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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND) => Topic started by: MuffyBee on June 09, 2009, 09:17:36 PM



Title: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 - 7/3/13
Post by: MuffyBee on June 09, 2009, 09:17:36 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/amber-dubois_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

R.I.P. Amber...there WILL be Justice!!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 07:24:24 PM
Nut said on the last thread...
I can't take the waiting/watching/checking on this thread any longer. I am locking it now.

LOL sorry about that Nut! Had I known I would have been more chatty!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 15, 2010, 08:24:36 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 15, 2010, 08:55:40 PM
Nice call on the Riverside remains Nut. You called it.

I've been reading on the Klasskids.org (I think that's the link) site that there are three types of SO's. Related -- Someone they Know --- and --- Stranger. The stranger SO uses a gun or knife to abduct and usually takes place outside of the home. School, mall, Parking Lot etc. This would fit Amber's abductor especially if decoy boy had a weapon on him. He was wearing a dark hoodie. (That is Escondido's MO for just about any robbery in town.)

 What I did find very interesting on the site is a trial journal written by the Klass girls grand father or father. In it are confessions from the perp himself. He said that the reason he picked someone so young was he knew he wouldn't get aids. How sick is that.
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 15, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
Nice call on the Riverside remains Nut. You called it.

I've been reading on the Klasskids.org (I think that's the link) site that there are three types of SO's. Related -- Someone they Know --- and --- Stranger. The stranger SO uses a gun or knife to abduct and usually takes place outside of the home. School, mall, Parking Lot etc. This would fit Amber's abductor especially if decoy boy had a weapon on him. He was wearing a dark hoodie. (That is Escondido's MO for just about any robbery in town.)

 What I did find very interesting on the site is a trial journal written by the Klass girls grand father or father. In it are confessions from the perp himself. He said that the reason he picked someone so young was he knew he wouldn't get aids. How sick is that.
 


BBM

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on January 17, 2010, 12:46:55 AM
Nice call on the Riverside remains Nut. You called it.

I've been reading on the Klasskids.org (I think that's the link) site that there are three types of SO's. Related -- Someone they Know --- and --- Stranger. The stranger SO uses a gun or knife to abduct and usually takes place outside of the home. School, mall, Parking Lot etc. This would fit Amber's abductor especially if decoy boy had a weapon on him. He was wearing a dark hoodie. (That is Escondido's MO for just about any robbery in town.)

 What I did find very interesting on the site is a trial journal written by the Klass girls grand father or father. In it are confessions from the perp himself. He said that the reason he picked someone so young was he knew he wouldn't get aids. How sick is that.
 


Sometimes I wish that I had never started reading about anything in depth with regards to how these nutballs think. It sort of changes your perspective on people. Now when I see a friendly old guy smiling at one of my kids, I dont think "what a nice old Grandpa", I think "he is probably some sicko pervert". Having said this, I guess it is better to see things without blinders on, even if it is ugly.

BBM

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 17, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
The boy seen with Amber walking could very well be associated to the Barn near San Diego where Amber used to ride horses.
If so maybe the person who thought he had seen Amber at Balboa Park almost a year ago actually did.

If Amber wasforced into a vehicle it should have had witness. Maybe she got into this fellows vehicle on a volunteer basis.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 17, 2010, 03:12:32 PM
I am sitting in a Barn at the moment at Stanford College Equestrian center freezing but butt off while one of my daughters competes today.. It is storming and the wind is blowing but it brought Amber to my mind..
My other daughter brought her little wireless computer and I have taken it over...  ::MonkeyFootball::

Anyways it does not have to be a S.O. that grabbed Amber.. It all could have happened out of innocence on Amber's part and maybe she is in love with some dominate Mexican Worker  Beee she had met and he came to get her.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on January 18, 2010, 03:02:39 AM
Nice call on the Riverside remains Nut. You called it.

I've been reading on the Klasskids.org (I think that's the link) site that there are three types of SO's. Related -- Someone they Know --- and --- Stranger. The stranger SO uses a gun or knife to abduct and usually takes place outside of the home. School, mall, Parking Lot etc. This would fit Amber's abductor especially if decoy boy had a weapon on him. He was wearing a dark hoodie. (That is Escondido's MO for just about any robbery in town.)

 What I did find very interesting on the site is a trial journal written by the Klass girls grand father or father. In it are confessions from the perp himself. He said that the reason he picked someone so young was he knew he wouldn't get aids. How sick is that.
 


Sometimes I wish that I had never started reading about anything in depth with regards to how these nutballs think. It sort of changes your perspective on people. Now when I see a friendly old guy smiling at one of my kids, I dont think "what a nice old Grandpa", I think "he is probably some sicko pervert". Having said this, I guess it is better to see things without blinders on, even if it is ugly.

BBM

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

POSs I say


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on January 18, 2010, 01:53:09 PM
I guess I am not real quick. I don't know what all of the abbreviations mean  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 18, 2010, 02:20:45 PM
I don't know what they mean either. I'm to old to decode the shorthand.

Edward, If decoy boy got behind Amber put a gun to her back and told her to get in the vehicle and not say a word I think she would do it. This would look to any possible witness that she went voluntarily. I'm guessing there were no witnesses, because cars where paying attention to street lights, the flow of traffic and other children were involved in the usual group conversation of a Friday morning. There was no scream to make them look up and follow the sound. Amber must have been walking far enough away from the other kids for the perp to pick her. She may have done this every morning and this was that window that  presented a perfect opportunity for the perp.

If she went voluntarily I think she would have contacted her parents by now.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 18, 2010, 03:05:47 PM
I don't know what they mean either. I'm to old to decode the shorthand.

Edward, If decoy boy got behind Amber put a gun to her back and told her to get in the vehicle and not say a word I think she would do it. This would look to any possible witness that she went voluntarily. I'm guessing there were no witnesses, because cars where paying attention to street lights, the flow of traffic and other children were involved in the usual group conversation of a Friday morning. There was no scream to make them look up and follow the sound. Amber must have been walking far enough away from the other kids for the perp to pick her. She may have done this every morning and this was that window that  presented a perfect opportunity for the perp.

If she went voluntarily I think she would have contacted her parents by now.






I do agree with that logic.

 
 I am still waiting to hear more info on the Landers find.
I always try to keep an open mind for a good possible outcome even though.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 18, 2010, 03:16:21 PM
Sebastian and ArmChairAnalyst~  If you will scroll up and take a look at my last post in this thread, you will see I quoted ArmChairAnalyst, and I bolded the last line in the quote.  And then I put BBM and  ::MonkeyNoNo::  .   What it means is this:

BBM = Bolded By Me

It's one way to put emphasis on a portion of a quote by another person.  It comes in handy when you want to comment on just a sentence or phrase in another's quote. 

Most posters, (including myself) are happy to explain something you may not understand.  ArmChairAnalyst, you used SO in the post I quoted.  I can think of a number of times I've explained to posters along the way that SO is for Sex Offender.  That's how we learn.  I've been posting at SM (Scared Monkeys) for over four years now, and I learn something everyday.  It was poster Brandi, I believe that explained to me one day what BBM meant.  You will see BBM throughout this forum and others.  Just thought you might appreciate my explaining to you both what BBM was, since your comments  were " I guess I am not real quick. I don't know what all of the abbreviations mean" and "I don't know what they mean either. I'm to old to decode the shorthand", respectively.  I didn't use BBM to try to be  ::MonkeyCool:: or anything like that.  All you had to do was ask what I meant by it.  Also, it may have caused confusion, because when I was quoted, the quote stacks were messed up by a couple of posters.  Look back at my post, and see how it reads.  It may make more sense to you if you read it as I posted it, not as it was misquoted.  End of public service announcement   ::MonkeyHaHa::  I continue to hope Amber can come home.  Muffy


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 18, 2010, 05:48:14 PM
Date Posted: January 13, 2010
Today marks eleven long months since Amber disappeared on her way to Escondido High School. It's hard to count so many days and nights of not knowing where she is or how she is. At night when sleep does not come, we wonder if she has a place to sleep or is locked up in someone's basement, or worse. When we have a meal in front of us, we wonder if she is hungry and find the food has no interest. Where can she be? We pray for that one person to recognize her and make the call that will bring her home.

We feel the kindness of those who help in the search for Amber and all the other missing children and question why there can be so much kindness and still so much evil in our land. We try to hard to keep some form of "normal" in our lives, but there is no "normal" anymore. Amber's Mom spent hours before Amber was born putting stars on the ceiling of the room Amber was to have. As it turned out, she moved nearby just a couple of weeks before Amber's birth. I decided to move into that house to be closer to my first grandchild and lobbied for the name Amber as well. So, from babyhood, Amber and I would lie in that room and look at those stars so lovingly put up by her Mom and sing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star unendingly. Those stars remain. In 15 years I have not been able to paint over them. Every night I look at them before I pray. Can Amber see the stars or is she with them? I wear a silver bracelet with Amber's name and the words "Hope, Faith, Believe, Love." One day I hope to place it on Amber's wrist as a constant reminder to never give up.

Today is a silent day for our prayers. Please join with us in prayer and light a candle for Amber on the website www.AmberLeeanneDubois.com or www.HelpBringAmberHome.com.

January 13, 2010
Amber's Grandmom



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on January 18, 2010, 05:48:19 PM
Sebastian and ArmChairAnalyst~  If you will scroll up and take a look at my last post in this thread, you will see I quoted ArmChairAnalyst, and I bolded the last line in the quote.  And then I put BBM and  ::MonkeyNoNo::  .   What it means is this:

BBM = Bolded By Me

It's one way to put emphasis on a portion of a quote by another person.  It comes in handy when you want to comment on just a sentence or phrase in another's quote. 

Most posters, (including myself) are happy to explain something you may not understand.  ArmChairAnalyst, you used SO in the post I quoted.  I can think of a number of times I've explained to posters along the way that SO is for Sex Offender.  That's how we learn.  I've been posting at SM (Scared Monkeys) for over four years now, and I learn something everyday.  It was poster Brandi, I believe that explained to me one day what BBM meant.  You will see BBM throughout this forum and others.  Just thought you might appreciate my explaining to you both what BBM was, since your comments  were " I guess I am not real quick. I don't know what all of the abbreviations mean" and "I don't know what they mean either. I'm to old to decode the shorthand", respectively.  I didn't use BBM to try to be  ::MonkeyCool:: or anything like that.  All you had to do was ask what I meant by it.  Also, it may have caused confusion, because when I was quoted, the quote stacks were messed up by a couple of posters.  Look back at my post, and see how it reads.  It may make more sense to you if you read it as I posted it, not as it was misquoted.  End of public service announcement   ::MonkeyHaHa::  I continue to hope Amber can come home.  Muffy
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Thank you Muffy!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 18, 2010, 05:58:11 PM
Date Posted: January 13, 2010
Today marks eleven long months since Amber disappeared on her way to Escondido High School. It's hard to count so many days and nights of not knowing where she is or how she is. At night when sleep does not come, we wonder if she has a place to sleep or is locked up in someone's basement, or worse. When we have a meal in front of us, we wonder if she is hungry and find the food has no interest. Where can she be? We pray for that one person to recognize her and make the call that will bring her home.

We feel the kindness of those who help in the search for Amber and all the other missing children and question why there can be so much kindness and still so much evil in our land. We try to hard to keep some form of "normal" in our lives, but there is no "normal" anymore. Amber's Mom spent hours before Amber was born putting stars on the ceiling of the room Amber was to have. As it turned out, she moved nearby just a couple of weeks before Amber's birth. I decided to move into that house to be closer to my first grandchild and lobbied for the name Amber as well. So, from babyhood, Amber and I would lie in that room and look at those stars so lovingly put up by her Mom and sing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star unendingly. Those stars remain. In 15 years I have not been able to paint over them. Every night I look at them before I pray. Can Amber see the stars or is she with them? I wear a silver bracelet with Amber's name and the words "Hope, Faith, Believe, Love." One day I hope to place it on Amber's wrist as a constant reminder to never give up.

Today is a silent day for our prayers. Please join with us in prayer and light a candle for Amber on the website www.AmberLeeanneDubois.com or www.HelpBringAmberHome.com.

January 13, 2010
Amber's Grandmom



Thank you for bringing this Edward.  You've been a steadfast friend to the missing and their families. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 18, 2010, 06:10:07 PM
T/Y
ALL of You Too MuffyBee  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on January 18, 2010, 06:35:45 PM
Date Posted: January 13, 2010
Today marks eleven long months since Amber disappeared on her way to Escondido High School. It's hard to count so many days and nights of not knowing where she is or how she is. At night when sleep does not come, we wonder if she has a place to sleep or is locked up in someone's basement, or worse. When we have a meal in front of us, we wonder if she is hungry and find the food has no interest. Where can she be? We pray for that one person to recognize her and make the call that will bring her home.

We feel the kindness of those who help in the search for Amber and all the other missing children and question why there can be so much kindness and still so much evil in our land. We try to hard to keep some form of "normal" in our lives, but there is no "normal" anymore. Amber's Mom spent hours before Amber was born putting stars on the ceiling of the room Amber was to have. As it turned out, she moved nearby just a couple of weeks before Amber's birth. I decided to move into that house to be closer to my first grandchild and lobbied for the name Amber as well. So, from babyhood, Amber and I would lie in that room and look at those stars so lovingly put up by her Mom and sing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star unendingly. Those stars remain. In 15 years I have not been able to paint over them. Every night I look at them before I pray. Can Amber see the stars or is she with them? I wear a silver bracelet with Amber's name and the words "Hope, Faith, Believe, Love." One day I hope to place it on Amber's wrist as a constant reminder to never give up.

Today is a silent day for our prayers. Please join with us in prayer and light a candle for Amber on the website www.AmberLeeanneDubois.com or www.HelpBringAmberHome.com.

