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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 - 6/10/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 02, 2009, 08:54:18 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 12:52:18 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 17, 2009, 12:52:50 PM
HA!!! Am I first!!!  ???   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 12:52:53 PM
::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning CBBarbarino........ ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 12:53:26 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::

We're still here for Natalee.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 17, 2009, 12:53:33 PM
Keep The Faith Cheated!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 12:55:45 PM
Keep The Faith Cheated!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 12:56:53 PM
Keep The Faith Cheated!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyTongue::

From reading the old Monkey heiroglyphics,passed on from CBB's great ancestors,i've come to understand that cheating to get to the next thread is a time honored tradition! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 12:59:40 PM
Keep The Faith Cheated!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyTongue::

From reading the old Monkey heiroglyphics,passed on from CBB's great ancestors,i've come to understand that cheating to get to the next thread is a time honored tradition! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Not to mention a certain mod gave you a lot of leeway by opening it long beforehand.  Just sayin'.....I guess you get your invisible medal, though.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 01:04:24 PM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 01:06:04 PM
Keep The Faith Cheated!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyTongue::

From reading the old Monkey heiroglyphics,passed on from CBB's great ancestors,i've come to understand that cheating to get to the next thread is a time honored tradition! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Not to mention a certain mod gave you a lot of leeway by opening it long beforehand.  Just sayin'.....I guess you get your invisible medal, though.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 

Me too!  Just in case she or Cageman happens to come here first...we would really appreciate some help understanding this article.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9095/5/#jc_allComments

Original text:

 

Casino na Holiday Inn a hera keda sin controlador di casino.     

Saturday, 16 May 2009 - 19:46 

Ultimo dianan aki e preparacion y discusion rond di a gamingboard a cuminsa lanta cabez atrobe. Tin manera un tension mey mey di e controladornan cu no sa kiko lo para cu nan. Parce cu e intencion ta pa elimina e control den porta di casinonan. Ta ser papia cu for di e proximo dianan kier cuminsa cu e maneho nobo cu un (1) controlador pa controla dos casino pareu. Esey ta algo contra ley segun e sindicato pasobra un casino no por habri si no tin controlador di casino na entrada. Diasabra mainta e controlador cu a bai traha na Holliday Inn a bin haya un sorpresa pasobra nan desk a desparece. Nan material di trabao no tabata tey. Sindicato a cay aden mesora. Click lesa mas pa sa kikoa pasa!

Despues di varios yamada parce cu e desk a bin bek na su lugar. Na Holliday Inn ta e unico casino cual a perde su prome desk. Por spera mas problema proximamente cu henter e asunto di controlador di casino.

Papiamentu translation:

casino at holiday inn owing to hera stay without controlador of casino.

saturday, 16 may 2009 - 19:46

ultimo dianan here the preparacion y discusion rond of owing to gamingboard owing to cuminsa arise cabez again. have as one tension mey mey of the controladornan cu not know what will stop cu they. seems cu the intencion is for elimina the control in door of casinonan. is being talk cu for of the proximo dianan wanted cuminsa cu the maneho new cu one (1) controlador for controla two casino equal. esey is algo contra ley according the sindicato because one casino not can open if not have controlador of casino at entrance. saturday morning the controlador cu owing to go work at holliday inn owing to come achieve one surprise because they desk owing to desparece. they material of trabao not was tey. sindicato owing to cay inside at once. click read more for know kikoa happen! after of several call seems cu the desk owing to come bek at his lugar. at holliday inn is the unique casino cual owing to lose his first desk. can wait for more problem proximamente cu all the asunto of controlador of casino. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: mytime on May 17, 2009, 01:14:17 PM
I just wanted to tell all of you something!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Last week, I went to the Bahamas.  Our cab driver knew quote a bit about the Aruban cover up.  At the card tables, people where talking about different vacation spots.  Everyone agreed to boycott Aruba because of Natalee.  Anytime I got the chance, I mentioned how despicable the Aruban government was.  Thankfully, I didn't have to say too much because I don't know too much - but people just willingly agreed to support the Holloway's and Twitty's and boycott Aruba.

To my amazement, everyone seemed to know Natalee's name and were disgusted by Aruba.  Many only refered to her as the Holloway girl but still agreed Aruba made a big mistake protecting Joran and his father.  Just thought I would share this with "yous."   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 01:16:26 PM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 

Me too!  Just in case she or Cageman happens to come here first...we would really appreciate some help understanding this article.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9095/5/#jc_allComments

Original text:

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Casino na Holiday Inn a hera keda sin controlador di casino.     

Saturday, 16 May 2009 - 19:46 

Ultimo dianan aki e preparacion y discusion rond di a gamingboard a cuminsa lanta cabez atrobe. Tin manera un tension mey mey di e controladornan cu no sa kiko lo para cu nan. Parce cu e intencion ta pa elimina e control den porta di casinonan. Ta ser papia cu for di e proximo dianan kier cuminsa cu e maneho nobo cu un (1) controlador pa controla dos casino pareu. Esey ta algo contra ley segun e sindicato pasobra un casino no por habri si no tin controlador di casino na entrada. Diasabra mainta e controlador cu a bai traha na Holliday Inn a bin haya un sorpresa pasobra nan desk a desparece. Nan material di trabao no tabata tey. Sindicato a cay aden mesora. Click lesa mas pa sa kikoa pasa!

Despues di varios yamada parce cu e desk a bin bek na su lugar. Na Holliday Inn ta e unico casino cual a perde su prome desk. Por spera mas problema proximamente cu henter e asunto di controlador di casino.

Papiamentu translation:

casino at holiday inn owing to hera stay without controlador of casino.

saturday, 16 may 2009 - 19:46

ultimo dianan here the preparacion y discusion rond of owing to gamingboard owing to cuminsa arise cabez again. have as one tension mey mey of the controladornan cu not know what will stop cu they. seems cu the intencion is for elimina the control in door of casinonan. is being talk cu for of the proximo dianan wanted cuminsa cu the maneho new cu one (1) controlador for controla two casino equal. esey is algo contra ley according the sindicato because one casino not can open if not have controlador of casino at entrance. saturday morning the controlador cu owing to go work at holliday inn owing to come achieve one surprise because they desk owing to desparece. they material of trabao not was tey. sindicato owing to cay inside at once. click read more for know kikoa happen! after of several call seems cu the desk owing to come bek at his lugar. at holliday inn is the unique casino cual owing to lose his first desk. can wait for more problem proximamente cu all the asunto of controlador of casino. come across


Edit to add the picture!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 01:18:48 PM
I just wanted to tell all of you something!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Last week, I went to the Bahamas.  Our cab driver knew quote a bit about the Aruban cover up.  At the card tables, people where talking about different vacation spots.  Everyone agreed to boycott Aruba because of Natalee.  Anytime I got the chance, I mentioned how despicable the Aruban government was.  Thankfully, I didn't have to say too much because I don't know too much - but people just willingly agreed to support the Holloway's and Twitty's and boycott Aruba.

To my amazement, everyone seemed to know Natalee's name and were disgusted by Aruba.  Many only refered to her as the Holloway girl but still agreed Aruba made a big mistake protecting Joran and his father.  Just thought I would share this with "yous."   ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks for sharing Mytime, here and there!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 01:18:59 PM
I just wanted to tell all of you something!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Last week, I went to the Bahamas.  Our cab driver knew quote a bit about the Aruban cover up.  At the card tables, people where talking about different vacation spots.  Everyone agreed to boycott Aruba because of Natalee.  Anytime I got the chance, I mentioned how despicable the Aruban government was.  Thankfully, I didn't have to say too much because I don't know too much - but people just willingly agreed to support the Holloway's and Twitty's and boycott Aruba.

To my amazement, everyone seemed to know Natalee's name and were disgusted by Aruba.  Many only refered to her as the Holloway girl but still agreed Aruba made a big mistake protecting Joran and his father.  Just thought I would share this with "yous."   ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you, mytime.   You's were missed, but glad you shared this.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 01:29:44 PM
I just wanted to tell all of you something!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Last week, I went to the Bahamas.  Our cab driver knew quote a bit about the Aruban cover up.  At the card tables, people where talking about different vacation spots.  Everyone agreed to boycott Aruba because of Natalee.  Anytime I got the chance, I mentioned how despicable the Aruban government was.  Thankfully, I didn't have to say too much because I don't know too much - but people just willingly agreed to support the Holloway's and Twitty's and boycott Aruba.

To my amazement, everyone seemed to know Natalee's name and were disgusted by Aruba.  Many only refered to her as the Holloway girl but still agreed Aruba made a big mistake protecting Joran and his father.  Just thought I would share this with "yous."   ::MonkeyWink::

                         ARUBA...AHATA...ATA...ARE YOU READING THIS????

    SO WILLING & ABLE TO DESTROY AN ISLAND FOR THE ELITES SICK,TWISTED PLEASURES....

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: mytime on May 17, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
I also made sure the dealers were part of the conversations.  The economy has really effected the Bahamas.  Aruba is/was a big competetion for them because of the Casino's -I asked them to spread the word.  They all seemed happy to oblige - even one of the Pit Bosses listened in and made a few negative comments about Aruba.   ::MonkeyWink::

Just another FYI - Howard Stern is not well liked on the Island now.  Many assume he sold the pictures of the Bahamas immigration minister on her bed.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 01:40:13 PM
http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/2009/vol2/116547.htm

2009 INCSR: Treaties and Agreements
Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs

2009 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report (INCSR)

February 27, 2009

Treaties

Mutual Legal Assistance Treaties (MLATs) allow generally for the exchange of evidence and information in criminal and ancillary matters. In money laundering cases, they can be extremely useful as a means of obtaining banking and other financial records from our treaty partners. MLATs, which are negotiated by the Department of State in cooperation with the Department of Justice to facilitate cooperation in criminal matters, including money laundering and asset forfeiture, are in force with the following countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Australia, Austria, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Belize, Brazil, Canada, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Dominica, Egypt, Estonia, France, France with respect to its overseas departments (French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Martinique) and collectivities (French Polynesia and Saint Martin), Greece, Grenada, Hungary, India, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Mexico, Morocco, the Netherlands, the Netherlands with respect to its Caribbean overseas territories (Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles), Nigeria, Panama, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Russia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Switzerland, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, the United Kingdom with respect to its Caribbean overseas territories (Anguilla, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, Montserrat, and the Turks and Caicos Islands), and Uruguay. The United States also has agreements in place for cooperation in criminal matters with Hong Kong (SAR) and the Peoples Republic of China (PRC). Mutual legal assistance agreements have been signed by the United States but not yet brought into force with the European Union and the following countries: Bermuda, Bulgaria, Colombia, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Sweden, and Venezuela. The United States is actively engaged in negotiating additional MLATs with countries around the world. The United States has also signed and ratified the Inter-American Convention on Mutual Legal Assistance of the Organization of American States and the United Nations Convention against Corruption.

Agreements

In addition to MLATs, the United States has entered into executive agreements on forfeiture cooperation, including: (1) an agreement with the United Kingdom providing for forfeiture assistance and asset sharing in narcotics cases; (2) a forfeiture cooperation and asset sharing agreement with the Kingdom of the Netherlands; and (3) a drug forfeiture agreement with Singapore. The United States has asset sharing agreements with Canada, the Cayman Islands (which was extended to Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Montserrat, and the Turks and Caicos Islands), Colombia, Ecuador, Jamaica, and Mexico.

Treasurys Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) has a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) or an exchange of letters in place with other financial intelligence units (FIUs) to facilitate the exchange of information between FinCEN and the respective countrys FIU. FinCEN has an MOU or an exchange of letters with the FIUs in Albania, Argentina, Aruba, Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Cayman Islands, Chile, Croatia, Cyprus, France, Guatemala, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Macedonia, Malaysia, Mexico, Montenegro, the Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles, Panama, Paraguay, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Slovenia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, the Money Laundering Prevention Commission of Taiwan and the United Kingdom.

Asset Sharing

Pursuant to the provisions of U.S. law, including 18 U.S.C. 981(i), 21 U.S.C. 881(e)(1)(E), and 31 U.S.C. 9703(h)(2), the Departments of Justice, State, and Treasury have aggressively sought to encourage foreign governments to cooperate in joint investigations of narcotics trafficking and money laundering, offering the possibility of sharing in forfeited assets. A parallel goal has been to encourage spending of these assets to improve narcotics related law enforcement. The long-term goal has been to encourage governments to improve asset forfeiture laws and procedures so they will be able to conduct investigations and prosecutions of narcotics trafficking and money laundering, which include asset forfeiture. The United States and its partners in the G-8 are currently pursuing a program to strengthen asset forfeiture regimes. To date, Canada, Cayman Islands, Hong Kong, Jersey, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom have shared forfeited assets with the United States.

From 1989 through December 2008, the international asset sharing program, administered by the Department of Justice, shared $229,580,918 with foreign governments that cooperated and assisted in the investigations. In 2008, the Department of Justice transferred $499,913.50 in forfeited proceeds to Canada. Prior recipients of shared assets include: Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, the Bahamas, Barbados, British Virgin Islands, Canada, Cayman Islands, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, Greece, Guatemala, Guernsey, Honduras, Hong Kong (SAR), Hungary, Indonesia, Isle of Man, Israel, Jordan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Netherlands Antilles, Paraguay, Peru, Romania, South Africa, Switzerland, Thailand, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and Venezuela.

From Fiscal Year (FY) 1994 through FY 2008, the international asset-sharing program administered by the Department of Treasury shared $28,025,669 with foreign governments that cooperated and assisted in successful forfeiture investigations. In FY 2008, the Department of Treasury transferred $218,657 in forfeited proceeds to Canada ($145,659), Guernsey ($18,690), and Palau ($54,308). Prior recipients of shared assets include: Aruba, Australia, the Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Canada, China, Dominican Republic, Egypt, Guernsey, Honduras, Isle of Man, Jersey, Mexico, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Panama, Portugal, Qatar, St. Vincent & the Grenadines, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 01:42:09 PM
I also made sure the dealers were part of the conversations.  The economy has really effected the Bahamas.  Aruba is/was a big competetion for them because of the Casino's -I asked them to spread the word.  They all seemed happy to oblige - even one of the Pit Bosses listened in and made a few negative comments about Aruba.   ::MonkeyWink::

Just another FYI - Howard Stern is not well liked on the Island now.  Many assume he sold the pictures of the Bahamas immigration minister on her bed.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Thanks again Mytime, great info!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: mytime on May 17, 2009, 01:49:34 PM
One last post on the subject.  It was a one those "you had to be there story."

PT only followed the Natalee story on the MSM, as I did.  During my time as Monkey, I have shared some of what I have learned with him.

One night, he had a little too much to drink and I was talking to people at the table about Aruba.  PT started saying - Yeah, F*** Aruba - within minutes he had the whole table saying it.  The dealers and others around us were all laughing. I think our whole table had too much to drink.  ::MonkeyDevil::

(PT is usually pretty quiet but he won at blackjack and decided to join me at 3 card poker and was in a rowdy mood).    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 01:50:32 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 02:08:37 PM
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/120055.pdf

Aruba

Aruba is a semi-autonomous constituent part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands; authority over
foreign affairs, defense, some judicial functions, human rights, and good governance issue are retained
by the Kingdom. Due to its geographic location, casinos, and free trade zones, Aruba is both attractive
and vulnerable to narcotics trafficking and money laundering.

Aruba has four commercial and one offshore bank, one mortgage bank, one credit union, an
investment bank, a finance company, seven life and general insurance companies, and eleven casinos.
The island also has four registered money transmitters, two exempted U.S. money transmitters (Money
Gram and Western Union), 13 nonlife and general insurance companies, four captive insurance
companies, and 11 company pension funds. There are approximately 5,343 limited liability companies
of which 372 are offshore limited liability companies or offshore NVs, which were to have ceased
operation in 2008. In addition, there are approximately 2,763 Aruba Exempt Companies (AECs),
which mainly serve as vehicles for tax minimization, corporate revenue routing, and asset protection
and management.


The offshore NVs and the AECs are the primary methods used for international tax planning in Aruba.
The offshore NVs pay a small percentage tax and are subject to more regulation than the AECs. The
AECs pay an annual $280 registration fee and must have a minimum of $6,000 in authorized capital.
Both offshore NVs and AECs can issue bearer shares. A local managing director is required for
offshore NVs. The AECs must have a local registered agent, which must be a trust company.


In 2001, the Government of Aruba (GOA) made a commitment to the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development (OECD), in connection with the Harmful Tax Practices initiative, to
modernize fiscal legislation in line with OECD standards. In 2003, the GOA introduced a New Fiscal
Regime (NFR) containing a dividend tax and imputation payment. As of July 1, 2003, the
incorporation of low tax offshore NVs was halted. The NFR contains a specific exemption for the
AECs. Nevertheless, as a result of commitments to the OECD, the regime was brought in line with
OECD standards as of January 2006. As a result of the NFR, Arubas offshore regime ceased
operations by July 1, 2008.

Aruba currently has three designated free zones: Oranjestad Free Zone, Bushiri Free Zone, and the
Barcadera Free Zone. The free zones are managed and operated by Free Zone Aruba (FZA) NV, a
government limited liability company. Originally, only companies involved in trade or light industrial
activities, including servicing, repairing and maintenance of goods with a foreign destination, could be
licensed to operate within the free zones. However, State Ordinance Free Zones 2000 extended
licensing to service-oriented companies (excluding financial services). Before being admitted to
operate in the free zone, companies must submit a business plan along with personal data of managing
directors, shareholders, and ultimate beneficiaries, and must establish a limited liability company
founded under Aruban law intended exclusively for free zone operations. Aruba took the initiative in
the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force (CFATF) to develop regional standards for free zones in
an effort to control trade-based money laundering. The guidelines were adopted at the CFATF
Ministerial Meeting in October 2001. Free Zone Aruba NV is continuing the process of implementing
and auditing the standards that have been developed.

The Central Bank of Aruba is the supervisory and regulatory authority for banks, insurance
companies, company pension funds, and money transfer companies and is responsible for on-site and
off-site examinations. However, the Central Bank has not conducted any on-site examinations of its
offshore banks.
The State Ordinance on the Supervision of Insurance Business (SOSIB) brought all
insurance companies under the supervision of the Central Bank. The insurance companies already
active before the introduction of this ordinance were also required to obtain a license from the Central
Bank. The State Ordinance on the Supervision of Money-Transfer Companies, effective August 2003,
places money transfer companies under the supervision of the Central Bank. Quarterly reporting
requirements became effective in 2004. A State Ordinance on the supervision of trust companies,
which will designate the Central Bank as the supervisory authority, is currently being drafted. Draft
legislation to regulate company service providers is also in legislative review.

Arubas State Ordinance Penalization Money Laundering of 1993 (AB 1993 no. 70) was repealed in
2006 through amendments to the Penal Code (AB 2006 no. 11). The GOAs anti-money laundering
legislation extends to all crimes, and the Penal Code allows for conviction-based forfeiture of assets.
All financial and nonfinancial institutions, which include banks, money remitters, brokers, insurance
companies, and casinos, are obligated to identify clients that conduct transactions over 20,000 Aruban
florins $11,300), and report suspicious transactions to Arubas financial intelligence unit (FIU), the
Meldpunt Ongebruikelijke Transacties (MOT). Obligated entities are protected from liability for
reporting suspicious transactions. The GOAs anti-money laundering requirements do not extend to
such nonfinancial businesses and professions as lawyers, accountants, the real estate sector, or dealers
in precious metals and jewels.


The MOT was established in 1996. The MOT is authorized to inspect all obligated entities for
compliance with reporting requirements for suspicious transactions and the identification requirements
for all financial transactions. The MOT is currently staffed by 10 employees. In 2007, the MOT
received approximately 5,715 suspicious transaction reports (STRs) resulting in 180 investigations
conducted and 47 cases transferred to the appropriate authorities (statistics for 2008 are not available).
The MOT reports that very few STRs are filed by the gaming and insurance sectors.

In June 2000, Aruba enacted a State Ordinance making it a legal requirement to report the cross-border
transportation of currency in excess of 20,000 Aruban florins ($11,300) to the Customs Department.
The law also applies to express courier mail services. Reports generated are forwarded to the MOT to
review, and in 2007, approximately 820 such reports were submitted.

The MOT shares information with other national government departments. In April 2003, the MOT
signed an information exchange agreement with the Aruba Tax Office, which is in effect and being
implemented. The MOT and the Central Bank have also signed an information exchange
memorandum of understanding (MOU), effective January 2006. The MOT is not linked electronically
to the police or prosecutors office. The MOT is a member of the Egmont Group and is authorized by
law to share information with members of the Egmont Group through MOUs.

In 2004, the Penal Code of Aruba was modified to criminalize terrorism, the financing of terrorism,
and related criminal acts. The GOA has a local committee comprised of officials from different
departments of the Aruban Government, under the leadership of the MOT, to oversee the
implementation of Financial Action Task Force (FATF) Forty Recommendations on Money
Laundering and Nine Special Recommendations on Terrorist Financing. The local committee, FATF
Committee Aruba, reviewed the GOA anti-money laundering legislation and proposed, in accordance
with the FATF Nine Special Recommendations on Terrorist Financing, amendments to existing
legislation and introduction of new laws. In 2007, the Parliament of Aruba approved the Ordinance on
Sanctions 2006 (AB 2007 no. 24), to enhance the GOAs compliance with the FATF Special
Recommendations. The GOA and the Netherlands formed a separate committee in 2004 to ensure
cooperation of agencies within the Kingdom of the Netherlands in the fight against cross-border
organized crime and international terrorism.

The bilateral agreement between the Kingdom of the Netherlands (KON) and the United States
Government (USG) regarding mutual cooperation in the tracing, freezing, seizure, and forfeiture of
proceeds and instrumentalities of crime and the sharing of forfeited assets, which entered into force in
1994, applies to Aruba. The Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty between the KON and the USG also
applies to Aruba, though it is not applicable to requests for assistance relating to fiscal offenses
addressed to Aruba. The Tax Information Exchange Agreement with the United States, signed in
November 2003, became effective in September 2004.

The KON extended application of the 1988 UN Drug Convention to Aruba in 1999, the UN
International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism in 2005, and the UN
Convention against Transnational Organized Crime in 2007. The Kingdom has not yet extended
application of the UN Convention against Corruption to Aruba. Aruba participates in the Financial
Action Task Force (FATF) as part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and underwent a mutual
evaluation in November 2008. The GOA is also a member of CFATF. The MOT became a member of
the Egmont Group in 1997. Aruba is also a member of the Offshore Group of Banking Supervisors.

The Government of Aruba has shown a commitment to combating money laundering and terrorist
financing by establishing an anti-money laundering and counterterrorist financing regime that is
generally consistent with the recommendations of the FATF and CFATF. Aruba should take additional
steps to immobilize bearer shares under its fiscal framework and to enact its long-pending ordinance
addressing the supervision of trust companies.
The GOA should ensure that all obligated entities are
fully complying with their anti-money laundering and counterterrorist financing reporting
requirements, and consider extending these reporting requirements to designated nonfinancial
businesses and professions.


3/4/2009 Awe Mainta (And in several other editions of this and other local papers)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 02:09:42 PM
That last post DID NOT look like that in the preview...I don't know what happened...sorry!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 02:12:07 PM
One last post on the subject.  It was a one those "you had to be there story."

PT only followed the Natalee story on the MSM, as I did.  During my time as Monkey, I have shared some of what I have learned with him.

One night, he had a little too much to drink and I was talking to people at the table about Aruba.  PT started saying - Yeah, F*** Aruba - within minutes he had the whole table saying it.  The dealers and others around us were all laughing. I think our whole table had too much to drink.  ::MonkeyDevil::

(PT is usually pretty quiet but he won at blackjack and decided to join me at 3 card poker and was in a rowdy mood).    ::MonkeyDevil::


Man, I wish I could've been a fly on the wall for that one!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 02:12:58 PM
Wholly Frijoles....That's alotta companies for such a small island..Offshore or not!Shining another light on such a dirty island.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 02:14:07 PM
One last post on the subject.  It was a one those "you had to be there story."

PT only followed the Natalee story on the MSM, as I did.  During my time as Monkey, I have shared some of what I have learned with him.

One night, he had a little too much to drink and I was talking to people at the table about Aruba.  PT started saying - Yeah, F*** Aruba - within minutes he had the whole table saying it.  The dealers and others around us were all laughing. I think our whole table had too much to drink.  ::MonkeyDevil::

(PT is usually pretty quiet but he won at blackjack and decided to join me at 3 card poker and was in a rowdy mood).    ::MonkeyDevil::


Man, I wish I could've been a fly on the wall for that one!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::

And risk being an entree for Kermit..Are you crazy..... ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 02:14:47 PM
I just wanted to tell all of you something!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Last week, I went to the Bahamas.  Our cab driver knew quote a bit about the Aruban cover up.  At the card tables, people where talking about different vacation spots.  Everyone agreed to boycott Aruba because of Natalee.  Anytime I got the chance, I mentioned how despicable the Aruban government was.  Thankfully, I didn't have to say too much because I don't know too much - but people just willingly agreed to support the Holloway's and Twitty's and boycott Aruba.

To my amazement, everyone seemed to know Natalee's name and were disgusted by Aruba.  Many only refered to her as the Holloway girl but still agreed Aruba made a big mistake protecting Joran and his father.  Just thought I would share this with "yous."   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyDance::
yous too funny!


Just wanted to pass along once again, since LoRAIN has been reading at SM.
I did not say it LoRAIN so blaming me is just the same way you and the other members blame me for what Kyle said, the same way you and the other members continue to lie rather then bring some proof that the Pond search was not a hoax by Capalockwizard, that the cage/trap evidence was taken by ONLY ARUBAN POLICE, the same way Jug was lied to saying
I said that the family has Natalee's body, etc.  My suggestion is read posts in their entirety so that you understand completely who is saying what about you and therefore you won't be mislead or would you be trying to jump on the lying bandwagon so you can fit in and the leak is correct that you are nothing more then "A PLANT"!


The LEAK SAID about LoRain:

quote:Tue Jun 24, 2008 Gold Monkey forum & chat has nothing to do with SM. Carnut started it so some of us who are disgruntled with the redassedbaboon at SM would have a place to go & chat.
IMO LoRain is a plant. Debbie from BFN also tried to join there today LOL end quote.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 02:17:09 PM
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/120055.pdf

Aruba

Aruba is a semi-autonomous constituent part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands; authority over
foreign affairs, defense, some judicial functions, human rights, and good governance issue are retained
by the Kingdom. Due to its geographic location, casinos, and free trade zones, Aruba is both attractive
and vulnerable to narcotics trafficking and money laundering.

Aruba has four commercial and one offshore bank, one mortgage bank, one credit union, an
investment bank, a finance company, seven life and general insurance companies, and eleven casinos.
The island also has four registered money transmitters, two exempted U.S. money transmitters (Money
Gram and Western Union), 13 nonlife and general insurance companies, four captive insurance
companies, and 11 company pension funds. There are approximately 5,343 limited liability companies
of which 372 are offshore limited liability companies or offshore NVs, which were to have ceased
operation in 2008. In addition, there are approximately 2,763 Aruba Exempt Companies (AECs),
which mainly serve as vehicles for tax minimization, corporate revenue routing, and asset protection
and management.


The offshore NVs and the AECs are the primary methods used for international tax planning in Aruba.
The offshore NVs pay a small percentage tax and are subject to more regulation than the AECs. The
AECs pay an annual $280 registration fee and must have a minimum of $6,000 in authorized capital.
Both offshore NVs and AECs can issue bearer shares. A local managing director is required for
offshore NVs. The AECs must have a local registered agent, which must be a trust company.


In 2001, the Government of Aruba (GOA) made a commitment to the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development (OECD), in connection with the Harmful Tax Practices initiative, to
modernize fiscal legislation in line with OECD standards. In 2003, the GOA introduced a New Fiscal
Regime (NFR) containing a dividend tax and imputation payment. As of July 1, 2003, the
incorporation of low tax offshore NVs was halted. The NFR contains a specific exemption for the
AECs. Nevertheless, as a result of commitments to the OECD, the regime was brought in line with
OECD standards as of January 2006. As a result of the NFR, Arubas offshore regime ceased
operations by July 1, 2008.

Aruba currently has three designated free zones: Oranjestad Free Zone, Bushiri Free Zone, and the
Barcadera Free Zone. The free zones are managed and operated by Free Zone Aruba (FZA) NV, a
government limited liability company. Originally, only companies involved in trade or light industrial
activities, including servicing, repairing and maintenance of goods with a foreign destination, could be
licensed to operate within the free zones. However, State Ordinance Free Zones 2000 extended
licensing to service-oriented companies (excluding financial services). Before being admitted to
operate in the free zone, companies must submit a business plan along with personal data of managing
directors, shareholders, and ultimate beneficiaries, and must establish a limited liability company
founded under Aruban law intended exclusively for free zone operations. Aruba took the initiative in
the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force (CFATF) to develop regional standards for free zones in
an effort to control trade-based money laundering. The guidelines were adopted at the CFATF
Ministerial Meeting in October 2001. Free Zone Aruba NV is continuing the process of implementing
and auditing the standards that have been developed.

The Central Bank of Aruba is the supervisory and regulatory authority for banks, insurance
companies, company pension funds, and money transfer companies and is responsible for on-site and
off-site examinations. However, the Central Bank has not conducted any on-site examinations of its
offshore banks.
The State Ordinance on the Supervision of Insurance Business (SOSIB) brought all
insurance companies under the supervision of the Central Bank. The insurance companies already
active before the introduction of this ordinance were also required to obtain a license from the Central
Bank. The State Ordinance on the Supervision of Money-Transfer Companies, effective August 2003,
places money transfer companies under the supervision of the Central Bank. Quarterly reporting
requirements became effective in 2004. A State Ordinance on the supervision of trust companies,
which will designate the Central Bank as the supervisory authority, is currently being drafted. Draft
legislation to regulate company service providers is also in legislative review.

Arubas State Ordinance Penalization Money Laundering of 1993 (AB 1993 no. 70) was repealed in
2006 through amendments to the Penal Code (AB 2006 no. 11). The GOAs anti-money laundering
legislation extends to all crimes, and the Penal Code allows for conviction-based forfeiture of assets.
All financial and nonfinancial institutions, which include banks, money remitters, brokers, insurance
companies, and casinos, are obligated to identify clients that conduct transactions over 20,000 Aruban
florins $11,300), and report suspicious transactions to Arubas financial intelligence unit (FIU), the
Meldpunt Ongebruikelijke Transacties (MOT). Obligated entities are protected from liability for
reporting suspicious transactions. The GOAs anti-money laundering requirements do not extend to
such nonfinancial businesses and professions as lawyers, accountants, the real estate sector, or dealers
in precious metals and jewels.


The MOT was established in 1996. The MOT is authorized to inspect all obligated entities for
compliance with reporting requirements for suspicious transactions and the identification requirements
for all financial transactions. The MOT is currently staffed by 10 employees. In 2007, the MOT
received approximately 5,715 suspicious transaction reports (STRs) resulting in 180 investigations
conducted and 47 cases transferred to the appropriate authorities (statistics for 2008 are not available).
The MOT reports that very few STRs are filed by the gaming and insurance sectors.

In June 2000, Aruba enacted a State Ordinance making it a legal requirement to report the cross-border
transportation of currency in excess of 20,000 Aruban florins ($11,300) to the Customs Department.
The law also applies to express courier mail services. Reports generated are forwarded to the MOT to
review, and in 2007, approximately 820 such reports were submitted.

The MOT shares information with other national government departments. In April 2003, the MOT
signed an information exchange agreement with the Aruba Tax Office, which is in effect and being
implemented. The MOT and the Central Bank have also signed an information exchange
memorandum of understanding (MOU), effective January 2006. The MOT is not linked electronically
to the police or prosecutors office. The MOT is a member of the Egmont Group and is authorized by
law to share information with members of the Egmont Group through MOUs.

In 2004, the Penal Code of Aruba was modified to criminalize terrorism, the financing of terrorism,
and related criminal acts. The GOA has a local committee comprised of officials from different
departments of the Aruban Government, under the leadership of the MOT, to oversee the
implementation of Financial Action Task Force (FATF) Forty Recommendations on Money
Laundering and Nine Special Recommendations on Terrorist Financing. The local committee, FATF
Committee Aruba, reviewed the GOA anti-money laundering legislation and proposed, in accordance
with the FATF Nine Special Recommendations on Terrorist Financing, amendments to existing
legislation and introduction of new laws. In 2007, the Parliament of Aruba approved the Ordinance on
Sanctions 2006 (AB 2007 no. 24), to enhance the GOAs compliance with the FATF Special
Recommendations. The GOA and the Netherlands formed a separate committee in 2004 to ensure
cooperation of agencies within the Kingdom of the Netherlands in the fight against cross-border
organized crime and international terrorism.

The bilateral agreement between the Kingdom of the Netherlands (KON) and the United States
Government (USG) regarding mutual cooperation in the tracing, freezing, seizure, and forfeiture of
proceeds and instrumentalities of crime and the sharing of forfeited assets, which entered into force in
1994, applies to Aruba. The Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty between the KON and the USG also
applies to Aruba, though it is not applicable to requests for assistance relating to fiscal offenses
addressed to Aruba. The Tax Information Exchange Agreement with the United States, signed in
November 2003, became effective in September 2004.

The KON extended application of the 1988 UN Drug Convention to Aruba in 1999, the UN
International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism in 2005, and the UN
Convention against Transnational Organized Crime in 2007. The Kingdom has not yet extended
application of the UN Convention against Corruption to Aruba. Aruba participates in the Financial
Action Task Force (FATF) as part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and underwent a mutual
evaluation in November 2008. The GOA is also a member of CFATF. The MOT became a member of
the Egmont Group in 1997. Aruba is also a member of the Offshore Group of Banking Supervisors.

The Government of Aruba has shown a commitment to combating money laundering and terrorist
financing by establishing an anti-money laundering and counterterrorist financing regime that is
generally consistent with the recommendations of the FATF and CFATF. Aruba should take additional
steps to immobilize bearer shares under its fiscal framework and to enact its long-pending ordinance
addressing the supervision of trust companies.
The GOA should ensure that all obligated entities are
fully complying with their anti-money laundering and counterterrorist financing reporting
requirements, and consider extending these reporting requirements to designated nonfinancial
businesses and professions.


3/4/2009 Awe Mainta (And in several other editions of this and other local papers)

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Thank you texasmom!

Corrupt all the way to the bone.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 02:32:35 PM
One last post on the subject.  It was a one those "you had to be there story."

PT only followed the Natalee story on the MSM, as I did.  During my time as Monkey, I have shared some of what I have learned with him.

One night, he had a little too much to drink and I was talking to people at the table about Aruba.  PT started saying - Yeah, F*** Aruba - within minutes he had the whole table saying it.  The dealers and others around us were all laughing. I think our whole table had too much to drink.  ::MonkeyDevil::

(PT is usually pretty quiet but he won at blackjack and decided to join me at 3 card poker and was in a rowdy mood).    ::MonkeyDevil::


Man, I wish I could've been a fly on the wall for that one!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::

And risk being an entree for Kermit..Are you crazy..... ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 02:38:20 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 02:40:21 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?

Me thinks we've not seen the last of Capslockgizzard in one form or another.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 02:43:53 PM
I just wanted to tell all of you something!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Last week, I went to the Bahamas.  Our cab driver knew quote a bit about the Aruban cover up.  At the card tables, people where talking about different vacation spots.  Everyone agreed to boycott Aruba because of Natalee.  Anytime I got the chance, I mentioned how despicable the Aruban government was.  Thankfully, I didn't have to say too much because I don't know too much - but people just willingly agreed to support the Holloway's and Twitty's and boycott Aruba.

To my amazement, everyone seemed to know Natalee's name and were disgusted by Aruba.  Many only refered to her as the Holloway girl but still agreed Aruba made a big mistake protecting Joran and his father.  Just thought I would share this with "yous."   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyDance::
yous too funny!


Just wanted to pass along once again, since LoRAIN has been reading at SM.
I did not say it LoRAIN so blaming me is just the same way you and the other members blame me for what Kyle said, the same way you and the other members continue to lie rather then bring some proof that the Pond search was not a hoax by Capalockwizard, that the cage/trap evidence was taken by ONLY ARUBAN POLICE, the same way Jug was lied to saying
I said that the family has Natalee's body, etc.  My suggestion is read posts in their entirety so that you understand completely who is saying what about you and therefore you won't be mislead or would you be trying to jump on the lying bandwagon so you can fit in and the leak is correct that you are nothing more then "A PLANT"!


The LEAK SAID about LoRain:

quote:Tue Jun 24, 2008 Gold Monkey forum & chat has nothing to do with SM. Carnut started it so some of us who are disgruntled with the redassedbaboon at SM would have a place to go & chat.
IMO LoRain is a plant. Debbie from BFN also tried to join there today LOL end quote.


JMO, but it seems to me...if Lorain's going to post on every forum available, she would at least learn how to press the "quote" button instead of copying everything she responds to without noting who said what she copied.  It would certainly prevent a lot of confusion regarding her posts! 

But then again...maybe that's the intention!    ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 02:47:06 PM
OFFSHORE BANKING: IF you wanted to set up a business in Aruba you would need to set up a bank account You would send the documents to Aruba and you'd need an attorney to do the paperwork basically to approve you. Because you are not doing it in person you would go to what is called an Apostille.

You get an Apostille at the CENTRAL BUREAU LEGAL AND GENERAL AFFAIRS
http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm#aruba

WHERE PAULUS WORKED in 2004 - 2005 he said in his interview.

Now, remember that paulus van der Sloot worked at

8. "in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba."

2005-Aruba: Competent Authority: Centraal Bureau Juridische Zaken en Algemene
Zaken (Central Bureau Legal and General Affairs),
Att. Ms. Cecilia Solagnier,
Vondellaan 19-C, Oranjestad, Aruba; tel: 011-297-835002; fax: 011-297-831772
http://tinyurl.com/dm45an

PROFESSIONAL OFFSHORE INCORPORATION AND OFFSHORE BANKING SERVICES SINCE 1995.



Q. What is an Apostille?

An Apostille is a form of verification issued by Competent Authority in the country verifying the signature and sealof a notary or other public officer, so that the document bearing his/her signature and seal can take effect in countries which have ratified the Hauge Convention for the Abolition of Consular Legtalistation of 1961. It is normally possible to obtain the Apostille on a same day or next day basis.
http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm


2005
Olivia Maria Croes
Legal Advisor
Department of Foreign Affairs
Ministry of General Affairs
J.E.Trausquinplein 2A, Oranjestad
Aruba
Tel: 297 583 4705
Fax: 297 583 4660
omcroes@arubaforeignaffairs.com
http://tinyurl.com/cbd5y3


Felix Rolando Elias Bijlhout
Chief Officer Policy and Legal Affairs
Department of Immigration and Naturalization
Ministry of Justice
Caya Dick Cooper #11, San Nicolas, Aruba
Aruba
Tel: 297 584 3322 or 297 584 4191
Fax: 297 584 3258
Felix.Bijlhout@aruba.gov.aw
felixbeyond@yahoo.com


Gwendolyn Marcelle Naomi Maduro
Policy and Legal Affairs Officer
Department of Immigration and Naturalization
Minstry of Justice
Caya Dick Cooper 11, San Nicolas, Aruba
Aruba
Tel: 297 584 3082 or 297 584 3322 x233
Fax: 297 584 3258
gwendolynmaduro@yahoo.com
gwendolyn.maduro@aruba.gov.aw


Judge Smid was an expert in money laundering. He fled the island and faxed a reversal decision to let Joran go free and he was the Judge that let Paulus go free.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal is the Judge who ruled to keep the security Guards in detainment.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Judge Bob Witt - denied search of the van der sloot property entirely


Paulus was friends with all the judges, he also was working at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba."
Paulus said in an interview:


"Before this happened I was in the middle of a change. In 2004-2005 I worked I Den Bosch as a judge in training concerning civil cases.


Netherlands has five higher courts. They are: Amsterdam, The Hague, Arnhem, Leeuwarden and Den Bosch.


So Paulus was working for one of the 5 higher courts and doing contracts for the Central Bureau of Legal & General Affairs on Aruba - the place that people who want to set up a business must go to in order to get their bank account/business set up in Aruba with OFFSHORE BANKING.


OFFSHORE BANKING - money laundering experts!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?

Me thinks we've not seen the last of Capslockgizzard in one form or another.. ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed Aussie Mum aka/Mum in Ohio is still defending the four headed monster.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 02:52:54 PM
The LEAK SAID about LoRain:

quote:Tue Jun 24, 2008 Gold Monkey forum & chat has nothing to do with SM. Carnut started it so some of us who are disgruntled with the redassedbaboon at SM would have a place to go & chat.
IMO LoRain is a plant. Debbie from BFN also tried to join there today LOL end quote.


JMO, but it seems to me...if Lorain's going to post on every forum available, she would at least learn how to press the "quote" button instead of copying everything she responds to without noting who said what she copied.  It would certainly prevent a lot of confusion regarding her posts! 

But then again...maybe that's the intention!    ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
[/quote]

SS posted that I made fun of LoRain's disabilities.  I didn't even know LoRain had a disability.

I was told LoRain is Reality.
I was told LoRain is a plant.
SS says she is disabled!
LoRain says she is on Paxil.

go figger!!!!!!!!


 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 02:52:56 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?

Me thinks we've not seen the last of Capslockgizzard in one form or another.. ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed Aussie Mum aka/Mum in Ohio is still defending the four headed monster.

Isn't that somethin..Upholding friends of Deepak,Satish,as well as Joran...And you say your for Justice for Natalee Holloway..Me thinks something is very wrong with that logic.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?

Me thinks we've not seen the last of Capslockgizzard in one form or another.. ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed Aussie Mum aka/Mum in Ohio is still defending the four headed monster.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
well bleachedblack must have not gotten the message cuz she posted one of their IPS spying on them
 HA HA HA



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 02:56:34 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?

Me thinks we've not seen the last of Capslockgizzard in one form or another.. ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed Aussie Mum aka/Mum in Ohio is still defending the four headed monster.

Isn't that somethin..Upholding friends of Deepak,Satish,as well as Joran...And you say your for Justice for Natalee Holloway..Me thinks something is very wrong with that logic.. ::MonkeyCool::

Despicable - American Traitors in my opinion!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 02:57:43 PM
The LEAK SAID about LoRain:

quote:Tue Jun 24, 2008 Gold Monkey forum & chat has nothing to do with SM. Carnut started it so some of us who are disgruntled with the redassedbaboon at SM would have a place to go & chat.
IMO LoRain is a plant. Debbie from BFN also tried to join there today LOL end quote.


JMO, but it seems to me...if Lorain's going to post on every forum available, she would at least learn how to press the "quote" button instead of copying everything she responds to without noting who said what she copied.  It would certainly prevent a lot of confusion regarding her posts! 

But then again...maybe that's the intention!    ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

SS posted that I made fun of LoRain's disabilities.  I didn't even know LoRain had a disability.

I was told LoRain is Reality.
I was told LoRain is a plant.
SS says she is disabled!
LoRain says she is on Paxil.

go figger!!!!!!!!


 


[/quote]

I don't think LowRain is Reality.   LowRain is in a tiny little town in South Alabama.
I think she is just anybody's dog that will hunt with her......and those kind of people are dangerous.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 02:59:41 PM
Kermit

OFFSHORE BANKING - money laundering experts!

KTF

It would really be interesting to know what cut Paulus was getting from setting up things of this nature?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: mytime on May 17, 2009, 03:00:16 PM
I have a dumb question??  Could some one (Kermit - LOL) tell me what "the leak" means?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 03:00:45 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?

Me thinks we've not seen the last of Capslockgizzard in one form or another.. ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed Aussie Mum aka/Mum in Ohio is still defending the four headed monster.

And still claiming to live in Ohio, maybe she doesn't know what the Dark Lord told everyone about her!     

::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 03:01:55 PM
The LEAK SAID about LoRain:

quote:Tue Jun 24, 2008 Gold Monkey forum & chat has nothing to do with SM. Carnut started it so some of us who are disgruntled with the redassedbaboon at SM would have a place to go & chat.
IMO LoRain is a plant. Debbie from BFN also tried to join there today LOL end quote.


JMO, but it seems to me...if Lorain's going to post on every forum available, she would at least learn how to press the "quote" button instead of copying everything she responds to without noting who said what she copied.  It would certainly prevent a lot of confusion regarding her posts! 

But then again...maybe that's the intention!    ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

SS posted that I made fun of LoRain's disabilities.  I didn't even know LoRain had a disability.

I was told LoRain is Reality.
I was told LoRain is a plant.
SS says she is disabled!
LoRain says she is on Paxil.

go figger!!!!!!!!


 


[/quote]

I wondered what that disability comment was about....I remember now that you mention it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:02:01 PM
I have a dumb question??  Could some one (Kermit - LOL) tell me what "the leak" means?

yapperz


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 03:02:06 PM
Kermit

OFFSHORE BANKING - money laundering experts!

KTF

It would really be interesting to know what cut Paulus was getting from setting up things of this nature?


I think Paulus hit the jackpot when he sat up the accounts for Posner.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:02:43 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?

Me thinks we've not seen the last of Capslockgizzard in one form or another.. ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed Aussie Mum aka/Mum in Ohio is still defending the four headed monster.

And still claiming to live in Ohio, maybe she doesn't know what the Dark Lord told everyone about her!     

::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

What did he say?

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 17, 2009, 03:07:55 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
Kermit

OFFSHORE BANKING - money laundering experts!

KTF

It would really be interesting to know what cut Paulus was getting from setting up things of this nature?


I think Paulus hit the jackpot when he sat up the accounts for Posner.

I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4487.0


"Paulus is a known high-stakes poker player."
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63316


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Paulus1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Wideviewcasino.jpg)

 As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html

TJ: Some of this information we have, we are not going to expose right now. I can tell you that from the information we have, Paul Van der Sloot was directly involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
(Court TV Interview with TJ Ward, David Wright from the National Enquirer and CATHERINE CRIER Sept 26, 2005)



(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7117/slootfamse9.jpg)
Joran bijna een jaar oud - samen met rijn ouders op de bank in Arnhem
TRANSLATED:
Joran almost a year old - with rijn parents on the bank in Arnhem





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:13:04 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:13:59 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!
plus: Capslockwizard, Kawish M. Lorenzo Webb, Mark Purcell, and a couple of others.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 17, 2009, 03:16:07 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 03:17:04 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!



Good for you, Kermit! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 03:23:58 PM
Quote
The LEAK SAID about LoRain:

quote:Tue Jun 24, 2008 Gold Monkey forum & chat has nothing to do with SM. Carnut started it so some of us who are disgruntled with the redassedbaboon at SM would have a place to go & chat.
IMO LoRain is a plant. Debbie from BFN also tried to join there today LOL end quote.


JMO, but it seems to me...if Lorain's going to post on every forum available, she would at least learn how to press the "quote" button instead of copying everything she responds to without noting who said what she copied.  It would certainly prevent a lot of confusion regarding her posts! 

But then again...maybe that's the intention!    ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

SS posted that I made fun of LoRain's disabilities.  I didn't even know LoRain had a disability.

I was told LoRain is Reality.
I was told LoRain is a plant.
SS says she is disabled!
LoRain says she is on Paxil.

go figger!!!!!!!!

Makes sense to me.  Seems like a very probable cover for reality imo, think about everything you know about the poster....I mean reallllllllly.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Based on her posting history...usually SS only says what she has been told.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: mytime on May 17, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
I have a dumb question??  Could some one (Kermit - LOL) tell me what "the leak" means?

yapperz

Thank you Kermit - but I guess my real question is - how did she get that reputation/nickname?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 03:26:33 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 03:29:19 PM
What has happened to CapsLockWizard?  Is his four headed self still posting with those people
who consider it their hero or has he vanished into oblivion?

Me thinks we've not seen the last of Capslockgizzard in one form or another.. ::MonkeyCool::

I noticed Aussie Mum aka/Mum in Ohio is still defending the four headed monster.

And still claiming to live in Ohio, maybe she doesn't know what the Dark Lord told everyone about her!     

::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


What did he say?

 ::MonkeyDance::

okay...I guess maybe he didn't tell everyone

IIRC....Without detail I'll just say he claimed to have pegged where she was really from when she first came here.  I didn't really care about those things so I didn't pay much attention to it at the time.  But a recent post of hers reminded me of that conversation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:31:12 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?

Yes I think that is why the person who found this was alerted.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 17, 2009, 03:35:02 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?

Yes I think that is why the person who found this was alerted.


Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 03:36:40 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?

Yes I think that is why the person who found this was alerted.



Aruba simply needs to give Natalee Holloway back.Period...Anytime Aruba is in the press they will NEVER,and i mean NEVER,escape the horror of what they've not only done to Natalee,her family but,countless numbers of other people without voices...The curtain to the nightmare called Aruba has been pulled for all to see!It is..ONE SICK ISLAND.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 03:37:54 PM
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Patterns,Patterns,Patterns.... ::MonkeyCool::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
I have a dumb question??  Could some one (Kermit - LOL) tell me what "the leak" means?

yapperz

Thank you Kermit - but I guess my real question is - how did she get that reputation/nickname?

She was playing both sides. Giving them information and leaking us information.
Telling Kyle she was his best buddy and then telling others she didn't believe in the trap.
And then calling a family member to lie to them about the document we wanted to release so it would be stopped
because she believed in Capslockwizards pond which turned out to be a big hoax.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
I have a dumb question??  Could some one (Kermit - LOL) tell me what "the leak" means?

yapperz

Thank you Kermit - but I guess my real question is - how did she get that reputation/nickname?

She was playing both sides. Giving them information and leaking us information.
Telling Kyle she was his best buddy and then telling others she didn't believe in the trap.
And then calling a family member to lie to them about the document we wanted to release so it would be stopped
because she believed in Capslockwizards pond which turned out to be a big hoax.

Then she started giving people at CnG personal information on members of this site etc.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 03:45:50 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?

Yes I think that is why the person who found this was alerted.



Aruba simply needs to give Natalee Holloway back.Period...Anytime Aruba is in the press they will NEVER,and i mean NEVER,escape the horror of what they've not only done to Natalee,her family but,countless numbers of other people without voices...The curtain to the nightmare called Aruba has been pulled for all to see!It is..ONE SICK ISLAND.... ::MonkeyCool::

I don't think they can give her back.
Paulus holds the cards to every crooked deal in Aruba & he is friends with the judges.
If he goes down - they all go down.
That is the house of cards.
That is why you see certain IFA members on these boards constantly protecting Aruba, sending capslockwizard to come here and contact Silvetti about a pond where a grieving father could find the remains of his dead daughter. That produced nothing. That is why you see those same individuals still around trying to conjure up something. And the people protecting them are in my personal opinion - American Traitors!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 03:49:03 PM
Surely there is a way to give her remains back to her family without questions being asked.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 17, 2009, 03:52:56 PM
I never went for Caps, ever. I have no idea how persons who I considered intelligent fell for him and his blanant bs. Oh, I wanted too, but I read his posts and just laughed at him.
..
I lost my faith in the Persistence search the day they asked for donantions to continue. I went to Kyle's blog and said that perhaps they could sell the GIS mapping that they did in conjunction with that bogus search to raise the funds. There was one likely place for the trap. It was just beyond the sandbar. It took them long enough to get there and in the meantime, thay mapped all around the island of Aruba, why was that ? Don't say they had to do trials, they did those trials long before the Persistence set for Aruba.
Did they do this as they could not get permission to launch an oil exploration project in Aruba ? That was my guess. They went in under the guise of looking for Natalee but the object was what it has turned into. From the get go.

WTF these other people are doing is beyond my understanding.     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 03:56:14 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?

Yes I think that is why the person who found this was alerted.



Aruba simply needs to give Natalee Holloway back.Period...Anytime Aruba is in the press they will NEVER,and i mean NEVER,escape the horror of what they've not only done to Natalee,her family but,countless numbers of other people without voices...The curtain to the nightmare called Aruba has been pulled for all to see!It is..ONE SICK ISLAND.... ::MonkeyCool::

I don't think they can give her back.
Paulus holds the cards to every crooked deal in Aruba & he is friends with the judges.
If he goes down - they all go down.
That is the house of cards.
That is why you see certain IFA members on these boards constantly protecting Aruba, sending capslockwizard to come here and contact Silvetti about a pond where a grieving father could find the remains of his dead daughter. That produced nothing. That is why you see those same individuals still around trying to conjure up something. And the people protecting them are in my personal opinion - American Traitors!





I don't either Kermit!Do i keepthefaith.Absolutely.It is an interesting dichotomy for Aruba!The more money they spend on advertising,attempting to salvage their image.The more they PROMOTE the RAPE AND MURDERof Natalee Holloway..All for Paulus and the Perps...When i arrive at the pearly gates of heaven.I would like to know how many untold Millions Aruba cost their own people for Paulus and the Perps???Those who committed this despicable act must close there eyes every night knowing EXACTLEY what they did.After they close their eyes.I'm sure many nights are spent waking in a pool of sweat and horror.THEY KNOW WHY!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: mytime on May 17, 2009, 04:05:40 PM
I have a dumb question??  Could some one (Kermit - LOL) tell me what "the leak" means?

yapperz

Thank you Kermit - but I guess my real question is - how did she get that reputation/nickname?

She was playing both sides. Giving them information and leaking us information.
Telling Kyle she was his best buddy and then telling others she didn't believe in the trap.
And then calling a family member to lie to them about the document we wanted to release so it would be stopped
because she believed in Capslockwizards pond which turned out to be a big hoax.

Then she started giving people at CnG personal information on members of this site etc.





ahhh,  OK!!  Thank you!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 04:08:57 PM
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/120054.pdf

International Narcotics Control Strategy Report
Volume I
Drug and Chemical Control
March 2009
Embargoed Until
1:00 p.m.
2/27/09

snip:

Dutch Caribbean
I. Summary
Aruba, the Netherlands Antilles, and the Netherlands together form the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The two Caribbean parts of the Kingdom have autonomy over their internal affairs, with the right to exercise independent decision making in a number of counter narcotics areas. The Government of the Netherlands (GON) is responsible for the defense and foreign affairs of all three parts of the Kingdom and assists the Government of Aruba (GOA) and the Government of the Netherlands Antilles (GONA) in their efforts to combat narcotics trafficking. The Kingdom of the Netherlands is a party to the 1988 UN Drug Convention, and all three parts are subject to the Convention. Both Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles are active members of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and Caribbean Financial Action Task Force (CFATF).

II. Status

Netherlands Antilles. The islands of the Netherlands Antilles (NA) (Curacao and Bonaire off Venezuela and Saba, Sint Estates, and Sint Maarten east of the U.S. Virgin Islands) continue to serve as northbound transshipment points for cocaine and increasing amounts of heroin coming from South America; chiefly Colombia, Venezuela, and to a much lesser extent, Suriname. These shipments typically are transported to U.S. territory in the Caribbean by "go-fast" boats although use of fishing boats, freighters, and cruise ships are becoming more common. Direct transport to Europe, and at times to the U.S., is by "mules" (drug couriers) using commercial flights. The DEA and local law enforcement saw typical go-fast boat traffic this year with some load sizes reduced because of a potential exposure to law enforcement.  These shipments were generally en route to Puerto Rico or the U.S. Virgin Islands, but Sint Maarten continued to hold some measurable popularity among couriers as a gateway to Europe. In addition to go-fast boat activity and smuggling via commercial airlines, large quantities of narcotics continued to be moved through in containers.  Sint Maarten within the structure of the Netherlands Antilles separates itself distinctly, although it falls under the authority the Netherlands Antilles government. In December of 2008, legislation has been approved by the GNOA that will make Sint Maarten and Curacao sovereign countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Sint Maartens geographical location and its multi-national population make it an attractive transshipment point between South America and the United States, for the drug and human smuggling. Statistics on significant seizures in 2008 indicate that Dutch Sint Maarten continues to pose a serious threat as a staging ground for moving cocaine and heroin into the U.S. market. Officials in Sint Maarten have taken this threat seriously by initiating joint U.S. cooperative investigations as well as adopting new law enforcement strategies to combat the problems. Dutch Sint Maarten is considered a Free Zone, which means there are limited controls placed on import and export of goods. This situation also applies to financial crimes. The absence of stringent checks into monetary flows means that money laundering and proceeds from illegal activities are relatively easy to conceal.  In Curacao, all elements of the law enforcement and judicial community recognize that the NA, chiefly due to geography, faces a serious threat from drug trafficking. The police, who are understaffed and need additional training, have received some additional resources, including various support and training by the Netherlands and the United States including recent training regarding money laundering investigations. The rigorous legal standards that must be met to prosecute cases constrain the effectiveness of the police; nevertheless, local police made progress in 2008 in initiating complex, sensitive cases targeting upper-echelon traffickers. These efforts demonstrated the effectiveness of cooperation with other law enforcement entities in the region.  During 2008, the Police Chief in conjunction with the Minister of Justice made a concentrated effort to improve Criminal Intelligence by creating a new Operational Intelligence Unit within the Korps Politie Curacao. These improvements were formed through money grants from the Netherlands and partnerships with the U.S. law enforcement; specifically the Drug Enforcement Administration. This specialized Intel Unit has made an instant impact on the Police Department and has improved investigative effectiveness. In 2008, the KPC Operational Intelligence Unit improved their place in the regional scheme of enforcement as a viable international partner for law enforcement matters.  Consistent with the continued smuggling ventures, arrests were frequent in 2008. Curacaos prison remains at capacity. Aware of this problem, the GONA, with the assistance of their Dutch partners, has undertaken efforts to reduce the prison population by pre-trial diversion of non-violent offenders and by constructing new jail space with Dutch financial assistance.  The specialized Dutch police units named Recherche Samenwerkingsteam (RST) that support law enforcement in the NA and Aruba continued to be effective in 2008 and continued to include local officers in the development of investigative strategies to ensure exchange of expertise and information. The RST shared intelligence with international law enforcement contributing to several successful operations to thwart organized crime groups.  The Netherlands Antilles and Aruba Coast Guard (CGNAA) scored a number of successes in 2008. The CGNAA has developed a very effective counter narcotics intelligence service and is considered by DEA to be an invaluable international law enforcement partner. The CGNAA was responsible for several seizures of cocaine and heroin. As an example of their continued success and ability to be forward leaning with law enforcement initiatives, during 2008, the CGNAA, in coordination with the new KPC Operational Intel Unit and several notable seizures off go-fast vessels.  Seizures like this by the CGNAA have become commonplace and highlight the CGNAAs desire to be a regional player in law enforcement endeavors. The most impressive CGNAA effort was the tracking of a go-fast vessel as it passed Bonaire N.A, which ultimately culminated with the seizure of approximately 900 kilograms of cocaine.  Authorities in both the NA and Aruba are intent on ensuring that there is a proper balance between the CGNAAs international obligation to stop narcotics trafficking through the islands, and its local responsibility to stop narcotics distribution on the islands. Under the continued leadership of both the Minister of Justice and Attorney General, the GONA continued to strengthen its cooperation with U.S. law enforcement authorities throughout 2008. This cooperation extended to Sint Maarten, where the United States and the GONA continued joint efforts against international organized crime and drug trafficking.  The regular Dutch Navy also operates in the Netherlands Antilles under the auspices of Component Task Group 4.4 (CTG 4.4) which operates in international waters under the oversight of the Joint Inter Agency Task Force (JIATF) South. Over the past two years, particularly during 2007 and 2008, the CTG 4.4 has become a close and essential ally of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and other U.S. agencies. Their continual efforts to thwart drugs trafficking from the region have been noted at the highest levels of the DEA and U.S. government. Several notable seizures occurred during 2008. The most impressive effort was the tracking of a maritime vessel from Colombia past the ABC Islands to Puerto Rico which ultimately culminated with the seizure of approximately 4000 kilograms of cocaine. This was the largest single seizure of cocaine ever made by the Dutch Navy.  In addition to these improvements in law enforcement, the GONA demonstrated its commitment to the counter narcotics effort by continued support for a U.S. Forward Operating Location (FOL) at the Curacao Hato International Airport. Under a ten-year use agreement signed in March 2000 and ratified in October 2001 by the Dutch Parliament, U.S. military aircraft conduct counter narcotics detection and monitoring flights over both the source and transit zones from commercial ramp space. 

Aruba.

Aruba is a transshipment point for increasing quantities of heroin, and to a lesser extent cocaine, moving north, mainly from Colombia, to the U.S. and Europe. Drugs move north via cruise ships and the multiple daily flights to the U.S. and Europe. The island attracts drug traffickers with its good infrastructure, excellent flight connections, and relatively light sentences for drug-related crimes served in prisons with relatively good living conditions.  While Aruba enjoys a low crime rate, crime reporting during 2008 indicates that prominent drug traffickers are established on the island. Drug abuse in Aruba remains a cause for concern. In 2008, Aruba law enforcement officials continued to investigate and prosecute mid-level drug traffickers who supply drugs to "mules." There were several instances where Aruba authorities cooperated with U.S. authorities to realize U.S. prosecutions of American citizens arrested in Aruba while attempting to return to the United States with drugs in multi-kilogram quantities. Aruba also devotes substantial time and effort to the identification of the persons responsible for the importation of drugs to Aruba.

The GOA hosts the Department of Homeland Securitys (DHS) Bureau of Customs and Border Protection preinspection and pre-clearance personnel at Reina Beatrix airport. These officers occupy facilities financed and built by the GOA. DHS reported several seizures of cocaine and heroin in 2008. Drug smugglers arrested are either prosecuted in Aruba or returned to the U.S. for prosecution, if appropriate. Aruba jails remain critically overcrowded.  The GOA established special cells in which to detain those suspected of ingesting drugs. Aruba officials regularly explore ways to capitalize on the presence of the FOL and pre-clearance personnel, seeking to use resident U.S. law enforcement expertise to improve local law enforcement capabilities.  Aruba also continued to participate in the Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

III. Country Actions against Drugs in 2008

Agreements and Treaties. The Netherlands extended the 1988 UN Drug Convention to the NA and Aruba in March 1999, with the reservation that its obligations under certain provisions would only be applicable in so far as they were in accordance with NA and Aruba criminal legislation and policy on criminal matters. The NA and Aruba subsequently enacted revised, uniform legislation to resolve a lack of uniformity between the asset forfeiture laws of the NA and Aruba. The obligations of the Netherlands as a party to the 1961 UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, as amended by the 1972 Protocol, apply to the NA and Aruba. The obligations of the Netherlands under the 1971 UN Convention on Psychotropic Substances have applied to the NA since March 10, 1999. The Netherlandss Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT) with the United States applies to the NA and Aruba. Both Aruba and the NA routinely honor requests made under the MLAT and cooperate extensively with the United States on law enforcement matters at less formal levels.

Cultivation/Production. Cultivation and production of illicit drugs are not issues.

Seizures. Available drug seizure statistics for calendar year 2008 as of October 31, 2008 are as follows: Aruba seized 144 kilograms of cocaine, 27 grams of heroin, 13 kilograms marijuana. The Netherlands Antilles seized 1,965 kilograms of cocaine and 7.2 kilograms of heroin.

Corruption. The effect of official corruption on the production, transportation, and processing of illegal drugs is not an issue for Aruba and Curacao. During 2008, Sint. Maarten continued an aggressive and notably successful program to identify certain links from prominent traffickers in the region to law enforcement officials, which prompted additional investigation in the region. The NA has been quick to address these issues through criminal investigations, internal investigations, new hiring practices, and continued monitoring of law enforcement officials that hold sensitive positions. To prevent such public corruption, there is a judiciary that enjoys a well-deserved reputation for integrity.

Domestic Programs/Demand Reduction. Both the NA and Aruba have ongoing demand reduction programs. In 2007, the Korps Politie of Curacao in conjunction with Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.) program opened a new D.A.R.E. facility in Willemstad, Curacao to aid in Demand Reduction activities for the youth of Curacao.

IV. U.S. Policy Initiatives and Programs

The United States encourages Aruba and NA law enforcement officials to participate in INL-funded regional training courses provided by U.S. agencies at the GOA and GONAs expense. Chiefly through the DEA and DHS/Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the United States is able to provide assistance to enhance technical capabilities as well as some targeted training. The U.S. continues to search for ways in which locally assigned U.S. law enforcement personnel can share their expertise with host country counterparts.  Appreciation of the importance of intelligence to effective law enforcement has grown in the Dutch Caribbean. The USG is expanding intelligence sharing with GOA and GONA officials as they realize the mutual benefits that result from such sharing. Because U.S.-provided intelligence must meet the strict requirements of local law, sharing of intelligence and law enforcement information requires ongoing, extensive liaison work to bridge the difference between U.S. and Dutch-based law.

The Road Ahead. The Netherlands Antilles and Aruba should continue to strengthen its cooperation with international law enforcement agencies.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 04:52:15 PM
Surely there is a way to give her remains back to her family without questions being asked.


Surely there is a way to make Paulus shut up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 17, 2009, 06:32:25 PM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?

Yes I think that is why the person who found this was alerted.



Aruba simply needs to give Natalee Holloway back.Period...Anytime Aruba is in the press they will NEVER,and i mean NEVER,escape the horror of what they've not only done to Natalee,her family but,countless numbers of other people without voices...The curtain to the nightmare called Aruba has been pulled for all to see!It is..ONE SICK ISLAND.... ::MonkeyCool::

I don't think they can give her back.
Paulus holds the cards to every crooked deal in Aruba & he is friends with the judges.
If he goes down - they all go down.
That is the house of cards.
That is why you see certain IFA members on these boards constantly protecting Aruba, sending capslockwizard to come here and contact Silvetti about a pond where a grieving father could find the remains of his dead daughter. That produced nothing. That is why you see those same individuals still around trying to conjure up something. And the people protecting them are in my personal opinion - American Traitors!




This all correct, and to make matters worse there are Americans who are also in with Paulus..
The American consulate woman that Beth mentions for one ... Joe taconose for another and probably a whole host of rich American people who make money off of drugs .. They are all connected and prisoner of there own greed and are now part of a corruption that will rot their souls forever..

ALL Of the Americans who have covered for Paulus and his son disgust me beyond words..
I expected as much with Any Dutch and South Americans... NEVER would I expected to see American involved..
They should all rot in hell

But the bottom line is there is no turning back for ANY of them.. They can't turn over the remains of Natalee.

Fixed - reply was within quote.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 06:42:59 PM


I know Kermit and Edward are probably right, but I don't want to think that they'll never give her back.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 06:51:09 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9098/5/

Papiamentu translation:

much dirt acumula behind lighthouse

sunday, 17 may 2009 - 16:51

much dirt acumula behind lighthouse.ta one berguensa for see the cantidad of dirt cu owing to stay acumula behind lighthouse just east of duinen. esnan cu owing to haci limpieza was have good intencion but now the trabao owing to stay at half. the is comosifuera a owing to come tiranan eybao. monday will is good for serlimar send person pikinan at once for her not stay one ugly view for tourist. the saconan owing to cuminsa break the trabao is become uno envano cu the wind cu have eytras. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05172009_24ora_1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 07:06:07 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 17, 2009, 07:07:53 PM


I know Kermit and Edward are probably right, but I don't want to think that they'll never give her back.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I am here til Beth says it is over and she has not said it's over yet.  I guess I will be here for the next 40 years hoping I am adding to the rock's misery for what they have done (covered up) to Natalee and her family.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 17, 2009, 07:09:05 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.



I guess it is Mos' time to close the case and move on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 07:10:45 PM


I know Kermit and Edward are probably right, but I don't want to think that they'll never give her back.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Never say never.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 07:11:57 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.



I guess it is Mos' time to close the case and move on.


I didn't think of that, BlueMoon, but I'll bet you are right.  It is important enought for the station to
fly a reporter to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 07:15:13 PM


I know Kermit and Edward are probably right, but I don't want to think that they'll never give her back.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I am here til Beth says it is over and she has not said it's over yet.  I guess I will be here for the next 40 years hoping I am adding to the rock's misery for what they have done (covered up) to Natalee and her family.   ::MonkeyDevil::

You won't be alone.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 07:16:28 PM


I know Kermit and Edward are probably right, but I don't want to think that they'll never give her back.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Never say never.
I Agree San....Never say Never!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 07:18:49 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.


For Some Reason I Don't Believe that its about closing the case..... I have Hope and I'm Keepin the Faith!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 07:20:51 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.



Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 07:21:41 PM


I know Kermit and Edward are probably right, but I don't want to think that they'll never give her back.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I am here til Beth says it is over and she has not said it's over yet.  I guess I will be here for the next 40 years hoping I am adding to the rock's misery for what they have done (covered up) to Natalee and her family.   ::MonkeyDevil::

You won't be alone.   ::MonkeyCool::
No She Won't Be! I'm Here with All Monkeys for the Next 36 Years if Necessary!  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 17, 2009, 07:23:05 PM


I know Kermit and Edward are probably right, but I don't want to think that they'll never give her back.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I am here til Beth says it is over and she has not said it's over yet.  I guess I will be here for the next 40 years hoping I am adding to the rock's misery for what they have done (covered up) to Natalee and her family.   ::MonkeyDevil::

You won't be alone.   ::MonkeyCool::
No She Won't Be! I'm Here with All Monkeys for the Next 36 Years if Necessary!  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::

Hotping I am like Beth "I just hope I have that long".  40 years is pushing it for me.   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: sandy leiva on May 17, 2009, 07:32:13 PM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 

Me too!  Just in case she or Cageman happens to come here first...we would really appreciate some help understanding this article.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9095/5/#jc_allComments

Original text:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/MEI/mei16/260075690ljjIkj_fs.jpg)

Casino na Holiday Inn a hera keda sin controlador di casino.     

Saturday, 16 May 2009 - 19:46 

Ultimo dianan aki e preparacion y discusion rond di a gamingboard a cuminsa lanta cabez atrobe. Tin manera un tension mey mey di e controladornan cu no sa kiko lo para cu nan. Parce cu e intencion ta pa elimina e control den porta di casinonan. Ta ser papia cu for di e proximo dianan kier cuminsa cu e maneho nobo cu un (1) controlador pa controla dos casino pareu. Esey ta algo contra ley segun e sindicato pasobra un casino no por habri si no tin controlador di casino na entrada. Diasabra mainta e controlador cu a bai traha na Holliday Inn a bin haya un sorpresa pasobra nan desk a desparece. Nan material di trabao no tabata tey. Sindicato a cay aden mesora. Click lesa mas pa sa kikoa pasa!

Despues di varios yamada parce cu e desk a bin bek na su lugar. Na Holliday Inn ta e unico casino cual a perde su prome desk. Por spera mas problema proximamente cu henter e asunto di controlador di casino.

Papiamentu translation:

casino at holiday inn owing to hera stay without controlador of casino.

saturday, 16 may 2009 - 19:46

ultimo dianan here the preparacion y discusion rond of owing to gamingboard owing to cuminsa arise cabez again. have as one tension mey mey of the controladornan cu not know what will stop cu they. seems cu the intencion is for elimina the control in door of casinonan. is being talk cu for of the proximo dianan wanted cuminsa cu the maneho new cu one (1) controlador for controla two casino equal. esey is algo contra ley according the sindicato because one casino not can open if not have controlador of casino at entrance. saturday morning the controlador cu owing to go work at holliday inn owing to come achieve one surprise because they desk owing to desparece. they material of trabao not was tey. sindicato owing to cay inside at once. click read more for know kikoa happen! after of several call seems cu the desk owing to come bek at his lugar. at holliday inn is the unique casino cual owing to lose his first desk. can wait for more problem proximamente cu all the asunto of controlador of casino. come across


Edit to add the picture!   ::MonkeyWaa::

apparently the controller of the casino has left the coop.  others intended to take his place but that is contrary to casino rules and laws governing the casino of the holiday inn.  someone suggested having another controller from another hotel to run both casinos which was again illegal.  All were shocked when still by saturday -no casino controller arrived.  After looking thru the controllers work desk they were suprised to find all books and info in regard to running the casino was alwso missing.article says stay tuned for more info forthcoming. also be ready to read about more problems coming forth stemming from this incident.



By the way in the last thread the two missing girls were returned home in the middle of the night with what appears to be bruises from beatings. They believe it was from a gang related incident with much of the real reson behind the missing girls left out of the story.  The parents states in the article they were happy to have thier daughters returned home allbeit with bruises noted.  Sorry this is just what I gathered from reading the article and i did not copy paste it for reference.   sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 07:42:45 PM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 

Me too!  Just in case she or Cageman happens to come here first...we would really appreciate some help understanding this article.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9095/5/#jc_allComments

Original text:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/MEI/mei16/260075690ljjIkj_fs.jpg)

Casino na Holiday Inn a hera keda sin controlador di casino.     

Saturday, 16 May 2009 - 19:46 

Ultimo dianan aki e preparacion y discusion rond di a gamingboard a cuminsa lanta cabez atrobe. Tin manera un tension mey mey di e controladornan cu no sa kiko lo para cu nan. Parce cu e intencion ta pa elimina e control den porta di casinonan. Ta ser papia cu for di e proximo dianan kier cuminsa cu e maneho nobo cu un (1) controlador pa controla dos casino pareu. Esey ta algo contra ley segun e sindicato pasobra un casino no por habri si no tin controlador di casino na entrada. Diasabra mainta e controlador cu a bai traha na Holliday Inn a bin haya un sorpresa pasobra nan desk a desparece. Nan material di trabao no tabata tey. Sindicato a cay aden mesora. Click lesa mas pa sa kikoa pasa!

Despues di varios yamada parce cu e desk a bin bek na su lugar. Na Holliday Inn ta e unico casino cual a perde su prome desk. Por spera mas problema proximamente cu henter e asunto di controlador di casino.

Papiamentu translation:

casino at holiday inn owing to hera stay without controlador of casino.

saturday, 16 may 2009 - 19:46

ultimo dianan here the preparacion y discusion rond of owing to gamingboard owing to cuminsa arise cabez again. have as one tension mey mey of the controladornan cu not know what will stop cu they. seems cu the intencion is for elimina the control in door of casinonan. is being talk cu for of the proximo dianan wanted cuminsa cu the maneho new cu one (1) controlador for controla two casino equal. esey is algo contra ley according the sindicato because one casino not can open if not have controlador of casino at entrance. saturday morning the controlador cu owing to go work at holliday inn owing to come achieve one surprise because they desk owing to desparece. they material of trabao not was tey. sindicato owing to cay inside at once. click read more for know kikoa happen! after of several call seems cu the desk owing to come bek at his lugar. at holliday inn is the unique casino cual owing to lose his first desk. can wait for more problem proximamente cu all the asunto of controlador of casino. come across


Edit to add the picture!   ::MonkeyWaa::

apparently the controller of the casino has left the coop.  others intended to take his place but that is contrary to casino rules and laws governing the casino of the holiday inn.  someone suggested having another controller from another hotel to run both casinos which was again illegal.  All were shocked when still by saturday -no casino controller arrived.  After looking thru the controllers work desk they were suprised to find all books and info in regard to running the casino was alwso missing.article says stay tuned for more info forthcoming. also be ready to read about more problems coming forth stemming from this incident.



By the way in the last thread the two missing girls were returned home in the middle of the night with what appears to be bruises from beatings. They believe it was from a gang related incident with much of the real reson behind the missing girls left out of the story.  The parents states in the article they were happy to have thier daughters returned home allbeit with bruises noted.  Sorry this is just what I gathered from reading the article and i did not copy paste it for reference.   sl

Thank you SandyLeiva!    ::MonkeyCool::


I really appreciate your clarifying both stories for us.  I saw the mention of the gang in the missing girls stories...and even thought I might have seen a death threat...but I wasn't sure so I didn't post that.  I got the impression that it may have had something to do with another family member.  I missed the bruises though.  It's really hard to decipher papiamentu, and I don't trust my interpretations enough to try to clarify most of the time.  Usually just keep looking for a better translation of the story.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks again! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 07:43:08 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.


For Some Reason I Don't Believe that its about closing the case..... I have Hope and I'm Keepin the Faith!  ::MonkeyCool::


Just heard another blurb.  It will be on at ten o'clock on Monday.  They showed Jossy and said that
Aruba just wants to forget about Natalee but there are too many people unwilling for that to happen.
There are too many people who insist on answers.
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Blue Moon on May 17, 2009, 07:45:43 PM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 

Me too!  Just in case she or Cageman happens to come here first...we would really appreciate some help understanding this article.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9095/5/#jc_allComments

Original text:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/MEI/mei16/260075690ljjIkj_fs.jpg)

Casino na Holiday Inn a hera keda sin controlador di casino.     

Saturday, 16 May 2009 - 19:46 

Ultimo dianan aki e preparacion y discusion rond di a gamingboard a cuminsa lanta cabez atrobe. Tin manera un tension mey mey di e controladornan cu no sa kiko lo para cu nan. Parce cu e intencion ta pa elimina e control den porta di casinonan. Ta ser papia cu for di e proximo dianan kier cuminsa cu e maneho nobo cu un (1) controlador pa controla dos casino pareu. Esey ta algo contra ley segun e sindicato pasobra un casino no por habri si no tin controlador di casino na entrada. Diasabra mainta e controlador cu a bai traha na Holliday Inn a bin haya un sorpresa pasobra nan desk a desparece. Nan material di trabao no tabata tey. Sindicato a cay aden mesora. Click lesa mas pa sa kikoa pasa!

Despues di varios yamada parce cu e desk a bin bek na su lugar. Na Holliday Inn ta e unico casino cual a perde su prome desk. Por spera mas problema proximamente cu henter e asunto di controlador di casino.

Papiamentu translation:

casino at holiday inn owing to hera stay without controlador of casino.

saturday, 16 may 2009 - 19:46

ultimo dianan here the preparacion y discusion rond of owing to gamingboard owing to cuminsa arise cabez again. have as one tension mey mey of the controladornan cu not know what will stop cu they. seems cu the intencion is for elimina the control in door of casinonan. is being talk cu for of the proximo dianan wanted cuminsa cu the maneho new cu one (1) controlador for controla two casino equal. esey is algo contra ley according the sindicato because one casino not can open if not have controlador of casino at entrance. saturday morning the controlador cu owing to go work at holliday inn owing to come achieve one surprise because they desk owing to desparece. they material of trabao not was tey. sindicato owing to cay inside at once. click read more for know kikoa happen! after of several call seems cu the desk owing to come bek at his lugar. at holliday inn is the unique casino cual owing to lose his first desk. can wait for more problem proximamente cu all the asunto of controlador of casino. come across


Edit to add the picture!   ::MonkeyWaa::

apparently the controller of the casino has left the coop.  others intended to take his place but that is contrary to casino rules and laws governing the casino of the holiday inn.  someone suggested having another controller from another hotel to run both casinos which was again illegal.  All were shocked when still by saturday -no casino controller arrived.  After looking thru the controllers work desk they were suprised to find all books and info in regard to running the casino was alwso missing.article says stay tuned for more info forthcoming. also be ready to read about more problems coming forth stemming from this incident.



By the way in the last thread the two missing girls were returned home in the middle of the night with what appears to be bruises from beatings. They believe it was from a gang related incident with much of the real reson behind the missing girls left out of the story.  The parents states in the article they were happy to have thier daughters returned home allbeit with bruises noted.  Sorry this is just what I gathered from reading the article and i did not copy paste it for reference.   sl

thanks Sandy.  Sounds like someone fled the coop along with the books and my guess money.  Why go to all that trouble if they didn't embezzle money.  I hope they got off that island as their "azz is grazz" as we say here in the south. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 07:46:13 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.



HUH?  Wonder if this is that Jaap broadcast?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 17, 2009, 07:47:24 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.


For Some Reason I Don't Believe that its about closing the case..... I have Hope and I'm Keepin the Faith!  ::MonkeyCool::


Just heard another blurb.  It will be on at ten o'clock on Monday.  They showed Jossy and said that
Aruba just wants to forget about Natalee but there are too many people unwilling for that to happen.
There are too many people who insist on answers.
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

They are slacking up on following the Monkeys.  They just have not got it yet Those Fools.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: sandy leiva on May 17, 2009, 07:48:59 PM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 

Me too!  Just in case she or Cageman happens to come here first...we would really appreciate some help understanding this article.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9095/5/#jc_allComments

Original text:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/MEI/mei16/260075690ljjIkj_fs.jpg)

Casino na Holiday Inn a hera keda sin controlador di casino.     

Saturday, 16 May 2009 - 19:46 

Ultimo dianan aki e preparacion y discusion rond di a gamingboard a cuminsa lanta cabez atrobe. Tin manera un tension mey mey di e controladornan cu no sa kiko lo para cu nan. Parce cu e intencion ta pa elimina e control den porta di casinonan. Ta ser papia cu for di e proximo dianan kier cuminsa cu e maneho nobo cu un (1) controlador pa controla dos casino pareu. Esey ta algo contra ley segun e sindicato pasobra un casino no por habri si no tin controlador di casino na entrada. Diasabra mainta e controlador cu a bai traha na Holliday Inn a bin haya un sorpresa pasobra nan desk a desparece. Nan material di trabao no tabata tey. Sindicato a cay aden mesora. Click lesa mas pa sa kikoa pasa!

Despues di varios yamada parce cu e desk a bin bek na su lugar. Na Holliday Inn ta e unico casino cual a perde su prome desk. Por spera mas problema proximamente cu henter e asunto di controlador di casino.

Papiamentu translation:

casino at holiday inn owing to hera stay without controlador of casino.

saturday, 16 may 2009 - 19:46

ultimo dianan here the preparacion y discusion rond of owing to gamingboard owing to cuminsa arise cabez again. have as one tension mey mey of the controladornan cu not know what will stop cu they. seems cu the intencion is for elimina the control in door of casinonan. is being talk cu for of the proximo dianan wanted cuminsa cu the maneho new cu one (1) controlador for controla two casino equal. esey is algo contra ley according the sindicato because one casino not can open if not have controlador of casino at entrance. saturday morning the controlador cu owing to go work at holliday inn owing to come achieve one surprise because they desk owing to desparece. they material of trabao not was tey. sindicato owing to cay inside at once. click read more for know kikoa happen! after of several call seems cu the desk owing to come bek at his lugar. at holliday inn is the unique casino cual owing to lose his first desk. can wait for more problem proximamente cu all the asunto of controlador of casino. come across


Edit to add the picture!   ::MonkeyWaa::

apparently the controller of the casino has left the coop.  others intended to take his place but that is contrary to casino rules and laws governing the casino of the holiday inn.  someone suggested having another controller from another hotel to run both casinos which was again illegal.  All were shocked when still by saturday -no casino controller arrived.  After looking thru the controllers work desk they were suprised to find all books and info in regard to running the casino was alwso missing.article says stay tuned for more info forthcoming. also be ready to read about more problems coming forth stemming from this incident.



By the way in the last thread the two missing girls were returned home in the middle of the night with what appears to be bruises from beatings. They believe it was from a gang related incident with much of the real reson behind the missing girls left out of the story.  The parents states in the article they were happy to have thier daughters returned home allbeit with bruises noted.  Sorry this is just what I gathered from reading the article and i did not copy paste it for reference.   sl

Thank you SandyLeiva!    ::MonkeyCool::


I really appreciate your clarifying both stories for us.  I saw the mention of the gang in the missing girls stories...and even thought I might have seen a death threat...but I wasn't sure so I didn't post that.  I got the impression that it may have had something to do with another family member.  I missed the bruises though.  It's really hard to decipher papiamentu, and I don't trust my interpretations enough to try to clarify most of the time.  Usually just keep looking for a better translation of the story.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks again! 

your welcome hope i did it justice.  By the way notice that even though those girls went missing for more than a few days and the mother called th e police and notified the papers asking for any info on her girls for people to please report it , the police did a miserable job of searching an very little or no info was printed on a police search.  I guess that females on that island are all considered expendable.  These two were lucky to have arrived back home- again much more to the story than what was printed.  Id love it if those girls talked to the press about thier ordeal and charges were forthcoming against the perps. sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.


For Some Reason I Don't Believe that its about closing the case..... I have Hope and I'm Keepin the Faith!  ::MonkeyCool::


Just heard another blurb.  It will be on at ten o'clock on Monday.  They showed Jossy and said that
Aruba just wants to forget about Natalee but there are too many people unwilling for that to happen.
There are too many people who insist on answers.
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Damn right we aren't going to let Aruba forget..EVER!If Aruba wants to make amends they'll turn Paulus and the Perps over to Wreck,Billb,Rob and i for a conoeing trip down the Cahulawassee River in the remote Georgia wilderness,as well as send Natalee Holloway home...That's a start!Otherwise at least 36yrs to go....Aruba needs to understand that there will be baby monkey's that grow up at will keep the movement going..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 07:53:10 PM


I know Kermit and Edward are probably right, but I don't want to think that they'll never give her back.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I am here til Beth says it is over and she has not said it's over yet.  I guess I will be here for the next 40 years hoping I am adding to the rock's misery for what they have done (covered up) to Natalee and her family.   ::MonkeyDevil::

You won't be alone.   ::MonkeyCool::
No She Won't Be! I'm Here with All Monkeys for the Next 36 Years if Necessary!  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::

Hotping I am like Beth "I just hope I have that long".  40 years is pushing it for me.   ::MonkeyLaugh::
Me Too Blue Moon!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 07:57:58 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.


For Some Reason I Don't Believe that its about closing the case..... I have Hope and I'm Keepin the Faith!  ::MonkeyCool::


Just heard another blurb.  It will be on at ten o'clock on Monday.  They showed Jossy and said that
Aruba just wants to forget about Natalee but there are too many people unwilling for that to happen.
There are too many people who insist on answers.
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Thank You Magnolia for the blurb reports!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 17, 2009, 08:02:06 PM
Maybe it's an Anniversary report since this is the month Natalee disappeared? 

I tend to think the Joran/Jaap connection would be featured in The Netherlands instead of Aruba but it could be related to the anniversary of Natalee's disappearance I think?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 08:05:21 PM
Maybe it's an Anniversary report since this is the month Natalee disappeared? 

I tend to think the Joran/Jaap connection would be featured in The Netherlands instead of Aruba but it could be related to the anniversary of Natalee's disappearance I think?



Good thinking Anna, it could be an anniversary thing but of course the 25th is not the anniversary.  Still very likely a 4 years later type show.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 08:15:57 PM
I don't kow if it is an anniversery thing....they didn't say.  I was just sharing what I heard.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 08:18:35 PM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 

Me too!  Just in case she or Cageman happens to come here first...we would really appreciate some help understanding this article.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9095/5/#jc_allComments

Original text:

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Casino na Holiday Inn a hera keda sin controlador di casino.     

Saturday, 16 May 2009 - 19:46 

Ultimo dianan aki e preparacion y discusion rond di a gamingboard a cuminsa lanta cabez atrobe. Tin manera un tension mey mey di e controladornan cu no sa kiko lo para cu nan. Parce cu e intencion ta pa elimina e control den porta di casinonan. Ta ser papia cu for di e proximo dianan kier cuminsa cu e maneho nobo cu un (1) controlador pa controla dos casino pareu. Esey ta algo contra ley segun e sindicato pasobra un casino no por habri si no tin controlador di casino na entrada. Diasabra mainta e controlador cu a bai traha na Holliday Inn a bin haya un sorpresa pasobra nan desk a desparece. Nan material di trabao no tabata tey. Sindicato a cay aden mesora. Click lesa mas pa sa kikoa pasa!

Despues di varios yamada parce cu e desk a bin bek na su lugar. Na Holliday Inn ta e unico casino cual a perde su prome desk. Por spera mas problema proximamente cu henter e asunto di controlador di casino.

Papiamentu translation:

casino at holiday inn owing to hera stay without controlador of casino.

saturday, 16 may 2009 - 19:46

ultimo dianan here the preparacion y discusion rond of owing to gamingboard owing to cuminsa arise cabez again. have as one tension mey mey of the controladornan cu not know what will stop cu they. seems cu the intencion is for elimina the control in door of casinonan. is being talk cu for of the proximo dianan wanted cuminsa cu the maneho new cu one (1) controlador for controla two casino equal. esey is algo contra ley according the sindicato because one casino not can open if not have controlador of casino at entrance. saturday morning the controlador cu owing to go work at holliday inn owing to come achieve one surprise because they desk owing to desparece. they material of trabao not was tey. sindicato owing to cay inside at once. click read more for know kikoa happen! after of several call seems cu the desk owing to come bek at his lugar. at holliday inn is the unique casino cual owing to lose his first desk. can wait for more problem proximamente cu all the asunto of controlador of casino. come across


Edit to add the picture!   ::MonkeyWaa::

apparently the controller of the casino has left the coop.  others intended to take his place but that is contrary to casino rules and laws governing the casino of the holiday inn.  someone suggested having another controller from another hotel to run both casinos which was again illegal.  All were shocked when still by saturday -no casino controller arrived.  After looking thru the controllers work desk they were suprised to find all books and info in regard to running the casino was alwso missing.article says stay tuned for more info forthcoming. also be ready to read about more problems coming forth stemming from this incident.



By the way in the last thread the two missing girls were returned home in the middle of the night with what appears to be bruises from beatings. They believe it was from a gang related incident with much of the real reson behind the missing girls left out of the story.  The parents states in the article they were happy to have thier daughters returned home allbeit with bruises noted.  Sorry this is just what I gathered from reading the article and i did not copy paste it for reference.   sl

Thank you SandyLeiva!    ::MonkeyCool::


I really appreciate your clarifying both stories for us.  I saw the mention of the gang in the missing girls stories...and even thought I might have seen a death threat...but I wasn't sure so I didn't post that.  I got the impression that it may have had something to do with another family member.  I missed the bruises though.  It's really hard to decipher papiamentu, and I don't trust my interpretations enough to try to clarify most of the time.  Usually just keep looking for a better translation of the story.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks again! 

your welcome hope i did it justice.  By the way notice that even though those girls went missing for more than a few days and the mother called th e police and notified the papers asking for any info on her girls for people to please report it , the police did a miserable job of searching an very little or no info was printed on a police search.  I guess that females on that island are all considered expendable.  These two were lucky to have arrived back home- again much more to the story than what was printed.  Id love it if those girls talked to the press about thier ordeal and charges were forthcoming against the perps. sl

I'm sure you are very accurate Sandy, you have a far better understanding of the language than I.  I'm so thankful for you!

You do know there is still another young girl missing.

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5/15/2009 Solo di Pueblo page 9


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 08:20:08 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.


For Some Reason I Don't Believe that its about closing the case..... I have Hope and I'm Keepin the Faith!  ::MonkeyCool::


Just heard another blurb.  It will be on at ten o'clock on Monday.  They showed Jossy and said that
Aruba just wants to forget about Natalee but there are too many people unwilling for that to happen.
There are too many people who insist on answers.
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 08:21:21 PM
I don't kow if it is an anniversery thing....they didn't say.  I was just sharing what I heard.

No matter what it is, I'm glad it's going to be on TV tomorrow night!  Thanks for letting us know!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 08:26:43 PM
I don't kow if it is an anniversery thing....they didn't say.  I was just sharing what I heard.

No matter what it is, I'm glad it's going to be on TV tomorrow night!  Thanks for letting us know!

Please Lord, don't let the interview be with Julia or Dilma.  I'm hoping since they showed Jossy, it'll be him.

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 08:31:42 PM
I don't kow if it is an anniversery thing....they didn't say.  I was just sharing what I heard.

No matter what it is, I'm glad it's going to be on TV tomorrow night!  Thanks for letting us know!

Please Lord, don't let the interview be with Julia or Dilma.  I'm hoping since they showed Jossy, it'll be him.

::MonkeyAngel::

I feel the same way TM.  I was so happy to see Jossy's face instead of Renho's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 08:32:27 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.


For Some Reason I Don't Believe that its about closing the case..... I have Hope and I'm Keepin the Faith!  ::MonkeyCool::

They won't close this case.  It would mean that they would have to turn over the documents to JQK.  Unless they did such a great job in falsifying these documents over the course of four years and are confident in the job they did.  JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 08:43:38 PM
Damn right there are too many people who want ANSWERS.....& we're waiting.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 08:45:48 PM
I just heard a blurb on CBS 42 - Birmingham......said that they would be broadcasting live
from Aruba on Monday with a report on new information in the Natalee Holloway story and
what locals in Aruba have to say.


For Some Reason I Don't Believe that its about closing the case..... I have Hope and I'm Keepin the Faith!  ::MonkeyCool::


Just heard another blurb.  It will be on at ten o'clock on Monday.  They showed Jossy and said that
Aruba just wants to forget about Natalee but there are too many people unwilling for that to happen.
There are too many people who insist on answers.
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I guess they just don't understand us honest Americans.  They can keep the crooked ones we don't want them back.  In fact I can think of a few traitors that can move there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 08:52:31 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.










Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Red on May 17, 2009, 08:58:54 PM
The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Sunday, May 17, 2009 - Tonights Guests: Danielle Parker, Alexis Moore, Randi Rosen and Robin Sax with Nothing but the Sax

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/17/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-sunday-may-17-2009-tonights-guests-danielle-parker-alexis-moore-randi-rosen-and-robin-sax-with-%e2%80%9cnothing-but-the-sax%e2%80%9d/

Join Dana tonight at 9 pm et as he welcomes guests:

Danielle Parker - Discussing the unsolved murder case of her mother, Gail Parker.

On March 5, 1993, Gail was admitted to Kino Community Hospital.  Danielle says Gail suffered from bipolar disorder and had stopped taking her medicine.  However, hours later, the hospital allowed Gail to leave wearing only a blue bathing suit and a long, white coverall.  Danielle says the hospital never called any family members to come retrieve Gail, who eventually got in a taxi. Police say Gail was last seen around 1:30 a.m. at a convenience store at East Golf Links and South Houghton roads.  The next morning, Danielle says three bicyclists found Gails remains on the outskirts of Tucson in a desert area south of Broadway on Barclay Park Loop.  Authorities say she died from a blow to the back of the head and hypothermia.

Alexis Moore and Randi Rosen  - Survivors In Action, No Victim Left Behind
Robin Sax - Robin appears in her weekly role in Nothing But The Sax discussing the current crimes cases and will give away two books that night to lucky listeners

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 09:01:32 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.










They've tried to connect me and SM to that blog as well.  ******* even emailed Red about it.  Of course, I have nothing to do with that site.  They're despirately trying to figure out who all is posting over there and how much they know.  Likely they are affraid more of their personal business will be posted. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 09:03:31 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.

SS has been posting lies since she went to C&G.  I don't know if what she posted here was true or not.
She just makes it up and calls it fact.











Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 09:04:10 PM
DANA PRETZER NOW!  See RED's post above!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:07:08 PM
I did not mean to upset anyone saying I don't think Aruba will give the remains of Natalee back.

Unless there is a major sweep to rid Aruba/Netherlands of the CORRUPT individuals who are controlling the island
then we will continue to see the psychics lying, the lying manipulating journalists, the Holland boys lying about hermit crabs and Den Dolder, the kawish's and RV, Lorenzo Webbs threatening U.S. citizens and the group of American's helping them, the IFA, the AHTA  because there is no accountability or honesty! All of the pond hoax was based on lies. BUT not one of those people that support ol capslockwizard has stepped up and called him out on it! NONE. Not even one honest person in the bunch of hooligans!
 






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:10:53 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.










They've tried to connect me and SM to that blog as well.  ******* even emailed Red about it.  Of course, I have nothing to do with that site.  They're despirately trying to figure out who all is posting over there and how much they know.  Likely they are affraid more of their personal business will be posted. 

I didn't know that.
They keep saying I'm Lifesong too and I'm not.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:12:20 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.

SS has been posting lies since she went to C&G.  I don't know if what she posted here was true or not.
She just makes it up and calls it fact.

Maybe she worked for Clinton - all she does is spin and lie. You can't trust anything she says.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 09:13:52 PM
I did not mean to upset anyone saying I don't think Aruba will give the remains of Natalee back.

Unless there is a major sweep to rid Aruba/Netherlands of the CORRUPT individuals who are controlling the island
then we will continue to see the psychics lying, the lying manipulating journalists, the Holland boys lying about hermit crabs and Den Dolder, the kawish's and RV, Lorenzo Webbs threatening U.S. citizens and the group of American's helping them, the IFA, the AHTA  because there is no accountability or honesty! All of the pond hoax was based on lies. BUT not one of those people that support ol capslockwizard has stepped up and called him out on it! NONE. Not even one honest person in the bunch of hooligans!

Kermit,Klaas,and or Red.Has JQK,through back channels,attempted to have those American corporations,who use Aruba as a tax haven move there money elsewhere??Just another way to take the money away from them?Cayman Islands isn't to far away or does Aruba provide something better??Just a thought...
 






Kermit,Klaas,and or Red.Has JQK,through back channels,attempted to have those American corporations,who use Aruba as a tax haven move there money elsewhere??Just another way to take the money away from them?Cayman Islands isn't to far away or does Aruba provide something better??Just a thought...
 

Mods..You can delete the previous post..TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:14:04 PM
The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Sunday, May 17, 2009 - Tonights Guests: Danielle Parker, Alexis Moore, Randi Rosen and Robin Sax with Nothing but the Sax

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/17/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-sunday-may-17-2009-tonights-guests-danielle-parker-alexis-moore-randi-rosen-and-robin-sax-with-%e2%80%9cnothing-but-the-sax%e2%80%9d/

Join Dana tonight at 9 pm et as he welcomes guests:

Danielle Parker - Discussing the unsolved murder case of her mother, Gail Parker.

On March 5, 1993, Gail was admitted to Kino Community Hospital.  Danielle says Gail suffered from bipolar disorder and had stopped taking her medicine.  However, hours later, the hospital allowed Gail to leave wearing only a blue bathing suit and a long, white coverall.  Danielle says the hospital never called any family members to come retrieve Gail, who eventually got in a taxi. Police say Gail was last seen around 1:30 a.m. at a convenience store at East Golf Links and South Houghton roads.  The next morning, Danielle says three bicyclists found Gails remains on the outskirts of Tucson in a desert area south of Broadway on Barclay Park Loop.  Authorities say she died from a blow to the back of the head and hypothermia.

Alexis Moore and Randi Rosen  - Survivors In Action, No Victim Left Behind
Robin Sax - Robin appears in her weekly role in Nothing But The Sax discussing the current crimes cases and will give away two books that night to lucky listeners

TUNE IN AT 9 PM ET

LISTEN LIVE HERE



This is so sad.
I am Tuning in now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 09:14:25 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.










They've tried to connect me and SM to that blog as well.  ******* even emailed Red about it.  Of course, I have nothing to do with that site.  They're despirately trying to figure out who all is posting over there and how much they know.  Likely they are affraid more of their personal business will be posted. 

I didn't know that.
They keep saying I'm Lifesong too and I'm not.





Sometimes they say Lifesong is MrsRed. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: mytime on May 17, 2009, 09:14:34 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.





I wish they would get their stories straight.  ::MonkeyConfused::   Last I heard, Destiny was posting it was my site.

 "I don't read at SM not any of the hate sites they have created so MyTime can lead her pack of fools."



She is such a liar.  She reads here all the time and according to the admin at SpeakingofIdiots, she was seen reading there quite a bit too.

I also remember her trashing GM and many of their members.  Now she is all buddy buddy with them.  I know many there were not big fans of her either.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Must really suck not to be wanted anywhere. Oh wait, I think I see Destiny now!  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/tooconfused/persienn-1.gif)

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 09:22:57 PM
There is no way to explain supporting Caps and still supporting Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 09:28:07 PM
I did not mean to upset anyone saying I don't think Aruba will give the remains of Natalee back.

Unless there is a major sweep to rid Aruba/Netherlands of the CORRUPT individuals who are controlling the island
then we will continue to see the psychics lying, the lying manipulating journalists, the Holland boys lying about hermit crabs and Den Dolder, the kawish's and RV, Lorenzo Webbs threatening U.S. citizens and the group of American's helping them, the IFA, the AHTA  because there is no accountability or honesty! All of the pond hoax was based on lies. BUT not one of those people that support ol capslockwizard has stepped up and called him out on it! NONE. Not even one honest person in the bunch of hooligans!
 

All very true Kermit, it's sad and maddening!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you were talking about upsetting me...no worries.  That's always been a possibility, just not one I want to think about.  My dozen or so crying monkeys may have been a little over dramatic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:31:54 PM
I wish they would get their stories straight.  ::MonkeyConfused::   Last I heard, Destiny was posting it was my site.

 "I don't read at SM not any of the hate sites they have created so MyTime can lead her pack of fools."



She is such a liar.  She reads here all the time and according to the admin at SpeakingofIdiots, she was seen reading there quite a bit too.

I also remember her trashing GM and many of their members.  Now she is all buddy buddy with them.  I know many there were not big fans of her either.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Must really suck not to be wanted anywhere. Oh wait, I think I see Destiny now!  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/tooconfused/persienn-1.gif)

Alls I know is Destiny emailed me and asked me why she got banned at SM and could I help her.
As though I have anything to do with banning or admitting people to SM. I think they said I was Klassend too!
These people are just loony!







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 09:33:22 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.


They've tried to connect me and SM to that blog as well.  ******* even emailed Red about it.  Of course, I have nothing to do with that site.  They're despirately trying to figure out who all is posting over there and how much they know.  Likely they are affraid more of their personal business will be posted. 

Yeah, it's fine as long as THEY were the ones dishing it out, but now they can't take it!

Quite frankly it was pretty sweet to me to see them getting a dose of their own medicine!

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 09:34:22 PM
There is no way to explain supporting Caps and still supporting Natalee.

If you support Caps.You support Aruba,Paulus,Joran,Deepak,Satish,as well as all the other Hooligans on that Island!All the while,disgracing yourself as an American!JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:35:27 PM
I did not mean to upset anyone saying I don't think Aruba will give the remains of Natalee back.

Unless there is a major sweep to rid Aruba/Netherlands of the CORRUPT individuals who are controlling the island
then we will continue to see the psychics lying, the lying manipulating journalists, the Holland boys lying about hermit crabs and Den Dolder, the kawish's and RV, Lorenzo Webbs threatening U.S. citizens and the group of American's helping them, the IFA, the AHTA  because there is no accountability or honesty! All of the pond hoax was based on lies. BUT not one of those people that support ol capslockwizard has stepped up and called him out on it! NONE. Not even one honest person in the bunch of hooligans!
 

All very true Kermit, it's sad and maddening!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you were talking about upsetting me...no worries.  That's always been a possibility, just not one I want to think about.  My dozen or so crying monkeys may have been a little over dramatic.

 She's a United States citizen and she belongs here.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:37:25 PM
Dana is talking about cyberstalkers!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: mytime on May 17, 2009, 09:38:00 PM
I wish they would get their stories straight.  ::MonkeyConfused::   Last I heard, Destiny was posting it was my site.

 "I don't read at SM not any of the hate sites they have created so MyTime can lead her pack of fools."



She is such a liar.  She reads here all the time and according to the admin at SpeakingofIdiots, she was seen reading there quite a bit too.

I also remember her trashing GM and many of their members.  Now she is all buddy buddy with them.  I know many there were not big fans of her either.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Must really suck not to be wanted anywhere. Oh wait, I think I see Destiny now!  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/tooconfused/persienn-1.gif)

Alls I know is Destiny emailed me and asked me why she got banned at SM and could I help her.
As though I have anything to do with banning or admitting people to SM. I think they said I was Klassend too!
These people are just loony!



Loony is too nice of a word. OH, but I thought Destiny wore her *banned badge* with honor!!!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
I did not mean to upset anyone saying I don't think Aruba will give the remains of Natalee back.

Unless there is a major sweep to rid Aruba/Netherlands of the CORRUPT individuals who are controlling the island
then we will continue to see the psychics lying, the lying manipulating journalists, the Holland boys lying about hermit crabs and Den Dolder, the kawish's and RV, Lorenzo Webbs threatening U.S. citizens and the group of American's helping them, the IFA, the AHTA  because there is no accountability or honesty! All of the pond hoax was based on lies. BUT not one of those people that support ol capslockwizard has stepped up and called him out on it! NONE. Not even one honest person in the bunch of hooligans!
 

All very true Kermit, it's sad and maddening!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you were talking about upsetting me...no worries.  That's always been a possibility, just not one I want to think about.  My dozen or so crying monkeys may have been a little over dramatic.

 She's a United States citizen and she belongs here.



Yes she does!  She and her family deserve that, at the very least.  They deserve Justice too! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 09:41:23 PM
Kermit

What Are Your thoughts about New Information coming out of Aruba about Natalee's Case?  Did You see Magnolia's posts early about CBS42 reporting from Aruba Tomorrow night at 1000pm?
TIA
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 09:43:56 PM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.


I wish they would get their stories straight.  ::MonkeyConfused::   Last I heard, Destiny was posting it was my site.

 "I don't read at SM not any of the hate sites they have created so MyTime can lead her pack of fools."



She is such a liar.  She reads here all the time and according to the admin at SpeakingofIdiots, she was seen reading there quite a bit too.

I also remember her trashing GM and many of their members.  Now she is all buddy buddy with them.  I know many there were not big fans of her either.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Must really suck not to be wanted anywhere. Oh wait, I think I see Destiny now!  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/tooconfused/persienn-1.gif)

 

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:47:14 PM
Loony is too nice of a word. OH, but I thought Destiny wore her *banned badge* with honor!!!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: 

According to her email to me she wanted me to help get her back in here and talk to Red or Klassend for her.
I did not even know Destiny well enough to beg for her to be returned as a member! AND I'm not inclined to believe that either Red or Klassend would care what I said about anyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:48:43 PM
Kermit

What Are Your thoughts about New Information coming out of Aruba about Natalee's Case?  Did You see Magnolia's posts early about CBS42 reporting from Aruba Tomorrow night at 1000pm?
TIA
 ::MonkeyCool::

I saw her post.
Maybe Hero Brinkman is going to take them all down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Red on May 17, 2009, 09:51:19 PM
You can call into Dana's show and get Robin Sax book ... who's gonna call first!!!

 send him the emails to get the book


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 09:52:42 PM
Kermit

What Are Your thoughts about New Information coming out of Aruba about Natalee's Case?  Did You see Magnolia's posts early about CBS42 reporting from Aruba Tomorrow night at 1000pm?
TIA
 ::MonkeyCool::

I saw her post.
Maybe Hero Brinkman is going to take them all down.




They would not release that information on a little Birmingham TV station, IMO.
There have been a couple of other "blurbs" about new information, but since it was decided
that it was just an anniversery show, I decided to keep them to my self.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 09:53:13 PM
You can call into Dana's show and get Robin Sax book ... who's gonna call first!!!

 send him the emails to get the book


Email to:

dana@scaredmonkeys.com

The trick is you had to be listening to know what to put as the subject  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 09:54:32 PM
Kermit

What Are Your thoughts about New Information coming out of Aruba about Natalee's Case?  Did You see Magnolia's posts early about CBS42 reporting from Aruba Tomorrow night at 1000pm?
TIA
 ::MonkeyCool::

I saw her post.
Maybe Hero Brinkman is going to take them all down.




They would not release that information on a little Birmingham TV station, IMO.
There have been a couple of other "blurbs" about new information, but since it was decided
that it was just an anniversery show, I decided to keep them to my self.

Nooooooooooo, we are all just guessing.  Please don't be discouraged by anything I said. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:58:02 PM
CUT THE SNAKE AT THE HEAD



(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2349/image420bj0.jpg)

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
Reply #404 on: Today at 02:03:59 PM

We met with Patrick while in Aruba. He said that he believed Paulus was Daury, but wouldn't come straight out and say it as if he were nervous about being recorded. I'm uncertain why he's being cryptic about it.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.400


Riehl World View Interview Coming | Main | Posted Without Comment
Friday, June 17, 2005
Interview With Van der Sloot Friend

DAN RIEHL: What did he do for a living, I've heard he's a judge.

Her: Yes, he judges, sometimes. But not always. I'm not sure what he did before. He traveled a lot, on business, I think.


The slide archive
SOVON and Saxifraga

www.saxifraga.nl

Stichting Saxifraga
Saxifraga is voortgekomen uit een initia-
tief van Jan van der Straaten, die tijdens

TRANSLATION
Foundation Saxifraga
Saxifraga is the result of an initiative
initiative of Jan van der Straaten, who during
holidays are a lot of slides of plants and
beasts made
zijn vakanties veel dias van planten en
beesten maakte
http://tinyurl.com/3jjlsb


Jan van der Straaten, Tilburg University, The Netherlands
.conbio.org/activities/meetings/2002/website/symposia2.html#Symposium8


Oduber, Straaten, Smid, and Paulus all went to Tilburg University.


Paulus set up contracts

Paulus traveled a lot on business, a close friend said in the interview with Dan Riehl.

Paulus was a "high-stakes gambler".

Paulus came home from Holland on a long flight, had children at home and went out to the Excelsior casino to gamble with his son the night Natalee went missing.

He went on a Sunday, the day of rest, knowing his son had school the next day!

Joran called Daury to get rid of the body.

Joran is suppose to be in school in Holland, but he is doing drugs and setting up with Patrick to sell drugs.

Joran moves to Thailand and tries to set up a sex trafficking business.


Just like PAPA.





_____________________________________________________


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 09:59:09 PM
You can call into Dana's show and get Robin Sax book ... who's gonna call first!!!

 send him the emails to get the book


Email to:

dana@scaredmonkeys.com

The trick is you had to be listening to know what to put as the subject  ::MonkeyWink::

I missed what the subject was because an ad on SM said I won something!
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 09:59:47 PM
Kermit

What Are Your thoughts about New Information coming out of Aruba about Natalee's Case?  Did You see Magnolia's posts early about CBS42 reporting from Aruba Tomorrow night at 1000pm?
TIA
 ::MonkeyCool::

I saw her post.
Maybe Hero Brinkman is going to take them all down.




They would not release that information on a little Birmingham TV station, IMO.
There have been a couple of other "blurbs" about new information, but since it was decided
that it was just an anniversery show, I decided to keep them to my self.
Magnolia Please share with Us what You heard! Please!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 10:01:51 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:sr1QycQXluixiM:http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/lawn_mower_pole.jpg)

Dana's lawnmowing technique

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 10:02:03 PM
Great show Dana!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:02:52 PM
Kermit

What Are Your thoughts about New Information coming out of Aruba about Natalee's Case?  Did You see Magnolia's posts early about CBS42 reporting from Aruba Tomorrow night at 1000pm?
TIA
 ::MonkeyCool::

I saw her post.
Maybe Hero Brinkman is going to take them all down.




They would not release that information on a little Birmingham TV station, IMO.
There have been a couple of other "blurbs" about new information, but since it was decided
that it was just an anniversery show, I decided to keep them to my self.

Nooooooooooo, we are all just guessing.  Please don't be discouraged by anything I said. 

Please tell what you know right now Magnolia!  It's not the anniversary yet!

Pretty please!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6836.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
You can call into Dana's show and get Robin Sax book ... who's gonna call first!!!

 send him the emails to get the book


Email to:

dana@scaredmonkeys.com

The trick is you had to be listening to know what to put as the subject  ::MonkeyWink::

I missed what the subject was because an ad on SM said I won something!
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

ME TOO!  I don't think I put the right word....I guessed, lol  plus thanks to sucky AOL it took me forever to get on and send it!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 10:06:08 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:07:09 PM
Kermit

What Are Your thoughts about New Information coming out of Aruba about Natalee's Case?  Did You see Magnolia's posts early about CBS42 reporting from Aruba Tomorrow night at 1000pm?
TIA
 ::MonkeyCool::

I saw her post.
Maybe Hero Brinkman is going to take them all down.




They would not release that information on a little Birmingham TV station, IMO.
There have been a couple of other "blurbs" about new information, but since it was decided
that it was just an anniversery show, I decided to keep them to my self.

Nooooooooooo, we are all just guessing.  Please don't be discouraged by anything I said. 

Please tell what you know right now Magnolia!  It's not the anniversary yet!

Pretty please!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6836.gif)

bumped    ::MonkeyTongue::::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 10:08:05 PM
I enjoyed tonights Dana Show and all the guests! Very informative.
Thank you Dana!
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 10:09:24 PM
You can call into Dana's show and get Robin Sax book ... who's gonna call first!!!

 send him the emails to get the book


Email to:

dana@scaredmonkeys.com

The trick is you had to be listening to know what to put as the subject  ::MonkeyWink::

I missed what the subject was because an ad on SM said I won something!
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

ME TOO!  I don't think I put the right word....I guessed, lol  plus thanks to sucky AOL it took me forever to get on and send it!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

HA HA HA  sucky AOL
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 10:10:48 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

You don't just knit.

For heavens sake woman you ARE BUCKS knitter!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:11:16 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Magnolia.  You know it all girlfriend!   ::MonkeyCool::

Knitting is just how you spend your free time....right now, you are a Scared Monkeys Reporter on Duty!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2009, 10:11:31 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

I hope they talk about that pond hoax!
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

I hope something gets posted on their website tonight with maybe more clues  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 10:15:12 PM
From what I have gathered....and I am just guessing from what I have seen.
I think Jossy is going to reveal something.
It is enough for the station to send one of their main anchors down there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:15:47 PM
I enjoyed tonights Dana Show and all the guests! Very informative.
Thank you Dana!
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Me too!  Thanks Dana!   ::MonkeyDance::

I missed part of it so I'm going to listen to it again later!  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
From what I have gathered....and I am just guessing from what I have seen.
I think Jossy is going to reveal something.
It is enough for the station to send one of their main anchors down there.
Thank You Magnolia......  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 10:22:47 PM
"We are often so caught up in our destination That we forget to appreciate the journey, Especially the goodness of the people we meet along the way. Appreciation is a wonderful feeling, don't overlook it."
- AUTHOR UNKNOWN


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 10:22:53 PM
From what I have gathered....and I am just guessing from what I have seen.
I think Jossy is going to reveal something.
It is enough for the station to send one of their main anchors down there.

When was the last time that station sent someone to Aruba?  Has to be a long time ago, right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:24:33 PM
From what I have gathered....and I am just guessing from what I have seen.
I think Jossy is going to reveal something.
It is enough for the station to send one of their main anchors down there.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::

Has the 10pm news already been on?  If not, maybe they'll say more then!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
Posted at BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9278.0


I called the station...

It will not be a "live" broadcast on Monday from Aruba.... but they did send a couple of reporters to Aruba last week who brought back footage of coverage filmed while there.

They are going to be doing a four or five night special with the 10 PM news broadcast of this "new" information from Aruba (based on the work of those two reporters who were there).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 10:27:47 PM
From what I have gathered....and I am just guessing from what I have seen.
I think Jossy is going to reveal something.
It is enough for the station to send one of their main anchors down there.

When was the last time that station sent someone to Aruba?  Has to be a long time ago, right?

I don't recall this station ever sending a reporter to Aruba before.  It is the main evening news
reporter who is down there.  There was no mention of it until tonight.
They started running the blurbs during 60 Minutes and continued during the Survivor finale.
The cute boy from Alabama won Survivor......so it could be a set-up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 10:28:35 PM
Posted at BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9278.0


I called the station...

It will not be a "live" broadcast on Monday from Aruba.... but they did send a couple of reporters to Aruba last week who brought back footage of coverage filmed while there.

They are going to be doing a four or five night special with the 10 PM news broadcast of this "new" information from Aruba (based on the work of those two reporters who were there).

Thanks Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:30:36 PM
"We are often so caught up in our destination That we forget to appreciate the journey, Especially the goodness of the people we meet along the way. Appreciation is a wonderful feeling, don't overlook it."
- AUTHOR UNKNOWN


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Very nice quote KTF...

I'm missing some Monkey friends tonight that I appreciate a lot.  Wish they'd pop in and pick up where they left off before a little misunderstanding last night.

We've all got to stick together like glue for Natalee!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 17, 2009, 10:32:16 PM
"We are often so caught up in our destination That we forget to appreciate the journey, Especially the goodness of the people we meet along the way. Appreciation is a wonderful feeling, don't overlook it."
- AUTHOR UNKNOWN


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Very nice quote KTF...

I'm missing some Monkey friends tonight that I appreciate a lot.  Wish they'd pop in and pick up where they left off before a little misunderstanding last night.

We've all got to stick together like glue for Natalee!   ::MonkeyCool::



I started to say something early on.  She needs to get back here and help us. Now. 

Also is Blonde o.k.?  I haven't seen her here lately.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 10:32:24 PM
"We are often so caught up in our destination That we forget to appreciate the journey, Especially the goodness of the people we meet along the way. Appreciation is a wonderful feeling, don't overlook it."
- AUTHOR UNKNOWN


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Very nice quote KTF...

I'm missing some Monkey friends tonight that I appreciate a lot.  Wish they'd pop in and pick up where they left off before a little misunderstanding last night.

We've all got to stick together like glue for Natalee!    ::MonkeyCool::


Amen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:33:08 PM
Posted at BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9278.0


I called the station...

It will not be a "live" broadcast on Monday from Aruba.... but they did send a couple of reporters to Aruba last week who brought back footage of coverage filmed while there.

They are going to be doing a four or five night special with the 10 PM news broadcast of this "new" information from Aruba (based on the work of those two reporters who were there).


Makes me wonder if that had anything to do with the guy from the Excelsior skipping town!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:33:59 PM


I forgot to add thank you angelala and klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

Well if you hear more knit what they said  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 10:36:04 PM
Posted at BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9278.0


I called the station...

It will not be a "live" broadcast on Monday from Aruba.... but they did send a couple of reporters to Aruba last week who brought back footage of coverage filmed while there.

They are going to be doing a four or five night special with the 10 PM news broadcast of this "new" information from Aruba (based on the work of those two reporters who were there).


Makes me wonder if that had anything to do with the guy from the Excelsior skipping town!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::



Makes me wonder if Posner was in on the whole thing.  Since tourism is in the tank, they may have decided to
take the money and run.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:36:20 PM
From what I have gathered....and I am just guessing from what I have seen.
I think Jossy is going to reveal something.
It is enough for the station to send one of their main anchors down there.

When was the last time that station sent someone to Aruba?  Has to be a long time ago, right?

I don't recall this station ever sending a reporter to Aruba before.  It is the main evening news
reporter who is down there.  There was no mention of it until tonight.
They started running the blurbs during 60 Minutes and continued during the Survivor finale.
The cute boy from Alabama won Survivor......so it could be a set-up.

I hope not, I hope it's something "for real"!  

Thanks Magnolia!    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:36:55 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

Well if you hear more knit what they said  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But then take a picture and post it!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 10:37:51 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

Well if you hear more knit what they said  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'll knit you a note. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have missed Janet today. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:38:46 PM
Posted at BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9278.0


I called the station...

It will not be a "live" broadcast on Monday from Aruba.... but they did send a couple of reporters to Aruba last week who brought back footage of coverage filmed while there.

They are going to be doing a four or five night special with the 10 PM news broadcast of this "new" information from Aruba (based on the work of those two reporters who were there).


Makes me wonder if that had anything to do with the guy from the Excelsior skipping town!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::



Makes me wonder if Posner was in on the whole thing.  Since tourism is in the tank, they may have decided to
take the money and run.

Wouldn't surprise me at all!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 10:39:36 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

Well if you hear more knit what they said  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'll knit you a note. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have missed Janet today. ::MonkeyWaa::
Me Too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2009, 10:41:51 PM
Where's Janet?


Blonde was having some difficulties with the weather and her internet connection.  Plus some major renovations to her home. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:42:18 PM
I don't know anythng.....remember, I just knit.

Every blurb they tell a little more.

The last one said that they had new information that would help solve the Natalee Holloway case.
Who knows if they really do?

Well if you hear more knit what they said  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'll knit you a note. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have missed Janet today. ::MonkeyWaa::

Me too, and wreck and Anna haven't been here much either!

KTF may have to fire up the bus for us to go get them!  I hate to ride the bus, but I'll do whatever it takes. 

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:44:07 PM
"We are often so caught up in our destination That we forget to appreciate the journey, Especially the goodness of the people we meet along the way. Appreciation is a wonderful feeling, don't overlook it."
- AUTHOR UNKNOWN


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Very nice quote KTF...

I'm missing some Monkey friends tonight that I appreciate a lot.  Wish they'd pop in and pick up where they left off before a little misunderstanding last night.

We've all got to stick together like glue for Natalee!   ::MonkeyCool::



I started to say something early on.  She needs to get back here and help us. Now. 

Also is Blonde o.k.?  I haven't seen her here lately.

I've missed Blonde too, I hope she'll be back soon! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 10:45:39 PM
"We are often so caught up in our destination That we forget to appreciate the journey, Especially the goodness of the people we meet along the way. Appreciation is a wonderful feeling, don't overlook it."
- AUTHOR UNKNOWN


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Very nice quote KTF...

I'm missing some Monkey friends tonight that I appreciate a lot.  Wish they'd pop in and pick up where they left off before a little misunderstanding last night.

We've all got to stick together like glue for Natalee!    ::MonkeyCool::


Amen.

Thank You TM!I just want to pause and let All the Monkey's know that i truly have a deep appreciation for all you do,no matter how small or large.A joke here,another piece of information there,and we continue on the road to justice for Natalee Holloway!We truly are a collective group of wonderful spirits that truly can change the course of history.As you all know,it hasn't,it isn't,and it won't get any easier when the layers continue to be exposed from Kermit,Freebirds,Monkey's,and or anyone else who contributes to the cause.We all have our personalities and i think they mesh very well,to say the least.I,for one,am proud to be associated with such a wonderful group of spirit's......................................................... ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 17, 2009, 10:52:12 PM
Time to call it a night.  TM, little laughing girl came at the exact time I needed her.  Been a long day.  I really enjoyed "Decoration Day" at my grandmothers grave.  Walked around the old cemetary and brought back lots of memories of people long gone from this world.

Thats how it should be for Natalee.  Never forget.  Every person deserves to be honored at their final resting place.  It brings peace to a person and stirs happy memories of times long gone.

Natalee deserves to come home to her family.  They deserve a place to honor their daughter and visit with her in good times and bad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:55:11 PM
Where's Janet?


Blonde was having some difficulties with the weather and her internet connection.  Plus some major renovations to her home. 

I think Janet was offended last night, I was hoping it would blow over this morning...but I haven't seen her.

Maybe I'm wrong and she just had plans for the day and hasn't had time to be here.

I hope so.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 10:59:47 PM
Time to call it a night.  TM, little laughing girl came at the exact time I needed her.  Been a long day.  I really enjoyed "Decoration Day" at my grandmothers grave.  Walked around the old cemetary and brought back lots of memories of people long gone from this world.

Thats how it should be for Natalee.  Never forget.  Every person deserves to be honored at their final resting place.  It brings peace to a person and stirs happy memories of times long gone.

Natalee deserves to come home to her family.  They deserve a place to honor their daughter and visit with her in good times and bad.


You are so right Blue Moon!  I'm glad little laughing girl gave you a smile before bedtime.

Good night Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 17, 2009, 11:00:23 PM
Where's Janet?


Blonde was having some difficulties with the weather and her internet connection.  Plus some major renovations to her home. 

I think Janet was offended last night, I was hoping it would blow over this morning...but I haven't seen her.

Maybe I'm wrong and she just had plans for the day and hasn't had time to be here.

I hope so.



Tamikosmom:  Last Active:     Today at 11:56:10 AM 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 17, 2009, 11:01:34 PM
Time to call it a night.  TM, little laughing girl came at the exact time I needed her.  Been a long day.  I really enjoyed "Decoration Day" at my grandmothers grave.  Walked around the old cemetary and brought back lots of memories of people long gone from this world.

Thats how it should be for Natalee.  Never forget.  Every person deserves to be honored at their final resting place.  It brings peace to a person and stirs happy memories of times long gone.

Natalee deserves to come home to her family.  They deserve a place to honor their daughter and visit with her in good times and bad.

GoodNight & God bless BlueMoon,Mother,and grandmother..Family is what it's about. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 11:04:01 PM
"We are often so caught up in our destination That we forget to appreciate the journey, Especially the goodness of the people we meet along the way. Appreciation is a wonderful feeling, don't overlook it."
- AUTHOR UNKNOWN


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Very nice quote KTF...

I'm missing some Monkey friends tonight that I appreciate a lot.  Wish they'd pop in and pick up where they left off before a little misunderstanding last night.

We've all got to stick together like glue for Natalee!    ::MonkeyCool::


Amen.

Thank You TM!I just want to pause and let All the Monkey's know that i truly have a deep appreciation for all you do,no matter how small or large.A joke here,another piece of information there,and we continue on the road to justice for Natalee Holloway!We truly are a collective group of wonderful spirits that truly can change the course of history.As you all know,it hasn't,it isn't,and it won't get any easier when the layers continue to be exposed from Kermit,Freebirds,Monkey's,and or anyone else who contributes to the cause.We all have our personalities and i think they mesh very well,to say the least.I,for one,am proud to be associated with such a wonderful group of spirit's......................................................... ::MonkeyCool::



I appreciate you too KTF!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 11:06:22 PM
Where's Janet?


Blonde was having some difficulties with the weather and her internet connection.  Plus some major renovations to her home. 

I think Janet was offended last night, I was hoping it would blow over this morning...but I haven't seen her.

Maybe I'm wrong and she just had plans for the day and hasn't had time to be here.

I hope so.



Tamikosmom:  Last Active:     Today at 11:56:10 AM 

Thanks Muffybee! 

Janet, if you're up there....we miss ya!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
texasmom, 2NJSons_Mom, hotping, wreck, MuffyBee, Icehawk, BUCKSHOT, Keepthefaith, Magnolia, cajun miracle and 19 Guests are viewing this topic.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 11:11:59 PM
We're all here for the same reason.  We just have to remember that our every thought is not going to be the same as others.   That said, I know that I have made posts that have been unanswered, or have been questioned....I am still here. 

It's not about me, my thoughts, or us in general.....it's about Natalee. 

Let us not forget that.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 17, 2009, 11:17:40 PM
We're all here for the same reason.  We just have to remember that our every thought is not going to be the same as others.   That said, I know that I have made posts that have been unanswered, or have been questioned....I am still here. 

It's not about me, my thoughts, or us in general.....it's about Natalee. 

Let us not forget that.   

Right on!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 11:21:20 PM
We're all here for the same reason.  We just have to remember that our every thought is not going to be the same as others.   That said, I know that I have made posts that have been unanswered, or have been questioned....I am still here. 

It's not about me, my thoughts, or us in general.....it's about Natalee. 

Let us not forget that.   

Right on!

Double right on!   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on May 17, 2009, 11:26:31 PM
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
Reply #404 on: Today at 02:03:59 PM

We met with Patrick while in Aruba. He said that he believed Paulus was Daury, but wouldn't come straight out and say it as if he were nervous about being recorded. I'm uncertain why he's being cryptic about it.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.400


Riehl World View Interview Coming | Main | Posted Without Comment
Friday, June 17, 2005
Interview With Van der Sloot Friend

DAN RIEHL: What did he do for a living, I've heard he's a judge.

Her: Yes, he judges, sometimes. But not always. I'm not sure what he did before. He traveled a lot, on business, I think.


The slide archive
SOVON and Saxifraga

www.saxifraga.nl

Stichting Saxifraga
Saxifraga is voortgekomen uit een initia-
tief van Jan van der Straaten, die tijdens

TRANSLATION
Foundation Saxifraga
Saxifraga is the result of an initiative
initiative of Jan van der Straaten, who during
holidays are a lot of slides of plants and
beasts made
zijn vakanties veel dias van planten en
beesten maakte
http://tinyurl.com/3jjlsb


Jan van der Straaten, Tilburg University, The Netherlands
.conbio.org/activities/meetings/2002/website/symposia2.html#Symposium8


Oduber, Straaten, Smid, and Paulus all went to Tilburg University.


Paulus set up contracts

Paulus traveled a lot on business, a close friend said in the interview with Dan Riehl.

Paulus was a "high-stakes gambler".

Paulus came home from Holland on a long flight, had children at home and went out to the Excelsior casino to gamble with his son the night Natalee went missing.

He went on a Sunday, the day of rest, knowing his son had school the next day!

Joran called Daury to get rid of the body.

Joran is suppose to be in school in Holland, but he is doing drugs and setting up with Patrick to sell drugs.

Joran moves to Thailand and tries to set up a sex trafficking business.


Just like PAPA.







Kermit are you sure the other 2 brothers were home?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 11:29:27 PM
Calling Janet...Be on the lookout for Janet a/k/a Tamikosmom.



Janet, please stop by and post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 17, 2009, 11:36:11 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 17, 2009, 11:38:22 PM


Posted at BFN bu Lorain



    Re: New Info on Natalee's Case
Reply #14 on: Today at 10:37:35 PM    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



OK....Jossy was on....he was saying that Aruba wanted to forget about Natalee Holloway but Alabama would not let that happen...He has some kind of documents or papers or something that he is going to tell what they are tomorrow nite....I couldn't catch exactly the words....but it's something to do with the case...if I hear any more I'll sure post it for yous..... 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 17, 2009, 11:45:27 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 17, 2009, 11:45:49 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

She mentioned both of us, Wreck.  My concern was for the MB student.  I have no control or influence over what others post nor do I desire to have.  Seems everything I post of late offends somebody or other, even a guess followed by a question mark. 

I am very sorry for offending but was only sharing my thoughts.  I will keep them to myself in the future.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 11:47:39 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

I know what your intentions were Wreck and that was very nice of you not wanting to reveal her name.

If only the person who posted her picture had the same intentions as you this would have not happened.  But sometimes I believe things are done on purpose.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 11:50:47 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


It was just all a misunderstanding.  There was no harm meant by any of you.  But I do have my doubts about the person who posted the picture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 17, 2009, 11:53:04 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


 ::MonkeyCool::  No matter, Francine's name and the the story was already out there. I was just annoyed at ohcanada. Francine's name was going to brought up again, I just did not want to drag her name through the mud again 4 years later. I did not want to cause any bad feelings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 11:54:43 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


It was just all a misunderstanding.  There was no harm meant by any of you.  But I do have my doubts about the person who posted the picture.

You have not been alone. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 17, 2009, 11:55:53 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

I know you didn't mean to offend her wreck, you only had good intentions in what you did.   

Every Monkey involved in this needs to remember who started the whole thing, and not let them do this!  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 17, 2009, 11:59:05 PM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


It was just all a misunderstanding.  There was no harm meant by any of you.  But I do have my doubts about the person who posted the picture.

You have not been alone. 

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 12:00:01 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


Good evening everyone,

I was here last night, and I think there was a simple misunderstanding.

Wreck knew who the MB student was, but was being his gentlemanly, chivalrous self. 

Magnolia remembers everything, and so supplied the name.

Janet was being her efficient thorough self and maybe didn't pick up on Wreck's intention, and brought in the background info.

When Magnolia realized it, she apologized,  which for some reason Janet thought Magnolia was apologizing to her.  I think she also thought Wreck was chastising others about mentioning Frances' name, but he really wasn't.  He was just trying to explain that he had chosen not to.

I don't even remember what Anna said that got her into the mix.

It was all a simple communication breakdown.  BIG misunderstanding.  I was hoping Janet would read the whole thing today and understand what had happened.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


I think everyone should come on back and carry on.

I am so glad we have news out of Aruba tomorrow.  Can't wait to hear what that is!

Pretty coincidental with the disappearing casino accountant.  That's a good story too.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 12:01:13 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

I know you didn't mean to offend her wreck, you only had good intentions in what you did.   

Every Monkey involved in this needs to remember who started the whole thing, and not let them do this!   JMO
That's right TM.....Don't let ohcanada win....!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 12:03:51 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


Good evening everyone,

I was here last night, and I think there was a simple misunderstanding.

Wreck knew who the MB student was, but was being his gentlemanly, chivalrous self. 

Magnolia remembers everything, and so supplied the name.

Janet was being her efficient thorough self and maybe didn't pick up on Wreck's intention, and brought in the background info.

When Magnolia realized it, she apologized,  which for some reason Janet thought Magnolia was apologizing to her.  I think she also thought Wreck was chastising others about mentioning Frances' name, but he really wasn't.  He was just trying to explain that he had chosen not to.

I don't even remember what Anna said that got her into the mix.

It was all a simple communication breakdown.  BIG misunderstanding.  I was hoping Janet would read the whole thing today and understand what had happened.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


I think everyone should come on back and carry on.

I am so glad we have news out of Aruba tomorrow.  Can't wait to hear what that is!

Pretty coincidental with the disappearing casino accountant.  That's a good story too.






Great Explanation HelenBack! Good Evening to You Too!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 12:04:25 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


Good evening everyone,

I was here last night, and I think there was a simple misunderstanding.

Wreck knew who the MB student was, but was being his gentlemanly, chivalrous self. 

Magnolia remembers everything, and so supplied the name.

Janet was being her efficient thorough self and maybe didn't pick up on Wreck's intention, and brought in the background info.

When Magnolia realized it, she apologized,  which for some reason Janet thought Magnolia was apologizing to her.  I think she also thought Wreck was chastising others about mentioning Frances' name, but he really wasn't.  He was just trying to explain that he had chosen not to.

I don't even remember what Anna said that got her into the mix.

It was all a simple communication breakdown.  BIG misunderstanding.  I was hoping Janet would read the whole thing today and understand what had happened.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


I think everyone should come on back and carry on.

I am so glad we have news out of Aruba tomorrow.  Can't wait to hear what that is!

Pretty coincidental with the disappearing casino accountant.  That's a good story too.







 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::   Well said, Helen Back. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 12:06:26 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

I know you didn't mean to offend her wreck, you only had good intentions in what you did.   

Every Monkey involved in this needs to remember who started the whole thing, and not let them do this!   JMO
That's right TM.....Don't let ohcanada win....!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hope ohcanada is taking notes or READING......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
Oh NoCanada has made many lame and clumsy attempts to kick up dust ever since they arrived.

Maybe its gone.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 12:11:01 AM
Oh NoCanada has made many lame and clumsy attempts to kick up dust ever since they arrived.

Maybe its gone.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



We'll see how this pans out....tomorrow is another day.     ::MonkeyWink::   Give 'em enough rope.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 18, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


Good evening everyone,

I was here last night, and I think there was a simple misunderstanding.

Wreck knew who the MB student was, but was being his gentlemanly, chivalrous self. 

Magnolia remembers everything, and so supplied the name.

Janet was being her efficient thorough self and maybe didn't pick up on Wreck's intention, and brought in the background info.

When Magnolia realized it, she apologized,  which for some reason Janet thought Magnolia was apologizing to her.  I think she also thought Wreck was chastising others about mentioning Frances' name, but he really wasn't.  He was just trying to explain that he had chosen not to.

I don't even remember what Anna said that got her into the mix.

It was all a simple communication breakdown.  BIG misunderstanding.  I was hoping Janet would read the whole thing today and understand what had happened.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


I think everyone should come on back and carry on.

I am so glad we have news out of Aruba tomorrow.  Can't wait to hear what that is!

Pretty coincidental with the disappearing casino accountant.  That's a good story too.







 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::   Well said, Helen Back. 
Yes, that explains it well! Janet, please come back and keep on keep'n on! The whole purpose of ohcanada et al is to divide and conquer us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 12:16:17 AM
OK..Done watching Extreme Makeover HomeEdition!My earlier post was just my thoughts on the Journey that is Justice for Natalee Holloway.I,in no way was attempting to take focus off of the cause but,bring more light to the amazing things that do occur in times of great sorrow!I've never been on a forum,for such a purpose other then to add another voice to what is the Natalee Holloway story.A family losing a sibling in the manner they lost Natalee is sickening to say the least!Sorry it i didn't verbalize my feelings appropriately..Just tryin to let you all know you are appreciated for helping to keep Natalee Holloway's voice heard from here to ARUBA..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 12:16:49 AM

Thanks Helen Back!  You summed it up very well. imo!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 12:17:06 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 12:19:13 AM
Nobody will divide and conquer this cage...Me thinks this cage of Monkey's is a wee bit to smart for that Sh_T... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 12:21:52 AM
Goodnight, all.   Icehawk, I'll be looking for an answer to your post.   

"I'll be baaack."      ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 12:22:03 AM
Oh NoCanada has made many lame and clumsy attempts to kick up dust ever since they arrived.

Maybe its gone.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



We'll see how this pans out....tomorrow is another day.     ::MonkeyWink::   Give 'em enough rope.....

Well, you know I don't usually say much about such things 2NJ, but the attempts were so blatant and underhanded, I had to say it.  I was done on Mother's Day.  It's a dead give away when someone says they read here all the time, but they don't know anything.

Let out the rope a little, would ya? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Besides, I am patient.   ::MonkeyCool::

tick tock tick tock





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 18, 2009, 12:25:05 AM
Nobody will divide and conquer this cage...Me thinks this cage of Monkey's is a wee bit too smart for that Sh_T... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::  I think that is what has kept me enwrapt for 4 years  - I'm enaged that they think  we are stupid!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 18, 2009, 12:26:18 AM
"enraged"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 12:26:45 AM
Oh NoCanada has made many lame and clumsy attempts to kick up dust ever since they arrived.

Maybe its gone.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



We'll see how this pans out....tomorrow is another day.     ::MonkeyWink::   Give 'em enough rope.....

Well, you know I don't usually say much about such things 2NJ, but the attempts were so blatant and underhanded, I had to say it.  I was done on Mother's Day.  It's a dead give away when someone says they read here all the time, but they don't know anything.

Let out the rope a little, would ya? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Besides, I am patient.   ::MonkeyCool::

tick tock tick tock





(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Patience is a virtue, I was taught.  Letting the rope go a bit.....time will tell.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 12:27:55 AM
Bowman Gray Jr., then the vice president in charge of sales at R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., leaned back in his office chair in late 1954 and fingered the novel red-and-white flip-top box that contained the ''new'' Marlboro. The 30-year-old brand had undergone a sex change.{{pr}} The ''Mild as May'' slogan designed to attract female smokers had been replaced in the advertisements by a squinty-eyed cowpoke with a tattoo on the back of his hand. No red tips to hide lipstick smears for this hairy-chested Marlboro, which came packaged in a hard cardboard box, not that sissy ''soft'' paper stuff. Tiny Philip Morris & Co. had recently introduced the masculine Marlboro in test markets in New York City, where RJR salesmen snapped up a few packs and shipped them to Winston-Salem.

Gray fetched one of the Marlboros out of the box, lit it and took a few drags. ''Gentlemen,'' he said to those in his office, ''Philip Morris will have to be watched closely from here on in.''

 
The R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. was once the largest cigarette company in the United States with a powerhouse of best-selling brands: Winston, Salem and Camel. But times changed, and as the case against smoking became more pronounced in the 1960s, RJR failed to adapt to the marketplace. Its rivals would eventually rush past it, and RJR's efforts to catch up would have a profound impact on the company and the cigarette industry.


(http://extras.journalnow.com/lostempire/images/market.gif)


Hi Joshy M.
Hi Luis M.
Hi Paulus V.
Most have lost sight of u
Not I




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 12:29:26 AM
2NJSons_Mom, Helen Back, Keepthefaith, hotping, pinkbanana, cajun miracle, mytime, texasmom, Edward, Magnolia, SuzieQ and 20 Guests are viewing this topic.

I'm really going, but it's funny how many visitors are here at this time.  (pumpkin time for moi).

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 12:29:55 AM
Nobody will divide and conquer this cage...Me thinks this cage of Monkey's is a wee bit too smart for that Sh_T... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::  I think that is what has kept me enwrapt for 4 years  - I'm enaged that they think  we are stupid!

I agree Wreck.The funny part is some of these Dumbazzez actually think they're accomplishing something..Aruba,Ahata,as well as ATA and anybody else who thinks that we're gonna eat the Sh_T they throw out is sadly mistaken..They don't get.They are simply wasting their money by trying to portray that Island as anything other then EVIL..Nobody is buyin that One Happy Island bullSh_T.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Keepthefaith, Helen Back, wreck, hotping, pinkbanana, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom, mytime, texasmom, Edward, Magnolia, SuzieQ and 20 Guests are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 12:30:52 AM
2NJSons_Mom, Helen Back, Keepthefaith, hotping, pinkbanana, cajun miracle, mytime, texasmom, Edward, Magnolia, SuzieQ and 20 Guests are viewing this topic.

I'm really going, but it's funny how many visitors are here at this time.  (pumpkin time for moi).

 ::MonkeyCool::

I was just thinking the same 2NJ!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 12:31:34 AM
2NJSons_Mom, Helen Back, Keepthefaith, hotping, pinkbanana, cajun miracle, mytime, texasmom, Edward, Magnolia, SuzieQ and 20 Guests are viewing this topic.

I'm really going, but it's funny how many visitors are here at this time.  (pumpkin time for moi).

 ::MonkeyCool::

I was just thinking the same 2NJ!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night 2NJ!  Thanks for all you do!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 18, 2009, 12:31:34 AM
Bowman Gray Jr., then the vice president in charge of sales at R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., leaned back in his office chair in late 1954 and fingered the novel red-and-white flip-top box that contained the ''new'' Marlboro. The 30-year-old brand had undergone a sex change.{{pr}} The ''Mild as May'' slogan designed to attract female smokers had been replaced in the advertisements by a squinty-eyed cowpoke with a tattoo on the back of his hand. No red tips to hide lipstick smears for this hairy-chested Marlboro, which came packaged in a hard cardboard box, not that sissy ''soft'' paper stuff. Tiny Philip Morris & Co. had recently introduced the masculine Marlboro in test markets in New York City, where RJR salesmen snapped up a few packs and shipped them to Winston-Salem.

Gray fetched one of the Marlboros out of the box, lit it and took a few drags. ''Gentlemen,'' he said to those in his office, ''Philip Morris will have to be watched closely from here on in.''

 
The R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. was once the largest cigarette company in the United States with a powerhouse of best-selling brands: Winston, Salem and Camel. But times changed, and as the case against smoking became more pronounced in the 1960s, RJR failed to adapt to the marketplace. Its rivals would eventually rush past it, and RJR's efforts to catch up would have a profound impact on the company and the cigarette industry.


(http://extras.journalnow.com/lostempire/images/market.gif)


Hi Joshy M.
Hi Luis M.
Hi Paulus V.
Most have lost sight of u
Not I



::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 12:31:44 AM
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
Reply #404 on: Today at 02:03:59 PM

We met with Patrick while in Aruba. He said that he believed Paulus was Daury, but wouldn't come straight out and say it as if he were nervous about being recorded. I'm uncertain why he's being cryptic about it.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.400


Riehl World View Interview Coming | Main | Posted Without Comment
Friday, June 17, 2005
Interview With Van der Sloot Friend

DAN RIEHL: What did he do for a living, I've heard he's a judge.

Her: Yes, he judges, sometimes. But not always. I'm not sure what he did before. He traveled a lot, on business, I think.


The slide archive
SOVON and Saxifraga

www.saxifraga.nl

Stichting Saxifraga
Saxifraga is voortgekomen uit een initia-
tief van Jan van der Straaten, die tijdens

TRANSLATION
Foundation Saxifraga
Saxifraga is the result of an initiative
initiative of Jan van der Straaten, who during
holidays are a lot of slides of plants and
beasts made
zijn vakanties veel dias van planten en
beesten maakte
http://tinyurl.com/3jjlsb


Jan van der Straaten, Tilburg University, The Netherlands
.conbio.org/activities/meetings/2002/website/symposia2.html#Symposium8


Oduber, Straaten, Smid, and Paulus all went to Tilburg University.


Paulus set up contracts

Paulus traveled a lot on business, a close friend said in the interview with Dan Riehl.

Paulus was a "high-stakes gambler".

Paulus came home from Holland on a long flight, had children at home and went out to the Excelsior casino to gamble with his son the night Natalee went missing.

He went on a Sunday, the day of rest, knowing his son had school the next day!

Joran called Daury to get rid of the body.

Joran is suppose to be in school in Holland, but he is doing drugs and setting up with Patrick to sell drugs.

Joran moves to Thailand and tries to set up a sex trafficking business.


Just like PAPA.







Kermit are you sure the other 2 brothers were home?

Icehawk, I'm not sure anyone really knows the answer to this.

I have always thought they were not.

I think Paulus was out running wild and being a scumbag with Joran that night.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 12:40:41 AM
                                JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                     GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                              KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 12:42:47 AM
Good Night 2NJ and KTF!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 12:43:29 AM
Goodnight KTF, hotping, pinkbanana, wreck, texasmom, 2NJSons_Mom, cajun miracle and 13 Guests

Helen Back



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 12:49:45 AM
                                JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                     GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                              KEEPTHEFAITH


Good Night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 12:51:05 AM
Goodnight KTF, hotping, pinkbanana, wreck, texasmom, 2NJSons_Mom, cajun miracle and 13 Guests

Helen Back



Good night Helen Back!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 12:53:54 AM
Good Night Helen Back!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 12:56:57 AM
Good Night...klaasend, 2NJSons_Mom, Icehawk, texasmom, cajun miracle, pinkbanana, Magnolia, Helen Back and 10 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 12:58:47 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 12:59:58 AM
Good Night...klaasend, 2NJSons_Mom, Icehawk, texasmom, cajun miracle, pinkbanana, Magnolia, Helen Back and 10 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night Hotping!

Good Night Everyone! 

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on May 18, 2009, 01:00:35 AM
Good Night Ya'll!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 01:32:46 AM
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
Reply #404 on: Today at 02:03:59 PM

We met with Patrick while in Aruba. He said that he believed Paulus was Daury, but wouldn't come straight out and say it as if he were nervous about being recorded. I'm uncertain why he's being cryptic about it.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.400


Riehl World View Interview Coming | Main | Posted Without Comment
Friday, June 17, 2005
Interview With Van der Sloot Friend

DAN RIEHL: What did he do for a living, I've heard he's a judge.

Her: Yes, he judges, sometimes. But not always. I'm not sure what he did before. He traveled a lot, on business, I think.


The slide archive
SOVON and Saxifraga

www.saxifraga.nl

Stichting Saxifraga
Saxifraga is voortgekomen uit een initia-
tief van Jan van der Straaten, die tijdens

TRANSLATION
Foundation Saxifraga
Saxifraga is the result of an initiative
initiative of Jan van der Straaten, who during
holidays are a lot of slides of plants and
beasts made
zijn vakanties veel dias van planten en
beesten maakte
http://tinyurl.com/3jjlsb


Jan van der Straaten, Tilburg University, The Netherlands
.conbio.org/activities/meetings/2002/website/symposia2.html#Symposium8


Oduber, Straaten, Smid, and Paulus all went to Tilburg University.


Paulus set up contracts

Paulus traveled a lot on business, a close friend said in the interview with Dan Riehl.

Paulus was a "high-stakes gambler".

Paulus came home from Holland on a long flight, had children at home and went out to the Excelsior casino to gamble with his son the night Natalee went missing.

He went on a Sunday, the day of rest, knowing his son had school the next day!

Joran called Daury to get rid of the body.

Joran is suppose to be in school in Holland, but he is doing drugs and setting up with Patrick to sell drugs.

Joran moves to Thailand and tries to set up a sex trafficking business.


Just like PAPA.


Kermit are you sure the other 2 brothers were home?

Icehawk, I finally found this...I knew I had it saved somewhere!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.msg171126#msg171126

 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Lively Case Discussion #630 5/28 - 5/29/2007  on: May 30, 2007, 12:00:20 AM 
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI ..............






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on May 18, 2009, 01:51:38 AM
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
Reply #404 on: Today at 02:03:59 PM

We met with Patrick while in Aruba. He said that he believed Paulus was Daury, but wouldn't come straight out and say it as if he were nervous about being recorded. I'm uncertain why he's being cryptic about it.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.400


Riehl World View Interview Coming | Main | Posted Without Comment
Friday, June 17, 2005
Interview With Van der Sloot Friend

DAN RIEHL: What did he do for a living, I've heard he's a judge.

Her: Yes, he judges, sometimes. But not always. I'm not sure what he did before. He traveled a lot, on business, I think.


The slide archive
SOVON and Saxifraga

www.saxifraga.nl

Stichting Saxifraga
Saxifraga is voortgekomen uit een initia-
tief van Jan van der Straaten, die tijdens

TRANSLATION
Foundation Saxifraga
Saxifraga is the result of an initiative
initiative of Jan van der Straaten, who during
holidays are a lot of slides of plants and
beasts made
zijn vakanties veel dias van planten en
beesten maakte
http://tinyurl.com/3jjlsb


Jan van der Straaten, Tilburg University, The Netherlands
.conbio.org/activities/meetings/2002/website/symposia2.html#Symposium8


Oduber, Straaten, Smid, and Paulus all went to Tilburg University.


Paulus set up contracts

Paulus traveled a lot on business, a close friend said in the interview with Dan Riehl.

Paulus was a "high-stakes gambler".

Paulus came home from Holland on a long flight, had children at home and went out to the Excelsior casino to gamble with his son the night Natalee went missing.

He went on a Sunday, the day of rest, knowing his son had school the next day!

Joran called Daury to get rid of the body.

Joran is suppose to be in school in Holland, but he is doing drugs and setting up with Patrick to sell drugs.

Joran moves to Thailand and tries to set up a sex trafficking business.


Just like PAPA.


Kermit are you sure the other 2 brothers were home?

Icehawk, I finally found this...I knew I had it saved somewhere!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.msg171126#msg171126

 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Lively Case Discussion #630 5/28 - 5/29/2007  on: May 30, 2007, 12:00:20 AM 
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI ..............





         Thanks Texasmom    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on May 18, 2009, 01:58:08 AM
@ Kermit




Can you confirm this?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 18, 2009, 02:22:14 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.
I was also here last night......it was a MISUNDERSTANDING...oh...give me a break (as in I'm not buying the BS)...canada



   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1935 on: May 17, 2009, 02:04:46 AM
   
Quote from: billb on May 17, 2009, 01:56:24 AM
Team,
Don't let oh....give me a break...canada...come between us...That is the dark sides plan....
Keep the focus where it belongs...Justice for Natalee!
Keep it real folks....
Wreck posted...
You are right -- I'm sorry. It is just that oh____ posted a pic of her a few nights ago and it really infuriated me. I posted a response that it was really unfair to dredge Francine's name up again after 4 years. She is only guilty of being one of Natalee's closest friends. I was hoping to keep her name out of this latest dribble from OC.
A MISUNDERSTANDING.....
Janet will be back....
We are all here after 4 years for ONE THING....
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 18, 2009, 02:33:26 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.

It wasn't Janet who revealed Frances Ellen Byrd's name.   It was ME.  Janet wanted the name so that she could
look for the transcript of the show.


It was just all a misunderstanding.  There was no harm meant by any of you.  But I do have my doubts about the person who posted the picture.

You have not been alone. 
Said it last night...will say it again.
it's oh....give me a break...canada  (as in  I don't buy the BS)
Dark side tactic...ignore them and they go away....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 18, 2009, 02:45:18 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.
I was also here last night......it was a MISUNDERSTANDING...oh...give me a break (as in I'm not buying the BS)...canada



   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1935 on: May 17, 2009, 02:04:46 AM
   
Quote from: billb on May 17, 2009, 01:56:24 AM
Team,
Don't let oh....give me a break...canada...come between us...That is the dark sides plan....
Keep the focus where it belongs...Justice for Natalee!
Keep it real folks....
Wreck posted...
You are right -- I'm sorry. It is just that oh____ posted a pic of her a few nights ago and it really infuriated me. I posted a response that it was really unfair to dredge Francine's name up again after 4 years. She is only guilty of being one of Natalee's closest friends. I was hoping to keep her name out of this latest dribble from OC.
Quote from: billb....
A MISUNDERSTANDING.....
Janet will be back....
We are all here after 4 years for ONE THING....
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.........
self edit in red above


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 18, 2009, 02:47:57 AM
started out at a few early forums looking for any info on Natalee...
Didn't take me long to figure out SM was THE place for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
Good Night Good monkeys......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Cageman on May 18, 2009, 04:52:05 AM
texasmom,

I'm hoping Sandy Leiva was catching up in the last thread and can do her magic on that casino article for us. 

Me too!  Just in case she or Cageman happens to come here first...we would really appreciate some help understanding this article.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9095/5/#jc_allComments

Original text:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/MEI/mei16/260075690ljjIkj_fs.jpg)

Casino na Holiday Inn a hera keda sin controlador di casino.     

Saturday, 16 May 2009 - 19:46 

Ultimo dianan aki e preparacion y discusion rond di a gamingboard a cuminsa lanta cabez atrobe. Tin manera un tension mey mey di e controladornan cu no sa kiko lo para cu nan. Parce cu e intencion ta pa elimina e control den porta di casinonan. Ta ser papia cu for di e proximo dianan kier cuminsa cu e maneho nobo cu un (1) controlador pa controla dos casino pareu. Esey ta algo contra ley segun e sindicato pasobra un casino no por habri si no tin controlador di casino na entrada. Diasabra mainta e controlador cu a bai traha na Holliday Inn a bin haya un sorpresa pasobra nan desk a desparece. Nan material di trabao no tabata tey. Sindicato a cay aden mesora. Click lesa mas pa sa kikoa pasa!

