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 ::MonkeyCool::

KTF's House.....

13 seconds 2nj.....13 seconds!I'm Closing the Gap.. ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   I was watching for RCMP. 

That just reminded me that I didn't see Magnolia today.  I hope she's okay.

I think I saw her earlier in musings, not sure if she posted but I think she was there.

Darn,
I was trying to be first in the new thread....
But when I got the following....
An Error Has Occurred!
This topic is locked, you are not allowed to post or modify messages...

I knew I was toast.......
But I'll get over it......
Come on monkeys, only about 1000 more posts to get to the next thread.....where I WILL BE FIRST!  ::MonkeyCool::
Who's with me?
Come accross.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks....

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Robot's was with us on this thread change... ::MonkeyDance::

TxMom,
I noticed the Murder and Crime Thread has 111,000 views so people do still read there and apparently often.  And yes, you should mark your work as we know how things are taken and credit never given especially by those who always make much of it.

Kudos for all the work you do in keeping it current. 

billb,

I brought this over from the last thread....go for it.

I got the message too, trying to post Natalee's pic...I waited too late.   ::MonkeyWaa::

But I smiled when I saw the one that starts this thread...I love that one!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is BullSh_t BillB..This is how you get me in trouble! ::MonkeyTongue:: You know when i'm around you i stack more then usual... ::MonkeyHaHa::

When all Joran's lies are considered ... the only way to trust if repentence is sincere would be his willingness to be interrogated and polygraphed by the FBI.

IMO

texasmom ... it is Joran's parents who I hate.  I concede I have never bowed and confessed this hatred.

If these parents had taught their son that he was not above the legal and moral boundaries established by a civilized society ... if they had taught him that there are consequences for choosing not to respect those boundaries ... if they had warned him that he would not be shielded from those consequences ...

For crying out loud ... Paulus van der Sloot was gambling with his minor son at the Excelsior Casino on May 29, 2005 ... being the chain of events that would lead to Natalee Holloway's demise only a few hours later.

Joran must be held accountable for his actions but ... my anger is directed at Anita and Paulus van der Sloot.

Janet

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ANITA VAN DER SLOOT

On the Record w/ Greta
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: … He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.  And I believe in him. I believe so in him. ... I believe in him 200 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

'Scarborough Country' for August 1
updated 8:48 a.m. PT, Tues., Aug. 2, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY:  Well, he knows what‘s going on.  There‘s no doubt in my mind.  You know, if my child would have done something like this, you know, as a parent, you would know about it and you would go to the authorities and that type thing. 

But you‘re dealing with a judge and you‘re dealing with somebody that has coached his son on a daily basis.  You know, they go through the interrogation process.  The next day, the father visits with the son and he coaches him.  You know, this kid is an athlete, and he‘s used to coaching.  And his dad—he depends very heavily on his dad‘s advice and coaching. 

And to go through the interrogation process and then turn around and have daily visits, you know, no wonder we‘ve not ever been able to get anywhere.  ... He made a lot of statements to me that day.  And one of the statements that I really remember, and it sinks in, is, he can understand my position as a father, but, as the father of Joran, he‘ll do anything to protect his son.  And I believe that he will, unless he has a change of heart.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8798488/
 

NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for August 1, 2005, CNNHN
Aired August 1, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

DAVE HOLLOWAY: ... You know, you`ve got to stop and think. I went out to the prison and spoke directly with Paul Van Der Sloot, and you know, I don`t know whether I believe everything he said, but I did believe one thing, and that was that he would do everything he could to protect his son. And you know, these daily visits that he has, you know as well as I do, he`s going to be in there coaching and pumping his son, you know, just to, Keep on, keep on, and you`ll eventually get out.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.
That's why you are my favorite!
Don't tell Klaas or the other mods..... ::MonkeyCool::

I was sure they were holding a fund raiser to repay Dave Holloway for the money he just spent on their hoax search.  But I guess that would require actually have a conscience and some shred of remorse.

I see the bruise on your bananas from all the pulling I do to make you stack!
Admit it KTF...
You are a closet Stackaholic.... ::MonkeyTongue::

OK..I will admit it only if you agree to a river-rafting trip down the Cahulawassee River with myself,Joran and Wreck..Whatta ya think???I think the TRUTH would come out..... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Joran van der Sloot is shielded accountability by no only his parents but also the Aruban authorities.

Is it any wonder this young man is spinning out of control.  As Jug Twitty state ... Joran is a time bomb ready to explode.

Janet

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


NANCY GRACE
Remains of Young White Female Found in Reno Field; Natalee Holloway Case Update
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: Well, Holly, I`ll tell you, it`s very disappointing. But it doesn`t surprise me. I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick.

But, yes, hey I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to -- you know, to blow up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

Thanks Anna!

I figured at least if I mark them, they will have to save them as their own to edit them before posting, that way MAYBE they won't be using my photobucket links to post my work as their own. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I also hold paulass and aNITa accountable, and being a Christian I do hope they come to terms with our Lord and Savior.
But if Karma wants to come along before hand and beat the truth out of any of the three of them.....I would just chalk it up to life's lessons on their way to repentance! MOO

I hope it is OK that grab icons and do not credit them to anybody.  I have not idea what photobucket is all about.

Any images I post ... I credit them but ... they are still taken out of somebody's photobucket.  Is that OK.

Janet

I'd love to KTF....I'm thinking Deliverance (not you, me, wreck) butt somebody who really wants to stick it to urine!... ::MonkeyCool::
If I can't say that, please strike it out. Thank you.....  ::MonkeyRoll::

If I offended anyone, I apologize.....
I'll be good now.

OK

Too late for Scrabble game but ... neighbours are coming over with that banana loaf.  Their phone call woke hubby up who was sleep on the couch and ... he loves banana loaf.  His wife never bakes.  She is always on the computer.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Night All (Really)

Janet

My feelings for the parents...are double what I feel about Joran!  They made him what he is.

You are right.  This is Joran....   :smt073

With Joran as "Ned Beatty"??????  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ya never know Bill..A trip down the Cahulawassee River and Joran meeting the hillbillies might be to his liking.....Just sayin.. ::MonkeyEek::

See ya in a bit Janet....Always remember.LOGIC DICTATES in the FRASER VALLEY... ::MonkeyCool::

That is just too Funny... ::MonkeyLaugh::

I see we are all on the same page!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, you are fine IMO Janet.  The ones we are talking about are the biggest crybaby's about not "getting credit" for everything they do.  But they don't mind AT ALL taking others work and posting it as their own.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can imagine some of the places I'd never go, where they are linking to my photobucket.  Lazy...that's how I see it.

Joran =  :pig:

48 pages to go... ::MonkeyLaugh::  texasmom, wreck, billb, Tamikosmom, hotping, SuzieQ

We think alike Wreck! Ned Butty... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Squeel like a Pig..... ::MonkeyCool::

Good night Janet!  (((hugs)))   ::MonkeyCool::

What's the matter HotPing??Leave your Boogy shoes in the Closet.... ::cartwheel::

I'm game.....
Pssst...can anyone tell me how to be first on the next thread? I may have overstated my abilities earlier.. ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Sue- ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::weeeeee

Ned Butty... ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks for clearing up the fake missing person report in the aruba newspaper post.

Nope.....My boogy shoes are History....I Wore Them out...been Boogying since I watched that darn video last night...... Didn't get to sleep until after 400AM This morning ....No More Boogy for Hotping for at least a week....lol  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

You know..... Ned Beatty was a pretty well known and decent actor - but he will only be rembered for squealing like a pig!!! Sad!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night all...
My handlers just came in and told me it was time for my meds and bed....
Justice for Natalee is where it is at! Tomorrow may be that day! I'm praying...

You're welcome Edward!   ::MonkeyCool::

HotPing..We're you able to catch up with everything in Musings?

I'm praying Justice for Natalee will come soon too billb!

Good night, it's always fun when you spend some time with us!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You can't change from Ned Butty to Nurse Ratchett so fast BillB...Meds and Bed...She was known for that you know?If you were good you were treated to a labotomy.. ::MonkeyShocked:: Make sure you check in tomorrow or Chief will have to rescue you.... ::MonkeyCool::

Will Do!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   

I came back just to see what I might have missed....guess everyone is in another thread or elsewhere.

Goodnight....I'll see you later.

2NJSons_Mom, Keepthefaith and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

GoodNight 2nj..As a Mad scientist i've been in many different labs... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Age and location are right for Charles Croes.   ::MonkeyRoll::

4/22/2009 Awe Mainta Page 27

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

man is reclama cu first cu divorcio did take lugar, already end muher is ricibi visit of his amigo in cas

police owing to bay monday night, 23.21 at one cas at shiribana, for one asistencia in one problem among pareha. n’e sitio police is talk cu he c.c. naci at estados unidos of 63 year, that is tell police cu the do not of acuerdo cu his casa is ricibi visit of his amigo j.m. naci at aruba of 37 year, in his cas, while cu they're in proceso of divorcio. according c.c. owing to tell police cu the visit of the amigo owing to last much largo. but owing to resulta cu t’e muher does not for j.m. bay. police owing to intermedia, y owing to tell c.c. cu all two have the same derecho in the cas y the also can trece that cu the wanted in the cas. c.c.no was wanted owing to compronde. police owing to intermedia.

Texasmom -

Can you post this news article? 


http://www.schalke.nl/uploads/file/polygraaf20080104.pdf (http://www.schalke.nl/uploads/file/polygraaf20080104.pdf)

I don't think I know how to convert a .pdf and it doesn't work with the [ img ] tag.

Sure, I'll try!  brb

                          JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                             GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                        KEEPTHEFAITH

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Sorry I couldn't grab the text to translate it!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks!  


That's the polygraph lady, article from January 4, 2008 in De Telegraaf.

I'm working on a translation, but I don't do Adobe...can't just copy/paste the text.  Will report back if there's anything interesting.

Good night and God Bless KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

Wow...you've got your work cut out for you Lifesong! 

I tried but I think it was actually a photo on pdf., that's why I couldn't grab the text.

Wonder if the article might still be online somewhere.  Sure would save you a lot of trouble.

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance::

Google translation:

This is the html version of the file http://www.schalke.nl/uploads/file/polygraaf20080104.pdf.
Google automatically generates html versions of documents as we crawl the web.

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http://www.schalke.nl/uploads/file/polygraaf20080104.pdf


De Telegraaf
04 January 2008


Office does business as lie detector tests
EVERYBODY TO THE LIE DETECTOR

by
Martijn Koolhoven

BREDA, Friday The days of thieving or fraudulent workers seem numbered. The polygraf, better known as the lie detector or tell a lie, it soon appeared in the Dutch business. Particularly leasing companies would be keen to switch at short notice to respond to tamper customers.

The lie detector will be deployed to internal thefts to solve, and in the future will frequently be used for integrity and screening of new staff, for example, to determine whether a candidate is the truth about his or her curriculum vitae. Moreover, employees who feel that they have been unjustly accused, would also be a lie detector test to insist their innocence to prove.

