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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 - 7/13/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2009, 01:09:11 PM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 07:20:56 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 07:21:43 PM
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Janet has been lounging in the Sun Drinkin that Hinky Tea.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:22:46 PM
San or 2NJ, would one of you please go back and fix my last post in the last thread.  I got sucked up into the quote stack!  (My response was...You're looking at him.)

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 07:30:10 PM
Wonder if Silvetti,Schaefer,and or Trahan care to show the FBI the accounting for the donated money.... ::MonkeyCool::

Would Tim Miller care to show the accounting of  Texas Equusearch in regards to donated monies encompassing the Persistence search.

Considering his past experience with the Aruba “powers that be”  I contend that Tim Miller should have distanced himself the search effort if an Aruban invitation that would afford an FBI presence on board could not be secured.  Could it be that conflicts of interest played a role in Tim Miller’s decision to “hope for the best” and not insist on an FBI presence?

1.  Could it be that Tim Miller anticipated that the search effort would be financially beneficial to TES through the soliciting of donations?

2.  Could it be that Tim Miller anticipated that the search effort would provide TES with valued resources and manpower in regards to future missing persons’ searches?

Think about Kyle Kingman’s own words.  The implication is that Tim Miller was both troubled and skeptical on December 30th in regards to the findings reported by the Aruban divers.

Yet … Tim fails to challenge John Silvetti.

In February, 2008 … there was the soliciting of donations to be forwarded to TES to underwrite the furthering of the search effort … the search effort that never happened.  Then there is the ongoing John Silvetti connection in regards to TES searches right up to this year.

I sincerely believed that Tim Miller was an advocate for Natalee Holloway … an advocate for her family.  However … when I put myself in Beth Holloway’s place …   my position changed.  If there was a possibility that my loved one was inside that trap … I would feel betrayed.

Janet

++++++++

TIM MILLER – 12/30/07 -  “SOMETHING IS WRONG”

KYLE KINGMAN – IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area …


TES - FUND RAISING EFFORT

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman – 02/15/08:
  Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out:
http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email:
donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


JOHN SILVETTI AND TES CONNECTION

December 09, 2008


Tim Miller and John Silvetti from the Silvetti Group out of Louisiana, will be in Yankeetown, Florida to search for the two men missing since their plane lost radar contact with officials. Darien Peckham and Zachary Schlitt were headed to Vandenberg Airport, Tampa, Florida and never reached their destination. We will post more details regarding this search at a later date.
 
http://www.texasequusearch.org/


December 12, 2008

Texas EquuSearch was successful in locating the A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this young man. TES would like to thank John Silvetti and the Silvetti group from Louisiana and Dennis and Tammy Watters and also the Texas Parks and Wildlife personnel for their roles in helping Texas EquuSearch locate A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/bergfeld-chase-richland-chambers-reservoir-tx-missing-121308/


February 22, 2009

As of 10:15 pm, Texas EquuSearch has been joined in the search for Dr. Zella by the Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Company, both out of Louisiana. We will continue searching tonight, as long as possible.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/search-for-missing-kayaker-in-seabrook-tx-tes-needs-searchers/


February 24, 2009

On Monday, five different groups were using sonar equipment to scan the bottom of Clear Lake — League City, Nassau Bay, the Montgomery County Constable’s office and The Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Co., both of Louisiana, Black said. Equusearch said the sonar teams and divers will work through most of Monday night.

“The winds have not let up on us to allow us to do anything much until now,” Black said Monday afternoon.

The search will continue on Tuesday beginning at 8 a.m. Volunteers are needed and encouraged to visit the command center located at the Clear Lake Park boat ramp on NASA Parkway in Seabrook.

At about 10:15 p.m. Sunday, the search team was joined by The Silvetti Group and Legacy  arrived with divers, who began searching shortly thereafter and continued diving until about 5 a.m. Monday.

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2009/02/24/bay_area_citizen/news/2kayak26.txt

Edit to change January 2008 to February 2008 per Janet's request


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 07:35:55 PM
Mods

In the above post please change January, 2008 to Febuary, 2008.

Thanks

Janet
Fixed


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:39:12 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 07:44:26 PM
I understand and agree Janet.I still think some tough questions need to asked,as well as answered in regards to the donations,what they were used for and,where they went from all parties involved.NO FREE PASSES..Yes.I'm extremely confused,in regards to why,Tim Miller is associating himself with the likes of Schaefer & Silvetti.I'm seriously confused as to why Dave & Robin are choosing to communicate and associate with the people they do.I believe Wreck or Billb said it best when the stated "Who has Dave's ear?"Sometimes we don't like what we hear.True friends will tell you things you don't wanna hear but,you know are true and correct...JMOO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:44:49 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

HE KNEW WHAT HE SAW! 

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 07:45:57 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

What are your thoughts on the continued association with Silvetti & Schaefer TM???I really have trouble with that..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 07:47:15 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

HE KNEW WHAT HE SAW! 

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Yes he did TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 07:54:00 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

Texasmom

When Tim Miller's concern regarding the happenings encompassing the trap is considered ...

1.  Why was Tim Miller ... in Feburary, 2008 ... continuing to allow his organization to be used for the accepting of donations for the furthing of the search effort ... the furthering of the search effort that never happened?

2.  Why did Tim Miller have further professional dealings with John Silvetti in regards to the TES organization right up until this year?

If there was a possibility that that remains of my loved one was in that trap ... I would have felt sooo betrayed.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 07:55:33 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

What are your thoughts on the continued association with Silvetti & Schaefer TM???I really have trouble with that..

All I can figure as someone else has stated here, is that Tim Miller won't turn down help from anyone (including the devil himself...my words) that could contribute to finding any missing person.  How often did you hear of these guys helping as they have before the search for Natalee?  If it was common for them to do so, I'd like to know about it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

Texasmom

When Tim Miller's concern regarding the happenings encompassing the trap is considered ...

1.  Why was Tim Miller ... in Feburary, 2008 ... continuing to allow his organization to be used for the accepting of donations for the furthing of the search effort ... the furthering of the search effort that never happened?

2.  Why did Tim Miller have further professional dealings with John Silvetti in regards to the TES organization right up until this year?

If there was a possibility that that remains of my loved one was in that trap ... I would have felt sooo betrayed.

Janet


I know that over the last year or two Tim Miller has not been very healthy.  I know that doesn't answer why but maybe it is a reason for him to behave in ways we don't quite understand?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

Texasmom

When Tim Miller's concern regarding the happenings encompassing the trap is considered ...

1.  Why was Tim Miller ... in Feburary, 2008 ... continuing to allow his organization to be used for the accepting of donations for the furthing of the search effort ... the furthering of the search effort that never happened?

2.  Why did Tim Miller have further professional dealings with John Silvetti in regards to the TES organization right up until this year?

If there was a possibility that that remains of my loved one was in that trap ... I would have felt sooo betrayed.

Janet


I don't know Janet, I wish I did!  I'm very upset about all of this!  I did email some of my questions to Tim Miller a while back, and never received a response. 

WARNING:  Pure speculation....
For Tim Miller to have disassociated himself with the mission while it was still ongoing...well it would have raised a lot of questions.  We all know that everyone on board the Persistance was required to sign a non disclosure agreement.  Rather than raise questions, that answering could land him in court...the association continued; and the services now are being contributed in return? 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:18:07 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

Texasmom

When Tim Miller's concern regarding the happenings encompassing the trap is considered ...

1.  Why was Tim Miller ... in Feburary, 2008 ... continuing to allow his organization to be used for the accepting of donations for the furthing of the search effort ... the furthering of the search effort that never happened?

2.  Why did Tim Miller have further professional dealings with John Silvetti in regards to the TES organization right up until this year?

If there was a possibility that that remains of my loved one was in that trap ... I would have felt sooo betrayed.

Janet


I know that over the last year or two Tim Miller has not been very healthy.  I know that doesn't answer why but maybe it is a reason for him to behave in ways we don't quite understand?

Thanks Klaas.  I have to wonder if his declining health has anything at all to do with what happened during the Persistence mission.  I truly hope not, but we all know that Tim Miller is sincere in his work.  And if he has been unduly burdened by the activities of others that he had no control over...well that just adds another victim to all of this.  I want to know the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2009, 08:23:28 PM
Good evening Monkeys. 

On Tim Miller, I tread lightly on that subject because I do believe Tim would say anything, take any kind of treatment, go to any extremes to find a missing person.  Just look at what that man put up with from Cindy Anthony.  I watched him break down on Nancy Grace's show but he still held his head high because he was determined to find Caylee.  Tim does have some problems which affects him in lots of ways plus he is not in the best of health.  He was sidelined by the Persistance and left out in the cold.  In plain english "HE WAS USED AND HOOD-WINKED".  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2009, 08:26:03 PM
Good evening Monkeys. 

On Tim Miller, I tread lightly on that subject because I do believe Tim would say anything, take any kind of treatment, go to any extremes to find a missing person.  Just look at what that man put up with from Cindy Anthony.  I watched him break down on Nancy Grace's show but he still held his head high because he was determined to find Caylee.  Tim does have some problems which affects him in lots of ways plus he is not in the best of health.  He was sidelined by the Persistance and left out in the cold.  In plain english "HE WAS USED AND HOOD-WINKED".  jmo

EDIT TO CORRECT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:26:55 PM
He knew what he saw too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2009, 08:27:54 PM
He knew what he saw too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/REMINDERS%202009/datelinehansmosonboardpsv7.jpg)



Yes ma'me he saw it at that exact time.  The look on his face says it all. jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
EVEN duh duh duh Dolph knew what he saw!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:32:09 PM
He knew what he saw too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/REMINDERS%202009/datelinehansmosonboardpsv7.jpg)



Yes ma'me he saw it at that exact time.  The look on his face says it all. jmo

I agree!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 08:32:14 PM
Still here..Just really busy! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
Good evening Monkeys. 

On Tim Miller, I tread lightly on that subject because I do believe Tim would say anything, take any kind of treatment, go to any extremes to find a missing person.  Just look at what that man put up with from Cindy Anthony.  I watched him break down on Nancy Grace's show but he still held his head high because he was determined to find Caylee.  Tim does have some problems which affects him in lots of ways plus he is not in the best of health.  He was sidelined by the Persistance and left out in the cold.  In plain english "HE WAS USED AND HOOD-WINKED".  jmo

I think so too Blue Moon!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 08:37:16 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

Texasmom

When Tim Miller's concern regarding the happenings encompassing the trap is considered ...

1.  Why was Tim Miller ... in Feburary, 2008 ... continuing to allow his organization to be used for the accepting of donations for the furthing of the search effort ... the furthering of the search effort that never happened?

2.  Why did Tim Miller have further professional dealings with John Silvetti in regards to the TES organization right up until this year?

If there was a possibility that that remains of my loved one was in that trap ... I would have felt sooo betrayed.

Janet


I don't know Janet, I wish I did!  I'm very upset about all of this!  I did email some of my questions to Tim Miller a while back, and never received a response. 

WARNING:  Pure speculation....
For Tim Miller to have disassociated himself with the mission while it was still ongoing...well it would have raised a lot of questions.  We all know that everyone on board the Persistance was required to sign a non disclosure agreement.  Rather than raise questions, that answering could land him in court...the association continued; and the services now are being contributed in return? 



1.  I also emailed Tim Miller and ... no response.

2.  Your speculation regarding a confidentiality agreement would make sense in regards to Tim Miller's silence  but ... Tim's connection with the receiving of search effort donations in February, 2008 and ... his ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti implies there may have been an understanding.

Personally ... I would have walked away on December 30, 2007 and ... not looked back.  John Silvetti would have been history in the life of Tamikosmom.  Justice for Natalee and loyalty to Beth would have dictated it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
I think it would be very interesting to know what the conversation was between Tim and Dave when they were checking out that false lead that required them to be removed from that boat.  My belief is Tim Miller did not hold back and told Dave exactly what he saw.  Tim knew what he saw and to this day he has not come out and openly said any different.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:44:02 PM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

Texasmom

When Tim Miller's concern regarding the happenings encompassing the trap is considered ...

1.  Why was Tim Miller ... in Feburary, 2008 ... continuing to allow his organization to be used for the accepting of donations for the furthing of the search effort ... the furthering of the search effort that never happened?

2.  Why did Tim Miller have further professional dealings with John Silvetti in regards to the TES organization right up until this year?

If there was a possibility that that remains of my loved one was in that trap ... I would have felt sooo betrayed.

Janet


I don't know Janet, I wish I did!  I'm very upset about all of this!  I did email some of my questions to Tim Miller a while back, and never received a response. 

WARNING:  Pure speculation....
For Tim Miller to have disassociated himself with the mission while it was still ongoing...well it would have raised a lot of questions.  We all know that everyone on board the Persistance was required to sign a non disclosure agreement.  Rather than raise questions, that answering could land him in court...the association continued; and the services now are being contributed in return? 



1.  I also emailed Tim Miller and ... no response.

2.  Your speculation regarding a confidentiality agreement would make sense in regards to Tim Miller's silence  but ... Tim's connection with the receiving of search effort donations in February, 2008 and ... his ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti implies there may have been an understanding.

Personally ... I would have walked away on December 30, 2007 and ... not looked back.  John Silvetti would have been history in the life of Tamikosmom.  Justice for Natalee and loyalty to Beth would have dictated it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I understand your point, and I agree.  I would have walked away too, not completely however until I told Natalee's parents EVERYTHING I knew.

However, men are different than us Janet.  Perhaps since the Persistence "mission" had benefited from contributions through TES, Tim thought that they should repay those benefits in searches for other missing people?  It's just a thought.  I've tried to reason this every possible way, and that's the only thing that comes close to making sense to me.  It may be totally wrong, but it's a possibility in my mind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
DIL and son just arrived with Chinese food.  My part ... rice and tea.

I am not crazy about Chinese food but ... when I do not have to cook ... I do not complain.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
5:45 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 08:47:52 PM
I think it would be very interesting to know what the conversation was between Tim and Dave when they were checking out that false lead that required them to be removed from that boat.  My belief is Tim Miller did not hold back and told Dave exactly what he saw.  Tim knew what he saw and to this day he has not come out and openly said any different.

I can't reconcile the fact that if Tim Miller believes Natalee Holloway was potentially in that trap,Silvetti let's ALE secure the contents & take off and you continue to associate with Silvetti & Schaefer...There are other people that can help Tim Miller.No?JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:48:51 PM
DIL and son just arrived with Chinese food.  My part ... rice and tea.

I am not crazy about Chinese food but ... when I do not have to cook ... I do not complain.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
5:45 PM

Have a great dinner and visit with your family!  Good for you!    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 08:49:37 PM
Hi Blue Moon

How is your sister?  How are you?

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 10, 2009, 08:52:49 PM
This is important dialogue and i do appreciate everyone's candor.We may have different opinions & Views but,i know where your hearts are at..Tm,Tamikosmom,Blue Moon...

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
I think it would be very interesting to know what the conversation was between Tim and Dave when they were checking out that false lead that required them to be removed from that boat.  My belief is Tim Miller did not hold back and told Dave exactly what he saw.  Tim knew what he saw and to this day he has not come out and openly said any different.

I can't reconcile the fact that if Tim Miller believes Natalee Holloway was potentially in that trap,Silvetti let's ALE secure the contents & take off and you continue to associate with Silvetti & Schaefer...There are other people that can help Tim Miller.No?JMOO

You've looked at a lot of things regarding Silvetti and Schaefer on the internet, how many searches have you come across that they assisted TES with BEFORE the Persistence mission?

Maybe we should ask if they have charged for their assistance in the searches they've helped TES with.  That might speak volumes.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2009, 08:58:07 PM
DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER TONIGHT - COMING UP IN A COUPLE MINUTES!!!
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 08:58:42 PM
This is important dialogue and i do appreciate everyone's candor.We may have different opinions & Views but,i know where your hearts are at..Tm,Tamikosmom,Blue Moon...

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

::MonkeyAngel::

Exactly!  I'm just putting my thoughts out here.  I don't expect anyone to agree, and would hope everyone would say what they think too!

It's all about JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

Thank you KTF.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2009, 09:15:04 PM
Hi Blue Moon

How is your sister?  How are you?

Hugs

Janet

sister is fine-minus her head of hair today.  Doctor told her to shave it off so they did not have to.  Guess he hates to see a woman cry.
I am fine.  Friday's surgery, according to the doctor, should go just fine.  We are holding him to that statement.  He is from a big clinic in Atlanta, came here in Feb. of this year to slow down his pace cause he was overwhelmed in Atlanta.  He has done this surgery here I think 20 times since Feb. so I guess he did not go far enough.  Before him anyone here would have to go to Nashville to Vanderbilt University Hosp. and now we can stay here and have these types of surgery.  So sister is positive and fully trusts this doctor.  Will update you Friday afternoon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2009, 09:15:30 PM
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!

I agree Wreck.  It is time to put it ALL out there, EVERYTHING.  Isn't there a statue of limitations on murder in Aruba?  Seven years?  They are just waiting this out for the 7 year mark.  SPILL EVERYTHING NOW.  They have nothing to lose at this point.  Aruba is never going to return Natalee to her family and homeland, NEVER.  Justice has long past for Natalee and it is time for the world to know what these people did to this family.  Screw the FBI, they can't do a damn thing to change anything concerning this case.  Their hands are tied.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 09:20:42 PM
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!

I AGREE!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 09:29:25 PM


I've been locked out!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 09:31:25 PM
Hi Blue Moon

How is your sister?  How are you?

Hugs

Janet

sister is fine-minus her head of hair today.  Doctor told her to shave it off so they did not have to.  Guess he hates to see a woman cry.
I am fine.  Friday's surgery, according to the doctor, should go just fine.  We are holding him to that statement.  He is from a big clinic in Atlanta, came here in Feb. of this year to slow down his pace cause he was overwhelmed in Atlanta.  He has done this surgery here I think 20 times since Feb. so I guess he did not go far enough.  Before him anyone here would have to go to Nashville to Vanderbilt University Hosp. and now we can stay here and have these types of surgery.  So sister is positive and fully trusts this doctor.  Will update you Friday afternoon.

Thanks for the update Blue Moon.  Today would have been a very hard day for me in her shoes.   ::MonkeyWaa::
You are both still in my prayers.  Please keep us posted.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2009, 09:43:58 PM
I would love to have Beth release her notebooks she kept while on the island.  Remember the time when Greta had Beth on and she was suppose to release some parts of it to Greta but something happened (maybe it was Hurricane Katrina) and it never was read on the air.

I guess for legal purposes that is something Beth cannot do though.  If she will email copies of it to me I will put it out there for the world to read.   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 10, 2009, 10:33:24 PM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2009, 10:38:48 PM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.

Stay safe.  I am calling it a night also.  Those storms are heading toward us after midnight so I have a feeling I will not get much sleep after that time.  I hate storms in the late night hours.  Always seem worse because you cannot see what is heading toward you.

Good night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 10, 2009, 10:51:29 PM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.
Stay Safe TM...I'm Praying!  The same storms missed Us earlier!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.

Stay safe.  I am calling it a night also.  Those storms are heading toward us after midnight so I have a feeling I will not get much sleep after that time.  I hate storms in the late night hours.  Always seem worse because you cannot see what is heading toward you.

Good night.

They went through Dallas about 2 hours ago! Very windy!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 11:20:14 PM
Hi Blue Moon

How is your sister?  How are you?

Hugs

Janet

sister is fine-minus her head of hair today.  Doctor told her to shave it off so they did not have to.  Guess he hates to see a woman cry.
I am fine.  Friday's surgery, according to the doctor, should go just fine.  We are holding him to that statement.  He is from a big clinic in Atlanta, came here in Feb. of this year to slow down his pace cause he was overwhelmed in Atlanta.  He has done this surgery here I think 20 times since Feb. so I guess he did not go far enough.  Before him anyone here would have to go to Nashville to Vanderbilt University Hosp. and now we can stay here and have these types of surgery.  So sister is positive and fully trusts this doctor.  Will update you Friday afternoon.

Thank you for the update Blue Moon.

God Bless

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 11:27:23 PM
He knew what he saw too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/REMINDERS%202009/datelinehansmosonboardpsv7.jpg)



KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2009, 11:28:31 PM
Good Night AZSunny and Wreck.

Janet
8:30 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2009, 11:37:16 PM
Good Night AZSunny and Wreck.

Janet
8:30 PM
Nite!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2009, 12:31:52 AM
2NJSons_Mom, snoopy and 1 Guest are viewing this topic

Hi, snoopy & 1 guest....just checking and checking out.  :)   


I will be back. 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 11, 2009, 01:04:54 AM
Blue Moon,
My prays are with you, your sister and family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2009, 01:21:25 AM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.

Stay safe.  I am calling it a night also.  Those storms are heading toward us after midnight so I have a feeling I will not get much sleep after that time.  I hate storms in the late night hours.  Always seem worse because you cannot see what is heading toward you.

Good night.

They went through Dallas about 2 hours ago! Very windy!  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I spoke too soon! Round 2 just knocked my power out! Back on now!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 01:22:48 AM
None of us will always be right,nor will we always be wrong.What i do know is that the Monkey bunch are Monkey's with hearts of GOLD...JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER!

 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 01:23:42 AM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.

Stay safe.  I am calling it a night also.  Those storms are heading toward us after midnight so I have a feeling I will not get much sleep after that time.  I hate storms in the late night hours.  Always seem worse because you cannot see what is heading toward you.

Good night.

They went through Dallas about 2 hours ago! Very windy!  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I spoke too soon! Round 2 just knocked my power out! Back on now!  ::MonkeyEek::

Thanx for the update Wreck..At least your head is on fire.. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 01:25:50 AM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.

Stay safe.  I am calling it a night also.  Those storms are heading toward us after midnight so I have a feeling I will not get much sleep after that time.  I hate storms in the late night hours.  Always seem worse because you cannot see what is heading toward you.

Good night.

They went through Dallas about 2 hours ago! Very windy!  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I spoke too soon! Round 2 just knocked my power out! Back on now!  ::MonkeyEek::

Thanx for the update Wreck..At least your head isn't on fire.. ::MonkeyDevil::

Correction.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2009, 01:29:55 AM
There was a HUGE power surge and you could actually hear a very loud "sizzling" sound in the neighborhood (like what you would imagine an old time "electric chair" would sound like when the flip was switched)! I was surprised the shortage only lasted about 30 minutes. I've NEVER heard that sound before!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2009, 01:31:28 AM
There was a HUGE power surge and you could actually hear a very loud "sizzling" sound in the neighborhood (like what you would imagine an old time "electric chair" would sound like when the switch was flipped)! I was surprised the shortage only lasted about 30 minutes. I've NEVER heard that sound before!  ::MonkeyEek::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 11, 2009, 01:32:45 AM
I've questioned the actions of Tim Miller and Dave Holloway at times, and I firmly believe that is healthy to do to ensure I keep perspective. It is natural to question anything that doesn't fit the current train of thought. Sometimes I let my passion for Justice for Natalee take me further down a path than pure logic allows though, and wrt Tim and Dave I'm willing to give them both the benefit of doubt at the end of the day. I KNOW in my heart that there is absolutely NO way Tim or Dave have anything but Justice for Natalee driving them forward!
The critical path that needs to be followed is the persistence search: john s, louis s, kyle kingman. tim trahan.......the aruba ale, mos, and the recovery of the cage contents by aruba only divers!
Everything else in my mind is secondary to that critical path and while uncovering those secondary issues may lead to putting more pieces of the puzzle together, some may also distract from putting the right pieces of the puzzle together.....MOO...putting too much effort into what Tim Miller and Dave Holloway may have or may have not done is counterproductive to the critical path development, and it brings out emotions that further cloud the issues.
Focus on the critical path...that is the most promising route to get Justice for Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 11, 2009, 01:34:36 AM
Blue Moon,
My prayers are with you, your sister and family.
self edit...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 01:35:25 AM
There was a HUGE power surge and you could actually hear a very loud "sizzling" sound in the neighborhood (like what you would imagine an old time "electric chair" would sound like when the flip was switched)! I was surprised the shortage only lasted about 30 minutes. I've NEVER heard that sound before!  ::MonkeyEek::

Good to know that all are safe!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 01:58:57 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 01:59:31 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 02:00:21 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 02:00:55 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 11, 2009, 02:21:55 AM
Good night Good Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Mere on June 11, 2009, 08:43:26 AM
Good Morning Monkeys....waiting for Texasmom to check in..... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2009, 08:46:23 AM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.

No major damage from the storm, but was left without internet.  This morning no power.  I hope to be back on tonight.

Have a great day Monkeys!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


 
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
Great show DANA!     ::MonkeyDance::

I'm signing off for a while, just heard that a tornado just touched down west of me and headed this way!

Keep me in your prayers.  I'll sign back on when the storm has passed.

No major damage from the storm, but was left without internet.  This morning no power.  I hope to be back on tonight.

Have a great day Monkeys!  ::MonkeyCool::
Round 3 hit again here this morning! Over 3 " of rain since last night!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 11, 2009, 09:57:43 AM
I don't believe Tim Miller left that boat without challenging John Silvetti.  

Tim Miller is a father who lost his daughter, and walked in the shoes of a parent NOT KNOWING where his daughter was.

Tim Miller is a Texan!

Logic dictates!

JMO

I agree!!!

We only have information from Kyle about when Tim was booted.  And Kyle was asleep when it all happened.

He woke up, and Tim was gone.

Silvetti told Kyle that Tim was "a liability, and wasn't needed anymore".

So we don't know what Tim did or didn't say to Silvetti when that happened.

From what I've seen of Tim, I agree with you Txmom!  Tim would never have just said "ok" and waltzed off of that boat without a fight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 11, 2009, 09:58:16 AM
I just want to say that this is a discussion board and a discussion about Dave's motivation is certainly
not throwing Dave under the bus.
This discussion is not encouraged by anyone.....most certainly not by Beth.....as speculated on other boards.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 11, 2009, 10:05:05 AM
I've questioned the actions of Tim Miller and Dave Holloway at times, and I firmly believe that is healthy to do to ensure I keep perspective. It is natural to question anything that doesn't fit the current train of thought. Sometimes I let my passion for Justice for Natalee take me further down a path than pure logic allows though, and wrt Tim and Dave I'm willing to give them both the benefit of doubt at the end of the day. I KNOW in my heart that there is absolutely NO way Tim or Dave have anything but Justice for Natalee driving them forward!
The critical path that needs to be followed is the persistence search: john s, louis s, kyle kingman. tim trahan.......the aruba ale, mos, and the recovery of the cage contents by aruba only divers!
Everything else in my mind is secondary to that critical path and while uncovering those secondary issues may lead to putting more pieces of the puzzle together, some may also distract from putting the right pieces of the puzzle together.....MOO...putting too much effort into what Tim Miller and Dave Holloway may have or may have not done is counterproductive to the critical path development, and it brings out emotions that further cloud the issues.
Focus on the critical path...that is the most promising route to get Justice for Natalee....

hear, hear billb!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 11, 2009, 10:09:42 AM
I just want to say that this is a discussion board and a discussion about Dave's motivation is certainly
not throwing Dave under the bus.
This discussion is not encouraged by anyone.....most certainly not by Beth.....as speculated on other boards.

No way!  Say it ain't so?  The New Dark Side still making false assumptions and assertions?  ::MonkeyDevil::

While I don't believe either Tim or Dave ever had any motivation or drive besides finding Natalee - I cannot fault those who are looking into it. 

Everyone has a right to an opinion, and those here are not irresponsible nor moving forward blindly with them.

The process of elimination is just as important as gleaning and dissecting new facts when it comes to getting to the truth of a situation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2009, 10:11:16 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57885.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Amigoe061109Morgan.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 11, 2009, 10:13:24 AM
klaas - when I first read that, I thought it said "Circus hits..."

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 11, 2009, 10:25:49 AM
Remember Kyle telling us this?  I have to wonder if this was TIM's plan.  And if THIS was why he was deemed a "liability" by John Silvetti, and removed from the boat.

Because obviously, the plan changed once Tim was gone, and only ALE dove on that cage.
 
 
Reply #740 on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:38 PM

-After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366321#msg366321



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 11:42:17 AM

Considering his past experience with the Aruba “powers that be”  I contend that Tim Miller should have distanced himself the search effort IF an Aruban invitation ... that would afford an FBI presence on board ... could not be secured. 

Think about Kyle Kingman’s own words.  The implication is that Tim Miller was both troubled and skeptical on December 30th in regards to the findings reported by the Aruban divers.

Yet … Tim fails to challenge John Silvetti.

In February, 2008 … there was the soliciting of donations to be forwarded to TES to underwrite the furthering of the search effort … the search effort that never happened.  Then there is the ongoing John Silvetti connection in regards to TES searches right up to this year.

I sincerely believed that Tim Miller was an advocate for Natalee Holloway … an advocate for her family.  However … my position has changed.  I know if there was a possibility that my loved one was inside that trap … I would feel betrayed.

Janet

++++++++

TIM MILLER – 12/30/07 -  “SOMETHING IS WRONG”

KYLE KINGMAN – IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area …


TES - FUND RAISING EFFORT

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman – 02/15/08:
  Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out:
http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email:
donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


JOHN SILVETTI AND TES CONNECTION

December 09, 2008


Tim Miller and John Silvetti from the Silvetti Group out of Louisiana, will be in Yankeetown, Florida to search for the two men missing since their plane lost radar contact with officials. Darien Peckham and Zachary Schlitt were headed to Vandenberg Airport, Tampa, Florida and never reached their destination. We will post more details regarding this search at a later date.
 
http://www.texasequusearch.org/


December 12, 2008

Texas EquuSearch was successful in locating the A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this young man. TES would like to thank John Silvetti and the Silvetti group from Louisiana and Dennis and Tammy Watters and also the Texas Parks and Wildlife personnel for their roles in helping Texas EquuSearch locate A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/bergfeld-chase-richland-chambers-reservoir-tx-missing-121308/


February 22, 2009

As of 10:15 pm, Texas EquuSearch has been joined in the search for Dr. Zella by the Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Company, both out of Louisiana. We will continue searching tonight, as long as possible.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/search-for-missing-kayaker-in-seabrook-tx-tes-needs-searchers/


February 24, 2009

On Monday, five different groups were using sonar equipment to scan the bottom of Clear Lake — League City, Nassau Bay, the Montgomery County Constable’s office and The Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Co., both of Louisiana, Black said. Equusearch said the sonar teams and divers will work through most of Monday night.

“The winds have not let up on us to allow us to do anything much until now,” Black said Monday afternoon.

The search will continue on Tuesday beginning at 8 a.m. Volunteers are needed and encouraged to visit the command center located at the Clear Lake Park boat ramp on NASA Parkway in Seabrook.

At about 10:15 p.m. Sunday, the search team was joined by The Silvetti Group and Legacy  arrived with divers, who began searching shortly thereafter and continued diving until about 5 a.m. Monday.

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2009/02/24/bay_area_citizen/news/2kayak26.txt

Edit to change January 2008 to February 2008 per Janet's request

Jen

Tim Miller observed and heard all while on board the Persistence ... all that troubled Kyle Kingman in regards to John Silvetti's complete trust of the Arubans.

I concede that prior to leaving the ship on January 1/08 (?) to follow the Costa Rica tip ... while Kyle Kingman had his 48 sleep ... Tim Miller may have challenged/ confronted John Silvetti regarding his doubts concerning the claims of the Aruban divers that impled that the visual dive revealed nothing case related inside the trap.

However ... when you consider Tim Miller's ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti in regards to the TES organization ... could it be that an understanding was reached?

Janet
_______

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs (December 30/07). It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 11:46:36 AM
I just want to say that this is a discussion board and a discussion about Dave's motivation is certainly
not throwing Dave under the bus.
This discussion is not encouraged by anyone.....most certainly not by Beth.....as speculated on other boards.

For me personnally,there are things i find hard to reconcile,in terms of Dave & Tim's continued relationship with people who've been shown to not have Justice for Natalee at the forfront.I'm struggling with it..If,by some grand scheme there is a plan for these associations,GREAT.If not i'm still very troubled as to why...JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 11:47:11 AM

Edit to change January 2008 to February 2008 per Janet's request

Thank you.

I promise never again to bother Klaas or mods in regards to editing or deleting my posts.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
I just want to say that this is a discussion board and a discussion about Dave's motivation is certainly
not throwing Dave under the bus.
This discussion is not encouraged by anyone.....most certainly not by Beth.....as speculated on other boards.

For me personnally,there are things i find hard to reconcile,in terms of Dave & Tim's continued relationship with people who've been shown to not have Justice for Natalee at the forfront.I'm struggling with it..If,by some grand scheme there is a plan for these associations,GREAT.If not i'm still very troubled as to why...JMOO

Keepthefaith ... my sentiments exactly.

It breaks my heart  but ... if Kyle Kingman is not given a pass without answers to hard questions which involve his ongoing relationship with John Silvetti following the events encompassing the trap ... then Tim Miller cannot be given a pass just because he is Tim Miller.

Bottom Line:  Justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family is where it is at.

Janet

_______


Kyle Kingman:

1.  Internet posts reveal that Kyle was troubled by John Silvetti regarding the events encompassing the contents of the trap (internet posts)
2.  Kyle backtracks
3.  Kyle has an on-going professional relationship with John Silvetti (Norway/Egypt).


Tim Miller:
1.  According to Kyle Kingman's own words it is revealed that Tim Miller was troubled by John Silvetti regarding the events encompassing the contents of the trap
2.  Tim is silent.
3.  Tim has an on-going professinal relationship with John Silvetti (TES).



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 12:24:04 PM
I just want to say that this is a discussion board and a discussion about Dave's motivation is certainly
not throwing Dave under the bus.
This discussion is not encouraged by anyone.....most certainly not by Beth.....as speculated on other boards.

For me personnally,there are things i find hard to reconcile,in terms of Dave & Tim's continued relationship with people who've been shown to not have Justice for Natalee at the forfront.I'm struggling with it..If,by some grand scheme there is a plan for these associations,GREAT.If not i'm still very troubled as to why...JMOO

Keepthefaith ... my sentiments exactly.

It breaks my heart  but ... if Kyle Kingman is not given a pass without answers to hard questions which involve his ongoing relationship with John Silvetti following the events encompassing the trap ... then Tim Miller cannot be given a pass just because he is Tim Miller.

Bottom Line:  Justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family is where it is at.

Janet

_______


Kyle Kingman:

1.  Internet posts reveal that Kyle was troubled by John Silvetti regarding the events encompassing the contents of the trap (internet posts)
2.  Kyle backtracks
3.  Kyle has an on-going professional relationship with John Silvetti (Norway/Egypt).


Tim Miller:
1.  According to Kyle Kingman's own words it is revealed that Tim Miller was troubled by John Silvetti regarding the events encompassing the contents of the trap
2.  Tim is silent.
3.  Tim has an on-going professinal relationship with John Silvetti (TES).



It is very hard for me to reconcile the associations.I could be completely wrong and they are associating with these people for a purpose.Do i see the reason why at this time?NO..Will there be one.I hope & pray!If not... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 01:22:21 PM

It is very hard for me to reconcile the associations.I could be completely wrong and they are associating with these people for a purpose.Do i see the reason why at this time?NO..Will there be one.I hope & pray!If not... ::MonkeyWaa::

Keepthefaith

I would love to believe that both Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman have underlying reasons for their ongoing financially beneficial relationship with John Silvetti following the recovery of the contents of the trap.

Considering I do not have a clue what may be taking place behind the scenes ... my prayer is that both these men have come forward and revealed all to the FBI regarding a furthering of the Aruban coverup agenda which took place when John Silvetti afforded the enemy complete trust in regards to what may have been the remains of an American citizen named Natalee Holloway.

Janet
_________

1.  KYLE KINGMAN - JOHN SILVETTI

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs (December 30/07). It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.


Kingman Geophysical Solutions

Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Ormen Lange Excavation -North Sea, Norway


Ormen Lange deep sea pipeline excavation monitoring. Working in conjunction with Oceaneering, SRD, and Fugro Norway on board the Island Valiant. Magnum working class ROV and high-resolution multibeam sonar. StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/2008/07/ormen-lange-excavation-north-sea-norway.html


The Travels and Thoughts of Kyle Kingman

Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008

 
I called Knut Landstad, who was my point of contact in Oslo to let him know I was leaving the airport ...

The offshore project manager, John told me ....

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html


The Travels and Thoughts of Kyle Kingman

Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July


It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt ...

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html


2.  TIM MILLER - JOHN SILVETTI

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area …


TES - DONATIONS

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


Kyle Kingman – 02/15/08:  Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email:
donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


TES - RESOURCES AND MANPOWERS

December 09, 2008


Tim Miller and John Silvetti from the Silvetti Group out of Louisiana, will be in Yankeetown, Florida to search for the two men missing since their plane lost radar contact with officials. Darien Peckham and Zachary Schlitt were headed to Vandenberg Airport, Tampa, Florida and never reached their destination. We will post more details regarding this search at a later date.
 
http://www.texasequusearch.org/


December 12, 2008

Texas EquuSearch was successful in locating the A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this young man. TES would like to thank John Silvetti and the Silvetti group from Louisiana and Dennis and Tammy Watters  and also the Texas Parks and Wildlife personnel for their roles in helping Texas EquuSearch locate A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/bergfeld-chase-richland-chambers-reservoir-tx-missing-121308/


February 22, 2009

As of 10:15 pm, Texas EquuSearch has been joined in the search for Dr. Zella by the Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Company, both out of Louisiana. We will continue searching tonight, as long as possible.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/search-for-missing-kayaker-in-seabrook-tx-tes-needs-searchers/


February 24, 2009

On Monday, five different groups were using sonar equipment to scan the bottom of Clear Lake — League City, Nassau Bay, the Montgomery County Constable’s office and The Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Co., both of Louisiana, Black said. Equusearch said the sonar teams and divers will work through most of Monday night.

“The winds have not let up on us to allow us to do anything much until now,” Black said Monday afternoon.

The search will continue on Tuesday beginning at 8 a.m. Volunteers are needed and encouraged to visit the command center located at the Clear Lake Park boat ramp on NASA Parkway in Seabrook.

At about 10:15 p.m. Sunday, the search team was joined by The Silvetti Group and Legacy  arrived with divers, who began searching shortly thereafter and continued diving until about 5 a.m. Monday.

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2009/02/24/bay_area_citizen/news/2kayak26.txt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 02:12:40 PM
Hotshot appears to play a major role in diverting focus away from the furthering of the Aruban coverup agenda by John Silvetti?

When Hotshot's own words of January, 2009 are considered ... it can be assumed that she was still in touch with Dave Holloway.

Janet

++++++

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #258 on: November 22, 2008, 02:53:44 AM »


CAPS knows Silvetti from me  Silvetti did do the pond and then they wouldnt let him back in after all the maps were made of the pond.  About Jossy, i know nothing about that.  I was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.  And I do know who CAPS is.  This boat that may have taken the trap away, if anything was the Gottenbos boat.  I too feel that they have what they needed to bring home, and thats why we hear nothing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
« Reply #835 on: January 13, 2009, 10:04:13 AM »


I dont need to prove things to you. I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE ..... then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number. That is all there is to it. I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with. Not a big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4363.msg624464#msg624464


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #258 on: November 22, 2008, 02:53:44 AM »


I was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.  And I do know who CAPS is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS. There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #486 7/3 - 7/4/2006
« Reply #835 on: July 05, 2006, 03:41:17 AM »


Tylergal:  Hotshot, how did we find out about the blond and the late-night partying our Sporter is doing now?  Of course, I understand if you cannot divulge that, but we sure do want to know all we can about this evil critter.

Hotshot:  A friend of mine lives there and works at the marriott.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=40.msg8019#msg8019


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #498 on: January 08, 2009, 09:15:29 AM »


Beth is a very good woman, don't get me wrong, but what is OK with her doesn't mean the rest of the family is OK with it.  The movie coming out is one of those things.  Dave doesn't want the lifetime movie.  He says enough is enough, "Thats my little girl".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617348;topicseen#msg617348



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 11, 2009, 02:15:04 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 03:36:28 PM
MARK PURCELL - JULIA RENFRO - ROBIN AND DAVE HOLLOWAY

ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 03:57:21 PM
While upholding Mark Purcell and Julia Renfro ... Robin Holloway's words did not reflect John Q. Kelly's take of the meeting which Dave and Beth had with the Aruban "powers that be" in regard to the rearrest of Joran, Deepak and Satish in November, 2007.

Remember ... the rearrest that took place following ten Aruban attorneys agreeing that there was sufficient evidence to detain.  Well ... ten Aruban attorneys got it wrong.

Janet

++++++


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


'On the Record w/ Greta' - December 4, 2007

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


'On the Record w/ Greta' - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

 
ABC NEWS - GMA - November 27, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 11, 2009, 04:33:50 PM
Posted only for the connection to Thailand:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525866,00.html

Autopsy Finds David Carradine Did Not Commit Suicide


So I wonder what did happen to him. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 04:47:11 PM
It appears that Dave Holloway has connections with ATA/AHATA.  It appears that Dave Holloway has connections with the enemy who has been a participant in prevented justice from the getgo.

Logic dictates that a "sizeable" donation from Aruba’s Minister of Tourism and Transportation, Edison Briesen, would not be about exposing the truth encompassing what happened to his daughter on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++++

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.   So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 158:
  The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Aruba
US still drives business to Aruba after Holloway case closed
By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008
Nassau, Bahamas (eTN) -


eTN: What message do you have for the US travelers?

Briesen: We’ve received support from the CTO and the CHA through the years, with sustaining the US market, our loyal clients for over 30 years. Three of four visitors to Aruba are Americans. This is a case that boggles us. But we’d like to forget and move on.

http://www.eturbonews.com/865/us-still-drives-business-aruba-after-holloway-case-closed



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
John Silvetti

" Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount."

Question is...What ever happened to this raising a sizable amount??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 04:59:59 PM
John Silvetti

" Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount."

Question is...What ever happened to this raising a sizable amount??? ::MonkeyConfused::

So is it fair to say Dave put Silvetti in contact with this person(Likely Briesen)after the cage discovery and recovery??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 05:26:33 PM
John Silvetti

" Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount."

Question is...What ever happened to this raising a sizable amount??? ::MonkeyConfused::

So is it fair to say Dave put Silvetti in contact with this person(Likely Briesen)after the cage discovery and recovery??

... or the monies raised by the outreach for financial support which would underwrite a further search effort by John Silvetti ... a further search effort that never happened.

Janet

+++++++

OUTREACH BY JOHN SILVETTI

BFN
Quote from: LegallyLex on April 03, 2008, 07:42:52 PM


John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search. Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?

John: It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.


OUTREACH BY KYLE KINGMAN

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman – 02/15/08
:  Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email:
donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
John Silvetti

" Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount."

Question is...What ever happened to this raising a sizable amount??? ::MonkeyConfused::

So is it fair to say Dave put Silvetti in contact with this person(Likely Briesen)after the cage discovery and recovery??

Keepthefaith

You got it right!

Janet

______


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.   So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 05:40:25 PM
What am i missing?What's the purpose of setting up a meeting between Briesen and Silvetti after the cage discovery/recovery??They were down in Aruba for 4 to 5 months for what?Why would you ask for a sizable donation "IF" you've already been searching/mapping those waters for 4 to 5 months."IF" you weren't searching for Natalee Holloway what exactly were you doing down there.Maybe i'm slow but,something just isn't adding up for me.Don't know what it is but..Time will tell! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 06:03:22 PM
What am i missing?What's the purpose of setting up a meeting between Briesen and Silvetti after the cage discovery/recovery??They were down in Aruba for 4 to 5 months for what?Why would you ask for a sizable donation "IF" you've already been searching/mapping those waters for 4 to 5 months."IF" you weren't searching for Natalee Holloway what exactly were you doing down there.Maybe i'm slow but,something just isn't adding up for me.Don't know what it is but..Time will tell! ::MonkeyConfused::

The following words of John Silvetti's implies future search effort was being anticipated for which donations were required.

Remember it was claimed there were still more targets that required investigation.

Janet

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OUTREACH BY JOHN SILVETTI

BFN
Quote from: LegallyLex on April 03, 2008, 07:42:52 PM


John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search. Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?

John: It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.


Holloway searchers need help
Thursday, February 28, 2008 | 8:21 PM


By Cynthia CisnerosKEMAH, TX (KTRK) -- It's been almost three years since Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba on a class trip.

But searchers have not given up hope.

A Kemah businessman has been on the front lines of the search for Natalee, spending over a million dollars of his own money. Over the past four months, he's paid for an underwater search.
 
The morning we were there, Louis Schafer was signing a wire transfer for $250,000. The money used to operate a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence.

"I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions. "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved."  

The Persistence has been used every day since November to survey the ocean floor near Aruba. It uses remote operated vehicles, called ROVs, to sweep the ocean depths. What they've been able to accomplish is astounding.

"By Friday, we will have surveyed the entire 50-square mile off Aruba," Schafer said. "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. we have about 150 more targets to inspect."

Natalee Holloway traveled to Aruba two years ago to celebrate her high school graduation and disappeared. Natalee was last seen with Joran Van der Sloot who says he does not know what happened to her.

Schafer made a fortune in the deep sea diving business for oil rig removal and installation. He had access to unique technology and a team of experts that could find just about anything.
"So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea," he said.

A relentless search Schafer and his team say will stop, if they don't get more funding.

"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

The search of the rest of those targets will stop this week. For more information on how you can help,

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 06:08:39 PM
It should be noted that at the end of February, 2008 ... Tim Miller was upholding John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer in raising funds for a future search of the uninvestigated targets.

Janet

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On the Record w / Greta - February 27, 2008

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:
The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 06:25:20 PM
Keepthefaith

Check of the dates of the quotes I submitted.  Outreaches for donations occured just prior to the Persistence leaving Aruba and following the departure.
 
Janet

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The Search for Natalee Holloway
XVIII. Sonar Search Complete
 Update: Mon 03-March 1345 hrs


With the sonar search completed, the RV Persistence sets sail heading to its home port in Louisiana. With mixed emotions, the search team returns home. When we arrived in Aruba in mid-December we were mentally prepared to return home either having found Natalee, or after having exhausted all possibilities in the quest to find her. It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase. We are thankful for the outpouring of generosity, love, support, and prayers throughout the entire search effort.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xviii-sonar-search-complete.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
THE PERSISTENCE - THE DEPARTURE

Dana Pretzer Show - February 26th 2008

ART WOOD:  Hi Dana, I appreciate you having me on.

Quite frankly, we have some bad news regarding the search for Natalee. As you may or may not know, John Silvetti and his company and the crew of the Persistence has been searching since before Christmas. They have completed an underwater survey, a grid of all the territory they're going to search off the coast of Aruba. They've identified over 100 possible targets that could be Natalee on the ocean floor. They're trying to narrow that list to 30 or 40 more likely targets, they can dive on them however John has informed us that they have run out of money. Actually, if they can't come up with some donations within the next week to 10 days, they're going to be bringing the boat home.

It doesn't mean we're going to give up, the targets are marked and we're going to make every attempt to get the resources together to dive on these targets.

However, Dave Holloway has as we speak been talking to various officials and even asking the arubans to chip in to pay for the expenses. The cost of fuel and everything for the Persistence, it's cost them over a million $ already and without some charitable contributions, we're going to have to abandon the search at this time. Without contributions, Persistence is coming home and I'm very, very disappointed at that. It would be a tragic end to this mission. We need the search completed even if the chances of finding Natalee are dim, we will never know until we dive on those targets.

Transcript Credit:  Heli
 
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/26/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tuesday-february-26th-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-pat-brown-robert-peters-christopher-lyons-art-wood-and-scared-monkeys/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 07:02:05 PM
The Million Dollar question...What are they waiting for?? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 07:10:32 PM
Rather than going up one side of John Silvetti and down the other for allowing the enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been his daughter's remains ...  two months later we find Dave Holloway soliciting funds from the enemy to underwrite an ongoing search effort by John Silvetti to dive on targets that have yet to be investigated.

What is wrong with this picture?

Janet

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THE PERSISTENCE - THE DEPARTURE

Dana Pretzer Show - February 26th 2008


ART WOOD:  Hi Dana, I appreciate you having me on.

Quite frankly, we have some bad news regarding the search for Natalee. As you may or may not know, John Silvetti and his company and the crew of the Persistence has been searching since before Christmas. They have completed an underwater survey, a grid of all the territory they're going to search off the coast of Aruba. They've identified over 100 possible targets that could be Natalee on the ocean floor. They're trying to narrow that list to 30 or 40 more likely targets, they can dive on them however John has informed us that they have run out of money. Actually, if they can't come up with some donations within the next week to 10 days, they're going to be bringing the boat home.

It doesn't mean we're going to give up, the targets are marked and we're going to make every attempt to get the resources together to dive on these targets.

However, Dave Holloway has as we speak been talking to various officials and even asking the arubans to chip in to pay for the expenses.

The cost of fuel and everything for the Persistence, it's cost them over a million $ already and without some charitable contributions, we're going to have to abandon the search at this time. Without contributions, Persistence is coming home and I'm very, very disappointed at that. It would be a tragic end to this mission. We need the search completed even if the chances of finding Natalee are dim, we will never know until we dive on those targets.

Transcript Credit:  Heli
 
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/26/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tuesday-february-26th-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-pat-brown-robert-peters-christopher-lyons-art-wood-and-scared-monkeys/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 07:29:33 PM
The Million Dollar question...What are they waiting for?? ::MonkeyCool::

It's been proven that Schaefer has the $$$$$$$$$ to go back and search at anytime!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 07:34:15 PM
The Million Dollar question...What are they waiting for?? ::MonkeyCool::

I do believe that Kyle Kingman's own words which revealed that John Silvetti allowed the enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains could be the reason a further search effort has not taken place.

I for one will not contribute one Canadian loonie to the scam.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line.

Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:   I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:    John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally do not feel we should disregard the trap or it's contents until we know how that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 07:38:38 PM
Keepthefaith

"Retired" hubby who was called into work today should be home within the hour.  I do believe I will tidy up and ... heat him up some left over Chinese food from last night.  Presentation is where it is at.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a nice evening.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 07:39:28 PM
Keepthefaith

"Retired" hubby who was called into work today should be home within the hour.  I do believe I will tidy up and ... heat him up some left over Chinese food from last night.  Presentation is where it is at.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a nice evening.

Janet





Have a great night Janet.We'll see you later tonight.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Edit:  fixed post in quote.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 07:47:32 PM
Keepthefaith

"Retired" hubby who was called into work today should be home within the hour.  I do believe I will tidy up and ... heat him up some left over Chinese food from last night.  Presentation is where it is at.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a nice evening.

Janet





Have a great night Janet.We'll see you later tonight.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Edit:  fixed post in quote.

Thank You..2nj.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2009, 07:48:46 PM
Good evening Monkeys.  Don't think I am being rude here logging in and not speaking to you.  I just noticed we are under a tornado watch and have some very bad storms heading our way.  Last nights occurred about midnight (just as I thought it would) and it knocked out electricity and blew some Big trees down and uprooted them.  This storm coming toward us now is looking to be bigger than last nights.  So I am logging out for the moment and will see you later on tonight once it passes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2009, 07:51:46 PM
Good evening Monkeys.  Don't think I am being rude here logging in and not speaking to you.  I just noticed we are under a tornado watch and have some very bad storms heading our way.  Last nights occurred about midnight (just as I thought it would) and it knocked out electricity and blew some Big trees down and uprooted them.  This storm coming toward us now is looking to be bigger than last nights.  So I am logging out for the moment and will see you later on tonight once it passes.

Stay safe....hope to see you later. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2009, 08:03:40 PM
I'll say it again!
Quote
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 08:09:53 PM
I'll say it again!
Quote
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!

I'm trusting in the fact that there is calm before the storm... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 08:14:10 PM
After confirming CapsLockGizzard,as well as Mark Purcell being a part of the pond Hoax,one would have hoped that this last search woulda clued people into who the EVIL PEOPLE ARE.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2009, 08:14:26 PM
I'll say it again!
Quote
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!

I'm trusting in the fact that there is calm before the storm... ::MonkeyAngel::

I would like to believe that, but after 4 years --- I doubt it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 11, 2009, 08:16:54 PM
I'll say it again!
Quote
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!

I'm trusting in the fact that there is calm before the storm... ::MonkeyAngel::

I would like to believe that, but after 4 years --- I doubt it!

You're probably right Wreck..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2009, 08:30:30 PM
Sirens going off--I have some pictures of funnel clouds near us out the back door looking north.  Will post later.  See ya-Bye.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 11, 2009, 08:46:41 PM
Sirens going off--I have some pictures of funnel clouds near us out the back door looking north.  Will post later.  See ya-Bye.

 ::MonkeyEek::  I hope all will be well with Blue Moon and the rest of the Moon family. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
Sirens going off--I have some pictures of funnel clouds near us out the back door looking north.  Will post later.  See ya-Bye.

My prayers are with you and yours Blue Moon.  We've had some crazy weather! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2009, 10:00:19 PM
O.K. TM, I think I need our little laughing girl about now.  Whow, that was a trip. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2009, 10:03:29 PM
O.K. TM, I think I need our little laughing girl about now.  Whow, that was a trip. ::MonkeyCool::

Thank goodness you're back!  I know what you mean, I couldn't see it; but I'm pretty sure I heard a tornado last night!  Not a good feeling at all!

here ya go Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2009, 10:08:00 PM
O.K. TM, I think I need our little laughing girl about now.  Whow, that was a trip. ::MonkeyCool::

Thank goodness you're back!  I know what you mean, I couldn't see it; but I'm pretty sure I heard a tornado last night!  Not a good feeling at all!

here ya go Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Thanks, that little girl always make me feel better.  Yes, it is a bad feeling, I could see the funnels up in the sky, the sky was like the end of times.  My son told me I was making him very nervous.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2009, 10:16:04 PM
O.K. TM, I think I need our little laughing girl about now.  Whow, that was a trip. ::MonkeyCool::

Thank goodness you're back!  I know what you mean, I couldn't see it; but I'm pretty sure I heard a tornado last night!  Not a good feeling at all!

here ya go Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Thanks, that little girl always make me feel better.  Yes, it is a bad feeling, I could see the funnels up in the sky, the sky was like the end of times.  My son told me I was making him very nervous.

She always makes me feel better too!  I'm so thankful you made it through that o.k.; sounds really scary!   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2009, 10:34:10 PM
I'll say it again!
Quote
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!

I'm trusting in the fact that there is calm before the storm... ::MonkeyAngel::

I would like to believe that, but after 4 years --- I doubt it!

Wreck, I have to sadly agree with you.  I do not feel like Aruba nor the NL's will do anything in the form of Justice for Natalee.  I will walk along beside this family in their quest for justice but unfortunately it will never come from that hell-hole island nor the NL.  After four years I believe all they are doing is trying to wear us down hoping we will go away.  Not going to happen.  They can count on that.  I hope and pray that Beth writes one final book and unloads it all.  Her book she kept with notes is very valuable and maybe after the Kalpoes are blown out of the water in their lawsuit Beth will share her notes with the world.  It is time. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
I'll say it again!
Quote
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!

I'm trusting in the fact that there is calm before the storm... ::MonkeyAngel::

I would like to believe that, but after 4 years --- I doubt it!
Just a thought .... doesn't the mere fact that the Kalpoes have brought a suit in the U.S. give a "nexus" for possible suits against them by Beth and Dave????
Wreck, I have to sadly agree with you.  I do not feel like Aruba nor the NL's will do anything in the form of Justice for Natalee.  I will walk along beside this family in their quest for justice but unfortunately it will never come from that hell-hole island nor the NL.  After four years I believe all they are doing is trying to wear us down hoping we will go away.  Not going to happen.  They can count on that.  I hope and pray that Beth writes one final book and unloads it all.  Her book she kept with notes is very valuable and maybe after the Kalpoes are blown out of the water in their lawsuit Beth will share her notes with the world.  It is time. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
oops! Sorry.
Should be in response:


Just a thought .... doesn't the mere fact that the Kalpoes have brought a suit in the U.S. give a "nexus" for possible suits against them by Beth and Dave????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2009, 10:55:52 PM
I'll say it again!
Quote
4 years has come and gone. I just feel now is the time for the family to simply come out swinging and tell EVERYTHING they know and let the chips fall where they may. No more waiting for the FBI/State Department/CIA/US Government or anyone else to break the big story or "solve" the case. No more expecting Aruba or the Dutch from pursuing ANYTHING. No more waiting for someone to "trip up" joran.

NO MORE!

I'm trusting in the fact that there is calm before the storm... ::MonkeyAngel::

I would like to believe that, but after 4 years --- I doubt it!
Just a thought .... doesn't the mere fact that the Kalpoes have brought a suit in the U.S. give a "nexus" for possible suits against them by Beth and Dave????
Wreck, I have to sadly agree with you.  I do not feel like Aruba nor the NL's will do anything in the form of Justice for Natalee.  I will walk along beside this family in their quest for justice but unfortunately it will never come from that hell-hole island nor the NL.  After four years I believe all they are doing is trying to wear us down hoping we will go away.  Not going to happen.  They can count on that.  I hope and pray that Beth writes one final book and unloads it all.  Her book she kept with notes is very valuable and maybe after the Kalpoes are blown out of the water in their lawsuit Beth will share her notes with the world.  It is time. JMO


I think they tried to become a part of this suite in the beginning and it was shot down by the judge.  No jurisdiction.  They are a U.S. citizen.  Stupid isn't it?  They can come here and sue Dr. Phil but Beth and Dave cannot go after them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2009, 10:57:11 PM
Correction:

I think they tried to become a part of this suit in the beginning and it was shot down by the judge.  No jurisdiction.  They are not a U.S. citizen.  Stupid isn't it?  They can come here and sue Dr. Phil but Beth and Dave cannot go after them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2009, 11:07:11 PM
Time for me to call it a night.  Too much excitement for me.  Once I figure out how to get those pictures off the blackberry I will post some in the musing thread.  They are awesome.  But I was scared.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2009, 11:13:42 PM
Time for me to call it a night.  Too much excitement for me.  Once I figure out how to get those pictures off the blackberry I will post some in the musing thread.  They are awesome.  But I was scared.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Blue Moon

I am looking forward to those pictures and ... I am thankful that you are safe.

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:12 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2009, 11:22:35 PM
Time for me to call it a night.  Too much excitement for me.  Once I figure out how to get those pictures off the blackberry I will post some in the musing thread.  They are awesome.  But I was scared.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Good night Blue Moon!  I'm looking forward to the pictures!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2009, 11:23:15 PM
Time for me to call it a night.  Too much excitement for me.  Once I figure out how to get those pictures off the blackberry I will post some in the musing thread.  They are awesome.  But I was scared.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Blue Moon

I am looking forward to those pictures and ... I am thankful that you are safe.

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:12 PM

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 12, 2009, 04:21:57 AM
I total agree that as a discussion board, all questions/inquiries that lead to Justice for Natalee should be feverishly pursued. Having said that, what is the end game going down a path that may (at the most) reveal that Dave and/or Tim Miller have afforded entities/persons additional cover to prevent Justice for Natalee? Was it faith in human nature believing that people will always do the right thing make them pawns in the hands of the evil aruban agenda? If so, have they resigned themselves to that fate and are now passively accepted things that portray them as willing accomplishes by accepting the foils of their acts (Tim continuing to work with silvetti/loius s.-which - by the way - results in addition funds/equipment support to TES for other missing person searches while Dave lends credence so he may gain additional search efforts for Natalee (100 + targets) identified yet unexplored?
OK...for the sake of argument...lets say Dave and Tim  were either reluctant or even main participants that afforded aruba with additional help in covering up what happened to Natalee (whether willingly or not).
Lets say Dave and Tim willingly became participants furthering the cover up (I don't believe this!).
What would be their end game?
I don't believe for a second that either Dave or Tim would do anything that would distract from obtaining Justice for Natalee......
I do believe there is a conspiracy involving those who orchestrated the persistence search (specifically silvetti, louis s, now kyle kingman and tim trahan, backed by ata/ahata, aruba pm, om, jpk2....julia,mark p)...
So please, anyone, tell me what there is to gain in obtaining Justice for Natalee by dragging down Dave/Tim? I only see dragging down Dave/Tim, and that won't bring Justice for Natalee!
Justice for Natalee will be successful if the persistence/silvetti/louis s/kingman/trahan/julia/purcell/pm/om/aruba divers trap recovery/ roles are revealed.
Keep on the critical path to find Justice for Natalee........don't get worked up on a side track just because time passes and there is no observable progress...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 12, 2009, 04:25:42 AM
Good Night good monkeys......
Stay safe in the extreme storm areas......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 10:20:39 AM
Kyle Kingman:
1.  Internet posts reveal that Kyle was troubled by the events encompassing the contents of the trap
2.  Kyle backtracks
3.  Kyle has an on-going professional relationship with John Silvetti (Norway/Egypt).


Tim Miller:
1.  According to Kyle Kingman's own words it is revealed that Tim Miller was troubled by the events encompassing the contents of the trap
2.  Tim is silent.
3.  Tim has an on-going professional relationship with John Silvetti (TES).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 10:25:10 AM
Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM »


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth. I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...  

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 11:38:31 AM
Those with an Aruban agenda who post on the RU and BNH forums ... despictably bash Beth Holloway's every word ... action ... motivation in her quest for answers while respectively uphold Dave Holloway.

Why?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 12:00:53 PM
DAVE HOLLOWAY

Robin Holloway - December, 2007


... As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


JULIA RENFRO

Seattle Times - June 9, 2007


Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


MARK PURCELL

Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm


For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.


August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 12, 2009, 12:31:41 PM
Good Morning Monkey's... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 12:43:18 PM
In the fall of 2006 ... assuming that Robin and Dave Holloway were being deceiptively used by the darkside ... they BOTH were made aware of posts which Mark Purcell had submitted to various internet forums ... posts that implied an Aruban agenda ... posts that despicably undermine Natalee and her family while ... at the same time ... putting Julia Renfro on a pedestal as well as defending the main suspects.  It was all for naught.

Why?

Janet

++++++

ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Blogs for Natalee

Robin Holloway:
  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


MARK PURCELL/MIP6/DOC HOLLADAY

August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16


I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191


Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag banshee of a mother.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:09 pm
We will be partying tonight at Kokoa Bar at the De Palm pier it will be there last night at that location so we are going to be giving them a big send off for there last night.  If Natalee shows up for the party I'll be sure to find the closest internet connection and let everyone know.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
Doesn’t surprise me any that Debbie would do that. The title of this thread is “Debbie’s Integrity” should read “Debbie’s total lack of Morals & Integrity”. She is the head cheerleader for all things Twitty / Holloway. Someone mentioned to me that Debbie was just being “used” by the family to move the family agenda forward, I called Bullshit, Debbie knows exactly what she is doing. This is a blatant attempt to smear Julia because the Twitholes fear her knowledge of what they did here in Aruba. Just like all others who where close to the family in the beginning, they now have put in play a planned focused effort to discredit Julia. This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag banshee of a mother.

Holladay PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:14 pm
I see we have a couple of f*** nuggets trying to make Julia look like the bad guy (gal) again.  Don’t you Kool-Aid drinking fucktards (damn I love that word) understand yet, I and I assume many on this board will believe what Julia has to say over anything Beth ever puts forward from her journal of lies and fabrication.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.

Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 12, 2009, 01:05:43 PM
I total agree that as a discussion board, all questions/inquiries that lead to Justice for Natalee should be feverishly pursued. Having said that, what is the end game going down a path that may (at the most) reveal that Dave and/or Tim Miller have afforded entities/persons additional cover to prevent Justice for Natalee? Was it faith in human nature believing that people will always do the right thing make them pawns in the hands of the evil aruban agenda? If so, have they resigned themselves to that fate and are now passively accepted things that portray them as willing accomplishes by accepting the foils of their acts (Tim continuing to work with silvetti/loius s.-which - by the way - results in addition funds/equipment support to TES for other missing person searches while Dave lends credence so he may gain additional search efforts for Natalee (100 + targets) identified yet unexplored?
OK...for the sake of argument...lets say Dave and Tim  were either reluctant or even main participants that afforded aruba with additional help in covering up what happened to Natalee (whether willingly or not).
Lets say Dave and Tim willingly became participants furthering the cover up (I don't believe this!).
What would be their end game?
I don't believe for a second that either Dave or Tim would do anything that would distract from obtaining Justice for Natalee......
I do believe there is a conspiracy involving those who orchestrated the persistence search (specifically silvetti, louis s, now kyle kingman and tim trahan, backed by ata/ahata, aruba pm, om, jpk2....julia,mark p)...
So please, anyone, tell me what there is to gain in obtaining Justice for Natalee by dragging down Dave/Tim? I only see dragging down Dave/Tim, and that won't bring Justice for Natalee!
Justice for Natalee will be successful if the persistence/silvetti/louis s/kingman/trahan/julia/purcell/pm/om/aruba divers trap recovery/ roles are revealed.
Keep on the critical path to find Justice for Natalee........don't get worked up on a side track just because time passes and there is no observable progress...


Thank you billb, you have put into words what I have been thinking.  Robin is another story, but I will not throw Tim Miller or Dave Holloway under the bus. They may be too trusting, but never would they do anything knownly, to harm the search for answers as to what happened to Natalee.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 12, 2009, 01:21:53 PM
Me personnally,i'm not done asking questions!If asking questions is throwing people under the bus,throw me the keys.In terms of staying on the critical path.Never knew i was off the path!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 01:42:18 PM
Me personnally,i'm not done asking questions!If asking questions is throwing people under the bus,throw me the keys.In terms of staying on the critical path.Never knew i was off the path!

My sentiments exactly!!

Thanks Keepthefaith.

Have a good day Monkeys.

Later, Janet
10:40 AM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 12, 2009, 01:45:16 PM
Me personnally,i'm not done asking questions!If asking questions is throwing people under the bus,throw me the keys.In terms of staying on the critical path.Never knew i was off the path!

My sentiments exactly!!

Thanks Keepthefaith.

Have a good day Monkeys.

Later, Janet
10:40 AM PT



Have a great day Janet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 04:04:46 PM
I am back home for a few minutes and ... then out again.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I just received an email reminding me a Tim Miller and John Silvetti/Louis Schaeffer venture involving Kurtis Productions took place following the unchallenged recovery of the contents of the the cage ... following the Dateline departure from the Persistence.

Could it be that the foundation phase of this undertaking ... which focused around Tim Miller and TES ...  took place when Bill Kurtis was on the Island in January, 2008?

Janet

++++++


THE DOCUMENTARY

SEPTEMBER, 2008 - UNITED STATES

Big Spender
 
Upcoming Airings:
Thursday, September 18 @ 11pm/10C
Friday, September 19 @ 3am/2C
Sunday, September 21 @ 4pm/3C


Bill Kurtis hosts this documentary special that looks at the case that shocked the nation–the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba on May 30, 2005. Natalee was last seen alive leaving a bar with three young local men, who became the prime suspects. Natalee’s mother, Beth, is convinced that the men know what happened to her daughter, but authorities have been unable to come up with definitive proof that they are responsible for her death. Kurtis examines the key questions in the case: Will Natalee’s body ever be found? Why can’t authorities solve the case? And where did the investigation go wrong?

http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=360922&airingid=360996


JANUARY, 2009 - NEW ZEALAND

What Happened To Natalee Holloway
CRIME & INVESTIGATION – Sunday 11 January, 9.30pm


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them, a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway

http://www.throng.co.nz/documentary/what-happened-natalee-holloway


MARCH, 2009 - ASIA

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search.  I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08: We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.

Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 12, 2009, 04:11:36 PM
So,after the cage discovery/recovery did the people on the Persistence stay down there to make a documentary?? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 04:43:43 PM
Monkeys

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that exposed John Silvetti's participation with the Arubans in the finale to the coverup agenda that has prevented justice for Natalee Holloway from prevailing since the morning of May 30, 2005.

When I scan the OIL & GAS PIPELINE INFO Thread ... it is obvious that Monkeys believe that the John Silvetti betrayal must be researched and exposed in the the name of justice of Natalee Holloway.  Although I feel completely out of the loop in this effort ... I support it 100% nevertheless.

On the other hand ... I am a believer that those who are personally aware of the John Silvetti betrayal ... but choose to remain silent while continuing a professional relationship with Silvetti ... with those who embrace an Aruban agenda ... are also participants in the Aruban coverup.

Justice for Natalee Holloway will always be my focus and ... those who deter this objective will not be given a free pass no matter who they are.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 04:56:06 PM
So,after the cage discovery/recovery did the people on the Persistence stay down there to make a documentary?? ::MonkeyConfused::

Keepthefaith

I apologize.  ONly one of the quotes I provided in my previous post was applicable.

Considering Bill Kurtis was on the Island at the end of January, 2008 ... I suspect the Persistence left Aruba following the production of the documentary.

I believe that targets were being investigated in the period following the recovery of the contents of the trap on January 7, 2008.

Jen may be able to expand on this topic.

Janet

+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08:
We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information


The Search for Natalee Holloway
XVIII. Sonar Search Complete
 Update: Mon 03-March 1345 hrs


With the sonar search completed, the RV Persistence sets sail heading to its home port in Louisiana. With mixed emotions, the search team returns home. When we arrived in Aruba in mid-December we were mentally prepared to return home either having found Natalee, or after having exhausted all possibilities in the quest to find her. It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase. We are thankful for the outpouring of generosity, love, support, and prayers throughout the entire search effort.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xviii-sonar-search-complete.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 12, 2009, 04:59:08 PM
Why did Silvetti feel he had to mention hate sites & defend his purpose in the search?   This has always bothered me.   I think it was in the first video:

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 05:06:56 PM
Monkeys

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that exposed John Silvetti's participation with the Arubans in the finale to the coverup agenda that has prevented justice for Natalee Holloway from prevailing since the morning of May 30, 2005.

When I scan the OIL & GAS PIPELINE INFO Thread ... it is obvious that Monkeys believe that the John Silvetti betrayal must be researched and exposed in the the name of justice of Natalee Holloway.  Although I feel completely out of the loop in this effort ... I support it 100% nevertheless.

On the other hand ... I am a believer that those who are personally aware of the John Silvetti betrayal ... but choose to remain silent while continuing a professional relationship with Silvetti ... with those who embrace an Aruban agenda ... are also participants in the Aruban coverup.

Justice for Natalee Holloway will always be my focus and ... those who deter this objective will not be given a free pass no matter who they are.

Janet

Monkeys are all one in the contention that Kyle Kingman should not be given a free pass for not being forthcoming to Beth Holloway or the FBI regarding his genuine concerns encompassing the the trap.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08
:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. i would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 05:10:34 PM
Gotta go!

Friend just drove up the driveway.  I am shopping for a dress to wear to a family wedding on July 11th.  I trust her judgement.  I do believe I will take her out for dinner later.

Janet
2:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 12, 2009, 05:11:58 PM
Have a great day Janet..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 06:32:59 PM
Why did Silvetti feel he had to mention hate sites & defend his purpose in the search?   This has always bothered me.   I think it was in the first video:

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html



Silvetti's comment about that starts at :58

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/EENVANDAAG_1Persistence_0001.flv


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 12, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
Why did Silvetti feel he had to mention hate sites & defend his purpose in the search?   This has always bothered me.   I think it was in the first video:

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html



Silvetti's comment about that starts at :58

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/EENVANDAAG_1Persistence_0001.flv

Did Silvetti bring it up himself or was there a question posed to him?Couldn't hear..Maybe edited?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 12, 2009, 07:17:01 PM
Good evening all. 

I posted a picture of the tornado forming above my house in Musings.  I also posted an update on my sister's surgery.

I need to do some catching up so talk to yall later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 07:42:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57998.php

Google translation:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 07:44:45 PM
Why did Silvetti feel he had to mention hate sites & defend his purpose in the search?   This has always bothered me.   I think it was in the first video:

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html



Silvetti's comment about that starts at :58

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/EENVANDAAG_1Persistence_0001.flv


Did Silvetti bring it up himself or was there a question posed to him?Couldn't hear..Maybe edited?

I think oil was mentioned in the statement by the reporter just prior to Silvetti's comment.  I really would like a transcript of that show!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 07:45:39 PM
Good evening all. 

I posted a picture of the tornado forming above my house in Musings.  I also posted an update on my sister's surgery.

I need to do some catching up so talk to yall later.

Thanks Blue Moon! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 07:58:49 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58005.php

Google translation:

'Closing Valero political game'

12 Jun, 2009, 15:21 (GMT -04:00)

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Valero refinery in San Nicolas close because of expected losses for three months already its doors.

SAN NICOLAS - Oil refinery Valero stops due to high oil prices and the global recession for three months to produce. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) called the temporary closure 'suspicious'. He suspects that there is a political game. Workers have been worried at the news that came yesterday afternoon, although union Iouwa it was somewhat likely that it no longer could.

Premier Oduber said this morning that the suspect is that the refinery shortly before the election decision to temporarily close. He gives to know that the opposition (ASF) with Valero speaks. "In a democratic country can not with the government and the opposition 'dealing'. You mix in your internal affairs. "
Oduber expects the refinery to reopen as soon as the weather money. "They (Valero, ed) to know exactly how it is. They know how much to invest, they know that December 31, 2010 the tax holiday expires. Let us sit together and talk about it. Something acceptable and realistic. They want a lot of money for the refinery, which continues the discussion. I doubt that the refinery closes. Everybody wants money. If the refinery money he will keep running. The refinery is in a reasonable state, has a good port, but is not entirely of our time. "According to experts, there is 2.5 billion dollars necessary to him for a period of ten years to keep running, says the Prime Minister.

On the other hand Oduber says that there can be no guarantee that the refinery finally closes its doors. "We will also contact the top of Petro China and we're going to ask to buy or not?

The government wants as soon as possible call with Valero to clarify. "We can not have two, three months of uncertainty remain."

In an email to all employees late Valero-boss Bill Klees know that the Texas company expects losses in the second quarter. The sharp increase in oil prices, the margins become so small that it is not worthwhile to continue to produce. There is still sufficient supply of the products Valero Aruba produces, making the company its prices can not throw up. It now hopes to create a scarcity which may have a number of months it profitable to operate. In Klees hold a Battle of the arm or the refinery in San Nicolas actually three months from opening. It is after this first period and then reviewed again decided whether Valero Aruba back in production.

The conclusion is now used to carry out maintenance at the refinery. None of the more than 700 permanent workers are fired. Guarantees for the longer term, however, not given, as also industrial Iouwa know. The association has the news yesterday of the Executive Board hearing. Today consult the union with its members to take. Trade Union Leader Boy Anthony says that given the current economic situation is not 'can be affected. "Workers are worried, but it was to be expected. The first months of the year were very bad and also the last half year of 2008 was not good. The production was already at 133,000 barrels, while normal is 225,000. "

He is also no news on negotiations between Valero and the Government on the future of the refinery. Whether the company already has found a buyer is not known says Anthony.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 08:02:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58004.php

Google translation:

"Valero close by BBO and government

12 Jun, 2009, 15:18 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - AVP-leader Mike Eman blames the conclusion of the sales tax Valero BBO and the unprofessional attitude of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. According to Eman Bill Klees several occasions have complained about the tax policy on the island, that from one day to the other would change.

Valero would be after false promises by the government on fiscal policy are persuaded to take over the refinery. Eman says Klees by themselves have been told the current fiscal circumstances, the reason for the temporary closure. The party says in the possession of a letter from Klees stating that under the current policy BBO see no way for the refinery to continue operating. Valero would the Government have offered to pay profit tax instead of BBO.

According to the PDR party underlines the fact that the Government through the press to know that Valero had to temporarily close its doors, the poor relationship between the government and the oil companies. "It even gives the impression that there is more behind the closure is only the global demand for oil." The party says at the table to sit down with employees, subcontractors and other interested parties to better insight into the reasons for the closure .

Stretch
"I wonder how Valero in a short time is fully operational after a shutdown," said Chamber of Commerce President Edwin Roos. "When Lago once ceased its operations, it took a whole year before it was operational again." Roos is unlikely that the refinery to the conclusion it will resume operations again. "The refinery on Aruba processed oil into diesel and jetfuel. The diesel they produce is not suitable for the U.S. market because it has a high sulfur content. These experts would be a renovation of the refinery to all the current measures to bring some two billion dollar cost. This has inter alia the sale hitherto hindered. The asking themselves between half and two billion. "Rose points to a mention by Valero's arguments for the temporary closing stretch. "Valero has always bought its oil on the spot market, hence the consistently the best price. This means that the risk and hence the margins have remained virtually flat. "Rose finally points to an interview that Bill Klees earlier this year, which he indicated that where Valero refineries off will and will not be sold, most likely permanently close.

"When we heard yesterday that Valero three months closing, we were scared," said Mayra Oduber, Director of Finance lasbedrijf Oduber Contractor. "We assume that a closure of three months." Oduber According to the company can handle this. "We are independent of Valero projects with other major companies such as WEB, Aruba Ports Authority, Wickland Oil Company and have enough work for the next time." Forty percent of the projects of Oduber Contractor with Valero, but the projects are Valero are continuing. "Could not open Valero than facing the company with injury and then we go for plan B", said Oduber.

Stephen Daal, chairman of ATIA employers would no comment on the closure of Valero. "I have received news only today and I am not in the wild way to say something about this."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 08:22:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57998.php

Google translation:

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Aruba

New prosecutors appointed

12 Jun, 2009, 15:07 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Peter Blanken follows a September 1 to head officer Hans Mos. Mos departure to St. Maarten for the new Public Ministry to continue as the island country status. Also today is the successor to Prosecutor Kasper van der Schaft published, whose contract ends in November. Jaap Zondervan follows him by October 1 or earlier if possible themselves. Blanken is currently deputy chief Advocate General in Amsterdam. Zondervan is now Public Prosecutor of the district prosecutor in Middelburg.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 08:36:40 PM
http://www.om.nl/organisatie/landelijke_0/ressortsparket/cv's_parketleiding/?vakjargoninline=true

Google translation:

Principal Attorney General
Jan Eland
Deputy Chief Attorney General
Peter Blanken
Peter Blanken studied Dutch law at Utrecht, he worked several years at the then Ministry of Health and Environmental Protection, where he more Deputy Head of the Department of Environmental Professionals has been. Subsequently, he joined the Ministry of Defense to work as head of the Department of Administrative, Criminal and Disciplinary. In September 1993, Peter Blanken Prosecutor become in the district of Rotterdam. He was district officer for Delfshaven and Overschie team and later became head of the districts and Delfshaven Center. Since August 2005, Peter Blanken Deputy Advocate General of the ressorstparket Amsterdam. In addition, Peter Blanken active as Chairman of the Board of Appeal for Examinations at INHOLLAND Rotterdam, and editor of sections 147b and 147c of Schuurmans and Jordens, implementing regulations of the Environmental Management Act.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 08:43:57 PM
This doesn't have his most recent assignment from 2005 to Amsterdam.  But if this is the right one, he's 58 years old.

http://www.pj-design.nl/burhoven/antecedenten-juristen-b.htm

BLANK P.G. , Born November 1950
NLRM 94 95 96 97 98 99/00
Head of Administration, Criminal and Disciplinary Defense Ministry
Deputy Prosecutor district prosecutor Rotterdam 1 September, 1993
District Prosecutor district prosecutor Rotterdam 1 September, 1994
District Prosecutor 1st kl. district prosecutor Rotterdam1 January 1999
NOW
Rotterdam prosecutor


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 08:45:35 PM
This doesn't have his most recent assignment from 2005 to Amsterdam.  But if this is the right one, he's 58 years old.

http://www.pj-design.nl/burhoven/antecedenten-juristen-b.htm

BLANK P.G. , Born November 1950
NLRM 94 95 96 97 98 99/00
Head of Administration, Criminal and Disciplinary Defense Ministry
Deputy Prosecutor district prosecutor Rotterdam 1 September, 1993
District Prosecutor district prosecutor Rotterdam 1 September, 1994
District Prosecutor 1st kl. district prosecutor Rotterdam1 January 1999
NOW
Rotterdam prosecutor

This is the original text (I didn't notice before that the translation shortened his name)

BLANKEN P.G. , geboren nov 1950
NLRM 94 95 96 97 98 99/00
Hoofd afdeling Bestuur-, Straf- en Tuchtrecht Ministerie van Defensie
Plaatsvervangend Officier van Justitie arrondissementsparket Rotterdam 1 sep 1993
Arrondissementsofficier van Justitie arrondissementsparket Rotterdam 1 sep 1994
Arrondissementsofficier van Justitie 1e kl. arrondissementsparket Rotterdam1 januari 1999
NU
Rotterdam parket


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 12, 2009, 09:16:43 PM

I hope caesu will stop by soon and share what he can find out about Mos' replacement!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 09:33:04 PM
Why is there no mention in Kyle Kingman blog of Kurtis Productions being on board the Persistence filming a documentary?  Kyle shared with the Natalee's Freebirds on February 12, 2008 that there would be a film crew on board the Persistence.

Why did the Persistence leave Aruban waters on March 3, 2008 following a February 27, 2008 outreach of donations ... donations that were to be designated to TES?  Comments on Kyle Kingman's blog in response the the outreach was very positive.

Considering an search undertaking has not returned to Aruba to check on the remaining targets that have not been investigation ... what happened to those donations?  Is there no accountability?

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08:
We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information


THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

XVI. Recent Development - February 1st - February 8th
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xvi-recent-development.html

XVII. Support the Effort - February 8th - February 27
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html

Kyle Kingman - 02/27/08: Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman

XVIII. Sonar Search Complete - February 29th - March 3rd
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xviii-sonar-search-complete.html


THE DOCUMENTARY

What Happened to Natalee Holloway? - March, 2009

In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 09:36:51 PM
Has Blue Moon checked in with anybody?

I pray that all is going well with her sister's major surgery.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 09:46:20 PM

I hope caesu will stop by soon and share what he can find out about Mos' replacement!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Private Eye had it figured out over a year ago. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Why should this guy be any different from Karin Janssen, Hans Mos and the Dutch investigation team.  Either there was a coverup or ... they are all so incompetent that a seventeen year old outsmarted them all.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Janet

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private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 12, 2009, 09:54:08 PM
Has Blue Moon checked in with anybody?

I pray that all is going well with her sister's major surgery.

Janet

She made a post in the prayer thread.  She said her sister would probably be out of the operating room about 10 pm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 10:01:52 PM
Has Blue Moon checked in with anybody?

I pray that all is going well with her sister's major surgery.

Janet

She made a post in the prayer thread.  She said her sister would probably be out of the operating room about 10 pm.

Thanks KlaasSan.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 10:05:45 PM

I hope caesu will stop by soon and share what he can find out about Mos' replacement!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Private Eye had it figured out over a year ago. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Why should this guy be any different from Karin Janssen, Hans Mos and the Dutch investigation team.  Either there was a coverup or ... they are all so incompetent that a seventeen year old outsmarted them all.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Janet

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private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750



The prosecutor in Aruba is appointed by the "powers that be" in Holland.

Janet

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On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 10:41:04 PM
One week prio to the Persistence suddenly making the decision to leave Aruban waters ...

Janet

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Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008


"I've been trying to put this together for two and a half years...Louis Schaefer came forward with John Silvetti."
(transcript credit: texasmom)

Video:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 11:00:09 PM
The following article implies that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were involved from the getgo in the planning stages of the search in Aruban waters for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

Considering Dave Holloway and Tim Miller's indepth knowledge of the dynamics encompassing the Aruban coverup ... I cannot comprehend why these men would be participants of such a huge undertaking without assurance that there would be an FBI presence if anything that appeared to be case related was discovered.  Allowing the enemy to take unchallenged sole possession does not make sense.

Janet

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THE BEGINNING -

From here to Aruba
BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Published/Last Modified on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST


An expedition to search the waters off Aruba for the remains of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway leaves today from the Port of Iberia.

The research vessel Persistence, owned by the Lafayette-based Silvetti Group, will make the 10-day journey to the island. A 20- to 25-man crew will spend at least two weeks surveying the sea floor for Holloway, who has been missing since May 30, 2005.

Holloway, 18, was last seen leaving a bar with three men hours before she was scheduled to fly home with high school classmates celebrating their graduation.  Last week, police re-arrested the three men, prompting her father to re-launch the search in deep waters.

John Silvetti said his company became involved in the search after he was contacted by Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer had been approached by Texas Equusearch, a non-profit organization that has been searching for Holloway for more than two years.

Schaefer asked Silvetti if he could provide the survey personnel and the geophysical equipment required for the search. After spending a weekend with Schaefer and Pam and Dave Holloway, Silvetti agreed.

“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

Silvetti agreed to provide his equipment and primary survey vessel at well below cost, with Schaefer covering all out-of-pocket expenses. Silvetti said his staff volunteered its services for the project as well.

“They said ‘You don’t even have to pay me. I just want to help,’” Silvetti said. “That just tells me we’ve got the right people on board.”

Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body.

To upgrade its systems for the terrain in Aruba, Broussard said the Silvetti Group looked to its vendors, two of which are based in New Iberia.

Seatronics, located at the Port of Iberia, agreed to donate some of its high-tech electronic equipment to scan the ocean floor.

“I told (Silvetti) any opportunity that we had to go in on such a good cause, we would go in on it,” said Erik McGuire, vice president of Seatronics Inc.

“We’re more than happy to give the best effort possible to recover this girl for her family.”

Pro Log Inc. also stepped forth to provide a command center building where all of the surveying equipment will be stored. Like many people around the country, Pro Log Human Resources Director Heidi Parker said she has been following Holloway’s disappearance closely.

“We’re a family-owned business, so family is very important to us,” Parker said. “Anything we can do to help this family out is something that we’re going to do.”

After more than two years of searching, Texas Equusearch office manager Cheryl Lawless said she is hoping the organization’s fifth trip to Aruba will be its last. She said the venture would not be possible without the help of Schaefer, Silvetti and the other local companies.

“Nothing is being done to gain name recognition. This is to help these people,” Silvetti said. “Most of us have watched this on television, and I can only imagine the horror any parent would go through searching for their child in a foreign country.”

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE - THE GAME WAS FIXED

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2009, 11:06:09 PM
Scrabble tournament (four couples) at the home of neighbours.  I am already wiped and ready to hit the hay.  I hope I get a second wind.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I will check in later tonight for an anticipated update from Blue Moon.

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:05 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 12, 2009, 11:17:39 PM
Has Blue Moon checked in with anybody?

I pray that all is going well with her sister's major surgery.

Janet

Just posted in the prayer thread.  All is well except for a bad, bad, bad headache.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 12, 2009, 11:53:57 PM
Why did Silvetti feel he had to mention hate sites & defend his purpose in the search?   This has always bothered me.   I think it was in the first video:

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html



Silvetti's comment about that starts at :58

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/EENVANDAAG_1Persistence_0001.flv

Thank you, TM.....we went out just after I posted....may have to revisit this in the AM. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 12:17:36 AM
Why did Silvetti feel he had to mention hate sites & defend his purpose in the search?   This has always bothered me.   I think it was in the first video:

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html



Silvetti's comment about that starts at :58

http://i21.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/EENVANDAAG_1Persistence_0001.flv

Thank you, TM.....we went out just after I posted....may have to revisit this in the AM. 

You're welcome 2NJ!  All three parts of that video are over in the last or next to last page of the ocean thread if anyone hasn't seen them already.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 12:54:00 AM
6/13/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

brinkman wanted for rijksrecherche investiga trabao of recherchenan in caso holloway the mocion owing to wordo rechaza

member of parliament iron brinkman is haciendo all sort of salto for place one imagen negative on the islands of kingdom. in the caso here is talk specificamente of aruba again.

according informacion cu we is dispone of dje, the week here one mocion of dje owing to wordo rechaza caminda past owing to ask for let autoridadnan dutch haci one investigacion of the part investigativo in caso natalee holloway.

the informe cu we owing to ricibi is indica cu parliament dutch tuesday ultimo owing to rechaza one another mocion of iron brinkman cu owing to ask for one investigacion of detectivenan dutch (rijksrecherche) on desaparicion of the young mericano natalee holloway at aruba day 30 of mei, 2005.

thing cu brinkman was wanted is p’e detectivenan here study particularmente the first 10 dianan of the desaparicion of the child muher mericano here.

secretario of estado ank bijleveld- schouten owing to show in one meeting of week happen in parliament cu recherchenan dutch not have the autoridad for investiga at aruba. past owing to splica the parlamentarionan also cu landsrecherche already end is realisando one investigacion so. in the mocion here only pvv, of geert wilders, owing to give support at iron brinkman.

of another near can owing to read recientemente in the corant telegraaf cu soon will bay have in theatre one musical titula “natalee” y cual work will draai rond of the young, joran y the mother of natalee.

we of part of awemainta wanted informa, cu have one investigacion is being haci end, by of procurador general of aruba, mr. robert pietersz, after cu minister rudy croes owing to ask this, specialmente on the paper cu the time ey comisario jan van der straten was envolvi cu the investigacion here.

of acuerdo cu we informacion, the investigacion here is in his phase end, y dentro of 2 for 3 week this will is cla. because; cu minister of husticia, rudy croes publicamente owing to demanda p’e investigacion here, cu also iron brinkman know, we is believe cu ministerio publico also have duty of informa result of the investigacion here, cu as menciona is dirigi specificamente on the paper of ex comisario jan van der straten.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 01:01:14 AM
6/13/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

ministerio publico owing to anuncia 2 fiscal new, but not owing to anuncia the advocate general new still

procurador-general, mr. robert pietersz owing to anuncia cu conseho of ministro owing to bay of acuerdo cu his proposicion for named after two fiscal, new. is deal di: 1. mr. pieter g. blanken, naci 17 of july 1950 at the netherlands, that owing to wordo named after because; fiscal parent entrante 1 of september 2009. mr. blanken is trahando actualmente because; boss advocate general suplente at amsterdam. the will reemplaza fiscal parent saliente, mr. hans mos mr. jaap zondervan, naci 24 of july 1957 at the netherlands, that will reemplaza fiscal saliente mr. kasper van der schaft entrante first of october 2009 or more liher posible. mr. zondervan is actualmente trahando because; fiscal at parket of arrondissement at middelburg.

one decision cu tey for wordo take, but not owing to stay anuncia still, is cu will fill the vactura of advocate general (ag), y have the proposicion for named after mr. taco stein, that is work actualmente because; fiscal at st. maarten y now is come aruba, for re-enforza the team of ministerio publico.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 01:02:26 AM
Mr. Taco Stein...  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 01:17:57 AM
6/13/2009 Awe Mainta Page 23

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Papiamentu translation:

aruba: percepcion, imaginacion y opinion

pa: clyde harms

after of all the bad propaganda cu we island owing to ricibi of dr. phil, nancy grace, beth holloway twitty y others of prensa americano, will do you believe cu aruba y arubianonan owing to stay bad see at merca, cu the percepcion cu mericanonan have of aruba is one percepcion negative.

after of my ultimo visit at massachussetts caminda i have bay for presencia graduacion of one grandson, my had some experiencia cu owing to lagami much satisfecho. porcierto, they owing to lagami convenci cu imagen of aruba is self high cu always. in the parking lot of gillette stadium at foxboro caminda my madam y i owing to bay look at one game of major league soccer, had one are enough big cu had one “tailgate party”. because; my madam not was conoce the fenomeno here, i have acerca they for ask permission p’e can see of close kico was pasando y alabes ask permission for saca potret of they. hour cu i have menciona cu we was of aruba, the are not was know kico they can owing to haci for we.

“aruba?! we love aruba!” “bin take one beer! we have budweiser, samuel adams, y more. is balashi only we not have.” “boso does not come cu we?” “mira what we have on candela, spaghetti bolognese. have much another cos! hamburgers, hotdogs, all clase of sandwich.” “nos all owing to arrive of visit aruba y we is contento of have two aruban cu we here at massachusetts.” hour cu we owing to enter stadion we curason was complete of proud y gladness.

another experiencia cu owing to resalta the cariño cu hendenan of massachusetts have for aruba was at wesley united methodist church of hadley, close of springfield. we owing to bay one concierto of the good vibrations tour of new england ringers, one are of 15 person cu is toca belnan of musica. i have arrive of look at tocamento of thigh at television, but never bibo y of so close. because; cu on the declaration of policy was prohibi for saca potret, at pauze i have bay talk cu the asistente of the director for my achieve permission. at cuminsamento the contesta was negative, but hour i have menciona cu we is of aruba, the actitud of madam owing to change completamente. “aruba! what owing to fine island!” “mi is bay talk cu the director y see con we can regulation algo pabo.” one rato after the madam owing to come bisami cu after of take they “curtain call” the are will leave bay in sitting-room, but they will go back for my can saca potret of the are y ask about kico cu my wanted of the are y the instrumentnan. again, the afinidad strong cu the hendenan here have for cu aruba owing to stay comproba.

at new jersey my was core in the canal of emergencia, because my was busca one store y my had fright of pas’e. in esey one police stop cant’i caminda owing to parami y owing to indicami for wing fo’y caminda. “bo’n know cu do you do not permiti core in the canal of emergencia? ‘nami do you papelnan! esakinan is of the car. do you rijbewijs! … rijbewijs of aruba!?! do you know cu i owing to bay aruba various trip for entrena polisnan of aruba. i love aruba. is one island encantador cu hendenan very simpatico. mr. harms, i am lagabo bay without dunabo one but, because are you of aruba. but corda good, not core in canal of emergencia. y day my bay aruba again will my contact do you. prepara some balashi good cold!” obviamente, all the propaganda bad of aruba not owing to afecta the love cu the police here have for we island.

my yerno is contami cu the was in one store one day cu the had dress one t-shirt cu aruba scholarship foundation in pecho. one madam cu the not was conoce owing to bis’e “esey is one joke, not? the foundation ey is existi?” naturally the is existi, my father-in-law is his president y they're help much child aruban come study here at merca. pakico are you believe cu is one joke?” “wel, i self not owing to arrive of bay aruba still, but of all thing i am read y hear of aruba, the island have to is one paraiso caminda everybody is happy y contento y they not have of bay study for haci thing they're haci.” the opinion of the madam here is much artificial, but considerando cu past owing to deriva his opinion of thing past owing to hear y read, is obvio cu natalee holloway not owing to afecta his pensamentonan.

three experiencia statisticamente do not defini the atitud of the people, but pami they're one indicacion much strong cu despite of all the esfuersonan of nancy grace, dr phil y beth twitty, aruba y his hendenan is follow goza of one love y cariño of mericanonan. let we resolve for haci all cu we can for we can follow goza of they confiansa.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 01:28:43 AM


Too bad I didn't have the opportunity to tell Mr. Harms what I think about Aruba.  :smt097 

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 01:49:37 AM


Too bad I didn't have the opportunity to tell Mr. Harms what I think about Aruba.  :smt097 

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Calm down TM..You're getting worked up again! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 01:57:16 AM


Too bad I didn't have the opportunity to tell Mr. Harms what I think about Aruba.  :smt097 

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Calm down TM..You're getting worked up again! ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:07:31 AM
Good evening Ktf and TM.....
Did I hear someone say 3 - 1...
I may be wrong...it may be in 5..not six.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:08:50 AM
Good evening Ktf and TM.....
Did I hear someone say 3 - 1...
I may be wrong...it may be in 5..not six.... ::MonkeyCool::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:09:53 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 02:10:22 AM
Good evening Ktf and TM.....
Did I hear someone say 3 - 1...
I may be wrong...it may be in 5..not six.... ::MonkeyCool::

If the Black Mamba  wants to add to his Legacy...He'll close it out in 5... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:15:27 AM
My 85 yr old Dad is visiting to celebrate my youngest daughters high school graduation...He is from Dallas....and very worried about all the storm/tornado activities back home....
San Diego weather has been weird also....overcast and humid with changes of thunderstorms/lighting in the mountains...We are in the foot hills and today my Dad suggested the weather is as unstable here as in Dallas....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:16:00 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

FWIW, I agreed with you!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:16:46 AM
Good evening Ktf and TM.....
Did I hear someone say 3 - 1...
I may be wrong...it may be in 5..not six.... ::MonkeyCool::

If the Black Mamba  wants to add to his Legacy...He'll close it out in 5... ::MonkeyDance::
I'm thinking 6 so he can close it out at home....but it is very risking letting 5 get away....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 02:18:14 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:19:09 AM
My 85 yr old Dad is visiting to celebrate my youngest daughters high school graduation...He is from Dallas....and very worried about all the storm/tornado activities back home....
San Diego weather has been weird also....overcast and humid with changes of thunderstorms/lighting in the mountains...We are in the foot hills and today my Dad suggested the weather is as unstable here as in Dallas....

That's great that he's there to see her graduate!  Yes, the weather has been really crazy here.  I think some in the Dallas area had more flooding than we did, but there were some vicious thunderstorms that dumped a lot of rain on all of us.  It's been miserably hot here too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:21:50 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::

Mine too!  It's just too much to think about sometimes...I just have to walk away from it for a while and do something else.  It's very frustrating!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:23:29 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 02:27:29 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::

Mine too!  It's just too much to think about sometimes...I just have to walk away from it for a while and do something else.  It's very frustrating!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I do believe,we need to be able to keep an open channel of communication for this type of tough dialogue yet,as Billb said,not get detracted from the goal!It's very gratifying to be able to disagree without drive-by's,name calling,etc,etc.For that i am greatful! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:28:14 AM
My 85 yr old Dad is visiting to celebrate my youngest daughters high school graduation...He is from Dallas....and very worried about all the storm/tornado activities back home....
San Diego weather has been weird also....overcast and humid with changes of thunderstorms/lighting in the mountains...We are in the foot hills and today my Dad suggested the weather is as unstable here as in Dallas....

That's great that he's there to see her graduate!  Yes, the weather has been really crazy here.  I think some in the Dallas area had more flooding than we did, but there were some vicious thunderstorms that dumped a lot of rain on all of us.  It's been miserably hot here too!
Last of three daughters! I tell them all the time that BOYS ARE BAD..  :: ::cartwheel::MonkeyHaHa::
The humidity is what I can't stand...Luckily when it get hot here the humidity is low....
My Dad counters with the threat of earthquakes and firestorms....he will stay in Dallas, thank you....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:29:12 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 02:33:36 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Let em b_tch all day long..I'm aware of the few stalker sights being taken down but,have not ventured over to the other sight for quite some time..Feeding into their bullsh_t was wasting my time!It took me jus a Lil' to long to figure that out.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:34:18 AM
My 85 yr old Dad is visiting to celebrate my youngest daughters high school graduation...He is from Dallas....and very worried about all the storm/tornado activities back home....
San Diego weather has been weird also....overcast and humid with changes of thunderstorms/lighting in the mountains...We are in the foot hills and today my Dad suggested the weather is as unstable here as in Dallas....

That's great that he's there to see her graduate!  Yes, the weather has been really crazy here.  I think some in the Dallas area had more flooding than we did, but there were some vicious thunderstorms that dumped a lot of rain on all of us.  It's been miserably hot here too!
Last of three daughters! I tell them all the time that BOYS ARE BAD..  :: ::cartwheel::MonkeyHaHa::
The humidity is what I can't stand...Luckily when it get hot here the humidity is low....
My Dad counters with the threat of earthquakes and firestorms....he will stay in Dallas, thank you....

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'm with him!  Yes, the humidity sucks; but the ground stays still under our feet!   ::MonkeyCool::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 02:37:13 AM
Good evening Ktf and TM.....
Did I hear someone say 3 - 1...
I may be wrong...it may be in 5..not six.... ::MonkeyCool::

If the Black Mamba  wants to add to his Legacy...He'll close it out in 5... ::MonkeyDance::
I'm thinking 6 so he can close it out at home....but it is very risking letting 5 get away....

BillB really wants a few cop cars over turned & burned if you want em to win it in L.A. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 02:42:10 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Let em b_tch all day long..I'm aware of the few stalker sights being taken down but,have not ventured over to the other sight for quite some time..Feeding into their bullsh_t was wasting my time!It took me jus a Lil' to long to figure that out.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

One last thing on the Trolls..It must really piss em off to watch ADULTS have a difference of opinion,state their opinion,then move on with the collective goal in mind!JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY..We'll continue to have difference of opinions on different issues which makes us unique indivduals.For that,i'm greatful! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:42:33 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Let em b_tch all day long..I'm aware of the few stalker sights being taken down but,have not ventured over to the other sight for quite some time..Feeding into their bullsh_t was wasting my time!It took me jus a Lil' to long to figure that out.. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I took the bait and even posted that Kermit had the end result of Natalee's resting place while
gizzardwizardlizard (or whatever its name) had the events of what happened to her the late night/early morning. Monkeys got it right and I eventually caught up...and that is the beauty of open communication...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:44:49 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Let em b_tch all day long..I'm aware of the few stalker sights being taken down but,have not ventured over to the other sight for quite some time..Feeding into their bullsh_t was wasting my time!It took me jus a Lil' to long to figure that out.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I quit giving them my page clicks a while back, it was just the same old crap anyway.  Oh well now they are just finding other places to spew their venom.  But that's alright, the true colors will come shining through eventually.  Haven't seen the four headed monster there yet, maybe he's still on the membership waiting list.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or maybe he's content speaking through his puppet ********.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:47:30 AM
Good evening Ktf and TM.....
Did I hear someone say 3 - 1...
I may be wrong...it may be in 5..not six.... ::MonkeyCool::

If the Black Mamba  wants to add to his Legacy...He'll close it out in 5... ::MonkeyDance::
I'm thinking 6 so he can close it out at home....but it is very risking letting 5 get away....

BillB really wants a few cop cars over turned & burned if you want em to win it in L.A. ::MonkeyDevil::
The ugly side of humanity...Why can't we all just get along?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:48:15 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Let em b_tch all day long..I'm aware of the few stalker sights being taken down but,have not ventured over to the other sight for quite some time..Feeding into their bullsh_t was wasting my time!It took me jus a Lil' to long to figure that out.. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I took the bait and even posted that Kermit had the end result of Natalee's resting place while
gizzardwizardlizard (or whatever its name) had the events of what happened to her the late night/early morning. Monkeys got it right and I eventually caught up...and that is the beauty of open communication...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
That's alright billb, I had the largest serving of crow of all of us on that one I think!  But we live and learn!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 02:51:20 AM
Thanks Ktf and TM...enjoyed the conversation (as always) and I know we will be here as long as it takes to get Justice for Natalee!
I'm off (or so my dad says ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::)
Good night good Monkeys.
Tomorrow is one day closer to Justice for Natalee!
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:53:19 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Let em b_tch all day long..I'm aware of the few stalker sights being taken down but,have not ventured over to the other sight for quite some time..Feeding into their bullsh_t was wasting my time!It took me jus a Lil' to long to figure that out.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

One last thing on the Trolls..It must really piss em off to watch ADULTS have a difference of opinion,state their opinion,then move on with the collective goal in mind!JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY..We'll continue to have difference of opinions on different issues which makes us unique indivduals.For that,i'm greatful! ::MonkeyAngel::

Great point KTF!  What really pisses them off is that we're still here, they're NOT; and we're not going away.  Bottom line.  Some of them were so full of themselves that they thought this forum would go "poof" without them and they've found out just how wrong they were!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:54:50 AM
Thanks Ktf and TM...enjoyed the conversation (as always) and I know we will be here as long as it takes to get Justice for Natalee!
I'm off (or so my dad says ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::)
Good night good Monkeys.
Tomorrow is one day closer to Justice for Natalee!
 


Good night billb!  Hope you have a great visit with your dad!  Congrats to your daughter too!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 02:55:24 AM
Thanks Ktf and TM...enjoyed the conversation (as always) and I know we will be here as long as it takes to get Justice for Natalee!
I'm off (or so my dad says ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::)
Good night good Monkeys.
Tomorrow is one day closer to Justice for Natalee!
 


You are extremely valued BillB & the conversations are always looked forward to.Go enjoy the company of family cause that's what it's about..None of us are gauranteed tomorrow! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 02:59:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:02:28 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Let em b_tch all day long..I'm aware of the few stalker sights being taken down but,have not ventured over to the other sight for quite some time..Feeding into their bullsh_t was wasting my time!It took me jus a Lil' to long to figure that out.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

One last thing on the Trolls..It must really piss em off to watch ADULTS have a difference of opinion,state their opinion,then move on with the collective goal in mind!JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY..We'll continue to have difference of opinions on different issues which makes us unique indivduals.For that,i'm greatful! ::MonkeyAngel::

Great point KTF!  What really pisses them off is that we're still here, they're NOT; and we're not going away.  Bottom line.  Some of them were so full of themselves that they thought this forum would go "poof" without them and they've found out just how wrong they were!

I feel BillB laughin at tha Stackin TM.. ::MonkeyTongue:: On a serious note.All Monkeys should feel comfortable voicing their opinion.Which i believe the Mods do a wondeful job of facilitating!It's a blessing to have people with such strong wills.If Monkey's didn't have strong wills,determination,and an unflinching desire for a girl to have Justice,we'd have been gone long ago! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:08:05 AM
Has Blue Moon checked in with anybody?

I pray that all is going well with her sister's major surgery.

Janet

Just posted in the prayer thread.  All is well except for a bad, bad, bad headache.

 ::cartwheel::

Blue Moon ... that is such good news.

Good Night.

Janet
12:10 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:09:06 AM
Has Blue Moon checked in with anybody?

I pray that all is going well with her sister's major surgery.

Janet

Just posted in the prayer thread.  All is well except for a bad, bad, bad headache.

 ::cartwheel::

Blue Moon ... that is such good news.

Good Night.

Janet
12:10 AM PT

Hello,Goodbye & GoodNight Janet... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:09:46 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Texasmom and Keepthefaith!!!

Do you two meet everynight after midnight ... after all the other Monkeys have gone to bed.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:10:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT TM & TAMIKOSMOM & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:11:01 AM
For what it is worth...I said my piece.....I leave it at that.....

I sincerely appreciate every ones effort seeking Justice for Natalee.....

BillB..I value your voice & opinions more then you know,even if we don't see eye to eye on everything.I do seriously contemplate both sides of the debate..You should thank God that you don't have to hear the ongoing dialogue in my brain in regards to some of these things... ::MonkeyDevil::
Thanks Ktf......the  ::MonkeyDevil::talks to me from time to time.... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is all good because all of us that are still here are obviously here for the right reasons...Justice for Natalee!
The trolls pretty much left with gizzardwizardlizard or whatever its name was... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh they're still b_tching about us anywhere they can, at least it's not here anymore!  I give them the same howdy sign that I had for Aruba earlier.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Let em b_tch all day long..I'm aware of the few stalker sights being taken down but,have not ventured over to the other sight for quite some time..Feeding into their bullsh_t was wasting my time!It took me jus a Lil' to long to figure that out.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

One last thing on the Trolls..It must really piss em off to watch ADULTS have a difference of opinion,state their opinion,then move on with the collective goal in mind!JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY..We'll continue to have difference of opinions on different issues which makes us unique indivduals.For that,i'm greatful! ::MonkeyAngel::

Great point KTF!  What really pisses them off is that we're still here, they're NOT; and we're not going away.  Bottom line.  Some of them were so full of themselves that they thought this forum would go "poof" without them and they've found out just how wrong they were!

I feel BillB laughin at tha Stackin TM.. ::MonkeyTongue:: On a serious note.All Monkeys should feel comfortable voicing their opinion.Which i believe the Mods do a wondeful job of facilitating!It's a blessing to have people with such strong wills.If Monkey's didn't have strong wills,determination,and an unflinching desire for a girl to have Justice,we'd have been gone long ago! ::MonkeyAngel::

(Yes, I hear him laughin at the stackin too!   ::MonkeyDevil:: )

Amen KTF!  As you've probably noticed; I don't always say what I think on every matter.  But if I get really fired up about something....WATCH OUT!  And I know everyone doesn't always agree with what I think, but I love the fact of being able to say it...and just move on.  We all want the same thing in the end. 

Truth and Justice for Natalee!   ::MonkeyAngel:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:11:59 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Texasmom and Keepthefaith!!!

Do you two meet everynight after midnight ... after all the other Monkeys have gone to bed.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: bILLb was here as well Janet! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:12:35 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Texasmom and Keepthefaith!!!

Do you two meet everynight after midnight ... after all the other Monkeys have gone to bed.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



I'm telling.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:13:40 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Texasmom and Keepthefaith!!!

Do you two meet everynight after midnight ... after all the other Monkeys have gone to bed.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: bILLb was here as well Janet! ::MonkeyTongue::

I looked up in the rafters and ... Billb is not here.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:13:59 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Texasmom and Keepthefaith!!!

Do you two meet everynight after midnight ... after all the other Monkeys have gone to bed.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes, but the stackmaster is usually here with us too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

billb had to leave early tonight, his dad is there visiting. 

I'm usually here to try to keep those two out of trouble with the mods!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:16:52 AM
KERMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...... ::MonkeyTongue::

It’s the Muppet Show with our very special guest star . . TAMIKOSMOM...

It’s time to play the music.  It’s time to light the lights.

It’s time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

It’s time to put on makeup.  It’s time to dress up right.

It’s time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.

Why do we always come here?  I guess we’ll never know.

It’s like a kind of torture to have to watch the show.

And now let’s get things started.  Why don’t you get things started?

It’s time to get things started

On the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, Muppetational

This is what we call the Muppet Show!


 
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:18:10 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Texasmom and Keepthefaith!!!

Do you two meet everynight after midnight ... after all the other Monkeys have gone to bed.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes, but the stackmaster is usually here with us too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

billb had to leave early tonight, his dad is there visiting. 

I'm usually here to try to keep those two out of trouble with the mods!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyAngel::

OK.  I believe ya.  Millions would not.

Good Night Texasmom!  Good Night Keepthefaith!

Hugs

Janet
12:10 PM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:19:57 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Texasmom and Keepthefaith!!!

Do you two meet everynight after midnight ... after all the other Monkeys have gone to bed.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes, but the stackmaster is usually here with us too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

billb had to leave early tonight, his dad is there visiting. 

I'm usually here to try to keep those two out of trouble with the mods!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyAngel::

OK.  I believe ya.  Millions would not.

Good Night Texasmom!  Good Night Keepthefaith!

Hugs

Janet
12:10 PM.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:20:03 AM
KERMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...... ::MonkeyTongue::

It’s the Muppet Show with our very special guest star . . TAMIKOSMOM...

It’s time to play the music.  It’s time to light the lights.

It’s time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

It’s time to put on makeup.  It’s time to dress up right.

It’s time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.

Why do we always come here?  I guess we’ll never know.

It’s like a kind of torture to have to watch the show.

And now let’s get things started.  Why don’t you get things started?

It’s time to get things started

On the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, Muppetational

This is what we call the Muppet Show!


 
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:20:09 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Texasmom and Keepthefaith!!!

Do you two meet everynight after midnight ... after all the other Monkeys have gone to bed.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes, but the stackmaster is usually here with us too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

billb had to leave early tonight, his dad is there visiting. 

I'm usually here to try to keep those two out of trouble with the mods!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyAngel::

OK.  I believe ya.  Millions would not.

Good Night Texasmom!  Good Night Keepthefaith!

Hugs

Janet
12:10 PM.

gOODnIGHT jANET..tHANX FOR THE LAUGH... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:20:52 AM
KERMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...... ::MonkeyTongue::

It’s the Muppet Show with our very special guest star . . TAMIKOSMOM...

It’s time to play the music.  It’s time to light the lights.

It’s time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

It’s time to put on makeup.  It’s time to dress up right.

It’s time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.

Why do we always come here?  I guess we’ll never know.

It’s like a kind of torture to have to watch the show.

And now let’s get things started.  Why don’t you get things started?

It’s time to get things started

On the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, Muppetational

This is what we call the Muppet Show!


 
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:22:41 AM
88 PAGES TO GO
 ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:24:11 AM
KERMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...... ::MonkeyTongue::

It’s the Muppet Show with our very special guest star . . TAMIKOSMOM...

It’s time to play the music.  It’s time to light the lights.

It’s time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

It’s time to put on makeup.  It’s time to dress up right.

It’s time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.

Why do we always come here?  I guess we’ll never know.

It’s like a kind of torture to have to watch the show.

And now let’s get things started.  Why don’t you get things started?

It’s time to get things started

On the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, Muppetational

This is what we call the Muppet Show!


 
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif)  (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Greetings/81yub1e.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:27:34 AM
I did lousy at the mini Scrabble tournament at neighbour's home tonight but ... the company was great.  Lots of laughs.  I am wide awake and hubby is already sawing logs.  I did not even have one cuppa coffee.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:28:40 AM
KERMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT...... ::MonkeyTongue::

It’s the Muppet Show with our very special guest star . . TAMIKOSMOM...

It’s time to play the music.  It’s time to light the lights.

It’s time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

It’s time to put on makeup.  It’s time to dress up right.

It’s time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.

Why do we always come here?  I guess we’ll never know.

It’s like a kind of torture to have to watch the show.

And now let’s get things started.  Why don’t you get things started?

It’s time to get things started

On the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, Muppetational

This is what we call the Muppet Show!


 
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif)  (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Greetings/81yub1e.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:28:52 AM
I did lousy at the mini Scrabble tournament at neighbour's home tonight but ... the company was great.  Lots of laughs.  I am wide awake and hubby is already sawing logs.  I did not even have one cuppa coffee.

Janet





 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:30:05 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:31:59 AM
I did lousy at the mini Scrabble tournament at neighbour's home tonight but ... the company was great.  Lots of laughs.  I am wide awake and hubby is already sawing logs.  I did not even have one cuppa coffee.

Janet


If you did lousy, that means someone else had their time to win, you'll have a better game next time!
But at least you got to come have a giggle or two with the late night crew! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:32:28 AM
Wreck should be here... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:33:20 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:33:31 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  Why did I KNOW you'd catch that?   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:34:31 AM
Wreck should be here... ::MonkeyCool::

Yes he should!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:34:55 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes she does! You would be in BIG trouble without here.....those late nights and all.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:37:21 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes she does! You would be in BIG trouble without her.....those late nights and all.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Self edit......bet no one here had to do that before! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:37:34 AM
I just got froze outt tha forum... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:37:58 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes she does! You would be in BIG trouble without here.....those late nights and all.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey, one night I was the ONLY person left on the forum period....no members...no guests...it was a skeery feeling!   ::MonkeyEek::

I like it much better with my buddies here!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:38:46 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:38:57 AM
I just got froze outt tha forum... ::MonkeyShocked::

That's weird, it shouldn't be too much traffic at this hour!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:39:58 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes she does! You would be in BIG trouble without her.....those late nights and all.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Self edit......bet no one here had to do that before! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

uhhh just a time or two!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:40:58 AM
I just got froze outt tha forum... ::MonkeyShocked::

That's weird, it shouldn't be too much traffic at this hour!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Went to make a post and got Froze..Don't even know if Froze is a word.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:41:15 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes she does! You would be in BIG trouble without here.....those late nights and all.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey, one night I was the ONLY person left on the forum period....no members...no guests...it was a skeery feeling!   ::MonkeyEek::

I like it much better with my buddies here!   ::MonkeyCool::
Me two, three, four, five....etc......
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:42:05 AM
I just got froze outt tha forum... ::MonkeyShocked::

That's weird, it shouldn't be too much traffic at this hour!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Went to make a post and got Froze..Don't even know if Froze is a word.. ::MonkeyHaHa::
That's cool... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:42:37 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes she does! You would be in BIG trouble without here.....those late nights and all.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey, one night I was the ONLY person left on the forum period....no members...no guests...it was a skeery feeling!   ::MonkeyEek::

I like it much better with my buddies here!   ::MonkeyCool::
Me two, three, four, five....etc......
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Six,Seven,Eight,who do we appreciate....Kobe,Kobe,Kobe...How ya like them apples! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:43:32 AM
I just got froze outt tha forum... ::MonkeyShocked::

That's weird, it shouldn't be too much traffic at this hour!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Went to make a post and got Froze..Don't even know if Froze is a word.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:44:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT TM & TAMIKOSMOM & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:47:30 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes she does! You would be in BIG trouble without here.....those late nights and all.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey, one night I was the ONLY person left on the forum period....no members...no guests...it was a skeery feeling!   ::MonkeyEek::

I like it much better with my buddies here!   ::MonkeyCool::
Me two, three, four, five....etc......
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Six,Seven,Eight,who do we appreciate....Kobe,Kobe,Kobe...How ya like them apples! ::MonkeyCool::
Fruits...we are talking LA you know! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:49:31 AM
Good night guys (and Janet if you're still here somewhere), I've got to take one of my doggies outside; and then hit the monkey bunkey!

Thanks for the laughs, it's good for the soul!

See ya later!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:49:37 AM
I did lousy at the mini Scrabble tournament at neighbour's home tonight but ... the company was great.  Lots of laughs.  I am wide awake and hubby is already sawing logs.  I did not even have one cuppa coffee.

Janet


If you did lousy, that means someone else had their time to win, you'll have a better game next time!
But at least you got to come have a giggle or two with the late night crew! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Our mascot!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:50:56 AM
A cameo appearance....for Janet.....
We may not see eye to eye all the time....but I appreciate the times you come back to one of my posts with "Exactly!"
Ktf posted earlier tonight how the fact that Monkeys can disagree and not self implode (not exact words) while keeping focused on Justice for Natalee is what make this forum unique.
I agree and look forward to the posts... Justice for Natalee IS just around the corner!
TM keeping Ktf and me out of trouble with the Mods..... ::MonkeyConfused::
OK,
I give her that.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 

She's gotta a point... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes she does! You would be in BIG trouble without here.....those late nights and all.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey, one night I was the ONLY person left on the forum period....no members...no guests...it was a skeery feeling!   ::MonkeyEek::

I like it much better with my buddies here!   ::MonkeyCool::
Me two, three, four, five....etc......
 ::MonkeyAngel::
Six,Seven,Eight,who do we appreciate....Kobe,Kobe,Kobe...How ya like them apples! ::MonkeyCool::
Fruits...we are talking LA you know! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 03:52:06 AM
I did lousy at the mini Scrabble tournament at neighbour's home tonight but ... the company was great.  Lots of laughs.  I am wide awake and hubby is already sawing logs.  I did not even have one cuppa coffee.

Janet


If you did lousy, that means someone else had their time to win, you'll have a better game next time!
But at least you got to come have a giggle or two with the late night crew! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Our mascot!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Janet

Yes she is!  And she's a great one too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Nite Janet!  (((hugs)))   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 03:52:10 AM
Hi Billb!!

Good Night Billb!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:54:06 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT TM & TAMIKOSMOM & BILLB GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:55:49 AM
Hi Billb!!

Good Night Billb!!

Janet
Good Night Janet......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:55:52 AM
I'm gettin pretty good at this Sh_T..Inserted BillB without any mistakes..Hey.Wreck & San will be proud...

GoodNight to all...Ya'll are truly appreciated!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:56:45 AM
Last Monkey in here please turn out the lights.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 13, 2009, 03:57:57 AM
Good Night TM, Ktf, Janet and all good Monkeys........
Justice will be served.....aruba may have not read the email yet...but they should! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:58:21 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 13, 2009, 03:59:15 AM
Good Night TM, Ktf, Janet and all good Monkeys........
Justice will be served.....aruba may have not read the email yet...but they should! ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight Janet,Tm & BillB...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 13, 2009, 04:01:52 AM
Wow! Looks like I missed the party....Oh well there's always tomorrow night!

Good Night Janet! Don't forget the lights!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 13, 2009, 08:35:35 AM
Wreck should be here... ::MonkeyCool::

Yes he should!   ::MonkeyDance::
You are all night owls!!! I have to work Saturdays!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 13, 2009, 11:09:18 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58005.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/ValeroClosing.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 11:12:17 AM
Monkeys

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words ... words which exposed John Silvetti's participation with the Arubans in the finale to the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing since the morning of May 30, 2005.

When I scan the OIL & GAS PIPELINE INFO Thread ... it is obvious that Natalee Holloway Monkeys believe the John Silvetti betrayal reveal by Kyle Kingman must be researched and exposed in the the name of justice.  Although I feel completely out of the loop  ... I support the effort 100% nevertheless.

On the other hand ... I am a believer that those who are personally aware of the John Silvetti betrayal but ... choose to remain silent while continuing a professional relationship with Silvetti  ... choose to associated with those who embrace an Aruban agenda ... are also participants in the Aruban coverup.

Exposing the corrupt Aruban invesigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway has been my focus for over four years.  Those who choose to deter this objective will not be given a free pass no matter who they are.

Janet

Think about it.

Natalee Holloway Monkeys are one in the contention that Kyle Kingman should not be given a free pass for not being forthcoming to Beth or the FBI regarding his genuine concerns encompassing the the trap.  Natalee Holloway Monkeys are one that Kyle Kingman motivation may be self serving when his ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti is considered.

Janet

++++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08
:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. i would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 12:06:29 PM
Pita
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion
« Reply #507 on: Today at 09:55:45 am »


Just as Tim Miller stated, "That almost looks like a skull."

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=887.495

++++++


Pita

With respect ... Tim Miller was more certain than "almost".

Janet
_____

Dateline NBC - February 22, 2008

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap ...

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.  

Chris Hansen: So, you're thinking-- you're thinking at this point--

Tim Miller: I’m thinking at this point, "Oh, my God, maybe we've got something. Maybe we've got something."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th.

Kyle Kingman:  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
Gold Monkeys

On December 30, 2007 ... the day of the visual dive ... Natalee Holloway's wise uncle had a gut feeling that a negative outcome was where it was at IF the enemy was afforded sole possession of the contents of the trap.

I am one with Private Eye.

Janet

+++++++

Private Eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 10:30:32 PM »


They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.[/color]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg323242;topicseen#msg323242


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
My prayer is that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller do what is right and reveal the truth from their perception regarding the happenings encompassing the trap ... a perception that was initially very troubling to BOTH of them.

I wonder if Tim Miller shared his concerns with Dave Holloway while they were following up on the Costa Rica tip immediately following the December 30, 2007 visual dive.

Janet

+++++++
 
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about  

Kyle Kingman:  Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 12:52:04 PM

I had a great morning talking to myself.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I LOVE MYSELF
I love myself
I think I'm grand
I go to the movies
I hold my hand
I put my arm around my waist
If I get fresh I slap my face.


Have a great day!

I am off.

Later, Janet
9:50 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 13, 2009, 01:06:50 PM

I had a great morning talking to myself.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I LOVE MYSELF
I love myself
I think I'm grand
I go to the movies
I hold my hand
I put my arm around my waist
If I get fresh I slap my face.


Have a great day!

I am off.

Later, Janet
9:50 AM PT

You weren't talking to yourself, Janet.   I have been reading and thinking. 

See you later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 13, 2009, 01:25:44 PM
JANET!! Lmfaoooooooooooo!!! We used to say that all the time when we were kids!! HAhahahaaaaaaaa!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 02:01:06 PM
Pita
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion
« Reply #507 on: Today at 09:55:45 am »


Just as Tim Miller stated, "That almost looks like a skull."

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=887.495

++++++


Pita

With respect ... Tim Miller was more certain than "almost".

Janet
_____

DATELINE TRANSCRIPT

Dateline NBC - February 22, 2008

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.  

Chris Hansen: So, you're thinking-- you're thinking at this point--

Tim Miller: I’m thinking at this point, "Oh, my God, maybe we've got something. Maybe we've got something." ...

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th.

Kyle Kingman:  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.


DATELINE TRANSCRIPT

Dateline NBC - February 22, 2008

Dave Holloway: I got a phone call from Tim.

Chris Hansen: And what'd he say?

Dave Holloway: He told me, he said, "Dave, we found her."

Chris Hansen: "We found her?"

Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
My prayer is that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller do what is right and reveal the truth from their perception regarding the happenings encompassing the trap ... a perception that was initially very troubling to BOTH of them.

I wonder if Tim Miller shared his concerns with Dave Holloway while they were following up on the Costa Rica tip immediately following the December 30, 2007 visual dive.

Janet

+++++++
 
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about  

Kyle Kingman:  Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  ... This occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 06:36:09 PM
I don't know why "enter" sometimes means "post" on my computer!    ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58062.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Valero: Closing no tactics'

13 Jun, 2009, 15:41 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY / HOUSTON - The temporary closure of the refinery in San Nicolas by July 1 is not a tactic in the long conflict with the Aruban government taxes. That Valero spokesman Bill Day said to Reuters news agency.

"It's mainly for economic reasons, particularly the low margins on distillates," said Day, who compares the situation with the refinery in Delaware City. It was closed in March and April because of the disappointing results. Valero would not address claims by other opposition parties that the tax conflict AVP plays a role. It is the sales tax introduced in 2007 which BBO Valero enter an arbitration case. It is not yet ruled. The Board of Appeals for Taxation recently rejected the objection of Valero off the chance that the refinery soon to 15 million florin BBO should wear.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber cites the decision of the Valero refinery in San Nicolas to close 'suspicious'. This is because it just before the parliamentary elections in September has been taken. He suspects the U.S. company that both the government and the opposition wants' dealing '.

The tax exemption for Valero is on 31 December 2010. Valero said earlier that it would sell the refinery. That has not happened. According to specialists is difficult to sell the refinery because it can produce no end products. So far there are no employees exempted from the more than 700 man permanent occupation. How the labor contract with the state, around 1000 depending on the work, is not known. Union Iowua had yesterday afternoon consultation with its members, but it is not known if and what steps they will take.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 06:38:13 PM
2NJ, I wasn't through with my post the first two times.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
If you want to delete those, it's fine with me!

TIA   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 06:41:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58066.php

Aruba
Chamber of Commerce: "Free access to Dutch '

13 Jun, 2009, 15:41 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Chamber of Commerce (CoC) is that people with the Dutch free access to the island would have to work and live. This is reflected in the recently published Vision Gobernacion di Aruba pa 2009-2013, in which the Court a vision of the future outline, especially in the commercial field.

"In the context of our political relationship with the other members of the Kingdom, it is advisable to freedom of movement to respect and maintain," says the Chamber. The report clearly shows that the Chamber considers that there should be for the admissions policy. The report is that the government provides a huge development in the field of hotels, timeshares and apartments. "If all these plans to be implemented, as a result, the number of foreign workers also drastically increase," says the Chamber. Because these workers - under the current government - after three years to leave the country, it is for companies not to bring almost to invest in training. "For three years after leaving the workforce and new employees must be trained." The Court asked whether the quality of tourism to benefit.

The Chamber provides a number of suggestions for improvements in its report. Thus the Court calls for abolition of the admission policy of three years. In any case, for certain professions and expertise. "Let young professional immigrants for an indefinite period of time. So for a long time may contribute to our economy. "The admission policies, according to the Court in the case of older foreigners have tightened. This is to prevent this group from 10 to 15 years of work left and then a social hole traps because they do not have full pension. "They can not maintain itself, what new problems." Finally, the Court finds that the application for work and residence permits should be simplified and shortened.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 06:48:19 PM



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Credit: Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 06:50:01 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58060.php

Aruba

"The thumb sucked crap story '

13 Jun, 2009, 15:35 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "I've never worked with a list. It is a nonsense story sucked the thumb, "said police officer Carlos Hodge last Tuesday for the court.

He is one of the witnesses in the case against Michael Williams Country Aruba.

Hodge refers to the so-called 'list Dakota. This would be a list of names of members of the gang of Dakota. According to Williams would Justice Minister Rudy Croes the names of his sons have put on this list. Hodge, according to Williams also of the existence of the list informed. Hodge, however, denied this under oath. Also journalist Danjo Simoons by Williams was called to testify. Simoons would have been there and heard that Williams told Hodge Minister Croes, his sons on a list which has placed them arrested. Something that a few weeks ago denied under oath by Minister Croes. During the hearing last Tuesday Simoons stated that he knows nothing of a list Dakota and therefore knows nothing about the scaling of the name of the sons of this. " Valderino Hart, a colleague of Simon, was also a witness. Hart would have heard a conversation between Simons and Williams in which the involvement of Hodge case. During his statement, however, Hart said: "It is clear from the interview showed that Hodge was not behind Williams aanzat." Hart denied that he knew of a list but Dakota said that there are so many gangs. "

In an earlier interview said ex-wife of Williams Dalila Maxwell that Calvin Subaran, a bodyguard of Minister Croes, then told her that her sons on the orders of Croes on the list were of children who should be arrested. " Moreover, Sulbaran stated that if Michael Williams' had not done what he had done that was not accrued. Subaran working at WARDA Nos Costa testified earlier this week that he never spoke with her on this. "

Michael Williams was in an incident between him and Minister Booshi Weaver in 2003, the victim of reprisals from the government. Also, recently convicted sons Chris and Nigel would be victims. Williams stretched an early trial and during the treatment testimonies of several people including Croes Minister of Justice.

The lawsuit is further Thursday, June 25.


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Post by: pinkbanana on June 13, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
Hi....  ::MonkeyWink::  back to reading.

Justice Natalee!   ::MonkeyAngel::

pb


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Post by: pinkbanana on June 13, 2009, 07:12:27 PM
Hi....  ::MonkeyWink::  back to reading.

Justice for Natalee!   ::MonkeyAngel::

pb

EDIT POST....I forgot for.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 13, 2009, 07:56:58 PM
Good evening Monkeys.  What's up.  Just got home from hospital.  Janet I responded to your post in the prayer thread.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 13, 2009, 08:20:46 PM
Good evening Monkeys.  What's up.  Just got home from hospital.  Janet I responded to your post in the prayer thread.

It's been quiet, Blue Moon.  Glad your sister is doing well....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 13, 2009, 08:40:16 PM
Good evening Monkeys.  What's up.  Just got home from hospital.  Janet I responded to your post in the prayer thread.

It's been quiet, Blue Moon.  Glad your sister is doing well....

Thanks 2NJSons, seems there is nothing about Natalee anymore.  Has froggy been on lately?  Any news from her?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2009, 09:44:26 PM
Good evening Monkeys.  What's up.  Just got home from hospital.  Janet I responded to your post in the prayer thread.

It's been quiet, Blue Moon.  Glad your sister is doing well....

Thanks 2NJSons, seems there is nothing about Natalee anymore.  Has froggy been on lately?  Any news from her?

Sorry Blue Moon, I've been multi tasking!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Kermit hasn't been by in a while, hopefully she'll hop by soon!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 13, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Good evening Monkeys.  What's up.  Just got home from hospital.  Janet I responded to your post in the prayer thread.

It's been quiet, Blue Moon.  Glad your sister is doing well....

Thanks 2NJSons, seems there is nothing about Natalee anymore.  Has froggy been on lately?  Any news from her?

Sorry Blue Moon, I've been multi tasking!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Kermit hasn't been by in a while, hopefully she'll hop by soon!   ::MonkeyDance::

Name:  Kermit
Posts:  4286 (5.530 per day)
Position:  Scared Monkey
Date Registered:  April 30, 2007, 09:02:10 PM
Last Active:  June 08, 2009, 04:21:23 PM

*****

I doubt she's missed anything.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 13, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2009, 12:01:34 AM
 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 14, 2009, 12:03:27 AM
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Go Janet Go!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2009, 12:15:25 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Hotping!!

I was hoping you would pop in.

We are having a family gathering tomorrow on my side ... celebrating three birthdays.  I bought a large carrot cake for all the birthday candles but I would really appreciate if you could bring over those strawberries and whipping cream you promised me when I had that toothache.  I know it would go over good. You could have a piece of the the carrot cake and a cuppa Tim Horton's coffee.  Hey ... you could stay for the bbq.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet



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Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 12:18:49 AM
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Go Janet Go!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought she needed some company!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2009, 12:22:46 AM
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Go Janet Go!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought she needed some company!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

There are times when you are better off being alone.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


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Post by: pdh3 on June 14, 2009, 12:23:33 AM
I apologize for the O/T.....


If anybody sees a mod....I need a boo-boo fixed in the college baseball thread...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 14, 2009, 12:37:08 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Hotping!!

I was hoping you would pop in.

We are having a family gathering tomorrow on my side ... celebrating three birthdays.  I bought a large carrot cake for all the birthday candles but I would really appreciate if you could bring over those strawberries and whipping cream you promised me when I had that toothache.  I know it would go over good. You could have a piece of the the carrot cake and a cuppa Tim Horton's coffee.  Hey ... you could stay for the bbq.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Oh Wow! Sounds good to Me I Love Carrot Cake and BBQ Too! I will be there with the Strawberries and Whipping Cream! I really would Love to meet You and Your Family!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm fixing to watch a Movie with My Hubby... Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino ...I'm  baking Blueberry Muffins now for a snack! See You all after the Movie!    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2009, 12:40:10 AM
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Go Janet Go!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought she needed some company!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

There are times when you are better off being alone.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

If you could find me a George Clooney double.  We could dance all night.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2009, 12:49:22 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Hotping!!

I was hoping you would pop in.

We are having a family gathering tomorrow on my side ... celebrating three birthdays.  I bought a large carrot cake for all the birthday candles but I would really appreciate if you could bring over those strawberries and whipping cream you promised me when I had that toothache.  I know it would go over good. You could have a piece of the the carrot cake and a cuppa Tim Horton's coffee.  Hey ... you could stay for the bbq.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Oh Wow! Sounds good to Me I Love Carrot Cake and BBQ Too! I will be there with the Strawberries and Whipping Cream! I really would Love to meet You and Your Family!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm fixing to watch a Movie with My Hubby... Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino ...I'm  baking Blueberry Muffins now for a snack! See You all after the Movie!    ::MonkeyWink::

Enjoy!

I am bored.  My hubby and youngest son are working on the broken air conditioner in my van while DIL is running around the area with a friend wearing a $125.00 pair of sneakers.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I figured those sneakers must have golden laces.

48 hours comes on at 10:00 PM.  I may watch it.

Good Night All!

Janet
9:50 PM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 02:07:20 AM
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Go Janet Go!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought she needed some company!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

There are times when you are better off being alone.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

If you could find me a George Clooney double.  We could dance all night.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Picky, picky!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 02:27:17 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

Hotping!!

I was hoping you would pop in.

We are having a family gathering tomorrow on my side ... celebrating three birthdays.  I bought a large carrot cake for all the birthday candles but I would really appreciate if you could bring over those strawberries and whipping cream you promised me when I had that toothache.  I know it would go over good. You could have a piece of the the carrot cake and a cuppa Tim Horton's coffee.  Hey ... you could stay for the bbq.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Oh Wow! Sounds good to Me I Love Carrot Cake and BBQ Too! I will be there with the Strawberries and Whipping Cream! I really would Love to meet You and Your Family!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm fixing to watch a Movie with My Hubby... Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino ...I'm  baking Blueberry Muffins now for a snack! See You all after the Movie!    ::MonkeyWink::

Enjoy!

I am bored.  My hubby and youngest son are working on the broken air conditioner in my van while DIL is running around the area with a friend wearing a $125.00 pair of sneakers.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I figured those sneakers must have golden laces.

48 hours comes on at 10:00 PM.  I may watch it.

Good Night All!

Janet
9:50 PM



Good night Janet.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 02:28:20 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


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Post by: Keepthefaith on June 14, 2009, 02:49:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Hollowayfamilygallery.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 14, 2009, 03:06:09 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 14, 2009, 03:08:40 AM
Good Night All! Have a Wonderful Sunday Everyone! See Ya Tomorrow Janet!  ::MonkeyWink::

Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2009, 03:23:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Hollowayfamilygallery.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Damn it! That is why I'm here!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 03:29:00 AM
Good Night All! Have a Wonderful Sunday Everyone! See Ya Tomorrow Janet!  ::MonkeyWink::

Justice for Natalee!

Good night Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2009, 10:49:56 AM
Well ... if texasmom, Keepthefaith, Hotping and Wreck would keep decent sleeping hours ... I would not be all alone on the forum this morning.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

I have been up since 6:00 am.  I have made a large potatoe salad (boiled spuds last night)  and a tossed salad for today's family gathering and ... the kitchen is all clean.

I am about to look over a Grade five Sunday School lesson that was just emailed to me.  Teacher called me this morning ... she has been up most of the night tending to her sick ten year old daughter.  She thinks it is a flu bug.

Anyways ...  have a good day all and remember to ....

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Janet
7:50


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 11:10:18 AM
Well ... if texasmom, Keepthefaith, Hotping and Wreck would keep decent sleeping hours ... I would not be all alone on the forum this morning.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

I have been up since 6:00 am.  I have made a large potatoe salad (boiled spuds last night)  and a tossed salad for today's family gathering and ... the kitchen is all clean.

I am about to look over a Grade five Sunday School lesson that was just emailed to me.  Teacher called me this morning ... she has been up most of the night tending to her sick ten year old daughter.  She thinks it is a flu bug.

Anyways ...  have a good day all and remember to ....

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Janet
7:50

I'm here Janet, but no coffee yet...it's brewing!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyEek::

It sounds like you are going to be the fifth grade Sunday School teacher?  That will be a treat for the class I'm sure! 

Have a great day Janet!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 11:20:35 AM
I've been trying to figure out what this article says about this young girl that has been missing for a while now.  I'm hoping that maybe Sandy Leiva or Cageman may see it and help me out.

I think it says that the 13 year old (that is pictured) has a 15 year old sister that has also gone missing but is home now.  I think it says that the 13 year old showed up for school at some time after she went missing?  And it seems to say that they think she could be part of a satanic gang "La Cripta"?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news4.html

June 11, 2009 Diario

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/0611209Diario.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

according informe of the mama: catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo for of ten trip owing to go back huy of his cas oranjestad (aan): at redaccion of daily paper owing to present sra. maria figaroa, that is mother of the child muher catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo. according the mother, his child for of ten trip owing to huy of cas. past owing to bay diadomingo nightfall, although monday past owing to present at his school cu is colegio epb hato. for of the day ey, neither a know nothing more of dje. the madam owing to tell cu already end police have one file enough extenso relaciona cu the huymento of his two child muher. his another child cu have 15 year, also owing to desaparece the week here but police owing to haye diaranzon madruga in one car cu two child muher. now the is at home, owing to señala. but for thing is the child muher more diminutive here of 13 year, the is much preocupa because the know cu have person cu tine scondi y they haci they self complice of the delito here. past owing to let know also cu the welonan is voogd of the child this for they bienestar because in various occasion past owing to wordo menaza of dead y ataca also door of one gang. owing to tell cu his child is in one gang satanico cu have the name of “la cripta” cu is more tanto form for person more big. they owing to change his child y owing to hinke in cosnan odd. for of time cu the child owing to enter school epb past owing to cuminza change y comporta odd, but also past owing to cuminza bay for of cas. sra. figaroa owing to haci one apelacion at esnan cu can know algo of the paradero of his child for calling number of telephone 587-3401 or keep of police north. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 14, 2009, 01:35:11 PM
Well ... if texasmom, Keepthefaith, Hotping and Wreck would keep decent sleeping hours ... I would not be all alone on the forum this morning.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

I have been up since 6:00 am.  I have made a large potatoe salad (boiled spuds last night)  and a tossed salad for today's family gathering and ... the kitchen is all clean.

I am about to look over a Grade five Sunday School lesson that was just emailed to me.  Teacher called me this morning ... she has been up most of the night tending to her sick ten year old daughter.  She thinks it is a flu bug.

Anyways ...  have a good day all and remember to ....

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Janet
7:50

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Was out playing all day and didn't arrive home till late..Very tired when i got home and was trying to look some things up but the monitor was spinnning so i had to close my eyes.. ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 14, 2009, 05:21:10 PM
In God`s own words,

20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties,

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 meekness, self-control; against such there is no law

Gal.5

Have a wonderful day


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 14, 2009, 05:27:11 PM
Wow,  I haven't posted in ages, though I read almost daily following the Caylee case.   I didn't realize things were still moving along in Natalee's thread.   Now I see where my old Monkey friends are!  I thought I lost you all!   But I shouldn't be surprised my old faithful Natalee Monkeys are still keeping the faith.  God Bless you all!   I have so much catching up to do here, unless anybody would like to give me a quick update on what's been going on.   ::MonkeyAngel:: Glad you see you all and will try to catch up and begin posting here again.  I'm so glad you are all keeping her in the spotlight.   Justice WILL be served,  I just know it!  DipSh1t will falter eventually.  His day will come!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sandy leiva on June 14, 2009, 06:52:25 PM
I've been trying to figure out what this article says about this young girl that has been missing for a while now.  I'm hoping that maybe Sandy Leiva or Cageman may see it and help me out.

I think it says that the 13 year old (that is pictured) has a 15 year old sister that has also gone missing but is home now.  I think it says that the 13 year old showed up for school at some time after she went missing?  And it seems to say that they think she could be part of a satanic gang "La Cripta"?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news4.html

June 11, 2009 Diario

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/0611209Diario.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

according informe of the mama: catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo for of ten trip owing to go back huy of his cas oranjestad (aan): at redaccion of daily paper owing to present sra. maria figaroa, that is mother of the child muher catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo. according the mother, his child for of ten trip owing to huy of cas. past owing to bay diadomingo nightfall, although monday past owing to present at his school cu is colegio epb hato. for of the day ey, neither a know nothing more of dje. the madam owing to tell cu already end police have one file enough extenso relaciona cu the huymento of his two child muher. his another child cu have 15 year, also owing to desaparece the week here but police owing to haye diaranzon madruga in one car cu two child muher. now the is at home, owing to señala. but for thing is the child muher more diminutive here of 13 year, the is much preocupa because the know cu have person cu tine scondi y they haci they self complice of the delito here. past owing to let know also cu the welonan is voogd of the child this for they bienestar because in various occasion past owing to wordo menaza of dead y ataca also door of one gang. owing to tell cu his child is in one gang satanico cu have the name of “la cripta” cu is more tanto form for person more big. they owing to change his child y owing to hinke in cosnan odd. for of time cu the child owing to enter school epb past owing to cuminza change y comporta odd, but also past owing to cuminza bay for of cas. sra. figaroa owing to haci one apelacion at esnan cu can know algo of the paradero of his child for calling number of telephone 587-3401 or keep of police north. come across


Thses two young girls were also missing last month for a few days and were returned homw after being beaten up by some gang group.  I remember translating the article.  This new article states mom and grandpa are very worried becasue the 13 yr old went to school and has now gone missing and did not return home from school. It mentions the 15 yr old sister was in a car with two other female friends after school but doesnt know the whereabouts of the younger sister.  The grandfather is concerned the gang called the cripts which dabbles in satanism has something to do with her dissapearance because in the past this gang has threatened them and threatened harm to them.  the gang was so bold as to knock on the familys home door and threaten to kill them. Family is asking anyoner with info on 13 yr old wherabouts to call police.   



Just my opinion But WHY is it if these girls were beaten the last time after being gone missing for almost a week WHY didnt police do something then.?  Now this child has been missing and endangered again and didnt return home from school?  IF the police know or had been told which gang tool them the last time WHY wasnt something done?   Women and children are easy preys and not respected on this island.  How is it that mothers and fathers sisters and brothers and family and friends put up with this bullshit.  Its time to get your guns out and protect your families if the police wont.  I never before believed in vigilantism but with all the thngs going on against woman and children Im begining to change my mind.  Anyoneone hurting my family watch out= your ass is mine.   Sorry for the rant, hope I never have to live up to that statement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 09:09:52 PM
I've been trying to figure out what this article says about this young girl that has been missing for a while now.  I'm hoping that maybe Sandy Leiva or Cageman may see it and help me out.