Despues di varios yamada parce cu e desk a bin bek na su lugar. Na Holliday Inn ta e unico casino cual a perde su prome desk. Por spera mas problema proximamente cu henter e asunto di controlador di casino.

Papiamentu translation:

casino at holiday inn owing to hera stay without controlador of casino.

saturday, 16 may 2009 - 19:46

ultimo dianan here the preparacion y discusion rond of owing to gamingboard owing to cuminsa arise cabez again. have as one tension mey mey of the controladornan cu not know what will stop cu they. seems cu the intencion is for elimina the control in door of casinonan. is being talk cu for of the proximo dianan wanted cuminsa cu the maneho new cu one (1) controlador for controla two casino equal. esey is algo contra ley according the sindicato because one casino not can open if not have controlador of casino at entrance. saturday morning the controlador cu owing to go work at holliday inn owing to come achieve one surprise because they desk owing to desparece. they material of trabao not was tey. sindicato owing to cay inside at once. click read more for know kikoa happen! after of several call seems cu the desk owing to come bek at his lugar. at holliday inn is the unique casino cual owing to lose his first desk. can wait for more problem proximamente cu all the asunto of controlador of casino. come across


Edit to add the picture!   ::MonkeyWaa::

apparently the controller of the casino has left the coop.  others intended to take his place but that is contrary to casino rules and laws governing the casino of the holiday inn.  someone suggested having another controller from another hotel to run both casinos which was again illegal.  All were shocked when still by saturday -no casino controller arrived.  After looking thru the controllers work desk they were suprised to find all books and info in regard to running the casino was alwso missing.article says stay tuned for more info forthcoming. also be ready to read about more problems coming forth stemming from this incident.



By the way in the last thread the two missing girls were returned home in the middle of the night with what appears to be bruises from beatings. They believe it was from a gang related incident with much of the real reson behind the missing girls left out of the story.  The parents states in the article they were happy to have thier daughters returned home allbeit with bruises noted.  Sorry this is just what I gathered from reading the article and i did not copy paste it for reference.   sl

It is not my habit to correct someone and certainly not to be offensive, but in this case I think the translation of Sandy is a bit loose. If you don't mind I give here my translation.

In the last few days again a discussion came up about the Gamingboard. In some way there is a commotion between the controllers (= bouncers), who do not know what will happen to them. There seems to be a plan to get rid of the checks at the casino doors. It is said that in the coming days they will start a new procedure with one bouncer controlling two casino's at the same time. According the labour union that is against the law because without a bouncer a casino is not allowed to open his doors. Saturday morning a bouncer went to work and found to his surprise that his desk had disappeared. There was no way to work. The labour union took the case immediately. Click here to know what happened more.

After some questions the desk seems to be returned again. At the Holliday Inn is the only casino who lost his first desk. We can expect more problems in this case with the bouncers of casino's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 08:21:33 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::


Thanks Cageman!   ::MonkeyCool::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 08:21:58 AM
Thanks for the translation Cageman.

Good morning Monkeys.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
I think I offended Janet last night ..... but I certainly did not intend to. Ohcanada posted a pic and an open-ended attack on Francine Byrd a few nights ago. I responded to Ohcanada in a harsh matter and I was TRYING to keep Francine's name out of it.  Last night, Janet (innocently) revealed Francine's name. I know her intentions were sincere and righteous, but she apparently did not see my previous posts. Janet was annoyed at me. I sincerely apologize -- I was just trying to spare Francine from being reintroduced to those ridiculous accusations.
I was also here last night......it was a MISUNDERSTANDING...oh...give me a break (as in I'm not buying the BS)...canada



   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1935 on: May 17, 2009, 02:04:46 AM
   
Quote from: billb on May 17, 2009, 01:56:24 AM
Team,
Don't let oh....give me a break...canada...come between us...That is the dark sides plan....
Keep the focus where it belongs...Justice for Natalee!
Keep it real folks....
Wreck posted...
You are right -- I'm sorry. It is just that oh____ posted a pic of her a few nights ago and it really infuriated me. I posted a response that it was really unfair to dredge Francine's name up again after 4 years. She is only guilty of being one of Natalee's closest friends. I was hoping to keep her name out of this latest dribble from OC.
A MISUNDERSTANDING.....
Janet will be back....
We are all here after 4 years for ONE THING....
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
.........

Thanks billb, you got that right!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 08:36:21 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Have a great Monday everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 08:50:30 AM
. . . and a great Monday to you too, texasMom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 18, 2009, 09:06:15 AM
Good Morning Everyone.  What a happy Monday.  I'm off from work.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 18, 2009, 09:29:12 AM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?

Let me just say YES.

And let me also say, McKinsey was certainly not the first media/public information Advisor that was likely on Aruba's payroll - they are simply the most recent.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 18, 2009, 09:48:07 AM
Good Morning Everyone.  What a happy Monday.  I'm off from work.  ::MonkeyWink::

I'm jealous!!!!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 18, 2009, 10:07:30 AM
Kermit,
Could you expound on "MCKINSEY AND COMPANY"?

I actually did not work on that. I just posted what was known.
I have been working on other stuff (oil/pipeline, paulus and couple of others)and talking with the
state Att. DA, attorney general, Witch ta Police etc etc.
People want to threaten me and stalk me - so be it!


Okay, is it likely that MCKINSEY AND COMPANY are on Aruba's payroll?

Let me just say YES.

And let me also say, McKinsey was certainly not the first media/public information Advisor that was likely on Aruba's payroll - they are simply the most recent.

Let me bit a little bit clearer with this.

ohcanada made a post here at SM that just didn't strike me as "right" for the usual mind set of a Monkey.

I posted some bait, directing them to the Freebird blog.

At that blog (at the same time of day ohcanada is usually here) there was a hit from that link at SM by a person at McKinsey.

McKinsey has an office in Calgary.

So...........................the deduction was - "ohcanada" is that person.

That could be incorrect - but SOMEONE working for McKinsey is reading here at SM, and took the bait I laid out to go to the Freebird blog.

So says a little birdie who told me/showed me the hit.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 10:13:31 AM
Good Morning Everyone.  What a happy Monday.  I'm off from work.  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning San. 
Enjoy your day off ...  it is a holiday Monday in Canada.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 11:19:28 AM
Good morning monkeys!

It's a great day for justice for Natalee! 

It's a great day for some good news!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Helen Back







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 11:22:47 AM
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/education/entries/2009/05/18/mother_of_natalee_holloway_to.html

Mother of Natalee Holloway to speak at Austin High
By Laura Heinauer | Monday, May 18, 2009, 09:01 AM

Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Birmingham, Ala., woman who disappeared in 2005 while on a senior graduation trip in Aruba, will speak to an assembly at Austin High School today.

The assembly will be at 11 a.m. in the Performing Arts Center at the school, located at 1715 W. Cesar Chavez.

District officials said Holloway has been visiting high schools around the country to urge students to be cautious when traveling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: DPJ on May 18, 2009, 11:26:43 AM
It is not my habit to correct someone and certainly not to be offensive, but in this case I think the translation of Sandy is a bit loose. If you don't mind I give here my translation.

In the last few days again a discussion came up about the Gamingboard. In some way there is a commotion between the controllers (= bouncers), who do not know what will happen to them. There seems to be a plan to get rid of the checks at the casino doors. It is said that in the coming days they will start a new procedure with one bouncer controlling two casino's at the same time. According the labour union that is against the law because without a bouncer a casino is not allowed to open his doors. Saturday morning a bouncer went to work and found to his surprise that his desk had disappeared. There was no way to work. The labour union took the case immediately. Click here to know what happened more.

After some questions the desk seems to be returned again. At the Holliday Inn is the only casino who lost his first desk. We can expect more problems in this case with the bouncers of casino's.

Thanks for the translation Cageman, a question are casino bouncers the same as security guys, such as those arrested in 2005 or is hotel security and casino security a separate matter?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 18, 2009, 11:32:42 AM
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/education/entries/2009/05/18/mother_of_natalee_holloway_to.html

Mother of Natalee Holloway to speak at Austin High
By Laura Heinauer | Monday, May 18, 2009, 09:01 AM

Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Birmingham, Ala., woman who disappeared in 2005 while on a senior graduation trip in Aruba, will speak to an assembly at Austin High School today.

The assembly will be at 11 a.m. in the Performing Arts Center at the school, located at 1715 W. Cesar Chavez.

District officials said Holloway has been visiting high schools around the country to urge students to be cautious when traveling.


Thanks klaas!

Beth's message is certainly being heard, and paid attention to.  The Freebird blog still gets hits from educational institutions from across the country.

So people ARE listening!!!

Hopefully her talks are having an impact on the students, and they are being more watchful and mindful when they travel.  Especially outside the country.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: Cageman on May 18, 2009, 11:39:50 AM
It is not my habit to correct someone and certainly not to be offensive, but in this case I think the translation of Sandy is a bit loose. If you don't mind I give here my translation.

In the last few days again a discussion came up about the Gamingboard. In some way there is a commotion between the controllers (= bouncers), who do not know what will happen to them. There seems to be a plan to get rid of the checks at the casino doors. It is said that in the coming days they will start a new procedure with one bouncer controlling two casino's at the same time. According the labour union that is against the law because without a bouncer a casino is not allowed to open his doors. Saturday morning a bouncer went to work and found to his surprise that his desk had disappeared. There was no way to work. The labour union took the case immediately. Click here to know what happened more.

After some questions the desk seems to be returned again. At the Holliday Inn is the only casino who lost his first desk. We can expect more problems in this case with the bouncers of casino's.

Thanks for the translation Cageman, a question are casino bouncers the same as security guys, such as those arrested in 2005 or is hotel security and casino security a separate matter?
I really do not know, DPJ!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 11:52:23 AM
It is not my habit to correct someone and certainly not to be offensive, but in this case I think the translation of Sandy is a bit loose. If you don't mind I give here my translation.

In the last few days again a discussion came up about the Gamingboard. In some way there is a commotion between the controllers (= bouncers), who do not know what will happen to them. There seems to be a plan to get rid of the checks at the casino doors. It is said that in the coming days they will start a new procedure with one bouncer controlling two casino's at the same time. According the labour union that is against the law because without a bouncer a casino is not allowed to open his doors. Saturday morning a bouncer went to work and found to his surprise that his desk had disappeared. There was no way to work. The labour union took the case immediately. Click here to know what happened more.

After some questions the desk seems to be returned again. At the Holliday Inn is the only casino who lost his first desk. We can expect more problems in this case with the bouncers of casino's.

Thanks for the translation Cageman, a question are casino bouncers the same as security guys, such as those arrested in 2005 or is hotel security and casino security a separate matter?

Cageman or someone else may know better than I since I've never been to Aruba, but when we stayed at a resort hotel in the Dominican Republic the casino had it's own staff at the entrance and in various sections.  There were usually two at the door when the casino was busy.  Since it was a small casino, they also monitored the number of people who came in, probably due to occupancy regulations/code.  IIRC, they wore IDs and directed anyone with questions or problems to the proper area.  Just from my experience, the casino would be like any of the other concessions within a hotel, hiring their own employees, and would not be connected to the hotel management and security manpower directly.   jmo, of course.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
Thank you for the translation, Cageman. 

Knowing that Controller = Bouncer certainly changes the story!







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 12:00:12 PM
Thank you for the translation, Cageman. 

Knowing that Controller = Bouncer certainly changes the story!







Yes, I agree & thank Cageman, as well.  I must say, however, that Sandy Leiva's loose translations have been valued through the years, and so much better than the papiamento translator.    ::MonkeyConfused::   Just want her to know her work is appreciated. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 12:27:05 PM
It is not my habit to correct someone and certainly not to be offensive, but in this case I think the translation of Sandy is a bit loose. If you don't mind I give here my translation.

In the last few days again a discussion came up about the Gamingboard. In some way there is a commotion between the controllers (= bouncers), who do not know what will happen to them. There seems to be a plan to get rid of the checks at the casino doors. It is said that in the coming days they will start a new procedure with one bouncer controlling two casino's at the same time. According the labour union that is against the law because without a bouncer a casino is not allowed to open his doors. Saturday morning a bouncer went to work and found to his surprise that his desk had disappeared. There was no way to work. The labour union took the case immediately. Click here to know what happened more.

After some questions the desk seems to be returned again. At the Holliday Inn is the only casino who lost his first desk. We can expect more problems in this case with the bouncers of casino's.

Thanks for the translation Cageman, a question are casino bouncers the same as security guys, such as those arrested in 2005 or is hotel security and casino security a separate matter?

Cageman or someone else may know better than I since I've never been to Aruba, but when we stayed at a resort hotel in the Dominican Republic the casino had it's own staff at the entrance and in various sections.  There were usually two at the door when the casino was busy.  Since it was a small casino, they also monitored the number of people who came in, probably due to occupancy regulations/code.  IIRC, they wore IDs and directed anyone with questions or problems to the proper area.  Just from my experience, the casino would be like any of the other concessions within a hotel, hiring their own employees, and would not be connected to the hotel management and security manpower directly.   jmo, of course.

Based on the description of the door security of Casino's from Renfro, normal security guards and the casino door bouncer/security guards are different.  Not the same as regular security guards at all.  At the casino they are there also to check ID's which of course they don't do if your name is Joran van der Sloot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 12:35:54 PM
Thank you for the translation, Cageman. 

Knowing that Controller = Bouncer certainly changes the story!







Yes, I agree & thank Cageman, as well.  I must say, however, that Sandy Leiva's loose translations have been valued through the years, and so much better than the papiamento translator.    ::MonkeyConfused::   Just want her to know her work is appreciated. 

I agree 2NJ!  Sandy and Cageman are invaluable to us, and I am so glad they are both willing to help.  I can barely make sense from the Pamiamento translator results.

Thanks Sandy ::MonkeyAngel:: and Cageman  ::MonkeyAngel::!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 03:03:46 PM
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
Reply #404 on: Today at 02:03:59 PM

We met with Patrick while in Aruba. He said that he believed Paulus was Daury, but wouldn't come straight out and say it as if he were nervous about being recorded. I'm uncertain why he's being cryptic about it.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.400


Riehl World View Interview Coming | Main | Posted Without Comment
Friday, June 17, 2005
Interview With Van der Sloot Friend

DAN RIEHL: What did he do for a living, I've heard he's a judge.

Her: Yes, he judges, sometimes. But not always. I'm not sure what he did before. He traveled a lot, on business, I think.


The slide archive
SOVON and Saxifraga

www.saxifraga.nl

Stichting Saxifraga
Saxifraga is voortgekomen uit een initia-
tief van Jan van der Straaten, die tijdens

TRANSLATION
Foundation Saxifraga
Saxifraga is the result of an initiative
initiative of Jan van der Straaten, who during
holidays are a lot of slides of plants and
beasts made
zijn vakanties veel dias van planten en
beesten maakte
http://tinyurl.com/3jjlsb


Jan van der Straaten, Tilburg University, The Netherlands
.conbio.org/activities/meetings/2002/website/symposia2.html#Symposium8


Oduber, Straaten, Smid, and Paulus all went to Tilburg University.


Paulus set up contracts

Paulus traveled a lot on business, a close friend said in the interview with Dan Riehl.

Paulus was a "high-stakes gambler".

Paulus came home from Holland on a long flight, had children at home and went out to the Excelsior casino to gamble with his son the night Natalee went missing.

He went on a Sunday, the day of rest, knowing his son had school the next day!

Joran called Daury to get rid of the body.

Joran is suppose to be in school in Holland, but he is doing drugs and setting up with Patrick to sell drugs.

Joran moves to Thailand and tries to set up a sex trafficking business.


Just like PAPA.


Kermit are you sure the other 2 brothers were home?

Icehawk, I finally found this...I knew I had it saved somewhere!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.msg171126#msg171126

 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Lively Case Discussion #630 5/28 - 5/29/2007  on: May 30, 2007, 12:00:20 AM 
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI ..............






Well, since I am the only one blabbin away on here today, I will continue the takeover.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Kermit,

Thank you for all this info about Paulus, the linchpin of the case. 

I hope you and others can continue to connect the dots through Paulus and his cronies.


I look forward to the day it all starts to unravel and can't wait to see who shakes out.

Thank you Texasmom, for the info on the other VDS kids that night.

Helen Back



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 03:04:29 PM
Mark Purcell posted he has hired attorney's to stalk me

Ya think something I posted has hit a nerve?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 03:10:41 PM
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8724/mip6postmarkpurcell.jpg)

For the record - Mark Purcell and his "team of attorney's" asking how my "early out for mental health" is a bold-faced lie!

But I am pretty sure most people know that is all they can do is lie, slander, theaten and stalk.

Also, just to reiterate, Mark Purcells IP is recorded sending capslockwizard to Freebirds! - See Mark, MONKEYS ARE NOT AS STUPID AS YOU THINK!


You have been added to the FBI report Mark. How do you like them apple's you AMERICAN TRAITOR!
imo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 03:12:15 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Ree on May 18, 2009, 03:13:25 PM
Kermit, Helen Back, ksupon, bastibro and 9 Guests are viewing this topic.

Ree's here now too!  You go girl! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 03:15:47 PM
 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

If he has attorneys, they should be stalking him.

Sorry Kermit.  You always seem to be the target.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Mark Purcell posted he has hired attorney's to stalk me

Ya think something I posted has hit a nerve?

What's Purcell need Attorney's for? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
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Ree's here now too!  You go girl! ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Ree,

We're on a roll.
We've got old crusty baldie lying again trying to protect his IFA & Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 03:18:45 PM
:smt045 :smt045 :smt045

If he has attorneys, they should be stalking him.

Sorry Kermit.  You always seem to be the target.

I got an email this morning that They posted a death threat this morning directed at me over at that site I do not belong too,

Guess I hit a nerve with the information I posted.
Patterns, patterns.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 03:20:29 PM
:smt045 :smt045 :smt045

If he has attorneys, they should be stalking him.

Sorry Kermit.  You always seem to be the target.

I got an email this morning that They posted a death threat this morning directed at me over at that site I do not belong too,

Guess I hit a nerve with the information I posted.
Patterns, patterns.




 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 03:22:11 PM
Mark Purcell posted he has hired attorney's to stalk me

Ya think something I posted has hit a nerve?

What's Purcell need Attorney's for? ::MonkeyCool::

He says his attorney's are the ones stalking me so they can give him information that btw, is false and a complete bold-faced lie. go figger!

Would they like the tape recording of the Aruba national threatening me?
Perhaps they would like the IPS of Mark Purcell and his gang that created the pond hoax?

Well, they can subpoena them from the FBI, Attorney General, CIA.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 03:24:15 PM
:smt045 :smt045 :smt045

If he has attorneys, they should be stalking him.

Sorry Kermit.  You always seem to be the target.

I got an email this morning that They posted a death threat this morning directed at me over at that site I do not belong too,

Guess I hit a nerve with the information I posted.
Patterns, patterns.




 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



A Death Threat... ::MonkeyShocked:: WoW..Sure hate to be the one sending Death Threats!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 03:26:16 PM
Mark Purcell posted he has hired attorney's to stalk me

Ya think something I posted has hit a nerve?

What's Purcell need Attorney's for? ::MonkeyCool::

He says his attorney's are the ones stalking me so they can give him information that btw, is false and a complete bold-faced lie. go figger!

Would they like the tape recording of the Aruba national threatening me?
Perhaps they would like the IPS of Mark Purcell and his gang that created the pond hoax?

Well, they can subpoena them from the FBI, Attorney General, CIA.







Do we really think any American Attorney is going to stalk someone?If they're an attorney with any credibility they have more important things to do then stalk a Muppet! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 03:27:04 PM
Mark Purcell posted he has hired attorney's to stalk me

Ya think something I posted has hit a nerve?

What's Purcell need Attorney's for? ::MonkeyCool::

He says his attorney's are the ones stalking me so they can give him information that btw, is false and a complete bold-faced lie. go figger!

Would they like the tape recording of the Aruba national threatening me?
Perhaps they would like the IPS of Mark Purcell and his gang that created the pond hoax?

Well, they can subpoena them from the FBI, Attorney General, CIA.







Attorneys don't spend time stalking folks, unless they are CharlieRat.

My experience with attorneys is that they barely deal with what you spoon feed them.

I hope that death threat is in writing.  Go get em Kermit.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
Dutch use Aruba not as an investment, BUT for offshore banking to hide assets!

Paulus and CMB bank, Arlene and CMB bank, Antino Carlos on board of a bank and Lincoln Gomez on board of a bank and Swean on board of a bank.



Paulus interview
"Before this happened I was in the middle of a change. In 2004-2005 I worked I Den Bosch as a judge in training concerning civil cases. I've worked very hard & learned a lot there...


 The Netherlands has five higher courts. They are: Amsterdam, The Hague, Arnhem, Leeuwarden and Den Bosch.


So Paulus was WORKING for one of these five higher courts!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PROFESSIONAL OFFSHORE INCORPORATIONS AND OFFSHORE BANKING SERVICES SINCE 1995

Q. What is an Apostille?
An Apostille is a form of verification issued by Competent Authority in the country verifying the signature and seal of a notary or other public officer, so that the document  bearing his/her signature and seal can take effect in countries which have ratified the Hauge Convention for the Abolition of Consular Legtalistation of 1961. It is normally possible to obtain the Apostille on a same day or next day basis.
http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm

You open a bank account in Aruba through the mail. You do not have to go there in person.
You get an Apostille to basically notarize your documents for approval.
You get an Apostille at the CENTRAL BUREAU LEGAL AND GENERAL AFFAIRS!
http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm#aruba
WHERE PAULUS WORKED in 2004 - 2005 he said in his interview.



Judge Smid was an expert in money laundering. He fled the island and faxed a reversal decision
He let Joran go free and he let Paulus go free.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal is the Judge who ruled to keep the security Guards in detainment.
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Judge Bob Witt - denied search of the van der sloot property entirely

Paulus was friends with all the judges, he also was working at the
"Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba."

"Before this happened I was in the middle of a change. In 2004-2005 I worked I Den Bosch as a judge in training concerning civil cases.


So Paulus was working for one of the 5 higher courts and doing contracts for the Central Bureau of Legal & General Affairs on ARuba - the place that people who want to set up a business must go to in order to get their bank account/business set up in Aruba with OFFSHORE BANKING.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 03:47:33 PM
You can also pay via internet.  IFAs account number with Caribbean Mercantile Bank is 24 21 32 01 Stichting International Friends of Aruba. (posted in IFA newsletter).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
You can also pay via internet.  IFAs account number with Caribbean Mercantile Bank is 24 21 32 01 Stichting International Friends of Aruba. (posted in IFA newsletter).

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 04:31:17 PM
I can only think of one reason that there would be three or four blogs that spend their time
bashing and stalking Kermit and Scared Monkeys.....that would be that they are afraid of being
exposed for what they are and what they have done to Natalee and her family.

If nothing that Kermit or the Monkeys posted was true, there would be no reason for them to
continue.

I don't kow how Kermit takes all of the abuse.  Kermit is very brave.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 04:41:01 PM
I can only think of one reason that there would be three or four blogs that spend their time
bashing and stalking Kermit and Scared Monkeys.....that would be that they are afraid of being
exposed for what they are and what they have done to Natalee and her family.

If nothing that Kermit or the Monkeys posted was true, there would be no reason for them to
continue.

I don't kow how Kermit takes all of the abuse.  Kermit is very brave.


I agree Magnolia.I would expect nothing less from those in Aruba but,if it is an American who is making a Death threat.I've got one thing to say..Three Hot's and a cot await you! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 18, 2009, 04:51:22 PM
Wonder if his attorney has a Chicago connection.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 04:53:49 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 18, 2009, 05:01:36 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


The Truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


They are big and tough as they sit behind a keyboard.  They would probably wet their pants if they had to face
you in person.  Your little tiny Gidget self could back their fat asses into a corner any day.
I don't know how you have stood the abuse either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 05:10:37 PM
Oranjestaad: A new suspect has emerged in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Mark Purcell, the balding rotund hotel employee at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba is the target of Dutch authorities who recently visited Aruba.

Mr. Purcell, who manages the tanning salon at the Marriott is married to the manager of Moombas. Marlene, his wife was recently questioned by Dutch authorities. Natalee Holloway was photographed in Moombas the night before she was murdered by the Van der sloots.

His son Mark Jr. is a bartender at Moombas.

It appears early on in the investigation, Mr. Purcell was found with a large quantity of Rohypnol, commonly known as a date rape drug. When asked about it, he claimed it was for "personal use." His wife backed up that claim, saying "Mark needs it to masturbate."

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/11/new-suspect-emerges-in-aruba-murder.html

Strange stories about this guy available all over the Internet..
They He and his Wife were named as suspects in the case of missing teenager Natalee Holloway and interviewed by Dutch Police at one point ??
Does he have an attorney named Taco something ?
Rohypnol to masterbate ??  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyRoll::

All I know is what I read... lol







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 05:11:43 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


They are big and tough as they sit behind a keyboard.  They would probably wet their pants if they had to face
you in person.  Your little tiny Gidget self could back their fat asses into a corner any day.
I don't know how you have stood the abuse either.

Magnolia - wonder if it has something to do with this report the CBS station in Birmingham is set to report on tonight, the one with new evidence and Jossy?

Something has their panties in a wad  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 05:16:09 PM
Edward - So you think MIP6 is getting upset now for something written at Arubadirtypolice back in 2006 and is taking it out on Kermit and me?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  j/k


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 05:16:33 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


They are big and tough as they sit behind a keyboard.  They would probably wet their pants if they had to face
you in person.  Your little tiny Gidget self could back their fat asses into a corner any day.
I don't know how you have stood the abuse either.

Magnolia - wonder if it has something to do with this report the CBS station in Birmingham is set to report on tonight, the one with new evidence and Jossy?

Something has their panties in a wad  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Klaas...I think You may have hit the nail on the head full force....They are worried about what is about to be exposed tonight....with any luck They might be shackled and in US custody soon.....Wouldn't that be GRAND!  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyWink::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 05:16:58 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


They are big and tough as they sit behind a keyboard.  They would probably wet their pants if they had to face
you in person.  Your little tiny Gidget self could back their fat asses into a corner any day.
I don't know how you have stood the abuse either.

Magnolia - wonder if it has something to do with this report the CBS station in Birmingham is set to report on tonight, the one with new evidence and Jossy?

Something has their panties in a wad  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wondered about that too.  I just don't know at this point what the report contains.
I did hear early this morning that one part will be about Beth's safe travels program.

I think their panties are in a wad because somebody said that Lorain was Reality.
Eeeewwww, I wouldn't want anybody to think Lorain was me. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 05:24:54 PM
According to Angelala the report will be in 4 or 5 segments.
Tonight will be the first of the lot.  They have been saying that it would be on the 10PM news,
but this morning the girl on the Early Morning Show said that it would be at 5 & 10.
She is kinda dingy, so she could have been mistaken.  She is the one who told about Beth's safe travels.
I know there will be many reporting what they hear, but I will watch.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 05:27:06 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


They are big and tough as they sit behind a keyboard.  They would probably wet their pants if they had to face
you in person.  Your little tiny Gidget self could back their fat asses into a corner any day.
I don't know how you have stood the abuse either.

Magnolia - wonder if it has something to do with this report the CBS station in Birmingham is set to report on tonight, the one with new evidence and Jossy?

Something has their panties in a wad  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe the story coming up is better than we think?  I can only hope. 

Seriously, Klaas, I don't know how you take it either.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 05:27:52 PM
Edward - So you think MIP6 is getting upset now for something written at Arubadirtypolice back in 2006 and is taking it out on Kermit and me?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  j/k

Yep...  ::MonkeyCool:: MPI6 has made many posts over time too..
What can I say ?
 They stuck there noses into this a long time ago and IF he really did have the date rape drug in his posetion in Aruba, for what ever reason.. ::MonkeyConfused::
Has He has sold it to others ? and Have THEY hurt others with that drug ?

IF any of that is true.. THEN The F.B.I. or INTERPOL or the Dutch police should be taking another look at him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 05:35:03 PM
Oranjestaad: A new suspect has emerged in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Mark Purcell, the balding rotund hotel employee at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba is the target of Dutch authorities who recently visited Aruba.

Mr. Purcell, who manages the tanning salon at the Marriott is married to the manager of Moombas. Marlene, his wife was recently questioned by Dutch authorities. Natalee Holloway was photographed in Moombas the night before she was murdered by the Van der sloots.

His son Mark Jr. is a bartender at Moombas.

It appears early on in the investigation, Mr. Purcell was found with a large quantity of Rohypnol, commonly known as a date rape drug. When asked about it, he claimed it was for "personal use." His wife backed up that claim, saying "Mark needs it to masturbate."

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/11/new-suspect-emerges-in-aruba-murder.html

Strange stories about this guy available all over the Internet..
They He and his Wife were named as suspects in the case of missing teenager Natalee Holloway and interviewed by Dutch Police at one point ??
Does he have an attorney named Taco something ?
Rohypnol to masterbate ??  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyRoll::

All I know is what I read... lol







Thanks, Edward.  OOOOooHHH, How I LOVE THAT STORY.  Glald you brought it back. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I know he was glad his wife cleared that up!    ::MonkeyRoll::

For some reason, Mark Purcell put himself squarely in the middle of this.  Gotta wonder why?







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 05:35:38 PM
hotping, Helen Back, Keepthefaith, Magnolia, klaasend, San, can, Buckeye, Cageman and 14 guests ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 05:36:34 PM
Oranjestaad: A new suspect has emerged in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Mark Purcell, the balding rotund hotel employee at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba is the target of Dutch authorities who recently visited Aruba.

Mr. Purcell, who manages the tanning salon at the Marriott is married to the manager of Moombas. Marlene, his wife was recently questioned by Dutch authorities. Natalee Holloway was photographed in Moombas the night before she was murdered by the Van der sloots.

His son Mark Jr. is a bartender at Moombas.

It appears early on in the investigation, Mr. Purcell was found with a large quantity of Rohypnol, commonly known as a date rape drug. When asked about it, he claimed it was for "personal use." His wife backed up that claim, saying "Mark needs it to masturbate."
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/11/new-suspect-emerges-in-aruba-murder.html

Strange stories about this guy available all over the Internet..
They He and his Wife were named as suspects in the case of missing teenager Natalee Holloway and interviewed by Dutch Police at one point ??
Does he have an attorney named Taco something ?
Rohypnol to masterbate ??  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyRoll::

All I know is what I read... lol








 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 05:41:30 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 05:48:55 PM
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WoW...Patterns,patterns,patterns


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 05:49:15 PM
Mother Warns Austin Students About Travel Dangers

http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/051809kvue_Holloway_talk-cb.170a9b37.html#

03:39 PM CDT on Monday, May 18, 2009

By TOM HARRIS
KVUE News

It's been almost four years since high school senior Natalee Holloway disappeared off the island of Aruba. It's a story that captured worldwide attention.

KVUE News

Beth Holloway

Beth Holloway, mother of the missing girl, travels the US warning students about the dangers when traveling abroad. She spent the morning at Austin High School.

Holloway believes her daughter was kidnapped, raped and murdered. She says it's a tough story to tell, but one that high school students need to hear.

"There is a real connection. I think they can see themselves in Natalee's shoes, and I think they can also see me as their parent," she said.

Holloway says she is not discouraging the students from traveling. She just wants them to always have a plan and stick together.

Austin High Student Kellie Dashiell was listening.

"I think it's important because whenever people my age travel, they never expect something like that to happen," Dashiell said.

Austin High student Courtney Upstatd says it's a good message to hear.

"We went to Costa Rica for a month without parents. It is a completely different atmosphere than America and you just really need to be aware of your surroundings," said Upstatd.

It was the Austin High School parents who brought Holloway in to talk to their kids.

"Who would have ever thought that with a group of hundred students, chaperoned... that something like this could happen. Parents never want to get that phone call," said Christi Davidson, who has a son at the school.

Holloway says she may never get justice for Natalee's death, but she wants to help others.

"They are always very appreciative and will come up to me just to say thank you. They say it gives them a whole new perspective on how they want to live their lives," Holloway said.

Austin High School students gave Holloway a standing ovation at the end of her presentation.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Good for Beth!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 05:51:25 PM
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WoW...Patterns,patterns,patterns

Someone brought some friends... ::MonkeyCool::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 05:52:27 PM
Good afternoon
 Keepthefaith, Helen Back, Magnolia, can, hotping, Debbie, cajun miracle, klaasend and 20 Guests.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 05:54:10 PM
Hi MuffyBee!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 05:59:16 PM
HI Monkeys!

I was one of the guests up there   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 06:01:43 PM
Hi MuffyBee!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi hotping  :smt006

I see you now, Artcolley  :smt117   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 06:08:06 PM
Hya, Muffy!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 06:10:38 PM
I often pull up the page here and then have to go off and do something and forget the page is open!
Its planting season here on the farm and I am busy with the greenhouse and the seedlings. I swear, they take more care than the animals right now and I don't do well with multi-tasking!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:18:15 PM
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock!

Patience is a Virtue! Patience is A Virtue!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:19:53 PM
I often pull up the page here and then have to go off and do something and forget the page is open!
Its planting season here on the farm and I am busy with the greenhouse and the seedlings. I swear, they take more care than the animals right now and I don't do well with multi-tasking!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Artcolley it sounds like You have Your hands full!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 06:21:24 PM
Did someone say Tick Tock?!

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:21:44 PM
Aruba Four Years Later: Financial Impact
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 3:55 pm 

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(CBS 42) Four years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the story is still very much on the minds of the people of Aruba.

Evert jan van Versendaal has lived on the island of Aruba for more than a decade.  He came here to run a restaurant, but ever since the Natalee Holloway disappearance, he's seen the country he loves turn into the black eye of the Caribbean.

"There is still a little cloud over Aruba, and still people are going to doubt like I am not going to go there."

And it infuriates him.

"How many people are missing in Alabama?  Is there every day a big show in Alabama?  Is the whole world watching Alabama?  But now the whole world was watching Aruba.

And then to add insult to injury, Beth Holloway's plea for a tourist boycottEvert says only affected the innocent mom and pop shops.

"They were the first ones that were hurt.  The big companies, there were a lot of money behind the big hotels, they will survive.  But if tourism is down like 25%, thats a lot with a small business.

But its been four years, and Evert says the tourists have returned.  While many businesses say they are recovering from the Natalee Holloway situation, others say they are still affected, especially in this bad economy just like everyone else.

"Right now the business is going down.  We are in high season, but we don't have the high season in two years already."

Tony Matilda runs a small business on the beaches of Aruba, showing tourists there is more to do than lay by the water.

"I do the jet skiing, the water sporting, the para sailing, the jet skiing, skuba diving, snorkeling."

But it seems like in past few months he's done a lot less rentals and a lot more sitting around, just like many restaurant servers.

"They see that the place is so calm, no not that much business, and why it so calm.  I start to tell them about the economy and they jump at the Natalee thing.  I personally think its part of the economy and it has something to do with Natalee too," said Elston Peterson.

Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.
 
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 06:23:52 PM
I often pull up the page here and then have to go off and do something and forget the page is open!
Its planting season here on the farm and I am busy with the greenhouse and the seedlings. I swear, they take more care than the animals right now and I don't do well with multi-tasking!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Artcolley it sounds like You have Your hands full!  ::MonkeyWink::

I do, but I love it, AND it helps me in the patience department   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 06:24:33 PM
Well there was a Natalee report on CBS 42 during the 5 PM News.
I forgot what time it was and missed all but the last little bit.  Surely Angelala or Loranin or Lalas saw it.

This is what I heard:  The people of Aruba are hoping that the next time something like this happens,
the government will go ahead and prosecute those responsible and not make the people of the island
suffer.
Tonight at 10 Jossy will be on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
Did someone say Tick Tock?!

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:25:16 PM
I often pull up the page here and then have to go off and do something and forget the page is open!
Its planting season here on the farm and I am busy with the greenhouse and the seedlings. I swear, they take more care than the animals right now and I don't do well with multi-tasking!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Artcolley it sounds like You have Your hands full!  ::MonkeyWink::

I do, but I love it, AND it helps me in the patience department   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 06:26:45 PM
Good afternoon
 Keepthefaith, Helen Back, Magnolia, can, hotping, Debbie, cajun miracle, klaasend and 20 Guests.   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi MuffyBee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 06:26:54 PM
Aruba Four Years Later: Financial Impact
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 3:55 pm 

Print Story | Share this Story   

(CBS 42) Four years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the story is still very much on the minds of the people of Aruba.

Evert jan van Versendaal has lived on the island of Aruba for more than a decade.  He came here to run a restaurant, but ever since the Natalee Holloway disappearance, he's seen the country he loves turn into the black eye of the Caribbean.

"There is still a little cloud over Aruba, and still people are going to doubt like I am not going to go there."

And it infuriates him.

"How many people are missing in Alabama?  Is there every day a big show in Alabama?  Is the whole world watching Alabama?  But now the whole world was watching Aruba.

And then to add insult to injury, Beth Holloway's plea for a tourist boycottEvert says only affected the innocent mom and pop shops.

"They were the first ones that were hurt.  The big companies, there were a lot of money behind the big hotels, they will survive.  But if tourism is down like 25%, thats a lot with a small business.

But its been four years, and Evert says the tourists have returned.   While many businesses say they are recovering from the Natalee Holloway situation, others say they are still affected, especially in this bad economy just like everyone else.

"Right now the business is going down.  We are in high season, but we don't have the high season in two years already."

Tony Matilda runs a small business on the beaches of Aruba, showing tourists there is more to do than lay by the water.

"I do the jet skiing, the water sporting, the para sailing, the jet skiing, skuba diving, snorkeling."

But it seems like in past few months he's done a lot less rentals and a lot more sitting around, just like many restaurant servers.

"They see that the place is so calm, no not that much business, and why it so calm.  I start to tell them about the economy and they jump at the Natalee thing.  I personally think its part of the economy and it has something to do with Natalee too," said Elston Peterson.

Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.
 
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx

This is probably true (see bolded above) Weren't there TWO tourists at the sign in Aruba last time we looked, rather than one or none?   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:26:56 PM
Well there was a Natalee report on CBS 42 during the 5 PM News.
I forgot what time it was and missed all but the last little bit.  Surely Angelala or Loranin or Lalas saw it.

This is what I heard:  The people of Aruba are hoping that the next time something like this happens,
the government will go ahead and prosecute those responsible and not make the people of the island
suffer.
Tonight at 10 Jossy will be on.
Thank You Magnolia..I can't wait to hear what Jossy has to say!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
Aruba Four Years Later: Financial Impact
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 3:55 pm 

Print Story | Share this Story   

(CBS 42) Four years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the story is still very much on the minds of the people of Aruba.

Evert jan van Versendaal has lived on the island of Aruba for more than a decade.  He came here to run a restaurant, but ever since the Natalee Holloway disappearance, he's seen the country he loves turn into the black eye of the Caribbean.

"There is still a little cloud over Aruba, and still people are going to doubt like I am not going to go there."

And it infuriates him.

"How many people are missing in Alabama?  Is there every day a big show in Alabama?  Is the whole world watching Alabama?  But now the whole world was watching Aruba.

And then to add insult to injury, Beth Holloway's plea for a tourist boycottEvert says only affected the innocent mom and pop shops.

"They were the first ones that were hurt.  The big companies, there were a lot of money behind the big hotels, they will survive.  But if tourism is down like 25%, thats a lot with a small business.

But its been four years, and Evert says the tourists have returned.   While many businesses say they are recovering from the Natalee Holloway situation, others say they are still affected, especially in this bad economy just like everyone else.

"Right now the business is going down.  We are in high season, but we don't have the high season in two years already."

Tony Matilda runs a small business on the beaches of Aruba, showing tourists there is more to do than lay by the water.

"I do the jet skiing, the water sporting, the para sailing, the jet skiing, skuba diving, snorkeling."

But it seems like in past few months he's done a lot less rentals and a lot more sitting around, just like many restaurant servers.

"They see that the place is so calm, no not that much business, and why it so calm.  I start to tell them about the economy and they jump at the Natalee thing.  I personally think its part of the economy and it has something to do with Natalee too," said Elston Peterson.

Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.
 
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx

This is probably true (see bolded above) Weren't there TWO tourists at the sign in Aruba last time we looked, rather than one or none?   ::MonkeyDevil::
Yep...I believe both of the tourists have returned!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 06:28:26 PM
Well there was a Natalee report on CBS 42 during the 5 PM News.
I forgot what time it was and missed all but the last little bit.  Surely Angelala or Loranin or Lalas saw it.

This is what I heard:  The people of Aruba are hoping that the next time something like this happens,
the government will go ahead and prosecute those responsible and not make the people of the island
suffer.
Tonight at 10 Jossy will be on.

From Texasmom's work i think it's pretty evident,as long as your part of the Dutch Elite,and or a player in the underbelly of Aruba,the chances of you doing time for any crime is SLIM TO NONE....The Govt will never prosecute it's own..Be curious to see what percentage of the Island is related to someone in the Govt!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 06:30:36 PM
Well there was a Natalee report on CBS 42 during the 5 PM News.
I forgot what time it was and missed all but the last little bit.  Surely Angelala or Loranin or Lalas saw it.

This is what I heard:  The people of Aruba are hoping that the next time something like this happens,
the government will go ahead and prosecute those responsible and not make the people of the island
suffer.
Tonight at 10 Jossy will be on.

This should be very interesting. I probably won't get it on TV , though, so will check here for a report on what was said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 06:31:04 PM
Well there was a Natalee report on CBS 42 during the 5 PM News.
I forgot what time it was and missed all but the last little bit.  Surely Angelala or Loranin or Lalas saw it.

This is what I heard:  The people of Aruba are hoping that the next time something like this happens,
the government will go ahead and prosecute those responsible and not make the people of the island
suffer.
Tonight at 10 Jossy will be on.
Thanks Magnolia.
I like that the people of Aurba are hoping the next time the gov. will prosecute.  However, why aren't they demanding it?!

I look forward to reading what Jossy has to say and thanks in advance for keeping us informed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 06:31:49 PM
Aruba Four Years Later: Financial Impact
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 3:55 pm 

Print Story | Share this Story   

(CBS 42) Four years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the story is still very much on the minds of the people of Aruba.

Evert jan van Versendaal has lived on the island of Aruba for more than a decade.  He came here to run a restaurant, but ever since the Natalee Holloway disappearance, he's seen the country he loves turn into the black eye of the Caribbean.

"There is still a little cloud over Aruba, and still people are going to doubt like I am not going to go there."

And it infuriates him.

"How many people are missing in Alabama?  Is there every day a big show in Alabama?  Is the whole world watching Alabama?  But now the whole world was watching Aruba.

And then to add insult to injury, Beth Holloway's plea for a tourist boycottEvert says only affected the innocent mom and pop shops.

"They were the first ones that were hurt.  The big companies, there were a lot of money behind the big hotels, they will survive.  But if tourism is down like 25%, thats a lot with a small business.

But its been four years, and Evert says the tourists have returned.   While many businesses say they are recovering from the Natalee Holloway situation, others say they are still affected, especially in this bad economy just like everyone else.

"Right now the business is going down.  We are in high season, but we don't have the high season in two years already."

Tony Matilda runs a small business on the beaches of Aruba, showing tourists there is more to do than lay by the water.

"I do the jet skiing, the water sporting, the para sailing, the jet skiing, skuba diving, snorkeling."

But it seems like in past few months he's done a lot less rentals and a lot more sitting around, just like many restaurant servers.

"They see that the place is so calm, no not that much business, and why it so calm.  I start to tell them about the economy and they jump at the Natalee thing.  I personally think its part of the economy and it has something to do with Natalee too," said Elston Peterson.

Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.
 
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx

This is probably true (see bolded above) Weren't there TWO tourists at the sign in Aruba last time we looked, rather than one or none?   ::MonkeyDevil::
Yep...I believe both of the tourists have returned!  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::
Probably Hotel help that they paid to pose there   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 06:32:56 PM
Well there was a Natalee report on CBS 42 during the 5 PM News.
I forgot what time it was and missed all but the last little bit.  Surely Angelala or Loranin or Lalas saw it.

This is what I heard:  The people of Aruba are hoping that the next time something like this happens,
the government will go ahead and prosecute those responsible and not make the people of the island
suffer.
Tonight at 10 Jossy will be on.
Thank You Magnolia..I can't wait to hear what Jossy has to say!  ::MonkeyCool::

Me too, hotping!   I didn't see your transcript until I had posted.  I rushed before I forgot. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Well there was a Natalee report on CBS 42 during the 5 PM News.
I forgot what time it was and missed all but the last little bit.  Surely Angelala or Loranin or Lalas saw it.

This is what I heard:  The people of Aruba are hoping that the next time something like this happens,
the government will go ahead and prosecute those responsible and not make the people of the island
suffer.
Tonight at 10 Jossy will be on.
Thank You Magnolia..I can't wait to hear what Jossy has to say!  ::MonkeyCool::

Me too, hotping!   I didn't see your transcript until I had posted.  I rushed before I forgot. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think that We were probably posting at the same time....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:37:22 PM
Aruba Four Years Later: Financial Impact
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 3:55 pm 

Print Story | Share this Story   

(CBS 42) Four years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the story is still very much on the minds of the people of Aruba.

Evert jan van Versendaal has lived on the island of Aruba for more than a decade.  He came here to run a restaurant, but ever since the Natalee Holloway disappearance, he's seen the country he loves turn into the black eye of the Caribbean.

"There is still a little cloud over Aruba, and still people are going to doubt like I am not going to go there."

And it infuriates him.

"How many people are missing in Alabama?  Is there every day a big show in Alabama?  Is the whole world watching Alabama?  But now the whole world was watching Aruba.

And then to add insult to injury, Beth Holloway's plea for a tourist boycottEvert says only affected the innocent mom and pop shops.

"They were the first ones that were hurt.  The big companies, there were a lot of money behind the big hotels, they will survive.  But if tourism is down like 25%, thats a lot with a small business.

But its been four years, and Evert says the tourists have returned.   While many businesses say they are recovering from the Natalee Holloway situation, others say they are still affected, especially in this bad economy just like everyone else.

"Right now the business is going down.  We are in high season, but we don't have the high season in two years already."

Tony Matilda runs a small business on the beaches of Aruba, showing tourists there is more to do than lay by the water.

"I do the jet skiing, the water sporting, the para sailing, the jet skiing, skuba diving, snorkeling."

But it seems like in past few months he's done a lot less rentals and a lot more sitting around, just like many restaurant servers.

"They see that the place is so calm, no not that much business, and why it so calm.  I start to tell them about the economy and they jump at the Natalee thing.  I personally think its part of the economy and it has something to do with Natalee too," said Elston Peterson.

Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.
 
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx

This is probably true (see bolded above) Weren't there TWO tourists at the sign in Aruba last time we looked, rather than one or none?   ::MonkeyDevil::
Yep...I believe both of the tourists have returned!  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::
Probably Hotel help that they paid to pose there   ::MonkeyDevil::
  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 06:38:55 PM
hotping, Kermit, can, Artcolley, Helen Back, Magnolia, Patriot and 19 Guests

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/mobile/holloways_mom_warns_student_travelers

Holloway's mom warns
student travelers
Beth Holloway talks about safe
traveling

Updated: Monday, 18 May 2009, 5:31 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 18 May 2009, 10:44 AM CDT

    * Mary Lee

AUSTIN (KXAN) - The mother of Natalee Holloway spoke to Austin High School students Monday about safe traveling.

Beth Holloway's daughter Natalee was allegedly abducted while on a senior graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.Beth has been visiting high schools across the country since her daughter's death.

The special assembly was at 11 a.m. Monday in the school's performing arts center.
<snipped>

Safe Summer Travel Youtube is in the article.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 06:45:44 PM
http://www.kvue.com/
Mother warns Austin students about travel dangers

03:39 PM CDT on Monday, May 18, 2009

By TOM HARRIS
KVUE News

It's been almost four years since high school senior Natalee Holloway disappeared off the island of Aruba. It's a story that captured worldwide attention.

KVUE News

Beth Holloway

Beth Holloway, mother of the missing girl, travels the US warning students about the dangers when traveling abroad. She spent the morning at Austin High School.

Holloway believes her daughter was kidnapped, raped and murdered. She says it's a tough story to tell, but one that high school students need to hear.

"There is a real connection. I think they can see themselves in Natalee's shoes, and I think they can also see me as their parent," she said.

Holloway says she is not discouraging the students from traveling. She just wants them to always have a plan and stick together.

Austin High Student Kellie Dashiell was listening.

"I think it's important because whenever people my age travel, they never expect something like that to happen," Dashiell said.

Austin High student Courtney Upstatd says it's a good message to hear.

"We went to Costa Rica for a month without parents. It is a completely different atmosphere than America and you just really need to be aware of your surroundings," said Upstatd.

It was the Austin High School parents who brought Holloway in to talk to their kids.

"Who would have ever thought that with a group of hundred students, chaperoned... that something like this could happen. Parents never want to get that phone call," said Christi Davidson, who has a son at the school.

Holloway says she may never get justice for Natalee's death, but she wants to help others.

"They are always very appreciative and will come up to me just to say thank you. They say it gives them a whole new perspective on how they want to live their lives," Holloway said.

Austin High School students gave Holloway a standing ovation at the end of her presentation.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 06:46:38 PM
Beth Holloway has so much strength. God Bless that woman, she has been through Hell and Back.
I long for the day when she finally finds out the truth about what happened or better yet, gets her daughter back.

In the meantime, look at all the good she is doing. Such strength just puts me in awe of her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 06:56:03 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


The Truth.


TRUTH

I was looking at some old posts on other forums and found this interesting:



MIP6 lived in Aruba - not a youngster and a SPY for tourism as he had a major administrative role in a mjor hotel - what he was doing on BFN - why they accepted them really tells me where they were at (in it for themselves and GULLIBLE) suposedly for the family. BAH.

Reality and he were in constant contact. So, let's put that in our pipes and smoke them.





Mark Purcell is a Marriott executive (hmm, can we say hidden agenda? Wonder if he might also be on the board of the Aruba Tourism Authority or something...).


Yes he is large man shaved head he works for the Marriott Hotel in Aruba
He allows the boys to get rooms and play at his hotel, drugs ,girls whatever anything to save Aruba Tourism.
Mark is his first name and if xxxx say so I will post his picture.
His wife works for Friends of Aruba I have her picture also.
All this was in US.
_________________



MIP6
Guest
Re: ARUBA TODAY ARTICLE ON MICHAEL POSNER
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2005, 01:25:42 PM »
WOW,
Julie has always been and continues to be a good editor in my book. No personal agenda that I see coming from her paper.


MIP6
What’s up Nainebug?
All good in TX I hope!
You still got my email addy?

Reply #14 on: March 06, 2006, 02:38:49 PM

MIP6 -

Howdo. Everything in Texas is warm .... planting season has began. Cool

I dont have the email addy ..... I bought a new computer..... I lost lots of info when the old one crashed. However you can reach me at  HYPERLINK "mailto:nainebug@xxxx.com"  ...... you might want to put your nic from here on the subject line..... that way it isnt deleted as junkmail Wink

Debbie , I hope you dont mind if I posted that openly. It is hotmail Grin And I dont open anything I dont recognize.






MIP6

Debbie as always you are welcome.

What I found very sad and disheartening in this thread was some of nasty things that where speculated about Wayne’s death.
I did not post this before because frankly I didn’t think it was anyones business to know, but I knew Wayne personally, he worked with me providing service to some of my equipment.
He was an engaging individual with a ready smile and quick wit and was always concerned about taking care of his friends.
The posts that where put up trying to link Wayne's passing to some sinister plot against Americans or part of some conspiracy related to Natalee was in my opinion completely out of line.

Quote from: akband27 on August 10, 2006, 06:36:47 PM
MIP6...can you tell us what bar you work in? I understand if you can't...did you know the bartender that was killed/overdosed? also do you personally know the VDS's and the Kalpoes?



MIP6 Reply #90 on: August 10, 2006, 06:47:40 PM
It is not C&C’s, I am too old for that crowd.
I would prefer not too, you how things get twisted.

I did not know the guy who was killed, again too young for my crowd.

Yes I have met most of the VDS family.

Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:54 pm;







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
I can only think of one reason that there would be three or four blogs that spend their time
bashing and stalking Kermit and Scared Monkeys.....that would be that they are afraid of being
exposed for what they are and what they have done to Natalee and her family.

If nothing that Kermit or the Monkeys posted was true, there would be no reason for them to
continue.

I don't kow how Kermit takes all of the abuse.  Kermit is very brave.


It's not easy being green.
ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 06:59:40 PM
Oranjestaad: A new suspect has emerged in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Mark Purcell, the balding rotund hotel employee at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba is the target of Dutch authorities who recently visited Aruba.

Mr. Purcell, who manages the tanning salon at the Marriott is married to the manager of Moombas. Marlene, his wife was recently questioned by Dutch authorities. Natalee Holloway was photographed in Moombas the night before she was murdered by the Van der sloots.

His son Mark Jr. is a bartender at Moombas.

It appears early on in the investigation, Mr. Purcell was found with a large quantity of Rohypnol, commonly known as a date rape drug. When asked about it, he claimed it was for "personal use." His wife backed up that claim, saying "Mark needs it to masturbate."

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/11/new-suspect-emerges-in-aruba-murder.html

Strange stories about this guy available all over the Internet..
They He and his Wife were named as suspects in the case of missing teenager Natalee Holloway and interviewed by Dutch Police at one point ??
Does he have an attorney named Taco something ?
Rohypnol to masterbate ??  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyRoll::

All I know is what I read... lol



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 07:04:15 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


They are big and tough as they sit behind a keyboard.  They would probably wet their pants if they had to face
you in person.  Your little tiny Gidget self could back their fat asses into a corner any day.
I don't know how you have stood the abuse either.

Magnolia - wonder if it has something to do with this report the CBS station in Birmingham is set to report on tonight, the one with new evidence and Jossy?

Something has their panties in a wad  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wondered about that too.  I just don't know at this point what the report contains.
I did hear early this morning that one part will be about Beth's safe travels program.

I think their panties are in a wad because somebody said that Lorain was Reality.
Eeeewwww, I wouldn't want anybody to think Lorain was me. ::MonkeyDevil::

Yes I agree. HE MUST HAVE A READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM.
Yapperz is the one that gave us that information.
 Plenty of people know that LoRain is a plant!
AND GUESS WHO shows up attacking me and Klassend with threats?????


BUT LoRain in her all knowing wisdom - did some search on me last night based upon an IP that blackbleached posted.
So they have been trying to find all about me through someone else's IP. go figger!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 07:08:10 PM
Sounds to me like MIP6 and REALITY are both threatening me and Kermit.  Warning Southern Californians like me about brush fires, etc. So if there are any odd occurances around I'll be sure and tell LE to check with MIP6 and Reality first as they have threatened.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What has them so upset all of a sudden?


They are big and tough as they sit behind a keyboard.  They would probably wet their pants if they had to face
you in person.  Your little tiny Gidget self could back their fat asses into a corner any day.
I don't know how you have stood the abuse either.

Magnolia - wonder if it has something to do with this report the CBS station in Birmingham is set to report on tonight, the one with new evidence and Jossy?

Something has their panties in a wad  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wondered about that too.  I just don't know at this point what the report contains.
I did hear early this morning that one part will be about Beth's safe travels program.

I think their panties are in a wad because somebody said that Lorain was Reality.
Eeeewwww, I wouldn't want anybody to think Lorain was me. ::MonkeyDevil::

Yes I agree. HE MUST HAVE A READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM.
Yapperz is the one that gave us that information.
 Plenty of people know that LoRain is a plant!
AND GUESS WHO shows up attacking me and Klassend with threats?????


BUT LoRain in her all knowing wisdom - did some search on me last night based upon an IP that blackbleached posted.
So they have been trying to find all about me through someone else's IP. go figger!





That made me giggle.......and Lorain thinks Capistrano is Pasta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 07:08:27 PM

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:21 am AKA MIP6 all from RU
Costa Rica runaway.
Never was late.
Must establish character.
No evidence of a crime.
“I’ll just leave it that I saw her there” (paraphrased) FEB
Lies and deception.
Love Bowls filled to overflowing.
Momma can’t even mention her name.
Jug’s knowledge of her pubic region
Bi-lingual young lady.
Kidnapped
No, missing
No, kidnapped, gang raped & murdered.
Posters ready at landing
“Call me Hootie” posters
Family investigation FIRST
Lies & deception
All quite on the MB front.
“If this gets out we all will go down, including Natalee” (paraphrase) Marcia Twitty
Diversionary tactics to keep the focus away from MB.
Self centered mom

All things point to a voluntary exit, not a crime.

Doc

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:40 pm; edited 1 time in total


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 07:10:56 PM
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:43 am aka Mark Purcell/MIP6

Iwabwu, you stupid fucktard.

Take your bullshit questions back to BFN or PFN, which ever one the family is generating all there investigative

information from.

Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior

to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag (thanks Wang) banshee of a

mother.

As Also –Dutch so eloquently stated, bring your facts or STFU.

Now I have some questions for you since it is early on a Saturday morning and my hangover is still in full gear I got

nothing better to do while the coffee brews.

Have you ever typed a sentence that did not end in question mark?
Did Beth do Joe M. in the elevator or bathroom in the lobby of the hotel in Philly?
How much does being a keyboard chimp pay?
Do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
Did your parents have any children that did not suffer brain damage?
What was the capitol of Upper Volta?
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around can YOU hear it?
Do you spit of swallow?
Do the voices in your head speak to you in English?
Have those voices ever told you to bring an electric appliance into the bathtub with you?
Why haven’t you followed the voices instructions yet?
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?

Doc






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 07:12:35 PM
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:43 am AKA MARK PURCELL/MIP6

Top my list would be Natalee.

Followed by Beth & Julia in the same room at the same time with me sitting off to the side controlling Jug on his

leash so he couldn’t shove Julia again.

Bad dog Jug, bad dog.

As I am asking the questions I could watch that little vein on Beth’s forehead start to throb with anger as Julia sits

there calmly giving truthful answers to what took place in reference to the conversations between the two of them in

those first few weeks.

When it’s Beth turn to answer all I would hear would be a bunch stammering & stuttering along with the “you knows” and

not relevant's.

Heel Jug, bad dog.

Doc




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 07:14:57 PM
and one more as KFT says keep talking so we get to know you better Mark Purcell

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:27 pm AKA MARK PURCELL/MIP6

I see HMI will stop at nothing to keep there Beth in the lime light, Jim Jones would be proud of this little cult that

has been developed.

Those participating in the hunger strike please contact Doc Holladay at
1-800-FUCKOFF just prior to you going in and out of conciseness so that I can insure your safe recovery, you bunch of
ignorant fucks.
My current going rate for resuscitating a person from self imposed stupidity is 3 Red Fires and a shot of JD, payment

required in advance.


Oh wait I’m on the wagon this month, oh well too bad.

Doc







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
and one more as KFT says keep talking so we get to know you better Mark Purcell

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:27 pm AKA MARK PURCELL/MIP6

I see HMI will stop at nothing to keep there Beth in the lime light, Jim Jones would be proud of this little cult that

has been developed.

Those participating in the hunger strike please contact Doc Holladay at
1-800-FUCKOFF just prior to you going in and out of conciseness so that I can insure your safe recovery, you bunch of
ignorant fucks.
My current going rate for resuscitating a person from self imposed stupidity is 3 Red Fires and a shot of JD, payment

required in advance.


Oh wait I’m on the wagon this month, oh well too bad.

Doc







As i'd love to call that phrase my own,i do believe it belongs to the Pulitzer Prize Winning Rob..... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 07:18:06 PM
And this person is freely allowed to post at BFN??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 07:20:53 PM
And this person is freely allowed to post at BFN??

And is BFF with Robin. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 07:27:29 PM
And this person is freely allowed to post at BFN??

And is BFF with Robin. ::MonkeyConfused::

I just can't wrap my brain around that....Really!Why would ANYONE be friends with this person,let alone Robin? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 07:32:47 PM
That made me giggle.......and Lorain thinks Capistrano is Pasta.

We're dealing with mindless wonders.
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 18, 2009, 07:34:38 PM
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm AKA MARK PURCELL/MIP6

If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?

Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.
Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.

Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population

of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person

who helped in the beginning.

Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.

Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.

Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.
Doc


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on May 18, 2009, 07:44:02 PM
@ Kermit



Can you get the info on Anita June 1st 2005 when she got off the flight from the Netherlands did she have the other 2 boy's with her?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 07:44:32 PM
This clown has serious "issues" and that Robin would enjoy him causes me serious concern. But, its her life and her Karma. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 07:45:49 PM
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:43 am AKA MARK PURCELL/MIP6

Top my list would be Natalee.

Followed by Beth & Julia in the same room at the same time with me sitting off to the side controlling Jug on his

leash so he couldn’t shove Julia again.
Bad dog Jug, bad dog.

As I am asking the questions I could watch that little vein on Beth’s forehead start to throb with anger as Julia sits

there calmly giving truthful answers to what took place in reference to the conversations between the two of them in

those first few weeks.

When it’s Beth turn to answer all I would hear would be a bunch stammering & stuttering along with the “you knows” and

not relevant's.

Heel Jug, bad dog.

Doc




Kermit, what are those funny bits in the posts. 
Those markings remind me when I have my computer set to Canadian instead of American. 
i. e. what time is it  =  what time is it?
i. e. Im puzzled =  I'm puzzled ???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 07:46:57 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 07:48:03 PM
2AM in the Netherlands Bastibro..You're up late!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 07:49:06 PM
Mark Purcell is one angry little old man!

At least his wife, Marlene, "stands up" for him.  Since he can't "stand up" for himself, or by himself. ::MonkeyDevil::

May be why he's so angry.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 07:49:51 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:43 am AKA MARK PURCELL/MIP6

Top my list would be Natalee.

Followed by Beth & Julia in the same room at the same time with me sitting off to the side controlling Jug on his

leash so he couldn’t shove Julia again.
Bad dog Jug, bad dog.

As I am asking the questions I could watch that little vein on Beth’s forehead start to throb with anger as Julia sits

there calmly giving truthful answers to what took place in reference to the conversations between the two of them in

those first few weeks.

When it’s Beth turn to answer all I would hear would be a bunch stammering & stuttering along with the “you knows” and

not relevant's.

Heel Jug, bad dog.

Doc




Kermit, what are those funny bits in the posts. 
Those markings remind me when I have my computer set to Canadian instead of American. 
i. e. what time is it  =  what time is it?
i. e. Im puzzled =  I'm puzzled ???

CAN - it has to do with the fonts used in the original posts from the original site they were copied from.  Sometimes the sites and content get slightly corrupted too which messes up the fonts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 07:53:49 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/news/6/9/a/69acfeef-b0d2-4b1c-9e1b-4e0f74460c8c/Story.jpg)

Aruba Four Years Later: Financial Impact
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 3:55 pm 



(CBS 42) Four years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the story is still very much on the minds of the people of Aruba.

Evert jan van Versendaal has lived on the island of Aruba for more than a decade.  He came here to run a restaurant, but ever since the Natalee Holloway disappearance, he's seen the country he loves turn into the black eye of the Caribbean.

"There is still a little cloud over Aruba, and still people are going to doubt like I am not going to go there."

And it infuriates him.

"How many people are missing in Alabama?  Is there every day a big show in Alabama?  Is the whole world watching Alabama?  But now the whole world was watching Aruba.

And then to add insult to injury, Beth Holloway's plea for a tourist boycottEvert says only affected the innocent mom and pop shops.

"They were the first ones that were hurt.  The big companies, there were a lot of money behind the big hotels, they will survive.  But if tourism is down like 25%, thats a lot with a small business.

But its been four years, and Evert says the tourists have returned.  While many businesses say they are recovering from the Natalee Holloway situation, others say they are still affected, especially in this bad economy just like everyone else.

"Right now the business is going down.  We are in high season, but we don't have the high season in two years already."

Tony Matilda runs a small business on the beaches of Aruba, showing tourists there is more to do than lay by the water.

"I do the jet skiing, the water sporting, the para sailing, the jet skiing, skuba diving, snorkeling."

But it seems like in past few months he's done a lot less rentals and a lot more sitting around, just like many restaurant servers.

"They see that the place is so calm, no not that much business, and why it so calm.  I start to tell them about the economy and they jump at the Natalee thing.  I personally think its part of the economy and it has something to do with Natalee too," said Elston Peterson.

Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 07:56:05 PM
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:43 am AKA MARK PURCELL/MIP6

Top my list would be Natalee.

Followed by Beth & Julia in the same room at the same time with me sitting off to the side controlling Jug on his

leash so he couldn’t shove Julia again.
Bad dog Jug, bad dog.

As I am asking the questions I could watch that little vein on Beth’s forehead start to throb with anger as Julia sits

there calmly giving truthful answers to what took place in reference to the conversations between the two of them in

those first few weeks.

When it’s Beth turn to answer all I would hear would be a bunch stammering & stuttering along with the “you knows” and

not relevant's.

Heel Jug, bad dog.

Doc




Kermit, what are those funny bits in the posts. 
Those markings remind me when I have my computer set to Canadian instead of American. 
i. e. what time is it  =  what time is it?
i. e. Im puzzled =  I'm puzzled ???

CAN - it has to do with the fonts used in the original posts from the original site they were copied from.  Sometimes the sites and content get slightly corrupted too which messes up the fonts.

Oh, duh.  Thanks for explaining Klaas. Sorry, there goes my thought that perhaps some of those posts were made from Canada.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 07:59:09 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 18, 2009, 08:01:47 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=trackip;searchip=199.2.115.71

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/news/6/9/a/69acfeef-b0d2-4b1c-9e1b-4e0f74460c8c/Story.jpg)

Aruba Four Years Later: Financial Impact
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 3:55 pm 



(CBS 42) Four years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the story is still very much on the minds of the people of Aruba.

Evert jan van Versendaal has lived on the island of Aruba for more than a decade.  He came here to run a restaurant, but ever since the Natalee Holloway disappearance, he's seen the country he loves turn into the black eye of the Caribbean.

"There is still a little cloud over Aruba, and still people are going to doubt like I am not going to go there."

And it infuriates him.

"How many people are missing in Alabama?  Is there every day a big show in Alabama?  Is the whole world watching Alabama?  But now the whole world was watching Aruba.

And then to add insult to injury, Beth Holloway's plea for a tourist boycottEvert says only affected the innocent mom and pop shops.

"They were the first ones that were hurt.  The big companies, there were a lot of money behind the big hotels, they will survive.  But if tourism is down like 25%, thats a lot with a small business.

But its been four years, and Evert says the tourists have returned.  While many businesses say they are recovering from the Natalee Holloway situation, others say they are still affected, especially in this bad economy just like everyone else.

"Right now the business is going down.  We are in high season, but we don't have the high season in two years already."

Tony Matilda runs a small business on the beaches of Aruba, showing tourists there is more to do than lay by the water.

"I do the jet skiing, the water sporting, the para sailing, the jet skiing, skuba diving, snorkeling."

But it seems like in past few months he's done a lot less rentals and a lot more sitting around, just like many restaurant servers.

"They see that the place is so calm, no not that much business, and why it so calm.  I start to tell them about the economy and they jump at the Natalee thing.  I personally think its part of the economy and it has something to do with Natalee too," said Elston Peterson.

Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.
 


ugh, ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  These people have no one to blame but themselves.  They still will not demand of THEIR police/government to stop with the BS and cleanse their little island of the evil that has resided there for the past 4 years and the scum who are on the run from Justice.    :smt097 :smt067


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 08:02:47 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/news/6/9/a/69acfeef-b0d2-4b1c-9e1b-4e0f74460c8c/Story.jpg)

Aruba Four Years Later: Financial Impact
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 3:55 pm 



(CBS 42) Four years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the story is still very much on the minds of the people of Aruba.

Evert jan van Versendaal has lived on the island of Aruba for more than a decade.  He came here to run a restaurant, but ever since the Natalee Holloway disappearance, he's seen the country he loves turn into the black eye of the Caribbean.

"There is still a little cloud over Aruba, and still people are going to doubt like I am not going to go there."

And it infuriates him.

"How many people are missing in Alabama?  Is there every day a big show in Alabama?  Is the whole world watching Alabama?  But now the whole world was watching Aruba.

And then to add insult to injury, Beth Holloway's plea for a tourist boycottEvert says only affected the innocent mom and pop shops.

"They were the first ones that were hurt.  The big companies, there were a lot of money behind the big hotels, they will survive.  But if tourism is down like 25%, thats a lot with a small business.

But its been four years, and Evert says the tourists have returned.  While many businesses say they are recovering from the Natalee Holloway situation, others say they are still affected, especially in this bad economy just like everyone else.

"Right now the business is going down.  We are in high season, but we don't have the high season in two years already."

Tony Matilda runs a small business on the beaches of Aruba, showing tourists there is more to do than lay by the water.

"I do the jet skiing, the water sporting, the para sailing, the jet skiing, skuba diving, snorkeling."

But it seems like in past few months he's done a lot less rentals and a lot more sitting around, just like many restaurant servers.

"They see that the place is so calm, no not that much business, and why it so calm.  I start to tell them about the economy and they jump at the Natalee thing.  I personally think its part of the economy and it has something to do with Natalee too," said Elston Peterson.

Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.
 


I just saw a little teaser of the segment with Jossy that will air tonight at 10.

Jossy says:  I have here documents that have never been published....
then the announcer says:  Find out what information is in those documents tonight at 10.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 08:05:29 PM
Thanks Magnolia!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 08:08:00 PM
You know I see Glenda back to defending Aruba at RU and MIP6 has his panties in a wad.  Wonder if these ex-patriots are beginning to realize that the Dr. Phil people aren't going to settle out of court?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey, when the trial starts next year maybe Renfro and Purcell will be called as witnesses?   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 08:08:49 PM
Thanks Magnolia.
Seems he was going to publish some info, in Diario a long time ago.  Information from tapes IIRC. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 18, 2009, 08:22:32 PM
You know I see Glenda back to defending Aruba at RU and MIP6 has his panties in a wad.  Wonder if these ex-patriots are beginning to realize that the Dr. Phil people aren't going to settle out of court?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey, when the trial starts next year maybe Renfro and Purcell will be called as witnesses?   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 18, 2009, 08:27:16 PM
Does anyone have an opinion as to why Jossy is releasing information now?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 08:31:38 PM
Thank You Magnolia! I Appreciate You Very Much!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 18, 2009, 08:31:50 PM
Renfro started a whole thread about Freddy being mistaken about when Joran told him the beach story.  Quoting Joran's book....pffft...

Wonder if Jossy has anything related to statements about the early reports.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 08:43:15 PM
Janet Anna And TM are Missing.....I Miss Them!  ::MonkeyWaa:: Please Come Back Janet and Anna! Pretty Please with a Banana on Top!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 08:48:25 PM
Is it 10pm yet?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
Janet Anna And TM are Missing.....I Miss Them!  ::MonkeyWaa:: Please Come Back Janet and Anna! Pretty Please with a Banana on Top!  ::MonkeyCool::

TexasMom:  Last Active:     Today at 06:31:30 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 08:50:18 PM
Anna:  Last Active:     Today at 01:54:07 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 08:50:37 PM
Janet Anna And TM are Missing.....I Miss Them!  ::MonkeyWaa:: Please Come Back Janet and Anna! Pretty Please with a Banana on Top!  ::MonkeyCool::

TexasMom:  Last Active:     Today at 06:31:30 PM
Thank You MuffyBee...TM must have been here when I went to the store!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 08:51:30 PM
Is it 10pm yet?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Tick Tock seems to be slow today!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 08:52:25 PM
Tamikosmom:  Last Active:     Today at 07:21:28 PM

And today, May 18th is Victoria Day in Canada.  (holiday)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 08:52:27 PM
Renfro started a whole thread about Freddy being mistaken about when Joran told him the beach story.  Quoting Joran's book....pffft...

Wonder if Jossy has anything related to statements about the early reports.

You know now that you mention it, didn't Jossy have Freddy's statement? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 08:54:40 PM
Is it 10pm yet?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Tick Tock seems to be slow today!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

I just pulled the weights  back up.  Maybe that will help...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 08:54:46 PM
Anna:  Last Active:     Today at 01:54:07 AM
Thanks Again Muffy!

 Janet and Anna Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are...I have Homemade Pound Cake and Fresh Strawberries and Whip Cream.... ::MonkeyTongue:: 

Oh My Goodness I just realized that I haven't seen Lifesong either..... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2009, 08:56:56 PM
Lifesong:  Last Active:     May 16, 2009, 01:33:14 PM   ::MonkeyEek::

Monkey roll call...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 08:57:03 PM
Just a little note..
I never see negative posts allowed at BFN. All of these MPI6 posts must be from other forums..
Debbie runs a clean site and insists on integrity from all people posting or they are removed..
BFN is not the enemy..
 The enemy is a few clowns out of Aruba the Netherlands and even a few out of the United States of America, like the one that mailed that letter to Paulus out of Arkansas.. I think that Reality is out of South Africa of someplace.. I never really try to keep track of where the trouble makers are from..
 But it is always interesting reading about it..  ::MonkeyWink::

   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 18, 2009, 09:04:43 PM
Just a little note..
I never see negative posts allowed at BFN. All of these MPI6 posts must be from other forums..
Debbie runs a clean site and insists on integrity from all people posting or they are removed..
BFN is not the enemy..
 The enemy is a few clowns out of Aruba the Netherlands and even a few out of the United States of America, like the one that mailed that letter to Paulus out of Arkansas.. I think that Reality is out of South Africa of someplace.. I never really try to keep track of where the trouble makers are from..
 But it is always interesting reading about it..  ::MonkeyWink::

   

I have to disagree on this one.  I can't remember what it was (and I will look for it) but there was a very demeaning statement made about Beth and it was allowed to stay on that site.  It was not a very good comment but it was allowed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 09:08:59 PM
Just a little note..
I never see negative posts allowed at BFN. All of these MPI6 posts must be from other forums..
Debbie runs a clean site and insists on integrity from all people posting or they are removed..
BFN is not the enemy..
 The enemy is a few clowns out of Aruba the Netherlands and even a few out of the United States of America, like the one that mailed that letter to Paulus out of Arkansas.. I think that Reality is out of South Africa of someplace.. I never really try to keep track of where the trouble makers are from..
 But it is always interesting reading about it..  ::MonkeyWink::

   

I believe that some of the current MIP6 posts were posted at BNH, the site where Robin posts along side of MIP6 and Reality and it is MOST DEFINATELY an anti-Beth site.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 09:13:07 PM
Lifesong:  Last Active:     May 16, 2009, 01:33:14 PM   ::MonkeyEek::

Monkey roll call...


Once Again Thank You Muffy....Lifesong I Hope All Is Well with You!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 09:13:28 PM
Beth has a quilt with our names on it.. We love her  ::MonkeyWink:: 
We really support Dave and everyone included is the MB students..
I have not seen any negative allowed But I am not there every moment, I have seen many be repremanded and even deleted memberships.. I am sure not ALL is perfect.. 
I think I have only posted like 7800 times at BFN. So I am kinda new there.. I have not seen MPI6 post there in a very long time. ::MonkeyWink::
jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 09:13:59 PM
Anna:  Last Active:     Today at 01:54:07 AM
Thanks Again Muffy!

 Janet and Anna Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are...I have Homemade Pound Cake and Fresh Strawberries and Whip Cream.... ::MonkeyTongue:: 

Oh My Goodness I just realized that I haven't seen Lifesong either..... ::MonkeyEek::

Hotping

Here I am!!

I hope the the whipping cream is that real thing.  None of that canned stuff.  I would appreciate if my slice of pound cake is about one inch thick and ... the berries are thinly sliced with a little sugar.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

It is May Day today in Canada.  A parade and Maypole dancing in the park for the grandkids was where it was at in our community.

At the moment I am suffering a toothache.  I do believe I am being punished for having such at good time on a day that is rooted in pagan traditions.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess the dentist is where it is at tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
THE ORIGINS OF MAY DAY

http://www.crystalinks.com/mayday.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 09:22:33 PM
Hi Janet!  Sorry about your tooth  ::MonkeyNoNo::

We're waiting for a 10pm Central time show in Birmingham to air tonight.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
Anna:  Last Active:     Today at 01:54:07 AM
Thanks Again Muffy!

 Janet and Anna Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are...I have Homemade Pound Cake and Fresh Strawberries and Whip Cream.... ::MonkeyTongue:: 

Oh My Goodness I just realized that I haven't seen Lifesong either..... ::MonkeyEek::

Hotping

Here I am!!

I hope the the whipping cream is that real thing.  None of that canned stuff.  I would appreciate if my slice of pound cake is about one inch thick and ... the berries are thinly sliced with a little sugar.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

It is May Day today in Canada.  A parade and Maypole dancing in the park for the grandkids was where it was at in our community.

At the moment I am suffering a toothache.  I do believe I am being punished for having such at good time on a day that is rooted in pagan traditions.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess the dentist is where it is at tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Hey Janet It is Really Good to see You..... Well If You have a toothache I don't think Strawberry Shortcake is the Best Idea but I will make some more when You are feeling Better...I Hope You had a Wonderful Day and Please Don't stay away that long again... You had Me worried and I Have NO Room for more gray hair...lol ::MonkeyWink:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 09:27:17 PM
Hi Janet!  Sorry about your tooth  ::MonkeyNoNo::

We're waiting for a 10pm Central time show in Birmingham to air tonight.  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas

I know I will not have access to the special but I will keep an eye on the CBS42 Website.  Maybe they will post a transcript of an overview.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 09:29:56 PM
Anna:  Last Active:     Today at 01:54:07 AM
Thanks Again Muffy!

 Janet and Anna Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are...I have Homemade Pound Cake and Fresh Strawberries and Whip Cream.... ::MonkeyTongue:: 

Oh My Goodness I just realized that I haven't seen Lifesong either..... ::MonkeyEek::

Hotping

Here I am!!

I hope the the whipping cream is that real thing.  None of that canned stuff.  I would appreciate if my slice of pound cake is about one inch thick and ... the berries are thinly sliced with a little sugar.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

It is May Day today in Canada.  A parade and Maypole dancing in the park for the grandkids was where it was at in our community.

At the moment I am suffering a toothache.  I do believe I am being punished for having such at good time on a day that is rooted in pagan traditions.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess the dentist is where it is at tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Hey Janet It is Really Good to see You..... Well If You have a toothache I don't think Strawberry Shortcake is the Best Idea but I will make some more when You are feeling Better...I Hope You had a Wonderful Day and Please Don't stay away that long again... You had Me worried and I Have NO Room for more gray hair...lol ::MonkeyWink:: ::cartwheel::

Wash "Toasted Almond Natural Instincts" into your hair every six weeks and ... you will never have another grey hair.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 18, 2009, 09:31:08 PM
Thought this is interesting. I came across it at: The Search for Natalee Holloway site:
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
Maybe this is old news here....first I saw it though....
To Anonymous commenter in AZ: Your tip has been forwarded to the investigative agents in charge. Thank you for your tip.
posted by Kyle Kingman at 3:17 PM on May 11, 2009

Anonymous said...
thank you for responding to my e-mails concerning the ongoing truth behind the disappearence of natalee.will your detectives be contacting the authorities here to investagate , what i've been telling you,or will they come to arizona themselves.either way,will you be able to leave me a message ,so they can contact me.the man who's been telling me the evidence he has,fears that the people that are responsible for her death will find out and show up to finish what they tried to do the first time they saw him watching them kill natalee.which is the killing of him for being a witness.

May 12, 2009 3:53 PM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 09:34:57 PM
That is interesting billb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 09:35:53 PM
Klassend could I ask you or another mod to come help me out in the Amber thread.. I need to have a post deleted..t/y


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 09:36:34 PM
Thought this is interesting. I came across it at: The Search for Natalee Holloway site:
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
Maybe this is old news here....first I saw it though....
To Anonymous commenter in AZ: Your tip has been forwarded to the investigative agents in charge. Thank you for your tip.
posted by Kyle Kingman at 3:17 PM on May 11, 2009

Anonymous said...
thank you for responding to my e-mails concerning the ongoing truth behind the disappearence of natalee.will your detectives be contacting the authorities here to investagate , what i've been telling you,or will they come to arizona themselves.either way,will you be able to leave me a message ,so they can contact me.the man who's been telling me the evidence he has,fears that the people that are responsible for her death will find out and show up to finish what they tried to do the first time they saw him watching them kill natalee.which is the killing of him for being a witness.

May 12, 2009 3:53 PM



Interresting Billb - thanks! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 09:37:35 PM
Edward - I'm there


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 09:44:25 PM
Anna:  Last Active:     Today at 01:54:07 AM
Thanks Again Muffy!

 Janet and Anna Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are...I have Homemade Pound Cake and Fresh Strawberries and Whip Cream.... ::MonkeyTongue:: 

Oh My Goodness I just realized that I haven't seen Lifesong either..... ::MonkeyEek::

Hotping

Here I am!!

I hope the the whipping cream is that real thing.  None of that canned stuff.  I would appreciate if my slice of pound cake is about one inch thick and ... the berries are thinly sliced with a little sugar.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

It is May Day today in Canada.  A parade and Maypole dancing in the park for the grandkids was where it was at in our community.

At the moment I am suffering a toothache.  I do believe I am being punished for having such at good time on a day that is rooted in pagan traditions.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess the dentist is where it is at tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Hey Janet It is Really Good to see You..... Well If You have a toothache I don't think Strawberry Shortcake is the Best Idea but I will make some more when You are feeling Better...I Hope You had a Wonderful Day and Please Don't stay away that long again... You had Me worried and I Have NO Room for more gray hair...lol ::MonkeyWink:: ::cartwheel::

Wash "Toasted Almond Natural Instincts" into your hair every six weeks and ... you will never have another grey hair.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
Thanks Janet!  ::cartwheel:: No Gray hair!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 09:46:05 PM
Glad to see you Janet! ::MonkeyDance::
Sorry about the toothache. OUCH!
I have missed you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 09:57:10 PM
Glad to see you Janet! ::MonkeyDance::
Sorry about the toothache. OUCH!
I have missed you.

Thanks Magnolia

The toothache just started a couple of hours ago and ... will let up.  I cannot remember the last time I had one.  I though I remember someone saying or ... maybe I read it ... to just put an asprin on the tooth and relieve would come quickly.  Well ... it did not work.  The tooth still aches and ... I think I burned the inside of my cheek and the side of my tongue.  My mouth is a mess.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
7:00 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 10:08:24 PM
Glad to see you Janet! ::MonkeyDance::
Sorry about the toothache. OUCH!
I have missed you.

Thanks Magnolia

The toothache just started a couple of hours ago and ... will let up.  I cannot remember the last time I had one.  I though I remember someone saying or ... maybe I read it ... to just put an asprin on the tooth and relieve would come quickly.  Well ... it did not work.  The tooth still aches and ... I think I burned the inside of my cheek and the side of my tongue.  My mouth is a mess.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
7:00 PM
Janet....I'm so sorry to hear about that darn toothache.....I always swish warm salt water around in My mouth and it really helps....but I don't know if You want to try that since the aspirin burnt it.....  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
Glad to see you Janet! ::MonkeyDance::
Sorry about the toothache. OUCH!
I have missed you.

Thanks Magnolia

The toothache just started a couple of hours ago and ... will let up.  I cannot remember the last time I had one.  I though I remember someone saying or ... maybe I read it ... to just put an asprin on the tooth and relieve would come quickly.  Well ... it did not work.  The tooth still aches and ... I think I burned the inside of my cheek and the side of my tongue.  My mouth is a mess.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
7:00 PM


A little blueberry wine on it and it would be gone lickity split! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 10:15:16 PM
What do we have, 45 minutes until showtime?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 10:15:40 PM
Thought this is interesting. I came across it at: The Search for Natalee Holloway site:
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
Maybe this is old news here....first I saw it though....
To Anonymous commenter in AZ: Your tip has been forwarded to the investigative agents in charge. Thank you for your tip.
posted by Kyle Kingman at 3:17 PM on May 11, 2009

Anonymous said...
thank you for responding to my e-mails concerning the ongoing truth behind the disappearence of natalee.will your detectives be contacting the authorities here to investagate , what i've been telling you,or will they come to arizona themselves.either way,will you be able to leave me a message ,so they can contact me.the man who's been telling me the evidence he has,fears that the people that are responsible for her death will find out and show up to finish what they tried to do the first time they saw him watching them kill natalee.which is the killing of him for being a witness.

May 12, 2009 3:53 PM



Interresting Billb - thanks! 

Arizona????  Wow.  Long trip!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 10:16:28 PM
What do we have, 45 minutes until showtime?

Help,  I am out of loop....what are we watching in 45 minutes...????????????  thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 10:16:54 PM
What do we have, 45 minutes until showtime?

Yep!  I so hope we aren't disappointed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 18, 2009, 10:21:11 PM
Anonymous  Anonymous said...

    a man from n.az.say's he saw natalee with two white and one latino men.this man saw natalee three time's,once trying to make a phone call(on a public phone),the following day he saw the same three men riding quad's with natalee cuffed at the wrist's on back of one quad.then the witness called the local police to report the woman in need of help,but the police never showed.later in the night she was screaming for help and yelling "your hurting me, help,leave me alone".the witness say,s it happened a couple hundred feet from his home.the latino man clasped his hand over mouth to quiet her and yelled "puta"at her when she bit his finger.the witness believes natalee was choked,then he saw her body put into black plastic bag,then closed with wire.the witness has personal evedince from the scene,he has tried calling authorites,and even called americas most wanted to no avail.the witness has more information,but he feels like he's talking to a wall.can you at least leave a message on how he can reach you

    May 7, 2009 5:12 PM

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=5803160357512407012



hmmmmm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
Glad to see you Janet! ::MonkeyDance::
Sorry about the toothache. OUCH!
I have missed you.

Thanks Magnolia

The toothache just started a couple of hours ago and ... will not let up.  I cannot remember the last time I had one.  I though I remember someone saying or ... maybe I read it ... to just put an asprin on the tooth and relieve would come quickly.  Well ... it did not work.  The tooth still aches and ... I think I burned the inside of my cheek and the side of my tongue.  My mouth is a mess.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
7:00 PM


A little blueberry wine on it and it would be gone lickity split! ::MonkeyHaHa::

A little!!!

Magnolia

Maybe if I downed an entire bottle of your blueberry wine lickity split ... strickly for medicinal purposes of course ... it would knock me out lickity split and ... I would sleep until morning.

I am planning to be at the door of my dentist at 9:00 sharp in the morning.  I have already left a message on his voice mail.  I did not ask if he could see me.  I just told him I would be there.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 10:26:06 PM
What do we have, 45 minutes until showtime?

Help,  I am out of loop....what are we watching in 45 minutes...????????????  thanks.

AZSunny - CBS in Birmingham has been advertising a special show starting tonight and going for a few days this week at the 10pm show.  Jossy is going to reveal some information I think..  Who knows?  We are all waiting for the first show at 10pm central time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 10:30:54 PM
What do we have, 45 minutes until showtime?

Help,  I am out of loop....what are we watching in 45 minutes...????????????  thanks.

AZSunny - CBS in Birmingham has been advertising a special show starting tonight and going for a few days this week at the 10pm show.  Jossy is going to reveal some information I think..  Who knows?  We are all waiting for the first show at 10pm central time.

OK,  so nationally on CBS?  thanks! I will try for it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 10:31:39 PM
What do we have, 45 minutes until showtime?

Help,  I am out of loop....what are we watching in 45 minutes...????????????  thanks.

AZSunny - CBS in Birmingham has been advertising a special show starting tonight and going for a few days this week at the 10pm show.  Jossy is going to reveal some information I think..  Who knows?  We are all waiting for the first show at 10pm central time.

OK,  so nationally on CBS?  thanks! I will try for it. 

AZSunny - no I don't think nationally, I think it's CBS42 in Birmingham only as far as I know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 10:35:29 PM
What do we have, 45 minutes until showtime?

Help,  I am out of loop....what are we watching in 45 minutes...????????????  thanks.

AZSunny - CBS in Birmingham has been advertising a special show starting tonight and going for a few days this week at the 10pm show.  Jossy is going to reveal some information I think..  Who knows?  We are all waiting for the first show at 10pm central time.

OK,  so nationally on CBS?  thanks! I will try for it. 

AZSunny - no I don't think nationally, I think it's CBS42 in Birmingham only as far as I know.

Well, of course, I should have figured that out!  duh,  old lady moment.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 10:37:07 PM
Hi TM! I hope You have had a good day!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bc73 on May 18, 2009, 10:37:47 PM
If the link to the station CBS42 has already been posted, sorry in advance, but it summarizes the Aruba situation here http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 18, 2009, 10:39:37 PM
hotping, Keepthefaith, Magnolia, Helen Back, bc73, AZSunny, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, wreck, klaasend, texasmom, MuffyBee, Patriot, mytime, Buckeye, Tamikosmom and 11 Guests
Good Evening Everyone!

Where's Anna?  I could have sworn I saw billb a few minutes ago..... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bc73 on May 18, 2009, 10:41:39 PM
If the link to the station CBS42 has already been posted, sorry in advance, but it summarizes the Aruba situation here http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx
Sorry monkeys, I guess I missed the 85 links and quotes to that,oops.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 10:42:17 PM
Janet Anna And TM are Missing.....I Miss Them!  ::MonkeyWaa:: Please Come Back Janet and Anna! Pretty Please with a Banana on Top!  ::MonkeyCool::

TexasMom:  Last Active:     Today at 06:31:30 PM

I'm here catching up, jury duty today....it was a lonnnnnnng day...took a nap. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 10:43:27 PM
BC73 - I'm glad you posted the link again.  Saved me from bumping the link forward  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 10:43:41 PM
Janet Anna And TM are Missing.....I Miss Them!  ::MonkeyWaa:: Please Come Back Janet and Anna! Pretty Please with a Banana on Top!  ::MonkeyCool::

TexasMom:  Last Active:     Today at 06:31:30 PM

I'm here catching up, jury duty today....it was a lonnnnnnng day...took a nap. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Don't tell me the nap was during trial?????? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 10:51:59 PM
Latest tease from CBS 42...... Cynthia Gould said:  What I uncovered on my trip to Aruba that
has never been disclosed until now coming up at 10.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 10:52:03 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 10:53:18 PM
Hi TM! I hope You have had a good day!  ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Hotping!  I hope you've had a good day too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 10:55:09 PM
BC73 - I'm glad you posted the link again.  Saved me from bumping the link forward  ::MonkeyCool::


Klaas, is there a way to watch this live?  I read the article, but looking for another link i am not seeing.  HELP?   Or are we waiting for someone to transcribe it for us.  I think I need some of Magnolia's blueberry wine.....i am so confused?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 10:55:29 PM
Janet Anna And TM are Missing.....I Miss Them!  ::MonkeyWaa:: Please Come Back Janet and Anna! Pretty Please with a Banana on Top!  ::MonkeyCool::

TexasMom:  Last Active:     Today at 06:31:30 PM

I'm here catching up, jury duty today....it was a lonnnnnnng day...took a nap. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Don't tell me the nap was during trial?????? ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Noooo KTF, jury selection took all day today; the trial starts tomorrow.  I was not chosen, I'm thankful.  But I am always willing to do my duty as a citizen and have sat on a few juries.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 10:56:04 PM
Latest tease from CBS 42...... Cynthia Gould said:  What I uncovered on my trip to Aruba that
has never been disclosed until now coming up at 10.

OK,  are you transcribing for us Magnolia, or are you serving the wine?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 10:56:16 PM
Latest tease from CBS 42...... Cynthia Gould said:  What I uncovered on my trip to Aruba that
has never been disclosed until now coming up at 10.

Cool!

I know this is a burden but if you could sortof keep us updated throughout the program it would be wonderful!  I do believe they will have transcripts up on the website later, hopefully!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 10:59:14 PM
There is a link on the CBS website for TV but I don't now if it can be watched live.  They did update their thread about the show tonight with more info:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Where-is-the-Natalee-Holloway-Investigation-Today/luzB0UvRiEa6F0FL4nb2Ww.cspx

Where is the Natalee Holloway Investigation Today?
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 4:17 pm 

 

(AP) May marks the four year anniversary of the disappearance of Natallee Holloway.  CBS 42 was in Aruba recently to find out what's happening with the investigation.  We uncovered some new allegations and more claims of a botched investigation.

Beautiful beaches, clear blue water and plenty of sunshine.  But this island still lives under a cloud.

It's still hurting us.

Both police and prosecutors refused to talk about the Holloway case, only saying it's open and they are following leads.

Officially it is still open, but I don't think they are doing anything with it.

Jossy Mansuer, who's lived on the island all his life, owns Diario, the local newspaper.  Diario's stories often directed police to witnesses and leads.


We know more or less what happened.  She was done away with.  Murder? Yes, said Mansuer.

Classic case of money, power and never getting caught?

Exactly, influence, political, specifically from Holland, said Mansuer.


Mansuer says the investigation was clouded by the fact that the father of suspect Joran van der Sloot was a judge who worked with the same authorities handling the Holloway case.

He was working with all these people.  Judges developed close friendships or understandings.  I have documents that have never been published in which Joran makes statements, which were corrected in his father's handwriting saying things that call attention not to foul play but favoritism, said Mansuer.

Mansuer questions why the three suspects were not arrested within the first 24 hours, and claims many leads were not followed.  He's also trying to confirm whether Joran confessed early on.

The only super secret information we are after, we heard there was a confession...the papers have disappeared.

He discounts theories Natalee was sold into sex slavery.  No similar cases have ever come up.  And as for an accidental overdose, not likely according to Mansuer, since the laws are so lenient in those cases, someone would have come forward to tell what happened.

Mansuer says the release of secret recordings made of Joran turned the island against him and brought renewed sympathy for the family, despite hard feelings over earlier calls for a tourist boycott.

We were unable to talk with anyone at the van der Sloot home in Aruba.  Joran has proclaimed his innocence in interviews, but there are still many doubters on the island.

"After all the stories, it looks like he had something to do with it, said Evert jan van Versendaal.

Those who knew Joran from school were surprised by the accusations.

"At the school he seemed fine his mother art teacher two brothers all of them regular," said Daniel Ferrara.

But Mansuer paints a much different, darker picture...a young man with a troubled past whose parents always came to the rescue.

This guy is way beyond control with his anger and that he is capable of doing anything, said Mansuer.

Natallee was last seen alive at a night club called Carlos and Charlies, which is now closed, getting into the car with Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

Mansuer says many in Aruba theorize she was drugged, sexually assaulted then killed...her body likely dumped in the ocean.  Natalee's father organizes periodic searches on the island.

With time I think may be solved with time.  Don't think in the short term unless a miracle and we find Natalee's remains, said Mansuer.

In the long term, it's a story that is still very much alive.

It's definitely something going to be in our hearts and our minds forever.

Joran van der Sloot we're told is still in Holland.  The Kalpoe brothers live quietly on the island, refusing interviews and staying out of the limelight.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 11:00:23 PM
Latest tease from CBS 42...... Cynthia Gould said:  What I uncovered on my trip to Aruba that
has never been disclosed until now coming up at 10.

Cool!

I know this is a burden but if you could sortof keep us updated throughout the program it would be wonderful!  I do believe they will have transcripts up on the website later, hopefully!  ::MonkeyAngel::


I will do what I can.  At 5:00 Hotping posted the transcript before I could type what I heard.
Maybe they will get the new transcript up quickly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 11:00:57 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 18, 2009, 11:01:17 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/kittycorn.gif)

Kitty will share............................   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 18, 2009, 11:02:13 PM
If the link to the station CBS42 has already been posted, sorry in advance, but it summarizes the Aruba situation here http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx
Sorry monkeys, I guess I missed the 85 links and quotes to that,oops.... ::MonkeyConfused::

From the above article:

Quote
Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.


Hopefully there won't be a next time.  And you can bet if the suspect is a rich powerful Dutch family with many connections nothing will happen.  So the best thing to do is avoid the island period.  There are more beautiful places to visit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 11:06:31 PM
Nothing yet.....just local stuff.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 11:07:23 PM
Nothing yet.....just local stuff.

Can you pass the bottle of wine then, while we wait?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 18, 2009, 11:08:19 PM
Thanks for being our roving reporter, Magnolia!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 11:08:49 PM
Nothing yet.....just local stuff.

Can you pass the bottle of wine then, while we wait?



Certainly!  Are you swigging or do you want a glass?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 11:10:37 PM
Nothing yet.....just local stuff.

Can you pass the bottle of wine then, while we wait?





Certainly!  Are you swigging or do you want a glass?
tonight,  I will just take the bottle...if you don't mind sharing.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 11:11:29 PM
If the link to the station CBS42 has already been posted, sorry in advance, but it summarizes the Aruba situation here http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx
Sorry monkeys, I guess I missed the 85 links and quotes to that,oops.... ::MonkeyConfused::

From the above article:

Quote
Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.


Hopefully there won't be a next time.  And you can bet if the suspect is a rich powerful Dutch family with many connections nothing will happen.  So the best thing to do is avoid the island period.  There are more beautiful places to visit.

You bet!  Eastern or Western Canada.  Magnificent scenery.  The mountains.  The ocean.  Friendly people.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 18, 2009, 11:12:37 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 11:13:58 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 11:16:13 PM
If the link to the station CBS42 has already been posted, sorry in advance, but it summarizes the Aruba situation here http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx
Sorry monkeys, I guess I missed the 85 links and quotes to that,oops.... ::MonkeyConfused::

From the above article:

Quote
Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.


Hopefully there won't be a next time.  And you can bet if the suspect is a rich powerful Dutch family with many connections nothing will happen.  So the best thing to do is avoid the island period.  There are more beautiful places to visit.

You bet!  Eastern or Western Canada.  Magnificent scenery.  The mountains.  The ocean.  Friendly people.



I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 11:16:47 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

No, but if you drink enough wine, you won't know it still hurts!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
Here it comes.....botched investigation.
Still open bur doing nothing in the case.
Jossy: We know she was murdered but money and power prevented prosecution.

Joran did confess in the beginning but the papers have disappeared.
It is well know that Joran could not controll his anger.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 11:17:38 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

No, but if you drink enough wine, you won't know it still hurts!

Janet

Poopie,  messed up the quote.  I really do need a bottle of wine tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 11:18:54 PM
Here it comes.....botched investigation.
Still open bur doing nothing in the case.
Jossy: We know she was murdered but money and power prevented prosecution.

Joran did confess in the beginning but the papers have disappeared.
It is well know that Joran could not controll his anger.

Are those the papers Beth saw? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 11:19:37 PM
Jossy said it will never be solved unless a miracle happens and her remains are found!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 11:20:36 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I feel for you Janet, I just had a tooth pulled a week ago Wednesday.  It was an ordeal that started with a horrible sinus infection.  Ibuprofen gave me some relief.  A lot of the internet sites recommend a tea bag resting between your cheek and the tooth that hurts.  I couldn't do it because I only had family sized tea bags.  I don't know if it really works or not. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 11:21:20 PM
If the link to the station CBS42 has already been posted, sorry in advance, but it summarizes the Aruba situation here http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Aruba-Four-Years-Later-Financial-Impact/7geuMti81UaVpRrYgOEoOg.cspx
Sorry monkeys, I guess I missed the 85 links and quotes to that,oops.... ::MonkeyConfused::

From the above article:

Quote
Peterson says when the tourists are here he makes $130 a day in tips.  When they aren't, a measly $20  That's why Aruba locals hope that people learn from this tragic situation, and next time punish those responsible for the crime and not the entire country.


Hopefully there won't be a next time.  And you can bet if the suspect is a rich powerful Dutch family with many connections nothing will happen.  So the best thing to do is avoid the island period.  There are more beautiful places to visit.

You bet!  Eastern or Western Canada.  Magnificent scenery.  The mountains.  The ocean.  Friendly people.



I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

AZ

It is a myth that we all living in igloos in North Western Washington and South Western British Columbia.  It was a little cooler today but yesterday temperature soars to almost 80 degrees F.  An iced sweet tea would have been appreciated.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 11:21:47 PM


Thanks Magnolia!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 11:23:01 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I don't know about blueberries, but if you open a leaf of your aloe vera plant and put it on the tooth
it will stop a toothache.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 11:23:10 PM
Jossy said it will never be solved unless a miracle happens and her remains are found!

Whatta bet Jossy knows those remains will never be found...So.Again.The whole Island knows Natalee Holloway was DRUGGED,RAPED AND MURDERED.They know who did it but,NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN!


THE PERSISTENCE AND THE CONTINUED COVER-UP IS WHERE IT'S AT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 11:24:40 PM
Jossy said it will never be solved unless a miracle happens and her remains are found!

A miracle did happen. 

thanks Magnolia


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 11:24:49 PM
Magnolia - thanks!  Are they going to continue the reports tomorrow night?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 18, 2009, 11:25:05 PM
Thanks, Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 11:25:43 PM
Jossy said it will never be solved unless a miracle happens and her remains are found!

A miracle did happen. 

thanks Magnolia

YES IT DID.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 18, 2009, 11:25:49 PM
Thanks Magnolia!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 18, 2009, 11:27:06 PM
I am anxious to see the transcript of the Jossy interview.
I didn't hear any never before disclosed information.
The reporter went to the Sloot's house but they wouldn't come to the door.
Jossy said about Van der Straten showing favoritism.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 18, 2009, 11:27:24 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I don't know about blueberries, but if you open a leaf of your aloe vera plant and put it on the tooth
it will stop a toothache.

Well, we have aloe vera all over...I will go pick some.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 18, 2009, 11:28:12 PM
Thank You Magnolia and Hello Jannnnettttttt!

Off to the gym so i may one-day enjoy an award winning Bacon-Cheeseburger from the Burger-God(AKA WRECK),AKA 7 game winning streak Ranger fan...... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 11:29:38 PM
More updates to the article:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Where-is-the-Natalee-Holloway-Investigation-Today/luzB0UvRiEa6F0FL4nb2Ww.cspx

Where is the Natalee Holloway Investigation Today?
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 4:17 pm 
 

(AP) May marks the four year anniversary of the disappearance of Natallee Holloway.  CBS 42 was in Aruba recently to find out what's happening with the investigation.  We uncovered some new allegations and more claims of a botched investigation.

Beautiful beaches, clear blue water and plenty of sunshine.  But this island still lives under a cloud.

It's still hurting us.

Both police and prosecutors refused to talk about the Holloway case, only saying it's open and they are following leads.

Officially it is still open, but I don't think they are doing anything with it.

Jossy Mansuer, who's lived on the island all his life, owns Diario, the local newspaper.  Diario's stories often directed police to witnesses and leads.


We know more or less what happened.  She was done away with.  Murder? Yes, said Mansuer.

Classic case of money, power and never getting caught?

Exactly, influence, political, specifically from Holland, said Mansuer.


Mansuer says the investigation was clouded by the fact that the father of suspect Joran van der Sloot was a judge who worked with the same authorities handling the Holloway case.

He was working with all these people.  Judges developed close friendships or understandings.  I have documents that have never been published in which Joran makes statements, which were corrected in his father's handwriting saying things that call attention not to foul play but favoritism, said Mansuer.

Mansuer questions why the three suspects were not arrested within the first 24 hours, and claims many leads were not followed.  He's also trying to confirm whether Joran confessed early on.

The only super secret information we are after, we heard there was a confession...the papers have disappeared.

He discounts theories Natalee was sold into sex slavery.  No similar cases have ever come up.  And as for an accidental overdose, not likely according to Mansuer, since the laws are so lenient in those cases, someone would have come forward to tell what happened.

Mansuer says the release of secret recordings made of Joran turned the island against him and brought renewed sympathy for the family, despite hard feelings over earlier calls for a tourist boycott.

We were unable to talk with anyone at the van der Sloot home in Aruba.  Joran has proclaimed his innocence in interviews, but there are still many doubters on the island.

"After all the stories, it looks like he had something to do with it, said Evert jan van Versendaal.

Those who knew Joran from school were surprised by the accusations.

"At the school he seemed fine his mother art teacher two brothers all of them regular," said Daniel Ferrara.

But Mansuer paints a much different, darker picture...a young man with a troubled past whose parents always came to the rescue.

This guy is way beyond control with his anger and that he is capable of doing anything, said Mansuer.

Natallee was last seen alive at a night club called Carlos and Charlies, which is now closed, getting into the car with Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

Mansuer says many in Aruba theorize she was drugged, sexually assaulted then killed...her body likely dumped in the ocean.  Natalee's father organizes periodic searches on the island.

With time I think may be solved with time.  Don't think in the short term unless a miracle and we find Natalee's remains, said Mansuer.

In the long term, it's a story that is still very much alive.

It's definitely something going to be in our hearts and our minds forever.

Joran van der Sloot we're told is still in Holland.  The Kalpoe brothers live quietly on the island, refusing interviews and staying out of the limelight.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bc73 on May 18, 2009, 11:34:51 PM
"The Kalpoe brothers live quietly on the island, refusing interviews and staying out of the limelight." That quote pisses me off because at least they get to live. Anyone who would ever think of heading to Aruba should be forced to stay 1 night with those two bags of crap,that would change their future itineraries.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 18, 2009, 11:36:44 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I don't know about blueberries, but if you open a leaf of your aloe vera plant and put it on the tooth
it will stop a toothache.
...... and soothe your sunburn!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 11:37:08 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I feel for you Janet, I just had a tooth pulled a week ago Wednesday.  It was an ordeal that started with a horrible sinus infection.  Ibuprofen gave me some relief.  A lot of the internet sites recommend a tea bag resting between your cheek and the tooth that hurts.  I couldn't do it because I only had family sized tea bags.  I don't know if it really works or not. 

texasmom

The dentist accessed my voice mail and ... gave me a call.  He suggested that I take some Ibuprofen immediately.  Apparently it will relief any swelling.  Hubby has just left for Walmart pharmacy to pick up some.  The dentist told me to come to the office tomorrow around 10:00 AM and ... he would fit me it.  I think a root canal is where it is at but ... right now I would gladly have it pulled.  Immediate relief.

My hubby has aloe vera plants.  We use it for cuts and sprains but ... I have never put that juicy stuff in my mouth.  Magnolia ... I am desperate enought to try it right now and ... it may assist in healing the areas of the mouth that I burned with the asprin.

Thank everybody.

Good Night

Janet
8:35 PM




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 18, 2009, 11:39:01 PM
Thank You Magnolia and Hello Jannnnettttttt!

Off to the gym so i may one-day enjoy an award winning Bacon-Cheeseburger from the Burger-God(AKA WRECK),AKA 7 game winning streak Ranger fan...... ::MonkeyDevil::
a LOOOOOOOOOOONG suffering Ranger fan with a few weeks of joy! (hope it holds up!) ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 11:40:14 PM
More updates to the article:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Where-is-the-Natalee-Holloway-Investigation-Today/luzB0UvRiEa6F0FL4nb2Ww.cspx

Where is the Natalee Holloway Investigation Today?
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 4:17 pm 
 

(AP) May marks the four year anniversary of the disappearance of Natallee Holloway.  CBS 42 was in Aruba recently to find out what's happening with the investigation.  We uncovered some new allegations and more claims of a botched investigation.

Beautiful beaches, clear blue water and plenty of sunshine.  But this island still lives under a cloud.

It's still hurting us.

Both police and prosecutors refused to talk about the Holloway case, only saying it's open and they are following leads.

Officially it is still open, but I don't think they are doing anything with it.

Jossy Mansuer, who's lived on the island all his life, owns Diario, the local newspaper.  Diario's stories often directed police to witnesses and leads.


We know more or less what happened.  She was done away with.  Murder? Yes, said Mansuer.

Classic case of money, power and never getting caught?

Exactly, influence, political, specifically from Holland, said Mansuer.


Mansuer says the investigation was clouded by the fact that the father of suspect Joran van der Sloot was a judge who worked with the same authorities handling the Holloway case.

He was working with all these people.  Judges developed close friendships or understandings.  I have documents that have never been published in which Joran makes statements, which were corrected in his father's handwriting saying things that call attention not to foul play but favoritism, said Mansuer.

Mansuer questions why the three suspects were not arrested within the first 24 hours, and claims many leads were not followed.  He's also trying to confirm whether Joran confessed early on.

The only super secret information we are after, we heard there was a confession...the papers have disappeared.

He discounts theories Natalee was sold into sex slavery.  No similar cases have ever come up.  And as for an accidental overdose, not likely according to Mansuer, since the laws are so lenient in those cases, someone would have come forward to tell what happened.

Mansuer says the release of secret recordings made of Joran turned the island against him and brought renewed sympathy for the family, despite hard feelings over earlier calls for a tourist boycott.

We were unable to talk with anyone at the van der Sloot home in Aruba.  Joran has proclaimed his innocence in interviews, but there are still many doubters on the island.

"After all the stories, it looks like he had something to do with it, said Evert jan van Versendaal.

Those who knew Joran from school were surprised by the accusations.

"At the school he seemed fine his mother art teacher two brothers all of them regular," said Daniel Ferrara.

But Mansuer paints a much different, darker picture...a young man with a troubled past whose parents always came to the rescue.

This guy is way beyond control with his anger and that he is capable of doing anything, said Mansuer.

Natallee was last seen alive at a night club called Carlos and Charlies, which is now closed, getting into the car with Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

Mansuer says many in Aruba theorize she was drugged, sexually assaulted then killed...her body likely dumped in the ocean.  Natalee's father organizes periodic searches on the island.

With time I think may be solved with time.  Don't think in the short term unless a miracle and we find Natalee's remains, said Mansuer.

In the long term, it's a story that is still very much alive.

It's definitely something going to be in our hearts and our minds forever.

Joran van der Sloot we're told is still in Holland.  The Kalpoe brothers live quietly on the island, refusing interviews and staying out of the limelight.
 


Thanks to all for the updates on this.  The story is alive.   Maybe someday the writers will get the entire scoop & all the names spelled correctly.     ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 11:40:20 PM
Janet   - before you go, info on Aloe Vera and mouth problems:

http://www.iasc.org/moore.html

Hope you feel better tomorrow!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 11:41:27 PM
I have documents that have never been published in which Joran makes statements, which were corrected in his father's handwriting saying things that call attention not to foul play but favoritism, said Mansuer.

I would like to see those documents.

That in itself is an outrage.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I've got 36 years, Beth.  Easy Peasy.

Thanks, Magnolia.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 11:43:05 PM
Jossy said it will never be solved unless a miracle happens and her remains are found!

A miracle did happen. 

thanks Magnolia

You bet it did AZSunny!  Then ... according to Kyle Kingman's own word ... the John Silvetti betrayal happened.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2009, 11:45:21 PM
Janet   - before you go, info on Aloe Vera and mouth problems:

http://www.iasc.org/moore.html

Hope you feel better tomorrow!

WOW!

Thanks Klaas and ... thanks Magnolia.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 18, 2009, 11:46:26 PM
Thanks everyone for all the info tonight.

Hey Janet,

Why don't you have hubby pick up some topical pain relief for toothaches?  Kinda like ora-jel for babies.  Just for tonight.

I don't suffer if I don't have to.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hope you feel better tomorrow.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 11:47:23 PM
HEALTH BENEFITS;

Research has shown that blueberries are loaded with cell-protecting antioxidants called anthocyanins. Of the forty fruits and vegetables tested, blueberries had the highest antioxidant capacity. Antioxidants have the potential to prevent cancer and can slow the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, possibly helping to fend off heart attacks.

Bring it!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

The big question.  Can blueberries cure a toothache lickity split.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I feel for you Janet, I just had a tooth pulled a week ago Wednesday.  It was an ordeal that started with a horrible sinus infection.  Ibuprofen gave me some relief.  A lot of the internet sites recommend a tea bag resting between your cheek and the tooth that hurts.  I couldn't do it because I only had family sized tea bags.  I don't know if it really works or not. 

texasmom

The dentist accessed my voice mail and ... gave me a call.  He suggested that I take some Ibuprofen immediately.  Apparently it will relief any swelling.  Hubby has just left for Walmart pharmacy to pick up some.  The dentist told me to come to the office tomorrow around 10:00 AM and ... he would fit me it.  I think a root canal is where it is at but ... right now I would gladly have it pulled.  Immediate relief.

My hubby has aloe vera plants.  We use it for cuts and sprains but ... I have never put that juicy stuff in my mouth.  Magnolia ... I am desperate enought to try it right now and ... it may assist in healing the areas of the mouth that I burned with the asprin.

Thank everybody.

Good Night

Janet
8:35 PM




I'm praying you get some relief Janet, I know how miserable that pain can be!  I hope the ibuprofen helps!

Good Night Janet.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 18, 2009, 11:49:29 PM
Thank You Magnolia and Hello Jannnnettttttt!

Off to the gym so i may one-day enjoy an award winning Bacon-Cheeseburger from the Burger-God(AKA WRECK),AKA 7 game winning streak Ranger fan...... ::MonkeyDevil::
a LOOOOOOOOOOONG suffering Ranger fan with a few weeks of joy! (hope it holds up!) ::MonkeyCool::

Me too wreck!  I've been a Rangers fan for many years....through the good and the bad.  Kinda like the Cowboys.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 19, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
Good Night All!

TM I'm Glad that You had a Good Day!

Janet I hope that You get some relieve from that toothache!

Magnolia Thanks for the updates...Do You know if there will be more tomorrow night?

 ::MonkeyCool::

Where's Anna?   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 12:18:15 AM
Cageman or SandyLeiva, if you stop by...please post what you understand about the following.  Thanks in advance!

http://awemainta.com/home/

I recently read an article on Awe24 regarding a recent arrest and release of a suspect.  I'd posted the arrest over in the Murder & Crime thread (from Awe Mainta) but wasn't sure what the man had been arrested for.  A few days later I saw the article on Awe24 that referenced the same story I'd posted from earlier.  It seemed to question the release and if the man had received special treatment because he was of his being a "dutch european"?  I've thought about that story a lot.  These reporters take pictures of and report on many many arrests....they see who is prosecuted and who is not.  The more time I spend looking at the crimes and the court stories...makes me wonder too!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

These are the stories I'm talking about, Awe24 provided a link to their original story about the arrest in the second article.  The first article is the one I posted over in the M & C thread. 


5/11/2009 Awe Mainta Page 16

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05112009AweMaintaPg16_2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

in less of 9 hour cu fiscal owing to ask his detencion of cockroach blanco already past owing to being deteni diabierna night fiscal owing to give one orden of detencion of cockroach blanco, y for saturday madruga agentenan attentive owing to succeed place hand on dje. at once past owing to being deteni y we owing to capta instant cu the agentenan policial owing to bring at keep of police at beach.

http://www.awe24.com/_moblog/externalInterface/extFrame.php?id=783&offId=24

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05152009_Awe24_Blanco.jpg)

fecha: 15/05/2009 | horario: 08:47

cacalaca blanco one conocido of police cu suerte for not tell previlegia

diahuebs nightfall again can owing to see cacalaca blanco the conocido of police was happen cas for cas in dakota y tarabana bendiendo dvd probably steal. bisinjanan y comunidad is coopera cu justicia mandando all type of informe but is seems cu justicia self do not coopera cu comunidad y is let the sospechosonan here in freedom. we not know if is because the is dutch european the have tanto suerte so! but mature is cu is several trip end the is being deteni for police but of one or another form the is being let in freedom casi at once. week happen diabierna owing to ask his buskeda y detencion y owing to being deteni saturday madruga look at the news here cu we owing to publica saturday happen 9 of half 2009 http://www.awe24.com/?m=734 but already the week here the is afo end believe it or (not) grade! come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 12:23:36 AM
Would a mod please add the following link to the Awe Mainta story in my last post.

Thanks in advance!

http://awemainta.com/home/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 12:24:38 AM
Good Night All!

TM I'm Glad that You had a Good Day!

Janet I hope that You get some relieve from that toothache!

Magnolia Thanks for the updates...Do You know if there will be more tomorrow night?

 ::MonkeyCool::

Where's Anna?   ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Night Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 19, 2009, 12:53:34 AM
Thank You Magnolia and Hello Jannnnettttttt!

Off to the gym so i may one-day enjoy an award winning Bacon-Cheeseburger from the Burger-God(AKA WRECK),AKA 7 game winning streak Ranger fan...... ::MonkeyDevil::
a LOOOOOOOOOOONG suffering Ranger fan with a few weeks of joy! (hope it holds up!) ::MonkeyCool::

Me too wreck!  I've been a Rangers fan for many years....through the good and the bad.  Kinda like the Cowboys.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
There were "good" times???????????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 01:17:57 AM
Thank You Magnolia and Hello Jannnnettttttt!

Off to the gym so i may one-day enjoy an award winning Bacon-Cheeseburger from the Burger-God(AKA WRECK),AKA 7 game winning streak Ranger fan...... ::MonkeyDevil::
a LOOOOOOOOOOONG suffering Ranger fan with a few weeks of joy! (hope it holds up!) ::MonkeyCool::

Me too wreck!  I've been a Rangers fan for many years....through the good and the bad.  Kinda like the Cowboys.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
There were "good" times???????????  ::MonkeyDevil::

Nowwww wreck.... ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 19, 2009, 02:02:12 AM
So Jossy has evidence that Paulus falsified actual police evidence..Correct?He's also aware of a confession from Joran that disappeared,potentially?Why say that at this juncture?

FOCUS ON THE PERSISTENCE & THE CONTINUED COVER-UP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 03:05:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 03:26:52 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9113/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05182009_24ora_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05182009_24ora_2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

two atracador owing to using pistool y cuchui for throw three atraco on de palm pier y turistanan

monday, 18 may 2009 - 11:15

two boy of cual is sospecha cu they edad is relativamente jong, of habla spanish y of color cla, owing to throw one atraco contra the pilar more important of we industry economico. the two anti-socialnan here owing to place one pistool at cabes of the security cu is cuida de palm pier situa behind radisson resort y owing to mare cu one cabuya. this for so the two ladronnan can owing to enter in the office of the bar y bay cu one suma considerable of coin efectivo. click read more for more informacion y imagen.... the caso here owing to stay raporta at police some minuut after of 12or of night maneciendo monday morning. obviamente the pair here not owing to stay satisfecho cu the botin because at they exit of the gang for bay de palm pier they owing to atraca one tourist cu is hospedando in radisson resort self. they owing to less all his coin bay cune. is sospecha cu the same pair thief here also owing to steal one of two tourist at height of westin resort, the tourist is hospedando in westin resort self. here owing to haci same cos, then owing to bay cu all coin on the tourist y owing to using pistool y cuchui also in the proceso. polisnan owing to mobilisa at once for her sitio y owing to inclui "atraco team" for haci the investigacion for see con liher they will can place hand on the dosnan here cu probably do not realisa what damage they're comete contra we country, siendo one destinacion turistico cu is being propaganda for his seguridad. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 03:39:07 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56738.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Falcone case resumes tomorrow

May 18, 2009, 15:05 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY / AMSTERDAM - The trial against Frank Falcone for the murder of head agente Cevat Gabrille will resume tomorrow in Amsterdam.

The case was arrested in January after Falcone (49) for the first time a statement was made. The suspect had to research to the Pieter Baan Centrum. In March, the case was resumed and Falcone said to have been drunk when the shooting took place. The court in Amsterdam to examine whether it is possible to find out how much alcohol in the blood of Falcone Saturday at the time of the crime. Falcone, an acquaintance of the police and previously been involved in sexual and violent, would three-quarters of a bottle of vodka have been drinking when he was arrested by Cevat. "Suddenly I saw a shadow coming at me. And in a reflex, bam, it happened, "said Falcone in the courtroom. Last week the family of stretched Cevat an appeal against the Council for Legal Aid, after they refused to attorneys' fees in the case to compensate. The police Amstelland Amsterdam has declared the cost to pay the lawyer, but the appeal is still on. The family wishes that the State for the cost end.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 03:43:34 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56769.php

Google translation:

Curaao
Six new judges
May 18, 2009, 17:02 (GMT -04:00)


WILLEM CITY - The Government Ministers on proposal of State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) agreed to appoint six new judges. This is Mrs. I.K. van Acker, Mrs. M.T. Boerlage, Mr. J.P. de Haan, Mrs. M. Keppel, Mr. D. Thierry and Mr. F.J.P. Veenhof. The six are officially on August 1 as a member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba appointed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 08:03:54 AM
I'm reading fast this morning...but I don't think the tourist are mentioned in this story.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

5/19/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05192009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

monday marduga atracadornan owing to go cu $50.0000 for of boegaloe

monday in his first minutnan of madruga owing to enter informacion of one atraco cu arm of candela ne cocktail lounge cu have on palm beach pier here, conoci because; palm beach boegaloe. here 2 person owing to arrive cara tapa y owing to place pistol at cabez of one guardia of seguridad y owing to less his celular for of dje y owing to mare. the ladronnan here owing to succeed bay cu one botin of more of 50 thousand dolar. team of atraco owing to come ne sitio for haci the investigacion according can owing to compronde the atracadornan owing to bay direccion south y testigonan owing to waknan fast of westin hotel. come across



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05192009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

atracadornan have to can know for hit boegaloe for bay cu 50 thousand dolar

monday in his first minutnan of madruga owing to enter informacion of one atraco cu arm of candela ne cocktail lounge cu have on palm beach pier here, conoci because; palm beach boegaloe. here 2 person owing to arrive cara tapa y owing to place pistol at cabez of one guardia of seguridad y owing to less his celular for of dje y owing to mare. after the anti-socialnan owing to bay on the trahadornan y owing to ordena they take away they ne safe where they have the throw of full the week y owing to happen hand for various bag y owing to core bay for of the sitio. the ladronnan here owing to succeed bay cu one botin of more of 50 thousand dolar. team of atraco owing to come ne sitio for haci the investigacion according can owing to compronde the atracadornan owing to bay direccion south y testigonan owing to waknan fast of westin hotel. mirando the modus operandi, the ladronnan here have to can know cu the operadornan of boegaloe do not deposita they coin all day, but have keep all one week. is logico, cu they know this, owing to dicidi of hit boegaloe, y so owing to bay cu more of 50 thousand dlar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 19, 2009, 09:05:57 AM
Magnolia and Klaas - THANK YOU BOTH for all the info last night.

I agree with another poster - nothing new shared.

We knew Paulus changed some of Joran's statements.

We knew Joran confessed on June 10th.

We knew someone within ALE suppressed that confession.

And yes - we know that likely the miracle DID happen, and thanks to greedy Americans working hand in hand with the dirty Aruban authorities - Natalee's family still doesn't have the answers they need, and Natalee still does not have Justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 19, 2009, 09:28:44 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 09:48:42 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


I still don't trust ohcanada.  It is up to no good IMo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 10:16:08 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 10:27:27 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


I still don't trust ohcanada.  It is up to no good IMo.

I don't trust ohcanada or anyone else who just registered in December 2008.  Where were they all this time?  Were they an ex-banned member returning under a new nickname?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 10:29:08 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1795 on: May 16, 2009, 11:04:45 PM


a trap was set and ohcanada took the bait and went to our blog from her office IP (MCKINSEY AND COMPANY)!

But I also think a lot of monkeys were on to this person for some time.

As I said, it wasn't me that set the trap or even paid any attention to the ohcanada posts, cuz frankly I skipped over them as they just raised a gut meter for me as to not being who they said they were. The other individual that figured it out gave me the information is all.

Hope that helps.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg808956#msg808956


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 19, 2009, 10:38:00 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


I still don't trust ohcanada.  It is up to no good IMo.

I don't trust ohcanada or anyone else who just registered in December 2008.  Where were they all this time?  Were they an ex-banned member returning under a new nickname?

Agreed!

I don't trust ohcanada either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Cageman on May 19, 2009, 10:41:33 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


I still don't trust ohcanada.  It is up to no good IMo.

I don't trust ohcanada or anyone else who just registered in December 2008.  Where were they all this time?  Were they an ex-banned member returning under a new nickname?

Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 19, 2009, 10:47:20 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


I still don't trust ohcanada.  It is up to no good IMo.

I don't trust ohcanada or anyone else who just registered in December 2008.  Where were they all this time?  Were they an ex-banned member returning under a new nickname?

Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cageman, you are special!   ::MonkeyAngel::

As you know, we get a fair amount of drifters and troublemakers through here. ::MonkeyRoll::

You are welcome and appreciated.

Helen Back





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Cageman on May 19, 2009, 11:06:35 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


I still don't trust ohcanada.  It is up to no good IMo.

I don't trust ohcanada or anyone else who just registered in December 2008.  Where were they all this time?  Were they an ex-banned member returning under a new nickname?

Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cageman, you are special!   ::MonkeyAngel::

As you know, we get a fair amount of drifters and troublemakers through here. ::MonkeyRoll::

You are welcome and appreciated.

Helen Back


Thanks, Helen, but although I do understand the necessity of being cautious now and than, isn't this all turning a little bit into paranoia? All those bans, all those accusations.... Well, I don't know. It is difficult to judge here, but for me it is important to keep in touch with different opinions, even if it doens't fancy mine. JMHO.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 11:26:30 AM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


I still don't trust ohcanada.  It is up to no good IMo.

I don't trust ohcanada or anyone else who just registered in December 2008.  Where were they all this time?  Were they an ex-banned member returning under a new nickname?

Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!


But you had a good reason to register when you did and it wasn't because of the NH case

Edited to add:  We have members joining SM on a daily basis regarding many different cases.  Reminder, this is entire SM forum deals with many cases and not just the NH case. 

I do have a problem with people who registered in December 2008 solely to post in the NH forum.  It makes no sense after nearly 4 years to all of a sudden show up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 19, 2009, 11:39:43 AM
                              TRUST IS EARNED,NOT GIVEN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 11:48:37 AM
Jen

Why would this employee from a MCKINSEY AND COMPANY office in Canada access the Natalee's Freebird blog  at the same time there was an attempt to trap ohcanada.

Then when I consider MCKINSEY AND COMPANY'S purpose statement ... I get a hinky feeling that there is a connection.

Janet

++++++++

Blue Moon
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1774 on: May 16, 2009, 10:50:59 PM


McKinsey & Company is a global management consulting firm. We are the trusted advisor to the worlds leading businesses, governments, and institutions ...

http://www.mckinsey.com/aboutus/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg808934#msg808934


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1778 on: May 16, 2009, 10:52:40 PM


"Our clients call us when they have something pressing on their mindswhether it is a major strategic or operational need or an organizational challenge. They look to us for honest, objective, thoughtful, and experienced advice.

Our clients talk to us when they find themselves under pressure to deliver results. They call us in uncertain times. They talk to us when information is difficult to get and insights are scarce. They call us when they need to make decisions that will have major consequences for their people, their organizations, and the countries in which they operate. They call us when they want a truly global perspective." ...

http://www.mckinsey.com/aboutus/whatwedo/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg808934#msg808934


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 12:15:52 PM
Above post.

forum s/b blog

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 12:33:38 PM
Above post.

forum s/b blog

Thanks

Janet

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 19, 2009, 12:43:10 PM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet How is Your Tooth this morning? I hope You got some rest last night..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 12:51:29 PM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet How is Your Tooth this morning? I hope You got some rest last night..... ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for asking hotping.

The toothache did settle down as the night progressed and ... I did sleep.  I took an ibprohen(?) and put Aloe vera directly on the tooth.

The dentist office contacted me this morning and ... advised me that the dentist would not be able to see me until 10:30 AM ... 40 minutes to go.

Janet
9:50 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 19, 2009, 12:59:08 PM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet How is Your Tooth this morning? I hope You got some rest last night..... ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for asking hotping.

The toothache did settle down as the night progressed and ... I did sleep.  I took an ibprohen(?) and put Aloe vera directly on the tooth.

The dentist office contacted me this morning and ... advised me that the dentist would not be able to see me until 10:30 AM ... 40 minutes to go.

Janet
9:50 AM PT

Great! I will have to remember that combo..ibuprofen and aloe!  ::cartwheel:: I'm glad that You got some relieve and were able to rest!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 19, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
                              TRUST IS EARNED,NOT GIVEN
Yep!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 19, 2009, 01:27:57 PM
Janet - I can say for certain,  "ohcanada" is not the McKinsey person.

I agree wtih you - it does seem a bit uncomfortable, but I was approached by the real McKinsey person - and while I don't know him/her from Adam, I do have to give him/her kudos for stepping forward to stop the confusion about "ohcanada".

And I also wanted to apologize publicly to that person (as in my prior post), because he/she certainly did not have to step forward to help.



Cageman - I can perfectly understand your point of view.  However, there have been far too many Johnny Come Lately folks who have wreaked havoc with people, and who seem to have caused utter frustration, heartache, and false hope to Natalee's family.

It's those folks who have made many people concerned and suspicious about new message board members for the Natalee boards. 

It's unfortunate that those people have created such general feelings of doubt, but those feelings are there.  As long as disinformationists and misinformationists keep coming forward - the sad truth is, I don't see those feelings fading any time soon.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 01:33:09 PM
I just noticed that SandraK is a Mod at BNH. ::MonkeyHaHa::

What a group Reality, Mark Purcell, Charlie Ratcliff, and SandraK!

There's your birds of a feather. ::MonkeyDevil::

Why would anyone believe anything from that board?














Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on May 19, 2009, 01:50:18 PM
Morning Monkeys! 

Magnolia
Lord have mercy, what a blast from the past
Look what that site has become? SandraK , no less.
Crackpots Galore

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 02:13:44 PM
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=3823625366361571190

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/NHAnon.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 19, 2009, 02:23:11 PM
Magnolia ... that is hilarious and sick, all at the same time  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas.... re: anon's posts ... another ruse????  :2thinky: :2saywhaa: :2thinky:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
I just noticed that SandraK is a Mod at BNH. ::MonkeyHaHa::

What a group Reality, Mark Purcell, Charlie Ratcliff, and SandraK!

There's your birds of a feather. ::MonkeyDevil::

Why would anyone believe anything from that board?














I have to say I hadn't noticed SandraK's status at BNH until you pointed it out.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 19, 2009, 02:28:39 PM
Magnolia ... that is hilarious and sick, all at the same time  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas.... re: anon's posts ... another ruse????  :2thinky: :2saywhaa: :2thinky:

I was just about to post something similar....why not contact the authorities directly?  WTH is this person and where have they been for 4 years?  WTH is this person in AZ?     

Hinkey.       ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
Magnolia ... that is hilarious and sick, all at the same time  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas.... re: anon's posts ... another ruse????  :2thinky: :2saywhaa: :2thinky:

Likely another ruse but I'd guess any info is getting captured and forwarded to the proper authorities by Kyle.  (proper authorities = ALE right  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 19, 2009, 02:29:30 PM
O/T WOW ...
Remains of missing teen found
May 19, 2009
JERUSALEM (JTA) -- Human remains found in the Galilee have been identified as an American-Israeli teenager missing for six years.
Dana Bennett disappeared Aug. 1, 2003 after she left work at a restaurant in Tiberias.
A court-imposed gag order was placed on the rest of the details of the case.
Police and volunteers launched a massive search for Bennett, 18, at the time of her disappearance, which involved the FBI since she also was an American citizen.
A Chicago native, Bennett had come to Israel to study and live at Kibbutz Tirat Tzvi in 1999. Her mother lives in Tiberias and her father in Los Angeles.
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/05/19/1005248/remains-of-missing-girl-found


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 19, 2009, 03:03:04 PM
Magnolia ... that is hilarious and sick, all at the same time  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas.... re: anon's posts ... another ruse????  :2thinky: :2saywhaa: :2thinky:

I was just about to post something similar....why not contact the authorities directly?  WTH is this person and where have they been for 4 years?  WTH is this person in AZ?     

Hinkey.       ::MonkeyEek::

WAY hinky!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 19, 2009, 03:03:45 PM
Magnolia ... that is hilarious and sick, all at the same time  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas.... re: anon's posts ... another ruse????  :2thinky: :2saywhaa: :2thinky:

Likely another ruse but I'd guess any info is getting captured and forwarded to the proper authorities by Kyle.  (proper authorities = ALE right  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  Yearight!  That'll be the day!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: DPJ on May 19, 2009, 03:07:11 PM
Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!
*blush* actually I registered in December 2008 too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 03:17:17 PM
Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!
*blush* actually I registered in December 2008 too.

DPJ - and what brought you to SM to discuss the NH case after all this time?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 19, 2009, 03:31:29 PM
KYLE WANTING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE LEAK WAS FOR JANUARY 23rd.

Kyle said: "I would really like to know how that got out on the [JAN] 23rd. I know for a fact the following cast of characters knew about the trap and sampling. This is not a complete list, just who I know who knew:
Dateline NBC, Tim Miller, Dave and Robin H., Beth, Persistence crew, Aruban police dive division, Tim Trahan, Louis Schafer (sp), Mos, Richardson, Eduardo Mansur


Kyle said: "Dateline already began scripting a story that we found Natalee on the 29th of Dec. Obviously this was halted on Dec 30th."

Kyle said: "No way would she {Beth] leak."

Kyle said: " I became a member at BNH on Jan 27th."

Kyle said:  The timing also came the day after the prosecution claim the FBI received the samples. (2 weeks late in my opinion). Something's foul in the state of Aruba.

BNH - Mark Purcell................>Capslockwizard..................>Kawish..................>Lorenzo Webb..........>Geerman..........>
Clyde Burke..............>Julia Renfro.............>Angela Mufzenhofer (sp)................>IFA...........>AHTA........>
see the pattern






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 03:33:50 PM
Magnolia ... that is hilarious and sick, all at the same time  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas.... re: anon's posts ... another ruse????  :2thinky: :2saywhaa: :2thinky:

Likely another ruse but I'd guess any info is getting captured and forwarded to the proper authorities by Kyle.  (proper authorities = ALE right  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )

I suspect it is the same group.....different board.... and trying to vindicate Kyle, while causing diversions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 19, 2009, 03:42:02 PM
Magnolia ... that is hilarious and sick, all at the same time  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas.... re: anon's posts ... another ruse????  :2thinky: :2saywhaa: :2thinky:

Likely another ruse but I'd guess any info is getting captured and forwarded to the proper authorities by Kyle.  (proper authorities = ALE right  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )

I suspect it is the same group.....different board.... and trying to vindicate Kyle, while causing diversions.

Magnolia you have been right so many times, I'm standing by ya.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: DPJ on May 19, 2009, 03:42:30 PM
Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!
*blush* actually I registered in December 2008 too.

DPJ - and what brought you to SM to discuss the NH case after all this time?   ::MonkeyWink::
They were personal or selfish reasons klaasend.

During the last months of 2008 it became clear to me that for professional reasons I probably would have to move for some time to the Dutch Antilles.
In the same period there was a renewed interest in the case here in Holland due to Joran's antics in Thailand and Peter de Vries' coverage.

Those two made me do some googling on Aruba, Natalee and Joran which led me quickly to Scared Monkeys, so that's why I drop in here once in a while.

I don't post much but maybe I can contribute more when I've actually moved to the Antilles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 03:42:59 PM
KYLE WANTING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE LEAK WAS FOR JANUARY 23rd.

Kyle said: "I would really like to know how that got out on the [JAN] 23rd. I know for a fact the following cast of characters knew about the trap and sampling. This is not a complete list, just who I know who knew:
Dateline NBC, Tim Miller, Dave and Robin H., Beth, Persistence crew, Aruban police dive division, Tim Trahan, Louis Schafer (sp), Mos, Richardson, Eduardo Mansur


Kyle said: "Dateline already began scripting a story that we found Natalee on the 29th of Dec. Obviously this was halted on Dec 30th."

Kyle said: "No way would she {Beth] leak."

Kyle said: " I became a member at BNH on Jan 27th."

Kyle said:  The timing also came the day after the prosecution claim the FBI received the samples. (2 weeks late in my opinion). Something's foul in the state of Aruba.

BNH - Mark Purcell................>Capslockwizard..................>Kawish..................>Lorenzo Webb..........>Geerman..........>
Clyde Burke..............>Julia Renfro.............>Angela Mufzenhofer (sp)................>IFA...........>AHTA........>
see the pattern







Kermit, you left Robin out of the BNH mix.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 03:49:44 PM
Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!
*blush* actually I registered in December 2008 too.

DPJ - and what brought you to SM to discuss the NH case after all this time?   ::MonkeyWink::
They were personal or selfish reasons klaasend.

During the last months of 2008 it became clear to me that for professional reasons I probably would have to move for some time to the Dutch Antilles.
In the same period there was a renewed interest in the case here in Holland due to Joran's antics in Thailand and Peter de Vries' coverage.

Those two made me do some googling on Aruba, Natalee and Joran which led me quickly to Scared Monkeys, so that's why I drop in here once in a while.

I don't post much but maybe I can contribute more when I've actually moved to the Antilles.

Are you going to be moving to Curacao, Bonaire, Saba or ?  If you move to Bonaire say hi to van der Straaten for us  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 04:02:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56809.php

Through google translator:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/Amigoe051909a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 04:04:16 PM
May have already been posted:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_56808.php


Aruba
Ex-Minister Croes 6 tonnes must pay back to state
May 19, 2009, 16:39 (GMT -04:00)




ORANGE CITY - Former Minister of Telecommunications and Transport Glen Bert Croes need more than 6.6 tonnes florin to the government to repay. That the Court has determined.

The son of the famous politician Betico Croes Comptabiliteitsverordening would have been in 2000 to sign an agreement with trade union Siwa for later payment of arrears of indexation to employees of the Water and Power (WEB). Croes was the sign for indexing have exceeded its budget because he was not authorized for this purpose through a Land Decree. That is required under Article 14 of the Budget.

Croes' lawyers want the case declared inadmissible. Main reason would be that Croes time had received approval from the Cabinet to release funds for disbursement to the employees of indexing WEB. Croes took themselves that the employees of WEB with actions had threatened if he did not agree. It involved the payment of arrears of indexation for the period 1983-1991. Both the Court of First Instance and the Supreme Court had already in 1997 that the workers are not entitled to such indexing. It was Director of the Central Office Legal and General Affairs in response to a letter from Glen Bert Croes that since the privatization of WEB in 1991 workers were no longer in the public and therefore no legal effect on indexing.

The court ruled that the requirement of the government against Croes Croes is lawful and that abuse of his position was made. That he would have received approval of the Ministerial Council does not, according to the court. Croes itself is responsible and therefore under condemnation for the reimbursement of over 6 tonnes and about 36 thousand florin florin cost and a separate rate amount


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: DPJ on May 19, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
Are you going to be moving to Curacao, Bonaire, Saba or ?  If you move to Bonaire say hi to van der Straaten for us  ::MonkeyHaHa::
First to Cuba for 4 weeks to revive my now rusty Spanish in exchange for some volunteer medical work and after that an introductory period in Curacao and 9 to 12 months of work in Aruba.

No Bonaire however I'd like to do some travel in the region, so who knows I get to see van der Straaten and can ask him some questions he badly needs to answer.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 19, 2009, 04:18:48 PM
Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!
*blush* actually I registered in December 2008 too.

DPJ - and what brought you to SM to discuss the NH case after all this time?   ::MonkeyWink::

Hmmm, that might be a good question to ask all new subscribers ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 04:25:18 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 19, 2009, 04:33:05 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 19, 2009, 04:38:39 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::

As your well aware Bastibro.It's very easy to be deceptive! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 19, 2009, 04:45:15 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::

A nice little welcome and meet and greet. I like that idea, if it's sincere.
Give folks a chance. 
Ulterior motives, if there are any, soon rear their ugly heads. jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 19, 2009, 04:49:47 PM
Are you going to be moving to Curacao, Bonaire, Saba or ?  If you move to Bonaire say hi to van der Straaten for us  ::MonkeyHaHa::
First to Cuba for 4 weeks to revive my now rusty Spanish in exchange for some volunteer medical work and after that an introductory period in Curacao and 9 to 12 months of work in Aruba.

No Bonaire however I'd like to do some travel in the region, so who knows I get to see van der Straaten and can ask him some questions he badly needs to answer.  ::MonkeyWink::

I appreciate your post.
Are you looking forward to island life?  Warm climate? - etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
Bastibro & Can - a little meet and greet is all good and well if all a person does is show interest in one case.  Can you magine each one of our forums on the different cases having a "meet and greet?  LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that anytime someone joins a missing persons thread nearly 4 years after she went missing it opens them up to suspicions.  Especially in this case.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 19, 2009, 04:51:32 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::

A nice little welcome and meet and greet. I like that idea, if it's sincere.
Give folks a chance. 
Ulterior motives, if there are any, soon rear their ugly heads. jmo

Thats exactly what I was trying to say (in my best English).
Having own agenda`s will always appear sooner or later ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 19, 2009, 04:54:15 PM
Bastibro & Can - a little meet and greet is all good and well if all a person does is show interest in one case.  Can you magine each one of our forums on the different cases having a "meet and greet?  LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that anytime someone joins a missing persons thread nearly 4 years after she went missing it opens them up to suspicions.  Especially in this case.


I hear ya' Klaas.  There are many welcoming members on our various threads, and I like that aspect.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 19, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
Bastibro & Can - a little meet and greet is all good and well if all a person does is show interest in one case.  Can you magine each one of our forums on the different cases having a "meet and greet?  LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that anytime someone joins a missing persons thread nearly 4 years after she went missing it opens them up to suspicions.  Especially in this case.


I hear ya' Klaas.  There are many welcoming members on our various threads, and I like that aspect.

Just like in normal life.

I remember writing my own motivations to the Monkeys LONG LONG ago ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 19, 2009, 05:01:08 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::

A nice little welcome and meet and greet. I like that idea, if it's sincere.
Give folks a chance. 
Ulterior motives, if there are any, soon rear their ugly heads. jmo

Thats exactly what I was trying to say (in my best English).
Having own agenda`s will always appear sooner or later ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, as we have seen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: DPJ on May 19, 2009, 05:13:51 PM
I appreciate your post.
Are you looking forward to island life?  Warm climate? - etc.
Thanks can, I don't mind answering a few questions, it comes with entering into a tight community like the monkeys.

To answer your question, yes I do look forward to moving to the Antilles.
Apart from the climate and a welcome change from our wet and cold north european climate, it is also a the finalisation of a studies that I started over a decade ago.

If I finish this and put in some hard work in 2010 then a doctorate should be the reward in 2011.

I hope this is enough about me, this thread is about someone else I think. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 19, 2009, 05:36:59 PM
I appreciate your post.
Are you looking forward to island life?  Warm climate? - etc.
Thanks can, I don't mind answering a few questions, it comes with entering into a tight community like the monkeys.

To answer your question, yes I do look forward to moving to the Antilles.
Apart from the climate and a welcome change from our wet and cold north european climate, it is also a the finalisation of a studies that I started over a decade ago.

If I finish this and put in some hard work in 2010 then a doctorate should be the reward in 2011.

I hope this is enough about me, this thread is about someone else I think. 
Good for you and I wish you every success.
I didn't mean to put you on the spot.

Indeed we are here for Natalee and her family in hope that Natalee will one day be returned to American soil and the perpetrators will be brought
to justice.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 05:40:06 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::

Being a little sarcastic here Bastibro?  You are lucky so far (JMO). 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 19, 2009, 05:44:07 PM
I appreciate your post.
Are you looking forward to island life?  Warm climate? - etc.
Thanks can, I don't mind answering a few questions, it comes with entering into a tight community like the monkeys.

To answer your question, yes I do look forward to moving to the Antilles.
Apart from the climate and a welcome change from our wet and cold north european climate, it is also a the finalisation of a studies that I started over a decade ago.

If I finish this and put in some hard work in 2010 then a doctorate should be the reward in 2011.

I hope this is enough about me, this thread is about someone else I think. 
Good for you and I wish you every success.
I didn't mean to put you on the spot.

Indeed we are here for Natalee and her family in hope that Natalee will one day be returned to American soil and the perpetrators will be brought
to justice.
 

AMEN!

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/nataleeblue-bumpersticker.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 19, 2009, 05:48:42 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::

Being a little sarcastic here Bastibro?  You are lucky so far (JMO). 


Hi Blue Moon, Trying to be friendly to me here? You`re doing a bad job ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bradysmom on May 19, 2009, 05:54:02 PM
Hi Everyone,
I'm a new member here, but I've been reading here for years. I've been a member at blogs for natalee for years, and don't post much at all, but read there and here almost every day ( my username at BFN is emilyanne ). Disclaimer, lol...I am NOT part of the disinformation team. I don't know anyone directly related to the Natalee Holloway case...not her family or friends, and not anyone from the other side either ( van der sloots, mark purcell, etc ). I don't know any "secret information" about the case and will never pretend to. I have been obsessed ( lol, not literally, but very, very interested ) in the natalee holloway case since the day the news broke about it. My son was 5 months old at the time, and I have been staying on top of it since. I drive my husband nuts talking about it, and so I decided that since this forum has the most up to date info and dedicated people, maybe I'd join in and also start posting more at BFN!!
My name is Emily, and I am a 28 year old stay-at-home mom to a 4 year old boy named Brady. I have my bachelors in psychology and am working on my masters part time, and hope to be done by the time Brady starts 1st grade! A couple of years ago, my husband and I sold our house and moved into my grandmothers home nearby, to care for her because my grandfather had recently passed away and she was in late stages of Alzheimers. She just passed away in october, and my husband and son and I have decided to stay in this house, mostly for sentimental reasons...I came here all the time growing up. Taking care of her was a FULL TIME JOB day AND night, so I didn't have much time to post anywhere, which was another reason I didn't bother to make an account here. But I did read here all the time...it was my one escape when everyone was finally in bed and asleep, lol!
I live in New Hampshire, my husband is an electrical engineer, my mom is a judge and dad a medical mal practice attorney, brother a lawyer. I hope I gave you guys enough information to help you get to know me and not think I'm here to cause trouble or here as a "plant". I really enjoy all of you guys, and love and look forward to reading your posts! I look forward to getting to know you guys, and by the way...I am one of the "guests" that reads everyday, lol!

Emily


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: DPJ on May 19, 2009, 05:56:25 PM
I appreciate your post.
Are you looking forward to island life?  Warm climate? - etc.
Thanks can, I don't mind answering a few questions, it comes with entering into a tight community like the monkeys.

To answer your question, yes I do look forward to moving to the Antilles.
Apart from the climate and a welcome change from our wet and cold north european climate, it is also a the finalisation of a studies that I started over a decade ago.

If I finish this and put in some hard work in 2010 then a doctorate should be the reward in 2011.

I hope this is enough about me, this thread is about someone else I think. 
Good for you and I wish you every success.
I didn't mean to put you on the spot.

Indeed we are here for Natalee and her family in hope that Natalee will one day be returned to American soil and the perpetrators will be brought
to justice.
 
Thanks that's very nice of you and no problem putting me on the spot just a tiny little bit.

I too hope that Natalee will be returned to American soil and that her family will find some peace of mind.

Goodnight can and other monkeys it's late here I'm off to bed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 05:57:18 PM
CBS 42 in Birmingham is having another segment on the Natalee/Aruba story at
5:00 and at 10:00.  I just heard a tease that said.....why Aruba will never be the same.

The ABC station ran the story of Beth speaking in Texas today with footage.
Beth had on no eyemakeup.  She looked really different.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 19, 2009, 05:59:21 PM
CBS 42 in Birmingham is having another segment on the Natalee/Aruba story at
5:00 and at 10:00.  I just heard a tease that said.....why Aruba will never be the same.

The ABC station ran the story of Beth speaking in Texas today with footage.
Beth had on no eyemakeup.  She looked really different.

Thanx Magnolia...Welcome Bradysmom..Guess you know all uf us by now... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 06:01:52 PM
Hi Everyone,
I'm a new member here, but I've been reading here for years. I've been a member at blogs for natalee for years, and don't post much at all, but read there and here almost every day ( my username at BFN is emilyanne ). Disclaimer, lol...I am NOT part of the disinformation team. I don't know anyone directly related to the Natalee Holloway case...not her family or friends, and not anyone from the other side either ( van der sloots, mark purcell, etc ). I don't know any "secret information" about the case and will never pretend to. I have been obsessed ( lol, not literally, but very, very interested ) in the natalee holloway case since the day the news broke about it. My son was 5 months old at the time, and I have been staying on top of it since. I drive my husband nuts talking about it, and so I decided that since this forum has the most up to date info and dedicated people, maybe I'd join in and also start posting more at BFN!!
My name is Emily, and I am a 28 year old stay-at-home mom to a 4 year old boy named Brady. I have my bachelors in psychology and am working on my masters part time, and hope to be done by the time Brady starts 1st grade! A couple of years ago, my husband and I sold our house and moved into my grandmothers home nearby, to care for her because my grandfather had recently passed away and she was in late stages of Alzheimers. She just passed away in october, and my husband and son and I have decided to stay in this house, mostly for sentimental reasons...I came here all the time growing up. Taking care of her was a FULL TIME JOB day AND night, so I didn't have much time to post anywhere, which was another reason I didn't bother to make an account here. But I did read here all the time...it was my one escape when everyone was finally in bed and asleep, lol!
I live in New Hampshire, my husband is an electrical engineer, my mom is a judge and dad a medical mal practice attorney, brother a lawyer. I hope I gave you guys enough information to help you get to know me and not think I'm here to cause trouble or here as a "plant". I really enjoy all of you guys, and love and look forward to reading your posts! I look forward to getting to know you guys, and by the way...I am one of the "guests" that reads everyday, lol!

Emily

Glad to have you down from the rafters, Bradysmom. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 19, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
A very warm welcome to you bradysmom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 06:04:29 PM
Hi Everyone,
I'm a new member here, but I've been reading here for years. I've been a member at blogs for natalee for years, and don't post much at all, but read there and here almost every day ( my username at BFN is emilyanne ). Disclaimer, lol...I am NOT part of the disinformation team. I don't know anyone directly related to the Natalee Holloway case...not her family or friends, and not anyone from the other side either ( van der sloots, mark purcell, etc ). I don't know any "secret information" about the case and will never pretend to. I have been obsessed ( lol, not literally, but very, very interested ) in the natalee holloway case since the day the news broke about it. My son was 5 months old at the time, and I have been staying on top of it since. I drive my husband nuts talking about it, and so I decided that since this forum has the most up to date info and dedicated people, maybe I'd join in and also start posting more at BFN!!
My name is Emily, and I am a 28 year old stay-at-home mom to a 4 year old boy named Brady. I have my bachelors in psychology and am working on my masters part time, and hope to be done by the time Brady starts 1st grade! A couple of years ago, my husband and I sold our house and moved into my grandmothers home nearby, to care for her because my grandfather had recently passed away and she was in late stages of Alzheimers. She just passed away in october, and my husband and son and I have decided to stay in this house, mostly for sentimental reasons...I came here all the time growing up. Taking care of her was a FULL TIME JOB day AND night, so I didn't have much time to post anywhere, which was another reason I didn't bother to make an account here. But I did read here all the time...it was my one escape when everyone was finally in bed and asleep, lol!
I live in New Hampshire, my husband is an electrical engineer, my mom is a judge and dad a medical mal practice attorney, brother a lawyer. I hope I gave you guys enough information to help you get to know me and not think I'm here to cause trouble or here as a "plant". I really enjoy all of you guys, and love and look forward to reading your posts! I look forward to getting to know you guys, and by the way...I am one of the "guests" that reads everyday, lol!

Emily

Hi bradysmom, welcome.  Personally, I believe you have given too much info.  Never know who would use that info on the world-wide web which is some of the problems we have had here in this forum.  But WELCOME again.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 06:05:16 PM


Welcome to Scared Monkeys Bradysmom!    


::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 06:06:08 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::

And good afternoon to you too!   ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyAngel::

Being a little sarcastic here Bastibro?  You are lucky so far (JMO). 


Hi Blue Moon, Trying to be friendly to me here? You`re doing a bad job ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 06:07:42 PM
Bastibro - we were having a friendly discussion.

I know Klaas and I am kind of serious about this . .
It`s a question that shouldn't be to hard to answer for a sincere new member.

I think it`s a normal question, being interested in someones motives. JMHO ::MonkeyWink::



Being a little sarcastic here Bastibro?  You are lucky so far (JMO). 


Hi Blue Moon, Trying to be friendly to me here? You`re doing a bad job ::MonkeyCool::


Darn it, made a boo-boo:  correction:

And good afternoon to you too!   ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 06:07:54 PM


Welcome to Scared Monkeys Bradysmom!    


::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

Those are some hinky dancing boots TM. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 06:10:14 PM
CBS 42 in Birmingham is having another segment on the Natalee/Aruba story at
5:00 and at 10:00.  I just heard a tease that said.....why Aruba will never be the same.