January 13, 2010
Amber's Grandmom



That is just so sad. My heart breaks for these poor families. I pray someday soon, very soon, like today (!!!) this girl is found!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 18, 2010, 11:38:14 PM
Coachella (RSD) Reports kidnap and forcible rape

Date/Time Written: 1/18/2010 at 9:30 AM
Type of Incident: Kidnap and Forcible Rape
Date/Time of Incident: 1/17/2010 at 1:00 PM
Location(s) of Incident: 50000 Block of Harrison Street, Coachella
Reporting Officer: Sgt. Anthony Baur
File Number:  Y100170037

Details:
On Sunday, September 17th, 2010, at approximately 1 PM, officers from the Coachella Police Department investigated a kidnapping and sexual assault that occurred in the business district in the 50000 block of Harrison Street, Coachella.

The investigation revealed that the adult female was forced to leave the business area on Harrison Street after the suspect, a male Hispanic about 25 years old, simulated a handgun. The suspect made the victim get into his vehicle and drove her to a remote agricultural field in the area of Airport Boulevard and Pierce Street in Thermal. The suspect sexually assaulted the victim, then left her in the remote area and fled in his vehicle. The victim walked to a nearby residence to seek help and was later treated for minor injuries suffered during the assault.

The suspect is described as a Hispanic male adult, 25 years old, 5' 06", 140 pounds with dark slicked-back hair, a small mustache, a goatee, and a small scar over his right eye brow. The suspect is also described as having tattoos on his hands and shoulders. The suspect was last seen wearing a red T-shirt with the "TAPOUT" logo in white lettering on the front side, blue jeans and white Puma shoes.

The suspect vehicle is described as a green, manual transmission, 2005 or 2006 VW sedan, unknown model with light tinted windows.

The Coachella Police Department would like to remind everyone to report suspicious activity by calling 911, or by contacting Sheriff’s Dispatch at (760) 836-3215. If anyone has information regarding this incident, they are asked to contact Investigator Tom Michna at (760) 863-8990. Information can also be provided anonymously by calling Valley Crime Stoppers at (760) 341-STOP.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 18, 2010, 11:40:56 PM
There's an error on their report, I believe the date of the incident should be january 17, 2010 not september 17, 2010. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/ind10-0117.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on January 19, 2010, 01:59:26 AM
I guess I am not real quick. I don't know what all of the abbreviations mean  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That would be Piece of
$h!+'s I say...  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on January 19, 2010, 02:08:10 AM
Date Posted: January 13, 2010
Today marks eleven long months since Amber disappeared on her way to Escondido High School. It's hard to count so many days and nights of not knowing where she is or how she is. At night when sleep does not come, we wonder if she has a place to sleep or is locked up in someone's basement, or worse. When we have a meal in front of us, we wonder if she is hungry and find the food has no interest. Where can she be? We pray for that one person to recognize her and make the call that will bring her home.

We feel the kindness of those who help in the search for Amber and all the other missing children and question why there can be so much kindness and still so much evil in our land. We try to hard to keep some form of "normal" in our lives, but there is no "normal" anymore. Amber's Mom spent hours before Amber was born putting stars on the ceiling of the room Amber was to have. As it turned out, she moved nearby just a couple of weeks before Amber's birth. I decided to move into that house to be closer to my first grandchild and lobbied for the name Amber as well. So, from babyhood, Amber and I would lie in that room and look at those stars so lovingly put up by her Mom and sing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star unendingly. Those stars remain. In 15 years I have not been able to paint over them. Every night I look at them before I pray. Can Amber see the stars or is she with them? I wear a silver bracelet with Amber's name and the words "Hope, Faith, Believe, Love." One day I hope to place it on Amber's wrist as a constant reminder to never give up.

Today is a silent day for our prayers. Please join with us in prayer and light a candle for Amber on the website www.AmberLeeanneDubois.com or www.HelpBringAmberHome.com.

January 13, 2010
Amber's Grandmom



Wow that was powerful.  I too had put those stars on  my girls ceiling... but had totally forgotten.  To Amber's Grandmom... I too have that bracelet, it is black and silver.  A friend gave it to me when I was going through a dificult time with my middle girl.. now 21.  I think of Amber often and wish a lead would come...  I pray, wherever she is, Jesus is there to comfort her and her family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on January 19, 2010, 02:10:02 AM
There's an error on their report, I believe the date of the incident should be january 17, 2010 not september 17, 2010. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/ind10-0117.htm

Yeah, that's what I was thinking... either Sept. 09 or maybe Jan... 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 19, 2010, 01:00:18 PM
We have so much technology today, but no one uses it. It should be mandatory that all businesses especially restaurants, gas stations, banks etc, burn copies of their surveillance footage and send it to the police station. They could hire volunteers like us to watch the footage looking for vehicles, faces and location.  I would bet Amber's perp put gas in his vehicle...ate at a restaurant....got money from a bank....or stopped at a convenience store some time in the week before and the week after the abduction. How hard would it be to burn to a CD and mail. In a small town like Escondido cost would be low, response time would be faster and maybe a perp would be sent to prison.

They like to hide in plain site, go out of their way not to be noticed. We need to hide behind them to catch them. I know my SO (sex offender) neighbor does not like to be watched and I check his place every time I step out my door. If I could I would stand outside with Binoculars and read what he reads on his porch every night.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on January 19, 2010, 02:45:15 PM
We have so much technology today, but no one uses it. It should be mandatory that all businesses especially restaurants, gas stations, banks etc, burn copies of their surveillance footage and send it to the police station. They could hire volunteers like us to watch the footage looking for vehicles, faces and location.  I would bet Amber's perp put gas in his vehicle...ate at a restaurant....got money from a bank....or stopped at a convenience store some time in the week before and the week after the abduction. How hard would it be to burn to a CD and mail. In a small town like Escondido cost would be low, response time would be faster and maybe a perp would be sent to prison.

They like to hide in plain site, go out of their way not to be noticed. We need to hide behind them to catch them. I know my SO (sex offender) neighbor does not like to be watched and I check his place every time I step out my door. If I could I would stand outside with Binoculars and read what he reads on his porch every night.

I am sure your SO neighbor is probably reading the Bible or something along those lines. So many of them like to hide behind religion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on January 19, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
I guess I am not real quick. I don't know what all of the abbreviations mean  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That would be Piece of
$h!+'s I say...  ::MonkeyDance::

Geez! I should have figured that out seeing as that description all of the time!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on January 19, 2010, 02:46:55 PM
I guess I am not real quick. I don't know what all of the abbreviations mean  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That would be Piece of
$h!+'s I say...  ::MonkeyDance::

Geez! I should have figured that out seeing as I use that description all of the time!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 19, 2010, 03:09:51 PM
I saw a 4-door sedan green vw jetta today at the Target center at ynez rd x rancho california rd in Temecula, car parked across from the Chase bank in the target parking lot at about 10:05-10:15 a.m.. I noticed some ketchup or red stain in the driver's seat of the  car, i was afraid to call because i had been staring at the car for a while. The license plate said Riverside-Corona in blue letters. On the driver side of the car door was a yellow screwdriver sticking in between the inside of the car's window and the door. The passenger side door on the right had blue tape on the exterior top of the window and clear plastic tape covering the window itself. There was a parking permit sticker, yellow in color that had the D-P4321 i didnt take down the number so its not accurate. The back seat had a tear in the middle with yellow debris sticking out, the passenger seat in the front also had a tear. The outside of the car had some bolts missing from the right door from the backseat. The car was equipped with a car alarm. The driver had the car parked without the brake on. I should have stayed long enough until the driver came back but I had to get dog food and when I came back the car was gone. If anyone sees this car please call the number above.

I'm a little lost by this post.  Please clarify.  Also, I do not see a number above to call.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 19, 2010, 08:15:29 PM
When I did read this I was waiting for a better explanation myself.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 19, 2010, 11:07:13 PM
Coachella (RSD) Reports kidnap and forcible rape

Date/Time Written: 1/18/2010 at 9:30 AM
Type of Incident: Kidnap and Forcible Rape
Date/Time of Incident: 1/17/2010 at 1:00 PM
Location(s) of Incident: 50000 Block of Harrison Street, Coachella
Reporting Officer: Sgt. Anthony Baur
File Number:  Y100170037

Details:
On Sunday, September 17th, 2010, at approximately 1 PM, officers from the Coachella Police Department investigated a kidnapping and sexual assault that occurred in the business district in the 50000 block of Harrison Street, Coachella.

The investigation revealed that the adult female was forced to leave the business area on Harrison Street after the suspect, a male Hispanic about 25 years old, simulated a handgun. The suspect made the victim get into his vehicle and drove her to a remote agricultural field in the area of Airport Boulevard and Pierce Street in Thermal. The suspect sexually assaulted the victim, then left her in the remote area and fled in his vehicle. The victim walked to a nearby residence to seek help and was later treated for minor injuries suffered during the assault.

The suspect is described as a Hispanic male adult, 25 years old, 5' 06", 140 pounds with dark slicked-back hair, a small mustache, a goatee, and a small scar over his right eye brow. The suspect is also described as having tattoos on his hands and shoulders. The suspect was last seen wearing a red T-shirt with the "TAPOUT" logo in white lettering on the front side, blue jeans and white Puma shoes.

The suspect vehicle is described as a green, manual transmission, 2005 or 2006 VW sedan, unknown model with light tinted windows.

The Coachella Police Department would like to remind everyone to report suspicious activity by calling 911, or by contacting Sheriff’s Dispatch at (760) 836-3215. If anyone has information regarding this incident, they are asked to contact Investigator Tom Michna at (760) 863-8990. Information can also be provided anonymously by calling Valley Crime Stoppers at (760) 341-STOP.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on January 19, 2010, 11:54:54 PM
I saw a 4-door sedan green vw jetta today at the Target center at ynez rd x rancho california rd in Temecula, car parked across from the Chase bank in the target parking lot at about 10:05-10:15 a.m.. I noticed some ketchup or red stain in the driver's seat of the  car, i was afraid to call because i had been staring at the car for a while. The license plate said Riverside-Corona in blue letters. On the driver side of the car door was a yellow screwdriver sticking in between the inside of the car's window and the door. The passenger side door on the right had blue tape on the exterior top of the window and clear plastic tape covering the window itself. There was a parking permit sticker, yellow in color that had the D-P4321 i didnt take down the number so its not accurate. The back seat had a tear in the middle with yellow debris sticking out, the passenger seat in the front also had a tear. The outside of the car had some bolts missing from the right door from the backseat. The car was equipped with a car alarm. The driver had the car parked without the brake on. I should have stayed long enough until the driver came back but I had to get dog food and when I came back the car was gone. If anyone sees this car please call the number above.

I'm a little lost by this post.  Please clarify.  Also, I do not see a number above to call.  ::MonkeyCool::

Did you call the police about this?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on January 20, 2010, 01:33:38 AM
I saw a 4-door sedan green vw jetta today at the Target center at ynez rd x rancho california rd in Temecula, car parked across from the Chase bank in the target parking lot at about 10:05-10:15 a.m.. I noticed some ketchup or red stain in the driver's seat of the  car, i was afraid to call because i had been staring at the car for a while. The license plate said Riverside-Corona in blue letters. On the driver side of the car door was a yellow screwdriver sticking in between the inside of the car's window and the door. The passenger side door on the right had blue tape on the exterior top of the window and clear plastic tape covering the window itself. There was a parking permit sticker, yellow in color that had the D-P4321 i didnt take down the number so its not accurate. The back seat had a tear in the middle with yellow debris sticking out, the passenger seat in the front also had a tear. The outside of the car had some bolts missing from the right door from the backseat. The car was equipped with a car alarm. The driver had the car parked without the brake on. I should have stayed long enough until the driver came back but I had to get dog food and when I came back the car was gone. If anyone sees this car please call the number above.

I'm a little lost by this post.  Please clarify.  Also, I do not see a number above to call.  ::MonkeyCool::

Did you call the police about this?

Okay, I am really lost..is this something you saw wannaberookie? or what? If you did, I sure hope you called authorities too. 

Tracygirl.  I cannot locate the ripped piece of paper tab... there is one that is next to the message icon... but it would let me select it or anything and I can barely see this jumbly thing!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2010, 11:32:03 AM
Coachella (RSD) Reports kidnap and forcible rape

Date/Time Written: 1/18/2010 at 9:30 AM
Type of Incident: Kidnap and Forcible Rape
Date/Time of Incident: 1/17/2010 at 1:00 PM
Location(s) of Incident: 50000 Block of Harrison Street, Coachella
Reporting Officer: Sgt. Anthony Baur
File Number:  Y100170037

Details:
On Sunday, September 17th, 2010, at approximately 1 PM, officers from the Coachella Police Department investigated a kidnapping and sexual assault that occurred in the business district in the 50000 block of Harrison Street, Coachella.

The investigation revealed that the adult female was forced to leave the business area on Harrison Street after the suspect, a male Hispanic about 25 years old, simulated a handgun. The suspect made the victim get into his vehicle and drove her to a remote agricultural field in the area of Airport Boulevard and Pierce Street in Thermal. The suspect sexually assaulted the victim, then left her in the remote area and fled in his vehicle. The victim walked to a nearby residence to seek help and was later treated for minor injuries suffered during the assault.

The suspect is described as a Hispanic male adult, 25 years old, 5' 06", 140 pounds with dark slicked-back hair, a small mustache, a goatee, and a small scar over his right eye brow. The suspect is also described as having tattoos on his hands and shoulders. The suspect was last seen wearing a red T-shirt with the "TAPOUT" logo in white lettering on the front side, blue jeans and white Puma shoes.

The suspect vehicle is described as a green, manual transmission, 2005 or 2006 VW sedan, unknown model with light tinted windows.

