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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND) => Topic started by: lonemonkey on June 03, 2009, 01:46:54 PM



Title: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 03, 2009, 01:46:54 PM
The following info is about Connie Lawless' family line...


Snipped from Blink:
This appeared on my site from a poster awaiting approval here, so I thought I might help her out until she gets a vine.
Fron Lynbit:

The prayer and supplication that must surround MH and all involved is astounding. I noted DD mentioned curiosity about Connie’s family line at Scared Monkeys and followed up. I’m posting a bit here as I await Admin. Approval at SM. What an auspicious heritage of ministry on grandma’s side! Gpa’s pastorship is just the tip of a missionary ancestry. Gpa’s apparent estrangement and Connie’s seeming denial now make perfect sense to me; the horror of all this is magnified beyond belief in the context of this family’s dedication to promoting the doctrine of God’s will for how we are live our lives.

Here is a bit of Gma Connie’s family line:

Name: Constance Lorene Harris
Birth Date: 6 Aug 1941
Mother’s Maiden Name: Cooper
Birth County: Monterey

Daughter of A.A. Harris
Name: Arthur Alanzo Harris
Social Security #: 54XXXXXXXXX
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1914
Birthplace: Curtis, Arkansas
Death Date: 16 Nov 1989
Death Place: Salinas, Monterey, CA
His father: William Earl Harris
His Mother: Minnie Lucille Sloan
Spouse: Irene Cooper (Born: 1921)

Daughter of Irene Harris nee Cooper
Name: Irene Cooper
Birth: 7 Aug 1921 in Wynona, Oklahoma, USA
Her Father: John Bailey (Willis) Cooper born 30 Nov 1880 in Jasper,Newton, AR, and died 1956 in , , California. He was the son of 2. Henary Thomas COOPER (2/12/1850) and 3. Sarah Jane CURRY (2/12/149 Tenn.)
Her Mother: Effie Joetta Smithson (married 6/23/1901 in Webbers Falls, Haskell,Ok.)
Spouse: Arthur Alonzo Harris (Born: 1914)

Connie’s maternal Gpa was “Elder John Cooper (who)…came from a long line of Missionary Baptists. His father and grandfather before him were Missionary Baptist Ministers and he was reared in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.” They are bio’d (along with uncles, cousins) in the following link, with ministry all over SW Indian Territory: Twentieth Century California Pastors
http://jrhenness4.home.comcast.net/~jrhenness4/calhac/book/pastors/pastors_03.htm
Her uncle (Irene’s bro-in-law) is Harless, with 3 generations of pastors, found at same website.

Connie’s paternal connection through A.A. Harris (”Art was saved May 10, 1938 in a bean field out side Salinas. “) is at http://jrhenness4.home.comcast.net/~jrhenness4/calhac/book/pastors/pastors_06.htm

I have been suspicious of the church in Tracy. I was ignorant of that denomination’s practice and operation –very foreign to my liturgical faith. I now believe this is no fly-by-night, storefront decoy operation. Could there still have been those who used it for their own evil doings? Of course! I’m a trained journalist, nothing surprises me. But I now do not believe that “the church” as an organization is involved in any enterprise that lead to precious Sandra’s torment. and that the evil, loathsome deed/s was the work of individuals “gone rogue.” Just my opinion.

The prayer and supplication that must surround MH and all involved is astounding.  I noted DD mentioned curiosity about Connie's family line at Scared Monkeys and followed up.  I'm posting a bit here as I await Admin. Approval at SM.  What an auspicious heritage of ministry on grandma's side!  Gpa's pastorship is just the tip of a missionary ancestry.  Gpa's apparent estrangement and Connie's seeming denial now make perfect sense to me;  the horror of all this is magnified beyond belief in the context of this family's dedication to promoting the doctrine of God's will for how we are live our lives.

Here is a bit of Gma Connie's family line:

Name:    Constance Lorene Harris
Birth Date:    6 Aug 1941
Mother's Maiden Name:    Cooper
Birth County:    Monterey

Daughter of A.A. Harris
Name:    Arthur Alanzo Harris
Social Security #:    54XXXXXXXXX
Birth Date:    19 Jun 1914
Birthplace:    Curtis, Arkansas
Death Date:    16 Nov 1989
Death Place:    Salinas, Monterey, CA
His father:  William Earl Harris    
His Mother: Minnie Lucille Sloan
Spouse:  Irene Cooper (Born: 1921)    

Daughter of Irene Harris nee Cooper
Name:   Irene Cooper
Birth:    7 Aug 1921 in Wynona, Oklahoma, USA
Her Father:   John Bailey (Willis) Cooper born 30 Nov 1880 in Jasper,Newton, AR, and died 1956 in , , California. He was the son of 2. Henary Thomas COOPER (2/12/1850) and 3. Sarah Jane CURRY (2/12/149 Tenn.)
Her Mother:     Effie Joetta Smithson (married 6/23/1901 in Webbers Falls, Haskell,Ok.)
Spouse:   Arthur Alonzo Harris (Born: 1914)

Bumping this because of Blink's Excellent  points...
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                     Harris, Arthur Alonso (Old State)
Art was saved May 10, 1938 in a bean field out side Salinas. He was baptized by the Hebbron Heights MBC shortly after. He surrendered to the ministry November 22, 1943 in the Northern Association meeting in Riverbank. He was ordained April 16, 1944 by the FMBC in Antioch.

He has served the following pastorates: Concord MBC April 1944 to August 1944; Brentwood FMBC September 1944 to February 1945; San Jose MBC August 1946 to May 1948; Stockton, Eastside MBC June 1948 to December 1949; Sacramento, Friendship MBC December 1949 to November 1950; La Habra MBC November 1950 to March 1954; Eastside second time March 1954 to October 1956; Washington churches October 1956 to June 1968; Winton MBC June 1968 to November 1969; Salinas Landmark MBC November 1969 to July 1978; Pedley MBC August 1980 to August 1981; From there he moved to Salinas and became assistant to his son DeWayne in the Alisal MBC. He died November 16, 1989.

Art was a driving force for most of his life in the Old State work holding many positions and taking a strong stand for “Direct Only” mission work.

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/harris-arthur1.jpg)
                           Harris Arthur DeWayne 
DeWayne was saved in 1952 and was baptized the same year by the La Habra FMBC. He answered the call to preach August 16,1961 and was ordained by the Douglas Street MBC in Omak, Washington.

He has pastored the following churches: Omak, Washington 1963 - 65; Visalia MBC (Old State) 1968 - 69; Winton MBC 1969 - 73; Sovereign Grace MBC Mt. View; Alisal BC 1975 till present. (2006)

The church no longer represents in the Old State Work but does represent with a group of strong Calvinist churches in an unorganized fellowship. DeWayne has published a history book entitled, "Landmark of the West’.
 
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/harris-henry.jpg)
Harris, Henry (Left Landmark Work)

Harris, Henry Henry Harris attended Fresno Missionary Baptist Institute in the early 1980’s and received his Bachelor of Theology degree in May of 1985. He was a missionary of the New Hope Missionary Baptist Church in San Jose, California. He started a mission in Morgan Hill, California, with a weekly Bible Study in October of 1984. Their first Sunday service was in January, 1985. By February of 1986, the New Hope Church withdrew their endorsement of Brother Harris due to a drain on their funds.

Brother Harris and the mission in Morgan Hill were taken over by the First Missionary Baptist Church in Oakley, California. In September, 1987, Brother Harris led the mission members to join the First Missionary Baptist Church of Gilroy, California. He became the pastor of that church.

Brother Harris was a State Missionary on designated funds for the 1989 - 90 association year. In 1990 at the Messenger Body Meeting, Brother Harris gave a report that indicated he did not believe in Church Perpetuity and had led the church to receive alien immersion.

The Messenger Body asked Brother Harris to meet with a council of brethren in the Salinas church. The counsel did not convene, and Brother Harris led the Gilroy church out of Landmark work. Missionary Baptist Churches supporting the Mission had given many thousands of dollars to build the Gilroy church. Later, the church disbanded. No accounting as to the sale of the property was ever made public.

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/lawless-c-lane1.jpg)
                             Lawless, Clifford Lane

Lane was saved May 1960 and was baptized July 9, 1960 by the Eastside MBC in Stockton. He was called to preach April 6, 1971 and ordained August 20, 1971 by the Winton MBC.

He has pastored the following churches: Beacon MBC in Redding August 1971 to May 1973; Grace MBC of Gardena May 1973 to May 1974; Mission work in Eureka; the Mountain View, California, First Sovereign Grace Missionary Baptist Church in 1980. In 1981 the church in Tracy California merged with the Mountain View church and Brother Lawless continued as pastor with the church being called, Clover Road Missionary Baptist Church of Tracy, California. He is pastor to this day (2009).


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http://jrhenness4.home.comcast.net/~jrhenness4/calhac/book/pastors/pastors_06.htm (http://jrhenness4.home.comcast.net/~jrhenness4/calhac/book/pastors/pastors_06.htm)


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http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1& (http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&)

Connie's brother the Preacher....
Lived in Washington...(the state where there was a child abuse investigation re:CLL, iirc).
    Dewayne A Harris

View Details
   66    
Salinas, CA
Okanogan, WA
Omak, WA    
   intelius.com

Relatives:   
Arthur D Harris
Art A Harris
Cynthia J Harris
De W Harris
Diana L Harris
Denise M Harris
Kristina N Harris
Irene C Harris
Barbara J Harris
K Harris


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 03, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
Snipped from Blink:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/07/sandra-cantu-case-church-searched-pastors-wife-speaks/
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/connielawless-195x300.jpg)
        Church Searched- Pastors Wife Speaks
“I just spent the night with the police down at the station answering all their questions,” Lane Lawless said. Asked if he had anything to do with Sandra’s slaying, he said, “No.”

Connie Lawless, Lane’s wife, stated that they were being interviewed because they are good friends with Sandra and her Mom; Sandra plays frequently with her 5 year old great-grandaughter.

Mrs. Lawless did not have any animosity regarding the Police interviews and searches.
Lawless briefly answered questions by reporters on the couple’s way out of Orchard Esates:
..” police seized our  phones and computers during their search of  our home  Monday night. She said investigators had questioned her husband “just because we live in the park. They are just covering all their bases.

“We were very open to them taking anything they wanted to take,” Connie Lawless said. “We feel that the more people they can eliminate, the quicker they’ll get to the truth of the matter.”

Of particular concern is Mrs. Lawless’s quote regarding Sandra Cantu:

“She was at our house quite often,” Connie Lawless said. “She was the sweetest little thing. It breaks our heart to think that anyone would take such a tiny little thing, abuse her and murder her.”

(editors note: I find that quote suspect. Unless she is privy to information we are not, she indicates Sandra has been abused prior to her murder: How would she know if Sandra had been abused prior to her death)

In other developments today, Sandra’s autopsy results will not be forthcoming anytime soon. Shenemen announced that the San Joaquin Coroner is awaiting toxicology and tissue sample results before completing her autopsy or announcing her cause of death.  Typically, a preliminary autopsy result is released in a situation where further lab results are pending.  In Sandra’s case, it is unclear why the preliminary autopsy is being witheld.  Also “of note”, In today’s pressr, Sgt Shenemen used the word “killers” as opposed to “killer or killers” as he had used previously in discussing possible persons of interest in this case.

Check Back with Blinkoncrime.com for updates to Sandra’s story.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 03, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Connie & Lane LIVE & Uncensored...
"We knew her from before she was even born..."
http://www.youtube.com/v/gYxyNntfQM0



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
Descendants of William Earl Harris
                              
   1     William Earl Harris         d: in Salinas, Monterey, California, USA   Age at birth of first child: ?            
.      +Minnie Lucille Sloan   - 1969   b: in Arkansas, USA   d: April 1969 in Modesto, California, USA   Age at birth of first child: ?   Age at death: ?         
........   2     Arthur Alanzo "A. A." Harris   1914 - 1989   b: June 19, 1914 in Curtis, Arkansas, USA   d: November 16, 1989 in Salinas, Monterey, California, USA      Age at death: 75         
...........      +Irene Cooper   1921 -   b: August 07, 1921 in Wynona, Oklahoma, USA                  
..................   3     Constance Lorene Harris   1941 -   b: August 06, 1941 in Monterey County, California, USA                  
.....................      +Clifford "Lane" Lawless   1931 -   b: August 1931                  
............................   4     Brett Lawless                        
............................   4     Brian L Lawless   1961 -   b: 1961                  
...............................      +Judy A. Purks                        
......................................   5     Melissa Chantel Lawless   1981 -   b: February 23, 1981 in Orange County, California, USA                  
.........................................      +Johnny Jason Huckaby                        
................................................   6     daughter Lawless                        
......................................   5     Adam Lawless                        
......................................   5     Celeb Joshua Lawless                        
......................................   5     Julianne Lawless                        
............................   4     Joni Lawless                        
...............................      +Hughes                        
..................   3     Cynthia Irene Harris   1948 -   b: August 28, 1948      Age at birth of first child: 21      Age at first Marriage: 20      
.....................      +Vernon D Browning   1947 -   b: December 01, 1947      Age at birth of first child: 22      Age at first Marriage: 21      
............................   4     Katherine Browning   1970 -   b: May 28, 1970 in Stanislaus County, California, USA                  
...............................      +Michael W Puck   1969 -   b: May 23, 1969 in San Diego County, California, USA                  
............................   4     Meredith I Browning   1972 -   b: January 27, 1972                  
...............................      +Xavier Richard Huerta   1971 -   b: April 26, 1971 in Alameda, California, USA                  
..................   3     Arthur "DeWayne" Harris                        


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 06:09:45 PM
Descendants of Mary E Dodson
                              
   1     Mary E Dodson   1856 -   b: May 1856 in Arkansas      Age at birth of first child: ?            
.      +John F Smithson   1852 -   b: June 1852      Age at birth of first child: ?            
........   2     Effie Joetta Smithson   September - 1971   b: September in Arkansas City, Arkansas, Arkansas, USA   d: 1971 in Modesto, California, USA      Age at death: ?   Age at first Marriage: ?      
...........      +John Bailey "Willis" Cooper   1880 - 1956   b: November 30, 1880 in Jasper, Newton, Arkansas, USA   d: 1956 in California, USA      Age at death: 76 est.   Age at first Marriage: 20      
..................   3     Irene Cooper   1921 -   b: August 07, 1921 in Wynona, Oklahoma, USA                  
.....................      +Arthur Alanzo "A. A." Harris   1914 - 1989   b: June 19, 1914 in Curtis, Arkansas, USA   d: November 16, 1989 in Salinas, Monterey, California, USA      Age at death: 75         
............................   4     Constance Lorene Harris   1941 -   b: August 06, 1941 in Monterey County, California, USA                  
...............................      +Clifford "Lane" Lawless   1931 -   b: August 1931                  
......................................   5     Brett Lawless                        
......................................   5     Brian L Lawless   1961 -   b: 1961                  
.........................................      +Judy A. Purks                        
................................................   6     Melissa Chantel Lawless   1981 -   b: February 23, 1981 in Orange County, California, USA                  
...................................................      +Johnny Jason Huckaby                        
..........................................................   7     daughter Lawless                        
................................................   6     Adam Lawless                        
................................................   6     Celeb Joshua Lawless                        
................................................   6     Julianne Lawless                        
......................................   5     Joni Lawless                        
.........................................      +Hughes                        
............................   4     Cynthia Irene Harris   1948 -   b: August 28, 1948      Age at birth of first child: 21      Age at first Marriage: 20      
...............................      +Vernon D Browning   1947 -   b: December 01, 1947      Age at birth of first child: 22      Age at first Marriage: 21      
......................................   5     Katherine Browning   1970 -   b: May 28, 1970 in Stanislaus County, California, USA                  
.........................................      +Michael W Puck   1969 -   b: May 23, 1969 in San Diego County, California, USA                  
......................................   5     Meredith I Browning   1972 -   b: January 27, 1972                  
.........................................      +Xavier Richard Huerta   1971 -   b: April 26, 1971 in Alameda, California, USA                  
............................   4     Arthur "DeWayne" Harris                        
..................   3     Unknown Cooper                        
.....................      +Pastor Harless                        
........   2     Harvey H Smithson   1878 -   b: January 1878 in Arkansas, USA      Age at birth of first child: 29 est.            
...........      +Brillie E            Age at birth of first child: ?            
..................   3     Josephen Smithson   1907 -   b: Abt. 1907                  
..................   3     Elize B Smithson   1908 -   b: Abt. 1908                  
........   2     Walter Burton Smithson   1883 -   b: 1883                  
........   2     Greenbury Smithson   1890 -   b: 1890                  
........   2     Ollie Elnora Smithson   1892 -   b: 1892                  
........   2     Ella Smithson   1895 -   b: 1895                  
........   2     Maude Smithson   1898 -   b: 1898                  