I think it says that the 13 year old (that is pictured) has a 15 year old sister that has also gone missing but is home now.  I think it says that the 13 year old showed up for school at some time after she went missing?  And it seems to say that they think she could be part of a satanic gang "La Cripta"?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news4.html

June 11, 2009 Diario

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Papiamentu translation:

according informe of the mama: catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo for of ten trip owing to go back huy of his cas oranjestad (aan): at redaccion of daily paper owing to present sra. maria figaroa, that is mother of the child muher catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo. according the mother, his child for of ten trip owing to huy of cas. past owing to bay diadomingo nightfall, although monday past owing to present at his school cu is colegio epb hato. for of the day ey, neither a know nothing more of dje. the madam owing to tell cu already end police have one file enough extenso relaciona cu the huymento of his two child muher. his another child cu have 15 year, also owing to desaparece the week here but police owing to haye diaranzon madruga in one car cu two child muher. now the is at home, owing to señala. but for thing is the child muher more diminutive here of 13 year, the is much preocupa because the know cu have person cu tine scondi y they haci they self complice of the delito here. past owing to let know also cu the welonan is voogd of the child this for they bienestar because in various occasion past owing to wordo menaza of dead y ataca also door of one gang. owing to tell cu his child is in one gang satanico cu have the name of “la cripta” cu is more tanto form for person more big. they owing to change his child y owing to hinke in cosnan odd. for of time cu the child owing to enter school epb past owing to cuminza change y comporta odd, but also past owing to cuminza bay for of cas. sra. figaroa owing to haci one apelacion at esnan cu can know algo of the paradero of his child for calling number of telephone 587-3401 or keep of police north. come across


Thses two young girls were also missing last month for a few days and were returned homw after being beaten up by some gang group.  I remember translating the article.  This new article states mom and grandpa are very worried becasue the 13 yr old went to school and has now gone missing and did not return home from school. It mentions the 15 yr old sister was in a car with two other female friends after school but doesnt know the whereabouts of the younger sister.  The grandfather is concerned the gang called the cripts which dabbles in satanism has something to do with her dissapearance because in the past this gang has threatened them and threatened harm to them.  the gang was so bold as to knock on the familys home door and threaten to kill them. Family is asking anyoner with info on 13 yr old wherabouts to call police.   



Just my opinion But WHY is it if these girls were beaten the last time after being gone missing for almost a week WHY didnt police do something then.?  Now this child has been missing and endangered again and didnt return home from school?  IF the police know or had been told which gang tool them the last time WHY wasnt something done?   Women and children are easy preys and not respected on this island.  How is it that mothers and fathers sisters and brothers and family and friends put up with this bullshit.  Its time to get your guns out and protect your families if the police wont.  I never before believed in vigilantism but with all the thngs going on against woman and children Im begining to change my mind.  Anyoneone hurting my family watch out= your ass is mine.   Sorry for the rant, hope I never have to live up to that statement.

Thank you Sandy Leiva!  You're an  ::MonkeyAngel:: !!!!

 ::MonkeyEek::

You're right Sandy, that is the younger of the two girls that were missing last month!  I had confused her with the other girl (Roxanne Dirks) that went missing right after them.  I still have not seen anything about her being found, or having returned home.

I looked back and found these clippings...note in the one about Roxanne, that LE claims that there was no evidence that the girls were victims of a crime!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

IIRC, these girls were going missing during the time of some major arrests.  I remember wondering if they were being taken in retaliation for family members giving statements that resulted in the arrests.  Still wondering about that!

But I'm with you, it is shameful that something wasn't done after the first time...makes me mad!  You're right again, women and children don't seem to matter at all on that island unless of course they belong to the "right" families.  It's sickening!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

5/11/2009 Awe Mainta Page 9

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

autoridad is busca two child muher, kendenan owing to huy for of cas

saturday night 2 child muher of 13 y 15 year respectivamente owing to huy for of cas in district of north y still they not owing to aparece. is deduci cu the children here owing to huy, debi cu they owing to bay cu cloths also. diadomingo morning parents owing to present at keep of police for haci the denuncia. informacionnan adicional is indica cu the children here will is form part of one gang. the children here is younger of edad y have to is bao supervision of they parents. if encaso police achieve they scondi in one or another caminda, the personanan ey can bay close y is castigable for ley. if encaso do you know the paradero of one or they two as responsable for calling police at once at 100 or keep of police at shaba 107.

5/14/2009 Amigoe

http://amigoe.com/
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
I've been trying to figure out what this article says about this young girl that has been missing for a while now.  I'm hoping that maybe Sandy Leiva or Cageman may see it and help me out.

I think it says that the 13 year old (that is pictured) has a 15 year old sister that has also gone missing but is home now.  I think it says that the 13 year old showed up for school at some time after she went missing?  And it seems to say that they think she could be part of a satanic gang "La Cripta"?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news4.html

June 11, 2009 Diario

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Papiamentu translation:

according informe of the mama: catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo for of ten trip owing to go back huy of his cas oranjestad (aan): at redaccion of daily paper owing to present sra. maria figaroa, that is mother of the child muher catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo. according the mother, his child for of ten trip owing to huy of cas. past owing to bay diadomingo nightfall, although monday past owing to present at his school cu is colegio epb hato. for of the day ey, neither a know nothing more of dje. the madam owing to tell cu already end police have one file enough extenso relaciona cu the huymento of his two child muher. his another child cu have 15 year, also owing to desaparece the week here but police owing to haye diaranzon madruga in one car cu two child muher. now the is at home, owing to señala. but for thing is the child muher more diminutive here of 13 year, the is much preocupa because the know cu have person cu tine scondi y they haci they self complice of the delito here. past owing to let know also cu the welonan is voogd of the child this for they bienestar because in various occasion past owing to wordo menaza of dead y ataca also door of one gang. owing to tell cu his child is in one gang satanico cu have the name of “la cripta” cu is more tanto form for person more big. they owing to change his child y owing to hinke in cosnan odd. for of time cu the child owing to enter school epb past owing to cuminza change y comporta odd, but also past owing to cuminza bay for of cas. sra. figaroa owing to haci one apelacion at esnan cu can know algo of the paradero of his child for calling number of telephone 587-3401 or keep of police north. come across


Thses two young girls were also missing last month for a few days and were returned homw after being beaten up by some gang group.  I remember translating the article.  This new article states mom and grandpa are very worried becasue the 13 yr old went to school and has now gone missing and did not return home from school. It mentions the 15 yr old sister was in a car with two other female friends after school but doesnt know the whereabouts of the younger sister.  The grandfather is concerned the gang called the cripts which dabbles in satanism has something to do with her dissapearance because in the past this gang has threatened them and threatened harm to them.  the gang was so bold as to knock on the familys home door and threaten to kill them. Family is asking anyoner with info on 13 yr old wherabouts to call police.   



Just my opinion But WHY is it if these girls were beaten the last time after being gone missing for almost a week WHY didnt police do something then.?  Now this child has been missing and endangered again and didnt return home from school?  IF the police know or had been told which gang tool them the last time WHY wasnt something done?   Women and children are easy preys and not respected on this island.  How is it that mothers and fathers sisters and brothers and family and friends put up with this bullshit.  Its time to get your guns out and protect your families if the police wont.  I never before believed in vigilantism but with all the thngs going on against woman and children Im begining to change my mind.  Anyoneone hurting my family watch out= your ass is mine.   Sorry for the rant, hope I never have to live up to that statement.

We were just having this conversation.  Someone I know house was robbed yesterday.  They asked me what would I do if the person came in our house.  I said if the person was coming in my home they weren't coming in to shake my hand.  They were coming in to do harm.  In my opinion it is either kill or be killed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 14, 2009, 09:47:16 PM
I've been trying to figure out what this article says about this young girl that has been missing for a while now.  I'm hoping that maybe Sandy Leiva or Cageman may see it and help me out.

I think it says that the 13 year old (that is pictured) has a 15 year old sister that has also gone missing but is home now.  I think it says that the 13 year old showed up for school at some time after she went missing?  And it seems to say that they think she could be part of a satanic gang "La Cripta"?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news4.html

June 11, 2009 Diario

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Papiamentu translation:

according informe of the mama: catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo for of ten trip owing to go back huy of his cas oranjestad (aan): at redaccion of daily paper owing to present sra. maria figaroa, that is mother of the child muher catheryne joanna agudelo agudelo. according the mother, his child for of ten trip owing to huy of cas. past owing to bay diadomingo nightfall, although monday past owing to present at his school cu is colegio epb hato. for of the day ey, neither a know nothing more of dje. the madam owing to tell cu already end police have one file enough extenso relaciona cu the huymento of his two child muher. his another child cu have 15 year, also owing to desaparece the week here but police owing to haye diaranzon madruga in one car cu two child muher. now the is at home, owing to señala. but for thing is the child muher more diminutive here of 13 year, the is much preocupa because the know cu have person cu tine scondi y they haci they self complice of the delito here. past owing to let know also cu the welonan is voogd of the child this for they bienestar because in various occasion past owing to wordo menaza of dead y ataca also door of one gang. owing to tell cu his child is in one gang satanico cu have the name of “la cripta” cu is more tanto form for person more big. they owing to change his child y owing to hinke in cosnan odd. for of time cu the child owing to enter school epb past owing to cuminza change y comporta odd, but also past owing to cuminza bay for of cas. sra. figaroa owing to haci one apelacion at esnan cu can know algo of the paradero of his child for calling number of telephone 587-3401 or keep of police north. come across


Thses two young girls were also missing last month for a few days and were returned homw after being beaten up by some gang group.  I remember translating the article.  This new article states mom and grandpa are very worried becasue the 13 yr old went to school and has now gone missing and did not return home from school. It mentions the 15 yr old sister was in a car with two other female friends after school but doesnt know the whereabouts of the younger sister.  The grandfather is concerned the gang called the cripts which dabbles in satanism has something to do with her dissapearance because in the past this gang has threatened them and threatened harm to them.  the gang was so bold as to knock on the familys home door and threaten to kill them. Family is asking anyoner with info on 13 yr old wherabouts to call police.   



Just my opinion But WHY is it if these girls were beaten the last time after being gone missing for almost a week WHY didnt police do something then.?  Now this child has been missing and endangered again and didnt return home from school?  IF the police know or had been told which gang tool them the last time WHY wasnt something done?   Women and children are easy preys and not respected on this island.  How is it that mothers and fathers sisters and brothers and family and friends put up with this bullshit.  Its time to get your guns out and protect your families if the police wont.  I never before believed in vigilantism but with all the thngs going on against woman and children Im begining to change my mind.  Anyoneone hurting my family watch out= your ass is mine.   Sorry for the rant, hope I never have to live up to that statement.

Sandy, I so agree with you.  There is not much respect for women and everything seems to be their fault.  Men rule that island.  It appears to me the family has been trying to get the police to help them with this gang (which if they are crypts they are one bad group) and they were left more to fend for themselves.  I cannot even imagine what Natalee went through cause these boys knew there were no consequences for their actions what so ever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 14, 2009, 09:51:32 PM
Snip:

We were just having this conversation.  Someone I know house was robbed yesterday.  They asked me what would I do if the person came in our house.  I said if the person was coming in my home they weren't coming in to shake my hand.  They were coming in to do harm.  In my opinion it is either kill or be killed.

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San, my husband wants to buy a gun (we have never owned one, he did growing up hunting with his father though) and I am about at the point to let him do it.  I will take the classes so I can have the concealed gun license is the only way I will have it in my home.  If someone comes through my door into my home by breaking in I would do what I have to do to protect myself and my family so it is something I am considering.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 14, 2009, 09:54:32 PM
You are not going to believe this but we are about to get hit with more severe storms again.  This is starting to get old.  Tonight I WILL NOT stand outside and take pictures though.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2009, 09:56:54 PM
Snip:

We were just having this conversation.  Someone I know house was robbed yesterday.  They asked me what would I do if the person came in our house.  I said if the person was coming in my home they weren't coming in to shake my hand.  They were coming in to do harm.  In my opinion it is either kill or be killed.


San, my husband wants to buy a gun (we have never owned one, he did growing up hunting with his father though) and I am about at the point to let him do it.  I will take the classes so I can have the concealed gun license is the only way I will have it in my home.  If someone comes through my door into my home by breaking in I would do what I have to do to protect myself and my family so it is something I am considering.
[/quote]

In todays day in age you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself.  As long as there are no young children to get at the gun and you know how to use it I say do it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2009, 09:57:58 PM
You are not going to believe this but we are about to get hit with more severe storms again.  This is starting to get old.  Tonight I WILL NOT stand outside and take pictures though.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Stay safe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 09:58:06 PM
caesu,

Please check this link out and tell us what you think.  I see that Mr. P.G. Blanken (Mos' replacement) was involved in some correspondence regarding the case in 2000-2001.

Thanks in advance!

http://www.sdnl.nl/pleidooi-promotie.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 10:02:37 PM
Snip:

We were just having this conversation.  Someone I know house was robbed yesterday.  They asked me what would I do if the person came in our house.  I said if the person was coming in my home they weren't coming in to shake my hand.  They were coming in to do harm.  In my opinion it is either kill or be killed.


San, my husband wants to buy a gun (we have never owned one, he did growing up hunting with his father though) and I am about at the point to let him do it.  I will take the classes so I can have the concealed gun license is the only way I will have it in my home.  If someone comes through my door into my home by breaking in I would do what I have to do to protect myself and my family so it is something I am considering.

In todays day in age you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself.  As long as there are no young children to get at the gun and you know how to use it I say do it.

I don't know how to fix that quote stack!   ::MonkeyConfused::

But wanted to add;

We have guns, and everybody in my home knows how to use them....and WILL use them. 

Don't mess with texasmom!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 10:03:50 PM
You are not going to believe this but we are about to get hit with more severe storms again.  This is starting to get old.  Tonight I WILL NOT stand outside and take pictures though.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Stay safe Blue Moon!  My prayers are with you! 

I'm relieved you won't be taking pictures during this one!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 10:05:34 PM
Snip:

We were just having this conversation.  Someone I know house was robbed yesterday.  They asked me what would I do if the person came in our house.  I said if the person was coming in my home they weren't coming in to shake my hand.  They were coming in to do harm.  In my opinion it is either kill or be killed.


San, my husband wants to buy a gun (we have never owned one, he did growing up hunting with his father though) and I am about at the point to let him do it.  I will take the classes so I can have the concealed gun license is the only way I will have it in my home.  If someone comes through my door into my home by breaking in I would do what I have to do to protect myself and my family so it is something I am considering.

In todays day in age you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself.  As long as there are no young children to get at the gun and you know how to use it I say do it.

I don't know how to fix that quote stack!   ::MonkeyConfused::

But wanted to add;

We have guns, and everybody in my home knows how to use them....and WILL use them. 

Don't mess with texasmom!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Forgot to add, I don't miss.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2009, 10:05:51 PM
Snip:

We were just having this conversation.  Someone I know house was robbed yesterday.  They asked me what would I do if the person came in our house.  I said if the person was coming in my home they weren't coming in to shake my hand.  They were coming in to do harm.  In my opinion it is either kill or be killed.


San, my husband wants to buy a gun (we have never owned one, he did growing up hunting with his father though) and I am about at the point to let him do it.  I will take the classes so I can have the concealed gun license is the only way I will have it in my home.  If someone comes through my door into my home by breaking in I would do what I have to do to protect myself and my family so it is something I am considering.

In todays day in age you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself.  As long as there are no young children to get at the gun and you know how to use it I say do it.

I don't know how to fix that quote stack!   ::MonkeyConfused::

But wanted to add;

We have guns, and everybody in my home knows how to use them....and WILL use them. 

Don't mess with texasmom!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



I knew there was a reason why I liked you  :smt066


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 14, 2009, 10:08:09 PM
Snip:

We were just having this conversation.  Someone I know house was robbed yesterday.  They asked me what would I do if the person came in our house.  I said if the person was coming in my home they weren't coming in to shake my hand.  They were coming in to do harm.  In my opinion it is either kill or be killed.


San, my husband wants to buy a gun (we have never owned one, he did growing up hunting with his father though) and I am about at the point to let him do it.  I will take the classes so I can have the concealed gun license is the only way I will have it in my home.  If someone comes through my door into my home by breaking in I would do what I have to do to protect myself and my family so it is something I am considering.

In todays day in age you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself.  As long as there are no young children to get at the gun and you know how to use it I say do it.

I don't know how to fix that quote stack!   ::MonkeyConfused::

But wanted to add;

We have guns, and everybody in my home knows how to use them....and WILL use them. 

Don't mess with texasmom!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Forgot to add, I don't miss.   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 14, 2009, 10:12:48 PM
I guess I will call it a night.  I hear the thunder and can see the lightning and it is getting closer by the minute.  That tells me it is time to turn off the laptop and disconnect it.

Have a good night.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 14, 2009, 10:13:59 PM
I guess I will call it a night.  I hear the thunder and can see the lightning and it is getting closer by the minute.  That tells me it is time to turn off the laptop and disconnect it.

Have a good night.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Please stay safe Blue Moon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 10:15:26 PM
Snip:

We were just having this conversation.  Someone I know house was robbed yesterday.  They asked me what would I do if the person came in our house.  I said if the person was coming in my home they weren't coming in to shake my hand.  They were coming in to do harm.  In my opinion it is either kill or be killed.


San, my husband wants to buy a gun (we have never owned one, he did growing up hunting with his father though) and I am about at the point to let him do it.  I will take the classes so I can have the concealed gun license is the only way I will have it in my home.  If someone comes through my door into my home by breaking in I would do what I have to do to protect myself and my family so it is something I am considering.

In todays day in age you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself.  As long as there are no young children to get at the gun and you know how to use it I say do it.

I don't know how to fix that quote stack!   ::MonkeyConfused::

But wanted to add;

We have guns, and everybody in my home knows how to use them....and WILL use them. 

Don't mess with texasmom!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



I knew there was a reason why I liked you  :smt066

 ::MonkeyDevil::  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 10:16:13 PM
I guess I will call it a night.  I hear the thunder and can see the lightning and it is getting closer by the minute.  That tells me it is time to turn off the laptop and disconnect it.

Have a good night.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Good night, and stay safe Blue Moon!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2009, 11:11:32 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 14, 2009, 11:14:47 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 11:21:08 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

Absolutely!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 11:23:01 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 14, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2009, 11:34:52 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...
BEFORE the "Castle Law", we had the same situation.....but truth be told --- NO jury in Texas would EVER convict you for protecting your "castle."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2009, 11:36:05 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2009, 11:42:40 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::
Exactly! Now we don't have to "drag them inside"!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2009, 11:49:51 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

My aunt said some guy was ringing her door bell.  She didn't answer the door and he kept ringing it.  She got so nervous she called her neighbor.  She said there is a strange man at my front door.  The neighbor looks out her door and says he is not at your front door he is at your side door.  My aunt told her call the cops for me she said all of a sudden she heard her neighbor outside her gate telling the guy Jesus will get you  ::MonkeyEek:: .  My aunt goes here is a guy high as a kite and she is screaming Jesus will get you.  She goes to her neighbor get back in the house  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .  Long story short after my aunt came out of the house and there was a stare down the guy left.

Moral to the story shoot first ask questions later  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2009, 11:54:10 PM
So..... what do you think scared the intruder the worst?   The threat of Jesus, your aunt , or the crazy neighbor?????  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2009, 11:55:29 PM
So..... what do you think scared the intruder the worst?   The threat of Jesus, your aunt , or the crazy neighbor?????  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel::

The crazy neighbor  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2009, 12:02:06 AM
Have a good night everyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 12:14:14 AM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

My aunt said some guy was ringing her door bell.  She didn't answer the door and he kept ringing it.  She got so nervous she called her neighbor.  She said there is a strange man at my front door.  The neighbor looks out her door and says he is not at your front door he is at your side door.  My aunt told her call the cops for me she said all of a sudden she heard her neighbor outside her gate telling the guy Jesus will get you  ::MonkeyEek:: .  My aunt goes here is a guy high as a kite and she is screaming Jesus will get you.  She goes to her neighbor get back in the house  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .  Long story short after my aunt came out of the house and there was a stare down the guy left.

Moral to the story shoot first ask questions later  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Those are words I live by!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 12:15:12 AM
Have a good night everyone.

You too San!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 12:41:05 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 15, 2009, 12:41:38 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Now that's a funny story after knowing everyone is safe! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 15, 2009, 12:42:26 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 12:43:49 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night Keepthefaith!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 12:44:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 15, 2009, 01:32:18 AM
I was wrong...Kobe in 5...not 6... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 15, 2009, 01:34:28 AM
I was wrong...Kobe in 5...not 6... ::MonkeyCool::
If only aruba/NL showed the same determination as Kobe did to win his 4th...
Justice for Natalee would have been a done deal...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 15, 2009, 01:35:44 AM
Good night good Monkeys....
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 02:13:06 AM
Good night good Monkeys....
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee!!

Good night billb!  Sorry I missed ya!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 02:14:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 15, 2009, 09:45:05 AM


Too bad I didn't have the opportunity to tell Mr. Harms what I think about Aruba.  :smt097 

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well I noticed that he blamed Beth, Greta, Dr Phil, etc for the negative perception of Aruba.

What I failed to notice in his article was the placing of the blame directly where it belongs - with Joran van der Sloot, Paulus van der Sloot, and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Surely that man knows it was THOSE FOUR MEN who have caused and created this whole mess and put Aruba in a bad light?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 10:53:28 AM


Too bad I didn't have the opportunity to tell Mr. Harms what I think about Aruba.  :smt097 

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well I noticed that he blamed Beth, Greta, Dr Phil, etc for the negative perception of Aruba.

What I failed to notice in his article was the placing of the blame directly where it belongs - with Joran van der Sloot, Paulus van der Sloot, and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Surely that man knows it was THOSE FOUR MEN who have caused and created this whole mess and put Aruba in a bad light?  ::MonkeyRoll::

... and those involved in the coverup ... the ALE, the prosecution, the judiciary, the "powers that be" in both the Dutch/Aruban administrations.

Janet

++++


BETH HOLLOWAY ... IN HER OWN WORDS

The Jonesboro Sun - January 29, 2007


Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - December 2, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.  You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it's supposed to be, just (INAUDIBLE) the primary residence of Paulus Van Der Sloot was never searched —I mean, you know, it just can't help but raise all the questions of—and leave us frustrated.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - December 6, 2005

TWITTY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE - Beth Holloway

Page 194
: It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 12:40:03 PM
Inquiring minds want to know:

1.  Why was Tim Trahn unable to determine if there was anything Natalee Holloway case related in the visual dive of December 30, 2008.  The conclusion of the Aruban divers was a certainty?

2.  Why did Tim Trahan leave the Dateline viewers with the deceptive impression that the visual dive revealed nothing Natalee Holloway case related rather stating that underlying factors dictated that he was unable to determine conclusively the contents of the trap?

3.  When the ROV footage was consider ... why did Time Trahan not make a second dive?

4.  What exactly was discussed at the meeting with Hans Mos and Adolph Richarding prior to the visual dive?

5.  Why was Tim Trahan not a participant in the January 7, 2008 recovery dive?

6.  Considering Tim Trahan claims he could not "conclusively" determine anything case related in the December 30, 2007 visual dive and ... did not participate with the Aruban dive team on January 7, 2008 ... why did he play a role in the happenings throughout 2008 in regards to the ROV footage?

7.  What redeeming role did Tim Trahan play as the American diver on board the Persistence in the search for Natalee Holloway's remains?

Janet

+++++++


TIM TRAHAN - THE VISUAL DIVE - DECEMBER 30, 2007  

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman:  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee.  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  To clarify the thumb down issue: It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive. One thumb up was to indicate human remains.  There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.

Kyle Kingman:  By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive.  What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap  based on the visual-only inspection.


TIM TRAHAN - THE RECOVERY DIVE - JANUARY 7, 2008

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.


TIM TRAHAN - ROV FOOTAGE INVOLVEMENT - 2008

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  No one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."

Kyle Kingman:  Louis [Schaefer] is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday.  I do not know how far along this documentary is.  I have not had any part in it.  In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis.  Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle Kingman: She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.

Kyle Kingman:   Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.

Kyle Kingman:   Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kyle Kingman: I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

Kyle Kingman:  Differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 01:19:08 PM
SPY ON BOARD?  

When it is considered that Eduardo Mansur ... who never dived on the Trap ... and Jossy Mansur are one in the Aruban divers' and John Silvetti's contentions that there was nothing case related in the trap/cage  ... could there have been a negotiated agreement with the Aruban “powers that be” ... a negotiated agreement which would imply a betrayal of trust in regards to Natalee Holloway and her family to further the coverup agenda?
 
What was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's constant presence on board the Persistence?  Could the “powers that be” have taken advantage of the trusted relationship that existed between Jossy Mansur and the family of Natalee Holloway?   Could the “powers that be” had assumed that Eduard Mansur presence on board the Persistence would not be questioned  or undermine?

One member of the crew, who held a professional position on board the Persistence, had his suspicions.


EDUARDO MANSUR

KYLE KINGMAN - ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman:  I would really like to know how that got out on the [JAN] 23rd. I know for a fact the following cast of characters knew about the trap and sampling. This is not a complete list, just who I know who knew:  Dateline NBC, Tim Miller, Dave and Robin H., Beth, Persistence crew, Aruban police dive division, Tim Trahan, Louis Schafer (sp), Mos, Richardson, Eduardo Mansur.

Kyle Kingman:  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.


JOSSY MANSUR

JOSSY MANSUR:
  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 01:57:20 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

Behinds the scenes ... I am in the process of compiling with assistance a rather large document that questions the actions of the following persons who each has a connection to the Persistence endeavor ... who I sincerely believe ... intentionally or unintentionally ... played a role in the furthering the Aruban coverup agenda.

1.  John Silvetti
2.  Louis Schaefer
3.  Tim Trahan
4.  Kyle Kingman
5.  Tim Miller
6.  Dave Holloway
7.  Eduardo Mansur

Considering the lack of like-minded responses from Monkeys on THIS forum to my backup posts ... I have come to the conclusion that I am ... for the most part ... in the minority in regards to this topic being "fully" explored but ... I am compelled to following my heart.

It is my prayer that that one of the above listed persons will be the catalyst who will bring closure to the mother of Natalee Holloway by revealing the truth.

I will share when the document is completed.

Janet
10:55 AM PT

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Credit: Klaas



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 02:33:20 PM
A REMINDER

Beth Holloway deserves to bring her precious daughter home ... home to her country ... home to her family.  ANYBODY who ... intentionally or unintentially ... has participated ... is participating ... with the enemy ... the enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 ... must be held accountable ... must take responsibility.

Janet

++++++

'Scarborough Country' - July. 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER
: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' - July. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 15, 2009, 02:40:01 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

Behinds the scenes ... I am in the process of compiling with assistance a rather large document that questions the actions of the following persons who each has a connection to the Persistence endeavor ... who I sincerely believe ... intentionally or unintentionally ... played a role in the furthering the Aruban coverup agenda.

1.  John Silvetti
2.  Louis Schaefer
3.  Tim Trahan
4.  Kyle Kingman
5.  Tim Miller
6.  Dave Holloway
7.  Eduardo Mansur

Considering the lack of like-minded responses from Monkeys on THIS forum to my backup posts ... I have come to the conclusion that I am ... for the most part ... in the minority in regards to this topic being "fully" explored but ... I am compelled to following my heart.

It is my prayer that that one of the above listed persons will be the catalyst who will bring closure to the mother of Natalee Holloway by revealing the truth.

I will share when the document is completed.

Janet
10:55 AM PT

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Credit: Klaas



I'm in agreement with you Janet.I believe Dave & Tim Miller are unintentional,so to speak.I'm still struggling as to why you'd associate yourself with the likes of Mark Purcell or anybody else on Aruba for that matter.I do understand Dave is trying to bring his daughter home,i just don't think it will come from the methods he is using.I could be absolutely wrong..Tim Miller.I understand he's searching for missing people but,is there no else that can assist him other then Silvetti & Schaefer?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 03:12:51 PM
Thank you Keepthefaith.

I could be wrong but I cannot locate anything in my research that implies that ... John Silvetti was never a participant/contributor in TES endeavors prior to the Persistence undertaking.

In the name of justice for Natalee Holloway and ... in the name of closure for the family ... why did Tim Miller remain silent in regards to his sincere concerns regarding the happenings on board the Persistence?


1.  Along with Kyle Kingman ... Tim Miller was convinced the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed Natalee Holloway's remains were inside that trap.

2.  Following the December 30, 2007 ... Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman were troubled in regards to the verification by only Aruban divers that nothing case related was inside that trap.

3.  John Silvetti wanted Tim Miller off the Persistence ... he considered Tim a libability.

4.  Within two days of the December 30, 2007 dive ... Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were following up on a false lead to Nicaragua.

5.  Tim Miller was not on board the Persistence for the January 7, 2008 to witness the recovery dive.


It appears that immediately following the Nicaragua hoax ... Tim Miller's concerns were pacified/appeased.  Further TES efforts may have been advanced in regards to John Silvetti's support but ... justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family may have be sacrified as a result.

Think about it:


1.  In February, 2008 ... Tim Miller was involved in a Bill Kurtis production/documentary promoting TES.

2.  In March, 2008 ... an outreach for funds which were to be directed to TES was made by Kyle Kingsman three days prior to the Persistence suddenly leaving Aruba ... funds that were to be used to underwrite the investigation of other targets ... an endeavor that has yet to happened.

3.  Throughout, 2008 right to February, 2009 ... John Silvetti has been providing manpower and resources to TES.


Keepthefaith ... I spared you my backup quotes which ... for the most part ... I have posted time and time again.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 15, 2009, 03:30:22 PM
With both Dave & Tim,i continue to hope & Pray,that there truly is a bigger picture in regards to their ongoing relationships with certain individuals.If there is not a bigger picture & these relationships are all for not..I'm very disappointed!JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 03:32:37 PM

I'm in agreement with you Janet.I believe Dave & Tim Miller are unintentional,so to speak.I'm still struggling as to why you'd associate yourself with the likes of Mark Purcell or anybody else on Aruba for that matter.I do understand Dave is trying to bring his daughter home,i just don't think it will come from the methods he is using.I could be absolutely wrong..Tim Miller.I understand he's searching for missing people but,is there no else that can assist him other then Silvetti & Schaefer?

Keepthefaith

1.  Tim Miller not voicing his concerns encompassing the recovery of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains was a beneficial choice in regard to TES donor confidence.  Think about it.  Tim Miller ... who had an indepth knowledge of the Aruban coverup ... was a participant in the planning stages of this endeavor ... an endeavor which no protocol was established to assure there was an FBI presence if something that appeared to be Natalee Holloway case related was discovered.  If Monkeys could predict there would be no positive outcome with the enemy in control ... why didn't Tim M.

2.  Tim Miller's ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti was a choice ... a choice that lacked principle.  Making the right choices out of principle ... is not always easy but ... it is right.

IMO.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 03:45:07 PM
There cannot be a double standard in regards to free passes and accountability.  Which is it?

Janet

+++++

Kyle Kingman:
1.  Internet posts reveal that Kyle was troubled by the events encompassing the contents of the trap
2.  Kyle backtracks
3.  Kyle has an on-going professional relationship with John Silvetti (Norway/Egypt).


Tim Miller:
1.  According to Kyle Kingman's own words it is revealed that Tim Miller was troubled by the events encompassing the contents of the trap
2.  Tim is silent.
3.  Tim has an on-going professional relationship with John Silvetti (TES).


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 03:54:30 PM
What makes me so disappointed in Tim Miller ... is I am positive that his choices would have been different if there had been a possibility that the remains of his beloved daughter had been in that trap.  In all probability ... this quiet appeasing man would have gone up one side of John Silvetti and down the other in regards to the Arubans being afforded unchallenged sole custody of the contents of that trap.  Tim would not have remained silent.  He would have not had a professional relationship with the man who betrayed him.

Janet

+++++

DECEMBER 30, 2007 - THE VISUAL DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


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Post by: jen3560 on June 15, 2009, 04:02:32 PM
Janet - I don't think this has been proven to be "fact".

1.  In February, 2008 ... Tim Miller was involved in a Bill Kurtis production/documentary promoting TES.

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And actually, I would have to think otherwise, considering Tim had an exclusive agreement with Dateline.

And remember - Tim Miller was NO LONGER aboard the Persistence when Kurtis got to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 04:21:49 PM
Janet - I don't think this has been proven to be "fact".

1.  In February, 2008 ... Tim Miller was involved in a Bill Kurtis production/documentary promoting TES.

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And actually, I would have to think otherwise, considering Tim had an exclusive agreement with Dateline.

And remember - Tim Miller was NO LONGER aboard the Persistence when Kurtis got to Aruba.

Jen

Do we know that for sure?

I contend in January, 2008 ... following the Nicaragua hoax ... there was a meeting of the minds between John Silvetti and Tim Miller.  Considering Dateline was on board the Persistence right up until December 30, 2007 and ... Bill Kurtis did not arrive on the Island until the end of January, 2008 ... the Kurtis documentary must of been filmed in February, 2008.

Janet

+++++++++


MARCH, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08:
  We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 15, 2009, 04:29:35 PM
2NJ - do you have an SM email addy I could contact you thru?


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 15, 2009, 04:33:37 PM
2NJ - do you have an SM email addy I could contact you thru?

None of the mods have SM email, only admins do, Jen.  Klaas did suggest setting up a hotmail account for this purpose, but I never did.   Give me a few minutes and I'll create one.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 15, 2009, 04:37:14 PM
2NJ - do you have an SM email addy I could contact you thru?

None of the mods have SM email, only admins do, Jen.  Klaas did suggest setting up a hotmail account for this purpose, but I never did.   Give me a few minutes and I'll create one.    ::MonkeyWink::
Thanks!

This is about a Monkey I'm having bug eyes about seeing here.  I did send klaas an email, and I see she is back on now........but I'd like to send one to you as well.

Apologies for the O/T Monkeys.

Carry on!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 15, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
2NJ - do you have an SM email addy I could contact you thru?

None of the mods have SM email, only admins do, Jen.  Klaas did suggest setting up a hotmail account for this purpose, but I never did.   Give me a few minutes and I'll create one.    ::MonkeyWink::
Thanks!

This is about a Monkey I'm having bug eyes about seeing here.  I did send klaas an email, and I see she is back on now........but I'd like to send one to you as well.

Apologies for the O/T Monkeys.

Carry on!  ::MonkeyCool::

SM2NJ@hotmail.com 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 15, 2009, 04:45:26 PM
2NJ - do you have an SM email addy I could contact you thru?

None of the mods have SM email, only admins do, Jen.  Klaas did suggest setting up a hotmail account for this purpose, but I never did.   Give me a few minutes and I'll create one.    ::MonkeyWink::
Thanks!

This is about a Monkey I'm having bug eyes about seeing here.  I did send klaas an email, and I see she is back on now........but I'd like to send one to you as well.

Apologies for the O/T Monkeys.

Carry on!  ::MonkeyCool::

SM2NJ@hotmail.com 

Thanks - sent!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 15, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
No mention of Aruba but everybody in the Caribbean is giving it away..Sucks to be Aruba...... ::MonkeyDance::

Rock-bottom prices for summer fun in the Caribbean

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/getaways/06/15/caribbean.resorts.kids/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 05:57:48 PM


Too bad I didn't have the opportunity to tell Mr. Harms what I think about Aruba.  :smt097 

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well I noticed that he blamed Beth, Greta, Dr Phil, etc for the negative perception of Aruba.

What I failed to notice in his article was the placing of the blame directly where it belongs - with Joran van der Sloot, Paulus van der Sloot, and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Surely that man knows it was THOSE FOUR MEN who have caused and created this whole mess and put Aruba in a bad light?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Good afternoon Monkeys! 

EXACTLY Jen!

I probably should have cooled down a bit before I made my post about the article.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

My anger at the "perception" problem being blamed on Natalee, Beth, and some of the media that kept her story in the news just infuriated me!  I'm so sick of the blame being misdirected.  I could have had a really good rant about it, but made my short and to the point comment instead.

Some of what I was thinking:

The authorities in Aruba know who is responsible for the crimes against Natalee.

They had a confession in less than two weeks.

They covered up that statement and any evidence.

They have stonewalled and tortured Natalee's family for four years.

They have put as much or more money and energy into a blatant disinformation campaign, as they have any investigation.

They made their bed, now they can lay in it!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 06:03:11 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58112.php

Google translation:

Seven years for murder and TBS Ingar Bareno

15 Jun, 2009, 13:36 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / UTRECHT - Nigel Quandt (23) was sentenced Friday to seven years jail and TBS forcing nursing for the murder of 24-year-old chemistry student Ingar Bareno in November last year. The court came to meet the requirement of the Public Prosecutor (OM).

Quandt Bareno brought on November 27, 2008 mess with character to life. The culprit was convinced that his girlfriend had committed adultery with Bareno. A row over the alleged adultery was completely out of hand, with the offender - under the influence of cocaine - three times instak on Bareno. The victim died on the spot to his injuries.

The court found that there was sufficient evidence for murder. Quandt would have had enough time to think about his actions. He used drugs and a knife hidden in his clothes when he heard that Bareno to him would come. Quandt's lawyer says his client against the sentence appeals. "He does not agree with the conviction for murder with premeditation rade. Find the penalty too high, since it reduced allocation subject has been declared "said counselor. During the investigation revealed that Quandt to suffer a personality disorder and therefore greatly reduced allocation susceptible.

Quandt was also convicted of attempted murder on his girlfriend. On the day of the fatal sting party had abused her and attempted to strangle. He wanted to provoke an admission that it had gone strange. Ultimately, said they fear for her life the name of Ingar Bareno, the boyfriend of her best friend.

As in the previous session, when the requirement of the OM has been submitted, the emotions were also high at this time. While Quandt after the decision by agents from the room was accompanied called one of the friends of the victim after him: "Ayo, yui di puta." (Goodbye, whore son). The culprit turned immediately but was restrained by four officers.

Although the ruling of the court in accordance with the requirements of the OM was found the mother of the victim is not satisfied. "It is a low penalty for such a boy. Such a man does not belong in society to be. "No punishment was long enough. "My son will never be back."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 06:09:48 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58111.php

Google translation:

Aruba

50 percent time share tourism

15 Jun, 2009, 13:32 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-procent-toerismeti.gif)

ORANGE CITY - Half of tourism in Aruba is from the time share industry. That showed during the presentation of the semi-annual report of Aruba Timeshare Association (ATSA). The branch, which is 15 time-share hotel represent it continued its activities set for the rest of the year. ATSA gave in its report to have done research on new opportunities by, among others in collaboration with the University of Aruba called White Paper report to and discuss with tour Interval International. ATSA also announced a major review of all time-share hotels. In the recently published monthly report for the month of March 2009, the Central Bank of Aruba that the average occupancy rate of hotels and timeshares in Aruba was 79.5 percent, a reduction of 5.5 percentage points compared with the previous year. In the first three months of 2009 the occupancy rate fell by 4.7 percentage points to 80.7 percent, compared with the corresponding period of 2008.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 06:14:39 PM
Aruba
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58108.php)

Google translation:

The deceased founder Palm Tours

15 Jun, 2009, 13:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Luis' Wichi 'the Palm yesterday at the age of 85 in the hospital deceased. The co-founder of the Company Palm Tours was since early last week in the Horacio Oduber Hospital. In the presence of many family members he was there, on the medium care unit, the last sacrament.

Originally Bonairiaan, moved The Palm at the age of 15 to our island. He began his career as clerk of the Panama Company Store, where he soon opklom to the post of assistant manager. The Palm then continued his career in oil Lago Oil & Transport. In 1960 he founded the famous company in the Palm Tours. For his company and the product Aruba 'to promote he flew around the world. He sold his company in 1975 to Harold Malmberg whose family still control the company. Meanwhile, the company has grown into the largest business activities in Aruba.

Luis The Palm was for years a member of the Aruba Lions Club with which he performed work for the Aruban community. Born on the island of Bonaire, the Palm also the Little League of the island and created a tourism office in Aruba Bonaire. The tourists to our island to get a one time visit to the neighboring island of Bonaire. Unfortunately, this office because of high costs eventually close its doors.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 06:16:07 PM
Aruba

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58108.php

Google translation:

The deceased founder Palm Tours

15 Jun, 2009, 13:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Luis' Wichi 'the Palm yesterday at the age of 85 in the hospital deceased. The co-founder of the Company Palm Tours was since early last week in the Horacio Oduber Hospital. In the presence of many family members he was there, on the medium care unit, the last sacrament.

Originally Bonairiaan, moved The Palm at the age of 15 to our island. He began his career as clerk of the Panama Company Store, where he soon opklom to the post of assistant manager. The Palm then continued his career in oil Lago Oil & Transport. In 1960 he founded the famous company in the Palm Tours. For his company and the product Aruba 'to promote he flew around the world. He sold his company in 1975 to Harold Malmberg whose family still control the company. Meanwhile, the company has grown into the largest business activities in Aruba.

Luis The Palm was for years a member of the Aruba Lions Club with which he performed work for the Aruban community. Born on the island of Bonaire, the Palm also the Little League of the island and created a tourism office in Aruba Bonaire. The tourists to our island to get a one time visit to the neighboring island of Bonaire. Unfortunately, this office because of high costs eventually close its doors.

edit to correct link


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 06:22:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58105.php

Aruba

Years in prison for robbery of tourists

15 Jun, 2009, 13:30 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Joshua Buddy last week sentenced to twelve months imprisonment of which four months conditional on the robbery at a tourist on January 17 this year. In this robbery, he threatened the victim with a stone and went with an estimated 400 to 500 dollars in cash here.

The offender would be the pockets of tourists from his hands and ripped them are gone. The victim then continued in the pursuit. Al running the robber took the money from the wallet and threw it away. When the tourists were chasing him Buddy grabbed a rock and threatened the victim with them. A bystander gave the advice to tourists tramp alone to 'because it is dangerous. " The victim is going to do when reporting to the police. Agents were arrested later that day Buddy.

Although Buddy defense hung up a story about a homosexual man who offered him money, the court believed his story. Especially as a witness the history of the victim was able to confirm. The relatively heavy punishment, the courts protect the community against these veelpleger. Buddy is a friend of the police and has a long criminal record. He was in the past nine years now seven times previously convicted of criminal offenses and is addicted to drugs. Upon his arrest the police found 4 grams of cocaine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 06:35:24 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58101.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Kitesurfing in the dark

15 Jun, 2009, 13:25 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-nightriders-_ar_-1.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - Before an enthusiastic audience, last weekend to the beach at Fisherman's Hut had come, let Aruba's best kite surfers show their skills during the event Night Riders. It was the first time that such an event was held, complete with large lights on the water-oriented, food, drink and music including DJ Jeroen and Theo Sanders. The surfers themselves took everything from the closet. One by one they flew a few meters away from the public in the air. A few are persuaded kite with fluorescent lights, another was a spectator along on his back. The water had organizer Red Bull floating platforms and rails placed from or to be blown by the kite surfers, but they were hardly used.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 06:49:23 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9729/5/

Papiamentu translation:

navy y guarda costa is practica cu fragata venezolano

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/juni/juni15/fregata.jpg)

monday, 15 june 2009 - 16:06

unidadnan of navy regal y guarda costa of antiyas y aruba is practicando the week here together cu venezuela in one practica bilateral “venhol” y practicanan of guarda costa “open eyes.” click read more for more info... during the “venhol”, have enfasis on practicanan maritime. so the barco hr.ms. van amstel (f-831) y the fragata venezolano general soublette (f-24) is practicando they competencianan on territory of maniobra, operacionnan of helicopter y defenza aereo. for haci the cooperacion more soepel, was have intercambio of oficialnan liaison. at the same instant is tumando lugar the practicanan of guarda costa “open eyes”. in this they're haci various maniobranan maritimo y aereo, caminda the kustwachtcutter jaguar y the botonan of patrol venezolano freedom (pc-14) y tripulacion (pg-409), is participa in various scenario. the enfasis is stay here on “search and rescue”. at the practicanan also owing to participa unidadnan of citro y sarfa. the unidad venezolano owing to arrive diahuebs afternoon curaçao y owing to ancra at nieuwe werf. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 07:05:37 PM
What I gather is that someone else must have represented themselves at a function as being in the position that Eric "the Brute Boss" Brete holds.  I think that picture is from when he went off on Hero Brinkman.  He just wants to make sure everyone KNOWS "who's the boss" of protocol.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9726/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/juni/juni15/ericbrete.jpg)


the unique person in the apparatus gubernamental cu have the funcion of boss of protocol is sr. eric brete

monday, 15 june 2009 - 14:17

ultimo time we can owing to constata cu frecuentemente several instancia gubernamental y another organisacion in comunidad - at instant cu they organisa one evento or actividad protocolar - is declara cu they owing to wordo asesora for her boss of protocol of gobierno. click read more for more info... among another this was the caso of the forum cu did take lugar diadomingo night at seaport conference center. sinembargo buscando more informacion we owing to comprende cu have cierto empleadonan publico cu is give they self the titulo of boss of protocol of gobierno, siendo cu this not t’asina. without doubt some, this is peca contra all the regulation y leynan existente cu is rigi the organisacion in the apparatus gubernamental. for less y evita cualkier confusion we wanted informa all comunidad cu the unique person cu have the funcion oficial of boss of protocol of gobierno is sr. eric brete y this by of 2001. is pesey let we all as give the good ehempel y respeta cada person for her funcion cu the is cubri. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9728/5/#jc_allComments

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/juni/juni15/comunicado/DSC_0005.JPG)


ambassador dutch at washington close governor

monday, 15 june 2009 - 15:10 in cuadro of one visit of cortesia, governor fredis refunjol, owing to ricibi visit of the ambassador dutch at washington madam r. jones-bos.e ambassador was acompaña for ministro plenipotenciario of aruba at washington madam j.heronimo-croes.durante his estadia at aruba madam jones-bos in his calidad because; ambassador dutch at washington will sostene various meeting y will visit several instancia social, cultural, comercial. servicio informativo of gobierno. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 07:14:27 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9724/5/

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/juni/juni15/valero.jpg)

valero will descend plant mey mey of july

monday, 15 june 2009 - 13:28

according valero energy corp owing to tell monday, the will schuif the bahamento of plant temporario of the refineria at aruba for of end of june till cu mey mey of july. click read more for more info... according bill day, vocero of valero energy corp, now they're planeando for cuminza at comienzo y termina mey mey of july. then, as cu already we owing to anuncia end, for motibonan of crisis mundial, y despite cu decision did take lugar for descend plant already at end of the month here, this will bay take lugar mediano of july for one period of three month till cu so far. 24ora.com will stay pendiente of more news if provided that caso will bay have more cambio. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 07:15:24 PM
My prayer is that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller do what is right and reveal the truth from their perspective in regards to the the happenings encompassing the trap ... a perspective that was initially very troubling to BOTH of them.

I would assume that Tim Miller shared his concerns encompassing the trap with Dave Holloway while they were following up on the Nicaragua tip immediately following the December 30, 2007 visual dive.  When you consider that Tim Miller was 99.9% convinced that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap ... logic dictates that the topic would have had to come up .

This is the reason I cannot comprehend why Dave Holloway have put John Silvetti in touch with the "head of the Hotel Association" ... the enemy ... if he had been aware of Tim Miller's concerns or ... did Dave have faith in the Arubans to do the right thing ... the Aruban who had prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
 
Janet

+++++++
 
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:
  I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about  

Kyle Kingman:  Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.


JOHN SILVETTI - IN HIS OWN WORDS

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association  who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


BETH HOLLOWAY - IN HER OWN WORDS

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 158:
  . The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 07:23:51 PM
I guess if they just cruise on by Aruba in their yachts, the following may be true!

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9722/6/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/juni/juni15/ArubaTree.jpg)

msnbc: aruba one of the destinacionan of more "safe" at world

monday, 15 june 2009 - 12:18

recientemente msnbc owing to make one reportahe on the destinacionan of more assure rond world. the medio of comunicacion is informa cu despite of the caso big of natalee holloway at aruba, the islands abc is one of the lugarnan of more assure for viaha. the stadisticanan is talk cla. level of crimen contra tourist is abow, instabilidad politico casi do not take lugar y the islands is situa mucho south for one horcan. aruba was the unique island cu the haja one "perfect score" in one the encuesta of turism of yacht. click read more for more detayes. for can owing to make the investigacion here msnbc owing to compila several dato of "u.s state department" encuanto crimen contra ciudadanonan mericano in exterior y also owing to analisa the ultimo relato of united nations. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 07:35:12 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9714/18/

Papiamentu translation:

while cu gobierno is reforza reglanan of imigracion, ehecutivonan of valero is wash hand

monday, 15 june 2009 - 10:23

during the conferencia of prensa semanal of avp owing to elabora at one as very amplio for thing is deal the polemica of valero. is menciona cu at instant cu prijs of productonan follow lever on market internacional, bbo is cause cu the overall of the refineria cu have cu pay will aumenta. click read more for more info... the compania here all esunnan cu know of refineria, do you have to bay inverti in the refineria at aruba if do you wanted mantene for some year more. inversionnan is on 5 biyon. ehecutivonan of valero is come aruba y wanted inverti, but gobierno does not owing to sit at table. also they wanted owing to try of perhudica door of enforza the same reglanan cu they owing to impone of imigracion y is haci cu the refineria have to owing to canela several turn around y ehecutivonan is wash hand for thing tat rata aruba. this is one of the motibonan cu owing to place refineria for sale. today we can see cu owing to enter aruba thing owing to pronostica, cu are you see one nel oduber, first minister of aruba, is sit at merca is try of acusa everybody but is forget cu his maneho is cause of thing aruba is pasando in dje. we have one crisis economic, according sr. de meza, but mature is cu the gobierno here is place aruba in one situation precario cu is cause cu have one situation so. this is haci cu aruba is become onaantrekkelijk for inversionistanan big because not have stabilidad fiscal neither politico. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 07:40:33 PM
The following article implies that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were involved from the getgo in the planning stages of the search in Aruban waters for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

Considering Dave Holloway and Tim Miller's indepth knowledge of the dynamics encompassing the Aruban coverup ... I cannot comprehend why these two men would be participants of such a huge undertaking without assurance that there would be an FBI presence if anything that appeared to be case related was discovered.  Allowing the enemy unchallenged sole possession does not make sense.

How many who sacrificially donated to the Persistence undertaking would have done so if they were aware that the the enemy would have full control of any find that deemed significant.  I know I would not.  Why?  Private Eye said it best ...

Janet

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THE BEGINNING -

From here to Aruba
BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Published/Last Modified on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST


John Silvetti said his company became involved in the search after he was contacted by Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer had been approached by Texas Equusearch, a non-profit organization that has been searching for Holloway for more than two years.

Schaefer asked Silvetti if he could provide the survey personnel and the geophysical equipment required for the search. After spending a weekend with Schaefer and Pam and Dave Holloway, Silvetti agreed.

“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE - THE GAME WAS FIXED

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further.

After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains...hmm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 07:56:47 PM
I guess if they just cruise on by Aruba in their yachts, the following may be true!

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9722/6/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/juni/juni15/ArubaTree.jpg)

msnbc: aruba one of the destinacionan of more "safe" at world

monday, 15 june 2009 - 12:18

recientemente msnbc owing to make one reportahe on the destinacionan of more assure rond world. the medio of comunicacion is informa cu despite of the caso big of natalee holloway at aruba, the islands abc is one of the lugarnan of more assure for viaha. the stadisticanan is talk cla. level of crimen contra tourist is abow, instabilidad politico casi do not take lugar y the islands is situa mucho south for one horcan. aruba was the unique island cu the haja one "perfect score" in one the encuesta of turism of yacht. click read more for more detayes. for can owing to make the investigacion here msnbc owing to compila several dato of "u.s state department" encuanto crimen contra ciudadanonan mericano in exterior y also owing to analisa the ultimo relato of united nations. come across

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 08:18:19 PM
What frustrates me no end is that those who should have known better ... those who were well aware of the dynamics encompassing the Aruba coverup ... failed to impliment a plan necessary to protect Natalee Holloway's remains from being destroyed by the enemy.

The entire Persitence undertaking was for naught if the plan was to allow the Arubans unchallenged control.  Could it be that bringing Natalee Holloway home was never the objective.

Janet

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LOGIC DICTATES!

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08
:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 08:20:29 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY NEVER STOOD A CHANCE!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
Blue Moon!!!

Any updates?  I will go to the Prayer thread.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 08:38:26 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

Behinds the scenes ... I am in the process of compiling with assistance a rather large document that questions the actions of the following persons who each has a connection to the Persistence endeavor ... who I sincerely believe ... intentionally or unintentionally ... played a role in the furthering the Aruban coverup agenda.

1.  John Silvetti
2.  Louis Schaefer
3.  Tim Trahan
4.  Kyle Kingman
5.  Tim Miller
6.  Dave Holloway
7.  Eduardo Mansur

Considering the lack of like-minded responses from Monkeys on THIS forum to my backup posts ... I have come to the conclusion that I am ... for the most part ... in the minority in regards to this topic being "fully" explored but ... I am compelled to following my heart.

It is my prayer that that one of the above listed persons will be the catalyst who will bring closure to the mother of Natalee Holloway by revealing the truth.

I will share when the document is completed.

Janet
10:55 AM PT

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Credit: Klaas



Janet,

I don't know what you expect us to do.  I cannot accuse Tim Miller nor most especially Dave Holloway of intentionally furthering the Aruban coverup.

My thought is that both were estatic that Louis Schaefer was willing to FUND the Persistence mission in the beginning.  The mere cost of such an undertaking would be overwhelming for anyone that hoped such a mission could be launched in search of a loved one.  Tim Miller knows better than anyone how many individual donations and even corporate donations it would take to make such a mission possible.  YES...somewhere along the way that changed and TES was used to raise funds for it. 

Dave Holloway nor Tim Miller OWNED THE PERSISTENCE, which left John Silvetti to make the decision on where the boat was docked; and other decisions regarding the boat....WHO WAS ON BOARD....AND THE ACTIVITIES OF THE CREW.

My thought is that both Dave Holloway and Tim Miller TRUSTED those they were working with on the endeavor, and BELIEVED that these men were dedicated to helping this family.  I don't believe that Tim Miller nor Dave Holloway would have ever EVEN IMAGINED that these men that THEY considered American Heroes would ever even consider doing anything that would compromise the ultimate goal....FINDING NATALEE AND BRINGING HER HOME.  Yes, Tim Miller SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE when any samples were taken, I believe the timing of that was deliberate so that he wasn't there.

In MY OPINION at the point that Dave Holloway was informed that a large amount of money was needed or the mission would be over; he put John Silvetti in contact with the AHATA representative because he believed that with the prospect of Natalee's remains being found by the Persistence, AHATA should and would be willing to make a large contribution toward that effort.  Think about it...IF Natalee's remains had been recovered by the Persistence, and returned home where she belongs...IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MEGA HUGE NEWS!  Wouldn't AHATA want to be able to say that they made a large contribution to that effort?  There would still be the matter of NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, but her being returned home where she belongs...and AHATA helping make that possible would have been a very positive mark for AHATA in the minds of many Americans and people all over the world that have followed this case. 

Hindsight is always 20/20 Janet, and if Dave Holloway and Tim Miller are guilty of anything...it was TRUSTING THE WRONG PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.  AGAIN.   ::MonkeyWaa::

As far as the working relationship Tim Miller has with them now, I have no idea other than the possibilities I've stated previously which are pure speculation.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 08:43:46 PM


I am retreating to the safety of my own private hidey hole.  ::MonkeyTongue::::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2009, 08:47:28 PM


I am retreating to the safety of my own private hidey hole.  ::MonkeyTongue::::MonkeyCool::

I liked your post Texasmom.  Is there room in your hidey hole for a bee?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2009, 08:50:19 PM


I am retreating to the safety of my own private hidey hole.  ::MonkeyTongue::::MonkeyCool::

I liked your post Texasmom.  Is there room in your hidey hole for a bee?

Thanks MuffyBee!  There's always room for you...as long as you leave your stinger here!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you for asking, it prevented me from making a post that I probably would have wanted to take back.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 15, 2009, 09:04:55 PM
Janet I posted an update last night in prayer thread.  Today is even better, tomorrow is on to a rehab center and then home from there.  Much better spirits today and can move her arm a little bit today.  One day at a time.

Janet, I just don't know what to say about Tim and Dave other than I honestly do not believe they had anything to do with this coverup except for the fact they were naive and being used.  Used by AHATA, Aruba, and the ALE and finally by the crew of the Persistence.  Dave, to me, is very naive and wanted with all his heart to believe these people in Aruba could and would help him find his baby girl.  They didn't and all I can hope for for him now is it has gone on too long and now is the time to stand strong and against this corrupt island and tell it like it is.  Aruba WILL NEVER give justice for Natalee. 

All I can say at the moment is I am here foremost for Natalee and I pray a hero will rescue her and bring her home to her family.  I will stand beside Beth through it all for that very reason.  There has to be one honest person on that island who will do the right thing for Natalee and her family but I do know who that person/persons are not-AHATA, the Dutch elite, Julia R., Mark P., and so on and so on.  Precious time was wasted by believing in these scrums.  They did not care for Natalee and they really did not care for Natalee's mother--she told it like it is.  They did not like that.

Tim Miller will allow people to use him and vice versus if it helps him bring one more son/daughter/mother/father home to their families.  In my heart I believe Tim knew what he saw and that will forever haunt him just as finding the remains of his daughter did.  He knew then, he knows now.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 09:05:20 PM
Monkeys

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that exposed John Silvetti's participation with the Arubans in the finale to the coverup agenda that has prevented justice for Natalee Holloway from prevailing since the morning of May 30, 2005.

When I scan the OIL & GAS PIPELINE INFO Thread ... it is obvious that Monkeys believe that the John Silvetti betrayal must be researched and exposed in the the name of justice of Natalee Holloway.  Although I feel completely out of the loop in this effort ... I support it 100% nevertheless.

On the other hand ... I am a believer that those who are personally aware of the John Silvetti betrayal ... but choose to remain silent  while continuing a professional relationship with Silvetti ... are also participants in the Aruban coverup.

Justice for Natalee Holloway will always be my focus and ... those who deter this objective will not be given a free pass no matter who they are ... Kyle Kingman or Tim Miller.

Janet

++++++


Kyle Kingman:
1.  Internet posts reveal that Kyle was troubled by the events encompassing the contents of the trap
2.  Kyle backtracks
3.  Kyle has an on-going professional relationship with John Silvetti (Norway/Egypt).


Tim Miller:
1.  According to Kyle Kingman's own words it is revealed that Tim Miller was troubled by the events encompassing the contents of the trap
2.  Tim is silent.
3.  Tim has an on-going professional relationship with John Silvetti (TES).


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2009, 09:09:39 PM


I am retreating to the safety of my own private hidey hole.  ::MonkeyTongue::::MonkeyCool::

I liked your post Texasmom.  Is there room in your hidey hole for a bee?

Thanks MuffyBee!  There's always room for you...as long as you leave your stinger here!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you for asking, it prevented me from making a post that I probably would have wanted to take back.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Rant warning:

Texasmom, neither you nor I should want to take back what is in our hearts.  I don't know all the details of what went on during certain times on the Persistence.  Unless a person was there, they wouldn't know.  In my heart and mind, there is absolutely no comparison of Tim Miller and Kyle as men.  So there is no reason to lump them together.  I keep reading about the silence of Tim Miller because Janet sent him an email and he hasn't answered it.  I don't know why he hasn't answered it. He may or may not have even gotten it.   But Tim Miller is not accountable to answer emails from people he doesn't even know about a very tender subject.  Because he doesn't answer Janet does not make him guilty of anything in any way, shape or form of anything.  I have even seen it posted that maybe Tim Miller would have acted differently if it had been HIS daughter missing instead of Natalee.  I think that's just wrong.  Tim Miller's record stands for itself.  It hasn't been about personal financial gain for him nor being famous.  Far from it.  No one gets a free pass, but on the other hand I don't think anyone should smear Tim Miller's name and efforts here.  If one of my loved ones went missing, I would hope Tim Miller and TES would come to my aid.  No free pass, not wrong to ask questions, but very wrong to make ASS-umptions and keep repeating them over and over, when I don't see evidence.  Some may have suspicions but I don't see tangible evidence of Tim Miller purposefully doing wrong.  I am tired of seeing Tim Miller hung out here to dry.  What is it? An ego problem because Tim hasn't answered an email?  Who are you that Tim MUST answer to your email or faith your wrath and your assumptions?  I stand with the girl.  And I stand with Tim Miller.  Muffy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
BTW texasmom, I won't need to be sharing that hidey hole you got there.   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2009, 09:17:20 PM
Not to change the subject, and it's sort of an inside joke but....

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Evidentally Johan and ******* have connected me in some way to hermit crabs   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 15, 2009, 09:19:41 PM
Not to change the subject, and it's sort of an inside joke but....

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_JohanCrazy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=JohanCrazy.flv)

Evidentally Johan and ******* have connected me in some way to hermit crabs   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think this is Johan's hermit crab he measured in the cage.  ALE bagged it up for good measure.

How lame are those two?   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 15, 2009, 09:26:50 PM
I agree with texas, Muffy and Blue.

I also agree that johan is a bit off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
Janet I posted an update last night in prayer thread.  Today is even better, tomorrow is on to a rehab center and then home from there.  Much better spirits today and can move her arm a little bit today.  One day at a time.

Janet, I just don't know what to say about Tim and Dave other than I honestly do not believe they had anything to do with this coverup except for the fact they were naive and being used.  Used by AHATA, Aruba, and the ALE and finally by the crew of the Persistence.  Dave, to me, is very naive and wanted with all his heart to believe these people in Aruba could and would help him find his baby girl.  They didn't and all I can hope for for him now is it has gone on too long and now is the time to stand strong and against this corrupt island and tell it like it is.  Aruba WILL NEVER give justice for Natalee. 

All I can say at the moment is I am here foremost for Natalee and I pray a hero will rescue her and bring her home to her family.  I will stand beside Beth through it all for that very reason.  There has to be one honest person on that island who will do the right thing for Natalee and her family but I do know who that person/persons are not-AHATA, the Dutch elite, Julia R., Mark P., and so on and so on.  Precious time was wasted by believing in these scrums.  They did not care for Natalee and they really did not care for Natalee's mother--she told it like it is.  They did not like that.

Tim Miller will allow people to use him and vice versus if it helps him bring one more son/daughter/mother/father home to their families.  In my heart I believe Tim knew what he saw and that will forever haunt him just as finding the remains of his daughter did.  He knew then, he knows now.  JMO

Yes Blue Moon.  One day at a time.

Hugs.


++++++


Thank you for your response. 

I stand with Beth 100% and this is why I am so frustrated that all those involved with the Persistence undertaking  ... intentionally or unintentionally ... may have prevented the last chance to have her precious daughter given back to her ... affording her a measure of closure.

However ... I cannot give a pass to those who unintentionally participated in furthering the Aruban coverup UNTIL they break their silence and expose John Sivetti's betrayal for what it was.

I will work silently behind the scenes on this topic while robo posting reminders that a corrupt Aruban investigation prevent justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen.

Thanks again Blue Moon and ... you, your sister and family are in my prayers.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 09:40:13 PM
MuffyBee

I never expected an answer to my email regarding my concerns.

If you read my posts ... my backup quotes reveal the foundation of my positions on the issues.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2009, 09:47:45 PM
Quote
However ... I cannot give a pass to those who unintentionally participated in furthering the Aruban coverup UNTIL they break their silence and expose John Sivetti's betrayal for what it was.

No problem with asking questions.  But you have gone beyond asking questions and have made assumptions and unfounded accusations against Tim Miller.  No one is saying to give him a pass.  But neither do you need to trash him here continuously, every day because he hasn't answered your email.  Everyone has seen the questions.  And there are more questions than answers.  I just think it's very, very wrong of you to darken Tim Miller's name. Yes, you and others may have questions.  That's not wrong to question.  But look back and read what you are posting.  It's hateful imo, and doesn't bring any answers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2009, 09:52:42 PM
MuffyBee

I never expected an answer to my email regarding my concerns.

If you read my posts ... my backup quotes reveal the foundation of my positions on the issues.

Janet


I've read your posts Janet.  And I still think you are wrong to post what you are posting about Tim Miller.  You don't have questions, you've been judge, jury and executioner..  The foundation of my position is Tim Miller has done more than anyone I know to help find the missing, including Natalee Ann Holloway imo.  Whatever you think about Tim and his silence is what you will think.  God bless Tim Miller.  Muffy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2009, 09:56:56 PM
Quote
However ... I cannot give a pass to those who unintentionally participated in furthering the Aruban coverup UNTIL they break their silence and expose John Sivetti's betrayal for what it was.

No problem with asking questions.  But you have gone beyond asking questions and have made assumptions and unfounded accusations against Tim Miller.  No one is saying to give him a pass.  But neither do you need to trash him here continuously, every day because he hasn't answered your email.  Everyone has seen the questions.  And there are more questions than answers.  I just think it's very, very wrong of you to darken Tim Miller's name. Yes, you and others may have questions.  That's not wrong to question.  But look back and read what you are posting.  It's hateful imo, and doesn't bring any answers.

MuffyBee

What would your reaction be to Tim Miller's silence regarding what he observed on the Persistent and ... what would your reaction be to Tim Miller's ongoing professinal relationship with John Silvetti IF the remains of your loved one could have been in that trap.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Ingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2009, 09:59:57 PM
I've said my piece peace and now:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2009, 10:02:47 PM
AND fighting about it isn't going to help either.

This is my opinion:

Tim Miller is not a perfect person and neither is anyone else.  Tim could have been wrong about what he thought he saw in the cage.  I'm not saying nothing was there but he could have been wrong about WHAT was there.

Dave Holloway is simply doing anything he can and trusting some of the wrong people along the way.  I have no idea what goes through Robins mind.

I stand behind Beth and with Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2009, 10:08:09 PM
I apologize if I've disrupted this thread, and intend no disrespect to Natalee or memory.  That is why I zipped it and will say no more.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 15, 2009, 10:08:47 PM
ABC seems to be the major network in this area that is consistently airing the Aruba commercials.  Also some cable networks I've seen.

What has anyone else seen across the nation?   

Just hoping to move the dialogue along.....     ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 15, 2009, 10:14:41 PM
ABC seems to be the major network in this area that is consistently airing the Aruba commercials.  Also some cable networks I've seen.

What has anyone else seen across the nation?   

Just hoping to move the dialogue along.....     ::MonkeyCool::

I used to see commercials on HGTV but haven't for a long time.  As for ABC, I refuse to watch anything on the 3 major networks and it has really been a long time since I watched anything other the American Idol. So I haven't seen anything in quite a while.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2009, 10:15:53 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: mytime on June 15, 2009, 10:22:00 PM
ABC seems to be the major network in this area that is consistently airing the Aruba commercials.  Also some cable networks I've seen.

What has anyone else seen across the nation?   

Just hoping to move the dialogue along.....     ::MonkeyCool::


I have never seen an Aruba commercial in my area.  Bahamas yes, Aruba no!   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 15, 2009, 10:26:26 PM
ABC seems to be the major network in this area that is consistently airing the Aruba commercials.  Also some cable networks I've seen.

What has anyone else seen across the nation?   

Just hoping to move the dialogue along.....     ::MonkeyCool::

I used to see commercials on HGTV but haven't for a long time.  As for ABC, I refuse to watch anything on the 3 major networks and it has really been a long time since I watched anything other the American Idol. So I haven't seen anything in quite a while.

Thanks, Blue Moon.  HGTV is one cable station I watch that has them.  Just was curious about the ABC 20/20 Cuomo specials about the case & the contracts ABC has with Aruba....still observing....just not sure what it all means, if anything.   

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 15, 2009, 10:29:48 PM
ABC seems to be the major network in this area that is consistently airing the Aruba commercials.  Also some cable networks I've seen.

What has anyone else seen across the nation?   

Just hoping to move the dialogue along.....     ::MonkeyCool::


I have never seen an Aruba commercial in my area.  Bahamas yes, Aruba no!   ::MonkeyWink::



Thanks, MT.....wonder how this is all arranged?   That's why I asked, because I know across the nation & elsewhere things are broadcasted at different times and on other networks. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 15, 2009, 10:36:31 PM
Is Aruba still showing up here in the U.S. for the travel shows?  I haven't heard anything about them lately.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2009, 10:39:48 PM
Is Aruba still showing up here in the U.S. for the travel shows?  I haven't heard anything about them lately.

Yes, I'm sure they are.  I don't know when or where the next travel show is but they will likely be there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: mytime on June 15, 2009, 10:41:18 PM
ABC seems to be the major network in this area that is consistently airing the Aruba commercials.  Also some cable networks I've seen.

What has anyone else seen across the nation?   

Just hoping to move the dialogue along.....     ::MonkeyCool::


I have never seen an Aruba commercial in my area.  Bahamas yes, Aruba no!   ::MonkeyWink::



Thanks, MT.....wonder how this is all arranged?   That's why I asked, because I know across the nation & elsewhere things are broadcasted at different times and on other networks. 

I only this much.  My husband will be running an ad/commercial - it will only reach 180,000 people in my area.  It will be on during NG!!  ::MonkeyRoll::

And it was very inexpensive!!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 15, 2009, 10:42:08 PM
Is Aruba still showing up here in the U.S. for the travel shows?  I haven't heard anything about them lately.

Yes, I'm sure they are.  I don't know when or where the next travel show is but they will likely be there.
I think most travel shows are in the winter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 15, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
AND fighting about it isn't going to help either.

This is my opinion:

Tim Miller is not a perfect person and neither is anyone else.  Tim could have been wrong about what he thought he saw in the cage.  I'm not saying nothing was there but he could have been wrong about WHAT was there.

Dave Holloway is simply doing anything he can and trusting some of the wrong people along the way.  I have no idea what goes through Robins mind.

I stand behind Beth and with Natalee.

I agree with this as a valid & good opinion.  I also don't think Janet was trying to muddy Tim's name.  I think she is just looking at what ifs.   (and there are a lot of those we don't really know)

I, personally, have not responded because I can't....as I posted yesterday, she's not talking to herself....I am just thinking about all of these things & sometimes it's a crap shoot (sorry, I don't play that game but I heard the phrase in my lifetime).   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 15, 2009, 10:55:38 PM
Well, it looks like I moved the dialogue along to a HALT.    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 15, 2009, 11:08:22 PM
Good Evening...Linda in MD, Dihannah1, 2NJSons_Mom, klaasend, Debbie, Keepthefaith, wreck and 14 Guests 

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2009, 11:09:57 PM
Good Evening...Linda in MD, Dihannah1, 2NJSons_Mom, klaasend, Debbie, Keepthefaith, wreck and 14 Guests 

 ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Hotping.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 15, 2009, 11:10:10 PM
Good nite Monkeys. 

One thing, I have great respect for Janet and all her work she puts into this.  Muffy, same for you.  That's all I am going to say.

Good nite.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 15, 2009, 11:17:11 PM
Good Night Blue Moon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
BTW texasmom, I won't need to be sharing that hidey hole you got there.   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I was looking forward to the company, even picked a few bright summer flowers just to brighten up the place a bit.  Filed my fingernails as a last resort.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 12:10:09 AM
Good nite Monkeys. 

One thing, I have great respect for Janet and all her work she puts into this.  Muffy, same for you.  That's all I am going to say.

Good nite.

Sorry, I missed saying good night to you Blue Moon...and I agree with you.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 12:12:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 12:13:21 AM


Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 16, 2009, 12:16:25 AM


Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

Good night, TM.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 16, 2009, 12:17:07 AM


Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 01:47:42 AM
6/16/2009 Awe Mainta Page 11

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06162009AweMaintaPg11.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

medidanan fiscal of gobierno owing to aumenta ‘cost or doing business’ of hotelnan cu 30%

acolyte of fraccion of avp in parliament, otmar oduber is expresa cu do not can nothing cu aib together cu wts y brown advocaten owing to work one rapport. several trip the faction berde self owing to bring fast kico the consecuencianan will is for we turism of the form negligente cu the gobierno is maneha turism. owing to show on the mature of efectonan cu will had for bbo, same efectonan y con have to atende cu the problematica of natalee holloway, owing to discuti y show cu if gobierno not actua the problem of the crisis mudial is bay afectanos much more duro cu thing we self is imagina. cada times gobierno owing to come behind they y give avp razon hour cu cos not was bayendo good. in the rapport upstairs menciona cu owing to wordo work for her 5 cadenanan hotelero more big cu is opera here at aruba, is wordo tell cu one of the motibonan principal for cual today have cadenanan hotelero cu is in problem akinan at aruba is bbo cu owing to wordo introduci by of gobierno. is show cu the cost or doing business here at aruba for her hotelnan owing to aumenta in the ultimo 5 añanan cu more of 30%. this owing to come netamente by of the inestabilidad cu have for thing is deal the sistema fiscal at aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 01:49:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!




::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 16, 2009, 02:35:29 AM
Texasmom & MuffyBee....
THANK YOU!

Keep on the critical path, which is dissecting the events/motives wrt persistence/john s/louis s./kyle (little boy) kingman/tim t/ata/ahata/purcell/renho/gizzardwizardlizzard/pm/om(pos kj&mos)/richardson/pj2k..That is the focus going forward......
looking for dirt on the family and American hero's don't do anything to promote Justice for Natalee..

Having said that I look forward to any future reports that show evidence of wrongdoing that directly prevented or covered up Justice for Natalee...no matter where it leads....but foundation must be laid before assumptions.....
mhoo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 16, 2009, 03:07:36 AM
Expressing opinions is where it is at in the search for...Justice for Natalee....
There is no reason to divide on Justice for Natalee....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 16, 2009, 03:11:44 AM
Good night good Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 16, 2009, 04:58:38 AM
Goodnight Monkeys! I hope all are sleeping soundly!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 16, 2009, 05:00:38 AM
Jen? If you should want a little red white and blue, you're all fixed up!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/Jen.gif

Did I mention I can't sleep?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 08:37:50 AM


Too bad I didn't have the opportunity to tell Mr. Harms what I think about Aruba.  :smt097 

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well I noticed that he blamed Beth, Greta, Dr Phil, etc for the negative perception of Aruba.

What I failed to notice in his article was the placing of the blame directly where it belongs - with Joran van der Sloot, Paulus van der Sloot, and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Surely that man knows it was THOSE FOUR MEN who have caused and created this whole mess and put Aruba in a bad light?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Good afternoon Monkeys! 

EXACTLY Jen!

I probably should have cooled down a bit before I made my post about the article.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

My anger at the "perception" problem being blamed on Natalee, Beth, and some of the media that kept her story in the news just infuriated me!  I'm so sick of the blame being misdirected.  I could have had a really good rant about it, but made my short and to the point comment instead.

Some of what I was thinking:

The authorities in Aruba know who is responsible for the crimes against Natalee.

They had a confession in less than two weeks.

They covered up that statement and any evidence.

They have stonewalled and tortured Natalee's family for four years.

They have put as much or more money and energy into a blatant disinformation campaign, as they have any investigation.

They made their bed, now they can lay in it!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



And may that be a very rocky bed for some time to come.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 08:44:34 AM
Txmom - these are as near to my thoughts as you could get.  Thank you for this post.

When a person is relying on someone else to do a good deed for them - there's not much that person can do or say to make any changes in a "humanitarian endeavor" on his behalf, without feeling like a complete heel.  Not to mention being perceived as ungrateful.

Poor Dave (and Tim) were at the mercy of those who had promised to help them.



Janet,

I don't know what you expect us to do.  I cannot accuse Tim Miller nor most especially Dave Holloway of intentionally furthering the Aruban coverup.

My thought is that both were estatic that Louis Schaefer was willing to FUND the Persistence mission in the beginning.  The mere cost of such an undertaking would be overwhelming for anyone that hoped such a mission could be launched in search of a loved one.  Tim Miller knows better than anyone how many individual donations and even corporate donations it would take to make such a mission possible.  YES...somewhere along the way that changed and TES was used to raise funds for it. 

Dave Holloway nor Tim Miller OWNED THE PERSISTENCE, which left John Silvetti to make the decision on where the boat was docked; and other decisions regarding the boat....WHO WAS ON BOARD....AND THE ACTIVITIES OF THE CREW.

My thought is that both Dave Holloway and Tim Miller TRUSTED those they were working with on the endeavor, and BELIEVED that these men were dedicated to helping this family.  I don't believe that Tim Miller nor Dave Holloway would have ever EVEN IMAGINED that these men that THEY considered American Heroes would ever even consider doing anything that would compromise the ultimate goal....FINDING NATALEE AND BRINGING HER HOME.  Yes, Tim Miller SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE when any samples were taken, I believe the timing of that was deliberate so that he wasn't there.

In MY OPINION at the point that Dave Holloway was informed that a large amount of money was needed or the mission would be over; he put John Silvetti in contact with the AHATA representative because he believed that with the prospect of Natalee's remains being found by the Persistence, AHATA should and would be willing to make a large contribution toward that effort.  Think about it...IF Natalee's remains had been recovered by the Persistence, and returned home where she belongs...IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MEGA HUGE NEWS!  Wouldn't AHATA want to be able to say that they made a large contribution to that effort?  There would still be the matter of NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, but her being returned home where she belongs...and AHATA helping make that possible would have been a very positive mark for AHATA in the minds of many Americans and people all over the world that have followed this case. 

Hindsight is always 20/20 Janet, and if Dave Holloway and Tim Miller are guilty of anything...it was TRUSTING THE WRONG PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.  AGAIN.   ::MonkeyWaa::

As far as the working relationship Tim Miller has with them now, I have no idea other than the possibilities I've stated previously which are pure speculation.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 08:46:28 AM
Janet I posted an update last night in prayer thread.  Today is even better, tomorrow is on to a rehab center and then home from there.  Much better spirits today and can move her arm a little bit today.  One day at a time.

Janet, I just don't know what to say about Tim and Dave other than I honestly do not believe they had anything to do with this coverup except for the fact they were naive and being used.  Used by AHATA, Aruba, and the ALE and finally by the crew of the Persistence.  Dave, to me, is very naive and wanted with all his heart to believe these people in Aruba could and would help him find his baby girl.  They didn't and all I can hope for for him now is it has gone on too long and now is the time to stand strong and against this corrupt island and tell it like it is.  Aruba WILL NEVER give justice for Natalee. 

All I can say at the moment is I am here foremost for Natalee and I pray a hero will rescue her and bring her home to her family.  I will stand beside Beth through it all for that very reason.  There has to be one honest person on that island who will do the right thing for Natalee and her family but I do know who that person/persons are not-AHATA, the Dutch elite, Julia R., Mark P., and so on and so on.  Precious time was wasted by believing in these scrums.  They did not care for Natalee and they really did not care for Natalee's mother--she told it like it is.  They did not like that.

Tim Miller will allow people to use him and vice versus if it helps him bring one more son/daughter/mother/father home to their families.  In my heart I believe Tim knew what he saw and that will forever haunt him just as finding the remains of his daughter did.  He knew then, he knows now.  JMO

Very well said Blue Moon.  Tim's heart is ALWAYS in the right place when it comes to missing loved ones.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 08:52:18 AM
Thank you CBB!  I love it!

Jen? If you should want a little red white and blue, you're all fixed up!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/Jen.gif

Did I mention I can't sleep?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 08:58:48 AM
Like a wise monkey said a few pages back - we weren't aboard the Persistence when Silvetti gave Tim the boot.

Kyle wasn't even awake and topside to hear that discussion.  Argument?

It was John's boat, not Tim's and not Dave's.  It was Schaefer's money (ha-ha) not Tim's and not Dave's.  It was a crew taking on this project for pennies on the dollar in terms of their wages.

IMO, the ONLY THING either Dave or Tim could do was make suggestions, and take the whole endeavor with a huge THANK YOU to all of those mentioned above.

Very, very sad truth.  That saying about kicking a gift horse in the mouth comes to mind.

Likely, both of them had to grit their teeth at having no US law enforcement on board - and we know what Beth's brother's opinion was about how Silvetti handled all of it.

Considering it was John's boat - and KNOWING all that Tim Miller has done to try and bring Natalee home over the past 4 years, I can't imagine he left that ship happily, eagerly, or without some choice words for John.

BUT - just because Tim hasn't said anything publicly about what he saw, his feelings about what occurred, or any outrage at it all - doesn't necessarily mean that he, Beth, and Dave haven't discussed this in depth - with him providing other (unknown to us) information about what transpired.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 16, 2009, 11:48:00 AM
Valero Delays Planned Shutdown of Aruba Oil Refinery (Update2)
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By Jessica Resnick-Ault and Barbara Powell

June 15 (Bloomberg) -- Valero Energy Corp., the largest U.S. refiner, will delay until July the planned two- to three- month shutdown of its Aruba plant, originally scheduled for June, Bill Day, a company spokesman, said in an interview.

Valero, based in San Antonio, said last week that the shutdown was for “economic reasons” and to make repairs. The length of the closing still will be two to three months, Day said in a telephone interview today.

Valero is trying to identify what improvements and repairs it will make to the refinery while it is shut. These are not related to Valero’s efforts to sell the refinery, Day said. Valero in November 2007 said it hired UBS Investment Bank to help sell the plant.

“We want to improve it regardless and not necessarily to get it ready for a sale,” Day said. “We had some lingering maintenance issues we want to take care of, including electrical upgrades.”

The plant’s 780 employees will either work on the repairs or will be in training, he said. The Aruba refinery is one of the island nation’s largest employers.

The Aruba plant, with a capacity to process 275,000 barrels of crude oil a day, produces diesel fuel and feedstock for other Valero refineries. It doesn’t make finished gasoline.

Day declined to say whether Valero would divert crude supplies from Aruba to refineries in the U.S.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jessica Resnick-Ault in New York at jresnickault@bloomberg.net; Barbara Powell in Dallas at Bpowell4@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: June 15, 2009 12:26 EDT
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 16, 2009, 11:55:04 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 16, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
I guess if they just cruise on by Aruba in their yachts, the following may be true!

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/9722/6/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/juni/juni15/ArubaTree.jpg)

msnbc: aruba one of the destinacionan of more "safe" at world

monday, 15 june 2009 - 12:18

recientemente msnbc owing to make one reportahe on the destinacionan of more assure rond world. the medio of comunicacion is informa cu despite of the caso big of natalee holloway at aruba, the islands abc is one of the lugarnan of more assure for viaha. the stadisticanan is talk cla. level of crimen contra tourist is abow, instabilidad politico casi do not take lugar y the islands is situa mucho south for one horcan. aruba was the unique island cu the haja one "perfect score" in one the encuesta of turism of yacht. click read more for more detayes. for can owing to make the investigacion here msnbc owing to compila several dato of "u.s state department" encuanto crimen contra ciudadanonan mericano in exterior y also owing to analisa the ultimo relato of united nations. come across
TM This article...Goes with Your Post...  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/aruba-bonaire-and-curacao-dutch-abc-islands-on-a-list-of-the-worlds-safest-places-to-travel/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 16, 2009, 12:56:09 PM
Hi Monkeys!

It's a year today in Caylee's case, and I am mindful of the first anniversary of Natalee's disappearance we all spent together. I thought there would be some stab at justice before now. BUT, we know much more, and like Hotping says, "Prayers are answered in time".

Hotping? I'm trying to make deliveries, so please forgive the O/T! If you should want it..........   ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 16, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
Hi Monkeys!

It's a year today in Caylee's case, and I am mindful of the first anniversary of Natalee's disappearance we all spent together. I thought there would be some stab at justice before now. BUT, we know much more, and like Hotping says, "Prayers are answered in time".

Hotping? I'm trying to make deliveries, so please forgive the O/T! If you should want it..........   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/hotping.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/hotping.gif
Thank You CBB..Of Course I want it....I'll go change right now!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 04:15:52 PM
Looking for any help my fellow Monkeys can provide here.....................

Does anyone know of a connection between Rosalie Klein (AKA Scubajap) and ANY former Monkey?

I received a copy of a communication that might open up a door with LOTS of answers.  Maybe.

TIA!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
Looking for any help my fellow Monkeys can provide here.....................

Does anyone know of a connection between Rosalie Klein (AKA Scubajap) and ANY former Monkey?

I received a copy of a communication that might open up a door with LOTS of answers.  Maybe.

TIA!!

Let me clarify just a bit - a connection with any Stateside former Monkey?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 04:32:44 PM
This might be helpful.

Michelle posted this way back when on her blog (I think 2007):


 **This was emailed to me by "a concerned blogger named 'FNJ' who felt it was necessary to "out" this person. I'm all for outing people if necessary...so here goes!


ROSALIE KLEIN IS SCUBAJAP



1. Scubajap moved to Aruba in 1980 to be a Scuba Instructor


"My English is very good because I am an American. I came to Aruba in 1980 to work as a Scuba instructor, the first first female instructor on the island."


Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 04:16 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/warrant_issued_.html#comments


2. Scubajap is a female and a mother
3. Scubajap is an American
4. Scubajap is Jewish
5. Scubajap has two children
6. Scubajap is a reporter for a newspaper and also freelances
7. Scubajap has traveled extensively
8. Scubajap has lived in Aruba over 25 years, and has ties to the Scuba diving industry  
9. Scubajap was 34 when she had her daughter
10. Scubajap lived in New York  
11. Scubajap has a brother who is engaged  
12. Scubajap has a married sister  
13. Scubajap paints on silk
14. Scubajap attended University in Ohio



1. Rosalie Klein moved to Aruba in 1980 to be a Scuba Instructor
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:SEG8w_pwy2kJ:solodipueblo.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_docman%26task%3Ddoc_download%26gid%3D527%26Itemid%3D2+%22rosalie+klein%22+aruba&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=19

2. Rosalie is a "she" and a mother
3. Rosalie Klein is an American
4. Rosalie Klein is Jewish
5. Rosalie Klein has two children
6. Rosalie Klein is a reporter for Aruba News and freelances
7. Rosalie Klein has traveled extensively
8. Rosalie Klein has lived in Aruba over 25 years, and has ties to the Scuba diving industry
9. Rosalie Klein was 34 when she had her daughter
10. Rosalie Klein lived in New York in the 70’s
11. Rosalie Klein has a brother who is engaged
12. Rosalie Klein has a married sister
13. Rosalie Klein paints on silk
14. Rosalie Klein attended University in Ohio




Does Rosalie Klein get paid to spread filth about Natalee and her family? Or is it "just personal"? Perhaps it is simply another Aruba lover focusing attention away from any possibility of a crime. She describes her intentions best, with the following post:




Of course, now it would appear I am in the middle of a real, life drama, with some real evil to battle. Perhaps that is why I feel compelled to take up arms in this propaganda war...

Posted by: scubajap Sun Jan 15th, 2006 01:42 pm
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=36&forum_id=39&jump_to=873#p873




TELL US, Rosalie, how you feel about Natalee's mother. Please throw in some speculation as well, to fuel the internet rumors...




Everything is he said this and he said that or “Beth said so and so said this” and though I have complete sympathy for the women, it has also been proven her statements aren’t always reliable.

Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 01:22 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/warrant_issued_.html#comments



I am also American and a mother-so don't tell me I don't "feel" for Beth. I have always been sympathetic, but why does she have to lie constantly, even about little things like this? So it really makes one wonder, if she feels impelled to lie about these little things, what else is she lying about, and why?

Posted by: scubajap | Sunday, November 06, 2005 at 06:06 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/beth_twitty_las.html



If the Twittys hadn't kept on pushing...

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, December 05, 2005 at 09:25 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa.html



Bizarre indeed, as is just about everything about this case, including the behavior of the family. There are a number of other points that bear examination, but there have been roadblocks set up by the family constantly along the way............

Posted by: Scubajap | Monday, December 05, 2005 at 10:48 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa.html



I am sorry, I had lots of sympathy for Beth, I am a mother, and I felt for her, but what she is doing, and the people she will hurt by it is an evil thing, I don't care how you try to justify it, it is WRONG.....REally, do you think 1000 of those children are worth on Natalee?

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, December 05, 2005 at 11:26 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa.html



Aside from that, I have found out all these things, the lying, the shoving, long, long ago, and then in the light of that, to see what they are doing, and the people the Twittys associate themselves with and how can I find their actions defendable?....................

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, December 05, 2005 at 11:51 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa.html



Do you all ever feel like we're in a huge, scripted sinister soap opera? From the time Betty & crooks moved Faux News into Aruba with hours of the disappearance to the VDS' being foolish enough to travel to NYC seems like a hell of a lot of coincidences.

Posted by scubajap: Fri Feb 17th, 2006 05:38 pm
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=248&forum_id=29&jump_to=4332#p4332



People are assuming that simply because Dave is an insurance man he had a policy on his daughter's life? sorry, I would like a bit more proof than that. Of course, who needs insurance, when you have book and movie deals? Just a thought.

Posted by: scubajap Sun Jan 15th, 2006 12:33 am
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=26&forum_id=29&jump_to=849#p849



Actually, the interesting aspect of the fact that the guard had the items is simply that they NEVER were reported stolen. There is some speculation that the kids might have traded them for, well, who knows what. If he had anything of Natalee's, as far as I know, it has not been identified as such.

Posted by: scubajap Fri Jan 20th, 2006 11:37 am
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&jump_to=1320#p1320



I can only speculate on what I have heard, and that he is someone from the coast guard stationed out of Curacao, and was here for the night, Natalee's first or second night, and then went back to Curacao. this is from people that know him. Supposedly, he was interviewed by police, I have been told. Just a bit of seculation on my part.

Posted by: scubajap Sun Jan 22nd, 2006 11:22 am
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&jump_to=1432#p1432



I personally did not feel it was important as to what the fluid was, as to whose DNA it belongs to, that is another matter. If not Jug's or J2K, then whose? Does this bring someone else into the room with Natalee? someone she was kissing? just kind of an interesting loose end left hanging there, and until identified, how significant is it?

Posted by: scubajap Sun Jan 22nd, 2006 06:45 pm
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&jump_to=1446#p1446



I think a great deal will be accomplished by interviewing the people from MB....For one thing, I would like to see them question Natalee's roommates very carefully about all thier movements that night and get a time reference as to their comings and going from their room....There are a lot of other pressing questions, IMHO, which can only be answered by talking to those kids....I have a list of questions I would like to see them ask those kids, I sincerely hope they ask them.

Posted by: scubajap Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 11:14 am
http://freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&jump_to=1527#p1527
==================

I wonder just how prophetic Rosalie knew what I highlighted in blue would be.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2009, 05:01:53 PM
Maybe her facebook can give us some answers:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search

She has 622 friends  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 05:07:56 PM
Maybe her facebook can give us some answers:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search

She has 622 friends  ::MonkeyEek::

thanks klaas!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 05:08:55 PM
crap.  I guess I have to register with an account to do anything on Facebook, huh?  ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 16, 2009, 05:11:57 PM
Checking out FB, but had this:

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f13/wedding-photographer-38397/

CindyO and I renewed our wedding vows in April of 2008. We used Rosalie Klein for the photography and she did a wonderful job. Her price was very reasonable.

Rosalie also works as a freelance journalist, and covered my daughter's 16th birthday party at Hard Rock Cafe for the newspaper "The News". Again, very professional.

I've contacted her via e-mail....she is very responsive.

rosalie.klein@gmail.com

Good Luck!
__________________


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 05:23:22 PM
Maybe her facebook can give us some answers:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search

She has 622 friends  ::MonkeyEek::

At first glance, I don't see who I'm looking for.

But check this page of her friends for some interesting names that might help discern what direction I'm going

http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=836109440&flid=&view=everyone&q=&nt=0&nk=0&s=550&st=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 16, 2009, 05:31:17 PM
Maybe her facebook can give us some answers:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search

She has 622 friends  ::MonkeyEek::

At first glance, I don't see who I'm looking for.

But check this page of her friends for some interesting names that might help discern what direction I'm going

http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=836109440&flid=&view=everyone&q=&nt=0&nk=0&s=550&st=0


I follow.....starting from the beginning, I was just noticing local names we all know...Jairo, Dilma, Alberto, Tito, etc. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 05:40:16 PM
Maybe her facebook can give us some answers:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search

She has 622 friends  ::MonkeyEek::

At first glance, I don't see who I'm looking for.

But check this page of her friends for some interesting names that might help discern what direction I'm going

http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=836109440&flid=&view=everyone&q=&nt=0&nk=0&s=550&st=0


I follow.....starting from the beginning, I was just noticing local names we all know...Jairo, Dilma, Alberto, Tito, etc. 

I think I must have been behind - because I never knew before today that Dilma Arends was Dilma Arends Geerman.  Which is interesting in itself..............but on that last page is an even better one, I think.

But keep in mind - we are looking for a stateside former monkey connection to both Rosalie and the name Geerman or Werleman.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 05:43:03 PM
Uhh..........screen shots of that account and friends while you can.

A little birdie told me that Rosalie has been emailed......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 05:49:15 PM
Oh - and I wanted to say hello to our friend on Aruba who's here right now.


 :smt039


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 16, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
And now it's just up to my fellow monkeys to discern who that former stateside monkey is.

Think back to recent departees, and what they've told you about their personal life.  Compare that to the info on Rosalee to find a match.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Can't give out personal info on SM of any member, so this is going to be a lot like the  :rendeer: games we had to play for identification.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 16, 2009, 07:02:59 PM
And now it's just up to my fellow monkeys to discern who that former stateside monkey is.

Think back to recent departees, and what they've told you about their personal life.  Compare that to the info on Rosalee to find a match.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Can't give out personal info on SM of any member, so this is going to be a lot like the  :rendeer: games we had to play for identification.

I would like to buy a vowel. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 16, 2009, 07:24:02 PM
And now it's just up to my fellow monkeys to discern who that former stateside monkey is.

Think back to recent departees, and what they've told you about their personal life.  Compare that to the info on Rosalee to find a match.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Can't give out personal info on SM of any member, so this is going to be a lot like the  :rendeer: games we had to play for identification.

I would like to buy a vowel. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 16, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
crap.  I guess I have to register with an account to do anything on Facebook, huh?  ::MonkeyLaugh::

jen.....you should see some of the sites I have signed up to in order to spy/check up on/learn about/watch/etc. certain people/issues/things, etc.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: disgusting, lol. I hope when I die my computer dies with me, lmao. My Son would be shocked at some of the crap I have on here, but it is necessary for me to do what I do.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 08:23:32 PM
And now it's just up to my fellow monkeys to discern who that former stateside monkey is.

Think back to recent departees, and what they've told you about their personal life.  Compare that to the info on Rosalee to find a match.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Can't give out personal info on SM of any member, so this is going to be a lot like the  :rendeer: games we had to play for identification.

I would like to buy a vowel. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 08:33:29 PM
Like a wise monkey said a few pages back - we weren't aboard the Persistence when Silvetti gave Tim the boot.

Kyle wasn't even awake and topside to hear that discussion.  Argument?

It was John's boat, not Tim's and not Dave's.  It was Schaefer's money (ha-ha) not Tim's and not Dave's.  It was a crew taking on this project for pennies on the dollar in terms of their wages.

IMO, the ONLY THING either Dave or Tim could do was make suggestions, and take the whole endeavor with a huge THANK YOU to all of those mentioned above.

Very, very sad truth.  That saying about kicking a gift horse in the mouth comes to mind.

Likely, both of them had to grit their teeth at having no US law enforcement on board - and we know what Beth's brother's opinion was about how Silvetti handled all of it.

Considering it was John's boat - and KNOWING all that Tim Miller has done to try and bring Natalee home over the past 4 years, I can't imagine he left that ship happily, eagerly, or without some choice words for John.

BUT - just because Tim hasn't said anything publicly about what he saw, his feelings about what occurred, or any outrage at it all - doesn't necessarily mean that he, Beth, and Dave haven't discussed this in depth - with him providing other (unknown to us) information about what transpired.

I agree!  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 08:40:22 PM
Texasmom & MuffyBee....
THANK YOU!

Keep on the critical path, which is dissecting the events/motives wrt persistence/john s/louis s./kyle (little boy) kingman/tim t/ata/ahata/purcell/renho/gizzardwizardlizzard/pm/om(pos kj&mos)/richardson/pj2k..That is the focus going forward......
looking for dirt on the family and American hero's don't do anything to promote Justice for Natalee..

Having said that I look forward to any future reports that show evidence of wrongdoing that directly prevented or covered up Justice for Natalee...no matter where it leads....but foundation must be laid before assumptions.....
mhoo

Thank You billb...I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::

"gizzardwizardlizzard"   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 08:52:13 PM
Aruba

Strong women together

16 Jun, 2009, 14:57 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/16-aruba-vrouwennetwerk-_sh.gif)
 
Gray suits were not available yesterday on the first meeting of Aruban strong women last night in EPI. However, many floral dresses and high heels.

ORANGE CITY - "I am haunted by men in three-piece gray suits," joked Ambassador to the United States, Renée Jones-Bos. She was guest of honor yesterday at the first meeting in Aruba in the network Strong women of the Kingdom.

Bos, together with the Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba in Washington Jocelyne Croes came from the U.S.. She said recently about her career in government where they are in the eighties as the first woman passed the famous' diplomatic class' of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Who this class runs well, is usually a glorious career in the diplomatic world in the future. Forest came to it was still a stronghold of men in three-piece gray suits. Forest was after this class to work at the Embassy in Bangladesh, but they wanted it in the first instance do not have. It would be difficult in this Islamic country for a woman to get up and running, was the other reason for the rejection. Yet they went. "It was just easier because there are more women working than men. The country has also had two female prime ministers, in the Netherlands have not succeeded, "said Bos, who is the first female Director General of Foreign Affairs. And since last year so the first female ambassador of the Kingdom in the United States.

Bos says under the impression of women in Aruba and joined the words of Minister of Education, Social Affairs and Infrastructure, Marisol Lopez Tromp, initiator of the meeting yesterday evening at the EPI Catering. Tromp called for greater solidarity among women. "Cross a helping hand to another woman."
According to Tromp can still better the position of women in Aruba: "There is still a macho culture, yes." In the report finds, for example, that women too often negative light: "It is often at fault . For example, in abuse cases. "She also says her work as a minister, as the only woman in the cabinet, as far as possible try to adjust the position of women. Therefore they are looking for more support to female colleagues as Statenleden Mervin Wyatt-Ras. States President yesterday was also present at the crowded meeting with numerous entrepreneurs, women in the social field and also, stressed the Minister, 'strong' huivrouwen. Even the young cyclist cross Shanayah Howell was there.
The meeting is the first minister says Tromp, the network of strong women Aruban further. Itself in the network of strong women in the Kingdom. This initiative was two years ago by the Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) was created. Target is the position of the Antillean and Aruban women and so are those of the youth.

Edit to add link per texasmom: http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58184.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 09:16:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58182.php

Aruba

Man falls from hotel balcony

16 Jun, 2009, 14:54 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police had last Friday about a quarter to twelve o'clock at night with a message that a man would have fallen from a high floor of a hotel building. When the police spot was found the man of a balcony to his cases. Allegedly was the man in a forest grape plants. The injured was itself not entirely clear. The ambulance took the man to the emergency room for further treatment.

(article failed to mention he was an American tourist)  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.awe24.com/index.php?id=1024&offId=30

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06132009Awe24_4_AmericanTourist-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 13/06/2009 | horario: 00:34

police owing to bay cu urgencia at marriott surf club for one man cu supuestamente owing to cay for of floor saturday some minuut after of half night owing to enter informe cu one tourist will owing to cay for of floor y is throw abao at marriott surfclub, at once owing to dirigi ambulance y police at the sitio. at arrival of police owing to come encontra cu one man throw in the matanan of druif y cu was completamente turdi y cu do not corda what owing to pase. one rato after the ambulance owing to arrive y is atende cu the tourist americano   that although is show one some injury but not was nothing earnest y owing to atende cune in the ambulance at hotel self. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 09:19:46 PM


Thanks MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 09:41:20 PM
Not to change the subject, and it's sort of an inside joke but....

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_JohanCrazy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=JohanCrazy.flv)

Evidentally Johan and ******* have connected me in some way to hermit crabs   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Both of them are a few bricks shy of a load.   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2009, 10:39:04 PM
Maybe her facebook can give us some answers:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search

She has 622 friends  ::MonkeyEek::

At first glance, I don't see who I'm looking for.

But check this page of her friends for some interesting names that might help discern what direction I'm going

http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=836109440&flid=&view=everyone&q=&nt=0&nk=0&s=550&st=0


I follow.....starting from the beginning, I was just noticing local names we all know...Jairo, Dilma, Alberto, Tito, etc. 

I think I must have been behind - because I never knew before today that Dilma Arends was Dilma Arends Geerman.  Which is interesting in itself..............but on that last page is an even better one, I think.

But keep in mind - we are looking for a stateside former monkey connection to both Rosalie and the name Geerman or Werleman.  ::MonkeyWink::

I didn't realize it either Jen until after the movie, I figured I must have been the one that was behind!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.1940

« Reply #1949 on: May 17, 2009, 10:35:38 AM » 

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http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/uploads/images/nXyIwfyZCXXtdMpu8FGccA/WEEKLY_News.pdf

News Items and Public Crime Summary for Week Ending
April 25, 2009

Aruba – Media in Aruba Moderately Positive About Holloway Movie

Media reaction in Aruba was somewhat positive after watching the television movie, "Natalee Holloway," which aired yesterday on Lifetime Movie Network. The movie is based on "Loving Natalee," the book by Natalee's mother Beth. Aruban journalist Dilma Arends-Geerman  said that the movie was disappointing, but that Aruba was treated fairly by the movie makers. (Various media)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2009, 11:19:01 PM
OT Searching has left a message concerning her son in the prayer thread and in her son's thread in the lounge.  Please, she needs our love, prayers and support.

Prayer thread post: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=147.msg842984#msg842984

Searching's Son's thread post: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4967.msg843073#msg843073


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2009, 11:59:27 PM
Not sure about the old monkey but from my memory:

Rosalie Klein was scubajap.

Rosalie Klein was said to be Dilma Arends' mouthpiece.

At some point Rosalie was a Gesterkamp (remember Jethro and the Octopus?)

There was a belief that MF was Rosalie's daughter, Annalisa Klein Gesterkamp.

I believe the whole group was utilized for internet disinformation "marketing".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2009, 12:37:39 AM
Not sure about the old monkey but from my memory:

Rosalie Klein was scubajap.

Rosalie Klein was said to be Dilma Arends' mouthpiece.

At some point Rosalie was a Gesterkamp (remember Jethro and the Octopus?)

There was a belief that MF was Rosalie's daughter, Annalisa Klein Gesterkamp.

I believe the whole group was utilized for internet disinformation "marketing".
Well done!!
(I used to call scubajap out at RWV!) I think scubajap was in cahoots with Julia Renfro --- (many believed they were one in the same).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 01:03:49 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 17, 2009, 01:08:37 AM
igsigs summed up the "marketing" program, back in 2007, when an Aruban went missing:


Quote from: msmarple on September 19, 2007, 01:18:25 PM:

Cristoffer Laurance, 24, born in The Netherlands of Arubian parents, all residing on Aruba, has been missing for a week. His cell phone and passport is at home.

* * *


igsigs:


Renfro has seen video of Cristoffer at the HI.

Munzenhofer ran into him yesterday eating lunch.

Rosalie Klein has pictures of him hiding in Brazil.

Forget the cell and passport business, Cristoffer is clearly a runaway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 09:08:23 AM
Not sure about the old monkey but from my memory:

Rosalie Klein was scubajap.

Rosalie Klein was said to be Dilma Arends' mouthpiece.

At some point Rosalie was a Gesterkamp (remember Jethro and the Octopus?)

There was a belief that MF was Rosalie's daughter, Annalisa Klein Gesterkamp.

I believe the whole group was utilized for internet disinformation "marketing".
Well done!!
(I used to call scubajap out at RWV!) I think scubajap was in cahoots with Julia Renfro --- (many believed they were one in the same).


And Rosalie Klein Gesterkamp bought the Gottenbos boat in 2005................


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 09:09:12 AM
crap.  I guess I have to register with an account to do anything on Facebook, huh?  ::MonkeyLaugh::

jen.....you should see some of the sites I have signed up to in order to spy/check up on/learn about/watch/etc. certain people/issues/things, etc.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: disgusting, lol. I hope when I die my computer dies with me, lmao. My Son would be shocked at some of the crap I have on here, but it is necessary for me to do what I do.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Believe me, I feel your pain!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 09:15:37 AM
And now it's just up to my fellow monkeys to discern who that former stateside monkey is.

Think back to recent departees, and what they've told you about their personal life.  Compare that to the info on Rosalee to find a match.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Can't give out personal info on SM of any member, so this is going to be a lot like the  :rendeer: games we had to play for identification.

I would like to buy a vowel. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let's see...............

There's a "u", an "a", an "e" and an "i"

But that's in the person's real name - not what their nic was at SM.

This person was quite vocal about his/her personal life - not necessarily in the Natalee threads.

This person was a 'recent' new Monkey with regards to the Persistence search.

This person was a member at the bitch and groan site, is a member at the GM site, and is now also a member at BFN.

A connection to Rosalie Klein would explain MOUNTAINS of things regarding the position this person took during and after the expose of the Persistence.  Not to mention the timing of his/her registration at SM.

This person lives in the same state as another Monkey who is still an active member at SM -predominantly in the Natalee threads but also around about the whole forum.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2009, 09:29:21 AM
And now it's just up to my fellow monkeys to discern who that former stateside monkey is.

Think back to recent departees, and what they've told you about their personal life.  Compare that to the info on Rosalee to find a match.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Can't give out personal info on SM of any member, so this is going to be a lot like the  :rendeer: games we had to play for identification.

I would like to buy a vowel. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let's see...............

There's a "u", an "a", an "e" and an "i"

But that's in the person's real name - not what their nic was at SM.

This person was quite vocal about his/her personal life - not necessarily in the Natalee threads.

This person was a 'recent' new Monkey with regards to the Persistence search.

This person was a member at the bitch and groan site, is a member at the GM site, and is now also a member at BFN.

A connection to Rosalie Klein would explain MOUNTAINS of things regarding the position this person took during and after the expose of the Persistence.  Not to mention the timing of his/her registration at SM.

This person lives in the same state as another Monkey who is still an active member at SM -predominantly in the Natalee threads but also around about the whole forum.
I'm guessing the state is Louisianna and this person is connected to Silvetti.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 09:31:46 AM
Not Louisiana.  Still unkown about a connection to Silvetti.

The state is the same as one of our Mods.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 09:35:14 AM
BTW - I absolutely HATE having to go about things in this manner - but we have to abide by the rules here, and this is the only other way I know to do this. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 10:01:26 AM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh TxMom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I do so adore you!!!!!!!!!!!


The S.S.                      Minnow  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2009, 10:19:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/acpugLiaBUQ&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca

Natalee, the musical!

by Maaike STAFF HORST

New blood curdling revelations Joran van der Sloot in car with hidden cameras


DEN HAAG, Wednesday
        A musical about Natalee Holloway? Why not, thought director Thijs de Wit. Her disappearance has already been found: global media attention, three books, films, music and endless clips on YouTube and an Emmy Award for Peter R. de Vries. A musical theater was not the failure. Tonight is the try-out in Zeebelt Theater in Den Haag.
         With songs like 'My name is Sloot "," Natalee, why you did that on me? "And" They killed my girl' creep students music training in Rotterdam Codarts close to the skin of prime suspect Joran van der Sloot. There is a scene on the beach, where he Natalee Holloway would have left, and new blood curdling revelations made in a car with hidden cameras.
        "The broadcast of Peter R. de Vries, Joran remarkable he leaves decisions in the car undercover informant Patrick van der Eem, was for me the reason for this performance, "says Thijs de Wit from. "That program was so great dramatic up! Everything is said to be the truth presented. As you can imagine that a 24-hour film of De Vries also the opposite can be proven. What were the program and hear Joran has - as he claims - indeed, only told what the infiltrator wanted to hear? "
         
Song
         The song 'The Truth' is composed in the opening text of the award-winning crime program, which last year in the Netherlands by seven million people in America were viewed and won an Emmy Award. "The evocative voice-over which we broadcast in our musical theater, including The White describes his newest production. For filling, he worked closely with Daan van West (Musical Opinion) and playwright Andreas Scharf Berg.
        "Many ideas come from the huge amount of movies and music that you find on YouTube. This material, the actors themselves further. There is a Judas figure, the traitor, and we go into the show looking for a new protagonist, 'In search of Joran, say, because the last is "voted out".
        De Wit, itself part of artists PIPS: lab, is accustomed to working from different disciplines. With the computer as a mixer and music, theater, film, text and humor as ingredients comply performances never short of expectations.
        "We have live on stage created a film. The actors operate cameras. This is a reference to the media spectacle in which the presentation is about. In addition, someone who both play on the floor and in close-up on a video screen, something glamoureusachtigs. That will be very useful. We do not talk about who owes whom, but try a picture of all involved: Joran, Peter, mother Beth, Patrick and Natalee. And we appreciate how our society deals with this. The story has all the ingredients of a Greek tragedy in itself, where people are struggling with their feelings of hatred and love, and reason and emotion collide. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 17, 2009, 10:19:02 AM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh TxMom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I do so adore you!!!!!!!!!!!


The S.S.                      Minnow  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::   I logged in late and said....I know, I know!!!   Had hand up, but was too late.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 10:22:57 AM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh TxMom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I do so adore you!!!!!!!!!!!


The S.S.                      Minnow  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::   I logged in late and said....I know, I know!!!   Had hand up, but was too late.   

I figured you would know after my posts this morning.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 10:24:01 AM
Admittedly, I do not know about - much less understand - the Dutch culture in Holland, but I think a musical is in poor taste.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 17, 2009, 10:28:07 AM
Admittedly, I do not know about - much less understand - the Dutch culture in Holland, but I think a musical is in poor taste.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I sat here and had the same feeling.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 10:32:18 AM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Now think about that connection for a minute, and all that it entails..................

Klein (Gesterkamp) bought the Gottenbos boat in 2005.

The Gottenbos boat that Natalee's family could never get an answer as to whether or not it was ever searched.

The Gottenbos boat that Sander put into play via his statement.

The Gottenbos boat that Joran put into play by his inclusion of Koen in his "alibi" for the night of the 30th.

The Gottenbos boat that scubajap (AKA Rosalie) went to such pains to insist had spun a prop and was out of commission on the night(s) in question - that Sander's statement contradicts.

The cell phone pings of Joran that put him at the dock in between the Mariott and the Holiday Inn the night of the 30th - when he said he was with Koen at the racquet club at that exact time (which he later admitted never happened).

The Gottenbos boat that many have ascertained as being the vehicle which disposed of Natalee's remains at sea.

The Freebird timeline that encompasses those beliefs and the supportive facts for them.

The Freebird timeline that Kyle told us was definitely looked at by Persistence before their search began.

The Freebird timeline that Kyle queried us on for more detail once the search began, and before they found the cage.

Now add in the SS Minnow (hee-hee) and his/her connection to Rosalie, his/her registration time at SM, and all of his/her actions AFTER Persistence was exposed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 17, 2009, 11:16:22 AM
Ya'll Monkey's are just to much..Me thinks a couple ladies got their panties in a bunch as we speak......... ::MonkeyWink:: Thanx Jen3560! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 11:25:50 AM
Y/W KTF!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 17, 2009, 01:59:19 PM
Just sit right back & you’ll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip
That started from this tropic port aboard this tiny ship.
The mate was a mighty sailing man, The skipper brave & sure.
Five passengers set sail that day for a three hour tour,
A three hour tour

The weather started getting rough, the tiny ship was tossed,
If not for the courage of the fearless crew
The Minnow would be lost,
The Minnow would be lost.

The ship's a-ground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle
With Gilligan,
The Skipper too,
The millionaire and his wife,
The movie star
The Professor and Mary Ann,

Here on Gilligan's Isle.

Me thinks the Minnow is lost... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2009, 02:08:52 PM
Hi Monkeys.....a couple of months ago, a current monkey asked if a banned monkey could be related to an AHATA person.  I do think this is the one Jen is referring to....and I wonder if
anyone had information at that time.  It is just a note on my desk so I don't have a date to
go back to.....Thanks.....Mere


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 17, 2009, 02:09:28 PM
FOR THOSE AMERICAN TRAITORS..

BAD BOY'S,BAD BOY'S
WATCHA YA GONNA DO
WATCHA YA GONNA DO,
 WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU


TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK_TICK

THEN IT' KNOCK,KNOCK
WHO'S THERE?

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 17, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
Hi Monkeys.....a couple of months ago, a current monkey asked if a banned monkey could be related to an AHATA person.  I do think this is the one Jen is referring to....and I wonder if
anyone had information at that time.  It is just a note on my desk so I don't have a date to
go back to.....Thanks.....Mere

Hi, Mere. 

I remember the question you are referring to but do not recall anyone having information and posting it.  It was suggested that there could be a relationship with someone but not confirmed, if my memory serves me well.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2009, 04:57:15 PM

<snipped>

BUT - just because Tim hasn't said anything publicly about what he saw, his feelings about what occurred, or any outrage at it all - doesn't necessarily mean that he, Beth, and Dave haven't discussed this in depth - with him providing other (unknown to us) information about what transpired.


It would appear that neither Tim Miller or Kyle Kingman shared with either Beth or Dave regarding their genuine concerns  encompassing the contents of the trap.

I would had assume that Tim Miller would have shared with Dave Holloway when they both pursued that false lead that took them to Nicaragua immediately following the December 30, 2007 visual dive on the trap … the visual dive that Aruban divers claim there was nothing Natalee Holloway case related.

However ... considering Beth Holloway was uninformed until September, 2008 and ... Dave Holloway was participating in the raising of funds in April, 2008 to further the Persistence investigation of targets ... maybe Natalee Holloway's father was in the dark regarding the troubling happenings on board the Persistence.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If there is something I am not getting?  I would sincerely appreciate being informed.

Thank you.

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN – IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. 

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica.


JOHN SILVETTI - IN HIS OWN WORDS

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

jen3560:
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


Jen 3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #802 2/21/08 -
« Reply #968 on: February 25, 2009, 01:03:53 PM »


When Beth was made aware of the full scope of things last September, she "needs time to digest it" and wanted to "share it with someone I trust".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.msg690239#msg690239



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 05:29:25 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58248.php

Google translation:

Aruba

7.5 years in prison for taxi robber

17 Jun, 2009, 13:54 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Jahruby Morris was yesterday sentenced to seven years and six months imprisonment for his participation in several robberies last year. Morris is considered the main culprit in a series of brutal taxi robberies in October and November last year. He is also guilty of the robbery at takeaway restaurant in the United Dinner three streets on September 30, 2008. The Public Prosecutor (OM) had demanded ten years imprisonment.

Co-defendant Peter Fradl was acquitted. The prosecutor had demanded five years in prison for violent robbery on an elderly woman in the Viola Street. The court found that there was enough evidence and ordered the immediate release of Fradl. During the trial had testified that Morris Fradl was not present in the armed robberies. Moreover, the victim Fradl not recognized.

Acquittal
Morris also was acquitted of robbery in the Viola Street on October 23 last year. This is despite the fact that the robbery itself has referred in his statement. The Court found that there are too many missing details to conclude that Morris was actually an accomplice to the robbery. The fact that the victim claimed to recognize him, made no impression on the court. The faces of the perpetrators were partially covered and the victim is blind in one eye.

Violence
Morris was eventually convicted of violent armed robberies of four taxi drivers. He was the one behind the drivers and place them a weapon against the head set. One of the cabbies has Morris can identify. He was convicted of armed robbery with threat and violence. The fact that the robberies, four within two months, as short to each other were performed, the court account in sentencing. The fact that the firearm used was an air gun, the Court made no difference in the severity of the threat. The fact that Morris has already been condemned because of theft and prohibited possession of firearms, the right weight. Eventually he was sentenced to seven years and six months prison for less arrest.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 17, 2009, 05:33:43 PM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh TxMom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I do so adore you!!!!!!!!!!!


The S.S.                      Minnow  ::MonkeyCool::



You don`t really believe that crap do you?

OMG Have you gone crazy (http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Emoticons/nadenken.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 05:37:51 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58245.php

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06172009_Amigoe_Natalee_Musical.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 05:39:39 PM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh TxMom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I do so adore you!!!!!!!!!!!


The S.S.                      Minnow  ::MonkeyCool::



You don`t really believe that crap do you?

OMG Have you gone crazy (http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Emoticons/nadenken.gif)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Just what do you mean by that Bastibro?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 05:45:41 PM


Answer all by yourself Bastibro, you can do it!    ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 17, 2009, 05:50:35 PM


Answer all by yourself Bastibro, you can do it!    ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 05:51:41 PM

I'm waiting Bastibro.... :smt066


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 17, 2009, 05:55:46 PM


Answer all by yourself Bastibro, you can do it!    ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

I think you know darn well what i`m talking about.
I`m talking about this sick attitude towards someone who is dedicated to Natalee`s case like no other.

But nevermind, talking to you is like talking to a concrete wall, I realize.
Research? NO . . impeach someone in a dirty way? YES  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 06:06:12 PM


Answer all by yourself Bastibro, you can do it!    ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

I think you know darn well what i`m talking about.
I`m talking about this sick attitude towards someone who is dedicated to Natalee`s case like no other.

But nevermind, talking to you is like talking to a concrete wall, I realize.
Research? NO . . impeach someone in a dirty way? YES  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Give me a break Bastibro, and stop letting ******** pull your strings, it's very unbecoming for you!

You haven't talked to me at all about anything, and IF you wanted to discuss anything you made a very bad choice for a beginning to the discussion.

The only sick attitude I've seen is reflected in your post, one of very few for a very long time so the intent is very obvious.

Dedicated to Natalee's case like no other?  You obviously don't know what you're talking about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 17, 2009, 06:07:48 PM


Answer all by yourself Bastibro, you can do it!    ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

I think you know darn well what i`m talking about.
I`m talking about this sick attitude towards someone who is dedicated to Natalee`s case like no other.

But nevermind, talking to you is like talking to a concrete wall, I realize.
Research? NO . . Trying to impeach someone in a dirty way? YES  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Correction


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 17, 2009, 06:28:33 PM
Bananas are good for high blood pressure even if You just throw them....  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 17, 2009, 06:32:01 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 17, 2009, 06:33:39 PM
Hello...TM SuzieQ ArtColley and 8 guests!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 06:39:07 PM
Bananas are good for high blood pressure even if You just throw them....  ::MonkeyDevil::

Incoming!!!!!!


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 17, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 06:47:14 PM
I guess Bastibro is finished with his little "show".  He must have had other assignments while he was here.   ::MonkeyDevil::

We can't "impeach" anyone who has already impeached themself by their own actions/words.

Some people will go to great extremes to have their words seen, even if they need to do it through someone else.  That someone else needs to put his big boy panties on, and remember why he's still a member here and they're NOT!

Some people need to think long and hard about WHY their words are not seen on a public forum regarding this case.  Hint:  It's NOT due to their extreme dedication.

JMO

Rant over, back to the newspapers.   ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2009, 06:51:13 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys
OHHHHH Reallly now????

WE all know What a lying POS crapm you are and HE is!

I see your snarky & snide comments - and no one has done more for Natalee?  What a pile of sh*t. You who appeared YEARS later with an agenda basiibro.

Maybe you and your hooligan friends need that recognition WE DON'T.

Don't you and Johan have somewhere else to be and not bothering these good people?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2009, 08:19:37 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys

Wow, I'm confused because I didn't see any talk about the person above.  We'll have to disagree on that OK?  Years ago I had a boss who claimed to have a friend in the mafia, he told me his friend was a great guy.  I disagreed with him too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2009, 08:23:34 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys
OHHHHH Reallly now????

WE all know What a lying POS crapm you are and HE is!

I see your snarky & snide comments - and no one has done more for Natalee?  What a pile of sh*t. You who appeared YEARS later with an agenda basiibro.

Maybe you and your hooligan friends need that recognition WE DON'T.

Don't you and Johan have somewhere else to be and not bothering these good people?




Just wanted to say hi to Rob!! The thread was locked for some reason!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2009, 08:27:04 PM
Wreck - I think it was locked because it looked like trouble was brewing and I wasn't around at the time  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2009, 08:29:08 PM
Don't miss Dana Pretzer tonight.
www.scaredmonkeysradio.com

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer061709.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2009, 08:30:00 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys

You apparently missed his blue-balls talk to an underage girl.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2009, 08:32:08 PM

I'm waiting Bastibro.... :smt066


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2009, 08:33:51 PM
Bananas are good for high blood pressure even if You just throw them....  ::MonkeyDevil::

A good source of potassium.
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 08:40:08 PM

I'm waiting Bastibro.... :smt066


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Well, he was acting like I had all day for his BS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 17, 2009, 08:40:28 PM
Bananas are good for high blood pressure even if You just throw them....  ::MonkeyDevil::

A good source of potassium.
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 08:50:18 PM
6/17/2009 Diario Front Page

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/frontpage/index.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06172009Diario_FrontPage.jpg)

Original text:

Buskeda
Mayornan no sa unda nan yiu muher di 15 ana ta “Wendy” a bay for di cas dia 10 di Juni

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda
parents not know where they child muher of 15 ana is “wendy” owing to bay for of cas day 10 of june come across



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2009, 08:56:17 PM
TUNE IN NOW, STARTS IN A COUPLE MINUTES!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
Wreck - I think it was locked because it looked like trouble was brewing and I wasn't around at the time  ::MonkeyWink::
I don't even know how "he who shall not be named" was even brought in to this until Bastibro started squirming unevoked!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
TUNE IN NOW, STARTS IN A COUPLE MINUTES!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

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Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 17, 2009, 09:04:33 PM
I thought Bastibro was sent to defend SS until he jumped on the Dark Lard's bandwagon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 17, 2009, 09:08:33 PM
I think he got confused    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 17, 2009, 09:12:27 PM
I think he got confused    ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 09:17:00 PM
I thought Bastibro was sent to defend SS until he jumped on the Dark Lard's bandwagon.

I think he was sent to post someone else's words, read the first post; not his manner of speaking at all IMO.

He probably did get confused with so many people TELLING him what to say. 

And me pressuring him.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2009, 09:18:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58251.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Amigoe061709CruiseShip.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 17, 2009, 09:20:20 PM
I thought Bastibro was sent to defend SS until he jumped on the Dark Lard's bandwagon.

I think he was sent to post someone else's words, read the first post; not his manner of speaking at all IMO.

He probably did get confused with so many people TELLING him what to say. 

And me pressuring him.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Probably so since he is one of the few that can still post here from their little gruesome coven. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 09:30:39 PM
I thought Bastibro was sent to defend SS until he jumped on the Dark Lard's bandwagon.

I think he was sent to post someone else's words, read the first post; not his manner of speaking at all IMO.

He probably did get confused with so many people TELLING him what to say. 

And me pressuring him.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Probably so since he is one of the few that can still post here from their little gruesome coven. ::MonkeyDevil::

True!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2009, 09:32:51 PM
Gold Monkey Chat Bar 9 Users Active:
 Carnut, bleachedblack, LindaK, yap, cat, poochybutt, BT, Debbie, CP,


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 17, 2009, 09:35:01 PM
Gold Monkey Chat Bar 9 Users Active:
 Carnut, bleachedblack, LindaK, yap, cat, poochybutt, BT, Debbie, CP,

Bet THAT is an interesting and lively chat. NOT.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 17, 2009, 09:38:50 PM
Gold Monkey Chat Bar 9 Users Active:
 Carnut, bleachedblack, LindaK, yap, cat, poochybutt, BT, Debbie, CP,

My, my, that is a lively bunch. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 17, 2009, 09:39:35 PM
Tonight at GM chat:
Who has warts on their nose?
How to deal with "Roid Rage"
Who has the perkiest Bras?

And..oh yeah, what did you fix for supper? And can it be made with beer?    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 17, 2009, 09:41:13 PM
Tonight at GM chat:
Who has warts on their nose?
How to deal with "Roid Rage"
Who has the perkiest Bras?

And..oh yeah, what did you fix for supper? And can it be made with beer?    ::MonkeyDevil::

Uh oh. Thought I was in Musings! Sorry    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 09:48:41 PM
Tonight at GM chat:
Who has warts on their nose?
How to deal with "Roid Rage"
Who has the perkiest Bras?

And..oh yeah, what did you fix for supper? And can it be made with beer?    ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2009, 10:35:40 PM
Artcolley  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 17, 2009, 11:00:51 PM
 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2009, 11:05:15 PM
 :drunken: :drunken: :drunken:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 17, 2009, 11:11:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58251.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Amigoe061709CruiseShip.jpg)

I have not been able to be on line for a bit and I just found a monkey has asked me to post this same info.  Hat Tip - Kitty with the bandanna
 ::MonkeyWaa::

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31410397/ns/travel-news/

Caribbean cruise barred over swine flu fears
Spanish ship with sick crew members turned away from two ports
updated 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
MADRID - A Spanish cruise ship was turned away from two Caribbean ports Wednesday because of fears of swine flu among crew members, the vessel's owner said.

Tour operator Pullmantur said its ship Ocean Dream with 759 passengers and 400 crew members was denied permission to dock in Grenada and Barbados after informing authorities there that crew members had flu symptoms.

The company said it later received confirmation that three crew members tested positive for swine flu. Another 11 have symptoms. None of the 14 is seriously ill, it said.The sick crew have been isolated and no passengers have fallen ill, the company said in a statement.

But the nine-day cruise that began in Aruba   off Venezuela's coast is over, and the company is now making arrangements to get the passengers back to their ports of origin, company spokeswoman Ana del Hoyo said.

Passenger Miriam Tonk-Croes of Aruba complained that crew members weren't communicating with them.

"This is frustrating," she told Aruba radio station Canal 90. "We want to go somewhere."

Tonk-Croes said the ship is anchored near Venezuela's Isla Margarita.

 Edit to add text from contact.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2009, 11:40:26 PM
:drunken: :drunken: :drunken:

Did you cook a recipe from the GM crew wreck?   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 17, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 12:26:24 AM
O/T

No news from Blue Moon?  I just checked in the prayer thread.

If you stop in, I'm thinking about you Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 12:38:48 AM
I honestly do not believe that the death of Natalee Holloway was intended.  I suspect that the unintended death occurred during the course of planned wrongdoing against Natalee's person by Joran van der Sloot and others ... planned wrongdoing for which there had never been any legal accountability in the past.

Hey ... there was even photos of past wrongdoing which involved Joran but ... Aruban justice for the victim was not forthcoming.

No accountability implies other "Natalees" are at risk by those who believe the legal boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to them.
________

SUSPICIONS - PREVIOUS SEXUAL ASSAULT?

Aruban Attorney - FOX News - September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html


Aruban Attorney - At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA , FAMILY'S ARUBAN ATTORNEY: The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested.  The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.


'Scarborough Country' - August 26, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.  What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

The Prosecutor immediate appealed the judge's decision to release the boys and the Court of Appeals had to arrange a date for hearing.  Joran's attorney announced, as a Dutch citizen, Joran would be allowed to go off to Holland to start college.  At some unknown time prior to this Freddy had been quietly released without charges being brought.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 01:04:49 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 18, 2009, 07:28:12 AM

 Debbie, Nut44x4 and 5 Guests
Have a Great Day Eveyone!

Justice for Natalee!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 18, 2009, 08:35:14 AM
bastibro - i've never known  precisely what your agenda is, and I don't really give a damn.  But that you have one is apparent.

Do yourself a favor - do a bit of research for yourself, ok?  You just might come up with the connections that independantly support the communication I received - just as I did, showing the connection.

Out of the kindness of my heart - here's one for free:

Friend of Rosalie Klein - Rosalie Gesterkamp, NEW JERSEY SHORE (abandonded account)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search#/profile.php?id=1496216537

Have a nice day!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 18, 2009, 09:19:01 AM
bastibro - i've never known  precisely what your agenda is, and I don't really give a damn.  But that you have one is apparent.

Do yourself a favor - do a bit of research for yourself, ok?  You just might come up with the connections that independantly support the communication I received - just as I did, showing the connection.

Out of the kindness of my heart - here's one for free:

Friend of Rosalie Klein - Rosalie Gesterkamp, NEW JERSEY SHORE (abandonded account)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search#/profile.php?id=1496216537

Have a nice day!
Within the last 5 minutes (while I was reading it) scubajap made her Facebook page private!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 18, 2009, 09:29:32 AM
In fact, now the link is cahnged to "Rosalie Gesterkamp"  (with "Rosalie Klein" as her ONLY friend.)  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 18, 2009, 09:32:48 AM
In fact, now the link is cahnged to "Rosalie Gesterkamp"  (with "Rosalie Klein" as her ONLY friend.)  ::MonkeyDevil::

Are you looking at the link I posted above?  If so, that is her OLD facebook acct - showing her location as the New Jersey Shore

This is her current one

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?sid=1a718c6587e17b439e086e16175aee5d&id=836109440&hiq=rosalie%2Cklein&ref=search


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 18, 2009, 09:33:52 AM
BUT - she now has 1 less friend than she did when I posted the link to her other page this morning.

Guess I'll scan thru it to see if she got rid of her old account from her friends list.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2009, 11:00:59 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2009, 11:06:14 AM
Update...

Cruise ship with swine flu outbreak heads to Aruba   
     
 By DANIEL WOOLLS, Associated Press Writer Daniel Woolls, Associated Press Writer – 2 mins ago

MADRID – A Spanish cruise ship hit by a small outbreak of swine flu was headed Thursday for the Caribbean island of Aruba, where more than 400 passengers will disembark, the vessel's Spanish owner said.

A Venezuelan state health official, Jorge Alchaer, initially said the passengers and crew would be held in quarantine aboard the Ocean Dream off Venezuela's Isla Margarita, but he confirmed on Thursday that the vessel was headed to Aruba.

The ship was originally carrying 759 passengers and 400 crew members for a planned nine-day tour that began last Friday. But 342 Venezuelan passengers got off in Isla Margarita Wednesday because that was their final destination anyway, said an official with Spanish tour operator Pullmantur, which owns the ship. She spoke on condition of anonymity in line with company rules.

Three crew members have tested positive for swine flu and 11 others have flu symptoms but no passengers have fallen ill, Pullmantur says.

The ship was denied permission to dock in Grenada and Barbados on Wednesday. At that point, the company had not yet received confirmation of the positive cases but warned the authorities in those two countries that some crew members were sick, the company says.

The ship is now scheduled to arrive Thursday in Aruba, where the cruise originally began.

Passengers have apparently complained they are not getting enough information on the swine flu outbreak.

"We are out on the water, with people who do not want to tell us anything. This is not a quarantine, it is a kidnapping," passenger Mario Infantini told the newspaper El Pais.

But the company official said the ship's crew had provided travelers with all information it had as it became available.

Venezuela's state news agency, Agencia Bolivariana de Noticias, said the passengers included 198 Spaniards, 151 Colombians, 11 Argentines, 11 Peruvians, seven U.S. citizens, five from Holland, four from Brazil, Chile and Panama, three from Uruguay, two each from Russia, Romania, France and one from Belgium, Ireland and Italy.

Passengers will receive a partial refund for not having made the planned port calls in Grenada and Barbados, the company official said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20090618/ap_tr_ge/eu_travel_brief_spain_swine_flu_cruise_ship_2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 18, 2009, 11:22:52 AM
O/T

No news from Blue Moon?  I just checked in the prayer thread.

If you stop in, I'm thinking about you Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Just a quick note--I have been going to Hospital every day after work and now they have moved her to a rehab facility (she is very mad about this) and today I will be going there after work.  Storms are severe and hitting us each late afternoon so it is not wise to plug in and get online with the lightning we are having with these storms.  Hopefully sister will be out in at least 10 days (unless she checks herself out first) and I can settle down some.

Thanks TM for asking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 02:18:07 PM
O/T

No news from Blue Moon?  I just checked in the prayer thread.

If you stop in, I'm thinking about you Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Just a quick note--I have been going to Hospital every day after work and now they have moved her to a rehab facility (she is very mad about this) and today I will be going there after work.  Storms are severe and hitting us each late afternoon so it is not wise to plug in and get online with the lightning we are having with these storms.  Hopefully sister will be out in at least 10 days (unless she checks herself out first) and I can settle down some.

Thanks TM for asking.

Blue Moon ... it is very frustrating when you have no control over a situation.  Sometime the tunnel is so dark that it is impossible to see the light at the end.  All the reassuring in the world is for naught.

Your sister is very fortunate to have your unconditional support ... unconditional love ... in her journey back from the depths.

One day at a time.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 02:41:06 PM
A REMINDER

The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning.  I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman:  I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman:  John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand.

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Mere on June 18, 2009, 03:10:12 PM
O/T

No news from Blue Moon?  I just checked in the prayer thread.

If you stop in, I'm thinking about you Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Just a quick note--I have been going to Hospital every day after work and now they have moved her to a rehab facility (she is very mad about this) and today I will be going there after work.  Storms are severe and hitting us each late afternoon so it is not wise to plug in and get online with the lightning we are having with these storms.  Hopefully sister will be out in at least 10 days (unless she checks herself out first) and I can settle down some.

Thanks TM for asking.

Do be careful...we were hit about 5 pm and lightening danced inside the room...whole house shook...it fried the laptop connection...and telephone and electricity were out for a while.  I was so lucky.  I am putting this here for Blue Moon and any other monkey who has a computer on during a storm.  Prayers continue for your sister.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys

You apparently missed his blue-balls talk to an underage girl.


Any response Bastibro? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 03:46:14 PM
A REMINDER


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best  


Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
« Reply #360 on: March 14, 2009, 06:52:02 PM »


No, Kyle.  No.  You were not FORCED to sit back and hope for the best.  YOU CHOSE to sit back and hope for the best.  There are a number of things YOU could have done.  YOU could have contacted the FBI.  YOU could have contacted Tim Miller.  YOU could have contacted the family.   

INSTEAD you chose, that's right Kyle, YOU CHOSE to participate in the attempted PIMPING of the only evidence not absconded with by the Arubans, the ROV videos.

You, KYLE KINGMAN, need to stop acting like you were one of the good guys.  YOU CHOSE at the time to do exactly what ALE did, and that is WITHHOLD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.

And if you think talking to the Freebirds redeemed you, you're wrong.  Because when it came time to sh*t or get off the pot - you LIED, MADE THREATS OVER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and finally, RAN AWAY.  You CHOSE, Kyle Kingman, to do everything in your power to PROTECT THE PIMPING OF THE ROV VIDEOS.

Shame right on you.

JMO and only MO

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2009, 03:48:20 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 18, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys

You apparently missed his blue-balls talk to an underage girl.


Any response Bastibro? ::MonkeyCool::


I would have to choose from a thousand responses that are ringing loud in my head right now.

I bet you wouldn`t want me to add any of them I`m sure.

At rumors no shortage KTF  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 05:08:50 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys

You apparently missed his blue-balls talk to an underage girl.


Any response Bastibro? ::MonkeyCool::


I would have to choose from a thousand responses that are ringing loud in my head right now.

I bet you wouldn`t want me to add any of them I`m sure.

At rumors no shortage KTF  ::MonkeyWink::



Why does your response not suprise me! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 18, 2009, 05:13:04 PM
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 05:39:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58300.php

Google translation:

Ocean Dream tonight Aruba
18 Jun, 2009, 13:47 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Ocean Dream cruise ship, which at least three crew members were infected with the Mexican flu is around ten o'clock tonight to Aruba. If the situation worsens, so no more passengers are infected, should everyone ashore, said Health Minister Booshi Wever.

The cruise of the Spanish owner Pullmantur Aruban four passengers on board was last week Friday from Aruba gone. Saturday was the first stop on the island found that five crew members had symptoms of the flu. These were tested, but when the results of three positive cases was again left the boat. The islands of Grenada and Barbados refused then to the ship to moor. Yesterday, the cruise ship called up to the Venezuelan island of Isla de Margarita. The media speculated that the passengers of the Venezuelan authorities ten days in quarantine should continue. They were in that period of board. This was denied this morning by Pullmantur. About 340 Venezuelan passengers this morning the cruise ship leave. The boat was then moved to Aruba.

According to the spokesman of Pullmantur Cruises in Madrid, Juan Jose Sanchez, there is no reason to panic. "The Mexican flu is less serious than ordinary flu and there are more dead people to normal flu." The situation is worse than it actually is, he says. The three crew members who have the virus is it has worked well so far.

Passengers on the
A mother of one of the Aruban passenger says they make. They have no symptoms, according to her. Her son, the 17-year-old Ashton Croes, yesterday's call from the boat. "He said that he had won 90 in the casino."

A rumor circulated yesterday that the passengers on the cruise ship was not properly informed about what exactly would happen and where they are and that they could not moor. Minister Wever with the PAHO Director Mirta Roses has spoken, says a different picture to this: "Passengers are not treated as hostages and are informed when necessary." Pullmantur also denies that the passenger information is remembered. "It's not that we as a crèche address, and to the minute information. But if there is something new to report, then certainly on the passengers informed. "

Revealed in Aruba still the confusion this morning about the arrival of the cruise ship. According to Maduro Travel would arrive this morning. Minister Wever did not initially have the Ocean Dream from all Isla de Margarita was gone.

Weaver says that Aruba is well prepared for a possible outbreak. "We are even prepared for a worse situation than it is with the ship. Suppose that it appears that more infected people or people on board were seriously ill, then we have our Air Ambulance all ready for people abroad to be treated. "According to the minister is not enough space in the intensive care to a serious outbreak.

The final decision on the mooring of the Ocean Dream, after consultation between him and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Minister of Tourism and Transport Edison snort taken Wever says finally.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58299.php

Google translation:

Aruba

RED: 'Invest in Valero'

18 Jun, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Political Party RED wants the government to invest in Valero. The 180 million florin tax on turnover (BBO), which - pending arbitration case - to an account established, would Rudy Lampe party should be used to modernize the refinery.

This is one of the proposals that he has a team of experts would give. The team would be on behalf of the Government should negotiate with the oil. This to ensure that the refinery in San Nicolas not definitively close its doors. Lampe party wants to negotiate with Valero on Valero 180 million florin that possible BBO to pay. This amount would be RED can be used for a so-called Hydro Cracker buying. This may include kerosene, diesel and LPG are produced. The investment group may be used to become a shareholder of the refinery on the island. "This is the time when the price is low. Soon as the price rose, the shares are sold at a profit. As with the Plant Hotel. "RED also wish that the government abolish export BBO. The annual amount of 40 million florin that Valero wants to contribute should be accepted and invested in the development of San Nicolas, said party Lampe.

Waiting
Meanwhile makes Willem Vrolijk political party MPA is very concerned about the lack of plans "in case the refinery no longer opens. He wonders what the government does not like Valero opens? "In a letter to the media he firm to the government and criticism of 'lax policies.

As an example retrieves the politician airline KLM to. "The government has waited until they no longer flew before they were talking," said Merry. Also on the absence of government measures against global recession, the MPA is not a good word about it. "They have the same wait and see attitude. There is no plan for the recession that the door to fight. "

Valero refinery Although her departure has not yet announced, according to Vrolijk but signals that the company leaves. "The people want to know what the government will do with the 700 employees of Valero, whose job is uncertain. What will happen to the 1,500 workers through contractors working for Valero? What will happen to all those people who directly or indirectly dependent Valero? What is the plan of the government? "The people of San Nicolas are concerned, says Merry. "It is still fresh in the memory of San Nicolas was a ghost town in 1985 decided to close oil Lago. We do not want a repetition. "

MPA also wants the government as soon as possible at the table sits down with Valero to a solution. Moreover, the party hopes that the Government is prepared, if the oil company still decided to stay close.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 18, 2009, 05:44:11 PM
And Justice For All . .
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/peterrdevriesreportageSBS62006de-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 05:48:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58296.php

Cars and buurtsuper in fire

18 Jun, 2009, 13:23 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Unknown have last night in two places brand founded in the district Madiki. Both incidents took about four hours at night instead. The fire was first to extinguish the supermarket Kin Wah, the gas cylinders in fire were stabbed outside. The fast action was to prevent the fire to nearby buildings could skip, including that of the adjacent restaurant United Dinner. The injury was thus limited to the outside of the buurtsuper. Shortly later, the fire a few streets away to Lucanitastraat, where two cars were on fire. The fire department suspects that the fire is lit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 07:19:33 PM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 18, 2009, 07:26:02 PM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

Thank You, Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 07:41:08 PM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case
Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
Thanks Dana for asking!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 18, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
Thanks Dana for asking!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks for asking -- but I am not amused by the answer.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 07:52:12 PM
Thanks Dana for asking!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks for asking -- but I am not amused by the answer.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Neither am i Wreck!As i've said before.This is why i have many different conversations in my head,in regards to the ongoing relationship with these people,if what we know about the cage/trap is true! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 07:54:17 PM
Thanks Dana for asking!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks for asking -- but I am not amused by the answer.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh believe me I'm not either wreck.  I think I was in shock after listening last night, but after listening to it again several times this afternoon...certain things made me go hmmmm.

   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 07:57:07 PM
Personally, I think Tim Miller would sell his sole to anyone willing to help pay for the search for ANY missing person including Natalee.

Edited to add that I mean no disrespect to Tim Miller, quite the opposite.  His heart wants to help search for every missing persons but his pocket book won't allow it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 18, 2009, 07:57:54 PM
Thanks Dana for asking!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks for asking -- but I am not amused by the answer.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Neither am i Wreck!As i've said before.This is why i have many different conversations in my head,in regards to the ongoing relationship with these people,if what we know about the cage/trap is true! ::MonkeyNoNo::
I'm sorry, but I'm sure Tim is now aware of our QUESTIONS about the Persistence original search. ANSWER those questions first - then we can talk about any additional searches. Sorry to ruffle the feathers of Tim's supporters ( I HOPE I'm still one too), but I'm getting worried. -JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 18, 2009, 08:02:24 PM
Personally, I think Tim Miller would sell his sole to anyone willing to help pay for the search for ANY missing person including Natalee.

I totally agree Klaas.  I have great respect for Tim and do believe he would do ANYTHING to bring a missing person home to their family.

Now, I have more questions than I did before.  Money was collected for the search back in Jan or Feb 2008.  What happened to that money?  Sorry, but we need answers to these questions.  I don't blame Tim one bit but I do blame Silvetti and Schafer and after what they pulled on their investors by robbing them I believe it is not asking too much for a full and complete accounting of the money collected for this search BEFORE they pulled out of Aruba's waters and headed home (much to our dismay).  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: can on June 18, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case
Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.
Thanks for your transcript Texasmom.  I appreciate it because I was unable to hear the audio Klaas provided though I had volume up.
I must say I am totally confused and it doesn't sound very convincing (to me anyway) that Tim will ever get back there to look at the remaining 'targets"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 08:05:27 PM
Thanks Dana for asking!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks for asking -- but I am not amused by the answer.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Neither am i Wreck!As i've said before.This is why i have many different conversations in my head,in regards to the ongoing relationship with these people,if what we know about the cage/trap is true! ::MonkeyNoNo::
I'm sorry, but I'm sure Tim is now aware of our QUESTIONS about the Persistence original search. ANSWER those questions first - then we can talk about any additional searches. Sorry to ruffle the feathers of Tim's supporters ( I HOPE I'm still one too), but I'm getting worried. -JMO

I don't think he's going to answer any questions about the original search, like Klaas said "his pocketbook won't allow it". 

Non disclosure agreement.

