in a paper towel.

Other times, Ramirez, Lau and Waiters would stick an aluminum baseball bat into the fireplace and brand Kyle’s back, the teen said.

“Carén and Kelly came up with the idea of, like, heating the bat up, and then I guess they started branding me with the bat,” Kyle said.

The boy said Schumacher would sometimes punch him in the face until he passed out. Kyle also said he was chained to the fireplace, where he was forced to sleep most nights.

Lau used a belt once to choke him until he lost consciousness, Kyle said. She allegedly strapped a belt around his neck and buckled it. He dropped to the fireplace hearth and his arm fell on the grate while the fire blazed, he said.

“When I first woke up, I didn’t know what happened or anything,” he said. “So then I immediately noticed my arm was, like, discolored and everything, and I was, like, really freaking out, and at first I didn’t feel anything.”

To treat the burn, Kyle said Ramirez would just pour bleach on it. His wounds scabbed over and became infected.

The boy said he never saw a physician and had been kept out of school since the eighth grade.

He said he hasn’t seen his mother, Susan Barnett, since he was about 8 years old, when Ramirez somehow obtained custody of him and his brother. Barnett has since died.

Kyle said Ramirez talked him into running away from a Sacramento foster home. He wound up living with her and a woman named Catherine Cockrell in Pleasanton. Cockrell introduced Ramirez to Lau and Schumacher, who opened up their home to the pair in July 2007.

From there, Kyle recounts horrific abuse. He said the family forced him to do all the chores and make him kneel for hours on the floor until his knees hurt. He said he was hit constantly and never got to shower. The family, he said, would rarely call him by his real name, and Ramirez, he added, would refer to him as “Iggit.”

Kyle was allegedly abused nearly every day until he bled, and that’s the only reason he ever got new clothes, he said.

Sometime in fall 2008, Lau poured him a cup of “Red Hot Damn,” a spicy cinnamon liquor, said Waiters’ niece, Chelsea Waiters, 16. She said Kyle drank it, got sick and vomited. Lau then screamed at him, Chelsea told grand jurors.

At other times, the adults would force him to chew marijuana and make him drink liquor, the boy said.

The four Schumacher children, ages 1 through 9, said they understood that what was happening to Kyle was “bad,” but they didn’t want to tell anyone. The oldest child said she actually liked that Kyle lived with her family because he would hang out with her and help her with homework.

Grand jurors also interviewed detectives, friends and family of both the victim and the suspects and neighbors.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.



Seriously, we saw this on Fox 40 tonight...what the hell is wrong with people anymore.  That one gal was a damned GIRL SCOUT LEADER... great.... poor kid, what a bunch of sick F@!@'s.  I pray that this boy get the much needed therapy he needs.  I hope they smash these people and give them life in prison. I've driven by that In Shape so many times.... freaky.

  My first thought when reading this, was the child has an active imagination.  It is bizarre and almost unbelievable.  But now I wonder.

I was talking to my friend this morning, she told me about the women who drove her car into water with her 4-5 children, because they were a hindrance to her with her new boyfriend - she escaped, but the children died.  Another story about a Mother drowning her 6 young children in the bathtub, one by one.

It makes me want to vomit.  Why don't they give them up for adoption ?  Why kill them ?  What is going on in our new world ?  Apparently, having children is too much of a burden - thank heaven - this is kept to a small number (I hope).


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: MuffyBee on June 13, 2009, 09:38:02 AM
Sacsayhuan~  have you been to the "Crimes Against Children" area at Scared Monkeys?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=9.0

The number of children that are scalded, starved, beaten, abused, sometimes killed by their own families is staggering.  And the cases here at SM are only a few, that we have time to be able to post.  I know some days I have to step away from that area because it is so sad.  And what is really sad are children are being abused at the hands of those that should love them and sometimes it's never brought to light.  There are children that are missing and not even reported for months or years.  There are cases in our missing persons threads of children that are gone, and I suspect some of them were murdered by their own families. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 13, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
Connie and Lane Lawless want custody of the little girl? WHAT???? We have to get moving monkeys, this man cannot have access to this little one, no, no way, no how! We know he is up to know good, we know his family has been up to no good, now we have to have the ammunition to prove this. Our dead line is approaching I suppose in July, YIKES!!!