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 06:11:08 PM
Kinship of Constance Lorene Harris
Name   Relationship with Constance Harris   Civil   Canon
Arner, Chandelle   2nd cousin once removed of the husband      
Browning, Katherine   Niece   III   2
Browning, Meredith I   Niece   III   2
Browning, Vernon D   Brother-in-law      
Burrow, Carly   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Burrow, shelby   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Cates, Alayna   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Cates, Curry   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Cates, Jacci   2nd cousin once removed of the husband      
Cates, Lance   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Cates, Mikayla   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Cates, Rebecca J   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Cooper, Henry Thomas   Great-grandfather   III   3
Cooper, Irene   Mother   I   1
Cooper, John Bailey "Willis"   Grandfather   II   2
Cooper, Unknown   Aunt   III   2
Curry, Sarah Jane   Great-grandmother   III   3
Dicus, Alfred   Grandfather of the husband      
Dicus, David Wilson   Uncle of the husband      
Dicus, Dorothy Elva   Aunt of the husband      
Dicus, Eva Loetta   Aunt of the husband      
Dicus, Everest Alfred   Uncle of the husband      
Dicus, Infant   Aunt/uncle of the husband      
Dicus, Jessie Grace   Mother-in-law      
Dicus, Norbert Frank   Uncle of the husband      
Dodson, Mary E   Great-grandmother   III   3
E, Brillie   Wife of the granduncle      
Ellenberger, Benjamin   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Ellenberger, Jay E   2nd cousin once removed of the husband      
Ellenberger, Kym   2nd cousin once removed of the husband      
Ellenberger, Mathew   2nd cousin twice removed of the husband      
Ganzman, Carel   2nd cousin of the husband      
Ganzman, Carl Everett   1st cousin once removed of the husband      
Ganzman, Frances Elizabeth   1st cousin once removed of the husband      
Ganzman, Hellen G Cladys(?)   1st cousin once removed of the husband      
Ganzman, Kaytie "Georgia"   2nd cousin of the husband      
Ganzman, Sharen   2nd cousin of the husband      
Godfrey, Eva Eliza   Great-grandmother of the husband      
Haight, daughter   1st cousin once removed of the husband      
Haley, Georgia Pearl   1st cousin of the husband      
Harless, Pastor   Husband of the aunt      
Harris, Arthur "DeWayne"   Brother   II   1
Harris, Arthur Alanzo "A. A."   Father   I   1
Harris, Constance Lorene   Self      0
Harris, Cynthia Irene   Sister   II   1
Harris, Nathan   Great-grandfather   III   3
Harris, William Earl   Grandfather   II   2
Huckaby, Johnny Jason   Husband of the granddaughter      
Huerta, Xavier Richard   Husband of the niece      
Hughes   Son-in-law      
Lawless, Adam   Grandson   II   2
Lawless, Agnes Ada   Aunt of the husband      
Lawless, Brett   Son   I   1
Lawless, Brian L   Son   I   1
Lawless, Celeb Joshua   Grandson   II   2
Lawless, Clifford "Lane"   Husband      
Lawless, daughter   Great-granddaughter   III   3
Lawless, George Webster   Father-in-law      
Lawless, Gerald D   1st cousin of the husband      
Lawless, James H "W"   Grandfather of the husband      
Lawless, John Mack   Uncle of the husband      
Lawless, Joni   Daughter   I   1
Lawless, Julianne   Granddaughter   II   2
Lawless, Mabel Pearl   Aunt of the husband      
Lawless, McNealy A. "Mack"   Great-grandfather of the husband      
Lawless, Melissa Chantel   Granddaughter   II   2
Lawless, Paul George   Brother-in-law      
Lawless, Ralph Devere   Uncle of the husband      
Lawless, Richard Birdette   Uncle of the husband      
Lawless, William Bryan   Uncle of the husband      
Lawless, Zina Ellen   Aunt of the husband      
Mahaley   Great-grandmother   III   3
Puck, Michael W   Husband of the niece      
Purks, Judy A.   Daughter-in-law      
Rowland, Nancy Hanse   Grandmother of the husband      
Sanderson, Annie Laura   Grandaunt of the husband      
Sanderson, Beatrice Violet   Grandaunt of the husband      
Sanderson, Clara Myrtle   Grandaunt of the husband      
Sanderson, Daniel Wilson   Great-grandfather of the husband      
Sanderson, Eva "Grace"   Grandaunt of the husband      
Sanderson, Florence Evalena   Grandaunt of the husband      
Sanderson, Gladys Tressa   Grandaunt of the husband      
Sanderson, Kenneth   Granduncle of the husband      
Sanderson, Robert Everett   Granduncle of the husband      
Sanderson, Sarah Edna Lousia Sadie   Grandmother of the husband      
Sloan, Minnie Lucille   Grandmother   II   2
Smithson, Effie Joetta   Grandmother   II   2
Smithson, Elize B   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Smithson, Ella   Grandaunt   IV   3
Smithson, Greenbury   Granduncle   IV   3
Smithson, Harvey H   Granduncle   IV   3
Smithson, John F   Great-grandfather   III   3
Smithson, Josephen   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Smithson, Maude   Grandaunt   IV   3
Smithson, Ollie Elnora   Grandaunt   IV   3
Smithson, Walter Burton   Granduncle   IV   3
Turner, Donald   1st cousin of the husband      
Turner, Lee   1st cousin of the husband      
Turner, Ruth   1st cousin of the husband      


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on June 03, 2009, 07:46:31 PM
Connie & Lane LIVE & Uncensored...
"We knew her from before she was even born..."
http://www.youtube.com/v/gYxyNntfQM0


Are we allowed to talk in this thread? Sorry, if not feel free to delete. Lane's demeanor is just so strange in this video. He is mumbling incoherently, usually a preacher who stands up on Sunday morning and speaks out about god and such is a bit more voiceterous and not usually shy. He seems like he has something going on, maybe he was uncomfortable because he knew MH had done this? To me, it seems like everyone but CL has surrounded MH, what did Blink call it, circling the wagons? After leaving the jail that first time they visited her, her father was speaking up, the aunt had said something, all seemed very determined to proclaim MH's innocence, all but CL. He was leaning up against the wall, just sort of staying out of it. Strange behavior. What if he was trying to stay out of it because he didn't want to be recognized?

What reason would there be for not wanting to stand united and out front with his family.

1. Lane is guilty of helping MH,
2. Lane can't bring himself to support his murdering gd
3. Lane has a condition such as alzheimer's (or whatever)
4. Lane is a shy and withdrawn person
5. Lane didn't want to be recognized
6. Lane felt it was not his place, better for the father
7. Lane was really at the church that day and knew MH was lying

(#7 btw would explain why the family would believe so strongly that Sandra was not murdered in the church.)

I can't think of any other reasons or not even sure if it is relevant. Just seems like strange behavior to me and thought I would think out loud.



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 08:24:19 PM
I have never really looked up the birth records for clifford "Lane" lawless. He is supposedly born august 1931... connie is suppose to be born in 1941... but look at this

U.S. Public Records Index
about Connie Lane Lawless
Name: Connie Lane Lawless
Birth Date: Aug 1931
 
Address: 424 W Beverly Pl, Tracy, California 95376-0701 (1985)
[372 Pinefield Rd, San Jose, California 95134]
[667 Ruby Rd, Livermore, California 94550] 


here is is CONNIE who is born august 1931.  Is this an error.  they have her with cll's birth date and also his middle name, not hers.  did she actually use his middle name and his birthdate? 

and wasn't the pinefield rd address on something I just posted a few days ago?  either in texas thread of with the oregon lawless line.  was it with earl n lawless?  or gary s lawless?  let me go look.

 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 08:37:05 PM
okay here is connies birth certificate, so we have proof of her birthdate

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Constance Lorene Harris
Name: Constance Lorene Harris
Birth Date: 6 Aug 1941
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Cooper 
Birth County: Monterey 


but where is clifford lane lawless birth record?  is that even his real name?  supposedly I found a birthdate of 1931 somewhere, where did that come from?  hmmm gary d lawless missing father is born about 1933  LOL  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 08:41:04 PM
hmmm and livermore is in alameda county. 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 09:28:15 PM


ok july 9 1960 CLL and Connie were married in modesto, stanislaus county california.  this came from the clover road baptist church website early on before they changed the site.
I  thought it weird he was baptised the very same day in washinton.  why would he get baptised in washington and then all the way to modesto, cali the same day and get married? I had thought the date was a mistake on either the baptism date or the marriage date. 

but, why is there no birth record for clifford lane lawless?  why is there no marriage record in california for connie L harris and clifford lane lawless.  it is a confidential marriage?  modesto is in stanislaus county.  CLL was also suppose to have pastored the church there in the airport district. 

Is this even his real name?  I am really beginning to wonder !


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: love4ever on June 03, 2009, 09:51:42 PM
okay here is connies birth certificate, so we have proof of her birthdate

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Constance Lorene Harris
Name: Constance Lorene Harris
Birth Date: 6 Aug 1941
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Cooper 
Birth County: Monterey 


but where is clifford lane lawless birth record?  is that even his real name?  supposedly I found a birthdate of 1931 somewhere, where did that come from?  hmmm gary d lawless missing father is born about 1933  LOL  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


There was time i thought he was him too..LOL


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 10:20:57 PM
we really need to find a birth certificate and marriage license for him.  one thing I notice is there is a ton of clifford first names with the last name of johnson.  another thing that is weird is his mother has two kids.  that is it, that is unusual for then.  she has the two brothers when she is early 20's, then for 25 years she has no more.  that is unbelieveable to me, and why is there no half-siblings after his mother and father are divorced. 

hmm did I find a birth record for his brother paul george?  let me look that up again. 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 10:24:59 PM
this is CLL's brother

Social Security Death Index
about Paul Lawless
Name: Paul Lawless
SSN: 531-30-7260 
Last Residence: 20781  Hyattsville, Prince Georges, Maryland, United States of America
Born: 24 Jan 1927
Died: 26 Mar 1997
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (Before 1951)
 
1930 United States Federal Census
about P George Lawless
Name: P George Lawless
Home in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1926 
Relation to Head-of-house: Son 
Father's Name: George W
Mother's Name: Jessie G
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
George W Lawless 37 
Jessie G Lawless 24 
P George Lawless 3 4/12  
 
 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
LAWLESS, GEORGE PAUL (Age 82)

Associated names:

 LAWLESS, PAUL
 LAWLESS,  G

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 CHEM-TECH AGENCY, INC
 PAUL'S BOOKS
 Available(1) Available BELTSVILLE, MD
HYATTSVILLE, MD
WOODBRIDGE, VA   Possible Roommates / Associates:

HORA, TRILOCHAN S (Age 60)
 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: love4ever on June 03, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
LAWLESS, CLIFFORD LANE (Age 67)

Associated names:

 LAWLESS, LANE C
 LAWLESS, LANE L
 LAWLESS, LANE PASTR
 LAWLOR, LANE


Available
TRACY, CA
SAN JOSE, CA
LIVERMORE, CA    

Possible Relatives:

HUGHES, JONI IRENE (Age 41)
LAWLESS, CLANE (Age 31)
LAWLESS, LANE PASTR
LAWLESS, PSTR LANE
LAWLESS, CONNIE L (Age 67)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CHAMMISA, CHERYL (Age 47)
CHAMMISA, JEFF
MARTINEZ, PORFIRIO



PALERMO, CHERYL L (Age 46)

Associated names:

CAMMISA, CHERYL L
Available   
BUTLER, PA
MAUMEE, OH    

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, GARY LEE (Age 51)
PALERMO, RONALD L (Age 45)

Just putting it out there...Chammisa...
notice the H is missing in the second C(h)ammisa


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 03, 2009, 10:39:57 PM


ok july 9 1960 CLL and Connie were married in modesto, stanislaus county california.  this came from the clover road baptist church website early on before they changed the site.
I  thought it weird he was baptised the very same day in washinton.  why would he get baptised in washington and then all the way to modesto, cali the same day and get married? I had thought the date was a mistake on either the baptism date or the marriage date. 

but, why is there no birth record for clifford lane lawless?  why is there no marriage record in california for connie L harris and clifford lane lawless.  it is a confidential marriage?  modesto is in stanislaus county.  CLL was also suppose to have pastored the church there in the airport district. 

Is this even his real name?  I am really beginning to wonder !
DoubleD...
I'm wonderin' the same darn thing!!!!!
  Lm

PS
Excellent work, as usual DD ::MonkeyCool::
You really  R O C K !!!!!


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 03, 2009, 10:44:20 PM
LAWLESS, CLIFFORD LANE (Age 67)

Associated names:

 LAWLESS, LANE C
 LAWLESS, LANE L
 LAWLESS, LANE PASTR
 LAWLOR, LANE


Available
TRACY, CA
SAN JOSE, CA
LIVERMORE, CA    

Possible Relatives:

HUGHES, JONI IRENE (Age 41)
LAWLESS, CLANE (Age 31)
LAWLESS, LANE PASTR
LAWLESS, PSTR LANE
LAWLESS, CONNIE L (Age 67)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CHAMMISA, CHERYL (Age 47)
CHAMMISA, JEFF
MARTINEZ, PORFIRIO

PALERMO, CHERYL L (Age 46)

Associated names:

CAMMISA, CHERYL L
Available   
BUTLER, PA
MAUMEE, OH    

Possible Relatives:
CAMMISA, GARY LEE (Age 51)
PALERMO, RONALD L (Age 45)

Just putting it out there...Chammisa...
notice the H is missing in the second C(h)ammisa
Something seems odd!
Also, I wonder if this Cheryl is connected to the "owner" Cheryl of Lawless Roofing on Lawless Lane in Grants Pass, OR???


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 10:56:59 PM
U.S. Public Records Index
about Trilochan S Hora
Name: Trilochan S Hora
Birth Date: 1949
Phone Number: 525-2907
Address: 4625 Quimby Av, Beltsville, Maryland 20705-0501 (1993)
[13296 Leafcrest Ln #C, Fairfax, Virginia 22033-0201 (1990)]
[700 N Frederick St, Arlington, Virginia 22203] 
 
interestinga t the leafcrest address(although this is most likely an apt complex) there is shadowen(no "s" on the end though) shadowens is in the texas line. gary dee lawless' mother betty sue shadowens.  Probably nothing, but making a note.

Possible Relatives:

SHADOWEN, WALTER VANCE (Age 45)
CORTEZ, CURTIS D (Age 50)
WEISSMAN, JULIE A (Age 43)


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
oh you mean cheryl bacon or beacon or whatever her name is?  I wondered that also LOL
I had looked up a lot of camissa etc info in the beginning, I'm not sure if I posted it or not.  If so it should be on the LONG thread somewhere LOL.  Maybe I can find something.  but what gets me is no records for clifford lane lawless.  just people call him that or he is at addresses with that name, but NO DOCUMENTS.  weird


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 11:06:02 PM
also he is suppose to be at the clarkston/lewiston church and he is on no records there either.  and just because his brother is on miliatry records with the lawless name, does not mean he is a lawless at all.  I have seen people on military records under names that are different than there birth records.  same with SS# records, back then they can be wrong.  You could sign up for ss card under a name not yours, and you could put whatever name when joining the military.  I have seen it happen.  maybe he was born under another name?  maybe george lawless and jessie dicus was not his real parents? 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 11:23:52 PM
now connie's brother said he has known cll since the 1950's.  was that after cll got out of school? if cll is born in 1931 then he should be out of school by 1950.  so did he change his name after he got out of school? 

another thing that seemed weird to me is.  connie is 10 years younger than cll.  IF they did get married in 1960, she is 18 in july 1960 almost 19.  he is 29.  if he gets baptized on the day they are married, do the parents approve of her dating a guy the much older who is not part of their church? according to the brother they had known him for 10 years by the time they got married.  he grew up with his step mother who was catholic, so he was not raised in the baptist church, unless his real mother was part of it? And I remember before that brian was born less than 9 months after they were married, so they must have been "dating" before getting married.  Not that I care what they do, I don't, but it would seem this family being as "religious" as they are, would not like this going on.  not that any of this matters but I am just trying to get some kind of idea what these people are like and how CLL got connected up with them?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 11:26:29 PM
one more thing, CLL was 29 when he is married.  so could he have been married before this under some other name? does he have other children by someone else?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 03, 2009, 11:37:22 PM
This Cheryl Bacon is listed with the CLL church and with Lawless Roofing -- if I recall, as resident agent and/or an officer with both.  Who is this woman?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 03, 2009, 11:40:10 PM
And not to be a pain in the you know what -- Richard Birdette Lawless (uncle of CLL) had a son John who married a ? Shutt and had 4 children and also married Wilma Toots Holt.  Never did figure out John.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 03, 2009, 11:52:28 PM
Name: Jeff A Cammisa
Birth Date: 1960
Address: 962 Mary Jane Av, Patterson, California 95363-0401 (1987)
[300 W Central Av #2206, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)]
[812 W Clover Rd, Tracy, California 95376] 

patterson is just southwest of tracy and modesto. 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on June 03, 2009, 11:59:59 PM
It appears CL is the reason for a lot of the big questions.

