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Hello, Anybody Home?

Did anyone else watch Conan O'Brien last night?  They were all skeletons! :lol:

Something I noticed though, Cohan's skeletal arm looked exactly like that arm bone washed up in Venezuela. There is no way that was an animal bone.

Here is a clip from his show Klaas.  It was in AOL top 5.

I forgot the link :lol:

http://television.aol.com/franchise/top5.adp

Thanks San!  It was pretty funny.

But this is not funny :evil:

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Nope not funny at all.  But Aruba probably had a good laugh.

Nite San

Definitely not funny, Klaasend.  Where is that evidence, now, do you think?  

San, you didn't see that runaway stowaway running through your yard today, did you?    OT/...sorry..just be a wise s$$

Oduber probably told his buddy Chavez to discard it  :roll:

Does anyone feel that the questions posted above by Klaasend brought over from BFN are nothing but fluff? Do they answer anything in a satisfactory way? No, IMO. Believe me I have primarily posted at BFN, and truely believe in Debbie's goodness as both a person and a moderator, but these questions and answers have me fuming. For example, the one about Williams the DEA agent? What was he doing there? ....he was on vacation.....
come-on, he was there from even before the Beth arrived!

Klaas - I have updated all the WHO's WHO threads (3) and the EVIDENCE thread.  I will be posting them in a few minutes.  Will you do your usual magic with them?

Will you also replace the picture of Mickey John in the Who's Who Suspects?

Thanks!

Sure.  Won't Mickey John's picture get replaced in your new update?

The questions and answers weren't really anthing new, except for confirmation that the first poster (Hootie) was created by Julia Renfro.

I had heard that Williams (DEA) was ex-DEA and on vacation already on the island before, so I didn't think anything of Beth's comment on it.

I had Heard about his being there on vacation, but find that extrememly hard to believe when you consider the fact that he was on the scene even before Beth got there.

Then there is this question :

#8.  Is that PVDS in the Casino video?  Cannot be confirmed, the croupier does not recall PVDS being there.

The MB girls could surely have recoginzed him? If they could not there must be camera's with different angles?

Well it seems there is no-one here. I am the only one who apparently didn't get the memo about the meeting. Nite.

I agree, you would certainly think so.  Not sure the family has had access to the other casino camera angles though.

There's no meeting going on.  All the boards have gotten slow when there's no news to report.  Please do not take it personally.

Hello Kids from Northern California...how is everyone tonight?

Hey monks who are awake!

I'm checking in a little late tonight.

Hey, was on my way out, but wanted to greet you.  Hope others come in to keep you company if I fade out.  Of course, Klaasend should be around for a little bit.

What did happen with this human arm and hand?  :evil:

Why couldn't DNA test be done on it?

Why nothing else about this?

 :evil:

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Thanks 2NJ!!! Much appreciated!! I should ne in NNJ in about 3 weeks!!

What do you mean BB? Were you disappointed in the questions or the answers?

I found the questions a little embarrassing. It sounded to me that they were asked to dispel darkside rumors. JMHO

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Hey Memphis...hello from a part time west coast monkey It's still semi early here!!  lol

Guess you'll be in my neck of the woods, then....been here before?

Hi Metro!  :D

I guess it is early there.

Hi Metro - I've been playing some games on the side.  Didn't mean to ignore you!  So you're in Northern Calif right now!  Hope you are enjoying your stay!

I did look at the Q's and A's over at BFN tonight and post.
My feeling and it is just a feeling is that :
There is information being withheld because there might be a case at some point. Why do I think that ?  Art Wood on the Dana show, had said that once the case was closed, the FBI could persue matters. I would have to look  / listen to the exact wording. There has been quite a bit of damage from the likes of Julia and others on Aruba. So, why would the family want to make an announcement as to what cards they are holding.
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I doubt that anything is going to happen in this case where the inititative came from Aruba. The boycott and any pressure that was put on Aruba  
has not had any result in making Aruba do anything so far.
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I am very frustrated also.

Well, the boycott may not bring about any results, but there is something to be said for sweet revenge.

Sadly, I don't think that Dave, Beth, Art, et al., have any more information. I have a feeling nothing was shared with them.

But, then, our MSM is still choosing to interview J Renfroe when something happens on the island. Unbelievable!

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Heh..a few times...flying into Newark and will be in Warren...dinner at the Bernards Inn...incredible lobester bisque!! YuM!!

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Heh...the usual it's the Silly Valley...lol...I used to do San Diego a lot and I miss it a lot!! Although North Bay here is pretty awesome.

I wonder if the MSM has much choice in who they can interview on that dirty little island.

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And as I think about it there's a funky 70's art deco hotel in Whippany that has a steakhouse attached to it called the Striphouse..dim lights red velvet/black leather decor but absolutely incredible steak and a cheesecake single serving that can serve at least 4!!

They don't.  Who are they going to interview?  Remember in the beginning it was Tito who had a contract with Fox.  Now it appears Julia does all the talking.  As I remember we have only had 3 reporters represented in our MSM internvews.  Julia, Tito and Jossy.

Good point Carnut.

BTW, I thought it was really smart of you to bring up the 250k reward in the other thread.

Hi Metro from Louise on the west coast where it is only 9:20 p.m. Nice to see you surface again.

Louise!

Are you sending me som Jewish chicken soup?  :D

I have laringitis, and I mean not one little sound will come out!  :shock: [/img]

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Hi Louise...nice to see you too!! I have ben so busy forever it seems!! I'm about 9 hours (if traveling in a car) north near San Jose.

Klaas - the updates in those 4 threads are complete.  Would you move them to the top of their respective threads.  The pic of Mickey John definitely needs to be replaced in the new update.  Mine comes out blurred everytime, as does the TES logo in the American Who's Who.

I was asked by the family to forward the links to these 4 threads and Shizaru's timeline to Peter deVries. I just finished emailing him the following -

I have been asked by Beth Twitty & Dave Holloway to forward these links to you. I think you will find them quite helpful in your investigation.  The first 4 links are descriptive as well as pictorial and virtually identify most everyone, everything & everyplace related to this case.  The Timeline details known information to the source of the information.  One can see the many descrepancies among declarations & interviews as to what happened & when. We hope these will be valuable tools for you as you search for the answers as to what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Aruban Who's Who:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=68764#68764

The Evidence, Places, Maps, Miscellaneous & Links:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=68741#68741

Who's Who - Victim, Suspects, Families & Witnesses:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=68748&sid=c6577eb53c08c5bc90152394aabcafe3#68748

American Who's Who:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=68754#68754

The Timeline: (sourced)
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=231&sid=8cabfed075cdc5aac0a85921436466b6

Memphis, I sent the soup via email. Didn't you get it? I'll resend it to Klaas and hopefully she can forward it to you.

Sunfreak - I'll work on them right now

Greetings from the Bay Area, Atlmetroguy!  Enjoy your stay!

SunFreak ~ that's really great to hear!!!


Louise ~ I can smell it. Must be close.  :D  Whats in it?

Hi my lovely SunFreak,

I am well. How about you? Love you!

As you will see, it has white meat chicken, chicken broth, celery, onion, parsley, some tomatoes, and a wedge of lime. You can add salt and pepper to taste.  There are noodles under the chicken.

Warren is what I would consider central jersey.....but Whippany is getting closer to us by some...never been to the steakhouse, but it does sound inviting.  Should get you primed for Thanksgiving.  

On my way out now........missing your menus from home..haha

Enjoy your stay in N CA....Goodnight all.

BOC on a fly by! Good nite Monks! :oops: Pull for the VOLS Saturday we play LSU! 8)

Yum! I do believe it is going to fix everything! Thanks!  :D

Go Big Orange! :wink:

GO VOLS!  :D

 :lol:

Nite everyone.

I'm going to put my little voiceless self to bed now.

THANK YOU!

BTW, do you have any pictures of Art Wood?  Or the Map of where all the evidence was found?  I know those 2 are missing pics.

I'm doing good too, Mama Louise!

Just taking care of the dogs and cleaning the house getting ready for the winter and the upcoming holidays.  

I'm so excited!! Can I put up my Christmas tree now or would that be pushing things?  It seems like all that work & beauty should be viewed for longer than a few weeks!   :D

I just got back from a weekend trip to the mountains!  It was a great time and very scenic.

I love you too!

Your TES is better than the one I have.  I may have Art Wood and I do have that map.  Need to take a bath right now, will update when I'm done.

Thanks.

I'm off to watch a video I have to return tomorrow.  Then it's beddie-bye time.  Night all!

No confirmation for any of the usual Aruban posters like Glenda, MF or Scubajap.  

The front page poster, Linda, who posted it this morning though is pretty reliable with this stuff.  She is the one who told us 2 months ago that the Gotttenbos family moved to the Atlanta area.

Edited to add, it would be too early for it to be in the paper.  Maybe tomorrow morning.

TY I guess we will all be reading paper tomorrow

I was hoping Greta would have been on it and mentioned on news

Honestly, I think this front page poster Linda is friends with the Kalpoes.  Would make sense she would know before some others.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

Hi Ya late nite Monkeys:  Klaas I was on my way to bed and won't sleep if I don't ask.  Today earlier someone posted an article regarding a 19 year old being arrested.  You said you'd check on it, but you thought it was just an old article.  Did you find out anything?  I am sorry if you posted and I missed it.

No I couldn't find anything recent at all.  I'm about 98% certain it was an old article from back when GVC was arrested.

Now..really...Goodnight!  :lol:

:oops:  :oops:
Now, I know what it feels to be all alone in the cage.  It feels pretty creepy! I better hurry and go to bed, so I can get up in the morning with everybody else.........nite!!!!

Aruba just out and out LIES, as if they repeat the LIES long enough the world will believe them.  

Joran is guilty and Aruba sux.

June 18, 2005
Paul van der Sloot Witness Statement:
You are asking me whether I asked Joran for Guido's phone-number. I did indeed do that to verify with Guido if Joran had truly won third place at the Holiday Inn Tournament (of May 29, 2005). Joran had told me he had won third place, he said he had won 150$ and had exchanged these into Aruban Florin. I had my doubts because he hadn't told me he had won the money immediately after winning it. I spoke with Guido at the “Raquet Club” and he told me Joran did indeed win third or fourth place. I allow Joran to play the “Free Tournaments” but he is not allowed to play for real money in the casino.