The Coachella Police Department would like to remind everyone to report suspicious activity by calling 911, or by contacting Sheriff’s Dispatch at (760) 836-3215. If anyone has information regarding this incident, they are asked to contact Investigator Tom Michna at (760) 863-8990. Information can also be provided anonymously by calling Valley Crime Stoppers at (760) 341-STOP.

Here is the link to the ARTICLE the above references:

http://www.kmir6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11841857

piwannabe - we don't appreciate cryptic information posted at SM.  Please post the link to where you obtained the information in the future.  That's twice you've done that.  Don't do it again.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 20, 2010, 02:59:10 PM
I had the link on page 1. I dont know what the problem is, I am not a full-fledged adult, and I was not aware of any rules when I joined this board.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 20, 2010, 03:14:05 PM
I apologize for all the confusion I caused. the link is on page 1. I didn't call the police because I did not see the person in the car and I did not want to get involved at the time because I am in enough trouble right now so please just leave it alone. It won't happen again. THANK YOU ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2010, 03:46:55 PM
I apologize for all the confusion I caused. the link is on page 1. I didn't call the police because I did not see the person in the car and I did not want to get involved at the time because I am in enough trouble right now so please just leave it alone. It won't happen again. THANK YOU ::HelloKitty::

Not that big of a deal piwannbe.  Like I said, in the future always add the link or explain if YOU are the witness to something or at least say where you heard it. 

You know now so all is ok.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 20, 2010, 05:07:29 PM
ok cool


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on January 20, 2010, 06:30:06 PM
I apologize for all the confusion I caused. the link is on page 1. I didn't call the police because I did not see the person in the car and I did not want to get involved at the time because I am in enough trouble right now so please just leave it alone. It won't happen again. THANK YOU ::HelloKitty::

Hi Pi,
I am an adult and I still get screwed up with posting things, lol. I don't know what kind of trouble that you are in, but if it has anything to do with law enforcement, it is my understanding that you can call them from a pay phone and as long as you only talk for a few seconds they cannot trace the call. You don't HAVE to tell them anything about yourself. I hope whatever trouble that you may be in, that you get it ironed out.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on January 21, 2010, 01:17:02 AM
Chi sorry about that let me see if I can explain this better. It is called the compatibility view. Mine is to the left of the toolbar that you type in a web address, way up top and on the other side of the tab is the refresh (two arrows one pointing up, the other pointing down) and stop tab (a red X). The icon looks like a piece of paper that is ripped in two. If I could do a screen shot I would do that but I can't. I hope I explained that better this time, sorry again.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 21, 2010, 07:08:34 PM
Another girl missing just 27 miles from Escondido. Temecula, missing from a High School.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/5e40da73-43e1-5881-b24a-0e2b53ae59fe.html

I'm begining to believe our perp may work for a tow truck company. Amber was abducted on a rainy day. Today it's raining, the wind is blowing and their are tow truck everywhere.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on January 21, 2010, 08:37:37 PM
Another girl missing just 27 miles from Escondido. Temecula, missing from a High School.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/5e40da73-43e1-5881-b24a-0e2b53ae59fe.html

I'm begining to believe our perp may work for a tow truck company. Amber was abducted on a rainy day. Today it's raining, the wind is blowing and their are tow truck everywhere.

Is there a pic anywhere of this girl?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 21, 2010, 09:07:50 PM
Another girl missing just 27 miles from Escondido. Temecula, missing from a High School.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/5e40da73-43e1-5881-b24a-0e2b53ae59fe.html

I'm begining to believe our perp may work for a tow truck company. Amber was abducted on a rainy day. Today it's raining, the wind is blowing and their are tow truck everywhere.

Is there a pic anywhere of this girl?

I've started a thread for Saaimoana Migae.  I haven't located a pic yet and if I can find one, I'll post it in her thread.  Hopefully, she will be found safe and soon. Link: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6982.new#new


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 21, 2010, 11:33:04 PM
  RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT LINK: http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/sws10-0121.htm
Sheriff Stanley Sniff
Temecula Police Department
PRESS RELEASE   

Date/Time Written: January 21, 2010 at 4:00 P.M.
Type of Incident: Missing Person
Date/Time of Incident: January 21, 2010 at about 8:30 A.M.
Location(s) of Incident: 27215 Nicolas Rd., Temecula / Chapparal High School
Reporting Officer: Dep. Herlinda Valenzuela / Public Information Officer
File Number: RE10021038
 
Saaimoana Migae, 16 years View Larger Map
Details:
On Thursday, January 21, 2010 at about 8:30 a.m., a Temecula Police Department School Resource Officer at the Chapparal High School located at 27215 Nicolas Rd., in the city of Temecula, handled a Missing Person call.

The investigation revealed a Chapparral High School student, identified as Saaimoana Migae, 16 years, had been dropped off at the high school at about 6:00 a.m. by her mother. Saaimoana was scheduled to attend an early class at the school. Some of Saaimoana’s personal belongings were found on campus and were turned into the office. Saaimoana was not located on campus.

Temecula Police Investigators responded to the school and assumed the investigation and are following up on several leads.

Saaimoana Migae is described as a Samoan juvenile female, 16 years, 5”11”, 275, with long wavy black hair and brown eyes, wearing a dark blue hoodie sweatshirt and blue jeans.

This investigation is continuing and anyone with information related to this investigation is asked to contact Investigator Gorlicki at the Temecula Police Department at 951-445-7527.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 21, 2010, 11:50:23 PM
I think that it could be anyone... when I was in high school in Temecula, I had to go early around 6:30 a.m. and stay after because my mom had to go to work. It happened to be on my birthday some (hispanic)older man in a white car after school  hours came by when me and my sister were sitting by the front office on school property and asked me or my sister if we wanted a ride home. The man was driving a four-door  dark grey sedan with license plate number 3WFS491 older model or something like that around 2003 or 2004, we told the school resource officer this and he took notes. Maybe somebody who has had a similar incident will tell the SRO (School Resource Officer) and they will be able to locate a suspect that is if this girl was kidnapped. I really don't think a tow truck driver would do this unless it was a person driving a stolen tow-truck and it had a lot of drugs in it, but then again that's my opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 22, 2010, 12:02:35 AM
If anyone wants to know, they found the guy (january 19) in the green VW in coachella, california who had sexually assaulted and forcibly raped a woman or attempted by simulating a handgun...
here's the link: http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/ind10-0117.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 22, 2010, 12:02:39 AM
That opinion comes with a lic plate number  ::MonkeyCool:: Good work PIwannabe
I am glad you told somebody of authority


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 22, 2010, 12:16:37 AM
If anyone wants to know, they found the guy (january 19) in the green VW in coachella, california who had sexually assaulted and forcibly raped a woman or attempted by simulating a handgun...
here's the link: http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/ind10-0117.htm

On Tuesday, January 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, investigators from the Coachella Police Department arrested Edgar Cabrera, age 22, of Thermal for Kidnap and Forcible Rape. His bail is set at $250,000.

The Indio Investigators Unit had received information regarding a possible license plate of the suspect's vehicle. The license plate was compared to stored data in the Automated License Plate Recognition System (ALPR). ALPR’s are used by Coachella Police Patrol Vehicles and have the ability to not only capture license plates and compare them to several wanted vehicle databases, but to also retain license plates and images in a database for investigative purposes.

The vehicle was located in the area of Avenue 62 and Tyler Street in Thermal where Cabrera was ultimately found and arrested.


(http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/images/cab10-0117.jpg)



http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/ind10-0117.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 22, 2010, 12:31:06 AM
Thanks, Edward. There is a picture of edgar cabrera on this link: http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11854688&nav=menu191_2 if you can put it on because I can't.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 22, 2010, 12:47:03 AM
OT.. Check this out..

http://www.riversidesheriff.org/Press/09318-per.htm



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 22, 2010, 12:49:49 AM
Thanks, Edward. There is a picture of edgar cabrera on this link: http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11854688&nav=menu191_2 if you can put it on because I can't.

(http://kesq.images.worldnow.com/images/11854688_BG1.jpg)

If anyone wants to know, they found the guy (january 19) in the green VW in coachella, california who had sexually assaulted and forcibly raped a woman or attempted by simulating a handgun...
here's the link: http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/ind10-0117.htm

On Tuesday, January 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, investigators from the Coachella Police Department arrested Edgar Cabrera, age 22, of Thermal for Kidnap and Forcible Rape. His bail is set at $250,000.

The Indio Investigators Unit had received information regarding a possible license plate of the suspect's vehicle. The license plate was compared to stored data in the Automated License Plate Recognition System (ALPR). ALPR’s are used by Coachella Police Patrol Vehicles and have the ability to not only capture license plates and compare them to several wanted vehicle databases, but to also retain license plates and images in a database for investigative purposes.

The vehicle was located in the area of Avenue 62 and Tyler Street in Thermal where Cabrera was ultimately found and arrested.


(http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/images/cab10-0117.jpg)



http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/ind10-0117.htm




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 22, 2010, 01:03:15 AM
The missing person in Temecula, Saaimoana Migae or Migao has a myspace and it says she is online right now.... http://www.myspace.com/saaimoana


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 24, 2010, 10:50:27 PM
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OK, I live in Whittier, CA which is approximately 100 miles north of Escondido. I went into a Savers store today--a thrift-type store--and was suprised to see a flyer for Amber. I made a comment about it to the sales guy...a young kid, and he said that apparently she had been seen often in the area and at that store. He then said that she is believed to be a run-away.
Just wanted to pass this on. I seem to be a thread-killer so I apologize in advance for that.

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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on January 25, 2010, 12:09:09 AM
Chi sorry about that let me see if I can explain this better. It is called the compatibility view. Mine is to the left of the toolbar that you type in a web address, way up top and on the other side of the tab is the refresh (two arrows one pointing up, the other pointing down) and stop tab (a red X). The icon looks like a piece of paper that is ripped in two. If I could do a screen shot I would do that but I can't. I hope I explained that better this time, sorry again.



Thanks Tracy girl,

I see it now~~!!  It is not happening right now (the jumping) it seems to only happen on quotes that are really long.  I will definately try it the next time it happens.  Thanks again.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on January 25, 2010, 12:22:24 AM
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OK, I live in Whittier, CA which is approximately 100 miles north of Escondido. I went into a Savers store today--a thrift-type store--and was suprised to see a flyer for Amber. I made a comment about it to the sales guy...a young kid, and he said that apparently she had been seen often in the area and at that store. He then said that she is believed to be a run-away.
Just wanted to pass this on. I seem to be a thread-killer so I apologize in advance for that.

Karen
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How much of an effort for attention is made in the orange county area? I have family and friends there and to be honest with you, no one has heard of amber's story.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on January 25, 2010, 12:23:07 AM
Chi sorry about that let me see if I can explain this better. It is called the compatibility view. Mine is to the left of the toolbar that you type in a web address, way up top and on the other side of the tab is the refresh (two arrows one pointing up, the other pointing down) and stop tab (a red X). The icon looks like a piece of paper that is ripped in two. If I could do a screen shot I would do that but I can't. I hope I explained that better this time, sorry again.



Thanks Tracy girl,

I see it now~~!!  It is not happening right now (the jumping) it seems to only happen on quotes that are really long.  I will definately try it the next time it happens.  Thanks again.

Just a hint, if you have written anything out it is go poof so make sure you copy it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on January 25, 2010, 12:23:57 AM
sorry is=will


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 26, 2010, 12:04:53 AM
Does anyone think this is a match....

link: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/munoz_armando.html
Unidentified Victim
 

 
Year and Case#: 2006. 2006-06876

Sex / Race: Male / Hispanic

Date found / died: 10/07/2006.

Place of death or found location: Riverside Community Hospital in-patient, in the city of Riverside.

Estimated age: 30 - 35 years of age.

Hair / Eyes: Black / Brown.

Hair length: Short.

Height / Weight: 5' 6" / 163 lbs.

Location of incident: California Ave cross of Lido Drive in the city of Riverside.

Features or distinguishing marks: No jewelry or tattoos located. The bicycle is described as multiple speed mountain bike, silver or chrome and black in the color with red front forks. (See photo)

Clothing description: Blue jeans and a white t-shirt.

Circumstances: Bicyclist who collided with small pick-up truck. Ejected, on 10/06/07.

link: http://www.riversidesheriff.org/coroner/unidentified/2006-06876.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 26, 2010, 06:48:46 PM
Virginia Tech Student Morgan Harrington's skeletal remains found in 700-acre farm.
link: http://www.sphere.com/nation/article/remains-found-on-virginia-farm-may-be-missing-virginia-tech-student-morgan-dana-harrington/19332416?icid=main|main|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sphere.com%2Fnation%2Farticle%2Fremains-found-on-virginia-farm-may-be-missing-virginia-tech-student-morgan-dana-harrington%2F19332416


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 02:55:58 PM
From KTLA this morning , 2 new attacks



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 28, 2010, 04:19:35 PM
Do you happen to have the story on this Northern Rose ?
My search engine is not working..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 04:34:23 PM
Do you happen to have the story on this Northern Rose ?
My search engine is not working..


I will find them.  Wanted to post those before they disappeared from my satellite receiver.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 04:37:21 PM
Riverside police seek help in finding sexual assault suspect
January 27, 2010 |  7:23 pm

Riverside authorities are asking for the public’s help in apprehending a man who kidnapped and sexually assaulted a girl who was leaving an after-school event near La Sierra on Tuesday.

The attack occurred around 5:20 p.m., when the victim was forced into a vehicle and driven to another location, where she was assaulted, according to Riverside police. Authorities did give the girl's age but said the assailant was a thin white man in his 20s or 30s with blond hair and a few days' growth of facial hair. He wore a dark blue baseball cap and had a tattoo on his right forearm.