It is a possible scenario that MH is taking the rap for what someone else helped her with or did...
I think there was most likely at least one or two others with MH when she committed this atrocious act.  And it's possible that her child/ren are being held as "ransom" ...so that she sticks to the story.  There may be threats we do not know about making her family far more terrifying than LE... ::MonkeyEek::
  LoneMonkey - I would say - let MH talk.  I'm going to evaluate the negatives and possitives in the "No Guilty" plea.  I would imagine, if she is proven wrong - adios.


Good morning everyone.  It's much too early to evaluate the effect of MH's Not Guilty plea.  There's no surprise there for me.  It's her attorney's way of forcing the DA to the preliminary hearing stage, which is what the DA wants.  That will be held on September 24th, and on every subsequent Thursday & Friday until it is complete.  I don't know if the Court will close the doors to the public for the Prelim, but if not, brace yourselves.  You'll be hearing the prosecution's case for the first time.  At the Prelim, the prosecution has the burden of proving to the court that sufficient evidence exists to hold the defendant for trial.  While the prosecution will not show all its cards, you'll get a pretty good glimpse of the case.  There's also a possibility that as the date grows closer, MH will waive the preliminary hearing.  We may know the status of that on September 8th.  Assuming the Prelim goes forward, MH will have the opportunity to replead.  But I don't expect her plea to change.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 13, 2009, 10:15:17 AM
Good Morning Monkies and the Lone Monkey!  Where is Jess Star ?  I can't wait to hear Jess Star's opinion on the "NO Guilty" Plea.   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 13, 2009, 10:15:31 AM
Sacsayhuan~  have you been to the "Crimes Against Children" area at Scared Monkeys?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=9.0

The number of children that are scalded, starved, beaten, abused, sometimes killed by their own families is staggering.  And the cases here at SM are only a few, that we have time to be able to post.  I know some days I have to step away from that area because it is so sad.  And what is really sad are children are being abused at the hands of those that should love them and sometimes it's never brought to light.  There are children that are missing and not even reported for months or years.  There are cases in our missing persons threads of children that are gone, and I suspect some of them were murdered by their own families. 

Unfortunately, MuffyBee is right.  Crimes against children are much more prevalent than people think.  In fact, I just read a news article from Warren, Michigan yesterday where a grandmother choked to death her 4 year old granddaughter. 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mi-granddaughterslai,0,4380844.story

That's why I am lobbying hard here for us to put together a grass roots movement for change.  Funding this isn't a political issue.  It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you're on.  It's merely a matter of persistence, dedication, and the willingness to fight for what's undeniably right-the protection of our kids.  The crime will never be stopped, but a dedicated program can put a big dent in it. 

It's a shame that the FBI is given a mere $30 million a year to battle child exploitation crimes when this country squanders away billions upon billions of dollars a year.




Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 13, 2009, 10:17:16 AM
Good Morning Monkies and the Lone Monkey!  Where is Jess Star ?  I can't wait to hear Jess Star's opinion on the "NO Guilty" Plea.   ::MonkeyDance::



Gee, thanks Sacs!  I think our posts crossed in the mail!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 13, 2009, 11:08:33 AM
Thanks JessStar for you informative opinion. Traceygirl, thanks for posting that article about Kyle. MuffyBee, I think this is time for me for the day to walk away after reading what these inhuman people did to that boy, it is horrific and I can't comprehend that at all. Between what people do to other people and animals, I can't figure out what goes on inside their heads. I guess it is good not to be able to figure that out, but at the same time, I want to know how these people think  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 01:09:11 PM
This is a bit off topic but I tell you Monkeys  this young teen lived through hell. If you don't mind  my sharing this here. Kyle deserves to have his story told. He was a kidnapped victim and some how lived through horrible and unimaginable abuse at the hands of 4 cowards.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2716740-Tortured+teen+testimony+released&article-Tortured%20teen%20testimony%20released%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&#cb_post_comment_2716740

Tortured teen testimony released
by Jennifer Wadsworth/ TP staffJun 12, 2009 | 123 views | 1  | 1  |  |  A 16-year-old allegedly tortured for a year inside a Tracy home told a grand jury that he escaped because his captors talked about killing him and dumping his body in the Delta.

Afraid for his life, the boy — called Kyle in court papers — fled the Tennis Lane home on Dec. 1 by unlocking himself from the fireplace to which he was chained and using a trampoline to hop over the backyard wall. He then limped across an adjacent parking lot and into the lobby of a sports club, where employees called police for help.