The ABC station ran the story of Beth speaking in Texas today with footage.
Beth had on no eyemakeup.  She looked really different.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyDance::

Wow, no eye makeup...I know how that totally changes the way I look!   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 06:12:06 PM


Welcome to Scared Monkeys Bradysmom!    


::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

Those are some hinky dancing boots TM. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 19, 2009, 06:14:10 PM
Good night DPJ.

Welcome to SM bradysmom!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 06:17:47 PM
Natalee Holloway case looms over aruba like a black cloud.

Tourism dipped 9% after the call for a boycott, but the island has rebounded and
tourism is back up to what it was before.  ( I don't think so)
Tourist feel safe but do not go out except in groups.

I think this report is BS.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 06:19:53 PM
Welcome Bradysmom!

Thanks Magnolia for the show info!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 19, 2009, 06:20:11 PM
Natalee Holloway case looms over aruba like a black cloud.

Tourism dipped 9% after the call for a boycott, but the island has rebounded and
tourism is back up to what it was before.  ( I don't think so)
Tourist feel safe but do not go out except in groups.

I think this report is BS.


If the tourists felt safe, why would they only go out in groups? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 06:20:59 PM
Natalee Holloway case looms over aruba like a black cloud.

Tourism dipped 9% after the call for a boycott, but the island has rebounded and
tourism is back up to what it was before.  ( I don't think so)
Tourist feel safe but do not go out except in groups.

I think this report is BS.



They must have spoken with Renfro for that info  ::MonkeyHaHa::  We know tourism numbers are down due to the economy (at least).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/special/story/Tourism-in-Aruba-since-Holloway-s-Disappearance/wFgpbx5OJUiFuf9uEgDDJQ.cspx

Tourism in Aruba since Holloways Disappearance
  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 4:38 pm 

 

(CBS 42) Its been four years since Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba.  The negative attention from that tragedy put a serious dent in the island nation's prime industry: Tourism.

Dont worry, be happy Its kind of the theme song for island paradise get-aways.  But with the Natalee Holloway tragedy looming over Aruba like a black cloud, are vacationers feeling the care-free vibe?

Tourist Evelyn Nedeau said, "Not worried about a thing.  First impression, it is beautiful, it is safe, the weather is gorgeous.  The beach is phenomenal."

"We have a certain affinity for the island.  We know there are decent people herehardworking and industrious," said Ron Conway.

And tourism has begun to re-build in Aruba, the Natalee Holloway affect has weakened and cruise ships and planes have begun to dock and descend on this destination.

"We come here every year, last year we came here twice. We bring our kids here," said Donna Nedeau.

"It was very unfortunate and our hearts go out to her family, but it didn't stop us from coming out and having some fun," said Joe Boccuti.

Tourists say they feel safe on the island of Aruba.  In fact they feel so safe they have no problem walking down the street at two or three in the morning as long as they are with a good group of friends.

"We stay together, we walk together and that's how we do it," said Evelyn Viera.

70% of Arubas tourism comes from the U.S.  And while many pray for the conclusion of Natalee Holloways case, they understand her death was an island aberration.

"Anywhere you go something can happen.  Bad things happen in all different places, but you can't let it stop you from going to wonderful places, and this is really a great place," said Boccuti.

According to a Caribbean travel Web site, tourism dipped more than 9% after Beth Holloway's plea for an island boycott.  Since then those numbers have rebounded, returning U.S. dollars to the pockets of Aruba locals who rely on tourism to feed their families.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 06:28:09 PM

Here is the transcript from CBS42

Tourism in Aruba since Holloways Disappearance

  Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 4:38 pm 
 

Its been four years since Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba.  The negative attention from that tragedy put a serious dent in the island nation's prime industry: Tourism.

Dont worry, be happy Its kind of the theme song for island paradise get-aways.  But with the Natalee Holloway tragedy looming over Aruba like a black cloud, are vacationers feeling the care-free vibe?

Tourist Evelyn Nedeau said, "Not worried about a thing.  First impression, it is beautiful, it is safe, the weather is gorgeous.  The beach is phenomenal."

"We have a certain affinity for the island.  We know there are decent people herehardworking and industrious," said Ron Conway.

And tourism has begun to re-build in Aruba, the Natalee Holloway affect has weakened and cruise ships and planes have begun to dock and descend on this destination.

"We come here every year, last year we came here twice. We bring our kids here," said Donna Nedeau.

"It was very unfortunate and our hearts go out to her family, but it didn't stop us from coming out and having some fun," said Joe Boccuti.

Tourists say they feel safe on the island of Aruba.  In fact they feel so safe they have no problem walking down the street at two or three in the morning as long as they are with a good group of friends.

"We stay together, we walk together and that's how we do it," said Evelyn Viera.

70% of Arubas tourism comes from the U.S.  And while many pray for the conclusion of Natalee Holloways case, they understand her death was an island aberration.

"Anywhere you go something can happen.  Bad things happen in all different places, but you can't let it stop you from going to wonderful places, and this is really a great place," said Boccuti.

According to a Caribbean travel Web site, tourism dipped more than 9% after Beth Holloway's plea for an island boycott.  Since then those numbers have rebounded, returning U.S. dollars to the pockets of Aruba locals who rely on tourism to feed their families.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 06:29:49 PM
Wonder if this is the Joe Boccuti in the article  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.meetup.com/members/4545269/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 06:32:29 PM
Natalee Holloway case looms over aruba like a black cloud.

Tourism dipped 9% after the call for a boycott, but the island has rebounded and
tourism is back up to what it was before.  ( I don't think so)
Tourist feel safe but do not go out except in groups.

I think this report is BS.



I totally agree Mags.  Total BS.  They still cannot get the story straight.  Guess we need to ratchet it up a little more.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 06:32:54 PM
Wonder if this is the Joe Boccuti in the article  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.meetup.com/members/4545269/

Maybe he was in Aruba to perform at Alex Mathew's new brothel. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 06:36:21 PM
Wonder if this is the Joe Boccuti in the article  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.meetup.com/members/4545269/

Maybe he was in Aruba to perform at Alex Mathew's new brothel. ::MonkeyDevil::

sounds like Aruba PAID him to come to their beautiful island and speak up for them.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 06:38:28 PM
Mother of Natalee Holloway to speak at Austin High
By Laura Heinauer | Monday, May 18, 2009, 09:01 AM

Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Birmingham, Ala., woman who disappeared in 2005 while on a senior graduation trip in Aruba, will speak to an assembly at Austin High School today.

The assembly will be at 11 a.m. in the Performing Arts Center at the school, located at 1715 W. Cesar Chavez.

District officials said Holloway has been visiting high schools around the country to urge students to be cautious when traveling.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/education/entries/2009/05/18/mother_of_natalee_holloway_to.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 06:40:30 PM
UPDATE

WATCH: Mother warns Austin students about travel dangers
10:07 PM CDT on Monday, May 18, 2009
By TOM HARRIS
KVUE News

It's been almost four years since high school senior Natalee Holloway disappeared off the island of Aruba. It's a story that captured worldwide attention.

Beth Holloway, mother of the missing girl, travels the US warning students about the dangers when traveling abroad. She spent the morning at Austin High School.

Holloway believes her daughter was kidnapped, raped and murdered. She says it's a tough story to tell, but one that high school students need to hear.

"There is a real connection. I think they can see themselves in Natalee's shoes, and I think they can also see me as their parent," she said.

Holloway says she is not discouraging the students from traveling. She just wants them to always have a plan and stick together.

Austin High Student Kellie Dashiell was listening.

"I think it's important because whenever people my age travel, they never expect something like that to happen," Dashiell said.

Austin High student Courtney Upstatd says it's a good message to hear.

"We went to Costa Rica for a month without parents. It is a completely different atmosphere than America and you just really need to be aware of your surroundings," said Upstatd.

It was the Austin High School parents who brought Holloway in to talk to their kids.

"Who would have ever thought that with a group of hundred students, chaperoned... that something like this could happen. Parents never want to get that phone call," said Christi Davidson, who has a son at the school.

Holloway says she may never get justice for Natalee's death, but she wants to help others.

"They are always very appreciative and will come up to me just to say thank you. They say it gives them a whole new perspective on how they want to live their lives," Holloway said.

Austin High School students gave Holloway a standing ovation at the end of her presentation

http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/051809kvue_Holloway_talk-cb.170a9b37.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 06:41:26 PM
http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05192009_24ora_AHATA.jpg)

Papiamentu/Google Spanish Translation:

minister is stra ahata cu owing to send local release

tuesday, 19 may 2009 - 16:46

eddie Briesen cabinet minister according eman owing to drive more of 18 miyon in tourism. Oduber cabinet is and have spent about 54 of miyon guilder. ahata now owing to cuminza as close door meetings and government do not achieve opportunity for enter in they. ask government is about is if his self is the only responsible for thirteen tourist. of attention is at the minister cu cu have some problem as hotel westin The.. come across


thirteen tourist!   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 06:43:43 PM
Wonder if this is the Joe Boccuti in the article  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.meetup.com/members/4545269/

Maybe he was in Aruba to perform at Alex Mathew's new brothel. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 06:52:57 PM
Video from last night:

http://www.cbs42.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=12326@wiat.dayport.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 06:53:48 PM
Natalee Holloway case looms over aruba like a black cloud.

Tourism dipped 9% after the call for a boycott, but the island has rebounded and
tourism is back up to what it was before.  ( I don't think so)
Tourist feel safe but do not go out except in groups.

I think this report is BS.



Yep! (http://www.xbox360.is/style_emoticons/default/bullshit.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 07:06:59 PM
KYLE WANTING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE LEAK WAS FOR JANUARY 23rd.

Kyle said: "I would really like to know how that got out on the [JAN] 23rd. I know for a fact the following cast of characters knew about the trap and sampling. This is not a complete list, just who I know who knew:
Dateline NBC, Tim Miller, Dave and Robin H., Beth, Persistence crew, Aruban police dive division, Tim Trahan, Louis Schafer (sp), Mos, Richardson, Eduardo Mansur


Kyle said: "Dateline already began scripting a story that we found Natalee on the 29th of Dec. Obviously this was halted on Dec 30th."

Kyle said: "No way would she {Beth] leak."

Kyle said: "I became a member at BNH on Jan 27th."

Kyle said:  The timing also came the day after the prosecution claim the FBI received the samples. (2 weeks late in my opinion). Something's foul in the state of Aruba.

BNH - Mark Purcell................>Capslockwizard..................>Kawish..................>Lorenzo Webb..........>Geerman..........>
Clyde Burke..............>Julia Renfro.............>Angela Mufzenhofer (sp)................>IFA...........>AHTA........>
see the pattern



 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Kermit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 07:52:18 PM
Video from last night:

http://www.cbs42.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=12326@wiat.dayport.com

I noticed they let the camera and crew through customs.  Wonder if that only applied to Greta and Beth during their visit?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 19, 2009, 08:18:21 PM
I want to clear up a point.

"ohcanada" is not the person here at SM from the McKinsey company.

The real person affiliated with that company came forward yesterday - and it is not "ohcanada".

And this person stated he/she does not work in any position related to PR/media/advisor for McKinsey.

This person also stated that he/she is not aware of McKinsey representing anything to do with Aruba - but cannot be certain.

A big thank you, and apologies to this person!


I still don't trust ohcanada.  It is up to no good IMo.

I don't trust ohcanada or anyone else who just registered in December 2008.  Where were they all this time?  Were they an ex-banned member returning under a new nickname?

Sniff....
Actually I did register 2008-12-7!!


Hey, I joined 3-2-08  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 19, 2009, 08:19:50 PM
I look different without eye makeup too.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 08:24:56 PM
I look different without eye makeup too.  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 08:40:57 PM
I look different without eye makeup too.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2009, 09:51:56 PM
CBS Natalee Holloway 4 years later:

http://www.youtube.com/v/nfy2E_Xp7eo&hl=en&fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/o29LNXB--Y0&hl=en&fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/Jsokeizo4q8&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 19, 2009, 10:00:00 PM
Natalee Holloway case looms over aruba like a black cloud.

Tourism dipped 9% after the call for a boycott, but the island has rebounded and
tourism is back up to what it was before.  ( I don't think so)
Tourist feel safe but do not go out except in groups.

I think this report is BS.



I totally agree Mags.  Total BS.  They still cannot get the story straight.  Guess we need to ratchet it up a little more.   ::MonkeyDevil::

i agree this is bull shit these tourist have thier head in the sand.  they need to pick up the local papers.  Tourism down- crime up. even crime against tourist is on the rise not to mention how many girls go missing or are abducted by gangs.  sl

Edited by San to fix post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 10:19:02 PM
SandyLeiva, if you have time....please tell us what you understand about this story.

Thanks in advance, your help is greatly appreciated!   ::MonkeyCool::

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Papiamentu translation:

trio cu owing to atraca tourist fast royal plaza owing to stay condena at castigo of jail, y at servicio comunitario

diabierna ul t imo, the sospechosonan jonathan croes, ilan stamper y yaderick schwengle have to owing to present fast huez for listen they sentencia. tasina cu yaderick schwengle anteriormente owing to wordo let pound, already cu his participacion in the atraco was minimo. huez owing to achieve legalmente prove cu ilan stamper is complice of atraco on two tourist y is complice of ladronicia also on turistanan. past owing to as cuenta cu ilan stamper was together cu jonathan croes day 4 january 2009 y they owing to atraca the turistanan. huez did take they at bad cu thing they're haci is spite turism for aruba. past owing to condena ilan stamper na12 month of jail of cual 4 month is condicional cu the condicion special cu during the time of proof of 2 year, ilan stamper have to cay bao guia of reclasering for less consumo marihuana. also ilan stamper owing to wordo condena at 160 hour servicio comunitario. huez owing to tell cu the is achieve legalmente prove cu jonathan croes, is complice of atraco y ladronicia on two person. past owing to show cu day 4 january 2009 jonathan croes owing to leave together cu ilan stamper y cu past owing to tell ilan stamper cu have to of coin. in becindario of royal plaza they owing to atraca two tourist, caminda ilan stamper owing to ranca bag y they core bay in car y ilan stamper owing to entrega the bag at jonathan croes. after ilan stamper owing to bay steal two bag of turistanan cu owing to achieve flat tire y jonathan croes owing to recoge one bag cu ilan stamper owing to let cay. they owing to bay in car y core bay. huez is achieve cu here claramente can talk of complice of atraco y ladronicia, because owing to work together cu ilan stamper. past owing to as cuenta cu jonathan croes is recidivista y owing to condena jonathan croes at 12 month of jail of cual 3 month is condicional cu time of proof 2 year. also jonathan croes have to haci 160 servicio comunitario. for thing is yaderick schwengle, huez is haye culpable of complice of ladronicia. past owing to condene at 109 day of jail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 10:20:11 PM
Natalee Holloway case looms over aruba like a black cloud.

Tourism dipped 9% after the call for a boycott, but the island has rebounded and
tourism is back up to what it was before.  ( I don't think so)
Tourist feel safe but do not go out except in groups.

I think this report is BS.



I totally agree Mags.  Total BS.  They still cannot get the story straight.  Guess we need to ratchet it up a little more.   ::MonkeyDevil::

i agree this is bull shit these tourist have thier head in the sand.  they need to pick up the local papers.  Tourism down- crime up. even crime against tourist is on the rise not to mention how many girls go missing or are abducted by gangs.  sl

Edited by San to fix post.

AMEN!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 10:26:27 PM


Thanks for the Youtube's Klaas!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 10:28:00 PM
Video from last night:

http://www.cbs42.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=12326@wiat.dayport.com

I noticed they let the camera and crew through customs.  Wonder if that only applied to Greta and Beth during their visit?

I think they'll probably let anybody in with anything now....if they'll spend a few dollars!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bradysmom on May 19, 2009, 10:32:12 PM
Hi Monkeys! ( off topic real quick )
Thank you all for your warm welcome! Bluemoon, I hope I didn't post too much info...now I'm nervous. I do remember reading about those people stalking Kermit and some others...I wasn't thinking about that when I wrote my whole biography for you all.
I know this post is off topic, and I won't continue to post off topic things, but just posted my info so you all would know who I am and why I'm here. I guess it doesn't matter that much, because as we've all seen, there are some GREAT liars out there and for all you know, I'm a 500 lb he/she!! lol
I read alot, but don't post much, and when I do, I have a bad habit of posting and then getting distracted for hours and forget to check back for replys or questions, so if there are any questions anyone has for me ever, if I don't post back right away it's because I've probably walked away from my computer, trying to keep up with my four year old.

Thanks again for the warm welcome, and I'm glad you've made me a part of your community Klaasend! Thank you! Goodnight Everyone! God bless Natalee Holloway, and I although I don't "preach" about religion, I AM a firm believer in the bible and that ALL THAT IS DONE IN DARKNESS WILL BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT. It may not be right now, or even a year from now, but eventually the WHOLE truth will come out, every little detail will be revealed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 10:44:11 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

I think this says at least one of the suspects was set free!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Papiamentu translation:

because; cu not have sufficient fiscal, entrega of documentonan is yegando late huez is let sospechoso of drugs pound, pendiente day the caso wordo deal

the sospechoso of traficacion of drugs, julio de la cruz paula, diabierna ultimo owing to wordo let pound. huez owing to tell cu past owing to achieve the documentonan of the caso mucho late, but the do not culpa ministerio publico pesaki. past owing to tell cu for enough time end ministerio publico have scarcedad of fiscal y the mature cu have accionnan pisa is tumando lugar, is comprendibel cu can happen cu documentonan is arrive mucho late for can study they debidamente. diabierna ultimo julio de la cruz paula y his acompaante johanny del carmen jacobs ventura owing to present fast huez. johanny del carmen jacobs ventura actualmente do not close more, already cu huez owing to lage pound, because the have child at home y not have none person for see for they. fiscal is acusa they cu among 1 january 2008 y 6 december 2008 owing to exporta cocaine y also day 6 december 2008m they was in posecion ilegal of arm of candela y municion. also they're wordo acusa of posecion of marihuana. tasina cu day 27 march 2009 end they caso owing to come fast, but owing to stay posponi. is during razia ne cas owing to achieve the drugs y arm of candela. huez owing to tell cu by cu past owing to achieve the documentonan tuesday, is mucho late for bay study esakinan. past owing to splica cu have palabracionnan among ministerio publico y corte for send documentonan at time. huez owing to tell cu do not culpa of ministerio publico, already cu for ultimo aanan have scarcedad of fiscal y mirando the mature cu have one cantidad of accion is tumando lugar, not have sufficient personal. advocate figaroa owing to ask huez for suspende the detencion of julio de la cruz paula, but fiscal owing to opone. finalmente huez owing to tell cu according corte european one person cu admiti will can keep his caso enbez of stay close. the is achieve cu julio de la cruz paula will can bay cas, but cu the have to entrega pasaporte provided that espera of the caso penal contra dje. this for evita cu julio de la cruz will bandona aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 10:45:30 PM


Hope everybody noticed the "Jacobs" in one of the suspects name!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 11:04:46 PM


I see our reporter "Magnolia" is here!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2009, 11:12:05 PM


I see our reporter "Magnolia" is here!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Time to call it a night. Thanks TM for the news stories.  Thanks Mags for updates on what is being reported by CBS from Aruba.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 11:35:04 PM


I see our reporter "Magnolia" is here!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Time to call it a night. Thanks TM for the news stories.  Thanks Mags for updates on what is being reported by CBS from Aruba.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


You're welcome, Blue Moon!

Good Night!

I hope you peek in one more time and see her, I was off in the newspapers!


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 11:44:49 PM


I see our reporter "Magnolia" is here!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

I didn't report because they put the transcript up as soon as the segment is over.
I watched and it was yucky.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 11:45:24 PM
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Google translation:

open letter to to cq. officer van der schaft

at the events of April 30 last in apeldoorn during the celebration of Queensday when the attack on the royal family by a "sober" European Dutchman mean asking now how it is possible provided that especially "why"? . but Aruban citizen provided that certainly the father of the brothers williams I ate the ruling of the court in the case dakota "I specifically asked," where the hell are we doing in the kingdom with regard to justice? "why are my sons accused when there are so many proofs are very clear till the contrary, ie their innocence. how is it that we so often hear today closed "agreements (deals) between that provided to lawyers or clients. My question to you, what wax the "deal" you closed in the presence of the two detectives from aruba in st Kitts & nevis with Mr effy that provided Namdar joel? the agreement was made or what you agreed between the Aruban justice provided that the brothers Namdar of new york? provided that in order of who? it is the government of aruba or on behalf of the Minister of Justice? I ask you, given the fact of a very questionable investigation in the case provided that chris nigel williams. boys from other neighborhoods who have come to testify provided that at present the truth till dare proclaim! we have much evidence to materials issued till indicate that perjury was committed! (This material is still in my possession). police investigation that no stores provided that no material evidence has been! even a detective who suddenly leave (dismissal, flights?) there was gerommeld with statements he has provided to my sons so that I can go. Sir van der schaft already in 2006 there have been irregularities in the investigation into the shooting in San Nicolas where you as a prosecutor had the responsibility. you can be sure that I will not rest until the day I really will see justice for my children provided that everyone in this beautiful island aruba. now I understand more why you need till repatriation to Australia in November. it is clearer every day what pg nico jorg had said in his interview of what happened to the policy here to aruba happened. any person who is guilty of unacceptable practices will have to pay. provided that that counts for a prosecutor. I still believe that the laws are made for everyone in the kingdom of the Netherlands live lives that provided that provided that we must all respect, so in this case my person but you. I also refer to decisions of criminal justice professor ybo Buruma in (Volkskrant) ? Washington from October 21, 2008. this open letter by me in all media published.


sincerely, a.m.g. williams


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 19, 2009, 11:46:50 PM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:45 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 11:47:14 PM


I see our reporter "Magnolia" is here!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

I didn't report because they put the transcript up as soon as the segment is over.
I watched and it was yucky.

 ::MonkeyEek:: Yucky?

Transcripts are good, but I like your commentary!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 11:48:45 PM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:45 PM


Hey, what about your tooth?  I hope you're feeling better!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!


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Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 11:51:02 PM


I see our reporter "Magnolia" is here!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

I didn't report because they put the transcript up as soon as the segment is over.
I watched and it was yucky.

 ::MonkeyEek:: Yucky?

Transcripts are good, but I like your commentary!   ::MonkeyWink::

I got PO'd because they had somebody say it was her friends' fault because
they should have never let her go off alone.  Made me spit firin' mad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 19, 2009, 11:52:30 PM
Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 4:40 pm 

Print Story | Share this Story   

(CBS 42) Its graduation season, a time when teenagers and young adults head off for fun and sometimes wild vacations...  And whether they are staying here in the states or heading overseas, the safety rules are pretty much the same.

Long gone are the missing person posters and the yellow ribbons, but everywhere locals and tourists know her name and her story.

A lot people ask about Natalee Holloway.  Everybody comes here and you can't get away from thatit's terrible.

Terrible, yet something everyone we talked with in Aruba this week had learned from.

You want to talk to your kids more about it and prepare them for this type of thing.

Preparing them, according to police, has to begin with a good long talk.  What's acceptable, what are the limits, and simple rules...

The most important thing when you leave to go back to the hotel go back with the ones you came don't go with nobody you don't know, said Edwin Comenencia with the Aruba Police.

Comenencia says never ever get into a car with someone you just met.  And just like anywhere else, hide your valuables, don't carry a lot of cash and stay in busy, well-lit areas.

When you stay in a tourist area there is a lot of security and police walking the streets.

He also advises you to keep any spare keys at the hotel and program all police and hotel numbers into your cell phone.  And above all, Don't drink too much.  When you drink you are not the same person.

And if you are drinking, make sure you take your drink from a bartender or servers.  And have someone from your party watch your drink if you go to the bathroom to make sure no one puts anything in it.

And if there are adult chaperones be sure there is a clear understanding what their role will be and when you as a parent will be called.  One adult group from New York says they take no chances at home or overseas.

All activities, we stay together.  Nobody is by themselves.  You can't even go to the restroom by yourself.  Its something we always did; now we make it a common practice.  We make sure no one goes off by themselves.

And while Aruba caught the international spotlight we could only find one other kidnapping here.  Daniel Ferrara's brother was taken by a Venezuelan gang in 1998 and held for ransom until his rescue.  Ferrara still calls his country safe.

You can walk around 3am.  Doesn't matter what day...

True, but we must all remember Natalee must have felt very safe on her vacation, surrounded by friends and locals who appeared to be safe.

It was a very sad story...could happen to anybody anywhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 19, 2009, 11:55:32 PM


I see our reporter "Magnolia" is here!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

I didn't report because they put the transcript up as soon as the segment is over.
I watched and it was yucky.

 ::MonkeyEek:: Yucky?

Transcripts are good, but I like your commentary!   ::MonkeyWink::

I got PO'd because they had somebody say it was her friends' fault because
they should have never let her go off alone.  Made me spit firin' mad.

I'm mad too now!!!!!!!!! (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/madMonkey.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 12:02:20 AM
Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 4:40 pm 

Print Story | Share this Story   

(CBS 42) Its graduation season, a time when teenagers and young adults head off for fun and sometimes wild vacations...  And whether they are staying here in the states or heading overseas, the safety rules are pretty much the same.

Long gone are the missing person posters and the yellow ribbons, but everywhere locals and tourists know her name and her story.

A lot people ask about Natalee Holloway.  Everybody comes here and you can't get away from thatit's terrible.

Terrible, yet something everyone we talked with in Aruba this week had learned from.

You want to talk to your kids more about it and prepare them for this type of thing.

Preparing them, according to police, has to begin with a good long talk.  What's acceptable, what are the limits, and simple rules...

The most important thing when you leave to go back to the hotel go back with the ones you came don't go with nobody you don't know, said Edwin Comenencia with the Aruba Police.

Comenencia says never ever get into a car with someone you just met.  And just like anywhere else, hide your valuables, don't carry a lot of cash and stay in busy, well-lit areas.

When you stay in a tourist area there is a lot of security and police walking the streets.

He also advises you to keep any spare keys at the hotel and program all police and hotel numbers into your cell phone.  And above all, Don't drink too much.  When you drink you are not the same person.

And if you are drinking, make sure you take your drink from a bartender or servers.  And have someone from your party watch your drink if you go to the bathroom to make sure no one puts anything in it.

And if there are adult chaperones be sure there is a clear understanding what their role will be and when you as a parent will be called.  One adult group from New York says they take no chances at home or overseas.

All activities, we stay together.  Nobody is by themselves.  You can't even go to the restroom by yourself.  Its something we always did; now we make it a common practice.  We make sure no one goes off by themselves.

And while Aruba caught the international spotlight we could only find one other kidnapping here.  Daniel Ferrara's brother was taken by a Venezuelan gang in 1998 and held for ransom until his rescue.  Ferrara still calls his country safe.

You can walk around 3am.  Doesn't matter what day...

True, but we must all remember Natalee must have felt very safe on her vacation, surrounded by friends and locals who appeared to be safe.

It was a very sad story...could happen to anybody anywhere.


Guess they failed to mention the THREE GIRLS who have gone missing in the last month, one of which is still not home as far as I know.  

How are they going to blame this 15 year old girl for her own disappearance?

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 20, 2009, 12:07:24 AM
They did not include that in the transcript.  It was the group that said that you couldn't even go
to the bathroom by yourself.  Bunch of girls.....looked like early twenties or late teens.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 20, 2009, 12:09:09 AM
Thanks for the transcript Magnolia.

In reading it I can see why you're upset.

Good night Monkeys.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 20, 2009, 12:10:42 AM
A boy was arrested in Alabama this afternoon for making threats on the internet.
His threats were very similiar to Mip6 and Reality's threats against Klaas and Kermit.

He is in jail and can't even bond out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2009, 12:15:03 AM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:45 PM


Hey, what about your tooth?  I hope you're feeling better!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!


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Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Texasmom

For the most part ... my toothache has settle down.  I am afraid if I eat anything ... it will start up again.  Lukewarm soup/tea is where it is at.  For one week ... I am on antibotics to get rid of any infection and Ibuprofen to reduce the swelling.  Then a root canal.  I guess getting older implies this is just the beginning of future toothaches and future root canals.

I am not a happy camper at the moment.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
9:15 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 12:25:57 AM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:45 PM


Hey, what about your tooth?  I hope you're feeling better!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Texasmom

For the most part ... my toothache has settle down.  I am afraid if I eat anything ... it will start up again.  Lukewarm soup/tea is where it is at.  For one week ... I am on antibotics to get rid of any infection and Ibuprofen to reduce the swelling.  Then a root canal.  I guess getting older implies this is just the beginning of future toothaches and future root canals.

I am not a happy camper at the moment.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
9:15 PM PT

I'm so sorry Janet!  I know how you feel, believe me.  Last weekend when my face started swelling, I called the emergency line to the dentist.  The lady that called me back said that the antibiotic shot I'd received on Friday (for the sinus infection) should have knocked out any infection from a tooth problem, so it may be something more serious.  She told me to go get medical attention for it so hubby and I spent the afternoon Sunday in Direct Care...the doctor there (without an x-ray or anything) was sure it was a tooth and wanted to take a scapel and slice open inside my mouth...he said it was the ONLY way to get the infection out!  I told him unless I was going to die before morning, I wanted to wait and go see my dentist.  THANK THE LORD!  My dentist couldn't believe they'd told me that when I went to see him Monday afternoon.  He changed my antibiotic (I'd been given one Friday to take by mouth too) and pulled my tooth on Wednesday before he left to go out of town.  I just finished all of my antibiotic, and had no other problems.

I will NEVER go back to that Direct Care clinic!

I had a miserable few days so I'm keeping you in my prayers!

((((Hugs)))) 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 20, 2009, 12:26:08 AM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:45 PM


Hey, what about your tooth?  I hope you're feeling better!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Texasmom

For the most part ... my toothache has settle down.  I am afraid if I eat anything ... it will start up again.  Lukewarm soup/tea is where it is at.  For one week ... I am on antibotics to get rid of any infection and Ibuprofen to reduce the swelling.  Then a root canal.  I guess getting older implies this is just the beginning of future toothaches and future root canals.

I am not a happy camper at the moment.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
9:15 PM PT

Janet, nearly every tooth I have has a root canal and a crown.....except the front ones.
The Xray are a hoot.
It will not be so bad once the antibiotics start working.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 12:34:22 AM


Thanks for the transcript Magnolia!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2009, 12:37:54 AM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:45 PM


Hey, what about your tooth?  I hope you're feeling better!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Texasmom

For the most part ... my toothache has settle down.  I am afraid if I eat anything ... it will start up again.  Lukewarm soup/tea is where it is at.  For one week ... I am on antibotics to get rid of any infection and Ibuprofen to reduce the swelling.  Then a root canal.  I guess getting older implies this is just the beginning of future toothaches and future root canals.

I am not a happy camper at the moment.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
9:15 PM PT

I'm so sorry Janet!  I know how you feel, believe me.  Last weekend when my face started swelling, I called the emergency line to the dentist.  The lady that called me back said that the antibiotic shot I'd received on Friday (for the sinus infection) should have knocked out any infection from a tooth problem, so it may be something more serious.  She told me to go get medical attention for it so hubby and I spent the afternoon Sunday in Direct Care...the doctor there (without an x-ray or anything) was sure it was a tooth and wanted to take a scapel and slice open inside my mouth...he said it was the ONLY way to get the infection out!  I told him unless I was going to die before morning, I wanted to wait and go see my dentist.  THANK THE LORD!  My dentist couldn't believe they'd told me that when I went to see him Monday afternoon.  He changed my antibiotic (I'd been given one Friday to take by mouth too) and pulled my tooth on Wednesday before he left to go out of town.  I just finished all of my antibiotic, and had no other problems.

I will NEVER go back to that Direct Care clinic!

I had a miserable few days so I'm keeping you in my prayers!

((((Hugs)))) 
Is "Direct Care" one of those "Doc-In-The-Box" places??   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 12:39:20 AM

I wonder what Papito's advice is for those tourists who wake up in their hotel room with robbers in their bedrooms?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can tell you what mine is....DON'T EVER GO TO ARUBA !

If something happens to you, it's your fault...no matter what!

I HATE 'EM ALL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2009, 12:41:53 AM

I wonder what Papito's advice is for those tourists who wake up in their hotel room with robbers in their bedrooms?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can tell you what mine is....DON'T EVER GO TO ARUBA !

If something happens to you, it's your fault...no matter what!

I HATE 'EM ALL!


Hey Wreck..You need to pass the flames to TM cause she is FIRED UP..... ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 12:45:23 AM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:45 PM


Hey, what about your tooth?  I hope you're feeling better!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Texasmom

For the most part ... my toothache has settle down.  I am afraid if I eat anything ... it will start up again.  Lukewarm soup/tea is where it is at.  For one week ... I am on antibotics to get rid of any infection and Ibuprofen to reduce the swelling.  Then a root canal.  I guess getting older implies this is just the beginning of future toothaches and future root canals.

I am not a happy camper at the moment.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
9:15 PM PT

I'm so sorry Janet!  I know how you feel, believe me.  Last weekend when my face started swelling, I called the emergency line to the dentist.  The lady that called me back said that the antibiotic shot I'd received on Friday (for the sinus infection) should have knocked out any infection from a tooth problem, so it may be something more serious.  She told me to go get medical attention for it so hubby and I spent the afternoon Sunday in Direct Care...the doctor there (without an x-ray or anything) was sure it was a tooth and wanted to take a scapel and slice open inside my mouth...he said it was the ONLY way to get the infection out!  I told him unless I was going to die before morning, I wanted to wait and go see my dentist.  THANK THE LORD!  My dentist couldn't believe they'd told me that when I went to see him Monday afternoon.  He changed my antibiotic (I'd been given one Friday to take by mouth too) and pulled my tooth on Wednesday before he left to go out of town.  I just finished all of my antibiotic, and had no other problems.

I will NEVER go back to that Direct Care clinic!

I had a miserable few days so I'm keeping you in my prayers!

((((Hugs)))) 
Is "Direct Care" one of those "Doc-In-The-Box" places??   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I guess you could say that, they are sponsored by the local hospitals; and in the past have been great for weekend medical attention.  I hadn't been there in a couple years...and it's gone downhill for sure! 

One of my friends at work said they wanted to cut my mouth open so they could charge me for "surgery"!  That's about right, I'm sooooo glad I didn't let them do it.

I forgot the part about him saying they were going to "HOLD ME DOWN...and cut it open!"  I'd already been crying in pain in the waiting room, I couldn't even imagine letting them do what he was saying! 

He'd come in with the male nurse he brought to help him when I told him I wasn't going to let them do it!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2009, 12:47:55 AM
Reported by: Kimberly Rankin
Reported by: Cynthia Gould
Last Update: 4:40 pm 

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(CBS 42) Its graduation season, a time when teenagers and young adults head off for fun and sometimes wild vacations...  And whether they are staying here in the states or heading overseas, the safety rules are pretty much the same.

Long gone are the missing person posters and the yellow ribbons, but everywhere locals and tourists know her name and her story.

A lot people ask about Natalee Holloway.  Everybody comes here and you can't get away from thatit's terrible.

Terrible, yet something everyone we talked with in Aruba this week had learned from.

You want to talk to your kids more about it and prepare them for this type of thing.

Preparing them, according to police, has to begin with a good long talk.  What's acceptable, what are the limits, and simple rules...Are the police blaming Beth for not preparing Natalee?

The most important thing when you leave to go back to the hotel go back with the ones you came don't go with nobody you don't know, said Edwin Comenencia with the Aruba Police.
quick learners...those police...Did j2k teach them?

Comenencia says never ever get into a car with someone you just met.  And just like anywhere else, hide your valuables, don't carry a lot of cash and stay in busy, well-lit areas.
quick learners...those police...Did j2k teach them?

When you stay in a tourist area there is a lot of security and police walking the streets.
Not at C&C 30/31 May 2005

He also advises you to keep any spare keys at the hotel and program all police and hotel numbers into your cell phone.  And above all, Don't drink too much.  When you drink you are not the same person.
Another swipe at Natalee?

And if you are drinking, make sure you take your drink from a bartender or servers.  Another swipe at Natalee?
And have someone from your party watch your drink if you go to the bathroom to make sure no one puts anything in it.

And if there are adult chaperones be sure there is a clear understanding what their role will be and when you as a parent will be called. Cheap shot again! One adult group from New York says they take no chances at home or overseas.

All activities, we stay together.  Nobody is by themselves.  You can't even go to the restroom by yourself.  Its something we always did; now we make it a common practice.  We make sure no one goes off by themselves.

And while Aruba caught the international spotlight we could only find one other kidnapping here.  Daniel Ferrara's brother was taken by a Venezuelan gang in 1998 and held for ransom until his rescue.  Ferrara still calls his country safe.

You can walk around 3am.  Doesn't matter what day... May 30/31 2005?

True, but we must all remember Natalee must have felt very safe on her vacation, surrounded by friends and locals who appeared to be safe.

It was a very sad story...could happen to anybody anywhere.
Yes, someone may be kidnapped, raped and murdered in many places....but I'd like to believe the incredible cover up orchestrated by aruba police, OM, and dutch elites is not commonplace  in any other place.
AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT!...IT DOES!

Mags....I think it is yucky too... ::MonkeyNoNo::
WTF is CBS 42 doing? Is this suppose to question the way Natalee was disappeared or the cover up angle?
Almost sounds like a plug for poor aruba...
More comments in red above...Shame on CBS ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 20, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
That sounds like a nightmare TM, in fact I think I have had that nightmare.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2009, 12:50:08 AM
gonna kill the quote stack..... forgive me billb!

Texasmom:
Quote
He'd come in with the male nurse he brought to help him when I told him I wasn't going to let them do it!


When I was a kid, my dad always said he was going to tie a string to my tooth and the door knob --- and then slam the door!  ::MonkeyDevil:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2009, 12:53:39 AM
I'm hoping that in the end of this series on CBS42 that they have Beth on here to dispute those P.O.S. in Aruba....Still have the tapes from Tj Ward??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 12:56:05 AM


Hey Papito...How about doing your JOB and enforcing the laws!

JORAN VANDERSLOOT WAS UNDERAGE AND SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED IN THE EXCELSIOR CASINO OR CARLOS N CHARLIES.  HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE TO SLIP THE DRUG IN NATALEE'S DRINK...HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE TO TELL HER HE'D GIVE HER A RIDE BACK TO THE HOTEL, WHERE "THEY" WERE STAYING.  If Papito enforced the laws that don't EXIST for the privileged PIMPS JORAN WOULD HAVE NEVER MET NATALEE TO LIE TO HER AND TELL HER HE WAS A TOURIST TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Papito, HOW ABOUT KEEPING THE LOCAL PREDATORS OUT OF THE HOTELS and KEEP THE TOURISTS SAFE?

Hey Nel...how about that "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW" crap that you told Dave Holloway?
YOU BIG FAT BALDING LIAR!

I HATE 'EM ALL!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2009, 01:02:22 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2009, 01:04:30 AM


Hey Papito...How about doing your JOB and enforcing the laws!

JORAN VANDERSLOOT WAS UNDERAGE AND SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED IN THE EXCELSIOR CASINO OR CARLOS N CHARLIES.  HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE TO SLIP THE DRUG IN NATALEE'S DRINK...HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE TO TELL HER HE'D GIVE HER A RIDE BACK TO THE HOTEL, WHERE "THEY" WERE STAYING.  If Papito enforced the laws that don't EXIST for the privileged PIMPS JORAN WOULD HAVE NEVER MET NATALEE TO LIE TO HER AND TELL HER HE WAS A TOURIST TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Papito, HOW ABOUT KEEPING THE LOCAL PREDATORS OUT OF THE HOTELS and KEEP THE TOURISTS SAFE?

Hey Nel...how about that "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW" crap that you told Dave Holloway?
YOU BIG FAT BALDING LIAR!

I HATE 'EM ALL!   
Texasmom...You go girl! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I HATE THEM ALL TOO! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2009, 01:05:44 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:07:09 AM
That sounds like a nightmare TM, in fact I think I have had that nightmare.

It was Magnolia!  The only silver lining is the wonderful dentist that I have.  The day he pulled my tooth, he spent over an hour doing a little deadening at a time to make SURE he didn't hurt me.  I never felt a thing!  Not once!  I wanted to kiss him before I left....but I didn't....I just gave him a thumbs up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

The really special thing that happened was...when I was driving to the dentist Monday afternoon I was SCARED TO DEATH!  I thought about my friend Tina that passed away last year.  She's the one that referred me to my dentist when I'd had another horror story at another dentist.  Tina was always so brave and strong....I miss her so much!  I prayed that she would hold my hand so I wouldn't be afraid whatever they had to do...I still thought they MIGHT cut my mouth open.  When I got to the dentist and went to sign in the person that signed in before me HAD THE SAME NAME as Tina...first and last!  Only the Tina was spelled Tena!  I thought I was going to pass out at first when I saw it...but then I just smiled and knew that was her sign to me that she'd heard me and was there with me!  I was calm from there on...and all my dentist did was an xray...didn't hurt at all...and gave me the prescription and told me to be there Wednesday morning.

I promise that's the last O/T about my tooth!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:08:01 AM
gonna kill the quote stack..... forgive me billb!

Texasmom:
Quote
He'd come in with the male nurse he brought to help him when I told him I wasn't going to let them do it!


When I was a kid, my dad always said he was going to tie a string to my tooth and the door knob --- and then slam the door!  ::MonkeyDevil:: 

Hey, my sister tried that on me one time!  IT DOESN"T WORK!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2009, 01:09:20 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::

Paulus and Money Laundering.It's that simple for me..I was looking at a company called Enron..Heard of them?You should see how many subsidiary's they have in the Cayman Islands........It's outta this world.I can just imagine Aruba.If Paulus set those companies up for the Dutch Elite,as well as American companies looking for a Tax Haven..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2009, 01:10:36 AM
Be true to your teeth and they will never be false to you! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2009, 01:11:34 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::
I was willing to give the "innocent" Aruban locals the benefit of the doubt for a few years ---- not anymore. They have had 4 years to wake up and smell the cofee -- the same old same old is still in control of that island. The locals would rather bitch and moan than to get up off their asses and CORRECT things.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:11:55 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

No sympathy here either billb!  In case you couldn't tell.   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:14:02 AM
Be true to your teeth and they will never be false to you! ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2009, 01:14:50 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::

Paulus and Money Laundering.It's that simple for me..I was looking at a company called Enron..Heard of them?You should see how many subsidiary's they have in the Cayman Islands........It's outta this world.I can just imagine Aruba.If Paulus set those companies up for the Dutch Elite,as well as American companies looking for a Tax Haven..... ::MonkeyNoNo::
It's that simple for me too KTF....
Here's to Karma biting them alljavascript:void(0);


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:16:12 AM


Where's Hotping?  I've been back and forth so much in the newspapers...maybe I missed her.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2009, 01:20:06 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::

Paulus and Money Laundering.It's that simple for me..I was looking at a company called Enron..Heard of them?You should see how many subsidiary's they have in the Cayman Islands........It's outta this world.I can just imagine Aruba.If Paulus set those companies up for the Dutch Elite,as well as American companies looking for a Tax Haven..... ::MonkeyNoNo::
It's that simple for me too KTF....
Here's to Karma biting them alljavascript:void(0);

Think about..Of all the places in the world for Joran to go....THAILAND...DOES DADDY KNOW HIS WAY AROUND THAILAND???? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2009, 01:21:32 AM


Where's Hotping?  I've been back and forth so much in the newspapers...maybe I missed her.


She was here this morning asking about Janet's toothache, among other things......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:23:53 AM


Hey Papito, did you make sure they got ALL the old (some from 2000 or OLDER) outdated food off the grocery store shelves that they've been selling in the local grocery stores?  How much of that do you think unsuspecting tourists had already paid their hard earned money for?

I think I need to dig out those articles and post THEM too! 

 ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2009, 01:24:02 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::

Paulus and Money Laundering.It's that simple for me..I was looking at a company called Enron..Heard of them?You should see how many subsidiary's they have in the Cayman Islands........It's outta this world.I can just imagine Aruba.If Paulus set those companies up for the Dutch Elite,as well as American companies looking for a Tax Haven..... ::MonkeyNoNo::
It's that simple for me too KTF....
Here's to Karma biting them alljavascript:void(0);

Think about..Of all the places in the world for Joran to go....THAILAND...DOES DADDY KNOW HIS WAY AROUND THAILAND???? ::MonkeyShocked::
Thailand is a safe haven for human trafficking......urine's DADDY KNOWS Thailand.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:24:49 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::
I was willing to give the "innocent" Aruban locals the benefit of the doubt for a few years ---- not anymore. They have had 4 years to wake up and smell the coffee -- the same old same old is still in control of that island. The locals would rather bitch and moan than to get up off their asses and CORRECT things.

I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 20, 2009, 01:27:06 AM
Good night billb, texasmom, Cageman, Keepthefaith, klaasend, iris44, SurfCity and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2009, 01:27:47 AM
Good night billb, texasmom, Cageman, Keepthefaith, klaasend, iris44, SurfCity and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....

jUST AROUND THE bEND...... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: iris44 on May 20, 2009, 01:27:52 AM
Bastibro & Can - a little meet and greet is all good and well if all a person does is show interest in one case.  Can you magine each one of our forums on the different cases having a "meet and greet?  LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that anytime someone joins a missing persons thread nearly 4 years after she went missing it opens them up to suspicions.  Especially in this case.



I think you are underestimating how many people watched every detail of the case unfold on Greta, and all the other news shows, right from the beginning.  The ratings must have been great, or they never would have covered it for so long.  That would be thousands of people, and most don't even know that SM exists.  I also didn't even know SM existed until I did a google search a couple years into the case.  I read for a long time and only asked for membership when I was locked out of the site (I guess because of high traffic, there were some times I couldn't access the site; it said only members could access it).  I didn't join to post; just to read, because I was interested in the case.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2009, 01:32:59 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::
I was willing to give the "innocent" Aruban locals the benefit of the doubt for a few years ---- not anymore. They have had 4 years to wake up and smell the coffee -- the same old same old is still in control of that island. The locals would rather bitch and moan than to get up off their asses and CORRECT things.

I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt023


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2009, 01:34:23 AM
As far as I'm concerned, I have NO Sympathy for aruba......
the subculture has preyed on American tourism since they turned the island into a tourist attraction to leverage off the illegal activities...money laundering, drug trafficking, human trafficking...
NO sympathy aruba...Suck on THAT...

The foundation of the Economy for Aruba...DRUGS,MONEY LAUNDERING,HUMAN TRAFFICKING........YOU GET A 10 TONIGHT BILLB.... ::MonkeyCool::
I was willing to give the "innocent" Aruban locals the benefit of the doubt for a few years ---- not anymore. They have had 4 years to wake up and smell the coffee -- the same old same old is still in control of that island. The locals would rather bitch and moan than to get up off their asses and CORRECT things.

I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt023

Don't forget them cigarettes Edward...And where that money goes!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:35:22 AM
Good night billb, texasmom, Cageman, Keepthefaith, klaasend, iris44, SurfCity and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....

Good Night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:39:20 AM
Bastibro & Can - a little meet and greet is all good and well if all a person does is show interest in one case.  Can you magine each one of our forums on the different cases having a "meet and greet?  LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that anytime someone joins a missing persons thread nearly 4 years after she went missing it opens them up to suspicions.  Especially in this case.



I think you are underestimating how many people watched every detail of the case unfold on Greta, and all the other news shows, right from the beginning.  The ratings must have been great, or they never would have covered it for so long.  That would be thousands of people, and most don't even know that SM exists.  I also didn't even know SM existed until I did a google search a couple years into the case.  I read for a long time and only asked for membership when I was locked out of the site (I guess because of high traffic, there were some times I couldn't access the site; it said only members could access it).  I didn't join to post; just to read, because I was interested in the case.   

If they'd watched every detail so closely from "the beginning" and were genuinely interested in finding more information on the internet; it wouldn't have taken them four years to find their way here.  That's how I found my way here very early in the case. 

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 20, 2009, 01:52:16 AM
Bastibro & Can - a little meet and greet is all good and well if all a person does is show interest in one case.  Can you magine each one of our forums on the different cases having a "meet and greet?  LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that anytime someone joins a missing persons thread nearly 4 years after she went missing it opens them up to suspicions.  Especially in this case.



I think you are underestimating how many people watched every detail of the case unfold on Greta, and all the other news shows, right from the beginning.  The ratings must have been great, or they never would have covered it for so long.  That would be thousands of people, and most don't even know that SM exists.  I also didn't even know SM existed until I did a google search a couple years into the case.  I read for a long time and only asked for membership when I was locked out of the site (I guess because of high traffic, there were some times I couldn't access the site; it said only members could access it).  I didn't join to post; just to read, because I was interested in the case.   

If they'd watched every detail so closely from "the beginning" and were genuinely interested in finding more information on the internet; it wouldn't have taken them four years to find their way here.  That's how I found my way here very early in the case. 

JMO
Year 1 -- RWV and Scared Monkeys wer just about it. Since then Scared Monkeys waaaaaay bigger than anywhere else about Natalee. No way you don't "discover" SM until recently.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 20, 2009, 01:55:01 AM
                                    JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                        GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                                 KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:58:41 AM
                                    JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                        GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                                 KEEPTHEFAITH


Good Night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 01:59:25 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56807.php


Google translation:

Armed robbery at Bugaloe
May 19, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)

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Bugaloe beach in the night from Sunday to Monday by two armed men robbed.

ORANGE CITY - Two masked robbers in the night from Sunday to Monday in the tourist beach Bugaloe Palm Beach robbery. Under threat of a firearm had employees the contents of cash and safe disposal. The perpetrators are still on the run. Bugaloe owner Ingrid Riko is shocked by the incident. "You expected something not. The fear is good at it. "

After most guests had left after closing time, two men came just before midnight armed with a pistol and a small machete and faces covered with a forage cap, from the direction of the beach for the Westin hotel aangelopen. The robbers have a member of the security threat. It had to guard his wallet and portable surrender so that he could rely on no help.

Gun to head
Then, the perpetrators of the pier and have been the manager and staff under threat of a gun forced into the office and the vault to open. It was the weapon at the head of the manager put. The remaining guests fled to the Radisson hotel and the security have been informed. The robbers went away with a significant amount. But it was definitely not 50,000 dollars, as in other media reported, according to Riko.
Victim Yesterday the staff of the beach collected to help process this traumatic event. Friends and colleagues of the victims yesterday were met by Bugaloe for their support and sympathy to express. "This gives us a good feeling," said Riko.

Crime increased
However she notes that everyone, both guests and staff as colleagues from other catering business, the fear is well inside. Many of them are concerned about the increased crime 'in North. "The police should be more prominent and surveillance. Especially around closing time, "says the manager of a nearby catering business. "We are also in discussion with the police to make our concerns known and to hear what the police do to reduce feelings of insecurity."


The whole incident was recorded on security cameras. The Balaclava identification of the perpetrators is not easy. The perpetrators spoke both English and Dutch and Papiamento. In the vicinity of the pier was later found a piece of clothing that may belong to one of the perpetrators. The robbery of the police team was on site and has opened an investigation. Of the perpetrators is lacking so far each. "I really want them caught," says owner Riko angry. "This is too crazy for words!"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: IBE on May 20, 2009, 01:59:35 AM
HI

toothache info that I have used on musings thread


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:04:58 AM
Are we surprised?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56806.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Croes denies interference Curaao referendum

May 19, 2009, 16:36 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Justice Minister Rudy Croes denies that he vote for the referendum on the island wanted to influence. He says the reaction of the Antillean Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage also disappointing to find. "They had better know. It is low to the ground for me to compare with Wilders and Brinkman. "

Croes says he has no vote. "I have just said that not only is yes or no vote, but also pride and integrity. And that money is not always happy. "He finds it strange that words are only as high as well. "Premier Oduber has more or less own the live broadcast for Curaao said. And Dutch politicians have said about the referendum. Moreover, mixing Prime Minister Balkenende and State Secretary Bijleveld directly in issues on the island. Why can I not say? It is still all of us in the Kingdom. "

The minister says that he Antillean States President Pedro Atacho 'not otherwise have expected "that they had as sharp on it. But the reaction of the Antillean Prime Minister came hard. "We, my family, know each other very well." Croes believes that they also should have known better, because when Aruba was for Status Aparte, Curacao has substantially pure in the fight. "It was against the Status Aparte and then voted Aruba with its own flag came that Curaao was dismissed as a flag covered one of their football clubs."

The Aruban political party PDR is in any case that Croes too far gone. "It is very irresponsible as an Aruban citizen directly interfere with an issue that just the Curaao community is concerned. Even worse is if this is done by a politician. That the Minister of Justice Curacao campaign against the government is the ultimate. "The party believes that Croes should have known that the self-determination of a people" something holy "is. Also Willem Vrolijk and Jaqueline Harewood political party MPA have this morning during a press involvement Croes condemned.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:05:32 AM
HI

toothache info that I have used on musings thread

Hi IBE!  Thanks!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:15:48 AM
Will there be ANY responsible security monitoring of the usage?   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56805.php

Aruba

Wireless internet in schools

May 19, 2009, 16:35 (GMT -04:00)
 
Colegio Arubano yesterday as the first school a wireless connection received Setar.

ORANGE CITY - telecom Setar submit free wireless (WiFi) networks to schools. The use must be paid. Yesterday was the first network Colegio Arubano festive Setar introduced by director Roland Croes. Even Education Minister Marisol Lopez-Tromp (MEP) was there and tried the network.

Other schools that will soon be connected are La Salle College and Colegio EPI. Schools Abraham de Veer and Scole Scucha Nos are probably the following schools on the network can.

Students and teachers who want to use the network to complement their existing DSL subscription required. It is also possible to use so-called prepaid card access. These cards are available at the participating schools and Setar Tele Shops.

Anyone with a wireless addition to the DSL Internet connection, may include use of the existing hotspots, also known as hotspots student in the schools also use. Special Wi-Fi Student Prepaid cards can only be used on the hotspots of the schools.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 20, 2009, 02:16:28 AM
Hi Monkeys! ( off topic real quick )
Thank you all for your warm welcome! Bluemoon, I hope I didn't post too much info...now I'm nervous. I do remember reading about those people stalking Kermit and some others...I wasn't thinking about that when I wrote my whole biography for you all.
I know this post is off topic, and I won't continue to post off topic things, but just posted my info so you all would know who I am and why I'm here. I guess it doesn't matter that much, because as we've all seen, there are some GREAT liars out there and for all you know, I'm a 500 lb he/she!! lol
I read alot, but don't post much, and when I do, I have a bad habit of posting and then getting distracted for hours and forget to check back for replys or questions, so if there are any questions anyone has for me ever, if I don't post back right away it's because I've probably walked away from my computer, trying to keep up with my four year old.

Thanks again for the warm welcome, and I'm glad you've made me a part of your community Klaasend! Thank you! Goodnight Everyone! God bless Natalee Holloway, and I although I don't "preach" about religion, I AM a firm believer in the bible and that ALL THAT IS DONE IN DARKNESS WILL BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT. It may not be right now, or even a year from now, but eventually the WHOLE truth will come out, every little detail will be revealed.

AMEN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:19:02 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56804.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Budget Fund

May 19, 2009, 16:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The parliament yesterday a budget fund of 250 million florin on proposals from the government. The money comes from the proceeds of the Plant Hotel to the Netherlands and Aruba after years of steggelen last September came to an agreement.

Half of the money used to pay off debts. As previously reported is 80 million florin to the pension fund officials, hosted by Apfa. Debts to the Netherlands it is repaid. The remainder, about 125 million florin, investment in education (21 million) and infrastructure (7 million) and the cardiac center in San Nicolas.

Concrete will be spent on projects for housing of elderly and sports facilities in different districts.
Opposition parties voted against AVP and RED. AVP would have liked the money in the Development Fund Desaroyo San Nicolas would be paid.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:24:33 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56803.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Delegation AVP in the Netherlands

May 19, 2009, 16:33 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - AVP-Mike Eman is the list along with a delegation of his party moved to the Netherlands to campaign for the candidacy of Mito Croes in the European elections. In addition, discussions are also planned with European and Dutch ministers, MEPs and businesses, including KLM.

The party says to a working relationship with Europe that want more focus on added value for both sides. "We must create a situation where the European Community has an interest in the property with Aruba," said Eman. In the view of the AVP Aruba should ultimately become an advanced post for Europe to Latin America and the U.S.. Eman: "Our approach is that Aruba to highly skilled people, quality service and a superior infrastructure, of great value for the Netherlands, the European Community and companies from those regions.

KLM
Also, he sees possibilities in the field of tourism. "In comparison with the U.S. market, the market for Aruba always remained underdeveloped. That while an island of Curaao as the flow of tourists from this market with more than 10 percent per year will grow. Aruba is a beautiful destination where more European tourism businesses can do good things. "

The fact that the list regrets airline KLM's flights to the island has ceased. The party sees the airline is still a full partner for tourism on the island, mainly from Europe. AVP is also a table with other European companies. "In our alternative budget 2009, the ASF has already indicated that we are the gaps in our schools, health care and our roads to address the restoration of our inner cities and bario programs. Therefore we have created space in the budget. However, these resources are sufficient to meet the backlog. Then the whole to a much higher level, more resources and expertise needed. Just because I want our partners in Europe to talk. "

If co-operation, says Eman finally, to the quality of the Aruban products and services increase, then Europe later fruits.


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Post by: Cageman on May 20, 2009, 02:24:49 AM
http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

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Papiamentu/Google Spanish Translation:

minister is stra ahata cu owing to send local release

tuesday, 19 may 2009 - 16:46

eddie Briesen cabinet minister according eman owing to drive more of 18 miyon in tourism. Oduber cabinet is and have spent about 54 of miyon guilder. ahata now owing to cuminza as close door meetings and government do not achieve opportunity for enter in they. ask government is about is if his self is the only responsible for thirteen tourist. of attention is at the minister cu cu have some problem as hotel westin The.. come across


thirteen tourist!   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::


No, no, not thirteen! "pa trece turista" means "for getting tourists"!
The translation should be:
The government is asking it self if she/he is the only one to be responsible for getting tourists.

Thirteen = dis tres
(thirty = trinta)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:29:01 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56790.php

Google translation:

Antilles

Satisfied with assistance for Curaao

May 19, 2009, 15:49 (GMT -04:00)

Philipsburg - The Public Ministry is' very happy 'about the assistance it receives from Curaao investigators, but must await the evaluation before deciding whether they can continue.

Investigators from Curacao and the Research Cooperation Team (RST) came in January to St. Maarten as part of a 'clean campaign'. The investigators helped to solve crimes and fifteen agents, the police of St. Maarten in exercising control and crime prevention.

Chief Public Prosecutor Taco Stein said that the values for the assistance. The authorities in St. Maarten and Curacao after the trial period will determine whether they continue to be deployed. "We are very satisfied," said Stein. "We would like them, but that is on the evaluation."
Stein said that the police may not be available for the long term. "We must see whether that is feasible," says Stein.

Since January, more than 25 people arrested in suspected homicide.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:30:43 AM
http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

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Papiamentu/Google Spanish Translation:

minister is stra ahata cu owing to send local release

tuesday, 19 may 2009 - 16:46

eddie Briesen cabinet minister according eman owing to drive more of 18 miyon in tourism. Oduber cabinet is and have spent about 54 of miyon guilder. ahata now owing to cuminza as close door meetings and government do not achieve opportunity for enter in they. ask government is about is if his self is the only responsible for thirteen tourist. of attention is at the minister cu cu have some problem as hotel westin The.. come across


thirteen tourist!   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::


No, no, not thirteen! "pa trece turista" means "for getting tourists"!
The translation should be:
The government is asking it self if she/he is the only one to be responsible for getting tourists.

Thirteen = dis tres
(thirty = trinta)

Thanks Cageman!  I knew that couldn't be correct, but found it humorous none the less!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:39:04 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Red on May 20, 2009, 09:02:50 AM
Central Bank of Aruba Says Aruba in Further Economic Decline Aruba Haunted by Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/20/central-bank-of-aruba-says-aruba-in-further-economic-decline-aruba-haunted-by-natalee-holloway/

Quote
Those in Aruba claim that the black cloud that surrounded the aftermath of the botched, incompetent and corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation has lifted. That it is safe to travel to Aruba. Really? Make no mistake about it potential tourists to Aruba, they can claim it is safe; however, when the time came to properly investigate a crime committed against a tourist, they did not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 20, 2009, 09:08:48 AM
Thanks, Red.  Good article. 

And yes, the bottom line is revenue generated because otherwise Aruba can continue to give away accommodation just to keep their rooms full and claim a higher occupancy rate than the true picture would present.


And Good Morning, All!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 20, 2009, 10:01:46 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 20, 2009, 10:10:39 AM
Good Morning Jen!

Good Morning Anna...Long time no see...I Hope All is Well with You!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 20, 2009, 10:15:14 AM
Good Morning...Starr, cajun miracle, ksupon, Magnolia,and 6 Guests...I hope Everyone has a Great Day....I'll BBL!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 20, 2009, 10:16:13 AM
Central Bank of Aruba Says Aruba in Further Economic Decline Aruba Haunted by Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/20/central-bank-of-aruba-says-aruba-in-further-economic-decline-aruba-haunted-by-natalee-holloway/

Quote
Those in Aruba claim that the black cloud that surrounded the aftermath of the botched, incompetent and corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation has lifted. That it is safe to travel to Aruba. Really? Make no mistake about it potential tourists to Aruba, they can claim it is safe; however, when the time came to properly investigate a crime committed against a tourist, they did not.
Thank You Red.....Great Article!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2009, 10:22:35 AM
Central Bank of Aruba Says Aruba in Further Economic Decline Aruba Haunted by Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/20/central-bank-of-aruba-says-aruba-in-further-economic-decline-aruba-haunted-by-natalee-holloway/

Quote
Those in Aruba claim that the black cloud that surrounded the aftermath of the botched, incompetent and corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation has lifted. That it is safe to travel to Aruba. Really? Make no mistake about it potential tourists to Aruba, they can claim it is safe; however, when the time came to properly investigate a crime committed against a tourist, they did not.


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 209/210:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bradysmom on May 20, 2009, 02:25:41 PM
Hi Monkeys!
Janet, your last post just proved my point to a friend of ours  ::MonkeyDance::. The other night, we had dinner guests and got on the topic of Natalee because our guests are planning a trip to Aruba. They have heard of Natalee's case, of course, but don't ( well, DIDN'T, lol!! ) know much about the case except for the basics. Their main argument was that crime happens everywhere, and why attack Aruba for something that happens all over the world on a regular basis? I had already consumed 2 glasses of wine, and I never drink, lol, so I was having trouble putting my argument into words. Then I signed on and read your post and the excerpt from Beth's book, and there was my argument!! lol
My whole point was that YES, bad stuff DOES happen everywhere. BUT, the corrupt investigations, destroying and altering of witness statements/evidence, cover-ups, etc DOES NOT happen everywhere. In the USA, ( and I'm sure most other countries, but I can only speak for our laws) this case would have been prosecuted and over and done with. In most countries, corrupt police and higher officials are the EXCEPTION, NOT the RULE. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:37:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56878.php

Google translation:


Minister of Tourism to get Ahata

May 20, 2009, 15:30 (GMT -04:00)

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Edison snort Minister during his press conference yesterday afternoon in which he also responded to the new report Ahata.

Oranjestad - Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (Ahata), its business back in order. It said Tourism Minister Edison breeze of yesterday afternoon during a press conference. The Minister has no good word about the latest report of Ahata where more active involvement of government and more money for marketing and advertising calls. In addition, the prices charged by the hotels are handled out of time and the relationship between the hotel association and his ministry last time bekoeld.

Snort wonders how it is pointless to even more money to pump into marketing. "This year, the government invested 50 million florin in marketing and advertising," said the minister. "The figures show that the government Eman in his reign never more than 18 million florin has invested." Snort asked during the press conference aloud or just the government that the hotels have filled with tourists. The minister was the main Ahata have to choose to ensure the marketing of the hotels. Snort stated that he no wishes to claim a part of the budgetary fund, after the large investment in the first quarter. "I voted against my colleague Minister Nilo Swaen said that I might back him will correct when BBO-money from the refinery later this year comes."

Closed doors
The relationship between his ministry and Ahata is not what it was, says breeze. "I do not know quite which direction they are currently immersed. We always have an open door policy with them but the last time they many meetings behind closed doors where we do not at present may be. We always act it out, and our budget is public and can be watched by everyone. "

The Minister of Tourism also manifest errors in the last report of Ahata. This report is based on a situation at five major hotels, but the conditions for each hotel are not clear, according breeze. "Each hotel has a personal situation. Some time shares, others not. In addition Radisson struggling for three years with a problem and the economic crisis, the problem only made worse. The problems that now the hand by Westin are a direct result of the economic crisis. When this so-called brand hotels in the spotlight, then you should also look at how these hotels are run. I also regret that where such reports Ahata be made by certain people from the commercial sector, then the report is that Aruba in the first quarter florin 100 million lost to gross national product. While the Central Bureau of Statistics and Department of Finance say that now number between 54 and 56 million florin lies. "

Value for money
Snort also notes that when making comparisons also looked to be exactly who the competitors are in the region. "Why do not the numbers of Puerto Rico, Bahamas, Barbados and the U.S. Virgin Islands in addition to those of Aruba. I therefore regret that Ahata not complete figures comes out, "said Minister breeze, which also considers that the hotels are not flexible enough to act to help cope with the current market. "The tourists now look mainly to prices and whether they have enough value for their money. Some competitors with different actions, as has Barbados even guarantee good weather. Is there a rainy day during your vacation, then you get some money back. In Aruba, we are on our prices and we are pleased that we can maintain these prices. But when occupancy is down you should not sit still, but action. "

Next Wednesday is a meeting planned between the Ministry of Tourism and Ahata in the building of the Central Bank.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bradysmom on May 20, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
I recently ( within the last 24 hours ) read a post either here or at BFN ( I'm sorry, I can't remember which or who posted it ) where someone suggested that some of us from each state/country have bumper stickers made with a phrase about Natalee Holloway, just as another way to keep this case in the public eye. For instance, Justice For Natalee Holloway. I think this is such a great idea! Just one more way to let Aruba know that we aren't going anywhere, and to keep the public interested in this case. I know for many people funds are limited, and I would be willing to pay for some bumper stickers to get printed out and mailed to a bunch of Monkeys and BFN'ers. Is anyone willing to help me?
Since there is NO WAY that I am willing to share my address on a public forum on the internet, I am assuming most of you will feel the same way. BUT...If someone trustworthy and well-known here is willing to get a PO box ( like Klaas or Janet or someone we know is legitimate ), then we could mail them to that person, and whoever wants one could private-message the designated person their address and the designated person could mail them out. Am I making sense? I'd be willing to pay towards some of it, so people could get a free bumper sticker in the mail.
Many of you Monkeys are great researchers and enjoy doing research...I do not enjoy that aspect of this case as much as I enjoy trying to think of ways to keep the public interested in this case, and to keep the pressure on Aruba. We all have our strong points, and I want to do everything that I can think of to do my part in finding justice for Natalee Holloway. Although bumper stickers won't solve the case, lol, they will help keep it public.
To whoever came up with this idea, I am going to re-read some threads tonight here and at BFN to try to find the poster who came up with this idea and I will post a link if I can find it. I am not trying to steal anyone's idea or thunder and will gladly give credit to the person who is the brains behind this really cool idea. If anyone else knows who posted that, please let me know!
Have a great afternoon Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56877.php

Google translation:

Bijleveld: Aruba concerns me

May 20, 2009, 15:27 (GMT -04:00)

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DEN HAAG - State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Kingdom (CDA) believes that further research is needed to the state of governance and the rule of law in Aruba. "I am with you concerned about Aruba." That woman said the government Tuesday to members of the Senate during a debate on the progress of the political process in the Antilles.

At the request of the Lower House has Bijleveld recent months to look at the state of governance and the rule of law in Aruba. That was following a week of the Dutch Representation in the public had come. Next week they will send a reference to the Court. "Ahead then I can say that a number of signals to me concern," said the undersecretary.

Bijleveld is therefore with the government of Aruba about further research. That would be up to the State is a scientific study should be, as the Scientific Research and Documentation Center on St. Maarten did previously. "The signs are worrying and we can not get anything over the table."
Also on the outcome of that review, the Secretary bleak. "I think it quite conceivable that after that investigation Aruba talks about joining consensus-rich laws. I would very critical and serious look at you because I am worried. "

Bijleveld hopes that research like that in St. Maarten three years. "But you are a half away."
In particular, the VVD and the PvdA expressed during the debate in the Senate raised concerns about the state of governance in Aruba. This finds its origin in a journey which the leaders were early this year. They told several times to be approached by Aruban citizens from all walks of life that concerns about corruption, harassment and mismanagement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:42:26 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56876.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Netherlands Court finds Plant-deal unclear

May 20, 2009, 15:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The General Court of the Netherlands, the agreement between the Netherlands and Aruba over the assets of Plant Hotel unclear. There are conditions in the agreement, but if Aruba did not comply, then the money by the Netherlands not to recover, said the Court.

The conditions on September 29 last year a Memorandum of Understanding are committed to the spending of the amount of 108.8 million euros. Aruba should only consider investment and debt.

The Court considers that in the absence of definitions' investment 'and' debt 'and deadlines within which the use of money must occur. And there is nothing about a recovery is defined as Aruba this agreement fails.

The body recommends Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) then the events in the future "clear and verifiable" to fix. The Secretary and the Minister of Interior Affairs and Kingdom have responded, as evidenced by the 2008 Annual Report to the Kingdom. The ministers are deliberately not chosen for recovery. This "because it is primarily not about aid, but the settlement of a matter in which both parties feel a right to have."

The Minister and Secretary of State indicated that it was agreed that Aruba on the Use of Plant-money half yearly financial report to the Government Ministers.

The epilogue of the Court show that the supervisory response of ministers is not satisfactory. "We regret that the Minister is not on our recommendation goes to follow similar agreements to be careful."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56875.php

Google translation:

Aruba

More bad things: Monitoring European election post

May 20, 2009, 15:21 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The rumors that members of AVP not only go to voters, but also help fill the ballots are still stubborn. According to Menno Bart of the Dutch Representation in Aruba (VNO), there is now no way to ensure a fair conduct of the voting process until the sealed return envelope for their services.

"The most important thing people should know is that polling is a letter VNO. We focus only on the receipt and review of voting evidence letter. It is not important how the process it is. Political parties have every right to their vote to give. "However, Bart on the fact that the signatures on the letter voting securities are compared with those on the registration forms that were completed a few weeks back. Letter Voting securities in which the signatures do not match will be declared invalid and are discarded. The stack of letter shelved voting evidence is ultimately sent to The Hague for investigation. "In principle we are not more than one channel," said Menno Bart.

The VNO spokesman is the largest amount of ballots already in post and are currently distributed. It is still a matter of patience. "I've heard on the radio that all ballots in the 25th on their address would be, but that message does not come from us." The first completed ballots begin by Bart already inside to drip slowly. Exact figures, he is not. "That we not." An error at the printer, a large number of ballots in sealed envelopes. According to Bart, the municipality of Den Haag acknowledged the error and there are new rules for the return of postal voting evidence. "There are two envelopes, a white envelope and a yellow return envelope. Normal is the intention that the letter proof vote in the white envelope is made and again the orange return envelope. Now it is possible to form it folded or in a separate envelope, torn open or in the white envelope in the orange envelope with your return. "




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:47:14 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56871.php

Aruba

The Cuba murder postponed

May 20, 2009, 15:16 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The murder case against Eric de Cuba has been done to June 19 at half past eight morning. This, the court decided on the request of the Public Ministry. Cuba is the one suspected of D. several times with scissors stabbed them. The OM has a shirt to a Dutch laboratory for research and would have received notice that the fingerprints were found on Cuba the garment. The official report has not yet arrived. For this reason, the postponement requested and obtained by the OM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 02:53:38 PM
Hi Monkeys!
Janet, your last post just proved my point to a friend of ours  ::MonkeyDance::. The other night, we had dinner guests and got on the topic of Natalee because our guests are planning a trip to Aruba. They have heard of Natalee's case, of course, but don't ( well, DIDN'T, lol!! ) know much about the case except for the basics. Their main argument was that crime happens everywhere, and why attack Aruba for something that happens all over the world on a regular basis? I had already consumed 2 glasses of wine, and I never drink, lol, so I was having trouble putting my argument into words. Then I signed on and read your post and the excerpt from Beth's book, and there was my argument!! lol
My whole point was that YES, bad stuff DOES happen everywhere. BUT, the corrupt investigations, destroying and altering of witness statements/evidence, cover-ups, etc DOES NOT happen everywhere. In the USA, ( and I'm sure most other countries, but I can only speak for our laws) this case would have been prosecuted and over and done with. In most countries, corrupt police and higher officials are the EXCEPTION, NOT the RULE. JMO



 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: caesu on May 20, 2009, 03:58:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56877.php

Google translation:

Bijleveld: Aruba concerns me

May 20, 2009, 15:27 (GMT -04:00)

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DEN HAAG - State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Kingdom (CDA) believes that further research is needed to the state of governance and the rule of law in Aruba. "I am with you concerned about Aruba." That woman said the government Tuesday to members of the Senate during a debate on the progress of the political process in the Antilles.

At the request of the Lower House has Bijleveld recent months to look at the state of governance and the rule of law in Aruba. That was following a week of the Dutch Representation in the public had come. Next week they will send a reference to the Court. "Ahead then I can say that a number of signals to me concern," said the undersecretary.

Bijleveld is therefore with the government of Aruba about further research. That would be up to the State is a scientific study should be, as the Scientific Research and Documentation Center on St. Maarten did previously. "The signs are worrying and we can not get anything over the table."
Also on the outcome of that review, the Secretary bleak. "I think it quite conceivable that after that investigation Aruba talks about joining consensus-rich laws. I would very critical and serious look at you because I am worried. "


Bijleveld hopes that research like that in St. Maarten three years. "But you are a half away."
In particular, the VVD and the PvdA expressed during the debate in the Senate raised concerns about the state of governance in Aruba. This finds its origin in a journey which the leaders were early this year. They told several times to be approached by Aruban citizens from all walks of life that concerns about corruption, harassment and mismanagement.

interesting  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2009, 03:59:55 PM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:45 PM


Hey, what about your tooth?  I hope you're feeling better!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!


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Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Texasmom

For the most part ... my toothache has settle down.  I am afraid if I eat anything ... it will start up again.  Lukewarm soup/tea is where it is at.  For one week ... I am on antibotics to get rid of any infection and Ibuprofen to reduce the swelling.  Then a root canal.  I guess getting older implies this is just the beginning of future toothaches and future root canals.

I am not a happy camper at the moment.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
9:15 PM PT

I'm so sorry Janet!  I know how you feel, believe me.  Last weekend when my face started swelling, I called the emergency line to the dentist.  The lady that called me back said that the antibiotic shot I'd received on Friday (for the sinus infection) should have knocked out any infection from a tooth problem, so it may be something more serious.  She told me to go get medical attention for it so hubby and I spent the afternoon Sunday in Direct Care...the doctor there (without an x-ray or anything) was sure it was a tooth and wanted to take a scapel and slice open inside my mouth...he said it was the ONLY way to get the infection out!  I told him unless I was going to die before morning, I wanted to wait and go see my dentist.  THANK THE LORD!  My dentist couldn't believe they'd told me that when I went to see him Monday afternoon.  He changed my antibiotic (I'd been given one Friday to take by mouth too) and pulled my tooth on Wednesday before he left to go out of town.  I just finished all of my antibiotic, and had no other problems.

I will NEVER go back to that Direct Care clinic!

I had a miserable few days so I'm keeping you in my prayers!

((((Hugs)))) 

texasmom

On top of the sinus infection and toothache ... you really had a horrific experience.  I am thankful that everything turned out fine.  It is unfortunate that you had to lose the tooth.

Using a needle that was painless in comparison to the toothache ... my dentist did drain some infection and ... stated that antibiotics should do the rest of the job.  I do feel that everything is settling down but ... there is still a nagging dull ache coming from that area.

My hubby's sister is encouraging me to keep rinsing my mouth with aloe vera.  It is a yukky feeling swishing that jelly substance in my mouth.  SIL recommended 10 minutes ... three times a day.  I am also putting aloe vera directly on the gums and tooth at night time.

This too will pass.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2009, 04:17:31 PM
Incidences which encompassed unsuspecting girls who were drugged and sexually assaulted have occurred on the Island of Aruba and were reported.  Incidences not only occured prior to the Natalee Holloway disappearance but ... suspicions were directed at Joran van der Sloot ... the son of Paulus van der Sloot ... as well as his friends ... commonly known on Aruba as the "pimp" gang..

The difference with the Natalee Holloway case ... Aruba was unable to cover up ... make it all go away.  Aruba was met with a challenge.  Aruba was met with media attention.  Aruba did not anticipate Beth Holloway.  Aruba did not anticipate the determination of a mother who was on a quest for answers.  Aruba did not anticipate a voice that refused to be silent ... a voice that will not be silent for at least 36 more years.
_______
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DAVE HOLLOWAY
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On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

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DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

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A VOICE THAT WILL NOT BE SILENCED
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BETH HOLLOWAY
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'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I dont care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I wantyou need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

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'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005
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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

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On the Record w / Greta - August 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  I met him in his office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is. And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166524,00.html

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'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - September 15, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAYS MOTHER: We will keep going back to Aruba over and over again. This is far from over. They knowthey have the answers there on the island.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/

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'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - September 15, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAYS MOTHER:  I think its just the side that, you know, II will stop at nothing to get answers. There is nothing that I wont do. Theres nowhere that I wont go, and theres nothingIm going to ask every question. I dont care how painful it is. I will do it, because Im not going to have any regrets.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/

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CNN - September 5, 2005

For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/04/aruba.missing.teen/index.html

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'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2009, 04:21:29 PM
I honestly do not believe that the death of Natalee Holloway was intended.  I suspect that the unintended death occurred during the course of planned wrongdoing against Natalee's person by Joran van der Sloot and others ... planned wrongdoing for which there had never been any legal accountability in the past.

Hey ... there was even photos of past wrongdoing which involved Joran but ... Aruban justice for the victim was not forthcoming.

No accountability implies other "Natalees" are at risk by those who believe the legal boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to them.
________

SUSPICIONS - PREVIOUS SEXUAL ASSAULT?

Aruban Attorney - FOX News - September 01, 2005


The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html

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Aruban Attorney - At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA , FAMILY'S ARUBAN ATTORNEY: The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Jorans best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested.  The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

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'Scarborough Country' - August 26, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Yes. But I just cant get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, DIARIO:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.  What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now hes arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecutions statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what theyre in for with these predators around.

And they arethey not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

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Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

The Prosecutor immediate appealed the judge's decision to release the boys and the Court of Appeals had to arrange a date for hearing.  Joran's attorney announced, as a Dutch citizen, Joran would be allowed to go off to Holland to start college.  At some unknown time prior to this Freddy had been quietly released without charges being brought.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 20, 2009, 08:12:21 PM
I recently ( within the last 24 hours ) read a post either here or at BFN ( I'm sorry, I can't remember which or who posted it ) where someone suggested that some of us from each state/country have bumper stickers made with a phrase about Natalee Holloway, just as another way to keep this case in the public eye. For instance, Justice For Natalee Holloway. I think this is such a great idea! Just one more way to let Aruba know that we aren't going anywhere, and to keep the public interested in this case. I know for many people funds are limited, and I would be willing to pay for some bumper stickers to get printed out and mailed to a bunch of Monkeys and BFN'ers. Is anyone willing to help me?
Since there is NO WAY that I am willing to share my address on a public forum on the internet, I am assuming most of you will feel the same way. BUT...If someone trustworthy and well-known here is willing to get a PO box ( like Klaas or Janet or someone we know is legitimate ), then we could mail them to that person, and whoever wants one could private-message the designated person their address and the designated person could mail them out. Am I making sense? I'd be willing to pay towards some of it, so people could get a free bumper sticker in the mail.
Many of you Monkeys are great researchers and enjoy doing research...I do not enjoy that aspect of this case as much as I enjoy trying to think of ways to keep the public interested in this case, and to keep the pressure on Aruba. We all have our strong points, and I want to do everything that I can think of to do my part in finding justice for Natalee Holloway. Although bumper stickers won't solve the case, lol, they will help keep it public.
To whoever came up with this idea, I am going to re-read some threads tonight here and at BFN to try to find the poster who came up with this idea and I will post a link if I can find it. I am not trying to steal anyone's idea or thunder and will gladly give credit to the person who is the brains behind this really cool idea. If anyone else knows who posted that, please let me know!
Have a great afternoon Monkeys!

There used to be some bumper stickers in Cafepress or Zazzle or one of those sites that said either "Justice for Natalee" or "Boycott Aruba".  They are pretty simple to create and  anyone can create their own online and purchase them for themelves.

Not a bad idea but I am not willing to provide MY address to the world.  I suggest the safest way is for each to create their own.

Another idea and I don't know if Red will allow it would be to create a simple bumper sticker in the SM Cafepress site and people could order from their.  I would have to ask Red if that's OK.

You can buy those "make your own bumpersticker" packs and use your own printer.  I think HP makes them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 20, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
KatzHome ~  Last active: Dec. 06, 2008

Her signature line:

Signature:
We Remember Natalee Bumper Stickers ~ Prayers for Natalee and her family
http://graphicemotion.com/TES_Bumper_Stickers.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 20, 2009, 09:29:15 PM
KatzHome ~  Last active: Dec. 06, 2008

Her signature line:

Signature:
We Remember Natalee Bumper Stickers ~ Prayers for Natalee and her family
http://graphicemotion.com/TES_Bumper_Stickers.pdf

Muffy, you are almost as good as Klaas is.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 20, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
KatzHome ~  Last active: Dec. 06, 2008

Her signature line:

Signature:
We Remember Natalee Bumper Stickers ~ Prayers for Natalee and her family
http://graphicemotion.com/TES_Bumper_Stickers.pdf

Muffy, you are almost as good as Klaas is.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Thank you, but no way.  Klaas is in a class all by herself.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 20, 2009, 09:41:21 PM
American Idol is REALLY good tonight.  Best show yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2009, 09:49:07 PM
KatzHome ~  Last active: Dec. 06, 2008

Her signature line:

Signature:
We Remember Natalee Bumper Stickers ~ Prayers for Natalee and her family
http://graphicemotion.com/TES_Bumper_Stickers.pdf

Muffy, you are almost as good as Klaas is.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Thank you, but no way.  Klaas is in a class all by herself.   ::MonkeyDance::

WOW Muffy, great memory!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 20, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
KatzHome ~  Last active: Dec. 06, 2008

Her signature line:

Signature:
We Remember Natalee Bumper Stickers ~ Prayers for Natalee and her family
http://graphicemotion.com/TES_Bumper_Stickers.pdf

Muffy, you are almost as good as Klaas is.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Thank you, but no way.  Klaas is in a class all by herself.   ::MonkeyDance::

WOW Muffy, great memory!

I mentioned it earlier but doubted my memory......guess I should have done the research......down a few points.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 20, 2009, 10:27:45 PM
KatzHome ~  Last active: Dec. 06, 2008

Her signature line:

Signature:
We Remember Natalee Bumper Stickers ~ Prayers for Natalee and her family
http://graphicemotion.com/TES_Bumper_Stickers.pdf

You all are good.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Muffy, you are almost as good as Klaas is.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Thank you, but no way.  Klaas is in a class all by herself.   ::MonkeyDance::

WOW Muffy, great memory!

I mentioned it earlier but doubted my memory......guess I should have done the research......down a few points.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 10:36:50 PM
KatzHome ~  Last active: Dec. 06, 2008

Her signature line:

Signature:
We Remember Natalee Bumper Stickers ~ Prayers for Natalee and her family
http://graphicemotion.com/TES_Bumper_Stickers.pdf



Muffy, you are almost as good as Klaas is.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Thank you, but no way.  Klaas is in a class all by herself.   ::MonkeyDance::

WOW Muffy, great memory!

I mentioned it earlier but doubted my memory......guess I should have done the research......down a few points.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

You all are good.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 20, 2009, 10:36:52 PM
Correct the above:

You are all good!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2009, 10:58:11 PM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:00 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 20, 2009, 11:01:25 PM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:00 PM

Good night, Janet.

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 20, 2009, 11:03:46 PM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:00 PM

Goodnight Janet.  Hope you feel better.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
BUMPER STICKER discussion moved to this thread.  Please feel free to continue the discussion in the new thread and we'll try to keep case related research discussion to this thread.  TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5151.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bradysmom on May 20, 2009, 11:05:57 PM
Goodnight everyone. Going to do a few minutes more of reading some posts here, and then time to start packing. My husband is taking me away to St. Barts for 2 weeks for our ten year anniversary, and we decided to bring our son, so I'm going to start packing a little bit each night so that I don't get overwhelmed at the last minute. We go to Disney World once a year, and I have always waited till the last minute to pack, and it turns into a nightmare, lol!
God Bless Natalee and her family and friends. Justice for Natalee!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 11:09:13 PM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:00 PM

Thank you for the reminders today!  I hope you are feeling better, and can get your tooth fixed soon!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!

Good Night Janet! 

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2009, 11:09:36 PM
Nite Janet

Nite Bradysmom - have a great trip!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 20, 2009, 11:11:05 PM
Goodnight everyone. Going to do a few minutes more of reading some posts here, and then time to start packing. My husband is taking me away to St. Barts for 2 weeks for our ten year anniversary, and we decided to bring our son, so I'm going to start packing a little bit each night so that I don't get overwhelmed at the last minute. We go to Disney World once a year, and I have always waited till the last minute to pack, and it turns into a nightmare, lol!
God Bless Natalee and her family and friends. Justice for Natalee!!

Good night, bradysmom.
And Welcome!

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 11:11:56 PM
Goodnight everyone. Going to do a few minutes more of reading some posts here, and then time to start packing. My husband is taking me away to St. Barts for 2 weeks for our ten year anniversary, and we decided to bring our son, so I'm going to start packing a little bit each night so that I don't get overwhelmed at the last minute. We go to Disney World once a year, and I have always waited till the last minute to pack, and it turns into a nightmare, lol!
God Bless Natalee and her family and friends. Justice for Natalee!!

Good night bradysmom!  Smart girl...packing some each day, except if I start too far in advance I end up taking everything but the kitchen sink!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sounds like a great trip, I hope you have a blast!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 20, 2009, 11:12:26 PM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:00 PM

Thank you for the reminders today!  I hope you are feeling better, and can get your tooth fixed soon!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!

Good Night Janet! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Thanks TM.  On that note (our little girl) I am calling it a night.  Have a good one ALL.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 11:15:46 PM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:00 PM

Thank you for the reminders today!  I hope you are feeling better, and can get your tooth fixed soon!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!

Good Night Janet! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Thanks TM.  On that note (our little girl) I am calling it a night.  Have a good one ALL.

Good Night Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 20, 2009, 11:46:58 PM
I still like to think our little laughing girl knows something that we yet have to hear or find out....a good thing....that's my thought....and I'll stick with it until she shakes her head and frowns.    ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 20, 2009, 11:59:52 PM
I still like to think our little laughing girl knows something that we yet have to hear or find out....a good thing....that's my thought....and I'll stick with it until she shakes her head and frowns.    ::MonkeyWink::



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 21, 2009, 12:04:24 AM
Seems like I got the month and day mixed up.... ::MonkeyHaHa:: it's 2-30-08.

I remember when I first heard about Natalee. ::MonkeyWaa::
That was a very HARD week for me as the 30th is my GrandPop's Anniversary of death .
I was a mess as it was because of Pops and when I heard about Natalee my heart  broke all over again.
Being a Mother of a 16 year old at the time I could feel Beth's and Dave's pain. I cried everyday! My family thought I was BANANAS!   ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was a Guest reader everynight - becuase I was SCARED CHIT to become a memeber- until I finally joined.

Just thought I share that since I will be a MESS and might not be on SM next week.  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 21, 2009, 12:13:13 AM
Seems like I got the month and day mixed up.... ::MonkeyHaHa:: it's 2-30-08.

I remember when I first heard about Natalee. ::MonkeyWaa::
That was a very HARD week for me as the 30th is my GrandPop's Anniversary of death .
I was a mess as it was because of Pops and when I heard about Natalee my heart  broke all over again.
Being a Mother of a 16 year old at the time I could feel Beth's and Dave's pain. I cried everyday! My family thought I was BANANAS!   ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was a Guest reader everynight - becuase I was SCARED CHIT to become a memeber- until I finally joined.

Just thought I share that since I will be a MESS and might not be on SM next week.  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb

Ok, it's time to go to sleep . I messed up the date again. It's 2-3-08.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Until tomorrow....sleep well!

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 21, 2009, 12:17:17 AM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:00 PM

Thank you for the reminders today!  I hope you are feeling better, and can get your tooth fixed soon!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!

Good Night Janet! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

texasmom ... I am feeling much better.  However ... I still hesitate to eat anything solid.  I had oatmeal porridge for dinner.  I must have been hungry because it tasted goo.  However ... I was waiting to be struck by lightning.  I am sure that somewhere in the Scriptures God commands that porridge cannot be eaten after 10:00 am.  I think it is located in the same passage that commands that Turkey must be eaten at Thanksgiving and Christmas and ... everybody seated around the table must have at least one brussel sprout.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 12:26:49 AM
Very disturbing "Letter to the Editor" in today's Awe Mainta.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

5/20/2009 Awe Mainta Page 23

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05202009AweMaintaPg23.jpg)

Papiamentu/Google translation:

inhusticia is thing cierto huez is practica in they sentencia gobierno of aruba have to cuminsa at haci algo cu the hueznan cu is manipula y introduciendo corupcion in they sentencia y is perhudica the victima. cu water at eye one mother owing to aserca my person for contami his dolor y pena cu the is happen inside actualmente.

where cu huez comisario owing to let pound (free) one pedofil, albert gilberto croes (aby), that live in becindario of catholic of paradera owing to abusa of his child of 8 year y owing to intenta of abusa of the another of 4 year.

at aruba we have leynan cu is castiga all malhechor y abusadornan of criaturanan younger of edad, have to cuminsa at aplica the leynan here. artikel 250: is tell good cla: "He with someone under the age of twelve years consulting operations, which consist of or include the sexual penetration of the body, is punished with imprisonment not exceeding twelve years or fine not exceeding one hundred thousand florin. Article 252: Is tell good cla: "he who by violence or another reality or threat of violence or any other reality is forcing someone to commit or indicate OBSCENE of acts, as guilty of physical assault of accountability punished by up to eight years or fine not exceeding one hundred thousand florin. y have much more articulo of ley in the same direccion, mucho for menciona.

albert gilberto croes (aby) owing to admiti his culpabilidad of abuse sexual (seksueel binnendringen) of the criatura of 8 year y owing to tapa his mouth pe not bark y owing to menaze if the talk the is golpie. the huez comisario owing to mantene the pedofil here close (in jail) for only one week without as at cuenta cu the damage cu past owing to cause at tanto the criaturanan y they family. my wanted owing to ask about tanto fiscal frans van deutencom y huez comisario  if was you yiunan was the victimanan, assure, assure cu you reaccion will was various, so is not haci cu another thing do you does not for they haci cu do you ok? con can is possible cu one mother not can consider y niether read the declaracion of his child cu past owing to haci at recherche, one younger have derecho of company, but in presencia of his mother, pasina the mother can confia in thing owing to wordo judge, for after not come manipulacion in husticia cu tendencia corumpi cu we have actualmente at aruba.

the pedofil, the sexmaniac albert gilberto croes (aby), district of paradera as cuenta cune y cuida you criaturanan, not permitie pe aserca they, berguenza of locual cu albert gilberto croes (aby) owing to haci will have to as encarcela in his own cas at paradera, is become time for place name faam, adres y the district completo in all corant, of the hombernan-bestia sexmaniac cu is march rond is busca criaturanan inocente for abusa of they. if husticia is proteganan berguenza have to can castiga y end cu they.

hiacintha thijsen trimon savaneta 210-a tel 584-7280 20thijsen


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 12:30:35 AM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:00 PM

Thank you for the reminders today!  I hope you are feeling better, and can get your tooth fixed soon!

Hope it doesn't hurt to smile!

Good Night Janet! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

texasmom ... I am feeling much better.  However ... I still hesitate to eat anything solid.  I had oatmeal porridge for dinner.  I must have been hungry because it tasted goo.  However ... I was waiting to be struck by lightning.  I am sure that somewhere in the Scriptures God commands that porridge cannot be eaten after 10:00 am.  I think it is located in the same passage that commands that Turkey must be eaten at Thanksgiving and Christmas and ... everybody seated around the table must have at least one brussel sprout.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All.

Janet


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

My "porridge" for several days was chicken noodle soup,  it was so nice to have a sandwich when it was all over!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 12:39:21 AM
Very disturbing "Letter to the Editor" in today's Awe Mainta.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

5/20/2009 Awe Mainta Page 23

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05202009AweMaintaPg23.jpg)

Papiamentu/Google translation:

inhusticia is thing cierto huez is practica in they sentencia gobierno of aruba have to cuminsa at haci algo cu the hueznan cu is manipula y introduciendo corupcion in they sentencia y is perhudica the victima. cu water at eye one mother owing to aserca my person for contami his dolor y pena cu the is happen inside actualmente.

where cu huez comisario owing to let pound (free) one pedofil, albert gilberto croes (aby), that live in becindario of catholic of paradera owing to abusa of his child of 8 year y owing to intenta of abusa of the another of 4 year.

at aruba we have leynan cu is castiga all malhechor y abusadornan of criaturanan younger of edad, have to cuminsa at aplica the leynan here. artikel 250: is tell good cla: "He with someone under the age of twelve years consulting operations, which consist of or include the sexual penetration of the body, is punished with imprisonment not exceeding twelve years or fine not exceeding one hundred thousand florin. Article 252: Is tell good cla: "he who by violence or another reality or threat of violence or any other reality is forcing someone to commit or indicate OBSCENE of acts, as guilty of physical assault of accountability punished by up to eight years or fine not exceeding one hundred thousand florin. y have much more articulo of ley in the same direccion, mucho for menciona.

albert gilberto croes (aby) owing to admiti his culpabilidad of abuse sexual (sexual penetration) of the criatura of 8 year y owing to tapa his mouth pe not bark y owing to menaze if the talk the is golpie. the huez comisario owing to mantene the pedofil here close (in jail) for only one week without as at cuenta cu the damage cu past owing to cause at tanto the criaturanan y they family. my wanted owing to ask about tanto fiscal frans van deutencom y huez comisario  if was you yiunan was the victimanan, assure, assure cu you reaccion will was various, so is not haci cu another thing do you does not for they haci cu do you ok? con can is possible cu one mother not can consider y niether read the declaracion of his child cu past owing to haci at recherche, one younger have derecho of company, but in presencia of his mother, pasina the mother can confia in thing owing to wordo judge, for after not come manipulacion in husticia cu tendencia corumpi cu we have actualmente at aruba.

the pedofil, the sexmaniac albert gilberto croes (aby), district of paradera as cuenta cune y cuida you criaturanan, not permitie pe aserca they, berguenza of locual cu albert gilberto croes (aby) owing to haci will have to as encarcela in his own cas at paradera, is become time for place name faam, adres y the district completo in all corant, of the hombernan-bestia sexmaniac cu is march rond is busca criaturanan inocente for abusa of they. if husticia is proteganan berguenza have to can castiga y end cu they.

hiacintha thijsen trimon savaneta 210-a tel 584-7280 20thijsen

edited to add additional translation of term (seksueel binnendringen)= sexual penetration


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 12:45:17 AM
Seems like I got the month and day mixed up.... ::MonkeyHaHa:: it's 2-30-08.

I remember when I first heard about Natalee. ::MonkeyWaa::
That was a very HARD week for me as the 30th is my GrandPop's Anniversary of death .
I was a mess as it was because of Pops and when I heard about Natalee my heart  broke all over again.
Being a Mother of a 16 year old at the time I could feel Beth's and Dave's pain. I cried everyday! My family thought I was BANANAS!   ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was a Guest reader everynight - becuase I was SCARED CHIT to become a memeber- until I finally joined.

Just thought I share that since I will be a MESS and might not be on SM next week.  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb

Ok, it's time to go to sleep . I messed up the date again. It's 2-3-08.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Until tomorrow....sleep well!

pb

Good Night pb....I'm hoping you will be o.k. next week...we'll be here if you need some company!

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2009, 12:57:39 AM
Interresting DEA tidbit posted by Glenda (if at all true):

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 01:01:22 AM
Interresting DEA tidbit posted by Glenda (if at all true):

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Glenda052009.jpg)

 ::MonkeyEek::

I Wonder when that happened?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2009, 01:03:47 AM
Texasmom - yeah, I wonder too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 01:04:30 AM
The reason I wonder is that since they have had all the raids I've noticed that there has been a lot of retaliation against Police and citizens.  I'm hoping that isn't what happened with the 15 year old girl that is still missing as far as I know.  I still think it may be related to the other two teenage girls that were missing for a while.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 01:06:19 AM
The reason I wonder is that since they have had all the raids I've noticed that there has been a lot of retaliation against Police and citizens.  I'm hoping that isn't what happened with the 15 year old girl that is still missing as far as I know.  I still think it may be related to the other two teenage girls that were missing for a while.  JMO

Also, if it's not recent and could have been about four years ago....the plot thickens.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 02:22:13 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 02:23:14 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:05:44 AM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Helen Back,
I've been wondering if you emailed any of the Dutch Parliament members about the article regarding the oil contracts?

Please let us know if you did and if you hear anything!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2009, 09:10:05 AM
http://www.taylordailypress.net/articles/2009/05/20/news/news06.txt

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Holloway speech moves students, parents

By Jason Schaefer


It was a tearful, moving experience for many in the crowd and a great source of good information about travel safety.

Beth Holloway, the mother of missing and presumed dead Natalee Holloway who disappeared in Aruba in 2005, visited Taylor High School Monday morning to present her story to students and give her perspective on the importance of travel safety.

The presentation went well, captivating the audience of teenagers so much you could have heard a pin drop in the auditorium, THS Principal Kim Mason said.

I thought it was just wonderful, Mason said. It was sad to hear, but from her own heart and in her own words, it was a truly amazing experience.

THS Counselor Marilyn Tennill described the presentation as powerful and informative, and the advice something that the students truly can use.

One of the most touching moments to Tennill was Holloways description of the religious experience that drove her to accept the loss of her daughter and move on to inform the public.

While she was in Aruba searching for her daughter, Holloway told the audience, she was riding in a taxi and felt compelled to go to a church and pray. She told the driver to take her to the nearest church.

The driver took her to a path that led up to a local church, upon which there were five crosses. Holloway began along the path, stopping at each cross to pray, and when she reached the fifth cross, she suddenly felt at peace, and she knew her daughter was with God, Holloway said.

The story brought everybody to tears, Tennill said.

Following the story, Holloway gave a few tips on how to stay safe while traveling, the kind that is valuable internationally, but also on 6th Street in Austin, Tennill said.

Freshman Trey Fitzgerald learned to be more careful, he said, to watch his surroundings, to never leave a drink unattended and exposed, and to never get into a car with someone you dont know.

It was pretty emotional, junior Gerald Dobbs said. It reminded me of the movie Taken, and it reminds you that the structure of some countries isnt the same as we have here.

Senior Seth Marcon thought just getting Holloway to come out to Taylor was a great feat, he said.

Its good we get the opportunity to have somebody that had that kind of experience, Marcon said.

Im honored to have the opportunity to come out to Taylor, Holloway said. What I try to convey is that personal safety all boils down to a plan, and that its their responsibility to have their own plan to make sure they are always safe.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 21, 2009, 10:04:14 AM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Helen Back,
I've been wondering if you emailed any of the Dutch Parliament members about the article regarding the oil contracts?

Please let us know if you did and if you hear anything!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Sorry Texasmom, I wandered off for a while. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have written to two of my favorites.  They are my favorites because they have responded in the past, so I'll let you know.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Secret contracts, secret meetings, all point to the corruption that is the continuing theme.  ::MonkeyCool::

Good morning monkeys.    ::MonkeyDance::

Helen Back




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 21, 2009, 12:19:10 PM
Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Monkeys and Guests!

Thanks Helen Back...Please let Us know if and when You hear anything back about those oil contracts.....  ::MonkeyWink::

Have a Great Day Everyone!  ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2009, 01:29:24 PM
Video of Beth speaking:

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/05/19/Natalee-Holloways-mom-warns/1242745639.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 01:34:13 PM
She sure is a beautiful woman.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 02:43:00 PM
Video of Beth speaking:

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/05/19/Natalee-Holloways-mom-warns/1242745639.html

Thanks Klaas for the article and the video!   ::MonkeyDance::

I wish I could have gone to hear her speak.  I'm very proud of the Austin High School's student body...the respect that was shown for Beth with their standing ovation is very heart warming!

I also agree with Edward...Beth is a very beautiful woman...inside and out. 

JMO

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 03:02:09 PM
I'm not sure if this is about the same "oil contracts" that we read about in the article a few days ago or not....but I think it may be!

http://news.laprensacur.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1926:prome-minister-lo-habri-buki-staten-ta-reuni-ku-porta-sera-riba-kontrakt-petrolero&catid=34:politika&Itemid=56

Original Text

Prom minister lo habri buki: Staten ta reun ku porta ser riba kontrakt petrolero!       

Written by Administrator     

Tuesday, 19 May 2009 00:00 

WILLEMSTAD - Parlamentu antiano lo reun awe ku porta ser, pa asina gobirnu por duna miembronan di e kolegio aki e  informashon nesesario relashon ku e trmitenan ku gobirnu ta hasiendo pa weta si tin rikesa mineral den nos supsuela.

Tasina ku frakshon di partido MAN den Staten pa basta dia kaba ke sa kon ta para ku e asuntu aki. Te awe, despues di vrios petishon e frakshon ainda no por haa dokumentonan importante ku el a pidi relashon ku eventual presensia di rikesa mineral den nos awanan teritorial. Dia 2 di aprel a manda un karta pa gobirnu, solisitando mas klaridat i pidiendo e dokumentonan konsern.

Mi no ta spera tin nada di skonde, asina ingeniero Dwigno Puriel a agreg na e okashon ei.

Frakshon di MAN ta argument ku gobirnu no ta dunando sufisiente informashon anto hustamente na Staten, ku ta e rgano di mas haltu di pais.

Notabel tabata ku durante tratamentu di e tema aki dia 5 di mei ltimo, miembronan di koalishon no a hiba palabra. Tabatin solamente dos miembro di oposishon ku a hasi esaki, ku ta Dwigno Puriel i mr. Glenn Camelia.

 No ta korekto pa bin ku asuntu ku tin zeta. Nos no a pasa ni sikiera e lei ainda, te pa duna kompania libanes, hapones, chines f iranes opshon pa bora, segun e prom minister di Antia Emily de Jongh-Elhage a bisa durante e reunion.

Loke si a sosod ta, ku na 1983, e prom minister di e tempu ei (Don Martina, red) a duna opshon pa bora, en buska di petroli, el a agreg.

E prom investigashon ku tabatin riba e tereno aki ta data di 1981, el a agreg.

Tanten ku mi bisa ku e informashon ta konfidenshal, mester sia respet esei.

E prom minister a splika ku e lei riba boramentu den awanan teritorial ta kasi kla. Lo atend den futuro, ora Antia no tei mas, meskos ku a atend repartishon di bienes, el a sigur.

El a  bisa tambe, ku tin hopi pais na mundu ku a bora, pero ku a haa nada. Na Srnam nan a bora mas di 800 biaha kaba, na Cuba mas di 500 biaha. Asina tin masha hopi pais mas ku a buska. Nos no mester krea ekspektativa falsu, el a agreg.

Finalmente e prom mandatario di Antia a anunsi, ku si Staten ke, e por present den un reunion ku porta ser i duna miembronan chns di weta sierto dokumento, un proposishon ku parlamentu a asept mesora.

E reunion ei pues ta tuma lug awe den sala di parlamentu di Antia.
 


Papiamentu translation:

ay minister will open buki: staten is reun with door ser on kontrakt petrolero!

written by administrator

tuesday, 19 may 2009 00:00 willemstad - parlamentu antillean will reun today with door ser, for so gobirnu can give miembronan of the kolegio here the information necessary relashon with the trmitenan with gobirnu is hasiendo for consider if have abundance mineral in we supsuela. tasina with fraction of faction hand in staten for enough day finish want know how is stop with the affair here. till today, after of vrios petishon the fraction still not can find dokumentonan important with past owing to ask relashon with eventual presence of abundance mineral in we awanan teritorial. day 2 of april owing to send one letter for gobirnu, solisitando more klaridat and pidiendo the dokumentonan konsern. my do not wait for have nothing of skonde, so engineer dwigno puriel owing to add at the okashon there. fraction of hand is maintain with gobirnu do not dunando enough information then just at staten, with is the rgano of more high of country. notabel was with during tratamentu of the exercise here day 5 of half last, miembronan of koalishon not owing to take away word. had only two acolyte of oposishon with owing to make this, with is dwigno puriel and mr. glenn camelia. no is correct for come with affair with have oil. we not owing to happen neither sikiera the law still, till for give kompania libanes, japanese, chinese or iranes opshon for bore, segun the ay minister of antilles emily de jongh-elhage owing to tell during the meeting. thing if owing to happen is, with at 1983, the ay minister of the time there (don martina, red) owing to give opshon for bore, provided that look for of petroli, past owing to add. the ay investigation with had on the territory here is data of 1981, past owing to add. adieu with my tell with the information is konfidenshal, have to learn respect that. the ay minister owing to splika with the law on boramentu in awanan teritorial is almost ready. will atend in future, hour antilles not tei more, meskos with owing to atend repartishon of bienes, past owing to affirm. past owing to tell also, with have much country at world with owing to bore, but with owing to find nothing. at surinamese they owing to bore more of 800 trip finish, at cuba more of 500 trip. so have very much country more with owing to look for. we not have to create ekspektativa false, past owing to add. finalmente the ay mandatario of antilles owing to anunsi, with if staten want, the can act in one meeting with door ser and give miembronan chance of consider sierto document, one offer with parlamentu owing to accept at once. the meeting there then is take place today in sitting-room of parlamentu of antilles. come across

Google Spanish Translation:

aya minister will open Buki: staten is met with kontrakt door will be on oil!

Written by Administrator

Tuesday, 19 may 2009 00:00 Willemstad - parlamentu Antillean door will be met with today, so for gobirnu can give miembronan of the kolegio here with the information necessary relashon the trmitenan with gobirnu is for hasiendo consider if mineral in abundance have we supsuela. faction with t'asina fraction of hand in staten enough for day finish want know how is the affair with stop here. till today, after several of the fraction petishon still can not find dokumentonan important with past owing to ask relashon with possible presence of mineral abundance in Awana we territorial. day 2 of april owing to send one letter for gobirnu, solisitando more klaridat and asking the dokumentonan konsern. do not wait for my have nothing of Skond, so engineer dwigno puriel owing to add at the okashon there. fraction of hand with gobirnu do is maintain dunando not enough information then just at State, with is the body of country of more high. notabel was with during tratamentu of the exercise here last half of day 5, miembronan of koalishon not owing to take away word. had only two acolyte of oposishon with owing to make this, and with puriel is dwigno mr. glenn camellia. "Is not correct for affair with have come with oil. we not happen owing to the law neither sikiera still, till for Kompania give Lebanese, japanese, chinese or iran for opshon bore, "said the minister of aya antilles Emily de Jongh-Elhage owing to tell during the meeting. if owing thing to happen is, with at 1983, the aya minister of the time there (don martina, network) owing to give opshon for bore, provided that look for of Petroli, past owing to add. aya had with the investigation on the territory of 1981 data is here, past owing to add. tell with my adieu with the information is konfidenshal, have to learn respect that. owing to the minister aya splika with the law on territorial boramentu in Awana is almost ready. will in future care of, not t'ei hour antilles more, owing to meskos with repartishon takes care of property, past owing to affirm. past owing to tell also, with have much country at world with owing to bore, but with owing to find nothing. at Surinamese they bore more owing to finish trip of 800, at 500 more of cuba trip. have so very much more with country owing to look for. we have not to create false ekspektativa, past owing to add. finally the president of aya antilles owing to anunsi, with staten if want, can act in the meeting with one door and will give chance miembronan consider desert of document, with one offer parlamentu owing to accept at once. then there is the meeting take place today in the sitting-room of parlamentu of antilles. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:00:13 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:08:48 PM

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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:11:26 PM

Wonder where he got that shirt with the pictures of him and his buddies on it!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:14:05 PM
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Cream @ Confession Night Club 16Mei (Alex Croes)
                                                 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 21, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:34:52 PM
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 21, 2009, 09:35:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56878.php

Aruba
Minister of Tourism to get Ahata
May 20, 2009, 15:30 (GMT -04:00)

 
Edison snort Minister during his press conference yesterday afternoon in which he also responded to the new report Ahata.
 
Oranjestad - Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (Ahata), its business back in order. It said Tourism Minister Edison breeze of yesterday afternoon during a press conference. The Minister has no good word about the latest report of Ahata where more active involvement of government and more money for marketing and advertising calls. In addition, the prices charged by the hotels are handled out of time and the relationship between the hotel association and his ministry last time bekoeld.

Snort wonders how it is pointless to even more money to pump into marketing. "This year, the government invested 50 million florin in marketing and advertising," said the minister. "The figures show that the government Eman in his reign never more than 18 million florin has invested." Snort asked during the press conference aloud or just the government that the hotels have filled with tourists. The minister was the main Ahata have to choose to ensure the marketing of the hotels. Snort stated that he no wishes to claim a part of the budgetary fund, after the large investment in the first quarter. "I voted against my colleague Minister Nilo Swaen said that I might back him will correct when BBO-money from the refinery later this year comes."

Closed doors
The relationship between his ministry and Ahata is not what it was, says breeze. "I do not know quite which direction they are currently immersed. We always have an open door policy with them but the last time they many meetings behind closed doors where we do not at present may be. We always act it out, and our budget is public and can be watched by everyone. "
The Minister of Tourism also manifest errors in the last report of Ahata. This report is based on a situation at five major hotels, but the conditions for each hotel are not clear, according breeze. "Each hotel has a personal situation. Some time shares, others not. In addition Radisson struggling for three years with a problem and the economic crisis, the problem only made worse. The problems that now the hand by Westin are a direct result of the economic crisis. When this so-called brand hotels in the spotlight, then you should also look at how these hotels are run. I also regret that where such reports Ahata be made by certain people from the commercial sector, then the report is that Aruba in the first quarter florin 100 million lost to gross national product. While the Central Bureau of Statistics and Department of Finance say that now number between 54 and 56 million florin lies. "

Value for money
Snort also notes that when making comparisons also looked to be exactly who the competitors are in the region. "Why do not the numbers of Puerto Rico, Bahamas, Barbados and the U.S. Virgin Islands in addition to those of Aruba. I therefore regret that Ahata not complete figures comes out, "said Minister breeze, which also considers that the hotels are not flexible enough to act to help cope with the current market. "The tourists now look mainly to prices and whether they have enough value for their money. Some competitors with different actions, as has Barbados even guarantee good weather. Is there a rainy day during your vacation, then you get some money back. In Aruba, we are on our prices and we are pleased that we can maintain these prices. But when occupancy is down you should not sit still, but action. "
Next Wednesday is a meeting planned between the Ministry of Tourism and Ahata in the building of the Central Bank.

Just have to laugh at the translation, LOL (snort)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:40:09 PM


I think he may very likely be extremely familiar with the term "snort".  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:43:23 PM
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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei

Son of Mark Purcell - Myspace


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I get mad all over again every time I see that!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/madMonkey.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 21, 2009, 09:50:19 PM
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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei

Son of Mark Purcell - Myspace


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I get mad all over again every time I see that!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/madMonkey.gif)


When you stop and consider the father ....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hey Texasmom ... I stole your mad Monkey icon.  Is that OK?  Maybe Klaas would give it us as another emotion option.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:50:53 PM


I think he may very likely be extremely familiar with the term "snort".  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyDevil::

This one too!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 09:55:32 PM
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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei

Son of Mark Purcell - Myspace


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I get mad all over again every time I see that!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/madMonkey.gif)


When you stop and consider the father ....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hey Texasmom ... I stole your mad Monkey icon.  Is that OK?  Maybe Klaas would give it us as another emotion option.

Janet

 

Janet,
I know what you mean Janet, two of a kind...and not a good kind by any means! 

You are welcome to use anything I have!  IIRC, San actually made that and posted it...I just saved it.  I don't think she minds us using it...or hope not anyway!







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 21, 2009, 10:05:45 PM
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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei

Son of Mark Purcell - Myspace


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Nasty really runs in that Purcell family.

I don't think that I ever realized that there were people that mean in the world until
Natalee disappeared.  At least I had never encountered any of them.  It has been a
rude awakening.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 10:23:55 PM
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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei

Son of Mark Purcell - Myspace


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Nasty really runs in that Purcell family.

I don't think that I ever realized that there were people that mean in the world until
Natalee disappeared.  At least I had never encountered any of them.  It has been a
rude awakening.

I'd never seen anything like it either Magnolia.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: KYcat on May 21, 2009, 10:27:29 PM
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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei

Son of Mark Purcell - Myspace


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Nasty really runs in that Purcell family.

I don't think that I ever realized that there were people that mean in the world until
Natalee disappeared.  At least I had never encountered any of them.  It has been a
rude awakening.

I had to come out of *read only* mode when I saw this.  Nasty little chit isn't he. 

Crude, NO class, sick, narcistic, sociopathic behavior - as Janet said, 'just look at the father".  Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.  It seems this behavior is rampant on the island.  How can you expect these spawns to turn out any different when they are raised this way.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 21, 2009, 11:18:53 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa::   A week from this coming Saturday it will be 4 years since Natalee went missing. 

Seeing SC's pic is always one of those aaack moments....       :smt078


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 21, 2009, 11:19:33 PM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:20 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 21, 2009, 11:24:44 PM
Good Night Janet! I hope that Your tooth is all better!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 21, 2009, 11:26:56 PM
Goodnight, Janet.  Ditto, hotping's comment about your tooth.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 11:48:32 PM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:20 PM


Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 21, 2009, 11:59:09 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/02042008Robots.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 22, 2009, 12:02:29 AM
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WOW, NO RESPECT! These  I don't know what to call them because they are NOT PEOPLE never seem to amaze me! NO CLASS!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi, Monkeys.

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 22, 2009, 12:02:37 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::  Nice to read a little Robots....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 22, 2009, 12:04:23 AM
TM, thank you!  ::MonkeyWink::

pbxo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 22, 2009, 12:06:16 AM
::MonkeyCool::  Nice to read a little Robots....

I miss Robots....

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 12:08:58 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/02042008Robots.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::
One of the great Robot's lasts posts!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 12:11:12 AM
Good Night Janet! I hope that Your tooth is all better!  ::MonkeyCool::

hotping ... next week when I get that root canal ... all will be right in Tamikosmom's world again.

The antibiotic and Ibuprophen (sp) are keeping the pain under control.  Scambled eggs was where it was tonight.  I have lost 5 pounds this week because of my hesitation to eat solids.  After the root canal ... I plan on pigging out on my favorite foods and ... gaining it all back.  Olive Garden here I come.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for asking.

Janet
9:10 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 12:17:59 AM



texasmom :smt049 robots

He just had a way with words.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 12:21:05 AM
Good Night Janet! I hope that Your tooth is all better!  ::MonkeyCool::

hotping ... next week when I get that root canal ... all will be right in Tamikosmom's world again.

The antibiotic and Ibuprophen (sp) are keeping the pain under control.  Scambled eggs was where it was tonight.  I have lost 5 pounds this week because of my hesitation to eat solids.  After the root canal ... I plan on pigging out on my favorite foods and ... gaining it all back.  Olive Garden here I come.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for asking.

Janet
9:10 PM

 ::MonkeyDance::

Sounds better than porridge! (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Glad you've got the pain under control, that's very good news!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 22, 2009, 12:22:20 AM
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Soul Beach 2009 Daytime Event @ Moomba Beach 21Mei

Son of Mark Purcell - Myspace


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Just got this now.  What mockery - how dare he!  This is absolutely disgusting!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 12:31:00 AM
Good Night Janet! I hope that Your tooth is all better!  ::MonkeyCool::

hotping ... next week when I get that root canal ... all will be right in Tamikosmom's world again.

The antibiotic and Ibuprophen (sp) are keeping the pain under control.  Scambled eggs was where it was tonight.  I have lost 5 pounds this week because of my hesitation to eat solids.  After the root canal ... I plan on pigging out on my favorite foods and ... gaining it all back.  Olive Garden here I come.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for asking.

Janet
9:10 PM
Great Janet I'm glad that the pain is under control...I had a stomach bug for a couple of days but I'm all better now...Yum... Olive Garden sounds good I have to drive for an hour to get to one from here..... ::MonkeyWink:: Try drinking Carnation Instant Breakfast it is very filling and will keep You from losing so much weight..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:26:32 AM
9/21/2008   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.60

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:27:22 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kermit092120083.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:28:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kermit092120086.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:30:24 AM
HT:  Kermit

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:31:26 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:32:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kermit092120081.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:32:49 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kermit0921200811.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:34:07 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.80


Quote from: Lala'sMom on September 21, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
Quote
Remember Kyle said the evidence was taken by ALE...so where does that leave us again?  Same place as the shoe given to ALE and no one has heard from it sense.  Wonder when the witness will be taken by the ALE and never heard from again as in the other witnesses.  Hmmmmm...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kermit0921200810.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:34:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kermit092120088.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:40:53 AM


That's all I have for now.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:42:33 AM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/KermitsSloot4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 01:43:44 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:11:37 AM
5/22/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu/Google Spanish translation:

majority of eerste kamer cu is believe to have come one independent research secretary of state, is concerned cu Bijleveld ank thing is happening and will deliberate at aruba cu investigacion nel Oduber

tuesday, eerste kamer netherlands had one at the meeting secretary of cu Bijleveld and minister of state husticia dutch, Hirsch Ballin. during this miembronan of eerste kamer owing to perform one series of critical question on the quality of governance and maneho of husticia at aruba. owing to various senadornan show they're at cu please one of independent research on the possible government bullies in aruba. they assure two of this LINTHORST of PvdA Marijke and Frank van Kappen of VVD. during the meeting here, Secretary of ESADE sra. ank Bijleveld-Schouten owing to express his concern of thing is tumando place at aruba. past owing to give of known cu in aruba at his next visit, cu is another month, the first minister will deliberate cu nel Oduber, bay they're speaking with the research here. almost assure will become the one thing of similar research being owing to happen year speaking at 3 st. maarten.

cu the hechonan here, sra. ank Bijleveld is also confirmed cu raportnan of the VNO is send for the netherlands, cu speaking the situation is more worrying still. cu can not believe the contents do not basa on truth, as cu pg, mr. rob pietersz owing to give of known. pesey clarifies for all costs, is one speaking mihor deep research. LINTHORST is tell the cu personanan have to bao huramentamento word list, because according the tell is, past owing to come sealnan cu hayando is one person of a certain amount does not bring acusacionnan they publicly. looking cu past owing to form part of the delegation dutch aruba cu owing to come for her at january Overleg pok, the person can hear owing to various of the cu storianan have extremely concerned about the netherlands. according compronde can Marijke LINTHORST owing to stay owing to concerns of the storianan of corupcion, intimidation and bad for Queen of all layer in social community. all the time Frank van Kappen cu aruba owing to states is also form part of dutch kingdom and because, such cu have to accomplish the requisitonan for one of good governance and maneho is cu husticia count; paisnan for all in the kingdom. also shown is the cu january at the delegation of pok dutch word about owing to several of ciudadanonan trip by aruba cu kehonan on corupcion, intimidation and bad Queen on we island. naturally is the can not tell cu they owing to verify if esakinan is Berd or not. but thing is if Frank van Kappen is tell the cu storianan of corupcion, and intimidation was vriendjespolitiek come for all of the capanan of the society, same thing LINTHORST cu owing to indicate, although the Cu is added this is the good influence negatively Cu have among aruba and the netherlands. pesey self is of the opinion will cu cu eat is good for independent research one can separate the cu will hechonan of regal esnan factory. Bijleveld secretary of state owing to tell cu one type of research will asino can ends is in about 6 months.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:13:43 AM


If they would have listened the minute Hero Brinkman told the world they were all "Corrupt as Hell", they'd be done with the investigation by now!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 22, 2009, 02:15:03 AM
Kermit,
Thank you for drawing attention back to the persistence! that is where the focus needs to be....
No distractions...
No offense to anyone, but we have been somewhat rudderless recently.
Remains were in the trap. Where are the remains?
Next steps? Better informed Monkeys will need to lead the way....mho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:15:37 AM

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 22, 2009, 02:17:32 AM
TM...
Thanks for the robots posts.. ::MonkeyDance::
I LOVE to HATE THEM ALL!   ::MonkeyCool::
urine, paulass, anita, k2.....KARMA's on the way!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:19:18 AM
Kermit,
Thank you for drawing attention back to the persistence! that is where the focus needs to be....
No distractions...
No offense to anyone, but we have been somewhat rudderless recently.
Remains were in the trap. Where are the remains?
Next steps? Better informed Monkeys will need to lead the way....mho


I brought Kermit's posts forward (with screen shots) from September.
Hoping Kermit wouldn't mind....wanted to post the reminders so we could get our focus back!

It's time to put the pressure on and get some answers!

JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:21:15 AM
Hello Cageman, texasmom, billb and 3 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:21:51 AM
Kermit,
Thank you for drawing attention back to the persistence! that is where the focus needs to be....
No distractions...
No offense to anyone, but we have been somewhat rudderless recently.
Remains were in the trap. Where are the remains?
Next steps? Better informed Monkeys will need to lead the way....mho


I brought Kermit's posts forward (with screen shots) from September.
Hoping Kermit wouldn't mind....wanted to post the reminders so we could get our focus back!

It's time to put the pressure on and get some answers!

JMO


I agree TM!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:22:37 AM


I hope that Kermit will have time soon to stop in and bring some more reminders!

The frog does a much better job than I do!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 22, 2009, 02:22:39 AM

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance::


who me?
Hi TM!   
We need some serious kicka$$ action down there in aruba....
4 friggin years! ::MonkeyNoNo::
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE is no longer a wish....It's MANDATORY !
aruba, start with returning Natalee's remains, prosecuting pj2k, out and prosecute your crack cover up team...
Then come begging for forgiveness if you every dream of one happy island again.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:24:29 AM
TM...
Thanks for the robots posts.. ::MonkeyDance::
I LOVE to HATE THEM ALL!   ::MonkeyCool::
urine, paulass, anita, k2.....KARMA's on the way!

It was my pleasure...I needed a robots fix to get me fired up!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 22, 2009, 02:25:53 AM
Kermit,
Thank you for drawing attention back to the persistence! that is where the focus needs to be....
No distractions...
No offense to anyone, but we have been somewhat rudderless recently.
Remains were in the trap. Where are the remains?
Next steps? Better informed Monkeys will need to lead the way....mho


I brought Kermit's posts forward (with screen shots) from September.
Hoping Kermit wouldn't mind....wanted to post the reminders so we could get our focus back!

It's time to put the pressure on and get some answers!

JMO


TM...you had me fooled.... was so caught up in the message I forgot the messenger!
You ROCK!
Point is the same.......Let's get back to the persistence....that is where it is at!...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:27:19 AM


I hope that Kermit will have time soon to stop in and bring some more reminders!

The frog does a much better job than I do!

 ::MonkeyCool::
TM.. I think You did a Marvelous Job with the reminders!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:28:21 AM
Kermit,
Thank you for drawing attention back to the persistence! that is where the focus needs to be....
No distractions...
No offense to anyone, but we have been somewhat rudderless recently.
Remains were in the trap. Where are the remains?
Next steps? Better informed Monkeys will need to lead the way....mho


I brought Kermit's posts forward (with screen shots) from September.
Hoping Kermit wouldn't mind....wanted to post the reminders so we could get our focus back!

It's time to put the pressure on and get some answers!

JMO


TM...you had me fooled.... was so caught up in the message I forgot the messenger!
You ROCK!
Point is the same.......Let's get back to the persistence....that is where it is at!...

I AGREE!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:28:47 AM
TM...
Thanks for the robots posts.. ::MonkeyDance::
I LOVE to HATE THEM ALL!   ::MonkeyCool::
urine, paulass, anita, k2.....KARMA's on the way!

It was my pleasure...I needed a robots fix to get me fired up!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::
  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:29:57 AM
Kermit,
Thank you for drawing attention back to the persistence! that is where the focus needs to be....
No distractions...
No offense to anyone, but we have been somewhat rudderless recently.
Remains were in the trap. Where are the remains?
Next steps? Better informed Monkeys will need to lead the way....mho


I brought Kermit's posts forward (with screen shots) from September.
Hoping Kermit wouldn't mind....wanted to post the reminders so we could get our focus back!

It's time to put the pressure on and get some answers!

JMO


TM...you had me fooled.... was so caught up in the message I forgot the messenger!
You ROCK!
Point is the same.......Let's get back to the persistence....that is where it is at!...

I AGREE!   ::MonkeyDance::
Me Too!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 22, 2009, 02:30:07 AM
Good night billb, hotping, texasmom, Cageman and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
I'm old....pushing 99... ::MonkeyCool:: bed time for me.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:31:09 AM


I hope that Kermit will have time soon to stop in and bring some more reminders!

The frog does a much better job than I do!

 ::MonkeyCool::
TM.. I think You did a Marvelous Job with the reminders!  ::cartwheel::

Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:31:28 AM
Kermit,
Thank you for drawing attention back to the persistence! that is where the focus needs to be....
No distractions...
No offense to anyone, but we have been somewhat rudderless recently.
Remains were in the trap. Where are the remains?
Next steps? Better informed Monkeys will need to lead the way....mho


I brought Kermit's posts forward (with screen shots) from September.
Hoping Kermit wouldn't mind....wanted to post the reminders so we could get our focus back!

It's time to put the pressure on and get some answers!

JMO


TM...you had me fooled.... was so caught up in the message I forgot the messenger!
You ROCK!
Point is the same.......Let's get back to the persistence....that is where it is at!...
Yes She Does Rock!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:33:04 AM
Good night billb, hotping, texasmom, Cageman and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
I'm old....pushing 99... ::MonkeyCool:: bed time for me.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....
Good Night billb..... but isn't 99 young in Robot years?... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:34:39 AM
Good night billb, hotping, texasmom, Cageman and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
I'm old....pushing 99... ::MonkeyCool:: bed time for me.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....

Good night billb!  I'm not quite pushing 99 but sleeping at my desk is not good for job security so I'm calling it a night too!  But I'll have a long weekend to put some more reminders out here if Kermit doesn't have time to hop by!

I'm really glad you came by...made my day!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:35:49 AM
Good night billb, hotping, texasmom, Cageman and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
I'm old....pushing 99... ::MonkeyCool:: bed time for me.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....
Good Night billb..... but isn't 99 young in Robot years?... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:36:11 AM
You know what really pisses Me off...Its those reports by CBS42...WTH Do They think They were doing....What new information did They bring forward...It was all about ratings.... ::MonkeyNoNo::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 02:37:53 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:44:13 AM
You know what really pisses Me off...Its those reports by CBS42...WTH Do They think They were doing....What new information did They bring forward...It was all about ratings.... ::MonkeyNoNo::   

I know what you mean Hotping!  I'm mad too!

Looking at the pictures today from the Soul Beach activities...not the usual large crowd.  ::MonkeyDevil::

They are going to pay for what they've done....and DIDN'T DO..for many years to come!

They can try to blame Natalee all they want.

SHE DIDN'T MAKE HERSELF DISAPPEAR! 

And we KNOW WHY they made her disappear...AND WE'RE NOT FORGETTING ABOUT IT....EVER!

TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!!

WE'RE NOT GIVING UP!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:45:11 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyCool::

Good night Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:45:49 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 02:48:24 AM


Good Night Cageman!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Cageman on May 22, 2009, 03:21:17 AM
Good night to all of you. However in Europe it is already morning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 03:26:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 03:26:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 03:27:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 03:28:58 AM
                                JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


                WE'RE STILL HERE PERSISTENCE..WE GOIN NOWHERE

                                   HOW YA LIKE THEM APPLES.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 03:30:34 AM
.............................................. ::MonkeyCool::..............................................................


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 09:37:25 AM
REMINDER

2007

THE OCEAN SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

In mid December of 2007 a crew of Americans on board a vessel named The Persistence begins a search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the waters off Aruba.  On Christmas Day a discovery is made while sonar scanning the ocean floor.  The discovery was a large fish trap.  On December 29th an ROV is ultilized to capture images of what is contained within.

Kyle Kingman, the ROV operator and remote analysis on board the Persistence, came to the conclusion that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed within that trap.

However, on a December 30, 2007, Aruban divers claimed that their investigation revealed there was nothing related to the Natalee Holloway case inside the trap.

John Silvetti, the Project Lead on board the Persistence, accepted the words of the Aruban divers unconditionally.   
______


The Persistence - Key Personnal

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

Kyle Kingman:  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.

Kyle Kingman:  John (Silvetti) is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 09:38:56 AM
REMINDER

color=red]2008[/color]

THE RECOVERY DIVE

On January 7, 2008 Aruban divers sampled and recovered the contents of the large fish trap disovered with sonar on the ocean floor off the coast of Aruba on Christmas Day, 2007 by the ROV operator and remote analyst on board the Persistence.

The crew of the Persistence were not involved in the recovery process ... only the Arubans.

________


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 09:50:10 AM
REMINDER

JOHN SILVETTI - CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  05/08/08 - John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle Kigman:  06/06/08 - Here's some interesting news: John goes to Aruba on Wednesday.

Kyle Kingman:  06/10/08 - He's (Silvetti) seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle Kingman:  06/13/08 - John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  06/29/08 - I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies

Kyle Kingman:  06/29/08 - I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 22, 2009, 10:12:15 AM
Good morning Monkeys!

Thank you for the reminders of where our focus should be!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 22, 2009, 10:14:40 AM
FYI

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5034.msg816501#msg816501


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 22, 2009, 11:09:43 AM
The Hague to investigate
state of Aruba government


.....

 There is a lot amiss in Aruba, said Senator Marijke Linthorst of the labour party PvdA. There is no compulsory education, the economy is kept largely going by many illegal and underpaid labourers, while a part of the population is unemployed and there are stubborn rumours about corruption. That is not good for the image of Aruba and of the Kingdom, she said.

Linthorst explained that citizens are afraid to voice their criticism publicly and therefore these people should be heard under oath as part of a study. Investigators should also be able to have access to confidential material. Otherwise such a study was of no use, she added


.....

Bijleveld-Schouten agreed with Senator Linthorst that all information should surface and she said she would look at the possibility to have people heard under oath. The majority of the factions in the First Chamber expressed their support for the study and were happy to note that the State Secretary was taking the situation in Aruba seriously.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m004/arubam004.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 22, 2009, 11:15:44 AM
Antilles free trade zones come under scrutiny


May 21st, 2009 Before the summer recess Interior Secretary Ank Bijleveld and Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin will produce a report on the so-called E-zones, the free trade zones (FTZs) to be found on a number of Antillian islands which remain part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The promise was made yesterday to SP Senator Sineke ten Horn during a debate on political relations within the Kingdom. These free trade zones are in reality tax havens. Any corporation claiming establishment within an FTZ, even if this amounts to no more than a post-box, is obliged to pay no more than 2% tax on its profits. Curaao is the principal beneficiary.

On Tuesday, barely two days after a narrow majority on Curaao had voted for a future in which the island will develop further towards independence, the Senate of the Netherlands debated the future of all of the Dutch Antilles, each of which will eventually go its own way, whether as an independent country or as a local authority within the Netherlands.

Although Sineke ten Horn declared her agreement with the process which the result of the referendum in Curaao has set in motion, she insisted that a solution must be found to the problem of tax havens existing with the Kingdom of the Netherlands. "Surely we can't avoid discussing the continue existence of these zones within the Kingdom?" she said. "My party, in any case, cannot agree to that.

According to Ten Horn this would also go against what was agreed in 1993 when Aruba another of the Antillean islands - was preparing for the independence it gained three years later. At that time we came to an agreement that in the case of regulations that were not deemed to be broadly acceptable internationally, or which lead to a disproportionate disadvantage for other parts of the Kingdom, the fiscal regime and the tax regulations must be adapted," she pointed out.

Ten Horn noted that these FTZs are also used for the transit of illegal narcotics and other smuggled goods, such as alcohol and cigarettes, as well as for money laundering. Surely in our Kingdom we cannot content ourselves with making agreements about better law enforcement and the fight against serious crime, " she said "Shouldn't we also be discussing getting rid of the causes of such, such as these free trade zones?"

Secretary Bijleveld expressed no disagreement with this, and promised to produce a report on the zones and begin a 'Kingdom-wide' discussion of the issue.

http://international.sp.nl/bericht/34704/090521-antilles_free_trade_zones_come_under_scrutiny.html


Morning monkeys :2waver:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 22, 2009, 11:35:01 AM
About time:  (tick tock tick tock)


The Hague to investigate
state of Aruba government


THE HAGUE--Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten is initiating a broad, independent scientific study into the quality and the possible wrong-doings of the Aruban Government.

Bijleveld-Schouten announced this during a meeting with the First Chamber on Tuesday. Various members of the Chamber had voiced their concerns about the maintenance of law and order and good governance on Aruba. Senators reported that during their visit to the island in January this year, they were informed about possible misuse of power by government, corruption and intimidation.

Senator Frank van Kappen of the liberal democratic VVD party explained that the Dutch delegation was approached several times by citizens who said the integrity of Arubas government was lacking. We could not determine whether these accusations were based on the truth or rumours. But it is a fact that these accusations of corruption, nepotism and intimidation came from Arubans of all layers of society, he said.

Seeing that these accusations create tension which adversely affects the relations between the Netherlands and Aruba, Van Kappen suggested initiating an independent study to separate fact from fiction. The Dutch Government in any case should not lean back on this matter, but take the bull by the horns. That is also in the interest of Aruba because a reputation as a safe and well-managed country is crucial for the tourism industry, said Van Kappen.

There is a lot amiss in Aruba, said Senator Marijke Linthorst of the labour party PvdA. There is no compulsory education, the economy is kept largely going by many illegal and underpaid labourers, while a part of the population is unemployed and there are stubborn rumours about corruption. That is not good for the image of Aruba and of the Kingdom, she said.

Linthorst explained that citizens are afraid to voice their criticism publicly and therefore these people should be heard under oath as part of a study. Investigators should also be able to have access to confidential material. Otherwise such a study was of no use, she added.

According to Linthorst, the study was crucial to determine whether there was truth to the accusations and reports. There are two possibilities: the rumours are correct and corruption is tackled, or the rumours are incorrect and the accusations are refuted for once and for all, she said.

State Secretary Bijleveld-Schouten said she shared the concerns of the Senators. The state of governance is a point of concern, she said, announcing that she would be discussing a memo on this issue with the Second Chamber next Wednesday. The Second Chamber had asked for a memo on the state of affairs on Aruba earlier this year.

Bijleveld-Schouten said a more in-depth study was necessary, a scientific study comparable to the study by the Dutch scientific research centre WODC on St. Maarten. But the study should not take as long as the one about St. Maarten which took some three years to be completed. She said this study had to be done at a faster pace and should take about half a year to complete.

Bijleveld-Schouten agreed with Senator Linthorst that all information should surface and she said she would look at the possibility to have people heard under oath. The majority of the factions in the First Chamber expressed their support for the study and were happy to note that the State Secretary was taking the situation in Aruba seriously.

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http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m004/arubam004.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 22, 2009, 12:00:46 PM
Pressure coming from all sides: ::MonkeyDevil::

Tax haven crackdown to hit offshore financial centres

The number of offshore financial centres could shrink by half within the next five years as the worldwide crackdown on tax havens gathers pace, according to a prominent Jersey-based financial lobbyist.

Geoff Cook, chief executive of Jersey Finance, a promotional body representing the financial services industry on the Channel Island, said: It is not inconceivable to think that the number of offshore finance centres could fall by half in the next few years.

Cook was responding to a question on the future of offshore centres at a conference hosted by Jersey Finance in London last week. The Paris-based Organisation of for Economic Co-operation and Development lists 38 jurisdictions as tax havens.

These include Jersey, the Cayman Islands and Liechtenstein, and less well-known and small jurisdictions such as the Caribbean islands of Aruba and Montserrat and Nauru in the Pacific.

Cook and others reckon smaller offshore centres will feel pressure to meet increasingly tougher regulatory and disclosure rules from international organisations and governments demanding greater transparency.

Tax havens are being forced to sign anti-secrecy agreements, or face possible sanctions from G20 countries. An estimated $7 trillion (5.2 trillion) of assets are held offshore and, according to pressure group Tax Justice Network, developed countries lose $180bn a year in evaded taxes.

Jay Krause, a partner at law firm Withers, said: The next stage of development in international information sharing in tax matters will likely focus on establishing automatic information exchange between jurisdictions.

Such procedures may in practice be challenging for some of the smaller offshore centres to implement. Currently, Most offshore centres only disclose information on accounts when there is a specific request from another country that has signed a tax information exchange agreement with the tax haven.

Krause added that smaller offshore centres will also struggle to attract the required talent to defend themselves against regulatory pressures.


http://www.wealth-bulletin.com/home/content/105421554



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 22, 2009, 12:09:02 PM
Thanks, Helen Back.     ::MonkeyCool::

Hello to all. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 12:17:30 PM
Pressure coming from all sides: ::MonkeyDevil::

Tax haven crackdown to hit offshore financial centres

The number of offshore financial centres could shrink by half within the next five years as the worldwide crackdown on tax havens gathers pace, according to a prominent Jersey-based financial lobbyist.

Geoff Cook, chief executive of Jersey Finance, a promotional body representing the financial services industry on the Channel Island, said: It is not inconceivable to think that the number of offshore finance centres could fall by half in the next few years.

Cook was responding to a question on the future of offshore centres at a conference hosted by Jersey Finance in London last week. The Paris-based Organisation of for Economic Co-operation and Development lists 38 jurisdictions as tax havens.

These include Jersey, the Cayman Islands and Liechtenstein, and less well-known and small jurisdictions such as the Caribbean islands of Aruba and Montserrat and Nauru in the Pacific.

Cook and others reckon smaller offshore centres will feel pressure to meet increasingly tougher regulatory and disclosure rules from international organisations and governments demanding greater transparency.

Tax havens are being forced to sign anti-secrecy agreements, or face possible sanctions from G20 countries. An estimated $7 trillion (5.2 trillion) of assets are held offshore and, according to pressure group Tax Justice Network, developed countries lose $180bn a year in evaded taxes.

Jay Krause, a partner at law firm Withers, said: The next stage of development in international information sharing in tax matters will likely focus on establishing automatic information exchange between jurisdictions.

Such procedures may in practice be challenging for some of the smaller offshore centres to implement. Currently, Most offshore centres only disclose information on accounts when there is a specific request from another country that has signed a tax information exchange agreement with the tax haven.

Krause added that smaller offshore centres will also struggle to attract the required talent to defend themselves against regulatory pressures.


http://www.wealth-bulletin.com/home/content/105421554



I hope that Aruba struggles BIG TIME.........Paulus may just get his come uppance from the WHOLE WORLD,so to speak... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 01:13:22 PM
The Hague to investigate
state of Aruba government


.....

 There is a lot amiss in Aruba, said Senator Marijke Linthorst of the labour party PvdA. There is no compulsory education, the economy is kept largely going by many illegal and underpaid labourers, while a part of the population is unemployed and there are stubborn rumours about corruption. That is not good for the image of Aruba and of the Kingdom, she said.

Linthorst explained that citizens are afraid to voice their criticism publicly and therefore these people should be heard under oath as part of a study. Investigators should also be able to have access to confidential material. Otherwise such a study was of no use, she added


.....

Bijleveld-Schouten agreed with Senator Linthorst that all information should surface and she said she would look at the possibility to have people heard under oath. The majority of the factions in the First Chamber expressed their support for the study and were happy to note that the State Secretary was taking the situation in Aruba seriously.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m004/arubam004.html

There are often calls from individual members of the Dutch parliament to investigate wrongdoings encompassing the Aruban administration but ... it never happens.  Aruba can be assured that the Dutch will continue to appease ... not challenge ... as long as Aruban politicians are thisclose with Chavez/Venezuela.

Think about it.  The Dutch investigation into the Aruban investigation which was headed by John Remkes must not have revealed any signs of wrongdoing in the Natalee Holloway case.  I find this very suspicious when it is considered that the Dutch investigators had full access to case files.

Think about it.  Dutch minister John Remkes opposed a motion by Aruban Justice minister Rudy Croes to investigate how the relationship between Jan vander Straaten and Paulus van der Sloot may have hindered the outcome of the Natalee Holloway case.

Think about it.   When Hero Brinkman referred to Aruba as "Corrupt as Hell".  He was shot down by most members of the Dutch Parliamnent.

Janet

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RUDY CROES

Probe into beginning phase Holloway-case
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12-12-2008

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The Aruban minister of justice Rudy Croes will start an independent study probe in the investigation at beginning stage of the Holloway-case. That has confirmed by the Minister Friday. The preparations have been already made.
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Minister Croes accused last week the Dutch police force commissioner Jan van der Starten of seriously impeding the investigation at the beginning stages into American teenager in 2005. Van der Straten allegedly wanted to help his friend Paul van der Sloot with protecting his son Joran, who was suspected to have been involved with the disappearance of American girl.

.State Secretary Ank Bijleveld (kingdom relations), who assumes the charge is not correct, said Thursday that she wanted an immediate probe into the charge of the Arubans minister. She finds it strange that the minister comes only now just with the accusation. The Netherlands is ready to help with the investigation if necessary. Croes says he is not starting the probe because of her demand. I do not need an instruction."

The PVV in vain insisted Thursday at the meeting of the Parliamentary Committee Antillian and Arubaanse Affairs (NAAZ) on that the Dutch Kingdom Federal Bureau of Internal Investigation examines the charges. The party stood alone with this proposal in the Second Chamber. VVD Johan Remkes explained why he voted against the motion: he does not consider the Aruban minister as the most reliable source of inspiration'.

Croes was also critical on the Dutch government. According to the minister it has been asked at the time to conceal as much as possibe that Joran is Dutchman. He had appear as much as possible as a Aruban. That had a Dutch minister Minister - I will not say who requested, according to Croes.

Bijleveld recognise this criticism. According to her the Netherlands has all possible ways has granted support to the investigation, which was conducted under the guidance of the ALE on Aruba.

PVV-motions

During the meeting of the commission NAAZ the PVV submitted three other motions, which were all defeated. PVV-spokesman Hero Brinkman wanted with the motions to prevent that the Netherlands would contribute to the debt cleansing on the Antilles or would only want to start with this before the general Court of Auditors had looked into this. Also the demand by Brinkman to hold a referundum about the Kingdom restructering in the Netherlands did not find a sympathetic ear in the Chamber.

A motion of SP-Member of Parliament Raak waa, however, adopted. In this he asks the Dutch government clear up what is the future of the special economic areas in other words, tax paradises, on the BES-islands. State Secretary Bijleveld comes in January with new tax laws for the islands. The SP is against tax advantages for companies, which do not contribute to the societ

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/kort-nieuws/car20081212_ANP-vdstraten-croes

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 01:22:45 PM
EDIT:

There are often calls from individual members of the Dutch parliament to investigate wrongdoings encompassing the Aruban administration but ... it never happens.  Aruba can be assured that the Dutch will continue to appease ... not challenge ... as long as Aruban politicians are thisclose with Chavez/Venezuela ... as long as Dutch and Aruban as thisclose in matters encompassing corruption.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 01:27:28 PM
The following transcript of a Greta interview with Hero Brinkman is an excellent read.  Brinkman tells it how it is in regards to the corrupt Aruban investigation that has denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen for almost four years.
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Dutch Official: Aruban Holloway Investigators 'Corrupt as Hell'
Tuesday, December 09, 2008

On the Record w/ Greta


Transcript
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,464065,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 01:46:05 PM
LOGIC DICATES JANET..It's a DOG & PONY SHOW outta the Netherlands..How many Businesses and dirty contracts has Paulus set up for the politicians of The Netherlands???Me thinks he has more then few in his pocket...whatta ya think??? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
           THE PERSISTENCE AND THE CONTINUED COVER-UP IS WHERE IT'S AT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 02:32:40 PM
LOGIC DICATES JANET..It's a DOG & PONY SHOW outta the Netherlands..How many Businesses and dirty contracts has Paulus set up for the politicians of The Netherlands???Me thinks he has more then few in his pocket...whatta ya think??? ::MonkeyCool::


Beth Holloway know who is behind the Aruban coverup into the disappearance of her daughter ... the Hague.

Think about it.  Aruba's response to the letter from Natalee's mother, stepfather, father and stepmother ... the letter requesting a change in the investigation team ... implied that the request would have to be forwarded to Holland.

Janet

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On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  The case has been totally mishandled.  I knew that early on that Croes and Janssen had butted heads about Janssen mishandling of the case.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: We're saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


On the Record w / Greta - November 9, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right and just so that the viewers, I understand what you're talking about, you got a letter in which it explained what the Arubans said to you that The Hague has been calling the shots, is that right, in the investigation?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Yes, they're saying, in the letter it states that the Aruban government has no authority to intervene in the investigation.

Now then why have we been running around on the island submitting written and verbal requests for help from the governor, from the minister of justice, the prime minister? I mean the list is endless, Greta.

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175101,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 02:37:22 PM
LOGIC DICATES JANET..It's a DOG & PONY SHOW outta the Netherlands..How many Businesses and dirty contracts has Paulus set up for the politicians of The Netherlands???Me thinks he has more then few in his pocket...whatta ya think??? ::MonkeyCool::


Beth Holloway know who is behind the Aruban coverup into the disappearance of her daughter ... the Hague.

Think about it.  Aruba's response to the letter from Natalee's mother, stepfather, father and stepmother ... the letter requesting a change in the investigation team ... implied that the request would have to be forwarded to Holland.

Janet

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On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  The case has been totally mishandled.  I knew that early on that Croes and Janssen had butted heads about Janssen mishandling of the case.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: We're saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


On the Record w / Greta - November 9, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right and just so that the viewers, I understand what you're talking about, you got a letter in which it explained what the Arubans said to you that The Hague has been calling the shots, is that right, in the investigation?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Yes, they're saying, in the letter it states that the Aruban government has no authority to intervene in the investigation.

Now then why have we been running around on the island submitting written and verbal requests for help from the governor, from the minister of justice, the prime minister? I mean the list is endless, Greta.

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175101,00.html

LOGIC DITATES...Aruba is the Netherlands Laundry room with a wonderful WASHING MACHINE INCLUDED.....Paulus Van Der Sloot & Co.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 03:19:08 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: Happy 3-day weekend Natalee's Advocates!  ::MonkeyDance::

Please if you would take a moment to visit this thread and check out what we are doing for Amber DuBois.  Her family posts here regularly and we are emailing the media heads to get Ambers story out in the media.  (Its all there for you, just click and copy/paste)

Thanks so very very very much!!
Dolce

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.460


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 03:30:42 PM
The vountary boycott was called in regards to travel to Aruba but ... Beth went much further in her interview with Geraldo.

Janet

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Geraldo At Large - August 12, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Oh, yes, Geraldo. You know when I heard you state that Joran is still stating that he had no involvement with her disappearance but something that Jug and Dave, Natalees father and I have had knowledge of since early in July, so we have Jorans statements. We have had them translated for us, and we have at least five. You know, Geraldo, what has been so difficult for us is that we have had this knowledge that Joran has admitted to having sex with Natalee at his home as she is coming in and out of consciousness.  You know we have protected the integrity of the investigation because we felt that was the professional way to handle this but you know when we have been slapped in the face by the Dutch government.

Geraldo, thats why we were so shocked on Sept. 1st because even the Dutch interrogators that have knowledge of these statements, the lists of inconsistencies are there, the reasonable doubt is there. We were just truly shocked that the sudden release of these suspects.  We just can not fathom how this has happened and how rape is not a crime within the Dutch government.

I think that we have had so many millions of people that have supported us in prayer and have sent of cards and emails.  The main thing that we would like to ask right now is to please, please just consider not traveling to Aruba or within the Dutch Kingdom and territory until Natalee is returned to her country, because they can absolutely make this happen, Geraldo.

You know if we did not feel that they knew exactly where she was we would not be seeking this, but we have been slapped in the face by the present government that is in place that its just hard for us not to begin to make this request now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 03:43:30 PM
Monkeys and Lurkers and Guests...it is not enough to sit here and read and post all day long if you are not willing to do something as simple as sending an email or post a comment requesting that media attention be brought to these cases.  It takes only a moment of your time to help save a childs entire life. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg816870#msg816870


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 05:20:01 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56939.php

Timber controversial afvalproject Parkietenbos

May 22, 2009, 15:58 (GMT -04:00)

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Minister Booshi Wever shows the sachets fluff to the press during the timber of waste treatment plant in Parkietenbos.
ORANGE CITY - "This project has cost me almost my career. If not could, then I certainly have resigned. "Candelario Minister 'Booshi" Wever of Health, Environmental, Administrative and Immigration also Wednesday from his heart not murder codend. Proudly he led members of the media around in the hall still under construction, the new waste treatment plant in Parkietenbos.

by Arin Rasmijn

The timber of the controversial government project is in any case achieved. And that is cause for celebration, with beer, soft drinks and chicken legs for the builders and the few guests, including Art Oxley, project leader on behalf of Bouldin & Lawson, lawyer and former minister Hendrik Croes, Party Chairman and State President Arends Junior Mervin Wyatt-Ras. Wever Booshi points to one of the machines that are already in place. "Here is a patent on this machine does exactly what is the secret of Bouldin & Lawson. Should it go wrong with the company then owned by the government. Call it a kind of insurance. "The camera shows Wever two bags with the final products of the waste, known as fluff and its compressed capsules. "The capsules can also be generated energy. And it is strong building material. Outside my office is a bench that has been made. "This was the Minister a short speech in which he indicated satisfaction with the progress around the waste treatment plant, after so many setbacks.

Fluff
Jonathan Tromp, project manager on behalf of subcontractor Albo shows a map with the plan of how the machines in the hall will be. To see how garbage through several treadmills are broken down and incinerated. The result is fluff, a material that is far removed from that crumbled insulation and Tromp in different ways can be reused. "When you stop in the ground it is even better than chemical fertilizer," said Tromp.

Tromp says that since the delivery by July 17 50 percent of all waste on the island, household and commercial, installation will be processed. "When fully operational, then it may even be 90 percent."
The mountain now Parkietenbos waste is not processed. "Was it so that we could go process, but that waste is mixed with sand and that the machines can not handle."
According to Tromp, this is the first time that such an installation on a large scale is being built. "We are the first in the world so great things. Should the project go well then the other countries over. The Netherlands has already interested. I hope very much that this project is not for political purposes. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 05:29:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56960.php

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05222009_Amigoe_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 22, 2009, 05:38:36 PM
Thanks for the article, Texasmom. ::MonkeyWink::

Helen Back


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 05:40:12 PM
Aruba

Croes includes research on role of Ministers in government salaries of judges

May 22, 2009, 15:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The official consultation on the new establishment of the Common Court of Justice is deadlocked. The Aruban delegation consultations in recent days on the island took place, early exit. Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) has been informed that the Netherlands wants an investigation into corruption, he also called for an investigation to the State Cabinet.

It is Aruba a few years high that the Antilles' unilateral 'the salaries of judges and members of the Public Prosecutor (OM) has increased. This happened to a country decides not by existing cooperation arrangements change. In this Cooperation Arrangement between the Antilles and Aruba is currently the Common Court of Justice regularly. The Antilles Aruba had the country decides on the salaries can not enter because it has not been approved by the Kingdom Government, as the procedure requires. Croes has already been raised when his Dutch colleague, Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin. "The Netherlands has now all the time on an investigation into corruption here. I say let an investigation into the role of the State Ministers to the salaries of judges and members of the OM. Why this has not been seized while in breach of the rules. This unilateral decision as Aruba has also given many problems. "The Minister refers to the trials of the former Attorney-General (PG) Theresa Croes Fernandes claimed that earlier agreements with the Aruban government which she was entitled to the same as the Antillean PG.

