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I think he needs his own vine, eh? ::MonkeyEek::
Any monkeys that want to bring over here, to this vine, what we already have for Lane Lawless would be swell!
Looks like the devil himself...
     Pastor Clifford Lane Lawless
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# Name: Lane LAWLESS
# Given Name: Lane
# Surname: Lawless
# Sex: M

Father: George Webster LAWLESS b: 28 Apr 1892 in Fremont,Dodge,NB
Mother: Jessie DICUS

Marriage 1 Living UNKNOWN
Children
   1. Has No Children Living LAWLESS
   2. Has No Children Living LAWLESS
   3. Has No Children Living LAWLESS

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Father of the Pastor:

George Webster LAWLESS
# Given Name: George Webster
# Surname: Lawless
# Sex: M
# Birth: 28 Apr 1892 in Fremont,Dodge,NB
# Death: 11 Nov 1969 in ,,WA
# Burial: Brewster,Okanogan,WA,Brewster Cem.
# Endowment: 7 Mar 1990 Temple: SE
# Sealing Child: 23 Feb 1990 Temple: SE
# Note: REFN:



Father: James H. LAWLESS b: 15 May 1865/1866 in Rockspring,Patrick,VA
Mother: Nancy Hanse ROWLAND b: 5 Jan 1865 in Glasgow,Barron,KY

Marriage 1 Jessie DICUS

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The Pastor's Mother:

 Jessie DICUS
# Given Name: Jessie
# Surname: Dicus
# Sex: F

Marriage 1 George Webster LAWLESS b: 28 Apr 1892 in Fremont,Dodge,NB

Children

   1. Has No Children Paul LAWLESS b: 24 Jan 1927 in Brewster,Okanogon,Washington
   2. Has Children Lane LAWLESS

The Pastor's Family Tree:


                                             /Dennis LAWLESS b: Abt 1730
                                     /Thomas Byrd LAWLESS b: Abt 1759
                                     |       \Margaret SWANSON
                             /Thomas LAWLESS b: Abt 1796
                             |       \Susannah THOMAS
                     /McNealy A. [Mack] LAWLESS b: 16 Feb 1846 d: 12 Oct 1908
                     |       |               /William KEATON
                     |       |       /William KEATON b: 1785/1787 d: Bef 1870
                     |       \Zelphe_Zina [Zentha] KEATON b: Abt 1809
                     |               \Anna HAILE b: Abt 1780 d: 8 Mar 1860
             /James H. LAWLESS b: 15 May 1865/1866 d: Nov 1945
             |       |               /John NICHOLAS
             |       |       /George W. NICHOLAS b: 20 Sep 1819
             |       |       |       \Alice MACHEN
             |       \Sarah Ann NICHOLAS b: 6 Jul 1842 d: 27 Jan 1914
             |               |               /Jacob WARNER
             |               |       /Daniel WARNER b: 26 Mar 1796 d: 28 Jan 1872
             |               \Marry M. WARNER b: 1822
             |                       \Lydia COOK b: 28 May 1803 d: 16 Nov 1870
     /George Webster LAWLESS b: 28 Apr 1892 d: 11 Nov 1969
     |       |                               /John ROWLAND b: 1662 =>
     |       |                       /John ROWLAND b: 1730 d: 1 Feb 1817
     |       |                       |       \Elizabeth HAMPTON b: 1666
     |       |               /Wade Hampton ROWLAND b: 1804 d: 29 Aug 1846
     |       |               |       \Eunice (Enos) STURGEON d: Bef 1835
     |       |       /George Washington ROWLAND b: 1826 d: 1890
     |       |       |       |               /James MURPHY
     |       |       |       |       /Clement MURPHY b: 1765 d: May 1832
     |       |       |       |       |       \Elizabeth ENGLISH
     |       |       |       \Winnefred MURPHY b: 1804 d: Aug 1846
     |       |       |               |       /Ambrose JONES b: Abt 1735 =>
     |       |       |               \Mary Anne JONES
     |       |       |                       \Winifred DUNN =>
     |       \Nancy Hanse ROWLAND b: 5 Jan 1865 d: 9 Dec 1945
     |               |                       /Callam BAILEY b: 3 Nov 1720 d: 9 Aug 1787 =>
     |               |               /Callum Holman BAILEY b: 1 Jan 1749 d: 30 Dec 1842
     |               |               |       \Susannah HOLMAN b: 15 Aug 1721 d: Bef 4 Jun 1761 =>
     |               |       /William Taylor BAILEY b: 10 Sep 1799 d: 2 Sep 1868
     |               |       |       |       /John GILLIAM b: 12 Jun 1733/1736 d: 14 Sep 1794 =>
     |               |       |       \Judith Ann GILLIAM b: 4 Aug 1759 d: 1831
     |               |       |               \Sarah FERRIS b: Abt 1740 d: Abt 1807 =>
     |               \Martha Emaline BAILEY b: 2 Apr 1839
     |                       |               /Joseph SPENCER
     |                       |       /Samuel N. SPENCER b: 20 Aug 1772 d: Bef 1841
     |                       \Nancy SPENCER b: 29 Oct 1802
     |                               |       /John BAGBY b: 14 Apr 1755 d: Feb 1835 =>
     |                               \Susannah BAGBY b: 17 Apr 1778
     |                                       \Mildred UNKNOWN b: 18 May 1754 d: Nov 1823
Lane LAWLESS
     \Jessie DICUS

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Ahnentafel, Generation No. 1

1.   Lane LAWLESS. He was the son of 2. George Webster LAWLESS and 3. Jessie DICUS. He married Living UNKNOWN.
    
   

Ahnentafel, Generation No. 2

2.   George Webster LAWLESS was born 28 Apr 1892 in Fremont,Dodge,NB, and died 11 Nov 1969 in ,,WA. He was buried in Brewster,Okanogan,WA,Brewster Cem.. He was the son of 4. James H. LAWLESS and 5. Nancy Hanse ROWLAND.

3.   Jessie DICUS.
    
   

Children of Jessie DICUS and George Webster LAWLESS are:
      i.   Paul LAWLESS was born 24 Jan 1927 in Brewster,Okanogon,Washington.
1.     ii.   Lane LAWLESS. He married Living UNKNOWN.


Ahnentafel, Generation No. 3

4.   James H. LAWLESS was born 15 May 1865/1866 in Rockspring,Patrick,VA, and died Nov 1945 in ,,MO. He was the son of 8. McNealy A. [Mack] LAWLESS and 9. Sarah Ann NICHOLAS.

5.   Nancy Hanse ROWLAND was born 5 Jan 1865 in Glasgow,Barron,KY, and died 9 Dec 1945 in Omak,Okanogan,WA. She was buried 12 Dec 1945 in Brewster,Okanogan,WA,Brewster Cem.. She was the daughter of 10. George Washington ROWLAND and 11. Martha Emaline BAILEY.
    

Children of Nancy Hanse ROWLAND and James H. LAWLESS are:
      i.   Mabel Pearl LAWLESS was born 14 Feb 1891 in Tecumseh,Johnson,NB, and died 6 Nov 1959 in Brewster,Okanogan,WA. She married Leland HALEY.
2.     ii.   George Webster LAWLESS was born 28 Apr 1892 in Fremont,Dodge,NB, and died 11 Nov 1969 in ,,WA. He married Jessie DICUS.
      iii.   John Mack LAWLESS was born 23 Nov 1893 in York,York,NB, and died 6 Feb 1965 in ,,Cal..
      iv.   Zina Ellen LAWLESS was born 15 Oct 1895 in ,,NB, and died 22 Jul 1897 in ,,NB.
      v.   William Bryan LAWLESS was born 31 Aug 1897 in ,,NB, and died 15 Aug 1975 in Brewster,Okanogan,WA. He married Gladys THAYER. She was born in Brewster,Okanogan,WA.
      vi.   Ralph Devere LAWLESS was born 1 Jan 1902 in ,,NB, and died 23 May 1963 in Brewster,Okanogan,WA.
      vii.   Agnes Ada LAWLESS was born 17 Mar 1904 in Chelan,Chelan,WA, and died 10 Aug 1976 in Soap Lake,,WA. She married James Levi TURNER 1921 in Washington.
      viii.   Richard Birdette LAWLESS was born 22 Mar 1910 in Wenatchee,Chelan,Washington, and died 26 May 1962 in Brewster,Okanogan,Wash.. He married Bette June GRIMES 31 Dec 1945 in Pateros,Okanogan,Wash., daughter of Paul Jonathan GRIMES and Florence Lucile SHEPARD. She was born 27 Jun 1923 in Albion,Carter,Montana. He married Wilma (Toots) HOLT 1936 in Seattle,,WA.

Ahnentafel, Generation No. 4

8.   McNealy A. [Mack] LAWLESS was born 16 Feb 1846 in ,Patrick,VA, and died 12 Oct 1908 in Peru,Miami,Ind.. He was buried in Sprinkle Chaprl,Cem.,Cass Co. Ind.. He was the son of 16. Thomas LAWLESS and 17. Zelphe_Zina [Zentha] KEATON.

9.   Sarah Ann NICHOLAS was born 6 Jul 1842 in ,Patrick County,VA., and died 27 Jan 1914 in Peru,Miami,Ind.. She was buried in Sprinkle Chaple,Cem.,Cass Co.,Ind.. She was the daughter of 18. George W. NICHOLAS and 19. Marry M. WARNER.
    
   

Children of Sarah Ann NICHOLAS and McNealy A. [Mack] LAWLESS are:
4.     i.   James H. LAWLESS was born 15 May 1865/1866 in Rockspring,Patrick,VA, and died Nov 1945 in ,,MO. He married Nancy Hanse ROWLAND 14 May 1890 in Tecumseh,Johnson,NB, daughter of George Washington ROWLAND and Martha Emaline BAILEY. She was born 5 Jan 1865 in Glasgow,Barron,KY, and died 9 Dec 1945 in Omak,Okanogan,WA.
      ii.   Minnie LAWLESS was born 1870 in Rockspring,Patrick,VA. She married W. ELLIS in ,Patrick,VA.
      iii.   Walter R. LAWLESS was born 1873 in Rockspring,Patrick,VA. He married Evalena HOUSOUER 2 Jun 1902.
      iv.   Lillie LAWLESS was born 1875 in 1876, and died 1876.
      v.   Franklin C. LAWLESS was born 1878 in Rockspring,Patrick,VA, and died 26 Sep 1938. He married Margaret A. BLUE 12 Jan 1901.
      vi.   Violet Hazel LAWLESS was born 6 Sep 1886 in Rockspring,Patrick,VA, and died in ,,FL. She married Charles P. KOPP 3 Jun 1907.

10.   George Washington ROWLAND was born 1826 in ,,KY, and died 1890 in Glasgow,Barron,KY. He was the son of 20. Wade Hampton ROWLAND and 21. Winnefred MURPHY.

11.   Martha Emaline BAILEY was born 2 Apr 1839 in Glasgow,Barren,KY, and died in Glasgow,Barron,KY. She was the daughter of 22. William Taylor BAILEY and 23. Nancy SPENCER.
    