But I noticed he's expecting Schaefer to fund the next trip too.  Not holding my breath.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 08:06:43 PM
I mean no disrespect either....if fact, I like and admire Tim Miller....but I was wondering, how does Tim
make his living?  Does he get paid by the TES foundation?  How would that work?  I know that he is not
a wealthy man.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 08:08:06 PM



YW can.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 08:08:09 PM
The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - Special Guests: Alexis Moore and Maria Phelps, Mark Williams, Tim Miller, Steph Watts and Robin Sax with “Nothing but the Sax”
 
June 17th, 2009  Mark Williams, Missing Persons, Robin Sax, The Dana Pretzer Show, Tim Miller, True

Join Dana on The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio.

Dana’s Special Guests will include:

Alexis Moore and Maria Phelps - Victims Advocates who are will discuss the NY Bill to extend Statute of Limitations for DV civil cases from 1 to 2 years in the state of New York

Mark Williams - News Commentator who will be talking about the new Casey Anthony Evidence Released in the case of murdered Caylee Anthony

Tim Miller from Texas EquuSearch will be discussing the search for missing Tracy Ocasio
Robin Sax with her weekly segment, “Nothing But the Sax” will be discussing all things crime
Steph Watts Producer of Nancy Grace, Greta and GMA .

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2009/06/17/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-wednesday-june-17-2009-special-guests-alexis-moore-and-maria-phelps-mark-williams-tim-miller-steph-watts-and-robin-sax-with-%e2%80%9cnothing-but/

Tim Miller:  50:25



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 08:10:10 PM
Janet - if you look above I copied just the NH segment for everyone and posted it so people won't have to download the entire show.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 08:10:56 PM
Personally, I think Tim Miller would sell his sole to anyone willing to help pay for the search for ANY missing person including Natalee.

I totally agree Klaas.  I have great respect for Tim and do believe he would do ANYTHING to bring a missing person home to their family.

Now, I have more questions than I did before.  Money was collected for the search back in Jan or Feb 2008.  What happened to that money?  Sorry, but we need answers to these questions.  I don't blame Tim one bit but I do blame Silvetti and Schafer and after what they pulled on their investors by robbing them I believe it is not asking too much for a full and complete accounting of the money collected for this search BEFORE they pulled out of Aruba's waters and headed home (much to our dismay).  JMO

I agree Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 18, 2009, 08:12:55 PM
My opinion ---- Tim's donations would skyrocket IF he came out and exposed anyone that had "exploited" him and/or Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
The reporter that he speaks of is obviously that Jennifer Hale from NBC 13 in Birmingham.
She said that she has the tape of Tim saying he had the funds for the search on the
other targets.  None of us heard the tape, but a friend of mine did watch the segment
and says that Tim did say it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 08:19:49 PM
Janet - if you look above I copied just the NH segment for everyone and posted it so people won't have to download the entire show.  ::MonkeyWink::

Klaas

It not necessary to download when accessing the link I provided.  Just click on "play".  Nevertheless ... if you want to delete my post and link ....
 
Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 08:20:12 PM
In regards to Louis Schaefer funding a search.It would not be in his best interest legally,i would think, as long as he is being pursued legally in regards to the class-action lawsuit!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 18, 2009, 08:21:29 PM
My blood pressure is rising.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 08:22:05 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Debbie on June 18, 2009, 08:29:24 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 18, 2009, 08:33:47 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



Thanks Debbie but Tim didn't say he was working with anyone to get funds from what I was reading.  In fact Tim appears to be distancing himself from this as having the least priority of the cases he is working right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 18, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



All I ask is that they ADDRESS the questions. We ALL deserve that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 08:36:40 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:




And is Robin's friend Mark Purcell helping with the fundraising through AHATA?
I think Klaas does just fine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 08:44:46 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



OMG, I'm so embarrassed, you caught me in a typo/spelling error.  I should just quit now.  Thank you Debbie for straightening everything out for us and showing us the error of our ways. 

Note sarcasm  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 18, 2009, 08:44:55 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:

I for one am not going to bash you for your opinion on this matter.  Some might agree with it and some don't.  We have been here for four years now and our main priority is Justic for Natalee.

Why do you feel the need to correct a spelling error.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 08:49:07 PM
Debbie and ******* likely have a scoreboard for SM spelling errors.  That's part of the GREAT RESEARCH being done.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



Debbie

Kyle Kingman's own words are not going to go away.

Janet

++++++

THE VISUAL DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


THE RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further.

After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains...hmm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 08:53:22 PM
Debbie and ******* likely have a scoreboard for SM spelling errors.  That's part of the GREAT RESEARCH being done.  ::MonkeyCool::

I'll bet that I have the most spelling errors.  Well, Hotshot may have one more than me. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 08:53:57 PM
Thanks Janet


Debbie - why don't you copy this and share it with Johan and *******.  I made it especially for Johan actually.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_JohanCrazy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=JohanCrazy.flv)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 18, 2009, 08:54:21 PM
Debbie and ******* likely have a scoreboard for SM spelling errors.  That's part of the GREAT RESEARCH being done.  ::MonkeyCool::

I'll bet that I have the most spelling errors.  Well, Hotshot may have one more than me. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 18, 2009, 08:55:30 PM
Thanks Janet


Debbie - why don't you copy this and share it with Johan and *******.  I made it especially for Johan actually.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_JohanCrazy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=JohanCrazy.flv)

OMG   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 18, 2009, 08:56:45 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



Debbie

Kyle Kingman's own words are not going to go away.

Janet

++++++

THE VISUAL DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


THE RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further.

After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains...hmm.
ALL I ask is that they ADDRESS these damning statements. Instead, they bash US for questioning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 08:57:39 PM
Thanks Janet


Debbie - why don't you copy this and share it with Johan and *******.  I made it especially for Johan actually.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_JohanCrazy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=JohanCrazy.flv)

OMG   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Den Dolder, Den Dolder, send Johan right over!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 08:59:18 PM
Debbie and ******* likely have a scoreboard for SM spelling errors.  That's part of the GREAT RESEARCH being done.  ::MonkeyCool::

I'll bet that I have the most spelling errors.  Well, Hotshot may have one more than me. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 09:04:20 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



Louis E. Schaefer has plenty of MONEY to fund the search without even blinking an eye Debbie...Why don't you ask the shareholders of Superior Offshore,and or feel free to look up all of Superior Offshores SEC filings online.Louis has BIG,BIG money that he took from people..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 09:04:25 PM
According to Tim Miller in the Dana Interview ... Kingman and John Silvetti  were not successful in "securing one dime" in the outreach for funds to assist in the underwriting of the costs associated with the investigating of the remaining sonar targets that were not dived on prior to the Persistence leaving Aruba?

Something is not right.

Janet

++++++++

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...  

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


BFN
Quote from: LegallyLex on April 03, 2008, 07:42:52 PM


John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search. Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?

John: It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.


Holloway searchers need help
Thursday, February 28, 2008 | 8:21 PM


A Kemah businessman has been on the front lines of the search for Natalee, spending over a million dollars of his own money. Over the past four months, he's paid for an underwater search.
 
The morning we were there, Louis Schafer was signing a wire transfer for $250,000. The money used to operate a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence.

"I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions. "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved."

Natalee Holloway traveled to Aruba two years ago to celebrate her high school graduation and disappeared. Natalee was last seen with Joran Van der Sloot who says he does not know what happened to her.

Schafer made a fortune in the deep sea diving business for oil rig removal and installation. He had access to unique technology and a team of experts that could find just about anything.
 
"So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea," he said.

A relentless search Schafer and his team say will stop, if they don't get more funding.

"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

The search of the rest of those targets will stop this week. For more information on how you can help,

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951


THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008


Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 09:09:32 PM
OMG, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying, LOL.  Johan posted at RU (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crying.gif)

By the way it's amateurish and ugly as hell
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crying.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crying.gif)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JohanRU.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 09:15:38 PM
OMG, that's funny! 

And my thinking was right, Johan would post a link in Hell to get a hit at his website!   ::MonkeyDevil::

And he probably STILL didn't get one!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 09:20:49 PM
She must have left to give Johan my gift  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:25:30 PM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:

Unlike you, I won'd slam or bash you.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 09:25:43 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:26:01 PM
that should be would not


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 18, 2009, 09:27:20 PM
My, My.  It was worth a trip here tonight before bedtime.  Raised my spirits. Much needed, believe me.

 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::         ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:29:21 PM
OMG, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying, LOL.  Johan posted at RU (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crying.gif)

By the way it's amateurish and ugly as hell
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crying.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crying.gif)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JohanRU.jpg)


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe his watermark is him peeing on people.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 09:29:35 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)

Is that Lalas or the Pig with the Flu? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:29:58 PM
My, My.  It was worth a trip here tonight before bedtime.  Raised my spirits. Much needed, believe me.

 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::         ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Sleep well Blue Moon. You and your sister are in my prayers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 09:30:30 PM
My, My.  It was worth a trip here tonight before bedtime.  Raised my spirits. Much needed, believe me.

 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::         ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm glad you were here to laugh with us Blue Moon! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:30:46 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)

Is that Lalas or the Pig with the Flu? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well it certainly is not Miss Piggy. She's never set foot in that hoof and mouth island



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 09:32:06 PM
that should be would not

Look out Kermit, Debbie will be here to correct you. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 09:32:44 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)

Is that Lalas or the Pig with the Flu? ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 18, 2009, 09:34:07 PM
My, My.  It was worth a trip here tonight before bedtime.  Raised my spirits. Much needed, believe me.

 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::         ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm glad you were here to laugh with us Blue Moon! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Thanks TM.  I just LOVE our little laughing girl.


Thanks Kermit.  I had a handle on her contrariness this afternoon.  The staff at the rehab center has an alarm on her so if she trys to get out of bed without their help it goes off.   ::MonkeyDevil::  I like it.  I worry less.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:35:50 PM
BTW O B S E R V E R is a good man. God loves him just like He loves you and me ::MonkeyWink::

Good Night Monkeys

You apparently missed his blue-balls talk to an underage girl.


Any response Bastibro? ::MonkeyCool::


I would have to choose from a thousand responses that are ringing loud in my head right now.

I bet you wouldn`t want me to add any of them I`m sure.

At rumors no shortage KTF  ::MonkeyWink::

You should read the chat for yourself Bastibro and then decide what kind of man acts the way he has with
a child.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 09:35:59 PM
My, My.  It was worth a trip here tonight before bedtime.  Raised my spirits. Much needed, believe me.

 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::         ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Bluemoon, I haven't posted, but I have been keeping up with news on your sister and you.
God bless you both. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:36:46 PM
that should be would not

Look out Kermit, Debbie will be here to correct you. ::MonkeyDevil::


I'm ready to take her on


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:37:36 PM
My, My.  It was worth a trip here tonight before bedtime.  Raised my spirits. Much needed, believe me.

 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::         ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm glad you were here to laugh with us Blue Moon! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Thanks TM.  I just LOVE our little laughing girl.


Thanks Kermit.  I had a handle on her contrariness this afternoon.  The staff at the rehab center has an alarm on her so if she trys to get out of bed without their help it goes off.   ::MonkeyDevil::  I like it.  I worry less.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I love your sister she has spunk!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 09:37:44 PM
My opinion ---- Tim's donations would skyrocket IF he came out and exposed anyone that had "exploited" him and/or Natalee.

I agree wreck.

Without full disclosure ... Texas Equusearch will not be receiving another donation from me.

Tim Miller's silence regarding the happenings which encompassed the contents of the trap ... happenings that troubled Tim following the visual dive as well as his ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer imply that Natalee Holloway has taken a backseat.

Janet

+++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 09:39:31 PM
My, My.  It was worth a trip here tonight before bedtime.  Raised my spirits. Much needed, believe me.

 
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::         ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I'm glad you were here to laugh with us Blue Moon! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Thanks TM.  I just LOVE our little laughing girl.


Thanks Kermit.  I had a handle on her contrariness this afternoon.  The staff at the rehab center has an alarm on her so if she trys to get out of bed without their help it goes off.   ::MonkeyDevil::  I like it.  I worry less.  ::MonkeyDevil::

YW

Stay strong and keep the faith Blue Moon!  She will love what you are doing for her now, when she's all better.  I know it's hard for you, but you can do it!  We're all here for you!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 09:42:10 PM
Must be a slow night in some of the forums  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:46:47 PM
Must be a slow night in some of the forums  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or perhaps they are worried about something.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 09:50:29 PM
Robert Brand vs Superior Offshore International

Brodsky v. Superior Offshore International

Jennifer Ann Bechtel vs Superior Offshore International

seems like the investors should be paid FIRST before money is given freely again


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 09:50:44 PM
Must be a slow night in some of the forums  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or perhaps they are worried about something.




Could be  ::MonkeyWink::

By the way, I didn't mean to imply that ms piggy had the swine flu  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 09:51:00 PM
Must be a slow night in some of the forums  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or perhaps they are worried about something.




Maybe they can ask SS about Scubajap.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 09:52:03 PM
FOR THOSE AMERICAN TRAITORS..

BAD BOY'S,BAD BOY'S
WATCHA YA GONNA DO
WATCHA YA GONNA DO,
 WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU


TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK_TICK

THEN IT' KNOCK,KNOCK
WHO'S THERE?

 ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 09:54:57 PM
Must be a slow night in some of the forums  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or perhaps they are worried about something.




Maybe they can ask SS about Scubajap.

Back to the corner Maggie..You're not playing fair... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 18, 2009, 09:56:55 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)

WOW, I had no idea that Petunia went on a cruise!!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 09:57:14 PM
Must be a slow night in some of the forums  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or perhaps they are worried about something.




Maybe they can ask SS about Scubajap.

Back to the corner Maggie..You're not playing fair... ::MonkeyTongue::

"Nobody puts Baby (Maggie) in the corner!"

I think she's on a roll!  Let her go!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)

WOW, I had no idea that Petunia went on a cruise!!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Either Hotshot found her a deal, or maybe the CLW's sent her a ticket to show their appreciation!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 10:01:08 PM
Must be a slow night in some of the forums  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or perhaps they are worried about something.




Maybe they can ask SS about Scubajap.

Back to the corner Maggie..You're not playing fair... ::MonkeyTongue::

"Nobody puts Baby (Maggie) in the corner!"

I think she's on a roll!  Let her go!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::

On your marks,get set,go Maggie go.... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 10:05:39 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)

WOW, I had no idea that Petunia went on a cruise!!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Either Hotshot found her a deal, or maybe the CLW's sent her a ticket to show their appreciation!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::




I think it is the latter one, TM.  If Hotshot found a deal, she would have gone herself. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 10:10:55 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)

WOW, I had no idea that Petunia went on a cruise!!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Either Hotshot found her a deal, or maybe the CLW's sent her a ticket to show their appreciation!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I think it is the latter one, TM.  If Hotshot found a deal, she would have gone herself. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  That's true! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 10:13:34 PM
GoldMonkey June 18, 2009 at 10:05 pm eastern standard time
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 10:17:16 PM
GoldMonkey June 18, 2009 at 10:05 pm eastern standard time
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Maybe she's looking for Johan to show him the video I made for him  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 18, 2009, 10:18:54 PM
Must have just arrived on the cruise ship  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CruiseShip.jpg)

Is that Lalas or the Pig with the Flu? ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Klassend.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 18, 2009, 10:23:34 PM
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Maybe she's looking for Johan to show him the video I made for him  ::MonkeyHaHa::


It is a fine video.  reckon he will watermark it as research?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 18, 2009, 10:27:30 PM
Thanks Janet


Debbie - why don't you copy this and share it with Johan and *******.  I made it especially for Johan actually.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_JohanCrazy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=JohanCrazy.flv)

my sides are aching!!  Klaas you continually out do yourself!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on June 18, 2009, 10:29:22 PM
Thanks Janet


Debbie - why don't you copy this and share it with Johan and *******.  I made it especially for Johan actually.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_JohanCrazy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=JohanCrazy.flv)

my sides are aching!!  Klaas you continually out do yourself!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas, I have been looking at this yellow crab all week, and thought..I don't get it.  Then I clicked it...now I get it!  Hysterical. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on June 18, 2009, 10:33:09 PM
Kermit please give us something to keep our spirts up. I'm just sick about what I heard Tim say on Dana's show...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 10:39:35 PM
AZsunny, SunnyinTX - Johan has or had a special thread for me with a hermit crab video.  Didn't make much sense to me so that's how I responded  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 18, 2009, 10:45:39 PM
AZsunny, SunnyinTX - Johan has or had a special thread for me with a hermit crab video.  Didn't make much sense to me so that's how I responded  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Johan doesn't make much sense period!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 10:46:20 PM
AZsunny, SunnyinTX - Johan has or had a special thread for me with a hermit crab video.  Didn't make much sense to me so that's how I responded  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Johan doesn't make much sense period!! ::MonkeyWink::

Ain't that the truth!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 18, 2009, 11:09:34 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Wonder why Johan would be obsessed with crabs?   ::MonkeyCool::

(scratch, scratch)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 11:12:25 PM
::MonkeyEek::

Wonder why Johan would be obsessed with crabs?   ::MonkeyCool::

(scratch, scratch)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 11:13:39 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crying.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 18, 2009, 11:20:13 PM
::MonkeyEek::

Wonder why Johan would be obsessed with crabs?   ::MonkeyCool::

(scratch, scratch)

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 11:31:30 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 11:35:38 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)

You shoulda watermarked him Klaas!  Johan will steal him for sure!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 11:37:15 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)

You shoulda watermarked him Klaas!  Johan will steal him for sure!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He'll take your photobucket link to who knows where!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2009, 11:37:59 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)

You shoulda watermarked him Klaas!  Johan will steal him for sure!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

This one doesn't need a watermark  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JohanCrab.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 18, 2009, 11:39:00 PM
Monkey's..Come on down..... ::MonkeyWink::
Keepthefaith, klaasend, Chata, texasmom, iris44, Magnolia, CBB, San, Monkey Mia and 9 Guests


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 11:40:17 PM

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case

Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.   We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.


NBC.13

Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009


Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.  

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/


TEXAS EQUUSEARCH WEBSITE

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News


Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help ...

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


EMAIL - JEN HALE

Subject: RE: NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:43:48 -0400
From: JHale@wvtm.com
To:

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website.  I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset ... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2009, 11:46:06 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)

You shoulda watermarked him Klaas!  Johan will steal him for sure!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

This one doesn't need a watermark  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JohanCrab.gif)

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2009, 11:49:55 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)

Natalee Holloway's uncle is amazing.  He predicted if the Arubans were afforded possession of the contents of the trap ... anything case related would become a "crab".

Janet

++++++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 10:30:32 PM »


They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg323242;topicseen#msg323242




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 19, 2009, 12:00:27 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)

You shoulda watermarked him Klaas!  Johan will steal him for sure!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

This one doesn't need a watermark  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JohanCrab.gif)

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: snoopy on June 19, 2009, 12:04:10 AM
Thanks Janet


Debbie - why don't you copy this and share it with Johan and *******.  I made it especially for Johan actually.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_JohanCrazy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=JohanCrazy.flv)

my sides are aching!!  Klaas you continually out do yourself!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas, I have been looking at this yellow crab all week, and thought..I don't get it.  Then I clicked it...now I get it!  Hysterical. 


O......M......G  I have been looking at this thing too and didn't know I was supposed to click on it either.  ha ha.  Oh and who cares if someone has a spelling error for crying out loud.  Good grief.  Don't like my spelling you can kiss my arse.


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
I'll explain a bit better.  At Johan and *******'s forum, Johan had a thread for SM and a specific one for me with the video of the hermit crab.  Not sure why he associates me with the hermit crab.  So..I took his hermit crab video and slightly modified it.  That's all  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 19, 2009, 12:20:34 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)

You shoulda watermarked him Klaas!  Johan will steal him for sure!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

This one doesn't need a watermark  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JohanCrab.gif)

Yep.............. that crab's South on Johan. Just as I expected..............   ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyEek::

Even the crab looks like it's running for other "pastures"..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 12:22:15 AM
Hi CBB!  I can't help myself, they keep taunting me  ::MonkeyCool::

P.S. did you know I misspelled a word?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 12:25:22 AM
Hi CBB!  I can't help myself, they keep taunting me  ::MonkeyCool::

P.S. did you know I misspelled a word?

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
Janet  ::MonkeyHaHa::  It's true, Debbie (BFN) pointed it out for me.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 19, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
Hi CBB!  I can't help myself, they keep taunting me  ::MonkeyCool::

P.S. did you know I misspelled a word?

You did??? Bless your sole!   ::MonkeyRoll::

Did the priest give you penance???



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: snoopy on June 19, 2009, 12:31:08 AM
Hi CBB!  I can't help myself, they keep taunting me  ::MonkeyCool::

P.S. did you know I misspelled a word?


Well soul long ever buddy.  Got a long day tomm.  Ya'll keep up the good work, and Bless all their hearts too.
You did??? Bless your sole!   ::MonkeyRoll::

Did the priest give you penance???




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: snoopy on June 19, 2009, 12:31:52 AM


Whhooops.  lol  Sorry bout that CBB and Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 12:33:08 AM
Nite Snoopy

opps, I mean

Night Snoopy

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 12:35:39 AM

Good night Snoopy!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Mere on June 19, 2009, 12:40:25 AM
Not one sole left up in this haus so off to bid.... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 12:41:25 AM
Nite Mere


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 19, 2009, 12:42:08 AM
Not one sole left up in this haus so off to bid.... :2waver:

Nit Mare!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Mere on June 19, 2009, 12:44:41 AM
Monkeys are just grate....!   ::MonkeyDance::
See you tomorrow....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: mytime on June 19, 2009, 12:46:11 AM
I am sure Klaas knows how to spell idiot all too well.....just sayin'   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 12:48:39 AM
Not one sole left up in this haus so off to bid.... :2waver:

Nittee nit Mere!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 19, 2009, 12:50:13 AM
I am sure Klaas knows how to spell idiot all too well.....just sayin'   ::MonkeyWink::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 12:59:39 AM
I am sure Klaas knows how to spell idiot all too well.....just sayin'   ::MonkeyWink::

  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 01:07:26 AM
Yes it's spelled j o h a n and *******


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 01:13:18 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 01:13:56 AM
Yes it's spelled j o h a n and *******

AMEN!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 19, 2009, 01:16:01 AM
Yes it's spelled j o h a n and *******

Excellent. Perfectly spelled   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 01:17:16 AM
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Says a lot doesn't it!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on June 19, 2009, 01:19:51 AM
Goodnight Monkeys

Time to hit the hay

 ::MonkeyAngel:: :smt015




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 01:22:02 AM
Goodnight Monkeys

Time to hit the hay

 ::MonkeyAngel:: :smt015




Good night Artcolley!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 01:24:50 AM
Nite Artcolley



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 19, 2009, 01:29:14 AM
If many of these people can't understand the seriousness of obstruction of justice..They'll understand when they hear the knock on their door..No Sh_T..It ain't gonna be a polite knock either!Sucks to be you....... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 19, 2009, 01:36:06 AM
If many of these people can't understand the seriousness of obstruction of justice..They'll understand when they hear the knock on their door..No Sh_T..It ain't gonna be a polite knock either!Sucks to be you....... ::MonkeyTongue::

These American Traitors need to understand!You on American soil suckers...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 19, 2009, 01:40:16 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GODBLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 02:07:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on June 19, 2009, 02:14:42 AM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Now think about that connection for a minute, and all that it entails..................

Klein (Gesterkamp) bought the Gottenbos boat in 2005.

The Gottenbos boat that Natalee's family could never get an answer as to whether or not it was ever searched.

The Gottenbos boat that Sander put into play via his statement.

The Gottenbos boat that Joran put into play by his inclusion of Koen in his "alibi" for the night of the 30th.

The Gottenbos boat that scubajap (AKA Rosalie) went to such pains to insist had spun a prop and was out of commission on the night(s) in question - that Sander's statement contradicts.

The cell phone pings of Joran that put him at the dock in between the Mariott and the Holiday Inn the night of the 30th - when he said he was with Koen at the racquet club at that exact time (which he later admitted never happened).

The Gottenbos boat that many have ascertained as being the vehicle which disposed of Natalee's remains at sea.

The Freebird timeline that encompasses those beliefs and the supportive facts for them.

The Freebird timeline that Kyle told us was definitely looked at by Persistence before their search began.

The Freebird timeline that Kyle queried us on for more detail once the search began, and before they found the cage.

Now add in the SS Minnow (hee-hee) and his/her connection to Rosalie, his/her registration time at SM, and all of his/her actions AFTER Persistence was exposed.

Sorry that I can not provide the official proof, but I am quite sure that boat was search - but much later - not immediately as it should have been.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 19, 2009, 02:17:03 AM
Tim Miller on Dana has me confused.
It is like what we believe happened while he was on persistence, captured by dateline, never happened ::MonkeyEek::
Maybe next time Tim is on Dana's show, some good Monkey can ask Dana to ask the question....or ask Tim the question directly.
Monkeys deserve an honest answer wrt what Tim said he thought he saw and what kyle posted wrt the evidence in the cage.
How do we get the question front and center to Tim Miller, kyle, tim t, john s, louis s?
For that matter, Tim M with Dana infers that Beth supports fundraising for another water search....maybe Red can ask Beth her thoughts on what Tim did or didn't brief her on the persistence cage contents....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 02:46:10 AM
Tim Miller on Dana has me confused.
It is like what we believe happened while he was on persistence, captured by dateline, never happened ::MonkeyEek::
Maybe next time Tim is on Dana's show, some good Monkey can ask Dana to ask the question....or ask Tim the question directly.
Monkeys deserve an honest answer wrt what Tim said he thought he saw and what kyle posted wrt the evidence in the cage.
How do we get the question front and center to Tim Miller, kyle, tim t, john s, louis s?
For that matter, Tim M with Dana infers that Beth supports fundraising for another water search....maybe Red can ask Beth her thoughts on what Tim did or didn't brief her on the persistence cage contents....



Hi billb!

My understanding of the fundraiser in July that Beth is going to attend is a TES in general fundraiser, and not specifically for Natalee's search.  My understanding from Tim's statements on Dana's show is that Louis Schaefer is working on raising the funds for the second water search.  There wasn't a "we", or "they", from what I heard only him from my understanding.  It is all very confusing to me too, but I know that Beth has assisted TES in other searches for missing people, and I think that her cooperation with the July fundraiser is for the organization in general.  JMO

Quote
We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.

Quote
Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.

This flyer is from the TES website:

http://texasequusearch.org/category/featured-articles/events/

(http://texasequusearch.org/images/InAction/MiscImages/TESFundraiserFlyer2009.jpg)

This is the website of the location where the fundraiser will be held:

http://www.lancesturtleclub.net/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 19, 2009, 02:47:20 AM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case
Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.
Big fundraiser in July with Beth seems headed in the right direction...But needing a miracle from louis s is less than encouraging...My advice to Tim is if he wants God's blessing for future searches......go public to explain what he said during the dateline tappings......It means something, or it doesn't........explanation is required if I am going to donate again.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 02:49:08 AM
There may be another fundraiser, I don't know for sure that the flyer I posted is the one that Tim said Beth will attend, but it's the only one I found on the TES website.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 19, 2009, 02:55:26 AM
Tim Miller on Dana has me confused.
It is like what we believe happened while he was on persistence, captured by dateline, never happened ::MonkeyEek::
Maybe next time Tim is on Dana's show, some good Monkey can ask Dana to ask the question....or ask Tim the question directly.
Monkeys deserve an honest answer wrt what Tim said he thought he saw and what kyle posted wrt the evidence in the cage.
How do we get the question front and center to Tim Miller, kyle, tim t, john s, louis s?
For that matter, Tim M with Dana infers that Beth supports fundraising for another water search....maybe Red can ask Beth her thoughts on what Tim did or didn't brief her on the persistence cage contents....



Hi billb!

My understanding of the fundraiser in July that Beth is going to attend is a TES in general fundraiser, and not specifically for Natalee's search.  My understanding from Tim's statements on Dana's show is that Louis Schaefer is working on raising the funds for the second water search.  There wasn't a "we", or "they", from what I heard only him from my understanding.  It is all very confusing to me too, but I know that Beth has assisted TES in other searches for missing people, and I think that her cooperation with the July fundraiser is for the organization in general.  JMO

Quote
We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.

Quote
Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.

This flyer is from the TES website:

http://texasequusearch.org/category/featured-articles/events/

(http://texasequusearch.org/images/InAction/MiscImages/TESFundraiserFlyer2009.jpg)

This is the website of the location where the fundraiser will be held:

http://www.lancesturtleclub.net/
Thanks TM.....I think we are all understanding that Tim is skirting direct questions about persistence search to keep funds flowing for his many other worthy causes.....His heart overflows to bring justice to so many victims/families and I applaud those efforts.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 19, 2009, 02:57:33 AM
Good night good Monkeys.....I truely believe in my heart that we are one day coser to Justice for Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 03:00:40 AM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case
Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.
Big fundraiser in July with Beth seems headed in the right direction...But needing a miracle from louis s is less than encouraging...My advice to Tim is if he wants God's blessing for future searches......go public to explain what he said during the dateline tappings......It means something, or it doesn't........explanation is required if I am going to donate again.....


I agree billb.  I don't like feeling that way AT ALL!  But I do.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 03:09:55 AM
Good night good Monkeys.....I truly believe in my heart that we are one day closer to Justice for Natalee....

I so hope you're right billb! My heart has been so heavy after listening to Tim Miller last night.  I know I'm not the only one that feels that way.

He may not be able to answer direct questions from us or Dana about what we NEED to know, but I pray that somehow someway....those answers will be forthcoming.

This is all just way too hinky.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 03:16:49 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 04:51:06 AM

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case

Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.   We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.


NBC.13

Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009


Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.  

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/


TEXAS EQUUSEARCH WEBSITE

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News


Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help ...

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


EMAIL - JEN HALE

Subject: RE: NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:43:48 -0400
From: JHale@wvtm.com
To:

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website.  I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset ... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale



HOLLOWAY: I identified myself and I was obviously stressed out at that moment. And the first thing he says "Well how much money you got?" It was like, like to (INAUDIBLE). My brothers looked around and couldn't believe it and then we finally settled down and went off in the back room.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT!


Aruba is draining the pockets of Dave Holloway as he listens to these Arubans with an agenda telling him his daughter's remains are in a pond and the witness saw Joran with mud on him. THEN Search the ocean some more!!!! WHAT FOR!

Common sense tells you that something was inside that one cage and no one bothered to get it except Arubans while Kyle ran off to sell the ROV images stateside!

So why go look at other cages? Makes no sense at all. But it will cost another million dollars to search the other 150 targets and hand over any evidence or bodies to the Arubans.

It is just another way for Arubans to drain the pockets of good American citizens asking for donations to hand over to a crew and it's owner that already showed they had no intention of doing the right thing and that was to make
sure that the ROV images and evidence was obtained and retained by U.S. Authorities and not Arubans!

Some one is paying these Arubans to sit on the boards and email Dave Holloway telling him he can get his daughter's remains if he pays more money and a select few American's are assisting them.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 04:53:03 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/crab.gif)

You shoulda watermarked him Klaas!  Johan will steal him for sure!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

This one doesn't need a watermark  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JohanCrab.gif)


he's running both ways
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 04:54:51 AM
Kermit please give us something to keep our spirts up. I'm just sick about what I heard Tim say on Dana's show...

Let things play out. Do not be discouraged my friend



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 05:09:40 AM
If there was nothing inside the cage that Silvetti's crew discovered. THEN WHY would KYLE say: " My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out. "

AND why would KYLE ADMIT: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric." was INSIDE THE CAGE!

AND What I do know is that there is blue fabric found on the 7th of Jan and a piece of blue tarp. This is reluctantly confirmed by Richardson and Mos.

OH AND GOLLY GEE WHIZ, NOT ONLY DOES KYLE SEE IT, SO DOES MOS AND RICHARDSON!!!


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2284/2350003000_a19516d71e_o.jpg)




Debbie posted: "there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.:

Kyle said: "neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge. "[/u]


JQK said it would not be possible to recover the body at this time because of the manner of disposal.




Scared Monkeys are not fooled by Aruba's cover-up!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on June 19, 2009, 07:58:42 AM
Kermit please give us something to keep our spirts up. I'm just sick about what I heard Tim say on Dana's show...

Let things play out. Do not be discouraged my friend



Thanks Kermit. Your words give me hope...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 19, 2009, 08:08:00 AM

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case

Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.   We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.


NBC.13

Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009


Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.  

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/


TEXAS EQUUSEARCH WEBSITE

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News


Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help ...

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


EMAIL - JEN HALE

Subject: RE: NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:43:48 -0400
From: JHale@wvtm.com
To:

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website.  I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset ... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale



HOLLOWAY: I identified myself and I was obviously stressed out at that moment. And the first thing he says "Well how much money you got?" It was like, like to (INAUDIBLE). My brothers looked around and couldn't believe it and then we finally settled down and went off in the back room.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT!


Aruba is draining the pockets of Dave Holloway as he listens to these Arubans with an agenda telling him his daughter's remains are in a pond and the witness saw Joran with mud on him. THEN Search the ocean some more!!!! WHAT FOR!

Common sense tells you that something was inside that one cage and no one bothered to get it except Arubans while Kyle ran off to sell the ROV images stateside!

So why go look at other cages? Makes no sense at all. But it will cost another million dollars to search the other 150 targets and hand over any evidence or bodies to the Arubans.

It is just another way for Arubans to drain the pockets of good American citizens asking for donations to hand over to a crew and it's owner that already showed they had no intention of doing the right thing and that was to make
sure that the ROV images and evidence was obtained and retained by U.S. Authorities and not Arubans!

Some one is paying these Arubans to sit on the boards and email Dave Holloway telling him he can get his daughter's remains if he pays more money and a select few American's are assisting them.



Oh Kermit, you are so on the money.  This is a "shakedown" and like you said it is all about draining money and putting Dave through the mill in the process.  I can only imagine who on that island is pulling this stunt.  May they rot in hell.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 19, 2009, 09:07:41 AM
O/T (well kinda)

http://www.gilligansisle.com/minnow.html

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Now think about that connection for a minute, and all that it entails..................

Klein (Gesterkamp) bought the Gottenbos boat in 2005.

The Gottenbos boat that Natalee's family could never get an answer as to whether or not it was ever searched.

The Gottenbos boat that Sander put into play via his statement.

The Gottenbos boat that Joran put into play by his inclusion of Koen in his "alibi" for the night of the 30th.

The Gottenbos boat that scubajap (AKA Rosalie) went to such pains to insist had spun a prop and was out of commission on the night(s) in question - that Sander's statement contradicts.

The cell phone pings of Joran that put him at the dock in between the Mariott and the Holiday Inn the night of the 30th - when he said he was with Koen at the racquet club at that exact time (which he later admitted never happened).

The Gottenbos boat that many have ascertained as being the vehicle which disposed of Natalee's remains at sea.

The Freebird timeline that encompasses those beliefs and the supportive facts for them.

The Freebird timeline that Kyle told us was definitely looked at by Persistence before their search began.

The Freebird timeline that Kyle queried us on for more detail once the search began, and before they found the cage.

Now add in the SS Minnow (hee-hee) and his/her connection to Rosalie, his/her registration time at SM, and all of his/her actions AFTER Persistence was exposed.

Sorry that I can not provide the official proof, but I am quite sure that boat was search - but much later - not immediately as it should have been.

Hi Sleuth,

Can you give us a time frame on when it was searched?  And was it forensically searched?

TIA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 19, 2009, 09:09:42 AM
Thank you Txmom.  That is my understanding as well.





Hi billb!

My understanding of the fundraiser in July that Beth is going to attend is a TES in general fundraiser, and not specifically for Natalee's search.  My understanding from Tim's statements on Dana's show is that Louis Schaefer is working on raising the funds for the second water search.  There wasn't a "we", or "they", from what I heard only him from my understanding.  It is all very confusing to me too, but I know that Beth has assisted TES in other searches for missing people, and I think that her cooperation with the July fundraiser is for the organization in general.  JMO

Quote
We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.

Quote
Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.

This flyer is from the TES website:

http://texasequusearch.org/category/featured-articles/events/

(http://texasequusearch.org/images/InAction/MiscImages/TESFundraiserFlyer2009.jpg)

This is the website of the location where the fundraiser will be held:

http://www.lancesturtleclub.net/
[/quote]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 19, 2009, 09:24:47 AM



HOLLOWAY: I identified myself and I was obviously stressed out at that moment. And the first thing he says "Well how much money you got?" It was like, like to (INAUDIBLE). My brothers looked around and couldn't believe it and then we finally settled down and went off in the back room.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT!


Aruba is draining the pockets of Dave Holloway as he listens to these Arubans with an agenda telling him his daughter's remains are in a pond and the witness saw Joran with mud on him. THEN Search the ocean some more!!!! WHAT FOR!

Common sense tells you that something was inside that one cage and no one bothered to get it except Arubans while Kyle ran off to sell the ROV images stateside!

So why go look at other cages? Makes no sense at all. But it will cost another million dollars to search the other 150 targets and hand over any evidence or bodies to the Arubans.  

It is just another way for Arubans to drain the pockets of good American citizens asking for donations to hand over to a crew and it's owner that already showed they had no intention of doing the right thing and that was to make
sure that the ROV images and evidence was obtained and retained by U.S. Authorities and not Arubans!

Some one is paying these Arubans to sit on the boards and email Dave Holloway telling him he can get his daughter's remains if he pays more money and a select few American's are assisting them.



In addition to those common sense thoughts - how about these.

1 - Just WHAT WERE THEY DOING for 3 months in Aruba waters AFTER they already had the targets located?  Side scan sonar was completed within the first couple of weeks, and targets identified.  THE cage was the first ROV dive - and with good cause.

So.............after that ROV dive, if not exploring those other 150 targets with the ROV, WHAT WERE THEY DOING FOR 2.5 MORE MONTHS?????

Taking the advice of Dolphi Richardson - a member of the Aruban Dirty Police - to "look out in deeper waters"  ::MonkeyConfused::

2 - Silvetti turned his back on THE cage, before the recovery dive took place.  And he got Tim Miller OFF THE BOAT before that could happen.

WHY??

As several good monkeys have pointed out - some answers need to be forthcoming from the Persistence crew and its benefactor.

How about an email to Tim Miller?  Short and sweet - include Kyle's ROV pictures from Jan 7th, and a few of his EXACT, NOT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT comments.

Asking Tim Miller to discuss this with John Silvetti AND KYLE - asking WHY there was no US law enforcement involved, WHY Silvetti gladly turned EVERYTHING (including inspection of the items recovered) over to the Arubans?

And how about an additional email to Tim detailing Schaefer's actions, and the class action suit, the SEC and IRS investigations - and now the filing against him for FRAUD.

Definitely NOT the actions of someone I would care to entrust with the safe recovery of my loved ones remains.

Oh - and one more question for Tim to ask Silvetti and Schaefer....................this forward momentum (started with a Dutch article quoting Silvetti ONLY about a new "search") wouldn't, by chance, have anything to do with the project offshore Aruba for which help wanted ads were placed in April for oil drilling/rigging vessels......................would it??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 09:58:37 AM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:




Considering Debbie's personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway as well as her connection with John Silvetti ... I believe her words.

When Kyle Kingsman's posts are considered regarding John Silvetti affording the enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains ... inquiring minds want to know why Dave Holloway and Tim Miller are working together with Silvetti in the raising of funds for the purpose of investigating remaining targets.

Janet

+++++


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something.  As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...  

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


THE RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 19, 2009, 10:22:13 AM
The only reason that I can think that Dave and Tim are still even speaking to
Scheafer and Silvetti, is the hope that they can possibably get the remains
found in the trap turned over to them. 

I still wonder where those remains are now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 10:49:17 AM
The only reason that I can think that Dave and Tim are still even speaking to
Scheafer and Silvetti, is the hope that they can possibably get the remains
found in the trap turned over to them. 

I still wonder where those remains are now.

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 19, 2009, 11:11:11 AM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

WOW Thanks Klaas, I didn`t hear it yet!

You mind if I load it up to YT??




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 19, 2009, 11:30:23 AM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



Louis E. Schaefer has plenty of MONEY to fund the search without even blinking an eye Debbie...Why don't you ask the shareholders of Superior Offshore,and or feel free to look up all of Superior Offshores SEC filings online.Louis has BIG,BIG money that he took from people..... ::MonkeyCool::

I would venture to say from reading the SEC filings that Schaefer has anywhere between 100/200 million dollars...You really don't need to look far to get 1.5 million dollars now do you?If Schaefer's heart was in the right place the search woulda been done long ago! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 19, 2009, 11:47:48 AM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



Louis E. Schaefer has plenty of MONEY to fund the search without even blinking an eye Debbie...Why don't you ask the shareholders of Superior Offshore,and or feel free to look up all of Superior Offshores SEC filings online.Louis has BIG,BIG money that he took from people..... ::MonkeyCool::

I would venture to say from reading the SEC filings that Schaefer has anywhere between 100/200 million dollars...You really don't need to look far to get 1.5 million dollars now do you?If Schaefer's heart was in the right place the search woulda been done long ago! ::MonkeyCool::


Let's honestly ask ourselves.With Schaefer & Silvetti working in the BILLION DOLLAR OIL INDUSTRY,as well as working & having GREAT relationships with these BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES.How long would it take them to get 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS IN DONATIONS from the companies for such a great cause,let alone a GLOBAL NEWS story which would be great publicity for your company Globally or maybe not??Me thinks if they wanted to raise the money it would take NO LONGER THEN A WEEK...JMOO ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2009, 12:05:20 PM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

WOW Thanks Klaas, I didn`t hear it yet!

You mind if I load it up to YT??




Bastibro - I posted it in an open forum, do with it what you want.  Or, you could download the podcast and put something together yourself.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 19, 2009, 12:36:33 PM


I don't think he's going to answer any questions about the original search, like Klaas said "his pocketbook won't allow it". 

Non disclosure agreement.

But I noticed he's expecting Schaefer to fund the next trip too.  Not holding my breath.   ::MonkeyWink::

was it this post from kyle here at SM that is making you think there was a non-disclosure agreement txmom?

Reply #820 on: November 23, 2008, 02:46:34 PM
 
Kermit,

First, I have NEVER threatened you.  The only thing I said to you is that I do not want to be sued by releasing information into the public that I was specifically told by OUR FBI as confidential. When I'm told not to comment by our FBI, I listen. You clearly do not understand this.

I made a mistake trusting you with so much as a greeting.  It was a gross misjudgement in character on my part. 

We all want the truth out in it's entirety.  The truth will be told by Beth in her terms when SHE feels ready.  It's not up to you or I. If you want the truth, ask BETH, not me.  Your answers will come from her.   

As for me, I stand by Natalee.   I'm sorry Kermit, my answer is NO.  This is my last post at SM
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554523#msg554523
===========

Or is my brain mush because it's Friday.........and I'm not remembering something?

And if there WAS a confidentiality agreement - it certainly wasn't with the FBI, We all know the FBI wouldn't file civil suit against someone  ::MonkeyRoll:: for releasing information in a criminal investigation - they'd get hit with criminal charges of tampering or some such thin.

And second - Why, if there was nothing in that cage, would the FBI have told Kyle the information he gave them was confidential and not to discuss it?



3 -


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 01:00:59 PM


I don't think he's going to answer any questions about the original search, like Klaas said "his pocketbook won't allow it". 

Non disclosure agreement.

But I noticed he's expecting Schaefer to fund the next trip too.  Not holding my breath.   ::MonkeyWink::

was it this post from kyle here at SM that is making you think there was a non-disclosure agreement txmom?

Reply #820 on: November 23, 2008, 02:46:34 PM
 
Kermit,

First, I have NEVER threatened you.  The only thing I said to you is that I do not want to be sued by releasing information into the public that I was specifically told by OUR FBI as confidential. When I'm told not to comment by our FBI, I listen. You clearly do not understand this.

I made a mistake trusting you with so much as a greeting.  It was a gross misjudgement in character on my part. 

We all want the truth out in it's entirety.  The truth will be told by Beth in her terms when SHE feels ready.  It's not up to you or I. If you want the truth, ask BETH, not me.  Your answers will come from her.   

As for me, I stand by Natalee.   I'm sorry Kermit, my answer is NO.  This is my last post at SM
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554523#msg554523
===========

Or is my brain mush because it's Friday.........and I'm not remembering something?

And if there WAS a confidentiality agreement - it certainly wasn't with the FBI, We all know the FBI wouldn't file civil suit against someone  ::MonkeyRoll:: for releasing information in a criminal investigation - they'd get hit with criminal charges of tampering or some such thin.

And second - Why, if there was nothing in that cage, would the FBI have told Kyle the information he gave them was confidential and not to discuss it?



3 -

No, I don't think that was it Jen.  I'm still flipping pancakes for my sons and some of their friends.  I'll look, and hopefully post what made me think that ASAP!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 01:07:35 PM

Let's honestly ask ourselves.With Schaefer & Silvetti working in the BILLION DOLLAR OIL INDUSTRY,as well as working & having GREAT relationships with these BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES.How long would it take them to get 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS IN DONATIONS from the companies for such a great cause,let alone a GLOBAL NEWS story which would be great publicity for your company Globally or maybe not??Me thinks if they wanted to raise the money it would take NO LONGER THEN A WEEK...JMOO ::MonkeyCool::

Keepthefaith

Bottom line IMO.

According to Kyle Kingman's own words ... it appears that justice for Natalee Holloway was never John Silvetti's intentions.  Was there a mutually beneficial agreement with the enemy to further the Aruban coverup that had prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005?

Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller were troubled with what all that they observed and heard on board the Persistence in regards in regards to the happenings encompassing the trap.  Nevertheless ... both these men remained silence while continuing a professional relationship with John Silvetti.

Janet

++++++++

1.  SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area …


2.  JOHN SILVETTI

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


3.  KYLE KINGMAN

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.


Kingman Geophysical Solutions
Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Ormen Lange Excavation -North Sea, Norway


Ormen Lange deep sea pipeline excavation monitoring. Working in conjunction with Oceaneering, SRD, and Fugro Norway on board the Island Valiant. Magnum working class ROV and high-resolution multibeam sonar. StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/2008/07/ormen-lange-excavation-north-sea-norway.html


The Travels and Thoughts of Kyle Kingman
Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008

 
I called Knut Landstad, who was my point of contact in Oslo to let him know I was leaving the airport ...

The offshore project manager, John told me ....

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html


The Travels and Thoughts of Kyle Kingman
Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July


It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt ...

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html


4.  TIM MILLER

TES - Donations

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman – 02/15/08:
  Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email:
donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


TES - Resources and Manpower

December 09, 2008


Tim Miller and John Silvetti from the Silvetti Group out of Louisiana, will be in Yankeetown, Florida to search for the two men missing since their plane lost radar contact with officials. Darien Peckham and Zachary Schlitt were headed to Vandenberg Airport, Tampa, Florida and never reached their destination. We will post more details regarding this search at a later date.
 
http://www.texasequusearch.org/


December 12, 2008

Texas EquuSearch was successful in locating the A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this young man. TES would like to thank John Silvetti and the Silvetti group from Louisiana and Dennis and Tammy Watters and also the Texas Parks and Wildlife personnel for their roles in helping Texas EquuSearch locate A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/bergfeld-chase-richland-chambers-reservoir-tx-missing-121308/


February 22, 2009

As of 10:15 pm, Texas EquuSearch has been joined in the search for Dr. Zella by the Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Company, both out of Louisiana. We will continue searching tonight, as long as possible.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/search-for-missing-kayaker-in-seabrook-tx-tes-needs-searchers/


February 24, 2009

On Monday, five different groups were using sonar equipment to scan the bottom of Clear Lake — League City, Nassau Bay, the Montgomery County Constable’s office and The Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Co., both of Louisiana, Black said. Equusearch said the sonar teams and divers will work through most of Monday night.

“The winds have not let up on us to allow us to do anything much until now,” Black said Monday afternoon.

The search will continue on Tuesday beginning at 8 a.m. Volunteers are needed and encouraged to visit the command center located at the Clear Lake Park boat ramp on NASA Parkway in Seabrook.

At about 10:15 p.m. Sunday, the search team was joined by The Silvetti Group and Legacy arrived with divers, who began searching shortly thereafter and continued diving until about 5 a.m. Monday.

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2009/02/24/bay_area_citizen/news/2kayak26.txt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #544 on: December 19, 2008, 06:52:12 PM »


PERHAPS KYLE VIOLATED THE COPYRIGHT HIMSELF

Kyle said: "She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship."
 
The next step:

I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592533;topicseen#msg592533



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 19, 2009, 01:32:45 PM
Thank you Txmom.  That is my understanding as well.





Hi billb!

My understanding of the fundraiser in July that Beth is going to attend is a TES in general fundraiser, and not specifically for Natalee's search.  My understanding from Tim's statements on Dana's show is that Louis Schaefer is working on raising the funds for the second water search.  There wasn't a "we", or "they", from what I heard only him from my understanding.  It is all very confusing to me too, but I know that Beth has assisted TES in other searches for missing people, and I think that her cooperation with the July fundraiser is for the organization in general.  JMO

Quote
We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.

Quote
Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.

This flyer is from the TES website:

http://texasequusearch.org/category/featured-articles/events/

(http://texasequusearch.org/images/InAction/MiscImages/TESFundraiserFlyer2009.jpg)

This is the website of the location where the fundraiser will be held:

http://www.lancesturtleclub.net/
[/quote]
















I'll bet Debbie is really busy correcting the spelling in that flyer.  Maybe she will email Tim her corrections. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 02:13:45 PM


I don't think he's going to answer any questions about the original search, like Klaas said "his pocketbook won't allow it". 

Non disclosure agreement.

But I noticed he's expecting Schaefer to fund the next trip too.  Not holding my breath.   ::MonkeyWink::

was it this post from kyle here at SM that is making you think there was a non-disclosure agreement txmom?

Reply #820 on: November 23, 2008, 02:46:34 PM
 
Kermit,

First, I have NEVER threatened you.  The only thing I said to you is that I do not want to be sued by releasing information into the public that I was specifically told by OUR FBI as confidential. When I'm told not to comment by our FBI, I listen. You clearly do not understand this.

I made a mistake trusting you with so much as a greeting.  It was a gross misjudgement in character on my part. 

We all want the truth out in it's entirety.  The truth will be told by Beth in her terms when SHE feels ready.  It's not up to you or I. If you want the truth, ask BETH, not me.  Your answers will come from her.   

As for me, I stand by Natalee.   I'm sorry Kermit, my answer is NO.  This is my last post at SM
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554523#msg554523
===========

Or is my brain mush because it's Friday.........and I'm not remembering something?

And if there WAS a confidentiality agreement - it certainly wasn't with the FBI, We all know the FBI wouldn't file civil suit against someone  ::MonkeyRoll:: for releasing information in a criminal investigation - they'd get hit with criminal charges of tampering or some such thin.

And second - Why, if there was nothing in that cage, would the FBI have told Kyle the information he gave them was confidential and not to discuss it?



3 -

No, I don't think that was it Jen.  I'm still flipping pancakes for my sons and some of their friends.  I'll look, and hopefully post what made me think that ASAP!



I've found this post by ldstlou so far, I know that this alone is not what I based my opinion on; I'm still looking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg602628#msg602628

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #290 on: December 29, 2008, 10:29:03 PM »


Quote
Two...Kyle had a confidentiality agreement with the ship he was on...the Persitence...which is standard, and one with the Freebirds which Kermit agreed to when she joined. Is his career affected by what Kermit did? Absolutely!!! Did he try and cover up the finding of Natalee? No!! And just like Beth and Dave and Jug walked away from Aruba feeling as though "something went wrong" so did Kyle. And it was because of that feeling he joined the Freebirds and openly discussed with other members his concerns.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 02:16:10 PM

Big fundraiser in July with Beth seems headed in the right direction...But needing a miracle from louis s is less than encouraging...My advice to Tim is if he wants God's blessing for future searches......go public to explain what he said during the dateline tappings......It means something, or it doesn't........explanation is required if I am going to donate again.....


My position exactly.

I am though donating to charities that take a stand that accountability should not be expected.  In other words ... I am expected to "trust".

If it had not been for Kyle Kingman's own words ... we all would be in the dark in regards to John Silvetti affording sole possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains to the enemy ... the enemy who has had a coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 02:23:48 PM
CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT


KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO JUG TWITTY AND IDSTLOU

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO KERMIT

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »


Kyle sent me this today[/b]

Kermit,
 
You and the others agreed to a statement of confidentiality and nondisclosure at FB.  Before I posted any information, I posted a copyright notice at the very start which disallowed ANY and ALL of my posts, intellectual property, or pictures to leave the spot they were posted.  Everyone, including yourself, acknowledged this affirmatively. A lawyer said that ownership of that posted material cannot be transferred by a general claim of copyright such as a claim made on the front page of a website, or even by verbal consent. Written agreement, meaning a signed agreement, is required for the post to be owned by the site owner. Without a signed agreement, the poster owns the post. I did not give you permission, which I have stated many times when you were in violation. While the rest agreed, you violated this legal agreement repeatedly.  You have taken many of my posts, snipped what you wanted to put them into your context, and then shared them in a public forum.  The "public domain" notion only applies where someone has copyright ownership over the work in the first case and that ownership has lapsed. In that case, all posts can be freely reproduced by anyone, anywhere, without violating copyright law. However, this is clearly not the case.

I will state this with absolute clarity so there is no misunderstanding:
I have confirmed with the FBI on multiple instances that they have had possession of the ROV videos since very early on. I personally didn't send the ROV footage to them because another project lead had already at the first opportunity while we were still in Aruba. I sent all of the ROV screen shots directly to the FBI the day they were acquired.

I also got confirmation back in February by Tim Trahan who was in constant contact with Beth during the search that she indeed had all the information including the statements and has seen the ROV videos. I personally confirmed all of this with the senior FBI agent in charge of the investigation as well as given him my personal account of all that I witnessed and knew. They have this on record.  Birmingham is not the office in charge.
 
The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee.
 
I have neither publicly responded to your provocative antics, or retaliated with personal attacks in response to yours. I also have never threatened you as you publicly claimed.
 
I recently asked the senior FBI agent in charge how I should handle this situation which you have incited.   I thought his response was terrific. He replied: "Just sit back and keep quiet.  Kermit doesn't matter".

So this is exactly what I've done. I wrote this letter to you as a gesture of courtesy in hopes it would save you from further embarrassment from those who actually know something about this case.  I'm not referring to myself, rather the family and lead investigators who are out legitimately investigating this case in pursuit of justice right to the top.
 
Sincerely,
 Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 02:46:23 PM
Jen,
I've got some other things I need to do.  It seems like there was a discussion about why other crew members haven't come forward with any questions regarding the search; and maybe that's another area where an agreement for all crew members may have been mentioned.  I will look more later.

It's a beautiful day here today!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 02:47:09 PM


Thanks for all the reminders Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
This topic was discussed once before.

IIRC ... according to my hubby's attorney nephew ... a confidentiality agreement does not extend to appearances of illegal wrongdoing.  A statement to an attorney or law enforcement regarding concerns is not considered a violation.

The implication would be that any member of Persistence crew could have come forward to the FBI and reported what appeared to be an obstruction of justice by John Silvetti in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Maybe there is a legal eagle on the forum who could dispute or affirm.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 03:02:35 PM


Thanks for all the reminders Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

You are welcome texasmom.

A couple games of bowling with eldest grandsons (9/11) is where it is at for Mama and Papa following a bite of lunch.

Janet
12:05 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 03:31:48 PM
CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT


KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO JUG TWITTY AND IDSTLOU

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO KERMIT

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »


Kyle sent me this today[/b]

Kermit,
 
You and the others agreed to a statement of confidentiality and nondisclosure at FB.  Before I posted any information, I posted a copyright notice at the very start which disallowed ANY and ALL of my posts, intellectual property, or pictures to leave the spot they were posted.  Everyone, including yourself, acknowledged this affirmatively. A lawyer said that ownership of that posted material cannot be transferred by a general claim of copyright such as a claim made on the front page of a website, or even by verbal consent. Written agreement, meaning a signed agreement, is required for the post to be owned by the site owner. Without a signed agreement, the poster owns the post. I did not give you permission, which I have stated many times when you were in violation. While the rest agreed, you violated this legal agreement repeatedly.  You have taken many of my posts, snipped what you wanted to put them into your context, and then shared them in a public forum.  The "public domain" notion only applies where someone has copyright ownership over the work in the first case and that ownership has lapsed. In that case, all posts can be freely reproduced by anyone, anywhere, without violating copyright law. However, this is clearly not the case.

I will state this with absolute clarity so there is no misunderstanding:
I have confirmed with the FBI on multiple instances that they have had possession of the ROV videos since very early on. I personally didn't send the ROV footage to them because another project lead had already at the first opportunity while we were still in Aruba. I sent all of the ROV screen shots directly to the FBI the day they were acquired.

I also got confirmation back in February by Tim Trahan who was in constant contact with Beth during the search that she indeed had all the information including the statements and has seen the ROV videos. I personally confirmed all of this with the senior FBI agent in charge of the investigation as well as given him my personal account of all that I witnessed and knew. They have this on record.  Birmingham is not the office in charge.
 
The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee.
I have neither publicly responded to your provocative antics, or retaliated with personal attacks in response to yours. I also have never threatened you as you publicly claimed.
 
I recently asked the senior FBI agent in charge how I should handle this situation which you have incited.   I thought his response was terrific. He replied: "Just sit back and keep quiet.  Kermit doesn't matter".

So this is exactly what I've done. I wrote this letter to you as a gesture of courtesy in hopes it would save you from further embarrassment from those who actually know something about this case.  I'm not referring to myself, rather the family and lead investigators who are out legitimately investigating this case in pursuit of justice right to the top.
 
Sincerely,
 Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


I believe the highlighted portions of Kyle Kingman's above emails ... tells the entire story to why crew members on board the Persistence have remained silence in regards to wrongdoing that further the Aruban coverup agenda.   From a financial perspective ... each crew member is beholding to John Silvetti.

Kyle Kingman affirms in his own words in a post submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' forum regarding his reluctance to challenge John Silvetti.

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 03:43:59 PM
Doing right is not always easy but ... it is always right.

Lifesong said it best ...

++++++++

Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
« Reply #360 on: March 14, 2009, 06:52:02 PM »


No, Kyle.  No.  You were not FORCED to sit back and hope for the best.  YOU CHOSE to sit back and hope for the best.  There are a number of things YOU could have done.  YOU could have contacted the FBI.  YOU could have contacted Tim Miller.  YOU could have contacted the family.   

INSTEAD you chose, that's right Kyle, YOU CHOSE to participate in the attempted PIMPING of the only evidence not absconded with by the Arubans, the ROV videos.

You, KYLE KINGMAN, need to stop acting like you were one of the good guys.  YOU CHOSE at the time to do exactly what ALE did, and that is WITHHOLD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.

And if you think talking to the Freebirds redeemed you, you're wrong.  Because when it came time to sh*t or get off the pot - you LIED, MADE THREATS OVER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and finally, RAN AWAY.  You CHOSE, Kyle Kingman, to do everything in your power to PROTECT THE PIMPING OF THE ROV VIDEOS.

Shame right on you.

JMO and only MO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4675.msg720012;topicseen#msg720012


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 19, 2009, 03:55:33 PM
thank you txmom and janet!

I must have somehow completely glossed over the mentions of a "confidentiality agreement" that was made.

Because now I'm madder than he!! at the implications of such!

Why, in the name of God, would they NEED a confidentiality agreement??????

Why, if nothing was found, would confidentiality have been even remotely necessary - they supposedly were NOT also doing anything oil related, so why the need for confidences?

Why, if nothing was found, would a confidentiality agreement have been insisted upon if not for certain parties trying to make $$$$$$ off of what was found - and were forcing others into silence so as not to pull the rug out from the one insisting on a confidentiality agreement?

 :smt096


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 04:42:29 PM
Quote

I've found this post by ldstlou so far, I know that this alone is not what I based my opinion on; I'm still looking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg602628#msg602628

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #290 on: December 29, 2008, 10:29:03 PM »


Quote
Two...Kyle had a confidentiality agreement with the ship he was on...the Persitence...which is standard, and one with the Freebirds which Kermit agreed to when she joined. Is his career affected by what Kermit did? Absolutely!!! Did he try and cover up the finding of Natalee? No!! And just like Beth and Dave and Jug walked away from Aruba feeling as though "something went wrong" so did Kyle. And it was because of that feeling he joined the Freebirds and openly discussed with other members his concerns.


Admission of Obstruction of Justice
Kyle to RED at SM:
I am the one who made those screen captures from live ROV footage.
You foolishly thought they were taken from the footage on Dateline!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2660.msg357379#msg357379


From Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660



MONEY MOTIVATION WAS THE KEY
Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753



IF NOTHING WAS IN THE TRAP/CAGE WHAT WAS THE CREW OF THE PERSISTENCE TRYING TO SELL DURING THE SEARCH eh?  AND HERE WE SEE ANOTHER WITNESS THAT KNOWS ABOUT THE BLUE FABRIC INSIDE THAT CAGE/TRAP!

SO THAT MAKES
DOLPH RICHARDSON
HAND MOS
KYLE KINGMAN
AND
PEER SHOUTEN
WHO KNOW ABOUT THE BLUE FABRIC INSIDE THE CAGE/TRAP!


From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 04:55:30 PM
IF NOTHING WAS INSIDE THE CAGE/TRAP

Jan. 7th picture Kyle said: "In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564718#msg564718

OH GOLLY GEE WILIKERS SAY IT AIN'T SO - ARUBA COVERED-UP THE EVIDENCE - LIKE TURNING BLOOD INTO CHOCLATE![/b
Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564707#msg564707

CONFIDENTIALITY DOES NOT MEAN OBSTRUCT JUSTICE IN A MAJOR CRIMINAL CASE
Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


HERE IS THE TRUTH

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564748;topicseen#msg564748


HERE IS THE DISINFORMATION TEAM

* She is in the Cemetary
* She is at Moko
* She is at Montanga
* She is in the pond
* Joran's tennis shoe is in the pond
* We need donations to fund a search

* CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #931 on: December 03, 2008, 04:19:56 AM »
<snipped>
Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.



NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO SUPPORTED, ENGAGED IN, ASSISTED, CAPSLOCKWIZARD AND THE WITNESS HAS QUESTIONED them AFTER THE WHOLE POND EXPOSE REVEALED NOTHING!

Now, why is that?

Doesn't Dave give a damned about thousands of dollars being wasted by someone tricking him?

Even Tim Miller would not go to Aruba for that search! Wonder why that is?

Oh and throw into that mix the other people giving them information!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 05:09:44 PM
Caps posted Feb 28, The snaker is there...where is the snaker is the remains

FEB 28th - CAPS posts at SM that he is going to go there at 9:00 The sneaker is there



CapsLockWizard POSTED:

Hi hotping,

I have been very busy with a lot of research in the Natalee case...Well the pond is the correct pond. 100% sure.
Old appartment near Kalpoes Father home in Seroe Patrishi where Scareface lived,

will meet with new found ALE that owns a bar...have info for caps. he is married to a Colombian..

On December 20 Caps signed up that scared monkeys
Which was the same day the persistence was doing its first ROV dive







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 05:17:09 PM
Kyle: I became a member at BNH on Jan 27th.
March 18, 2008 - Kyle joins freebirds


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 19, 2009, 05:28:20 PM
AMERICAN TRAITORS

TICK-TOCK-TICK-TOCK-TICK-TOCK-TICK-TOCK-TICK-TOCK

MUST SUCK WAITING FOR THAT KNOCK ON THE DOOR.....

::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 05:34:14 PM
CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT


KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO JUG TWITTY AND IDSTLOU

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO KERMIT

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »


Kyle sent me this today[/b]

Kermit,
 
You and the others agreed to a statement of confidentiality and nondisclosure at FB.  Before I posted any information, I posted a copyright notice at the very start which disallowed ANY and ALL of my posts, intellectual property, or pictures to leave the spot they were posted.  Everyone, including yourself, acknowledged this affirmatively. A lawyer said that ownership of that posted material cannot be transferred by a general claim of copyright such as a claim made on the front page of a website, or even by verbal consent. Written agreement, meaning a signed agreement, is required for the post to be owned by the site owner. Without a signed agreement, the poster owns the post. I did not give you permission, which I have stated many times when you were in violation. While the rest agreed, you violated this legal agreement repeatedly.  You have taken many of my posts, snipped what you wanted to put them into your context, and then shared them in a public forum.  The "public domain" notion only applies where someone has copyright ownership over the work in the first case and that ownership has lapsed. In that case, all posts can be freely reproduced by anyone, anywhere, without violating copyright law. However, this is clearly not the case.

I will state this with absolute clarity so there is no misunderstanding:
I have confirmed with the FBI on multiple instances that they have had possession of the ROV videos since very early on. I personally didn't send the ROV footage to them because another project lead had already at the first opportunity while we were still in Aruba. I sent all of the ROV screen shots directly to the FBI the day they were acquired.

I also got confirmation back in February by Tim Trahan who was in constant contact with Beth during the search that she indeed had all the information including the statements and has seen the ROV videos. I personally confirmed all of this with the senior FBI agent in charge of the investigation as well as given him my personal account of all that I witnessed and knew. They have this on record.  Birmingham is not the office in charge.
 
The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee.
 
I have neither publicly responded to your provocative antics, or retaliated with personal attacks in response to yours. I also have never threatened you as you publicly claimed.
 
I recently asked the senior FBI agent in charge how I should handle this situation which you have incited.   I thought his response was terrific. He replied: "Just sit back and keep quiet.  Kermit doesn't matter".

So this is exactly what I've done. I wrote this letter to you as a gesture of courtesy in hopes it would save you from further embarrassment from those who actually know something about this case.  I'm not referring to myself, rather the family and lead investigators who are out legitimately investigating this case in pursuit of justice right to the top.
 
Sincerely,
 Kyle

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 19, 2009, 05:35:21 PM
Kyle: I became a member at BNH on Jan 27th.
March 18, 2008 - Kyle joins freebirds

Confidentiality
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 06:19:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58361.php

Passengers may leave Ocean Dream

19 Jun, 2009, 14:14 (GMT -04:00)

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Passengers on the Ocean Dream waiting patiently until, after a recent health inspection, the ship and allowed to leave port.
ORANGE CITY - Most passengers on the cruise ship Ocean Dream, including three crew members of the Mexican flu have occurred if this morning ashore. Board with flu symptoms should stay on the ship. They stay at least seven days in quarantine. If these people actually infected with the show AH1N1 virus, the ship even longer chain. The four Arubans were the first cruise ship leaving on increasing demand from the authorities.

our reporters

The other passengers in groups of the ship. The four Arubans are under police supervision to home. The morning was not yet known whether the four Dutchmen had already gone home.

The cruise ship was last night around ten o'clock at Orange City. The Coast Guard was present for the ship to guide and monitor. Also naval vessels, police boats and the police helicopter patrolled the area. In the country police units were ready for any emergencies. The arrival of the ship attracted much attention. On beaches and in the vicinity of the port were interested toegestroomd who wanted to throw a first glance at the flu ship.

A medical team of Department of Health was last night around eleven o'clock on board to monitor the health situation on board was. Based on their findings, it was decided to ship to lakes and the morning in small groups of passengers to board. Around half past six this morning if the cruise ship dock. Access to the port area and the surrounding area were closed to traffic early this morning. The police had wegafzettingen placed at the entrance of West Street and the exit of the Werfstraat. The parking in the Paddock Cafe was closed by police.

Based on the time of departure of connecting flights for passengers, a schedule made for the tourists to board. A large group of the plane this afternoon should get to Spain. For five fifty-five noon leaving a unit of Air Pullmantur to Madrid. Around a quarter past ten this morning, the first other passengers reported that the ship could leave.

White suits
In the port area and the cruise terminal this morning were people in white protective clothing virus to foot caps and gloves that passengers escorted to the terminal. These are police officers and employees of Department of Health. In addition to virus protection clothing do they have the virus inhibitor was administered Tamifu. This applies to all workers, confirmed Bibi Arends Office of Disaster. Arends is part of the crisis team. Police officers and employees of the Coast Guard to run the next day overtime to guard the ship.


Stranded
Ocean Dream was originally leave again today for a cruise through the Caribbean. Wever Minister said yesterday that the ship at least until Tuesday in the port so far. Maduro Travel Travel agent expects the trip next week Friday scheduled by it. The company could not yet confirm. Passengers who cruise in the water did fall, the cruise at a later time to make, the travel agent. "They can also choose to have their money back." The passengers meanwhile arrived on the island, but the incident is not able to cruise, get the costs reimbursed. This is Juan Jose Sanchez, spokesman for Pullmantur confirmed this morning. "Everything is covered."
 

Little information
"Everyone on the ship is mad, because we are not well informed." This is one of the Aruban passengers, Miriam Tonk, around half past eight this morning by phone let me know. She was at that time on board and knew then when she was off the ship. "We were from early this morning to hear that we were allowed to leave the ship. Meanwhile, there is more than an hour passed and we still know nothing. "Because Tonk regularly in contact with the authorities, she was for many on-board source of information.

Pullmantur company, owner of the ship, said yesterday that passengers only be informed if anything new. According Tonk is not done and do some Spanish passengers complain. Today Pullmantur again responded that it is not in the hands of the Company to inform the passengers, but that this task of the authorities. The Minister is to inform passengers of the responsibility of the captain of the ship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
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Aruba

Visit Bijleveld and Albayrak

19 Jun, 2009, 13:51 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) and (BZK) and Nebahat Albayrak (Justice, PvdA) to next week a visit to the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. The visit is the sign of the political changes of the Kingdom and the semi-annual tripartite consultations Justice. The visit of the leaders start arriving Monday, June 22 in Aruba. Bijleveld Albayrak and enter talks with the governor of Aruba Fredis Refunjol and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP). State Secretary Albayrak speak further with the Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes MEP) and visits the prison KIA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 06:28:53 PM
Aruba

Military exercise with Venezuela completed

19 Jun, 2009, 13:47 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / WILLEM CITY - Units of the navy and coastguard have this week together with Venezuela practiced in the bilateral exercise VenHol and Coastguard exercise Open Eyes. Yesterday afternoon, the training completed for the coast of Curaçao. The exercise was to drive the ship Van Amstel, the Venezuelan frigate General Soublette, the cutters Jaguar and Panther, the Venezuelan patrol boats and Libertad Tripulacion, units of rescue organization Citro and a super-RHIB them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
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MEP and AVP groups ask emergency meeting on Ocean Dream

19 Jun, 2009, 13:56 (GMT -04:00)

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Employees of Department of Health and the police this morning wore white suits and foot caps to protect themselves against the Mexican flu. In the background of the affected staff cruise ship Ocean Dream.
ORANGE CITY - The group of ruling and opposition party MEP AVP have each sent a letter to the State President, requesting an urgent meeting to discuss the situation around the cruise ship Ocean Dream. According to the Group Otmar Oduber, Andy Lee and Alexander Tromp, acting on behalf of the ASF letter signed and sent a meeting within 24 hours required. In the letter to the Group that an outbreak of the H1N1 virus on the island a 'blow' would mean for tourism in Aruba.

  The ASF Group wants to know what the government does, or intends to make such outbreaks against them. The ASF Group invites the presence of the Ministers of Health and Tourism, representatives of Department of Health, Aruba Ports Authority, Aruba Tourism Authority, Aruba Airport Authority, Ahata and Horacio Oduber Hospital so they can explain to Parliament what measures be made to the public and tourism interests on the island secure.

Do not disturb
The MEP group has sent a letter to the State President by asking the government to the parliament about the developments around the passengers of the Ocean Dream. According to group Ady Thijsen heard in the democratic process of parliament as the government to clarify questions. "But we want the minister and shall not interfere in their work. We have every confidence that they work well, but it is a situation where the whole nation is concerned and where many risks associated. It is useful to such a meeting to questions. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 06:36:02 PM
Aruba

English press visit

19 Jun, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Journalists from English and Irish media have a visit to Aruba. They include working for the Daily Mirror that a circulation of 1.3 million newspapers and The Irish Times with a circulation of 119,000 newspapers. Journalists have been led by the tourism agency ATA. They got a tour on the island, went walking in the park Arikok and also had a salsa lesson.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 06:39:03 PM
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Aruba

Lago workers WWII to Aruba

19 Jun, 2009, 13:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - From June 20-27 are approximately 200 ex-employees of the Lake from the United States to Aruba for a reunion, which every 3 years on the island is kept. Some of them have been in Aruba during the Second World War. This group, known U156/U502 Rountable under the leadership of Don Gray, hold at every reunion, but also in the U.S., meetings. Also, the group is still actively engaged in research and documentation of what took place in Aruba in the period. To date, members of this group of four books published. There are two members of Aruban descent: Clyde Harms and Dufi Kock. This year, the meeting of the U156/U502 Rountable on June 23 in the Westin Aruba Resort. During this meeting will also cost Sweetnam Percy and Dick De Bruin a presentation on the recently salvaged by Water-screw propeller of the SS Oranjestad. It is also a half hour documentary about the ongoing salvage displayed. It is still planned for the near future to build a monument with the Water-screw. This would have to be on a cliff overlooking the lagoon of Boca Grandi.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 19, 2009, 06:42:17 PM
TM is so fired up she is Robo-postin news articles... ::MonkeyTongue:: Just kiddin TM........... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 07:33:22 PM
thank you txmom and janet!

I must have somehow completely glossed over the mentions of a "confidentiality agreement" that was made.

Because now I'm madder than he!! at the implications of such!

Why, in the name of God, would they NEED a confidentiality agreement??????

Why, if nothing was found, would confidentiality have been even remotely necessary - they supposedly were NOT also doing anything oil related, so why the need for confidences?

Why, if nothing was found, would a confidentiality agreement have been insisted upon if not for certain parties trying to make $$$$$$ off of what was found - and were forcing others into silence so as not to pull the rug out from the one insisting on a confidentiality agreement?

 :smt096

Unless the John Silvetti betrayal had been collaborated with the enemy in the planning stages of the Persistence undertaking ... it could be that the confidentiality agreement was meant to assure that nothing would be leaked as Louis Schaefer's intention was to do a documentary based of all the ROV footage.  The fact that the ROV footage revealed a trap that appeared to contain something Natalee Holloway case related was icing on the cake.

Thoughts?

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Louis DOES have legal rights to the footage regardless of Underwater Expeditions status. Louis personally signed the checks for the search.

Kyle Kingman:  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday." Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle Kingman:  She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2009, 07:40:23 PM
thank you txmom and janet!

I must have somehow completely glossed over the mentions of a "confidentiality agreement" that was made.

Because now I'm madder than he!! at the implications of such!

Why, in the name of God, would they NEED a confidentiality agreement??????

Why, if nothing was found, would confidentiality have been even remotely necessary - they supposedly were NOT also doing anything oil related, so why the need for confidences?

Why, if nothing was found, would a confidentiality agreement have been insisted upon if not for certain parties trying to make $$$$$$ off of what was found - and were forcing others into silence so as not to pull the rug out from the one insisting on a confidentiality agreement?

 :smt096

Unless the John Silvetti betrayal had been collaborated with the enemy in the planning stages of the Persistence undertaking ... it could be that the confidentiality agreement was meant to assure that nothing would be leaked as Louis Schaefer's intention was to do a documentary based of all the ROV footage.  The fact that the ROV footage revealed a trap that appeared to contain something Natalee Holloway case related was icing on the cake.

Thoughts?

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Louis DOES have legal rights to the footage regardless of Underwater Expeditions status. Louis personally signed the checks for the search.

Kyle Kingman:  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday." Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle Kingman:  She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
   Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kyle Kingman:  Differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop.  Tim Trahan has allied himself with me


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2009, 09:00:59 PM
TM is so fired up she is Robo-postin news articles... ::MonkeyTongue:: Just kiddin TM........... ::MonkeyDance::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 19, 2009, 10:34:50 PM
Thought I would add this article talking about Tim Trahan at this site:

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/category.asp?C=4382

SWLA Natives Search For Natalee Holloway
Posted: Dec 24, 2007 12:05 AM CST Updated: Jan 11, 2008 4:34 PM CST

Reported By: Lee Peck

Prosecutors in the Natalee Holloway case said they will reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." Searching for that evidence is a world renowned underwater search team, which includes two Southwest Louisiana natives. We spoke to one of them by satellite phone Sunday afternoon off the coast of Aruba.

"We're looking for a needle in a haystack, that's a big challenge in and of itself," said Tim Trahan. 

Lake Arthur native Tim Trahan is talking about his latest search. Trahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions around the world. Their latest assignment: the hunt for Natalee Holloway off the coast of Aruba.

"It's taken a lot of turns and twists and we finally got the boat off from New Iberia and got it down to Aruba and we started the operation here," said Trahan.

Leaving New Iberia November 26th the R/V Persistence arrived in Aruba December 15th. On board are several experts in the case, including Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch. Acting on a tip, their search for the Alabama teen has taken them to the west point of the island.

"Tim had really felt strongly that the body was put in a crab trap or some kind of metal container and dropped into the ocean," said Trahan. 

Since their arrival, they've been mapping the bottom of the ocean floor with special sonar and high-tech computers for points of interest that could be metal objects. Their scans have taken them from 60 to 950 feet below Aruba's waters.

"In searching for points of interest, we are making a grid, and when we get done with the whole grid we're going to utilize a remote controlled vehicle which will be going down to inspect each target of interest that we have through the whole grid," explained Trahan.

Sacrificing time away from family, the crew will work around the clock through Christmas and New Years in hopes of finding Natalee and bringing closure to her family... at no charge.

"Natalee's family were speechless for a little while. It was a lot of tears from both sides, you know it's hard to meet a family that's lost a child and a lot of times we don't know what to say, but the only thing we could say is we are going to go over there and do the best we can and try to bring their daughter home," said Trahan. "They are very appreciative they call every day and thank us, thank us. It just feels good to do something you feel right about."

Other companies donating their services include J.D. Silvetti, Seatronics, Offshore Innovative Solutions, Pro Log Incorporated, Wilkens Weather Technologies and Agiosat.

A crew from Dateline NBC is also on board documenting the entire operation. Trahan says they don't know how long they'll be out there. Click here to read a daily blog updating their search.



Note the companies who donated their services.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 01:24:26 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 20, 2009, 01:30:53 AM
Kermit's words earlier today were encouraging.....
I do hope something big (or even medium) is happening behind the scene....
I know we all have a lot of patience...demonstrated by the fact we are still here!
It has been my experience that those with patience, can also tangle it up when the time presents itself....
aruba......we will patiently wait for Justice for Natalee.....
ready to tangle.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 20, 2009, 01:35:21 AM
Hellooooo 7 guests...
Whats up?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 20, 2009, 01:37:33 AM
Hellooooo 7 guests...
Whats up?
5 guests?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 20, 2009, 01:38:23 AM
Hellooooo 7 guests...
Whats up?
5 guests?
Now 4 guests? must be my breath... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 20, 2009, 01:38:48 AM
Hellooooo 7 guests...
Whats up?
5 guests?
Now 4 guests? must be my breath... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused::
3 guests?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 20, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
From 7 guests to 3 mum guests.....
I get it.. ::MonkeyCool::
Good night good Monkeys..... ::MonkeyAngel::
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 02:09:43 AM


billb!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure your breath was just fine!  ::MonkeyWink::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 02:12:54 AM
From 7 guests to 3 mum guests.....
I get it.. ::MonkeyCool::
Good night good Monkeys..... ::MonkeyAngel::
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 20, 2009, 02:15:55 AM
Hellooooo 7 guests...
Whats up?
5 guests?
Now 4 guests? must be my breath... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night billb!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 20, 2009, 02:16:48 AM
Hello TM and 3 Guests!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 02:19:40 AM
Hello TM and 3 Guests!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Hotping!  Good to see you!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 20, 2009, 02:31:29 AM
Good to see You too TM! But its getting late and I need to get to bed....I'm only still up because We are watering the yard it is just to hot during the daylight hours to water so We do it at night.....I hope all is well with You....See Ya later!

Justice for Natalee!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 02:39:18 AM
Good to see You too TM! But its getting late and I need to get to bed....I'm only still up because We are watering the yard it is just to hot during the daylight hours to water so We do it at night.....I hope all is well with You....See Ya later!

Justice for Natalee!  ::MonkeyCool::

Everything's good ~ See ya later!

Good night Hotping! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 02:40:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on June 20, 2009, 06:26:40 AM
I am so greatful to be able to come here and catch up.  I am appauled at everything this family has been put through.  We all know that there are "people" out there with answers.  I wonder how these people would feel  if  their  daughter  were missing?  If Aruba was the last island left on earth, I would not step one foot on it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on June 20, 2009, 07:30:56 AM
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Quote from: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.





I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on June 20, 2009, 07:35:47 AM
ooops. link for above post  ::MonkeyWink::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745886#msg745886



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 09:23:58 AM
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Debbie
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 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #779 on: March 30, 2009, 08:53:53 PM »  
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Quote from: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.





I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.


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Hi Sharon;
I remember that incident well.
She certainly doesn't mind sitting in our rafters and taking any post she chooses back to one of her favorite sites.
And it was just nasty to correct Klaas' spelling.  A pretty sad commentary on Debbie and her motivation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2009, 10:09:54 AM
And this was my response to her at the time (as you can tell I didn't ban her, lol )


We do not remove membership or posts.  If you don't want to post here don't.  If you want me to ban you so that you can't post here I'm happy to ban you and SAM and Poochy and anyone else. 

I don't tell you what to post at BFN and you don't tell us what to discuss here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 11:00:57 AM
Tell us what you think, Debbie. ::MonkeyDevil::

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.   :wink:



REMINDER


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2009, 12:36:55 PM
@Debbie/BFN and any other BFN members that can still read here.  I suggest you read all the pages in this thread below and note the posters contributing:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
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Quote from: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.


<snipped>



Hi Sharon

It has been a while.  I hope all is well.


Sharon ... In the fall of 2006 ... just prior to the mass exodus from BFN ... assuming that Robin and Dave Holloway were being deceiptively used by the darkside and need to be warned ... they BOTH were made aware of posts which Mark Purcell had submitted to various internet forums ... posts which implied an Aruban agenda ... posts that despicably undermine Natalee and her family while ... at the same time ... lifting Julia Renfro onto a pedestal as well as defending the main suspects.  The warning was all for naught.

Why?  Please think carefully.

I agree with Klaas' contention.  "Cohorting with the enemy" has deterred justice for Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++

ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Blogs for Natalee


Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


Email

December, 2007

Robin Holloway:  Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...
December 7, 2007
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


JOHN SILVETTI

Blogs For Natalee

April, 2008

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...  

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


MARK PURCELL

August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16


I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191


Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag banshee of a mother.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:09 pm
We will be partying tonight at Kokoa Bar at the De Palm pier it will be there last night at that location so we are going to be giving them a big send off for there last night.  If Natalee shows up for the party I'll be sure to find the closest internet connection and let everyone know.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
Doesn’t surprise me any that Debbie would do that. The title of this thread is “Debbie’s Integrity” should read “Debbie’s total lack of Morals & Integrity”. She is the head cheerleader for all things Twitty / Holloway. Someone mentioned to me that Debbie was just being “used” by the family to move the family agenda forward, I called Bullshit, Debbie knows exactly what she is doing. This is a blatant attempt to smear Julia because the Twitholes fear her knowledge of what they did here in Aruba. Just like all others who where close to the family in the beginning, they now have put in play a planned focused effort to discredit Julia. This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag banshee of a mother.

Holladay PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:14 pm
I see we have a couple of f*** nuggets trying to make Julia look like the bad guy (gal) again.  Don’t you Kool-Aid drinking fucktards (damn I love that word) understand yet, I and I assume many on this board will believe what Julia has to say over anything Beth ever puts forward from her journal of lies and fabrication.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.  Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.


More quotes at:
Topic: MIP6 and REALITY - are they part of the disinformation team?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 20, 2009, 12:49:05 PM
@Debbie/BFN and any other BFN members that can still read here.  I suggest you read all the pages in this thread below and note the posters contributing:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0



How many of those post at BFN?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2009, 01:08:19 PM
@Debbie/BFN and any other BFN members that can still read here.  I suggest you read all the pages in this thread below and note the posters contributing:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0



How many of those post at BFN?

Quite a lot of them post at BFN now.  If you look at page 3 of the thread you'll see their frustration with BFN and how Debbie "coddles" up to Reality.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 01:30:52 PM
@Debbie/BFN and any other BFN members that can still read here.  I suggest you read all the pages in this thread below and note the posters contributing:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0



How many of those post at BFN?

Quite a lot of them post at BFN now.  If you look at page 3 of the thread you'll see their frustration with BFN and how Debbie "coddles" up to Reality.

Klaas

It is like a twilight zone.  Back in the fall of 2007 ... our prodical Monkeys could not comprehend Debbie allowing the enemy membership at BFN ... could not comprehend Robin and Dave's association with the enemy.  Now many of these same prodical Monkeys have ... for the most part ... abandoned GM and C&G to take up residence at BFN.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 01:51:36 PM
Is Reality the bartender, Clive from Carlos and Charlie's. who had to flee the island?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 02:38:48 PM
The connection of Dave and Robin Holloway with Mark Purcell in the Fall of 2006 does not make sense.  Their respective positions in regards to Joran van der Sloot's involvement in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 do not reflect.

Considering this almost three year relationship with the enemy has not furthered the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway ... could there be an underlying reason for its existence?

Think about it.

Janet

++++++++

ROBIN HOLLOWAY

'Scarborough Country' - March 24, 2006

ROBIN HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPMOTHER: If she was drugged, it was because of the last drink Joran gave her, either compliments of Joran or the bartender.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11994147/


FOX News - August 26, 2005

The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with Joran van der Sloot (search), 18, who authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed.

"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss.  We've known all along they all had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166995,00.html


CBS News - June 17, 2005

"I don't think they're going to find Natalee until these [first] three guys talk," said Robin Holloway.  "They know they were the last ones to see her. And I firmly believe in my heart they know where Natalee is and just please tell us.  They hold the answer."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/earlyshow/main702639.shtml


MSNBC - MORNING JOE - March 24, 2006

ROBIN HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S STEPMOTHER: I’m confused. When Dave got on the island, from day one, Dennis Jacobs said, “Oh, she ran off with somebody to go find a beer. She’ll show up.”  And then a couple of months later, Dompig said, “They’re all three guilty as hell. We’re going to prove it. We’re going to close this case.”

And now, blaming the victim, yes.  It sounds like they’re trying to say, “Well, she had too much booze, too much drug use, and, as a result, she caused her own death.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11994147/


MARK PURCELL

Refugees Unlimited


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:09 pm
We will be partying tonight at Kokoa Bar at the De Palm pier it will be there last night at that location so we are going to be giving them a big send off for there last night.  If Natalee shows up for the party I'll be sure to find the closest internet connection and let everyone know.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 02:47:47 PM
CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT


KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO JUG TWITTY AND IDSTLOU

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO KERMIT

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »


Kyle sent me this today[/b]

Kermit,
 
You and the others agreed to a statement of confidentiality and nondisclosure at FB.  Before I posted any information, I posted a copyright notice at the very start which disallowed ANY and ALL of my posts, intellectual property, or pictures to leave the spot they were posted.  Everyone, including yourself, acknowledged this affirmatively. A lawyer said that ownership of that posted material cannot be transferred by a general claim of copyright such as a claim made on the front page of a website, or even by verbal consent. Written agreement, meaning a signed agreement, is required for the post to be owned by the site owner. Without a signed agreement, the poster owns the post. I did not give you permission, which I have stated many times when you were in violation. While the rest agreed, you violated this legal agreement repeatedly.  You have taken many of my posts, snipped what you wanted to put them into your context, and then shared them in a public forum.  The "public domain" notion only applies where someone has copyright ownership over the work in the first case and that ownership has lapsed. In that case, all posts can be freely reproduced by anyone, anywhere, without violating copyright law. However, this is clearly not the case.

I will state this with absolute clarity so there is no misunderstanding:
I have confirmed with the FBI on multiple instances that they have had possession of the ROV videos since very early on. I personally didn't send the ROV footage to them because another project lead had already at the first opportunity while we were still in Aruba. I sent all of the ROV screen shots directly to the FBI the day they were acquired.

I also got confirmation back in February by Tim Trahan who was in constant contact with Beth during the search that she indeed had all the information including the statements and has seen the ROV videos. I personally confirmed all of this with the senior FBI agent in charge of the investigation as well as given him my personal account of all that I witnessed and knew. They have this on record.  Birmingham is not the office in charge.
 
The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee.
I have neither publicly responded to your provocative antics, or retaliated with personal attacks in response to yours. I also have never threatened you as you publicly claimed.
 
I recently asked the senior FBI agent in charge how I should handle this situation which you have incited.   I thought his response was terrific. He replied: "Just sit back and keep quiet.  Kermit doesn't matter".

So this is exactly what I've done. I wrote this letter to you as a gesture of courtesy in hopes it would save you from further embarrassment from those who actually know something about this case.  I'm not referring to myself, rather the family and lead investigators who are out legitimately investigating this case in pursuit of justice right to the top.
 
Sincerely,
 Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


I believe the highlighted portions of Kyle Kingman's above emails ... tells the entire story to why crew members on board the Persistence have remained silence in regards to wrongdoing that further the Aruban coverup agenda.   From a financial perspective ... each crew member is beholding to John Silvetti.

Kyle Kingman affirms in his own words in a post submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' forum regarding his reluctance to challenge John Silvetti.

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.




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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
The upholding of Julia Renfro by Robin Holloway does not make sense.  Their respective positions regarding the involvement of Joran van der Sloot does not make sense.

Why does Robin tolerate the despicable undermining of Natalee Holloway's mother?

Janet

++++++

ROBIN HOLLOWAY

December, 2007


Robin Holloway:  Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


FOX News - August 26, 2005

The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with Joran van der Sloot (search), 18, who authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed.

"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss.  We've known all along they all had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166995,00.html


JULIA RENFRO

Seattle Times - June 9, 2007


Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 02:53:09 PM
Off for the afternoon ...

Janet
11:52 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 02:55:06 PM
@Debbie/BFN and any other BFN members that can still read here.  I suggest you read all the pages in this thread below and note the posters contributing:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0



How many of those post at BFN?

Quite a lot of them post at BFN now.  If you look at page 3 of the thread you'll see their frustration with BFN and how Debbie "coddles" up to Reality.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/FaithMS/Robin.jpg)

Well, Well, Well. I had not seen this post before. NOW things make sense as to what is really going on.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 03:32:07 PM
REMINDER

CORRUPT ARUBAN INVESTIGATION?  YOU BE THE JUDGE!

According to Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty ... it was Dennis Jacobs who inquired within days of Natalee's disappearance if she was prone to seizures within days.  Jacob's questioning reflected the words of Joran van der Sloot in the Devries/vander Eem video/recording of January, 2008.

Think about it.  Gerold Dompig also revealed in the 48 Hours interview in March, 2006 that investigators believed that Natalee Holloway died of an overdose.  The Aruba "powers that be" within the investigation must have had a foundation that led them to this conclusion.

Janet

+++++++

THE SEIZURES

On the Record w/ Greta - February 7, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE - February 7, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALIE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ... And, when he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


NANCY GRACE - February 15, 2008

HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, my heart goes out to you and your family. I`m so sorry for this tragedy. You mentioned a little earlier that you think this has been a cover-up and a conspiracy from the very beginning. Can you just let our viewers know a couple of examples that makes you feel that way?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

And then, just like all the stuff like when all the people that were there, all the people that came with me to help, they never even questioned us for two weeks. If they wanted an answer, they could have got a lot of the answers about the deal about the 4:00 in the morning when he said he picked him up at McDonald`s. There were a lot of those answers there that they could have had if they wanted them. And just I think they got in it early to, you know, cover up, and they just had to cover their tracks all the way through.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


Dateline NBC - February 22, 2008

Beth Holloway: The facts are within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, a lead detective asked me if she had a history of epilepsy or seizures. Two and a half years later, the main suspect himself, admits that Natalee -- he felt as if she suffered an epilepsy or seizure. And he even indicates how she's shaking. So, if we look at just that one-- just that one piece, that's one thread out of a lot. Then, I have to say yes, there definitely was some collusion and corruption going on in the early days of Natalee's disappearance. Absolutely.
 
However, according to the prosecutor's office it's standard procedure to ask if a missing person might have a seizure disorder.

Police and prosecution officials declined on-camera interviews, but have consistently denied that there was any corruption, collusion or mishandling of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/6/


48 HOURS MYSTERY - March 25, 2006

Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page5.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 03:34:09 PM

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/FaithMS/Robin.jpg)

Well, Well, Well. I had not seen this post before. NOW things make sense as to what is really going on.



Please share.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 03:37:16 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 03:57:13 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
OMG, I remember those.  You talking at BNH? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 04:24:30 PM
OMG, I remember those.  You talking at BNH? 

Yes ma'am!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on June 20, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
@Debbie/BFN and any other BFN members that can still read here.  I suggest you read all the pages in this thread below and note the posters contributing:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0



How many of those post at BFN?

Quite a lot of them post at BFN now.  If you look at page 3 of the thread you'll see their frustration with BFN and how Debbie "coddles" up to Reality.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/FaithMS/Robin.jpg)

Well, Well, Well. I had not seen this post before. NOW things make sense as to what is really going on.




HI all  ::MonkeyCool::


Is this Robin Holloway



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 20, 2009, 05:10:52 PM
Keepthefaith, Icehawk, Lifesong, klaasend, hotping, bastibro, San and 4 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 20, 2009, 05:20:20 PM
Hi Lifesong.....Long time NO See!

Good To See You! I hope All is Well with You!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 05:27:57 PM
Hi, Icehawk. ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, that is Robin Holloway.

Good to see Lifesong in the rafters. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 06:15:45 PM
Hi, Icehawk. ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, that is Robin Holloway.

Good to see Lifesong in the rafters. ::MonkeyDance::

You have been missed Lifesong!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 06:17:07 PM
texasmom and 8 Guests are viewing this topic.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Going out for a breath mint, bbl.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 20, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
Sorry TM and Everyone I had company drop in and forgot to logoff.....  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Gotta go I'll be Back Later!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Icehawk on June 20, 2009, 06:38:17 PM
Hi, Icehawk. ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, that is Robin Holloway.

Good to see Lifesong in the rafters. ::MonkeyDance



Thanks Magnolia ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 06:56:59 PM
Magnolia and 16 Guests are viewing this topic.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 20, 2009, 07:03:28 PM
Magnolia and 16 Guests are viewing this topic.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Maybe BillB's breath is still lingering...Oh Bill..Ya know i'm kiddin! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: can on June 20, 2009, 07:09:09 PM
Kermit's words earlier today were encouraging.....
I do hope something big (or even medium) is happening behind the scene....
I know we all have a lot of patience...demonstrated by the fact we are still here!
It has been my experience that those with patience, can also tangle it up when the time presents itself....
aruba......we will patiently wait for Justice for Natalee.....
ready to tangle.... ::MonkeyCool::
It would be great if something was happening behind the scenes. 
We used to hear news from Greta, or JQK, or Jossy or......something... to keep hope alive.  The silence is deafening!!!
God bless Natalee and her parents and family.  I don't know how they can stand it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 07:20:45 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

ABOUT ROBIN HOLLOWAY - This is not me they told. But I thought it would give some insight into what Robin Holloway has been told by her friend Debbie.


Robin truly believes that this Reality on BFN is NOT the same Reality, Carter, or Alvin on the refugees. She does know who MIP6 is and she tells me he has been very helpful to her & Dave. I have said this before, but I have never seen a negative post about the family from Ramm. I know you sent me all the posts from everyone and I just didn't see anything negative from Ramm. She does NOT see any of them as being against the family, period.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 07:21:56 PM
Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:59 PM
From: {edited}
To: "Kermit"


Jan, Suzie, Debbie and Robin are seeking  your identify LOL
 
I know you know this already but Jan said it was a must that
she know who you are.  She says the "family" said it was a must!
I fell out laughing.
 
LMAO I said good luck cause ya wont find out who HE is.
 
[b]BB even asked me who you were I said I dunno some guy.[/b]



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 20, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
Keepthefaith, Kermit, Lifesong and 8 Guests ......

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 20, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
Keepthefaith, Kermit, Lifesong and 8 Guests ......

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

& MuffyBee  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 07:31:32 PM
Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:59 PM
From: {edited}
To: "Kermit"


Jan, Suzie, Debbie and Robin are seeking  your identify LOL
 
I know you know this already but Jan said it was a must that
she know who you are.  She says the "family" said it was a must!
I fell out laughing.
 
LMAO I said good luck cause ya wont find out who HE is.
 
[b]BB even asked me who you were I said I dunno some guy.[/b]


I just want to say, while Debbie and Robin and Jan and Suzie were all doing this to me rather then come to me and ask me if they wanted to know so badly. I was trying to help find Natalee for them.
This is ONLY some of the information that I have known about.



DEBBIE BECAME INVOLVED IN SEARCHING OUT MY IDENTITY but told THIS PERSON
IT IS WRONG TO DO THAT.


From: Debbie
To: XXX
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 8:52 PM

Why all the time talking about everyone else, why the investigating of bloggers?  You do not have the right to invade anyones privacy.  

{edited}

Maybe he [MARK PURCELL] did bash Beth in the past on other boards, but that does not mean that he has had a change, maybe he has.












Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 20, 2009, 07:31:51 PM
Keepthefaith, Kermit, Lifesong and 8 Guests ......

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

& MuffyBee  ::MonkeyDance::

& Tamikosmom..This is a set-up..Ya'll are trying to make KTF go crazy..Whattta party!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 07:40:18 PM
Reality
Newbie
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View Profile Personal Message (Offline)
Re: Robin Holloway: Natalee's Step Angel!
« Reply #20 on: Today at 03:30:30 PM »
Reply with quote
Most of you know that I joke and kid around on the board. What few of you do know is that I have personally had the pleasure of getting to know Robin Holloway. What I have learned about this wonderful LADY is that she has a caring and kind heart. In our many phone conversations she has never failed to talk about Natalee, often sharing small personal things that she knows and loves about her. Through Robin, I have come to know Natalee, and that is a wonderful gift that I have been allowed.
Her admiration and love for Dave comes through in the tone of her voice when she mentions his name and how tirelessly he has searched for his lovely daughter, never giving up.
Robin has a great sense of humour and she also cares deeply about BFN and Debbie, of whom she speaks of with great love and respect as well as the members of this forum who have been an inspiration to her and her family in this time of terrible loss and tragedy.
« Last Edit: Today at 03:35:28 PM by Reality »
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4686.15


Debbie ..........>Robin Holloway ...............>Reality .................>Mark Purcell .................>
Kawish......>Capslockwizard...............>Lorenzo Webb..............>Geerman......................>

see how it works folks.

And Debbie wants people to investigate me!
And Mark Purcell threatens to set fire to Klassend's home and mine.

et tu brutus!



....................>John Silvetti...................>



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 07:41:39 PM
BLOGS FOR NATALEE

ROBIN HOLLOWAY


Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM


Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality  for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


REALITY

Reality:[/b]  But the vast majority of the Refugees are just nice people wanting the TRUTH of what happened to Natalee.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4454.30


Reality:  How is the conclusion arrived at that Joran was wild?  From what I have read, seen and heard, this young fellow seems pretty normal, nothing wilder than the MB Kids that were on Aruba.  In fact, a little pussy-cat when compared to kids that age that I have seen and don't even begin to tell me that does not apply to kids from the US.  One has to take much of the slandering of this kid with a pinch of salt, these are enuendos put forth by the Right Wing US Media, much the same as was applied to the alledged victim of Duke.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4006.msg121427


Reality:  From what I have been reading over the past 15 months, there is absolutely no evidence of foul play
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4670.msg158480#msg158480


Reality:  Those MB Brats, I wonder if they have started talking yet, possibly in the last year, whilst in the real world and away from the bosoms of their Mama's ?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4226.msg148163#msg148163


Reality:  Yes it is very strange that a Senator had to basically, URGE them to co-operate.  That doesn't make any sense, don't you think ?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4454.30


Reality:  I recall seeing some newspaper article where it said that Joran hung out with the brats and got into a "pushing scuffle, nothing dramatic.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5149.msg171044#msg171044


Reality:  In my tried and tested opinion the only achievment the Boycott can claim is that of offending innocent Aruban People and hampering the investigation.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?action=search2


Reality:  Dear Curves, I am truly saddened that you have allowed your fine organization to be swayed to a very small minority of hate mongers & xenophobes who for the most part have never even set foot in Aruba let alone even heard of Aruba prior to May 31st, 2005.  You’re pulling of the Aruba sweepstakes speaks volumes to a company being swayed by lies & fabrications.  As an American citizen living in Aruba for many years now let me give you a perspective that none of the “protest” emails can even come close to.  Aruba is by far the safest island destination in the Caribbean.  Aruba’s judicial system is based on Dutch law, world renowned as a fair and balanced system.  Aruba’s people are highly educated individuals where most here speak at least 3 to 5 languages.  Aruba has had ONE missing person in the last year, and that person may not even be a victim of a crime.  You have done your valued customers a disservice by pulling your Aruba sweepstakes by depriving them the opportunity to truly experience what an island paradise really is.  If you would like more information about the real Aruba please email at the following and I will be more than happy to set the record straight with facts not the fiction you have based your decision on to pull your Aruba Sweepstakes.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=2854.150


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 07:44:38 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 07:47:47 PM
ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Blogs for Natalee

Robin Holloway:
  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM


PETER VAN DER VLIET AKA RAMMSTEIN

Various Natalee Forums

Peter van der Vliet:
  I have reservations with some of the things Beth Twitty claims, she constantly says she has evidence but never produces it, she claims to have tapes (or at least Skeeter has) but so far they have not produced them to the legal authorities, sources say those tapes were made way before Joran was released (even before the re-arrest of the Kalpoes) and then one wonders why it took so long to refer to these tapes, claims Beth and Jug make on the sensationalistic news-shows without any proof.

But my biggest disbelieve is the story they are telling about the first night, she and her husband Jug claim that Joran took Jug to the side that first night and told him all about what he and Natalee had done the night before, even about the sex etc. Now I may have some faith in some of her claims but this one is totally unbelievable in my eyes. Why would Joran take the father (stepfather but who cares) to the side and confess things he didn't even confess too in hours of intense questioning by gangs of police officers in 12 or 13 hour sessions of questioning?? I am sorry but what Beth, Jug and their friends are claiming was said during that first night, I don't put much stock in their stories/declarations.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/oct/article161.html

Peter van der Vliet:  I normally give people the benefit of the doubt but my willingness to give Beth Twitty that benefit is quickly running out, and it's purely due to her and her entourages behavior who are according to me are becoming a hindrance to the case and are no longer part of the solution.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/oct/article161.html

Rammstein:  He only briefly looked at some sites, downloading a few pictures. Maybe he was just looking for pictures. That is what people do who go to Google images you know (at least that is what I do when looking for pictures ) because if PvdS had been looking for articles/information he would have used google.com proper and given a bit more specific search-queries IMHO like "alcohol XTC" "or "alcohol drugs" etc.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg145333#msg145333

Rammstein:   This has nothing to do with believe but with the facts. Fact is that Paul barely had the pages open long enough to read them. And we don't even know what kind of law-firm he was looking at.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg144988#msg144988

Rammstein: His son, yes, he lied like it was going out of fashion but he cannot help it if his son lies to the police.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg143724#msg143724

Rammstein:  IMHO there have been no improper judicial decisions. All the decisions were made in accordance with law and jurisprudence. The judge may only use as evidence the materials that are presented during trial. If the DA doesn't do what it is supposed to do and present "legal and convincing" evidence then no judge will rule for the prosecution.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg141447#msg141447

Rammstein:  In other words, a man in a dark uniform was described, not a dark-skinned man. Why the police then arrested 2 dark skinned guards was probably because of their "detective work" and not because the K2 brothers had fingered black coloured men.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4356.msg139097#msg139097

Rammstein:   If Natalee had never been in the main house and only possibly have been in the appartement, what reasoning did the police have to search the dwelling where Natalee had never set foot in?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4436.msg138402#msg138402

Rammstein:  Yes, he got permission to play poker, a poker tournament (free poker tournament). He wasn't allowed (from what I have heard) to gamble with real money, just poker in the free tournaments.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg147338#msg147338

Rammstein:  Why pick up a person that most likely was already at home at that time. Maybe Valentijn Even heard his brother come in at 3.25am (or thereabouts). Anyway, if Joran didn't call the house (and that is not likely because in none of the statements so far he has been asked about him calling his own house that night) then it is not very likely that his dad had a premination to go pick up his son at McD's that night. What you don't know you cannot do.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4518.msg146207#msg146207

Rammstein:  That was denied by Paul (him ever having said that) and again, Joran was already home at that moment in time. How can he go and pick up a son that is safely sitting at home?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg143729#msg143729

Peter van der Vliet:  That is why I think it is grossly unfair for Natalee's mother to ask people no longer to visit any dutch territory, the governments of the Netherlands Antilles, the government of the Netherlands and the ruling body of the Kingdom of the Netherlands have no say in internal matters of Aruba.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/sept/article476.html

Peter van der Vliet:  If this Twitty person has a problem about how our kingdom is run she can get the hell out of it. People like that we can do without.
 http://gigablast.com/get?d=175018051751


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 07:54:21 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.

 


I think that the stuff Mark Purcell posted on open forums is disgusting.
 It says plenty about the type of person he is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 20, 2009, 07:57:13 PM
Natalee Holloway on 25 most shocking crimes right now on the westcoast!Comcast
E entertainment.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 07:58:08 PM
REMINDER

ROBIN HOLLOWAY - REALITY - MIP6 - RAMM

Blogs for Natalee


Robin Holloway:   I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also. I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank ]Reality  for putting Dave  and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 08:00:46 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.

 


I think that the stuff Mark Purcell posted on open forums is disgusting.
 It says plenty about the type of person he is.

What does it say about Robin and Dave Holloway.  Considering Mark Purcell has done nothing to further justice for Natalee Holloway in the almost three years relationship with Dave and Robin ... what could be the underlying reason/s behind the friendship?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on June 20, 2009, 08:00:53 PM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case
Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money   and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.


What does mending relationships with ALE have to do with finding Natalee?  Would they actually go back to search the remaining targets... and then... what... call in the Arubans to retrieve whatever they find again?

And screw Defendant Schaefer and his dirty money!  Wth, Tim?! 

This just makes no sense at all. 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 08:01:32 PM
REMINDER

ROBIN HOLLOWAY - REALITY - MIP6 - RAMM

Blogs for Natalee


Robin Holloway:   I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also. I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank ]Reality  for putting Dave  and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


Robin picks three of the most offensive posters to "thank".  What's she thinking?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 08:03:20 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.


I guess I was spared.  The only PM I received from Reality ... he refers to me as JaNUT.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 08:04:45 PM
Mark Purcell pointing fingers at MB kids


I currently live in Aruba. And most of us here have wondered the something, when are they going to investigate close to home in MB. I am not sure after all Aruba has invested in the JM inspired wild goose chases if we can afford to spend any more time and $$$$ on sending an investigator to MB.
I think it would be a waste of time anyway, the MB clan has already had over 90 days to do there evidence cleansing and 90 days to get all of there stories straight.
Wait, where is Beth’s Kool-Aid gangs outrage in the ineptness of LE for allowing this long of a time for the MB team to dispose of their incriminating evidence.

09-29-2005, 03:31 PM
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Mark Purcell says All Aruba septic tank's are new. No old ST's there.

Hate to disappoint anyone but this so-called well is a septic tank, we all have them except for the hotels and some parts of downtown. The only opening is big enough to get a 4” hose into so the waste can be pumped out.
09-30-2005, 04:01 PM
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Mark Purcell lives 1/2 mile from VDS's home.

The VDS home is located approx. ½ mile from my home. It is in my estimate approx 10 years old. It is not one of the old cunucu style / type homes that has a cistern, they get their water from the same source that I do, the Alto Vista water tank.
No outhouses that I have ever seen, except for the port-a-potty’s at construction sites.
My first home when I moved here was approx. 40 years old, same type of septic tank I have in my new, one year old home, with a 4 inch opening, no manholes to climb down into it, no way to fit anything larger than 4 inch into.

No oil wells here, this place is solid “clip”, granite rock.

Our water plant is the second largest desalination plant in the world, and yes the water is the best in the world.

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Mark Purcell places blame on MB kids & Natalee

You know if we had full disclosure from the MB camp with ALL of the pictures made available from ALL the MB groups cameras I bet ya dollars to donuts that we would have a few pictures of miss NH up on the bar having her tummy tickled by Joran slurping up that Jell-O shot.
Along with plenty of pictures of the drunken state of most if not all the attendees during their 5 fun filled days.
Of course this will never happen, those pictures have been destroyed long ago back in MB Alabama.

09-28-2005, 09:24 AM
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Mark Purcell chooses to bash the family once again. Very early on. This post was made Sept 05. Why does he care if they were compensated?

I know personally of one instance where one of the Alabama Gang went to a restaurant and asked for them to “sponsor” dinner for 8, for part of the “search team” the Twitty family and hangers on.
All of the other incidents of free meals or free hotel rooms I do not have first hand knowledge. However I have been told by many very very reliable sources at multiply locations that yes they have received “sponsored” meals and hotels rooms. I would guess not all meals, but certainly a large number of freebies.
If Beth comes storming back into Aruba after her plea for people to consider not visiting Aruba or any other Dutch territory, she says this is not calling for a boycott, I don’t think she or her new posse will find the open arms of freebies awaiting her this time.
When she was staying at the Holiday Inn that in my opinion was not the lap of luxury, however when she moved the Wyndom Hotel she had a very nice suite, I think the pictures where in People magazine, but not sure.
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Mark Purcell on the forums early on bashing Natalee & Natalee's family.


I have been posting over at the Kool-Aid campsite for about month now; yesterday I finally got them to call me a “troll”.
Anything that does not follow the company line I have been posting. I am overdue to be banned.
I had this Ringo character spinning after I went to the so-called Lions Den; I had been to this bar before and posted up what I found, nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

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Mark Purcell wants Beth questioned by ALE. Why?

Lets see putting BHT on a teleconference for a formal interview into the investigation of her missing daughter OK that works.
I think not.
I for one would like to see BHT return to Aruba and have ALE pick her up and have her brought in for a little 24 hour discussion about all of her allegations of false/tampered statements, corruption/cover up in ALE & the government, a little of, so Beth now tell use again exactly how you came into possession of statements given by a suspect in this investigation. Since we have never had the pleasure of any media talking head asking her the tough questions and follow up when she dose not answer a question I think this should take place during a little one on one with the investigators in ALE.

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Mark Purcell once again points at MB.

I have never seen any security cameras at MooMba beach, Marriott has one that I know of on the roof of one of the towers that I have seen but don’t know what it is focused on, it is inside one of those protective housings. Holiday Inn I have only seen cameras inside the building.
I had not considered the security guard theory finding her as she walked alone, I had always thought that it was a person or persons who was from the MB group, the closer to “home” theory.



Mark Purcell takes up for his good friend Julia Renfro.

The rife between Beth & Julia has nothing to do with economics, find a copy of the VF article, the complete article, and you can read for yourself WHY the relationship soured
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=1420.msg31144#msg31144

Mark Purcell defends his good friend Julia.

Julie has always been and continues to be a good editor in my book. No personal agenda that I see coming from her paper.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=638.msg6137#msg6137



Mark Purcell attacks the media.

Quote from: MIP6 on March 06, 2006, 10:00:28 AM
It is very comical at times to read some peoples opinions “after” one that has been put upon pedestal somehow slips down a notch.
Greta was idolized on this forum by many posters here while she allowed Beth her almost nightly forum, now Greta has done the unthinkable, she has had an opposing opinion aired on her show, how dare she.

Folks get a grip.

It is all about the ratings, the second Joran starts to cool off it will be the Kalpoes, than back to Beth, than back to Dave than back to Joran until either Natalee is found / the case is solved or the ratings no longer add up.




Mark Purcell has buddied up with Robin. Bash the supporters & Beth.


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Re: Natalee Holloway, REMEMBER?
Reply #15 on: August 23, 2006, 03:36:41 PM »
Reply with quote
I finally had some time to read all the hatred that has been spewed over the last few days and I am sick.
But it also tells me something that I have suspected for a long time.

The Hate in Natalee’s name sites – Boycott – Meri, Arubadirtypolice & the dutchrapist sites are all spawns of the hate for revenge group. Frank(Deetch), Michele, Meri, Rob, Kermit, Suzie, workerbee, Writer, EasyWriter and a bunch of others.
My take is that for the most part these people are all thinking that by doing what they are doing Beth is behind them. NOT the Holloway family, Beth.

Than you have the middle of the road sites, BFN being the top of the heap that may have contact, in put from the Twitty family, it is really more supportive of the Holloway family, Dave & Robin.

This is not by any means a dig at anyone person, however, this was all caused long ago when Beth & Joe started there revenge game.

I am guilty of posting nastiness at some points over the last 15 months however I have never gone so far as to threaten some one and there family’s, hack peoples computers, create blogs of fiction that do nothing but create an Us versus them mentality in the weak minded.

How sad it must be to have Robin or Dave come on one of these sites and read all of the hatred created in the name of Natalee by the simple minded people with little mans complex.

These are the same people who over the last 2 weeks have caused more hits on my name at one site than I have had in total over the last 10 years!!!!!!!

A sickness has been breed in the name of Natalee and the only cure is to not allow the cancers these people are spreading to infect others. Kill them with kindness, ban them and or ignore them.

I think Deetch has shot them all in the foot along with Meri in this latest episode of hatred but I also know that this is just the tip of the ice burg.
These people are SICK and need to be stopped, they in no way support the family by being hateful, they only create more division among the supporters and they will continue to do so as long as they are thought to be supported by the family.
You saw what they did to Robin; the only thing that will stop them is when ALL of the family comes out against them.

You also have the fragile little ego’s getting hurt because there name s where not mentioned by Robin, please if they are here for recognition they have picked the wrong place to look for it, this is about Natalee not you or me.

I will continue to do everything I can to support who I believe needs supporting and do what I can to help from this end.

As an aside.
I am currently working to verify some information I received Monday and if it pans out I will let Robin know this information.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4636.15



Mark Purcell bashes Natalee's mother, Beth. What is his agenda?

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That would be your opinion and now here is mine as to why Beth thought the foremost important thing to do when she arrived in Aruba was to establish Natalees character as one of a virginal, non-drinking, perfect teen.
Because that’s what sells!!!!
Your average run of the mill teenager who might have drank in the past or tried pot or even, God forbid, engage in sexual activity would get little to no press coverage.
Not that it should matter as to someone’s character or not, but apparently Beth felt that it was so she spun the tale that would later prove to be not so.
If Natalee is of the character described by her mother what on earth would she be going on this trip for, since all in MB where well aware of what the group would be doing during there senior trip due to the past years of other senior class’s from MB visiting Aruba, an all inclusive drink & eat as much as you can before you pass out party festival.
Was her role suppose to be one of the wallflower sitting in the corner by herself, reading her Bible while the rest of her classmates partied like rock stars?
The goings on during there senior trip is one of the driving forces as to why almost all information flow from the others on the trip is nonexistent. They don’t what the world to know what took place while they where away from the watchful eyes of MB.
Well now the truth is being told. Read the complete VF article.
The article contains a lot of answers to questions that many have been asking me via PM for a long time.
Those on this forum may not like what is put out there in this article, tough, sometimes the truth hurts when you realize that you have been deceived by those that you have been admiring.
Before anyone posts it, regardless of if Natalee drank like a fish and or got high, regardless of what sort of social activity took place during the trip with her or the others on the trip she should still be home.
However, that is not what this post is about. It’s about the deception that was started by her mother to protect Natalee’s character as being her first agenda point when she arrived in Aruba.
What has come out in the Vanity Fair article is only a small piece of the information of what transpired between the family and friends that arrived to bring Natalee home & there interaction with those that opened there hearts to them who live in Aruba who just wanted to help bring Natalee home.



Mark Purcell forced Debbie to tell her sources of the Julia Renfro document she posted, why? B/c he has an agenda??

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:49 pm

OK time to out myself for the posters from BFN who read here or at least Debbie & gagirl.

Debbie you got the PM that was forwarded to you. I know you did our friend from across the pond sent it to you.

You have my phone number here in Aruba; you have the email to Julia’s office here in Aruba.

Either one will work.

Do the right thing, it is way over due.

If you where USED as a fall gal, so be it. CALL ME or EMAIL Julia. It doesn’t matter. Get the truth out to one of us who cares. Do not keep it inside it will rip you apart piece by piece.

The info you have does not need to be posted on a forum, call me or send the info to Julia.

My only post as it would be in regards to this false document being posted would be the following if you so chose to call me would be the following:

“Debbie has revealed her source, please stop with the Lack of Integrity posts, her source has been revealed and Julia is taking it from here, thank you all for your efforts in making this happen.”
It really is simple.


Ask yourself this Debbie.
Have I revealed anything you have sent me in PM?
I kept my word.

I think you where set up & used.

Do the right thing.


Mark Purcell knows the VDS's

Quote from: akband27 on August 10, 2006, 06:36:47 PM
MIP6...can you tell us what bar you work in? I understand if you can't...did you know the bartender that was killed/overdosed? also do you personally know the VDS's and the Kalpoes?

MIP6 Reply #90 on: August 10, 2006, 06:47:40 PM
It is not C&C’s, I am too old for that crowd.
I would prefer not too, you how things get twisted.

I did not know the guy who was killed, again too young for my crowd.

Yes I have met most of the VDS family.


Does this sound like Mark Purcell is supporting Natalee?

MIP6

Re: Natalee Holloway, REMEMBER?
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2006, 04:37:10 PM »
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Thanks for the input Alex.

I tell you what, I will post in my style and you post in your style and we will do it supporting Natalee and saying NO to the hate mongers how is that?

MOD’s if you feel my post has helped to perpetuate the HATE rather than expose it please modify as you see fit.
Thanks and good night from Aruba.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4636.msg150395#msg150395


Mark Purcell has issues wih Natalee's stepfather, Jug.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:43 am

Top my list would be Natalee.

Followed by Beth & Julia in the same room at the same time with me sitting off to the side controlling Jug on his

leash so he couldn’t shove Julia again.

Bad dog Jug, bad dog.

As I am asking the questions I could watch that little vein on Beth’s forehead start to throb with anger as Julia sits

there calmly giving truthful answers to what took place in reference to the conversations between the two of them in

those first few weeks.

When it’s Beth turn to answer all I would hear would be a bunch stammering & stuttering along with the “you knows” and

not relevant's.

Heel Jug, bad dog.

Doc


Mark Purcell call's us supporters a cult.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:27 pm

I see HMI will stop at nothing to keep there Beth in the lime light, Jim Jones would be proud of this little cult that

has been developed.

Those participating in the hunger strike please contact Doc Holladay at
1-800-FUCKOFF just prior to you going in and out of conciseness so that I can insure your safe recovery, you bunch of

ignorant fucks.
My current going rate for resuscitating a person from self imposed stupidity is 3 Red Fires and a shot of JD, payment

required in advance.

Oh wait I’m on the wagon this month, oh well too bad.

Doc



Mark Purcell defends his friend Julia Renfro and attacks BFN & SM.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:14 pm

I see we have a couple of f*** nuggets trying to make Julia look like the bad guy (gal) again.
Don’t you Kool-Aid drinking fucktards (damn I love that word) understand yet, I and I assume many on this board will

believe what Julia has to say over anything Beth ever puts forward from her journal of lies and fabrication.

Ya’ll are just pissed off because Julia owned that idiot & Paul Reynolds last night on the CC show.

Now f*** off and go back to SM or BFN Grannytoad is lonely and needs her feet massaged again.

Doc (don’t f*** with me or my friends) Holladay



Mark Purcell thinks the parent of Natalee should beg the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, for forgiveness.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm

If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?

Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.
Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.

Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population

of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person

who helped in the beginning.

Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.

Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.

Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.

Mark Purcell can't stand Dave and says bad things about him.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:44 am

Dave made that email public to further bolster his book, remember, “Corruption in Paradise”. His other reason was to continue the hate campaign his ex started and he so whole-heartedly joined into.
He is nothing more than a neutered male version of Beth; I can’t stand any of them.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-21893.html&highlight=#21893



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« on: August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM »

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Hello everyone at BFN! I rarely post, but think it is a good time now. Our main focus should be finding out what happened to Natalee. Dave and I are very frustrated. It has been close to 500 days she has been missing and we have received no current updates regarding the investigation status in a long time.

I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also. I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.

I hate that the boycott has caused pain for the innocent people in Aruba. We never dreamed we would still be here after so much time has gone by without any answers.

Debbie and the mods here are teriffic and thank you so much for all you at BFN have done for us! We still have the helpfindnatalee@comcast.net set up for tips, so keep them coming if anyone can help us get an answer.
Robin
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4634.msg149180#msg149180




Debbie.............> Robin Holloway ..................>Mark Purcell................>Capslockwizard.................>Lorenzo Webb.............>Geerman......................>Kawish..................>Silvetti


HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT DAVE TO KEEP ON TRUSTING THESE PEOPLE?






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 08:05:53 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.


I guess I was spared.  The only PM I received from Reality ... he refers to me as JaNUT.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

He thought I was a man!

But he PM'd other women his size.
And it wasn't his hat size.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2009, 08:06:04 PM
Natalee Holloway on 25 most shocking crimes right now on the westcoast!Comcast
E entertainment.......

Thanks KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 20, 2009, 08:07:57 PM
Natalee Holloway on 25 most shocking crimes right now on the westcoast!Comcast
E entertainment.......

Thanks KTF

It was about 5-10 minutes..Natalee's story will never go away Aruba! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 08:11:49 PM
Last nights Dana Pretzer segment with Tim Miller - the part where Tim talks about Natalee and going back to search in Aruba:

Click on the picture below, the audio/video is in photobucket:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case
Quote
You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money   and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.


What does mending relationships with ALE have to do with finding Natalee?  Would they actually go back to search the remaining targets... and then... what... call in the Arubans to retrieve whatever they find again?

And screw Defendant Schaefer and his dirty money!  Wth, Tim?! 

This just makes no sense at all. 


Hi Lifesong.

EXACTLY!!

Tim Miller does not get it!  Appeasing the Aruban "powers that be" have had a coverup agenda since the getgo is not where it is at.  It is those within the corrupt investigation  ... those who have prevented justice from prevailing ... who should be attempting to mend fences to atone for the H--- on Earth that they have put an American family through for over four years.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on June 20, 2009, 08:12:59 PM
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Re: Robin Holloway: Natalee's Step Angel!
« Reply #20 on: Today at 03:30:30 PM »
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Most of you know that I joke and kid around on the board. What few of you do know is that I have personally had the pleasure of getting to know Robin Holloway. What I have learned about this wonderful LADY is that she has a caring and kind heart. In our many phone conversations she has never failed to talk about Natalee, often sharing small personal things that she knows and loves about her. Through Robin, I have come to know Natalee, and that is a wonderful gift that I have been allowed.
Her admiration and love for Dave comes through in the tone of her voice when she mentions his name and how tirelessly he has searched for his lovely daughter, never giving up.
Robin has a great sense of humour and she also cares deeply about BFN and Debbie, of whom she speaks of with great love and respect as well as the members of this forum who have been an inspiration to her and her family in this time of terrible loss and tragedy.
« Last Edit: Today at 03:35:28 PM by Reality »
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4686.15


Debbie ..........>Robin Holloway ...............>Reality .................>Mark Purcell .................>
Kawish......>Capslockwizard...............>Lorenzo Webb..............>Geerman......................>

see how it works folks.

And Debbie wants people to investigate me!
And Mark Purcell threatens to set fire to Klassend's home and mine.

et tu brutus!



....................>John Silvetti...................>



He's telling on her right there and on purpose.  They exploited her weakness and she allowed it.

She never should've been on the phone with him to begin with, but when she was she should have only talked about Natalee.

"never failed to bring up Natalee" ...  that's so transparent it's ridiculous.

JMO and only MO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.


I guess I was spared.  The only PM I received from Reality ... he refers to me as JaNUT.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

He thought I was a man!

But he PM'd other women his size.
And it wasn't his hat size.



 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.

 


I think that the stuff Mark Purcell posted on open forums is disgusting.
 It says plenty about the type of person he is.

What does it say about Robin and Dave Holloway.  Considering Mark Purcell has done nothing to further justice for Natalee Holloway in the almost three years relationship with Dave and Robin ... what could be the underlying reason/s behind the friendship?

Janet

I know for a fact that it was Debbie bashing FaithMS to Robin Holloway.
So Robin Holloway thinks FaithMS was not to be trusted when she told her about Reality and MIP6.
One has to realize that the source of Robin Holloways information comes from Debbie!
So if Debbie tells Robin Holloway and she tells Dave you can trust Mark Purcell and Reality then she does because
Robin doesn't know what a lot of us know that has been said by Debbie. Robin has no idea that it was Debbie
that used another members nic and password so she could get into Ringo's site. She also got into another website
where the Freebirds were.

Of all the people she said she wanted to meet it was me she told me.
THEN I found out she was trying to investigate me.
THEN she started bashing me on her website.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 08:13:37 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.


I guess I was spared.  The only PM I received from Reality ... he refers to me as JaNUT.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

He thought I was a man!

But he PM'd other women his size.
And it wasn't his hat size.



Yeah....I am sure he told the truth on that subject. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 08:16:51 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 08:17:12 PM
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Re: Robin Holloway: Natalee's Step Angel!
« Reply #20 on: Today at 03:30:30 PM »
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Most of you know that I joke and kid around on the board. What few of you do know is that I have personally had the pleasure of getting to know Robin Holloway. What I have learned about this wonderful LADY is that she has a caring and kind heart. In our many phone conversations she has never failed to talk about Natalee, often sharing small personal things that she knows and loves about her. Through Robin, I have come to know Natalee, and that is a wonderful gift that I have been allowed.
Her admiration and love for Dave comes through in the tone of her voice when she mentions his name and how tirelessly he has searched for his lovely daughter, never giving up.
Robin has a great sense of humour and she also cares deeply about BFN and Debbie, of whom she speaks of with great love and respect as well as the members of this forum who have been an inspiration to her and her family in this time of terrible loss and tragedy.
« Last Edit: Today at 03:35:28 PM by Reality »
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4686.15


Debbie ..........>Robin Holloway ...............>Reality .................>Mark Purcell .................>
Kawish......>Capslockwizard...............>Lorenzo Webb..............>Geerman......................>

see how it works folks.

And Debbie wants people to investigate me!
And Mark Purcell threatens to set fire to Klassend's home and mine.

et tu brutus!



....................>John Silvetti...................>



He's telling on her right there and on purpose.  They exploited her weakness and she allowed it.

She never should've been on the phone with him to begin with, but when she was she should have only talked about Natalee.

"never failed to bring up Natalee" ...  that's so transparent it's ridiculous.

JMO and only MO

I agree with you.
And she hands over personal family photos for him to post on websites.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 08:17:54 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 08:21:34 PM
Yeah....I am sure he told the truth on that subject. ::MonkeyDevil::

1/2 a spool of thread for his knit stocking!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on June 20, 2009, 08:25:09 PM


What does it say about Robin and Dave Holloway.  Considering Mark Purcell has done nothing to further justice for Natalee Holloway in the almost three years relationship with Dave and Robin ... what could be the underlying reason/s behind the friendship?

Janet

I know for a fact that it was Debbie bashing FaithMS to Robin Holloway.
So Robin Holloway thinks FaithMS was not to be trusted when she told her about Reality and MIP6.
One has to realize that the source of Robin Holloways information comes from Debbie!
So if Debbie tells Robin Holloway and she tells Dave you can trust Mark Purcell and Reality then she does because
Robin doesn't know what a lot of us know that has been said by Debbie. Robin has no idea that it was Debbie
that used another members nic and password so she could get into Ringo's site. She also got into another website
where the Freebirds were.

Of all the people she said she wanted to meet it was me she told me.
THEN I found out she was trying to investigate me.
THEN she started bashing me on her website.



So...do you think Debbie is being used?  Duped?  Or has pre-Natalee ties with Aruba/ATA/AHATA/Purcell?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 08:26:03 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.

 


I think that the stuff Mark Purcell posted on open forums is disgusting.
 It says plenty about the type of person he is.

What does it say about Robin and Dave Holloway.  Considering Mark Purcell has done nothing to further justice for Natalee Holloway in the almost three years relationship with Dave and Robin ... what could be the underlying reason/s behind the friendship?

Janet

I know for a fact that it was Debbie bashing FaithMS to Robin Holloway.
So Robin Holloway thinks FaithMS was not to be trusted when she told her about Reality and MIP6.
One has to realize that the source of Robin Holloways information comes from Debbie!
So if Debbie tells Robin Holloway and she tells Dave you can trust Mark Purcell and Reality then she does because
Robin doesn't know what a lot of us know that has been said by Debbie. Robin has no idea that it was Debbie
that used another members nic and password so she could get into Ringo's site. She also got into another website
where the Freebirds were.

Of all the people she said she wanted to meet it was me she told me.
THEN I found out she was trying to investigate me.
THEN she started bashing me on her website.



Kermit

As I was convinced that Robin and Dave were being deceived by the darkside ... in November, 2006 I sent each of them a compilation of Reality, Ramm and Mark Purcell's posts which were submitted to Natalee forums ... BFN included ... prior to the connection which occured late summer of 2006.  I sent this compilation to their respective email addresses.  I did receive polite responses but ... bottom line ... the three trolls were defended.

Janet   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 08:40:37 PM


What does it say about Robin and Dave Holloway.  Considering Mark Purcell has done nothing to further justice for Natalee Holloway in the almost three years relationship with Dave and Robin ... what could be the underlying reason/s behind the friendship?

Janet

I know for a fact that it was Debbie bashing FaithMS to Robin Holloway.
So Robin Holloway thinks FaithMS was not to be trusted when she told her about Reality and MIP6.
One has to realize that the source of Robin Holloways information comes from Debbie!
So if Debbie tells Robin Holloway and she tells Dave you can trust Mark Purcell and Reality then she does because
Robin doesn't know what a lot of us know that has been said by Debbie. Robin has no idea that it was Debbie
that used another members nic and password so she could get into Ringo's site. She also got into another website
where the Freebirds were.

Of all the people she said she wanted to meet it was me she told me.
THEN I found out she was trying to investigate me.
THEN she started bashing me on her website.



So...do you think Debbie is being used?  Duped?  Or has pre-Natalee ties with Aruba/ATA/AHATA/Purcell?



If she has enough sensse to correct spelling, one would think she would have figured out by
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: now if she was being duped.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 08:49:02 PM


What does it say about Robin and Dave Holloway.  Considering Mark Purcell has done nothing to further justice for Natalee Holloway in the almost three years relationship with Dave and Robin ... what could be the underlying reason/s behind the friendship?

Janet

I know for a fact that it was Debbie bashing FaithMS to Robin Holloway.
So Robin Holloway thinks FaithMS was not to be trusted when she told her about Reality and MIP6.
One has to realize that the source of Robin Holloways information comes from Debbie!
So if Debbie tells Robin Holloway and she tells Dave you can trust Mark Purcell and Reality then she does because
Robin doesn't know what a lot of us know that has been said by Debbie. Robin has no idea that it was Debbie
that used another members nic and password so she could get into Ringo's site. She also got into another website
where the Freebirds were.

Of all the people she said she wanted to meet it was me she told me.
THEN I found out she was trying to investigate me.
THEN she started bashing me on her website.



So...do you think Debbie is being used?  Duped?  Or has pre-Natalee ties with Aruba/ATA/AHATA/Purcell?



Debbie changed in the summer of 2006 following her friendship with Reality who was unbannable despite his disgusting vulgar posts and ... her friendship with Robin who had been posting at Beth-bashing RU and ... had developed a friendship with the RU administrator.

Lifesong, I can appreciate somebody being duped for a time but ... three years later?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Prior to Reality invading the forum in the summer of 2006 ... I felt that Debbie and I were on the same page.  I felt at home at BFN.  Hey ... even Debbie was not spared Mark Purcell's wrath prior to the Holloway connection.

Janet

++++++

REFUGEES UNLIMITED

MARK PURELL


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm

Doesn’t surprise me any that Debbie would do that. The title of this thread is “Debbie’s Integrity” should read “Debbie’s total lack of Morals & Integrity”. She is the head cheerleader for all things Twitty / Holloway. Someone mentioned to me that Debbie was just being “used” by the family to move the family agenda forward, I called Bullshit, Debbie knows exactly what she is doing. This is a blatant attempt to smear Julia because the Twitholes fear her knowledge of what they did here in Aruba. Just like all others who where close to the family in the beginning, they now have put in play a planned focused effort to discredit Julia. This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 20, 2009, 08:51:50 PM
Tell us Kemit! ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, please tell us Kermit!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

And if you have any idea why the crotch shot/cleavage shot avis were the norm there, I'd like to know that too!  I have my own thoughts about that, but maybe I missed something important that made those appropriate and commonly used by some admin there.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I have the PMs of Reality that he sent to women and all of them are disgusting sex talk to them.
He has issues and if I had not seen them myself, I would not have believed it.


I guess I was spared.  The only PM I received from Reality ... he refers to me as JaNUT.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

He thought I was a man!

But he PM'd other women his size.
And it wasn't his hat size.


He has a tiny head????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 08:53:12 PM
Magnolia and 16 Guests are viewing this topic.  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Your bag is back! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

jen originally told me she burned it but ... her conscience eventually came through and ...  she returned it.

However ... if Magnolia is going to posts on the Natalee Holloway forum with 16 unknown guests sitting in the rafters ... she needs the hidey bag more than me.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 20, 2009, 09:11:30 PM
Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:59 PM
From: {edited}
To: "Kermit"


Jan, Suzie, Debbie and Robin are seeking  your identify LOL
 
I know you know this already but Jan said it was a must that
she know who you are.  She says the "family" said it was a must!
I fell out laughing.
 
LMAO I said good luck cause ya wont find out who HE is.
 
[b]BB even asked me who you were I said I dunno some guy.[/b]





Kermit Please let the Monkeys know it wasn't this Suzie. I do not post at BFN or anywhere but here.             Thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2009, 09:47:35 PM
SuzieQ - I think I know which Suzie it is and I know it's not you  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 10:02:22 PM
Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:59 PM
From: {edited}
To: "Kermit"


Jan, Suzie, Debbie and Robin are seeking  your identify LOL
 
I know you know this already but Jan said it was a must that
she know who you are.  She says the "family" said it was a must!
I fell out laughing.
 
LMAO I said good luck cause ya wont find out who HE is.
 
[b]BB even asked me who you were I said I dunno some guy.[/b]





Kermit Please let the Monkeys know it wasn't this Suzie. I do not post at BFN or anywhere but here.             Thanks

It's not you Suzie. It is the Suzie that told people she met Tim Miller in Aruba when ice fell on her head. I think people know who it is.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 10:03:03 PM
Magnolia and 16 Guests are viewing this topic.  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Your bag is back! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

jen originally told me she burned it but ... her conscience eventually came through and ...  she returned it.

However ... if Magnolia is going to posts on the Natalee Holloway forum with 16 unknown guests sitting in the rafters ... she needs the hidey bag more than me.

Janet

I think she really meant she was saving it for you.
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 10:03:30 PM
A REMINDER


A VOICE THAT WILL NOT BE SILENCED

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


On the Record w / Greta - August 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  I met him in his office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta — you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that — you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is. And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166524,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - September 15, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: We will keep going back to Aruba over and over again. This is far from over. They know—they have the answers there on the island.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - September 15, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  I think it’s just the side that, you know, I—I will stop at nothing to get answers. There is nothing that I won’t do. There’s nowhere that I won’t go, and there’s nothing—I’m going to ask every question. I don’t care how painful it is. I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets.”

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


CNN - September 5, 2005

For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/04/aruba.missing.teen/index.html


'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 10:04:25 PM
Magnolia and 16 Guests are viewing this topic.  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Your bag is back! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

jen originally told me she burned it but ... her conscience eventually came through and ...  she returned it.

However ... if Magnolia is going to posts on the Natalee Holloway forum with 16 unknown guests sitting in the rafters ... she needs the hidey bag more than me.

Janet

I think she really meant she was saving it for you.
 ::MonkeyTongue::

In CAPS speak?

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 10:06:15 PM
He has a tiny head????  ::MonkeyDevil::
It is my understanding that no one has actually seen it. It's more about the phone!
 ::MonkeyDevil::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 10:07:36 PM
In CAPS speak?

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 10:12:07 PM
He has a tiny head????  ::MonkeyDevil::
It is my understanding that no one has actually seen it. It's more about the phone!
 ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 10:13:35 PM
He has a tiny head????  ::MonkeyDevil::
It is my understanding that no one has actually seen it. It's more about the phone!
 ::MonkeyDevil::




 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 10:13:45 PM
Kermit

As I was convinced that Robin and Dave were being deceived by the darkside ... in November, 2006 I sent each of them a compilation of Reality, Ramm and Mark Purcell's posts which were submitted to Natalee forums ... BFN included ... prior to the connection which occured late summer of 2006.  I sent this compilation to their respective email addresses.  I did receive polite responses but ... bottom line ... the three trolls were defended.

Janet   

Yes I know for a fact, that Robin Holloway rec'd all the posts that contained the horrible things they posted about Natalee and her friends and her family. According to Suzie (not the SuzieQ here at SM) Robin did not believe it.
Beth did not believe that it was the real Robin Holloway at BFN when she found out. So a lot of people threw up their hands and quit helping. As you can see, hotshot, Debbie, Capslockwizard, Reality, Mark Purcell, and the den dolder man himself, johan have been the catalyst to searches and mis-information. Now why is that?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2009, 10:13:58 PM
O/T but very cute   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg847624#msg847624


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 20, 2009, 10:15:43 PM
He has a tiny head????  ::MonkeyDevil::
It is my understanding that no one has actually seen it. It's more about the phone!
 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!

Honestly, if I told you the rest of what I know..............you're ears would need cleaning for a week.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 10:18:55 PM
O/T but very cute   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg847624#msg847624

It is not me either.  Those two look like a lot of time and trouble.  If I had a choice ... I would rather be on the computer.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 20, 2009, 10:22:14 PM
He has a tiny head????  ::MonkeyDevil::
It is my understanding that no one has actually seen it. It's more about the phone!
 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!

Honestly, if I told you the rest of what I know..............you're ears would need cleaning for a week.



I have heard that Reality's telephone voice is something else and ... even Tamikosmom would embrace the darkside.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 10:26:07 PM
O/T but very cute   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg847624#msg847624

Cute babies!  Australian Shepherds?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 20, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
Magnolia and 13 Guests are viewing this topic.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 10:28:59 PM
Magnolia and 13 Guests are viewing this topic.  ::MonkeyWaa::

We'd all gone to see the puppies Magnolia!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2009, 10:44:57 PM
O/T but very cute   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg847624#msg847624

Cute babies!  Australian Shepherds?

Yes  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 10:57:23 PM
O/T but very cute   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg847624#msg847624

Cute babies!  Australian Shepherds?

Yes  ::MonkeyCool::

They are precious, I didn't watch long...I'd want one!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 20, 2009, 11:04:37 PM
SuzieQ - I think I know which Suzie it is and I know it's not you  ::MonkeyWink::



Thanks Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 20, 2009, 11:08:24 PM
Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:59 PM
From: {edited}
To: "Kermit"


Jan, Suzie, Debbie and Robin are seeking  your identify LOL
 
I know you know this already but Jan said it was a must that
she know who you are.  She says the "family" said it was a must!
I fell out laughing.
 
LMAO I said good luck cause ya wont find out who HE is.
 
[b]BB even asked me who you were I said I dunno some guy.[/b]





Kermit Please let the Monkeys know it wasn't this Suzie. I do not post at BFN or anywhere but here.             Thanks

It's not you Suzie. It is the Suzie that told people she met Tim Miller in Aruba when ice fell on her head. I think people know who it is.




Thanks Kermit, somehow I missed that episode. What kind of ice fell on anyone in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 11:27:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58410.php

Google translation:

Pullmantur aircraft turns back

20 Jun, 2009, 14:51 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Boeing 747 of Air Pullmantur that last night with a number of passengers from the cruise ship plagued Ocean Dream would fly back to Spain, was about an hour after takeoff problems avoided cabin. The captain asked the tower of Reina Beatrix to urgently return to Aruba. The landing went well and soon found that one of the luggage hatches of the aircraft for departure was not properly closed, which air from the cabin escaped. The problem was corrected and a few hours later, the flight resumed. The passenger plane did not. Nevertheless, the ambulance, the Red Cross and the police - including ME - present. A single customs officer had entered her mouth cap again and drivers of tour buses were reluctant to wait for a possible trip to the passengers to a hotel. "If they come out I go." That was not so beneficial.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 11:29:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58409.php

Google translation:

Pullmantur not happy with Aruban approach

20 Jun, 2009, 14:49 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Spanish owner Pullmantur Cruises, owner of the ship Ocean Dream of the Mexican flu broke out is not so happy with the way the Aruban authorities have addressed the situation. "Yes, of course we all expenses," said spokesman Juan Jose Sanchez on sarcastic tone from Spain.

The cruise company believes that the whole matter 'excessive' is addressed. Minister of Health Booshi Wever said yesterday to the press that he understood the irritation of Pullmantur. "It costs them money. But we must come to the protocol of the World Health Organization (WHO) hold. All this at the expense of Pullmantur. "According to Weaver, they have agreed that everything possible is done to the ship as soon as possible to let go. "People who were on the cruise ship yesterday, temporarily staying in hotels until they could book a ticket to return to their countries or any decisions yet to come along with the Ocean Dream."

Nineteen passengers who tested negative and were allowed ashore yesterday, staying in hotels on the island, said Minister of Tourism and Transportation, Edison breeze.

Wever had yesterday on consultation with a member of the Pan American Health Organization PAHO to see how the situation can be best addressed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 11:40:59 PM
Aruba
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58407.php

Google translation:

"It looked like Love in times of cholera"

20 Jun, 2009, 14:43 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/20arubafamilie-tonk-_20-0.gif)  

The family Tonk, safe at home, after traveling on cruise ship Ocean Dream, which drew worldwide attention because of an outbreak of flu Mexican aboard.

ORANGE CITY - "It looked like love in times of cholera," says Miriam Tonk which yesterday along with her husband on the cruise ship Ocean Tonk Dreams stayed, where the Mexican flu had broken out. The perilous adventure aboard got the world press. It did Tonk immediately think of the famous novel by Gabriel García Márquez.

by our reporter
Shade Cybulkiewicz

In that book plays a similar situation as that of the Ocean Dream, which is still in the port of Aruba lies. Miriam and her husband Robbie say that they at no time were afraid that they would rise flu. "The ship was dealing with other people just as we deal with people every day. There are many people on the ship including a number of Spaniards who were very dissatisfied with the situation, friends. If someone coughs or something similar was not us that we could become infected. Also we knew that the three infected crew members were kept well apart from the passengers, "describes Tonk.

When exactly did you find out something wrong on the ship?

