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last post on last thread repeated...

i just wanted to say HI back to Klaas and Tidycat and anyone else who I may have missed who noticed my return after a long absence. I sure missed posting here but in some ways I think the time off was good for me. The posts today have been terrific and I wish some of you were in charge of solving this case instead of the meat heads in Aruba!!

Taco has VDS lawsiut listed in CRIMINAL cases, not in civil cases on his website.  Why?  He cannot practice in Aruba.

Hi Hubbylove!

The flowers sound great - I was a florist at one time!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I just practice around the house!

Another reason why the civil case venue has to be in the USA. lol :lol:

Maybe Taco doesn't know the difference?  :wink:  :lol:

Or it makes him sound like a big fish in a big pond instead of a big fish in a little pond, or is he anticipating it will become a criminal case. :shock:

Anna - did you get my email?

Hi Mermaid
Flowers are one of my hobbies and I've always been able to help friends save money on their wedding so everybody is happy!
Sometime I think of starting a business but I think I would lose the joy I feel if I was doing it for money.  I know that sounds wierd but that's me!

It's really nice to be back...
Has anybody seen or heard from Angie??

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Yeah, all his mobster clients in the past have all been criminals!   :lol:

Have not seen her but I think there is something to that story. :shock:

Flying Mermaid and Hubby Love, you need to join a garden club and teach members floral design and receive the satisfaction of giving back to the community through mentoring young people in planting, growing and be a part of recycling projects to give back to the gulf coast through this project, that flora and fauna they have lost secondary to storms, in addition to awarding young people with scholarships who want to study agriculture, horticulture, landscape architecture.  It is each small point of light that makes the world shine.

He's Looking More Like A Burrito These Days .............

 8)

I like that idea Tyler.  I am going to look into it here in my area.  There are lots of people with beautiful gardens so I am sure there are groups.  My favorite thing I ever did as a preschool teacher was a seed growing project where the kids all got to take home their plants when they were big enough.  Most of them planted them in the ground at home and would bring me pictures to show the progress.  That was very rewarding!

So how far back to I have to read to find out what happened to Angie??

That may be the TKO the Holloway/Twitty family needs for the Civil Case.  If he claims Joran did nothing criminal, then, I would think listing it as such is a conflict of interest....

Great catch, lexie.

Welcome back Hubbylove.
I am not entirely sure on Angie. She was here I know on July 2 or 3 said she had to work July 4. I have not seen her since.
I know we all or maybe I should say some of us get a little heated when news is so slow in coming. Like now. We all just want this case solved. JMHO

All these folks on here are so talented. Tylergal I printed out your instructions for Lasagna gardening for my hubby. We have an area where we took a tree out that needs some TLC.

Last email response I rec'd from Angie, she said she is busy with work, her daughter'a wedding and shower arrangements.  She's fine.

Because he knows that the Van der Sloots are Criminals.

Brain Drain in the Aruban Polis Dept.????

 :shock:  :shock:

That is hysterical.

Reminds me of an expression , "You can't suck blood out of a turnip".

What's to drain, ya know?  LMAO[/b]

How rude of me - Good Evening Monkeys!

Hi Frijole.

I posted these 2 messages just before the end of last thread so I'm reposting.  BBL.

1)  Oh, hi monkeys!

Tyler, I hope you are feeling much better and recovering.

Snoopy, I'm sorry for your loss.

Jacqueline, I'm so happy about your uncle's release!

Hubbylove, so nice to see you back.   (HL, saw your reply!)

Has Nonesuche been by lately?

I haven't been here for a week except occasional lurking... Shocked Shocked ...someone was poofed?! Good heavens! Everytime I fail to show up even for 24 hours I miss so much. Gotta read back four threads! Shocked See y'all later!


2)  Hi Anna. Didn't Fox (maybe Greta) have an interview with two or three of Natalee's closest friends recently...one was a blonde with very long wavy hair? I thought it was Clare but may be wrong. They talked to media for the first time. I thought she said she left CnC's that night because she was sick. Wondering it that's the one you were talking about. I think she said they rode to CnC's together...which caused questions I always had:
how did Natalee get there and who did she go with...plus why didn't she stick with them?

tidy

Good evening Monkeys!

lexie: Very interesting about the criminal filing by Taco.

What if Taco has counsel working with him, say co-counsel,  who can practice law in Aruba?? Anyone know?

HI SAN!!!!  I hope you are still feeling better all the time!

Hi San - good to see you again.  

That FP announcement had me rolling.  Let's see....

Van der Stratten already left
Janssen is rumored to be leaving
Bernadino - leaving
Dompig - leaving
Guess Jacobs is next huh?  Unless they promote him. LOL

Looks like everyone is conveniently retiring so that no one will
have the blood of Natalee on their hands.  Little do they know.

HI FRIJOLE!!!!  Good to see you.   Gotta run...DH is buying my dinner!

Hi Tidy!  Enjoy your dinner.

It is so funny!  Guess this means they are going to get even WORSE???
 8) Is that possible?  Dompig was like their brain trust, I guess???  That was their A Team??   :?

Ok one of the main suspects is now working for the law firm that represented him and his son.. So will Joran now become the new Commissioner of the Aruba police force.. Hey I know thats silly but is it????

Seems like Angie is just busy these days.  I hope to catch her on here sometime soon.  Coming back from vacation has been rough and I really wish I could take a nap right now!  

Keep up the good work monkeys!

I remember the girls but not much of that interview for some reason.  So she was not feeling well but I think the crowd would be loud, too, and it would be easy to be separated dancing.  The photo of Natalee on stage shows her will the MB kids, however.  Dancing with one of them and everything is just fine until Joran shows up.   :evil:

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On his website. there are 2 other attorneys listed. and one lists NY & International Law...not sure if he'd be what you are suggesting, but good question.  Stern is one of their last names, but the one with International experience has a Greek sounding name that I didn't write down.  Just Google Joesph Tacopina and you'll find it.

Anything going on today?  Will there be anything on cable tonight?  What about Primetime on ABC.  Seems I remember reading last week that Beth would be on that show tonight.  Is that right?

Hi everybody.  I keep getting booted offline - 3 days now. of course AOHELL is no help with the issue.  :(

AS far as International law, I think that is a specialty like someone who practices corporate law or just civil vs criminal.  I know that Taco has had cases in Italy, but whether he has license to practice there is another question.  I know in USA, you have to be licensed in each state you practice in.  I would imagine, that one would have to take the law boards for whatever country and then be licensed.  Maybe that is where Taco has been hiding.  Studying up on Dutch law and greasing palms.

Easy - hate to say it but I think the person who posted that at BFN turned out to be a troll.  I don't see anything on the ABC website.

Doesn't that just figure?  I don't want to see a five minute clip anyway.  I would like to see a two-hour indepth look at this thing.  It is incredible!

Good day Monkeys  
(I hope)

I'v been attempting to find a video / transcript from around June 9, 2005.
Seems like I heard of a clip showing when JVDS was arrested.

I'm just trying to figure out what time of day it was and IF they did any search of the property that day.. I know they did a search on the 15th and that is when the cars were impounded.

TIA

For those of you in AZ and the surrounding states ... Amber Alert issued

AZ Amber Alert Issued for a 17-year-old Danyelle May Hawkins Kidnapped at Gunpoint

http://tinyurl.com/gl94n

Three More Aruba Suspects Arrested

Thursday, June 09, 2005
foxnews.com

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — FOX News has learned that three more men have been arrested in Aruba in connection with the disappearance of American tourist Natalee Holloway — the same three young men who were previously questioned as witnesses in the case.

Carla Caccavale, a Holloway family spokesperson, told FOX that Aruban authorities had informed them of the arrests.

Aruban police confirmed the arrests, saying the three men had been picked up at about 5:30 a.m. and that their residences were being searched.

One of the men, a Dutch citizen whose father is said to be a prominent official in the Aruban justice system, may have been romantically involved with the 18-year-old Alabaman the night she disappeared.

Chris Lejuez, court-appointed defense attorney for one of the two men previously arrested in the Holloway case, told FOX News that he and his colleague Noraina Pietersz had been given witness statements from only two of the three men — those of the Surinamese citizens, but not the Dutchman.

Lejuez said the two Surinamese told police that the Dutchman had become intimate with Holloway at the California Lighthouse beach before they dropped her off at her hotel.

According to the attorney, the two told police Holloway had been drinking heavily and was drunk, and then when she got out of their car in front of the Holiday Inn, she stumbled and fell to the ground.

When one tried to help her up, she pushed him away and said "I can stand on my own!"

They say she then headed towards the lobby, and a black man in black pants and a black t-shirt escorted her inside.

The tape from the Holiday Inn lobby camera was reportedly checked by police but no images of Natalee were found, and the attorney says the security guard on duty from midnight on told authorities he never saw Natalee enter the hotel that night.

On Wednesday, a judge ruled that authorities had enough evidence to hold two former security guards in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

At least one of the suspects, 28-year-old Abraham Jones, appeared in court in Aruba Wednesday morning. The other was identified as 30-year-old Mickey John.

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers, Pietersz and Lejuez.

"They have told me that according to police they fit the description of the last two people who were seen with Natalee," Lejuez told FOX News.

Authorities may hold suspects John and Jones without filing formal charges for up to 116 days, lawyers said. The two men were arrested Sunday on the southwestern tip of Aruba in the May 30 disappearance of 18-year-old Holloway.

The two are Aruban citizens, though one is originally from Grenada, Lejuez said.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal will review the case June 15 and every eight days after that if needed, officials said.

Both suspects have said they were nowhere near the blonde honors student's hotel on the Caribbean resort destination the night she vanished — so far without a trace. They deny any connection to Holloway.

In an interview after the hearing, Pietersz said prosecutors asked that the defendants be kept in jail at least until June 15, when they hope to conclude their investigation.

Vivian Van Der Biezan, spokeswoman for the attorney general's office, said investigators must come up with some evidence to hold the suspects beyond that date.

Der Biezan also said she would check into whether Dutch law allows a charge of murder if no body is found. Investigators "cannot exclude the possibility of a criminal act because of the days that have passed."

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

"I do believe my client is innocent, that's all I can tell you," she added.

Jones' mother told FOX News outside the courtroom that her son was at home sick the night in question. She also said she thought her son and the other man in custody were being framed.

Cynthia Rosalie Jones, 64, added that the only way her son knew about Holloway was from seeing the news on television.

"They have my son there for something he knows nothing about," Jones said emphatically. "My son is innocent."

Jones' wife, Cynthia De Graaf, said she and her husband were together continuously on May 29 and May 30, the day Holloway was last seen.

"He was home. He was even sick," De Graaf said, breaking down in tears as she waited outside the courthouse for the hearing to start. "They ruined everything. My daughter has been asking for her father."


I believe this is when Deepak's car was impounded

Klaasend
thank you...  

Is this the search when the friend of the family (??) was there or was that the search on the 15th?.

What I just posted was the search they supposidly did on the 9th when Jk2 were arrested.  I don't know if Ben King was there on the 9th or the 15th.

Thanks
would be nice to know if it was the 9th... Does he normally visits firends at 5:30am ??

thanks
gotta run...
SeeeYaByeeeeeeee

I always thought that was strange ! !  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
Thanks. I do remember seeing that on CNN also .
Even NG commented on the fact that the statement from Joran was not released to the lawyer, Chris Lejuez.
Only on Aruba ! !
Didn't seem to matter whose watch it was .

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers, Pietersz and Lejuez.

What was Big Huey Baby held on?  Suspicion of taking money from Anita's purse? :roll:

Do you think we should fill out  applications for those that have lost their jobs over in Aruba..    

http://www.mcdonalds.nl/  

or

If they want to stay on the lovely island of Aruba, then they can go here

http://www.mcdonalds.com/


I'm not sure about a few of them, wasn't Deepak's and Satish's Mother caught stealing from the cash register, well just have to keep her away from the money.. I'm sure that Anita can find a see thru work shirt..  

td

Amber alert has been called off:

Alert just cancelled - Danyelle found in Phoenix and Herman taken into custody!

Excellent news!  thanks for the update.

Please read "invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed..."  What made them think she was killed with Johns & Jones were arrested, but not when the three amigoes were arrested?  Because the three amigoes did not do it and they know it, and it was actually Paulus who did it?