In closed, the Dutch polygraf last week, in the presence of this newspaper, in Breda presented. One of the largest private private investigators in our country, Schalke & Partners in Breda, the Netherlands lie detector to manage the renowned agency werkzaa for many large companies, such as leasing companies, insurance companies and banks. The Troy University of Atlanta is now psychologist Dr. Annette Heldense trained to certified poly graphics researcher.  It is for Schalke & Partners Polytechnic graphic surveys for the companies perform.

Lease Drivers
Some leasing companies have already indicated that they want to polygraf to lease riders to question whose lease has disappeared under suspicious circumstances and suspicion of the bell of the client and / or staff. Time Seen hearing registreerl EEM polygraf  'psycho-physiological' reactions in the body (heart rate, bleed pressure, increased sweating, and respiration) of those to be examined. Investigations so far only on a voluntary basis, but refused to cooperate will not argue in favor of suspect employees or customers.

Schalke & Partners is also discussing cooperation with the Foundation Dr. S. Mesdag clinic in Groningen, the polygraf for some time used for screening of sex offenders on proefverlof want. The Van Mesdag clinic used as a test some time polygraf that a reliability of eighty to ninety percent, in addition to traditional psychological research.

Director Gerard Koorman of TBS clinic, which confirms that the linkiek soon decide on final with Schalke & Partners, describes the polygraf as a tool to get closer to the waarhid to come. " Koorman: "We are a TBS clinic co this instrument to patients to tell the truth. Our experience so far is that the device on patients following bledt to speak the truth without 100 percent certainty we can see OCK that the truth. Among scientists, the debate over the use of the device not ready." The Van Mesdagliniek would Schalke & Partners collaborate on the further development of the lie detector, the development of a label and set up a training program for people to work.

In explanation emphasizes director of Aad Schalke Schalke & Partners that polygraf also an excellent means for a suspicious person who just want to prove their innocence, such as Ernst Louwes and serial murderess Lucia B. "There are no other tactical survey which gives a score of ninety percent," said Schalke. "It is scandalous that there is not much more use is made of."

In the United States is working with the polygraf already daily practice in government for more screening of personnel, and business and insurance fraud to be unmasked and internal thefts to solve (the U.S. has more than 4000 certified polygraf researchers.) Often the threat to a lie detector to be enough to spontaneously perpetrators to confess their sins.

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http://www.polygraph.org/content/apa-accredited-polygraph-schools

Troy University Polygraph Center - Local, State & Federal agencies only
1117 Perimeter Center West, Suite N-101
Atlanta, GA 30338
Director: Samuel L. Braddock
Phone:770-730-0033x5121
E-mail: sbraddock@troy.edu
Website: http://atlanta.troy.edu

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http://atlanta.troy.edu/contentpage.cfm?whatpage=Polygraph%20Center

TROY UNIVERSITY
POLYGRAPH CENTER
POLYGRAPH SCIENCE TRAINING
FOR FORENSIC PSYCHOPHYSIOLOGY
At Troy University’s Atlanta Site

Director: Samuel L. Braddock


About the Director
Training Courses
Admission Requirements
Location
Contact Information


About the Director

Samuel L. Braddock, MS, MA, BS

Mr. Braddock has over 30 years of experience in law enforcement/counterintelligence and over 20 years experience in the field of forensic psychophysiology (polygraph science). He is retired from the U.S. Army and has an early deferred retirement from civil services. Mr. Braddock has worked for the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division (USACIDC), Office of Special Investigation (OSI), National Security Agency (NSA), Department of Defense Polygraph Institute (DoDPI), and the National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO). In the private sector, he has been a polygraph school curriculum coordinator and school director. He is the former Director of the Skyhawk Polygraph Institute at Sauk Valley Community College in Dixon, Illinois. Presently he is the criminal justice coordinator for Troy University’s Atlanta Site. In addition, Mr. Braddock has established an APA/AAPP polygraph school for Troy University.



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Polygraph Science Training for Forensic Psychophysiology

The Troy University Polygraph Center offers a 400 hour basic polygraph program with the established standards required by the American Polygraph Association, the American Association of Police Polygraphists and Troy University. Eight weeks (320 hours) will be on campus with two weeks (80 hours) of off-campus requirements.

Students can achieve twelve (12) undergraduate college credits with Troy University upon completion of the course of study.

The Troy University Polygraph Center will provide advanced training courses as requested in the following areas:

Interviewing and Interrogation
Chart Analysis
Sex Offender Testing
Screening / Applicant Testing
Terrorism
NOTE: Financial assistance is available for those who qualify.

To all;

The truth is that I not playing undercover or anything else what so ever.

I know this might be tempting to discover the way i wright. Sorry for any fault(s) in my spelling .

I am just a guy from the Netherlands, that is following it since. I thought I might be a good one because
i think the most of you don't have a residence  here in the Netherlands.

I have a file with all stuff that I copy and past the last few years. here in Holland everyone thinks that I'm weird and strange
but I'm not. Annelies and family where friends, so maybe that is the reason that I want that this has to ends.

Another thing is that Capslock Wizard seems to be someone that is confusing everyone with several speculations, and
I don't have any connections with or of him what so ever in this situation.

I hope that this is not causing any confusions.

DiSetti,


The Jury is Out.

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Some have escaped the building...and are picketing outside on the sidewalk.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)     (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)      (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)      (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)     (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)    (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)       (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)        (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)    (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)        (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)   (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)  (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)     (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)  (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)      (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)    (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)  (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)    (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)       (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/3449546834_0795dce5ea_t.jpg)   


Good luck. 

You're going to need it.

TM, Lifesong...
With adobe pdf you can save the file as text, then cut and paste the text into a translator.... ::MonkeyWink::

wreck wrote:
Is it just me -- or does anyone else get the hinky feeling that the Persistence Crew, the "Pond Searchers", et al actually enjoyed the movie coming out and taking the focus off them?!?
--------

Never fear my friend - that will never happen!

Here is a re-post of one I made last Friday that got lost in the excitement of the Movie airing.

This COULD be the result of what the Persistence was doing in Aruba.

Remember - LEAK said Jug knew the Persistence's main purpose was oil related:


Let the Drilling Offshore Aruba Commence!



 Dynamic Positioning Jobs in Aruba  
 
 
 
Here are the Dynamic Positioning in Aruba . You can either use the table at the middle of the page, or you can narrow your search even more, by clicking on the subcategories listed below.
 
Job Description:

# Must have experience onboard DSV or Barges
# Must speak good English
# Experience required: 1 year for JDPO, 4 years for SDPO 
 
Job Type: Contract
Job Start Date: ASAP 
Minimum Experience: 1 years
Wanted Expertise:  Marine (Diving/ROV) - Dynamic Positioning
Marine (Ship) - Dynamic Positioning
 
Working Language: English
Location: Offshore, International
Salary: Negotiable
Job Advertised on: 31 Mar 2009
Job Advertisement Expires on: 30 Jun 2009 
Company Reference:
 
Oil Offshore Marine Reference:
 19116
Work Permit Requirements:  Any 
***************

Job Description:

Rotation: 28 / 28

Contract: 24 months

Project start: April-May 09  
 
Job Type: Contract
Job Start Date: ASAP 
Minimum Experience: 6 years
Wanted Expertise:  Marine (Ship) - Dynamic Positioning
Marine (Diving/ROV) - Dynamic Positioning
 
Working Language: English United States
Location: Gulf of Mexico, International
Salary: Negotiable
Job Advertised on: 25 Feb 2009    
Job Advertisement Expires on: 25 May 2009 
Company Reference:
 
Oil Offshore Marine Reference:
 19055
Work Permit Requirements:  United States 


http://www.oil-offshore-marine.com/directory/country/aruba/marinedivingrov/dynamicpositioning ----------
Petroleum Jobs in Aruba   


Petroleum Engineers - Oil Offshore Marine Client  2 openings, phone interviews are set for April 27th.

Please apply with your updated cv's, including phone numbers and email addresses. Excellent expat package provided. Client will pay for all relocation costs.

Location: International, International
Job Type: Contract
Salary: To Be Completed - To Be Arranged/Announced 
http://www.oil-offshore-marine.com/directory/country/aruba/engineering/petroleum --------


 
Job Type: Contract
Job Start Date: ASAP 
Minimum Experience: 8 years
Wanted Expertise:  Engineering - Petroleum
 
Working Language: English
Location: International, International
Salary: To Be Completed - To Be Arranged/Announced
Job Advertised on: 14 Apr 2009  
Job Advertisement Expires on: 14 Jul 2009 
Company Reference:
 
Oil Offshore Marine Reference:
 19127
Work Permit Requirements:  Any 
                       
 
http://www.oil-offshore-marine.com/show_job.php?id=19127
---------------------

Petroleum engineering  is an engineering discipline concerned with the subsurface activities related to the production of hydrocarbons, which can be either crude oil or natural gas. These activities are deemed to fall within the upstream sector of the oil and gas industry, which are the activities of finding and producing hydrocarbons. (Refining and distribution to a market are referred to as the downstream sector.) Exploration, by earth scientists, and petroleum engineering are the oil and gas industry's two main subsurface disciplines, which focus on maximizing economic recovery of hydrocarbons from subsurface reservoirs. Petroleum geology and geophysics focus on provision of a static description of the hydrocarbon reservoir rock, while petroleum engineering focuses on estimation of the recoverable volume of this resource using a detailed understanding of the physical behavior of oil, water and gas within porous rock at very high pressure.

The combined efforts of explorationists and petroleum engineers throughout the life of a hydrocarbon accumulation determine the way in which a reservoir is developed and depleted, and usually they have the highest impact on field economics. Petroleum engineering requires a good knowledge of many other related disciplines, such as geophysics, petroleum geology, formation evaluation (well logging), drilling, economics, reservoir simulation, well engineering, artificial lift systems, and oil & gas facilities engineering.
 
Petroleum engineers must implement high technology plans with manpower and high coordination, often in dangerous conditions. The drilling rig crew and machines they use become the remote partner of the petroleum engineer in implementing every drilling program. Understanding and accounting for the issues and communication challenges of building these teams remain just as vital to the petroleum engineer as ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_engineering

----------------------

There is some serious oil work getting ready to begin just offshore Aruba.

Mapping/surveying by the Persistence may have been a precursor for this work.

::MonkeyWaa:: TM..It was a photo...so I can't get text either.... ::MonkeyWaa::

because i was reading here for a long time.

i found this out by myself

 # shango.! ==> KARIN JANSSEN Dutch Prosecutor

and something else

M.I.A? SATISH KALPOE WANTED BY AMERICAN CITIZENS
FOR QUESTIONING
Again I ask:
Where is Satish Kalpoe? Why is it that he's never been mentioned and
the public has never heard from him? Not a peep. I wonder if he's
trying to stay out of the limelight because he's weak and might crack.
It's obvious that Joran and Deepak don't have a problem with handling
the media, police and interrogations considering their sociopathic
demeanor and

I think I figure it out. I transformed the letters a bit.
The letters stand for;
*HE IS AT LA OK
*
The 2 missing letter are KP and this stand for a hill or mountain.


But still.. im not sure...

well this is not a runaway jury. but i know that i confused some people here. my bad.