June 23, 2005
Paul van der Sloot Suspect Statement:
To your question if I tell you all the things I did on that Monday the 30th of May 2005,  I went to work. The exact time I cannot remember but I think it was approximately 08.00 hours. I can also remember that around 10.00 hours I went to the C.M.B. bank. There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work. I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.
At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the
money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in
the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately
500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he
had taken over my place in the tournament.

June 20, 2005
Andre Dos Santos Witness Statement:
On Monday, May 30, 2005, (late evening)  I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400 = and cashed in the chips immediately.

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Translator:
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Goodmorning All!

Just found verification from Scubajap that the judge did not show for the Kalpoe hearing:

Scubajap wrote:
Posted: Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 02:55 am

Yes,

Cofirmed, judge did not show, the reason given: he could not get a flight from Curacao, read into that what you will.

Most likely they will not get a court date rescheduled for this year as the court goes on vacation Dec 15.

Good morning.

I see the usual suspects are still just that.  SUSPECTS!  

Couldn't get a plane from Curacao?  Yeah, right.   Sounds more like the judge was told to stay home.  Why waste court time when the KLPD isn't done with their investigation?

Maybe the judge really didn't want to go to Aruba, the rumor is that its not a place most people would want to visit.. :D  :D Now they have to find the most junior judge to fly over there..

Good Morning Peaches I hope your feeling better..  I was supposed to take my friend to the airport but he had to wait until tomorrow and his flight is at 6 AM out of Miami and he will now have to take a taxie..

Good Morning Monkeys!  Good to see you all.

Peaches, hope today is a better day for you!

Terryd- Congratulations on your job offer!!!!

I feel like the judge "not getting a plane" is just an excuse - I too think someone told him to stay put.  We'll see.

 :lol:  :lol:

Good one terryd!

The judge is 'boycotting' Aruba  :D

Sorry bleached :(

I now use the hilited term in the past tense. So I only expect fluff and more lies. jmo.

But maybe you can find out for me....just WHERE did Julia Renfro get the baby picture of Natalee that she defaced into a poster for 'fetal alcohol syndrome'??

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Queens Visit to Aruba: If you Can’t Make it Safe for the Queen … Who Can You Make it Safe For?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/02/queens-visit-to-aruba-if-you-cant-make-it-safe-for-the-queen-who-can-you-make-it-safe-for/


Off to get ready for class now, see you all later!

By any chance did anyone see Brit Hume's show last night?

Morning Monkeys.

Re. the Q/A session that Debbie (BFN) posted - Notice that there was no asthama, no known allergies or related meds - no ongoing Rx that she was taking. I know there has been a ton of discussion about that.

(She was taking an antibiotic for a cold.)

Many of these questions have been asked and answered over time, but its nice to see a summary of them so people can remember what is the truth and what was a lie.

So many on the internet had an agenda to spread mis-information and I think we all know who the usual suspects are.

Always remember when you see someone say something, consider the person and the internet site ... always consider the agenda of the source.

Some in Aruba made a conscious effort from the beginning to deceive. There have also been some sources in Aruba we use to this day that have been above board and right on the money.

No, I did not, but is it this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226878,00.html

Good morning friends... :)

Sunfreak.....I followed the link that Klaas has provided to see your updates.....the material you have gathered is awesome....thank you for all you have done... :D

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

Yeah, I saw that and listened to "The Grapevine".

I am hearing that in last night's telecast Brit made a comment like "a blog from Monkeys-----"

Just wondering

My motto is rejection of people and things that should be rejected, stop respecting the opinion of people whom I don't respect to let go of any respect for those who do not respect a Mother that had her daughter killed and raped.

Well its time to try to get a quick ride in before it rains.. Where did the sun go?

Good morning terry.....let us hear your plans when you can...happy to hear about the job.

Ditto...

MeMere,

I'm drinking a fruit smoothie before I start my ride but its not the best of days.. I guess we need the rain..  I have a list of things I should do but I'm waiting for the Fed Ex. Truck along with my dog.. I think she thinks he comes to see her..  I bought some pills for my dog over the internet and they seemed to work.. She has Arthritis and I went to the vet and got her some EtoGesic and the vet wanted $55.00 for 30 pills and I went online and got 100 pills for less than that..  She seems to feel better..

Talk to you later..  I'm glad the Judge didn't show up, kinda like no tourist will be showing up soon..

OT...strange thing about arthritis and dogs....at least my dog....had a hard time going up and down stairs last year....treated with the $55 pills....and is now doing really well....he is a small dog though....larger dogs may have a harder time....

I think this had more to do with the upcoming Queen's visit than with a judge who missed a flight.  Can you imagine having US press covering the Kalpoe's rather than the Queen....?

Information about the Queen's visit....published about a month ago...if anyone has something more recent....she is due on Aruba November 6th

http://thedailyherald.com/news/daily/j115/trix115.html

wonder where she's stayin the nite of the 6th... :roll:  :lol:

Well, wherever it is, I hope she bolts her doors.  Wouldn't it be hilarious if they ROBBED the Queen? :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Well,,, I'm bettin they bring those 'dudes' with the black jumpsuits and guns with bullets just in case....

Price is Right show today offering trip to ARUBA in showcase showdown. (gag)......Thankfully the person who bid on the showcase lost. ARUBA is getting desperate 4 tourists. Have seen adds on many channels now for Aruba.com.....to mention a few>> Oxygen, Court tv, Spike....couple others, but I can't remember now...eek

These idiots :roll: .

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...no judge.......no dismissal of suspects.....

those would be the  'idiots'',,,,,,,,,''long live the Queen"".... :lol:

Thank you MeMere. I enjoy doing little projects such as those.  :D

Sun...that is a huge project.....if I could ever learn how to put a link in my signature line, that is the one I would like to have on hand.

 :lol:  :lol:

I'll show you how to do it Mere. :D

San and thik are cracking me up!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Testing.....wonder what I did... :D

Whatever you did it worked :lol:

You aced it!

Yes, SunFreak, awesome stuff, and a great resource.

I like Shizaru's timeline too (although I'm always afraid I'm not spelling it right; tempted to just use "Shiz" ...  :lol:  )

I want an "A"....I don't like the double lines.... :?

How can I get the wording to stay at the bottom...?

Is there an extra space by accident?

San....I put it at the bottom when in my profile...but it ends up at the top...

MeMere - My profile sig lines looks like this, and there is no extra line space above or below the text. I do have an extra line (of space) between lines 2 and 3:

My avatar is an Orchis Simia (monkey orchid) plant.
Why did they have to disappear her body??

Murder & Crime on Aruba - go here for Summary on page 9:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188&start=160

Sounds strange But I like it :)

MeMere, I just ran a test in the lounge, and as you can see the link will be too long as it is, if you include the Important Case Documents text.  I can tinysize the link and then you'd have a single line....

Mere just copy and past the link.  Put it right in the first line.  Look at mine no space.

Looks like I misunderstood MeMere & the spacing....where'd everyone go?

OT...thanks to all....will try again after gym.....hugs... :D

Well I, for one, am just still wondering where the Queen hangs her 'hat' when she spends a nite on Aruba.

Pricesless!  Hopefully, the guy infront cut out some eyeholes to see.  Oh, he probably did but can only see the back of his shield.  

I can see the whole string of them falling off a cliff.  baaahhh.
Thanks for the pic San!!

Afternoon Monkeys

Hey Thik!!!!

I wonder if she knows about ladies nite at c&c 8)

It also appears they aren't packin their 'guns with real bullets',,  
probably a good reason for that ! :roll:

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Hey is one of those guys Posner :lol:

Good question, thik.  Is she definitely going to be there for an extended period?

Lorenzo ? :shock:

I read she's there the nite of the 6th and departing the 7th.
Maybe she'll just 'party' all nite.... :lol:

Then she'd better hang on to her hat and keep her head down and her drink in hand.  :wink:

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
O/T  Hey I ate a canoli yesterday!  Still have one left if you're in the neighborhood!!

or,  sorry for this......
she can party all night and catch a disco-nap if needed at one of the many, fine crackhouses available.

Read into that what you will? Man, even the propogandists have grown tired of this garbage.

LOL...I didn't know how to spin a crackhouse into my post. :lol:  :lol:

SunFreak2

These links DON'T WORK

The Timeline is fine -- but the first four give you 'the topic you requested cannot be found'

I sure hope you see this.

That's because I edited those threads for her after she posted those links.  Hopefully she hasn't sent the links to anyone yet.

Thanks Klaas!

It sounded as if she was sending them out right then.

I hope she sees the message :(

NEW PHOTO ADDED TO FRONT PAGE POST REGARDING THE QUEEN'S VISIT TO ARUBA AND HER SAFETY  :lol:  :lol:


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/02/queens-visit-to-aruba-if-you-cant-make-it-safe-for-the-queen-who-can-you-make-it-safe-for/

Well in all honesty, they are being sent to De Vries and you can be certain that Red has been in contact with them as well.  I'm sure the De Vries people are well aware of SM and the threads in that forum  :wink:

Never hurts to make doubly certain though!

Wonder if Queen Beatrix is going to stop by CnC when she visits Aruba?  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/CnCOduberQueen.jpg)

Hi friends.....back and wonder....Klaas....do we know where the Queen will be staying on the 6th...?

Nope

At the Van der Sloots.

Thanks klaasend :D

That's a relief!

So if you get arrested for stealing a bag of chips from the 7-11, you're in until .......???????  Better stick to underage drinking/gambling/drugging tourists.  Things they don't pick you up for.  

Will they give her the really good stuff in the "women only" bottle?

Debbie at BFN posted more questions late yest.. Did we get these??

Additional questions and answers:  (Questions asked to Beth)

21.  Beth, you made a statement that Joran's clothing the first night at the VDS residence was not in keeping with someone being in a Casino. What was Joran wearing? Joran was wearing light-weight short-short pants and a tee shirt.

22.  Was Joran's clothes dirty? No

23.  Beth did Joran have a black eye? I do not remember.

24.  Was Deepak's car seen inside the VDS compound? Yes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge told me they had to climb the wall in order to write down the license number.