List of unanswered questions:
1. birth record
2. milatary record
3. why and how would he be friends with a boy 10 years younger (that was mine, lol)
4. two places at the same time (washington being baptised and california getting married)
5. minister after 4 months of studying
6. people associated with him. (connie, his mom, his dad)

Please add to this list if I missed anything. I think if we answer these questions we will be able to link things. That time line really says a lot. It is like they made up this history. If there is no milatary record, maybe he was somewhere else? did anyone defect during the korean war? Where would they go? Canada? Where is his brother? Maybe he is his brother and assumed the name Clifford? How old was his brother? Has a side by side comparison of CL and his brother been done?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 12:00:45 AM
I don't know who this is but they are in tracy and they are born in alameda

Name: Vincent J Cammisa
Birth Date: Nov 1956
Address: 2765 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0601 (1993)
[2767 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1992)]
[812 Clover Rd #54, Tracy, California 95376] 


Name: Vincent J Cammisa
Birth Date: Jan 1957
Address: 2765 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0401 (1987)
[812 Clover #54, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1985)]
[7459 Burnham WY, Dublin, California 94568] 


Name: Vincent J Cammisa
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1956
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Smith 
Birth County: Alameda 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 12:05:44 AM
Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005
about Vincent Cammisa
Name: Vincent Cammisa
Gender: Male 
Residence state: California 
Spouse: Susan Ellen Wolter
Spouse residence state: California 
Marriage Date: 6 Aug 1978
Marriage city: Reno 
Officiant type: Civil celebrant 
Recorded date: 15 Aug 1978
Recorded city: Reno 
Book: 668 
Page: -295 
 
_____________________________

Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005
about Vincent James Cammisa
Name: Vincent James Cammisa
Gender: Male 
Residence state: California 
Spouse: Patricia Gressmann
Spouse residence state: California 
Marriage Date: 6 Mar 2003
Marriage County: Clark 
Officiant type: Religious celebrant 
Recorded date: 21 Mar 2003
Recorded county: Clark 
Book: 321 
Page: D534379 
Instrument number: 76595 
 
____________________________________



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 12:06:08 AM
Name: Roberta L Cammisa
Birth Date: Jan 1957
Address: 2765 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0501 (1993)
[2767 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1992)]
[812 Clover #54, Tracy, California 95376] 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 12:14:28 AM
who the heck are all these cammisa people listed with cll at the trailer park?

Name: S Cammisa
Birth Date: 1960
Address: 962 Mary Jane Av, Patterson, California 95363-0601 (1987)
[300 W Central Av #2206, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)]
[812 W Clover Rd #12, Tracy, California 95376] 


Name: Sherly A Cammisa
Birth Date: Jun 1962
Address: 300 W Central Av, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)
[812 W Clover Rd, Tracy, California 95376-0901 (1984)]
[6819 Ash CT, Dublin, California 94568] 


(209) 830-6036


(209) 830-6036
  MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA
 

TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, ROBERTA (Age 25)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA 



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 12:18:02 AM
1930 United States Federal Census
about J H Cammisa
Name: J H Cammisa
Home in 1930: Spokane, Spokane, Washington
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 
Birthplace: Canada 
Relation to Head-of-house: Head 
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
J H Cammisa 60 
Elizabeth Cammisa 61 
 
 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2009, 12:41:13 AM
who the heck are all these cammisa people listed with cll at the trailer park?

Name: S Cammisa
Birth Date: 1960
Address: 962 Mary Jane Av, Patterson, California 95363-0601 (1987)
[300 W Central Av #2206, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)]
[812 W Clover Rd #12, Tracy, California 95376] 


Name: Sherly A Cammisa
Birth Date: Jun 1962
Address: 300 W Central Av, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)
[812 W Clover Rd, Tracy, California 95376-0901 (1984)]
[6819 Ash CT, Dublin, California 94568] 


(209) 830-6036


(209) 830-6036
  MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA
 

TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, ROBERTA (Age 25)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA 



DD is the addresses without the year next to it the most recent address associated with that person?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2009, 12:48:01 AM
OK, you may all call me crazy.  DD, your post here #7 was the birth certi. of a Connie Lane Lawless.  You don't suppose Clifford is this Connie do you?  Remember that old song about a boy called Sue? (yeah, a Johnny Cash fan).  Just a thought, I know, I hit my head really hard. :2brickwall:
Good night all. :smt015


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2009, 01:06:01 AM
OK, you may all call me crazy.  DD, your post here #7 was the birth certi. of a Connie Lane Lawless.  You don't suppose Clifford is this Connie do you?  Remember that old song about a boy called Sue? (yeah, a Johnny Cash fan).  Just a thought, I know, I hit my head really hard. :2brickwall:
Good night all. :smt015

Please see the oregon post. Could CL be a missing child in the lawless oregon line of Lawless roofing?

Sister I had thought that too at one time!


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 02:13:32 PM
who the heck are all these cammisa people listed with cll at the trailer park?

Name: S Cammisa
Birth Date: 1960
Address: 962 Mary Jane Av, Patterson, California 95363-0601 (1987)
[300 W Central Av #2206, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)]
[812 W Clover Rd #12, Tracy, California 95376] 


Name: Sherly A Cammisa
Birth Date: Jun 1962
Address: 300 W Central Av, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)
[812 W Clover Rd, Tracy, California 95376-0901 (1984)]
[6819 Ash CT, Dublin, California 94568] 


(209) 830-6036


(209) 830-6036
  MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA
 

TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, ROBERTA (Age 25)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA 



DD is the addresses without the year next to it the most recent address associated with that person?

it is very hard to say which addresses are the most recent or if the dates on these things are correct.  Most of these databases have incorrect info at times, especially with dates the people are living at the addresses.  sometimes they also will put the age of one persoon in the household  as being the age of someoe else in the household.  this happens a lot so you really have to use these things as a GUIDE and make sure you compare them with other records


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
OK, you may all call me crazy.  DD, your post here #7 was the birth certi. of a Connie Lane Lawless.  You don't suppose Clifford is this Connie do you?  Remember that old song about a boy called Sue? (yeah, a Johnny Cash fan).  Just a thought, I know, I hit my head really hard. :2brickwall:
Good night all. :smt015

LOL, anything is possible, anything is.  but like I just stated about the dates used as to when people live at a specific address, that they can be off, so can all the names.  say connie and "lane" signed up for their utilities at a certain house, it might end up on some paper as connie lane instead of connie AND lane, so then it goes into the database as connie lane lawless.  or if the run the initials into the name such as if he used C lane lawless instead of clifford lane lawless, and someone writes the C close to the world lane, you end up with clane lawless.  so again, these databases are really good to use as a guide as to who to look for where with whom, but they are not "gospel", you have to then go search for the actually documents, which those can be inccorect also.  but it is the best we have to go by.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 04, 2009, 02:43:12 PM
oh you mean cheryl bacon or beacon or whatever her name is?  I wondered that also LOL
I had looked up a lot of camissa etc info in the beginning, I'm not sure if I posted it or not.  If so it should be on the LONG thread somewhere LOL.  Maybe I can find something.  but what gets me is no records for clifford lane lawless.  just people call him that or he is at addresses with that name, but NO DOCUMENTS.  weird

This is kind of out of the blue... ::MonkeyTongue::
But do you suppose he could have an ties with the Freemasons or IOOF (like the cemetery across the street from 501 Lawless lane)?
My grandfather was a Mason and I can find very, very little info about him and I can't figure out WHY!  It reminds me of the dead ends we find here with CLL constantly.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 04, 2009, 04:31:16 PM
oh you mean cheryl bacon or beacon or whatever her name is?  I wondered that also LOL
I had looked up a lot of camissa etc info in the beginning, I'm not sure if I posted it or not.  If so it should be on the LONG thread somewhere LOL.  Maybe I can find something.  but what gets me is no records for clifford lane lawless.  just people call him that or he is at addresses with that name, but NO DOCUMENTS.  weird

This is kind of out of the blue... ::MonkeyTongue::
But do you suppose he could have an ties with the Freemasons or IOOF (like the cemetery across the street from 501 Lawless lane)?
My grandfather was a Mason and I can find very, very little info about him and I can't figure out WHY!  It reminds me of the dead ends we find here with CLL constantly.

its possible, but... remember he does not talk to anyone, not other churches, etc, this is a very cliqueish(spelling) bunch of weirdos really LOL.  I doubt his church would approve at all if he were a mason.  at the least I would doubt they want that known.  they think other churches should be avoided so it would seem they would also think the masons should be avoided.  but that does not mean he does things they do not know about or that they all do but keep it hidden.  it happens all the time. 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2009, 05:16:43 PM
was there a Cheryl A. Gomes? or did I dream it? :smt017


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: love4ever on June 05, 2009, 09:35:23 AM
DD, There is no birthdate for Brett Lawless?-CLL son, brians brother?

And one more question, there is a name Sanderson, Sarah Edna Lousia Sadie   Grandmother of the husband -could you please explain the relation to CLL or Connie, I need help with this..lol

And Joni Hughes, who does she belong too?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2009, 11:06:14 AM
Sadie Sanderson is the grandmother of Clifford Lane Lawless.
Joni Lawless Hughes is the daughter of Clifford and Connie.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 05, 2009, 12:48:54 PM
DD, There is no birthdate for Brett Lawless?-CLL son, brians brother?

And one more question, there is a name Sanderson, Sarah Edna Lousia Sadie   Grandmother of the husband -could you please explain the relation to CLL or Connie, I need help with this..lol

And Joni Hughes, who does she belong too?

Actually iirc, Joni Irene (Lawless) Hughes is Connie and Lane's daughter...
That's why I was wondering about Julianne?  WHo is she?  Are they the same person?
This is Joni Hughes
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/scjonihughesmhaunt.jpg)
This is the Lawless Clan (Connie, Lane, Joni, Brian, Brett, and co.)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/sctheproudhuckabitchfamily.jpg)


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2009, 01:21:46 PM
Julieanne is the daughter of Brian and Judy Lawless. Brian is the son of Clifford Lane Lawless and Connie Lorene Lawless.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 05, 2009, 01:33:53 PM
was there a Cheryl A. Gomes? or did I dream it? :smt017

I had found a cherl a gomes in the shasta county / redding cali, court docs.  jeffrey gomes was also listed on some other docs in that court house, as was his mother, and his 2 brothers gary duane and timothy john are listed in shasta county records under the lawless name.  They lived all over shasta county and tehema(the next county south).  So they are in both these counties court docs.  this cheryl a gomes was in the shasta county court docs with some bank or something, so I had made a note of it, and had mentioned could she be cheryl bacon.  I never did check to see.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 05, 2009, 01:39:29 PM
yes sister is correct on all of the relationships.

sarah sadie sanderson married alfred dicus,
their daughter is jessie dicus
who is the mother of CLL

the article about the reunion of the 6 sanderson sisters
there is one who married ganzman, who came with her grandson gary
I still have not figured out which gary that is.  I had worked on it but got sidetracked


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2009, 01:56:58 PM
was there a Cheryl A. Gomes? or did I dream it? :smt017

I had found a cherl a gomes in the shasta county / redding cali, court docs.  jeffrey gomes was also listed on some other docs in that court house, as was his mother, and his 2 brothers gary duane and timothy john are listed in shasta county records under the lawless name.  They lived all over shasta county and tehema(the next county south).  So they are in both these counties court docs.  this cheryl a gomes was in the shasta county court docs with some bank or something, so I had made a note of it, and had mentioned could she be cheryl bacon.  I never did check to see.
She (Cheryl Bacon) is listed as an officer/agent for both the Tracy Church and Lawless Roofing.  Maybe working in a bank is her only connection, although I wonder from whence she hails.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: love4ever on June 05, 2009, 02:13:36 PM
DD, There is no birthdate for Brett Lawless?-CLL son, brians brother?

And one more question, there is a name Sanderson, Sarah Edna Lousia Sadie   Grandmother of the husband -could you please explain the relation to CLL or Connie, I need help with this..lol

And Joni Hughes, who does she belong too?


Actually iirc, Joni Irene (Lawless) Hughes is Connie and Lane's daughter...
That's why I was wondering about Julianne?  WHo is she?  Are they the same person?
This is Joni Hughes
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/scjonihughesmhaunt.jpg)
This is the Lawless Clan (Connie, Lane, Joni, Brian, Brett, and co.)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/sctheproudhuckabitchfamily.jpg)


Well that helped, there went my theory!..LOL ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 05, 2009, 04:57:06 PM
was there a Cheryl A. Gomes? or did I dream it? :smt017

I had found a cherl a gomes in the shasta county / redding cali, court docs.  jeffrey gomes was also listed on some other docs in that court house, as was his mother, and his 2 brothers gary duane and timothy john are listed in shasta county records under the lawless name.  They lived all over shasta county and tehema(the next county south).  So they are in both these counties court docs.  this cheryl a gomes was in the shasta county court docs with some bank or something, so I had made a note of it, and had mentioned could she be cheryl bacon.  I never did check to see.
She (Cheryl Bacon) is listed as an officer/agent for both the Tracy Church and Lawless Roofing.  Maybe working in a bank is her only connection, although I wonder from whence she hails.

the record I found in shasta county, was about her and some lawsuit or deed or something to do with some bank, let me go find it

cheryl bacon is on the national roofing docs?
hmmm I did not know that


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2009, 07:11:49 PM
don't know how to post between threads -- check out post #1000 on Blink orig and she is listed on the church records as well.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2009, 07:16:47 PM
Lawless Roofing Inc
501 Lawless Ln
Grants Pass, OR 97526-7101
(541) 479-1839
Listing Details
Job title: unavailable


Cheryl Bacon
501 Lawless Ln
Grants Pass, OR 97526-7101
(541) 479-1839
Listing Details
Job title: Owner

 
Robert Burns
501 Lawless Ln
Grants Pass, OR 97526-7101
(541) 479-1839
Listing Details
Job title: Vice President

Donald Lawless
501 Lawless Ln
Grants Pass, OR 97526-7101
(541) 479-1839
Listing Details
Job title: Treasurer


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2009, 07:20:43 PM
sorry, don't know how to "bump" or whatever it's called.