DiSetti,

Maybe if Cageman comes in here and confirms he knows you....the suspicions may diminish. 

My mistake, here.  You mentioned Annelies, not Marlies.  I need another cup of coffee, I guess. 

I think we have to ask for a confirmation to Klaasend. Because I send Klaasend the message that Joran is in NL Breda
before it was on the news. but still i am here without any bad intension's

Klaasend did post something yesterday.  If you have read here, you know that it is not my nature to interrogate new posters and make them feel uncomfortable.  As another member would say, keep posting so that we can get to know you better. 

Can you elaborate a little more about your question about Satish?

no hard feelings.

Posted by GBMW at BFN:
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9224.msg414752#new

well about satish i only know that he know more then we think.
here on SM there is also a letter of a family member that is coming out just for some attention I think.

But what do we know about him that we can use to allocate joran's father to confess?

well i'm out.
it is 17.00hr here so time for me to go home.

i'll be back tomorrow.

Klaasend if there is something i hear that is useful , i will post you.
i got access from my mobile so...

seey ya

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Jen.

The pieces of the puzzle are fitting together perfectly and ... a picture is emerging.

Janet

Thanks DiSetti!

This is what I posted yesterday.....adding there is nothing to make me believe DiSetti and Capslock are the same person.

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 through
« Reply #693 on: September 25, 2008, 07:18:51 PM »

The Togga man with the Ingrown nail is Mr Jorg. himself.  He was walking with the cain and flow with caren jansen on surinam Airways on personal business. Then he left to holland and bad mouting the government but he himself is in the pleasure game. The report was just another smoke screen to gain opportunity to remove the other left behind from the limelight. This is sold info from good source in the Bar department.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg470904;topicseen#msg470904

Hey DiSetti, je bent dus ook Nederlander of woont in Nederland?
Can you answer in Dutch please? I know Caps almost doesn`t speak Dutch ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks and Welcome!

OT

Janet,

FYI, I just checked the Time setting in my profile.  The forum time is equivalent to Central time, 1 hour behind Eastern Time, here.  My setting is set for +1 to show the correct time here. 

Any member who lives across the pond would have to modify their Time setting.  In other words, Bastibro, Johan555 & DiSetti have not, therefore, their time is set to the default forum time.

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 -
« Reply #941 on: Today at 12:46:05 AM »

I believe this misinformation group posting under the nic CapsLockWizard is privy to much encompassing those who play a role in the Natalee Holloway case.

To gain our confidence that he/she is on our side ... DiSetti will provide the truth regarding Joran and his purpose in the Netherlands as well as agree with our thought process encompsing the issue.  This Dutch poster anticipates that we will OOH and AAW over him  and ... then blindly acknowledge and follow him/her as the messenger of light.  However ... in actuality ... he/she will be leading us into the darkness ... away from the truth and ... back to the pond.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg779795#msg779795


DiSetti
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 -
« Reply #859 on: April 22, 2009, 01:27:49 PM »

indeed i don't know if it end as it should. but why now?? why after a small year since Thailand, back in NL?
does he need to proof something that we allready know or knew about him????

but dave, Natalee dad's, does he really went even under the mud? Sonar doesn't pick up things under the mud i think.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778651#msg778651

Yep, Alabama time. Dutch time minus 7 hours.

Good Morning 2NJ

I am not getting the point.

Janet

Wouldn't it be plus 7?   

I posted that DiSetti's time setting was the same as Cap's, yesterday, and you thought it was 'huge'.  My point was to share the info, since I was enlightened.  One cannot assume based on the current settings.

You could be right 2NJSonsMom, depends on how ya look at it ::MonkeyCool::

I was looking at it from my time zone, and I guess you were explaining AL time from yours.     ::MonkeyCool::   

DISETTI

DiSetti
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 -
« Reply #859 on: April 22, 2009, 01:27:49 PM »

indeed i don't know if it end as it should. but why now?? why after a small year since Thailand, back in NL?

does he need to proof something that we allready know or knew about him????

but dave, Natalee dad's, does he really went even under the mud? Sonar doesn't pick up things under the mud i think.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778651#msg778651


CAPSLOCKWIZARD

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #784 12/8/08 -
« Reply #925 on: December 13, 2008, 06:18:09 AM »

The dutch has spoken allready.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4227.msg580535;topicseen#msg580535


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #130 on: April 16, 2008, 03:58:11 AM »

USA allready arrested Miakito Farro who is accused of money laundring in the Labroratory of the government.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg374282;topicseen#msg374282


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #1504 on: April 07, 2008, 02:03:47 PM »

Shango point me to it and it is here were I left last night.

under reasech. I got allready the PM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg371821#msg371821


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #608 on: March 01, 2008, 05:21:49 PM »

There is allready for a long time a working realtion in place between Aruba and Holland it is called the RST group

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358491;topicseen#msg358491


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2377 on: February 20, 2008, 06:48:49 AM »

Are insects conned into entering Venus Flytraps?
I have posted something abouth this allready

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg353266;topicseen#msg353266


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #719 2/02
« Reply #198 on: February 02, 2008, 10:31:46 PM »

Wel if what he is saying is that the current investigation is about this two lunatic than we know allready where this is going.... no where... That is why there is no arrest.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2564.msg337365;topicseen#msg337365


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 -
« Reply #495 on: February 02, 2008, 04:42:41 AM »

It is allready so, Wait when he open the gates of info...The server overload.. The network bumper to bumper of packets waiting to get a peek of whats going on....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336617;topicseen#msg336617


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #717 1/31 - 2/01/08
« Reply #912 on: February 01, 2008, 07:27:22 PM »

They play the MASTER KEY Card once allready and it is still valid... The MASTER KEY card can be used Again even if he confess,

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2560.msg335995;topicseen#msg335995


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 -
« Reply #731 on: January 31, 2008, 06:30:02 PM »

Magi Magic...So you must know everything allready. to setup a long broadcast.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2548.msg334776;topicseen#msg334776

DISETTI

DiSetti
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 -
« Reply #855 on: April 22, 2009, 01:02:25 PM »

Also he is a pathologic lier.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778603#msg778603


CAPSLOCKWIZARD

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #720 2/3 -
« Reply #557 on: February 03, 2008, 09:41:31 PM »

Dave is now the Key to prove this lier wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2567.msg338792;topicseen#msg338792

Janet....thank you.  I am "allready" convinced.

Good Morning Monkeys....I am not ready to go down this path again....ever.  I know I am
skeptical of "drop-ins"....so, if I have to eat these words later, I will....but, for now, I am
just scrolling..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

YW Janet

Yes they are fitting together quite nicely, aren't they?

Still doing more research on this, more has emerged, and will get back soon.....

SENTENCES BEGINNING IN LOWER CASE

DISETTI

DiSetti
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 -
« Reply #859 on: April 22, 2009, 01:27:49 PM »

indeed i don't know if it end as it should. but why now?? why after a small year since Thailand, back in NL?
does he need to proof something that we allready know or knew about him????

but dave, Natalee dad's, does he really went even under the mud? Sonar doesn't pick up things under the mud i think.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778651#msg778651


CAPSLOCKWIZARD

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through
« Reply #829 on: September 19, 2008, 06:50:24 AM »

at the edge of the pond it is soggy and Muddy,
your feet will start sinking at the moment you start getting in

the mud will stick around your shoes and by this acction will create a sucction oround the sneaker that if it is not secured well, at the momeny you want to move one feet, the shoe stay behind in the mud and you can not find it anymore becuase the water is murky and it is at night.

in day time you will not see it either because the murky black water.

the shoes can only be retrieved when the pond has dried and that is what they did.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.msg460910#msg460910


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through
« Reply #824 on: September 19, 2008, 06:38:33 AM »

On the night in question, the equipment was there and setup. Now is joran wanted to use any of the mention places to make a movie, there are 3 but some other question invalided 2 of the places and leave only one place.

and that has to do with the Kalpoes access to the apartment.

his place could have been use but I will not tried to use my own place for that practice and then you do not need to call the kalpoes in for questioning.

they could have just say they drop him at home. and that leave Joran with natalee ay home with the camera man and others that are part of the gang.

but doing it away from your house where your friend has a set of sleezey apartment is more convienent and since it is run by my friend father, I can do almost anything.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.msg460887#msg460887

DiSetti... were you just trying to unscramble the letters in someone's name to make other words?  Really?

 
::MonkeyConfused::



I'm ready to resume my seat on the jury.
 

This isn't some fun puzzle to play around with. 


Natalee never came home.




I do know of a great forum where they would love you!  You could be a hero and people will even call you on the phone and everything!

2NJSons_Mom
Global Moderator
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 -
« Reply #905 on: April 22, 2009, 09:22:01 PM »

Not that it means anything, but Caps & DiSetti have the same time zone setting in their profile

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg779365#msg779365

Lifesong,  priceless.

Yesterday I was going to post a response of "Caps, is that you?".

Today I wanted to post "Joran is that you?".

If you read my response to your 'I don't get the point' post, it's explained.   

If I take the +1 out of my profile, mine would be the same as theirs. 

I am not arguing your stance.  Just stating a fact.

You're right - this is not a game, and I'm not playing.

Isn't there an area here somewhere for Codetalkers?  Maybe this poster would get more of a response if he/she posted in there instead?

Lifesong ... you are right ... this is not a game.  Natalee Holloway's parents have been on a quest for answers for almost four year in regards to the disappearance of their daughter on Aruban soil and ... have met with ongoing road blocks.

If those who claim to be in the know and want the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 to be revealed ... contact the FBI and spit it out in plain English.

Janet

Jen and Lifesong and Any Other Interested Monkeys

Checkout this article I justed posted in the Oil and Gas Pipeline Thread

 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4838.0

 ::MonkeyCool::

AMEN......We have had Enough Distractions!

I read that....amazing find, hotping. 

I stickied the thread to make it easier to find.

Thanks hotping.

I am now reading articles pertaining to this topic with a greater understanding of the implications.  I have to concede that there was a time these posts were all "Dutch" to me.

It all goes to show that an old dog can learn new tricks.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

EDIT

posters s/b posts

Thanks

Janet


Done.

Thanks 2NJ..... I have limited time today for research but I will do My Darndest to find out what is going on.... Offshore in Aruba.... ::MonkeyWink::

  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks 2NJ.

I promise never to bother you, Klaas or the other mods again in regards to editing or deleting my posts.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

jury is not needed. the name is correspondin his ip. the place that i figure out was just a mather of time. i mail allot to and with kees van der spek. he knows. and as i said i post to klaasend if nessesary when im not here. i also don't believe joran go's to the instutution in den dolder nl. i think that a quest reader is a (close) friend of joran, so this potencial friend can keep track. note that im only here to help and keep you guys informed of any actions here in nl. and that i am  a friend of kouwe family. im back tomorrow.

jury is not needed. the name is correspondin his ip. the place that i figure out was just a mather of time. i mail allot to and with kees van der spek. he knows. and as i said i post to klaasend if nessesary when im not here. i also don't believe joran go's to the instutution in den dolder nl. i think that a quest reader is a (close) friend of joran, so this potencial friend can keep track. note that im only here to help and keep you guys informed of any actions here in nl. and that i am  a friend of kouwe family. im back tomorrow.