25.  Where were Joran and Deepak when Paulus called on the cell phone? I really do not know.

26.  Were the Sloots tipped-off that the family group had landed in Aruba?  Beth -- not at first.  Art Wood -- the Sloots were probably tipped-off when the family group stopped at the Noord Police Station to wait for Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge to return from the VDS residence

Then from Jaime at BFN (? don't know if he was at meeting):
 Another FACT.... Joran did NOT go to school on Monday!!

Yes Buckeye, I already got those too.  :wink:

Sorry...couldn't find them...feel free to delete.

THANKS, SHARON!

I emailed him just now with the corrected links.  Thanks for catching that.

No..doesn't hurt to have them posted twice.  Thanks!

Another clip re the Queen's visit....does not say where she will be staying....

http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=769

At the No Tell Motel behind the VIP CLub?

I hope the vdSloot's keep Joran on a short chain that night.

Her first words when she gets off the plane will be I can't believe I had to come here to this cesspool.

If anyone is reading info on the Queen's visit.....see if you find that she is arriving on the 4th and the official visit begins on the 6th....have seen that once when on google.....if that is true, wonder what she will be doing for those 2 days..... :?

''Unofficial Queen Stuff''  a little snorkelin, a little fishin, chisten the donkey sanctuary,,,etc etc..... :roll:

I hear while the Queen is in Aruba, she'll be doing some entertaining at the local YMCA with Oduber, Rudy, Gerald, Dennis and Jan:lol:  :lol:
http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=769

In the afternoon she will visit the YMCA in San Nicolas to meet with youth groups

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Note:  wish I had a better photo of Dennis Jacobs, lol  :lol:

ROFLMAO!!!  :lol:

 :lol: That's funny. :lol:

It was great to see all of these facts at long last and the fact he didn't go to school on Monday is really a biggie I think. Huge.

.....and "Ernst, have you got my gun handy?" :lol:

I agree Ono.

It was great to see all of these facts at long last and the fact he didn't go to school on Monday is really a biggie I think. Huge.[/quote]Very huge and very telling

I will also say that Joran did not leave his fathers side that Monday.  He was stuck to him like glue.  Paulus never went to work.

Very huge and very telling[/quote]

 Sure is~!! Wanted to say Hi to you Elaine!! Miss you!! :)

 :lol: Oooooh, poor Queen...(she looks like a heck of a lot nicer person than those thugs  :lol: ).

Very huge and very telling[/quote]Somehow the quote and answer didnt post right for me I messed it up, but you all know what I am saying, If he missed school that Monday we all know why

 San I agree with yah. Kids are attached to their moms umbilical cords even when they get older.. but a male and male? Attached by the gonads perhaps? I totally believe PVDS is up to his sweaty, beady arse eyeballs!

Hello Angie!! Great to see you too! And San, Ono, and all the monkeys!!!!

I bet you're right; I also found it quite interesting that C & C's closing time that night was at 12:30.......that gives those criminals more time to do their dirtywork...that all makes sense.

Hey Elaine!  Good to see you too!

:lol:  :lol:

 

I agree Ono.. I was suprised to see that. So? now what? The time line poor SHIZ worked his butt off on is gonna be messed up ?

Paulus had too many phone calls to make.

:evil:  he he he  
OT EAINE. is it windy as heck there? it is here.. pffft! and brrr cold!

IndyDan wrote:
I rather see the prosecutor take the three to court and lose rather than just have a judge declare them free. At least go thru the motion like something is being done. Just to let them all walk away scott-free is disgusting.
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Even if they are all released as suspects in May 2007, the case is not over. If any new evidence comes in they can be brought back in.
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Never thought about the new evidence angle.  :roll:

yes it is and it poured down rain, all night long last night!!

I am just very glad the judge didn't make it

I don't know how that will play into it all, but it's important. There really is still so much we don't yet know but slowly truth will emerge, that's for sure.

[quote="Ono
I don't know how that will play into it all, but it's important. There really is still so much we don't yet know but slowly truth will emerge, that's for sure.[/quote]

 Oh sure it will. I have faith! plus knowing now what tie C&C really did close.. gives the jerks more time to do what they have done. Pricks.

He sure is Angie.  Paulus was afraid his own son would bury him with his big mouth.

Like I always say, Paulus said in his statement we went to work that really means he did not go to work just reverse what he said.

 YEP!! And I STILL think after ALL this time "BUTTONA ANITA" gots to know sumpin..or is she THAT freaking stupid and naive?

Speaking of bury...over in the "Poll" thread, Florida says that there was a rumor that Freddy "worked at the cemetery next to the church".........I wonder if that would be at the cemetery at St. Anna's Catholic Church in Noord, and isn't that where he was an acolyte ???  And isn't that very close to the Sloot Compound ????  :shock:  That just popped out at me when I read that. Hhhmmm....

Anita knows the whole deal.  She was crying her eyeballs out when she first came home because she knows what her son and husband did.  She also burst out in tears when Greta asked her a specific question.  She knows the whole truth.  She got very defiant in her later interviews because she knew the cover-up was in full force and her son would be free.

I believe that.  It is so simple to hide a body in a cemetary.  People would never wonder what they are doing because basically someone gets buried every other week probably on that island.   You don't take notice of stuff like that.

 I havnt seen the poll thread yet.. It could be true but I dont recall ever hearing that? I may have misssed it. I do recall he was an Altar Boy for a church.. and my old memory is failing me at the moment. There were pics of him in the Altar Boy clothing I do recall those.  

 RED? if you are lurking. do you have any idea if more statments are going to be released? Or are those all done?  TY!

[quote="San"
Anita knows the whole deal.  She was crying her eyeballs out when she first came home because she knows what her son and husband did.  She also burst out in tears when Greta asked her a specific question.  She knows the whole truth.  She got very defiant in her later interviews because she knew the cover-up was in full force and her son would be free.[/quote]

She sooooooooo reminds me of my X~MIL. makes me sick.
Crocodile tears are easy to come by with the likes of dips like them.

I just asked him today.  Don't know yet, they are checking.

Sorry San.. after 18 months yah would THINK I could quote the correct way when the post is long. LMAO  WTH am I doing wrong? Pfffft

[quote="klaasend"
I just asked him today.  Don't know yet, they are checking.[/quote]

  Thanks Klaas.. ! :)

You are missing one of these ] after my name.

 LOL so when I cut.. then I shouldnt cut the ] thingy out  then.
I'll learn  ROFL. only took me over a year to learn how to do photobucket!  :wink:

OK Angie quote of this post

Hey Klaas !!!!!

YOUR ORIGINAL PHOTOS ROCK !!!!!!!! ROFL !!!!!!!!!

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San, now you know you admire Anita Beneeda, admit it  :lol:  :lol:

beat ya Angie  :P

I hate her :lol: .

 this was a tiny one SAN?  LMAO  Dunno if I messed it up~!

Hey sistah None Fluffa.. ( I sent you email chicky poo)

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to Anita and beeyond !!!!!!!!!

 

 ROFL yah SNOT! :)

You're fired :lol: .

ANGIE - normally when you quote a post all you have to do is click on the QUOTE button.  It brings up the "Post a reply" box.  Then all you have to do is scroll down to the very bottom, under the message you are quoting and type your response.

Edited to add:  Once you click on the QUOTE button and it brings up the screen, if you hit ENTER twice you shoud be OK to start typing your reply then.  Then just PREVIEW or SUBMIT.

[quote="San You're fired :lol: .[/quote]
 Ohhhhhhhh OK Donald !!  ROFL

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/popcornsmile.gif) oooh say some more, I like a good fight  :lol:  :lol:

 

 TY Klaas. ! Its the long posts I have troubles with.. LOL  SO we dont have quote stacks galore.

Angie - I give you special permission NOT to worry about the quote stacks, lolol  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

uh oh I just did quote stacks

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 I love you .. so put that in your popcorn box and eat it!
Price check Sistah on telephones in email. :)

 

 ROFL Klaas!  San is kidnapping me now  to give me lessons!!  HA HA
God love'er!

HEY ANGIE

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I wub u too, but I can beat ya with one hand tied behind my long leg  :wink:

Hey Peeps.....

reading back, I just found out one thing I didn't know... :shock:


Julia made the Hootie posters...about Natalee and now I know why she is so involved in the stupid idea that Natalee ran away... is she really talking about Natalee or herself... (her past???)

Oh, sorry to barge in  and not be polite!!!!

HEY MONKEYS!!!

Yes, that was an interesting point as well as it seems some confirmation that JVDS didn't go to school on that Monday.

 :) :)  Great pair we make then wid da long leggys! :wink:

is it now confirmed he didnt goto school on Monday?  If this is the case, then the headmaster is involved in the cover-uo, correct?

oh Mrs-

That adds a new dimension to Renfro's involvement, I think it was San who pointed out with Renfro adding her phone # to those posters, then she was getting the calls of tips? How many did she tip off to the ALE before they ever were reported to the parents, if ever???????

I found the answer Beth gave regarding Paulus likely being tipped off when they arrived at the Noord station of value too? No wonder he took his time coming outside when they arrived, and with phone in hand????

Anna made a good point last night about WHY would the ALE send forty & fifty-something inexperienced parents & friends <Jug and friends> out to scope the crack houses???

It's all so apparent what a ruse it was from the get-go?

  Hi Mrs Red... I was shocked when I saw that post as well.
 made me SICK actually

Y'all, do know that when it comes to racial bigotry, it was the Dutch in South Africa, the Boers or Afrikaaners, who created aparthied and held on to it for as long as possible with an iron fist.

It is. Considering there is a PV from a teacher saying that he was in school. It is hard to believe that so many people have lied without recieving some sort of tacit approval from ALE.

Or some form of remuneration or blackmail/threat.

I think now there must be little doubt, who is going to clue in kbm?

Oh, if one of those personas who I have a gut feeling about..
Im sure they already know :wink:

This is a bad lie also. The scope of it puts the actions of all the suspects on Monday in question. It's a gotcha lie of the type that a capable interrogater can use to threaten and scare a suspect into telling the truth. Yet has not appeared in any of the PVs yet. Is it because it points towards Paulus holding an alibi meeting before the posse even arrived?

Y'all sorry, I am multitasking... but yes None, that is such a red herring.... of course Julia tipped off ALE... and sending Jug to search crack houses???  UNBELIEVABLE!!