   

Children of Martha Emaline BAILEY and George Washington ROWLAND are:
      i.   Mary Susan ROWLAND was born 1858 in ,Barron,KY. She married Ashel C. EUBANK 1877.
      ii.   Alice Hall ROWLAND was born 1858 in ,Barron,KY, and died in Protection,,Kan.. She married Howard M. EUBANK 1877.
      iii.   William Wade ROWLAND was born 1859 in ,Barron,KY, and died Oct 1931. He married Pittsy UNKNOWN.
      iv.   Joseph B. ROWLAND was born 1861 in ,Barron,KY, and died in Enid,,Okla.. He married Lettie UNKNOWN.
      v.   LUCY Ann ROWLAND was born 6 Sep 1863 in ,Barron,KY, and died 4 Sep 1932. She married Moses E. WILBORN 6 Sep 1883.
5.     vi.   Nancy Hanse ROWLAND was born 5 Jan 1865 in Glasgow,Barron,KY, and died 9 Dec 1945 in Omak,Okanogan,WA. She married James H. LAWLESS 14 May 1890 in Tecumseh,Johnson,NB, son of McNealy A. [Mack] LAWLESS and Sarah Ann NICHOLAS. He was born 15 May 1865/1866 in Rockspring,Patrick,VA, and died Nov 1945 in ,,MO.
      vii.   Minnie Lee ROWLAND was born 1868 in ,Barron,KY.
      viii.   John C. ROWLAND was born May 1869 in ,Barron,KY, and died in Los Angles,,Cal.. He married Mary A. O`BANION.
      ix.   Grant ROWLAND was born 2 Jan 1870 in ,Barron,KY, and died 7 Feb 1955 in Inglefield,,Ind..
      x.   James T. ROWLAND was born 1871 in ,Barron,KY, and died in Thomas,,Okla.. He married May UNKNOWN.
      xi.   Judah I. ROWLAND was born 29 Aug 1873 in ,Barron,KY, and died 22 Aug 1945. She married William L. GOELLER 5 Jan 1892. He was born 19 Jan 1865, and died 2 Apr 1953.
      xii.   Martha Bell ROWLAND was born 1876 in ,Barron,KY. She married Charles PETERSON.
      xiii.   Genie Pearl ROWLAND was born 1878 in ,Barron,KY, and died 18 Mar 1951 in ,,Cal.. She married Jay MCKIBBEN.
      xiv.   Clement H. ROWLAND was born 1880 in ,Barron,KY, and died 1902 in ,,Kan..

Ahnentafel, Generation No. 5

16.   Thomas LAWLESS was born Abt 1796. He was the son of 32. Thomas Byrd LAWLESS and 33. Susannah THOMAS.

17.   Zelphe_Zina [Zentha] KEATON was born Abt 1809 in ,,VA. She was the daughter of 34. William KEATON and 35. Anna HAILE.
    
   

Children of Zelphe_Zina [Zentha] KEATON and Thomas LAWLESS are:
      i.   Francis Marion LAWLESS was born 16 Apr 1830 in ,Patrick,Virginia, and died 8 Aug 1862 in Camp Windsor,Civil War,Richmond,VA. He married unknown UNKNOWN 11 Feb 1857 in ,Patrick,VA.
      ii.   George Washington LAWLESS was born May 1833 in Patrick Co. Va., and died Aft 1902. He married Rosanna M. WASHBURN 13 Apr 1830.
      iii.   Andrew Jackson LAWLESS was born 4 May 1834 in Patrick Co. Va., and died 16 May 1864 in Civil War,Bunker Hill,Drury,s Bluff Battle. He married Harriet MCGHEE 2 Jan 1862.
      iv.   Louisa LAWLESS was born Abt 1835 in Patrick Co. VA. She married James l PEDIGO 9 Dec 1860 in Patrick Co.,VA. He was born 29 Nov 1829/1837.
      v.   Thomas Jefferson LAWLESS was born 15 Aug 1840 in Patrick Co. Va.. He married Sally Aashby EARLES 2 Mar 1862.
8.     vi.   McNealy A. [Mack] LAWLESS was born 16 Feb 1846 in ,Patrick,VA, and died 12 Oct 1908 in Peru,Miami,Ind.. He married Sarah Ann NICHOLAS 1864 in Patrick,,VA, daughter of George W. NICHOLAS and Marry M. WARNER. She was born 6 Jul 1842 in ,Patrick County,VA., and died 27 Jan 1914 in Peru,Miami,Ind..
      vii.   Susannah H. LAWLESS was born Abt 1847 in Patrick Co. Va.. She married Samual ROGERS 15 Jan 1871 in Patrick Co VA. He was born Abt 1852.

18.   George W. NICHOLAS was born 20 Sep 1819 in Pembroke,Pembroke,Wales. He was the son of 36. John NICHOLAS and 37. Alice MACHEN.

19.   Marry M. WARNER was born 1822 in ,,VA. She was the daughter of 38. Daniel WARNER and 39. Lydia COOK.
    
   

Children of Marry M. WARNER and George W. NICHOLAS are:
9.     i.   Sarah Ann NICHOLAS was born 6 Jul 1842 in ,Patrick County,VA., and died 27 Jan 1914 in Peru,Miami,Ind.. She married McNealy A. [Mack] LAWLESS 1864 in Patrick,,VA, son of Thomas LAWLESS and Zelphe_Zina [Zentha] KEATON. He was born 16 Feb 1846 in ,Patrick,VA, and died 12 Oct 1908 in Peru,Miami,Ind..
      ii.   Henry NICHOLAS was born 1843 in Fall Creek TWP,Henry Co. IN..
      iii.   James NICHOLAS was born 1844 in Fall Creek TWP,Henry Co. IN..
      iv.   Lydia NICHOLAS was born 1845 in Fall Creek TWP,Henry Co. IN..
      v.   Andrew NICHOLAS was born 1847 in Fall Creek TWP,Henrey Co. In..
      vi.   David NICHOLAS was born 1849 in Fall Creek TWP,Henrey Co. In..

20.   Wade Hampton ROWLAND was born 1804 in ,Henry,VA, and died 29 Aug 1846 in ,,KY. He was the son of 40. John ROWLAND and 41. Eunice (Enos) STURGEON.

21.   Winnefred MURPHY was born 1804 in Henry Co.,VA, and died Aug 1846 in Cumberland Co.,KY. She was the daughter of 42. Clement MURPHY and 43. Mary Anne JONES.
    
   

Children of Winnefred MURPHY and Wade Hampton ROWLAND are:
10.     i.   George Washington ROWLAND was born 1826 in ,,KY, and died 1890 in Glasgow,Barron,KY. He married Polly UNKNOWN. He married Martha Emaline BAILEY 15 Nov 1856 in Glasgow,Barron,KY, daughter of William Taylor BAILEY and Nancy SPENCER. She was born 2 Apr 1839 in Glasgow,Barren,KY, and died in Glasgow,Barron,KY.
      ii.   James C. ROWLAND was born 1830 in ,Cumberland,KY. He married Mary E. UNKNOWN.
      iii.   Thomas J. ROWLAND was born 1832 in ,Cumberland,KY. He married Laura T. UNKNOWN.
      iv.   John H. ROWLAND was born 1832 in ,Cumberland,KY. He married Sarah UNKNOWN.
      v.   Polina J. ROWLAND was born 1834 in ,Cumberland,KY. She married William M. YOUNG.
      vi.   Martha J. ROWLAND was born 1837 in ,Cumberland,KY. She married UNKNOWN GRIGGS.
      vii.   Mary S. ROWLAND was born 1840 in ,Cumberland,KY. She married A. J. GARMON.
      viii.   LUCY Ann ROWLAND was born 1842 in ,Cumberland,KY. She married Lewis TURNER.

22.   William Taylor BAILEY was born 10 Sep 1799 in ,Goochland Co.,VA, and died 2 Sep 1868 in ,Barron,KY. He was the son of 44. Callum Holman BAILEY and 45. Judith Ann GILLIAM.

23.   Nancy SPENCER was born 29 Oct 1802 in VA. She was the daughter of 46. Samuel N. SPENCER and 47. Susannah BAGBY.
    
   

Children of Nancy SPENCER and William Taylor BAILEY are:
      i.   Susan America. BAILEY was born 1824/1825 in Glasgow,Barron,KY, and died 1881 in Burton,Wilson,KS. She married William H. GLOVER 23 Jun 1842 in Glasgow,Barren,KY. He was born 1813 in KY.
      ii.   John Gilliam BAILEY was born 26 Jul 1826 in Glasgow,Barron,KY, and died 26 Feb 1919. He married Elizabeth Gilliam PERKINS 26 Nov 1846 in Glasgow,Barren,KY.
      iii.   Ann Thenia BAILEY was born 1829 in Glasgow,Barron,KY. She married William DEPP 12 Feb 1851 in Glasgow,Barren,KY, son of Peter DEPP and Mary Hanson COURTS. He was born Abt 1820.
      iv.   Callum Hollman BAILEY was born 5 Jul 1832 in ,Barron,KY, and died 24 Jun 1911. He married LUCY Kyrk SATER 1 May 1854 in Glasgow,Barren,KY. She was born 28 Feb 1837 in Glasgow,Barren,KY, and died 30 Sep 1830.
      v.   Nancy Jane BAILEY was born 1835 in Glasgow,Barron,KY. She married Joshua GARMAN 1859 in Barren Co.,KY. He was born Abt 1832 in KY.
      vi.   Mary M. BAILEY was born 11 Feb 1837 in Glasgow,Barren,KY. She married George FRANKLIN 2 Mar 1854 in ,Barren,KY. He was born 13 Dec 1832 in ,Cumberland,KY.
11.     vii.   Martha Emaline BAILEY was born 2 Apr 1839 in Glasgow,Barren,KY, and died in Glasgow,Barron,KY. She married George Washington ROWLAND 15 Nov 1856 in Glasgow,Barron,KY, son of Wade Hampton ROWLAND and Winnefred MURPHY. He was born 1826 in ,,KY, and died 1890 in Glasgow,Barron,KY.
      viii.   William Samuel Taylor BAILEY was born 22 Aug 1841 in Glasgow,Barron,KY, and died 15 Jun 1907/1908 in Elk City,Beckham,OK. He married Lavina Mobley TURNER 1868 in Kentucky. She was born 16 May 1844 in Woodburn,Barren,KY, and died 1916 in Elk City,Beckham,KY.

Ahnentafel, Generation No. 6

32.   Thomas Byrd LAWLESS was born Abt 1759 in Pittsylvania Co.,VA. He was the son of 64. Dennis LAWLESS and 65. Margaret SWANSON.

33.   Susannah THOMAS.
    
   

Children of Susannah THOMAS and Thomas Byrd LAWLESS are:
      i.   Dennis LAWLESS was born 1771/1791 in Halifax Co.,VA, and died 30 May 1859 in Mulberry,Henry,VA. He married Agnes DILLON 4 Mar 1792 in ,Henry Co. VA. She was born 1765 in VA.
      ii.   Augustine LAWLESS was born Abt 1790 in Pittsylvania Co.,VA..
16.     iii.   Thomas LAWLESS was born Abt 1796. He married Zelphe_Zina [Zentha] KEATON 10 Oct 1826 in _Patrick Co.,VA, daughter of William KEATON and Anna HAILE. She was born Abt 1809 in ,,VA. He married Polly SPENCER 10 Oct 1814 in Patrick Co.,VA., daughter of William SPENCER.
      iv.   Benjamin LAWLESS was born 1793 in Henry Co.,VA. He married Eliza BUNDREN 1824 in AL, daughter of Chaiborune BUNDREN and Mary UNKNOWN. She was born 1802 in VA.
      v.   William LAWLESS was born 1798 in Henry Co.,VA. He married Rebecca UNKNOWN. She was born 1798 in VA.
      vi.   Sarah Sally LAWLESS was born 1804 in Henry Co.,VA. She married Robert LEAKE 24 Feb 1822 in Henry Co.,VA.