After he heard his alleged captors talking on speakerphone about how they planned to cut off his fingers with a meat cleaver, Kyle said he knew then that he had to find a way out.

“I had to hurry up and leave or it was just going to be the end from there,” he said in a newly unsealed 928-page transcript of a grand jury hearing that led to a slew of indictments against the four adults accused of imprisoning Kyle.

Husband and wife Michael Schumacher and Kelly Lau were arrested in December along with next-door neighbor Anthony Waiters and a woman named Carén Ramirez who called herself Kyle’s mom. Police said they starved, drugged and beat the boy for as many as 18 months after he fled a Sacramento group home in spring 2007.

The four could spend life in prison if found guilty of the several charges of torture, kidnapping, false imprisonment, assault with caustic chemicals and other forms of abuse. All except Schumacher pleaded not guilty to all charges. He has yet to enter a plea. The four are due in court again on June 18.

Kyle told the grand jury that the abuse escalated from slapping and punching to slicing flesh and drawing blood for offenses as minor as forgetting to feed the dog or for taking food to slake his hunger.

Waiters once sliced Kyle’s arm with a steak knife, Kyle said. Ramirez held his arm down and Kyle screamed, the boy alleged. Kyle said that afterwards, the pair poured bleach on his cuts and doctored them with salt and butter before wrapping his arm in a paper towel.

Other times, Ramirez, Lau and Waiters would stick an aluminum baseball bat into the fireplace and brand Kyle’s back, the teen said.

“Carén and Kelly came up with the idea of, like, heating the bat up, and then I guess they started branding me with the bat,” Kyle said.

The boy said Schumacher would sometimes punch him in the face until he passed out. Kyle also said he was chained to the fireplace, where he was forced to sleep most nights.

Lau used a belt once to choke him until he lost consciousness, Kyle said. She allegedly strapped a belt around his neck and buckled it. He dropped to the fireplace hearth and his arm fell on the grate while the fire blazed, he said.

“When I first woke up, I didn’t know what happened or anything,” he said. “So then I immediately noticed my arm was, like, discolored and everything, and I was, like, really freaking out, and at first I didn’t feel anything.”

To treat the burn, Kyle said Ramirez would just pour bleach on it. His wounds scabbed over and became infected.

The boy said he never saw a physician and had been kept out of school since the eighth grade.

He said he hasn’t seen his mother, Susan Barnett, since he was about 8 years old, when Ramirez somehow obtained custody of him and his brother. Barnett has since died.

Kyle said Ramirez talked him into running away from a Sacramento foster home. He wound up living with her and a woman named Catherine Cockrell in Pleasanton. Cockrell introduced Ramirez to Lau and Schumacher, who opened up their home to the pair in July 2007.

From there, Kyle recounts horrific abuse. He said the family forced him to do all the chores and make him kneel for hours on the floor until his knees hurt. He said he was hit constantly and never got to shower. The family, he said, would rarely call him by his real name, and Ramirez, he added, would refer to him as “Iggit.”

Kyle was allegedly abused nearly every day until he bled, and that’s the only reason he ever got new clothes, he said.

Sometime in fall 2008, Lau poured him a cup of “Red Hot Damn,” a spicy cinnamon liquor, said Waiters’ niece, Chelsea Waiters, 16. She said Kyle drank it, got sick and vomited. Lau then screamed at him, Chelsea told grand jurors.

At other times, the adults would force him to chew marijuana and make him drink liquor, the boy said.

The four Schumacher children, ages 1 through 9, said they understood that what was happening to Kyle was “bad,” but they didn’t want to tell anyone. The oldest child said she actually liked that Kyle lived with her family because he would hang out with her and help her with homework.

Grand jurors also interviewed detectives, friends and family of both the victim and the suspects and neighbors.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.



Seriously, we saw this on Fox 40 tonight...what the hell is wrong with people anymore.  That one gal was a damned GIRL SCOUT LEADER... great.... poor kid, what a bunch of sick F@!@'s.  I pray that this boy get the much needed therapy he needs.  I hope they smash these people and give them life in prison. I've driven by that In Shape so many times.... freaky.

  My first thought when reading this, was the child has an active imagination.  It is bizarre and almost unbelievable.  But now I wonder.