TRUST IS EARNED,NOT GIVEN... ::MonkeyWink::

 

:gaah:



 ::MonkeyEek::


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 





                                    == = ^===^= == = == =^===^= == = == =^===^= ==


                                    == = ^===^= == = == =^===^= == = == =^===^= ==





                                                   ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::
                                                           Do The Hinky!

44 PAGES TO GO.... ::cartwheel::

THE BRAINS

DISETTI

DiSetti
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 -
« Reply #849 on: April 22, 2009, 12:18:58 PM »

what I think is that Paul is the brain here.  and using his own son. 2 sociopaths disorder persons.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778542#msg778542


CAPSLOCKWIZARD

CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2939 on: February 29, 2008, 03:57:50 PM »

The wife called the polis and he went to jail. The wife wanted to punish Alex for what he did but she did forgot that it was Alex who was the brain behind the secure operation of the club.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg357468;topicseen#msg357468

When posting ... consistency with grammatical errors ... punctuation errors ... spelling errors and ... writing style ... is very important when attempting to deceive.  In other words ... a very good memory is required.

Janet

++++++

Magnolia ... I have missed ya.  AZSunny has also been scarce.

Are the two of you sipping AZSunny's sweet tea spiked with your  blueberry wine?  Do you laugh and laugh and laugh while sharing stories.

I feel so left out.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

ALOT ... ALLOT ... A LOT

DISETTI

DiSetti
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 -
« Reply #851 on: April 22, 2009, 12:34:42 PM »

Peter R de Vries...??? Well I informed them that he is in NL, they know allot I think but they are on a undercover job.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778561#msg778561


CAPSLOCKWIZARD

CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1786 on: February 11, 2008, 08:44:38 PM »

Hello Monkeys.

Alot have been descovert from Shango and Simian.

To understand what has happend on that they, you have to work with both authors side by side.

The shango Author left alot of his clues in poems and Music, Clues of a mystery that delves into the hidden worlds of the Freemasons and other secret societies.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg347481;topicseen#msg347481

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #738 3/1 -
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2008, 03:29:51 AM »

Search the news on Panter boat. Remember who was on board of the search boat...DUTCH OM and ALE.

The Health man that travel alot to venezuela knows.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2664.msg358932;topicseen#msg358932

Hey Janet,
Thought I was all over the stomach flu and it came again in spades.  Been too sick to type.
I am better today.

Magnolia

I am thankful you are feeling better.  Take it easy.  Do not chance another relapse.

Maybe AZSunny's sweet tea is where it is at.

Janet

Magnolia,
I am glad to see you are feeling better.  Yesterday I was wondering if maybe you had to go to the hospital but didn't want to say it.

Potato soup is the first thing I can eat when I have been sick.  Much better than chicken which is too greasy, etc.  Potato soup and jello will stay down when not much else will.

MAGNOLIA IS BETTER..... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

A REMINDER


JAN VANDER STRAATEN - A MAJOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST


1. ACCORDING TO RUDY CROES

‘Dutch News’

Van der Sloot father hindered Natalee probe’
Thursday 04 December 2008

Dutchman Jan van der Straten, who was police commissioner on the Caribbean island of Aruba when US teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, seriously hindered the investigation in the first few days, Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes is quoted as saying by news agency ANP.

ANP says Croes claims Van der Straten was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran, who was suspected of being involved in the disappearance. Such rumours have circulated on the island for some time, ANP says.

According to ANP, Croes made the statement following criticism of the Aruban police force made by Van der Straten earlier this week.

Questioning

Croes said that Joran and two other suspects were only taken in for questioning 10 days after Holloway went missing ‘when the first days are crucial in a disappearance’. And he claims he heard Van der Straten say ‘I cannot do that to my friend Paul’.

Croes also claims there were a lot of telephone conversations between Van der Sloot senior and Van der Straten and that a ‘second class’ police team was put on the investigation. ‘It was the team used during the carnival celebrations,’ ANP reports him as saying.

In addition, Croes accuses the Dutch government of failing to provide any moral support to Aruba. He says the Aruban authorities were pressurised to present Joran van der Sloot as an Aruban, not a Dutch national.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/van_der_sloots_father_hindered.php


On the Record w/ Greta
Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement/
Friday, December 05, 2008

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY: There’s  incredible news out of Aruba and the Netherlands today. And I don't know if you're aware of it. The minister of justice, Rudy Croes, has now come out and publicly said that the police chief at the time in Aruba when Natalee Holloway disappeared, Jan van der Straaten, was clearly complicit with Paulus van der Sloot in covering up for Joran in the initial days after Natalee's disappearance. He's calling for a whole new investigation, and he's basically, by stating that, corroborating what Joran told you in talking to you.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Well, I'm delighted that the minister of justice is finally doing that. But any clue why he waited three-and-a-half years, when the trail is really cold?

KELLY: Well, it's remarkable. None of this is about Natalee and a missing young women, and you know, parents without child. It's a bunch of ego stuff right now. It's Van der Straaten apparently criticized the police investigators, his own investigators, this week. Rudy Croes in turn then came out and said, “What's Van der Straaten talking about?” He's the one that covered up with Paulus van der Sloot. We have a whole trail of phone calls between Van der Straaten and Van der Sloot in terms of what happened in the days after Natalee's disappearance.

VAN SUSTEREN: Finally, maybe, the Aruban Justice Minister is talking. It has been three and a half years. Joining by phone from Aruba is Jossy Mansur, publisher and managing editor of Diario Newspaper.
Jossy, what did the justice minister say, and does it have any impact whatsoever in Aruba?

JOSSY MANSUR, DIARIO NEWSPAPER IN ARUBA: He is saying a lot of important things that have a lot of impact in Aruba. He has openly and publicly accused the ex-chief of police that he refused to arrest Joran van der Sloot because he was the son of his best friend, Paulus.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


2.  ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY

'Scarborough Country'

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Now, we have a lead investigator, Gerald Dompig, who is coming up—coming out and saying that these three young men are the perpetrators.
 
Initially, van der Straaten was placed on as lead investigator as early as May 31, June 1, 2, 3, 4. And around the 5, van der Straaten was removed from from Natalee‘s case by the prime minister. And Dompig was placed as lead investigator, and we were—we welcomed that. We welcomed that, because of the connection that Paul van der Sloot and van der Straaten had. They had a—they‘re very good friends, very, very close.

And then, suddenly, within a few days, he was off. And van der Straaten was back on board.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


3.  ACCORDING TO PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

NOVA
June 28, 2005

TWAN HUYS:  Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

HUYS: So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Mrs. Croes.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

VAN DER SLOOT That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Just you and me bastibro.

I can see it know.  We will be the topic of discussion on all the forums.

I better go.

Janet

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

The Aruban people turned against Beth Holloway when she dared to refer to the main suspects as criminals ... the main suspects who lied to authorities in regards their last moments with her precious daughter as criminals
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THE SPEECH

'CNN Live Today' - July 5, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel.
 
I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime.

It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html


THE RESPONSE

LOVING NATALEE - Beth Holloway

Page 157/158 ...No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.

Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.

'MSNBC' - July 6, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A latent but growing resentment here became evident for the first time when more than 200 people, some wrapped in Aruban flags, said they were incensed by statements made by the mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8484217


'Scarborough Country' - July. 7, 2005

JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT: What did Natalee’s mother say that offended so many people in Aruba?

MERRYWEATHER: Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/


THE APOLOGY

'CNN' - July 8, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter’s disappearance.

“The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is,” Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. “I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that.”

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/missing.aruba/index.html

THE HOLIDAY INN DROP OFF – THE INITIAL LIE

Why would Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe have related the Holiday Inn drop off account to authorities unless they were certain that Natalee Holloway was deceased?

Think about it.  Logic dictates that these three main suspects would not have lied and chanced that Natalee would suddenly turn up and dispute their version of events.

Can Beth Holloway be faulted for referring to the main suspects as criminals?

++++++++

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

The Hotel Drop Off
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel.  At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away. I saw that she then walked in the direction of the "lobby"of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I had not seen anyone in the "lobby".  My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard.  After that we drove away. I had not seen if the girl entered the lobby. The only thing I had seen was that the girl was leaning at a cemented pilar at the entrance.

The Hotel Drop Off
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

We drove back to the Holiday Inn Hotel to drop Natalee off there. When we arrived there Deepak parked on the left lane and not on the right lane that lies in front of the Lobby. Natalee got out the back door on the right side and she fell to the floor. I got out of the same car door and helped her get up. After I did that Natalee said to me not to touch her and she walked into the direction/towards the lobby. I saw that she touched a pillar. We did not kiss and I got back into the car. Then we drove home. Later, when we just found out she had gone missing Deepak and Satish told me that they had seen a guard dressed in black when we were driving off. According to them the guard also had a walkie talkie in his hands. Deepak and Satish said that the guard walked towards/in the direction of Natalee.

The Beach Drop Off
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

When Natalee and myself were dropped off at the Marriot Hotel by Satish and Deepak it was approximately 01.50 am. After we were dropped off Natalee and myself walked to the beach in front of the Marriot Hotel ...

At about 03.30 am Deepak came to Fisherman's Huts to pick me up. When I was sitting in the car I told Deepak that the girl was laying on the beach and that she was being annoying/irritating because she didn't want to go back to her hotel ...

I was dropped off at my house by Deepak on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.45.
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DEEPAK KALPOE

The Hotel Drop Off
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

I drove hereafter in the direction of the Holiday Inn and parked my car at the second column at the hotel. (?)  I heard  the car door open and turned around to see who got out.  I saw the girl got out and fell on the ground.  Joran also got out of the car and tried to help the girl stand up I saw that Joran held the girl at her shoulders and started to walk in the direction of the lobby. I saw that the girl turned to Joran and pushed him away.  I saw that Joran turned around and came back to my car.  I saw that the girl was headed to the inside of the lobby, then I started to drive away.  The last thing I saw was the girl walk up to a large dark man, who was wearing a black t-shirt and carried a “walkie talkie” in his hands. Joran told me also that the guard had taken over the girl and that we could drive away.

The Beach Drop Off
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

After that I brought my car to a full stop. Joran got out first and then the girl. He said: Fine, I will see you tomorrow. I asked him how he would get home. He said that he would find a way to get home. I said, and the girl. He answered, I will drop her off at the “Holiday Inn Hotel”, we will walk along the beach and it is very close by. I had asked him, sure. He answered yes, I will see you tomorrow. I do remember that I saw them walking off hand in hand.

I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and proceeded driving into the direction of my house.
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SATISH KALPOE

The Hotel Drop Off
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

Around 01.45, we arrived at the Holiday Inn hotel. My brother parked his car at north of the two entryways which are parallel to the lobby of the hotel. The girl stepped out of the car and she fell on the ground because she was very drunk. I saw that Joran got out of the car to help the girl. I saw that he held her under her armpits so that she could stand. After the girl was standing, she pushed Joran. I heard the girl say in a very angry tone to Joran in English:  I can stand on my own. (I can only stand up; observation JACOBS) I saw that the girl walked in the direction of the hotel lobby. Before the girl got to the lobby Deepak drove away by means of the second entryway. While driving away I saw that a dark skinned guard who was dressed in black went to the girl and started to talk. I saw also that the guard had a walkie talkie in his hands.