34.   William KEATON was born 1785/1787, and died Bef 1870. He was the son of 68. William KEATON.

35.   Anna HAILE was born Abt 1780, and died 8 Mar 1860 in ,Patrick County,VA.
    
   

Children of Anna HAILE and William KEATON are:
17.     i.   Zelphe_Zina [Zentha] KEATON was born Abt 1809 in ,,VA. She married Thomas LAWLESS 10 Oct 1826 in _Patrick Co.,VA, son of Thomas Byrd LAWLESS and Susannah THOMAS. He was born Abt 1796.
      ii.   Tazewell KEATON was born Abt 1808 in Patrick County,VA. He married Sarah KEATON 12 Dec 1824 in Patrick County,VA. She was born Abt 1807 in Patrick County,VA.
      iii.   Mary KEATON was born Abt 1809 in ,Patrick County,VA. She married Anderson SHELTON 8 Sep 1840 in Patrick County,VA. He was born 8 Sep 1840 in Patrick County,VA.
      iv.   Jordon KEATON was born Abt 1811.
      v.   Pelina KEATON was born Abt 1815.
      vi.   Hansford KEATON was born Abt 1816 in Patrick County,VA, and died 29 Jun 1900 in ,Patrick County,VA.
      vii.   Madison KEATON was born 28 Apr 1819 in ,Patrick County,VA, and died 20 Dec 1864 in ,Elmira,New York. He married Jestin AYERS 2 Feb 1839 in Patrick County,VA. He married Sarah HUTTS 15 May 1849 in Patrick County,VA, daughter of Leonard HUTTS and Peggy FREEMAN. She was born 29 Oct 1829 in Patrick County,VA, and died 26 May 1913 in Greensboro,NC.
      viii.   Hiram KEATON was born Abt 1821 in Patrick County,VA, and died 9 Nov 1882 in Patrick County,VA.

36.   John NICHOLAS was born in ,,Wales.

37.   Alice MACHEN.
    
   

Child of Alice MACHEN and John NICHOLAS is:
18.     i.   George W. NICHOLAS was born 20 Sep 1819 in Pembroke,Pembroke,Wales. He married Marry M. WARNER 23 Aug 1840 in Henrey Co. India, daughter of Daniel WARNER and Lydia COOK. She was born 1822 in ,,VA.

38.   Daniel WARNER was born 26 Mar 1796 in ,,Pennsylvania, and died 28 Jan 1872 in Henry Co. IN.. He was the son of 76. Jacob WARNER.

39.   Lydia COOK was born 28 May 1803 in ,,Virginia, and died 16 Nov 1870 in ,Henry Co. Ind..
    
   

Children of Lydia COOK and Daniel WARNER are:
19.     i.   Marry M. WARNER was born 1822 in ,,VA. She married George W. NICHOLAS 23 Aug 1840 in Henrey Co. India, son of John NICHOLAS and Alice MACHEN. He was born 20 Sep 1819 in Pembroke,Pembroke,Wales.
      ii.   Lucinda WARNER was born in ,,Virginia.
      iii.   Peter WARNER was born 1826 in ,,Virginia, and died 30 Aug 1863 in Nashville,Tn. Civil War.
      iv.   William WARNER was born 1827 in ,,Virginia.
      v.   John WARNER was born 1829 in ,,Virginia.
      vi.   Edward WARNER was born 1830 in ,,Virginia.
      vii.   Andrew WARNER was born 1832 in ,,Virginia.
      viii.   Noah WARNER_W. was born 1834 in ,,Indiana, and died in Sulphur Springs,Jefferson,Ind..
      ix.   George_W. WARNER was born 1837 in ,,Indiana.
      x.   James_Polk WARNER was born 1844 in ,,Indiana.

40.   John ROWLAND was born 1730 in ,Knox,Tenn., and died 1 Feb 1817 in Henry Co.,VA. [maybe[. He was the son of 80. John ROWLAND and 81. Elizabeth HAMPTON.

41.   Eunice (Enos) STURGEON was born in ,Henry,VA, and died Bef 1835.
    
   

Children of Eunice (Enos) STURGEON and John ROWLAND are:
      i.   John Q. ROWLAND was born 1730 in ,,TN, and died 1829. He married Sarah UNKNOWN.
      ii.   Gilbert ROWLAND was born in ,,TN, and died 27 Nov 1827. He married Nancy SMILEY. He married Polly BAULDIN 24 Mar 1811.
      iii.   Archabald ROWLAND was born in ,,TN. He married Polly UNKNOWN.
      iv.   Washington ROWLAND was born in ,Henry,VA. He married Nancy BAULDIN 26 Aug 1815.
      v.   George H. ROWLAND was born in ,Knox,TN, and died 26 Nov 1823. He married LUCY MURPHY.
20.     vi.   Wade Hampton ROWLAND was born 1804 in ,Henry,VA, and died 29 Aug 1846 in ,,KY. He married Winnefred MURPHY Abt 1825 in ,Cumberland,KY, daughter of Clement MURPHY and Mary Anne JONES. She was born 1804 in Henry Co.,VA, and died Aug 1846 in Cumberland Co.,KY.
      vii.   Sally M. ROWLAND was born in ,,VA. She married Alexander HUNTER 9 Jan 1809 in Henry Co VA.
      viii.   Nancy ROWLAND was born in ,,VA. She married James T. HUTCHENS.
      ix.   Elizabeth ROWLAND was born in ,,VA, and died 5 Feb 1828. She married William HEARD? 12 Aug 1809.
      x.   Polina ROWLAND was born in ,,VA. She married Reuben ALEXANDER.

42.   Clement MURPHY was born 1765, and died May 1832 in Cumberland Co.,KY. He was the son of 84. James MURPHY and 85. Elizabeth ENGLISH.

43.   Mary Anne JONES. She was the daughter of 86. Ambrose JONES and 87. Winifred DUNN.
    
   

Children of Mary Anne JONES and Clement MURPHY are:
      i.   Joseph_T. MURPHY.
      ii.   Polly MURPHY. She married John RILEY.
      iii.   LUCY MURPHY was born 1798 in Patrick Co. Va.. She married Jeremiah FRANKLIN.
21.     iv.   Winnefred MURPHY was born 1804 in Henry Co.,VA, and died Aug 1846 in Cumberland Co.,KY. She married Adam J. GARMON. She married Wade Hampton ROWLAND Abt 1825 in ,Cumberland,KY, son of John ROWLAND and Eunice (Enos) STURGEON. He was born 1804 in ,Henry,VA, and died 29 Aug 1846 in ,,KY.
      v.   Elizabeth MURPHY. She married Ephraim BALL.

44.   Callum Holman BAILEY was born 1 Jan 1749 in Owens Creek,Louisa,VA, and died 30 Dec 1842 in ,Barron,KY. He was the son of 88. Callam BAILEY and 89. Susannah HOLMAN.

45.   Judith Ann GILLIAM was born 4 Aug 1759 in ,Goochland,VA, and died 1831 in ,Barron,KY. She was the daughter of 90. John GILLIAM and 91. Sarah FERRIS.
    
   

Children of Judith Ann GILLIAM and Callum Holman BAILEY are:
      i.   Elizabeth BAILEY was born 3 Apr 1776 in ,,Goochland Co. VA, and died Mar 1864 in ,Barron,Kentucky. She married Dabney SLAYTON 3 Apr 1800 in ,Goochland,Virginia, son of William SLAYTON and Sarah GROOM. He was born 22 Jun 1776 in ,,Virginia, and died 11 Dec 1811 in ,Barron,Kentucky.
      ii.   Callum Holman BAILEY was born 1782 in ,Goochland,Co.Va.
      iii.   John G. BAILEY was born 1782 in ,,Goochland,Co. VA. He married Elizabeth PERKINS 26 Apr 1846.
      iv.   Jesse BAILEY was born 1781 in ,,Goochland Co. VA.
      v.   Jacob G. BAILEY was born 25 Dec 1786 in ,,Goochland Co. VA, and died 27 Jul 1872. He married Catherine MADDOX 23 Dec 1813.
      vi.   Patsy T. BAILEY was born 1789 in ,Goochland Co.,VA. She married UNKNOWN FREEMAN.
      vii.   Sally F. BAILEY was born 1787 in ,Goochland Co. VA. She married Robert F. LANE 1815.
      viii.   Nancy BAILEY was born 1794 in ,,Goochland Co. VA. She married Robert or_Reuben SHIPLEY 26 Jul 1817.
22.     ix.   William Taylor BAILEY was born 10 Sep 1799 in ,Goochland Co.,VA, and died 2 Sep 1868 in ,Barron,KY. He married Nancy SPENCER 1 Mar 1824 in ,Barron,KY,Mt.Vernon Church, daughter of Samuel N. SPENCER and Susannah BAGBY. She was born 29 Oct 1802 in VA.
      x.   Susan BAILEY was born 1793 in ,,Goochland Co. VA. She married James LOYD 10 Jun 1820.
      xi.   Polly BAILEY was born 1800 in ,,Goochland Co. VA. She married Stephen LOYD 12 Jan 1822.

46.   Samuel N. SPENCER was born 20 Aug 1772, and died Bef 1841 in Glasgow,Barron,Kentucky. He was the son of 92. Joseph SPENCER.

47.   Susannah BAGBY was born 17 Apr 1778. She was the daughter of 94. John BAGBY and 95. Mildred UNKNOWN.
    
   

Children of Susannah BAGBY and Samuel N. SPENCER are:
      i.   Samuel SPENCER was born 21 Mar 1798 in Virginia.
      ii.   John Hansford SPENCER was born 2 May 1800, and died 26 Apr 1855. He married Drucilla DEAN 10 Jul 1837.
23.     iii.   Nancy SPENCER was born 29 Oct 1802 in VA. She married William Taylor BAILEY 1 Mar 1824 in ,Barron,KY,Mt.Vernon Church, son of Callum Holman BAILEY and Judith Ann GILLIAM. He was born 10 Sep 1799 in ,Goochland Co.,VA, and died 2 Sep 1868 in ,Barron,KY.
      iv.   Lucinda SPENCER was born 15 Apr 1804. She married Elias NICHOLS 1825.
      v.   William SPENCER was born 20 Jan 1806 in Tennessee. He married Elizabeth N. BISHOP 1 Sep 1825.
      vi.   James T. SPENCER was born 3 Apr 1808.
      vii.   Daniel SPENCER was born 28 Feb 1810, and died 1860 in Barren Co.,Kemtucky. He married Martha HILTOM 14 Jan 1833.
      viii.   Elizabeth SPENCER was born 10 Jun 1812. She married John BRODY 13 Jan 1834.
      ix.   Mildred SPENCER was born 18 Aug 1815, and died Abt 1892. She married George NICHOLS 3 May 1839.
      x.   George M. SPENCER was born 28 May 1817 in Glasgow,,Kentucky, and died 18 Nov 1877 in Fredonia,Wilson,Kansas. He married Isabella RENICK 13 Dec 1838 in Glasgow,Barren,Ky.. She was born 15 Jan 1817, and died 20 Apr 1904 in Fredonia,Wilson,Kansas.

okay I might be wrong about this, but I have looked and looked and looked, in every state, all over.

there is no marriage record for clifford or lane lawless and connie harris. 
there is no birth record for any clifford or lane lawless that would fit CLL
there is no cali birth record for their son brian lane lawless
according to brian l lawless' marriage to judy a purks he is born about 1961

they are married in august of 1980 and he is 19, so if he were born in october of 1960 he had not had his 20th birthday yet so he would be 19 if this is him below...
the only cali birth I find even remotely at all that might be it would be:

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Lane B Lawless
Name: Lane B Lawless  
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1960  
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Baker  
Birth County: Los Angeles  

so IF this is him, he has a different mother, eithe CLL had a baby with someoe else, or he is adopted and named the lawless name.  OR this is not him.  but then where is his birth record?  was he born out of state on a visit somewhere?

lets go see if julie lawless and brett lawless have a birth record



 
 

in previous post I meant joni and brett, not julie

I can't find a cali birth record for joni lawless

the only cali birth record I find for a brett lawless is this one:
again some other mother out of fresno, either this is not him, or this is him and something is very wrong again.