I nominate....you.  :lol:    Evening none.

Evening igsigs.........oh no sir...

you first........age before beauty  :lol:

I will concede the beauty part to you none. As for age...i think i might have been the youngest here before kbm. Maybe FOM...she sounds pretty young.

 :oops: I was teasing and I needed to pass the buck quick, so you roll with what ya got igsigs  :lol:  8)  :lol:

why you young thing you  :lol:

 

 Fer real??

have a great night all  :)
Gotta do sumpin!

Maybe it helps me identify better with the pimps. Well, except for the drugging and killing and burying and lying and the whole destruction of an island thingy. Bunch of A-holes, they are.

Nite Ang....

I know that FOM is on the young side.... so Igsigs... how old are you??? :shock:

i said months ago

check the crypts

i was laughed at....not here of course

no dirt to move, just open the crypt


bastards

i hate them all

I wouldn't have laughed at you Robots.  St. Annes is right near the VDS home.  Would make perfect sense.

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well I am impressed, you have a good head on your shoulders igsigs even if it does look like Paulus'  :lol:

Evening Monkeys.

bleachedblack has gone into overdrive on the M&C thread. Check out Page 9. (ALL of it if you haven't read it yet ... )

It sure does make perfect sense Klaas.  I also would not have laughed.

Now here is something I just thought of.  Was Natalee taken to the church the night Beth arrived.  Who had access to the church (Freddy).  Wasn't it said that the priest did not want to meet with Dave when he was there.

Igsis... you and FOM are close :wink:

 :lol:  Ouch...that's what i feared. Even Mrs. Red said last week she sees people as their avatars.

So none, any confidence in the Dutch investiagation. At all?

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:
Hi all! You all have been busy! It sounds like we KNOW that Joran was not in school the day after Nat went missing? Is that right?

I thought Spooky was the youngest.

 :o  MY ears are BIG but there not that long :o

Yes.

I kinda sensed that Mrs Red. I like FOM a lot. Very funny, and speaks from the heart.

I don't remember which church we figure this was.  

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I think yer right San. I was just remembering the night that everyone was fessing up their age...and GetaGrip came out as the youngest. IIRC, we are the same age.

lol...I remember that night.  You are correct Getagrip are near the same age.  Geta might be a year or two older.

Wow......................
Thx for the confirmation, San

in de Vries yes, for he can build his reputation as an antagonist  :lol: in the Dutch LE ? I plead the fifth  8)

I may still have photos from that report? I think it was St Anna's?

How many more 2 ton trucks full of circumstantial evidence, from just the behaviors of the Sloots alone, is it going to take to bring them down???

Is there any reason to have hope from the Holland investigation?

Scubajab is now saying that there was a tire blow-out at the Curacao airport yesterday. :lol:  Man, they just can't leave well enough alone.

Just admit that the judges don't want to get near this case with a ten-foot pole as long as the Dutch investigation is going on.

You have a very valid point there.... she is young!!!

It's that great OTJob training from ATA in SPIN 101

Igsis... FOM is a very good person IMO... from what I can tell....


Hey CBB!!!

Churches:

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/community/religion.html#st%20anna

Scubajap wrote:

yes, the judge did not show. Tiara Air, the only people flying regularly between the two islands,( because in case anyone doesn't realize it, the judge was coming from Curacao) had techinical problems, they had tire blow out on the runway. This caused delays in the schedule, so is a possible factor. Just letting you all know.

They do not expect to get a court date this year anymore, as the courts go on vacation Dec 15. Just like in the States -BTW-they also take a Christmas hiatus if I am not mistaken.

So that is what happened. Just one of those things.

Waving to, and grinning at, Mrs. Red!!!

I don't know if she talks to Mickey anymore...but it would be great to have him pop-in here, if only for one day. I would love to know what exactly Deepak told him about the pool-side meeting, who was there, and if ALE ever put what was said on record.

CBB... I was stomping around in TN last week and this week.... I wish I could have some free time and meet you...


Igsigs... I have to say that I have emailed her about it... and let's just say I don't think he will pop in....

Were you really?? Where in TN? You picked a pretty time to be here, if you were in my neck of the woods! ( Upper East Tn) I'd love to meet you! Lord, you can stay with me anytime!

yep, thanks klass

CBB - I was more in middle.... but we will have to meet up next time I have to truck down there....

visiting family!!  

It was pretty... y'all are about a month and half behind us tree wise... I forget how gorgeous TN is until I visit...

Well, consider yourself having family in Upper East Tn, too. Anytime!  :wink:

Thank you CBB!!  I am honored

I think that was a Made-in-Aruba solution.
Be passive - aggressive.
Do nothing.
It will all go away.
Familiar, eh ? 8)  8)

Hmmm, GLENDA seems a little upset about this information that came out of the "secret meeting":

Glenda wrote:

Posted: Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 06:03 pm

Charles and Alberto were together in the car, Claudio was with the Twittys at the HI. Charles and Alberto found the v/d Sloot home because they met some kids on Arashi beach who were paid $100 bucks to take them there.

When they arrived, Deepak's car was not there! They did not jump the fence! They did not get the plate # of the car at that time because the car was at the Radisson.

Source: Charles and Alberto!


Let's see, who do I believe...Beth and Dave or Glenda  :wink:  :lol:

Does appear that there ought to be a statement on record somewhere about this.

Well, maybe there is a police statement from them.
Or did the ALE take their statements ?

Good question, I don't know.

There is that letter from Helen Lejeuz to KJ asking if they had been questioned. There appears to have been concern that this info was being ignored.

We haven't seen statements from anyone who was in the driveway that night - except for J2K and PVDS. Makes me go hummm.

TY, haven't seen that, or maybe I forgot. So much info. So little substance.

They quizzed everyone else on Aruba ! !

That idiot.  Can't you just see her scrambling and calling Paulus and saying what do I do what do I say :lol:

Hiya Monkeys

So Glenda/Julia says the Radisson huh? Thought they were at the Wyndham? Wouldn't know the truth if it bit her in the arse!!!

Good catch Yap.

From PVDS June 18, 2005 statement:

I immediately called him with my wife's mobile phone and he answered me that he was at the Wyndham. I let him know that there were people and the police at the door and that they wanted to talk to him. I drove over with the police and when we arrived there it became apparent that he was no longer there. I then called him again and he answered me that he was at the house. We drove back to the house. When we arrived at the house we found that Deepak was also there.

Well, Deepak does tell the story that he parked at the Radisson and then walked to the Wyndam.

O/t The Panda Mumma and baby are having a Mumma daughter bonding moment... so cute !!

I remember Jug being upset that the police did not include much of what was said in their reports and did not question others present that night.  Some of those people not questioned by ALE gave affidavits to Helen to give to the prosecutor.

From Joran's June 14, 2005 statement:

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself. Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers. Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel. We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to

find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing. At approximately 19.45 pm I arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino. I know the time because I was watching at he big watch of the Wyndham Hotel. Via the pool I walked to the casino. I had gone there because I had U.S. 20,- on me. I played at the U.S. 5,- minimum black jack table. I wanted to play there so I could win some money so I that, after the tournament, I could play cash games with Guido. I played for about 15 minutes. At the end of the game I had U.S. 20,- again. In the casino I spoke with a woman that works there. She knows my face and had told me that she had watched me play poker and that she thought I played well/good. She had then told me that it was 20.00 pm. I immediately walked to the Wyndham Hotel & Casino. At the Wyndham Hotel I walked in through the beach entrance and walked to the casino. In the casino I walked directly to the man called "Elvis". Elvis had U.S. 10,- for me. A week earlier I had lent him U.S. 10,-. I had gotten my U.S. 10,- from Elvis and went to register. The fee for registering was U.S. 10,-. I met Andre and his dad at the Casino. Andre and myself stayed inside the casino and walked around until the tournament started. The tournament started at 20.15 pm. I was at a table with ten (10) people. At the beginning of the game everyone had to give their registration receipt to the "Dealer". Thirty (30) minutes later I had lost. I then went to play black jack for about 15 minutes. I had won U.S. 30,-. With the U.S. 30,-

I went back to the poker game to play again. The second time I played poker I was in the game for about 1 hour. After an hour I had gone out. I stayed and waited for Andre because he was also losing. In the meantime I had called Guido. Guido had told me that he was nearly finished. At approximately 22.30, Guido arrived at the Wyndham Casino. Guido and myself went for a circular walk. After that Guido and myself walked to his car. His car was in the parking lot of the Wyndham Hotel. After that we drove to the Aruba Grant so that I could cash in my chips at the cashier. These were the chips that I had won earlier. Because it had turned eight o'clock earlier I had been unable to cash my chips then. Guido and myself played black jack in the Aruba Grant Casino for about 45 minutes. At the Aruba Grant I had won approximately U.S. 50,-. After that, at approximately 23.15 pm Guido and I arrived at the Radison Casino. I went to play poker. I was busy playing poker when I was called by Andre. He asked me where I was. I had told him that I was at the Radison Hotel. He told me he would come by there. Deepak had also asked me where I was. I told him that I was at the Radison Casino. Deepak told me that he would be there as soon as possible. At approximately 01.00 am Deepak came over to me. Andre was there too. I was on a roll. I played for about another hour. At approximately 02.00 am I stopped playing. I had "cashed out" my chips. Deepak wanted to go and play black jack. I didn't know why but he wanted to go to the Wyndham Casino. According to him he had no luck at the Radisson Casino. At approximately 02.30 am, Deepak and myself were walking to his car. He was there in his Honda Civic. The car was parked in the parking lot of the Radisson Hotel. Guido left to take Andre home.

We drove towards the Wyndham Casino. When we were just about to get out of the car, my father called. My father then told me that the police were at my house and that they were looking for a missing girl. I had then told my father that we would be coming to the house. I right away told Deepak that a girl had gone missing. Deepak had said immediately that it must be the girl from last night. I straight away thought of Natalee who I had left behind at the beach. Deepak told me straight away that it would be better if we would say that the three of us dropped of the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel. We then drove home. At approximately 03.00 am Deepak and myself arrived home in his Honda Civic. When we arrived there we could see no-one was there so I called my dad. My dad said he was driving towards the Wyndham. I then told him that I was home

So, if Joran told his father he would be coming right home...why did everyone drive to the Wyndham looking for them?