The Beach Drop Off
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

My brother then brought the car to a full stop. My brother asked Joran how he was going to get home. Joran answered that he would find a way to get home. My brother asked Joran if he was sure he would find another way to get home. Joran said that he was sure that he would find a way to get home. At that moment it was approximately 01.45 hours on May 30th 2005. The girl and Joran then got out of the car. Joran and the girl walked towards the beach …

After that we drove towards our house.

LOL It`s better they talk about you that they eat from you Janet ::MonkeyHaHa::

- edit -

I notice that DiSetti from the Netherlands neglected to respond in Dutch.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

He could've at least made an effort and used the Google translator.

Yep, I was waiting for him to appear and then bump the post.
He could have used google translator, that`s Dutch for beginners  ::MonkeyWink::

Wakarimansen bastibro San!



 

Zeg Janet, nu moet je niet vervelend gaan doen anders ben ik genoodzaakt om je een flink pak op je broek te geven ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

bastibro!!!

I'm telling.

KLAAAAAS!!

Hello DiSetti. I read you know the kouwe family. Maybe you mean the Van der Kouwe family. I happen to be a Van der Kouwe, actually the father of Marlies. Do I have the honour to have met you before, or know you otherwise?

Thank you, Cageman.       ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Cageman.

Janet

Thanks.  These games are not fun anymore or amusing.  I hope you and your family are doing well.

Janet ,If you gave SM  a dollar everytime you said that we could all come over for lunch. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

The cryptic messages ... the riddles ... are nothing but distractions intented to focus attention away from the truth ... the truth about Kyle Kingman's own words in regards to happenings encompassing the contents of the trap ... the trap discovered in Aruban waters by the Persistence undertaking.

Janet

A REMINDER

2008

THE RECOVERY DIVE

On January 7, 2008 Aruban divers sampled and recovered the contents of the large fish trap disovered with sonar on the ocean floor off the coast of Aruba on Christmas Day, 2007 by the ROV operator and remote analyst on board the Persistence.

The crew of the Persistence were not involved in the recovery process ... only the Arubans.

________


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Blonde ... I want to take you out for dinner.  We could share precious  memories of each our precious mothers.

Hugs

Janet

Very disappointing when they don't even bother to put up a good appearance.  Could also email and ask for response as some monkeys used to do.

I will never forget the day one of them suddenly forgot how to spell Anna and started spelling it Ana only for a day, lol!

We have game threads for those who like to play games.  There is no game when a human being is missing and has likely met with foul play.  I know this has been a issue from time to time on this forum but we are not here to play games or have fun but to discuss the loss of a human being.

My patience for codes, riddles and such is totally gone now having been totally depleted with the hoax of the pond.

If a mod will change the word "deleted" to "depleted" in my last post, I promise never to ask for another edit ever in my life.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

And I just know when I reach the 15K post mark I will get my own edit button, just know it.  Just have to. 

 ::MonkeyDance::

JAN VANDER STRAATEN - THE COVER UP

Did Jan vander Straaten not anticipate that Natalee Holloway's mother and Stepfather would be privy to Joran van der Sloot's suspect  statements?  Could that be the reason he denied Joran's incriminating  words?

+++++++++

'Nancy Grace' - October 4, 2005

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, MISSING GIRL`S STEPFATHER:: Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 148:  Now it's my turn.  I have no intention of matching her (Anita van der Sloot) good-boy remarks with good-girl comments.  And cut to the chase.  Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10 and 13.  The vile account that was read to me in the attorney general's office.  The sexually explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natalee.  Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used.  Where he said he put them.  How their son described my daughter's pubic area, her underwear.  How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up.  I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened.  Little bead of sweat form across Paulus' brow and forehead.
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Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

I had fingered Natalee. With my fingers I pushed Natalee's panty to the side and fingered her with two fingers. According to me she was shaved because I did not feel any hair. I first stuck my middle finger inside and then I put my index finger inside. While I was doing this Natalee and I kept kissing. I fingered Natalee for about one to two minutes and then pulled my hand out of her panty and placed my hand on her hip ...
 
To your question as to what panty Natalee was wearing, I answer you the following. Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers.

LOGIC DICTATES   ::MonkeyWink::

Dream on Anna.  It is not going to happen.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Nevertheless ...

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Janet

 ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55621.php

Google translation:

Suspect IASA officials transferred
23 Apr, 2009, 15:13 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Instituto i Alarma Seguridad Aruba (IASA) was aware of officials within the organization who were suspected of criminal offenses. Thus, the border guard in an open letter. Iasa relevant employees would then have transferred or non-actively put. The supervisor says nothing to hide and welcomes the Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) announced investigation by Transparency International again.

The letter of IASA is a reaction to the announcement of Bijleveld that an investigation into corruption in the islands is planned and implemented by the organization Transparency International. IASA also respond to the letter from Acting PG Nico Jörg, who Amigoe was recently held, which states that IASA and Dimas would deal with smuggling and trafficking. Jörg was in his article with the allegation that the Venezuelan helicopter pilots of the Guarda Costa Nos would play doubles. Similarly, when working walradar officials of the IASA contra strategies to facilitate entry to smuggle aliens and would IASA members of the immigration service distorts permits. Iasa rejects these allegations as "gossip." The government agency requires it: "Several suspected cases were submitted to the FOR for further research. Thanks to the efforts of the IASA was further criminal (civil) action should be avoided. "


Military
The management of IASA suspect the Dutch government of the immigration chain on Aruba by the Royal Military Police would be taking over. During the judicial consultation between the Antilles, Aruba and the Netherlands is agreed that a border police should be working. The policy for the BES islands, according IASA is clear that the Netherlands is ready to include the entire chain to foreigners in the Dutch Antilles and Aruba. "Aruba is the only island where the Kmar has not yet been posted. The IASA has its own professional organization. The Kmar for Aruba is not necessary. "

Private army
Iasa concludes that the ideal of the Aruban autonomy are 'buried' support. "The Minister of Justice of Aruba has done everything the Aruban autonomy safeguarded. Now appears in vain. The IASA is the Netherlands, misidentified as the private army of the Minister of Justice and should therefore be wound up. The border guard but welcomes the investigation to Transparency International. "The leadership of the IASA is convinced that the conclusions of the committee will be that IASA is an organization with integrity."

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55615.php

Google translation:

Aruba
'Never get lost'
23 Apr, 2009, 14:59 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - ArubaBestpages.com preparing for the launch of the site, arriving Monday. It is a website that will ensure that no one gets lost in Aruba, according to the authors. "Many residents and tourists complain that they can not find an address because the house numbering is not in logical order and signs are missing."

The website provides contact information, business information, web links and folder locations of specific addresses and businesses. And businesses can also use the medium for their services or products to advertise. The website is in English, Dutch and Papiamento and soon also available in Spanish. In this way ArubaBestPages.com to start social networking. This page will link to profiles of, among others, Facebook, Hyves, MySpace, Linkedln and Youtube.

FYI - if anyone happens to be reading over that SM, the IP that Carnut posted as one that "hacked" into GM is not used by anyone at SM in the forum or on the front page, I checked.   ::MonkeyCool::

AN ARUBAN COVERUP?

Could there have been an Aruban agenda in the Natalee Holloway investigation from the getgo ... an Aruban agenda to protect their own ... an Aruban agenda to prevent justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen.

+++++++ 

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 97/98:  The tapes play out.  The night passes, and Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her.  She never came back.  She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me.  She got into Deepak's car at Carlos 'n Charlies's, but they didn't bring her here like they said they did.  And I surmise that this must be why Paulus is telling people, like the headmaster, that the out-side hotel cameras are broken.  So no one would find out the truth.

There is silence in the little crowed room.  Eventually the quiet is broken as police officers and detectives who witness the same evidence we do in the wee hours of Thursday morning begin to speak very softly, almost whispering to one another in Dutch and Papiamento.  I don't know what they're saying but they are very subdued.

They all see for themselves that Joran, Deepak and Satish never brought Natalee back to the Holiday Inn.  Those three made everything up, from how they took her to the lighthouse to see sharks to how they left her at the hotel.  Joran isn't a tourist, and he isn't staying at the Holiday Inn.  He isn't nineteen years old, as he told Natalee's friends.  He's seventeen.  It's all lies.  All of it.  The dialog between Natalee and Joran, the places they went, how they got home -- concocted.  And for what reason?  Surely to cover the truth about what has really happened to Natalee.  They know.  And now we all know they lied.  But what they don't know is that I'm willing to wait out all their lies to get to the truth.  I have the rest of my life to find out what has happened to Natalee.


'Rita Cosby' - Dec. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one ...

Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

just a thought

..............IT WAS FREDDY...............

DT: Jossy says: Freddy arrested on charges of taking and selling pictures of young naked girls. He was questioned initially in the NH case
He was questioned in the beginning in regards to the Natalee case
Do you have any info as to his whereabouts the night Natalee disappeared?
Jossy: I hear his alibi is that he was with Joran

...JORAN WAS WITH NATALEE......???????WTF?????ARE WE BLIND

5:07 pm
AZlady: On the radio said that four new arrests were made, but then I heard it was only three. Anyway, I heard the name of one guy, but I don't know if it's right or not.

FREDDY IS THE 5TH GUY


6:35 pm
klaasend: By the way, I have a pretty good source that tells me this Freddy is in a band that plays at CnC.
...........FREDDY IS A MUSIC MAN

:58 pm
OneSillyMonkey: If Freddy is known to take photos of this group's activities with the girls they drug and rape, and if this indeed was a premeditated murder that Freddy accompliced, there is a photo or video of Natalee somewhere with these boys - I would bet my right arm on that.
FREDDY THE MOVIE MAKER

still digging but the farther i dig the more things point to freddy

JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH - PREVIOUS OFFENCES

Could it be that Julia Renfro ... editor-in-chief of Aruba Today ... be a participant in the misinformation campaign?
++++++

DIANA EMERENCIA - ARUBAN ATTORNEY

Fox News' - September 1, 2005

Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.
 
Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html


JULIA RENFRO - ARUBAN EDITOR

Seattle Times - June 9, 2007

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family

Renfro (Julia) has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.
 
"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html

You fill up my senses like night in the forest....
Like the mountains in springtime...
like a walk in the rain.....

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Too bad John had to die so soon.
Hey speaking of DENVER - isn't there a big space defense company there?

GANG RAPED?

A statement from the Aruban Prosecutor's Office claimed that Deepak and Satish were rearresting in August, 2005 on suspicions of raping Natalee "alternately" with other "persons".

In June, 2007 ... the editor in chief of Aruba Today ... discredits the mother of Natalee Holloway for stating exactly the Aruban Prosecutor confirms.
_______


STATEMENT - THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

CNN - August 27, 2005

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing

(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


JULIA RENFRO - ARUBAN EDITOR

Seattle Times - June 9, 2007

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family

(Julia) Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within hours, Twitty had concluded van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html

Lots of monkeys in musings tonite.  Come with???

http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/3771940/___Geen_animo_voor_Terror_Jaap_en_Joran_van_der_Sloot___.html?p=1,1

Translated version:

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'Fairground attraction'.....anyone else hearing that circus song?  dut dut dadadada (something like that)    ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks, texasmom, for all of the news you bring to us.