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Brett E Lawless
Name: Brett E Lawless  
Birth Date: 26 Jul 1966
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Hardin   
Birth County: Fresno   

let me try to find a marriage license for the right brett lawless and compare the birth dates, who did brett marry?
 

this is the brett e lawless in the previous post

LAWLESS, BRETT ELDON (Age 42)

Associated names:

 LAWLESS, BRETT F
 LOWLESS, BRETT E
 CITRUS HEIGHTS, CA
LIMESTONE, ME
SACRAMENTO, CA
CLOVIS, CA
SPOKANE, WA
ANTELOPE, CA
BARKSDALE AFB, LA
BOSSIER CITY, LA
RANCHO CORDOVA, CA
FAIRCHILD AFB, WA
MATHER AIR FORCE BASE, CA  
Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, STACI MARIE (Age 41)
LAWLESS, BLAIR A (Age 41)
LAWLESS, RAYMOND G (Age 62)
LAWLESS, LINDA V (Age 25)
LOW, C A

Possible Roommates / Associates:

STACI, M LAWLESS




.  LAWLESS, BRETT E
 CITRUS HTS, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, STACI M 

Name: Brett E Lawless  
Birth Date: Jul 1966  
Address: 216 Johnson Av, Mather Air Force Base, California 95655-0101 (1991)
[3466 Data Dr, Rancho Cordova, California 95670-1101 (1990)]
[Pob 2176 Psc 1, Mather Air Force Base, California 95655]

so the one above in the previous 2 posts is NOT THE RIGHT BRETT

HERE IS THE RIGHT ONE

LAKEWOOD, CA
WHITTIER, CA
BELLFLOWER, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, MARY ELISABETH (Age 45)


 LAKEWOOD, CA
WHITTIER, CA
PARAMOUNT, CA
BELLFLOWER, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, BRETT ARTHUR (Age 45)
____________________________

SO.. where is the birth record for the right brett arthur lawless?

let me go look under that middle name.
 

for Francis Marion Lawless above
Child 1 Francis Marion Lawless
Born, 16 April, 1830, in Patrick County, Va
Died 8 August, 1862

Married 11 February, 1857, in Patrick County, Virginia

Cinthia  (Zenia)  J. Keaton
B 1836
   Child 1 Joseph H Lawless
   B 1860

DD, you might want to check out post #929 and also page 81 on Blink original.  It may have info you are looking for.  Also I believe Brett married a Mary Elizabeth, but I could be wrong.

yes he did marry a mary elizabeth, and these names and ages fit, but what are they doing getting married in minnesota?  was he in the military there?

Minnesota Marriage Collection, 1958-2001
about Brett A Lawless
Name: Brett A Lawless  
Gender: Male 
Birth Date: abt 1964
Age: 23 
   
Spouse: Mary E Silseth
Gender: Female 
Spouse Birth Date: abt 1965
Spouse Age: 22 
   
Marriage Date: 2 May 1987
Filing Location (County): Hennepin 
State: Minnesota  

do they have relatives there?
 

5.  CONSTANCE LORENE4 HARRIS (IRENE3 COOPER, EFFIE JOETTA2 SMITHSON, MARY E1 DODSON) was born August 06, 1941 in Monterey County, California, USA.  She married CLIFFORD "LANE" LAWLESS, son of GEORGE LAWLESS and JESSIE DICUS. 
   
Children of CONSTANCE HARRIS and CLIFFORD LAWLESS are:
   i.   BRETT5 LAWLESS.
7.   ii.   BRIAN L LAWLESS, b. 1961.
   iii.   JONI LAWLESS, m. HUGHES.

I look and cannot find a birth date of Clifford.

there are no birth records for clifford lane lawless or any of the kids.   ::MonkeyDevil::

the only place the dates are coming from is either estimated dates from marriage records or the street address sometimes list an approx age.  there are no birth records.  how crazy.  where the heck were they all born at?  there is no marriage record for connie and cll.

there is NOTHING.  what the heck.  whose kids are these?  where are there birth records?

hmmm, I have one other place I can go look LOL

and what the heck is up with the national roofing company with CLL and connies sister which was started in 1958, 2 yrs before connie and cll are married.  Its listed at 812 Trinity street in manteca, in some older 2 bdrm house. sure!  LOL

and the you have the other lawless in grants pass who are on the lawless roofing company, but they have it in redding california LOL

something really crazy going on. 

I wonder where melissa's son's birth record is?  too many kids just popping up out of nowhere with no records.

DD, I have searched and find no reference to Minnesota (sp).  Everything else from Maryland to Hawaii and Maine to Florida.

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keep an eye out for anything out of bailey county texas.

ok, will do . . . tomorrow . . . oh, it is tomorrow.
Night for real this time.

yes I have to get to sleep also.  this stuff is just driving me nuts.  it worries me when you see so many kids and no birth records, especially with a family who likes to HIDE kids away.  ugh. 

Here's what I have picked out this morning:  Mary E. Dodson, Lamar, TX (#17 Gen.)
Margaret Ann Peggy Sutton died in Texas (#44 Gen); children of Amos Lawless and Mary Collier, James died in Lufkin Texas, Arthur died in Panola County, Texas, Lenoard born in Dallas, Dewit Dommie Doyle D. D. born in Harrison Texas; brother of Amosn James Howard died in Panola County and his son Amos died in Panola.  Also, lots of these Lawless have that Canada connection (#51 Gen).  Also, Paul G., brother of CLL was born in Maryland, and uncle Ralph was born in Canada.

I do not think this Connie and Lane's son Brett...
His middle name is Arthur.

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http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp (http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp)


1.    LAWLESS,�BRETT�ARTHUR (Age 45)
   Available(5)    Available    
LAKEWOOD,�CA
WHITTIER,�CA
BELLFLOWER,�CA    

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS,�MARY�ELISABETH�(Age�45)� <----------------WIFE ?



   

Hey
WHY isn't Paul listed as Lane's brother in the ABOVE post?????? ::MonkeyEek::

This gives me a creepy feeling, Monkeys!
It would seem someone is/was a mid-wife...
Perhaps, this is why we cannot find birth records for MH's baby boy.
I don't think her medical bills were for a baby because if you are poor enough (on paper) the state will pay! And I believe she would qualify for Medi-Cal.
Now, a drug rehab. stay is more gray.  She could have been charged for that....

correct, this is not the right brett. I looked up more on this one and had posted farther down after that post with docs to prove it is not the right one.  there is no records for the correct brett

DoubleD
Do you think there is a possiblity that Lane assumed Paul's identity or vice versa?

because I was only doing the "DIRECT LINE" down all the way through, not adding all the brothers and sisters of everyone.   ::MonkeyWink::DIRECT LINES follow straight through from just the mother and father down to the person you are ending up with, in this case melissa huckaby.  CLL is her direct line, but CLL's brother is not. 

Paul George lawless the brother of CLL should be in the other reports.  However, there are a lot of the people left out all the way through because at the time I did not have a lot of the other names yet.  I will try to go through them again and update the other reports with the new info. 

I'm not convinced that the Pastor didn't fiddle with his identity and possibly took on his brother's life...So would he be Lane or Paul? ::MonkeyNoNo::

well again , anything is possible.  being paul was dead it would be easy to pick up his ID and use it, but it seems it is the clifford lane lawless name which is the one being used by "LANE" ( whoever the heck he really is LOL)  His relatives seem to call him "LANE".  he is in news articles visiting the family as "LANE".  so has he used that name all of his life?  or when did he decide to use it instead of clifford.  now using the middle name is very common.  but what name is he getting married under and what names are his kids born under.  they certainly are not having their births recorded under the names they are going by.  where are these birth records.  was he oversees in the military? where they born out of country? are they born under other names and adopted?


let me try something else

See post #2 in Genealogy section
Children of GEORGE LAWLESS and JESSIE DICUS are:
5.   i.   CLIFFORD "LANE"3 LAWLESS.
   ii.   PAUL GEORGE LAWLESS, b. January 24, 1927; d. March 26, 1997, Hyattsville, Prince Georges, Maryland, United States of America.

Paul George was born in Maryland.
 :study:

okay, I know a little bit more about what I am looking for than I say ::MonkeyWink::  Not about this case, but about some other things which I have wondered this case might connect to.  ugh... so there is a reason why I specifically want people to keep an eye out for anything bailey county texas.  There has been known to be "fake birth records" coming out of that county for years.  These records don't necessarily state the child was born there, they just originate through there.  So if any of the people in this family has ties to there, I want to know about it. ::MonkeyWink::

Me getting confused, there is a Landon L. Lawless out of OK that uses the name Lane Lawless, as he is the resident agent of Lane Lawless, Inc. (see post #97 in Blink org.).
I guess that's why I call Clifford "Clifford" or CLL.  Trust me, it doesn't take much to confuse me at all (which makes doing research on these families sooooo much fun).   :2brickwall:
When I get lost, I don't feel bad.

well there really should be a birth record for him in the state of washington.  there should be a marriage license for him in stanislaus county/modesto calif, if the church records are not lies.  And his kids should be born in either washington or cali.  Now that is just common sense  ::MonkeyDevil::

lets go to paul's death record and see where he got his ss#...

he could be using anyone's made up name. ::MonkeyDevil::
but if the harris' knew him since the mid 1950's, then he must have that name that far back, unless they knew him under another name.  but also, didn't the brother of connie say he went to school with him, did I read that or not LOL  if he really did say that, then how did he go to school with him if cll was in his 20's in the mid 50's; he would not have still been in school.   
well there really should be a birth record for him in the state of washington.  there should be a marriage license for him in stanislaus county/modesto calif, if the church records are not lies.  And his kids should be born in either washington or cali.  Now that is just common sense  ::MonkeyDevil::

lets go to paul's death record and see where he got his ss#...

he died in maryland, does not say where he was born.  but somewhere I think it is stated he was born in brewster wa?

 vii.   Madison KEATON was born 28 Apr 1819 in ,Patrick County,VA, and died 20 Dec 1864 in ,Elmira,New York. He married Jestin AYERS 2 Feb 1839 in Patrick County,VA.

Lone -- this is from your info.  I knew I had read the name Madison before, but guess what, this Madison name from the Lawless family is a male.  Now, what's up with that.
I like the name, I know females with that name, but if I knew it was a family name for a male . . . see there I go again, getting confused!

1930  United States Federal Census
about P George Lawless
Name: P George Lawless  
Home in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington  
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1926 
Relation to Head-of-house: Son 
Father's Name: George W
Mother's Name: Jessie G
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
George W Lawless 37 
Jessie G Lawless 24 
P George Lawless 3 4/12   

okay paul is 3 years old in brewster, in 1930.  so where were george and jessie inn 1927? where they already in brewster?  cll if born in 1931 according to his age now, and his address records, where they still living in brewster in 1931?
 