LAWLESS, DONALD THOMAS (Age 54)

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

LAWLESS ROOFING, INC
 SADDLE MOUNTAIN CATTLE COMPANY
 MONMOUTH, OR
KLAMATH FALLS, OR
GRANTS PASS, OR
DALLAS, OR
CHEMULT, OR
AGNESS, OR

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, LEWIS EDWIN (Age 77)  here is an older name to run
LAWLESS, MARLENE L (Age 52)
LAWLESS, BARBARA MAE (Age 73)
LAWLESS, JESSICA LOUISE (Age 32)
LAWLESS, JOSEPH LEWIS (Age 30)
LAWLESS, JOE L (Age 30)
LAWLESS, LENE
LAWLESS, IS E
LAWLESS, JOSEPH L

Possible Roommates / Associates:

LAWLESS, DON T
BACON, CHERYL




.  LAWLESS, DONALD
 GRANTS PASS, OR

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, GRACE M (Age 105)
LAWLESS, HAROLD MICHAEL (Age 68)
LAWLESS, MARLENE 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
My last one for a while, I promise:

LAWLESS ROOFING, INC
Grants pass, OR       
LAWLESS, DON
(REGISTERED AGENT)
LAWLESS, DONALD T
(SECRETARY)
LAWLESS, LEWIS E
(PRESIDENT)


Lewis E Lawless
Oct 1950
[Aug 1956] 

3074 Foothill Bv, Grants Pass, Oregon 97526-1101 (1986)
Lewis Lawless
3074 Foothill Blvd
Grants Pass
Oregon
97526-4130
541-476-1146
1996 1997 1998 1999
____________________________________

LAWLESS, DONALD THOMAS (Age 54)
 
 Possible Employment / Business Associations:
 
LAWLESS ROOFING, INC
 SADDLE MOUNTAIN CATTLE COMPANY
 
LAWLESS, DONALD THOMAS (Age 54)
 
 Possible Employment / Business Associations:
 
 LAWLESS ROOFING, INC
 SADDLE MOUNTAIN CATTLE COMPANY   
MONMOUTH, OR
KLAMATH FALLS, OR
GRANTS PASS, OR
DALLAS, OR
CHEMULT, OR
AGNESS, OR   

Possible Relatives:
 
LAWLESS, LEWIS EDWIN (Age 77)
LAWLESS, MARLENE L (Age 52)
LAWLESS, BARBARA MAE (Age 73)
LAWLESS, JESSICA LOUISE (Age 32)
LAWLESS, JOSEPH LEWIS (Age 30)
LAWLESS, JOE L (Age 30)
LAWLESS, LENE
LAWLESS, IS E
LAWLESS, JOSEPH L
 
Possible Roommates / Associates:
 
LAWLESS, DON T
BACON, CHERYL who is this
____________________________
 
could cheryl bacon be cheryl gomes, I need to look

GOMES, CHERYL A      MCRDCVG -09-0000657      DF      04/13/2009
                   
   All Parties      Case No      Party      Date
   GOMES, CHERYL A      MCRDCVG -09-0000657      DF      04/13/2009
   TARGET NATIONAL BANK      MCRDCVG -09-0000657      PL      04/13/2009

____________________________________________________


GOMES, GARY D
 
 Associated names:
 
 LAWLESS,  GARY
 
   
MANTON, CA tehema county but really is considered redding area
ROCHESTER, WA    hmm washington addressPossible Relatives:
 
GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44)
GOMES, MARYLIN E (Age 71) the mother of the 3 boys
___________________________

redding, shasta county
DEED
Grantors:   Grantees:
STALTER, TINA BERESFORD   GOMES, GARY D

DEED OF TRUST & ASSIGNMENT OF RENTS
Grantors:   Grantees:
GOMES, GARY D   STALTER, TINA BERESFORD who is this


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 05, 2009, 10:05:56 PM
You've been busy Sister... ::MonkeyCool::
I gotta catch up...
Good stuff!
 Lm


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: love4ever on June 16, 2009, 05:25:39 AM
I think I will come back to this again, tomorrow..lol

I want to is any of Robert Alton Harris's (executed) family is related. there are some relations that were supposedly to have resided in Visalia, California, which is the San Joaquin Valley?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 20, 2009, 09:25:41 PM
I think I will come back to this again, tomorrow..lol

I want to is any of Robert Alton Harris's (executed) family is related. there are some relations that were supposedly to have resided in Visalia, California, which is the San Joaquin Valley?

visalia is pretty far south of san joaquin county, it is in tulare county


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 23, 2009, 01:52:24 AM
Love posted this in another thread

This kinda makes me sick!

What's in a name? Turns out, a lot
A candidate's listed career can sometimes affect voter perception
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David Siders
By David Siders
Record Staff Writer
March 26, 2006 6:00 AM

STOCKTON - A so-called "business owner" running for election to the Stockton City Council does not own a business, a "children's issues advisor" helps people at church, and an "entrepreneur" works for an affiliate of Amway.

It's not truth in advertising. Maybe one or the other.

In down-ticket races, ballot designations such as homemaker, attorney or incumbent are often all voters know about a candidate. Election Day hopefuls, therefore, must make excruciating decisions about exactly who they are.

"It affects the outcome of the election," Sacramento-based political consultant Wayne Johnson said.

The state prohibits laudatory designations such as "honest," "eminent," "exalted" or "best," but a carefully chosen title - some candidates even poll likely voters to determine what sounds best - can connote everything from grounded and hard-working (farmer) to faithful and wise (minister).

If neither of those choices fit, businessman is popular, suggesting responsibility and enterprise. Teacher is good, too.

"What is not so good is slip-and-fall attorney or ambulance chaser," said Robert Stern, president of the Center for Governmental Studies in Los Angeles.

In her ballot designation for re-election to the Stockton City Council, Leslie Baranco Martin calls herself a deputy district attorney, forgoing the typically advantageous designation of incumbent.

Martin's decision not to call herself a councilwoman is rare, said Stern, who reviewed numerous ballot designations for the secretary of state in the early 1970s. Rare, but not unheard of. Councilmen Nick Rust and Mel Panizza didn't boast of their incumbencies in 1990 and 1992, respectively. They both picked business-type titles instead, according to city records. Both succeeded.

Martin, who went with "Appointed Incumbent" in 2002, said she changed course because crime is on voters' minds.

She said: "It was kind of like, what message do you want to send?"

Martin's opponent, Carole Murphy, doesn't understand the incumbent's choice, and she guessed Martin was trying to distance herself from a council that saw the crime rate increase under its watch. Murphy's campaign consultant, Jeff Acquistapace, said the designation is a sign Martin is "running from her record."

But Murphy's designation raised eyebrows, too. Murphy calls herself a "business owner;" never mind she sold her business last year. The law allows candidates to print on the ballot what they did the previous year. Murphy owned M&C Association Management Services Inc., which manages homeowners associations, before selling it to industry giant Associa in October.

Murphy, who still runs the company, said starting and owning the business for 15 years is the credential her ballot designation touts. She still owns some stock in that company, as well as others, she explained.

"I own lots of businesses," she said. "I own lots of stocks and bonds."

Martin campaign consultant Don Parsons said any candidate using that logic and holding stock in a mutual fund could make such a "ridiculous" claim.

Publicly, no candidate in San Joaquin County has made such a claim, although there are other self-described business owners, even a "small business owner."

Way down ticket, in an uncontested race for a seat on the San Joaquin County Republican Central Committee, voters will find Mary Park, entrepreneur, and Connie Lawless, who fretted about calling herself "Children's Issues Advisor." She said in retrospect the title sounds more authoritative than she intended. Lawless, a retiree who helps children at her church and in her neighborhood, said if she could pick again she'd likely choose "homemaker."

In a contested race, where voters want an occupation with some gravitas, that might not be good, Stern said.

"Businessperson or farmer would be great. Doctor. Minister," he said. "Lawyer, not so great; student, not good; unemployed, really bad; homeless, terrible."

Contact reporter David Siders at (209) 943-8580 or dsiders@recordnet.com
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Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 24, 2009, 01:04:35 AM
Connie Lawless, who fretted about calling herself "Children's Issues Advisor." She said in retrospect the title sounds more authoritative than she intended. Lawless, a retiree who helps children at her church and in her neighborhood, said if she could pick again she'd likely choose "homemaker."

who is she "advising", and what kind of "issues".

what children at her church is she "helping"?  she certainly is not doing a very good job helping melissa, melissa's daughter, her supposedly son, or anyone.  How many children are at her church?

and she surely didn't do anything if she saw something weird going on with sandra at her house.  Maybe I am wrong in saying these things but I just can't picture her as advising anyone about children's issues.   


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on June 24, 2009, 01:10:45 AM
DD, it frightens me to think what kind of advisor she might really be.
 :smt093


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 24, 2009, 12:41:59 PM
Connie Lawless, who fretted about calling herself "Children's Issues Advisor." She said in retrospect the title sounds more authoritative than she intended. Lawless, a retiree who helps children at her church and in her neighborhood, said if she could pick again she'd likely choose "homemaker."

who is she "advising", and what kind of "issues".

what children at her church is she "helping"?  she certainly is not doing a very good job helping melissa, melissa's daughter, her supposedly son, or anyone.  How many children are at her church?

and she surely didn't do anything if she saw something weird going on with sandra at her house.  Maybe I am wrong in saying these things but I just can't picture her as advising anyone about children's issues.   

Hmmm
Sounds like it's possible that Connie could have been bringing in children for pedophiles...


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on June 24, 2009, 05:05:57 PM
Children's Issued Advisor.  Is that like the CIA ?   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 25, 2009, 12:37:15 PM
California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about Cynthia I Harris
Name: Cynthia I Harris  sister of Connie Lorene Lawless/nee HarrisAge: 20 
Est. Birth: abt 1949 
Spouse Name: Vernon D Browning  
Spouse Age: 21 
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1948 
Date: 9 May 1969
Location: Merced 

cynthia Browning is the agent for the National Roofing company (tracy), on which CLL is also listed
 



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 25, 2009, 01:06:57 PM
Michael Puck must be married to Katherine F Browning or something -

PUCK, MICHAEL E (Age 39)

Associated names:
 PACK,  MICHAEL
 PUCK, MERLIN
 PUCK, MIKE
 PUCK, MICHAEL W
 Available(6) Available ENCINITAS, CA
RENO, NV
MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA
LONG BEACH, CA Possible Relatives:

BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
PUCK, MARGARET W (Age 109)
PUCK, MARGARET W (Age 69)
PUCK, STEVEN O (Age 42)
PUCK, CHRIS L (Age 37)
PUCK, 1995 TRUST
PUCK, KATHRINE
Possible Roommates / Associates:
FERRARA, KEITH JOHN (Age 40)
NICOLOSI, DENNIS JOHN (Age 39)
...................
Michael E Puck home
726 Virginia Ave
Modesto, CA 95354-0142
(209) 578-4564
Listing Details
Age: 35-39
Household: Kathrine F Puck

Michael W Puck home
2800 Braden Ave, Apt 122
Modesto, CA 95356-0677
(209) 578-4564

These name changes etc are  ::MonkeyConfused::  I wonder what all this means?????  Do you suppose they are manufacturing fake id's and that's why we keep finding so many names.  Geez!!!???!!!

it appears katherine browning(which I am guessing is the daughter or cynthia browning'/nee harris/sister of Connie harris/nee lawless) is marrying michael puck.  I am familiar with the 2800 braden apts in modesto from another case, so I know that is apts.  a huge complex.

but there are a bunch of williams  at the virgina address with them, wonder if any of these williams are related to FRED from the church?

726 VIRGINIA MODESTO, CA


ENCINITAS, CA
RENO, NV
MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA
LONG BEACH, CA

Possible Relatives:

BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
PUCK, MARGARET W (Age 109)
PUCK, MARGARET W (Age 69)
PUCK, STEVEN O (Age 42)
PUCK, CHRIS L (Age 37)
PUCK, 1995 TRUST
PUCK, KATHRINE

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FERRARA, KEITH JOHN (Age 40)
NICOLOSI, DENNIS JOHN (Age 39)
MODESTO, CA
SALIDA, CA about 6 miles north of modesto, they run into one another

 Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, SHARON GRACE (Age 44)
WILLIAMS, ROBERT E (Age 65)
WILLIAMS, TONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, BOB
WILLIAMS, ROSS A (Age 22)
WILLIAMS, ANTHONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, MISTY


 MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, BONITA L (Age 63)
WILLIAMS, ROBERT E (Age 65)
WILLIAMS, TONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, BOB
WILLIAMS, ROSS A (Age 22)
WILLIAMS, ANTHONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, MISTY



TURLOCK, CA
CERES, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

LUNDELL, JOANN FAYE (Age 38)
FIKSE, ALFREAD (Age 88)
FIKSE, FAYP



 TURLOCK, CA vernon d browning born here, father of katherine I believe, he married sister of connie lawless / nee harris, her sister is Irene harris.
CERES, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

LUNDELL, JOANN FAYE (Age 38)
FIKSE, FAYE (Age 87)
FIKSE, FAYP
 


 OROVILLE, WA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, BONITA L (Age 63)
WILLIAMS, SHARON GRACE (Age 44)
WILLIAMS, ROBERT E (Age 65)
WILLIAMS, BOB
WILLIAMS, ROSS A (Age 22)
WILLIAMS, ANTHONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, S (Age 44)
WILLIAMS, MISTY
WILLIAMS, SHARON GRACE (Age 42)


 MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, SHARON GRACE (Age 44)
WILLIAMS, BONITA L (Age 63)
WILLIAMS, TONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, ANTHONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, MISTY
 

 MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

PUCK, MICHAEL E (Age 39)
OROVILLE, WA this is up close to canadian border, apple country
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, SHARON GRACE (Age 44)
WILLIAMS, BONITA L (Age 63)
WILLIAMS, TONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, ROSS A (Age 22)
WILLIAMS, S (Age 44)
WILLIAMS, MISTY
WILLIAMS, ROSS
WILLIAMS, BONITA L (Age 66)
WILLIAMS, ROBERT E (Age 68)



 MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, SHARON GRACE (Age 44)
WILLIAMS, BONITA L (Age 63)
WILLIAMS, TONY E (Age 46)
WILLIAMS, ROSS A (Age 22)
WILLIAMS, ANTHONY E (Age 46) 



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 25, 2009, 01:07:56 PM
I did a google map search for that area around the tracy inn and I see just on the other side of the parking lot there is a tatoo parlor, a flower shop and above that is VBR child services, a foster care agency http://www.vbrfoundationinc.org/



I wonder why these numbers with no address seem to keep pointing there.  ::MonkeyEek::
I don't know, what are all the names? Remember Connie Lawless is said to be a foster parent? That is what I think her brother said, she has never spanked or whatever one of the foster kids? This is a private type of foster care agency, not government. It has a non profit status. I believe they specialize in children with special needs as well as at risk youth.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 25, 2009, 01:08:36 PM
okay 
Katherine F Browning is the daughter of Cynthia Irene Harris and Vernon D Browning
Cynthia Irene Harris is the sister Connie harris who married CLL
Cynthina married Vernon D Browning

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Kathrine F Browning
Name: Kathrine F Browning  
Birth Date: 28 May 1970
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Harris 
Birth County: Stanislaus 

I'm looking for the marriage now to michael puck... I am guessing she married him
 






Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 27, 2009, 11:16:19 PM
I hadn't read this particular article before ...
There were several interesting parts I bolded but worth the overall read...
Snipped:
http://**/ci_12266036 (http://**/ci_12266036)


Grandmother of Cantu suspect stands behind family, church
By Paula King
San Joaquin Herald
Posted: 04/30/2009 12:00:00 AM PDT
Updated: 05/01/2009 10:08:17 AM PDT

DeWayne Harris of Salinas, Calif., talks about the Baptist history during the Clover Road...

   
TRACY — While her granddaughter is jailed on murder charges, Connie Lawless is staying strong in her Baptist faith and stands firmly by the character of her church and family.

The Lawless family and the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy have faced dark times during the investigation into the kidnapping, rape and slaying of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu — from news reports that the girl was killed at the church to suspicions cast on pastor Lane Lawless and the April 10 arrest of his granddaughter, Melissa Huckaby.

Connie Lawless, in a telephone interview, denied all accusations.

"There is no pattern of anything like that," she said. "There has never been a hint of any kind of scandal," she said. "We are open people. Our church is open and friendly and lively. We don't have anything to hide."

While Connie and Lane Lawless are in Southern California with family and friends, their tiny, close-knit congregation gathered in the sparsely decorated church Wednesday night for regular midweek services. As the murder investigation continues to singe the airwaves and keep the church and Tracy in the national media's attention, worshipers sang hymns of finding strength in life's trials — the members' booming voices filling the modest building.

Connie Lawless' brother, the Rev. DeWayne Harris, came from Salinas to give a spirited sermon on how Baptists struggle to preserve the truth and how the national media spotlight has rocked their little church.

"Knowing the history of this Tracy church, I know this is your darkest hour, but I'm going to talk about light," he said. "I hope that through this tragedy that God gets the attention of not only Tracy, but the nation."

He spoke harshly of what he called false media reports on the case, and he said he felt sorry for the likes of news commentators Nancy Grace and Dan Rather.

Recent news reports have linked Lane Lawless to an FBI investigation into old child abuse claims at a church in rural Washington. The pastor's wife maintains that he has only led California congregations. He's been at Clover Road, established in 1955, since the early 80s.

"Lane is the last person on the Earth that you would ever suspect of abusing anyone," she says, describing him as trustworthy, hardworking and strong.

Lawless also denies media reports that Huckaby was ever molested, abused or involved in serious crime, and she would not confirm whether Huckaby has suffered from depression.

"I look at her and look at my family, and they never have done drugs or alcohol or anything," Lawless said.