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GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

I am rounding up Ducky and little laughing girl and ... splitting.

Tomorrow, Janet
8:45 PM

Hi Ya Monkeys!
I just found out about 2 hours ago that My Oldest Son and Wife and My 5 Yr Old Grandson are coming for the weekend and will be here tomorrow afternoon....So needless to say I'm trying to finish up some things around here before They get here.....that way when They get here I'll have plenty of time for nothing but Them....  ::MonkeyWink:: I'll check in periodically to see what is happening......  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night Janet!  ::MonkeyCool::

I hear it 2NJ and I might say I don't like it.....  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::cartwheel::

Kermit...I'm  ::MonkeyConfused:: Could You please come back and tell Me more so that I can try to figure out what You are meaning...Please! 

Could it be he is back in NL more to do with the status of his Thai visa ?
I did look this up and my DD had said something to me about it as she was in Thailand twice now and all around there. Can't just go and stay forever.
Plus, there is a terrific amount of political turmoil there at the present time.

Good for you Hotping!  I know you'll have a great weekend visiting with them!  ::MonkeyDance::

We should call him Caps ... Shango ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Enjoy those those grandkids hotping.

Janet

Could very well be Kat_Gram.  Maybe he's looking for a way to pay for the travels too?

Sounds about par for the course.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet,

Are you looking for someone?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

We are having a festival here this weekend and My Grandson will enter the fishing contest....I can't wait to watch Him (no help allowed from Parents or Grandparents).  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Kermit is being Mysterious.......  ::MonkeyWaa:: But I don't think its intentional or maybe it is...  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes I Will!  ::cartwheel::

Hotping,

If you didn't know....The post about "Denver" has to do with the IP address that supposedly hacked into the GM site.  I think it's posted over in musings.

Thank You TM....I thought Kermit was trying to hint about something entirely different.....Oh Well....I Guess I'm more tired than I thought!  ::MonkeyWink::


Good Night Monkeys!

Have a Great Weekend!

Justice for Natalee!

GoodNight HotPing....... ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::

Hi all,

I posted this last night to  Klaasend. But now I thinking it is the best for me to do it by myself isn't?

"hi how are you. i am so sorry that i started all that commotion to all on sm. please know that this wasn't my intention at all.
could you please post this to them for me? also would you please tell to cageman that i knew here for just more then a month. and that i knew her true other friends from leusden, and the dancing/bar the rumours. it was a nice time. i was crushed,hurt and a bit lost. didn't knew how i had to respond to this kind of situation.

now the forum part;
the last thing that i heard here that jaap and joran went out for diner and a couple of drinks.

please if i tell you that i am not a codetalker, please do believe that.
i am a good person.

thank you in advance.

greets"

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Morning%20Aft%20Evening/coffee/coffee.gif)

Good question, KatGram,

I also wonder if charges will be pressed by the older man whose bank account Joran cleaned out a while back.  Or has Paulus already paid that back for him?

But he may have to have a visa to go back to Thailand.  Maybe they won't grant him one considering his online expose of plans for sending Thai girls to Netherlands, etc.

Thank You Anna and Good Morning!  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning Hotping.

Are you sitting in front of your computer but your thoughts are a thousand miles away from the Natalee Holloway case.  I know you are anticipating the arrival of the your family ... especially those grandkids?

 ::cartwheel::

Have a good day.  Have a good weekend.

Janet

Good Morning, all. ::MonkeyDance::

Good Morning Janet!

I'm just sipping My coffee and hoping it doesn't rain to much....So My Grandson is able to fish in the tournament tomorrow.....I'm only having one Grandson this weekend I saw the other one last weekend at the wedding...

Have A Wonderful Day!

Good morning, everyone.

Hotping, I'm hoping the weather is perfect for your grandson's fishing tournament.  Enjoy.

Good Morning Magnolia! I Hope You are Feeling Much Better!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks and Good Morning 2NJ!  ::MonkeyCool::

I contend that the potential threat of civil lawsuits filed by the family of Natalee Holloway is another aspect of the perceived coverup.

Think about it.  If Joran van der Sloot were to be held accountable as a participant in the happenings that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... considering the chain of events had origins at both the Excelsior Casino and Carlo's 'n Charlies ... establishments that allowed an underage Joran to gamble and drink ...
_______

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos&Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.  It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

Some do not get it!!

It is not the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen under suspicions circumstances on the Island of Aruba that Americans can not let go of after almost four years.  Crime happens everywhere.  Beth Holloway understood this.

It is the perception that conflicts of interest within the Aruban investigation ... prevented justice from prevailing ... justice that Natalee Holloway was intitled to under Dutch law.
 
+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 209/210:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


NANCY GRACE - October 4, 2005

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "EL DIARIO": Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

Magnolia

It certainly was not a 24 hour flu that you and texasmom caught.  It appears that bug has hung around for most of the week.

Take care of yourself and ... have a nice weekend.

Janet

Good Morning Monkeys....... ::MonkeyDance::

Could it be that Aruban authories implicated innocent security guards in an attempt to distance Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers from implication in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Anyways ...  it was all in vain.  Beth Holloway could not be appeased ... her voice could not be silenced.

++++++

THE DETAINMENT OF THE SECURITY GUARDS

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Rita Cosby' - Dec. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one ...

Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

.
Fox News - June 12, 2005
Mom: Three Young Detainees 'Know What Happened' to Missing Teen

Beth Holloway Twitty (search) said Aruban authorities should pressure the young men to reveal what they know about the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway (search).

"All three of those boys know what happened to her," Holloway Twitty said during a 45-minute interview with The Associated Press in her room at the Holiday Inn, the same hotel where her daughter was staying before she disappeared on May 30. "They all know what they did with her that night."

Holloway Twitty, 44, declined to say what she thought the boys had done or whether she thought her daughter was still alive. She also said she thought that two former hotel security guards detained in connection with Holloway's disappearance were innocent and should be released.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159285,00.html

.
NORAINA PIETERSZ - ARUBAN ATTORNEY

Fox News - June 12, 2005
Mom: Three Young Detainees 'Know What Happened' to Missing Teen

Defense lawyers for the former security guards said there wasn't enough evidence to continue holding them.

"This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation," said Noraina Pietersz, the attorney representing Antonius "Mickey" John, 30. John and Abraham Jones, 28, had been detained a week as of Sunday, and have denied any connection to Holloway. "The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don't have."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159285,00.html

"This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation," said Noraina Pietersz

For some it still is a game..LOGIC DICTATES! ::MonkeyCool::

 ::cartwheel::

You bet Keepthefaith.

Hubby and I are off to do some grocery shopping.  YUK!

I offered to make a list and ... he could do it.  No Way!  Hey ... my neighbour's retired hubby likes to do the grocery shopping.

Have a good day.

Later, Janet
9:40 AM

Make sure you get some Froot Loops for those attempting to still play games.. ::MonkeyDance::

A REMINDER

When detentions overlapped ... one of the security guards had a conversation with Deepak Kalpoe and ... the conversation revealed that Paulus van der Sloot was a participant in the collaboration of the Holiday Inn drop off account.

Considering the Holiday Inn drop off account was relayed to Natalee Holloway's Mother and Stepfather on the morning of May 31, 2005 ... the collaboration must have taken place on May 30, 2005 ... the day of the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

Why has a witness statement taken by Aruban Law Enforcement never emerged?

+++++++++

SECURITY GUARD - MICKEY JOHN

'On the Record w/ Greta' - June 29, 2005

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!

MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html

REMINDER

2007

THE OCEAN SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

In mid December of 2007 a crew of Americans on board a vessel named The Persistence begins a search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the waters off Aruba.  On Christmas Day a discovery is made while sonar scanning the ocean floor.  The discovery was a large fish trap.  On December 29th an ROV is ultilized to capture images of what is contained within.

Kyle Kingman, the ROV operator and remote analysis on board the Persistence, came to the conclusion that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed within that trap.

However, on a December 30, 2007, Aruban divers claimed that their investigation revealed there was nothing related to the Natalee Holloway case inside the trap.

John Silvetti, the Project Lead on board the Persistence, accepted the words of the Aruban divers unconditionally.   
______


The Persistence - Key Personnal

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

Kyle Kingman:  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.

Kyle Kingman:  John (Silvetti) is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

REMINDER

2008

THE RECOVERY DIVE

On January 7, 2008 Aruban divers sampled and recovered the contents of the large fish trap disovered with sonar on the ocean floor off the coast of Aruba on Christmas Day, 2007 by the ROV operator and remote analyst on board the Persistence.

The crew of the Persistence were not involved in the recovery process ... only the Arubans.

________


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Oooo... I knew there was something missing this morning! Thanks for reminding me! Gonna go make me a cup of coffee. BRB.

(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/0-0-0-coffeemug.jpg)

Before Paulus uprooted his family from the Netherlands and moved them to Aruba, he was involved in finding legal protections for Dutch politicians who were involved in a pedophile/kiddie porn scandal in the Netherlands. Some very important people were involved. Paulus, in many more ways than one, knows where the bodies are buried.

A REMINDER

In November, 2007, ten Aruban attorneys concluded that the Aruban prosecutor had sufficient evidence to rearrest Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe on suspicion of involvement in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing.

However, less that one month later all three suspects were released.  A judge deemed that evidence did not justify the rearrest.

How did the Aruban prosecutor and ten Aruban attorneys get it so wrong?

Could John Q. Kelly have been right on when he referred to the rearrests as nothing but a "Dog and Pony Show" ... a "Dog and Pony Show" to give America the impression the Natalee Holloway investigation was going forward?
_________


CATCH AND RELEASE


CONVINCED

'ABC New' - November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


CATCH

'On the Record w/ Greta' - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


RELEASED

'ABC News' - December 21, 2007

A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case. The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1207/482539.html


DOG AND PONY SHOW?

'On the Record w/ Greta' - December 4, 2007

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html

Janet,
Thank you for your persistence in posting the reminders.
I am not good for much except knitting goat wool socks.
I am afraid that the posting of private information and the
follow-ups have done exactly what was intended....stop the
discussion of Natalee's case.
It makes me so sad.
 ::MonkeyWaa::

Magnolia ... you are welcome.  Maybe you could knit my DIL's mother a pull over sweater with a matching cardigan lickity split for a special event she and hubby are attending tomorrow evening.  She had search  all the shops in her area ... nothing. 

Anyways ... as long as there are guests in the rafters reading ... maybe one of them will be in a position to make a difference.  That is what my reminders are all about.

I miss everybody.

Janet

KEEPTHEFAITH IS GOING NOWHERE.........JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY....

Is anyone at any other Forums talking about the FRAUD of the pond search orchestrated by the almighty CapsLockGizzard??

According to the security guards' attorney ... tactical arrests are not legal under the justice system in Aruba.
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SECURITY GUARDS - TACTICAL ARRESTS?