 

So far this about the best I can come up with!
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http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi (http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi)


PAUL LAWLESS    24 Jan 1927   26 Mar 1997 (V)   20781 (Hyattsville, Prince Georges, MD)   (none specified)   531-**-****   Washington

So, is this saying that he died in Maryland and it's verified?
Hmmm, then if Paul existed he died in Maryland in 1997...
The Lawless' moved to the MHP in 1997 (?), right.  Can we establish where they were before the Clover Baptist Church in Tracy?...
I'm sure it's all here ...just have to find it! Lol... ::MonkeyConfused::

This stuff is very confusing!!!
And I am not so sure it isn't on purpose!

Blink suggested a while back, to start new branches (topics), to keep our info sort of organized.  If you come up with a vine idea...
I'd say GO FOR IT! ::MonkeyWink::

1931 - Clifford Lane Lawless born in August, currently age 77, tho some reports say 67

1941 - Connie L Harris born in August

1943 - Arthur DeWayne Harris (Connie's brother) born

1950 - Lane attended Brewster High School, on debate squad in Brewster WA 

1950s - Lane was in the US Navy, unknown which years
hmmmm, children born while he was in the Navy???? I really don't know.

I have NO idea HOW much person-power LE is able to devote to this case...
Just the Geneaology alone takes a team!!!!
 

Lone, you are so right!  I hope the use whatever info is here that is helpful.  We want Justice for Sandra!!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

in 1945 paul george goes into the military from okanogan washingtonnn. that is the county for brewster.

he is not married in 1945.  he has been through 4 years of high school.  he is born in 1927, so he is 18 years old, through high school and joins the military.  if ccll is really born in 1931, then cll should still be in high school and should be about 14 years old.

being paul george is not married and is just out of hs, he MIGHT be still living with his parents. if so they are still in okanogan county, probably brewster.  let me see where the harris family was living in 1945-1950. 

yes this is the social security death records, they are usually correct, it is safe to use them as a record.  the washington on there means he got his ss card in state of washington. 

as for where was cll at this time,  there is in the "genealogy thread no discussion"  the timeline of cll.  the dates are in blue, should be easy to spot it, most likely on page 2

Ok Here's something interesting...  ::MonkeyRoll::
The link will not let me copy the text...
So check it out:
http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/news/People_v_Melissa_Huckaby_-_Court_Minute_Order_052209.pdf (http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/news/People_v_Melissa_Huckaby_-_Court_Minute_Order_052209.pdf)

On May 22, 2009 a document is filedwith the courts stating that a cadillac taken as evidence was returned to Collette Plummber.
I can find NOTHING on this person!  Is a fancy way of saying Jane Doe or what???

Oh me, too!!!!!!!!!
That would be a prayer answered, wouldn't it???
I know this image is BIG...but this is such a dark case...and there have been so many lately (Nevaeh last nite)
I just wanted to share a little love and light!!!!
God Bless The CHILDREN (and Monkeys)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg193/vjones60/Angels/7yduk1v.gif)

I really doubt they go through all the genealogy, it's just too time consuming.  And they have ncic files they can use that will show associates of anyone.  But they miss a lot if they do not know how everyone is related.  And the thing about people born even in the 50's, 60's 70's, it was so easy to become someone else, use someone elses birth certificate, make up a name and get a driver's license.  They can't possibly know someone is using fake names unless they start digging.  If you go get someone elses birth certificate, then use it to get a driver's license, then when the cops run the name through it will come up valid, they won't know. 

so this is a 1996 cadillac, who did they take that one from? 

they spell the name plummber, but the only one I find is plummer,

PLUMMER, COLLETTE M (Age 66)
 TRACY, CA
CASTRO VALLEY, CA
SAN LEANDRO, CA
STOCKTON, CA
PIONEER, CA
WEST COVINA, CA

Possible Relatives:

PLUMMER, SIDNEY C (Age 63)
PLUMMER, COLETTE M
FOWLER, LAURA JEAN (Age 53)
PLUMMER, WARREN DOUGLAS (Age 59) 




PLUMMER, WARREN DOUGLAS (Age 59)
  SAN LEANDRO, CA
PINE GROVE, CA there are 2 pine groves in cali, one is outside of jackson northeast of stockton /ione, the other is up outside of redding, shasta county
RENO, NV
SACRAMENTO, CA
PIONEER, CA pioneer is by the pine grove outside of jackson/ione, so the pine grove is probably that one,these are tiny mt towns

Possible Relatives:

PLUMMER, COLLETTE M (Age 66)
PLUMMER, SIDNEY C (Age 63)
FOWLER, LAURA JEAN (Age 53)
PLUMMER, GALYNN S (Age 57)
 

Lone, thanks, I needed that.  What a beautiful picture.
DD, yes, I must confess I forged (I hope that statute of limitations has run out) a marriage certificate for a friend.  She wanted to see her boyfriend who was in jail, and the rule then was only family or spouse.  So I made her his spouse.  Lordy, if someone kept that and entered that info into a ledger/computer . . . how often when we're young we think no harm, no foul.

Hey...
I gotta get to my daily tasks...
But I'll be back later!!
Great Work,
 Lm ::MonkeyWink::

So maybe just a Type-O?
The doc says evidence AND a cadillac!  Wonder what else???
I'll be back later this afternoon...gotta get some work done other than monkey-work! ::MonkeyWink::
  Lm

Case of People v. Melissa Huckaby
filed 5/22/09
further arraingment (sp) today at 1 p.m. in San Joquina

well I don't want to clutter up this thread so will just do a quick rundown
warren douglas plummer is born feb 15 1950 in sacrameto, mother nee name is bagley, he is born in alameda
he married Galynn S Sprott march 18, 1972 in alameda city
he's at these addresses in sacramento
290 03966c07 Eca #06159, Sacramento, California 95832-0801 (1993)
[1760 Neihart Av, Sacramento, California 95832-0701 (1993)]
[176 Neihert Av, Sacramento, California 95832

I don't know if this is the same person
Warren D Plummer
Address: 966 N Mitchner Av, Indianapolis, Indiana 46219-0801 (1992)

______________________

now he is listed with colette m plummer

so who is her to collette.  and who did they take this car from ? her? or someone else who had it in her name?
If you want me to do a lot of work on this, we can start a new thread.

DD, am about done for a while.  What towns are in Bailey County -- don't know Texas geography very well, in case I find a town reference.

I'll find them and post them.

okay under addresses brett is connected to I have him as being born in 1963, hopefully they put the right birth year LOL

Name: Brett A Lawless
Birth Date: 1963  
Phone Number: 867-2947
Address: 6023 Graywood Av, Lakewood, California 90712-1101 (1992)
[14601 Liblen, Bellflower, California 90706-1101 (1988)]


at the graywood, lakewood address is
LAKEWOOD, CA
WHITTIER, CA
BELLFLOWER, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, MARY ELISABETH (Age 45)




 LAKEWOOD, CA
WHITTIER, CA
PARAMOUNT, CA
BELLFLOWER, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, BRETT ARTHUR (Age 45)
 
they are at the other address aslo, at both of these addresses there are a lot of other names listed, I won't post them all on this thread, but there are two that stick out

ROBERSON, EVELYN CHARLETTE (Age 77)
this one because of the last name roberson
LEONETTI, MAKIESA RASHAUN (Age 35)
this one because I saw this last name as a nee name to some lawless yesterday, now to find out where ugh

are these the parents of the above brett lawless?

California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about John E Lawless
Name: John E Lawless
Age: 28 
Est. Birth: abt 1932 
Spouse Name: Jean C Baker
Spouse Age: 19 
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1941 
Date: 13 Feb 1960
Location: Imperial 
 
he would be born 8 1/2 months after they are married

just making a note, there was someone born in imperial also where is that at now

ugh in the previous post I meant lane B lawless, not brett

DD, will you do an enlistment record for Clifford Lane Laneless (may be just Lane)?  He went in the Navy in 1969 -- boy that doesn't make sense does it -- must be just Lane Lawless see post #369 on Blink original.

I can't find him anywhere, I find his father and brother, but not him.  not clifford, not lane, not anyone that might be him. hmmm

it's possible I am missing it, but I can't find it.

I think my mind is mush tonight...
Need coffee and a good night sleep!
I have 5 teenagers having a sleepover tonight!!!! ::MonkeyDevil::
  Lm

I have so many names in my head, that when I am looking for something on one person, I bump into something that goes with someone else, then I get distracted and get over on another line, and forget what I am doing  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I posted this in the timothy thread, guess I should post it in the pastor lawless thread here


there are so many lawless lines now, I can't keep up with looking all this stuff up.  I have a pretty good idea of who is who for the most part but there are some really weird things going on with the CLL line.  Just too many things make no sense and there are too many non-existent records.  The only place he shows up as clifford lane lawless is on his addresses in tracy, still can't find a marriage record or birth records for his kids or military record for him. 

sometimes it states he is baptized in washington, sometimes stockton cali.  he is said to be married in modesto on the same day as baptized in washington, there is no marriage record in modesto, stanislaus county.  was said he was at the airport church in modesto, now they do not mention modesto at all and now he is baptized in stockton cali.  His records for going to school for ministry is all messed up, the dates don't jive at all.  Now he is ordained in Winton cali, in merced county, south of modesto.  He's all over the place from 1971-1981 and the areas he is in, on the dates he is there are pretty interesting to me.

his father remarried in 1955, he was 24 years old then IF he is born in 1931.  so he did not grow up with his step-mother, he grew up with his father and I am not sure when his mother left with supposedly "lucky louie".  his father is on the census as born in nebraska sometimes at other times he is born in north dakota.  he knows where his parent are bor sometimes, other times it states unknown.  his grandfather disappeared for 20 years, shows back up for a few months then disappears again.  his uncle disappears.  there are no tother kids but he and his brother and his mother is young, and his father does not remarry until he is old, so why are there no other kids.  I can't find clifford lane lawless anywhere with these people other than some news articles and his own info he put out there on his addresses. 

I'm going to get his dates of where he was at when, and see what all is going on at the time.  I think it will be very interesting.

I really appreciate this explanation DD!
You are very good at that!!!
After reading and thinking about what you wrote....
I really wonder about "Clifford Lane Lawless"....
I really wonder if this is a fake identity?!
IS Gary Lawless Sr. a wanted sex offender?
If he is ...
I really wonder if Lane and Gary are not the same person???

Monkey Thoughts??? ::MonkeyCool::
  Lm

Here's some more photos of the Pastor and the Lawless Clan...

2 of the Pastor's 3 children - Joni & Brian
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/screlativesatSJCJ4-11.jpg)

Melissa's Mom & Dad - Brian & Judy Lawless
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/DSC04930.jpg)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/DSC04933.jpg)

Brett Lawless
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/scmhfamily3brettlawless.jpg)

I cannot see Melissa's mom Judy very clearly in the above pics...
But from what I can see...
Melissa does not look like them to me... ::MonkeyEek::
I wonder where she got such dark wavy hair from???  The woman in the photo witht he baby in the Timothy Lawless thread looks more related to Melissa than do her parents, imo.

Brian & Judy Lawless (MH parents)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/DSC04933.jpg)
Brian - Dad (guess that's where she gets that odd forehead from)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/006-3.jpg)

Melissa
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/schuckabitchchargedwithmurder.jpg)

Tim and Marie Gomes
(http://adoptionnetwork.com/adoption-testimonials/pictures/gomes1.jpg)

I have not seen a pic of her mom, is this her mom??? I was figuring MH looked like her, so far she does not resemble the people we have seen.
Funny story,
I have a brother who looks like no one in my family, turns out after we found some old pics my aunt had in her basement, he takes after a great uncle on our dads side. We used to tease him he was the "milk mans" son  or was adopted, lol.   

yea I guess they do share a forehead,lol

I believe that is Judy Lawless walking in to the court house or jail...
Like I said I know it's a fuzzy shot...but sheesh!
I wonder if there is any baby switching/adoption going on in?  Remember how MH would threaten her ex with taking Madison to Grants Pass and he would never see her again! 