She described Huckaby as a "dutiful and involved" mother who seldom left the mobile home she shared with her grandparents, who lived a few doors from the slain girl. When she did go out, her 5-year-old daughter was with her. Huckaby monitored what her daughter watched on TV and with whom she played.

Lawless said she and her husband provided a support system for Huckaby, who was divorced several years ago and had financial problems. And she helped them as well, Lawless said.

"They were a delight. She (Huckaby's daughter) just kept us in stitches," she said. "Her mother doted on her, and she on her mom."

The extended family remains rooted in their Christian faith, Lawless said. Huckaby's parents, Brian and Judy Lawless, remain involved in the church in Orange County, where Melissa Huckaby was born and raised, and their younger children, two boys, are a U.S. Marine and EMT/college student.

"We are all respectful of one another and think a lot of one another. It is like we teach our children that, and they teach their children that," Harris said. "Melissa has always been very respectful of me."

Lawless describes her oldest grandchild as kind, sweet, quiet and good with children.

They've had an outpouring of support letters and prayers from across the nation and have no plans to close the church. Despite numerous FBI and police searches, many congregation members do not believe Sandra was killed there.

The Clover Road church has about 30 membersLawless family relatives, area school teachers and multigenerational families. Members come from Tracy, Lathrop, Turlock and Modesto.

Members say they like the intimacy of a small congregation. Like other independent Baptist churches, Clover Road is conservative and autonomous.

Church member Cynthia Browning of Manteca, Connie's Lawless' sister, said the absence of Huckaby and her daughter, who is with family in Southern California, have been noticeable. The church prayed for her during the service.

"God can bring good out of bad circumstances," Browning said. "God's work can transcend evil."


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 05:15:22 PM
This is Joni Irene Hughes...Connie & Lane's daughter

1.    HUGHES,�JONI�IRENE (Age 41)

Associated names:

�HUGHES,�JONI�E
�LAWLESS,�JONI�I
   Available(5)    Available    WHITTIER,�CA
PALMDALE,�CA
LAWNDALE,�CA
RIALTO,�CA
TORRANCE,�CA
TRACY,�CA
HAWTHORNE,�CA    

Possible Relatives:

HUGHES,�JOHN�PHILIP�(Age�47)
HUGHES,�JEAN�MARIE�(Age�67)
HUGHES,�JULIE�MAE�(Age�45)
HUGHES,�JEFFREY�LLOYD�(Age�39)
LAWLESS,�CLIFFORD�LANE�(Age�67)
HUGHES,�COOPER�WILLIAM
HUGHES,�JOANIE

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WINKELMAN,�CHERYL�D�(Age�54)
WINKELMAN,�DONALDROY�(Age�60)
WINKELMAN,�MARK�DOUGLAS�(Age�35)
   View Details


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 05:17:19 PM
Snipped:
http://www.privateeye.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?auth=&vw=people&input=name&fn=joni&mn=i&ln=hughes&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&age=&city=&state=CA&db=www.privateeye.com (http://www.privateeye.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?auth=&vw=people&input=name&fn=joni&mn=i&ln=hughes&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&age=&city=&state=CA&db=www.privateeye.com)


1.    HUGHES, JONI IRENE
Age: 41
 
AKA's/Aliases:
HUGHES, JONI E
LAWLESS, JONI I   

Hawthorne, CA
Lawndale, CA
Palmdale, CA
Rialto, CA
Torrance, CA
Tracy, CA
Whittier, CA   

HUGHES, JOHN PHILIP
HUGHES, JEAN MARIE
HUGHES, JULIE MAE
HUGHES, JEFFREY LLOYD
LAWLESS, CLIFFORD LANE
HUGHES, COOPER WILLIAM
HUGHES, JOANIE


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 05:50:35 PM
Snipped:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=hughes&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH (http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=hughes&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH)

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Alias':
# HUGHS, BETTY LOU
# MCBRIDE, BETTY LOU
# OLIVER, BETTY LOU

Last Known Address:     9510 HARBOR DRIVE
GLENHAVEN, 95443
County:    LAKE
Zip Code    95443
Date of Birth:    07-19-1954
Sex:    FEMALE
Height:    5'3"
Weight:    120
Eye Color:    BROWN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

288a(c)     ORAL COPULATION WITH PERSON UNDER 14/ETC OR BY FORCE/ETC


1.    HUGHES,�TIGLER�BETTY (Age 62)

Associated names:
�HUGHES,�BETTY�L
�HUGHES,�BETTY�R
�HUGHES,�BETTY�TIGLER
�TIGLER,�BETTY�A
�TIGLER,�BETTY�R
   Available(4)    Available    
SACRAMENTO,�CA
HARVEY,�LA
CITRUS HEIGHTS,�CA
MARRERO,�LA
GRETNA,�LA
ORANGEVALE,�CA    

Possible Relatives:

HUGHES,�ANTHONY�L�(Age�69)
HUGHES,�BETTY
HUGHES,�RICKEY�L�(Age�38)
HUGHESTIGLER,�BETTY�(Age�57)
HUGHES,�HUCK
HUGHES,�WILLIE�L�(Age�61)
HUGHES,�CHRISTOPHER�DURELL�(Age�34)
SCOTTTIGLER,�LISA
TIGLER,�LISA�A�(Age�41)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BRUCE,�HUCK�A
SCOTT,�HENRY�ANN�(Age�43)
STEVE,�LAWRENCE�(Age�48)


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 06:01:29 PM
I believe this is Connie's brother...

Snipped:
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp (http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp)

HARRIS,�ARTHUR�A (Age 66)

Associated names:

�HARRIS,�DE�
�HARRIS,�DEWAYNE�
�HARRIS,�ARTHUR�D
�HARRIS,�DIANA�L
   Available(6)    Available    

SALINAS,�CA
OMAK,�WA
MOSES LAKE,�WA
OKANOGAN,�WA
BELLFLOWER,�CA
   

Possible Relatives:

HARRIS,�MICHAEL�BOYCE�(Age�43)
HARRIS,�REBECCA�M�(Age�42)
HARRIS,�IRENE�C�(Age�87)
HARRIS,�DENISE�M�(Age�39)
HARRIS,�DE�W
HARRIS,�DIANA�L�(Age�64)
HARRIS,�CYNTHIA�J�(Age�50)
HARRIS,�BARBARA�J�(Age�52)
HARRIS,�ARTURH�D�(Age�66)�


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 06:08:14 PM
I wonder if this SO is related to Connie??....
Snipped:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=Harris&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH (http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=Harris&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH)


HARRIS, BRADLEY ALAN

Last Known Address:     141 PARRY AV
MODESTO, 95354
County:    STANISLAUS
Zip Code    95354
Date of Birth:    08-07-1962
Sex:    MALE
Height:    5'11"
Weight:    225
Eye Color:    BLUE
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

Offense Code     
Description
288.5    CONTINUOUS SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILD



HARRIS,�BRADLEY�ALAN (Age 46)
   Available(3)    Available    

MODESTO,�CA
CERES,�CA
TURLOCK,�CA
BRECKENRIDGE,�TX
KANSAS CITY,�MO    

Possible Relatives:

HARRIS,�MARY�K�(Age�76)
HARRIS,�LORENE�M�(Age�42)
HARRIS,�STEVEN�BOYD�(Age�34)
HARRIS,�STACY�(Age�24)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

COOPER,�RONNIE�DAVID�(Age�43)
VEGA,�PABLO�GARDUNO�(Age�48)
VILLARREAL,�JESS�MARIO�(Age�47)
   



DD

I am stuck on something, can you or anyone with a better memory than I remind me (cliffnotes) the Curry Doyle line?
TIA
B

the only CURRY I can remember is in the HARRIS/COOPER family. 

Kinship of Sarah Jane Curry
Name   Relationship with Sarah Curry   Civil   Canon
Browning, Katherine   2nd great-granddaughter   IV   4
Browning, Meredith I   2nd great-granddaughter   IV   4
Browning, Vernon D   Husband of the great-granddaughter      
Cooper, Henry Thomas   Husband      
Cooper, Irene   Granddaughter   II   2
Cooper, John Bailey "Willis"   Son   I   1
Cooper, Unknown   Granddaughter   II   2
Curry, Sarah Jane   Self      0
Harless, Pastor   Husband of the granddaughter      
Harris, Arthur "DeWayne"   Great-grandson   III   3
Harris, Arthur Alanzo "A. A."   Husband of the granddaughter      
Harris, Constance Lorene   Great-granddaughter   III   3
Harris, Cynthia Irene   Great-granddaughter   III   3
Huckaby, Johnny Jason   Husband of the 3rd great-granddaughter      
Huerta, Xavier Richard   Husband of the 2nd great-granddaughter      
Hughes   Husband of the 2nd great-granddaughter      
Lawless, Adam   3rd great-grandson   V   5
Lawless, Brett   2nd great-grandson   IV   4
Lawless, Brian L   2nd great-grandson   IV   4
Lawless, Celeb Joshua   3rd great-grandson   V   5
Lawless, Clifford "Lane"   Husband of the great-granddaughter      
Lawless, daughter   4th great-granddaughter   VI   6
Lawless, Joni   2nd great-granddaughter   IV   4
Lawless, Julianne   3rd great-granddaughter   V   5
Lawless, Melissa Chantel   3rd great-granddaughter   V   5
Puck, Michael W   Husband of the 2nd great-granddaughter      
Purks, Judy A.   Wife of the 2nd great-grandson      
Smithson, Effie Joetta   Daughter-in-law      



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 06:22:48 PM
Or this RSO???  His MO is similar to MH!!!
Snipped:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=46199050C6461 (http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=46199050C6461)

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Offense Code     
Description
288(c)    LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD 14 OR 15 YEARS OLD
f289(e)    SEXUAL PENETRATION W/FOREIGN OBJ:VICTIM DRUGGED/ETC

Last Known Address:     
92308
County:    SAN BERNARDINO
Zip Code    92308
Date of Birth:    12-15-1949
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'1"
Weight:    265
Eye Color:    BROWN
Hair Color:    GRAY
Ethnicity:    WHITE

Known Alias:
# HARIS, DANNY
# HARRIS, DAN
# HARRIS, DANIEL WAYNE
# HARRIS, DANNY W
# HARRIS, DEORGE WAYNE
# HARRIS, GEORGE WAYNE


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2009, 10:24:30 PM
It appears that Irene Cooper had a brother Daives C. Cooper "Doc".  He was also a preacher.

If someone gets a chance, could run these names:
Erik Cooper - wife Ashley
Luther Cooper - pastor at Alisal in 1967
Ted Cooper
Wallace Cooper

Thanks


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 03, 2009, 02:31:26 PM
It appears that Irene Cooper had a brother Daives C. Cooper "Doc".  He was also a preacher.

If someone gets a chance, could run these names:
Erik Cooper - wife Ashley
Luther Cooper - pastor at Alisal in 1967
Ted Cooper
Wallace Cooper

Thanks

Hi Sister  ::MonkeyRoll::
I was wondering if you had any idea of any states these folks might be in...
When I run the names MANY pop up.  Just was trying to narrow it down.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 03, 2009, 02:39:07 PM
Sister
Also, I was wondering what you thing of the stuff I recently posted in the Purks thread.  I was surprised by the name-connections and so forth and it corresponds with the Cooper info you requested!


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 03, 2009, 03:49:20 PM
Snipped:
http://www.oneangryman.com/Sandra-Cantu/page12.html (http://www.oneangryman.com/Sandra-Cantu/page12.html)
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/Connie-Lawless.jpg)
Melissa Huckaby's grandmother, Connie Lawless, left, and unidentified man, right, leave a Stockton, Calif., courtroom after the arraignment of Huckaby, Tuesday, April 14, 2009. Huckaby, 28, was charged with murdering her daughter's playmate, Sandra Cantu, in a gruesome crime that has shocked and terrified residents in Tracy, a city of about 78,000 people, 60 miles east of San Francisco.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 04, 2009, 01:39:24 AM
Hmmm
So Joni has a son named Cooper... ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/melissa-huckaby-family-1.jpg)
Joni Hughes, Melissa Huckaby's aunt, hugs her son Cooper at Clover Road Baptist Church. Huckaby struggled with depression after her divorce, and court records show she was convicted of felony theft in L.A. County in 2006. (Spencer Weiner / Los Angeles Times / April 12, 2009)


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: doubledecker on July 04, 2009, 01:48:11 PM
okay I just read through all these 4 pages in this thread again so I can "refresh" the info.  so what was it you wanted me to look at, LONE?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on July 04, 2009, 04:29:39 PM
I wonder what type of book Cynthia harris Browning is writing?

http://www.teamap.com/tearooms/silver_teapot_3263.html

Variety:      Artistry:      Service:      Food:
We've had a wonderful lunch and an excellent working environment. Would like very much to work here again on our writing.

 
- Cynthia Harris Browning 01/14/09

 
Tearoom Response
It is a pleasure seeing you each week. So glad we can provide a working environment that suits you. Good luck with your book, we are looking forward to reading it.

Marion
 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on July 04, 2009, 04:43:09 PM

http://amypuetz.com/hotpOct08.html

About the Author
Cynthia Harris Browning’s love of church history was born when her father presented an extended class on the subject to the small church he pastored in North Central Washington. Soon after that she was bitten by the writing bug. She’s currently working on a novel set during the time of Eleanor of Aquitaine, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, and Pope Innocent III. A young woman who gives all she has to copy the scriptures into the common language, but will she be required to give her very life? Cynthia has been married to her husband, Vernon, for thirty-nine years. They are the parents of two grown daughters and grandparents to Gabriella and Nathanial. They make their home in California’s San Joaquin Valley where they are active members in their local church.

What church did connies father pastor? I would also assume they are saying Clover road baptist church? You know the church that does not function under a non profit status?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on July 04, 2009, 04:51:16 PM
Has any research been done on Vernon Browning, cynthia harris brownings husband? She married him when she was 20 when her father was ministering a church in Washington state, so I would assume they married in Washington. They are said to have their first child when she was 21.
She lives in the local area now, manteca CA, next door to Tracy. This seems it would be a person who MH had contact contact with.
I wonder if this Browning person is the lawless connection we have been looking for?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on July 04, 2009, 07:12:38 PM

http://amypuetz.com/hotpOct08.html

About the Author
Cynthia Harris Browning’s love of church history was born when her father presented an extended class on the subject to the small church he pastored in North Central Washington. Soon after that she was bitten by the writing bug. She’s currently working on a novel set during the time of Eleanor of Aquitaine, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, and Pope Innocent III. A young woman who gives all she has to copy the scriptures into the common language, but will she be required to give her very life? Cynthia has been married to her husband, Vernon, for thirty-nine years. They are the parents of two grown daughters and grandparents to Gabriella and Nathanial. They make their home in California’s San Joaquin Valley where they are active members in their local church.

What church did connies father pastor? I would also assume they are saying Clover road baptist church? You know the church that does not function under a non profit status?

A.A. Harris is the father of Connie.   He pastored Eastside Missionary Baptist Church from 6/48-12/49 and again 3/54-10/56 and Washington from 10/56-12/68.  Her brother is Arthur DeWayne Harris and his first church was Douglas Street Missionary Baptist in Omak Washington, beginning May, 1963-1965.  He was at Visalia MBC from 1968-1969; Winton 1969-1973, Sovereign Grace from 1974-1975 and Alisal BC since 1975.
Let me find the rest.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on July 04, 2009, 07:48:57 PM
It appears that Irene Cooper had a brother Daives C. Cooper "Doc".  He was also a preacher.

If someone gets a chance, could run these names:
Erik Cooper - wife Ashley
Luther Cooper - pastor at Alisal in 1967
Ted Cooper
Wallace Cooper

Thanks

California or Washington
Thanks

Hi Sister  ::MonkeyRoll::
I was wondering if you had any idea of any states these folks might be in...
When I run the names MANY pop up.  Just was trying to narrow it down.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 08, 2009, 01:01:21 PM
Ok...
So let me see if if I have this right.  Irene Cooper is the mother of Connie??? ::MonkeyConfused::
That would explain the Cooper connection.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on July 09, 2009, 06:43:24 PM
Has any research been done on Vernon Browning, cynthia harris brownings husband? She married him when she was 20 when her father was ministering a church in Washington state, so I would assume they married in Washington. They are said to have their first child when she was 21.
She lives in the local area now, manteca CA, next door to Tracy. This seems it would be a person who MH had contact contact with.
I wonder if this Browning person is the lawless connection we have been looking for?

Bumping this question. I wish I could research, not good at it at all. Is there any research into Vernon Browning?