"Friday, June 12 we left the cruise ship Ocean Dream and on Saturday we were in Curacao. When everything was still normal. Sunday we were on the island of Isla de Margarita. We even made a nice tour of the island. Monday when the cruise ship in nearly Grenada aanmeerde, we heard that we should not abandon the ship because of medical problems that occur worldwide. At that time we had no suspicion that a serious case. We thought: Well, will have new rules in response to the virus, because there is probably a little more care with them should be gone. At the moment we do not moor in Grenada were, we thought that there is indeed something not right. Then we went to Barbados and only because we were told that crew members on board were infected with the Mexican flu. "

Tonk said that the real problem was so bad that passengers were informed. "Nobody told us when and where we would moor. I felt exactly the same as the people in the book of Márquez. Also it is described about people infected with cholera on a ship and no one wanted them came close. So the ship also had a solution for something to lakes. We knew nothing at Ocean Dream. Many people on the ship asked us what we knew, because we came from Aruba and the final destination. We had regular contact with friends and family to Aruba we were at the height of what they heard. But once the ship was far from land, there was no phone coverage more. And with the Internet nor the womb. We paid 20 euros for a half hour internet. But the Internet was so slow that when you have something, then again for your time. "

Tonk said that the Internet is a good source of information was. "At various Spanish and Dutch news we could follow. Also, I was called by television programs such as One Today. We and many other passengers were unhappy because there were all sorts of speculation and lack of concrete information. "

How did it feel like after a miserable journey back home to be?
"Yesterday there was around half past six morning convey that the ship was docking in Aruba. So, that was a huge relief after three days you just see the sea. At home! I was also good news that my son all his exams and had succeeded. We are very pleased to finally get back to our island. But we would be back on a cruise travel. It really is not that we by this unpleasant experience on a cruise like. Probably get a voucher as compensation which we can go again with Pullmantur. But we prefer our money back, because the Pulmantur we do not want to travel more, "said Tonk.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 11:46:40 PM
Monkeys, please feel free to jump right in and post anything you'd like, I'm just posting news articles as I come across them.

I'm not trying to be a roboposter.  Really I'm not, KTF.   ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 20, 2009, 11:52:31 PM
Monkeys, please feel free to jump right in and post anything you'd like, I'm just posting news articles as I come across them.

I'm not trying to be a roboposter.  Really I'm not, KTF.   ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



The breath mints are working Texasmom...
Even Ktf wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't call you a roboposter this time around.... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 11:54:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58405.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Seven years required for cross party with scissors

20 Jun, 2009, 14:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) demanded this week seven years imprisonment for suspected C. due to attempted murder and grievous bodily harm. C. is suspected in a December 23, 2008 D. with scissors in his neck made it. The victim had been severely injured.

On Saturday the day the unsuspecting victim in his car when he suddenly something heets at his neck felt. He looked around and saw a man who in his throat seemed to intervene. The victim thought he was a wanderer had to do with him and began to fight. Ultimately knew the suspect away and he ran away. The victim of the T-shirt of the accused to address had been wanted his attacker aanrennen. He came to the discovery that he was stabbed in his neck and was urgently taken to hospital for treatment. A piece of the scissors in the car was found and seized as evidence.

The suspect, known as a drug addict, initially denied everything. Despite the positive identification of the victim and a witness, was C. to your guns, not to be responsible for the incident. Then came the prosecutor with a forensic report from the Netherlands. DNA research revealed that the T-shirt and scissors most likely belonging to the suspect. After a brief discussion with his lawyer, the suspect his story to fit. Then he said to have been under the influence of drink and drugs and nothing to remember.

The suspect said to have regrets, if he were responsible for the cross party and gave assistance to search for his addiction. His lawyer also argued for a lower sentence. His client would like to kick it and two years in Santo Domingo residents. Given the seriousness of the offense and the fact that the victim twice in the neck and once in the mouth has been found for the advice that is acted with premeditation. The officer stayed with the requirement of seven years in prison and a compensation of the victim. The judge is ruling on July 3.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2009, 11:56:23 PM
Monkeys, please feel free to jump right in and post anything you'd like, I'm just posting news articles as I come across them.

I'm not trying to be a roboposter.  Really I'm not, KTF.   ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



The breath mints are working Texasmom...
Even Ktf wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't call you a roboposter this time around.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thank you billb!

I was beginning to wonder!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 20, 2009, 11:56:37 PM
If you think the puppies are cute.....well...they are!
We have a 7 yr old black with white Australian shepherd...she is one of the smartest dogs we ever had...
The love she returns for the love we give is unmatched in any other breed....mho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
If you think the puppies are cute.....well...they are!
We have a 7 yr old black with white Australian shepherd...she is one of the smartest dogs we ever had...
The love she returns for the love we give is unmatched in any other breed....mho

awwww, that's cool billb.  But I'm not going to tell my sheltie girls you said that.
They are both laying here and every time I look in their eyes they seem to be saying "You promised us a bath this weekend......back away from the computer!"

They will get their bath, I've just had a lot of extra kids around this weekend, so it hasn't happened yet...too much cooking going on!




 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 12:10:41 AM
If you think the puppies are cute.....well...they are!
We have a 7 yr old black with white Australian shepherd...she is one of the smartest dogs we ever had...
The love she returns for the love we give is unmatched in any other breed....mho

awwww, that's cool billb.  But I'm not going to tell my sheltie girls you said that.
They are both laying here and every time I look in their eyes they seem to be saying "You promised us a bath this weekend......back away from the computer!"

They will get their bath, I've just had a lot of extra kids around this weekend, so it hasn't happened yet...too much cooking going on!




 
Sheltie's are great dogs also. we had Scottie in the early 80's...he loved sitting on the bow of our friends sailboat...didn't care for the water though.....Dog lovers are the best!
No more O/T for me.....Promise ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 12:12:08 AM
This should be interesting (for the crime thread that is).   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58404.php

Google translation:

Aruba

San Nicolas in green

20 Jun, 2009, 14:40 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - Heineken organizes this year a major musical in the main street of San Nicolas. In exactly three weeks, Saturday, July 11, the town transformed for a night in Green Village. Last night the organization gave a press conference in Charlie's Bar with details about the green party.

From eight o'clock until three o'clock at night the main street closed to traffic and is fully in the typical green baptized. Like previous years with the Green City event in Oranjestad, the brewer along with I Love Muzika. With two large podiums, a variety of bands, DJs and entertainers, there is something for everyone. Op het eerste podium aan het eind van de hoofdstraat treden groepen op als Le Groove, Basic One en Datapanik. The second stage is called "electric stage" with the Italian dj Padovano, also known as Funky Junction. Other DJs at this stage DJ Paco from Curacao and of course Aruban talents DJ Theo Sanders and Sonido Intifada. An intermediate stage on the crossing at Charlie's bar is the scene of Urban DJs Bigrig, Diablo and Virus.

Green Key
As a security measure, the organization elected to the tickets for the event, known as Green Key, not the door to sell. They are only available in advance. Those interested can buy the Green Key in the office of the brewer and clothing Spare Time for the special price of 15 florin. Heineken manager Hans Mondia: "This price is only for a limited time used. So be quick! "Interested parties can also access buy 35 florin, here is an official Village Green T-shirt included. Due to the limited space available, in consultation with the police decided the limited number of cards to hold to 5,000 units. Unlike last year, anyone who wants to enter a Village Green access card. This card gives us just like last year access to all bars and cafes in the area.

Enjoy in moderation
Under the motto 'Enjoy Responsibly', the organization for buses between Oranjestad and San Nicolas and fro driving. Also, the brewer agreed to a special price taxi society TAS. For only 27 florin for a taxi, it is worthwhile to leave the car at home and with all to enjoy the party.

During the press conference yesterday verklapte manager Mondria that later this year a Green City event is scheduled. The details he has not lost but the music is at The Village at Palm Beach will take place. For lovers, there is next week Saturday Village Green warm up party in Confessions. Dj Disciple from New York last year at Green City played, running together with dj Theo Sanders and DJ Eldrick. Chino Latino restaurant serves as the second stage including dj Bigrig.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 12:19:05 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58438.php

Curaçao

Visit Bijleveld and Albayrak

20 Jun, 2009, 16:18 (GMT -04:00)

WILLEM CITY / DEN HAAG - The State Secretaries Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) and Nebahat Albayrak (Justice, PvdA) to next week a visit to the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. The visit is the sign of the political changes of the Kingdom and the semi-annual tripartite consultations Justice.
  
The visit of the ministers begins Monday in Aruba. Bijleveld Albayrak and enter talks with the governor of Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. Albayrak speak further with Justice Minister Rudy Croes and a visit to the prison in Aruba in the planning.
Bijleveld speaks noon on Curaçao with the Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage.
Tuesday, the leaders met with Governor Frits Goedgedrag and State Justice tripartite consultations on the agenda. evening Secretary Albayrak hold a lecture under the title 'Managed Migration', and a discussion forum on migration will take place.

Political consultation
The political dialogue between Bijleveld, Netherlands Antilles, Curaçao and St. Maarten on the progress of political change takes place Wednesday in Willemstad. Albayrak visit that day Bonaire. It argues that several introductory talks and visits to the House of Detention. On Bonaire the working end of Albayrak.
  
Isla
Thursday, June 25 is the last day of the visit of Bijleveld. They speak that day with the authority of Curaçao, Lisa Dindial and the minister of Health, Humphrey Davelaar, the Isla refinery.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 12:19:25 AM
If you think the puppies are cute.....well...they are!
We have a 7 yr old black with white Australian shepherd...she is one of the smartest dogs we ever had...
The love she returns for the love we give is unmatched in any other breed....mho

awwww, that's cool billb.  But I'm not going to tell my sheltie girls you said that.
They are both laying here and every time I look in their eyes they seem to be saying "You promised us a bath this weekend......back away from the computer!"

They will get their bath, I've just had a lot of extra kids around this weekend, so it hasn't happened yet...too much cooking going on!




 
Sheltie's are great dogs also. we had Scottie in the early 80's...he loved sitting on the bow of our friends sailboat...didn't care for the water though.....Dog lovers are the best!
No more O/T for me.....Promise ::MonkeyTongue::
Kids visiting are always better than baths (for dogs).....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 12:25:37 AM
If you think the puppies are cute.....well...they are!
We have a 7 yr old black with white Australian shepherd...she is one of the smartest dogs we ever had...
The love she returns for the love we give is unmatched in any other breed....mho

awwww, that's cool billb.  But I'm not going to tell my sheltie girls you said that.
They are both laying here and every time I look in their eyes they seem to be saying "You promised us a bath this weekend......back away from the computer!"

They will get their bath, I've just had a lot of extra kids around this weekend, so it hasn't happened yet...too much cooking going on!
 
Sheltie's are great dogs also. we had Scottie in the early 80's...he loved sitting on the bow of our friends sailboat...didn't care for the water though.....Dog lovers are the best!
No more O/T for me.....Promise ::MonkeyTongue::
Kids visiting are always better than baths (for dogs).....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I don't know, my girls have been very busy keeping an eye on the guests, plus they had to supervise the horse riding too.  I know it's hard to believe but they actually practically beg for a bath!  Everytime I wash dishes and use the sprayer they think they're going to get a bath.  Funny thing is, when I do run the water and get ready to bathe them...then they play hard to get.  During the summer months, I think they appreciate the baths more than ever!

Last o/t from me too...promise!  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 12:27:15 AM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 12:31:30 AM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 12:54:38 AM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

I'll try again...
bad guys stay bad guys....that's expected.
Robin/Dave going along? Tim Miller going along?
Does it change anything at the end of the day? Delay quite possibly....
Robin/Dave....delays outcome....but probably doesn't change outcome when it is said and done.
Tim Miller? Seems to me he holds cards that COULD influence the outcome.......But I don't know all the hands playing in the game...If things are in the works that will get Justice  for Natalee....Tim Miller's hand my be OBE (Overcome by events)....
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 21, 2009, 01:01:15 AM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

I'll try again...
bad guys stay bad guys....that's expected.
Robin/Dave going along? Tim Miller going along?
Does it change anything at the end of the day? Delay quite possibly....
Robin/Dave....delays outcome....but probably doesn't change outcome when it is said and done.
Tim Miller? Seems to me he holds cards that COULD influence the outcome.......But I don't know all the hands playing in the game...If things are in the works that will get Justice  for Natalee....Tim Miller's hand my be OBE (Overcome by events)....
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

Progress is being made even though there is no observable progress!My Canoe is always ready & waiting for it's maiden voyage! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 01:08:01 AM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

I'll try again...
bad guys stay bad guys....that's expected.
Robin/Dave going along? Tim Miller going along?
Does it change anything at the end of the day? Delay quite possibly....
Robin/Dave....delays outcome....but probably doesn't change outcome when it is said and done.
Tim Miller? Seems to me he holds cards that COULD influence the outcome.......But I don't know all the hands playing in the game...If things are in the works that will get Justice  for Natalee....Tim Miller's hand my be OBE (Overcome by events)....
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

Progress is being made even though there is no observable progress!My Canoe is always ready & waiting for it's maiden voyage! ::MonkeyCool::
I'm on board...along with wreck... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 01:10:22 AM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

I'll try again...
bad guys stay bad guys....that's expected.
Robin/Dave going along? Tim Miller going along?
Does it change anything at the end of the day? Delay quite possibly....
Robin/Dave....delays outcome....but probably doesn't change outcome when it is said and done.
Tim Miller? Seems to me he holds cards that COULD influence the outcome.......But I don't know all the hands playing in the game...If things are in the works that will get Justice  for Natalee....Tim Miller's hand my be OBE (Overcome by events)....
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

Progress is being made even though there is no observable progress!My Canoe is always ready & waiting for it's maiden voyage! ::MonkeyCool::
I'm on board...along with wreck... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
going down the Cahulawassee River......
Ned Butty I'm not... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 01:12:21 AM
45 pages to go....Who's with me.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 01:12:58 AM
45 55 pages to go....Who's with me.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 21, 2009, 01:14:11 AM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

I'll try again...
bad guys stay bad guys....that's expected.
Robin/Dave going along? Tim Miller going along?
Does it change anything at the end of the day? Delay quite possibly....
Robin/Dave....delays outcome....but probably doesn't change outcome when it is said and done.
Tim Miller? Seems to me he holds cards that COULD influence the outcome.......But I don't know all the hands playing in the game...If things are in the works that will get Justice  for Natalee....Tim Miller's hand my be OBE (Overcome by events)....
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

Progress is being made even though there is no observable progress!My Canoe is always ready & waiting for it's maiden voyage! ::MonkeyCool::
I'm on board...along with wreck... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
going down the Cahulawassee River......
Ned Butty I'm not... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

It will be such a nice trip down the river it'll have Wreck saying Wee,Wee,Wee all the way home....Maybe that'll get Wreck off the couch & in his computer chair... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 21, 2009, 01:25:59 AM
Be back in a bit..Be good! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 21, 2009, 01:36:49 AM
Happy Father's Day to ALL Father Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 21, 2009, 01:36:53 AM
Good night billb, mysterious, hotping, Rooscrew, snoopy, texasmom, Magnolia and 7 Guests are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 01:40:02 AM
Good night billb, mysterious, hotping, Rooscrew, snoopy, texasmom, Magnolia and 7 Guests are viewing this topic.

Good night billb!  Hope you have a GREAT Father's Day!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 01:58:58 AM
For all Monkey Dads and Grandads!


(http://www.graphicsarcade.com/holidays/fathers_day/graphics/fathers_day_graphics_11.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 04:07:23 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeDave33.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 04:09:47 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/pony.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 04:10:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/play2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 04:13:14 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeDavePic4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 04:17:00 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeDave_tt.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 04:20:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Dave_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 21, 2009, 07:53:25 AM
 :cry: :smt022


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: can on June 21, 2009, 09:34:24 AM
What wonderful pictures of Dave and his Natalee.  Special thoughts to them
today.

Happy Father's Day to all the Dad Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: can on June 21, 2009, 09:39:01 AM
KTF - Some OBSERVABLE progress would be great to see, or some verbal assurance.   Guess I will have to cling to hope, that one day Natalee will be returned and justice will be served.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 09:39:44 AM

Progress is being made even though there is no observable progress!My Canoe is always ready & waiting for it's maiden voyage! ::MonkeyCool::

I agree.

 ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 09:56:43 AM
ARUBA - The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise

Dave Holloway:

Page 1:
  I watched as she received her high school diploma, and I took pictures of her at her graduation ceremony.  I planned to be there when she graduated from college and then medical school.  My pride would have enveloped us both.  I had long imagined the day when I would see my Natalee in her beautiful white wedding grown.  We would meet in the back of the church for her last moments as "daddy's little girl" and, as she encircled my arm with hers, I would lean down and whisper the words that all fathers must say to their daughters on that very special day, "I love you."  I would walk her down the aisle and proudly offer her hand to her fiance, and I would return to my seat knowing that my girl had accomplished all that a father could desire.  At that moment, it would be clear that the first tier of her life with me had come to an end and that the man she would now look to for approval and love would be her husband.  But she would always be my little Natalee ... always.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 09:57:46 AM
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY DADDY AND GRANDPA MONKEYS!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 11:27:45 AM

ARUBA - The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise

Dave Holloway

Pages 63-64


By the beginning of August, I had already spent at least fifty days in Aruba, and it was wearing me thin.  While reports were coming from people like Jossy Mansur and others, I was quite depressed about the lack of any solid information in Natalee’s case.  There were moments when we desperately needed to regroup, but we had to keep moving forward in our search for Natalee.  During those times when we traveled back home, friends and family put us back into our comfort zone and made the days more bearable.  It was hard to take, when we reflected on college and her birthday and then pictured Natalee being buried in a landfill or at sea.  It was during those times that I would take a moment to reflect back to when Natalee was much younger.  I suppose we all do that when our children leave home.  We wish for those times when we still have them under our wings, knowing their every move, and watching them learn about life.  But, this is different from anything I had envisioned.  I had planned to someday tell Natalee’s children about her growing up years, as she would sit nearby giggling and correcting me and telling it her own way.  I would be showing them pictures of their mother from when she was their age.  I never imagined that I would be describing to the world what my missing daughter was like, the pride that we felt sharing her accomplishments, the joy she brought to us, and the terrible pain we are in now.  It isn’t easy not knowing how the story will end.  So I will continue to take my little trips back in time to be with Natalee again and to remember how happy we once were.  Although I had always cherished our memories, it is only now that I realize how very important they really are to me.  Each moment with Natalee, each smile, each hug, each “I love you, Daddy” has been a blessing, and they help to sustain me during this agonizing journey.  I can close my eyes and still hold on to my little girl, if only for a fleeting instant.

Edit to fix typos


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 11:31:31 AM
Would a mod please remove my post #912, and remove the quote box from #913.  I really should learn to not try to post until I've had at least two cups of coffee.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Okay, done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 11:38:10 AM
Would a mod please remove my post #912, and remove the quote box from #913.  I really should learn to not try to post until I've had at least two cups of coffee.

Thanks in advance!   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 I found another typo...please fix  (line 7) "supposed" s/b "suppose we all do that"

TIA

Fixed.  YW.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 21, 2009, 01:07:33 PM
Today should be a day of great reflection for Kyle Kingman,John Silvetti,Louis Schaefer & Tim Trahan!


IT'S NEVER TO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING KYLE KINGMAN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: iris44 on June 21, 2009, 02:31:27 PM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

I'll try again...
bad guys stay bad guys....that's expected.
Robin/Dave going along? Tim Miller going along?
Does it change anything at the end of the day? Delay quite possibly....
Robin/Dave....delays outcome....but probably doesn't change outcome when it is said and done.
Tim Miller? Seems to me he holds cards that COULD influence the outcome.......But I don't know all the hands playing in the game...If things are in the works that will get Justice  for Natalee....Tim Miller's hand my be OBE (Overcome by events)....
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

I don't think it's so simple as good guys/bad guys.  Tim Miller and the family have much more information than SM members and all other bloggers.  Sometimes things are shades of gray.  Where else is Tim going to get access to the equipment and services provided by Schaeffer and Silvetti?  Tim is a gatherer of resources to conduct searches.  If SM is truly a site to support the families of missing people, I think it's members need to stand behind the family and the people they have chosen to help them. (Unless, of course, law enforcement considers a family member to be a suspect). It would be terrible if the actions of searching into these peoples' backgrounds and companies caused Equusearch to lose valuable resources that could one day save the life of someone else's loved one. 

Also regarding all the tracing of links between these companies:  of course they all do business together and there are many links between them.  They are all in the same industry!  Of course their paths are constantly crossing.  Now if suddenly you notice someone OUTSIDE of their industry showing up as a board member or owner of a company, THAT would be noteworthy.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 21, 2009, 02:41:55 PM
So where do we go with Robin cuddling up with/defending aruba agenda...taking Dave along?
Tim Miller siding up with shafer/silvetti?
I also believe it has contributed to possibly delaying Justice for Natalee....but it is only my opinion and certainly not fact....
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

I'll try again...
bad guys stay bad guys....that's expected.
Robin/Dave going along? Tim Miller going along?
Does it change anything at the end of the day? Delay quite possibly....
Robin/Dave....delays outcome....but probably doesn't change outcome when it is said and done.
Tim Miller? Seems to me he holds cards that COULD influence the outcome.......But I don't know all the hands playing in the game...If things are in the works that will get Justice  for Natalee....Tim Miller's hand my be OBE (Overcome by events)....
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

I don't think it's so simple as good guys/bad guys.  Tim Miller and the family have much more information than SM members and all other bloggers.  Sometimes things are shades of gray.  Where else is Tim going to get access to the equipment and services provided by Schaeffer and Silvetti?  Tim is a gatherer of resources to conduct searches.  If SM is truly a site to support the families of missing people, I think it's members need to stand behind the family and the people they have chosen to help them. (Unless, of course, law enforcement considers a family member to be a suspect). It would be terrible if the actions of searching into these peoples' backgrounds and companies caused Equusearch to lose valuable resources that could one day save the life of someone else's loved one. 

Also regarding all the tracing of links between these companies:  of course they all do business together and there are many links between them.  They are all in the same industry!  Of course their paths are constantly crossing.  Now if suddenly you notice someone OUTSIDE of their industry showing up as a board member or owner of a company, THAT would be noteworthy.



You had to choose today to post this crap ehh Iris44! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 03:30:26 PM
snip
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

snip
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

I don't think it's so simple as good guys/bad guys.  Tim Miller and the family have much more information than SM members and all other bloggers.  Sometimes things are shades of gray.  Where else is Tim going to get access to the equipment and services provided by Schaeffer and Silvetti?  Tim is a gatherer of resources to conduct searches.  If SM is truly a site to support the families of missing people, I think it's members need to stand behind the family and the people they have chosen to help them. (Unless, of course, law enforcement considers a family member to be a suspect). It would be terrible if the actions of searching into these peoples' backgrounds and companies caused Equusearch to lose valuable resources that could one day save the life of someone else's loved one. 

Also regarding all the tracing of links between these companies:  of course they all do business together and there are many links between them.  They are all in the same industry!  Of course their paths are constantly crossing.  Now if suddenly you notice someone OUTSIDE of their industry showing up as a board member or owner of a company, THAT would be noteworthy.




Everyone is welcome to their own opinion Iris44, but I don't agree.

You really think that the fact that some "Scared Monkeys" are researching information that is ON THE INTERNET FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE would be reason to deny "valuable resources" that might save a life to Tim Miller? 

Seems ridiculous to me...that is IF they're donating their "valuable resources" for the right reasons in the first place!

Why would these people donating valuable resources even know or CARE what's going on here at Scared Monkeys?  Why would they think that Tim Miller, or anyone besides the Admin of this site would have any control over that?

Natalee's family IS supported here.  But if we have a question about anything in this case, we are allowed to ask it and explore it with each other.  And we can also decide for ourselves what information we gather is interesting or noteworthy.

That's one of the things that makes us unique from other Natalee Holloway forums. 

Plus we have a lot of different people, ideas, and opinions all working together toward the same goal.

TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 03:40:00 PM
ARUBA - The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise

Dave Holloway:

Page 1:
  I watched as she received her high school diploma, and I took pictures of her at her graduation ceremony.  I planned to be there when she graduated from college and then medical school.  My pride would have enveloped us both.  I had long imagined the day when I would see my Natalee in her beautiful white wedding grown.  We would meet in the back of the church for her last moments as "daddy's little girl" and, as she encircled my arm with hers, I would lean down and whisper the words that all fathers must say to their daughters on that very special day, "I love you."  I would walk her down the aisle and proudly offer her hand to her fiance, and I would return to my seat knowing that my girl had accomplished all that a father could desire.  At that moment, it would be clear that the first tier of her life with me had come to an end and that the man she would now look to for approval and love would be her husband.  But she would always be my little Natalee ... always.

Thank you Janet!   ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 21, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
snip
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

snip
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

I don't think it's so simple as good guys/bad guys.  Tim Miller and the family have much more information than SM members and all other bloggers.  Sometimes things are shades of gray.  Where else is Tim going to get access to the equipment and services provided by Schaeffer and Silvetti?  Tim is a gatherer of resources to conduct searches.  If SM is truly a site to support the families of missing people, I think it's members need to stand behind the family and the people they have chosen to help them. (Unless, of course, law enforcement considers a family member to be a suspect). It would be terrible if the actions of searching into these peoples' backgrounds and companies caused Equusearch to lose valuable resources that could one day save the life of someone else's loved one. 

Also regarding all the tracing of links between these companies:  of course they all do business together and there are many links between them.  They are all in the same industry!  Of course their paths are constantly crossing.  Now if suddenly you notice someone OUTSIDE of their industry showing up as a board member or owner of a company, THAT would be noteworthy.




Everyone is welcome to their own opinion Iris44, but I don't agree.

You really think that the fact that some "Scared Monkeys" are researching information that is ON THE INTERNET FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE would be reason to deny "valuable resources" that might save a life to Tim Miller? 

Seems ridiculous to me...that is IF they're donating their "valuable resources" for the right reasons in the first place!

Why would these people donating valuable resources even know or CARE what's going on here at Scared Monkeys?  Why would they think that Tim Miller, or anyone besides the Admin of this site would have any control over that?

Natalee's family IS supported here.  But if we have a question about anything in this case, we are allowed to ask it and explore it with each other.  And we can also decide for ourselves what information we gather is interesting or noteworthy.

That's one of the things that makes us unique from other Natalee Holloway forums. 

Plus we have a lot of different people, ideas, and opinions all working together toward the same goal.

TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY!


Bravo, TM!  Very well said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 04:12:47 PM


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 21, 2009, 04:44:20 PM


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::
Yes ....... Bravo!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 04:56:03 PM


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::
Yes ....... Bravo!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks wreck!   ::MonkeyCool::

One sheltie bath down, one to go!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 21, 2009, 06:44:46 PM
IRIS44

Since when is wondering if members of Natalee's family or Tim Miller may have been "duped" by members of AHATA disquised as friends, the same thing as not supporting the family?

We have always supported Natalee and Natalee's parents (Beth and Dave).  I have also supported Jug as he did his best to stand by Natalee and Beth.  Robin on the other hand does her best to stand by Reality and MIP6 who have both said horrible things about the MB kids, Beth and Jug.  That is something I personally cannot support.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 09:33:31 PM

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion Iris44, but I don't agree.

You really think that the fact that some "Scared Monkeys" are researching information that is ON THE INTERNET FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE would be reason to deny "valuable resources" that might save a life to Tim Miller? 

Seems ridiculous to me...that is IF they're donating their "valuable resources" for the right reasons in the first place!

Why would these people donating valuable resources even know or CARE what's going on here at Scared Monkeys?  Why would they think that Tim Miller, or anyone besides the Admin of this site would have any control over that?

Natalee's family IS supported here.  But if we have a question about anything in this case, we are allowed to ask it and explore it with each other.  And we can also decide for ourselves what information we gather is interesting or noteworthy.

That's one of the things that makes us unique from other Natalee Holloway forums. 

Plus we have a lot of different people, ideas, and opinions all working together toward the same goal.

TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY!


Thank you texasmom.

It appears that justice for Natalee Holloway takes a backseat when actions that deter from the cause are called into question ... actions that are related to certain individuals.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 09:35:05 PM
ARUBA - The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise

Dave Holloway:

Page 1:
  I watched as she received her high school diploma, and I took pictures of her at her graduation ceremony.  I planned to be there when she graduated from college and then medical school.  My pride would have enveloped us both.  I had long imagined the day when I would see my Natalee in her beautiful white wedding grown.  We would meet in the back of the church for her last moments as "daddy's little girl" and, as she encircled my arm with hers, I would lean down and whisper the words that all fathers must say to their daughters on that very special day, "I love you."  I would walk her down the aisle and proudly offer her hand to her fiance, and I would return to my seat knowing that my girl had accomplished all that a father could desire.  At that moment, it would be clear that the first tier of her life with me had come to an end and that the man she would now look to for approval and love would be her husband.  But she would always be my little Natalee ... always.


BUMPED!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 09:36:02 PM

ARUBA - The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise

Dave Holloway

Pages 63-64


By the beginning of August, I had already spent at least fifty days in Aruba, and it was wearing me thin.  While reports were coming from people like Jossy Mansur and others, I was quite depressed about the lack of any solid information in Natalee’s case.  There were moments when we desperately needed to regroup, but we had to keep moving forward in our search for Natalee.  During those times when we traveled back home, friends and family put us back into our comfort zone and made the days more bearable.  It was hard to take, when we reflected on college and her birthday and then pictured Natalee being buried in a landfill or at sea.  It was during those times that I would take a moment to reflect back to when Natalee was much younger.  I suppose we all do that when our children leave home.  We wish for those times when we still have them under our wings, knowing their every move, and watching them learn about life.  But, this is different from anything I had envisioned.  I had planned to someday tell Natalee’s children about her growing up years, as she would sit nearby giggling and correcting me and telling it her own way.  I would be showing them pictures of their mother from when she was their age.  I never imagined that I would be describing to the world what my missing daughter was like, the pride that we felt sharing her accomplishments, the joy she brought to us, and the terrible pain we are in now.  It isn’t easy not knowing how the story will end.  So I will continue to take my little trips back in time to be with Natalee again and to remember how happy we once were.  Although I had always cherished our memories, it is only now that I realize how very important they really are to me.  Each moment with Natalee, each smile, each hug, each “I love you, Daddy” has been a blessing, and they help to sustain me during this agonizing journey.  I can close my eyes and still hold on to my little girl, if only for a fleeting instant.



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 09:36:43 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Dave_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 09:42:17 PM

Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 10:04:35 PM

Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

You are welcome texasmom and thank you.

I may fail to comprehend Dave Holloway's trusting association with those who possess an Aruban agenda but ... when all is said and done ... he will never again hold his precious Natalee in his arms and ... for that my heart breaks.

I looked at my hubby across the table at a Japanese restaurant this afternoon and ... I saw such pride and happiness in his eyes as he looked around table at our grown kids and spouses and ... the grandkids.  He told me when we got home that "his heart was full".  In other words ... all was right with his world.  I then thought of Dave Holloway and realized that he never will he be able to say that "all" was right with his world.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 10:09:33 PM

Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

You are welcome texasmom and thank you.

I may fail to comprehend Dave Holloway's trusting association with those who possess an Aruban agenda but ... when all is said and done ... he will never again hold his precious Natalee in his arms and ... for that my heart breaks.

I looked at my hubby across the table at a Japanese restaurant this afternoon and ... I saw such pride and happiness in his eyes as he looked around table at our grown kids and spouses and ... the grandkids.  He told me when we got home that "his heart was full".  In other words ... all was right with his world.  I then thought of Dave Holloway and realized that he never will he be able to say that "all" was right with his world.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


 ::MonkeyWaa::  That's right Janet, and it's very sad.

I'm glad your hubby's "heart was full" today though.  I'm glad he had a good Father's Day.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2009, 10:27:20 PM

Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

You are welcome texasmom and thank you.

I may fail to comprehend Dave Holloway's trusting association with those who possess an Aruban agenda but ... when all is said and done ... he will never again hold his precious Natalee in his arms and ... for that my heart breaks.

I looked at my hubby across the table at a Japanese restaurant this afternoon and ... I saw such pride and happiness in his eyes as he looked around table at our grown kids and spouses and ... the grandkids.  He told me when we got home that "his heart was full".  In other words ... all was right with his world.  I then thought of Dave Holloway and realized that he never will he be able to say that "all" was right with his world.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


 ::MonkeyWaa::  That's right Janet, and it's very sad.

I'm glad your hubby's "heart was full" today though.  I'm glad he had a good Father's Day.  ::MonkeyCool::

He did and ... I did.

Eldest son, DIL and 2 1/2 year old grandson surprised us by coming over from Vancouver Island on the ferry as foot passengers.  Youngest son picked them up at the ferry terminal and ... brought them to the nearby restaurant where the rest of the famly was waiting.  Hubby and I dropped the three of them off at the ferry terminal after the meal.  I wished they could have stayed a few days but ... tomorrow is a work day for both of them.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Anyways ... I am wiped.  I think I will curl up on the couch with a blanket and watch TV.

texasmom ... I hope you had a good day.

Janet
7:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2009, 11:02:16 PM

Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

You are welcome texasmom and thank you.

I may fail to comprehend Dave Holloway's trusting association with those who possess an Aruban agenda but ... when all is said and done ... he will never again hold his precious Natalee in his arms and ... for that my heart breaks.

I looked at my hubby across the table at a Japanese restaurant this afternoon and ... I saw such pride and happiness in his eyes as he looked around table at our grown kids and spouses and ... the grandkids.  He told me when we got home that "his heart was full".  In other words ... all was right with his world.  I then thought of Dave Holloway and realized that he never will he be able to say that "all" was right with his world.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


 ::MonkeyWaa::  That's right Janet, and it's very sad.

I'm glad your hubby's "heart was full" today though.  I'm glad he had a good Father's Day.  ::MonkeyCool::

He did and ... I did.

Eldest son, DIL and 2 1/2 year old grandson surprised us by coming over from Vancouver Island on the ferry as foot passengers.  Youngest son picked them up at the ferry terminal and ... brought them to the nearby restaurant where the rest of the famly was waiting.  Hubby and I dropped the three of them off at the ferry terminal after the meal.  I wished they could have stayed a few days but ... tomorrow is a work day for both of them.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Anyways ... I am wiped.  I think I will curl up on the couch with a blanket and watch TV.

texasmom ... I hope you had a good day.

Janet
7:25 PM PT


I'm glad you had a good day too with family.  I had a very good day, thanks for asking!

Since I know you are probably going to fall asleep once you get good and comfortable, I'll go ahead and say...

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::



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Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2009, 12:34:33 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2009, 12:54:00 AM

Good night Mere and Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: billb's daughter on June 22, 2009, 01:13:48 AM
Good night good Monkeys....
Justice is just around the corner for Natalee.....
Patience is where it is at.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: iris44 on June 22, 2009, 03:21:13 AM
snip
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

snip
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

I don't think it's so simple as good guys/bad guys.  Tim Miller and the family have much more information than SM members and all other bloggers.  Sometimes things are shades of gray.  Where else is Tim going to get access to the equipment and services provided by Schaeffer and Silvetti?  Tim is a gatherer of resources to conduct searches.  If SM is truly a site to support the families of missing people, I think it's members need to stand behind the family and the people they have chosen to help them. (Unless, of course, law enforcement considers a family member to be a suspect). It would be terrible if the actions of searching into these peoples' backgrounds and companies caused Equusearch to lose valuable resources that could one day save the life of someone else's loved one. 

Also regarding all the tracing of links between these companies:  of course they all do business together and there are many links between them.  They are all in the same industry!  Of course their paths are constantly crossing.  Now if suddenly you notice someone OUTSIDE of their industry showing up as a board member or owner of a company, THAT would be noteworthy.




Everyone is welcome to their own opinion Iris44, but I don't agree.

You really think that the fact that some "Scared Monkeys" are researching information that is ON THE INTERNET FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE would be reason to deny "valuable resources" that might save a life to Tim Miller? 

Seems ridiculous to me...that is IF they're donating their "valuable resources" for the right reasons in the first place!

Why would these people donating valuable resources even know or CARE what's going on here at Scared Monkeys?  Why would they think that Tim Miller, or anyone besides the Admin of this site would have any control over that?

Natalee's family IS supported here.  But if we have a question about anything in this case, we are allowed to ask it and explore it with each other.  And we can also decide for ourselves what information we gather is interesting or noteworthy.

That's one of the things that makes us unique from other Natalee Holloway forums. 

Plus we have a lot of different people, ideas, and opinions all working together toward the same goal.

TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY!


Bravo, TM!  Very well said.

I understand what you are saying, but some of the comments about Dave in the last couple of weeks made me cringe a little.
   
I just think the family and Tim Miller are a lot more savvy than some posters give them credit for.  We are not privy to all the information that they have, and IMO it is time to stop second guessing them.

We all know that people are not all good or all bad. (Well maybe a few).  Everyone respects Tim Miller so much, that some are so conflicted when they see that he is still associated with Silvetti and Schaefer, and they can't understand it.  I am merely pointing out that Tim does what he needs to do in order to get his goals accomplished.  Sometimes there may be some compromising to be done, just like in all relationships.  And the "resources" he gets from Schaefer a huge.  Who else is donating a big ship with sonar equipment?  Who cares why he donates it?  Tim Miller doesn't care why.  And you just never know when someone donating something will decide not to anymore.  Why take the chance?  Most of these not-for-profits are operating on very tight budgets. We just heard firsthand from Tim regarding their donations taking a huge hit due to the report of TES receiving the 1.5 million, which he says they did not receive.  So, just that one news report had a huge impact on TES.

I remember there were some posts from Silvetti's sister saying they were upset with some of the negative posting about him; it may have been about posts from another site, I can't remember.

IMO, the conspiracy theories and cyberstalking are just a lose-lose for all involved.  Just alot of negative energy, talking in circles, and no conclusions ever reached. 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 22, 2009, 03:47:43 AM


I don't recall seeing this particular article before...So I just thought others might have missed it also....  ::MonkeyCool::



December 10, 2007  Vol. 68No. 24
Natalee Holloway Mystery a Break in the Case?
By Bill Hewitt
More Than Two Years After Natalee Holloway Vanished, Authorities in Aruba Make a Surprise Arrest: the Three Early Suspects. This Time, Officials Insist, They Have Strong EvidenceThe call caught Beth Holloway totally off guard. On the night before Thanksgiving, an FBI liaison phoned to inform her that on the strength of new evidence authorities in Aruba were rearresting the three young men—Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and his brother Satish—who have long been under suspicion in the disappearance of Holloway's daughter Natalee in May 2005. For the Holloway camp, it was a jolt of near joy at an especially difficult time of year for the family. "We have a whole new ball game," says Beth's friend Sunny Tillman. "I think it might all add up to Beth getting the answer." But Beth herself, mindful of the ups and downs (mostly) in the case, was more guarded. "I'm just kind of playing it by ear," she told PEOPLE. "I'm just waiting and watching and hopeful."

For the moment the three suspects will be subjected to further questioning, with the prosecution saying it will decide by the end of the year on whether to put them on trial. It is unclear exactly what the new evidence against them might be. According to news reports, investigators have uncovered potentially incriminating clues in a series of taped conversations among the three suspects, who were originally detained in June 2005 and subsequently released. The Holloways' lawyer has also suggested that cops have gleaned evidence from text messages and cell phone calls involving the three on the night that Natalee, 18, went missing while partying with high school friends at a club in Aruba. While refusing to confirm or deny any of the reports, officials in Aruba have made clear that they consider this latest twist a turning point in the case. "You have to have something new and quite strong" to rearrest the three, says Dop Kruimel, an Aruban prosecutor. "You don't just get up in the morning and say, 'Let's arrest them.'"

It has been known for some time that after van der Sloot, 20, Deepak, 24, and Satish Kalpoe, 21, fell under suspicion—they were seen leaving a bar with Natalee the night she disappeared—investigators had been bugging their conversations. Taking a fresh look at the tapes, investigators evidently found new information that had been overlooked. What's more, detectives have apparently analyzed the cell call and text messages that the three suspects exchanged on the night in question—and have triangulated the coordinates where those transmissions took place. (Van der Sloot now says that he left Natalee alive on a beach, though he has changed the details of his account several times.) "There's new information to confront them with in terms of their stories and the time lines they've given before," says the Holloways' lawyer John Q. Kelly.

The prosecutors also have a new take on what happened to Natalee. Whereas before the three were accused of murder, the new charge is voluntary manslaughter, suggesting they now believe her presumed death was an accident. In any event a lawyer for Satish Kalpoe scoffed at the latest developments. "It seems like they shook the file, threw it on the table and qualified some things as new evidence," said attorney David Kock.

Meanwhile, Natalee's parents are preparing once again to look for their daughter's body—this time using a deep-diving robot to search the ocean floor. Because previous searches of the island and its shallow coastal waters turned up no trace of her, there is speculation now that her body was stuffed into a weighted crab trap and dropped into a deepwater canyon that lies three to five miles offshore. A 120-ft. oil exploration vessel—named, fittingly, Persistence—with a submersible robot, its services donated by Texas businessman Louis Schaefer Jr., is scheduled to arrive in Aruba soon and begin its survey of the canyon. Until then Beth Holloway is focusing on the arrests. "I just hope," she says, "that this is a step toward answering our prayers."



Contributors:
Jeff Truesdell/Florida,
Siobhan Morrissey/Florida,
Lauren Comiteau/The Netherlands.
More From This ArticleJoran's Life in the Netherlands
While the Kalpoe brothers have kept a low profile, Joran van der Sloot has done little to dispel the notoriety hanging over him. After Natalee Holloway disappeared, his parents sent him from Aruba to Arnhem, in the Netherlands, to enroll in an international-business program. The head of his program says van der Sloot was an "average student," albeit one who was "popular with the women." When meeting other students, he openly discussed his connection to the Holloway investigation. He also showed scant regret over his conduct in Aruba, freely admitting he lied to police. Lying, he wrote in a book about the case, "even became kind of a habit, because [it] makes things so much easier."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20170898,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 22, 2009, 09:17:43 AM
Lifesong - I'm SO glad to see you back at SM!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 22, 2009, 09:25:37 AM
Good morning Monkeys!


Hypocrisy.

That is the word of the day today - hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is when a member of another message board whose members participate in cyber-stalking (to the point of creating a blog for such.....HI SS and Destiny!!) comes here and accuses SM members of doing the same.

Hypocrisy is when people join a message board run by a woman they have such contempt for, and have posted publicly and openly about that contempt.

Hypocrisy is when a woman defends Dave's wife for having praised, defended, and lauded the actions of those who are not only disturbingly atrocious, but downright cruel, disingenuous and outright lying about the rest of Natalee's family - all the while stating her board "supports Natalee's family".

Hypocrisy is when the actions of a "search" vessel are applauded for doing the ONE THING everyone who has followed this tragedy for the last four years KNOWS you should NEVER do - turn over evidence gathering to Aruba.

Hypocrisy.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 22, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
snip
I do know believe aruba agenda IS the driving force that has prevented Justice for Natalee......

snip
I guess that leaves to......believing in patience......

I don't think it's so simple as good guys/bad guys.  Tim Miller and the family have much more information than SM members and all other bloggers.  Sometimes things are shades of gray.  Where else is Tim going to get access to the equipment and services provided by Schaeffer and Silvetti?  Tim is a gatherer of resources to conduct searches.  If SM is truly a site to support the families of missing people, I think it's members need to stand behind the family and the people they have chosen to help them. (Unless, of course, law enforcement considers a family member to be a suspect). It would be terrible if the actions of searching into these peoples' backgrounds and companies caused Equusearch to lose valuable resources that could one day save the life of someone else's loved one. 

Also regarding all the tracing of links between these companies:  of course they all do business together and there are many links between them.  They are all in the same industry!  Of course their paths are constantly crossing.  Now if suddenly you notice someone OUTSIDE of their industry showing up as a board member or owner of a company, THAT would be noteworthy.




Everyone is welcome to their own opinion Iris44, but I don't agree.

You really think that the fact that some "Scared Monkeys" are researching information that is ON THE INTERNET FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE would be reason to deny "valuable resources" that might save a life to Tim Miller? 

Seems ridiculous to me...that is IF they're donating their "valuable resources" for the right reasons in the first place!

Why would these people donating valuable resources even know or CARE what's going on here at Scared Monkeys?  Why would they think that Tim Miller, or anyone besides the Admin of this site would have any control over that?

Natalee's family IS supported here.  But if we have a question about anything in this case, we are allowed to ask it and explore it with each other.  And we can also decide for ourselves what information we gather is interesting or noteworthy.

That's one of the things that makes us unique from other Natalee Holloway forums. 

Plus we have a lot of different people, ideas, and opinions all working together toward the same goal.

TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY!


Bravo, TM!  Very well said.

I understand what you are saying, but some of the comments about Dave in the last couple of weeks made me cringe a little.
   
I just think the family and Tim Miller are a lot more savvy than some posters give them credit for.  We are not privy to all the information that they have, and IMO it is time to stop second guessing them.

We all know that people are not all good or all bad. (Well maybe a few).  Everyone respects Tim Miller so much, that some are so conflicted when they see that he is still associated with Silvetti and Schaefer, and they can't understand it.  I am merely pointing out that Tim does what he needs to do in order to get his goals accomplished.   Sometimes there may be some compromising to be done, just like in all relationships.  And the "resources" he gets from Schaefer a huge.  Who else is donating a big ship with sonar equipment?  Who cares why he donates it?  Tim Miller doesn't care why.  And you just never know when someone donating something will decide not to anymore.  Why take the chance?  Most of these not-for-profits are operating on very tight budgets. We just heard firsthand from Tim regarding their donations taking a huge hit due to the report of TES receiving the 1.5 million, which he says they did not receive.  So, just that one news report had a huge impact on TES.

I remember there were some posts from Silvetti's sister saying they were upset with some of the negative posting about him; it may have been about posts from another site, I can't remember.

IMO, http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5441.msg848300#msg848300  Just alot of negative energy, talking in circles, and no conclusions ever reached. 


In my opinion it is the people they are trusting that we are second guessing. 

We all know who the bad people  are and that includes people who are now posting at another site.  They targeted certain individuals at this site.  They went so far as to find out about their families and find out their personal information.  Why?  We are only the internet.  What could this site do to such a rich man.  Is it like he gets up every day and says boy I hope they aren't discussing me at SM because I just can't get through my day.

It was a news reporter at a news station in Alabama who bad mouthed him.  It was not us.  So if he is taking hits it is because of that interview he did with her.

If you want to talk cyber stalking you will have to ask certain posters that you post with Iris because they are the biggest stalkers on the net.

"I am merely pointing out that Tim does what he needs to do in order to get his goals accomplished."  - Would this be like selling his soul (in a good way of course) to get the job done.  It's funny because Klaas said that the other night and a certain person didn't like what she said.  She went so far as to come on here which is not her home and make it a point to show the error.

Tim Miller needed to do what he needed to do but at some point something happened where they had to get Tim off that boat.

Tim Miller is a great man and I respect him for his non stop effort in finding Natalee and other missing children to bring them home to their families.

We are not going to stop questioning something that we see is wrong.

Kyle started it and Kyle needs to finish the job.

JMO of course.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 22, 2009, 09:32:26 AM
IRIS44

Since when is wondering if members of Natalee's family or Tim Miller may have been "duped" by members of AHATA disquised as friends, the same thing as not supporting the family?

We have always supported Natalee and Natalee's parents (Beth and Dave).  I have also supported Jug as he did his best to stand by Natalee and Beth.  Robin on the other hand does her best to stand by Reality and MIP6 who have both said horrible things about the MB kids, Beth and Jug.  That is something I personally cannot support.

Iris44 - my post above too simple to reply to?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 22, 2009, 09:38:40 AM
I'm really stumped by what Tim said to Dana about having raised money/not having raised money (1.5 mil), and believing THAT reporting error is what dried up their donations.

I wonder if Tim realizes the probability of the ACTUAL reason donations to TES dried up, was the news of his continued association with a known criminal and liar - Louis Schaefer, and a man who turned his back on what both Kyle and Tim felt were the remains of Natalee - John Silvetti.

I know that made my stomach turn, and I know I was far from the only person who felt/feels that way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 22, 2009, 09:49:54 AM
I'm really stumped by what Tim said to Dana about having raised money/not having raised money (1.5 mil), and believing THAT reporting error is what dried up their donations.

I wonder if Tim realizes the probability of the ACTUAL reason donations to TES dried up, was the news of his continued association with a known criminal and liar - Louis Schaefer, and a man who turned his back on what both Kyle and Tim felt were the remains of Natalee - John Silvetti.

I know that made my stomach turn, and I know I was far from the only person who felt/feels that way.

I doubt that's the reason donations have dried up because most don't even follow the NH case any more.  More likely do to the following:

1.  The economy

2.  Seems like recently TES pulled out of a couple of searches (Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings and there was another he backed out of going to in another state..I forget the name of the case right now).  Judging by some of the comments I see about TES on the front page of SM and as I read around people have been disenchanted with TES of late.

3.  That 1.5million Tim Miller says he needs Jen Hale swears that Tim himself told her they had.  Tim says no, Jen says yes.  Confusing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 10:46:08 AM
I'm really stumped by what Tim said to Dana about having raised money/not having raised money (1.5 mil), and believing THAT reporting error is what dried up their donations.

I wonder if Tim realizes the probability of the ACTUAL reason donations to TES dried up, was the news of his continued association with a known criminal and liar - Louis Schaefer, and a man who turned his back on what both Kyle and Tim felt were the remains of Natalee - John Silvetti.

I know that made my stomach turn, and I know I was far from the only person who felt/feels that way.

I doubt that's the reason donations have dried up because most don't even follow the NH case any more.  More likely do to the following:

1.  The economy

2.  Seems like recently TES pulled out of a couple of searches (Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings and there was another he backed out of going to in another state..I forget the name of the case right now).  Judging by some of the comments I see about TES on the front page of SM and as I read around people have been disenchanted with TES of late.

3.  That 1.5million Tim Miller says he needs Jen Hale swears that Tim himself told her they had.  Tim says no, Jen says yes.  Confusing.


I agree Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
Good morning Monkeys!


Hypocrisy.

That is the word of the day today - hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is when a member of another message board whose members participate in cyber-stalking (to the point of creating a blog for such.....HI SS and Destiny!!) comes here and accuses SM members of doing the same.

Hypocrisy is when people join a message board run by a woman they have such contempt for, and have posted publicly and openly about that contempt.

Hypocrisy is when a woman defends Dave's wife for having praised, defended, and lauded the actions of those who are not only disturbingly atrocious, but downright cruel, disingenuous and outright lying about the rest of Natalee's family - all the while stating her board "supports Natalee's family".

Hypocrisy is when the actions of a "search" vessel are applauded for doing the ONE THING everyone who has followed this tragedy for the last four years KNOWS you should NEVER do - turn over evidence gathering to Aruba.

Hypocrisy.



I agree.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 22, 2009, 10:55:25 AM
I'm really stumped by what Tim said to Dana about having raised money/not having raised money (1.5 mil), and believing THAT reporting error is what dried up their donations.

I wonder if Tim realizes the probability of the ACTUAL reason donations to TES dried up, was the news of his continued association with a known criminal and liar - Louis Schaefer, and a man who turned his back on what both Kyle and Tim felt were the remains of Natalee - John Silvetti.

I know that made my stomach turn, and I know I was far from the only person who felt/feels that way.

I doubt that's the reason donations have dried up because most don't even follow the NH case any more.  More likely do to the following:

1.  The economy

2.  Seems like recently TES pulled out of a couple of searches (Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings and there was another he backed out of going to in another state..I forget the name of the case right now).  Judging by some of the comments I see about TES on the front page of SM and as I read around people have been disenchanted with TES of late.

3.  That 1.5million Tim Miller says he needs Jen Hale swears that Tim himself told her they had.  Tim says no, Jen says yes.  Confusing.



My friend, Janice, who has never followed Natalee's case, but knows that I do, saw the segment with Tim Miller and Jennifer Hale.
She said that Tim did say they had raised the 1.5 million and also that they were going back with a 360ft. boat out of Trinidad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 10:56:31 AM
I'm really stumped by what Tim said to Dana about having raised money/not having raised money (1.5 mil), and believing THAT reporting error is what dried up their donations.

I wonder if Tim realizes the probability of the ACTUAL reason donations to TES dried up, was the news of his continued association with a known criminal and liar - Louis Schaefer, and a man who turned his back on what both Kyle and Tim felt were the remains of Natalee - John Silvetti.

I know that made my stomach turn, and I know I was far from the only person who felt/feels that way.


I doubt that's the reason donations have dried up because most don't even follow the NH case any more.  More likely do to the following:

1.  The economy

2.  Seems like recently TES pulled out of a couple of searches (Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings and there was another he backed out of going to in another state..I forget the name of the case right now).  Judging by some of the comments I see about TES on the front page of SM and as I read around people have been disenchanted with TES of late.

3.  That 1.5million Tim Miller says he needs Jen Hale swears that Tim himself told her they had.  Tim says no, Jen says yes.  Confusing.


In March ... I received permission from Jen Hale to post the following.

Janet

+++++++


EMAIL - JEN HALE

Subject: RE: NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:43:48 -0400
From: JHale@wvtm.com
To:

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website.  I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset ... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 11:03:59 AM
Lifesong

I have missed you.  I hope all is well

This wannabe detective has been speculating ... speculating that you have been working hard behind the scenes on another timeline.  If not ... what are you waiting for.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 22, 2009, 11:26:38 AM
Good morning, everyone.  Having been away for a few days, I spent some time late last night trying to catch up here.  Texasmom may have already posted this (I know I saw something last night   ::MonkeyConfused::  ), so my apology if a repeat. 

I did pic up that I missed the ethiks & spelling seminar while gone, though.

******

Swine flu sends cruise ship home early to Aruba
By MARGARET WEVER
Associated Press Writer
Jun 21, 2009 - 14:39:06 CDT
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — A Caribbean cruise spoiled by a swine flu outbreak ended amid a swarm of masked medical workers on Friday, and broader fears about the pandemic’s spread in the region prompted cancellation of a 26-nation sports festival.

Helicopters buzzed overhead and Coast Guard boats flanked the Ocean Dream as passengers disembarked into a dockside terminal in Aruba, where nearly a dozen health officials shrouded in white clothes and wearing masks checked them for symptoms.

“You come back from a cruise, you’re on vacation, and it feels like you’re on a boat full of lepers,” said Isabel Duque, 48, of Madrid.

Three crew members tested positive for the H1N1 influenza and 11 others showed symptoms during the voyage that started June 12 in Aruba.

That led port authorities in Grenada and Barbados to block the ship’s scheduled stops and forced cancellation of a cruise that had been slated to start Friday aboard the ship, which has a capacity of 1,350 passengers.

The Dutch territory’s Health Ministry said it was examining the roughly 400 returning passengers and an equal number of crew members as a precaution, though officials declined to say if tests had revealed new cases.

Swabs were taken from those who showed basic flu signs such as cough and fever. If a preliminary test comes back positive, officials said, the person will be kept under surveillance on the ship along with people with confirmed cases.

Passengers judged healthy will be driven to the airport, officials said. “The intention is for everyone to leave (the island) today,” said Bibi Arends, director of the emergency management committee, adding that crew members will remain aboard.

The scramble to isolate a few confirmed cases of the disease showed the concern that the disease has roused among officials in a region that depends heavily on its reputation for carefree tourism.

Another Caribbean nation, Trinidad and Tobago, announced Friday it was canceling next month’s inaugural Caribbean Games due to the risk swine flu could spread among athletes and supporters.

The 26-nation tournament was supposed to feature athletes such as Trinidad’s Olympic silver-medal sprinter Richard Thompson and rising 400-meter runner Renny Quow, as well as Cuba’s famed boxing team.

At least a dozen participants in a Trinidad volleyball tournament last week, including players from Trinidadian and Suriname, tested positive for H1N1 influenza.

The Ocean Dream’s Spanish operator Pullmantur, a subsidiary of Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd., had to cancel a weeklong cruise scheduled to start on Friday and some 250 passengers booked on that trip have agreed to a weeklong vacation on the island instead, according to a company spokeswoman who spoke on condition of anonymity due to company rules.

Aruban authorities will not allow the ship to depart before Tuesday unless the World Health Organization clears it for travel, said Edison Briesen, transport and tourism minister.

The ship’s next scheduled departure is June 26.

Duque said the strain of the flu crisis took a toll on the crew.

“Their mental state has changed,” she said. “Their faces are not the same...they don’t have the joy they had at the beginning. These poor people seem like zombies.”

Venezuelan authorities said 381 passengers, mostly Venezuelans but including 55 foreigners, got off the ship Wednesday night at Venezuela’s Isla Margarita. The ship company said that was the final destination of the Venezuelans.

One Venezuelan and one Argentine among those disembarking showed possible swine flu symptoms and were separated from the others, Deputy Health Minister Nancy Perez told government television.

Pullmantur said in a statement that the crew members with flu “are suffering mild symptoms and are recovering as expected.”

The company said the passengers, most from Spain and Latin America, would receive a partial refund.

Associated Press writer Danica Coto contributed from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 22, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
IRIS44

"I remember there were some posts from Silvetti's sister saying they were upset with some of the negative posting about him; it may have been about posts from another site, I can't remember."

"IMO, the conspiracy theories and cyberstalking are just a lose-lose for all involved.  Just alot of negative energy, talking in circles, and no conclusions ever reached."

KTF

Sit down with the FBI & give full disclosure in regards to the events surrounding the search in Aruba,as well as all the ship logs..If Silvetti needs attorneys.There's your answer!

Again..Where are the conspiracy theories?People at SM have been cyberstalked from those you associate with IRIS44!I say to you IRIS44.There will be conclusions.Those on the recieveing end of those knocks on the door better have thier diapers ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 12:29:56 PM

<snipped>

We all know that people are not all good or all bad. (Well maybe a few).  Everyone respects Tim Miller so much, that some are so conflicted when they see that he is still associated with Silvetti and Schaefer, and they can't understand it.  I am merely pointing out that Tim does what he needs to do in order to get his goals accomplished.  Sometimes there may be some compromising to be done, just like in all relationships.  And the "resources" he gets from Schaefer a huge.  Who else is donating a big ship with sonar equipment?  Who cares why he donates it?  Tim Miller doesn't care why.

<snipped> 


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Iris

Are you implying that Tim Miller ongoing silence rather than exposing John Silvetti's betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family is a justified compromise when the big picture of missing persons' searches are considered?

Janet

++++++


DATELINE TRANSCRIPT

Dateline NBC - February 22, 2008


Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.

Chris Hansen: So, you're thinking-- you're thinking at this point--

Tim Miller: I’m thinking at this point, "Oh, my God, maybe we've got something. Maybe we've got something." ...

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


DATELINE TRANSCRIPT

Dateline NBC - February 22, 2008


Dave Holloway: I got a phone call from Tim.

Chris Hansen: And what'd he say?

Dave Holloway: He told me, he said, "Dave, we found her."

Chris Hansen: "We found her?"

Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it.  This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 12:39:30 PM
REMINDER


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 22, 2009, 12:44:26 PM
REMINDER


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
Well Kyle,  You are not the only one being haunted!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 22, 2009, 12:52:48 PM
REMINDER


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
Another thing... what is all this WE stuff?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 22, 2009, 12:54:14 PM
Lifesong - I'm SO glad to see you back at SM!!
Ditto!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 22, 2009, 01:31:46 PM
REMINDER


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
Another thing... what is all this WE stuff?  ::MonkeyEek::

Exactly, hotping.  This is contrary to other quotes we've read, if I'm not mistaken.

 :2thinky: :scratch:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 01:49:37 PM
REMINDER


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
Another thing... what is all this WE stuff?  ::MonkeyEek::

Exactly, hotping.  This is contrary to other quotes we've read, if I'm not mistaken.

 :2thinky: :scratch:

Good catch hotping.

According to Kyle Kingman's own words ... the recovery process did not involve the crew of the Persistence ... only the Arubans ... so I cannot comprehend where "we" fit in.

Janet

+++++++

THE RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:   For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 22, 2009, 02:08:19 PM
REMINDER


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
Another thing... what is all this WE stuff?  ::MonkeyEek::

Exactly, hotping.  This is contrary to other quotes we've read, if I'm not mistaken.

 :2thinky: :scratch:

Good catch hotping.

According to Kyle Kingman's own words ... the recovery process did not involve the crew of the Persistence ... only the Arubans ... so I cannot comprehend where "we" fit in.

Janet

+++++++

THE RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:   For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Hi Janet!

The use of the word WE is very strange....I wonder if the Persistence crew did a sample dive but left everything there to watch ALE...Then ALE took off with all the contents of the trap...hmmm  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 22, 2009, 02:10:36 PM
I understand what you are saying, but some of the comments about Dave in the last couple of weeks made me cringe a little.
   
I just think the family and Tim Miller are a lot more savvy than some posters give them credit for.  We are not privy to all the information that they have, and IMO it is time to stop second guessing them.

We all know that people are not all good or all bad. (Well maybe a few).  Everyone respects Tim Miller so much, that some are so conflicted when they see that he is still associated with Silvetti and Schaefer, and they can't understand it.  I am merely pointing out that Tim does what he needs to do in order to get his goals accomplished.  Sometimes there may be some compromising to be done, just like in all relationships.  And the "resources" he gets from Schaefer a huge.  Who else is donating a big ship with sonar equipment?  Who cares why he donates it?  Tim Miller doesn't care why.  And you just never know when someone donating something will decide not to anymore.  Why take the chance?  Most of these not-for-profits are operating on very tight budgets. We just heard firsthand from Tim regarding their donations taking a huge hit due to the report of TES receiving the 1.5 million, which he says they did not receive.  So, just that one news report had a huge impact on TES.

I remember there were some posts from Silvetti's sister saying they were upset with some of the negative posting about him; it may have been about posts from another site, I can't remember.

IMO, the conspiracy theories and cyberstalking are just a lose-lose for all involved.  Just alot of negative energy, talking in circles, and no conclusions ever reached. 


iris44 posted:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #668 on: January 26, 2009, 11:58:22 PM »

I've been lurking, lurking, lurking and wondering why noone is discussing the fact that TES is still working with the Silvetti Group.  Has Tim joined the DarkSide?  Is this subject off limits?  Is TES in cahoots with Silvetti?  IsTim not aware that he (himself) was kicked off the Persistence? Does he think he left on his own?  Should Kermit or the Freebirds warn Tim about what is really going on? Isn't Tim the one who asked for the donations right before the Persistence left Aruba?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.new#new


(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3038/datelinediversfromarubaqm2.jpg)

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9862/tennisshoefromcagexc0.jpg)

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

Quote from: oceanexploration (RU)

... This search is funded by generosity and driven only by the desire to bring closure to the family ...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.280

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 22, 2009, 02:19:25 PM
Hipocrit! Is the nicest thing I can think to say at the moment!

Thanks Kermit!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 02:21:21 PM
I understand what you are saying, but some of the comments about Dave in the last couple of weeks made me cringe a little.
   
I just think the family and Tim Miller are a lot more savvy than some posters give them credit for.  We are not privy to all the information that they have, and IMO it is time to stop second guessing them.

We all know that people are not all good or all bad. (Well maybe a few).  Everyone respects Tim Miller so much, that some are so conflicted when they see that he is still associated with Silvetti and Schaefer, and they can't understand it.  I am merely pointing out that Tim does what he needs to do in order to get his goals accomplished.  Sometimes there may be some compromising to be done, just like in all relationships.  And the "resources" he gets from Schaefer a huge.  Who else is donating a big ship with sonar equipment?  Who cares why he donates it?  Tim Miller doesn't care why.  And you just never know when someone donating something will decide not to anymore.  Why take the chance?  Most of these not-for-profits are operating on very tight budgets. We just heard firsthand from Tim regarding their donations taking a huge hit due to the report of TES receiving the 1.5 million, which he says they did not receive.  So, just that one news report had a huge impact on TES.

I remember there were some posts from Silvetti's sister saying they were upset with some of the negative posting about him; it may have been about posts from another site, I can't remember.

IMO, the conspiracy theories and cyberstalking are just a lose-lose for all involved.  Just alot of negative energy, talking in circles, and no conclusions ever reached. 


iris44 posted:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #668 on: January 26, 2009, 11:58:22 PM »


I've been lurking, lurking, lurking and wondering why noone is discussing the fact that TES is still working with the Silvetti Group.  Has Tim joined the DarkSide?  Is this subject off limits?  Is TES in cahoots with Silvetti?  IsTim not aware that he (himself) was kicked off the Persistence? Does he think he left on his own?  Should Kermit or the Freebirds warn Tim about what is really going on? Isn't Tim the one who asked for the donations right before the Persistence left Aruba?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.new#new

<snipped>


Iris

You cannot have your feet planted firmly on boths sides of an issue ... you have to take a position.

In January when you submitted this post ... I concede that I was unwilling to go there.  However ... in time I began to move out of my comfort zone ... take a risk and ... ask the same questions.

Logic would dictate that you and I are on the same page regarding Tim Miller but ... somewhere along the way you backtracked.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 22, 2009, 02:39:24 PM
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5333/sspostcopiedtojohanando.jpg)


SS - posted: "This is a vicious thing to do to another forum member.  It serves no gain and it is in violation of the forum rules.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.840

SS - posted: I doubt if Kermit would like for me to start posting personal information about her.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.820


RESPONSE TO SS posting personal information violating the law:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #796 1/27/09 -
« Reply #467 on: Today at 01:29:36 PM »
You folks are the biggest hypocrites I've ever met. You b*tched and b*tched about Kermit posting an email.  You yourself just threatened to sue over some alledged personal information being exposed and you have the nerve to do this! I have no respect for any of you!  While I don't believe your post, if it were true, it wouldn't change the fact that every post of Kermit's pertaining to the Persistence search has been backed up.  None from your group of drive by distractors has.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.460



After making her post at SM posting personal information she believed to be about kermit she ran back over to CNG

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* SS has been banned from SM for posting personal information about SM members!
* SS has been banned from SM for threatening SM members!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 22, 2009, 02:42:52 PM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg625934#msg625934


Dear Dave,
Come to Aruba and get your daughter's remains that are in the POND

love CAPS.









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 22, 2009, 02:44:23 PM
PICTURE OF BETH “JUST GIVE HER BACK”
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/17/justgiveherbackxm6.jpg)

JUST GIVE HER BACK AND WE WON'T EXPOSE ANY MORE! GIVE HER BACK!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 22, 2009, 02:45:12 PM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 22, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
I understand what you are saying, but some of the comments about Dave in the last couple of weeks made me cringe a little.
   
I just think the family and Tim Miller are a lot more savvy than some posters give them credit for.  We are not privy to all the information that they have, and IMO it is time to stop second guessing them.

We all know that people are not all good or all bad. (Well maybe a few).  Everyone respects Tim Miller so much, that some are so conflicted when they see that he is still associated with Silvetti and Schaefer, and they can't understand it.  I am merely pointing out that Tim does what he needs to do in order to get his goals accomplished.  Sometimes there may be some compromising to be done, just like in all relationships.  And the "resources" he gets from Schaefer a huge.  Who else is donating a big ship with sonar equipment?  Who cares why he donates it?  Tim Miller doesn't care why.  And you just never know when someone donating something will decide not to anymore.  Why take the chance?  Most of these not-for-profits are operating on very tight budgets. We just heard firsthand from Tim regarding their donations taking a huge hit due to the report of TES receiving the 1.5 million, which he says they did not receive.  So, just that one news report had a huge impact on TES.

I remember there were some posts from Silvetti's sister saying they were upset with some of the negative posting about him; it may have been about posts from another site, I can't remember.

IMO, the conspiracy theories and cyberstalking are just a lose-lose for all involved.  Just alot of negative energy, talking in circles, and no conclusions ever reached. 


iris44 posted:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #668 on: January 26, 2009, 11:58:22 PM »

I've been lurking, lurking, lurking and wondering why noone is discussing the fact that TES is still working with the Silvetti Group.  Has Tim joined the DarkSide?  Is this subject off limits?  Is TES in cahoots with Silvetti?  IsTim not aware that he (himself) was kicked off the Persistence? Does he think he left on his own?  Should Kermit or the Freebirds warn Tim about what is really going on? Isn't Tim the one who asked for the donations right before the Persistence left Aruba?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.new#new


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(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9862/tennisshoefromcagexc0.jpg)

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

Quote from: oceanexploration (RU)

... This search is funded by generosity and driven only by the desire to bring closure to the family ...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.280

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on June 22, 2009, 02:47:53 PM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?

In a legal way that is!

 ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 22, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
I understand what you are saying, but some of the comments about Dave in the last couple of weeks made me cringe a little.
   
I just think the family and Tim Miller are a lot more savvy than some posters give them credit for.  We are not privy to all the information that they have, and IMO it is time to stop second guessing them.

We all know that people are not all good or all bad. (Well maybe a few).  Everyone respects Tim Miller so much, that some are so conflicted when they see that he is still associated with Silvetti and Schaefer, and they can't understand it.  I am merely pointing out that Tim does what he needs to do in order to get his goals accomplished.  Sometimes there may be some compromising to be done, just like in all relationships.  And the "resources" he gets from Schaefer a huge.  Who else is donating a big ship with sonar equipment?  Who cares why he donates it?  Tim Miller doesn't care why.  And you just never know when someone donating something will decide not to anymore.  Why take the chance?  Most of these not-for-profits are operating on very tight budgets. We just heard firsthand from Tim regarding their donations taking a huge hit due to the report of TES receiving the 1.5 million, which he says they did not receive.  So, just that one news report had a huge impact on TES.

I remember there were some posts from Silvetti's sister saying they were upset with some of the negative posting about him; it may have been about posts from another site, I can't remember.

IMO, the conspiracy theories and cyberstalking are just a lose-lose for all involved.  Just alot of negative energy, talking in circles, and no conclusions ever reached. 


iris44 posted:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #668 on: January 26, 2009, 11:58:22 PM »

I've been lurking, lurking, lurking and wondering why noone is discussing the fact that TES is still working with the Silvetti Group.  Has Tim joined the DarkSide?  Is this subject off limits?  Is TES in cahoots with Silvetti?  IsTim not aware that he (himself) was kicked off the Persistence? Does he think he left on his own?  Should Kermit or the Freebirds warn Tim about what is really going on? Isn't Tim the one who asked for the donations right before the Persistence left Aruba?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.new#new


(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3038/datelinediversfromarubaqm2.jpg)

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9862/tennisshoefromcagexc0.jpg)

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

Quote from: oceanexploration (RU)

... This search is funded by generosity and driven only by the desire to bring closure to the family ...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.280

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 02:59:12 PM
PICTURE OF BETH “JUST GIVE HER BACK”
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/17/justgiveherbackxm6.jpg)

JUST GIVE HER BACK AND WE WON'T EXPOSE ANY MORE! GIVE HER BACK!



'Scarborough Country' - July. 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' - July. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Leroy on June 22, 2009, 03:10:06 PM


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 03:12:34 PM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?

In a legal way that is!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Kermit

SS exposed herself in November, 2008 when you first posted Kyle Kingman's own words.  She saw the truth regarding CAPS the distractor and the John Silvetti betrayal ... then abruptly backtracked.  Inquiring minds want to know why?  Inquiring minds want to know who got to her about the time C&G became her home away from SM.

Janet

+++++

SS - NOVEMBER/DECEMBER, 2008

SS

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 


Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546635#msg546635


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »


1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #726 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:52 PM »


I agree with you, Janet.  I thought a lot about it last night, after I finally had to turn my computer off and just think.  In his heart, I'm sure that Tim Miller believed what he had seen or he wouldn't have said, Bull$hit with the thumbs down.  However, he had no control over all of that pphotographic equipment and perhaps he was only being shown what they wanted him to see.  There was a very good reason why they had to get him off of Persistence before January 7th.  I don't think that Dave or Tim would have gone to Nicaragua if they didn't think it was a viable lead.  I wonder if ALE are the ones who set it all up as another one of their infamous diversion tactics

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569218#msg569218


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


Blue Moon - great reference!  I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #678 on: December 06, 2008, 01:52:46 PM »


I don't think anything would surprise me at this point.  This story is getting sicker by the day.  How could they just hand all of that evidence over to ALE and deny that they had found anything???  And, sit silently by when our FBI was sent a piece of nothing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569137#msg569137
__________


Dialogue - SS and Tamikosmom:


Quote from: SS on November 24, 2008, 10:13:44 PM


I have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do.  If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone.  ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers.  Unfortunately, that isn't what happened.  The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group.  When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream.  These actions are beyond explanation or justification.


Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PM

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.
Thanks SS.
Janet


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »


Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 22, 2009, 03:13:43 PM


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 03:16:25 PM

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 22, 2009, 03:26:19 PM


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I find the timing interesting!JMOO..The quote you're attributing to me should go to Kermit!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 03:31:32 PM
When I read over SS' posts again ... I do give her credit.  SS' immediate insight and her  ability to articulate the truth ... in regards to the implication of Kyle Kingman's own words ... was truly amazing.  She was able to connect all the dots in regards to John Silvetti's motivation to betray and ... CAPS purpose to distract.

What was behind her backtracking? 

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Leroy on June 22, 2009, 03:45:40 PM
KTF   - I really screwed up that quote stack....sorry bout that. 

I read here often to keep up with the latest developments but I do not post, just lurk....you are all very intelligent monkeys!  Because I do keep up in this thread, I am aware of the reason to *question* a monkey that is not normally a poster here.....no worries though, I'm one of the good guys  ::MonkeyWink:: 

Carry on - Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 22, 2009, 03:53:22 PM
KTF   - I really screwed up that quote stack....sorry bout that. 

I read here often to keep up with the latest developments but I do not post, just lurk....you are all very intelligent monkeys!  Because I do keep up in this thread, I am aware of the reason to *question* a monkey that is not normally a poster here.....no worries though, I'm one of the good guys  ::MonkeyWink:: 

Carry on - Justice for Natalee!

No worries Leroy..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 04:23:56 PM

The use of the word WE is very strange....I wonder if the Persistence crew did a sample dive but left everything there to watch ALE...Then ALE took off with all the contents of the trap...hmmm  ::MonkeyConfused::

hotping ... Tim Trahan was not on the boat on January 7th but ... Kyle never specified when he left the ship following the December 30th visual dive.  Could it be that Tim Trahan did another dive on the trap prior to the recovery process.

If there was nothing case related in that trap  .... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti would not turn over ROV videos and documentation to the FBI.

If there was nothing case related in that trap  ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti is not joining forces with the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds ... in obtaining evidence that can be used in a defamation lawsuit?

If there was nothing case related in that trap ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... why were Kyle Kingman, Louis Schaefer and Tim Traham attempting to make a deal with networks to expose the "conspiracy"?

It is as if John Silvetti and his supporters are hoping Kyle Kingman's words will just go away and ... give the family and those who supported the search effort prayfully and financially the impression that John Silvetti did not participate in the finale to the the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman – 05/19/08:  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now."

Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 22, 2009, 04:27:21 PM
I find it interesting that SS threw such a temper tantrum about some people
checking her name on ZABA search, yet her response to being connected to
Scubajap is to put a snorkel on her monkey.....no denial. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 04:28:57 PM
Mods ... please edit.

... prayfully and financially the impression that John Silvetti did not participate ...

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 22, 2009, 05:30:24 PM
I find it interesting that SS threw such a temper tantrum about some people
checking her name on ZABA search, yet her response to being connected to
Scubajap is to put a snorkel on her monkey.....no denial. ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm still mulling over the question you asked the other day about Reality/Clive/bartender.....

And laughing my behind off at the immediate actions by SS and Rosalie after my posts last week.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 22, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5333/sspostcopiedtojohanando.jpg)


SS - posted: "This is a vicious thing to do to another forum member.  It serves no gain and it is in violation of the forum rules.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.840

SS - posted: I doubt if Kermit would like for me to start posting personal information about her.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.820


RESPONSE TO SS posting personal information violating the law:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #796 1/27/09 -
« Reply #467 on: Today at 01:29:36 PM »
You folks are the biggest hypocrites I've ever met. You b*tched and b*tched about Kermit posting an email.  You yourself just threatened to sue over some alledged personal information being exposed and you have the nerve to do this! I have no respect for any of you!  While I don't believe your post, if it were true, it wouldn't change the fact that every post of Kermit's pertaining to the Persistence search has been backed up.  None from your group of drive by distractors has.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.460



After making her post at SM posting personal information she believed to be about kermit she ran back over to CNG

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2591/ssranovertocngaftermakigr5.jpg)


* SS has been banned from SM for posting personal information about SM members!
* SS has been banned from SM for threatening SM members!





S.S. is ((edit))?  Any connection to a Smith from Aruba (is it Rob?).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 22, 2009, 07:27:53 PM
I am sorry for posting that name but it was at the top right of the post that Kermit made. Sorry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 22, 2009, 07:35:58 PM
Did BlueMoon say something?

Keepthefaith, Magnolia, Puzzler, Mere and 16 Guests  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 22, 2009, 07:44:47 PM
I am sorry for posting that name but it was at the top right of the post that Kermit made. Sorry.

I don't do facebook, but someone can check his friends

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rob-Smith/728079860


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 08:51:39 PM

S.S. is ((edit))?  Any connection to a Smith from Aruba (is it Rob?).

Blue Moon

When you consider the words of SS in her posts of November, 2008 and December, 2008 submitted to this forum ... I don't think so.  She had the implication of Kyle Kingman's words all figured out.

I believe that SS was influenced by someone with an Aruban agenda.  Could it be that CAPS brought SS back into his flock when she took a risk and ... attempted to strayed away on her own ... think for herself.

Janet

++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #973 on: Today at 06:12:34 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.960



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 22, 2009, 10:15:57 PM

S.S. is ((edit))?  Any connection to a Smith from Aruba (is it Rob?).

Blue Moon

When you consider the words of SS in her posts of November, 2008 and December, 2008 submitted to this forum ... I don't think so.  She had the implication of Kyle Kingman's words all figured out.

I believe that SS was influenced by someone with an Aruban agenda.  Could it be that CAPS brought SS back into his flock when she took a risk and ... attempted to strayed away on her own ... think for herself.

Janet

++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #973 on: Today at 06:12:34 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.960



Thanks Janet.  I guess I have a LOT of catching up to do so I do believe I will stay off in the background for my own self-punishment. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 10:25:19 PM

S.S. is ((edit))?  Any connection to a Smith from Aruba (is it Rob?).

Blue Moon

When you consider the words of SS in her posts of November, 2008 and December, 2008 submitted to this forum ... I don't think so.  She had the implication of Kyle Kingman's words all figured out.

I believe that SS was influenced by someone with an Aruban agenda.  Could it be that CAPS brought SS back into his flock when she took a risk and ... attempted to strayed away on her own ... think for herself.

Janet

++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #973 on: Today at 06:12:34 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.960



Thanks Janet.  I guess I have a LOT of catching up to do so I do believe I will stay off in the background for my own self-punishment. 

Blue Moon

Dialogue is where it is at.

Blue Moon ... how is your sister progressing?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 22, 2009, 10:33:26 PM

The use of the word WE is very strange....I wonder if the Persistence crew did a sample dive but left everything there to watch ALE...Then ALE took off with all the contents of the trap...hmmm  ::MonkeyConfused::

hotping ... Tim Trahan was not on the boat on January 7th but ... Kyle never specified when he left the ship following the December 30th visual dive.  Could it be that Tim Trahan did another dive on the trap prior to the recovery process.
If there was nothing case related in that trap  .... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti would not turn over ROV videos and documentation to the FBI.

If there was nothing case related in that trap  ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti is not joining forces with the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds ... in obtaining evidence that can be used in a defamation lawsuit?

If there was nothing case related in that trap ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... why were Kyle Kingman, Louis Schaefer and Tim Traham attempting to make a deal with networks to expose the "conspiracy"?

It is as if John Silvetti and his supporters are hoping Kyle Kingman's words will just go away and ... give the family and those who supported the search effort prayfully and financially the impression that John Silvetti did not participate in the finale to the the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman – 05/19/08:  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now."

Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


I believe that Tim Trahan could have made a second dive.....  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 22, 2009, 10:40:49 PM

The use of the word WE is very strange....I wonder if the Persistence crew did a sample dive but left everything there to watch ALE...Then ALE took off with all the contents of the trap...hmmm  ::MonkeyConfused::

hotping ... Tim Trahan was not on the boat on January 7th but ... Kyle never specified when he left the ship following the December 30th visual dive.  Could it be that Tim Trahan did another dive on the trap prior to the recovery process.
If there was nothing case related in that trap  .... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti would not turn over ROV videos and documentation to the FBI.

If there was nothing case related in that trap  ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti is not joining forces with the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds ... in obtaining evidence that can be used in a defamation lawsuit?

If there was nothing case related in that trap ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... why were Kyle Kingman, Louis Schaefer and Tim Traham attempting to make a deal with networks to expose the "conspiracy"?

It is as if John Silvetti and his supporters are hoping Kyle Kingman's words will just go away and ... give the family and those who supported the search effort prayfully and financially the impression that John Silvetti did not participate in the finale to the the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman – 05/19/08:  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now."

Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


I believe that Tim Trahan could have made a second dive.....  ::MonkeyCool::

I believe you could be right.  I believe that Kyle's words may have been orchestrated.....just my thoughts at the moment and at other times.  I just cannot prove them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 22, 2009, 10:45:24 PM

S.S. is ((edit))?  Any connection to a Smith from Aruba (is it Rob?).

Blue Moon

When you consider the words of SS in her posts of November, 2008 and December, 2008 submitted to this forum ... I don't think so.  She had the implication of Kyle Kingman's words all figured out.

I believe that SS was influenced by someone with an Aruban agenda.  Could it be that CAPS brought SS back into his flock when she took a risk and ... attempted to strayed away on her own ... think for herself.

Janet

++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #973 on: Today at 06:12:34 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.960



Thanks Janet.  I guess I have a LOT of catching up to do so I do believe I will stay off in the background for my own self-punishment. 

No staying in the background allowed.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 22, 2009, 10:51:22 PM

S.S. is ((edit))?  Any connection to a Smith from Aruba (is it Rob?).

Blue Moon

When you consider the words of SS in her posts of November, 2008 and December, 2008 submitted to this forum ... I don't think so.  She had the implication of Kyle Kingman's words all figured out.

I believe that SS was influenced by someone with an Aruban agenda.  Could it be that CAPS brought SS back into his flock when she took a risk and ... attempted to strayed away on her own ... think for herself.

Janet

++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #973 on: Today at 06:12:34 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.960



Thanks Janet.  I guess I have a LOT of catching up to do so I do believe I will stay off in the background for my own self-punishment. 

No staying in the background allowed.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWink::   So true, San.  I'm sorry I didn't tell Blue Moon that.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 22, 2009, 11:07:47 PM

The use of the word WE is very strange....I wonder if the Persistence crew did a sample dive but left everything there to watch ALE...Then ALE took off with all the contents of the trap...hmmm  ::MonkeyConfused::

hotping ... Tim Trahan was not on the boat on January 7th but ... Kyle never specified when he left the ship following the December 30th visual dive.  Could it be that Tim Trahan did another dive on the trap prior to the recovery process.
If there was nothing case related in that trap  .... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti would not turn over ROV videos and documentation to the FBI.

If there was nothing case related in that trap  ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti is not joining forces with the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds ... in obtaining evidence that can be used in a defamation lawsuit?

If there was nothing case related in that trap ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... why were Kyle Kingman, Louis Schaefer and Tim Traham attempting to make a deal with networks to expose the "conspiracy"?

It is as if John Silvetti and his supporters are hoping Kyle Kingman's words will just go away and ... give the family and those who supported the search effort prayfully and financially the impression that John Silvetti did not participate in the finale to the the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman – 05/19/08:  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now."

Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


I believe that Tim Trahan could have made a second dive.....  ::MonkeyCool::

I believe you could be right.  I believe that Kyle's words may have been orchestrated.....just my thoughts at the moment and at other times.  I just cannot prove them.
My thoughts were that it was a slip up on Kyle's part that He did not consciously mean to say WE.....JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 11:25:18 PM
REMINDER


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

When other quotes of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the recovery process are considered ... I believe that the "we" in the above quote was just of poor choice of wording.  Until Kyle Kingman realized that the samples were not going to be brought on board the Persistence by the Aruban divers ... he was under the impression it was a joint venture.

IMO

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 22, 2009, 11:30:25 PM

S.S. is ((edit))?  Any connection to a Smith from Aruba (is it Rob?).

Blue Moon

When you consider the words of SS in her posts of November, 2008 and December, 2008 submitted to this forum ... I don't think so.  She had the implication of Kyle Kingman's words all figured out.

I believe that SS was influenced by someone with an Aruban agenda.  Could it be that CAPS brought SS back into his flock when she took a risk and ... attempted to strayed away on her own ... think for herself.

Janet

++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #973 on: Today at 06:12:34 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.960



Thanks Janet.  I guess I have a LOT of catching up to do so I do believe I will stay off in the background for my own self-punishment. 

No staying in the background allowed.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWink::   So true, San.  I'm sorry I didn't tell Blue Moon that.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   

Nothing to be sorry about 2NJ.  ::MonkeyWink::

Everyone have a good night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2009, 11:32:31 PM

S.S. is ((edit))?  Any connection to a Smith from Aruba (is it Rob?).

Blue Moon

When you consider the words of SS in her posts of November, 2008 and December, 2008 submitted to this forum ... I don't think so.  She had the implication of Kyle Kingman's words all figured out.

I believe that SS was influenced by someone with an Aruban agenda.  Could it be that CAPS brought SS back into his flock when she took a risk and ... attempted to strayed away on her own ... think for herself.

Janet

++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #973 on: Today at 06:12:34 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.960



Thanks Janet.  I guess I have a LOT of catching up to do so I do believe I will stay off in the background for my own self-punishment. 

No staying in the background allowed.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWink::   So true, San.  I'm sorry I didn't tell Blue Moon that.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   

Nothing to be sorry about 2NJ.  ::MonkeyWink::

Everyone have a good night.

Good night San.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2009, 11:35:08 PM
Good Night All

Janet
8:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 22, 2009, 11:36:13 PM
Does anyone know who Mayra Arambatzis Smalley, friend of Helen Lujuez who is a friend of Donna Oduber who is a friend of Rob Smith, is?

I'm not sure that makes a bit of sense, but who is Mayra Arambatzis Smalley. She doesn't look young enough to be Freddie's sister.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2009, 11:37:25 PM
Good Night All

Janet
8:35 PM PT

Good night Janet.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on June 22, 2009, 11:39:14 PM
Hello monkeys,

Jen:  I didn't want you to think I missed your question - we are just on at different times.  Not a forensic search (although my opinion of a forensic search is totally different than ALE) - more like "let's just move the stuff around to see if there is anything blatently there to hide investigate".   And not early on.  Reminds me of the secondary search of the VDS residence - any one of us monkeys good have done a more thorough job.

BTW, I agree with your definition of hypocrisy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on June 22, 2009, 11:46:35 PM
Hello monkeys,

Jen:  I didn't want you to think I missed your question - we are just on at different times.  Not a forensic search (although my opinion of a forensic search is totally different than ALE) - more like "let's just move the stuff around to see if there is anything blatently there to hide investigate".   And not early on.  Reminds me of the secondary search of the VDS residence - any one of us monkeys good have done a more thorough job.
BTW, I agree with your definition of hypocrisy.

sorry for the mis-type - it was a cross between "any one of us monkeys could have" and "any good monkey would have" ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on June 22, 2009, 11:50:26 PM

Just a real quick question...Who is Debbie?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2009, 11:51:17 PM
Does anyone know who Mayra Arambatzis Smalley, friend of Helen Lujuez who is a friend of Donna Oduber who is a friend of Rob Smith, is?

I'm not sure that makes a bit of sense, but who is Mayra Arambatzis Smalley. She doesn't look young enough to be Freddie's sister.

SuzieQ, here's a link to some information on the Arambatzis family.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2973.0

In a fairly recent picture of Freddy, note the name tag:  Freddy Zedan

http://epiaruba.com/mambo//index.php?option=com_ice&Itemid=54&catid=16&mode=0&PageNo=32770#IceGallery



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on June 23, 2009, 12:01:11 AM
This may be a repeat of other articles regarding the musical...

After all the hype - now 'Natalee - The Musical'
Published on : 22 June 2009 - 5:19pm | By Johan van Slooten  
First there was the TV documentary, then came the book and the film and now there’s even the musical: the tragic story of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba in 2005. But does that story really lend itself to entertainment?

Natalee – The Musical, conceived and performed by Dutch students with the Amsterdam PIPS Lab theatre company, focuses on the worldwide media coverage of Natalee’s disappearance. “It’s about the media hype”, director Thijs de Wit says. “No questions were asked about the motives that some people used to create this hype – until now”.
 
The show uses simple techniques to attract the audience’s attention: the small stage features a car, cameras everywhere, and 11 students in beach clothes. Above the stage there’s a large video screen.
 
Clips
Thijs de Wit says the musical is a performance of clips featuring Natalee Holloway, based on renowned Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries’s TV documentary, with various clips taken from the internet. “We’ve edited these images and put them in a different sequence, turning them into something completely different”, he says.
 
Hype
Mr De Wit got the idea for Natalee – The Musical after he had become intrigued by the commercial media hype that surrounded the personal suffering of the Holloway family. “Although I do recognise the intense suffering the family had to go through, there are numerous girls like Natalee”, Mr De Wit says.
 
“You don’t hear anything about all those other girls that are missing. Natalee’s case has been blown out of proportions and I don’t understand why”.
 
The show starts with a wall of thunderous music, with lyrics that are almost impossible to understand – but that’s deliberate, Thijs says. “I don’t want the audience to ask themselves any questions during the first 15 minutes of the show. They can do that after the show”.
 
Tasteless?
But isn’t it a bit strange – tasteless even – to stage a musical show on the suffering of others? Thijs de Wit doesn’t think so. “This case has already been exploited by people who were directly involved, like Natalee’s mother Beth, or Joran van der Sloot [who to many is the prime suspect], and TV and film producers".
 
“So why shouldn’t an artist be allowed to do the same and turn it into something grotesque?" he adds. "Besides, a musical is the most commercialised form of theatre, so I thought it was appropriate to use that form for a stage production that dealt with commercialisation”.
 
Frown
Mr De Wit allows the audience to frown on these things, but on one condition: “They should then consider everything else that’s been happening”, he says. “Seven million people [in the Netherlands] watched Mr De Vries’s TV programme, which was much more commercialised than this performance. He sold it to American networks for a lot of money. So who is wrong here?”.
 
Mock the subject
The show’s audiences have responded well to the musical. “The singing was good and the show was less serious than I’d expected”, says one spectator. Some people do wonder whether it's a good thing to stage such a show, but the answers to this question are positive: “You can do it the way they did it”, says another visitor. “But if you do it any other way, it will be difficult. You clearly see they are mocking the subject itself. It’s not dealing with what actually happened to that girl. This is just a fun, crazy show”.
 
Listen to a Newsline interview with Thijs de Vries
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/after-all-hype-now-natalee-musical

(http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/pictures/picture-109.jpg)
Johan van Slooten - Newsline host and radio producer


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 23, 2009, 12:02:04 AM

Just a real quick question...Who is Debbie?



Admin of BFN, Buckshot.  (Good to see you, again, btw)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 23, 2009, 12:08:37 AM

The use of the word WE is very strange....I wonder if the Persistence crew did a sample dive but left everything there to watch ALE...Then ALE took off with all the contents of the trap...hmmm  ::MonkeyConfused::

hotping ... Tim Trahan was not on the boat on January 7th but ... Kyle never specified when he left the ship following the December 30th visual dive.  Could it be that Tim Trahan did another dive on the trap prior to the recovery process.
If there was nothing case related in that trap  .... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti would not turn over ROV videos and documentation to the FBI.

If there was nothing case related in that trap  ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... in his defence ... I cannot comprehend why John Silvetti is not joining forces with the former administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds ... in obtaining evidence that can be used in a defamation lawsuit?

If there was nothing case related in that trap ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... why were Kyle Kingman, Louis Schaefer and Tim Traham attempting to make a deal with networks to expose the "conspiracy"?

It is as if John Silvetti and his supporters are hoping Kyle Kingman's words will just go away and ... give the family and those who supported the search effort prayfully and financially the impression that John Silvetti did not participate in the finale to the the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to an 18 year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman – 05/19/08:  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now."

Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


I believe that Tim Trahan could have made a second dive.....  ::MonkeyCool::

I believe you could be right.  I believe that Kyle's words may have been orchestrated.....just my thoughts at the moment and at other times.  I just cannot prove them.
My thoughts were that it was a slip up on Kyle's part that He did not consciously mean to say WE.....JMO

I am not sure what he was meaning to say, at this point.  ..thus the term orchestrated....I'm having a no trust moment with a lot of his posts....you may be on the mark as I said.  Time will tell. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on June 23, 2009, 12:10:43 AM

Just a real quick question...Who is Debbie?



Admin of BFN, Buckshot.  (Good to see you, again, btw)

U2, as well as others.

Debbie is a stage name for the internet, I presume.
Does her real name coincide with known connections?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 12:16:12 AM
Hello monkeys,

Jen:  I didn't want you to think I missed your question - we are just on at different times.  Not a forensic search (although my opinion of a forensic search is totally different than ALE) - more like "let's just move the stuff around to see if there is anything blatently there to hide investigate".   And not early on.  Reminds me of the secondary search of the VDS residence - any one of us monkeys good have done a more thorough job.
BTW, I agree with your definition of hypocrisy.

sorry for the mis-type - it was a cross between "any one of us monkeys could have" and "any good monkey would have" ...

It's always good to see you Sleuth!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 23, 2009, 12:17:09 AM

Just a real quick question...Who is Debbie?



Admin of BFN, Buckshot.  (Good to see you, again, btw)

U2, as well as others.

Debbie is a stage name for the internet, I presume.
Does her real name coincide with known connections?


 :smt102     I have no idea if Debbie is her real first name or not.   Others, who have had experience there may have more input than I.....I am reigstered under another name and have never posted and have had minimal reading time there. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 12:19:45 AM
IRIS44

Since when is wondering if members of Natalee's family or Tim Miller may have been "duped" by members of AHATA disquised as friends, the same thing as not supporting the family?

We have always supported Natalee and Natalee's parents (Beth and Dave).  I have also supported Jug as he did his best to stand by Natalee and Beth.  Robin on the other hand does her best to stand by Reality and MIP6 who have both said horrible things about the MB kids, Beth and Jug.  That is something I personally cannot support.

Iris44 - my post above too simple to reply to?

I'm giving this a bump up, maybe Iris44 didn't see it?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 23, 2009, 12:34:52 AM
Thanks Texasmom,
Started reading at the link you gave me and got very confused. I think MumInOhio got some of it wrong. In the Spanish community( and by them being from Venezuela I assume they are Spanish) they go by two surnames. The father first, and the mother last. So Freddie's name would be Freddie Arambatzis Zedan. Arambatzis being his father and Zedan being his mother. When they live in other countries they either hyphonate the names or just go by their mothers' name.













Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 23, 2009, 12:35:56 AM
IRIS44

Since when is wondering if members of Natalee's family or Tim Miller may have been "duped" by members of AHATA disquised as friends, the same thing as not supporting the family?

We have always supported Natalee and Natalee's parents (Beth and Dave).  I have also supported Jug as he did his best to stand by Natalee and Beth.  Robin on the other hand does her best to stand by Reality and MIP6 who have both said horrible things about the MB kids, Beth and Jug.  That is something I personally cannot support.

Iris44 - my post above too simple to reply to?

I'm giving this a bump up, maybe Iris44 didn't see it?   ::MonkeyWink::

She has a different posting schedule than some of us, it seems.  Irregular, imo. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on June 23, 2009, 12:38:45 AM
The crime was fairly simple...
The cover-up has been never-ending...

Just when a person thinks they have it all figured out...More questions...
Good thing there are a lot of smart Monkeys around here...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 23, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Thanks Texasmom,
Started reading at the link you gave me and got very confused. I think MumInOhio got some of it wrong. In the Spanish community( and by them being from Venezuela I assume they are Spanish) they go by two surnames. The father first, and the mother last. So Freddie's name would be Freddie Arambatzis Zedan. Arambatzis being his father and Zedan being his mother. When they live in other countries they either hyphonate the names or just go by their mothers' name.


When I worked in personnel years ago, I thought it was the middle surname that was the mother's .....guess they had me fooled. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 23, 2009, 12:45:15 AM
Forgot to add, Spain is one of the few Matriarchal socities in the world.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 12:48:03 AM
Thanks Texasmom,
Started reading at the link you gave me and got very confused. I think MumInOhio got some of it wrong. In the Spanish community( and by them being from Venezuela I assume they are Spanish) they go by two surnames. The father first, and the mother last. So Freddie's name would be Freddie Arambatzis Zedan. Arambatzis being his father and Zedan being his mother. When they live in other countries they either hyphonate the names or just go by their mothers' name.


YW SuzieQ, I'm not surprised by the confusion at all; been there done that.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I knew that many had contributed to the information, and thought you might find something helpful there.

Your input is appreciated!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 23, 2009, 12:49:27 AM
Thanks, SusieQ and everyone.  Was away for the weekend and am fading.  (tired blood?...   ::MonkeyHaHa::  )   

Have a good night.

Justice for Natalee.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 23, 2009, 12:51:30 AM
Thanks Texasmom,
Started reading at the link you gave me and got very confused. I think MumInOhio got some of it wrong. In the Spanish community( and by them being from Venezuela I assume they are Spanish) they go by two surnames. The father first, and the mother last. So Freddie's name would be Freddie Arambatzis Zedan. Arambatzis being his father and Zedan being his mother. When they live in other countries they either hyphonate the names or just go by their mothers' name.


When I worked in personnel years ago, I thought it was the middle surname that was the mother's .....guess they had me fooled. 


2NJSons this will explain it somewhat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 23, 2009, 12:54:54 AM
Good Night 2NJ!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 12:56:09 AM
Thanks, SusieQ and everyone.  Was away for the weekend and am fading.  (tired blood?...   ::MonkeyHaHa::  )   

Have a good night.

Justice for Natalee.   


Good night 2NJ.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 01:02:09 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58469.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Lampe: Aruba FATF black list '
22 Jun, 2009, 13:45 (GMT -04:00)


Oranjestad - Aruba does not meet the rules for combating laundering of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and will probably on the black list of this organization can be placed. The party says Rudy Lampe of RED in the Amigoe published today fully open letter to State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA).

In the open letter points Lampe to a national decree today in the States of Aruba is discussed. In such a national institution and the establishment of a monitoring body for casinos, a so-called gaming control board regularly. The Advisory Council would be against the entry of such an institution have advised. "Against this opinion gave the government the draft still in the States and the dictatorship of eleven in the States, which the government does not check, it will issue the international reputation of the Kingdom of the Netherlands serious harm," said Lampe, who are refers to the upcoming presidency of FATF in the Netherlands. "According to the latest audit of recent FATF Aruba does not comply with the rules to combat money laundering and Aruba will probably on the black list is actually a Dutch territory during the Dutch presidency of FATF. If the creation of the foundation still continues, in the hands of friends and family of the current government including ex-minister, who recently was convicted of violating the comptabiliteitsverordening, the damage for the Netherlands are even higher, Lampe said.

Corruption
The party further in the letter that the claims of States President Wyatt-Ras that initiative laws of the opposition are not obstructed and that the government group is indeed the government does not monitor true. Also, the recent history of Aruba, according to Lampe have proven "that corruption is not absent of government procurement. "The convictions in the Fondo case, including the ex-leader of the AVP / CDA, speak volumes. The number of violations of procurement since 2001, the MEP the upper hand, is shockingly increased, "said Rudy Lampe in his letter to the Secretary of State.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 23, 2009, 01:02:10 AM
Goodnight sweet monkeys. Way past my bedtime.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 23, 2009, 01:05:04 AM
Good Night SuzieQ!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 01:07:42 AM
Goodnight sweet monkeys. Way past my bedtime.

Good night SuzieQ.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 01:09:15 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58467.php

Aruba

Red Cross busy concert

22 Jun, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-aruba-incident-tribal-se.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - Employees of the Red Cross had their hands full last Saturday. During the concert reggae band Tribal Seeds, the ambulance service of the few times out to the first persons to help carry. Some concert completely by an excess of alcohol and other drugs. A member of the security team was unwell because he had forgotten his blood pressure medication to take.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 01:12:35 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58465.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Crime: Robberies and burglaries

22 Jun, 2009, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police have last weekend busy with robberies and burglaries in various locations. For example, the McDonald's in Santa Cruz robberies, there was a break-in restaurant in Palm Beach Bingo and a woman in Caya Betico Croes robbed and beaten.

Fast food restaurant McDonald's in Santa Cruz last Saturday night was robbed by two armed men. This is a large amount of money captured. The pair waited until an employee by the back door came out to throw rubbish away. Armed with a gun, the robbers go in and demanded the daily turnover. Allegedly is a sum of nearly 10,000 florin. The perpetrators are still on the run.

Bingo
Bingo Cafe-restaurant in Palm Beach last night is also the victim of theft. The owner discovered the burglary and the police informed. Burglars know access to the building to provide wires of the alarm system by cutting and in the vault off them. Contents of the vault was a small 15,000 florin, 1000 and several passports.

ATM
A woman was last night at an ATM in Caya Betico Croes robbed and beaten by three men. They made just gepinde money cheated her and beat her to bloedens in the face. The woman was just after midnight at the ATM of the Aruba Bank to withdraw funds. After she had her money, she was attacked and beaten by three men. The men went off on foot. The security of the main street has seen nothing of the incident. They found the victim bleeding in the vicinity of the ATM and switched the emergency. The woman who a few injuries in the face had been, exposed bled. An ambulance had to come to the victim to treat. It is further transported to the hospital treatment.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 02:14:47 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_58470.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Note police on joint facility

22 Jun, 2009, 13:47 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-aruba--korpsoverleg-_22-.gif)

 
The chief of Aruba, Curacao, Bonaire, St. Maarten, St. Eustatius and Saba were last Thursday and Friday in Aruba alia to discuss cooperation after the disintegration of the Antilles.
ORANGE CITY - The police forces of the Upper and Lower Windward Islands late last week in Aruba consultations on further cooperation after the disintegration of the Netherlands Antilles. The Chief Executive has decided on a joint note of proposals for a joint facility.

This note to the police forces in October to the directors of the islands produce, according to the Aruban police chief Peter de Witte. "The rijkswet for the transformation of the police of the West Indies to independent forces is indeed independent of Aruba, but it does have consequences for the corps here. We look now or we're not just joint, a common supply of police forces. So on the basis of effectiveness and efficiency, of course, maintaining autonomy, see if we can do things together. "
According to White there is no picture of what the corps can do together. It is decided to the joint note on the structure, organization and content of such a joint facility. "These include specialists within the police that is too expensive for a country. If we are, it is cheaper and can do it. "

Integrity
During the consultation of the chief also discussed the approach of integrity. The forces have a concept Integrity Plan 2009-2011 drafted which agreed that the program integrity of the police forces are aligned. Also if you want to learn from each other, according to De Witte. Within each corps is called an integrity coordinator appointed and during the discussions last week presentation. Decided to integrity as part of the basic police training to take. Also, according to the College more expertise in management should be created.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 02:16:04 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58471.php

Google translation:

Two athletes have Mexican flu

22 Jun, 2009, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The two Aruban athletes in Trinidad joined to a volleybaltoernooi until now fifteen athletes became infected with the Mexican flu are also infected. Anyone in contact with the athletes is reached, since Saturday when the news became known, tested.

The two young people are not in quarantine, but just stay home. Minister of Health said this morning Booshi Wever regular telephone contact with them to have. The young people make it good. At the two is constantly asked to foot a cap to wear and no direct contact with other people have.

The cruise ship Ocean Dream last Friday with three crew members infected aanmeerde, Minister Wever will depart Friday from Aruba. All passengers have been disembarked and checked. There are no new infection cases detected. Most are already home. The tourists who actually had to leave last Friday, are currently staying in hotels. All costs are reimbursed by the Spanish company Pullmantur.

Caribbean Games postponed
The Caribbean Games from July 12 to July 19 in Trinidad & Tobago would take place, are provisionally postponed due to the further spread of Mexican flu in the region in recent weeks. President of Caribbean Association of National Olympic Committees is disappointed by the decision. "We have worked very hard so far to come. We have 50,000 dollars spent on preparations, "said Chairman Steve Stoute. "We hope that soon a date can be pricked for the Caribbean games. Everything depends on the evolution of flu. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 02:17:11 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58472.php

Google translation:

Netherlands: plan of 'maladministration' Aruba

22 Jun, 2009, 13:50 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-aruba-bezoek-bijleveld-_.gif)
 
The Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten Nebahat Albayrak together with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber after their meeting this morning in the Administration Office.

ORANGE CITY - The Netherlands and Aruba come to a plan to determine what is true of administrative abuses in the island. This has been State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber this morning during a lightning visit by the Dutch government informed lady.

The plan is no investigation of corruption such as the Dutch Minister earlier in the First and Second Chamber promised. Both countries will first see if the 'facts' which the Netherlands over abuses by various government bodies in Aruba should be further investigated whether and how it may need to be addressed. According to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, the plan of action at administrative level are drawn. If the plan should be ready, is not disclosed. The Secretary of State this afternoon departure back to Curaçao.
Even Justice Minister Rudy Croes has traveled to the neighboring island for tripartite consultations on justice and governance that is taking place Wednesday. The minister spoke shortly before his departure with the Dutch Minister of Justice Nebahat Albayrak (PvdA), which together with Bijleveld had come from the Netherlands. Albayrak also spoke with the Aruban prime minister and governor and later a visit including Attorney General Rob Pietersz KIA in prison.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 02:28:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 23, 2009, 09:03:09 AM
Hello monkeys,

Jen:  I didn't want you to think I missed your question - we are just on at different times.  Not a forensic search (although my opinion of a forensic search is totally different than ALE) - more like "let's just move the stuff around to see if there is anything blatently there to hide investigate".   And not early on.  Reminds me of the secondary search of the VDS residence - any one of us monkeys good have done a more thorough job.
BTW, I agree with your definition of hypocrisy.

sorry for the mis-type - it was a cross between "any one of us monkeys could have" and "any good monkey would have" ...

Thanks Sleuth!  Do you know if it was before, or after the Gesterkemps (Klein) bought it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 23, 2009, 09:04:06 AM

Just a real quick question...Who is Debbie?



LOL - boy that is a loaded question!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 09:17:18 AM
I'm really stumped by what Tim said to Dana about having raised money/not having raised money (1.5 mil), and believing THAT reporting error is what dried up their donations.

I wonder if Tim realizes the probability of the ACTUAL reason donations to TES dried up, was the news of his continued association with a known criminal and liar - Louis Schaefer, and a man who turned his back on what both Kyle and Tim felt were the remains of Natalee - John Silvetti.

I know that made my stomach turn, and I know I was far from the only person who felt/feels that way.

I doubt that's the reason donations have dried up because most don't even follow the NH case any more.  More likely do to the following:

1.  The economy

2.  Seems like recently TES pulled out of a couple of searches (Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings and there was another he backed out of going to in another state..I forget the name of the case right now).  Judging by some of the comments I see about TES on the front page of SM and as I read around people have been disenchanted with TES of late.

3.  That 1.5million Tim Miller says he needs Jen Hale swears that Tim himself told her they had.  Tim says no, Jen says yes.  Confusing.


Other than those who participate or read the Natalee Holloway forums ... I do not think that many Armericans are aware of the controversary encompassing John Silvetti's betrayal to Natalee and the family when he afforded unchallenged possession of what could have been Natalee Holloway's remains to the enemy or ... Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti's questionable business dealings.

I do believe the last of the media attention regarding John Silvetti's in regards to the Persistence was the Dateline special which shed only a positive light on the contribution of these two men in the search of Aruban waters for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

Klaas I also doubt that Tim Miller's ongoing associated with John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer is not at the root of donations drying up for the TES organization.

Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet
6:10 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 09:21:59 AM
Mods

Kyle Kingman's remains s/b Natalee's remains

Please edit.

I am up early doing chores.  I guess I am not fully awake.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you.

Janet

Done  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 23, 2009, 10:22:11 AM
Thanks Texasmom,
Started reading at the link you gave me and got very confused. I think MumInOhio got some of it wrong. In the Spanish community( and by them being from Venezuela I assume they are Spanish) they go by two surnames. The father first, and the mother last. So Freddie's name would be Freddie Arambatzis Zedan. Arambatzis being his father and Zedan being his mother. When they live in other countries they either hyphonate the names or just go by their mothers' name.


When I worked in personnel years ago, I thought it was the middle surname that was the mother's .....guess they had me fooled. 


2NJSons this will explain it somewhat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs

Thank you, SusieQ.   I now believe that this is what I was told back then and my memory was lacking/confused last night.   It's all coming back to me.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: NM on June 23, 2009, 11:07:35 AM
Morning Monkeys.

Fondly remembering great times on this date 4 yrs ago.
paulass vanderslob was arrested today.


Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on June 23, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
Thanks for the reminder NM...  ::MonkeyAngel::

(And a quick hello to all my monkey friends -- I'm still doing my crazy commute, but always check in)


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/23/

Evening Update; Natalee Holloway
According to Fox News, Hannity & Colmes interview …

As per Prosecutors office spokesperson, Mariane Croes, Paulus Van der Sloot is being held in suspicion of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, NOT THE COVER UP. He is being held on the same charges as the previously four detained suspects.

Paulus Van der Sloot to be held another 48 hours.

*******
The Iowa Channel ; Mother: Son Admits To Being Alone With Missing AL Girl

A Dutch teen detained in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager in Aruba has reportedly changed the story he initially gave police.

The boy’s mother told The Associated Press her son now admits to being alone with Natalee Holloway on a beach. But she said he insists he did not hurt Holloway.

UPDATE: 12:15am EDT
Tonight on CNN’s Larry King, Prosecutors office spokesperson, Mariane Croes, said the following:

“Paulus Van der Sloot was arrested on the suspicion of premeditated murder

All of the suspects in custody were arrested with the same charge.
(excerpt from transcript)

KING: And why are they suspects?

CROES: At this point the general description is that they are suspected of being involved in the disappearance of Ms. Holloway. That’s the general description. But because when we arrest somebody, you have to have a reasonable suspicion of specific crimes, so at this point all the suspects are arrested on the first crime of premeditated murder.

KING: So that is — is that a charge?

CROES: At this point it is only a reasonable suspicion. The definite accusation and in American system “charge” will be made when the investigation is finished. And the prosecutor has reviewed all of the evidence pertaining to this investigation.

Also Larry King interviewed Robin Holloway, Dave Holloway and Natalee’s aunt, Marcia Twitty. Unfortunately he also had defense attorney Michael Cardoza, who really should not have been apart of this interview. Cordoza really made some insensitive comments. Transcript can be found here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/lkl.01.html

Edit: Added transcript link


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 12:35:46 PM
Thanks for the reminder NM.

Hi Sharon

Between Karin Janssen and Hans Mos ... serious/strong suspicions required under Dutch law warranted fourteen detentions but fourteen times the judiciary in Aruba deemed the serious/strong suspicion not worthy of charges.

What is wrong with this picture?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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ACCORDING TO DUTCH LAW

Arlene Ellis-Schipper - Aruban Attorney
Nancy Grace - July 20, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Aruban Attorney
Associated Press- June 9, 2005


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


THE ARUBAN PROSECUTORS - CATCH AND RELEASE

Karin Janssen

Mickey John - 06/2005:  First and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Abraham Jones - 06/2005:  First and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Joran van der Sloot - 06/2005: Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
 
Deepak Kalpoe - 06/2005: Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

Satish Kalpoe - 06/2005: Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

Steve Croes - 06/2005: Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
 
Paulus van der Sloot - 06/2005: Complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.


Karin Janssen

Deepak Kalpoe - 09/2005:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe - 09/2005: Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - 04/2006: Criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Guido Weaver - 05/2006: Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping of the teen.


Hans Mos

Joran Van der Sloot - 11/2007: Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Deepak Kalpoe - 11/2007: Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Satish Kalpoe - 11/20/07:  Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 01:32:53 PM
Prior to abruptly backtracking and joining C&G ... SS grasped the implication of Kyle Kingman's own words perfectly ... Kyle Kingman's own words which were submitted to the SM forum in November, 2008 and December, 2008.

What influence/s caused SS to regress?

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »


1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th.  I did not sleep. Few of us did. The only person able to remain completely objective, much to his credit, was John Silvetti.  In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first (ROV) dive.

Kyle Kingman:  I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat.  That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area.

Kyle Kingman:   We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 01:42:16 PM
2.  Prior to abruptly backtracking and joining C&G ... SS grasped the implication of Kyle Kingman's own words perfectly ... Kyle Kingman's own words which were submitted to the SM forum in November, 2008 and December, 2008.

What influence/s caused SS to regress?

Janet

+++++++

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman:   After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: NM on June 23, 2009, 02:37:35 PM
Thank you sharon and Tamikosmom for the clips.

I never did understand why they thought we didn't understand their system. ::MonkeyConfused::  We knew exactly what they were doing! Dijks!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: did I just type that ::MonkeyShocked:: and I meant it too. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 02:44:42 PM
Think about it.

Unlike many of CAPS supporters who fled in anger to the C&G forum ... SS initially embraced Kyle Kingman's own words ... words that Kermit posted on the SM forum.  Then there was an abrupt change of heart and ... the messenger became the focus of vicious attacks/ intimidation by SS for exposing the John Silvetti betrayal.

Could Mark Purcell have played a role in the turnaround?  Could influences from the ATA/AHATA play a role in the turnaround ... the ATA/AHATA that has been behind the internet  misinformation campaign since the getgo ... the misinformation campaign to further the coverup in the Natalee Holloway campaign?

I contend that some prodical Monkeys are being directly deceived/negatively influenced behind the scenes to adhere to an agenda that is meant to further the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice since May 30, 2005.

Janet


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WHO IS MARK PURCELL?

August 30, 2006

there is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


DAVE HOLLOWAY AND MARK PURCELL

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!

November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


Email

December, 2007


Robin Holloway:  Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...
December 7, 2007

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


DAVE HOLLOWAY AND THE ATA/AHATA

Blogs For Natalee


April, 2008

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...  

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


BETH HOLLOWAY GETS IT!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157/158:
  Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 02:55:33 PM
With assistance ... I am in the process of compiling a document/mini book (LOL) behind the scenes ... a document that comprises many aspect of the Persistence undertaking that implies justice for Natalee Holloway took a backseat.

At times I become overwhelmed but ... this morning I am encouraged as the pieces of the puzzle are interlocking and ... from my perspective ... a clear picture is emerging.

I will post the the document in a thread of its own when completed.

Janet
11:55 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 23, 2009, 02:57:06 PM
Your reminders & continued postings in regards to the cover-up are a blessing Janet! ::MonkeyAngel:: I can not fathom if you logically look at the facts as presented,how anyone would begin to defend the Arubans,as well as American Traitors!At this point,naivity is no defense! ::MonkeyCool::

KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 03:00:13 PM
After a bite of lunch ... hubby and I are off to the beach with granddaughter (7) and grandson (6).  These two muNchkins were just dropped off for an overnighter at Mama and Papa's home.

 ::cartwheel::

It is sure quiet on the forum.

I hope all Monkeys are having a good day.

Janet

+++++++

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!  CLOSURE FOR THE FAMILY!!

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 03:03:39 PM
Your reminders & continued postings in regards to the cover-up are a blessing Janet! ::MonkeyAngel:: I can not fathom if you logically look at the facts as presented,how anyone would begin to defend the Arubans,as well as American Traitors!At this point,naivity is no defense! ::MonkeyCool::

KTF

Thank you.

Keepthefaith ... it certainly is a beautiful day in our little corner of the world.  We better take advantage as rain is in the forecast for tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 23, 2009, 03:06:44 PM
Your reminders & continued postings in regards to the cover-up are a blessing Janet! ::MonkeyAngel:: I can not fathom if you logically look at the facts as presented,how anyone would begin to defend the Arubans,as well as American Traitors!At this point,naivity is no defense! ::MonkeyCool::

KTF

Thank you.

Keepthefaith ... it certainly is a beautiful day in our little corner of the world.  We better take advantage as rain is in the forecast for tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



A beautiful day indeed!Have a wonderful day and absorb the sunshine... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 05:49:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58553.php

Google translation:

However, research on corruption in Aruba

23 Jun, 2009, 16:06 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - There is anyway an independent investigation into possible corruption and mismanagement in Aruba. The Netherlands wants the love with Aruba done. If, however, refuses to Aruba, the Netherlands will independently contract for the survey reflect.

The Dutch Minister Guusje ter Horst (PvdA) of Home Affairs has today informed the Lower House after the PVV called her on the mat. The PVV wanted an explanation of the Minister after the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) had already indicated that no investigation into corruption on the island is. Ter Horst pointed out that State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) and Oduber Monday have agreed on a plan to ensure the functioning of democracy and the rule of law in Aruba to improve. Component is an examination of the administration on the island.

Bijleveld took yesterday during the lightning visit the word research is not in the mouth. They talked about a 'common plan' which is the 'facts' must be adopted. She refers to it by her in a letter to Dutch parliament cited abuses by government of Aruba. "There you have at least called for research required to adopt," said the undersecretary.

Premier Oduber yesterday did not comment on what the plan should include, except that it 'stories india "must rebut.

When asked whether the plan also includes research into possible corruption, he replied with a 'no': "The plan is not research. The Kingdom has no right to internal affairs investigations to Aruba. "He agreed that the Kingdom is responsible for the guarantee of democracy and the rule of the island. "That's what we talked about this morning," said the Prime Minister who described the conversation as "firm, but respectful and fruitful."

During that call was the Dutch Minister also handed over a package of letters combined with the subject title: 'Comments on the letter from the Secretary to the President of the Second Chamber of the State Board of Aruba. It is a collection of letters all dated recently, of the Aruban Attorney General, the head of the National Recherche, the directors of aliens IASA organization and prison KIA, police chief Peter de Witte and the Registry of the Court in First Instance. The letters are rebuttal of the Dutch State Secretary aangekaarte wrongdoing in its letter of May 25 The authorities said that Bijleveld not well informed and has made use of erroneous and outdated information in its reporting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 23, 2009, 05:53:45 PM
Gee - what, pray tell, could Oduber possibly be afraid of with an investigation into Aruba's corruption?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 05:54:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58554.php


Google translation:

Evacuation SLM device by 'mistake' pilot

23 Jun, 2009, 16:07 (GMT -04:00)

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Passengers of an MD-80 of Surinam Airways had yesterday after landing at the Reina Beatrix plane through the emergency exit because of smoke in the cabin.

ORANGE CITY - The early involvement of the auxiliary power unit (APU) by the pilot of a Surinam Airways plane, resulted yesterday afternoon for smoke in the cabin. The ninety passengers, including two babies, had just landed off the plane evacuated. Some passengers were in panic, but nobody was injured, authorities said. Emergency services were within four minutes on the spot.

The aircraft, an MD-80 charter Falcon Airways Express with capacity for 172 passengers, was flown from Miami to Aruba and around a quarter to six o'clock noon landed at Reina Beatrix airport. During or after the landing, the pilot turned too early APU which presumably short and smoke came through the air conditioning system in the cabin floated. The APU system that provides power at the time that an airplane does not fly, only after a complete stop of the aircraft be brought, according to a spokesman for airport authority AAA. After the cabin filled with smoke, the air crew decided to proceed with evacuation. Some passengers were in panic and decided on its own to open the emergency doors. Via inflatable emergency slides to the occupants left the aircraft and then ran the airport area. A few minutes later they were absorbed by the emergency.

Originally, the SLM device yesterday to fly back to Miami. The plane is to land held for repair. This morning the airline engineers were still working on it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 06:04:05 PM
Gee - what, pray tell, could Oduber possibly be afraid of with an investigation into Aruba's corruption?  ::MonkeyCool::

JMO, but he must have plenty he'd like to keep hidden!

If he didn't have anything to hide, he would welcome the investigation.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 23, 2009, 06:42:44 PM
DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER TONIGHT!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on June 23, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
Gee - what, pray tell, could Oduber possibly be afraid of with an investigation into Aruba's corruption?  ::MonkeyCool::

JMO, but he must have plenty he'd like to keep hidden!

If he didn't have anything to hide, he would welcome the investigation.   ::MonkeyWink::



If only he and Paulus had to do the sweaty man running together, what a photo op!

I hope Oduber sweats and sweats and sweats and each time he closes his eyes he sees Natalee's smiling face.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2009, 07:57:24 PM
Gee - what, pray tell, could Oduber possibly be afraid of with an investigation into Aruba's corruption?  ::MonkeyCool::

JMO, but he must have plenty he'd like to keep hidden!

If he didn't have anything to hide, he would welcome the investigation.   ::MonkeyWink::



If only he and Paulus had to do the sweaty man running together, what a photo op!

I hope Oduber sweats and sweats and sweats and each time he closes his eyes he sees Natalee's smiling face.


Me too nonesuche!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 23, 2009, 08:46:39 PM
Don't miss DANA PRETZER coming up in about 15 minutes.  Click here to listen to the show:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 23, 2009, 11:28:56 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 11:57:03 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2009, 11:58:49 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 230/231:
  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 24, 2009, 12:13:59 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Janet,
I really appreciate your reminders!
This is exactly why good Monkeys will stay the course and secure Justice for Natalee!
Good verse Evil.....Monkeys win.....with Natalee/Beth/Dave and family...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 24, 2009, 12:24:04 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Janet,
I really appreciate your reminders!
This is exactly why good Monkeys will stay the course and secure Justice for Natalee!
Good verse Evil.....Monkeys win.....with Natalee/Beth/Dave and family...

Yes, I agree and I'm glad I stopped back in.  We're a resilient group. 

Carry on monkeys.  See you later. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 12:31:52 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Janet,
I really appreciate your reminders!
This is exactly why good Monkeys will stay the course and secure Justice for Natalee!
Good verse Evil.....Monkeys win.....with Natalee/Beth/Dave and family...

Yes, I agree and I'm glad I stopped back in.  We're a resilient group. 

Carry on monkeys.  See you later. 

I agree too!  Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 24, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Janet,
I really appreciate your reminders!
This is exactly why good Monkeys will stay the course and secure Justice for Natalee!
Good verse Evil.....Monkeys win.....with Natalee/Beth/Dave and family...

Yes, I agree and I'm glad I stopped back in.  We're a resilient group. 

Carry on monkeys.  See you later. 
Good Night 2NJ!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 24, 2009, 12:45:02 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Janet,
I really appreciate your reminders!
This is exactly why good Monkeys will stay the course and secure Justice for Natalee!
Good verse Evil.....Monkeys win.....with Natalee/Beth/Dave and family...

Yes, I agree and I'm glad I stopped back in.  We're a resilient group. 

Carry on monkeys.  See you later. 
No question that we are all a resilient group and I know I/we aren't going anywhere -- but I would like for someone  "in the know" to tell us if things are REALLY cooking -- or we are just constantly "swimming up river".   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 12:58:40 AM
Good to see you Anna!  I've been worried about you! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 24, 2009, 01:00:44 AM
Thank you, TxMom.  I'm fine, just busy days.

And thanks for all the news articles.  I do read even when I have nothing to say.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 24, 2009, 01:06:57 AM
Thank you, TxMom.  I'm fine, just busy days.

And thanks for all the news articles.  I do read even when I have nothing to say.



Hi Anna, good to know you are fine.  We have been wondering where you were.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 24, 2009, 01:07:04 AM
Hey, Wreck.

You know what they always say.  Those "in the know" won't talk and those talking are never "in the know."  At this point, not sure who would actually be in the know.  Maybe no one?  We just all seem to keep trying with little to base it on.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 01:07:19 AM
Thank you, TxMom.  I'm fine, just busy days.

And thanks for all the news articles.  I do read even when I have nothing to say.



I'm glad you're alright.  You're welcome.  I'm a bit behind right now in the M & C thread but I'll hopefully have it up to date after the weekend.  

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 24, 2009, 01:09:58 AM
San,
Thanks.  Love your patriotic hat!  All ready for 4th of July.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 24, 2009, 01:11:43 AM
San,
Thanks.  Love your patriotic hat!  All ready for 4th of July.

Yes, CBB made it for me.  Soon as the 4th comes back to my regular hat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 24, 2009, 01:12:22 AM
Thank you, TxMom.  I'm fine, just busy days.

And thanks for all the news articles.  I do read even when I have nothing to say.



I'm glad you're alright.  You're welcome.  I'm a bit behind right now in the M & C thread but I'll hopefully have it up to date after the weekend.  

 ::MonkeyCool::


I'm always amazed at how many hits that thread gets.  Even now after all this time, some watch it very carefully.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 24, 2009, 01:17:16 AM
San,
Thanks.  Love your patriotic hat!  All ready for 4th of July.

Yes, CBB made it for me.  Soon as the 4th comes back to my regular hat.


Well, among other things, we found a hidden talent CBB had for I know most of us in this thread can remember when she first started doing avatars.  She has really developed quite a knack for them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 01:18:25 AM
Thank you, TxMom.  I'm fine, just busy days.

And thanks for all the news articles.  I do read even when I have nothing to say.



I'm glad you're alright.  You're welcome.  I'm a bit behind right now in the M & C thread but I'll hopefully have it up to date after the weekend.  

 ::MonkeyCool::


I'm always amazed at how many hits that thread gets.  Even now after all this time, some watch it very carefully.

Yes, it is amazing!  I've noticed "guests" there when I've been there posting even in the wee hours! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 24, 2009, 01:20:22 AM
Here's the thing for me...
I truly believe something bigger than I know must be going on behind the scene...because I believe Justice for Natalee has been thwarted by evil entities and pjk2/kj/mos/dumbpig/richardson....(feel free to add to this list...)
In my book...good trumps evil.....
I'm also naive enough (about 10 -20 %) to hope someone associated with the persistence effort is working with the FBI/proper authorities (again, behind the scene) that could result in Justice for Natalee....
kyle,tim t, silvetti, louis...I'm talking directly to you!....
If it comes to pass that anyone associated with persistence provides the break needed, I'll be the first to eat crow and praise them til the cows come home... ::MonkeyCool::
lizardwizzardgizzard and crew will address their actions with the Lord, if not before......



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 24, 2009, 01:21:42 AM
Thank you, TxMom.  I'm fine, just busy days.

And thanks for all the news articles.  I do read even when I have nothing to say.



I'm glad you're alright.  You're welcome.  I'm a bit behind right now in the M & C thread but I'll hopefully have it up to date after the weekend.  

 ::MonkeyCool::


I'm always amazed at how many hits that thread gets.  Even now after all this time, some watch it very carefully.

Yes, it is amazing!  I've noticed "guests" there when I've been there posting even in the wee hours! 


Maybe closing time for the bars in Aruba.  Or somewhere, lol.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 24, 2009, 01:27:31 AM
Good night Good Monkeys..
we are one day closer to Justice for Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on June 24, 2009, 01:35:01 AM
Goodnight, billb and all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 01:42:31 AM
Thank you, TxMom.  I'm fine, just busy days.

And thanks for all the news articles.  I do read even when I have nothing to say.



I'm glad you're alright.  You're welcome.  I'm a bit behind right now in the M & C thread but I'll hopefully have it up to date after the weekend.  

 ::MonkeyCool::


I'm always amazed at how many hits that thread gets.  Even now after all this time, some watch it very carefully.

Yes, it is amazing!  I've noticed "guests" there when I've been there posting even in the wee hours! 


Maybe closing time for the bars in Aruba.  Or somewhere, lol.   

True!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 24, 2009, 01:56:33 AM
http://www.donamaro.nl/papiamentu/index.php?pAction=tradusi



situation actual of turism at aruba is worse cu time of 9/11 y natalee holloway



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AweMaintaa062309.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 01:58:35 AM
Here's the thing for me...
I truly believe something bigger than I know must be going on behind the scene...because I believe Justice for Natalee has been thwarted by evil entities and pjk2/kj/mos/dumbpig/richardson....(feel free to add to this list...)
In my book...good trumps evil.....
I'm also naive enough (about 10 -20 %) to hope someone associated with the persistence effort is working with the FBI/proper authorities (again, behind the scene) that could result in Justice for Natalee....
kyle,tim t, silvetti, louis...I'm talking directly to you!....
If it comes to pass that anyone associated with persistence provides the break needed, I'll be the first to eat crow and praise them til the cows come home... ::MonkeyCool::
lizardwizzardgizzard and crew will address their actions with the Lord, if not before......



I'm with you billb! 

And the Lord knows our hearts, and theirs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 02:04:46 AM
http://www.donamaro.nl/papiamentu/index.php?pAction=tradusi



situation actual of turism at aruba is worse cu time of 9/11 y natalee holloway



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AweMaintaa062309.jpg)

Thanks Klaas!  I'd just made a screen shot of that too!   ::MonkeyWink::

I've noticed the addition to your avi!  The evil pair calling you names again?   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 02:13:08 AM
6/24/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

“nel oduber is one of the bandidonan more big of aruba” according declaracionnan of iron brinkman

as awemainta owing to publica yesterday, the investigacion on corupcion y bad gobernacion is follow, if nel oduber like or lag’i like. monday secretario of estado owing to tell claramente cu will come cu one plan of aanpak, es decir, one plan of accion y for succeed esey have to haci the investigacionnan. according nel oduber this not will is the caso y cu none investigacion will take lugar at we island. mirando the declaracionnan here the fraccion of pvv owing to calling the minister of binnenlandse zaken y konikrijksrelaties, guusje ter horst, cu can cierto is integrante of the faction brother of mep at the netherlands, pvda, during one vragenuurtje for give cuenta on the declaracionnan here. according ter horst, ank bijleveldy nel oduber owing to word monday cu will come cu one plan of aanpak for mehora the democracia y estado of derecho at aruba. part of this is one investigacion on gobernacion at aruba. the minister is tell cu the is prefera cu this take lugar conhuntamente cu aruba, but if aruba deny the netherlands will give orden for realiza one investigacion independant. can tell also cu the desconfianza y bad imagen of nel oduber is cruza fronteranan y this owing to arrive among another till the netherlands, caminda cu the acolyte of tweede kamer for sp, ronald van raak owing to cataloga premier odub because; “un gobernante in cual not can confia” y by of esey also past owing to ask for her investigacion wordo haci without nel oduber come across, iron brinkman also owing to show the imagen cu his faction (pvv) have tocante nel oduber caminda cu the is tell cu oduber is form parto of the ‘gobierno corupto y even is arrive at tell cu “e is one of the bandidonan more big on the isla”. nel oduber always owing to stop tell cu the do not permiti none person ofende y mirando the declaracionnan strong of iron brinkman, caminda is yame for bandido, will have to look at if the is arise one caso contra the person here. have to tell if cu already end in pasado previous to minister nelson oduber owing to arrive of wordo be similar at casonan ilicita, at proyectonan of corupcion y others, specialmente in the caso of condominio acqua, cu owing to arrive at level internacional, but here nel oduber not owing to haci nothing, by of cual will can is odd cu now if the take pasonan legal. mature is stay cu the investigacion will bay take lugar, cueste thing cueste y posiblemente the berdadnan cu tanto dirigentenan of mep owing to come is pueba sconde will leave at cla, nel oduber have cu descend cabez y permiti the investigacion, de will contrario will can place aruba under curatela!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 03:53:58 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 24, 2009, 08:25:27 AM
http://www.donamaro.nl/papiamentu/index.php?pAction=tradusi



situation actual of turism at aruba is worse cu time of 9/11 y natalee holloway



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AweMaintaa062309.jpg)

Thanks Klaas!  I'd just made a screen shot of that too!   ::MonkeyWink::

I've noticed the addition to your avi!  The evil pair calling you names again?   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::




 ::MonkeyEek::

I thought she was "Tyrrrrannical Klaas". You know, Rex's sister!

 ::MonkeyRoll::

Morning Monkeys!!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 24, 2009, 08:56:43 AM
http://www.examiner.com/x-3859-Hartford-Books-Examiner~y2009m6d24-Book-review-Loving-Natalee-A-Mothers-Testament-of-Hope-and-Faith-by-Beth-Holloway

Book review: Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith by Beth Holloway
June 24, 5:00 AM · John Valeri - Hartford Books Examiner

I’m the parent who got the dreaded call. The parent no one wants to be. The one whose phone rang out of the blue in the middle of the day, and the voice on the other end said, “Your daughter is missing.”

So begins Beth Holloway’s story, Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith (Harper, $7.99), which chronicles her efforts to find her daughter—or, at the very least, the truth about what happened to her. By now, everybody knows the details: Natalee Holloway disappeared on the last night of her senior class trip to Aruba, on May 30, 2005. As of now, the case remains unsolved.

What most people don’t know are the obstacles that the Holloway family (and friends) faced upon traveling to Aruba in search of answers. Among them is the Aruban government’s unwillingness to allow the FBI to investigate the case. (While Aruban officials did invite them into the case, they were not allowed access to pertinent information, nor were they allowed to actively investigate the disappearance.) Also, the prime suspects—Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, and Satish Kalpoe—made repeated incriminating and contradictory statements about the events of that night and yet were released from police custody. (Many believe this to be a result of the van der Sloot family ties to the Aruban government—Joran’s father was a judge-in-training.) And, infuriatingly, more than a week was allowed to pass before police searched van der Sloot’s vehicle, which Natalee was last seen alive in after leaving Carlos ‘n Charlie’s with Joran and the other two young men.

Not satisfied with the efforts of the local officials, Beth Holloway (aided by family and friends) took a proactive approach and launched her own investigation into the disappearance of her daughter. She papered the island with MISSING person posters, questioned patrons of the bar where Natalee spent her last night, attempted to interrogate the Van der Sloot family, and aggressively pursued media interest, which would later spark an onslaught of world-wide coverage. She and her group of supporters also scoured the island for Natalee, following up on numerous reports of sightings or theories about where her body may have been disposed of. Beth Holloway even went as far as to physically deliver a person of interest to the police.

So it’s sad to say that we still don’t know just what happened to Natalee Holloway. While van der Sloot has since been caught on video making what appears to be a confession to his complicity in her death, rumors still run rampant that she is alive but has been sold into sex slavery. Without a body, the Holloway family may never have the resolution they so desperately seek.

While Loving Natalee can be considered an indictment of the Aruban government, it is also a testament to the power of hope. Beth Holloway has taken personal tragedy and used it as a catalyst for change. She founded Safe Travels, and traverses the country speaking to schools, churches, law enforcement groups, and other organizations about travel safety. (Interested parties can contact info@traveledworkshop.com for more information.)

Perhaps the most lasting impression from the book, however, is its loving portrayal of Natalee Holloway. While the news media often depicted her (inaccurately) as the stereotypical party-minded teen, her mother recalls a daughter who hadn’t even experienced her first love. Who was so responsible that she never missed curfew. Who had a lifelong passion for dance. Who found comfort in her acceptance of Jesus Christ. And who was so full of potential that she never got to realize…

(http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Loving_Natalee_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 24, 2009, 08:57:32 AM
CBB and Texasmom - I just figured if the shoe fits wear it, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 24, 2009, 09:13:19 AM
That was a fantastic review of Beth's book!  Thanks Klaas for posting it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 24, 2009, 09:27:59 AM
That was a fantastic review of Beth's book!  Thanks Klaas for posting it.

You're welcome Jen.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 24, 2009, 10:55:57 AM
CBB and Texasmom - I just figured if the shoe fits wear it, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::

It doesn't fit, Klaas. We just all think it's so ridiculous that it's funny.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2009, 11:43:23 AM
Here's the thing for me...
I truly believe something bigger than I know must be going on behind the scene...because I believe Justice for Natalee has been thwarted by evil entities and pjk2/kj/mos/dumbpig/richardson....(feel free to add to this list...)
In my book...good trumps evil.....

I'm also naive enough (about 10 -20 %) to hope someone associated with the persistence effort is working with the FBI/proper authorities (again, behind the scene) that could result in Justice for Natalee....

kyle,tim t, silvetti, louis...I'm talking directly to you!....
If it comes to pass that anyone associated with persistence provides the break needed, I'll be the first to eat crow and praise them til the cows come home... ::MonkeyCool::
lizardwizzardgizzard and crew will address their actions with the Lord, if not before......



billb

Somehow I believe that there are happenings taking place behind the scene related to the trap ... the trap which may have contained Natalee Holloway's remains.

However ... when all is said and done ... I contend that John Silvetti's defence will be that he is only guilty of trusting the Arubans when he afforded them unchallenged possession of the contents of the trap ... only guilty of not fully comprehending the dynamics regarding the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

After all ... when it is considered that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway had an indepth knowledge of the corrupt investigation from first hand experience yet did not insist that a protocol was established in the planning stages of the Persistence ... a protocol that would insure an FBI presence if anything was discovered that appeared to be case related ...

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 03/21/08:
  The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
Although I do not condone Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman's silence regarding their concerns encompassing the happenings on board the Persistence as it related to the trap and ... I do not comprehend their ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti ... I do give Kyle some credit.  This young man ... who was between a rock and a hard place ...  was the one who made attempts at insuring that the contents of the trap were documented prior to disregarding or affording possession to the enemy.

Janet

+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive.  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:   John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2009, 02:38:06 PM
Unless the entire ROV footage emerges unedited ... I contend an investigation into the events encompassing the visual dive on the trap as well as the chain of custody involving the contents will come to naught.

1.  John Silvetti will concede that poor choices in regards to trust were made as he failed to comprehend the dynamics encompassing the corrupt Aruban investigation.

2.  Tim Trahan will insist that his vision was impaired on the visual dive.  He will reason that a second dive was not conducted in the followdays following as he trusted the word of the Aruban divers.

3.  John Silvetti's reasoning in regards to the absence of Tim Trahan and Tim Miller absence as well as the lack of an FBI presence on the January 7th recovery dive will be that the timing of the recovery was unexpected ... days earlier than Hans Mos and Richardson had implied.

4.  John Silvetti will insist that any underlying motives to further business opportunities in Aruban were never a conflict.  In other words ... Kyle Kingman perceived it all wrong.

Janet

++++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive.  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive. His signal indicated an inconclusive observation referring to the object said by some to be a skull, a hardened sponge by others.  What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility

Kyle Kingman:   John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

Kyle Kingman:
  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba.  This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  No one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman:  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 24, 2009, 06:08:09 PM
If it wasn't Natalee in that cage/trap, why hasn't the Aruban government told us whose remains were found?

There was obviously human remains there.  Kyle Kingman said that human remains were found.
Yet there was never any mention of those remains by the Aruban police or the newspapers.

John Silvetti could stop the speculation by explaining his actions and what was found, yet he
has remained silent

That just seems very suspicious to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 06:21:46 PM
If it wasn't Natalee in that cage/trap, why hasn't the Aruban government told us whose remains were found?

There was obviously human remains there.  Kyle Kingman said that human remains were found.
Yet there was never any mention of those remains by the Aruban police or the newspapers.

John Silvetti could stop the speculation by explaining his actions and what was found, yet he
has remained silent

That just seems very suspicious to me.

I agree on all counts Magnolia.  I have asked myself the same questions over and over and over!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 06:30:16 PM
CBB and Texasmom - I just figured if the shoe fits wear it, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::

It doesn't fit, Klaas. We just all think it's so ridiculous that it's funny.  ::MonkeyWink::

I agree 100% with CBB, and I loved the "Tyrrrrannical Klaas". You know, Rex's sister!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 06:32:11 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-3859-Hartford-Books-Examiner~y2009m6d24-Book-review-Loving-Natalee-A-Mothers-Testament-of-Hope-and-Faith-by-Beth-Holloway

Book review: Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith by Beth Holloway
June 24, 5:00 AM · John Valeri - Hartford Books Examiner

I’m the parent who got the dreaded call. The parent no one wants to be. The one whose phone rang out of the blue in the middle of the day, and the voice on the other end said, “Your daughter is missing.”

So begins Beth Holloway’s story, Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith (Harper, $7.99), which chronicles her efforts to find her daughter—or, at the very least, the truth about what happened to her. By now, everybody knows the details: Natalee Holloway disappeared on the last night of her senior class trip to Aruba, on May 30, 2005. As of now, the case remains unsolved.

What most people don’t know are the obstacles that the Holloway family (and friends) faced upon traveling to Aruba in search of answers. Among them is the Aruban government’s unwillingness to allow the FBI to investigate the case. (While Aruban officials did invite them into the case, they were not allowed access to pertinent information, nor were they allowed to actively investigate the disappearance.) Also, the prime suspects—Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, and Satish Kalpoe—made repeated incriminating and contradictory statements about the events of that night and yet were released from police custody. (Many believe this to be a result of the van der Sloot family ties to the Aruban government—Joran’s father was a judge-in-training.) And, infuriatingly, more than a week was allowed to pass before police searched van der Sloot’s vehicle, which Natalee was last seen alive in after leaving Carlos ‘n Charlie’s with Joran and the other two young men.

Not satisfied with the efforts of the local officials, Beth Holloway (aided by family and friends) took a proactive approach and launched her own investigation into the disappearance of her daughter. She papered the island with MISSING person posters, questioned patrons of the bar where Natalee spent her last night, attempted to interrogate the Van der Sloot family, and aggressively pursued media interest, which would later spark an onslaught of world-wide coverage. She and her group of supporters also scoured the island for Natalee, following up on numerous reports of sightings or theories about where her body may have been disposed of. Beth Holloway even went as far as to physically deliver a person of interest to the police.

So it’s sad to say that we still don’t know just what happened to Natalee Holloway. While van der Sloot has since been caught on video making what appears to be a confession to his complicity in her death, rumors still run rampant that she is alive but has been sold into sex slavery. Without a body, the Holloway family may never have the resolution they so desperately seek.

While Loving Natalee can be considered an indictment of the Aruban government, it is also a testament to the power of hope. Beth Holloway has taken personal tragedy and used it as a catalyst for change. She founded Safe Travels, and traverses the country speaking to schools, churches, law enforcement groups, and other organizations about travel safety. (Interested parties can contact info@traveledworkshop.com for more information.)

Perhaps the most lasting impression from the book, however, is its loving portrayal of Natalee Holloway. While the news media often depicted her (inaccurately) as the stereotypical party-minded teen, her mother recalls a daughter who hadn’t even experienced her first love. Who was so responsible that she never missed curfew. Who had a lifelong passion for dance. Who found comfort in her acceptance of Jesus Christ. And who was so full of potential that she never got to realize…

(http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Loving_Natalee_2.jpg)

Excellent review!  Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 06:35:04 PM


Janet,

Thank you for the reminders!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 06:37:16 PM


I really hope someone will make a post or two since I already hear whispers of "roboposter", and I'm just about to go check the newspapers to see if there's anything interesting.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2009, 06:41:20 PM
texasmom and Magnolia

The following transcript of Hans Mos press conference reveals Aruba's official position on the contents of the cage and ... without unedited ROV footage ... there is no proof to the contary.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Kyle Kingman acknowledged that the Arubans being afforded unchallenged custody of the contents of traps implied that the contents of the trap may never be known.

Janet

+++++


Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ...

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee ...


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2009, 06:43:32 PM


I really hope someone will make a post or two since I already hear whispers of "roboposter", and I'm just about to go check the newspapers to see if there's anything interesting.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

No way!!!

"ROBOPOSTER" is Tamikosmom official title.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 06:55:01 PM


I really hope someone will make a post or two since I already hear whispers of "roboposter", and I'm just about to go check the newspapers to see if there's anything interesting.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

No way!!!

"ROBOPOSTER" is Tamikosmom official title.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 06:58:01 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58591.php

Aruba

Aruba get to the Netherlands as UN corruption investigation continues


24 Jun, 2009, 13:35 (GMT -04:00)


Oranjestad - Aruba is considering an official complaint to the commission for decolonization of the United Nations, like the Netherlands the investigation of corruption and mismanagement continue without the cooperation of the island. "Over my dead body" reacts Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) on the news that the Netherlands even without the investigation. He maintains: Aruba does not participate.