I'm missing something here.  How do we know that Joran didn't go to school Monday, May 30, 2005?   And knowing this, how many people lied about him being there?

At last week's checkup (10/26) - baby panda at Zoo Atlanta:

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hi everyone!

O/T
How was everyones Halloween?  We had a goulish fun night. Our church had their Halloween Fall Festival. Hubby was incharge of the face painting booth. I think he had more fun than the kids. LOL

Glad to hear the meeting went well in Alabama. I was unable to attend. I gave my mother a 72nd birthday party that weekend and had my house filled with relatives.

Seems we are learning more and more people in Aruba are involved directly or indirectly in the cover-up. Poor Natalee doesn't stand a chance against these kinds of corrupted people. God will have justice in the end.

A side note:  Klaasend I sent you e-mail. Not sure if you are recieving them since it's a temp. e-mail addy you used for the label stickers with everyone.

God bless~

From Paulus June 23rd statement it appeared Joran did not go to school.  At BFN it looks as though the family has confirmed (I think) that Joran was not in school May 30th.

dkpen - I'll check that email address now.  Haven't checked it yet today.

ok, so lets suppose it is 100 percent fact that joran did not go to school
i believe that HE DID not go to school.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm.... er...ahhhh  JORAN
where were you ??? :twisted:

Can somebody refresh my memory please? Didn't someone, ( Joran, I think, but maybe Anita) say in a television interview that Joran even had a test that day and that he scored very well?

Off the top of my head...

Sources for did go to school...Joran, Renfro via Anita, teacher PV.

Sources for no school...BFN Debbies recap of BHam meeting, Paulus' wishy washy PV.

see this BLOWS open the JORAN defenders INCESSANT PUKING about

how the 3 PRIME SUSPECTS  did not have enough time that night to get rid of Natalee that night
and BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  YADA YADA



 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
welcome to MONKEY BUSTING


all they had to do was hide the body temporarily that night and the next day is when the permanent  location was used

Thanks igs. Like everything else in this case, the lies are about the only way to decipher the truth. If you look at who is lying and about what, you can begin to look at what truth that points to. ( Sounds really conviluted doesn't it? Like this case! )

So we know now that Joran didn't go to school that Monday, May 30th.
Satish didn't go to school that Monday either.  
Deepak didn't have to go to work until that afternoon that day of May 30th.
Paulus didn't go to work May 30th.

I am sure this is when the meeting took place while everyone was playing hooky from school and work.

Does anyone know what Freddy, Koen, Sanders was doing on Monday, May 30th?

Ah, the Zen of the Panda ! !
..
OT again. After work, I had to go to the downtown shopping centre ( bad reputation ).
Some kid about twenty approached me and asked if I wanted to buy some weed.
So, I said nothing because I was in shock.
So, then he asked if I wanted to buy some grass.
It was one of those stupid moments I can tell you. !

So we know now that Joran didn't go to school that Monday, May 30th.
Satish didn't go to school that Monday either.
Deepak didn't have to go to work until that afternoon that day of May 30th.
Paulus didn't go to work May 30th.



bastards

Joran might have dropped in later to have a nap in the sick room.
Rest up.

This is what makes me crazy about the Titanic of the Carribean.  Did he or did he not go to school and why are people lying about it?  Why are some of the simplest things being lied about?  Joran says he didn't know Natalee had disappeared, but his former girlfriend says he and his friends did know.  Is anything true and real on the Titanic?  I start to get headaches with stuff like this and I want to punch someone.

And from the gambling schedule from above it would appear JVDS woulda been a little sleepy on Tuesday as well.

So now Paulus didn't leave work to go to the bank, find the line too long, go back to work and back to the bank later?  Do I have my days mixed up?

Punch someone ! I know exactly what you mean. And we are nice ladies, gentlemen and a robot ! !

PVDS says he was at work between bank runs, but one may wonder if anyone was around to verify that.

Possibly the bank runs are mentioned because PVDS knew he was seen in the area at those times.

Jug spoke of Joran being seen with injuries at school. Was that a couple of days after Nat went missing?

This is so cute!  I love the pic of the zoo keepers all sitting holding the little pandas.  It looks like they're all holding soccer balls.   :)

There was alot of effort in attempting to market Joran as a normal boy
who was a scholar, excelled at sports, blah blah. When the truth is, he is a skid row bum. Who has parents.

Well, the JVDS statement does appear to show a bit more gambling activity on his part than just participating in 'free' poker tournements.

Does that Baby have a name yet ?

 :lol: ROFL   too cute!

Did anyone else notice that after retrieving the ten bucks that he had loaned someone, Joran then had fifty US dollars?

Do what I do sometimes....

Pick up a pillow and either punch it many times or put your face into the pillow and scream as loud as you can until you get it all out. LOL

It does appear that most all the statements appear to be crafted to cover most all the negative possiblities.

This is all stuff that's easy for authorities to verify.  There have to be records and numerous witnesses.  But the police and KJ could sit around laughing as we "chased our tails" trying to figure this stuff out.  What's worse is that it sounds like they were all hanging out Monday doing exactly what Mickey John said they did and then Joran goes off to play tennis and go gambling again.  What happened to 'if you don't go to school you don't go out to play?'  And why is it that you have to pass a test to drive a car but anyone can have kids.  :evil:  No skills required.

Speaking of the sociopathic sexual predator from the Titanic of the Carribean where the economy is heading for the Ditch, where is he?  Netherlands?  Aruba?  Any reading on his cyber-ankle bracelet?

Nooooooo, you're not going to tell me Anita lied to us too!  This is more than I can take in one evening; my head's going to explode!  
 :lol:

LilPuma...

Last I heard Joran was back in Aruba laying low. That was during and after Beth was in Holland doing the Jensen show.

Joran says that he got the $10 from Elvis to enter the tournament.  How can a tournament be "FREE" if it costs money to enter it?

You tell me and we'll both know, seems after entering there were 'winnings', don't seem free either way.

it's ARUBA ! !  :lol:  :lol:
And that Queen's visit, they might have to export some ppl to another island. Or pick them up off the sidwalks...
Pssst Queen Bee... wanna buy some weed ? :lol:  :lol:

Oh geese, hate to think anyone on that dirty little island is named Elvis, what an insult.

Kat_Gram - the panda will be named on it's 100th day, which puts it at December 15 or thereabouts. (It's a Chinese custom.)

I am sorry I went off topic. I posted a couple of pictures in the panda thread in the lounge. (The naming date is there, too.)

Back to it.

Beth & Dave & Art say Joran was not at school on Monday.

They also say that Deepak's car was in the driveway, and someone in CC's car "jumped" to read the plate #. (They gave the boys' names - I don't have them off the top of my head; Debbie's post includes them.)

Natalee's Spanish was quite good.

The chaperone notified Beth. Matt notified Dave.

The phone call CC listened to was the "William" call and there was NO verbiage - just odd noise. It "came from" a Florida number. William was on the trip but didn't listen to the message until on the plane/bus/back home. At this point, Beth & Dave & Art do not feel the call was connected to Natalee. (I am not sure, but I think they said "William" gave them his cell phone and they took it with them to Aruba.)

C&C closing at 12:30 am on Mondays- Wonder how that impacts the timeline?

Thanks dkpen.  If that's true, I guess he quit school or took a semester off.  What will he do with his life now?

I imagine that Queen Beatrix would come with her own version of the Secret Service or MI5. They would really have to sweep the place out.

LilPuma - Love "Titanic of the Carribean" ...

Well, gee, I thought we had always known that CnC's closed at 12:30 on Sundays, never thought that was ever in dispute.

Oh, he'll blame Natalee for his becomng a bum. Yet as far as I can determine, it was in the cards for him way before that.

Well, KBM and I'm sure others down there think PVDS lost his job because of the case. Luckily we had info that shows otherwise.

The really nutty part is that Paul said he was trying to deposit Joran's casino cash winnings on Monday, May 30th at 10 AM but Joran had not won that money yet.  According to Andre Dos Santos, Joran won $500 US that he exchanged for florins, late in the evening or early in the morning on May30/31.  Paul's memory of his own activities on Monday, May 30th don't make sense and cannot be true.

Well, I came in late, I thought it was at 1 am.
Might be they stop serving drinks at 12:30 and they give you the 1/2 hour to vacate the premises. There was a security shot from Diamonds International of D"s car, reportd to be timed at 1 :12 or 1: 18.

It was Albert that jumped the fence to read Deepaks license plate. For some reason I want to say Albert Levy but I know that's not the correct last name. But, I do know it was Albert who jumped over the fence.

That is so appropiate!  LOL.

Hi MsMarple!

Does anyone else remember the story about the Aruban police who ran over some woman drug addict? They either took her statement, then denied the whole thing happened OR it was a hit and run.  Then months later the woman wanted to know what became of her case?

I swear I didn't dream this story up.  It should definitely be added to the Murder & Crime thread.

If you remember it or have the post/story will you please repost it?  Thanks!

Dunno, I always thought the schedule was 1:30 weekdays and 12:30 Sundays.

3 amigos showed up at 12:00 or so and only had a 1/2hr to get the job done.

Your welcome LilPuma.

You know, wasn't there a new law Holland past about sending troubled kids back to Aruba if they caused problems? Or something like that? Maybe they decided Joran falls under that new law?

I thought it was 1:00 a.m. too.

I'm not a bar expert, but "last call" and "closing time" aren't one in the same, are they?

Don't know if it matters. J2K supposedly didn't even leave the VDS home until after midnight? This was some fast work ...

I thought J2K arrived at 12:30 AM - a half an hour before closing time.

The story about Alberto Groenvaeld jumping the fence and getting the tag number was told very early on on the RWV.

From what I recall CnCs announced last call and closing at 1am and it was said that it was unusual because they normally stayed open until 1:30am.
Everyone was trying to scramble to leave because CnCs abruptly called "last call".

Backatcha, SunFreak!  Definitely need that one for M&C.

Have you READ it lately? bleachedblack is packing robbery stories. The Queen had best leave everything in the counting house back home ...

Yep, I remember it...it definately happened.

DKPen - check your email please  :wink:

OK, guess the 12:30 close wasn't that well known.