Or someone higher on the canashito chain?  Dunno, but it is an intriguing question.

Even more than discrimination, there is something very strange about the way J&J were treated when arrested, compared to when the three amigoes and Anita's gigolo arrested.  Suffice it to say, there is something that smells like a canoshito here and screams "coverup" to the rafters all the way to the refugees!

* *
What happens when I am in the store in the Spam aisle and I spot a can of Canoshito ?
Will they understand ? Hysterical laughing woman pointing at a can of Canoshito ! !
I will just have to blame it on the heat and the workday stress ! !
You ppl are a bad influence on me ! !  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

That's for sure, coverup started at least by June 9th with holding back of JVDS story.

Does appear that PVDS and friends were in charge of the investigation from the start.

Just back after fixing dinner.  Go back to Taco's link bottom of page 49.... how many of his clients are described as "BELOVED"??????  Does not seem to think JVDS & PVDS are "beloved"... :lol:  :lol:

No, actually I think cover up started somewhere around 9 p.m. on 5/29/06, or perhaps before, as early as the casino video was taped where NH is talking to the Anita's boy toy.

That was probably written by someone on the dark side.  Actually their version of reality is so twisted, they probably consider Osama bin Laden and Hitler their heroes.

If the wording is right on other sites it looks like the Aruban judge has decided to closed the case within a month..  I guess Paulus will get his payout soon..  I think I will read a book, its kinda sad that the Sloots get their way with everything.. There will be no justice in the courts for the Sloots because they run the courts..

MF's translation(sounds more like opinion) of Paulus article yesterday...

It says that the judge decided to close the case and will decide before August 1st. The main reason he wanted the prosecuter's office to give him a full report on the case, is that he wanted to know if Joran was still a suspect, which Karin failed to give him because there was a new witness and new information. The judge decided this week not to wait any longer and will make his decision this month.

The witness who clearly wanted to give Joran a bad name and lied about this to ALE and others, is now released and not yet clear if he will be charge of anything.

Good night and hopefully Aruba will be annihilated by comet when the Sloots are visiting..

Well In all of Taco's air time he wasted he was defending
Joran is a criminal suit not a civil suit.. Think about what Taco
was saying about his client..

Sue,

I don't think Joe T. would ever defend anyone that was innocent, what fun is that.. He wants to show that he can get the quilty off, has nothing to do with justice..

Hi Hubby... it's been forever... I missed you on our workout thread and then it all crashed...

Yes Terry Scum grows in the same pond

Yes, I think so as well, kinda why I said 'at least' with the evidence of the JVDS statement being withheld.

So it looks like Carlos the Colombian is free and likely never to be heard from again.

Also, it appears the judge has decided to make a decision in the Paulus case...by not making a decision...again.

Well, it's not like there's any suspense involved, all that's left to determine is when and how much PVDS is gonna get.

Sure do hope those poor Aruban taxpayers enjoy paying up to PVDS.

Same old sh**, different day!...I hope tourism continues to decrease. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch!....BTW, Hello Monkeys!!

Hey, Elaine, how are you feeling.

I have a feeling whatever money Paulus is awarded it will come from the people he is involved with.  They will say it's from the government but I don't think it will be.

They are showing the world it is OK to commit a murder and also be rewarded for it.

Hi Mrs Red!... Another great fp post by Mr Red :D

Thanks Elaine!  How are you??

Oh, I hope it comes right from the government, so the citizens of Aruba who have not stood up to this corrupt island will see for all it's worth just what they have condoned.  Let 'em eat cake.

Howdy Tyler! I am getting better by the day, and hope that you are as well!

Yeah, but, someone's down there loosing some big bucks in lost tourist trade.

Who ever that is I'm sure can't be too happy about it.

Exactly Tyler, seems to me that they have never stood up and questioned anything ever.... seems like to me it would be time to start.  I still don't understand how they could think that it wasn't going to hurt tourism.... I didn't follow the man golfing in Jamicia that was killed in the late 80's or early 90's - when ever that happened - but I did know that it wasn't safe to go there ... it's the same with aruba... everyone knows it's not safe...

Well if it is someone involved with porn and drugs I don't think he really cares.

My mother-in-law wanted to take the whole family, about 20 people, on a Caribbean vacation back then. She suggested Jamaica but everyone told us that Jamaica had a crime problem. We didn't know what had happened exactly, just that Jamaica was not safe. We went to the US Virgin Islands instead -- St. Thomas. Had a lovely time with no trouble whatsoever.

Point is, word does get around and a reputation does linger.

Ah, money is money, I don't think anyone likes loosing any amount of money just because a jerk screws up a weekend, especially the big bucks that are being lost.

AND, he is not the type to do pro bono work for a cause.  This guy is in it for the money!

The ones that have the big money are not losing it in tourism trade.  They are racking up with on-line gambling, porno, etc., because they can show the rooms filled to whatever, and cover that via money laundering.  The losers in this are the island people who count on the service industry to survive.  Like I said, if they are not willing to stand up to their government and affect change, then let 'em eat cake.

Make no mistake:  The big moneymakers are still shaking.  It's the little people who kept their mouths shut to protect the big ones who are hurting, and if they want to do that, so be it.  

It's like the old saying about we were quite when Hitler came and who will come for us, and they were quiet when the criminal elements took over, so now they suffer the consequences.  American built the island and Arubans allowed the criminal elements to take over.

Good evening~!  (I am alive..lol)
Hubbylove if you are still here..great to see you and glad you had an awesome time on your vacation!  :)  LaLas.. I havn't forgotten about Nemo.. !! I been busy with work.. wedding..shower.. etc. and my son.
 Gotta have eyes in the back of my head anymore. He went camping with my parents over the weekend. (he rode up with them..I still have his license plate and keys..)  Umm.. Sunday night he and his friends and some chicks at the campground.. got into some mischief and got drunk.
Spent alot of time on the phone with my mom that night. My kid and a few of his buddys were sicker then a dog.. one kid even passed out on someones deck.  Thankfully a teen with some brains went and got my mom and dad and some of the other kids parents.. and told them about my kid and the others and we worried about them. ESP since my kid was barfing his brains out.. and his friend. Took my dad and another guy to pick my 6 ft 2 kid up and carry him onto the deck of their camper.
 I was hoping beyond all hope the next day he would have had a hangover from hell.. but that didnt happen. (maybe since he hurled so much). SOMEONE of age bought these kids booze.. they drank Absolte..Bacardi.. and beer.  I am disapointed in my son.. he could have very well left. But.. nope..He is lucky he didnt get alcohol poisoning. People are trying to find out who  bought the kids the booze. The kids WILL NOT tell. Sooooooo his butt is grounded again..no plate or keys..no car. Oh I am sure since I am a drunk ass hick bitch.. its my fault he drank.lol Sure.. I like to have a few beers here and there. Last I checked its legal..... and I am an old lady!  I had him read an article on the internet about alcohol posioning cause he didnt beleive me you can die from it. I had one of my friends come over and she talked to him because she had it when she was younger and had her stomach pumped. I think the bulb went off FINALLY in his head. I cant say that I am pissed at him...disapointed is more like it. :(
  Sorry for taking up so much space... and TY to those that has emailed me.. I have been lurking off and on. I have had alot to deal with lately.. and work sucks bigtime the last few days. Pffffffffffffttttttt. I need a vacation. LOL    HUGS to you all.

Yikes,  like 7 miles from me!  Heard this on the way home from the Doctor.  Thanks Red,  you had more info than the radio provided.

(((Angie))))) sounds like you need a big old monkey hug! Glad your boy is alright and didnt get alcohol poisoning!!!

Wow,  they didn't know this 30 minutes ago on the radio!!  They were still reporting her abducted!  thanks Klaas.

  HI Elaine~!!  TY and hugs back at yah neighbor!  :)

hey there Ang....

  Good evening Mrs Red..  How you be?
Fireworks still goning off here in my hood. grrrrrrrrr
City is having their display tonight as well.  lol

I agree Tyler.

Tonight? Really?  and I thought our town was all weird because we do every holiday event the day before.... LOL

Yep.. tonight. I can see them from my house... they start at 10. I told my kid he could sit on the porch..lol

i am glad that he is ok after drinking and mixing....

Me too.... after reading the FP when they made Beth apologize... I still cannot believe that they thought that was the answer

That creep Merrywether or whatever his name that was involved in this Beth boycott (staged anti-Beth parade) has a whole lot of relatives on that island and many, many businesses and they are all tourism-dependent.  I hope his cake chokes him.

Don't forget to watch Rita tonight ... its the swan song of Live & Direct at 10edt.

However, spoke with them today ... Rita staying at MSNBC to do other projects.

The closing of one door means the opeing of a new.

OT

Since it is kind of slow, I have a quick question that is personal.  Have any of you had a Dobutamine stess echo?   I am concerned about the drug they administer and I am wondering about side effects.  Scheduled for tomorrow AM

Thanks

Kinda wonder what kind of rearranging Dan Abrams is gonna do with the place.

Thanks Red - I sure hope the show doesn't get pre-empted by N Korea and their missle tests.

Is he moving to that time slot?

Wish I could answer, but I don't have least idea what you are talking about.

Hope it goes well for you whatever it is.

My aunt had one about 10 years ago, she was about 77 at the time.

She came thru with flying colors!

Don't recall that she had any side effects at all.

Angie!  One of mine went to a sleep over when he was 17, and picked up a few on the way.  Problem was they all congregated on the HS grounds and when police car showed up one of his passengers told my son he had an open bottle of liquor in his backpack.  When all were questioned, there ended up being one fellow student who had cases of beer in his truck. and when it came to my son, all passengers lied...but my son could not, because his favorite uncle was a detective, and he respected the law.  Yup, we had to go to court...once for him, and once for the ninny who had the cases of beer in his truck.  The a$$wipe (sorry  :( ) that had the booze in my son's car got off....don't want to mention what his dad does for a living but he's involved in our diocese....life goes on.

Glad your son may be enlightened at this young age...I will never forget the police dept & the officer who talked to us...ours is now a dispatcher and still hopes to be an officer.

Don't think so, Dan was supposedly promoted to General Manager of MSNBC network.

I guess that would mean he'd have some input as to what the lineup is gonna be.

Dan's show was the only show I watched regularly on MSNBC other than the occasional Nat info when made aware of it.

Ty..  (dang kid).. :(

  AZ..  I never heard of it? But maybe you can do a search online.. I'm sure it will list side effects of there are any.

Sometimes I don't like to read possible side effects.

Just by knowing them I sometimes think I bring em on!  LOL

 
 Thats awesome 2N!!  The guys I work with laughed and said boys will be boys.. blah blah blah.

 You have a point there.. :)

AZSunny, I know nothing about that test...but do wish you the best, and hope you know that!  You'll be okay....you come from strong stock, and Jacqueline is probably on target with not thinking about it.

(((Hugs)))

Yep, something I would do as well.

Going O/T....

Tyler.... I checked all day to see what happens next at the reunion!  You have me completely captivated....

OK... so far on Rita.... it's all Michael Jackson...  :roll:

AZSUNNy

I have never heard of anyone having any problems related to the dobutamine but as you know there is always that first time.  People with pheochromocytoma and subacute aortic stenosis should not be administered this drug, but you obviously have neither of those or you would know it.  Pheochromoctyomas cause some high rises in BP that cannot be controlled with medications and they are very, very rare.  Subacute aortic stenosis is something you would also know if you had it.  That's all I know and that was just told to me by someone else who has a working knowledge of medicine.

LOL. I am going to work on it more this weekend.  I have been having a little trouble typing from a sore arm. :oops:  Don't tell Anna.  She warned me. :lol:

I won't I promise... and now I feel bad for being a willing participant in egging you on!

TTYL  gonna go eweeeeeeee and ahhhhhhhh a bit at the fireworks..LOL
Have a great night!

I know!  They apparently adminster a drug that speeds up your heart involuntarily....I hate that out of control feeling.   I don't think there is anything wrong with my heart, but the doctor wants it done.  I am making myself sick worrying about it.  silly me.