I was talking to my friend this morning, she told me about the women who drove her car into water with her 4-5 children, because they were a hindrance to her with her new boyfriend - she escaped, but the children died.  Another story about a Mother drowning her 6 young children in the bathtub, one by one.

It makes me want to vomit.  Why don't they give them up for adoption ?  Why kill them ?  What is going on in our new world ?  Apparently, having children is too much of a burden - thank heaven - this is kept to a small number (I hope).

Sadly his body was all of the evidence needed to prove every bit of the abuse he suffered.

I have driven by that house hundreds of times, if I only knew what this child was going through I would have helped him. You know the neighbors around this house, not the evil monster next door but the ones on the other side and across the street could see this boy was in trouble. The little girl who lives across the street had spent the night and witnessed abuse, such as Kelly Lau forcing Kyle to eat a housefly, screaming at him, cursing him, forcing him to sleep by the garage door on a little mat as a dog would. This girl went home and told her grandmother who did nothing! No call to police, no call to CPS, nothing! Oh wait, she said her granddaughter could not go there anymore! What???? Was Kyle not good enough to help???? She even admits to seeing how Kyle was looking thin and sickly, she wondered why he was not going to school, had no shoes...She knew but CHOOSE to look away! Shame on her, shame, shame, shame! She could have helped him. I hope for the rest of her life she feels the selfish decision she made by not getting involved.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 13, 2009, 02:37:31 PM
Sacsayhuan~  have you been to the "Crimes Against Children" area at Scared Monkeys?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=9.0

The number of children that are scalded, starved, beaten, abused, sometimes killed by their own families is staggering.  And the cases here at SM are only a few, that we have time to be able to post.  I know some days I have to step away from that area because it is so sad.  And what is really sad are children are being abused at the hands of those that should love them and sometimes it's never brought to light.  There are children that are missing and not even reported for months or years.  There are cases in our missing persons threads of children that are gone, and I suspect some of them were murdered by their own families. 

So true Muffy...and it happens on a daily basis right in our own back yards  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 13, 2009, 02:38:38 PM
Sorry if this is a repeat post>>>

13 June 2009 10:26AM
Huckaby’s Not Guilty Plea Could Lead to Lengthy Preliminary Hearing

STOCKTON, Calif. (KCBS)-- The not guilty plea by the Tracy woman accused of murdering Sandra Cantu has set the stage for what could be a lengthy preliminary hearing.

Prosecutors say the hearing for 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby will last six days, but Bay Area Attorney Steven Clark says that is “a conservative estimate” and that it will likely last must longer because of the special circumstances surrounding the sexual assault and the two new charges filed last month. In May, prosecutors filed new complaints against the former Sunday School teacher for allegedly poisoning a seven-year-old girl in January and an adult man in March.
http://www.kcbs.com/Huckaby-s-Not-Guilty-Plea-Could-Lead-to-Lengthy-Pr/4593870


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on June 13, 2009, 11:23:08 PM
Sorry if this is a repeat post>>>

13 June 2009 10:26AM
Huckaby’s Not Guilty Plea Could Lead to Lengthy Preliminary Hearing

STOCKTON, Calif. (KCBS)-- The not guilty plea by the Tracy woman accused of murdering Sandra Cantu has set the stage for what could be a lengthy preliminary hearing.

Prosecutors say the hearing for 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby will last six days, but Bay Area Attorney Steven Clark says that is “a conservative estimate” and that it will likely last must longer because of the special circumstances surrounding the sexual assault and the two new charges filed last month. In May, prosecutors filed new complaints against the former Sunday School teacher for allegedly poisoning a seven-year-old girl in January and an adult man in March.
http://www.kcbs.com/Huckaby-s-Not-Guilty-Plea-Could-Lead-to-Lengthy-Pr/4593870

I missed somewhere that she poisoned and adult male?  Who is that man?  I assume when they talk of poisoning the 7 year old, that is with drugs??    Was that the other child that lived in the trailer park?   sorry, I have been missing in action, and lost track of information.  thanks.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 12:35:12 AM
My brain is going  ::MonkeyConfused:: I am trying to answer your question however it is not making sense, lol. MH was dating some man and he ended up drugged and was arrested for being under the influence. I cannot remember how they linked MH to the drugging but they did and she was charged.