The Cooperation Arrangement hold on to the West are now being dismantled. It is governed by a rijkswet whose concept at the Council of State is located. Aruba was in the Government Ministers do not agree with the law because it is the seat of the new Court claims. It says there claim to have been 23 years since an independent country as opposed to the new country Curaao. The State Cabinet took the rijkswet however, on the basis of Article 43, second paragraph of the Statute. A leaked report by the Council of State found this not to be positive about this state of affairs.

The project Justice, Law and Constitutional Affairs (PRRC) which this week met in Curacao, was on official level tried to move closer together on the rijkswet. The Aruban delegation walked out, however, early discussions because Croes positions too far apart. "Curaao the Court would not let go. Rest our little else that the CFI (Court of First Instance, red) of Aruba is an autonomous body that the CFI and the Court of the other countries together. We are for a procedure, but now appears to want Curaao not. They fear that the Lower House in this way through the BES islands will control too much. "Croes said that Aruba does not share these fears. "We say, the procedural rule in rijkswet and care for a Kingdom-wide organization for the judiciary."

The Justice Minister says that Aruba is currently still want a say in the PRRC. "But if our current proposal on the CFI is not accepted as a starting point, then we are talking. Decommissioning is perhaps the priority of the Antilles, but not of the MEP, are the elections. Otherwise we should wait with the process until after the elections. Because MEP is no autonomy. "
 

Letter corruption investigation

A majority of the Upper House of the week indicated a wish to research abuses in the Aruban government. The Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) has already promised an investigation. Previously, there was that the non-governmental organization International Transparancy run wild. Now, the State Scientific Research and Documentation on the study.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has sent a letter to Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in which he suggests that one in three are in the kingdom whose constitution the Statute, all kinds of rules. He then asks the Netherlands to the rules. That means in the case of the investigation into corruption in Aruba, that the Kingdom Government purpose mandate it. Moreover, assuming that Bijleveld Aruba cooperating in such investigations. The Secretary of State, in June a visit to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 05:41:42 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56937.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Croes includes research on role of Ministers in government salaries of judges

May 22, 2009, 15:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The official consultation on the new establishment of the Common Court of Justice is deadlocked. The Aruban delegation consultations in recent days on the island took place, early exit. Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) has been informed that the Netherlands wants an investigation into corruption, he also called for an investigation to the State Cabinet.

It is Aruba a few years high that the Antilles' unilateral 'the salaries of judges and members of the Public Prosecutor (OM) has increased. This happened to a country decides not by existing cooperation arrangements change. In this Cooperation Arrangement between the Antilles and Aruba is currently the Common Court of Justice regularly. The Antilles Aruba had the country decides on the salaries can not enter because it has not been approved by the Kingdom Government, as the procedure requires. Croes has already been raised when his Dutch colleague, Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin. "The Netherlands has now all the time on an investigation into corruption here. I say let an investigation into the role of the State Ministers to the salaries of judges and members of the OM. Why this has not been seized while in breach of the rules. This unilateral decision as Aruba has also given many problems. "The Minister refers to the trials of the former Attorney-General (PG) Theresa Croes Fernandes claimed that earlier agreements with the Aruban government which she was entitled to the same as the Antillean PG.

The Cooperation Arrangement hold on to the West are now being dismantled. It is governed by a rijkswet whose concept at the Council of State is located. Aruba was in the Government Ministers do not agree with the law because it is the seat of the new Court claims. It says there claim to have been 23 years since an independent country as opposed to the new country Curaao. The State Cabinet took the rijkswet however, on the basis of Article 43, second paragraph of the Statute. A leaked report by the Council of State found this not to be positive about this state of affairs.

The project Justice, Law and Constitutional Affairs (PRRC) which this week met in Curacao, was on official level tried to move closer together on the rijkswet. The Aruban delegation walked out, however, early discussions because Croes positions too far apart. "Curaao the Court would not let go. Rest our little else that the CFI (Court of First Instance, red) of Aruba is an autonomous body that the CFI and the Court of the other countries together. We are for a procedure, but now appears to want Curaao not. They fear that the Lower House in this way through the BES islands will control too much. "Croes said that Aruba does not share these fears. "We say, the procedural rule in rijkswet and care for a Kingdom-wide organization for the judiciary."

The Justice Minister says that Aruba is currently still want a say in the PRRC. "But if our current proposal on the CFI is not accepted as a starting point, then we are talking. Decommissioning is perhaps the priority of the Antilles, but not of the MEP, are the elections. Otherwise we should wait with the process until after the elections. Because MEP is no autonomy. "
 

Letter corruption investigation

A majority of the Upper House of the week indicated a wish to research abuses in the Aruban government. The Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) has already promised an investigation. Previously, there was that the non-governmental organization International Transparancy run wild. Now, the State Scientific Research and Documentation on the study.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has sent a letter to Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in which he suggests that one in three are in the kingdom whose constitution the Statute, all kinds of rules. He then asks the Netherlands to the rules. That means in the case of the investigation into corruption in Aruba, that the Kingdom Government purpose mandate it. Moreover, assuming that Bijleveld Aruba cooperating in such investigations. The Secretary of State, in June a visit to Aruba.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
Thanks for the article, Texasmom. ::MonkeyWink::

Helen Back

You're welcome Helen Back!  Thanks for the ones you posted this morning!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 05:46:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56935.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Smugglers to court

May 22, 2009, 15:53 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Eight men who were arrested last August on suspicion of large-scale cocaine smuggling to the Netherlands, were in court last Wednesday. The police in the Netherlands then took almost 20 kilos of cocaine hidden in the attachment that was in the side walls of the carts in which the airplane food and drink is distributed. Also in the Netherlands were seven arrests.

Three of the suspects who on Wednesday for the right answer had been working for the catering company that was responsible for the carts. They would florin 50,000 per car as payment for their share of the smuggling. Remained unclear, how often exactly the smuggling has taken place.

The first suspect was the only one going, another defendant said that three times drugs were hidden in carts. With their contradictory statements the defendants raised the irritation of the court. The prosecutor reminded the suspects to previous statements in which they claimed that the smuggling more than three times has taken place. Also be heard calls shows that there is more than three times cocaine is transported.

The number of food carts per flight of drugs was provided was also a contentious point. The suspects would only be a cart at a time. The officer has "strong indications" that the two carts at a time would go. The handling of the case was such that the court at noon, the progress of the process at a later date to resume.

The investigation of drug trafficking began in February 2008. The Search Team Collaboration on Aruba worked with the National Investigation Service of the Netherlands National Police, the Royal Military Police and the customs at Schiphol. In October 2008 was also confiscated about five kilos of cocaine hidden in a laptop bag Saturday. A further two kilos of cocaine Saturday at another opportunity between bin in an airplane clogged.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 22, 2009, 06:00:40 PM

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billb
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1920 on: May 17, 2009, 12:24:45 AM  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374)

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Things that popped out to me the last day based on reading wise monkey discussions......
Going back to the night of May 30th and following days before/during the organization of the coverup aruba machine....what happened...
MHO....
paulass in casino with urine...targeting Natalee
C&C setup commissioned by paulass.....executed by j2k pimps ....date rape drug (happened 20 times before)
party at sloots.....(MN DAD..paulass is your perp)
something bad happened...your own father (D to J)
urine hits Natalee with an aluminum bat (viet vet- asst schoolmaster)
Natalee keeps falling until she isn't falling anymore (freddie - knows the truth)
urine says Natalee drowned...wanted to see sharks....rocks videos....shallow grave....lighthouse)
Natalee was hurt/killed at the sloots.....taken to see the sharks (initial disposal attempt..shallow grave...then dumped in ocean but washed up a couple days later) paulass keeping eye on things and discovered Natalee washed up....rock scene.....(machette stolen from fish huts - cage maybe?).. What to do with Natalee's remains now?
fast forward to persistence search......crab cage found with human remains...american traitors.....
aruba completes coverup? Obvious to ME that someone was in the cage that aruba doesn't want exposed...
Need to keep cranking away at the persistence and aruba to find the truth....
We ain't going away...
Suck on That aruba..40 years....
how's that tourism thing going for yous.......



Hi Monkeys!

I'm on page 97 of the last thread getting caught up. I was gone 7 days and have 57 pages to read!

Anyway, I had to bring this post over to cheer it.

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

It bears repeating, billb!  Very nice. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 06:01:11 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56933.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Taxi robber sentenced

May 22, 2009, 15:50 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Montero and Silva, two of the four suspects in a series of brutal taxi robberies last Wednesday morning were sentenced to respectively two and three years in prison. One year less than the Public Prosecutor (OM) had demanded. The court has decided not to assess the other two suspects. Their case is reopened to hear witnesses.

The four violent robberies took place in October and November last year. Firearms were at the head of the drivers and put them were quite abused. Besides the taxi robberies, the suspects also accused of a robbery at United Dinner and a house in Madiki where weapons and violence was used.  

Montero has been convicted of complicity in the robbery at United Dinner. Montero has - in their own words - just before lookout and did not know that his criminal companions were armed. The judge did not believe that he knew nothing of the weapons, as he with them in the car Saturday. The use of violence and the threat of a firearm, even though it appeared to an air gun to go to court was an aggravating factor. Even as the brutal attacks much turmoil in society took effect. The fact that Montero never for such a crime is convicted was considered in determining the penalty. Eventually he got two instead of three years imprisonment with deduction of pre-trial detention imposed. Montero should cooperate with others or just the stolen money from United Dinner, over 2000 florin back pay.

While Silva denies everything, the court considers that Silva really involved in the robbery at United Dinner. He was the one with the weapon, said the court. Also the taxi robberies Silva was the judge present and aware of the plans. All this makes him an accomplice to armed robbery and earned him three years imprisonment for less judgment. He is responsible for the repayment of the stolen 2000 florin.

The court wanted before a decision would do about the other two suspects, initially more clarity. One of the suspects would have stated that he has signed a deal with the police. In exchange for the confession of certain crimes were his mother and girlfriend free account. For clarity here to get some witnesses, the court heard. Furthermore, the court more information on specific attacks. The pair is respectively ten and five years in prison over the head. On June 2, the further handling of the case and the witnesses heard.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 06:10:30 PM

Quote
billb
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1920 on: May 17, 2009, 12:24:45 AM  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374)

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Things that popped out to me the last day based on reading wise monkey discussions......
Going back to the night of May 30th and following days before/during the organization of the coverup aruba machine....what happened...
MHO....
paulass in casino with urine...targeting Natalee
C&C setup commissioned by paulass.....executed by j2k pimps ....date rape drug (happened 20 times before)
party at sloots.....(MN DAD..paulass is your perp)
something bad happened...your own father (D to J)
urine hits Natalee with an aluminum bat (viet vet- asst schoolmaster)
Natalee keeps falling until she isn't falling anymore (freddie - knows the truth)
urine says Natalee drowned...wanted to see sharks....rocks videos....shallow grave....lighthouse)
Natalee was hurt/killed at the sloots.....taken to see the sharks (initial disposal attempt..shallow grave...then dumped in ocean but washed up a couple days later) paulass keeping eye on things and discovered Natalee washed up....rock scene.....(machette stolen from fish huts - cage maybe?).. What to do with Natalee's remains now?
fast forward to persistence search......crab cage found with human remains...american traitors.....
aruba completes coverup? Obvious to ME that someone was in the cage that aruba doesn't want exposed...
Need to keep cranking away at the persistence and aruba to find the truth....
We ain't going away...
Suck on That aruba..40 years....
how's that tourism thing going for yous.......



Hi Monkeys!

I'm on page 97 of the last thread getting caught up. I was gone 7 days and have 57 pages to read!

Anyway, I had to bring this post over to cheer it.

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

It bears repeating, billb!  Very nice. 


Welcome back Lifesong!  You have been missed!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you for bringing billb's post forward!  Great post, and definitely worth repeating!   ::MonkeyDance::


Paulus is your perp!


http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2007/12/paulus-van-der-sloot-rapist-and.html

Tuesday, December 04, 2007
Paulus van der sloot: Rapist and Murderer


Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/


Superior Court
January, 2007

The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I dont think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

-------------------------------------------------------

Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 12, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh -- oh, it`s a very critical detail. And the night that we arrived on the island -- you know, Jug does not misinterpret a 4:00 AM time pickup to 11:00 PM. I mean, Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

posted by Deetch at 4:12 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 06:15:04 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/KermitsSloot4.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 22, 2009, 06:51:42 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/KermitsSloot4.jpg)

::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Mary Ann on May 22, 2009, 07:08:56 PM
Ren-ho is on Jane Valez Mitchell doing damage control....................


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 22, 2009, 07:17:20 PM
Ren-ho is on Jane Valez Mitchell doing damage control....................

Thanks Mary Ann!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 07:48:58 PM
Ren-ho is on Jane Valez Mitchell doing damage control....................
damage control of what??  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 09:00:38 PM
Ren-ho is on Jane Valez Mitchell doing damage control....................
damage control of what??  ::MonkeyConfused::
Didn't mean anything by my comment -- I just did not hear what she was commenting on and WHY she was on!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 09:10:42 PM
Hi wreck! What's up?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 09:11:14 PM
Not much, thanks for asking!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on May 22, 2009, 09:19:29 PM
Hi  Wreck.....that was funny.
It's been a very long time since we have spoken. How are you?

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 09:24:15 PM
Hi  Wreck.....that was funny.
It's been a very long time since we have spoken. How are you?

pb
Great! And you??

I guess people are out celebrating the long weekend! (I have to work a bit tomorrow!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 22, 2009, 09:50:17 PM
Hi  Wreck.....that was funny.
It's been a very long time since we have spoken. How are you?

pb
Great! And you??

I guess people are out celebrating the long weekend! (I have to work a bit tomorrow!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm here.  I'm not ignoring you.  Just didn't have much to say.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 09:53:50 PM
Hi  Wreck.....that was funny.
It's been a very long time since we have spoken. How are you?

pb
Great! And you??

I guess people are out celebrating the long weekend! (I have to work a bit tomorrow!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wreck

Americans are all attempting to cross the border into Canada for the long weekend and ... are creating huge lineups.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hubby and I were waiting for DIL's Dutch American parents to arrive at our home for a barbeque dinner and ... maybe a movie or bowling later.  They live just on the other side of the line ... a normally 30 minute drive tops.  Steaks and teriyaki chicken were all ready for the grill.  However ... we received a call about an hour ago ago from them to inform us that were turning back and going home.  They claimed it would be time to head back home by the time they arrived.  We looked at all this food we prepared and ... decided to invite some friends.  They should be here any minute.

Have a nice long weekend Monkeys.  Stay safe.

Janet
6:53 PM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 10:02:12 PM
Hi  Wreck.....that was funny.
It's been a very long time since we have spoken. How are you?

pb
Great! And you??

I guess people are out celebrating the long weekend! (I have to work a bit tomorrow!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wreck

Americans are all attempting to cross the border into Canada for the long weekend and ... are creating huge lineups.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hubby and I were waiting for DIL's Dutch American parents to arrive at our home for a barbeque dinner and ... maybe a movie or bowling later.  They live just on the other side of the line ... a normally 30 minute drive tops.  Steaks and teriyaki chicken were all ready for the grill.  However ... we received a call about an hour ago ago from them to inform us that were turning back and going home.  They claimed it would be time to head back home by the time they arrived.  We looked at all this food we prepared and ... decided to invite some friends.  They should be here any minute.

Have a nice long weekend Monkeys.  Stay safe.

Janet
6:53 PM


I've been to Vancouver a few times -- most beautiful city in North America! I know why everyone wants to get up there!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 22, 2009, 10:11:48 PM
Hi  Wreck.....that was funny.
It's been a very long time since we have spoken. How are you?

pb
Great! And you??

I guess people are out celebrating the long weekend! (I have to work a bit tomorrow!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wreck

Americans are all attempting to cross the border into Canada for the long weekend and ... are creating huge lineups.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hubby and I were waiting for DIL's Dutch American parents to arrive at our home for a barbeque dinner and ... maybe a movie or bowling later.  They live just on the other side of the line ... a normally 30 minute drive tops.  Steaks and teriyaki chicken were all ready for the grill.  However ... we received a call about an hour ago ago from them to inform us that were turning back and going home.  They claimed it would be time to head back home by the time they arrived.  We looked at all this food we prepared and ... decided to invite some friends.  They should be here any minute.

Have a nice long weekend Monkeys.  Stay safe.

Janet
6:53 PM


I've been to Vancouver a few times -- most beautiful city in North America! I know why everyone wants to get up there!

I did hear on the news that the hotels in Vancouver were all booked this weekend.  Vancouver is a beautiful city.  Lots to do.  There is word famous Stanley park ... gas town ... Capilano canyon ... Grouse ski lift ... a two hour scenic drive along the upper levels to Whistler ...

However ... driving east instead of west ... the Interior of British Columbia is also a destination for Americans on their holiday weekend in both winter and summer.  Weather is so predicable.  In the winter there is snowboarding on the local mounts.  In the summer ... lots of lakes with their related activities ... houseboating ... water skiing ... seadooing ... camping ....

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 22, 2009, 11:11:43 PM
Ren-ho is on Jane Valez Mitchell doing damage control....................
damage control of what??  ::MonkeyConfused::
Didn't mean anything by my comment -- I just did not hear what she was commenting on and WHY she was on!

Passing through on my way to nitey nite.

Hey Wreck, if you're still here.......I caught a few minutes of JVM tonight.  It was a rerun of the show "Crimes that changed America" featuring Natalee's story, Elizabeth Smart, etc. 

I don't know why they always interview the RentaHo, but in that interview, she was particularly shrill.  Maybe you saw it the first time around.

Helen Back



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
Ren-ho is on Jane Valez Mitchell doing damage control....................
damage control of what??  ::MonkeyConfused::
Didn't mean anything by my comment -- I just did not hear what she was commenting on and WHY she was on!

Passing through on my way to nitey nite.

Hey Wreck, if you're still here.......I caught a few minutes of JVM tonight.  It was a rerun of the show "Crimes that changed America" featuring Natalee's story, Elizabeth Smart, etc. 

I don't know why they always interview the RentaHo, but in that interview, she was particularly shrill.  Maybe you saw it the first time around.

Helen Back


Thanks..... it sounds familiar!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 22, 2009, 11:34:03 PM

Quote
billb
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1920 on: May 17, 2009, 12:24:45 AM  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374)

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Things that popped out to me the last day based on reading wise monkey discussions......
Going back to the night of May 30th and following days before/during the organization of the coverup aruba machine....what happened...
MHO....
paulass in casino with urine...targeting Natalee
C&C setup commissioned by paulass.....executed by j2k pimps ....date rape drug (happened 20 times before)
party at sloots.....(MN DAD..paulass is your perp)
something bad happened...your own father (D to J)
urine hits Natalee with an aluminum bat (viet vet- asst schoolmaster)
Natalee keeps falling until she isn't falling anymore (freddie - knows the truth)
urine says Natalee drowned...wanted to see sharks....rocks videos....shallow grave....lighthouse)
Natalee was hurt/killed at the sloots.....taken to see the sharks (initial disposal attempt..shallow grave...then dumped in ocean but washed up a couple days later) paulass keeping eye on things and discovered Natalee washed up....rock scene.....(machette stolen from fish huts - cage maybe?).. What to do with Natalee's remains now?
fast forward to persistence search......crab cage found with human remains...american traitors.....
aruba completes coverup? Obvious to ME that someone was in the cage that aruba doesn't want exposed...
Need to keep cranking away at the persistence and aruba to find the truth....
We ain't going away...
Suck on That aruba..40 years....
how's that tourism thing going for yous.......



Hi Monkeys!

I'm on page 97 of the last thread getting caught up. I was gone 7 days and have 57 pages to read!

Anyway, I had to bring this post over to cheer it.

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

It bears repeating, billb!  Very nice. 

Lifesong...WELCOME BACK!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
You have been missed!
(When anyone came into our house after being gone for a few days, my Dad would always ask them to turn around as soon as he saw them. When they did, he would always say:
Nice to see you're back!)... ::MonkeyRoll::

I have changed my suspected scenarios on what happened to Natalee that night, but I've always believed there is something very sinister with paulass, j2k and the pimps.
That island is full of sex perverts that prey on young tourists (especially Americans) along with their own local children. I think it is sick...but those islanders apparently condone/expect that type of behavior and no longer react like normal civilized people should.
Yes, we have sex crimes in American, but we pursue the perps, not cover up and lie for them.....
Just makes me sick to know they have gotten away with this for so long...... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 22, 2009, 11:48:57 PM

Quote
billb
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1920 on: May 17, 2009, 12:24:45 AM  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374)

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Things that popped out to me the last day based on reading wise monkey discussions......
Going back to the night of May 30th and following days before/during the organization of the coverup aruba machine....what happened...
MHO....AND Aruba has tred
paulass in casino with urine...targeting Natalee
C&C setup commissioned by paulass.....executed by j2k pimps ....date rape drug (happened 20 times before)
party at sloots.....(MN DAD..paulass is your perp)
something bad happened...your own father (D to J)
urine hits Natalee with an aluminum bat (viet vet- asst schoolmaster)
Natalee keeps falling until she isn't falling anymore (freddie - knows the truth)
urine says Natalee drowned...wanted to see sharks....rocks videos....shallow grave....lighthouse)
Natalee was hurt/killed at the sloots.....taken to see the sharks (initial disposal attempt..shallow grave...then dumped in ocean but washed up a couple days later) paulass keeping eye on things and discovered Natalee washed up....rock scene.....(machette stolen from fish huts - cage maybe?).. What to do with Natalee's remains now?
fast forward to persistence search......crab cage found with human remains...american traitors.....
aruba completes coverup? Obvious to ME that someone was in the cage that aruba doesn't want exposed...
Need to keep cranking away at the persistence and aruba to find the truth....
We ain't going away...
Suck on That aruba..40 years....
how's that tourism thing going for yous.......



Hi Monkeys!

I'm on page 97 of the last thread getting caught up. I was gone 7 days and have 57 pages to read!

Anyway, I had to bring this post over to cheer it.

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

It bears repeating, billb!  Very nice. 

Lifesong...WELCOME BACK!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
You have been missed!
(When anyone came into our house after being gone for a few days, my Dad would always ask them to turn around as soon as he saw them. When they did, he would always say:
Nice to see you're back!)... ::MonkeyRoll::

I have changed my suspected scenarios on what happened to Natalee that night, but I've always believed there is something very sinister with paulass, j2k and the pimps.
That island is full of sex perverts that prey on young tourists (especially Americans) along with their own local children. I think it is sick...but those islanders apparently condone/expect that type of behavior and no longer react like normal civilized people should.
Yes, we have sex crimes in American, but we pursue the perps, not cover up and lie for them.....
Just makes me sick to know they have gotten away with this for so long...... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Hey Bb! That is just the thing ---- Aruba has NOT "gotten away" with anything. The whole world KNOWS the cretins are guilty AND Aruba has covered it up. They may escape justice in a court of law, but they are exposed as GUILTY in the world's eyes. KARMA, BABY!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 23, 2009, 12:14:22 AM

Quote
billb
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1920 on: May 17, 2009, 12:24:45 AM  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg809374#msg809374)

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Things that popped out to me the last day based on reading wise monkey discussions......
Going back to the night of May 30th and following days before/during the organization of the coverup aruba machine....what happened...
MHO....AND Aruba has tred
paulass in casino with urine...targeting Natalee
C&C setup commissioned by paulass.....executed by j2k pimps ....date rape drug (happened 20 times before)
party at sloots.....(MN DAD..paulass is your perp)
something bad happened...your own father (D to J)
urine hits Natalee with an aluminum bat (viet vet- asst schoolmaster)
Natalee keeps falling until she isn't falling anymore (freddie - knows the truth)
urine says Natalee drowned...wanted to see sharks....rocks videos....shallow grave....lighthouse)
Natalee was hurt/killed at the sloots.....taken to see the sharks (initial disposal attempt..shallow grave...then dumped in ocean but washed up a couple days later) paulass keeping eye on things and discovered Natalee washed up....rock scene.....(machette stolen from fish huts - cage maybe?).. What to do with Natalee's remains now?
fast forward to persistence search......crab cage found with human remains...american traitors.....
aruba completes coverup? Obvious to ME that someone was in the cage that aruba doesn't want exposed...
Need to keep cranking away at the persistence and aruba to find the truth....
We ain't going away...
Suck on That aruba..40 years....
how's that tourism thing going for yous.......



Hi Monkeys!

I'm on page 97 of the last thread getting caught up. I was gone 7 days and have 57 pages to read!

Anyway, I had to bring this post over to cheer it.

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

It bears repeating, billb!  Very nice. 

Lifesong...WELCOME BACK!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
You have been missed!
(When anyone came into our house after being gone for a few days, my Dad would always ask them to turn around as soon as he saw them. When they did, he would always say:
Nice to see you're back!)... ::MonkeyRoll::

I have changed my suspected scenarios on what happened to Natalee that night, but I've always believed there is something very sinister with paulass, j2k and the pimps.
That island is full of sex perverts that prey on young tourists (especially Americans) along with their own local children. I think it is sick...but those islanders apparently condone/expect that type of behavior and no longer react like normal civilized people should.
Yes, we have sex crimes in American, but we pursue the perps, not cover up and lie for them.....
Just makes me sick to know they have gotten away with this for so long...... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Hey Bb! That is just the thing ---- Aruba has NOT "gotten away" with anything. The whole world KNOWS the cretins are guilty AND Aruba has covered it up. They may escape justice in a court of law, but they are exposed as GUILTY in the world's eyes. KARMA, BABY!!!
Wreck....I agree....
If nothing else, KARMA's got their numbers!  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 23, 2009, 12:15:51 AM
Wreck, your not trying to hook me back into my stacking addiction now, are you?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 23, 2009, 12:19:59 AM
Later wreck and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Have a GREAT MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 12:21:46 AM
Later wreck and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Have a GREAT MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND!

I guess I'm invisible!   ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm here but I'm working on some stuff.   ::MonkeyWink::

Have a great weekend billb! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 23, 2009, 12:30:28 AM
Wreck, your not trying to hook me back into my stacking addiction now, are you?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::
Nothing else to do!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 23, 2009, 12:38:46 AM
Since it is so slow, I am going to paste the link to my new favorite "off topic" site! It is priceless! (I posted this at "musings" a few nights ago!)



http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 23, 2009, 12:50:33 AM
Wreck, your not trying to hook me back into my stacking addiction now, are you?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

No one is responsible for your stacking addiction but yourself, mr.billb...it's a-ok....have a great weekend. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 23, 2009, 12:52:45 AM
Justice for Natalee....that is our wish....let it be, let it be.     ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 02:03:06 AM
                                   JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                    HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY MONKEY'S

                                        STAY SAFE & GOD BLESS

                        WE GOIN NOWHERE UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED




 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 02:03:53 AM
                                   JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                    HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY MONKEY'S

                                        STAY SAFE & GOD BLESS

                        WE GOIN NOWHERE UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED




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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 02:04:42 AM
gOODnIGHt TM...... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 02:27:20 AM
gOODnIGHt TM...... ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night KTF! 
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 02:27:54 AM


Good to see you caesu, hope all is well!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 02:35:59 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.200


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 02:44:27 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2979.220

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.300

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No we don't have an answer yet, a year and four months later....we're still waiting....BUT WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 02:49:10 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.760

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.420

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 02:52:47 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.240

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 03:02:03 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 23, 2009, 08:49:38 AM
Translated

   
Tips drip still within
New prosecutor in Holloway case

by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

WILLEM CITY - The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will soon again be headed by a new prosecutor.



Dutch prosecutors two bites their teeth piece on the disappearance of American teenager in 2005. This summer may third Chief Public Prosecutor will try to research on track. The government in Aruba does not want it for years long investigation is concluded. Still, there are hints within that drop further exploration questions. Also hit the island gradually under the spell of conspiracy theories.

Justice in our country will have two weeks to announce that Aruba 'lent' principal officer Hans Mos may leave the island. He will, at his own request, is expected to function abroad.

Press

Chief Prosecutor Mos was the case two years ago over his predecessor Karin Jansen, who was in conflict was concerned with the Aruban Minister of Justice. Also it was under great pressure from American media. Mos was initially in January if the investigation closed, but was forced by new tips the search work to continue. He says its request: "The file Holloway I to my successor. If it is closed again, the later with a new tip be reopened." The strengthening of the Holloway investigation is not separated from the great pressure from the U.S. media. Recently, a beagle flown for new inquiries, which do not either. Next week Saturday, May 30, it is exactly four years since Holloway disappeared.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 23, 2009, 09:20:03 AM
Translated

   
Tips drip still within
New prosecutor in Holloway case

by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

WILLEM CITY - The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will soon again be headed by a new prosecutor.



Dutch prosecutors two bites their teeth piece on the disappearance of American teenager in 2005. This summer may third Chief Public Prosecutor will try to research on track. The government in Aruba does not want it for years long investigation is concluded. Still, there are hints within that drop further exploration questions. Also hit the island gradually under the spell of conspiracy theories.

Justice in our country will have two weeks to announce that Aruba 'lent' principal officer Hans Mos may leave the island. He will, at his own request, is expected to function abroad.

Press

Chief Prosecutor Mos was the case two years ago over his predecessor Karin Jansen, who was in conflict was concerned with the Aruban Minister of Justice. Also it was under great pressure from American media. Mos was initially in January if the investigation closed, but was forced by new tips the search work to continue. He says its request: "The file Holloway I to my successor. If it is closed again, the later with a new tip be reopened." The strengthening of the Holloway investigation is not separated from the great pressure from the U.S. media. Recently, a beagle flown for new inquiries, which do not either. Next week Saturday, May 30, it is exactly four years since Holloway disappeared.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1

Recenly, a humans read for question, which not understood. Come across.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 23, 2009, 10:03:35 AM
Translated

   
Tips drip still within
New prosecutor in Holloway case

by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

WILLEM CITY - The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will soon again be headed by a new prosecutor.



Dutch prosecutors two bites their teeth piece on the disappearance of American teenager in 2005. This summer may third Chief Public Prosecutor will try to research on track. The government in Aruba does not want it for years long investigation is concluded. Still, there are hints within that drop further exploration questions. Also hit the island gradually under the spell of conspiracy theories.

Justice in our country will have two weeks to announce that Aruba 'lent' principal officer Hans Mos may leave the island. He will, at his own request, is expected to function abroad.

Press

Chief Prosecutor Mos was the case two years ago over his predecessor Karin Jansen, who was in conflict was concerned with the Aruban Minister of Justice. Also it was under great pressure from American media. Mos was initially in January if the investigation closed, but was forced by new tips the search work to continue. He says its request: "The file Holloway I to my successor. If it is closed again, the later with a new tip be reopened." The strengthening of the Holloway investigation is not separated from the great pressure from the U.S. media. Recently, a beagle flown for new inquiries, which do not either. Next week Saturday, May 30, it is exactly four years since Holloway disappeared.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1

Recenly, a humans read for question, which not understood. Come across.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Good morning, wreck.....just noticed your head isn't flaming.....that must be Golba's canine being referenced, yes?   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 23, 2009, 10:14:40 AM
Translated

   
Tips drip still within
New prosecutor in Holloway case

by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

WILLEM CITY - The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will soon again be headed by a new prosecutor.



Dutch prosecutors two bites their teeth piece on the disappearance of American teenager in 2005. This summer may third Chief Public Prosecutor will try to research on track. The government in Aruba does not want it for years long investigation is concluded. Still, there are hints within that drop further exploration questions. Also hit the island gradually under the spell of conspiracy theories.

Justice in our country will have two weeks to announce that Aruba 'lent' principal officer Hans Mos may leave the island. He will, at his own request, is expected to function abroad.

Press

Chief Prosecutor Mos was the case two years ago over his predecessor Karin Jansen, who was in conflict was concerned with the Aruban Minister of Justice. Also it was under great pressure from American media. Mos was initially in January if the investigation closed, but was forced by new tips the search work to continue. He says its request: "The file Holloway I to my successor. If it is closed again, the later with a new tip be reopened." The strengthening of the Holloway investigation is not separated from the great pressure from the U.S. media. Recently, a beagle flown for new inquiries, which do not either. Next week Saturday, May 30, it is exactly four years since Holloway disappeared.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1

Recenly, a humans read for question, which not understood. Come across.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Good morning, wreck.....just noticed your head isn't flaming.....that must be Golba's canine being referenced, yes?   
I guess!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: (I don't think Lighttanks was a Beagle, though!)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 23, 2009, 10:36:06 AM
Translated

   
Tips drip still within
New prosecutor in Holloway case

by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

WILLEM CITY - The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will soon again be headed by a new prosecutor.



Dutch prosecutors two bites their teeth piece on the disappearance of American teenager in 2005. This summer may third Chief Public Prosecutor will try to research on track. The government in Aruba does not want it for years long investigation is concluded. Still, there are hints within that drop further exploration questions. Also hit the island gradually under the spell of conspiracy theories.

Justice in our country will have two weeks to announce that Aruba 'lent' principal officer Hans Mos may leave the island. He will, at his own request, is expected to function abroad.

Press

Chief Prosecutor Mos was the case two years ago over his predecessor Karin Jansen, who was in conflict was concerned with the Aruban Minister of Justice. Also it was under great pressure from American media. Mos was initially in January if the investigation closed, but was forced by new tips the search work to continue. He says its request: "The file Holloway I to my successor. If it is closed again, the later with a new tip be reopened." The strengthening of the Holloway investigation is not separated from the great pressure from the U.S. media. Recently, a beagle flown for new inquiries, which do not either. Next week Saturday, May 30, it is exactly four years since Holloway disappeared.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1

Recenly, a humans read for question, which not understood. Come across.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Good morning, wreck.....just noticed your head isn't flaming.....that must be Golba's canine being referenced, yes?   
I guess!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: (I don't think Lighttanks was a Beagle, though!)

True.   ::MonkeyHaHa::    I am picturing Snoopy's Red Baron, right now.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 23, 2009, 10:47:16 AM
SS posted at GoldMonkey
Kermit/Pickle repeatedly posted in the SM forum  http://s1zetaboards.com/Speakingofthediots, that she thought the photographs and posts were funny.

I did not - you are a bold faced liar.

I only wished I had thought of that idea to start a blog. The person who is writing that is very creative!

The only conspiracy is you! You and hotshot are running around paranoid and thinking I am everyone and telling people it's my website and it's my blog and I'm this person or that. I am NONE Of them! NONE! Zero! Zilch! NADA!
I got BIG NEWS FOR YOU donkeys - I do not have any websites or blogs. Obviously, people find you despicable.










They've tried to connect me and SM to that blog as well.  ******* even emailed Red about it.  Of course, I have nothing to do with that site.  They're despirately trying to figure out who all is posting over there and how much they know.  Likely they are affraid more of their personal business will be posted. 

I didn't know that.
They keep saying I'm Lifesong too and I'm not.



Which shows how much they suck at research...they've posted personal information for both of us...yet they still want to claim we're the same person? 

Idiots!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Btw, Kermit, I adore you!  The thing about monkeys...the non-lying, non-personal agenda, not seeking credit kind of monkeys...is that we stand with our own.  They should think of us like the Verizon Wireless Network commercials.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::


Ah, its good to be home!


Back to catching up...

 :smt039    Hi Wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 23, 2009, 10:58:50 AM
 :smt109 :2waver: :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:37:17 AM
Good Morning All.

It is a beautiful day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.  Son, DIL and 2 /2 year old grandson from Vancouver Island should be arriving around 11:00 am and ... then a family gathering in Vancouver at the home of hubby's sister is where it is at.

 ::cartwheel::

Have a good day ... long weekend.

Janet
8:30 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:51:26 AM
Hi Lifesong

Good to see ya back.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 23, 2009, 12:22:38 PM
Hi Lifesong

Good to see ya back.

Janet



Hi Janet!   :smt039

I've missed you!

 :bounce:  :2rofl: 

I'm back, well-rested and raring to go!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

As I recall, we left off with the information that one Mark Purcell was behind recruiting The 4-Headed Ignoramous known as Capslockwizard.

Mark Purcell is not getting a pass on that.

We know he's attached himself to Dave and Robin, but I still want to know howclose Purcell has gotten to John Silvetti or Tim Miller.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 01:16:57 PM
Lifesong

Kermit has exposed a Mark Purcell/Capslockwizard connection ... a connection that most likely involved Hotshot.  Hotshot appears to be in the midst of it all.

Could it be that in April, 2008 ... John Silvetti was about to reap a payoff in the form of donation from the ATA/AHATA for his participation in the Aruban coverup agenda in regards to the contents of the trap ... for his participation in the Aruban coverup revealed by Kyle Kingman's own words.

When Dave Holloway's relationship with Mark Purcell is considered ... could it be that Dave Holloway innocently suggested prior to the discovery of the trap that John Silvetti approach the ATA/AHATA for a donation towards the Persistence undertaking?  Did John Silvetti comply with Dave Holloways request and ... an understanding ... a deal was struck at that time?

Considering the Persistence did not continue the Natalee Holloway search past April, 2008 when John submitted the following post ... is there anyway of finding out if a donation from ATA/AHATA was every received?  In other words ... is there a site where donors and donations to John Silvetti/Texas Equaasearch can be accessed.

Think about it.  Why would ATA/AHATA contribute the to Persistent endeavor?  This ministry had been attempting to prevent justice from prevailing for almost three years at that point.

Janet

+++++++

DAVE HOLLOWAY/JOHN SILVETTI/ATA-AHATA CONNECTION

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


HOTSHOT/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION?

Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #486 7/3 - 7/4/2006
Reply #835 on: July 05, 2006, 03:41:17 AM


A friend of mine lives there and works at the marriott.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=40.msg8019#msg8019


HOTSHOT/CAPSLOCKWIZARD/SILVETTI CONNECTION?

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
Reply #258 on: November 22, 2008, 02:53:44 AM


CAPS knows Silvetti from me  Silvetti did do the pond and then they wouldnt let him back in after all the maps were made of the pond.  About Jossy, i know nothing about that.  I was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.  And I do know who CAPS is.  This boat that may have taken the trap away, if anything was the Gottenbos boat.  I too feel that they have what they needed to bring home, and thats why we hear nothing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
Today's Diario Front Page

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/frontpage/index.html

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Story Here:

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/news1.html

Papiamentu translation:

procurador general possible complice of the abusonan here. warda we costa dunando chinese grab one trato inhumano

oranjestad(aan):---awor if abuse owing to cuminsa happen his boundary. once more abusa of power of keep we costa, the departamento elite of minister rudy croes is in news. the trip here they owing to grab one chinese indocumenta. daily paper do not contra combatimento of ilegalidad but if will not permiti bao of none circumstancia trapamento on the being human as is pasando cu the chinese on the photograph here. the chinese here owing to wordo deteni diaranzon morning by of keep we costa in the area of north haciendo construccion. after cu owing to hibe at tanki flip till still the is eyden close in one piece lugar. the chinese is sleep on vloer y they do not dune cuminda niether. is the family is trece cuminda y cos of drink pe. more abuse is cu the neither sikiera owing to being permiti for bath his curpa. what is as of deal person this is.  what power one departamento so can have cu neither sikiera ministerio publico is beat they on they finger. this is immidiately one bit of all the bagamunderianan cu keep we costa is haciendo contra he indocumenta cu is stay one being human. ministerio publico self owing to achieve more cu one carta of the form of work of keep we costa. the own procurador general self owing to achieve carta of the as cu keep we costa is work. so self till today not owing to hear ministerio actua or atende gobierno on the asunto here. esey is indica cu ministerio publico self can is possible complice of the actonan here. keep we costa cu police is on two cord various. always police in pasado owing to atende cu the asunto here y after cu gobierno actual did take over they owing to arise they own are y now cu they're cla for go cas the are here also will go cas. the netherlands is good at height of the abusonan here contra the being human. gobierno owing to arise the are here for fill they hendenan. esnan of derecho human have to cay inside here also. daily paper owing to succeed penetra in the office of keep we costa y see the situation regal cu the chinese sit in one angle y here past owing to happen all his dianan after of his detencion. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 23, 2009, 01:54:41 PM
Edward - So you think MIP6 is getting upset now for something written at Arubadirtypolice back in 2006 and is taking it out on Kermit and me?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  j/k

Yep...  ::MonkeyCool:: MPI6 has made many posts over time too..
What can I say ?
 They stuck there noses into this a long time ago and IF he really did have the date rape drug in his posetion in Aruba, for what ever reason.. ::MonkeyConfused::
Has He has sold it to others ? and Have THEY hurt others with that drug ?

IF any of that is true.. THEN The F.B.I. or INTERPOL or the Dutch police should be taking another look at him.


The only reason Mark Purcell (or anyone) would be in possession of that quantity of the date rape drug is to sell it. 

JMO and only MO.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 23, 2009, 02:10:50 PM

Janet, we know AHATA gave ten grand to TX Equusearch.  Now, did TXEQ give the money to Silvetti?  Did AHATA really make a 20 grand donation and split it between TXEQ and Silvetti?

Possible, I guess, just not evidenced. 

I think Crazy is just a foolish idiot who has never been smart enough to get out of the way and is so delusionally selfish she can only imagine a grand solution rather than a logical one, and can only imagine that grand solution as resulting from her hand in some way.

I think she started out with good, honorable intentions way back when, but her tendency toward self-aggrandizing delusion quickly took over and she made herself an authority, ultimately even deciding who should be given access to who with no basis upon which to judge other than they'd been wise enough to respond to her.  The ONLY common thread to Crazy is Crazy herself.   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

She was only dangerous to the extent her credibility was strong, which it isn't.  I believe the only positive to come from the pond hoax may be the news of Dave changing his phone number.  JMO and only MO.



Tick Tock   Tick Tock    Tick Tock     Tick Tock      Tick Tock     Tick Tock   Tick Tock



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 23, 2009, 02:15:19 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 02:30:52 PM

Janet, we know AHATA gave ten grand to TX Equusearch.  Now, did TXEQ give the money to Silvetti?  Did AHATA really make a 20 grand donation and split it between TXEQ and Silvetti?

Possible, I guess, just not evidenced. 

I think Crazy is just a foolish idiot who has never been smart enough to get out of the way and is so delusionally selfish she can only imagine a grand solution rather than a logical one, and can only imagine that grand solution as resulting from her hand in some way.

I think she started out with good, honorable intentions way back when, but her tendency toward self-aggrandizing delusion quickly took over and she made herself an authority, ultimately even deciding who should be given access to who with no basis upon which to judge other than they'd been wise enough to respond to her.  The ONLY common thread to Crazy is Crazy herself.   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

She was only dangerous to the extent her credibility was strong, which it isn't.  I believe the only positive to come from the pond hoax may be the news of Dave changing his phone number.  JMO and only MO.



Tick Tock   Tick Tock    Tick Tock     Tick Tock      Tick Tock     Tick Tock   Tick Tock



Lifesong ... where are you getting this information from?  I must have missed it.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 23, 2009, 02:31:53 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.
I don't care how "well intentioned" she was -- we are talking about TODAY. She has throughly worn out her welcome. I'm beginning to have doubts about her "intentions" from the very beginning. -JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on May 23, 2009, 02:40:10 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

I think that's an absolutely lovely idea. It's unfortunate that Hotshot herself doesn't seem to agree with you. If she was willing to "just leave it" she would not be involved in cyberstalking members of Scared Monkeys and having their personal data published on the internet. Hmmm... I wonder who could possibly have given private phone numbers to their "source" in Aruba so that source could (very stupidly) make international harrassing phone calls to Scared Monkeys members to issue terrorist threats? The really, really stupid part was that the source of the terrorist threats was really, really easy to trace -- even beyond the source phone number to the home address and name of private individual who owned the Aruba telephone number from whence came the terrorist death threats. Really, really stupid.

Oh well. But that's not exactly under the category of "just leave it at that," is it? I think maybe Hotshot ought to take some courses on anger management and maybe consult with her physician on upping her meds. Just sayin.'

People who suck up to the Arubans with dirty hands in the Natalee Holloway case, including apologists for the Aruban tourist association, have quite a bit of dirt on their own hands... and consciences (if they still have any).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 02:49:36 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

In your dreams.

I will throw anybody under the bus if he/she attempts to divert attention away from those who participated with the Arubans in furthering the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005 ... anybody who is furthering the coverup agenda revealed in Kyle Kingman's own words.

Hotshot cannot have it both ways.  Either Kyle Kingman is the grandfather of all liars and John Silvetti has been terribly defamed or ... Kyle Kingman is revealing the truth and John Silvetti betrayed both Natalee Holloway and her family to further his own self-serving interests.

Janet

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Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
Reply #687 on: December 04, 2008, 10:42:20 PM


I refuse to believe that Kyle is a bad person.  I refuse to believe John, Schafer, and Tim are bad people.  And i would sure hate to have them read what you have posted here about them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg566913;topicseen#msg566913



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 02:50:23 PM
REMINDER

2007

THE OCEAN SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

In mid December of 2007 a crew of Americans on board a vessel named The Persistence begins a search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the waters off Aruba.  On Christmas Day a discovery is made while sonar scanning the ocean floor.  The discovery was a large fish trap.  On December 29th an ROV is ultilized to capture images of what is contained within.

Kyle Kingman, the ROV operator and remote analysis on board the Persistence, came to the conclusion that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed within that trap.

However, on a December 30, 2007, Aruban divers claimed that their investigation revealed there was nothing related to the Natalee Holloway case inside the trap.

John Silvetti, the Project Lead on board the Persistence, accepted the words of the Aruban divers unconditionally.   
______


The Persistence - Key Personnal

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

Kyle Kingman:  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.

Kyle Kingman:  John (Silvetti) is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 02:51:31 PM
REMINDER

2008

THE RECOVERY DIVE

On January 7, 2008 Aruban divers sampled and recovered the contents of the large fish trap disovered with sonar on the ocean floor off the coast of Aruba on Christmas Day, 2007 by the ROV operator and remote analyst on board the Persistence.

The crew of the Persistence were not involved in the recovery process ... only the Arubans.

________


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 23, 2009, 02:51:38 PM

Janet, we know AHATA gave ten grand to TX Equusearch.  Now, did TXEQ give the money to Silvetti?  Did AHATA really make a 20 grand donation and split it between TXEQ and Silvetti?

Possible, I guess, just not evidenced. 

I think Crazy is just a foolish idiot who has never been smart enough to get out of the way and is so delusionally selfish she can only imagine a grand solution rather than a logical one, and can only imagine that grand solution as resulting from her hand in some way.

I think she started out with good, honorable intentions way back when, but her tendency toward self-aggrandizing delusion quickly took over and she made herself an authority, ultimately even deciding who should be given access to who with no basis upon which to judge other than they'd been wise enough to respond to her.  The ONLY common thread to Crazy is Crazy herself.   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

She was only dangerous to the extent her credibility was strong, which it isn't.  I believe the only positive to come from the pond hoax may be the news of Dave changing his phone number.  JMO and only MO.



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Lifesong ... where are you getting this information from?  I must have missed it.

Thanks

Janet

Someone (texasmom? 2NJ?) posted either a screenshot or a copy/paste of the donation list from when it was still posted at Texas Equusearch's website.  I'll look for it once I'm caught up if it hasn't been reposted by then.  I'm up to page 15 now.

I'm not that slow a reader, btw,  ::MonkeyHaHa:: just busy with family, errands, and chores.  Am I the only one that really only enjoys laundry and vaccuming after I've been away?  Nothing says home like your own washing machine!

---------------------------------

As for Crazy, I stand by my opinion without regret.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 03:01:20 PM

Janet, we know AHATA gave ten grand to TX Equusearch.  Now, did TXEQ give the money to Silvetti?  Did AHATA really make a 20 grand donation and split it between TXEQ and Silvetti?

Possible, I guess, just not evidenced. 

I think Crazy is just a foolish idiot who has never been smart enough to get out of the way and is so delusionally selfish she can only imagine a grand solution rather than a logical one, and can only imagine that grand solution as resulting from her hand in some way.

I think she started out with good, honorable intentions way back when, but her tendency toward self-aggrandizing delusion quickly took over and she made herself an authority, ultimately even deciding who should be given access to who with no basis upon which to judge other than they'd been wise enough to respond to her.  The ONLY common thread to Crazy is Crazy herself.   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

She was only dangerous to the extent her credibility was strong, which it isn't.  I believe the only positive to come from the pond hoax may be the news of Dave changing his phone number.  JMO and only MO.



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Lifesong ... where are you getting this information from?  I must have missed it.

Thanks

Janet

Someone (texasmom? 2NJ?) posted either a screenshot or a copy/paste of the donation list from when it was still posted at Texas Equusearch's website.  I'll look for it once I'm caught up if it hasn't been reposted by then.  I'm up to page 15 now.

I'm not that slow a reader, btw,  ::MonkeyHaHa:: just busy with family, errands, and chores.  Am I the only one that really only enjoys laundry and vaccuming after I've been away?  Nothing says home like your own washing machine!

---------------------------------

As for Crazy, I stand by my opinion without regret.



Lifesong

Don't worry hon.  Maybe another Monkey has the screen print hand and could post it.  I would really like to view it.

Anyways ... I gotta go.  My son, DIL and 2 1/2 year old grandson from Vancouver Island have just arrived.

 ::cartwheel::

Have a good day all.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

I think that's an absolutely lovely idea. It's unfortunate that Hotshot herself doesn't seem to agree with you. If she was willing to "just leave it" she would not be involved in cyberstalking members of Scared Monkeys and having their personal data published on the internet. Hmmm... I wonder who could possibly have given private phone numbers to their "source" in Aruba so that source could (very stupidly) make international harrassing phone calls to Scared Monkeys members to issue terrorist threats? The really, really stupid part was that the source of the terrorist threats was really, really easy to trace -- even beyond the source phone number to the home address and name of private individual who owned the Aruba telephone number from whence came the terrorist death threats. Really, really stupid.

Oh well. But that's not exactly under the category of "just leave it at that," is it? I think maybe Hotshot ought to take some courses on anger management and maybe consult with her physician on upping her meds. Just sayin.'

People who suck up to the Arubans with dirty hands in the Natalee Holloway case, including apologists for the Aruban tourist association, have quite a bit of dirt on their own hands... and consciences (if they still have any).

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 03:05:02 PM

Janet, we know AHATA gave ten grand to TX Equusearch.  Now, did TXEQ give the money to Silvetti?  Did AHATA really make a 20 grand donation and split it between TXEQ and Silvetti?

Possible, I guess, just not evidenced. 

I think Crazy is just a foolish idiot who has never been smart enough to get out of the way and is so delusionally selfish she can only imagine a grand solution rather than a logical one, and can only imagine that grand solution as resulting from her hand in some way.

I think she started out with good, honorable intentions way back when, but her tendency toward self-aggrandizing delusion quickly took over and she made herself an authority, ultimately even deciding who should be given access to who with no basis upon which to judge other than they'd been wise enough to respond to her.  The ONLY common thread to Crazy is Crazy herself.   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

She was only dangerous to the extent her credibility was strong, which it isn't.  I believe the only positive to come from the pond hoax may be the news of Dave changing his phone number.  JMO and only MO.



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Lifesong ... where are you getting this information from?  I must have missed it.

Thanks

Janet

Someone (texasmom? 2NJ?) posted either a screenshot or a copy/paste of the donation list from when it was still posted at Texas Equusearch's website.  I'll look for it once I'm caught up if it hasn't been reposted by then.  I'm up to page 15 now.

I'm not that slow a reader, btw,  ::MonkeyHaHa:: just busy with family, errands, and chores.  Am I the only one that really only enjoys laundry and vaccuming after I've been away?  Nothing says home like your own washing machine!

---------------------------------

As for Crazy, I stand by my opinion without regret.



I don't think I have the screen shot of the donation, but I do remember the discussion about it.  Hopefully if someone still has it, they'll post it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 23, 2009, 03:13:18 PM

Janet, we know AHATA gave ten grand to TX Equusearch.  Now, did TXEQ give the money to Silvetti?  Did AHATA really make a 20 grand donation and split it between TXEQ and Silvetti?

Possible, I guess, just not evidenced. 

I think Crazy is just a foolish idiot who has never been smart enough to get out of the way and is so delusionally selfish she can only imagine a grand solution rather than a logical one, and can only imagine that grand solution as resulting from her hand in some way.

I think she started out with good, honorable intentions way back when, but her tendency toward self-aggrandizing delusion quickly took over and she made herself an authority, ultimately even deciding who should be given access to who with no basis upon which to judge other than they'd been wise enough to respond to her.  The ONLY common thread to Crazy is Crazy herself.   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

She was only dangerous to the extent her credibility was strong, which it isn't.  I believe the only positive to come from the pond hoax may be the news of Dave changing his phone number.  JMO and only MO.



Tick Tock   Tick Tock    Tick Tock     Tick Tock      Tick Tock     Tick Tock   Tick Tock



Lifesong ... where are you getting this information from?  I must have missed it.

Thanks

Janet

Someone (texasmom? 2NJ?) posted either a screenshot or a copy/paste of the donation list from when it was still posted at Texas Equusearch's website.  I'll look for it once I'm caught up if it hasn't been reposted by then.  I'm up to page 15 now.

I'm not that slow a reader, btw,  ::MonkeyHaHa:: just busy with family, errands, and chores.  Am I the only one that really only enjoys laundry and vaccuming after I've been away?  Nothing says home like your own washing machine!

---------------------------------

As for Crazy, I stand by my opinion without regret.



I don't think I have the screen shot of the donation, but I do remember the discussion about it.  Hopefully if someone still has it, they'll post it.


I think it may be 2NJ who has the screen shot.  I saw in in real time on the TES website, so I know it was there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 03:15:35 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.
I don't care how "well intentioned" she was -- we are talking about TODAY. She has throughly worn out her welcome. I'm beginning to have doubts about her "intentions" from the very beginning. -JMO

Wreck ... I agree.

Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that trap and ... the contents were ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded to the enemy unchallenged.  Justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for Natalee's family have taken a backseat by Hotshot and  those who have blindly followed the "great" CapsLockWizard ... by those who uphold John Silvetti.

Janet

++++++

A REMINDER


PRIVATE EYE - NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM  
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on May 23, 2009, 03:23:49 PM
And this person is freely allowed to post at BFN??

And is BFF with Robin. ::MonkeyConfused::

I just can't wrap my brain around that....Really!Why would ANYONE be friends with this person,let alone Robin? ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm right with you here, KTF!  And I hope we can go after this Capslockwizard instigator without disrespecting Dave.  I simply try never to comment on Robin, I just don't go there.  I have quoted PrivateEye's posts on the subject and have tried to follow his lead.

Still, as I'm catching up, I'm thrilled to see the discussion covering and including Purcell. 

Since Kermit exposed Mark Purcell's involvement with Caps and the pond hoax, I believe Purcell now has to take center stage in the ongoing research of the Persistence, the witness and the pond hoax.

I haven't forgotten about the actual "witness", btw. 

Anyone else think there might be a Mark "needs a date rape drug to seduce himself" Purcell connection there too?

 ::MonkeyDevil::

JMO and only MO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 03:25:33 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

Maybe you aren't up to date on everything that went on here with Hotshot.  If you're interested you can view her posts here and go from them to the pages where they were posted.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=203;sa=showPosts

Even though I believed for a long time she was in this for the right reasons; she has since crossed the line and I've lost all respect for her.

She is so full of herself and her BFF, "he who shall not be named"...that I don't believe she has anything at all positive to contribute in the pursuit of Justice for Natalee.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 23, 2009, 03:33:17 PM
I don't have the screen shot of the TES donors (prior to the new website).  I was here during the discussion most recently, though, and do remember it.  We'll be going out within the hour.  If I find it, I'll bring it forward, or hope that someone else posts it, again.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 23, 2009, 03:40:59 PM
Please also keep in mind that Crazy was involved with the group of monkeys who decided to form a secret forum including Ringo and other troublemakers.  They made a direct feed to it from SM!  Red was upset when he found out.  They all got banned of course.  I think they were going after the reward personally and only those "in the Know" were allowed.  Crazy posted under a different name then.  Deepak was posting somewhere as her before so I have to wonder where her loyalties really lie.

Well, some of us begged that she be allowed back and she repaid up by stabbing us in the back royally first chance she got.  She has posted Dark Lard lies about me in musing, discussed my children with erroneous information, etc. there as well as here.

Some may be more forgiving than I am but I also have reason to believe she caused trouble for Tim Miller and almost got him kicked off the island at least once. I think she would do anything for attention and I also have reason to believe that she misrepresents herself and her position to others.


And let's just leave it at that.

 ::MonkeyDevil::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 23, 2009, 03:46:56 PM
May have already been posted (I'm behind)
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/NewProsecutor052309.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 23, 2009, 03:54:42 PM
No luck, yet on the older TES sponsor page.....I even checked the web archive...nothing much there, especially after June,2005....it only goes to 2005, anyway.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/www.texasequusearch.org/corporatesponsors.htm

BBL   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 23, 2009, 04:45:10 PM
May have already been posted (I'm behind)
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/NewProsecutor052309.jpg)

The first thing that a "new" prosecutor needs to do is question Mos about the contents of that cage and what happened to all the plastic bags filled with the likes of hermit crabs and empty space.  Once answers are forthcoming from Mos about this then they can work themselves backward to see what has been going on since day one 4 years ago.  Doesn't take a rocket scientist.  Heck, he can just come here and find out firsthand what is going on.

And I don't give Hotshot a pass on this.  She did start off trying to help but somewhere along the way she forgot who's  daughter this was and she inserted herself and quite possibly caused harm to this investigation by sticking her nose where it did not belong.  To name a few, Deepak, Satish, Dompig, Steve Croes, and on and on and on.  It is one thing to help but quite another to become obsessive with this and what her place was in all this.
JMO   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 23, 2009, 05:12:37 PM
Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Dolce on May 23, 2009, 05:21:07 PM
Happy Memorial Day Weekend!  Sorry to barge in again to your conversation, but we are still working on writing the media for Amber DuBois.  Our mission is to get this missing child some media coverage as she has had zilch.  We are going to keep writing every day until our requests are heard.  Please take a moment to visit her thread and write a quick email on her behalf. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg817947#msg817947

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: finngirl on May 23, 2009, 06:49:33 PM
Please also keep in mind that Crazy was involved with the group of monkeys who decided to form a secret forum including Ringo and other troublemakers.  They made a direct feed to it from SM!  Red was upset when he found out.  They all got banned of course.  I think they were going after the reward personally and only those "in the Know" were allowed.  Crazy posted under a different name then.  Deepak was posting somewhere as her before so I have to wonder where her loyalties really lie.

no, to the bolded

there was a group-within-the-group,
which became obvious very late in the game

most of the members were lied to/used:
it was promoted as research intensive
w/ minimal off-topic posting

members were recruited from numerous NH forums,
not just SM

blame belongs on the devious inner circle,
not the general membership

ITA: the elite were seeking fame/the reward
and using others to get them there

which is still happening

and let's just leave it at that  :cool:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 08:02:25 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?

Guess Kat_Gram didn't feel like answering the question.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 23, 2009, 08:15:18 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?

Guess Kat_Gram didn't feel like answering the question.... ::MonkeyCool::

Kat_Gram is a long time member and she has stated her opinion on the matter which is fine.  We all have different opinions on certain people.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 23, 2009, 08:17:40 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?
I don't know if I defending Hotshot so much as not being happy with the way that persons are being disrepected. I did go and read Kathy's posts as suggested and frankly, it is all awful stuff. All of it, not just Hotshots. I am at a point here where I do not know who are the good posters and who are the bad ones. But, does it matter to getting justice for Natalee, no ! I have read way too much about this case and there is no way for any of the latest to be proved. I should just go back to lurk mode, too much has happened behind the scenes that I know nothing about. I popped in here today because it is four years since the Memorial Day weekend when Natalee went I was going to say missing, but she was murdered and I thought of that today and how sad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 08:31:51 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?
I don't know if I defending Hotshot so much as not being happy with the way that persons are being disrepected. I did go and read Kathy's posts as suggested and frankly, it is all awful stuff. All of it, not just Hotshots. I am at a point here where I do not know who are the good posters and who are the bad ones. But, does it matter to getting justice for Natalee, no ! I have read way too much about this case and there is no way for any of the latest to be proved. I should just go back to lurk mode, too much has happened behind the scenes that I know nothing about. I popped in here today because it is four years since the Memorial Day weekend when Natalee went I was going to say missing, but she was murdered and I thought of that today and how sad.

Thanx for the response!What is it that can't be proved?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 09:10:19 PM
I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?
I don't know if I defending Hotshot so much as not being happy with the way that persons are being disrepected. I did go and read Kathy's posts as suggested and frankly, it is all awful stuff. All of it, not just Hotshots. I am at a point here where I do not know who are the good posters and who are the bad ones. But, does it matter to getting justice for Natalee, no ! I have read way too much about this case and there is no way for any of the latest to be proved. I should just go back to lurk mode, too much has happened behind the scenes that I know nothing about. I popped in here today because it is four years since the Memorial Day weekend when Natalee went I was going to say missing, but she was murdered and I thought of that today and how sad.

Thanks for going back and reading Kat_Gram.  So much has happened, that some of us that are here a lot aren't sure who the good posters and bad posters are sometimes.  Too many games being played, from here to Aruba.  When you made your post about Hotshot, I knew you either hadn't followed closely recently...or we were in for yet another game.  I'm thankful it wasn't another game, I'm tired of them.

Yes, it's very sad that it's been four years and Natalee's still not home.  Four years, and no one is charged with the crimes against her. 

I hope you won't consider the questions about your post an attack and stay away; or feel like you can only lurk.  As far as I'm concerned, you are welcome here. 

Truth and Justice for Natalee is what it's all about; and ALL of us dedicated to that effort need to stick together and work toward that goal.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 09:49:30 PM
5/23/2009 Bondia Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

have 7 for 8 are interesa for participa in destaho for proyecto of platform

saturday, 23 may 2009

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 09:56:13 PM
I trust in the fact that if i'm being disrespectful,a Monkey is more then welcome to let me know!If in any way,shape or form,i'm taking away from the focus of Justice for Natalee Holloway,feel free to let me know as well. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 23, 2009, 10:04:16 PM
Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 23, 2009, 10:05:59 PM
I trust in the fact that if i'm being disrespectful,a Monkey is more then welcome to let me know!If in any way,shape or form,i'm taking away from the focus of Justice for Natalee Holloway,feel free to let me know as well. ::MonkeyCool::
I have no problem with anyone asking questions of ANYONE these days. It is sad that it has come to this, but that is where we are. For the people that are regulars here, we have become jaded by a select few that we THOUGHT we knew for the past 4 years. For those lurkers that have somehow missed the turmoil here for the last several months, I humbly ask that you read back and try to understand where we are coming from.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 23, 2009, 10:14:15 PM
It's the Silvetti issue. CAPS .. I stopped even doing just a quick speed read of his posts after reading a few of his fanastic theories. 
With Hotshot and others, they were such good Monks and I am saddend that it all came to this for whatever reason. I know that some of you have more knowledge of what went on behind the scenes and had contact with each other via emails and the telephone, etc.
I don't go to BFN any more, my password was deprecated last time I had computer issues and I didn't want to try to get it reactivated. GM, I really don't have the time.
I still think what we all thought four years ago. Can't see a new prosecutor laying any charges at this time. I just hope that the Dr. Phil lawsuit goes forward and we get some facts from Deepak or Satish. but there again, Aruba doesn't seem to want to press any charges against Sloot. As far as I was concerned Patrick van Der Emm's tape was good enough for serious charges becasie it had Joran speaking in his own words. Hopefully DeVries is in the background just waiting for an oportunity to nail the Sloots. 
As for Ms. Hotshot, I was surprised at the way she lashed out at people after I read her last posts. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 23, 2009, 10:23:03 PM
KatGram, you weren't half as surprised as I was, lol.  I wasn't even posting anything much at all.  Just sitting here minding my own more or less.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

It was sort of like watching people just totally lose it over Caps.  And he was so obvious!  A theory a day.

I don't know what was in the fish trap.  And that's because only ALE was given access to the contents and they absconded pronto with whatever they recovered and now as far as I am concerned no one will ever know because they were allowed to do that.

I admit I was shocked to learn that was how that happened and I don't believe there is any way to recover from it as now all we will have is ALE's word for what was there.  I wish it had been handled much differently.

Private Eye tried to warn us.  I didn't get it at the time but now see what he was saying.

I can't imagine your posts would not always be welcome in the Natalee thread.  You have been here since very early on and I have always respected your opinion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 23, 2009, 10:27:10 PM
Please also keep in mind that Crazy was involved with the group of monkeys who decided to form a secret forum including Ringo and other troublemakers.  They made a direct feed to it from SM!  Red was upset when he found out.  They all got banned of course.  I think they were going after the reward personally and only those "in the Know" were allowed.  Crazy posted under a different name then.  Deepak was posting somewhere as her before so I have to wonder where her loyalties really lie.

no, to the bolded

there was a group-within-the-group,
which became obvious very late in the game

most of the members were lied to/used:
it was promoted as research intensive
w/ minimal off-topic posting

members were recruited from numerous NH forums,
not just SM

blame belongs on the devious inner circle,
not the general membership

ITA: the elite were seeking fame/the reward
and using others to get them there

which is still happening

and let's just leave it at that  :cool:




Sounds about right.  I wasn't invited but did receive several emails trying to determine if I knew anything they didn't, etc.  I have never been a big joiner of lots of forums.  Contrary to some rumors, lol.

But I do remember you from so long ago before I could even find my way around a multi-thread forum when I had such concern and questions about a photo of Paulus in his getaway car and you helped me post the photo. 

Literally years ago but I never forget an act of kindness.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 10:28:35 PM
It's the Silvetti issue. CAPS .. I stopped even doing just a quick speed read of his posts after reading a few of his fanastic theories. 
With Hotshot and others, they were such good Monks and I am saddend that it all came to this for whatever reason. I know that some of you have more knowledge of what went on behind the scenes and had contact with each other via emails and the telephone, etc.
I don't go to BFN any more, my password was deprecated last time I had computer issues and I didn't want to try to get it reactivated. GM, I really don't have the time.
I still think what we all thought four years ago. Can't see a new prosecutor laying any charges at this time. I just hope that the Dr. Phil lawsuit goes forward and we get some facts from Deepak or Satish. but there again, Aruba doesn't seem to want to press any charges against Sloot. As far as I was concerned Patrick van Der Emm's tape was good enough for serious charges becasie it had Joran speaking in his own words. Hopefully DeVries is in the background just waiting for an oportunity to nail the Sloots. 
As for Ms. Hotshot, I was surprised at the way she lashed out at people after I read her last posts. 

Do I understand correctly that you think we are being disrespectful of Silvetti?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 23, 2009, 10:33:02 PM
It's the Silvetti issue. CAPS .. I stopped even doing just a quick speed read of his posts after reading a few of his fanastic theories. 
With Hotshot and others, they were such good Monks and I am saddend that it all came to this for whatever reason. I know that some of you have more knowledge of what went on behind the scenes and had contact with each other via emails and the telephone, etc.
I don't go to BFN any more, my password was deprecated last time I had computer issues and I didn't want to try to get it reactivated. GM, I really don't have the time.
I still think what we all thought four years ago. Can't see a new prosecutor laying any charges at this time. I just hope that the Dr. Phil lawsuit goes forward and we get some facts from Deepak or Satish. but there again, Aruba doesn't seem to want to press any charges against Sloot. As far as I was concerned Patrick van Der Emm's tape was good enough for serious charges becasie it had Joran speaking in his own words. Hopefully DeVries is in the background just waiting for an oportunity to nail the Sloots. 
As for Ms. Hotshot, I was surprised at the way she lashed out at people after I read her last posts. 

Do I understand correctly that you think we are being disrespectful of Silvetti?  ::MonkeyConfused::
I read her just the opposite. I THINK she is saying that Caps stories were "fantastic" (as in wild and exaggerated)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 23, 2009, 10:35:33 PM
Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html
Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html


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Blue Moon,
Thanks for the link.  I wasn't the one wanting it so am not sure if that is the one requested or not.  It does show ATA as a contributor as well as a very complete list of individuals but no amounts. 

I wonder where the $10K figure came from originally?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 23, 2009, 10:37:58 PM
No. The questions should be asked as to how they intended to have a good result with the Aruban divers taking the material. I am questioning the motives of Schaeffer, Trahan, Caps and Silvetti. And whoever got Dave to leave to see a person named Marcos.
It all just seems like a crap up, Aruban style.
..
The link that was posted, some of the posts were in musings and I didn't see the posts Hotshot made until today when I rushed in about throwing her under the bus.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 23, 2009, 10:42:18 PM
Caps was way too wild in his theories and I stopped reading except doing the Evelyn Woods speed reading thing when he was a frequent poster.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 10:42:54 PM
No. The questions should be asked as to how they intended to have a good result with the Aruban divers taking the material. I am questioning the motives of Schaeffer, Trahan, Caps and Silvetti. And whoever got Dave to leave to see a person named Marcos.
It all just seems like a crap up, Aruban style.
..
The link that was posted, some of the posts were in musings and I didn't see the posts Hotshot made until today when I rushed in about throwing her under the bus.

Thanks Kat_Gram.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 23, 2009, 10:44:01 PM
Some people seemed to jump under the bus themselves.  Repeatedly.

I don't really know why. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 23, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
Well goodnight all. I will be here tomorrow and most likely the day after that. You never know when something might actually happen on Aruba like issuing arrest warrants.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
No. The questions should be asked as to how they intended to have a good result with the Aruban divers taking the material. I am questioning the motives of Schaeffer, Trahan, Caps and Silvetti. And whoever got Dave to leave to see a person named Marcos.
It all just seems like a crap up, Aruban style.
..
The link that was posted, some of the posts were in musings and I didn't see the posts Hotshot made until today when I rushed in about throwing her under the bus.

Thanks Kat_Gram.   ::MonkeyCool::

Ditto.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 23, 2009, 10:46:09 PM
Off to watch a "surprise" movie friend brought over but I think it is comedy Get Smart as I overheard them discussing it.  At least it is not action adventure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 10:46:33 PM
Well goodnight all. I will be here tomorrow and most likely the day after that. You never know when something might actually happen on Aruba like issuing arrest warrants.

Thanx for your responses and clarifications! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 10:47:51 PM
Well goodnight all. I will be here tomorrow and most likely the day after that. You never know when something might actually happen on Aruba like issuing arrest warrants.

Good Night Kat.

Janet
7:50 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 10:50:47 PM
Well goodnight all. I will be here tomorrow and most likely the day after that. You never know when something might actually happen on Aruba like issuing arrest warrants.

Good Night Kat!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 10:50:55 PM
REMINDER

JOHN SILVETTI - CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  05/08/08 - John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle Kigman:  06/06/08 - Here's some interesting news: John goes to Aruba on Wednesday.

Kyle Kingman:  06/10/08 - He's (Silvetti) seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle Kingman:  06/13/08 - John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  06/29/08 - I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies

Kyle Kingman:  06/29/08 - I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 10:53:31 PM
Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html


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Thanks Blue Moon!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 10:57:14 PM
Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

Thank you Blue Moon.

Was there another image that revealed a $10,000 from the ATA/AHATA?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 23, 2009, 11:02:32 PM
Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

Thank you Blue Moon.

Was there another image that revealed a $10,000 from the ATA/AHATA?

Janet

No, I looked and this was all there was.  Now I think there was a link somewhere that took you to an Aruba link and it had something about them donating but I don't believe anything to do with an amount.  So no, nothing listing the amount.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 23, 2009, 11:04:18 PM
Try this link Janet:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060209143737/www.aruba.com/holloway/index.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

Thank you Blue Moon.

Was there another image that revealed a $10,000 from the ATA/AHATA?

Janet

No, I looked and this was all there was.  Now I think there was a link somewhere that took you to an Aruba link and it had something about them donating but I don't believe anything to do with an amount.  So no, nothing listing the amount.

Thanks Blue Moon.

In April, 2008 ... John Silvetti implied that there would be a large donation forthcoming from the ATA/AHATA but ... there has been no more searching since.  I really want to find out if a donation was made to John Silvetti or TEA since the search ended well over a year ago.

Janet
________

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 23, 2009, 11:15:31 PM
Caps was way too wild in his theories and I stopped reading except doing the Evelyn Woods speed reading thing when he was a frequent poster.

I stopped reading also.  I knew it was BS and he was leading everyone on a wild goose chase.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:19:18 PM
Try this link Janet:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060209143737/www.aruba.com/holloway/index.htm

Does John Silvetti or TES not have to make financial statements available.  I know our church outreaches/miniteries make financial statements available upon request.  I am not sure if it is a legal requirement.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:20:08 PM
EDIT:

TEA s/b TES


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:22:02 PM
Keepthefaith

Unbelieveable weather eh!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 11:28:59 PM
Keepthefaith

Unbelieveable weather eh!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet



Beautiful weather!Hope all is well in the Fraser Valley... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:38:02 PM
Keepthefaith

Unbelieveable weather eh!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet



Beautiful weather!Hope all is well in the Fraser Valley... ::MonkeyCool::

I had a wonderful day.  All our grown kids/spouses/kids turned out at a family gathering/barbeque  in Vancouver to honor my hubby's uncle.  It was his 93rd birthday and ... he is one amazing man.

Anyways ... we are babysitting our 2 1/2 year old sleeping grandson from Vancouver Island  right now while Mommy and Daddy have a night out with cousins.

Good Night all!  A quick game of Scrabble with a nighbourhood couple is where it is at.

Janet
8:35 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 11:38:53 PM
If a donation was given,and put into a business account for Silvetti in Aruba,it would be difficult to locate!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:39:20 PM
EDIT:

TEA s/b TES

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 23, 2009, 11:40:47 PM
Keepthefaith

Unbelieveable weather eh!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet



Beautiful weather!Hope all is well in the Fraser Valley... ::MonkeyCool::

I had a wonderful day.  All our grown kids/spouses/kids turned out at a family gathering/barbeque  in Vancouver to honor my hubby's uncle.  It was his 93rd birthday and ... he is one amazing man.

Anyways ... we are babysitting our 2 1/2 year old sleeping grandson from Vancouver Island  right now while Mommy and Daddy have a night out with cousins.

Good Night all!  A quick game of Scrabble with a nighbourhood couple is where it is at.

Janet
8:35 PM

Hinky will win ya the scrabble title! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:42:05 PM
If a donation was given,and put into a business account for Silvetti in Aruba,it would be difficult to locate!

Thanks Keepthefaith.

I do not have a clue about disclosure of donations to a cause.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 23, 2009, 11:42:57 PM
Keepthefaith

Unbelieveable weather eh!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet



Beautiful weather!Hope all is well in the Fraser Valley... ::MonkeyCool::

I had a wonderful day.  All our grown kids/spouses/kids turned out at a family gathering/barbeque  in Vancouver to honor my hubby's uncle.  It was his 93rd birthday and ... he is one amazing man.

Anyways ... we are babysitting our 2 1/2 year old sleeping grandson from Vancouver Island  right now while Mommy and Daddy have a night out with cousins.

Good Night all!  A quick game of Scrabble with a nighbourhood couple is where it is at.

Janet
8:35 PM

Hinky will win ya the scrabble title! ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 23, 2009, 11:47:56 PM
Keepthefaith

Unbelieveable weather eh!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet



Beautiful weather!Hope all is well in the Fraser Valley... ::MonkeyCool::

I had a wonderful day.  All our grown kids/spouses/kids turned out at a family gathering/barbeque  in Vancouver to honor my hubby's uncle.  It was his 93rd birthday and ... he is one amazing man.

Anyways ... we are babysitting our 2 1/2 year old sleeping grandson from Vancouver Island  right now while Mommy and Daddy have a night out with cousins.

Good Night all!  A quick game of Scrabble with a nighbourhood couple is where it is at.

Janet
8:35 PM

Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 24, 2009, 12:02:01 AM
If a donation was given,and put into a business account for Silvetti in Aruba,it would be difficult to locate!

Thanks Keepthefaith.

I do not have a clue about disclosure of donations to a cause.

Janet

That's just my opinion Janet.I would be of the opinion that,AHATA/ATA did not cut Silvetti a Check,so to speak.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 24, 2009, 12:06:48 AM
Try this link Janet:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060209143737/www.aruba.com/holloway/index.htm

Does John Silvetti or TES not have to make financial statements available.  I know our church outreaches/miniteries make financial statements available upon request.  I am not sure if it is a legal requirement.

Janet

When I tried to locate the original sponsor page, earlier, I was frustrated by the fact that the new TES website didn't have archives prior to 2008, iirc.  I may have chosen a different web archive route than Blue Moon, thus the different results.  (neither showed amounts donated)  I'm not sure of the answer to your query, but it did enter my mind before we left earlier.

(I had to wait for DH to get his PC time before I could read and send this reply.)   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 24, 2009, 12:15:37 AM
I feel like I'm a day late and a dollar short....I will blame DH....he's used to it.     ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 02:21:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 24, 2009, 02:26:06 AM
Lots of good discussions this evening...
Here's the thing..
There is no way ATA/AHATA donated anything directly to Texas EquuSearch that could have brought schaeffer/trahan/silvetta/kingman to move to the dark side. If a 10 or 20K donation was made, it was only to show publicly that they were supporting persistance search..and we all know that is BS.
Many of you are on the right track....a CONTRACT worth Millions of Dollars is what bought out
schaeffer/trahan/silvetta/kingman...WE need to find those contract(s)!
Mark purcells is deep in the caps/pond hoax...another secondary route to explore that may lead to further proof of coverup....
The MAIN focus needs to be directed at the CONTRACTS that turned persistence into American traitors....
MHO...Natalee remains were in that trap....along with tennis shoe and other evidence of a crime....
MHO....expose the persistence buy out by aruba powers that be....then put pressure on same to reveal what was in the trap.....That is the path for JUSTICE for NATALEE.....
Our FBI/State Department need to focus their resources on exposing persistence role in the aruba powers that be in the recovery of the trap contents.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 24, 2009, 02:30:32 AM
Lots of good discussions this evening...
Here's the thing..
There is no way ATA/AHATA donated anything directly to Texas EquuSearch that could have brought schaeffer/trahan/silvetta/kingman to move to the dark side. If a 10 or 20K donation was made, it was only to show publicly that they were supporting persistance search..and we all know that is BS.
Many of you are on the right track....a CONTRACT worth Millions of Dollars is what bought out
schaeffer/trahan/silvetta/kingman...WE need to find those contract(s)!
Mark purcells is deep in the caps/pond hoax...another secondary route to explore that may lead to further proof of coverup....
The MAIN focus needs to be directed at the CONTRACTS that turned persistence into American traitors....
MHO...Natalee remains were in that trap....along with tennis shoe and other evidence of a crime....
MHO....expose the persistence buy out by aruba powers that be....then put pressure on same to reveal what was in the trap.....That is the path for JUSTICE for NATALEE.....
Our FBI/State Department need to focus their resources on exposing persistence role in the aruba powers that be in the recovery of the trap contents.....
And demand to know what was recovered by the aruba divers....

Did I mention?
I HATE THEM ALL!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 02:47:03 AM
Lots of good discussions this evening...
Here's the thing..
There is no way ATA/AHATA donated anything directly to Texas EquuSearch that could have brought schaeffer/trahan/silvetta/kingman to move to the dark side. If a 10 or 20K donation was made, it was only to show publicly that they were supporting persistance search..and we all know that is BS.
Many of you are on the right track....a CONTRACT worth Millions of Dollars is what bought out
schaeffer/trahan/silvetta/kingman...WE need to find those contract(s)!
Mark purcells is deep in the caps/pond hoax...another secondary route to explore that may lead to further proof of coverup....
The MAIN focus needs to be directed at the CONTRACTS that turned persistence into American traitors....
MHO...Natalee remains were in that trap....along with tennis shoe and other evidence of a crime....
MHO....expose the persistence buy out by aruba powers that be....then put pressure on same to reveal what was in the trap.....That is the path for JUSTICE for NATALEE.....
Our FBI/State Department need to focus their resources on exposing persistence role in the aruba powers that be in the recovery of the trap contents.....
And demand to know what was recovered by the aruba divers....

Did I mention?
I HATE THEM ALL!!!


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 24, 2009, 02:50:39 AM
FWIW.......Kat_Gram has always been a straight shooter from the beginning....
That said...after four long years, no one is expected to keep up and post day to day.....
Sometimes we get too critical/short with emerging posters from the past.....
because some of us haven't always been here on SM....
SAN pointed out quickly Kat_Grams sincerity from the get go....
Point is......Let's not turn away opinions too soon just because a someone posts an opinion that may not necessarily reflect the short term discussions...
It's about Natalee/Beth/Dave....Justice


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 24, 2009, 02:52:13 AM
FWIW.......Kat_Gram has always been a straight shooter from the beginning....
That said...after four long years, no one is expected to keep up and post day to day.....
Sometimes we get too critical/short with emerging posters from the past.....
because some of us haven't always been here on SM....
SAN pointed out quickly Kat_Grams sincerity from the get go....
Point is......Let's not turn away opinions too soon just because a someone posts an opinion that may not necessarily reflect the short term discussions...
It's about Natalee/Beth/Dave....Justice
Well said!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 24, 2009, 02:54:05 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Well ---- maybe not "well said" -- but we get the drift!!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 24, 2009, 02:54:13 AM
TexasMom....Always good to see you!
Good Night Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is where it is at!
Suck on THAT aruba....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 03:14:20 AM
TexasMom....Always good to see you!
Good Night Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is where it is at!
Suck on THAT aruba....


 ::MonkeyDance::

Good Night billb!  Always good to see you too! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 03:18:19 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: Well ---- maybe not "well said" -- but we get the drift!!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::

I agree, and if you hadn't responded first....I probably would have said "well said" too.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: KYcat on May 24, 2009, 08:39:32 AM
FWIW.......Kat_Gram has always been a straight shooter from the beginning....
That said...after four long years, no one is expected to keep up and post day to day.....
Sometimes we get too critical/short with emerging posters from the past.....
because some of us haven't always been here on SM....
SAN pointed out quickly Kat_Grams sincerity from the get go....
Point is......Let's not turn away opinions too soon just because a someone posts an opinion that may not necessarily reflect the short term discussions...
It's about Natalee/Beth/Dave....Justice

Totally agree with this post.  I guess I am an "emerging poster from the past" or I am one who hasn't always been here on SM.  I read nearly every day, don't post a lot because I do not have information that will help Natalee's case.  That doesn't mean I don't care what happens to her.  I don't know all of the history that has gone on here over the years nor do I know the people that have caused trouble in the past and/or continue to do so.  I do know that if a person is not made to feel welcome on a forum they will leave.  If a person is ignored on a forum they will leave.  I mean what is the point of continuing to post when you are ignored? 

It is a shame that people have their own agendas and stir up trouble but not everyone is all about that.  Some of us just want justice for Natalee.  That is the reason we are here.  All I have to offer is support.

I will go away again and continue to read and pray that Natalee will be brought home and the ones responsible are punished.  That's all I can do.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 11:04:57 AM
Good Morning Monkeys.

It is another beautiful day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.  Papa and I have been up for two hours playing Thomas Train with 2 1/2 year old grandson while Mommy and Daddy have a sleep in.  He is quite the little guy.  We are so blessed.

If anybody is aware if there is public access to TES and John Silvetti donations designated to the ocean search for Natalee Holloway ... I would appreciate if the info is posted.  I am working on it from this end.  I will share if anything significant is revealed.

Have a good day all!

Janet
8:00 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 24, 2009, 11:05:53 AM
Thank guys. Sorry for getting the pot stirred.
I do tend to agree with billb. I have been thinking the same thing myself for a long time as to what the actual purpose of the Persitence trip was.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 11:12:41 AM
Thank guys. Sorry for getting the pot stirred.
I do tend to agree with billb. I have been thinking the same thing myself for a long time as to what the actual purpose of the Persitence trip was.

Kat ... I know your heart from way back.

Hugs.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 24, 2009, 11:42:53 AM
Hi guys! I've been lurking and reading back and just wanted to say that on this week-end and upcoming anniversary of Natalee's disappearance, I'm saddened for Natalee's family for their loss, and that there is still no resolution to this case. I'm saddened that despite all the right questions, Aruba and known specific individuals have not been held accountable for the answers that would give the family the answers to bring resolution.

I'm so proud of Natalee's SM family, for without them the questions would not have emerged, and individuals would not have been identified that hold the answers. I wish the SM family had remained whole and of one purpose, and the fact that Natalee's interests slipped as the priority for some, adds to my sadness.

For those of us, like me, who come here to Stand With The Girl, we find Natalee's interests kept by the good stewards on this thread instead of the personal bickering, and nasty personal attacks that for a short time were part of Natalee's thread. That's a testament to the administration of this forum; that's a testament to Klaas, and I'm grateful to her that the thread has been restored.

My thoughts and heart are with Natalee and her Family, both her biological one, and her SM Family. Love You Guys!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/Natbird2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 11:43:24 AM
Thank guys. Sorry for getting the pot stirred.
I do tend to agree with billb. I have been thinking the same thing myself for a long time as to what the actual purpose of the Persitence trip was.


Kat

Although Americans must be continually reminded of the corrupt investigation that prevent justice from prevailing for one of their own ... focus must be kept on Kyle Kingman's own words which imply that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed in the trap as well as the John Silvetti's ultimate betrayal.

Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan along with the ROV footage have the ability to blow this aspect of the Aruban coverup wide open.  My prayer is that these two men will do what is right and ... the FBI can then bring pressure on Aruba to afford the family the opportunity to lay Natalee to rest on American soil.

I somehow believe that something is already going on behind the scenes and ... it is imperative that we stay the course.

Janet

++++++

THE PERSISTENCE - KEY PERSONNEL
 
Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 24, 2009, 11:51:23 AM
FWIW.......Kat_Gram has always been a straight shooter from the beginning....
That said...after four long years, no one is expected to keep up and post day to day.....
Sometimes we get too critical/short with emerging posters from the past.....
because some of us haven't always been here on SM....
SAN pointed out quickly Kat_Grams sincerity from the get go....
Point is......Let's not turn away opinions too soon just because a someone posts an opinion that may not necessarily reflect the short term discussions...
It's about Natalee/Beth/Dave....Justice

Totally agree with this post.  I guess I am an "emerging poster from the past" or I am one who hasn't always been here on SM.  I read nearly every day, don't post a lot because I do not have information that will help Natalee's case.  That doesn't mean I don't care what happens to her.  I don't know all of the history that has gone on here over the years nor do I know the people that have caused trouble in the past and/or continue to do so.  I do know that if a person is not made to feel welcome on a forum they will leave.  If a person is ignored on a forum they will leave.  I mean what is the point of continuing to post when you are ignored? 

It is a shame that people have their own agendas and stir up trouble but not everyone is all about that.  Some of us just want justice for Natalee.  That is the reason we are here.  All I have to offer is support.

I will go away again and continue to read and pray that Natalee will be brought home and the ones responsible are punished.  That's all I can do.


I have nothing to offer but support.  I think just offering that support shows the family we aren't giving up on Natalee.  I only want Justice for Natalee nothing more nothing less.

BOYCOTT ARUBA FOR LIFE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 11:51:44 AM
Kat

I do not believe that justice for Natalee Holloway will come from an Aruban court.  The implication is so far reaching in regards to thos involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the disposal of remains ... the coverup to protect Joran/Paulus which involved various levels of the Dutch/Aruban adminstration and judiciary ... the dirty little secrets encompassing Aruba's underground economy ....

Janet

+++++

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They neverthey never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Oprah Winfrey Show - January 16, 2008

Despite what authorities have said, Beth (Holloway) says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 24, 2009, 12:05:22 PM
Kat

I do not believe that justice for Natalee Holloway will come from an Aruban court.  The implication is so far reaching in regards to thos involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the disposal of remains ... the coverup to protect Joran/Paulus which involved various levels of the Dutch/Aruban adminstration and judiciary ... the dirty little secrets encompassing Aruba's underground economy ....

Janet

+++++

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They neverthey never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Oprah Winfrey Show - January 16, 2008

Despite what authorities have said, Beth (Holloway) says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Justice for Natalee will never come from Aruba or an Aruban involved.

Justice for Natalee will come from an American.

When I hear a certain person is involved from Aruba and they are looking for Justice for Natalee I say to myself here we go again.  Another BS story.

Basically if there is an Aruban connection there will never be justice.  I never believe all the BS posted that this person is working undercover...PLEASE!!!  They were working undercover alright but with Aruba to distract everyone away from this case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 24, 2009, 12:07:55 PM
FWIW.......Kat_Gram has always been a straight shooter from the beginning....
That said...after four long years, no one is expected to keep up and post day to day.....
Sometimes we get too critical/short with emerging posters from the past.....
because some of us haven't always been here on SM....
SAN pointed out quickly Kat_Grams sincerity from the get go....
Point is......Let's not turn away opinions too soon just because a someone posts an opinion that may not necessarily reflect the short term discussions...
It's about Natalee/Beth/Dave....Justice

Totally agree with this post.  I guess I am an "emerging poster from the past" or I am one who hasn't always been here on SM.  I read nearly every day, don't post a lot because I do not have information that will help Natalee's case.  That doesn't mean I don't care what happens to her.  I don't know all of the history that has gone on here over the years nor do I know the people that have caused trouble in the past and/or continue to do so.  I do know that if a person is not made to feel welcome on a forum they will leave.  If a person is ignored on a forum they will leave.  I mean what is the point of continuing to post when you are ignored? 

It is a shame that people have their own agendas and stir up trouble but not everyone is all about that.  Some of us just want justice for Natalee.  That is the reason we are here.  All I have to offer is support.

I will go away again and continue to read and pray that Natalee will be brought home and the ones responsible are punished.  That's all I can do.


I have nothing to offer but support.  I think just offering that support shows the family we aren't giving up on Natalee.  I only want Justice for Natalee nothing more nothing less.

BOYCOTT ARUBA FOR LIFE.

Good morning monkeys!

I feel the same way, San.

My thoughts are with Natalee's family and loved ones this weekend and always.  It is tragic that this family has been denied answers for four years, and that the cover up continues with the involvement of so many.

I have little to offer other than support and empathy for Natalee, Beth, and all of Natalee's loved ones.  I come here just about every day, because my intention is to stand with Natalee and Beth, and I feel that this is the place to do just that.

Beth, I have 36 years to make the stand with you, and I will.  If my child were missing and unaccounted for, I hope someone would make the stand with me.

The truth is not too much to ask for.  ::MonkeyCool::

Helen Back   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 24, 2009, 12:10:32 PM
Kat

I do not believe that justice for Natalee Holloway will come from an Aruban court.  The implication is so far reaching in regards to thos involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the disposal of remains ... the coverup to protect Joran/Paulus which involved various levels of the Dutch/Aruban adminstration and judiciary ... the dirty little secrets encompassing Aruba's underground economy ....

Janet

+++++

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They neverthey never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Oprah Winfrey Show - January 16, 2008

Despite what authorities have said, Beth (Holloway) says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Justice for Natalee will never come from Aruba or an Aruban involved.

Justice for Natalee will come from an American.

When I hear a certain person is involved from Aruba and they are looking for Justice for Natalee I say to myself here we go again.  Another BS story.

Basically if there is an Aruban connection there will never be justice.  I never believe all the BS posted that this person is working undercover...PLEASE!!!  They were working undercover alright but with Aruba to distract everyone away from this case.

People who are working undercover don't blab about it.


 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 24, 2009, 12:19:17 PM
Kat

I do not believe that justice for Natalee Holloway will come from an Aruban court.  The implication is so far reaching in regards to thos involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the disposal of remains ... the coverup to protect Joran/Paulus which involved various levels of the Dutch/Aruban adminstration and judiciary ... the dirty little secrets encompassing Aruba's underground economy ....

Janet

+++++

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They neverthey never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Oprah Winfrey Show - January 16, 2008

Despite what authorities have said, Beth (Holloway) says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Justice for Natalee will never come from Aruba or an Aruban involved.

Justice for Natalee will come from an American.

When I hear a certain person is involved from Aruba and they are looking for Justice for Natalee I say to myself here we go again.  Another BS story.

Basically if there is an Aruban connection there will never be justice.  I never believe all the BS posted that this person is working undercover...PLEASE!!!  They were working undercover alright but with Aruba to distract everyone away from this case.

People who are working undercover don't blab about it.


 ::MonkeyCool::


Exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 12:26:17 PM
Good Morning Helen and San

I do not believe that earthly justice for Natalee Holloway will ever happen.  I contend that earthly accountability will alway remain elusive.  The implications for Aruba and Holland are too far reaching.

However ... I am one with Beth Holloway and Art Wood that the truth may be revealed through one person who possesses first hand knowledge and ... comes to a place in his/her life when she/he is convicted to do what is right ... what is right for Natalee Holloway ... what is right for the family and ... what is right for his/her peace of mind.

Janet

++++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - December 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Oprah Winfrey Show - January 16, 2008

Despite what authorities have said, Beth (Holloway) says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 12:36:43 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
Kat

I do not believe that justice for Natalee Holloway will come from an Aruban court.  The implication is so far reaching in regards to thos involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the disposal of remains ... the coverup to protect Joran/Paulus which involved various levels of the Dutch/Aruban adminstration and judiciary ... the dirty little secrets encompassing Aruba's underground economy ....

Janet

+++++

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They neverthey never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Oprah Winfrey Show - January 16, 2008

Despite what authorities have said, Beth (Holloway) says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Justice for Natalee will never come from Aruba or an Aruban involved.

Justice for Natalee will come from an American.

When I hear a certain person is involved from Aruba and they are looking for Justice for Natalee I say to myself here we go again.  Another BS story.

Basically if there is an Aruban connection there will never be justice.  I never believe all the BS posted that this person is working undercover...PLEASE!!!  They were working undercover alright but with Aruba to distract everyone away from this case.


And that bunch of liars is still very active!  They'll say anything/everything to try to discourage the work being done here.  Why?  Because they have been EXPOSED here!  And they will continue to be exposed...for the rotten scum they are.  ALL OF THEM!

Some recent posts from a VERY wise monkey:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.msg811008#msg811008

Quote
I can only think of one reason that there would be three or four blogs that spend their time
bashing and stalking Kermit and Scared Monkeys.....that would be that they are afraid of being
exposed for what they are and what they have done to Natalee and her family.

If nothing that Kermit or the Monkeys posted was true, there would be no reason for them to
continue.

I don't kow how Kermit takes all of the abuse.  Kermit is very brave.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.msg809974#msg809974

Quote
There is no way to explain supporting Caps and still supporting Natalee.


::MonkeyCool::




 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 01:25:21 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 24, 2009, 01:27:13 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 01:31:15 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



I started to say in my post that if given a choice....they would probably prefer water-boarding!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 24, 2009, 01:58:38 PM
Thank guys. Sorry for getting the pot stirred.
I do tend to agree with billb. I have been thinking the same thing myself for a long time as to what the actual purpose of the Persitence trip was.

Me too!

January 7th - Aruba only divers retrieved evidence from cage/trap
Feb - off to U.S. to sell off ROV images
Mar - packed up to return to U.S.

What were they doing all that time after they let the Aruban's take the evidence?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 24, 2009, 01:59:02 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on May 24, 2009, 02:00:31 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



I started to say in my post that if given a choice....they would probably prefer water-boarding!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::





 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 02:01:15 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::

Sounds like an effective technique to me!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 02:54:49 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::

Sounds like an effective technique to me!   ::MonkeyDevil::

But we all know...including Ducky that "time alone with Tamikosmom" is where it's at!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 03:15:19 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::

.... or encouraging the witness/suspect taking a little walk across the Capilano Canyon on the suspension bridge while friends of the Tamikosmom are at both ends jumping up and down.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

++++++


Capilano Suspension Bridge

http://www.capbridge.com/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 03:17:19 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::

Sounds like an effective technique to me!   ::MonkeyDevil::

But we all know...including Ducky that "time alone with Tamikosmom" is where it's at!  ::MonkeyDance::

My eldest son claims he still wakes up sweating when he recalls his mother's interrogation methods when he was a teen.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 03:39:39 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::

.... or encouraging the witness/suspect taking a little walk across the Capilano Canyon on the suspension bridge while friends of the Tamikosmom are at both ends jumping up and down.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

++++++


Capilano Suspension Bridge

http://www.capbridge.com/index.html


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Makes me queasy just looking at it!    ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 03:45:20 PM
Texasmom

As a kid my brothers and I would run across that suspension bridge lickity split.  We loved it if there was a wind and the bridge would sway.   We had no fear.  Today ... I only go to the bridge if we have out-of-town company and ... I hang on to both sides for dear life as I inch myself across.  I never enjoy the attractions on the other side because I cannot stop thinking that the bridge is the only way I can return to life as I know it.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 24, 2009, 04:22:32 PM
Texasmom

As a kid my brothers and I would run across that suspension bridge lickity split.  We loved it if there was a wind and the bridge would sway.   We had no fear.  Today ... I only go to the bridge if we have out-of-town company and ... I hang on to both sides for dear life as I inch myself across.  I never enjoy the attractions on the other side because I cannot stop thinking that the bridge is the only way I can return to life as I know it.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

You're very brave Janet.  There is absolutely nothing I couldn't do without seeing, if the only means to get there were the bridge.  I hope your out of town company appreciates you for going through all of that!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2009, 06:18:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57018.php

Aruba
First night Soul Beach Festival not so busy
May 23, 2009, 17:24 (GMT -04:00)
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/23-aruba-voor_003.gif)

Public on the beach in Havana Beach Club on the first night of the Soul Beach Festival. In the water a bit later were a number visjachten purposes.

ORANGE CITY - The first evening already a ninth edition of the Soul Beach Festival was yesterday at the beach at Havana Beach Club instead. Despite all the promotion in the local media was that first night not crowded.

by Shade Cybulkiewicz
and Arin Rasmijn

Most of the audience came from the United States. On the program were Le Groove, winners of the Setar organized SMS contest for local bands, Wayne Brady and Estelle on. Estelle scored last year with Kanye West a big hit with the duet "American Boy". The audience responded enthusiastically when she along with her dancers appeared on stage and went right through the tape when a number of people in the audience went on stage with her dancing. They also got all her fans in the audience if its dance steps to do so. After Estelle came to Wayne Brady. He is less known in the music business but was a few years back not to miss in the TV program "Whose Line Is It Anyway". He said during his appearance yesterday that he actually break dancer and singer wanted to be when he was younger. "I got the chance to in a TV program to offer and took that chance." He also has a good talent he has to prove yesterday. Brady's great talent, in addition to making jokes between numbers, is perhaps its greatest handicap. He does the voices of R & B legends like Marvin Gaye, Teddy Pendergrass and Sam Cooke perfect after, in numbers that in some style conscious weghebben of their respective repertoires. Despite the impressive performance, the demand for more originality a little nibble. Tonight will be expected to be busier than what yesterday as Oscar winner Jamie Foxx and singer on the program, along with the Jamaican / American singer Etana and local fixed value Hildward Croes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 24, 2009, 06:39:54 PM
.... or encouraging the witness/suspect taking a little walk across the Capilano Canyon on the suspension bridge while friends of the Tamikosmom are at both ends jumping up and down.
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
++++++
Capilano Suspension Bridge
http://www.capbridge.com/index.html

I'd like to interrogate, and I'd use a bridge also, but not a suspension bridge.  I'd use the suspension methodology, though :-)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/photo_777/Jumping.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 24, 2009, 06:41:43 PM
.... or encouraging the witness/suspect taking a little walk across the Capilano Canyon on the suspension bridge while friends of the Tamikosmom are at both ends jumping up and down.
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
++++++
Capilano Suspension Bridge
http://www.capbridge.com/index.html

I'd like to interrogate, and I'd use a bridge also, but not a suspension bridge.  I'd use the suspension methodology, though :-)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/photo_777/Jumping.jpg)


Can't we just cut the rope  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 24, 2009, 06:52:19 PM


Can't we just cut the rope  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That is over water - we could test Joran's swimming abilities.  Paulus is always swimming in sweat anyways.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 24, 2009, 06:54:07 PM


Can't we just cut the rope  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That is over water - we could test Joran's swimming abilities.  Paulus is always swimming in sweat anyways.

Right and he always has his fly open for photo ops with Joe Tacopina.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdszipper.gif)

Edited to add photo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 24, 2009, 07:00:39 PM


Can't we just cut the rope  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That is over water - we could test Joran's swimming abilities.  Paulus is always swimming in sweat anyways.

Right and he always has his fly open for photo ops with Joe Tacopina.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I almost used that full length photo, and the "Wasted" one of Joran with his arm above his head..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 24, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
Hey Beans - Hello...

Here is the reason why we are here 4 years later...
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/photo_777/Natalee.jpg)



{edited to fix typo}


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 07:28:20 PM
Texasmom

As a kid my brothers and I would run across that suspension bridge lickity split.  We loved it if there was a wind and the bridge would sway.   We had no fear.  Today ... I only go to the bridge if we have out-of-town company and ... I hang on to both sides for dear life as I inch myself across.  I never enjoy the attractions on the other side because I cannot stop thinking that the bridge is the only way I can return to life as I know it.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

You're very brave Janet.  There is absolutely nothing I couldn't do without seeing, if the only means to get there were the bridge.  I hope your out of town company appreciates you for going through all of that!   ::MonkeyAngel::



They do not have a clue.  I do not want to deter company from experiencing one of Vancouver's most popular tourist attractions.  If the company is relatives from Japan ... hubby owes me big time.  Scrabble games.  Olive Garden. A play at the Queen Elizabeth theater in downtown Vancouver.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 07:32:38 PM
ohcanda is very quiet lately.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif)

credit: none

Janet

++++++

Name:  ohcanada
Posts:  103 (0.609 per day)
Position:  Scared Monkey
Date Registered: December 05, 2008, 10:34:01 PM
Last Active: Today at 04:56:45 PM  


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=5485


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 24, 2009, 07:34:20 PM
Happy Memorial Day, Monkeys.

Thursday, June 2nd - the first news report I heard about Natalee being missing
Friday, June 3rd - the first time I saw something that was "wrong" regarding the case
Friday, June 10th - case was solved and the official cover-up began

Monday, June 13 - my first laugh, when Rob was trying to post on the forum and didn't like it (vs comments on the front page blog). TTown"Mikey" was trying to tell him to just give it a try and he might like it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 24, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
Thank you for the typo fix, San.  I'm glad you are "here".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 07:50:16 PM
ohcanada
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #454 on: May 05, 2009, 02:00:38 AM

Please dont take this the wrong way monkeys
because I believe you's are absolutely incredible
and you's should all get medals for your
magnificent efforts

but when you's are kicking the persistence and their
connections around  there is absolutely no
pressure what so ever on the three idiots and their
accomplices


even if we keep guessing at things and perhaps make
hits or near hits once in a while it will keep some
pressure n the dirty scumbags and maybe just
maybe one will crack
you's are amazing people

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796580#msg796580


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
Reply #1424 on: May 14, 2009, 02:26:44 PM

Another attempt to take the focus off the Persistence ... off of Kyle Kingman's own words.  IMO.

Although Americans must be reminded of the corrupt investigation that prevent justice from prevailing for one of their own ... focus must be kept on Kyle Kingman's own words which imply that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed in the trap as well as the John Silvetti's ultimate betrayal.

Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan along with the ROV footage have the ability to blow this aspect of the Aruban coverup wide open.  My prayer is that these two men will do what is right and ... the FBI can then bring pressure on Aruba to afford the family the opportunity to lay Natalee to rest on American soil.

My prayer is that something is already going on behind the scenes.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg806239#msg806239


+++++++++


Could it be that ohcanda was attempting to direct attention away from the Persistence because the contents of the trap held a direct link to Joran van der Sloot ... his sneaker.

Janet

_________


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap6.jpg)

Images:  Kyle Kingman

credit: Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 08:06:06 PM
I hope Americans Monkeys are having a great long weekend.

We are meeting hubby's niece and family for dinner at the Olive Garden in an hour.  This gal married an American (California) and the family travelled to BC for the long weekend.  An extra day was tacked onto each end of the holiday getaway.  They are all spending the night and leaving in the morning but will be back for a cousin's wedding in July.

Tomorrow

Janet
5:05 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2009, 08:21:01 PM
Happy Memorial Day, Monkeys.

Thursday, June 2nd - the first news report I heard about Natalee being missing
Friday, June 3rd - the first time I saw something that was "wrong" regarding the case
Friday, June 10th - case was solved and the official cover-up began

Monday, June 13 - my first laugh, when Rob was trying to post on the forum and didn't like it (vs comments on the front page blog). TTown"Mikey" was trying to tell him to just give it a try and he might like it.

Sleuth - I remember that, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 24, 2009, 08:24:43 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::

.... or encouraging the witness/suspect taking a little walk across the Capilano Canyon on the suspension bridge while friends of the Tamikosmom are at both ends jumping up and down.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

++++++


Capilano Suspension Bridge

http://www.capbridge.com/index.html


Janet, that would do the trick for me!  I have and "extreme" fear of heights and bridges.  I would give anyone any information they needed from me just to get as far away as I could from that bridge.  Me and hubby went to New River Gorge in West Virginia and drove across the bridge between two mountains/gorges and I almost passed out.  Made hubby go the other direction coming home and it cost him 250 miles more than if we had crossed that bridge going home.  He was very upset with me.   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.officialbridgeday.com/facts.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 24, 2009, 08:30:00 PM
I know this is not the anniversary persae of Natalee's death at the hands of Joran VDS, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and all the others WE KNOW who were involved including the mastermind Paulus Van Der Sloot but it was 4 years ago Memorial Day weekend that these low-lifes took a beautiful lady and craved her out from her group and murdered her and disposed of her and to this day they have not faced justice for what they have done to her.  My thoughts and prayers are always with Beth and Dave for what they have had to endure over the course of four years at the hands of Aruba.  Beth, I am still with you and I know we here at SM with walk beside you for as long as you need us.  God love you and peace be with you and Dave.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 24, 2009, 08:33:26 PM
Happy Memorial Day, Monkeys.

Thursday, June 2nd - the first news report I heard about Natalee being missing
Friday, June 3rd - the first time I saw something that was "wrong" regarding the case
Friday, June 10th - case was solved and the official cover-up began

Monday, June 13 - my first laugh, when Rob was trying to post on the forum and didn't like it (vs comments on the front page blog). TTown"Mikey" was trying to tell him to just give it a try and he might like it.

Sleuth - I remember that, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I feel like we should be sitting on the porch in rockers............... I remember it too!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm not sure I was actually posting yet............ SandraK skeered me, so I remember wading in while Mrs. Red was online. She would actually say "HUH?" to her, when "HUH?" was what I was thinking!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2009, 08:41:09 PM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::

.... or encouraging the witness/suspect taking a little walk across the Capilano Canyon on the suspension bridge while friends of the Tamikosmom are at both ends jumping up and down.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

++++++


Capilano Suspension Bridge

http://www.capbridge.com/index.html


Janet, that would do the trick for me!  I have and "extreme" fear of heights and bridges.  I would give anyone any information they needed from me just to get as far away as I could from that bridge.  Me and hubby went to New River Gorge in West Virginia and drove across the bridge between two mountains/gorges and I almost passed out.  Made hubby go the other direction coming home and it cost him 250 miles more than if we had crossed that bridge going home.  He was very upset with me.    ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.officialbridgeday.com/facts.html

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Blue Moon

I can't stop laughing.  You made my day.  Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Frijole on May 24, 2009, 08:47:54 PM
Hey Beans - Hello...

Here is the reason why we are here 4 years later...
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/photo_777/Natalee.jpg)



{edited to fix typo}


Hi Sleuth!  Sorry I stepped away for a few hours and just saw your greeting.  Yes indeed.  4 years later.  Who would have thought?  Rest In Peace dearest Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2009, 08:57:29 PM
DANA PRETZER SHOW  - IN ABOUT 5 MINUTES:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Sunday, May 24, 2009 - Special Guests: Stacy Dittrich, Drew Petersons Attorney Joel Brodsky and Robin Sax with Nothing but the Sax

Join Dana Pretzer Sunday at 9 pm ET and listen live. 

Tonights Special Guests will include:

Stacy Dittrich - Author of the new book Mary Janes Grave. She is an award winning 15-year law enforcement officer and former detective specializing in sex crimes. 


Joel Brodsky - The attorney for Drew Peterson will fill us in on what is going on with the case against Drew Peterson, charged with the murder of his third wife Kathleen Savio.



Robin Sax - Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney who specializes in prosecuting sex crimes against children. Read Robins new book, Predators and Child Molesters: What Every Parent Needs to Know to Keep Kids Safe. She will be discussing crimes in the news with her weekly segment, Nothing But the Sax.



TUNE IN TONIGHT AT 9 PM ET
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 12:30:35 AM
Thank guys. Sorry for getting the pot stirred.
I do tend to agree with billb. I have been thinking the same thing myself for a long time as to what the actual purpose of the Persitence trip was.

Me too!

January 7th - Aruba only divers retrieved evidence from cage/trap
Feb - off to U.S. to sell off ROV images
Mar - packed up to return to U.S.

What were they doing all that time after they let the Aruban's take the evidence?



bump

 ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 12:46:26 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:45 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 12:50:59 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:45 PM PT

Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 12:55:31 AM
The credibility of the person ... who comes forwards and reveals the truth encompassing the happenings of that May 30, 2005 morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would be determined through an FBI interrogation and ... an FBI polygraph.  Maybe some time alone with Tamikosmom ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet 

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I would prefer the interrogation take place with Tamikosmom!
Her techniques are better then water-boarding.



 :smt045 I think Ducky's idea of water-boarding might be to hold their heads under Niagra Falls until they bubble....   ::MonkeyWink::

.... or encouraging the witness/suspect taking a little walk across the Capilano Canyon on the suspension bridge while friends of the Tamikosmom are at both ends jumping up and down.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

++++++


Capilano Suspension Bridge

http://www.capbridge.com/index.html


Janet, that would do the trick for me!  I have and "extreme" fear of heights and bridges.  I would give anyone any information they needed from me just to get as far away as I could from that bridge.  Me and hubby went to New River Gorge in West Virginia and drove across the bridge between two mountains/gorges and I almost passed out.  Made hubby go the other direction coming home and it cost him 250 miles more than if we had crossed that bridge going home.  He was very upset with me.   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.officialbridgeday.com/facts.html

Now that sounds like something I would do Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Except I'm not sure just how upset it would make my hubby...we used to argue all the way to Mississippi about who "was not" going to drive over the Mississippi River Bridge at Vicksburg.  It's not near as bad as some I've seen but still makes me queasy every time I cross it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 25, 2009, 01:07:25 AM
I have been over some crazy bridges (like the Sunshine Skyway bridge in Tampa).  I put my faith in the engineers!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 01:15:05 AM
I have been over some crazy bridges (like the Sunshine Skyway bridge in Tampa).  I put my faith in the engineers!

I've seen a few too many fail!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

My hubby still talks about driving over the Royal Gorge before he was old enough to have a driver's license...needless to say I'm glad I wasn't there!

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 25, 2009, 01:41:34 AM
I have been over some crazy bridges (like the Sunshine Skyway bridge in Tampa).  I put my faith in the engineers!

I've seen a few too many fail!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

My hubby still talks about driving over the Royal Gorge before he was old enough to have a driver's license...needless to say I'm glad I wasn't there!

 ::MonkeyWink::

Ha...I just came back and this conversation made me laugh....at friend's picnic today someone brought up a bridge in MD or DE...& I knew right away, because it's a long one over a river who's name escapes me....I don't like it.  Friend's DH says she closes her eyes until they are over it.   

Thanks to our Veterans.  God Bless you all!

God Bless Natalee and her family. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 02:05:01 AM
                                 JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                     GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:08:33 AM
                                 JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                     GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH


Good Night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 02:09:42 AM
                                 JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                     GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH


Good Night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight Tm..Hope your enjoying your Memorial Weekend..Just lookin some stuff up real quick...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:10:22 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:11:43 AM
                                 JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                     GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH


Good Night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight Tm..Hope your enjoying your Memorial Weekend..Just lookin some stuff up real quick...

It's been nice...especially being off tomorrow too!  I hope you've enjoyed yours too!

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 25, 2009, 02:13:32 AM
Goodnight Everyone.

KTF just wanted to show you a screen capture on how I centered the writing.  You don't have to put spaces.


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/JusticeforNatalee.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 02:14:08 AM
                                 JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                     GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH


Good Night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight Tm..Hope your enjoying your Memorial Weekend..Just lookin some stuff up real quick...

It's been nice...especially being off tomorrow too!  I hope you've enjoyed yours too!

 ::MonkeyCool::



Very much so!Thanx.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 25, 2009, 02:14:52 AM
                                 JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                     GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH


Good Night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight Tm..Hope your enjoying your Memorial Weekend..Just lookin some stuff up real quick...

It's been nice...especially being off tomorrow too!  I hope you've enjoyed yours too!

 ::MonkeyCool::



I'm so happy to be off tomorrow too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 02:17:59 AM
Goodnight Everyone.

KTF just wanted to show you a screen capture on how I centered the writing.  You don't have to put spaces.


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/JusticeforNatalee.jpg)

Wreck told me how to do it one day..I'll have to try again in the practice thread.Been hangin out with BillB's Uncle Bubba too much.. ::MonkeyHaHa::  Daughter knows how to use the computer better then i!Very scary.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:18:59 AM
Goodnight Everyone.

KTF just wanted to show you a screen capture on how I centered the writing.  You don't have to put spaces.


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/JusticeforNatalee.jpg)

Good Night San!  No work tomorrow!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 02:19:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


                                     
NOTHING MORE,NOTHING LESS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 25, 2009, 02:20:47 AM
Goodnight Everyone.

KTF just wanted to show you a screen capture on how I centered the writing.  You don't have to put spaces.


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/JusticeforNatalee.jpg)

Wreck told me how to do it one day..I'll have to try again in the practice thread.Been hangin out with BillB's Uncle Bubba too much.. ::MonkeyHaHa::  Daughter knows how to use the computer better then i!Very scary.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just wasn't sure if you knew how and wanted to show you.  All kids know how to use the computer better than us that's the scary thing.  That's why parents need to keep up with the kids.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 25, 2009, 02:21:11 AM
Happy Memorial Day Everyone!  Stay Safe and Have a Great Day!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:21:46 AM
Goodnight Everyone.

KTF just wanted to show you a screen capture on how I centered the writing.  You don't have to put spaces.


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/JusticeforNatalee.jpg)

Wreck told me how to do it one day..I'll have to try again in the practice thread.Been hangin out with BillB's Uncle Bubba too much.. ::MonkeyHaHa::  Daughter knows how to use the computer better then i!Very scary.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

KTF...you just highlight the text you want to center...and then click on the one in blue on San's screen capture!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 25, 2009, 02:22:18 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:22:38 AM
Happy Memorial Day Everyone!  Stay Safe and Have a Great Day!  ::MonkeyCool::

You too Hotping!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
Happy Memorial Day Everyone!  Stay Safe and Have a Great Day!  ::MonkeyCool::

You too Hotping!   ::MonkeyDance::

Ditto to texasmom, hotping, Magnolia, CBB,as well as San..Thanx for the heads up on the center feature..Now i will center everything.. ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:29:35 AM
Happy Memorial Day Everyone!  Stay Safe and Have a Great Day!  ::MonkeyCool::

You too Hotping!   ::MonkeyDance::

Ditto to texasmom, hotping, Magnolia, CBB,as well as San..Thanx for the heads up on the center feature..Now i will center everything.. ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 25, 2009, 02:33:32 AM
Good Night All!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:35:48 AM
Good Night All!  ::cartwheel::

Good Night Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 02:37:19 AM
Good Night All!  ::cartwheel::

GoodNight HotPing..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Red on May 25, 2009, 09:14:00 AM
Memorial Day 2009 Remember & Honor Our Brave who Have Served and Sacrificed for Your Freedoms

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/25/memorial-day-2009-remember-honor-our-brave-who-have-served-and-sacrificed-for-your-freedoms/

Quote
On this Memorial Day please remember to give thanks and honor those who have laid down their lives in the ultimate sacrifice to protect our liberty and freedom.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/memorial_day2008_3_small.jpg)

To often in the United States we look for heroes in the wrong places or we use the term hero when it should never be. These individuals who have died to protect our way of life are and always will be true, American Heroes.

May everyone have a safe and happy Memorial Day ... Please remember to say a prayer and thank those who have laid down their lives for us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 25, 2009, 09:20:25 AM
Amen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 25, 2009, 10:00:05 AM
Amen.

And Amen.

Can? I can't seem to catch you, and I apologize for bringing up avi stuff, but this is here for you, should you want it:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/can.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/can.gif

There are several for pick up at the Patriotic link in my signature line for you guys if you should want them! If yours isn't there, leave me a post and I'll get right to it!  ::MonkeyWink::

Good Morning, Monkeys and I hope you're having a wonderful Memorial Day! Lots to remember around this Holiday, I know. The sacrifices made for us by our troops, and of course the anniversary of Natalee's disappearance. I'm glad to spend it with you guys! Love You All!!

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 25, 2009, 10:41:11 AM
Memorial Day 2009 Remember & Honor Our Brave who Have Served and Sacrificed for Your Freedoms

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/25/memorial-day-2009-remember-honor-our-brave-who-have-served-and-sacrificed-for-your-freedoms/

Quote
On this Memorial Day please remember to give thanks and honor those who have laid down their lives in the ultimate sacrifice to protect our liberty and freedom.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/memorial_day2008_3_small.jpg)

To often in the United States we look for heroes in the wrong places or we use the term hero when it should never be. These individuals who have died to protect our way of life are and always will be true, American Heroes.

May everyone have a safe and happy Memorial Day ... Please remember to say a prayer and thank those who have laid down their lives for us.

Amen Red.  May we always honor these brave men and women and in times like we are in today I hope we, as free individuals, DO NOT let freedom slip away.  We need to stand up and preserve what these people in our great country fought for.  If we don't do it who will? 

HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY SM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
Memorial Day 2009 Remember & Honor Our Brave who Have Served and Sacrificed for Your Freedoms

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/25/memorial-day-2009-remember-honor-our-brave-who-have-served-and-sacrificed-for-your-freedoms/

Quote
On this Memorial Day please remember to give thanks and honor those who have laid down their lives in the ultimate sacrifice to protect our liberty and freedom.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/memorial_day2008_3_small.jpg)

To often in the United States we look for heroes in the wrong places or we use the term hero when it should never be. These individuals who have died to protect our way of life are and always will be true, American Heroes.

May everyone have a safe and happy Memorial Day ... Please remember to say a prayer and thank those who have laid down their lives for us.

Thanks Red!

Awesome tribute for those who have laid down their lives for all of us.  Also for those who currently serve to protect our freedom.

Everyone be sure to watch the videos...very moving.

Great reminder that freedom isn't free.

Wishing everyone a safe and Happy Memorial Day!

TM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 11:48:51 AM
Memorial Day 2009 Remember & Honor Our Brave who Have Served and Sacrificed for Your Freedoms

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/25/memorial-day-2009-remember-honor-our-brave-who-have-served-and-sacrificed-for-your-freedoms/

Quote
On this Memorial Day please remember to give thanks and honor those who have laid down their lives in the ultimate sacrifice to protect our liberty and freedom.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/memorial_day2008_3_small.jpg)

To often in the United States we look for heroes in the wrong places or we use the term hero when it should never be. These individuals who have died to protect our way of life are and always will be true, American Heroes.

May everyone have a safe and happy Memorial Day ... Please remember to say a prayer and thank those who have laid down their lives for us.

Thank you Red.

In Canada ... November 11th is a day set aside to honor and remember both those who paid the ultimate sacrifice for the freedoms we have inherited as well as those who survived the conflicts.

I am 62 years old.  I have attended Remembrance Day services and watch Remembrance Day parades all my life.  My Grandfather fought in WWI.  In WWII ... my Father fought, was gravely wounded and taken prisoner by the Germans prior to being transferred to a hospital in England where he spent almost two years recoverng.  Over the years ... my Father seldom talked about his service overseas but ... insisted that his children understood the meaning behind Remembrance Day.

However ... it was not until the past seven years that I have fully comprehended in my heart what the foundation established by my Father really meant.  It was only in the past seven years that I could truly relate.

This morning it was reported on CNN this morning that almost 6,000 lives ... mostly young people ... mostly young man who are the same age as my own sons ...  have been lost in the Iraq and Afganistan conflicts.

My prayers go out to the countless loved ones of the fallen whose lives have been forever affected by these two conflict ... two conflicts where the enemy is those who embrace an ideology ... an ideology whose adherences have no respect for life ... an ideology whose adherences are willing to die for.

Ephesians 6:12
We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
.


Sincerely, Janet

++++++

CANADA

Remembrance Day - November 11th

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=history/other/remember


UNITED STATES

Memorial Day - May 30th (Observed last Monday in May)
http://www.usmemorialday.org/

Veterans Day - November 11th
http://www1.va.gov/opa/vetsday/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 12:26:52 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57011.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Light earthquake

May 23, 2009, 17:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - On Thursday eighteen to eleven at night on the island was a slight earthquake felt in San Nicolas, Brazil, Savaneta, Cura Cabai, Balashi, Paradera and Sta.Cruz. According to data from the meteorological department Venezuela received showed it was a shock of 3.1 on the Richter scale to go. The epicenter was 66 kilometers northeast of Punto Fijo, on the coast of Cabo San Roman on the peninsula of Para Guana, Venezuela, at a depth of 28.5 kilometers. Last Wednesday was a shock site, this time with a force of 4 on the Richter scale, near St. Maarten. According to the meteorological service by the seismologists in Venezuela slight tremor measured daily in the Caribbean.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 01:12:05 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

My hubby was behind a border incident this morning that could have landed his niece and family in a lot of hot water.

The gang all left for their California home this morning.  However ... we received a call an hour later.  The family had just been given permission to proceed across the border.

Just prior to leaving our home this morning ... my hubby quietly handed a plastic container full of sushi rolls to 11 year old great nephew who was sitting in the back of the mini van.  He had spent yesterday afternoon making these rolls as a lunch for their journey.

Anyways ... niece's hubby was asked at the border if they were bringing back into the States any goods or food.  He innocently answered "no".  He explained that they had only  come to Canada to attend a family gathering.  However ... his son corrected his Dad and informed him that Uncle had given this lunch.  After a few minutes of questioning ... the sushi rolls were left behind as the family headed south.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/madMonkey.gif)

Janet
10:00 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 01:20:57 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

My hubby was behind a border incident this morning that could have landed his niece and family in a lot of hot water.

The gang all left for their California home this morning.  However ... we received a call an hour later.  The family had just been given permission to proceed across the border.

Just prior to leaving our home this morning ... my hubby quietly handed a plastic container full of sushi rolls to 11 year old great nephew who was sitting in the back of the mini van.  He had spent yesterday afternoon making these rolls as a lunch for their journey.

Anyways ... niece's hubby was asked at the border if they were bringing back into the States any goods or food.  He innocently answered "no".  He explained that they had only  come to Canada to attend a family gathering.  However ... his son corrected his Dad and informed him that Uncle had given this lunch.  After a few minutes of questioning ... the sushi rolls were left behind as the family headed south.

  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/madMonkey.gif)

Janet
10:00 AM

Poor guy, he was just trying to make sure his great nephew didn't get hungry on the trip home!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wonder if the Border Patrol will be calling for the recipe?   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 01:31:03 PM
texasmom

There were enough sushi rolls in that container to feed an army.  Hubby should have handed the container to his niece.  She would have known it could not be brought across the border or ... at least it would not appear to the border guard that they were attempting to be dishonest.  His niece was laughing when she related the incident but ... hubby is troubled.  The incident was most likely documented.  He is really going to get it from his sister.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey texasmom ... I messed up with the "mad monkey" icon you provided and give me permission to use.  Story of my life.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 02:49:27 PM
texasmom

There were enough sushi rolls in that container to feed an army.  Hubby should have handed the container to his niece.  She would have known it could not be brought across the border or ... at least it would not appear to the border guard that they were attempting to be dishonest.  His niece was laughing when she related the incident but ... hubby is troubled.  The incident was most likely documented.  He is really going to get it from his sister.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey texasmom ... I messed up with the "mad monkey" icon you provided and give me permission to use.  Story of my life.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

It's o.k. Janet, I fixed it for you in my reply!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
Janet, see my post in musings!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 03:48:53 PM
HAPPY MEMEORIAL DAY TO THE NATALEE MONKEY BUNCH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on May 25, 2009, 04:10:36 PM
May everyone have a safe and happy Memorial Day!

(http://i41.tinypic.com/30t1g1g.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 04:39:02 PM
BLOGS FOR NATALEE

ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
 August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


REALITY

The Refugees

Reality:  But the vast majority of the Refugees are just nice people wanting the TRUTH of what happened to Natalee.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4454.30


Joran van der Sloot

Reality:  How is the conclusion arrived at that Joran was wild?  From what I have read, seen and heard, this young fellow seems pretty normal, nothing wilder than the MB Kids that were on Aruba.  In fact, a little pussy-cat when compared to kids that age that I have seen and don't even begin to tell me that does not apply to kids from the US.  One has to take much of the slandering of this kid with a pinch of salt, these are enuendos put forth by the Right Wing US Media, much the same as was applied to the alledged victim of Duke.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4006.msg121427

Reality:  From what I have been reading over the past 15 months, there is absolutely no evidence of foul play
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4670.msg158480#msg158480


The Mountain Brook Students

Reality:  Those MB Brats, I wonder if they have started talking yet, possibly in the last year, whilst in the real world and away from the bosoms of their Mama's ?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4226.msg148163#msg148163

Reality:  Yes it is very strange that a Senator had to basically, URGE them to co-operate.  That doesn't make any sense, don't you think ?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4454.30

Reality:   I recall seeing some newspaper article where it said that Joran hung out with the brats and got into a "pushing scuffle, nothing dramatic.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5149.msg171044#msg171044


The Boycott

Reality:  In my tried and tested opinion the only achievment the Boycott can claim is that of offending innocent Aruban People and hampering the investigation.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?action=search2


Reality:

Dear Curves,

I am truly saddened that you have allowed your fine organization to be swayed to a very small minority of hate mongers & xenophobes who for the most part have never even set foot in Aruba let alone even heard of Aruba prior to May 31st, 2005.

Youre pulling of the Aruba sweepstakes speaks volumes to a company being swayed by lies & fabrications.

As an American citizen living in Aruba for many years now let me give you a perspective that none of the protest emails can even come close to.

Aruba is by far the safest island destination in the Caribbean.
Arubas judicial system is based on Dutch law, world renowned as a fair and balanced system.

Arubas people are highly educated individuals where most here speak at least 3 to 5 languages.
 
Aruba has had ONE missing person in the last year, and that person may not even be a victim of a crime.

You have done your valued customers a disservice by pulling your Aruba sweepstakes by depriving them the opportunity to truly experience what an island paradise really is.

If you would like more information about the real Aruba please email at the following and I will be more than happy to set the record straight with facts not the fiction you have based your decision on to pull your Aruba Sweepstakes.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=2854.150



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blonde on May 25, 2009, 05:06:03 PM
Janet,That post is a keeper


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blonde on May 25, 2009, 05:16:17 PM
Do you have one on( MIP6 )MARK I PURCELL the 6 was for how many years he lived in Aruba in 2005 when Natalee went missing.
 I do believe he was much worse.
MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16

I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 05:30:52 PM
ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Blogs for Natalee

Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


MARK PURCELL/MIP6/DOC HOLLADAY

August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16


I figure with my next post I should get the boot, havent decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191


Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Daves work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world IF it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag (thanks Wang) banshee of a mother.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:09 pm
We will be partying tonight at Kokoa Bar at the De Palm pier it will be there last night at that location so we are going to be giving them a big send off for there last night.  If Natalee shows up for the party I'll be sure to find the closest internet connection and let everyone know.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beths crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beths crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
Doesnt surprise me any that Debbie would do that. The title of this thread is Debbies Integrity should read Debbies total lack of Morals & Integrity. She is the head cheerleader for all things Twitty / Holloway. Someone mentioned to me that Debbie was just being used by the family to move the family agenda forward, I called Bullshit, Debbie knows exactly what she is doing. This is a blatant attempt to smear Julia because the Twitholes fear her knowledge of what they did here in Aruba. Just like all others who where close to the family in the beginning, they now have put in play a planned focused effort to discredit Julia. This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I cant wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world IF it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag banshee of a mother.

Holladay PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:14 pm
I see we have a couple of f*** nuggets trying to make Julia look like the bad guy (gal) again.  Dont you Kool-Aid drinking fucktards (damn I love that word) understand yet, I and I assume many on this board will believe what Julia has to say over anything Beth ever puts forward from her journal of lies and fabrication.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalees parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasnt accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.

Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blonde on May 25, 2009, 05:56:11 PM
Thank You Janet,That post is a keeper also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 06:20:44 PM
ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Blogs for Natalee

Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM


PETER VAN DER VLIET AKA RAMMSTEIN

Peter van der Vliet:  I have reservations with some of the things Beth Twitty claims, she constantly says she has evidence but never produces it, she claims to have tapes (or at least Skeeter has) but so far they have not produced them to the legal authorities, sources say those tapes were made way before Joran was released (even before the re-arrest of the Kalpoes) and then one wonders why it took so long to refer to these tapes, claims Beth and Jug make on the sensationalistic news-shows without any proof.

But my biggest disbelieve is the story they are telling about the first night, she and her husband Jug claim that Joran took Jug to the side that first night and told him all about what he and Natalee had done the night before, even about the sex etc. Now I may have some faith in some of her claims but this one is totally unbelievable in my eyes. Why would Joran take the father (stepfather but who cares) to the side and confess things he didn't even confess too in hours of intense questioning by gangs of police officers in 12 or 13 hour sessions of questioning?? I am sorry but what Beth, Jug and their friends are claiming was said during that first night, I don't put much stock in their stories/declarations.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/oct/article161.html

Peter van der Vliet:  I normally give people the benefit of the doubt but my willingness to give Beth Twitty that benefit is quickly running out, and it's purely due to her and her entourages behavior who are according to me are becoming a hindrance to the case and are no longer part of the solution.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/oct/article161.html

Rammstein:  He only briefly looked at some sites, downloading a few pictures. Maybe he was just looking for pictures. That is what people do who go to Google images you know (at least that is what I do when looking for pictures ) because if PvdS had been looking for articles/information he would have used google.com proper and given a bit more specific search-queries IMHO like "alcohol XTC" "or "alcohol drugs" etc.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg145333#msg145333

Rammstein:  This has nothing to do with believe but with the facts. Fact is that Paul barely had the pages open long enough to read them. And we don't even know what kind of law-firm he was looking at.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg144988#msg144988

Rammstein: His son, yes, he lied like it was going out of fashion but he cannot help it if his son lies to the police.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg143724#msg143724

Rammstein:  IMHO there have been no improper judicial decisions. All the decisions were made in accordance with law and jurisprudence. The judge may only use as evidence the materials that are presented during trial. If the DA doesn't do what it is supposed to do and present "legal and convincing" evidence then no judge will rule for the prosecution.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg141447#msg141447

Rammstein:  In other words, a man in a dark uniform was described, not a dark-skinned man. Why the police then arrested 2 dark skinned guards was probably because of their "detective work" and not because the K2 brothers had fingered black coloured men.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4356.msg139097#msg139097

Rammstein:  If Natalee had never been in the main house and only possibly have been in the appartement, what reasoning did the police have to search the dwelling where Natalee had never set foot in?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4436.msg138402#msg138402

Rammstein:  Yes, he got permission to play poker, a poker tournament (free poker tournament). He wasn't allowed (from what I have heard) to gamble with real money, just poker in the free tournaments.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg147338#msg147338

Rammstein:  Why pick up a person that most likely was already at home at that time. Maybe Valentijn Even heard his brother come in at 3.25am (or thereabouts). Anyway, if Joran didn't call the house (and that is not likely because in none of the statements so far he has been asked about him calling his own house that night) then it is not very likely that his dad had a premination to go pick up his son at McD's that night. What you don't know you cannot do.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4518.msg146207#msg146207

Rammstein:  That was denied by Paul (him ever having said that) and again, Joran was already home at that moment in time. How can he go and pick up a son that is safely sitting at home?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg143729#msg143729

Peter van der Vliet:  That is why I think it is grossly unfair for Natalee's mother to ask people no longer to visit any dutch territory, the governments of the Netherlands Antilles, the government of the Netherlands and the ruling body of the Kingdom of the Netherlands have no say in internal matters of Aruba.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/sept/article476.html

Peter van der Vliet:  If this Twitty person has a problem about how our kingdom is run she can get the hell out of it. People like that we can do without.
 http://gigablast.com/get?d=175018051751


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 06:22:34 PM
Thank You Janet,That post is a keeper also.

Thanks Blonde.  How is it going?

Janet

+++++++

Lots more quotes at:

Topic: MIP6 and REALITY - are they part of the disinformation team?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 08:16:11 PM
A REMINDER

'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 08:18:46 PM
A REMINDER


THE FINAL GOODBYE
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 15/16:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005 ...

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things into the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house.  It was very dark at that hour, and we were both ony half awake.  But we did talk some.  Small talk.  We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, suncreen, and the like.  When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life.  The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin.  She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag.  I got out and walked around the car to help her.  She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you!  Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side.  I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door.  Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked over my shoulder to see her go inside.  The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in.  I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside.  The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely.  It was pitch-black again.  I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 08:20:45 PM
A REMINDER

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Page 231
:  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.  I love Natalee and miss her very much.  And still fantasize about the possibility that one day a call will come telling me that I need to go to the island.  To get her.  I want to always be prepared for that imaginary call.  So I keep my passport with me at all times.  And right next to mine is Natalee's.

Just in case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 08:23:33 PM
A REMINDER

Loving Natalee -  Beth Holloway
.
Page 207:  I tell these students "You're at the age where your parents have loosened the reins.  You're breaking out on your own, excited about your new found independence.  And somewhere  caught between that healthy fear of danger your parents taught you, and complacency.  You're too old to be guarded by your mom and dad, and too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places in the world."

The best thing I can ask these students to do is protect themselves by initiating a full-circle safety plan -- no matter where they are.

"You are responsible for your own safety now.  Your parents aren't going to be around anymore to watch over you" I tell them explaining that once Natalee got into that car she was at the mercy of her perpetrators and could no longer protect herself.

"Your safety plan must come full circle.  You must pay as much attention to how you plan to end your evenings as you spend deciding what you're going to wear and who you're going out with.  A full-circle safety plan is something you have to take responsibility for."

What if Natalee had made a plan with her friends that they would all leave together at the end of the night?  What if she and a friend had set a time and place to meet before they left the establishment?  What if ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 08:29:10 PM
A REMINDER

A LIFE FOREVER CHANGED
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 5:
  The day has come to take her room apart and box it up. I have to go through her belongings, which have remained untouched since she left home on May 26, 2005. The movers will be here day after tomorrow. Nothing from my life before Natalee disappeared in Aruba has remained intact. Not my career. Not my home. Not my marriage. My husband, Jug, and I are divorcing after six years. My son, Natalee's younger brother, Matt, and I are moving in two days. I have a lot to do. I manage to swing my legs off the bed and sit up. Reluctantly, I open my eyes and sit on the edge for a few moments. I feel like concrete. Heavy. Very heavy. Finally I stand up and slowly walk a half dozen steps or so down the short hall and turn right at Natalee's bedroom doorway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 08:32:37 PM
A REMINDER

A MOTHER'S ANQUISH

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 114/115
:  Since entrusting Natalee's care to God, I welcome sleep when I can get it.  Nothing in my dreams is worse than my waking hours.  Ironically, sleep takes me out of the nightmare.  No question though, the lack of sleep is having an effect.  After holding it together all day, in front of others and in front of TV cameras, night is when emotions spiral out of control.

Feeling was unleased at the Cross, and it is a being of its own.  It can soothe me, and it can torment me.  It empowers me.  Yet I throw things when I'm alone in the room.  Shoes, Apples from a fruit basket.  Whatever is within reach when the urge strikes.  Sometimes the crying is inconsolable, and I hug the purple duffel bag.  Over and over I just hug it.

When Jug and I are in Natalee's room by ourselves, we kneel and pray together for her, staring at her picture on the bedside table.  We keep the light on.  Just like all parents do when they're waiting for their children to come home.

Another day passes.  And tomorrow and the next day and the next we'll put on our game faces and do it all over gain until we find her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 08:47:21 PM
Dear Kyle

God entrusted you with the truth ... the truth that could afford Natalee Holloway's family at the very lease a measure of closure.  You have a precious daughter.  Please put yourself in the place of Dave and Beth.

Kyle ... it is your choice ... what are you going to do.

Sincerely, Janet

+++++++

Joshua 24:14-15
Choose you this day whom ye will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 08:49:24 PM
A REMINDER

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
Reply #166 on: December 09, 2007, 01:18:35 AM


I say this with absolute conviction... I do not have enough faith to be an atheist in times like this.  It is examples such as these that remind humanity that people still go out of their way for others. About 2000 years ago there was the perfect example of a loving sacrifice.  So do I expect a miracle?  Perhaps a better question is... what are our expectations of that miracle?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2432.msg315649;topicseen#msg315649


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 25, 2009, 08:57:46 PM
Thank you Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 09:01:09 PM
Thank You Janet.Am i correct when i say that these individuals are allowed to post at BFN?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 25, 2009, 09:04:06 PM
What if...

Kyle did the right thing.

What if...

The Persistence wasn't in it for the money and soley in it for Natalee.

What if...

The Persistence crew didn't turn over the fabric to Aruba.

What if..

Everyone just told the truth.

What if...

We stopped looking for the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 09:19:23 PM
Thank You Janet.Am i correct when i say that these individuals are allowed to post at BFN?

As far as I know Keepthefaith.  I have not been to BFN for a long long time.  Believe it or not ... it still hurts.  There was a time I truly believed that Debbie and I were on the same page.

Klaas is in a position to give you an overview in regards to the connection between BFN and BNH and ... Robin Holloway, MIP6, Ramm and Reality.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 09:24:03 PM
What if...

Kyle did the right thing.

What if...

The Persistence wasn't in it for the money and soley in it for Natalee.

What if...

The Persistence crew didn't turn over the fabric to Aruba.

What if..

Everyone just told the truth.

What if...

We stopped looking for the truth.

Aruba wins.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
Thank You Janet.Am i correct when i say that these individuals are allowed to post at BFN?

As far as I know Keepthefaith.  I have not been to BFN for a long long time.  Believe it or not ... it still hurts.  There was a time I truly believed that Debbie and I were on the same page.

Klaas is in a position to give you an overview in regards to the connection between BFN and BNH and ... Robin Holloway, MIP6, Ramm and Reality.

Janet

Thanx Janet!I can't comprehend how anyone,let alone a forum that espouses justice for Natalee Holloway,gives such people a platform to bash Natalee,as well as Beth.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 25, 2009, 09:27:30 PM
What if...

Kyle did the right thing.

What if...

The Persistence wasn't in it for the money and soley in it for Natalee.

What if...

The Persistence crew didn't turn over the fabric to Aruba.

What if..

Everyone just told the truth.

What if...

We stopped looking for the truth.

Aruba wins.

Janet

EXACTLY.  WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 09:30:24 PM
What if...

Kyle did the right thing.

What if...

The Persistence wasn't in it for the money and soley in it for Natalee.

What if...

The Persistence crew didn't turn over the fabric to Aruba.

What if..

Everyone just told the truth.

What if...

We stopped looking for the truth.

Aruba wins.

Janet

EXACTLY.  WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP.
ABSOLUTELY NOT....36 yrs and counting.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 25, 2009, 09:34:02 PM
Good Evening, Monkeys.  Hope everyone had a day of honoring our war dead and spent time with family and friends enjoying the traditional first big BBQ of the season.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 09:37:32 PM
Good Evening, Monkeys.  Hope everyone had a day of honoring our war dead and spent time with family and friends enjoying the traditional first big BBQ of the season.



Weekend was fabulous Anna!Hope yours was relaxing as well..Now it's time to hunker back down and start diggin,diggin,diggin.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 25, 2009, 09:37:46 PM
Rammstein posted a lot of things that were just not true.  He said the judges were incorruptible for one things.  No human being is that and now even his own countrymen are calling them just that very thing.

He also said things like no pedophile was allowed around children in The Netherlands and their system was foolproof but we know better than that as well.

And as for Beth staying out of their country and territory, he has some nerve to say that.

I am sure she would be just delighted to do so if only they would return her daughter!  That's the reason she is there in case he is too dense to understand that.  Oh, he and I did have our rounds on some of those issues. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 25, 2009, 09:39:23 PM
Good Evening, Monkeys.  Hope everyone had a day of honoring our war dead and spent time with family and friends enjoying the traditional first big BBQ of the season.

Hi Anna.  We had a great day and weather was beautiful.  We did enjoy our first BBQ.  My dog enjoyed it especially when she was trying to go after the dog next door  ::MonkeyEek:: .  Someone forgot to tell her she is 10 years old now and she can't be doing that anymore.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 25, 2009, 09:41:30 PM
May everyone have a safe and happy Memorial Day!

(http://i41.tinypic.com/30t1g1g.jpg)

Why, thank you, Bastibro!

Notice what color my avatar is now wearing?  Don't you think that will look nice with my new Delft bracelet you are sending to me to the address you get from your BFF who claims to know all about me?  I was truly hoping it would arrive for this weekend but so far, it hasn't.  But I am sure it's on the way.  After all, why else would you ask for my home address?


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 25, 2009, 09:48:28 PM
It's more or less officially summer here now.  In the mid 80's but rained, off and on, all day long.  Had to be quick to BBQ in between the rain but I did have some excellent BBQ prepared by a neighbor who uses vodka and cooks overnight.  His cooker has a top and is like a barrel sideways.

I think the vodka is supposed to go on the ribs but did wonder whose, the BBQ or his own today, lol.

My mother would never turn on the air conditioning before Memorial Day no matter how hot the weather was.  I lack her strength of character or frugality or whatever that was.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
Thank You Janet.Am i correct when i say that these individuals are allowed to post at BFN?

As far as I know Keepthefaith.  I have not been to BFN for a long long time.  Believe it or not ... it still hurts.  There was a time I truly believed that Debbie and I were on the same page.

Klaas is in a position to give you an overview in regards to the connection between BFN and BNH and ... Robin Holloway, MIP6, Ramm and Reality.

Janet

Thanx Janet!I can't comprehend how anyone,let alone a forum that espouses justice for Natalee Holloway,gives such people a platform to bash Natalee,as well as Beth.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe that the BNH private forum is a spin-off that affords many of these same posters a platforum for undermining Beth and Natalee.

Debbie never allowed Natalee and Beth to be openly bashed on the BFN forum but in my opinion  ... Ramm, Reality, MIP6 and Gaga girl were definitely given a platforum to subtly undermine while upholding the suspects, the investigation, the judciary, Julia Renfro and Aruba.  This caused a lot of tension and ... many original posters migrated to other forums.

The bashing of Beth, Natalee, Dave, the MB Students and even Debbie herself took place on other forums ... mainly RU ... prior to these four being afforded membership at BFN.  Gagirl was afforded a position of moderator at BFN.  Around that time Robin ... who had a connection with the administrator at RU ... submitted a post to the BFN forum that openly upheld these posters who had an obvious Aruban agenda.  It did not make sense. This is when everything fell apart.

In email communication ... Debbie and I did make an attempt at a resolution but the gulf was way too wide. 

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 25, 2009, 10:08:25 PM
Janet,

Reading back those posts--makes me see red!  I just never knew people could be so cruel.  Was a terrible lesson to learn.  This was my first missing person forum and I had a lot to learn for sure.

I find their words just as shocking and outrageous and hateful today as they were when they first posted them.  And some I had not see before I don't believe, at least not those exact posts.  Words to that effect from those people but they did spread it around it seems.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 10:19:52 PM
Janet,

Reading back those posts--makes me see red!  I just never knew people could be so cruel.  Was a terrible lesson to learn.  This was my first missing person forum and I had a lot to learn for sure.

I find their words just as shocking and outrageous and hateful today as they were when they first posted them.  And some I had not see before I don't believe, at least not those exact posts.  Words to that effect from those people but they did spread it around it seems.



I am not shocked up the words.  Trolls have been around since the getgo.  What I cannot comprehend is Robin Holloway's relationship with those who uphold the Aruban agenda ... the  Aruban agenda that has denied justice for her stepdaughter since May 30, 2005.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 25, 2009, 10:47:32 PM
Thank You Janet.Am i correct when i say that these individuals are allowed to post at BFN?

As far as I know Keepthefaith.  I have not been to BFN for a long long time.  Believe it or not ... it still hurts.  There was a time I truly believed that Debbie and I were on the same page.

Klaas is in a position to give you an overview in regards to the connection between BFN and BNH and ... Robin Holloway, MIP6, Ramm and Reality.

Janet


Thanx Janet!I can't comprehend how anyone,let alone a forum that espouses justice for Natalee Holloway,gives such people a platform to bash Natalee,as well as Beth.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe that the BNH private forum is a spin-off that affords many of these same posters a platforum for undermining Beth and Natalee.

Debbie never allowed Natalee and Beth to be openly bashed on the BFN forum but in my opinion  ... Ramm, Reality, MIP6 and Gaga girl were definitely given a platforum to subtly undermine while upholding the suspects, the investigation, the judciary, Julia Renfro and Aruba.  This caused a lot of tension and ... many original posters migrated to other forums.

The bashing of Beth, Natalee, Dave, the MB Students and even Debbie herself took place on other forums ... mainly RU ... prior to these four being afforded membership at BFN.  Gagirl was afforded a position of moderator at BFN.  Around that time Robin ... who had a connection with the administrator at RU ... submitted a post to the BFN forum that openly upheld these posters who had an obvious Aruban agenda.  It did not make sense. This is when everything fell apart.

In email communication ... Debbie and I did make an attempt at a resolution but the gulf was way too wide. 

Janet

I would applaud Debbie for not allowing Beth and Natalee to bashed if that is the case but,by allowing those posters to continue to post that type of rhetoric is very confusing to say the least!You can't uphold Justice for Natalee Holloway and allow those posters to be a part of your forum..JMOO.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 10:55:25 PM
Thank You Janet.Am i correct when i say that these individuals are allowed to post at BFN?

As far as I know Keepthefaith.  I have not been to BFN for a long long time.  Believe it or not ... it still hurts.  There was a time I truly believed that Debbie and I were on the same page.

Klaas is in a position to give you an overview in regards to the connection between BFN and BNH and ... Robin Holloway, MIP6, Ramm and Reality.

Janet


Thanx Janet!I can't comprehend how anyone,let alone a forum that espouses justice for Natalee Holloway,gives such people a platform to bash Natalee,as well as Beth.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe that the BNH private forum is a spin-off that affords many of these same posters a platforum for undermining Beth and Natalee.

Debbie never allowed Natalee and Beth to be openly bashed on the BFN forum but in my opinion  ... Ramm, Reality, MIP6 and Gaga girl were definitely given a platforum to subtly undermine while upholding the suspects, the investigation, the judciary, Julia Renfro and Aruba.  This caused a lot of tension and ... many original posters migrated to other forums.

The bashing of Beth, Natalee, Dave, the MB Students and even Debbie herself took place on other forums ... mainly RU ... prior to these four being afforded membership at BFN.  Gagirl was afforded a position of moderator at BFN.  Around that time Robin ... who had a connection with the administrator at RU ... submitted a post to the BFN forum that openly upheld these posters who had an obvious Aruban agenda.  It did not make sense. This is when everything fell apart.

In email communication ... Debbie and I did make an attempt at a resolution but the gulf was way too wide. 

Janet

I would applaud Debbie for not allowing Beth and Natalee to bashed if that is the case but,by allowing those posters to continue to post that type of rhetoric is very confusing to say the least!You can't uphold Justice for Natalee Holloway and allow those posters to be a part of your forum..JMOO.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.  That is the reason I felt compelled to leave BFN.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 11:00:58 PM
I hope everyone had a great Memorial Day!


Good Night!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 25, 2009, 11:01:46 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2009, 11:07:50 PM
A REMINDER


THE FINAL GOODBYE
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 15/16:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005 ...

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things into the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house.  It was very dark at that hour, and we were both ony half awake.  But we did talk some.  Small talk.  We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, suncreen, and the like.  When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life.  The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin.  She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag.  I got out and walked around the car to help her.  She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you!  Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side.  I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door.  Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked over my shoulder to see her go inside.  The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in.  I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside.  The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely.  It was pitch-black again.  I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.


Good night Monkeys!  Good night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 25, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
I am not posting the whole article, but here is the link if anyone wants to read it.
Seems that some of the Caribbean countries are upset that we are deporting criminals back to their home countries. It makes their crime rate go up.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-16658--39-39--.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on May 26, 2009, 12:55:54 AM
What if...

Kyle did the right thing.

What if...

The Persistence wasn't in it for the money and soley in it for Natalee.

What if...

The Persistence crew didn't turn over the fabric to Aruba.

What if..

Everyone just told the truth.

What if...

We stopped looking for the truth.

We wish for the first four.  The fifth is impossible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 09:42:50 AM
Dear Kyle

God entrusted you with the truth ... the truth that could afford Natalee Holloway's family at the very lease a measure of closure after four long years.  Think about your precious daughter.  Please put yourself in the place of Dave and Beth.

Kyle ... it is your choice ... what are you going to do?

Sincerely, Janet

+++++++

Joshua 24:14-15
Choose you this day whom ye will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.


BUMPED




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
A REMINDER TO KYLE

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
Reply #166 on: December 09, 2007, 01:18:35 AM


I say this with absolute conviction... I do not have enough faith to be an atheist in times like this.  It is examples such as these that remind humanity that people still go out of their way for others. About 2000 years ago there was the perfect example of a loving sacrifice.  So do I expect a miracle?  Perhaps a better question is... what are our expectations of that miracle?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2432.msg315649;topicseen#msg315649


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 26, 2009, 10:57:37 AM
Translated:

Research for 'maladministration' in Aruba


Published: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:02 UTC

Den Haag - The Netherlands shall study the integrity of the Board on Aruba. State Secretary Bijleveld (Kingdom) says there are worrying signs of corruption and misrule, and they would now know exactly what is going on.

The biggest problems are in its police and judiciary. The search is under-utilized, and that also applies to the Public Ministry, which has its hands full with investigations into corruption. There are also concerns about the situation in cells in Aruba and the treatment of detainees.

Bijleveld called the Aruban parliament as a matter of concern. Questions Statenleden often remain unanswered and debate on political issues often remains.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/news/domestic/6315139/Onderzoek-naar-wanbestuur-op-Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 26, 2009, 01:29:16 PM
I think people who work in the petroleum industry are often hired under contract by many different companies.  In other words, a company hires someone who is what they need at the time for a specific job.  Those in the industry make their resumes more or less available or are known as it is a fairly closed industry and esoteric in nature.

That's why I don't think a specific contract can be found to cover specific individuals at a given time.  Some of them seem to work for more than one company at a time as well.  But I don't think it is a hire/fire regular deal in most instances.  They come on board for a certain job or time then move on to the next with another company, etc.

A company might not need a whole other company but only certain people and I think that may be the basis on which work is based in that industry at least in many instances.

The presence in the new most busy region is where it is at for me.  Too much going on there in that regard to miss a shot at all that lucrative work. 

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 26, 2009, 01:33:20 PM
Translated:

Research for 'maladministration' in Aruba


Published: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:02 UTC

Den Haag - The Netherlands shall study the integrity of the Board on Aruba. State Secretary Bijleveld (Kingdom) says there are worrying signs of corruption and misrule, and they would now know exactly what is going on.

The biggest problems are in its police and judiciary. The search is under-utilized, and that also applies to the Public Ministry, which has its hands full with investigations into corruption. There are also concerns about the situation in cells in Aruba and the treatment of detainees.

Bijleveld called the Aruban parliament as a matter of concern. Questions Statenleden often remain unanswered and debate on political issues often remains.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/news/domestic/6315139/Onderzoek-naar-wanbestuur-op-Aruba


But--but Ramm must have told me fifty times that there were no corrupt judges in that system!  He seemed so outraged that I would even dare to suggest such a thing.


 ::MonkeyDevil::

He often implied that the system was virtually incorruptible!  I wonder what he has to say about all these revelations by the Dutch themselves these day.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 02:30:18 PM
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Dave Holloway and Tim Miller have been aware from early one in regards to the underlying dynamics of the Aruban investigation which was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee.  Dave authored a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were the key motivators behind the ocean search in Aruban waters by the Persistence.

Why was a safeguard not established in the planning stages of the endeavour a safeguard which would assure that there would be an FBI present on board the Persistence to observe the chain of custody encompassing any significant find?

Logic dictates that without a safeguard of an FBI present established prior to entering Aruban waters the outcome was a given.  Any find that was Natalee Holloway case related would only serve to further the Aruban cover up.