Where is Anna?  She really had it going today... I couldn't even add... just read ... great stuff...

thanks so much,  I think I am getting myself worked up over nothing!!  (but I will be damn glad when it is done! :wink: )

I will say a quick prayer for you in the morning...

Nite Ang.

thanks Tylergal!

Certainly wish her and her crew the best in their new endeavors ... going to miss the show and the voice it gave to missing person stories.

Not really sure if I agree with it all with what Abrams is doing. Keeping others and not Rita's show ... hmm.

thanks Mrs. Red.  I hate the feeling of not being in control of my body.  i am sure I will be fine, but it will be an hour and a half of hell!

 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/431172p-363418c.html

article describing the new changes at MSNBC

that is a terrible feeling...

wow... it's been 7 years since Columbine...

New Front page post:

Why Democrats Lose Elections … Enough Said

If you get a chance you have to watch the video of Joe Biden and his comments.

Can you imagine if a Republican ever said such comments? They would be forced to resign, or get censured and take sensitivity training.


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/06/why-democrats-lose-elections-enough-said/

Yeah, but I knew when they put Rita opposite Greta that Rita was on the way out. Pretty sure that statement is in the archives somewhere.

Does look like most of us here are primarily interested in the missing persons 'genera', wonder if the networks are picking up on that.

Seems they consider the missing persons thing hot news when it's an alert but then don't spend too much on followups.

Thanks Red,  maybe she will be able to do more indepth investigations.

It's true Carnut... and when they interview ppl that do know about the cases they don't stop talking long enough for the guests to tell us anything.... and sometimes they ask the stupidest questions.....  

I wish they would take lessons from Dana and DO FOLLOW UP... but I guess it's hard when there isn't anything new....

 :shock:
You mean you ignored my instructions??   :shock: You can get hard knots all the way up that vein that will take forever to go away cause this is med and not just an IV of glucose or saline.  They will stay sore for a long time, too.  
.

Hey AnnA......

Well these cable news networks are still an evolving entity, guess we'll continue to see what unfolds.

I kinda disagree that it would be hard to do anything when there's no new news, I think that would be a good time to discuss what happened and why in greater detail on things.

I think that's what the legal eagle news shows started out doing, explaining to regular folks what was happening in prominent court cases and now they evolved into keeping up with the latest news stories, aka Greta doing 'World Affairs', what a waste.

I know that feeling AZ all too well.  I was only 24 when i was rushed to a cardilogist with a heart rate of 160, and previously I had been sitting still.

After a battery of test...echos included, but not the kind with the dye...

Diagonosed with a mitral valve prolapse and  was prescribed inderal daily which slowed my heart rate down.

Dont worry, you will be fine, and it's always good to rule everything out.

Hey, Mrs,
I'm here, just lurking!

 :D

i just listened all day to all of y'all.. .lots of good stuff....

Hi AZSunny.  I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and say a special prayer in the morning.  I'm sure you'll be fine.  If you need anything, you can call me.  My email is in my profile.

Yeah, we talk a lot sometimes.  I am reading Front Page comments.  I still really like some of those and post there once in a while mostly just read.  

. :wink:

Ah, just waiting to pounce when I say something really dumb eh?

Yes, I read those too.... they are always interesting...

Should be a short wait.... :wink:

You KNOW I'm kidding you, Carnut....you dancin man you :lol:

Now Carnut, you would never do that!  No, I am just sort of waiting to see if anybody has any particular subject they want to talk about and if they do, I will post what I recall about it. If no one does, guess we will all just coast tonight.   8)

I remember it well, mrs. red! That was my oldest daughter's senior year and I was teaching at the same school.  Of course, we knew what was going on even though we were having classes.   I wanted to get my baby out of class and just hold her in my classroom!  It was such a scary day!

WWWAAAAaaaaa.....

 :lol:  8)  :wink: We love you, Car!

WOW....

Oh God, Casa I can't even imagine going through that.

I'm so glad you and your's came thru that awful tragedy.

God bless you!

Don't think there's a whole lot more that needs to be said, seems you did pretty well covering it all earlier today.

Jacquie expressed my thoughts so much better than I did...

Thanks Jacquie,  I know I will be,  it is just that little doubt that seeps in!    in know there is a circulation problem in my leg, which is why I went to them, but I walked 3 or 4 miles a week prior to January, and then started having some problems. My internist is in a cardiologist group, and when he said he was going to test me for everything, he wasn't kidding.  this is my 7th and last test.  I am ready for a diagnosis! I hate Doctors, and I hate having a problem!  I just want to be back to normal!

Forgive me.  And give me the honor of a tango ! :lol:

thanks to all of you!   I am just fretting I know.

Ok... some Natalee coverage (old coverage) will be shown on Rita in a few.... I wish she would just say, I am outta here so can I tell y'all  tacky joe lies like a rug!!! or something.....

You were teaching at Columbine?  wow...

[quote="AZSunny
Dont worry, you will be fine, and it's always good to rule everything out.[/quote]

Thanks Jacquie,  I know I will be,  it is just that little doubt that seeps in!    in know there is a circulation problem in my leg, which is why I went to them, but I walked 3 or 4 miles a week prior to January, and then started having some problems. My internist is in a cardiologist group, and when he said he was going to test me for everything, he wasn't kidding.  this is my 7th and last test.  I am ready for a diagnosis! I hate Doctors, and I hate having a problem!  I just want to be back to normal![/quote]

I hear you, Dr's can make you feel sicker, cause they can fill you with worry.

Glad you are in the homestretch of tests, and wishing you God Speed to feeling back to your old self soon!

The Biden FP post video links are fixed

Oh gosh! better clarify. I wasn't teaching at Columbine.  I meant my daughter and I were at the same high school (in Arkansas) when it happened.  But it was so upsetting that I wanted to get my daughter out of her class and bring her to my classroom.   At our school we knew what was going on in Colorado because we had people watching the news.  I'm sorry if I misled y'all!

Huummm. . . . that sort of sounds like one of those smart remarks.  If Lalas were here, I'd ask her to write that down in her book, Carnut.   :?   But I'm sure you are not implying I talk too much are you?   :D

No worries, Casa.

I'm glad you and your daughter were not caught up in the midst of that madness.

It was a very scary time.

It means I pretty much agreed with everything you said earlier today on the case.

I think we're on the same track about things.

Lala's already has pages in her book with just my name I'm sure.

Thanks, Jacqueline!  It was very scary. Then the shooting happened in Jonesboro, AR and my children were really worried.  They made me promise that if it ever happened at my school that I wouldn't try to be a hero.  They said that they knew how I was and if anyone started shooting I better hide.  I think it is just a reflex to protect those in your charge when something like that happens.  I admire the teachers who have been lost protecting their students!  They are true heroes!

I think most teachers are heroes anyway.

What more important job could one have then opening a childs mind to learning and making it fun.

I had some great teachers that I will never forget!

Ok... I need to get out of here and get some sleep....

y'all keep the faith!!!

Jacquie... who is stanley?

Hey, speaking of putting things in books and medical conditions, I was diagnosed diabetic earlier this year and have been doing the 'Stick n Check' bit 4 times a day since then.

So when I think of my name in a book I chuckle and think of recording my gluecose readings.

I'm a bit of computer guy but I haven't had a useable printer in 10 yrs or so.

Gave up printing when I no longer had to print checks and could just pay bills online.

Now I record all my 'readings' in a spreadsheet for the Doc. and had to go get a new printer just to print out my 'readings' for him.

Heck I even post them online for anyone's perusal here:

http://carnut.com/bio/bglue.html

Night Mrs...

I'm playing hooky tomorrow and going down the shore.

Blow off work, and join me! :lol:

Well.....criminal  denotes things such as "murder, etc."

LOL. I was waiting for some one to ask that!

Quote from one of my Favorite Movie Classics!

Mrs Red, you still here?  You love the movies, any guesses...or Red?

..........Rats leaving the ship, ya think?

My neice was in that shooting at Columbine, she was terrified for months after and went through many months of counseling ...
She is married with a child now and has been able to over come alot of obstacles, She was flown out to washington and was on Northwest Afternoon show as most of her family was from that area.. Very hard time for the family also.. she had also found out she was on their hit list because she was a jock/prep that in it self was terrifying

They held Big Baby Huey to protect him from those cowboy justice- seeking folks from Alabama....until Baby Huey could "go off to school in Holland...."  It was a big joke.

Well I'm outta here Monkeys.....

have a good night~

AZ:  good luck tomorrow, and just think tomorrow at this time the test will be over!  

Oh yes.......Stanley quote is from the brilliant film The Deerhunter.

Good night everyone! :lol:

Evening monkeys, just checking in to tell everyone that Nonesuche is very busy lately and her her laptop was zapped by a storm the other day. Let's all remember her and her husband in our prayers tonight as I know all of you do anyway.

Hi Monkeys, been reading, lurking.

Jaqueline, Is Stanley from Laurel and Hardy?


Casa, I think parents all over our country wanted there children in there arms the day of Columbine. I agree with everyone else teachers are heroes.

Anna, great post today as usual.

Now goodnight Monkeys.

Well, if I am reading the "data' correctly, they are all below 150, right?  
That seems pretty good to me.   :wink:

Thanks LaLa's I've been worried since I haven't seen her online.  If you talk to her tell her I said hi please, TIA!

Carnut,  my husband had the same diagnosis about a year ago.  whole different game isn't it?

Not exactly, there's some individual readings in there over 150, at least one at 247, but the averages are all down to near 120 or less.

Doc says avgs should get down to 100 or so.

Hello Beautiful Monkeys,

I am feeling wonderful tonight. I went to the beach yesterday with my friend LoLo and we met back at the beach again today. It was a gorgeous day of 75 degrees with a 3 mph breeze blowing towards the shore. The beach is 15 miles west of where I live, about a 45 minute drive. The past two days have been filled with the happiness and energy I get from the sun (I'm a Leo) and I'm very tan already.

I was reading the back pages and I would very touched that tcumom asked if anyone has seen LouiseVargas lately.  Sometimes she comes on really late at night?

Unfortunately, I do get to the LCD late for those east of the west coast. Just when I'm really to roll, everyone is signing off to hit the sack. I figured out I get here late because I post to the political and lounge threads first. So I'm going to switch and get into the LCD earlier and post on the other threads later, when most of you are sleeping.

So, how is everyone tonight?

Everyone in my family had Diabetes and has died from cancer or complications of Diabetes.

I always joked everytime I went to the Doctor that he just hadn't found the diabetes yet.

Well now that he has, it's taken the wind out of my sails far more than I ever thought it would.

Course there was an article recently about how beta blockers have been found to contribute to getting diabetes and folks should be on something else now a days.

Guess I'll be asking the doc about the BP meds now as well.

Hi everyone ~ what's up?

I got real scared when I got a glimpse at the Front Page...  I had other things open on my screen and I only saw:

"Today’s decision by the New York Court of Appeals, which relies on outdated and bigoted notions about families, is deeply disappointing, but it does not end the effort to achieve this goal."

And I thought the NY judge turned down Beth and Dave's case....

Phew!  That was a scare.....  ::faint::

Well, I missed those high readings Carnut but that's a lot of numbers on one page.  I still think it is pretty good, certainly have seen worse.  The thing is that you seem to have it under control at least.  So many do not and are all over the place with their readings, at least they used to be when I worked.  

My #2 son is working this summer on assisting a researcher with diabetes reseach for the second summer.  He is just a flunky and gopher but he likes it and thinks it is very interesting work.  Maybe they will discover something, never know.   :wink:

Hi Louise -

It was a beautiful day today wasn't it!  Glad you had a great time at the beach.   :D

I'm doing good, Louise {{{hugs}}} it's really good to see you!

I pretty much haven't been here all that much either this last week or so...  been busy ~ and yes ~ I know I have an email of yours to answer...  I just haven't been sitting down at the computer much lately....

Klaas ~ are you still here?

A friend from BFN wants to register here ~ she told me that last month, right before our crash ~ I told her to email Red & Tom, and mention that she knows me ~ I know I'm no big deal here...   :lol: but I thought it might help...

And I realize it was probably because of the crash ~ but she never heard from either of them...

She emailed me again ~ what should I tell her?