 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 14, 2009, 09:37:20 AM
Last night, I went to sleep thinking, the reason for so many crimes against children are taking place is because parent's are unable to care for them - so get rid of them.  I feel the same today.  We are in the U.S.! 

You are going to love this.  Good old Dr. Cyril Wecht who did the autopsy on Sandra -

It's in Globe - please do not buy this tabloid - I just have to have it incase someone pushes me.

“Famed forensic pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht, author of a Question of Murder, notes the scene of the crime would lead people to believe that Carradine, known to enjoy kinky sex, was practicing “erotic asphyxiation.”





Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sacsayhuan on June 14, 2009, 11:08:36 AM
Last night, I went to sleep thinking, the reason for so many crimes against children are taking place is because parent's are unable to care for them - so get rid of them.  I feel the same today.  We are in the U.S.! 

You are going to love this.  Good old Dr. Cyril Wecht who did the autopsy on Sandra -

It's in Globe - please do not buy this tabloid - I just have to have it incase someone pushes me.

“Famed forensic pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht, author of a Question of Murder, notes the scene of the crime would lead people to believe that Carradine, known to enjoy kinky sex, was practicing “erotic asphyxiation.”




  I just read my own post - it sounds like I am implicating the parents - I am not and I do not think they know anything - I am just saying we have a big problem.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 14, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
Sorry if this is a repeat post>>>

13 June 2009 10:26AM
Huckaby’s Not Guilty Plea Could Lead to Lengthy Preliminary Hearing

STOCKTON, Calif. (KCBS)-- The not guilty plea by the Tracy woman accused of murdering Sandra Cantu has set the stage for what could be a lengthy preliminary hearing.

Prosecutors say the hearing for 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby will last six days, but Bay Area Attorney Steven Clark says that is “a conservative estimate” and that it will likely last must longer because of the special circumstances surrounding the sexual assault and the two new charges filed last month. In May, prosecutors filed new complaints against the former Sunday School teacher for allegedly poisoning a seven-year-old girl in January and an adult man in March.
http://www.kcbs.com/Huckaby-s-Not-Guilty-Plea-Could-Lead-to-Lengthy-Pr/4593870

I missed somewhere that she poisoned and adult male?  Who is that man?  I assume when they talk of poisoning the 7 year old, that is with drugs??    Was that the other child that lived in the trailer park?   sorry, I have been missing in action, and lost track of information.  thanks.

Hi AZSunny.  I see you are not here right now, but hope this helps answer you question when you log back in.  Here is a link to the article  (also, Blink did an article about this).

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090522/A_NEWS/905220312



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 14, 2009, 12:05:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/5Vk_SELMvKs&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: cece on June 14, 2009, 12:26:54 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/SANDRA%20CANTU/sandracantu.jpg)


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 14, 2009, 12:45:33 PM
Sacsayhuan~  have you been to the "Crimes Against Children" area at Scared Monkeys?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=9.0

The number of children that are scalded, starved, beaten, abused, sometimes killed by their own families is staggering.  And the cases here at SM are only a few, that we have time to be able to post.  I know some days I have to step away from that area because it is so sad.  And what is really sad are children are being abused at the hands of those that should love them and sometimes it's never brought to light.  There are children that are missing and not even reported for months or years.  There are cases in our missing persons threads of children that are gone, and I suspect some of them were murdered by their own families. 

Unfortunately, MuffyBee is right.  Crimes against children are much more prevalent than people think.  In fact, I just read a news article from Warren, Michigan yesterday where a grandmother choked to death her 4 year old granddaughter. 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mi-granddaughterslai,0,4380844.story

That's why I am lobbying hard here for us to put together a grass roots movement for change.  Funding this isn't a political issue.  It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you're on.  It's merely a matter of persistence, dedication, and the willingness to fight for what's undeniably right-the protection of our kids.  The crime will never be stopped, but a dedicated program can put a big dent in it. 

It's a shame that the FBI is given a mere $30 million a year to battle child exploitation crimes when this country squanders away billions upon billions of dollars a year.

Inspiring post Jess!
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Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on June 14, 2009, 11:41:30 PM
My brain is going  ::MonkeyConfused:: I am trying to answer your question however it is not making sense, lol. MH was dating some man and he ended up drugged and was arrested for being under the influence. I cannot remember how they linked MH to the drugging but they did and she was charged.