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 12:33:47 AM
Has any research been done on Vernon Browning, cynthia harris brownings husband? She married him when she was 20 when her father was ministering a church in Washington state, so I would assume they married in Washington. They are said to have their first child when she was 21.
She lives in the local area now, manteca CA, next door to Tracy. This seems it would be a person who MH had contact contact with.
I wonder if this Browning person is the lawless connection we have been looking for?

Bumping this question. I wish I could research, not good at it at all. Is there any research into Vernon Browning?

I found this...
yes she is the sister of katherine browning
both are daughters of cynthina Harris and vernon d browning
so katherine and meredith are the nieces of connie lawless/nee harris
so brian, melissa's father is the 1st cousin of katherine and meredith

so melissa very easily could have ties to modesto.

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Meredith I Browning
Name: Meredith I Browning  guessing middle name is irene
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1972
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Harris 
Birth County: Stanislaus 
 dang can't find her marriage either.  hmmm where are these 2 sisters getting married at?  why can't I find it?  weird



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 12:36:31 AM
And this...
Hope it helps.  Was there something you were looking for specifically, Tracy?

cynthia I. Harris m. Vernon D Browning
Cynthia is the sister of Connie L Harris(wife of CLL)
Cynthia is listed as agent to the National Roofing company in tracy or was it manteca(need to look) with CLL. 
cynthia and vernon were married in merced, just south of turlock, turlock is about 18 miles south of modesto. 

Name: Vernon D Browning  
Birth Date: Dec 1947
Phone Number: 668-4802
Address: 691 Rockwood Dr, Turlock, California 95380-0401 (1993)
[619 Rockwood Dr, Turlock, California 95380]
[5851 State University, Long Beach, California 90815] 


CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH
MANTECA, CA
TURLOCK, CA
TRACY, CA
DENAIR, CA


Possible Relatives:

BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
BROWNING, VERNON D (Age 61)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)
BROWNING, KATHRINE (Age 38)
BROWNING, VERNON

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BROWING, CYNTHIA  


______________________


all listed as connected to this address
691 ROCKWOOD TURLOCK, CA

 MODESTO, CA
TURLOCK, CA
LONG BEACH, CA

 Possible Relatives:

BROWN, LAWRENCE ROBERT (Age 40)
PUCK, MICHAEL E (Age 39)
BROWN, KAREN E
BROWNING, VERNON D (Age 61)
BROWNING, CYNTHIA L (Age 60)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)
BROWN, BETSY ANN (Age 32)
BROWN, BARRI EMILY (Age 34)
BROWN, JEFFREY SCOTT (Age 42)
 


 MANTECA, CA
TURLOCK, CA
DENAIR, CA
LONG BEACH, CA

Possible Relatives:

BROWN, LAWRENCE ROBERT (Age 40)
BROWN, KAREN E
BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
BROWNING, CYNTHIA L (Age 60)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)
BROWN, BETSY ANN (Age 32)
BROWN, BARRI EMILY (Age 34)
BROWN, JEFFREY SCOTT (Age 42)
BROWNING, KATHRINE (Age 38)
 


 LOMIRA, WI
MAYVILLE, WI
SAN JOSE, CA
TURLOCK, CA

Possible Relatives:

TRUESDELL, THOMAS SCOTT (Age 56)
TRUESDELL, JACK C (Age 50)
TRUSDELL, JACK
TRUESDELL, AMANDA K (Age 25)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

RIVERA,  RAYMOND (Age 34)


 LOMIRA, WI
MAYVILLE, WI
SAN JOSE, CA
TURLOCK, CA

Possible Relatives:

TRUESDELL, THOMAS SCOTT (Age 56)
TRUESDELL, DEBRA S (Age 47)
TRUESDELL, AMANDA K (Age 25)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

RIVERA, RAYMOND (Age 34)


Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH
MANTECA, CA
TURLOCK, CA
TRACY, CA
DENAIR, CA

Possible Relatives:

BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
BROWNING, VERNON D (Age 61)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)
BROWNING, KATHRINE (Age 38)
BROWNING, VERNON


Possible Roommates / Associates:

BROWING, CYNTHIA


 TURLOCK, CA
NEWMAN, CA
PATTERSON, CAGUSTINE, CA

Possible Relatives:

MITCHELL, GUY F (Age 46)
MITHCELL, EDWARD L (Age 60)
MITCHELL, CINDEE
MITCHELL, JANICE M (Age 51)
KOPECKI, JANET Z (Age 47)
MITCHELL, JANNET
MITCHELL, DOLORES F (Age 72)
MITCHELL, NICK (Age 65)
MITCHELL, RICHARD O (Age 45)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

TAMAYO, CAROLS FILOMENO (Age 76)
TAMAYO, CATRINA A (Age 76)


 TURLOCK, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA

 Possible Relatives:

MALDONADO, JOSE R (Age 35)
MALDONADO, MARIA D (Age 60)
MALDONADO, ELIAS A (Age 39)
MALDONADO, ELIAS A
MALDONADO, ELBA L
MALDONADO, ANTONIO A (Age 38)
MALDONADO, JORGE ANGELA (Age 27)
MALDONADO, ELBA LETICIA (Age 35)
MALDONADO, PEDRO E (Age 30)



TURLOCK, CA
HOUSTON, TX
LIVINGSTON, CA
DELHI, CA

 Possible Relatives:

MALDONADO, ELBA L
MALDONADO, ANTHONY A
MALDONADO, ELIAS A
MALDONADO, ELIAS A (Age 39)
MALDONADO, MARIA D (Age 60)
MALDONADO, JOSE R (Age 35)
MALDONADO, MARTHA P (Age 63)
MALDONADO, SILVIA L (Age 35)
MALDONADO, JORGE ANGELA (Age 27)


 HOUSTON, TX
TURLOCK, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA

Possible Relatives:

MALDONADO, ELIAS A (Age 39)
MALDONADO, JOSE R (Age 35)
MALDONADO, MARIA D (Age 60)
MALDONADO, ANTHONY A
MALDONADO, ELIAS A
MALDONADO, ANTONIO A (Age 38)
MALDONADO, JORGE ANGELA (Age 27)
MALDONADO, PEDRO E (Age 30)
MALDONADO, JUAN JESUS (Age 31)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MALDONADO, ELBA LETICIA (Age 35)



 TURLOCK, CA

Possible Relatives:

MITCHELL, RAY N (Age 53)
MITCHELL, MICHELE (Age 47)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

TAMAYO, CAROLS FILOMENO (Age 76)
TAMAYO, CATRINA A (Age 76)


 TURLOCK, CA
SANTA ROSA, CA
DENAIR, CA

Possible Relatives:

MANN, KATHRYN J (Age 50)
KOPFMANN, VERNA ELVIRA (Age 93)
KOPFMANN, WALTER H (Age 88)
MANN, ADAM ROBERT (Age 29)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BRADFORD, CARMEN A (Age 70)


TURLOCK, CA
SANTA ROSA, CA
DENAIR, CA

Possible Relatives:

MANN, RANDAL W (Age 53)
KOPFMANN, WALTER H (Age 88)
KOPFMANN, VERNA ELVIRA (Age 93)
MANN, ADAM ROBERT (Age 29)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BRADFORD, CARMEN A (Age 70)



 TURLOCK, CA

Possible Relatives:

BROWNING, VERNON D (Age 61)
BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
BROWNING, CYNTHIA L (Age 60)

HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38)
HUERTA, AL

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CRUTCHER, LESLIE C (Age 35)


 FRESNO, TX
HOUSTON, TX
TURLOCK, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA

Possible Relatives:

MALDONADO, ELIAS A (Age 39)
MALDONADO, JOSE R (Age 35)
MALDONADO, MARIA D (Age 60)
MALDONADO, ANTONIO A (Age 38)
MALDONADO, ELIAS A
MALDONADO, ELBA L
MALDONADO, ANTHONY A
MALDONADO, JORGE ANGELA (Age 27)
MALDONADO, PEDRO E (Age 30)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MARTINEZ, HILSA (Age 44)
ANDRADE, ELVIRA DENIS (Age 65)
MARTINEZ, JESUS ROBERTO (Age 46)
ANDRADE, FAUSTINO (Age 69)


 TURLOCK, CA

Possible Relatives:

MITCHELL, RAY N (Age 53)
MITCHELL, MICHELE (Age 47)


 TURLOCK, CA

Possible Relatives:

MITCHELL, RAY N (Age 53)
KOPECKI, JANET Z (Age 47)
MITCHELL, JANET
 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:07:54 AM
DoubleD is an AWESOME Monkey Researcher!!!! ::MonkeyCool::

phone # listed with vernon d browning

notice all the others are BROWN, only he and his wife and looks like their kids use the name BROWNING.  Now are these two different names of two different families who share the phone # and live together, or is vernon changing his name?

(209) 668-4802



(209) 668-4802
 MANTECA, CA
TURLOCK, CA
DENAIR, CA
LONG BEACH, CA

Possible Relatives:

BROWN, LAWRENCE ROBERT (Age 40)
BROWN, KAREN E
BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
BROWNING, CYNTHIA L (Age 60)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)
BROWN, BETSY ANN (Age 32)
BROWN, BARRI EMILY (Age 34)
BROWN, JEFFREY SCOTT (Age 42)
BROWNING, KATHRINE (Age 38)
   
 


(209) 668-4802

 TURLOCK, CA

Possible Relatives:

BROWNING, VERNON D (Age 61)
BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
BROWNING, CYNTHIA L (Age 60)
HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38) who is this?
HUERTA, AL



(209) 668-4802
 MODESTO, CA
TURLOCK, CA
LONG BEACH, CA

Possible Relatives:

BROWN, LAWRENCE ROBERT (Age 40)
PUCK, MICHAEL E (Age 39)
BROWN, KAREN E
BROWNING, VERNON D (Age 61)
BROWNING, CYNTHIA L (Age 60)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)
BROWN, BETSY ANN (Age 32)
BROWN, BARRI EMILY (Age 34)
BROWN, JEFFREY SCOTT (Age 42)


Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH


(209) 668-4802
 MANTECA, CA
TURLOCK, CA
TRACY, CA
DENAIR, CA

Possible Relatives:

BROWNING, KATHRINE F (Age 38)
BROWNING, VERNON D (Age 61)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)
BROWNING, KATHRINE (Age 38)
BROWNING, VERNON 



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:10:19 AM
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Vernon Dale Browning
Name: Vernon Dale Browning  
Birth Date: 1 Dec 1947
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Hay   
Birth County: Stanislaus 

married

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Cynthia Irene Harris
Name: Cynthia Irene Harris  
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1948
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Cooper 
Birth County: San Joaquin  
 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:14:15 AM
okay 
Katherine F Browning is the daughter of Cynthia Irene Harris and Vernon D Browning
Cynthia Irene Harris is the sister Connie harris who married CLL
Cynthina married Vernon D Browning

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Kathrine F Browning
Name: Kathrine F Browning  
Birth Date: 28 May 1970
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Harris 
Birth County: Stanislaus 

I'm looking for the marriage now to michael puck... I am guessing she married him



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:15:04 AM
okay 
Katherine F Browning is the daughter of Cynthia Irene Harris and Vernon D Browning
Cynthia Irene Harris is the sister Connie harris who married CLL
Cynthina married Vernon D Browning

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Kathrine F Browning
Name: Kathrine F Browning  
Birth Date: 28 May 1970
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Harris 
Birth County: Stanislaus 

I'm looking for the marriage now to michael puck... I am guessing she married him
 

I just had a thought, cynthia browning/nee harris, sister of connie is the agent for National Roofing company.  Cynthia married vernon d browning, he was born in turlock, they married in merced(about 30 miles south of modesto), turlock is about 18 south of modesto.  turlock and modesto are in stanilaus county, and they are showing modesto addresses. 

so my guess is, MAYBE the national roofing company is listed in stanilaus county in modesto? I will look just as soon as I have time, just making a note here so I don't forget, if I do forget, someone remind me.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:18:33 AM
yes she is the sister of katherine browning
both are daughters of cynthina Harris and vernon d browning
so katherine and meredith are the nieces of connie lawless/nee harris
so brian, melissa's father is the 1st cousin of katherine and meredith

so melissa very easily could have ties to modesto.

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Meredith I Browning
Name: Meredith I Browning  guessing middle name is irene
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1972
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Harris 
Birth County: Stanislaus 
 dang can't find her marriage either.  hmmm where are these 2 sisters getting married at?  why can't I find it?  weird



Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:20:14 AM
Here is a Harris listed with Crutcher, Huerta and Browning.

CRUTCHER, LESLIE C (Age 35)

Associated names:

 CRUTCHER, LES
 CRUTCHER, LESLIE L
 Available(6) Available TURLOCK, CA
FREMONT, CA
HILMAR, CA
CHOWCHILLA, CA
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
FRESNO, CA Possible Relatives:

CRUTCHER, NICOLE MICHELLE (Age 34)
CRUTCHER, MARK JAMES (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA MANCEBO (Age 36)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 64)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, JESSICA LYNN (Age 41)
CRUTCHERJR, MARK J (Age 38)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA M
CRUTCHER, PATTI

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
LANE, WILLIAM DARRELL (Age 50)
MANQUEROS, DERRICK JOHN (Age 38)
CREWS, ALAN LEE (Age 44)
MCLAUGHLIN, PATRICIA ANN (Age 40)
ESHAYA, ELIZABETH (Age 64)
HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)

VALENCIA, DIANA A (Age 31)
JACKSONHALL, SUSAN LEE (Age 67)
ELLIOTT, JACQUELINE A (Age 24)
 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:21:55 AM

Since there is talk of Xavier Huerta, this might be a good time to mention that he supposedly teaches classes at Lane's church in Tracy CA. 

"Our class is led by Xavier Huerta."

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/SUNDAY_SCHOOL.htm (http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/SUNDAY_SCHOOL.htm)


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:24:29 AM
Here is a Harris listed with Crutcher, Huerta and Browning.

there are a LOT more names at this address, a total of 62 different listings, each with multiple names, but most of the names are hooked up to the others.  is this an apt complex?  if so why so many people in each one also scattered through the other ones?  why so many in each hook to people in the CCL/huerta/browning lines?  I need to go back through all these at some time and figure out what is going on here.  too many connected names for some huge apt complex, and too many names for a house.