The Prime Minister emphasized again that the Netherlands is not without the cooperation of Aruba an investigation into the functioning of democracy and the rule of law can use. Only if there is a serious threat to these two points, by the Kingdom Government on the basis of the Statute be used. But there is no question of Oduber. "Guusje (Dutch Minister of Interior, Labor, ed), ga the statute read and explain to me how the investigation will do. There is need cooperation of the Public Ministry and police that are among us. "

The enforcement of an investigation by Aruba as degradation of the self and that is the Prime Minister contrary to international conventions. He also asks whether strong Aruba still in the Kingdom so far. "They make us criminals out of everything. While we not so long ago by the same parliament as yet in the Kingdom were cited the success of the Status Aparte. If they continue on our shovels, a time that we the people should or we should not look like steps. "Oduber said that it is a good thing would be if Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) the case is already pending in the UN committee in London. Bang it in any case. "I keep quiet to see how they do, because we are not. If USA then take action against Aruba, or that we see. "

Empire Ministers
The plenipotentiary of Aruba in the Netherlands, Frido Croes will today an official response from Aruba release, among other things again the issue of salary increase for Members of the Common Court of Justice (and Public Ministry) is cited. Aruba find that in a corruption investigation into the role of the Government Ministers are to be included. That would have failed in its adoption, approval given. The adoption of the new salary / status is counter to the laws established, says Aruba. Indeed, the Antillean Government in this first consultation should consult with Aruba. According to Aruba, the judges also own Land Acts drafted administrative personnel procedures and then directly to the Antillean Minister of Justice submitted. This has then to ratify the decisions by the governor. Aruba does have an oral question raised by the Dutch Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin. There is no action taken.

Plan
Premier Oduber said this morning that despite the escalation of now, he talks with the Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) last Monday was still positive. "We have good agreements. The problem is that in this case her boss, she must answer to the Lower House and then they let us fall. "Oduber think there is much about this type of presentation, then to transmit. "Because every time we produce, it seems as if they hear other things and is different on paper." He has promised Bijleveld Monday it agreed that the 'plan' to the functioning of democracy and rule of law is improving after the election is in September.
 

Thug
The statement by the Dutch PVV-parliamentarian Hero Brinkman - they said Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) is one of the biggest criminals of the island - mainly to the party-minded media Aruba violent reactions sigh. Solo di Pueblo newspaper headlines on the front page: "Brink Mans mother is a crook!". Oduber said that there should be an investigation needed to Brinkman itself. "Ask him why he left the police force. If we are criminals, he is the crook of the police. "Politicians of the opposition have also responded positively to the forthcoming review of the Netherlands. "Nel is now in its horns caught," said parliamentarian Otmar Oduber (AVP) referring to the nickname of Oduber, the Prime Minister will be "old bull" said. RED says Dutch Minister Guusje ter Horst support: "The cabinet has Oduber international image of Aruba damaged."

 

PG 'biased'
According to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) is the Netherlands that the Aruban Attorney General Rob Pietersz (PG) in a working group, which initially Aruba together with the Netherlands wanted to do a corruption investigation. Oduber had this earlier in a letter to his Dutch colleague Jan Peter Balkenende made. An Aruban-Dutch working group among more members of the Advisory Board, Council of State and thus the PG would then examine the 'acts' on mismanagement and corruption - by State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) Kingdom of the Dutch parliament were reported - true. Against Oduber has Bijleveld, however, said that the PG in the working group may, because this' partisan 'is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 07:02:29 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58590.php

Aruba

Albayrak satisfied with progress KIA

24 Jun, 2009, 13:28 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/24-aruba-albayrakkia.gif)
 
taatssecretaris of Justice Nebahat Albayrak (PvdA) listens to Prime Minister Nel Oduber during her visit to Aruba Monday. Links Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten.

WILLEM CITY / ORANGE CITY - Secretary of State for Justice Nebahat Albayrak (PvdA) is satisfied with the progress within the Institute Korrektie Aruba (KIA). That they reported yesterday at a press conference after the bilateral talks between the Netherlands and the Antilles. Monday Albayrak visited the KIA. "I am quite impressed by the progress made since the last visit of the CPT (European Committee of the prison monitors, red) in 2007." The continuing battle of the Director of the KIA and the Attorney-General in Aruba created confidence in the State. The isolate cells now have an outdoor area, the conditions are acceptable, "says Albayrak. During the interviews with inmates revealed that they mainly privileges missed as the lake can call. But the primary concern in any case. Currently efforts are being made to the police cells and foreigners to improve barracks, which the CPT also had shown very critical. Furthermore, also the input of external experts by the Secretary to the improvements within the KIA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 07:04:49 PM
Aruba

Otmar Oduber: Government Unemployment figures are wrong '

24 Jun, 2009, 13:27 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The governing party MEP claim that the number of unemployed in Aruba is not nearly zero, according to parliamentarian Otmar Oduber (ASF). The AVP-fractielid, on the basis of figures from the Central Bank and tax authorities that the number much higher, namely 5000.

MEP would base its figures on the number of registered unemployed Job Center, currently around 800. That number is down about 1 percent of the total workforce and is also used by Department of Labor. Moreover, Department of Labor after a count of the number of unemployed per district in December on the same number of 800 came. "How it is now possible that, when all indicators point to an economic recession and a growing number of unemployed in our country, an official of Department of Labor, who soon kieslijst of the MEP will publicly declare that our country only 800 unemployed and that this number remained unchanged since December 2008 ", said Oduber, which it refers to Carl Giel, head of the Bureau of Employment Department of Labor. Van Giel says that he is a candidate for MEP. At the time of its edition today Amigoe still get no response to his side.

Central Bank
According Oduber is the number much higher than the government wants to make out. It is based on the annual figures of the Central Bank of Aruba for 2008. These indicate that at the end of last year but up 6.8 percent of the workforce was unemployed. "Based on a workforce of 54,500 people, this means that at the end of 2008 approximately 3700 people had no work", said Oduber. At a lecture earlier this year in Cas Di Cultura, said Central Bank director Jane Semeleer a reading, which they indicated that there was indeed an increase in the number of unemployed. Semeleer However, no concrete figures.

Payroll taxes and premiums
Otmar Oduber bases its figures on the drastic drop in revenue from the payroll and AOV / AWW premiums. In the first months of 2009, according to figures from the tax revenues of the total payroll of 13.4 million florin, or 12 percent, decreased compared to last year. The income of the AOV / AWW premiums were 11.8 million less than last year, a decrease of 14 percent. Revenue from the premium AZV with 5.9 million florin (7 percent) declined. The AVP-fractielid that in the first months of 2009 the number of unemployed increased further and ultimately to a number of 5000 not been unemployed. "According to our information obtained from Department of Labor, this calculation realistic, though taking into account the possibility that the number ultimately higher."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 07:07:54 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58589.php

Aruba

Otmar Oduber: Government Unemployment figures are wrong '

24 Jun, 2009, 13:27 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The governing party MEP claim that the number of unemployed in Aruba is not nearly zero, according to parliamentarian Otmar Oduber (ASF). The AVP-fractielid, on the basis of figures from the Central Bank and tax authorities that the number much higher, namely 5000.

MEP would base its figures on the number of registered unemployed Job Center, currently around 800. That number is down about 1 percent of the total workforce and is also used by Department of Labor. Moreover, Department of Labor after a count of the number of unemployed per district in December on the same number of 800 came. "How it is now possible that, when all indicators point to an economic recession and a growing number of unemployed in our country, an official of Department of Labor, who soon kieslijst of the MEP will publicly declare that our country only 800 unemployed and that this number remained unchanged since December 2008 ", said Oduber, which it refers to Carl Giel, head of the Bureau of Employment Department of Labor. Van Giel says that he is a candidate for MEP. At the time of its edition today Amigoe still get no response to his side.

Central Bank
According Oduber is the number much higher than the government wants to make out. It is based on the annual figures of the Central Bank of Aruba for 2008. These indicate that at the end of last year but up 6.8 percent of the workforce was unemployed. "Based on a workforce of 54,500 people, this means that at the end of 2008 approximately 3700 people had no work", said Oduber. At a lecture earlier this year in Cas Di Cultura, said Central Bank director Jane Semeleer a reading, which they indicated that there was indeed an increase in the number of unemployed. Semeleer However, no concrete figures.

Payroll taxes and premiums
Otmar Oduber bases its figures on the drastic drop in revenue from the payroll and AOV / AWW premiums. In the first months of 2009, according to figures from the tax revenues of the total payroll of 13.4 million florin, or 12 percent, decreased compared to last year. The income of the AOV / AWW premiums were 11.8 million less than last year, a decrease of 14 percent. Revenue from the premium AZV with 5.9 million florin (7 percent) declined. The AVP-fractielid that in the first months of 2009 the number of unemployed increased further and ultimately to a number of 5000 not been unemployed. "According to our information obtained from Department of Labor, this calculation realistic, though taking into account the possibility that the number ultimately higher."

Sorry, forgot the link!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 07:14:24 PM
texasmom and Magnolia

The following transcript of Hans Mos press conference reveals Aruba's official position on the contents of the cage and ... without unedited ROV footage ... there is no proof to the contary.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Kyle Kingman acknowledged that the Arubans being afforded unchallenged custody of the contents of traps implied that the contents of the trap may never be known.

Janet

+++++


Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ...

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee ...


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 07:15:43 PM


Off to watch the game!  Hook 'em Horns!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2009, 08:33:03 PM


Off to watch the game!  Hook 'em Horns!   ::MonkeyDance::

Enjoy!!

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
5:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 24, 2009, 11:51:57 PM


Off to watch the game!  Hook 'em Horns!   ::MonkeyDance::
Hey TM.... How did it go?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2009, 11:56:00 PM


Off to watch the game!  Hook 'em Horns!   ::MonkeyDance::
Hey TM.... How did it go?  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Hotping...

We lost, LSU won the 2009 National Championship. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 24, 2009, 11:58:28 PM


Off to watch the game!  Hook 'em Horns!   ::MonkeyDance::
Hey TM.... How did it go?  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Hotping...

We lost, LSU won the 2009 National Championship. 
Ahhh...Sorry to hear that.....Oh well there is always next year!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 25, 2009, 12:03:19 AM


Off to watch the game!  Hook 'em Horns!   ::MonkeyDance::
Hey TM.... How did it go?  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Hotping...

We lost, LSU won the 2009 National Championship. 
Ahhh...Sorry to hear that.....Oh well there is always next year!  ::MonkeyWink::
Next year:
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x58/rorothe/osu.jpg)  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2009, 12:10:51 AM


Off to watch the game!  Hook 'em Horns!   ::MonkeyDance::
Hey TM.... How did it go?  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Hotping...

We lost, LSU won the 2009 National Championship. 
Ahhh...Sorry to hear that.....Oh well there is always next year!  ::MonkeyWink::
Next year:
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x58/rorothe/osu.jpg)  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 12:14:42 AM


Off to watch the game!  Hook 'em Horns!   ::MonkeyDance::
Hey TM.... How did it go?  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Hotping...

We lost, LSU won the 2009 National Championship. 
Ahhh...Sorry to hear that.....Oh well there is always next year!  ::MonkeyWink::
Next year:
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x58/rorothe/osu.jpg)  ::MonkeyDevil::
We will See!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 12:30:59 AM
iris44, wreck, texasmom and 8 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 12:38:37 AM
Hi Magnolia!  :smt039


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 25, 2009, 12:41:56 AM
Hi Magnolia!  :smt039

Hey Hotping! ::MonkeyCool::
How's it going?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 12:47:04 AM
Hi Magnolia!  :smt039

Hey Hotping! ::MonkeyCool::
How's it going?
Pretty Good....Just Praying for Rain....It was 108 degrees here today....and no rain in site for at least a week!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: We are watering the Yard right now trying to save the St Augustine and the Azaleas. How about You...Are You doing OK?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 25, 2009, 12:53:40 AM
Hi Magnolia!  :smt039

Hey Hotping! ::MonkeyCool::
How's it going?
Pretty Good....Just Praying for Rain....It was 108 degrees here today....and no rain in site for at least a week!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: We are watering the Yard right now trying to save the St Augustine and the Azaleas. How about You...Are You doing OK?  ::MonkeyCool::
It is hot and dry here too.  We may get rain in a day or so and back down in the 80s next week.
The dog won't even go out except early in the morning and late in the afternoon.  I think that shows
some intelligence on his part. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 25, 2009, 12:55:31 AM
 ::MonkeyDevil::   I see some OT goin' on.   Have checked in here many times today without any news or ideas to share.  Will try again, tomorrow. 

Carry On (Topic).    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 12:59:59 AM
Hi Magnolia!  :smt039

Hey Hotping! ::MonkeyCool::
How's it going?
Pretty Good....Just Praying for Rain....It was 108 degrees here today....and no rain in site for at least a week!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: We are watering the Yard right now trying to save the St Augustine and the Azaleas. How about You...Are You doing OK?  ::MonkeyCool::
It is hot and dry here too.  We may get rain in a day or so and back down in the 80s next week.
The dog won't even go out except early in the morning and late in the afternoon.  I think that shows
some intelligence on his part. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Yep Very Smart Dog....Its funny all winter We wish for warm weather then We get hot weather and can't stay out long without nearly having a heat stroke.....My oldest son is and I&E Tech and He said that in the plant where he works it was 128 degrees in one of the areas.....Now that's hot.....  ::MonkeyCool:: It will probably take a Tropical Storm or hurricane to get Us some rain in this area......  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 01:01:29 AM
::MonkeyDevil::   I see some OT goin' on.   Have checked in here many times today without any news or ideas to share.  Will try again, tomorrow. 

Carry On (Topic).    ::MonkeyWink::
Yes Mom!  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2009, 01:06:12 AM
HT Jolz

Very sad news....

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1245744950265200.xml&coll=2


Mountain Brook woman killed in wreck

Tuesday, June 23, 2009

A Mountain Brook woman who died in a Monday morning car accident was looking forward to graduation from college this fall and pursuing a career in journalism.

Alabama State Troopers said that Carly Lauren Johnson, 22, died in a one-car crash at 1:45 a.m. Johnson was traveling south on Interstate 20/59 near the 89 mile marker, three miles north of Brookwood, when the accident occurred. The accident is under investigation.

Johnson, who was a student at the University of Alabama, graduated from Mountain Brook High School in 2005. She was active in many organizations there, including the concert choir, First Priority, Habitat for Humanity, Spanish Club and Thespians, according to the school yearbook.

Jennifer Greer, chair of the Alabama Journalism department, said Johnson had been taking journalism courses for years but formally made it her major only last Friday. She remembered Johnson as a quiet, respectful student.

"She was really passionate about her writing," Greer said. "The faculty thought very highly of her. She made an impact on people here."

E-mail: wthornton@bhamnews.com



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 25, 2009, 01:08:39 AM
::MonkeyDevil::   I see some OT goin' on.   Have checked in here many times today without any news or ideas to share.  Will try again, tomorrow. 

Carry On (Topic).    ::MonkeyWink::
Yes Mom!  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

We've had too much rain.  I went to the shore this past weekend with friends and we had one day of sun on Friday.  I'd push some rain your way if I had that power.

Time for me to attempt some sleep.   Maybe I'll be able to put my research back in gear tomorrow, hotping.

Justice for Natalee.       ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 01:08:57 AM
HT Jolz

Very sad news....

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1245744950265200.xml&coll=2


Mountain Brook woman killed in wreck

Tuesday, June 23, 2009

A Mountain Brook woman who died in a Monday morning car accident was looking forward to graduation from college this fall and pursuing a career in journalism.

Alabama State Troopers said that Carly Lauren Johnson, 22, died in a one-car crash at 1:45 a.m. Johnson was traveling south on Interstate 20/59 near the 89 mile marker, three miles north of Brookwood, when the accident occurred. The accident is under investigation.

Johnson, who was a student at the University of Alabama, graduated from Mountain Brook High School in 2005. She was active in many organizations there, including the concert choir, First Priority, Habitat for Humanity, Spanish Club and Thespians, according to the school yearbook.

Jennifer Greer, chair of the Alabama Journalism department, said Johnson had been taking journalism courses for years but formally made it her major only last Friday. She remembered Johnson as a quiet, respectful student.

"She was really passionate about her writing," Greer said. "The faculty thought very highly of her. She made an impact on people here."

E-mail: wthornton@bhamnews.com


Yes This is Very Sad News!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 01:10:46 AM
::MonkeyDevil::   I see some OT goin' on.   Have checked in here many times today without any news or ideas to share.  Will try again, tomorrow. 

Carry On (Topic).    ::MonkeyWink::
Yes Mom!  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

We've had too much rain.  I went to the shore this past weekend with friends and we had one day of sun on Friday.  I'd push some rain your way if I had that power.

Time for me to attempt some sleep.   Maybe I'll be able to put my research back in gear tomorrow, hotping.

Justice for Natalee.       ::MonkeyAngel::
Good Night 2NJ! I know I haven't gotten much research done either this week.....Maybe tomorrow night I'll get back on track!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2009, 01:12:32 AM
http://m.tuscaloosanews.com/tln/db_12587/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=F8A53FA49926DDB5BEB21C2F3822737E?contentguid=Ef34ELct&detailindex=4&pn=0&ps=5

Local News

Woman killed in single vehicle crash

Posted:06/22/2009 8:42 AM


TUSCALOOSA | A woman was killed in an accident early this morning on Interstate 20/59.

Carly Lauren Johnson, 22, of Mountain Brook died in the one-vehicle crash near the 89 mile marker of the interstate, three miles north of Brookwood, according to the Alabama State Troopers.

She was heading toward Tuscaloosa when the crash happened at 1:45 a.m. Troopers said that she was not wearing a seat belt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2009, 01:21:16 AM
::MonkeyDevil::   I see some OT goin' on.   Have checked in here many times today without any news or ideas to share.  Will try again, tomorrow. 

Carry On (Topic).    ::MonkeyWink::
Yes Mom!  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

We've had too much rain.  I went to the shore this past weekend with friends and we had one day of sun on Friday.  I'd push some rain your way if I had that power.

Time for me to attempt some sleep.   Maybe I'll be able to put my research back in gear tomorrow, hotping.

Justice for Natalee.       ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 25, 2009, 01:29:09 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2009, 01:31:25 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyCool::

Good night Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2009, 02:34:35 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 09:02:43 AM
http://m.tuscaloosanews.com/tln/db_12587/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=F8A53FA49926DDB5BEB21C2F3822737E?contentguid=Ef34ELct&detailindex=4&pn=0&ps=5

Local News

Woman killed in single vehicle crash

Posted:06/22/2009 8:42 AM


TUSCALOOSA | A woman was killed in an accident early this morning on Interstate 20/59.

Carly Lauren Johnson, 22, of Mountain Brook died in the one-vehicle crash near the 89 mile marker of the interstate, three miles north of Brookwood, according to the Alabama State Troopers.

She was heading toward Tuscaloosa when the crash happened at 1:45 a.m. Troopers said that she was not wearing a seat belt.


2005 Mountain Brook High Graduates
Thursday, May 26, 2005


Mountain Brook High School commencement was May 24 at the Wright Performing Arts Center.


http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/south.ssf?/base/community/1117133115430711.xml&coll=2


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371968;topicseen#msg371968


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 25, 2009, 10:00:58 AM
http://m.tuscaloosanews.com/tln/db_12587/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=F8A53FA49926DDB5BEB21C2F3822737E?contentguid=Ef34ELct&detailindex=4&pn=0&ps=5

Local News

Woman killed in single vehicle crash

Posted:06/22/2009 8:42 AM


TUSCALOOSA | A woman was killed in an accident early this morning on Interstate 20/59.

Carly Lauren Johnson, 22, of Mountain Brook died in the one-vehicle crash near the 89 mile marker of the interstate, three miles north of Brookwood, according to the Alabama State Troopers.

She was heading toward Tuscaloosa when the crash happened at 1:45 a.m. Troopers said that she was not wearing a seat belt.


2005 Mountain Brook High Graduates
Thursday, May 26, 2005


Mountain Brook High School commencement was May 24 at the Wright Performing Arts Center.


http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/south.ssf?/base/community/1117133115430711.xml&coll=2


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371968;topicseen#msg371968


I just read her obit in this morning's Birmingham News.  Very sad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on June 25, 2009, 10:13:28 AM
Good Morning Magnolia and Guest

Have a BLESSED day!!

STILL STANDING WITH THE GIRL!! ::MonkeyAngel::


pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 25, 2009, 12:12:03 PM
If I'm understanding this correctly, the Neth are continuing with an investigation into the corruption that is Aruba, and Nellie boy is freaking out?

 ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58591.php

Aruba

Aruba get to the Netherlands as UN corruption investigation continues


24 Jun, 2009, 13:35 (GMT -04:00)


Oranjestad - Aruba is considering an official complaint to the commission for decolonization of the United Nations, like the Netherlands the investigation of corruption and mismanagement continue without the cooperation of the island. "Over my dead body" reacts Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) on the news that the Netherlands even without the investigation. He maintains: Aruba does not participate.

The Prime Minister emphasized again that the Netherlands is not without the cooperation of Aruba an investigation into the functioning of democracy and the rule of law can use. Only if there is a serious threat to these two points, by the Kingdom Government on the basis of the Statute be used. But there is no question of Oduber. "Guusje (Dutch Minister of Interior, Labor, ed), ga the statute read and explain to me how the investigation will do. There is need cooperation of the Public Ministry and police that are among us. "

The enforcement of an investigation by Aruba as degradation of the self and that is the Prime Minister contrary to international conventions. He also asks whether strong Aruba still in the Kingdom so far. "They make us criminals out of everything. While we not so long ago by the same parliament as yet in the Kingdom were cited the success of the Status Aparte. If they continue on our shovels, a time that we the people should or we should not look like steps. "Oduber said that it is a good thing would be if Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) the case is already pending in the UN committee in London. Bang it in any case. "I keep quiet to see how they do, because we are not. If USA then take action against Aruba, or that we see. "

Empire Ministers
The plenipotentiary of Aruba in the Netherlands, Frido Croes will today an official response from Aruba release, among other things again the issue of salary increase for Members of the Common Court of Justice (and Public Ministry) is cited. Aruba find that in a corruption investigation into the role of the Government Ministers are to be included. That would have failed in its adoption, approval given. The adoption of the new salary / status is counter to the laws established, says Aruba. Indeed, the Antillean Government in this first consultation should consult with Aruba. According to Aruba, the judges also own Land Acts drafted administrative personnel procedures and then directly to the Antillean Minister of Justice submitted. This has then to ratify the decisions by the governor. Aruba does have an oral question raised by the Dutch Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin. There is no action taken.

Plan
Premier Oduber said this morning that despite the escalation of now, he talks with the Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) last Monday was still positive. "We have good agreements. The problem is that in this case her boss, she must answer to the Lower House and then they let us fall. "Oduber think there is much about this type of presentation, then to transmit. "Because every time we produce, it seems as if they hear other things and is different on paper." He has promised Bijleveld Monday it agreed that the 'plan' to the functioning of democracy and rule of law is improving after the election is in September.
 

Thug
The statement by the Dutch PVV-parliamentarian Hero Brinkman - they said Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) is one of the biggest criminals of the island - mainly to the party-minded media Aruba violent reactions sigh. Solo di Pueblo newspaper headlines on the front page: "Brink Mans mother is a crook!". Oduber said that there should be an investigation needed to Brinkman itself. "Ask him why he left the police force. If we are criminals, he is the crook of the police. "Politicians of the opposition have also responded positively to the forthcoming review of the Netherlands. "Nel is now in its horns caught," said parliamentarian Otmar Oduber (AVP) referring to the nickname of Oduber, the Prime Minister will be "old bull" said. RED says Dutch Minister Guusje ter Horst support: "The cabinet has Oduber international image of Aruba damaged."

 

PG 'biased'
According to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) is the Netherlands that the Aruban Attorney General Rob Pietersz (PG) in a working group, which initially Aruba together with the Netherlands wanted to do a corruption investigation. Oduber had this earlier in a letter to his Dutch colleague Jan Peter Balkenende made. An Aruban-Dutch working group among more members of the Advisory Board, Council of State and thus the PG would then examine the 'acts' on mismanagement and corruption - by State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) Kingdom of the Dutch parliament were reported - true. Against Oduber has Bijleveld, however, said that the PG in the working group may, because this' partisan 'is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 25, 2009, 12:13:08 PM
Good morning Monkeys.  Only have a minute.  Sister is HOME from rehab and is doing great.  Some relief for a few of us family members in the future.  Next is knee surgery for torn ligament from the fall.  Better days are ahead.

Still standing with Natalee (until Beth says otherwise).



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 04:31:21 PM
When Tim Miller's past experience with the Aruban "powers that be" in the Natalee Holloway investigation is considered ... what foundation did Tim derive his contention that the enemy ... who has had a coverup agenda since May 30, 2005 ... would partner with the Persistence crew in the quest for justice if anything Natalee Holloway related was discovered in Aruban waters.

Janet

++++++

On the Record w / Greta - November 1, 2005

TIM MILLER:  We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and he’s done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January 13, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in the—in October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And that‘s when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.  ... What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 25, 2009, 04:57:56 PM
I have been thinking about Tim Miller and the Persistence.

My thought is that Tim may have thought that Aruba was ready to get the case behind them.

If Natalee was found, he may have trusted that they would let it be known, since it would be
hard to directly link Joran to her remains after such a long time in salt water.
I must admit that was my thought way back in 2007.

I am not trying to argue, just offering a "maybe"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2009, 05:42:07 PM
I have been thinking about Tim Miller and the Persistence.

My thought is that Tim may have thought that Aruba was ready to get the case behind them.

If Natalee was found, he may have trusted that they would let it be known, since it would be
hard to directly link Joran to her remains after such a long time in salt water.
I must admit that was my thought way back in 2007.

I am not trying to argue, just offering a "maybe"

I think it's a reasonable "maybe" Magnolia.  I had hoped the same was true about Aruba myself way back in 2007.

A tennis shoe found in the same location that could be connected to one missing may have posed a problem; but I'm sure there would have been an easy defense of that too....set up!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: iris44 on June 25, 2009, 05:42:23 PM
When Tim Miller's past experience with the Aruban "powers that be" in the Natalee Holloway investigation is considered ... what foundation did Tim derive his contention that the enemy ... who has had a coverup agenda since May 30, 2005 ... would partner with the Persistence crew in the quest for justice if anything Natalee Holloway related was discovered in Aruban waters.

Janet

++++++

On the Record w / Greta - November 1, 2005

TIM MILLER:  We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and he’s done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January 13, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in the—in October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And that‘s when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.  ... What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#



So it seems that at least Dompig thought Natalee was in the ocean.  I can't remember, did Dompig say publicly that he thought she was in the ocean?  I seem to recall he told Dave that at some point.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 25, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
When Tim Miller's past experience with the Aruban "powers that be" in the Natalee Holloway investigation is considered ... what foundation did Tim derive his contention that the enemy ... who has had a coverup agenda since May 30, 2005 ... would partner with the Persistence crew in the quest for justice if anything Natalee Holloway related was discovered in Aruban waters.

Janet

++++++

On the Record w / Greta - November 1, 2005

TIM MILLER:  We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and he’s done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January 13, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in the—in October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And that‘s when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.  ... What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#



So it seems that at least Dompig thought Natalee was in the ocean.  I can't remember, did Dompig say publicly that he thought she was in the ocean?  I seem to recall he told Dave that at some point.

Here is one instance from Oct.,2005....he was all over the place, imo.....there may be more out there somewhere:

(snipped)

COSBY: And also, real quick, Chief, I know that there’s sort of a renewed search, from what we heard, at the lighthouse, also the fisherman’s hut, two of the sort of the key areas there in Aruba. Is there anything, any new evidence to sort of suggest that they should start those searches there again?

DOMPIG: No, no, no. I regret to say no. We’re still looking in the ocean. And don’t forget that, by this time, we’re not looking for a body anymore. But basically, if a body was dropped there, you’re talking about bones.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/10/31/dompig-i-can-say-even-though-we-butted-heads-a-couple-of-times-but-we-basically-renewed-our-vows-to-work-together/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 06:12:34 PM
When Tim Miller's past experience with the Aruban "powers that be" in the Natalee Holloway investigation is considered ... what foundation did Tim derive his contention that the enemy ... who has had a coverup agenda since May 30, 2005 ... would partner with the Persistence crew in the quest for justice if anything Natalee Holloway related was discovered in Aruban waters.

Janet

++++++

On the Record w / Greta - November 1, 2005

TIM MILLER:  We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and he’s done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January 13, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in the—in October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And that‘s when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.  ... What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#



So it seems that at least Dompig thought Natalee was in the ocean.  I can't remember, did Dompig say publicly that he thought she was in the ocean?  I seem to recall he told Dave that at some point.

Yes he did Iris but ... Gerald Dompig would not do what needed to be done to allow Tim Miller to search for Natalee Holloway remains in November, 2005.  The trap discovered by Kyle Kingman was located in the exact location indicated by Dompig.

Why?

Hey ... Gerold Dompig ... whose position dicated that he had an indepth knowledge of what was taking place within the Aruban investigation ... implicated Joran, Deepak and Satish in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

However ... four years later Natalee Holloway's remains have not been returned to her family and ... Joran, Deepak and Satish have not been held accountable.

Janet

+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman – 03/18/08:
  The tip Dave go said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.


ARUBAN CHIEF OF POLICE - GEROLD DOMPIG

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

GEROLD DOMPIG: I still believe that these boys have been lying, they're still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

RITA COSBY: Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?
GEROLD DOMPIG: Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

GEROLD DOMPIG: Joran went back and forth with his statements, and he withdrew two statements which he had already given to us. So basically, none of his statements were really trustworthy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9727957/


'Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: Well, it would take me, I think, a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. None of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188


'The Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators. So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


'The Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 06:27:23 PM

On the Record w/ Greta - February 27, 2008

TIM MILLER: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Alright you said DNA, this was found in a crab trap below the surface in the water right?

MILLER:  It was in the water and Greta we was looking for a crab trap because we got reports that the night Natalee disappeared one of the fishermen's huts was broken into and a crab trap was stolen and I actually talked to a man there at the fishermen's huts, he verified about the hut being broken into and the crab trap being taken so it was really one of the things we was looking for.  In fact Chief Dompig told me 2-1/2 years ago in October when we was at the landfill that we needed to be out in the water, and he felt as though Natalee was put in a crab trap or some type of container ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 06:36:36 PM
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - October 28, 2005

RITA COSBY, HOST::  And also, real quick, Chief, I know that there‘s sort of a renewed search, from what we heard, at the lighthouse, also the fisherman‘s hut, two of the sort of the key areas there in Aruba.  Is there anything, any new evidence to sort of suggest that they should start those searches there again? 

GEROLD DOMPIG, DEPUTY POLICY CHIEF OF ARUBA:  No, no, no.  I regret to say no.  We‘re still looking in the ocean.  And don‘t forget that, by this time, we‘re not looking for a body anymore.  But basically, if a body was dropped there, you‘re talking about bones. 

COSBY:  And you believe there may still be some bones or something there, real quick? 

DOMPIG:  I hope so. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9849849/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 06:45:45 PM

DOMPIG AND SON?


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:   the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:  The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 25, 2009, 06:58:06 PM
OT
Farrah Fawcett Thread: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5486.20

Michael Jackson Thread: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=20.0

Janet~  Thank you for the articles/vid and links.  I've moved them to their threads.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 07:21:25 PM

GERALD DOMPIG AND THE OCEAN SEARCH

'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: Well, that‘s basically the reason why we are looking at the ocean right now, because, although we don‘t have an official statement or declaration that a fishing trap has been missing, there are enough rumors out there that we—lead us to believe that maybe that is the case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9827906/


DATELINE - February 22, 2008

The deputy police chief saw Tim Miller and Dave Holloway and shared a hunch.

Tim Miller: And said, "There's no need for you all to be searching the landfill anymore." He said, "I think you all need to be out in the sea, three to five miles."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/3/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 08:09:03 PM
GEROLD DOMPIT - THE OCEAN SEARCH

Fox Online Show - Jamie Colby - July 15, 2005
 
JAMIE COLBY:  Tim, let me ask you about this search. You want to go back, you want to search and focus underwater

TIM MILLER:That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.  Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep  and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea, so


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 08:49:02 PM
I have been thinking about Tim Miller and the Persistence.

My thought is that Tim may have thought that Aruba was ready to get the case behind them.

If Natalee was found, he may have trusted that they would let it be known, since it would be
hard to directly link Joran to her remains after such a long time in salt water.
I must admit that was my thought way back in 2007.

I am not trying to argue, just offering a "maybe"

Magnolia ... you may be right.

However ... there is not one Monkey on this forum with an indepth knowledge of the Natalee Holloway case who would have been a participant in such a huge undertaking without assurance that there would be an FBI presence on board to observe the recovery process of anything that appeared to be Natalee Holloway related.

Considering the H--- on Earth that the Aruban "powers that be" put both Dave Holloway and Tim Miller through in their past respective quests for answers ... why did these men not foresee the negative outcome?

I contend that the cause of justice for Natalee and ... accountability to those who financially donated to the search effort implied certain established conditions should have been a given to insure what happened did not happen.  Giving the benefit of the doubt to those who have been behind the coverup from the getgo was so naive.

Kyle Kingman learned very quickly the dynamics encompassing the Aruban coverup from Monkeys and Freebirds just prior to the discovery and ... was very uncomfortable with affording the Arubans unchallenged custody of the cage contents.

Natalee Holloway's uncle also comprehended perfectly.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

DECEMBER 30, 2007

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive.  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


JANUARY 7, 2008

Kyle Kingman
   I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435

Edit/typo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 08:53:48 PM
Mods

Please edit my typo in Magnolia name in my above post.

Thank you.

Janet
Done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 25, 2009, 10:51:57 PM
GEROLD DOMPIT - THE OCEAN SEARCH

Fox Online Show - Jamie Colby - July 15, 2005
 
JAMIE COLBY:  Tim, let me ask you about this search. You want to go back, you want to search and focus underwater

TIM MILLER:That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.  Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep  and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea, so


That would be the boat that Rosalie Klein bought from the Gottenbos family, I think.
Dompig ws off by about 900ft and a couple of miles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 25, 2009, 10:59:47 PM
Somebody had told Tim Miller where the body was. IMO
He knew exactly where to go to look.
Kyle said something on the order of.... We found the cage almost exactly where Tim had thought it was.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 25, 2009, 11:07:03 PM
Somebody had told Tim Miller where the body was. IMO
He knew exactly where to go to look.
Kyle said something on the order of.... We found the cage almost exactly where Tim had thought it was.
That is why I find Tim's reactions/subsequent behavior so puzzeling.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 11:42:38 PM
Somebody had told Tim Miller where the body was. IMO
He knew exactly where to go to look.
Kyle said something on the order of.... We found the cage almost exactly where Tim had thought it was.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman – 03/18/08:
   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 25, 2009, 11:46:20 PM
Somebody had told Tim Miller where the body was. IMO
He knew exactly where to go to look.
Kyle said something on the order of.... We found the cage almost exactly where Tim had thought it was.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman – 03/18/08:
   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.


GEROLD DOMPIT - THE OCEAN SEARCH

Fox Online Show - Jamie Colby - July 15, 2007

 
JAMIE COLBY:  Tim, let me ask you about this search. You want to go back, you want to search and focus underwater

TIM MILLER:That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.  Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep and we always thought about the water anyhow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 26, 2009, 12:58:58 AM

this is the problem with 3rd world countries that put politics ahead of justice...
in a civilized society, you have FBI, Interpol, or another above board (not politicized) investigative agent that will take charge and impose justice.
I wish it would happen in aruba...
put kj, dompig, mos, richardson, jacobs, cohen, Jan van der Straten (my 1st choice!)  under the spotlight of justice!
The house of cards would crumble...BIG TIME!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 26, 2009, 01:12:58 AM
Good night billb and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Good talking with you.. ::MonkeyRoll::
Good night good Monkeys...
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee!

Edit/typo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 26, 2009, 01:17:47 AM
Good night billb and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Good talking with you.. ::MonkeyRoll::
Good night good Monkeys...
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2009, 01:49:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 26, 2009, 08:30:00 AM
GEROLD DOMPIT - THE OCEAN SEARCH

Fox Online Show - Jamie Colby - July 15, 2005
 
JAMIE COLBY:  Tim, let me ask you about this search. You want to go back, you want to search and focus underwater

TIM MILLER:That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.  Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep  and we always thought about the water anyhow.

When Dave and I were over there we actually found the boat we truly feel took Natalee out to sea, so


That would be the boat that Rosalie Klein bought from the Gottenbos family, I think.
Dompig ws off by about 900ft and a couple of miles.

YES!!

Remember Dave having also said something about watching Koen Gottenbos do a barrel roll behind the couch in their home when he and (?? Art?) drove up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 26, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
Somebody had told Tim Miller where the body was. IMO
He knew exactly where to go to look.
Kyle said something on the order of.... We found the cage almost exactly where Tim had thought it was.

Yes, Dave had received several tips about where in the ocean she was.  And I would have to imagine he shared those with Tim.

In addition to those...............

I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED IF THIS FIGURED IN....
 
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for August 19
Divers are going to be heading to the water one mile off shore tomorrow.  Joining me now from Aruba is Clint Van Zandt.  He‘s a former FBI agent and also an MSNBC analyst.  And also side by side with him, Art Wood, the private investigator who will watch tomorrow‘s dive.

Art, let‘s talk about this dive because it‘s based on what, something called triangulation.  Tell us what that is.

ART WOOD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR:  Well, it‘s based the technology that a 76-year-old man from Nashville, Tennessee, brought to the island.  Joe Walker (ph) is a treasure hunter, has been for a number of years.  And he claims—and I can‘t vouch for his technology, but he claims that his technology can locate a body off shore.  I spent the better part of four days helping him run his equipment.  And using a compass and GPS, we have triangulated about 20 different readings to a spot about a mile-and-a-quarter off the coast of Aruba.  And tomorrow, we‘re going to put divers in the water and see if we can locate Natalee‘s body, if it‘s possible.

COSBY:  Well, and anything, of course, is possible

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9040761/

 
 
10-17-05
Jossy Mansur, managing director of "Diario," what`s the latest on the searches? Apparently there are still underwater areas to be searched and there`s high-tech equipment now available in those searches.

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am. They did get (INAUDIBLE) and Eduardo Mansur did get some specialized undersea cameras, which they will use to pinpoint a large area of ocean that was identified by Joe Walker with his specialized equipment, apparently found some kind of human remains, bones and teeth, very close to the hotel area.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait a second. That sounds like we`re burying the lead here. I mean, you`re saying that they found something? Say that again. I haven`t heard this.

MANSUR: No, no, that they identified on this detector -- the detector identified in the ocean some kind of bones and te eth at some point in a large area of ocean, in the area that we know as the hotel area.

Nothing has been found, but it has been identified by a detector. And that`s why they`re using these specialized cameras to go out there now and do a deep-water and a total search of the whole area.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m not a scientist, so I wouldn`t know how you could possibly identify something so specifically without having seen it. But it`s hope.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/17/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 26, 2009, 08:34:01 AM
Happy Friday Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 26, 2009, 09:00:40 AM
Pretty Good....Just Praying for Rain....It was 108 degrees here today....and no rain in site for at least a week!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: We are watering the Yard right now trying to save the St Augustine and the Azaleas. How about You...Are You doing OK?  ::MonkeyCool::

Wish I could send you some. We have had rain for 7 days and 7 nights  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2009, 10:42:58 AM
Happy Friday Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

Happy Friday jen!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 26, 2009, 12:50:36 PM
Does anyone know who this Jossy Mansur is, or is it just an old picture.
Friend of Julia Renfro
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1588057630&hiq=julia%2Crenfro


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/n700408585_1282.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 26, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Jossy in the 70's??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 26, 2009, 01:22:37 PM
Does anyone know who this Jossy Mansur is, or is it just an old picture.
Friend of Julia Renfro
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1588057630&hiq=julia%2Crenfro


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/n700408585_1282.jpg)

If you go to this Jossy Mansur's facebook page, he has a Jossy E Mansur listed as a friend.   Can't see Jossy E's face in in pic, though.    :smt102     But he's got 1174 friends.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Noticed Julia has Jan Brennan listed as a friend.    :smt078


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2009, 01:50:58 PM
Does anyone know who this Jossy Mansur is, or is it just an old picture.
Friend of Julia Renfro
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1588057630&hiq=julia%2Crenfro


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/n700408585_1282.jpg)

Maybe?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/staff/

snip

EDITOR
Agencia Arubano di Noticia

DIRECTOR
Jossy M. Mansur

DIRECTOR ASISTENTE
Luis M. Mansur

Jossy E. Mansur

Eduardo Mansur

Damilice Mansur

snip

http://www.diarioaruba.com/

6/6/2009 Diario Front Page

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/06062009Diario_FP.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/06062009_Diario_Mansurs_EvelynWe-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 26, 2009, 01:51:39 PM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 26, 2009, 02:03:07 PM
Pretty Good....Just Praying for Rain....It was 108 degrees here today....and no rain in site for at least a week!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: We are watering the Yard right now trying to save the St Augustine and the Azaleas. How about You...Are You doing OK?  ::MonkeyCool::

Wish I could send you some. We have had rain for 7 days and 7 nights  ::MonkeyCool::
I told My Hubby if or when it rains I will be like alitte kid and get out and play in it...lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks 2NJ!  ::MonkeyCool::

Nut44X4 offered...I offered the other day!!    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 26, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
ARUBA IS A CORRUPT & DANGEROUS PLACE!

AVOID THAT ISLAND LIKE THE PLAGUE...

NO NATALEE HOLLOWAY,NO JUSTICE,NO TOURISM

=

THE SLOW DEATH OF AN EVIL ISLAND


 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2009, 07:17:40 PM
Hard to say??

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JossyCompare.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 26, 2009, 07:32:59 PM

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/staff/

snip

EDITOR
Agencia Arubano di Noticia

DIRECTOR
Jossy M. Mansur

DIRECTOR ASISTENTE
Luis M. Mansur

Jossy E. Mansur

Eduardo Mansur

Damilice Mansur

snip

http://www.diarioaruba.com/

<snipped>


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.


JOSSY MANSUR

Jossy Mansur:
  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 26, 2009, 07:43:35 PM
Hard to say??

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JossyCompare.jpg)
they did not have small cell phones in the 70's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 26, 2009, 07:46:41 PM
Hard to say??

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JossyCompare.jpg)
they did not have small cell phones in the 70's.

Great Catch Wreck!!!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 26, 2009, 08:22:08 PM
As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, this is huge!"

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman – 03/18/08:
   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2009, 09:59:43 PM
Does anyone know who this Jossy Mansur is, or is it just an old picture.
Friend of Julia Renfro
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1588057630&hiq=julia%2Crenfro


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/n700408585_1282.jpg)

Maybe?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/staff/

snip

EDITOR
Agencia Arubano di Noticia

DIRECTOR
Jossy M. Mansur

DIRECTOR ASISTENTE
Luis M. Mansur

Jossy E. Mansur

Eduardo Mansur

Damilice Mansur

snip

http://www.diarioaruba.com/

6/6/2009 Diario Front Page

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/06062009Diario_FP.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/06062009_Diario_Mansurs_EvelynWe-1.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.500

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/JossyEMansurLuisMansurMariaineValer.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/JossyEMansur_.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546724#msg546724

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/Jossysfamily_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 26, 2009, 10:42:18 PM
Who is SS?

With the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words .... SS figured out the truth ... jumped off the CAPS band wagon in November and December, 2008 but ... then climbed right back on.

Was an ATA/AHATA influence behind SS's abrupt change of heart?

Thoughts?  Talk to me someone.

Janet

++++++++

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #310 on: November 17, 2008, 11:53:15 PM »


Jossy and John are friends.  John went to Aruba in March to attend a Mansur wedding.

Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Mansurs own the mineral rights on the ocean floor?  They own 80% of the island.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if they own the mineral rights under the ocean shelf.  Translated that means whoever owns the mineral rights makes money off of every barrel of oil that is brought to the surface and John Silvetti had just finished the geological survey to determine where to place the off shore wells.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546590#msg546590


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #322 on: November 18, 2008, 12:22:13 AM »


Oil in that area of the Carribbean is touchy because of Chavez.  He owns everything.  The US needs allys with oil.  Is that why they have been easy on Aruba?  They didn't want the world to know that they planning off shore exploration and drilling.  Another factor was probably money.  Geological exploration is expensive.  Silvetti's company was just about bankrupt.  Wouldn't it be nice to have all of those mapping expenses written off because it was done for the purpose of searching for the body of a missing American woman.  Their survey was done for a nonprofit organization.  How magnanimous.  Crappy Island will be a boom town if they drill for oil and find it and the Mansurs will greatly increase their fortune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.320


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 26, 2009, 10:47:20 PM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?



Kermit

What is the holdup?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2009, 11:12:29 PM
Who is SS?

With the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words .... SS figured out the truth ... jumped off the CAPS band wagon in November and December, 2008 but ... then climbed right back on.

Was an ATA/AHATA influence behind SS's abrupt change of heart?

Thoughts?  Talk to me someone.

Janet

++++++++

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #310 on: November 17, 2008, 11:53:15 PM »


Jossy and John are friends.  John went to Aruba in March to attend a Mansur wedding.

Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Mansurs own the mineral rights on the ocean floor?  They own 80% of the island.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if they own the mineral rights under the ocean shelf.  Translated that means whoever owns the mineral rights makes money off of every barrel of oil that is brought to the surface and John Silvetti had just finished the geological survey to determine where to place the off shore wells.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546590#msg546590


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #322 on: November 18, 2008, 12:22:13 AM »


Oil in that area of the Carribbean is touchy because of Chavez.  He owns everything.  The US needs allys with oil.  Is that why they have been easy on Aruba?  They didn't want the world to know that they planning off shore exploration and drilling.  Another factor was probably money.  Geological exploration is expensive.  Silvetti's company was just about bankrupt.  Wouldn't it be nice to have all of those mapping expenses written off because it was done for the purpose of searching for the body of a missing American woman.  Their survey was done for a nonprofit organization.  How magnanimous.  Crappy Island will be a boom town if they drill for oil and find it and the Mansurs will greatly increase their fortune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.320


Please don't be offended Janet, but as far as SS is concerned; I don't know...and don't care.


JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on June 26, 2009, 11:31:08 PM
Pretty Good....Just Praying for Rain....It was 108 degrees here today....and no rain in site for at least a week!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: We are watering the Yard right now trying to save the St Augustine and the Azaleas. How about You...Are You doing OK?  ::MonkeyCool::

Wish I could send you some. We have had rain for 7 days and 7 nights  ::MonkeyCool::
I told My Hubby if or when it rains I will be like alitte kid and get out and play in it...lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks 2NJ!  ::MonkeyCool::

Nut44X4 offered...I offered the other day!!    ::MonkeyWink::


Hotping, We're in the same way as you are. Serious drought with temps 100-102 and heat index of 110. Everything is dead or close to it.  Pray for rain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hasn't rained here in over 1 month with only small amounts this spring.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 26, 2009, 11:35:36 PM
texasmom

SS holds answers as far as CAPS is concerned ... CAPS who diverted attention away from the recovery of the contents of the trap and ... CAPS who had a John Silvetti connection.  That is why I care about this aspect of the Persistence topic ... CAPS who had the ability to influence SS to return to his flock when she strayed and began to think for herself.

I wonder what Kermit is referring to when he implies he may expose SS.

Anyways ... thanks for responding.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet

+++++++++


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #542 on: January 26, 2009, 11:37:56 PM »


I learned of Caps's identity by accident.  Caps did reveal his identity to Klaas. the FBI, and Dave Holloway.  He was very serious about his theory and he went to them in all ernest.  Several other posters on the forum made contact with Caps after that.  I bleieve at one point he might have posted his email address.  I know of four or five SM posters who have or have had direct contact with Caps since last Spring.  Caps did reveal himself to Tim Miller and Jossy because he wanted them to know who he was and he was asking for their help with the witness.  Caps isn't hiding his identity from the people who really need to know who he is.  It just isn't a good idea to put his name on SM after he has finished telling us information about the underbelly of Aruba.  Remember what happened to Pitbull after he claimed to have knowledge about Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646566#msg646566


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 26, 2009, 11:47:38 PM
Pretty Good....Just Praying for Rain....It was 108 degrees here today....and no rain in site for at least a week!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: We are watering the Yard right now trying to save the St Augustine and the Azaleas. How about You...Are You doing OK?  ::MonkeyCool::

Wish I could send you some. We have had rain for 7 days and 7 nights  ::MonkeyCool::
I told My Hubby if or when it rains I will be like alitte kid and get out and play in it...lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks 2NJ!  ::MonkeyCool::

Nut44X4 offered...I offered the other day!!    ::MonkeyWink::


Hotping, We're in the same way as you are. Serious drought with temps 100-102 and heat index of 110. Everything is dead or close to it.  Pray for rain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hasn't rained here in over 1 month with only small amounts this spring.
Sorry about that Nut and Thanks for the offers...Both You and 2NJ....I truly believe if You could You would send rain My way....  ::MonkeyWink::

Cajun
 We need to pray that the disturbance that is in the Caribbean will come Our way...all though I guess it would be tough for it to get You in Louisiana and Me in Central Tx...but stranger things have happened.  ::MonkeyCool::  We actually have a 20 per cent chance on Monday maybe We will get a shower.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2009, 11:55:49 PM
texasmom

SS holds answers as far as CAPS is concerned ... CAPS who diverted attention away from the recovery of the contents of the trap and ... CAPS who had a John Silvetti connection.  That is why I care about this aspect of the Persistence topic ... CAPS who had the ability to influence SS to return to his flock when she strayed and began to think for herself.

I wonder what Kermit is referring to when he implies he may expose SS.

Anyways ... thanks for responding.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet

+++++++++


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #542 on: January 26, 2009, 11:37:56 PM »


I learned of Caps's identity by accident.  Caps did reveal his identity to Klaas. the FBI, and Dave Holloway.  He was very serious about his theory and he went to them in all ernest.  Several other posters on the forum made contact with Caps after that.  I bleieve at one point he might have posted his email address.  I know of four or five SM posters who have or have had direct contact with Caps since last Spring.  Caps did reveal himself to Tim Miller and Jossy because he wanted them to know who he was and he was asking for their help with the witness.  Caps isn't hiding his identity from the people who really need to know who he is.  It just isn't a good idea to put his name on SM after he has finished telling us information about the underbelly of Aruba.  Remember what happened to Pitbull after he claimed to have knowledge about Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646566#msg646566

Janet,
IF she knows any more about him/them, it is because she was working with him/them to begin with. 

Again, JMO.

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 12:18:37 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58718.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Counterfeiting things seized

26 Jun, 2009, 14:14 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/26-aruba-actie-valse-merken.gif)
 
Bags of counterfeit clothing were yesterday removed from shops including the Havenstraat and Schelp Street in Orange City.
ORANGE CITY - At seventeen shops yesterday raids made counterfeit goods seized. These are clothes and bags, but also sunglasses, purses, shoes and watches which infringement had been made on existing luxury brands like Lacoste, Ed Hardy and Louis Vuitton.

Articles with bags from shops at the same time as Keke, La Aruba, Gold R Us, Alankar and Certified Mall included. The warehouses of these stores were examined. A total of between 120 and 150 cubic meters of counterfeit goods, which are now in a warehouse and are stored within the coming weeks will be destroyed.

The large-scale operation, the first of its kind on the island, was conducted by the Public Ministry in cooperation with police, customs and the foundation Disosa. Following declaration was Disosa Protection Agency on behalf of a number of brands. Rather has been on the island, including at the initiative of the foundation that both Suriname and Curacao and Aruba also now has an office, an action carried out. According to Prosecutor Dop Kruimel first action was intended as a warning. "We're well aware that not all products have reached the island. We know that much more is available and sold. But our goal is to make clear that the next time to turn to, and it will not stick to only the remote to do the stuff and that there are no legal consequences follow. "According Dop was the investigation that the retailers are well aware of the criminality of the sale of counterfeit goods. "We have seen various movements which attempted to ensure that the products to us to escape."

Patterns
According to Customs Director Wiebe Pera is impossible for all consignments of goods' so to check all boxes that you open to see what it is. " "But there is a lot come through and that is for us the opportunity to develop our short-term training to customs officials in the identification of counterfeit goods." The goal is to eventually as much as possible to prevent counterfeit goods on the island are . "We address now the shopkeepers have direct input, but also through an intermediary to which their findings and that may or may not be through the zone have occurred. But these are all patterns that require further investigation.

Disosa the Caribbean branch of the Foundation Fighting Counterfeiting that the interests of the largest organization against fraud mark in the world. Frank Convalius this was a minor incident and there every few months. "Soon there will be no press conferences," said Convalius.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 12:23:48 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58716.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Scams licenses and passports

26 Jun, 2009, 14:11 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Aliens who are looking for an agent to request permits and Dutch passports, should beware of fraudsters. These persons were allegedly "in the name of Minister Booshi 'can arrange the necessary paperwork.

Aliens Minister Booshi Wever made a request to all fellow citizens in Aruba for not falling for this scam. The swindlers said to be a high amount for their 'services' and say that Booshi the paperwork for their clients in order forms. Wever know that he is not involved. "I have no contact with people who have residence permits or passports' regulate '. All applications for a Dutch passport via the Office of the Governor of Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 12:26:04 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58715.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Search delivers stolen stuff on

26 Jun, 2009, 14:10 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The searches were carried out yesterday in several houses in the Rancho area, made in the context of research on healing of stolen goods. This has a spokesman of the Public Prosecutor (OM) confirmed. There are some things seized. To which articles it is not for want to lose. Even if people have been arrested. "In that study, we want no further notices," said the spokesman. The media meanwhile is fierce speculation about the true circumstances of the police action. It is said that Justice yesterday looking towards one, from the office of the Reporting Unusual Transactions (MOT), stolen laptop containing highly sensitive information. The MOT is a public body which aims to money laundering and terrorist financing and combat. This collects the data that point to record, edit and analyze, to evaluate whether these data may be important for preventing and detecting crime.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on June 27, 2009, 12:41:48 AM
Help! What's the deal? When I try to post, the lines keep jumping as I type. Maybe is all of this heat!
Can anyone help with the jumps while I type my post?

Hotping, If a storm would come to my area, it would be the 4th. one in 4yrs. I would rather just regular rain. Sheesh, we've had some horrible hurricanes and don't need anymore. I told my neighbors that I would do a nude raindance soon. LOL!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 27, 2009, 01:01:32 AM
Help! What's the deal? When I try to post, the lines keep jumping as I type. Maybe is all of this heat!
Can anyone help with the jumps while I type my post?

Hotping, If a storm would come to my area, it would be the 4th. one in 4yrs. I would rather just regular rain. Sheesh, we've had some horrible hurricanes and don't need anymore. I told my neighbors that I would do a nude raindance soon. LOL!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
No I wasn't wishing for a bad storm just maybe some rain from a storm!

About the jumping when You are trying to post.....Have You recently upgraded to Internet explorer 8 if so go to tools and click on compatablitity view and hopefully it will stop...the same thing happened to Me...Good Luck.....  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 27, 2009, 01:23:33 AM
Help! What's the deal? When I try to post, the lines keep jumping as I type. Maybe is all of this heat!
Can anyone help with the jumps while I type my post?

Hotping, If a storm would come to my area, it would be the 4th. one in 4yrs. I would rather just regular rain. Sheesh, we've had some horrible hurricanes and don't need anymore. I told my neighbors that I would do a nude raindance soon. LOL!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I've had that problem as well the last few weeks -- I thought it was just me!





.... I'm kinda hopin' for for more dry weather, now!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 27, 2009, 01:23:46 AM
Who is SS?

With the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words .... SS figured out the truth ... jumped off the CAPS band wagon in November and December, 2008 but ... then climbed right back on.

Was an ATA/AHATA influence behind SS's abrupt change of heart?

Thoughts?  Talk to me someone.

Janet

++++++++

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #310 on: November 17, 2008, 11:53:15 PM »


Jossy and John are friends.  John went to Aruba in March to attend a Mansur wedding.

Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Mansurs own the mineral rights on the ocean floor?  They own 80% of the island.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if they own the mineral rights under the ocean shelf.  Translated that means whoever owns the mineral rights makes money off of every barrel of oil that is brought to the surface and John Silvetti had just finished the geological survey to determine where to place the off shore wells.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546590#msg546590


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #322 on: November 18, 2008, 12:22:13 AM »


Oil in that area of the Carribbean is touchy because of Chavez.  He owns everything.  The US needs allys with oil.  Is that why they have been easy on Aruba?  They didn't want the world to know that they planning off shore exploration and drilling.  Another factor was probably money.  Geological exploration is expensive.  Silvetti's company was just about bankrupt.  Wouldn't it be nice to have all of those mapping expenses written off because it was done for the purpose of searching for the body of a missing American woman.  Their survey was done for a nonprofit organization.  How magnanimous.  Crappy Island will be a boom town if they drill for oil and find it and the Mansurs will greatly increase their fortune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.320


Now ain't those some interesting statements.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 02:59:18 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 27, 2009, 11:36:16 AM
Does anyone know who this Jossy Mansur is, or is it just an old picture.
Friend of Julia Renfro
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1588057630&hiq=julia%2Crenfro


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Maybe?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/staff/

snip

EDITOR
Agencia Arubano di Noticia

DIRECTOR
Jossy M. Mansur

DIRECTOR ASISTENTE
Luis M. Mansur

Jossy E. Mansur

Eduardo Mansur

Damilice Mansur

snip

http://www.diarioaruba.com/

6/6/2009 Diario Front Page

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.500

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/JossyEMansur_.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546724#msg546724

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/Jossysfamily_1.jpg)



In the middle picture, the guy on the far left, in blue shirt and blue jeans, has the same eyes/look as the "scary" guy, in the corner, in the Mos picture on the Persistence. The guy on boat looked heavier and had less hair but the face looks the same.   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 27, 2009, 12:26:04 PM
TM...Check Mail Please!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
Who is SS?

With the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words .... SS figured out the truth ... jumped off the CAPS band wagon in November and December, 2008 but ... then climbed right back on.

Was an ATA/AHATA influence behind SS's abrupt change of heart?

Thoughts?  Talk to me someone.

Janet

++++++++

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #310 on: November 17, 2008, 11:53:15 PM »


Jossy and John are friends.  John went to Aruba in March to attend a Mansur wedding.

Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Mansurs own the mineral rights on the ocean floor?  They own 80% of the island.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if they own the mineral rights under the ocean shelf.  Translated that means whoever owns the mineral rights makes money off of every barrel of oil that is brought to the surface and John Silvetti had just finished the geological survey to determine where to place the off shore wells.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546590#msg546590


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #322 on: November 18, 2008, 12:22:13 AM »


Oil in that area of the Carribbean is touchy because of Chavez.  He owns everything.  The US needs allys with oil.  Is that why they have been easy on Aruba?  They didn't want the world to know that they planning off shore exploration and drilling.  Another factor was probably money.  Geological exploration is expensive.  Silvetti's company was just about bankrupt.  Wouldn't it be nice to have all of those mapping expenses written off because it was done for the purpose of searching for the body of a missing American woman.  Their survey was done for a nonprofit organization.  How magnanimous.  Crappy Island will be a boom town if they drill for oil and find it and the Mansurs will greatly increase their fortune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.320


Now ain't those some interesting statements.. ::MonkeyCool::

Keepthefaith ... WHEW!!   I am thankful I am not alone.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I believe SS's posts are a very important consideration in the Persistence story.

Prior to Kermit's exposing Kyle Kingman's own words in November, 2008 ... SS upheld the Persistence endeavor and ... she was a staunch CAPS' supporter even when it was revealed that his research was flawed.

However ... following Kermit's revelation ... in November and December, 2008 ... SS conceded in her posts on this forum that she had been wrong.  She acknowledge that she was now able to grasp the deceptive underlying motives of John Silvetti in regards to the Persistence undertaking as well as ...  CAPS' distractive underlying motives encompassing the pond and witness.

Then in January, 2009 ... following her C&G connection ... SS's posts reveal that she had backtracked and ... jumped back on the John Silvetti and CAPS' bandwagons.  SS did not refer to Kyle Kingman as the grandfather of all liars ... his words were just disregard ... not acknowledged.

Something is wrong with this picture.

Often one person ... or maybe more ... with an agenda and the gift of deception can enter an scenario and disrupt the status quo of a group by spewing lies that cause others to question all that they had previously believed.

I contend the enemy/enemies with an Aruban agenda ... enemy/enemies who possess the ability to deceive Natalee Hollowa's father ... the one who has an indepth knowledge of the coverup ... the one who desperately desires that justice prevails ... has the capability to deceive even Tamikosmom.

Janet

+++++

SS - NOVEMBER/DECEMBER, 2008

SS

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 


Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546635#msg546635


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »


1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #726 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:52 PM »


I agree with you, Janet.  I thought a lot about it last night, after I finally had to turn my computer off and just think.  In his heart, I'm sure that Tim Miller believed what he had seen or he wouldn't have said, Bull$hit with the thumbs down.  However, he had no control over all of that pphotographic equipment and perhaps he was only being shown what they wanted him to see.  There was a very good reason why they had to get him off of Persistence before January 7th.  I don't think that Dave or Tim would have gone to Nicaragua if they didn't think it was a viable lead.  I wonder if ALE are the ones who set it all up as another one of their infamous diversion tactics

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569218#msg569218


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


Blue Moon - great reference!  I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #678 on: December 06, 2008, 01:52:46 PM »


I don't think anything would surprise me at this point.  This story is getting sicker by the day.  How could they just hand all of that evidence over to ALE and deny that they had found anything???  And, sit silently by when our FBI was sent a piece of nothing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569137#msg569137
__________


Dialogue - SS and Tamikosmom:


Quote from: SS on November 24, 2008, 10:13:44 PM


I have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do.  If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone.  ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers.  Unfortunately, that isn't what happened.  The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group.  When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream.  These actions are beyond explanation or justification.


Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PM

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.
Thanks SS.
Janet


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »


Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on June 27, 2009, 01:24:47 PM
Help! What's the deal? When I try to post, the lines keep jumping as I type. Maybe is all of this heat!
Can anyone help with the jumps while I type my post?

Hotping, If a storm would come to my area, it would be the 4th. one in 4yrs. I would rather just regular rain. Sheesh, we've had some horrible hurricanes and don't need anymore. I told my neighbors that I would do a nude raindance soon. LOL!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
No I wasn't wishing for a bad storm just maybe some rain from a storm!

About the jumping when You are trying to post.....Have You recently upgraded to Internet explorer 8 if so go to tools and click on compatablitity view and hopefully it will stop...the same thing happened to Me...Good Luck.....  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Hotping and Wreck. It did help and now I know I wasn't crazy! Have a great weekend everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 01:27:12 PM

Have a great weekend Cajun Miracle!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 27, 2009, 01:45:06 PM
Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

It's sweltering here, so I'm in the AC catching up on what you guys have been doing.

Just wanted to say HELLO and wish you all a great week-end!!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

It's sweltering here, so I'm in the AC catching up on what you guys have been doing.

Just wanted to say HELLO and wish you all a great week-end!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Hi CBB!  It's blazing hot here today too, I'm headed outside for as long as I can stand it to do a few things.

Have a great weekend!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
WHO was able to convence SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap.

Janet

++++++++

DECEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


JANUARY, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2009, 02:34:23 PM
Well ... I have another 30 minutes behind the scenes working on my document and ... then tidying up for company is where it is at.

I hope that rain is in the immediate future for all you who are experiencing the hot/dry spell.

Have a good Saturday Monkeys.

Janet
11:30 AM PT

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2009, 02:56:02 PM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?



Kermit

What is the holdup?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

BUMPED!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2009, 03:42:12 PM
WHO was able to convInce SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important in researching the Persistence story that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well her reasoning why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap and ... Tamikosmom concurred.

Janet

++++++++

DECEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years  .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


JANUARY, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440



A REMINDER

The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning.  I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand  and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman:  John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand.

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 07:41:32 PM
6/27/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

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Papiamentu translation:

accidente earnest cu one sambuyador

diabierna morning owing to enter informacion of one caso at barcadera, where cu boat cu owing to bay take away turistanan for diving owing to happen on one tourist cu owing to cay for of the boat. at once owing to dirigi police because; ambulance p’e sitio. at arrival of the patrol policial, they owing to achieve cu one boat cu owing to end of trece one victima of one accidente on lama. is deal here of one tourist cu will owing to cay for of boat y after of esey the wiek of the boat will owing to strike his cabes. others is tell, cu chapaleta of the boat owing to clip the tourist here malamente in his cabez. mirando the gravedad owing to ask presencia of ambulance cu more urgencia, y at they arrival at once did take the victima over for of the boat y owing to pase in ambulance p’asina owing to hibe hospital. according one ultimo informe his condicion is stabiel. autoridad have the caso here bao investigacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 07:44:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58791.php

Pitcher Sidney Ponson suspended for doping

27 Jun, 2009, 14:33 (GMT -04:00)

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Sidney Ponson

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban baseball player Sidney Ponson (32), the international baseball federation for two years suspended for doping. The pitcher for Kansas City Royals in March during the World Baseball Classic, caught on the use of the banned stimulant phentermine, an appetite inhibitor.

The Dutch team which Ponson threw then, during the world tournament was a surprisingly good impression. Shortly after he signed a Minor League contract with Kansas City Royals. He would in time also in the Major League could work.

Ponson is injured on his right elbow, an injury he suffered in May. He may, however, for the U.S. team to come out. The U.S. baseball federation follows the guidelines of the International andidopingbureau WADA condemns not a player in the case of a first offense to a fine and a medical examination.

According to the agent of the ballplayer Ponson swallowed the drug to lose weight. "The medicine was prescribed by a doctor," said the manager of Kansas City Royals, Trey Hillman to AP news agency. "He had all the party is aware that he swallowed it and it was good."

Ponson made his debut in 1998 in the U.S. Major League. He played including Texas, New York Yankees, Baltimore, San Francisco and this year for Kansas City. His best season was in 2003.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 27, 2009, 07:51:49 PM
Does anyone know who this Jossy Mansur is, or is it just an old picture.
Friend of Julia Renfro
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1588057630&hiq=julia%2Crenfro


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Maybe?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/staff/

snip

EDITOR
Agencia Arubano di Noticia

DIRECTOR
Jossy M. Mansur

DIRECTOR ASISTENTE
Luis M. Mansur

Jossy E. Mansur

Eduardo Mansur

Damilice Mansur

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In the middle picture, the guy on the far left, in blue shirt and blue jeans, has the same eyes/look as the "scary" guy, in the corner, in the Mos picture on the Persistence. The guy on boat looked heavier and had less hair but the face looks the same.   :smt102

If someone that has far better computer skills then i,could impose both pictures of this gentleman side by side,that would be greatly appreciated!TIA.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 07:53:34 PM
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Google translation:

Brenda Bouwman no longer Amigoe

27 Jun, 2009, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Brenda Bouwman works since the end of May this year more Amigoe di Aruba. Bouman has a number of important management decisions of the Amigoe groups. In particular, improving the delivery of the paper, printing the newspaper on Aruba and the move to samana Building took place under her leadership.

Thanks to all colleagues take Brenda Bouwman afascheid of Amigoe di Aruba. The Group Amigoe wish her all the best.
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Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.


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Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 07:57:51 PM
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Google translation:

Kamelya Naderi (24) missing

27 Jun, 2009, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The 24-year-old Kamelya Naderi has Tuesday, May 12 missing. The origin of Iranian women stayed at a friend but left after a quarrel. On May 12 she had the last contact with her brother in the Netherlands. She also later had telephone contact with a friend on Texel. In that interview she gave to stay with friends they had met during her stay in Aruba.

Naderi has long blond curly hair, brown eyes and a tinted color. She is 1 meter 60 long and has a slim build. Notable features include a tattoo of a butterfly on her belly and navel piercing. She wears a gold name necklace. Persons with information about this woman is asked to contact the Dutch search in Alkmaar. Tips can also be reported on the website of TV Missing: www.vermist.nl.


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Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 08:00:56 PM
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Google translation:

Aruba

Aruba denies problems with police and court

27 Jun, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - "The tone is arrogant. The letter also breathes pretend as if knowledge of the facts are considered. Not at all, this is the case. "" That letter uses vague and made no factual foundation. "The two letters from the reign of the First Lady and Second Chamber demonstrated an unfortunate lack of understanding of facts."

Here are some sentences from the letters of Aruban authorities who responded to the letter from the Dutch State Secretary for Kingdom Relations, Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) on May 25 on the state of governance in Aruba in the Dutch parliament. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has personally handed over during the lightning visit of the Secretary of State last Monday to Aruba. The State could not yet respond. "Try again in a few weeks," said its spokesman.

The letters were also sent to the First and Second Chamber, the Vice-President of the Council of State and the Aruban parliament. These are six letters in June prepared by the Attorney-General (PG), the chief of police, the head of the National Investigation, Prison Service, aliens IASA organization and the Registry of the Court in First Instance.

Corruption
PG Rob Pietersz emphasized in his letter to the Netherlands he was earlier in this newspaper said: "The declarations in respect of corruption are not excessively high. That is exaggerated. Accordingly, there are many more reports in the Netherlands in corruption cases. "Most cases are prosecuted and the guilty to trial, which the PG is shown that the mechanism of prosecution work. And there is no reason to say that the prosecution is not "appropriate" function. The PG and the head of the National Criminal cases are not left as a result of understaffing. "There is in the last four years a small number of major corruption investigations to the National Recherche dedicated, additional human resources required," said the head of the rechercheteam. This was the team co-operation of other services. Early this year, two investigators
attracted.

Court
State Secretary Bijleveld, in its letter and also that of February 23 to the Lower House expressed its concerns about the functioning of justice in Aruba. This view from above in the 'difficult' Notice of Aruba to the improvement of the Common Court of Justice. And also that our country against the concept rijkswet CRWH for the new organization of the Court after the disintegration of the Netherlands Antilles.
This will include the land registries no services anymore. Aruba, who like the Court is sitting here, has now decided that the registry service remains a country. The Registry of the Court in First Instance reacts to this by stating that the CRWH an elaboration of the 2005 opinion established by the Court. Aruba is not a contribution when requested and not to the resulting plan. Furthermore, the court in recent years the organization's management to improve and optimize to. The training of staff, better staff organization, administration and ICT. The annual report of the Court of 2007, according to the court that the Aruban court is not bad. The judges appear per person double the number of cases to handle than, for example, judges in Curaçao, which also deal with the affairs of Bonaire. "If the higher appeals included is the production per court 100 percent higher than in Curaçao," said the clerk, according to whom the results thus partly thanks to the support staff. The court says that there is indeed still need improvements, but called the statement of the Secretary of State - on the difficult Aruba to improve the necessary improvements by the short turn.


Police
The Netherlands believes that the government here does little to the improvement of the Aruba Police Corps, which results from the 2006 protocol concluded between the two countries to facilitate. This is slow progress. Also because there is a large and under the Corps does not always supported by other government, which is needed for projects to be implemented. The chief does not believe that the Government or Minister of Justice does not want to invest in the Corps. He recognizes that not all red tape 'promote' is: "But many countries suffer from." Also, he declared by the staff stop by the government, not all vacancies can be filled. Chief Peter de Witte decision letter with a number of positive developments. As an increase of 40 percent of the number of minutes compared to 2006 and that crime rises less than other countries in the region.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 08:05:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58785.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Five years required for importing 42 kilos of coke

27 Jun, 2009, 14:25 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A group of three men, C.F. Mathilda, R.A. Aular and B.M. Cuero,
Thursday had to justify before the court for various drug offenses. Main suspect Cuero heard five year unconditional imprisonment against themselves requirements. The public prosecutor (OM) is responsible for the importation of 42 kilos of cocaine late September 2008.

Cuero is also accused of possession of nearly 9 pounds of marijuana on October 10, 2008. The drugs were found in the car of his girlfriend, packed in different packages. Cuero has admitted that he had asked his girlfriend to get the packets but it says nothing to do. The drugs were his and he takes responsibility for it. On October 24, 2008 Cuero was arrested and is committed to search his residence in Seru Pita. The officer is there when using a drug dog found evidence of drugs. Finally, the suspect also accused of membership in a criminal organization. Cuero denies this, however, certainly. The officer stressed that the suspect in 2005 even though convicted drug for five years and therefore demanded unconditional.

By Mathilda demanded the officer 180 days jail with less pre-trial and probation of two years. He is accused of drug possession. He would be between September and October 2008 for about 3.5 grams of cocaine in his car had. He was also the OM in possession of several packages of marijuana with a total weight of over 1.5 kilos.

The third suspect Aular is due to medical problems abroad. It is unknown when he returned to the island will be for the court appearance. The case against him is therefore provisionally postponed.


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Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 08:09:26 PM
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Google translation:

Aruba

Agents move to the right

27 Jun, 2009, 14:24 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Police union to get SPA Tuesday, June 30 to court because some 60 policemen secure their allowance have been paid yet. "We have talked," said SPA President Guillfred Besaril.

"Since April, we were promised that we would get paid continuously allowance. Then in May and now we have decided to court to find a solution, "says Besaril. The government must pay each police officer an allowance because they continuously running service. This means that they do not work nine to five but irregular times. According Besaril is about fifty or sixty a man who have not received their money. Per agent is an amount of 750 a 1500 florin. This means that the government must pay up to 90,000 florin this group police officers. According Besaril gave the government as reason not to pay them 'questions' have. "With question marks mean the government that they are not sure whether the police meet all the requirements to qualify for the allowance paid to get. If the possibility exists that the agents do not meet the requirements they must meet to be eligible for the continuous allowance, the government should warn us a long time. This has never happened. "In 2008 there was a similar case involving two policemen walked into the court. They won this matter eventually. "It's not fair that some of the agents that the same work as the other, well paid and the other not." SPA is Monday in conversation with their lawyer Demmis Elis to see how this best can be solved and what actions they will undertake. "Maybe we need the normal working hours of staff work."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 08:27:19 PM
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She probably doesn't have a snowballs chance....but I liked some of what she had to say.    ::MonkeyCool::

Google translation:

Aruba

"Democracy must return to Aruba"

27 Jun, 2009, 14:19 (GMT -04:00)

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Merrel Curie
In run-up to parliamentary elections in September, the Amigoe a series of portraits of election candidates. Central to the campaign, funding and vision. This time a portrait of: Merrel Curie (31), new boxes candidate for the MPA.

ORANGE CITY - They want democracy in Aruba back. When Merrel Curie at the end of 2007 after a stay of twelve years abroad came back to Aruba, it was for her politically, a great shock. "Politics has always been a positive meaning, but here in Aruba is negative. Instead of problems and to talk to each other has been here in Aruba just criticize each other and nothing happens. "

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Curie, the people of Aruba to see it differently and many professional can. So no family or political appointees, but people with the right capabilities in the right positions. "How can we govern a country if there is no cooperation?" Asks Curriel wondered. "Aruba is a country and not two, one for the MEP and one for AVP.De the essence of democracy is gone, how can democratic Aruba with a party in government?"
For its part to contribute to the development of Aruba, Curie has decided to enter politics. It indicates that the time for change. "If we repeat the same government at the helm, then it would be to Aruba, be too late may. Four years this policy is detrimental to Aruba, so Curiel disagree. "Now we can have something to do, I would like my contribution to make." As a party was the MEP as the ASF directly, since, as the politician in waiting, guilty to the current mismanagement. The choice of the MPA was the brand-politician made quickly. "It's a party four years and a professional at the helm has."

The party is characterized, according to Curie, by her determination, courage, commitment and courage. "At this time, these are capabilities that we use it, there would need to happen Aruba change. I am not a politician but I would like to work hard and I have the knowledge. "They think that they fit in a neighborhood with young professionals who are all eager to make change. A traditional way of thinking does not fit with her.

MPA goes for four, five seats in parliament. Together with the democratic party wants Curie thoughts Aruba alive. They hope that a coalition government can be. Curie is still too early to indicate which parties should form coalition. "This is for the people of Aruba, but good governance and sound policies which will form the basis of a new government. "If they are elected by the people, then she will be a place in the States or even a minister post proudly accept.

Health
MPA is a social democratic party in which the human heart and in the policy as they are very social. Curie said that the Party has achieved a lot last four years, but they still want more. Given her background in biochemistry is its flagship health. The current situation in health is very bad example, she concludes. As one of its first tasks, it is creating an entirely new policy. "Regrettably, in recent years there have been people who had ideas but not knowledge. This Aruba now live with the consequences. "As an example she cites the poor level of the hospital. Also, she questioned the Director of Public Health which it also is the Inspector of Health. "Someone can not simultaneously hold such functions. This may simply not. "It is certainly intend to change to it.

Not afraid of audit
The relationship with the Netherlands should definitely work, to give Curie. The current corruption investigation that the Netherlands wants to implement should certainly come, they will find, however, she feels that good should be thought about who or what body should carry out this research. "It is very important that this should not be afraid Aruba for an investigation, but this right should welcome. "Especially if you have nothing to hide, why would you then fear and stop?" She likes the fact that Aruba with some regular checks will and must be seen as an audit, a country where many of can learn. "Imagine if nobody checks, where should it go!"

Curie found that Aruba is lagging behind the rest of the world. The government should go professional. There should be invested in education, training and education of officials. "You can do much to invest in infrastructure and beautiful new buildings down, but if people in those buildings have no working knowledge of the facts, then we do not shoot it." In addition, Curie how Aruba is currently with the Dutch so-called European deals are difficult to digest. They find it shameful that this group of people discriminated against. "Arubans have a big mouth when it comes to discrimination, but they do it just as hard. And why should an Aruban or move to the Netherlands and not the other? " Again, these are issues that her heart.

Healthy Schools
For the youth should there Curie better after-school care to be: "Both parents usually work and the children roam the streets." She wants children after school to the reception, where they have homework, sports and can go with their peers in a safe environment to spend time. Also she called "healthy schools" where they introduce stress imposed that eating healthy food at an early stage should be taught. This so that the children normally that healthy food and snack all day. "At this moment leads 77 percent of the population of Aruba obesity with all consequences. It should really be implemented compete. "To reduce it would also introduce a healthy food label. Also entering the school is at its high on the list. "Where do you find a country in 2009 which still has no school, it is too ridiculous for words."

Curie regrets that the present government so little attention is paid to the youth, "The youth is after all our future, we should invest in". In addition, the government will consider its own future as Aruba now depends on two pillars: the Valero and tourism. "Now the Valero threatens to fall, would only tourism remain. Aruba should start thinking about diversification of the island, for example by encouraging small business or medical tourism. It is time for initiatives instead of waiting. "

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Campaign
The new bins politician is all in her campaign started. In addition to the traditional way of campaigning, such as giving interviews, writing articles and giving press conferences, if they try dialogue with the people to launch. They appeal to the people themselves. If she has a support team that will accompany her campaign. The campaign itself will be financed by funds obtained by fundraising and organizing various activities. It indicates that the MPA is not so much money that her and the pink houses on the island will appear, but: "This is the party free to do what we want and we are not influenced by sponsors who always value for money want to have. "MPA is also against the sponsors of their campaign and want to remain neutral. The Committee will also, if necessary, private money in the campaign stabbing. "Everything for the charity."

CV
Merrel Curie (31) is married and has one daughter half. After completing her havo she vetrokken to America to study biology at the Florida International University. After her graduation in 2001 she moved to Leiden to the University of Leiden to study biomedical sciences. In 2004 she studied and she at first worked for two major research projects, then the industry was as a medical advisor. November 2007 Curie is returned to Aruba and has established himself as an independent entrepreneur.


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Kindergarten closed because Mexican flu 26 Jun, 2009, 14:20 (GMT -04:00)

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Kindergarten the Frogs precautionary temporarily close its doors after it was disclosed that one of the infants infected with Mexican flu.

ORANGE CITY - Frogs in the kindergarten Bubali since closed yesterday due to a case of the Mexican flu. It is not a new case but the three-brother of the pupil of Kudawecha confirms Anky Vrolijk, coordinator of the Frogs. Kudawecha was closed yesterday after it was known that a pupil AH1N1 the virus had occurred.

The games will remain closed as a precaution a week. "The child was already a week into school. The risk of infection is therefore very small, "said Vrolijk. The kindergarten has 19 children and two escorts. These are only tested if they have flu symptoms, says the coordinator.

The building of the kindergarten, to include after-school care Kapoentje be thoroughly cleaned to reduce the chance of contamination as small as possible. Kapoentje remain closed until Monday, Frogs will reopen next Thursday. Both Kapoentje the Frogs covered by Dori foundation.

"When we heard that the final child was infected with swine flu, I immediately contacted the board of our foundation," said Vrolijk. "In consultation was then decided to close the security two days to go for a thorough cleaning." Incidentally, this was not a requirement, the authorities have advised us but not imposed, they stressed. They also want to say that they are helped by the staff of Public Health. "They are long and have helped us very well in informing the parents." The parents of the other children responded by Vrolijk quiet. "There was no panic or chaos, they were very understanding." The infected boy is it good Vrolijk. "I spoke with the mother and his symptoms are gone. He had no medicine but simply uitgeziekt. "The boy was suspected of contamination by contact with his uncle, an athlete who only fought back a volleybaltoernooi in Trinidad. The mother contacted the Diagnostic Center when the children on June 18 flu symptoms as fever and had diarrhea.


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Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 08:55:49 PM
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Original Text:

Maiky Farro a fayece awe     
Saturday, 27 June 2009 - 16:28 


Un rato pasa a drenta informacion cu e conocido Maiky Farro a fayece na dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital. Maiky Faro a bira conoci despues di a keda deteni acusa di a malversa casi 10 miyon florin na Lands Laboratorium. Corte a condene algun luna pasa pero recientemente el'a bira malo y mester a wordo interna den Hospital. Manera cu nos a publica ayera caba, e tabata den Medium Care y debi na su situacion delicado a pase pa Cuido Intensivo y tabata lucha pa su bida. Awe sinembargo el'a lanta mas malo y complicacionnan a pone cu el'a fayece. Forza na su famianan y paz na su restonan.

Papiamentu translation:

maiky farro owing to fayece (died) today

saturday, 27 june 2009 - 16:28 one rato happen owing to enter informacion cu the conocido maiky farro owing to fayece at dr. horacio oduber hospital. maiky farro owing to become conoci after of owing to stay deteni acusa of owing to malversa casi 10 miyon guilder at lands laboratorium. corte owing to condene some month happen but recientemente el'a become bad y have to owing to wordo interna in hospital. as cu we owing to publica yesterday end, the was in medium care y debi at his situation delicado owing to pase for cuido intensivo y was struggle for his life. today sinembargo el'a arise more bad y complicacionnan owing to place cu el'a fayece. forza at his famianan y paz at his restonan.

This is a news clip from 4/3/09 when he was sentenced.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
WHO was able to convInce SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important in researching the Persistence story that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well her reasoning why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap and ... Tamikosmom concurred.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
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I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years  .....

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« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440



A REMINDER

The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning.  I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand  and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman:  John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand.

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2009, 09:10:08 PM
In December, 2007 ... SS was distancing herself from John Silvetti and CAPS.  She was a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words.  What/Who cased her backtrack and ... once again embrace those whose loyalty to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway now took a backseat.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  On Dec 30th the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true, it was premature and should have been replaced with action- seeing that the evidence was collected and handled properly.

I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours

I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks.

Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2009, 09:34:05 PM
texasmom

I hope you had a good day.

I feel great ... my house is perfectly clean.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was motivated to vacuum and dust from top to bottom as hubby's sister and BIL where driving out from Vancouver mid afternoon for a visit, dinner and a movie.

Well ... BIL was called into work ... double time ... did not want to miss out.

Hubby and I decided to go to the movie anyways and .. invited friends to join us.  We will be leaving shortly.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
6:30 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2009, 09:35:01 PM
Gee what a shock:  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58791.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/PonsonDoping.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2009, 09:35:43 PM
Klaas

I was just reading in Musings that you were not well.  I hope you are now on the mend.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 09:47:46 PM
texasmom

I hope you had a good day.

I feel great ... my house is perfectly clean.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was motivated to vacuum and dust from top to bottom as hubby's sister and BIL where driving out from Vancouver mid afternoon for a visit, dinner and a movie.

Well ... BIL was called into work ... double time ... did not want to miss out.

Hubby and I decided to go to the movie anyways and .. invited friends to join us.  We will be leaving shortly.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
6:30 PM

I had a good day, thanks for asking Janet!  I hope you enjoy the movie, sounds like fun!

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 09:51:03 PM
Does anyone know who this Jossy Mansur is, or is it just an old picture.
Friend of Julia Renfro
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1588057630&hiq=julia%2Crenfro


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/n700408585_1282.jpg)

Maybe?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/staff/

snip

EDITOR
Agencia Arubano di Noticia

DIRECTOR
Jossy M. Mansur

DIRECTOR ASISTENTE
Luis M. Mansur

Jossy E. Mansur

Eduardo Mansur

Damilice Mansur

snip

http://www.diarioaruba.com/

6/6/2009 Diario Front Page

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/06062009Diario_FP.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/06062009_Diario_Mansurs_EvelynWe-1.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.500

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/JossyEMansurLuisMansurMariaineValer.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/JossyEMansur_.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546724#msg546724

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/Jossysfamily_1.jpg)



In the middle picture, the guy on the far left, in blue shirt and blue jeans, has the same eyes/look as the "scary" guy, in the corner, in the Mos picture on the Persistence. The guy on boat looked heavier and had less hair but the face looks the same.   :smt102

If someone that has far better computer skills then i,could impose both pictures of this gentleman side by side,that would be greatly appreciated!TIA.. ::MonkeyCool::

I don't know which one you meant KTF, and I'm not sure my skills are "far better"; but I tried. 
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 09:52:43 PM
I hope this is the one Buckeye meant! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2009, 10:08:40 PM
Gee what a shock:  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58791.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/PonsonDoping.jpg)

I know, I thought the same thing!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 27, 2009, 10:38:59 PM
Sidney Ponson is the biggest buffoon in Baseball .....................EVER!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on June 27, 2009, 11:17:54 PM
Sidney Ponson is the biggest buffoon in Baseball .....................EVER!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

He sure is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 28, 2009, 12:31:02 AM
Sidney Ponson is the biggest buffoon in Baseball .....................EVER!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

He sure is.

Another of Aruba's finest.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 28, 2009, 02:21:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 10:30:45 AM
Morning Exercises with Tamikosmom

One, Two, Three ...

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 28, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 10:35:52 AM
REMINDER


THE CONFESSION - JUNE 10, 2005

On June 10, 2005, a spokesperson for the office of the Aruban Minister of Justice reported that authorities confirmed the death of Natalee Holloway and the location of her body was known.

The Aruban chief of police reported that one of the suspects had provided a confession but ... the chief refused to reveal which suspect.

Prior to the Aruban Justice Minister's denial and his spokesperson's retraction, Natalee Holloway's parents had been notified of their daughter's demise and ... some members were taken to the lighthouse located at Arisha beach.

Janet
7:35 AM PT

________

'Fox News'

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


'Fox News'

RICK LEVENTHAL: We reconfirmed the information with Croues before going on-air with it.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html
 

'CBS News'

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


'Meridian Star'

DAVE HOLLOWAY: At some point into this investigation, as time goes on and you don’t find her, you start realizing that things are not looking good. We got that confirmation pretty much from the FBI on June 10. They came to us and said the investigation appears to be heading toward a homicide case.

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html


'Scarborough Country'

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


'Crime/Punishment'

Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.

http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm


'Fox News'

Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 10:45:33 AM
A REMINDER

The personals and professional connections that existed between Paulus van der Sloot and those within the investigation ... within the government .... within the judiciary ... implies legal conflicts of interest under Dutch law.

Justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance!

______

CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

THE ACCORDING TO RUDY CROES

Dutch News - December 4, 2008

Van der Sloot father hindered Natalee probe’


Dutchman Jan van der Straten, who the Caribbean island of Aruba when US teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, seriously hindered the investigation in the first few days, Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes is quoted as saying by news agency ANP.

ANP says Croes claims Van der Straten was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran, who was suspected of being involved in the disappearance. Such rumours have circulated on the island for some time, ANP says.

According to ANP, Croes made the statement following criticism of the Aruban police force made by Van der Straten earlier this week.
Questioning

Croes said that Joran and two other suspects were only taken in for questioning 10 days after Holloway went missing ‘when the first days are crucial in a disappearance’. And he claims he heard Van der Straten say ‘I cannot do that to my friend Paul’.
 
Croes also claims there were a lot of telephone conversations between Van der Sloot senior and Van der Straten and that a ‘second class’ police team was put on the investigation. ‘It was the team used during the carnival celebrations,’ ANP reports him as saying.

In addition, Croes accuses the Dutch government of failing to provide any moral support to Aruba. He says the Aruban authorities were pressurised to present Joran van der Sloot as an Aruban, not a Dutch national.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/van_der_sloots_father_hindered.php


ACCORDING TO JOSSY MANSUR

NANCY GRACE - October 4, 2005

Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway


GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

NOVA - June 28, 2005


TWAN HUYS:  Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

HUYS: So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Mrs. Croes.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

VAN DER SLOOT That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 28, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
In December, 2007 ... SS was distancing herself from John Silvetti and CAPS.  She was a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words.  What/Who cased her backtrack and ... once again embrace those whose loyalty to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway now took a backseat.

Janet

++++++++


DECEMBER, 2007

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  On Dec 30th the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true, it was premature and should have been replaced with action- seeing that the evidence was collected and handled properly.

I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours

I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks.

Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Persistence, John Silvetti, and all those who searched for Natalee will always be on the hero list.  How many would spend long days searching the water, the dump, the crack houses?  

Humans may form opinions of their conduct.  My opinion - all the searchers are on the hero list.

God knows what is in their heart.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on June 28, 2009, 11:26:05 AM
WHO was able to convence SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap.

Janet

++++++++

DECEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


JANUARY, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440


I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 28, 2009, 11:52:16 AM
WHO was able to convence SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap.

Janet

++++++++

DECEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


JANUARY, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440


I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others

So, you believe Natalee is on land, as some others also believe?
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::

Can you elaborate?  Do you know for a fact that SS is more informed?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 28, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
 :smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
WHO was able to convence SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap.

Janet

++++++++

DECEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


JANUARY, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440


I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed  ::MonkeyWink::

What does one have to do or ... what does one have to be ... to be be afforded the priviledge of being "informed"?

Could it be that when SS strayed from the John Silvetti/CAPS flock and ... embraced the implications of Kyle Kingsman's own words ... there was immediate damage control and ... she was influenced by the "masters of deception" who are participating in the furthering of  the coverup in the Aruban investigation to return to the fold?

bastibro ... Since jumping back on the John Silvetti/CAPS bandwagons after affording credit to Kyle Kingman's own words ... SS has despicably attacked Kermit ... the messenger.   SS's silence regarding Kyle Kingman's own words implies that this young man has been given a free pass.  What is wrong with this picture?

Prodical Monkeys have a choice ... either Kyle Kingman is the grandfather of all liars and John Silvetti has been despicably defamed OR ... Kyle Kingman was revealing the truth and John Silvetti participated with the enemy in furthering the Aruban coverup.

Which is it?

Janet

+++++


PRODICAL MONKEY

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS. There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

DECEMBER 30, 2007 - VISUAL DIVE

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive.  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


JANUARY 7, 2008 - RECOVERY DIVE

Kyle Kingman
   I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


NATALEE'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 12:32:08 PM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?



Kermit

What is the holdup?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 12:33:36 PM
Off to church!!

Have a good Sunday Monkeys.

Janet
9:35 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

No not difficult at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 28, 2009, 03:26:25 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

Very good questions 2nj..It is very difficult to have a Logical answer for a logical question.Especially when one is not very logical... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 03:27:08 PM

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::

bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... what who does one have to be ... to be afforded the priviledge of being "informed"?

Obviously ... Tamikosmom has been deemed unworthy.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 28, 2009, 03:28:52 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

No not difficult at all.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/MonkeyDriveBy.gif)

Seems like very simple questions are never answered.  Why is that?  hmmmm  ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 03:34:07 PM

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::
bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... who does one have to be ... to be afforded the honor of being "informed"?

Obviously ... Tamikosmom has been deemed unworthy.  It appears to be her destiny to continue groping in the dark in her quest for answers.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Often one person ... or maybe more ... who possess an agenda as well as the gift of deception can enter an scenario and disrupt the status quo of a group by spewing lies that cause some to question all that they had previously believed about about a person or a situation.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

No not difficult at all.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/MonkeyDriveBy.gif)

Seems like very simple questions are never answered.  Why is that?  hmmmm  ::MonkeyRoll::



... but ... but ... remember ... you do not care texasmom.

  ::MonkeyDevil::

Happy Sunday texasmom.

It was bath day for your precious doggies last week and ... it is bath day for Brandi today.  Two weeks ago ... our old gal rolled in one of the flower beds immediately following her shampoo, rinse and brush.  So ungrateful!  What a mess!  The rolling destroy a few flowering plants that we were antipating to be in full bloom on July 11th at the wedding of hubby's niece which is taking place on our property.

Today Brandi will be brought into the house until she is complete dry.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: GabbyG on June 28, 2009, 03:45:45 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi texasmom and Monkeys!! I dont post often but have read every day since the first week Natalee went missing. I found texasmom's and Wreck's posts interesting because I also live in Texas (about an hour from Dallas) and had an interesting and informative conversation with a neighbor quite a few years back who was a police officer. My ex worked second shift and kept a 22 pistol in our bedroom should we have an intruder. The policer officer told my ex to get me a larger caliber pistol, and then told me that if I had to shoot someone to make sure they were dead as the intruder (back then) could file charges on me for attempted murder while I could only file charges for B&E! An interesting side note, my ex and I belonged to a gun club and were competitive shooters in Texas and Oklahoma, so like texasmom, I am no stranger to guns and would not be afraid to use one, and with my shooting experience I would most likely hit what I was aiming at, especially an intruder at close range.
Anyway, I found these posts interesting and wanted to comment. Wreck, Im glad to know the law has changed, the police officer back then had advised me to shoot an intruder even if outside and then drag him inside and claim bodily threat towards me. I live alone since my divorce quite a long time ago but my children don't worry about me because they know my ability with a gun, and they know my thoughts on shooting an intruder. The officer told me that day that if someone is trying to come in who was not invited, obviously he is not there for any good reason. Also, when learning to shoot MANY moons ago I was taught that whenever I picked up a gun I should do so with the intent to use it...which the police officer also told me that day we had the conversation.
Sorry for the O/T but these posts were interesting and I just wanted to comment.

Also, I am not in the current Natalee thread often because I made a project out of going back and re-reading the Natalee threads starting with thread # 750! It has been a very interesting read to say the least, although very time consuming. I am on thread # 795 now, a long way to go but I couldn't stop now even if I wanted to! Puts a lot of things in a clearer and fresher perspective.
Hugs to all Monkeys, and thank you for your determination! This case screams for us to never give up!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 28, 2009, 03:54:33 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi texasmom and Monkeys!! I dont post often but have read every day since the first week Natalee went missing. I found texasmom's and Wreck's posts interesting because I also live in Texas (about an hour from Dallas) and had an interesting and informative conversation with a neighbor quite a few years back who was a police officer. My ex worked second shift and kept a 22 pistol in our bedroom should we have an intruder. The policer officer told my ex to get me a larger caliber pistol, and then told me that if I had to shoot someone to make sure they were dead as the intruder (back then) could file charges on me for attempted murder while I could only file charges for B&E! An interesting side note, my ex and I belonged to a gun club and were competitive shooters in Texas and Oklahoma, so like texasmom, I am no stranger to guns and would not be afraid to use one, and with my shooting experience I would most likely hit what I was aiming at, especially an intruder at close range.
Anyway, I found these posts interesting and wanted to comment. Wreck, Im glad to know the law has changed, the police officer back then had advised me to shoot an intruder even if outside and then drag him inside and claim bodily threat towards me. I live alone since my divorce quite a long time ago but my children don't worry about me because they know my ability with a gun, and they know my thoughts on shooting an intruder. The officer told me that day that if someone is trying to come in who was not invited, obviously he is not there for any good reason. Also, when learning to shoot MANY moons ago I was taught that whenever I picked up a gun I should do so with the intent to use it...which the police officer also told me that day we had the conversation.
Sorry for the O/T but these posts were interesting and I just wanted to comment.

Also, I am not in the current Natalee thread often because I made a project out of going back and re-reading the Natalee threads starting with thread # 750! It has been a very interesting read to say the least, although very time consuming. I am on thread # 795 now, a long way to go but I couldn't stop now even if I wanted to! Puts a lot of things in a clearer and fresher perspective.
Hugs to all Monkeys, and thank you for your determination! This case screams for us to never give up!
Amen!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on June 28, 2009, 03:55:30 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

Very good questions 2nj..It is very difficult to have a Logical answer for a logical question.Especially when one is not very logical... ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 28, 2009, 03:55:36 PM
Reading from #750 to the current thread will put many things in perspective.Hope you haven't had to take any aspirin GabbyG.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 03:56:55 PM


<snipped?

Also, I am not in the current Natalee thread often because I made a project out of going back and re-reading the Natalee threads starting with thread # 750! It has been a very interesting read to say the least, although very time consuming. I am on thread # 795 now, a long way to go but I couldn't stop now even if I wanted to! Puts a lot of things in a clearer and fresher perspective.

Hugs to all Monkeys, and thank you for your determination! This case screams for us to never give up!


Gabby

At this rate you are going to need a stronger pair of specs by the time you catch up.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Hugs to you too and ... thank you for stopping by.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 03:59:21 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

Very good questions 2nj..It is very difficult to have a Logical answer for a logical question.Especially when one is not very logical... ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::

Yes Keepthefaith

Logic dictates!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 28, 2009, 04:06:32 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

Very good questions 2nj..It is very difficult to have a Logical answer for a logical question.Especially when one is not very logical... ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::

Yes Keepthefaith

Logic dictates!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 28, 2009, 04:10:38 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

Very good questions 2nj..It is very difficult to have a Logical answer for a logical question.Especially when one is not very logical... ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::

Devious activities call for illogical answers to anything logical..Kinda like Hermit Crabs! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 04:22:47 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

Very good questions 2nj..It is very difficult to have a Logical answer for a logical question.Especially when one is not very logical... ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::

Devious activities call for illogical answers to anything logical..Kinda like Hermit Crabs! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Early on ... Natalee Holloway's uncle ... who possesses amazing insight ... was able to anticipate that scenario ...

Janet

++++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 28, 2009, 04:26:33 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi texasmom and Monkeys!! I dont post often but have read every day since the first week Natalee went missing. I found texasmom's and Wreck's posts interesting because I also live in Texas (about an hour from Dallas) and had an interesting and informative conversation with a neighbor quite a few years back who was a police officer. My ex worked second shift and kept a 22 pistol in our bedroom should we have an intruder. The policer officer told my ex to get me a larger caliber pistol, and then told me that if I had to shoot someone to make sure they were dead as the intruder (back then) could file charges on me for attempted murder while I could only file charges for B&E! An interesting side note, my ex and I belonged to a gun club and were competitive shooters in Texas and Oklahoma, so like texasmom, I am no stranger to guns and would not be afraid to use one, and with my shooting experience I would most likely hit what I was aiming at, especially an intruder at close range.
Anyway, I found these posts interesting and wanted to comment. Wreck, Im glad to know the law has changed, the police officer back then had advised me to shoot an intruder even if outside and then drag him inside and claim bodily threat towards me. I live alone since my divorce quite a long time ago but my children don't worry about me because they know my ability with a gun, and they know my thoughts on shooting an intruder. The officer told me that day that if someone is trying to come in who was not invited, obviously he is not there for any good reason. Also, when learning to shoot MANY moons ago I was taught that whenever I picked up a gun I should do so with the intent to use it...which the police officer also told me that day we had the conversation.
Sorry for the O/T but these posts were interesting and I just wanted to comment.

Also, I am not in the current Natalee thread often because I made a project out of going back and re-reading the Natalee threads starting with thread # 750! It has been a very interesting read to say the least, although very time consuming. I am on thread # 795 now, a long way to go but I couldn't stop now even if I wanted to! Puts a lot of things in a clearer and fresher perspective.
Hugs to all Monkeys, and thank you for your determination! This case screams for us to never give up!

Hi GabbyG!  Good to see you!

I agree with your neighbor, a 22 leaves too much to chance. 
My 9mm and I are thisclose!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

A few things you may need while you're reading:

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(http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50247444/Stone_Hammer_With_Fiberglass_Handle__British_Type_.jpg)

(http://www.testriffic.com/resultfiles/17037whiskey_bottles.jpg)

(http://chipchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/swebox_lg.jpg)
(If I'd had one of these, I'd probably be in Maui right now!)

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Stop in and let us know how it's going when you have a chance, or need a break!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 28, 2009, 04:29:09 PM
:smt102   Were my questions that difficult?     

Very good questions 2nj..It is very difficult to have a Logical answer for a logical question.Especially when one is not very logical... ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::

Devious activities call for illogical answers to anything logical..Kinda like Hermit Crabs! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Early on ... Natalee Holloway's uncle ... who possesses amazing insight ... was able to anticipate that scenario ...

Janet

++++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880

The ability to forsee that Aruba would turn potential remains into Hermit Crabs is an extremely logical conclusion to the patterns exhibited by the EVIL of ARUBA..Natalee Holloway's Uncle saw it coming long before it happened.Those who turned the contents of the cage/trap over to the ALE are not hero's..PLAIN & SIMPLE..Now that's LOGIC! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 04:44:08 PM

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::
bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... who does one have to be ... to be afforded the honor of being "informed"?

Obviously ... Tamikosmom has been deemed unworthy.  It appears to be her destiny to continue groping in the dark in her quest for answers.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Often one person ... or maybe more ... who possess an agenda as well as the gift of deception can enter an scenario and disrupt the status quo of a group by spewing lies that cause some to question all that they had previously believed about about a person or a situation.

Janet



bastibro

I am not complaining.  I have learned in this journey called life that when one door is unfairly  slammed in my face ... God will open another in his perfect timing.  In the meantime ... I am expected to remain on the chosen path and forge ahead ... dealing with the obstacles, detours, hurts as well as discourgement along the way.  In other words ... as my father used to say ... "Suck it up Janet ... that's life!"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

++++++

Ecclesiastes 3:1
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven.

Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 05:49:13 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232
:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 28, 2009, 07:09:30 PM
Good evening Dear Monkeys. 

GabbyG, pick the Tylenol that tm put out there for you----It gets better the longing you read.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 28, 2009, 07:10:41 PM
Good evening Dear Monkeys. 

GabbyG, pick the Tylenol that tm put out there for you----It gets better the longing you read.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Correction:  should be "longer".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 28, 2009, 09:00:58 PM
6/27/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06272009AweMaintaPg7.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

meeting urgente of vigilancia of district pos chiquito y sabana broom!

is calling meeting of caracter of urgencia of "vigilancia of bario" of pos chiquito y sabana broom for tuesday now day 30 of june 2009 for 7.30 pm of night at club universal at pos chiquito.e preocupacion is big in district for cu ladronicia cu is tumando lugar y give animo at the miebronan of "vigilancia of bario" cu is controlando the barionan.e police of district for pos chiquito y sabana broom sr h. eights will is present at the meeting here for splica of his trabao in we barionan.abo because; inhabitant of district can trece do you preocupacion also front for her police of district for her can atende or the can pase for her instancianan concerni for atende do you preocupacion! all inhabitant is stay invita for tuesday now day 30 of june 2009 for 7.30 pm atende the meeting of suma importancia for we follow cuida we barionan for of hand of the ladronnan without escrupulo cu is kitando the trankilidad in we barionan. all inhabitant cu still not owing to atende none meeting till stay cordialmente invita also paatende the meeting here cu is important for come cu idea y strategia for we can follow cuida we barionan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on June 28, 2009, 11:00:11 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi texasmom and Monkeys!! I dont post often but have read every day since the first week Natalee went missing. I found texasmom's and Wreck's posts interesting because I also live in Texas (about an hour from Dallas) and had an interesting and informative conversation with a neighbor quite a few years back who was a police officer. My ex worked second shift and kept a 22 pistol in our bedroom should we have an intruder. The policer officer told my ex to get me a larger caliber pistol, and then told me that if I had to shoot someone to make sure they were dead as the intruder (back then) could file charges on me for attempted murder while I could only file charges for B&E! An interesting side note, my ex and I belonged to a gun club and were competitive shooters in Texas and Oklahoma, so like texasmom, I am no stranger to guns and would not be afraid to use one, and with my shooting experience I would most likely hit what I was aiming at, especially an intruder at close range.
Anyway, I found these posts interesting and wanted to comment. Wreck, Im glad to know the law has changed, the police officer back then had advised me to shoot an intruder even if outside and then drag him inside and claim bodily threat towards me. I live alone since my divorce quite a long time ago but my children don't worry about me because they know my ability with a gun, and they know my thoughts on shooting an intruder. The officer told me that day that if someone is trying to come in who was not invited, obviously he is not there for any good reason. Also, when learning to shoot MANY moons ago I was taught that whenever I picked up a gun I should do so with the intent to use it...which the police officer also told me that day we had the conversation.
Sorry for the O/T but these posts were interesting and I just wanted to comment.

Also, I am not in the current Natalee thread often because I made a project out of going back and re-reading the Natalee threads starting with thread # 750! It has been a very interesting read to say the least, although very time consuming. I am on thread # 795 now, a long way to go but I couldn't stop now even if I wanted to! Puts a lot of things in a clearer and fresher perspective.
Hugs to all Monkeys, and thank you for your determination! This case screams for us to never give up!
Hi Gabby! The "new" Texas law is absolutely why the 2nd Amendment to the Constituition was made.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 12:32:51 AM

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::

bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... who does one have to be ... to be afforded the honor of being one of the "informed"?

Janet


bastibro

Who "informed" SS and caused her to backtrack and ... once again climb upon the John Silvetti and CAPS bandwagon?

Janet

++++++++++

NOVEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 


Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546635#msg546635



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 12:35:29 AM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?



Kermit

What is the holdup?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 12:39:53 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229/230:
  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 29, 2009, 01:05:59 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON....

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 01:13:17 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:15 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 01:17:57 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON....

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night and God bless you too, KTF!  Very nice work!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 01:18:24 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:15 PM PT

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 29, 2009, 01:34:43 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON....

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night and God bless you too, KTF!  Very nice work!   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanx TM..GoodNight to you,as well as Janet! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 01:50:29 AM
http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=642:interpol-ta-kere-cu-e-ta-na-aruba-famia-di-kamelya-mirza-bagher-naderi-kier-sa-di-su-paradero&catid=11:local&Itemid=56

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Papiamentu translation:

interpol is believe cu the is at aruba family of kamelya mirza bagher naderi wanted know of his paradero

sunday, 28 june 2009 23:01

for several day end is tratando of achieve contacto cu the child muher here that probably will is scondi at aruba cu yudanza of conocirnan. is deal here of kamelyn mirza bagher naderi of 24 year. his family is tratando via all medio for achieve contacto cune y cos is bayendo enough far end. even is being talk cu peter de vries will owing to being notifica. first cu the asunto here become one "media circus" cuerpo of police of aruba is ask cooperacion of prensa local for ask the child muher menciona for as meld his self at one keep of police or ask cooperacion of the comunidad for if they look at the child muher here for they take contacto cu cuerpo policial. peticion of his buskeda owing to enter via interpol. kamelya, as the is being calling have 24 year of edad, of one estatura of 1.60 metre, cabey blond cu eye bruin. según police of noord-holland-noord, the lady here was at aruba, cu one amigo, but after of one quarrel the will have to owing to trip. one month happen, still the had contacto cu one brother man of dje at the netherlands y still 10 day happen, kamelya had one contacto telefonico y past owing to tell cu the is kedando at some conocir of dje at aruba. after of this, none person not owing to hear nothing more of the child muher here. kamelya mirza bagher naderi, de facto is procedente of iran. as menciona, the have cabey blond largo y is flaco. the have one tatoo of barbulet at his barica y have one piercing at his lombrishi. always the have one candena of gold view cu his name graba on dje. esnan cu can know algo of kamelya, take contacto cu police of immediate. police does not for history ripiti style natalee. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 02:02:35 AM
6/29/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

interpol is believe cu the is at aruba
family of kamelya mirza bagher naderi wanted know of his paradero

for several day end is tratando of achieve contacto cu the child muher here that probably will is scondi at aruba cu yudanza of conocirnan. is deal here of kamelyn mirza bagher naderi of 24 year. his family is tratando via all medio for achieve contacto cune y cos is bayendo enough far end. even is being talk cu peter de vries will owing to being notifica. first cu the asunto here become one "media circus" cuerpo of police of aruba is ask cooperacion of prensa local for ask the child muher menciona for as meld his self at one keep of police or ask cooperacion of the comunidad for if they look at the child muher here for they take contacto cu cuerpo policial. peticion of his buskeda owing to enter via interpol. kamelya, as the is being calling have 24 year of edad, of one estatura of 1.60 metre, cabey blond cu eye bruin. según police of noord-holland- north, the lady here was at aruba, cu one amigo, but after of one quarrel the will have to owing to trip. one month happen, still the had contacto cu one brother man of dje at the netherlands y still 10 day happen, kamelya had one contacto telefonico y past owing to tell cu the is kedando at some conocir of dje at aruba. after of this, none person not owing to hear nothing more of the child muher here. kamelya mirza bagher naderi, de facto is procedente of iran. as menciona, the have cabey blond largo y is flaco. the have one tatoo of barbulet at his barica y have one piercing at his lombrishi. always the have one candena of gold view cu his name graba on dje. esnan cu can know algo of kamelya, take contacto cu police of immediate. police does not for history ripiti style natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 03:17:15 AM
http://tinyurl.com/msx29p

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Recent photograph of the 24-year Kamelya Mirza Bagher Naderi

Kamelya Mirza BAGHER NADERI (female)

Place and date of birth: Iran, 1984

Away since: Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Last residence: Aruba, Netherlands Antilles

Appearance:  Long blond curly hair, brown eyes, dark complexion, slim stature 1.60 m, of butterfly tattoo on the belly and navel piercing. Kamelya wears a gold chain with her name.

Wanted by: Third parties

Additional info:
Since Tuesday, May 12, 2009, the 24-year Kemelya Mirza Bagher Naderi missing. She stayed with a friend on Aruba but left after a quarrel.  On May 12 she had contact with her brother in the Netherlands and later there is a telephone contact with a friend on Texel.  She gave in to friends to stay in Aruba.

Missing Poster:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 04:26:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 29, 2009, 09:31:18 AM
Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Say it ain't so!?!?!!?!?

Ponson - the guy Aruba coined the "Ponson rule" for................back (still) against following the rules?!?!

Gee - I sure do wonder if Joran (who was released by a judge citing the Ponson rule) doesn't ever, ever get himself into trouble for Aruba's efforts and support of him.  And I hope he can make them proud by maintaining excellent behavioral and moral standards.

Oh wait - he already screwed that up.  With a prostitution/human trafficking scheme in Thailand.  With suckering a man on the internet out of $$, and with on-line gambling.

Good job Aruba!!  Your soft "laws" and judicial decisions are sure turning out some winners from your island!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58791.php

Pitcher Sidney Ponson suspended for doping

27 Jun, 2009, 14:33 (GMT -04:00)

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Sidney Ponson

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban baseball player Sidney Ponson (32), the international baseball federation for two years suspended for doping. The pitcher for Kansas City Royals in March during the World Baseball Classic, caught on the use of the banned stimulant phentermine, an appetite inhibitor.

The Dutch team which Ponson threw then, during the world tournament was a surprisingly good impression. Shortly after he signed a Minor League contract with Kansas City Royals. He would in time also in the Major League could work.

Ponson is injured on his right elbow, an injury he suffered in May. He may, however, for the U.S. team to come out. The U.S. baseball federation follows the guidelines of the International andidopingbureau WADA condemns not a player in the case of a first offense to a fine and a medical examination.

According to the agent of the ballplayer Ponson swallowed the drug to lose weight. "The medicine was prescribed by a doctor," said the manager of Kansas City Royals, Trey Hillman to AP news agency. "He had all the party is aware that he swallowed it and it was good."

Ponson made his debut in 1998 in the U.S. Major League. He played including Texas, New York Yankees, Baltimore, San Francisco and this year for Kansas City. His best season was in 2003.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 29, 2009, 09:37:05 AM
I just shake my head at this.

Many of us were screaming CORRUPTION starting 4 years ago.  We saw it, we still see it.  That the PG would say Aruba's corruption is "not excessively high" should really grab the attention of all the people who, 4 years ago and forward from there, were arguing left and right that there was NO CORRUPTION ON ARUBA.

Those people should really stand up and take notice of what Aruba's own PG is now, FINALLY, admitting.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58790.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Aruba denies problems with police and court

27 Jun, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - "The tone is arrogant. The letter also breathes pretend as if knowledge of the facts are considered. Not at all, this is the case. "" That letter uses vague and made no factual foundation. "The two letters from the reign of the First Lady and Second Chamber demonstrated an unfortunate lack of understanding of facts."

Here are some sentences from the letters of Aruban authorities who responded to the letter from the Dutch State Secretary for Kingdom Relations, Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) on May 25 on the state of governance in Aruba in the Dutch parliament. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has personally handed over during the lightning visit of the Secretary of State last Monday to Aruba. The State could not yet respond. "Try again in a few weeks," said its spokesman.

The letters were also sent to the First and Second Chamber, the Vice-President of the Council of State and the Aruban parliament. These are six letters in June prepared by the Attorney-General (PG), the chief of police, the head of the National Investigation, Prison Service, aliens IASA organization and the Registry of the Court in First Instance.

Corruption
PG Rob Pietersz emphasized in his letter to the Netherlands he was earlier in this newspaper said: "The declarations in respect of corruption are not excessively high. That is exaggerated. Accordingly, there are many more reports in the Netherlands in corruption cases. "Most cases are prosecuted and the guilty to trial, which the PG is shown that the mechanism of prosecution work. And there is no reason to say that the prosecution is not "appropriate" function. The PG and the head of the National Criminal cases are not left as a result of understaffing. "There is in the last four years a small number of major corruption investigations to the National Recherche dedicated, additional human resources required," said the head of the rechercheteam. This was the team co-operation of other services. Early this year, two investigators
attracted.

Court
State Secretary Bijleveld, in its letter and also that of February 23 to the Lower House expressed its concerns about the functioning of justice in Aruba. This view from above in the 'difficult' Notice of Aruba to the improvement of the Common Court of Justice. And also that our country against the concept rijkswet CRWH for the new organization of the Court after the disintegration of the Netherlands Antilles.
This will include the land registries no services anymore. Aruba, who like the Court is sitting here, has now decided that the registry service remains a country. The Registry of the Court in First Instance reacts to this by stating that the CRWH an elaboration of the 2005 opinion established by the Court. Aruba is not a contribution when requested and not to the resulting plan. Furthermore, the court in recent years the organization's management to improve and optimize to. The training of staff, better staff organization, administration and ICT. The annual report of the Court of 2007, according to the court that the Aruban court is not bad. The judges appear per person double the number of cases to handle than, for example, judges in Curaçao, which also deal with the affairs of Bonaire. "If the higher appeals included is the production per court 100 percent higher than in Curaçao," said the clerk, according to whom the results thus partly thanks to the support staff. The court says that there is indeed still need improvements, but called the statement of the Secretary of State - on the difficult Aruba to improve the necessary improvements by the short turn.


Police
The Netherlands believes that the government here does little to the improvement of the Aruba Police Corps, which results from the 2006 protocol concluded between the two countries to facilitate. This is slow progress. Also because there is a large and under the Corps does not always supported by other government, which is needed for projects to be implemented. The chief does not believe that the Government or Minister of Justice does not want to invest in the Corps. He recognizes that not all red tape 'promote' is: "But many countries suffer from." Also, he declared by the staff stop by the government, not all vacancies can be filled. Chief Peter de Witte decision letter with a number of positive developments. As an increase of 40 percent of the number of minutes compared to 2006 and that crime rises less than other countries in the region.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 10:58:23 AM
Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Say it ain't so!?!?!!?!?

Ponson - the guy Aruba coined the "Ponson rule" for................back (still) against following the rules?!?!

Gee - I sure do wonder if Joran (who was released by a judge citing the Ponson rule) doesn't ever, ever get himself into trouble for Aruba's efforts and support of him.  And I hope he can make them proud by maintaining excellent behavioral and moral standards.

Oh wait - he already screwed that up.  With a prostitution/human trafficking scheme in Thailand.  With suckering a man on the internet out of $$, and with on-line gambling.

Good job Aruba!!  Your soft "laws" and judicial decisions are sure turning out some winners from your island!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58791.php

Pitcher Sidney Ponson suspended for doping

27 Jun, 2009, 14:33 (GMT -04:00)

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Sidney Ponson

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban baseball player Sidney Ponson (32), the international baseball federation for two years suspended for doping. The pitcher for Kansas City Royals in March during the World Baseball Classic, caught on the use of the banned stimulant phentermine, an appetite inhibitor.

The Dutch team which Ponson threw then, during the world tournament was a surprisingly good impression. Shortly after he signed a Minor League contract with Kansas City Royals. He would in time also in the Major League could work.

Ponson is injured on his right elbow, an injury he suffered in May. He may, however, for the U.S. team to come out. The U.S. baseball federation follows the guidelines of the International andidopingbureau WADA condemns not a player in the case of a first offense to a fine and a medical examination.

According to the agent of the ballplayer Ponson swallowed the drug to lose weight. "The medicine was prescribed by a doctor," said the manager of Kansas City Royals, Trey Hillman to AP news agency. "He had all the party is aware that he swallowed it and it was good."

Ponson made his debut in 1998 in the U.S. Major League. He played including Texas, New York Yankees, Baltimore, San Francisco and this year for Kansas City. His best season was in 2003.

I agree Jen!  Interesting that he is only suspended from International play for two years, this doesn't affect his status in MLB!  Looks like that POS gets yet another break!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3364:sidney-ponson-banned-from-intl-play-tests-positive-for-stimulant-during-09-wbc&catid=30:mlb-news&Itemid=42

Written by Devon Teeple     

Saturday, 27 June 2009 14:44 

Sidney Ponson of the Kansas City Royals tested positive for a stimulant taken during the 2009 World Baseball Classic. Ponson will now face a two-year suspension from International competition.

It has been reported that the substance that Ponson tested positive for is Phentermine, an appetite suppressant to help reduce weight in excessively overweight patients. Ponson has been known to battle weight issues on and off over the course of his major league career.

Ponson who is currently on the disabled list with a strained pitching elbow is the second Major Leaguer who has been banned by the IBAF. According to the Kansas City Royals GM Dayton Moore, this has no effect on his status with the team. "It was a diet pill under the prescription of a doctor and [Ponson] was very forthright and made the testing body aware of what he was taking," Moore said, "so we were aware of this a long time ago."

Chicago Cubs catcher Geovany Soto was the other player recently banned by the IBAF, due to a positive test for marijuana, and like Ponson, will not face suspension from Major League Baseball. Ponson who’s positive test was for Phentermine, will be treated as a first time offender under the MLB Drug Prevention and Treatment Program but will be subject to a fine and review.

Ponson’s agent commented on the situation, "During the offseason, Sidney consulted with a physician about weight loss and was prescribed a common appetite suppressant. Under the belief that this was sufficient, he did not seek further authorization, which he now understands would have been granted. Notably, Sidney voluntarily disclosed the use of the appetite suppressant at the time of testing. Nevertheless, Sidney accepts the penalty imposed even though he certainly was not seeking to enhance his performance nor does anyone involved in the matter believe so."

Ponson who was signed as a free agent by the Royals after the WBC on March 17, currently has a 1-5 record and is on a rehab assignment with the Royals Triple-A affiliate Omaha Royals.

Maury Brown contributed to this article

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Great article about "Sir Sidney"    ::MonkeyWink::

http://sportsimproper.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=701&Itemid=37

SIR SIDNEY PONSON: ROYALTY? OR A ROYAL PAIN IN A**?  Inside Sports 

Tuesday, 27 January 2009 

By Mike Marzano

Features Editor
SportsImproper.com

Sidney Ponson is a classic example of why we should all raise our children to be pitchers. Rotund and unkempt, yet rich thanks to more than $24 million in big league contracts, Ponson will apparently have a job in Major League Baseball as long as his arm doesn’t fall off.

He has a career record of 90-106 with a bloated ERA of 4.95. He’s
had only one good season -- 17-12 in 2003. He obese at 6-foot-1 and 260 pounds (allegedly), apparently enjoys knocking back a few cocktails and going for drives, and once beat up a judge. Wow, that’s the singles ad from Hell --and yet Major League clubs keep calling.

When teams need pitching – six big league teams have, not to mention the Orioles and Yankees two times each – they call Big Sid. Based on this premise, hospitals should put a baseball in a baby’s hand as soon as they come out of the womb. We have no choice but to believe this, considering that Ponson is continually ineffective and frequently on the wrong side of the law but keeps signing lucrative contracts to play the highest level of professional baseball.

Oh, and by the way, he’s royalty. That’s right, royalty, like Queen Elizabeth minus the beer gut. Following the 2003 season, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands made Ponson, who was born in Aruba (which is a territory of the Netherlands), a knight, albeit a chubby one. Officially, he is a Knight in the Order of Orange-Nassau. Here’s hoping Queen Beatrix never has to make a decision that matters.

The good news is that if you want your child to grow up to be a knight or a baseball player, you don’t have to reinforce the concepts of morals, good behavior or sensible eating. Sidney Ponson has given parents around the globe that kind of hope and flexibility.

Now 32 years old, Ponson keeps finding work, although at this writing he remains a free agent. It’s only a matter of time, though, before some baseball executive takes the wrong pill and bellows to an intern, “Get Ponson on the phone!” In 2008 Sir Sid showed flashes of relevancy by going 4-1 with a 3.88 ERA in nine starts for Texas, but the Rangers eventually released him for not playing nice. Texas general manager Jon Daniels told the Dallas Morning News that "(Ponson) had disrespectful and adverse reactions to situations that were unbecoming of a teammate."

No problem. Ponson went from the stifling heat of Texas to the warm embrace of the Bronx. The Yankees picked him up fore the second time and threw him some big bucks only to be rewarded with a 4-4, 5.85 ERA performance in 15 starts.

Mediocre pitching has been the least of the Aruba native’s troubles in recent years, however. His rap sheet has been the bigger headache.

On Christmas Day, 2004, Ponson was arrested and charged for beating up an Aruban judge after a drunken incident involving his powerboat. Reports that all that the judge wanted for Christmas was his two front teeth back went unconfirmed.

Ponson spent 11 days in jail for his judicial smackdown, although the charges were eventually dropped. He had to pay restitution, perform community service – we hear he’s good with kids as long as there’s an ice cream truck nearby – and donate to various charities in Aruba.

Just two weeks later, Ponson was arrested again, this time for drunk driving in Broward County, Florida. Later that same year, Ponson was arrested yet again, this time near downtown Baltimore, for driving while impaired. In this instance he spent five days in the Baltimore City Jail, causing the Orioles to void his contract via the morals clause.

If images of a despondent Cal Ripken rocking back and forth and muttering in a low tone, “That isn’t the Oriole way,” are dancing through your head, it’s understandable.

No, it wasn’t the Oriole Way, a concept involving hard work and blah, blah, blah that Ripken’s late father, Cal Sr., concocted back when Ford station wagons were cool.

It was the Ponson Way -- but who are we to argue with royalty?

 
Last Updated ( Friday, 30 January 2009 ) 

 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on June 29, 2009, 11:09:34 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep - he's a gem, isn't he?

And did you read between the lines about his Aruba charges being "dropped"?

All he had to do was grease the pockets of a few for that to happen - ie, "donate to charities"

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Aruba's judiciary at it's finest.

On second thought............................Joran still takes the cake as that example.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder what "charities" Paulus donated to in late summer/early fall 2005?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 11:26:00 AM
I haven't seen an update yet on the condition of this tourist that was injured Friday.  The last report was of "stable" condition.  But couldn't you also be "stable" and in a coma?  The telephone number on the boat involved is to Mermaid Sport Divers. (I didn't post the picture that shows the complete phone number but you can see it at the Awe24 link if interested.)

http://www.scubadivers-aruba.com/

6/27/2009 Bondia Front Page

http://bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1142&offId=10&offDate=2009-06

Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 26/06/2009 | horario: 14:59

tourist is cay for of boat cu owing to bay for dive then the wiek owing to strike the at his cabes cu urgencia owing to hibe hospital diabierna morning owing to enter informe of one caso at barcadera where cu boat cu owing to bay take away turistanan for dive owing to happen on one tourist cu owing to cay for of the boat, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance for her sitio. at arrival of the patrol they owing to encontra cu one boat cu owing to end of bring one victima of one accidente in lama, is deal here of one tourist cu will owing to cay for of boat y after of esey the wiek of the boat will owing to strike his cabes. mirando the gravedad owing to ask presencia of ambulance cu urgencia, at arrival of the ambulance at once they owing to tume over for of the boat y owing to pase in ambulance for so owing to hibe hospital. according one ultimo informe his condicion is stabiel. autoridad have the caso here bao investigacion.

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Edit to correct day of accident per texasmom.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 11:28:51 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep - he's a gem, isn't he?

And did you read between the lines about his Aruba charges being "dropped"?

All he had to do was grease the pockets of a few for that to happen - ie, "donate to charities"

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Aruba's judiciary at it's finest.

On second thought............................Joran still takes the cake as that example.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder what "charities" Paulus donated to in late summer/early fall 2005?

So true Jen!  Sad but true!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: GabbyG on June 29, 2009, 12:54:43 PM
Reading from #750 to the current thread will put many things in perspective.Hope you haven't had to take any aspirin GabbyG.. ::MonkeyCool::
Hey KTF, hi there! Haha...to be honest, I have had to take something a little stronger than aspirin a time or two lolol
Some things I read I had forgotten about, some things brought back the frustration all over again...I may catch some flack for this from some, but at this point in time Kermit is definitely my hero! I decided to re-read the threads because I had gotten very involved in Caylee's thread and had fallen behind in Natalee's thread, only reading every few days or so, and I missed the reasons for all the uproar in the cage back then, still seeing occasional comments regarding certain people in the then current threads. Anyway, Im glad I am doing this, and cant wait until I manage to get caught up! I'm definitely keeping the aspirin close KTF, and a few other things aren't far away either   LOL
Thanks for your comment!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 12:59:35 PM
ARUBAN CHIEF OF POLICE - GEROLD DOMPIG

Gerold Dompig’s official position within the Natalee Holloway investigation dictates that inside information was at the foundation of his words regarding his suspicion encompassing the involvement of Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

Janet
_________

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

GEROLD DOMPIG: I still believe that these boys have been lying, they're still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

RITA COSBY: Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?

GEROLD DOMPIG: Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

GEROLD DOMPIG: Joran went back and forth with his statements, and he withdrew two statements which he had already given to us. So basically, none of his statements were really trustworthy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9727957/


'Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: Well, it would take me, I think, a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. None of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188


'The Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators. So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


'The Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


Vanity Fair

GEROLD DOMPIG:  The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=all


48 Hours Mystery

Dompig says he believes Paulus van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page3.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: GabbyG on June 29, 2009, 01:03:49 PM


<snipped?

Also, I am not in the current Natalee thread often because I made a project out of going back and re-reading the Natalee threads starting with thread # 750! It has been a very interesting read to say the least, although very time consuming. I am on thread # 795 now, a long way to go but I couldn't stop now even if I wanted to! Puts a lot of things in a clearer and fresher perspective.

Hugs to all Monkeys, and thank you for your determination! This case screams for us to never give up!


Gabby

At this rate you are going to need a stronger pair of specs by the time you catch up.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Hugs to you too and ... thank you for stopping by.

Janet

Hi Janet! I am smiling here because you are exactly right, for some reason my eyes are rebelling  LOL
From re-reading all those threads I feel like I know you, and I look forward to your posts. Thank you so much for all you contribute!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 01:05:38 PM
ARUBAN CHIEF OF POLICE - GEROLD DOMPIG

When the position of Gerold Dompig within the Aruban investigation is considered … the tip to Tim Miller and Dave Holloway regarding the location of the trap containing Natalee Holloways remains must have been derived from a foundation of knowledge.  After all ... the location was right on.

The "powers that be" within the Aruban investigation knew the truth from the getgo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman
:  The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.


Crime and Investigation - What Happened to Natalee Holloway – March, 2009

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


Fox Online Show - Jamie Colby - July 15, 2007
 
JAMIE COLBY:  Tim, let me ask you about this search. You want to go back, you want to search and focus underwater

TIM MILLER:That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.  Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep  and we always thought about the water anyhow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 01:06:10 PM
Reading from #750 to the current thread will put many things in perspective.Hope you haven't had to take any aspirin GabbyG.. ::MonkeyCool::
Hey KTF, hi there! Haha...to be honest, I have had to take something a little stronger than aspirin a time or two lolol
Some things I read I had forgotten about, some things brought back the frustration all over again...I may catch some flack for this from some, but at this point in time Kermit is definitely my hero! I decided to re-read the threads because I had gotten very involved in Caylee's thread and had fallen behind in Natalee's thread, only reading every few days or so, and I missed the reasons for all the uproar in the cage back then, still seeing occasional comments regarding certain people in the then current threads. Anyway, Im glad I am doing this, and cant wait until I manage to get caught up! I'm definitely keeping the aspirin close KTF, and a few other things aren't far away either   LOL
Thanks for your comment!!

Hang in there GabbyG!  You can do it!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hope you don't have a history of high blood pressure!   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 01:07:52 PM


<snipped?

Also, I am not in the current Natalee thread often because I made a project out of going back and re-reading the Natalee threads starting with thread # 750! It has been a very interesting read to say the least, although very time consuming. I am on thread # 795 now, a long way to go but I couldn't stop now even if I wanted to! Puts a lot of things in a clearer and fresher perspective.

Hugs to all Monkeys, and thank you for your determination! This case screams for us to never give up!


Gabby

At this rate you are going to need a stronger pair of specs by the time you catch up.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Hugs to you too and ... thank you for stopping by.

Janet

Hi Janet! I am smiling here because you are exactly right, for some reason my eyes are rebelling  LOL
From re-reading all those threads I feel like I know you, and I look forward to your posts. Thank you so much for all you contribute!

Gabby ... you made my day!!  Thank you.

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet
10:10 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: GabbyG on June 29, 2009, 01:20:32 PM
In Texas, the "Castle Law" is in effect. If someone is "breaking and entering" you can blow them away with no "questions asked". Our cime rate is down considerably!  ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way it should be!There is absolutely NO reason to be on another person's property.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly!  Texas got that right!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now,only if Washington could follow that lead!Our state is azz backwards.There is a gray area in our state.You can't shoot someone unless they are posing great bodily harm.If they come into your living room and are stealing stuff you theoretically just can't go out there and shoot them...They've got to be posing a threat..I've seen people go to trial because they shot a burglar in the back??? ::MonkeyConfused:: Go figure...

When I was at home and my dad would have to go out of town for a few days, he would tell me if anybody was prowling around the house go ahead and shoot em and drag em inside and swear they were trying to attack me!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi texasmom and Monkeys!! I dont post often but have read every day since the first week Natalee went missing. I found texasmom's and Wreck's posts interesting because I also live in Texas (about an hour from Dallas) and had an interesting and informative conversation with a neighbor quite a few years back who was a police officer. My ex worked second shift and kept a 22 pistol in our bedroom should we have an intruder. The policer officer told my ex to get me a larger caliber pistol, and then told me that if I had to shoot someone to make sure they were dead as the intruder (back then) could file charges on me for attempted murder while I could only file charges for B&E! An interesting side note, my ex and I belonged to a gun club and were competitive shooters in Texas and Oklahoma, so like texasmom, I am no stranger to guns and would not be afraid to use one, and with my shooting experience I would most likely hit what I was aiming at, especially an intruder at close range.
Anyway, I found these posts interesting and wanted to comment. Wreck, Im glad to know the law has changed, the police officer back then had advised me to shoot an intruder even if outside and then drag him inside and claim bodily threat towards me. I live alone since my divorce quite a long time ago but my children don't worry about me because they know my ability with a gun, and they know my thoughts on shooting an intruder. The officer told me that day that if someone is trying to come in who was not invited, obviously he is not there for any good reason. Also, when learning to shoot MANY moons ago I was taught that whenever I picked up a gun I should do so with the intent to use it...which the police officer also told me that day we had the conversation.
Sorry for the O/T but these posts were interesting and I just wanted to comment.

Also, I am not in the current Natalee thread often because I made a project out of going back and re-reading the Natalee threads starting with thread # 750! It has been a very interesting read to say the least, although very time consuming. I am on thread # 795 now, a long way to go but I couldn't stop now even if I wanted to! Puts a lot of things in a clearer and fresher perspective.
Hugs to all Monkeys, and thank you for your determination! This case screams for us to never give up!

Hi GabbyG!  Good to see you!

I agree with your neighbor, a 22 leaves too much to chance. 
My 9mm and I are thisclose!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

A few things you may need while you're reading:

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 ::MonkeyDevil::

Stop in and let us know how it's going when you have a chance, or need a break!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Haha..Hi texasmom, and Thanks!! I have had occasion to want and need all of the items you have shared, in any and all combinations  lol
The only thing I would add to them is the valium kitty  LOL
I spend a LOT of my time just sitting here and shaking my head (while cursing loudly and mentally putting quarters in the swear box..hahaha). My pets think I have completely lost it I think.
Thanks for your comment, and for sharing the necessary supplies for such a project. I will be sure to stop by regularly so I can keep up with current happenings. But..I do have to say that re-reading really IS an eye opener, and when I get caught up with Natalee's threads I think I will go re-read in Caylee's threads, and then in Haylee's.
Have a great day, from one Texan to another!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 01:33:41 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

GabbyG,
I actually had a valium picture too, but didn't add it so I wouldn't have to add all the warnings about not taking it with the whiskey!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

But since you mentioned it....here ya go!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.rehab-international.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/valium.jpg)

I think we might actually be in for some rain, hope there's not a lot of lightning with it!   ::MonkeyEek::
Maybe it'll cool things off some! 

Have a great day GabbyG!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: GabbyG on June 29, 2009, 01:45:08 PM
Thanks also to Wreck, Blue Moon, and Hotping for your comments! Thank you all for the thoughts and the smiles, and I will keep you posted regarding my progress. It's a rather large venture but hey...it has been very productive for me, and has definitely helped me keep the "fire lit".
Huggggs Monkeys! I pray daily for justice for Natalee and peace for her families!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 02:00:22 PM

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::

bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... who does one have to be ... to be afforded the honor of being one of the "informed"?

Janet



bastibro

Who "informed" SS and caused her to backtrack and ... once again climb upon the John Silvetti and CAPS bandwagon?

Janet

++++++++++

DECEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents  could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability

Kyle Kingman:   Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 02:01:11 PM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?



Kermit

What is the holdup?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 02:58:27 PM
MuffyBee,

Thank you for fixing my post!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 04:09:48 PM
According to Dave Holloway in his book Corruption in Paradise ... in October, 2005 ... he was the one who received the tip regarding Natalee being taken out two to three miles out to sea ... forwarded it to Gerold Dompig and ... Gerold Dompig concurred.

The interesting part of this book segment is that a pursuing search occured ... a search which Tim Miller and Dave Holloway collaborated a plan ... a plan that they would withhold a portion of any evidence recovered and ... have it tested themselves.

Again I ask ... considering Tim Miller and Dave Holloway in October, 2005 did not trust the "powers that be" in the Aruban investigation to be good stewards of any evidence that could be deemed case related ... considering others were prayfully and financially supporting the Persistence search effort ... consider closure for the family was the objective ... why were safeguards not put into place in the planning stages of the Persistence endeavor ... safeguards that would insure that there would be an FBI presence on board the Persistence to observed a recovery process?

Janet

++++++


CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - DAVE HOLLOWAY

Page 167/168:
  We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalee and that they either left her at the boat launch or the lighthouse.  From there, they supposedly went to a field area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move.  According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fishermen's huts to get a steel cage to put Natalee into; they then used a boat to carry her about two to three miles out into the ocean and drop her there.  The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.  He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill ...

Starting from the area in fron of the hotel, we planned to search up to five miles out into the ocean ...

Tim and I made an agreement that if anything were found, I would retain some of the evidence and have it tested for DNA myself.


JANUARY 7, 2008 - RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:   I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


NATALEE'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 04:15:00 PM
NATALEE'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 04:23:45 PM
I give Kyle Kingman credit.  Too little to late but ... he tried.  Kyle received a crash course pertaining to the dynamics of the Aruban coverup from Monkeys after the search effort in Aruban waters began.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.  That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 04:29:34 PM
Kyle tried.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive.  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 04:49:38 PM
I am not giving Kyle Kingman a free pass in regards to the motivations behind some of his choices throughout the search effort and following the Persistence leaving Aruban waters ... not by a long shot.

However ... I am just acknowledging that Kyle Kingman was the ONLY one who attempted to maintain some control over the recovery process to insure that the enemy  were not being afforded the opportunity to further the Aruban coverup ... further the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2009, 05:07:54 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


++++++++


Doing right is not always easy but ... it is always right.

Lifesong said it best ...

++++++++

Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
« Reply #360 on: March 14, 2009, 06:52:02 PM »


No, Kyle.  No.  You were not FORCED to sit back and hope for the best.  YOU CHOSE to sit back and hope for the best.  There are a number of things YOU could have done.  YOU could have contacted the FBI.  YOU could have contacted Tim Miller.  YOU could have contacted the family.   

INSTEAD you chose, that's right Kyle, YOU CHOSE to participate in the attempted PIMPING of the only evidence not absconded with by the Arubans, the ROV videos.

You, KYLE KINGMAN, need to stop acting like you were one of the good guys.  YOU CHOSE at the time to do exactly what ALE did, and that is WITHHOLD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.

And if you think talking to the Freebirds redeemed you, you're wrong.  Because when it came time to sh*t or get off the pot - you LIED, MADE THREATS OVER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and finally, RAN AWAY.  You CHOSE, Kyle Kingman, to do everything in your power to PROTECT THE PIMPING OF THE ROV VIDEOS.

Shame right on you.

JMO and only MO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4675.msg720012;topicseen#msg720012


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 08:20:19 PM
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Antonio A.D.A. Carlo, born in Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles (1957), graduated from the Catholic University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1990). Before going into private practice in 1995 Mr. Carlo worked as general counsel of a local bank in Aruba and as a government attorney at Aruba government’s Legal Department. He was admitted to the Bar of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in 1995. His practice focuses mainly on corporate law, banking law, labor law, intellectual property law, real estate law, transactions and contract law.

Languages: Dutch, English, Spanish and Papiamento.

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Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot, born in the Netherlands (1952), graduated from the University of Tilburg, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1979). Before going into private practice Mr. van der Sloot worked ten years in social legal aid in the Netherlands, four years in the Aruban Government, eight years in the public prosecution and three years as a judge. He was admitted to the bar in 2006. His practice focuses mainly on administrative law and mediation.

Languages: Dutch, English, German, French and Papiamento.

Contact Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot

Vito A.V. Carlo, born in Aruba, Netherlands Antilles (1979), graduated from the University of Aruba (LL.M., 2007). Before going into private practice in 2007, Mr. Carlo worked as a physical education teacher (B Ed., 2001) for four years. He was admitted to the Bar of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in 2007. His practice focuses mainly on labor law, contract law, corporate law, administrative law, litigation and criminal law.

Languages: Dutch, English, Spanish and Papiamento.

Contact Vito A.V. Carlo


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 10:07:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58837.php

Google translation:

"Aruba and Curaçao agree on court '

29 Jun, 2009, 14:04 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Ministers of Justice of Aruba and Curacao have each other just before the weekend found on the future organization of the Common Court of Justice. The two ministers have Rudy Croes (MEP) of Aruba and David Dick (PAR) asked. The court continues to Curaçao.

The proposal, already previously Aruba on the table, this week in the Government Ministers are inserted. This happens during a meeting of the Council to a decision on the new organization of the court after the disintegration of the Netherlands Antilles. The Aruban-Curaçao proposal of a court for the Caribbean part of the Kingdom, as now, the proposal consensus rijkswet Court is scheduled.

Aruba voted last year against this proposal. The difference is that each country (Aruba, Curacao, St. Maarten and the BES-islands) a Vice-President is appointed. The president - if the court - is officially on Curaçao, but is regularly changed. They said the two leaders, to a structure in which the autonomy of the countries is maintained. The registries of the countries are then placed in an organization, but the Registrar of each country continues to retain its full authority and is the Vice President of Service.

Or the Netherlands can support this new proposal is not known. Antillean Minister Dick says there is no plan B if the Netherlands is not in the proposal are. He is in any case, glad that Aruba and Curacao on a line. The dramatic that the Minister of Curaçao was accused, together with the Netherlands Aruba something to explain what the future of the court.

This is why the two ministers are still in place.

Minister Rudy Croes, Monday at the last minute decided not to participate in the judicial consultation between the three countries in the Kingdom, showed that day is an informal meeting with Minister Dick in Curaçao to have had. Last Friday, Dick came to Aruba to further discuss the proposal with which both came out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 10:14:40 PM
Aruba
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58835.php

Google translation:

Declaration against agent for severe child abuse

29 Jun, 2009, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A policeman was officially reported for the heavy beating of a 14-year-old boy. In a short message to the press reports Police Dolfi Richardson, that the case "immediately after the message 'treatment was taken by both the police and the public prosecutor (OM). "The DA is a prosecutor from the body such cases attention. They may choose to Internal Affairs Bureau investigation done, or can pass them on to the National Research. "

The Commissioner also reported that the agent is also a complaint. "The Police Corps has launched an investigation, on an objective way to find out what happened so what steps can be taken against those responsible," said Richardson.

Last Tuesday, a group of boys, including the victim, at the height of the field of British Tania have a stone thrown into the car of the agent in public. The group would have run away but the victim was sitting, which the agent would have lifting and mistreated. Meanwhile, another boy from the group of stone throwing have known. Also, the agent service arms have been delivered and, pending the investigation, for only office services may run.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 10:20:06 PM
Aruba
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58833.php

Landslab-fraudster deceased

29 Jun, 2009, 13:53 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The one million fraud convicted Maiky Farro is last Saturday in the Horacio Oduber Hospital deceased. In April he was still four years and six months condemned cell for its share of the fraud at the Land Laboratory. It was in the period 1997-2007 more than 10 million florin darkened.

Early Friday morning was Farro urgently from prison KIA to the urgent help of the hospital. He was, but his condition continued to deteriorate. Eventually he died Saturday. Survivors ochtendblad Diário according to a study of medical treatment in prison was Farro. Farro was allegedly for several days without success to have sought medical assistance. Farro suffered from heart ailments and had to swallow medicines. KIA director Emilio Geerman was unavailable for comment this morning.