The vehicle he was driving was described as resembling a mid-1980s four-door Toyota sedan. The car was red, but faded and discolored. It also had tinted windows and appeared to be in “very used condition,” police said.

Anyone with information on the attack is asked to contact Det. Laura Riso at (951) 353-7126 or Det. Linda Byerly at (951) 353-7120.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/riverside-police-seek-help-in-apprehending-sexual-assault-supsect.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+(L.A.+Now)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 04:40:43 PM
I just got creeped out.  Do these two look similar to anyone else?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 28, 2010, 04:44:02 PM
AYou got it !! That is a match.. wow
Good Job Northern Rose.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 04:56:02 PM
AYou got it !! That is a match.. wow
Good Job Northern Rose.

I can not remember what report the first sketch came from but it was still in my folder.  It sent goosebumps through me when I saw them together. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 28, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
I know it was from Amber's thread.. I was beginning to go through the 100 pages ..whew it will take awhile..
I had started moving items from the first 100 pages to another thread I had created called "suspects noted in other crimes" as a sub category of Amber's thread so we could keep track and cross reference these type of photos..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 28, 2010, 05:04:13 PM
or sketches


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 05:06:22 PM
I know it was from Amber's thread.. I was beginning to go through the 100 pages ..whew it will take awhile..
I had started moving items from the first 100 pages to another thread I had created called "suspects noted in other crimes" as a sub category of Amber's thread so we could keep track and cross reference these type of photos..


I know it was from Amber's thread as well that is why it creeped me out.  I swear that is the same guy.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 05:07:51 PM
Man exposes self to girls in Bermuda Dunes

Investigators are looking for a man who exposed himself to a pair of girls in Bermuda Dunes this afternoon.

The man exposed himself as he stood outside a parked car in an alley off of Avenue 42, west of Lima Hall Road, according to the Riverside County Sheriff's Department.


A neighbor saw the man and his car, but did not witness the incident, according to investigators.

The suspect is described as a white man in his early to mid-30s with messy, thinning or receding hair. He wore a gray T-shirt and khaki pants.

The vehicle is described as a silver four-door automobile, possibly a newer-model Toyota Corolla.

Anyone with information may call 760-863-8946.

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20100126/NEWS0801/100126042/Man+exposes+self+to+girls+in+Bermuda+Dunes


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on January 28, 2010, 05:10:09 PM
especially if those are different artists..
Same guy


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 05:13:29 PM
13-Year-Old Reports Attempted Abduction
Unknown Man Offers To Give 13-Year-Old Ride Home

TAFT, Calif. -- Deputies said a man not known to a teen asked him to get in his car so he could give him a ride home.

On Monday around 3:15 p.m., deputies took a report of a suspicious circumstance in Taft.

A 13-year-old male reported that while walking on Ash Street near Fillmore Street he was approached by an unknown man in a white Camaro.

The teen told deputies that the man asked him, "Do you want a ride, get in the car and I’ll take you home."

The teen said he ignored the man and walked toward a house in the area.

Deputies said the man left the area in the vehicle.

The driver of the vehicle is described as white, between 30 and 40 years old. He is said to be clean shaven, with dark hair.

The man was last seen wearing a white T-shirt with the words “SO-CAL” in black lettering.

The vehicle is described as a 90s model white Chevrolet Camaro, with a dent on the front right passenger side.

The superintendent of the Taft City school district was notified of the report.

If anyone has information regarding this incident they are urged to contact the Sheriff’s Office at 661-763-8550.

http://www.turnto23.com/south_county/22355676/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 28, 2010, 05:27:49 PM
FOUND IT!!!!

Monday, February 23, 2009
Man tried to lure 10-year-old boy into SUV
Man tried to get boy into his car in Ladera Ranch after seeing him playing, authorities say.
By SALVADOR HERNANDEZ and JOHN CRANDALL
The Orange County Register
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LADERA RANCH – A man in his 30s tried to lure a 10-year-old boy into his SUV by inviting him to go to a party on Sunday afternoon, authorities said.

The boy talked briefly with the man, then became frightened and ran to his house and his parents, said Jim Amormino, spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Department.

This morning, authorities released a sketch of the man who tried to lure the boy in the 30 block of Downing Street. He was described as in his 30s, with blond or light brown hair and a goatee, wearing a black T-shirt with the word "Quiksilver" on it and an earring in his right ear.

Authorities said the man might have been spotted in the area the day before the attempted abduction and that he may be living in or familiar with the area.

The attempted abduction occurred Sunday at about 12:45 p.m., shortly after the boy finished playing with other kids in the neighborhood, Amormino said. The man drove up in a light-colored SUV, possibly a Ford Explorer, and started talking to the boy about playing with other kids.

"Then he asked the kid if he wanted to go to a party," Amormino said. "At that point is when the kid became frightened and called his parents."

The day before that incident, a woman in the same neighborhood had noticed a man with the same description acting suspiciously, Amormino said.

"She just got a feeling that something wasn't right," he said.

The man was near the greenbelt when the attempted abduction took place, Amormino said, and the woman described a man in his 30s inside a light-colored SUV.

An unincorporated community in south Orange County with curved streets and numerous cul-de-sacs, Ladera Ranch is not an easy place to maneuver through, Amormino said. A person unfamiliar with the area can easily get lost in the community.

If the man was spotted in the community two days in a row, it could be a sign that he lives in the area or is very familiar with making his way through the residential streets.

"If there's a strange vehicle, we notice," said Randy Harrison, a sales manager who has lived in Ladera Ranch for more than five years.

Charlie Gugliuzza, an attorney who has lived in the community for about three years near where the man was spotted said he will keep a closer eye on his children.

"It's very disturbing, without question," he said.

Investigators are going through lists of registered sex offenders and are asking the public's help in identifying the man. Anyone with information is asked to call 866-TIP-OCSD or 866-847-6273.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/amormino-boy-area-2315738-through-suspect


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Post by: Nut44x4 on January 28, 2010, 07:53:53 PM
 ::MonkeyBike:: Edward!!! The Landers remains are identified........

LANDERS - Human remains found on private property have been identified as a missing woman from Landers.

Police say Anna Jeanette James had been missing since October of 2008.

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11897991


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Post by: Edward on January 28, 2010, 10:50:10 PM
Thank You so much Nut44x4
I just called Carrie and let her know it was not Amber.
Carrie still feels very positive Amber is alive. I always want to try to keep an open mind.
Another false lead was chased down last weekend out in Slab City looking for Amber and who may have her..
I hope they do find a live Amber. The cases we do research on most of the time go the other direction and it really would be uplifting to find Amber alive..

Somebody tonight has an answer on there missing loved one..
Here is some more info Anna James.
Pretty girl, sad situation indeed.
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4360830900563


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Post by: sebastian on January 29, 2010, 12:06:44 AM
I am so glad that it was not Amber but very sad for the James family.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on January 30, 2010, 09:15:09 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_7505fc51-8aa0-5339-afe5-6fdc87bf620d.html
ESCONDIDO: Family of missing teen to hold walk-a-thon
Event will mark a year since girl's disappearance  EDWARD SIFUENTES - esifuentes@nctimes.com | Posted: January 28, 2010 4:30 pm
The family of missing teen Amber Dubois will hold a walk-a-thon next month to mark the one-year anniversary of her disappearance and to raise funds to continue the search.

Amber was 14 when she was last seen walking to school Feb. 13 near Escondido High School, where she was a freshman. Her disappearance has garnered national attention, including a front-page article on People magazine.

"We want as many people as possible to attend," said Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle.

The walk-a-thon will be held Feb. 13 at the Escondido High School track. There also will be a silent auction and raffle prizes, according to the family.

Proceeds will go to The Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust Fund. The fund has been used to pay for search-related expenses, including 27,000 pamphlets sent to local law enforcement agencies throughout the country, McGonigle said.

Escondido police said the pamphlets have generated praise from other departments and some tips in the case. But the girl's disappearance remains unsolved.

Her parents believe she was abducted and is being held by a stranger.
Police say they have no evidence to support that she was abducted or ran away from home. That is why police have classified the case as a suspicious missing person.

Amber's mother said she believes that publicity is the key to finding her daughter. McGonigle said she plans to print thousands of posters to send to high schools all over the country in hopes that someone might recognize Amber.

The event starts at 8 a.m. at Escondido High School, 1535 N. Broadway. For more information, visit www.BringAmberHome.com or www.AmberLeeanneDubois.com .

Donations, which are not tax-deductible, can be sent to The Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust Fund, P.O. Box 1557, Paramount, CA 90723.

Call staff writer Edward Sifuentes at 760-740-3511.


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Post by: Tracygirl on January 30, 2010, 03:52:44 PM
Thanks for the information on the Landers skull. I am relieved it was not amber but sad it was this other person. So sad how people are found like that. and how disrespecful for this young woman, to have been a toy for a dog. It sickens me. I hope the family is planning a proper funeral for her so she can be laid to rest with dignity.

Can anyone answer for me please what type of events are being held in Ambers other home in Orange County? Someone from there could have very easily taken her. It concerns me there doesn't seem to be as much attention for Amber in the OC area.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 01, 2010, 12:00:40 AM
Thursday I drove again down North Broadway. I drove to the end where a gate stops you and a sign says no dumping and video surveillance. I don't know how to insert an image or I would show you what the end of the road looks like. Aside from a perp living in one of the houses in that area the truck would not use this road. I turned around and took cougar pass road. No way in hell would they have used this road. It is a dirt road and the rain has made it to dangerous to drive. It also has signs put up that say video surveillance. If I were the perp I would not take this road. After a frightening trip up cougar pass, I ended up on Hiddon Meadows Rd. One side has homes the other is a lot of brush. I hope they walked this area because it like and easy place to hide something. I also noticed a Burgundy truck parked along the side of the road. The man appeared to be looking at his tires. I noticed that the tail gate on the truck was partially painted black. Making it appear .... no tailgate. As I was driving away I remembered something I read or saw that Ted Bundy had said. He would always dump in places that he could go back to make sure that the location had not been disturbed. If the location was disturbed or body was found he never went back to the area again.

Trying to get inside the head of a perp makes me believe their thought process is the same as yours and mine. It's how they feel and act on the thoughts that make them so scary. I don't normally drive when it's dark, but Friday I had a late client. Driving home I wondered if I had a body to get rid of where would I dump it. My thinking tells me that I would not do it in the pitch black of night. You wouldn't know if you covered everything up. I would wait till first light before anyone was up and I could see.

We know by Amber's phone that they went North. Even if  someone picked up the phone it was not on long enough for it to have gone any distance.

I don't think Amber was abducted by a gang member or someone young, because I don't think young and dumb would have been able not to sell the check to someone for access steel the account number of Amber's parent.

I have to stop I'm rambaling now and not making sense.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 02, 2010, 04:38:43 PM
I read in an article that Maurice Dubois, the father, lives in La Mirada, ca which is in orange county. In a previous post (I found it somewhere on the internet) somebody said they saw Amber Du Bois in whittier, ca which is in orange county. Whittier is about 13 minutes away from La Mirada. I read in an another article that amber visited her father on the weekends. Amber went missing one day before the weekend. Has anyone researched the sex offenders where the father lives? I would like to add that some guy tried to give me a ride to the library in Oct. or Nov. 2009 and he was driving a white compact car, this happened in Temecula.. don't know if this is any bit significant but he didn't force me to get in, how are you supposed to know if somebody is trying to be nice to you or if they are dangerous? The man was wearing a army type jacket and he was in his late mid-late 20's and looked like Adam Sandler only he was hispanic.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 02, 2010, 04:44:50 PM
I would like to add a few things from the post I made above. The man I was talking about who wanted to give me a ride to the library said this: "I'm not sicko or anything like that", and he also said "I saw you all the way over there and I was gonna ask you if you needed a ride"... also here is the poster who said they heard somebody say they saw amber in whittier, ca it is below:

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OK, I live in Whittier, CA which is approximately 100 miles north of Escondido. I went into a Savers store today--a thrift-type store--and was suprised to see a flyer for Amber. I made a comment about it to the sales guy...a young kid, and he said that apparently she had been seen often in the area and at that store. He then said that she is believed to be a run-away.
Just wanted to pass this on. I seem to be a thread-killer so I apologize in advance for that.

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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 02, 2010, 05:03:12 PM
There is a sex offender who lives in la mirada. He looks like he could be a woman or even pass as amber's mom if he wore the right makeup... it says he is in violation, but I dont know what that means. Here is the link: http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=1869408303668


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 02, 2010, 05:03:52 PM
I don't know what type of effort has been made to find Amber in OC. I asked and have not really ever gotten an answer. I have family and friends in the So Cal area and nobody knew of Amber.

BTW, good for you to not get into that car!


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 02, 2010, 05:50:11 PM
I've been getting confused lately, Maurice Dubois lives in La Mirada, California which is in L.A. County, not Orange county, and Whittier, CA is in L.A. County as well.  I think that somebody from La Mirada took amber, I think that robert blair randall looks very suspicious, he looks like he likes to look like an old lady and give rides to children http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=1869408303668, I tried looking him up on the internet and got this http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/city/story.html?id=4bda1ba7-1076-4c53-8a73-95f0274103de .. this guy is from canada and is 57 and the one from la mirada is 73.


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Post by: Edward on February 02, 2010, 05:59:01 PM
piwannaberookie:
what makes you consider la mirada ?


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 02, 2010, 07:32:35 PM
Amber visited her dad on the weekends, her dad lives in la mirada, she was reported missing on friday, i am guessing this person knew her father indirectly and watched her, knew what school she went to....is it a coincidence that robert randall looks like a woman?


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 02, 2010, 07:57:35 PM
Piwanaberookie
 The birth date on Robert Randall is 7/13/1927. That would make him 82 years old. Just a thought, but this guy could be dead. Even in the best of health at age 82 I don't find it to be possible to abduct a 14 year old without her escaping. I'm guessing but I'd bet he is deceased.