1131 COLORADO TURLOCK, CA

CRUTCHER, LESLIE C (Age 35)

Associated names:

 CRUTCHER, LES
 CRUTCHER, LESLIE L
 Available(6) Available TURLOCK, CA
FREMONT, CA
HILMAR, CA
CHOWCHILLA, CA
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
FRESNO, CA Possible Relatives:

CRUTCHER, NICOLE MICHELLE (Age 34)
CRUTCHER, MARK JAMES (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA MANCEBO (Age 36)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 64)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, JESSICA LYNN (Age 41)
CRUTCHERJR, MARK J (Age 38)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA M
CRUTCHER, PATTI

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
LANE, WILLIAM DARRELL (Age 50)
MANQUEROS, DERRICK JOHN (Age 38)
CREWS, ALAN LEE (Age 44)
MCLAUGHLIN, PATRICIA ANN (Age 40)
ESHAYA, ELIZABETH (Age 64)
HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)

VALENCIA, DIANA A (Age 31)
JACKSONHALL, SUSAN LEE (Age 67)
ELLIOTT, JACQUELINE A (Age 24)


 

this same harris is listed  at this address, so is xavier huerta

TURLOCK, CA
SPRING VALLEY, CA
BLYTHE, CA
SAN DIEGO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WHITE, THADDEUS DAVID (Age 37)
WHITE, LESTER S (Age 53)
PRIDE, ARMANDA (Age 85)
FREEMAN, MICHAEL M (Age 40)
PRIDE, WILLIE
PRIDE, WHITE REBECCA
WHITE, RUBY G
WHITE, JOY A
GASTON, BIANCA SUMMER (Age 31)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
 

_________________________

same address

TURLOCK, CA
FREMONT, CA
HILMAR, CA
CHOWCHILLA, CA
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
FRESNO, CA Possible Relatives:

CRUTCHER, NICOLE MICHELLE (Age 34)
CRUTCHER, MARK JAMES (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA MANCEBO (Age 36)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 64)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, JESSICA LYNN (Age 41)
CRUTCHERJR, MARK J (Age 38)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA M
CRUTCHER, PATTI

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
LANE, WILLIAM DARRELL (Age 50)
MANQUEROS, DERRICK JOHN (Age 38)this last name listed with someone back there
CREWS, ALAN LEE (Age 44)
MCLAUGHLIN, PATRICIA ANN (Age 40)
ESHAYA, ELIZABETH (Age 64)
HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)

VALENCIA, DIANA A (Age 31)
JACKSONHALL, SUSAN LEE (Age 67)
ELLIOTT, JACQUELINE A (Age 24)
___________________________________

same address
TURLOCK, CA
FRESNO, CA
CHOWCHILLA, CA

Possible Relatives:

CRUTCHER, LESLIE C (Age 35)
MANCEBO, MANUEL GOMES  (Age 38)probably nothing, but hmmmmHEMPHILL, CINDY KAY (Age 35)
MANCEBO, MARIA FATIMA (Age 62)
CRUTCHER, 2005 TRUST 
_________________________

same address, wood is also with xavier somewhere else, and sherwood is with one of the other lawless lines.  probably not the same ones, but making a note to check to see

TURLOCK, CA
SAN BRUNO, CA
PACIFICA, CA
SAN MATEO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WOOD, PARADISE
WOOD, JEANETTE T (Age 74)
DARMOUSSEHS, ALBERT (Age 47)
DARMOUSSEH, YOURAM (Age 75)
SHERWOOD, STEPHANIE J (Age 31)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DARMOUSSEH,  LISA (Age 47)
_____________________

same address

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 PRECISION AIR BALANCE Lighting Maintenance Services
 PRECISION AIR BALANCE Plumbing, Heating, and Air-Conditioning
 TURLOCK, CA
CERES, CA

Possible Relatives:

MANQUEROS, JOSEPHINE K (Age 65)
MANQUEROS, JOSEPHINE N (Age 66)
MANQUEROS, DICK V
MANQUEROS, TRUST

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CRUTCHER, LESLIE C (Age 35)
____________________________

same address

bunch of silva names, some in hilmar, this is right outside turlock.  lots of dairy people out there

HILMAR, CA
TURLOCK, CA
DENAIR, CA

Possible Relatives:

SILVA, TONIA LEE (Age 38)
SILVA, JOANN CURTISS
SILVA, LEONARD DAVID (Age 60)
MUELLER, GWENDOLYN ANNE (Age 39)
SILVA, LEONARD DAVIDJR (Age 42)
SILVA, KATHERINE R (Age 57)
SILVA, TONIA
BROCKETT, SHANA (Age 60)
SILVA, MASON 
____________________________




Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
DoubleD ::MonkeyCool::
When you get the chance...
Can you take a look at this Carolyn Cooper and see if she is from the Irene Cooper line?  She is in Mongolia (missionary work?)  I notice there is a Sutton listed as a possible relative but I am not sure if this the right gal.

This is her FaceBook link:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1383885603&ref=sgm (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1383885603&ref=sgm)

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COOPER,�CAROLYN�ANN (Age 54)

Associated names:

�COOPER,�CAROL�A
�OOPER,�CAROL�
�WILEY,�CAROLYN�
   Available(5)    Available    

BAKERSFIELD,�CA    

Possible Relatives:

WILEY,�SHARON�(Age�48)
WILEY,�DIANA�KAY�(Age�51)
SUTTON,�KIMBERLY�(Age�34)
LHOOPER,�MARVICE�M�(Age�47)
WILEY,�ODIE
WILEY,�SUEWILLIA�WILLIA�(Age�38)
COOPER,�CAROLINE
WILEY,�RONNIE�G�(Age�54)
COOPER,�JENNIFER�MICHELE�(Age�32)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BILLINGSLY,�JAMES�EARL�(Age�56)
WRIGHT,�TINICIA�RENEE�(Age�35)
BILLINGSLEY,�LOLA�PERCY�(Age�68)
GAGE,�JAMES�J�(Age�48)
WILLIAMS,�QUINCY�KWASHON�(Age�28)
HENDERSON,�LINDA�(Age�50)
KELLEY,�LEROY�(Age�41)
WRIGHT,�NICIA�(Age�34)
MCCARTHY,�OLGA�(Age�49)


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Tracygirl on July 10, 2009, 03:29:01 PM
Hi lone,
I suppose I should have been a bit more informational. I was thinking since we have been searching hi and low for a connection between the lawless's in grants pass and the lawlesses here, maybe the person who is on the deed for the national roofing as the agent, cynthia browning, is the link, but since she is not then her husband.

It is said MH mom was in grants pass staying with an aunt. Cynthia Browning is her aunt, her in laws could be called cousins and aunts or uncles. I think it is more then just a koinkydink that there is lawless roofing and national roofing so maybe Vernon Browning is the link which brings everyone together? Maybe his relative married a lawless as well as his sister inlaw connie married a lawless.
That was confusing to write, hopefully that made sense.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 10, 2009, 11:49:14 PM
Hi lone,
I suppose I should have been a bit more informational. I was thinking since we have been searching hi and low for a connection between the lawless's in grants pass and the lawlesses here, maybe the person who is on the deed for the national roofing as the agent, cynthia browning, is the link, but since she is not then her husband.

It is said MH mom was in grants pass staying with an aunt. Cynthia Browning is her aunt, her in laws could be called cousins and aunts or uncles. I think it is more then just a koinkydink that there is lawless roofing and national roofing so maybe Vernon Browning is the link which brings everyone together? Maybe his relative married a lawless as well as his sister inlaw connie married a lawless.
That was confusing to write, hopefully that made sense.

I think I understood!  Love your lil monkey on the beach!  Very Sweet!!!!  Let me know if there is anything I can help with.  I'm NO DoubleD but I can try to help!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on July 11, 2009, 12:48:06 PM
Hi, I really like everyone's "best dressed" avas.  We are lookin good!

Of note, the Lawless Roofing in Grants Pass Ore says it has no Oregon employees, they are all in California.  There is a connection, I can just feel it!


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 11, 2009, 11:10:44 PM
DoubleD ::MonkeyCool::
When you get the chance...
Can you take a look at this Carolyn Cooper and see if she is from the Irene Cooper line?  She is in Mongolia (missionary work?)  I notice there is a Sutton listed as a possible relative but I am not sure if this the right gal.

This is her FaceBook link:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1383885603&ref=sgm (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1383885603&ref=sgm)

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COOPER,�CAROLYN�ANN (Age 54)

Associated names:

�COOPER,�CAROL�A
�OOPER,�CAROL�
�WILEY,�CAROLYN�
   Available(5)    Available    

BAKERSFIELD,�CA    

Possible Relatives:

WILEY,�SHARON�(Age�48)
WILEY,�DIANA�KAY�(Age�51)
SUTTON,�KIMBERLY�(Age�34)
LHOOPER,�MARVICE�M�(Age�47)
WILEY,�ODIE
WILEY,�SUEWILLIA�WILLIA�(Age�38)
COOPER,�CAROLINE
WILEY,�RONNIE�G�(Age�54)
COOPER,�JENNIFER�MICHELE�(Age�32)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BILLINGSLY,�JAMES�EARL�(Age�56)
WRIGHT,�TINICIA�RENEE�(Age�35)
BILLINGSLEY,�LOLA�PERCY�(Age�68)
GAGE,�JAMES�J�(Age�48)
WILLIAMS,�QUINCY�KWASHON�(Age�28)
HENDERSON,�LINDA�(Age�50)
KELLEY,�LEROY�(Age�41)
WRIGHT,�NICIA�(Age�34)
MCCARTHY,�OLGA�(Age�49)

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Carolyn Cooper - Mongolia

Quite interesting FACTS from: www.HumanTrafficking.org

Mongolia

The Situation
Mongolia is a source, transit, and destination country for human trafficking.

Source
Mongolian women and children were trafficked for sexual and labor exploitation in the People’s Republic of China, Macau, South Korea,1  Japan, Malaysia, Israel, Turkey, Switzerland, and Hungary.2   Many Mongolians voluntarily migrate to work or study abroad but are later coerced into exploitative conditions. Some trafficked women were recruited through fraudulent marriages to foreign husbands, primarily South Koreans.3   

Destination
Mongolia is a destination country for a significant number of victims who are trafficked from North Korea for forced labor.4

Internal Trafficking
Mongolia has internal trafficking of children for commercial sexual exploitation.5

The Mongolian Government
The Mongolian Government was placed in Tier 2 in the 2007 U.S. Department of State’s Trafficking in Persons Report for not fully complying with the Trafficking Victims Protection Act’s minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking but making significant efforts to do so. Some NGOs believe police were complicit in the trafficking of women across Mongolian borders.6

Section 113 of the Criminal Code criminalizes human trafficking, with penalties for up to 10-15 years in prison.7

Prosecution
The Mongolian Government investigated 12 suspected trafficking cases in 2006 but was never prosecuted because of lack of evidence. The Government did not prosecute any traffickers in 2006.8

Protection
During 2006, the Mongolian government began implementing a national action plan to enhance efforts of Mongolian diplomatic missions to combat and assist Mongolian trafficking victims abroad.9  The Government announced plans to open a consulate in Macau to provide services to trafficking victims.10  However, victim protection within Mongolia was very limited. The government does not fund any shelters for trafficking victims and relies on NGOs and IGOs to assist trafficking victims.11

Prevention
The Mongolian government held an awareness raising campaign throughout 2006. The Ministry of Affairs continues to distribute information on trafficking to Mongolian consular officers abroad.12

Recommendations
The U.S. Department of State recommends that the Mongolian Government should increase its efforts to combat trafficking in persons, particularly through law enforcement means. The government should ensure that it has the legal tools to prosecute all trafficking offenses, including those which occur through fraud or coercion.13

_________________________
1   2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report
2  2006 US Department of State Human Rights Report
3  2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report
4  2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report
5  2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report
6  2006 US Department of State Human Rights Report
7  2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report
8  2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report
9  2006 US Department of State Human Rights Report
10  2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report
11  2006 US Department of State Human Rights Report
12  2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report
13  2007 US Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on July 12, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
Read in the article about Madison that Grandma Judy had taken her to relative in Cypress.
I know we have a thread for newspaper articles, maybe one of you good bumpers can move it to the thread.
Hope to get back to doing some solid work here soon, just can't wrap my brain around a lot right now.  My sister tried to get out of bed yesterday and fell -- it is so hard to have your brain say one thing and your body not respond.  She'll get it, but they moved her across from the nurses' station for safety.  Thanks to all of you for your continued prayers, and Tracygirl, praying for your family as well.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 20, 2009, 11:25:17 PM
Hi Sister...I moved the article like you mentioned!  ::MonkeyAngel::

DeWayne Harris of Salinas, Calif., talks about the Baptist history during the Clover Road Baptist Church's Wednesday night service in Tracy, Calif., on Wednesday, April 29, 2009. The church has been the subject of multiple searches and investigations by the FBI and Tracy Police surrounding the ongoing Sandra Cantu murder case. (Doug Duran/Staff)

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Connie Lawless' brother, the Rev. DeWayne Harris, came from Salinas to give a spirited sermon on how Baptists struggle to preserve the truth and how the national media spotlight has rocked their little church.

"Knowing the history of this Tracy church, I know this is your darkest hour, but I'm going to talk about light," he said. "I hope that through this tragedy that God gets the attention of not only Tracy, but the nation."

He spoke harshly of what he called false media reports on the case, and he said he felt sorry for the likes of news commentators Nancy Grace and Dan Rather.

Recent news reports have linked Lane Lawless to an FBI investigation into old child abuse claims at a church in rural Washington. The pastor's wife maintains that he has only led California congregations. He's been at Clover Road, established in 1955, since the early 80s.

"Lane is the last person on the Earth that you would ever suspect of abusing anyone," she says, describing him as trustworthy, hardworking and strong.

Lawless also denies media reports that Huckaby was ever molested, abused or involved in serious crime, and she would not confirm whether Huckaby has suffered from depression.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 21, 2009, 01:07:46 PM
DoubleD ::MonkeyCool::
When you get the chance...
Can you take a look at this Carolyn Cooper and see if she is from the Irene Cooper line?  She is in Mongolia (missionary work?)  I notice there is a Sutton listed as a possible relative but I am not sure if this the right gal.

This is her FaceBook link:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1383885603&ref=sgm (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1383885603&ref=sgm)

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COOPER,�CAROLYN�ANN (Age 54)

Associated names:

�COOPER,�CAROL�A
�OOPER,�CAROL�
�WILEY,�CAROLYN�
   Available(5)    Available    

BAKERSFIELD,�CA    

Possible Relatives:

WILEY,�SHARON�(Age�48)
WILEY,�DIANA�KAY�(Age�51)
SUTTON,�KIMBERLY�(Age�34)
LHOOPER,�MARVICE�M�(Age�47)
WILEY,�ODIE
WILEY,�SUEWILLIA�WILLIA�(Age�38)
COOPER,�CAROLINE
WILEY,�RONNIE�G�(Age�54)
COOPER,�JENNIFER�MICHELE�(Age�32)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BILLINGSLY,�JAMES�EARL�(Age�56)
WRIGHT,�TINICIA�RENEE�(Age�35)
BILLINGSLEY,�LOLA�PERCY�(Age�68)
GAGE,�JAMES�J�(Age�48)
WILLIAMS,�QUINCY�KWASHON�(Age�28)
HENDERSON,�LINDA�(Age�50)
KELLEY,�LEROY�(Age�41)
WRIGHT,�NICIA�(Age�34)
MCCARTHY,�OLGA�(Age�49)

Still working on this to see if this person is related.....
Help... ::MonkeyEek::

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HARRISON,�CAROLYN�SUE (Age 61)

Associated names:

�CAROLYN,�S�
�COOPER,��C
�COOPER,�CAROLYN�SUE
�MASON,�CAROLYN�S
   Available(6)    Available    

OKLAHOMA CITY,�OK    

Possible Relatives:

MASON,�RAYMONDF�F�(Age�65)
HARRIS,�DEBORAH�LYNN�(Age�36)
MASON,�CHEYENNE�SPENCER�(Age�49)
HARRIS,�MICHELLE�RENEE�(Age�37)
COOPER,�LEO�C�(Age�75)
HARRISON,�LORI�DIANNE�(Age�40)
HARRISON,�RITA�L�(Age�59)
HARRIS,�KATHERINE�R
HARRIS,�ISSAC

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MARTIN,�EDDIE�C�(Age�73)
COOPER,�CAROLYN


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 21, 2009, 01:54:02 PM
So the Coopers', like the Harris' and Lawless' go WAY back!
http://jrhenness4.home.comcast.net/~jrhenness4/calhac/book/pastors/pastors_03.htm (http://jrhenness4.home.comcast.net/~jrhenness4/calhac/book/pastors/pastors_03.htm)


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Cooper, Dawes C. (Doc) (Old State)


Cooper, Dawes C. (Doc) Doc, as he was known, was born in Muskogee, Oklahoma January 4, 1903. He was saved and baptized under the ministry of his father, John Cooper. He surrendered to the ministry at the early age of eighteen and was ordained by the Winona, Oklahoma MBC, pastored by his father, John. He was married to Dorothy Irene McCloud June 14, 1921. Shortly after, he enrolled in the Missionary Baptist College in Sheridan, Arkansas.

In August of 1925 he was moderator Pro - Tem for the New Hope MBC in Wynona in which the church expressed their appreciation to E. C. Gillentine for work done to the church and also the local association (Victory). This church and association was considered a part of the ABA.

In 1934 Doc moved to Monterey, California and started a very successful business which he sold in 1945 and became very active in the California Missionary Baptist Association, doing mission work and establishing churches in Castroville, Pleasanton, a mission in Seaside and a Spanish work with Brother Goulding in Salinas.

Brother Doc also was co - owner of the Missionary Baptist paper with Brother Hunt. At the time of his death he was working on his thesis for his master in the English Bible, after three years in the Fresno school. He assisted his son John Dee in attending the Little Rock school in the late 1950's. He departed this life in December of 1952. He was the oldest son of a large Missionary Baptist Family as is reflected in the following Biographies of Father, Brothers, Son, Nephew, and Sons - in - laws. He stayed with the Old Association when the division came in 1952.

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Cooper, Erik (Old State)

Erik Cooper was born May 25, 1970 and was born again in 1980. He married his wife Ashley in May 22, 1999, with Brother Dan Maynard performing the ceremony. He then was baptized by the Liberty MBC in San Fernando, June 6, 1999. He was a charter member of the Mountain Liberty MBC in Tehachapi which was organized June 17, 2000.

The Lord called him to preach December 3, 2000 and he gladly surrendered to this call. The Antioch LMBC in Riverside (Arlington) called him for pastor at which time he was ordained and served the church until April 2007. His church hosted the 75th Old State meeting. He served as Moderator of the Old State Association 2008 and 2009; he is presently a member of the Tehachapi MBC.