The former administrator of the Agricultural Laboratory would again appear before the court. The Public Prosecutor (OM) was not satisfied with the court-imposed penalty of 4.5 years and was appealed. The officer had required eight years for a million fraud.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 10:22:52 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58831.php

Google Translation:

Aruba

Additional flight Venezuela

29 Jun, 2009, 13:51 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban airline Tiara Air flies from July 3 again with three daily flights to Punto Fijo in Venezuela. After the Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez earlier this year permits for charter flights from the Antilles and Aruba withdrew, Tiara Air was slowly allowed to fly to. First with a flight, then half and now with a third day. Although the airline like more flights to Venezuela exports is unknown whether this will be authorized. "There is at least enough enthusiasm for," said a spokesman. The reason for the earlier prohibition of Chávez was never published. Presumably he wanted to prevent Venezuelans came to the islands to their currencies in dollars to convert. Swap in Venezuela is punishable. This has led to the emergence of a black market that usurious prices.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 10:29:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58832.php

Google translation:

Parties present new candidates

29 Jun, 2009, 13:51 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/29-aruba-avp-marcelino-vrol.gif)
 
Marcelino Vrolijk together, including party leader Mike Eman and Silvia Gildhorn of HAC after his candidacy for AVP announced.
 
ORANGE CITY - Political Party MEP and AVP last weekend have presented new candidates for the forthcoming parliamentary elections. During the official opening of the campaign house of the list Nelson Oduber (MEP) was the candidacy of Julian Chance announced. Chance is the candidate of MEP for the district of San Nicolas. Piquant detail is that he is the son of former PPA leader Leo Chance, once staunch opponent of the Status of Independent Aruba.
New on the list of ASF is Marcelino Vrolijk. His candidacy was announced last Saturday in the party house of AVP in Pos Chiquito. Merry says, after thirty years to campaign for MEP and after "a difficult decision, to be switched to green because of the BBO. "Any time you go to the bathroom is, does the dishes, wash your car, car part, buy this or do that, is there on BBO. When you start your car, the BBO-run counter. BBO so the biggest problem we have here and Mike (Eman, ed) me that they will abolish the BBO, "said Marc Merry Lino during his speech as a new candidate for ASF Pos Chiquito. Meanwhile, talks about the upcoming candidacy Marielis Tejada for RED. Tejada is of Colombian origin and teaches at the school.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 10:37:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58830.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Series robbers in court

29 Jun, 2009, 13:50 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A group of four young people was last Wednesday in court to answer for a series of armed robberies in November and December last year. The Public Prosecutor (OM) demanded sentences of three years and six months up to eight years in prison.

Two young N. Jansen and O. Mauricio suspected of armed robbery at Valero Esso Ville on November 6. Here, the perpetrators a gun to the head of one of the staff and went away with money and cigarettes. The following robbery on December 11 was carried out by the two again, this time with the help of K. Augusta, said the prosecutor. The robbery was committed at a supermarket in Seroe Biento and here were the perpetrators by money and smoke where. Female suspect N. Caro was only involved in the robbery on December 16. The four then robbed jewelry case Lucor. The perpetrators threatened with firearms and all participants went by with a large amount of jewelry.

Because Caro only suspected of involvement in one of the attacks, called for the minimum punishment for her, three years and six months unconditional. Augusta is suspected of involvement in two of the three robberies and heard a sentence of five years against themselves requirements. The other two suspects were involved in the for the whole series of robberies. They were also the highest penalty, eight years in prison, against themselves demanded.

The judge is ruling on July 3.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 10:52:08 PM
http://tinyurl.com/msx29p

(http://www.vermist.nl/typo3temp/pics/3906b97174.jpg)

Recent photograph of the 24-year Kamelya Mirza Bagher Naderi

Kamelya Mirza BAGHER NADERI (female)

Place and date of birth: Iran, 1984

Away since: Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Last residence: Aruba, Netherlands Antilles

Appearance:  Long blond curly hair, brown eyes, dark complexion, slim stature 1.60 m, of butterfly tattoo on the belly and navel piercing. Kamelya wears a gold chain with her name.

Wanted by: Third parties

Additional info:
Since Tuesday, May 12, 2009, the 24-year Kemelya Mirza Bagher Naderi missing. She stayed with a friend on Aruba but left after a quarrel.  On May 12 she had contact with her brother in the Netherlands and later there is a telephone contact with a friend on Texel.  She gave in to friends to stay in Aruba.

Missing Poster:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/MissingPosterKamelyaMirzaBagherNade.jpg)


I think this says she's safe!

Not sure, but I think she decided to extend her stay?

Hopefully we'll find something we can understand better!   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10036/8/

lady irani cu supuestamente was perdi at aruba owing to present at police

monday, 29 june 2009 - 18:12

is so cu monday the child muher cu supuestamente was perdi at aruba (kamela mirza bagher naderi) owing to present at keep of police of oranjestad.e was extremely angry already cu according the all cos was one malentendido enough fastioso p’e, already cu none instant the was perdi or scondi. according the these was have contacto cu his mother via telephone y thing owing to sosode is cu his brother man, cu cual the not have good contacto, will owing to bay at keep of police at the netherlands y entrega the complaint of person perdi.el owing to splika cu past owing to come of vakantie three week happen y owing to dicidi of stay one pair of week more close some conocirnan of dje. here more or less 2 week the will go back bek the netherlands close his family. click read more. past owing to ask for police at aruba clarifica the asunto here publicamente for so alivia the inconveniencia cause for her noticianan cu is contene his name. of part cuerpo policial owing to splike cu is one peticion oficial owing to enter via interpol y mirando we bad experiencia cu person perdi in pasado come across, y also the mature cu we not can owing to localize, owing to disidi of notifica prensa y publico at once for succeed localiz’e will more rapido possible. ela owing to show comprension if for her situation. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
This is a little better translation:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10036/8/

Google Translation:

Iranian lady was supposedly lost at cu aruba owing to present at police

monday, 29 june 2009 - 18:12

is so cu monday muher cu the child was allegedly lost at aruba (Kamela Bagher Mirza Naderi) owing to present at keep of police of oranjestad.e already was extremely angry cu according the all cos one was enough misunderstanding fastioso p'e, already cu none was lost or the instant scondi. according these was the cu have contacted his mother via telephone and sosode thing is cu owing to his brother man, which the cu not have good contact, owing to will keep at bay the netherlands of police at the complaint and delivery of person perdi.el owing to splika cu past owing to come vakantie of three weeks owing to happen and dicidi pair of stay one more week of close conocirnan some of dje. here more or less the 2 weeks will go back bek the netherlands his close family. click read more. past owing to ask for police at aruba publicly clarify the matter here for the inconvenience caused so relieved for her cu noticianan container is his name. part of police owing to splike cu is one formal request to enter via owing interpol bad experience and we look cu man lost in past come across, and also the mature cu owing to we can not locate, owing to disidi of notifying the press and public at once for localiz'e will succeed more quickly possible. ela if owing to show understanding for her situation. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 11:08:06 PM
I haven't seen an update yet on the condition of this tourist that was injured Friday.  The last report was of "stable" condition.  But couldn't you also be "stable" and in a coma?  The telephone number on the boat involved is to Mermaid Sport Divers. (I didn't post the picture that shows the complete phone number but you can see it at the Awe24 link if interested.)

http://www.scubadivers-aruba.com/

6/27/2009 Bondia Front Page

http://bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1142&offId=10&offDate=2009-06

Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 26/06/2009 | horario: 14:59

tourist is cay for of boat cu owing to bay for dive then the wiek owing to strike the at his cabes cu urgencia owing to hibe hospital diabierna morning owing to enter informe of one caso at barcadera where cu boat cu owing to bay take away turistanan for dive owing to happen on one tourist cu owing to cay for of the boat, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance for her sitio. at arrival of the patrol they owing to encontra cu one boat cu owing to end of bring one victima of one accidente in lama, is deal here of one tourist cu will owing to cay for of boat y after of esey the wiek of the boat will owing to strike his cabes. mirando the gravedad owing to ask presencia of ambulance cu urgencia, at arrival of the ambulance at once they owing to tume over for of the boat y owing to pase in ambulance for so owing to hibe hospital. according one ultimo informe his condicion is stabiel. autoridad have the caso here bao investigacion.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06262009Awe24_TouristAccident_Merma.jpg)

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Edit to correct day of accident per texasmom.  MB

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58829.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Tourist seriously injured

29 Jun, 2009, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A tourist has her head injury last Friday during a diving course. The woman knocked her head against the propeller of the boat while the engine is running. She was a deep cut and injuries to her nose. Also, the air hose cut by the tourist lot of water got inside. The woman was saved by the diving which reanimeerde. She was then urgently transferred to hospital where she is currently in critical but stable condition in the intensive care unit is located.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 11:14:08 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

I hope to goodness that is just a bad translation of that article and they REALLY didn't intend to make it sound that way!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

SHE knocked her head on the propeller of the boat while it was running!
SHE cut her oxygen line and let a lot of water get in it!

The dive team revived her.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 29, 2009, 11:27:16 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

I hope to goodness that is just a bad translation of that article and they REALLY didn't intend to make it sound that way!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

SHE knocked her head on the propeller of the boat while it was running!
SHE cut her oxygen line and let a lot of water get in it!

The dive team revived her.







I'd like to know the diving course company.....how the h*ll can you teach diving and have a student hit the freakin' propeller?   That doesn't sit well with me.  Just sayin'     ::MonkeyNoNo::

Goodnight, all.  See you later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 11:33:29 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

I hope to goodness that is just a bad translation of that article and they REALLY didn't intend to make it sound that way!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

SHE knocked her head on the propeller of the boat while it was running!
SHE cut her oxygen line and let a lot of water get in it!

The dive team revived her.




I'd like to know the diving course company.....how the h*ll can you teach diving and have a student hit the freakin' propeller?   That doesn't sit well with me.  Just sayin'     ::MonkeyNoNo::

Goodnight, all.  See you later.

Mermaid Sport Divers is who the boat belongs to, from the phone number painted on it.

None of the reports of the accident named the company.  Figures!

I've read some "not too good" things about that company before.

I'm not a diver, but it seems like they SHOULD know where their divers are before they start up the engine!

It's not sitting well with me either!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

No woman is going to get anywhere near a moving propeller with her FACE if there's any way to keep from it!  OMG!

JMO

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 29, 2009, 11:36:12 PM
Edit to add...

(No woman) Or man either!   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 12:04:27 AM
A REMINDER

AN ARUBAN COVERUP?  YOU BE THE JUDGE!

Steve Cohen ... a spokesperson for the investigation who has a "full knowledge of the case" ... states that two of the suspects claimed they had sex with Natalee Holloway.

Steve did later clarify that the claim of the two suspects were not part of the "official record."

Inquiring minds want to know why this claim was not part of the "official record".

+++++++

ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

.
CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- Serious sunshiny days and sun-kissed smiles are about to greet the Caribbean island of Aruba sometime soon. Tourism has been shattered by the case of a single incident of an Alabama girl missing since spring break of last year. Closure on the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance seems imminent. The timeline drawn is about six to seven months from yesterday's announcement.

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 12:11:12 AM
Good Night Monkeys.

I hope there was a some relief for those who are experiences the long dry heat spell.  An air-condition mall is an option.  However ... an air-condition home is also good for the Natalee Holloway addict when you consider access to a computer.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
9:10 PM PT

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 12:25:06 AM
Good Night Monkeys.

I hope there was a some relief for those who are experiences the long dry heat spell.  An air-condition mall is an option.  However ... an air-condition home is also good for the Natalee Holloway addict when you consider access to a computer.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
9:10 PM PT

 

Good night Janet.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 12:57:48 AM
billb, where are you?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p7782.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 30, 2009, 01:03:53 AM
billb, where are you?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p7782.gif)

Billb tends to get a lil' squirrely when he get's on tha river TM.Myself and Wreck may just have to grab our canoe and go find his azzz before those darn hillbillies get him squealin like a pig...... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:17:30 AM
billb, where are you?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p7782.gif)

Billb tends to get a lil' squirrely when he get's on tha river TM.Myself and Wreck may just have to grab our canoe and go find his azzz before those darn hillbillies get him squealin like a pig...... ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDance:: Hi KTF!  I was beginning to think the "night crew" had abandoned me! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:24:20 AM

I'm gonna be mad if the stackaholics had a Fourth of July Convention, and I wasn't invited!

After all I THINK I've proven myself worthy!   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 30, 2009, 01:25:32 AM
billb, where are you?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p7782.gif)

Billb tends to get a lil' squirrely when he get's on tha river TM.Myself and Wreck may just have to grab our canoe and go find his azzz before those darn hillbillies get him squealin like a pig...... ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDance:: Hi KTF!  I was beginning to think the "night crew" had abandoned me! 

bILLb is still tryin to recuperate from drinkin to much champagne after the NBA finals...I think Kobe & billb are layin on one of the beaches south of L.A..More then likely it is either Newport,and or Laguna Beach down by Dana point... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:28:12 AM
billb, where are you?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p7782.gif)

Billb tends to get a lil' squirrely when he get's on tha river TM.Myself and Wreck may just have to grab our canoe and go find his azzz before those darn hillbillies get him squealin like a pig...... ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDance:: Hi KTF!  I was beginning to think the "night crew" had abandoned me! 

bILLb is still tryin to recuperate from drinkin to much champagne after the NBA finals...I think Kobe & billb are layin on one of the beaches south of L.A..More then likely it is either Newport,and or Laguna Beach down by Dana point... ::MonkeyDance::

billb needs to stick with us!  Kobe is a bad influence and will get him in T R O U B L E !   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on June 30, 2009, 01:31:34 AM
Hello TM and KTF - thank you for always being here for Natalee and her family....and thank you TM for the pictures every day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:33:10 AM

Sorry we're O/T Kiwi and Sleuth!  Good to see you!   ::MonkeyDance::

2NJ probably just sat straight up out of a sound sleep, and it's all my fault!

Sorry 2NJ...back on topic right now!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:34:41 AM
Hello TM and KTF - thank you for always being here for Natalee and her family....and thank you TM for the pictures every day.

Hi Sleuth!  That is so nice....thank YOU!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kiwi on June 30, 2009, 01:36:39 AM
TM how are you doing? Wrote you a note in Sports. Great job keeping things moving here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 30, 2009, 01:37:01 AM
billb, where are you?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p7782.gif)

Billb tends to get a lil' squirrely when he get's on tha river TM.Myself and Wreck may just have to grab our canoe and go find his azzz before those darn hillbillies get him squealin like a pig...... ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDance:: Hi KTF!  I was beginning to think the "night crew" had abandoned me! 

bILLb is still tryin to recuperate from drinkin to much champagne after the NBA finals...I think Kobe & billb are layin on one of the beaches south of L.A..More then likely it is either Newport,and or Laguna Beach down by Dana point... ::MonkeyDance::

billb needs to stick with us!  Kobe is a bad influence and will get him in T R O U B L E !   ::MonkeyDevil::
OK...OK...Kobe and I had a celibration tgether..separate cities, separate days.....but hey...it was together ::MonkeyCool::
He just didnt know it ::MonkeyLaugh::
Anyway...I miss the night crew 2......
And Ktf...I'm making the sauage..not the other way around....
You all should get more sleep!.... ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on June 30, 2009, 01:38:37 AM
I did a little quiz for Klaas in musings (they joked that I was O/T) - Klaas had practically a perfect score, of course.  I'll leave the questions here for you to try, or the morning monkeys might give it a go (don't peak at answers in musings).

Question #1.    
Describe three separate picture or incidents - one each where Paulus, Anita and Joran were less than acceptably clothed.

Question #2.    
Who is "Rubberlegs"?.

Question #3.   
Who said (paraphrased) "You don't understand our system"?.

Question #4.    
The Barf Doll originated with _______________

Question #5.    
What is "Sweaty Running Man" in reference to?

Question #6.    
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"?

Question #7.   
A merry-go-round picture picture goes with the Phrase "Where in the world is ____________"

Question #8.    
WIkipedia might refer to this as a snake, a witch, a screen name with multiple posters, or an Aruban Newspaper.  What is it?   

Question #9.    
Name three girlfriends of Jorans.

Question #10   
Last question...  name three lies that Joran told.  (This has got to be easy - there are hundreds to choose from)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 30, 2009, 01:40:40 AM
sorry for the drive by..gotta get my youngest to college orientation in the morning....
(Don't want her around in the fall...jk...maybe....teenagers you know ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on June 30, 2009, 01:42:15 AM
Good night all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:42:35 AM
TM how are you doing? Wrote you a note in Sports. Great job keeping things moving here.

Hi Kiwi!  Absolutely awesome 4th of July outfit!   ::MonkeyDance::

I'm great!  Thanks for asking and for the note, I'll check it out.

I really appreciate the compliment, hoping and praying every day is one day closer to Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on June 30, 2009, 01:42:45 AM
good night good Monkeys....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kiwi on June 30, 2009, 01:44:42 AM
Good nite all and keep those pups safe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 30, 2009, 01:45:37 AM
good night good Monkeys....

Thanx for stoppin through BillB..I told everybody that you have Rambo skills & no hillbilly would capture you alive... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 30, 2009, 01:46:32 AM
Good nite all and keep those pups safe.

GoodNight Kiwi..I will attempt to get into the sports thread more often!It's a nice change of pace from time to time!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:47:15 AM
sorry for the drive by..gotta get my youngest to college orientation in the morning....
(Don't want her around in the fall...jk...maybe....teenagers you know ::MonkeyConfused::

BILLB!!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

I KNEW you wouldn't be hanging with that BAD BOY KOBE!!!!!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Not together anyway!

No problem with the drive by....just really good to see you!

Give all the boys the evil eye tomorrow!   ::MonkeyWink::

Good night billb!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 30, 2009, 01:47:57 AM
Hello TM and KTF - thank you for always being here for Natalee and her family....and thank you TM for the pictures every day.

OMG..That quiz is hilarious.As i'm quite unorganized i would flunk it! ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:50:03 AM

Good night Sleuth! (I'm going to see how much I know of the quiz off the top of my head in a sec, lol)

Good night Kiwi!

 ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 30, 2009, 01:52:20 AM
I do believe there is always progress.It may not always be observable but,progress is being made!As we continue to weed out those distractions from the peanut gallery,we as monkey's,become more focused! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 30, 2009, 01:57:02 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF


 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 02:05:39 AM
I did a little quiz for Klaas in musings (they joked that I was O/T) - Klaas had practically a perfect score, of course.  I'll leave the questions here for you to try, or the morning monkeys might give it a go (don't peak at answers in musings).

Question #1.    
Describe three separate picture or incidents - one each where Paulus, Anita and Joran were less than acceptably clothed.

Anita brown see through blouse, Paulus with his fly open Khaki shorts, Joran naked on the beach.

Question #2.    
Who is "Rubberlegs"?.  Drawing a blank on that one! Cohen?    ::MonkeyWaa::

Question #3.   
Who said (paraphrased) "You don't understand our system"?.  Guido's cousin...I'll come back to this..Got it Arlene Schipper

Question #4.    
The Barf Doll originated with _______________ I don't think it's Lala's, but I can't decide WHO it was!  I can see the avi I think!    ::MonkeyWaa::

Question #5.    
What is "Sweaty Running Man" in reference to?  Paulus running from reporters.

Question #6.    
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"? Deepak and or MIP6   

Question #7.   
A merry-go-round picture picture goes with the Phrase "Where in the world is ____________"  All I can think of is Carmen Sandiago!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Question #8.    
WIkipedia might refer to this as a snake, a witch, a screen name with multiple posters, or an Aruban Newspaper.  What is it? Bondia   

Question #9.    
Name three girlfriends of Jorans.  Jill, Flo, Melody
Question #10   
Last question...  name three lies that Joran told.  (This has got to be easy - there are hundreds to choose from) He was 19.  He was on holiday from Holland.  He dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 02:06:45 AM
I did a little quiz for Klaas in musings (they joked that I was O/T) - Klaas had practically a perfect score, of course.  I'll leave the questions here for you to try, or the morning monkeys might give it a go (don't peak at answers in musings).

Question #1.    
Describe three separate picture or incidents - one each where Paulus, Anita and Joran were less than acceptably clothed.

Anita brown see through blouse, Paulus with his fly open Khaki shorts, Joran naked on the beach.

Question #2.    
Who is "Rubberlegs"?.  Drawing a blank on that one! Cohen?    ::MonkeyWaa::

Question #3.   
Who said (paraphrased) "You don't understand our system"?.  Guido's cousin...I'll come back to this..Got it Arlene Schipper

Question #4.    
The Barf Doll originated with _______________ I don't think it's Lala's, but I can't decide WHO it was!  I can see the avi I think!    ::MonkeyWaa::

Question #5.    
What is "Sweaty Running Man" in reference to?  Paulus running from reporters.

Question #6.    
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"? Deepak and or MIP6   

Question #7.   
A merry-go-round picture picture goes with the Phrase "Where in the world is ____________"  All I can think of is Carmen Sandiago!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Question #8.    
WIkipedia might refer to this as a snake, a witch, a screen name with multiple posters, or an Aruban Newspaper.  What is it? Bondia   

Question #9.    
Name three girlfriends of Jorans.  Jill, Flo, Melody
Question #10   
Last question...  name three lies that Joran told.  (This has got to be easy - there are hundreds to choose from) He was 19.  He was on holiday from Holland.  He dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.


DUH....#7  JORAN!  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 02:08:13 AM
I do believe there is always progress.It may not always be observable but,progress is being made!As we continue to weed out those distractions from the peanut gallery,we as monkey's,become more focused! ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 02:08:49 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF


 ::MonkeyAngel::



Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 02:35:18 AM


Sleuth, I flunked!  I never did like tests, and Pop Quizzes are the worst!   

It took me FOREVER to remember Arlene Schipper's name...OMG!

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 03:03:09 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: finngirl on June 30, 2009, 03:21:07 AM

Question #2
Who is "Rubberlegs"?

> Ruben Trappenberg/transferred to airport duty
> "Rubberlegs" came from a poster called Hat

Question #4
The Barf Doll originated with _______________

> ScandiNoor of Did I Do Something Wrong, Zoogeeper? fame

Question #6
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"?

> TitodidshenotaskforitLacle:
"did she not ask for it? getting in a car with those boys?"

always wondered what ol' Tito knew
about those boys

Question #7 = no freakin' idea whatsoever
(which proves I didn't peek at the answers)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: GabbyG on June 30, 2009, 03:28:18 AM
::MonkeyLaugh::

GabbyG,
I actually had a valium picture too, but didn't add it so I wouldn't have to add all the warnings about not taking it with the whiskey!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

But since you mentioned it....here ya go!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.rehab-international.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/valium.jpg)

I think we might actually be in for some rain, hope there's not a lot of lightning with it!   ::MonkeyEek::
Maybe it'll cool things off some! 

Have a great day GabbyG!   ::MonkeyCool::


Yayyyy...Just in Time too!! I think I am losing it  LOL
I can NOT believe some of the things I have read/am reading in the older threads! And a lot of it from folks who have been here with the rest of us, since the beginning! WARNING Monkeys!! If handed a cup of colorful liquid, do NOT drink it!
 ::MonkeyDevil::   Thanks texasmom, I will add the valium to the rest of my survival supplies!!
Well, off I go again, back into the war zone.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 03:31:29 AM

Question #2
Who is "Rubberlegs"?

> Ruben Trappenberg/transferred to airport duty
> "Rubberlegs" came from a poster called Hat

Question #4
The Barf Doll originated with _______________

> ScandiNoor of Did I Do Something Wrong, Zoogeeper? fame

Question #6
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"?

> TitodidshenotaskforitLacle:
"did she not ask for it? getting in a car with those boys?"

always wondered what ol' Tito knew
about those boys

Question #7 = no freakin' idea whatsoever
(which proves I didn't peek at the answers)



Hi finngirl!  I was just thinking about you yesterday!
I have a question and hope maybe you know the answer.
All the clues from Finbar a while back.
Do you think Merryweather would have been in the mix of correct answers?

The thought crossed my mind while doing some research.
All that geneology stuff makes me dizzy!

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 03:35:47 AM
::MonkeyLaugh::

GabbyG,
I actually had a valium picture too, but didn't add it so I wouldn't have to add all the warnings about not taking it with the whiskey!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

But since you mentioned it....here ya go!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.rehab-international.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/valium.jpg)

I think we might actually be in for some rain, hope there's not a lot of lightning with it!   ::MonkeyEek::
Maybe it'll cool things off some! 

Have a great day GabbyG!   ::MonkeyCool::


Yayyyy...Just in Time too!! I think I am losing it  LOL
I can NOT believe some of the things I have read/am reading in the older threads! And a lot of it from folks who have been here with the rest of us, since the beginning! WARNING Monkeys!! If handed a cup of colorful liquid, do NOT drink it!
 ::MonkeyDevil::   Thanks texasmom, I will add the valium to the rest of my survival supplies!!
Well, off I go again, back into the war zone.  ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
I know where you're coming from GabbyG.  Let me just say for myself that I've lived and learned a lot here!  I think I probably had my first experiences with high blood pressure in the midst of what you're reading!  I don't think I'll ever go back there!

But I DO admire you for doing it!   ::MonkeyCool::

Whatever it takes.....until we find Justice for Natalee! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 05:50:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 30, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
Good morning, everyone.

TM, I was not aware of OT last night....I was in Musings reading Sleuth's quiz for Klaas.  I lasted until #9 and then went back to sleep.     ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 01:30:32 PM
Good morning, everyone.

TM, I was not aware of OT last night....I was in Musings reading Sleuth's quiz for Klaas.  I lasted until #9 and then went back to sleep.     ::MonkeyHaHa::

whew!  But it was that mod intuition that woke you up!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 01:33:19 PM
Good morning, everyone.

TM, I was not aware of OT last night....I was in Musings reading Sleuth's quiz for Klaas.  I lasted until #9 and then went back to sleep.     ::MonkeyHaHa::

whew!  But it was that mod intuition that woke you up!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Something akin to a Mom waking up from a sound sleep and ... correctly anticipating that her baby is about to cry.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 02:06:11 PM

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::

bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... who does one have to be or know ... to be afforded the honor of being one of the "informed"?

Janet


bastibro

Yoo Hoo!

Who deemed SS worthy to be among the "informed" ... causing her to backtrack and ... once again climb upon the John Silvetti and CAPS bandwagon?

Janet

+++++

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »


1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours

I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 02:07:28 PM
GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?



Kermit

What is the holdup?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 02:33:11 PM

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::

bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... who does one have to be or ... who does one have to know ... to be afforded the honor of being one of the "informed"?

Janet


bastibo

Hi!  It is me again ... Tamikosmom.

Are you privy to what or who was the reason that MumInOhio's return to the CAPS flock following straying away and thinking for herself?  In other words ... how did Mum become one of the "informed".

Mum ... a CAPS adherence ... began questioning his flawed research ... discrepancies ... his overall distraction and ... then "poof" she backtracked.

Janet

+++++

MUMINOHIO - MAY, 2008

MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »


SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379364#msg379364


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1424 on: May 06, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »


SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379383#msg379383


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1440 on: May 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »


Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps

All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
 
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379502#msg379502


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1450 on: May 06, 2008, 07:32:02 PM »


SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!

I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!

There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379518#msg379518


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1456 on: May 06, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »


Well I guess we are all frustrated today!

I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.

You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!

I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.

I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.

Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.

I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says.  Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….

JMHO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379582#msg379582


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1459 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »


... as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379591#msg379591


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1467 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:50 AM »


SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379694#msg379694


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »


SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.

When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.

An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.

I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.

Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…

 I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1493 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »


This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.

Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.

Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.

This is why I ask questions…

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379920#msg379920


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1494 on: May 08, 2008, 09:41:12 AM »


These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379922#msg379922


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1495 on: May 08, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »


Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379926#msg379926


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »


Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379938#msg379938


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #936 on: May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »


SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.

Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.

I am not going to respond any further on the subject.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380072#msg380072


++++++++


DIALOGUE - MUMINOHIO AND TAMIKOSMOM

MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »


Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.  However ... you eventually  backtracked.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know why?

Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »


Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 03:08:48 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Rosalinda Danje (38 years old) that was reported missing on June 29th, found dead this morning on the beach.


Something looks hinky to me, I just don't see how she got where she is laying all by herself.
JMO

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1167

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06292009RosalindaDanjeMissing-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:


fecha: 29/06/2009 | horario: 22:06 is ask cooperacion for localiza the lady here, for cualkier informacion calling 105 or 5613600 autoridadnan conhuntamente cu r ode kruis y search and rescue is buscando the lady here, his name is rosalinda danje of 38 anja, the is 1meter 40 of estatura, cabey black till at schouder y is dress spectacles, the is one paciente cu have to take medicamentonan. the la leave bay oculista in stadionweg y of eynan ela desaparece, the was dress cu one jeans largo t-shirt lichtbruin y is march cu one bag of cabana. if come across cune or know of his paradero calling 105 or 5613600. come across



http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1175&offId=0&offDate=2009-06

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06302009RosalindaDanjeDeceased-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 30/06/2009 | horario: 06:32

tuesday morning early owing to succeed achieve curpa without life of the lady perdi of monday nightfall the pagina here is contene material grafico y strong y do not apto for younger of edad or esnan sensibeldiamars morning early one ciudadano owing to happen near of platform diminutive y owing to descubri the curpa without life of the lady perdi of monday, as we owing to publica in one informe more early http://www.awe24.com/?m=1167 is deal here of rosalinda danje of 38 anja, we will follow informa...... come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 06:00:00 PM
1.  THE COVERUP - SUSPICIONS

Dave Holloway knew from the getgo that there was an Aruban coverup that was preventing justice from prevailing for his beautiful daughter.  Dave was not naive.  Dave was not unaware.

Janet
______

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 10:  Jacobs also told us that the day before we arrived, he had interviewed the boys who eventually became the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance ...... Jacobs considered the boys' statements to be consistent in that they had all said that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel. However, I did not realize at the time that Beth had already told him that the tapes did not show Natalee returning to the Holiday Inn that night.

Page 182:  I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koens father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet. I wondered if they were prepping the father to prep his son for questioning. That was something that seemed all to familiar.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

Edit to fix Bold in Heading


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 06:01:45 PM
2.  THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION/ATA-AHATA

For the longest time ... I have failed to comprehend Dave's ongoing relationship since the summer of 2006 with Mark Purcell ... Mark Purcell who is affiliated with the ATA-AHATA ... Mark Purcell whose past posts on internet forums revealed support of the Aruban agenda and ... utter distain for the family of Natalee Holloway.

for the longest time ... I have failed to comprehend Dave's trusting relationship with the higher ups in the ATA/AHATA.
_______

Who is Mark Purcell?
August 30, 2006


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


Blogs For Natalee
April, 2008


Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!

November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 06:03:13 PM
3.  THE NICARAGUA HOAX

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend Dave Holloway's reaction ... no reaction at all ... in regards to John Silvetti affording the enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been his daughter's remains.

It made sense that Tim Miller would share his heartfelt concerns with Dave during the time they were both persuing the false lead to Nicaragua following the visual dive of December 30, 2007.

Janet
________

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours.  I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat

Kyle Kingman:  Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica.


THe Search for Natalee Holloway - February 22, 2008

To be sure there was no relevant evidence, material from the trap was given to the FBI. For the Holloways, though, another wild ride began.

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

Dave Holloway: He said, "I’d done some wrongs in my past," and he said, "This is my way of making all of my wrongs and all of my sins and doing something right."

Dave was skeptical, but the phone and e-mail messages continued.

In them was a wild tale involving drug runners who said that on the night Natalee disappeared someone had paid them to take her body and dump it at sea.

They agreed but instead they took her remains with them to Nicaragua and hid them on a remote strip of the Atlantic coast.

Dave Holloway: It was a little bit far-fetched for me.

Chris Hansen: What did he want in return?

Dave Holloway: He told us he didn't want anything. And that is what part I started believing in this guy. I said we've got a reward out here.

In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 06:04:16 PM
4.  THE ROV IMAGES

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend what motivated Dave Holloway to request a copy of the ROV images unless Tim Miller share with him during the Nicaragua escapade.

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend Dave Holloway's reaction ... no reaction at all ... in regards to the ROV images that Kyle Kingman forwarded to the FBI ... FBI images that reveal what may have been his daughter's remains ... ROV images that were forwarded to Robin and him.
______

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 06:43:30 PM
Thank you 2NJ

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 08:10:37 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

Rosalinda Danje (38 years old) that was reported missing on June 29th, found dead this morning on the beach.


Something looks hinky to me, I just don't see how she got where she is laying all by herself.
JMO

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1167

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06292009RosalindaDanjeMissing-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:


fecha: 29/06/2009 | horario: 22:06 is ask cooperacion for localiza the lady here, for cualkier informacion calling 105 or 5613600 autoridadnan conhuntamente cu r ode kruis y search and rescue is buscando the lady here, his name is rosalinda danje of 38 anja, the is 1meter 40 of estatura, cabey black till at schouder y is dress spectacles, the is one paciente cu have to take medicamentonan. the la leave bay oculista in stadionweg y of eynan ela desaparece, the was dress cu one jeans largo t-shirt lichtbruin y is march cu one bag of cabana. if come across cune or know of his paradero calling 105 or 5613600. come across



http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1175&offId=0&offDate=2009-06

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06302009RosalindaDanjeDeceased-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 30/06/2009 | horario: 06:32

tuesday morning early owing to succeed achieve curpa without life of the lady perdi of monday nightfall the pagina here is contene material grafico y strong y do not apto for younger of edad or esnan sensibeldiamars morning early one ciudadano owing to happen near of platform diminutive y owing to descubri the curpa without life of the lady perdi of monday, as we owing to publica in one informe more early http://www.awe24.com/?m=1167 is deal here of rosalinda danje of 38 anja, we will follow informa...... come across

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58888.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Missing woman dead in harbor

30 Jun, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

The missing since yesterday afternoon Danje Linda was found dead this morning in the port of Oranjestad.
ORANGE CITY - The 38-year-old Rosalinda Danje, better known as Linda Danje, was found dead early this morning in the port of Oranjestad. The woman who had mental problems, was missing since yesterday afternoon in Dakota. She probably drowned, although the police have the autopsy should appear.

Danje walked away yesterday after a visit to an ophthalmologist to Stationweg. Relatives and friends began a search immediately, and the Red Cross helped with a team of ten volunteers. The search for the missing woman was evening and stepped up police helicopter was deployed. The voluntary reddingsbrigade Sarfa looked into the sea and airport security personnel of the coast and explored bushes next to the runways. The whole night was diligently sought to Danje. Eventually, a fisherman this morning the lifeless body of a woman called WAF Chiquito, the beach to the Mara Will complex. Something for half past seven family members confirmed that it indeed was Danje Linda.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 08:13:14 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58886.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Ministry of Public Health in their advocacy for deceased Farro

30 Jun, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "Maiky Farro is the victim of negative publicity which finally contributed to his early death. Hopefully, those who mocked him have at least respect the dead and allow Farro in peace. "

This remarkable message was posted yesterday afternoon by the Ministry of Health, Environmental, Administrative and Foreign Affairs in a press release disseminated. In the message, the ministry 'media' and says the huge media attention for a million fraud at the Land Laboratory "fed by politicians." These politicians want, says Health, the attention of their own wrongdoing "as the Race Track, Fondo Desaroyo San Nicolas and Interbank. "Farro committed a mistake and accepted his punishment," said the ministry. Unnecessary 'tease and ridicule of Farro was only for political reasons. "He earned it not for these dirty political games to be dragged along. Let him rest in peace, "concludes the ministry the message.

Maiky Farro knew in his capacity as Administrator of the Land Laboratory in the period from 1997 to 2007 over 10 million florin to darken. After ten years of undisturbed are going to go the end of 2007 he ran against the lamp. Then he fled to Colombia, which the authorities of an international warrant uitvaardigden. When Farro traveled to the United States, the Aruban public prosecution by the U.S. authorities and tipped he could be arrested and extradited. Farro in April was sentenced to 4.5 years in prison. Last Friday he was in prison was unwell and urgently to the hospital. Since he died a day later.

The Land Lab is under the responsibility of the Ministry of Health. Farro finally got a lower sentence than the judge was required because this was also the minister responsible had failed in the audit. Therefore, the fraud can take place for ten years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 08:20:21 PM
http://tinyurl.com/msx29p

(http://www.vermist.nl/typo3temp/pics/3906b97174.jpg)

Recent photograph of the 24-year Kamelya Mirza Bagher Naderi

Kamelya Mirza BAGHER NADERI (female)

Place and date of birth: Iran, 1984

Away since: Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Last residence: Aruba, Netherlands Antilles

Appearance:  Long blond curly hair, brown eyes, dark complexion, slim stature 1.60 m, of butterfly tattoo on the belly and navel piercing. Kamelya wears a gold chain with her name.

Wanted by: Third parties

Additional info:
Since Tuesday, May 12, 2009, the 24-year Kemelya Mirza Bagher Naderi missing. She stayed with a friend on Aruba but left after a quarrel.  On May 12 she had contact with her brother in the Netherlands and later there is a telephone contact with a friend on Texel.  She gave in to friends to stay in Aruba.

Missing Poster:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/MissingPosterKamelyaMirzaBagherNade.jpg)


I think this says she's safe!

Not sure, but I think she decided to extend her stay?

Hopefully we'll find something we can understand better!   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10036/8/

lady irani cu supuestamente was perdi at aruba owing to present at police

monday, 29 june 2009 - 18:12

is so cu monday the child muher cu supuestamente was perdi at aruba (kamela mirza bagher naderi) owing to present at keep of police of oranjestad.e was extremely angry already cu according the all cos was one malentendido enough fastioso p’e, already cu none instant the was perdi or scondi. according the these was have contacto cu his mother via telephone y thing owing to sosode is cu his brother man, cu cual the not have good contacto, will owing to bay at keep of police at the netherlands y entrega the complaint of person perdi.el owing to splika cu past owing to come of vakantie three week happen y owing to dicidi of stay one pair of week more close some conocirnan of dje. here more or less 2 week the will go back bek the netherlands close his family. click read more. past owing to ask for police at aruba clarifica the asunto here publicamente for so alivia the inconveniencia cause for her noticianan cu is contene his name. of part cuerpo policial owing to splike cu is one peticion oficial owing to enter via interpol y mirando we bad experiencia cu person perdi in pasado come across, y also the mature cu we not can owing to localize, owing to disidi of notifica prensa y publico at once for succeed localiz’e will more rapido possible. ela owing to show comprension if for her situation. come across

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58884.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Missing women

30 Jun, 2009, 13:37 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Dutch Kamelya Naderi (24) is justified. They did Monday at the Orange City police and reported it. Their own words, she was not missing or missing and she had regular telephone contact with her mother.

Last weekend appeared in various media including Amigoe the message Naderi since May 12 was disappeared. This response to a message loss of international police organization Interpol. The Dutch police had following the return of her brother alarm beaten.

Naderi was very upset about the misunderstanding and stated that they have no contact with her brother. The agents explained that they them three weeks to the island, and the holiday for some time extended. Naderi is planning for about two weeks to return to her family in the Netherlands. She asked the Aruban police, to "avoid further unpleasant consequences," publicly known that she is not missing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
CONFLICT OF INTEREST?  YOU BE THE JUDGE?
If justice for Natalee Holloway is the objective of the Aruban Law Enforcement ... why the unholy alliance between the investigation and those who represent the tourist industry?

++++++++++
 
ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER - MEDIA SPOKESPERSON

Nancy Grace - December 1, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN TASK FORCE SPOKESPERSON: Thank you.

DIMOND: ... first of all, what is this task force you`re speaking on behalf of?

SCHIPPER: Well, the task force is a combination of concerned people of Aruba, as well as the government. And what we are doing is actually constantly monitoring this case and finding and promoting the truth and stimulating everything, from both support to the family...

DIMOND: But it`s not just -- you don`t speak for the police and the prosecution.

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: You also speak for the merchants and the hotel operators on the island?

SCHIPPER: I do.

DIMOND: Don`t you think that`s a little bit in conflict there?

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: I mean, aren`t we after the truth and not really worrying what the hotel managers want?

SCHIPPER: We are after the truth because Aruba has nothing to gain with not telling the truth or covering up. Aruba wants to get this case solved.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/01/ng.01.html


STEVE COHEN - MEDIA SPOKESPERSON

Dr. Phil show - January 29, 2005


Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 09:21:32 PM
This interview is huge ... a must read.  It reaveal the unholy alliance between the ATA-AHATA and the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  It reveals Aruba's Minister of Tourism and Transportation's sentiments regarding Beth Holloway.

For the longest time ... I have failed to comprehend Dave Holloway's connection with Aruba’s Minister of Tourism and Transportation, Edison Briesen ... the enemy he personally put John Silvetti in touch with in regards to a donation towards the Persistence endeavor.

Janet

++++++

Aruba
US still drives business to Aruba after Holloway case closed
By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008


Nassau, Bahamas (eTN) - Aruba’s recent tourism numbers are expected to look positive compared to previous years. Travel & Tourism in Aruba was expected to rake in US$2354.9 million in economic activity as of 2007 end. Aruba's Travel & Tourism Economy (direct and indirect impact) is expected to account for 70.1 percent of GDP and for 52000 jobs (82.4 percent of total employment), according to the World Travel & Tourism Council. Despite a highly-sensationalized case involving tourist Natalee Holloway, an Alabaman teenager who traveled to the island but mysteriously disappeared two years ago, Aruba's Travel & Tourism is expected to report 2.1 percent growth in 2007 and 3.3 percent per annum, in real terms, between 2008 and 2017.

With good news about Aruba reported by the tourism authorities, last December however, the media revisited an old, but not long- forgotten story. Prosecutors closed the case on Holloway’s disappearance in May 2005 on the Dutch Caribbean island. Authorities said they do not have evidence to charge suspects Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, who were last seen with Holloway. They have been notified by the public prosecutor that they will not be charged. The press was abuzz with the latest developments.

eTN caught up with Aruba’s minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media.  In an exclusive interview at the Caribbean Hotel Association Marketplace held January 13-15 on Paradise Island, Bahamas, Briesen confirmed the US remains strong as its number one market.

eTN: How is the Aruban tourism industry reacting to the developments on the Holloway case being over?

Minister Briesen: We were strongly hit by this incident. Unfortunately last year, they’ve closed the case. But in the Dutch justice system, the case is not close. It will remain a silent, open case should any lead come in. We have spent a lot of money bringing in experts from day one to the last day of December 2007, including Dutch investigation experts. We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which we’ll have to counter.

From 2005 to early 2006, Aruba was badly hit by the incident due to the negative publicity. In October 2006, Aruba tourism recovered. I think we’ve turned the corner.

eTN: With an image of being a peaceful island on the Caribbean, why do you think this incident has been lingering and has continued to impact the tourism industry of Aruba?

Briesen: I don’t know about the family problems they have which seem to be the reason behind this case. In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. It’s been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended. I don’t know what other reasons there exist. We’ve opened our doors to help the family solve their issue. We’ve been cooperative and have spent a lot of government money on the investigation.

eTN: Could this have been a bad example of security loophole?

Briesen: We’ve had the FBI, the Aruban special task force, F16’s and special recovery vessels searching the island. Nothing turned up. It’s really a strange mystery. The island is so small, social ties are strong. Everybody knows everybody in Aruba. For us, this has been a mystery as well. Unfortunately, there is no closure just yet.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?

Briesen: Among all challenges we’ve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us ‘hostage’ for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

We are the safest island in the entire western hemisphere. Things like this don’t happen in Aruba.

eTN: Do you want closure for the family?

Briesen: Of course, we went out of our way to help them. We’ve been very cooperative.

eTN: What message do you have for the US travelers?

Briesen: What happened in Aruba has given us and the Caribbean a hard lesson to learn, which has become for us and everybody a model for crisis management on the islands. This is one case which we, as a member of the Caribbean Tourism Organization, have learned from and employed as a crisis model. We’ve received support from the CTO and the CHA through the years, with sustaining the US market, our loyal clients for over 30 years. Three of four visitors to Aruba are Americans. This is a case that boggles us. But we’d like to forget and move on.

We got tremendous support from the US market. Forty-two percent of our rooms are timeshare, booked primarily by Americans. They’ve helped us turn the corner so Aruba can move on.

Aruba tourism Aruba’s minister of tourism and transportation Caribbean Hotel Association Marketplace Edison Briesen natalee Holloway World World Travel & Tourism Council

http://www.eturbonews.com/865/us-still-drives-business-aruba-after-holloway-case-closed


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
Beth Holloway gets it and ... when all is said and done ... I know that Dave Holloway gets it.  For the longest time ... I did not comprehend Dave's reasoning for his trust of the enemy.  Afterall ... he had an indepth knowedge of the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for his precious daughter.

Janet

++++++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

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:  Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 09:30:26 PM
I am done!

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet]
6:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2009, 11:49:12 PM
Janet,

Are you sure that it was Edison Briesen that Dave Holloway put John Silvetti in touch with?

Just asking because when I read that, I think of Rob Smith as the head of the hotel association.

TIA

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For the longest time ... I have failed to comprehend Dave Holloway's connection with Aruba’s Minister of Tourism and Transportation, Edison Briesen ... the enemy he personally put John Silvetti in touch with in regards to a donation towards the Persistence endeavor.

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jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: iris44 on July 01, 2009, 02:16:10 AM
4.  THE ROV IMAGES

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend what motivated Dave Holloway to request a copy of the ROV images unless Tim Miller share with him during the Nicaragua escapade.

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend Dave Holloway's reaction ... no reaction at all ... in regards to the ROV images that Kyle Kingman forwarded to the FBI ... FBI images that reveal what may have been his daughter's remains ... ROV images that were forwarded to Robin and him.
______

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047

I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Dave H. had no reaction to the ROV images.  Unless you mean that he did not post his reaction on SM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 03:43:21 AM
6/25/2009 Awe Mainta Page 8

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Papiamentu translation:

castigo pisa in caso traficacion of drugs in troli of galloway for the netherlands
 
yesterday morning huez owing to dicta sentencia in the caso of traficacion of drugs among aruba y the netherlands cu owing to take away the name mullet.

the sospechosonan, farley y haime wiersma, mario maduro, carlos de los santos gumbs, luis becerra valor, jose escobar garcia y sanchez owing to present in corte for listen they castigo. once more francisco “chinto” geerman not owing to present, because past owing to deny of wordo transporta for team of aresto. in the caso here had several employee of galloway envolvi y also acolyte of douane recherche, kendenan have to is encarga cu combatimento of drugs.

anteriormente fiscal owing to descend pisa on the are caminda the is considera mario maduro, the cabezante of the organisacion criminal cu was dedica his self at traficacion of drugs y labamento of coin y owing to exigi 7 year y 6 month of jail p’e. fiscal owing to exigi 6 year of jail for francisco (chinto) geerman, for jose escobar garcia, luis becerra valor y carlos de los santos gumbs, kendenan t’esnan cu was work at galloway past owing to exigi 5 year of jail.

for sanchez past owing to exigi 3 year y 6 month of jail. p’e douanero farley wiersma, that owing to help trafica one bag of laptop cu 5 kilo of cocaina, past owing to exigi 3 year y 6 month of jail, while for his brother, haime wiersma, owing to exigi 3 year of jail.

huez first cu owing to cuminsa cu lesamento of his sentencia owing to tell cu the will bay take one sancion contra ministerio publico, because the is achieve prove locual advocate mr. van der sloot  owing to trece front for his cliente mario maduro, esta cu had violacion of norm in the asunto of tapmento of combersacionnan. huez is achieve cu enberdad have to garantiza cu do not listen combersacionnan secreto among advocate y cliente y cu fiscal owing to abort here in controla this. huez owing to tell cu because; sancion the will reduci the castigo of mario maduro cu 6 month.

huez owing to tell cu the is considera mario maduro the cabesante of the organisacion at aruba. huez owing to as at cuenta cu anteriormente maduro owing to arrive of cay close end for asunto of drugs. huez is achieve the castigo exigi for fiscal, esta 7 year y 6 month at his lugar, but is desconta the 6 month because; sancion contra ministerio publico. esey is haci cu mario maduro owing to wordo condena at 7 year of jail. huez is considera chinto geerman the hand right of mario maduro y cu the also owing to arrive of cay close end for drugs. sinembargo huez is achieve cu do not all the acusacionnan cu fiscal owing to present contra chinto geerman owing to stay prove. teniendo all the puntonan here at cuenta, past owing to condena chinto geerman at 4 year of jail.

huez is achieve cu luis beccera valor, jose escobar garcia, carlos de los santos gumbs owing to abusa of confianza cu galloway had in they. past owing to condena becera valor y escobar garcia at 4 year y 6 month of jail, because they owing to participa at more transporte of drugs compara cu carlos de los santos gumbs. huez owing to conden’e at 4 year of jail.

huez is achieve cu the douanero farley wiersma his participacion was crucial. because; acolyte douane cu for much time dedica at combatimento of drugs, the is achieve cu this is one sla duro for credibilidad of douane. past owing to condena farley wiersma at 3 year of jail y cu for 3 year farley wiersma not can work more in the apparatus gubernamental.

for thing t’e brother man of farley, esta haime wiersma, huez owing to tum’e at bad of owing to bay convence his brother douanero for haci algo cu just the brother is combati. huez owing to as at cuenta the mature cu haime is sufriendo of one ailment cu is haci his detencion in kia mucho more pisa y pesey owing to reduci the castigo of fiscal. past owing to condena haime wiersma at 2 year y 3 month of jail. for thing is sanchez, that owing to form part of one transporte of drugs y owing to help cu labamento of coin, huez owing to conden’e at 2 year y 6 month of jail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 07:43:44 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 09:45:12 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:51:26 AM
4.  THE ROV IMAGES

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend what motivated Dave Holloway to request a copy of the ROV images unless Tim Miller share with him during the Nicaragua escapade.

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend Dave Holloway's reaction ... no reaction at all  ... in regards to the ROV images that Kyle Kingman forwarded to the FBI ... FBI images that reveal what may have been his daughter's remains ... ROV images that were forwarded to Robin and him.
______

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047

I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Dave H. had no reaction to the ROV images.  Unless you mean that he did not post his reaction on SM.

Iris

I will only share as a reminder of what has already been posted on the SM Natalee Holloway forum.

Immediately following the visual dive of December 30, 2007 ... the dive when the Aruban divers claimed there was nothing case related in the trap ... the dive that troubled both Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller ... the dive that John Silvetti would not comply with Kyle's  request that samples be retrieved and brought back to the Persistence for examination ... Dave Holloway and Tim Miller pursued a false tip that took them to Nicaragua.  Logic dictates that Tim would have shared his concerns with Dave at this time.

Then the ROV images of the trap are forwarded to Dave Holloway by the FBI and ... his wife posts them on the internet.

Nevertheless ... in the spring of 2008 Dave Holloway puts John Silvetti in touch with the "Head of the Hotel Association"  in regards to raising funds to continue the search effort.

Then ... In November, 2008 Kyle Kingman's own word's are revealed ... words that imply that  the contents of the trap were afforded to the enemy unchallenged for self-beneficial reasons by John Silvetti.  I know that Dave Holloway was afforded a compilation of Kyle's words.

Nevertheless ... according to Debbie at BFN ... currently Dave Holloway is involved with John Silvetti and Tim Miller in an attempt to raise funds to underwrite another search in Aruban waters.

What is wrong with this picture?  Personally ... I cannot get passed the ROV images and Kyle Kingman's own words.

No quotes!  Did I hear a collective sigh of relief?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning Monkeys.

Janet
8:45 AM PT




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:53:12 AM
Mods ... please edit:

visual dive of December 30, 2005 s/b 2007

Thank you.

Janet

Done. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:02:17 PM
Mods ... please edit:

visual dive of December 30, 2005 s/b 2007

Thank you.

Janet

Done. 

Thanks 2NJ.

In regards to the Natalee Holloway case ... I am stuck in a time warp ... May 30, 2005.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 01, 2009, 12:16:10 PM
I've been tryin to stear clear of some of the drive-by's,as of late!Those who choose to do drive-by's need to stick around and have a converstaion in regards to their questions..JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:20:17 PM
I've been tryin to stear clear of some of the drive-by's,as of late!Those who choose to do drive-by's need to stick around and have a converstaion in regards to their questions..JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::

I disagree Keepthefaith.

I consider it an opportunity to respectfully set the record straight from my perspective.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 01, 2009, 12:22:27 PM
I've been tryin to stear clear of some of the drive-by's,as of late!Those who choose to do drive-by's need to stick around and have a converstaion in regards to their questions..JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::

I disagree Keepthefaith.

I consider it an opportunity to respectfully set the record straight from my perspective.

Janet

That wasn't intended for you Janet.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:28:16 PM
I've been tryin to stear clear of some of the drive-by's,as of late!Those who choose to do drive-by's need to stick around and have a converstaion in regards to their questions..JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::

I disagree Keepthefaith.

I consider it an opportunity to respectfully set the record straight from my perspective.

Janet

That wasn't intended for you Janet.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I meant that I do not mind responding to drivebys.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 12:37:41 PM
I've been tryin to stear clear of some of the drive-by's,as of late!Those who choose to do drive-by's need to stick around and have a converstaion in regards to their questions..JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::

I disagree Keepthefaith.

I consider it an opportunity to respectfully set the record straight from my perspective.

Janet

That wasn't intended for you Janet.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I meant that I do not mind responding to drivebys.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


I understand what both of you are saying.

I do know that I have responded a couple of times recently, once to answer a question and the second to ask a couple, and neither were acknowledged by the posters.  C'est la vie.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:41:18 PM
I've been tryin to stear clear of some of the drive-by's,as of late!Those who choose to do drive-by's need to stick around and have a converstaion in regards to their questions..JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::

I disagree Keepthefaith.

I consider it an opportunity to respectfully set the record straight from my perspective.

Janet

That wasn't intended for you Janet.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I meant that I do not mind responding to drivebys.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


I understand what both of you are saying.

I do know that I have responded a couple of times recently, once to answer a question and the second to ask a couple, and neither were acknowledged by the posters.  C'est la vie.

I believe that a well-thought out response to a driveby's question or insinuation has the ability to put an end to the dialogue.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:55:48 PM
Have we heard any more from bastibro in regard to his insinuation that it was an "informed" SS who climbed back on CAPS/Silvetti bandwagon?

bastibro was challenged to reveal the identity of the informant ... challenged to reveal what must one do or be to afforded the priviledge of becoming one of the informed and  ... he backed off ... disappeared.

Nevertheless ... bastibro's words did reveal something Monkeys have suspected.  The implication of his words were that there are influences behind the scenes who have the ability to convince others to adhere to the Aruban agenda of distracting from the contents of the trap.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 01, 2009, 12:56:48 PM
I've been tryin to stear clear of some of the drive-by's,as of late!Those who choose to do drive-by's need to stick around and have a converstaion in regards to their questions..JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::

I disagree Keepthefaith.

I consider it an opportunity to respectfully set the record straight from my perspective.

Janet

That wasn't intended for you Janet.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I meant that I do not mind responding to drivebys.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


I understand what both of you are saying.

I do know that I have responded a couple of times recently, once to answer a question and the second to ask a couple, and neither were acknowledged by the posters.  C'est la vie.

I guess i need to shut-up and keep scrollin,scrollin,scrollin or lurkin,lurkin,lurkin... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 01, 2009, 01:00:26 PM
Have we heard any more from bastibro in regard to his insinuation that it was an "informed" SS who climbed back on CAPS/Silvetti bandwagon?

bastibro was challenged to reveal the identity of the informant ... challenged to reveal what must one do or be to afforded the priviledge of becoming one of the informed and  ... he backed off ... disappeared.

Nevertheless ... bastibro's words did reveal something Monkeys have suspected.  The implication of his words were that there are influences behind the scenes who have the ability to convince others to adhere to the Aruban agenda of distracting from the contents of the trap.

Janet



My definition of "informed",i think,will be quite contradictory to what Bastibro & his friends definition of "informed" is.....JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 01, 2009, 01:01:25 PM
Have we heard any more from bastibro in regard to his insinuation that it was an "informed" SS who climbed back on CAPS/Silvetti bandwagon?

bastibro was challenged to reveal the identity of the informant ... challenged to reveal what must one do or be to afforded the priviledge of becoming one of the informed and  ... he backed off ... disappeared.

Nevertheless ... bastibro's words did reveal something Monkeys have suspected.  The implication of his words were that there are influences behind the scenes who have the ability to convince others to adhere to the Aruban agenda of distracting from the contents of the trap.

Janet



My definition of "informed",i think,will be quite contradictory to what Bastibro & his friends definition of "informed" is.....JMOO

OK..I'll shut up.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 01:10:01 PM
Have we heard any more from bastibro in regard to his insinuation that it was an "informed" SS who climbed back on CAPS/Silvetti bandwagon?

bastibro was challenged to reveal the identity of the informant ... challenged to reveal what must one do or be to afforded the priviledge of becoming one of the informed and  ... he backed off ... disappeared.

Nevertheless ... bastibro's words did reveal something Monkeys have suspected.  The implication of his words were that there are influences behind the scenes who have the ability to convince others to adhere to the Aruban agenda of distracting from the contents of the trap.

Janet



My first interpretation of bastibro's statements was that they had an undertone of insult.....stating SS came to her senses, unlike some others and then suggesting SS was more informed, followed by a wink. 

I chose to ask questions with the hope that bastibro would give us his stance and basis for making those statements.  I, personally, did not focus on any particular informant or source that may have had an effect on his/their point of view.   (that could be subject to change, however.)   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 02:15:32 PM

Well I guess if I have a question, I need to get in my pink convertible before I ask.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 01, 2009, 02:19:55 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
Have we heard any more from bastibro in regard to his insinuation that it was an "informed" SS who climbed back on CAPS/Silvetti bandwagon?

bastibro was challenged to reveal the identity of the informant ... challenged to reveal what must one do or be to afforded the priviledge of becoming one of the informed and  ... he backed off ... disappeared.

Nevertheless ... bastibro's words did reveal something Monkeys have suspected.  The implication of his words were that there are influences behind the scenes who have the ability to convince others to adhere to the Aruban agenda of distracting from the contents of the trap.

Janet



My first interpretation of bastibro's statements was that they had an undertone of insult.....stating SS came to her senses, unlike some others and then suggesting SS was more informed, followed by a wink. 

I chose to ask questions with the hope that bastibro would give us his stance and basis for making those statements.  I, personally, did not focus on any particular informant or source that may have had an effect on his/their point of view.   (that could be subject to change, however.)   

Exactly!

2NJ

My challenge to bastibro was an attempt to get him to reveal who/what was instrumental in bringing SS back into the Silvetti/CAPS flock following her embracing Kyle Kingman's own words.  When all was said and done ... I knew he would not respond to my challenge.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 02:22:44 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
Have we heard any more from bastibro in regard to his insinuation that it was an "informed" SS who climbed back on CAPS/Silvetti bandwagon?

bastibro was challenged to reveal the identity of the informant ... challenged to reveal what must one do or be to afforded the priviledge of becoming one of the informed and  ... he backed off ... disappeared.

Nevertheless ... bastibro's words did reveal something Monkeys have suspected.  The implication of his words were that there are influences behind the scenes who have the ability to convince others to adhere to the Aruban agenda of distracting from the contents of the trap.

Janet




Maybe if Tamikosmom was "informed" ... she could look at the topic from a different perspective.  Maybe she would disregard Kyle Kingman's own words as an illusion and ... jump onto the Silvetti/CAPS band wagon.

Janet

++++++++



I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others

It`s also possible that she is more informed ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 03:01:22 PM
2NJ

Please change yellow highlight in my post to red.

Sorry for being a pest.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 03:19:05 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 03:33:29 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Good possibility that it's not really Dave Holloway's page....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 03:36:23 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Could it have something to do with the influence of his friend Mark Purcell?  Mark Purcell does not have a problem with Joran or the Kalpoes.

Janet

++++++++

ROBIN AND DAVE HOLLOWAY - MARK PURCELL

Blogs for Natalee


Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


MARK PURCELL

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.  Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 03:36:44 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Good possibility that it's not really Dave Holloway's page....

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 03:41:58 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Patriot

If you could you please provide the Facebook link ... I would sure appreciate it.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 03:44:41 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 03:46:26 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Good possibility that it's not really Dave Holloway's page....

I agree.

It may not be his page. But it looks legit to me..

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Did you see the rest of his friends? All seem legit. Robin Parten Holloway, Larry Garrison, Brett Farve, Kyle Petty,


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 03:48:25 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 

Correct. I did start here. I have screen shots to post if I knew how...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 03:48:41 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Could it have something to do with the influence of his friend Mark Purcell?  Mark Purcell does not have a problem with Joran or the Kalpoes.

Janet

++++++++

ROBIN AND DAVE HOLLOWAY - MARK PURCELL

Blogs for Natalee


Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


MARK PURCELL - THE KALPOES

Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K  for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.  Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.



Patriot

Mark Purcell's very good friend Julia Renfro thinks very highly of Joran and the Kalpoes also.

Janet

++++


JULIA RENFRO

Seattle Times - June 9, 2007


Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 03:50:54 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Patriot

If you could you please provide the Facebook link ... I would sure appreciate it.

Thank you.

Janet

Hi Janet, here's the link.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1381792855&ref=ts


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 03:51:25 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 

Correct. I did start here. I have screen shots to post if I knew how...

You're right Patriot, they are listed as friends on what I believe IS his page.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 03:51:43 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 

Correct. I did start here. I have screen shots to post if I knew how...

texasmom could give your a crash course.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 03:52:31 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 

Correct. I did start here. I have screen shots to post if I knew how...

You're right Patriot, they are listed as friends on what I believe IS his page.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 03:53:09 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Could it have something to do with the influence of his friend Mark Purcell?  Mark Purcell does not have a problem with Joran or the Kalpoes.

Janet

++++++++

ROBIN AND DAVE HOLLOWAY - MARK PURCELL

Blogs for Natalee


Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


MARK PURCELL - THE KALPOES

Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K  for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.  Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.



Patriot

Mark Purcell's very good friend Julia Renfro thinks very highly of Joran and the Kalpoes also.

Janet

++++


JULIA RENFRO

Seattle Times - June 9, 2007


Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


I know. I'm totally confused now if this Facebook thing is legit. ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 04:01:57 PM
I got to run guys. leaving work. I'll check in later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 04:05:38 PM

Patriot ... what makes you think this facebook account may not be that of Natalee Holloway's father?  I would appreciate your thoughts.

Janet

++++++

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1381792855&ref=ts



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 04:07:22 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 

Correct. I did start here. I have screen shots to post if I knew how...

You're right Patriot, they are listed as friends on what I believe IS his page.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I never had an interest in Facebook, but my sons and others have been long users.  Recently a friend sent a request to join to see her pictures.  Many of us did and found she had no pictures.  Since then, my son has been laughing about the friends I've accumulated.  They come out of the woodwork.  Some are from grammar school, and that was a long, long time ago.  I told son that if someone sends a friend request, I didn't want to hurt their feelings so I accepted.  He agreed that he does the same. 

Could it be that Satish & Michael requested to be Dave's friend.  In doing so, they can see his page and he can see theirs.  Of course, the opposite could have occurred....Dave asking them, but I'm having difficulty imagining that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 04:07:31 PM

I know. I'm totally confused now if this Facebook thing is legit. ::MonkeyConfused::


Patriot

What makes you think this facebook account may not be that of Natalee Holloway's father?  I would appreciate your thoughts.

Janet

++++++

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1381792855&ref=ts


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 04:13:51 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 

Correct. I did start here. I have screen shots to post if I knew how...

You're right Patriot, they are listed as friends on what I believe IS his page.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I never had an interest in Facebook, but my sons and others have been long users.  Recently a friend sent a request to join to see her pictures.  Many of us did and found she had no pictures.  Since then, my son has been laughing about the friends I've accumulated.  They come out of the woodwork.  Some are from grammar school, and that was a long, long time ago.  I told son that if someone sends a friend request, I didn't want to hurt their feelings so I accepted.  He agreed that he does the same. 

Could it be that Satish & Michael requested to be Dave's friend.  In doing so, they can see his page and he can see theirs.  Of course, the opposite could have occurred....Dave asking them, but I'm having difficulty imagining that.

I've been having the same thoughts 2NJ.  I'm not really into all the facebook stuff either.  One of my sister's gripes at me constantly about not doing something with my page, lol. 

Because they are there, doesn't mean they are actually "friends".  JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 04:18:03 PM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

Thoughts?

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 04:25:41 PM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

Thoughts?

Janet
 


Most men are fans of Victoria's Secret.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 04:30:03 PM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

Thoughts?

Janet
 

Yep, I saw that, too, but living with 3 men, I do know what they like to look at, and they haven't said I was 'hot' lately.     ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 04:31:16 PM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

Thoughts?

Janet
 


Most men are fans of Victoria's Secret.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

However ... when I consider Dave Holloway's conservative character ... I do not believe he would announce this to the world.

However ... I could be wrong.  Dave Holloway's role in the Natalee Holloway case has proved me wrong ... time and time again.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 04:32:04 PM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

Thoughts?

Janet
 

Yep, I saw that, too, but living with 3 men, I do know what they like to look at, and they haven't said I was 'hot' lately.     ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 04:33:15 PM
The minute I clicked "post" ... I anticipated what was to come.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2009, 04:35:30 PM


I clicked on the link....he is only one of 1,839,149 fans   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 04:47:24 PM


I clicked on the link....he is only one of 1,839,149 fans   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

texasmom

Do I understand correctly?  You believe that Dave Holloway conservative character would allow him to reveal on the front page of facebook for all to see that he is a fan of Victoria Secret.

Hey ... maybe this facebook account is legit.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 04:54:49 PM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

Thoughts?

Janet
 

Yep, I saw that, too, but living with 3 men, I do know what they like to look at, and they haven't said I was 'hot' lately.     ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Then you had better go on a quiet little shopping trip for the benefit of one of those three men or ... better still ... announce the shopping trip for all to read on the front page of your facebook account.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 05:47:53 PM

How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...


Could it have something to do with the influence of his friend Mark Purcell?  Mark Purcell does not have a problem with Joran or the Kalpoes.
Janet

++++++++

ROBIN AND DAVE HOLLOWAY - MARK PURCELL

Blogs for Natalee


Robin Holloway:  I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM

Robin Holloway: MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM


EMAIL

ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something.  As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


MARK PURCELL - JORAN AND THE KALPOES

Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him.  The K brothers for the same as Joran.  The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps.   To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.  Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.




http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Holloway/1381792855

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 06:01:56 PM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

Thoughts?

Janet
 

Yep, I saw that, too, but living with 3 men, I do know what they like to look at, and they haven't said I was 'hot' lately.     ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Then you had better go on a quiet little shopping trip for the benefit of one of those three men or ... better still ... announce the shopping trip for all to read on the front page of your facebook account.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Yeah, right....some photoshopping is what's needed.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 06:17:20 PM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

Thoughts?

Janet
 

Yep, I saw that, too, but living with 3 men, I do know what they like to look at, and they haven't said I was 'hot' lately.     ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Then you had better go on a quiet little shopping trip for the benefit of one of those three men or ... better still ... announce the shopping trip for all to read on the front page of your facebook account.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Yeah, right....some photoshopping is what's needed.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am at the stage in my life were I look best in a flannel or cotton nighty with pretty little flowers all over.  I get no complaints except if I am still in that respective nighty with my bedhead hair sitting at the computer at 10:00 in the morning.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on July 01, 2009, 06:48:01 PM
Letter Oduber 'childish'
 1 Jul, 2009, 14:09 (GMT -04:00) 

Oranje Stad – SP Parlement member Ronald van Raak called the letter that the trustee Minister of Aruba , Frido Croes (MEP), sent to the Dutch Second Chamber, 'childish'.  In the letter Croes complains on recriminations of Van Raak and parliamentarian Hero Brinkman (PVV) to the Aruban prime minister.

These were made last week Tuesday during question time with Minister Guusje ter Horst(PvdA). De Raak said Prime Minister Nelson Oduber was an unreliable driver. Brinkman said he was one of the biggest criminals of the island. "Proceedings in parliament, which sets itself as an example in terms of manners, which I did not expect my approval and can not bear," said the representative minister in his letter to Second Chamber chairman Gerdi Verbeet.
 
Van Raak doesn`t take back his statements, according to the Dutch news Nu.nl. "He is really an unreliable driver.  There is a leaked internal report which revealed that Oduber knowingly initiatives to sabotage the board on the island to improve. "Van Raak refers to the report of the Dutch Representation in Aruba at the beginning of this year that leaked. Oduber and other Aruban boardmembers say this report are "rumors and fairy tale stories.

Now that Aruba in a letter complained about him, Van Raak says he will also sent a note to return. "I will tell him that I am accountable to the voters and not to him."

Yesterday was already known that, despite Aruban protests, the Netherlands wants an independent investigation into mismanagement and corruption on the island.  Premier Oduber has informed not to cooperate with this investigation. If Aruba will not cooperate with the Government, Ministers will order for such investigation, as did Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten(CDA)of Kingdom Relations in a letter yesterday let the the Second Chamber know.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58956.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 01, 2009, 09:51:36 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 

Correct. I did start here. I have screen shots to post if I knew how...

You're right Patriot, they are listed as friends on what I believe IS his page.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
I believe that Robin probably started the page for Dave and Dave probably has no idea that He even has a facebook page...JMO!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 10:02:48 PM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
7:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bc73 on July 01, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
Not quite sure how many people here have a facebook page, but if legit, those people have added Dave as a "friend" IMO. Whether Dave handles this page or someone else does it for him, my experience with myspace and facebook, is this would actually benefit Dave Holloway. It allows "Dave", or whoever to creep around those peoples pages and friends,maybe obtaining some good info from other sources. I know the exact situation on myspace was a major reason I was able to receive a favorable judgement in a court of law in Massachusetts. People slip up, and sometimes post things they shouldn't,resulting in leads or admissions. We all know how many admissions were already made in this case, but we also know this "game" was fixed from the start.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:00:02 PM
I'm a big Facebook user and I don't accept some friend requests... I think if Dave wanted to keep tabs on Satish's page he could find a way to do it without becoming friends with him. I find it very strange. I just think it sends a bad message to be friends with one of the people responsible for your daughters disappearance.

But then again, who knows what Dave is thinking maybe he wants to keep tabs on Satish?

I still stand with Beth,Dave and the frog...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:07:23 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but just in case some have not.  Here is Mark Purcell's Facebook site. Both Robin and Debbie are listed as friends.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103748303&hiq=mark%2Cpurcell

I think maybe Patriot found Dave's starting from here. 

Correct. I did start here. I have screen shots to post if I knew how...

You're right Patriot, they are listed as friends on what I believe IS his page.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
I believe that Robin probably started the page for Dave and Dave probably has no idea that He even has a facebook page...JMO!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Why would Robin do that and then become friends with these clowns using his name??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:12:17 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:14:35 PM
sorry for the double post. I never posted a pic before.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
sorry for the double post. I never posted a pic before.

Ya done good Patriot.

!.  Patriot do you have a link for Satish Kalpoe's facebook?

2.  Are you able to screen print Dave Holloway's facebook page that has Satish Kalpoe and Michael Dompig listed as friends?

Thank you

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 11:20:45 PM
Patriot,

It's possible that someone else started the site for Dave, but he has to have been told by someone what is there.....jmo, from my own experience with Facebook, which is minimal.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:24:37 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:34:49 PM
sorry for the double post. I never posted a pic before.

Ya done good Patriot.

!.  Patriot do you have a link for Satish Kalpoe's facebook?

2.  Are you able to screen print Dave Holloway's facebook page that has Satish Kalpoe and Michael Dompig listed as friends?

Thank you

Janet

Here's the link to Satish's page
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1811797&id=776168258#/profile.php?id=776168258


Here's Dompig's

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=83116&id=776168258#/profile.php?id=1581846995


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 11:35:28 PM
Thank you, Patriot, for the screen shot.  Now, if you can post Michael Dompig's, Tamikosmom will be happy.  I saw them earlier, when you brought it up, but can't capture as well as you, at the moment. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 11:36:55 PM
Oops...I see you've given her the links, which I know she posted earlier.     ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:38:02 PM
Patriot,

It's possible that someone else started the site for Dave, but he has to have been told by someone what is there.....jmo, from my own experience with Facebook, which is minimal.   

I'm not saying it isn't possible. It is absolutly possible. I just find it strange...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 11:39:13 PM
Patriot,

It's possible that someone else started the site for Dave, but he has to have been told by someone what is there.....jmo, from my own experience with Facebook, which is minimal.   

I'm not saying it isn't possible. It is absolutly possible. I just find it strange...

I agree, Patriot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
When you consider that Dave is listed as a friend in Satish's facebook and ... Satish is listed as a friend in Dave's facebook ... there must be a connection.

However ... it does not make sense.  Prior to the connection with Mark Purcell in the summer of 2006 both Dave and Robin believe that Joran, Deepak and Satish held the answers to what happened to Natalee.  However ... Mark Purcell does not believe these three are guilty of any wrong doing.

Janet

+++++++


ROBIN HOLLOWAY - JORAN AND THE KALPOES


FOX News - August 26, 2005


The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with Joran van der Sloot (search), 18, who authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed.

"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss.  We've known all along they all had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166995,00.html


CBS News - June 17, 2005

"I don't think they're going to find Natalee until these [first] three guys talk," said Robin Holloway.  "They know they were the last ones to see her. And I firmly believe in my heart they know where Natalee is and just please tell us.  They hold the answer."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/earlyshow/main702639.shtml


MARK PURCELL - JORAN AND THE KALPOES

Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him.  The K brothers for the same as Joran.  The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps.   To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.  Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:42:14 PM
Patriot

Thank you so much.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:42:14 PM
Thank you, Patriot, for the screen shot.  Now, if you can post Michael Dompig's, Tamikosmom will be happy.  I saw them earlier, when you brought it up, but can't capture as well as you, at the moment. 

I'll post Dompig's screen shot tomorrow. I have it saved on my computer at work and forgot to attach it before I left. I'm on a PC at home and I don't know how to do screen shots.

BTW, I'm a fan of Victoria's secret too


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 01, 2009, 11:43:35 PM
My laptop is about to die and I got to get some sleep. See you guys in the morning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:48:00 PM
Patriot,

It's possible that someone else started the site for Dave, but he has to have been told by someone what is there.....jmo, from my own experience with Facebook, which is minimal.   

2NJ

I am clueless in regards to facebook.

I was hoping youngest son and wife would be dropping by and ... I could ask them tons of questions.  However ... so far they are a no show.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ... Patriot has come through beautifully.

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:49:13 PM
Thank you, Patriot, for the screen shot.  Now, if you can post Michael Dompig's, Tamikosmom will be happy.  I saw them earlier, when you brought it up, but can't capture as well as you, at the moment. 

I'll post Dompig's screen shot tomorrow. I have it saved on my computer at work and forgot to attach it before I left. I'm on a PC at home and I don't know how to do screen shots.

BTW, I'm a fan of Victoria's secret too

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Good Night Patriot and ... thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 11:51:56 PM
Thank you, Patriot, for the screen shot.  Now, if you can post Michael Dompig's, Tamikosmom will be happy.  I saw them earlier, when you brought it up, but can't capture as well as you, at the moment. 

I'll post Dompig's screen shot tomorrow. I have it saved on my computer at work and forgot to attach it before I left. I'm on a PC at home and I don't know how to do screen shots.

BTW, I'm a fan of Victoria's secret too

I understand, Patriot.  Thank you.  I have a clunker here that has to be replaced someday soon. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 01, 2009, 11:53:50 PM
Thank you, Patriot, for the screen shot.  Now, if you can post Michael Dompig's, Tamikosmom will be happy.  I saw them earlier, when you brought it up, but can't capture as well as you, at the moment. 

I'll post Dompig's screen shot tomorrow. I have it saved on my computer at work and forgot to attach it before I left. I'm on a PC at home and I don't know how to do screen shots.

BTW, I'm a fan of Victoria's secret too

I understand, Patriot.  Thank you.  I have a clunker here that has to be replaced someday soon. 



I was referring to the computer, btw....        ::MonkeyHaHa::

Goodnight, Patriot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:55:37 PM
Thank you, Patriot, for the screen shot.  Now, if you can post Michael Dompig's, Tamikosmom will be happy.  I saw them earlier, when you brought it up, but can't capture as well as you, at the moment. 

I'll post Dompig's screen shot tomorrow. I have it saved on my computer at work and forgot to attach it before I left. I'm on a PC at home and I don't know how to do screen shots.

BTW, I'm a fan of Victoria's secret too

I understand, Patriot.  Thank you.  I have a clunker here that has to be replaced someday soon. 



I was referring to the computer, btw....        ::MonkeyHaHa::

Goodnight, Patriot.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 11:57:12 PM
Good Night Monkeys and ... this time I mean it.

YAAAWN

Janet
9:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 12:13:49 AM
Good Night Monkeys and ... this time I mean it.

YAAAWN

Janet
9:00 PM PT

Good night, Janet.  We'll see you later. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 01:09:48 AM
2NJSons_Mom, texasmom, wreck, Icehawk and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hello and good night to you all.  Will see you later. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 01:20:06 AM
I don't think that "the" Satish Kalpoe's page.  Either somebody else with the same name or a fake somebody put up.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 01:21:18 AM
2NJSons_Mom, texasmom, wreck, Icehawk and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hello and good night to you all.  Will see you later. 

Hello and good night to you too 2NJ!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 02:29:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: iris44 on July 02, 2009, 02:42:06 AM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .

I just saw my horse veterinarians Facebook and he apparantly is a Victoria Secret fan also.  Maybe they just say it as a joke?  In any case, it's really more information than I need to know! 

Thoughts?

Janet
 


Most men are fans of Victoria's Secret.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: iris44 on July 02, 2009, 02:45:41 AM
The reason I question maybe this facebook account is not legit ... is the front page ... prior to signing in ...

Dave Holloway is a fan of:

Products

Victoria Secrets


I may have a lot a questions encompassing Dave Holloways actions and relationships that I sincerely believe have been detrimental in his quest for justice but ... .


Thoughts?

Janet
 


Most men are fans of Victoria's Secret.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Sorry, I posted the first time right in the middle of your previous post.

I just saw my horse veterinarians Facebook and he apparantly is a Victoria Secret fan also.  Maybe they just say it as a joke?  In any case, it's really more information than I need to know! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 03:36:59 AM
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

7/1/2009 Aruba Today Page 6

I think that could be Philip Merryweather in the white cap (Pic with Valentijn) but I'm not sure.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/07012009ValentijnVandersloot_HerbMe.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/07012009ArubaTodayPg6ValentijnVande.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: iris44 on July 02, 2009, 03:38:01 AM
4.  THE ROV IMAGES

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend what motivated Dave Holloway to request a copy of the ROV images unless Tim Miller share with him during the Nicaragua escapade.

For the longest time I have failed to comprehend Dave Holloway's reaction ... no reaction at all  ... in regards to the ROV images that Kyle Kingman forwarded to the FBI ... FBI images that reveal what may have been his daughter's remains ... ROV images that were forwarded to Robin and him.
______

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047

I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Dave H. had no reaction to the ROV images.  Unless you mean that he did not post his reaction on SM.

Iris

I will only share as a reminder of what has already been posted on the SM Natalee Holloway forum.

Immediately following the visual dive of December 30, 2007 ... the dive when the Aruban divers claimed there was nothing case related in the trap ... the dive that troubled both Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller ... the dive that John Silvetti would not comply with Kyle's  request that samples be retrieved and brought back to the Persistence for examination ... Dave Holloway and Tim Miller pursued a false tip that took them to Nicaragua.  Logic dictates that Tim would have shared his concerns with Dave at this time.

Then the ROV images of the trap are forwarded to Dave Holloway by the FBI and ... his wife posts them on the internet.

Nevertheless ... in the spring of 2008 Dave Holloway puts John Silvetti in touch with the "Head of the Hotel Association"  in regards to raising funds to continue the search effort.

Then ... In November, 2008 Kyle Kingman's own word's are revealed ... words that imply that  the contents of the trap were afforded to the enemy unchallenged for self-beneficial reasons by John Silvetti.  I know that Dave Holloway was afforded a compilation of Kyle's words.

Nevertheless ... according to Debbie at BFN ... currently Dave Holloway is involved with John Silvetti and Tim Miller in an attempt to raise funds to underwrite another search in Aruban waters.

What is wrong with this picture?  Personally ... I cannot get passed the ROV images and Kyle Kingman's own words.

No quotes!  Did I hear a collective sigh of relief?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning Monkeys.

Janet
8:45 AM PT




Sorry, not trying to be a drive-by, I am not online during the day, only late at night when everyone else is sleeping.

I think that Dave and Tim will do "whatever is necessary" to move the case along.  Janet, you take everything to heart and think very emotionally.  These guys are in a totally different frame of mind; they are using whatever resources are available and probably rarely, if ever base their decisions on their emotions and/or how the feel about certain people.  How they feel about the players doesn't matter to them.  It's about the task at hand.  Why would they cut off valuable contacts in Aruba (hotel association) that they may need in the future?  You don't have to like or even respect people to do business with them. It may be hard to understand this perspective, but it is pervasive in the business world. You just do what you have to do to accomplish what needs to be accomplished.  You may never understand why Dave and Tim do what they do, because you don't think like them.  I do think like them, so I understand that they don't really give a **** about most of these people.  They are not looking for pals or church buddies, they are looking for information







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: iris44 on July 02, 2009, 03:42:53 AM
I've been tryin to stear clear of some of the drive-by's,as of late!Those who choose to do drive-by's need to stick around and have a converstaion in regards to their questions..JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::

I disagree Keepthefaith.

I consider it an opportunity to respectfully set the record straight from my perspective.

Janet

That wasn't intended for you Janet.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I meant that I do not mind responding to drivebys.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


I understand what both of you are saying.

I do know that I have responded a couple of times recently, once to answer a question and the second to ask a couple, and neither were acknowledged by the posters.  C'est la vie.

If it was me you responded to, I do appreciate it!  Sometimes I don't get a chance to read everything.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 04:05:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 09:45:42 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 10:07:44 AM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Came across this front page post, just wanted to share it here!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/25/investigation-to-take-place-in-aruba-for-corruption-and-misgovernment-go-figure-corrupt-or-safe-you-make-the-call/comment-page-1/#comment-1717045

Quote
15.Steve Holloway on June 25th, 2009 8:00 pm

I emailed State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten about two years ago concerning this case. Never heard back. Maybe God is working this out to an end.
We have waited along time for something to happen to the people that covered this up.

Justice comes when each one on them are reminded of there part in this and his or her guilt eats at them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 02, 2009, 10:08:08 AM
How many times are you going to touch the stove and get burnt.  There comes a time that you have to realize that what you are doing isn't working.  In this case the Aruba Hotel Association doesn't have the power to do anything regarding this case (ask Jorge Pasquera s/p).  The shots are being called by someone else and once that someone else is taken down that's when we will get answers.  Is it the Hotal Association that allows these searches?  Are they the ones the United States approached when they have political issues?  The answer is no.  The Hotel Association has an assignment and that is to distract people and take the bad publicity away from Aruba.

Bad business dealings always result in you getting squat and taking a loss.  How much money has Dave Holloway lost in his effort to find his daughter and having to deal with the Hotel Association.  They are sucking that man dry with all their fake kindness.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 10:23:30 AM
How many times are you going to touch the stove and get burnt.  There comes a time that you have to realize that what you are doing isn't working.  In this case the Aruba Hotel Association doesn't have the power to do anything regarding this case (ask Jorge Pasquera s/p).  The shots are being called by someone else and once that someone else is taken down that's when we will get answers.  Is it the Hotal Association that allows these searches?  Are they the ones the United States approached when they have political issues?  The answer is no.  The Hotel Association has an assignment and that is to distract people and take the bad publicity away from Aruba.

Bad business dealings always result in you getting squat and taking a loss.  How much money has Dave Holloway lost in his effort to find his daughter and having to deal with the Hotel Association.  They are sucking that man dry with all their fake kindness.

Bravo SAN - dead on! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 10:30:51 AM
How many times are you going to touch the stove and get burnt.  There comes a time that you have to realize that what you are doing isn't working.  In this case the Aruba Hotel Association doesn't have the power to do anything regarding this case (ask Jorge Pasquera s/p).  The shots are being called by someone else and once that someone else is taken down that's when we will get answers.  Is it the Hotal Association that allows these searches?  Are they the ones the United States approached when they have political issues?  The answer is no.  The Hotel Association has an assignment and that is to distract people and take the bad publicity away from Aruba.

Bad business dealings always result in you getting squat and taking a loss.  How much money has Dave Holloway lost in his effort to find his daughter and having to deal with the Hotel Association.  They are sucking that man dry with all their fake kindness.

Bravo SAN - dead on! 

I agree!  BRAVO SAN!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 02, 2009, 10:47:19 AM
I don't think that "the" Satish Kalpoe's page.  Either somebody else with the same name or a fake somebody put up.

JMO

Quite possibly. I have no idea...

I was looking at his photos on his page and I must admit he looks a lot different if it is him. He has either hit the gym or has grown up a lot since 2005. He also has a real short haircut. If it is him he's doing a good job of changing his appearance...

Anyone have any photos of Satish over the last couple of years to compare?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 11:05:39 AM
How many times are you going to touch the stove and get burnt.  There comes a time that you have to realize that what you are doing isn't working.  In this case the Aruba Hotel Association doesn't have the power to do anything regarding this case (ask Jorge Pasquera s/p).  The shots are being called by someone else and once that someone else is taken down that's when we will get answers.  Is it the Hotal Association that allows these searches?  Are they the ones the United States approached when they have political issues?  The answer is no.  The Hotel Association has an assignment and that is to distract people and take the bad publicity away from Aruba.

Bad business dealings always result in you getting squat and taking a loss.  How much money has Dave Holloway lost in his effort to find his daughter and having to deal with the Hotel Association.  They are sucking that man dry with all their fake kindness.

Thanks San.

One month following Natalee Holloway's disappearance the Strategic Task Force was created.  In its mission statement the Task Force was forthright in it purpose ... to direct negative media associated with the case away from Aruba.

Monkeys get it.  Beth Holloway gets it.  Why does Dave and Robin Holloway not get it?

The hard question need to be asked.  Why has Dave and Robin Holloway since the summer of 2006 allowed themselves to be pawns in the hands of the enemy whose objective is not justice for Natalee but ... protection of the tourist economy of Aruba?

Robin and Dave Holloway were informed almost as soon as the Mark Purcell connection happened in the summer of 2006 that ... Purcell had an Aruban agenda and ... his prior  internet posts were evidence that justice for Natalee was not his objective.

Janet

+++++++++


MARK PURCELL

August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16


I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191


Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them
?

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag banshee of a mother.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:09 pm
We will be partying tonight at Kokoa Bar at the De Palm pier it will be there last night at that location so we are going to be giving them a big send off for there last night.  If Natalee shows up for the party I'll be sure to find the closest internet connection and let everyone know.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
Doesn’t surprise me any that Debbie would do that. The title of this thread is “Debbie’s Integrity” should read “Debbie’s total lack of Morals & Integrity”. She is the head cheerleader for all things Twitty / Holloway. Someone mentioned to me that Debbie was just being “used” by the family to move the family agenda forward, I called Bullshit, Debbie knows exactly what she is doing. This is a blatant attempt to smear Julia because the Twitholes fear her knowledge of what they did here in Aruba. Just like all others who where close to the family in the beginning, they now have put in play a planned focused effort to discredit Julia. This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag banshee of a mother.

Holladay PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:14 pm
I see we have a couple of f*** nuggets trying to make Julia look like the bad guy (gal) again.  Don’t you Kool-Aid drinking fucktards (damn I love that word) understand yet, I and I assume many on this board will believe what Julia has to say over anything Beth ever puts forward from her journal of lies and fabrication.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.  Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 11:21:44 AM

Sorry, not trying to be a drive-by, I am not online during the day, only late at night when everyone else is sleeping.

I think that Dave and Tim will do "whatever is necessary" to move the case along.  Janet, you take everything to heart and think very emotionally.  These guys are in a totally different frame of mind; they are using whatever resources are available and probably rarely, if ever base their decisions on their emotions and/or how the feel about certain people.  How they feel about the players doesn't matter to them.  It's about the task at hand.  Why would they cut off valuable contacts in Aruba (hotel association) that they may need in the future?  You don't have to like or even respect people to do business with them. It may be hard to understand this perspective, but it is pervasive in the business world. You just do what you have to do to accomplish what needs to be accomplished.  You may never understand why Dave and Tim do what they do, because you don't think like them.  I do think like them, so I understand that they don't really give a **** about most of these people.  They are not looking for pals or church buddies, they are looking for information


Iris

My positions on issues encompassing the Natalee Holloway case are not based on emotions ... on  feelings.  I work very hard at compiling backup to all my contentions.  I then asked the hard questions.

Considering Dave Holloway is Natalee's father ... I would give him a free pass regarding his three year relationship with the enemy if my foundation was emotional ... a three year relationship that has resulted in zilch and ... in my opinion ... has deterred the cause of justice for Natalee.
Edit:  Insert per Janet's request
Janet

++++++


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157/158:
  Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 11:23:41 AM
Mods

Please edit my last post:

the enemy if my foundation was emotional

Thank you.

Janet

Done.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 11:46:36 AM
Mods

Please edit my last post:

the enemy if my foundation was emotional

Thank you.

Janet

Done.  MB

MuffyBee beat me by a few.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 11:49:55 AM
Mods

Please edit my last post:

the enemy if my foundation was emotional

Thank you.

Janet

Done.  MB

MuffyBee beat me by a few.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Don't fight mods.  There is enough Tamikosmom's edits to go around.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you both.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 11:50:31 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


http://nostradamnus.blogspot.com/2009/02/aruba-90000-friends-you-havent-met-yet.html

Death-Media
The better quality of life is not represented by media.

2.26.2009

Aruba: 90,000 Friends You Haven't Met Yet
 
I'm sure some of my fellow subway riders out there will have seen these preposterous ads advocating for Aruba. I find it impossible to escape them.

They are all ever so carefully crafted with non-threatening islanders who describe their careers and some of the amazing experiences they have had on their island paradise.

Today as I dragged myself to work I noticed one with a woman talking about the many people she had seen "renew their vows" in Aruba over the years (she's a wedding planner)... Horrible, and patently false.

Luckily, with a little effort, I managed to obtain a few ads that will be appearing in the next round of the campaign. I have faithfully reproduced them below:


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T0IdAE5wZF4/Sacs_jn3zTI/AAAAAAAAApw/UMNtoybzDpU/s400/header_sub_top-09b.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_T0IdAE5wZF4/SacphZR1PqI/AAAAAAAAApg/8Br62maB7BY/s400/Satish+Kalpoe.jpg)

Satish
Musician

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I live to entertain, and Aruba is the perfect venue for my distinctive brand of Gamelan-Ska. I draw inspiration from all of the beautiful people who come to Aruba, particularly those looking for adventure, because, with Gamelan-Ska, life is always an adventure. You can find me on the weekends performing as an opener for touring acts at local hot-spot Carlos'n Charlie's. Hey, if you're lucky, maybe we can take a late night drive to look for sharks?

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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T0IdAE5wZF4/SacrTmOb5hI/AAAAAAAAApo/Gwy_YnmfjNQ/s400/Deepak+Kalpoe.jpg)

Deepak
Mixologist

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Everything in Aruba is so beautiful. Especially the ocean, the sun, the sky, and the people; and by people, I mean the guests, the visitors, Americans, Dutch, whoever--we love everyone in Aruba, especially you! My specialty is blending liqueurs and spirits, both literally and figuratively! Come see me at Carlos'n Charlie's where I tend bar most nights; think of me as your magic sandman, the one who will send you into the land of dreams with a sweet and original plethora of cocktails. Remember: in Aruba, we make dreams come true!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_T0IdAE5wZF4/SactdDaMKTI/AAAAAAAAAp4/Orc-NNHLpeE/s400/Joran.jpg)

Joran
Golf Pro/Romance Consultant

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My life in Aruba is charmed; charmed by my job instructing guests in golf, charmed by the pleasure I see in the faces of the happy couples lounging on the beach as I take my morning jog, and charmed most of all by you, beautiful blond woman I see by the bar at Carlos'n Charlie's, slowly letting a fourth jell-o shot slither down your slender gullet, yes you. My father has an amazing house inland we could go to; we have jell-o shots waiting in the fridge. And if you like, in the morning we can go out to the golf course and I could show you a new meaning of the term "sand-wedge." Only in Aruba: we're waiting for you!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 11:59:07 AM
The following is Mark Purcell's take on Dave Holloway's book two months prior to the connection ... ARUBA - The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway - Corruption in Paradise.

Janet

++++++++

MARK PURCELL

Refugees Unlimited (Unleashed?)

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 amAre the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 12:01:26 PM
::MonkeyLaugh::


 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh::   Great find, texasmom.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 12:08:49 PM
The following is Mark Purcell's take on Dave Holloway's book  ... ARUBA - The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway - Corruption in Paradise ... two months prior to the connection..

Janet

++++++++

MARK PURCELL

Refugees Unleashed

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?


I was too embarrassed to ask ... so I self-edited my boo boos.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 02, 2009, 12:26:18 PM
TM...Check mail! Please!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 12:27:54 PM
TM...Check mail! Please!  ::MonkeyWink::

done!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 12:42:51 PM
The following is Mark Purcell's take on Dave Holloway's book  ... ARUBA - The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway - Corruption in Paradise ... two months prior to the connection..

Janet

++++++++

MARK PURCELL

Refugees Unleashed

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?


I was too embarrassed to ask ... so I self-edited my boo boos.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Janet



Thanks 2NJ.

Without the buzz that is the outcome of a strong cuppa caffeinated Tim Horton's coffee ... it takes a while for the cobwebs to clear each morning.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
9:45 AM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 01:26:51 PM
THINK ABOUT IT!


ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

"Did you say to them these boys were going to be brought in within 10 days and re-interrogated?" Dr. Phil asks.

"Yes, I did," he (Steve Cohen) replies. "But I also knew that the prosecutor had a choice to make." He says the choice was whether or not to reveal new evidence right away, if waiting meant a better chance of getting a conviction later. ...

Steve explains, "Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we've got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case."  ...


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- ... Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
I don't think that "the" Satish Kalpoe's page.  Either somebody else with the same name or a fake somebody put up.

JMO

Quite possibly. I have no idea...

I was looking at his photos on his page and I must admit he looks a lot different if it is him. He has either hit the gym or has grown up a lot since 2005. He also has a real short haircut. If it is him he's doing a good job of changing his appearance...

Anyone have any photos of Satish over the last couple of years to compare?

I posted one from one of the clubs in July/Aug last year iirc...I'll have to look for it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 01:46:02 PM
I don't think that "the" Satish Kalpoe's page.  Either somebody else with the same name or a fake somebody put up.

JMO

Quite possibly. I have no idea...

I was looking at his photos on his page and I must admit he looks a lot different if it is him. He has either hit the gym or has grown up a lot since 2005. He also has a real short haircut. If it is him he's doing a good job of changing his appearance...

Anyone have any photos of Satish over the last couple of years to compare?

I posted one from one of the clubs in July/Aug last year iirc...I'll have to look for it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3128.msg403949#msg403949

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Mexican_Night___Senor_Frogs__97_.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 02:01:06 PM
AN UNHOLY ALLIANCE - A CONFLICT OF INTEREST

How much power does the ATA-AHATA possess as far as influence in the affairs of the Aruban Law Enforcement?  The line between the two Aruban ministries appear to be very blurred.

Janet

+++++++


ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- ... Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.


Dr. Phil show - January 29, 2005

Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=


Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

Steve explains, "Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we've got our hands on some forensic material  now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case."  ...

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=6&null=null


Aruba
US still drives business to Aruba after Holloway case closed
By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008


eTN caught up with Aruba’s minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?

Briesen: Among all challenges we’ve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us ‘hostage’ for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

http://www.eturbonews.com/865/us-still-drives-business-aruba-after-holloway-case-closed


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 02:07:19 PM
I don't think that "the" Satish Kalpoe's page.  Either somebody else with the same name or a fake somebody put up.

JMO

Quite possibly. I have no idea...

I was looking at his photos on his page and I must admit he looks a lot different if it is him. He has either hit the gym or has grown up a lot since 2005. He also has a real short haircut. If it is him he's doing a good job of changing his appearance...

Anyone have any photos of Satish over the last couple of years to compare?

Hi Patriot

My "Mr. Know It All" son ... 26 years old going on 10 when he is playing video games with his nephews ... at my request ... looked over all the facebook pages that were a topic of discussion last night.  It is his opinion ... the connection between them all in regards to friends implies all of them are legit.

Has any recent photos of Satish emerged?

Janet






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 02:10:13 PM
sorry for the double post. I never posted a pic before.

Ya done good Patriot.

!.  Patriot do you have a link for Satish Kalpoe's facebook?

2.  Are you able to screen print Dave Holloway's facebook page that has Satish Kalpoe and Michael Dompig listed as friends?

Thank you

Janet

Here's the link to Satish's page
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1811797&id=776168258#/profile.php?id=776168258


Here's Dompig's

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=83116&id=776168258#/profile.php?id=1581846995

Definately NOT a picture of Satish Kalpoe (or not the one we know about)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/NotSatish.jpg)

This is a photo of Michael Dompig

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/MDompig.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 02, 2009, 02:14:38 PM
TM posted a link above to some pics from about a year ago but I can view them at work for some reason.

If it is Satish on FB then I would of never recognized him in Public. But now I can. Watch you back buddy...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 02:25:21 PM
TM posted a link above to some pics from about a year ago but I can view them at work for some reason.

If it is Satish on FB then I would of never recognized him in Public. But now I can. Watch you back buddy...

Patriot - I've been following all of the photos posted of the Kalpoes and the photo on facebook IS NOT Satish Kalpoe.  I don't know it it's really Satish's account and he used someone elses photo or if it's a different Satish Kalpoe or it's a totally fake Facebook.  REMEMBER, it's very easy to set up a fake Facebook or Myspace account using someone elses name.  It can be done in minutes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 02:26:28 PM
Klaas

Do you have a recent photo saved of Satish Kalpoe that we can compare the facebook photo with?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
By the way, I know for a fact that some companies won't allow their employees to view anything from photobucket.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 02:27:27 PM
Klaas

Do you have a recent photo saved of Satish Kalpoe that we can compare the facebook photo with?

Thanks

Janet

I'll look for my most recent


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 02:29:44 PM
TM posted a link above to some pics from about a year ago but I can view them at work for some reason.

If it is Satish on FB then I would of never recognized him in Public. But now I can. Watch you back buddy...

Patriot - I've been following all of the photos posted of the Kalpoes and the photo on facebook IS NOT Satish Kalpoe.  I don't know it it's really Satish's account and he used someone elses photo or if it's a different Satish Kalpoe or it's a totally fake Facebook.  REMEMBER, it's very easy to set up a fake Facebook or Myspace account using someone elses name.  It can be done in minutes.

Klaas ... what would be purpose in regards to Satish Kalpoe.

Considering Dave Holloway lists Satish Kalpoe as a friend in his facebook ... it makes sense to me that Satish would list Dave as a friend.

My thinking could be all wrong.  Story of my life.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 02:30:26 PM
Klaas

Do you have a recent photo saved of Satish Kalpoe that we can compare the facebook photo with?

Thanks

Janet

I'll look for my most recent

Thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 02:38:57 PM
TM posted a link above to some pics from about a year ago but I can view them at work for some reason.

If it is Satish on FB then I would of never recognized him in Public. But now I can. Watch you back buddy...

Patriot - I've been following all of the photos posted of the Kalpoes and the photo on facebook IS NOT Satish Kalpoe.  I don't know it it's really Satish's account and he used someone elses photo or if it's a different Satish Kalpoe or it's a totally fake Facebook.  REMEMBER, it's very easy to set up a fake Facebook or Myspace account using someone elses name.  It can be done in minutes.

Klaas ... what would be purpose in regards to Satish Kalpoe.

Considering Dave Holloway lists Satish Kalpoe as a friend in his facebook ... it makes sense to me that Satish would list Dave as a friend.

My thinking could be all wrong.  Story of my life.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Janet,

The way Facebook works, one must Add someone as a friend, then the person being added must confirm or cancel the request.  Once confirmed, then they will appear as friends on each other's Facebook pages. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 02, 2009, 02:43:10 PM
TM posted a link above to some pics from about a year ago but I can view them at work for some reason.

If it is Satish on FB then I would of never recognized him in Public. But now I can. Watch you back buddy...

Patriot - I've been following all of the photos posted of the Kalpoes and the photo on facebook IS NOT Satish Kalpoe.  I don't know it it's really Satish's account and he used someone elses photo or if it's a different Satish Kalpoe or it's a totally fake Facebook.  REMEMBER, it's very easy to set up a fake Facebook or Myspace account using someone elses name.  It can be done in minutes.

Klaas, I totally understand how FB works, that's why I was skeptical in all my posts.

I just find it strange with all the links to the different friends and such that it all looks legit.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised either way... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 02:45:54 PM

Janet,

The way Facebook works, one must Add someone as a friend, then the person being added must confirm or cancel the request.  Once confirmed, then they will appear as friends on each other's Facebook pages. 

2JN

When what you have just posted is considered ... do you believe these facebooks are legit when the "friends" connections is regarded or ... does has my son got it all wrong?

Something I have learned from this dialogue is that I will never have a facebook account.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 02, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
Just an FYI, my Facebook profile picture is not of myself. A lot of people use celebrities or athletes etc...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
TM posted a link above to some pics from about a year ago but I can view them at work for some reason.

If it is Satish on FB then I would of never recognized him in Public. But now I can. Watch you back buddy...

Patriot - I've been following all of the photos posted of the Kalpoes and the photo on facebook IS NOT Satish Kalpoe.  I don't know it it's really Satish's account and he used someone elses photo or if it's a different Satish Kalpoe or it's a totally fake Facebook.  REMEMBER, it's very easy to set up a fake Facebook or Myspace account using someone elses name.  It can be done in minutes.

Klaas, I totally understand how FB works, that's why I was skeptical in all my posts.

I just find it strange with all the links to the different friends and such that it all looks legit.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised either way... ::MonkeyConfused::


I am not Klaas, but understand completely what you are saying.  If it's phony, then whoever started it has been busy adding/confirming friends.  As I mentioned yesterday, I would think that Dave would know by now if it was fake. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 02:51:18 PM
TM posted a link above to some pics from about a year ago but I can view them at work for some reason.

If it is Satish on FB then I would of never recognized him in Public. But now I can. Watch you back buddy...

Patriot - I've been following all of the photos posted of the Kalpoes and the photo on facebook IS NOT Satish Kalpoe.  I don't know it it's really Satish's account and he used someone else's photo or if it's a different Satish Kalpoe or it's a totally fake Facebook.  REMEMBER, it's very easy to set up a fake Facebook or Myspace account using someone else's name.  It can be done in minutes.

Klaas ... what would be purpose in regards to Satish Kalpoe.

Considering Dave Holloway lists Satish Kalpoe as a friend in his facebook ... it makes sense to me that Satish would list Dave as a friend.

My thinking could be all wrong.  Story of my life.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Possible Scenario:

1.  Some jerk pretends to be Satish and sets up a fake facebook account in Satish's name.
2.  The fake Satish finds Dave Holloway's account and requests being a friend
3.  Dave Holloway thinks it's the real Satish and figures "what can I lose" so accepts him as a friend and now they are friends with eachother on Myspace
4.  The fake Satish corresponds with Dave via facebook telling him stuff about Natalee and Joran and what he thinks happened to Natalee but it's all BS.  It's a fake Satish.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 02, 2009, 02:52:49 PM
So you believe it's the real Dave Holloway?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 02:53:31 PM
HONESTLY - after all the fake posters and craziness over the last 4+ years nothing would surprise me. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 02:53:44 PM
So you believe it's the real Dave Holloway?

Yes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 02:55:42 PM
So you believe it's the real Dave Holloway?

Yes

The only facebook that looks fishy to me is Satish's and that's only because that photo does not appear to be him to me. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 02, 2009, 03:01:06 PM
HONESTLY - after all the fake posters and craziness over the last 4+ years nothing would surprise me. 

My feelings exactly...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 03:02:57 PM
So you believe it's the real Dave Holloway?

Yes

The only facebook that looks fishy to me is Satish's and that's only because that photo does not appear to be him to me. 

I agree, and he's not in ANY of the pics that are there.  Some of them made me think it's probably someone from Holland.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 03:04:57 PM
SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE

When it consider that Dave and Robin' Holloway's good friends of almost three years ... Mark Purcell and Julia Renfro ... do not believe in the guilt of Joran, Deepak and Satish  ... could this explain the "friends" connections in regards to the respective facebook accounts.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

This is not what I hope ... the furthest from what I hope but ... there are so many questions that remain unanswered in regards to Dave and Robin Holloway's friendships with those who possess an Aruban agenda.

Janet

++++++


ROBIN HOLLOWAY

December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something.  As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...  

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


JULIA RENFRO

Seattle Times - June 9, 2007


Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


MARK PURCELL

Refugees Unleashed

Doc Holladay PostPosted:
Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:46 pm
If I were Natalee’s parent what would I do next?  Burn the playbook, or journal; it wasn’t accurate to begin with.  Not listen to the following people: Jossey, Jug, Rita, Nancy, Bo, Joe M., Greta, SM, BFN, Larry, Moe & Curly.  Beg forgiveness from the following people: the VDS family, the Kalpo family, the population of Aruba, the population of the Netherlands, the Aruba LE, the Dutch LE, the FBI, the CIA, the American public, Julia R. and every other person who helped in the beginning.  Pay back the following: every entity in Aruba that gave me a dime.  Donate every dime left in the slush fund to a worthy organization that has a real purpose of helping people.  Than crawl off and hide in the hollow of some dead tree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 03:22:55 PM
If there was a possibility that my daughter's remains could have been in that trap ... after reading Kyle Kingman's own words ... I definitely would not currently be collaborating with John Silvetti in regards to furthering the ocean search in Aruban waters.

Iris ... maybe you are right.  Tamikosmom is emotional.  When I consider that we will never know for certain if Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap ... I am so angry.

Janet

+++++


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 03:30:48 PM
BTW

Out of curiosity ... I asked hubby if he was a Victoria Secret fan.  His reply ... Who is Victoria Secret?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 03:46:54 PM
BTW

Out of curiosity ... I asked hubby if he was a Victoria Secret fan.  His reply ... Who is Victoria Secret?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

And you believed him?      ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 03:53:13 PM
BTW

Out of curiosity ... I asked hubby if he was a Victoria Secret fan.  His reply ... Who is Victoria Secret?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

And you believed him?      ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

100%

If Victoria Secret is not mentioned in his "fix it" manuals or ... on the Discovery/History  Channel or ... in the news ... it is not a part of his world.

Cindy Crawford is my only worry with this guy.  He warned me years ago ... if Cindy gave him "the look" ... he was gone.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on July 02, 2009, 04:03:57 PM
Happy Almost Friday Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday.

I'm going on vacation, and it is NOT to Aruba!  ::MonkeyWink::

If I can figure out how to post a pic when I get back, I'll show you what a real vacation beach looks like.  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 04:05:07 PM
Happy Almost Friday Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday.

I'm going on vacation, and it is NOT to Aruba!  ::MonkeyWink::

If I can figure out how to post a pic when I get back, I'll show you what a real vacation beach looks like.  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

Good for you jen!  Hope you have a GREAT trip!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 02, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
After thinking about this Facebook thing, who am I to judge who Dave is friends with on FB. I can't even imagine what this man has been through and if he feels like being friends with SK or Dompig might bring him some answers than so be it.

If this was me and one of my daughters was gone, I'd prob do the same thing.

As a father myself, I feel so bad for Dave...

Edit/typo  per Patriot. MB


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on July 02, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Happy Almost Friday Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday.

I'm going on vacation, and it is NOT to Aruba!  ::MonkeyWink::

If I can figure out how to post a pic when I get back, I'll show you what a real vacation beach looks like.  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

Have a Wonderful Vacation, Jen     ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 02, 2009, 04:15:59 PM
After thinking about this Facebook thing, who am I to judge who Dave is friends with on FB. I can't even imagine what this man has been through and if he feels like being friends with SK or Dompig might bring him some answers than so be it.

If this was me and one of my daughters was gone, I'd prob do the same thing.

As a father myself, I feel so bad for Dave...

DK was supposed to be SK...
 Edit/Fixed.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 04:19:22 PM
Happy July 4th Weekend to all American Monkeys!!

GOD BLESS AMERICAN




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on July 02, 2009, 07:28:12 PM
Myspace  Satish:

http://www.myspace.com/satkal


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on July 02, 2009, 07:32:42 PM
Klaas
If you still have a subscription....a few new filings:



Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

08/13/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION - ATTORNEY FEES



06/26/2009 Ntc to Atty re Notice of Appeal
Filed by Clerk

06/25/2009 Notice of Appeal
Filed by Plaintiff

06/18/2009 Motion (FOR ATTORNEYS' FEES
; ETC. SET: 8-13-09)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

06/03/2009 Order
(order on defendant Kay Skeeters' special motion to strike )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 08:58:27 PM
I'll check Buckeye

O/T

TUNE IN NOW!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer070209.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
This could be VERY interresting.  Give me a few minutes.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 09:15:21 PM
Filed by Kay Skeeters - MOTION FOR ATTORNEY FEES  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Here is page 2 of the 183 page document to give you an idea:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SkeeterFees2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 09:19:49 PM
The other 2 docs are just the Appeal by the Kalpoes and the the Notice to Kay Skeeters that the Kalpoes had appealed.  The 183 doc the first 3 pages are the Motion and the rest is the backup detail proof of charges incurred by the Skeeters estate.

So...when it's all said and done, I wonder how much the Dr. Phil/CBS people will ask the Kalpoes to reimburse them for?   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 09:21:49 PM
So.....

Not only are the Kalpoes (and whoever else bet on them) NOT rolling in dough, they are now being hit with a $127,076.16 bill.  They likely won't earn that much money legally in their lifetime.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on July 02, 2009, 09:47:06 PM
Oh, Poor Babies. They thought they hit Pay Dirt with a Cash Cow.

They'd better start working their arses off now so they'll have the debt paid by the end of their lifetime.

I LOVE this ruling and I do not think they stand a snowballs chance in Hell on appeal either.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 09:49:53 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10106/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07022009_24ora_TouristDrowns.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

tourist is hoga (drowned) at height of RIU resort

thursday, 02 july 2009 - 16:26

one tourist cu is of visit at aruba owing to leave for one instant for disfruta of his vakantie. the ladicidi of bay dive. at instant cu the person here tawata dive past owing to confronta problem in sea y owing to cuminsa struggle for his life. the instructor cu experencia owing to try of juda the person here even cu cpr but this not owing to juda. imediatamente owing to place the person upstairs the boat for hibe canto for so the ricibi tratamento medico profesional. at jegada personal of ambulance not can owing to make nothing more for her person. we of 24ora.com wanted owing to extende one word of deep condolencia y compel for her family cu is at vakantie at aruba. click read more for more photograph. come across

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/0702200924ora_TouristDrowns.jpg)

Poor guy!  No telling how long he laid there!

WHY did they bring him and lay him out here to be picked up instead of calling the authorities/ambulance from the boat?  Another dive party appointment? 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 09:51:52 PM
Geez TM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 09:52:59 PM
So.....

Not only are the Kalpoes (and whoever else bet on them) NOT rolling in dough, they are now being hit with a $127,076.16 bill.  They likely won't earn that much money legally in their lifetime.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

GREAT NEWS, Thank you Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 09:56:37 PM
Geez TM

Is it too morbid for here?  If so, just remove it;  I was just SHOCKED!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 09:57:41 PM
Geez TM

Is it too morbid for here?  If so, just remove it;  I was just SHOCKED!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

No, I'm just surprised they let the person lay out there.  Guess it would be worse if he wasn't covered.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
Oh, Poor Babies. They thought they hit Pay Dirt with a Cash Cow.

They'd better start working their arses off now so they'll have the debt paid by the end of their lifetime.

I LOVE this ruling and I do not think they stand a snowballs chance in Hell on appeal either.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too Artcolley!  In case you couldn't tell!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 10:00:43 PM
Geez TM

Is it too morbid for here?  If so, just remove it;  I was just SHOCKED!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

No, I'm just surprised they let the person lay out there.  Guess it would be worse if he wasn't covered.

I know!  And how did they get him there?  Probably two of them (at least) carrying him and he probably wasn't covered!  No respect, it's just sickening!  Well at least I guess there's not a doubt about what dive company it was since they laid him right under their sign!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 02, 2009, 10:01:43 PM
I wonder if Val is the official photographer (or video whatever) for the
Tattoo now?
Sorry, don't know how to embed a video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Vtijn



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on July 02, 2009, 10:05:39 PM
Oh, Poor Babies. They thought they hit Pay Dirt with a Cash Cow.

They'd better start working their arses off now so they'll have the debt paid by the end of their lifetime.

I LOVE this ruling and I do not think they stand a snowballs chance in Hell on appeal either.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too Artcolley!  In case you couldn't tell!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 02, 2009, 10:07:05 PM
Oh, Poor Babies. They thought they hit Pay Dirt with a Cash Cow.

They'd better start working their arses off now so they'll have the debt paid by the end of their lifetime.

I LOVE this ruling and I do not think they stand a snowballs chance in Hell on appeal either.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too Artcolley!  In case you couldn't tell!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Me too!  Best news I've heard in a while. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
I wonder if Val is the official photographer (or video whatever) for the
Tattoo now?
Sorry, don't know how to embed a video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Vtijn



Thanks, I saved the link.  I doubt he's the official anything but considering it's Aruba who knows. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on July 02, 2009, 10:11:12 PM
Oh, Poor Babies. They thought they hit Pay Dirt with a Cash Cow.

They'd better start working their arses off now so they'll have the debt paid by the end of their lifetime.

I LOVE this ruling and I do not think they stand a snowballs chance in Hell on appeal either.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too Artcolley!  In case you couldn't tell!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Me too!  Best news I've heard in a while. ::MonkeyDevil::

It's always refreshing to see the "Good Guys" win one, isn't it?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 02, 2009, 10:12:38 PM
The other 2 docs are just the Appeal by the Kalpoes and the the Notice to Kay Skeeters that the Kalpoes had appealed.  The 183 doc the first 3 pages are the Motion and the rest is the backup detail proof of charges incurred by the Skeeters estate.

So...when it's all said and done, I wonder how much the Dr. Phil/CBS people will ask the Kalpoes to reimburse them for?   ::MonkeyDevil::
Thank You Klaas!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 02, 2009, 10:13:51 PM
Oh, Poor Babies. They thought they hit Pay Dirt with a Cash Cow.

They'd better start working their arses off now so they'll have the debt paid by the end of their lifetime.

I LOVE this ruling and I do not think they stand a snowballs chance in Hell on appeal either.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too Artcolley!  In case you couldn't tell!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Me too!  Best news I've heard in a while. ::MonkeyDevil::

It's always refreshing to see the "Good Guys" win one, isn't it?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::
You Bet Ya!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 02, 2009, 10:14:15 PM
Did the court award damages -- or is this just the "motion" before the judge?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 02, 2009, 10:18:04 PM
Oh, Poor Babies. They thought they hit Pay Dirt with a Cash Cow.

They'd better start working their arses off now so they'll have the debt paid by the end of their lifetime.

I LOVE this ruling and I do not think they stand a snowballs chance in Hell on appeal either.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too Artcolley!  In case you couldn't tell!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Me too!  Best news I've heard in a while. ::MonkeyDevil::

It's always refreshing to see the "Good Guys" win one, isn't it?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

It is Artcolley!  I really hope that the Kalpoes never get a dime from anybody.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 10:20:01 PM
I wonder if Val is the official photographer (or video whatever) for the
Tattoo now?
Sorry, don't know how to embed a video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Vtijn



Great find SuzieQ!  His best friend Maki's dad owns the Tattoo, so it was probably just for fun but who knows!

Here's another one from the same link:

http://www.youtube.com/v/wunXNZELLOI&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 10:22:41 PM
Oh, Poor Babies. They thought they hit Pay Dirt with a Cash Cow.

They'd better start working their arses off now so they'll have the debt paid by the end of their lifetime.

I LOVE this ruling and I do not think they stand a snowballs chance in Hell on appeal either.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too Artcolley!  In case you couldn't tell!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Me too!  Best news I've heard in a while. ::MonkeyDevil::

It's always refreshing to see the "Good Guys" win one, isn't it?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

It is Artcolley!  I really hope that the Kalpoes never get a dime from anybody.

Me too Magnolia! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 10:24:20 PM
Did the court award damages -- or is this just the "motion" before the judge?

JUST THE MOTION, but WE LIKE IT!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on July 02, 2009, 10:26:22 PM
Did the court award damages -- or is this just the "motion" before the judge?

Hi Wreck
Quite frankly, I am not sure. It seems this is a motion for damages. However, it also seems the Court dismissed Kalpoes charges and gives the defendent the right to recover damages. This looks to me to be a motion to recover damages, which they are entitled to.
I am not sure. I am not well versed in 'Legalese"
Maybe Klaas knows


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on July 02, 2009, 10:27:57 PM
Did the court award damages -- or is this just the "motion" before the judge?

JUST THE MOTION, but WE LIKE IT!

Thanks, Klaas    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 02, 2009, 10:31:56 PM
I wonder if Val is the official photographer (or video whatever) for the
Tattoo now?
Sorry, don't know how to embed a video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Vtijn



Thanks, I saved the link.  I doubt he's the official anything but considering it's Aruba who knows. 
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I doubt he is official either, but maybe Daddy got him a job. Someone has to pay for college in the US.  Thanks for the court documents, I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when Depack's lawyer go the documents


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2009, 10:43:21 PM
Looks like a tourist was hurt at Morgan's Island, ambulance responded.  The press wasn't allowed in to photograph the scene, and also mentioned that the police were not there for an investigation.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1198&offId=10&offDate=2009-07

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07022009_awe24_TouristHurtMorganIsl.jpg)


fecha: 02/07/2009 | horario: 20:21

tourist owing to cay at morgan island y was have have to of ambulance, lamentable is cu gerencia not owing to permiti prensa for happen y saca photograph of the susedido the pagina here is contene material grafico y strong y do not apto for younger of edad or esnan sensibeldiahuebs morning owing to enter informe cu one tourist will owing to cay at morgan island y tsa injury, at once owing to dirigi one ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the ambulance owing to enter in the cura y so busca the victims, we fotografo also owing to bay at the sitio but gerencia not owing to permiti for prensa happen y bay saca photograph at the lugar y have to owing to bandona the sitio. is pesey self we not can give more informacion. esey is one regulation cu we is respeta, y owing to achieve we self obliga of bandona the sitio y so have to owing to saca photograph stop pafo y usando one telelens. have to menciona cu police not owing to bay at the sitio for haci investigacion niether. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 02, 2009, 11:06:21 PM
Did the court award damages -- or is this just the "motion" before the judge?

JUST THE MOTION, but WE LIKE IT!

I have been thinking about this motion since I read it....thoughts were a hope that the Kalpoe gravy train is halted.   Wreck's train wreck was also in mind.      ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
Filed by Kay Skeeters - MOTION FOR ATTORNEY FEES  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Here is page 2 of the 183 page document to give you an idea:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SkeeterFees2.jpg)

 ::cartwheel::

Thanks Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 02, 2009, 11:14:08 PM
Did the court award damages -- or is this just the "motion" before the judge?

JUST THE MOTION, but WE LIKE IT!

I have been thinking about this motion since I read it....thoughts were a hope that the Kalpoe gravy train is halted.   Wreck's train wreck was also in mind.      ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 02, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
The other 2 docs are just the Appeal by the Kalpoes and the the Notice to Kay Skeeters that the Kalpoes had appealed.  The 183 doc the first 3 pages are the Motion and the rest is the backup detail proof of charges incurred by the Skeeters estate.

So...when it's all said and done, I wonder how much the Dr. Phil/CBS people will ask the Kalpoes to reimburse them for?   ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyDance::

This is certainly good news for Jamie Skeeters' widow.  So now will those who encouraged/bet on the Kalpoes chip in to pay this amount?  If not, that should tell the Kalpoes all they need to know about how much faith they truly have in their little lawsuit attempt. ::MonkeyDance::


Maybe they just don't understand our system.


 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 11:55:01 PM
Anna - great to see you!

Stand by...I just uploaded a video into youtube you guys will like!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 02, 2009, 11:58:30 PM
Thanks and standing by!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bet those Kalpoes are really singing the blues about this!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 11:59:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/NiU43R3LMXg&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 03, 2009, 12:05:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/NiU43R3LMXg&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca

Great video Klaas.  Once again another masterpiece.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 12:05:32 AM


Loved it Klaas, GREAT WORK!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 03, 2009, 12:08:52 AM
I feel this is an omen of things to come.  I really can't wait to see the motion (at the end of all this) that the Dr. Phil people file  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 03, 2009, 12:10:15 AM
Oh, that is just priceless, Klaas.  And I do hope all the Kalpoe fans see it!  I do think this ruling is kist a sample of things to come for these two and those who backed t hem in this very lame attempt.

I have to wonder if they really thought no one would notice the Aruban version was so different from the one Skeeters and Dr Phil presented.  Deepak doesn't even use the same words!  Sloppy attempt and I don't think it fooled anybody.  Probably not even Nadira.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on July 03, 2009, 12:12:03 AM
Thanks Klaas.

I wouldn't be surprised if there hasn't been a little research into who has backed the Kalpoes.  I believe the question was asked in the interrogatories. The "behind the scenes", "Task Force" may have a bit of liability...under US law..... :smt102....ah..."the not ready for prime time", island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 03, 2009, 12:15:07 AM
Thanks Klaas.

I wouldn't be surprised if there hasn't been a little research into who has backed the Kalpoes.  I believe the question was asked in the interrogatories. The "behind the scenes", "Task Force" may have a bit of liability...under US law..... :smt102....ah..."the not ready for prime time", island.

Buckeye - I think that question was asked.  I really can't wait for it to go to trial  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 03, 2009, 12:16:56 AM
Yes, I'd just bet Dr. Phil's legal team will know where to go to recover any fees they might happen to be awarded.  And the longer the Kalpoes drag this out, the more fees the Defendants will be awarded in the event the judge rules the same on that as well.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 12:26:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/NiU43R3LMXg&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca

Thanks Klaas.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 03, 2009, 12:28:31 AM
By the way, the 183 page motion is mostly the backup of the detail of the fees.  Pretty dry stuff and alot of it.  Plus alot of the pages are blacked out due to personal information.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 03, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
Dr. Phil's team will likely have THOUSANDS of pages of back up for their expenses!  I wonder if that is going to cause the K2 a few sleepless nights.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 12:37:08 AM
Dr. Phil's team will likely have THOUSANDS of pages of back up for their expenses!  I wonder if that is going to cause the K2 a few sleepless nights.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope so!   ::MonkeyDance::

Good to see you Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 03, 2009, 12:37:38 AM
Dr. Phil's team will likely have THOUSANDS of pages of back up for their expenses!  I wonder if that is going to cause the K2 a few sleepless nights.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

You have to wonder how many people are thinking to themselves right now "oh sh**"

I believe there are alot of people that have been banking on the Kalpoes winning big bucks and didn't expect it could go the other way  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 03, 2009, 12:42:38 AM
Myspace  Satish:

http://www.myspace.com/satkal
It looks like on Jun 3 Satish's mood was CALM....I wonder what it is now....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 03, 2009, 12:47:33 AM
I remember Arlene telling us that under their system, even the Defendant or suspect had rights.  Guess it never occurred to them that under ours, they do as well.  When there was no offer of out of court settlement, we knew the Kalpoes had a problem. 

I can't wait to hear the explanation for the change of words on the Aruban version.  Among other things.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 03, 2009, 12:51:32 AM
Hi, TxMom,

I have been reading your posts about all the awful things happening to the tourists in Aruba.  You'd think they would try to keep the ones they still have safe.  And I agree, it is still shocking to see the lack of respect for the dead they have.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on July 03, 2009, 01:06:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/NiU43R3LMXg&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca

Excellent!  You are so talented    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 03, 2009, 01:08:40 AM
It's nice to end the day with some positive news for a change.

'Nite Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 01:12:22 AM
It's nice to end the day with some positive news for a change.

'Nite Monkeys!

Yes, it is!

Good night Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on July 03, 2009, 01:15:42 AM
It's nice to end the day with some positive news for a change.

'Nite Monkeys!

Nite Anna, and it was so nice to see you! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 01:33:19 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10101/29/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/july/july2/BOOSHIVSRUDY.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

corte owing to sentencia minister booshi wever

thursday, 02 july 2009 - 11:21

by year 2007 end owing to sosode one bez cu minister of salubridad publico, drs. booshi wever owing to calling leader of fraccion of red in parliament, esta dr. rudy lampe because; one pedofiel. claro cu one acusacion earnest so not owing to cay in good ground serca the politico cu owing to cuminsa evalua for start one proceso legal contra the mandatario. the situation owing to become more earnest hour cu during one pleno debate in parliament again owing to cataloge because; one semehante person. esey owing to place cu dr. rudy lampe of red owing to busca advocate mr. ronnie wix for entama one caso civil in corte contra minister booshi wever. awemainta corte owing to dicta sentencia in cual owing to dicidi cu minister booshi wever have till cu diabierna for rectifica in daily paper, good morning aruba y amigoe of aruba in the first 3 paginanan, saying cu at none instant dr. rudy lampe is one pedofiel y cu ela tell this without proof y cu the is conciente cu the declaracionnan cue la haci is atacha the good name of the ex-pastoor. in caso cu minister wever not accomplish cu the sentencia, dr. rudy lampe will can cobre 5 thousand guilder for cada day cu the not accomplish, till at one maximo of 100 thousand guilder at damage y perhuicio. click read more for read the decision exact of huez. come across

Google translation of the actual judgement:

The Pronunciation:

The judge in this court hereby interlocutory proceedings:
5.1 Condemns Wever to comply Saturday, 4 July, 2009 on one of the first three pages of the Diario and vand Bon Dia (Aruba), publish in a newspaper this usual layout, font and font size the following text as a whole:
Ami, Candelario "Booshi" Wever ta desea di anuncia lo sigiente:
Mi a Yama Sr. Armando "Rudy" Lampe repetidamente I publicamente pa pedophile. E acusacion aki ta sin base, consecuentemente y mi ta rectifica e acusacion and Cuestión;

5.2 Condemns Wever to comply Saturday, 4 July, 2009 on one of the first three pages of the Amigoe to publish in a newspaper this usual layout, font and font size the following text as a whole:
I, Candelario "Booshi" Wever wish to disclose the following:
I Armando "Rudy" Lampe repeatedly publicly held for pedophile. This allegation has no factual basis, which means I charge it in dwestie rectified;

5.3 does an Afl swangsom of 5000, which will be forfeited per day or part of a day that defendant could continue in the absence of implementing this decision, with a maximum of Alf. 100.000 .-;

5.4 Wever condemned in the costs of this case, the side of Lampe estimated at Afl. 1500, - to authorized salary Afl 450, - to court and Afl. 223, - to disbursements;

5.5 explains this award enforceable stock;

5.6 points from the more advanced or otherwise.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on July 03, 2009, 01:44:26 AM
Hello monkeys,

No quiz tonight, Klaas.  Great news on the motion, and fabulous work on the YouTube Klaas.

http://www.youtube.com/v/NiU43R3LMXg&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 02:09:01 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 03, 2009, 08:54:21 AM
Good Morning, All!

I was wondering overnight what the Court would do if the Kalpoes didn't pay this in a timely manner.  They can't say they don't have the money while continuing, supposedly, to pay their own attorneys.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 03, 2009, 09:02:45 AM
Good Morning, All!

I was wondering overnight what the Court would do if the Kalpoes didn't pay this in a timely manner.  They can't say they don't have the money while continuing, supposedly, to pay their own attorneys.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Good morning, Anna....good to see you and hope all is well.

If this motion is found to be in Kay's favor, my guess would be that they might be expected to pay in full.  That guess is only based upon my limited knowledge.   Hopefully, someone else will have more info.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 03, 2009, 09:29:43 AM
Filed by Kay Skeeters - MOTION FOR ATTORNEY FEES  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Here is page 2 of the 183 page document to give you an idea:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SkeeterFees2.jpg)


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 03, 2009, 09:35:50 AM
Good Morning, All!

I was wondering overnight what the Court would do if the Kalpoes didn't pay this in a timely manner.  They can't say they don't have the money while continuing, supposedly, to pay their own attorneys.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

I think that either the Kalpoes will be defiant and not pay this money and basically say FU to our judicial system because they don't have to listen to our laws or the amount will be paid in full by the person who has been fronting them money all along.  The money they owe right now is a drop in the bucket to an island who is so well connected with Mafia and their drug infestation.  The Kalpoes and their best friend Freddy should be able to sell about five Kilos of Cocaine and that should do the trick.

One kilogram of cocaine in Miami costs between $18,000 - $28,500

http://www.narcoticnews.com/Cocaine/Prices/USA/Cocaine_Prices_USA.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 03, 2009, 09:38:13 AM
Dr. Phil's team will likely have THOUSANDS of pages of back up for their expenses!  I wonder if that is going to cause the K2 a few sleepless nights.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

You have to wonder how many people are thinking to themselves right now "oh sh**"

I believe there are alot of people that have been banking on the Kalpoes winning big bucks and didn't expect it could go the other way  ::MonkeyHaHa::

They just don't understand our "Legal" system do they?   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 03, 2009, 10:06:54 AM
Would this not boost Dr. Phil's case more with Jamie S. not being held liable for damages to the Kalpoes?  Doesn't look good for the Kalpoes and whoever is backing them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 03, 2009, 10:09:21 AM
Would this not boost Dr. Phil's case more with Jamie S. not being held liable for damages to the Kalpoes?  Doesn't look good for the Kalpoes and whoever is backing them.

I absolutely agree with that.  If this case goes to court the Kalpoes are toast and I think their lawyers know it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 03, 2009, 10:19:40 AM
Would this not boost Dr. Phil's case more with Jamie S. not being held liable for damages to the Kalpoes?  Doesn't look good for the Kalpoes and whoever is backing them.

I absolutely agree with that.  If this case goes to court the Kalpoes are toast and I think their lawyers know it.

When is the trial set for?  Is it May of next year?  Can't wait.  These suckers need to be put up there for the world to see.  Aruba will be exposed for the corrupt culture they are.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 03, 2009, 10:22:06 AM
Off to work out in the flower beds today.  It is a beautiful day in Kentucky.  Temps and humidity is idea for gardening.  Am going to take a trip to the local Mennonites and buy some corn, green beans, new potatoes, tomatoes, squash, onions for a big 4th of July feast.  Have a good one Monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 03, 2009, 10:24:38 AM
Off to work out in the flower beds today.  It is a beautiful day in Kentucky.  Temps and humidity is idea for gardening.  Am going to take a trip to the local Mennonites and buy some corn, green beans, new potatoes, tomatoes, squash, onions for a big 4th of July feast.   Have a good one Monkeys.

That sounds great.  You have a great 4th also Blue Moon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 10:59:19 AM
Could it be that identity of the "powers that be" in Aruba who are backing this lawsuit behind the scenes will forever remain elusive?

Could it be that the "powers that be " in Aruba who are backing this lawsuit behind the scenes are paying the Kalpoe attorney fees and any related costs "off the books"?

Could it be that the Kalpoe attorneys will claim they are working "pro bono" and will only receive a fee when the brothers are awarded an anticipated settlement?

Could it be that the Kalpoe present financial standing would imply that any counter action against them would be for naught?

Could it be ....

Good Morning Monkeys!
Edit/fix typo.  MB

Janet
8:00 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 12:14:13 PM
Off to work out in the flower beds today.  It is a beautiful day in Kentucky.  Temps and humidity is idea for gardening.  Am going to take a trip to the local Mennonites and buy some corn, green beans, new potatoes, tomatoes, squash, onions for a big 4th of July feast.  Have a good one Monkeys.


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Yummy!  Lots of fresh veggies!  I love boiled new potatoes cut in half with "real" butter and salt.  Then there is nothing like a sliced fresh tomatoe sprinkled with salt.

We missed out on a family gathering in Vancouver for Canada's July 1st celebrations as hubby had a rotten cold.  However tomorrow ... if the lineups at the border are not too long ... we will be joining son's Dutch American inlaws for a July 4th celebration.  I think a bbq is where it is at.

Have fun Blue Moon.  Have fun Monkeys.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 12:52:08 PM
Off to work out in the flower beds today.  It is a beautiful day in Kentucky.  Temps and humidity is idea for gardening.  Am going to take a trip to the local Mennonites and buy some corn, green beans, new potatoes, tomatoes, squash, onions for a big 4th of July feast.  Have a good one Monkeys.

Hi Blue Moon!  The temps here today can only be enjoyed from a swimming pool, or from inside in the air conditioning looking out the window! The fresh veggies sound wonderful, makes me hungry just thinking about it!  With all the talk about the Aruban gangsters, and then the mention of the Amish I couldn't help but think of this song!  One of my Weird Al favorites!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrowbOGZJwg

Have a great 4th everyone!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 04:00:26 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10106/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07022009_24ora_TouristDrowns.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

tourist is hoga (drowned) at height of RIU resort

thursday, 02 july 2009 - 16:26

one tourist cu is of visit at aruba owing to leave for one instant for disfruta of his vakantie. the ladicidi of bay dive. at instant cu the person here tawata dive past owing to confronta problem in sea y owing to cuminsa struggle for his life. the instructor cu experencia owing to try of juda the person here even cu cpr but this not owing to juda. imediatamente owing to place the person upstairs the boat for hibe canto for so the ricibi tratamento medico profesional. at jegada personal of ambulance not can owing to make nothing more for her person. we of 24ora.com wanted owing to extende one word of deep condolencia y compel for her family cu is at vakantie at aruba. click read more for more photograph. come across

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/0702200924ora_TouristDrowns.jpg)

Poor guy!  No telling how long he laid there!

WHY did they bring him and lay him out here to be picked up instead of calling the authorities/ambulance from the boat?  Another dive party appointment? 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news1.html

From Today's Diario

Original Text:

Caso tragico banda di Pedernales...

TURISTA A HAYA ATAKE DI CURAZON ORA DI SAMBUYA



ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un caso tragico a keda registra Diahuebs atardi algo prome cu 3:45’or, riba laman pabao di Aruba.

   E turista Michael Freer, ta di bishita na Aruba, y a bay practica deporte di Buceo, cu un team na e area cu piscadornan conoce como “Pedernales”.



   Tur cos a bay bon.  Despues di a check presion di tankinan di gas, y tambe tur demas equipo, a baha bay check e maraviya sub marino di Laman Caribe.

   Pero algo a bay malo, y diripiente Michael a cuminza haci señal cu e ta den problema.  Mesora esnan banda di dje a compronde cu e ta den problema serio, y el a worde hisa back den boto.

   Aki a bin ripara cu e no ta duna ningun reaccion mas, y cu posiblemente su curazon a stop di bati.

   Un di esnan abordo di e Dive Boat, cu sa di First Aid, mesora a cuminza practica CPR riba dje, y na mesun momento a lanta anker, y cuminza mobiliza back pa De Palm Pier, cu ta keda net mey-mey di Riu Palace Aruba Hotel y Westin Aruba Resort & Spa.

   Via di celular ya caba a cuminza pidi auxilio, den forma di Ambulans.   Ora cu a yega na De Palm Pier, mesora paramedi conan a tuma over y a cuminza sigui traha cune, check su señalnan vita, pero ya no por a haci nada mas.

   Banda di 4:35 p.m., Docter Yagua-Fingal a presenta, y a constata morto di Michael Freer, un Mericano di 58 aña di edad, kende ta hospedando cu su famia na La Cabana All Suite Beach Resort. Tin indicacion cu el a haya atake di curazon.  Condolencia na e famianan.



Papiamentu translation:

caso tragico near of pedernales... tourist owing to achieve atake of curazon hour of diving oranjestad (aan): one caso tragico owing to stay registra diahuebs nightfall algo first cu 3:45’or, on sea pabao of aruba. the tourist michael freer, is of visit at aruba, y owing to bay practica sport of buceo, cu one team at the area cu piscadornan conoce because; “pedernales”. all cos owing to bay good. after of owing to check presion of tankinan of gas, y also all other equipo, owing to descend bay check the maraviya sub marino of sea caribe. but algo owing to bay bad, y diripiente michael owing to cuminza haci sign cu the is in problem. at once esnan near of dje owing to compronde cu the is in problem earnest, y past owing to worde hoist back in boat. here owing to come ripara cu the do not give none reaccion more, y cu posiblemente his curazon owing to stop of beat. one of esnan abordo of the dive boat, cu know of first aid, at once owing to cuminza practica cpr on dje, y at same instant owing to arise anchor, y cuminza mobiliza back for de palm pier, cu is stay just mey-mey of river palace aruba hotel y westin aruba resort & spa. via of celular already end owing to cuminza ask help, in form of ambulance. hour cu owing to arrive at de palm pier, at once paramedi conan did take over y owing to cuminza follow work cune, check his señalnan vita, but already not can owing to haci nothing more. near of 4:35 therefore.m., docter yagua-fingal owing to present, y owing to constata dead of michael freer, one mericano of 58 year of edad, that is hospedando cu his family at la cabana all suite beach resort. have indicacion cu past owing to achieve atake of curazon. condolencia at the famianan. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 03, 2009, 06:16:23 PM
Off to work out in the flower beds today.  It is a beautiful day in Kentucky.  Temps and humidity is idea for gardening.  Am going to take a trip to the local Mennonites and buy some corn, green beans, new potatoes, tomatoes, squash, onions for a big 4th of July feast.  Have a good one Monkeys.

Hi Blue Moon!  The temps here today can only be enjoyed from a swimming pool, or from inside in the air conditioning looking out the window! The fresh veggies sound wonderful, makes me hungry just thinking about it!  With all the talk about the Aruban gangsters, and then the mention of the Amish I couldn't help but think of this song!  One of my Weird Al favorites!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrowbOGZJwg

Have a great 4th everyone!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

That's funny TM.  Got my green beans, squash (for casserole), tomatoes, peaches & cream corn (grilled corn on the cob), seedless watermelon, new potatoes.  I am ready for the 4th of July.


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Post by: MuffyBee on July 03, 2009, 06:24:55 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 07:42:44 PM
(http://bestsmileys.com/eating1/13.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I know, I wanna go to Blue Moon's for the 4th!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 09:31:48 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59033.php

Google translation:

Aruba not accept establishment Court

3 Jul, 2009, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

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DEN HAAG - Entirely contrary to expectations, there is still no agreement on the establishment of a Common Court of Justice in Willemstad. This proxy Frido Minister Croes of Aruba during the State Ministers informed.
 
By our correspondent
Christel of Bebber
 
Croes was not present at the last part of the Government Ministers. Although he had said not to come, at least highly unusual for the meeting is not until the end to attend.

Aruba would be the seat of the Court to move Willemstad Oranjestad. This proved a major stumbling block to the Ministers of Justice of Aruba and Curaçao last week stated that there was. It would remain on the island.

The Empire has Croes Ministers today said that the decisions of the Minister wrongly interpreted. This confirms trustee Minister Paul Comenencia.

The State Cabinet met morning six consensus rich laws, which the Court was one of them. The other laws have been adopted unanimously. About the Court was so much discussion, decided that the Ministerial Council to temporarily stop in the afternoon hours Continued Discussion policy. During such a consultation will be further discussed. Then all the ministers would meet again.

Because Croes was gone, he can not vote. Comenencia against the current proposal. There is a provision in which the Netherlands would only be deleted if Aruba agreed to the establishment of the Court in Curaçao. Because Aruba did not, was the determination and commitment Comenencia could not accept.
Other ministers have called for it. The laws are all adopted. They are now sent to the Lower House, which is in recess until September 1 is.

It is now up to the governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba to determine what else will happen.
 
For Comenencia was his last Cabinet. He is Consul General in Brazil this week and took leave. Today he came back specially for the meeting. About the atmosphere during the meeting, he lost little. "It was not a party, it seems clear to me," he says. "It's largely remained."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 09:34:52 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59032.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Wever Booshi appeal

3 Jul, 2009, 14:27 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/03-aruba-booshiwever-beroep.gif) 

Minister Booshi Wever (MEP) will appeal yesterday after the defamation case against parliamentarian Rudy Lampe (RED) lost.

ORANGE CITY - Minister of Health Booshi Wever (MEP) will appeal in the libel case he lost yesterday against parliamentarian Rudy Lampe (RED). Weaver describes a noise band to have that 'young people' to hear that incriminating statements had been made against Lampe.

Or any evidence of pedophilia, therefore, something Wever Lampe has several times accused of, the Minister does not say. Questions about wimpelt it off. "That tape is mine and that ga I use at a time that suits me. I do not say what the content is and I'll tape very well hide in the event that a search in my house is done. In due time, the Aruban people hear the tape. "

According to the ruling of the court would have acted unlawfully Wever when both the press and during an emergency session of parliament on June 1 Lampe for pedophile had been. Wever satisfies the sentence imposed, but is still on appeal: "The court is very far gone in a tortuous legal argument."

According to Weaver, the court of a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights with an Italian parliamentarian during a meeting outside the parliament for a political opponent had been the thief. "It's more than obvious that these two cases are not compared. I can not campaign during a public meeting to say that I think someone is a thief, then immunity can be expected. But for the same reasoning apply in the States in my opinion nothing less than a reward for Mr Lampe for his work as a traitor for giving information to Brinkman (PVV-parliamentarian Hero Brinkman, ed) "

Trias politica
The judge also condemned the action of States President Mervin Wyatt-Ras (MEP) during the emergency debate. They did not really contest the rulings against Wever Lampe. The minister is also not agree with the court. "It is nothing to him. It is his business. During the examination of the trial lawyer could Wix just say that he is ashamed of me and that there is a stamp parliament. Since he was not rightly rejected. Each must maintain order in his or her room. It is up to the State President how to maintain order. And it has me really well right out. The court is not the one who should judge the parliament. That goes against the trio politician in! "

Straatvechter
Minister Wever you find that someone, whether it is in the press or the States, not just for pedophiles can be. "But I am not the one rumor that the world has." It was under him on the radio initially distributed.
"And now I stand still while I day in and day out by him for corrupt word determined? I am also a man and I have a family. They are also very corrupt and I will decide. And if someone does something to me then I do something in return. I am a straatvechter. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 09:38:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59031.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Hospital attracts repented in case Briceño

3 Jul, 2009, 14:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "We have acted in error." Ruben Croes, care manager of the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH), calls a spade a spade as it asks for the death of 27-year-old patient Nashma Briceño the Emergency Assistance from the hospital in February.

"People were not in the flow chart and were wrong characters themselves passed. Some characters that nurses together seinden are not even in the book. Also, the nurses not acted to the diagnosis by the treating doctor had already made. I am not saying that they would have survived if it had gone well, but the fact remains that large errors are made. "Following an audit earlier this year by the Emergency Aid, but also the much discussed death of Nashma Briceño and other cases, the hospital health Paul Strong, co-author, brought to Aruba. He is the author of the same handbook for the triage of emergency since 2006 and use it in the past few days intensive training to the nursing staff in first aid. "Some of them had not followed and for those who already knew it was a good refresher course," says Croes. Triage is one invented in England scoring system for the emergency hospital, which incoming cases in the first aid on the basis of urgency be assessed and assigned a color: blue for 'non urgent' green 'standard', yellow for 'urgent ', orange for "high urgency" and red for' immediate '.