 

Did I phrase that question a little disjointedly?  Thanks for the answer though.  Was she dumping ecstasy on him?  This is just more and more bizarre.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: AZSunny on June 14, 2009, 11:45:31 PM
Sorry if this is a repeat post>>>

13 June 2009 10:26AM
Huckaby’s Not Guilty Plea Could Lead to Lengthy Preliminary Hearing

STOCKTON, Calif. (KCBS)-- The not guilty plea by the Tracy woman accused of murdering Sandra Cantu has set the stage for what could be a lengthy preliminary hearing.

Prosecutors say the hearing for 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby will last six days, but Bay Area Attorney Steven Clark says that is “a conservative estimate” and that it will likely last must longer because of the special circumstances surrounding the sexual assault and the two new charges filed last month. In May, prosecutors filed new complaints against the former Sunday School teacher for allegedly poisoning a seven-year-old girl in January and an adult man in March.
http://www.kcbs.com/Huckaby-s-Not-Guilty-Plea-Could-Lead-to-Lengthy-Pr/4593870

I missed somewhere that she poisoned and adult male?  Who is that man?  I assume when they talk of poisoning the 7 year old, that is with drugs??    Was that the other child that lived in the trailer park?   sorry, I have been missing in action, and lost track of information.  thanks.

Hi AZSunny.  I see you are not here right now, but hope this helps answer you question when you log back in.  Here is a link to the article  (also, Blink did an article about this).

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090522/A_NEWS/905220312



Thank you,  I hadn't seen that article. 


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 15, 2009, 01:12:48 PM
Good afternoon everyone. Just jumped on real quickly to correct a misstatement in one of tha above posts. Cyril Wecht did not conduct the Sandra's autopsy. So don't worry about what some may think is an odd COD in the Carradine case. I'm working mobilly right now, so I can't pull up the doctor's name that performed the autopsy, but he is a very well-respected pathologist, and the current ME for Joaquin County. He practiced under Wecht for many years. I know Cyril Wecht fairly we'll. Once you get passed his ego, he's likely one the finest MEs in the world. With that said, I wouldn't laugh at his prelim COD for Carradine. Believe it or not, despite how weird it sounds,erotic asphyxiation occurs more often than one might think. There have been several deaths associated with it in recent years. Let me know if you want me to go into the details. It's probably OT here though.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 15, 2009, 01:37:29 PM
Good afternoon everyone. Just jumped on real quickly to correct a misstatement in one of tha above posts. Cyril Wecht did not conduct the Sandra's autopsy. So don't worry about what some may think is an odd COD in the Carradine case. I'm working mobilly right now, so I can't pull up the doctor's name that performed the autopsy, but he is a very well-respected pathologist, and the current ME for Joaquin County. He practiced under Wecht for many years. I know Cyril Wecht fairly we'll. Once you get passed his ego, he's likely one the finest MEs in the world. With that said, I wouldn't laugh at his prelim COD for Carradine. Believe it or not, despite how weird it sounds,erotic asphyxiation occurs more often than one might think. There have been several deaths associated with it in recent years. Let me know if you want me to go into the details. It's probably OT here though.

Here's the story on the ME for Sandra Cantu's autopsy
You can read the full article here:

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1174/reftab/36/t/Defense-Attacks-Credibility-of-Pathologist-in-Sandra-Cantu-Case/Default.aspx (http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1174/reftab/36/t/Defense-Attacks-Credibility-of-Pathologist-in-Sandra-Cantu-Case/Default.aspx)

Defense Attacks Credibility of Pathologist in Sandra Cantu Case
Created by Administrator Account on 4/23/2009 5:24:39 PM

      SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Though Melissa Huckaby's attorneys plan to withdraw their motion to exhume Sandra Cantu's body, the prosecution and defense remain on a collision course over the forensic evidence from her autopsy.

      The defense is attacking the credibility of the pathologist whose findings will be used to support charges that Melissa Huckaby raped the 8-year-old--an allegation that could bring the death penalty if the one-time Sunday school aide is convicted. Huckaby is scheduled to make her second court appearance Friday.

      At the center of the conflict is San Joaquin County's chief medical examiner, Dr. Bennet Omalu, who has been in the spotlight before.

      The 40-year-old neuropathologist gained national media attention for his research on the damaged brains of dead NFL players.