I do not believe for a minute that Tim Miller and/or Dave Holloway were involved in the John Silvetti betrayal revealed by Kyle Kingman's own words but ... considering the back ground knowledge both these men possessed regarding the perceived Aruban coverup ... I fail to comprehend.
 
Janet

++++++

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'  - January 12, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in thein October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And thats when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


KYLE KINGMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 26, 2009, 03:07:38 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif)


Dave Holloway and Tim Miller have been aware from early one in regards to the underlying dynamics of the Aruban investigation which was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee.  Dave authored a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were the key motivators behind the ocean search in Aruban waters by the Persistence.

Why was a safeguard not established in the planning stages of the endeavour a safeguard which would assure that there would be an FBI present on board the Persistence to observe the chain of custody encompassing any significant find?

Logic dictates that without a safeguard of an FBI present established prior to entering Aruban waters the outcome was a given.  Any find that was Natalee Holloway case related would only serve to further the Aruban cover up.

I do not believe for a minute that Tim Miller and/or Dave Holloway were involved in the John Silvetti betrayal revealed by Kyle Kingman's own words but ... considering the back ground knowledge both these men possessed regarding the perceived Aruban coverup ... I fail to comprehend.
 
Janet

++++++

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'  - January 12, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in thein October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And thats when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


KYLE KINGMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


This has to be one of the most troubling aspects for me in regards to the search.You can't tell me there weren't discussions in regards to having some type of LE on board,as well as protocol to ensure this EXACT thing didn't happen.If this type of conversation never took place,i would be shocked,to say the least!If the conversation did take place.Why no LE on that boat 24/7 until the search was done???...Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me???? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 26, 2009, 03:12:45 PM
KTF,

The FBI was never given even the courtesy of recognition in this investigation.  They would not have jurisdiction in Aruban waters as we have been told so very many times.

And I don't think Aruba would assign a member of LE 24/7 for four months for any reason.  What the Persistence did likely complies with the letter of the law.  I doubt much was discussed beforehand as they would have assumed that anything found would be divided or perhaps the agreement was that the FBI would do the testing even.  Which they did.

Could have been any number of ways to mislead about what would be done in the event something was actually located.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 03:35:55 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif)


Dave Holloway and Tim Miller have been aware from early one in regards to the underlying dynamics of the Aruban investigation which was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee.  Dave authored a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were the key motivators behind the ocean search in Aruban waters by the Persistence.

Why was a safeguard not established in the planning stages of the endeavour a safeguard which would assure that there would be an FBI present on board the Persistence to observe the chain of custody encompassing any significant find?

Logic dictates that without a safeguard of an FBI present established prior to entering Aruban waters the outcome was a given.  Any find that was Natalee Holloway case related would only serve to further the Aruban cover up.

I do not believe for a minute that Tim Miller and/or Dave Holloway were involved in the John Silvetti betrayal revealed by Kyle Kingman's own words but ... considering the back ground knowledge both these men possessed regarding the perceived Aruban coverup ... I fail to comprehend.
 
Janet

++++++

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'  - January 12, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in thein October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And thats when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


KYLE KINGMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


This has to be one of the most troubling aspects for me in regards to the search.You can't tell me there weren't discussions in regards to having some type of LE on board,as well as protocol to ensure this EXACT thing didn't happen.If this type of conversation never took place,i would be shocked,to say the least!If the conversation did take place.Why no LE on that boat 24/7 until the search was done???...Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me???? ::MonkeyConfused::

That letter of invitation from the Aruba to the FBI should have been in the possession of Louis Schaffer and John Silvetti prior to the Persistence planning stages.  I Aruban refused to afford an invitation to allow an FBI presence ... the search efforts should have been abandoned as a negative outcome was a given.

Keepthefaith ... even if an observing FBI agent was not on the Persistence 24/7 ... a letter of invitation from tAruba should have been on file so that the FBI presence could be requested if anything Natalee Holloway case related was located.

I am not letting Dave Holloway and Tim Miller off the hook for the eventual outcome ... not by a long shot ... they should have known better and acted accordingly but ... I believe that John Silvetti/Louis Schaeffer took full advantage of Dave and Tim's appeasing natures ... appeasing natures that tend to give those who appear to be assisting the benefit of the doubt.

Justice for Natalee as well as  accountability to those who donated to the undertaking dictated that those behind the scenes were qualified to make informed decisions.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 03:46:34 PM
DECEMBER 30, 2007 -  TIM MILLER - A LIABILITY?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I know Tim (Miller) believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 26, 2009, 03:47:37 PM
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Dave Holloway and Tim Miller have been aware from early one in regards to the underlying dynamics of the Aruban investigation which was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee.  Dave authored a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were the key motivators behind the ocean search in Aruban waters by the Persistence.

Why was a safeguard not established in the planning stages of the endeavour a safeguard which would assure that there would be an FBI present on board the Persistence to observe the chain of custody encompassing any significant find?

Logic dictates that without a safeguard of an FBI present established prior to entering Aruban waters the outcome was a given.  Any find that was Natalee Holloway case related would only serve to further the Aruban cover up.

I do not believe for a minute that Tim Miller and/or Dave Holloway were involved in the John Silvetti betrayal revealed by Kyle Kingman's own words but ... considering the back ground knowledge both these men possessed regarding the perceived Aruban coverup ... I fail to comprehend.
 
Janet

++++++

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'  - January 12, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in thein October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And thats when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


KYLE KINGMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


This has to be one of the most troubling aspects for me in regards to the search.You can't tell me there weren't discussions in regards to having some type of LE on board,as well as protocol to ensure this EXACT thing didn't happen.If this type of conversation never took place,i would be shocked,to say the least!If the conversation did take place.Why no LE on that boat 24/7 until the search was done???...Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me???? ::MonkeyConfused::

That letter of invitation from the Aruba to the FBI should have been in the possession of Louis Schaffer and John Silvetti prior to the Persistence planning stages.  I Aruban refused to afford an invitation to allow an FBI presence ... the search efforts should have been abandoned as a negative outcome was a given.

Keepthefaith ... even if an observing FBI agent was not on the Persistence 24/7 ... a letter of invitation from Aruba should have been on file so that the FBI presence could be requested if anything Natalee Holloway case related was located.

I am not letting Dave Holloway and Tim Miller off the hook for the eventual outcome ... not by a long shot ... they should have known better and acted accordingly but ... I believe that John Silvetti/Louis Schaeffer took full advantage of Dave and Tim's appeasing natures ... appeasing natures that tend to give those who appear to be assisting the benefit of the doubt.

Justice for Natalee as well as  accountability to those who donated to the undertaking dictated that those behind the scenes were qualified to make informed decisions.

Janet



In bolded.Agree 110%..Find the cage,Call the FBI,FBI fly's down to monitor the recovery of the Cage/Trap.Very Simple! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 26, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
What if...

Kyle did the right thing.

What if...

The Persistence wasn't in it for the money and soley in it for Natalee.

What if...

The Persistence crew didn't turn over the fabric to Aruba.

What if..

Everyone just told the truth.

What if...

We stopped looking for the truth.

We wish for the first four.  The fifth is impossible.

I agree Sleuth and San.




I hope everyone is well, I've been really busy with work and family lately to post much.

Take care all  ::MonkeyAngel:: for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 26, 2009, 05:27:52 PM
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Dave Holloway and Tim Miller have been aware from early one in regards to the underlying dynamics of the Aruban investigation which was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee.  Dave authored a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were the key motivators behind the ocean search in Aruban waters by the Persistence.

Why was a safeguard not established in the planning stages of the endeavour a safeguard which would assure that there would be an FBI present on board the Persistence to observe the chain of custody encompassing any significant find?

Logic dictates that without a safeguard of an FBI present established prior to entering Aruban waters the outcome was a given.  Any find that was Natalee Holloway case related would only serve to further the Aruban cover up.

I do not believe for a minute that Tim Miller and/or Dave Holloway were involved in the John Silvetti betrayal revealed by Kyle Kingman's own words but ... considering the back ground knowledge both these men possessed regarding the perceived Aruban coverup ... I fail to comprehend.
 
Janet

++++++

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'  - January 12, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in thein October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And thats when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


KYLE KINGMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


This has to be one of the most troubling aspects for me in regards to the search.You can't tell me there weren't discussions in regards to having some type of LE on board,as well as protocol to ensure this EXACT thing didn't happen.If this type of conversation never took place,i would be shocked,to say the least!If the conversation did take place.Why no LE on that boat 24/7 until the search was done???...Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me???? ::MonkeyConfused::

According to Jossy, Eduardo Mansur was on board the entire time.  He needs to talk and tell what transpired on board that ship. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 26, 2009, 05:31:27 PM
O.K., the four year anniversary of INJUSTICE to Natalee Holloway will occur in just a few days.  We need to REMIND stations like Greta and Nancy Grace so they at least bring this up on the anniversary.  Aruba DOES NOT need to forget about it just yet.  They need to understand we will be here as long as Beth says we need to.  When Beth says it is over is the only way it ends.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 26, 2009, 05:46:11 PM
O.K. I just posted this to Greta's blog.  Anyone have Nancy Grace's blog address?:

Blue Moon says:
May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm

Greta, the 4 year anniversary of the disappearance/murder of Natalee Holloway is fast approaching. Do you have anything in the works for this this year? If not please join the many people who have not and will not forget Natalee Holloway and the grave injustice Aruba has served to her and her family. Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 26, 2009, 05:48:37 PM
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Dave Holloway and Tim Miller have been aware from early one in regards to the underlying dynamics of the Aruban investigation which was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee.  Dave authored a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were the key motivators behind the ocean search in Aruban waters by the Persistence.

Why was a safeguard not established in the planning stages of the endeavour a safeguard which would assure that there would be an FBI present on board the Persistence to observe the chain of custody encompassing any significant find?

Logic dictates that without a safeguard of an FBI present established prior to entering Aruban waters the outcome was a given.  Any find that was Natalee Holloway case related would only serve to further the Aruban cover up.

I do not believe for a minute that Tim Miller and/or Dave Holloway were involved in the John Silvetti betrayal revealed by Kyle Kingman's own words but ... considering the back ground knowledge both these men possessed regarding the perceived Aruban coverup ... I fail to comprehend.
 
Janet

++++++

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'  - January 12, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in thein October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And thats when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


KYLE KINGMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


This has to be one of the most troubling aspects for me in regards to the search.You can't tell me there weren't discussions in regards to having some type of LE on board,as well as protocol to ensure this EXACT thing didn't happen.If this type of conversation never took place,i would be shocked,to say the least!If the conversation did take place.Why no LE on that boat 24/7 until the search was done???...Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me???? ::MonkeyConfused::

According to Jossy, Eduardo Mansur was on board the entire time.  He needs to talk and tell what transpired on board that ship. JMO

I am not sure that it was Jossy who made that statement.  All we have is Hotshot saying that she got an email
from Jossy.  What we actually have is Hotshot saying that Eduardo was aboard the entire time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 05:59:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57129.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Research on governance to Aruba

May 26, 2009, 17:42 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - A study of the administration at Aruba. This was State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) today know in a letter to the Lower House. The reign wife in the letter a number of observations about the process on the island and believes that a combination of signals so worrying is that there is a research institute to do a more complete picture of the state of the board of Aruba to obtain. Based on the results of that investigation, the Secretary of State to see if further action should be taken and at what level that should happen.

by our correspondent
Christel of Bebber

During a debate in the Senate last week said Bijleveld to worry about the state of governance in Aruba. In the letter today to the Lower House, it sent a few observations from which they drew the conclusion to an inquiry. For example, the Public Prosecutor (OM) is insufficient focus on the prosecution of criminal offenses. That is the proper role of the OM, but is compromised by including understaffing. The Agricultural Research shows so heavily burdened by corruption investigations that other issues on the shelf, according to the State.

The Public Prosecutor in Oranjestad hear six prosecutors have. There are only four. "Not because there is not enough suitable candidates, but because a discussion about the salary," says the letter to the Board of Bijleveld. Furthermore, the boss of the OM, the Attorney-General, so long lost to difficult issues and to solving discussions with the Netherlands that he hardly deserves prosecution. "This, combined with the relatively large number of reports on corruption in politics and bureaucracy that worries me," writes Bijleveld. "The proper function of the OM is one of the pillars of the rule of law."

Common Court
Another pillar in the State are concerned, the judiciary. This has been against Prime Minister Oduber said. Bijleveld points out that the Court barely Aruba them has worked on the creation of a Common Court of Justice. Ultimately, Aruba or agreed with most of the bill that allows Common Court.

A shortage of staff is also in prison. Bijleveld notes that the situation in the police cells and prison over the past two years has improved after the visit of the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT). The physical conditions are addressed. But she has also seen that there are insufficient qualified personnel and that the treatment of prisoners still to be desired. Her biggest concern in this area remains the vreemdelingendetentie. Last August showed that since the visit of the CPT no point improvement was made.

The aliens chain function properly. The various organizations along each other and the division is not consistent with the statutory powers. Because the laws and regulations are not always clear and consistently interpreted, is arbitrary in wait. "It is that Aruba really significant and visible improvements to make," said Bijleveld, in its letter.
Also on democracy Bijleveld comments. "The controlling function of parliament is not always well. Thus has it that Statenleden questions remain unanswered or that a lack of public debate. I also see that the opposition-initiated legislation is debated in the States. "She points out that this situation is that only the inside can be resolved.
Some events from 1993 on a well-functioning public administration are not yet implemented. "I consider it very important that in any case the agreement on party funding and the establishment of an independent complaints body still be achieved," said Bijleveld.
 
Transparency
There are no known cases in the State of corruption that are not already in research in the OM. "However, by lack of transparency in decision-making in sensitive cases the lack of interest or appearance of corruption should be eliminated," said Bijleveld. The Secretary of State has said that further research is needed in Aruba. In this letter they repeat that again. There currently performs consulting the Aruban government. The new research should show whether additional measures are needed. Wednesday meets the Netherlands Antillean and Aruban Affairs on the state of governance in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 06:06:47 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57125.php

Google translation:

Aruba

No new prosecutor Holloway case

May 26, 2009, 17:37 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Prosecutor Elivia Lugo remains the investigation of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway lead. The spokesmen after the departure of chief officer Hans Mos by Attorney-General (PG) Rob Pietersz.

Contrary to what Dutch media said, the new chief officer is not the research result. The spokesmen is thus the PG because he believes that the Public Prosecutor (OM) in the Holloway case and other investigations the press' access to detail has given. "I have a different view on press matters. I deny the link between the OM and the press and also not very good. But we must be careful as the place to make you aware that not all companies details a study at any time to give prices. That must be very close to be taken, because everyone has the right to privacy. "

Pietersz was thus that the Holloway case too many details of the investigation are given in more so by head officer Hans Mos. "Look, you can have some suspicions as for police, but the question is whether or not such suspicions should also share with the whole community." Rumors that circulated that Mos leave because botert it is not between him and the new PG, Pietersz Points off. "It is too much said that I have is that he leaves. I can guarantee that no sanction against him has been. "Mos leave it because the Public Prosecutor General has asked him if kwartiermaker and possibly the first head of the new officer for St. Maarten. Meanwhile, a new chief officer (and Advocate General) in the Netherlands found. This will soon be proposed.

The PG says however that the outgoing principal officer has approached several times, including certain statements. And on the admission of foreign agencies, which Pietersz is that much more reticent to deal should have been. This is great investigative bodies such as the FBI, but also agencies such as recently by Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, which was enabled on the island with a ranger was sought.
"They have no powers here. You should also double into, because you could own people to run and your feet so watch out for their own people not to move aside. "The PG has recently been with the American consul had spoken earlier and sent a letter so that the authorities in their own country at the height could make. The message is that Aruba is not some foreign, including American, investigation may operate without prior request to the PG. "So that in the Convention on Mutual Assistance between the United States and the Netherlands. We must respect otherwise you get this wild scenes, all the authorities and people for their own feet to walk. "

Leading Saturday, May 30 is the four years since Natalee disappeared in Aruba. The criminal investigation is still ongoing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 06:09:18 PM
When I consider Jossy Mansur's connection to the witness as well as his alleged words in that email and ... then when I consider Kyle Kingman's suspicion encompassing Eduardo .... I am not counting light being shed onto the contents of the trap coming from the direction of the Mansurs.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Re: Eduardo

Kyle Kingman:  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.


EMAIL - JOSSY MANSUR

Jossy Mansur:
  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Credit: Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 06:11:56 PM
O.K. I just posted this to Greta's blog.  Anyone have Nancy Grace's blog address?:

Blue Moon says:
May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm

Greta, the 4 year anniversary of the disappearance/murder of Natalee Holloway is fast approaching. Do you have anything in the works for this this year? If not please join the many people who have not and will not forget Natalee Holloway and the grave injustice Aruba has served to her and her family. Thanks in advance.

Blue Moon ... an excellent idea.

I will submit a post right now.  Would you please provide a link.

Thanks you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 26, 2009, 06:16:48 PM
O.K. I just posted this to Greta's blog.  Anyone have Nancy Grace's blog address?:

Blue Moon says:
May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm

Greta, the 4 year anniversary of the disappearance/murder of Natalee Holloway is fast approaching. Do you have anything in the works for this this year? If not please join the many people who have not and will not forget Natalee Holloway and the grave injustice Aruba has served to her and her family. Thanks in advance.

Blue Moon ... an excellent idea.

I will submit a post right now.  Would you please provide a link.

Thanks you.

Janet


Here, try this one, I posted on an open blog:

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-blog-808/comment-page-8/#comment-4885007


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 06:19:32 PM
A REMINDER


THE FINAL GOODBYE
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 15/16:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005 ...

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things into the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house.  It was very dark at that hour, and we were both ony half awake.  But we did talk some.  Small talk.  We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, suncreen, and the like.  When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life.  The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin.  She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag.  I got out and walked around the car to help her.  She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you!  Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side.  I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door.  Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked over my shoulder to see her go inside.  The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in.  I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside.  The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely.  It was pitch-black again.  I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

.
Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.   The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 06:20:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57125.php

Google translation:

Aruba

No new prosecutor Holloway case

May 26, 2009, 17:37 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Prosecutor Elivia Lugo remains the investigation of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway lead. The spokesmen after the departure of chief officer Hans Mos by Attorney-General (PG) Rob Pietersz.

Contrary to what Dutch media said, the new chief officer is not the research result. The spokesmen is thus the PG because he believes that the Public Prosecutor (OM) in the Holloway case and other investigations the press' access to detail has given. "I have a different view on press matters. I deny the link between the OM and the press and also not very good. But we must be careful as the place to make you aware that not all companies details a study at any time to give prices. That must be very close to be taken, because everyone has the right to privacy. "

Pietersz was thus that the Holloway case too many details of the investigation are given in more so by head officer Hans Mos. "Look, you can have some suspicions as for police, but the question is whether or not such suspicions should also share with the whole community." Rumors that circulated that Mos leave because botert it is not between him and the new PG, Pietersz Points off. "It is too much said that I have is that he leaves. I can guarantee that no sanction against him has been. "Mos leave it because the Public Prosecutor General has asked him if kwartiermaker and possibly the first head of the new officer for St. Maarten. Meanwhile, a new chief officer (and Advocate General) in the Netherlands found. This will soon be proposed.

The PG says however that the outgoing principal officer has approached several times, including certain statements. And on the admission of foreign agencies, which Pietersz is that much more reticent to deal should have been. This is great investigative bodies such as the FBI, but also agencies such as recently by Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, which was enabled on the island with a ranger was sought.
"They have no powers here. You should also double into, because you could own people to run and your feet so watch out for their own people not to move aside. "The PG has recently been with the American consul had spoken earlier and sent a letter so that the authorities in their own country at the height could make. The message is that Aruba is not some foreign, including American, investigation may operate without prior request to the PG. "So that in the Convention on Mutual Assistance between the United States and the Netherlands. We must respect otherwise you get this wild scenes, all the authorities and people for their own feet to walk. "

Leading Saturday, May 30 is the four years since Natalee disappeared in Aruba. The criminal investigation is still ongoing.

I'm going to add the original text here and hope that Cageman or Caesu might stop by and clarify what Robert Pietersz states in the above article.  The translation was a bit lacking IMO.
Thanks in advance to anyone that is willing to clarify for us!  

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::  

Aruba
Geen nieuwe aanklager Holloway-zaak
26 Mei, 2009, 17:37 (GMT -04:00)




ORANJESTAD Officier van Justitie Elivia Lugo blijft het onderzoek naar de vermiste Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway leiden. De woordvoering wordt na het vertrek van hoofdofficier Hans Mos overgenomen door procureur-generaal (PG) Rob Pietersz.

In tegenstelling tot wat in Nederlandse media wordt beweerd, zal de nieuwe hoofdofficier dus niet het onderzoek gaan leiden. De woordvoering wordt dus voortaan door de PG gedaan omdat hij vindt dat het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) in de Holloway-zaak als ook andere lopende onderzoeken de pers te gedetailleerd inzage heeft gegeven. Ik heb een andere kijk op perszaken. Ik ontken de band tussen het OM en pers niet en die moet ook heel goed zijn. Maar we moeten even pas op de plaats maken om bewust te maken dat je niet alle details ven een onderzoek op elk gewenst moment prijs moet geven. Dat moet heel nauwlettend in het oog worden gehouden, omdat iedereen recht heeft op privacy.

Pietersz vond dus ook dat in de Holloway-zaak teveel details van het onderzoek zijn weggegeven onder meer dus door hoofdofficier Hans Mos. Kijk, je kunt bepaalde vermoedens hebben als OM, politie, maar de vraag is of je die vermoedens ook zou moeten delen met de hele gemeenschap. Geruchten die circuleren dat Mos weggaat omdat het niet botert tussen hem en de nieuwe PG, wijst Pietersz af. Het is teveel gezegd dat het door mij komt dat hij weggaat. Ik kan garanderen dat ook geen enkele sanctie tegen hem is geweest. Mos vertrekt volgens hem omdat het parketgeneraal hem heeft gevraagd als kwartiermaker en eventueel eerste hoofdofficier van het nieuwe OM op St. Maarten. Inmiddels is al een nieuwe hoofdofficier (en ook advocaat-generaal) in Nederland gevonden. Deze worden binnenkort voorgesteld.

De PG zegt overigens wel dat hij de vertrekkende hoofdofficier diverse keren heeft aangesproken, ook over bepaalde uitlatingen. En over het toelaten van buitenlandse agentschappen, waarin Pietersz vindt dat er veel terughoudender mee omgegaan had moeten worden. Het gaat om grote opsporingsinstanties als de FBI, maar ook agentschappen zoals recentelijk door Dave Holloway, de vader van Natalee, werd ingeschakeld waarbij op het eiland met een speurhond werd gezocht.
Deze hebben geen enkele bevoegdheden hier. Je moet er bovendien dubbel voorzichtig in zijn, omdat je hiermee eigen mensen voor de voeten loopt en je dus moet oppassen om de eigen mensen ook niet opzij te schuiven. De PG heeft onlangs met de Amerikaanse consul hierover gesproken en stuurde al eerder een brief zodat deze ook de autoriteiten in eigen land op de hoogte kon stellen. De boodschap is dat op Aruba geen enkele buitenlandse, dus ook Amerikaanse, opsporingsdienst kan opereren zonder voorafgaand verzoek aan de PG. Zo staat dat ook in het verdrag over wederzijdse rechtshulp tussen de Verenigde Staten en Nederland. Dat moeten we respecteren anders krijg je hier wilde taferelen, dat allemaal de instanties komen en eigen mensen voor voeten komen lopen.

Aanstaande zaterdag 30 mei is het vier jaar geleden dat Natalee op Aruba verdween. Het strafrechtelijk onderzoek loopt nog steeds.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 06:20:27 PM
O.K. I just posted this to Greta's blog.  Anyone have Nancy Grace's blog address?:

Blue Moon says:
May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm

Greta, the 4 year anniversary of the disappearance/murder of Natalee Holloway is fast approaching. Do you have anything in the works for this this year? If not please join the many people who have not and will not forget Natalee Holloway and the grave injustice Aruba has served to her and her family. Thanks in advance.

Blue Moon ... an excellent idea.

I will submit a post right now.  Would you please provide a link.

Thanks you.

Janet


Here, try this one, I posted on an open blog:

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/05/26/open-thread-blog-808/comment-page-8/#comment-4885007

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Sorry, just noticed I didn't spell his name correctly!  s/b Pietersz

 :oops:

 ::MonkeyWink::  Fixed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
Sorry, just noticed I didn't spell his name correctly!  s/b Pietersz

 :oops:

 ::MonkeyWink::  Fixed.

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: caesu on May 26, 2009, 06:39:51 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57125.php

Google translation:

Aruba

No new prosecutor Holloway case

May 26, 2009, 17:37 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Prosecutor Elivia Lugo remains the investigation of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway lead. The spokesmen after the departure of chief officer Hans Mos by Attorney-General (PG) Rob Pietersz.

Contrary to what Dutch media said, the new chief officer is not the research result. The spokesmen is thus the PG because he believes that the Public Prosecutor (OM) in the Holloway case and other investigations the press' access to detail has given. "I have a different view on press matters. I deny the link between the OM and the press and also not very good. But we must be careful as the place to make you aware that not all companies details a study at any time to give prices. That must be very close to be taken, because everyone has the right to privacy. "

Pietersz was thus that the Holloway case too many details of the investigation are given in more so by head officer Hans Mos. "Look, you can have some suspicions as for police, but the question is whether or not such suspicions should also share with the whole community." Rumors that circulated that Mos leave because botert it is not between him and the new PG, Pietersz Points off. "It is too much said that I have is that he leaves. I can guarantee that no sanction against him has been. "Mos leave it because the Public Prosecutor General has asked him if kwartiermaker and possibly the first head of the new officer for St. Maarten. Meanwhile, a new chief officer (and Advocate General) in the Netherlands found. This will soon be proposed.

The PG says however that the outgoing principal officer has approached several times, including certain statements. And on the admission of foreign agencies, which Pietersz is that much more reticent to deal should have been. This is great investigative bodies such as the FBI, but also agencies such as recently by Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, which was enabled on the island with a ranger was sought.
"They have no powers here. You should also double into, because you could own people to run and your feet so watch out for their own people not to move aside. "The PG has recently been with the American consul had spoken earlier and sent a letter so that the authorities in their own country at the height could make. The message is that Aruba is not some foreign, including American, investigation may operate without prior request to the PG. "So that in the Convention on Mutual Assistance between the United States and the Netherlands. We must respect otherwise you get this wild scenes, all the authorities and people for their own feet to walk. "

Leading Saturday, May 30 is the four years since Natalee disappeared in Aruba. The criminal investigation is still ongoing.

I'm going to add the original text here and hope that Cageman or Caesu might stop by and clarify what Robert Pietersz states in the above article.  The translation was a bit lacking IMO.
Thanks in advance to anyone that is willing to clarify for us! 

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel:: 


PG Robert Pietersz is taking over the contacts with the media from the public prosecutor.
he says in the past the public prosecutor (Mos) has given to much detailed information to the media.
also Mos shouldn't have invited the FBI or allowed Dave Holloway to investigate.
they don't have jurisdiction and are only getting in the way of ALE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 06:41:23 PM


Thank you caesu!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: caesu on May 26, 2009, 06:43:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57129.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Research on governance to Aruba

May 26, 2009, 17:42 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - A study of the administration at Aruba. This was State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) today know in a letter to the Lower House. The reign wife in the letter a number of observations about the process on the island and believes that a combination of signals so worrying is that there is a research institute to do a more complete picture of the state of the board of Aruba to obtain. Based on the results of that investigation, the Secretary of State to see if further action should be taken and at what level that should happen.

by our correspondent
Christel of Bebber

During a debate in the Senate last week said Bijleveld to worry about the state of governance in Aruba. In the letter today to the Lower House, it sent a few observations from which they drew the conclusion to an inquiry. For example, the Public Prosecutor (OM) is insufficient focus on the prosecution of criminal offenses. That is the proper role of the OM, but is compromised by including understaffing. The Agricultural Research shows so heavily burdened by corruption investigations that other issues on the shelf, according to the State.

The Public Prosecutor in Oranjestad hear six prosecutors have. There are only four. "Not because there is not enough suitable candidates, but because a discussion about the salary," says the letter to the Board of Bijleveld. Furthermore, the boss of the OM, the Attorney-General, so long lost to difficult issues and to solving discussions with the Netherlands that he hardly deserves prosecution. "This, combined with the relatively large number of reports on corruption in politics and bureaucracy that worries me," writes Bijleveld. "The proper function of the OM is one of the pillars of the rule of law."

Common Court
Another pillar in the State are concerned, the judiciary. This has been against Prime Minister Oduber said. Bijleveld points out that the Court barely Aruba them has worked on the creation of a Common Court of Justice. Ultimately, Aruba or agreed with most of the bill that allows Common Court.

A shortage of staff is also in prison. Bijleveld notes that the situation in the police cells and prison over the past two years has improved after the visit of the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT). The physical conditions are addressed. But she has also seen that there are insufficient qualified personnel and that the treatment of prisoners still to be desired. Her biggest concern in this area remains the vreemdelingendetentie. Last August showed that since the visit of the CPT no point improvement was made.

The aliens chain function properly. The various organizations along each other and the division is not consistent with the statutory powers. Because the laws and regulations are not always clear and consistently interpreted, is arbitrary in wait. "It is that Aruba really significant and visible improvements to make," said Bijleveld, in its letter.
Also on democracy Bijleveld comments. "The controlling function of parliament is not always well. Thus has it that Statenleden questions remain unanswered or that a lack of public debate. I also see that the opposition-initiated legislation is debated in the States. "She points out that this situation is that only the inside can be resolved.
Some events from 1993 on a well-functioning public administration are not yet implemented. "I consider it very important that in any case the agreement on party funding and the establishment of an independent complaints body still be achieved," said Bijleveld.
 
Transparency
There are no known cases in the State of corruption that are not already in research in the OM. "However, by lack of transparency in decision-making in sensitive cases the lack of interest or appearance of corruption should be eliminated," said Bijleveld. The Secretary of State has said that further research is needed in Aruba. In this letter they repeat that again. There currently performs consulting the Aruban government. The new research should show whether additional measures are needed. Wednesday meets the Netherlands Antillean and Aruban Affairs on the state of governance in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Aruban politicians aren't happy about this (so it must be a good move by Bijleveld):
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_57128.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: caesu on May 26, 2009, 06:49:09 PM
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The Hague to investigate
state of Aruba government

THE HAGUE--Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten is initiating a broad, independent scientific study into the quality and the possible wrong-doings of the Aruban Government.

Bijleveld-Schouten announced this during a meeting with the First Chamber on Tuesday. Various members of the Chamber had voiced their concerns about the maintenance of law and order and good governance on Aruba. Senators reported that during their visit to the island in January this year, they were informed about possible misuse of power by government, corruption and intimidation.

Senator Frank van Kappen of the liberal democratic VVD party explained that the Dutch delegation was approached several times by citizens who said the integrity of Arubas government was lacking. We could not determine whether these accusations were based on the truth or rumours. But it is a fact that these accusations of corruption, nepotism and intimidation came from Arubans of all layers of society, he said.

Seeing that these accusations create tension which adversely affects the relations between the Netherlands and Aruba, Van Kappen suggested initiating an independent study to separate fact from fiction. The Dutch Government in any case should not lean back on this matter, but take the bull by the horns. That is also in the interest of Aruba because a reputation as a safe and well-managed country is crucial for the tourism industry, said Van Kappen.

There is a lot amiss in Aruba, said Senator Marijke Linthorst of the labour party PvdA. There is no compulsory education, the economy is kept largely going by many illegal and underpaid labourers, while a part of the population is unemployed and there are stubborn rumours about corruption. That is not good for the image of Aruba and of the Kingdom, she said.

Linthorst explained that citizens are afraid to voice their criticism publicly and therefore these people should be heard under oath as part of a study. Investigators should also be able to have access to confidential material. Otherwise such a study was of no use, she added.

According to Linthorst, the study was crucial to determine whether there was truth to the accusations and reports. There are two possibilities: the rumours are correct and corruption is tackled, or the rumours are incorrect and the accusations are refuted for once and for all, she said.

State Secretary Bijleveld-Schouten said she shared the concerns of the Senators. The state of governance is a point of concern, she said, announcing that she would be discussing a memo on this issue with the Second Chamber next Wednesday. The Second Chamber had asked for a memo on the state of affairs on Aruba earlier this year.

Bijleveld-Schouten said a more in-depth study was necessary, a scientific study comparable to the study by the Dutch scientific research centre WODC on St. Maarten. But the study should not take as long as the one about St. Maarten which took some three years to be completed. She said this study had to be done at a faster pace and should take about half a year to complete.

Bijleveld-Schouten agreed with Senator Linthorst that all information should surface and she said she would look at the possibility to have people heard under oath. The majority of the factions in the First Chamber expressed their support for the study and were happy to note that the State Secretary was taking the situation in Aruba seriously.
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m004/arubam004.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 06:50:10 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It seems like after four years Pietersz might welcome assistance from the FBI!

I can understand not wanting an independent person like Golba using the fire hose again, but at this point it seems like all efforts would be made to resolve the case.  I don't see how the FBI could possibly "get in the way"...unless there are things he doesn't want investigated or revealed.

JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 06:53:51 PM


Thanks again caesu!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 26, 2009, 06:54:32 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

It seems like after four years Pietersz might welcome assistance from the FBI!

I can understand not wanting an independent person like Golba using the fire hose again, but at this point it seems like all efforts would be made to resolve the case.  I don't see how the FBI could possibly "get in the way"...unless there are things he doesn't want investigated or revealed.

JMO


I agree! It will be "business as usual" in Aruba.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: At least we know from the beginning that Aruba is going to do NOTHING   this time either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 06:56:14 PM
The Hague, The Netherlands, 25th of June 2008

Dear mrs Beth Twitty,


I, Carlos Severino Tromp, am the builder, owner, and writer of the Dutch website:
www. koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com and I want to apologise to you through this letter for the injustice the ministry injustice of Aruba has done to you, because injustice is not justice. I understand your pain and meekness as a human being and mother of Nathalee Holloway, and I also want to express my support for you, because you have lost the battle, but not the war!

In my country of birth Aruba, there is, alas, no justice because the government of Nelson Orlando Oduber, Prime Minister of Aruba is corrupt; the eleven puppet members of parliament, and their president, mrs Marvin Wyatt-Ras, are nothing more than puppets who protect corruption.
 
The Public Prosecuting Agency of Aruba (OM) Havenstraat #2, Oranjestad, Aruba, is a political organisation & corrupt and together with the communal Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba they have degenerated into a house of worship of Satan.
 
Also the very corrupt crown civil servants, the Public Prosecutors General, violators of human rights:Mr. Drs. Teresa Diana Croes Fernandez Pedra and the monster Mr Elvira Lugo, who on a daily basis violates justice and human rights, (it is namely not for nothing that the now former commissary of police and inspector, Gerold Dompig, has thoroughly beaten her up. What is piquaint, however, is that he was not prosecuted for this severe maltreatment and even this incident was covered up by the local and the Dutch authorities) and that the motherland the Netherlands has, as usual, again closed her eyes to this serious fact; mrs Teresa Diana Croes and Elivia Lugo together with her colleagues; whom have perfected and legalised corruption there with the blessing of the corrupt Hyancintho Rudolfo Croes (Rudy gate), minister of injustice, for whom the motherland the Netherlands takes a bow!

Justice of the Kingdom are not to be trusted, because they falsify documents, commit forgery, manipulate the law, commit great injustice, so that justice there in fact has degenerated into justice metered out by tyrants and a lot more devious things against humanity and human rights, with the cooperation of many corrupt Dutch and Aruba lawyers, whom have all done such under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands, which has therefore degenerated into a lowlife banana republic.
 
This is the reason that Nathalee Holloway has become missing and Joran van der Sloot is untouchable within that banana republic, the kingdom of the Netherlands.

Joran van der Sloot would now have become a persona non grata. I have to laugh at this, because that is only a sly joke and a smoke curtain coming from the henchman of Satan with the nickname Rudy gate sitting on the post of the secretary of justice of the very corrupt STATUS APARTE of Aruba, entitled as a den of thieves: the insular territory Aruba, being a part of the dutch banana republic.
 
It is further totally irrelevant whether there is or is not a governor of Aruba, because this current governor is blind, deaf and mute concerning the crimes of his former political party MEP that is in power.
 
A part of the populace is tainted with corruption. Believe me or not, or just ask the former E.U. member of Parliament mr. Frits Bolkestein, the dutch Second Chamber member of parliament mr. Hero Brinkman or Geert Wilders; they are witnesses, because they have called Aruba a litter of robbers and a den of thieves.
 
Dont be surprised, because the International Transparency reports of Berlin have also entitled the motherland the Netherlands as being number seven on the list of all the corrupt countries in the world! Bad trees give no good fruit!!

The dutch government kabinet Balkenende closes its eyes to the crimes taking place on Aruba against humanity and human rights in name of the head of state, the Queen, Mrs Beatrix. And the dutch Prime Minister Mr Drs Jan Peter Balkenende believes in his half truths and is helping the corrupt government of Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber to fool the people and the world with a crooked rapport of the IMF into believing that the economy of Aruba is sound.

Jan Peter Balkenende appears not to have feelings or be ashamed of his lies, or else he must be totally incompetent! Because how is it then possible that Aruba has only 120.000 inhabitants but a national debt of more than one billion guilders, while 80% of the populace has fallen into poverty?
 
This has only been possible with the very corrupt cartel of Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Orlando Oduber, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (RudyCroes), Marisol Lopez-Tromp (queen of corruption), Nilo Swaen who is manipulating figures on the ministry of finance, Ramon (the sex maniac) Lee, Eddie Briezen van Namdar hide corruption, Booshi (Mr false diploma) Wever and cronies. All those people are crooks.
                                                                                            Do Dutch kingdom be no wrong in your judging: give thought to the position of the poor, do not only honor the position of the great; but be a judge to your neighbor in righteousness. Leviticus 19:15

But it is understandable that dirty hands cannot clean anything what is dirty and if Satan rises against Satan, he is fighting against himself and destroys his own kingdom;
I advise you to start a legal procedure against the insular territory of Aruba, the Dutch state or the Kingdom of the Netherlands, because the government of Aruba is lying to the world under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands, that lowlife banana republic, that Aruba is a safe and secure island for tourism; even for the people there is no justice, while there exists no security of law, no justice on that little island, neither that so called democracy!

Because corruption is in power
 
And the government under the Cabinet of Nelson Orlando Oduber has changed the insular territory of Aruba into a den of thieves!
                                                                                                                        I cordially welcome you to the website written in the Dutch and in English languages www.onrecht.biz   www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com   www.arubainjustice.com so that you can get an impression of the total injustice that has manifested itself on Aruba. Queen Beatrix of the KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS Do not Err; God is not made sport of: for whatever seed a man puts in, he will get back as grain. Galatians 6-7

You are absolutely invited to pass on this letter to the press, television and any media.
 
Yours sincerely 
                                                                                                                     Carlos Severino Tromp

http://www.yayabla.nl/news/show_article.php?articleid=13690


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 07:09:19 PM
msmarple
Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
Reply #146 on: October 06, 2006, 01:08:11 AM


Mystery in paradise
By Mitchell Zuckoff, Globe Staff, 11/19/2000


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - The balconies at the Wyndham Aruba hotel are small and private. They have high steel railings that curve inward at the top, for safety.

After a day of sun and rum, Renee and Roy Tiano of Framingham went to their room on the hotel's 12th floor.

Married for four years, the parents of two small children, Renee and Roy left their bathing suits on the floor near the bathroom. It was a warm March night; a three-quarter moon rose in a clear Caribbean sky. They went naked onto the balcony.

Minutes later, without a sound, Renee went over the railing, falling 80 feet to her death on a ballroom roof.

A witness called the hotel operator. Ten minutes passed. Then Roy called the hotel operator.

Later that night, Roy told Aruban police that Renee had felt ill, so he left the balcony to get her a glass of water. He said he heard a noise, turned around, and she was gone.

Aruban police quickly ruled out suicide and declared Renee's death an accident, never revealing the basis for that finding.

Eight months later, Renee Kennedy Tiano's family remains tortured by questions, tormented by suspicion.

''I've got good reason to believe my brother-in-law's story isn't true,'' said her brother, Michael Kennedy of Hopkinton. ''It's either not true or not complete. I want the truth.''

Why, her family wonders, did Roy wait 10 minutes to seek help, and how did he spend that time? Why did police find no fingerprints on the railing? Why did Roy rush to get off the island, leaving Renee's body behind? Why did Roy refuse to allow an autopsy in Massachusetts? Why wouldn't he talk with the FBI? Were Aruban officials more concerned about tourism than justice?

In a brief telephone interview, Roy provided no answers. ''What do you mean you want to hear my side?'' he said. ''She fell off the [expletive] balcony. What more is there to it?'' Then he hung up the phone.

But there might well be more to it.

Unbeknownst to Renee's family, Aruban authorities and FBI agents who came to the island formed a disturbing theory about how she died.

It is a theory that does not answer all the questions. But it does challenge Roy's story about getting her a glass of water. Instead, it places him at the railing with Renee when she fell.

The theory is based on clues from none other than Renee herself - from her appearance in a hotel security video taken minutes before she fell and from telling marks on her body. It also fits an odd comment Roy made to one of Renee's brothers.

And yet, US and Aruban authorities have tried to bury the theory along with Renee. Despite pleas from family members for information, no official of either government has ever told them about their theory. The family first heard it from a Globe reporter.

Athlete, bodybuilder
Renee was 32, with a big smile and bright blue eyes. People who loved her say she was happy and outgoing. A family video taken two weeks before she died shows her turning cartwheels in the backyard of her parents' Dedham home.
She had asthma but was an athlete nonetheless, running track and starring on Dedham High School's field hockey team. After high school, Renee attended Mitchell Community College in New London, Conn., then Southeastern Massachusetts University.

She was working as an office manager at Mount Auburn Hospital in Cambridge when she met Roy.

It was 1993, and she was sharing a Waltham apartment with her cousin and best friend, Donna MacInnes. Renee had become a bodybuilder, sculpting her 5-foot-8-inch form at the World Gym in Waltham.

Roy, now 40, was a World Gym regular, too. Thickly muscled, 5-feet-9, a Waltham native, he ran his own plastering business.

''When they first met he gave her a lot of attention, fed her ego, said all the right things,'' MacInnes recalled. ''He was very affectionate towards her, almost to the point where it was inappropriate. She was embarrassed by him sometimes.''

Soon after they met, Roy made plans to open a gym in Florida. They moved to Fort Lauderdale with help from the oldest of Renee's three brothers, Edward Kennedy. He found it odd that their apartment was on an upper floor of a high-rise; Renee was afraid of heights, he said, and during his visit would not go out on the balcony.

The gym plan fizzled after several months and they returned to Massachusetts, to live in the basement of Renee's parents' home before buying a ranch-style house in Framingham. In September 1995, Renee's parents threw them a lavish wedding at Lombardo's in Randolph.

In February 1998, Renee gave birth to a son, Brandon; their daughter Katrena followed 181/2 months later. ''She was so happy,'' MacInnes said. ''She had her boy and her girl.''

Friends and family say the couple had problems typical of young families: financial pressures when Renee became a full-time mother, arguments over Roy's lack of involvement in child care, and Roy's displeasure at the weight Renee gained during pregnancy.

Last winter took a toll, though, as the whole family fell ill with pneumonia. By spring, Renee and Roy needed a vacation.

`One Happy Island'
In early March, Roy made plans for a three-night trip to Aruba, where 400,000 Americans flock each year for its 80-degree days, turquoise water, and self-proclaimed reputation as ''One Happy Island.'' Renee's parents eagerly agreed to care for the children.

They arrived on Thursday, March 23, and went quickly to the business of relaxing, dining, and drinking at the hotel's bars and restaurants. That first night they ran into one of Renee's closest friends, Sandra Parent, who has a time-share apartment on the island.

''She was her usual happy self,'' Parent recalled. ''She invited me to come meet her at the pool the next day. I said, `You want to be with your honey, and I don't want to be in the middle of two people kissing.' She blushed like a new bride.''

The next day, Roy and Renee had a breakfast buffet, then hit the beach.

''After that we visited several hotels,'' Roy said in his statement to police. ''The whole day we drank rum runners,'' a sweet yet potent mix of rum, blackberry brandy, and banana liqueur. In Roy's words, ''We became drunk.''

They walked a mile on the white sand of Aruba's Palm Beach, past surf shops and hawkers selling aloe vera. Then they returned to their hotel, stopping at the poolside Tambu Bar.

They ordered two rumrunners and four Heineken beers. Roy signed the tab with an illegible scrawl. Below Roy's signature, a waiter wrote in Dutch, ''Drunken man.'' The time stamped on the bill was 7:37 p.m.

En route to their room, Renee and Roy went to the hotel's lower lobby. A security video shows them in bathing suits, drinks in hand. Looking tired and spent, Renee sat heavily on a padded bench while waiting for the elevator.

When it arrived, Renee pressed the button for the 12th floor and the door closed. She walked to the back corner and slumped to the floor in a sitting position. Her arms rested on her knees and her head drooped, face down, the security video shows.

Roy, wearing Speedo-style swim trunks, walked over to Renee and straddled her while she sat. He shook his hips and pressed his crotch against her downturned head. She made no response.

The doors opened and Roy walked out, but Renee remained slumped in the corner. When he realized she wasn't with him, he stopped the elevator doors from closing. After 10 seconds or so, she raised her head slightly and held up her right hand. Roy pulled her up and out to the hall. It was the last image of her alive. The video time-stamp reads 7:53 p.m.

From 8:08 to 8:18
Roy described Renee's last 15 minutes this way to Aruban police: ''We went to the room. When we arrived there we both got undressed. We went and sat on the balcony. On the balcony we started to caress each other.'' He said they did not have sex. Then, Roy said, Renee felt ill and he went to get her water.

They were in Room 1219. Seven floors directly below, in Room 519, was Thomas Dowden of louisiana. He saw Renee plummet.

''I was out on the balcony smoking a cigarette,'' Dowden recalled. ''All of a sudden it sounded like a full piece of luggage landed in front of me. It was like, `whomp!' No scream, no other sound. A whoosh of air.''

He looked down to the ballroom roof below his balcony and saw a naked body, face-down and motionless in a puddle of blood. He phoned for help. The hotel's call log shows it was 8:08 p.m.

Roy's call was logged at 8:18 p.m. He never mentioned a delay to police: ''I looked over the railing and saw her lying on the roof below. I called the receptionist and informed her.''

Roy spent several more minutes in their room, then went to the elevator, security videos show. When the doors opened, he saw people inside and pulled back to wait for an empty one. After several frustrating trips to the wrong floors in search of the ballroom roof, Roy punched the control panel of floor numbers and tore a phone off the wall.

Eventually he reached the correct floor. With no doorway to the roof, he threw a cast-iron bench through a window and climbed out. Dowden, watching from above, said Roy seemed deeply upset as he crouched by Renee's body. He cried out: ''What am I going to do?''

Left a day early
Summoned by hotel security, two Aruban police detectives secured the scene and, several hours later, took a statement from Roy. At the time, police were unaware of the 10-minute gap. They had not seen the video. They did not interrogate or detain him. He was agitated, so they sent him to Aruba's only hospital for psychiatric observation.

Roy returned to the hotel the next morning and called Renee's family and made plans to leave the island. It was a day before his scheduled return, and Renee's body was in the morgue.

Through their shock and grief, her brothers begged him to stay with her. He refused, trusting Renee's body to an Aruban mortician, Eugene Maduro, until her brothers could fly down.

''While I was in the [hotel] room he was on the phone with someone,'' Maduro said. ''I heard him say, `What am I going to do now with the damn kids?' That stayed with me. And he leaves without her?''

With little investigation, police allowed Roy to change flights and leave that day for Boston, effectively closing the case. ''It looked like it was an accident, and we couldn't prove that the other person had something to do with a crime,'' said prosecutor Elivia Lugo.

The next day, Renee's brothers Michael and John flew to Aruba to retrieve their sister's body. They began asking questions of hotel officials and authorities; they began to doubt Roy's story and the competence of the Aruban police.

They won help from Barbara Stephenson, the US consul general to Aruba. Troubled by what they told her, Stephenson arranged Aruban approval for an FBI evidence team to fly to the island later that week to work with Aruban authorities.

FBI officials have refused to comment about what they found. But both US and Aruban officials involved with the case said in interviews that evidence from the joint investigation suggested Roy's story was false.

From the outset, it seemed implausible that Renee had simply fallen over a 44-inch-high safety railing whose top bar would have nestled under her rib cage. No one had ever fallen over the railings; the only known balcony death at the Wyndham was a suicide several years ago. A new theory began to form.

Protecting the children
The first clues came from the Aruban medical examiner. All of Renee's injuries were consistent with a fall, except two: On her back and behind her right knee were scrapes that contained grit from the hotel's outer wall. The investigators concluded that she fell backward over the railing, from a sitting position, scraping her back and leg on the way down.

Then there was the elevator video, which suggested that both Roy and Renee were intoxicated and that Roy was focused on having sex. Those images fit with the waiter's note on their check that Roy was drunk and with witnesses who saw them dancing sensually at the Tambu Bar.

In fact, the medical examiner concluded that Renee had had intercourse in the hours before she died, and had a blood alcohol level of .196, more than twice Massachusetts' legal driving limit.

The evidence began adding up this way: Renee and Roy were together on the balcony, naked under the moonlight. Renee was seated on the rounded top bar of the railing, facing Roy. Roy held her on the railing as they had sex.

Then something awful happened: somehow, Roy lost his grip. Renee fell backward, scraping her legs and back, falling past one balcony then another, plunging past Dowden on the fifth floor, then slamming head-first into the balcony roof.

The investigators thought the 10-minute gap could be explained as time Roy needed to react to the shock of his wife's death. The theory also might explain why he was in a hurry to leave the island, why he refused her family's requests for a second autopsy in Massachusetts, and why he refused to speak with the FBI.

It might also explain a remark Renee's brother Edward said Roy made two days after she died. After telling Edward his drink-of-water story, Roy suddenly added: ''She had baby oil on.''

''I said, `What are you talking about?''' Edward recalled. ''He didn't answer. He started telling his story again.''

An Aruban government official said authorities refused to disclose their conclusions to the family in part to protect Renee's children.

''It's bad enough the kids don't have a mother,'' said Henry Baarh, Aruba's director of foreign affairs. ''But to not have a mother because she was having sex on the balcony with your father and she fell, well, that's another thing entirely.''

Renee's family reacted angrily when a Globe reporter told them the investigators' sex-on-the-balcony theory.

''How the hell do the FBI and the Aruban authorities get into the business of making up stories for people?'' said her brother Michael. ''What they should say is, `What you told us is not true. Now we have real problems with you as a person who was there at the time of this death. You have anything else to say?'''

Was she aware?
Although the investigators' theory fits key pieces of evidence, troubling questions remain.

Aruban authorities said they closed the case in part because both were drunk and seemed amorous at the bar, leading them to conclude that both participated in dangerous balcony sex.

Authorities from both countries acknowledged, however, that they would have pursued the case if they thought Renee had been unconscious, unwilling, or unable to get onto the railing on her own.

However, Roy was never asked those questions in Aruba. And when FBI agents went to his house in Framingham a week later, armed with a list of 52 questions, Roy turned them away. Among their questions, ''What was her state of consciousness? Was she awake?''

By refusing to cooperate, Roy also spared himself from being asked about evidence relating to those questions: Renee's drowsy appearance in the video, her fear of heights, and Dowden's recollection of a silent ''piece of luggage'' falling.

Mary Ames, a Boston lawyer hired by Renee's brothers, said Aruba's failure to aggressively pursue the case, including the questions of Renee's consciousness, reflects their concern about the country's tourism industry.

''The Aruban government is digging in their heels and insisting on the correctness of their position, and the American government seems powerless on their own to go down and conduct their own investigation,'' Ames said.

''We're caught in this crazy Catch-22,'' she added, ''without answers to find out what happened to this young mother, daughter, sister who went down for this four-day vacation and never came back.''

At the request of Renee's family, Senator John F. Kerry has pressed Aruba to reopen the investigation. In a letter to Aruban diplomats, the Massachusetts Democrat cited unanswered questions that ''intenstified when Mr. Tiano refused to cooperate with any further investigation of his wife's death.

''Mrs. Tiano's family is very concerned that troubling details about the case raise serious questions about the possibility of foul play and merit further investigation,'' Kerry's letter said.

But Aruban officials remain unmoved. ''We have already closed that case,'' insisted Lugo, the Aruban prosecutor.

In response to Kerry's request, Baarh, Aruba's director of foreign affairs, drafted a letter that says a new investigation would require new evidence and a formal request from the US Justice Department. Neither seems forthcoming.

The federal prosecutor in Boston handling the case said there are no grounds for the United States to investigate Renee's death further and no way to force Aruba to act. ''I have tried to rack my brain for ways to find jurisdiction, and I can't. We're not punting this without thought,'' he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

He acknowledged, however, that federal or state authorities could seek fraud charges on US soil if it were shown that Roy made ''material misrepresentations'' to collect life insurance. Lies by a beneficiary about the circumstances of an accidental death could meet that standard, the prosecutor said. But he declined to say whether he would pursue it.

On June 29, three months after Renee died, Roy collected $500,000 from her policy with New York Life Insurance Co. A company spokesman declined to comment about what claims Roy made about her death.

''Absent any court action or legal authority requiring our involvement, this matter is closed for us,'' the insurance company spokesman said.

A headstone and a cross

In the eight months since Renee died, Roy has gone on raising their children in their Framingham home. He has traded in the family minivan for a Cadillac Seville.

He has never wavered from a line from his police statement: ''I don't know how my wife fell from the balcony.''

Renee's family, meanwhile, stews in frustration and pays regular visits to St. Joseph's Cemetery in West Roxbury.

Renee's grave has a red eternal light and a pink granite headstone surrounded by flowers. Her family asked Roy to include her maiden name on the stone, but it says only ''Tiano, Renee Charlene, 1967-2000.''

But someone has placed a small wooden cross at the base of the headstone, with a laminated photo of Renee and her name in white paint. Only her maiden name.

''We're not going to let it go,'' said Renee's brother Edward. ''If we have to go stand in front of travel agents or the Aruban embassy or whatever, we'll do it.''

This story ran on page A01 of the Boston Globe on 11/19/2000.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 26, 2009, 07:23:06 PM
What a sad story.. ::MonkeyWaa:: Nothing changes on ONE SICK ISLAND..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 07:45:36 PM
... and an Elivia Lugo connection.

This family felt that the FBI and Aruba were conspired together to rule out foul play.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Keepthefaith ... there are times that I think that the underlying political issues that are mutually beneficial to both Aruba and the United States will prevail over justice for Natalee Holloway.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on May 26, 2009, 10:14:04 PM
To me this marks four years. It was upon returning to town from Memorial Day that our voice mail had the message that Natalee had not returned. Beth, I hope you are doing alright.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 26, 2009, 10:30:53 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

It seems like after four years Pietersz might welcome assistance from the FBI!

I can understand not wanting an independent person like Golba using the fire hose again, but at this point it seems like all efforts would be made to resolve the case.  I don't see how the FBI could possibly "get in the way"...unless there are things he doesn't want investigated or revealed.

JMO


I agree! It will be "business as usual" in Aruba.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: At least we know from the beginning that Aruba is going to do NOTHING   this time either.


Isn't this something!  This time the new OM doesn't even make the empty promises to do something but says right up front that not only is he not going to provide any information to the media but he won't let anyone else do anything either.

Dave Holloway had permission for that bogus pond search before he sent the man and the dog down there to do it.  I don't recall this ever being such a big issue with any other country before.  Our friends and allies normally do not have any problem working with our FBI.  Makes me wonder if Aruba isn't afraid of so many others things being found, other than Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 26, 2009, 10:31:51 PM
To me this marks four years. It was upon returning to town from Memorial Day that our voice mail had the message that Natalee had not returned. Beth, I hope you are doing alright.


Good to see you, YR!  As you can see, we are still here hoping and praying along with Beth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 26, 2009, 10:36:23 PM
All of these investigations into corruption in Aruba are well and good but I don't think they will have anything to do with the type of corruption and cronyism that made for the cover up in Natalee's disappearance.

I may be wrong but I think they are going after financial corruption only.  I will be very surprised if we ever see that investigation into van der Straten that Rudy Croes was threatening to do.  He just said that to get his way about something or other.  And even if they did do it, they would just file a report in the end and nothing would be done to those who obstructed justice.  It would all be called a misunderstanding or incompetence or even bungling but never the criminal acts it truly was.

They just care about where their money is going and who is squandering it in Aruba.

MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on May 26, 2009, 10:39:11 PM
To me this marks four years. It was upon returning to town from Memorial Day that our voice mail had the message that Natalee had not returned. Beth, I hope you are doing alright.


Good to see you, YR!  As you can see, we are still here hoping and praying along with Beth.

Good to see you, too, Anna. Keep up the good work.

It's my understanding that the kids from Mtn. Brook again split up into lots of small post graduation trips. I hope they all return safely.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 26, 2009, 11:03:11 PM
To me this marks four years. It was upon returning to town from Memorial Day that our voice mail had the message that Natalee had not returned. Beth, I hope you are doing alright.

Yellow Ribbon, good to see you.  We are here for Natalee and do hope Beth is doing just alright.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 11:27:26 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2009, 11:30:10 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

THE FINAL GOODBYE
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 15/16:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005 ...

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things into the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house.  It was very dark at that hour, and we were both ony half awake.  But we did talk some.  Small talk.  We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, suncreen, and the like.  When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life.  The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin.  She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag.  I got out and walked around the car to help her.  She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you!  Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side.  I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door.  Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked over my shoulder to see her go inside.  The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in.  I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside.  The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely.  It was pitch-black again.  I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 26, 2009, 11:45:52 PM


 :cry:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 26, 2009, 11:50:34 PM


 :cry:

I agree.  In my last post I had posted 'hope Beth is just fine....then changed 'fine' to 'alright'.  When I read it just now, I first was upset with myself, but as a mother can see that after all this time and all that's gone on, perhaps Beth is just 'alright'.  OMG


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 12:02:58 AM


 :cry:

I agree.  In my last post I had posted 'hope Beth is just fine....then changed 'fine' to 'alright'.  When I read it just now, I first was upset with myself, but as a mother can see that after all this time and all that's gone on, perhaps Beth is just 'alright'.  OMG

I know what you mean 2NJ, and I tried to say more but I can't get my words to where I'm happy with them either.  Bless her heart, we just want things to be the best that they can be for her in this situation.  Whatever that is...for sure good enough to keep on fighting to find the truth for her precious Natalee.  God, please give her the strength to do whatever it takes!  We'll be here for her and do whatever we can too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2009, 12:03:10 AM


 :cry:

I agree.  In my last post I had posted 'hope Beth is just fine....then changed 'fine' to 'alright'.  When I read it just now, I first was upset with myself, but as a mother can see that after all this time and all that's gone on, perhaps Beth is just 'alright'.  OMG

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 230/231
:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 12:36:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

THE FINAL GOODBYE
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 15/16:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005 ...

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things into the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house.  It was very dark at that hour, and we were both ony half awake.  But we did talk some.  Small talk.  We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, suncreen, and the like.  When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life.  The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin.  She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag.  I got out and walked around the car to help her.  She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you!  Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side.  I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door.  Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked over my shoulder to see her go inside.  The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in.  I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside.  The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely.  It was pitch-black again.  I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

IF I was Kyle Kingman and IF (as Kyle) I could give closure to Beth, Dave, family and Justice for Natalee...But I did not..shame on me..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 27, 2009, 12:40:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

THE FINAL GOODBYE
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 15/16:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005 ...

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things into the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house.  It was very dark at that hour, and we were both ony half awake.  But we did talk some.  Small talk.  We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, suncreen, and the like.  When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life.  The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin.  She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag.  I got out and walked around the car to help her.  She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you!  Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side.  I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door.  Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked over my shoulder to see her go inside.  The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in.  I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside.  The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely.  It was pitch-black again.  I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

IF I was Kyle Kingman and IF (as Kyle) I could give closure to Beth, Dave, family and Justice for Natalee...But I did not..shame on me..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Does anyone know Kyle's current "status" with Silvetti is???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 01:03:05 AM



I got locked out!   ::MonkeyWaa::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 01:03:59 AM
NEW DOMESTIC FILINGS:   12/20/08  THRU  12/26/09   

36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
                 Agent:   ROBERT L. BROUSSARD  220 HEYMANN BLVD.  LAFAYETTE, LA  70503
               Member/Manager   JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
               Member/Manager   CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member  1409 HWY 356  SUNSET, LA  70584
               Member/Manager   MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70507

Edit to add link per billb:
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/Corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 01:06:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

THE FINAL GOODBYE
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 15/16:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005 ...

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things into the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house.  It was very dark at that hour, and we were both ony half awake.  But we did talk some.  Small talk.  We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, suncreen, and the like.  When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life.  The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin.  She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag.  I got out and walked around the car to help her.  She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you!  Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side.  I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door.  Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked over my shoulder to see her go inside.  The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in.  I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside.  The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely.  It was pitch-black again.  I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

IF I was Kyle Kingman and IF (as Kyle) I could give closure to Beth, Dave, family and Justice for Natalee...But I did not..shame on me..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Does anyone know Kyle's current "status" with Silvetti is???

I don't.  I'm thinking it wasn't good...but not sure about that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 01:07:32 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 01:08:26 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

THE FINAL GOODBYE
.
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 15/16:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005 ...

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things into the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house.  It was very dark at that hour, and we were both ony half awake.  But we did talk some.  Small talk.  We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, suncreen, and the like.  When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life.  The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin.  She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag.  I got out and walked around the car to help her.  She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you!  Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side.  I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door.  Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked over my shoulder to see her go inside.  The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in.  I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside.  The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely.  It was pitch-black again.  I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

IF I was Kyle Kingman and IF (as Kyle) I could give closure to Beth, Dave, family and Justice for Natalee...But I did not..shame on me..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.  He'll have to answer one day. 
He will also have to look into the eyes of the baby girl that is Natalee's namesake. 
How long will it take to do the right thing? 
Is there enough money or opportunity to ever ease/erase something like that on a man's conscience? 
I think not.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 27, 2009, 01:20:49 AM
NEW DOMESTIC FILINGS:   12/20/08  THRU  12/26/09   

36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
                 Agent:   ROBERT L. BROUSSARD  220 HEYMANN BLVD.  LAFAYETTE, LA  70503
               Member/Manager   JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
               Member/Manager   CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member  1409 HWY 356  SUNSET, LA  70584
               Member/Manager   MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70507
Edit to add link per billb:
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/Corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt

Hi, billb.....do have the link for this?  It's late for me.    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 01:21:34 AM
Thunderstorm is moving in, so I'm calling it a night!

We were without power for quite a while today, so I'm shutting down just in case.

My prayer's are with Natalee's family as always; especially for comfort this week.

And as always that the answers will come!

Good night everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 27, 2009, 01:24:02 AM
Thunderstorm is moving in, so I'm calling it a night!

We were without power for quite a while today, so I'm shutting down just in case.

My prayer's are with Natalee's family as always; especially for comfort this week.

And as always that the answers will come!

Good night everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight, TM....I got locked out earlier, too.  Stay safe....see you later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:25:01 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/


Look at Kyle's credential's but,we're suppose to believe Johan and his Hermit crab Sh_t.........Please! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 01:25:25 AM
NEW DOMESTIC FILINGS:   12/20/08  THRU  12/26/09   

36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
                 Agent:   ROBERT L. BROUSSARD  220 HEYMANN BLVD.  LAFAYETTE, LA  70503
               Member/Manager   JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
               Member/Manager   CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member  1409 HWY 356  SUNSET, LA  70584
               Member/Manager   MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70507


Hi, billb.....do have the link for this?  It's late for me.    ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/Corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:25:38 AM
Thunderstorm is moving in, so I'm calling it a night!

We were without power for quite a while today, so I'm shutting down just in case.

My prayer's are with Natalee's family as always; especially for comfort this week.

And as always that the answers will come!

Good night everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

Stay safe TM.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 01:27:47 AM
ktf...
Lakers in 6...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:31:02 AM
ktf...
Lakers in 6...

I hope BillB..I pray they beat the Denver Thuggets..... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 27, 2009, 01:31:07 AM
Thanks, billb, for that link.....this Jersey Girl needs to get some sleep.    :smt015


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 01:34:03 AM
Thanks, billb, for that link.....this Jersey Girl needs to get some sleep.    :smt015
Good night 2NJSons_Mom....sleep tight ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 01:35:10 AM
ktf...
Lakers in 6...

I hope BillB..I pray they beat the Denver Thuggets..... ::MonkeyDevil::
Kobe...Labron....can't wait!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:35:26 AM
Thanks, billb, for that link.....this Jersey Girl needs to get some sleep.    :smt015

GoodNight 2nj.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:37:17 AM
ktf...
Lakers in 6...

I hope BillB..I pray they beat the Denver Thuggets..... ::MonkeyDevil::
Kobe...Labron....can't wait!

Orlando up 3-1 on Cleveland..Would luv to see Kobe,Lebron but they've got a deep hole!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:40:17 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/


Look at Kyle's credential's but,we're suppose to believe Johan and his Hermit crab Sh_t.........Please! ::MonkeyCool::

These P.O.S will get greedy,as well as complacent and,we'll be sitten and waiting!Time is on our side Persistence...... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 01:44:45 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/


Look at Kyle's credential's but,we're suppose to believe Johan and his Hermit crab Sh_t.........Please! ::MonkeyCool::

These P.O.S will get greedy,as well as complacent and,we'll be sitten and waiting!Time is on our side Persistence...... ::MonkeyAngel::
Monkeys are the greatest surveillance team ever assembled demanding Justice for Natalee.....
Be scared aruba...be very scared...... ::MonkeyCool::
We've got at least 36 more years....and did I mention our children/grandchildren? ::MonkeyDevil::
Suck on tHAT..aruba!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 27, 2009, 01:48:05 AM
Good night billb, Keepthefaith, caesu and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

Keep it safe all yous in thunderstorm country....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:48:34 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/


Look at Kyle's credential's but,we're suppose to believe Johan and his Hermit crab Sh_t.........Please! ::MonkeyCool::

These P.O.S will get greedy,as well as complacent and,we'll be sitten and waiting!Time is on our side Persistence...... ::MonkeyAngel::
Monkeys are the greatest surveillance team ever assembled demanding Justice for Natalee.....
Be scared aruba...be very scared...... ::MonkeyCool::
We've got at least 36 more years....and did I mention our children/grandchildren? ::MonkeyDevil::
Suck on tHAT..aruba!



Go BillB..We could start a Justice for Natalee Holloway training program.. ::MonkeyDevil::.I truly believe in time more things will come to fruition as long as we keep our eyes peeled,as well as have a little help from the good lord upstairs!These Evil Perps and American traitors will have their day.Hopefully sooner then later but,it will come... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:49:06 AM
Good night billb, Keepthefaith, caesu and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

Keep it safe all yous in thunderstorm country....

GoodNight BillB! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 27, 2009, 01:49:52 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 02:27:32 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: IBE on May 27, 2009, 03:05:04 AM
Please stay safe from the storms!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 27, 2009, 08:29:47 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/

Thanks!!! It APPEARS there is no longer a working relationship with Silvetti ---- WHAT'S KEEPING KYLE FROM "SPILLING THE BEANS"????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 27, 2009, 09:27:29 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/


Look at Kyle's credential's but,we're suppose to believe Johan and his Hermit crab Sh_t.........Please! ::MonkeyCool::

These P.O.S will get greedy,as well as complacent and,we'll be sitten and waiting!Time is on our side Persistence...... ::MonkeyAngel::
Monkeys are the greatest surveillance team ever assembled demanding Justice for Natalee.....
Be scared aruba...be very scared...... ::MonkeyCool::
We've got at least 36 more years....and did I mention our children/grandchildren? ::MonkeyDevil::
Suck on tHAT..aruba!



Oh, you sweet talker!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, billb, and we'll pick 'em off one at a time if need be! They can run but they can't hide!!!    ::MonkeyWink::


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/sweaty-running-man.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2009, 09:53:24 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/

Thanks!!! It APPEARS there is no longer a working relationship with Silvetti ---- WHAT'S KEEPING KYLE FROM "SPILLING THE BEANS"????


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Kermit and the rest of them not only betrayed my trust and the confidentiality agreement, she continued to post slanderous accusations and used some of my own words, thoughts, and opinions out of context to peddle her adjenda and make the search team look like a bunch of conspirators with John and I at the helm! John hasn't spoken to me since all this nonsense exploded. I've worked with him since Hurricane Katrina. He's been one of my best and trusted clients and friends. This may have destroyed our relationship and therefore affected my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter... who we named after Natalee. When will the madness end?


Source:

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #817 4/22/09 -
Reply #488 on: April 27, 2009, 05:02:01 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?
topic=4918.msg787088;topicseen#msg787088


jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #817 4/22/09 -
Reply #493 on: April 27, 2009, 05:36:14 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4918.msg787088;topicseen#msg787088


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2009, 10:14:31 AM
Kyle apparently is doing well.
http://www.geosolutions.blogspot.com/

Thanks!!! It APPEARS there is no longer a working relationship with Silvetti ---- WHAT'S KEEPING KYLE FROM "SPILLING THE BEANS"????

Could it be that there was a negotiated settlement received from John Silvetti for Kyle's silence?

Could it be that Kyle Kingman's own words busted John Silvetti's betray big time?

Think about it.  Does it not speaks volumes that John Silvetti is not suing Kyle Kingman for defamation in regards the implication of the incriminating words within his postings.

Janet
_____


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2009, 10:41:33 AM
The following Amigoe translation was posted by Debbie at the Gold Monkey forum.

Janet
+++++++

No new charges in Holloway-case
26 Mei, 2009, 10:05 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD The public prosecutor continues to lead the investigation for the missing American teenager Natalee Holloway. After the departure of head officer Hans Mos, the Attorney General, Rob Pietersz will be the spokesperson.

Contrary to the allegations in the Dutch media, the new head officer will not lead the investigation. From now on, the Attorney General will be spokesperson as he is of the opinion that the Public Prosecutor provided the press with detailed insights, also on other current cases. I have another view on press matters. I do not deny the bond between the Public Prosecutor and the press, and thats the way it should be, but we must mark time to realize that you cannot divulge all details of an investigation at any desired moment. A careful watch must be kept in view of everyones right to privacy.

Pietersz was also of the opinion, that too many details of the investigation in the Holloway case were given, amongst others by the head officer Hans Mos. Yes, the Public Prosecutor and/or the police may have certain suspicions, but the question is whether these suspicions should be shared with the entire community. Pietersz declines the circulating rumors that Mos is leaving due to him not getting along with the new Attorney General. It is not correct to state that I am the reason he is leaving. I guarantee that there was no sanction against him whatsoever. According to him, Mos is leaving because the court general asked him to become quartermaster and possibly first head officer of the new Public Prosecutor on St. Martin. Meanwhile a new head officer (and Solicitor General) has been recruited in the Netherlands, and will be soon introduced.

For that matter, the Attorney General addressed the departing head officer several times, also concerning certain remarks, and on admitting foreign agencies, whilst Pietersz was of the opinion that this required reticence. It concerns huge criminal prosecuting institutions as the FBI, but also agencies as recently employed by Dave Holloway, Natalees father, who had the island search by a bloodhound.
They have no authority here whatsoever. One must be extremely cautious, not to set the local people aside. The Attorney General recently spoke with the American consul and previously forwarded him a letter so that he could inform his authorities in the United States. The message is, that no foreign, and thus no American tracing service can operate without a prior request to the Attorney General. This is also stated in the treaty on mutual legal assistance between the United States and the Netherlands. We must respect this otherwise we will end up with scenes where all institutes will hamper their own people.

This coming Saturday, May 30th, it will be four years ago that Natalee disappeared on Aruba. The criminal investigation continues.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57140.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2009, 10:51:38 AM
NEW DOMESTIC FILINGS:   12/20/08  THRU  12/26/09   

36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
                 Agent:   ROBERT L. BROUSSARD  220 HEYMANN BLVD.  LAFAYETTE, LA  70503
               Member/Manager   JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
               Member/Manager   CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member  1409 HWY 356  SUNSET, LA  70584
               Member/Manager   MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70507


Hi, billb.....do have the link for this?  It's late for me.    ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/Corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt


Am I the only Natalee Holloway Monkey who is out of the loop in regards to the research encompassing all these filing posts which pertain to John Silvetti's interests?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 27, 2009, 12:47:29 PM
Good day monkeys.  Another article on the "corruption investigation" we keep hearing about.  At any rate, our continued discussions on the obvious corruption and conflict of interests that run rampant in Aruba, are important.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Bijleveld shares Aruba
worries with Parliament

THE HAGUE--Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten told the Second Chamber on Monday that there were sufficient signals to be concerned about the integrity and quality of Arubas government as well as the maintenance of law and order on the island.

The combination of signals is sufficiently worrisome and reason enough to initiate an investigation into the state of affairs in Aruba. Based on this investigation, a decision will have to be taken on whether further measures are needed and on what level this should take place.

Bijleveld-Schouten aims to inform the Kingdom Council of Ministers and the Second Chamber before this summer on the direction of this investigation. She is currently discussing the interpretation of this investigation with Aruba.

In her letter of May 25 to the Second Chamber, the State Secretary gave her view on the functioning of the Aruba Police Force, the Prosecutors Office, the courts, the prison, immigration system and democracy in general. She also touched on the 1993 protocol between the Netherlands and Aruba and the reports about conflict-of-interest situations.

The understaffing of the Aruba Police Force is a great concern. The plan to upgrade the Police Force is being implemented, but the progress is too slow. The Netherlands and Aruba signed a cooperation protocol in 2006. As a result of this protocol, the Netherlands made available a police officer for the position of police chief.

According to the Netherlands, the Aruban government should pay more attention to the improvement plan. Bijleveld-Schouten also reported that the workload of the Detective Department was too heavy due to the large number of corruption cases.

There is also understaffing at the Prosecutors Office with only four of the six positions of Prosecutor filled. The position of Solicitor General is still vacant. The Prosecutors Office has to deal with a large number of reports of corruption in politics and in the civil administration. Aruba has not been cooperating sufficiently to realise improvements in the Common Court of Justice in Aruba.

Though there have been some improvements at the KIA prison, there are still concerns about understaffing at the penitentiary. The greatest concern remains the detention facility for (illegal) foreigners, where no improvements have been realised. The Immigration system is not functioning optimally. The immigration laws and related policy are not executed in a consistent manner, which leads to undesired situations with arbitrariness as the greatest risk.

Democracy in general is also at risk because Parliament is not functioning as it should. Questions by members of Parliament often remain unanswered and requested public meetings are not held. Draft legislation proposed by the opposition is not handled. This situation has to do with the fact that one party has an absolute majority in Parliament.

A number of the agreements set in the 1993 protocol between the Netherlands and Aruba have not been executed. In the interest of proper public administration, Bijleveld-Schouten considered it important that at least the agreement on a national ordinance regulating party financing and the establishment of an independent institution where citizens can file complaints about government organs are lived up to.

The State Secretary said she was concerned about regular reports in the media about alleged corruption and conflict-of-interest situations. The court has also handed down several convictions. The lack of transparency when government takes decisions leads to the appearance of corruption or conflict of interest.

Bijleveld-Schouten pointed out that the countries in the Dutch Kingdom primarily carried their own responsibilities in the area of fundamental rights and freedom, maintenance of law and order, and good governance. If these factors are not being guaranteed, the Kingdom Government can intervene, based on Article 43 of the Kingdom Charter.

The State Secretary has a meeting with the Second Chambers Permanent Committee for Antillean and Aruban Affairs NAAZ today, Wednesday. The state of affairs in Aruba is a topic in this meeting. Bijleveld-Schouten announced in the First Chamber last week that she planned to initiate an investigation into the state of affairs in Aruba.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m008/blijem008.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 27, 2009, 01:45:34 PM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 27, 2009, 05:09:31 PM
My step-father did that with his construction co. and his real estate business.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 06:03:47 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57196.php

Google translation:

Oduber: 'The Netherlands wants to influence elections "

May 27, 2009, 17:30 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - I think it very far and creating a precedent. "Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has no good word about the State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) announced research into the administrative functioning in Aruba. He suspects it to the Netherlands to the upcoming elections will affect.

The Aruban Prime Minister said in an interview with the World. "This is a bad start and seems to colonial thinking: 'I think you and I ga examine you." Before you do so you must have facts. If a country within the Kingdom cooperates with the Netherlands, the United States but also with the West to combat international crime, money laundering, etc. and a good reputation in the region, it is Aruba. "

Oduber suspects Netherlands also influence the parliamentary elections on September 25. "Another conclusion I can draw. We are almost eight years in government and now you have these things on a visit to Aruba parlamentariers have been? "The Prime Minister fears that the Dutch government MEP wins the next election and this research could be misused by the opposition appear to attract as if democracy is not in Aruba works.

In particular, the Secretary of State the word 'concern' used in its letter to the Lower House gave the necessary irritation to Oduber. "What is worrying? Since the Friends of the CDA, the AVP in the opposition? Is this worrying? "The Prime Minister, the word 'concern' rather apply for countries like Haiti. "But not a country that works well and a very good relationship with the region and America. I mean, God, I would not know what Aruba is worrying. "

Oduber highlights the many partnerships between Aruba and the Netherlands on the island, the protocol concerning the Coast Guard to the judiciary on the island and the Public Ministry. "If we have failed, then the Dutch in Aruba are also failed, because their work is not done properly. Perhaps that should also be investigated, "said the premier.

Already suggested by Justice Minister Rudy Croes also a research into the role of the Government Ministers regarding the salary increase for judges and members of the OM by the Netherlands Antilles. This is not Aruba properly done.

Groenlinks candidate Nadya Van Putten said during her campaign visit to Aruba last weekend that an investigation into possible corruption is a good thing. Van Putten which a few years a political career in Aruba does not exclude, is the high time for a fresh wind in politics and governance. The criticism of including Attorney General Rob Pietersz on how the Netherlands the current research into the Aruban governance approach, pushes them aside. "As a senior person says something does not mean that no research needed. Maybe people here fear for their position because they know that there are issues over water not good for them. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 27, 2009, 08:03:16 PM
Rammstein posted a lot of things that were just not true.  He said the judges were incorruptible for one things.  No human being is that and now even his own countrymen are calling them just that very thing.

He also said things like no pedophile was allowed around children in The Netherlands and their system was foolproof but we know better than that as well.

And as for Beth staying out of their country and territory, he has some nerve to say that.

I am sure she would be just delighted to do so if only they would return her daughter!  That's the reason she is there in case he is too dense to understand that.  Oh, he and I did have our rounds on some of those issues. 

One other thing I noticed about this poster, his language skills changed periodically.  Sometimes, he was a little ESL, other times, a bit American slangish.  One time, he sounded like he watched too many Perry Mason movies...forgot the Dutch difference!

(back to lurk mode)

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 27, 2009, 08:21:49 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57196.php

Google translation:

Oduber: 'The Netherlands wants to influence elections "

May 27, 2009, 17:30 (GMT -04:00)

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  Print this article
 
ORANGE CITY - I think it very far and creating a precedent. "Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has no good word about the State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) announced research into the administrative functioning in Aruba. He suspects it to the Netherlands to the upcoming elections will affect.

The Aruban Prime Minister said in an interview with the World. "This is a bad start and seems to colonial thinking: 'I think you and I ga examine you." Before you do so you must have facts. If a country within the Kingdom cooperates with the Netherlands, the United States but also with the West to combat international crime, money laundering, etc. and a good reputation in the region, it is Aruba. "

Oduber suspects Netherlands also influence the parliamentary elections on September 25. "Another conclusion I can draw. We are almost eight years in government and now you have these things on a visit to Aruba parlamentariers have been? "The Prime Minister fears that the Dutch government MEP wins the next election and this research could be misused by the opposition appear to attract as if democracy is not in Aruba works.

In particular, the Secretary of State the word 'concern' used in its letter to the Lower House gave the necessary irritation to Oduber. "What is worrying? Since the Friends of the CDA, the AVP in the opposition? Is this worrying? "The Prime Minister, the word 'concern' rather apply for countries like Haiti. "But not a country that works well and a very good relationship with the region and America. I mean, God, I would not know what Aruba is worrying. "

Oduber highlights the many partnerships between Aruba and the Netherlands on the island, the protocol concerning the Coast Guard to the judiciary on the island and the Public Ministry. "If we have failed, then the Dutch in Aruba are also failed, because their work is not done properly. Perhaps that should also be investigated, "said the premier.

Already suggested by Justice Minister Rudy Croes also a research into the role of the Government Ministers regarding the salary increase for judges and members of the OM by the Netherlands Antilles. This is not Aruba properly done.

Groenlinks candidate Nadya Van Putten said during her campaign visit to Aruba last weekend that an investigation into possible corruption is a good thing. Van Putten which a few years a political career in Aruba does not exclude, is the high time for a fresh wind in politics and governance. The criticism of including Attorney General Rob Pietersz on how the Netherlands the current research into the Aruban governance approach, pushes them aside. "As a senior person says something does not mean that no research needed. Maybe people here fear for their position because they know that there are issues over water not good for them. "
Sounds like Oduber is alittle Skeerred!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 27, 2009, 08:26:14 PM
NEW DOMESTIC FILINGS:   12/20/08  THRU  12/26/09   

36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
                 Agent:   ROBERT L. BROUSSARD  220 HEYMANN BLVD.  LAFAYETTE, LA  70503
               Member/Manager   JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
               Member/Manager   CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member  1409 HWY 356  SUNSET, LA  70584
               Member/Manager   MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70507


Hi, billb.....do have the link for this?  It's late for me.    ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/Corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt


Am I the only Natalee Holloway Monkey who is out of the loop in regards to the research encompassing all these filing posts which pertain to John Silvetti's interests?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



 
Janet...This filing has been posted about here on the forum several times I believe by Myself and again by Lifesong! It was maybe back in February.... I think!  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyCool::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 27, 2009, 09:18:23 PM
Deep South getting pummeled yet again with thunderstorms.  First, locally we are having dense fog then followed by the storms.  I expect to lose electricity and phone for the third time in ten days.

Ah, Spring is in the air! 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I guess even this is better than cold weather.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 27, 2009, 09:25:59 PM
Deep South getting pummeled yet again with thunderstorms.  First, locally we are having dense fog then followed by the storms.  I expect to lose electricity and phone for the third time in ten days.

Ah, Spring is in the air! 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I guess even this is better than cold weather.



Remember this when it is dry as a bone later in the summer. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 27, 2009, 09:38:21 PM
Deep South getting pummeled yet again with thunderstorms.  First, locally we are having dense fog then followed by the storms.  I expect to lose electricity and phone for the third time in ten days.

Ah, Spring is in the air! 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I guess even this is better than cold weather.



Remember this when it is dry as a bone later in the summer. ::MonkeyHaHa::

And 105 degrees in the shade, lol.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 27, 2009, 11:10:19 PM
NEW DOMESTIC FILINGS:   12/20/08  THRU  12/26/09   

36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
                 Agent:   ROBERT L. BROUSSARD  220 HEYMANN BLVD.  LAFAYETTE, LA  70503
               Member/Manager   JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
               Member/Manager   CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member  1409 HWY 356  SUNSET, LA  70584
               Member/Manager   MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70507


Hi, billb.....do have the link for this?  It's late for me.    ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/Corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt


Am I the only Natalee Holloway Monkey who is out of the loop in regards to the research encompassing all these filing posts which pertain to John Silvetti's interests?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



 
Janet...This filing has been posted about here on the forum several times I believe by Myself and again by Lifesong! It was maybe back in February.... I think!  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyCool::   

I found today, after asking billb for the link that it was already posted.  Guess that means that as involved I've been in these tidbits, I still do not retain everything.  That said, I would say that Janet's focus has been on other things, which is a good thing.  It's all good.  Thanks to all.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 27, 2009, 11:17:05 PM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 11:44:19 PM
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Papiamentu translation:

sony vrolijk ex leader of district of mep owing to lever flag of avp past owing to uni his self at the team cu of berdad have the vision y love for we people

yesterday tardi at home of sony vrolijk at shiribana, everybody can owing to see the flag berde of avp bay air. in one ambiente festivo sony vrolijk y all his family owing to ricibi otmar oduber, benny sevinger y one are big of sostenedornan of the faction berde for so arise for previous to trip at his cas the flag of avp. dirigiendo his self at esnan present, past owing to calling everybody welcome at name of his father y mother at they cas at paradera. past owing to tell awe aruba is bay achieve know what color sony is. all is ask about, all is happen, they do not see nothing y much owing to come, they all is welcome, i have sit talk y bisanan they berdad, tell cos as is. my wanted for everybody know anything, sony is man of one word so. sony conoce otmar because; carnavalista for much year end y the know much good that the is. at feburary during carnaval, sony owing to tell otmar cu the is bay yude the eleccion here. mi is bay cu otmar all out. yesterday at 4 month we is vote. today at 4 month i am believe cu we can canta victoria y we will is satisfecho of can achieve one gobierno new cu is work for her country aki, was words of sony vrolijk. otmar oduber of his near owing to indica cu for all esnan of avp is one honor for ricibi catherine (mama), chinto (tata), sony, rudy y dwin kendenan is one sample of the cambio cu people of aruba is anhela. for come cu one cambio on the problemanan of inseguridad cu have at aruba, criminalidad cu is aumenta, ladronicia, posicion social of we hendenan cu coin do not arrive, same cu is the situation of we turism. refiriendo his self at sony otmar owing to tell cu the is one person cu together cu his family for much year owing to stay much loyal at the faction cu they owing to sostene in pasado y today did take the decision of change of direction mirando one country cu do not progresa, mirando one country cu have to of one cambio for of the form ey bring felicidad at all aruba. pesey pami today is more cu one honor y contento cu we is inicia the proceso here cu one child of paradera, one family of paradera cu cual some day happen we owing to celebra the boda berde of 55 year y today we is arise the flag here at inicio of paradera. here at paradera, same cu at all aruba are you feel one breath new is bezig is come on aruba, sperando here 4 month exactly we can celebra y tomorrow here 4 month we will is in the parada of victoria celebrando the victoria of aruba y of people aruban avp. benny sevinger of his near owing to tell cu for avp is one proud y placer for is present during the celebracion of hisamento of flag. mi is believe cu this is one message cu sony is send for people of aruba, mustrando cu cos is bad y hour cu cos is bad do you have cu send the message y contribui at same instant for fix this. by of join the team of otmar sony will bay contribui directo in the cambionan cu faction avp will bay haci in the proximo gobierno. sony vrolijk y his family now is form part of family of avp, the family of people of aruba cu diabierna now, 29 of half, will is celebrando aperture of they cas of faction at paradera, cuminsando for 6or of nightfall.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 27, 2009, 11:49:58 PM
5/27/2009 Awe Mainta Page 4

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Papiamentu translation:

sony vrolijk ex leader of district of mep owing to lever flag of avp past owing to uni his self at the team cu of berdad have the vision y love for we people

yesterday tardi at home of sony vrolijk at shiribana, everybody can owing to see the flag berde of avp bay air. in one ambiente festivo sony vrolijk y all his family owing to ricibi otmar oduber, benny sevinger y one are big of sostenedornan of the faction berde for so arise for previous to trip at his cas the flag of avp. dirigiendo his self at esnan present, past owing to calling everybody welcome at name of his father y mother at they cas at paradera. past owing to tell awe aruba is bay achieve know what color sony is. all is ask about, all is happen, they do not see nothing y much owing to come, they all is welcome, i have sit talk y bisanan they berdad, tell cos as is. my wanted for everybody know anything, sony is man of one word so. sony conoce otmar because; carnavalista for much year end y the know much good that the is. at feburary during carnaval, sony owing to tell otmar cu the is bay yude the eleccion here. mi is bay cu otmar all out. yesterday at 4 month we is vote. today at 4 month i am believe cu we can canta victoria y we will is satisfecho of can achieve one gobierno new cu is work for her country aki, was words of sony vrolijk. otmar oduber of his near owing to indica cu for all esnan of avp is one honor for ricibi catherine (mama), chinto (tata), sony, rudy y dwin kendenan is one sample of the cambio cu people of aruba is anhela. for come cu one cambio on the problemanan of inseguridad cu have at aruba, criminalidad cu is aumenta, ladronicia, posicion social of we hendenan cu coin do not arrive, same cu is the situation of we turism. refiriendo his self at sony otmar owing to tell cu the is one person cu together cu his family for much year owing to stay much loyal at the faction cu they owing to sostene in pasado y today did take the decision of change of direction mirando one country cu do not progresa, mirando one country cu have to of one cambio for of the form ey bring felicidad at all aruba. pesey pami today is more cu one honor y contento cu we is inicia the proceso here cu one child of paradera, one family of paradera cu cual some day happen we owing to celebra the boda berde of 55 year y today we is arise the flag here at inicio of paradera. here at paradera, same cu at all aruba are you feel one breath new is bezig is come on aruba, sperando here 4 month exactly we can celebra y tomorrow here 4 month we will is in the parada of victoria celebrando the victoria of aruba y of people aruban avp. benny sevinger of his near owing to tell cu for avp is one proud y placer for is present during the celebracion of hisamento of flag. mi is believe cu this is one message cu sony is send for people of aruba, mustrando cu cos is bad y hour cu cos is bad do you have cu send the message y contribui at same instant for fix this. by of join the team of otmar sony will bay contribui directo in the cambionan cu faction avp will bay haci in the proximo gobierno. sony vrolijk y his family now is form part of family of avp, the family of people of aruba cu diabierna now, 29 of half, will is celebrando aperture of they cas of faction at paradera, cuminsando for 6or of nightfall.

Rings a bell, hey?   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 27, 2009, 11:55:52 PM
5/27/2009 Awe Mainta Page 4

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Papiamentu translation:

sony vrolijk ex leader of district of mep owing to lever flag of avp past owing to uni his self at the team cu of berdad have the vision y love for we people

yesterday tardi at home of sony vrolijk at shiribana, everybody can owing to see the flag berde of avp bay air. in one ambiente festivo sony vrolijk y all his family owing to ricibi otmar oduber, benny sevinger y one are big of sostenedornan of the faction berde for so arise for previous to trip at his cas the flag of avp. dirigiendo his self at esnan present, past owing to calling everybody welcome at name of his father y mother at they cas at paradera. past owing to tell awe aruba is bay achieve know what color sony is. all is ask about, all is happen, they do not see nothing y much owing to come, they all is welcome, i have sit talk y bisanan they berdad, tell cos as is. my wanted for everybody know anything, sony is man of one word so. sony conoce otmar because; carnavalista for much year end y the know much good that the is. at feburary during carnaval, sony owing to tell otmar cu the is bay yude the eleccion here. mi is bay cu otmar all out. yesterday at 4 month we is vote. today at 4 month i am believe cu we can canta victoria y we will is satisfecho of can achieve one gobierno new cu is work for her country aki, was words of sony vrolijk. otmar oduber of his near owing to indica cu for all esnan of avp is one honor for ricibi catherine (mama), chinto (tata), sony, rudy y dwin kendenan is one sample of the cambio cu people of aruba is anhela. for come cu one cambio on the problemanan of inseguridad cu have at aruba, criminalidad cu is aumenta, ladronicia, posicion social of we hendenan cu coin do not arrive, same cu is the situation of we turism. refiriendo his self at sony otmar owing to tell cu the is one person cu together cu his family for much year owing to stay much loyal at the faction cu they owing to sostene in pasado y today did take the decision of change of direction mirando one country cu do not progresa, mirando one country cu have to of one cambio for of the form ey bring felicidad at all aruba. pesey pami today is more cu one honor y contento cu we is inicia the proceso here cu one child of paradera, one family of paradera cu cual some day happen we owing to celebra the boda berde of 55 year y today we is arise the flag here at inicio of paradera. here at paradera, same cu at all aruba are you feel one breath new is bezig is come on aruba, sperando here 4 month exactly we can celebra y tomorrow here 4 month we will is in the parada of victoria celebrando the victoria of aruba y of people aruban avp. benny sevinger of his near owing to tell cu for avp is one proud y placer for is present during the celebracion of hisamento of flag. mi is believe cu this is one message cu sony is send for people of aruba, mustrando cu cos is bad y hour cu cos is bad do you have cu send the message y contribui at same instant for fix this. by of join the team of otmar sony will bay contribui directo in the cambionan cu faction avp will bay haci in the proximo gobierno. sony vrolijk y his family now is form part of family of avp, the family of people of aruba cu diabierna now, 29 of half, will is celebrando aperture of they cas of faction at paradera, cuminsando for 6or of nightfall.

Rings a bell, hey?   

Just a little ringy dingy!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 28, 2009, 12:05:54 AM
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Papiamentu translation:

sony vrolijk ex leader of district of mep owing to lever flag of avp past owing to uni his self at the team cu of berdad have the vision y love for we people

yesterday tardi at home of sony vrolijk at shiribana, everybody can owing to see the flag berde of avp bay air. in one ambiente festivo sony vrolijk y all his family owing to ricibi otmar oduber, benny sevinger y one are big of sostenedornan of the faction berde for so arise for previous to trip at his cas the flag of avp. dirigiendo his self at esnan present, past owing to calling everybody welcome at name of his father y mother at they cas at paradera. past owing to tell awe aruba is bay achieve know what color sony is. all is ask about, all is happen, they do not see nothing y much owing to come, they all is welcome, i have sit talk y bisanan they berdad, tell cos as is. my wanted for everybody know anything, sony is man of one word so. sony conoce otmar because; carnavalista for much year end y the know much good that the is. at feburary during carnaval, sony owing to tell otmar cu the is bay yude the eleccion here. mi is bay cu otmar all out. yesterday at 4 month we is vote. today at 4 month i am believe cu we can canta victoria y we will is satisfecho of can achieve one gobierno new cu is work for her country aki, was words of sony vrolijk. otmar oduber of his near owing to indica cu for all esnan of avp is one honor for ricibi catherine (mama), chinto (tata), sony, rudy y dwin kendenan is one sample of the cambio cu people of aruba is anhela. for come cu one cambio on the problemanan of inseguridad cu have at aruba, criminalidad cu is aumenta, ladronicia, posicion social of we hendenan cu coin do not arrive, same cu is the situation of we turism. refiriendo his self at sony otmar owing to tell cu the is one person cu together cu his family for much year owing to stay much loyal at the faction cu they owing to sostene in pasado y today did take the decision of change of direction mirando one country cu do not progresa, mirando one country cu have to of one cambio for of the form ey bring felicidad at all aruba. pesey pami today is more cu one honor y contento cu we is inicia the proceso here cu one child of paradera, one family of paradera cu cual some day happen we owing to celebra the boda berde of 55 year y today we is arise the flag here at inicio of paradera. here at paradera, same cu at all aruba are you feel one breath new is bezig is come on aruba, sperando here 4 month exactly we can celebra y tomorrow here 4 month we will is in the parada of victoria celebrando the victoria of aruba y of people aruban avp. benny sevinger of his near owing to tell cu for avp is one proud y placer for is present during the celebracion of hisamento of flag. mi is believe cu this is one message cu sony is send for people of aruba, mustrando cu cos is bad y hour cu cos is bad do you have cu send the message y contribui at same instant for fix this. by of join the team of otmar sony will bay contribui directo in the cambionan cu faction avp will bay haci in the proximo gobierno. sony vrolijk y his family now is form part of family of avp, the family of people of aruba cu diabierna now, 29 of half, will is celebrando aperture of they cas of faction at paradera, cuminsando for 6or of nightfall.

Rings a bell, hey?   

Just a little ringy dingy!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 :rendeer:   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi everyone!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 12:08:30 AM
NEW DOMESTIC FILINGS:   12/20/08  THRU  12/26/09   

36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
                 Agent:   ROBERT L. BROUSSARD  220 HEYMANN BLVD.  LAFAYETTE, LA  70503
               Member/Manager   JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
               Member/Manager   CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member  1409 HWY 356  SUNSET, LA  70584
               Member/Manager   MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70507


Hi, billb.....do have the link for this?  It's late for me.    ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/Corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt


Am I the only Natalee Holloway Monkey who is out of the loop in regards to the research encompassing all these filing posts which pertain to John Silvetti's interests?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



 
Janet...This filing has been posted about here on the forum several times I believe by Myself and again by Lifesong! It was maybe back in February.... I think!  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyCool::   

I found today, after asking billb for the link that it was already posted.  Guess that means that as involved I've been in these tidbits, I still do not retain everything.  That said, I would say that Janet's focus has been on other things, which is a good thing.  It's all good.  Thanks to all.


I guess I don't retain everything either, as I thought this was new...LOL..
Yes, we all focus on different things, and the discussions led me to look for links between kyle and silvetti. 
If nothing else, maybe my post stirs someone else to continue researching contracts/contacts that may produce another piece of the puzzle? Maybe not, but we try, and that's what counts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 12:10:20 AM
5/13/2009 Awe Mainta Page 32

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Papiamentu translation:

chinto y catharina vrolijk owing to celebra they boda of emerald

after owing to gradici god cu one sand sacrificio of catholic cu did take lugar diabierne ultimo at catholic santa filomena at paradera, diadomingo owing to organisa one berdadero party at turibana. all this for conmemora the mature cu generoso (chinto) vrolijk y catharina vrolijk-britten 55 year happen owing to enter in the boat matrimonial. of the form here owing to celebra they boda of emerald. as chinto y catharina owing to give of conoce, cu good god owing to calling they for live in estado matrimonial 55 year happen. thanks for owing to haci they matrimonio feliz. thanks for owing to let always the love among they stay always fervoroso y solido. thanks for owing to haci they love so strong, cu durnate the 55 year here felicidad of another was always dispuesto at pordona y forget miss y debilidadnan of another. this te xito of they matrimonio. once more, recibi we felicitacion of awemainta ne pareha here, ehempel for much.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 12:13:19 AM
5/27/2009 Awe Mainta Page 4

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

sony vrolijk ex leader of district of mep owing to lever flag of avp past owing to uni his self at the team cu of berdad have the vision y love for we people

yesterday tardi at home of sony vrolijk at shiribana, everybody can owing to see the flag berde of avp bay air. in one ambiente festivo sony vrolijk y all his family owing to ricibi otmar oduber, benny sevinger y one are big of sostenedornan of the faction berde for so arise for previous to trip at his cas the flag of avp. dirigiendo his self at esnan present, past owing to calling everybody welcome at name of his father y mother at they cas at paradera. past owing to tell awe aruba is bay achieve know what color sony is. all is ask about, all is happen, they do not see nothing y much owing to come, they all is welcome, i have sit talk y bisanan they berdad, tell cos as is. my wanted for everybody know anything, sony is man of one word so. sony conoce otmar because; carnavalista for much year end y the know much good that the is. at feburary during carnaval, sony owing to tell otmar cu the is bay yude the eleccion here. mi is bay cu otmar all out. yesterday at 4 month we is vote. today at 4 month i am believe cu we can canta victoria y we will is satisfecho of can achieve one gobierno new cu is work for her country aki, was words of sony vrolijk. otmar oduber of his near owing to indica cu for all esnan of avp is one honor for ricibi catherine (mama), chinto (tata), sony, rudy y dwin kendenan is one sample of the cambio cu people of aruba is anhela. for come cu one cambio on the problemanan of inseguridad cu have at aruba, criminalidad cu is aumenta, ladronicia, posicion social of we hendenan cu coin do not arrive, same cu is the situation of we turism. refiriendo his self at sony otmar owing to tell cu the is one person cu together cu his family for much year owing to stay much loyal at the faction cu they owing to sostene in pasado y today did take the decision of change of direction mirando one country cu do not progresa, mirando one country cu have to of one cambio for of the form ey bring felicidad at all aruba. pesey pami today is more cu one honor y contento cu we is inicia the proceso here cu one child of paradera, one family of paradera cu cual some day happen we owing to celebra the boda berde of 55 year y today we is arise the flag here at inicio of paradera. here at paradera, same cu at all aruba are you feel one breath new is bezig is come on aruba, sperando here 4 month exactly we can celebra y tomorrow here 4 month we will is in the parada of victoria celebrando the victoria of aruba y of people aruban avp. benny sevinger of his near owing to tell cu for avp is one proud y placer for is present during the celebracion of hisamento of flag. mi is believe cu this is one message cu sony is send for people of aruba, mustrando cu cos is bad y hour cu cos is bad do you have cu send the message y contribui at same instant for fix this. by of join the team of otmar sony will bay contribui directo in the cambionan cu faction avp will bay haci in the proximo gobierno. sony vrolijk y his family now is form part of family of avp, the family of people of aruba cu diabierna now, 29 of half, will is celebrando aperture of they cas of faction at paradera, cuminsando for 6or of nightfall.

Rings a bell, hey?   

Just a little ringy dingy!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 :rendeer:   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi everyone!


Hi Helen Back!   :rendeer:    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 12:16:15 AM
NEW DOMESTIC FILINGS:   12/20/08  THRU  12/26/09   

36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
                 Agent:   ROBERT L. BROUSSARD  220 HEYMANN BLVD.  LAFAYETTE, LA  70503
               Member/Manager   JOHN D. SILVETTI, II, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
               Member/Manager   CONRAD J. DAIGLE, Member  1409 HWY 356  SUNSET, LA  70584
               Member/Manager   MARIANNE P. SILVETTI-VOORHIES, Member  205 LINDA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70507


Hi, billb.....do have the link for this?  It's late for me.    ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/Corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt


Am I the only Natalee Holloway Monkey who is out of the loop in regards to the research encompassing all these filing posts which pertain to John Silvetti's interests?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Janet...This filing has been posted about here on the forum several times I believe by Myself and again by Lifesong! It was maybe back in February.... I think!  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyCool::   

I found today, after asking billb for the link that it was already posted.  Guess that means that as involved I've been in these tidbits, I still do not retain everything.  That said, I would say that Janet's focus has been on other things, which is a good thing.  It's all good.  Thanks to all.


I guess I don't retain everything either, as I thought this was new...LOL..
Yes, we all focus on different things, and the discussions led me to look for links between kyle and silvetti. 
If nothing else, maybe my post stirs someone else to continue researching contracts/contacts that may produce another piece of the puzzle? Maybe not, but we try, and that's what counts.


That's right billb!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 12:22:18 AM
Hi TM.
Hope you are staying away from the thunderstorms!
My Dad is in the Dallas area, and he had a scare with lightning strikes a couple weeks back.....
Knocked out TV, internet, fuse box...scared the heck out of him and the dogs....but all is well now...
That's why I live in earthquake country.....thunderstorms and lightning scare the heck out of me too.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 12:30:54 AM
Hi TM.
Hope you are staying away from the thunderstorms!
My Dad is in the Dallas area, and he had a scare with lightning strikes a couple weeks back.....
Knocked out TV, internet, fuse box...scared the heck out of him and the dogs....but all is well now...
That's why I live in earthquake country.....thunderstorms and lightning scare the heck out of me too.....

Hi billb! 
No storms today, yesterday's storms were intense at times; the wind and lightning caused some concern at times but all is well!  Yes, we had some damage from lightning too a few weeks ago.  My boys have learned to unplug their game systems after 2 very expensive systems were fried a few months ago.  I think I'd rather take my chances with the thunderstorms than feel the earth moving under my feet!

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

My dogs don't like the storms at all either! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 28, 2009, 12:36:30 AM

Aruba's PM angry at the Netherlands
Published: Wednesday 27 May 2009 19:19 UTC
Last updated: Wednesday 27 May 2009 19:19 UTC
Prime Minister Nel Oduber of Aruba is angry at a Dutch proposal that the calibre of governance on the Caribbean island should be subject to an inquiry. Formerly a Dutch colony, Aruba is an autonomous region of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Mr Oduber says: "The Netherlands distrusts us and that affects relations in a negative way".

Kingdom Relations Minister Ank Bijleveld argues there are worrying signs of corruption and misgovernment on Aruba. The police and justice authorities are singled out as potential problems and the Aruban parliament is also cause for concern. It is said that members' questions are often left unanswered and that there is sometimes no debate on political issues.

Mr Oduber says the allegations are the result of unsubstantiated rumours.   The criticism comes at a sensitive time as Aruba goes to the polls in September. The prime minister is worried that the opposition will be able to make political capital out of an inquiry.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6317835/Arubas-PM-angry-at-the-Netherlands


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 28, 2009, 12:40:15 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 28, 2009, 12:42:36 AM

Aruba's PM angry at the Netherlands
Published: Wednesday 27 May 2009 19:19 UTC
Last updated: Wednesday 27 May 2009 19:19 UTC
Prime Minister Nel Oduber of Aruba is angry at a Dutch proposal that the calibre of governance on the Caribbean island should be subject to an inquiry. Formerly a Dutch colony, Aruba is an autonomous region of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Mr Oduber says: "The Netherlands distrusts us and that affects relations in a negative way".

Kingdom Relations Minister Ank Bijleveld argues there are worrying signs of corruption and misgovernment on Aruba. The police and justice authorities are singled out as potential problems and the Aruban parliament is also cause for concern. It is said that members' questions are often left unanswered and that there is sometimes no debate on political issues.

Mr Oduber says the allegations are the result of unsubstantiated rumours.   The criticism comes at a sensitive time as Aruba goes to the polls in September. The prime minister is worried that the opposition will be able to make political capital out of an inquiry.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6317835/Arubas-PM-angry-at-the-Netherlands


So sad, too bad..... ::MonkeyHaHa::   fubaruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 12:43:49 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 12:44:35 AM

Aruba's PM angry at the Netherlands
Published: Wednesday 27 May 2009 19:19 UTC
Last updated: Wednesday 27 May 2009 19:19 UTC
Prime Minister Nel Oduber of Aruba is angry at a Dutch proposal that the calibre of governance on the Caribbean island should be subject to an inquiry. Formerly a Dutch colony, Aruba is an autonomous region of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Mr Oduber says: "The Netherlands distrusts us and that affects relations in a negative way".

Kingdom Relations Minister Ank Bijleveld argues there are worrying signs of corruption and misgovernment on Aruba. The police and justice authorities are singled out as potential problems and the Aruban parliament is also cause for concern. It is said that members' questions are often left unanswered and that there is sometimes no debate on political issues.

Mr Oduber says the allegations are the result of unsubstantiated rumours.   The criticism comes at a sensitive time as Aruba goes to the polls in September. The prime minister is worried that the opposition will be able to make political capital out of an inquiry.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6317835/Arubas-PM-angry-at-the-Netherlands


 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 12:47:21 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope the storms don't come your way...maybe you'll just get some good rain!   ::MonkeyWink::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2009, 12:48:01 AM
Haven't heard much from Rudy Croes lately either!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 12:48:59 AM
Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 12:49:31 AM
Haven't heard much from Rudy Croes lately either!!

He's skeered too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 12:50:58 AM
Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:00:14 AM
BillB's back after watching the highlights again.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 01:01:57 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::
3- 2 Lakers.....in 6! ::MonkeyDance::
Don't tell 2NJ...... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2009, 01:04:44 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::
3- 2 Lakers.....in 6! ::MonkeyDance::
Don't tell 2NJ...... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm torn ...... hate Kobe and the Lakers..... really despise the "Thuggets"! Rooting for "King James"  -- but not enough around him!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:08:55 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::
3- 2 Lakers.....in 6! ::MonkeyDance::
Don't tell 2NJ...... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm torn ...... hate Kobe and the Lakers..... really despise the "Thuggets"! Rooting for "King James"  -- but not enough around him!

My last post on b-ball 2nj... ::MonkeyWink:: I must say the playoffs have not been to fun to watch in general!I feel the officiating in general has been atrocious to all teams involved.Let the players play and decide the game...Back to Justice For Natalee Holloway.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:11:07 AM
Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:12:53 AM
Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm lookin'!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2009, 01:13:53 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::
3- 2 Lakers.....in 6! ::MonkeyDance::
Don't tell 2NJ...... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm torn ...... hate Kobe and the Lakers..... really despise the "Thuggets"! Rooting for "King James"  -- but not enough around him!

My last post on b-ball 2nj... ::MonkeyWink:: I must say the playoffs have not been to fun to watch in general!I feel the officiating in general has been atrocious to all teams involved.Let the players play and decide the game...Back to Justice For Natalee Holloway.. ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
[/pre]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 01:14:31 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::
3- 2 Lakers.....in 6! ::MonkeyDance::
Don't tell 2NJ...... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm torn ...... hate Kobe and the Lakers..... really despise the "Thuggets"! Rooting for "King James"  -- but not enough around him!
I hope Labron's time comes......Most deserving...
Always been a Lakers fan


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 28, 2009, 01:14:44 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 28, 2009, 01:19:04 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::
3- 2 Lakers.....in 6! ::MonkeyDance::
Don't tell 2NJ...... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm torn ...... hate Kobe and the Lakers..... really despise the "Thuggets"! Rooting for "King James"  -- but not enough around him!

My last post on b-ball 2nj... ::MonkeyWink:: I must say the playoffs have not been to fun to watch in general!I feel the officiating in general has been atrocious to all teams involved.Let the players play and decide the game...Back to Justice For Natalee Holloway.. ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
[/pre]

Hey Wreck,

Have you been to see "Angels and Demons"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Goodnight all!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 01:19:54 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::
3- 2 Lakers.....in 6! ::MonkeyDance::
Don't tell 2NJ...... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm torn ...... hate Kobe and the Lakers..... really despise the "Thuggets"! Rooting for "King James"  -- but not enough around him!

My last post on b-ball 2nj... ::MonkeyWink:: I must say the playoffs have not been to fun to watch in general!I feel the officiating in general has been atrocious to all teams involved.Let the players play and decide the game...Back to Justice For Natalee Holloway.. ::MonkeyAngel::
I hoping for something 'big' to break this weekend for Justice for Natalee.....
But I am also resigned to the long term where it just might take a long time, breaking down piece by piece to get justice for Natalee...
Long term works for me......payback can be hell aruba.....
Suck on THAT, aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:20:39 AM
Good night Helen Back!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm lookin'!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

If anyone can find it TM can! ::MonkeyWink:: It really is sickening to think CapsLockGizzard & Family are friends with all involved in the cover-up of Natalee Holloway's rape and murder!Then to create a Hoax such as the pond search is beyond EVIL.To think that Americans still believe Gizzard's is astounding.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:22:59 AM
Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     ::MonkeyWaa::

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.     ::MonkeyTongue::  )

Justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Keep smiling BillB! ::cartwheel::
3- 2 Lakers.....in 6! ::MonkeyDance::
Don't tell 2NJ...... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm torn ...... hate Kobe and the Lakers..... really despise the "Thuggets"! Rooting for "King James"  -- but not enough around him!

My last post on b-ball 2nj... ::MonkeyWink:: I must say the playoffs have not been to fun to watch in general!I feel the officiating in general has been atrocious to all teams involved.Let the players play and decide the game...Back to Justice For Natalee Holloway.. ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
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Hey Wreck,

Have you been to see "Angels and Demons"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Goodnight all!



Touche Helen Back... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:24:41 AM
Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm lookin'!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

If anyone can find it TM can! ::MonkeyWink:: It really is sickening to think CapsLockGizzard & Family are friends with all involved in the cover-up of Natalee Holloway's rape and murder!Then to create a Hoax such as the pond search is beyond EVIL.To think that Americans still believe Gizzard's is astounding.... ::MonkeyCool::

Sooner or later those P.O.S will have there day...If i don't see it in my lifetime,i'm sure i'll hear about it as i meet the maker at the Pearly-Gates.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:25:41 AM
Three words for ya BillB.....Close em out! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:26:38 AM
Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm lookin'!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::
If anyone can find it TM can! ::MonkeyWink:: It really is sickening to think CapsLockGizzard & Family are friends with all involved in the cover-up of Natalee Holloway's rape and murder!Then to create a Hoax such as the pond search is beyond EVIL.To think that Americans still believe Gizzard's is astounding.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:28:58 AM
texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:30:31 AM
Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm lookin'!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

If anyone can find it TM can! ::MonkeyWink:: It really is sickening to think CapsLockGizzard & Family are friends with all involved in the cover-up of Natalee Holloway's rape and murder!Then to create a Hoax such as the pond search is beyond EVIL.To think that Americans still believe Gizzard's is astounding.... ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

Fixed the quote stack!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:31:44 AM
texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Whatta ya talkin bout TM...You're busy stackin! ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 01:33:20 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


Anna....I agree in no direct contract tying things up neatly.....won't happen.
But patterns of people (J. S.. Louis S, kyle, Tim T. and aruba/ahata reps) may emerge that can provide circumstantial evidence showing wrongdoing implying payoff for persistence involvement in cover up wrt cage recovery.
I so wish there is a way our FBI can make something out of the persistence search tying them to a cover up....whether fraud in funds solicitation, tax evasion, whatever...to get the principles under oath for discovery of cage contents that may bring us closer to Justice.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 01:36:42 AM
texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
2NJSons_Mom..It was Ktf...no..wreck....Oh heck.....MAYBE it was me? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:39:23 AM
texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
2NJSons_Mom..It was Ktf...no..wreck....Oh heck.....MAYBE it was me? ::MonkeyWink::

Ouch BillB..You need to be more careful backing the bus up!You ran over my toe... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Next time you could really hurt me.Maybe even throw me under the bus if your not careful... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 01:41:56 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


Anna....I agree in no direct contract tying things up neatly.....won't happen.
But patterns of people (J. S.. Louis S, kyle, Tim T. and aruba/ahata reps) may emerge that can provide circumstantial evidence showing wrongdoing implying payoff for persistence involvement in cover up wrt cage recovery.
I so wish there is a way our FBI can make something out of the persistence search tying them to a cover up....whether fraud in funds solicitation, tax evasion, whatever...to get the principles under oath for discovery of cage contents that may bring us closer to Justice.......

This may be way outta left field but i'll throw it out there.No pun intended.If enough circumstantial evidence was uncovered that could show the intentions of The persistence,as well as the crew were less then honorable in regards to finding Natalee Holloway would Beth,and or Dave have grounds for a civil lawsuit in an American court??Just a thought..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:44:15 AM
texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Whatta ya talkin bout TM...You're busy stackin! ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

tattletale!    ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:48:10 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust!  ::MonkeyWink::

You're right Hotping...you never know what little piece of information will lead to something big!

KEEP DIGGING!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Great story, thanks for sharing!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 01:48:51 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


Anna....I agree in no direct contract tying things up neatly.....won't happen.
But patterns of people (J. S.. Louis S, kyle, Tim T. and aruba/ahata reps) may emerge that can provide circumstantial evidence showing wrongdoing implying payoff for persistence involvement in cover up wrt cage recovery.
I so wish there is a way our FBI can make something out of the persistence search tying them to a cover up....whether fraud in funds solicitation, tax evasion, whatever...to get the principles under oath for discovery of cage contents that may bring us closer to Justice.......

This may be way outta left field but i'll throw it out there.No pun intended.If enough circumstantial evidence was uncovered that could show the intentions of The persistence,as well as the crew were less then honorable in regards to finding Natalee Holloway would Beth,and or Dave have grounds for a civil lawsuit in an American court??Just a thought..
Could Be KTF and what about all the people who donated to the search who were duped..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 28, 2009, 01:49:06 AM
Hotping,

Yes, I am praying for that miracle and also think that if it can be done, you guys are the ones to do it.  I am just amazed at your skills in finding these obscure filings and all the information on what is happening in that region as far as oil exploration.

And I do believe something of the sort for which you are looking does exist.  So do hang in there and keep looking for there just may well be evidence to be found.  Just the fact that there is so much activity and even more planned in the region says it all for me.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 01:55:24 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust!  ::MonkeyWink::
That is why we are here....Each little bit COUNTS for something...whether directly or indirectly....each effort moves the process along.
Thanks Hotping!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 01:55:27 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust!  ::MonkeyWink::

You're right Hotping...you never know what little piece of information will lead to something big!

KEEP DIGGING!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Great story, thanks for sharing!   ::MonkeyCool::
You're Welcome TM! That's just one of a few adoption related searches that have turned into miracles I also found My Husbands birthfamilies....My husband grew up as an only child and in Nov 2001 We found that He had 5 half brothers and 3 half sisters and now We know all of His medical history and  roots.....Not to mention  Great Relationships with them all.....  ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 28, 2009, 01:56:14 AM
If any of us knew any more to do, I do believe we would surely do it.

So we do the best we can and hope and pray and continue to support and sustain this family in their loss.  I will stand with Beth as long as she needs us to do that.  Just wish there was more I could do at times.

Goodnite, all.  And stay safe to those in the storms tonight.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 01:57:47 AM
Hotping,

Yes, I am praying for that miracle and also think that if it can be done, you guys are the ones to do it.  I am just amazed at your skills in finding these obscure filings and all the information on what is happening in that region as far as oil exploration.

And I do believe something of the sort for which you are looking does exist.  So do hang in there and keep looking for there just may well be evidence to be found.  Just the fact that there is so much activity and even more planned in the region says it all for me.


  ::MonkeyDance:: We can Do It!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 01:57:58 AM
Goodnight Anna..God Bless!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:58:19 AM
HT Kermit

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 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 01:59:16 AM
If any of us knew any more to do, I do believe we would surely do it.

So we do the best we can and hope and pray and continue to support and sustain this family in their loss.  I will stand with Beth as long as she needs us to do that.  Just wish there was more I could do at times.

Goodnite, all.  And stay safe to those in the storms tonight.



Good night Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 01:59:20 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust!  ::MonkeyWink::
That is why we are here....Each little bit COUNTS for something...whether directly or indirectly....each effort moves the process along.
Thanks Hotping!
Bingo!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 02:01:21 AM
If any of us knew any more to do, I do believe we would surely do it.

So we do the best we can and hope and pray and continue to support and sustain this family in their loss.  I will stand with Beth as long as she needs us to do that.  Just wish there was more I could do at times.

Goodnite, all.  And stay safe to those in the storms tonight.


Good Night Anna! I know what You mean I wish that I could do more too....So I guess all We can do is the best that We can!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 02:03:06 AM
Good Night All!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 02:08:45 AM
Good night Dear Monkeys....
Sleep tight...for tomorrow just may be the day.....Justice for Natalee arrives!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Good night Dear Monkeys....
Sleep tight...for tomorrow just may be the day.....Justice for Natalee arrives!

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 02:14:45 AM
GoodNight HotPing & BillB... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 02:16:39 AM
Good Night All!   ::MonkeyCool::

Good night Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 02:19:54 AM
Someone from Aruba was doing a little research tonight.   

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscaredmonkeys.com%2F2008%2F01%2F19%2Faruba-sinks-to-new-low-think-this-isnt-slander-and-libel-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-claim-natalee-holloway-abused-by-stepfather-jug-twitty%2F

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/19/aruba-sinks-to-new-low-think-this-isnt-slander-and-libel-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-claim-natalee-holloway-abused-by-stepfather-jug-twitty/

hmmm...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/22/natalee-holloway-aruba-search-rave-cave-seach-june-2005-remember-the-search/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 02:28:21 AM
Someone from Aruba was doing a little research tonight.   

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscaredmonkeys.com%2F2008%2F01%2F19%2Faruba-sinks-to-new-low-think-this-isnt-slander-and-libel-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-claim-natalee-holloway-abused-by-stepfather-jug-twitty%2F

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/19/aruba-sinks-to-new-low-think-this-isnt-slander-and-libel-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-claim-natalee-holloway-abused-by-stepfather-jug-twitty/

hmmm...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/22/natalee-holloway-aruba-search-rave-cave-seach-june-2005-remember-the-search/


 ::MonkeyCool:: Isn't the first and won't be the last! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 02:32:20 AM
Someone from Aruba was doing a little research tonight.   

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscaredmonkeys.com%2F2008%2F01%2F19%2Faruba-sinks-to-new-low-think-this-isnt-slander-and-libel-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-claim-natalee-holloway-abused-by-stepfather-jug-twitty%2F

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/19/aruba-sinks-to-new-low-think-this-isnt-slander-and-libel-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-claim-natalee-holloway-abused-by-stepfather-jug-twitty/

hmmm...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/22/natalee-holloway-aruba-search-rave-cave-seach-june-2005-remember-the-search/


 
 ::MonkeyCool:: Isn't the first and won't be the last! ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 02:33:55 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 02:35:03 AM


Good night!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 02:38:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 28, 2009, 02:38:40 AM


Good night!   ::MonkeyCool::

gOODnIGHT TO ALLL... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: iris44 on May 28, 2009, 03:15:10 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


Anna....I agree in no direct contract tying things up neatly.....won't happen.
But patterns of people (J. S.. Louis S, kyle, Tim T. and aruba/ahata reps) may emerge that can provide circumstantial evidence showing wrongdoing implying payoff for persistence involvement in cover up wrt cage recovery.
I so wish there is a way our FBI can make something out of the persistence search tying them to a cover up....whether fraud in funds solicitation, tax evasion, whatever...to get the principles under oath for discovery of cage contents that may bring us closer to Justice.......

The main reason they set up separate corporations is for liability reasons.  So that if one corporation is sued, the assets of the other corporations are not at risk.  Very common practice.  If the corporations have audited financial statements, there are rules where they may need to issue consolidated statements (include some or all of the commonly owned corporations all in one financial statement).  There are some income tax reporting requirements, too.  Tax attorneys set these all up for the company owners.  The owners probably don't have much input on this. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2009, 09:12:41 AM
I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 


What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.


Anna....I agree in no direct contract tying things up neatly.....won't happen.
But patterns of people (J. S.. Louis S, kyle, Tim T. and aruba/ahata reps) may emerge that can provide circumstantial evidence showing wrongdoing implying payoff for persistence involvement in cover up wrt cage recovery.
I so wish there is a way our FBI can make something out of the persistence search tying them to a cover up....whether fraud in funds solicitation, tax evasion, whatever...to get the principles under oath for discovery of cage contents that may bring us closer to Justice.......

The main reason they set up separate corporations is for liability reasons.  So that if one corporation is sued, the assets of the other corporations are not at risk.  Very common practice.  If the corporations have audited financial statements, there are rules where they may need to issue consolidated statements (include some or all of the commonly owned corporations all in one financial statement).  There are some income tax reporting requirements, too.  Tax attorneys set these all up for the company owners.  The owners probably don't have much input on this. 
I agree that is common in Construction. In more recent years, I think we are seeing the use of "L.L.C's" (Limited Liability Corporations) being used in the same vein.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
When all is said and done ... I believe that John Silvetti' defence ... in affording the Aruban unchallenged custody to the contents of the trap ... will be that he did not fully comprehend the dynamics of the Aruba coverup and ... therefore naively trusted the members of the Aruban dive team ... naively trusted Richardson .... naively trusted Hans Mos.  I contend that John Silvetti's words will have a ring of credibility IF Tim Miller and Dave Holloway ... who were aware of the coverup dynamics and ... who were were motivators behind the Persistence endeavor ... did not insist in the planning stages that an invitation from Aruba was extended to the FBI was on file ... an invitation to observe any chain of custody if anything significant that could be case related were discovered.

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2009, 12:15:43 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229/230:
  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.

I sit and read the entire journal ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2009, 12:47:01 PM
Think about the following words of Kyle Kingman to the SM forum following the recovery dive of January 7, 2008.  There is something not right where you considering his words to the contrary which were submitted to the Natalee's Freebird forum a short time later.

Was Kyle appeasing John Silvetti in the following post ... appeasing John
Silvetti in an attempt to further his own self interests in regards to future career opportunities?  Is a stage being set to imply naivity on John Silvetti's part when he unknowingly participated in furthering the Aruban coverup.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM


Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help. They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning. Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332457;topicseen#msg332457


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2009, 12:48:29 PM
Back to my own little hidey hole.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 28, 2009, 02:50:22 PM
Bijleveld cancels
visit next week

THE HAGUE--Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten will not visit the Netherlands Antilles next week. Instead she will go to Curaao late June.

Bijleveld-Schouten said she would not be able to make it next week due to the elections for a new European Parliament on June 4. As State Secretary of Home Affairs she is responsible for organising elections in the Netherlands.

It is a quite a big deal to organise these elections which will take place with ballots and pencil, she told reporters Wednesday evening after a meeting with the Second Chamber. She said elections for a new European Parliament would also take place in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, which added an extra dimension.

Bijleveld-Schouten will be in Curaao for the meeting of the Political Steering Group on June 25. Some media had reported late last week that the State Secretary would be in Curaao later this week or early next week.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m009/cancelm009.html

 ::MonkeyShocked::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 28, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys!

I have great hopes in the Netherlands investigation into the corruption of Aruba regarding their pipeline.

I have a gut feeling that this may give us some answers to what we've been looking for - and also will go a long way in providing some substatiation to our assumptions that Silvetti/Schaefer et al were paid to look the other way with promises (contracts?) of things to come from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 04:25:42 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys!

I have great hopes in the Netherlands investigation into the corruption of Aruba regarding their pipeline.

I have a gut feeling that this may give us some answers to what we've been looking for - and also will go a long way in providing some substatiation to our assumptions that Silvetti/Schaefer et al were paid to look the other way with promises (contracts?) of things to come from Aruba.
All I can say is......  ::MonkeyWink::  ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2009, 05:07:26 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys!

I have great hopes in the Netherlands investigation into the corruption of Aruba regarding their pipeline.

I have a gut feeling that this may give us some answers to what we've been looking for - and also will go a long way in providing some substatiation to our assumptions that Silvetti/Schaefer et al were paid to look the other way with promises (contracts?) of things to come from Aruba.


Not me.

I have been there; done that too many times to get my hopes up.  There are often requests to the Dutch parliament to investigate wrongdoings encompassing the Aruban administration but ... it never happens.  Aruba can be assured that the Dutch will continue to appease ... not challenge ... as long as Aruban politicians are thisclose with Chavez/Venezuela ... as long as Dutch and Aruban as thisclose in matters encompassing corruption.

Think about it.

1.  Hollands appointment of Karin Janssen as prosecutor of the Natalee Holloway case produced what?

2.  The outcome of Hollands response to Natalee Holloways parents and stepparents to replace Karin Janssen and the Aruban investigative team was?

3.  Hollands investigation into the Natalee Holloway case in December, 2008 produced what?

4.  Hollands response to Hero Brinkmans call for an investigation into corruptoin in Aruba was?

5.  Hollands response to Rudy Croes call for an investigation into Jan vander Straaten and Paulus van der Sloots relationship and how it may have hindered justice for Natalee Holloway was?

+++++++

On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  The case has been totally mishandled.  I knew that early on that Croes and Janssen had butted heads about Janssen mishandling of the case.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: We're saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


On the Record w / Greta - November 9, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right and just so that the viewers, I understand what you're talking about, you got a letter in which it explained what the Arubans said to you that The Hague has been calling the shots, is that right, in the investigation?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Yes, they're saying, in the letter it states that the Aruban government has no authority to intervene in the investigation.

Now then why have we been running around on the island submitting written and verbal requests for help from the governor, from the minister of justice, the prime minister? I mean the list is endless, Greta.

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175101,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2009, 05:11:04 PM
Continued:

6.  Holland's appointment of Hans Mos produced what?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 05:18:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57241.php

Google translation:

Vice-president Tjeenk Willink talks with Prime Minister on cloudy relationship Netherlands


May 28, 2009, 15:44 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/28-aruba-voor_003.gif)

The Aruban State Hubert Maduro and vice-president Herman Tjeenk Willink this morning at the airport.

ORANGE CITY - The vice-president of the Council of State Herman Tjeenk Willink today in Aruba, where he inter alia with the Aruban Prime Minister talks about the relationship between the Netherlands and Aruba. This is again disrupted since State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) examination of the way the Aruban administration set.

Tjeenk Willink arrived this morning at the airport along with other councilors and the Antillean Advisory Council to work with the Aruban Advisory Council to discuss. The tripartite consultations at the year to enhance cooperation between the advisory bodies to evaluate and further strengthen. "Because each country has its traditions and we must prevent a pot wet. You can not a little of Aruba Netherlands, just as in the Netherlands you can make a great Aruba. You must take into account each other's traditions, in cooperation. And therefore it is necessary to contact and open to talk about problems. Without directly saying that the Netherlands is always good and what Aruba is always bad and vice versa. "

The Vice-President of the Council of State said a conversation with Prime Minister Oduber it. "I know him very long, from eighties now, and should like him so it's nice to meet him. But to hear what exactly is between the two countries and how we are a bit proper way to deal with each other. "He emphasized that the three advisory bodies are not affected. "We are all independent consultants. We have no party political interests, we do not have a candidate for election. So it is possible to use quite a lot knowledge about how the system works, there is some distance from and to an independent opinion on it. "

Tomorrow is Tjeenk Willink, together with other representatives of the three advisory bodies also visit Governor Fredis Refunjol. In addition, the Youth Parliament, a presentation and visits are planned to EPI and Arikok park.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 05:21:23 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57240.php

Google translation:

"Speed up decommissioning Antilles'

May 28, 2009, 15:41 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - "Nobody wants elections will still keep the Antilles," said Prime Minister of the Antilles Emily de Jongh-Elhage. Already in January 2010, a new Antillean government should be chosen. During a brief press conference this morning at Reina Beatrix airport said that they almost must be the dismantling of the Antilles. This is to prevent the population of the islands here to the ballot box would be. This has, inter alia, advice to the Council of State. Let them with political opponents at the table sit the process of decommissioning issues. They still have not yet want to talk. Tonight she speaks in Cas di Cultura during a fundraising Epilepsy Foundation of the political developments in the Dutch Antilles. Also Jane Figaroa-Semeleer, President of the Central Bank of Aruba act as guest speaker and will discuss the role of the Bank during the recession.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 05:25:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57236.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Remkes about Cayco

May 28, 2009, 15:32 (GMT -04:00)
 
DEN HAAG - Second Chamber Johan Remkes (VVD) is concerned about the activities that the Venezuelan developer Grupo Cayco develops Aruba.
 
The member of the permanent Kamercommissie Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs pointed out Wednesday during a General Discussion, which Cayco the Rifgebied in Otrobanda on Curaao would develop. "The Security Service of the Netherlands Antilles has apparently advised that on so should not," said Remkes. "But that has significant activities in Aruba. I assume that the Aruban Security Service also said something about. "

Remkes will of Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten Kingdom of know how that relates to each other.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 05:36:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57234.php

Google translation:

Businessman murder shocked St. Maarten

May 28, 2009, 15:27 (GMT -04:00)

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Field in the Men Front and Back Streets closed yesterday for two to three o'clock in the afternoon their doors. It was a silent protest against the murder of businessman Haresh 'Danny' Dayalani Tuesday.

Philipsburg - The murder of the Indian businessman Haresh 'Danny' Dayalani has a shock in the community of St. Maarten caused. Dayalani was Tuesday at his home in Cole Bay shot. He died before the hospital could be. Indian entrepreneurs were yesterday protesting the doors of their business close for an hour. Gezaghebber and local head of police Franklyn Richards called on the government for more policemen to the crime.

Retailers in the Front and Back Streets closed their business for two to three o'clock in the afternoon, by way of silent protest against the murder of the businessman. The protest will continue today and tomorrow, as members of the Indian Merchants Association (IMA) on both sides of the island closed their shops.

The IMA and the Comprehensive Business Association (CBA) held last night a well attended meeting. The discussions were intense and the government called "the cow by the horns to capture.
The organizations sent a letter today to gezaghebber which they advocate for financial aid in the fight against crime. "We call on the authorities to do something for the people of St. Maarten," said Vice President of the IMA, Damu Rawtani. The Board of CBA said there was discussion about the establishment of citizen groups to increase safety in neighborhoods.

"We invite tourists, but protect them. If we can not protect ourselves, how can we protect the tourists then? "Asked Rawtani wondered. The Board of the IMA had yesterday a meeting with Acting Chief of Police Ademar Doran. There was more talk of the neighborhoods where most attacks take place, whether there are links between the attacks and what weapons are used. Doran said that occurred would be harder and more visible patrols would take place. The lack of manpower in the police came to order. The IMA reiterated that the business was prepared to contribute to the fight against crime, for example, security available. Doran responded positively to this.

Gezaghebber Richards was an 'urgent appeal' to the government for more agents. "This senseless murder and the use of violence against innocent victims suggests that the criminals act with a disregard for the lives and safety of the population," said Richards. "The authorities in St. Maarten and the Kingdom must work in order to address the crime and eventually to stop."

The gezaghebber urges Minister of Justice David Dick to take as soon as possible to provide more manpower for the police of St. Maarten. It also urged the population to be alert: "The police force suffers from a structural underemployment. It would certainly help if the population was more alert. "The public should be vigilant and cooperate with the authorities to better combat crime, says Richards.

The police treat the murder of Dayalani and the attack on another Indian family night robberies. "There is no evidence that it was something else," said Chief Public Prosecutor Taco Stein. "We treat them as robberies," he said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2009, 05:43:38 PM
It appears that neither Johan Remkes or Ank Bijleveld were supportive of Rudy Croes' investigation into the Jan vander Straaten/ Paulus van der Sloot relationship and ... how this conflict of interest may have hindered the outcome in the Natalee Holloway case ... prevented justice from prevailing.  Why?
________

Probe into beginning phase Holloway-case
12-12-2008

The Aruban minister of justice Rudy Croes will start an independent study probe in the investigation at beginning stage of the Holloway-case. That has confirmed by the Minister Friday. The preparations have been already made.

Minister Croes accused last week the Dutch police force commissioner Jan van der Starten of seriously impeding the investigation at the beginning stages into American teenager in 2005. Van der Straten allegedly wanted to help his friend Paul van der Sloot with protecting his son Joran, who was suspected to have been involved with the disappearance of American girl.

State Secretary Ank Bijleveld (kingdom relations), who assumes the charge is not correct, said Thursday that she wanted an immediate probe into the charge of the Arubans minister. She finds it strange that the minister comes only now just with the accusation. The Netherlands is ready to help with the investigation if necessary. Croes says he is not starting the probe because of her demand. I do not need an instruction."

The PVV in vain insisted Thursday at the meeting of the Parliamentary Committee Antillian and Arubaanse Affairs (NAAZ) on that the Dutch Kingdom Federal Bureau of Internal Investigation examines the charges. The party stood alone with this proposal in the Second Chamber. VVD Johan Remkes explained why he voted against the motion: he does not consider the Aruban minister as the most reliable source of inspiration'.

Croes was also critical on the Dutch government. According to the minister it has been asked at the time to conceal as much as possibe that Joran is Dutchman. He had appear as much as possible as a Aruban. That had a Dutch minister Minister - I will not say who requested, according to Croes.

Bijleveld recognise this criticism. According to her the Netherlands has all possible ways has granted support to the investigation, which was conducted under the guidance of the ALE on Aruba.

PVV-motions

During the meeting of the commission NAAZ the PVV submitted three other motions, which were all defeated. PVV-spokesman Hero Brinkman wanted with the motions to prevent that the Netherlands would contribute to the debt cleansing on the Antilles or would only want to start with this before the general Court of Auditors had looked into this. Also the demand by Brinkman to hold a referundum about the Kingdom restructering in the Netherlands did not find a sympathetic ear in the Chamber.

A motion of SP-Member of Parliament Raak waa, however, adopted. In this he asks the Dutch government clear up what is the future of the special economic areas in other words, tax paradises, on the BES-islands. State Secretary Bijleveld comes in January with new tax laws for the islands. The SP is against tax advantages for companies, which do not contribute to the societ

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/kort-nieuws/car20081212_ANP-vdstraten-croes

Translation Credit:  caesu


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
Jen,
Just wanted to make sure you saw a couple posts from last night on this page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.1160

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2009, 07:27:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57234.php

Google translation:

Businessman murder shocked St. Maarten

May 28, 2009, 15:27 (GMT -04:00)

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Field in the Men Front and Back Streets closed yesterday for two to three o'clock in the afternoon their doors. It was a silent protest against the murder of businessman Haresh 'Danny' Dayalani Tuesday.

Philipsburg - The murder of the Indian businessman Haresh 'Danny' Dayalani has a shock in the community of St. Maarten caused. Dayalani was Tuesday at his home in Cole Bay shot. He died before the hospital could be. Indian entrepreneurs were yesterday protesting the doors of their business close for an hour. Gezaghebber and local head of police Franklyn Richards called on the government for more policemen to the crime.

Retailers in the Front and Back Streets closed their business for two to three o'clock in the afternoon, by way of silent protest against the murder of the businessman. The protest will continue today and tomorrow, as members of the Indian Merchants Association (IMA) on both sides of the island closed their shops.

The IMA and the Comprehensive Business Association (CBA) held last night a well attended meeting. The discussions were intense and the government called "the cow by the horns to capture.
The organizations sent a letter today to gezaghebber which they advocate for financial aid in the fight against crime. "We call on the authorities to do something for the people of St. Maarten," said Vice President of the IMA, Damu Rawtani. The Board of CBA said there was discussion about the establishment of citizen groups to increase safety in neighborhoods.

"We invite tourists, but protect them. If we can not protect ourselves, how can we protect the tourists then? "Asked Rawtani wondered. The Board of the IMA had yesterday a meeting with Acting Chief of Police Ademar Doran. There was more talk of the neighborhoods where most attacks take place, whether there are links between the attacks and what weapons are used. Doran said that occurred would be harder and more visible patrols would take place. The lack of manpower in the police came to order. The IMA reiterated that the business was prepared to contribute to the fight against crime, for example, security available. Doran responded positively to this.

Gezaghebber Richards was an 'urgent appeal' to the government for more agents. "This senseless murder and the use of violence against innocent victims suggests that the criminals act with a disregard for the lives and safety of the population," said Richards. "The authorities in St. Maarten and the Kingdom must work in order to address the crime and eventually to stop."

The gezaghebber urges Minister of Justice David Dick to take as soon as possible to provide more manpower for the police of St. Maarten. It also urged the population to be alert: "The police force suffers from a structural underemployment. It would certainly help if the population was more alert. "The public should be vigilant and cooperate with the authorities to better combat crime, says Richards.

The police treat the murder of Dayalani and the attack on another Indian family night robberies. "There is no evidence that it was something else," said Chief Public Prosecutor Taco Stein. "We treat them as robberies," he said.

This sounds familiar. I think, one or two years ago, a Dayalani was murdered in his store.  I think it was a money exchange store.  The son was an Aruban.  Not sure if it was St. Maarten.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 07:47:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57234.php

Google translation:

Businessman murder shocked St. Maarten

May 28, 2009, 15:27 (GMT -04:00)

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Field in the Men Front and Back Streets closed yesterday for two to three o'clock in the afternoon their doors. It was a silent protest against the murder of businessman Haresh 'Danny' Dayalani Tuesday.

Philipsburg - The murder of the Indian businessman Haresh 'Danny' Dayalani has a shock in the community of St. Maarten caused. Dayalani was Tuesday at his home in Cole Bay shot. He died before the hospital could be. Indian entrepreneurs were yesterday protesting the doors of their business close for an hour. Gezaghebber and local head of police Franklyn Richards called on the government for more policemen to the crime.

Retailers in the Front and Back Streets closed their business for two to three o'clock in the afternoon, by way of silent protest against the murder of the businessman. The protest will continue today and tomorrow, as members of the Indian Merchants Association (IMA) on both sides of the island closed their shops.

The IMA and the Comprehensive Business Association (CBA) held last night a well attended meeting. The discussions were intense and the government called "the cow by the horns to capture.
The organizations sent a letter today to gezaghebber which they advocate for financial aid in the fight against crime. "We call on the authorities to do something for the people of St. Maarten," said Vice President of the IMA, Damu Rawtani. The Board of CBA said there was discussion about the establishment of citizen groups to increase safety in neighborhoods.

"We invite tourists, but protect them. If we can not protect ourselves, how can we protect the tourists then? "Asked Rawtani wondered. The Board of the IMA had yesterday a meeting with Acting Chief of Police Ademar Doran. There was more talk of the neighborhoods where most attacks take place, whether there are links between the attacks and what weapons are used. Doran said that occurred would be harder and more visible patrols would take place. The lack of manpower in the police came to order. The IMA reiterated that the business was prepared to contribute to the fight against crime, for example, security available. Doran responded positively to this.

Gezaghebber Richards was an 'urgent appeal' to the government for more agents. "This senseless murder and the use of violence against innocent victims suggests that the criminals act with a disregard for the lives and safety of the population," said Richards. "The authorities in St. Maarten and the Kingdom must work in order to address the crime and eventually to stop."

The gezaghebber urges Minister of Justice David Dick to take as soon as possible to provide more manpower for the police of St. Maarten. It also urged the population to be alert: "The police force suffers from a structural underemployment. It would certainly help if the population was more alert. "The public should be vigilant and cooperate with the authorities to better combat crime, says Richards.

The police treat the murder of Dayalani and the attack on another Indian family night robberies. "There is no evidence that it was something else," said Chief Public Prosecutor Taco Stein. "We treat them as robberies," he said.

This sounds familiar. I think, one or two years ago, a Dayalani was murdered in his store.  I think it was a money exchange store.  The son was an Aruban.  Not sure if it was St. Maarten.

The name seemed familiar to me too Buckeye!  I can't find from where...but it did seem familiar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
THE PLAN

KYLE KINGMANS OWN WORDS - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS

 
Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.


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Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2009, 09:05:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57241.php

Google translation:

Vice-president Tjeenk Willink talks with Prime Minister on cloudy relationship Netherlands


May 28, 2009, 15:44 (GMT -04:00)

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The Aruban State Hubert Maduro and vice-president Herman Tjeenk Willink this morning at the airport.

ORANGE CITY - The vice-president of the Council of State Herman Tjeenk Willink today in Aruba, where he inter alia with the Aruban Prime Minister talks about the relationship between the Netherlands and Aruba. This is again disrupted since State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) examination of the way the Aruban administration set.

Tjeenk Willink arrived this morning at the airport along with other councilors and the Antillean Advisory Council to work with the Aruban Advisory Council to discuss. The tripartite consultations at the year to enhance cooperation between the advisory bodies to evaluate and further strengthen. "Because each country has its traditions and we must prevent a pot wet. You can not a little of Aruba Netherlands, just as in the Netherlands you can make a great Aruba. You must take into account each other's traditions, in cooperation. And therefore it is necessary to contact and open to talk about problems. Without directly saying that the Netherlands is always good and what Aruba is always bad and vice versa. "

The Vice-President of the Council of State said a conversation with Prime Minister Oduber it. "I know him very long, from eighties now, and should like him so it's nice to meet him. But to hear what exactly is between the two countries and how we are a bit proper way to deal with each other. "He emphasized that the three advisory bodies are not affected. "We are all independent consultants. We have no party political interests, we do not have a candidate for election. So it is possible to use quite a lot knowledge about how the system works, there is some distance from and to an independent opinion on it. "

Tomorrow is Tjeenk Willink, together with other representatives of the three advisory bodies also visit Governor Fredis Refunjol. In addition, the Youth Parliament, a presentation and visits are planned to EPI and Arikok park.

Hopefully they have been spending some time cleaning up from the vandalism!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

5/20/2009 Diario

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news2.html

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Papiamento translation:

menazanan earnest again let atrs on edificio of parke nacional

oranjestad(aan):polis once more owing to worde send in direccion of parke nacional arikok because vandalistanan owing to go back lever the territory y the trip here let menazanan earnest on one edificio new. daily paper owing to arrive eynan y come across cu the director of the parke that owing to splica cu this is of tantisimo trip cu type of menazanan so is biniendo in they direccion. at more cu one ocasin owing to achieve molotov cocktail throw in the parke y also owing to achieve one of they edificio all dirt. all trip police owing to worde calling. the first trip casi owing to place hand on the are here but they're sconde for so try enter the territory of the parke y comete they actonan. they intencion is for burn elugar y the trip here till even is menaza of burn the lugar cu person inside. owing to arrive hour for autoridad cuminsa actua duro on the caso here first cu one joya of proyecto cu is costando miyones bay perdi. the trahadornan is trahando bao of one tension big y cu much angry at self instant because here the are of person cu mind putrefy here is hungando cu they bread. esnan of parke is dispuesto for sit cu the are cu wanted cause damage at the parke for so hear kico is they problem. at self can soluciona the problem here. if all cos is good morning 3 of june will have one aperture in oficial of the parke. come across


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Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 11:46:15 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys!

I have great hopes in the Netherlands investigation into the corruption of Aruba regarding their pipeline.

I have a gut feeling that this may give us some answers to what we've been looking for - and also will go a long way in providing some substatiation to our assumptions that Silvetti/Schaefer et al were paid to look the other way with promises (contracts?) of things to come from Aruba.
I'm feeling it too! High hopes...The glass is half full...not half empty... ::MonkeyCool::

See, I don't care how many times my hopes may be dashed....as long as I'm pluging ahead.....I'll have high hopes for Justice for Natalee.....
It's a house of cards......


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Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 11:47:46 PM
Lookie there....1st poster on page 64! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 28, 2009, 11:54:13 PM
I firmly believe if the folks involved with the persistence fund raising/search effort/cover up... get in front of a grand jury.....the house of cards will start to tumble.....
What's cool about that....is the US/FBI can be directly involved this time. Then the US/FBI would be the Dog...wagging the tail (aruba)....


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Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 11:55:21 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys!

I have great hopes in the Netherlands investigation into the corruption of Aruba regarding their pipeline.

I have a gut feeling that this may give us some answers to what we've been looking for - and also will go a long way in providing some substatiation to our assumptions that Silvetti/Schaefer et al were paid to look the other way with promises (contracts?) of things to come from Aruba.
I'm feeling it too! High hopes...The glass is half full...not half empty... ::MonkeyCool::

See, I don't care how many times my hopes may be dashed....as long as I'm pluging ahead.....I'll have high hopes for Justice for Natalee.....
It's a house of cards......
I Agree billb....We have to have a positive attitude and We have to have HOPE!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 28, 2009, 11:56:17 PM
I firmly believe if the folks involved with the persistence fund raising/search effort/cover up... get in front of a grand jury.....the house of cards will start to tumble.....
What's cool about that....is the US/FBI can be directly involved this time. Then the US/FBI would be the Dog...wagging the tail (aruba)....

  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2009, 12:12:24 AM
I firmly believe if the folks involved with the persistence fund raising/search effort/cover up... get in front of a grand jury.....the house of cards will start to tumble.....
What's cool about that....is the US/FBI can be directly involved this time. Then the US/FBI would be the Dog...wagging the tail (aruba)....


WOOOF!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 29, 2009, 12:15:41 AM
I firmly believe if the folks involved with the persistence fund raising/search effort/cover up... get in front of a grand jury.....the house of cards will start to tumble.....
What's cool about that....is the US/FBI can be directly involved this time. Then the US/FBI would be the Dog...wagging the tail (aruba)....


WOOOF!!
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 29, 2009, 12:16:26 AM
Hi TM!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 12:21:16 AM
I recently bought Beth's book "Loving Natalee" in paperback.  She's added an epilogue at the end.


Pages 232-235

Epilogue

November 18, 2008

Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries was apparently just getting started when he discovered those astonishing facts about Natalees case discussed in the previous chapter.  His investigation concluded with a remarkable taped confession from Joran van der Sloot himself.  Perhaps you saw the ABC News 20/20 special in 2008 on The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, during which Jorans confession was broadcast.  Joran was videotaped as he told an undercover informant that he was with Natalee when she experienced some kind of seizure and might have died.  He said he didnt know what to do, so he decided to get rid of her body.  He confessed that he arranged for someone with a boat to dump her body at sea.

He said he wasnt sure if she was still alive or not.

But Natalee had never had a seizure.  Never in her whole life.

So with this confession, now I know what happened to her.

Natalee was never in a crack house.  She was never in that jeep.  She was never in that restaurant or that pizza parlor.  She was never in a brothel or hidden away on a cruise ship.  She was never in all those awful places we searched day in and day out for months, hoping to find her.

When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken.  She was escorted out of Carlos n Charlies by Joran and his friends and never seen again.  I believe she was given a date rape drug and overdosed, producing that seizure he tells about.  But well never have the opportunity to find out what actually happened, because Joran van der Sloot said he called someone to dispose of her body.  He didnt call for help for Natalee.  He didnt try to get medical attention.  He just got rid of her.

Even with this confession, the Aruban authorities will not take action against the judges son.  There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee.  They just dont do things like we do.  Their system isnt like ours.

Since 2005 Ive certainly learned a great deal about things I never wanted to learn.  Being a teacher, I found myself asking, What can I teach others from our tragic lessons? What can I do for others who have done so much for us?  Thats why Im still focused on the two goals I talk about in the Lessons chapter.  Talking to students about personal safety and travel safety is still my primary goal, and Im delighted that Ive had the opportunity to visit numerous high school and college campuses to deliver my message---Natalees message.  I want to continue these safety presentations as well as make my Travel Ed Workshop available to travelers of all ages.  The Travel Ed Workshop is a pre-departure preparation workshop.  For more about these presentations, please contact info@traveledworkshop.com.

A number of years have passed since Natalee disappeared and I understand now how grief changes colors over time.  It never goes away---just changes, softening ever so slightly.  Natalee would be very proud of her brother, Matt, who is fulfilling his dream of becoming a professional pilot.  The solo flights he has made to visit his grandmother in Arkansas seem to give him the greatest sense of accomplishment.  He is majoring in aviation and business and will finish college soon.  Ive gone back to teaching part time; having regained the capacity to meet the demands of my precious special needs preschoolers.  Mom and I still get together for family reunions at the lake.  The friends who stood by me are still standing by.  Sunny still helps me prepare for speaking engagements and travels with me around the country.  And on these trips I get to meet people who remember what our family endured---who remember Nataleeand their kind words of encouragement still give me great comfort.  Natalee would be a senior in college now, and I imagine she would be looking at medical schoolsand they would be looking at her.  She had such big plans.  I feel the saddest when I think about everything she missed out on.

I wanted to communicate in this book how hope evolved in three distinct phases to see us through our tragedy.  In the first phase, we had the hope to find Natalee.  That dissolved, ebbed, as those early days passed.  But hope reappeared in the second phase: the hope to find out what happened to her.  With Jorans taped confession I suppose we have that answer.  Finally, I guess you could say Im still living in the third, sustaining phase: the hope that I can do something to help others avoid getting into a tragic situation.  Natalee could have been anyone.  Maybe your son or daughter.  Maybe you.  Ill deliver Natalees story and message of personal safety for as long as Im able.  If even just one life is saved, then Ill know this mission was essential.  And if even just one young person thinks twice about his or her personal safety, then Ill know it was successful.

Peter de Vries won an international Emmy Award in 2008 for his undercover investigation that yielded Jorans confession.  Many speculate whether this will be the final work in Natalees case or not.

I still believe theres more.


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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 12:22:47 AM
Hi TM!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 29, 2009, 12:32:33 AM
I recently bought Beth's book "Loving Natalee" in paperback.  She's added an epilogue at the end.


Pages 232-235

Epilogue

November 18, 2008

Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries was apparently just getting started when he discovered those astonishing facts about Natalees case discussed in the previous chapter.  His investigation concluded with a remarkable taped confession from Joran van der Sloot himself.  Perhaps you saw the ABC News 20/20 special in 2008 on The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, during which Jorans confession was broadcast.  Joran was videotaped as he told an undercover informant that he was with Natalee when she experienced some kind of seizure and might have died.  He said he didnt know what to do, so he decided to get rid of her body.  He confessed that he arranged for someone with a boat to dump her body at sea.

He said he wasnt sure if she was still alive or not.

But Natalee had never had a seizure.  Never in her whole life.

So with this confession, now I know what happened to her.

Natalee was never in a crack house.  She was never in that jeep.  She was never in that restaurant or that pizza parlor.  She was never in a brothel or hidden away on a cruise ship.  She was never in all those awful places we searched day in and day out for months, hoping to find her.

When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken.  She was escorted out of Carlos n Charlies by Joran and his friends and never seen again.  I believe she was given a date rape drug and overdosed, producing that seizure he tells about.  But well never have the opportunity to find out what actually happened, because Joran van der Sloot said he called someone to dispose of her body.  He didnt call for help for Natalee.  He didnt try to get medical attention.  He just got rid of her.

Even with this confession, the Aruban authorities will not take action against the judges son.  There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee.  They just dont do things like we do.  Their system isnt like ours.

Since 2005 Ive certainly learned a great deal about things I never wanted to learn.  Being a teacher, I found myself asking, What can I teach others from our tragic lessons? What can I do for others who have done so much for us?  Thats why Im still focused on the two goals I talk about in the Lessons chapter.  Talking to students about personal safety and travel safety is still my primary goad, and Im delighted that Ive had the opportunity to visit numerous high school and college campuses to deliver my message---Natalees message.  I want to continue these safety presentations as well as make my Travel Ed Workshop available to travelers of all ages.  The Travel Ed Workshop is a pre-departure preparation workshop.  For more about these presentations, please contact info@traveledworkshop.com.