The nursing staff of the Emergency Assistance is now working with an automated system of checklists to assess first-aid cases. There was a book available. "That sure sometimes that things on the head were seen because of crowds," says Strong, who believes that if the automated system is used, a reliability of 95 percent can be achieved. Strong was the audit of last year 'reasonably satisfied' about the reliability score of the nurses in triage assessments. "Because international hospitals between 65 percent and 98 percent score. This hospital is that 73 per cent. "According to Strong is a good score for a hospital that only one year after the introduction of a new system is already an audit. "Hospitals without automated system, which was the case here, in my experience never higher than 80 percent."

Fast Track
Now the course is finished, the nurses at the Emergency Aid to be awarded under the master. Where once the case is a so-called fast-track method in which nurses themselves non-urgent cases such as grazes and treatment. Until now, all cases of emergency aid by doctors advised. "This way we can reduce the waiting time from 50 percent and we can between 4000 and 6000 cases so treated. But first there must be good getrieerd, "said Strong, who comes back next year to monitor progress of the nursing staff to assess. In a year it is intended that the fast-track system.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 09:49:24 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59029.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Links with the Netherlands to new low

3 Jul, 2009, 14:25 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The smiling faces of State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) of the Kingdom and Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber Aruba on Monday last week, were clean appearance. Yesterday, the State Secretary to the Lower House that the relationship between the two countries is very bad.

They did this during consultations with the permanent Kamercommissie for Dutch Antillean and Aruban Affairs (NAAZ). It was the process of dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles and other political reforms evaluated. The World reports that MPs have voiced their concerns about the situation between the Netherlands and Aruba and the island is to the Kingdom. They are more concerned about this than about the feasibility of the deadline set by the Dutch government has set for the dismantling of the Antilles.

Bijleveld agrees with these concerns, especially since the June 1 Aruban parliament a motion of censure against her adopted. "I am worried about the soundness of democracy and the rule of law." The way Aruban politicians on Dutch colleagues speak, it is also "totally inappropriate." That feeling is mutual as evidenced by the letter of plenipotentiary Frido Croes last week to the chairman of the Lower House in which they complained about the behavior of two Dutch parliamentarians. They called the Aruban Prime Minister an unreliable driver one of the biggest criminals of the island.

Bijleveld said yesterday that research into the governance Aruba necessary. "There just some things improve." Relations are now so bad that the Chamber really wonder what Aruba wants the Kingdom and Bijleveld endorses the following: "Frankly, I question that sometimes off." The Secretary of State also thinks that the elections in September in Aruba also affect the poor atmosphere.

During the lightning visit last week two ministers appeared Monday to have found each other in a joint approach to improve democracy and the rule of law. Soon there was confusion about what Aruba and the Netherlands follows fresh tonden. Barely a day later, the Dutch Minister of Interior Affairs and Kingdom Relations Guusje ter Horst (PvdA) know that an investigation into possible corruption and mismanagement in Aruba is. With or without cooperation from the Aruban government. That decision was this week further informed by the State. They also indicated that even the State Ministers to give this contract.
 

Fresh start
MEP, the Dutch government policy with regard to the corruption investigation especially colonialism. Opposition parties welcome such investigation and to be united by their MEP not thank decreased. The yellow party, the opposition parties held several times for their country. AVP-leader Mike Eman calls for a fresh start in the Kingdom.

"The Chamber and the Dutch Government as judge and report on the Aruban Government, is proof of a fact extremely poor relationship between these two parts in the Kingdom. That makes me very concerned. This is not in the interest of Aruba. Eman has a low point in relations. "Oduber has little invested in the relationship with the Netherlands. Blackmail was the order of the day. "ASF believes that the" totally unrealistic "to think that Aruba without the Kingdom. "AVP wants neither. Our future is a common future. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 09:53:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59028.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Lampe wins appeal over allegations of pedophilia

3 Jul, 2009, 14:22 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - RED-party Rudy Lampe has been of equal justice in the appeal that he Minister of Health Booshi Weaver has brought after him for 'pedophile' had been in the States and the press.

Wever, for next Saturday a correction in both places as Amigoe Aruba Bon Dia and Diario. For each day that the Minister this correction does not put it in 5000 florin pay. According to the court revealed that some actual evidence of that Lampe would be pedophile. Also, there is no justification for the statements made by Weaver as "the unfounded accusations of a political opponent" the objective of protecting society in no way serves. "The court considers that the public rightly vituperate as very bitter and damaging experienced. For Mr Lampe even more that the label pedophile affect the confidence that voters in him to make. That the statements of Mr. Weaver and a political tool, Mr. Lampe a great interest in correcting, "says the press release of the court of first instance.

Inviolability
Unique to the ruling is the fact that the court decisions quoted by Wever were made during the State Assembly on June 1st. States during this meeting, which was about the letter of State Secretary Bijleveld to the Lower House and a report is published in this newspaper, Minister Wever Lampe after his speech to pedophile determined. That ministers and parliamentarians in the States have immunity, which is a requirement for an open debate, does not the court. "But if this leads to Mr. Lampe access to justice is denied, a profession that immunity be deemed contrary to the European Convention on Human Rights, which includes the right to a fair trial guarantees." The court also found that the judgments of Wever were not related to the subject of the States Assembly and not under 'open debate' fall.

States President
The role of States President Mervin Wyatt-Ras in the events of June 1 by the court raised. According to the court, the State President Minister Wever to or able to speak, "in which case that if adequate protection of the rights of Lampe had to be made. 'After studying the video showed the court that Wyatt-Ras had limited in a single notice, which the minister repeated his comment.

Extra sensitive
Rudy Lampe said, also on behalf of the Catholic Church, to be relieved by the ruling. "We know there were many scandals with priests who have committed this heinous crime. So if such allegations are made publicly against my person, then that is extra sensitive. Therefore I am pleased that Minister Wever now corrected. Secondly, this sentence is very important for the political debate itself because it indicates that the immunity you enjoy in parliament is not absolute. "Lampe explains that this decision will have positive consequences for political culture and level of debate in the States.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 09:59:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58957.php

Google translation:

Commander Panther

1 Jul, 2009, 14:11 (GMT -04:00)

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The outgoing commander Oudhuis and the incoming commander Cut Laar on the Coast Guard cutter Panter.

ORANGE CITY - The command of Coast Guard cutter Panter was transferred last week to board of Lieutenant-ter-zee Frank Oudhuis to Lieutenant at Sea Bass Cut Laar. This happened in the waters of the Aruban coast.

Prior was the official part of Coast Guard Steunpunt Aruba. "I still see myself three years ago and also when you spoke. What are three years can quickly ...", said Commander Oudhuis the guests to. Before standing of dignitaries, guests and of course the crew of the Panther, he looked back on three separate years. Years in which the Coast Guard many developments which made the Panther many successes. With the advent of the walradar on the various islands and coastal patrol aircraft, the Coast Guard in recent years grown tremendously and expanded.

The units are increasingly become dependent on good, accurate information. The cooperation with the various services in home and abroad is crucial. Oudhuis looked back on his time as commander with a peak catch of 1,000 kilos of cocaine. He was also silent in many search and rescue operations, such as a doctor with his two sons, the twenty hours between Curacao and Bonaire in the water had been rescued before they could be. Oudhuis writes this success to the excellent and professional attitude of the crew of the cutter. "I will never forget you. Thanks for your support in recent years. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 10:38:40 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Probably NOT a good idea Ronnie, REMEMBER  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt?

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/july/july3/ronny%20bernadina.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

will send busca stagaire of the netherlands for cuida we turistanan

friday, 03 july 2009 - 15:48

sr. ronnie bernadina ex comisario y boss of police is one of the fundadornan of the fundacion of aruba hotel & security foundation. various hotel is pay one suma for anja for so one team cu is consiti of police y miembronan of seguridad is proteha the areanan of hotel. the ultimo simanan the team is consistiendo of casi only the miembronan of seguridad. this debi cu polisnan is concentrando they self in another areanan on the island. for her aim of the fundacion here not bay perdi sr. bernadina will bay make all will possible for at march 2010 aruba can haja among 10 - 20 student of the study of seguridad at the netherlands for so make they 5 or 6 month of practica here at aruba. they will have to fill the bashi cu have at the momentonan here in personal for her area of low y highrise hotel. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2009, 11:17:25 PM
Klaas, check your hotmail please.

Thanks!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 11:57:10 PM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

GEROLD DOMPIG ABD SON?

KYLE KINGMAN[/b] - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:    the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:  The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle Kingman:  The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.


Fox Online Show - Jamie Colby - July 15, 2007
 
JAMIE COLBY:  Tim, let me ask you about this search. You want to go back, you want to search and focus underwater

TIM MILLER:That's another thing that Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.  Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep  and we always thought about the water anyhow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 04, 2009, 12:09:14 AM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Patriot

If you could you please provide the Facebook link ... I would sure appreciate it.

Thank you.

Janet

Hi Janet, here's the link.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1381792855&ref=ts

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 04, 2009, 12:14:58 AM
A REMINDER

A MOTHER'S ANQUISH

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
.
Pages 114/115:
  Since entrusting Natalee's care to God, I welcome sleep when I can get it.  Nothing in my dreams is worse than my waking hours.  Ironically, sleep takes me out of the nightmare.  No question though, the lack of sleep is having an effect.  After holding it together all day, in front of others and in front of TV cameras, night is when emotions spiral out of control.

Feeling was unleased at the Cross, and it is a being of its own.  It can soothe me, and it can torment me.  It empowers me.  Yet I throw things when I'm alone in the room.  Shoes, Apples from a fruit basket.  Whatever is within reach when the urge strikes.  Sometimes the crying is inconsolable, and I hug the purple duffel bag.  Over and over I just hug it.

When Jug and I are in Natalee's room by ourselves, we kneel and pray together for her, staring at her picture on the bedside table.  We keep the light on.  Just like all parents do when they're waiting for their children to come home.

Another day passes.  And tomorrow and the next day and the next we'll put on our game faces and do it all over gain until we find her.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 04, 2009, 12:32:14 AM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
« Reply #183 on: January 14, 2009, 08:31:52 PM »


Kyle said originally that they were searching where they were based on the confession of one of the suspects, who we presume to be Joran.

Kyle said: "Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg626834;topicseen#msg626834


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 04, 2009, 12:36:49 AM
Good Night San.

I was just driving by.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
9:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2009, 01:33:21 AM
http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167327,00.html

Natalee Holloway's Mom Determined to Get Answers

Saturday , August 27, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Natalee Hollaway's mother said Saturday she believes "we are going to get answers" in the nearly three-month disappearance of her daughter after two brothers previously detained and released in the case were taken back into custody.

Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, the two Surinamese brothers previously detained in the Natalee Holloway (search) case, have been re-arrested on suspicion of premeditated rape and murder, Aruban government officials said Friday. A third person was also detained.

Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes (search) told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.," said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot (search), who has been held in the case since June 9.

It was unclear if the third arrest was related to the Holloway case.

"I was pumped up at the news," Beth Holloway Twitty (search) told The Associated Press by telephone from her home in Birmingham, Ala. "The strongest thing I felt was that we are going to get answers."

Holloway Twitty called the arrests a vindication for the teen's family, which was angered by a judge's decision in July to release the brothers for lack of evidence

The Kalpoe brothers were arrested after authorities uncovered "new facts and circumstances," in the investigation of Holloway's disappearance, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

They were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified "other people," in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said.

A judge later ruled that prosecutors had enough evidence to hold the three men for at least eight days while they build their case, said Elgin Zeppenveldt, a lawyer for Satish Kalpoe.

"We are appealing the decision, because the prosecution is withholding documents from us," Zeppenveldt said.

Holloway's family said they were pleased about the arrests, which they learned about from the FBI.

"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss. "We've known all along they had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."

Satish, 18, and Deepak Kalpoe, 21, were originally detained along with van der Sloot, now 18, but released in July after a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold them in Holloway's disappearance.

Holloway, an 18-year-old from Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with the Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot in the early hours of May 30, the last day of her high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. Extensive searches of the island have yielded no clues to her whereabouts.

A judge is scheduled to hold a hearing in September to determine if there is enough evidence to continue holding van der Sloot, the son of a Dutch judicial official. No charges have been filed in the case.
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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/26/newest-person-arrested-information/

Newest Person Arrested Information
 
Named Freddy Arambatzis

Crime according to Josse Mansur is for “Selling Pictures of Naked Young Girls”. He was a neighbor of Jorans.

Freddy’s Tickle Sitehttp://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=mo8PbvmaZ8reND6SThanks Robert J)

Video of Josse Mansur Statement on the Arrest.

Also, want to give a big thank you to the crowd on the Scared Monkeys Discussion Boards who helped put all this together tonight! Amazing teamwork with the monkeys.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2009, 02:51:44 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 04, 2009, 08:42:40 AM
How can Dave Holloway be friends with Satish Kalpoe and Micheal Dompig on Facebook????

I'm confused...

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1381792855&ref=ts



Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 118-119:
  There are several people in the equation to consider besides the three boys and the father.  There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping hints.  Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of  Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released,  trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos 'n Charlies's.  The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two.  As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediaely discontinued his activity.  The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women.

 I walked up to (Michael) Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 04, 2009, 09:11:16 AM
So.....

Not only are the Kalpoes (and whoever else bet on them) NOT rolling in dough, they are now being hit with a $127,076.16 bill.  They likely won't earn that much money legally in their lifetime.

Satish better hurry up and finish High School (http://bestsmileys.com/school/5.gif) so he can get to Medical School to become that Doctor (http://bestsmileys.com/medical/3.gif) he wanted to be  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 04, 2009, 09:14:17 AM
Dr. Phil's team will likely have THOUSANDS of pages of back up for their expenses!  I wonder if that is going to cause the K2 a few sleepless nights.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

You have to wonder how many people are thinking to themselves right now "oh sh**"

I believe there are alot of people that have been banking on the Kalpoes winning big bucks and didn't expect it could go the other way  ::MonkeyHaHa::

They just don't understand our "Legal" system do they?   ::MonkeyDevil::

I have waited so long for one of our monkeys to say just that! Well said, Blue Moon!!!  (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/devilmonkey.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Red on July 04, 2009, 09:48:42 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA - INDEPENDENCE DAY … HAPPY 4TH OF JULY 2009

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/07/04/happy-birthday-america-independence-day-happy-4th-of-july-2009/

I hope everyone has a festive July 4th ...

At some point during this July 4, 2009 when you are spending time with family and friends, attending a picnic, get together or family reunion, and watching fireworks this evening, please take the time to either read or contemplate what this day truly means and the words that were written in The Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776.

Do not ever forget that today is about Life, Liberty, Freedom and “We the People”. Representatives that acted by and for the people of the Colonies and a new nation at great sacrifice. I would ask of our politicians today … where are those brace men and women that cared more of the people, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than they do about being reelected and usurping power?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 04, 2009, 10:31:16 AM
Thanks Red.

This Canadian and hubby are being afforded the priviledge of driving across the nearby border and joining youngest son’s Dutch American inlaws as they celebrate along with neighbors, friends and family who reside in a small Dairy community where the American flag is a fixture on most properties.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 04, 2009, 01:56:55 PM
                        Happy 4th to all the wonderful monkeys


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blonde on July 04, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 04, 2009, 02:04:06 PM
That was suppose to be fireworks going off, don't know what happened.



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
http://awemainta.com/home/

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http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=651:web-aruba-nv-ta-experencia-un-blackout-total-despues-di-mas-cu-7-ana&catid=11:local&Itemid=56


Papiamentu translation:

w.e.b. aruba n.v. is experencia one “blackout” overall after of more cu 7 year.

saturday, 04 july 2009 12:44 l

ightning is strike in switchyard of “halto voltahe” y cause one blackout overall at w.e.b. aruba n.v. y we island in his totalidad. w.e.b. aruba n.v. is lamenta cu after of 7 year we country is experencia one “black out” overall cu is place all the island y incluso w.e.b. aruba n.v. self in scuridad. one “acto of naturalesa” as owing to sosode yesterday evening not can wordo evita for none tecnologia. till now the damage is minimo y limita at the switchyard but the la costa much for her motibo of interupcion of suministro of electricidad at comunidad. one thanks special is bay in name of gerencia at all employee of w.e.b. aruba n.v. cu owing to work yesterday evening y till today morning still for succeed place we plant bek in servicio. so can owing to suministra people via of n.v. elmar the electricidad cu is necesario. at compañeronan of n.v. elmar thanks for her good work. also at prensa of aruba cu owing to help in provee the informacion at people for they can was trankil for know cu the situation was below ; control y cu trabounan was desaroya at w.e.b. aruba n.v. for trece the situation bek at normalidad. is ask comprension of comunidad for her inconvinencia cause for her interupcion here. for more or less 8:45 yesterday evening, w.e.b. aruba n.v. owing to experencia one black out overall. at once owing to cuminsa the investigacion for determina the cause of this. after cu owing to determina cu the damage was in we switchyard, owing to isola the part here y owing to cuminsa work at once on arise we instalacionnan bek in produccion. the first engine for bay on cord was the unidad of emergencia conoci because; the “gasturbine”. this owing to haci possible for w.e.b. aruba n.v. achieve coriente inner y can cuminsa the proceso for arise more instalacion. owing to start the engine recip # 4 y so stap for stap owing to follow cu one another recip for so can owing to cuminsa conecta cu the red of n.v. elmar. also the hour can owing to conecta cu valero for so achieve more capasidad for suministra at n.v. elmar, that at his file owing to cuminsa some poco cu conecta partinan of aruba bek cu coriente. this was in curso of 2’or of marduga. w.e.b. aruba n.v. owing to follow cu the proceso cuidadoso for place more unidad in servicio among another the boilernan y for morning great part of aruba was on cord. at the momentonan here cu is 1’or of afternoon already owing to start boiler # 3 y owing to pay the unidad of emergencia – gasturbine y do not haci usage of valero more, w.e.b. aruba n.v. self have sufficient capacidad for suministra we island completo. the situation owing to normalisa y w.e.b. aruba n.v. have one reserva of 22 megawatt. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 04, 2009, 05:14:02 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 04, 2009, 05:29:02 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 04, 2009, 05:29:11 PM
Lifetime movie channel is promoting the Natalee Holloway story again for next saturday 9pm...Not positive if it's eastern,pacific,and or western..FYI...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 04, 2009, 05:30:43 PM
Thank you KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 04, 2009, 05:32:55 PM
Thank you KTF

Thanx Muffy.Girlfriend is making me watch the Hot & Steamy 4th on the Lifetime movie channel & the promo came on.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::!Wishin Muffy & all the Monkey's a safe & Happy 4th...As the promo says............................

SOMEONE KNOWS THE TRUTH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Red on July 04, 2009, 09:16:02 PM
Here is an FYI regarding the Amigoe story from last week regarding another girl that had gone missing in Aruba. I got the low down from Jossy, it appears the story is as follows:

Quote
The girl in question did not go missing; it was just a misunderstanding between her and her brother. She went voluntarily to the police to report that she is not missing and gave the reasons why she severed contacts with her brother. It was her brother who put her on the missing list in Holland.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
Here is an FYI regarding the Amigoe story from last week regarding another girl that had gone missing in Aruba. I got the low down from Jossy, it appears the story is as follows:

Quote
The girl in question did not go missing; it was just a misunderstanding between her and her brother. She went voluntarily to the police to report that she is not missing and gave the reasons why she severed contacts with her brother. It was her brother who put her on the missing list in Holland.

Thanks Red!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 04, 2009, 10:40:43 PM
A question from out of the blue.......... did anything ever transpire with that "Jaap" guy and his TV show outing of Joran???


Happy 4th everyone!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2009, 11:41:23 PM
A question from out of the blue.......... did anything ever transpire with that "Jaap" guy and his TV show outing of Joran???


Happy 4th everyone!!!

Nothing yet that I know of wreck.  I've read speculation that maybe a show in September or November.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2009, 11:42:22 PM


wreck's trainwreck is back!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 05, 2009, 12:03:09 AM


wreck's trainwreck is back!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 05, 2009, 12:29:44 AM


wreck's trainwreck is back!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 12:45:06 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59084.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Stein new Advocate General Aruba

4 Jul, 2009, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - Taco Stein, the new Advocate General of Aruba. The State Cabinet Friday agreed with his proposal. The appointment is at 1 September, 2009. Stein is now Acting Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles. He is the chief item on St. Maarten. Previously he worked for the Public Ministry in the Netherlands. In the National Public Prosecutor, he was charged with cybercrime. This includes child pornography and fraud under.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 05, 2009, 12:56:17 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59084.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Stein new Advocate General Aruba

4 Jul, 2009, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - Taco Stein, the new Advocate General of Aruba. The State Cabinet Friday agreed with his proposal. The appointment is at 1 September, 2009. Stein is now Acting Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles. He is the chief item on St. Maarten. Previously he worked for the Public Ministry in the Netherlands. In the National Public Prosecutor, he was charged with cybercrime. This includes child pornography and fraud under.

  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 12:57:17 AM
A REMINDER

THE BOYCOTT


1.  PRIOR TO THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

DAVE HOLLOWAY – NOVEMBER, 2005

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway


I knew things had changed while I was in Aruba during that trip, but I did not think it would become so obvious to the general public.  I had not supported the idea of a boycott because I did not want to hurt the people of Aruba.  The governor of Alabama, Bob Riley, wanted me to go along with him on it, but I told him I would not and I had him call Prime Minister Oduber to tell him that.  I still felt that a lot of people who had nothing to do with the case would suffer from a boycott.  I did not want to hurt the poor people, but I began to feel that Aruba needed to step up to the plate and take some immediate action in order to prevent one.  If the Aruban government continued to make such blatant statements about putting Natalee’s case on the back burner, I could not be responsible for what others in the United States would do …

As I was getting on the plane to leave, I felt as though I had shown a rock at a hornet’s nest.  The main purpose of my trip was to make everyone aware of what I felt was really going on with the investigation and to force changes to be made.  I knew there would be a shake-up down there very soon.  I had become more outspoken.  I had originally focused more on searching than doing interviews with the press.  But I had also felt that the Aruban investigators were working with us to find Natalee.  All that has changed.  I am now doing my best to see that the truth comes out and to make sure that a qualified team is put together in Aruba to continue with the investigation …


'On the Record w/ Greta' - November 17, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY:  I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html


Aruba Truth - November 9, 2005

Dave Holloway:

I do not have a formal response available at this time, but I will support the decisions of elected officials and therefore support what the Alabama government has decided to do,” Holloway said in a telephone interview Tuesday evening. “The Aruban people elected their officials to make decisions in the best interests of their people, and we have done the same. The Alabama governor made a decision on Natalee’s behalf, so I will support that position.


2.  FOLLOWING THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

ROBIN HOLLOWAY - June 19, 2007

FOLLOWING THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (MARK PURCELL) – JUNE 19, 2007

Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people
.
The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 12:59:03 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 12:59:50 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59078.php

Google translation:

Aruba

'Government is government, not the other way'

4 Jul, 2009, 15:26 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/04-aruba-serge-masur-_04-07.gif)  
Serge Mansur

In run-up to parliamentary elections in September, the Amigoe a series of portraits of election candidates. Central to the campaign, funding and vision. This time a portrait of: Serge Mansur (43), new boxes politician for Real Democracy Party (PDR).


ORANGE CITY - When he was President of employers ATIA, Serge Mansur has a lot to do with the government and various government agencies. From these contacts he concluded that much wrong with the way Aruba is governed and that it all much better to do. He has the role as president tried to change things but. "They do not listen to you. If you want to change you have in the field and do it yourself ".

by our staff
Yvonne Leijdekkers

The forthcoming elections, he sees his chance to act on words. The choice for Real Democracy Party (PDR) he was quickly made. The two major parties were not an option because these parties, according to Mansur responsible for the situation where Aruba is currently located. In his decision, he has inter alia be guided by the respect he has for ANDIN Bikker, founder of the party. "ANDIN Bikker has proven that he can achieve something difficult circumstances." Mansur identifies strongly with the views of Bikker. He criticizes the current position that the people there to serve the government, rather than the Government is to serve the people and wants to change the situation.

With regard to the forthcoming elections Mansur is optimistic and positive, although he admits it is difficult to predict how it will be expired. He expected that MEP and AVP the two largest parties, but that Real Democracy will be a good third. "What concerns me is with the elections coming to an end the era of the old established parties. They even try a quick facelift and many make-up appearance to change, but the 'body' remains the same. "Mansur believes that a coalition and that no one party more than ten seats will get.

The politician, the next elections as a first step that his party can prove they can show how it can. If they get this chance, he is convinced that the party continues to grow. "The country has deteriorated, especially when you look at the situation 20 years back. Education has deteriorated, there is increasing crime and there is nothing in that period to the infrastructure of the island done. "He points out that you only new asphalt here and can not make you do something about the infrastructure.

Mansur would strongly go for better education, where, according to him, much to be done. He wonders what is currently happening with the youth of Aruba. "What we have beautiful buildings and our teachers are not a good training and let our youth go?" The taxes have his attention. He is in favor of abolishing the income tax form. "Most people pay tax on their income, the employer bears the taxes. Why should people than at the end of the year an IB form? "If he is still the form, in a simplified form, do apply to people who have other income such as rental income. In addition, the new politician abolish the inheritance tax. "Why should the government even after my death to me deserve?" Mansur is also in favor of introducing a maximum limit on the mortgage interest deduction.

Superfluous
He also wants to advocate bodies like the General Court and the Central Audit. "These agencies need more resources to better performance, making them more power and they are no longer the law to prescribe." Now, according to a politician in waiting for, that if a minister does not want it controlled There also is not checked. According to Mansur is nothing to be done and let the authorities to the law require. The efficiency in public is another issue which is high on his list. He believes that some services would be much better able to function and that some services are even unnecessary. "We are dealing with an administration that is greater than that of all the surrounding islands together! Aruba 7000 officials did not need, this is a waste of money. In this context, he grants that the government has sold its shares of the hotels the Hyatt, the Radisson and Marriott. Mansur wondered where all the money remained. "Money today is what comes in, has long been spent. The money from the Plant Hotel, 200 million, is on ". This, according to Mansur unacceptable things.

Environment is another topic in his heart. He will then use for nature. He believes that swift legislative need for CO2 reduction. He is in favor of introducing standards. He wants in this context together with the Netherlands and / or the European Union (EU) are working to establish a realistic timetable to reduce emissions to an acceptable level. In addition, tax breaks he wants in order to support environmentally friendly behavior. Illegal dumping of refuse, once again, he wants to increase penalties and establish an anonymous click line, so that people can identify anonymous polluters. "There is nothing to be done." Personally, he called the police when he saw someone illegally dumping rubbish. "The police took my report, but then took no action."

Netherlands
PDR has indicated within the Kingdom of the Netherlands would continue. "The situation in Aruba is significantly better than those of many other island. This is not because we get so much smarter than the rest, but we have to a large extent due to the Netherlands. Do not be afraid or too proud to ask for help if you can not. This is not a disgrace. We learn much of the Netherlands. "He believes that the people through a referendum to decide how the future relationship between Aruba and the EU should be. Personally, he feels that it can not be that Poland or any country in the EU could decide on questions of Aruba. "That and especially economic issues, we must keep in their own hands."

  

Campaign
Serge Mansur during the campaign will focus on two groups: the professionals and businessmen and young people. He thinks young people are easily accessible because they are less loyal to a political party because the family, close friends or party heard. Mansur grand campaign will not go with great music bands and many drinks. "That is not efficient. People come just for drinks and music, but do not know where it really matters. It is a lot of bla-bla, but without the people do not know where that party stands for. "Instead, he would rather donate money to charities. For example, last week he made a donation Fundicacion Balanco Nobo. This is a new foundation that helps people with debt. The donations come from own resources. Mansur says not to use sponsors. He wants to campaign as efficiently as possible and communicate a lot through its website, but online social networks also want a lot of lectures, which he can communicate with voters and discuss.


  

Portfolio
Serge Mansur was born in 1966 as the sixth child in a family of eight children. After three years at Colegio Arubano have been, were his parents that he needed more discipline and he is in 1981 to Castle Heights Military Academy sent. This was a military school in the State of Tennessee of the United States. That is in addition to regular courses also trained in shooting, military tactics and marching. In 1983 he graduated with an academic diploma. His follow, he followed at the University of Miami, where he died in 1988, graduated in Business Management and Organization. In 1989, Mansur work in the Dominican Republic to Industria de Tabaco Leon Jimenes, in 1993 to return to Aruba where he is working with Superior Tobacco Co. NV From 1995 until the sale of the company in May 2007 he was general manager. Mansur is actively Stimaruba. He is also a member of the Kiwanis Club and is director of Aruba Trade & Industry Association ATIA, where he also three years of time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 05, 2009, 01:05:52 AM


wreck's trainwreck is back!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Kay might stop the Kalpo gravy train aspirations and the train wreck came to life.  I love it. 

Happy 4th to all. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:08:28 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59078.php

The google translation said "died" so I ran that last paragraph through babelfish


Babelfish translation of last paragraph:

Port folio
Serge Mansur is born in 1966, as sixth child in a family of eight children. After three years on Colegio Arubano to have sat, its parents found that he had more discipline necessary and he in 1981, to Castle Heights Military Academy has been sent. This was a military school in the state Tennessee of the United States. There he has been also trained beside the regular professions in shoot, military tactics and march. In 1983, he has succeeded with an academic diploma. He has followed its continuation study to the University or Miami, where he has graduated in 1988, in business management and Organization. In 1989 is Mansur go to work in Dominican republic at Industria Tabaco León Jimenes, in 1993 to return to Aruba where he is will work at Superior Tobacco Co. N.V as from 1995 to sale of the society in May 2007 was he general director. Mansur are active for Stimaruba. Also he is member of the Kiwanis club and is he governing board member of Aruba Trade & Industry Association ATIA, where he has been years also three President of.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:09:04 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:00 PM PT

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 05, 2009, 01:11:00 AM
Good Night Janet!  ::MonkeyCool::

I Hope All Monkeys had a Safe and Enjoyable 4th of July!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:11:22 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59084.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Stein new Advocate General Aruba

4 Jul, 2009, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - Taco Stein, the new Advocate General of Aruba. The State Cabinet Friday agreed with his proposal. The appointment is at 1 September, 2009. Stein is now Acting Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles. He is the chief item on St. Maarten. Previously he worked for the Public Ministry in the Netherlands. In the National Public Prosecutor, he was charged with cybercrime. This includes child pornography and fraud under.

  ::MonkeyEek::

I think in this case "charged" means that he was responsible for investigating/prosecuting those crimes; or I sure hope so anyway!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 05, 2009, 01:14:01 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59084.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Stein new Advocate General Aruba

4 Jul, 2009, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - Taco Stein, the new Advocate General of Aruba. The State Cabinet Friday agreed with his proposal. The appointment is at 1 September, 2009. Stein is now Acting Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles. He is the chief item on St. Maarten. Previously he worked for the Public Ministry in the Netherlands. In the National Public Prosecutor, he was charged with cybercrime. This includes child pornography and fraud under.

  ::MonkeyEek::

I think in this case "charged" means that he was responsible for investigating/prosecuting those crimes; or I sure hope so anyway!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::
  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:22:09 AM
http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://www.awemainta.com/home/images/stories/Front(10).jpg)

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=651:web-aruba-nv-ta-experencia-un-blackout-total-despues-di-mas-cu-7-ana&catid=11:local&Itemid=56


Papiamentu translation:

w.e.b. aruba n.v. is experencia one “blackout” overall after of more cu 7 year.

saturday, 04 july 2009 12:44 l

ightning is strike in switchyard of “halto voltahe” y cause one blackout overall at w.e.b. aruba n.v. y we island in his totalidad. w.e.b. aruba n.v. is lamenta cu after of 7 year we country is experencia one “black out” overall cu is place all the island y incluso w.e.b. aruba n.v. self in scuridad. one “acto of naturalesa” as owing to sosode yesterday evening not can wordo evita for none tecnologia. till now the damage is minimo y limita at the switchyard but the la costa much for her motibo of interupcion of suministro of electricidad at comunidad. one thanks special is bay in name of gerencia at all employee of w.e.b. aruba n.v. cu owing to work yesterday evening y till today morning still for succeed place we plant bek in servicio. so can owing to suministra people via of n.v. elmar the electricidad cu is necesario. at compañeronan of n.v. elmar thanks for her good work. also at prensa of aruba cu owing to help in provee the informacion at people for they can was trankil for know cu the situation was below ; control y cu trabounan was desaroya at w.e.b. aruba n.v. for trece the situation bek at normalidad. is ask comprension of comunidad for her inconvinencia cause for her interupcion here. for more or less 8:45 yesterday evening, w.e.b. aruba n.v. owing to experencia one black out overall. at once owing to cuminsa the investigacion for determina the cause of this. after cu owing to determina cu the damage was in we switchyard, owing to isola the part here y owing to cuminsa work at once on arise we instalacionnan bek in produccion. the first engine for bay on cord was the unidad of emergencia conoci because; the “gasturbine”. this owing to haci possible for w.e.b. aruba n.v. achieve coriente inner y can cuminsa the proceso for arise more instalacion. owing to start the engine recip # 4 y so stap for stap owing to follow cu one another recip for so can owing to cuminsa conecta cu the red of n.v. elmar. also the hour can owing to conecta cu valero for so achieve more capasidad for suministra at n.v. elmar, that at his file owing to cuminsa some poco cu conecta partinan of aruba bek cu coriente. this was in curso of 2’or of marduga. w.e.b. aruba n.v. owing to follow cu the proceso cuidadoso for place more unidad in servicio among another the boilernan y for morning great part of aruba was on cord. at the momentonan here cu is 1’or of afternoon already owing to start boiler # 3 y owing to pay the unidad of emergencia – gasturbine y do not haci usage of valero more, w.e.b. aruba n.v. self have sufficient capacidad for suministra we island completo. the situation owing to normalisa y w.e.b. aruba n.v. have one reserva of 22 megawatt. come across

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59085.php

Google translation:

Island shelf by power failure

4 Jul, 2009, 16:03 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - To some nine o'clock in the evening was over Aruba literally lights out. A lightning in a switch stadium Water and Electric WEB explained the company lamb. The authorities were no incidents as a result of the failure. Hospital and hotels had their own electricity through generators and Valero and operated by the airport. Just before the conclusion of this newspaper Saturday a small part of the island without electricity.

Aid agencies have not had a busy night, as reported fire and police. The roads were however remarkably busy with people of the power failure once exciting trip made. Also in the hotels, especially the casinos, was the pressure because there was light. Most restaurants closed their doors. Many cafes were still open and made a nice event with a lot of burning candles.
This morning was only known that WEB yesterday by a massive lightning strike was made, reports spokesman Kelvin Augustin. "It was a big blow. The metal of the high road schakelstation even scorched. Schakelstation It is outside in the open air, says Augustin, but not for long. "It's still one of the older parts of the business. We are modernizing and will at some point no longer required. "The damage to the company falls under him. "The real damage is that the island had no power, but that is not yet known."
Seven years ago, in November 2002 precisely, was the very last night in Aruba Saturday "But now it was natural that a proposed action and of course you can never arm or insurance," says Augustin.

Just after midnight WEB was slowly flow to distributor Elmar. Could then again be connected to the network of Valero. "That could not, because WEB weather had warmed up," explains Augustin from. In the water were there is hardly any problems. "People will, when the power failure may have noticed the water was lower. But that was quickly restored. The water reserves were maintained and we also supply water through tanks. "
This morning, most stadiums radio except Radio Boom Kelk and a Spanish-language radio station, still in the air. Also not published newspapers such as Diario or hours later. Around eleven o'clock, the most current problems solved, however.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:25:18 AM


wreck's trainwreck is back!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Kay might stop the Kalpo gravy train aspirations and the train wreck came to life.  I love it. 

Happy 4th to all. 

I love it too!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 05, 2009, 03:44:40 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 09:46:00 AM
A REMINDER

THE BOYCOTT


1.  PRIOR TO THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

DAVE HOLLOWAY – NOVEMBER, 2005

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway


I knew things had changed while I was in Aruba during that trip, but I did not think it would become so obvious to the general public.  I had not supported the idea of a boycott because I did not want to hurt the people of Aruba.  The governor of Alabama, Bob Riley, wanted me to go along with him on it, but I told him I would not and I had him call Prime Minister Oduber to tell him that.  I still felt that a lot of people who had nothing to do with the case would suffer from a boycott.  I did not want to hurt the poor people, but I began to feel that Aruba needed to step up to the plate and take some immediate action in order to prevent one.  If the Aruban government continued to make such blatant statements about putting Natalee’s case on the back burner, I could not be responsible for what others in the United States would do …

As I was getting on the plane to leave, I felt as though I had shown a rock at a hornet’s nest.  The main purpose of my trip was to make everyone aware of what I felt was really going on with the investigation and to force changes to be made.  I knew there would be a shake-up down there very soon.  I had become more outspoken.  I had originally focused more on searching than doing interviews with the press.  But I had also felt that the Aruban investigators were working with us to find Natalee.  All that has changed.  I am now doing my best to see that the truth comes out and to make sure that a qualified team is put together in Aruba to continue with the investigation …


'On the Record w/ Greta' - November 17, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY:  I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html


Aruba Truth - November 9, 2005

Dave Holloway:

I do not have a formal response available at this time, but I will support the decisions of elected officials and therefore support what the Alabama government has decided to do,” Holloway said in a telephone interview Tuesday evening. “The Aruban people elected their officials to make decisions in the best interests of their people, and we have done the same. The Alabama governor made a decision on Natalee’s behalf, so I will support that position.


2.  FOLLOWING THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

ROBIN HOLLOWAY - June 19, 2007

The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (MARK PURCELL) – JUNE 19, 2007

Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people
.
The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


Mark Purcell's positive response to Robin Holloway's announcement that Dave and her no longer support the boycott was an outright conflict of interest.   

Janet

++++++++++


August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board  and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 10:02:10 AM
The Aruban people were given a challenge by Senator Steve French if the desire was to avoid or end the voluntary boycott again travel to Aruba.  Aruban tourism dollars are not a right ... not a given.

Janet

+++++++


SENATOR STEVE FRENCH, R-BIRMINGHAM

Ala. Governor Urges Aruba Boycott
Call Made On Behalf Of Missing Teen Natalee Holloway
MONTGOMERY, Ala., Nov. 8, 2005


The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance “has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies.”

“It’s my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation,” French said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/08/national/main1025538.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 10:10:07 AM
FLASHBACK -  NOVEMBER, 2005

MONTGOMERY, Ala., Nov. 8, 2005
Ala. Governor Urges Aruba Boycott
Call Made On Behalf Of Missing Teen Natalee Holloway


(AP)  Gov. Bob Riley called for a nationwide travel boycott of Aruba on Tuesday on behalf a missing Alabama teenager's family, who accuse the island's government of not fully cooperating with the investigation into her disappearance.

Riley asked his fellow governors to join him in urging the boycott of Aruba, where 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30.

Her mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, joined Riley at the Alabama Capitol for the boycott announcement. She contends Aruban authorities have failed to adequately investigate the possible murder of her daughter, who was with a Dutch teenager and two Surinamese brothers on the night she disappeared.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/08/national/main1025538.shtml



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 10:20:20 AM
BETH HOLLOWAY

March 25, 2006
Natalee Holloway: New Clues
Investigator Tells 48 Hours She Probably Died From Excessive Alcohol, Maybe Drugs


Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 05, 2009, 10:22:49 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

soapman1   Post subject: Not so sure if we want to come back
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:34 am 
 
 Newbie

Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 10:03 am
Posts: 2

  Hello all. It has been a while since I last posted. I monitor the site every day and view everyones great photos, check airline sites to see the best rates, and long for the day that we can return to Aruba. We have even assured ourselves that next year will be the year that we will visit again. We haven't been since 2004 when we brought the whole family with us and everyone had just a great time at Manchebo. After reading all the posts about recent crimes.....now we are not so sure and it breaks our heart because we were so looking forward to returning. I don't want to have to worry to go out at night to enjoy an evening in town, or have to worry that if we want to just hang out on the beautiful beach all day. that our room won't be ransacked(not by the Manchebo though) or just have to constantly look behind. We had visited twice before 2004 and there was never a question about feeling safe and the thought never occurred. The people of Aruba are the friendliest people I have ever known and we always enjoy their company and they would bend over backwards for you and it wasn't just for the tips. That is just their nature. We also never saw swarms of vendors on the beaches begging for your dollars like other Carribbean island seem to have.

Look, I know there is crime everywhere in the world so it is not a new thing for all of us to deal with but this is an island that is only 20 miles long and 6 miles wide. Surly there must be a way for the police to control this beautiful place more than it seems like they have. The dutch own this island, surly they would want to make sure their own goverment or police on the island isn't corrupt and surly they would want to assure people like me to continue to return to keep bringing income to the island. I can't, of course, be certain that there is any corruption, but there are a lot of comments, just on this board, from residents of the island that seem to back some of the accusations up.

Look, there are a LOT of beautiful islands in the Caribbean to visit and my sister keeps asking me why we keep coming back to Aruba. I am sure she didn't mean it regarding the recent crime wave, just the fact there are so many other places to visit. I guess I have to now look into it. It's too bad because we really would like to come back and in the end, we may just do that but now we have to look at other options and with research, we will have to now look at our safety.

Just my two cents, sorry if I upset any one. Just torn on what to do. I will keep monitoring the situation and who knows, we may see you next year.
Mike
 
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72311&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 10:24:50 AM
Beth Holloway gets it!

Janet

++++++++

August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board  and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157/158:
  Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 10:29:46 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Have a great Sunday.

Janet
7:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 05, 2009, 12:50:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59084.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Stein new Advocate General Aruba

4 Jul, 2009, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - Taco Stein, the new Advocate General of Aruba. The State Cabinet Friday agreed with his proposal. The appointment is at 1 September, 2009. Stein is now Acting Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles. He is the chief item on St. Maarten. Previously he worked for the Public Ministry in the Netherlands. In the National Public Prosecutor, he was charged with cybercrime. This includes child pornography and fraud under.

  ::MonkeyEek::

I think in this case "charged" means that he was responsible for investigating/prosecuting those crimes; or I sure hope so anyway!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::
  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Good morning, All!


Actually, I'm not so sure about that.  There was a prosecutor from NL Antilles who was charged with having child porn on his computer when he sold it.  It was stored in the recycle bin but not deleted.  He gave some lame excuse about it being there but think he was actually charged anyway but not much of any sentencing if any.

I sure hope this is not the same guy.  ::MonkeyShocked::

 This was about a year and a half ago or two years but it did happen.  If they show his photo, I can remember how he looked and recognize him.  It was discussed slightly at the time as a part of how it is so impossible for there to be corruption in the justice department of these islands.  Of course, we all now know what a bunch of hooey all that was.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:09:20 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59084.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Stein new Advocate General Aruba

4 Jul, 2009, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - Taco Stein, the new Advocate General of Aruba. The State Cabinet Friday agreed with his proposal. The appointment is at 1 September, 2009. Stein is now Acting Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles. He is the chief item on St. Maarten. Previously he worked for the Public Ministry in the Netherlands. In the National Public Prosecutor, he was charged with cybercrime. This includes child pornography and fraud under.

  ::MonkeyEek::

I think in this case "charged" means that he was responsible for investigating/prosecuting those crimes; or I sure hope so anyway!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::
  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Good morning, All!


Actually, I'm not so sure about that.  There was a prosecutor from NL Antilles who was charged with having child porn on his computer when he sold it.  It was stored in the recycle bin but not deleted.  He gave some lame excuse about it being there but think he was actually charged anyway but not much of any sentencing if any.

I sure hope this is not the same guy.  ::MonkeyShocked::

 This was about a year and a half ago or two years but it did happen.  If they show his photo, I can remember how he looked and recognize him.  It was discussed slightly at the time as a part of how it is so impossible for there to be corruption in the justice department of these islands.  Of course, we all now know what a bunch of hooey all that was.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:KPKRSsy3OOFM7M:http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/archief%2520nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/2007/2007-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/taco%2520stein.jpg)

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-09-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-09-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/TacoSteinSeptember2007-1.jpg)

Google translation:

Automation established for each other's islands

Taco Stein

Philipsburg - The process of the Public Prosecutor (OM) to fully automate progressing.
Head Officer of Justice in St. Maarten Taco Stein expects that within a year to upgrade the system for payment of fines is ready, that an old process of duplication fell.

Stein said that a team of experts at work and that all current and future records stored electronically and will be shared with others in the West. (Amigoe)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:35:28 PM
August 2008

http://www.navyleague.org/public_relations/aug2008/082708-StMaartenCouncil-Crime-Prevention-Cmtee.php

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/TacoStein082908.jpg)

St. Maarten/St. Martin Council takes active role in community's crime prevention efforts

St. Maarten/St.Martin -- Two top local island officials have joined the St. Maarten/St.Martin Council's efforts to help stamp our crime in the community and ensure the dual nation island commonly referred to as "The Friendly Island' remains that way. Judge Wilfred Manning, a long-time St. Maarten resident has joined the Executive Board of the St. Maarten/St. Martin Navy League Council and will chair the Council’s Crime Prevention Committee.  Public Prosecutor Taco Stein has agreed to serve as special advisor to the board and Crime Prevention Committee stressing the need for more preventative measures and activities on the island such as neighborhood watches, hotline phone numbers that get responses, and programs that help keep youth on the right track.

The local council helps fund crime prevention activities and related youth activities. Council President Lloyd Tackling and the Navy League's National Vice President for International Affairs Dr. Jack Stevens, an island resident, said the council will follow the lead of Judge Manning and the advice of Prosecutor Stein in working with the law enforcement and other government agencies. Stein recently gave a presentation to the council's board on the state of crime on the island and ways and means of reducing it.

National Vice President Dr. Jack Stevens, (left) local Council President Lloyd Tackling, Public Prosecutor Taco Stein and Crime Prevention Committee Chairman Judge Wilfred Manning

"It is unreasonable to expect government to solve all of the challenges we, as a community, face in this area," said Tackling. "The Navy League will work with government agencies and officials and with any and all organizations on both the Dutch and French sides of the island to maintain a safe and friendly environment for our residents and our guests," echoed Stevens.

Council leaders along with Manning and Stein are encouraging local residents, business leaders and organizations interested in receiving the crime prevention presentation or joining the efforts to maintain a safe and friendly environment and to provide more opportunities for our youth to contact the Navy League office by e-mail: navyleague@sintmaarten.net, by fax. 599-548-3156, or by phone: 599-548-3211.
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2009, 01:50:41 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 05, 2009, 02:24:38 PM


wreck's trainwreck is back!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

YEH!!!!! Finally!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Edward on July 05, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
LAS VEGAS -- A Democratic congressman at the World Series of Poker to rally support for legalizing and regulating Internet gambling says he thinks he can get a bill passed by next year.

Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts told nearly 1,700 players Sunday at the no-limit Texas Hold 'em main event that he viewed Internet gambling as a right that must be protected.

Phil Hellmuth, an 11-time gold bracelet winner at series who won the main event 20 years ago, says online gambling will grow worldwide regardless of whether U.S. lawmakers soften their stance.

A 2006 law prohibits financial institutions from taking credit card payments, checks or electronic transfers to settle online wagers. The Justice Department viewed Internet gambling as illegal even before that.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/05/rep-barney-frank-optimistic-online-gambling-world-series-poker/?test=latestnews


It all begins in Aruba.... Aruba became a sovereign nation to protect the Netherlands from lawsuits and to create for Aruba, its online gambling empire protected under its own structure of government that creates laws recognised by the united nations. The Mansurs sit in the middle of this. That is why the Netherlands has never quite let go of Aruba..
It is all about BIG Money, as always. Greed
Barney, is prolly in the Larger group..mo.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Edward on July 05, 2009, 08:59:24 PM
US report: The US Congress and internet gaming
 
Gambling is currently one of the fastest growing forms of entertainment in the world, particularly now when governments, including various states in the U.S., are exploring other means to produce revenue. Internet gambling, however, has not been provided an opportunity for expansion and in fact U.S. policy continues to restrict some of the world’s most respected companies from being competitive in this industry. This is in spite of statistics that show an estimated 1,800 gaming websites with a projected gross income of $4.3 billion for 2003.

3 times that amount today.. And continues to grow.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Edward on July 05, 2009, 09:30:46 PM
1994

- The Free Trade and Processing Zone Act, 1994 is passed by the government of Antigua-Barbuda. Many online casinos and sports books today operate under licenses granted pursuant to this legislation and Antigua-Barbuda remains one of the online gambling industry's most popular licensing jurisdictions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 05, 2009, 11:29:36 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 05, 2009, 11:49:05 PM
Barny Frank and Joran in the same sentence ........ things that make you go--"hmmmmmmm".  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on July 06, 2009, 12:01:36 AM
Hope that all of my Monkey buddies had a great 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was busy with my family and this week my daughter will have a serious thorasic spinal surgery. Please say some prayers for her and try not to post too much while I'm gone.
Hotping- Still NO rain but predictions are good for this week. We had a drizzle last week and only pissed off the dust.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have a great week and SEND NATALIE HOME< NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cajun Miracle    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 06, 2009, 12:07:43 AM
Hope that all of my Monkey buddies had a great 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was busy with my family and this week my daughter will have a serious thorasic spinal surgery. Please say some prayers for her and try not to post too much while I'm gone.
Hotping- Still NO rain but predictions are good for this week. We had a drizzle last week and only pissed off the dust.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have a great week and SEND NATALIE HOME< NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cajun Miracle    ::MonkeyAngel::
God Bless your daughter and your family -- we are all praying for her!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on July 06, 2009, 12:15:34 AM
Hope that all of my Monkey buddies had a great 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was busy with my family and this week my daughter will have a serious thorasic spinal surgery. Please say some prayers for her and try not to post too much while I'm gone.
Hotping- Still NO rain but predictions are good for this week. We had a drizzle last week and only pissed off the dust.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have a great week and SEND NATALIE HOME< NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cajun Miracle    ::MonkeyAngel::
God Bless your daughter and your family -- we are all praying for her!

Thanks Wreck. Hope you're well and had a great 4th. Also glad that you're sending us some rain soon! You were hogging all of that good stuff.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 06, 2009, 12:19:01 AM
Hope that all of my Monkey buddies had a great 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was busy with my family and this week my daughter will have a serious thorasic spinal surgery. Please say some prayers for her and try not to post too much while I'm gone.
Hotping- Still NO rain but predictions are good for this week. We had a drizzle last week and only pissed off the dust.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have a great week and SEND NATALIE HOME< NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cajun Miracle    ::MonkeyAngel::
God Bless your daughter and your family -- we are all praying for her!

Thanks Wreck. Hope you're well and had a great 4th. Also glad that you're sending us some rain soon! You were hogging all of that good stuff.
We have had more rain than usual this summer so far ------ it rained a little this morning and we may get a little more tonight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on July 06, 2009, 12:34:38 AM
Hope that all of my Monkey buddies had a great 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was busy with my family and this week my daughter will have a serious thorasic spinal surgery. Please say some prayers for her and try not to post too much while I'm gone.
Hotping- Still NO rain but predictions are good for this week. We had a drizzle last week and only pissed off the dust.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have a great week and SEND NATALIE HOME< NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cajun Miracle    ::MonkeyAngel::
God Bless your daughter and your family -- we are all praying for her!

Thanks Wreck. Hope you're well and had a great 4th. Also glad that you're sending us some rain soon! You were hogging all of that good stuff.
We have had more rain than usual this summer so far ------ it rained a little this morning and we may get a little more tonight!

You've had some really bad weather and we have had a drought with temps in the 100's with heat indeces of 105-114! It's been unreal in our area and everything is brown or dead.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 06, 2009, 01:12:00 AM
Beth Holloway gets it!  She comprehends perfectly who the enmy is.

Janet

++++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway]

Page 185:
  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 06, 2009, 01:14:50 AM
Hope that all of my Monkey buddies had a great 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was busy with my family and this week my daughter will have a serious thorasic spinal surgery. Please say some prayers for her and try not to post too much while I'm gone.
Hotping- Still NO rain but predictions are good for this week. We had a drizzle last week and only pissed off the dust.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have a great week and SEND NATALIE HOME< NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cajun Miracle    ::MonkeyAngel::

I have just added "cajun miracle's daughter" to my prayer list.

Take care.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 06, 2009, 01:16:08 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:15 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 02:37:32 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 06, 2009, 06:08:06 AM
Hope that all of my Monkey buddies had a great 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was busy with my family and this week my daughter will have a serious thorasic spinal surgery. Please say some prayers for her and try not to post too much while I'm gone.
Hotping- Still NO rain but predictions are good for this week. We had a drizzle last week and only pissed off the dust.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have a great week and SEND NATALIE HOME< NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cajun Miracle    ::MonkeyAngel::

I will say a prayer for your daughter that everything goes well with her surgery.  Keep us updated on how she is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 06, 2009, 06:10:06 AM
Everyone have a great day.

Hi Ho Hi Ho , Its Off To Work I Go!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 06, 2009, 08:16:38 AM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-09-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/TacoSteinSeptember2007-1.jpg)

Google translation:

Automation established for each other's islands

Taco Stein

Philipsburg - The process of the Public Prosecutor (OM) to fully automate progressing.
Head Officer of Justice in St. Maarten Taco Stein expects that within a year to upgrade the system for payment of fines is ready, that an old process of duplication fell.

Stein said that a team of experts at work and that all current and future records stored electronically and will be shared with others in the West. (Amigoe)


Good Morning, Monkeys,

No, this is not the one with the porn in his Recycle bin.  He had quite a lot of blonde or gray hair, couldn't tell from the photo but was very light colored hair.  When I can get to my other computer, I will look for the articles about that.  So hopefully this is the one who charged him but there is a member of the judicial system in the islands who was charged with this.  

Never know when to keep an article as it so often comes up later in some context or other.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 06, 2009, 10:04:22 AM
Has anyone heard that the handsome Peter deVries has a mention of Natalee in the new ads for his program?  I hope it is not just a repeat and think he may be gong to give an update on the Kalpoes' trial. 

Perhaps it will help them understand our system.

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 06, 2009, 10:45:49 AM
   \/         ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:23:08 AM
Hope that all of my Monkey buddies had a great 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was busy with my family and this week my daughter will have a serious thorasic spinal surgery. Please say some prayers for her and try not to post too much while I'm gone.
Hotping- Still NO rain but predictions are good for this week. We had a drizzle last week and only pissed off the dust.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have a great week and SEND NATALIE HOME< NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cajun Miracle    ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope all goes well this week with your daughter's surgery!  You will all be in my thoughts and prayers, please update us when you can!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 06, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
A REMINDER

A COVERUP TO PROTECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT?  YOU BE THE JUDGE!

I honestly do not believe that the death of Natalee Holloway was intended.  I suspect that Natalee's unintended death occurred during the course of planned wrongdoing by Joran van der Sloot and others ... planned wrongdoing for which there had never been any legal accountability in the past.

Hey ... there was even photos of past wrongdoing which involved Joran, Deepak, Satish and Freddie but ... Aruban justice for the victim was not forthcoming.

No accountability implies other "Natalees" are at risk by those who believe the legal boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to them.
________

SUSPICIONS - PREVIOUS SEXUAL ASSAULT?

Aruban Attorney - FOX News - September 01, 2005


The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html

.
Aruban Attorney - At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA , FAMILY'S ARUBAN ATTORNEY: The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested.  The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.


'Scarborough Country' - August 26, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.  What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

The Prosecutor immediate appealed the judge's decision to release the boys and the Court of Appeals had to arrange a date for hearing.  Joran's attorney announced, as a Dutch citizen, Joran would be allowed to go off to Holland to start college.  At some unknown time prior to this Freddy had been quietly released without charges being brought


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on July 06, 2009, 03:07:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/NiU43R3LMXg&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca

Deepak Kalpoe:  The gardener.. .They wanted to burn the gardener also, but they didn't.
http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg3script.htm

Deepak Kalpoe: That’s what I mean,  we know much more.
http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg8script.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on July 06, 2009, 04:14:27 PM
Thanks all. I'll try to post later during the week. It's going to be a BIG surgery but it will turn out great. I just know it. Prayers are so appreciated.
Keep up the fight for Natalee and I'll catch up when I return.
Cajun Miracle  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 06, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
Thanks all. I'll try to post later during the week. It's going to be a BIG surgery but it will turn out great. I just know it. Prayers are so appreciated.
Keep up the fight for Natalee and I'll catch up when I return.
Cajun Miracle  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::   We've got those prayers covered.  We'll be here. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 06, 2009, 07:52:10 PM
Today in Natalee Holloway history;


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/06/

Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch and John Merryweather on Scarborough Country tonight at 10PM
Tonight on Scarborough Country at 10:05, John Merryweather is supposed to be interviewed. Merryweather was one of the organizers of yesterdays anti-American media and anti-Beth Holloway-Twitty comments demonstration in front of the Court House. This may prove to be a volatile interview as the demonstration yesterday was basically aimed against a grieving mother and her desperate comments who hasn’t seen her daughter in over 30 days.

Also, Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch is going to be interviewed by Joe at 10:15 with regards to the Natalee Holloway search. As seen previously on CNN, Tim Miller has made some pretty amazing comments with regards to Natalee.

According to sources Tim Miller will discuss the container they seem to have located on the North side of the island about 1/2 mile out in the ocean. They are supposed to dive tomorrow to see what they have located.  

This hopes to be an interesting interview and maybe some more information will come out as a follow up from the CNN interview the other night.

>>> UPPDATE: Video of John Merryweather from MSNBC courtesy of The Political Teen





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 06, 2009, 11:06:56 PM
Today in Natalee Holloway history;


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/06/

Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch and John Merryweather on Scarborough Country tonight at 10PM
Tonight on Scarborough Country at 10:05, John Merryweather is supposed to be interviewed. Merryweather was one of the organizers of yesterdays anti-American media and anti-Beth Holloway-Twitty comments demonstration in front of the Court House. This may prove to be a volatile interview as the demonstration yesterday was basically aimed against a grieving mother and her desperate comments who hasn’t seen her daughter in over 30 days.

Also, Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch is going to be interviewed by Joe at 10:15 with regards to the Natalee Holloway search. As seen previously on CNN, Tim Miller has made some pretty amazing comments with regards to Natalee.

According to sources Tim Miller will discuss the container they seem to have located on the North side of the island about 1/2 mile out in the ocean. They are supposed to dive tomorrow to see what they have located.  

This hopes to be an interesting interview and maybe some more information will come out as a follow up from the CNN interview the other night.

>>> UPPDATE: Video of John Merryweather from MSNBC courtesy of The Political Teen





This container was reported on the North side of the island......the container/cage found by the Persistence was also on the North side?   My mind just wants to say south, I guess because it's off the coast on the Venezuela side.     ::MonkeyConfused::

Good to see you, sharon.   Hope you had a rockin' 4th.   ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:19:30 PM
Today in Natalee Holloway history;


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/06/

Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch and John Merryweather on Scarborough Country tonight at 10PM
Tonight on Scarborough Country at 10:05, John Merryweather is supposed to be interviewed. Merryweather was one of the organizers of yesterdays anti-American media and anti-Beth Holloway-Twitty comments demonstration in front of the Court House. This may prove to be a volatile interview as the demonstration yesterday was basically aimed against a grieving mother and her desperate comments who hasn’t seen her daughter in over 30 days.

Also, Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch is going to be interviewed by Joe at 10:15 with regards to the Natalee Holloway search. As seen previously on CNN, Tim Miller has made some pretty amazing comments with regards to Natalee.

According to sources Tim Miller will discuss the container they seem to have located on the North side of the island about 1/2 mile out in the ocean. They are supposed to dive tomorrow to see what they have located.  

This hopes to be an interesting interview and maybe some more information will come out as a follow up from the CNN interview the other night.

>>> UPPDATE: Video of John Merryweather from MSNBC courtesy of The Political Teen


Thanks Sharon, good to see you!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:21:24 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59146.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Aruba to Queen on rijkswet Court

6 Jul, 2009, 13:22 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The plenipotentiary Frido Croes of Aruba has an audience with Queen Beatrix asked about violating the Statute by the Netherlands by adopting the rijkswet consensus on the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. A conversation with the presidents of the First and Second Chamber is scheduled.

Behind the scenes, it is official level by Aruba and the Netherlands produced pressure after the State Cabinet last week Friday rijkswet adopted despite strong objections from Aruba. The law has been to the Lower House. The vote was the plenipotentiary protest presence. Croes said to be disappointed in the Netherlands and the Antilles. "The rush to the law, it is greater than the urge to find a solution," said the Minister for the World.

Aruba is not only dissatisfied with the seat of the Court in Curaçao, but that these are the agreements that the Netherlands has failed to fulfill the subject of the temporary nature of the rijkswet. These arrangements have been made during the judicial consultation between Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles in June last year. Aruba favors kingdom-wide system for the judicial system. This instead of a separate organization for the Caribbean part of the Kingdom as in the consensus rijkswet is governed. It was then that the current rijkswet after five years would be reviewed with a view to a possible introduction of a kingdom-wide organization. Aruba had liked these agreements in the notes to the consensus rijkswet included. That did not happen.

Aruba is especially pleased that the rijkswet affects the autonomy of the country. It is specifically for the Aruban court that under the new judicial system must be covered. For example, the official position that Aruba the day before the rijkswet was treated again at the State Ministers offered: "It is neither the letter nor the spirit of the statute consistent in finding that the dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles is used as an argument in Aruba in the well-functioning and independent political organization of the judicial system in the first instance, just as in the Netherlands, to intervene. " Netherlands, if so, the Aruban government has deliberately violated the Statute and the Government ask yourself what the value of the Statute now has.
Plenipotentiary Minister Croes said the World to fear that more decisions will be printed: "It would be annoying if Aruba is the victim of agreements between the country Netherlands Antilles and the Netherlands."

The decision on the Joint Court also has relations with the West on sharply put, said Croes. Just before the meeting of Ministers of the Empire, it seemed that the Ministers of Justice, Rudy Croes (MEP) and David Dick (PAR) were found together in a joint position. This was ultimately based on a misunderstanding. The Antilles Aruba has not supported calls the Plenipotentiary Minister Croes' very annoying for the relationship between neighbors.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:26:25 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59144.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Lifelong required in case Macuarima

6 Jul, 2009, 13:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Lifelong demanded the Public Prosecutor (OM) at the end of last week against the triple murder suspect Eugene Lampe (27). According to the prosecution psychiatrists have confirmed that Lampe in each case, "partly responsible" may be held for his actions. Moreover, as the officer, the chance that he will again commit such a crime. For the community to protect against this danger, for that would Lampe never released.

On Friday, April 4, 2008 were in their house in the neighborhood in Santa Cruz Macuarima three members of family killed Lampe: Father Juan (60), mother Aura (57) and son Edvard (30). The drug-addicted son Eugene was immediately arrested and later known in detail the murder of his family members. He would be a piece of wood his father, then his brother and finally his mother beaten until they no longer gave signs of life. Then he put their bodies on fire. He did so because his own father, mother and brother he wanted to destroy it under curatorship and the Dominican Republic would send to be homosexual. "The only guilty of what happened is my family," said Eugene a few months ago.

Eugene Lampe was psychological evaluation to the Pieter Baan Centrum in the Netherlands, where he has research 'partly responsible' was held for the murders. He would not have bad influence of so-called command hallucinations. But would he be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and dangerous to his environment. The court shall, within two weeks.


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Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:32:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59141.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Police guidelines for political events

6 Jul, 2009, 13:15 (GMT -04:00)


¬ ORANGE CITY - The Police Corps Aruba (KPA) has decided to guidelines for applying for permits for political events. These guidelines should ensure that these activities are orderly and safely.

The elections for the Parliament of Aruba will be held on September 25 and the political campaigns are started. In recent weeks were more different openings party buildings, music events and car parades. "The perception is that highest good of our democratic system, freedom of expression," said the Corps. The new guidelines, the police this' highest good 'protection.

One of the situations that the police want, is that political parties on the same day and near each other activity. This would be a danger in terms of public order and safety of visitors. Here, in principle, no permits for granted. In granting licenses that meet the above conditions, the error occurred, please try again.

An application must be at least ten days before the date of the event at the KPA to be done. The authorization can be revoked by the police if it is in the interest of public order. If the event is held with music, this time on the specified stop put and does not cause nuisance to local residents. Peak Noise must not exceed 95 decibels, according to police.

On Sundays and Thursdays, and on holidays when a normal school or working, we should not permit issued for an event which ends on a date later than ten o'clock in the evening. On other days, no license issued for an event that ends on a date later than one hour. At the conclusion of the public road must be an alternative route for road users. Deposition Materials must both night are clearly visible.

During the event must be sufficient staff are present and not alcohol or other drug use before or during the event. Also, there is sufficient monitoring, given the number of visitors to the event. Portable toilets and rubbish bins should be sufficiently present. Alcoholic drinks may only in plastic cups, plastic bottles or cans sold or served. After the event, the holder any rubbish on the road behind, cleaning up.

Demonstration
In the event a permit is requested for a parade or demonstration, it must be finished before sunset. The route is in agreement with the Traffic Section of the district and if a parade or demonstration which goes through several districts should be consultation with the district of Santa Cruz (central assessment point). Monitoring and supervision take place motorcyclists of the KPA. A parade may not in the vicinity of the hospital, medical centers, hotel sites and homes go. This also applies to schools throughout the school and rooms for prayer or reflection meetings during the prayer or reflection meeting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 06, 2009, 11:37:29 PM
Today in Natalee Holloway history;


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/06/

Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch and John Merryweather on Scarborough Country tonight at 10PM
Tonight on Scarborough Country at 10:05, John Merryweather is supposed to be interviewed. Merryweather was one of the organizers of yesterdays anti-American media and anti-Beth Holloway-Twitty comments demonstration in front of the Court House. This may prove to be a volatile interview as the demonstration yesterday was basically aimed against a grieving mother and her desperate comments who hasn’t seen her daughter in over 30 days.

Also, Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch is going to be interviewed by Joe at 10:15 with regards to the Natalee Holloway search. As seen previously on CNN, Tim Miller has made some pretty amazing comments with regards to Natalee.

According to sources Tim Miller will discuss the container they seem to have located on the North side of the island about 1/2 mile out in the ocean. They are supposed to dive tomorrow to see what they have located.  

This hopes to be an interesting interview and maybe some more information will come out as a follow up from the CNN interview the other night.

>>> UPPDATE: Video of John Merryweather from MSNBC courtesy of The Political Teen





Hi Sharon.  It has been a while.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The following is the transcript to the Scarborough interview you were referring to.  The entire transcript is an excellent read in regards to a few aspects of the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

++++++++


'Scarborough Country' for July 6
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show
updated 8:11 a.m. PT, Thurs., July 7, 2005


Guest: Randy Hammer, Stacey Honowitz, Tim Miller, Paul Reynolds, Linda Allison, John Merryweather, Bernard Goldberg

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:38:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59142.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Massive brawl in Bubali

6 Jul, 2009, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A party was given by a football club SV Bubali to raise funds has resulted in a major brawl, in which two people were beaten in the hospital. Sunday night were two groups to attack each other with stones, machetes and even bat with the result that one of the victims to the intensive care and had an immediate operation was subjected to a piece of his kidney removal.

The police have M.J.C. (28), R.R. (23), R.M.A. (23), V.N.T. (25) and A.D.G. (24) arrested for public violence, whether or not using a weapon. Initially it was assumed that the brawl was gang related. Later, it appeared to run out of argument in relation to atmosphere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:41:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59135.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Armed robbery in Santa Cruz

6 Jul, 2009, 13:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The Taco Bell in Santa Cruz is Saturday morning by a man armed robberies. After employees of the fast food restaurant by the power outage last Friday had gone home early, they were Saturday morning the cash to closing. When an armed man walked inside the case, for a short time later with a booty of between 3000 and 4000 florin to leave. Some workers recognized the man as a colleague and gave him to the police. The robbery team arrested the man later in the Middenweg to Orange City.

It was also made a raid in a house at the Sibelius Street. The investigation in this case is still ongoing, since the loot made money is not found and the police involvement of several persons in this armed robbery can not exclude.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:45:43 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59133.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Year in prison for threatening a jailer

6 Jul, 2009, 13:02 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Rafael Janga was last week sentenced to 12 months unconditional imprisonment for threatening a jailer. This is six months less than the requirement of the Public Prosecutor (OM).

The OM had demanded 18 months because of threats, armed robbery, possession of ammunition in the cell and drug possession. The Court considered only the allegation of threat proved. For the other offenses was insufficient evidence, said the judge. On January 13, 2009 Endangered Janga for a bar in San Nicolas prison guard KIA with a firearm. When the police caught him he tried his arms to come. He was on the ground and kicked it under a parked car. Witnesses saw it happen and agents assigned to the arms.

Janga's claim that a group of employees of the KIA 'on him for "the court found no evidence. The court found the extra weight that Janga a government official has threatened.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:49:03 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59132.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Quarrel after Power failure

6 Jul, 2009, 13:01 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police had Friday night to a hotel on Palm Beach where employees of a casino had problems with their manager. This required them to continue working even though there was no electricity, just like the rest of the island. The workers refused because there was not enough light and warm. Also they are concerned about safety. The manager wanted to know nothing, and the staff, the police enabled. The agents tried to convince the manager again, but that proved vain. They were then the manager at the casino to close.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 06, 2009, 11:50:06 PM
Today in Natalee Holloway history;


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/06/

Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch and John Merryweather on Scarborough Country tonight at 10PM
Tonight on Scarborough Country at 10:05, John Merryweather is supposed to be interviewed. Merryweather was one of the organizers of yesterdays anti-American media and anti-Beth Holloway-Twitty comments demonstration in front of the Court House. This may prove to be a volatile interview as the demonstration yesterday was basically aimed against a grieving mother and her desperate comments who hasn’t seen her daughter in over 30 days.

Also, Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch is going to be interviewed by Joe at 10:15 with regards to the Natalee Holloway search. As seen previously on CNN, Tim Miller has made some pretty amazing comments with regards to Natalee.

According to sources Tim Miller will discuss the container they seem to have located on the North side of the island about 1/2 mile out in the ocean. They are supposed to dive tomorrow to see what they have located.  

This hopes to be an interesting interview and maybe some more information will come out as a follow up from the CNN interview the other night.

>>> UPPDATE: Video of John Merryweather from MSNBC courtesy of The Political Teen





Hi Sharon.  It has been a while.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The following is the transcript to the Scarborough interview you were referring to.  The entire transcript is an excellent read in regards to a few aspects of the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

++++++++


'Scarborough Country' for July 6
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show
updated 8:11 a.m. PT, Thurs., July 7, 2005


Guest: Randy Hammer, Stacey Honowitz, Tim Miller, Paul Reynolds, Linda Allison, John Merryweather, Bernard Goldberg

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/

From the above transcripts...It is very interesting Mr.Merryweather. ::MonkeyCool::

Mr.Merryweather

"This is a small island and everybody is involved here and everybody is just as frustrated in another way maybe.  But we want also—we want to have closure.  And we would rather have closure that Natalee be found alive safe and well and go back to the states, but, in any event, closure, because this is disrupting the island totally."

"But,in any event,closure"..Tell me Mr. Merryweather doesn't know what happened to Natalee Holloway!Me thinks Mr.Merryweather knows if she's deceased at this point..JMOO!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:54:37 PM



Don't get me started on Mr. Merryweather!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2009, 11:57:53 PM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:01:22 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::





Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 12:02:44 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59132.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Quarrel after Power failure

6 Jul, 2009, 13:01 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police had Friday night to a hotel on Palm Beach where employees of a casino had problems with their manager. This required them to continue working even though there was no electricity, just like the rest of the island. The workers refused because there was not enough light and warm. Also they are concerned about safety. The manager wanted to know nothing, and the staff, the police enabled. The agents tried to convince the manager again, but that proved vain. They were then the manager at the casino to close.

Did any lights come back since Friday?   We were on a cruise once that stopped in Cozumel.  We had plans to eat, etc. and the whole town lost power.  We waited for about an hour or so and then went back to the ship.  It wasn't worth the wait, but rather a waste of time.  Stuff happens.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:06:07 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59132.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Quarrel after Power failure

6 Jul, 2009, 13:01 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police had Friday night to a hotel on Palm Beach where employees of a casino had problems with their manager. This required them to continue working even though there was no electricity, just like the rest of the island. The workers refused because there was not enough light and warm. Also they are concerned about safety. The manager wanted to know nothing, and the staff, the police enabled. The agents tried to convince the manager again, but that proved vain. They were then the manager at the casino to close.

Did any lights come back since Friday?   We were on a cruise once that stopped in Cozumel.  We had plans to eat, etc. and the whole town lost power.  We waited for about an hour or so and then went back to the ship.  It wasn't worth the wait, but rather a waste of time.  Stuff happens.   

Yes, but many were without power for quite a while from my understanding.  Over night and into the next day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:07:45 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59132.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Quarrel after Power failure

6 Jul, 2009, 13:01 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police had Friday night to a hotel on Palm Beach where employees of a casino had problems with their manager. This required them to continue working even though there was no electricity, just like the rest of the island. The workers refused because there was not enough light and warm. Also they are concerned about safety. The manager wanted to know nothing, and the staff, the police enabled. The agents tried to convince the manager again, but that proved vain. They were then the manager at the casino to close.

Did any lights come back since Friday?   We were on a cruise once that stopped in Cozumel.  We had plans to eat, etc. and the whole town lost power.  We waited for about an hour or so and then went back to the ship.  It wasn't worth the wait, but rather a waste of time.  Stuff happens.   

Yes, but many were without power for quite a while from my understanding.  Over night and into the next day.

Either some drug,and or human trafficking going on or someone was dumpin a body..Ya think? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:12:48 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm far from calm...believe me.  The more I dig into some things the more questions and anger I have.  One of my big questions is where some in a certain family's money comes from.  Me thinks it didn't all come from a restaurant and fishing charter business.  What does a young man in his twenties do for a living on Aruba that earns him $250,000 a year?  Interesting huh?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:14:33 AM
SCARBOROUGH:  Where is the container?  Do you --  do you have something that looks like a manmade container that is actually at the bottom of the ocean? 

MILLER:  Well, it is at the bottom of the ocean.  It appears to be something like that.  And, again, we are not getting people excited.  We may have some other equipment coming in from the states to, you know, research this a little bit more and get a better look at it.

But our divers are going in tomorrow.  Hopefully, we can—we can get it and we can—we can bring it up.  And, you know, it's—this whole thing is a process of elimination and we are just now trying to eliminate things.  I mean, there was an area on land that we were excited about that truly looked like it could possibly be a fresh grave site.  They took dogs up there.  They showed some type of an interest and dug into it.  And it was nothing.  So, you know, there's a lot of highs and lows

...

Are we talking the same cage/trap?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:16:25 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59132.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Quarrel after Power failure

6 Jul, 2009, 13:01 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police had Friday night to a hotel on Palm Beach where employees of a casino had problems with their manager. This required them to continue working even though there was no electricity, just like the rest of the island. The workers refused because there was not enough light and warm. Also they are concerned about safety. The manager wanted to know nothing, and the staff, the police enabled. The agents tried to convince the manager again, but that proved vain. They were then the manager at the casino to close.

Did any lights come back since Friday?   We were on a cruise once that stopped in Cozumel.  We had plans to eat, etc. and the whole town lost power.  We waited for about an hour or so and then went back to the ship.  It wasn't worth the wait, but rather a waste of time.  Stuff happens.   

Yes, but many were without power for quite a while from my understanding.  Over night and into the next day.

Either some drug,and or human trafficking going on or someone was dumpin a body..Ya think? ::MonkeyCool::

Wouldn't surprise me!   ::MonkeyDevil::

IIRC it had been seven years since they'd had a total blackout.  I think there's been some issues with labor relations within the power company too.  Not saying that is what it was all about....just sayin'.

The outage was blamed on a lightning strike to some equipment, I posted the Amigoe article a day or two ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 07, 2009, 12:17:46 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::





Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::
You prompted me to check out Musings!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:19:38 AM
Did ya get up to date on the Dolce scenario Wreck?If ya didn't...Ya may need some time but,start on page #57 in musings,and or TM can give ya a short version!She will probably put it a little more eloquently then i.. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:19:57 AM
SCARBOROUGH:  Where is the container?  Do you --  do you have something that looks like a manmade container that is actually at the bottom of the ocean? 

MILLER:  Well, it is at the bottom of the ocean.  It appears to be something like that.  And, again, we are not getting people excited.  We may have some other equipment coming in from the states to, you know, research this a little bit more and get a better look at it.

But our divers are going in tomorrow.  Hopefully, we can—we can get it and we can—we can bring it up.  And, you know, it's—this whole thing is a process of elimination and we are just now trying to eliminate things.  I mean, there was an area on land that we were excited about that truly looked like it could possibly be a fresh grave site.  They took dogs up there.  They showed some type of an interest and dug into it.  And it was nothing.  So, you know, there's a lot of highs and lows

...

Are we talking the same cage/trap?


I don't think so.  Without looking back I'm thinking this may have been the one that was concrete?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:22:10 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::
You prompted me to check out Musings!


 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Sorry wreck, I didn't even think about your not knowing!  I would have said something.  KTF is right, start at about page 57.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 12:23:48 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm far from calm...believe me.  The more I dig into some things the more questions and anger I have.  One of my big questions is where some in a certain family's money comes from.  Me thinks it didn't all come from a restaurant and fishing charter business.  What does a young man in his twenties do for a living on Aruba that earns him $250,000 a year?  Interesting huh?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And has a freakin' yacht....very interesting, TM.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:24:13 AM
Did ya get up to date on the Dolce scenario Wreck?If ya didn't...Ya may need some time but,start on page #57 in musings,and or TM can give ya a short version!She will probably put it a little more eloquently then i.. ::MonkeyDevil::

This time, I REALLY doubt it!    ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:25:20 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm far from calm...believe me.  The more I dig into some things the more questions and anger I have.  One of my big questions is where some in a certain family's money comes from.  Me thinks it didn't all come from a restaurant and fishing charter business.  What does a young man in his twenties do for a living on Aruba that earns him $250,000 a year?  Interesting huh?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And has a freakin' yacht....very interesting, TM.   

Which one's got a yacht?Is it a Minnow.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 12:27:16 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59132.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Quarrel after Power failure

6 Jul, 2009, 13:01 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police had Friday night to a hotel on Palm Beach where employees of a casino had problems with their manager. This required them to continue working even though there was no electricity, just like the rest of the island. The workers refused because there was not enough light and warm. Also they are concerned about safety. The manager wanted to know nothing, and the staff, the police enabled. The agents tried to convince the manager again, but that proved vain. They were then the manager at the casino to close.

Did any lights come back since Friday?   We were on a cruise once that stopped in Cozumel.  We had plans to eat, etc. and the whole town lost power.  We waited for about an hour or so and then went back to the ship.  It wasn't worth the wait, but rather a waste of time.  Stuff happens.   

Yes, but many were without power for quite a while from my understanding.  Over night and into the next day.

Either some drug,and or human trafficking going on or someone was dumpin a body..Ya think? ::MonkeyCool::

Wouldn't surprise me!   ::MonkeyDevil::

IIRC it had been seven years since they'd had a total blackout.  I think there's been some issues with labor relations within the power company too.  Not saying that is what it was all about....just sayin'.

The outage was blamed on a lightning strike to some equipment, I posted the Amigoe article a day or two ago.

Nothing like being on vacation on one happy island (oh)...and have the lights go out.  Labor relations within the power company or not, it's not good for tourism....they never learn.   Oh, well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:27:54 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm far from calm...believe me.  The more I dig into some things the more questions and anger I have.  One of my big questions is where some in a certain family's money comes from.  Me thinks it didn't all come from a restaurant and fishing charter business.  What does a young man in his twenties do for a living on Aruba that earns him $250,000 a year?  Interesting huh?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And has a freakin' yacht....very interesting, TM.   

Yes, and take a good look at the property where they live.  The last address I've seen for John Merryweather is for sale, and it looks like his last known wife (Stella) may be in Venezuela from my research.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 12:28:48 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm far from calm...believe me.  The more I dig into some things the more questions and anger I have.  One of my big questions is where some in a certain family's money comes from.  Me thinks it didn't all come from a restaurant and fishing charter business.  What does a young man in his twenties do for a living on Aruba that earns him $250,000 a year?  Interesting huh?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And has a freakin' yacht....very interesting, TM.   

Which one's got a yacht?Is it a Minnow.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Phillip Merryweather mentioned it....it's in the AHATA thread somewhere. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:29:32 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59132.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Quarrel after Power failure

6 Jul, 2009, 13:01 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police had Friday night to a hotel on Palm Beach where employees of a casino had problems with their manager. This required them to continue working even though there was no electricity, just like the rest of the island. The workers refused because there was not enough light and warm. Also they are concerned about safety. The manager wanted to know nothing, and the staff, the police enabled. The agents tried to convince the manager again, but that proved vain. They were then the manager at the casino to close.

Did any lights come back since Friday?   We were on a cruise once that stopped in Cozumel.  We had plans to eat, etc. and the whole town lost power.  We waited for about an hour or so and then went back to the ship.  It wasn't worth the wait, but rather a waste of time.  Stuff happens.   

Yes, but many were without power for quite a while from my understanding.  Over night and into the next day.

Either some drug,and or human trafficking going on or someone was dumpin a body..Ya think? ::MonkeyCool::

Wouldn't surprise me!   ::MonkeyDevil::

IIRC it had been seven years since they'd had a total blackout.  I think there's been some issues with labor relations within the power company too.  Not saying that is what it was all about....just sayin'.

The outage was blamed on a lightning strike to some equipment, I posted the Amigoe article a day or two ago.

Nothing like being on vacation on one happy island (oh)...and have the lights go out.  Labor relations within the power company or not, it's not good for tourism....they never learn.   Oh, well.

They said the hotels had generators, how adequate they were I don't know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:31:56 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm far from calm...believe me.  The more I dig into some things the more questions and anger I have.  One of my big questions is where some in a certain family's money comes from.  Me thinks it didn't all come from a restaurant and fishing charter business.  What does a young man in his twenties do for a living on Aruba that earns him $250,000 a year?  Interesting huh?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And has a freakin' yacht....very interesting, TM.   

Which one's got a yacht?Is it a Minnow.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wouldn't say that at all, brb!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 12:34:56 AM
In Cozumel, when they had the blackout, we stood in front of a CnC's and they had no generator.  People who had already entered could stay, but no one else could enter.  There was still some day light while we waited, but by 8pm we just decided that the town was going to be dark for a while.  Hotels, I can see having this backup, but I would wonder about other establishments....I just don't know about Aruba...never have been, and don't plan on it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:37:37 AM
I went to the Ahata thread and think i may get more fired up then TM when i see the direct correlation between Marlene Purcell & Antonio Carlo...Seriously!And why are those from BFN entertaining any of these people? ::MonkeyNoNo::

"The election process was assisted by Dr. Ryan Peterson, Universidad di Aruba, attorney Antonio Carlo and Marlene Purcell, Salamander Holdings under the supervision of consultant Jaap Beaujon."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:39:35 AM
In Cozumel, when they had the blackout, we stood in front of a CnC's and they had no generator.  People who had already entered could stay, but no one else could enter.  There was still some day light while we waited, but by 8pm we just decided that the town was going to be dark for a while.  Hotels, I can see having this backup, but I would wonder about other establishments....I just don't know about Aruba...never have been, and don't plan on it.

2nj at CnC's... ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 12:40:07 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm far from calm...believe me.  The more I dig into some things the more questions and anger I have.  One of my big questions is where some in a certain family's money comes from.  Me thinks it didn't all come from a restaurant and fishing charter business.  What does a young man in his twenties do for a living on Aruba that earns him $250,000 a year?  Interesting huh?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And has a freakin' yacht....very interesting, TM.   

Which one's got a yacht?Is it a Minnow.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wouldn't say that at all, brb!   ::MonkeyWink::



http://www.myspace.com/pmerryweather

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=83702282&albumId=1919803

(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/67/l_27917fedbc8bdc33ffe73b6c1afdad28.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:51:01 AM


Good to see you KTF!  I'm glad you were a good sport and watched LMN with your girlfriend over the holiday.  Thanks for letting us know about the advertisement for the movie.  I'm glad they are showing Natalee's movie again!  I hope they continue to show it over, and over, and over!

  ::MonkeyCool::


Been Lurkin.. ::MonkeyWink:: Figured if the Dolce fiasco hadn't gotten ya fired up maybe i could help! ::MonkeyHaHa:: You've been very calm lately! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm far from calm...believe me.  The more I dig into some things the more questions and anger I have.  One of my big questions is where some in a certain family's money comes from.  Me thinks it didn't all come from a restaurant and fishing charter business.  What does a young man in his twenties do for a living on Aruba that earns him $250,000 a year?  Interesting huh?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And has a freakin' yacht....very interesting, TM.   

Which one's got a yacht?Is it a Minnow.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wouldn't say that at all, brb!   ::MonkeyWink::



http://www.myspace.com/pmerryweather

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=83702282&albumId=1919803

(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/67/l_27917fedbc8bdc33ffe73b6c1afdad28.jpg)

That sure wouldn't fit in the bathtub... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 07, 2009, 12:56:05 AM
Did ya get up to date on the Dolce scenario Wreck?If ya didn't...Ya may need some time but,start on page #57 in musings,and or TM can give ya a short version!She will probably put it a little more eloquently then i.. ::MonkeyDevil::
I went back to pg. 57 and caught up!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 12:57:41 AM
In Cozumel, when they had the blackout, we stood in front of a CnC's and they had no generator.  People who had already entered could stay, but no one else could enter.  There was still some day light while we waited, but by 8pm we just decided that the town was going to be dark for a while.  Hotels, I can see having this backup, but I would wonder about other establishments....I just don't know about Aruba...never have been, and don't plan on it.

2nj at CnC's... ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Never have been inside one in my life.  Was on the street across from one.  Had been shopping with our group of friends and all the stores had no lights. 

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 12:58:09 AM
Did ya get up to date on the Dolce scenario Wreck?If ya didn't...Ya may need some time but,start on page #57 in musings,and or TM can give ya a short version!She will probably put it a little more eloquently then i.. ::MonkeyDevil::
I went back to pg. 57 and caught up!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyRoll::



Some people.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 12:59:56 AM
Goodnight.  I'll see you later.

Cajun Miracle, I see you up there....hope all goes well with your daughter's surgery. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 01:02:13 AM
In Cozumel, when they had the blackout, we stood in front of a CnC's and they had no generator.  People who had already entered could stay, but no one else could enter.  There was still some day light while we waited, but by 8pm we just decided that the town was going to be dark for a while.  Hotels, I can see having this backup, but I would wonder about other establishments....I just don't know about Aruba...never have been, and don't plan on it.

2nj at CnC's... ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Never have been inside one in my life.  Was on the street across from one.  Had been shopping with our group of friends and all the stores had no lights. 

 ::MonkeyTongue::

What happens in Cozumel..stay's in Cozumel..JK 2nj ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 01:20:21 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 01:32:46 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night KTF! 

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 01:35:09 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2009, 02:27:27 AM
WOW!!

Keepthefaith ... until I read your post ... I did not have a clue what was going on in the Musing Thread.  I have been reading for the past hour.

Unbelieveable!!!

Janet
11:21 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 03:52:45 AM
7/6/2009 Aruba Today Page 6

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

Freddy (top center pic)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/07062009ArubaTodayPage6Freddy-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2009, 09:32:11 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

For the most part ... I will be off until next week.  Family wedding this weekend and ... relatives from out of town are beginning to arrive today.

Janet
6:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2009, 09:42:20 AM
Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 191
:  Considering all that I have learned about the "One Happy Island" of Aruba, I cannot ignore the possibility that she was there, right under everybody's noses while we were scouring the beaches for her.  In fact, the main suspects in the case had more than enough time and influence to turn this entire ordeal into a game of cat and mouse.  It was all happening right out in the open.  The Arubans and the Dutch knew what had happened to Natalee.  The signs were all there, but the Americans were being deceived with lies.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2009, 09:52:48 AM
Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 193/194:
  It is not surprising that the (Prosecutor's) statement focused on Natalee’s mothing, Beth, as well as "people from the United States" who need to be questioned again.  They say that this time they will do it "more profoundly."  There is an obvious omission.  They fail to mention the three main suspects, the boys who were the last people to be seen with Natalee, who have told so many different and conflicting versions of their night with her.

The impression the statement gives is that the investigation team is diligently pursuing the truth in Natalee's case when, in fact, it appears that they have done just about everything they can to divert attention away from those who should be scrutinized the most.

Hopefully, they will see the error of their ways and reinterview the people most likely responsible for Natalee's disappearance as "profoundly" as they plan to question the innocent American tourists.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Patriot on July 07, 2009, 10:36:45 AM
7/6/2009 Aruba Today Page 6

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

Freddy (top center pic)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/07062009ArubaTodayPage6Freddy-1.jpg)

Also on Page 7 is a pic of Freddy. Looks like he has a new bartending job...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2009, 10:37:44 AM
Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 194:
  Our demand for a new team of investigators received a response that was directed to Bob Riley, the governor of Alabama.

The Department of Foreign Affairs in Aruba basically let us know that the commissioner of police was appoint by the Dutch government, and that the chief prosecutor leading the investigation and the general prosecutor were appointed by the Kingdom Government in the Hague; therefore, because of the separation of powers, the government of Aruba has no authority to intervene in the investigation, and the attorney general stated that she did not have the authority to dismiss the current investigative teams – only  the Hague could do that.

We were shocked.  In all these months and with all of our direct dealings with investigators, prosecutors, and government officials, we had never once been directed to the Hague to seek help.  All this time we had been led to believe that those individuals with the complete authority to conduct and supervise the investigation into Natalee's disappearance were already working on her case.

Now, after all this time and all of our efforts, we have come to the realization that we have been going in circles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 10:47:15 AM
  Valero Said to Begin Shutdown of Aruba Oil Refinery Tomorrow

By Barbara Powell and Aaron Clark

July 6 (Bloomberg) -- Valero Energy Corp. will begin shutting down units at its Aruba refinery tomorrow as part of planned maintenance for 60 days to 90 days, people familiar with the refinery’s operations said.

The company said on June 11 that it would close the plant for up to three months by early July for “economic reasons” and to make repairs. All the units will be stopped by July 16, said the people familiar, who declined to be identified because they are not authorized to speak for the refinery.

Bill Day, a Valero spokesman, said he could confirm only that the company plans “to start shutting down units in the early part of this month.”

The Aruba plant, which doesn’t make finished gasoline, is struggling because profit margins for refining distillates, such as heating oil and diesel, are “very low.” Valero has been trying to find a buyer for the refinery, which is its third largest. In November 2007, the company said it hired UBS Investment Bank to help sell the refinery.

The refinery can process 275,000 barrels of oil a day. It uses lower-cost, heavy sour crude oil, according to the company’s Web site. The distillates and intermediate stocks it produces are sold into U.S., South America and European markets.

Aruba provides feedstock for gasoline-making fluid catalytic crackers at some of Valero’s 16 North American refineries.

To contact the reporter on this story: Barbara Powell in Dallas at Bpowell4@bloomberg.net; Aaron Clark in New York at aclark27@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: July 6, 2009 17:05 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601207&sid=arIpMlm6IpNQ#

 


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2009, 10:57:48 AM
Dave Holloway no longer "stands strong" behind the decision of his elected representatives in the United States in their call for a travel boycott Aruba and ... His good friend, Mark Purcell, approves.  According to Robin Holloway ... it is now about the"innocent" people of Aruba ... not the safety of American tourists.

Why Dave?  Why?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

++++++


Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 194/195:
  On November 8, 2005, alabama Governor Bob Rile held a televised press conference with Beth and Jug Twitty at his side during which he called for a travel boycott of Aruba.  He also urged all fifty states to back him in the boycott, stating, "Until their lack of law enforcement practices can be evalutation, and until they offer some resolution in the Natalee's case, tourists are not safe in Aruba or any Dutch Territories."

While I still had mixed feelings about a boycott, I stood strong in supporting my government in any decisions they made.  The people of Aruba have elected their officials, and their officials have spoken.  We elect our officials, and they have decided what is necessary for the people.


ROBIN HOLLOWAY - June 19, 2007

The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (MARK PURCELL) – JUNE 19, 2007

Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on July 07, 2009, 02:26:11 PM
Goodnight.  I'll see you later.

Cajun Miracle, I see you up there....hope all goes well with your daughter's surgery. 



Thanks 2MJ. I'm leaving late tonight for her hospital, a few hours away. We'll know late this afternoon, what time is the surgery. Anyone want to dogsit all of my dogs?

OH MY Sh#T!! I checked musings and I'm in shock.   ::MonkeyShocked:: What's wrong with people??

Hey, Hotping & Wreck, We started getting rain last night and it hasn't stopped yet. Yipppeeee!!   ::MonkeyDance:: It's been in the 70s all day and such a relief. 100s in June are NOT our norm.

Question?? Do hospitals have wireless access? Don't do much traveling and I could bring my laptop.

BRING Natalee home!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2009, 02:35:27 PM
Hi cajun miracle

I will be thinking about you today.  This must be a nightmare for you.  No matter the age of our grown children ... they are still our children and ... our hearts will alway break when all is not right with their world.  We are mothers.

I do not know if hospitals have wireless but ... I would think so.

Be safe on the road and ... keep us updated when possible.

God Bless

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
7/6/2009 Aruba Today Page 6

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

Freddy (top center pic)

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Also on Page 7 is a pic of Freddy. Looks like he has a new bartending job...

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:02:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59229.php

Google translation:

Aruba

UNICEF: Tsunami of violence in region

7 Jul, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/07-aruba-nils-kastberg-_tl_.gif)
UNICEF Director Nils Berg cabinet

ORANGE CITY - During the visit of UNICEF Regional Director Nils Berg cabinet, the Swede for his concerns about the apparent increasing violence in the region where children suffer from it. This' tsunami of violence "as he describes, does not begin on the street, says Berg cabinet. "It starts primarily at home and at school, just two places that offer children protection."

Berg cabinet for the second time in a short time in Aruba to raise the rights of the child as in international treaty of the United Nations is established. The Convention for 20 years and the UNICEF Director for Latin America and the Caribbean is particularly strong for more coordination in the region of children. Exchange of information and cooperation in the implementation of the CRC are high on his agenda. Aruba doing it well. Infant mortality is one of the lowest in the region. Yet not everything is in order. Namely the lack of data on other areas to make a comparison, says Berg cabinet. "Maybe that information is there, but it is not structured and through a channel available."

An increase in violence in the region should stop everybody, not just a government contribution, says the UNICEF Director. "It is a change of mentality." Education plays an important role in preventing children victims of violence or crime in the world brings. Wardrobe Berg believes that risk behavior of young people especially can be eliminated, if the kids have fun at school. Teachers play a very important role and it must also take responsibility, he says: "Sometimes creating teachers on how many students they have to remain seated. But imagine that a doctor would. That this opschept on how many patients he has not healed. You can imagine what the reaction will be. "

At the end, the community is always the bill, even if the rights of the child to ignore, so concludes cabinet Berg. He is therefore convinced that the implementation of the CRC is ultimately cheaper for the whole community. Thus he explains that not every child goes to school, risky behavior may be present and even in crime can arrive. The costs to the community will ultimately be higher than for example the introduction of education, says cabinet Berg. Aruba know as one of the few countries in the world, no schooling. The argument of the government for years that the first cross, such as adequate funding and bemensing, need to be introduced before the school can be.

Last Friday, UNICEF said the Director, the Aruban Committee on the progress of the implementation of the CRC report, with politicians and NGOs. Political parties were in any case that the importance of children an equal place in society to award their own party interests rises. A national plan for this land would soon have to come, will find other Ady Thijsen group of ruling party MEP. Wardrobe Berg emphasizes that the conventions for children and also the recent convention for people with disabilities are only the beginning. "If we talk about human rights, then we're not talking about the ceiling, but the establishment of a soil, a floor."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:05:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59230.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Three years required for extortion 2.5 tonnes

7 Jul, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) demanded last Friday, three-year unconditional imprisonment of the suspects Oduber and Calderon. The pair is suspected of extortion of the family Van der Kuyps. The duo tried the family by means of threat, intimidation and violence to 250,000 florin cheated.

The two, according to Justice in the period from 27 February 2009 to 14 March 2009 relatives of the deceased lawyer Van der Kuyps threatened. Also they have used violence in order to obtain 2.5 tonnes. During a phone call would have demanded money and threatened: "If not, then there blood flows." Evidence of the threat was delivered by a more recording on the answering machine of the family. Here was a threat to voice the family would be slightly affected if they do not pay. " Writing was squeezed off the family to pay 250,000 florin. Finally, the police appeared to have made recordings of telephone threats.

Both suspects tried to blame each other in the shoes and refused to move the other as' mastermind '. It is now up to the court to determine the truth. According to Calderon, he called on the widow of instruction Oduber. It's to scare. Oduber Calderon maintains that he had ordered so no. He stated that he was good friends with the deceased Van der Kuyps and that they were business partners. Van der Kuyps has him 'to choke' and now there are creditors looking for him. According to Van der Oduber Kuyps 60,000 florin him guilty. In addition, creditors of Van der Kuyps now Oduber knock. "While I know nothing." According to the family Oduber lying and he knows very well what is going on. "

The Court saw in the statement of the suspect enough reason to be very angry, and want the money back. The threat of the family is unacceptable according to the court and provides a lot of fear and unrest. Thus we find the family on the advice of the police for some time hiding in a hotel. They also require reimbursement of hotel costs of the two. This represents more than 3,000 florin. "We have no more peace", so let the family Van der Kuyps know. The judge is ruling on July 9.



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Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:08:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59227.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Unclear conclusion Valero

7 Jul, 2009, 14:29 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - It is still not clear when exactly the cessation of the activities of the Valero refinery begins. According to several American publications, including The San Antonio Express, the conclusion has now begun. But both the local spokesman for Valero, Mariane Arends-Croes, Bill Day, head of media relations for Valero if no specific information. "I have not received notice that it would start today," said Croes, while Day refers to previous statements of the company, which says that the shutdown at the beginning of this month started and in the same month will be complete.


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Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:12:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59228.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Director Elmar: No friction with staff

7 Jul, 2009, 14:29 (GMT -04:00)

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Director Robert Henriquez Elmar morning denied the allegations of union UEA.


ORANGE CITY - The newly launched Elmar Director Robert Henriquez held a press conference this morning in which he denies that there is a conflict between him and the staff of the utility.

Coby Geerman President of UEA union had about a dictatorship since the arrival of Henriquez. The Director would be a long time do not want to table with the union. According to Henriquez these allegations are not correct. "I talk regularly with my work and am also planning to once a month in the field visits to go, so to see where everyone is just dealing. For employees to get to know. The relationship between the staff and me is very good. "The new director is also Geerman can not judge because the union president is not" on a daily basis' in the business. Moreover, Geerman three weeks on vacation. Henriquez came on June 1 in service as director.

Last week there was unrest among the staff of the Energy and members of the union electricians (UEA). A checkout assistant had committed fraud and was fired. Members but also non-members of the union did not agree with this dismissal. Last week said President of UEA, Coby Geerman that he is not human to find someone in this way to dismiss. "The checkout assistant did not agree to defend," said Geerman.

Director Henriquez said then: "I am special to the plant in San Nicolas went to the personal assistant to answer them. Also, I had all the evidence with me to show that this person had money stolen. This allowed me to see and then the employee is dismissed. "

Henriquez said to understand that this person has a family he must maintain. "But it was the employee rather than have to think before they took the money away." It goes to an amount of 1900 florin. The employee was fraud from the beginning of this year. The employee stole money from customers who had paid their current account. "I find it unfortunate that it has expired and that this means someone already lost twenty years in service for Elmar," said Henriquez.


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Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:14:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59225.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Five years in prison for stabbing down with scissors

7 Jul, 2009, 14:27 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Eric de Cuba was Friday sentenced to five years in prison for attempted murder. At the end of last year he tried with a scissors to a man's life to. The Public Prosecutor (OM) had seven years in prison and demanded compensation.

The victim was 279 florin assigned.

The put Cuba in December 2008 a pair of scissors in the throat of the victim. This came this close to life. A piece of the scissors was found and seized as evidence. Although Cuba initially denied responsibility and then claimed by drugs and alcohol 'are nothing of the incident to remember, do DNA research that the perpetrator was. De Cuba, known as a drug addict, had argued for a lower sentence. He would kick and before two years in the Dominican Republic to stay.



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Post by: Blue Moon on July 07, 2009, 06:16:38 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

For the most part ... I will be off until next week.  Family wedding this weekend and ... relatives from out of town are beginning to arrive today.

Janet
6:30 AM PT


Have a good one Janet.  Enjoy the wedding and the relatives.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 06:17:35 PM
The Pimps always have to have someone available to drug their victims...Looks like Freddy stepped up to the plate.It's One Sick Island i tell ya...  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 07, 2009, 06:20:32 PM
Goodnight.  I'll see you later.

Cajun Miracle, I see you up there....hope all goes well with your daughter's surgery. 



Thanks 2MJ. I'm leaving late tonight for her hospital, a few hours away. We'll know late this afternoon, what time is the surgery. Anyone want to dogsit all of my dogs?

OH MY Sh#T!! I checked musings and I'm in shock.   ::MonkeyShocked:: What's wrong with people??

Hey, Hotping & Wreck, We started getting rain last night and it hasn't stopped yet. Yipppeeee!!   ::MonkeyDance:: It's been in the 70s all day and such a relief. 100s in June are NOT our norm.

Question?? Do hospitals have wireless access? Don't do much traveling and I could bring my laptop.

BRING Natalee home!!!!!!!

Will say a special prayer for your loved one.  It is scary to have to have that kind of surgery but it is also extremely amazing what modern medicine can do today compared to just 10 years ago. 

Hospitals  usually do not allow even a cell phone on in the hospital.  But while waiting in the waiting room for my sisters operation I did use the cell phone but turned it off when I stepped outside that room

Good luck and will be be thinking of you and your daughter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:23:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59223.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Brothers tackle knife from drunk man

7 Jul, 2009, 14:24 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - In one of the apartments of the Jaracomplex in Savaneta last Friday was a cross party place. Agents found the 43-year-old A. C. with injuries to his chest. He had two sons of his neighbors had fought with him. C. refused to have anything to say. The agents then went to talk with buurjongens J. D. (21) and J. D. (20). This indicated that C. drunk and under the influence of drugs with a knife and walked out was that it sticker he had been arrested. Another witness knew their story to confirm. The ambulance was called and C. was taken to the medical center in San Nicolas for his wounds to treat. Of the agents gave him the advice to contact the police, should he wish to return.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 06:23:41 PM
The Pimps always have to have someone available to drug their victims...Looks like Freddy stepped up to the plate.It's One Sick Island i tell ya...  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or,maybe the elders know they can count on Freddy to supply them with drugged women.......Just sayin.What say you Paulus?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 07, 2009, 06:24:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59229.php

Google translation:

Aruba

UNICEF: Tsunami of violence in region

7 Jul, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

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UNICEF Director Nils Berg cabinet

ORANGE CITY - During the visit of UNICEF Regional Director Nils Berg cabinet, the Swede for his concerns about the apparent increasing violence in the region where children suffer from it. This' tsunami of violence "as he describes, does not begin on the street, says Berg cabinet. "It starts primarily at home and at school, just two places that offer children protection."

Berg cabinet for the second time in a short time in Aruba to raise the rights of the child as in international treaty of the United Nations is established. The Convention for 20 years and the UNICEF Director for Latin America and the Caribbean is particularly strong for more coordination in the region of children. Exchange of information and cooperation in the implementation of the CRC are high on his agenda. Aruba doing it well. Infant mortality is one of the lowest in the region. Yet not everything is in order. Namely the lack of data on other areas to make a comparison, says Berg cabinet. "Maybe that information is there, but it is not structured and through a channel available."

An increase in violence in the region should stop everybody, not just a government contribution, says the UNICEF Director. "It is a change of mentality." Education plays an important role in preventing children victims of violence or crime in the world brings. Wardrobe Berg believes that risk behavior of young people especially can be eliminated, if the kids have fun at school. Teachers play a very important role and it must also take responsibility, he says: "Sometimes creating teachers on how many students they have to remain seated. But imagine that a doctor would. That this opschept on how many patients he has not healed. You can imagine what the reaction will be. "

At the end, the community is always the bill, even if the rights of the child to ignore, so concludes cabinet Berg. He is therefore convinced that the implementation of the CRC is ultimately cheaper for the whole community. Thus he explains that not every child goes to school, risky behavior may be present and even in crime can arrive. The costs to the community will ultimately be higher than for example the introduction of education, says cabinet Berg. Aruba know as one of the few countries in the world, no schooling. The argument of the government for years that the first cross, such as adequate funding and bemensing, need to be introduced before the school can be.

Last Friday, UNICEF said the Director, the Aruban Committee on the progress of the implementation of the CRC report, with politicians and NGOs. Political parties were in any case that the importance of children an equal place in society to award their own party interests rises. A national plan for this land would soon have to come, will find other Ady Thijsen group of ruling party MEP. Wardrobe Berg emphasizes that the conventions for children and also the recent convention for people with disabilities are only the beginning. "If we talk about human rights, then we're not talking about the ceiling, but the establishment of a soil, a floor."


Ya know, I am getting very tired of listening to these people talk about violence.  Why don't someone just do something about it and shut up.  I have an idea, they can start by doing something about Natalee Holloway.  I think that is a good starting point.


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Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:32:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59222.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Depressive brother threatened with knife

7 Jul, 2009, 14:22 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Friday police were out to Piedra Plat, where a man his sister was threatened with a knife. M.L. (41) expressed its deep concern to the agents who had been severely depressed because her brother RL (31) with a knife started to swing. The day before he would have tried to commit suicide. The agents tried to talk to the man, but just wanted them to say that he has no problems with the police. Then he is in his room. The agents were no different than the family members to advise professional help.



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Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:36:41 PM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 06:53:59 PM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you want me to go get my song?    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:57:32 PM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you want me to go get my song?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


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Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 06:59:35 PM
7/7/2009 Aruba Today Page 2

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

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Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 07:08:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59118.php

Oprah’s husband helps Curaçao-youngsters

4 Jul, 2009, 10:32 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD — Stedman Graham, the husband of the American television hostess Oprah Winfrey, will visit Curaçao this autumn for an empowerment-seminar for youngsters. The event is an initiative of ‘DutchVersity’, an organization, which rather considers cultural diversity within a community as a change than a problem. The organization also wants to help find employment for youngsters in cooperation with a number of companies, and has a scholarship for two youngsters.

By our colleague
Otti Thomas

DutchVersity, founded by the 23-year old Dionne Abdoelhafiezkhan, has already been successful in the Netherlands. By means of a magazine, a radio program, and various events, the message is broadcasted that the Netherlands has become prosperous, thanks to an attitude of tolerance and nerve. According to the organization, that attitude has unfortunately changed into an attitude of intolerance and anxiety for other cultures. Sportsmen/sportswomen, business people, and persons from the entertainment sector, such Jorgen Raymann, have meanwhile joined DutchVersity. There is also the cooperation with the Martin Luther King Jr. Foundation. The Mayor of Amsterdam, Job Cohen, received a Martin Luther King Award from DutchVersity last year; the first one awarded outside the United States. He received this in view of his attempts to reconcile various cultures. According to Ron Abdoelhafiezkhan, who is also involved with the organization as the founder’s father, DutchVersity chose for Curaçao as too many Antilleans consider themselves second-class citizens in the Netherlands, which is partially due to unilateral news coverage in the media. “We must breach this, as the Netherlands could become a kind of South Africa. The image is also misperceiving as many people from Curaçao are of course successful, but one must not wait for assistance from the government. This will not happen”, says Aboeldhafiezkhan. “The Netherlands offer many opportunities if you believe in yourself, and employ your chances and qualities.”

Open for others
DutchVersity will announce its message on Curaçao in the same manner as the Netherlands, namely through a seminar, performances, and cooperations with companies. Stedman Graham was not chosen as speaker because he has been Oprah Winfrey’s steady partner for the past twenty years. Graham is a successful executive and author. His latest book ‘Diversity-Leaders not Labels’, states that people opening themselves up for others, will be more successful than people stigmatizing others.

DutchVersity has also approached various companies, amongst others UTS, with the purpose to seek jobs for unemployed youngsters on Curaçao. The scholarships are for the prestigious Nyenrode University in the Netherlands, and the Emory University in the American state Atlanta. During the next days, it will eventually become clear on which dates the activities of DutchVersity will take place, but this will probably be towards the end of September, beginning October.

 


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Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 07:13:15 PM
I know the translated version of this was posted, but I thought the English version was worth a repost!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59070.php

Relation with the Netherlands reaches lowest point

3 Jul, 2009, 14:10 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — The smiling faces of State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) of Kingdom Relations and the Aruban Premier Nelson Oduber on Aruba last week Monday, appeared cosmetic. The State Secretary admitted to the Lower Chamber yesterday, that the relation between both countries is very bad. She stated this during the deliberation with the permanent Chamber Committee of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruban Affairs (NAAZ). The process of dismantlement of the Netherlands Antilles and the other political reformations were evaluated during this deliberation. The World Broadcast announced that the Chamber-members expressed their concern about the situation between the Netherlands and Aruba, and what the island would still expect from the Kingdom. They are concerned about the feasibility of the final date, which the Dutch government determined for the dismantlement of the Antilles. Bijleveld supports these concerns even more, since the Aruban Parliament introduced a vote of no confidence against her on June 1st. “I am concerned about the reliability of the democracy and the constitutional state.”

Furthermore, she considers the manner in which the Aruban politicians talk about their Dutch colleagues, as ‘entirely inappropriate’. For that matter, it appears that this feeling is mutual in view of last week’s letter from the Minister Plenipotentiary Frido Croes to the Chairman of the Lower Chamber, where he complains about the conduct of the two Dutch parliamentarians. The later had called the Aruban Premier an untrustworthy governor, respectively one of the largest criminals of the island. Yesterday, Bijleveld stated that the investigation on the governing of Aruba is essential. “A number of matters simply require improvement.” The relations have worsened to such an extent, that the Chamber-members actually wonder what Aruba wants from the Kingdom, and Bijleveld agrees by stating: “To be honest, at times I also wonder about that”. In addition, the State Secretary is of the opinion that the September elections on Aruba will also influence the unpleasant atmosphere. During last week Monday’s lightning visit, it seemed that both members of government mutually agreed on the collective approach to improve the democracy and the constitutional state. It soon appeared that there was uncertainty about their individual understanding of this approach. Barely a day later, Dutch Minister of Internal Affairs and Kingdom Relations Guusje ter Horst (PvdA) announced that an investigation on possible corruption and misgovernment on Aruba would be carried out, with or without the cooperation of the Aruban government. This week, the State Secretary confirmed this decision was once again. She also indicated that the National Council of Ministers would enforce such if the worst came to the worst.

A fresh start
With regard to the investigation on corruption, government party MEP mainly reproaches the Dutch politicians with colonialism. Opposition parties on the contrary are unanimously jubilant about such an investigation, though the MEP is not thanking them for that. The yellow party has often called the opposition parties ‘collaborators’. AVP-leader Mike Eman pleaded for a fresh start in the Kingdom Relations. “That Chamber-members and the Dutch government judge and report on the Aruban government in such a manner, is actually evidence of an extraordinary poor relation between these two parts within the Kingdom. This worries me. This is not in the interest of Aruba. Eman is talking about the lowest point in the relations. “Oduber did not invest much in the relations with the Netherlands. Blackmail was of the order of the day.” AVP considers it ‘entirely unrealistic’ to think that Aruba can do without the Kingdom. “AVP also does not want that; our future is a joint future.”

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 07:13:39 PM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you want me to go get my song?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Only if a dance comes with it! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2009, 07:24:37 PM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you want me to go get my song?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Only if a dance comes with it! ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 07, 2009, 07:33:03 PM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you want me to go get my song?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Only if a dance comes with it! ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 07, 2009, 08:22:42 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 07, 2009, 09:52:06 PM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you want me to go get my song?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Only if a dance comes with it! ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)


TM, that dancer is as slow as I feel tonight.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2009, 12:24:59 AM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you want me to go get my song?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Only if a dance comes with it! ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)


TM, that dancer is as slow as I feel tonight.   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think she has just the right "rhythm" for the song 2NJ was talking about. ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/v/xt-V-Pm44wk&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 08, 2009, 12:27:42 AM


AMEN, tell it like it is KTF and Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you want me to go get my song?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Only if a dance comes with it! ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)


TM, that dancer is as slow as I feel tonight.   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think she has just the right "rhythm" for the song 2NJ was talking about. ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/hula.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/v/xt-V-Pm44wk&hl=en&fs=1&
"Winnie Cooper".......... mmmmm!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2009, 12:29:19 AM
Yep, those were the days!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 08, 2009, 12:32:18 AM
Yep, those were the days!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think "Kevin Arnold" and I were the exact same age! Great show!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2009, 02:40:05 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1237&offId=0&offDate=2009-07

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Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 07/07/2009 | horario: 06:35

ladronnan owing to break enter y steal for of car of huur of patrick van der eem staciona in the parkinglot of bestuurskantoor tuesday madruga owing to enter informe cu ladronnan owing to break enter steal for of one v-auto, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol at the sitio owing to come constata cu ladronnan owing to steal tapanan of wiel, several cd y also they wanted owing to bay cu the car but n owing to succeed. is deal here of one car cu the conocido patrick v/d eem cual is esun cu owing to let instala camara of video in his car for so graba joran v/d sloot his confesion. patrick self is of vacacion at aruba the dianan here. come across

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Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2009, 03:34:50 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 08, 2009, 09:10:17 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157:
  Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

Page 184:  Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 08, 2009, 06:47:20 PM
Well...I guess all the BS in the Musings thread is another distraction away from the research in Natalee's case...Hopefully Everyone will be back here soon to continue...

Justice for Natalee!

 ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 08, 2009, 08:00:30 PM
Well...I guess all the BS in the Musings thread is another distraction away from the research in Natalee's case...Hopefully Everyone will be back here soon to continue...

Justice for Natalee!

 ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyCool::

Not to worry hotping.  They will be back soon.  Monkeys just gotta get it outta their systems.  After all this time, after all we've been through, I don't believe one troll can change the mission of the monkeys here to find justice for Natalee.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 08, 2009, 08:02:32 PM
And I just looked up and see two more monkey advocates seeking justice for Natalee  ::MonkeyCool::  Hi Janet and 2Nj  :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 08, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
I'm here everyday, unless out of town with no computer.  It's my first stop and my last and I do my research daily, as well.      ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 08, 2009, 08:07:53 PM
Janet even contributes with a house full of wedding guests!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 08, 2009, 08:15:40 PM
And I just looked up and see two more monkey advocates seeking justice for Natalee  ::MonkeyCool::  Hi Janet and 2Nj  :2waver:

:2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 08, 2009, 08:21:14 PM
Janet even contributes with a house full of wedding guests!!!!!

Empty house today.  Guests stayed yesterday for the evening after crossing the border but ... headed into Vancouver to stay with relatives there.  However ... tomorrow and Friday more out-of-town company will be arriving and staying with us until Sunday.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on July 08, 2009, 08:36:19 PM
Just a quick update. My daughter's surgery went well but a little long. We were at the hospital at 5 AM and she was finally out of surgery and in her room by 1:30PM. She's doing well, in pain but this surgery was done from the back. If they would have had to go in from the front, they would have had to break some ribs, deflate a lung and take bone from her hips. If this surgery doesn't correct this problem, then the other damage will have to be done from the front.

Thanks for all of your prayers and kind words. I'll check back with all of you soon.
God Bless,
Cajun Miracle   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: can on July 08, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
cajun miracle - did your daughter have her surgery today?  Hope everything went well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 08, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Well...I guess all the BS in the Musings thread is another distraction away from the research in Natalee's case...Hopefully Everyone will be back here soon to continue...

Justice for Natalee!

 ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyCool::

Present and accounted for!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 08, 2009, 08:45:48 PM
I'm continuing my prayers for your daughter, Cajun Miracle. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: can on July 08, 2009, 08:46:28 PM
Just a quick update. My daughter's surgery went well but a little long. We were at the hospital at 5 AM and she was finally out of surgery and in her room by 1:30PM. She's doing well, in pain but this surgery was done from the back. If they would have had to go in from the front, they would have had to break some ribs, deflate a lung and take bone from her hips. If this surgery doesn't correct this problem, then the other damage will have to be done from the front.

Thanks for all of your prayers and kind words. I'll check back with all of you soon.
God Bless,
Cajun Miracle   ::MonkeyAngel::

Sorry cajun, I must have been posting to you and didn't see yours.  Glad to hear the surgery went well and hope this corrects the problem completely and that your daughter doesn't have to endure another surgery.
You must be worn out from the stress and your long day. 
Blessings.
can


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 08, 2009, 08:47:26 PM
Cajun, will continue the prayers for your daughter.  Keep us updated as you can.  Hang in there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 08, 2009, 08:54:25 PM
Just a quick update. My daughter's surgery went well but a little long. We were at the hospital at 5 AM and she was finally out of surgery and in her room by 1:30PM. She's doing well, in pain but this surgery was done from the back. If they would have had to go in from the front, they would have had to break some ribs, deflate a lung and take bone from her hips. If this surgery doesn't correct this problem, then the other damage will have to be done from the front.

Thanks for all of your prayers and kind words. I'll check back with all of you soon.
God Bless,
Cajun Miracle   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for the update Cajun Miracle.

I am thankful that everything went well.

God Bless

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on July 08, 2009, 10:29:49 PM
I'm continuing my prayers for your daughter, Cajun Miracle. 

Cajun Miracle. I saw your post the other day and I have continued prayers for you, your daughter and family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Kermit on July 08, 2009, 10:35:02 PM
Janet even contributes with a house full of wedding guests!!!!!

Empty house today.  Guests stayed yesterday for the evening after crossing the border but ... headed into Vancouver to stay with relatives there.  However ... tomorrow and Friday more out-of-town company will be arriving and staying with us until Sunday.

Janet

Sounds like a lot of fun!
May you have many blessings this week.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 08, 2009, 11:03:59 PM
Cajun Miracle, glad to hear the good news.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 08, 2009, 11:28:00 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::   Blessings for Cajun Miracle's daughter & her recovery. 

Goodnight, all.  See you later  (and that may be sooner than later...)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 08, 2009, 11:37:26 PM
Good Night 2NJ!  Good Night Monkeys!

Janet
8:40 PM PT

+++++


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2009, 11:40:57 PM
Good night 2NJ and Janet!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:10:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:15:06 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59285.php

Google translation:



Baby in intensive care after hours in hot car

8 Jul, 2009, 14:12 (GMT -04:00)

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A baby of nine months old yesterday four hours in a sweltering parked car over. She was a serious heatstroke and is currently in the intensive care unit.

ORANGE CITY - A father yesterday morning, nine-month-old daughter almost four hours in a sweltering car while he left behind at work. The baby was only in the lunch break free from her plight. She was unconscious at that time, had an extremely high heart rate and suffered from a sunstroke.


The girl was urgently transported to the hospital and is currently in the intensive care unit. Youth and Morals Police, the case study. Its situation on arrival in the Emergency Assistance (SEH) was according to police spokesman John Larmonie very critical. Also spokesman Bob Harms of the hospital confirmed that the baby in a life threatening condition was introduced. "They came in with convulsions and was immediately geintubeerd be. Thanks to the efforts and care of staff at the SEH led by pediatrician Eric Arends, she has it. She is still in the intensive care, but since this morning the ventilation off. She now breathes independently. That is a very good sign. "

Later today a CT scan scheduled to examine the girl neurological damage has occurred. "There is still nothing to say," says Harms. "Well she is currently stable."


Forget
The father allegedly had his wife on her work off, then his daughter to the nursery to finally bring to his work at Inland Revenue to go. In the haste is after disposing of his wife forgot his child away, and immediately run to his work. His daughter was back in a child to sleep, so he not had his child in the car was.
Only during his lunch break when he went down the elevator, he heard people talking about a baby in one of the cars in the parking lot was left behind. Then the fear hit him to the heart and he moved to his car gerend, where he found his daughter unconscious. He has direct ambulance that tried to inform the child and bring her to the ambulance to the hospital have carried.

Police spokesman Larmonie spoke in the hospital with the father which the agent "completely upset and in the war was." "What I can do," said the father himself. He could not explain, says Larmonie. Both mother and father have received the assistance Victim Foundation. It is the police spokesman the first time on the island, that a baby for so long in a car is left. "As far as I know, nobody ever come here, I know that in other countries is often done, but I have never seen something like this happened in Aruba."
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:17:38 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59284.php

Google translation:

Two officials arrested in land scandal

8 Jul, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Two officials of Department of Infrastructure and Planning (DIP) were arrested earlier this month in a major corruption scandal involving land and housing in the district Colony in San Nicolas. The Public Prosecutor (OM) confirms that the two officials have been arrested and two other people.


Justice, the case still under investigation and will not want to lose more than that they are scams. Main Suspect in Colombia, the recently deceased Elio Lopez. The man was not only working for DIP, but also a close confidant of Minister Marisol Lopez Tromp (MEP) of Education, Social Affairs and Infrastructure, as the Amigoe know from reliable sources. By use of various agents knew Lopez interested including entrepreneurs and individuals money to make. The victims thought that they can withstand very little money a piece of land, often at home in Colony bought.

These are houses that are not so long ago by Valero were leased from the government for its employees. It is in any case for at least forty houses Lopez 'under the table "of the wanted.

According to insiders, Lopez asked for an additional amount which a part, said one of the intermediaries in the campagnekas Tromp Minister would go.

Lopez was in any case that he was in close contact with the Minister that the list of candidates with a positive opinion was over.


Self-declaration
Tromp Minister confirmed some weeks ago for Radio Kelk Tree Country Recherche that the case investigation. She said self-declaration made after irregularities were detected in the housing project in Colony. They also opposed ageerde morning newspaper Diario earlier accusations against her had been expressed that the houses at a low price to a group of insiders sold or self-made gift.

According to the minister of social housing foundation FCCA houses valued and, on this basis, houses sold 'to those who qualify. As regards the irregularities, the Minister for the for more information.
The Minister also stressed that the procedure for leasehold land or houses of the government is committed and transparent. If there is also to be paid, it is always through the Department of Finance or Receiver of Taxes: "No other body or person is authorized to collect payments for Agriculture Aruba."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:25:35 AM
(The huge difference here IMO, Brinkman can support his accusations and they all know it!  ::MonkeyWink:: )

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59283.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Lampe (RED) in letter to House: "Brinkman to Pak '

8 Jul, 2009, 14:06 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - In a letter to the chairman of the Lower House Gerdi improvement (PvdA) party asks RED Rudy Lampe for "strong and resolute" to act against MP Hero Brinkman (PVV) when it is offensive exhaust on Aruba .

This based on the previous week by Lampe won civil case against Minister of Health Booshi Wever (MEP), the court in Aruba has ruled that parliamentary immunity is not absolute.

Lampe stated in his letter to Chamber improve the role of his fellow Aruban chairman Mervin Wyatt-Ras (MEP) in the State Assembly on June 1st. Wyatt-Ras would be at the discretion of the judge is not adequate protection afforded to Lampe then Minister Wever him in the parliament hall for pedophile included. To improve Lampe writes: "Based on the above, I recommend you to take action against the continuing offensive remarks of Mr Hero Brinkman, a member of the PVV group, during the Second Chamber meetings to the Aruban people and our elected representatives. Mr. Brinkman was recently released to the Prime Minister of Aruba miscall. By analogy with what the court had ruled Aruba, I believe that the personal vituperate not be tolerated during the House meetings. "

Last week accused the Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba in the Netherlands, Frido Croes (MEP) are also in a letter sent to the Chamber on statements of Brinkman and the SP-er Ronald van Raak. They called Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) and one of the biggest criminals of the island and an unreliable driver.

 
MP Lampe know in his speech supported by the legal precedent of the decision in his case against Weaver. "In my particular case the court ruled that the slang of my person by a minister during the public meeting of States 1 June, 2009 is indeed a possibility for a process against the minister, since those statements by the Minister had expressed personal dissatisfaction against my person and not related to the topic of the meeting. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:32:45 AM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59279.php

Aruba

Teen gets five years in prison

8 Jul, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The 17-year-old Anderson Figaroa was sentenced to five years imprisonment because of unconditional complicity in several armed robberies in October and November last year. At the request of the Public Prosecutor (OM), the teenager tried as an adult.

The OM Figaroa accused of complicity in several armed robberies in taxis in the period of October and November 2008. Moreover, he Justice in October electronic equipment including computers stolen from the Bon Bini College and St. Francis College.

The court held that a robbery of the taxi is not sufficient evidence that the teenager has helped them. The other facts, the court or evidence. Also, the courts at the request of the prosecutor to Figaroa as an adult trial. This is because the judge's conduct of the young criminal go from bad to worse. In August 2007 was Figaroa arrested for tasjesroof a tourist. In 2008 he was arrested for car theft and later that year so he killed the taxi robberies and even burglaries in some primary schools.

The court, the crimes of Figaroa very seriously since his actions "the security of the country have been affected" and "children have hampered in their studies. According to the court is wise 'in the country as interest in its own interest' that Figaroa treatment. The probability that his sentence after he just goes with his criminal activities, according to the court otherwise great.



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Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:34:58 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59278.php

Google translation:

Aruba

TO still on case Nashma Briceño

8 Jul, 2009, 13:56 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) is not lost on whether or not criminal prosecution of the hospital staff in case Nashma Briceño. Even on the question of whether justice is in the matter, if it is at the moment no answer.

In February, the families of Nashma Briceño declaration to the police for murder or manslaughter. The management of the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH) and the port physician service had Briceño Help arrived in the emergency and all such cases involved people from both the medical and Nursing sector, were indicted. Briceño died of a pulmonary embolism, long after the emergency had to wait. Her plastic surgeon was treating several times unsuccessfully to SEH have called for her to get emergency treatment. Last week gave Ruben Croes, care manager of the hospital, in this newspaper that there were errors made during the triage and recording of Nashma Briceño. Nurses should not 'have the flow chart and display the wrong signals have passed. "" I am not saying that they would have survived if it had gone well, but the fact remains that large errors are made, "says Croes also said that that there is really a lawsuit against the hospital is to come.



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Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:38:20 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59277.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Detective tier MPA

8 Jul, 2009, 13:53 (GMT -04:00)


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The new candidate Alix Geerman political party MPA.

ORANGE CITY - Detective Alix Geerman (34) was yesterday as a new candidate for the party proposed MPA. Geerman was born in Haiti and came to the age of thirteen on the island live. Geerman was with his sister in San Nicolas up and sat there at school. After Geerman mavo are completed, he wrote immediately to the police school.

After completion of police training, he continued to develop. Thus he began his career in the street department in Orange City. Thereafter he continued to study and to go deeper into the technical department. Currently Geerman detective and lives with his wife, two daughters and son in foster North. Party leader Monica Kock says about Geerman that he has a strong character and knows what he wants in life. "Everything Geerman so far achieved is through his dedication and effort." The new candidate says he has different goals, since he entered politics. So he strives to ensure that everyone in Aruba is treated equally regardless of their background.

Geerman also aim to facilitate the work of the police better and more flexible manner. "The work of police officers is important and I would like to wish to ensure that their work will be rewarded as it should, without the need to court action for their rights." Geerman In addition, training is very important for society. "Thanks to my training, I am so far." The candidate says quite ready for politics.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:42:09 AM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59273.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Contractor picked up not insult

8 Jul, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - emotions ran high in Caya Bista Bunita North last Monday. The 51-year-old American F.J. would a contractor with the neighbors at work, have been a blow. The contractor would be on his car park area and then J. he then wanted to appeal, would have been hit. Once officers found the 44-year-old entrepreneur HG on. They stated that J. him a rather rude way was found. This picked up G. not making it to a scuffle between the two uitliep. Both were the agents of the council with them to make a declaration.


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Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:44:22 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59274.php

Aruba

From football stadium put

8 Jul, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - A football stadium with Guillermo Trinidad last Monday was almost out of hand when a young man with the nickname Shakooi, accompanied by some members of the gang of Dakota, jumped to the field problem. Shakooi had yet to peel an apple with the two brothers play football RK and D.K. and had not only taken a few sizes, but also a stick. The coach, however, managed to knokploeg from the stadium to be removed, but not before Shakooi threatened to fetch a gun to RK and D.K. death shots. From the police were the two brothers advice to return to the search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:46:19 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59272.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Baby crying in a former hotel

8 Jul, 2009, 13:44 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - The police in Northern was last Monday night twice reports from residents of the Atlantis hotel in the small hours of a baby crying in the declining hotel had heard. Also they would have seen a car drive away. Agents were patrolling there, but found nothing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 02:47:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 09, 2009, 11:06:22 AM
Good Morning All.

After three days of rain in the Fraser Valley ... I awoke to the morning sun peeking through the blinds.  It is so uplifting.  I hope it keeps up.  Although ... there is a backup plan ... the wedding this weekend is taking place outdoors.

Janet
8:05 AM PT


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Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 06:02:01 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59359.php

Google translation:

Valero Wednesday close

9 Jul, 2009, 14:24 (GMT -04:00)

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Valero refinery in San Nicolas is next Wednesday, for now temporarily closed.

SAN NICOLAS - Oil Valero stops next week Wednesday under the current planning scheme with produce. The company will in the coming months dealing with maintenance that Valero will cost many millions of dollars.

On Monday arrived Martin Parish, Vice President Regional Operations of the Texas Refinery in Aruba for business spending for the next time to discuss. There would be agreed that in the next three to four months with a maximum of 25 million dollars per month in the refinery is down, reports a source within the refinery. Valero spokesman Bill Day from San Antonia would neither confirm nor deny that Parish currently resides on the island and one million will be invested. "I have at this time about those figures." According to Day, there is no 'specific' list of what exactly the refinery maintenance to be made. "Well, there are some cases where we go and see where we will go on to repair when it is not operational," said the spokesman.



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Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 06:09:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59354.php

Google translation:

Aruba

'Forgotten' baby out of intensive care

9 Jul, 2009, 14:18 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - The baby last Tuesday for hours in a car was left behind, the good. The nine-month-old girl breathing again independently, a CT scan and is no longer stunned. The father that her car had forgotten, remains at large.

"They respond normally and her condition is stable," said hospital spokesman Bob Harms. Or the girl has suffered neurological damage will be only in the long term remains to be proven. It is in any case released from the intensive care unit and now resides in the children's department. Harms stressed that the child through the eye of the needle is gone. "It is life-threatening situation here arrived. She had convulsions and a high heart rate, symptoms of heatstroke type you often see long-distance runners. In such cases, quick action is crucial. "

The father of the girl is not arrested. "We have no reason to arrest. Agents of childhood and morality police, I understand that the interview with the man revealed that he is not evil in the sentence was "so late police spokesman John Larmonie know. The Youth Corps and Vice Squad (KJZP) would have been in anticipation of how the state of the baby would develop. "Was the baby to death we would probably have to arrest," said Larmonie. "Thank God it's right."




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Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59355.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Three quarters marriages ending in divorce

9 Jul, 2009, 14:18 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Of all marriages ending in Aruba closed 75 per cent in a divorce. That figure, the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) yesterday announced the launch of the government project Bo sa unda bo ta yiu? (do you know where your child uithangt?).

With this project, the government wants to prevent young people derail. It focuses on parents who are more aware of the risks to be their offspring are, and how they can ensure that their child is well developed. The importance of education are underlined. The main objective of the project is the relationship between parent and child to improve, says Minister of Education, Social Affairs and Infrastructure, Marisol Lopez Tromp (MEP). Tractor in this whole Department of Social Affairs, but the project involved the majority of organizations, both from outside and within the government that young people do.

The CBS was yesterday again the statistics seen passing on the young, but other figures showing that the Aruban youth over the years more and more risk to derail. Thus, the likelihood that children in single-parent family growing up enormous, given that three quarters of the marriages on a separation prejudice. Two years ago showed that figure already alarming when the Common Court of Justice announced that Aruba is more segregated than in the whole of the Antilles. The exact figure of last year, CBS has not yet published. In 2007 it was 531 times married and there were 417 divorces. "Children who grow up in families whose father or mother lives somewhere else, are particularly vulnerable," said interim director Martijn Bar Stein of CBS.

Teenage pregnancies
Another major problem remains the high number of teenage pregnancies in Aruba, says Bar Stein. This is ten times as high as in the Netherlands (12.1 percent versus 1.1 percent). In comparison with the Netherlands Antilles (9 percent), the Aruban figure higher. Two Dutch students medicine research were to Aruba looking for critically ill newborn babies, however, came to an even higher figure than CBS. They calculate a percentage of 12.6, and are not the details of home deliveries included. In the CBS figure this is the case. The two students had no link between the high baby mortality rate in Aruba and the number of teenage pregnancies, but were a major concern. The younger the mother is, the more chance of complications during pregnancy and birth. It also takes the risk of a premature baby to.

Bar Stein yesterday expressed his concerns. Eleven percent of the Aruban teen mother and known figures that only 30 percent even after the birth to school. Moreover Vrijthoff less than half of young people safe. The likelihood that teenagers get pregnant, early school leaving and risk behaviors have been greatly, as did the authorities yesterday also appear. Some bright, the results from the Youth Lifestyle study showing that most young people, although something to answer, but it usually does not serious offenses, compared with Dutch adolescents. However, it appeared earlier in this study that relatively many young people suffering from mental problems.

Poverty
Another risk factor for youth is the increasing number of people around is not financially. Twenty percent of the poorest families make together for only 5 percent of national income. The increasing aging of the labor market - in 1960 comprised 40 percent of the population of young people between 0 and 14 years compared with 23.2 percent in 2000 - also the pressure on young people. Aruba can not afford that part of the youth to develop an unhealthy way, says Minister Tromp. Parents play a big role, but one major problem is lack of parental supervision because both parents must work. "The last time we are increasingly young people run away from home," says Tromp.

The government is now on the basis of house to house leaflets about drugs, sexuality, friendship, internet and other information for parents. Also, there are large billboards and posters for parents with a project to publish and in the buses running spots.




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Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 06:13:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59353.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Armed robbery at Rising Dragon

9 Jul, 2009, 14:17 (GMT -04:00)


SAN NICOLAS - The Raising Dragon Chinese restaurant in Savaneta is around eleven o'clock last night robbed by three armed intruders. The robbery was money, cigarettes and drink captured. The owner of the Chinese police were alert immediately after the attackers had left the building. These were soon on the spot and then the environment uitgekamd, looking for criminals. The robbers are still on the run. The special team of robbery Aruba Police Corps, the case study.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 06:17:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59330.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Tourism Conference site attracts 400 visitors

9 Jul, 2009, 12:14 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-site-persconferent.gif)
 
Minister of Tourism snort Edison talks about the conference site in October with more than four hundred visitors will attract.

ORANGE CITY - More than four hundred influential people from the end of October to travel to Aruba for the annual conference of the Society of Incentive and Travel Executives (Site). Delegations from around the world take part in workshops, roundtables, networking evenings and gala dinners. The conference begins on October 30 and runs until November 2.

The ATA and Tourism Tourist Organization Ahata work together to organize the event. Yesterday was a press conference as the beginning of the campaign to inform the public about the importance of the congress tourism on the island. As part of this campaign, a documentary about the run-up to the conference. Various speakers from industry, ATA, and Ahata Minister Edison snort (MEP) of Tourism and Transport in the documentary to the floor. Moreover, the documentary offers a look back at the Site that Congress in 1993 for the first time in Aruba was held. The documentary, where he finished on broadcast television. In addition to the documentary is also a special jingle made radio commercials for the event will support. Feliciano Sjeidy of ATA explains why it is so important that the public is aware of the event: "We must together ensure that the (???? that's how it ends....)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 09, 2009, 06:40:32 PM
Well...I guess all the BS in the Musings thread is another distraction away from the research in Natalee's case...Hopefully Everyone will be back here soon to continue...

Justice for Natalee!

 ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyCool::

Not to worry hotping.  They will be back soon.  Monkeys just gotta get it outta their systems.  After all this time, after all we've been through, I don't believe one troll can change the mission of the monkeys here to find justice for Natalee.   ::MonkeyAngel::
Oh I know the Monkey's will be back...I just meant that Dolce does not deserve so much attention....She in MO was a plant to distract from any and everything that was going on on SM.....She has been exposed and anymore attention that She gets will be right up Her alley...Don't give Her what She enjoys! She looses by not even mentioning Her name! I'm really sorry that So many monkeys were hurt by Her sick mind....  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 09, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
Just a quick update. My daughter's surgery went well but a little long. We were at the hospital at 5 AM and she was finally out of surgery and in her room by 1:30PM. She's doing well, in pain but this surgery was done from the back. If they would have had to go in from the front, they would have had to break some ribs, deflate a lung and take bone from her hips. If this surgery doesn't correct this problem, then the other damage will have to be done from the front.

Thanks for all of your prayers and kind words. I'll check back with all of you soon.
God Bless,
Cajun Miracle   ::MonkeyAngel::
Cajun Miracle I'm so Happy to Hear that You Daughter is Doing Well....Isn't Prayer Wonderful!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 09, 2009, 07:12:14 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 09, 2009, 07:57:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59330.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Tourism Conference site attracts 400 visitors

9 Jul, 2009, 12:14 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-site-persconferent.gif)
 
Minister of Tourism snort Edison talks about the conference site in October with more than four hundred visitors will attract.

ORANGE CITY - More than four hundred influential people from the end of October to travel to Aruba for the annual conference of the Society of Incentive and Travel Executives (Site). Delegations from around the world take part in workshops, roundtables, networking evenings and gala dinners. The conference begins on October 30 and runs until November 2.

The ATA and Tourism Tourist Organization Ahata work together to organize the event. Yesterday was a press conference as the beginning of the campaign to inform the public about the importance of the congress tourism on the island. As part of this campaign, a documentary about the run-up to the conference. Various speakers from industry, ATA, and Ahata Minister Edison snort (MEP) of Tourism and Transport in the documentary to the floor. Moreover, the documentary offers a look back at the Site that Congress in 1993 for the first time in Aruba was held. The documentary, where he finished on broadcast television. In addition to the documentary is also a special jingle made radio commercials for the event will support. Feliciano Sjeidy of ATA explains why it is so important that the public is aware of the event: "We must together ensure that the (???? that's how it ends....)


I guess they figure we wouldn't dare show up on Aruba and boycott their event.   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Wonder if they had to give 400 guests free airfare and accommodations for showing up?   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 09, 2009, 09:28:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59330.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Tourism Conference site attracts 400 visitors

9 Jul, 2009, 12:14 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-site-persconferent.gif)
 
Minister of Tourism snort Edison talks about the conference site in October with more than four hundred visitors will attract.

ORANGE CITY - More than four hundred influential people from the end of October to travel to Aruba for the annual conference of the Society of Incentive and Travel Executives (Site). Delegations from around the world take part in workshops, roundtables, networking evenings and gala dinners. The conference begins on October 30 and runs until November 2.

The ATA and Tourism Tourist Organization Ahata work together to organize the event. Yesterday was a press conference as the beginning of the campaign to inform the public about the importance of the congress tourism on the island. As part of this campaign, a documentary about the run-up to the conference. Various speakers from industry, ATA, and Ahata Minister Edison snort (MEP) of Tourism and Transport in the documentary to the floor. Moreover, the documentary offers a look back at the Site that Congress in 1993 for the first time in Aruba was held. The documentary, where he finished on broadcast television. In addition to the documentary is also a special jingle made radio commercials for the event will support. Feliciano Sjeidy of ATA explains why it is so important that the public is aware of the event: "We must together ensure that the (???? that's how it ends....)


I guess they figure we wouldn't dare show up on Aruba and boycott their event.   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Wonder if they had to give 400 guests free airfare and accommodations for showing up?   ::MonkeyDevil::


::MonkeyHaHa::   Yes, who will take the headcount!   Let's check this out again in October to see what they say then.  It gives them time to write the script.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 11:07:20 PM
6/29/09 Diario

http://www.diarioaruba.com/dialuna/noticia/news2.html

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion: rudy 1

the intencion of daily paper was for continua cu the serie of investigacion cu ministro booshi wever, but mirando the dead diripiente of his amigo lighthouse we is come on the casonan of booshi after. today we is continua cu rudy croes cu owing to comete one cantidad of barbaridad because; ministro of husticia cu will have consecuencianan much earnest pe.

daily paper will come same cu we owing to haci cu marisol cu all the pruebanan of the crimennan cometi. rudy naturally not owing to opera his only. the perfect behind majority of the maldanan of rudy was leave for of the cabez of hendrik croes. is hour cu was bisto cu rudy because; ministro not can owing to haci nothing more for hendrik this owing to dicidi of saca rudy for of mep y place his own child. all this do not less cu hour the comision of investigacion dutch come investiga the ministronan at aruba cu one of they cu will achieve much atencion is rudy croes.

some poco the hulandesnan cu aid of nel oduber owing to less all power of rudy hour cu at the netherlands owing to become conoci cuanto corupcion had in the departamentonan of rudy. esey is place cu one thirst of the crimennan cu rudy owing to comete is in the time first cu they owing to less all his autoridad. daily paper owing to priminti cu will help the comision of investigacion dutch because during the añanan cu owing to happen daily paper was publica all the pruebanan of crimennan cu was worde cometi without cu ministerio publico owing to haci algo.

we have the casonan of miyones cu owing to worde pay at advocate hendrik croes for haci casonan for gobierno cu others can owing to haci for one fraccion of the prijs cu hendrik owing to cobra. during the añanan cu owing to happen is increibel cuanto edificio of hendrik y another rumannan of rudy owing to worde gehuur door of gobierno without cu others cu also was have edificio owing to come at remarca for huur they cu gobierno. the casonan of payments cu did take luga at rudy his campaña provided that cambio of permisonan. ordinarily the corupcion here will have to owing to worde persigui at once but because; cu we have one ministerio publico cu is march at hand of mep nothing not owing to sosode.

in daily paper owing to leave one cantidad of checknan cu sumanan cu owing to worde pay at rudy croes for achieve permission. one crimen of ministro without doubt but nothing not owing to sosode. alcontrario the procurador general (teresa) owing to dicidi of spanta esnan cu owing to pay the ministro for permission saying cu they also is castigabel y of the as ey past owing to core cu they. the investigacion cu is bay take luga have to calling the hendenan here back y let they stop witness cuanto coin they owing to pay for achieve permisonan.

we wanted look at if ministerio publico is bay calling maurice neme y bise cu the also is bay close because past owing to cumpra marisol for achieve his terenonan. the pruebanan of the cumpradornan of permission of rudy tey still y the comision will not bay haci same cu ministerio publico owing to haci some time happen for scapa rudy.

also thing have to achieve all atencion again is the caso of the three damanan dominicana. the company bao of the permisonan was company of rudy self y the permisonan was for time indefini. algo cu ordinarily do not sosode. the damanan here owing to achieve one trato malisimo bao guia of rudy self y after owing to worde saca for of aruba at bad orden y nothing of near of ministerio publico. pesey daily paper is stay enfatiza cu the investigacion here is absolutely necesario y have to cuminza more soon possible for first cu eleccion people can see cu the abuse of mep owing to last largo but owing to arrive at his end. come across



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 09, 2009, 11:09:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59330.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Tourism Conference site attracts 400 visitors

9 Jul, 2009, 12:14 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-site-persconferent.gif)
 
Minister of Tourism snort Edison talks about the conference site in October with more than four hundred visitors will attract.