Well, of course, my mind starts trying to wrap around whether Joran knew it. Maybe a young person would disagree, but it hardly seems worth while to leave after midnight to go somewhere that closes at 12:30? Just something else that suggests something other than a "social evening" - IMO.

Think we've been figuring on that as well. Had to have had a fast plan and some chemical assistence to get a girl that evening.

Nonesy, you are so bad!! And I need to get something in the mail to you. Please forgive me, I am such a procrastinator.

Igsigs, I'm younger than you by 9 years babe! I think I got everyone beat 8)

Just wanted to say Hi. I'm always here lurking. I really appreciated the Q & A being posted. It helped to get these answers straight from the family. The C&C closing at 12:30 was the biggie for me.
Hugs to you all :D

They did it 20 times before!  What a MO.  Find a vulnerable girl who would be leaving the island the next day.

Think it's probably been a time honored tradition on that dirty little island.

Do I remember correctly that there were problems getting the past judges to the island too? Back when we WANTED them to come and for some reason they missed planes and stuff? Ya'll remember that?

Dunno, but that Curacao judge must have a heck of a busy schedule to not be able to reschedule till after the 1st of the year.

I like the newer tradition called "BOYCOTT ARUBA".

 :D

Got it Klaasend and WOW!!!  Thank you so so much. They are simply wonderful.

You can add them to the other label stickers if you like for those who are still involved with the Amy Bradley case.

Thank you once again, you are "The Amazing Super Monkey Klaasend".

God bless~

Yeah, the funny part might be that JVDS might get in trouble with the locals for disrupting and bringing attention to the 'tradition'.

Surprising, considering there is NO crime down there!

You're very welcome!  :D

G'night monkeys! Early morning for me tomorrow.

I had read something not to long ago and just remembered about it and wanted to share this little tidbit info. Maybe they use this on the unhappy island Aruba. Maybe this is how Deepak got text messages since he was out of minutes or maybe it is how Deepak sent messages to Jorans cell. Could this be a guise on the messages that night in question?

www.mas.aw - website

You send a message from your pc to a cell phone. Sorta like text messaging. It's also free. Just fill in and send.

Put in your name and their phone number. ex: your name-Jane Doe, their #- 555-555

It's limited to 5 messages from one IP#, so just refresh your IP after the 5 messages sent and you can send another 5 messages. If you get a good IP number when you refresh, that is. If someone else has used this system and got a duplicate IP# then you will have to refresh once again until you get a good IP#. Just disconnect and reconnect your modem.

Night SunFreak2    :)

Think I have a pillow with my name on it. Going to call it a night myself.
I've been working on a couple projects all day and my eyes are getting heavy.

Thank you once again Klaasend. You're the best!

Night all you other Super Monkeys.

God bless~

I remember it happened at least once before, and it was a mechanical problem then too ...

HJ SPOOK!! :D  :D  :D Fat Phils Buddy! :wink:  :wink:

You're sooo funny. Good to see you though. How are Aruba sells going? :wink:

Hi Msmarple!! Glad I'm not the only one to remember that :lol:

I am very sure this is wrong,  CnCs closed at 1:00.


Ruth McVay: (to question what time did she think Natalee left) From other people talking and the time that the club closed, around 1 a.m.  


Virginia Page: That night was more hectic than others was because it closed at 1 a.m. There was sort of a mass exodus out of the place. Everyone left all at once.


Katherine Weatherly:(Had Katherine already left prior to Natalee?) Well, Carlos and Charlie`s closed at 1:00 o`clock, and when it closed, everyone was getting in taxis at the same time and it was really chaotic.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/studentquotes.htm

Nancy Watson's 302:
Watson and Bruce Rawls left Carlos and Charlies when it closed at approximately 1:00 am.

http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=6838

Alana Jordan
June 12th, 2005 3:21 pm: (Responding to the question, "What time did you leave the club?") It closed at about 1, 1:30 and we left around then. A couple of my friends and I went to another club for a minute to make suer that no one went there and were being left behind.

http://scrux.com/natalee/alanapostings.htm

Interviewer:  So, what time do you think you stepped foot out of Carlos 'n Charlie's?

Joran van der Sloot:  Probably, yes probably one a.m.  

http://scrux.com/natalee/jorangreta.htm

She left 10 minutes before closing at 1 a.m., said the restaurant's master of ceremonies Jose Hernandez, 38. "Nothing was out of the ordinary."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158485,00.html

I believe that Deepak did not go to work on Monday.  His boss is lying.  What is her name again I think it might be Angelina.  She is like a sister.  You do the math and tell me if she is lying for Deepak.

Good Morning!  Like the way you think, Indy.  

And love that avatar!

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

My Two agencies have not sold any Aruba vacations since shortly after Natalee went missing! I think it will stay that way as we discourage any Aruba travel!

JVDS: NOT IN SCHOOL MONDAY 5/30/05

This per HT family recent meeting and Q&A.

So, likely then jvds in school on Tuesday 5/31 (after HT family meets him and pvds at sloot house) for this account to have happened:

According to another source close to the case, Robert Werner, headmaster of the International School of Aruba, where Joran attended classes, also said that Paulus van der Sloot admitted to him his son confessed that Natalee died accidentally in a fall on a beach.

The source revealed: "Paulus told the headmaster that Joran and Natalee had been taking drugs and decided to go for a swim. As they played in and around the water, Natalee fell, hit her head on a rock and drowned. In a drug and alcohol-induced panic, Joran felt he had no other choice but to dispose of Natalee's body in the sea."

And hasn't Werner stated, to Jug's friends, that jvds WAS in school on Monday, and said to Paulus as reminder that jvds had arrived to school late?

.


http://web.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63315

.

Good Morning Monkeys.  I hope everyone is doing well.  I have an O/T request....please....my email is messed up really bad...for some reason it just keeps sending my this junk stuff saying "returned mail undeliverable"  what is going on?  Do I have a virus?  I have run every single virus scan and security program I have.  Would some really, really, smart computer savvy monkeys please help me fix this.  Oh, please, please....TIA

LaLa's - alot depends upon what email you use.  Is it outlook or AOL or something else?  How full is your inbox?  Could you be out of space?

Not that I'm real smart but what kinda email are we talking about here, Lala's?  

Have you cleared your cache?  Deleted temp files?

When was the last time it worked correctly?  

Just a few questions to get started.......

Klaas
I use Outlook.  The problem is this...I am not sending emails to any of these addys.  It is just sending me this stuf with these "undeliverable " messages attached to them and I don't even know who these addys are for. I get all my email and this junk also.  It is awful.  I get at least 50 or more everytime I check my mail.  I need major help here.

Sometimes when people send out "bulk" emails to several people I'll get the same message.  What happens is when you FW FW FW jokes and things to many people.  Pretty soon you have 100's of email addresses you are forwarding.  When an email address is deleted and no longer active, and it's on the forward list, you will get that message.

For instance, I get a joke that was forwarded several times then forwarded to me.  In those emails there is one bad email address.  BUT, that same forwarded email gets sent to you 5 times by people you know, resulting in the "undeliverable" message being received 5 or 6 times by you.

That's an excellent answer.  I don't use Outlook.  Never have.  Glad Klaas could help.   Back to my corner.

Let me try clarifying what I said above.

Someone who forwards emails to you on a regular basis, that has an email group set up with many people on it, has a bad email address in their group.  That is what is causing those "undeliverable" messages you are getting.

Edited to add:  If you read the "undeliverable" message you can probably tell what email address is bad.

 :shock:

San - why does that "shock" :shock:  you, lol  :lol:

Lala's,  

Outlook also has a read receipt option that would return these notices for a bad addy, as Klaasend described.   You can check your settings by going to Tools/Options/Receipts to see if you have it set to send you a notice when the email is read.  

Not saying this is the problem, but I know when I deleted unread emails of co-workers who no longer were working at the company, I got a load of them, because I had had the setting checked for receive/read receipts.

Hammer:
It surely seems that by Tuesday, Werner had already been told what to say and had his script prepared. It also looks like to me that the "trumped up story line" was to try to paint Natalee as a careless & wild irresponsible druggie, so "high" that she fell on the beach (sand really is dangerous & those falls can be deadly :roll: ) and even went swimming...Little did Paulus, etc. know however, that Natalee was taking anti-biotics (according to the Q & A Meeting list of facts), and I would daresay she was drinking even more responsibly than she already did as a general rule, when these creeps kidnapped her.

In my prior position, looking at failed email notices, as Klaasend described, we could figure out why a client was not receiving transmissions.  Usually, it was due to user error, a misprint of some sort, or an email address had been changed and we were not notified.  The address that failed is in the header in the notice.  It could just be something like...san@monkey.con (typo), or san@monkey,com (comma instead of dot)

Where is this info about the antibiotics posted? TIA.

Shiz: I saw it at BFN yesterday.

I now am beginning to wonder if JR was at that poolside "get our stories straight" meeting as well ? She's been spinning like a top from the getgo, for her best bud, Bali Bra Sloot.

Thanks to all of you for your help.  I will try all of the suggestions and see what happens.  I may end up with a meltdown on my email...but I am willing to try anything at this point.

Was the Nov 1 hearing just to release 2K as suspects, or Joran as well?

As far as I know just K2.  There was speculation that Joran would be next but I think it was just that, speculation.

Shiz: I can't seem to locate it over there now, but I did see it yesterday.

Shizaru & Ono....I knew I had read something recently.  I found that msmarple mentioned something, but I do not know the origin.  Perhaps, if she see this she can fill us in.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=68834&highlight=antibiotic#68834

It's in a "Q & A Secret meeting" thread.  FOB has it and so does BFN.

Natalee "took a cold" that week (before leaving for the trip); they got an Rx for antiobiotics; that's all she had on the trip - no other ongoing meds - no ashtama, no known allergy, etc.

Hello, hello, hello and body home, home, home :lol:   I Klaas I see we are the only two people signed on.

I'm here ... and there ... and elsewhere ... :wink:

I'm here also, but just checking in periodically.

Hi cp and msmarple.

I'm working :wink:

Hey guys - I'm hear too, working, lurking, and cruising other sites.  It is a sleepy afternoon.  I splurged on chinese for lunch and now I am sooooo sleepy.