Right Klaas. Since we both live in SoCal, you recognize a beautiful day when it happens the same way I do. The beach was exceptional today. I feel so energized!  xoxoxoxo

 :lol: Yeah, I do know, Beaner!  (Yes, I jumped right into this thread ~ I just can't read back a thread or two to catch up on everything ~ being 10 pages back is enough!)

I really do hope you're feeling better now, Tyler...

Oh no....  Snoopy's loss...  her sister?  {{{hugs Snoopy}}}

And I have to email None ~ I haven't heard from her lately....  Anyone know how her husband is?

Good night, San

Forward the email to me and I'll make sure Red and Tom see it.  I think sometimes they get so many emails some get pushed back by accident.

Goodnight San!

Goodnight San, sleep well.  :wink:

Hi KatzHome,

I'm happy to see you too!  Hope you are feeling well.

Please forget about responding to that old email I sent. Let's go forward.

If I may ask, what has kept you busy lately? I hope it was good things.

With Love

::sigh::  I just saw that on the News page that my browser opens up to, Red....

She's in my prayers....

Katz
Snoopy's aunt passed away.  Not her sister.  I haven't had a chance to find out about her yet.  I think she will be in in a day or so to chat with us.

None is okay and her husband has been holding up well, considering.  Please send an extra prayer her way, if you can.

OK ~ thanks, Klaas ~ I'll forward the one that she just sent me now ~ it has all the same info in it...  thank you for helping ~ Angel Lala is a really good person ~ and she's done a lot to try to help Natalee's family get justice...

G'nite, all...yes, Louise and Katz...and of course Klaas and others on the west coast get here and we've on the east have ventured out.  

Louise, whenever you have a good beach day, keep some of us in mind. amd thank you.  California dreamin'...here

Have a good one...I had a lot of interesting stuff to read this AM, so I imagine when I sign off, the good stuff will roll.  

A prayer for Natalee & her family..(sigh)

signing out.

Yes, I will, Lalas!  and Phew...  I'm glad it wasn't her sister  :oops: I'm embarrassed about asking now...

I'll answer your post in a minute, Louise ~ yeah, I'm slow...

Klaas ~ I got your email ~ boy, you're fast!  Thank you for helping ~ I sent Angel Lala an email telling her that you are helping get her in...

Good night ~ sweet dreams...  and yes, prayers for Natalee & her family too...

Hi Monkeys!
Anything new tonight before I back track?
I'm waching the movie "The Linda Mccartney Story". I love this movie and just HAVE to watch it every time its on!
Did everyone have a good day?

All good stuff, Louise ~ thank you for asking ~ I've been doing a lot of artwork that I still have to finish...  and family stuff ~ and I've been sleeping more...  

I'm back to getting around 7-8 hours of sleep a night again...  For all too many months now I've been getting around half that...  since I switched to swing shift...  and that was just not enough sleep...  something had to give...  It just took a while getting used to the different sleeping hours...

Before we go any farther here, you are A BIG DEAL.  You are one of the sweetest monkeys and I missed you those couple days you were not posting and wondered where you were.  I miss you when you are not here.  OK.  Now that makes you a big deal.

After hearing you describe your day, I feel so jealousized = green with envy for your weather and proximity to the beach.

Hugs, San.  Hope Friday is a day of miracles for you.

Thanks, Lala for letting us know.  I was concerned about her and her family.  Do let her know we are all thinking about and praying for her.

Goodnight and I hope this weekend brings you much happiness.  Thinking about you and praying for your situation.  I have walked down that road and it is a rough one, but it is, in retrospect, a very rewarding one.  You will have memories that will take a few years to digest, in order that you realize those were some precious times.

{{{hugs}}}  Tyler ~ thanks!  And how are you feeling?  I hope better...

I had a great day, Spooky, thank you for asking.  I am wanting to ask you a question but I think you know what it is.  I will let you answer it.  How is your best friend's brother doing. :wink:

I am sending prayers to both of them Thanks for letting us know about Snoopy

Hi Spooky!  I don't know ~ I just got here too!  And I'm just socializing...  :oops:

I am feeling much better, thank you.  Just about all well.  Saw MD today.

I am sorry I miss Tidycat.  She comes around so rarely and she is such a good kitty mom.  

I wish ArtColley would honor us with her presence more often.

It was good to have truthseeker, kimmy and hubbylove here for a while today.  Anyone seen Ospainter lately?

Oh yeah!!!!!

And did they finally free Uncle Mike?

I think I just read a contrats post to Jacquie that they did!!!!  I may have even posted a reply on that one...   :oops:

lol he's doing well but without me :?  the trip was uneventful in that respect. but we had a fun time, so that's something, i guess. sigh... i am such a dope :lol:

Oh, well, if Sleuth and Third do not make it in tonight, Louise, Spooky and I will be alone.  So many chores today and tonight including making phone calls and trying to catch up on my laundry.  Gee, how behind it gets and DH and housekeeper have been warned not to wash my clothes.  Sometimes after they do my laundry I have to give my clothes to a barbie doll.

Hi ya Katz! Good to see you :D

I think Uncle Mike is on his way and Spooky, you are no dope and glad the trip was good, but I wish it would have been better.  Hugs to you.

 :lol: I'd just buy a bigger size and let them do the laundry all they want!!!!  But yeah, I wash everything in cold water too...

My sister's infamous for washing everything in hot....  at least she used to be...  She ruined more stuff that way...

I just emailed Strike asking him where he is...  haven't heard back...

yea I'm doing laundry right now. and I thought the reason my clothes were shrinking was because my butt was getting bigger?? :lol:

{{{hugs}}}  Spooky ~ even though I don't know exactly what you and Tyler are talking about ~ I think I can kinda guess...

thank you. there will be other chances though :wink:

I am going to duck out for a while.  I took a nonsteroidal and my arm feels better, and I have an article I need to write for our rose magazine, so I might finish that which I have already started and write on my novelette.  Don't tell Anna now.

and you are prolly guessing right :wink:  and thanks for the hug. back at ya

see you later Tylergal

Okay, Spooky has arrived and I am going to bed now.  Gosh!  I finally got to see Spooky.  Night all.

Lalas!! I am such a bad friend for not getting you the info you requested about the football!! I dropped an email but havent heard back and i keep forgetting to call him. i am making a note right now....hugs and goodnight

..lay off the steroids Tylergirl -- we don't need you turning into another Barry Bonds!  :wink:   :wink:   :shock:

lol no kidding Wreck :lol:

Good night Lalas...  and I'm sorry, Spook & Wreck ~ but I'm halfway ducked out too...

I've got a Prince DVD playing in the background...  or should I say that SM is in the background now...

and I got a new toy...  it takes screen shots of even DVDs...  and it'll make a movie of anything that's playing on my screen...  I'm having way too much fun with that too...

And drooling over Prince picts...

Katz, if you are still here, I want to show you this.  

Its name is Crepuscule, translates to "Twilight."  It's a beautiful name.  This is the front of my house.

http://tinypic.com/16j0oar.jpg

Beautiful roses, Tyler.

I'm gonna sign off too. Even tho the beach energizes me, more often than not, I feel tired in the evening. Especially today when I took in a lot of sun energy and beautiful visuals. The sun was very hot but I always set up my spot as close to the water as possible so as to catch the ocean breeze which makes the baking sun more bearable.

I hope everyone has a good sleep tonight, and I'll see tomorrow.

What beautiful roses Tyler ~ and your home looks beautiful too!  It looks very warm and comfy...

I'll see you tomorrow, Louise ~ sweet dreams ~ and wow....  I miss going to the beach....

Katz I am jealous of your new toy and your Prince Dvd

The toy is called Snapz Pro for Mac ~ they might have a Windows version...  let me go look...

I really love Prince, Spooky...  He makes me feel so good...


hummm  maybe not on the program...  I thought I saw a Windows option somewhere recently...

http://www.ambrosiasw.com/news/

My sister in law's family has von Hippel Landau Disease which is a constellation of symptoms including pheochromocytomas, retinal angiomas, benign tumors along the spine and adjacent organs.  It is a very rare disease, but is rampant in her family.  Her mother, aunt, grandmother all died of the disease. The family went to NHI to be studied for symptoms and gene identification.  My SIL was illness free at her exam, but her older sister and her sisters daughter were found to have it. My SIL chose not to have children b/c of the high possibilty of passing on the disease.

Hi everyone,

I am wayyyyyyy back, but wanted to mention this

Klaas, on page 40 last thread you posted a picture of the silver car in the drive way.

Notice the black strip on the side. check out that car with the car in the auba tape that looks like PVDS..

This is the only car with a black stripe that I have seen. Makes me wonder.

See ya when I get caught up, maybe next year lol.

OS

Good evening monkeyfaces! Any news today? I have been extremely busy preparing for our trip, and son and hubby have been on the puter looking up attractions for us to visit while we are in Arkansas. I think that Silver Dollar City in Branson, Missouri will definitely be one of our stops...

Finally caught up.

Time to go to bed.

God Bless,

OS out

Spooky, you still here?

yes Third but I was just heading out.
Miss ya!! I havent checked my mail box yet :wink:
Whats up?

You actually answered my question!    Was checking to see if you received your package...

Anyway, I sent you an email.  I do miss you too.  Hope everything is going GREAT for you!  You deserve it!  ;)

I think I'm going to head out too.  Hope to talk to you again REAL soon...ok?  Have a good night!

Ok, going to bed everyone!  ;)  See you all tomorrow.  Have a good night!

just emailed ya!!
i am out too
nite all and God Bless Natalee

Good morning, monkeys...

AZSunny - praying that your tests go well..

Jacquie - wonderful news

Tylergal - thanks for the beatiful rose photo last night.  You are right in that they would welcome ranidrops...

Snoopy - so sorry to hear of your Aunt's passing

RED - Thanks for the continued great FP blogs. It made my heart sink yesterday with the flashback Front Page post taking us back to when Beth was asked to apologize.  That is just wrong...

I was longing for a Caramel Macchiato all day long...

I also saw some longtime monkeys have returned...welcome back

AZSunny

If you check in....the test is very controlled.  The medicine in the IV starts slow and titrates (increases) slow.  It can be stopped at any time and leaves your system quickly.  When they want to see how the heart works under exercise, and someone can not walk (you have a leg problem), they use a drug to mimic the "stress" a good brisk walk would have on your heart.  They will watch you every minute.  I've seen some pretty sick people have this test and they control the dosing very well.  Good luck.  I'm glad you have someone that is interested in getting to the bottom of your problems.  Women don't have classic symptoms of heart issues sometimes. Unfortunately, many doctors ignore them.

Carnut

I've never read that beta blockers cause diabetes.  Beta blockers can mask or hide the symptoms a diabetic gets when his sugar is high or low (hunger, sweating...).  The drug is a standard of care for anyone with heart disease...many of whom are diabetic.  I would be interested in reading the article if you can possibly post the source.  TIA

Shadow wrote:
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Houdini, I'm with you on that one 100%! They ALL need to be outed. Who are the others involved??? How many and how high up in the ranks do they go?[/quote]

The answers can be found in the pimps modus operandi, and what exactly happened leading up to Natalee leaving C&C's with Joran and the Kalpoes. You know they weren't alone, there was reports of a white car following them.....right?

good morning!!

Good Morning ldstlou!

morning!! was trying to catch up!! Haven't been able to post in awhile!! How are you?

Good Morning All!

Anything happen over night?  I see that Dana Pretzer's show will be on Saturday night this week and his guest will be TBA.  Who or what is TBA?

was going to ask the same question!?
Hey Easy, I am the one looking for that joke you posted about the 1 week at the gym, can you send it to me?

ldslou wrote:


TBA = To Be Announced.

I will find it later and send it to you.  Is your email in your profile?

I think I heard them play at a concert one time.  They weren't the main act. lol

Good morning.

I emailed Easy's gym joke to several people who are reportedly still laughing.

Glad to see some long lost monkeys back in the cage where they belong.  

Chemo was Wed.  Went pretty fast since it's only one drug (Taxol) now.  Stupid Decadron made my face red so all day yesterday I looked like I had a sunburn.  Yes, I was at the pool the day before but I was wearing a HAT!  

Is Uncle Mike really HOME yet?

Are your doctors giving you good reports?

Good morning Peaches and all Monkeys!