I would nothing past this family! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have always wanted too know about Judy lawless nee Purks
But I can not find anything on her. She is sure quiet about
everything.

She has kept out of everything, hasn't she.

Indeed...
All we *know* is that Judy Lawless took Melissa's daughter to Grants Pass, Oregon around the time MH was arrested.  According To John Huckaby (baby daddy), he went to Grants Pass with a court order to get his daughter.  Judy apparently, took the child back to So. Cal before JH could get there and filed her own custody papers with the court, iirc.

Perhaps we should start a new vine on Judy... ::MonkeyEek::
  Lm

I would start it but I have nothing to go on..lol
That is a good reason to start one huh monkeys?
We don't know about the Judy Lawless nee purks ::MonkeyWink::

~Love!~

I find her actions of taking the girl across statelines and holding her away from the dad who has some kind of visitation kind of "gutsy" kwim? NOt a very christian value sort of thing if you ask me. Also we hear about this other child, a boy who no one seems to have talked about before this. No father has stepped up and said anything. What is with that? Such mystery surrounds this family, why?
I think we should look into the woman who raised MH and now seems to protect her. There maybe something going on there.

Yea, not much is known except for she hides her grandchildren and has raised MH.

Well that came out sort of snotty, I didin't mean it that way!

I am sticking this in the clifford lane lawless thread.  this is not him, too old, but it is in OK where the lane lawless is, and this is a clifford lawless, which are very hard to find this name at all with any lawless line, so it might be that somewhere CLL connects to these.  I will look them up later, I am in the middle of the purks stuff right now but ran into this

also there is the newton name

. Henry Patrick3 Lawless (Patrick James2, James Patrick1) was born 14 Oct 1885 in Barton county, Mo, and died 1965 in _- Okla City, Okla ??. He married Virginia Newton in Mo, daughter of Kenneth Newton and Elmira Henry. She was born 02 Oct 1890 in Ark., and died in _ Okla City, Okla?.


Children of Henry Lawless and Virginia Newton are:

20 i. Ray W.4 Lawless, born Abt. 1913 in Mo; died in ___.

21 ii. Helen Lawless, born Abt. 1915 in Mo; died in ___.

22 iii. Clifford Lawless, born Abt. 1916 in Mo; died in ___.  too old to be the right one but might be related.

23 iv. Hester Lawless, born Abt. 1919 in Mo; died in ___.

Hi everyone. haven't been on here in awhile but found some lawless Info

Here is the link to Lawless Military records (Army)
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/display-partial-records.jsp?f=3475&mtch=365&q=lawless&cat=all&dt=893&tf=F


And this one is interesting a Clifford L Lawless

http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=365&cat=all&tf=F&q=lawless&bc=&rpp=10&pg=4&rid=1948538&rlst=1911040,1948538,1977901,2016102,2037913,2039528,2046240,2049897,2071847,2083250


Other records and links
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/free-text-search-results.jsp?cat=all&q=lawless&btnSearch=Search&as_alq=&as_anq=&as_epq=&as_woq=

http://www.archives.gov/research/tools/



Hope this helps a little in your research!

Hey Thanks Izzy!!
You ROCK & ROLL!  ::cartwheel::

Thanks Izzy!
Snipped:
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=365&cat=all&tf=F&q=lawless&bc=&rpp=10&pg=4&rid=1948538&rlst=1911040,1948538,1977901,2016102,2037913,2039528,2046240,2049897,2071847,2083250 (http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=365&cat=all&tf=F&q=lawless&bc=&rpp=10&pg=4&rid=1948538&rlst=1911040,1948538,1977901,2016102,2037913,2039528,2046240,2049897,2071847,2083250)

Not sure if this the Pastor...

Field Title     Value     Meaning
ARMY SERIAL NUMBER    20418512    20418512
NAME    LAWLESS#CLIFFORD#L######    LAWLESS#CLIFFORD#L######
RESIDENCE: STATE    42    FLORIDA
RESIDENCE: COUNTY    109    ST JOHNS
PLACE OF ENLISTMENT    4280    ST AUGUSTINE FLORIDA
DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY    25    25
DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH    11    11
DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR    40    40
GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATION    PVT#    Private
GRADE: CODE    8    Private
BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATION    INF    Infantry
BRANCH: CODE    10    Infantry
FIELD USE AS DESIRED    #    #
TERM OF ENLISTMENT    0    Undefined Code
LONGEVITY    ###    ###
SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL    7    National Guard
NATIVITY    52    KENTUCKY
YEAR OF BIRTH    17    17
RACE AND CITIZENSHIP    1    White, citizen
EDUCATION    4    4 years of high school
CIVILIAN OCCUPATION    125    Office machine operators
MARITAL STATUS    8    Divorced, without dependents
COMPONENT OF THE ARMY    4    National Guard (Officers, Warrant Officers, and Enlisted Men)
CARD NUMBER    #    #
BOX NUMBER    0344    0344
FILM REEL NUMBER    3.66#    3.66#

That was the only Clifford L Lawless I could find and there were 40 pages of records!
Interesting b/c it doesn't jive with what we already *know*.

I agree Tracy!
It's time for a Judy Lawless vine branch. ::MonkeyEek::

Snipped:
http://pipl.com/cache/?N=10.10.93.24&S=2009061000245785000000001461524376101&P=NC7_40476.htm (http://pipl.com/cache/?N=10.10.93.24&S=2009061000245785000000001461524376101&P=NC7_40476.htm)


This Clifford L. Lawless that was in the military died in 1992

CLIFFORD L LAWLESS  (b)07 Jul 1917   (d)19 Nov 1992   46218 (Indianapolis, Marion, IN)   (none specified)   310-**-****   Indiana

I just thought these records may help you in finding other lawless relatives.  How many Clifford L Lawless's are there anyway? Are they all named after each other?

Maybe he was a relative...I know back in the day it was common for people to name their children after each other. I have an ex whose brothers and sisters all name at least one of their kids Tony!

I have a thought... well I had the thought last night but was too tired to follow through with researching it.  I will try to work on it some today. 

Maybe clifford lane lawless is actually Clifford Lane.  There are few clifford lane lawless'.  There are many clifford lanes.  If clifford lane lawless really was born in 1931, according to the age he uses on his addresses, then he is 4 years younger than his brother Paul George lawless/P george lawless.  So paul's father was already married to jessie grace dicus I guess, and they had paul george.  Then we have clifford lane lawless born supposedly 1931.  Now whether or not that is a correct year who knows, but lets say it is 1931.  So lets look for a clifford LANE born abt 1931.  supposedly paul is born in washington, probably brewster, okanagon county, and it is said "LANE" goes to high school in brewster, so we assume the CLL would also be born in brewster if george webster lawless and jessie grace dicus are his real parents.  Maybe he is adopted?  remember george and jessie had paul 1937, cll born 1931 that is 4 years apart.  then no more children.  so you have to wonder if they could even have children.  normally back then you will see children born at least every 2 years right after people are married.  that is just common then. to have a child, then 4 years later have another, then no more ever, that is very unusual, so what if both these boys are adopted?  the only birth records back then are normally the censuses, so you just really never know who the kids actually belong too, they can be cousins in the same household, they can be kids whose mother died in childbirth and the neighbors or friends took them, they can be adopted for a number of reasons.  they can be step children of the mother or father. they can be a much younger brother or sister. 

I am going to try a clifforn LANE who might match up with CLL, and who might be living with someone near where georrge and jessie are living. 

the name clifford lane lawless does not match up with anyone at all in this whole lawless line.  that also is unusual, as most of the time they named their children after relatives. 

oooops have a typo in above post, paul was born 1927, not 1937.

I'm going to start another thread for the clifford LANE info so I don't clutter this thread about CLL all up with something that might not have anything at all to do with him..

So Monkeys & DoubleD...
I'm curious what you think of the military files??? ::MonkeyEek::
Does this mean the Pastor was in the military or not? And if so, under what name?
Again, like you mentioned DD, I'll check on Clifford Lane.

somewhere I found something which said he was in the Navy,  I am not sure if it was something "recorded" or if it was just a post someone posted from ?   but I certainly can't find any record of him being in the military now, so I don't know where I thought earlier he might have been in the navy.  Maybe I had just asked if he were in the navy? LOL  because I had wondered if he were. 

Ok this is for all of you dedicated researchers.  This is a whole line of Lawless but you can refine your search to clifford or any other lawless.   Happy hunting!


http://www.footnote.com/search.php?query=lawless

Izzy
Thanks~
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg193/vjones60/Angels/angelwbird.gif)

I remember now, it was a newspaper article which was dated around the 27 of December, that stated he was leaving for the Navy.

I am sure we have this somewhere.
Just posting again the middle
initial P noted by Intelius and
the birth date. Is someone
trying to hide something?..lol

Lane P Lawless

More Info

DOB: 09/15/1939

Address 1:
812 W CLOVER RD
TRACY, CA 95376
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please

Tracy, CA

I've seen it as Pastor Lane Lawless.  Who knows with him????

how far away are these two places?

1960 - Lane was saved in Wenatchee WA in April; Lane was baptized by AA Harris in East Wenatchee WA on July 9; married Connie same day in Modesto CA, married by her father AA Harris

Help!!!! The newspaper article where Lane Lawless leaves for the Navy is found on post #369 on the original Blink post here.  Sorry LM, I can get it to paste. duh! on me!

 

These names are familiar (Dicus).  Was Lane in the navy?

 

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I just can't get it to work!
 :2thinky:

Whoa...There you go...
I'm sorry I missed this post earlier!!!!  It's important I think!
Because unless they flew in a plane...
There is NO WAY ...
" Lane was baptized by AA Harris in East Wenatchee WA on July 9; married Connie same day in Modesto CA"

So if Pastor Lane is Really just Lane Lawless....
I wonder where & why the Clifford came in???
So.... he and Connie could have the SAME initials??? ....

Lone, can you go to the Blink site, comment #369 and bring that newspaper article over here.  I tried, alas . . .

See Sister
I don't know how to find that post of Blink's...

Maybe you can post a link I can find it and then bring the article here... ::MonkeyConfused::

Just thought I would post this in this thread....

ok, we are on the site for Sandra Cantu.  Blink established a thread.  Look in Blink's thread under comment number 369 and there is the newspaper article.  The only thing I can get is this

Is this it, Sis??

369# Comment by Sacsayhuan — April 30, 2009 @ 10:21 am

ANOTHER EMAIL WORDS OF WISDOM FROM A FRIEND LIVING NEAR TRACY:

“It is a glaring coincidence at least that T. Lawless and Huckaby, face
similar charges, at the same essential time, and share a last name.

As of now, the efforts on Blink site have resulted in finding out that the Lawless family, has several sex offenders in its ranks, and is very connected to religion. Of course, one can say if any family is traced enough these types of connections or similar ones can occur. Soon, some report will be done by the Blink researchers which lays out all the Lawless Huckaby family history. Given that shrinks say molestation tends to be a multigenerational phenomena, this type of
data could shed light onthe Cantu case.

Whether or not a familial connection exists between Melissa Huckaby and Timothy Lawless — who knows.

Because Folsom, where T. Lawless lives is only a one hour drive to Tracy, and because Huckaby described herself on her website as a “party organizer”, and she appeared to have several male friends in Tracy, it is possible that this group of people knew each other. Note, no adult female friend of Huckaby in Tracy has surfaced that I know of.