      He is also a government witness in a federal corruption case against his former boss, celebrity pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht, who has earned millions of dollars investigating high-profile deaths, including those of Elvis Presley and JonBenet Ramsey.

      In a phone interview with The Associated Press before a judge issued a gag order in the case, Public Defender Peter Fox questioned Omalu's objectivity.

      Several attorneys in his office have complained that Omalu's opinions in other homicide cases they were defending were biased toward the prosecution, said Fox, who declined to detail specific cases where defense attorneys have questioned Omalu's work.

      Omalu could not comment on Fox's claims because of the gag order, according to a San Joaquin County Sheriff's spokesman.


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 15, 2009, 03:56:28 PM
You know, when it first broke that MH was being charged with this crime, many people in the community voiced disbelief that a woman--and more importantly a mother of a small child--could commit such a heinous act.  Well, take a look at this piece of trash, take a step back, and thank God that these children were saved:

Maine Mom Nabbed in International Child Porn Sting
Monday , June 15, 2009

By Joshua Rhett Miller



A mother of four young children  in Maine was charged Monday with gross sexual assault after British investigators more than 3,000 miles away used the Internet to allegedly catch her in the act of Webcasting a sexual assault of her young child.

Julie M. Carr, 30, of Mars Hill, Maine, was arrested at about 11 p.m. Friday. Her four children — believed to range from 18 months to 5 years old  — were taken into protective custody.

The Child Exploitation Investigation Team of England's West Midlands Police said their unit received information late Thursday that a local man was using the Internet to show inappropriate material of children. An unidentified 18-year-old man was later arrested in Walsall, England.

A day later, on Friday, additional information was obtained by investigators, prompting the West Midland Police to contact officials at the Child Exploitation Online Protection and the U.S. Embassy.

"Our officers worked through the night on Thursday and Friday to ensure the identification and safety of these children across the other side of the world," West Midlands Police Detective Chief Inspector Dave McCrone said in a statement obtained by FOXNews.com. "Many people use the Internet safely and securely; however, there are a small minority who choose to use it to commit criminality."

"We work to make people safer, sooner. The very same technology used to commit the crime enables us to work quickly to protect those who may be vulnerable."

Carr, who is being held on $50,000 bail on charges of gross sexual assault and felony exploitation of a child, was arraigned by videoconference before a judge on Monday. She did not enter a plea, Maine State Police Det. Sgt. John Cote told FOXNews.com.

Cote declined to identify the victim seen during the assault but said one recording was taken as recently as Wednesday.

"That's kind of what facilitated us acting quickly on this information as we received it," he told FOXNews.com.

Cote said it was impossible to immediately determine how many individuals viewed the material allegedly posted by Carr. He declined to discuss statements Carr may have given to investigators, but said "this type of crime" is increasingly common.

"It's just continuing a trend that we're seeing — an increase in this type of crime," he said. "But as technology gets better, more units are dedicating more agents to this type of crime and are just getting better at it. It lends itself really to the prevelance of computers in our society."

Cote, in a release issued on Saturday, said investigators were able to confirm that the woman seen in the video was Carr, and a search warrant was then secured for her home.

Attorney Jeffrey Pickering, who represented Carr during Monday's arraignment, could not immediately be reached for comment. If convicted, Carr faces up to 20 years in prison for each charge.


What a great example of International Teamwork.  These LE groups deserve the greatest of commendations. 

Here's a picture of this piece of trash so we can memorialize it here forever:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/539336/0_21_carr_350.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526462,00.html



Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 15, 2009, 03:57:52 PM
By the way, isn't the logo on her T-shirt appropriate?  Bad Angel. . .yeah, you can say that. . .


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: Sister on June 15, 2009, 04:00:10 PM
You know, when it first broke that MH was being charged with this crime, many people in the community voiced disbelief that a woman--and more importantly a mother of a small child--could commit such a heinous act.  Well, take a look at this piece of trash, take a step back, and thank God that these children were saved:

Maine Mom Nabbed in International Child Porn Sting
Monday , June 15, 2009

By Joshua Rhett Miller



A mother of four young children  in Maine was charged Monday with gross sexual assault after British investigators more than 3,000 miles away used the Internet to allegedly catch her in the act of Webcasting a sexual assault of her young child.