A number of years have passed since Natalee disappeared and I understand now how grief changes colors over time.  It never goes away---just changes, softening ever so slightly.  Natalee would be very proud of her brother, Matt, who is fulfilling his dream of becoming a professional pilot.  The solo flights he has made to visit his grandmother in Arkansas seem to give him the greatest sense of accomplishment.  He is majoring in aviation and business and will finish college soon.  Ive gone back to teaching part time; having regained the capacity to meet the demands of my precious special needs preschoolers.  Mom and I still get together for family reunions at the lake.  The friends who stood by me are still standing by.  Sunny still helps me prepare for speaking engagements and travels with me around the country.  And on these trips I get to meet people who remember what our family endured---who remember Nataleeand their kind words of encouragement still give me great comfort.  Natalee would be a senior in college now, and I imagine she would be looking at medical schoolsand they would be looking at her.  She had such big plans.  I feel the saddest when I think about everything she missed out on.

I wanted to communicate in this book how hope evolved in three distinct phases to see us through our tragedy.  In the first phase, we had the hope to find Natalee.  That dissolved, ebbed, as those early days passed.  But hope reappeared in the second phase: the hope to find out what happened to her.  With Jorans taped confession I suppose we have that answer.  Finally, I guess you could say Im still living in the third, sustaining phase: the hope that I can do something to help others avoid getting into a tragic situation.  Natalee could have been anyone.  Maybe your son or daughter.  Maybe you.  Ill deliver Natalees story and message of personal safety for as long as Im able.  If even just one life is saved, then Ill know this mission was essential.  And if even just one young person thinks twice about his or her personal safety, then Ill know it was successful.

Peter de Vries won an international Emmy Award in 2008 for his undercover investigation that yielded Jorans confession.  Many speculate whether this will be the final work in Natalees case or not.

I still believe theres more.

WOW...What a remarkable person!
Pretty much sums up why I'll be here for another 36 years!
Thank you Texasmom for your post!


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Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
As hard as I tried, as careful as I thought I was...and even with spell check...I already see that one got by!

Would a mod please make a correction in the paragraph with the link:

Talking to students about personal safety and travel safety is still my primary goad...s/b goal.

Thanks in advance.  I appreciate any other typos being corrected that you may find also!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Fixed....           ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 12:35:53 AM


Exactly billb!  And I'll be here with you!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 29, 2009, 12:38:56 AM


Exactly billb!  And I'll be here with you!   ::MonkeyCool::
Thank You TM.....I'll Be here too!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 12:46:46 AM


Exactly billb!  And I'll be here with you!   ::MonkeyCool::
Thank You TM.....I'll Be here too!  ::MonkeyCool::

You're welcome Hotping! (and billb!..forgot to add it earlier) ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 12:52:54 AM


Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 29, 2009, 12:56:03 AM


Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyWink::   YW.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 29, 2009, 01:03:53 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....
Not going anywhere aruba.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 01:09:08 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....
Not going anywhere aruba.....

Good Night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 01:23:50 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 29, 2009, 02:28:13 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!




::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 29, 2009, 02:29:03 AM
Your first on 64 BillB but,i'm first on 65...... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 29, 2009, 02:32:34 AM
I recently bought Beth's book "Loving Natalee" in paperback.  She's added an epilogue at the end.


Pages 232-235

Epilogue

November 18, 2008

Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries was apparently just getting started when he discovered those astonishing facts about Natalees case discussed in the previous chapter.  His investigation concluded with a remarkable taped confession from Joran van der Sloot himself.  Perhaps you saw the ABC News 20/20 special in 2008 on The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, during which Jorans confession was broadcast.  Joran was videotaped as he told an undercover informant that he was with Natalee when she experienced some kind of seizure and might have died.  He said he didnt know what to do, so he decided to get rid of her body.  He confessed that he arranged for someone with a boat to dump her body at sea.

He said he wasnt sure if she was still alive or not.

But Natalee had never had a seizure.  Never in her whole life.

So with this confession, now I know what happened to her.

Natalee was never in a crack house.  She was never in that jeep.  She was never in that restaurant or that pizza parlor.  She was never in a brothel or hidden away on a cruise ship.  She was never in all those awful places we searched day in and day out for months, hoping to find her.

When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken.  She was escorted out of Carlos n Charlies by Joran and his friends and never seen again.  I believe she was given a date rape drug and overdosed, producing that seizure he tells about.  But well never have the opportunity to find out what actually happened, because Joran van der Sloot said he called someone to dispose of her body.  He didnt call for help for Natalee.  He didnt try to get medical attention.  He just got rid of her.

Even with this confession, the Aruban authorities will not take action against the judges son.  There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee.  They just dont do things like we do.  Their system isnt like ours.

Since 2005 Ive certainly learned a great deal about things I never wanted to learn.  Being a teacher, I found myself asking, What can I teach others from our tragic lessons? What can I do for others who have done so much for us?  Thats why Im still focused on the two goals I talk about in the Lessons chapter.  Talking to students about personal safety and travel safety is still my primary goal, and Im delighted that Ive had the opportunity to visit numerous high school and college campuses to deliver my message---Natalees message.  I want to continue these safety presentations as well as make my Travel Ed Workshop available to travelers of all ages.  The Travel Ed Workshop is a pre-departure preparation workshop.  For more about these presentations, please contact info@traveledworkshop.com.

A number of years have passed since Natalee disappeared and I understand now how grief changes colors over time.  It never goes away---just changes, softening ever so slightly.  Natalee would be very proud of her brother, Matt, who is fulfilling his dream of becoming a professional pilot.  The solo flights he has made to visit his grandmother in Arkansas seem to give him the greatest sense of accomplishment.  He is majoring in aviation and business and will finish college soon.  Ive gone back to teaching part time; having regained the capacity to meet the demands of my precious special needs preschoolers.  Mom and I still get together for family reunions at the lake.  The friends who stood by me are still standing by.  Sunny still helps me prepare for speaking engagements and travels with me around the country.  And on these trips I get to meet people who remember what our family endured---who remember Nataleeand their kind words of encouragement still give me great comfort.  Natalee would be a senior in college now, and I imagine she would be looking at medical schoolsand they would be looking at her.  She had such big plans.  I feel the saddest when I think about everything she missed out on.

I wanted to communicate in this book how hope evolved in three distinct phases to see us through our tragedy.  In the first phase, we had the hope to find Natalee.  That dissolved, ebbed, as those early days passed.  But hope reappeared in the second phase: the hope to find out what happened to her.  With Jorans taped confession I suppose we have that answer.  Finally, I guess you could say Im still living in the third, sustaining phase: the hope that I can do something to help others avoid getting into a tragic situation.  Natalee could have been anyone.  Maybe your son or daughter.  Maybe you.  Ill deliver Natalees story and message of personal safety for as long as Im able.  If even just one life is saved, then Ill know this mission was essential.  And if even just one young person thinks twice about his or her personal safety, then Ill know it was successful.

Peter de Vries won an international Emmy Award in 2008 for his undercover investigation that yielded Jorans confession.  Many speculate whether this will be the final work in Natalees case or not.

I still believe theres more.


THANX TM If i live longer then Paulus and The Perps.I will help shovel the dirt FREE of charge....Just sayin. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 29, 2009, 02:33:44 AM
I firmly believe if the folks involved with the persistence fund raising/search effort/cover up... get in front of a grand jury.....the house of cards will start to tumble.....
What's cool about that....is the US/FBI can be directly involved this time. Then the US/FBI would be the Dog...wagging the tail (aruba)....


WOOOF!!

From the sounds of it Wreck it seems you'd fit right in at a Husky football game! ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 29, 2009, 02:37:32 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!




::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

                       
THE MONKEY'S WILL GO NOWHERE

UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED UP MONKEY STYLE

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GODBLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


                                   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: sharon on May 29, 2009, 06:29:10 AM
I recently bought Beth's book "Loving Natalee" in paperback.  She's added an epilogue at the end.


Pages 232-235

Epilogue

November 18, 2008

Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries was apparently just getting started when he discovered those astonishing facts about Natalees case discussed in the previous chapter.  His investigation concluded with a remarkable taped confession from Joran van der Sloot himself.  Perhaps you saw the ABC News 20/20 special in 2008 on The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, during which Jorans confession was broadcast.  Joran was videotaped as he told an undercover informant that he was with Natalee when she experienced some kind of seizure and might have died.  He said he didnt know what to do, so he decided to get rid of her body.  He confessed that he arranged for someone with a boat to dump her body at sea.

He said he wasnt sure if she was still alive or not.

But Natalee had never had a seizure.  Never in her whole life.

So with this confession, now I know what happened to her.

Natalee was never in a crack house.  She was never in that jeep.  She was never in that restaurant or that pizza parlor.  She was never in a brothel or hidden away on a cruise ship.  She was never in all those awful places we searched day in and day out for months, hoping to find her.

When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken.  She was escorted out of Carlos n Charlies by Joran and his friends and never seen again.  I believe she was given a date rape drug and overdosed, producing that seizure he tells about.  But well never have the opportunity to find out what actually happened, because Joran van der Sloot said he called someone to dispose of her body.  He didnt call for help for Natalee.  He didnt try to get medical attention.  He just got rid of her.

Even with this confession, the Aruban authorities will not take action against the judges son.  There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee.  They just dont do things like we do.  Their system isnt like ours.

Since 2005 Ive certainly learned a great deal about things I never wanted to learn.  Being a teacher, I found myself asking, What can I teach others from our tragic lessons? What can I do for others who have done so much for us?  Thats why Im still focused on the two goals I talk about in the Lessons chapter.  Talking to students about personal safety and travel safety is still my primary goal, and Im delighted that Ive had the opportunity to visit numerous high school and college campuses to deliver my message---Natalees message.  I want to continue these safety presentations as well as make my Travel Ed Workshop available to travelers of all ages.  The Travel Ed Workshop is a pre-departure preparation workshop.  For more about these presentations, please contact info@traveledworkshop.com.

A number of years have passed since Natalee disappeared and I understand now how grief changes colors over time.  It never goes away---just changes, softening ever so slightly.  Natalee would be very proud of her brother, Matt, who is fulfilling his dream of becoming a professional pilot.  The solo flights he has made to visit his grandmother in Arkansas seem to give him the greatest sense of accomplishment.  He is majoring in aviation and business and will finish college soon.  Ive gone back to teaching part time; having regained the capacity to meet the demands of my precious special needs preschoolers.  Mom and I still get together for family reunions at the lake.  The friends who stood by me are still standing by.  Sunny still helps me prepare for speaking engagements and travels with me around the country.  And on these trips I get to meet people who remember what our family endured---who remember Nataleeand their kind words of encouragement still give me great comfort.  Natalee would be a senior in college now, and I imagine she would be looking at medical schoolsand they would be looking at her.  She had such big plans.  I feel the saddest when I think about everything she missed out on.

I wanted to communicate in this book how hope evolved in three distinct phases to see us through our tragedy.  In the first phase, we had the hope to find Natalee.  That dissolved, ebbed, as those early days passed.  But hope reappeared in the second phase: the hope to find out what happened to her.  With Jorans taped confession I suppose we have that answer.  Finally, I guess you could say Im still living in the third, sustaining phase: the hope that I can do something to help others avoid getting into a tragic situation.  Natalee could have been anyone.  Maybe your son or daughter.  Maybe you.  Ill deliver Natalees story and message of personal safety for as long as Im able.  If even just one life is saved, then Ill know this mission was essential.  And if even just one young person thinks twice about his or her personal safety, then Ill know it was successful.

Peter de Vries won an international Emmy Award in 2008 for his undercover investigation that yielded Jorans confession.  Many speculate whether this will be the final work in Natalees case or not.

I still believe theres more.


Thanks, tm. Beth is a remarkable woman.

I don't see anything in the epilog asking us to give up. Or to stop questioning. I don't see anything in the epilog asking us to look elsewhere.

Quite the contrary.


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 29, 2009, 07:09:49 AM
TM

Thanks for posting the Epilogue.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: can on May 29, 2009, 07:47:44 AM
TM - thank you for taking the time to provide Beth's epilogue.

Good to hear Beth is again working with the children she so enjoys. 
Sounds like Peter DeVries is not giving up either.

Beth continues to offer hope in her words and actions even though her first hope four years ago was to have her Natalee home safe and sound.
Beth must see Natalee's promise in the faces of those little children she works with and in the hearts of those students she addresses on safe travel.

God bless you Beth.
 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 08:02:11 AM
I recently bought Beth's book "Loving Natalee" in paperback.  She's added an epilogue at the end.


Pages 232-235

Epilogue

November 18, 2008

Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries was apparently just getting started when he discovered those astonishing facts about Natalees case discussed in the previous chapter.  His investigation concluded with a remarkable taped confession from Joran van der Sloot himself.  Perhaps you saw the ABC News 20/20 special in 2008 on The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, during which Jorans confession was broadcast.  Joran was videotaped as he told an undercover informant that he was with Natalee when she experienced some kind of seizure and might have died.  He said he didnt know what to do, so he decided to get rid of her body.  He confessed that he arranged for someone with a boat to dump her body at sea.

He said he wasnt sure if she was still alive or not.

But Natalee had never had a seizure.  Never in her whole life.

So with this confession, now I know what happened to her.

Natalee was never in a crack house.  She was never in that jeep.  She was never in that restaurant or that pizza parlor.  She was never in a brothel or hidden away on a cruise ship.  She was never in all those awful places we searched day in and day out for months, hoping to find her.

When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken.  She was escorted out of Carlos n Charlies by Joran and his friends and never seen again.  I believe she was given a date rape drug and overdosed, producing that seizure he tells about.  But well never have the opportunity to find out what actually happened, because Joran van der Sloot said he called someone to dispose of her body.  He didnt call for help for Natalee.  He didnt try to get medical attention.  He just got rid of her.

Even with this confession, the Aruban authorities will not take action against the judges son.  There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee.  They just dont do things like we do.  Their system isnt like ours.

Since 2005 Ive certainly learned a great deal about things I never wanted to learn.  Being a teacher, I found myself asking, What can I teach others from our tragic lessons? What can I do for others who have done so much for us?  Thats why Im still focused on the two goals I talk about in the Lessons chapter.  Talking to students about personal safety and travel safety is still my primary goal, and Im delighted that Ive had the opportunity to visit numerous high school and college campuses to deliver my message---Natalees message.  I want to continue these safety presentations as well as make my Travel Ed Workshop available to travelers of all ages.  The Travel Ed Workshop is a pre-departure preparation workshop.  For more about these presentations, please contact info@traveledworkshop.com.

A number of years have passed since Natalee disappeared and I understand now how grief changes colors over time.  It never goes away---just changes, softening ever so slightly.  Natalee would be very proud of her brother, Matt, who is fulfilling his dream of becoming a professional pilot.  The solo flights he has made to visit his grandmother in Arkansas seem to give him the greatest sense of accomplishment.  He is majoring in aviation and business and will finish college soon.  Ive gone back to teaching part time; having regained the capacity to meet the demands of my precious special needs preschoolers.  Mom and I still get together for family reunions at the lake.  The friends who stood by me are still standing by.  Sunny still helps me prepare for speaking engagements and travels with me around the country.  And on these trips I get to meet people who remember what our family endured---who remember Nataleeand their kind words of encouragement still give me great comfort.  Natalee would be a senior in college now, and I imagine she would be looking at medical schoolsand they would be looking at her.  She had such big plans.  I feel the saddest when I think about everything she missed out on.

I wanted to communicate in this book how hope evolved in three distinct phases to see us through our tragedy.  In the first phase, we had the hope to find Natalee.  That dissolved, ebbed, as those early days passed.  But hope reappeared in the second phase: the hope to find out what happened to her.  With Jorans taped confession I suppose we have that answer.  Finally, I guess you could say Im still living in the third, sustaining phase: the hope that I can do something to help others avoid getting into a tragic situation.  Natalee could have been anyone.  Maybe your son or daughter.  Maybe you.  Ill deliver Natalees story and message of personal safety for as long as Im able.  If even just one life is saved, then Ill know this mission was essential.  And if even just one young person thinks twice about his or her personal safety, then Ill know it was successful.

Peter de Vries won an international Emmy Award in 2008 for his undercover investigation that yielded Jorans confession.  Many speculate whether this will be the final work in Natalees case or not.

I still believe theres more.


Thanks, tm. Beth is a remarkable woman.

I don't see anything in the epilog asking us to give up. Or to stop questioning. I don't see anything in the epilog asking us to look elsewhere.

Quite the contrary.


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones.


I agree Sharon!  Thanks, and good to see you!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 08:13:06 AM
You're welcome everyone! (forgive me for not naming everyone...afraid I'll leave someone out!)

Indeed Beth is a remarkable woman.  She is an inspiration to all of us.

Thank you Janet, for all of the posts of her words.  The constant reminders of why we're here.

God bless all of Natalee's loved ones today; and all of the monkeys that will stand by them and never give up seeking the truth and justice for Natalee.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 29, 2009, 08:14:09 AM
I recently bought Beth's book "Loving Natalee" in paperback.  She's added an epilogue at the end.


Pages 232-235

Epilogue

November 18, 2008

Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries was apparently just getting started when he discovered those astonishing facts about Natalees case discussed in the previous chapter.  His investigation concluded with a remarkable taped confession from Joran van der Sloot himself.  Perhaps you saw the ABC News 20/20 special in 2008 on The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, during which Jorans confession was broadcast.  Joran was videotaped as he told an undercover informant that he was with Natalee when she experienced some kind of seizure and might have died.  He said he didnt know what to do, so he decided to get rid of her body.  He confessed that he arranged for someone with a boat to dump her body at sea.

He said he wasnt sure if she was still alive or not.

But Natalee had never had a seizure.  Never in her whole life.

So with this confession, now I know what happened to her.

Natalee was never in a crack house.  She was never in that jeep.  She was never in that restaurant or that pizza parlor.  She was never in a brothel or hidden away on a cruise ship.  She was never in all those awful places we searched day in and day out for months, hoping to find her.

When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken.  She was escorted out of Carlos n Charlies by Joran and his friends and never seen again.  I believe she was given a date rape drug and overdosed, producing that seizure he tells about.  But well never have the opportunity to find out what actually happened, because Joran van der Sloot said he called someone to dispose of her body.  He didnt call for help for Natalee.  He didnt try to get medical attention.  He just got rid of her.

Even with this confession, the Aruban authorities will not take action against the judges son.  There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee.  They just dont do things like we do.  Their system isnt like ours.

Since 2005 Ive certainly learned a great deal about things I never wanted to learn.  Being a teacher, I found myself asking, What can I teach others from our tragic lessons? What can I do for others who have done so much for us?  Thats why Im still focused on the two goals I talk about in the Lessons chapter.  Talking to students about personal safety and travel safety is still my primary goal, and Im delighted that Ive had the opportunity to visit numerous high school and college campuses to deliver my message---Natalees message.  I want to continue these safety presentations as well as make my Travel Ed Workshop available to travelers of all ages.  The Travel Ed Workshop is a pre-departure preparation workshop.  For more about these presentations, please contact info@traveledworkshop.com.

A number of years have passed since Natalee disappeared and I understand now how grief changes colors over time.  It never goes away---just changes, softening ever so slightly.  Natalee would be very proud of her brother, Matt, who is fulfilling his dream of becoming a professional pilot.  The solo flights he has made to visit his grandmother in Arkansas seem to give him the greatest sense of accomplishment.  He is majoring in aviation and business and will finish college soon.  Ive gone back to teaching part time; having regained the capacity to meet the demands of my precious special needs preschoolers.  Mom and I still get together for family reunions at the lake.  The friends who stood by me are still standing by.  Sunny still helps me prepare for speaking engagements and travels with me around the country.  And on these trips I get to meet people who remember what our family endured---who remember Nataleeand their kind words of encouragement still give me great comfort.  Natalee would be a senior in college now, and I imagine she would be looking at medical schoolsand they would be looking at her.  She had such big plans.  I feel the saddest when I think about everything she missed out on.

I wanted to communicate in this book how hope evolved in three distinct phases to see us through our tragedy.  In the first phase, we had the hope to find Natalee.  That dissolved, ebbed, as those early days passed.  But hope reappeared in the second phase: the hope to find out what happened to her.  With Jorans taped confession I suppose we have that answer.  Finally, I guess you could say Im still living in the third, sustaining phase: the hope that I can do something to help others avoid getting into a tragic situation.  Natalee could have been anyone.  Maybe your son or daughter.  Maybe you.  Ill deliver Natalees story and message of personal safety for as long as Im able.  If even just one life is saved, then Ill know this mission was essential.  And if even just one young person thinks twice about his or her personal safety, then Ill know it was successful.

Peter de Vries won an international Emmy Award in 2008 for his undercover investigation that yielded Jorans confession.  Many speculate whether this will be the final work in Natalees case or not.

I still believe theres more.


Thanks TM for bringing this forward.  I have to agree with Sharon, Beth hasn't said it is over so I will continue to support her and most of all Natalee.  It ain't over til Beth says it is over and she hasn't said it is so onward we go and I hope Aruba has learned by now it will never go away until they return Natalee to her family and the U.S. AND prosecute the scumbags who did this to her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 29, 2009, 08:40:14 AM
Good afternoon Monkeys!

I have great hopes in the Netherlands investigation into the corruption of Aruba regarding their pipeline.

I have a gut feeling that this may give us some answers to what we've been looking for - and also will go a long way in providing some substatiation to our assumptions that Silvetti/Schaefer et al were paid to look the other way with promises (contracts?) of things to come from Aruba.


Not me.

I have been there; done that too many times to get my hopes up.  There are often requests to the Dutch parliament to investigate wrongdoings encompassing the Aruban administration but ... it never happens.  Aruba can be assured that the Dutch will continue to appease ... not challenge ... as long as Aruban politicians are thisclose with Chavez/Venezuela ... as long as Dutch and Aruban as thisclose in matters encompassing corruption.

Think about it.

1.  Hollands appointment of Karin Janssen as prosecutor of the Natalee Holloway case produced what?

2.  The outcome of Hollands response to Natalee Holloways parents and stepparents to replace Karin Janssen and the Aruban investigative team was?

3.  Hollands investigation into the Natalee Holloway case in December, 2008 produced what?

4.  Hollands response to Hero Brinkmans call for an investigation into corruptoin in Aruba was?

5.  Hollands response to Rudy Croes call for an investigation into Jan vander Straaten and Paulus van der Sloots relationship and how it may have hindered justice for Natalee Holloway was?

+++++++

snip


Janet,

Don't get me wrong.  In no way do I see Justice coming from the Netherlands for the perpetrators of the crimes against Natalee.

What I do see is this.

Follow the Daisy Chain.........

Netherlands is doing an investigation into the corruption on Aruba.  One item in particular they are looking into is the corrupt awarding of contracts for their upcoming pipeline.

The pipeline that Oduber talked about in 2008.

The Netherlands has the names of the companies who were awarded the contracts associated with it.

The Netherlands said those awards were corrupt.

Turn the page now to the oil/geophysical ship that went to Aruba in late 2007 to look for Natalee.

Jug - "Their main purpose is oil related" = per LEAK

John Silvetti, owner of the ship and a Geophysical mapping company turns his back on the find of a cage with something in it.

A cage that was found very close to where many people figured it would be.

A cage that was found in accordance with tips, cell phone pings, and a confession.

A cage that Silvetti booted everyone off his boat before the personnel dive on Jan 7, allowing only Aruban divers to do the job.

John Silvetti meets with AHATA/ATA for a "big donation".

AHATA/ATA - who would the person be that John could have met with to authorize a "big donation"?

Edison Breisen - Minister of Transportation and Tourism

Edison Breisen - in charge of the relocation/expansion of the Barcadero port and the FreeZone, and awarding said contract(s)

Edison Breisen - in charge of awarding the pipeline contract?
+++++

Just connect the dots Janet my dear.  It's what we do best.  ::MonkeyCool::


We need the names of those companies who were awarded the pipeline contracts.

The revelation of those names could very well flesh out and support the possible scenario I laid out above.

Someone has been hiring divers and rig operators for the Aruban area.  Paying relocation costs and all.

We need to find out who that someone (company) is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 29, 2009, 08:44:19 AM
Jen,
Just wanted to make sure you saw a couple posts from last night on this page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.1160

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Yes, thankies texasmom - I certainly did.

But my attempts at understanding papi leave a LOT to be desired.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What were they being honored for?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 29, 2009, 08:46:34 AM
Thank you Janet for bringing this forward.

It always helps to have a reminder that Natalee's Freebirds never strayed from the agreed upon path with Kyle.

We was the one who strayed.

Oh - and two Birdies with him.

Of course, we all had to resign from the group in order to put the plan in motion in a different fashion - to avoid litigation.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


THE PLAN

KYLE KINGMANS OWN WORDS - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS

 
Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 29, 2009, 08:48:26 AM
I firmly believe if the folks involved with the persistence fund raising/search effort/cover up... get in front of a grand jury.....the house of cards will start to tumble.....
What's cool about that....is the US/FBI can be directly involved this time. Then the US/FBI would be the Dog...wagging the tail (aruba)....


I believe it will start to tumble as well, billb.

What I wouldn't give to see this happen.

There would be no holds barred with the FBI in charge.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 29, 2009, 08:53:47 AM
Thank you so much for sharing this with us texasmom.

Beth is such a strong, inspiring woman - and I have learned a lot from her over these past 4 years.

Her efforts to keep other children and young adults safe are admirable and noble.

I will forever be in awe of her strength, courage and fortitude that have helped her get through her tragic loss, and unfathomable nightmare at the hands of Aruba.

I recently bought Beth's book "Loving Natalee" in paperback.  She's added an epilogue at the end.


Pages 232-235

Epilogue

November 18, 2008

Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries was apparently just getting started when he discovered those astonishing facts about Natalees case discussed in the previous chapter.  His investigation concluded with a remarkable taped confession from Joran van der Sloot himself.  Perhaps you saw the ABC News 20/20 special in 2008 on The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, during which Jorans confession was broadcast.  Joran was videotaped as he told an undercover informant that he was with Natalee when she experienced some kind of seizure and might have died.  He said he didnt know what to do, so he decided to get rid of her body.  He confessed that he arranged for someone with a boat to dump her body at sea.

He said he wasnt sure if she was still alive or not.

But Natalee had never had a seizure.  Never in her whole life.

So with this confession, now I know what happened to her.

Natalee was never in a crack house.  She was never in that jeep.  She was never in that restaurant or that pizza parlor.  She was never in a brothel or hidden away on a cruise ship.  She was never in all those awful places we searched day in and day out for months, hoping to find her.

When she was least able to defend herself, she was taken.  She was escorted out of Carlos n Charlies by Joran and his friends and never seen again.  I believe she was given a date rape drug and overdosed, producing that seizure he tells about.  But well never have the opportunity to find out what actually happened, because Joran van der Sloot said he called someone to dispose of her body.  He didnt call for help for Natalee.  He didnt try to get medical attention.  He just got rid of her.

Even with this confession, the Aruban authorities will not take action against the judges son.  There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee.  They just dont do things like we do.  Their system isnt like ours.

Since 2005 Ive certainly learned a great deal about things I never wanted to learn.  Being a teacher, I found myself asking, What can I teach others from our tragic lessons? What can I do for others who have done so much for us?  Thats why Im still focused on the two goals I talk about in the Lessons chapter.  Talking to students about personal safety and travel safety is still my primary goal, and Im delighted that Ive had the opportunity to visit numerous high school and college campuses to deliver my message---Natalees message.  I want to continue these safety presentations as well as make my Travel Ed Workshop available to travelers of all ages.  The Travel Ed Workshop is a pre-departure preparation workshop.  For more about these presentations, please contact info@traveledworkshop.com.

A number of years have passed since Natalee disappeared and I understand now how grief changes colors over time.  It never goes away---just changes, softening ever so slightly.  Natalee would be very proud of her brother, Matt, who is fulfilling his dream of becoming a professional pilot.  The solo flights he has made to visit his grandmother in Arkansas seem to give him the greatest sense of accomplishment.  He is majoring in aviation and business and will finish college soon.  Ive gone back to teaching part time; having regained the capacity to meet the demands of my precious special needs preschoolers.  Mom and I still get together for family reunions at the lake.  The friends who stood by me are still standing by.  Sunny still helps me prepare for speaking engagements and travels with me around the country.  And on these trips I get to meet people who remember what our family endured---who remember Nataleeand their kind words of encouragement still give me great comfort.  Natalee would be a senior in college now, and I imagine she would be looking at medical schoolsand they would be looking at her.  She had such big plans.  I feel the saddest when I think about everything she missed out on.

I wanted to communicate in this book how hope evolved in three distinct phases to see us through our tragedy.  In the first phase, we had the hope to find Natalee.  That dissolved, ebbed, as those early days passed.  But hope reappeared in the second phase: the hope to find out what happened to her.  With Jorans taped confession I suppose we have that answer.  Finally, I guess you could say Im still living in the third, sustaining phase: the hope that I can do something to help others avoid getting into a tragic situation.  Natalee could have been anyone.  Maybe your son or daughter.  Maybe you.  Ill deliver Natalees story and message of personal safety for as long as Im able.  If even just one life is saved, then Ill know this mission was essential.  And if even just one young person thinks twice about his or her personal safety, then Ill know it was successful.

Peter de Vries won an international Emmy Award in 2008 for his undercover investigation that yielded Jorans confession.  Many speculate whether this will be the final work in Natalees case or not.

I still believe theres more.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 29, 2009, 08:57:07 AM


Edit

Thank you Janet for bringing this forward.

It always helps to have a reminder that Natalee's Freebirds never strayed from the agreed upon path with Kyle.

He was the one who strayed.

Oh - and two Birdies with him.

Of course, we all had to resign from the group in order to put the plan in motion in a different fashion - to avoid litigation.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


THE PLAN

KYLE KINGMANS OWN WORDS - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS

 
Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Good morning monkeys! 


Members of the Second Chamber profiled Corruption attracts vermin,
says MP Hero Brinkman


THE HAGUE--Hero Brinkman, Member of the Second Chamber for the Party for Freedom PVV, is famous for his blunt remarks and many people on the islands would rather see him leave than come.

But behind the harsh words is a man who stands for a piece of fairness and integrity in government. He hates corruption and does not want the Dutch taxpayer to help fill the pockets of dishonest politicians on the islands. A corrupted government attracts vermin, he said.

A government that has integrity makes or breaks a constitutional state, said the 44-year-old Brinkman who admitted to being a tough cookie. But he says he does it with good intentions. I am a man of principles, but not inflexible. I can think pragmatic, he said.

Brinkman entered politics two years ago when he became a Member of Parliament for PVV, the right-wing party of Geert Wilders in March 2007. Before that, he was employed at the Amsterdam-Amstelland Police Force for 23 years.

Why did he get into active politics?

I saw the many mistakes that were being made in politics. I saw the big problems on the street in Amsterdam. I noticed the increase of Islam in society. Punishment for criminals was too low and the bad boys on the streets were not tackled.

Brinkman considered joining the party of the murdered Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn, but at that time, he was too busy with his studies and career. Later, he decided to get actively involved and when he was approached by PVV, he said yes. I want to actively contribute to tackling the problems of society. To do this, you have to get in the arena and not stand on the sideline.

Initially, another PVV Member of Parliament Teun van Dijk was appointed member of the Second Chambers Permanent Committee of Antillean and Aruban Affairs NAAZ. Van Dijk however had lived on the islands for 14 years, so the party decided to appoint a more objective person.

I had never been to the islands and I didnt have ties. You have to be as objective as possible. We are a highly critical party, he said.

Headache

From the time Brinkman joined NAAZ, he became a headache of many politicians, not only his colleagues in the Dutch Parliament, but especially those on the other side of the ocean. There has been trouble whenever he showed his face in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, accusing local politicians of being corrupt and calling the islands mafia islands.

During his first visit early last year, he caused shock waves with his report on corruption in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. During the last gathering of members of the three Parliaments in the Kingdom, also known as POK, he got involved in a shouting match in Aruba, and shortly after, was thrown out of the Dutch delegation.

This has not deterred Brinkman, who promised he would participate in the next POK meeting. The next time they are not throwing me out. The last time they did so, it was pure politics. If they hadnt thrown me out, POK would have failed. And guess what, POK failed anyway.

In his view, the half-yearly POK meetings are a waste of taxpayers money and should be discarded. I want the plug to be pulled out of POK.

Brinkman and PVV have one vision for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and that is independence. They are like a lump of lead around our neck. He said as long as the islands remained in the Kingdom, the islands would keep creating debts and the Netherlands would keep pulling out its wallet to pay off debts created by corrupted politicians.

It bothers Brinkman that behind the faade of beautiful houses and hotels, there is so much poverty on the islands. We want to cooperate to fight poverty, but then the money that we pay has to go to helping people and not to expensive cars for corrupt politicians. My first visit to the islands confirmed my view. The islands are beautiful, but politicians have a good life while many live in poverty. He stressed that PVV was not against the Dutch Government assisting in cases of disasters, such as hurricanes.

Big item

The constitutional position of the islands will be a big item in the next Dutch Parliamentary elections in May 2011, foresees Brinkman, who is convinced that most Dutch people are fed up with paying the bill.

The majority of the Dutch people see the islands as an expensive hobby. He said when PVV wins the next elections, all agreements with the Netherlands Antilles and the island territories about new constitutional relations would be reversed. The PVV may very well emerge as the largest party, because according to the latest polls, the party would muster more seats than the Christian Democratic Party CDA of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende.

Brinkman is not in favour of breaking all ties with the former colonies. The past has shown that this is not wise. It went wrong with the other former colonies (Suriname, Indonesia, and Dutch New Guinea, ed.) The relations went sour and we had to make a lot of effort to restore those relations, he said.

Brinkman would rather see a sort of cooperation agreement with the Netherlands when the islands go their own way, holding up their own pants as he puts it. Australia and New Zealand, for example, still have a relation with their former coloniser, Great Britain.

They share history and they give content to that in a positive way. I would like to see that for the Netherlands Antilles, because we share a piece of history. (Suzanne Koelega)

This was the second profile in a series of interviews with Members of the Dutch Second Chamber. Last week Member of Parliament Jan Schinkelshoek (CDA) was profiled.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m010/brinkm010.html

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 29, 2009, 10:20:29 AM
Good morning, Helen Back.  Thank you for that article.    ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2009, 10:43:28 AM
Good morning, Helen Back.  Thank you for that article.    ::MonkeyCool::



Good morning, 2NJ!  I appreciate when anyone is willing to call attention to the corruption that infests the police and judiciary in Aruba.  Here's hoping that critics of Nel Oduber and company continue to drag it into the spotlight.

Mafia Island.......you would have to be crazy to vacation there! ::MonkeyCool::

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 10:59:42 AM
I hope I am wrong but ... I suspect when all is said and done ... Holland will not genuinely investigate corruption in regards to the Aruban pipeline contracts and ... the implication is that related companies involved will not be revealed.  As with the Natalee Holloway case a genuine investigation will ... in all probability ... not only implicate those within the Aruban administration with wrongdoing ... it would also implicate those within factions of the Dutch administration who are one with with Aruban corruption.

My son's insightful Dutch American FIL follows the politics in his beloved homeland very closely.  He claims that history tells the entire story.  Voices from the conservative wing of the Dutch Parliament call for investigations into corruption in the Netherlands Antille time and time again but time and time again those voice are overruled ... not acted upon or ... an "investigation" turns out to be nothing but dog and pony show.

It appears that Aruba is secuire in the assurance that the Dutch will continue to appease ... not challenge ... as long as there are those within the Dutch/Aruban administrations are thisclose in matters encompassing corruption.

Also ... the relationship between Aruba and Chavez/Venezuela is an Ace in the the game of cards that Aruba holds over the Netherlands.

In Private Eye's words ... "The game has been fixed."

Think about it.

1.  What was the outcome of the Dutch investigation headed by Johan Remkes into the Natalee Holloway case in August, 2006?

2.  What happen to Dutch Member of Parliament for the PVV party Hero Brinkman's call for an inquiry into corruption within the Netherlands Antille?

3.  What happened to the requested inquiry into the Jan vander Straaten/Paulus van der Sloot conflict of interest that may have hindered justice for Natalee Holloway from the getgo?

Janet

++++++

Brinkman wants Parliamentary
inquiry into scope of corruption


http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l024/brinkman024.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 29, 2009, 11:03:13 AM
Good Morning, Monkeys!

I decided to post the following as it does apply in many ways.  After I stopped laughing, that is.





Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals
Published: 19 May 2009 16:31 | Changed: 20 May 2009 15:35
By our news desk
The Dutch justice ministry has announced it will close eight prisons and cut 1,200 jobs in the prison system. A decline in crime has left many cells empty.
News - Belgian judge frees thief because of crowded jails
During the 1990s the Netherlands faced a shortage of prison cells, but a decline in crime has since led to overcapacity in the prison system. The country now has capacity for 14,000 prisoners but only 12,000 detainees.

Deputy justice minister Nebahat Albayrak announced on Tuesday that eight prisons will be closed, resulting in the loss of 1,200 jobs. Natural redundancy and other measures should prevent any forced lay-offs, the minister said.

The overcapacity is a result of the declining crime rate, which the ministry's research department expects to continue for some time.

Belgian prisoners

Some reprieve might come from a deal with Belgium, which is facing overpopulation in its prisons. The two countries are working out an agreement to house Belgian prisoners in Dutch prisons. Some five-hundred Belgian prisoners could be transferred to the Tilburg prison by 2010.

The Netherlands would get 30 million euros in the deal, and it will allow the closing of the prisons in Rotterdam and Veenhuizen to be postponed until 2012.



http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals


So if many things are not illegal and they won't even prosecute with the mountain of circumstantial evidence against J2K, then I guess they can say they have no criminals.  If some community service is the punishment for rape in some instances, again, no criminals.  If mass scale corruption is allowed, no criminals.

Apparently it is not just Joran who escapes prosecution.  But with the blatant facts in evidence against him, if he is not guilty of anything then no body is.

One in four of their "sex workers" have told independent agencies they are there under duress but again no criminals.

Unless, of course, you are a black security guard in Aruba.  Then you'd better have a darned good alibit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 11:09:51 AM
Good morning monkeys! 


Members of the Second Chamber profiled Corruption attracts vermin,
says MP Hero Brinkman


THE HAGUE--Hero Brinkman, Member of the Second Chamber for the Party for Freedom PVV, is famous for his blunt remarks and many people on the islands would rather see him leave than come.

But behind the harsh words is a man who stands for a piece of fairness and integrity in government. He hates corruption and does not want the Dutch taxpayer to help fill the pockets of dishonest politicians on the islands. A corrupted government attracts vermin, he said.

A government that has integrity makes or breaks a constitutional state, said the 44-year-old Brinkman who admitted to being a tough cookie. But he says he does it with good intentions. I am a man of principles, but not inflexible. I can think pragmatic, he said.

Brinkman entered politics two years ago when he became a Member of Parliament for PVV, the right-wing party of Geert Wilders in March 2007. Before that, he was employed at the Amsterdam-Amstelland Police Force for 23 years.

Why did he get into active politics?

I saw the many mistakes that were being made in politics. I saw the big problems on the street in Amsterdam. I noticed the increase of Islam in society. Punishment for criminals was too low and the bad boys on the streets were not tackled.

Brinkman considered joining the party of the murdered Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn, but at that time, he was too busy with his studies and career. Later, he decided to get actively involved and when he was approached by PVV, he said yes. I want to actively contribute to tackling the problems of society. To do this, you have to get in the arena and not stand on the sideline.

Initially, another PVV Member of Parliament Teun van Dijk was appointed member of the Second Chambers Permanent Committee of Antillean and Aruban Affairs NAAZ. Van Dijk however had lived on the islands for 14 years, so the party decided to appoint a more objective person.

I had never been to the islands and I didnt have ties. You have to be as objective as possible. We are a highly critical party, he said.

Headache

From the time Brinkman joined NAAZ, he became a headache of many politicians, not only his colleagues in the Dutch Parliament, but especially those on the other side of the ocean. There has been trouble whenever he showed his face in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, accusing local politicians of being corrupt and calling the islands mafia islands.

During his first visit early last year, he caused shock waves with his report on corruption in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. During the last gathering of members of the three Parliaments in the Kingdom, also known as POK, he got involved in a shouting match in Aruba, and shortly after, was thrown out of the Dutch delegation.

This has not deterred Brinkman, who promised he would participate in the next POK meeting. The next time they are not throwing me out. The last time they did so, it was pure politics. If they hadnt thrown me out, POK would have failed. And guess what, POK failed anyway.

In his view, the half-yearly POK meetings are a waste of taxpayers money and should be discarded. I want the plug to be pulled out of POK.

Brinkman and PVV have one vision for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and that is independence. They are like a lump of lead around our neck. He said as long as the islands remained in the Kingdom, the islands would keep creating debts and the Netherlands would keep pulling out its wallet to pay off debts created by corrupted politicians.

It bothers Brinkman that behind the faade of beautiful houses and hotels, there is so much poverty on the islands. We want to cooperate to fight poverty, but then the money that we pay has to go to helping people and not to expensive cars for corrupt politicians. My first visit to the islands confirmed my view. The islands are beautiful, but politicians have a good life while many live in poverty. He stressed that PVV was not against the Dutch Government assisting in cases of disasters, such as hurricanes.

Big item

The constitutional position of the islands will be a big item in the next Dutch Parliamentary elections in May 2011, foresees Brinkman, who is convinced that most Dutch people are fed up with paying the bill.

The majority of the Dutch people see the islands as an expensive hobby. He said when PVV wins the next elections, all agreements with the Netherlands Antilles and the island territories about new constitutional relations would be reversed. The PVV may very well emerge as the largest party, because according to the latest polls, the party would muster more seats than the Christian Democratic Party CDA of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende.

Brinkman is not in favour of breaking all ties with the former colonies. The past has shown that this is not wise. It went wrong with the other former colonies (Suriname, Indonesia, and Dutch New Guinea, ed.) The relations went sour and we had to make a lot of effort to restore those relations, he said.

Brinkman would rather see a sort of cooperation agreement with the Netherlands when the islands go their own way, holding up their own pants as he puts it. Australia and New Zealand, for example, still have a relation with their former coloniser, Great Britain.

They share history and they give content to that in a positive way. I would like to see that for the Netherlands Antilles, because we share a piece of history. (Suzanne Koelega)

This was the second profile in a series of interviews with Members of the Dutch Second Chamber. Last week Member of Parliament Jan Schinkelshoek (CDA) was profiled.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m010/brinkm010.html

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Thank Helen.

Hero Brinkman is a lone voice in the Dutch Parliament in regards to the issue of investigating corruption in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Why?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 11:11:07 AM
Back to my own little hidey hole.

Janet
8:10 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on May 29, 2009, 11:50:08 AM
I would like to know who has been awarded these lucrative contracts just out of curiosity.  As I have stated, it may be impossible to trace the actual participants in the search for Natalee as I do think they continue to form corp on top of corp. 

But once the project managing corp is identified, then it just might be possible to learn what individuals actually comprise that company.

Just the fact all these bids are being submitted for all these jobs in the region does say it all but still, it's best to always have documentation of who is doing what for whom and for how much.  Should be public record somewhere.  I say should be because we did see the closed-door meetings.

And if anybody can find it, I think it is our monkey sleuths.  I am amazed at the ability some of us, certainly not me, have for following the corp paths.

I don't know the legality of collecting donations while pursuing commercial endeavors but I certainly know the immorality of it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2009, 12:16:55 PM
Good morning monkeys! 


Members of the Second Chamber profiled Corruption attracts vermin,
says MP Hero Brinkman


THE HAGUE--Hero Brinkman, Member of the Second Chamber for the Party for Freedom PVV, is famous for his blunt remarks and many people on the islands would rather see him leave than come.

But behind the harsh words is a man who stands for a piece of fairness and integrity in government. He hates corruption and does not want the Dutch taxpayer to help fill the pockets of dishonest politicians on the islands. A corrupted government attracts vermin, he said.

A government that has integrity makes or breaks a constitutional state, said the 44-year-old Brinkman who admitted to being a tough cookie. But he says he does it with good intentions. I am a man of principles, but not inflexible. I can think pragmatic, he said.

Brinkman entered politics two years ago when he became a Member of Parliament for PVV, the right-wing party of Geert Wilders in March 2007. Before that, he was employed at the Amsterdam-Amstelland Police Force for 23 years.

Why did he get into active politics?

I saw the many mistakes that were being made in politics. I saw the big problems on the street in Amsterdam. I noticed the increase of Islam in society. Punishment for criminals was too low and the bad boys on the streets were not tackled.

Brinkman considered joining the party of the murdered Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn, but at that time, he was too busy with his studies and career. Later, he decided to get actively involved and when he was approached by PVV, he said yes. I want to actively contribute to tackling the problems of society. To do this, you have to get in the arena and not stand on the sideline.

Initially, another PVV Member of Parliament Teun van Dijk was appointed member of the Second Chambers Permanent Committee of Antillean and Aruban Affairs NAAZ. Van Dijk however had lived on the islands for 14 years, so the party decided to appoint a more objective person.

I had never been to the islands and I didnt have ties. You have to be as objective as possible. We are a highly critical party, he said.

Headache

From the time Brinkman joined NAAZ, he became a headache of many politicians, not only his colleagues in the Dutch Parliament, but especially those on the other side of the ocean. There has been trouble whenever he showed his face in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, accusing local politicians of being corrupt and calling the islands mafia islands.

During his first visit early last year, he caused shock waves with his report on corruption in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. During the last gathering of members of the three Parliaments in the Kingdom, also known as POK, he got involved in a shouting match in Aruba, and shortly after, was thrown out of the Dutch delegation.

This has not deterred Brinkman, who promised he would participate in the next POK meeting. The next time they are not throwing me out. The last time they did so, it was pure politics. If they hadnt thrown me out, POK would have failed. And guess what, POK failed anyway.

In his view, the half-yearly POK meetings are a waste of taxpayers money and should be discarded. I want the plug to be pulled out of POK.

Brinkman and PVV have one vision for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and that is independence. They are like a lump of lead around our neck. He said as long as the islands remained in the Kingdom, the islands would keep creating debts and the Netherlands would keep pulling out its wallet to pay off debts created by corrupted politicians.

It bothers Brinkman that behind the faade of beautiful houses and hotels, there is so much poverty on the islands. We want to cooperate to fight poverty, but then the money that we pay has to go to helping people and not to expensive cars for corrupt politicians. My first visit to the islands confirmed my view. The islands are beautiful, but politicians have a good life while many live in poverty. He stressed that PVV was not against the Dutch Government assisting in cases of disasters, such as hurricanes.

Big item

The constitutional position of the islands will be a big item in the next Dutch Parliamentary elections in May 2011, foresees Brinkman, who is convinced that most Dutch people are fed up with paying the bill.

The majority of the Dutch people see the islands as an expensive hobby. He said when PVV wins the next elections, all agreements with the Netherlands Antilles and the island territories about new constitutional relations would be reversed. The PVV may very well emerge as the largest party, because according to the latest polls, the party would muster more seats than the Christian Democratic Party CDA of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende.

Brinkman is not in favour of breaking all ties with the former colonies. The past has shown that this is not wise. It went wrong with the other former colonies (Suriname, Indonesia, and Dutch New Guinea, ed.) The relations went sour and we had to make a lot of effort to restore those relations, he said.

Brinkman would rather see a sort of cooperation agreement with the Netherlands when the islands go their own way, holding up their own pants as he puts it. Australia and New Zealand, for example, still have a relation with their former coloniser, Great Britain.

They share history and they give content to that in a positive way. I would like to see that for the Netherlands Antilles, because we share a piece of history. (Suzanne Koelega)

This was the second profile in a series of interviews with Members of the Dutch Second Chamber. Last week Member of Parliament Jan Schinkelshoek (CDA) was profiled.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m010/brinkm010.html

Copyright 2008 The Daily Herald St. Maarten
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   St. Maarten

Thank Helen.

Hero Brinkman is a lone voice in the Dutch Parliament in regards to the issue of investigating corruption in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Why?

Janet

Hi Janet,

I suspect that members of the Dutch Parliament, as in the US Congress, have members who are participants in the corruption.  I also suspect that the many shell corporations and trusts, set up by Paulus van der sloot et al, enable the tax evasion and secret financial transactions at the root of the corruption.

MOO

Helen Back



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2009, 12:39:06 PM
I would like to know who has been awarded these lucrative contracts just out of curiosity.  As I have stated, it may be impossible to trace the actual participants in the search for Natalee as I do think they continue to form corp on top of corp. 

But once the project managing corp is identified, then it just might be possible to learn what individuals actually comprise that company.

Just the fact all these bids are being submitted for all these jobs in the region does say it all but still, it's best to always have documentation of who is doing what for whom and for how much.  Should be public record somewhere.  I say should be because we did see the closed-door meetings.

And if anybody can find it, I think it is our monkey sleuths.  I am amazed at the ability some of us, certainly not me, have for following the corp paths.

I don't know the legality of collecting donations while pursuing commercial endeavors but I certainly know the immorality of it.

Anna, I believe it is very important to discover who was awarded "SECRET" oil contracts. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

IMO, secret meetings, secret contracts, shell corporations, spell corruption.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 12:59:38 PM
REMINDER

CONFLICTS OF INTEREST?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman - 05/08/08:  John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle Kigman - 06/06/08:  Here's some interesting news: John goes to Aruba on Wednesday.

Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08:  He's (Silvetti) seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:   I haven't talked to John since he left for Aruba. I don't see why or how they need John to search the pond unless they were hell bent at only searching the pond for the targets I picked, which is obsurd since the pond is empty
 
Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman - 06/29/08:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies

Kyle Kingman - 06/29/08:   I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 29, 2009, 01:22:04 PM
I would like to know who has been awarded these lucrative contracts just out of curiosity.  As I have stated, it may be impossible to trace the actual participants in the search for Natalee as I do think they continue to form corp on top of corp. 

But once the project managing corp is identified, then it just might be possible to learn what individuals actually comprise that company.

Just the fact all these bids are being submitted for all these jobs in the region does say it all but still, it's best to always have documentation of who is doing what for whom and for how much.  Should be public record somewhere.  I say should be because we did see the closed-door meetings.

And if anybody can find it, I think it is our monkey sleuths.  I am amazed at the ability some of us, certainly not me, have for following the corp paths.

I don't know the legality of collecting donations while pursuing commercial endeavors but I certainly know the immorality of it.

Anna, I believe it is very important to discover who was awarded "SECRET" oil contracts. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

IMO, secret meetings, secret contracts, shell corporations, spell corruption.







I couldn't agree more with both of you.  ::MonkeyCool::

There is a reason those names are being withheld from the public.

And I honestly cannot think of a single reason that would call for legitemately withholding those names.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 01:46:06 PM

Hero Brinkman is a lone voice in the Dutch Parliament in regards to the issue of investigating corruption in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Why?

Janet

Hi Janet,

I suspect that members of the Dutch Parliament, as in the US Congress, have members who are participants in the corruption.  I also suspect that the many shell corporations and trusts, set up by Paulus van der sloot et al, enable the tax evasion and secret financial transactions at the root of the corruption.

MOO

Helen Back


[/quote]

EXACTLY!!!

This is the reason that I contend there will never be a genuine Dutch investigation into corrupt Aruban pipeline contracts and ... any names of companies that may become public record will not lead to identities of the owners/

Janet

++++++


I hope I am wrong but ... I suspect when all is said and done ... Holland will not genuinely investigate corruption in regards to the Aruban pipeline contracts and ... the implication is that related companies involved will not be revealed.  As with the Natalee Holloway case a genuine investigation will ... in all probability ... not only implicate those within the Aruban administration with wrongdoing ... it would also implicate those within factions of the Dutch administration who are one with with Aruban corruption.

My son's insightful Dutch American FIL follows the politics in his beloved homeland very closely.  He claims that history tells the entire story.  Voices from the conservative wing of the Dutch Parliament call for investigations into corruption in the Netherlands Antille time and time again but time and time again those voices are overruled ... not acted upon or ... an "investigation" turns out to be nothing but dog and pony show.

It appears that Aruba is secure in the assurance that the Dutch will continue to appease ... not challenge ... as long as there are those within the Dutch/Aruban administrations are thisclose in matters encompassing corruption.

Also ... the relationship between Aruba and Chavez/Venezuela is an Ace in the the game of cards that Aruba holds over the Netherlands.

In Private Eye's words ... "The game has been fixed."

Think about it.

1.  What was the outcome of the Dutch investigation headed by Johan Remkes into the Natalee Holloway case in August, 2006?

2.  What happen to Dutch Member of Parliament for the PVV party Hero Brinkman's call for an inquiry into corruption within the Netherlands Antille?

3.  What happened to the requested inquiry into the Jan vander Straaten/Paulus van der Sloot conflict of interest that may have hindered justice for Natalee Holloway from the getgo?

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 01:50:32 PM
I suspect that members of the Dutch Parliament, as in the US Congress, have members who are participants in the corruption.  I also suspect that the many shell corporations and trusts, set up by Paulus van der sloot et al, enable the tax evasion and secret financial transactions at the root of the corruption.

MOO

Helen Back




EXACTLY!!!

This is the reason that I contend there will never be a genuine Dutch investigation into corrupt Aruban pipeline contracts and ... any names of companies that may become public record will not lead to identities of the owners/

Janet

++++++

I hope I am wrong but ... I suspect when all is said and done ... Holland will not genuinely investigate corruption in regards to the Aruban pipeline contracts and ... the implication is that related companies involved will not be revealed.  As with the Natalee Holloway case a genuine investigation will ... in all probability ... not only implicate those within the Aruban administration with wrongdoing ... it would also implicate those within factions of the Dutch administration who are one with with Aruban corruption.

My son's insightful Dutch American FIL follows the politics in his beloved homeland very closely.  He claims that history tells the entire story.  Voices from the conservative wing of the Dutch Parliament call for investigations into corruption in the Netherlands Antille time and time again but time and time again those voice are overruled ... not acted upon or ... an "investigation" turns out to be nothing but dog and pony show.

It appears that Aruba is secuire in the assurance that the Dutch will continue to appease ... not challenge ... as long as there are those within the Dutch/Aruban administrations are thisclose in matters encompassing corruption.

Also ... the relationship between Aruba and Chavez/Venezuela is an Ace in the the game of cards that Aruba holds over the Netherlands.

In Private Eye's words ... "The game has been fixed."

Think about it.

1.  What was the outcome of the Dutch investigation headed by Johan Remkes into the Natalee Holloway case in August, 2006?

2.  What happen to Dutch Member of Parliament for the PVV party Hero Brinkman's call for an inquiry into corruption within the Netherlands Antille?

3.  What happened to the requested inquiry into the Jan vander Straaten/Paulus van der Sloot conflict of interest that may have hindered justice for Natalee Holloway from the getgo?

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 01:51:23 PM
Mods

Please delete my post 1309.  I really messed up.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 02:36:19 PM
John Silvetti seeking out Aruban business opportunties while sincerely searching for Natalee Holloway's remains on the ocean floor does not necessarily equate into a conflict of interest.  However ... it is a pipeline contract as well as Kyle Kingman's own words encompassing recovery process of the contents of the trap ... that would expose John Silvetti for who he is.  Dispicable!!

When I consider Kyle Kingman's own words that no letter of invitation to the FBI from the Arubans regarding an FBI presence on the Persistence was requested ... it implies to me that a plan to participate in furthering the coverup that had prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 ... was in the works prior to the Persistence entering Aruban waters.

Thank about it.  If the Aruban coverup was not being further ... I believe that it would have been in the best interest of both Adolph Richardson and Hans Mo to have insisted on an FBI presence to witness the recovery process?

Janet

+++++++++

    KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman
:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2009, 02:42:09 PM
Snipped from: 
British politics
Where there's muck...

May 12th 2009
From Economist.com
More British MPs are embarrassed by revelations over their expense claims


HORSE manure. Swimming-pool maintenance. Light bulbs. Those are some of the items that British MPs have charged to the taxpayer under Parliaments now-discredited expenses system.

Probably the worst abuses involve flippingthat is, changing the property designated as an MPs second home, thus allowing him to be reimbursed for improvements made to more than one residence. (British MPs may claim for the upkeep of a second home as they discharge their dual responsibilities at Westminster and in their constituencies.) Some of them tarted up their homes at public expense shortly before selling them for personal profit; a few seemingly identified a property as their second home for expenses purposes, but as their main residence when they sold it (thus avoiding capital-gains tax). The culprits include senior ministers and spokesmen for the opposition Conservatives as well as obscure backbenchers. The reputation of Parliament is at a desperately low ebb.

These tawdry revelations have been published in the past few days by the Daily Telegraph, which has acquired several years worth of leaked expenses details from a parliamentary office. A redacted version of the records was in any case due to be published later in the summer under Freedom of Information legislation. MPs had fought for years to keep their expense claims secret; now, some might say, it is clear why.

http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13640193

My point in posting this story is to point out the following:

This corruption, stealing, and abuse of power did not come to light as a result of the British Parliament investigating themselves.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

This story came to light as a result of secret information "leaked" to the press.  Most likely because regular folks are fed up with paying for the shenanigans of corrupt politicians.

These revelations can happen anywhere, Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles, the USA, but rarely is the result of "self-policing".

  ::MonkeyDevil::

Tick tock tick tock.....

I am patient.

 ::MonkeyCool::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on May 29, 2009, 02:44:42 PM
John Silvetti seeking out Aruban business opportunties while sincerely searching for Natalee Holloway's remains on the ocean floor does not necessarily equate into a conflict of interest.  However ... it is a pipeline contract as well as Kyle Kingman's own words encompassing recovery process of the contents of the trap ... that would expose John Silvetti for who he is.  Dispicable!!

When I consider Kyle Kingman's own words that no letter of invitation to the FBI from the Arubans regarding an FBI presence on the Persistence was requested  ... it implies to me that a plan to participate in furthering the coverup that had prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 ... was in the works prior to the Persistence entering Aruban waters.

Thank about it.  If the Aruban coverup was not being further ... I believe that it would have been in the best interest of both Adolph Richardson and Hans Mo to have insisted on an FBI presence to witness the recovery process?

Janet

+++++++++

    snip


Here's what stands out even more for me.

Why didn't Silvetti himself make sure an FBI representative was onboard the Persistence?

He owns the damned boat, he surely can have anyone on it he chooses into Aruban territorial waters - provided it's not a criminal (oh wait, guess that would have excluded Trahan and Schaefer, wouldn't it?)

But I digress...........

The very first question I asked Kyle when he emailed us in 2007 was what protocol was in place for if/when they find Natalee?

He had no clue.

Great planning, guys!

Did the past history of Aruba regarding disappearing evidence slip their minds?

Or was it a deliberate "oversight" on their part?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2009, 03:12:25 PM
Note to Arubans:

Are you tired of seeing Paulus van der Sloot and his criminal son getting away with murder, while costing Aruba it's reputation, tourism, and your livelihood?  :smt096

Are you tired of seeing Rudy, Nel, Edison Briesen, Hendrick, and the gang, do whatever they want, all the while lining their pockets with the "kickbacks" from illegal and secret contracts?   :smt096


Are you tired of paying taxes from low-earning jobs while the fat-cats set up dummy corporations and trusts for the purpose of hiding money and tax evasion? :smt096

You don't have to report it to the "authorities" (the Bermuda triangle for evidence)!

Just leak it to the media......any media outlet not located on the island.

The rest will take care of itself and you will get your beloved island back!

C'mon........do it.

 ::MonkeyCool::









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 03:41:10 PM

Here's what stands out even more for me.

Why didn't Silvetti himself make sure an FBI representative was onboard the Persistence?

He owns the damned boat, he surely can have anyone on it he chooses into Aruban territorial waters - provided it's not a criminal (oh wait, guess that would have excluded Trahan and Schaefer, wouldn't it?)

But I digress...........

The very first question I asked Kyle when he emailed us in 2007 was what protocol was in place for if/when they find Natalee?

He had no clue.

Great planning, guys!

Did the past history of Aruba regarding disappearing evidence slip their minds?

Or was it a deliberate "oversight" on their part?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The family of Natalee Holloway deserved soooo much more competence when it is considered that the retrieval of Natalee Holloway's remains were the objective.  Those who sacrificially assisted in underwriting the costs of the endeavor deserved also soooo much more competence.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I cannot comprehend why Tim Miller or Dave Holloway did not ensure that a protcol was established in regards to the recovery and possession process in the event that anything Natalee Holloway case related was discovered.  Both these men were the most informed regarding the dynamic encompassing the Aruban coverup since June, 2005.  Did neither seek legal advice prior to commencing on such a huge undertaking?

If ... in the planning stages ...  the Arubans would not afford the FBI an letter of invitation ... the search endeavor could have been shelved almost immediately.  After all ... logic dictates the effort would have been for naught ... the eventual outcome could have been anticipated.

There are many aspects of the happenings encompassing the Persistence that I am attempting to sort out.  Indications are that there may have been underlying potential financial benefits realized for some entering into the undertaking and ... following the affording unchallenged the contents of the trap to the Arubans ... to ensure silence ... negotiations were entered into to financial benefit others.

Stay tuned.

Back again to my own little hide hole.

Janet

+++++++++

PLANNING STAGES (2007) - THE PERSISTENCE

THE SHIPS

FOX ONLINE - July 15, 2007


JAMIE COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

TIM MILLER:  I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 29, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
Good Morning, Monkeys!

I decided to post the following as it does apply in many ways.  After I stopped laughing, that is.





Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals
Published: 19 May 2009 16:31 | Changed: 20 May 2009 15:35
By our news desk
The Dutch justice ministry has announced it will close eight prisons and cut 1,200 jobs in the prison system. A decline in crime has left many cells empty.
News - Belgian judge frees thief because of crowded jails
During the 1990s the Netherlands faced a shortage of prison cells, but a decline in crime has since led to overcapacity in the prison system. The country now has capacity for 14,000 prisoners but only 12,000 detainees.

Deputy justice minister Nebahat Albayrak announced on Tuesday that eight prisons will be closed, resulting in the loss of 1,200 jobs. Natural redundancy and other measures should prevent any forced lay-offs, the minister said.

The overcapacity is a result of the declining crime rate, which the ministry's research department expects to continue for some time.

Belgian prisoners

Some reprieve might come from a deal with Belgium, which is facing overpopulation in its prisons. The two countries are working out an agreement to house Belgian prisoners in Dutch prisons. Some five-hundred Belgian prisoners could be transferred to the Tilburg prison by 2010.

The Netherlands would get 30 million euros in the deal, and it will allow the closing of the prisons in Rotterdam and Veenhuizen to be postponed until 2012.



http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals


So if many things are not illegal and they won't even prosecute with the mountain of circumstantial evidence against J2K, then I guess they can say they have no criminals.  If some community service is the punishment for rape in some instances, again, no criminals.  If mass scale corruption is allowed, no criminals.

Apparently it is not just Joran who escapes prosecution.  But with the blatant facts in evidence against him, if he is not guilty of anything then no body is.

One in four of their "sex workers" have told independent agencies they are there under duress but again no criminals.

Unless, of course, you are a black security guard in Aruba.  Then you'd better have a darned good alibit.


 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 05:12:30 PM
Natalee Freebirds, Monkeys and Natalee Holloway's uncle anticipated a negative outcome of the Persistence undertaking if there was not an FBI presence to witness a chain of custody in regards to a discovery that could be case related.

Why did Natalee Holloway's father who authored a book entitled "Corruption in Paradise" not anticipate a negative outcome of the Persistence undertaking if there was not an FBI presence to witness a chain of custody in regards to a discovery that could be Natalee Holloway case related?

Why did Tim Miller who had dealt with the Arubans personally in regards to tactics which prevented him from searching Aruban waters in the past?

These are hard questions but without answers ... nothing makes sense.

Janet

++++++

PRIVATE EYE - NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM  
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


TIM MILLER

The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007


I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:


<snipped>

Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

<snipped>

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January 13, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in thein October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And thats when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


On the Record w / Greta - November 1, 2005

TIM MILLER: We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and hes done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.


DAVE HOLLOWAY

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 10:
  Jacobs also told us that the day before we arrived, he had interviewed the boys who eventually became the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance ...... Jacobs considered the boys' statements to be consistent in that they had all said that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel. However, I did not realize at the time that Beth had already told him that the tapes did not show Natalee returning to the Holiday Inn that night.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 29, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
Anna - that article really is the domino effect of the increasingly liberal courts and 'approved crime' in Holland, thanks for posting that one!

Janet - I remember some posters who seemed very informed about Aruba early on posting that proceeds $$ from the Aruban criminal activity might reach as high as the Queen. At the very least it likely reaches those at the Hague.

Helen - I wish I could catch more of your optimism, I think the poor that Brinkman is seeking to protect are buried so far down and so well conditioned to the threat of retaliation if ever they outted Aruba, that they likely fear even breathing too much air there.

Paulus knew the game was fixed from the get-go, he had the goods on all the powers that be.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 05:45:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57305.php

Google translation:

'Speak, bore or quarrel, but stay at the table'

May 29, 2009, 17:24 (GMT -04:00)

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Antillean Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage morning by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. Both talked about the situation in the Kingdom since the decommissioning process of the West is focused.


ORANGE CITY - "Had we but as Prime Minister", sighed a few attendees after the speech of the Antillean Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage in Cas di Cultura yesterday. She was there at the invitation of the Epilepsy Foundation that - despite her young life - the president of the Central Bank Aruba as guest speakers had managed to snare for a fundraising.

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Sharina Henriquez

The program also attracted many visitors from senior management: managers of large companies, leaders of trade unions and employers organizations, not to mention a large number of politicians and parliamentarians, including the Presidents Ady Thijsen (MEP) and Rudy Lampe (RED) and AVP - Statenlid Benny Sevinger. The Board had in its entirety fails.

Perhaps, as suggested media and participants, because they knew that a scolding of the Antillean Prime washes to expect on the interference in the referendum of Curaao May 15 And that happened even did De Jongh-Elhage in a more humorous way than they had done on the Aruban radio. When she Justice Minister Rudy Croes compared with the Dutch-PVV MPs Geert Wilders and Hero Brinkman.

"There is a speech for me, but tonight I am speaking from my heart," began De Jongh-Elhage while they pushed the leaves aside. And she spoke passionately about her belief that only with a 'si' Curaao has a chance to provide a new country is to survive. "We have a debt of 5 billion florin. Listen, this is a five out of nine zeros attached, while laughingly admits that the referendum them extra practice in persuasive speeches. "And we have only 250,000 people, so how can we help without starting a new country."

The prime minister explains why there is hardly offered the decommissioning process of the Antilles. And not just because the elections to the door and it is impossible to find politicians who want to sit in a government of a country to be dismantled. Her haste is also the fear of the consequences of political change in the Netherlands in respect of the Antilles. Was first the Dutch parliament unanimously debt of 1.7 billion euro, now that its no longer true. This is not just related to the PVV, now the largest party in the Netherlands, the Antilles rather lost. "Even in other parties are increasingly against noise." This is according to De Jongh-Elhage also because of the poor economic climate. When the Netherlands, which they still a gift for the West calls came swam there in the money. Now the Netherlands is struggling with a deficit of 20 million euros if it is not savings, the Prime Minister. So the longer it lasts, the greater the chance that soon no more political support and therefore no money for the debts of Curaao.

Remain at the table
De Jongh-Elhage yesterday was a recognizing applause when she started to relations within the Kingdom. "It is because we in the Kingdom, with a reliable legal system that we have a Dutch passport, which with us are still much better than the rest of the Caribbean islands."


Antillean Prime Minister did not directly on Aruba's volatile participation in the negotiations on the new political structure. They clearly do not want to interfere in the discussion, for example, the headquarters of the Joint Court and the recently announced corruption investigation by the Netherlands in Aruba. The fact that the Aruban Curaao also criticizes administration to do what the Netherlands task, assigns them to the hand. Just as the criticism that the autonomy of Aruba affected. "That is not true. Aruba is itself. It is a discussion with the Netherlands they have to, not us. "She stressed that the parties then have to sit at the table and there, especially not in the press, the negotiations should take:" You can discuss, whine, even fight, but at the table. "


The Prime Minister is also not that Curaao during the negotiations over its autonomy return. If she refers to how Aruba are separate status was also not deliver the goods had been. Indeed, only Aruba was granted autonomy in the event that after ten years from the Kingdom steps. "The negotiators took time, however, the offer because they assume that they were later called again to sit at the table and then again looked at what was right." And they were right, says De Jongh-Elhage, because Aruba was in the Kingdom.

Easily wiped Antillean Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage yesterday asking for her opinion about Aruban affairs of the table. "I, unlike other politicians here, not difficult with internal affairs of any country in the world, nor of Aruba." The Prime Minister had again failed to mention the interference not only Minister Rudy Croes during the referendum, but also this week by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. This interference might be grist to the mill of those who during the referendum voted no. This, according to her throughout the referendum almost nothing done than the people Curaao 'poisoned' with untruths. That Aruban drivers still on top of a scoop continue to find them is disappointing. Especially now that she is trying its political opponents at the table to get to a sharpening of the divide by the yes and no voters in the society. Today the Prime Minister an interview with the Aruban Prime Minister about this and the situation in the Kingdom.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57302.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Premier mat on research on corruption

May 29, 2009, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The MEP group wants as quickly as possible an emergency meeting in parliament about the corruption investigation, announced Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten. It should be Prime Minister Nelson Oduber text and explanations. To this end, the entire MEP group yesterday made a request to States President Mervin Wyatt-Ras. Group Ady Thijssen (MEP) explains that during this meeting the Prime Minister should give an explanation on the contents of the letter that the Secretary of State on May 25 sent to the Lower House. The group also wants half, public meeting with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) and the ministers Rudy Croes, Wever Booshi and Nilo Swaen present to discuss the letter. According to Thijssen Netherlands can not simply decide that the rights of another country of the Kingdom becomes. "The Dutch parliament is no Kingdom Parliament and should therefore not interfere in internal affairs of Aruba."

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 06:19:39 PM
FOUR YEARS LATER ....

Aruba Date:  May 29, 2009
Aruba Time:  10:20 PM


++++++++++


Joran van der Sloot - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

Between 8 pm and 10 pm I went to play Black Jack. Next to me a girl was sitting. The girl started talking to me in English. The girl introduced herself but I did not recall her name. The girl told me that she together with around 150 schoolmates had traveled to Aruba. They had come to Aruba on a "Senior Trip".  She told me that she had lost the amount of us $360 and that that money belonged to her father. She wanted to win back that money in the casino because her father would be mad at her.  I had helped her gambling and she had won us $100,- She asked me how old I was. I answered her that I was 19 years old. She told me that she was 18 years old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2009, 06:21:31 PM
Thanks Texasmom for the articles.

This circular argument among the politicians of the Netherlands and Aruba is such an old song.  Aruba claims it's autonomy in all areas except fiscal independence, whereby the taxpayers of the Netherlands always have to foot the bill.  Must be getting old for them, too.

It seems that because I posted an article regarding Hero Brinkman's continuing charges of corruption in the Antilles, that some may think I am a proponent of Hero Brinkman.  I simply posted the article because it discusses the corruption in Aruba and the Antilles, and I LOVE when that happens. ::MonkeyHaHa::

IMO, most politicians do a lot of talking, and not much else.   

I do appreciate when anyone calls attention to corruption, wherever it exists.

I do believe that the corruption and dirty secrets on Aruba are at the heart of the cover up and denial of truth and justice for Natalee Holloway and will be exposed.  I don't believe that it will be the direct result of efforts by any politicians, especially those of the Netherlands.

It's simply a matter of time before criminals and their dirty deeds are exposed.  I hope they are sweating.  I wish that today was the day, but I can wait.

I am patient. ::MonkeyCool::


 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 06:28:42 PM
FOUR YEARS LATER ....

Aruba Date:  May 29, 2009
Aruba Time:  10:30 PM


+++++++


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005


After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 06:34:22 PM
FOUR YEARS LATER ....

Aruba Date:  May 29, 2009
Aruba Time:  10:35 PM


++++++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Septermber 20, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: I dont think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and  particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 29, 2009, 06:46:36 PM
Jen,
Just wanted to make sure you saw a couple posts from last night on this page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.1160

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Yes, thankies texasmom - I certainly did.

But my attempts at understanding papi leave a LOT to be desired.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What were they being honored for?

Jen, I certainly don't have a "good" understanding of the language either.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've seen Sandy Leiva on today, maybe if she has time she will tell us more about what the article says...and what it means in her opinion.  I haven't seen Cageman lately, if he stops in maybe he could help too! 

My understanding of this article is that "Sony" who was a "leader of the district" for the MEP party; is now along with his family supporting the AVP party.  At the end of the article I think they are having some kind of party tonight (of all nights) ::MonkeyRoll:: , maybe a support the AVP Party party?  I dunno!

One translation says "Parade", so maybe there's a parade tonight? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

5/27/2009 Awe Mainta Page 4

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Papiamentu translation:

sony vrolijk ex leader of district of mep owing to lever flag of avp past owing to uni his self at the team cu of berdad have the vision y love for we people

yesterday tardi at home of sony vrolijk at shiribana, everybody can owing to see the flag berde of avp bay air. in one ambiente festivo sony vrolijk y all his family owing to ricibi otmar oduber, benny sevinger y one are big of sostenedornan of the faction berde for so arise for previous to trip at his cas the flag of avp. dirigiendo his self at esnan present, past owing to calling everybody welcome at name of his father y mother at they cas at paradera. past owing to tell awe aruba is bay achieve know what color sony is. all is ask about, all is happen, they do not see nothing y much owing to come, they all is welcome, i have sit talk y bisanan they berdad, tell cos as is. my wanted for everybody know anything, sony is man of one word so. sony conoce otmar because; carnavalista for much year end y the know much good that the is. at feburary during carnaval, sony owing to tell otmar cu the is bay yude the eleccion here. mi is bay cu otmar all out. yesterday at 4 month we is vote. today at 4 month i am believe cu we can canta victoria y we will is satisfecho of can achieve one gobierno new cu is work for her country aki, was words of sony vrolijk. otmar oduber of his near owing to indica cu for all esnan of avp is one honor for ricibi catherine (mama), chinto (tata), sony, rudy y dwin kendenan is one sample of the cambio cu people of aruba is anhela. for come cu one cambio on the problemanan of inseguridad cu have at aruba, criminalidad cu is aumenta, ladronicia, posicion social of we hendenan cu coin do not arrive, same cu is the situation of we turism. refiriendo his self at sony otmar owing to tell cu the is one person cu together cu his family for much year owing to stay much loyal at the faction cu they owing to sostene in pasado y today did take the decision of change of direction mirando one country cu do not progresa, mirando one country cu have to of one cambio for of the form ey bring felicidad at all aruba. pesey pami today is more cu one honor y contento cu we is inicia the proceso here cu one child of paradera, one family of paradera cu cual some day happen we owing to celebra the boda berde of 55 year y today we is arise the flag here at inicio of paradera. here at paradera, same cu at all aruba are you feel one breath new is bezig is come on aruba, sperando here 4 month exactly we can celebra y tomorrow here 4 month we will is in the parada of victoria celebrando the victoria of aruba y of people aruban avp. benny sevinger of his near owing to tell cu for avp is one proud y placer for is present during the celebracion of hisamento of flag. mi is believe cu this is one message cu sony is send for people of aruba, mustrando cu cos is bad y hour cu cos is bad do you have cu send the message y contribui at same instant for fix this. by of join the team of otmar sony will bay contribui directo in the cambionan cu faction avp will bay haci in the proximo gobierno. sony vrolijk y his family now is form part of family of avp, the family of people of aruba cu diabierna now, 29 of half, will is celebrando aperture of they cas of faction at paradera, cuminsando for 6or of nightfall.
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I'm pretty sure... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: that this article was of the 55th anniversary celebration of Chinto and Catherine Vrolijk.

I posted it because at least one face seemed very familiar!   :rendeer:  ::MonkeyWink::


5/13/2009 Awe Mainta Page 32

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Papiamentu translation:

chinto y catharina vrolijk owing to celebra they boda of emerald

after owing to gradici god cu one sand sacrificio of catholic cu did take lugar diabierne ultimo at catholic santa filomena at paradera, diadomingo owing to organisa one berdadero party at turibana. all this for conmemora the mature cu generoso (chinto) vrolijk y catharina vrolijk-britten 55 year happen owing to enter in the boat matrimonial. of the form here owing to celebra they boda of emerald. as chinto y catharina owing to give of conoce, cu good god owing to calling they for live in estado matrimonial 55 year happen. thanks for owing to haci they matrimonio feliz. thanks for owing to let always the love among they stay always fervoroso y solido. thanks for owing to haci they love so strong, cu durnate the 55 year here felicidad of another was always dispuesto at pordona y forget miss y debilidadnan of another. this te xito of they matrimonio. once more, recibi we felicitacion of awemainta ne pareha here, ehempel for much.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blonde on May 29, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
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We Won't Forget You Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 06:55:11 PM
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We Won't Forget You Natalee

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
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TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!


A LIFE FOREVER CHANGED

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.   The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2009, 07:13:47 PM
Thanks, Blonde and Janet and Texasmom for the reminders of Natalee and Beth. 

They are the reason we are here FOUR YEARS LATER!  And why we will be here tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Helen Back


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Miss-Underestimated on May 29, 2009, 10:51:38 PM
Unreal, four years later and no justice.  Someday, the truth will be known.  Until then Aruba, bathes in her filth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 30, 2009, 12:20:59 AM
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It is officially May 30, 2009, FOUR years. FOUR fn years.

Love you Natalee, Beth and Matt.









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 12:51:40 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 231:  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.  I love Natalee and miss her very much.  And still fantasize about the possibility that one day a call will come telling me that I need to go to the island.  To get her.  I want to always be prepared for that imaginary call.  So I keep my passport with me at all times.  And right next to mine is Natalee's.

Just in case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 12:55:33 AM

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Truth & Justice for Natalee!




 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 30, 2009, 01:18:19 AM
Thanks, Blonde and Janet and Texasmom for the reminders of Natalee and Beth. 

They are the reason we are here FOUR YEARS LATER!  And why we will be here tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Helen Back


I agree, and Janet's last post #1333 created that lump in my throat & eyes teary. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 02:16:57 AM

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Truth & Justice for Natalee!




 ::MonkeyAngel::



 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 30, 2009, 02:29:24 AM
Ktf...
Lakers in 6!.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 02:30:53 AM
ARUBA

ONE CORRUPT ISLAND

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL FOREVER SHINE ON YOUR DARK ISLAND

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 02:33:22 AM
Ktf...
Lakers in 6!.... ::MonkeyCool::

Am i talking with Kobe? ::MonkeyDevil:: Kobe really stepped up individually,as well as collectively with his team...Kudos to Kobe,BillB,as well as The lakers!Don't forget you got one of our washington boys sitten on the bench in street clothes.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Adam Morrrison....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 30, 2009, 02:36:04 AM
One of my 1st post wrt persistence.....red highlights from today....
Quote from: billb on February 23, 2008, 01:39:47 AM
I just finished watching the Dateline segment and was surprised about the Persistence discovery in Dec, plus the part about Marco. It hurts me that Beth, Dave , family has to continue to suffer because of the initial lies/corruption implemented by J2K and especially Paulus! May they all rot in hell. I'm concerned that although the segment touched a little on corruption, it mostly centered on the ongoing efforts to find Natalee. While that is commendable (Tim Miller IS a national HERO, along with the Persistence crew) I think it is time to take off the white gloves and focus specifically on the corruption/cover up by Aruba authorities and Paulus. Names need to be mentioned!! Rudy, KJ, Jan VDS,  Dennis J, all the spokespersons, Anita, PVDS, and maybe Mos. What has Mos done? Is he for real, or just another cover up? It is so frustrating to know what all you great Monkeys know, and balance that against the best way to inform the American public! We need the state department to get involved, and put pressure on the NL and Aruba to bring Natalee back and  clean up the corruption! The authorities in Aruba and the NL's need to be held accountable.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 02:36:12 AM
                                                    ARUBA

                                        ONE CORRUPT ISLAND

          NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL FOREVER SHINE ON YOUR DARK ISLAND


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 02:42:16 AM
One of my 1st post wrt persistence.....red highlights from today....
Quote from: billb on February 23, 2008, 01:39:47 AM
I just finished watching the Dateline segment and was surprised about the Persistence discovery in Dec, plus the part about Marco. It hurts me that Beth, Dave , family has to continue to suffer because of the initial lies/corruption implemented by J2K and especially Paulus! May they all rot in hell. I'm concerned that although the segment touched a little on corruption, it mostly centered on the ongoing efforts to find Natalee. While that is commendable (Tim Miller IS a national HERO, along with the Persistence crew) I think it is time to take off the white gloves and focus specifically on the corruption/cover up by Aruba authorities and Paulus. Names need to be mentioned!! Rudy, KJ, Jan VDS,  Dennis J, all the spokespersons, Anita, PVDS, and maybe Mos. What has Mos done? Is he for real, or just another cover up? It is so frustrating to know what all you great Monkeys know, and balance that against the best way to inform the American public! We need the state department to get involved, and put pressure on the NL and Aruba to bring Natalee back and  clean up the corruption! The authorities in Aruba and the NL's need to be held accountable.....

Much agreed BillB.We Monkey's need to get creative and use every resource we have as everyday citizens!Six degrees of seperation...If we put our minds together there has to be a bridge to justice.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 30, 2009, 02:47:16 AM
What aruba doesn't get......The longer they wait.....avoiding the inevitable - Justice for Natalee -
Which encompasses:
The return of Natalee
the prosecution of the perps: paulass/urine/k2
the cover up crew; ale(all pigs) karen J/Mos/rudy/NO...
persistence/john s/louis/kyle/tim t...
The more Monkeys dig in!
There will be judgment...... ::MonkeyCool
::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 02:54:29 AM
What aruba doesn't get......The longer they wait.....avoiding the inevitable - Justice for Natalee -
Which encompasses:
The return of Natalee
the prosecution of the perps: paulass/urine/k2
the cover up crew; ale(all pigs) karen J/Mos/rudy/NO...
persistence/john s/louis/kyle/tim t...
The more Monkeys dig in!
There will be judgment...... ::MonkeyCool
::
 

Resilient Monkey's we are.We will never give up!We will regroup and individually,as well as collectively find a different path to justice if it is a dead end...Time is on our side.The longer they wait,the bigger Natalee Holloway's story becomes.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 30, 2009, 02:55:58 AM
Good Night billb, ladydi, Keepthefaith and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is why we are here...
I feel strongly that Justice is right around the corner!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 02:56:15 AM
What aruba doesn't get......The longer they wait.....avoiding the inevitable - Justice for Natalee -
Which encompasses:
The return of Natalee
the prosecution of the perps: paulass/urine/k2
the cover up crew; ale(all pigs) karen J/Mos/rudy/NO...
persistence/john s/louis/kyle/tim t...
The more Monkeys dig in!
There will be judgment...... ::MonkeyCool
::
 

Resilient Monkey's we are.We will never give up!We will regroup and individually,as well as collectively find a different path to justice if we've hit a dead end...Time is on our side.The longer they wait,the bigger Natalee Holloway's story becomes.. ::MonkeyDance::

Had to clarify! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 02:57:08 AM
Good Night billb, ladydi, Keepthefaith and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is why we are here...
I feel strongly that Justice is right around the corner!


GoodNight BillB..God Bless you,your family,as well as the Lakers! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 30, 2009, 02:59:44 AM
What aruba doesn't get......The longer they wait.....avoiding the inevitable - Justice for Natalee -
Which encompasses:
The return of Natalee
the prosecution of the perps: paulass/urine/k2
the cover up crew; ale(all pigs) karen J/Mos/rudy/NO...
persistence/john s/louis/kyle/tim t...
The more Monkeys dig in!
There will be judgment...... ::MonkeyCool
::
 

Resilient Monkey's we are.We will never give up!We will regroup and individually,as well as collectively find a different path to justice if it is a dead end...Time is on our side.The longer they wait,the bigger Natalee Holloway's story becomes.. ::MonkeyDance::
Exactly! Why are they so dumb!... ::MonkeyConfused::
They have the KEY to resolve the issues........yet they still hide their head in the sand....Dumbass..
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 30, 2009, 07:35:30 AM
I am glad to see Dutch articles, on the anniversary.

Translated:

Natalee Holloway has lost 4 years

     * Published: 30/05/09 09:32
     * Last update: 30/05/09 09:52

The American teenager Natalee Holloway is missing Saturday just 4 years. The girl disappeared on May 30, 2005 after a night shift to Aruba with Joran van der Sloot and two of his friends. Her body is to date not been found today.

An overview of the events:

2005
- May 30: The 18-year-old Natalee disappeared without trace after a night out.
- June 6: Dutch military, the Aruban police, seven FBI agents, island residents and even tourists start a big search.
- June 9: Police arrest Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish K. They are last seen with Holloway.
- June 23: The father of Joran van der Sloot Paul is arrested, but later in the absence of evidence released.
- July 4: Dutch F16s search using special cameras Aruba and the ocean around it into Holloway. The judge let Deepak and Satish K. free.
- September 4: Joran is Friday The Brothers K. be on August 25 after the second time were arrested, released.

2006
- February 23: Joran gives an interview to U.S. television channel ABC and says, inter alia, that he Holloway on the night of her disappearance was alone on the beach.
- April 16: The Coast Guard searching for several days at sea with sonar equipment to the body of Holloway.

2007
- November 21: Joran in Arnhem reserved. In Aruba is also the brothers Deepak and Satish K. held back. The OM is new evidence found against them.
- November 30: The Brothers K. be released. The parents of Natalee Holloway on Aruba, where they include an interview with the OM have.
- December 7: Joran is released, due to insufficient direct evidence of his involvement in a violent crime against Natalee.
- December 18: The cease for the prosecution of Van der Sloot and the brothers K. for lack of evidence. The private search on and around Aruba by Natalees survivors continues.

2008
- January 11: After a show in TV Pauw Witteman Joran throws a glass of wine in the face of Peter R. de Vries. Joran.
- January 31: Peter R. de Vries said the Holloway case have been resolved. He explains that Natalee is dead. Details he says in his TV program on February 3.
- February 1: The OM in Aruba confirmed that Joran van der Sloot made a confession. Meanwhile, know that Joran is little to attract the charges.
- February 3: The broadcast of Peter R. de Vries brings shocking things to light. Seven million Dutch people have viewed the program.
- February 15: The court decision Joran van der Sloot not re-suits in connection with the disappearance. According to the court the statements of Joran in the program by Peter R. de Vries is not sufficient for him to continue.

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/23171/Natalee_Holloway_al_4_jaar_spoorloos


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 30, 2009, 07:37:53 AM
Thanks Texasmom for the articles.

This circular argument among the politicians of the Netherlands and Aruba is such an old song.  Aruba claims it's autonomy in all areas except fiscal independence, whereby the taxpayers of the Netherlands always have to foot the bill.  Must be getting old for them, too.

It seems that because I posted an article regarding Hero Brinkman's continuing charges of corruption in the Antilles, that some may think I am a proponent of Hero Brinkman.  I simply posted the article because it discusses the corruption in Aruba and the Antilles, and I LOVE when that happens. ::MonkeyHaHa::

IMO, most politicians do a lot of talking, and not much else.   

I do appreciate when anyone calls attention to corruption, wherever it exists.

I do believe that the corruption and dirty secrets on Aruba are at the heart of the cover up and denial of truth and justice for Natalee Holloway and will be exposed.  I don't believe that it will be the direct result of efforts by any politicians, especially those of the Netherlands.

It's simply a matter of time before criminals and their dirty deeds are exposed.  I hope they are sweating.  I wish that today was the day, but I can wait.

I am patient. ::MonkeyCool::


 





Helen, I wanted to correct any assumptions or anything you felt my post implied regarding you or Brinkman. I did not assume you support Brinkman, I did assume you are very patient and hopeful that the powers that be would eventually be held accountable for Natalee's lack of justice to date. I drew that assumption from your post, I believe your subsequent post back confirms that?

I believe it's caesu who is so hopeful Brinkman can initiate real change, correct?

I wish I could be here everyday but with work, I just cannot. That doesn't mean that those of us who are not here everyday aren't committed to the quest for justice.

Most important is that Natalee still does not have justice. That is hardest for her parents to endure, far moreso than any of us.

Most of her classmates on that trip have graduated in the last two weeks from college, I first heard of Natalee's disappearance while at orientation with my son for UA for he was in the same class. Natalee has been denied yet one more meaningful milestone in her young life, that college experience. We will never know what good works Natalee might have cast out into the world if she had become a physician or if she had chosen another path.

Imagine all the "points of light" that were snuffed out by stealing a young woman who truly cared about our world and those who live in it.

I don't have much faith if any, in Holland to change this outcome. I do however always hope and pray that someone in Aruba will have the courage to tell the truth eventually. Had the Kalpoe's not chased the 'gold' in their suit against Dr Phil, I do believe they might have turned on Joran but as long as that suit is out there, there is little chance they will rattle that cage.

I won't hold my breath for the corruption investigation to yield bonafide change, but I will hope that shaking some things up on evil island makes someone uncomfortable enough to swing to the other side toward truth. Natalee's case has been the catalyst for this, four long years coming but I do think it was the catalyst as was the boycott her parents had the courage to fight for.


 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 30, 2009, 08:24:43 AM
Checking in today on this anniversary(4 long years) since Natalee disappeared at the hands of Joran VDS, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Paulus VDS and I have to include Aruba as being complicit in this just as much due to the coverup and the refusal to allow Justice for Natalee and her family.  My thoughts are with Beth and Dave and their families as they go another year without the answers that should have been forthcoming in the first 10 days of Natalee's disappearance. 

I am here for the long haul and expect nothing less that JUSTICE for Natalee and her family.

I will be out off and on for the couple of weeks but do not forget that I am with this for the long haul.  My sister just found out she has a mass the size of my fist pushing against her brain and surgery is the only option.  So in less than 2 weeks brain surgery is where it is at for her and I will be standing beside her during this time.  So prayers are needed as the recuperation time is much longer than the surgery itself.

Take care Monkeys.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2009, 09:31:33 AM
I know Buckeye just posted but since I put together as a screen shot, I'll post anyway:

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/23171/Natalee_Holloway_al_4_jaar_spoorloos

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/nh4years.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2009, 09:56:08 AM
Put on youtube by Debbie at BFN:

http://www.youtube.com/v/OFtuD74wMCs&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca&border=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 30, 2009, 11:05:36 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 231:  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.  I love Natalee and miss her very much.  And still fantasize about the possibility that one day a call will come telling me that I need to go to the island.  To get her.  I want to always be prepared for that imaginary call.  So I keep my passport with me at all times.  And right next to mine is Natalee's.

Just in case.

Thanks, Janet. 

This just breaks my heart.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 11:20:15 AM
FRIENDS ARE FRIENDS FOREVER

Packing up the dreams God planted
In the fertile soil of you
I can't believe the hopes He's granted
Means a chapter of your life is through

But we'll keep you close as always
It won't even seem you've gone
'Cause our hearts in big and small ways
Will keep the love that keeps us strong

And friends are friends forever
If the Lord's the Lord of them
And a friend will not say never
'Cause the welcome will not end
Though it's hard to let you go
In the Father's hands we know
That a lifetime's not too long
To live as friends

And with the faith and love God's given
Springing from the hope we know
We will pray the joy you live in
Is the strength that now you show

We'll keep you close as always
It won't even seem you've gone
'Cause our hearts in big and small ways
Will keep the love that keeps us strong

And friends are friends forever
If the Lord's the Lord of them
And a friend will not say never
'Cause the welcome will not end
Though it's hard to let you go
In the Father's hands we know
That a lifetime's not too long
To live as friends

And friends are friends forever
If the Lord's the Lord of them
And a friend will not say never
'Cause the welcome will not end
Though it's hard to let you go
In the Father's hands we know
That a lifetime's not too long
To live as friends

To live as friends

Though it's hard to let you go
In the Father's hands we know
That a lifetime's not too long
To live as friends

No a lifetime's not too long
To live as friends

+++++++++++

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTLOgdQUVjc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdXT-v2hPUA&feature=related




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 30, 2009, 11:31:03 AM
Awww. Klaas, thank you for bringing the video here. There were pictures I hadn't seen before. I saw them through tears, but it's a really nice tribute.

What a waste of a beautiful young lady with all the promise in the world. What a heartache for her family. What a tragedy that the hands of scum eating low life brought this on them. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's good to be here with you all today. It was good to find you 4 years ago, and I'd like to group hug you all!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 30, 2009, 11:40:45 AM
From Nonesuch:
[/quote]

Helen, I wanted to correct any assumptions or anything you felt my post implied regarding you or Brinkman. I did not assume you support Brinkman, I did assume you are very patient and hopeful that the powers that be would eventually be held accountable for Natalee's lack of justice to date. I drew that assumption from your post, I believe your subsequent post back confirms that?

I believe it's caesu who is so hopeful Brinkman can initiate real change, correct?

I wish I could be here everyday but with work, I just cannot. That doesn't mean that those of us who are not here everyday aren't committed to the quest for justice.

Most important is that Natalee still does not have justice. That is hardest for her parents to endure, far moreso than any of us.

Most of her classmates on that trip have graduated in the last two weeks from college, I first heard of Natalee's disappearance while at orientation with my son for UA for he was in the same class. Natalee has been denied yet one more meaningful milestone in her young life, that college experience. We will never know what good works Natalee might have cast out into the world if she had become a physician or if she had chosen another path.

Imagine all the "points of light" that were snuffed out by stealing a young woman who truly cared about our world and those who live in it.

I don't have much faith if any, in Holland to change this outcome. I do however always hope and pray that someone in Aruba will have the courage to tell the truth eventually. Had the Kalpoe's not chased the 'gold' in their suit against Dr Phil, I do believe they might have turned on Joran but as long as that suit is out there, there is little chance they will rattle that cage.

I won't hold my breath for the corruption investigation to yield bonafide change, but I will hope that shaking some things up on evil island makes someone uncomfortable enough to swing to the other side toward truth. Natalee's case has been the catalyst for this, four long years coming but I do think it was the catalyst as was the boycott her parents had the courage to fight for.


[/quote]

Hi Nonesuch,

It was good to see you here and I appreciate your posts.  You were one of the monkeys here for Natalee long before I came around to the forum.

I did not derive anything from your post indicating that I might align myself with Hero Brinkman, or any other politician.  I just wanted to be clear that while I appreciate his open stance on corruption in the Antilles, I am not aware of nor a supporter of his entire platform.  I wish he could make a difference in this issue, but we've been listening to this rhetoric for some time, making my attitude Baaaaaaaaad. :oops:

It's true, I do feel optimistic that the corruption in Aruba will be exposed, and the truth about what happened to Natalee will be forthcoming through the implosion of that "house of cards". Sometimes my expressed frustration with politics and corruption makes me sound like a mean old hag.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  So be it.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Four years is a long time for Natalee and her loved ones to have been denied truth and justice.  The longer it takes, the worse the downfall will be. 

This weekend, in particular, I am PO'd at every gutless person who could have helped crack this case open, but chose to be part of the problem instead of the solution.

But I am patient.


 ::MonkeyCool::



 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 11:45:55 AM


I will be out off and on for the couple of weeks but do not forget that I am with this for the long haul.  My sister just found out she has a mass the size of my fist pushing against her brain and surgery is the only option.  So in less than 2 weeks brain surgery is where it is at for her and I will be standing beside her during this time.  So prayers are needed as the recuperation time is much longer than the surgery itself.

Take care Monkeys.


Blue Moon

I walked through the same valley as your sister nineteen years ago this month.  God was the source of strength that carried me ... carried my family ... through the storm of all storms.

Janet

+++++++++

Psalm 28:7
the Lord is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in Him, and I am helped.

Psam 46:2
God is our refuge and strength, A very present help in trouble.

John 14:27
I am leaving you at peace. I am giving you my own peace. I am not giving it to you as the world gives. So don't let your hearts be troubled, and don't be afraid.


FOREVER YOU ARE FAITHFUL - MICHAEL W. SMITH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPdtqgouCc


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 12:06:02 PM

<snipped>

Four years is a long time for Natalee and her loved ones to have been denied truth and justice.  The longer it takes, the worse the downfall will be. 

This weekend, in particular, I am PO'd at every gutless person who could have helped crack this case open, but chose to be part of the problem instead of the solution.

<snipped>


Helen

Maybe ... just maybe ... this will be the weekend that one person who has knowledge of the truth will be led to reveal all and ... afford the family of Natalee Holloway the deserved measure of peace.

Janet

++++++


OPRAH WINFREY SHOW - January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.
 
http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 12:36:25 PM
Good morning Monkeys!

I needed that hug CBB, thank you!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Four years....that's hard for me to accept; I can only imagine how Natalee's loved ones feel today.

I hope they know that we are never going to forget Natalee.  We'll never forget what happened to her, and the fact that those responsible have never been held accountable.  We won't forget that Natalee was denied a proper burial in her country; her family denied a place to go to place tokens of their love for her today...and any other day.  They all deserve that.  It's unforgivable!  And it will not be forgotten.

Thank you Klaas, for posting Debbie's video.  She did a great job, and I enjoyed watching it when I came in the cage this morning.  I made one too, but because of copyright issues I can't post it.  I did try to get permission, but never received a response.  So I'm posting another one from youtube with the song I wanted to use. 

For Natalee...I won't forget, and I'll never give up!


http://www.youtube.com/v/ccCnL8hArW8&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Dolce on May 30, 2009, 12:51:55 PM
Hi Monkey Friends!  We are finishing up the posters for Adji tonight, so if there is anything you would like me to put on it for you please do not forget to leave your messages and wishes in his thread here.  Thanks to everyones sweet words we are up to 3 posters, I have a few blanks left, so feel free to chime in!!  Thanks again!!  I will post pictures once this is all completed.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4380.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 01:16:26 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET THE EVIL BROUGHT UPON YOU
BY THE EVIL ISLAND AND IT'S INHABITANTS....






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 01:18:12 PM
ME THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A MUPPET SHOW.......

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 30, 2009, 01:25:21 PM

<snipped>

Four years is a long time for Natalee and her loved ones to have been denied truth and justice.  The longer it takes, the worse the downfall will be. 

This weekend, in particular, I am PO'd at every gutless person who could have helped crack this case open, but chose to be part of the problem instead of the solution.

<snipped>


Helen

Maybe ... just maybe ... this will be the weekend that one person who has knowledge of the truth will be led to reveal all and ... afford the family of Natalee Holloway the deserved measure of peace.

Janet

++++++


OPRAH WINFREY SHOW - January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.
 
http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Janet,

Today and every day......this is my prayer and belief.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Helen Back

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 01:25:43 PM
ME THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A MUPPET SHOW.......

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



It's the Muppet Show with our Very Special Guest Star, ...

It's time to play the music
It's time to light the lights
It's time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 30, 2009, 01:28:36 PM
ME THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A MUPPET SHOW.......

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 02:00:58 PM
ME THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A MUPPET SHOW.......

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::MonkeyDance::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 02:27:13 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

++++++

Daniel O'Donnel - What a Wonderful Word

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8aAygU4xM&feature=related



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 02:35:16 PM
Dear Kyle

God entrusted you with the truth ... the truth that could afford Natalee Holloway's family at the very least a measure of closure after four long years.  Think about your precious daughter.  Please put yourself in the place of Dave and Beth.

Kyle ... it is your choice ... what are you going to do?

Sincerely, Janet

++++++

oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
Reply #166 on: December 09, 2007, 01:18:35 AM


I say this with absolute conviction... I do not have enough faith to be an atheist in times like this.  It is examples such as these that remind humanity that people still go out of their way for others. About 2000 years ago there was the perfect example of a loving sacrifice.  So do I expect a miracle?  Perhaps a better question is... what are our expectations of that miracle?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2432.msg315649;topicseen#msg315649


Daniel O'Donnell - Your Raise Me Up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etK5yLjiVOs&NR=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
NATALEE HOLLOWAY - IN HER OWN WORDS

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229/230:
  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 03:10:13 PM
Dear Kyle

God entrusted you with the truth ... the truth that could afford Natalee Holloway's family at the very least a measure of closure after four long years.  Think about your precious daughter.  Please put yourself in the place of Dave and Beth.

Kyle ... it is your choice ... what are you going to do?

Sincerely, Janet

++++++

oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
Reply #166 on: December 09, 2007, 01:18:35 AM


I say this with absolute conviction... I do not have enough faith to be an atheist in times like this.  It is examples such as these that remind humanity that people still go out of their way for others. About 2000 years ago there was the perfect example of a loving sacrifice.  So do I expect a miracle?  Perhaps a better question is... what are our expectations of that miracle?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2432.msg315649;topicseen#msg315649


Daniel O'Donnell - Your Raise Me Up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etK5yLjiVOs&NR=1

IT WILL EAT YOU FROM THE INSIDE OUT KYLE....WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 03:14:38 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

++++++

Daniel O'Donnel - What a Wonderful Word

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8aAygU4xM&feature=related



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

VERY PROFOUND WORDS...THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO REMIND US JANET


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 03:31:53 PM
ME THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A MUPPET SHOW.......

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyDance::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 03:37:33 PM


Good job KTF, I'm impressed!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 03:39:46 PM


Good job KTF, I'm impressed!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Wreck & San have tried for quite some time.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: I figured it was time to take the training wheels off and become a BIG MONKEY... ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 03:39:58 PM
Keepthefaith

I have a library (boxes LOL) of wonderful reading but ... outside of the Scriptures ... Loving Natalee is the most inspirational books I have ever read in a long time.  Beth Holloway is so real.  This amazing classy woman teaches us all that ... with faith and the support of good people ... we can remain strong as we endure the storms of our lives.

Have a good Saturday day Monkeys.  Remember to "count your blessings ... name them one by one ..."

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 03:44:49 PM
Keepthefaith

I have a library (boxes LOL) of wonderful reading but ... outside of the Scriptures ... Loving Natalee is the most inspirational books I have ever read in a long time.  Beth Holloway is so real.  This amazing classy woman teaches us all that ... with faith and the support of good people ... we can remain strong as we endure the storms of our lives.

Have a good Saturday day Monkeys.  Remember to "count your blessings ... name them one by one ..."

Janet



Thank You Janet!You do the same.Sure you're enjoying the beautiful weather... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on May 30, 2009, 03:57:35 PM


Good job KTF, I'm impressed!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Wreck & San have tried for quite some time.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: I figured it was time to take the training wheels off and become a BIG MONKEY... ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

And you did it in such a big way  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 04:04:22 PM
Keepthefaith

I have a library (boxes LOL) of wonderful reading but ... outside of the Scriptures ... Loving Natalee is the most inspirational books I have ever read in a long time.  Beth Holloway is so real.  This amazing classy woman teaches us all that ... with faith and the support of good people ... we can remain strong as we endure the storms of our lives.

Have a good Saturday day Monkeys.  Remember to "count your blessings ... name them one by one ..."

Janet



Thank You Janet!You do the same.Sure you're enjoying the beautiful weather... ::MonkeyDance::

 ::cartwheel::

Keepthefaith ... I am about to do that very thing.

Believe it or not ... hubby and I are going to ride bikes with youngest son and wife on a path that borders the mighty muddy Fraser River.  Daughter or SIL will pick us all up at some point.  We will have dinner at their home and will be driven back to our home later tonight.

I hope hubby and Imake it that far.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This is so crazy.  Hubby and I have not ridden our bikes for two years but a couple days ago he invited us to join the kids for an Saturday afternoon bike ride to daughter's home.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Hubby spent the past two days making sure every is OK.  My bike needed a couple of parts so I told hubby when he was at the shop to pick me up some training wheels ... I might have forgotten how to ride.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
1:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 04:19:25 PM


Good job KTF, I'm impressed!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Wreck & San have tried for quite some time.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: I figured it was time to take the training wheels off and become a BIG MONKEY... ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

And you did it in such a big way  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes he did!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 04:42:45 PM


Good job KTF, I'm impressed!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Wreck & San have tried for quite some time.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: I figured it was time to take the training wheels off and become a BIG MONKEY... ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


And you did it in such a big way  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I always felt the support thought! ::MonkeyHaHa::

You can delete my previous post!TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2009, 04:48:09 PM
ME THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A MUPPET SHOW.......

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I have been trying to make the "pyramid" scroll!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 04:52:15 PM
ME THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A MUPPET SHOW.......

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
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I have been trying to make the "pyramid" scroll!  ::MonkeyDevil::

::MonkeyDance::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: It worked!  ::cartwheel::

I couldn't tell in the preview...all the monkeys weren't showing up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 04:55:14 PM
::MonkeyDance:: It worked!  ::cartwheel::

I couldn't tell in the preview...all the monkeys weren't showing up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's awesome! ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 04:58:24 PM
::MonkeyDance:: It worked!  ::cartwheel::

I couldn't tell in the preview...all the monkeys weren't showing up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's awesome! ::cartwheel::

It was ALL wreck's idea...if I get in trouble!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
::MonkeyDance:: It worked!  ::cartwheel::

I couldn't tell in the preview...all the monkeys weren't showing up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's awesome! ::cartwheel::

It was ALL wreck's idea...if I get in trouble!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyDevil::
The "sideways" works!! When you do the "upright" one it messes up the "centering"!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 05:16:05 PM
Booshi Wever...what a joke!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57351.php

Google translation:

Aruba


"Bijleveld and support CDA Aruban opposition '


May 30, 2009, 16:57 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - In a seven-page letter noting the Lower House, the Minister Booshi Wever (MEP) reacted with outrage to the letter of State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) in which they are required to investigate maladministration in Aruba advocates. Weaver accuses her and her party "political advantage" to want to achieve for CDA's partner, opposition party AVP.

Earlier Prime Minister Nelson Oduber had already ontvallen Netherlands that the upcoming elections seem to want to influence. Weaver alleges in the letter openly Bijleveld that they are "inlet with pure Aruban affairs' or the election. In addition, he CDA 'first hand look' before stabbing must Aruba 'to accuse of irregularities. This is because the party Mito Croes on the kieslijst for the European Elections has put while it never has distanced from the corruption in the AVP-ago. Weaver refers to the case against former Minister of Finance, Tico Croes, who was convicted for accepting bribes and malpractices in the project Fondo Desaroyo Nobo San Nicolas. "He is so guilty of corruption," said the minister. Croes was then part of the AVP-Cabinet as Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba. "He can also associate in the case called," says Weaver. And since CDA also aware of the corruption should have been with the Minister in the letter, condemned the praises Dutch political party has "the dubious luxury 'to Croes at kieslijst them.

In the rest of the letter point by Wever in the remarks that Secretary Bijleveld in its letter of May 25 to the Second Chamber. They let him show that the State has no authority to bring an investigation. Moreover, the government relied on the person not be objectively established facts, "from an informal gossip circuit ', which is based on the Statute of the Kingdom are not sustained, says Weaver. "There is no need for such a measure, because there has been an intolerable situation on the basis of Article 43, paragraph 2 of the Statute," Weaver writes. He acknowledges that the law requires equal partners within the Kingdom, but not all equal and therefore the deal on the basis of respect is important. The proposed investigation Bijleveld qualifies it as unauthorized because there was no legal basis for it. "But the target does enormous damage to the country Aruba and the situation in the Kingdom."

The Minister is further unfortunate that the State does not mention the progress of cooperation lines between the two countries on law enforcement and immigration chain. There are concrete agreements, he writes, but with "the necessary trust space and time 'to eventually be given to the fruit to be reaped. He does Bijleveld that at certain points in the path of improving the strangers Chain still not going well or the execution is delayed, as' difficult 'communication as the computerization of different government still not link. Weaver believes that the Second Chamber Bijleveld also have reported that the management of change in the hands of a decision made by the Netherlands procesmanager. That discretion in the granting of residence permits, he points out. The procedures are clear, said the minister referring to the website that the admission policy and the law have been published.
 
The State still has finally decided otherwise, indicates, according to Weaver on a bad relationship from the Netherlands Kingdom. "The question that still arises is whether the State has sufficient knowledge of the dossier Aruba." Wever Bijleveld has a short letter sent with the letter attached to the Second Chamber.

 

Passport Issuance
Minister Wever cites the recent decision to issue passports only to the Office of the Governor to be no 'fair play'. The government, now only show decided this because checks showed that the security of travel documents at the Registry Office (Censoring) not properly done. Weaver does not agree with the decision because all began with a plan to the public administration 'reliable' to, in cooperation with the Netherlands. "It is a decision with far-reaching implications since the integrity of the Civil Status and the country Aruba fundamentally away." He wonders if there is doubt about the legality of issuing travel documents. At this moment there is consultation between Censoring and the Cabinet. According to Weaver, the commitment to the issue is to keep Censo, but under the supervision of the Cabinet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 30, 2009, 09:25:53 PM
Ta da!
I have been locked out and Klaas had to fix it for me.

I know ya'll have missed me. ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is a sad day today. ::MonkeyWaa::
My heart aches for Natalee and her family
God bless them all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 09:38:16 PM
Ta da!
I have been locked out and Klaas had to fix it for me.

I know ya'll have missed me. ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is a sad day today. ::MonkeyWaa::
My heart aches for Natalee and her family
God bless them all.

I've been missing you Magnolia! I'm glad you're back!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Yes, it is a very sad day today.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 30, 2009, 09:44:02 PM
Hi Ya Monkeys....Magnolia I have been getting locked out too.....I'm Glad You are Back!


TM..I need a favor could You please go to Natalee thread #815 to reply 90 by Lifesong and bring that map to the Oil and Gas Thread for Me....TIA  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 30, 2009, 09:44:58 PM
We need some news! ::MonkeyDance::

When is that Jaap guy going to do the show with the results of Joran's lie dectector test?

I don't think I would put much faith in the results, but it would be interesting to hear. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 30, 2009, 09:47:59 PM
We need some news! ::MonkeyDance::

When is that Jaap guy going to do the show with the results of Joran's lie dectector test?

I don't think I would put much faith in the results, but it would be interesting to hear. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Good Question Magnolia....I was wondering about that Jaap Show this morning...We haven't heard anymore about it that I'm aware of....  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 09:48:25 PM
Hi Ya Monkeys....Magnolia I have been getting locked out too.....I'm Glad You are Back!


TM..I need a favor could You please go to Natalee thread #815 to reply 90 by Lifesong and bring that map to the Oil and Gas Thread for Me....TIA  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

I'm on my way!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 09:50:49 PM
We need some news! ::MonkeyDance::

When is that Jaap guy going to do the show with the results of Joran's lie dectector test?

I don't think I would put much faith in the results, but it would be interesting to hear. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Good Question Magnolia....I was wondering about that Jaap Show this morning...We haven't heard anymore about it that I'm aware of....  ::MonkeyNoNo::

GBMW posted recently that negotiations are still in progress for a show.  Not much, but I guess it's still in the works!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 30, 2009, 10:05:56 PM
Hi Ya Monkeys....Magnolia I have been getting locked out too.....I'm Glad You are Back!


TM..I need a favor could You please go to Natalee thread #815 to reply 90 by Lifesong and bring that map to the Oil and Gas Thread for Me....TIA  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

I'm on my way!   ::MonkeyWink::
You're Awesome....Thanks Again!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 10:10:01 PM
Hi Ya Monkeys....Magnolia I have been getting locked out too.....I'm Glad You are Back!


TM..I need a favor could You please go to Natalee thread #815 to reply 90 by Lifesong and bring that map to the Oil and Gas Thread for Me....TIA  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

I'm on my way!   ::MonkeyWink::
You're Awesome....Thanks Again!  ::MonkeyWink::

You're welcome Hotping!  Glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 30, 2009, 10:20:44 PM
We need some news! ::MonkeyDance::

When is that Jaap guy going to do the show with the results of Joran's lie dectector test?

I don't think I would put much faith in the results, but it would be interesting to hear. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Good Question Magnolia....I was wondering about that Jaap Show this morning...We haven't heard anymore about it that I'm aware of....  ::MonkeyNoNo::

GBMW posted recently that negotiations are still in progress for a show.  Not much, but I guess it's still in the works!
It should be interesting....if ever shows!  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 10:25:35 PM
We need some news! ::MonkeyDance::

When is that Jaap guy going to do the show with the results of Joran's lie dectector test?

I don't think I would put much faith in the results, but it would be interesting to hear. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Good Question Magnolia....I was wondering about that Jaap Show this morning...We haven't heard anymore about it that I'm aware of....  ::MonkeyNoNo::

GBMW posted recently that negotiations are still in progress for a show.  Not much, but I guess it's still in the works!
It should be interesting....if ever shows!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I agree.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 10:40:06 PM
This is all I've found so far in the online Aruba papers.

Natalee's name mentioned once. 

Maybe there was more in the hard copies of the daily papers, I can hope. ::MonkeyWink::

5/30/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05302009AweMaintaPg7.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion of society civil y funcionamento democratico owing to become necesario for cambio structural of country aruba

the news cu secretario of estado ank bijleveld-schouten owing to arrive at acuerdo cu eerste y tweede kamer for cu one investigacion amplio y deep of gobernacion of aruba y provided that particular funcionamento of estado of derecho owing to cause very much discusion in seno of comunidad. mature is cu thing owing to conduci ne sharp culminante here at where the netherlands, ehecutando his duty for salvaguardia funcionamento of estado of derecho, freedom y derechonan civil y human, is one proceso largo in cual great part of we comunidad for aas largo, even decadas owing to neglisha of asumi his responsibilidad y interveni.

the partnernan social, siendo gremio sindical y gremio comercial always had more interest in asunto economico y/of financiero, esta in practica is salary, beneficio secundario, asunto fiscal (bbo) tarifa of water y coriente y coin for promove turism was the temanan principal for tanto sindicato because; gremio comercial, in time of abundancia, esta the period of 1989 till cu 1999, corupcion y miss of transparencia in gobernacion not was asunto of much interest. all trahador at aruba was cobra end of month, sindicato y comercio not had pakico for atende asunto of good gobernacion.

this also te razon cu although owing to saca raport calidad y at 1999 owing to introduci legislacion cu is as gobernantenan civilmente responsible for consecuencianan financiero of decisionnan take cu is perhudica the country aruba, corupcion y good gobernacion never was exercise like at aruba. owing to introduci lar y landsverordening openbaarheid van bestuur, but owing to neglisha introduci ombudsman. not owing to introduci biblioteca y presupuesto for parliament can funciona debidamente y algemene rekenkamer y centrale accountantsdienst awendia de facto barely is funciona.

did take 11 september 2001, the caso of natalee holloway y the crisis financiero global of october 2008, of cual now numa is feel the repercusionnan at aruba, for frena the actitud of live owing to la avestruz, igorando the cancer cu by 1999 cu racetrack owing to cuminza crece in we comunidad y cu now have we country at rand of abyss, esta corupcion. de the ultimo 10 year is much was the instancianan cu owing to briya for they silencio y/of complicidad of ignora or worse tolera corupcion for clean razonan of beneficio personal economico! great part of we comunidad is infecta pe virus of coin. much aruban is entrega they integridad, proud, honor y dignidad enough cu the suma in the envelop on or bao table is sufficient big for silencia the consenshi.

sindicato, gremio comercial, organisacionan no-gubernamental, incluyendo esnan cu is defende derecho of person muher, child, derecho human, y another gruponan faint in we comunidad owing to sucumbi for coin, y owing to entrega soul y consenshi, y more important they integridad! we country is in one decadencia overall y for trece cambio structural not can punta finger on the gobierno actual of mep only! fiscal, fiscal parent, huez, comisario of police aruban y dutch all is complice in the proceso cu owing to place aruba in the situation actual.

this also is count ; for legio another gremio, perfect of school, educador, instructor of sport, provided that end all the profesionalnan cu owing to gradua in they ramo of trabao, y cu never owing to compronde the compromiso social, y duty moral for aporta at enculca in we future generacionan the principionan of integridad, honor, dignidad y love for prohimo y respet for ley y autoridad! is facil for punta finger on politiconan of one color, siendo cu generally all politico here at aruba is practica the same politica old, y is facil for give culpa at some comerciante only, cu porcierto have power economico big, of is cumpra politiconan cu coin of campaa, siendo cu in practica much comerciante diminutive daily also is contribui at corupcion by of they comportamento.

the division of rainbow warriors international, calling corruptionwatch aruba will propone at the netherlands for give sosten at investigacion of we society civil y the funcionamento democratico provided that general, cual two investigacion will have to trece claridad on the deficiencianan actual cu is stroba we country in his proceso of "nation building" y for become one nacion cu estabilidad social.

milton ponson, president
rainbow warriors core foundation
(rainbow warriors international)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 30, 2009, 10:54:06 PM
Birmingham television is saying at intervals:

" A community remembers Natalee Holloway four years after her disappearance at 10:00."

I'll tell ya'll what they say, but I don't expect anything new.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
Birmingham television is saying at intervals:

" A community remembers Natalee Holloway four years after her disappearance at 10:00."

I'll tell ya'll what they say, but I don't expect anything new.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 30, 2009, 11:08:31 PM
Well not anything new......CBS42 interviewed several people in Mountain Brook Village.

Allen Yielding said that he was fortunate enough to have known Natalee....his daughter was
Natalee's friend.  He said that he still misses Natalee.  He was driving his daughter's car and
it had a yellow ribbon on it, which he pointed out.

Another lady said that she didn't understand why Aruba couldn't provide closure for Natalee's family.

Then they said that Aruba was still affected by the Holloway case.  They showed empty beaches.
Said that the case is still open and Aruban prosecutors say that they get new leads nearly every week.

That's all folks. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 11:12:12 PM
Well not anything new......CBS42 interviewed several people in Mountain Brook Village.

Allen Yielding said that he was fortunate enough to have known Natalee....his daughter was
Natalee's friend.  He said that he still misses Natalee.  He was driving his daughter's car and
it had a yellow ribbon on it, which he pointed out.

Another lady said that she didn't understand why Aruba couldn't provide closure for Natalee's family.

Then they said that Aruba was still affected by the Holloway case.  They showed empty beaches.
Said that the case is still open and Aruban prosecutors say that they get new leads nearly every week.

That's all folks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Magnolia!  You're the best!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 11:12:48 PM
Well not anything new......CBS42 interviewed several people in Mountain Brook Village.

Allen Yielding said that he was fortunate enough to have known Natalee....his daughter was
Natalee's friend.  He said that he still misses Natalee.  He was driving his daughter's car and
it had a yellow ribbon on it, which he pointed out.

Another lady said that she didn't understand why Aruba couldn't provide closure for Natalee's family.

Then they said that Aruba was still affected by the Holloway case.  They showed empty beaches.
Said that the case is still open and Aruban prosecutors say that they get new leads nearly every week.

That's all folks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure those leads come from CapsLockGizzard and his harem of miscreants.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 30, 2009, 11:22:09 PM
i wonder who is the boss of the CapsLockGizzard.  Who does Mark Purcell take orders from?
Does Vrojlik boss MIP6 around?  I'll bet he does. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 11:32:24 PM
i wonder who is the boss of the CapsLockGizzard.  Who does Mark Purcell take orders from?
Does Vrojlik boss MIP6 around?  I'll bet he does. ::MonkeyDevil::

::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 11:33:55 PM
My little display pointed where they're all headed one of these days!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 11:34:58 PM
i wonder who is the boss of the CapsLockGizzard.  Who does Mark Purcell take orders from?
Does Vrojlik boss MIP6 around?  I'll bet he does. ::MonkeyDevil::

It would be interesting to know who is the orchestrator of these inhumane P.O.S..I truly have never seen anything so inhumane From the day Natalee Holloway was raped and murdered till the present day!From a country.A country.A country has denied justice for Natalee Holloway to protect the EVIL that exists and it directly points to PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT and MONEY LAUNDERING..How many Politicians in the Netherlands have dummy companies set up in Aruba courtesy of the EVIL PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT!Now that is what Peter R Devries needs to be investigating... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
Good Night All.

Janet
8:40 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2009, 11:41:16 PM
Good Night All.

Janet
8:40 PM PT

I'm glad to see you back Janet, I've been thinking about you on that bike all day!

But I see you made it o.k.  Thank goodness!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Janet!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 30, 2009, 11:42:36 PM
Good Night All.

Janet
8:40 PM PT

Good Night, Janet.  Guess you're tuckered out from bike riding....I know you'll rest up and be back with your reminders. 

 ::MonkeyAngel:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 30, 2009, 11:44:18 PM
GoodNight Janet..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 30, 2009, 11:46:55 PM
Magnolia,

Good to see you.  Sorry you were locked out.....   ::MonkeyWaa::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2009, 11:52:40 PM
Good Night All.

Janet
8:40 PM PT

I'm glad to see you back Janet, I've been thinking about you on that bike all day!

But I see you made it o.k.  Thank goodness!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Janet!



texasmom

I was not looking forward to this day one little bit.  When hubby told me earlier in the week  that he had invited us along for the bike ride ... I told him to grow up.  I also told him that when he when snowboarding with sons this past winter.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ... surprisingly I had a great day.  Three hours of easy biking for the most part  with trees on either side for shade and then ... a shower ... change of clothes and ... a bbq at daughter's home topped the day off.  The Grandkids could not believe that Mama and Papa had biked most of the way to their home.

I am very tired right now but feeling good but ... I have a feeling I may be a little stiff ... sore ... tomorrow.

I hope you had a good day.

Magnolia ... did you see me waving at ya across the border while you were visiting Washington State.  I bet you never once took out that sweater from your grip ... the sweater you knitted lickity split prior to the trip.  The temperatures soared to almost 80 degree today.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:03:12 AM
Good Night All.

Janet
8:40 PM PT

I'm glad to see you back Janet, I've been thinking about you on that bike all day!

But I see you made it o.k.  Thank goodness!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Janet!



texasmom

I was not looking forward to this day one little bit.  When hubby told me earlier in the week  that he had invited us along for the bike ride ... I told him to grow up.  I also told him that when he when snowboarding with sons this past winter.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ... surprisingly I had a great day.  Three hours of easy biking for the most part  with trees on either side for shade and then ... a shower ... change of clothes and ... a bbq at daughter's home topped the day off.  The Grandkids could not believe that Mama and Papa had biked most of the way to their home.

I am very tired right now but feeling good but ... I have a feeling I may be a little stiff ... sore ... tomorrow.

I hope you had a good day.

Magnolia ... did you see me waving at ya across the border while you were visiting Washington State.  I bet you never once took out that sweater from your grip ... the sweater you knitted lickity split prior to the trip.  The temperatures soared to almost 80 degree today.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I'm glad you had a great time Janet!  My day was pretty good too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 12:25:08 AM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:37:23 AM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 12:41:24 AM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 01:35:45 AM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.    ::MonkeyConfused::

I guess I was out of the loop on that one too!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 01:37:09 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2009, 01:50:26 AM
Thank you Texasmom!

NATALEE - We won't forget..we won't give up!  We'll continue to seek justice!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 01:58:51 AM
Thank you Texasmom!

NATALEE - We won't forget..we won't give up!  We'll continue to seek justice!

You're welcome....and AMEN!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 02:24:12 AM
Thank you Texasmom!

NATALEE - We won't forget..we won't give up!  We'll continue to seek justice!

KTF..Give up...Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.....NEVER!Suck on that ARuba...Hope it was OK BillB! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 02:40:57 AM


Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

KTF!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 31, 2009, 02:49:25 AM
Thank you Texasmom!

NATALEE - We won't forget..we won't give up!  We'll continue to seek justice!

KTF..Give up...Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.....NEVER!Suck on that ARuba...Hope it was OK BillB! ::MonkeyAngel::
aruba made their own bed.....they will be tied to  Natalee and the negative publicity due to the cover up of the crimes against Natalee...and the total disrespect towards Justice for Beth and Dave.
Surely, those responsible will rot in hell! Not just the primary perps...paulass, j2k, anita...but also the OM's, renho, purcells, american traitors, nels, rudy, ale and the caps crowd.....tacopinis...
Oh sure...they will all have excuses/take no accountability......but come judgment day...there is NO hiding....
I HATE THEM ALL.....
Sleep Suck on THAT...aruba! ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 31, 2009, 02:52:26 AM
Ktf....
Magic surprised me.....No supporting cast for Lebron....
Maybe next season if management will provide the cast...
in the meantime....It's Lakers TIME....GOOOO KOBE...The MAN.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 31, 2009, 02:53:21 AM


Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

KTF!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Why, Hello Ms. TM.....
Love your posts!    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:00:33 AM


Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

KTF!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Why, Hello Ms. TM.....
Love your posts!    ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Mr. billb!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I appreciate you and KTF saying what I want to say sometimes...but usually won't unless I'm really...really mad!

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:02:50 AM
Thank you Texasmom!

NATALEE - We won't forget..we won't give up!  We'll continue to seek justice!

KTF..Give up...Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.....NEVER!Suck on that ARuba...Hope it was OK BillB! ::MonkeyAngel::
aruba made their own bed.....they will be tied to  Natalee and the negative publicity due to the cover up of the crimes against Natalee...and the total disrespect towards Justice for Beth and Dave.
Surely, those responsible will rot in hell! Not just the primary perps...paulass, j2k, anita...but also the OM's, renho, purcells, american traitors, nels, rudy, ale and the caps crowd.....tacopinis...
Oh sure...they will all have excuses/take no accountability......but come judgment day...there is NO hiding....
I HATE THEM ALL.....
Sleep Suck on THAT...aruba! ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyDance::


::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:03:48 AM
Ktf....
Magic surprised me.....No supporting cast for Lebron....
Maybe next season if management will provide the cast...
in the meantime....It's Lakers TIME....GOOOO KOBE...The MAN.... ::MonkeyCool::

LA VS ORLANDO will be a great series!I don't think anyone can stop Kobe if he's on..I do believe the Ring is there for LA's taking...LA in Six!I'm sounding like BillB..O'Lord.Who woulda thought! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 31, 2009, 03:03:55 AM
Gotta wonder how sick and deep this cover up goes....paulass is a little scared running man.....WHO seems to control a lot of very high up officials not only on aruba...but specifically in the Netherlands..
What a SICK group of $hits they are!...That they would go to these extremes in the face of world condemnation... to protect paulass and hence j2k.
aruba is hosed by a civil servant and lets him get away with doing 'whatever he can to protect urine'...
UNBELIEVABLE...the powers that be have screwed the whole working class on that POS Hellhole island, rather than doing the RIGHT THING!...JUSTICE FOR NATALEE...Did I mention? UNBELIEVABLE! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 31, 2009, 03:05:39 AM
Ktf....
Magic surprised me.....No supporting cast for Lebron....
Maybe next season if management will provide the cast...
in the meantime....It's Lakers TIME....GOOOO KOBE...The MAN.... ::MonkeyCool::

LA VS ORLANDO will be a great series!I don't think anyone can stop Kobe if he's on..I do believe the Ring is there for LA's taking...LA in Six!I'm sounding like BillB..O'Lord.Who woulda thought! ::MonkeyDevil::
Not to worry KTF...
We BOTH sound like billb! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:06:42 AM
Thank you Texasmom!

NATALEE - We won't forget..we won't give up!  We'll continue to seek justice!

KTF..Give up...Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.....NEVER!Suck on that ARuba...Hope it was OK BillB! ::MonkeyAngel::
aruba made their own bed.....they will be tied to  Natalee and the negative publicity due to the cover up of the crimes against Natalee...and the total disrespect towards Justice for Beth and Dave.
Surely, those responsible will rot in hell! Not just the primary perps...paulass, j2k, anita...but also the OM's, renho, purcells, american traitors, nels, rudy, ale and the caps crowd.....tacopinis...
Oh sure...they will all have excuses/take no accountability......but come judgment day...there is NO hiding....
I HATE THEM ALL.....
Sleep Suck on THAT...aruba! ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyDance::

They will try i'm sure.Looking down from the Heavens above,i'm sure a certain someone will see Paulus and the Perps with their azzes in the air while their heads are in the molten lava,so to speak...Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:09:23 AM


Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

KTF!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Why, Hello Ms. TM.....
Love your posts!    ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Mr. billb!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I appreciate you and KTF saying what I want to say sometimes...but usually won't unless I'm really...really mad!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Hey BillB.Whatta ya say we fire up TM a little more... ::MonkeyLaugh:: By the way TM.I've been seeing you get a little more fired up lately! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:10:41 AM
Gotta wonder how sick and deep this cover up goes....paulass is a little scared running man.....WHO seems to control a lot of very high up officials not only on aruba...but specifically in the Netherlands..
What a SICK group of $hits they are!...That they would go to these extremes in the face of world condemnation... to protect paulass and hence j2k.
aruba is hosed by a civil servant and lets him get away with doing 'whatever he can to protect urine'...
UNBELIEVABLE...the powers that be have screwed the whole working class on that POS Hellhole island, rather than doing the RIGHT THING!...JUSTICE FOR NATALEE...Did I mention? UNBELIEVABLE! 

Just wait until you read the article I'm going to post shortly that was in Solo di Pueblo...
Apparently Nel is blaming the entire population (or those that vote anyway)for everything that's wrong in Aruba.
Maybe he's been reading here?  ::MonkeyWink::
Or maybe he's looking for somebody else to blame for all the corrupt asses in that Government?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:10:55 AM
BILLB's new Nickname on Scared Monkey's...Black Mamba Jr.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:11:29 AM
Thank you Texasmom!

NATALEE - We won't forget..we won't give up!  We'll continue to seek justice!

KTF..Give up...Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.....NEVER!Suck on that ARuba...Hope it was OK BillB! ::MonkeyAngel::
aruba made their own bed.....they will be tied to  Natalee and the negative publicity due to the cover up of the crimes against Natalee...and the total disrespect towards Justice for Beth and Dave.
Surely, those responsible will rot in hell! Not just the primary perps...paulass, j2k, anita...but also the OM's, renho, purcells, american traitors, nels, rudy, ale and the caps crowd.....tacopinis...
Oh sure...they will all have excuses/take no accountability......but come judgment day...there is NO hiding....
I HATE THEM ALL.....
Sleep Suck on THAT...aruba! ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyDance::

They will try i'm sure.Looking down from the Heavens above,i'm sure a certain someone will see Paulus and the Perps with their azzes in the air while their heads are in the molten lava,so to speak...Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:12:43 AM
Gotta wonder how sick and deep this cover up goes....paulass is a little scared running man.....WHO seems to control a lot of very high up officials not only on aruba...but specifically in the Netherlands..
What a SICK group of $hits they are!...That they would go to these extremes in the face of world condemnation... to protect paulass and hence j2k.
aruba is hosed by a civil servant and lets him get away with doing 'whatever he can to protect urine'...
UNBELIEVABLE...the powers that be have screwed the whole working class on that POS Hellhole island, rather than doing the RIGHT THING!...JUSTICE FOR NATALEE...Did I mention? UNBELIEVABLE! 

Just wait until you read the article I'm going to post shortly that was in Solo di Pueblo...
Apparently Nel is blaming the entire population (or those that vote anyway)for everything that's wrong in Aruba.
Maybe he's been reading here?  ::MonkeyWink::
Or maybe he's looking for somebody else to blame for all the corrupt asses in that Government?

Hopefully the heat in the kitchen is getting to much to bear for the Lil'Oduber.. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 31, 2009, 03:13:17 AM
Thank you Texasmom!

NATALEE - We won't forget..we won't give up!  We'll continue to seek justice!

KTF..Give up...Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.....NEVER!Suck on that ARuba...Hope it was OK BillB! ::MonkeyAngel::
aruba made their own bed.....they will be tied to  Natalee and the negative publicity due to the cover up of the crimes against Natalee...and the total disrespect towards Justice for Beth and Dave.
Surely, those responsible will rot in hell! Not just the primary perps...paulass, j2k, anita...but also the OM's, renho, purcells, american traitors, nels, rudy, ale and the caps crowd.....tacopinis...
Oh sure...they will all have excuses/take no accountability......but come judgment day...there is NO hiding....
I HATE THEM ALL.....
Sleep Suck on THAT...aruba! ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyDance::

They will try i'm sure.Looking down from the Heavens above,i'm sure a certain someone will see Paulus and the Perps with their azzes in the air while their heads are in the molten lava,so to speak...Just sayin! ::MonkeyDevil::
I wonder how the perps cover up crew would score on the Dante's Inferno test...
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

"Through me the way into the suffering city,
Through me the way to the eternal pain,
Through me the way that runs among the lost.
Justice urged on my high artificer;
My maker was divine authority,
The highest wisdom, and the primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things were made,
And I endure eternally.
Abandon every hope, ye who enter here."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2009, 03:19:14 AM
Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why ::MonkeyRoll::  ...lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on May 31, 2009, 03:19:53 AM
Good Night billb, texasmom, Keepthefaith and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2009, 03:20:40 AM
Good Night billb, texasmom, Keepthefaith and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner!

Good Night billb!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:23:47 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

5/28/2009 Solo di Pueblo Page 7

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05282009SoloDiPuebloPg7.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

according first minister sr. nel oduber: the carta of sra. ank bijleveld in tweede kamer is much acusante, decepcionante y without base!

sta. cruz -- the carta is much decepcionante, acusante y without base. day cu one gobierno of one country of 16 miyon person is work owing to base of redashi, on they of cu the of, cu i have hear, geruchten. the parlamentarionan dutch owing to come aruba y they owing to talk cu atia, camara of comercio, ahata y fta, y owing to talk cu avp y red. if 22.000 aruban cu owing to vote for mep is corupto, everybody at aruba, according avp, faction redashi y dutch of eerste y tweede kamer y sra. bijleveld, cu we at aruba is corupto,  sr. oduber is menciona cu the will wanted tell will next.  bayendo on the contenido of the carta, os is hendenan aruban proud, we not have neither mansur neither de veer, none family is send in mep. mep is one faction of people y we do not depende of none person cu is dicidi for we. we, none person is cumpra function of minister in faction, none negociante is negocia posicion on list. we is one faction of people, for people y cu people. is the votador, we people is dicidi kico is happen in the faction here. avp cu the faction redashi know cu they do not earn the eleccion. the unique form is ban soil name of arubianonan at the netherlands y as take away one cantidad of redo. hour cu the netherlands is acusa cu husticia at aruba do not funciona, cu ministerio publico y police do not funciona, is hulandesnan!! that is boss of police at aruba? first was sr. jan van der straten, one dutch european y now is sr. peter de witte, cu owing to end of prolonga his contract, basa on one protocol cu the netherlands y have several dutch in cuerpo of police cu is come for help. sr. oduber owing to ask about that owing to stick the barco of natalee? was have three dutch envolvi: sra. karin jansen, hoofdofficier, jan van der straten y family van der sloot, cu owing to let name of aruba at werki, cu owing to wordo lastra all caminda y the netherlands not owing to saca of one finger.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:24:06 AM
Good Night billb, texasmom, Keepthefaith and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner!


GoodNight Billb.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:24:53 AM
Good Night billb, texasmom, Keepthefaith and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner!


Good Night billb!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:26:05 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

5/28/2009 Solo di Pueblo Page 7

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05282009SoloDiPuebloPg7.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

according first minister sr. nel oduber: the carta of sra. ank bijleveld in tweede kamer is much acusante, decepcionante y without base!

sta. cruz -- the carta is much decepcionante, acusante y without base. day cu one gobierno of one country of 16 miyon person is work owing to base of redashi, on they of cu the of, cu i have hear, geruchten. the parlamentarionan dutch owing to come aruba y they owing to talk cu atia, camara of comercio, ahata y fta, y owing to talk cu avp y red. if 22.000 aruban cu owing to vote for mep is corupto, everybody at aruba, according avp, faction redashi y dutch of eerste y tweede kamer y sra. bijleveld, cu we at aruba is corupto,  sr. oduber is menciona cu the will wanted tell will next.  bayendo on the contenido of the carta, os is hendenan aruban proud, we not have neither mansur neither de veer, none family is send in mep. mep is one faction of people y we do not depende of none person cu is dicidi for we. we, none person is cumpra function of minister in faction, none negociante is negocia posicion on list. we is one faction of people, for people y cu people. is the votador, we people is dicidi kico is happen in the faction here. avp cu the faction redashi know cu they do not earn the eleccion. the unique form is ban soil name of arubianonan at the netherlands y as take away one cantidad of redo. hour cu the netherlands is acusa cu husticia at aruba do not funciona, cu ministerio publico y police do not funciona, is hulandesnan!! that is boss of police at aruba? first was sr. jan van der straten, one dutch european y now is sr. peter de witte, cu owing to end of prolonga his contract, basa on one protocol cu the netherlands y have several dutch in cuerpo of police cu is come for help. sr. oduber owing to ask about that owing to stick the barco of natalee? was have three dutch envolvi: sra. karin jansen, hoofdofficier, jan van der straten y family van der sloot, cu owing to let name of aruba at werki, cu owing to wordo lastra all caminda y the netherlands not owing to saca of one finger.

Would love to know what he is sayin about Janssen,Van Der Straten and Van Der sloot...They are the three most responsible for the cover-up??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2009, 03:27:42 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

5/28/2009 Solo di Pueblo Page 7

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05282009SoloDiPuebloPg7.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

according first minister sr. nel oduber: the carta of sra. ank bijleveld in tweede kamer is much acusante, decepcionante y without base!

sta. cruz -- the carta is much decepcionante, acusante y without base. day cu one gobierno of one country of 16 miyon person is work owing to base of redashi, on they of cu the of, cu i have hear, geruchten. the parlamentarionan dutch owing to come aruba y they owing to talk cu atia, camara of comercio, ahata y fta, y owing to talk cu avp y red. if 22.000 aruban cu owing to vote for mep is corupto, everybody at aruba, according avp, faction redashi y dutch of eerste y tweede kamer y sra. bijleveld, cu we at aruba is corupto,  sr. oduber is menciona cu the will wanted tell will next.  bayendo on the contenido of the carta, os is hendenan aruban proud, we not have neither mansur neither de veer, none family is send in mep. mep is one faction of people y we do not depende of none person cu is dicidi for we. we, none person is cumpra function of minister in faction, none negociante is negocia posicion on list. we is one faction of people, for people y cu people. is the votador, we people is dicidi kico is happen in the faction here. avp cu the faction redashi know cu they do not earn the eleccion. the unique form is ban soil name of arubianonan at the netherlands y as take away one cantidad of redo. hour cu the netherlands is acusa cu husticia at aruba do not funciona, cu ministerio publico y police do not funciona, is hulandesnan!! that is boss of police at aruba? first was sr. jan van der straten, one dutch european y now is sr. peter de witte, cu owing to end of prolonga his contract, basa on one protocol cu the netherlands y have several dutch in cuerpo of police cu is come for help. sr. oduber owing to ask about that owing to stick the barco of natalee? was have three dutch envolvi: sra. karin jansen, hoofdofficier, jan van der straten y family van der sloot, cu owing to let name of aruba at werki, cu owing to wordo lastra all caminda y the netherlands not owing to saca of one finger.
He is a Dumbass! Open Mouth insert foot! Keep talking Nel that's how We get to know You better!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:28:04 AM
Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why ::MonkeyRoll::  ...lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise


hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2009, 03:29:48 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

5/28/2009 Solo di Pueblo Page 7

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

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Papiamentu translation:

according first minister sr. nel oduber: the carta of sra. ank bijleveld in tweede kamer is much acusante, decepcionante y without base!

sta. cruz -- the carta is much decepcionante, acusante y without base. day cu one gobierno of one country of 16 miyon person is work owing to base of redashi, on they of cu the of, cu i have hear, geruchten. the parlamentarionan dutch owing to come aruba y they owing to talk cu atia, camara of comercio, ahata y fta, y owing to talk cu avp y red. if 22.000 aruban cu owing to vote for mep is corupto, everybody at aruba, according avp, faction redashi y dutch of eerste y tweede kamer y sra. bijleveld, cu we at aruba is corupto,  sr. oduber is menciona cu the will wanted tell will next.  bayendo on the contenido of the carta, os is hendenan aruban proud, we not have neither mansur neither de veer, none family is send in mep. mep is one faction of people y we do not depende of none person cu is dicidi for we. we, none person is cumpra function of minister in faction, none negociante is negocia posicion on list. we is one faction of people, for people y cu people. is the votador, we people is dicidi kico is happen in the faction here. avp cu the faction redashi know cu they do not earn the eleccion. the unique form is ban soil name of arubianonan at the netherlands y as take away one cantidad of redo. hour cu the netherlands is acusa cu husticia at aruba do not funciona, cu ministerio publico y police do not funciona, is hulandesnan!! that is boss of police at aruba? first was sr. jan van der straten, one dutch european y now is sr. peter de witte, cu owing to end of prolonga his contract, basa on one protocol cu the netherlands y have several dutch in cuerpo of police cu is come for help. sr. oduber owing to ask about that owing to stick the barco of natalee? was have three dutch envolvi: sra. karin jansen, hoofdofficier, jan van der straten y family van der sloot, cu owing to let name of aruba at werki, cu owing to wordo lastra all caminda y the netherlands not owing to saca of one finger.

Would love to know what he is sayin about Janssen,Van Der Straten and Van Der sloot...They are the three most responsible for the cover-up??
Yes it would be great to have a clearer translation!

Thank You TM!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:31:19 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

5/28/2009 Solo di Pueblo Page 7

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

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Papiamentu translation:

according first minister sr. nel oduber: the carta of sra. ank bijleveld in tweede kamer is much acusante, decepcionante y without base!

sta. cruz -- the carta is much decepcionante, acusante y without base. day cu one gobierno of one country of 16 miyon person is work owing to base of redashi, on they of cu the of, cu i have hear, geruchten. the parlamentarionan dutch owing to come aruba y they owing to talk cu atia, camara of comercio, ahata y fta, y owing to talk cu avp y red. if 22.000 aruban cu owing to vote for mep is corupto, everybody at aruba, according avp, faction redashi y dutch of eerste y tweede kamer y sra. bijleveld, cu we at aruba is corupto,  sr. oduber is menciona cu the will wanted tell will next.  bayendo on the contenido of the carta, os is hendenan aruban proud, we not have neither mansur neither de veer, none family is send in mep. mep is one faction of people y we do not depende of none person cu is dicidi for we. we, none person is cumpra function of minister in faction, none negociante is negocia posicion on list. we is one faction of people, for people y cu people. is the votador, we people is dicidi kico is happen in the faction here. avp cu the faction redashi know cu they do not earn the eleccion. the unique form is ban soil name of arubianonan at the netherlands y as take away one cantidad of redo. hour cu the netherlands is acusa cu husticia at aruba do not funciona, cu ministerio publico y police do not funciona, is hulandesnan!! that is boss of police at aruba? first was sr. jan van der straten, one dutch european y now is sr. peter de witte, cu owing to end of prolonga his contract, basa on one protocol cu the netherlands y have several dutch in cuerpo of police cu is come for help. sr. oduber owing to ask about that owing to stick the barco of natalee? was have three dutch envolvi: sra. karin jansen, hoofdofficier, jan van der straten y family van der sloot, cu owing to let name of aruba at werki, cu owing to wordo lastra all caminda y the netherlands not owing to saca of one finger.
He is a Dumbass! Open Mouth insert foot! Keep talking Nel that's how We get to know You better!  ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:31:36 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

5/28/2009 Solo di Pueblo Page 7

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

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Papiamentu translation:

according first minister sr. nel oduber: the carta of sra. ank bijleveld in tweede kamer is much acusante, decepcionante y without base!

sta. cruz -- the carta is much decepcionante, acusante y without base. day cu one gobierno of one country of 16 miyon person is work owing to base of redashi, on they of cu the of, cu i have hear, geruchten. the parlamentarionan dutch owing to come aruba y they owing to talk cu atia, camara of comercio, ahata y fta, y owing to talk cu avp y red. if 22.000 aruban cu owing to vote for mep is corupto, everybody at aruba, according avp, faction redashi y dutch of eerste y tweede kamer y sra. bijleveld, cu we at aruba is corupto,  sr. oduber is menciona cu the will wanted tell will next.  bayendo on the contenido of the carta, os is hendenan aruban proud, we not have neither mansur neither de veer, none family is send in mep. mep is one faction of people y we do not depende of none person cu is dicidi for we. we, none person is cumpra function of minister in faction, none negociante is negocia posicion on list. we is one faction of people, for people y cu people. is the votador, we people is dicidi kico is happen in the faction here. avp cu the faction redashi know cu they do not earn the eleccion. the unique form is ban soil name of arubianonan at the netherlands y as take away one cantidad of redo. hour cu the netherlands is acusa cu husticia at aruba do not funciona, cu ministerio publico y police do not funciona, is hulandesnan!! that is boss of police at aruba? first was sr. jan van der straten, one dutch european y now is sr. peter de witte, cu owing to end of prolonga his contract, basa on one protocol cu the netherlands y have several dutch in cuerpo of police cu is come for help. sr. oduber owing to ask about that owing to stick the barco of natalee? was have three dutch envolvi: sra. karin jansen, hoofdofficier, jan van der straten y family van der sloot, cu owing to let name of aruba at werki, cu owing to wordo lastra all caminda y the netherlands not owing to saca of one finger.

Would love to know what he is sayin about Janssen,Van Der Straten and Van Der sloot...They are the three most responsible for the cover-up??

IMO, He's saying they're DUTCH..so blame Holland for everything.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2009, 03:37:51 AM
Good Night TM and KTF! Have a Wonderful Sunday!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2009, 03:40:12 AM
Oops...Almost forgot to ask.....Do either of You know how to look up addresses in Aruba?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:41:05 AM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:41:41 AM
Oops...Almost forgot to ask.....Do either of You know how to look up addresses in Aruba?  ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight Hotping.You have a great Sunday as well!Addresses in Aruba.I don't!Sorry..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2009, 03:42:41 AM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Now That's Interesting!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:43:31 AM
Oops...Almost forgot to ask.....Do either of You know how to look up addresses in Aruba?  ::MonkeyCool::

The white pages, or that listing of that is I think of registered voters (I haven't used that in a while...I forget how to look it up).  I'll try to find it if you need me to.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:45:57 AM
This is the letter, Oduber is responding to.

5/27/2009 Awe Mainta Pages 10 & 11

http://awemainta.com/home/

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(I've used the translation that GBWM posted at BFN, to save adjusting the spacing on every line!) ::MonkeyWink::

Google translation:

31 568 Staatkundig process Netherlands Antilles

Nr. 38 Letter from the Secretary of the Interior and Kingdom Relations

The President of the Second Chamber of the States-General

Den Haag, May 25, 2009

In general agreement that I March 10, 2009 (Parliamentary 31568, nr.32) have with the Standing Committee for Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs, I pledged to the Court about the state of governance in Aruba. In this letter you will find my observations on the various authorities in the enforcement chain, and a reflection on the functioning of democracy. Furthermore ga I briefly reviews the state of affairs with regard to the Protocol'93 and reports of interest. I also take the opportunity to respond to the questions set by Ms Ortega-Martijn (Christian Union) following the leak of a week of the Dutch Representation in Aruba.

Before the content to go, I want the responsibility of the countries within the Kingdom of stress. Recalling Article 43, first paragraph, of the Statute, the countries responsible for the realization of fundamental rights and freedoms, legal certainty and the adequacy of the Board. In other words, it is primarily the task of Aruba to ensure a properly functioning law enforcement and governance chain. Only when these rights and freedoms, legal certainty and the adequacy of governance is not guaranteed, there is in such a task for the Kingdom to play on the basis of Article 43, second paragraph, of the Statute. Partly against this background, the Commission established for Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs questions relating to the State Board on Aruba. In answer to those questions, I believe that a combination of signals, of which more later, so worrying is that there is a research institute to do a more complete picture of the state of the board of Aruba it. Based on the results of that research should be assessed whether there is further action to take and at what level that should happen.


Chain Law

The Police Corps Aruba (KPA)
As the Aruban government has, however, the operation of the KPA improvement. In Aruba, so the end of 2006 a cooperation protocol signed. The purpose of this protocol is in the interest of safety of the citizens of Aruba the KPA sustainable improvement. This protocol is explicitly requested Aruban established. On the basis of this Protocol by the Netherlands, a police officer available for the post of chief. In 2008 started with the improvement of the KPA will continue to 2012. Within the framework of the cooperation program funded by the Netherlands Aruba law enforcement budget for this improvement is available.

In the first progress report on the improvement of early 2009 it was found that improvements are put in motion but that the progress is slow. There are various causes to which the chief has little influence. Thus, the large under the KPA is one of the main concerns. In addition, the KPA for the implementation of projects often depends on partners in the government that is not always adequate assistance. It appears that especially recalcitrant human affairs are to solve. It would be for the operation of the KPA and the welfare of the citizens, are desirable if the Aruban government attention would be devoted to facilitating the improvement. Active support of the Aruban Minister of Justice is obviously of great importance. I shall speak to him occasionally on appeal.

The annual reports of the prosecution shows that the Home Recherche by the large number of corruption cases is highly taxed. This still matters on the shelf, says a 2008 letter from the then acting Attorney-General to the Kingdom Government. Below I will detail in this letter. Under the enforcement program focuses on improving the quality of the Country Recherche. The progress on the program, the progress of this for me a particular focus.

The Public Prosecutor (OM)
There is understaffing of the Aruban OM. After a long period of uncertainty about the position of the previous Attorney-General as a result of a conflict with the Minister of Justice on its pension scheme from 1 January 2009 a new Attorney General appointed. The function of the Advocate General is not now required. Also, the broadcast period of a few available Dutch prosecutors, including the current principal officer, ending this summer. There are a number of places for prosecutors not be completed. Not because there is not enough suitable candidates but because of a discussion between candidate prosecutors and the Aruban Minister of Justice on the salary of the officers. At this moment the public prosecutor as occupied by four officers, while there are six posts.

In my letter of February 23, 2009 (TK 31 700 IV No 33), I reported that the current Attorney-General makes a positive contribution to a number of difficult issues and discussions between Aruba and the Netherlands. Given the current understaffing of the OM lies are also a risk. Through his efforts in many cases in combination with the number of filled vacancies, the implementation of the actual role of the OM, the prosecution of criminal offenses, not in jeopardy. This in combination with the relatively large number of reports on corruption in politics and the civil service concerns me. The proper functioning of the OM is one of the pillars of the law.

By letter dated April 14 last (Parliamentary 31568, nr.33), I answered the question of the Second Board or the state attorneys-general of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba to report on issues such as corruption, integrity of management or operation of enforcement chain Aruba or St. Maarten. I indicate that the prosecutors are officers of the Land Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles or Aruban Attorney General reports to the Kingdom Government, the Dutch Minister of Justice or to me. This answer is mistakenly overlooked the fact that the former acting Attorney General of Aruba last year on his own initiative sent a letter to the Treasury Ministers. In this letter he is concerned about the situation in the OM and the circumstances in which the OM work to do. Following this letter, Minister Hirsch Ballin to the former acting Attorney-General has requested further clarification on the above-corruption cases. This note describes several cases in which there was the investigation or prosecution of corruption cases, most of which have led to judicial rulings.

The Judicial Power
In my letter of February 23, 2009 (TK 31 700 IV No 33) I address the concerns I have regarding any of the other pillars of the law, the Common Court of Justice. The concerns that I focus on the difficult cooperation of Aruba in the necessary improvements in the management of the Court which has implications for the functioning of justice. I have already conveyed these concerns to the Aruban prime minister.

The proposal of rijkswet Common Court of Justice, as I previously stated, guarantees for justice at the appropriate level in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom. Among other things, the land registries no services anymore. Aruba despite so be invited hardly ever participated in the official consultation in preparation of the proposal. Both at administrative and executive level in the months prior to decision-making in the realm of Ministers close contact with Aruba to agree on the proposal. There could be reached on the content of the rijkswet with the exception of one component, namely the location of the seat of the Court. When finally revealed that Aruba did not want to accept the present concept, the kingdom of Ministers decided on Aruba for the proposal based on Article 43, second paragraph, of the Statute (the guarantee function of the Kingdom) that consensus with Aruba is not a requirement anymore. In this respect there is the Kingdom Government to intervene in the future to ensure a good law. Moreover, efforts in shaping the further report yet to reach agreement with Aruba because it is the best basis for cooperation in justice.

Prison
In 2007, the Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) visited the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Part of the investigation of the CPT was a visit to Aruba. The report of the CPT (TK 24 587, No. 245), the government's response to this report (TK 24 587, No 321) and report on the implementation and execution of the measures to improve after CPT visit of Mr. J. Lange and Prof. mr P.C. Vegter (TK 31 700 IV, No. 34) are sent to your room.