I just watched a you tube video again about the Burgundy truck. Amber's mom said something about she thought that Amber could be in the Truck. It made me think, that it makes sense if he/they abducted Amber on Broadway, the truck going south. It must have had to risk pulling into the school parking lot to subdue Amber (If she fought and was winning the fight they would have to tie her down ) That would explain the first parking and then the turn around to avoid the white car. The video is so grainy that you can not see in the front window even though it is in front of the camera. Once they had her tied down they would be able to drive out of the parking lot without anyone taking notice. That would also explain why you don't see anyone get out of the truck. It's possible that Amber got a door partially open, but  the video is so bad that you would not be able to tell if that happened.



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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 03, 2010, 06:06:13 PM
If he was dead there would be a coroner's report or something like that. I don't think he is dead, he lived long enough for me to see his face.. and that to me, means a lot. There's a robert randall that lives in escondido.The person that took amber could be holding her up for ransom and waiting for the right moment to show her to police to get his money and pretend like he is a good samaritan, it could be like that one movie Ransom with Mel Gibson, but I am just making a suggestion. I just find it a weird that amber's mom works at a printing company and that phillip garrido owned a printing company, maybe there is some kind of connection...


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 03, 2010, 06:32:21 PM
Armando Lucero, 74-year-old, was arrested in 2009 on charges of raping his three daughters over a period of 17 years and also sexually abusing children he fathered with the elder daughter[1][2]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Lucero

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongelli_case
Michele Mongelli (born 1945) is a man from Turin, Italy, who was arrested on March 27, 2009, for allegedly sexually abusing his daughter over 25 years.[1] His son Giuseppe (born 1968) was also arrested on the allegation of abusing his sister and his own four daughters.[2] Because of the similarities, this case has been compared to the Fritzl case in Austria and the Sheffield incest case in Britain.

The 34-year-old daughter was given the pseudonym of Laura by the Italian press and other media.[3] The victims had been kept in conditions of slavery and mistreatment.[4] Laura is the eldest of nine children.[5] She and her four nieces are being given psychiatric help.[6]



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Post by: sebastian on February 03, 2010, 11:46:34 PM
I think that the reason that so much effort has been spent in Escondido as opposed to any other area is that Escondido is where Amber's primary residence is and that is where she was taken from. Amber also spent lots of time with her Grandmother and other relatives who live in other cities. They are a close knit family. Believe me when I tell you, all areas where Amber has been have been covered as well as the family members where she has visited etc. Without getting into too many details, it is my understanding that some acquaintances etc are still being re-questioned. I am hoping that LE has something, ANYTHING! It will be a year that she has been gone February 13th!


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Post by: sebastian on February 03, 2010, 11:49:01 PM
If he was dead there would be a coroner's report or something like that. I don't think he is dead, he lived long enough for me to see his face.. and that to me, means a lot. There's a robert randall that lives in escondido.The person that took amber could be holding her up for ransom and waiting for the right moment to show her to police to get his money and pretend like he is a good samaritan, it could be like that one movie Ransom with Mel Gibson, but I am just making a suggestion. I just find it a weird that amber's mom works at a printing company and that phillip garrido owned a printing company, maybe there is some kind of connection...

Amber's mom is very good friends with the owner and the employees of the printing company where she works. In my opinion, Phillip Garrido would have to have another sicko friend who works for the same printing company for their to be a connection. I don't think that is likely.


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 04, 2010, 01:35:05 AM
I think that the reason that so much effort has been spent in Escondido as opposed to any other area is that Escondido is where Amber's primary residence is and that is where she was taken from. Amber also spent lots of time with her Grandmother and other relatives who live in other cities. They are a close knit family. Believe me when I tell you, all areas where Amber has been have been covered as well as the family members where she has visited etc. Without getting into too many details, it is my understanding that some acquaintances etc are still being re-questioned. I am hoping that LE has something, ANYTHING! It will be a year that she has been gone February 13th!

Please take this the right way but not all areas have been covered because she is not home yet. Until she is home safe and sound it should be assumed everything and anything is a possibility.  I am telling you I have friends and family in the OC area and not one has heard of this case until I told them about it. Not enough people know.


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Post by: Edward on February 04, 2010, 11:20:16 AM
I can't tell you how many times bodies have been found by strangers after professional search teams had already searched that area..

It happened in Yosemite one year while searching for a missing park ranger during the Sund Family murder investigation.
 One of my friends was on that professional SAR team and he said they missed the park ranger by 100 yards and they had dogs and lots of people in the forest during that search.. The body was only 300 yards from a cabin that the woman ranger was probably trying to reach when she was attacked and murdered by the same fellow that murdered the Mrs Sund her Daughter as well as one of the daughters friends who were themselves attacked at a motel where the perp worked..
He was Steven Steiner's brother.. Steven A famous kidnap victim that was found alive and himself later died in an accident.
It was a very strange case.

But the point is even though areas have been searched, if Amber is dead they very well could have missed her.




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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 05, 2010, 09:45:21 PM
if amber used craigslist to hook up with some guy she could have gone to the library or kmart to write to him on the site without anyone detecting that they were in a relationship. Perhaps Amber was having a secret relationship with a boy or boys at her school (or at another school, they may have met through the internet because maybe he was new to the school or something like that) and she was breaking up with this person and he got angry and he did something to her (this boy must have been depressed and uses/abuses drugs etc or jealous that she was talking to other boys)....Jennifer Ross of Mira Mesa (19) and Heather Steimer of Temecula  (18) was murdered by Steimer's Boyfriend, Bennette Lee Douglas of Escondido (19 at the time of the murder) in 2003. Link: http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/article_bf8f7bbf-53da-563b-8cb2-f40e0baf9abc.html. Their bodies were buried in separate locations in escondido. The jury thought that maybe that Douglas was upset with the girlfriend that she was breaking up with him and he killed her and then killed her best friend because she would have suspected that he did it and was afraid the friend would call police.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 05, 2010, 10:19:24 PM
This is going to sound crazy. If I were the detective I would have the two people look who last witnessed amber with that young man and have them look through the school yearbook of all high schools in the area or just the high school amber went to, have the two people make a list of all the boys who match the description of that boy who was last seen with amber. Make a list of all the boys amber has had class with in that high school, and then the ones she wasnt in class with, give a lie detector to all those boys who volunteer to get questioned and want to go through the lie detector test and/or offer a reward to anyone of them during the lie detector test. Keep a close eye on the boys who don't volunteer for the lie detector test, research their criminal history, Get cadaver dogs and warrants to search their backyard or vehicle or whatever of the boys that match the description if the person agrees to take the lie detector test, sounds harsh but it's better than searching in areas like the desert, and it kind of helps rule out she had a secret boyfriend or proves it... get some cadaver dogs out there maybe they might get some good information about what happened to amber, they'd be finding other things they'll be helping the public out, unless the rules or laws won't allow it which I have learned can be pretty difficult to get through, such as rules that won't let you check out somebody's criminal record which can take a while to get I think.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 05, 2010, 11:00:35 PM
If it was a teenage boy who took amber, I don't thinkk he would be driving the red/maroon truck (probably covered with a car cover in the backyard under a carport), maybe if it was a teenage boy who did this, his parents may be in on it and may have helped dispose of the body, but I am only suggesting this because this happened in Hemet, with Jose Campos' murder, by the way his myspace is still on the internet but is "inactive" but you can still see it here http://www.myspace.com/sdjoecampos and you can see his "girlfriend" writing on his myspace...

Here's the link that shows about Jose Campos' murder and I would like to express importance of this case because I lve in a neighborhood where teenagers attend hemet high, the high school Jose Campos attended, one of the pictures on jose campos' myspace,  is him holding a pistol (dont know if its real)... I hope they are loooking through the myspaces of all the teenagers from escondido to search for clues.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 05, 2010, 11:22:20 PM
I had to make major corrections on my previous post sorry...
If it was a teenage boy who took amber, I don't thinkk he would be driving the red/maroon truck (probably covered with a car cover in the backyard under a carport), maybe if it was a teenage boy who did this, his parents may be in on it and may have helped dispose of the body, but I am only suggesting this because this happened in Hemet, CA with [ADRIAN RIOS'S] murder, by the way his friend and murderer, JOSE CAMPOS, has a myspace that is still on the internet but is "inactive" but you can still see it here http://www.myspace.com/sdjoecampos and you can see his photos which show some clues to what kind he liked to do in his spare time or a prediction....

Here's the link that shows about [ADRIAN RIOS' MURDER] http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m12d16-Charred-remains-found-in-Hemet-California-identified-as-missing-teen and I would like to express importance of this case because I lve in a neighborhood where teenagers attend hemet high, the high school [ADRIAN RIOS] attended, one of the pictures on jose campos' myspace [ALLEGED MURDERER OF ADRIAN RIOS],  is him holding a pistol (dont know if its real)... I hope they are loooking through the myspaces of all the teenagers from escondido to search for clues.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 06, 2010, 12:03:12 AM
I was on myspace looking for some old people that might have talked to amber, saw this guy below http://www.myspace.com/ibewin he's 51, says he met the love of his life amber, and is looking for amber's heart back last login date 12.24.2009, last updated 5.23.2009.. he is from monrovia, indiana, says his heroes are pretty ladies that rides bulls and drive red chevy trucks...status single...


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Post by: sebastian on February 06, 2010, 09:34:12 PM
Hi all,
I just wanted to tell you that I went to the meeting today at Amber's mothers house for the walk-a-thon next Saturday. What a great group of people! I finally met Amber's Grandmother and she showed me pictures of Amber at the last Christmas that Amber was here. She wears a bracelet that says Amber and you can tell how close they were. That girl is so loved and the people that surround Amber's mom are so dedicated and hard working. They have given so much of themselves and will do anything that Carrie needs. I really think that the walk-a-thon will be a success and I am praying so hard that Amber will be brought home soon!


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Post by: MuffyBee on February 06, 2010, 10:57:22 PM
Hi all,
I just wanted to tell you that I went to the meeting today at Amber's mothers house for the walk-a-thon next Saturday. What a great group of people! I finally met Amber's Grandmother and she showed me pictures of Amber at the last Christmas that Amber was here. She wears a bracelet that says Amber and you can tell how close they were. That girl is so loved and the people that surround Amber's mom are so dedicated and hard working. They have given so much of themselves and will do anything that Carrie needs. I really think that the walk-a-thon will be a success and I am praying so hard that Amber will be brought home soon!

Thank you sebastian.  And I'm hoping Amber will be brought home soon too.   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 08, 2010, 02:12:28 PM

http://www.allandetrich.com/mandystory.htm

http://www.allandetrich.com/mdapril.htm

Above is a link to a girl's heartbreaking story who went into the child underground to escape abuse. This has not been discussed as far as I can recall. It could be a possibility I suppose.


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Post by: sebastian on February 08, 2010, 05:14:16 PM

http://www.allandetrich.com/mandystory.htm

http://www.allandetrich.com/mdapril.htm

Above is a link to a girl's heartbreaking story who went into the child underground to escape abuse. This has not been discussed as far as I can recall. It could be a possibility I suppose.

If Amber was being abused in any way, she would have told her mother or her father or her grandmother or one of her aunts. I just do not think abuse is the case with Amber. I feel so bad for the others though. How sad.


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 08, 2010, 05:32:24 PM

http://www.allandetrich.com/mandystory.htm

http://www.allandetrich.com/mdapril.htm

Above is a link to a girl's heartbreaking story who went into the child underground to escape abuse. This has not been discussed as far as I can recall. It could be a possibility I suppose.

If Amber was being abused in any way, she would have told her mother or her father or her grandmother or one of her aunts. I just do not think abuse is the case with Amber. I feel so bad for the others though. How sad.

Well I don't know either, I have spoken to Carrie and I would think not, but I also don't think anyone could know forsure. I can tell you one thing, I was worried about posting this here because I didn't want to upset anyone or hurt their feelings. But you know, it is something that has not been discussed and I am not sure if it can be easily dismissed. We just don't know.
Can you answer a question for me? What if anything is being done to raise awareness in OC? After all, this was a home to Amber as well as Escondido. Does Ambers Dad have any events planned in his area?


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Post by: sebastian on February 08, 2010, 11:04:36 PM

http://www.allandetrich.com/mandystory.htm

http://www.allandetrich.com/mdapril.htm

Above is a link to a girl's heartbreaking story who went into the child underground to escape abuse. This has not been discussed as far as I can recall. It could be a possibility I suppose.

If Amber was being abused in any way, she would have told her mother or her father or her grandmother or one of her aunts. I just do not think abuse is the case with Amber. I feel so bad for the others though. How sad.

Well I don't know either, I have spoken to Carrie and I would think not, but I also don't think anyone could know forsure. I can tell you one thing, I was worried about posting this here because I didn't want to upset anyone or hurt their feelings. But you know, it is something that has not been discussed and I am not sure if it can be easily dismissed. We just don't know.
Can you answer a question for me? What if anything is being done to raise awareness in OC? After all, this was a home to Amber as well as Escondido. Does Ambers Dad have any events planned in his area?

I am pretty sure that there have been flier distributions in the Orange County area. Amber's dad has helped out with the different vigils, etc for Escondido. Back to the abuse thing. You have to look at it this way. For the sake of argument, if Amber was being abused by anyone she would have spoken up. The three people closest to Amber were her mother, father and Grandmother and all three of them lived in 3 seperate households. If Carrie's ex-boyfriend was abusing Amber, believe me Amber would have told Carrie. The same goes for her father. If Carrie were abusing Amber she would have told her father or Grandmother. Amber's mother and Grandmother are VERY strong women. Amber knows this. There is no way that any abuse could have gone on and Amber held her silence. I do have a question for you Tracy. You live in the Orange County area. How do I get a hold of you via email?