Not home yet, but last we heard the American Embassy is working on getting him a flight home soon.  Hopefully he'll be home this week end.

Will keep you guys posted, and thanks again Peaches and anyone else who expressed concern.....thanks alot. :lol:

yep!! and thanks!!! :lol:

well...off to work...have a blessed day all!!

Ahhhhh.....I was thinking it may be Joran....The Bullchit Artist

Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/

BonDia
July 6, 2006,
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/July/06/A-06-07-2006.pdf
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/July/06/B-06-07-2006.pdf
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/July/06/C-06-07-2006.pdf

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/

Solo Di Pueblo has not been updated recently
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Awemainta - register to read
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Yes.  Clean CT on 5/19.  Good labwork.  Two maintenance chemos down with TEN to go.  The first six went really fast.

That's great news to hear Peaches!

TBA= Two Boring Arubans?

Julia & Tito are on again?

Morning Monks!

Jacquie - Hope Uncle Mike is back soon!

Peaches - You are doing great - Dab on a little concealer to cover up that sunburn!

Maybe Dana will have somebody really interesting wo knows things about the case but did not want questions in advance for some reason?????????????

Just thinking out loud - TGIF!

Yawn :o Now that's two boring Arubans! :)

That's GREAT news!

Good Morning Monkeys!!

Peaches - great news.. hang in there - you'll be finished with treatments in no time.

Morning Fluffy!

Good Morning everyone?  My daughters turns 21, gosh that seems too old.. Is there anything happening on the case are we back to the beginning?

Congratulations Terry I am sure she is a lovely young woman.

I see Peaches is doing well and Jacquline uncle is going to be in the US soon...

FlyingMermaid,

She is with her serious boyfriend in Chicago and will be in West Palm Beach next week so I might not be online for a week or two..

I want to put a pic under my sig and I can't do it!  Whaaaaaaaaaaa!

Guide me oh brilliant monksters!  Pretty please!

Good Morning Daahhhhhlllllinnnggg.    TGIF!!!!

Wow terry - 21.... That is great.  I bet you are really looking forward to your visit with her.

So either her boyfriend has no sense of humor or they are in a committed relationship????????????? 8)

Hi Terry!
Happy D day to your daughter...

Actually this is my good friends father, not my uncle.

But all of his friends have sort of adopted him as our Uncle Mike!

Thanks for the well wishes!

Flyingmermaid,

Yes, I guess I will have to be in entertainment mode.  You would like her a lot, she actually graduated from Culinard in Alabama.  I will send you her webpage and you can see that she has a lot of energy..

I know most of you thought that I was 21 and not that I would have a daughter 21..   :D  :D  :D  :D

How goes things with the GF Terry?

What FG?   :D   More fishing time..

I got this fun game in an email yesterday
Scuba in Aruba
www.bigfishgames.com/newsletters/jul04_2006.html

I'm going for a ride, its nice and not raining yet and its a good day.. I hope everyone has a great day...  The house is clean and everything is put in its proper place so I'm ready for this weekend..


td

Don't you think you should go to my house and put everything there in it's proper place?

My Neighbors are having a Casino Night Party for their son tonight.

He will be reporting to Parris Island on Monday Morning to enter bootcamp for the United States Marines!

Wings, Subs, Keg, Texas Hold Em!

I like your neighborhood...!!!   :D

Good morning friends....

Wow fm - sounds like a fun time.  

But ya see, I will give terry $10 to go clean MY house.  Of course to put everything in its proper place may take days! :lol:

Good Morning Memere - How are ya today?

Good day....sunny and in the high 50's when I got up.....probably in the low 70's....thinking about going to Lowe's for one of those tall ladders....need to clear out gutters.... :)

Morning MeMere!

We do have alot of fun.....Even strippers or a belly dancer are rumored!

Of course I  made spicy Cajun Peanuts (Roasted in the oven)!  and Mexican 7 layer Dip.  I saved all of the red, white and blue banners and decorations form Mr. Mermaids Son's party last year when he came home from Iraq and we decorated their whole patio!

FM....that sounds super.....could we have the layered dip recipe....?  I have enjoyed it but never made it..... :)

Save my place....will be back later..... :D

If there were reports of a white car following them that means the car was black.  Who do we know that has a back car?  Joran & Freddy's friend Jamie.  JMO.

Sure I will post it in the lounge!

San wrote:

Ain't that the truth San!  You can't believe anything reported by Aruba.

I'm waiting for them to declare the case closed, because I expect someone to pick up the sporter for some "Zoo Interrogation".  Within 10 minutes he'll either be "singing like a canary" or bleeding like a "stuck pig". :lol:

Morning Monkeys!  Coffee anyone?

Yep just take the opposite.   Do we know if any of the other "pimps" were at C&C?  Any of those named - wonder if they were there.  I would like to know where the info of the "white car" came from - witnesses there?

I sure would also like to know the cell phone records of the group - leading up to the group leaving C&C's.  It could perhaps shed a little light on who was talking to whom - possibly making plans?

Which monkey wanted help in placing their avatar in their signature line?  I have some advice, if you are still interested.

 :lol: I hope someone at least video tapes it!

Hi lala's - I sure could use coffee - I can't seem to wake up today!

flyingmermaid was asking this a.m. - but I would like to learn too... :D

Morning Kimmy, I am sleepy this AM also.  I think it's because it's Friday.  The best advice I can give you is to ask Klaas to dig into her avatar archives and post your url. She posts it so that there is a space between certain letter but then tells you the correct way to copy it into your sig line. Trust me, it is the best and easiest way to do it.  I know from experience.  It works very well, if you follow the directions.  :wink:

Kimmy53 wrote:

They will never release any cell phone records because it would reveal too much information and this case would have been solved. We would also know all the people who were involved in the cover-up.

Goodmorning all!

The white car information came to light in the Dutch reenactment.  For all we know they could have gotten that information from Julia Renfro  :wink:

Klaasend wrote:

If they did, we can consider it GOSPEL.  :roll:


But then why bring up the white car at all, unless it was mentioned in someone's statement.

Somebody made note of it, on that you can be sure.

That's what I was afraid of.

But then again- the pimps could have been circling around like sharks....waiting for Deepak to call and say they are coming out the door now.

Something I am wondering about the cell phone records... Could the "provider" be compelled to turn over the records?  For instance.  Say Bob owns a little cell phone co. but for what ever reason doesn't want to turn over records to authorities.  He buys airtime from Alltel to sell.  Wouldn't Alltel have the same records as Bob?  Even if Bob decided to delete records, wouldn't Alltel still have record of calls?

Guess I'm reaching.

Need I say anything more. :lol:

Thanks Lala's - Any help would be appreciated.

I agree that someone indeed made note of it because they were trying to mislead everyone.  If that someone was one of the three they were instructed to say white car.

Kimmy53 wrote:

That's a "logical" reach, Kimmy.

Klaas, doesn't Allmetro know alot about cell phones?

How much do we know about any of the photos taken by the MB teens that night at  C&C's?  Does anyone know of any that were taken outside the building at the time it closed?  I seem to remember discussion of this at one time, but so much has been hashed and rehashed, I may be hallucinating now.

Yes he does and he could probably answer this question.

I did it! I did it!  Thanks Klaas!  It feels nice to have a face again.!!!

Kimmy said:

"Something I am wondering about the cell phone records... Could the "provider" be compelled to turn over the records? For instance. Say Bob owns a little cell phone co. but for what ever reason doesn't want to turn over records to authorities. He buys airtime from Alltel to sell. Wouldn't Alltel have the same records as Bob? Even if Bob decided to delete records, wouldn't Alltel still have record of calls? "

This would be a good question for Atlmetroguy.  I think the answer is yes but he would know for sure.  I think.

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Good Morning, all,
I am having my organic coffee from Mexico that is said to be BIRD FRIENDLY at least on the label.   8) I just hope it was not too bird friendly as am not sure what that might entail but unpleasant images come to mind as in statues that are friendly to pigeons, etc.   :?

Was the white car seen in the security tape from International Diamond?  That was my recollection.  And since Geoffrey's sister had a white car or one was parked at his residence some times, heck, anybody but Joran, right??  A white care was behind me coming home from the store yesterday.   :shock: I guess that means it was following me!   :shock:

Must muddy the waters as much as possible to deter from the obviousness of what happened.   :? JMO but I am always right.   :lol:

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Morning Monkeys....

how is everyone??  


I was thinking about this last night... and tried to put together everything I believe out of the statements of all of these little slimy ba****ds....


(1) - consistent by K2 - did not p/u jvds
(2) -  jvds changed that story from his ca interview to his greta interview to the statements..... from no one picked me up to deepak to satish

so, I think there was never a drop off at the beach... they didn't go there.... I think they made that story up because of the fact that pvds knew from his buddies on ALE that there was a man flashing tourists and trying to molest them from the woman who came forward.....so they were putting their hopes on ppl being stupid enough to buy that a flasher did it....

they all mention going by the house... so I think it happened there.....

it has been mentioned that freddy, and guido were at jvds' house...

so i think it happened there and there is proof.... via film or otherwise (plus no search... they didn't search the main house  :roll: )

can anyone add to this or tell me where I am going wrong??


and I agree San... if they said white it's probably black!!

You're right Anna :lol:

New Front Page Post:

In Aruba, Some one Accusing the Government of Hiding Some thing and Protecting Someone? Say it Isn’t So

http://tinyurl.com/zwma7

Just another aspect of Aruban goings-on that the NY Civil Court Judge should take a look at when making her final ruling as to jurisdiction. Is it really possible for the Holloway/Twitty family to get a fair trail in this atmosphere, climate or culture

I agree mrs. red.  This all happened that the VDS home.  According to the suspects they drove Natalee all over the island that night.  They had to say they stopped by VDS home just in case someone did see them.  But they make sure to lead everyone away from where the real murder happened which is the VDS home.

My question about the white car is this.  Who stated that there was a white car behind them?  Joran?  K2?  I can't remember.  Why did this suddenly appear in the reenactment and never at any time before that?

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Mrs Red,
That is pretty much the way I see it, too.  Had Anita been home, they might have gone to the Mill Resort of other commercial facility but if Freddie was already in place and he is the videographer/photographer/one experienced with making CD's of previous activities, that would be a second reason for that location as well.  He may have had props, scenery, etc. all ready.

So two reasons, Anita away and Freddie on the premises.  I wonder why Melody contradicted Freddie's alibi like that.  It was obvious Anita was coaching her.  Anita also asked Freddie what the polis asked him which seems to be one of the few things frowned upon in Aruba.

And third reason, it was the only place of interest, mentioned destination, etc. that was never searched.  Now Anita is claiming it was and the yard was even dug up.  Why was there no media coverage of this big searching event?  I would think there would have been plenty.  At least of the dug up yard.  She always overplays her hand like that.   :roll:   Plus they forgot to tell Dompig about the search and he still has it on his
wish list.  I wonder if it is his Wish List at amazon.com or where?

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Cell Records

Charles Croes is the Digicel Aruba franchisee and licensee.  His airport location was place where whoever rented phones for stay on island could do so.  He was the one who accompanied HT family on first nite and listened to recording left on MBHS student's phone of 3:00am phone call.

HT family has stated that Croes has been unhelpful, and Jug on TV has stated that Croes could fit this case together like a "jigsaw puzzle" using the records of calls and other electronic transmissions.  As far as we know, however, Croes has not done so, nor do we know if he has been asked by Aruban law enforcement authorities to do so.

There are complicating factors re: cell tracking, particularly revolving around specfic plans retail customers might elect to use.  A key example is the advance purchase of a limited amount of calling minutes, which activates a user's account.  Once limit is reached, user can receive calls, but not make outgoing calls.  Typically, these are tracked w/ less detail as revenue is not derived from specific types of calls -- only from the amount of time used on network.  This differs from more standard subscription billing account model, where individual calls are tracked w/ rigor as premiums are charged for certain types of calls (roaming, etc).

Twas deepak who claimed in statement given to police that his phone was "out of minutes".  Interesting low level factoid to offer unsolicited in interrogation setting, no?

IMO, he wanted to make SURE that his phone was not sourced as origination point for a 3:00am phone call on May 30, 2005.

Digicel is the major wireless provider on island.  Their headquarter offices are in Jamaica.