The situation in the police cells and prisons in Aruba since the visit of the CPT in June 2007 improved. The physical conditions in the two institutions have been addressed. There is still insufficient (qualified) personnel and the treatment of detainees still leaves much to be desired, the biggest concern regarding the prison system remains vreemdelingendetentie. The visit of Mr. De Lange and Prof. mr PC Vegter in August 2008 showed that it no improvement was made. At the request of the Government's Cabinet is currently a follow-on improvements implemented following the visit of the CPT. I expect you here in the summer to messages.

The Aliens Chain
In 2006, the Netherlands and Aruba, a protocol on improving the Aliens chain. After an evaluation of the efforts so far were done, were Aruba and the Netherlands on July 10, 2007 Memorandum of Understanding Aliens Chain (MoU) agreed. These are the main recommendations of the evaluation in cooperation agreements on improving the Aruban aliens chain set. The progress is regularly discussed at the administrative level. For example, in March, still a management agreement in place with Oduber Prime Minister and Minister of Health, environmental, administrative and immigration, Wever. There was discussion on improvements in the immigration chain under the MoU and the Instituto Alarma y Seguridad Aruba (IASA).

I have found that the immigration chain as a whole and several of the organizations that are part of the chain still work. For example, the division of work between supply chain organizations are not fully consistent with the statutory powers and communicate with each other lack the chain, such as the exchange of data. Another example is that the Aliens Act and regulations, and policies are not always clear and consistently interpreted arbitrarily as with risk. There is a large number of improvement, which recently made a start with it. Indicated that Aruba is really significant and visible improvements to make in the immigration chain. Related, the Governor indicated changes will make the organization of the passport issue, right issue and so a good service to the citizens is guaranteed.

Based on the current national decree Aruban Admission, Removal and Disposal (LTU-V), the partners and children of expatriate Dutch public employees no longer automatically accepted. There are arrangements made for the admission of such individuals to facilitate, but may at a given moment, a legal void, so that persons without residence status will be seated. Under the agreements that the Netherlands and Aruba in 2005 and in 2007, on improving the immigration chain, prepares Aruba changes in the national decree, to remedy this situation to. Despite that the Aruban government is regularly used, is the required change of the LTU-V very slowly.

In addition, I am concerned about the organization IASA, which Aruba is responsible for the tasks access, monitoring, removal and disposal. The organization claimed in a continuation of the above administrative tasks criminal investigative functions, while no legal basis. This is contrary to the principle of legality and I have since Aruba repeatedly addressed. In a ministerial order of April 7 last, the Aruban Minister of Justice and announced that no criminal IASA functions and will act in accordance with this. Partly for these reasons, the decision stipulated that the management of IASA IASA radar and helicopter to the KPA be transferred. Although this is an improvement, I see the co-operation of the walradar of the Coast Guard and those of Aruba remains a risk for the actions of the Coast Guard. At the end of June at the discussions I have with the Minister of Justice of Aruba, I will therefore once again under the attention.

Democracy
The controlling function of the Aruban parliament is not always well. Thus has it that Statenleden questions remain unanswered or that a lack of public debate. I also see that the opposition-initiated legislation debated in the States. I note that while the situation in Aruba associated with a party that the absolute majority in parliament in combination with the prevailing political culture which has traditionally been a strong polarization between the two largest political parties. This situation can only be solved from the inside.

Protocol Aruba - Netherlands 1993
At the request of the Senate, I am in my letter of May 15, 2009 expanded into the state of implementation of the Protocol in 1993. I will send you a copy of this letter. Interests of brevity, I refer you to the contents of the annex (31700 Kamerstukken IV nr.E). Part of the agreement is not achieved. If it is a well-functioning public administration, I think it is important that at least a national agreement on a party and the establishment of an independent complaints body still be achieved. A national decree on party funding is not yet established. There is also no independent body set up where people could raise complaints against the behavior of management. In addition, a number of events that should be updated in the light of the political process in the Dutch Antilles.

Messages of interest
Regularly appear in the Aruban media reports of alleged cases of corruption or interest. Even otherwise reach me this sounds. As I mentioned above have been several court convictions. I have no cases of violations of integrity within the Aruban government announced that there may be cases of criminal offenses, not all research in the OM. However, by lack of transparency in decision-making by the Aruban government insufficiently sensitive issues of corruption or the appearance of interest to be removed.

Ask Ms. Ortega-Martijn
As I promised in the general agreement of March 10, 2009, I written questions from Mrs Ortega-Martijn following leakage one-week notice of the Dutch Representation in Aruba. (Submitted February 9, 2009) this letter answer.

A week is a regular internal reporting official is written about me insight into developments on the ground. If the content so requires, is reported used in the preparation of policy. For the week is no prescribed format. This week includes the paraphrase of a conversation partner. Their precise definitions contain no analysis or opinion of the writer but outline what the agency learned.

Conclusion
In this letter, I have an outline of the State Board on Aruba. There are enough signals to concerns about the enforcement and validity of the Board on Aruba. The policy debate on May 19 with the Senate on the political process, Netherlands Antilles was expressly made to the stories of corruption and mismanagement in Aruba. To top the table to get what this story is true and to work to improve it is in my opinion for Aruba and the Kingdom of interest to a more systematic picture of the situation in Aruba. On completion of the research agreement, I now Aruba. My aim is for the summer the National Ministerial Council and to inform you about the inquiry. Based on the results of the investigation should be assessed whether there is further action to take and at what level that should happen.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR HOME AFFAIRS AND ROYAL STATE'S RELATIONSHIP
A.Th.B. Bijleveld-Schouten


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:46:36 AM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Now That's Interesting!  ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 31, 2009, 03:48:28 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2009, 03:55:08 AM
Oops...Almost forgot to ask.....Do either of You know how to look up addresses in Aruba?  ::MonkeyCool::

The white pages, or that listing of that is I think of registered voters (I haven't used that in a while...I forget how to look it up).  I'll try to find it if you need me to.


That's OK TM...I'm really tired and I will see what I can find tomorrow (later today)

Good Night!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 04:00:30 AM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Now That's Interesting!  ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands.. ::MonkeyCool::

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 04:01:20 AM


Good Night KTF and Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 04:32:50 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 10:35:12 AM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.    ::MonkeyConfused::

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

++++++

I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 10:47:51 AM
I suspect that the Marco's tip had a direct connection with John Silvetti wanting to get Tim Miller off the Persistence following the December 30th visual dive.  Tim saw the ROV images from the December 29th ROV dive and ... was convinced by Kyle Kingman that there were remains in that trap.

Think about it.  The Natalee Holloway case is Aruba's investigation.  Why were the detectives not following up on this tip.  Why were Tim Miller and Dave Holloway following this tip on their own?  It does not make sense.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.  I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project  and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated  to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 10:53:22 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 11:12:37 AM
A REMINDER

The search for Natalee Holloway

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalees father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

Dave Holloway: He said, "Id done some wrongs in my past," and he said, "This is my way of making all of my wrongs and all of my sins and doing something right."

Dave was skeptical, but the phone and e-mail messages continued.

In them was a wild tale involving drug runners who said that on the night Natalee disappeared someone had paid them to take her body and dump it at sea.

They agreed but instead they took her remains with them to Nicaragua and hid them on a remote strip of the Atlantic coast.

Dave Holloway: It was a little bit far-fetched for me.

Chris Hansen: What did he want in return?

Dave Holloway: He told us he didn't want anything. And that is what part I started believing in this guy. I said we've got a reward out here.

In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up.

Marcos: I didn't live an, um, exemplary life. I did a lot of wrong things and maybe this is just one way of trying to even up the, the score a little bit.

Marcos wouldn't allow his face to appear on camera, but he agreed to talk to Miller and even officials from the US embassy.

Chris Hansen: And what was the person from the embassy's take?

Tim Miller: The person from the embassy said, "You know what? I think we may have something here."

Together, Miller and Marcos came up with a plan: Marcos would take a GPS receiver to the location and leave it there. Miller, accompanied by local officials would follow the signal to the location and begin to dig.

The next morning Miller's phone rang. It was Marcos. The search, he said, had been a success. But there had been a change in plans. He had the body and would bring it to them in Managua.

Marcos: Tonight before the sun is up, we will be in Managua.

Tim Miller: He says that she was wrapped in a blanket and her body fell apart. He said, "but we had to put her in two ice chests." And he actually said, "call Mr. Holloway right now and tell him Ive got Natalee."

Chris Hansen: So what do you do?

Tim Miller: I did not call Dave Holloway to say I have the body.

Chris Hansen: You've been down that road before.

Tim Miller: Ive been down that road before.

Chris Hansen: Did you believe him?

Tim Miller: This time, I believed him.

But after waiting all night for Marcos to appear at the arranged location -- nothing.

Marcos never appeared again and Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are convinced Marcos pulled off an incredibly cruel hoax.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 31, 2009, 11:20:51 AM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Now That's Interesting!  ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands.. ::MonkeyCool::

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   ::MonkeyWink::

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 31, 2009, 11:26:29 AM
Hi Janet-

I had not seen that specific article but thank you for reposting it. I do not know how Tim Miller endures the likes of Marcos, what torment that must be. To think some person without a soul would WANT Dave Holloway to be told his daughter's body had fallen to pieces that way???? Only utter scum and freaks would do that, a category I put Caps into now too.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 11:26:37 AM
Good Morning None.

That thing called a job and ... must be keeping you busy or ... has that tall good looking European entered the picture.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I miss ya.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 11:37:56 AM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Now That's Interesting!  ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands.. ::MonkeyCool::

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   ::MonkeyWink::

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........



So true Nonesuche!  And that fact, which I'm sure Nelson Oduber is not oblivious to; makes his statement to Dave Holloway "No one is above the law" a big fat lie.  And Nel knew it when he said it!  He just assumed this family would give up and go away like all the others and he wouldn't have to worry about it much longer. 

Wrong again Nel!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's good to see you Nonesuche!  I hope all is good with you and yours!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 11:40:38 AM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.    ::MonkeyConfused::

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

++++++

I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Thanks Janet!  After reading AZSunny's post, I do remember reading that when she posted it! 

Hopefully she'll be back soon!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 11:46:01 AM
I suspect that the Marco's tip had a direct connection with John Silvetti wanting to get Tim Miller off the Persistence following the December 30th visual dive.  Tim saw the ROV images from the December 29th ROV dive and ... was convinced by Kyle Kingman that there were remains in that trap.

Think about it.  The Natalee Holloway case is Aruba's investigation.  Why were the detectives not following up on this tip.  Why were Tim Miller and Dave Holloway following this tip on their own?  It does not make sense.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.  I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project  and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated  to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.



Because ALE KNEW it was bogus!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 12:00:49 PM
Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why ::MonkeyRoll::  ...lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise


I don't remember if they were there before, to be honest.  Looks like the redirect to the links isn't in the code.   It's been a few years since I tested web pages, so I may not be totally correct on that...jmo.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 12:01:02 PM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.    ::MonkeyConfused::

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

++++++

I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Thanks Janet!  After reading AZSunny's post, I do remember reading that when she posted it! 

Hopefully she'll be back soon!   ::MonkeyCool::

My recollections for the most part are based on word associations.  However ... this time my method of recollection failed.  I learned that "Sweaters" and "Magnolia" do not alway equate.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyways ... maybe AZSunny absence implies she fell in love with Washington State and ... decided to take up residence.  It makes sense when you consider her grandchildren and her next door neighbour who resides in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... Tamikosmom.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 12:04:07 PM
Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why ::MonkeyRoll::  ...lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise


hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me thinks it's just a web screw up.  There is no point not having them redirect to the pdf files.  Someone reading here will fix them, imo.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:06:10 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
Amazing...just what Aruba needs right now.  But it seems to be "Nel's baby", and it also seems that he would probably sell his soul (if he hasn't already) to get it done!  JMO


5/27/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05272009AweMaintaPg2_1.jpg)

Papiamentu/Google Spanish translation:

global financial crisis is ritz carlton place cu have problem for funding for his project achieve at aruba

because n'e Economy global financial crisis, do not easy to achieve for funding for construction of the Ritz Carlton, both cu nel Oduber is first minister wants to see of ehecuta, first period because of his ends; agent. aib bank t'e leading bank for seeking funding for one of more amount of 120 dollar miyon. the week here self, director of AIB Bank, Giel frensel owing to trinidad and barbados bay, where cu past owing to meeting director of several banks, even dunando one presentation, but not till still have nothing concrete. have to tell cu realistic for the project here, have for several aspect her.o. have to accomplish the iniciadornan Cuneo. aib bank percura is only part of p'e financing, for which aib bank owing to achieve the mandate for seeking consorcionan big, which is for looking not only at aruba, but also at corsow and in Caribbean. one is the process easy, but the will last long enough, just p'e crisis on global economic and financial territory. aib bank now owing to bay cu banconan for the visit is show interest, for determining if they're ready for funding for ritz carlton aruba or not. American already banconan the end, owing to let know end not have a lot of interest, not for one assure emerging demand. situation owing to global end sharply banconan where one is invested only 55%, 15% in capital and risk of 25% is required one of inversion own. pesey, now the Ritz Carlton iniciadornan of speaking one have to re-calculation, the will can have one strong capital base in one of dje.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 12:07:54 PM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.    ::MonkeyConfused::

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

++++++

I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Ah, yes, thanks Janet.....She was going to spend time with family, iirc. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:08:50 PM
Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why ::MonkeyRoll::  ...lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise


hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me thinks it's just a web screw up.  There is no point not having them redirect to the pdf files.  Someone reading here will fix them, imo.    ::MonkeyCool::

You know a lot more about that stuff than I do!  Thanks 2NJ!  We'll keep checking!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 12:12:54 PM
Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why ::MonkeyRoll::  ...lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise


hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me thinks it's just a web screw up.  There is no point not having them redirect to the pdf files.  Someone reading here will fix them, imo.    ::MonkeyCool::

You know a lot more about that stuff than I do!  Thanks 2NJ!  We'll keep checking!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe they'll hire me part time....I miss my job.   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:14:44 PM
Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....;)  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   ::MonkeyCool::

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.    ::MonkeyConfused::

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

++++++

I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Thanks Janet!  After reading AZSunny's post, I do remember reading that when she posted it! 

Hopefully she'll be back soon!   ::MonkeyCool::

My recollections for the most part are based on word associations.  However ... this time my method of recollection failed.  I learned that "Sweaters" and "Magnolia" do not alway equate.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyways ... maybe AZSunny absence implies she fell in love with Washington State and ... decided to take up residence.  It makes sense when you consider her grandchildren and her next door neighbour who resides in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... Tamikosmom.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet


It's alright Janet, as much as we read...we all get a thing or two mixed up sometimes.  No worries!

If AZSunny decided to relocate, I hope they get her computer hooked up with an internet provider real soon, so she can let us know!  We need her here with us!

 
Have a great day Janet!   ::MonkeyDance::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:17:32 PM
Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why ::MonkeyRoll::  ...lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise


hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me thinks it's just a web screw up.  There is no point not having them redirect to the pdf files.  Someone reading here will fix them, imo.    ::MonkeyCool::

You know a lot more about that stuff than I do!  Thanks 2NJ!  We'll keep checking!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe they'll hire me part time....I miss my job.   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'd leave the part about being here off the application!  That is if you really want the job!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 12:25:46 PM
TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.    ::MonkeyDevil::    ::MonkeyTongue::   If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 12:27:47 PM
I suspect that the Marco's tip had a direct connection with John Silvetti wanting to get Tim Miller off the Persistence following the December 30th visual dive.  Tim saw the ROV images from the December 29th ROV dive and ... was convinced by Kyle Kingman that there were remains in that trap.

Think about it.  The Natalee Holloway case is Aruba's investigation.  Why were the detectives not following up on this tip.  Why were Tim Miller and Dave Holloway following this tip on their own?  It does not make sense.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.  I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project  and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated  to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.



Because ALE KNEW it was bogus!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

EXACTLY!!

The timing was too coincidental and ... the primary involvement of Tim Miller does not make sense.  Logic dictates that the ALE should have been overseeing.

Hans Mos and Richardson knew that Tim Miller had been convinced by Kyle Kingman's analysis that there was a high probability that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.


The search for Natalee Holloway

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

... The next day Aruban authorities, including chief prosecutor Hans Mos, came on board to see for themselves.

Tim Miller: We showed them what we had. I think they got real interested, too. We all thought we had something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 12:33:20 PM
Well ... the service starts in 30 minutes and ... I am sitting here in my flannel nighty and ... bed head hair.  Not a pretty sight.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good Sunday all.

Janet
9:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:47:16 PM
TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.    ::MonkeyDevil::    ::MonkeyTongue::   If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I trust ya 2NJ!  And hopefully they will fix their booboos!  For such a fancy site, you would think they'd want everything to work!   

Hey, maybe if they see your diagnosis and correct the problem...they could post a calendar of all Silvetti's activities/communications/contracts over the past two years in appreciation!  You wouldn't want them having your personal information to cut you a check anyway!  We all know whose hands that might end up in!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 12:51:44 PM
TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.    ::MonkeyDevil::    ::MonkeyTongue::   If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I trust ya 2NJ!  And hopefully they will fix their booboos!  For such a fancy site, you would think they'd want everything to work!   

Hey, maybe if they see your diagnosis and correct the problem...they could post a calendar of all Silvetti's activities/communications/contracts over the past two years in appreciation!  You wouldn't want them having your personal information to cut you a check anyway!  We all know whose hands that might end up in!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyDevil::



They paid someone to develop the site, imo, so it should be accurate.  The calendar won't happen and you are correct about not wanting my personal info out there. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
Well ... the service starts in 30 minutes and ... I am sitting here in my flannel nighty and ... bed head hair.  Not a pretty sight.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good Sunday all.

Janet
9:30 AM PT

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You have a great day too Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 12:57:13 PM
TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.    ::MonkeyDevil::    ::MonkeyTongue::   If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I trust ya 2NJ!  And hopefully they will fix their booboos!  For such a fancy site, you would think they'd want everything to work!   

Hey, maybe if they see your diagnosis and correct the problem...they could post a calendar of all Silvetti's activities/communications/contracts over the past two years in appreciation!  You wouldn't want them having your personal information to cut you a check anyway!  We all know whose hands that might end up in!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyDevil::



They paid someone to develop the site, imo, so it should be accurate.  The calendar won't happen and you are correct about not wanting my personal info out there. 

IIRC from some discussions....CLW does that kind of work!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.    ::MonkeyDevil::    ::MonkeyTongue::   If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I trust ya 2NJ!  And hopefully they will fix their booboos!  For such a fancy site, you would think they'd want everything to work!   

Hey, maybe if they see your diagnosis and correct the problem...they could post a calendar of all Silvetti's activities/communications/contracts over the past two years in appreciation!  You wouldn't want them having your personal information to cut you a check anyway!  We all know whose hands that might end up in!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyDevil::



They paid someone to develop the site, imo, so it should be accurate.  The calendar won't happen and you are correct about not wanting my personal info out there. 

IIRC from some discussions....CLW does that kind of work!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Yes, I remember reading that, too.  CLW algorithms & logic would not have permitted error.    ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 31, 2009, 01:38:01 PM
Good Morning None.

That thing called a job and ... must be keeping you busy or ... has that tall good looking European entered the picture.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I miss ya.

Janet


{{{ HUGS }}} to you Janet.

No tall europeans, lots of work but less travel. I have to admit after staring at web meetings and spreadsheets for so long with work everyday, my eyes often just can't take more web reading after 8pm which is usually when I finish work lately.

I'm so glad that you and others here keep Natalee's story alive daily, thank you for all of your efforts.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 31, 2009, 01:44:49 PM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Now That's Interesting!  ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands.. ::MonkeyCool::

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   ::MonkeyWink::

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........



So true Nonesuche!  And that fact, which I'm sure Nelson Oduber is not oblivious to; makes his statement to Dave Holloway "No one is above the law" a big fat lie.  And Nel knew it when he said it!  He just assumed this family would give up and go away like all the others and he wouldn't have to worry about it much longer. 

Wrong again Nel!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's good to see you Nonesuche!  I hope all is good with you and yours!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::





I am doing okay as are my kids, I do hope you and yours are doing well. I was sad to read of Blue Moon's sister's illness. I am keeping them in my prayers, my heart goes out to her.

Nelson rolls those lies off his lips so readily, doesn't he? Then switches to righteous indignation the moment anyone calls him on his lies or the corruption he so blithely promotes freely.

He and Paulus should share the same cell one day, let them lie to each other until they take each other out !!

Oh put Rudy Croes in there with them too !!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on May 31, 2009, 01:49:09 PM
2NJ Sons Mom - we all know that former employer was a nimcompoop but it seems open season on the experienced professionals.

We always knew how good you are sistah NJ  ::MonkeyWink:: no doubts !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Now That's Interesting!  ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands.. ::MonkeyCool::

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   ::MonkeyWink::

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........



So true Nonesuche!  And that fact, which I'm sure Nelson Oduber is not oblivious to; makes his statement to Dave Holloway "No one is above the law" a big fat lie.  And Nel knew it when he said it!  He just assumed this family would give up and go away like all the others and he wouldn't have to worry about it much longer. 

Wrong again Nel!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's good to see you Nonesuche!  I hope all is good with you and yours!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


I am doing okay as are my kids, I do hope you and yours are doing well. I was sad to read of Blue Moon's sister's illness. I am keeping them in my prayers, my heart goes out to her.

Nelson rolls those lies off his lips so readily, doesn't he? Then switches to righteous indignation the moment anyone calls him on his lies or the corruption he so blithely promotes freely.

He and Paulus should share the same cell one day, let them lie to each other until they take each other out !!

Oh put Rudy Croes in there with them too !!



We're all good Nonesuche!  Yes, I'm worried about Blue Moon's sister too.  I copied her post over in the Prayer thread in hopes that more of our monkey family will see it and keep them in their prayers. 

Great idea about the cell, I can think of a few more to toss in with them!   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
Hi Janet-

I had not seen that specific article but thank you for reposting it. I do not know how Tim Miller endures the likes of Marcos, what torment that must be. To think some person without a soul would WANT Dave Holloway to be told his daughter's body had fallen to pieces that way???? Only utter scum and freaks would do that, a category I put Caps into now too.



Me too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 02:30:11 PM
This may not mean anything at all, but I can't help but wonder!  Coincidence?  Even though I don't see a specific first name mentioned that rings a bell; still seems a little hinkey/stinky to me.  Two very familiar last names...announce changing party affiliations within days of each other.  Both formerly prominent supporters of the MEP party...hmmmm

JMO

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyRoll::

5/29/2009 Awe Mainta Page 5

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05292009AweMaintaPg5.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

paradera is birando berde of self today evening paradera y aruba provided that general will disfruta of aperture of cas of faction paradera yesterday tardi one another flag of avp owing to cuminsa fly in paradera, the trip here was at home of chinto geerman, one person cu for aanan largo owing to sostene faction mep, but owing to see cu avp is the faction cu will can bring the cambio positive at the situation in cual we country is bibando. the trip here again one are big of family geerman owing to reuni at home of chinto for give otmar oduber y faction avp the sosten for succeed the victoria day 25 of september proximo. otmar owing to inicia the nightfall saying cu for of three nightfall consecutivo in district of paradera owing to haci simbolicamente one lantamento of flag cu is show the cambio cu the people here is anhela. un cambio for one thought new, for one politica new, one politica caminda we wanted bring seguridad y bienestar bek, the felicidad in cada hogar akinan at aruba. chinto geerman is father of anthony geerman, cu that otmar owing to come is conbersa for much time on various materianan, particularmente on aviacion y turism y so past owing to become one person much close of otmar in his equipo after of owing to see his talentonan. also otmar owing to menciona cu yesterday all day past owing to achieve the question, same cu teo croes, of cual is the motibo for cual they owing to change y owing to join the team of otmar y avp. e sharp principal is reconocemento for her value y for her person self, camindatin inteligencia in the person for can help his country, have the earn, the love, -no only politiconan but ciudadanonan ehemplar as anthony, teo, sony y another cantidad cu for much year y recientemente owing to uni partido-, is feel for her piece baranca aki. tin one baluarte as chinto together cumi stop near of his child, near of his madam y his family akinan is sample also of the cambio cu we wanted see on the piece baranca here.   one cambio cu have to bring felicidad for cada one of nos, otmar owing to conclui. chinto geerman of his near owing to tell cu the oportunidad ricibi of partidi of avp is algo cu the is gradici inmensamente. tur problem cu we is enfrentando now assure is haci cu we have to of one vision new, for so we avanza in future y give we aruba the prosperidad cu the merece cu ideanan new, innovacion y creatividad for soluciona the problemanan. pesey the support for cu avp is the opcion of the trip here by of my famia. past owing to ask for people eherce his dereccho of voice for eleva we democracia more y more, but also for respeta opicion of cada that because we is stay rumannan of another because one aruba we all is. siguientemente anthony geerman owing to uni his self at the words of his father y of all family. erl owing to show cu they're contento, assure cu owing to trip here owing to achieve the oportunidad of show they conocemento of transporte y turism, but also sport. pesey i am gradici avp pesaki y the trip akki we is bay for form one team for we take away the vision fast. the cambio is because not have vision more, we wanted one another vision. today evening, sony vrolijk, teo croes, chinto y anthony geerman together cu they family, same cu all esnan at aruba cu is desea one cambio will is for of 6or of nightfall at home of faction paradera for so celebra all together the aperture in big where cu candidatonan of avp will is presentando nann vision for cu the proximo gobernacion. the is one stap more fast direction for her victoria of 25 of september cu will wordo succeed cu the sosten of we people.

Page 31

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%207%20052009/05292009AweMaintaPg31.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

ex palanca of mep, chinto geerman: gobierno of mep owing to let much of desea

chinto geerman, one baluarte of faction mep owing to dicidi cu is enough y owing to uni his self at the faction of speranza, at the faction cu have one vision for aruba, at faction avp. yesterday tardi owing to hoist flag at his cas in one ambiente much cheerful y complete of entusiasmo caminda family, amigo y sostenedornan owing to reuni for calling one another family more welcome at the family big of avp.conbersando cu chinto past owing to count ; cu past owing to give his sosten overall at otmar oduber because the is considere one person much earnest y much franco caminda the is show cu after of eleccion the cambionan will come.e is splica cu for of year 2005 already end otmar owing to acerke, but the time ey still the was bistiendo spectacles of palo. past owing to dicidi the trip here of let spectacles of tree one near because houtluis owing to come. the is indica cu the have more confianza in avp cu mep. mi does not atacanan frontal, but anything i am tell if is cu mep owing to let much of desea, then now will cual owing to culmina the problem is cu they're wordo investiga. gobierno of aruba is bay wordo investiga y esey is one berguenza for we. aruba not merece esey.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2009, 02:37:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/nTIxvh23Bwk&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 02:38:42 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9339/8/

Papiamentu translation:

destruccion at home of faction avp y mep

friday, 29 may 2009 - 11:59 in oranan of madruga casnan of faction politico owing to ricibi visit of across from socialnan cu owing to enter y destrui several articulonan in the casnan here. at cede of mep the across from socialnan here owing to break one window for enter y after for comete several destruccion at door,mesa, window,etc. at the cas of faction of avp at santa cruz, they owing to clip the tubo cu is wanta the flag. we all can corda cu is week happen they owing to throw verf upstairs the same cas here y also the flag y awo is clip the tubo cu they owing to end of cumpra for so place the flag upstairs dje. cuerpo policial owing to happen at both cede for so take declarion for they can cuminza investiga that is ones cu is responsible for her actonan here..... click read more for see more imagen. come across

Lots of pictures at the website!

JMO ~ From looking at the pictures, my guess is that the MEP damage was just a cover to make it seem that others were responsible.

 ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 02:44:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/nTIxvh23Bwk&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca

Thanks Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 31, 2009, 03:20:49 PM
The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 ::MonkeyCool::
Now That's Interesting!  ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands.. ::MonkeyCool::

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   ::MonkeyWink::

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........



So true Nonesuche!  And that fact, which I'm sure Nelson Oduber is not oblivious to; makes his statement to Dave Holloway "No one is above the law" a big fat lie.  And Nel knew it when he said it!  He just assumed this family would give up and go away like all the others and he wouldn't have to worry about it much longer. 

Wrong again Nel!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's good to see you Nonesuche!  I hope all is good with you and yours!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::





I am doing okay as are my kids, I do hope you and yours are doing well. I was sad to read of Blue Moon's sister's illness. I am keeping them in my prayers, my heart goes out to her.

Nelson rolls those lies off his lips so readily, doesn't he? Then switches to righteous indignation the moment anyone calls him on his lies or the corruption he so blithely promotes freely.

He and Paulus should share the same cell one day, let them lie to each other until they take each other out !!

Oh put Rudy Croes in there with them too !!



Thanks None, TM and others for prayers.  I just posted an update in the prayer thread.  She is very upbeat today, can't wait to get this over with and behind her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 03:41:24 PM


Thanks for the update Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 04:17:10 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9358/8/

Papiamentu translation:

hit and run fatal at wayaca

sunday, 31 may 2009 - 03:38

one rato happen in careda of 3or he naci 20-07-1974 at republica dominicana of name charles miguel ramada mora owing to being achieve all disfigura on the caminda principal of oranjestad for san nicolas at height of wayaca residence. melding owing to enter of a dead canto of caminda y at arrival of police they owing to come across cu one man cabez open throw canto of caminda y all his sesonan gespat on the caminda. the car cu owing to strike the victima self not was tey. here rato fotonan at caminda. the investigacion is andando the momentonan here. update: dr. lin owing to constata dead of the fayecido. update: besides we can owing to compronde cu pols owing to place hand on one car cu is show of is the car cu was envolvi in the accidente here. in day will have more details. click read more for more photograph. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 07:15:12 PM
HT Pearl at BFN

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/energy/6448729.html

Oil Patch digs in on tax issue

Companies say closing foreign loopholes to cost U.S. jobs


By BRETT CLANTON

Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle

May 30, 2009, 6:04PM


FOREIGN PROFITS


Business leaders say:

White House plans to collect more taxes on foreign profits of U.S. companies would hurt firms nationwide, including many in Houston. Some numbers:

Multinational companies in Houston: 354

Employees: 150,000

Employees of U.S.-based global companies in the U.S.: 22 million

Contribution to U.S. gross domestic product: $2.5 trillion

Source: Greater Houston Partnership, office of U.S. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-The Woodlands)
Obama administration proposals to reap more tax dollars from the foreign-earned profits of U.S. companies are not going over well in the Oil Patch.

Billed as a way to make multinational corporations pay their fair share to Uncle Sam, the measures could add millions to the tax bills of some of some of the largest oil and gas companies, on top of the billions the industry says it already pays each year in taxes.

At the heart of the effort are calls to end certain tax benefits U.S. corporations have enjoyed, including one that allows indefinite deferral of U.S. tax payments on foreign income and another that offers credits against U.S. taxes for foreign taxes paid.

President Barack Obamas administration also wants to close what it characterizes as loopholes that have enabled U.S. companies to avoid U.S. tax obligations by shifting foreign profits to subsidiaries located in tax haven countries.

The White House says strengthening international tax laws could raise $210 billion over 10 years, as well as create a greater incentive for multinational companies to invest in the U.S. rather than taking their money and jobs overseas.

But companies in the oil and gas industry, along with a chorus of U.S. business groups, say the measures would penalize them by adding costs, make them uncompetitive with foreign companies and possibly force them to downsize.

Contrary to statements made by the administration, these proposals will not create U.S. jobs and could even result in U.S. job losses, said Stephen Comstock, tax counsel for the American Petroleum Institute, an industry trade group in Washington.

The impact could be especially deep in the Houston region, home to more than 350 multinational companies with some 150,000 employees, U.S. Rep. Kevin Brady, R-The Woodlands, told a group of local business leaders last week. This is going to cost us jobs, he said, in a presentation to the Greater Houston Partnership.

The proposed changes make good on Obama campaign pledges to crack down on corporate abuse of the tax system and come as the administration is looking for new sources of revenue to fund government programs and plug ballooning deficits.

While a range of U.S. industries could be affected, the measures could be acutely painful for oil and gas businesses since much of their product and profit is derived from foreign countries.

Hitting oil companies

One example is San Antonio-based Valero Energy Corp., the nations largest oil refiner, which has operations in the Caribbean. It stands to lose about $30 million in tax deductions per year if all the new rule changes are implemented, company spokesman Bill Day said. Major oil and gas producers could be hit worse.

In 2004, the most recent year for which data is available, U.S. multinational companies paid about $16 billion in U.S. taxes on about $700 billion of foreign profits, for an effective tax rate of about 2.3 percent, according to a recent White House estimate.

The administration said earlier this month that the tax code gives companies a competitive advantage to invest and create jobs overseas and is rife with opportunities to evade and avoid taxes through offshore tax havens. It points to a December 2008 report by the Government Accountability Office showing that 83 of the 100 largest publicly traded U.S. companies have subsidiaries in countries that have been labeled as tax havens. On the list are several oil companies, including Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Hess, ConocoPhillips, Marathon Oil, Valero and Sunoco.

The oil and gas industry and other business groups say there are legitimate business reasons for having foreign subsidiaries and that the tax code already contains provisions that prevent abuse.

Leslie Hiltabrand, a spokeswoman for Marathon, said the company creates foreign subsidiaries to own assets in international projects and avail itself to international banking and corporate law facilities that are widely accepted around the world.

Valero has subsidiaries in Aruba and the Cayman Islands because it owns and operates a large refinery in Aruba and has insurance in the Caymans, Day said.

Other oil and gas companies cited in the GAO study either declined comment or said they needed to see more details of the proposals before taking a position.

The industry says White House proposals neglect to mention how much the industry pays in U.S. taxes as well as foreign taxes and other costs of doing business internationally.

In 2007, the effective income tax rate of the major oil and gas industry producers was 40.3 percent, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Thats higher than the U.S. corporate tax rate of 35 percent and partly reflects higher taxes paid in foreign jurisdictions.

The industry included at least $211 billion of foreign earnings in its U.S. taxable income for 2004 to 2006, the last year for which data is available, according to an estimate by Comstock using Internal Revenue Service data.

Wish list

But at the end of the day, analysts doubt the administration will get everything on its wish list, given the far-reaching list of programs it wants to tackle.

Government has everything in the store sitting in the shopping cart, said Kevin Book, with Clearview Energy Partners in Washington.

But when its time to get to the cash register, theyre not going to buy it all.


brett.clanton@chron.com

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 08:03:34 PM
REMINDER

CONFLICTS OF INTEREST?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman - 05/08/08:  John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle Kigman - 06/06/08:  Here's some interesting news: John goes to Aruba on Wednesday.

Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08:  He's (Silvetti) seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:   I haven't talked to John since he left for Aruba. I don't see why or how they need John to search the pond unless they were hell bent at only searching the pond for the targets I picked, which is obsurd since the pond is empty
 
Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman - 06/29/08:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies

Kyle Kingman - 06/29/08:   I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2009, 08:15:56 PM
FYI - Red plans on doing a special 4 years later piece for the front page of SM tomorrow.  June 1, 2005 was when Red first heard about Natalee Holloway missing in Aruba.

So check the SM front page tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 08:18:55 PM
FYI - Red plans on doing a special 4 years later piece for the front page of SM tomorrow.  June 1, 2005 was when Red first heard about Natalee Holloway missing in Aruba.

So check the SM front page tomorrow.

Thanks Klaas, I look forward to it!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2009, 09:45:41 PM
REMINDER

CONFLICTS OF INTEREST?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman - 05/08/08:  John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle Kigman - 06/06/08:  Here's some interesting news: John goes to Aruba on Wednesday.

Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08:  He's (Silvetti) seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:   I haven't talked to John since he left for Aruba. I don't see why or how they need John to search the pond unless they were hell bent at only searching the pond for the targets I picked, which is obsurd since the pond is empty
 
Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman - 06/29/08:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies

Kyle Kingman - 06/29/08:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.


Is there a connection when you consider John Silvetti's visit to Aruba in June, 2008?

As my son's Dutch American FIL has investments in the Netherlands and is required to document his investments in his yearly income tax form ... he tends to believe that the United States would have public records which would reveal if John Silvetti entered into any contract in regards to the Aruba pipeline in June, 2008?

Along with Kyle Kingman's own words ... the implication is that justice for Natalee Holloway may have took a back seat when the contents of the trap were afforded unchallenged possession to the enemy ... the enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005..

Janet

+++++

Patti on June 7th, 2008 3:10 pm  

Amigoe, Today, June 7th, 2008
Gas from Colombia for the production of electricity and water


ORANJESTAD As respond on the increasing oil prices and its negative consequences for our island, the government has decided to import gas from Colombia. The electricity supply can be altered to use natural gas instead of fuel oil for an estimate of 20 millions. The production of electricity and water becomes 40 percent cheaper because of this, said Premier Nelson Oduber yesterday. Besides, its going to be cleaner.

The premier of Aruba made these comments during a press conference yesterday. He is just back from a working visit in Colombia. He took part as listener in the General Meeting of the Organization of American States (OAS) in Colombia. He met with the Colombian president Alvaro Uribe last Sunday discussed among others the energy policy. Uribe suggested supplying Aruba with natural gas, just like Colombia does with Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Panama. They agreed that the ambassador for the Kingdom will start negotiating today with the Colombian minister of Mining and energy. A delegation of representatives of WEB and Elmar intends to go to Colombia and work out the further details afterwards. This is an historic moment, said Oduber.

The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year. WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions. The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run.  This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island. Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years. Apart from using the gas for the production of electricity and water, it can also be used for cars and in the houses. Oduber does not abandon the thoughts of other alternatives like wind- and sun energy, but these can only supply the island with a limited amount of electricity and water. Other energy sources like pet-coke and pitch are too expensive, says the premier. Also the deepwater cooling is no option. We do not have deepwater here.

Aqualectra-director Anton Casperson cannot judge the Aruban situation, but he considers 40 percent cheaper production costs for Curacao not reasonable. Gas is indeed a serious option for us; especially from environmental considerations in combination with wind.

Aqualectra is not in negotiations with the gas suppliers as yet. The investments are high, and you must earn these back. Aqualectra is in the process of adjusting the long-term plans as committed in the Plan 2020.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/05/american-airlines-and-american-eagle-cancel-flights-to-aruba-there-is-a-demand-to-go-to-aruba/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on May 31, 2009, 10:12:44 PM
It looks like Curacao, or at least some of the judges, are ready to take on Venezuela.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-16776--11-11--.html

Curacao rules against PDVSA refinery emissions

 
Published on Saturday, May 30, 2009   

By Carolina Nicolaas Amigoe

WILLEMSTAD, Netherlands Antilles (Reuters) -- A refinery on Curacao operated by Venezuela's state oil company is damaging people's health and must cut emissions or face multi-million dollar fines, a court on the Caribbean island ruled on Thursday.

Judge Erik van Unen ruled in favor of 26 people and two bodies that brought a civil case against the 320,000 barrel per day Isla refinery claiming excessive emissions of sulfur dioxide and particulates in the air had caused serious health problems.

From 2010, exceeding a maximum yearly average sulfur dioxide emission will cost the Venezuelan company, PDVSA, about $3 million. The refinery is permitted to exceed a particulate limit 18 times a year. Further violations will cost Isla $300,000 per day.

PDVSA said Isla, which it leases from Curacao and is trying to buy, was not the only polluter on the island of 130,000 people located 40 miles off the Venezuelan coast.

The company has not yet commented on the ruling but is expected to appeal. In the past PDVSA has said it would cost $1.5 billion to meet stricter emissions standards at the refinery. But Van Unen said in his ruling the company would need to invest just $100 million to comply.

In 2007, a Curacao court threatened to close Isla if it cannot meet emissions standards, citing a study estimating that 18 people die prematurely every year from contaminant exposure.

Van Unen also took into account excessive flaring that sometimes runs for days and weeks. The amounts to be paid were decided with the serious health consequences and the earnings of PDVSA in mind, the judge stated.

PDVSA is under pressure to keep Isla running as it struggles with repeated outages at its own refineries in Venezuela. Gasoline from Isla is exported mainly to other Caribbean nations and South America.

Critics also say PDVSA, which has been in talks to buy the refinery for two years, provides few benefits to the island.

Curacao took in less than 1 percent of Isla's 2007 sales of $5 billion, receiving a rent payment of less than $20 million and almost no taxes.

Curacao became an affluent trading port in the Atlantic slave trade in the 17th and 18th centuries. Now it is a territory of the Netherlands and draws tourists with its beaches, scuba diving and the Dutch colonial architecture of the capital, Willemstad.
 
 
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2009, 10:43:21 PM


Thanks SuzieQ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 12:10:22 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: IBE on June 01, 2009, 01:15:44 AM
Our Monkey Family is here for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: IBE on June 01, 2009, 01:16:44 AM
Our Monkey Family is here for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: IBE on June 01, 2009, 01:18:24 AM
Janet,

If he thinks there are public records, try the FOIA, Freedom of Information Act.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2009, 01:26:47 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/150_zoom2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 02:13:48 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/150_zoom2.jpg)

No Justice for Natalee = No Tourists for Aruba!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::  



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 02:15:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 01, 2009, 08:31:09 AM
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/aroobaBELLTOLL.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2009, 11:32:41 AM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST - PART 1

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/01/may-31-2005-natalee-holloway-is-missing-in-aruba-4-years-later-there-is-still-no-justice-part-i/

May 31, 2005 Natalee Holloway is Missing in Aruba 4 Years Later There is Still no Justice, Part I




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 01, 2009, 11:33:15 AM
Janet,

If he thinks there are public records, try the FOIA, Freedom of Information Act.

Good Morning IBE and ... thanks.

However ... I do not know where to begin.  I have no foundational knowledge.

I began scanning some of the research in the OIL & GAS PIPELINE INFO thread but found it all too overwhelming.

When all is said and done ... the truth has been revealed.  Kyle Kingman was on board the Persistence.  His observations and concerns as well as his professional expertise which was revealed in his own words tells the whole story.

Kyle Kingman has to take it to the next level and ... expose this obstruction of justice from his first hand perspective ... expose the furthering of the Aruban coverup.  Natalee Holloway deserves it.  The family of Natalee Holloway deserves it.  Aruba cannot prevail!

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.


NATALEE'S UNCLE - IN HIS OWN WORDS

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 01, 2009, 11:48:23 AM
Are there any Monkeys who have a current subscription to the Pacer system for the bankruptcy court of the Southern division of Texas?


TIA!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 01, 2009, 11:54:03 AM
Are there any Monkeys who have a current subscription to the Pacer system for the bankruptcy court of the Southern division of Texas?


TIA!!!

There are a number of things that have come up that need looking into - not the least of which is this agenda for today's hearing that ties Silvetti's PM Marc Broussard DIRECTLY into the bankruptcy filing by Superior Offshore.

http://www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/superioragenda.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 01, 2009, 12:23:56 PM
Are there any Monkeys who have a current subscription to the Pacer system for the bankruptcy court of the Southern division of Texas?


TIA!!!

There are a number of things that have come up that need looking into - not the least of which is this agenda for today's hearing that ties Silvetti's PM Marc Broussard DIRECTLY into the bankruptcy filing by Superior Offshore.

http://www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/superioragenda.htm

Interesting, Jen.  Seems he's listed as an unsecured creditor. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 01, 2009, 12:29:38 PM
Are there any Monkeys who have a current subscription to the Pacer system for the bankruptcy court of the Southern division of Texas?


TIA!!!

There are a number of things that have come up that need looking into - not the least of which is this agenda for today's hearing that ties Silvetti's PM Marc Broussard DIRECTLY into the bankruptcy filing by Superior Offshore.

http://www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/superioragenda.htm

Interesting, Jen.  Seems he's listed as an unsecured creditor. 

Where were you able to find that categorization 2NJ?

Do you have a subscription?  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 01, 2009, 12:31:25 PM
And yes - VERY interesting!!!

Why would an employee of John Silvetti have been a creditor for Superior Offshore?

And when was this particular debt incurred?

And for what?  And under what circumstances?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 12:36:41 PM
Jen3560..This is very interesting.Can you let Kermit know about this??

Hallin Marine has teamed with GeoLab to win the vessel and ROV contract for the Pearl GTL project under development by Shell and Qatar Petroleum.

Geolab has received a letter of intent from main contractor J. Ray McDermott Eastern Hemisphere Limited 'JRMEHL' in connection with the contract

http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/by_province/middle_east/hallin-and-geolab-wins-contract-for-the-pearl-gtl-.shtml



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
Jen3560..This is very interesting.Can you let Kermit know about this??

Hallin Marine has teamed with GeoLab to win the vessel and ROV contract for the Pearl GTL project under development by Shell and Qatar Petroleum.

Geolab has received a letter of intent from main contractor J. Ray McDermott Eastern Hemisphere Limited 'JRMEHL' in connection with the contract

http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/by_province/middle_east/hallin-and-geolab-wins-contract-for-the-pearl-gtl-.shtml



Is Zwinkles a familiar name?

Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.

Rik, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.

Dutch born Rik qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.

http://www.hallinmarine.com/rik-zwinkels-joins-hallin.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 01, 2009, 12:47:01 PM
Will do!


Jen3560..This is very interesting.Can you let Kermit know about this??

Hallin Marine has teamed with GeoLab to win the vessel and ROV contract for the Pearl GTL project under development by Shell and Qatar Petroleum.

Geolab has received a letter of intent from main contractor J. Ray McDermott Eastern Hemisphere Limited 'JRMEHL' in connection with the contract

http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/by_province/middle_east/hallin-and-geolab-wins-contract-for-the-pearl-gtl-.shtml



QATAR GTL AMBITIONS

Qatar is aiming to become, by 2012, the leading exporter of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) in the world. At around this time the country's annual gas production will reach 77 million tons. The oil production will also increase from the current 800,000bpd to one million bpd by year 2010.

Qatar is now committed to invest over $130bn  in oil and gas infrastructure projects within the next seven years. The Pearl GTL project will accelerate the strategy of diversifying natural gas usage and will serve to promote Qatar's ambition of being the GTL capital of the world.

http://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/projects/pearl/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 12:52:36 PM
Jen3560..This is very interesting.Can you let Kermit know about this??

Hallin Marine has teamed with GeoLab to win the vessel and ROV contract for the Pearl GTL project under development by Shell and Qatar Petroleum.

Geolab has received a letter of intent from main contractor J. Ray McDermott Eastern Hemisphere Limited 'JRMEHL' in connection with the contract

http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/by_province/middle_east/hallin-and-geolab-wins-contract-for-the-pearl-gtl-.shtml



Is Zwinkles a familiar name?

Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.

Rik, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.

Dutch born Rik qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.

http://www.hallinmarine.com/rik-zwinkels-joins-hallin.htm


What role did Jan zwinkels play in the Holloway case,if any?Are they related?Just a thought..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 01:02:01 PM
Are there any Monkeys who have a current subscription to the Pacer system for the bankruptcy court of the Southern division of Texas?


TIA!!!

There are a number of things that have come up that need looking into - not the least of which is this agenda for today's hearing that ties Silvetti's PM Marc Broussard DIRECTLY into the bankruptcy filing by Superior Offshore.

http://www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/superioragenda.htm

I posted about this many moons ago..Don't know if there is a relation or not!I believe GeoLab had a contract from one of there subsidiaries.Will search and post!

Craig Broussard
VP Asia Pacific at Subsea 7           

 Lafayette, Louisiana Area
Oil & Energy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 01:04:05 PM
Are there any Monkeys who have a current subscription to the Pacer system for the bankruptcy court of the Southern division of Texas?


TIA!!!

There are a number of things that have come up that need looking into - not the least of which is this agenda for today's hearing that ties Silvetti's PM Marc Broussard DIRECTLY into the bankruptcy filing by Superior Offshore.

http://www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/superioragenda.htm

I posted about this many moons ago..Don't know if there is a relation or not!I believe GeoLab had a contract from one of there subsidiaries.Will search and post!

Craig Broussard
VP Asia Pacific at Subsea 7           

 Lafayette, Louisiana Area
Oil & Energy

Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008 
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement. 

http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 01, 2009, 01:18:40 PM
Are there any Monkeys who have a current subscription to the Pacer system for the bankruptcy court of the Southern division of Texas?


TIA!!!

There are a number of things that have come up that need looking into - not the least of which is this agenda for today's hearing that ties Silvetti's PM Marc Broussard DIRECTLY into the bankruptcy filing by Superior Offshore.

http://www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/superioragenda.htm

Interesting, Jen.  Seems he's listed as an unsecured creditor. 

Where were you able to find that categorization 2NJ?

Do you have a subscription?  ::MonkeyDance::

I just did a quick search, typed in Mark Broussard, Superior offshore.  The first item that came up was:

http://www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/A580mon2ceo.htm

Then I went back and clicked on cached:

http://74.6.146.127/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=mark+broussared%2C+superior+offshore&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/A580mon2ceo.htm&w=mark+broussared+broussard+superior+offshore&d=LFOVEUxIS3tN&icp=1&.intl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2009, 01:19:38 PM
Jen3560..This is very interesting.Can you let Kermit know about this??

Hallin Marine has teamed with GeoLab to win the vessel and ROV contract for the Pearl GTL project under development by Shell and Qatar Petroleum.

Geolab has received a letter of intent from main contractor J. Ray McDermott Eastern Hemisphere Limited 'JRMEHL' in connection with the contract

http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/by_province/middle_east/hallin-and-geolab-wins-contract-for-the-pearl-gtl-.shtml

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 01:22:47 PM
Jen3560..This is very interesting.Can you let Kermit know about this??

Hallin Marine has teamed with GeoLab to win the vessel and ROV contract for the Pearl GTL project under development by Shell and Qatar Petroleum.

Geolab has received a letter of intent from main contractor J. Ray McDermott Eastern Hemisphere Limited 'JRMEHL' in connection with the contract

http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/by_province/middle_east/hallin-and-geolab-wins-contract-for-the-pearl-gtl-.shtml

ribbit
::MonkeyDance:: I wonder if Rick Zwinkels is related to Jan Zwinkels???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 01:30:39 PM
Are there any Monkeys who have a current subscription to the Pacer system for the bankruptcy court of the Southern division of Texas?


TIA!!!

There are a number of things that have come up that need looking into - not the least of which is this agenda for today's hearing that ties Silvetti's PM Marc Broussard DIRECTLY into the bankruptcy filing by Superior Offshore.

http://www.txs.uscourts.gov/schedules/superioragenda.htm

I posted about this many moons ago..Don't know if there is a relation or not!I believe GeoLab had a contract from one of there subsidiaries.Will search and post!

Craig Broussard
VP Asia Pacific at Subsea 7           

 Lafayette, Louisiana Area
Oil & Energy

Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008 
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement. 

http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html

Veripos is a subsidiary of Subsea7.."If" these two Broussards are related that would spice things up a little bit! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
Jen3560..This is very interesting.Can you let Kermit know about this??

Hallin Marine has teamed with GeoLab to win the vessel and ROV contract for the Pearl GTL project under development by Shell and Qatar Petroleum.

Geolab has received a letter of intent from main contractor J. Ray McDermott Eastern Hemisphere Limited 'JRMEHL' in connection with the contract

http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/by_province/middle_east/hallin-and-geolab-wins-contract-for-the-pearl-gtl-.shtml



Is Zwinkles a familiar name?

Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.

Rik, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.

Dutch born Rik qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.

http://www.hallinmarine.com/rik-zwinkels-joins-hallin.htm


What role did Jan zwinkels play in the Holloway case,if any?Are they related?Just a thought..

All the main players knew each other during his time in office

Governmental authorities
Mr. J.H.M. Zwinkels - Attorney General
Mr. B. Vocking - Deputy Director, Aruba Correctional Institute
Ms. C. van den Berg - Head of the Rehabilitation and Child Welfare Council
Ms. Y. Spellen - Director, Guardianship Board
Mr. J. van de Straten - Head of the National Bureau of Investigations
Mr. L. Rasmijn - Police Commissioner
Mr. E. Bennet - Head of the Airport Immig ration Authorities
Mr. R. Martus - Inspector of Police
Ms. A. Peterson - Department of Foreign Affairs Liaison officer to the CPT
http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm



Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul Van der Sloot (ex chief of staff of Cabinet PG [Prosecutor General] J.Zwinkels ).
[translated by Getagrip]
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/09/ex-commissioner-stanley-zaandam-in-his.html


1995 - Paulus became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university.

1996 Zwinkels is fired from the Attorney General job

Fruitful discussions we re held with the Aruban Attorney General, Mr J. H. M. Zwinkels, and several senior officials
http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

1997-1997 - Zwinkels left after a 2 yr battle with the Aruban gov't (they accused him of stealing drug money)
van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba


in July of 1998 he has his Attorney General job back 07-07-98 Attorney General (Acting) Zwinkels, Jan H. http://www.dlhoffman.com/publiclibrary/chiefs/2d52.html


this happened after Prime Minister Eman of Aruba and its Minister of Justice Vos end of February at Deputy Prime Minister and Minister Voorhoeve Dijkstal (Antilles and Aruba) are complaining about 930,000 guilders did that seized drug search was hit. They suggested that the Aruban Attorney General J. Zwinkels, with whom the two Aruban politicians on a footing of war life, the amount had put in his own pocket.

Sources in Amsterdam for the Aruban and confirm that the amount was in cash was delivered to the CRI, because Attorney General Zwinkels feared for leaks to the Aruban banks.
Also Zwinkels would have expressed that he does not have the money because it wanted to dispose of it owned by the Dutch Minsitry of Justice.


Aruba is already infested with mafia
Cuntera mafia and banks  were set up to launder money out of Aruba through Canada

2000-Last Updated: 7/6/2000 Attorney General (Acting) Zwinkels, Jan H.
http://www.byegm.gov.tr/interhaber/ulkeler_hukumetler/chiefs8.html


Interview of Paulus:

"Before this happened I was in the middle of a change. In 2004-2005 I worked I Den Bosch as a judge in training concerning civil cases. I've worked very hard & learned a lot there, but in the end I


Paulus was WORKING for one of these five higher courts!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

Aruba

de Directeur van het Centraal Bureau Juridische en Algemene Zaken (the Director of the Central Bureau for Legal and General Affairs)

PROFESSIONAL OFFSHORE INCORPORATIONS AND OFFSHORE BANKING SERVICES SINCE 1995

Q. What is an Apostille?
An Apostille is a form of verification issued by Competent Authority in the country verifying the signature and seal of a notary or other public officer, so that the document  bearing his/her signature and seal can take effect in countries which have ratified the Hauge Convention for the Abolition of Consular Legtalistation of 1961. It is normally possible to obtain the Apostille on a same day or next day basis.
http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm

You open a bank account in Aruba through the mail. You do not have to go there in person.
You get an Apostille to basically notarize your documents for approval.
You get an Apostille at the CENTRAL BUREAU LEGAL AND GENERAL AFFAIRS!

http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm#aruba
WHERE PAULUS WORKED in 2004 - 2005 he said in his interview.(see above)

Judge Smid was an expert in money laundering. He fled the island and faxed a reversal decision
He let Joran go free and he let Paulus go free.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal is the Judge who ruled to keep the security Guards in detainment.
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Judge Bob Witt - denied search of the van der sloot property entirely


Paulus was friends with all the judges, he also was working at the
"Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
If we could connect Rik & Jan it would get very interesting me thinks..JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 01:52:06 PM
Good Afternoon Monkey's....

Keepthefaith, Debbie, Patriot, bc73, Kermit and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
http://www.hallinmarine.com/diving-contract.htm
Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.
Zwinkels, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.
Dutch born Zwinkels qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.
Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
POSTED HERE:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4735.msg734234


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 02:09:44 PM
http://www.hallinmarine.com/diving-contract.htm
Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.
Zwinkels, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.
Dutch born Zwinkels qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.
Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
POSTED HERE:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4735.msg734234

Anything on J Ray Kermit?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2009, 02:16:51 PM
http://www.hallinmarine.com/diving-contract.htm
Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.
Zwinkels, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.
Dutch born Zwinkels qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.
Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
POSTED HERE:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4735.msg734234

Anything on J Ray Kermit?
we are working on it.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2009, 02:19:40 PM
Hallin Marine Subsea International Announces Board Appointments
01/12/2009

Hallin Marine Subsea International plc has strengthened the boards of it's two main operating divisions by promoting key staff to director level. East Division has appointed Rik Zwinkels and Ian Huggins to its board with immediate effect, joining existing directors Jon Attenburrow, who is also a director of the company, Graham Cooper and Remus Lim. Dutch born Rik, joined Hallin in August 2008 and joins the board as Project Director. Ian Huggins, joins East Division's board as its Business Development director. A marketing professional, Ian served as a Royal Marine before joining the offshore industry. Hallin's West Division has appointed Mark Wood as its Operations Director and Mark Corney as Finance Director and both join the West Division's board with immediate effect. They will form a three man board, chaired by Hallin director Mike Arnold. Mark Wood joined Hallin's UK arm at its formation as operations manager and has been instrumental in its dramatic growth. Mark Corney worked in Moscow, Azerbaijan and Jakarta before joining West Division as its Financial Controller. Mark has extensive `oil' experience, including financial responsibility for the oil field services section of Schlumberger.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ric=HMS.L


Dutch born Rik, 38, joined Hallin in August last year and joins the board as Project Director. The qualified engineer has extensive experience in the offshore industry in the Far East, the Middle East and Europe, having previously worked with Heerema, SMIT and Vroon Offshore.
http://www.oilvoice.com/n/Hallin_Bolsters_Subsidiary_Boards_and_Creates_UK_Robotics_Business/cc239f13.aspx

Vroon Offshore Services B.V
Job information:
Mr Rik Zwinkels, Manager Chartering & Operations
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:gqZa5HjIyFAJ:www.seaworx.nl/careers/270VR_014_NH.pdf+Rik+Zwinkels%2BJan+Zwinkels&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a



2/10/2009 Awe Mainta Page 21
http://awemainta.com/home/

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Google translation:

Justice Aruba lies in its hole MUSTARD AFTER THE MEAL

Following the last very bad developments justice field in Aruba can anyone with only a little sense and a intelligence level of basic school, the conclusion that JUDICIAL the device known When it comes to actually his hole is.

It is also proved that after most recent visit PG Brewers on Aruba, 3 a 4 suddenly the senior field had to overcome while OM kamt with a huge staff shortages; Ra Ra Ra how could that be?

You have to let you use or abuse many Arubans note this and not to grieve Your sudden departure sir Mosje.

Aruba is now a Iraq what little justice enforcement , and especially after the very bad case of not just one where the people in the generally very clearly faced with the policy of the OM not equal monks with unequal logging.

To not even talk about the Natalee Holloway case.   In the early 90 we also had the same situation He was known as that person not just someone, self Minister of Justice and his right PG Jan Zwinkels which was also also urgently needed in all leave after a disastrous policy implications of this.

Hirsh Ballin, Brinkman, Ank Bijleveld Balkenende and screaming miles distant from the cold Aruba to small and accomplices for all those blunders still every day in Aruba take place, I think the boosdoenaar a great name and that is: the Netherlands motherland.

You afford every day back again and again that this is not may be possible, where wait
Come on you guys?

Interfere in Suriname and Iraq and god knows what else is your primary task and responsibility, while this sort should be made and prosperity. Everyone goes back to Netherlands and now the guests of OM? When those extradited to America for all the blunders they caused and now with the levant leave.

I think that after 7 months advocate for justice in a case of a juvenile who still need to study in the abroad but still brightness can not get to a fair and professional investigation where agents guilty to threats, falsification, concealment accurate evidence and the OM in Aruba or judicial silent power for the second times since 2006 has same victim a number of
days for nothing in the tank chairs.

Brinkman you and your Dutch drivers screaming hard and do nothing? We can but we also prefer to see a healthy policy effective results.

One thing I must do the same give Mr. Brinkman and that is, Jorg himself to given that a lot is Aruba and now shows that it is as always, and perhaps become worse after the departure of Jorg.

I stay with very friendly greetings, and long live our Queen,

Michael Williams
mac2902@hotmail.com

interesting views, sums the current crisis up nicely - also in historic perspective (PG Zwinkels is mentioned).
Loose Translation by GBMW from BFN


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    Re: Hans Mos is Leaving ..
Reply #48 on: Today at 07:15:08 AM    

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AweMainta 10-02 page 21

http://awemainta.com/home/

THIS IS A LOOSE TRANSLATION!!!!



Justice department is down hill.

IT IS A DAY AFTER THE FAIR

Because of the recent dubious judicial developments on Aruba, anyone with a bit of a brain & some intelligence can make the conclusion that the judicial system, known as the OM is down hill. It is also been proven that after the recent visit of PG Brouwers on Aruba, 3 a 4 top ranking officials suddenly had to leave while the OM has an enormous shortage of staff. My, myhow can this happen? You have let yourself be used or abused, many Arubans noticed this & dont feel sad because of your sudden departure mr. Mosje. Aruba looks like a small Iraq concerning the justice department & certainly after the dubious case of Not just anyone, where the people in general were confronted with the working policy of the OM of not treating everybody equally. Not to mention the case of Natalee Holloway.

In the beginning of the nineties we had to deal with a similar situation because that person, who isnt just anyone, was Minister of Justice at the time and his right hand was PG Jan Zwinkels; who had to leave suddenly after a disastrous working policy with all the consequences that come with that.  Hirsh Ballin, Brinkman, Ank Bijleveld & Balkenende are screaming from far away to small Aruba and are contributors to all the failures that are still continuing on Aruba every day, I think the villain has a big name and that is: Netherland as  metropolitan territory. You are saying time and again that this cant happen; what are you waiting on? Meddle in Surinam and or Iraq and God knows where else isnt your first task & responsibility, while things need to put in order here.and quickly! Some are leaving back to Hollandand now those guys from the OM? When will they be handed over to America for all the failures they have caused & are leaving now take a French leave?

I think after 7 months of pleading for justice concerning a case of a youth who still has has to go to college abroad but still hasnt been given the clearance to get an honest & professional investigation where police officers were guilty of threats, forgery, keeping evidence behind & the OM on Aruba cq the judicial powers are staying silent for the second time because in 2006 the same victim was in prison for nothing for a few days as well.

Brinkman; you and your Dutch politicians; scream loud and do nothing? We can do that as well but wed rather see healthy management with actual results. On one thing I do agree with you mr. Brinkman, Jorg has said himself that its a mess on Aruba and now it appears it still is; and it might even have gotten worse after Jorg left.

Kind regards & long live our Queen,

Michael Williams
mac2902@hotmail.com
posted by hotping
 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.820

 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.msg666736#msg666736
posted by texasmom


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 02:24:47 PM
http://www.hallinmarine.com/diving-contract.htm
Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.
Zwinkels, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.
Dutch born Zwinkels qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.
Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
POSTED HERE:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4735.msg734234

Anything on J Ray Kermit?
we are working on it.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanx.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2009, 02:28:22 PM
http://www.hallinmarine.com/diving-contract.htm
Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.
Zwinkels, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.
Dutch born Zwinkels qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.
Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
POSTED HERE:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4735.msg734234

Anything on J Ray Kermit?
we are working on it.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanx.. ::MonkeyAngel::


BG Group Fires Up First Gas at Poinsettia Platform Offshore Trinidad
Fluor Corporation

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Monday, February 09, 2009

BG's Offshore T&T Projects Fluor announced that its consortium with J. Ray McDermott has successfully installed and reached first gas on its production platform for BG Trinidad and Tobago.  Fluor provided the 4,267-ton topsides and all gas production facilities for this Poinsettia project with J. Ray McDermott providing the jacket. Located off the northwest shore of Trinidad in water 530 feet deep, the completed platform is the largest offshore facility ever built and installed in Trinidad and Tobago waters

J. Ray has procured, designed and fabricated a 9,100 short ton jacket and 4,600 short tons of piles. Design work was completed at J. Ray's engineering office in Houston, with construction at J. Ray's fabrication facility in Morgan City, Louisiana. Fluor led the consortium and performed the overall project management, as well as the design and fabrication of 4,000 short ton topsides using Trinidad based fabrication services of TOFCO, a joint venture of Louisiana-based Chet Morrison Contractors and Trinidad-based Weldfab Limited.
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=72683

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 01, 2009, 02:39:07 PM
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Nanu-Nanu!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
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Nanu-Nanu!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 01, 2009, 03:36:09 PM
REMINDER

THE FABRIC - THE TARP - THE VERTEBRAE - THE SKULL

KYLE KINGMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman:  John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember it was Richardson who said to us that he personally handled the evidence and sent it immediately to our FBI)

Kyle Kingsman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

Kyle Kingman: I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.


ROV IMAGES

Video 1 - December 29, 2007
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Credit: Klass


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 01, 2009, 03:54:23 PM
REMINDER

THE CONSPIRACY COVER UP CARD

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 01, 2009, 06:44:15 PM
A CORRUPT ARUBAN INVESTIGATION?   YOU BE THE JUDGE!

Four years ago today

Janet
______

1. THE STATEMENT - JUNE 1, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Pages 76/77: Detective Jacobs says he will only take my statement, not the others.

At what seems like one letter at a time, Jacobs types in Dutch what I say to him in English. Its tedious. Arduous. Downright painful. Its a very, very, very slow process

I explain finding the car she was seen getting into parked at the van der Sloot home. I review the dramatic encounter in the van der Sloot front year in the wee hours of Tuesday morning during which Joran described his sexual activites with Natalee as she was falling asleep and walking up. Falling asleep and waking up. How he described her as drunk.

Describing the reencactment that followed at the Holiday Inn, I relate how Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot specifically showed me exactly where they left Natalee. I give the names and include elaborate detailed physical descriptions of all those present for this demonstration. I tell how Joran and Deepak said she stumbled and bumped her head, how she refused help from them and went inside the lobby.

For two hour I talk. He types. Jug comes in to check on me. A little while later Jodi comes in, then leaves again. I am still talking, and the detective is still typing. Ive been here for a total of four hours when we finally finish with my statement.

At the conclusion, Jacobs calls in another detective, a young uniformed officer, and gives him some verbal directions in Papiamento. The young officer turns to me and begins to read my statement back to me, from Dutch to English. When he gets to the last word he looks at me and asks, Are these your words? And I respond in the affirmative. But I am not allowed a copy.

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2. MINOR REVISIONS - JUNE 1, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Pages 88/89: At the restaurant I order a meal, but only eat a bite or two. The others have worked up an appetite, and the meal is a good time for everyone to regroup before the calls start coming in again tonight. As dinner concludes, detective Jacobs appears at our table. Hes holding official documents.

Surprised to see him here at ten ooclock at night, we invite him to sit down, hoping he has some pertinent information about Natalee. The detective says he just wants me to sign a new statement.

Jug immediately asks him, Whats the difference between this one and one she gave you this morning?

Jacobs says that some dates were wrong and have been corrected, and he needs my signature on the new corrected copy.

The document is in Dutch, which is Greek to me. I have no idea what it says. I cant tell if its different from the one the young officer read to me this morning, which I signed, or not. But all I have to rely on is the Aruban police process, so I gladly submit to his request and sign every single page. Desperate, I will do anything they ask. Maybe I can get a copy of this one. Ill worry about having it translated later. For now, I will trust.

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3. THE TRANSLATION

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Pages 187/189: After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

listen to this, Beth The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as the man with the glasses.

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didnt mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

Theres no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 01, 2009, 06:46:34 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


BOYCOTT ARUBA!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 01, 2009, 08:22:17 PM
Hope all you Monkey's are watching my Lady Husky's play for the softball National Championship against the Florida Gators... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 09:35:41 PM
Arriving research creates heated debate
1 Jun, 2009, 16:23 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The parliament this morning to an emergency debate on the forthcoming study of the administrative work in Aruba. Last week the government sent a group of MEP wrote to the State President with an urgent request for the letter of State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) to the Lower House to discuss.

In this May 25 letter sent Bijleveld expressed her concerns about the quality of governance on the island and announced an investigation. Earlier today in a press gave Rudy Lampe, the list of opposition party RED advance to research welcome. The debate began with the necessary tumult. States President Mervin Wyatt-Ras was more than once to ensure even schreeuwens, the groups called to order. Group Ady Thijsen (MEP) expressed directly criticizing Lampe and AVP group for not protecting the autonomy of Aruba. Thijsen noted documents by Lampe to PVV MP Hero Brinkman-would be given and how Brinkman was invited by the ASF affiliated station Canal 90 for an interview.

The MEP group brought forward a further litany of scandals from the ASF-era, including Fondo Desaroyo Nobo San Nicolas and said that this should be investigated by Bijleveld. He also doubtful issues in the Netherlands including the Schipholbrand and the IRT affair. He also pointed to the preamble of the Statute of the countries mentioned as autonomous units. "The Kingdom is not the Netherlands. In the Netherlands is no Empire House. "

Rainbow Warriors
AVP-fractielid Andy Lee did in his speech that the State has failed in its work because the current 'stamp parliament' no supervision. "How can we as a mature country ensuring the rule of law?" Lee said that the investigation but should be. "And when, indeed show that there is no bad governance and interest, it is only right."
Rainbow Warriors International Foundation has joined the Coalition of Civil Society Friends of the UN Convention against Corruption (UNCAC-CCSF). This is because its activities in the field of fighting corruption and promoting integrity in public and private sector to contribute to lifting,
The same network is also Transparency International, where Secretary of State to call in would have been to investigate possible corruption in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 09:37:47 PM
I wasn't ready to post that yet!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57425.php

Arriving research creates heated debate

1 Jun, 2009, 16:23 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The parliament this morning to an emergency debate on the forthcoming study of the administrative work in Aruba. Last week the government sent a group of MEP wrote to the State President with an urgent request for the letter of State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) to the Lower House to discuss.

In this May 25 letter sent Bijleveld expressed her concerns about the quality of governance on the island and announced an investigation. Earlier today in a press gave Rudy Lampe, the list of opposition party RED advance to research welcome. The debate began with the necessary tumult. States President Mervin Wyatt-Ras was more than once to ensure even schreeuwens, the groups called to order. Group Ady Thijsen (MEP) expressed directly criticizing Lampe and AVP group for not protecting the autonomy of Aruba. Thijsen noted documents by Lampe to PVV MP Hero Brinkman-would be given and how Brinkman was invited by the ASF affiliated station Canal 90 for an interview.

The MEP group brought forward a further litany of scandals from the ASF-era, including Fondo Desaroyo Nobo San Nicolas and said that this should be investigated by Bijleveld. He also doubtful issues in the Netherlands including the Schipholbrand and the IRT affair. He also pointed to the preamble of the Statute of the countries mentioned as autonomous units. "The Kingdom is not the Netherlands. In the Netherlands is no Empire House. "

Rainbow Warriors
AVP-fractielid Andy Lee did in his speech that the State has failed in its work because the current 'stamp parliament' no supervision. "How can we as a mature country ensuring the rule of law?" Lee said that the investigation but should be. "And when, indeed show that there is no bad governance and interest, it is only right."

Rainbow Warriors International Foundation has joined the Coalition of Civil Society Friends of the UN Convention against Corruption (UNCAC-CCSF). This is because its activities in the field of fighting corruption and promoting integrity in public and private sector to contribute to lifting,

The same network is also Transparency International, where Secretary of State to call in would have been to investigate possible corruption in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57400.php

Antilles

PVV wants investigation into corruption

1 Jun, 2009, 15:31 (GMT -04:00)

Kralendijk - Second of PVV MP Hero Brinkman wishes of Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten Kingdom of whether they are prepared, a study by the Rijksrecherche carried out to corruption, nepotism and cronyism in Bonaire.

Following is the message 'nepotism in granting leasehold rights, last week in this newspaper verscheen.Dit article deals with the conclusions of the General Court on the granting of lease on Bonaire that is not in accordance with the applicable procedures and that there is acted contrary to the principles of good governance.

Brinkman wants including the State know how to assess "the College Board has acted in a corrupt way by a land of nearly 20,000 square meters unlawful without clear reasons and contrary to the law, a relative of a minister has awarded 'and whether they intend' corrupt the College Board to address and ensure that those responsible for the management and dismissed by the prosecution will be. "


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Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 09:59:03 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57418.php

Aruba

'Al Capone'

1 Jun, 2009, 16:13 (GMT -04:00)


SAN NICOLAS - The owner of a supermarket in Savaneta is eight last Friday attacked by a drunken man also known as' Al Capone '. He stated that the dronkenlap around half past seven at night came in his shop and attacked him. Subsequently, 'Capone' er off. Agents were looking to spot the drunken aggressor and found him sitting in the neighborhood on. Capone was a big wig and police had to go home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 10:03:33 PM
They must have Dennis Jacobs trying to catch this guy!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57416.php

Aruba

Hot

1 Jun, 2009, 16:12 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - During a traffic Mahuma in fourth on Saturday morning for two officers saw a stolen car. The stop sign of the police was completely ignored by the driver who went off. After a short chase, the driver in the car park and walking off to go there. He fled in the global. A 16-year-old female passenger in the car backward and was fitted recognized. Even later, the driver at Jucuri again reported. Again he knew to escape. Still later he was again seen in the vicinity of JR Auto Center. Although agents have solved some warning shots, the driver managed to escape again. His identity is known to the police who will expect him to soon be able to keep. The car was seized.


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Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 10:07:40 PM
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Aruba

Wrong running

1 Jun, 2009, 16:11 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A 54-year-old driver and his 51-year-old passenger Saturday morning around half past four arrested in West Street. They rode in their car at the traffic direction. When the police car to stop months, they ignored the police and reason normally. Even later worked for the car to a halt forcing. The pair picked a fight, however, and began to kick to agents. Police had the necessary effort for the two to get under control. Eventually both were arrested and the car seized.


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Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 10:10:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57414.php

Aruba

Energy Conference Carilec

1 Jun, 2009, 16:10 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Carilec, a Caribbean association of energy companies and partners, in July this year and hold a conference in Aruba. Moreover, the organization celebrates its twenty year anniversary. On this occasion are approximately 300 to 350 managers and engineers to the meeting entitled'20 years of application harness the power of participants.

The conference of 27 and 29 July last, is co-organized by Water and Power (WEB). Besides the conference also held a Supply Chain for warehouse managers. The aim of the seminar is for participants to learn techniques they can save money and their internal customers better service. At the end of the seminar will present a personal action plan to determine where improvements in their business possible.

According to WEB, the conference because of the large number of participants' lie 'in the low season. It is expected to more than 50 companies in the energy sector in the Caribbean their services and products to show in a subsequent exhibition at the Renaissance Conference Center. The themes of the conference will include alternative energy, energy meters and modern techniques. For more information about the conference can explore the website www.carilec.org visits.


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Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 10:17:32 PM
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Heavy weather for restaurants

May 30, 2009, 16:59 (GMT -04:00)

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Le Dme Restaurant at Eagle Beach recently closed its doors.

ORANGE CITY - The French / Belgian restaurant Le Dme last week concluded. According to owner Ramon Groot Antink 'to prevent the company in trouble. " He was the restaurant later this year at a different location to continue. Almost 12 years, the chic restaurant not to imagine the Aruban culinary world.

by Alex Lacl

The name Le Dme years was synonymous with exclusive, high quality and upscale dining. Properties in times of crisis may not always be useful. Thus, guests often choose lower and faster for 'cheaper' restaurants. But other restaurants have a hard time. Havana beach recently closed its doors and the new Kool Runnings Jamaican restaurant in Palm Beach was the lack of customers only a month open. Chino Latino restaurant and decided to save money, too close to lunch and to concentrate on dinner. Some restaurants owner Frank Booi is for sale. Booi confirmed that two of the three restaurants of Le Petit Cafe for sale. These are the offices in Royal Beach Mall and Paradise Beach Villas. The establishment in Playa Linda hotel is not sold but will thoroughly rebuilt and refurbished to be.

"I saw it all coming months," says Booi. "It is particularly bad on the island. Who has money, it can sustain, which funds the bank has borrowed the forgotten. "The reason that the two sites sold, Booi indicates that he wants to concentrate on the hotel area. "It's become too difficult in the city. There is almost no one. "Only things that many tourists cruise control, can still maintain some, he believes. "A potential buyer of the plant in Royal Plaza want the restaurant with a nightclub. There is still something to earn. "

Competition
The large number of new restaurants in the hotel area Northern opens, will make Booi problems. He indicates that the rents at new shopping mall as Paseo Herencia enormously high and says to expect a number of restaurants quickly on the go. So he called TGI Fridays and Hard Rock Cafe and large kanshebbers to 'not long survive. " On the other hand, now is the time to invest is Booi. "If you have money you can set up something relatively cheap and the economy six or seven months you will attract benefit," says Booi.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 10:21:51 PM
REMINDER

THE FABRIC - THE TARP - THE VERTEBRAE - THE SKULL

KYLE KINGMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman:  John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember it was Richardson who said to us that he personally handled the evidence and sent it immediately to our FBI)

Kyle Kingsman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

Kyle Kingman: I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.


ROV IMAGES

Video 1 - December 29, 2007
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Images:  Kyle Kingman

Credit: Klass


Bump:  Thank you Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
REMINDER

THE CONSPIRACY COVER UP CARD

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Bump:  Thank you Janet!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 10:59:58 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Thank you Janet for all of your reminders!

I would only add this suggestion to the excerpt from Beth's book above. 

If "something bad" happens to you in another country.  There are many who will contact your family and offer their assistance.  Some are genuine, and will do everything in their power to bring you home; some are not.  No matter how genuine those who offer assistance seem to be; when they go to that foreign country they should work in concert with and under the direction of United States based law enforcement.  If it was necessary for those from the United States to go into that country to search for you; it is very likely that the country involved had no intention of finding you or returning you to your country.  Sending others to that country to search for you without the proper supervision, could result in their being influenced or controlled by the foreign country in many ways that may lead to inappropriate behavior regarding the search. 

In other words, that I have heard somewhere before....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245#msg372245

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If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed:)

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Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 11:03:58 PM
Would a kind mod please correct my spelling error!  exerpt s/b excerpt

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::

Fixed...first attempt had it azz backwards.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 11:07:04 PM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 
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Post by: Helen Back on June 01, 2009, 11:11:17 PM
Crime - The Enemy Within
David Jessop
May 31, 2009

By David Jessop; Director of the Caribbean Council

Across the Caribbean, from Guyana to Belize, once peaceful and well ordered societies have become hosts to narcotics trafficking, money laundering, extortion, gun crime, kidnapping, robbery with violence, and more recently, those who would support acts of international terrorism.

The growth has been exponential and no nation has been exempt, although some so far have managed to avoid the headlines.

The origins lie largely in the Caribbeans geographic location; its relative economic underdevelopment; the presence of significant pockets of social deprivation; and the attraction these factors all present to narcotics traffickers who are able to command sums larger than national budgets.

There are of course other contributory reasons, including social disaffection among youth; weak and underpaid law enforcement agencies; the presence of largely US criminal deportees; and the cross border trafficking of US arms between the Dominican Republic and Haiti that enables their subsequent shipment to the rest of the region.

In early May, the World Bank published a report confirming the developmental damage that high rates of crime and violence are having across the Caribbean. Their study, Crime, Violence and Development: Trends, costs and Policy Options in the Caribbean, argues that narcotics trafficking are at the core. It is what makes the murder rates in the Caribbean higher than in any other region of the world and rates of assault significantly above the world average.

The World Bank report makes clear that crime is having an impact on the transactional costs of legitimate business and has become a major obstacle to investment. Lawlessness, it notes, is causing skilled workers to leave the region and is resulting in nations spending increasing amount of their scarce resources on security. It argues that if Haiti and Jamaica were able to bring their homicide rate down to that of Costa Rica, both countries would experience an increase in growth of more than 5%.

A while ago I participated in a conference discussing in part Caribbean security. There, experts from the region and beyond suggested that the global economic crisis would negatively affect the security of the region through increased demand for narcotics and a rise in associated crime.

They also noted that if the US/ Mexico Merida Initiative the joint operation to halt the brazen power struggle by Mexican drug lords for control of the border with the United States is successful this would displace narcotics transit routes, transferring them to the Western Caribbean in particular.

They believed too that there was a need for the US to be much more sensitive about the movement of weapons, narcotics and deportees to the Caribbean and even to begin a debate about legalization. At the recent summit of the Americas, the US President, Barack Obama, did just this.

He made clear that the US recognized the linkages between demand for narcotics in the US and elsewhere and the criminality it was spawning in the Americas and the Caribbean. He promised to help the region combat this and on May 20 sought from the US Congress, US$45m for the security needs the region have identified, to develop a common security agenda with the US. Despite this, no one should underestimate the indirect costs.

For example, in Mexico, areas most significantly affected by violence have experienced reduced investment, falls in tourism, and a dramatic escalation in transactional costs such as protection rents, ransoms, and costs of bodyguards to say nothing about the deterioration in the quality of life and public safety.

Alarmingly, in the Caribbean it is far from clear whether similar criminality has now become so insidious an evil that Caribbean Governments and more importantly the regions people are any longer willing to confront the menace. The truth is that there is an enemy within who for years now have been corrupting governance, business and daily life who threaten stability and prey on underdevelopment.

A year or so ago I was sitting with a Caribbean businessman when he received a phone call from a well known Jamaican Don. He had no option but to take it. The conversation was difficult and embarrassing for us both. Subsequently I gathered that my friend acquiesced to the request being made. This situation is repeated daily not only in Jamaica but across the region. The perpetrators are relatively few and well known.

Alarmingly, so pervasive has the role of these criminal godfathers become in deprived areas in some Caribbean nations that they have, as with the narcotic cartels in Mexico and Colombia, now embarked on social programmes in urban areas where government is unable or unwilling to provide education, employment or policing.

This social role, the increasing cost of doing business and the application of these individuals illicit gains to political and to seemingly legitimate commercial activities, threaten to lead eventually to states in which these people are beyond the rule of law. These are issues that are not publicly debated in Caribbean society.

Whether through fear or complicity, there is a silent acceptance of the role of the Dons or their like, of their connections with leading politicians in both government and opposition parties, and it seems a resigned willingness to acquiesce to their protection.

This suggests that if a moment does not come soon, when important groups in civil society including the media, the church and the academic community ask questions about the role and impact of so far unnamed individuals involved in criminality in Caribbean or initiate a debate about the future society that they as ordinary citizens want, the perpetrators and their successors will become still more entrenched, confirming that crime and its consequences are endemic.

http://www.pamdemocrat.org/Newspaper/Details.cfm?Nz=(0GIZ4I%26%3DAG8%20%0A&Iz=%23)BDL%0A


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 01, 2009, 11:29:35 PM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

A quick came of Scrabble or 500 Rummy with hubby.  I choose Scrabble so I guess Jan-ken-po (Rock, Paper, Sissors) is where it is at.  Hubby is getting downright stubborn in his old age.  I used to get my own way all the time.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 01, 2009, 11:35:14 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Thank you Janet for all of your reminders!

I would only add this suggestion to the excerpt from Beth's book above. 

If "something bad" happens to you in another country.  There are many who will contact your family and offer their assistance.  Some are genuine, and will do everything in their power to bring you home; some are not.  No matter how genuine those who offer assistance seem to be; when they go to that foreign country they should work in concert with and under the direction of United States based law enforcement.  If it was necessary for those from the United States to go into that country to search for you; it is very likely that the country involved had no intention of finding you or returning you to your country.  Sending others to that country to search for you without the proper supervision, could result in their being influenced or controlled by the foreign country in many ways that may lead to inappropriate behavior regarding the search. 

In other words, that I have heard somewhere before....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245#msg372245

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If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed:)

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I miss Private Eye.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

texasmom ... I do believe that in our excitement our hugs hurt him and our screams scared him away when we spotted him lurking a while back.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
8:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 01, 2009, 11:39:02 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Thank you Janet for all of your reminders!

I would only add this suggestion to the excerpt from Beth's book above. 

If "something bad" happens to you in another country.  There are many who will contact your family and offer their assistance.  Some are genuine, and will do everything in their power to bring you home; some are not.  No matter how genuine those who offer assistance seem to be; when they go to that foreign country they should work in concert with and under the direction of United States based law enforcement.  If it was necessary for those from the United States to go into that country to search for you; it is very likely that the country involved had no intention of finding you or returning you to your country.  Sending others to that country to search for you without the proper supervision, could result in their being influenced or controlled by the foreign country in many ways that may lead to inappropriate behavior regarding the search. 

In other words, that I have heard somewhere before....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245#msg372245

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If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed:)

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I miss Private Eye.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

texasmom ... I do believe that in our excitement our hugs hurt him and our screams scared him away when we spotted him lurking a while back.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Maybe loose lips sink ships was more the reason.  Dunno, just throwing it out there as a possibility.  Silence is golden. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 11:52:50 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Thank you Janet for all of your reminders!

I would only add this suggestion to the excerpt from Beth's book above. 

If "something bad" happens to you in another country.  There are many who will contact your family and offer their assistance.  Some are genuine, and will do everything in their power to bring you home; some are not.  No matter how genuine those who offer assistance seem to be; when they go to that foreign country they should work in concert with and under the direction of United States based law enforcement.  If it was necessary for those from the United States to go into that country to search for you; it is very likely that the country involved had no intention of finding you or returning you to your country.  Sending others to that country to search for you without the proper supervision, could result in their being influenced or controlled by the foreign country in many ways that may lead to inappropriate behavior regarding the search. 

In other words, that I have heard somewhere before....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245#msg372245

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If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed:)

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I miss Private Eye.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

texasmom ... I do believe that in our excitement our hugs hurt him and our screams scared him away when we spotted him lurking a while back.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
8:35 PM PT

I know Janet!   ::MonkeyWaa::  I miss him too!

If I see him again, I'm going to be soooooo quiet; everyone will wonder where I am.
I wish he would come by and say hi, and tell us how things are with him.
I know they were going to try to get him to join the new darkside; but he's smarter than that.
I don't believe he would ever have any part of it! 
Hope everything's as good as it can be for him and his family.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 01, 2009, 11:53:05 PM
2NJ ... what do you mean?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
Would a kind mod please correct my spelling error!  exerpt s/b excerpt

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyCool::

Fixed...first attempt had it azz backwards.    ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 01, 2009, 11:55:22 PM
Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

A quick came of Scrabble or 500 Rummy with hubby.  I choose Scrabble so I guess Jan-ken-po (Rock, Paper, Sissors) is where it is at.  Hubby is getting downright stubborn in his old age.  I used to get my own way all the time.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Good night Janet!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 02, 2009, 12:00:01 AM
2NJ ... what do you mean?

Thanks

Janet

I had a feeling my post would be questioned....it was not meant to be perceived as negative, at all. 

I was just thinking that PI was very open and frank in his posts, including those about the Persistence search.  It was my thought that the family decided to be quiet....let things go on to see how it goes.  It was just my thought, with nothing to back it up. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 12:03:54 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Thank you Janet for all of your reminders!

I would only add this suggestion to the excerpt from Beth's book above. 

If "something bad" happens to you in another country.  There are many who will contact your family and offer their assistance.  Some are genuine, and will do everything in their power to bring you home; some are not.  No matter how genuine those who offer assistance seem to be; when they go to that foreign country they should work in concert with and under the direction of United States based law enforcement.  If it was necessary for those from the United States to go into that country to search for you; it is very likely that the country involved had no intention of finding you or returning you to your country.  Sending others to that country to search for you without the proper supervision, could result in their being influenced or controlled by the foreign country in many ways that may lead to inappropriate behavior regarding the search. 

In other words, that I have heard somewhere before....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245#msg372245

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If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed:)

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I miss Private Eye.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

texasmom ... I do believe that in our excitement our hugs hurt him and our screams scared him away when we spotted him lurking a while back.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
8:35 PM PT

I know Janet!   ::MonkeyWaa::  I miss him too!

If I see him again, I'm going to be soooooo quiet; everyone will wonder where I am.
I wish he would come by and say hi, and tell us how things are with him.
I know they were going to try to get him to join the new darkside; but he's smarter than that.
I don't believe he would ever have any part of it! 
Hope everything's as good as it can be for him and his family.
 


SHHH

Could it be that Private Eye is lurking?  Could it be that he is disquised as a "guest"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

texasmom ... when I consider Private Eye's words of astonishment in his posts regarding the Arubans being afforded unchallenged possession of the contents of the trap ... it is hard to belief he would feel at home on a forum that uphold sJohn Silvetti.

If that happens.  I am done.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 12:22:15 AM
2NJ ... what do you mean?

Thanks

Janet

I had a feeling my post would be questioned....it was not meant to be perceived as negative, at all. 

I was just thinking that PI was very open and frank in his posts, including those about the Persistence search.  It was my thought that the family decided to be quiet....let things go on to see how it goes.  It was just my thought, with nothing to back it up. 



I know what you mean 2NJ.  I was thankful for Private Eye's presence.  His affirmation ... insight ... was appreciated in regards to the happenings on board the Persistence that many of us found somewhat hinky.

Janet

+++++++


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM


Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help.  They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust.  Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time.  We've helped each other however and whenever we can.  They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right.  I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning.  Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


+++++++++


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM


We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 12:22:58 AM
I know how you feel, Janet!

I don't think I could give up, but my head would probably look like wreck's did for awhile!   ::MonkeyDevil::

If we found out that he had joined, it would be because he had been lied to about what that forum represented.  And that would REALLY PISS ME OFF!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/madMonkey.gif)   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 12:26:39 AM
Well ... I guess I procrastinated on the forum too long and lost out on my game of Scrabble.  I was therock, paper, sissors winner too.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hubby is laughing away at that reality show "Jon and Kate plus eight".  I will not let that happen again.

Good Night All.

Janet
9:25 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 12:31:07 AM
Well ... I guess I procrastinated on the forum too long and lost out on my game of Scrabble.  I was therock, paper, sissors winner too.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hubby is laughing away at that reality show "Jon and Kate plus eight".  I will not let that happen again.

Good Night All.

Janet
9:25 PM

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 01:19:43 AM
Jen3560..This is very interesting.Can you let Kermit know about this??

Hallin Marine has teamed with GeoLab to win the vessel and ROV contract for the Pearl GTL project under development by Shell and Qatar Petroleum.

Geolab has received a letter of intent from main contractor J. Ray McDermott Eastern Hemisphere Limited 'JRMEHL' in connection with the contract

http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/by_province/middle_east/hallin-and-geolab-wins-contract-for-the-pearl-gtl-.shtml



Is Zwinkles a familiar name?

Hallin Marine continues to beef up its operations team with the appointment of the experienced Rik Zwinkels as a project director for the Companys East division.

Rik, 37, will be responsible for the safe execution and result of operations in the eastern division of the Hallin group and joins its management team.

Dutch born Rik qualified as an engineer after leaving college in Rotterdam and has recently worked form Vroon Offshore and SMIT and has operational experience in both the Far East and the Netherlands.

http://www.hallinmarine.com/rik-zwinkels-joins-hallin.htm


What role did Jan zwinkels play in the Holloway case,if any?Are they related?Just a thought..

All the main players knew each other during his time in office

Governmental authorities
Mr. J.H.M. Zwinkels - Attorney General
Mr. B. Vocking - Deputy Director, Aruba Correctional Institute
Ms. C. van den Berg - Head of the Rehabilitation and Child Welfare Council
Ms. Y. Spellen - Director, Guardianship Board
Mr. J. van de Straten - Head of the National Bureau of Investigations
Mr. L. Rasmijn - Police Commissioner
Mr. E. Bennet - Head of the Airport Immig ration Authorities
Mr. R. Martus - Inspector of Police
Ms. A. Peterson - Department of Foreign Affairs Liaison officer to the CPT
http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm



Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul Van der Sloot (ex chief of staff of Cabinet PG [Prosecutor General] J.Zwinkels ).
[translated by Getagrip]
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/09/ex-commissioner-stanley-zaandam-in-his.html


1995 - Paulus became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university.

1996 Zwinkels is fired from the Attorney General job

Fruitful discussions we re held with the Aruban Attorney General, Mr J. H. M. Zwinkels, and several senior officials
http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

1997-1997 - Zwinkels left after a 2 yr battle with the Aruban gov't (they accused him of stealing drug money)
van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba


in July of 1998 he has his Attorney General job back 07-07-98 Attorney General (Acting) Zwinkels, Jan H. http://www.dlhoffman.com/publiclibrary/chiefs/2d52.html


this happened after Prime Minister Eman of Aruba and its Minister of Justice Vos end of February at Deputy Prime Minister and Minister Voorhoeve Dijkstal (Antilles and Aruba) are complaining about 930,000 guilders did that seized drug search was hit. They suggested that the Aruban Attorney General J. Zwinkels, with whom the two Aruban politicians on a footing of war life, the amount had put in his own pocket.

Sources in Amsterdam for the Aruban and confirm that the amount was in cash was delivered to the CRI, because Attorney General Zwinkels feared for leaks to the Aruban banks.
Also Zwinkels would have expressed that he does not have the money because it wanted to dispose of it owned by the Dutch Minsitry of Justice.


Aruba is already infested with mafia
Cuntera mafia and banks  were set up to launder money out of Aruba through Canada

2000-Last Updated: 7/6/2000 Attorney General (Acting) Zwinkels, Jan H.
http://www.byegm.gov.tr/interhaber/ulkeler_hukumetler/chiefs8.html


Interview of Paulus:

"Before this happened I was in the middle of a change. In 2004-2005 I worked I Den Bosch as a judge in training concerning civil cases. I've worked very hard & learned a lot there, but in the end I


Paulus was WORKING for one of these five higher courts!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

Aruba

de Directeur van het Centraal Bureau Juridische en Algemene Zaken (the Director of the Central Bureau for Legal and General Affairs)

PROFESSIONAL OFFSHORE INCORPORATIONS AND OFFSHORE BANKING SERVICES SINCE 1995

Q. What is an Apostille?
An Apostille is a form of verification issued by Competent Authority in the country verifying the signature and seal of a notary or other public officer, so that the document  bearing his/her signature and seal can take effect in countries which have ratified the Hauge Convention for the Abolition of Consular Legtalistation of 1961. It is normally possible to obtain the Apostille on a same day or next day basis.
http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm

You open a bank account in Aruba through the mail. You do not have to go there in person.
You get an Apostille to basically notarize your documents for approval.
You get an Apostille at the CENTRAL BUREAU LEGAL AND GENERAL AFFAIRS!

http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm#aruba
WHERE PAULUS WORKED in 2004 - 2005 he said in his interview.(see above)

Judge Smid was an expert in money laundering. He fled the island and faxed a reversal decision
He let Joran go free and he let Paulus go free.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal is the Judge who ruled to keep the security Guards in detainment.
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Judge Bob Witt - denied search of the van der sloot property entirely


Paulus was friends with all the judges, he also was working at the
"Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba."



http://www.pj-design.nl/burhoven/antecedenten-juristen-z.htm

Google translation:

Zwinkels, JHM, born in October 1941 M
NLRM 80 87 88/89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99/00
Probation ex art.4 Opleidings_en Organization judicial decision making in Den Haag; Raio April 1
1971
Court Secretary 1st Class Court Den Haag 1 August, 1971
Secretary 1st class district prosecutor Groningen September 1, 1973
Court Secretary court Groningen 1 July, 1975
Law firm as a trainee working Groningen 1 July, 1975
Secretary District Prosecutor Den Bosch 1 December, 1976
Substituut_officier of Justice district prosecutor Den Bosch 28 Mar 1977
District Prosecutor district prosecutor Den Bosch April 25, 1979
District Prosecutor 1st class district prosecutor Den Bosch 16 Mar 1984
Prosecutor Aruba 1 September, 1991
Leave without pay as head prosecutor preserving the Court in First Instance in Aruba October 16
1991

Deputy public prosecutor attached Procureur_generaal Leeuwarden 1 Mar 1997
Deputy proc._gen. belongs prosecutor Leeuwarden 1 March, 1997
Raadsheer_plaatsvervanger Court Leeuwarden January 18, 1999
Kantonrechter_plaatsvervanger Beetsterzwaag August 27, 1999
Kantonrechter_plaatsvervanger Heerenveen August 27, 1999
Kantonrechter_plaatsvervanger Leeuwarden August 27, 1999
Kantonrechter_plaatsvervanger Sneek August 27, 1999
NOW
Den Bosch arrondissement parquet parquet 1st Class
Leeuwarden Court Deputy Procureur_Generaal



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 02:21:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 02, 2009, 02:21:58 AM
Is that basically saying Jan Zwinkels was booted out TM??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 02, 2009, 02:23:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 02:36:59 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

6/2/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06022009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

this is for people!? booshi??? live mep example desatrozo!

as the spectacles caro of booshi do not serve or the is extremely disgusta for aparece on front page of awemainta, this is one another ehempel for we children.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 02:38:43 AM
Is that basically saying Jan Zwinkels was booted out TM??

Oh yes, I do believe he was.  Have you not read the articles about his deeds?  caesu posted several not too long ago that were very interesting!  I'll find them for you tomorrow if you haven't read them!

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 02, 2009, 02:42:09 AM
Is that basically saying Jan Zwinkels was booted out TM??

Oh yes, I do believe he was.  Have you not read the articles about his deeds?  caesu posted several not too long ago that were very interesting!  I'll find them for you tomorrow if you haven't read them!

 ::MonkeyWink::

It would be good to refresh my memory.I believe it is good to continue to refresh our memories on all the hooligans involved!Thanx TM.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 02, 2009, 02:43:27 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

TIME IS ON OUR SIDE ARUBA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 02, 2009, 02:44:20 AM
Hi KTF and TM!

KTF Here is a link to an article about Jan Zwinkels

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba&ei=dsUkStGsAaa-M-DS5bcF&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522jan%2Bzwinkels%2Baruba%2522%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GWYA_enUS318US318%26sa%3DG

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 02:45:22 AM
Hi KTF and TM!

KTF Here is a link to an article about Jan Zwinkels

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba&ei=dsUkStGsAaa-M-DS5bcF&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522jan%2Bzwinkels%2Baruba%2522%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GWYA_enUS318US318%26sa%3DG

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 02, 2009, 02:45:29 AM
I'm calling it a night.....Good Night KTF and TM!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 02, 2009, 02:45:56 AM
GoodNight Tm & HotPing.I will try to find more about the bankruptcy thing tomorrow.I'm very curious as to who had to pay who.In the end of what you posted Hotping it said "the court was requiring BP"..Need to read the rest to clarify...I'm Off! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 02:48:05 AM
I'm calling it a night.....Good Night KTF and TM!   ::MonkeyCool::

Me too, I'll be sleep walking at work tomorrow!   ::MonkeyDevil::

Good night Hotping and KeepTheFaith!    ::MonkeyAngel::

I'll see if I have anything else saved for you tomorrow about Zwinkels!   ::MonkeyWink::

If caesu stops by, maybe he'll have the links handy.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 02, 2009, 02:48:57 AM
Hi KTF and TM!

KTF Here is a link to an article about Jan Zwinkels

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba&ei=dsUkStGsAaa-M-DS5bcF&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522jan%2Bzwinkels%2Baruba%2522%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GWYA_enUS318US318%26sa%3DG

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::
You're Welcome TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 02:49:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 02, 2009, 02:51:33 AM
GoodNight Tm & HotPing.I will try to find more about the bankruptcy thing tomorrow.I'm very curious as to who had to pay who.In the end of what you posted Hotping it said "the court was requiring BP"..Need to read the rest to clarify...I'm Off! ::MonkeyCool::
Thank You KTF! I won't be here until late tomorrow....maybe alittle in the morning then its off to DR appointments.....Good Night!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 02, 2009, 02:53:14 AM
Hi KTF and TM!

KTF Here is a link to an article about Jan Zwinkels

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba&ei=dsUkStGsAaa-M-DS5bcF&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522jan%2Bzwinkels%2Baruba%2522%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GWYA_enUS318US318%26sa%3DG

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::
You're Welcome TM!

Thanx HotPing just got done reading it!wOw..Looks like Paulus & the Judges got there own lil drug trafficking going on,as well as money laundering courtesy of Paulus???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 02, 2009, 02:55:20 AM
Hi KTF and TM!

KTF Here is a link to an article about Jan Zwinkels

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba&ei=dsUkStGsAaa-M-DS5bcF&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522jan%2Bzwinkels%2Baruba%2522%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GWYA_enUS318US318%26sa%3DG

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::
You're Welcome TM!

Thanx HotPing just got done reading it!wOw..Looks like Paulus & the Judges got there own lil drug trafficking going on,as well as money laundering courtesy of Paulus???

Just to clarify.That's my own hypothesis due to all the Judges,Zwinkels,as well as Paulus being Buddies..Thank God Paulus didn't become a Judge ehh!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 02, 2009, 10:00:03 AM
Busy week for me, Monkeys, but I am reading daily and keeping up with the posts as best I can.

Another sad anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and still no signs from Aruba that justice will ever be served.  I have always thought that all the investment in that island in the 1980's really went to their heads and they thought themselves untouchable.  And keep hoping that a big dose of reality will bring them back around to realizing they can't do things like this and expect to get away with them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 10:33:49 AM
CONFLICT OF INTEREST - PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

The personal and professional connections that existed between Paulus van der Sloot and those within the Natalee Holloway investigation ... person and professtional connections  which involved Aruban Law enforcement ... the Dutch/Aruban administration as well as the judiciary ... implies Dutch law was disregarded and ... this disregard was tolerated by the "powers that be" in both Holland Aruba?
______


CON FLICT OF INTEREST ACCORDING TO RUDY CROES

Dutch News - December 4, 2008


Van der Sloot father hindered Natalee probe

Dutchman Jan van der Straten, who the Caribbean island of Aruba when US teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, seriously hindered the investigation in the first few days, Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes is quoted as saying by news agency ANP.

ANP says Croes claims Van der Straten was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran, who was suspected of being involved in the disappearance. Such rumours have circulated on the island for some time, ANP says.
According to ANP, Croes made the statement following criticism of the Aruban police force made by Van der Straten earlier this week.

Questioning

Croes said that Joran and two other suspects were only taken in for questioning 10 days after Holloway went missing when the first days are crucial in a disappearance. And he claims he heard Van der Straten say I cannot do that to my friend Paul.
 
Croes also claims there were a lot of telephone conversations between Van der Sloot senior and Van der Straten and that a second class police team was put on the investigation. It was the team used during the carnival celebrations, ANP reports him as saying.
In addition, Croes accuses the Dutch government of failing to provide any moral support to Aruba. He says the Aruban authorities were pressurised to present Joran van der Sloot as an Aruban, not a Dutch national.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/van_der_sloots_father_hindered.php


CONFLICT OF INTEREST ACCORDING TO JOSSY MANSUR

Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005

NANCE GRACE, HOST:  Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


CONFLICT OF INTEREST ACCORDING TO PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Nova - June 28, 2005

TWAN HUYS:  Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

HUYS: So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Mrs. Croes.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

VAN DER SLOOT That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.
HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 10:50:50 AM
CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

BEN KING - PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT


Ben King: Poor Judgement Or Cover-Up in Natalee Holloway Case
July 3, 2005

The Public Ministry (Aruban prosecutor's office) affirmed that Ben King, head of the support division of the Attorney General, was present at the house of the Van der Sloot family when it was being searched Thursday last week.

Spokesperson Marianne Croes, of the prosecutor's office: King was and is on holiday. He was indeed not present on behalf of the PM (during the search of the van der Sloot estate) The spokesperson doesnt want to comment on the various observations that find it strange that a member of the PM was present at the house of the suspects family while the search took place.

Sources within the PM affirm however that the PM as a whole is not happy at all with the actions of Ben King, because this may raise doubts with regard to the impartiality of the ministry.

King himself says that he and his family have been good friends with the Van der Sloots for some years now. Paul van der Sloot also worked for the PM in the past. King: A few years ago, when I was working at KIA (local prison), I was maltreated by a prisoner and went through a rough period during which the Van der Sloot family provided us with fantastic support. We want to do the same for them now. But I realize naturally that I cannot stand at both sides on the line.

And because of this King took some time off from his job to be able to support his friends. King: It is a small island where conclusions are drawn very fast. Both Public Ministry and I realize that we have to remain cool-headed. At the same time I have my rights as private-citizen and I want to support my friends in this difficult period. Ben King was formerly named Vocking, he changed his name a few months ago and his name is now officially King.

Translation - Begga

++++++

Ben King: Poor Judgement Or Cover-Up in Natalee Holloway Case

April 9, 2006
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/04/paulus-has-lots-of-friends-on-one.html

Sunday, July 03, 2005 at 04:42 PM in Natalee Holloway
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/ben_king_poor_j.html

July 3, 2005
http://www.hasibokos.com/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 11:27:28 AM
CONFLICT OF INTEREST

Was a copy of the warrant issued by Karin Janssen in regards to the search at the the van der Sloots' residence ever revealed?  Did Peter Devries have access to this document?

Janet

++++++++
 
THE SEARCH WARRANT - INCLUSIVE?

The Robert Jensen Show - November 28, 2006

PETER DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several chances to do things right: when they wanted to search the house.  the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family who wanted to support the van der Sloots in these difficult times.  So clearly the search of the house had not been a surprise to the van der Sloots.  The police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Jorans room could be searched.  These are things a Dutch crime-reporter is of course totally astonished about.


On the Record w/ Greta - November 27, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: What about the search of the van der Sloot property? Was that ever done, and was, you know--including, sort of, the cabana area where Joran lives?

PETER DE VRIES: Well, the search in the home address of the family van der Sloot was very strange because the search warrant was made by head prosecutor Karin Janssen, and contained an allowance to search the whole address, Montanja nineteen. So, the gardens, the buildings--everything. But, when the police was on the spot, another high-ranking employee of the Justice office--it was Mr. Bob Wit--reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran --and that was very strange.


FOX News
Martha McCallum - The Live Desk - November 28, 2006

 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we do not have any evidence and that is what Jorans attorney will have to be reminded of. It is because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Mon. 19 - the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot a high ranking employee of the Justice Office, Bob Witt, reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so thats why we do not have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.


THE SEARCH WARRANT - SELECTIVE?

On the Record /w Greta - October 9, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Okay, let me ask you about the search of Joran Van der Sloot house. Apparently this kid lived in an apartment that was connected to or sort of adjacent to his parents house.

GEROLD DOMPIG: That is correct

VAN SUSTEREN: And the police only searched his apartment, deputy chief?

DOMPIG: That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted by the judge a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.

VAN SUSTEREN: But what about after Paul Van der Sloot was arrested, couldnt you get a warrant to search the house then?

DOMPIG: It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that. The judge was coming from another island I must point out. He said we didnt make a good enough case to get a warrant.


BON DIA - December 29, 2007

... Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

Translation Credit:  Lazlo (RU)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 11:38:03 AM
Good Morning Monkeys.

Back to my own little hidey hole where I am alone but not lonely.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
8:40 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 02, 2009, 12:04:27 PM
Change in government not declaration of war

BONAIRE--While State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten announced an investigation into corruption on Aruba, she did not do so for Bonaire. Inconceivable, the islands opposition leader Jopie Abraham (ADB) told the Dutch daily Het Parool.

The newspaper reported on the political crisis that arose after UPBs Anthony Nicolaas decided to continue as an independent Island Council. After ten years of supremacy, Christian Democratic UPB led by Ramonsito Booi lost its majority in the Island Council.

According to Abraham, who teamed up with Nicolaas to pass a motion of no-confidence against the UPB commissioners, the upcoming change in government must not be viewed as a declaration of war to the Netherlands. There is no reason for panic.

He will therefore not comment at this time whether a referendum will be held on the agreements made by the outgoing UPB Executive Council for Bonaire to become a special overseas entity of the Netherlands. He wants to go through all the documents systematically once again and then consult with the Netherlands.

The four UPB commissioners will not resign as called for in the no-confidence motion, so the procedure to have the Island Council remove and replace them will have to be followed. Within two weeks Abraham hopes to present a new Executive Council with capable and honest people.

He thereby explicitly refers Booi, who has been the subject of rumours about corruption and self-enrichment for years. Recently a critical report of the Antillean Audit Chamber on the issuance of land leases accused the Executive Council of favouritism.

A black book on corruption was drawn up by the Foundation Good Governance (that included several opposing politicians-ed) and presented to Bijleveld. She forwarded the document to the Antillean Public Prosecution.

Abraham hopes that the Netherlands will now finally carry out an investigation on corruption in Bonaire. We have strong indications that the Netherlands are very well aware of whats going on, but have reasons to support Booi.

He does not understand why Bijleveld announces an investigation on corruption on Aruba and makes a fuss about corruption on St. Maarten, but does not consider Bonaire.

A change in government on Bonaire can have substantial consequences for the constitutional process whereby Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba become the BES islands. The Netherlands were negotiating mostly with Booi, Bonaires main leader in the last ten years.

The opposition has always complained that the Island Council was being sidelined and that the population only received sparse information. Consequently, the support for the changes is limited and society is severely divided, said Abraham.

His faction is against the current agreements with the Netherlands, while one action group zealously advocates a referendum and the clergy fear deterioration of morals because of locally controversial issues such as gay marriage and euthanasia that are accepted in the Netherlands.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m013/powerm013.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on June 02, 2009, 01:22:19 PM
Good Morning Monkeys.

Back to my own little hidey hole where I am alone but not lonely.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
8:40 AM


Hey Janet,

This week has been horrible and hardly NO news covering the 4 year old case. This all stinks and Aruba sucks! Do you feel that things are still happening quietly?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 02:08:34 PM
Good Morning Monkeys.

Back to my own little hidey hole where I am alone but not lonely.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet
8:40 AM


Hey Janet,

This week has been horrible and hardly NO news covering the 4 year old case. This all stinks and Aruba sucks! Do you feel that things are still happening quietly?

You bet!!

Beth Holloway is not about to give up ... even if it takes another 36 years.

Janet

++++++


Tuesday, August 23, 2005

On the Record w / Greta - August 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: I met him in his (PM Oduber) office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is.  And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba, I will.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166524,00.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Edward on June 02, 2009, 02:48:33 PM
Spokesperson Marianne Croes, of the prosecutor's office: King was and is on holiday. He was indeed not present on behalf of the PM


Discusting group of criminals, covering for each other.
jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 05:23:44 PM

Not only does logic dictate that justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family would never be the outcome of the Persistence undertaken ... it is apparent that those who assisted in underwriting the search efforts with donations ... unwittingly furthered the Aruban coverup agenda through the incompetence (?) of John Silvetti.  Others think it was something more than incompentence ... much more.

Think about it.  Tim Trahan was the Persistence's only diver!  What redeeming quality in regards to the search effort will he leave as a legacy?

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif)

Janet

+++++++

THE PERSISTENCE'S DIVER - TIM TRAHAN

1.  THE SIGNAL

Why would Tim Trahan makes up a signal for the viewers of Dateline ... a signal that had no meaning to anybody but him?
_________

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
Reply #284 on: March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM


To clarify the thumb down issue: It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive. One thumb up was to indicate human remains.  There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.280


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee.  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission/


2. VISIBILITY - AIR TIME

Tim Trahan's visibility was hindered but ... the Aruban divers clearly observed.

Tim Trahan enter the dive with a few seconds of air time leaving the Aruban divers on the ocean floor to finish the mission.
______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
Reply #284 on: March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM


By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive

What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.28


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it. 

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.


3.  INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW.

What did Tim Trahan have to contribute to the collaboration that left John Silvetti "out of the loop" ... Tim Trahan who was the December 30th diver who saw nothing ... Tim Trahan who was "out of the country" on January 7th when the Aruban divers took sole possession of the trap's contents?
_________

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time.

Kyle Kingman:   Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kyle Kingman:  Differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 02, 2009, 05:23:54 PM
WOW . . If you only knew how much I despise the Justice system in my country!!

It makes me so sad and even . . ashamed of  ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 05:25:18 PM
You and me both, KTF!!!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Doesn't it make you wonder just WHY he solicited donations to that un-named PO Box in Kemah for this "search" - considering he had all of those millions in his pocket, and was being touted as DONATING ALL THE FUNDS for the search?

"The Search" is Hinky to say the least!Exactly..Why solicite for donations when you just got done pilfering your stockholders for around 100/200 million dollars!Ran outta money,My AZZZZ..You probably coulda funded the search on the interest alone? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not to mention the crew (Kyle included) reportedly working for 20 cents on the dollar?

And all of the equipment that was donated for this use by other companies - Silvetti's included.

I wonder if any of those folks have read all this and figured out just how badly they got swindled also?

The members of the crew were on board the Persistence.  They observed everything.

Could it be that that confidentiality agreements and career incentives dictates that their silence regarding any suspicion of wrongdong would be a given?

Could it be that Kyle Kingman who possessed a foundation of knowledge regarding the dynamic encompassing the coverup from Monkeys on the Natalee Holloway forum ... had honorable intentions of exposing what he perceived as a betrayal to the family by John Silvetti?

Could that this foundation of knowledge was the reason Kyle reached out to the Natalee's Freebirds for assistance in his mission.

Could it be that somewhere along the way Kyle was convinced otherwise and ... justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family took a backseat?

Janet

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THE PLAN

KYLE KINGMANS OWN WORDS - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS

 
Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.
 


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Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 06:30:36 PM
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Google translation:

Hard to hard in the States letter Bijleveld

2 Jun, 2009, 16:33 (GMT -04:00)

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Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, together with ministers Wever, Croes and Swaen during the emergency debate yesterday in the States.

ORANGE CITY - Tensions ran high during the emergency debate was held yesterday on the occasion of the upcoming review of Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA). The number scheldkanonnades harassment and showed once again that, with elections to the door, there is no love lost between the government and the opposition.

Our verlsaggever
Arin Rasmijn

"Rats are the ones who Netherlands. They bite you and run away. "Minister of Health, Immigration and Environment Candelario 'Booshi" Wever (MEP) is not economical with his words about the plan of State Secretary Bijleveld the administrative functioning in Aruba to investigate. "You will see it soon again is heard to say that they had not intended," said the minister. His own letter to the Lower House also discussed, but the minister can not let the words ladron (thief) and Horta (steal) to use when he talks about the operations of the ASF government. Apparently it was already previously agreed that those words were not used and States President Mervin Wyatt-Ras (MEP), the Minister is right and last a short break. During this break is Ady group Thijsen (MEP) with a thesaurus at all for the word ladron. Hilarity all around. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) makes some own additions, including dede largo (long fingers).

Cheerleaders
The Government group of MEP was urgent debate two motions in question. One for the government itself to examine whether the observations Bijleveld in its letter to the Lower House on truth and a motion of censure against the State because they would treat no neutrality in its treatment of the Aruban business. At the beginning of the day called the AVP group requesting the debate "is just as absurd as the points themselves. Fractielid Benny Sevinger announces that anyway an investigation is, whether it comes from the Netherlands or after September 25, by his own party. Andy Lee blames the advent of the research to the failure of the parliament. The majority group would 'as a bunch of cheerleaders' criticism against the government and allow everything.

'Pedophile'
Prime Minister Oduber gets his speeches reports Koerten and De Ruiter from the old box for the famous slap ASF to Netherlands and identifies the inventors of corruption and piracy. The Prime Minister then asked openly whether IRT committee leader Jan van TRAA actually a car accident was deceased. Later in the evening Minister Wever loses its last remaining calm when RED group it indicates that he is' constantly a consultant in Santa Cruz needs to be aware of his own boards. "I do not at least with children, bite Wever and makes Lampe during the rest of his speech of 'traitor', 'pedophile' and 'pig'. States President Ras Wever hardly calls to order. It calls on another short break, walk to his table and stores Wever coquettishly on the arm. "Not as bullying, you!" The Lampe made a motion to welcome the investigation is unanimously rejected by the MEP Group.

Donkeys and horses
During the first round of the debate, leaving the entire AVP-group room. In the second round, Andy Lee long time the only available. Premier Oduber Minister Swaen speaks to his praise on Lee. "I admire the guy." Ady Thijsen is it in the old Aruban saying: "The donkeys are working hard so the horses can eat." Only at night when it voted, turned back with the Green Group in its wake a dozen supporters that demonstration in the public gallery to sit down. "Cheerleaders!", Raises MEP fractielid Dino Croes. Benny Sevinger for the vote with a final kick below the belt, this time addressed to MEP group Ady Thijsen. "Nice to see that person for our part traitor just a few months ago here in the car Saturday to discuss the scope of his government." Thijsen respond clearly gepikeerd: "Idiot! You see me still sitting here? "Below the final vote. The motions of government by the majority group in parliament accepted. It is silent and stands for the anthem and then leave, not without first what to call each other back home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 06:38:24 PM
WOW . . If you only knew how much I despise the Justice system in my country!!

It makes me so sad and even . . ashamed of  ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Year 12 and TBS for shoot cop

2 Jun, 2009, 16:30 (GMT -04:00)

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The 28-year-old principal agente Cevat Gabrielle.

ORANGE CITY / AMSTERDAM - The 50-year old Aruban Franklin Falcone for the shooting death of principal agente Cevat Gabrille (28) in July last year, twelve years imprisonment with compulsory care received. That, the court in Amsterdam today.

The eighteen years that the Public Prosecutor (OM) had been required in the opinion of the court is too high, given Falcone reduced allocation was open at the time of the incident. Moreover, he does not know that the court was agente Cevat. Falcone was in addition to the murder of Cevat also guilty of attempted murder, for grievous bodily harm and threat. Moreover, the court convicted him for possession of firearms prohibited.

Main Agente Cevat on July 9, 2008 en route to a police station in Amstelveen for a night to run. Dressed in civilian clothes she saw a black car on the winding road driving. This put them in her private car in the chase. When Falcone parked the car, she wanted to call him on his behavior. That opportunity was not them, he shot her down almost immediately. The agent died shortly afterwards in hospital. The perpetrator was arrested shortly afterwards.

After his arrest wanted Falcone long time and nothing explained, citing his right to silence. On January 13 this year he was first a statement before the court. During the additional investigation, the offender by the Pieter Baan Centrum (PBC) were examined. The court wanted to know what the mental state of Falcone was during the crime. Falcone was often in contact with the judiciary. He was previously convicted of threats, rape and unlawful deprivation of liberty, attempted murder and drug trafficking.


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Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
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Google Translation:

Aruba

PG: 'Discussion salary not cause deficit officers'

2 Jun, 2009, 16:28 (GMT -04:00)


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The Public Ministry is still struggling with a large number of vacancies.

ORANGE CITY - According to Attorney-General (PG) Rob Pietersz is not a difference of opinion about the salaries of two candidate prosecutors not to get. During the application has not held to existing procedures, the highest boss of the Public Prosecutor (OM) of Aruba.

In the high-profile letter (May 25 jl) of the Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) to Parliament on the State Board of Aruba, one finds that understaffing of the Aruban OM. It requires the person under that regime the number of places for prosecutors was not completed due to a discussion about the salary. It is a conflict between two candidate officers by the previous (acting) PG Nico Jrg adopted and Justice Minister Rudy Croes. That there is disagreement on the salary by the minister confirmed.

In an earlier interview with this newspaper on May 12, the PG all that the real reason not wage debate, but because his predecessor is not the correct procedures followed. For example, two candidates promised that they would be nominated to be appointed to Prosecutor. "The person who was thought, have not taken into account a number of existing procedures. That can not be taken lightly. You can not just nominate someone as an officer. It should geballoteerd by the raio committee. "This selection is under the President of the Common Court of Justice. Both candidates are Pietersz not been for this committee, let alone geballoteerd. "Subsequently, found that unclear about the whole procedure. I have then taken the initiative to a different regulation in together. "

It is the PG for a reduced inflow procedure for persons who for some years in a legal office work. Instead of starting down the ladder and a training of five to six years to follow, these experienced lawyers lateral inflows. "That means that they have a very strict training officer within 2 years can be. Thus alone can work as an officer. "

According Pietersz is reduced inflow path almost ready and the two adopted candidate officers participate. He regretted that the discussion this time. "It is a pity. We had close consultations with the President of the Court and it was not done. Then they told what was what. "

The PG said in the interview, however, that it is indeed busy. And that given the amount of work an extension of the officer corps is needed. "We have five officers including a principal officer. A normal line is in my eyes seven officers. "A new Advocate General has been recruited as a principal officer. The names make it for Friday known. For the outgoing officer in November of Justice Kasper van der Schaft is in major holiday for a successor search.
 
The difference in pay between members of the OM in the West - these are raised in 2007 - and Aruba, according to the PG no reason that vacancies were difficult to complete. This was previously noted in the 2007 annual report of the OM by predecessor Jrg. "You can not compare the situation with the West. Here are the officers in the service of the country Aruba. So the whole status of the country for them to apply. Should it be that in the past as an officer in a higher salary scale has been, it could then possibly happened. But you must look at the time now. At this moment, the status very clearly defined and documented. And you can not ever done a bit earlier, since a system of sliding sideways. "

Finally, the PG says that under the Agricultural Research has been resolved. "That does not mean 1,2,3, that we will see that everything runs smoothly. There are many things that become more and more. But as they worked. The fact that so nothing comes out, does not mean that there is no investigation. "


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Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 06:44:39 PM
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Google Translation:

Aruba

'Building Westin seized'

2 Jun, 2009, 16:27 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - According to local media, the building of The Westin Resort by the U.S. bank Wachovia have been seized. Thus the owner a lot of catching up on his monthly quota. The bank would have made several attempts to blame the owner of the building to cancel, but without any result. Now the bank would sell the building and appear to have much interest. The general manager of West In Richard Roy was not on the details. "The only thing I can say is that the information that the media brings out not correct." The Wachovia bank was also no details about the owner of the building and the situation. The Wachovia bank, the case in the hands of well-known lawyers in Aruba have made. For example, on May 20 the building are taken from the owner and to the Wachovia bank. The whole state will operate the hotel in no way affect, "said Roy. "The ownership of the building and the hotel offers separately."


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Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 06:48:14 PM
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Google Translation:

Aruba

Hard requirements trader at Christmas

2 Jun, 2009, 16:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Entrepreneur Tom van der Biezen, known for Kerstboomlandia has
Last Friday, 360 days imprisonment against themselves heard requirements. There are 256 days conditionally less for arrest. Van der Biezen is suspected of money laundering sing for a million robbery from a cash car in October last year. Of the 1.6 million dollars is stolen a total of 563,000 dollars recovered. Trace is still over 1 million dollars.

The prosecutor also wants that Van der Biezen money transport company and the affected bank compensation paid. Finally, the officer also demanded 240 hours of service and a fine of 15,000 florin. The Public Prosecutor (OM) demanded by Gregorio Regales for his role in stealing the money five years in prison. He is more suspicious of complicity to theft, involvement in a criminal organization and money laundering. He must pay the officer.

Cash
The previously sentenced to four years showed Gilbert Hernandez, along with his wife Jeanette Hernandez-Peterson to be the mastermind behind the robbery. He worked as a supervisor in the money transport Aruba Armored Transfer. Hernandez provided the key to the Transport and information on the cash. On the day of transport rode Gregorio Regales with Luis Kwidama in a van to Caribbean Mercantile Bank (CMB) in Caya Betico Croes transportauto which was parked at that time. Previously, the transportauto at a branch of Aruba Bank, and had four sacks with 1.6 million dollars loaded. While the money in CMB runners went inside to cash drawers, the thieves broke their work. Hernandez and Peterson were in a passenger car traffic, so Regales and Kwidama with the van undisturbed stroke could save. Kwidama got off the bus and retrieved using a false key money bags from the armored car. This was recorded by security cameras CMB. Then he stepped back into the bus and reason them away.

The money had runners of all this suspicion and have no money for CMB in a different part of the transportauto loaded. Then his car and they run to their final destination. During unloading runners discovered the money to their great horror that money was missing.

Loan
The four robbers met each other money meanwhile in the case of Ruben Marin where the money was distributed. After Regales got its share, according to say 250,000 dollars, he offered his friend Ko-Fung Ho money to lend. Although Ho himself was not interested, he knew someone who wanted to borrow money. He and Van der Biezen Regales together. The Christmas tree trader had 400,000 florin for the purchase of Christmas trees and fireworks. The pair said that the Christmas tree seller the money back in December would otherwise pay 15 percent or 60,000 florin interest would be. According to Van der Biezen has Regales during those calls that he says in a legal way the money has come. Regales has confirmed this to court. Nonetheless, the officer believes that Van der Biezen, once Regales was arrested, had to come forward and police had to report that a significant amount of money he had borrowed from Regales.


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Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 06:56:43 PM
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Aruba

New Cafe 080 opens doors

2 Jun, 2009, 16:22 (GMT -04:00)

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Cafe 080 North was opened yesterday afternoon by 'Aunt Ria.

ORANGE CITY - Cafe 080, a new Dutch rumshop 'North yesterday at two o'clock in the afternoon officially opened the doors. Immediately after opening the drink has flowed generously to the many friends, acquaintances and other thirsty customers needs. From Wednesday, the pub also a small selection of snacks and fried chips offer.

Owners Sjoerd Rutten (34) and Jaap Rikken (30) glunderden of satisfaction in the short opening ceremony yesterday. 'Aunt Ria - Jaap and family on holiday on the island - held a short speech and cut the ribbon on. The name 080 comes from the old number of the city of Nijmegen, where both owners' born 'are. The pub bosses are seasoned hospitality people. Thus, Rutten Nijmegen in a bar and he worked on Aruba including in the old Havana and the recently closed Le Dome. Rikken did his first catering experience in Nijmegen and put that on the island for the past Kokoa Beach bar, the current Bugaloe and later as a bartender in Salt 'n Pepper. There was Rikken out regularly to see behind the bar at Jimmy's Place.

Although economic times are not the best, think the two can make a success of 080. They focus on people who are good fun for little money a drink and a small snack will do. The pub bosses together with family and some friends the last six weeks trying to refer to restore to painting and renovation. "We have hard days needed to open today to go," said Rikken. It was still Monday morning quickly installed a new checkout. Opening of new cafe his daily two-hour lunch and two hours at night. Normal is the case every Wednesday. This week, in connection with the opening, the pub is also on this day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 07:51:00 PM
When you consider that on January 7, 2008 the enemy was afforded unchallenged possession of the trap contents by John Silvetti ... contents that according to Kyle Kingman's own words may have been Natalee Holloway's remains ... the implication is that on April 3, 2008 this man was scamming for donations.

Janet

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BFN
Quote from: LegallyLex on April 03, 2008, 07:42:52 PM


John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search. Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?

John: It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line.

Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:   I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:   John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on June 02, 2009, 08:47:19 PM
Hi everyone, I am back!  I had the sweet iced tea made yesterday, but I drank it all.    I should have gone with the blueberry wine.

Loved being with the granddaughters, but gosh they are busy!   I am cocooning myself this week, as I am back to what little work there is, and feeling sad that my husbands birthday would have been this Thursday.  I find my self wanting to hide from the world for awhile.  Not healthy I know, but my way. 

Janet the weather was just beautiful in Seattle.  I don't remember it being like that when I lived there!    Nice to be home in AZ though. 

I am so disappointed in reading there has been so little mention this week of Natalee.  We will not let them forget. 

Hugs all...


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 02, 2009, 08:53:32 PM
Welcome back, AZSunny.  If you are going to cocoon, do it with us!! 

Yes, we are not going away or giving up on justice for Natalee.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on June 02, 2009, 08:56:52 PM

You bet!  Eastern or Western Canada.  Magnificent scenery.  The mountains.  The ocean.  Friendly people.



I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Hi AZSunny

I have missed ya.

Did you have lots of fun with the grandkids?  Did you see me waving at ya across the Canadian border.  I bet you never had to unpack that sweater you brought along.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Today the temperatures hit around 80 degrees F.  Hubby and I are head to Crescent Beach with friends this evening.  A walk along the water's edge with bare feet is where it is at.  Dessert and coffee/tea at one of quaint little cafe will top off the evening.

Anyways ... welcome back.

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on June 02, 2009, 09:03:42 PM
Welcome back, AZSunny.  If you are going to cocoon, do it with us!! 

Yes, we are not going away or giving up on justice for Natalee.

Hi 2NJ... thanks for the welcome,

Janet is right, I took all these sweaters and did not wear a one of them!  Not quite shorts weather, but lovely none the less.  I saw all of my husbands family while i was there, as they brought a great picnic lunch and a huge salmon, and we ate it outside.  It was fun to see them again, and they sure helped relieve me with the GD for the day!  I think I know why women have their children younger.  whew.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
Hi everyone, I am back!  I had the sweet iced tea made yesterday, but I drank it all.    I should have gone with the blueberry wine.

Loved being with the granddaughters, but gosh they are busy!   I am cocooning myself this week, as I am back to what little work there is, and feeling sad that my husbands birthday would have been this Thursday.  I find my self wanting to hide from the world for awhile.  Not healthy I know, but my way. 

Janet the weather was just beautiful in Seattle.  I don't remember it being like that when I lived there!    Nice to be home in AZ though. 

I am so disappointed in reading there has been so little mention this week of Natalee.  We will not let them forget. 

Hugs all...

(((Hugs))) AZSunny!  I'm so glad you're back!  We've missed you.  I know your granddaughters must've loved having you all to themselves for a few days.  But I also know what you mean about them being "busy", lol.  One of my best friends has three GD's and I've been there with her when she's had them for the weekend.  They're a joy to her but we both end up saying at sometime "thank goodness we had boys", and laughing!  I agree with 2NJ in hoping you cocoon with us.  We all love you and understand your sadness with your hubby's birthday this week.  I'll be thinking of you Thursday, and hope I'll see you here.  We will be here digging and waiting on any sign that our prayers for Justice for Natalee are being answered.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on June 02, 2009, 10:35:28 PM
Hi everyone, I am back!  I had the sweet iced tea made yesterday, but I drank it all.    I should have gone with the blueberry wine.

Loved being with the granddaughters, but gosh they are busy!   I am cocooning myself this week, as I am back to what little work there is, and feeling sad that my husbands birthday would have been this Thursday.  I find my self wanting to hide from the world for awhile.  Not healthy I know, but my way. 

Janet the weather was just beautiful in Seattle.  I don't remember it being like that when I lived there!    Nice to be home in AZ though. 

I am so disappointed in reading there has been so little mention this week of Natalee.  We will not let them forget. 

Hugs all...

(((Hugs))) AZSunny!  I'm so glad you're back!  We've missed you.  I know your granddaughters must've loved having you all to themselves for a few days.  But I also know what you mean about them being "busy", lol.  One of my best friends has three GD's and I've been there with her when she's had them for the weekend.  They're a joy to her but we both end up saying at sometime "thank goodness we had boys", and laughing!  I agree with 2NJ in hoping you cocoon with us.  We all love you and understand your sadness with your hubby's birthday this week.  I'll be thinking of you Thursday, and hope I'll see you here.  We will be here digging and waiting on any sign that our prayers for Justice for Natalee are being answered.

 Hi TM.. thanks for the welcome and kind words.  This is so hard, and it has been 10 months since I lost John.  I am trying to stay busy, but my mind wanders terribly.    I am trying to read back to see what I missed with Natalee, and I am so disappointed with so little action.   I can just imagine how Beth must feel.  Another milestone for her without Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 10:39:24 PM
Congrats KTF! 

Washington Huskies NCAA Women's Softball National Champions!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 02, 2009, 10:44:04 PM
Congrats KTF! 

Washington Huskies NCAA Women's Softball National Champions!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::
I hope they enjoyed OKC!  Congrats!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 02, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
Congrats KTF! 

Washington Huskies NCAA Women's Softball National Champions!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::
I hope they enjoyed OKC!  Congrats!

I wanna thank Wreck for calling on his buddies to put some of that Hinky stuff in Florida's Gatorade..... ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanx Tm & Wreck.It's nice to root for something up here in Seattle.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 02, 2009, 11:40:44 PM
Congrats KTF! 

Washington Huskies NCAA Women's Softball National Champions!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::
I hope they enjoyed OKC!  Congrats!

I wanna thank Wreck for calling on his buddies to put some of that Hinky stuff in Florida's Gatorade..... ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanx Tm & Wreck.It's nice to root for something up here in Seattle.. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 03, 2009, 01:04:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 02:01:32 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


                      WE'RE STILL HERE ARUBA..36YRS AND COUNTING


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 03, 2009, 02:05:11 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: Sebastian Vandersloot as "Charlie Brown"! ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

6/2/2009 Aruba Today Front Page and Page 2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/06022009_ArubaTodayFP_SebastianVand.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/06022009_ArubaToday02A_Sebastian-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 03, 2009, 02:06:28 AM


Poor Charlie Brown!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 02:09:07 AM


Poor Charlie Brown!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyDevil::

You think Snoopy is gonna be upset when she gets on the forum?? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 03, 2009, 02:12:23 AM


Poor Charlie Brown!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyDevil::

You think Snoopy is gonna be upset when she gets on the forum?? ::MonkeyDevil::

I imagine so!   ::MonkeyDevil::

And it HAD to be "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown"    ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 03, 2009, 02:14:23 AM
Well, I'm calling it a night...need some sleep; but I'll probably have nightmares now!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I should have never opened that link tonight! 

Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 02:16:28 AM
Well, I'm calling it a night...need some sleep; but I'll probably have nightmares now!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I should have never opened that link tonight! 

Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight TM... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 02:17:54 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

I DO BELIEVE IN MIRACLES

KEEPTHEFAITH



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 03, 2009, 11:27:30 AM
 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 03, 2009, 12:25:19 PM
 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: caesu on June 03, 2009, 01:13:14 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57489.php

Google translation:

Hard to hard in the States letter Bijleveld

2 Jun, 2009, 16:33 (GMT -04:00)


amigoe translation:

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The gloves were off in the States regarding Bijlevelds letter
2 Jun, 2009, 11:13 (GMT -04:00)

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Premier Nelson Oduber together with the Ministers Wever, Croes, and Swaen during the emergency debate in the States yesterday.
ORANJESTAD The tensions were mounting high during the emergency debate which was held yesterday regarding the forthcoming investigation of State secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA). The barrages of abuse and harassments once again demonstrated that with the upcoming elections there is no love lost between the government and the opposition.

By our reporter Arin Rasmijn

The Dutch! Theyre rats. They bite you and then run away. Minister of Public Health, Aliens Affairs and Environment, Candelario Booshi Wever (MEP) is not sparing with his words on State secretary Bijlevelds plan to investigate the government functioning on Aruba. You will see, that within short she will be in touch to say that she hadnt meant it that way, says the minister. His own letter to the Lower Chamber also comes up for discussion, but the minister cannot resist using the words ladron (thief) and horta (stealing) when he mentions the actions of the AVP-government. Apparently, it was previously decided upon that these words would not be used, and States Chairwoman Mervin Wyatt-Ras (MEP) therefore reprimands the minister and introduces a short break. During this break, fraction leader Ady Thijsen (MEP) came up with a list of synonyms for the word ladron, causing great hilarity. Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) suggested a few additions, amongst which dede largo (sticky fingers).

Cheerleaders
The government fraction of MEP had requested the emergency debate to introduce two motions. One, to let the government investigate if the observations of Bijleveld in her letter to the Lower Chamber are based on the truth, and one vote of no-confidence against the State secretary, as she did not exercise neutrality in her treatment of the Aruban case.
At the beginning of the day, the AVP-fractions considered the request for a debate just as absurd as the motions. Fraction member Benny Sevinger announced that no matter what, an investigation will be carried out, either by the Netherlands, or after September 25th, by his own party. Andy Lee blames the forthcoming investigation on the failure of the parliament. The majority of the fractions are just like a group of cheerleaders uncritical with regard to the cabinet and allowing everything.

Pedophile
For his speeches, Minister-president Oduber retrieved old reports of Koerten and De Ruiter, for the familiar lashing towards AVP, and says that the Dutch are the inventors of corruption, and piracy. Furthermore, the Premier openly wonders if IRT-committee leader Jan van Traa actually died of a car accident.

Later on in the evening, minister Wever loses his composure when RED-fraction leader points out to him, that he constantly has to approach an advisor in Santa Cruz if he wants to keep abreast of his own directorates. At least I dont do it with children, Wever snarled a reproach, and called Lampe a traitor, pedophile, and pig during the remainder of his speech. States Chairwoman Ras barely reprimands Wever. For the umpteenth time she introduces a short break, walks over to Wevers table, and  coquettishly slaps him on the arm, saying You shouldnt needle him so!
The motion introduced by Lampe to welcome the investigation, is unanimously rejected by the MEP-fraction.

Donkeys and horses
The entire AVP-fraction left the hall, already during the first round of the debate. Andy Lee was the only one present during most of the second round. Premier Oduber spoke highly of Lee to minister Swaen. I admire that boy. Ady Thijsen agrees with him by uttering the old Aruban saying: the donkeys work hard so the horses can eat. It is not until the evening, when the voting begins that the green fraction returns with in her track a dozen supporters who demonstratively seat themselves in the gallery.
MEP-fraction member Dino Croes, shouts Cheerleaders! Just before the voting, Benny Sevinger gives a last strike below the belt, this time to MEP-fraction leader Ady Thijsen. Nice to see that the one now calling us a traitor sat in our car just a few months ago and talked about the collapsing of the government. Thijsen is clearly irritated: Idiot! You see me sitting here, dont you? Afterwards the voting final took place. The majority in the parliament accepts the motions of the government fractions. All fall silent, rise for the national anthem, start to leave for home, but not without first calling out to each other.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57513.php

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 03, 2009, 01:21:28 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::  Holy crap!

And I thought US politics was a rats nest!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 03, 2009, 01:37:37 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys,


 ::MonkeyWaa::

Look what they have done to Charlie Brown!  I think the Sloots have a tremendous problem with telling their children just that, that they are good when they are not.  The videos we have seen of this one do not portray what I would consider a good person but yet another total narcissist.  Thinks much too highly of himself and his comedic effects. 

There is nothing funny or cute about a Sloot and their position in society should reflect a much more subdued role.  Like keeping their mouths shut and out of our faces.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 03, 2009, 01:41:06 PM
WOW . . If you only knew how much I despise the Justice system in my country!!

It makes me so sad and even . . ashamed of  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F4059735%2F__12_jaar_cel_en_tbs_voor_moord_Cevat__.html%3Fp%3D22%2C1&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=en%7Cnl%7CWOW%2520.%2520.%2520If%2520you%2520only%2520knew%2520how%2520much%2520I%2520dispice%2520the%2520Justice%2520system%2520in%2520my%2520country%21%21%250D%250A%250D%250AIt%2520makes%2520me%2520so%2520sad%2520and%2520even%2520.%2520.%2520ashamed%2520of&swap=1



I am also shocked and saddened by this slap on the wrist for this criminal.

Since she was a member of LE I did expect the sentence to be more in line with the norms for such a crime.  The whole world is going to know where to go to commit crimes in the future.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 03, 2009, 02:15:11 PM
The Ties That Bind


GeoLAB Norway:
www.fugro.com/downloads/corporate/reports/FugroJV2008ENG.pdf

MARITIME- DATABASE.COM
ABN AMRO Trust Company

Activity : Ship Owner/Manager/Operator
Address : Nieuwe Weteringstraat 38
1017 SP Amsterdam
Netherlands
Zipcode : 1017 SP
Town : Amsterdam
Country : Netherlands
Phone : +31 20 406 4444
Fax : +31 20 406 4555
Website : www.abnamrotrust.com
http://www.maritime-database.com/company.php?cid=250709
--------------


Press Release
30 June 2005  

ABN AMRO Asset Management completes sale of ABN AMRO Trust and Management Service Companies to Equity Trust  

ABN AMRO Asset Management and Equity Trust today completed the sale of ABN AMRO Trust and Management Service Companies to Equity Trust. The agreement for the sale and purchase was previously announced on 15 October 2004. This sale is in line with ABN AMRO Asset Management's strategy to concentrate on its core activities.

The transaction has been approved by the regulatory authorities and is effective as of today. ABN AMRO Asset Management has carefully selected Equity Trust as purchaser based on Equity Trust's reputation in the trust sector, produce expertise and broad service level. Equity Trust will take on most of ABN AMRO Trust staff. Equity Trust will now integrate ABN AMRO's trust activities into its existing operations to achieve the full benefits of the partnership.

http://www.group.abnamro.com/pressroom/pressreleasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=278236
---------

Equity Trust Co. N.V operates as a trust and fiduciary services group that supports high net worth individuals, corporations, and intermediaries worldwide. Its services include trustee, estate planning, family office, private and commercial vessel registration, corporate management, structuring, investor support, fund, and employee benefit services. The company operates in various jurisdictions in Europe, the United Kingdom and Channel Islands, the Asia-Pacific, the Caribbean, and Americas. It has presence in the United States, Aruba, Uruguay, British Virgin Islands, Jersey, the United Kingdom, Rotterdam, Belgium, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Mauritius, Taiwan, Singapore, New Zealand, Sweden, Panama, Cayman Islands, Argentina, Brazil, the Netherlands Antilles, Bermuda, Guernsey, the Netherlands, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malaysia, China, Labuan, Samoa, Cyprus, and Malta. Equity Trust Co. N.V. was founded in 1970 and is based in Amsterdam, the Netherlands
http://www.linkedin.com/companies/equity-trust
Petroleum Marketing International
Date of Incorporation July 15, 1991

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD

*It lists 4 individuals, and then one company in this list:

EQUITY TRUST MANAGEMENT SERVICES (ARUBA) NV

Esatblished at:  LG Smith Blvd 62 Suite 307 Oranjestad Aruba

Position:  Registered Agent

Since: November 28, 2007

Authority:  FULL
------------

OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPANY:

To manage and/or operate, either alone or together with other corporations, persons or firms, all and every kind of installation. facility, refinery, terminal, pipeline, harbor, quay and dock for the transportation, handling, processing, refining and storage of petroleum, gas, coal, oils, fuels of all kinds, lubricants and hydrocarbons of every kind and all products or derivatives thereof and liquids in general.

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

(to locate, type in the name:  Petroleum Marketing International - click on it, and scroll scroll scroll)

**Thanks for the help on this from some fellow Monkeys - you know who you are** ::MonkeyCool::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 03, 2009, 02:40:18 PM
Since November 28, 2007........  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 03, 2009, 02:46:25 PM
Since November 28, 2007........  ::MonkeyCool::

Yup!

Quite the coinky dink, don't you think?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 03, 2009, 02:46:55 PM
Since November 28, 2007........  ::MonkeyCool::
Yep....Isn't that Interesting!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 03, 2009, 02:48:01 PM
Since November 28, 2007........  ::MonkeyCool::
Yep....Isn't that Ineresting!  ::MonkeyWink::
Correction! That word is suppose to be Interesting! lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 03, 2009, 02:52:22 PM
The Ties That Bind


GeoLAB Norway:
www.fugro.com/downloads/corporate/reports/FugroJV2008ENG.pdf

<snipped>


It would appear that the career opportunities that were afforded to Kyle Kingman during the summer of 2008 could explain his silence and why he backtracked on his original honorable intentions of exposing the John Silvetti betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family ... John Silvetti betrayal revealed in his own words.

Janet

+++++++


Kingman Geophysical Solutions

Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Ormen Lange Excavation -North Sea, Norway


Ormen Lange deep sea pipeline excavation monitoring. Working in conjunction with Oceaneering, SRD, and Fugro Norway on board the Island Valiant. Magnum working class ROV and high-resolution multibeam sonar. StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/2008/07/ormen-lange-excavation-north-sea-norway.html


The Travels and Thoughts of Kyle Kingman  

Through Skyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008
 
I called Knut Landstad, who was my point of contact in Oslo to let him know I was leaving the airport ...

The offshore project manager, John told me ....

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html


The Travels and Thoughts of Kyle Kingman

Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July

Its 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane At least its not as hot as UAE, I think to myself. Please God; let my driver be waiting for me. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I dont know who the client is, what the job is, what Im doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt ...

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 08/1/08
:  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 03, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
Since November 28, 2007........  ::MonkeyCool::

Does it not make a person wonder.................WHY would this company change their Registered Agent all of a sudden?

Why, after being in existence since 1991 - would they change that Agent in November 2007?  ::MonkeyWink::

An Agent that has ties to GeoLab, no less?

GeoLab - the Owner of which had another of his companies headed to Aruba in December 2007.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 03, 2009, 02:59:13 PM
The Ties That Bind


GeoLAB Norway:
www.fugro.com/downloads/corporate/reports/FugroJV2008ENG.pdf

<snipped>


It would appear that the career opportunities that were afforded to Kyle Kingman during the summer of 2008 could explain his silence and why he backtracked on his original honorable intentions of exposing the John Silvetti betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family ... John Silvetti betrayal revealed in his own words.

Janet

+++++++


Kingman Geophysical Solutions

Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Ormen Lange Excavation -North Sea, Norway


Ormen Lange deep sea pipeline excavation monitoring. Working in conjunction with Oceaneering, SRD, and Fugro Norway on board the Island Valiant. Magnum working class ROV and high-resolution multibeam sonar. StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/2008/07/ormen-lange-excavation-north-sea-norway.html


The Travels and Thoughts of Kyle Kingman  

Through Skyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008
 
I called Knut Landstad, who was my point of contact in Oslo to let him know I was leaving the airport ...

The offshore project manager, John told me ....

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html


The Travels and Thoughts of Kyle Kingman

Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July

Its 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane At least its not as hot as UAE, I think to myself. Please God; let my driver be waiting for me. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I dont know who the client is, what the job is, what Im doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt ...

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 08/1/08
:  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.


 :smooch


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE NATALEE HOLLOWAY

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE NATALEE HOLLOWAY

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 03, 2009, 03:02:37 PM
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE NATALEE HOLLOWAY

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

You bet your bippy there will be!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2009, 03:07:47 PM
http://www.bucuticam.com/bucutizoom.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 03, 2009, 03:11:25 PM
Thanks Klaas - that just puts a big smile on my face. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2009, 03:13:05 PM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71709

Quote
Kododo    Post subject: ..Ever wonder how..Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:20 am 
 Senior
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 11:59 pm
Posts: 191 

Ever wonder on how some merchant can grow so rapidly while dispensing cheaper good/services.....Diario-6-03-2009 has a pictorial...of possibly "chinese slavery in Aruba."
To build their new facility (super market structure) a Chinese Merchant legally imported all his employees from China. Now found to be living/working in deplorable conditions. The work permit$$ must have been a blessings to a few.

(added): At the end of their permit, most likely, they will just stay and be another"(guarded-illegal alien)."

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news1.html

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/chines9.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 03, 2009, 03:36:16 PM
It has been speculated since early on and ... apparently Jug Twitty was aware that the Persistence undertaking was two fold"

1.  The search for Natalee Holloway's remains
2.  A business venture.

If the two fold intention had been the understanding from the getgo ... I believe that many would have rejoiced and been thankful nevertheless.  I would have.

However ... it is the deception of hiding the business aspect while outreaching to raise donations to assist in underwriting the costs that arouses suspicion.  I believe this is referred to as a scam.

Also ... it is Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the recovery processes encompassing the trap contents ... the recovery process where John Silvetti afforded unchallenged possession to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  Inquiring minds want to know why.

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line.

Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:   I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:   John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 03, 2009, 03:46:54 PM
AZSunny

I know you are going through a difficult period as the anniversary of the passing of your precious John is approaching.

My heart breaks for you.

I do not know how I would cope.  I may appear to strong in my words but ... in reality my hubby is my rock ... my rock who gives me confidence.  My stength to endure without him  would have to be God-given because I know I could never do it on my own.

Hugs

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 03, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
Good afternoon All.  I see you are still hard at it.  I need to do some catching up to see where you are at right now, but I am positive in the end it will be "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
I was wonderin how much longer you Mods were gonna leave KTF all alone San!!My mind was at work.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on June 03, 2009, 07:53:16 PM
I was wonderin how much longer you Mods were gonna leave KTF all alone San!!My mind was at work.... ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi KTF.  I see you have mastered the art of centering  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2009, 07:59:01 PM
Looks like someone died.  Can't tell if they fished him out of the water or what:

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Mere on June 03, 2009, 08:01:39 PM
Hi Monkeys....I see in my area that there is a re-run on E! of The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway...starting now at 8 pm EST


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 03, 2009, 08:04:59 PM
Looks like someone died.  Can't tell if they fished him out of the water or what:

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/
It still disturbs me greatly that they show uncensored corpses on the front page of their papers!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 08:07:17 PM
Looks like someone died.  Can't tell if they fished him out of the water or what:

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/
It still disturbs me greatly that they show uncensored corpses on the front page of their papers!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I do agree Wreck.What type of society puts someones deceased family member in the paper for all to see?It is very SICK & TWISTED....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on June 03, 2009, 08:08:36 PM
Hi Monkeys....I see in my area that there is a re-run on E! of The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway...starting now at 8 pm EST

Thanks Mere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 08:17:54 PM
I was wonderin how much longer you Mods were gonna leave KTF all alone San!!My mind was at work.... ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi KTF.  I see you have mastered the art of centering  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure trying.. ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 03, 2009, 08:20:18 PM
Looks like someone died.  Can't tell if they fished him out of the water or what:

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57559.php

Google Translation:

Aruba

Progressively in marina

3 Jun, 2009, 16:47 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Two American tourists were early this morning a sinister discovery. They were around a quarter to seven the morning off to go fishing when the water in front of Crystal Casino saw a body floating. The body was with the face down and gave no sign of life.

The shocked holidaymakers called the police that the lifeless body later on the quay knew it. It turned out to Egbert Ludwig Paula (47), a well-known to the police hobo. Around half past seven, the duty doctor formally adopt the death. About the cause of death, the police have no communications. "The body was taken for autopsy," the spokesman reported.

Speculations that the choller not died natural death. Injuries to the face would arouse suspicion that there is malice in the game. An unfortunate fall is also not excluded. "We must await the outcome of the inquest, said police.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 08:26:36 PM
Looks like someone died.  Can't tell if they fished him out of the water or what:

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57559.php

Google Translation:

Aruba

Progressively in marina

3 Jun, 2009, 16:47 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Two American tourists were early this morning a sinister discovery. They were around a quarter to seven the morning off to go fishing when the water in front of Crystal Casino saw a body floating. The body was with the face down and gave no sign of life.

The shocked holidaymakers called the police that the lifeless body later on the quay knew it. It turned out to Egbert Ludwig Paula (47), a well-known to the police hobo. Around half past seven, the duty doctor formally adopt the death. About the cause of death, the police have no communications. "The body was taken for autopsy," the spokesman reported.

Speculations that the choller not died natural death. Injuries to the face would arouse suspicion that there is malice in the game. An unfortunate fall is also not excluded. "We must await the outcome of the inquest, said police.



An unfortunate fall?? ::MonkeyLaugh:: Where.Into the water... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 03, 2009, 08:29:08 PM
Just want to clarify.I wasn't making light of the poor mans death.I think the ALE are a bunch of dumbazzezzz if they think he died by a fall and then found his way to the water or died from falling into the water!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on June 03, 2009, 10:07:16 PM
AZSunny

I know you are going through a difficult period as the anniversary of the passing of your precious John is approaching.

My heart breaks for you.

I do not know how I would cope.  I may appear to strong in my words but ... in reality my hubby is my rock ... my rock who gives me confidence.  My stength to endure without him  would have to be God-given because I know I could never do it on my own.

Hugs

Janet

Thanks Janet for understanding. 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 03, 2009, 10:59:23 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57489.php

Google translation:

Hard to hard in the States letter Bijleveld

2 Jun, 2009, 16:33 (GMT -04:00)


amigoe translation:

Quote
The gloves were off in the States regarding Bijlevelds letter
2 Jun, 2009, 11:13 (GMT -04:00)

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Premier Nelson Oduber together with the Ministers Wever, Croes, and Swaen during the emergency debate in the States yesterday.
ORANJESTAD The tensions were mounting high during the emergency debate which was held yesterday regarding the forthcoming investigation of State secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA). The barrages of abuse and harassments once again demonstrated that with the upcoming elections there is no love lost between the government and the opposition.

By our reporter Arin Rasmijn

The Dutch! Theyre rats. They bite you and then run away. Minister of Public Health, Aliens Affairs and Environment, Candelario Booshi Wever (MEP) is not sparing with his words on State secretary Bijlevelds plan to investigate the government functioning on Aruba. You will see, that within short she will be in touch to say that she hadnt meant it that way, says the minister. His own letter to the Lower Chamber also comes up for discussion, but the minister cannot resist using the words ladron (thief) and horta (stealing) when he mentions the actions of the AVP-government. Apparently, it was previously decided upon that these words would not be used, and States Chairwoman Mervin Wyatt-Ras (MEP) therefore reprimands the minister and introduces a short break. During this break, fraction leader Ady Thijsen (MEP) came up with a list of synonyms for the word ladron, causing great hilarity. Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) suggested a few additions, amongst which dede largo (sticky fingers).