I'm here....playing Tropix and still trying to clear the dining room table... :D

Scared Monkeys Radio.  

I have an idea for a guest.  Two ideas.  

1.  R. Stephanie Goode, co-author of Dave's book, who has worked with the FBI on internet predators, according to her bio.  

2.  Find a level-headed US expat living in Aruba who can give us an idea of the cultural differences from an ordinary citizen's perspective as well as talk about how this case, Beth and the US media are viewed there.  If it's a business person who doesn't want to give their real name on the air, I'm sure Red and Dana would agree to it.

I have spoken to Stephanie several times about being a guest on my show, she is welcome any time. Maybe an email or two from those of you might help convince her. There must be a email link on her page ?

I suspicion this is your problem:

Why I am not sending you Viruses (http://review.zdnet.com/AnchorDesk/4520-7297_16-5128975.html)

I'll see if the old addy I have for her is still good.  I'll also e-mail a monkey friend of hers.

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Four French Nationals Convicted of Beating Two gay American Tourists in St Maarten
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/03/four-french-nationals-convicted-of-beating-two-gay-american-tourists-in-st-maarten/

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/DJefferson_small.jpg)

I saw that.   :x  I also remember a news story a few months ago - on my local nightly news - about a man from the US vacationing in St. John's who came out of a bar, was confronted with some local boys and ended up in the hospital.  Bad enough, but the police then said that this man from the US was "drunk and looking for trouble."  Unless he was drunk enough to physically threaten a group of young men - death-defyingly dumb - the fault lies with the perps.  I'm beginning to think that these islands all have a degree of disdain for their tourists and will turn the tables on any victim.  Nuking them might be a bit extreme (except for Aruba), but I think we need to be alert for these things and shout from the rooftops that we're not going to sit idly by letting these small (often times corrupt) governments treat their tourists that way - especially if they are American.  I feel as thought we need to take some bleach and detergent and start scrubbing the entire Carribean.

Got to do a few things, get some exercise, have dinner, watch the Bulls game and check in later.  I'm always hoping there will be some news, but if not, maybe someone could bring snacks.   :wink:  :D

The people of St. Maarten should also ask whether the sentence sends the clear message that if you wrongly attack visitors, the punishment for endangering the island’s lifeblood will be steep,” Jefferson said. “Also, does today’s sentence soothe the anxiety of visitors who now worry if they will be treated fairly should they become a victim of a crime?”

There are some words that Aruba best heed as well ... this is exactly the same reason why people do not presently go there. Not so much a crime issue per se ... its if one becomes a victim of a crime they know how they will be treated ala Natalee and her parents.

NJ Mom, Peaches, & msmarple:

Thanks so much for locating Natalee's anti-biotic info!!!!

Red: That's it in a nutshell.  Who wants to travel to a place where there is no law & order ?

Shiz:

If you see this, I saw you inquiring about Charles Croes' interviews and you not seeing something you were trying to verify contained therein...The FOX interview that Greta did with him early on in the case was so HEAVILY edited...that much case info was held back.

Lalas,

I think I've experienced the same problem you have a couple of times.  In BOTH instances it was not ME who had the virus - it was someone ELSE whose computer had picked up a bunch of addresses , including mine off of emails and was forwarding to everyone.

Run a scan and if you don't have a virus then it is really someone else's problem and not yours.  Not sure if you can block all of the returned mail messages - guess it depends on your software.

That is why it is so important to DELETE the email addies when forwarding emails on and to use the BCC (blind copy) function... that way you aren't sending the "bad guys" other people's email addresses.

Hope this makes sense!

Evening all !  Grande reporting for duty...  Just returned from FLORIDA.

Plainview?  :lol:

Lala's, if you're not sending emails, you could have a Trojan (as opposed to a worm) but it's odd that your Antivirus isn't catching it. Take a look at this site..

http://antivirus.about.com/od/virusdescriptions/a/TrojBagleDlL.htm

I hope this helps.

I meant to say " inquiring over on BFN about  Charles Croes, etc..." 8)

Anyone heard from Tyler? She went into the hospital last Friday.

Anna posted this the day before yesterday:
Tyler is home and resting comfortably with care from her family. I am sure she will be back posting soon

Ok spill............................

I would like to hear from the DEA agent who was there right at the beginning. Whether he was on duty or not. I know his name, don't want to put it here. Think it will happen ? That we will ever hear one peep from any of those FBI / DEA guys who were there ?
I would also like to hear from Art Wood again.

LOL nothing further to add at this point.

OK well then how was the weather  :lol:

Grande you are a big TEASE then  :lol:

Hey I've been offline most of today but someone sent me this in my mailbox? Speaking of Florida.........something for your dart board Klaas  :lol:  :lol:

I'd have to call Jula a fashion faux pas and not a fashion success  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/Julia.jpg)

Hot, hot, hot!

LOL None!

I wonder if the Head Master at Joran's school was in the dirty old mens club.  We now know he lied about Joran being in school.  Is he still on the island or did he disappear.

Grande, when you said FLORIDA , I though you were sending us a secret message, that you had been in F L O R I D A  wink wink

He writes childrens books.

She is horrendous.  Look at those big ears.  Oh wait so is everythng else. :lol:

 :o no but we can certainly discuss Florida if you like.

How are the preparations going for the visit of the Queen ?
We have a Queen here too ! !
Whenever any of them show up, well, it's pomp, ceremony and alot of gushing. Very quaint ! !

Hi everyone!



San...

I believe the head master of Joran's school left Aruba and went to another country.  Africa I believe, not positive though.  Wonder why he left so abruptly. Didn't another teacher leave the island around the same time the head master did also?  Seems a lot of people left the island right after Natalee's disappearance that has direct or indirect involvement.

O/T

I have an idea for a guest on Dana's show.  Ask Amy Bradley's father or mother to be a guest on the show. And maybe an ex FBI Agent that worked on Amys case. ex FBI Agent Strom, who worked on Amys case, could be possibly on the show to answer questions?

Thanks dkpen.  Yep a lot of people left in a hurry.  I don't think it was over J2K either.

I just went to ISA and Werner is still listed as the headmaster.
There was a teacher who went to Africa for the summer. Summer of 2005 after the school year was over. Never heard any more about it.
Pictures taken near end of school by this teacher. Must have come back by now. !  ! :roll:  :roll:
This would have to put rest one way or another any injuries (internet  rumors ) that Joran had that day.

Guido left in a hurry. Didn't even go to his own graduation.

Well Dr. Baden said one night on TV that Joran had scratches on him.  He didn't just pull that off the internet.  I think he knew something.

http://i2.tinypic.com/2r4ls28.jpg Ernesto Arambatzis marriage license, available via the Miami Dade County Clerk vital records division.

I also read somewhere that while in jail the ALE noticed Joran had a bad cut on his upper left foot. If this is true, maybe that explains the one missing shoe.

http://i7.tinypic.com/21b6wbq.jpg Ernesto Domestic Violence

Are there divorce records for Ernesto and Rebecca?  I'm curious about this Domestic Violence being another person.

Seems to be the way for those Arubans. Treat their women like dirt and disgard them afterwards.

Once you're married to the mob you don't get out so easily :lol: .

Ernesto is an associate of Ariel's both Miami Beach club promoters.

Ariel has a myspace account as does Ernesto or did at some point recently.  Ariel later dropped the domestic violence charges.   They are both well known members of the Miami Beach Club scene.  Incidentally, Ernesto's boss was the owner of the infamous club 54 believe it or not.

I just realized that the two people we don't see since Natalee disappeared are Lorenzo and Ernesto.  They both dropped out of site.

Was Ernesto in Aruba at the time of Natalee's disappearance?

I believe Lorenzo moved to Holland.

Ernesto and Freddy's father:

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

So, Sasha Rodriguez must be their sister.  Sasha's 16th birthday party.

Yes, with that infamous family picture with Freddy and Ernesto and Sasha grouped with a few ladies and other family members, I presume.

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

SandraK/Key West is FOS.  Do not believe a word she says!

Klaasend...

by chance you can send me a picture of the template you made that reads "Hope for Natalee" in yellow? Only just the single picture, not the template, please?  I am going to print out a magnetic bumper sticker with it along with the label stickers and get the boycott package ready to send out to Amy's parents.

God bless~

he has a "Disco".. in his basement... He's Stuck in the 70"s ..and had a few friends over.
The "House of Rave".. is the Name of a comic Book>>

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/raveironfist.htm#maze

Posted by: Key West | Oct 23, 2005 3:10:49 PM


Is it Possible Joran and Natalee went there?
Or no?

Posted by: edward | Oct 23, 2005 3:15:22 PM

No,They have never met. And the 3 others stated no one had come into the home.

Posted by: Key West | Oct 23, 2005 3:17:32 PM

Did Ernesto have any links to Chris Paciello.  They seem to have been in the same business.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0002,owen,11722,1.html

LOL  sorry but I got the biggest laugh out of that one.   :lol:

Well I believe them as far as I can throw them, and we know how far that is.

Sure, give me a minute

Oops, correction. "Hope for Amy", not "Hope for Natalee".  I have the "Hope for Natalee" one.  Sorry for the confussion.

Thank you M'am!   :)

I agree, however as in the Shango posts, the content is not necessarily the key, the motivation for posting is what may lead to other discoveries.  That is why I think it is critical that we attempt to find out the true identity of the anti Holloway members.   The Shango posts were an attempt to portray Joran as a sacrificial lamb.  Clearly that is not the case.   Which suggests the content was the intellectual work of a Joran supporter.

My point is that it would be a mistake to entirely discount posts from the Joran supporters.  The question is WHY post on behalf of Joran.  

Any developments by way of Kawish while I was out?

Anyone have a recent picture of Kawish by chance?

The photo in the who's who in Aruba can't be very old.  Maybe a year or so.

Good evening all you beautiful & wonderful monkeys.  It's so good to be here.  I just spent the last 10 hours in the Emergency Room. What a nightmare day I've had.