Ok... so we all agree on this so far... (and don't forget ... pvds hired an atty for freddy...)

so what else can we pick apart from all the interviews, etc that we know could be facts???

Ok... the cell phones that Hammer just mentioned...

why would deepak need to say he was out of minutes...these are the kind of smalll things I think lead to what happened because they don't really fit what anyone would normally say... or think about in a situation where someone is missing...

I would love to know if guido and jvds really did have bruises the next day.... but I do believe they did...

Thanks Red - yes, certainly shows a pattern of deceipt.

Why the hell would Anita feel the need to say the yard was dug up. :shock:    All she had to say is that they did a complete searched the entire property.  Something is on the property for sure.

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O/T Totally--New baby gorilla born at Atlanta Zoo!

http://tinyurl.com/zoboc

Just thought interesting since we are monkeys.

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If  Charles Croes owns and operates the cell business on Aruba, would that not pretty much lock up the ability to obtain those records?  He would have sole access to them and by now they are certainly gone the way of the big black hole in Aruba.

Very interesting statement by Deepak - obviously a point to be made.

One more question for you guys.  If the civil suit goes through - JQK should be able to subpoena those records - shouldn't he?  

It would be very telling - the absence of the records would be telling as well.  It could show intentional deleting of records.

Why the hell would Anita feel the need to say the yard was dug up. :shock:    All she had to say is that they did a complete searched the entire property.  Something is on the property for sure.[/quote]

That was what I thought, too, San.  Why is she the only one aware of
this most thorough search?  Claimed the FBI was also there, wearing white suits??  I don't think the FBI is the one who wore the white suits the first 3.5 hour search of Sporters quarters.  Why would they?  I have never seen the FBI wearing white suits for any forensic search in this country.  Maybe she is afraid of her flagstone or whatever they are around the pool being all dug up as well they should be.  Ditto the new fountain added recently.

When one is the prime suspect in a murder investigation, who in their
right mind would start pouring concrete???   :roll:

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If that property was searched and the FBI was there assisting we would not be discussing where Natalee is we would be discussing the trial of Joran Van Der Sloot for her murder!

Come get me JoeTaco!

HAMMER,
Isnt this called a "pattern of practice" legally when there is evidence of
something being repeated like this?

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I'd like to see some Ground Penetrating Radar inside the fence at the compound.  The other nite on Cold Case Files or one of those shows, they solved a murder that was 25-30 years old.  Dad buried Mom next to the pool and poured concrete over her.  GPR found her.  Dad went to jail.  Sometimes things do work out.

That was what I thought, too, San.  Why is she the only one aware of
this most thorough search?  Claimed the FBI was also there, wearing white suits??  I don't think the FBI is the one who wore the white suits the first 3.5 hour search of Sporters quarters.  Why would they?  I have never seen the FBI wearing white suits for any forensic search in this country.  Maybe she is afraid of her flagstone or whatever they are around the pool being all dug up as well they should be.  Ditto the new fountain added recently.

When one is the prime suspect in a murder investigation, who in their
right mind would start pouring concrete???   :roll:

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None of them are in their right minds.

I also believe that the Vandersloots think they are above the law and will do as they darn well please.   :evil:

Fluffy How did you do that ?  The Avitar I mean?

That was what I thought, too, San.  Why is she the only one aware of
this most thorough search?  Claimed the FBI was also there, wearing white suits??  I don't think the FBI is the one who wore the white suits the first 3.5 hour search of Sporters quarters.  Why would they?  I have never seen the FBI wearing white suits for any forensic search in this country.  Maybe she is afraid of her flagstone or whatever they are around the pool being all dug up as well they should be.  Ditto the new fountain added recently.

When one is the prime suspect in a murder investigation, who in their
right mind would start pouring concrete???   :roll:
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This is so true Anna.  I like this line and I'm going to use it.

I believe I said something similar to this is previous posts....a similar case here in Maine happened and finally they found remains under concrete. I know jvds pool was already there.....but the pool surround was new. I am at the point now that no matter what any of us say or do, nothing will help. Sorry to be so negative, but I fear this case will never be solved.

Klaas told me what to do.  Go to photobucket.com and upload the image you want.  Then right click and copy the line at the img.  then paste it in your sig line.  It was easy to do - and I am a kluttz.  A few pages back is Klaas' explanation - try it!!!

FM - the avatar needs to be on the web, like in a photobucket site.  If you want this one, you can copy the link and add (http:// in front and in back of it and paste it in your signature line:[img]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/flyingmermblimp.jpg)

(http:// http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/flyingmermblimp.jpg )

It will look like the link above.  You can copy and paste this link but remove the SPACE between [IMG] http and after the .jpg

But according to Nelson Odobur no one is above t he law.

Pattern or Practice

In legal setting, most frequently applied in discrimination settings.  Often used to litigate police departments under claim of unfair, unwarranted search.

Here's an example:

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Section 14141 makes unlawful a pattern or practice of violating the United States Constitution or federal law. In doing so, it prohibits law enforcement agencies from regularly violating existing constitutional protections against police misconduct, such as excessive force, false arrests, unreasonable searches or seizures, and intentional racial or ethnic discrimination. It also prohibits agencies from regularly violating existing protections against police misconduct under federal statutes, such as Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, 42 U.S.C. 2000d (discrimination on the basis of race, color or national origin by recipients of federal financial assistance), the Safe Streets Act (described above), and §504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, 29 U.S.C. §794 (discrimination on the basis of disability) .

Section 14141 makes a governmental authority directly responsible for a pattern or practice of unlawful conduct by its law enforcement officers. As a result, a court can order a governmental authority to take actions to eliminate the unlawful pattern or practice.

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/split/faq.htm#illconduct

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Re: FP story regarding "hiding" of purpose for increased taxes as described...above is taken from US DOJ, and question revolves around whether same stauatory basis exists on Aruba under Dutch law.  I would think there is a similar provision, but cannot say whether it can be applied.

Test!

Except maybe Nelson Oduber. And then he decides who else is above the law.

I think you need to go back an add the brackets around the img.  Don't worry we will help you get it right. Just takes practice.

fm- i think the img has to be in a box [img] like this.  wish i could help more.

Hi Mrs. Red & All!  I'm with you...it all happened at the house and throwing the beach scene/s in the mix was just to deflect and send in red herrings.

Yes - for what ever purpose they want it to serve - Doesn't that just burn you up???

Klaassss.....the other day when I posted info from another site on
"Judge Kapnick's vacation" and you replied to me that you had different info on this.....but you did not elaborate on the info you have.....can you elaborate now?? Just wondering when this judge will be heading off to vacation time.

Exactly.

Also, remember that curious statement of Joran's to Anita, (something to the effect) : "If you had been home this never would have happened" ?

And remember the (pretended) search in the yard/exterior? All for the benefit of the TV cameras, in my opinion. Big show.

test ::Fingers Crossed::

I have to go to lunch.  I am meeting the tile guy.  Maybe we can work on it later.

Thanks anyway!

I don't think that the case will ever reach an acceptable conclusion.  That being the truth.  Too much money has flowed into the right pockets and as far as I can see, our own government has no intention of ever stepping in and asking any questions or demanding any answers.  Too many other irons in the fire for the FBI, CIA, DEA, or any other agency to get involved.  Unfortunately, Natalee was a small fish and those that could have done something in the beginning allowed too much to be lost and now only a guilty conscience will break this wide open.  I doubt that would bring any justice even if it happened.  The island and the Dutch that control it have no intention of solving this and until its people rise up and demand an accounting there will be no day of reckoning for the Holloway/Twitty family.  Just makes me sick to think of it this way.  :(

I have to agree....as much as I hate to. It all sucks.

I was looking at this calendar and don't see a vacation:

http://tinyurl.com/rd5zn

Type in the "code".  Then choose Supreme Court Calendars (by Justice), then choose New York County, then pick Kapnick's name:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/kapnick.jpg)

For each day with information in it she has several cases listed.  I don't see a vacation other than nothing scheduled on the 17th and 24th of July where nothing is listed.

How embarrassing was that search.  Could you imagine the people who were searching and when they get to a certain area they look at Paulus for his approval and him shaking his head no.

To me that is like when a little kid is in the candy store and they want an piece of candy and they look up at you for your approval and you shaking your head no.

The New York judge really needs to give the go-ahead. Hopefully, something would then begin to un-ravel and the truth emerge.

Ok...thanks...interesting, indeed.

Yes...it was rediculous...remember the guy in his little outfit looking up and seeing the camera trained upon him and then saying something to the guy he was with and the guy spoken to looking up toward the camera, and then they both quickly pretended to be intently searching? It was so transparent. It was so totally fake.  The answers are at the Sloot residence.

Yes, the phony baloney white suits were the give away.  Gee, we wouldn't want to contaminate anything after a family of five, all their trashy friends and two dogs have been all over any evidence for two weeks!   :roll:

Sometimes I think we were just too polite, waiting for them to explain and actually trying to understand their fake system they were blathering on about all the time.  I wonder if we had just said right up front to cut the crap if they would have been more honest.  Maybe they actually thought they would fool us like little children.

Paulus also had his buddy Ben Vocking present to "help" him which is also highly irregular as Vocking aka King is a member of the PROSESCUTION.  Talk about double dealing.  I think no one should have been on the premises for the search, not even the Sloots.  Never saw that before either.

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San,
Glad you like my concrete remark, feel free to use.   :D

I also think the elitist Dutch sold the local Arubans a bill of goods that didn't quite pan out.  For example someone seems to have instilled in them the notion that we have hundreds of thousand go missing and they remain unaccounted for.  This just is not so for the average is 150 year, far far too many but includes those who want to disappear and accidents, etc. Eventually, almost all of them are accounted for.  Based on population that would mean one every twenty years for Aruba.   :evil:

Like their murder rate, their rate is not only higher, they don't even count half of them.

I also think someone told them the boycott would not work and would blow over.  The State Dept has to back a boycott and they won't do that, so it won't work or worse, can't be done.  Alabama does lots of business with Aruba so they won't boycott because they would lose the all precious dollar.  Also that Americans could not boycott as the hotels are owned by American companies and all sorts of misinformation that the Arubans seemed to swallow and count on being facts.  None of it was.

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wow Klass...u really are amazing......

have u gotten a raise lately???
 :wink:


anyone know what kind of golden handshake dompig got???
i'd prefer to see him get a golden shower  ..lol :shock:

FOM -  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: You crack me up!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

hello all!! quick post...gotta get to my office, but just read fp story...obviously PDR trying to get in good for next election!! Anyone recall who heads it and can we start writing them to investigate Natalee's case?! They could REALLY score points if they solved the case and put Aruba back in US good graces!! That could be out argument!! Let me know what you think

PLUS!!!! no way to explain the 3am call from Natalee w/ monkey sounds in background if she was at beach!!! DEFINATELY!! could hear ocean in background...even Joran said w/ Greta it was very loud there with the sound of ocean...that's why he had to walk away a bit to call Deppak/Satish (whatever!!) for a ride home!!

one last bit of my opinion!! haha
BALONEY!!! he was getting ready for school the next day and thus the reason for the delay in leaving...remember..supposedly Joran was doing schoolwork while K2 waited!! IT WAS THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR!!! He slept in school the next day!! They were probably setting up the darn cameras!!

Ok.....so Anita says a full search of the whole property was done.....BUT.....we hear otherwise and that only Joran's apt. was searched. Are there documents to any searches on the whole property? I suppose if any docs did exist, that now they are in the damn trash, just like everything else in this case......,no,??

Another thing that I was thinking (to add to this very eloquent theory Scarlett has brought forth) is that maybe during this "video session" of Natalee being raped, she possibly could have gained consciousness, and began to fight back...possibly even threatening to go to the authorities.  At that point, it's quite likely that the collective of suspects decided to silence her forever...

One other thing to add to this as well...if there was a video taken that night, you can betthe farm that it no longer exists!  It has been destroyed, IMO.  They'd be candidates for the dumbest people in the history of human existence if they didn't...

2 points here...I always thought Satish was the weak link..and so does Art!! If someone could just get to him!! Remember the "ghost".
oops...forgot my 2nd thought!! haha trying to catch up and post fast before I go to work!! BRAIN FART!!! haha

ty.......not  everyone appreciates my style but i am glad to give u a laugh anytime klass :lol:

gotta go---be good

oh screw that
be bad have fun
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we just HAVE to get someone there with some political clout on our side!!