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2010, 01:17:17 AM
I don't live in the Orange County area now but I am from that area. I have friends and family that do live there and as I said, They had not heard of Amber until I talked about it and I ask them when I talk with them if they have heard anything and the answer is no. Although I do think there was a couple of stories in the OC Register one of my family members talked about. 

I think for the sake of not starting a huge debate I think we will have to agree to disagree on the whole underground thing, because and this is from what you have posted, you didn't know Amber, didn't know any of the family prior to this happening. I just can't agree you would know for sure that Amber would do this or that. I think the whole idea of an underground to escape abuse is pretty much a long, long shot, however it is something.

BTW it doesn't have to be a close family member or a family member at all. It could be a friend, a friends family member, a neighbor...Not all abuse victims, especially children will talk to a trusted parent, most do not. 


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Post by: sebastian on February 09, 2010, 01:42:51 AM
I don't live in the Orange County area now but I am from that area. I have friends and family that do live there and as I said, They had not heard of Amber until I talked about it and I ask them when I talk with them if they have heard anything and the answer is no. Although I do think there was a couple of stories in the OC Register one of my family members talked about. 

I think for the sake of not starting a huge debate I think we will have to agree to disagree on the whole underground thing, because and this is from what you have posted, you didn't know Amber, didn't know any of the family prior to this happening. I just can't agree you would know for sure that Amber would do this or that. I think the whole idea of an underground to escape abuse is pretty much a long, long shot, however it is something.

BTW it doesn't have to be a close family member or a family member at all. It could be a friend, a friends family member, a neighbor...Not all abuse victims, especially children will talk to a trusted parent, most do not. 

You are correct that I did not know Amber or any of the family prior to her disappearance. Having said this, I have now spoken to her best friend, her mother's ex-boyfriend, numerous friends of the family, her Grandmother etc etc etc. I just don't see abuse in the picture. Not just because of having met those closest to Amber and having conversations with them but because there did not appear to be any signs. Amber was getting great grades and was super excited about getting her lamb for 4-H. I would think that if there was some sort of abuse going on, that there would have been some sign of something. LE has interviewed her friends and relatives over and over and over. I would think that Amber would have told someone. If you know something that I don't know, please speak up. Amber will be gone for a year on Saturday and to my knowledge, there are not any leads. If you have anything that might help I would be open to entertain any possibility. Ican only tell you my feelings on the subject but you are right, I have never met Amber and I certainly did not know what was going on in her head. I don't know what is going on in my own kids heads sometimes, lol! I just want this girl found!


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 09, 2010, 12:56:19 PM
Sebastian,
At the risk of you hating me I am going to say something that has bothered me for a little while.
There seems to be times you put the brakes on certain things and I have to say I think it gets in the way. I know you have spoken to the family members and her friends and that is important as you give an insight which those of us in cyberland don't have, however, you are also speaking to those which may have a preconditioned idea of what has happened. I don't know Amber, I have spoken to Carrie one time on the phone and as much as I liked her and my heart goes out to her, I can also see she has a perception of Amber that does not match up in my opinion.
I am not sure what those in Ambers family and her friends want from us here, maybe you all feel our ideas and suggestions are getting in the way? Would you like me to step away and not post any idea's? I am not going anywhere btw, not until she is found. I am not trying to anger anyone and I am certainly not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, but could this be a possibility? Who knows.
This abuse thing has not been brought up, not just in this case but many on the boards. I read it and thought well we have really nothing else, so why not. Something has obviously been missed or Amber would have been found already. If she is alive she either was kidnapped, she ran away or is being hidden willingly or unwillingly.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 09, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Abuse by peers in school is a very likely factor. I remember when I was 12 I was bullied a lot, there was this girl that constantly bullied me, made fun of my clothes, tripped me and made me fall down, and also would kick the back of my seat while I was in class and the teacher never cared just blamed me when I tried to defend myself by writing a note that said "I will kill you if you don't stop" and the teacher told my mom this and acted as if I was seriously going to kill the girl, maybe if the teacher realized what was going on and did something about it, I would not have to write such a note.  guess teachers are afraid to get involved. . I thought little of myself in school and continued because I was being bullied so much, one time a group of boys on valentines day threw rocks towards me and jokingly asked me "wanna go out with me?" and they just taunted me because I was fat and hideous. One time I decided not to go to school because I hated everything about being picked on and then my parents got mad at me when they got a phone call saying I was truant. Schools don't do enough to protect the students and they don't do enough to make students feel welcome, all they care about is getting them to school ("no child left behind") and making sure there are no weapons on campus, maybe I needed to go to counseling who knows, I don't know if Amber had any bullies, but she could have and maybe her teachers know about it and they don't want to say anything, maybe they should go through a lie detector test to determine what they know might have happened to Amber.


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Post by: sebastian on February 09, 2010, 10:52:39 PM
Sebastian,
At the risk of you hating me I am going to say something that has bothered me for a little while.
There seems to be times you put the brakes on certain things and I have to say I think it gets in the way. I know you have spoken to the family members and her friends and that is important as you give an insight which those of us in cyberland don't have, however, you are also speaking to those which may have a preconditioned idea of what has happened. I don't know Amber, I have spoken to Carrie one time on the phone and as much as I liked her and my heart goes out to her, I can also see she has a perception of Amber that does not match up in my opinion.
I am not sure what those in Ambers family and her friends want from us here, maybe you all feel our ideas and suggestions are getting in the way? Would you like me to step away and not post any idea's? I am not going anywhere btw, not until she is found. I am not trying to anger anyone and I am certainly not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, but could this be a possibility? Who knows.
This abuse thing has not been brought up, not just in this case but many on the boards. I read it and thought well we have really nothing else, so why not. Something has obviously been missed or Amber would have been found already. If she is alive she either was kidnapped, she ran away or is being hidden willingly or unwillingly.

Hi Tracy,
First of all, I could never hate you! I know how much you care about these kids! I can only give you my perspective and then tell you why I feel that way, but someone else may have a different perspective. I put the breaks on some things because Carrie tells me things that cannot be out on the net. There have been times that leads have come in and until they have been followed up on, I cannot say anything. I think you can understand this. As it stands right now, I have no idea where Amber is. LE does not tell Carrie too much so if they have a lead, Carrie would probably not even know about it. Both Carrie and her ex Dave have told me that they have given LE a list of all friends and acquaintances and family members. To my knowledge these people have all been checked out. To my knowledge. I can only hope that LE has done the obvious. I am completely baffled and do not want to squelch any direction that you wish to go.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 09, 2010, 10:54:28 PM
Abuse by peers in school is a very likely factor. I remember when I was 12 I was bullied a lot, there was this girl that constantly bullied me, made fun of my clothes, tripped me and made me fall down, and also would kick the back of my seat while I was in class and the teacher never cared just blamed me when I tried to defend myself by writing a note that said "I will kill you if you don't stop" and the teacher told my mom this and acted as if I was seriously going to kill the girl, maybe if the teacher realized what was going on and did something about it, I would not have to write such a note.  guess teachers are afraid to get involved. . I thought little of myself in school and continued because I was being bullied so much, one time a group of boys on valentines day threw rocks towards me and jokingly asked me "wanna go out with me?" and they just taunted me because I was fat and hideous. One time I decided not to go to school because I hated everything about being picked on and then my parents got mad at me when they got a phone call saying I was truant. Schools don't do enough to protect the students and they don't do enough to make students feel welcome, all they care about is getting them to school ("no child left behind") and making sure there are no weapons on campus, maybe I needed to go to counseling who knows, I don't know if Amber had any bullies, but she could have and maybe her teachers know about it and they don't want to say anything, maybe they should go through a lie detector test to determine what they know might have happened to Amber.

Hi Pi!
Bullies are horrible and I am so sorry that you had to endure the abuse. It is interesting that you brought up bullies. Just today I signed a permission slip for one of my kids to attend a bullies seminar at school. The school is offering a bully seminar to all students to discourage the very thing that you are talking about. Let us just hope that it helps!


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Post by: Lovinlife on February 10, 2010, 02:35:58 PM
The following respectfully snipped from article, click link to read the rest of the story:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1463592-p2.html

Outreach workers carry a small, glossy pamphlet filled with the pictures of missing teenagers. They are black and white and Hispanic, blonde and auburn and braided. The booklet includes a short introduction from the family of Amber Dubois, a 15-year-old Escondido, Calif. girl who vanished on Feb. 13, 2009, a short distance from her high school: ``I am a football fan, but this Super Bowl, the champions will not be the Colts or the Saints for me. It will be your search team. For every girl you find and rescue, it will be a game-winning touchdown all over again.''

The message was written by 70-year-old Sheila Welch, Amber's grandmother.

``To think that something that is supposed to be all-American, the sport of our country, actually has an underground of sex trafficking is horrible,'' Welch told The Miami Herald.

The girls pictured in the handbook ``all look like babies,'' Welch said. ``But they are not babies anymore. They lost their childhood.''

For the outreach workers, reaching their targets is not an easy job. Novicki calls them ``a tough crowd.''

Said volunteer Eddy Ameen, the executive director of StandUp For Kids -- Miami: ``We are not seen as saviors.''

The girls the group encounters are street-wise, distrustful, hardened and fearful of strangers -- who can get them beaten if the girl's pimp feels threatened. Some girls view their pimps as family: someone who fed them, clothed them, loved them when no one else would.

``Nobody is saying, `Thank goodness you came and saved me,' '' Novicki said. But on a good day, a girl may take the group's card and hang onto it. Some time later, she said -- maybe after a beating or a night of particularly rough sex -- a girl may find the card and use it.

The pimps do not give up easily -- and for good reason.

The National Center estimates there are between 100,000 and 150,000 underaged sex workers who generate billions of dollars in revenue for their pimps. The girls can travel around the country in ``circuits.'' Authorities contend the enterprise is controlled by organized crime.

In May, DCF began identifying in the agency's hot line children who fell victim to human trafficking. To date, they have recovered almost 85 children -- the largest number, 17, last month, said DCF spokesman Joe Follick in Tallahassee.

Shared Hope International, a research and rescue group, reported in a May 2009 report that during a five-year period of servitude, an underaged prostitute might be ``raped'' by 6,000 men -- assuming a five-night-per-week schedule.

And if the everyday job description of a child prostitute is bad enough, times of ``peak'' demand, such as a sporting event, are particularly onerous.

``Children exploited through prostitution typically are given a quota by their trafficker/pimp of 10-15 buyers per night,'' the Shared Hope report says, adding, ``though some service providers report girls having been sold to as many as 45 buyers in a night at peak demand times, such as a sporting event or convention.''

So far this week, three children have been recovered by a missing kid specialist with a South Florida foster care agency, Skelaney said.

For Carrie McGonigle, Amber Dubois' mother, finding her daughter as a sex worker would be a blessing, because all the other possibilities are arguably worse. McGonigle, who works for a printer, published the glossy pamphlets volunteers are using to identify missing kids in Miami.

``It would be good news,'' McGonigle said. ``I've already dealt with what that would mean if we find her.''


Light Amber's way home: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 10, 2010, 09:59:04 PM
Yeah, its about time they publicize bullying in the schools and not the stuff on the news showing columbine shootings and murder which doesn't help stop bullying.

Hi Pi!
Bullies are horrible and I am so sorry that you had to endure the abuse. It is interesting that you brought up bullies. Just today I signed a permission slip for one of my kids to attend a bullies seminar at school. The school is offering a bully seminar to all students to discourage the very thing that you are talking about. Let us just hope that it helps!
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: chi-monkey on February 11, 2010, 01:01:25 PM
Sebastian,
At the risk of you hating me I am going to say something that has bothered me for a little while.
There seems to be times you put the brakes on certain things and I have to say I think it gets in the way. I know you have spoken to the family members and her friends and that is important as you give an insight which those of us in cyberland don't have, however, you are also speaking to those which may have a preconditioned idea of what has happened. I don't know Amber, I have spoken to Carrie one time on the phone and as much as I liked her and my heart goes out to her, I can also see she has a perception of Amber that does not match up in my opinion.
I am not sure what those in Ambers family and her friends want from us here, maybe you all feel our ideas and suggestions are getting in the way? Would you like me to step away and not post any idea's? I am not going anywhere btw, not until she is found. I am not trying to anger anyone and I am certainly not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, but could this be a possibility? Who knows.
This abuse thing has not been brought up, not just in this case but many on the boards. I read it and thought well we have really nothing else, so why not. Something has obviously been missed or Amber would have been found already. If she is alive she either was kidnapped, she ran away or is being hidden willingly or unwillingly.

I too wish I knew what we could do that would be helpful to finding Amber.  After my warning about possibly harming the efforts to find Amber alive, I am no longer posting.   That seems to be what is wanted.    Wish we could help.

Chi-M


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 11, 2010, 01:41:43 PM
I too wish I knew what we could do that would be helpful to finding Amber.  After my warning about possibly harming the efforts to find Amber alive, I am no longer posting.   That seems to be what is wanted.    Wish we could help.
Chi-M

Chi-Monkey,
This thread is like no other on Scared Monkeys.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 11, 2010, 01:55:14 PM
What is the name of the farm that supplies the animals to the club at Amber's school?
What is the address of her fathers house that Amber spent weekends at?
What if any activities was Amber a part of in the OC area?
Did any neighbor or passerby see any work vehicals in that area the morning of the 13th?
Did the police question the parents that dropped off their children that day?
Were any of the properties of RSO in that area searched?
Who was the last person Amber spoke to that morning and what did she talk about?
Was Ambers friends families researched, not questioned by LE but backround checks performed etc both in the OC area and the Escondido Area?
Where all of the the camera's checked, i.e. intersection, freeway, business, schools, church, homes?