ORANGE CITY - More than four hundred influential people from the end of October to travel to Aruba for the annual conference of the Society of Incentive and Travel Executives (Site). Delegations from around the world take part in workshops, roundtables, networking evenings and gala dinners. The conference begins on October 30 and runs until November 2.

The ATA and Tourism Tourist Organization Ahata work together to organize the event. Yesterday was a press conference as the beginning of the campaign to inform the public about the importance of the congress tourism on the island. As part of this campaign, a documentary about the run-up to the conference. Various speakers from industry, ATA, and Ahata Minister Edison snort (MEP) of Tourism and Transport in the documentary to the floor. Moreover, the documentary offers a look back at the Site that Congress in 1993 for the first time in Aruba was held. The documentary, where he finished on broadcast television. In addition to the documentary is also a special jingle made radio commercials for the event will support. Feliciano Sjeidy of ATA explains why it is so important that the public is aware of the event: "We must together ensure that the (???? that's how it ends....)


I guess they figure we wouldn't dare show up on Aruba and boycott their event.   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Wonder if they had to give 400 guests free airfare and accommodations for showing up?   ::MonkeyDevil::


::MonkeyHaHa::   Yes, who will take the headcount!   Let's check this out again in October to see what they say then.  It gives them time to write the script.   

 ::MonkeyCool::  That 400 guests will surely up their tourism for the quarter and they can claim they are increasing instead of decreasing their quarterly tourism numbers.  Jerks all of them.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 11:19:18 PM
7/4/2009 Diario

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/news1.html

investigacion: rudy croes 3

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/alexonlinejossy.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

the actonan of rudy croes during the añanan cu owing to happen was so vil cu even awo cu daily paper is ripitiendo publicacion of they we is feel one berguenza deep cu one ministro aruban owing to arrive till at one level so low. pesey self daily paper is stay contribui at give the datonan cu is necesario for her investigacion of gobierno dutch cu is bay take luga.

during the añanan daily paper was informa we lectornan continuamente of thing was tumando luga. one of the actonan horible was the permission cu owing to worde give at three lady dominicana for come help rudy in his campaña. algo cu never formerly we owing to arrive of conoce at aruba owing to sosode.

one pair of the amigo campañadornan of rudy owing to bay keiro at sand domingo y owing to come across three lady cu owing to desea of come aruba for alivia they situation dificil at they country. the amigo campañadornan of rudy apparently conociendo rudy owing to consehe for her give the three damanan here permission for come establece at aruba for help in rudy his campaña. they owing to priminti the damanan here cielo y ground y so we ministro of husticia time cu the had his ministerio still first cu the netherlands y nel oduber owing to less part gandi of his departamentonan owing to comete the barbaridad cu is upstairs the pagina here.

rudy croes owing to give the three damanan permission for drena aruba without none condicion y without none limit of time. the owing to give the three damanan permission for enter y esatablece aruba without none conseho of his hefenan of his departamentonan.

the self owing to let work the permisonan y company they his self y after for colmo send the permisonan here cu federal express for her damanan at sand domingo. the damanan owing to come aruba y have to owing to work in the office of campaña of rudy y at caminda they owing to abusa sexualmente of the damanan here. hour the damanan here owing to reacciona bringando contra they violadornan they owing to worde menaza of worde saca for of aruba.

the damanan owing to succeed of come in contacto cu hendenan cu wanted owing to help they y they owing to dicidi of entrega one complaint contra the abuse cometi cntra they door of the dirigentenan of mep. ministerio publico owing to haci nothing because here again was deal of one ministro of mep cu his amigonan.

hour study casonan so y listen the words of the procurador general of aruba criticando the netherlands for motibo of the decision of gobierno of the netherlands for haci one investigacion earnest everybody is compronde con hundo we owing to cay. one ministerio publico completamente in hand of mep!

the caso of the damanan dominicano is one ilustracion of one cantidad of actonan contra ley cu will have to was have one efecto huridico for all envolvi but till today nothing. huez in one of the casonan historico owing to dicta cu is prourador general self owing to cause cu the is worde acusa of do not neutral neither independant! come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 09, 2009, 11:25:15 PM
TM thank you so much for trying to make these readable to us.  It is getting really scarey when you can read this and think "My I think I know what they are saying".   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 11:29:39 PM
7/8/2009

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/index.html

investigacion: rudy 4

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/investjossy.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

hour gobierno of the netherlands owing to dicidi of haci one investigacion deep of the corupcion cu is existi at aruba in gobierno, is because already end one investigacion preliminario did take luga y owing to worde constata cu have one cantidad of crimen is tumando luga at aruba bao guia of the ministronan of mep.

gobierno dutch will not owing to anuncia one investigacion if they not was 100 % assure cu urgentemente have to of one investigacion earnest y deep. owing to base of the result of this will have to deal of all as of change the ruta dangerous cu aruba is in.

one pair of year happen already end daily paper owing to constata cu rudy croes was sell permisonan for sumanan gandi for his campaña or for his self. the time ey daily paper owing to publica one serie of check cu owing to worde pay at rudy or at his hendenan for achieve permisonan. already the time ey aruba not had one ministerio publico neutral y the procurador general of the time ey owing to declara cu esnan cu pay one ministro for achieve permission also is castigabel y of one or another as presion owing to worde poni on esnan cu owing to cumpra the ministro for achieve permission y they owing to spanta y owing to wing behind.

pay one ministro for achieve permission is corupcion y the pruebanan tey still. pesey awo is resulta cu mep owing to haci todo can todo hour cu the procurador general theresa croes owing to bay for achieve one another procurador general cu will follow the same cord of not persegui the ministronan of mep.

today the situation is same. the netherlands owing to try of interveni in the dunamento of permission but as dimas is funcionando awo is pio cu never, although bao of one another ministro. the situation owing to become even more criminal. today not only the indicacionnan strong tey cu is bendiendo permisonan of estadia y trabao but is bendiendo also permisonan for carga arm. gobierno dutch owing to compronde awo cu medidanan suave do not help. the corupcion the penetra so strong cu have to have one “schoonmaak” overall.

during the añanan of mep the corupcion owing to penetra in one part big of the apparatus of ambtenaar together cu the ministronan cu only cu forza bruto can bay stop the dearoyo dangerous here. today daily paper is publica once more one check cu owing to worde pay at rudy croes for achieve permission cu the self have to give. the type of corupcion here is esun of more basico. cumpra one ministro for achieve one permission cu only the ministro ey can give. without escrupulo the ministro had one business of permission. formerly the business here was directamente in office of the brother cu the time ey was ministro y the business ey owing to follow bao of rudy croes.

awo the gobierno of the netherlands owing to achieve much more informacion of locual is sosode at aruba y owing to dicidi of place one sharp at all this. neither although cuanto nel oduber is bark the investigacion is come. awo nel oduber is talk even of independencia for try of evita the investigacion dutch. nel is realiza cu do not rudy y marisol only is bay hour cu the investigacion is cla but cu the because; the dirigente of the gang of corupto also is bay. independencia is bay stay one cry cu do not help at nothing. nel oduber was know cu rudy is cobra coin for permission y not owing to haci nothing.

for much time nel can owing to lie the hulandesnan cu the was the good person y the was try of stop the others of haci maldad but awo the investigacion preliminario dutch owing to show cu is nel self together cu hendrik croes is guia all thing is sosode on the territory of corupcion. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 11:33:00 PM
TM thank you so much for trying to make these readable to us.  It is getting really scarey when you can read this and think "My I think I know what they are saying".   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: You're welcome Blue Moon!  I'm with you!  It is scary...but good too, when I think I understand what's being said! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 11:43:46 PM
7/9/2009 Diario

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news2.html

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion: rudy 5

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/invejossy.jpg)

rudy croes owing to serve his brother hendrik y owing to percura for her can owing to earn miyones of guilder of gobierno y awo is worde gedump. another did take his lugar. awo numa nel oduber owing to cuminza feel in cuanto problem the is. nel oduber is gritando as one soul bad by the day cu past owing to realiza cu is of berdad is come one investigacion earnest of near of gobierno of the netherlands for constata con big the corupcion of cada ministro of mep in gobierno of aruba is for after can deal of elimina this.

awo nel is realiza con earnest his situation is. today daily paper is take the ehempel of the edificio of arulex for show con diep we island owing to cay bao of the gobernantenan of the faction yellow. hendrik croes the “master mind” of mep as the raport of the investigacion preliminario is calling hendrik croes have one edifico arulex for cual the is ricibi 420.000 guilder for year of gobierno. awo some poco nel is cuminza realiza cu the will have dificultad big for bay splica the investigadornan dutch con can is possible cu the gobierno of mep without none destaho publico or oferta publico is huur part of one edificio of brother of rudy croes, hendrik croes for 420.000 guilder.

nel is cuminza feel the presion biniendo on dje much first cu they arrive close dje self. is con the is bay hustifica one acto so cu for her normanan dutch is ladronicia in day cla. do not existi in one comunidad normal cu reglanan of legislacion y reglanan of fatsoen cu one brother of ministro is achieve one contrato of so tanto coin without cu had the posibilidad for others also haci oferta at gobierno for achieve the contrato atractivo here.

do not can nothing cu hendrik croes for much time end is forzando of all as for place aruba in direction of independencia. the are croes always owing to boga for saca aruba for of kingdom dutch y hacie one country independant.

this for they can achieve one control completo. not only the procurador general will worde named after door of gobierno of aruba but also the hueznan will worde named after door of gobierno of aruba. this is the action cu the croesnan is hibado for enough time end. nel not was of acuerdo cu this but cosnan is cambiando.

today cu nel is feel the rozea cayente of gobierno of the netherlands his slow diripiente the also owing to cuminza talk of independencia of aruba. the unique motibo cu nel is cambiando of opinion encuanto the structura estatal is because the does not the intervencion dutch cu is basa upstairs we statuut. his temor for thing is bay leave for of the investigacion here is place cu the owing to lose all nocion of the realidad of all day. this owing to comprendibel if person see kico is bay sosode.

the resulado of the investigacion dutch is bay show of cada ministro of nel his gobierno kico they owing to haci y cuanto coin of people owing to bay for they self y they family y amigonan. nel oduber awo owing to realiza cu the probabilidad of bay behind tralie is much big.

the cantidad of casonan is creciendo day for day more y in casi all nel also is meti. the investigacion of the netherlands is bay show cu is impossible for hendrik croes achieve one cotrato lucrativo of 420.000 guilder y nel not know of nothing. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2009, 11:55:04 PM
I'm still looking for part 2 on Rudy...

came across this:

June 1, 2009 Diario

http://www.diarioaruba.com/2k9/jun/wk1/dialuna/noticia/news7.html

friends and family is follow cobra; but for people not have coin!

kenki oduber is achieve more of 100.000 at vergoeding only!

nel self is company beshikking 6 feburary 2009 cu privilege absurdo for his brother!


oranjestad(aan) day 6 of feburary 2009, first minister nel oduber is company one beschikking for his self brother kenki oduber cu one list increibel of vergoedingen y toelage. on one salary annual of afl. 100.000,== kenki is achieve one another 100.000 florín at toelage for cas, telephone, car, representatie y even water, coriente y gas.

kenki his salary owing to worde fiha on 129.029 florín. one suma astronomico cu is worde haci extra bold cu one toelage of 25%. comosifuera cu this do not sufficient nel is give kenki one list absurdo of toelagen y vergoedingen.

kenki is achieve one toelage for representatie of 4920 florín. the is achieve one car toelage of afl, 8400,== for anja. the is achieve telefoontoelage of 1250 flo­rín (500 euro) for month. "reis-en yerblijfkosteif' not unicamente for trabao, but for all family trip once for year for aruba figurabo in business class. comosifuera cu the salary barbaric y all the toelagen do not sufciente, kenki is achieve acerca more of 6000 thousand florín for month, (2616 euro), on 70.000 for year for huisvestingskosten. have comprondi cu kenki owing to cumpra cas y huisvestingstoelage is pay hypotheek!

con more absurdo cos maybe hour cu a have more of 200.000 at salary y toelage then gobierno have cu pay his cuenta of water, gas y electricidad also. cu what cara nel oduber can give his brother all the privilegionan here y all day is lastra empleadonan of web y elmar. this is the cosnan cu is bay cay in investigación of the netherlands assure also y is the abuse cu have people harta of the gobernacion of gabinete oduber cu is work for they only y people is abide. come across

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/2k9/jun/wk1/dialuna/noticia/n1a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 12:20:03 AM
 ::MonkeyWaa::  This is all I can find in a cached page.  If I'd only checked YESTERDAY!  I think Part 2 was on the July 2nd (Thursday) page last week.  I've emailed to see if maybe I can still get it.

This is only the lead in to the story:

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=%22investigacion+rudy%22+diario&d=76341023606799&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=9a8d51e3,54ebbc62

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion: rudy 2

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/diarioinvestigacion.jpg)


thing rudy croes owing to haci during the ultimo añanan was concentra on enrikece his famianan at one as barbaro without will minimo of escrupulo. for one part big the famianan owing to achieve sumanan of huurnan enormous of gobierno for they edificionan. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 10, 2009, 02:28:55 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 02:40:49 AM
JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 02:45:39 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on July 10, 2009, 08:33:35 AM
Old FP post.  I remember the add (now changed).  Hope Dr. Phil knows about this.

#  Judge on June 11th, 2005 4:32 pm

Deepak is selling his computer….see link:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on July 10, 2009, 08:34:17 AM
Old FP post.  I remember the add (now changed).  Hope Dr. Phil knows about this.

#  Judge on June 11th, 2005 4:32 pm

Deepak is selling his computer….see link:


SM link to above

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-comment-post-2/#comments


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2009, 09:49:12 AM
Old FP post.  I remember the add (now changed).  Hope Dr. Phil knows about this.

#  Judge on June 11th, 2005 4:32 pm

Deepak is selling his computer….see link:


SM link to above

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-comment-post-2/#comments

Thanks, Buckeye.  I remember the ad, too, but don't remember if anyone ever took a screen shot....I imagine someone did, though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
Old FP post.  I remember the add (now changed).  Hope Dr. Phil knows about this.

#  Judge on June 11th, 2005 4:32 pm

Deepak is selling his computer….see link:


SM link to above

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-comment-post-2/#comments

Thanks, Buckeye.  I remember the ad, too, but don't remember if anyone ever took a screen shot....I imagine someone did, though.

Just checked out the web archive and, of course, it has nothing between 5/25/05 and 6/30/05.  Not surprising.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.arubamatch.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2009, 01:59:33 PM
That's a pretty high divorce rate for a so-called Happy Island!

And Jossy seems to really be going after Rudy with a full scale investigation.  I remain afraid, however, that any investigation into corruption is going to be pretty much limited to financial corruption with not much left for cronyism and collusion, conflict of interest and the sort of things that would help with Justice for Natalee.

But ANY investigation is better than none so guess we will take what we can get.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 10, 2009, 04:14:22 PM
That's a pretty high divorce rate for a so-called Happy Island!

And Jossy seems to really be going after Rudy with a full scale investigation.  I remain afraid, however, that any investigation into corruption is going to be pretty much limited to financial corruption with not much left for cronyism and collusion, conflict of interest and the sort of things that would help with Justice for Natalee.

But ANY investigation is better than none so guess we will take what we can get.




I agree Anna.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 04:31:06 PM

7/6/2009 Awe Mainta Pages 11 & 45

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg11.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  deteni

police of oranjestad, saturday 3.30 of nightfall, is see the conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  is core on one bromer blanco bayendo direccion beach. hour cu police owing to dune one sign p’e stop, past owing to press gasoline y follow core. at rotondo of tanki flip, past owing to become direccion sasaki, y near of rotonde, past owing to stop. at once police owing to detene y owing to hibe keep y entregue at recherche, cu was busk’e for several delito cometi.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg45_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police busca for ministerio publico, is maltrata muher cu tubo

asistencia of police owing to wordo ask diabierna 7’or of morning at one cas in figaroastraat, where one man owing to maltrata one muher cu one tubo. n’e sitio, police is talk cu the muher j.d. naci at haiti of 22 year, that is tell cu past owing to achieve problem cu the conocido marlon celaire  of 42 year. the is tell police cu marlon owing to come close dje y owing to maltrate cu one tubo. while cu police was talk cu the muher, marlon celaire, that still was n’e luga, wanted owing to bay on dje. hour cu police owing to bay for detene, past owing to core bay. police owing to take away the muher at one luga assure. diabierna owing to leave one ordo of detencion of marlon celaire for of ministerio publico.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 10, 2009, 06:18:32 PM

7/6/2009 Awe Mainta Pages 11 & 45

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg11.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  deteni

police of oranjestad, saturday 3.30 of nightfall, is see the conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  is core on one bromer blanco bayendo direccion beach. hour cu police owing to dune one sign p’e stop, past owing to press gasoline y follow core. at rotondo of tanki flip, past owing to become direccion sasaki, y near of rotonde, past owing to stop. at once police owing to detene y owing to hibe keep y entregue at recherche, cu was busk’e for several delito cometi.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg45_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police busca for ministerio publico, is maltrata muher cu tubo

asistencia of police owing to wordo ask diabierna 7’or of morning at one cas in figaroastraat, where one man owing to maltrata one muher cu one tubo. n’e sitio, police is talk cu the muher j.d. naci at haiti of 22 year, that is tell cu past owing to achieve problem cu the conocido marlon celaire  of 42 year. the is tell police cu marlon owing to come close dje y owing to maltrate cu one tubo. while cu police was talk cu the muher, marlon celaire, that still was n’e luga, wanted owing to bay on dje. hour cu police owing to bay for detene, past owing to core bay. police owing to take away the muher at one luga assure. diabierna owing to leave one ordo of detencion of marlon celaire for of ministerio publico.


Now TM I have to admit this one I cannot make out at all.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 08:34:08 PM

7/6/2009 Awe Mainta Pages 11 & 45

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg11.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  deteni

police of oranjestad, saturday 3.30 of nightfall, is see the conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  is core on one bromer blanco bayendo direccion beach. hour cu police owing to dune one sign p’e stop, past owing to press gasoline y follow core. at rotondo of tanki flip, past owing to become direccion sasaki, y near of rotonde, past owing to stop. at once police owing to detene y owing to hibe keep y entregue at recherche, cu was busk’e for several delito cometi.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg45_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police busca for ministerio publico, is maltrata muher cu tubo

asistencia of police owing to wordo ask diabierna 7’or of morning at one cas in figaroastraat, where one man owing to maltrata one muher cu one tubo. n’e sitio, police is talk cu the muher j.d. naci at haiti of 22 year, that is tell cu past owing to achieve problem cu the conocido marlon celaire  of 42 year. the is tell police cu marlon owing to come close dje y owing to maltrate cu one tubo. while cu police was talk cu the muher, marlon celaire, that still was n’e luga, wanted owing to bay on dje. hour cu police owing to bay for detene, past owing to core bay. police owing to take away the muher at one luga assure. diabierna owing to leave one ordo of detencion of marlon celaire for of ministerio publico.


understand that Marlon Celaire was arrested for various crimes.  I brought the articles over here because he was questioned a couple times in Natalee's case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 08:38:40 PM

7/6/2009 Awe Mainta Pages 11 & 45

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg11.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  deteni

police of oranjestad, saturday 3.30 of nightfall, is see the conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  is core on one bromer blanco bayendo direccion beach. hour cu police owing to dune one sign p’e stop, past owing to press gasoline y follow core. at rotondo of tanki flip, past owing to become direccion sasaki, y near of rotonde, past owing to stop. at once police owing to detene y owing to hibe keep y entregue at recherche, cu was busk’e for several delito cometi.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg45_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police busca for ministerio publico, is maltrata muher cu tubo

asistencia of police owing to wordo ask diabierna 7’or of morning at one cas in figaroastraat, where one man owing to maltrata one muher cu one tubo. n’e sitio, police is talk cu the muher j.d. naci at haiti of 22 year, that is tell cu past owing to achieve problem cu the conocido marlon celaire  of 42 year. the is tell police cu marlon owing to come close dje y owing to maltrate cu one tubo. while cu police was talk cu the muher, marlon celaire, that still was n’e luga, wanted owing to bay on dje. hour cu police owing to bay for detene, past owing to core bay. police owing to take away the muher at one luga assure. diabierna owing to leave one ordo of detencion of marlon celaire for of ministerio publico.




No those aren't as clear as some.  I only understand that Marlon Celaire was arrested for various crimes.  I brought the articles over here because he was questioned a couple times in Natalee's case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 08:54:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59411.php

Google translation:

Aruba yield: Court still Curaçao

10 Jul, 2009, 14:31 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Aruban government is nevertheless agree that the Common Court of Justice after the dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles, Curaçao continues. On the official level were the Netherlands, the Antilles and Aruba to a new proposal. This, the Dutch and Antillean government, in contrast to Aruba, has not yet formally said yes.

In a letter to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende Aruba has shown them that what the Court for the next five years on the island can continue. After five years should be evaluated or parts of the organization, such as the Chamber for civil cases or administrative matters, may move to other islands for an equitable distribution. "
The registries of the islands are merged into one organization, but the clerks of the court of first instance remain formally under the responsibility of the Vice-Presidents of the Court on the various islands. In addition, a Kingdom Commission established to investigate or five years a Kingdom-wide scheme is possible for the judiciary. It should also examine the status of judges and members of the Public Ministry Kingdom Wide can be. Aruba is an explicit supporter of these schemes.

If the Netherlands Antilles and accept this proposal means that the rijkswet Court that the State Cabinet on Friday approved and sent to the Lower House, adjusted. The controversial Article 43 of the Statute, which was used to rijkswet to implement without the support of Aruba and the Antilles, is then deleted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 10, 2009, 08:57:13 PM

7/6/2009 Awe Mainta Pages 11 & 45

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg11.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  deteni

police of oranjestad, saturday 3.30 of nightfall, is see the conocido of police y of husticia marlon celaire  is core on one bromer blanco bayendo direccion beach. hour cu police owing to dune one sign p’e stop, past owing to press gasoline y follow core. at rotondo of tanki flip, past owing to become direccion sasaki, y near of rotonde, past owing to stop. at once police owing to detene y owing to hibe keep y entregue at recherche, cu was busk’e for several delito cometi.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07062009AweMaintaPg45_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

conocido of police busca for ministerio publico, is maltrata muher cu tubo

asistencia of police owing to wordo ask diabierna 7’or of morning at one cas in figaroastraat, where one man owing to maltrata one muher cu one tubo. n’e sitio, police is talk cu the muher j.d. naci at haiti of 22 year, that is tell cu past owing to achieve problem cu the conocido marlon celaire  of 42 year. the is tell police cu marlon owing to come close dje y owing to maltrate cu one tubo. while cu police was talk cu the muher, marlon celaire, that still was n’e luga, wanted owing to bay on dje. hour cu police owing to bay for detene, past owing to core bay. police owing to take away the muher at one luga assure. diabierna owing to leave one ordo of detencion of marlon celaire for of ministerio publico.




No those aren't as clear as some.  I only understand that Marlon Celaire was arrested for various crimes.  I brought the articles over here because he was questioned a couple times in Natalee's case.


It has been a while since we have had such a good quotestack.

asistencia of police owing you wordo ask diabierna 7 ' or of morning at one cas in figaroastraat, where one man owing you maltreats one woman with one pipe. n'e I besiege, police is talk cu to woman, j.d naci of Haiti of 22 to year, that is tell cu past owing you achieve problem cu the conocido marlon celaire of 42 to year. the is tell police cu marlon owing you come close dje y owing you maltreats cu one pipe. while cu police was talk cu to woman, marlon celaire, that still was n'e gun, wanted owing you bay on dje. hour cu police owing you bay will be detain, past owing you Core bay. police owing you take away to woman at one gun assure. diabierna owing you leave one ordo of detencion of marlon celaire will be of ministry publishes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 09:15:43 PM
Thanks Magnolia! 

I didn't add to the stack, my last attempt was pitiful!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 09:27:08 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news2.html

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion: rudy 6

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/investigacion6.jpg)


do not happen one day cu not have one escandalo of corupcion new of the gobierno of mep cu is leave in publicidad. today all caminda have talk cu the ultimo estafa of hill colorado is bay achieve one tail largo for marisol y his hendenan. today sinembargo daily paper is let marisol one near one rato more because the is file of rudy for worde give atencion.

gobierno of the netherlands is bay investiga the ministronan of aruba after cu they investigacion preliminario owing to constata cu berdad the corupcion owing to penetra ferozmente in the apparatus gubernamental.

of ministronan bay abao at one cantidad of ambtenaar. today once more daily paper is trece the caso of corupcion of sleeping police of rudy croes cu even have algo humoristico mirando the ridicules of the actonan of corupcion in the caso here.

rudy croes owing to arise one day y owing to hear cu one of his primonan will aprecia of achieve algo of haci for earn one suma of coin of gobierno as much of the familiarnan owing to achieve end. because; the primo here have one ocupacion of work of hand the was dificil for think algo cu will can earn one pair of hundred thousand guilder without cu the gastonan was mucho high for sigura one good benefit. creatividad not was miss they.  
sleeping police! algo simple. cheap for cumpra. poni in two day y the benefit is fenomenal. so cos owing to bay.

in some day primo have all the sleeping police y is achieve the orden of rudy croes for place they at one cantidad big of lugar. trabao owing to end in one pair of day y primo owing to cobra 493.000 guilder. ace simple ace that! not had none presupuesto for cumpra y place the sleeping policenan.

not had none areglo cu dow neither cu police. none departamento was know of the idea here cu owing to place cu they owing to stay sorprendi cu the accion big on we cayanan. the aim owing to stay succeed. primo owing to achieve one benefit big y all two was satisfecho.

do not conoci still cu if the suma here owing to worde part among rudy y his primo or cu all coin owing to bay for her primo. comunidad aruban owing to arise contra the locura of sleeping police in one cantidad of caya y this owing to place cu marisol owing to dicidi of stop his competencia in corupcion y owing to on account of let less all the sleeping policenan in one pair of day. case closed! mep in top form. is pesey the investigacion dutch have to come urgentemente. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 09:48:35 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news6.html

Original text:

Dos morto misterioso

ORANJESTAD (AAN); E gobernantenan di MEP ta den problema serio pasobra awo a bira cu tur dia ta sali un escandalo grandi nobo cu tin ministronan envolvi den top. Awo e bom di Sero Colorado a rementa.

   Ya caba poco dia pasa DIARIO a relata cu tin un cantidad di cas di Colony ta worde bendi via di canalnan straño y cu mester bin un investigacion rapido. Awo e investigacion ta andando y ta parce cu e cabezante di e gang cu tabata envolvi tabata un hende en contacto directo cu ministro Marisol. Ainda e investigacion no ta publico pero ta mustra cu un cantidad di cas a worde bendi cu un suma di comision grandi cu lo ta pa Marisol.

   Ora cu a bira conoci cu e banda aki lo worde aresta Marisol a core denuncia e crimen aki y e dirigente di e gang aki a bira malo y e a worde manda Colombia caminda e a fayece un par di dia pasa. Casi e ta pone hende pensa cu, ariba momento cu e bagamunderianan di e ministronan sali na cla, e testigo clave den esaki ta muri misteriosamente.

   Faro di Landslaboratorium ningun momento tabata un hende cu tabata parce di mester a muri. E a worde castiga pa crimennan cu otro a haci y ora tabata mustra cu e lo saca e berdad pasobra e a sinti cu e no tabata merece paga pa pica di otro e a muri diripiente. E desaroyonan aki ta birando espantoso.

   Ta conoci cu tin un corupcion grandi ta andando bao di casi tur ministro y mas y mas hendenan ta realiza cu nan no por keda keto pasobra nan ta bira complice. Procurador general ta haya su mes den un situacion cu e casonan contra e ministronan ta birando asina hopi cu e no por complace su amigo Hendrik Croes mas di no haci nada.

   Por ta cu ministerio publico a actua den e casonan di Booshi Wever y awo den e caso di Marisol, pasobra no ta e casonan relaciona cu Rudy Croes hunto cu su rumannan. Ta bira mas urgente tur dia pa e investigacion di Hulanda cuminza pa para tur e bagamunderianan cu ta tuma luga. Kizas pa mas hende ta bira comprendibel cu Hulanda mester interveni si Nel gusta of no.

Papiamentu translation:

two dead misterioso

oranjestad (aan); the gobernantenan of mep is in problem earnest because awo owing to become cu all day is leave one escandalo big new cu have ministronan envolvi in top. awo the bom of hill colorado owing to rementa.

already end some day happen daily paper owing to relata cu have one cantidad of cas of colony is worde bendi via of canalnan odd y cu have to come one investigacion rapido. awo the investigacion is andando y is seems cu the cabezante of the gang cu was envolvi was a provided that contacto directo cu ministro marisol. still the investigacion do not publico but is show cu one cantidad of cas owing to worde bendi cu one suma of comision big cu will is for marisol.

hour cu owing to become conoci cu the near here will worde aresta marisol owing to core denuncia the crimen here y the dirigente of the gang here owing to become bad y the owing to worde send colombia caminda the owing to fayece one pair of day happen. casi the is place person think cu, upstairs instant cu the bagamunderianan of the ministronan leave at cla, the witness clave in this is die misteriosamente.

Faro of landslaboratorium none instant was a cu was seems of have to owing to die. the owing to worde castiga for crimennan cu another owing to haci y hour was show cu the will saca the berdad because the owing to feel cu the not was merece pay for pica of another the owing to die diripiente. the desaroyonan here is birando espantoso.

is conoci cu have one corupcion big is andando bao of casi all ministro y more y more hendenan is realiza cu they not can stay keto because they're become complice. procurador general is achieve his self in one situation cu the casonan contra the ministronan is birando so much cu the not can complace his amigo hendrik croes more of not haci nothing.

can is cu ministerio publico owing to actua in the casonan of booshi wever y awo in the caso of marisol, because do not the casonan relaciona cu rudy croes together cu his rumannan. is become more urgente all day for her investigacion of the netherlands cuminza for stop all the bagamunderianan cu is take luga. kizas for more person is become comprendibel cu the netherlands have to interveni if nel like or not. come across







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
7/10/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 11

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

ceo of ahata is reuni cu agentenan policial

exitoso discusion tocante strategianan efectivo for asistencia of victima, cual owing to inicia during of one conferencia regional, owing to follow today cu follow up of training in servicio of clientela provee atrabes of aruba hotel and tourism association (ahata) at agentenan policial of cuerpo of police of aruba.

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Papiamentu translation:

ceo of ahata is reuni cu agentenan policial tecnica of servicio at cliente owing to prove of is one instrumento adicional for trabao of police

exitoso discusion tocante strategianan efectivo for asistencia of victima, cual owing to inicia during of one conferencia regional, owing to follow today cu follow up of training in servicio of clientela provee atrabes of aruba hotel and tourism association (ahata) at agentenan policial of cuerpo of police of aruba. ahata his ceo & chairman rob smith personalmente is lidera the curso cual will arrive 120 agent during of several month.

“servicio at clientela is one instrumento necesario in trabao of police for cualkier agent cu is deal cu publico general. for bishitantenan cu is become victima of crimen, the is especialmente crucial.

one vacacion is one experiencia extremely emocional, cual hour acopla cu the economia actual, where immidiately spend coin now is one decision emocional, the impacto of become one victima of even one crimen diminutive during one biahe is triplifica,” so rob smith is splica.

by of give one perspectiva new cu is take in consideracion the victima because; also industry hospitalario of aruba, the curso is take one enfoke of sense comun for circumstancianan fuera of will normal.

the is adapta entrenamento of servicio of cliente cu is acostumbra cune in hotel y aplic’e at situacionnan specifico p’asina give victimanan of crimen one reaccion activo, at time y cu empatia.

the reaccion of agentenan cu already owing to participa in the curso was positive, cu the realisacion cu pasonan simple in give comprension can funciona same importanti for asisti the victima cu one good trabao of investiga.

“agentenan of police of aruba is quite entrena in anda cu sospechoso y perpetradonan of crimen. the habilidad in servicio at cliente is immidiately añadi one another instrumento n’e arsenal in they enfoke integral at they rol important in comunidad,” so owing to comenta rob smith.

“nos asociacion owing to delight in of one good relacion cu departamento of police y we is contento of can follow work together for asisti another in we metanan mutuo cu is serve the mehoracion of everybody envolvi.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2009, 10:18:08 PM
7/10/2009 Awe Mainta Page 31

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

sr. david tiedge of homeland security owing to visit ministernan oduber y briesen

tuesday morning minister president sr. nelson oduber y minister of turism y transporte ing. edison briesen owing to ricibi visit of sr. david w. tiedge of departamento of homeland security headquarter office or international affairs.

the visit here is in cuadro of the ampliacion of the fixed based operation (f.o.b.) y cual is ensera the ampliacion of the facilidadnan of general aviation terminal, esta the facilidadnan near pazuid of we aeropuerto.

alabez owing to talk ampliamente on the finalisacion of the construccion here. the ampliacion is basa on the acuerdo historico of customs preclearance cu minister president nel oduber owing to company day 22 of May 2008 cu secretario of departamento of homeland security, sr. michael chertoff at washington.

during of the visit of sr. tiedge was present also the port director u.s. customs & border protection aruba preclearance, sr. dylan defrancisci y the boss of asuntonan politico, economico y consular of departamento of relacion of exterior, drs. eleisah williams.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 10, 2009, 10:38:24 PM
http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/global-airport-security


David Tiedge, head of the International Affairs Office at the U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA), knows the importance of delicacy. Of the TSA's program that evaluates the security level of foreign airports and aircraft, he says, "We use the term 'assessment'—we don't use the term 'inspection.'" When the TSA "assesses" a foreign airport—the program, formerly run by the FAA, covers 200 key airports worldwide—it works with the State Department, gives the host country advance notice, and has officials from that country present for the review. If the TSA finds that a foreign airport isn't meeting ICAO's recommended standards, it will typically keep the findings confidential and give the airport 90 days to correct problems. Such a warning "isn't foolproof, but it has an effect," says Paul Hudson, head of the D.C.-based Aviation Consumer Action Project (ACAP). Since 9/11, Tiedge says, there have been "a few" instances of TSA warnings, but he declined to specify the number.



I wonder if they had to give Aruba a warning? LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 10, 2009, 10:46:41 PM
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-17594--5-5--.html

   

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Reprinted from Caribbean Net News
caribbeannetnews.com

US fines Dutch company for dealing with Cuba
Published on Friday, July 10, 2009

HAVANA, Cuba (ACN) -- Dutch giant Phillips has been fined $128,750 by the US Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) for selling medical equipment to Cuba.

The OFAC fined Philips Electronics of North America Corporation (PENAC), a subsidiary of the Dutch company, because “one PENAC employee travelled to Cuba without a license in relation with a sale of medical equipment, done by a PENAC foreign subsidiary”, Cubadebate website reported.

Despite being a Dutch company having subsidiaries in over 60 countries, including Brazil, where the equipment was produced, Phillips was forced to pay the fine, because of the regulations imposed by 1996 Helms-Burton Law.

This is the case of Phillips, which some 20% of its assets are owned by American capital, an official with the Cuban Chamber of Commerce told ACN news agency.

The New York-based Philips Electronics of North America Corporation (PENAC), agreed to pay the fine imposed by the US Treasury for the infraction committed between June 2004 and March 2006.

The Cuban Assets Control Regulations were issued by the US government on July 8th 1963, as part of the Blockade imposed on Cuba, and they affect all US citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located, all people and organizations physically in the United States and all branches and subsidiaries of US organizations throughout the world, as published on the OFAC Website.

In 1996 the US Congress and Senate passed, the Cuban Act, which was signed by then- president Bill Clinton. The legislation made the scope of sanctions extraterritorial, thus affecting all US companies in the world, or foreign companies with over 10 percent of US assets.

The extraterritorial Helms Burton Law and other measures with the US economic, commercial and financial blockade of Cuba have been aimed at isolating and toppling revolutionary government on the island.

Those who evade the US's anti-Cuba measures may face sanctions ranging up to 10 years in prison, $1,000,000 in corporate fines, and $250,000 in individual fines. Civil penalties can go up to $55,000 per every violation.

In 2008, fines related to the nearly 50-year US economic blockade against Cuba reached to $2.06 million , the largest figure since President George W. Bush reinforced restrictions on Cuban Americans to travel to Cuba, spend money or send remittances to their relatives in Cuba.

In a limited move, US President Barack Obama lifted in 2009 the restrictions imposed by former President Bush on Cuban Americans, though travel restrictions for all American citizens are still in force.




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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 10, 2009, 11:34:56 PM
Does anyone know what happened to that guy who put Joran on a lie detector and was suppose to sell it to some station?  I wonder if Peter is going to take the bait and air it?  I did not put much faith in that to begin with.  just another quick way to make money for Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2009, 11:50:49 PM
Does anyone know what happened to that guy who put Joran on a lie detector and was suppose to sell it to some station?  I wonder if Peter is going to take the bait and air it?  I did not put much faith in that to begin with.  just another quick way to make money for Joran.

Jaap guy?  Dunno...thanks. Blue Moon

TM & SusieQ....your contributions are much appreciated.   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
7/10/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 11

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07102009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

ceo of ahata is reuni cu agentenan policial

exitoso discusion tocante strategianan efectivo for asistencia of victima, cual owing to inicia during of one conferencia regional, owing to follow today cu follow up of training in servicio of clientela provee atrabes of aruba hotel and tourism association (ahata) at agentenan policial of cuerpo of police of aruba.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07102009AweMaintaPg11.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

ceo of ahata is reuni cu agentenan policial tecnica of servicio at cliente owing to prove of is one instrumento adicional for trabao of police

exitoso discusion tocante strategianan efectivo for asistencia of victima, cual owing to inicia during of one conferencia regional, owing to follow today cu follow up of training in servicio of clientela provee atrabes of aruba hotel and tourism association (ahata) at agentenan policial of cuerpo of police of aruba. ahata his ceo & chairman rob smith personalmente is lidera the curso cual will arrive 120 agent during of several month.

“servicio at clientela is one instrumento necesario in trabao of police for cualkier agent cu is deal cu publico general. for bishitantenan cu is become victima of crimen, the is especialmente crucial.

one vacacion is one experiencia extremely emocional, cual hour acopla cu the economia actual, where immidiately spend coin now is one decision emocional, the impacto of become one victima of even one crimen diminutive during one biahe is triplifica,” so rob smith is splica.

by of give one perspectiva new cu is take in consideracion the victima because; also industry hospitalario of aruba, the curso is take one enfoke of sense comun for circumstancianan fuera of will normal.

the is adapta entrenamento of servicio of cliente cu is acostumbra cune in hotel y aplic’e at situacionnan specifico p’asina give victimanan of crimen one reaccion activo, at time y cu empatia.

the reaccion of agentenan cu already owing to participa in the curso was positive, cu the realisacion cu pasonan simple in give comprension can funciona same importanti for asisti the victima cu one good trabao of investiga.

“agentenan of police of aruba is quite entrena in anda cu sospechoso y perpetradonan of crimen. the habilidad in servicio at cliente is immidiately añadi one another instrumento n’e arsenal in they enfoke integral at they rol important in comunidad,” so owing to comenta rob smith.

“nos asociacion owing to delight in of one good relacion cu departamento of police y we is contento of can follow work together for asisti another in we metanan mutuo cu is serve the mehoracion of everybody envolvi.”

In ENGLISH!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

7/10/2009 Aruba Today Page 2a

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07102009ArubaToday_02A-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 12:29:50 AM
Does anyone know what happened to that guy who put Joran on a lie detector and was suppose to sell it to some station?  I wonder if Peter is going to take the bait and air it?  I did not put much faith in that to begin with.  just another quick way to make money for Joran.

Jaap guy?  Dunno...thanks. Blue Moon

TM & SusieQ....your contributions are much appreciated.   

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikel_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.html&ei=JBFYSu7_Cceptge5iqndCg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Terror%2BJaap%2522%252BJoran%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10

(http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikelen/hoofd/foto_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.jpg)

JMO, I think it will eventually be shown (who knows when), but I'll be very surprised if Peter is involved.

TY 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2009, 12:36:12 AM
Does anyone know what happened to that guy who put Joran on a lie detector and was suppose to sell it to some station?  I wonder if Peter is going to take the bait and air it?  I did not put much faith in that to begin with.  just another quick way to make money for Joran.

Jaap guy?  Dunno...thanks. Blue Moon

TM & SusieQ....your contributions are much appreciated.   

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikel_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.html&ei=JBFYSu7_Cceptge5iqndCg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Terror%2BJaap%2522%252BJoran%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10

(http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikelen/hoofd/foto_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.jpg)

JMO, I think it will eventually be shown (who knows when), but I'll be very surprised if Peter is involved.

TY 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::
I asked about that as well a few days ago..... I forgot who (my apologies) said they heard it might air in September or November.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 12:53:30 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1007295

I LOVE MUZIKA "MADHOUSE" DJ JEAN, Rico Farvella @ Confession 4Juli

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 12:56:56 AM
Does anyone know what happened to that guy who put Joran on a lie detector and was suppose to sell it to some station?  I wonder if Peter is going to take the bait and air it?  I did not put much faith in that to begin with.  just another quick way to make money for Joran.

Jaap guy?  Dunno...thanks. Blue Moon

TM & SusieQ....your contributions are much appreciated.   

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikel_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.html&ei=JBFYSu7_Cceptge5iqndCg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Terror%2BJaap%2522%252BJoran%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10

(http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikelen/hoofd/foto_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.jpg)

JMO, I think it will eventually be shown (who knows when), but I'll be very surprised if Peter is involved.

TY 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::
I asked about that as well a few days ago..... I forgot who (my apologies) said they heard it might air in September or November.

I think it was me!  I did hear (read) that, but nothing more about it since then. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 01:48:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2009, 01:50:20 AM
Does anyone know what happened to that guy who put Joran on a lie detector and was suppose to sell it to some station?  I wonder if Peter is going to take the bait and air it?  I did not put much faith in that to begin with.  just another quick way to make money for Joran.

Jaap guy?  Dunno...thanks. Blue Moon

TM & SusieQ....your contributions are much appreciated.   

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikel_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.html&ei=JBFYSu7_Cceptge5iqndCg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Terror%2BJaap%2522%252BJoran%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10

(http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikelen/hoofd/foto_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.jpg)

JMO, I think it will eventually be shown (who knows when), but I'll be very surprised if Peter is involved.

TY 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::
I asked about that as well a few days ago..... I forgot who (my apologies) said they heard it might air in September or November.

I think it was me!  I did hear (read) that, but nothing more about it since then. 
Yes! You are right -- it was you! Again, my apologies!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 01:53:14 AM
Does anyone know what happened to that guy who put Joran on a lie detector and was suppose to sell it to some station?  I wonder if Peter is going to take the bait and air it?  I did not put much faith in that to begin with.  just another quick way to make money for Joran.

Jaap guy?  Dunno...thanks. Blue Moon

TM & SusieQ....your contributions are much appreciated.   

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikel_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.html&ei=JBFYSu7_Cceptge5iqndCg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Terror%2BJaap%2522%252BJoran%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10

(http://www.showbiznewz.nl/artikelen/hoofd/foto_5421_fotos-terror-jaap-en-joran-van-der-sloot-alle-fotos-op-een-rij.jpg)

JMO, I think it will eventually be shown (who knows when), but I'll be very surprised if Peter is involved.

TY 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::
I asked about that as well a few days ago..... I forgot who (my apologies) said they heard it might air in September or November.

I think it was me!  I did hear (read) that, but nothing more about it since then. 
Yes! You are right -- it was you! Again, my apologies!

No problem wreck!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 11, 2009, 02:41:39 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:27:58 AM
Coincidence?? Maybe. I haven't had time to check it out.

Just want some of the guests in the rafters to know that we'll never stop looking  ::MonkeyDevil::



http://www.plumtv.com/topics/ariel_stein/index.html
 
Produced by Michael Honablue
Miami Beach, Summer Season Guide: Real Estate & Design District Shopping
In this episode, Katrina Campins takes Plum hosts Ariel Stein and Julia Dykstra on a tour of real estate in hopes to find a summer home.


http://www.poptower.com/ariel-stein-miami-social.htm

Ariel Stein stars on Bravo's reality docu-drama, "Miami Social."

Ariel from "Miami Social" is one of the key players in the Miami nightlife scene, a regular at the hottest parties and clubs in town and always on the VIP list. Never one to sit still, Ariel Stein works as one of Miami's premiere fashion producers and also serves as Vice President of one of the family business, 20/20 Vision Management, Inc. Ariel Stein counts his social life as his other occupation, and is personal friends with some of Miami's top fashion designers and celebrities. There is never a dull moment with Ariel Stein, who considers the posh area of South Beach his personal playground. Tapped into the fashion, entertainment and celebrity world of Miami, Ariel Stein continues to make his mark as part of the fast-paced "It Crowd."


And finally ( Sorry for link -- don't know how to post this pic :oops:  )

(http://i7.tinypic.com/21b6wbq.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:32:11 AM
Meant to add to .....

Several of us researched the 'domestic battery' charge back then, and 'Ariel Stein' was a male.........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:37:28 AM
Out of practice posting  ::MonkeyLaugh:: I hit enter too soon.



Meant to add to above.....as to why I'm wondering about the coincidence.....


Several of us researched the 'domestic battery' charge back then, and 'Ariel Stein' was a male.........

who was also a 'party planner' like his friend Ernie

on Miami Beach

have a great day Monkeys


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:41:01 AM
Today in Natalee Holloway history:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/11/


“They Buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts
From Diario: Geen lijk is geen zaak” tabata palabranan di rumannan Kalpoe na Recherche PROME DECLARACION DI JORAN TABATA CU NAN A DERA NATALEE

Here is a bombshell article from Diario:

Geen lijk is geen zaak” tabata palabranan di rumannan Kalpoe na Recherche PROME DECLARACION DI JORAN TABATA CU NAN A DERA NATALEE

“No body means no case” were the words of the Kalpoe brothers to the Detectives FIRST DECLARATION OF JORAN WAS THAT THEY BURIED NATALEE

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Manera ta conoci diamars awor lo tin e caso di apelacion di ministerio publico contra decision di huez comisario cu a laga e dos sospechosonan Kalpoe liber y tambe lo tin e caso contra decision di huez comisario di parti di abogado di Joran van der Sloot kende su detencion a worde prolonga.

ORANJESTAD (AAN): As is known this Tuesday the appeal of the Justice Department against the decision of the judge commissioner to let the the two Kalpoe suspects free and there will also be the appeal against the decision of the judge commissioner on the part of Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer whose detention had been prolonged.

Segun informacion cu DIARIO ta hayando ta bisa cu na prome instante ora cu Joran van der Sloot a worde deteni el a cuminsa yora durante interogacion y te hasta a bisa agentenan cu nan a dera Natalee banda di Fishermenhuts.

According to information that DIARIO is receiving, when Joran van der Sloot was detained he started crying during interrogation and he even told officers that they buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts.

Segun por a saca afor e no ta corda na unda precisamente, pero den vecindario di e Fishermenhuts e ruman grandi Kalpoe a dera Natalee. El a bisa polisnan di lo duna su cooperacion cual no a dura mucho.

It could be deduced that he doesn’t remember precisely where, but in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts, the elder Kalpoe brother buried Natalee. He told police that he would cooperate but that didn’t last long.

Ora cu el a bisa cu ta nan a dera Natalee, el a ser confronta cu e dos rumannan Kalpoe cu a hera bira loco riba dje unda nan a nenga loke Joran a bisa.

When he said that they buired Natalee, he was confronted by the two Kalpoe brothers who almost went crazy on him and denied what Joran said.

Despues di esey e no a duna su cooperacion mas tampoco na Recherchenan cu tabata haci investigacion.

After that he did not give his cooperation either to the Detectives who were investigating.

Despues ora cu bay interoge, te hasta e tabata bisa polisnan : “Mi no tin ningun c.Ã ±. di bisa boso”.

When he was being interrogated, he even told the cops: ” I don’t have any f*c* to tell you.”

Durante interogacion e tabata mustra basta rabia den direccion di nos agentenan y tabata calma te ora cu nan hibe cel back.

During interrogation he was very angry with our cops and only calmed down when he was brought back to his cell.

Pa loke ta rumannan Kalpoe, nan tambe tabata haci chercha di nos autoridad pasobra cu nan tabata gewoon bisa e agentenan : “Geen Lijk is Geen Zaak”.

As for the Kalpoe Brothers, they also made fun of our authority because they simply told the cops: “No Body means No Case”.

Mirando e declaracion di e sospechosonan ta prueba cu e sospechosonan tabata bon getrain pa un persona cu sa di ley.

Looking at the declarations of the suspects proofs that they were well trained by a person who knows the law.

Aki nos no kier bay specula ta kende , pero por asumi si ta kende por ta tras di henter e asunto aki si mira cu “Around the Pool” tabata tin cierto palabracionnan haci unda te hasta un abogado tabata presente.

Here we don’t want to speculate who this is, but it can be assumed who could be behind this whole matter if you look that “Around the Pool” there were certain agreements made where even a lawyer was present.

E declaracionnan haci aki ta e motibo cu e team tras di e caso aki tabata hopi sigur di nan mes aunke e pruebanan no tabata tey.

The declarations made is the reason why the team behind this case were very sure of themselves even though there was no proof.

Awor ta wardando resultado di e testnan cu a bay Hulanda y si nan bolbe y resulta cu ta positivo, tin mas motibo pa tene e sospechoso cu a keda.

Now we’re waiting the test results that went to the Netherlands and if they come back and the result is positive, there is even more reason to hold the remaining suspect.

Di otro banda nos a haya informacion cu por spera sorpresa ainda e siman aki riba e mesun caso pasobra e team ta trahando keto bay riba e caso aki.

On the other hand we received information that surprises can be expected this week still on the same case because the team is continuously working on this case.

Translation by Aruba Girl

Update: One wonders how such a story could actually be true when if this actually occurred on the first day of interrogations would not the investigators gone to the spot where he claims he buried her and found Natalee. Just a thought.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:43:41 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/11/search-for-natalee-holloway-with-f16s-yields-no-results/

Search For Natalee Holloway with F16’s yields No Results
 
Zoektocht van F-16s naar Holloway zonder resultaat/Search for Holloway with F16’s yields no results

The latest effort to find Natalee Holloway with Dutch F-16’s has yielded no results and the planes will cease searching operations as the three F-16 fighter jets are to return to base in the Netherlands.

Zoektocht F-16’s zonder resultaat

ANP

ORANJESTAD - De drie Nederlandse F-16’s die vorige week op Aruba zochten naar het lichaam van de vermiste tiener Natalee Holloway, hebben niets gevonden.

Dat heeft Jack Goense, commandant van het detachement F-16’s, maandag bekendgemaakt. ,,Wij hebben niets opmerkelijks kunnen vinden met onze sensoren dat duidt op aanwezigheid van de vermiste persoon”, aldus Goense. ,,Dit sluit niet uit dat Holloway op het eiland is, maar voor onze sensoren is het in ieder geval niet zichtbaar.” De F-16’s hebben gedurende elf vluchten opnames gemaakt van het hele eiland, hoewel het Arubaanse onderzoeksteam alleen maar van bepaalde delen een opname wilde. ,Onze sensoren stelden ons in staat om naast de gebieden met prioriteit, het hele eiland centimeter voor centimeter in beeld te brengen.”

De F-16’s hebben inmiddels de opdracht gekregen om terug te keren naar Nederland. Het Openbaar Ministerie op Aruba wilde maandagmorgen nog niet reageren op het resultaat van het onderzoek. De 18-jarige Holloway is sinds 30 mei spoorloos. De 17-jarige Joran van der S. zit vast op verdenking van betrokkenheid. De twee Surinaamse broers Satish en Deepak K. gelden ook als verdachten, maar ze zijn vorige week vrijgelaten uit hun voorlopige hechtenis.

English Tralslation:

Search for Holloway with F16’s yields no results

ORANJESTAD (ANP) The three dutch F16’s sent last week for Aruba to search for the body of the missing teenager Natalee Holloway have found nothing. Jack Goense, commander of the dutch detachment told Monday. ”We have found nothing with our sensors that could indicate a presence of a missing person”. Groene told. ”That doesn’t mean she is not somewhere on the Island but she is not visible on our sensors”.The F16’s mapped the entire Island in eleven sorties, the Aruban government requested to scan certain parts of the Island although the Aruban research team only wanted prerecording of certain parts.

”Our sensors enabled us to scan the entire Island centimeter by centimeter in combination with the search on area’s of high priority.

F-16’s have meanwhile got to return to the Netherlands. The Public Prosecution Service on Aruba didn`t want to react to the result of the research Monday morning, yet the 18 year old Holloway has been vanished without a trace, since may 30th the 17 year old Joran of the S. been held on suspicion of involvement. The two Surinamese brothers Satish and Deepak k. are being considered also as suspects, but they have been last week released from their provisional detention.

Hat Tip: Gerben aka Pays Bas & HannieC for translations

Also fromExpatica; Dutch Air Force ends Holloway search Hat Tip: Riehl World

CNN: Dutch jets find no sign of missing teen

Final examinations of the photos will be conducted back in the Netherlands, Aruban government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said.

But authorities are “99 percent sure” that Holloway, who was last seen early on May 30, is no longer on the island, he said.

Three F-16s from the Dutch air force, equipped with lasers and special cameras, made several passes over the island last week in hopes of finding some clue to Holloway’s disappearance.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:46:09 AM
ok -- my last one for today  ::MonkeyAngel::


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/11/so-beth-twitty-was-not-responsible-for-loss-of-job/

Beth Twitty Not Responsible for Loss of Job Because of Comments
 
Last week when Beth Twitty went on Aruban radio to apologize for her comments she made regarding the Kalpoe brothers, many Arubans wanted her to do even more. Many callers including John Merryweather, protest organizer stated that Mrs. Ramirez, the Kalpoe brother’s mom lost her job at the Steakhouse at Manchebo because of the words that Beth Twitty had said. So on top of the fact of dealing with the vanishing of her daughter and the uproar over the comments she made; Beth is also some how responsible for a lost job. Many people insinuated that it was Beth’s fault because of her words was why Ramirez was fired and that she should some how feel bad and talk to the Manchebo Steak House to help get her job back. I wonder where Mr. Merryweather’s and others apologies are to Beth?

Not so fast. According to Amigoe.com, ‘Ontslag voor moeder Kalpoe-broers’.

ORANJESTAD — “Het ontslag van Nadira Ramirez, de moeder van Statish en Deepak Kalpoe, heeft niks te maken met de zaak-Holloway of het feit dat zij de moeder is van de broers Kalpoe”, zo verklaart Ike Cohen, directeur van het Manchebo hotel.

English Translation:

ORANJESTAD —- “The firing of Nadira Ramirez, the mother of Statish [sic] and Deepak Kalpoe, has nothing to do with the Holloway-case or the fact that she is the mother of the brothers Kalpoe”, so explains Ike Cohen, director of the Manchebo Hotel.

Hereby Cohen reacts to the expressions of Ramirez in a morning newspaper that says that her firing relates to the Holloway-case. Cohen: “We have given Mrs. Ramirez the reasons for the firings, both verbally and in writing It is not up to us make the reasons for this firing public, since we are of the opinion that it would violate the privacy of Mrs. Ramirez.

The alleged reason that Ramirez was fired would have been fraud. After being off from her work on Monday and Tuesday because of the freeing of her sons Ramirez appeared Wednesday again at her work in the Steakhouse of Manchebo. She was called to the Management, her thinking was that she would have been congratulated. This was not the case. In presence of her highest boss Cohen was she told that she was fired. The alleged fraud would have been committed when she cancelled orders that the clients ate or drank, thus Ramirez would have allegedly put the money in her own pocket. Ramirez denies to have committed fraud and is thinking of fighting her ficanceledring. Ramirez worked nine years in the Steakhouse at Manchebo.

Hat Tip: Aruba Girl for translation



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 10:31:05 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10106/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07022009_24ora_TouristDrowns.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

tourist is hoga (drowned) at height of RIU resort

thursday, 02 july 2009 - 16:26

one tourist cu is of visit at aruba owing to leave for one instant for disfruta of his vakantie. the ladicidi of bay dive. at instant cu the person here tawata dive past owing to confronta problem in sea y owing to cuminsa struggle for his life. the instructor cu experencia owing to try of juda the person here even cu cpr but this not owing to juda. imediatamente owing to place the person upstairs the boat for hibe canto for so the ricibi tratamento medico profesional. at jegada personal of ambulance not can owing to make nothing more for her person. we of 24ora.com wanted owing to extende one word of deep condolencia y compel for her family cu is at vakantie at aruba. click read more for more photograph. come across

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/0702200924ora_TouristDrowns.jpg)

Poor guy!  No telling how long he laid there!

WHY did they bring him and lay him out here to be picked up instead of calling the authorities/ambulance from the boat?  Another dive party appointment? 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news1.html

From Today's Diario

Original Text:

Caso tragico banda di Pedernales...

TURISTA A HAYA ATAKE DI CURAZON ORA DI SAMBUYA



ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un caso tragico a keda registra Diahuebs atardi algo prome cu 3:45’or, riba laman pabao di Aruba.

   E turista Michael Freer, ta di bishita na Aruba, y a bay practica deporte di Buceo, cu un team na e area cu piscadornan conoce como “Pedernales”.



   Tur cos a bay bon.  Despues di a check presion di tankinan di gas, y tambe tur demas equipo, a baha bay check e maraviya sub marino di Laman Caribe.

   Pero algo a bay malo, y diripiente Michael a cuminza haci señal cu e ta den problema.  Mesora esnan banda di dje a compronde cu e ta den problema serio, y el a worde hisa back den boto.

   Aki a bin ripara cu e no ta duna ningun reaccion mas, y cu posiblemente su curazon a stop di bati.

   Un di esnan abordo di e Dive Boat, cu sa di First Aid, mesora a cuminza practica CPR riba dje, y na mesun momento a lanta anker, y cuminza mobiliza back pa De Palm Pier, cu ta keda net mey-mey di Riu Palace Aruba Hotel y Westin Aruba Resort & Spa.

   Via di celular ya caba a cuminza pidi auxilio, den forma di Ambulans.   Ora cu a yega na De Palm Pier, mesora paramedi conan a tuma over y a cuminza sigui traha cune, check su señalnan vita, pero ya no por a haci nada mas.

   Banda di 4:35 p.m., Docter Yagua-Fingal a presenta, y a constata morto di Michael Freer, un Mericano di 58 aña di edad, kende ta hospedando cu su famia na La Cabana All Suite Beach Resort. Tin indicacion cu el a haya atake di curazon.  Condolencia na e famianan.



Papiamentu translation:

caso tragico near of pedernales... tourist owing to achieve atake of curazon hour of diving oranjestad (aan): one caso tragico owing to stay registra diahuebs nightfall algo first cu 3:45’or, on sea pabao of aruba. the tourist michael freer, is of visit at aruba, y owing to bay practica sport of buceo, cu one team at the area cu piscadornan conoce because; “pedernales”. all cos owing to bay good. after of owing to check presion of tankinan of gas, y also all other equipo, owing to descend bay check the maraviya sub marino of sea caribe. but algo owing to bay bad, y diripiente michael owing to cuminza haci sign cu the is in problem. at once esnan near of dje owing to compronde cu the is in problem earnest, y past owing to worde hoist back in boat. here owing to come ripara cu the do not give none reaccion more, y cu posiblemente his curazon owing to stop of beat. one of esnan abordo of the dive boat, cu know of first aid, at once owing to cuminza practica cpr on dje, y at same instant owing to arise anchor, y cuminza mobiliza back for de palm pier, cu is stay just mey-mey of river palace aruba hotel y westin aruba resort & spa. via of celular already end owing to cuminza ask help, in form of ambulance. hour cu owing to arrive at de palm pier, at once paramedi conan did take over y owing to cuminza follow work cune, check his señalnan vita, but already not can owing to haci nothing more. near of 4:35 therefore.m., docter yagua-fingal owing to present, y owing to constata dead of michael freer, one mericano of 58 year of edad, that is hospedando cu his family at la cabana all suite beach resort. have indicacion cu past owing to achieve atake of curazon. condolencia at the famianan. come across

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thought the way they brought this man in themselves and laid him out to be picked up was very hinkey...and had serious doubts that the cause of his death was a heart attack!

http://www.cdnn.info/news/safety/s090710a.html

Another Aruba scuba diving accident kills Texas educator

by LUTHER MONROE @ CDNN - Cyber Diver News Network

July 10, 2009

ORANGESTAD, Aruba — Less than a week after a young novice diver was critically injured in Aruba by a dive boat propeller, another scuba diving accident there killed a Texas educator.

Authorities told CDNN that Michael Freer, 55, died on July 2 while scuba diving during a holiday in Aruba.

Police declined to release details about the fatal scuba diving accident, which is still under investigation.

Previously, CDNN reported about a young woman who was critically injured in the final week of June while scuba diving in Aruba with Mermaid Divers.

A dive boat owned and operated by Mermaid Divers ran over and nearly killed the woman.

In December, a renowned community leader from Canada died in Aruba while scuba diving with Clive Paula of Dive Aruba.


Natural educator

Freer was a chemistry teacher at Deweyville High School and previously worked for many years as an air quality inspector for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality.

He was raised in La Marque on the Texas Gulf Coast and graduated from Lamar University with a master's degree.

Described by family, friends and co-workers as a natural educator, Freer taught industry personnel about the state emissions evaluation while working with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality and was active in the Jason Project in Southeast Texas.

Freer is survived by his wife, Donna Lavine Freer, and daughters Melissa and Ally Freer.
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 11, 2009, 11:24:15 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
I haven't seen an update yet on the condition of this tourist that was injured Friday.  The last report was of "stable" condition.  But couldn't you also be "stable" and in a coma?  The telephone number on the boat involved is to Mermaid Sport Divers. (I didn't post the picture that shows the complete phone number but you can see it at the Awe24 link if interested.)

http://www.scubadivers-aruba.com/

6/27/2009 Bondia Front Page

http://bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06272009BondiaFrontPage.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1142&offId=10&offDate=2009-06

Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 26/06/2009 | horario: 14:59

tourist is cay for of boat cu owing to bay for dive then the wiek owing to strike the at his cabes cu urgencia owing to hibe hospital diabierna morning owing to enter informe of one caso at barcadera where cu boat cu owing to bay take away turistanan for dive owing to happen on one tourist cu owing to cay for of the boat, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance for her sitio. at arrival of the patrol they owing to encontra cu one boat cu owing to end of bring one victima of one accidente in lama, is deal here of one tourist cu will owing to cay for of boat y after of esey the wiek of the boat will owing to strike his cabes. mirando the gravedad owing to ask presencia of ambulance cu urgencia, at arrival of the ambulance at once they owing to tume over for of the boat y owing to pase in ambulance for so owing to hibe hospital. according one ultimo informe his condicion is stabiel. autoridad have the caso here bao investigacion.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06262009Awe24_TouristAccident_Merma.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%208%20062009/06262009Awe24_TouristAccident_Me-4.jpg)

Edit to correct day of accident per texasmom.  MB

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58829.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Tourist seriously injured

29 Jun, 2009, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A tourist has her head injury last Friday during a diving course. The woman knocked her head against the propeller of the boat while the engine is running. She was a deep cut and injuries to her nose. Also, the air hose cut by the tourist lot of water got inside. The woman was saved by the diving which reanimeerde. She was then urgently transferred to hospital where she is currently in critical but stable condition in the intensive care unit is located.

http://www.cdnn.info/news/safety/s090628b.html

Mermaid Divers dive boat hits, critically injures scuba diving customer

by LUTHER MONROE @ CDNN - Cyber Diver News Network

June 28, 2009

ORANGESTAD, Aruba — A young woman is in hospital in critical condition after she was run over by a dive boat.

Authorities have not yet identified the victim but told CDNN she was a novice diver who was scuba diving with Mermaid Divers.

Witnesses said the woman apparently had problems controlling her buoyancy and started to ascend from a depth of about six meters.

Meanwhile, the dive boat was drifting towards shore due to problems with its anchoring equipment.

An employee of Mermaid Divers turned on the boat's engine to move the vessel into deeper water and ran over the victim.

A dive guide found her unconscious on the bottom without a diving mask, regulator out and air hose severed.

He pulled her to the surface and started CPR.

The woman regained consciousness and was transferred to an ambulance that rushed her to hospital where she remains in critical condition due to head injuries caused by the dive boat's propeller.

The accident is under police investigation.
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 12:48:29 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_59076.php

Google translation:

Submitted
Harsh times for MEP
4 Jul, 2009, 15:25 (GMT -04:00)


Our Prime Minister Nelson Oduber is hard on the road by his excessive foot part of his voters to alienate. The Netherlands will be possible mismanagement and there is Nel not happy. Certainly not just for the elections in September.

Now is a 'Netherlands' announced research regarding maladministration in Aruba often announced in the 22 years that I live here, but the Netherlands' hooked end always because they were subject to colonial. But this once, 'The Netherlands' to their guns, goes through with the investigation and does not take into account the cry of Nel. The study, with or without the assistance of Nel. And so it should be! Al throws' The Netherlands' also coal on the fire by Nel including the biggest crook in the Caribbean called.
But anyway, Nel lost by his bad attitude certainly 1 or 2 seats and there are serious irregularities emerge, we can still be 1 or 2 seats to count. I would therefore not be surprised if Nel before the elections gave the pipe to Maarten. Add it to the distaste of many for Booshi Wever, then the MEP is very bad.

Well I hope that the vote loss of the MEP to the small parties. We in a new government as "watchdogs" very much needed.
And my advice to Nel: "Keep your big mouth, this way you will stay only on your hard core MEP and get no further than most 6 a 7 seats. And in that case, the ASF as the winner might even look around the corner. "

René van Nie,
Aruba

RESPONSE:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59345.php

Google translation:

Prosperous times for MEP

9 Jul, 2009, 12:33 (GMT -04:00)

  Email this article
  Print this article
 
IN THE Amigoe of Saturday, July 4, 2009, we noted that a certain Rene van Nie (another Wilders or Brinkman?) A document is submitted under the headline "Barre Times MEP. René van Nie This has in his head met our Prime Minister Nelson Oduber of a big mouth to criticize, and he is so far gone to our Prime Minister to recommend to his mouth to keep.

On behalf of the MEP more than 22,000 voters, and on September 25, 2009 more forthcoming, we will a few words to Rene van Nie drabble. Hereafter, we will not respond because of our very valuable time.
Again we may Nie to inform - that he is so naive to not know - that our Prime Minister and leader of the MEP, Mr. Nelson Oduber, twice (2001 and 2005) to the MEP largest party in Aruba and in the Kingdom came. Twelve seats in 2001 and eleven seats in 2005 before the year 1989 to count. And now it seems that the MEP under the leadership of Mr. Nelson Oduber on September 25, 2009 again as the largest party in the bus will come. This will certainly ensure Aruban people.

This can and should our Prime Minister a big mouth and René van Nie is the last person here in Aruba and in the world to say that our Prime Minister has a big mouth and advise him to keep his big mouth. People like those of Nie, we have thirteen in a dozen on Aruba. People such as Van Nie we have here in Aruba is not necessary. That we have Rudy Lampe, Mike Eman, ANDIN Bikker and others.
Who are you to say that the MEP one or two seats is going to lose? The MEP has your vote not needed for the elections of September 25th leading again to win.

Regarding the investigation of the Netherlands, we will very briefly: "Over our dead body." Netherlands and / or no investigation in Aruba setup without the consent and cooperation of the MEP government. Under a government other signature may be the case. The fact is that the same aircraft that the alleged researchers here in Aruba countries, they will leave. It is better that the Netherlands as soon as possible an investigation, for example, the bouwfraude in Limburg, the XTC laboratories in the Netherlands, and weed-tasting meals in Spain recently where the police one of the biggest drug bosses in Europe and the largest ecstasy-trader arrested, of whom turned out that he is a European Dutchman named Tjalling of KV, acting under the name of "Carlos".

Last but not least, René van Nie, in Aruba, we always have great respect for the Prime Minister of any political party whatsoever. A little respect from your side for our Prime Minister is needed.

Manolo Gielen,
(on behalf of Party MEP)
Aruba


(Note: before the translation, the respondent's name showed as Manolo "Giel".  The Gielen caught my eye too!   ::MonkeyDevil:: )


From Rene Van Nie's website:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.renevannie.com%2Finhoud%2Fkritisch%2F_kritisch.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=


Quote
This piece was also submitted in the Amigoe.
Wednesday was a reaction in which I suddenly
to Rene WILDERS was' promoted '.


Ridiculous and stupid.


Nel Oduber be happy with my story which I him
but warned that his attitude could lead to loss of votes.
I tried the only man to help and do not think he help of my
  'Namesake' would have been.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 11, 2009, 01:08:13 PM
Meant to add to .....

Several of us researched the 'domestic battery' charge back then, and 'Ariel Stein' was a male.........


I remember this Sharon. Grande was also searching this back then. I miss him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 01:35:29 PM
Meant to add to .....

Several of us researched the 'domestic battery' charge back then, and 'Ariel Stein' was a male.........


I remember this Sharon. Grande was also searching this back then. I miss him.

Yes SusieQ -- I believe the link I saved to the 'charge' was from Grande.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I live in the area, so it was interesting to learn the Florida statutes for domestic battery  ::MonkeyWink:: I posted them back when.  And I was able to determine who Ariel was -- at least at that time.

It was wierd to me to hear his name mentioned on the local news in connection with a new TV series about the area. (OT -- I'd suggest 'Burn Notice' instead, if you want to watch a series filmed locally. lol)

I haven't seen Grande in a long while -- I wanted to tell him that I recently had an appointment in '401 Brickell' -- but could NOT find Bangbus listed on the main directory  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I tried to take pics with my phone ::MonkeyLaugh:: so I could see what was listed at the suite address (iirc it was on the 10th floor) -- but I was so nervous that my hands were shaking and the camera was resembling Blair Witch project. And I don't know how to get the pictures off my phone :oops:

 ::MonkeyDevil::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 01:45:34 PM
Meant to add to .....

Several of us researched the 'domestic battery' charge back then, and 'Ariel Stein' was a male.........


I remember this Sharon. Grande was also searching this back then. I miss him.

Yes SusieQ -- I believe the link I saved to the 'charge' was from Grande.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I live in the area, so it was interesting to learn the Florida statutes for domestic battery  ::MonkeyWink:: I posted them back when.  And I was able to determine who Ariel was -- at least at that time.

It was wierd to me to hear his name mentioned on the local news in connection with a new TV series about the area. (OT -- I'd suggest 'Burn Notice' instead, if you want to watch a series filmed locally. lol)

I haven't seen Grande in a long while -- I wanted to tell him that I recently had an appointment in '401 Brickell' -- but could NOT find Bangbus listed on the main directory  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I tried to take pics with my phone ::MonkeyLaugh:: so I could see what was listed at the suite address (iirc it was on the 10th floor) -- but I was so nervous that my hands were shaking and the camera was resembling Blair Witch project. And I don't know how to get the pictures off my phone :oops:

 ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was just reading about the new TV series!

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/05/miami_social_set_to_debut_next.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 11, 2009, 01:55:18 PM
Sharon, I may be wrong, and probably am but I have Bang Bus listed in my old notes as 444 Brickell. Is it all in one building?

I also have Aruba Aloe listed at 701 Bickell. Wonder if it is still there?

Here is Michael Freer obituary. I'll just post the link in case anyone is interested.

http://www.dormanfuneralhome.com/index.cfm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
Sharon, I may be wrong, and probably am but I have Bang Bus listed in my old notes as 444 Brickell. Is it all in one building?

I also have Aruba Aloe listed at 701 Bickell. Wonder if it is still there?

Here is Michael Freer obituary. I'll just post the link in case anyone is interested.

http://www.dormanfuneralhome.com/index.cfm

Yes -- I meant 444 Brickell. A very old office building -- most have been torn down and replaced with modern skyscrapers. Still home to the Capital Grille. And doctor's offices and the like.

Sorry -- I'm multitasking, and obviously don't do it well (which is why I rarely post anymore) lol.

I'd have to check about 701 -- I believe it it still there. And I don't remember if it is a 'new building' -- but I think it is.

But I do believe the remaining addresses (including 1101 -- I forget who is there) are primarily attorneys and registered agents and other international type services. This is very very expensive real estate we are talking about here -- and the high rises are filled with international everything. And the entire area has been under construction (or under seige, as I see it) for the past 7 years at least. To add more high rises of course. Brickell Avenue, rather than downtown Miami, is considered our Financial District.

This area also includes residential and mixed use high rises.

I've lived here 23 years and have witnessed 'the progress' first hand.   ::MonkeyWaa::

I may be over that way tomorrow. I don't live far.  I'll ask hubby to drive slowly so I can try to verify building numbers.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 11, 2009, 03:38:01 PM
Thanks Sharon, the farest south in Florida I have been is Daytona Beach and Orlando. We lived in Daytona Beach in the late fifties for a year. Nothing like it is now. Have a brother in Orlando area and a son in Panama City.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 11, 2009, 03:41:52 PM
Bangbus is Inactive but notice the businesses in Association with


Business Name:BANG BROTHERS ENTERTAINMENT, INC
Officer's Physical:444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
Physical Address:444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officer's Physical:444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officer's Physical:444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officer's Physical:444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
Corporate ID:FLP02000072101
Filing Type:DOMESTIC FOR PROFIT
Filing State:FL
Start Date:07/01/2002
Status:INACTIVE
Federal Tax ID:134211697
Registry Number:P02000072101
Address(es):444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
444  Brickell   Ave  # 1001,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officers/Directors:
Officer/Owner Name:ARVIN,  JOSHA
Officer/Owner Name:ENTNER,  GREGORY
Officer/Owner Name:GARNER,  ROBERT
Officer/Owner Name:HINSON,  KRISTOPHER
Associated Business(es):
Business Name:BANG BUS, INC
Business Name:OX CASH, INC
Business Name:BAIT BUS, INC
Business Name:BACK ROOM PRODUCTIONS, INC


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 11, 2009, 03:47:58 PM
Business Name:ARUBA ALOE OF AMERICA, INC
Physical Address:701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officer's Physical:701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officer's Physical:701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officer's Physical:701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officer's Physical:701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
Corporate ID:FLH21511
Filing Type:DOMESTIC FOR PROFIT
Filing State:FL
Start Date:09/18/1984
Status:ACTIVE
Federal Tax ID:592447412
Registry Number:H21511
Address(es):701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
701  Brickell   Ave  # 1400,  Miami,  FL  33131
Officers/Directors:
Officer/Owner Name:HENRIQUEZ,  MICHEL
Officer/Owner Name:LA ROSA,  ROBIN
Officer/Owner Name:POSNER,  LOUIS  A
Officer/Owner Name:VEEL,  JACOBOS  N


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 11, 2009, 03:48:41 PM
Backroom Productions, Inc. is a website design, website programming, website maintenance and website hosting company based in San Juan, Puerto Rico and Miami, Florida.

It was created by Javier Figueroa and Maria Isabel Cid in January 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backroom_Productions

 :smt102

http://www.backroompr.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 03:50:28 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10311/5/

Papiamentu translation:

chaos overall at airport door cu sistema owing to crash

saturday, 11 july 2009 - 13:59

at the momentonan here is queen one chaos overall at airport door cu the sistema new cu they're using apparently have to owing to crash. the informacion cu we of 24ora.com owing to succeed is cu yesterday the sistema cu airport is using for so throw up all informacion of cada tourist cu enter y leave for of aruba, have to owing to crash y they have to declaration of policy everything bek for so succeed of hanja all the informacion here cu is enough. is pesey they owing to ask cada for cada tourist check in one pair of horas more trempan. turistanan not tawata have none problem for check in trempan, but they not owing to wait for the situation less agreeable hour cu they have to owing to stop in one file enough largo y also some have to owing to stop in the sun cayente. we is wait for cu esnan responsible at airport at the momentonan here can make algo tocante this, y alaves informa we of 24ora.com what genuinely will can owing to happen cu the sistema cu today we have one chaos at airport. click read ace for more imagen come across



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 11, 2009, 04:06:52 PM
Gotta Go! Have A Good Day Everyone!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 04:12:49 PM
Gotta Go! Have A Good Day Everyone!  ::MonkeyCool::

You too Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 07:26:03 PM
Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07112009_Amigoe_SexCrime.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
Thanks Sharon, the farest south in Florida I have been is Daytona Beach and Orlando. We lived in Daytona Beach in the late fifties for a year. Nothing like it is now. Have a brother in Orlando area and a son in Panama City.

Yes -- I'm sure those areas are vastly different now  ::MonkeyLaugh::

As is Miami. And yes, I do live here willingly and by choice  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll report back if I can confirm 701 still exists.

I had a friend that worked in 1101 for a long time, and he worked for a large law firm. And there were many others in the building. And foreign consulates and tourism pr offices, iirc.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:44:34 PM
hotping

I do not know what happened to Bangbus or if they are still there. I have lots of research on another computer on the company if you're interested.

I remember in my research, that the company was  started by 2 college kids who bacame man & wife and then divorced. They went to U of FL in Gainsville? if iirc?

They were owned by a company of another name -- iirc. I don't have any recollection at the moment. Fogot so much  ::MonkeyNoNo:: After so long  ::MonkeyWaa::

I think (if iirc) this parent company was involved in some legal matters with the feds (FTC?) back in 2005.


Hey 2NJ I'll have to read your link. The name is not sparking anything at the moment. (yeah -- the memory thing. lol)






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2009, 07:45:32 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1012664

Happy Hour Bacardi Mojito @ South Beach Lounge 10Juli

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1012666&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=2f2a58904bf90e569be13a0d56b9d35f)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2009, 07:45:57 PM
Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07112009_Amigoe_SexCrime.jpg)

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

pitiful

Thanks tm



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2009, 07:52:17 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock5.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on July 11, 2009, 08:44:30 PM
TM - thank you, for this and for the daily pictorial reminders.


This is interesting as Patrick is back in Aruba - I don't really believe the vacation part....

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1237&offId=0&offDate=2009-07

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07072009Awe24_PatrickVanderEem_A-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 07/07/2009 | horario: 06:35

ladronnan owing to break enter y steal for of car of huur of patrick van der eem staciona in the parkinglot of bestuurskantoor tuesday madruga owing to enter informe cu ladronnan owing to break enter steal for of one v-auto, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol at the sitio owing to come constata cu ladronnan owing to steal tapanan of wiel, several cd y also they wanted owing to bay cu the car but n owing to succeed. is deal here of one car cu the conocido patrick v/d eem cual is esun cu owing to let instala camara of video in his car for so graba joran v/d sloot his confesion. patrick self is of vacacion at aruba the dianan here. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07072009Awe24_PatrickVanderEem_2_12.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07072009Awe24_PatrickVanderEem_3_12.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07072009Awe24_PatrickVanderEem_4_12.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07072009Awe24_PatrickVanderEem_5_12.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07072009Awe24_PatrickVanderEem_6_12.jpg)









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 11, 2009, 08:45:03 PM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

I like that picture that way.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 11, 2009, 08:51:11 PM
Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07112009_Amigoe_SexCrime.jpg)

18 months for an eight year old child.  This makes me sick, mad, sick.  That island is sick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on July 11, 2009, 09:20:08 PM



::MonkeyDance::  Today... We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee Holloway!   ::MonkeyDance:: 



     
Tick Tock   Tick Tock   Tick Tock  Tick Tock     Tick Tock  Tick Tock  Tick Tock




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 11, 2009, 09:30:56 PM



::MonkeyDance::  Today... We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee Holloway!   ::MonkeyDance:: 



     
Tick Tock   Tick Tock   Tick Tock  Tick Tock     Tick Tock  Tick Tock  Tick Tock




 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Everyday puts us one step closer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on July 11, 2009, 09:45:31 PM

Quote from: Magnolia on April 20, 2009, 11:25:11 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg776545#msg776545)

Quote

LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK'S ORIGINAL FILM NATALEE HOLLOWAY BECOMES NETWORK'S HIGHEST RATED MOVIE EVER

Sunday, April 19, Premiere of NATALEE HOLLOWAY is the Highest Rated Movie in All of Basic Cable in the Last 12 Months Among Women 18-49

Original Movie Breaks Ratings Records Among Total Viewers, Households, Women 18-49, Women 25-54 and Women 18+

Movie Based on Beth Holloway's Book Delivers More Than 3.2 Million Total Viewers

LOS ANGELES, CA (April 20, 2009) Lifetime Movie Network's Original Movie Natalee Holloway delivered the Network's highest ratings ever in its 11-year history, garnering 3.2 million Total Viewers and breaking all previous records set among the Network's key women demographics with its Sunday, April 19, premiere. The movie, starring Tracy Pollan (Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) as Holloway's mother Beth, was also the highest rated movie in ad-supported basic cable in the last 12 months among Women 18-49.

Based on Holloway's book, Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith, Natalee Holloway scored record ratings among Total Viewers, Households, Women 18-49,Women 25-54 and Women 18+, according to Nielsen fast national reporting.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2009, 10:24:36 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/zoom3-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 11, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10311/5/

Papiamentu translation:

chaos overall at airport door cu sistema owing to crash

saturday, 11 july 2009 - 13:59

at the momentonan here is queen one chaos overall at airport door cu the sistema new cu they're using apparently have to owing to crash. the informacion cu we of 24ora.com owing to succeed is cu yesterday the sistema cu airport is using for so throw up all informacion of cada tourist cu enter y leave for of aruba, have to owing to crash y they have to declaration of policy everything bek for so succeed of hanja all the informacion here cu is enough. is pesey they owing to ask cada for cada tourist check in one pair of horas more trempan. turistanan not tawata have none problem for check in trempan, but they not owing to wait for the situation less agreeable hour cu they have to owing to stop in one file enough largo y also some have to owing to stop in the sun cayente. we is wait for cu esnan responsible at airport at the momentonan here can make algo tocante this, y alaves informa we of 24ora.com what genuinely will can owing to happen cu the sistema cu today we have one chaos at airport. click read ace for more imagen come across





Do we need to call David Tiedge, and send him back down there? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on July 11, 2009, 10:56:45 PM
Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07112009_Amigoe_SexCrime.jpg)




http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fornication

fornication
One entry found.

   


Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion 
Pronunciation: \ˌfȯr-nə-ˈkā-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other — compare adultery


How can they call this fornication? How can it be consensual with an 8 year old?  I know, it's Aruba. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::






















Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 12, 2009, 12:04:43 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1012664

Happy Hour Bacardi Mojito @ South Beach Lounge 10Juli

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1012666&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=2f2a58904bf90e569be13a0d56b9d35f)

Some things never change.  He still looks like a turd.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2009, 12:21:07 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1012664

Happy Hour Bacardi Mojito @ South Beach Lounge 10Juli

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1012666&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=2f2a58904bf90e569be13a0d56b9d35f)

Some things never change.  He still looks like a turd.

From the grand opening of the South Beach Lounge on July 3, 2009:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/South_Beach_Lounge_Coming_with_new_.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2009, 12:42:03 AM
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m046/beekm046.html

Members of the Second Chamber profiled
~ Chairman Van Beek: the soothing factor in NAAZ ~

THE HAGUE--His calmness and gentlemanly qualities come in handy when chairing the Second Chamber’s Permanent Committee of Antillean and Aruban Affairs NAAZ meetings – Willibrord van Beek. Colleagues in Parliament appreciate his qualities and just last week he won the Second Chamber’s 2009 courtesy award.

As behoves a good chairman, Member of Parliament (MP) of the liberal democratic VVD party Van Beek (60) tries to keep meetings of the NAAZ committee businesslike and to the point. That is not always easy because some members have a custom of making accusations and sometimes emotions can run high. The Second Chamber has the last say in the process of constitutional reform and members consider that a sacred right.

Van Beek was appointed chairman of the NAAZ committee some five years ago. Before Van Beek’s time there had been several changes in chairmanship. “They were looking for someone who could contribute to the committee’s stability and continuity. I was arrogant enough to say that I could do that,” said Van Beek who, until he became a member of NAAZ, had been to Curaçao once to visit his daughter who at the time did an internship on the island. Van Beek has been an MP since May 1998 and active in politics since 1978.

“I wanted to make serious work of it. Plus, the advantage of this job is that you actually get the chance to get involved by visiting the islands,” said Van Beek, who admitted that occasionally colleagues do make fun of these travels. But that doesn’t bother the chairman. “In the meantime I have become well-acquainted with the islands and I have learnt a lot about how politics works in the Dutch Kingdom.”

Fall in love

According to Van Beek it is very hard not to fall in love with the islands. “That love grows on you. Committee members naturally build a relationship with the islands,” said Van Beek who, together with NAAZ’s vice-chairman John Leerdam is visiting Aruba and Curaçao this month in connection with the Kingdom Games in Aruba.

The atmosphere in NAAZ has become harsher over the years with Members of Parliament regularly being accused by the islands of meddling – getting involved in internal matters. Van Beek said that members sometimes wanted to be involved in more issues than were prescribed in the Charter, like the environment and prison. These issues are actually matters of the Antillean Government or the Island Territory and not of Dutch Parliament, he added.

Bad intentions

Van Beek doesn’t think the members always have bad intentions when they pose questions or make certain remarks. Many of these questions and remarks are the result of “genuine” interest or concern, he said. It is with this in mind that NAAZ members usually visit the Isla refinery or the Bon Futuro prison in Curaçao. “We want to talk about these issues, share our concerns. We too want things to improve. It doesn’t have to do with meddling. But we have to realise that internal matters are not a Kingdom issue. That creates tension at times,” he said.

According to Van Beek, the doubts of most committee members about St. Maarten’s capacity to attain country status in a year or two also have to do with wanting the best for the island and its people. “You get discussions like should we not give them (St. Maarten, ed.) a bit more time. Members say that with good intentions. I understand that there are different opinions and feelings on both sides of the ocean.”

Different approach

St. Maarten has to comply with a set of conditions before it can become an autonomous country in the Dutch Kingdom. St. Maarten says things should be in order on paper, while the Netherlands has an entirely different approach, maintaining that the country system has to properly function before anything. “That is a difference of a phase. The question is how much space you offer to solve this, to make it work. We run into things like integrity,” he said.

Van Beek agrees that the Netherlands Antilles needs to be eliminated as the extra layer. Then again, Dutch Parliament has to deal with the fact that its traditional conversation partners, the Central Government and the Antillean Parliament, are eliminated with the dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles. Van Beek said he always tries to explain the viewpoints of Dutch Parliament. “If the relationship is good, there is more room to operate. If there’s tension, the space gets tight. As chairman of NAAZ, I have to keep monitoring these things,” he said.

Aruba investigation

Relations between the Netherlands and Aruba are pretty tight at the moment. The First and Second Chamber have asked State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten to carry out an investigation into the state of affairs in that island. The investigation comes at a time when Aruba is preparing for its national elections on September 25. “An integrity investigation is a difficult issue during elections. I understand that,” said Van Beek.

Van Beek said space and understanding needed to be created in cases like this, to avoid escalation. “Investigations always create tension, especially in times of elections.” Integrity however is a vital matter, which always needs to be investigated if there’s reason to do so. Van Beek said such an investigation could also take away doubts and suspicions.

He said Dutch politicians should not always judge the islands according to Western European standards. “We need to take into account the differences in mentality, culture and temperature. We need to have understanding for the fact that things are done differently there,”  he said.

The democratic deficit and finding a solution to this inequality in the Kingdom is important to Van Beek, even though it is felt “much more on the other side of the ocean.” But the solution should not be too complicated. “The solution should not become a bigger problem than it is now,” he said. Van Beek doesn’t expect the Democratic Deficit Committee under the chairmanship of Deputy Minister Plenipotentiary Mavis Brooks-Salmon to come up with an entirely new proposal. “It is about making a political choice, one that we all can live with. There has to be space for that.”


What does the Kingdom mean to Van Beek? “It means we belong together. The question for me is not whether we belong, but rather how. That is why I protested against the remarks by the PVV (Party for Freedom, ed.) that we should sell the islands. Independence is not a decision for the Netherlands to take. Besides, we cannot pretend that we don’t share hundreds of years of history.”
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 12, 2009, 12:58:51 AM
 He said Dutch politicians should not always judge the islands according to Western European standards. “We need to take into account the differences in mentality, culture and temperature. We need to have understanding for the fact that things are done differently there,” he said.[/color]

Things sure are done differently ya think!Ask Paulus Van Der Sloot how things are done differently..Ask Paulus how his son is roaming free & why Paulus is still walking around the Island of Dirty Ol' Men who teach their kids the ways of the deviants..JMOO! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2009, 01:58:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 12, 2009, 02:24:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!




::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


THANK YOU & GOD BLESS THE LIFETIME MOVIE CHANNEL.

ARUBA...NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS NOT GOING AWAY..

HOW YA LIKE THEM APPLES..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 12, 2009, 08:57:09 AM
http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway

I thought this was to be replayed on regular Lifetime TV (Lifetime TV, television for women who hate men  :cool: ) and would swear I saw an ad for it. I thought they said it would be aired tonight at 9, but the schedule does not reflect that.
http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/schedule/daily/2009/7/12/ET


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 12, 2009, 08:58:52 AM
http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway/natalee-holloway-family-photos#id=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2009, 10:50:19 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2009, 11:08:18 AM
 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 12, 2009, 11:23:41 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 12, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
C-player Skardel Akl defeated
Dajdnat Misier (8-5), while Bdoubles
team Freddy Zedan/Joran
van der Sloot beat Peter Villevoix/
Lex Burgman in a surprise sweep.


http://www.aeromodelers.sr.org/david/am28sep04.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 12, 2009, 03:24:11 PM
Sorry for the interruption, Monkeys! Just dropping this off in hopes BlueMoon finds it:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/BlueMoon40.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/BlueMoon40.gif


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 12, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
Sorry for the interruption, Monkeys! Just dropping this off in hopes BlueMoon finds it:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/BlueMoon40.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/BlueMoon40.gif

Found it and changed it.  I can tell a difference and it is very creative.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 12, 2009, 06:56:37 PM
Anyone heard from Janet?  Hope the wedding went great (no rain) and she enjoyed having family around.

Well, another storm is moving in.  Got to run. 

Blue Moon


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 12, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
I don't know if this has been posted here or not, I found it in comments on SM Facebook:

Kim at 6:16pm May 11
I would like to Thank Scared Monkeys for honest coverage regarding my father, Jamie Skeeters. It has been difficult losing my best friend, I miss him every second of the day. I knew my father's good name would be cleared. I have peace that my Dad went to heaven with that truth and he will make sure Dr. Phil gets his truth as well. These are two ... Read Morefine honorable Texas men, that helped a family and there is nothing wrong with seeking the truth. Nobody should lose a child from simply going on vacation and dragged though the dirt to find that child, nor should the people that help. How one lie on one day can create such heartbreak for so many people I'll never understand; one truthful moment could have stopped this entire situation and given a family peace. I believe the truth always finds its way home, my father taught me that. Thank you for your tribute when my dad passed and helping in more ways then you'll ever know. Thank you from Jamie's Daughter, Kim.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2009, 10:27:22 PM
I don't know if this has been posted here or not, I found it in comments on SM Facebook:

Kim at 6:16pm May 11
I would like to Thank Scared Monkeys for honest coverage regarding my father, Jamie Skeeters. It has been difficult losing my best friend, I miss him every second of the day. I knew my father's good name would be cleared. I have peace that my Dad went to heaven with that truth and he will make sure Dr. Phil gets his truth as well. These are two ... Read Morefine honorable Texas men, that helped a family and there is nothing wrong with seeking the truth. Nobody should lose a child from simply going on vacation and dragged though the dirt to find that child, nor should the people that help. How one lie on one day can create such heartbreak for so many people I'll never understand; one truthful moment could have stopped this entire situation and given a family peace. I believe the truth always finds its way home, my father taught me that. Thank you for your tribute when my dad passed and helping in more ways then you'll ever know. Thank you from Jamie's Daughter, Kim.

This is so very nice, Blue Moon....thanks for bringing it here.....((((Hugs))))) for Kim & Kay and their other family members.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2009, 10:32:40 PM
I don't know if this has been posted here or not, I found it in comments on SM Facebook:

Kim at 6:16pm May 11
I would like to Thank Scared Monkeys for honest coverage regarding my father, Jamie Skeeters. It has been difficult losing my best friend, I miss him every second of the day. I knew my father's good name would be cleared. I have peace that my Dad went to heaven with that truth and he will make sure Dr. Phil gets his truth as well. These are two ... Read Morefine honorable Texas men, that helped a family and there is nothing wrong with seeking the truth. Nobody should lose a child from simply going on vacation and dragged though the dirt to find that child, nor should the people that help. How one lie on one day can create such heartbreak for so many people I'll never understand; one truthful moment could have stopped this entire situation and given a family peace. I believe the truth always finds its way home, my father taught me that. Thank you for your tribute when my dad passed and helping in more ways then you'll ever know. Thank you from Jamie's Daughter, Kim.

Thanks for bringing this over Blue Moon!  So nice to hear from Jamie Skeeter's daughter, Kim.  He was a good man, and I know they miss him.  It makes me so mad to think of all they have been put through since his death!  But as she said, the truth always finds its way home.  God bless them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2009, 10:37:45 PM

http://www.examiner.com/x-12971-Houston-Legal-Issues-Examiner~y2009m7d12-Has-Natalee-Holloways-body-been-found

Cold case files: Has Natalee Holloway's body been found?

July 12, 10:25 AM · Sami Hartsfield - Houston Legal Issues Examiner

New updates appear to be swirling around the 4-year-old case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway, had already sent a cadaver dog last March to a “small reservoir” on the Caribbean island of Aruba, after a witness (who’d previously passed two polygraph examinations) came forward with startling evidence. Some media are reporting that they are again searching.

A Natalee Holloway trend was apparent on the Internet very early this morning. Why the Net is buzzing with this “update,” I cannot say at this time. I have been unable to confirm any new leads, but will continue to monitor.

The Associated Press previously reported last March that Dave Holloway’s attorney, Vinda de Sousa, stated that Holloway “insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.”

It’s unclear if there is an additional search ongoing.

Nancy Grace reported previously as well on her television show, seen on CCN, that the witness described being awoken by a barking dog around 4 am on the night Natalee disappeared, and allegedly seeing a man leaving the pond running with one shoe on. The witness further added that the man returned a short time later with another man, seeming to corroborate Van der Sloot’s account on an undercover videotape obtained in 2008. (See the March 2009 Nancy Grace video here.)

In that scathing video, surreptitiously filmed in early 2008 over a period of time by outraged Dutch businessman Patrick van der Eem, Van der Sloot stated that he’d been with Natalee the night she disappeared. Van der Eem was able to gain the suspect's trust through convivial poker playing and pot smoking. On the tape, seemingly without emotion, Van der Sloot explained that he thought Natalee had died after suffering what he described as a seizure. This occurred allegedly during or after the two had engaged in some type of sexual activity. He detailed disposing of her body – either alive or dead, Van der Sloot wasn’t sure – on videotape, which he later said was all a lie. (See father's reaction to the video tape on FoxNews here.)

After befriending Van der Sloot, the Dutch businessman had later enlisted the help of veteran Dutch television crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, who outfitted an SUV with undercover cameras. Van der Sloot was not subsequently arrested for this videotaped “confession.”

It’s not absolutely necessary to have a body in order to charge someone with murder, though of course it certainly bolster’s one’s case as it’s considered a crucial piece of evidence. Without a body, however, at least in Texas, a murder charge could still move forward if other evidence – which would require very strong circumstantial indicators of guilt – was present.

Our own Houston-area hero Tim Miller, himself an anguished father over a missing daughter who later turned up as a murdered victim, helped search for Natalee or her remains, but unfortunately was not ultimately successful. Miller's grief turned good as manifested in his ubiquitous Texas EquuSearch, which to date has assisted and located hundreds, if not thousands, of missing children and adults. (You can see a profile on Tim Miller and EquuSearch here, and Miller's own heartbreaking personal story here.)

Natalee Holloway was last seen by fellow classmates leaving a nightclub in the early-morning hours on the night she vanished with then 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch honors student, and his two Surinamese friends, then 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe and 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe. She never arrived for her return flight home, setting off worldwide media attention and speculation.

Aruban authorities have said the witness’ statement in question does not match what they believe to have happened, and claim to have no new information.

As of this morning, Natalee's remains have not been located, though the search continues. (You can sign up for instant email alerts here.)
 

For more info: www.texasequusearch.org (You can volunteer or donate here!)

Currently, this author is researching a cold case file on the murder of her then-22-year-old best friend, Connie Mikel, which occurred back in 1992. Report to come.

If you have a cold case file you'd like to see profiled, please feel free to email this author at samihartsfield@gmail.com, or leave a suggestion in the comments area below.

 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2009, 10:47:07 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Cancellation of Fundraiser

Posted on 08. Jul, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles

Many people have worked very hard over the last couple of months to organize a fundraiser for Texas EquuSearch. It was going to be at “Lance’s Turtle Club” on Clear Lake. But due to economic struggles throughout our nation, the fundraiser has been CANCELLED. Several organizers worked many long, hard days in their efforts and we gratefully thank all of those who did so much.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 12, 2009, 11:05:00 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Cancellation of Fundraiser

Posted on 08. Jul, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles

Many people have worked very hard over the last couple of months to organize a fundraiser for Texas EquuSearch. It was going to be at “Lance’s Turtle Club” on Clear Lake. But due to economic struggles throughout our nation, the fundraiser has been CANCELLED. Several organizers worked many long, hard days in their efforts and we gratefully thank all of those who did so much.



So, I guess Beth won't be attending?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2009, 11:13:58 PM

http://www.examiner.com/x-12971-Houston-Legal-Issues-Examiner~y2009m7d12-Has-Natalee-Holloways-body-been-found

Cold case files: Has Natalee Holloway's body been found?

July 12, 10:25 AM · Sami Hartsfield - Houston Legal Issues Examiner

New updates appear to be swirling around the 4-year-old case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway, had already sent a cadaver dog last March to a “small reservoir” on the Caribbean island of Aruba, after a witness (who’d previously passed two polygraph examinations) came forward with startling evidence. Some media are reporting that they are again searching.

A Natalee Holloway trend was apparent on the Internet very early this morning. Why the Net is buzzing with this “update,” I cannot say at this time. I have been unable to confirm any new leads, but will continue to monitor.

The Associated Press previously reported last March that Dave Holloway’s attorney, Vinda de Sousa, stated that Holloway “insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.”

It’s unclear if there is an additional search ongoing.

Nancy Grace reported previously as well on her television show, seen on CCN, that the witness described being awoken by a barking dog around 4 am on the night Natalee disappeared, and allegedly seeing a man leaving the pond running with one shoe on. The witness further added that the man returned a short time later with another man, seeming to corroborate Van der Sloot’s account on an undercover videotape obtained in 2008. (See the March 2009 Nancy Grace video here.)

In that scathing video, surreptitiously filmed in early 2008 over a period of time by outraged Dutch businessman Patrick van der Eem, Van der Sloot stated that he’d been with Natalee the night she disappeared. Van der Eem was able to gain the suspect's trust through convivial poker playing and pot smoking. On the tape, seemingly without emotion, Van der Sloot explained that he thought Natalee had died after suffering what he described as a seizure. This occurred allegedly during or after the two had engaged in some type of sexual activity. He detailed disposing of her body – either alive or dead, Van der Sloot wasn’t sure – on videotape, which he later said was all a lie. (See father's reaction to the video tape on FoxNews here.)

After befriending Van der Sloot, the Dutch businessman had later enlisted the help of veteran Dutch television crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, who outfitted an SUV with undercover cameras. Van der Sloot was not subsequently arrested for this videotaped “confession.”

It’s not absolutely necessary to have a body in order to charge someone with murder, though of course it certainly bolster’s one’s case as it’s considered a crucial piece of evidence. Without a body, however, at least in Texas, a murder charge could still move forward if other evidence – which would require very strong circumstantial indicators of guilt – was present.

Our own Houston-area hero Tim Miller, himself an anguished father over a missing daughter who later turned up as a murdered victim, helped search for Natalee or her remains, but unfortunately was not ultimately successful. Miller's grief turned good as manifested in his ubiquitous Texas EquuSearch, which to date has assisted and located hundreds, if not thousands, of missing children and adults. (You can see a profile on Tim Miller and EquuSearch here, and Miller's own heartbreaking personal story here.)

Natalee Holloway was last seen by fellow classmates leaving a nightclub in the early-morning hours on the night she vanished with then 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch honors student, and his two Surinamese friends, then 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe and 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe. She never arrived for her return flight home, setting off worldwide media attention and speculation.

Aruban authorities have said the witness’ statement in question does not match what they believe to have happened, and claim to have no new information.

As of this morning, Natalee's remains have not been located, though the search continues. (You can sign up for instant email alerts here.)
 

For more info: www.texasequusearch.org (You can volunteer or donate here!)

Currently, this author is researching a cold case file on the murder of her then-22-year-old best friend, Connie Mikel, which occurred back in 1992. Report to come.

If you have a cold case file you'd like to see profiled, please feel free to email this author at samihartsfield@gmail.com, or leave a suggestion in the comments area below.

 



::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2009, 11:16:05 PM

http://www.examiner.com/x-12971-Houston-Legal-Issues-Examiner~y2009m7d12-Has-Natalee-Holloways-body-been-found

Cold case files: Has Natalee Holloway's body been found?

July 12, 10:25 AM · Sami Hartsfield - Houston Legal Issues Examiner

New updates appear to be swirling around the 4-year-old case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway, had already sent a cadaver dog last March to a “small reservoir” on the Caribbean island of Aruba, after a witness (who’d previously passed two polygraph examinations) came forward with startling evidence. Some media are reporting that they are again searching.

A Natalee Holloway trend was apparent on the Internet very early this morning. Why the Net is buzzing with this “update,” I cannot say at this time. I have been unable to confirm any new leads, but will continue to monitor.

The Associated Press previously reported last March that Dave Holloway’s attorney, Vinda de Sousa, stated that Holloway “insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.”

It’s unclear if there is an additional search ongoing.

Nancy Grace reported previously as well on her television show, seen on CCN, that the witness described being awoken by a barking dog around 4 am on the night Natalee disappeared, and allegedly seeing a man leaving the pond running with one shoe on. The witness further added that the man returned a short time later with another man, seeming to corroborate Van der Sloot’s account on an undercover videotape obtained in 2008. (See the March 2009 Nancy Grace video here.)

In that scathing video, surreptitiously filmed in early 2008 over a period of time by outraged Dutch businessman Patrick van der Eem, Van der Sloot stated that he’d been with Natalee the night she disappeared. Van der Eem was able to gain the suspect's trust through convivial poker playing and pot smoking. On the tape, seemingly without emotion, Van der Sloot explained that he thought Natalee had died after suffering what he described as a seizure. This occurred allegedly during or after the two had engaged in some type of sexual activity. He detailed disposing of her body – either alive or dead, Van der Sloot wasn’t sure – on videotape, which he later said was all a lie. (See father's reaction to the video tape on FoxNews here.)

After befriending Van der Sloot, the Dutch businessman had later enlisted the help of veteran Dutch television crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, who outfitted an SUV with undercover cameras. Van der Sloot was not subsequently arrested for this videotaped “confession.”

It’s not absolutely necessary to have a body in order to charge someone with murder, though of course it certainly bolster’s one’s case as it’s considered a crucial piece of evidence. Without a body, however, at least in Texas, a murder charge could still move forward if other evidence – which would require very strong circumstantial indicators of guilt – was present.

Our own Houston-area hero Tim Miller, himself an anguished father over a missing daughter who later turned up as a murdered victim, helped search for Natalee or her remains, but unfortunately was not ultimately successful. Miller's grief turned good as manifested in his ubiquitous Texas EquuSearch, which to date has assisted and located hundreds, if not thousands, of missing children and adults. (You can see a profile on Tim Miller and EquuSearch here, and Miller's own heartbreaking personal story here.)

Natalee Holloway was last seen by fellow classmates leaving a nightclub in the early-morning hours on the night she vanished with then 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch honors student, and his two Surinamese friends, then 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe and 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe. She never arrived for her return flight home, setting off worldwide media attention and speculation.

Aruban authorities have said the witness’ statement in question does not match what they believe to have happened, and claim to have no new information.

As of this morning, Natalee's remains have not been located, though the search continues. (You can sign up for instant email alerts here.)
 

For more info: www.texasequusearch.org (You can volunteer or donate here!)

Currently, this author is researching a cold case file on the murder of her then-22-year-old best friend, Connie Mikel, which occurred back in 1992. Report to come.

If you have a cold case file you'd like to see profiled, please feel free to email this author at samihartsfield@gmail.com, or leave a suggestion in the comments area below.

 






I wonder what media is reporting new searches and where they are supposedly searching?  This is sort of strange and confusing.  Has anyone heard of a new search?  And if so, where and by whom?  I'm confused.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2009, 11:24:12 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Cancellation of Fundraiser

Posted on 08. Jul, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles

Many people have worked very hard over the last couple of months to organize a fundraiser for Texas EquuSearch. It was going to be at “Lance’s Turtle Club” on Clear Lake. But due to economic struggles throughout our nation, the fundraiser has been CANCELLED. Several organizers worked many long, hard days in their efforts and we gratefully thank all of those who did so much.



So, I guess Beth won't be attending?

Cached item on TES site.....now, shows an an error.   I hope this is the correct date.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Lance%27s+turtle+club&fr=yfp-t-501&u=texasequusearch.org/2009/06/fundraiserlances09/&w=lance%27s+lances+turtle+club+clubs&d=Lcq0WxlMTFyM&icp=1&.intl=us

Fundraiser at Lance’s Turtle Club, Seabrook, TX 07/24/09 – 07/26/09
Posted on 06. Jun, 2009 by B Tarr in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles, TES In Action, TES News

Lance’s Turtle Club on Clear Lake in Seabrook, Texas will be hosting a three day fundraiser for Texas EquuSearch so that we might continue to find missing persons and return them to their families. Though some details are still being finalized, the following is already planned.

 

Thursday – July 23<sup>rd Kick off party with Celebrity Bartenders
Friday – July 24<sup>th Black tie dinner and Silent Auction at the Nassau Bay Hilton
Saturday – July 25<sup>th “Show Me Your Wheels” Poker Run
Hot Rods, Motorcycles and Classic Cars
Silent & Live Auctions, Music and Vendor Booths
Sunday – July 26<sup>th Boat Raft off Party
Live & Silent Auctions
Special Guest Appearances, Vendor Booths
and more including the raffling of a new Harley-Davidson Motorcycle,like the one Pictured below, from Stubbs Harley-Davidson 

So be sure to mark these dates on your calendar and make plans to come and have some fun at Lance’s Turtle Club on Clear Lake.   Keep watching for more information !!   www.lancesturtleclub.net

Click here for a printable version of the flyer.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 11:29:04 PM
Sure would be nice to have Kermits thoughts on this new search....if there is one!
All Aruba has to do in MO is pull Natalee's remains out of the hidey hole They have had Them in since The Persistence search in 07 and 08 and annouce that They have found Her.  Come on Aruba Do The Right Thing for once!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2009, 11:30:18 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Cancellation of Fundraiser

Posted on 08. Jul, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles

Many people have worked very hard over the last couple of months to organize a fundraiser for Texas EquuSearch. It was going to be at “Lance’s Turtle Club” on Clear Lake. But due to economic struggles throughout our nation, the fundraiser has been CANCELLED. Several organizers worked many long, hard days in their efforts and we gratefully thank all of those who did so much.



So, I guess Beth won't be attending?

Cached item on TES site.....now, shows an an error.   I hope this is the correct date.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Lance%27s+turtle+club&fr=yfp-t-501&u=texasequusearch.org/2009/06/fundraiserlances09/&w=lance%27s+lances+turtle+club+clubs&d=Lcq0WxlMTFyM&icp=1&.intl=us

Fundraiser at Lance’s Turtle Club, Seabrook, TX 07/24/09 – 07/26/09
Posted on 06. Jun, 2009 by B Tarr in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles, TES In Action, TES News

Lance’s Turtle Club on Clear Lake in Seabrook, Texas will be hosting a three day fundraiser for Texas EquuSearch so that we might continue to find missing persons and return them to their families. Though some details are still being finalized, the following is already planned.

 

Thursday – July 23<sup>rd Kick off party with Celebrity Bartenders
Friday – July 24<sup>th Black tie dinner and Silent Auction at the Nassau Bay Hilton
Saturday – July 25<sup>th “Show Me Your Wheels” Poker Run
Hot Rods, Motorcycles and Classic Cars
Silent & Live Auctions, Music and Vendor Booths
Sunday – July 26<sup>th Boat Raft off Party
Live & Silent Auctions
Special Guest Appearances, Vendor Booths
and more including the raffling of a new Harley-Davidson Motorcycle,like the one Pictured below, from Stubbs Harley-Davidson 

So be sure to mark these dates on your calendar and make plans to come and have some fun at Lance’s Turtle Club on Clear Lake.   Keep watching for more information !!   www.lancesturtleclub.net

Click here for a printable version of the flyer.



I think that's it 2NJ, I posted the flyer for it a while back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 12, 2009, 11:33:46 PM
I went to TM's link for the cold case.  In the comments, "Kathy" says that the reason the internet
was abuzz today was because Lifetime Channel aired the movie last night for the first time.

I must admit I have grown too paranoid.  I immediately thought Kathy was Hotshot. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2009, 11:34:24 PM

http://www.examiner.com/x-12971-Houston-Legal-Issues-Examiner~y2009m7d12-Has-Natalee-Holloways-body-been-found

Cold case files: Has Natalee Holloway's body been found?

July 12, 10:25 AM · Sami Hartsfield - Houston Legal Issues Examiner

New updates appear to be swirling around the 4-year-old case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway, had already sent a cadaver dog last March to a “small reservoir” on the Caribbean island of Aruba, after a witness (who’d previously passed two polygraph examinations) came forward with startling evidence. Some media are reporting that they are again searching.

A Natalee Holloway trend was apparent on the Internet very early this morning. Why the Net is buzzing with this “update,” I cannot say at this time. I have been unable to confirm any new leads, but will continue to monitor.

The Associated Press previously reported last March that Dave Holloway’s attorney, Vinda de Sousa, stated that Holloway “insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.”

It’s unclear if there is an additional search ongoing.

Nancy Grace reported previously as well on her television show, seen on CCN, that the witness described being awoken by a barking dog around 4 am on the night Natalee disappeared, and allegedly seeing a man leaving the pond running with one shoe on. The witness further added that the man returned a short time later with another man, seeming to corroborate Van der Sloot’s account on an undercover videotape obtained in 2008. (See the March 2009 Nancy Grace video here.)

In that scathing video, surreptitiously filmed in early 2008 over a period of time by outraged Dutch businessman Patrick van der Eem, Van der Sloot stated that he’d been with Natalee the night she disappeared. Van der Eem was able to gain the suspect's trust through convivial poker playing and pot smoking. On the tape, seemingly without emotion, Van der Sloot explained that he thought Natalee had died after suffering what he described as a seizure. This occurred allegedly during or after the two had engaged in some type of sexual activity. He detailed disposing of her body – either alive or dead, Van der Sloot wasn’t sure – on videotape, which he later said was all a lie. (See father's reaction to the video tape on FoxNews here.)

After befriending Van der Sloot, the Dutch businessman had later enlisted the help of veteran Dutch television crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, who outfitted an SUV with undercover cameras. Van der Sloot was not subsequently arrested for this videotaped “confession.”

It’s not absolutely necessary to have a body in order to charge someone with murder, though of course it certainly bolster’s one’s case as it’s considered a crucial piece of evidence. Without a body, however, at least in Texas, a murder charge could still move forward if other evidence – which would require very strong circumstantial indicators of guilt – was present.

Our own Houston-area hero Tim Miller, himself an anguished father over a missing daughter who later turned up as a murdered victim, helped search for Natalee or her remains, but unfortunately was not ultimately successful. Miller's grief turned good as manifested in his ubiquitous Texas EquuSearch, which to date has assisted and located hundreds, if not thousands, of missing children and adults. (You can see a profile on Tim Miller and EquuSearch here, and Miller's own heartbreaking personal story here.)

Natalee Holloway was last seen by fellow classmates leaving a nightclub in the early-morning hours on the night she vanished with then 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch honors student, and his two Surinamese friends, then 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe and 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe. She never arrived for her return flight home, setting off worldwide media attention and speculation.

Aruban authorities have said the witness’ statement in question does not match what they believe to have happened, and claim to have no new information.

As of this morning, Natalee's remains have not been located, though the search continues. (You can sign up for instant email alerts here.)
 

For more info: www.texasequusearch.org (You can volunteer or donate here!)

Currently, this author is researching a cold case file on the murder of her then-22-year-old best friend, Connie Mikel, which occurred back in 1992. Report to come.

If you have a cold case file you'd like to see profiled, please feel free to email this author at samihartsfield@gmail.com, or leave a suggestion in the comments area below.

 

Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027#msg845027





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2009, 11:35:36 PM
Sure would be nice to have Kermits thoughts on this new search....if there is one!
All Aruba has to do in MO is pull Natalee's remains out of the hidey hole They have had Them in since The Persistence search in 07 and 08 and annouce that They have found Her.  Come on Aruba Do The Right Thing for once!
Where and how they would find Natalee now is total BS -- but you know What???  I DON'T CARE. Get her home and THEN we will find out the TRUTH for the family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 12, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
Sure would be nice to have Kermits thoughts on this new search....if there is one!
All Aruba has to do in MO is pull Natalee's remains out of the hidey hole They have had Them in since The Persistence search in 07 and 08 and annouce that They have found Her.  Come on Aruba Do The Right Thing for once!

I agree that they have had her remains and always knew where she was.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2009, 11:38:48 PM
Seems pretty late to cancel the fundraiser.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: San on July 12, 2009, 11:41:02 PM
Sure would be nice to have Kermits thoughts on this new search....if there is one!
All Aruba has to do in MO is pull Natalee's remains out of the hidey hole They have had Them in since The Persistence search in 07 and 08 and annouce that They have found Her.  Come on Aruba Do The Right Thing for once!
Where and how they would find Natalee now is total BS -- but you know What???  I DON'T CARE. Get her home and THEN we will find out the TRUTH for the family.

I believe the reason they don't want to return her is because of a head wound caused by Joran.  It cannot be explained.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2009, 11:41:54 PM
Sure would be nice to have Kermits thoughts on this new search....if there is one!
All Aruba has to do in MO is pull Natalee's remains out of the hidey hole They have had Them in since The Persistence search in 07 and 08 and annouce that They have found Her.  Come on Aruba Do The Right Thing for once!

I agree that they have had her remains and always knew where she was.


I have thought so since van der Straten said she was dead and he had seen the "evidence" then later that was called a translation error and he meant he had seen the case evidence.  I believed him the first time, not the revised version.  There has always been a revised version of everything coming from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2009, 11:44:10 PM
Sure would be nice to have Kermits thoughts on this new search....if there is one!
All Aruba has to do in MO is pull Natalee's remains out of the hidey hole They have had Them in since The Persistence search in 07 and 08 and annouce that They have found Her.  Come on Aruba Do The Right Thing for once!
Where and how they would find Natalee now is total BS -- but you know What???  I DON'T CARE. Get her home and THEN we will find out the TRUTH for the family.

I believe the reason they don't want to return her is because of a head wound caused by Joran.  It cannot be explained.
Yes, they have had her for some time. I cannot blame Dave for "playing their game" for a while solely to "get her home".  We WILL expose the truth one day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2009, 11:45:23 PM
Good Evening Monkeys

The wedding was beautiful and ... all had a great time celebrating.  I had kittle talk with God ... reminding Him that the bride desire for an outdoor wedding implied that there was no rain.  Well ... talk about connections ... not a cloud in the sky.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyway the house just cleared out today in the last couple of hours except for eldest son, DIL and two year old grandson from Vancouver Island.  Mama and Papa are getting this little guy all to ourselves tomorrow while Mommy and Daddy have a day in Vancouver with cousins.

 ::cartwheel::

I am wiped.  These 62 year old eyelids keep closing when I attempt to read so ... catching up will have to wait until Tuesday.

Good Night All.

Janet
8:45 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 12, 2009, 11:49:22 PM
Good Evening Monkeys

The wedding was beautiful and ... all had a great time celebrating.  I had kittle talk with God ... reminding Him that the bride desire for an outdoor wedding implied that there was no rain.  Well ... talk about connections ... not a cloud in the sky.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyway the house just cleared out today in the last couple of hours except for eldest son, DIL and two year old grandson from Vancouver Island.  Mama and Papa are getting this little guy all to ourselves tomorrow while Mommy and Daddy have a day in Vancouver with cousins.

 ::cartwheel::

I am wiped.  These 62 year old eyelids keep closing when I attempt to read so ... catching up will have to wait until Tuesday.

Good Night All.

Janet
8:45 PM PT


I know you were happy to see all of the tail lights, Janet. ::cartwheel::

Enjoy the little one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2009, 11:51:36 PM
TM, I do not doubt you posted the flyer...my brain, obviously, does not retain all that it reads.   :2notworthy:

Goodnight....see you all later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 12, 2009, 11:54:40 PM
TM, I do not doubt you posted the flyer...my brain, obviously, does not retain all that it reads.   :2notworthy:

Goodnight....see you all later.

G-Night 2nj. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 12:01:58 AM
TM, I do not doubt you posted the flyer...my brain, obviously, does not retain all that it reads.   :2notworthy:

Goodnight....see you all later.

My brain doesn't retain all I read/or even post either, I posted it but can only remember that the dates were in the 20 somethings of July.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 12:04:34 AM
I went to TM's link for the cold case.  In the comments, "Kathy" says that the reason the internet
was abuzz today was because Lifetime Channel aired the movie last night for the first time.

I must admit I have grown too paranoid.  I immediately thought Kathy was Hotshot. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
The description of when she was discovered missing is not correct, but this is another recent article I found.  I found two more that were very similar to the first one I posted on webites I'd never heard of before.  Both mentioned the movie too.

http://news.puggal.com/natalee-holloway-latest-news/

Natalee Holloway Latest News

Posted on 12 July 2009

On Saturday, July 11, the true story based on the missing of Natalee Holloway was aired on Lifetime networks. In this story, the desperate search for Natalee was shown.

Natalee Ann Holloway was born on the 21st October, 1986. The 19 year old teenager had disappeared on May 30, 2005. At that time she was on a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Aruba is a Caribbean country within the Kingdom of the Netherland. Natalee was a student in the Mountain Brook High School and she had graduated on May 24, 2005, just one week before she disappeared.

The other people on the trip realized that Natalee was missing when she was not found on board during her flight back home. After this incident, the news of her missing caused a media sensation in the United States. The Aruban investigators with several other volunteers went to search her but they failed. The reason for her missing is still not known. Its been four long years for Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, who made numerous efforts to find her daughter but couldn’t succeeded. The unfortunate mother also narrate the tale of her missing daughter Natalee. The title of the book was, “Loving Natalee”.

Three young local men were arrested. These men were spotted with Natalee by her classmates. The names of those men were Jordan van der Sloot and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. They all denied having any knowledge regarding Natalee’s disappearance. They were all released as no solid evidence was found against them. Later on, a secret video was revealed in which Jordan was under influence of marijuana and in that particular clip, he admitted that he had disposed off Natalee’s body. However, no legal steps were taken against him.


(http://news.puggal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/natalee-holloway.jpg)

Natalee Holloway

(http://news.puggal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/natalee-holloway2-286x368.jpg)

Natalee Holloway



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Anna on July 13, 2009, 12:22:50 AM
I am guessing the new articles are in connection with the re-airing of the movie.  It did have a huge viewing audience first time around and seems this time may have had one again.  Most all coverage is good as it keeps the story fresh in the minds of those who see the movie or read the articles.

Guess time will tell if there actually is a new search or if this is a result of the articles by Jen Hale and the other reporter from the B'ham news.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 12:47:26 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 01:11:22 AM
Good Evening Monkeys

The wedding was beautiful and ... all had a great time celebrating.  I had kittle talk with God ... reminding Him that the bride desire for an outdoor wedding implied that there was no rain.  Well ... talk about connections ... not a cloud in the sky.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyway the house just cleared out today in the last couple of hours except for eldest son, DIL and two year old grandson from Vancouver Island.  Mama and Papa are getting this little guy all to ourselves tomorrow while Mommy and Daddy have a day in Vancouver with cousins.

 ::cartwheel::

I am wiped.  These 62 year old eyelids keep closing when I attempt to read so ... catching up will have to wait until Tuesday.

Good Night All.

Janet
8:45 PM PT

I'm glad everything turned out as it should have for the wedding Janet!  And that you are spending the day with your grandson tomorrow, I know that will be fun! 

See you when you get a chance!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 13, 2009, 01:42:21 AM
I am guessing the new articles are in connection with the re-airing of the movie.  It did have a huge viewing audience first time around and seems this time may have had one again.  Most all coverage is good as it keeps the story fresh in the minds of those who see the movie or read the articles.

Guess time will tell if there actually is a new search or if this is a result of the articles by Jen Hale and the other reporter from the B'ham news.

Durring the airing of the show last night there was a huge spike in traffic to SM, mostly from searching the front page NH articles.  Red's comment was that everytime the show airs, more people will be reminded that there is no justice in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 01:49:43 AM
I am guessing the new articles are in connection with the re-airing of the movie.  It did have a huge viewing audience first time around and seems this time may have had one again.  Most all coverage is good as it keeps the story fresh in the minds of those who see the movie or read the articles.

Guess time will tell if there actually is a new search or if this is a result of the articles by Jen Hale and the other reporter from the B'ham news.

Durring the airing of the show last night there was a huge spike in traffic to SM, mostly from searching the front page NH articles.  Red's comment was that everytime the show airs, more people will be reminded that there is no justice in Aruba.

Thanks Klaas!  Great news!  I hope they show it over and over and over!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 02:12:56 AM
http://www.locatetv.com/tv/final-hours-of-natalee-holloway--e--news-special/5998420

(http://www.locatetv.com/tv/final-hours-of-natalee-holloway--e--news-special/5998420/351x85_standard.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 02:14:13 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 13, 2009, 08:53:03 AM
http://www.examiner.com/x-3859-Hartford-Books-Examiner~y2009m7d13-James-Pattersons-Swimsuit-Sink-or-swim-A-book-review

James Patterson's Swimsuit: Sink or swim? (A book review)
July 13, 4:54 AM · John Valeri - Hartford Books Examiner

Photo Copyright: Little, Brown and CompanyJames Patterson’s newest, Swimsuit (Little, Brown, $27.99), written with frequent collaborator Maxine Paetro (the Women’s Murder Club novels), is touted as being “the scariest and most satisfying James Patterson novel since Kiss the Girls.” Granted, that claim is directly lifted from the book’s inside flap, but it’s still quite the proclamation. After all, Kiss the Girls represented an author at the height of his story-telling prowess.

So it was with high hopes that I began Swimsuit.

It started off promising enough. The premise is this: a beautiful young model, Kim McDaniels, goes missing on the island of Maui, where she had been doing a photo shoot. Not long after, her parents receive a disturbing phone call and hop a plane to the island, where they begin their own investigation into the disappearance. (The parallels to the Natalee Holloway case are undeniable, at least in the initial chapters.) There, they meet Ben Hawkins, a former-cop-turned-novelist now working for the Los Angeles Times. He immediately takes a liking to the McDaniels, and offers to help them muddle through the police ineptitude to find the truth about their daughter.

(snipped)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 09:01:57 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock5.gif)
BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 13, 2009, 09:15:29 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 13, 2009, 12:53:22 PM
TM.....Translation please.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Un total di 9 candidato pa 4 puesto den directiva di AVB. Eleccion lo tuma lugar dia 3 Juli 2009

Despues cu e fecha pa postula pa candidato pa president y of  miembro di directiva di AVB a sera siman pasa, directiva ta anuncia e nombernan di e candidatonan pa e eleccion di directiva di AVB.
Pa e puesto di president tin un solo candidato, cual ta sr. Rufo Kelly cu di e forma aki lo keda e president di AVB pa un periode di 4 aña mas.
Di e directiva actual tin 4 miembro cu tin un periode di 2 aña mas pa bai, cualnan ta Randolf Laclé, Leopoldo Hernandis, Rosemin Croes y Jose “Buchi Panama’ Wever. E otro 4 puestonan den directiva lo mester wordo eligi for di e 9 candidatonan. For di AVB tin como candidato sr. Adrian “Janchi’ Croes, sr. Bernardo “Chua” Faro y sr. Francisco “ Frans” Dijkhoff. E nombernan di e otro candidatonan ta sr. Antonio “Tony’ Geerman sosteni pa Bubali, Jong Aruba y Juventud Tanki Leendert, sr. Alberto “Ronny’ Vrolijk sosteni pa San Nicolas Juniors, FC San Nicolas, Aparicio Stars y Independiente Hooiberg., sr. Jairzinho Tromp (Bubali, Riverplate, Real Koyari), sr. Richard Dijkhoff (Britannia, Riverplate, Dakota), sr. Hubert Solagnier (RCA, Estrella, Dakota) y sra. Mildred Martinez-Wever (Britannia, RCA, Estrella). E eleccion pa miembro di directiva lo tuma lugar diabierna 3 juli 2009  durante Reunion General den Technical Centre Angel Botta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: hotping on July 13, 2009, 01:12:06 PM
TM.....Translation please.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Un total di 9 candidato pa 4 puesto den directiva di AVB. Eleccion lo tuma lugar dia 3 Juli 2009

Despues cu e fecha pa postula pa candidato pa president y of  miembro di directiva di AVB a sera siman pasa, directiva ta anuncia e nombernan di e candidatonan pa e eleccion di directiva di AVB.
Pa e puesto di president tin un solo candidato, cual ta sr. Rufo Kelly cu di e forma aki lo keda e president di AVB pa un periode di 4 aña mas.
Di e directiva actual tin 4 miembro cu tin un periode di 2 aña mas pa bai, cualnan ta Randolf Laclé, Leopoldo Hernandis, Rosemin Croes y Jose “Buchi Panama’ Wever. E otro 4 puestonan den directiva lo mester wordo eligi for di e 9 candidatonan. For di AVB tin como candidato sr. Adrian “Janchi’ Croes, sr. Bernardo “Chua” Faro y sr. Francisco “ Frans” Dijkhoff. E nombernan di e otro candidatonan ta sr. Antonio “Tony’ Geerman sosteni pa Bubali, Jong Aruba y Juventud Tanki Leendert, sr. Alberto “Ronny’ Vrolijk sosteni pa San Nicolas Juniors, FC San Nicolas, Aparicio Stars y Independiente Hooiberg., sr. Jairzinho Tromp (Bubali, Riverplate, Real Koyari), sr. Richard Dijkhoff (Britannia, Riverplate, Dakota), sr. Hubert Solagnier (RCA, Estrella, Dakota) y sra. Mildred Martinez-Wever (Britannia, RCA, Estrella). E eleccion pa miembro di directiva lo tuma lugar diabierna 3 juli 2009  durante Reunion General den Technical Centre Angel Botta.

I'm not TM but I was curious so I put it thru the pap translator  ::MonkeyWink::

one overall of 9 candidato for 4 function in directiva of avb. eleccion will take lugar day 3 july 2009 after cu the date for postula for candidato for president y or acolyte of directiva of avb owing to close week happen, directiva is anuncia the nombernan of the candidatonan for her eleccion of directiva of avb. for her function of president have one sun candidato, cual is sr. rufo kelly cu of the form here will stay the president of avb for one periode of 4 year more. of the directiva actual have 4 acolyte cu have one periode of 2 year more for go, cualnan is randolf laclé, leopoldo hernandis, rosemin croes y jose “buchi panama’ wever. the another 4 puestonan in directiva will have to wordo eligi for of the 9 candidatonan. for of avb have because; candidato sr. adrian “janchi’ croes, sr. bernardo “chua” lighthouse y sr. francisco “ frans” dijkhoff. the nombernan of the another candidatonan is sr. antonio “tony’ geerman sosteni for bubali, jong aruba y juventud tanki leendert, sr. alberto “ronny’ vrolijk sosteni for san nicolas juniors, fc san nicolas, aparicio stars y independant hooiberg., sr. jairzinho tromp (bubali, riverplate, regal koyari), sr. richard dijkhoff (britannia, riverplate, dakota), sr. hubert solagnier (rca, estrella, dakota) y sra. mildred martinez-wever (britannia, rca, estrella). the eleccion for acolyte of directiva will take lugar diabierna 3 july 2009 during meeting general in technical centre angel botta. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 13, 2009, 01:42:55 PM
KTF,

Where did that come from?  Link?    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 13, 2009, 02:06:56 PM
KTF,

Where did that come from?  Link?    ::MonkeyTongue::

Link for the above post from KTF...Sorry 2nj! ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.avbaruba.aw/index.php?Itemid=111&id=28&option=com_content&task=blogcategory


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 13, 2009, 02:09:03 PM
KTF,

Where did that come from?  Link?    ::MonkeyTongue::

Link for the above post from KTF...Sorry 2nj! ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.avbaruba.aw/index.php?Itemid=111&id=28&option=com_content&task=blogcategory

Believe it is a soccer organization?Just throwin it out there...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 13, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
KTF,

Where did that come from?  Link?    ::MonkeyTongue::

Link for the above post from KTF...Sorry 2nj! ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.avbaruba.aw/index.php?Itemid=111&id=28&option=com_content&task=blogcategory

Believe it is a soccer organization?Just throwin it out there...

Thank you, KTF.  Initially, I wondered if it was a student (junior) political thing.  Soccer makes sense, I just wish the Pap translator did.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on July 13, 2009, 02:36:05 PM
TM.....Translation please.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Un total di 9 candidato pa 4 puesto den directiva di AVB. Eleccion lo tuma lugar dia 3 Juli 2009

Despues cu e fecha pa postula pa candidato pa president y of  miembro di directiva di AVB a sera siman pasa, directiva ta anuncia e nombernan di e candidatonan pa e eleccion di directiva di AVB.
Pa e puesto di president tin un solo candidato, cual ta sr. Rufo Kelly cu di e forma aki lo keda e president di AVB pa un periode di 4 aña mas.
Di e directiva actual tin 4 miembro cu tin un periode di 2 aña mas pa bai, cualnan ta Randolf Laclé, Leopoldo Hernandis, Rosemin Croes y Jose “Buchi Panama’ Wever. E otro 4 puestonan den directiva lo mester wordo eligi for di e 9 candidatonan. For di AVB tin como candidato sr. Adrian “Janchi’ Croes, sr. Bernardo “Chua” Faro y sr. Francisco “ Frans” Dijkhoff. E nombernan di e otro candidatonan ta sr. Antonio “Tony’ Geerman sosteni pa Bubali, Jong Aruba y Juventud Tanki Leendert, sr. Alberto “Ronny’ Vrolijk sosteni pa San Nicolas Juniors, FC San Nicolas, Aparicio Stars y Independiente Hooiberg., sr. Jairzinho Tromp (Bubali, Riverplate, Real Koyari), sr. Richard Dijkhoff (Britannia, Riverplate, Dakota), sr. Hubert Solagnier (RCA, Estrella, Dakota) y sra. Mildred Martinez-Wever (Britannia, RCA, Estrella). E eleccion pa miembro di directiva lo tuma lugar diabierna 3 juli 2009  durante Reunion General den Technical Centre Angel Botta.

I'm not TM but I was curious so I put it thru the pap translator  ::MonkeyWink::

one overall of 9 candidato for 4 function in directiva of avb. eleccion will take lugar day 3 july 2009 after cu the date for postula for candidato for president y or acolyte of directiva of avb owing to close week happen, directiva is anuncia the nombernan of the candidatonan for her eleccion of directiva of avb. for her function of president have one sun candidato, cual is sr. rufo kelly cu of the form here will stay the president of avb for one periode of 4 year more. of the directiva actual have 4 acolyte cu have one periode of 2 year more for go, cualnan is randolf laclé, leopoldo hernandis, rosemin croes y jose “buchi panama’ wever. the another 4 puestonan in directiva will have to wordo eligi for of the 9 candidatonan. for of avb have because; candidato sr. adrian “janchi’ croes, sr. bernardo “chua” lighthouse y sr. francisco “ frans” dijkhoff. the nombernan of the another candidatonan is sr. antonio “tony’ geerman sosteni for bubali, jong aruba y juventud tanki leendert, sr. alberto “ronny’ vrolijk sosteni for san nicolas juniors, fc san nicolas, aparicio stars y independant hooiberg., sr. jairzinho tromp (bubali, riverplate, regal koyari), sr. richard dijkhoff (britannia, riverplate, dakota), sr. hubert solagnier (rca, estrella, dakota) y sra. mildred martinez-wever (britannia, rca, estrella). the eleccion for acolyte of directiva will take lugar diabierna 3 july 2009 during meeting general in technical centre angel botta. come across

Thanx HotPing!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 04:24:09 PM
Sorry for OT ~  Nutt, you got the lock?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
YESsssssssssssss!! I CAN!!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 04:44:14 PM
Good afternoon bastibro  :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 04:45:16 PM
Good bye bastibro  :2waver:    That was quick.   :2thinky:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: bastibro on July 13, 2009, 04:47:35 PM
Good bye bastibro  :2waver:    That was quick.   :2thinky:

I`m back especially for you Muffy ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Afternoon


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 05:03:33 PM
Good bye bastibro  :2waver:    That was quick.   :2thinky:

I`m back especially for you Muffy ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Afternoon

Oh, you're back.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  I don't stay in one place very long myself....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on July 13, 2009, 05:21:36 PM
Klaas I LOVED this!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess this is where Paramount's determination to find out who was funding this suit on 2K's behalf would come in handy for Kay.


http://www.youtube.com/v/NiU43R3LMXg&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on July 13, 2009, 05:22:04 PM
I feel this is an omen of things to come.  I really can't wait to see the motion (at the end of all this) that the Dr. Phil people file  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And CBS
And Paramount

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 05:45:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59511.php

Google translation:

Green Village exceeds City

13 Jul, 2009, 14:20 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/13-aruba-green-village.gif)
 
The non-completed hotel in the area of Valero was an impressive backdrop for the main stage of Green Village.
SAN NICOLAS - With half the visitors continued to press last Saturday night at the pleasant music Green Village. This was deliberately planned by organizers as Heineken, after last year Green City in Orange City with 11,000 visitors still took too much. Until joy from the authorities, this time just need to intervene.

Regardless of the atmosphere exceeded even the environment of the last street festival. The water tower of San Nicolas, this time green-lit, led the public to adequate parking, inflated by a huge gate to the main street of San Nicolas. To that part on the main street that tourists known to Charlie's Bar and many local residents to striptease bars. The red light district of San Nicolas was for this once green. But that made the foreign extracted 'animeermeisjes', as they officially by the government called for the work, not matter. And the bareigenaren / pimps do not because it was the whole evening extra deserve. The scantily clad ladies were difficult to distinguish from the female festival-goers. They are often veiled in little outfits and flan were put on towering heels up and down the street.

The design of the three stages was excellent. Whose main stage really was a beautiful backdrop of the never completed hotel in the area of Valero refinery. The green lighting, the building finally allure that prematurely deceased owner had in mind. Against this background, the bands played Roots & Ritim, Isis, Datapanik, Basic One and Le Groove bouncer. The second stage, near the entrance was a little view. But the DJs Sonido Intifada, Eldrick, Theo, Paco and Padovano attracted the public with hard pruning dance to the stage in the street. In the middle of the Village was not just Heineken green, but red of telecom Digicel. They had a DJ booth around which the whole evening a large crowd was dancing to the DJs Virus, Diablo, Big Rig and Jean Carlos.

The green street Heineken are successful concept, also know as Hans Mondria, manager of Heineken Aruba. In the time that the beer consumption is declining dramatically worldwide, manage the business here Aruban again to the green bottle or can of it. If only for one night as many empty cans Saturday after witnessed in the street gutters of the Village. And again in October, in Palm Beach, where Heineken is planning to re-green a festival town to attract.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 05:50:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59508.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Complications for 'forgotten baby'

13 Jul, 2009, 14:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The nine-month-old baby last week about four hours in a sweltering car spent because his father had been forgotten, yesterday with a flight to Colombia ambulance transported for specialist medical help. Last weekend they would have some brain infarction. This morning was not yet confirmed to the Amigoe.

Last week it seemed better to go with the little girl. She was of the ventilation and was in the intensive care unit fired. Allegedly they drank milk and went back to the chest. They also laughed at her owners and wanted to be lifted. Last Saturday was again wrong. She had complications and the specialists decided to her to Bogota, Colombia to send. The family doctors have more experience and better equipment for such cases. The baby is around noon yesterday with her parents by Air Ambulance to Colombia left.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 13, 2009, 05:51:55 PM
Welcome home, Jen. ::MonkeyDance::

Hope you had a nice vacation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 05:55:43 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59506.php

Aruba

Traffic on airport

13 Jul, 2009, 14:12 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - When the check for flights to the United States at the Reina Beatrix airport last Saturday was a long line of tourists waiting. There were rumors that the system was flat. Yesterday confirmed a member of one of the check more or less that there were problems with the computer system.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on July 13, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Welcome home, Jen. ::MonkeyDance::

Hope you had a nice vacation.

Thanks Magnolia!  We had a wonderful vacation!

While I still don't know how to post pics, I can say that the beaches of Maui were PACKED!  We had a tough time finding a place to park ourselves on a daily basis.

ALOHA!  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 06:02:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59499.php

Google translation:

Aruba on warpath

13 Jul, 2009, 12:51 (GMT -04:00)

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IN THE Amigoe of Wednesday, July 8, 2009, we noted that some Manolo Giel behalf of the MEP has submitted a piece under the headline "prosperous times for MEP in which he record for Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, the blessings of the MEP Board and is convinced that the Arubans to know to appreciate. That is of course right. After all, it's election time.

This is fun began. The Minister of Health called Statenlid a pedophile and finds it ridiculous that this should not of justice. And all arrows are directed to the Netherlands, the 'neokolonisator. If we are to believe the messages I expect Aruba at the end of the week, most early next week, the Netherlands will officially declare war and a squadron to the North to send Brinkman, Ank Bijleveld, the Government and the House of a tone lower to sing. That can not go.

Whereas most arrows are aimed at harmless folly of Brinkman, who are already taken seriously by no one, is obvious. That can not hurt. There is even a minister in the proxy statement, with a confused letter to the Chamber. I fear that they will not be taken seriously. That is correct harm Aruba. Furthermore, we move away from the State Ministers, the justice we boycott talks with the Netherlands and the Antilles and make nice fight with KLM and Valero. Look how large we are! Political muscle à la Chávez. Fun for the constituency, but after the elections, you hear nothing more. Aruba, the Netherlands needed, and vice versa. We know they are also called Den Haag.

But how effective is that governance is actually? A few random observations of an outsider. Look around you: Aruba is a great tip. Wherever you see litter, plastic, crates, bottles, trash, waste. From north to south, Aruba is a great car graveyard. Take a look at the many ridiculous Curacao, how they have addressed it. Set an environmental impact and maintain that strong penalties.

Who picked that Caya Betico Croes and his surroundings once again, Aruba's main shopping street? A holey cheese expired without any appeal to that quasi-parking. However, a beautiful boulevard and shopping mall as a business card. And then hope that the tourists do not walk one hundred meters and in the gribus arrive.

The Arubans seem not to feel very secure in their island, given the number of dogs that they have gathered around their houses. The number of runs from the scuppers. Dangerous for children and public health. Enter a hondenbelasting in and set the ceiling at two.

To govern is ahead. Aruba has three great energy: solar, wind and cold seawater. The island would be no drop of oil needed for its energy supply. The technology is there. Go with me to work. And then something energetically than five windmills. In four years the cost of a barrel of oil back 160 dollars.

I can still continue the same. In six years, nothing changed on the island. I know: it all costs time and money. But then talk again about this election.

And finally, get that crazy road signs agreement with 'stop', 'urban' and 'end stopping, the historical street apart. Aruba is not a colony more? Be you not as a colony. Papiamento is the language?
Aruba is a country with wonderful, warm and hospitable people. Unfortunately, with a few energetic and self governance with long toes that bad against criticism. And certainly not capable of any self. But One happy island? Well, no ...

FRENCH ALTEN
(Dutch tourists)
Aruba
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 06:14:57 PM
Welcome home, Jen. ::MonkeyDance::

Hope you had a nice vacation.

Thanks Magnolia!  We had a wonderful vacation!

While I still don't know how to post pics, I can say that the beaches of Maui were PACKED!  We had a tough time finding a place to park ourselves on a daily basis.

ALOHA!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm glad you had a great vacation Jen...I've always wanted to go to Maui! 

Good to see you back in the cage too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2009, 06:37:55 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
OMG I beg all posters to come here and make a post so I can do the lockdown  ::MonkeyWaa::  Wecome home Jen ... I am so jealous. I don't even want to discuss it
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 06:46:57 PM
HI KLAAS!! LOL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 06:51:38 PM
Justice for Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 06:52:07 PM
HI MUFFY! LOL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 06:52:07 PM
It's not going to go away, Aruba.  Give her back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 06:54:44 PM
Tick-Tock.  Tick-Tock.  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 06:55:16 PM
GIVE   NATALEE   BACK !! NOW!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on July 13, 2009, 06:55:23 PM
Present  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 06:55:32 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)


 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 06:57:10 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 06:58:48 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


I just love that one  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 07:01:52 PM
It has been a long day .....  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 07:03:17 PM
100!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 07:03:31 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCKED2.gif)

# 821

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2010, 09:03:49 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58886.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Ministry of Public Health in their advocacy for deceased Farro

30 Jun, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "Maiky Farro is the victim of negative publicity which finally contributed to his early death. Hopefully, those who mocked him have at least respect the dead and allow Farro in peace. "

This remarkable message was posted yesterday afternoon by the Ministry of Health, Environmental, Administrative and Foreign Affairs in a press release disseminated. In the message, the ministry 'media' and says the huge media attention for a million fraud at the Land Laboratory "fed by politicians." These politicians want, says Health, the attention of their own wrongdoing "as the Race Track, Fondo Desaroyo San Nicolas and Interbank. "Farro committed a mistake and accepted his punishment," said the ministry. Unnecessary 'tease and ridicule of Farro was only for political reasons. "He earned it not for these dirty political games to be dragged along. Let him rest in peace, "concludes the ministry the message.

Maiky Farro knew in his capacity as Administrator of the Land Laboratory in the period from 1997 to 2007 over 10 million florin to darken. After ten years of undisturbed are going to go the end of 2007 he ran against the lamp. Then he fled to Colombia, which the authorities of an international warrant uitvaardigden. When Farro traveled to the United States, the Aruban public prosecution by the U.S. authorities and tipped he could be arrested and extradited. Farro in April was sentenced to 4.5 years in prison. Last Friday he was in prison was unwell and urgently to the hospital. Since he died a day later.

The Land Lab is under the responsibility of the Ministry of Health. Farro finally got a lower sentence than the judge was required because this was also the minister responsible had failed in the audit. Therefore, the fraud can take place for ten years.