RUBEN TRAPENBERG - SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBAN GOVERNMENT

FOX News - June 11, 2005

Aruban PM Seeks Answers

Aruba Attorney General Caren Janssen (search) said the three were arrested at 6 a.m. Thursday. She refused to say whether they were connected to the two men already being detained in the disappearance.

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.  "The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

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NORAINA PIETERSZ - ARUBAN ATTORNEY

'Scarborough Country' - June 14, 2005

SCARBOROUGH: But to those of us in America, this seems so obvious that for 11 days they let the prime suspect run free, simply because he was politically connected. Are you willing to say that that may have played a role on your suspect landing in jail, instead of the main suspect who was seen with this young woman leaving the bar the night she disappeared?

NORAINA PIETERSZ, ATTORNEY FOR MICKEY JOHN: You know, I have heard a lot of rumors about some strategic plan or something like that. I don‘t want to believe so, because, even according to the Aruban law, it is not allowed to take in an innocent person as a suspect, whereas you might have some other suspect walking out there.  And that was the case with my client. Three—three people were heard as witnesses. They were witnesses from the beginning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8231452/

I'm Here!!

 ::MonkeyDance::


I've been trying to read and stay caught up, it's been a busy week!!


Happy Friday, Everyone!  Hotping, good luck to your grandson!  You know...if you have a big enough cooler you could purchase a really, big fish and take it....   ::MonkeyEek::    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet, I love the reminders!!


 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

When Karin Janssen's words are considered ... could a rumor be where it is at in regards to your contention that belongings of the MB students were found at the residences of the security guards.
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KARIN JANSSEN - ARUBAN PROSECUTOR

FOX News - June 5, 2005

Two Arrested in Disappearance

Janssen declined to provide specific charges, saying the case will go before a judge within 48 hours to determine whether they can be legally held. She said authorities had not found any of Holloway's belongings at the suspects' homes.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158622,00.html

BUMP


What are your thoughts on Disetti Bastibro? ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Morning%20Aft%20Evening/coffee/DAE_koffie-verpakking_04.jpg)

Maybe an afternoon coffee or tea break will perk us up.  Spring fever is making me so lazy these days!

Bastibro should like this cup and since he is always so nice to us all, cough, cough, posted it just for him.

Lifesize even.

I haven`t made up my mind yet KTF.
He didn`t post an answer to my question(yet).
IMO One thing is obvious however, he`s very vague ::MonkeyRoll::

I haven't seen one word of explanation from his many minions who supported his claim that all Dave Holloway had to do was come down and collect the body.  But I assumed they were collecting money to repay Dave for this cruel hoax.

 ::cartwheel::

The timelines ... the John Silvetti Aruban oil ventures ....

Cutting and pasting is where it is at Lifesong!!  Get a move on.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Thank You Bastibro..As well.He didn't answer Mr.Van Der Kouwe's question much either!I guess that was to be expected..JMOO

Bastibro,

Don't you hang out with those who supported the pond hoax?  Can you share with us their explanation for why nothing at all was found there as was promised so many times?

Well thank you so much Anaa  ::MonkeyWink::
Real delfts blue! Very nice and real Dutch for all foreigners.

http://www.hollandwinkel.nl/dutch/images/hwi/klein/kusje.jpg
Here`s more http://www.hollandwinkel.nl/dutch/default99.php?gclid=CLq9uYayipoCFQqF3godjVQoGA

Not to mention WOODEN SHOES  ::MonkeyCool::
LOL

Yes, I have several pieces of Delft and always am wanting more including a bracelet with little tiny blue tiles which perhaps I will receive one of these days.

Kind of an mendicant bracelet with tiny tiles on it?

Give me your address and`I`ll sent you one(if I can purchase one) ::MonkeyWink::

::MonkeyEek::

Thanks for the offer, Basti, but must assume you are kidding with the current climate of personal info being gathered and posted. 

You know we can't post personal information without it being gathered and one of our social security numbers (like national ID, confidential and penson depends on it, taxes, etc.) was posted just yesterday at one of the hate sites.

JanetMags, I find myself logging in during the day, making my post, and signing off. Why?  because I don't want someone to get my IP address and cost me my job.  Now when I am home I don't care what I post but being at work is a different story.  I read sometimes during the day from an old domain that will go away in about 4 months and then I will be on an international domain and most everything will be blocked and secure so no more even looking at work.  Can't even get on dialup as they have taken away extra lines to add to the phone system.  So having your IP address open so they trace you and cause you problems with your job (livelihood) isn't worth it.  It's sad some people do these things but that happens all over the internet. 

I will NOT be deterred from standing beside Beth for Natalee though.  But I would be lying if I didn't express my concern about the personal information, lawyers, etc coming from this bunch of idiots.  We all have to be concerned when these people do these things cause it can ruin your life and your family. JMO

Sorry my post above should be "Mags" not Janet.  (but i won't ask anyone to change it for me though).

Fixed, no problem.

That's what it's about Blue Moon.No will be deterred from Justice for Natalee Holloway..You can attack,stalk,lie,post SSN #'s,Birthdates,Apt #'s,one thing never changes.THE TRUTH...

If anyone partaking,and or associating with these people,were after Justice for Natalee Holloway,they sure as hell wouldn't be doing those things now would they?????Me thinks NOT..... ::MonkeyCool::

Considering that the Security guards were released with no charges implies that misinformation that belongings of the MB students or Natalee Holloway should be laid to rest.
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SECURITY GUARDS - RELEASED - NO CHARGES

CNN - June 15

Released security guard says detainee admitted lying to police

On Monday, authorities released two security guards arrested in connection with her disappearance.

Abraham Jones, 28, and Mickey John, 30, who work at a hotel near where the teen was staying, were arrested in the case June 5 but were never charged.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/14/missing.teen/index.html

I'll be back later tonight. Going outside and enjoy the 85 degree weather.  It is beautiful out and my flowers are all blooming.  Peony's are blossoming out and I noticed some iris's blooming today.  It makes me feel better to get out and walk around my yard and see all the life around me.

The other day, I posted that if Cageman came here and confirmed he knew him, then maybe the suspicions would subside.  Then, I reread his post and saw that he mentioned Annelies, and thought I was mistaken.  Cageman thankfully did come in and ask.

How can you know someone and get their name wrong?  Why did he start to post this week?   (just a couple more questions)   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can't possibly understand Dutch law, but is it permissible for false statements to be made by prosecutors & law enforcement regarding what is found in the security guards possession?

Palus van der Sloot was not qualified as a practicing attorney until January 18, 2006.  Are wannabe judges in Aruba not required to have a law degree.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006

Paul Van Der Sloot Sworn In

Paul Van Der Sloot, once held in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager was cleared on of suspicion in the case last November and has now been installed in the capacity of a lawyer on the island. Paul van der Sloot entered the courthouse yesterday to present his application to the “raad van toezict”

(Supervisory Commission) and the members of the Aruban Lawyers Association. The commission, together with the lawyers association reviewed his application and attached documents, concluding that he satisfied the qualifications to be accepted as an active lawyer working on the island of Aruba. (Aruba Today)

As long as your part of the Dutch Elite on the Island,your welcome to do as you like,without any consequences.... ::MonkeyCool::

Would I be out of line to suggest Basti get all that information from the Dark Lard who claims to have it all anyway?  Then he could send me the bracelet for a nice surprise, right?

Muhahahahahha!

Hi Ya Monkeys......I have been without power for the last 3 1/2 Hours...A pole across the road caught on fire and sparks were flying.....But just thought I would let You All know that I'm not going anywhere either

Justice for Natalee or Beth telling Us its Over is the only thing that will stop Me from helping to gather information on this case...... ::MonkeyCool::

Lifesong...Thanks for the well wishes for My Grandson....The pond at the park where the tournament is being held will be stocked with catfish and goodness knows what else in the morning....So all the little ones have a very good chance of catching a big one.. ::MonkeyWink::

Gotta go...The kids should be here anytime and then We are headed out to eat....Mexican Food....BBL
 ::MonkeyCool::

I have no backup where Aruban authorities claim that any of Natalee Holloway or the MB students' belongings were found in the possession of the security guards.

charlierat claimed on the Lifetime forum today that he was informed by some of the MB students that some of their belongings were found in the possession of the security guards.

However ... Karin Janssen was quoted as claim none of Natalee Holloway's possessions were found when the residences of the security guards were search.  I posted the quote in the past couple of pages.

Janet

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55699.php

Google translation:

Minister wants more money for tourism promotion

24 Apr, 2009, 17:24 (GMT -04:00)

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Tourism Minister Edison snort wants extra money to the crisis under very depressed tourism sector.

ORANGE CITY - Tourism Minister Edison snort want more money is pumped in the promotion of Aruba as a holiday destination. This is because the outlook for the second quarter, worse than the first three months of this year.

The sector is expected in the second quarter that the number of stay by 35 percent will decrease. For the summer months like July, just reservations received thus Brach Ahata organization. This was earlier this year calling on the government to make extra money to bridge for the industry to suffer heavily under the global crisis. Snort seems convincing when last Wednesday during the annual tourism conference ATCA hotel sector and the airport were negative figures.

Last week, the Amigoe a sharp decline in the number of passengers flying on the last quarter by 11.5 percent compared with last year. The number of tourists that the first three months of this year stayed here, fell on average by 6.8 percent, is now. In January it was also 4.7 percent less to stay in March to a decline of 10.1 percent. The yield per stay declined by 15.6 percent. In March, they are also nearly 25 percent lower.

In the presentation to foreign travel agents and carriers on the tourism conference gave Ahata that the "last minute pick up for the months of May and June, worse than in the first quarter of this year. "Looks very bad," said the branch. For the rest of the year also hit, said Ahata, although expectations are that the market in September / October stabilizes.

Valero tourism

Last year the sector was 10 million dollars extra from the government for the promotion and implementation of the so-called contingency plan, a joint approach to government and industry to the number of tourists to maintain. This amount is now not enough, says Minister snort that not only money but also the plan to change.

At the same time, he asked whether it is sufficient for the sector, because the other 38 islands in the region are working huge amounts of tourism pumps. Also give them big discounts of around 20 to 25 percent in this battle for the tourist. Snort: "I am pleased that the industry here that still does not give discounts because the later is more difficult to raise prices again. It is now for discounts of 10 percent. "

The Minister hopes that the extra money may win arbitration case against the Valero refinery - the decision still has not officially confirmed - the BBO tax release, go to tourism. "We have not as public as other islands have extensive financial resources. So it remains difficult. "He hopes that by the billions of investment in industry by the U.S. and European governments, the international economy and also the tourism market for Aruba momentum.

In trying to reign person the South American market to attract. This last week after the airport reported that due to the ban on charter by the Venezuelan authorities, the number of passengers from that country dropped significantly. Snort so fly Sunday to the South American country to have this issue on the cards by the Venezuelan Minister of Infrastructure and Tourism. Furthermore, the Minister in a few months a major tourism fair in Brazil to visit in order to convince airlines to fly to Aruba.