These are a just a few of the questions that could spark an online discussion into this case. It has been almost one year since Amber went missing...At this point I don't see how getting the answers to these and other questions could endanger Amber. Something has been missed because she is not home.

 


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Post by: chi-monkey on February 11, 2010, 06:34:00 PM
This is an excellent summation of Amber's status.  Explanation of the LE viewpoint of the situation is clear and some good points are made.  IMO


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/10/ambers-mystery/

Amber’s mystery
With no solid clues since the Escondido teen disappeared a year ago, family and police remain frustrated and heartbroken over …

By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Wednesday, February 10, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.
Carrie McGonigle, mother of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, spoke about how her life has changed dramatically in the past year, from her behaviors to her friends to her home.

Earnie Grafton / UNION-TRIBUNE


Amber Leeanne Dubois would be 15 now. Amber was last seen walking to classes at Escondido High School the morning of Feb. 13, 2009.
AMBER DUBOIS FUNDRAISER

A walk-a-thon to raise money for the Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust Fund is 8 a.m. Saturday at Escondido High School, 1535 N. Broadway. For information, go to BringAmberHome.com or AmberLeeanneDubois.com.

REWARD

A $100,000 reward has been offered for information about Amber’s whereabouts. Call (760) 743-8477. When Amber disappeared, she was 5 feet, 6 inches tall, weighed 130 pounds, and had brown hair and blue eyes.

On a dresser in Amber Dubois' bedroom sits a pile of neatly folded clothes. For the longest time, Carrie McGonigle, Amber’s mother, was unable to make herself clean her daughter’s jeans and blouses. Just last month she finally washed the items, almost a year after Amber went missing.

Saturday marks the anniversary of her disappearance. She was 14 at the time and would be 15 now, if she is alive.

“I never want to say it, but I would rather lose a child to death then to have a child missing,” said McGonigle, 42. “I have a friend whose daughter died. She said she would rather know that (her child) was in heaven than not know where she is at all.”

Amber disappeared shortly after 7 a.m. Feb. 13 while walking to classes at Escondido High School. Despite thousands of hours of continuing investigation, what happened is still a deep mystery.

“This case has been very hard on everybody involved,” Escondido police Sgt. John Russo said. “Nobody can pretend to know what it’s like to lose a child unless it’s happened to you. But as professional peace officers, we feel very frustrated by this as well because we take great pride in our job.

... 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 12, 2010, 12:02:17 AM
Thank you Chi Monkey for the article. It is heartbreaking that Amber seems to have just vanished. My heart really does got out to Carrie. As a mother my heart broke the evening I spoke to her. I cannot even pretend to know what she feels inside, I can guess but I am sure I do not even get close.
I am so sorry Carrie that we have not found Amber, so sorry. If there is anything ever you need from me please do not hesitate for a moment to call on me. I am here at your disposal.

Prayers to you Amber. Where ever you are tonight I pray God is with you and protecting you.


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Post by: sebastian on February 12, 2010, 12:46:16 PM
I do not know the answers to all of your questions Tracy. I can talk to Carrie and see if after the walk-a-thon she can come on here and post. All of her energies are going into the walk-a-thon tomorrow. It is my understanding that the last person that spoke to Amber was her Grandmother. She spoke to her on her cellphone. To my knowledge, it was a typical phone call and nothing out of the norm. They spoke via cellphone a lot as they were very close. Without divulging too much, I have a good opinion of Escondido LE at this point. They have re-interviewed many people lately that were mere acquaintances of Amber. Unfortunately TO MY KNOWLEDGE, nothing has come out of any of it at this point. Maybe they have suspects? I don't know. I can only hope!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 12, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
~ Amber Leeanne Dubois ~
Missing Since 2/13/2009



We will not give up Amber!  Monkeys never give up!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/hangingwithamonkey-1.jpg)

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber


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Post by: sebastian on February 12, 2010, 11:49:57 PM
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/22550318/detail.html A friend sent me this link from El Paso. Another sicko pimping out a 16 year old girl! At least he was caught! Kudos to El Paso LE!


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 13, 2010, 12:37:27 PM
This is a link regarding info about Amber one year later. The cell tower was on Amber Lane and has a five mile radius. The Red Truck is no longer in question.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_17edfcec-657a-5398-8295-4b1ada991f56.html

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_17edfcec-657a-5398-8295-4b1ada991f56.html (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_17edfcec-657a-5398-8295-4b1ada991f56.html)

Not sure how to insert stuff.


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Post by: Edward on February 13, 2010, 01:35:44 PM
God Bless everyone who is at the walkathon today in support of the missing child
Amber Dubois.



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Post by: Edward on February 13, 2010, 01:38:17 PM
This is a link regarding info about Amber one year later. The cell tower was on Amber Lane and has a five mile radius. The Red Truck is no longer in question.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_17edfcec-657a-5398-8295-4b1ada991f56.html

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_17edfcec-657a-5398-8295-4b1ada991f56.html (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_17edfcec-657a-5398-8295-4b1ada991f56.html)

Not sure how to insert stuff.


A vague description of a boy, a blurry videotape, a brief cell phone signal and two people who said they saw Amber Dubois the morning she disappeared one year ago ---- that is all Escondido police have to solve one of the most mystifying cases in the city's history.

On the morning of Friday, Feb. 13, 2009, 14-year-old Amber ate a bowl of cereal, slipped on a hoodie and jeans, walked to school and was never seen again.

Nothing appeared out of the ordinary that drizzly winter morning.

Her mother, Carrie McGonigle, awakened her to say goodbye before going to work. They spoke about a lamb that Amber, a freshman at Escondido High School, was looking forward to buying that day and raising as part of the school's Future Farmers of America program.

"I went over and I gave her a kiss, and I said, 'I'll be home from work early. We'll go see a movie tonight,'" McGonigle said.

The case of the missing teen has garnered national media attention. Teams of searchers have fanned throughout the region, and police departments across the nation have been blanketed with fliers. Private investigators, FBI agents and lost-children advocacy groups have helped in the search.

Still, Amber seems to have vanished.

Detectives from the Escondido Police Department, the lead agency in the case, are baffled and frustrated, but they have not given up.

"This is still an open case," said Lt. Bob Benton. "The case will remain open as long as she is missing."

Disappeared

Each year, more than 500 people, most of them children, are reported missing in Escondido, police said. Most are found within days. In typical cases, there's an explanation. Most of them are children who leave home because of disagreements with their parents. Few are abducted, police said.

Amber's case doesn't fit neatly into any of those categories, police said.

"Amber has no history of running away before," said Detective Beverly Marquez, who has 15 years of experience working missing-person cases. "She's a pretty good kid, kind of a bookworm. She enjoys school, and there was nothing to show that she planned on running away."

Amber did not take any extra clothes. She did not take any extra money. She left nothing to suggest she was unhappy, police said.

There is no evidence she was taken by force, either, said Sgt. John Russo, who is in charge of the investigation.

"In 99 percent of the cases that we get, we have something that takes us down one of those paths," Russo said. "We have cell phone calls, we have letters, we have notes, we have something to say, 'Oh, yeah, she runs away once a week.' We have something that gives us a pattern. We don't have that here."

Bookish girl

Amber, who was crazy about wolves, had a peculiar walk, her mother said ---- a slow, bouncing stride that resembled her father's. Maurice "Mo" Dubois, an Orange County electrical engineer, and McGonigle separated when Amber was a baby.

McGonigle also has a 6-year-old, a daughter by Dave Cave, a former longtime boyfriend. Depending on her mood, Amber sometimes referred to him as her stepfather, Cave said. The couple and the two children lived in Cave's Escondido home on Fire Mountain Place, about a half mile from the high school.

Cave was the last family member to see Amber that morning. He gave her the $200 check she needed to buy the lamb. Amber was sitting in the living room of their two-story home, eating a bowl of cereal, as Cave walked out the door about 6 a.m. on his way to the gym, he said.

Amber's younger sister was with her grandmother, Sheila Welch, a Los Angeles-area lawyer.

After Cave left that morning, police know little about what happened to Amber. A couple of neighbors told police they spotted her on her way to school. A boy was seen walking next to her minutes before she went missing.

On Saturday, Feb. 14, 2009, Amber's cell phone was turned on briefly and then went silent, police said.

Since then, police said they have received more than 1,600 leads. They have interviewed about 600 people. The case has filled about a dozen 5-inch-thick binders.

But they still don't know what happened to Amber.

Videotape

The last time anyone saw Amber that Friday morning was about 7:09 a.m., police say.

She was walking south on North Broadway near Escondido High School's athletic field. Had she walked another 200 yards, past the school's football stadium, Amber may have come within view of a security camera mounted on top of the gym.

"Every morning, she meets her friends, believe it or not, right under the video camera," Benton said.

A neighbor who had dropped his son off at school said he noticed Amber walking on the sidewalk as he drove north on Broadway. Another neighbor who was heading south on the same road to drop off her son said she nearly stopped to give Amber a ride because it was drizzling that morning.

She told police she did not stop because she believed Amber was walking with a boy, Benton said. Both neighbors were seen on the school's security camera video dropping their kids off within minutes of each other, between 7:08 a.m. and 7:10 a.m.

The young man is described as tall and dark-skinned, about high school age. No one has come forward to identify him or even to verify he was walking with Amber and wasn't just someone walking past her.

Police said he may have been the last person to see her.

"To this day, we have yet to identify who this boy is," Benton said. "But we believe he holds the key to what happened to her."

Typical day

On any typical school day, North Broadway is a commuter's nightmare shortly before school starts at 7:30 a.m. Hundreds of vehicles crowd the four-lane road as parents drop off their children at the high school.

On Feb. 13, 2009, the road was even busier and harder to navigate, say school officials and police. More parents drove their kids to school because of the wet weather.

Construction trucks delivering material to the school also were lined up by the curb near the football stadium, forcing parents to drop off their students farther north on the road and closer to where Amber was last seen, Benton said.

"Based on the amount of traffic and the amount of people (in the area), her being kidnapped off the street is not likely," Benton said. "If there was a commotion, it would have been seen by somebody."

The following Tuesday, police set up a roadblock at the northern end of the school, where Amber was last seen, to question everyone traveling through the area. They asked whether anyone had seen anything. They also asked the parents who saw her last to look at yearbooks to see whether they could identify the boy.

Their efforts yielded nothing.

Unlike the police, family members don't believe the boy may be the key to unraveling the mystery of Amber's disappearance. They say the girl that people saw may not have been Amber at all, and the boy may simply have been someone walking by.

Amber, who was wearing black jeans and a black hoodie that day, was probably wearing her hood up because of the rain, making her difficult to recognize even for those who knew her, said Welch, her grandmother.

"When you're walking along Broadway and people are wearing hoodies, it's very difficult to spot someone," she said.

Dead ends

The next day, Amber's cell phone was turned on, police said. Someone attempted to check the phone's voice mail. The signal was picked up by a cell tower on Amber Lane in northern Escondido. The tower covers a five-mile radius, which means the phone could have been just about anywhere in Escondido.

Police issued an emergency alert phone call to homes in the area asking whether anyone had seen Amber, but again, they found nothing.

The investigation has produced countless dead ends, police said. Promising leads have withered under closer scrutiny.

Early in their investigation, police said they were looking for a red truck that was seen on the school's blurry security tape for a moment shortly before Amber's disappearance. Police sent the video to Department of Defense image laboratories for sophisticated analysis.

The truck was identified as an early 2000s model red Dodge Ram with aftermarket chrome rails and running boards.

Detectives later learned that the truck belonged to the parent of a student at the high school. They questioned the parent and determined the truck probably had nothing to do with the girl's disappearance.

Fruitless searches

In their investigation, Escondido police have worked with FBI agents and investigators with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They have contacted law enforcement in Canada (Amber has extended family in Montreal), Mexico and across the globe.

Amber's father, mother and her mother's longtime boyfriend all voluntarily took and passed polygraph tests shortly after the teen vanished, police said.

The case has been featured on several television shows, including "America's Most Wanted," "The Tyra Banks Show" and "The Steve Wilkos Show." Family members believe publicity may be the key to finding Amber.

Nationwide exposure has led to some interesting developments, police said. Several girls, including some runaways, have been found because of the publicity. One girl was found in Washington state and another in San Francisco, police said; both could have been Amber's twin sisters.

Since she disappeared, family members and the public have conducted numerous vigils and searches. The pain of losing a daughter and the frustration of fruitless searches has taken a toll on the family.

Maurice Dubois said he has been unable to return to work since his daughter went missing. McGonigle said every waking hour is consumed by her need to find Amber.

McGonigle moved out of the family home six weeks into the search, in part, she said, because reminders of what she had lost were all around. She now lives with a friend just a few blocks away.

"I couldn't function in the house where Amber lived," she said.

'Going through hell'

Amber's grandmother, a trial attorney, said she also has been unable to work.

"You vacillate between hope and despair," Welch said in a phone interview, her voice breaking as she spoke about a bracelet given to her by her daughter as a symbol of hope and faith. "I try to stay on that side (hope), but some days it's really hard."

A rift developed between Amber's mother and grandmother in September, but both McGonigle and Welch said they've moved past the split and are focused on finding Amber.

"I believe I raised three daughters that are individual thinkers," Welch said. "If they agreed with me 100 percent of the time, I would think I haven't been a good mother."

In her Escondido home one recent evening, McGonigle was folding T-shirts in preparation for a walkathon scheduled for Saturday to mark the one-year anniversary of Amber's disappearance.

Numerous pictures of her daughter hang in the hall. In the bedroom, a large calendar keeps track of Amber-related events she has scheduled.

Sitting in her living room earlier this month, McGonigle veered from nervous laughter to near tears. She said she had come to grips with the possibility that her daughter may be in a horrific situation, but she was not willing to concede that Amber may never come home.