Julie M. Carr, 30, of Mars Hill, Maine, was arrested at about 11 p.m. Friday. Her four children — believed to range from 18 months to 5 years old  — were taken into protective custody.

The Child Exploitation Investigation Team of England's West Midlands Police said their unit received information late Thursday that a local man was using the Internet to show inappropriate material of children. An unidentified 18-year-old man was later arrested in Walsall, England.

A day later, on Friday, additional information was obtained by investigators, prompting the West Midland Police to contact officials at the Child Exploitation Online Protection and the U.S. Embassy.

"Our officers worked through the night on Thursday and Friday to ensure the identification and safety of these children across the other side of the world," West Midlands Police Detective Chief Inspector Dave McCrone said in a statement obtained by FOXNews.com. "Many people use the Internet safely and securely; however, there are a small minority who choose to use it to commit criminality."

"We work to make people safer, sooner. The very same technology used to commit the crime enables us to work quickly to protect those who may be vulnerable."

Carr, who is being held on $50,000 bail on charges of gross sexual assault and felony exploitation of a child, was arraigned by videoconference before a judge on Monday. She did not enter a plea, Maine State Police Det. Sgt. John Cote told FOXNews.com.

Cote declined to identify the victim seen during the assault but said one recording was taken as recently as Wednesday.

"That's kind of what facilitated us acting quickly on this information as we received it," he told FOXNews.com.

Cote said it was impossible to immediately determine how many individuals viewed the material allegedly posted by Carr. He declined to discuss statements Carr may have given to investigators, but said "this type of crime" is increasingly common.

"It's just continuing a trend that we're seeing — an increase in this type of crime," he said. "But as technology gets better, more units are dedicating more agents to this type of crime and are just getting better at it. It lends itself really to the prevelance of computers in our society."

Cote, in a release issued on Saturday, said investigators were able to confirm that the woman seen in the video was Carr, and a search warrant was then secured for her home.

Attorney Jeffrey Pickering, who represented Carr during Monday's arraignment, could not immediately be reached for comment. If convicted, Carr faces up to 20 years in prison for each charge.


What a great example of International Teamwork.  These LE groups deserve the greatest of commendations. 

Here's a picture of this piece of trash so we can memorialize it here forever:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/539336/0_21_carr_350.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526462,00.html



JessStar, thank God the detectives worked so tirelessly.  But only $50,000 bond.  Now that is something we citizens should be up in arms about as well.  For a mere $5,000 she gets to walk the streets.  This is wrong!!!!


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: lonemonkey on June 15, 2009, 04:19:01 PM
You are RIGHT, Sister!!!!
$50,000???  WTH?!?! ::MonkeyShocked::
This article literally TURNED my stomach!!!  Thank GOD these babies were rescued!!!  She looks like she is quite possibly a meth head.

Crystal Meth is a different drug than the other narcotics ( heroin, cocaine, crack, etc..)...
Prior to meth, only 1 in 3 drug abusers was a woman and getting their children back was intense motivation for them to stop using.

But meth....
The ratio of users is 50-50 and in my county here in California - 50% of children in Foster Care are there for meth related reasons.  The rate of relapse is HUGE and the CHILDREN are paying the price!!!!!

Sorry if this is Off Topic...
But I have wondered actually if MH ever dabbled???
Some of those Guys in the MBP look like possible meth users....


Title: Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3-27-09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #4
Post by: JessStar on June 15, 2009, 04:31:45 PM
You are RIGHT, Sister!!!!
$50,000???  WTH?!?! ::MonkeyShocked::
This article literally TURNED my stomach!!!  Thank GOD these babies were rescued!!!  She looks like she is quite possibly a meth head.

Crystal Meth is a different drug than the other narcotics ( heroin, cocaine, crack, etc..)...
Prior to meth, only 1 in 3 drug abusers was a woman and getting their children back was intense motivation for them to stop using.

But meth....
The ratio of users is 50-50 and in my county here in California - 50% of children in Foster Care are there for meth related reasons.  The rate of relapse is HUGE and the CHILDREN are paying the price!!!!!

Sorry if this is Off Topic...
But I have wondered actually if MH ever dabbled???
Some of those Guys in the MBP look like possible meth users....

You're reaction to the bond was the same as mine.  Unbelievable.  When are these judges going to learn.   In my mind, there should be no bond for those who commit crimes agains