Well, I hope so too. If Joran had injuries ie scratches, why didn't anyone see them that Monday night ? There was quite a group there. It was dark outside at the Sloots, but they all trundled off to the HI where they were in the lobby. Also, I don't know why the black eye question was asked and I don't understand the answer given. As far as evidence, there was no evidence that Joran had any injuries. None were noted, same for Guido.There are a few more questions where I do not know why the answer was what it was.  I do not know where Dr. Baden got his information from, but it was not first hand because he never travelled to Aruba and as far as I know, he did not examine Joran.
And, I still think that the J2K are guilty regardless of these questions of mine. OK ? These Q's and A's were not put to them the way they are posted, there must have been some sort of context.
I think that there was a lot of Chit talking from school kids that started some of this.

OMG what happened?  Are you OK, your family OK?

SunFreak everything ok?

:oops: holding my breathe hoping all is well sunfreak...

Ok, while I am waiting for sunFreak to answer. I hope everything is good. And BTW, good job on sending all of the stuff to Mr. DeVries.

..
Shango, There has been some research by ppl as to who Shango & Simian were. I do not know, no one will stick their necks out or discuss.
Grande ..Maybe Klaasend or San or someone will email you or let you know who they are and why. I do not need to be in the know.

Thanks Klaasend, got the pictures and printed the purple one. Looks great!

God bless~

sunfreak ~ are you okay?  what on earth happened?

I was the patient.  I am having excrutiating pains in my left lower abdomen.  I was poked, prodded and examined in every nook & cranny.  I had a CT, ulrasound, biopsies, you name it.

This jerk male Dr who I saw first, comes in my room and says to me - "How long have you had that mass in your abdomen?"  I said what mass??? He says that big tumor that is 5" by 6".  I was dumbfounded.  Then he proceeds to tell me that I have ovarian cancer.  :shock:  :shock:

Then another male Dr came in and said I was being admitted for emergency surgery.  I'm still dumbfounded and wondering WTH.

Finally I get to see the OB/GYN who tells me I have a large cyst on my ovary and it needs to come out within the week.

The first male Dr at first wouldn't give me anything for pain, then he turns around and gives me IV Dilaudid (which is a very heavy duty pain killer).  When it's time to go home he gives me Tylenol #3, which to me is like putting a birth control pill in your armpit to prevent pregnancy.

I just cannot believe this man waltzed in the room with a diagnosis of ovarian cancer without anything to back it up.  Thank God I knew that one can't make a definitive diagnosis of CA the way he did.  What an idiot.  That hospital will be hearing from me about him.

Thanks Kat... here is what I know about the Shango posts;

Originated from the Plantation / Ft. Lauderdale area...

Many references to Santeria / Charles Croes practices Santeria, not making any implications only posting that for reference purposes...

The ARUBA TOURISM Authority is located in FT. Lauderdale...

Gabriel Leo lives in Plantation Florida only a couple miles from the ATA...

Gabriel allegedly has worked for the ATA in the past...

Gabriel no longer posts on the SM fron page after I disclosed his relationship to the Aruba Tourism Authority among other things  :wink: ...

Related links;

http://i3.tinypic.com/169m8hx.jpg Gabriel Leo

http://i3.tinypic.com/169lvls.jpg Gabriel Leo

http://tinyurl.com/z3kfh Alabama Cease and desist against Caruba,Tradewinds (Plantation Florida - Issued days before Natalee went to Aruba)
 
http://i6.tinypic.com/1zbw6so.jpg Plantation Profile General

http://i6.tinypic.com/244p1ds.jpg Gabriel Leo’s Tickle site comment re: the ATA

Did you tell the arses that you are a physician?

Not only would I be contacting patients affair on this bogus doctor, I would be contacting my lawyer for a miss diagnosis. Did he put that in your chart notes/records? The nerve of the doctor to scare the bageebees out of you like that without the biopsies return or a specialist to determine the prognosis.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience!  Let me know if I can provide anything on the doctor in question  :wink:

There are alot more images related to the Shango posts here >

http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/

If you have difficulty accessing the folder let me know.

Wow, poor thing!  That's terrible all you've been through and I can't believe a doctor would say that.

Do you have an appointment to get the cyst removed yet?

YIKES THAT IS SCARY!!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

THESE MUST BE FROM HALLOWEEN

When it's time to go home he gives me Tylenol #3, which to me is like putting a birth control pill in your armpit to prevent pregnancy.

LMAO!

Who is her sweaty friend??

Let's call him a flaming +++++. Or we can suggest that the hospital needs to have better security in the looney ward. One of their patients got out and was pretending to be a physician.


Hope you will be ok SunFreak. Get plenty of rest and try not to lift anything or push around anything with substantial amount of weight to cause more pain.

Sunfreak,  our prayers are with you.  I do hope you will get this taken care of as soon as possible.   The pain is unbearable I know.

(http://i5.tinypic.com/34ybjhw.jpg)

Sunfreak - sorry to hear of your hospital experience... if you are a doc then you certainly know that just because those guys said you need surgery doesn't mean you can't get YOUR ob/gyn to give an opinion.. too many rush to cut up that area if you know what I mean...   Hope you are feeling better!!

Justinsmama - no, I never tell them I'm a Doctor. I don't want any preferential treatment.

DKPen - I have no idea what that first Dr charted.  But you don't do anyone the way he did me.  He walks in, drops a bomb on me, and then disappears before I have a chance to process what he just said. There is nothing to sue over, but I definitely want a letter of complaint placed in his file.

SunFreak,  is the cyst as large as the first doctor indicated?

I would want to have a look at my own chart records to see if that cracker jack box doctor wrote that diagnosis in your record or not, that would be my first agenda. That way you can ask for a copy and present it to back up your claim.

Sorry if I seem aggressive. I hate those kinds of doctors with a passion.
I have my own horror stories involving a similar situation so I can sympathize for you.  

You are in my  prayers all will be ok.

God bless~

TAKE YOUR PICK as to where those Shango posts came from...

Posner's ran Rufus NV in Planatation Florida and presently operate Aruba Aloe of America with a principal business address of 701 Brickell Avenue http://i7.tinypic.com/21kwjs5.jpg.  The counsel for "The Jews of America" also have a presence in that building in Miami, home of Ernesto Arambatzis, Jossy & Nuhad Mansur, and John Croes Deepak's associate.

hmmm  I wonder if the FBI has taken a closer look at those in Miami FL or Plantation FL with connections to Aruba. I would be interested to learn that one.

Holey Moley Sunfreak. You be good to yourself until you have that done.
ps... hope not too many ppl are reading this... I had that a few years ago. No time for anything, they gave me two days warning and admittted me. Very scary. No time for anything because there was something causing anaemia and they couldn't wait any longer. But, for me, it was not the worst thing that could have ever been, if you know what I mean.
The pathology was good afterwards. And I recovered and was grateful.  
I am signing off now but I will certainly think of you. And say a prayer.
And, I hope you have ppl around to help afterwards. I did ( even tho I am a tough and independent kat  ) and would have never have asked.

Yes, it's very large.  I will probably have the surgery on Weds as an outpatient.  It will be done by laproscopy and removed through the bellybutton.

I swear, my body thinks it's a teenager.  In the last few years, I've had mumps, mono, appendicitis.    :roll:

Night Kat Gram   :D

Outpatient ? Cool ! ! More than Cool ! !

Very interesting, Grande.  Sure sounds like something is not "kosher" between Aruba & it's Florida ties.

Not fun I'm sure and I feel for you.

Course depending on how you look at things it might have been worse like the lady who recently went to the hospital for a side ache and gave birth without knowing she was pregnant.

Grande-

Thank you for that map and all your hard work on the case, I am very visual so that map really does assist my frame of reference.

Sunfreak-

Majot {{HUG}} to you, I truly hate you went through all you did at the hands of a cold and obviously incompetent diagnostician. I can't imagine what you felt and thought in those moments, I am so sorry. I'll pray the surgery goes well and without event.

I think it was Justinsmamma who asked today how tylergal is  doing? She's home now but still on the mend, we need to keep her in our prayers for she has some challenging physical issues to contend with.

That one always blows my mind how these women cannot know they are pregnant.  :roll:   Denial maybe?

I could fill you in on alot given the opportunity.  Im sure you would be as disgusted as I remain.   Miami is one of the major facilitators of narco trafficking via Aruba for decades.  King Ocean Services, Inc. / Terminal Investments, Inc. / SystemOne Technologies, Inc. - Ticker Symbol: STEK formerly known as ATLANTIC ENTERTAINMENT principal business address of 444 Brickell Avenue now registered office of BANGBROTHERS, INC. should be CLOSELY EXAMINED - JMO!  

Three words...

NORTH VALLE CARTEL.

Grande, you've put together an impressive collection.  I'm only about halfway through, but I'll look at it all.  I've wondered if Shango's postings were somehow political statements.  As I read them, I kept coming across fairly obvious references to the political situation in the Caribbean islands.  Liberation seems to be a popular theme recurring throughout the islands, in music and in the Rasta traditions and folklore.  Some of the names like "Babylonians" are used on Jamaica to refer to the police, especially in racial conflicts.  I keep thinking that some of the names we are talking about are also involved in political struggles in the Caribbean, too.  Just speculating.

Heh, Heh, dunno, never been there myself.

Thank you all for your prayers & concerns for me.  It feels good to have this large monkey family wrap their arms around me.

I'm exhausted physically & emotionally, so I'm going to go to bed early.  Talk to you all tomorrow.

I was going to go away, but I didn't. Came back. Hey SunFreak, aren't you glad the first guy was a goofy quack ?

Nite Sunfreak - Hope you get a good nights sleep.  {{{HUGS}}}

Grande-

Another monkey who tracks visitors to SM regularly reported to me last night we've  had some stellar visitors from the Hague and our capital in the last day, I'll hope they are reviewing your body of work as well  :wink:

Carnut - somehow the idea of you pregnant makes me laugh uncontrollably, it just seems so fitting  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I have some new music so going to feast with my ears and have some zen time, hope all have a good night  - be safe and take care !!!

To my knowledge Bangbrothers is not at all affiliated with any of the aforementioned.  Some have suggested otherwise.  I have however speculated that PVDS visited the Bangros. HQ while in Miami last year.
That would only be applicable given Joran DID UPLOAD a video on to their servers likely located there at 444 Brickell.  In any event PVDS did go to Miami and most likely in order to either finance his son's defense team or in an attempt to conceal something that would implicate his son.  This all in my opinion ofcourse.