What is really driving people crazy in this Tracy case is that no one
really believes that Melissa Huckaby acted alone. People also do not
believe the police who say she acted alone because, 1) they did not
put out an Amber alert that night, and 2) they did not put out bloodhounds that night. My God– what did they think Sandra Cantu did — hop on a bike and go to a bar? 3) the young cop handling the matter Cogburn failed to make a detention of Huckaby when she took the first girl and apparently drugged her in January 09.

Also the Tracy 60, covered by the Tracy Press on April 6 (no longer online, don’t have the article but has been quoted) indicated that Cogburn said that he knew of 50 or 60 people in Tracy currently using child porn and he didn’t have enough evidence to arrest them. There have been three big arrests for child abuse, porn, including the Tracy teen case in the last few months in Tracy. The feds ran Operation Valley Predator last year in the Central Valley and Tracy police participated. This flushed out some, I guess, but it may have made others more careful, and use unusual methods of procurements, photography, etc. such as enlisting Huckaby whom no one suspected of anything.”

hi, I went to the blink site and post 369 and that is not about CLL, it is a post about melissa and all the so's in the lawless lines.  is there another post 369 somewhere?  I went to the comments section 369 on the tim lawless relative section.  Am I in the wrong one?

I will get that info if you have a link where it is

 Re: The Timothy Lawless - Melissa Huckaby Connection
« Reply #369 on: April 29, 2009, 09:33:05 PM » Quote 

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These names are familiar (Dicus).  Was Lane in the navy?

 

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This is on page 19 of the thread by Blink on SMs -- oh how I wish I could do it right :>(

oh ok ai foud it, I thought you meant on blink's blog pages haha here is the article from the post on page 19 here on blink's origingal lawless thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4964.0;attach=7047;image

oh thank you (me not splaining myself very well).  So he did go in the Navy if this is really Clifford "Lane" Lawless.

dang let me do this again

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantuCCLnavy1.jpg)

ok the family is listing him in the news as LANE LAWLESS.  But I can't find him in any military records under that name or clifford lane lawless.  so, either I am missing the record or he enlisted in the military under some other name other than clifford lane lawless or lane lawless.  If he has another name, why is his family calling him lane lawless?

so paul is still alive at this time, where is the date of this article.  his father is still married to jessie dicus.  so he leaves for the navy that week, whatever the date is on that article, so we need the date and maybe we can find a record under a similar name during that time period

where did the name clifford come from in the first place?  the news?  all his family in all the articles refer to him as Lane lawless. 

That's the thing -- when he is young he is referred to a Lane Lawless -- when he starts having a written (unverified) history, he becomes Clifford L. Lawless.  Now, that's messed up.  One explanation would be that he really belongs to a different set of parents, or an aunt (unmarried) or whatever.  It seems all of a suddent he is CLL.  Remember that time you found a "birth" record of a Connie Lane Lawless?  Just makes me scratch my head.

I can understand its possible I miss a few things, but not THIS MANY.  where the heck are the records.  They either do not exist or they are under other names.  well let me try to find the date of that article where he is leaving for the Navy that week, at least we will have an approx date he went into the navy, maybe that will help us find something, maybe under another name.

In his father's obit dated 12/12/68 he is referred to as Lane Lawless
In his stepmother's obit dated 01/27/83 he is referred to as Lane Lawless.

I would really like to know his classification in the navy.  Wonder how long he was in the navy and where and did he go to the naval school in monterey?  would be very interesting if he did.

This is an important post...
It's Lane's dad George's Obit
The actual Obit does not show so here is the link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4964.360 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4964.360)

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantuobitgeorgeLaw1.jpg)

there is his first wife's name, how did we miss that for so long LOL ... so much info you just can't absorb all of this at once. 

ok we have her name.  I guess she had no kids?  they listed george/her husband as preceding her in death; you would think they would have listed in children who also preceded her in death.  And there are none listed as living, so did she not have any children ever?  or for some reason do they just not mention them? 

her name is ester cupery.

and at the time of this article LANE lawless is in Ephrata.  Where is that? 

ooops typo on his wife's name

should be

Esther Cupery

I know what you mean, DD!!! ::MonkeyConfused::
I think there is actually a LOT compiled in our *stacks*...
Now it's a matter of finding it and putting it all together!!!

DD
This isn't the Esther Lawless you ALL did so much work on in the Timothy Lawless connection is it?
I saw her name last night whilst looking for the dairy lawsuit for Sister...
Which BTW, I have had NO luck finding...
But I DO remember reading about it, I think! 
I think Love posted it!  But Where?????  LOL... ::MonkeyHaHa::

okay found ephrata

it is in washington about 73 miles SE of Wenatchee and about 82 miles south of brewster.  And it is about 7 miles SW of soap lake.  There are some of his relatives listed in Soap Lake. 

yes, I believe there is a LOT of info in these threads we have posted that we found something, was in a hurry and just copied and posted it while we were doing something else, then never went back to look at it again.  Or... it meant nothing at the time we posted it, but now that we are more familiar with who is who etc, it will mean something but we don't remember it is here. 

I really need to go update the main genealogy threads in the no discussion are, because I have a lot more info now that adds to that, and there are a couple of things which need to be confirmed that I had not added at the time because I was not sure, and there are also a couple of errors that were in databases but now that I have the real records etc, I know they were errors. 

I will try to get everything added in and any errors corrected and then update the lines.  Maybe we will see more connections if we have more to work with all sorted. 

hmm I don't remember esther lawless with timothy LOL   omg once I switch to some other line I forget about the other ones.  Who is esther lawless in the timothy line?  ::MonkeyConfused::

From DD:
living in San Jose at least from Sept 1976 - Sept 1979
Quad-City Herald Sept 9, 1976
Lane Lawless of San Jose, California, was here last week visiting Esther Lawless

Quad-City Herald Sept 6, 1979
Mr. and Mrs. Lane Lawless, Brian, Brett and Joni of San Jose, California, have been visiting Eshter Lawless.
They took a trip up the Nethow for a few days, and celebrated Lane's birthday with the Ted Huckabee family.

yes the above esther lawless with clifford lane lawless is esther cupery

she married CLL's father and she is the step mother of CLL and his diseased brother paul george lawless. 

but I don't know of any esther lawless with the timothy lawless line?  is there one?

I don't know if Esther and Timothy are related....
(*Hey...what if Timothy and Melissa had a baby together*) ::MonkeyDevil::
This is just the info I knew we already had...b/c I have been searching for the dairy lawsuit fro Sister.

Do we know what happened to Lane's mom?
Did she re-marry and become Sadie?
Was she put in a mental hospital by George for a while?

So could this Luanne Lawless be the *Lawless Forger*??? ::MonkeyNoNo::

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   LAWLESS, LUANNE   D
Age: 51

Associated names:
FOX, LUANNE
LACEI, LUANNA D
LACEI, LUANNE D

E WENATCHEE, WA
EAST WENATCHEE, WA
WHITTIER, CA
WENATCHEE, WA

      
Possible Relatives:
    * FOX, RANDALL  LAMOINE (Age 51)
    * LAWLESS, GERALD  D (Age 58)
    * FOX, COREY  LYNN (Age 42)
    * FOX, CONSUELA (Age 64)
    * LAWLESS, KAI  A (Age 22)

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Washington Department of Corrections, WA (more info...)

PERSONAL INFORMATION
Luanne Dee Lawless.

Full Name:     Luanne Dee Lawless    Date of Birth:     08/15/1957
AKAs:       Height:     5'8"
Weight:     110 LBS
Hair Color:     BROWN
Eye Color:     BROWN
Race:     WHITE
Gender:     Female

ADDRESSES
      

T CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1
Offense Date:         

Case Number:    962465
Offense Type:    Fraud
Offense Code:    
Offense Description:    FORGERY FORGERY
Date Reported:    
   
T CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2
Offense Date:         
Case Number:    962465
Offense Type:    Fraud
Offense Code:    
Offense Description:    OTHER FELONY FORGERY
Date Reported:    

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Forgery

The business world relies heavily on the production and exchange of legitimate documents to express legal rights and obligations, prove important facts, and exchange vital information. When these documents are falsified in any way, a crime known as forgery, social order and stability are challenged. Forgery is any act involving the making, altering or possessing of illegitimate or false documents which are intended to deceive or defraud another person or organization. Forgery of written information in the business world is committed in order to cheat a person, company, or government organization out of goods, services, money, or even information.

Fraud and forgery are similar offenses, both of which are carried out to deceive another and seek some gain that their expense. Fraud, however, is a crime that typically involves general intent, while forgery involves a specific purpose and a specific mental state (mens reas). For forgery to be a criminal act, the person must have committed forgery with the intent to deceive or defraud another. Forgery is considered a felony crime by the federal government and all fifty states. A person convicted of forgery can face heavy penalties including incarceration, heavy fines, probation, community service, the loss of some civil privileges and more.

Forgery can involve the false making of anything handwritten, typewritten, computer generated, printed or engraved from scratch that is intended to defraud. Forgery can also involve significant material alteration of a genuine document. This can include forgery involving false signatures or improperly filling out forms. A document is considered forgery if it looks authentic enough to deceive a reasonable person. It must also have some legal significance in order to be considered unlawful. Forgery also includes the possession of any forged document or forgery device with knowledge of its purpose.

Forgery is commonly committed in order to defraud the government or a business, to accomplish identity theft or the falsification of one's identity. False or altered identification documents are a common type of forgery. Identification documents, like passports and driver's licenses, may be forged in order to alter immigration or citizenship status, age, status or special authority, or to steal another's identity. Any alteration or creation of false government documents is also considered a serious forgery offence. Forgery against a business can involve false sales receipts, false employee documents, or any other false documentation intended to fool another party.

Forgery is a serious felony offence that is typically classified based on the severity of the crime. Every state has established laws regarding forgery offenses. While the laws can vary by state, first degree forgery involves the actual presentation/use of any falsely made, altered or possessed document with the intent to deceive or defraud, while forgery in the second degree does not require use or presentation of the documents. A forgery conviction can result in up to ten years in prison, heavy fines, and more. If you would like to learn more about forgery, please contact us to speak with a qualified and experienced criminal defense attorney who can evaluate your case to determine how best to protect and maximize your legal interests.

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So, Miss Luanne lived all of about 5 hours from Tracy when she was in Whittier, CA!


LAWLESS, LUANNE D
(Age 51)

Associated names:
�FOX,�LUANNE�
�LACEI,�LUANNA�D
�LACEI,�LUANNE�D
   Available(3)    Available    

EAST WENATCHEE,�WA
E WENATCHEE,�WA
WHITTIER,�CA
WENATCHEE,�WA    

Possible Relatives:
FOX,�RANDALL�LAMOINE�(Age�51)
LAWLESS,�GERALD�D�(Age�58)
FOX,�COREY�LYNN�(Age�42)
FOX,�CONSUELA�(Age�64)
LAWLESS,�KAI�A�(Age�22)

Possible Roommates / Associates:
WILDER,�JAMES�C�(Age�59)
WILDER,�ELIZABETH�L�(Age�56

I think I'll start a Luanne Lawless thread so I don't clutter Pastor Lane's!