Remembered my 2nd thought!! haha  Jossy also CONVINCED!! they found forensic evidence at the house...wish we could get Jossy to elaborate!!

Not only that, but I just got my trip advisor newletter.... Aruba shows up NOWHERE on the top ten for anything.... the Dominican, Nevis & Kitts, etc

Leaving on this note.  You are so funny LisaLou. Between you and FOM I may actually make it through this Friday without crying.  :lol:

Before you leave, I'd like to tell you how much I enjoy being in your presence Lala's!  Your aura is breathtaking...;)

laughing because I am naive about getting someone political on our side or because I am so so blonde today!!!!???? :roll:  Have a wonderful day either way!! and remeber..THIS TOO SHALL PASS!!!

so sweet!! I second that!! to both of you!!

Here's the story I read:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/hypertension.diabetes/index.html

Well...gotta run!! Off to the office (YUCK!!)
Read earlier where someone went to NHI for rare disease..so sorry...have been speed reading and not real thorough!! If meant NIH instead (National Institute of Health) instead and need any help or special attention...please let me know. My brother is doing his post doctorate there and may be able to help. Just let me know. I know it's a HUGE place w/ tons of research going on...but trust me....I know from when my sister had cancer...knowing someone on the "inside" really does help get you some extra attention!!

Humm, think this is the story I read:

http://www.pharmacist.com/articles/h_ts_1124.cfm

Claimed the FBI was also there, wearing white suits??  I don't think the FBI is the one who wore the white suits the first 3.5 hour search of Sporters quarters.  Why would they?  I have never seen the FBI wearing white suits for any forensic search in this country.  Maybe she is afraid of her flagstone or whatever they are around the pool being all dug up as well they should be.  Ditto the new fountain added recently.

When one is the prime suspect in a murder investigation, who in their
right mind would start pouring concrete???   :roll:

.[/quote]

None of them are in their right minds.

I also believe that the Vandersloots think they are above the law and will do as they darn well please.   :evil:[/quote]

  Your correct  The FBI is not allowed to wear white suits unless they are white coveralls for a decontamination or possably an undercover thing  but this search was neither  she's lieing thru her bad Teeth

That calendar for the judge looks pretty full to me. That judge isn't sitting around doing nothing. She has had plenty of time for this case and certainly hasn't been lazy.

I am still thinking she has conveniently decided to let 60 days pass and then John Kelly can begin depositions. I am beginning to think that it really DOES work that way, like the poster (Darlene) said.

In other words, she is helping Beth out by doing nothing at all.

The REAL killer would be if she decided against the case going forward... on day 59. That is when I would know that the "fix" has been in on this from the internationalist crowd all along. That is exactly the kind of stick-it-in-your-face move these people are prone to do.

Hey SB...I am supposed to be gone to work!! haha but your post caught my eye!! Can you explain the 60 day rule? Have not had time to read up on it..will read your answer when I get to office..HOPE!! I have time. Thanks!!

You need a slash in front of the last bracketed IMG like this [/img]

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/flyingmermblimp.jpg)

That enabler said that because the yard was being dug for the pool surround.  It does have to be dug out when concrete like this is installed but the enabler that she is and perhaps the one from whom Joran inherited his tendency to lie, made it sound as if ALE or FBI had dug her yard up when it was in fact those who were doing the footing for the concrete.  Not only does lying make her uglier, but lying in a see-thru blouse and then describing Natalee's underwear almost makes her look and sound like a pedophile.

Third, I totally agree with you that there was a video being made or made and Natalee became cognizant of what was going on and threatened them with legal authorities but I do disagree when you say it has been destroyed.  I do believe that video still exists and it might be in Aruba or made its way to Holland with Guido.  It is still out there.  Somoene has it for a souvenir.  That's the way criminals behave.  They save something for a souvenir and videos are usually what they save although I think Joran or Deepak has Natalee's earrings, perhaps Fanita has them, even wearing them and flaunting them in public to see if anyone can see them.  She would do that.

Ditto - that was Hilarious!

The Arubans can thank the Sloots and their ALE for this:

Brickell Bay Beach Club
Palm Beach, Aruba
7 Days/6 Nights with Air
Located near famous Palm Beach!
Book by July 13, 2006
Travel Now - September 29, 2006

FROM $599 per person!

Note that is including air fare.  Not much left for the hotel.

But that is the one belonging to Michael Posner {{shudder}} so who knows just what that might include, free concrete shoes for example.

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tylergal: I agree with you that there probably is a tape still out there. However, I don't beleive Natalee died beacause she became concious of what was going on, but it was alcohol plus drugging, and potentially more drugging to keep her out when she did start to come to that caused her to pass. JMHO

FOM, I think that island might be full of people who enjoy golden showers, not sure, but they are pretty kinky.  I thought it was hilarious.

I do agree (in regards to the videotape still existing) that criminals would keep things like this as a souvenir if their M.O. was that of raping and killing on more of a "routine" (and I use this loosely) basis.  By that, I mean that I'd agree more with saying the tape still exists if they (Joran and the K2's) used murder as their ultimate goal in victimizing tourists on the island (instead of only raping and filming them).  Am I making any sense?  I guess I should explain that I believe they are responsible for her death, but IMO, as an accident (as a byproduct of the drugs being administered to her without her knowledge, or rather a result of rough sexual activity).  What you describe is more the actions of someone who did this more frequently (killing, that is)...

Damn, I feel like a mumble-mouth today! Can't get out anything that makes any kind of sense.  Hopefully you get what I'm trying to say anyway...

It really is an awesome place.  I received treatment there.  It cost a lot when I came home on it as a maintenance dose but it was worth it.  I gave a (deposition) (testimony) to FDA on behalf of my benefits received from NIH regards the drug I used.  Now it is a legally prescribed drug that many suffering from MS are using.

so sorry..I tend to disagree here. Having been slipped a date rape drug...as I told earlier...so humiliating!! only ONE memeber of my family knows..NONE of my friends!! so glad I could share w/ all of you...more inclined to believe she put up a fight.

What explains she "fell and hit her head?"

That's a good question. Maybe it was somehting said just to throw us all off the trail of what really did happen. Also, it could have been a post-mortum head injury??  I do agree with you to an extent. I would really like to believe she put up a fight and she may have before they could re-drug her. I hate thinking about all this. Makes me ill.

I'd still tend to believe that (unfortunately) if PVDS was part of the disposal (as I truly believe he is), he must have been privy to intimate details of his sons' activities that night...including the filming of the act itself.  To go so far as to include your father in something as major as assiting in the coverup of the killing of an American tourist, one wouldn't be afforded the luxury of witholding anything related to the crime...up to and including removal of the body.

With that being said, don't you think Joran's father would have counceled him to destroy anything tying him to Natalee in any way, shape or form?  I't make perfect sense to.  And, the ALE gave them plenty of time to do just that, didn't they??   :roll:

Interesting, recent read from Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700428.html

how fanatstic!!! so proud of my baby brother!! He was born on my birthday 8 years after me!! Still....the greatest present I received in my life...outside of my son!! And my son's godfather and mentor!! He is doing such great work there!! and becoming world roknowned!! Sorry for bragging!! Just so darned proud of him!! Reason I never got married...said I want a man as good as my brother...haven't found him yet!! haha But when my sister had cancer...got her into Mayo clinic in 2 days!! Frat brother there and a big surgeon. Had alot of pull!! REALLY makes a difference in the world of medicine!! My Momma died at 49 of ovarian cancer...told you all this...can't believe how easy it is to share with you wonderful people!! TRUELY AMAZING!! But by coincidence...my brother was doing undergrad pre-med work on ovarian cancer...funny..not really funny...weird funny...how the universe works!! I think the thing that really GRABBED me about Natalee...she was just like my brother!! Always KNEW!! she wanted to be a Dr. I don't know if some people fully comprehend how hard it was to get into the program at college that she did!! I mean EXTREMELY competitive!!  Bless her sweet soul and heart!! Ok...gotta stop...I am at work and can't start crying here!!

Another 'We obviously don't understand their system' type thing.

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Third,
You have led a very sheltered life, haven't you?   :( Guess you skipped all the Bangbus research archiving serial rapist/trickster activities?  Seems very popular on the island based on myspace type references.  Apparently even though I believe it to be totally fake, some people not only record rapist activity, they sell it on the internet in a big way.  And claim to make money.  There is also something called LionDollars for hosting things from the porn sites of Lions Dens.  One Aruban has a photo of his car with Bangbus Productions texted around it as though that is how he paid for it.  And shows himself holding lots of money spread out like a fan.

There are also any number of spin off porn sites using the same basic concept of sort of kidnapping the girl to get her into the bus, car, van, etc.  and it is an ongoing thing.  I am sure many new adventures have been added recently, have not been back.  But each one chronicles an event of just this sort of thing.  Also porn websites about raping unconscious girls.  It's all out there to be used as a model for pimp wannabees and other perverts.

 :evil:

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I agree w/ Art on this one...there is a reason they said this...to cover their butts!! Something happened and she hit her head!! Would have been really hard to "redrug her" I think...would have had to have involved a needle which I doubt they just had handy.

[  Not only does lying make her uglier, but lying in a see-thru blouse and then describing Natalee's underwear almost makes her look and sound like a pedophile.[/quote]

   I had brougt up the possability of Anita being a sexual degenerate a few weeks ago but got no replys
 SoI thought the idea was possably just not PC as a lot of folks do not want to even hear about suchthings as this in polite discussion and so I let it go .
  I ave seen and known women that just loved to  ear all sorts of sorted details  such as NH's Undies described as well as the sex acts and how the woman reacted to them like it or not  no one can come up with ANY proof of the GVS interview except for Gretas word wich I am starting to hold suspect
even Gretas staff said that it was just Gretas opinion tat she couldnt  talk about the underware details part of the interview  so maybe Anita  was enjoying telling Greta  the stories and watching Greta squirm .   JMO a possability

I think Satish has the missing tennis shoe.  Why do I think this?  Because the sporter was so adamant about Satish wanting to speed away from where (crime scene) he had left Natalee.  If the shoe(s) crop up anytime, he can say that Satish went back and killed her.  Satish, run -- don't walk -- to the nearest phone and call the FBI.  Otherwise, your a** is grass and the VDS family is the lawnmower.

Uncle Mike has his passport back and scheduled for a flight for home tomorrow.

Thanks again all Monkeys!

Shout out to AZSUNNY~
Thinking about you today with your echo test.

Hope all is well and glad that by the time you are reading this, the test is now behind you!

I'm glad you mention that Tylergal.

After the other day when Klaas was able to trace back to the start of the 'Natalee ran away' rumor -- I was wondering how many more lies got out there in a similar way.

I for one would love to be able to see our archives and go back to every Bondia post. :x

But...I have not been able to find a statement from any of the 3 boys that said she 'hit her head'. I can only find that 'she fell down'.

If anyone can find where the 'she hit her head' came from, I think that would be interesting.

That is a valid point.

??? in a hurry as in "hit the girl" or am I missing something? I think it would have come up in the cop car conversation if the K2 brothers had something over Joran's head...just seemed to me as though it were the other way around..as though Joran had something on K2 brothers...whether it had to do with Natalee...or other instances...who knows?
I still think Satish is the weak link though....question is...how to get to him?!

Oh trust me Anna, a sheltered life I have not lead...even though it'd probably be better for me if I had.  But, to get to you point...the "Bangbus" concept is nothing new.  In fact, it's one in a LONG line of pornographic production companies existing today.  And, believe me when I say this...I live in the porno capital of the world (San Fernando Valley, California), so I know.  But, getting back to my point...the "Bangbus" movies are far from what you are describing in your "videotape theory" involving Joran and the K2's.  Even though it's kind of a contridictory in terms, "Bangbus" is a legitimate adult film business, with all the participants being paid actors reading off of loosely written scripts (in regards to circumstances, not necessarily lines read).  There is no rape occuring on those clips.  As a matter of fact, one can easily recognize many adult film stars in them (if you know what you are looking for).  Sure, they are cheap and opportunistic...and their morals and ethics should be very heavily questioned, but let's be fair here...they are not rapists, and are most surely aren't murderers...