Cheerleaders
The government fraction of MEP had requested the emergency debate to introduce two motions. One, to let the government investigate if the observations of Bijleveld in her letter to the Lower Chamber are based on the truth, and one vote of no-confidence against the State secretary, as she did not exercise neutrality in her treatment of the Aruban case.
At the beginning of the day, the AVP-fractions considered the request for a debate just as absurd as the motions. Fraction member Benny Sevinger announced that no matter what, an investigation will be carried out, either by the Netherlands, or after September 25th, by his own party. Andy Lee blames the forthcoming investigation on the failure of the parliament. The majority of the fractions are just like a group of cheerleaders uncritical with regard to the cabinet and allowing everything.

Pedophile
For his speeches, Minister-president Oduber retrieved old reports of Koerten and De Ruiter, for the familiar lashing towards AVP, and says that the Dutch are the inventors of corruption, and piracy. Furthermore, the Premier openly wonders if IRT-committee leader Jan van Traa actually died of a car accident.

Later on in the evening, minister Wever loses his composure when RED-fraction leader points out to him, that he constantly has to approach an advisor in Santa Cruz if he wants to keep abreast of his own directorates. At least I dont do it with children, Wever snarled a reproach, and called Lampe a traitor, pedophile, and pig during the remainder of his speech. States Chairwoman Ras barely reprimands Wever. For the umpteenth time she introduces a short break, walks over to Wevers table, and  coquettishly slaps him on the arm, saying You shouldnt needle him so!
The motion introduced by Lampe to welcome the investigation, is unanimously rejected by the MEP-fraction.

Donkeys and horses
The entire AVP-fraction left the hall, already during the first round of the debate. Andy Lee was the only one present during most of the second round. Premier Oduber spoke highly of Lee to minister Swaen. I admire that boy. Ady Thijsen agrees with him by uttering the old Aruban saying: the donkeys work hard so the horses can eat. It is not until the evening, when the voting begins that the green fraction returns with in her track a dozen supporters who demonstratively seat themselves in the gallery.
MEP-fraction member Dino Croes, shouts Cheerleaders! Just before the voting, Benny Sevinger gives a last strike below the belt, this time to MEP-fraction leader Ady Thijsen. Nice to see that the one now calling us a traitor sat in our car just a few months ago and talked about the collapsing of the government. Thijsen is clearly irritated: Idiot! You see me sitting here, dont you? Afterwards the voting final took place. The majority in the parliament accepts the motions of the government fractions. All fall silent, rise for the national anthem, start to leave for home, but not without first calling out to each other.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57513.php

 ::cartwheel::

Thanks caesu!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2009, 01:17:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 04, 2009, 01:49:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


  ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 04, 2009, 02:25:57 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


  ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 04, 2009, 09:05:19 AM
Looks like someone died.  Can't tell if they fished him out of the water or what:

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/
It still disturbs me greatly that they show uncensored corpses on the front page of their papers!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I do agree Wreck.What type of society puts someones deceased family member in the paper for all to see?It is very SICK & TWISTED....

Yep! Not to mention 9 more photos at all angles on the story page  ::MonkeyNoNo:: How many times over the years have we seen this....
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9420/8/#jc_allComments  I have lost count  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 04, 2009, 09:19:19 AM
There is certainly something depraved about a society that publicizes such imagery.

Should tell a person a lot about the mindset on that rock.

If they don't even respect their deceased citizens - then how could they possibly respect anyone in life?

Or life and death itself, for that matter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 04, 2009, 09:23:21 AM
There is certainly something depraved about a society that publicizes such imagery.

Should tell a person a lot about the mindset on that rock.

If they don't even respect their deceased citizens - then how could they possibly respect anyone in life?

Or life and death itself, for that matter.
I agree!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 04, 2009, 11:39:43 AM
Aruba is a place where children can't even read the newspapers.  Half of them are nothing more than ads for massage parlors and escort services and the other half print gory photos of corpses.

No wonder they produce such callous sociopaths with this mindset.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2009, 11:44:53 AM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/4083045/__Natalee__the_musical_op_de_Parade__.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/NataleeMusicalNL.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 04, 2009, 01:35:49 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/4083045/__Natalee__the_musical_op_de_Parade__.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/NataleeMusicalNL.jpg)

I can hear it now as they show Joran and Kalpoes meeting around the pool with Paulus
They break into the song:

Yo-ho Yo-ho a pirates life for me.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2009, 02:20:05 PM
Posted by Pearl at BFN:

Quote
Apparently some watch the boards.  See in this article they quote from SM site:

Pagina 16 Diahuebs 4 Juni, 2009
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=30&Itemid=2

payaso? Ta esaki
ta loke a resta di e MEP di
BETICO, cu a sa di organiza
un REFERENDUM pa Aruba
su Independencia? Cu a sa di
lucha y drama sanger pa Aruba
su INDEPENDENCIA? Y no
manera e MEP cu a resta despues
di Betico kier gaa cu ta pa
autonomia di e status aparte
impone na aanan 90 pa Hirsh
Ballin e Pueblo a vota? Aruba
breaks ties with Netherlands.
The Aruban Justice Minister
Rudy Croes breaks all ties
with The Netherlands and
in the future d oesnt want
to cooperate any longer. To
begin with the country will not
participate in the coming triparty-
counsel between justice
ministers of The Netherlands,
The Netherlands Antilles
and Aruba. http://www.
sca r edmon keys .com/ f u nimages/
ArubaBreaksCroes.
jpg http://scaredmonkeys.
com/2007/06/02/rudy-croesa
r u ba - b r e a k s - t i e s -wi t h -
netherlands/ Aruba does not
want Independence; We cannot
handle that (Imaginabo e
calidad y categoria di politico
cu nos Pais a resta cu ne,
despues di Betico! ! Ta kiko
Abo y BO partido MEP a haci
anto, desde cu bo a sinta como
Parlamentario y como Prome
Ministro durante MAS di 20
anja? Ganja ariba Pueblo?
Ganja ariba Betico? Ganja cu
Libertador di Aruba Betico
Croes y e Pueblo Arubano ta
cobardenan cu tin miedo di
independencia y cu ta NAN
a doblega bou di presion di
Hulanda y Hirsh Ballin? ) I
guess the question that would
come to mind after Aruban
Prime Minister made the
following comment, Aruba
does not want independence;
we cannot handle that. Aruba
wants financial independence
and no supervision from the
Netherlands, is what else
cant Aruba handle? What
else should they be allowing
others to handle, yet they
refuse to let more experienced
and qualified individuals to
help? Why does it always in
Aruba seem to be about the
money? Amigoe; June 17,
2007: The Netherlands forces
Aruba to matters she doesnt
want to ORANJESTAD -
There is no war between the
two countries of the Kingdom,
but it can be better, says the
Aruban Prime Minister Nelson
Oduber (MEP). He says that
the Netherlands seizes the
drastic political changes for the
Antillean islands to force Aruba
to matters she doesnt want
to. According to him, there
is a chance that achievements
are reversed, because also St,
Maarten and Curacao wont
get these with the new political
structure and the Netherlands is
striving to be univocal. Aruba
does not want independence;
we cannot handle that. Aruba
wants financial independence
and no supervision from the
Netherlands . Aruba wants to
work together with the other
islands in certain fields, like
justice, criminality, and safety.
Last week during his visit to The
Hague , Oduber wanted to talk
to the Dutch Prime Minister
Jan Peter Balkenende in order
to come to a good relationship.
But that was not possible and
the Aruban premier was also
not admitted to the Federal
Council of Ministers.

Remitido Esta tristo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2009, 02:35:31 PM
This is the article it's from; I'll try to figure out more about it later.

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=30&Itemid=2



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2009, 04:33:12 PM
In the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  Finally available on the court website from May 11, 2009:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeStipOrder051109a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeStipOrder051109b.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeStipOrder051109c.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeStipOrder051109d.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2009, 06:58:41 PM


Thanks Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 04, 2009, 06:58:52 PM
Thanks Klaas

Not sure it was worth the wait.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2009, 10:24:18 PM
OT, but sadly the body of little Nevaeh Buchanan has been found:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5211.msg830852#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2009, 11:34:07 PM
O/T

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20283427,00.html

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/news/090615/david-carradine-3-240.jpg)

David Carradine Death Mystery Deepens

By Mike Fleeman and Johnny Dodd

UpdatePosted Thursday June 04, 2009 08:45 PM EDT
Originally posted Thursday June 04, 2009 06:10 PM EDT
David Carradine
 
Photo by: Bennett Raglin / WireImage 

After a maid found David Carradine's body in a closet in his Bangkok hotel room, police called it a suspected suicide. But the actor's manager refuses to believe it.

"I can tell you 100 percent that he would have never committed suicide," Tiffany Smith, who along with Chuck Binder managed the Kill Bill star, tells PEOPLE. "He was too full of life."

Carradine, 72, was in Thailand filming the movie Stretch when his nude body was discovered Thursday morning. The body was in a sitting position, with a yellow rope wrapped around the neck and attached to a closet bar, said police Col. Somprasong Yentuam, chief of the Lumpini area station. "We believe that Mr. David committed suicide but it is suspicious," said Yentuam.

Although Carradine had spoken openly of his past battles with drugs and alcohol and thoughts of suicide, his manager says the actor had been in good spirits, eager to work on the current film and three more lined up when he returned to the United States.

"We are not saying it's an accidental death because we don't know," says Smith. "Right now we are just letting everyone know that it's under investigation and we'll see ... I just know he didn't do this to himself."

The actor's family was stunned by the news. In a statement, Carradine's niece, actress Martha Plimpton, expressed the family's sense of loss. "My Uncle David was a brilliantly talented, fiercely intelligent and generous man," Plimpton said.

"He was the nexus of our family in so many ways, and drew us together over the years and kept us connected. I adored him as a child, and as an adult I admired and respected him. We will all miss him terribly."



Additional reporting by KAREN EMMONS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 04, 2009, 11:43:17 PM
Texasmom,

I've had the same thoughts all day about his death.  It just doesn't make sense.

(Been having trouble posting today on occasion.  Not sure why.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2009, 11:51:52 PM
Texasmom,

I've had the same thoughts all day about his death.  It just doesn't make sense.

(Been having trouble posting today on occasion.  Not sure why.

No, it doesn't make sense at all!  Hope they find out what really happened!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm having forum issues period.  Very frustrating!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Glad you mentioned it, so I know it's not just me!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 12:08:59 AM
I've been having problems posting also...I upgraded to Internet Explorer 8 and have had trouble on several sites...I figured out that if I go to tools and click on compatibilty view for the SM forum I don't have any problems... ::MonkeyCool::

About David Carrindine's death...IMO there is definitely something Hinkey going on....Again JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 05, 2009, 12:32:37 AM
"Grasshopper" will be missed!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 01:28:17 AM
"Grasshopper" will be missed!

Grasshopper has many lives Wreck! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 01:36:01 AM
1 down 3 to go for BILLB..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 01:43:52 AM
hmmmm...

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06042009Bondia_a24.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 01:45:52 AM
hmmmm...

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06042009Bondia_a24.jpg)

This must be the precursor course before they graduate to Scared Monkey Troll..... ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 01:53:49 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GODBLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 02:22:00 AM
hmmmm...

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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This must be the precursor course before they graduate to Scared Monkey Troll..... ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 02:31:55 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 02:44:06 AM
 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 05, 2009, 05:32:47 AM
"Grasshopper" will be missed!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5322.msg830584#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2009, 08:59:19 AM
NEW SM FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/

It Appears that Aruba Reads Scared Monkeys for More than Just Information on Natalee Holloway Rudy Croes as Well


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 05, 2009, 05:21:09 PM
"Grasshopper" will be missed!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5322.msg830584#new
... turns out "Grasshopper" did himself in "spanking the monkey"!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 05:29:02 PM
"Grasshopper" will be missed!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5322.msg830584#new
... turns out "Grasshopper" did himself in "spanking the monkey"!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Seems that way doesn't it?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 05:33:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57646.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Kong fui accuses warda Nos Costa corruption

5 Jun, 2009, 15:32 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-kong-fui-_ar_-05-0.gif)
 
Builders, safety shoes and helmets on, on a stand at the rear of the fui Kong shopping in Palm Beach.

ORANGE CITY - "This happens in other countries in the neighborhood, but not here." Errol Henriquez, director of supermarket chain fui Kong, plans to make a declaration against agents warda Nos Costa. This would have offered in return for cash and food not to ask for work permits of the builders of the shopping center still under construction in Palm Beach.

"They came a few times shortly after the other, supposedly for a license check. They were always in order. At the time she approached my brother-in-law, who oversees the work with the literal question of what they could get. Of course we are not in. The next time they came so along with Department of Labor and Dimas. "The director admits that some of them still work after the welding and that there was no permit. "Look, this authorization, we can get it, we just stop for five hours. We are also strict. But the workers until after seven hours because they want to eat. And you'll always have people who after working on his own initiative to do something extra to help. "Henriquez denies that the fourteen workers were also found sleeping in the building and an adjacent house. "Absolutely not. They live and sleep in Meiveld 47, three houses away from our headquarters. That house we have specially refurbished for them. All rooms have air conditioning. Besides, not all workers are there, two of them live in an apartment behind my house. "The house next to the mall, the family bought with the idea to demolish or to the brother-in-law is housing. "We are not yet over and therefore it is not refurbished. But it is certainly not that the builders there to sleep. They wanted to do otherwise, but we have stopped. "

Good name
That the workers have safety shoes but wore when they scuff Labor Department, Dimas and WARDA Nos Costa were found Henriquez understand it. "It was after working hours. When they finished their work they should for my part in bare feet on, but during working hours they have shoes and helmets on. "Also, food was found that far on the expiry date would be. "I think I have also behind the house that time, but if we disagree in our supermarket food shortly before the expiry date with discount offer, like other stores do, then we would certainly not meet the give builders. Look, this is an investment of twenty million. I ga that and the good name of our company does not scramble with such practices, "said Henriquez. "We have already spoken Department of Labor. What also might be that not all is in order, we immediately right. "Henriquez points finally to the cultural difference between China and Aruba. "These people live better and earn much more than you think. Only that does not meet them to see. They save their money in rather than that they issue. "

Roy Lacl of WARDA Nos Costa late in response to the accusation of corruption by Errol Henriquez know to take contact with the Director of Kong fui. "We often get this kind of allegations should be heard, but at the moment of truth is never something to the front. If someone with his name and shaming may follow as sure an investigation and as debt is proved then followed hard sanctions, "said Lacl.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 05:36:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57643.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Williams in conversation with PG

5 Jun, 2009, 15:30 (GMT -04:00)




ORANGE CITY - Following the letter of complaint about Michael Williams Prosecutor Kasper van der Schaft is Attorney-General Rob Pietersz the letter writer invited for a personal interview. This conversation took place this morning. At the time of the conclusion of this paper was the call was still ongoing and the public prosecutor (OM) will not respond.

Williams had in his letter strong allegations towards both officer Van der Schaft and the OM. He said the officer in a drug user and for the accused of manipulation. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 05:40:45 PM
I'm bringing these posts over from the Murder & Crime thread that include Michael Williams complaint against the Prosecutor mentioned above and others.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57557.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Williams: 'Public Justice on drugs'

3 Jun, 2009, 16:48 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Michael Williams last Monday filed a complaint against Prosecutor Kasper van der Schaft. "I do not accept the manipulation of a drug officer," he writes in his complaint letter to the College of Procurators-General.

Williams gets hard to the Public Prosecutor of Aruba and wonders whether the Attorney-General (PG) 'find it strange that the people at the Aruba Public Prosecutor sees as a major criminal political organization. " The PG was this morning still has not respond to the complaint, but made with this' to explore. Officer Van der Schaft was not available for comment. A spokesman was able to tell that he is aware of the complaint.
The complaint letter except to the College also sent to the Kingdom Parliament and the Minister of Kingdom Affairs Ank Bijleveld. Moreover, there is no Kingdom Parliament and Bijleveld (CDA) State Secretary of Kingdom Relations.

According to Williams, father of Nigel and Alfred Williams, he is since he left government MEP 'always in trouble with them. " His sons are also the victim says Father Williams. The pair was recently convicted for their part in crimes of the so-called gang of Dakota. "By heavily manipulated research by Van der Schaft Alfred is entirely innocent fixed," says Williams in the letter. "Whether or not mandated from above."

Manipulation
The investigation of his sons, according to Williams' from the first day manipulated. Writes that he never acted against false statements of a police officer. Furthermore, a key defense witness called by the officer, the morning before he was to testify. Then his statement was "suddenly, unlike the police." Williams writes that witnesses by the police are put under pressure, which the officer "more or less admitted during the trial. Finally, he complains about the fact that only part of the tapgesprekken which it is being handed over in minutes processed. "Essential parts missing."

Hetze
Williams has a collision with Minister for Health, Environment and Administrative Immigration Candelario 'Booshi "Wever in 2003 the idea that the government is" haunted. " The argument escalated and reached a climax when they meet on September 11, 2003 found at the airport. Weaver gave Williams a hard blow when unexpectedly. The minister was later convicted for that offense to a fine of 500 florin.

Williams began late last year a lawsuit against the country which he called "unlawful act" of the government aims to show. Moreover, he demands compensation for the fact that his sons could not study. Also he wants pain for the events of recent years. Last month was Justice Minister Rudy Croes testify in court in connection with this case. They strongly denied that the conduct of Williams father would have an impact on the arrest of his sons.


6/3/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

the.o. acusando the fiscal of usador of drugs y is rete for haci one drugtest michael williams owing to complain fiscal mr. k. van der schaft

awemainta owing to achieve copia of one denuncia cu the ciudadano michael williams owing to entrega at procurador general of aruba, contra of fiscal mr. k. van der schaft. michael williams is father of nigel y alfred williams, kendenan recientemente owing to stay condena in corte of first instancia at respectivamente 15 y 8 month of jail, of cual 5 month is incondicional, y they owing to achieve one period of proof of 2 y 3.5 year. segn michael williams, just his child, alfred is inocente, but today is sit castigo for one investigacion manipula by of the fiscal here.

for of time cu past owing to bandona faction mep, is because the not can acepta the corupcion by of the faction here of gobierno, owing to trece very problem for his person, segn michael williams. actualmente self, the have one caso andando contra country aruba y recientemente owing to hear minister of husticia. his yiunan at month of march 2006, owing to being deteni once end, without none motibo y they owing to stay close for 10 day, because the is they father, segn michael williams in his denuncia. here also fiscal mr. k. van der schaft is envolvi.

the investigacion bao of guia of fiscal van der schaft for of first day owing to wordo manipula, as on orden of esnan more high.

for menciona some ehempel, michael williams is tell, cu one agent policial during the investigacion here owing to falsifica one declaracion. till cu day of today ministerio publico not owing to actua contra of the delito here.

one witness very important for defence, the morning ey, owing to being convoca for fiscal first of bay testigua y owing to talk cune. consecuencia of this is, cu his declaracion de soon is completamente another of thing past owing to declara at police.

testigonan is tell cu they owing to being poni bao of very presion policial. fiscal owing to acepta this also more or less during tratamento of the caso hudicial. segn michael williams, past owing to entrega at fiscal several combersacionnan graba (tap), but one part minimal the fiscal owing to listen y owing to work his procesverbal. the partinan esencial owing to stay afo.

michael williams is follow tell cu the know cu his child christopher is inocente y during the caso in corte of apelacion this will stay demostra also. the denunciante is follow tell, cu the do not acepta this of one fiscal cu is usador of drugs. pesey the is invite for haci one drug-test of immediate. tumando all the consideracionnan here, michael williams is ask about pg, if the do not believe cu this is motibo cu people aruban will is considera ministerio publico because; one organisacion politico criminal big y cu is pesey minsiterio publico do not goza of none clase of confianza more.

another denuncia
in another denuncia, haci yesterday at keep of recherche at shaba, nigel walter williams together cu father michael williams is denuncia the next personanan, marvin j. hous, eduard the. bregita, r.l.m solognier the ultimo here one ex agent policial, live actualmente at the netherlands. tasina cu nigel williams owing to stay condena in corte of first instancia of did take part of one organisacion criminal y cause violencia publico. this owing to base of declaracion of testigonan. the testigonan here, owing to hacie together or separadamente, siendo the first dosnan menciona, was present at thing cu owing to sosode day 6 of july 2008 at eagle beach.

but in corte they owing to comete perhurio, hour cu they owing to come is deny of was present at eagle bach the night of 6 of july 2008. but the seoresnan here not owing to stay persigui penalmente.

pesey the denunciantenan, father y child is of opinion cu here is deal of husticia of clase.

for thing is solognier, during investigacion haci, owing to haci his self culpabel at falsificacion of documento y contra the ex agent policial here also, not owing to persiguie penalmente. pesey now father y child williams owing to dicidi of entrega one denuncia oficial at recherche, pendiente cu now will can cuminsa cu one persecucion penal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 05:49:24 PM
hmmmm....makes you wonder if the same would apply to others who have filed bankruptcy in the U.S. but are doing business in Aruba.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57645.php

Aruba

Bankruptcy does not affect GM Stern

5 Jun, 2009, 15:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The bankruptcy of the American automotive group General Motors (GM), known for brands such as Chevrolet, Daewoo and Hummer does not affect the operation of Stern GM in Tanki Leendert. All warranties and obligations to customers will simply be respected, "said the parent company in a statement.

The autogigant had last Monday the postponement of payment applications and is actually bankrupt. GM had 172 billion dollars of liabilities and 82 billion dollars of assets in his bankruptcy record. With the start of the Chapter 11 (bankruptcy) process for the business to try a few months to go. For this group, however, needed a capital injection of fifty billion dollars.

The company stresses that the process does not affect other GM companies around the world. "Only the U.S. operations are part of the bankruptcy process." The car says that the activities in Central America and the Caribbean will continue to operate normally. This is more applicable to the Chevrolet Spark and Aveo, which are made in Korea and the Avalanche from Mexico.

The American factories, for both the U.S. market and for export Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet and GMC vehicles produce. Since none of the activities of the company outside the United States involved in the bankruptcy, it is not necessary to do action or new procedures, according to GM. The company stressed again that the group in this region all guarantees and all other customer obligations without interruption will honor. "There is no practical change in relation to warranties and service to dealers."

 

Autogigant
General Motors has long been the largest car manufacturers in the world side. The company was founded in 1908 in Detroit, USA. With more than 240,000 employees worldwide and a turnover of around 180 billion dollars in 2008 was one of the largest companies in the world. Last year sold the car more than 8 million cars worldwide. Brands under the group include Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall and Wuling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 06:12:51 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57644.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Paula Egbert not kill

5 Jun, 2009, 15:30 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Paula Egbert who was found dead Wednesday morning in the waters of the harbor of Oranjestad, is not by killing the dead. This is the conclusion of the autopsy on the victim was executed. Injuries to the body of Paula seemed to indicate that the victim before his death was mistreated. The autopsy yielded no evidence for this. Probably Paula in the river and drowned. The authorities have the body released.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 06:17:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57641.php

Google translation:

Aruba

"Natalee, the musical '

5 Jun, 2009, 15:26 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - The story of the 2005 missing American teenager, Natalee Holloway, by three in a theater presentation "Natalee, the musical 'run. The presentation will be shown in the traveling cultural festival De Parade in Utrecht and Rotterdam.

These companies reported PIPS: lab, Codarts Zeebelt and Thursday in De Telegraaf. The increase, the extensive media attention surrounding the disappearance of Natalee to the jaw. "The play shows the story of these characters and how the company handles it," said a spokesperson for the theater.

After the extensive media attention that followed the disappearance of the teenager, followed the one publication after another. In 2006 appeared the book The Natalee Holloway case: my own story about her disappearance in Aruba of prime suspect Joran van der Sloot. He calls himself in the book a "pathological liar" and said a psychiatrist at a young age need to have had. Earlier father Dave Holloway published a book in which he "corruption in paradise" to denounce it. Also mother Beth Holloway-Twitty wrote a book about the disappearance of her daughter, Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith. This book was filmed and appeared in April on the American television channel Lifetime. In June 2008 the book appeared Overboard. How I Joran van der Sloot was talking to Patrick van der Eem. He became known after he broadcast crime reporter Peter R. de Vries and Joran went undercover at the talk was about the disappearance of Natalee. At the end of last year appeared on the documentary Tele Aruba Natalee. The Unrevealed Time Lines of Curaao filmmaker Renee Gielen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 05, 2009, 06:24:19 PM
NEW SM FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/

It Appears that Aruba Reads Scared Monkeys for More than Just Information on Natalee Holloway Rudy Croes as Well


 ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 07:44:53 PM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 07:46:27 PM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 07:47:41 PM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 07:49:10 PM
Wreck,San,TM look at KTF Go......... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 05, 2009, 07:56:07 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2009, 10:04:41 PM
Beth and Dave know that Red has always done his best to keep Natalee's case in the forefront.  Steve Holloway (Dave's brother) is a regular poster on the front page of SM.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 05, 2009, 10:12:57 PM
NEW SM FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/

It Appears that Aruba Reads Scared Monkeys for More than Just Information on Natalee Holloway Rudy Croes as Well


 ::MonkeyWink::

Need to catch up some, will read this before I call it a night.

Good evening Monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on June 05, 2009, 10:24:05 PM
NEW SM FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/

It Appears that Aruba Reads Scared Monkeys for More than Just Information on Natalee Holloway Rudy Croes as Well


 ::MonkeyWink::

Need to catch up some, will read this before I call it a night.

Good evening Monkeys.

Hello Blue Moon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 10:26:34 PM
Wreck,San,TM look at KTF Go......... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

You're da man KTF!  I'm proud of you!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

GO KTF GO!!!!    ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 10:32:03 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 10:33:13 PM
Hi BlueMoon TM and 2 Guests  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 10:36:00 PM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments

Thanks for bringing this over KTF!  Very cool!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you RED for this forum!  Thank you DUGGA, KLAAS, and ALL of the SUPER MODS for all you do!  SCARED MONKEYS ROCKS! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 05, 2009, 10:37:35 PM
Hi BlueMoon TM and 2 Guests  ::cartwheel::

Hi hotping  :smt006  I've been buzzing in and out of here and around the forum.
KTF- Your dancing monkeys are quite impressive.  Not sure I would attempt that feat myself.
It's always wonderful to see TM post a picture of Natalee before leaving for the day.  We always have a light on in the window for Natalee.  God bless Natalee and her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 10:39:46 PM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 05, 2009, 10:42:15 PM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments

Thanks for bringing this over KTF!  Very cool!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you RED for this forum!  Thank you DUGGA, KLAAS, and ALL of the SUPER MODS for all you do!  SCARED MONKEYS ROCKS! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

The article was great.  The comments prove NO ONE is going away anytime soon.  After 4 long years could Aruba maybe getting the message that we are in it for the long haul?  Great to see Steve Holloway is still keeping up with the Monkeys.  Thanks Red, Klaas and all mod's for what you provide for the missing who do not have a voice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 10:45:21 PM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
Scared Monkeys Are the Best!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 10:47:03 PM
Hi BlueMoon TM and 2 Guests  ::cartwheel::

Hi hotping  :smt006  I've been buzzing in and out of here and around the forum.
KTF- Your dancing monkeys are quite impressive.  Not sure I would attempt that feat myself.
It's always wonderful to see TM post a picture of Natalee before leaving for the day.  We always have a light on in the window for Natalee.  God bless Natalee and her family.
Hi Muffy!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 10:48:49 PM
Hi BlueMoon TM and 2 Guests  ::cartwheel::

Hi hotping  :smt006  I've been buzzing in and out of here and around the forum.
KTF- Your dancing monkeys are quite impressive.  Not sure I would attempt that feat myself.
It's always wonderful to see TM post a picture of Natalee before leaving for the day.  We always have a light on in the window for Natalee.  God bless Natalee and her family.

Hi and Thank you MuffyBee! I love posting the reminder of why we are all still here!  I want everyone that stops by to know why we're here, and I think it helps give us all renewed strength to keep trying to find answers for Natalee and her family when we see her beautiful face.  Aruba has disrespected her and her family, and we're not going to give up until they have the TRUTH and JUSTICE for NATALEE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 10:49:19 PM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyDance:: Me Too TM!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 10:50:12 PM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments

Thanks for bringing this over KTF!  Very cool!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you RED for this forum!  Thank you DUGGA, KLAAS, and ALL of the SUPER MODS for all you do!  SCARED MONKEYS ROCKS! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

The article was great.  The comments prove NO ONE is going away anytime soon.  After 4 long years could Aruba maybe getting the message that we are in it for the long haul?  Great to see Steve Holloway is still keeping up with the Monkeys.  Thanks Red, Klaas and all mod's for what you provide for the missing who do not have a voice.

I agree Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 10:51:32 PM
Hi BlueMoon TM and 2 Guests  ::cartwheel::

Hi hotping  :smt006  I've been buzzing in and out of here and around the forum.
KTF- Your dancing monkeys are quite impressive.  Not sure I would attempt that feat myself.
It's always wonderful to see TM post a picture of Natalee before leaving for the day.  We always have a light on in the window for Natalee.  God bless Natalee and her family.

Hi and Thank you MuffyBee! I love posting the reminder of why we are all still here!  I want everyone that stops by to know why we're here, and I think it helps give us all renewed strength to keep trying to find answers for Natalee and her family when we see her beautiful face.  Aruba has disrespected her and her family, and we're not going to give up until they have the TRUTH and JUSTICE for NATALEE!
Well Said TM! Thank You for those Nightly Natalee Pics!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 10:53:50 PM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments

Thanks for bringing this over KTF!  Very cool!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you RED for this forum!  Thank you DUGGA, KLAAS, and ALL of the SUPER MODS for all you do!  SCARED MONKEYS ROCKS! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

The article was great.  The comments prove NO ONE is going away anytime soon.  After 4 long years could Aruba maybe getting the message that we are in it for the long haul?  Great to see Steve Holloway is still keeping up with the Monkeys.  Thanks Red, Klaas and all mod's for what you provide for the missing who do not have a voice.

I agree Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

I find myself agreeing with you Monkey's more and more each day..Who woulda thunk it! ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 10:55:16 PM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
Scared Monkeys Are the Best!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments

Thanks for bringing this over KTF!  Very cool!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you RED for this forum!  Thank you DUGGA, KLAAS, and ALL of the SUPER MODS for all you do!  SCARED MONKEYS ROCKS! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

The article was great.  The comments prove NO ONE is going away anytime soon.  After 4 long years could Aruba maybe getting the message that we are in it for the long haul?  Great to see Steve Holloway is still keeping up with the Monkeys.  Thanks Red, Klaas and all mod's for what you provide for the missing who do not have a voice.

I agree Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

I find myself agreeing with you Monkey's more and more each day..Who woulda thunk it! ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 10:58:08 PM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
Scared Monkeys Are the Best!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Looks like you shined dem boots up for your dance tonight TM... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
Hi BlueMoon TM and 2 Guests  ::cartwheel::

Hi hotping  :smt006  I've been buzzing in and out of here and around the forum.
KTF- Your dancing monkeys are quite impressive.  Not sure I would attempt that feat myself.
It's always wonderful to see TM post a picture of Natalee before leaving for the day.  We always have a light on in the window for Natalee.  God bless Natalee and her family.

Hi and Thank you MuffyBee! I love posting the reminder of why we are all still here!  I want everyone that stops by to know why we're here, and I think it helps give us all renewed strength to keep trying to find answers for Natalee and her family when we see her beautiful face.  Aruba has disrespected her and her family, and we're not going to give up until they have the TRUTH and JUSTICE for NATALEE!
Well Said TM! Thank You for those Nightly Natalee Pics!

You're welcome Hotping!  Hope they make you wanna dig that much harder! 

Keep up the good work!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 11:00:08 PM
Hey San..I think some stray Monkeys gotta ahold of my account and made some crazy posts that were actually centered..Have you seen them crazy Monkeys anywhere...
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 11:02:31 PM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
Scared Monkeys Are the Best!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Looks like you shined dem boots up for your dance tonight TM... ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hey, it's Friday night!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 05, 2009, 11:07:13 PM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
Scared Monkeys Are the Best!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Looks like you shined dem boots up for your dance tonight TM... ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hey, it's Friday night!

Nice to see you all.Will be off for a couple hours to watch Benjamin Button..Have heard it is a great show!Will see ya'll in a bit!Be good.Ahhh Hell..As Tm said "It's Friday Night".Justice will be served for Natalee Holloway..I gotta pair of turqoise boots that tell me so! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 11:15:15 PM



I'm off to do some catching up with the newspapers! 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 11:16:20 PM
Hi BlueMoon TM and 2 Guests  ::cartwheel::

Hi hotping  :smt006  I've been buzzing in and out of here and around the forum.
KTF- Your dancing monkeys are quite impressive.  Not sure I would attempt that feat myself.
It's always wonderful to see TM post a picture of Natalee before leaving for the day.  We always have a light on in the window for Natalee.  God bless Natalee and her family.

Hi and Thank you MuffyBee! I love posting the reminder of why we are all still here!  I want everyone that stops by to know why we're here, and I think it helps give us all renewed strength to keep trying to find answers for Natalee and her family when we see her beautiful face.  Aruba has disrespected her and her family, and we're not going to give up until they have the TRUTH and JUSTICE for NATALEE!
Well Said TM! Thank You for those Nightly Natalee Pics!

You're welcome Hotping!  Hope they make you wanna dig that much harder! 

Keep up the good work!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::
Natalee's Image is etched in My Memory and I will always dig...Until there is Justice for Her and Her Family! You can bet on it!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: Again Thank You TM for all the news articles and nightly Pics of Natalee!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 05, 2009, 11:16:20 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 05, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
Calling it a night.  See you all on the flip side. 

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 11:19:10 PM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
Scared Monkeys Are the Best!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hey TM....Can I borrow Them There Blue Boots I'm going to a C n C Dance tomorrow night and I could sure put Them to good Use!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 11:19:58 PM
Calling it a night.  See you all on the flip side. 

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Good Night BlueMoon!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 05, 2009, 11:21:20 PM
I'm off to do some digging...BBL!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 06, 2009, 12:02:47 AM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
Scared Monkeys Are the Best!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hey TM....Can I borrow Them There Blue Boots I'm going to a C n C Dance tomorrow night and I could sure put Them to good Use!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyDance::

Sure Hotping!  They're all yours!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 06, 2009, 12:04:26 AM
Calling it a night.  See you all on the flip side. 

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Good night Blue Moon!  I think I'm going to call it a night too, it's been a long week!

Good night everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 06, 2009, 01:10:52 AM
 ::MonkeyDance::   I love you guys.   Whether I'm able to be here or not, when I return I'm always amazed. 

Justice for Natalee.    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 06, 2009, 01:15:10 AM
Texasmom masterd the "centered AND moving" Monkeys!!! ( I could never make this work!!)(even when I tried the same html tags!)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 06, 2009, 01:28:47 AM
Hey, have I told ya'll lately.....

I'm very PROUD to be a SCARED MONKEY!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
Scared Monkeys Are the Best!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/boots.gif) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hey TM....Can I borrow Them There Blue Boots I'm going to a C n C Dance tomorrow night and I could sure put Them to good Use!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyDance::

Sure Hotping!  They're all yours!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Thanks TM...When I'm done with them I'll shine up right purty for Ya!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 06, 2009, 02:53:25 AM
You got some time before game 2 ehh BillB... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 06, 2009, 02:59:16 AM
FROM THE FRONT PAGE COMMENTS.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

STEVE HOLLOWAY
"Thanks to the staff at scared monkeys. Red you are a great man and again THANKS!!!!! and God bless"

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/05/it-appears-that-aruba-reads-scared-monkeys-for-more-than-just-information-on-natalee-holloway-rudy-croes-as-well/#comments

Thanks for bringing this over KTF!  Very cool!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you RED for this forum!  Thank you DUGGA, KLAAS, and ALL of the SUPER MODS for all you do!  SCARED MONKEYS ROCKS! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

The article was great.  The comments prove NO ONE is going away anytime soon.  After 4 long years could Aruba maybe getting the message that we are in it for the long haul?  Great to see Steve Holloway is still keeping up with the Monkeys.  Thanks Red, Klaas and all mod's for what you provide for the missing who do not have a voice.
Concur with all the accolades for Scared Monkeys!
What brings us together is our faith in good people and that Justice for those wronged will be honored by those in authority. We stand together to expose those that deny Justice, and that is why we are on the Natalee Holloway blog.....
It is evident to me that no one is going away until those responsible for denying Justice for Natalee, her family, and friends do the right thing.....
We know aruba/netherlands won't.....But we will!
Count on That aruba.......
Monkeys ROCK!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 06, 2009, 03:00:48 AM
Ktf....
1 down....3 to go.....
Lakers in 6...you heard it here first.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 06, 2009, 03:03:56 AM
Ktf....
1 down....3 to go.....
Lakers in 6...you heard it here first.... ::MonkeyCool::

My good buddy growing up texted me from row 17 in the Staples center and asked me if i was watching the game...azzzzzhole... ::MonkeyDevil:: I think you are right with your prediction.Kobe is honed in like a Laser.He's been there and isn't just satisfied being there like first timer's!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 06, 2009, 03:12:54 AM
Ktf....
What you and many other good Monkeys have done/are doing with wrt the persistence gang cover up by tracking contracts is awesome......I firmly believe it will go along way bringing Justice for Natalee and family....
It's not only the distractors following Scared Monkeys...law enforcement is too!
Not saying they need our help......but I'm sure they are not shy following up on any leads that may be presented by all the good work done here....
Keep on keeping on!....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 06, 2009, 03:21:52 AM
Ktf....
What you and many other good Monkeys have done/are doing with wrt the persistence gang cover up by tracking contracts is awesome......I firmly believe it will go along way bringing Justice for Natalee and family....
It's not only the distractors following Scared Monkeys...law enforcement is too!
Not saying they need our help......but I'm sure they are not shy following up on any leads that may be presented by all the good work done here....
Keep on keeping on!....

Those are very kind words BillB.I do believe the detractors,traitors,as well as those who've obstructed justice will get a knock at their door when they least expect it.The Glory for me will be, when Natalee Holloway receives justice and Beth & Dave can finally rest there heads knowing their precious daughter gave everyone the strength necessary to Keep on keepin on..............

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 06, 2009, 03:26:49 AM
Ktf....
What you and many other good Monkeys have done/are doing with wrt the persistence gang cover up by tracking contracts is awesome......I firmly believe it will go along way bringing Justice for Natalee and family....
It's not only the distractors following Scared Monkeys...law enforcement is too!
Not saying they need our help......but I'm sure they are not shy following up on any leads that may be presented by all the good work done here....
Keep on keeping on!....

Those are very kind words BillB.I do believe the detractors,traitors,as well as those who've obstructed justice will get a knock at their door when they least expect it.The Glory for me will be, when Natalee Holloway receives justice and Beth & Dave can finally rest there heads knowing their precious daughter gave everyone the strength necessary to Keep on keepin on..............

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 06, 2009, 03:33:08 AM
I continue to put myself,in a position mentally,to remember the inhumane treatment Natalee Holloway recieved at the hands of Paulus & The Perps..Since the beginning i've come to learn that we're not dealing with Human Beings but,PURE EVIL,in regards to Paulus,The Perps,Judges,ALE and ANYONE else who decided to partake in obstructing justice and denying Natalee Holloway her return trip home...You listening Persistence and Crew?????WE WILL NOT GO AWAY TILL THE TRUTH IS REVEALED.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 06, 2009, 03:34:23 AM
Good night billb, Keepthefaith and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 06, 2009, 03:36:50 AM
Good night billb, Keepthefaith and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 06, 2009, 03:40:18 AM
How sickening..This is in regards to the husband that killed his Fiance of 11 days while scuba-diving at the great barrier reef a few years back i believe.Klaas or Mods.Feel free to put in appropriate thread.TIA..Just an FYI!!!Only place i've seen it is People.com?

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20283674,00.html





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 06, 2009, 11:40:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel::
WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU NATALEE! GOD BLESS!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 06, 2009, 07:14:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57709.php

Cruise Tourism thrives on hotels remain empty

6 Jun, 2009, 16:55 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - In its monthly report published yesterday on the month in March 2009 message, the Central Bank of Aruba, the Aruban economy is weakened. In particular, the tourism industry, the heavy. The number of tourists increased further in March. According to the provisional figures of that month the number of tourists dropped by 13.3 percent and increased the number of nights in Aruba by 10.7 percent.

In the first three months of 2009 decreased the number of tourists and the number of nights with respectively 8 and 5.2 percent. In the first three months of 2008 these figures were respectively 20.6 percent and plus plus 17.5 percent. The average occupancy rate of hotels and time shares registered 79.5 percent, a reduction of 5.5 percentage points compared with the previous year. In the first three months of 2009 the occupancy rate fell by 4.7 percentage points to 80.7 percent, compared with the corresponding period of 2008. However, while the verblijfstoerisme hard to endure was hit, showed data from the Cruise Tourism Authority an increase in the number of cruise passengers from 13.3 percent, while the number of ships fell by 4.1 percent. Between January and March 2009 the number of cruise passengers grew by 4 percent, while the number of ships fell by 12.8 percent. In 2008 the number of passengers and ships, respectively, 36.9 and 30 percent. This indicates that larger vessels Aruba ports and a higher utilization rate of the cruise ships.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 06, 2009, 07:27:13 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57703.php

Aruba

Canal 22 almost in the air

6 Jun, 2009, 16:48 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/06-aruba-canal-22-_ar_-06-0.gif)

 
ORANGE CITY - Owner Edmond Croes is pride in the control of its new TV channel. Unlike some other media, including Amigoe have written the sender not the name of Top TV Solo TV, but it remains to Canal 22. "We do that deliberately because we are going to separate from Top FM and Solo Di Pueblo. These media are much more pronounced and on TV would be harder. "Croes said the broad approach to deal with a varied program. "We are in discussion with several local producers." The station is next week the channel number 22 on the cable shared with the Colombian commercial broadcaster RCN. "We start with single shots in the programming of RCN short live broadcasts and news updates. This order also gradually learn to work with the system. "It is planned that at least a news, talk shows and own two lots of sports on the channel will be displayed. This weekend, the first test broadcast.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 06, 2009, 07:39:28 PM
How sickening..This is in regards to the husband that killed his Fiance of 11 days while scuba-diving at the great barrier reef a few years back i believe.Klaas or Mods.Feel free to put in appropriate thread.TIA..Just an FYI!!!Only place i've seen it is People.com?

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20283674,00.html

Hi KTF. We have a thread on it here>
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2942.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 01:40:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!
                                                 
                         


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: always 1 on June 07, 2009, 09:53:23 AM
O/T please see musings about Dolce.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 07, 2009, 02:30:10 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::     ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 03:01:18 PM
::MonkeyDevil::     ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 05:39:23 PM
6/5/2009 Aruba Today Front Page

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06052009ArubaToday_FP-1.jpg)

I underlined this part in red, but in case it's hard to read...this is what it says....

"Prime Minister Oduber brought forth that under no circumstance would his Administration accept an investigation by The Netherlands, seeing as any investigation in the matter of corruption is an internal matter that would be investigate(d) by the District Attorney offices of Aruba."

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyRoll::  Wonder how long that might take?   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 05:43:27 PM
6/5/2009 Aruba Today Front Page

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06052009ArubaToday_FP-1.jpg)

I underlined this part in red, but in case it's hard to read...this is what it says....

"Prime Minister Oduber brought forth that under no circumstance would his Administration accept an investigation by The Netherlands, seeing as any investigation in the matter of corruption is an internal matter that would be investigate(d) by the District Attorney offices of Aruba."

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyRoll::  Wonder how long that might take?   ::MonkeyDevil::




And I should have also added...like we don't ALREADY KNOW what the findings of any such investigation by the Aruba DA's office would be!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 07, 2009, 05:44:15 PM
We hanker for Justice to be done for this Wonderfull girl . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Natalee0025.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 07, 2009, 05:49:17 PM
We hanker for Justice to be done for this Wonderfull girl . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Natalee0025.jpg)

AMEN Bastibro, we are here for the next 36 years standing beside Natalee, Beth, Dave and their families.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
We hanker for Justice to be done for this Wonderfull girl . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Natalee0025.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 05:51:16 PM
We hanker for Justice to be done for this Wonderfull girl . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Natalee0025.jpg)

AMEN Bastibro, we are here for the next 36 years standing beside Natalee, Beth, Dave and their families.

Yes ma'am!  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 07, 2009, 05:53:59 PM
6/5/2009 Aruba Today Front Page

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06052009ArubaToday_FP-1.jpg)

I underlined this part in red, but in case it's hard to read...this is what it says....

"Prime Minister Oduber brought forth that under no circumstance would his Administration accept an investigation by The Netherlands, seeing as any investigation in the matter of corruption is an internal matter that would be investigate(d) by the District Attorney offices of Aruba."

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyRoll::  Wonder how long that might take?   ::MonkeyDevil::




And I should have also added...like we don't ALREADY KNOW what the findings of any such investigation by the Aruba DA's office would be!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::


What an arrogant azzzhole!Hell no,Aruba and the miscreants of Aruba won't allow an investigation from an impartial Law enforcement entity.Aruba knows what those findings would entail!Murders covered-up,Drug Trafficking,Human-Trafficking,Money Laundering and God knows what else....JMOO! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 07, 2009, 05:55:38 PM
We hanker for Justice to be done for this Wonderfull girl . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Natalee0025.jpg)

AMEN Bastibro, we are here for the next 36 years standing beside Natalee, Beth, Dave and their families.

AMEN to that to Blue Moon! I will never loose sight on Natalee`s case.
I`m dedicated, don`t know why but I am ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 06:10:12 PM
6/5/2009 Aruba Today Front Page

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06052009ArubaToday_FP-1.jpg)

I underlined this part in red, but in case it's hard to read...this is what it says....

"Prime Minister Oduber brought forth that under no circumstance would his Administration accept an investigation by The Netherlands, seeing as any investigation in the matter of corruption is an internal matter that would be investigate(d) by the District Attorney offices of Aruba."

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyRoll::  Wonder how long that might take?   ::MonkeyDevil::




And I should have also added...like we don't ALREADY KNOW what the findings of any such investigation by the Aruba DA's office would be!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::


What an arrogant azzzhole!Hell no,Aruba and the miscreants of Aruba won't allow an investigation from an impartial Law enforcement entity.Aruba knows what those findings would entail!Murders covered-up,Drug Trafficking,Human-Trafficking,Money Laundering and God knows what else....JMOO! ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, he's an arrogant azzzhole!  And a big fat LIAR! 

HIS words to Dave Holloway (June 2005).

"NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 07, 2009, 11:36:38 PM
2 down,2 to go BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 07, 2009, 11:45:17 PM
2 down,2 to go BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::

And speaking of Aruba,Paulus & the Perps...4 down 36 to Go!Time is on our side...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 07, 2009, 11:46:48 PM
2 down,2 to go BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::
Ktf..
It was a nail biter!...
What are they thinkin?
Now on to 3  games on Orlando.......
Starting to get like wrestling... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Lakers in 6.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 11:50:15 PM
2 down,2 to go BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::
Ktf..
It was a nail biter!...
What are they thinkin?
Now on to 3  games on Orlando.......
Starting to get like wrestling... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Lakers in 6.....


I just can't imagine you biting your nails billb!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 07, 2009, 11:50:43 PM
36 is a good number...I'll be here for 36...if aruba wants....no tourism from the US....
Hows that asia market going for you aruba? Last time I looked...not a lot of tourists on the beach...asian, european, US...
Yes, IU like 36 years...
We aren't going anywhere aruba.... ::MonkeyCool::
Suck on THAT.......aruba....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 07, 2009, 11:51:10 PM
2 down,2 to go BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::
Ktf..
It was a nail biter!...
What are they thinkin?
Now on to 3  games on Orlando.......
Starting to get like wrestling... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Lakers in 6.....


Like i said before!The officiating overall is terrible.They need to allow the game to flow and let the players decide these games!The better team will win!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 07, 2009, 11:52:51 PM
36 is a good number...I'll be here for 36...if aruba wants....no tourism from the US....
Hows that asia market going for you aruba? Last time I looked...not a lot of tourists on the beach...asian, european, US...
Yes, IU like 36 years...
We aren't going anywhere aruba.... ::MonkeyCool::
Suck on THAT.......aruba....

Trust me when i say,Aruba reads here more then we know..Ehh TM! ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 07, 2009, 11:53:36 PM
2 down,2 to go BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::
Ktf..
It was a nail biter!...
What are they thinkin?
Now on to 3  games on Orlando.......
Starting to get like wrestling... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Lakers in 6.....


I just can't imagine you biting your nails billb!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
TM.....It's funny isn't it....
I'm biting nails over a basketball game...means nothing to me personally......
Tourism? I'd be biting on a lot of things...if I was aruba.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 11:55:07 PM
36 is a good number...I'll be here for 36...if aruba wants....no tourism from the US....
Hows that asia market going for you aruba? Last time I looked...not a lot of tourists on the beach...asian, european, US...
Yes, IU like 36 years...
We aren't going anywhere aruba.... ::MonkeyCool::
Suck on THAT.......aruba....

Trust me when i say,Aruba reads here more then we know..Ehh TM! ::MonkeyCool::



Yes, we seem to be keeping them interested in what goes on here!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 07, 2009, 11:55:50 PM
2 down,2 to go BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::
Ktf..
It was a nail biter!...
What are they thinkin?
Now on to 3  games on Orlando.......
Starting to get like wrestling... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Lakers in 6.....


Like i said before!The officiating overall is terrible.They need to allow the game to flow and let the players decide these games!The better team will win!
Officiating....don't get me started on officiating.....
That's why I compare it to wrestling.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 07, 2009, 11:57:45 PM
2 down,2 to go BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::
Ktf..
It was a nail biter!...
What are they thinkin?
Now on to 3  games on Orlando.......
Starting to get like wrestling... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Lakers in 6.....


I just can't imagine you biting your nails billb!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
TM.....It's funny isn't it....
I'm biting nails over a basketball game...means nothing to me personally......
Tourism? I'd be biting on a lot of things...if I was aruba.... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 07, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
Went over to the Gas & Oil thread for a minute and people were talking about Balls,Perry Balls..I ran back to this thread very quickly! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 07, 2009, 11:59:10 PM
Mod hat on....basketballl should be discussed in the SPORTS thread...

 ::MonkeyCool:: 

Justice for Natalee is key in this thread.   :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 12:00:06 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 08, 2009, 12:00:31 AM
I'm really starting to get a sense that the cards are in motion.....aruba and the perps are going down!
It may take some time...but we have time......Natalee wasn't afforded time by the perps and the cover up aruba govt, nor by the persistence pos!
We have time on our side...The side for Justice for Natalee!.
Slide down aruba...slide down...Hell is at the bottom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 08, 2009, 12:04:39 AM
Mod hat on....basketballl should be discussed in the SPORTS thread...

 ::MonkeyCool:: 

Justice for Natalee is key in this thread.   :smt049
Magic fan?
Sorry 2NJSons_Mom...
I'll try to contain myself.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 08, 2009, 12:06:50 AM
Mod hat on....basketballl should be discussed in the SPORTS thread...

 ::MonkeyCool:: 

Justice for Natalee is key in this thread.   :smt049
Magic fan?
Sorry 2NJSons_Mom...
I'll try to contain myself.....

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I think 2nj is a Stick and Pucks Fan... ::MonkeyDevil:: Maybe a New Jersey Devil fan.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 08, 2009, 12:09:18 AM
Mod hat on....basketballl should be discussed in the SPORTS thread...

 ::MonkeyCool:: 

Justice for Natalee is key in this thread.   :smt049
Magic fan?
Sorry 2NJSons_Mom...
I'll try to contain myself.....

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I think 2nj is a Stick and Pucks Fan... ::MonkeyDevil:: Maybe a New Jersey Devil fan.... ::MonkeyDevil::

WRONG....NYR  & Yanks 

Enough. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 08, 2009, 12:14:39 AM
I guess enough is enough...
Good night good monkeys....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 08, 2009, 12:15:36 AM
I guess enough is enough...
Good night good monkeys....

GoodNight BillB..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 12:16:17 AM
I guess enough is enough...
Good night good monkeys....

Good night billb!  I'm right behind you!

Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 08, 2009, 12:16:45 AM
I guess enough is enough...
Good night good monkeys....

Good night billb!  I'm right behind you!

Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight TM...Me Too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 12:17:11 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 08, 2009, 12:17:33 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 08, 2009, 12:17:58 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 
::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 12:20:41 AM
I guess enough is enough...
Good night good monkeys....

Good night billb!  I'm right behind you!

Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight TM...Me Too!

Good night KTF, before you go to sleep....try saying that PB guys name five times really fast!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 12:21:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 
::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 08, 2009, 12:26:51 AM
I guess enough is enough...
Good night good monkeys....

Good night billb!  I'm right behind you!

Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight TM...Me Too!

Good night KTF, before you go to sleep....try saying that PB guys name five times really fast!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

OK.I tried it!The end result was a hand across the face by the girlfriend.... ::MonkeyDevil:: Just Kidding...To all a goodnight! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 08, 2009, 07:44:22 AM
We hanker for Justice to be done for this Wonderful girl . .

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Natalee0025.jpg)

AMEN Bastibro, we are here for the next 36 years standing beside Natalee, Beth, Dave and their families.

AMEN to that to Blue Moon! I will never loose sight on Natalee`s case.
I`m dedicated, don`t know why but I am ::MonkeyWink::


It becomes a Good versus Evil, Right versus Wrong issue now that Joran has even admitted to causing all of this.  Yet he walks free and received no punishment legally.  At least that is how it is for me.

It will never be OK or right until those responsible are held accountable for their actions.  That would be J2K+Paulus. 

IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 08, 2009, 10:50:40 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 08:12:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57796.php

Google translation:

Customs supervisor accused of corruption

8 Jun, 2009, 16:47 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - There is great dissatisfaction among customs, thus Sharina Hernandez, chairman of customs union Sada. After several collisions with the management about the impending reorganization is the measure vol.

"We have often had problems with management on a Steering Committee that the reorganization would establish. Sada has no representation in the Steering Committee and that must change, "says Hernandez. In addition, employees for the least little disciplinary action while there are no consequences for members of the board when they go wrong in itself. "When they are all in the cover," said union leader. According to Hernandez directors would have been guilty of various irregularities. In detail it prefers not to. Also not on the violation of the customs officers themselves committed.

Seniority
Also, when promotion or new jobs does not take into account seniority within the customs staff. "Someone who because of his spot on the rankings the turn should be is often passed by someone else and that is not the intention. The police and firemen, there are clear agreements about this, that we want. "According to Hernandez is also no response to the desire of the Customs to release of Department of Taxation. "In 2005 and 2008 surveys were held among the employees and both times gave a majority of independent Directors and direct contact with the minister would stand." Sada finally complains about the safety of its members last Saturday after a customs officer was severely beaten during the practice of his duties. Evening at half past seven Sada hold a meeting among its members in Club Customs. Hernandez does not expect that direct action hard to follow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 08:16:53 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57794.php

Aruba

Alleged pedo release

8 Jun, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A suspected pedophile is last week by the judge to release stated. He should further conduct of the trial against him at liberty to spend.

The man is suspected in the period from August 2003 to December 2007 OBSCENE to have committed acts with two girls. It would also have been penetration. Moreover, the man suspected in November 2008 a 4-year-old child to have abused.  

According to David Kock, lawyer of the accused, the evidence against his client is very thin. He points to include witness statements that contradict one another. To provide more clarity to the court wanted to hear abused girls. The prosecutor did agree to this request on condition that the conversation between the judge and the children in a separate room without the accused are present. In anticipation of the statements of victims, the court to postpone the trial.

The lawyer responded to the request for the detention of his client off. He stressed again the meager evidence and the fact that the accused has since his arrest in February 2009 stuck. The Court decided this agreement and the alleged pedophile pending further progress of the case released.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57793.php

Aruba

Press Coordinator ATA MEP candidate

8 Jun, 2009, 16:44 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/08-aruba-mep.gif)

ORANGE CITY - Francis Jacobs last Sunday announced his candidacy on the kieslijst of MEP. This happened during a specially organized coffee morning in the Centro di Bario of Tanki Leendert. Jacobs, press coordinator of Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) and singer, has this to say own a long-cherished dream. His father was one of the founders of the party about 30 years ago and since then Jacobs has always had the ambition to ever enter politics to go. Even party leader Nelson Oduber was present at the meeting and called Jacobs welcome to the electoral list of MEP. John Francis Jacobs, the second candidate on the list of the yellow party. Previously, the candidacy of lawyer Evelyn Wever-Croes presented on June 17 follows that of Dr Michael Kelly. Party Oduber has recently stated several times that MEP is due to fresh blood, because a number of parliamentarians had already declared no longer on the list to face the coming elections.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 08, 2009, 11:06:32 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57794.php

Aruba

Alleged pedo release

8 Jun, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A suspected pedophile is last week by the judge to release stated. He should further conduct of the trial against him at liberty to spend.

The man is suspected in the period from August 2003 to December 2007 OBSCENE to have committed acts with two girls. It would also have been penetration. Moreover, the man suspected in November 2008 a 4-year-old child to have abused.  

According to David Kock, lawyer of the accused, the evidence against his client is very thin. He points to include witness statements that contradict one another. To provide more clarity to the court wanted to hear abused girls. The prosecutor did agree to this request on condition that the conversation between the judge and the children in a separate room without the accused are present. In anticipation of the statements of victims, the court to postpone the trial.

The lawyer responded to the request for the detention of his client off. He stressed again the meager evidence and the fact that the accused has since his arrest in February 2009 stuck. The Court decided this agreement and the alleged pedophile pending further progress of the case released.

David Kock....   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 08, 2009, 11:31:20 PM
Aruban economy debilitating further amidst falling inflation


13.3% decline in number of visitors
June 8, 2009 -- In March 2009, money supply went up by Afl. 41.6 million (1.4 percent) to Afl. 3,028.1 million. This increase was brought about by an Afl. 38.2 million expansion in net domestic assets and an Afl. 3.4 million net inflow of funds from abroad. Consequently, net foreign assets (excluding revaluation differences of gold and foreign exchange holdings) rose to Afl. 1,433.5 million at the end of March 2009, which is Afl. 559.4 million or 64 percent more than the amount recorded in the corresponding month of 2008.

The growth in net domestic assets was largely caused by an Afl. 28.5 million expansion in noncredit related balance sheet items, reflecting in part clearing transactions within the banking system. In addition, net claims of the banking sector on the public sector went up by Afl. 22.4 million (7.7 percent). In contrast, claims of the banking sector on the private sector, which have been declining since December 2008, fell by Afl. 12.7 million (0.5 percent), following decreases in loans to enterprises, consumer credit, and housing mortgages of Afl. 7.4 million (0.7 percent), Afl. 4.3 million (0.7 percent), and Afl. 0.9 million (0.1 percent), respectively.

In March 2009, the real turnover tax revenue (BBO) dwindled by 1.5 percent, for the third consecutive month, compared to March 2008. The figures used here are based on the BBO collected in April, which is indicative of turnover mostly generated in the previous month. In the first three months of 2009, the real BBO declined by 4.8 percent, compared to the corresponding period of 2008.

Moreover, in March 2009, stay-over visitors continued to debilitate as preliminary figures for that month recorded a 13.3 percent decline in the number of visitors and a 10.7 percent lower total nights spent in Aruba. In the first three months of 2009, stay-over visitors and total nights spent on the island went down by 8 percent and 5.2 percent, respectively (first
three months of 2008: +20.6 percent and +17.5 percent). The average occupancy rate of both hotels and timeshares, reported bythe Central Bureau of Statistics, registered a 5.5  percentage points fall to 79.5 percent in March 2009, compared to a year earlier. In the first quarter of 2009, this occupancy rate decreased by 4.7 percentage points to 80.7 percent, compared to the corresponding period of 2008. While stay-over tourism showed a weak performance, data from the Cruise Tourism Authority for March 2009 indicate that the number of cruise passengers went up by 13.3 percent, whereas the number of ship calls fell by 4.1 percent. Between January-March 2009, the number of cruise passengers increased by 4 percent, but the number of ship calls shrank by 12.8 percent (in 2008: +36.9 percent and +30 percent), indicative of either more larger ships including Aruba in their itinerary, or higher occupancy rates of the cruise vessels.

The end of period consumer price index (CPI) of March 2009 showed a deflation of 2.9 percent, the fourth in a row, compared to an inflation of 9.7 percent in March 2008. This average decline in prices was mostly due to the fall in the index of the category Housing, reflecting decreases in the subcategories Electricity, gas and other fuels and Water supply and miscellaneous services relating to the dwelling. In the first three months of 2009, the quarterly CPI decreased by 3 percent (first three months of 2008: +9.6 percent), largely on account of aforementioned factors. The 12-month average inflation rate fell by 1.2 percentage points to 5.7 percent. The differential with the inflation in the U.S.A., our main trading partner, dropped to 2.9 percentage points in March 2009, compared to 3.6 percentage points in the corresponding month a year earlier. When excluding the energy related components (water, electricity and gasoline), the 12-month inflation rate went up by 0.1 percentage point to 4.4 percent in March 2009, compared to the corresponding period a year earlier.

Centrale Bank van Aruba
June 5, 2009

http://www.caribbeanpressreleases.com/articles/5173/1/Aruban-economy-debilitating-further-amidst-falling-inflation/Page1.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 08, 2009, 11:57:43 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57794.php

Aruba

Alleged pedo release

8 Jun, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A suspected pedophile is last week by the judge to release stated. He should further conduct of the trial against him at liberty to spend.

The man is suspected in the period from August 2003 to December 2007 OBSCENE to have committed acts with two girls. It would also have been penetration. Moreover, the man suspected in November 2008 a 4-year-old child to have abused.  

According to David Kock, lawyer of the accused, the evidence against his client is very thin. He points to include witness statements that contradict one another. To provide more clarity to the court wanted to hear abused girls. The prosecutor did agree to this request on condition that the conversation between the judge and the children in a separate room without the accused are present. In anticipation of the statements of victims, the court to postpone the trial.

The lawyer responded to the request for the detention of his client off. He stressed again the meager evidence and the fact that the accused has since his arrest in February 2009 stuck. The Court decided this agreement and the alleged pedophile pending further progress of the case released.



David Kock....   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know, and IIRC he has small children!  Makes me sick!  How "thin" would the evidence be if one of his little ones told him that perv had done something to them?

Does anyone stand up and protect the children in Aruba?  The more I read, I really don't think so!
Just like this case....all we've heard about is the accused!  Who represented the victims in that court room?  I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that all these victims are just making the stories up!  Who cares if that pervert has spent three months in jail!  Somebody needs to get with the program and interview the victims!

 :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 12:01:34 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57794.php

Aruba

Alleged pedo release

8 Jun, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A suspected pedophile is last week by the judge to release stated. He should further conduct of the trial against him at liberty to spend.

The man is suspected in the period from August 2003 to December 2007 OBSCENE to have committed acts with two girls. It would also have been penetration. Moreover, the man suspected in November 2008 a 4-year-old child to have abused.  

According to David Kock, lawyer of the accused, the evidence against his client is very thin. He points to include witness statements that contradict one another. To provide more clarity to the court wanted to hear abused girls. The prosecutor did agree to this request on condition that the conversation between the judge and the children in a separate room without the accused are present. In anticipation of the statements of victims, the court to postpone the trial.

The lawyer responded to the request for the detention of his client off. He stressed again the meager evidence and the fact that the accused has since his arrest in February 2009 stuck. The Court decided this agreement and the alleged pedophile pending further progress of the case released.



David Kock....   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know, and IIRC he has small children!  Makes me sick!  How "thin" would the evidence be if one of his little ones told him that perv had done something to them?

Does anyone stand up and protect the children in Aruba?  The more I read, I really don't think so!
Just like this case....all we've heard about is the accused!  Who represented the victims in that court room?  I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that all these victims are just making the stories up!  Who cares if that pervert has spent three months in jail!  Somebody needs to get with the program and interview the victims!

 :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

The two girls were over a FOUR YEAR period of time!  And then a FOUR YEAR OLD!
WHO IS THIS GUY A RELATIVE OF?

WHERE'S ROBOTS?  I need him!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 12:32:03 AM
(My guess is the tourist drowned?) 

6/9/2009 Awe Mainta Page 27

http://awemainta.com/home/

Papiamentu translation:

urgente.... tourist owing to hoga yesterday afternoon at kontiki beach yesterday, alrededor of 13.20or, central of police owing to find notificacion cu at kontiki beach one tourist have to owing to hoga. for of investigacion preliminar owing to result cu the fellow vctima hendrik voorburg nac at the netherlands, 23 augsts 1949, was ne beach y owing to enter water pe swim y snrkel. dado instant personanan cu was swim ne beach owing to notice cu the vctima was drief at one as odd on water y owing to ask yudansa for saca the vctima for of water, cu not was give sign of life. for more or mnos 14.20or doctor of police owing to constat dead of the vctima. cause of the hogamento is in investigacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 12:37:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 09, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57794.php

Aruba

Alleged pedo release

8 Jun, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A suspected pedophile is last week by the judge to release stated. He should further conduct of the trial against him at liberty to spend.

The man is suspected in the period from August 2003 to December 2007 OBSCENE to have committed acts with two girls. It would also have been penetration. Moreover, the man suspected in November 2008 a 4-year-old child to have abused.  

According to David Kock, lawyer of the accused, the evidence against his client is very thin. He points to include witness statements that contradict one another. To provide more clarity to the court wanted to hear abused girls. The prosecutor did agree to this request on condition that the conversation between the judge and the children in a separate room without the accused are present. In anticipation of the statements of victims, the court to postpone the trial.

The lawyer responded to the request for the detention of his client off. He stressed again the meager evidence and the fact that the accused has since his arrest in February 2009 stuck. The Court decided this agreement and the alleged pedophile pending further progress of the case released.



David Kock....   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know, and IIRC he has small children!  Makes me sick!  How "thin" would the evidence be if one of his little ones told him that perv had done something to them?

Does anyone stand up and protect the children in Aruba?  The more I read, I really don't think so!
Just like this case....all we've heard about is the accused!  Who represented the victims in that court room?  I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that all these victims are just making the stories up!  Who cares if that pervert has spent three months in jail!  Somebody needs to get with the program and interview the victims!

 :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

The two girls were over a FOUR YEAR period of time!  And then a FOUR YEAR OLD!
WHO IS THIS GUY A RELATIVE OF?

WHERE'S ROBOTS?  I need him!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

I agree....just the fact that he took the case was enough for me to shake my head.  I never even thought of who the perp would be related to, until you mentioned it....but on that island...they are all related, it seems.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I miss Robots, too.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 09, 2009, 12:46:28 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

Natalee's eyes look like crystals......let justice shine through them.....we'll be here....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 09, 2009, 01:07:46 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57794.php

Aruba

Alleged pedo release

8 Jun, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A suspected pedophile is last week by the judge to release stated. He should further conduct of the trial against him at liberty to spend.

The man is suspected in the period from August 2003 to December 2007 OBSCENE to have committed acts with two girls. It would also have been penetration. Moreover, the man suspected in November 2008 a 4-year-old child to have abused.  

According to David Kock, lawyer of the accused, the evidence against his client is very thin. He points to include witness statements that contradict one another. To provide more clarity to the court wanted to hear abused girls. The prosecutor did agree to this request on condition that the conversation between the judge and the children in a separate room without the accused are present. In anticipation of the statements of victims, the court to postpone the trial.

The lawyer responded to the request for the detention of his client off. He stressed again the meager evidence and the fact that the accused has since his arrest in February 2009 stuck. The Court decided this agreement and the alleged pedophile pending further progress of the case released.



David Kock....   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know, and IIRC he has small children!  Makes me sick!  How "thin" would the evidence be if one of his little ones told him that perv had done something to them?

Does anyone stand up and protect the children in Aruba?  The more I read, I really don't think so!
Just like this case....all we've heard about is the accused!  Who represented the victims in that court room?  I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that all these victims are just making the stories up!  Who cares if that pervert has spent three months in jail!  Somebody needs to get with the program and interview the victims!

 :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

The two girls were over a FOUR YEAR period of time!  And then a FOUR YEAR OLD!
WHO IS THIS GUY A RELATIVE OF?

WHERE'S ROBOTS?  I need him!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 
This is EXACTLY what is WRONG with the culture on aruba!
Sick POS defending Sick POS!
They feel they are entitled......Woman and children are third class citizens there only for the pleasure of the empowered men...kock would defend a sicko even over the well being of his own children just to show the entitled class that he is one of them....
I know it doesn't sound right as I type it,,,,,but i truly believe they put their good old boys club above everything else....
and the good old boys club honor them when they do....SICKOS one and all...
I HATE THEM ALL.......(Thanks Robots)..we miss you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 09, 2009, 01:10:40 AM
Good night all good Monkeys.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 01:20:23 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57794.php

Aruba

Alleged pedo release

8 Jun, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A suspected pedophile is last week by the judge to release stated. He should further conduct of the trial against him at liberty to spend.

The man is suspected in the period from August 2003 to December 2007 OBSCENE to have committed acts with two girls. It would also have been penetration. Moreover, the man suspected in November 2008 a 4-year-old child to have abused.  

According to David Kock, lawyer of the accused, the evidence against his client is very thin. He points to include witness statements that contradict one another. To provide more clarity to the court wanted to hear abused girls. The prosecutor did agree to this request on condition that the conversation between the judge and the children in a separate room without the accused are present. In anticipation of the statements of victims, the court to postpone the trial.

The lawyer responded to the request for the detention of his client off. He stressed again the meager evidence and the fact that the accused has since his arrest in February 2009 stuck. The Court decided this agreement and the alleged pedophile pending further progress of the case released.



David Kock....   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know, and IIRC he has small children!  Makes me sick!  How "thin" would the evidence be if one of his little ones told him that perv had done something to them?

Does anyone stand up and protect the children in Aruba?  The more I read, I really don't think so!
Just like this case....all we've heard about is the accused!  Who represented the victims in that court room?  I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that all these victims are just making the stories up!  Who cares if that pervert has spent three months in jail!  Somebody needs to get with the program and interview the victims!

 :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

The two girls were over a FOUR YEAR period of time!  And then a FOUR YEAR OLD!
WHO IS THIS GUY A RELATIVE OF?

WHERE'S ROBOTS?  I need him!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 
This is EXACTLY what is WRONG with the culture on aruba!
Sick POS defending Sick POS!
They feel they are entitled......Woman and children are third class citizens there only for the pleasure of the empowered men...kock would defend a sicko even over the well being of his own children just to show the entitled class that he is one of them....
I know it doesn't sound right as I type it,,,,,but i truly believe they put their good old boys club above everything else....
and the good old boys club honor them when they do....SICKOS one and all...
I HATE THEM ALL.......(Thanks Robots)..we miss you!

It sounded right on to me billb!   ::MonkeyCool::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 01:21:20 AM
Good night all good Monkeys.....

Good night billb, and thanks!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 01:23:11 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

Natalee's eyes look like crystals......let justice shine through them.....we'll be here....

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 01:24:39 AM


Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on June 09, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
Stopped in to say, Hi....hope everyone is well!!  ::MonkeyWink::

pb



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 09, 2009, 02:38:24 PM
Hi, back at you, PB.   We're fine, thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 04:35:45 PM
Aruba\Antilles European Parliament Election Results
14.706 people on Aruba casted their ballot for the European Parliament elections. 13.270 voted for Aruban Mito Croes who is ranked 11 on the list of the Dutch governing CDA party of Dutch PM Balkenende. 1.155 people voted for Aruban Nadya van Putten who is ranked 5 on the list of the Dutch opposition Green Left Party. 633 of the 1,500 people who casted their ballot in the Netherlands Antilles voted for Nadya van Putten and 582 for Mito Croes. The votes for other parties were insignificant. (Various media)

http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/uploads/images/nXyIwfyZCXXtdMpu8FGccA/WEEKLY_News.pdf



Some nice topics in this weekly news from Curacao....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 04:53:14 PM
This article shows what a bunch of arrogant azzholez truly inhabit this EVIL ISLAND!An older article but i think it cleary shows the Psychology of the Powers that be...

By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008
Nassau, Bahamas (eTN) - Arubas recent tourism numbers are expected to look positive compared to previous years. Travel & Tourism in Aruba was expected to rake in US$2354.9 million in economic activity as of 2007 end. Aruba's Travel & Tourism Economy (direct and indirect impact) is expected to account for 70.1 percent of GDP and for 52000 jobs (82.4 percent of total employment), according to the World Travel & Tourism Council. Despite a highly-sensationalized case involving tourist Natalee Holloway, an Alabaman teenager who traveled to the island but mysteriously disappeared two years ago, Aruba's Travel & Tourism is expected to report 2.1 percent growth in 2007 and 3.3 percent per annum, in real terms, between 2008 and 2017.

With good news about Aruba reported by the tourism authorities, last December however, the media revisited an old, but not long- forgotten story. Prosecutors closed the case on Holloways disappearance in May 2005 on the Dutch Caribbean island. Authorities said they do not have evidence to charge suspects Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, who were last seen with Holloway. They have been notified by the public prosecutor that they will not be charged. The press was abuzz with the latest developments.

eTN caught up with Arubas minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media. In an exclusive interview at the Caribbean Hotel Association Marketplace held January 13-15 on Paradise Island, Bahamas, Briesen confirmed the US remains strong as its number one market.

eTN: How is the Aruban tourism industry reacting to the developments on the Holloway case being over?
Minister Briesen: We were strongly hit by this incident. Unfortunately last year, theyve closed the case. But in the Dutch justice system, the case is not close. It will remain a silent, open case should any lead come in. We have spent a lot of money bringing in experts from day one to the last day of December 2007, including Dutch investigation experts. We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which well have to counter.

From 2005 to early 2006, Aruba was badly hit by the incident due to the negative publicity. In October 2006, Aruba tourism recovered. I think weve turned the corner.

eTN:  With an image of being a peaceful island on the Caribbean, why do you think this incident has been lingering and has continued to impact the tourism industry of Aruba?
Briesen:[b] I dont know about the family problems they have which seem to be the reason behind this case. [/b] In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. Its been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended. I dont know what other reasons there exist. Weve opened our doors to help the family solve their issue. Weve been cooperative and have spent a lot of government money on the investigation.

eTN: Could this have been a bad example of security loophole?
Briesen:  Weve had the FBI, the Aruban special task force, F16s and special recovery vessels searching the island. Nothing turned up. Its really a strange mystery. The island is so small, social ties are strong. Everybody knows everybody in Aruba. For us, this has been a mystery as well. Unfortunately, there is no closure just yet.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?
Briesen:  Among all challenges weve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us hostage for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

We are the safest island in the entire western hemisphere. Things like this dont happen in Aruba.

eTN: Do you want closure for the family?
Briesen:  Of course, we went out of our way to help them. Weve been very cooperative.

eTN: What message do you have for the US travelers?
Briesen: What happened in Aruba has given us and the Caribbean a hard lesson to learn, which has become for us and everybody a model for crisis management on the islands. This is one case which we, as a member of the Caribbean Tourism Organization, have learned from and employed as a crisis model. Weve received support from the CTO and the CHA through the years, with sustaining the US market, our loyal clients for over 30 years. Three of four visitors to Aruba are Americans. This is a case that boggles us. But wed like to forget and move on.

We got tremendous support from the US market. Forty-two percent of our rooms are timeshare, booked primarily by Americans. Theyve helped us turn the corner so Aruba can move on.


What a P.O.S Briesen is...How much more sh_T can one spew?? ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 09, 2009, 05:30:47 PM
Thank you KTF!

And THAT guy is (likely) the person John Silvetti met with from AHATA for a "big donation"  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 05:53:07 PM
Thank you KTF!

And THAT guy is (likely) the person John Silvetti met with from AHATA for a "big donation"  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Isn't that an interesting date to publish that interview!Jan 16th 2008.Tell me Briesen wasn't fully aware of what was transpiring on the Persistence.....I'd be curious to know the actual day he was interviewed.Inquiring minds want to know.After all evidence was collected and discarded???? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2009, 06:08:34 PM
This article shows what a bunch of arrogant azzholez truly inhabit this EVIL ISLAND!An older article but i think it cleary shows the Psychology of the Powers that be...

By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008
Nassau, Bahamas (eTN) - Arubas recent tourism numbers are expected to look positive compared to previous years. Travel & Tourism in Aruba was expected to rake in US$2354.9 million in economic activity as of 2007 end. Aruba's Travel & Tourism Economy (direct and indirect impact) is expected to account for 70.1 percent of GDP and for 52000 jobs (82.4 percent of total employment), according to the World Travel & Tourism Council. Despite a highly-sensationalized case involving tourist Natalee Holloway, an Alabaman teenager who traveled to the island but mysteriously disappeared two years ago, Aruba's Travel & Tourism is expected to report 2.1 percent growth in 2007 and 3.3 percent per annum, in real terms, between 2008 and 2017.

With good news about Aruba reported by the tourism authorities, last December however, the media revisited an old, but not long- forgotten story. Prosecutors closed the case on Holloways disappearance in May 2005 on the Dutch Caribbean island. Authorities said they do not have evidence to charge suspects Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, who were last seen with Holloway. They have been notified by the public prosecutor that they will not be charged. The press was abuzz with the latest developments.

eTN caught up with Arubas minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media. In an exclusive interview at the Caribbean Hotel Association Marketplace held January 13-15 on Paradise Island, Bahamas, Briesen confirmed the US remains strong as its number one market.

eTN: How is the Aruban tourism industry reacting to the developments on the Holloway case being over?
Minister Briesen: We were strongly hit by this incident. Unfortunately last year, theyve closed the case. But in the Dutch justice system, the case is not close. It will remain a silent, open case should any lead come in. We have spent a lot of money bringing in experts from day one to the last day of December 2007, including Dutch investigation experts. We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which well have to counter.

From 2005 to early 2006, Aruba was badly hit by the incident due to the negative publicity. In October 2006, Aruba tourism recovered. I think weve turned the corner.

eTN:  With an image of being a peaceful island on the Caribbean, why do you think this incident has been lingering and has continued to impact the tourism industry of Aruba?

Briesen:[b] I dont know about the family problems they have which seem to be the reason behind this case. [/b] In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. Its been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended. I dont know what other reasons there exist. Weve opened our doors to help the family solve their issue. Weve been cooperative and have spent a lot of government money on the investigation.

eTN: Could this have been a bad example of security loophole?
Briesen:  Weve had the FBI, the Aruban special task force, F16s and special recovery vessels searching the island. Nothing turned up. Its really a strange mystery. The island is so small, social ties are strong. Everybody knows everybody in Aruba. For us, this has been a mystery as well. Unfortunately, there is no closure just yet.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?
Briesen:  Among all challenges weve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us hostage for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

We are the safest island in the entire western hemisphere. Things like this dont happen in Aruba.

eTN: Do you want closure for the family?
Briesen:  Of course, we went out of our way to help them. Weve been very cooperative.

eTN: What message do you have for the US travelers?
Briesen: What happened in Aruba has given us and the Caribbean a hard lesson to learn, which has become for us and everybody a model for crisis management on the islands. This is one case which we, as a member of the Caribbean Tourism Organization, have learned from and employed as a crisis model. Weve received support from the CTO and the CHA through the years, with sustaining the US market, our loyal clients for over 30 years. Three of four visitors to Aruba are Americans. This is a case that boggles us. But wed like to forget and move on.

We got tremendous support from the US market. Forty-two percent of our rooms are timeshare, booked primarily by Americans. Theyve helped us turn the corner so Aruba can move on.


What a P.O.S Briesen is...How much more sh_T can one spew?? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Dave Holloway involvement in the John Silvetti/Edison Briesen connection implies a Mark Purcell connection.  Remember Mark Purcell ... the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel and ... his wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and ... both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.  Remember Mark Purcell who is thisclose to Robin and Dave Holloway.

Janet

+++++++++

JOHN SILVETTI - IN HIS OWN WORDS

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association  who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth. I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 06:12:03 PM
This article shows what a bunch of arrogant azzholez truly inhabit this EVIL ISLAND!An older article but i think it cleary shows the Psychology of the Powers that be...

By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008
Nassau, Bahamas (eTN) - Arubas recent tourism numbers are expected to look positive compared to previous years. Travel & Tourism in Aruba was expected to rake in US$2354.9 million in economic activity as of 2007 end. Aruba's Travel & Tourism Economy (direct and indirect impact) is expected to account for 70.1 percent of GDP and for 52000 jobs (82.4 percent of total employment), according to the World Travel & Tourism Council. Despite a highly-sensationalized case involving tourist Natalee Holloway, an Alabaman teenager who traveled to the island but mysteriously disappeared two years ago, Aruba's Travel & Tourism is expected to report 2.1 percent growth in 2007 and 3.3 percent per annum, in real terms, between 2008 and 2017.

With good news about Aruba reported by the tourism authorities, last December however, the media revisited an old, but not long- forgotten story. Prosecutors closed the case on Holloways disappearance in May 2005 on the Dutch Caribbean island. Authorities said they do not have evidence to charge suspects Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, who were last seen with Holloway. They have been notified by the public prosecutor that they will not be charged. The press was abuzz with the latest developments.

eTN caught up with Arubas minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media. In an exclusive interview at the Caribbean Hotel Association Marketplace held January 13-15 on Paradise Island, Bahamas, Briesen confirmed the US remains strong as its number one market.

eTN: How is the Aruban tourism industry reacting to the developments on the Holloway case being over?
Minister Briesen: We were strongly hit by this incident. Unfortunately last year, theyve closed the case. But in the Dutch justice system, the case is not close. It will remain a silent, open case should any lead come in. We have spent a lot of money bringing in experts from day one to the last day of December 2007, including Dutch investigation experts. We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which well have to counter.

From 2005 to early 2006, Aruba was badly hit by the incident due to the negative publicity. In October 2006, Aruba tourism recovered. I think weve turned the corner.

eTN:  With an image of being a peaceful island on the Caribbean, why do you think this incident has been lingering and has continued to impact the tourism industry of Aruba?

Briesen:[[/b]b] I dont know about the family problems they have which seem to be the reason behind this case. In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. Its been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended. I dont know what other reasons there exist. Weve opened our doors to help the family solve their issue. Weve been cooperative and have spent a lot of government money on the investigation.

eTN: Could this have been a bad example of security loophole?
Briesen:  Weve had the FBI, the Aruban special task force, F16s and special recovery vessels searching the island. Nothing turned up. Its really a strange mystery. The island is so small, social ties are strong. Everybody knows everybody in Aruba. For us, this has been a mystery as well. Unfortunately, there is no closure just yet.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?
Briesen:  Among all challenges weve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us hostage for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

We are the safest island in the entire western hemisphere. Things like this dont happen in Aruba.

eTN: Do you want closure for the family?
Briesen:  Of course, we went out of our way to help them. Weve been very cooperative.

eTN: What message do you have for the US travelers?
Briesen: What happened in Aruba has given us and the Caribbean a hard lesson to learn, which has become for us and everybody a model for crisis management on the islands. This is one case which we, as a member of the Caribbean Tourism Organization, have learned from and employed as a crisis model. Weve received support from the CTO and the CHA through the years, with sustaining the US market, our loyal clients for over 30 years. Three of four visitors to Aruba are Americans. This is a case that boggles us. But wed like to forget and move on.

We got tremendous support from the US market. Forty-two percent of our rooms are timeshare, booked primarily by Americans. Theyve helped us turn the corner so Aruba can move on.


What a P.O.S Briesen is...How much more sh_T can one spew?? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Dave Holloway involvement in the John Silvetti/Edison Briesen connection implies a Mark Purcell connection.  Remember Mark Purcell ... the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel and ... his wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and ... both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.  Remember Mark Purcell who is thisclose to Robin and Dave Holloway.

Janet

+++++++++

JOHN SILVETTI - IN HIS OWN WORDS

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association  who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth. I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM



It is all quite interesting.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2009, 06:28:12 PM
Thank you KTF!

And THAT guy is (likely) the person John Silvetti met with from AHATA for a "big donation"  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Isn't that an interesting date to publish that interview!Jan 16th 2008.Tell me Briesen wasn't fully aware of what was transpiring on the Persistence.....I'd be curious to know the actual day he was interviewed.Inquiring minds want to know.After all evidence was collected and discarded???? ::MonkeyNoNo::

When Kyle Kingman's own words are considered ... if John Silvetti received that "sizeable"  donation from the enemy to further a search that was never furthered ... it does not make sense unless that "sizable" donation had everything to do with his participation in the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 06:32:11 PM
Thank you KTF!

And THAT guy is (likely) the person John Silvetti met with from AHATA for a "big donation"  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Isn't that an interesting date to publish that interview!Jan 16th 2008.Tell me Briesen wasn't fully aware of what was transpiring on the Persistence.....I'd be curious to know the actual day he was interviewed.Inquiring minds want to know.After all evidence was collected and discarded???? ::MonkeyNoNo::

When Kyle Kingman's own words are considered ... if John Silvetti received that "sizeable"  donation from the enemy to further a search that was never furthered ... it does not make sense unless that "sizable" donation had everything to do with his participation in the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

LOGIC DICTATES.. ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2009, 06:37:53 PM
This article shows what a bunch of arrogant azzholez truly inhabit this EVIL ISLAND!An older article but i think it cleary shows the Psychology of the Powers that be...

By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008
Nassau, Bahamas (eTN) - Arubas recent tourism numbers are expected to look positive compared to previous years. Travel & Tourism in Aruba was expected to rake in US$2354.9 million in economic activity as of 2007 end. Aruba's Travel & Tourism Economy (direct and indirect impact) is expected to account for 70.1 percent of GDP and for 52000 jobs (82.4 percent of total employment), according to the World Travel & Tourism Council. Despite a highly-sensationalized case involving tourist Natalee Holloway, an Alabaman teenager who traveled to the island but mysteriously disappeared two years ago, Aruba's Travel & Tourism is expected to report 2.1 percent growth in 2007 and 3.3 percent per annum, in real terms, between 2008 and 2017.

With good news about Aruba reported by the tourism authorities, last December however, the media revisited an old, but not long- forgotten story. Prosecutors closed the case on Holloways disappearance in May 2005 on the Dutch Caribbean island. Authorities said they do not have evidence to charge suspects Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, who were last seen with Holloway. They have been notified by the public prosecutor that they will not be charged. The press was abuzz with the latest developments.

eTN caught up with Arubas minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media. In an exclusive interview at the Caribbean Hotel Association Marketplace held January 13-15 on Paradise Island, Bahamas, Briesen confirmed the US remains strong as its number one market.

eTN: How is the Aruban tourism industry reacting to the developments on the Holloway case being over?
Minister Briesen: We were strongly hit by this incident. Unfortunately last year, theyve closed the case. But in the Dutch justice system, the case is not close. It will remain a silent, open case should any lead come in. We have spent a lot of money bringing in experts from day one to the last day of December 2007, including Dutch investigation experts. We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which well have to counter.

From 2005 to early 2006, Aruba was badly hit by the incident due to the negative publicity. In October 2006, Aruba tourism recovered. I think weve turned the corner.

eTN:  With an image of being a peaceful island on the Caribbean, why do you think this incident has been lingering and has continued to impact the tourism industry of Aruba?

Briesen:[[/b]b] I dont know about the family problems they have which seem to be the reason behind this case. In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. Its been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended. I dont know what other reasons there exist. Weve opened our doors to help the family solve their issue. Weve been cooperative and have spent a lot of government money on the investigation.

eTN: Could this have been a bad example of security loophole?
Briesen:  Weve had the FBI, the Aruban special task force, F16s and special recovery vessels searching the island. Nothing turned up. Its really a strange mystery. The island is so small, social ties are strong. Everybody knows everybody in Aruba. For us, this has been a mystery as well. Unfortunately, there is no closure just yet.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?
Briesen:  Among all challenges weve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us hostage for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

We are the safest island in the entire western hemisphere. Things like this dont happen in Aruba.

eTN: Do you want closure for the family?
Briesen:  Of course, we went out of our way to help them. Weve been very cooperative.

eTN: What message do you have for the US travelers?
Briesen: What happened in Aruba has given us and the Caribbean a hard lesson to learn, which has become for us and everybody a model for crisis management on the islands. This is one case which we, as a member of the Caribbean Tourism Organization, have learned from and employed as a crisis model. Weve received support from the CTO and the CHA through the years, with sustaining the US market, our loyal clients for over 30 years. Three of four visitors to Aruba are Americans. This is a case that boggles us. But wed like to forget and move on.

We got tremendous support from the US market. Forty-two percent of our rooms are timeshare, booked primarily by Americans. Theyve helped us turn the corner so Aruba can move on.


What a P.O.S Briesen is...How much more sh_T can one spew?? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Dave Holloway involvement in the John Silvetti/Edison Briesen connection implies a Mark Purcell connection.  Remember Mark Purcell ... the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel and ... his wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and ... both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.  Remember Mark Purcell who is thisclose to Robin and Dave Holloway.

Janet

+++++++++

JOHN SILVETTI - IN HIS OWN WORDS

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association  who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth. I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM



It is all quite interesting.. ::MonkeyCool::

Keepthefaith

Robin and Dave's connection with those who in the past have openly participanted in the Aruban coverup agenda ... is so much more than just interesting and ... it is beginning to make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 06:43:25 PM
Making sense?What are your thoughts Janet.If you care to share them at this time?I'm still struggling wholeheartedly with Dave Holloway,not so much Robin..What is their purpose for communicating with these miscreant of Aruba.It sure the hell isn't about justice because you won't get it from Aruba...Period.So what for???AHHHHHHHHH... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 07:34:51 PM
Whatta ya think Chata?Just me and you right now..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2009, 08:39:15 PM
Making sense?What are your thoughts Janet.If you care to share them at this time?I'm still struggling wholeheartedly with Dave Holloway,not so much Robin..What is their purpose for communicating with these miscreant of Aruba.It sure the hell isn't about justice because you won't get it from Aruba...Period.So what for???AHHHHHHHHH... ::MonkeyWaa::

In 2006 Dave wrote a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".  He acknowledged the coverup role of those within the Aruban Law Enforcement ... the ATA/AHATA ... the Dutch/Aruban administrations and ... the judiciary ... in regards to disappearance of his daughter.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when the outcome of the Persistence undertaking is considered and ... John Silvetti's failure to ensure in the planning stages that an FBI presence would be allowed on board the ship if requested.  Without this assurance the eventual negative outcome was a given.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when his connection with Mark Purcell is considered in regards to the events which were obviously meant to distract from the contents of the trap ... events that involved the ATA/AHATA.

Back in the fall of 2006 ... following his connection with Mark Purcell ... Dave Holloway was made aware of past posts which Purcell had submitted to various forums dispicably undermining Beth, Jug, Natalee, the MB students as well as Dave himself.  Dave was made aware of posts which lifted Julie Renfro onto a Pedestal.  Dave was also made aware of the posts Mark submitted upholding the investigation as well as the main suspects.

In Robin Holloway's own updates on BFN ... she shared how Mark Purcell was following up on "tips" that Dave would receive.  To me ... it defied logic for the longest time.

Even with backup ... if I shared why it all now makes sense to me ... there would be Monkeys on this forum who would go up one side of me and down the other insisting that Dave Holloway is only guilty of naivity ... only guilty of not standing up to a domineering wife whose hate for her husband's exwife exceed the love for her stepdaughter.  However ... I give Dave Holloway soo much more credit.

The foundation of my logic to research this topic took root when it dawned on me that the darkside forums which undermine Beth and Jug are the same forums that uphold Dave and Robin.  I asked myself.  Why?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
I am not sure if any of the Monkeys followed the ongoing debate I had with Charlierat on the Lifetime forum a few weeks back.

I quoted time and time from Dave's book which was released in 2006 prior to the Mark Purcell connection.  I also quoted time and time again from Beth's book with was released in 2007.  The perception given by both of Natalee's parents in their respective books was that a corrupt Aruban investigation ... a corrupt Aruban investigation that involved the participation of the ALE, the prosecution, the ATA/AHATA, the Dutch/Aruban administrations as well as the judiciary ... was preventing justice from prevailing for their daughter.  The perception of their respective books was that Aruba's underground economy encompassing drugs, alcohol, gambling as well as the sex trade made Aruba an unsafe travel destination for unsuspecting tourists.

Well ... Charlierat informed me that Loving Natalee was 90% fiction with an agenda to encourage other to boycott Aruba while ... on the other hand ... Corruption in Paradise was not written by Dave Holloway at all.  It was Larry Garrison's creation.

This is what I mean which I state that the darkside which undermines Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation ... at the same time ... upholds Dave Holloway while implying his original position on the issues encompassing the Aruban investigation has changed.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
Making sense?What are your thoughts Janet.If you care to share them at this time?I'm still struggling wholeheartedly with Dave Holloway,not so much Robin..What is their purpose for communicating with these miscreant of Aruba.It sure the hell isn't about justice because you won't get it from Aruba...Period.So what for???AHHHHHHHHH... ::MonkeyWaa::

In 2006 Dave wrote a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".  He acknowledged the coverup role of those within the Aruban Law Enforcement ... the ATA/AHATA ... the Dutch/Aruban administrations and ... the judiciary ... in regards to disappearance of his daughter.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when the outcome of the Persistence undertaking is considered and ... John Silvetti's failure to ensure in the planning stages that an FBI presence would be allowed on board the ship if requested.  Without this assurance the eventual negative outcome was a given.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when his connection with Mark Purcell is considered in regards to the events which were obviously meant to distract from the contents of the trap ... events that involved the ATA/AHATA.

Back in the fall of 2006 ... following his connection with Mark Purcell ... Dave Holloway was made aware of past posts which Purcell had submitted to various forums dispicably undermining Beth, Jug, Natalee, the MB students as well as Dave himself.  Dave was made aware of posts which lifted Julie Renfro onto a Pedestal.  Dave was also made aware of the posts Mark submitted upholding the investigation as well as the main suspects.

In Robin Holloway's own updates on BFN ... she shared how Mark Purcell was following up on "tips" that Dave would receive.  To me ... it defied logic for the longest time.

Even with backup ... if I shared why it all now makes sense to me ... there would be Monkeys on this forum who would go up one side of me and down the other insisting that Dave Holloway is only guilty of naivity ... only guilty of not standing up to a domineering wife whose hate for her husband's exwife exceed the love for her stepdaughter.  However ... I give Dave Holloway soo much more credit.

The foundation of my logic to research this topic took root when it dawned on me that the darkside forums which undermine Beth and Jug are the same forums that uphold Dave and Robin.  I asked myself.  Why?

Janet

Thank You Janet! ::MonkeyWink::

I understand and agree.Why has Dave Holloway not spoken up and admonished anyone that has undermined Natalee,Beth,and or Jug?Obviously they aren't at one in regards to there feelings about Aruba & Justice...JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2009, 08:54:37 PM
Thank you Keepthefaith.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 09:02:40 PM
Thank you Keepthefaith.

Janet

We are here for Truth & Justice for Natalee Holloway..Wherever that takes us,and i mean wherever....JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2009, 09:06:08 PM
Making sense?What are your thoughts Janet.If you care to share them at this time?I'm still struggling wholeheartedly with Dave Holloway,not so much Robin..What is their purpose for communicating with these miscreant of Aruba.It sure the hell isn't about justice because you won't get it from Aruba...Period.So what for???AHHHHHHHHH... ::MonkeyWaa::

In 2006 Dave wrote a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".  He acknowledged the coverup role of those within the Aruban Law Enforcement ... the ATA/AHATA ... the Dutch/Aruban administrations and ... the judiciary ... in regards to disappearance of his daughter.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when the outcome of the Persistence undertaking is considered and ... John Silvetti's failure to ensure in the planning stages that an FBI presence would be allowed on board the ship if requested.  Without this assurance the eventual negative outcome was a given.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when his connection with Mark Purcell is considered in regards to the events which were obviously meant to distract from the contents of the trap ... events that involved the ATA/AHATA.

Back in the fall of 2006 ... following his connection with Mark Purcell ... Dave Holloway was made aware of past posts which Purcell had submitted to various forums dispicably undermining Beth, Jug, Natalee, the MB students as well as Dave himself.  Dave was made aware of posts which lifted Julie Renfro onto a Pedestal.  Dave was also made aware of the posts Mark submitted upholding the investigation as well as the main suspects.

In Robin Holloway's own updates on BFN ... she shared how Mark Purcell was following up on "tips" that Dave would receive.  To me ... it defied logic for the longest time.

Even with backup ... if I shared why it all now makes sense to me ... there would be Monkeys on this forum who would go up one side of me and down the other insisting that Dave Holloway is only guilty of naivity ... only guilty of not standing up to a domineering wife whose hate for her husband's exwife exceed the love for her stepdaughter.  However ... I give Dave Holloway soo much more credit.

The foundation of my logic to research this topic took root when it dawned on me that the darkside forums which undermine Beth and Jug are the same forums that uphold Dave and Robin.  I asked myself.  Why?

Janet

Thank You Janet! ::MonkeyWink::

I understand and agree.Why has Dave Holloway not spoken up and admonished anyone that has undermined Natalee,Beth,and or Jug?Obviously they aren't at one in regards to there feelings about Aruba & Justice...JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::

A comparison of Beth' Loving Natalee which was released in 2007 with Dave's Corruption in Paradise reveals that Dave was one with Natalee's mother on the issues at one time.  The two books compliment each other.  However ... it was within a few month of the release of Dave Holloway's book in 2006 that the Mark Purcell/ Reality/ Ramm connection took place.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 09:10:40 PM
My opinion simply put.Dave Holloway should make it LOUD & CLEAR that anyone that undermines Natalee,Beth and Jug,are not in pursuit of Justice..JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2009, 09:21:03 PM
My opinion simply put.Dave Holloway should make it LOUD & CLEAR that anyone that undermines Natalee,Beth and Jug,are not in pursuit of Justice..JMOO

... and upholds Julia Renfro as well as those who participated in the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  There were those within the ALE, the prosecution, the ATA/AHATA, the judiciary as well as those who participated in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005.

Then ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... there were those on board the Persistence ... John Silvetti, Tim Trahan ....

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2009, 09:57:42 PM
I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 10:13:06 PM
I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO of CountryWide  for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging.. ::MonkeyDance::

Correction added! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2009, 10:32:47 PM
I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO of CountryWide  for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging.. ::MonkeyDance::

Correction added! ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm damned tired of waiting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 10:40:39 PM
I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO of CountryWide  for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging.. ::MonkeyDance::

Correction added! ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm damned tired of waiting.

Me too Wreck..I do what i can by diggin up what my patience allows me too! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 09, 2009, 11:14:38 PM
I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO of CountryWide  for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging.. ::MonkeyDance::

Correction added! ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm damned tired of waiting.

Me too Wreck..I do what i can by diggin up what my patience allows me too! ::MonkeyCool::

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Yes, the clock is ticking but we're still here, digging and waiting.  We all get tired but are still here.  There has to be an answer....something....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2009, 11:28:26 PM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2009, 11:41:18 PM
Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  ::MonkeyEek:: If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 09, 2009, 11:50:47 PM
Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  ::MonkeyEek:: If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 09, 2009, 11:52:55 PM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 09, 2009, 11:54:03 PM
Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  ::MonkeyEek:: If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....

I'll be heading out soon, but when I just posted, it didn't seem as though it would go through....I hit Back and it the post was there.   ::MonkeyEek:: 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 09, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

Hello, Magnolia.  You know more than I.....didn't spend too much time checking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 11:56:28 PM
Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  ::MonkeyEek:: If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....

I'll be heading out soon, but when I just posted, it didn't seem as though it would go through....I hit Back and it the post was there.   ::MonkeyEek:: 



Stackin,Stackin,Stackin...Wreck is a Stackin Cowboy! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 11:57:33 PM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

Hi Magnolia!

I'm not going away either.  And I'm glad to hear those sites are gone.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 09, 2009, 11:59:01 PM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

That's what happens when you mess with a Muppet! ::MonkeyShocked:: Sh_t hitz the fan,so to speak....Beaker & Gonzo handled it!Anymore flare ups and Miss Piggy is fitten to git angry..Trust me.This i know! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2009, 11:59:36 PM
Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  ::MonkeyEek:: If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....

I'll be heading out soon, but when I just posted, it didn't seem as though it would go through....I hit Back and it the post was there.   ::MonkeyEek:: 



Stackin,Stackin,Stackin...Wreck is a Stackin Cowboy! ::MonkeyDevil::

I stacked with ease!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 12:02:57 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57846.php

Google translation:

Aruba wants' corruption survey '

9 Jun, 2009, 19:23 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The government wants to establish a working party to the allegations in previous letters of Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) to the Dutch parliament to investigate. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP), this Monday a letter to the Secretary of State notified.

In the heated debate last week in the States, the MEP has a majority vote which it asks the Government to own investigation. During the visit of the Council of State at the end of May, the Vice President Herman Tjeenk Willink Aruba also advised that a joint committee to come, said Oduber. This must all points Bijleveld has expressed its concerns in order to eventually go the relationship between the two countries to recover. Oduber said Aruba now has nothing to hide and therefore initiated a working group has come. What people should exist and how and when the investigation will take place is unknown. The Prime Minister has said that the media Bijleveld now better on its own problems to concentrate, it appears that the Netherlands to the massive ballot fails and the hot breath of Wilders' haunts them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 12:11:45 AM
Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  ::MonkeyEek:: If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....

I'll be heading out soon, but when I just posted, it didn't seem as though it would go through....I hit Back and it the post was there.   ::MonkeyEek:: 



Stackin,Stackin,Stackin...Wreck is a Stackin Cowboy! ::MonkeyDevil::

I stacked with ease!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::
Stackmaster at your service.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 12:14:18 AM
Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  ::MonkeyEek:: If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....

I'll be heading out soon, but when I just posted, it didn't seem as though it would go through....I hit Back and it the post was there.   ::MonkeyEek:: 



Stackin,Stackin,Stackin...Wreck is a Stackin Cowboy! ::MonkeyDevil::

I stacked with ease!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::
Stackmaster at your service.... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Hi billb!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 12:15:50 AM
So what is being said? Dave has rolled/been rolled  over to the darkside by virtue of his relationships with mark purcell, ata/ahata/ persistence/john s/louis s. who seem to have gone along with the cover up?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 12:16:04 AM
BillB... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 12:16:37 AM
Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  ::MonkeyEek:: If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....

I'll be heading out soon, but when I just posted, it didn't seem as though it would go through....I hit Back and it the post was there.   ::MonkeyEek:: 



Stackin,Stackin,Stackin...Wreck is a Stackin Cowboy! ::MonkeyDevil::

I stacked with ease!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::
Stackmaster at your service.... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Hi billb!
Hi TM.....stacking rookies....... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 12:18:56 AM
So what is being said? Dave has rolled/been rolled  over to the darkside by virtue of his relationships with mark purcell, ata/ahata/ persistence/john s/louis s. who seem to have gone along with the cover up?  ::MonkeyEek::
Janet has been steadfast in her belief that Dave doesn't just get a pass......
I agree.....accountability is where it is at when it comes to Justice for Natalee.....That is why we're here...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 12:21:14 AM
So what is being said? Dave has rolled/been rolled  over to the darkside by virtue of his relationships with mark purcell, ata/ahata/ persistence/john s/louis s. who seem to have gone along with the cover up?  ::MonkeyEek::

I've been struggling with Dave Holloway myself BillB.As Tamikosmom has stated in regards to the forums.I have a diffucult time attempting to understand why the undermining/Bashing of Natalee,Beth,as well as Jug has not been downright admonished by Dave,Robin,and or the forums they've been associated with.Again,that is my own opinion!Any thoughts are welcome BillB..I could be wrong but thtas how i feel!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 12:47:40 AM
So what is being said? Dave has rolled/been rolled  over to the darkside by virtue of his relationships with mark purcell, ata/ahata/ persistence/john s/louis s. who seem to have gone along with the cover up?  ::MonkeyEek::

I've been struggling with Dave Holloway myself BillB.As Tamikosmom has stated in regards to the forums.I have a diffucult time attempting to understand why the undermining/Bashing of Natalee,Beth,as well as Jug has not been downright admonished by Dave,Robin,and or the forums they've been associated with.Again,that is my own opinion!Any thoughts are welcome BillB..I could be wrong but thtas how i feel!
Ktf...It is a tough one for me too...
My heart goes out to Dave, Robin, Beth, Jug and all of Natalee's family and friends....and I am in no way trying to imply I know better than Natalee's family and how they should act. but in my opinion, it is not taboo to question the actions or inaction's when it come to Justice for Natalee....and I do question why Dave has not put his foot down wrt to Beth, Jug, and Natalee bashing by the same people he and/or Robin embraces that are so tied to the aruba agenda.
If there is a bigger picture that Dave is following for obtaining Justice for Natalee....I just haven't figured it out. In the mean time....accountability demands questioning of motives/intentions.......
If we don't, aruba continues to get away with their role, jp2k goes free, and persistence gang get away with fraud in fund raising - at the least.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 12:50:52 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2009, 12:51:09 AM
So what is being said? Dave has rolled/been rolled  over to the darkside by virtue of his relationships with mark purcell, ata/ahata/ persistence/john s/louis s. who seem to have gone along with the cover up?  ::MonkeyEek::

I've been struggling with Dave Holloway myself BillB.As Tamikosmom has stated in regards to the forums.I have a diffucult time attempting to understand why the undermining/Bashing of Natalee,Beth,as well as Jug has not been downright admonished by Dave,Robin,and or the forums they've been associated with.Again,that is my own opinion!Any thoughts are welcome BillB..I could be wrong but thtas how i feel!
Ktf...It is a tough one for me too...
My heart goes out to Dave, Robin, Beth, Jug and all of Natalee's family and friends....and I am in no way trying to imply I know better than Natalee's family and how they should act. but in my opinion, it is not taboo to question the actions or inaction's when it come to Justice for Natalee....and I do question why Dave has not put his foot down wrt to Beth, Jug, and Natalee bashing by the same people he and/or Robin embraces that are so tied to the aruba agenda.
If there is a bigger picture that Dave is following for obtaining Justice for Natalee....I just haven't figured it out. In the mean time....accountability demands questioning of motives/intentions.......
If we don't, aruba continues to get away with their role, jp2k goes free, and persistence gang get away with fraud in fund raising - at the least.......

Well said!









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on June 10, 2009, 12:52:41 AM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

Hello to all.  I'm here every day too.  Like Magnolia I don't have much to say but I always will continue to hope for Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 12:58:39 AM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

Hello to all.  I'm here every day too.  Like Magnolia I don't have much to say but I always will continue to hope for Justice for Natalee.

Hi San!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on June 10, 2009, 01:03:09 AM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

Hello to all.  I'm here every day too.  Like Magnolia I don't have much to say but I always will continue to hope for Justice for Natalee.

Hi San!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi TM.

I need to get back to bed or I will be like a zombie in the morning.  I think work is overrated  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .  Have a good night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 01:06:26 AM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

Hello to all.  I'm here every day too.  Like Magnolia I don't have much to say but I always will continue to hope for Justice for Natalee.

Hi San!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi TM.

I need to get back to bed or I will be like a zombie in the morning.  I think work is overrated  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .  Have a good night.

Good night San!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 01:09:36 AM
So what is being said? Dave has rolled/been rolled  over to the darkside by virtue of his relationships with mark purcell, ata/ahata/ persistence/john s/louis s. who seem to have gone along with the cover up?  ::MonkeyEek::

I've been struggling with Dave Holloway myself BillB.As Tamikosmom has stated in regards to the forums.I have a diffucult time attempting to understand why the undermining/Bashing of Natalee,Beth,as well as Jug has not been downright admonished by Dave,Robin,and or the forums they've been associated with.Again,that is my own opinion!Any thoughts are welcome BillB..I could be wrong but thtas how i feel!
Ktf...It is a tough one for me too...
My heart goes out to Dave, Robin, Beth, Jug and all of Natalee's family and friends....and I am in no way trying to imply I know better than Natalee's family and how they should act. but in my opinion, it is not taboo to question the actions or inaction's when it come to Justice for Natalee....and I do question why Dave has not put his foot down wrt to Beth, Jug, and Natalee bashing by the same people he and/or Robin embraces that are so tied to the aruba agenda.
If there is a bigger picture that Dave is following for obtaining Justice for Natalee....I just haven't figured it out. In the mean time....accountability demands questioning of motives/intentions.......
If we don't, aruba continues to get away with their role, jp2k goes free, and persistence gang get away with fraud in fund raising - at the least.......

Well said!









Either have i BillB.. ::MonkeyWaa:: My head tells me there's not one but,my heart wants to belive there is!If that makes any sense?I truly am at a loss for words.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 01:10:47 AM
I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

Hello to all.  I'm here every day too.  Like Magnolia I don't have much to say but I always will continue to hope for Justice for Natalee.

Hi San!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi TM.

I need to get back to bed or I will be like a zombie in the morning.  I think work is overrated  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .  Have a good night.

Hello & GoodNight San..We can't have you being a Zombie.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 01:11:19 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.
TM...Thank you for your post. Considering the highlighted red above, I may be over reaching.....
Just because I follow the case on this forum, doesn't mean Dave has my same perspective.....I do want to see Dave lead the way, so to speak, and gain Justice for Natalee...
But that is my issue that I can't realistically make it Dave's shortcoming....
I don't want to throw him under the bus either......
I will be here as long as necessary to see Justice for Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 01:11:42 AM
Something tells me the bolded was what this meeting was all about.  To shut Michael Williams up.  JMO  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57840.php

Aruba

Call PG and Williams: "The air is cleared"

9 Jun, 2009, 19:14 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - "The air is cleared." That defines the Public Prosecution (OM) the conversation between Attorney-General (PG) Rob Pietersz and Michael Williams last Friday. It also showed Williams' satisfied 'with the call. Further steps during the interview, according to the OM 'went very well, not discussed.

The PG has made clear that if Williams can be allegations hard to prove, he must declare it. Until this happens, he better stop allegations through the media out of the office. The prosecutor in question has the right to Williams to sue for libel.

Pietersz Williams had invited for a personal interview following a complaint letter from Williams on Prosecutor Kasper van der Schaft. Williams accused Van der Schaft in his letter of drug use and manipulation. The OM was the criticism of Williams.

Attorney General
Due to the expiry of his contract, leaving Van der Schaft, in November as a prosecutor. It is not yet known which Van der Schaft will be replaced. The DA wants the big holiday use to search for a replacement. Besides Van der Schaft also the principal officer Hans Mos soon. His replacement for the already known. It is expected that the Attorney General in a very short time the name public. At the same time for the name of the new Advocate-General reveal. Pietersz, the new appointments already last Friday publication. The delay has to do with it for a few formalities.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 01:20:21 AM
I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??
WE NEED SOME POSITIVE NEWS!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 01:21:39 AM
Interesting considering last night's discussion!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57841.php

Aruba

Minister Wever remains kieslijst MEP

9 Jun, 2009, 19:15 (GMT -04:00)

   
ORANGE CITY - In a response to an article in Diario ochtendblad confirms Minister of Health, Administrative and Immigration and the Environment Candelario 'Booshi "Wever (MEP) this year to do about the elections. The ochtendblad placed an article yesterday which said that party leader Nelson Oduber recruiting new candidates with the information that Minister Wever no longer on the list returned. In a press release sent on the same day late Wever know the far-fetched to believe that Nelson Oduber this argument would use for new candidates for the kieslijst to recruit. "Do Diario Nel maybe not candidates for his list? Diario If Nel had called just once then he can say to them that Booshi simply state, "said the press release of the Minister.

New candidates
It is known that Ramon Lee and Rudy Croes no longer available for return to the kieslijst of MEP. Partly for these reasons, the working party Nelson Oduber renew kieslijst. Meanwhile, two new candidates made their appearance, lawyer Evelyn Wever-Croes and Francis Jacobs, press coordinator of ATA. On June 17th Dr Michael Kelly presents his candidacy and it talks about a possible candidacy of lawyer David Kock.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 01:23:59 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57794.php

Aruba

Alleged pedo release

8 Jun, 2009, 16:45 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - A suspected pedophile is last week by the judge to release stated. He should further conduct of the trial against him at liberty to spend.

The man is suspected in the period from August 2003 to December 2007 OBSCENE to have committed acts with two girls. It would also have been penetration. Moreover, the man suspected in November 2008 a 4-year-old child to have abused.  

According to David Kock, lawyer of the accused, the evidence against his client is very thin. He points to include witness statements that contradict one another. To provide more clarity to the court wanted to hear abused girls. The prosecutor did agree to this request on condition that the conversation between the judge and the children in a separate room without the accused are present. In anticipation of the statements of victims, the court to postpone the trial.

The lawyer responded to the request for the detention of his client off. He stressed again the meager evidence and the fact that the accused has since his arrest in February 2009 stuck. The Court decided this agreement and the alleged pedophile pending further progress of the case released.



David Kock....   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know, and IIRC he has small children!  Makes me sick!  How "thin" would the evidence be if one of his little ones told him that perv had done something to them?

Does anyone stand up and protect the children in Aruba?  The more I read, I really don't think so!
Just like this case....all we've heard about is the accused!  Who represented the victims in that court room?  I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that all these victims are just making the stories up!  Who cares if that pervert has spent three months in jail!  Somebody needs to get with the program and interview the victims!

 :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

The two girls were over a FOUR YEAR period of time!  And then a FOUR YEAR OLD!
WHO IS THIS GUY A RELATIVE OF?

WHERE'S ROBOTS?  I need him!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 
This is EXACTLY what is WRONG with the culture on aruba!
Sick POS defending Sick POS!
They feel they are entitled......Woman and children are third class citizens there only for the pleasure of the empowered men...kock would defend a sicko even over the well being of his own children just to show the entitled class that he is one of them....
I know it doesn't sound right as I type it,,,,,but i truly believe they put their good old boys club above everything else....
and the good old boys club honor them when they do....SICKOS one and all...
I HATE THEM ALL.......(Thanks Robots)..we miss you!

bump


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 01:30:29 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys...
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 01:32:22 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys...
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee!

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 01:33:19 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys...
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee!

GoodNight BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 01:40:01 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.
TM...Thank you for your post. Considering the highlighted red above, I may be over reaching.....
Just because I follow the case on this forum, doesn't mean Dave has my same perspective.....I do want to see Dave lead the way, so to speak, and gain Justice for Natalee...
But that is my issue that I can't realistically make it Dave's shortcoming....
I don't want to throw him under the bus either......
I will be here as long as necessary to see Justice for Natalee....

billb, that was just my opinion from what I know; others may know more.  I agree with you in that I would love to see Dave "lead the way" in gaining Justice for Natalee.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 01:49:35 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 01:57:25 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.
TM...Thank you for your post. Considering the highlighted red above, I may be over reaching.....
Just because I follow the case on this forum, doesn't mean Dave has my same perspective.....I do want to see Dave lead the way, so to speak, and gain Justice for Natalee...
But that is my issue that I can't realistically make it Dave's shortcoming....
I don't want to throw him under the bus either......
I will be here as long as necessary to see Justice for Natalee....

billb, that was just my opinion from what I know; others may know more.  I agree with you in that I would love to see Dave "lead the way" in gaining Justice for Natalee.   
TM...your opinion is golden with me... ::MonkeyAngel::
Opinions do matter and that is probably the glue the keeps us all here!
the speckling of facts are sometimes slow in coming....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 01:59:30 AM
Good Night again, my Monkey friends..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:00:30 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:00:37 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

Nick Montana verbally commits to the University of Washington.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:06:57 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.
TM...Thank you for your post. Considering the highlighted red above, I may be over reaching.....
Just because I follow the case on this forum, doesn't mean Dave has my same perspective.....I do want to see Dave lead the way, so to speak, and gain Justice for Natalee...
But that is my issue that I can't realistically make it Dave's shortcoming....
I don't want to throw him under the bus either......
I will be here as long as necessary to see Justice for Natalee....

billb, that was just my opinion from what I know; others may know more.  I agree with you in that I would love to see Dave "lead the way" in gaining Justice for Natalee.   
TM...your opinion is golden with me... ::MonkeyAngel::
Opinions do matter and that is probably the glue the keeps us all here!
the speckling of facts are sometimes slow in coming....

 ::MonkeyDance:: I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:07:37 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.
TM...Thank you for your post. Considering the highlighted red above, I may be over reaching.....
Just because I follow the case on this forum, doesn't mean Dave has my same perspective.....I do want to see Dave lead the way, so to speak, and gain Justice for Natalee...
But that is my issue that I can't realistically make it Dave's shortcoming....
I don't want to throw him under the bus either......
I will be here as long as necessary to see Justice for Natalee....

billb, that was just my opinion from what I know; others may know more.  I agree with you in that I would love to see Dave "lead the way" in gaining Justice for Natalee.   
TM...your opinion is golden with me... ::MonkeyAngel::
Opinions do matter and that is probably the glue the keeps us all here!
the speckling of facts are sometimes slow in coming....

Thanks billb, your opinion is golden with me too.   ::MonkeyAngel::

And even if we all agree to disagree on some things, we all want the same thing...JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

So we've got to keep sticking together, and keep our eye on the utimate goal!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:08:25 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

Nick Montana verbally commits to the University of Washington.....
I lived in the bay area from 71 to 93.....Joe was my hero with the 49ers in the 80's..class act...
if Nick is a chip off the old block...UW has something there....
I hated when bill walsh pushed him out for young......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:08:48 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:10:27 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.
TM...Thank you for your post. Considering the highlighted red above, I may be over reaching.....
Just because I follow the case on this forum, doesn't mean Dave has my same perspective.....I do want to see Dave lead the way, so to speak, and gain Justice for Natalee...
But that is my issue that I can't realistically make it Dave's shortcoming....
I don't want to throw him under the bus either......
I will be here as long as necessary to see Justice for Natalee....

billb, that was just my opinion from what I know; others may know more.  I agree with you in that I would love to see Dave "lead the way" in gaining Justice for Natalee.   
TM...your opinion is golden with me... ::MonkeyAngel::
Opinions do matter and that is probably the glue the keeps us all here!
the speckling of facts are sometimes slow in coming....

Thanks billb, your opinion is golden with me too.   ::MonkeyAngel::

And even if we all agree to disagree on some things, we all want the same thing...JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

So we've got to keep sticking together, and keep our eye on the utimate goal!
Amen TM.....see how easy the stacker comes out with me.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:12:25 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:12:38 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

Nick Montana verbally commits to the University of Washington.....
I lived in the bay area from 71 to 93.....Joe was my hero with the 49ers in the 80's..class act...
if Nick is a chip off the old block...UW has something there....
I hated when bill walsh pushed him out for young......

Posted links to a couple articles in the Sports thread.Would think you'd have a few in L.A. Plays for Oaks Christian in Westlake Village...Back to Justice for Natalee Holloway..God Bless your heart 2nj...Dealing with us stackaholic's isn't easy...
::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:14:40 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

Nick Montana verbally commits to the University of Washington.....
I lived in the bay area from 71 to 93.....Joe was my hero with the 49ers in the 80's..class act...
if Nick is a chip off the old block...UW has something there....
I hated when bill walsh pushed him out for young......

Posted links to a couple articles in the Sports thread.Would think you'd have a few in L.A. Plays for Oaks Christian in Westlake Village...Back to Justice for Natalee Holloway..God Bless your heart 2nj...Dealing with us stackaholic's isn't easy...
::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

4 pages to go.......KTF is funnnnnyyyyy!Stackin,stackin,stackin.Billb & TM are ready for Stackin....

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:15:22 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.
TM...Thank you for your post. Considering the highlighted red above, I may be over reaching.....
Just because I follow the case on this forum, doesn't mean Dave has my same perspective.....I do want to see Dave lead the way, so to speak, and gain Justice for Natalee...
But that is my issue that I can't realistically make it Dave's shortcoming....
I don't want to throw him under the bus either......
I will be here as long as necessary to see Justice for Natalee....

billb, that was just my opinion from what I know; others may know more.  I agree with you in that I would love to see Dave "lead the way" in gaining Justice for Natalee.   
TM...your opinion is golden with me... ::MonkeyAngel::
Opinions do matter and that is probably the glue the keeps us all here!
the speckling of facts are sometimes slow in coming....

 ::MonkeyDance:: I agree.

Thanks KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Your opinion is golden to me too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:17:26 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.
TM...Thank you for your post. Considering the highlighted red above, I may be over reaching.....
Just because I follow the case on this forum, doesn't mean Dave has my same perspective.....I do want to see Dave lead the way, so to speak, and gain Justice for Natalee...
But that is my issue that I can't realistically make it Dave's shortcoming....
I don't want to throw him under the bus either......
I will be here as long as necessary to see Justice for Natalee....

billb, that was just my opinion from what I know; others may know more.  I agree with you in that I would love to see Dave "lead the way" in gaining Justice for Natalee.   
TM...your opinion is golden with me... ::MonkeyAngel::
Opinions do matter and that is probably the glue the keeps us all here!
the speckling of facts are sometimes slow in coming....

Thanks billb, your opinion is golden with me too.   ::MonkeyAngel::

And even if we all agree to disagree on some things, we all want the same thing...JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

So we've got to keep sticking together, and keep our eye on the utimate goal!
Amen TM.....see how easy the stacker comes out with me.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I learned from the masterstacker!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:18:28 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:20:16 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Link please!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:21:06 AM
We are legends in our own minds!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
2nj_sons......my humble apologies...for Ktf........I can't seem to control his fits of sports rambling....
I'm completely innocent.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I'll report it straight away if it occurs again... ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks for putting up with us though... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:24:33 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:24:58 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:27:18 AM
twice....although I never overstate.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:27:36 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think I may have it too!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Or are you just trying to make me think I do....BILLB!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:29:29 AM
We are legends in our own minds!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
2nj_sons......my humble apologies...for Ktf........I can't seem to control his fits of sports rambling....
I'm completely innocent.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I'll report it straight away if it occurs again... ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks for putting up with us though... ::MonkeyAngel::

Now dat Sh_t is too Funny BillB..2nj is an Angel ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:31:02 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think I may have it too!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Or are you just trying to make me think I do....BILLB!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Is it just me or is there,like,40 monkey's laughing and looking at me in this post?Please tell me i haven't lost it..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:31:50 AM
I'm calling it a night, I'll be the zombie tomorrow instead of San!   ::MonkeyWink::

It's been fun guys, hope 2NJ will not be too upset with us having a little fun.

She knows our hearts are in the right place!   ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:32:16 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think I may have it too!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Or are you just trying to make me think I do....BILLB!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Is it just me or is there,like,40 monkey's laughing and looking at me in this post?Please tell me i haven't lost it..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

OK..i exxagerated a bit..I think it's like 22 including these.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:32:52 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think I may have it too!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Or are you just trying to make me think I do....BILLB!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Is it just me or is there,like,40 monkey's laughing and looking at me in this post?Please tell me i haven't lost it..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

ummmm, I think you're right!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:33:21 AM
I'm calling it a night, I'll be the zombie tomorrow instead of San!   ::MonkeyWink::

It's been fun guys, hope 2NJ will not be too upset with us having a little fun.

She knows our hearts are in the right place!   ::MonkeyAngel::





2nj would have gotten in at least one Stack...You wait.If the Yankees are in the World Series.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:34:05 AM
I'm calling it a night, I'll be the zombie tomorrow instead of San!   ::MonkeyWink::

It's been fun guys, hope 2NJ will not be too upset with us having a little fun.

She knows our hearts are in the right place!   ::MonkeyAngel::





GoodNight TM.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:34:20 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think I may have it too!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Or are you just trying to make me think I do....BILLB!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Is it just me or is there,like,40 monkey's laughing and looking at me in this post?Please tell me i haven't lost it..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

OK..i exxagerated a bit..I think it's like 22 including these.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

And I didn't actually count, but there are a LOT of them!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:35:13 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 02:36:33 AM


Good night billb and Keepthefaith!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:39:45 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think I may have it too!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Or are you just trying to make me think I do....BILLB!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Is it just me or is there,like,40 monkey's laughing and looking at me in this post?Please tell me i haven't lost it..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

OK..i exxagerated a bit..I think it's like 22 including these.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

And I didn't actually count, but there are a LOT of them!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Good Night TM & Ktf.....
We got our stack groove back...just like riding a bike.... ::MonkeyCool::
Agree full heartedly...2NJ_SONS is an  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:42:33 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

You're soooooo bad billb!   ::MonkeyDevil::

However, this was on the front page of Aruba Today!   ::MonkeyWink::

BillB..Aruba watching the Finals with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
The good arubans are always welcomed in Southern California...I have room for both of them..... ::MonkeyWink::

There are two?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Maybe not...I've been diagnosed with double vision! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think I may have it too!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Or are you just trying to make me think I do....BILLB!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Is it just me or is there,like,40 monkey's laughing and looking at me in this post?Please tell me i haven't lost it..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

OK..i exxagerated a bit..I think it's like 22 including these.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

And I didn't actually count, but there are a LOT of them!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Good Night TM & Ktf.....
We got our stack groove back...just like riding a bike.... ::MonkeyCool::
Agree full heartedly...2NJ_SONS is an  ::MonkeyAngel::

Goodnight BillB...2nj will arise to a warm cup of Coffee and a smile! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:43:00 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:43:47 AM


Good night billb and Keepthefaith!   ::MonkeyAngel::


To all a goodnight!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 10, 2009, 02:58:45 AM

got ahead of myself posting...Agree full heartedly...2NJ_SONS.

i know better and no excuses (laziness on my part)  2NJSONS_MOM..you are an  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2009, 08:26:36 AM
Ktf...lakers played hard...almost pulled it off....that had to scare magic at home... ::MonkeyCool::
lakers in 6..... ::MonkeyCool::

Nick Montana verbally commits to the University of Washington.....
Hannah's Brother??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
Thank you all for your input regarding my concerns regarding Dave Holloway's relationship with those who are one with the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing from the getgo.

Food for Thought

Considering his extensive background knowledge regarding the dynamics encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation into the disappearance of his daughter ... why did Dave Holloway not determine for himself that this huge undertaking that was intended to bring closure was all for naught if there was no assurance in place that an FBI presence would be permitted on board to observe a chain of custody of any discovery that might be case related?

Natalee Holloway's uncle was shocked that no protocol regarding a chain of custody had been established.  Monkeys were shocked that no protocol regarding a chain of custody  had been established.

Janet

++++++++

DAVE HOLLOWAY - SUSPICIOUS FROM THE GETGO

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 9/10: Jacobs also told us that the day before we arrived, he had interviewed the boys who eventually became the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, and his brother Satish. Beth had informed him of them after receiving information about videotapes taken from the security cameras outside of the Holiday Inn and in the hotel's casino. It had been determined that they were the last people to be seen with her.

Jacobs considered the boys' statements to be consistent in that they had all said that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel.  However, I did not realize at the time that Beth had already told him that the tapes did not show Natalee returning to the Holiday Inn that night.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/Story?id=1819038&page=1


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE - THE GAME WAS FIXED

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 10, 2009, 10:46:19 AM
Thank you all for your input regarding my concerns regarding Dave Holloway's relationship with those who are one with the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing from the getgo.

Food for Thought

Considering his extensive background knowledge regarding the dynamics encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation into the disappearance of his daughter ... why did Dave Holloway not determine for himself that this huge undertaking that was intended to bring closure was all for naught if there was no assurance in place that an FBI presence would be permitted on board to observe a chain of custody of any discovery that might be case related?snip

Janet - I would have to say it was because he had faith in Tim Miller to ensure the right thing was done.

He couldn't possibly have known that Tim would be booted from the boat by Silvetti at the crucial time.

I would hope that Dave had discussed with Silvetti and/or Schaefer prior to Persistence leaving the US his thoughts on an FBI present aboard the ship.

If he did, I have to presume he was fed some song and dance by Silvetti/Schaefer about Aruba not letting them dock if such a person was aboard..............and so Dave had to rely on his faith in Tim Miller.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 10:50:15 AM
I don't give Dave a pass, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus either.  His trusting the wrong people could have very well furthered the Aruban agenda of divide and conquer when it comes to Natalee's family.  As far as I'm aware of Dave doesn't spend a lot of time in the forums.  The last I know of Robin was not posting at BNH anymore.  I'd hoped that when she stopped posting there that it was because she (or together with Dave) had realized what those people were all about.  I really don't know.  I do not believe that Dave would have intentionally done ANYTHING that would have disrupted the investigation, or gone along with anything that would have prevented Natalee being found or brought home.  All indications I have are that Dave fully trusted and believed that the Persistence mission was to finally bring Natalee home where she belongs; and any revelations that this is not so must be devastating for him.  I also don't believe a damn thing that Charlierat says about anything.  Throw bananas at will, that's just my opinion.

I don't either texasmom.

My point was that those from the forums (RU/BNH) who despicably undermine Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation are the same who uphold Dave Holloway.

texasmom ... why do you believe that Dave Holloway would get a pass from these trolls with an Aruban agenda?

Charlierat claims that Beth's LOVING NATALEE is 90% fiction because she exposes what she perceives to be a corrupt Aruban investigation ... an exposure that has the potential of affecting the Aruban tourist industry which these troll are attempting to protect.

However ... Dave 's CORRUPTION IN PARADISE which was released in 2006 ... prior to his Mark Purcell connection ... exposes what he perceives to be a corrupt Aruban investigation and ... in my debate with him on the Lifeline forum ... Charlierat attempts to distance Dave's words by implying Dave never actually authored his book ... Larry Garrison did.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 11:20:55 AM
Thank you all for your input regarding my concerns regarding Dave Holloway's relationship with those who are one with the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing from the getgo.

Food for Thought

Considering his extensive background knowledge regarding the dynamics encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation into the disappearance of his daughter ... why did Dave Holloway not determine for himself that this huge undertaking that was intended to bring closure was all for naught if there was no assurance in place that an FBI presence would be permitted on board to observe a chain of custody of any discovery that might be case related?snip

Janet - I would have to say it was because he had faith in Tim Miller to ensure the right thing was done.

He couldn't possibly have known that Tim would be booted from the boat by Silvetti at the crucial time.

I would hope that Dave had discussed with Silvetti and/or Schaefer prior to Persistence leaving the US his thoughts on an FBI present aboard the ship.

If he did, I have to presume he was fed some song and dance by Silvetti/Schaefer about Aruba not letting them dock if such a person was aboard..............and so Dave had to rely on his faith in Tim Miller.

Jen

You know in your heart that you and I would have anticipated the negative outcome of the Persistence endeavor if a protocol to assure an FBI presence was not in place.  You and I  would not have endorsed this huge undertaking nor would we have solicited donations for the cause.  You and I would not have gone along and ... just hoped for the best.

The question that I am in the process of researching is ... "When you consider their extensive background knowledge of the corrupt Aruban investigation ... were there underlying motivations that that Dave Holloway and/or Tim Miller ... two men who truly desire justice for Natalee ... went along with this huge expensive endeavor?"

Beth Holloway deserves answers.  Natalee Holloway deserves answers.  Those who prayfully and financially supported the Persistence undertaking deserves answers.

Kyle Kingman's concedes that he had an underlying motive to "hope for the best".  John Silvetti was underwriting his expenses.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Blonde on June 10, 2009, 11:21:02 AM
IMO only Dave have faith and believed that it was enough.
Dave is  much different then Beth.
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 10, 2009, 11:38:11 AM


Jen

You know in your heart that you and I would have anticipated the negative outcome of the Persistence endeavor if a protocol to assure an FBI presence was not in place.  You and I  would not have endorsed this huge undertaking nor would we have solicited donations for the cause.  You and I would not have gone along and ... just hoped for the best.

The question that I am in the process of researching is ... "When you consider their extensive background knowledge of the corrupt Aruban investigation ... were there underlying motivations that that Dave Holloway and/or Tim Miller ... two men who truly desire justice for Natalee ... went along with this huge expensive endeavor?"

Beth Holloway deserves answers.  Natalee Holloway deserves answers.  Those who prayfully and financially supported the Persistence undertaking deserves answers.

Kyle Kingman's concedes that he had an underlying motive to "hope for the best".  John Silvetti was underwriting his expenses.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



You couldn't be more right Janet.  I DID know in my heart that if FBI wasn't on board, things would go South.  That's why that was the first question I asked Kyle after he emailed us = "what protocol is in place for if/when you find Natalee?"

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

And you're right again - neither you nor I would have endorsed, nor held out hope for a positive outcome of this search without an FBI presence.

But like Blonde pointed out, Dave is built of different stuff than you or I are.  Different stuff than Beth is.

Dave just had faith.  That's all he had. That faith was in Tim Miller and God.

Not the greatest of plans, I'll admit - but that was all the man had, unfortunately.  I liken that poor situation to Dave's need to have that pond searched.

The poor man has been torn in too many different directions, all with negative results by people with other agendas........and that has got to cause more grief than I can even fathom.

Janet - you know I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, so it is very hard for me to understand how a person (Dave) could rely on faith alone when such a monumental task was at hand.

But I cannot fault him for that, because that's who he is.

LEAK = "Jug knew the Persistence's main purpose was oil related"

I have to wonder if Dave was also made aware of that?  It would seem not, since he arranged a meeting with AHATA for Silvetti to get a large donation to continue the search.

Had Dave known what Jug supposedly knew - it's unlikely that he would have fallen for their bullsh*t "We need more money" pleadings.

Had Dave known what Jug supposedly knew - maybe he would have approached this whole "search" with a different frame of mind.

Edit:   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 10, 2009, 11:46:35 AM
sorry 2NJ!  :oops:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 11:46:58 AM
After the Pond Hoax and,the evidence of who was involved,it becomes more difficult for me to understand what the purpose of dealing with these people is?I could be wrong and Dave has a plan.I don't know! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 10, 2009, 11:50:27 AM
After the Pond Hoax and,the evidence of who was involved,it becomes more difficult for me to understand what the purpose of dealing with these people is?I could be wrong and Dave has a plan.I don't know! ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know either if he has a plan.

Or is it just Dave's character?  To look for the best in people?  To expect good intentions from all?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 10, 2009, 11:55:08 AM
After the Pond Hoax and,the evidence of who was involved,it becomes more difficult for me to understand what the purpose of dealing with these people is?I could be wrong and Dave has a plan.I don't know! ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know either if he has a plan.

Or is it just Dave's character?  To look for the best in people?  To expect good intentions from all?

I was wondering the same......I would think anything done would be under advisement, but then, I don't really know.   Dave always seemed to put his trust in a higher power and thus expect the best in people, their intentions and an outcome.    We really don't know what his thoughts are about the pond, do we?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 10, 2009, 11:55:32 AM
Janet - if I'm understanding where your mind is tentatively heading with Dave.............

A good avenue to investigate would be the foundation/trust/charity that he set up.

The one BFN Debbie is on the board of directors for.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 10, 2009, 11:57:05 AM
After the Pond Hoax and,the evidence of who was involved,it becomes more difficult for me to understand what the purpose of dealing with these people is?I could be wrong and Dave has a plan.I don't know! ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know either if he has a plan.

Or is it just Dave's character?  To look for the best in people?  To expect good intentions from all?

I was wondering the same......I would think anything done would be under advisement, but then, I don't really know.   Dave always seemed to put his trust in a higher power and thus expect the best in people, their intentions and an outcome.    We really don't know what his thoughts are about the pond, do we?

I remember reading that he felt he HAD to search it, that he didn't know of a reason for why this "tipster" would lie to him.  That he didn't hold out much hope for it - but that he would forever beat himself up if he hadn't had it searched.

Those aren't his exact words, but that was the gist of it, IIRC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 10, 2009, 12:01:13 PM
After the Pond Hoax and,the evidence of who was involved,it becomes more difficult for me to understand what the purpose of dealing with these people is?I could be wrong and Dave has a plan.I don't know! ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know either if he has a plan.

Or is it just Dave's character?  To look for the best in people?  To expect good intentions from all?

I was wondering the same......I would think anything done would be under advisement, but then, I don't really know.   Dave always seemed to put his trust in a higher power and thus expect the best in people, their intentions and an outcome.    We really don't know what his thoughts are about the pond, do we?

I remember reading that he felt he HAD to search it, that he didn't know of a reason for why this "tipster" would lie to him.  That he didn't hold out much hope for it - but that he would forever beat himself up if he hadn't had it searched.

Those aren't his exact words, but that was the gist of it, IIRC.

Yes, I recall reading such......I was thinking now, rather than earlier.  (if that makes any sense.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 10, 2009, 12:12:16 PM
I have tried a thousand times to figure what on earth Dave and Robin are doing.

The conclusion that I have drawn is that it is Robin who wants to conspire with
the likes of Mark Purcell and Julia Renfro and call them her friends.  I think the
common thread is that they all dislike Beth.  Robin might think that she may
garner some information from these people, but shse should have learned by now.

Dave, I think, just doesn't want to rock the boat.  He has two children with
Robin and I think he goes along to keep peace with her.  I think that Dave
loves his children.
That mess with Caps should have opened his eyes. And to discover that
Mark Purcell was part of the Caps diversion campaign should have been
a rude awakening for him.  But who knows what is in somebody else's heart?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 12:13:04 PM


Jen

You know in your heart that you and I would have anticipated the negative outcome of the Persistence endeavor if a protocol to assure an FBI presence was not in place.  You and I  would not have endorsed this huge undertaking nor would we have solicited donations for the cause.  You and I would not have gone along and ... just hoped for the best.

The question that I am in the process of researching is ... "When you consider their extensive background knowledge of the corrupt Aruban investigation ... were there underlying motivations that that Dave Holloway and/or Tim Miller ... two men who truly desire justice for Natalee ... went along with this huge expensive endeavor?"

Beth Holloway deserves answers.  Natalee Holloway deserves answers.  Those who prayfully and financially supported the Persistence undertaking deserves answers.

Kyle Kingman's concedes that he had an underlying motive to "hope for the best".  John Silvetti was underwriting his expenses.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



You couldn't be more right Janet.  I DID know in my heart that if FBI wasn't on board, things would go South.  That's why that was the first question I asked Kyle after he emailed us = "what protocol is in place for if/when you find Natalee?"

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

And you're right again - neither you nor I would have endorsed, nor held out hope for a positive outcome of this search without an FBI presence.

But like Blonde pointed out, Dave is built of different stuff than you or I are.  Different stuff than Beth is.

Dave just had faith.  That's all he had. That faith was in Tim Miller and God.

Not the greatest of plans, I'll admit - but that was all the man had, unfortunately.  I liken that poor situation to Dave's need to have that pond searched.

The poor man has been torn in too many different directions, all with negative results by people with other agendas........and that has got to cause more grief than I can even fathom.

Janet - you know I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, so it is very hard for me to understand how a person (Dave) could rely on faith alone when such a monumental task was at hand.

But I cannot fault him for that, because that's who he is.

LEAK = "Jug knew the Persistence's main purpose was oil related"

I have to wonder if Dave was also made aware of that?  It would seem not, since he arranged a meeting with AHATA for Silvetti to get a large donation to continue the search.

Had Dave known what Jug supposedly knew - it's unlikely that he would have fallen for their bullsh*t "We need more money" pleadings.

Had Dave known what Jug supposedly knew - maybe he would have approached this whole "search" with a different frame of mind.

Edit:   ::MonkeyWink::


Faith does not imply that common sense based on knowledge is not applied to situations on a daily basis to determine if certain actions will or will not produce positive outcomes.

Considering there was not a protocol established in regards to an FBI presence on board the Persistence ... Tim Miller and Dave Holloway's common sense based on past experiences  should have determined that a negative outcome was a given if the enemy were afforded unchallenged possession of anything discovered that may be case related.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day  and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


On the Record w / Greta - November 1, 2005

TIM MILLER: We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and hes done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January 13, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in thein October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And thats when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 10, 2009, 12:16:05 PM
... Parliament on Tuesday also rejected another motion from Brinkman which called for an investigation by Dutch detectives (Rijksrecherche) into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in May 2005. Brinkman wants the detectives to particularly look at the first ten days of the disappearance of the young American woman.

Bijleveld-Schouten pointed out during last weeks meeting in Parliament that Dutch detectives didnt have the authority to investigate on Aruba. She explained that the federal detectives (Landsrecherche) were already carrying out an investigation. Only the PVV supported Brinkmans motion. ....

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m020/brinkm020.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 12:18:59 PM
Janet - if I'm understanding where your mind is tentatively heading with Dave.............

A good avenue to investigate would be the foundation/trust/charity that he set up.

The one BFN Debbie is on the board of directors for.



Thanks.

This foundation topic is on my research list but have not touched it yet as my DIL has determined that financial records are not necessarily forthcoming upon request but ... for now I am going in another direction ... a direction the encompasses the Persistence undertaking.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 12:24:21 PM
After the Pond Hoax and,the evidence of who was involved,it becomes more difficult for me to understand what the purpose of dealing with these people is?I could be wrong and Dave has a plan.I don't know! ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know either if he has a plan.

Or is it just Dave's character?  To look for the best in people?  To expect good intentions from all?

I was wondering the same......I would think anything done would be under advisement, but then, I don't really know.   Dave always seemed to put his trust in a higher power and thus expect the best in people, their intentions and an outcome.    We really don't know what his thoughts are about the pond, do we?

No we don't 2nj.I pray that it made him take pause and contemplate whom Robin,and or himself are choosing to deal with.Then again,maybe he has.As i'm just someone on a forum,all i can go on is what i read,as well as what is backed up with a solid foundation!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 10, 2009, 12:53:52 PM
After the Pond Hoax and,the evidence of who was involved,it becomes more difficult for me to understand what the purpose of dealing with these people is?I could be wrong and Dave has a plan.I don't know! ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know either if he has a plan.

Or is it just Dave's character?  To look for the best in people?  To expect good intentions from all?

I was wondering the same......I would think anything done would be under advisement, but then, I don't really know.   Dave always seemed to put his trust in a higher power and thus expect the best in people, their intentions and an outcome.    We really don't know what his thoughts are about the pond, do we?

I remember reading that he felt he HAD to search it, that he didn't know of a reason for why this "tipster" would lie to him.  That he didn't hold out much hope for it - but that he would forever beat himself up if he hadn't had it searched.

Those aren't his exact words, but that was the gist of it, IIRC.

Yes, I recall reading such......I was thinking now, rather than earlier.  (if that makes any sense.)

Ah!  gotcha.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 10, 2009, 12:55:38 PM
... Parliament on Tuesday also rejected another motion from Brinkman which called for an investigation by Dutch detectives (Rijksrecherche) into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in May 2005. Brinkman wants the detectives to particularly look at the first ten days of the disappearance of the young American woman.

Bijleveld-Schouten pointed out during last weeks meeting in Parliament that Dutch detectives didnt have the authority to investigate on Aruba. She explained that the federal detectives (Landsrecherche) were already carrying out an investigation. Only the PVV supported Brinkmans motion. ....

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m020/brinkm020.html

Thanks Buckeye.

Sad, but not surprising I guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
... Parliament on Tuesday also rejected another motion from Brinkman which called for an investigation by Dutch detectives (Rijksrecherche) into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in May 2005. Brinkman wants the detectives to particularly look at the first ten days of the disappearance of the young American woman.

Bijleveld-Schouten pointed out during last weeks meeting in Parliament that Dutch detectives didnt have the authority to investigate on Aruba. She explained that the federal detectives (Landsrecherche) were already carrying out an investigation. Only the PVV supported Brinkmans motion. ....

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m020/brinkm020.html

Thanks Buckeye.

Sad, but not surprising I guess.

Not at all!Those politicians know exactly what Dirty Lil Aruba is all about..My moneys on Paulus VDS setting up many accounts for many politicians..Whatta ya Bet???? ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 10, 2009, 01:09:14 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 01:22:24 PM
I have no problem ... in the process of elimination ... the personal following up of tips by Dave Holloway.  However ... decernment is crucial when agendas that are meant to divert from the truth are taken into consideration.

When ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... John Silvetti was afforded unchallenged possession of the contents of the trap to the enemy ... the Aruban coverup agenda was furthered.

Dave Holloway's indepth knowledge regarding the dynamics encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation implies that he was a participant in furthering the Aruban agenda when he endorsed an undertaking that involved only the enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing for his daughter from the getgo.

It is beyond comprehensible.  Justice for his daughter and bringing her home to rest on American soil should have been Dave's only objectives.  Diverting/compromising even a little bit from these objectives ... for whatever reason ... is not acceptable.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 01:32:58 PM
Wow...We had 10guests there for a minute and they all disappeared...Where'd they all go?BastiBro??Any ideas?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 10, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
Wow...We had 10guests there for a minute and they all disappeared...Where'd they all go?BastiBro??Any ideas?

Dinner in NL, Lunch in US (ET, CT).......just a guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 01:51:03 PM
Wow...We had 10guests there for a minute and they all disappeared...Where'd they all go?BastiBro??Any ideas?

Dinner in NL, Lunch in US (ET, CT).......just a guess.

Bastibro is having dinner with 10guests??  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 10, 2009, 01:58:24 PM
Wow...We had 10guests there for a minute and they all disappeared...Where'd they all go?BastiBro??Any ideas?

Dinner in NL, Lunch in US (ET, CT).......just a guess.

Bastibro is having dinner with 10guests??  ::MonkeyDevil::

Maybe a web meeting with a sandwich on the side.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Some of the guests are monkeys who read and have nothing to say at the moment, too. 

We've been through quiet times like this before.  With any luck something will kick everything back into gear.....or hit a nerve....that works, too.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:01:44 PM
Wow...We had 10guests there for a minute and they all disappeared...Where'd they all go?BastiBro??Any ideas?

Dinner in NL, Lunch in US (ET, CT).......just a guess.

Bastibro is having dinner with 10guests??  ::MonkeyDevil::

Maybe a web meeting with a sandwich on the side.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Some of the guests are monkeys who read and have nothing to say at the moment, too. 

We've been through quiet times like this before.  With any luck something will kick everything back into gear.....or hit a nerve....that works, too.    ::MonkeyCool::

I do apologize 2nj.I shouldn't generalize like that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 02:05:17 PM
I do find this interesting because we know Paulus & Son luv to play poker.Online poker too..Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Wonder why?

In a letter dated Friday and faxed to Alliance Bank, the prosecutor said accounts held by payment processor Allied Systems Inc. are subject to seizure and forfeiture "because they constitute property involved in money laundering transactions and illegal gambling offenses." The letter was signed by Arlo Devlin-Brown, assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uspoker0610,0,5993995.story



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 10, 2009, 02:05:24 PM
Where's Joran?   :safe:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 10, 2009, 02:08:06 PM
Where's Joran?   :safe:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 10, 2009, 05:19:21 PM
I have no problem ... in the process of elimination ... the personal following up of tips by Dave Holloway.  However ... decernment is crucial when agendas that are meant to divert from the truth are taken into consideration.

When ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... John Silvetti was afforded unchallenged possession of the contents of the trap to the enemy ... the Aruban coverup agenda was furthered.

Dave Holloway's indepth knowledge regarding the dynamics encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation implies that he was a participant in furthering the Aruban agenda when he endorsed an undertaking that involved only the enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing for his daughter from the getgo.

It is beyond comprehensible.  Justice for his daughter and bringing her home to rest on American soil should have been Dave's only objectives.  Diverting/compromising even a little bit from these objectives ... for whatever reason ... is not acceptable.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  

Janet

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private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

The early posters with Renfro's cell phone number were always suspect in my mind.  The callers to the Aruba tip line are up there to.  I wonder if anyone kept track?  Recorded the tips?

The tip line with the Dutch number after the re-enactment - what happened to all those tips?  Maybe they could be made public after all this time?

What's worse than the tip lines?  How about the missing van der Sloot phones.  Anyone pull the phone records on those puppys?  Wouldn't it be interesting to know who those phones/numbers had contact with in the days prior and after Natalee went missing?  Maybe someone was using them after they were lost?  Might there be some clues there?

Missing VDS phones - top of the suspect list.

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 05:48:55 PM
Thank you all for your input regarding my concerns regarding Dave Holloway's relationship with those who are one with the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing from the getgo.

Food for Thought

Considering his extensive background knowledge regarding the dynamics encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation into the disappearance of his daughter ... why did Dave Holloway not determine for himself that this huge undertaking that was intended to bring closure was all for naught if there was no assurance in place that an FBI presence would be permitted on board to observe a chain of custody of any discovery that might be case related?snip

Janet - I would have to say it was because he had faith in Tim Miller to ensure the right thing was done.

He couldn't possibly have known that Tim would be booted from the boat by Silvetti at the crucial time.

I would hope that Dave had discussed with Silvetti and/or Schaefer prior to Persistence leaving the US his thoughts on an FBI present aboard the ship.

If he did, I have to presume he was fed some song and dance by Silvetti/Schaefer about Aruba not letting them dock if such a person was aboard..............and so Dave had to rely on his faith in Tim Miller.

Thanks Jen!  When I read Janet's question earlier today, my thoughts about a response were very close to yours. 

IIRC, when the search was discussed prior, Tim Miller had even mentioned the possibility of their docking in Venequela instead of Aruba.  I think that was in the event that Aruba tried to prevent them from searching at all.  With Tim Miller's prior experience's in Aruba, I can't help but believe that the same song and dance routine was fed to him too; for him to have gone along with things as they were up to the point of his leaving the boat.  I hope that makes sense.

I truly believe that Dave and Beth's trust in Tim Miller to make sure any evidence was handled properly in the pursuit of Justice for Natalee, was one of the main things that made Tim Miller a liability on that boat.

JMO

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 06:04:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57883.php

For appeal in case Falcone

10 Jun, 2009, 14:47 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / AMSTERDAM - The Public Prosecutor (OM) is not satisfied with the ruling of the court of Amsterdam in the case against Franklin Falcone and appeal. That made it for today. This is the purpose of the wishes of the families of Falcone's victims, Gabrielle Cevat.

The relatives of Cevat took the penalty is too low and gave the contract to their lawyer in an open letter to ask for still appeal. The court sentenced Falcone (50) earlier this month to twelve years in prison and TBS forcing nursing. The requirement of the OM was eighteen.

Falcone was sentenced for the shooting death of principal agente Gabrielle Cevat in Amstelveen in August last year. It considers it for him guilty of attempted murder of the parents of his ex-girlfriend, threats and prohibited possession of weapons.

The OM is the court-imposed penalty "no justice to the nature and seriousness of the proven facts stated." In addition, Justice feels that Falcone really be aware that he was at the time that he Cevat shot with a police officer to do. The court considered this is unproven.

Gabrielle Cevat (28) was dressed in civilian clothes when she was on the way to the police to her night shift to begin. When she Falcone curling game on the road she was driving in a car chase. Franklin Falcone stepped out of his car and shot down Cevat immediately. The agent died shortly afterwards in hospital.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 06:50:58 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 06:51:56 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 06:52:48 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 06:54:06 PM
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The Persistence....So John Silvetti!Care to sit down with the FBI and tell em exactly what transpired out in that ocean on Jan 7th?? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 06:56:16 PM
How bout askin for more donations and have them sent to a P.O. Box in Kemah Texas................ ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 06:57:17 PM
How bout askin for more donations and have them sent to a P.O. Box in Kemah Texas................ ::MonkeyCool::

Wonder if Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan care to show the FBI the accounting for the donated money.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 06:59:29 PM


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:00:28 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:02:02 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 07:02:10 PM


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All those ALE & Mos on The Persistence because of Hermit crabs..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Come on people..They didn't return on the 7th because Hermit crabs were in that cage! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
HT Kermit

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
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This is my opinion.Tim Miller's SILENCE speaks volumes!I believe,if Tim Miller thought nothing was in that cage,he would have said it long ago to end speculation..JMOO ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on June 10, 2009, 07:08:31 PM
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This is my opinion.Tim Miller's SILENCE speaks volumes!I believe,if Tim Miller thought nothing was in that cage,he would have said it long ago to end speculation..JMOO ::MonkeyCool::

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:08:56 PM
HT Kermit

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:10:41 PM
HT Kermit
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:12:01 PM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
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This is my opinion.Tim Miller's SILENCE speaks volumes!I believe,if Tim Miller thought nothing was in that cage,he would have said it long ago to end speculation..JMOO ::MonkeyCool::

I agree.

Me too!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 07:17:57 PM
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This is my opinion.Tim Miller's SILENCE speaks volumes!I believe,if Tim Miller thought nothing was in that cage,he would have said it long ago to end speculation..JMOO ::MonkeyCool::

I agree.

Me too!    ::MonkeyCool::

So...Outta everybody on that Ship.Who had the most experience identifying Human remains??No.It's not a trick question either.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
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This is my opinion.Tim Miller's SILENCE speaks volumes!I believe,if Tim Miller thought nothing was in that cage,he would have said it long ago to end speculation..JMOO ::MonkeyCool::

You're looking at him!   ::MonkeyCool::

I agree.

Me too!    ::MonkeyCool::

So...Outta everybody on that Ship.Who had the most experience identifying Human remains??No.It's not a trick question either.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

You're looking at him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
Post by: San on June 10, 2009, 07:19:24 PM
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Please move to NCD #820

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.0