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Cooper John (Old State)

Elder John Cooper was born November 30, 1879, in Newton County, Arkansas. He came from a long line of Missionary Baptists. His father and grandfather before him were Missionary Baptist Ministers and he was reared in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. In August 1896 he was born again in the Indian Territory where he had moved with his parents, Elder and Mrs. Henry Thomas Cooper in 1892. Immediately after experiencing the New Birth he was baptized by, and united with the Frozen Rock Missionary Baptist Church which was organized by his father H. T. Cooper in 1895.

He spent the early part of his Christian life serving as church clerk, song director, superintending and teaching Sunday school. He married Effie Joetta Smithson June 23, 1901, and was instrumental in leading her to Christ in August of the same year. She was baptized and untied with the Liberty Missionary Baptist Church worshipping in the Buckhorn schoolhouse near McAllen, Indian Territory.

God called him to the ministry August 1902, but he fought the call until April 15, 1908, when he preached his first sermon in Salano, New Mexico where he had moved the year before.

Elder G. W. Crawford led in his ordination. Elder O. E. Sheets, clerk, Elder T. H. Hicks and S.F. Stroble were on the ordination council

In the fall of 1908 he moved back to Oklahoma where he farmed and preached and was ordained to the full work of the Gospel ministry January 30, 1915, by the Mt. Morriah Missionary Baptist Church near Coopertown, Oklahoma.

He did pastoral work in Kiowa Creek and Osage Counties, and was missionary for two different Associations in Oklahoma.

In November of 1935 he came west to California where on May 24, 1936, he became assistant pastor to Elder R. Y. Blalock, missionary pastor for the Hebbron Heights Missionary Baptist Church, Salinas; was elected pastor of this church for two years, one of which was stormy because of the Southern Baptist Conventionites who disturbed the fellowship of the church by trying to steal the property. He served the church faithfully until the storm was over and then resigned the pastorate January 1, 1939, but continued to serve as supply pastor until the church called Elder C. H. Hardin.

On January 1, 1941, the Hebbron Heights M. B. Church of Salinas indorsed Brother Cooper as missionary and recommended him to the Northern California Missionary Baptist Association where he labored; organizing several churches among them the ones at Tulare, Armona, Tuolumne, Tracy, and Brentwood. He remained active in mission work serving as supply for various pastors and teaching Bible schools until his death January 12, 1957.

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Cooper, John D. (Left Landmark Work)

John D. was born September 17, 1923. He was the son of Dawes (Doc) Cooper and grandson of Willis John Cooper and the great grandson of H. T. Cooper, Baptist preachers all. He had been saved and baptized by the FMBC (Hebbron Heights) under the ministry of Clarence Hardin the pastor. He served on the battleship Tennessee for five years during WW II. After the war was over, he married Florence and moved to Seaside where he became active in the Lord's work, serving as President of the Youth Rally and then surrendering to preach in 1947.

His father, D. C. Cooper, told him to pack up and move to Little Rock and attend the Missionary Baptist Seminary, which he did for 5 years. He received a Bachelor of Bible Languages. After moving to Little Rock the first part of 1948, he began preaching wherever he could. The Egypt MBC called him as pastor and He was ordained to the Ministry by the Antioch MBC, Ben M. Bogard, pastor. During the summer he lived in the Egypt community and led them in a large building program. Under his leadership the church went full time and had a great growth. He and Florence attended the ABA as messengers in Lakeland, Florida along with their very good friends, Douglas and Maurine Perdue and was present when the split came in 1950. During his schooling he also was active in association work, attending the ABA meeting at St Louis in 1948, with Paul Goodwin and Douglas Perdue and the meeting at Little Rock in 1949.

In October of 1952 he and had moved back to California and accepted the new El Bethel MBC in San Jose. The church represented in the old association. At the present, John is no longer active in church work. His first wife Florence passed away, and he married again to Phyllis who also passed away.

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Cooper, Luther T. (Old State)

Luther Thorpe Cooper was born June 4, 1905. He was the second of nine children born to Willis John and Effie Joetta Cooper. He was married to Sue Ethel Parrack May 15, 1927 at Tulsa, OK. He was saved and baptized in November 1927 and then surrendered to the ministry in 1935.

He was faithful to his calling all the rest of his life. He first pastored an ABA church, the Liberty MBC in Tulsa, Oklahoma. His first California church to pastor was the First MBC in Riverbank, from June 1941, till August 1948. The church grew by leaps and bounds under his leadership.

(I was baptized, and my father, sister and five brothers were saved under his preaching. Upon his recommendation, I enrolled in the Little Rock school in the fall of 1944. Words cannot express my love for this great man of God, L. D. Perdue)

From Riverbank, he accepted the New Hope church in Los Angeles from September 1946 to the early 1950's. During his time at New Hope, in 1949 the Missionary Baptist Seminary was started with Travis Hubbard and R. R. Farris among others as teachers to pattern and teach the same courses as taught in the Little Rock school.

In 1952 he was pastor of El Nido; in 1953 Walla Walla, Washington and then Wilmington in 1954. He was broken hearted about the 1952 split in California and was very much opposed to it. He stayed with the old association as did many other fine pastors and churches. He was pastor of the Alisal MBC in Salinas shortly before his death on January 1, 1967.

A great booklet was written by him entitled EKLESIA which has a section devoted to Baptist History. In October of 1947, Ben M. Bogard said in the Searchlight, "Valuable Information about California" and there followed almost a full page of historical information by Brother Cooper. Portions of this article will be carried elsewhere in this book. LDP

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Cooper, Ted R. (ABA)

Ted was the son of Willis John Cooper. He became involved the California work in 1945 when the Brentwood church unanimously called him for pastor the first Sunday in September. He was very active from the start in building the church, including a nice building with full basement. It was one of the nicest among Missionary Baptist churches in California. He remained as pastor until about 1956 when the pressures of the work and critical opposition of the brethren throughout the State led to his resignation from the church.

Ironically, many of the things for which he was condemned are very common in our churches today. After he left Brentwood he joined a Southern Baptist Church. In his later years he got back in Missionary Baptist work, joining the First church in Antioch. He has gone on to meet the Lord.

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Cooper, Wallace (Left Landmark Work)

Wallace is the elder son of Luther Cooper. He was born about 1929 in Oklahoma. He surrendered to preach in the mid forties and attended the Little Rock School after graduating from high school.

When he moved back to California he led in the organization of the El Bethel church in San Jose. He has pastored churches in both the Old and Coop. associations and spent five years in a Convention church. He now stands excluded from the Meridian church in Idaho.

He is very talented and has done outstanding work in at least three churches, Klamath Falls, Oregon, Folsom and Norwalk. The Norwalk church was lost to MB work because of his teaching on "New - Light" doctrine.

Note: In the Traskwood, Arkansas trial the extreme positions that some have taken to the above mentioned teaching (New - Light) was ruled by the Arkansas Supreme Court to be contrary to Landmark Doctrine. This was based mainly on the testimony of Dr. Fred Stevenson. See Landmarkism Revisited by Dr. Robert Ashcraft.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 21, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
So they ARE connected!!!!!
Bill & Carolyn Cooper are Missionaries in Mongolia!!!!  They are the last 2 on the right.
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Pictured above (l-r) is Erdenbayar Dambahuu (Eggi) Pastor of the Rich Heart Baptist Church in UlaanBaatar, Mongolia, Brother Bill and Rosey Gurnett, Pastor of LMBC Martinez (sponsoring Church) Brother Rod Shaull missionary to Ohio, Tsamba (son of Brother Eggi), Brother Dave Smith, director of XStream Out Reach, Brother Gary Max, missionary to New Zealand, Sister Carolyn and Brother Bill Cooper, missionary helpers to Mongolia.


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"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you…" Matthew 28:19-20

In August 1999 the Carrells moved to Mongolia – a land that has been deprived of the gospel for over 70 years. We stand in awe at all that God has done in this place in just a few short years. Mongolians are in great need of the gospel and solid Bible teaching and to have established churches in which to minister and be ministered to.

In August of 2007 Bill and Carolyn Cooper moved to UB Mongolia and joined the Carrell's in serving God there. The Mongolian Mission Team was reorganized to include Egi and Naraa as part of the team. Brother Egi is the pastor of the Rich Heart Baptist Church in UlaanBaatar.

To this point God has established one body in the capitol Ulaanbaatar which has more than 99 members and outreach ministries including Brother Agi who travels to Choir (about 5 hours by train from Ulaanbaatar)every week to hold services. The church in UlaanBaatar hopes to organize a church in Choir in the near future.

On September 12th of 2007, with the help of many Churches and people in the United States a building was purchased to be used by the NGO of the Mongolian Team. Visit their web site to learn more about the great blessing God has given to the Mongolian people.IIi

In addition to worship services, Bible Studies and ladies ministry, a children's Sunday School has been developed and is being taught and administered by Mongolian church members. We reach out to alcoholics by conducting monthly services at a government-operated rehabilitation hospital in the countryside and by offering counseling to alcoholics in Ulaanbaatar.

What an awesome God we serve! We feel so blessed to have been called to the ends of the earth to share the gospel with these precious people who have never heard. Opportunities to minister are overwhelming! Please pray for us that we will use our time and energy wisely. Please also pray that Mongolian men will surrender to God's call to minister to their fellow countrymen and that we can establish a Bible school for the training and development of church leaders.





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The Purks have, Johnson, and Cooper as Friends on Facebook!!! ::MonkeyEek::
I would bet they are related...Many of them are out of the country...missionary work?

Hmmmm
So Bill Cooper is a Pastor, too!!!!
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New Hope Missionary Baptist Church
5640 Lincoln Boulevard
Oroville, CA 95966
   
MONGOLIA

Check out his Email:
fcooper@hughes.net

Hughes & Cooper in 1 email....


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: Sister on July 21, 2009, 03:16:38 PM
Good fine!! I'll be back tomorrow.  Staying here for the duration!


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 22, 2009, 01:48:11 PM
Of ALL the places in the world to go...this couple chose Mongolia.  In particular they chose UlaanBaatar...
Where girls are kidnapped off of the streets and forced into prostitution & slavery. ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Mailing Address:
UlaanBaatar 211213
P O Box 1167
Mongolia

Send Support to:
Landmark MBC
391 Arthur Rd
Martinez, California 94553

Study: Mongolia Must Battle Increase in Human Trafficking

ubpost.mongolnews.mn/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2578&Itemid=36

GEC also interviewed 16 victims of trafficking who returned to Mongolia. Half of the women were 20-22 year-olds and one was an under-age girl who had dropped out of school. More than half had secondary educations and one had higher education. 69 percent of the women sought employment abroad to earn more money than they could in Mongolia, 37.5 percent to provide for their families, 50 percent to gain money for their education and 50 percent to gain money to start a small business in Mongolia. Women had paid US$ 100-500 to brokers, they thought they owed their brokers about US $1,000-3,000, they were promised US$2,000-3,000 per month, but 60 percent of them returned with nothing as they never received any salary and only worked to service the debt. About 20 percent had earned US$200-300 per month, but all the money had been spent on bare necessities.

NGOs have also reported on the increasing scope of domestic trafficking and organized criminal networks in Mongolia that kidnap girls from the streets or lure them through their peers, relatives or acquaintances, keep them locked in hotels and force them into prostitution. In February, 2008, during the Mongolian New Year, half a dozen girls were reported to have been kidnapped from the streets and forced into prostitution in Ulaanbaatar and Darkhan city. One of the cases involving a 17-year old girl, a daughter of a poor single mother of three, caught significant media and public attention. Victims and NGOs also reported that girls are often trafficked abroad after having been ‘tamed’ and sexually exploited in Mongolia.

The Crime of Trafficking of Women and Children in Mongolia:  The Current Situation [DOC]

2. THE CRIME OF TRAFFICKING AND SOCIAL CONDITIONS IN MONGOLIA -
There are circumstances within Mongolian society today that are suited to the trafficking  of humans. These include a direct relationship between negative social phenomena that have arisen as a result of Mongolia’s transition period. Conditions such as increased poverty, unemployment, prostitution amongst women, drug use among youth, illegal emigration of citizens abroad, illegal labor of Mongolian citizen in foreign countries (including the manufacturing of false visas and passports), and an increased interest amongst girls and women to marry foreigners, contribute to an environment in which the crime of trafficking can occur. In addition, a lack of knowledge about life abroad and naive attitudes in trusting different kinds of mediators are some of the factors that affect the crime of trafficking.

 


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 22, 2009, 02:12:38 PM
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Study: Mongolia Must Battle Increase in Human Trafficking      
Written by B.Bulgamaa   
Thursday, January 22, 2009.

Yesterday a human trafficking trial began in the Songino Khairkhan District’s court. A Mongolian national, M.Purevbat, is charged with kidnapping girls and forcing them into the sex trade. According to the charges, Purevbat may be responsible for the disappearances of 100 girls. If convicted, he could face 5- 15 years imprisonment.

The age of sex workers in Mongolia has decreased significantly. The report also states that Mongolian law favors those who solicit sex, while disproportionately punishing those who illegally provide it as a service.

Trafficking in women and children is a new phenomenon in Mongolia that arose in connection to Mongolia’s transition to a market economy, the opening of its borders, democratization and the free movement of people across borders

In 2000, two victims of trafficking were reported, whereas in the first half of 2006 alone, 127 victims were reported. Surveys conducted in Erlian indicated a growing number of Mongolian sex workers – 200 to 300 according to police estimates in 2005 – who work in the city’s red light areas. Many of them are believed to have been originally trafficked. In the first half of 2006, 20 victims sought assistance from the Mongolian Embassy in Beijing.

The most common route for trafficking is reported to be Ulaanbaatar-Erlian-Beijng-Macao, but women and girls have also been trafficked to Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, Israel, Belgium, Turkey, Malaysia, Singapore, and Eastern European countries. NGOs report that scope and nature of human trafficking is changing, becoming more organized. In all known cases, traffickers had established prior contacts with buyers in foreign countries. Based on the analysis of these cases, CHRD concluded that transnational criminal networks are operating in Mongolia.


It is also important for Mongolia to sign mutual legal aid agreements and strengthen cooperation in law enforcement with countries that serve as major destinations for trafficking in Mongolian women and children. Currently, Mongolia has agreements with 20 countries that are a part of the Vienna Convention of 1963 on consular relations (Germany, Kazakhstan, Russia, Poland, South Korea, Turkey, Hungary, China, Czech Republic, etc.), agreements on repatriation of criminal offenders with four countries (Kazakhstan, South Korea, China, India), and consular conventions with 15 countries including the USA, Russia, Hungary and Czech Republic.


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 22, 2009, 02:17:30 PM
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Selling of souls Combating human trafficking in Mongolia
Human Trafficking - Sexual exploitation

AN ENERGY from experiencing a completely different culture and lifestyle reverberates from Bridgitt Sloan McMullen as she talks about her seven-month internship working for an anti-human trafficking organization in Mongolia.

source : Terrace Standard

(...) Sloan McMullen spent seven months living and working in Mongolia’s capital city of Ulaanbaatar as an intern for the non-government organization (NGO) Mongolian Gender Equality Centre (MGEC), which works with trafficked people who have been kidnapped and forced into prostitution and or labour. (...)

Mongolia is considered a source, transit and destination country in terms of human trafficking. A transit country is a country whose territory is crossed (by any means of transport) by a victim of human trafficking in order to arrive in the destination country; a destination country is a country where trafficked people are delivered to; and a source country is a victim’s home country.

According to MGEC’s statistics, in Mongolia the majority of trafficking cases are international, with people being trafficked to bordering and nearby areas such as China, Korea and Macau. But Sloan McMullen says that trafficking within Mongolia, called domestic trafficking, is on the rise.

“At this point there is…greater international trafficking to countries like China and South Korea, trafficking to Macau and Hong Kong for sexual exploitation and forced prostitution,” says Sloan McMullen. “There’s also domestic trafficking and that has been seen as a growing trend in Mongolia…that’s with the growing mining industry, they’re seeing greater rates of prostitution and also trafficking, those can go hand in hand…There’s instances of young girls being kidnapped off the street in Ulaanbaatar and being sexually exploited in hotel rooms, so that’s another instance of domestic trafficking.” (...).

website : stoptrafficking.mn


Title: Re: Connie's Connection - Harris/Lawless
Post by: lonemonkey on July 22, 2009, 02:25:30 PM
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Mongolian Team
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