Note that in the Obit it states that Lane's dad was a member of the Odd Fellows...
Remember the IOOF cemtery - (Independent Order of Odd Fellows) is right across the street on Lawless Lane in Grants Pass, Oregon where Lawless Roofing is located!

she is suppose to have married "lucky louie"  whoever that is  ::MonkeyDevil::

she shows up at some of the get-togethers posted in the news articles.  George Lawless remarries in 1955

Yes, this is the forger

oh man, I'm falling down on the job.  I knew who Esther was and where it was on the blink thread here.  I've read and re-read more than 6,000 pages.  If you need to "remember" because you guys are doing the research and I'm doing the reading (and making my little pencil notes :>) -- just ask.  I've read through the post on the Blink Lawless thread several times.  At one point, I started to begin another thread, titled, questions you asked to be reminded of.
Sorry haven't been here to hold up my end.  Just a little stomach distressed, but it keeps me glued to a different room in the house.

from DD post

Notes for CLIFFORD "LANE" LAWLESS:
Name: Clifford Lane Lawless
Phone Number: Edit-No phone numbers please
Address: 424 W Beverly Pl, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1993)
[434 W Beverly Pl, Tracy, California 95376]
[667 Ruby Rd, Livermore, California 94550] 

Name: Lane Lawless
Address: 424 W Beverly Pl 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-3011
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1993 1994 1995 1996 

Name: Lane Lawless
Address: 11000 W Clover Rd 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-1703
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1993 1994 1995 1996 

Name: Lane Pastr Lawless
Address: 11000 W Clover Rd 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-1703
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1997 

Name: Lane Pastr Lawless
Address: 424 W Beverly Pl 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-3011
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1997 

Name: Lane P Lawless
Address: 812 W Clover Rd 57 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-1712
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 

Name: Lane P Lawless
Address: 11000 W Clover Rd 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-1703 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1998 1999 2000

what are those other addresses?

oops, I highlighted and asked the question.  sorry, fingers not working well.

they are addresses where clifford lane lawless is showing he has lived. 

all the addresses that I put in context with a name like that, are addresses that are showing up in the database as being addresses the person has used. 

I meant to ask what is located at those addresses.

they are houses I think.  somewhere I looked up all the info and who was connected to each of the addresses.

If you've already checked it out . . . I just don't remember seeing it.

DD can you please explain the long post of names? It starts with 667 Ruby Livermore...I can't seem to follow.

thanks!

Tracygirl, O/T I received a nice note from Billy's mom.

Oh good sister. I had heard from her too a couple weeks back. His case is a strange one and I am not sure what to think with it all.

You all are working so hard on these Sandra threads. I will admit I have seen a few family names which sort of freak me out a bit. A lot of old time local names. I don't really know what to think but I am pretty much ready to move!

cll is listed at that address at one time, and those are all the names connected to that address

I don't know how to link the pic but I googled the address, the home is small.

This is from the Texas thread

Name:  Clifton Lawless
Residence:  1992 - DE Berry, Texas

So there is a Porfirio Martinez listed as a possible roommate with Pastor Lane...

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    MARTINEZ,�PORFIRIO�
   Available(2)    Available    TRACY,�CA    Possible Relatives:

MARTINEZ SENDEN,�MILDRED�(Age�47)
RENTERIA,�DOLORES�(Age�69)
MARTINEZ,�ANTONIO�(Age�66)
MARTINEZ,�MARY�(Age�62)
MARTIN,�SHANE�M�(Age�29)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

GARCIA,�SAMUEL�PEREZ�(Age�43)
MANNING,�ROBERT�KEVIN�(Age�47)
LAWLESS,�CLIFFORD�LANE�(Age�68)
MANNING,�DEBORAH�JEAN�(Age�47)
PEREZ,�CARMEN�T�(Age�50)
LLAMAS,�STEVEN�G�(Age�55)
LAWLESS,�LANE�PASTR
YUDIS,�ALBERTO�N�(Age�32)
TIZOC,�MARIA�D
   View Details


    LAWLESS,�CLIFFORD�LANE (Age 67)

Associated names:

�LAWLESS,�LANE�C
�LAWLESS,�LANE�L
�LAWLESS,�LANE�PASTR
�LAWLOR,�LANE�
   Available(3)    Available    TRACY,�CA
SAN JOSE,�CA
LIVERMORE,�CA    Possible Relatives:

HUGHES,�JONI�IRENE�(Age�41)
LAWLESS,�CLANE�(Age�31)
LAWLESS,�LANE�PASTR
LAWLESS,�PSTR�LANE
LAWLESS,�CONNIE�L�(Age�67)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CHAMMISA,�CHERYL�(Age�47)
CHAMMISA,�JEFF
MARTINEZ,�PORFIRIO
   View Details
2.    LAWLESS,�LANE�PASTR

Associated names:

�LAWLESS,�L�C
�LAWLESS,�PSTR�LANE

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

�CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH
   Available(3)    Available    TRACY,�CA    Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS,�CLIFFORD�LANE�(Age�67)
LAWLESS,�CLANE�(Age�31)
LAWLESS,�CONNIE�L�(Age�67)
LAWLESS,�PSTR�LANE

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MARTINEZ,�PORFIRIO
   View Details


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Porfirio Martinez

Person ID
4881053    Sex
MALE    Race
WHITE    Height
509
Weight
135    Hair Color
Black    Eye Color
BROWN    Ethnic
UNKNOWN - CCH

Name

Name ID
11751407    Name
MARTINEZ,PORFIRIO

Alias Names

Name ID
11751405    Alias Name
MARTINEZ,P J

Name ID
11751406    Alias Name
MARTINEZ,P-J

Name ID
11751408    Alias Name
MARTINEZ,PORFIRIO III

Name ID
11751409    Alias Name
MARTINEZ,ROFIRIO

Birthdate(s)

Date of Birth ID
5212872    Person ID
4881053    Date of Birth Type
B    Date of Birth
1982-01-15 00:00:00.000

Individual Data

Individual ID
4881053    DPS Number
05604929

Photo
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Individual ID
4881053    DPS No.
05604929    Risk

none found    SSZ Code

none found
SWD Code

none found    ERT Code

none found    ERD Date
2007-06-03 00:00:00.000    VRP Code

none found

Registration Event

Event ID
19401074    Event
Verification    Event Date
1996-06-03 01:00:00.000    ORI Text
TX2201200

Address Event

Address Event ID
8836930    PDV Code
Texas Resident

Address

Address ID
15692860    Street/P.O. Box Number
4225    Street Name
5TH AVE    Apartment No.
City
FT WORTH    Place Type
U.S. STATES    Place
Texas    ZIP Code
76115
County Code
TARRANT

Education Event

none found
License Event

none found
Occupation Event

Occupation Event ID
13719181    PDV Code
Value    Occupation ID
9314540

Occupation

Employer
MIDDLE LEVEL LEARNING CTR    Employer Address
   City
UNKNOWN    State
ZIP Code

Offense

Offense ID
2488052    Place Type
U.S. STATES    Place
Texas    Offense Code
36010001
Version No.
1    Out of State Code
TX    Out of State Offense
   General Offense Code
Dis. Flag
N    OST Code
JPO    CPR Code
1Y    CDD Date
1996-06-03 00:00:00.000
AOV No.
13    SOV Code
F

Offense Detail

Place Type
U.S. STATES    Place
Texas    Offense Code
36010001    Version No.
1
Offense Description
INDECENCY W/CHILD SEXUAL CONTACT    TXC Code
36010001    Status Code
A    Citation
21.11 (a)(1)

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   MARTINEZ, PORFIRIO   Tracy, CA   

MARTINEZ SENDEN, MILDRED
RENTERIA, DOLORES
MARTINEZ, ANTONIO
MARTINEZ, MARY
MARTIN, SHANE M

clifford and wife connie were married by A. A. Harris in Modesto Ca on July 9, 1960 He was also baptized this day by A. A. Harris

He was saved Wenatchee, Washington, In April of 1960. He was baptized July 9, 1960 by the authority of the Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee.

He could have been baptized anywhere, it was by the "authority of" which I guess A.A.Harris was pastor.

The Alisal was not accredited until 1982; Connie's brother knew CLL from the 50s, although DeWayne was not born until 1943 and CLL went in the Navy in 1950.  His whole history is very, very mucked up.


1981 - Lane lived in Salinas CA while receiving his theological education from the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary, received BA degree in religious studies; (by the way, Lane's education received ten years after he was ordained and had already pastored at least three churches)

Let's compare..
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Lawless, Clifford Lane

Lawless, Clifford Lane Lane was saved May 1960, and was baptized July 9, 1960, by the Eastside MBC in Stockton. He was called to preach April 6, 1971, and ordained August 20, 1971, by the Winton MBC.

He has pastored the following churches: Beacon MBC in Redding August 1971 to May 1973; Grace MBC of Gardena May 1973 to May 1974; Mission work in Eureka; the Mountain View, California, First Sovereign Grace Missionary Baptist Church in 1980. In 1981 the church in Tracy California merged with the Mountain View church and Brother Lawless continued as pastor with the church being called, Clover Road Missionary Baptist Church of Tracy, California. He is pastor to this day (2009).

Where is Modesto in relationship to Stockton?

Do we have any idea what CLL did to make a living when he and the Mrs. got married in 1960?  He didn't start preaching until 1971.  Then there seems to be a gap from 1974 to 1980.  Bio says mission work, but, how did he make a living for his family?

This is the chunk of time I am most curious about, too Sister!

This is from DoubleD
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5026.20 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5026.20)

1931 - Lane born in August
1950 - Lane attended Brewster High School, on debate squad in Brewster WA
1950s - Lane was in the US Navy, unknown which years
1960 - Lane was saved in Wenatchee WA in April; Lane was baptized by AA Harris in East Wenatchee WA on July 9; married Connie same day in Modesto CA, married by her father AA Harris
1971 - Lane was called to the ministry on April 6 and ordained August 20 (four months later) by the Winton MBC

1971-1972 (?) - Lane pastored Beacon MBC of Redding CA; listed as president of a Lawless roof business

1973-1974 - Lane pastored Grace MBC of Gardena CA, all the other pastors at Grace MBC had been there for several years, yet Lane was there only one year


1975 - Lane sent out by Salinas MBC of Salinas CA to do mission work in Eureka CA

1975 - Lane pastored Sovereign Grace MBC of Mountain View CA

1976 - Lane living in San Jose CA
1979 - Lane living in San Jose CA

1981 to present - Lane pastor of Clover Road Baptist Church of Tracy CA; along with Eastside MBC Stockton CA, the Airport MBC of Modesto CA authorized mission work in Tracy CA establishing Victory MBC, which was built on property donated to the church, first pastor James Taylor to 1957-1970, second pastor Charles Scott 1970-1981; Victory MBC then approached Lane and Sovereign Grace MBC of Mountain View CA to request that he consider a pastorate in Tracy, due to pastor Scott failing health; Victory and Sovereign Grace voted to merge, with the members of Victory joining Sovereign Grace, donating their property and assests to the Sovereign Grace Church. The name of the church was then changed to Clover Road Baptist Church.

1982 - Lane lived in Livermore CA and made the one-and-a-half hour commute to Salinas when he taught and preached at the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary

1983 - Connie living in Tracy CA

1985 - Connie living in Tracy CA

mid 1980s - Lane pastor of First Church of God in Clarkston WA (as stated by current pastor of that church); in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God; Lane was questioned regarding the allegations, but not charged

mid 1980s - Lane supposedly questioned about alleged child abuse in mid-80s at Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho, but not charged; church currently pastored by same man who is also current pastor of First Church of God in Clarkston WA; the two churches are just across the river from each other, connected by a bridge

1990 - Connie living in Livermore CA

1992 to present - Lane and Connie purchase home at # 57 in MHP in Nov, across the street and down a few homes from where Sandra Cantu lived with her mom, grandparents and siblings before her March 27 disappearance

2006 - Connie elected to San Joaquin Valley's Republican Central Committee and lost a re-election bid in 2008; calls herself a "Children's Issues Advisor";
reportedly is a caregiver, takes in foster care children