What I'm sayting is this...if they did videotape the act of rape (which I do believe they did), it was for the purposes of "entertainment" withing their sleazy ranks.  But, when the rape evolved into "murder", then I believe the  "souvenir" was destroyed...

Just my 2 cents.

Yep, the K2's definitely have something on JVDS or this case woulda been over a long time ago.

Only now the K2's really need to be careful about accidents and possibly winding up in a cave somewhere.

AMEN!!! and CONGRATS!!

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And it is possible that no video was taken at all not even any photos but if Freddie was involved, what an opportunity for him to miss.  Certainly Paulus would have told Joran to get rid of all evidence and in fact ALE gave then ten days or ever how long they needed apparently but I do not think Joran was totally in charge of any vid/photo. Either Deepak or Freddie would be the ones to want to keep the evidence especially if Joran is the one actually responsible for her death, sort of insurance that maybe they were in on raping or maybe just watching but certainly had nothing to do with killing anybody, that was all Joran.  

Just who I think is the one holding out with that evidence IF it exists at all.
And it would be hiden in cyberspace not on a cd that could be destroyed.


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Remember Baby Huey's interview with Greta where he described Satish picking him up and he did not have time to go back and get his shoes, Satish said something to the effect, "to hell with it," or something similar.  Right there is where he tells me that Satish has the shoe(s).

Right, Carnut,
I am just not sure if it is the shoe or the video.  Or something else entirely but they would be in KIA right now if they were not holding something that is used as protection for them.

BBLater. . . . . . . .

Life is good.  I hope AZSunny has a negative echo and her day is uneventful otherwise.

Good on Uncle Mike.

Everyone seems to be having resolution; let's pray harder for Natalee.  God bless her wherever she is.

Thirdstrike wrote:

What thirdstrike is trying to convey is the saving of a souvenir is done by serial killers.  They can relive their conquest by watching or fondling the object.  Thirdstrike feels that this is NOT the case, as he believes NH's demise was probably due to accident.

See Third, I can be your translator! :lol:

The "hit her head" was the first week, before they were ever arrested.  They said they took her to the Holiday Inn, she fell and hit her head and black security guard(s) dressed in black pants and black shirts took charge of her after she told them she could get up by herself, so they drove away leaving her in the charge of the now non-existent "black security guards dressed in black."

That was the reason for the arrest of Jones & Johns.

Saving souvenirs is also done by creeps who have done this 20 times before without consequences.  Like Anna, I think some may have lived in a goldfish bowl, and I certainly could be accused of this if I did not read as much as I do.

I can't BELIEVE!!! how BLONDE!! I am...when the "bangbus" stuff came up..I admit...I visited the site...and it SO disturbed me how people were duped!! Was thinking...oh my gosh!! theses young kids will have this haunt them for the rest of their lives!! Feel a little better knowing they are all active participants and knew in advance what was going on...is this really true?

Lets See

Hi XXX!

Yeah!  Thanks Jerry from Ohio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My goodness, you took all my hot air, and filled a nice, purple colored baloon with it!  GREAT job!!  It's EXACTLY what I was trying to say...;)

Tylergal wrote:

I don't see the conclusive reasoning that puts Satish in posession of the shoe.  But I will say that Joran took great pains to distance himself from the shoes, and even muddy the waters about their size as well.

He's definitely scared of the shoe(s) showing up.  Always thought he must not have been part of the disposal team, and maybe they reported back that they couldn't find the shoe.  Joran thinks someone has it for insurance.  JMHO

see, I think it is the otherway around...I think it is Joran who has something over K2 brother's or they would have spilled the beans long ago!!

Hello, my dear!!  How are you this fine Friday??  ;)

Thirdstrike wrote:

Think nothing of it Third, it was easy.   I have ESPN. :lol:

but thought there was a consensus that they were never at the beach?! I still think Joran has something on K2 brothers that is keeping them silent. There were so many threats in that cop car...think Satish would have spilled the beans if Joran DIDN'T have something on them

If it was, in fact, real, all the authorities would have to do is track down the owner of the company itself, and arrest them with (what's probably now) hundreds of counts of rape.  Hell, all the "evidence" they'd need would be readily available to them via the video clips on the website itself.  Of course it's staged.  Wait...you don't think in those porno movies, the pizza delivery men where sent there to actually deliver pizza, do you??  ;)  What about the plumber??  ;)

ldstlou wrote:

Makes more sense that the K2's got something.  Remember, one of Joran's confessions supposedly had Deepak going back to the beach and killing Natalee.  They announce the confession, and then recant it.  Possibly because Deepak said you can't frame me for this because I have proof........

Don't know how they would have got the shoe, because I don't see him as part of the disposal team.........Joran either.

KLAAS where are you??!! haha why do I always lose my posts?! I know, I know...being a blonde today!!

Pizza delivery and Plumber? Humm, haven't seen those yet.

So do I!!  It's part of the "sports package" on my DirecTV!! ;)

I am not nekked anymore!  So good.  Well I am 1/2 naked! Drat!

I thought it was an accident in the beginning...now I am not so sure...don't think it was premeditated...but DEFINATELY think now that Joran has the potential in him to do this again..I really think he is nothing less than a sociopath!!

To be quite honest Mrs Mermaid, I feel absoluetely comfortable being nekked in here!  Hell...I'm among friends...;)

Thirdstrike wrote:

Yeah, but I was born a psycho................I mean psychic. :shock:

Thirdstrike wrote:

I don't Third, I keep waiting for someone to recognize me as "the plumber" because of my "crack". :lol:

   I had brougt up the possability of Anita being a sexual degenerate a few weeks ago but got no replys
 SoI thought the idea was possably just not PC as a lot of folks do not want to even hear about suchthings as this in polite discussion and so I let it go .
  I ave seen and known women that just loved to  ear all sorts of sorted details  such as NH's Undies described as well as the sex acts and how the woman reacted to them like it or not  no one can come up with ANY proof of the GVS interview except for Gretas word wich I am starting to hold suspect
even Gretas staff said that it was just Gretas opinion tat she couldnt  talk about the underware details part of the interview  so maybe Anita  was enjoying telling Greta  the stories and watching Greta squirm .   JMO a possability[/quote]

It is a very real possibility - Could be some of the reason Joran has such behavioral problems.  Demented I tell you.

BTW - is that you riding that bull?

Hi everyone,
Not sure if this has been posted or talked about but I thought I would post it, just in case, for anyone interested....


http://runfornatalee.com/



And thought I'd post this link as well...


Aruba's finest family has hired a high-powered law firm to lobby against a drug kingpin law:http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99/n1196/a01.html
Here is the gist of their involvement: Another major D.C. law firm, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, recently began lobbying on behalf of Glossco Freezone, an Aruba business controlled by the Mansur family, some of whose members have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder drug trafficking proceeds, congressional sources said.

Google the name of Glossco Freezone if you want to know more about Aruba's finest family.

source: al.com

oops, let's try that again for the link....

Aruba's finest family has hired a high-powered law firm to lobby against a drug kingpin law:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99/n1196/a01.html

ok...blonde today..but not THAT!! blonde!!! hahahaha
I really thought bangbus was real!! Feel SO MUCH better now!! Thanks for the clarification!!

ldstlou wrote:

I'll have to stick with the accident because we haven't heard of any other time their ruse ended this way.

The coverup however is so complete that I wonder how many people are involved?  How many of them know exactly what happened or is it compartmentalized.  Is someone high up saying "Just do this, and don't ask any questions?".
I mean curiousity is human nature.  Whatever series of events that is portrayed must be believable enough that no one questions it.

DO you know Momintn?

I, for one am not offended by the human form!

Besides you will have less laundry to attend to.

I don't know...still not convinced...think it was Joran that hurt Natalee and K2 are keeping quiet because they were partially involved and/or Joran has something on them other than this case. I think Deepak saying...if they ever found the body...Joran is dead!!

Flyingmermaid wrote:

We are both thinking right now. :lol:

or possibly they thought the computer logs would save them...worked obviously!!

you all are too funny today!! :lol:

I'll have to remember that Mrs Mermaid!  For no other reason then to know I won't have to worry about you complaining to Red when I decide to let it all hang out in here...;)

American Pie

More than a movie or a "theory?"

IMO, the primary "purpose" of assault was the movie and the pictures.  It is in their recorded actions as cognition.  It is "what" they do.

I believe the video exists.  And they do save their videos:

1.  Satish popped the porn dvd in as they drove past LaCabana, and Natalee said she "had enough".
2.  NE reporter has beer w/ goon in Netherlands and he pops out PDA and shares porn: "Can I bite you?"
3.  The arrest of Freddie and charges sustained against him: the video recording of assault of 16 yr old girl who is slipping in and out of consciousness...
4.  After leaving Natalee on beach, what did goon do: he turned on computer to pick up soccer scores and watch porn.
5.  The event w/ Bailey and Alyse, a near exact rehearsal for the nite w/ Natalee, there is porn playing on the car's dvd (double screens), as recorded in the pictures we have all seen.

Do you believe all of these to be of "professional" level?  I don't, not at all.  And there is rumor that some have said a video of Natalee exists and they have seen, girls who local and Aruban.

It is, imo, not just serial killers who keep "trophies" -- serial rapists do as well.  And that is who these people are.  

If the video was uploaded live (for remote viewing), it is almost certain that a copy exists somewhere in cyberspace.  And I believe this is more than likely.

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stop it!! you are making me pee my pants and getting me in trouble!! I AM STILL AT WORK!!! hahahahahaha :lol:

ldstlou wrote:

I don't have the Van transcripts handy, but it starts out with Deepak mad at Joran for what he tried to say.  At first Joran denies, then gets mad because of Deepak implicating his father.  The body reference sounded (to me) like Deepak was afraid that Joran was going to say Deepak killed her and buried her at this spot.  Deepak didn't know where the body was, so he threatened him with involvement of Freddy.  Joran than threatened Deepak with Satish's involvement.

I truly don't think either of the three know what happened to the body.  JMHO

I am not saying they ever went to the beach.  I am saying I think Satish has the shoe(s).  He could have gotten them from anywhere, but the story Joran set up was so Satish could not use the shoes against him.

Hammer, I think you and I are in total agreement here.  I am going to mention again the link I found to the sleeping bitches.  That to me speaks volumes about the level of their involvement in porno.

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    Wouldnt it be interesting to see just what would happen if all the sudden the "Ol Sporter "
would just come up missing ?
  Not i am not saying  be killed or anything but left with a few men to sit in a jungle hut somewhere that he didnt know  where he was or who he was with and no one saying a word to im for this long period I bet he'd be crying and go 1/2 out of is sociopathic mind.  
  I would just be curious as to WHO would do what on Aruba  and to see who would then run for cover thinking that the worst  was yet to come .
  Just a wondering thought that I have had .

I, too, think it was an accident - "something bad happened".

I wonder as well, how many people know something.  They may not know exact details, but they may know of - say- a meeting between some of the players of this., or maybe someone walked in on a conversation, or saw a memo, some small piece of evidence.  I just can't convince myself that there isn't SOMEONE who knows some little something that may make a difference.  

You would have thought if several people knew, someone would have talked by now - if nothing but let something slip.  But then again - look at how many have left the island....Maybe they scattered so they wouldn't be so scared to slip up and tell.

The Big Hammer wrote:

It's a distinct possibility.  I definitely believe somebody has something, and that's why everyone is so "tight-lipped".  It could be a tape.

I could say that at 30!! quite proud of my "human form" then!! Now at 40 though!! keep it WELL HIDDEN!! haha AMAZING what 10 years and a kid can do to a figure!!!

ldstlou wrote:

You should ask Thirdstrike about his patented "Pizza Diet and Exercise Program" :shock:

I don't know Tygergal...I am usually on the same wavelength as you (judge that good or bad!) haha but what would the shoe prove w/out body? Why would he think at the moment to save the shoe? Give me your scenario

I'm sure you look fine Idstlou...even at 40!!  As a matter of fact, I'm going to do you a favor.  Send me a picture of you in your natural human form, and I'll confirm it for you!!  Yes, I'm a giver...;)