Ahata bleak

Director Rob Smith of Aruba Hotel and Tourism Authority (Ahata) says that in the twelve years that he worked in the Aruban tourism industry has never been such an economic downturn has seen. "I've seen anything like war and September 11. But that economic instability has some impact on tourism as it is now, not. Therefore, we are strong in our shoes for this crisis to be. This means that we must be present in the media and the relationship with the North American partners must comply. "

Today is the confidence of travelers replaced by the financial capacity, says Smit. "It is therefore important that Aruba is the consumer vacation decisions. An advantage here is that it is a relaxing place for people in stressful times to come to rest. "Another advantage of the large number of Smith called time share accommodations which the island is assured of a fixed number of tourists.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55698.php

Google translation:

Up to four years in prison for mlijoenenroof
24 Apr, 2009, 17:22 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The five suspects bankroof of the 1.6 million dollar cash from a car on October 16 last year, this morning sentenced to unconditional celstraffen of two to four years. The couple Kwidama and Hernandez were found guilty of theft and money laundering. Marin was also guilty of money laundering and complicity. Geerman was only guilty of complicity.

Money Runners of the company Aruba Armored Transfer on October 16 took money from branches of Aruba Bank and CMB in the Caya Betico Croes. The money was then delivered to the airport for transport to the United States. During the unloading, discovered the money runners that 1.6 million dollars was missing. Only a portion of the money is found. Research showed that some perpetrators to transport the money worked and had a false key bemachtigd that the money from the money truck was stolen.

'Roof has no equal "

The couple G.I.D. Hernandez and J.M. Hernandez-Peterson was sentenced to four years in prison. L. A. Kwidama received 3 years imprisonment. R.D. Marin and H.R.R. Geerman were both 2 years in prison imposed. Kwidama noteworthy was that 25 percent of sentence was due to standard breach of the Public Prosecutor (OM). The OM had the phones tapped lawyers. Despite this' violation 'was called for inadmissible.

The court ruled that Hernandez, Peterson and Kwidama promoters and implementers of the crime were. To this end, the court not in their roles because all have had a substantial share. The fact that during the robbery and no violence was used here during the extensive preparations for the robbery was not the case, the court account in the amount of punishment. Moreover, the culprit for all their 'first offense' which the court had also taken into account in its assessment.

The court stated that the theft has no equal in Aruba. These include the fact that the robbery in broad daylight was the feeling of safety in the community affected, said the judge. The fact that only a portion of the stolen money back is found, the courts weighed in the penalty. Kwidama claimed its share to burn. This was confirmed by the court not believed.

I'm sorry, Janet, that Jansen quote was not on my mind when I responded to this post.  I think my mind is on overload.  My thoughts were with how this information got to be reported in the first place, and obviously I was not thinking of the students. 

I think I'll rest my brain and eyes for a bit, even though I've put off paying bills all day.   

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55697.php

Google translation:

Low number of start-ups in five years

24 Apr, 2009, 17:18 (GMT -04:00)

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Although the new South Beach shopping area one after the other catering its doors open, registered the Chamber of Commerce this year, significantly fewer new businesses.

ORANGE CITY - The number of registrations of new businesses to the Chamber of Commerce (CoC) in the first quarter of this year decreased drastically. According to the Chamber, the number of indicative bids for the fragile economic situation. "The course gives only a limited view, since it says nothing about existing businesses. But it is an indication of confidence in the economy. "

Figures by the Court yesterday afternoon made public, show a decrease of 23 percent over the same period last year. If this trend continues, the Chamber this year 1132 new registrations to be compared with 1356 registrations in 2008. Last month - in terms of number of new company registrations - the worst was over five years. Only 83 new companies have in the month of March at the Chamber registered. Especially the number of public companies is significantly decreased from 35 in March 2008 to 23 in March 2009.

Combined with the unemployment figures, the number of tenders to the Court a reasonable picture of the current economic status, according to the Chamber. "And there is still no improvement in sight. Although there are signs that the economy in America starts to withdraw, it is not enough to expect that the Aruban economy recovers again this year. "

LifetimeRebecca 12:40pm Today

For those of you who were unable to view this movie or wish to view it again, the full movie, "Natalee Holloway", is now available streaming on our site. Visit this link:

http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/lmn/natalee-holloway-movie/full-movie/video/natalee-holloway-part-1

to see the entire movie.


http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway#comment-6997

Has anyone heard any comments from Beth on what she thinks of the finished product of the movie?

I guess Joran van der Sloot has been given a pass by the prosecutor to keep talking ... keep changing his stories ... keep putting Natalee's family through a H--- on Earth.

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February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not.

That's some drastic decline in tourism.

Instant Karma's gonna get ya!
Gonna knock you right in the head!

At this point in time with the global economy being what it is, I don't think there is anything that will save Aruba from financial meltdown.

Klaas ... is my computer IP # open for all with access to the cage to view.  Can my IP # identify who I am ... my address ... what I had for dinner ... if I had a shower today ...

I think there is something I am not understanding about accessing personal information.  I want to be informed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you.

Janet

TxMom,
Wow a whole four years maximum for robbing an armoured car?  I believe the minimum in this country is 25 years in federal prison.

And there we have a portion of the problem in a nutshell.

1.6 million dollars for four years?  Sounds like a deal to me, a bargain at twice the price.

Sort of like their law that lets everybody be a coronor and decide who is dead or alive and dump them in the sea being a misdemeanor.  I must work more on getting my inlaws to visit Aruba!

If you are going to commit a crime, that's the place to be for sure.  I have never heard of such lack of sentencing.

I agree Anna!  I'm astounded at the short terms I see for many crimes, this one was very shocking! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Janet

Klaas can answer this better but I cannot see your IP address.  It does not give your address.

No, it's only open for YOU and Admin (me) to see, the other moderators can't even see your IP

No, your IP cannot identify you nor your address or what you had for dinner.

If the police or FBI were looking to track someone the IP would be a place to start.  Then they use alot of sophisticated forensic tools to find more plus just the freely available personal information that some people post online.  A persons email address and IP are just one of the ways the police (or others) could try and track you down but they need more than just an IP.

Janet I am truly sorry to see you and also BlueMoon post with worries over this. Please know that the only reason posters at GM can threaten me, is because I allowed a certain few to know my real name and location years ago. Then when I asked to not be included in their vendettas more recently they began sharing my personal information with others.

Klaas and the mods here would never allow you to be compromised, several of them have had my most personal information far beyond my IP for years, and I trust them completely.

I won't have you worrying needlessly, I hope this helps to clarify.

Back to work, Monkeys!

 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::


nonesuche, I applaud you.
 :smt038


How many pages left, KTF?   ::MonkeyDance::

Bringing this here, just to see if anyone has an opinion or comment.    ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4899.msg783922#new

I applaud you as well Lifesong !!

FYI for those concerned about their IP as it relates to GM, I found this interesting. GM uses a free forum software, I am providing the link to the software provider's site which exists at the bottom of the splash page for GM. If you scroll to the bottom of this page it's interesting to see Simple Machine's position on forum owners sharing IP addresses much less posting them for the world to see?  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.simplemachines.org/about/copyright.php


direct quote:
"How can I get the personal contact information or IP address for a user on a forum?"
In short, you can't. You really only have two ways - the first is to ask the member for their contact information, the second is to take the complaint to a court of law, and have a court order issued to collect the information. The reason for this is that in most countries, privacy legislation prevents the website owner from sharing that information with you."

 

I noticed his post earlier today, I wondered if it was Stuart the mouse  ::MonkeyHaHa::

good response NJ Sons Mom !!

stuart was logged in....that's why I posted when I did.   

Just trying to look up different stuff LifeSong..Monkey's must always stay focused and Keep digging..The more we dig,the more they will attack.. ::MonkeyCool::

Disetti..You been Copying pasting for a few years?Whatta ya think of CapsLockWizard?Look forward to your response! ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas.  Thats a relief.

I cannot comprehend why other Monkey's are so worried about posting.

For the most part ... the Natalee Holloway forum has been a very lonely place lately.

Janet

Hi Keepthefaith, DiSetti, wreck and 6 Guests are viewing this topic

What's Up!  ::MonkeyWink::

hi faith. yes i did for a few years. i have a file now, of almost 130 pages.

but the wizard... i am totaly not sure about him. the scenario's he asuming that can be the place to surch, is stil a speculation. also everywhere the wizard is, he leaves his mailing addres. why? a confirmation, or to start his own forum. i don't know..

i go back to sleep now.

p.s. try; www.fok (edit - no need to link to the Fok forum...we are aware of it)
this the dutch leading forum site. more info, fact, q and a's, etc

So you then know CapsLock is a Liar and the POND search was  complete nonsense right?

Seeing what Disetti thinks..Guess it was a feable attempt... ::MonkeyHaHa::

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STUART - NATALIE

stuart
Re: Choosing the REAL timeline
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 11:27:22 PM »

Can anyone summarize a list of the suspected accomplices to Joran at the following time:  Immediately following Natalies death on the beach.    (I am only inquiring about the "death on the beach" scenario at this time)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4899.msg781716#msg781716


CAPSLOCKWIZARD - NATALIE

Capslockwizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 through
« Reply #725 on: September 26, 2008, 06:19:17 AM »

... "he says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brough Natalie back to the vander Sloot's home."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg471707;topicseen#msg471707

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STUART - RUBIK'S CUBE

stuart
Rubiks Cube of evidence
« on: November 25, 2008, 04:28:09 PM »

Each clue is a little square of a Rubik's cube, but only the green squares are valid, and they must all be moved to the same side of the cube to fit together into the real story.   We all know how hard it is to solve a Rubik's cube and get all the little squares to where the should go.  Just one red square with the greens (i.e. one false clue, mistaken eyewitness or lie) leads to a whole new false scenario and a whole different (but false) timeline.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4181.msg557345#msg557345


CAPSLOCKWIZARD - RUBIK'S CUBE

CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #894 on: April 03, 2008, 06:03:38 PM »

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.  The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg370532#msg370532

Hi Hotping

How was that Mexican dinner?

Is Grandson tucked in bed dreaming of catching the "BIG ONE" tomorrow?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

How the weather?  Is there a break in that rain?

Janet

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
10:25 PM PT

GoodNight Janet... ::MonkeyCool::

You guys are soooo funny!!!   I just did a google search.   The Natalie spelling came up 48 million hits.   The Natalee spelling came up only a little over one million hits.   

Did someone need me here?

#269 and # 270..Link per DiSetti....

FWIW - I don't know who Stuart is OR who DiSetti is for sure.  I can tell you that neither appear to be posting from Aruba but you know how that goes.  I can also tell you that DiSetti has emailed and posted to my Facebook site.  I have no reason to believe that DiSetti is Capslock.

Stuart - you have to understand there have been many distractors over the last 4 years so everything is looked at, especially misspelling of Natalee's name. 

Hi Janet.....No rain here now and only a 30 percent chance tomorrow...Yes My Grandson is out like  a light and probably dreaming of the big one and the laser light show that will be the grande finalie of the festival tomorrow night....
The Food was great....

Have a Nice Weekend Monkeys...Good Night!  ::MonkeyCool::