"I know she is alive," she said.

"I mean, I don't know it for a fact, but everything in my heart tells me she is alive."


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Post by: Edward on February 13, 2010, 02:23:14 PM

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For dad, an 'unbelievable disaster'

"It is the most unbelievable disaster that can happen to a family," Maurice "Moe" Dubois, father of missing teen Amber Dubois, said last week in a telephone call from his Buena Park home. "You want everyone to drop everything no matter who they are and find your kid.

"It's hard to explain to a person what happens," he continued. "Everything changes, from your relationships with your family and friends to how you look at the world.

"It is a day-to-day struggle. I haven't been back to work. I can't work. I try. I am an electronic engineer ... but when I try to focus on that, I think about Amber and what I could be doing right now and where she is."

Dubois, 40, said he believes his daughter was taken by a stranger in a "brazen abduction," and he has come to grips with the "why": the sex trade, he suspects.

"She fit a specific criteria: a plain-looking white girl with baby fat," Dubois said of his daughter, age 14 when she disappeared.

When Moe Dubois was 16, his brother was the victim of a boating crash. Days passed before his brother's body was found.

"The difficult part was going a week without knowing what happened, because his body disappeared into the lake," he said. "Once he was found and we had closure, it was easier to move on."

With Amber, he said, "Our biggest struggle every day is not knowing. Is she waiting for us to walk in (and rescue her)?"

'This is my granddaughter'

About three years ago, animal-loving Amber Dubois spotted a dog at a horse farm, then matter-of-factly told grandmother Sheila Welch: "You need this puppy."

The girl handed the stubby-tailed Shar-Pei to the reluctant Welch ---- and the little dog promptly wet on her.

Still, the granddaughter prevailed; they brought the dog home.

Later, Welch would find herself turning to dogs to connect to Amber again. In August, she paid to bring trained canines from Maine to try to find the missing Escondido girl.

A trial lawyer living in the Los Angeles-area city of Paramount, Welch has given up her practice and poured her time and money into finding Amber. Welch, 70, said she is too distraught to work and has used her retirement money to fund searches.

"I can be fine and then all of a sudden, boom," Welch said. "No warning. It's not fair to my clients.

"The first time I went to court after Amber went missing, I got as far as 'Your Honor,' and then the tears came. The court went silent and I lost it. I reached into my briefcase, took out the 'missing' flier and said, 'This is my granddaughter.'"

Indeed, the family stress over the search for Amber led to two distinct camps: one headed by the missing girl's parents, the other headed by maternal grandmother Welch.

Last summer, Amber's parents said they wanted the police to lead the investigation and that Welch had taken too much control over the search. Welch brought in a public relations specialist against their wishes, hired a private investigator and controls a new trust fund set up for Amber.

The family fracture led to two separate Web sites and competing efforts for media attention.

Welch blamed the division on the sheer strain of searching for Amber and said the rift no longer remains. Amber's parents confirmed that their differences have been set aside.

Since Amber's disappearance, Welch's oldest dog has died and another has fallen ill. That leaves China, the stubby-tailed Shar-Pei, to comfort the grieving grandmother.

"She was right," Welch said. "I needed this dog."

A teenage cousin 'screaming inside'

Amber Dubois, 14, and her cousin, Kelly Elsbernd, 17, had a silly tradition when they were together. When the digital clock read 11:11, they would make a wish and then look away. If they looked back before the time changed to 11:12, the wish was lost.

In the last year, Kelly said, she has made the same wish every night: for Amber's safe return. And then she looks away for at least 20 minutes.

"Every moment I am screaming inside, wondering if she is OK, if she is alive," Kelly said.

The cousins were two years apart, and grew up as close as sisters. Their family referred to them simply as "the girls."

"I still have her number in my phone as my No. 1 on speed dial," said Kelly, a junior at an Anaheim high school. "Sometimes I still call her, hoping that maybe she will pick up."

Amber's phone has not given off a signal since the day after her disappearance.

"So many people ask if she ran away, ask if her family is bad," Kelly said. "It makes me angry, because they don't know her. ... There is just no way she would leave. Someone took her away."

Kelly said police questioned her during a three-hour interview at the Escondido police station last year.

"I really hated that tiny little room," she said. "Two big guys were staring at me saying, 'Do you know where Amber is?' And I didn't. It's not scary, it's just that they sit there asking questions, questions, questions.

"The only thing that scared me is the questions they were asking ---- I didn't have the answers."

A friend 'way past depression'

Jade Fidel was brittle long before her closest friend vanished. Now she feels broken.

When Jade was 5 years old, her mother was diagnosed with a degenerative illness and has since become disabled and bedridden.

Jade found comfort in her best friend, Amber Dubois, whom she met in middle school. They shared a love of animals, movies and books, especially the many vampire series so popular among teenage girls.

Now a sophomore at Escondido High School, Jade, 15, admits she has "really distanced myself" from other friends after Amber vanished. She also has dropped out of marching band.

Jade's father, Jeff Fidel, said his daughter has gone "way past depression," and her grades plummeted to the point where she is in catch-up classes.

Seated sideways on her living room couch, her legs stretched out, the teenager said she is trying to recover from the disappearance of her friend a year ago.

"I don't cry as often," she said. "I used to cry at the beginning, sometimes three times a day, sometimes 10. It was that way for the first 10 months. Now, I only cry maybe once a week, because, unfortunately, it is something I have to deal with, whether I like it or not."

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_4b0627b5-3c79-5cf3-93dc-3bb32aecac88.html


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 13, 2010, 02:53:50 PM
Thank you for posting the articles, they are simply heartbreaking to read. In my opinion though some of the information raises more questions. Prayers that some day these questions will all be answered and Amber will be found.

Many, many prayers are being sent to help ambers family some how get through this day. I am so sorry for your pain.   


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Post by: Edward on February 13, 2010, 03:10:47 PM
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This was not supposed to happen, this first anniversary marking Amber Dubois' disappearance.

How does a 14-year-old vanish in front of her high school on a crowded Escondido street just 20 minutes before school starts? Everyone is stumped about what happened to Amber after she was last seen at 7:09 a.m. on Feb. 13, 2009.

"I just never thought she would be gone this long," said her mother, Carrie McGonigle. "With nothing, no leads."

Amber, a shy, book-loving teen who had joined her high school's Future Farmers of America group, doesn't fit the profile of a typical runaway. Her family is convinced she was abducted for sex slavery.

In the cruel year since Amber vanished, her mother has found herself disappearing, too.

"I can't focus," McGonigle, 41, said. "I jump all over the place. I can't sit still. Like if I get a tip about a Web site or a blog. Like this one (tip), even though I knew it was deleted, I had to find it. For eight days, I got two hours of sleep until I found it."
In that instance, she said, she had been chasing an odd item found on an out-of-the-way Web site, a posting about a man who said he was keeping a 14-year-old girl in his basement. She found the posting and, as with every tip she gets, passed it on to police investigators. It turned out to be a dead end.

When she stops moving, when all is quiet, "That's when I start freaking out," she said. "How do I find the strength? I don't. People ask me that all the time: How do you keep going? I just have to, I don't have a choice. I have to keep looking for her. And I will."

That search has led her to follow even the vaguest tips.

"Just this week, this lady e-mailed me and said, 'I am not a psychic, but I was meditating and an address came to me,'" McGonigle said. "I never know. I'm not going to dismiss it."

So McGonigle, with a friend in tow, went to the local address at night, armed with flashlights and peeking into vans. They found nothing.

A different person, this one claiming to be a psychic, sent her to a place called Slab City, near the Salton Sea. "It's a wayward place where people live," she said. "It's a place that, if I woke up there, I wouldn't know how to get out or who to trust."

After a number of two-hour treks to the remote site, she learned that a teenager had been spotted out there. But it wasn't Amber.

Three times now, her efforts to meet with well-known psychics have fallen through.

Her search also includes traditional techniques. McGonigle works at Golden State Graphics, a San Marcos printing company. Most recently, she helped design a slick, glossy mailer and sent it to police agencies nationwide. It includes business-card size punchouts, each with Amber's photo, so officers from Washington to Florida can carry it with them if they choose to.

Next up is a mailer directed at high schools across the country.

This is on top of grabbing national media exposure, from talk shows to "America's Most Wanted" to seeing her daughter's picture on the cover of People magazine.

At night, she watches a videotape of her daughter. And throughout the day, she pushes for vigils and plans more searches.

"People ask me all the time, 'How are you so sure?' that she didn't run away," McGonigle said. "Everything she thought she was getting away with, I had already done. I'd go to the store, pull down the driveway, walk back up the hill and peek in the windows to check on her."

She said she sometimes peeked in Amber's backpack, or scrolled through her text messages. Nothing indicated the college-bound girl had a wild side.

"I would tell her, 'You are so boring,'" McGonigle said. "I just know 100 percent she didn't run away."

Six weeks after Amber disappeared, McGonigle moved out, leaving behind her longtime boyfriend, Dave Cave, and their daughter, who is now 6 years old.

"I couldn't function in the house where Amber lived," she said, sitting on the floor of her new residence, a few blocks from the old place. "It was too much. I couldn't be a mom to my little one. She would say something and I would snap."

These days, McGonigle's youngest child is getting counseling and spending much more time with her mother. McGonigle said being with the little girl keeps her sane.

In the weeks before Amber vanished, there had been two attempts by gun-toting strangers to abduct girls in inland North County. (Police said they were unable to find links between those incidents and Amber's disappearance.) The attempts prompted McGonigle to talk with Amber twice about abduction. She warned her daughter to be more alert and told her to "run like hell" if someone came after her.

"She said, 'Mom, I won't forget,'" McGonigle recalled. She said Amber added: "'And I know you'd find me.'"

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_ab025bff-a153-5b3e-964e-8808b15a0735.html

 "'And I know you'd find me.'"



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Post by: Edward on February 13, 2010, 03:24:42 PM
I am here to try to help find missing people by doing research. I also at times do searches of areas that I and others have done research on when LE and SAR teams fail to search these areas.
That is my purpose for being involved with the Scared Monkeys Web Site.
I appreciate RED and Klassend for offering us a place to do this research and to post it for family members and Law Enforcement to have access to this research.

Thank ALL Monkey members for doing research on all missing person cases.

Amber Must be found.

ALL missing Americans must be found.

In His Service.
Edward


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Post by: MuffyBee on February 13, 2010, 04:38:20 PM
Thank you Edward.   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 13, 2010, 06:18:41 PM
I did go to the walk a thon this morning. I did not talk with anyone because I got there about an hour and a half into the event. I did see Amber's dad, he was running the track raising money for the continued search for Amber. He is a broken man, just my quick observation I could tell the only thing that man wants to hear is "we have found your daughter". I did not see Amber's mother, I'm guessing she was busy with the raffle and other stuff. It was a good turn out, but they really need more exposure to reach a larger scope of people. The town of Escondido residence can not fund the search for Amber alone.

I read the articles in the paper and I was very disappointed to hear that the police (with all their resources) does not know anything more than what the rest of us know. I just get the impression that they are going to sit on their hands till someone confesses.

I have two abandon sites that are in the 5 mile radius of the tower that I wish I could search. One is off 395 an old boarded up building about 500 feet from the road with plenty of vacant land around it. A big "No trespassing sign is posted". A few miles more up the road is an RV park where a sex offender lives or lived ( I did e-mail the RV park, but was told they don't give out that info).


The other location is off of Rincon Road. It was the future site of Hare Krishna's temple, but from the public notice sign next to it they lost the property on Feb 10th making it abandon. Another no trespassing sign. Also within the 5 mile radius of the cell tower.

I know the family is living with hope that Amber is alive and captive some where, but at this point hope has to be left in the hearts of the family.



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Post by: MuffyBee on February 13, 2010, 06:45:10 PM
Thanks for bringing back your impressions from the Walk A Thon ArmChairAnalysist.    I'm sorry to hear there doesn't seem to be much going on with the case from LE aspect right now.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Seeing Amber's dad running the track raising money to continue the search would be bitter sweet, imo.  As a loving, caring parent he's doing what he can to help find his daughter and at the same time it's sad to see victim's families having to fund raise to continue the search.  I wonder if the town/county/state/police dept. could apply for and qualify for federal or state monies, or something from some of the victims' crime organizations.  All of those resources are possibly getting tapped out with the way the economy is, though.   Another thought would be if the FFA could help.    I realize that might not be their mission, but that is a BIG and older organization.  Just thoughts and hoping Amber will be found soon.  Thanks again ArmChairAnalysist. 

And about that RV park where the sex offender lived or lived...You may not be able to get information the RV park, but there are other ways to get information about the whereabouts of a sex offender.  Here is a website :  http://www.sexoffender.com/state.html  You can go to the state of CA like I did and you will see:

California
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov
California maintains an online sex offender registry.
California provides information on sex offender registration requirements.  http://www.sexoffender.com/caso_laws.html  And this link is titled: "California Sex Offender Notification Megan's Law-Frequently Asked Questions" 

I hope the links are helpful. 





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Post by: Tracygirl on February 13, 2010, 09:23:05 PM
So feeling helpless and hundreds of miles away, I am on google maps, street view right now. I think they shot this when kids were getting out of school as some are walking away from the school, some are waiting for rides and two kids are I think getting into a car on the side of the street.
If that happends a lot, kids are being picked up and dropped off from the side of broadway it may not be that difficult to imagine Amber being taken and no one noticing. There also seems to be a few pick up spots, all are after the bus parking lot. I think this again would make it not seem as strange to have a car parked on the side of the road. Maybe someone did see something but they didn't realize what they were seeing. The answer is right there, within 200 yards.


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Post by: sebastian on February 13, 2010, 09:27:38 PM
I too was at the walk-a-thon today. The Master of Ceremonies was a local newscaster. He thought it would be a great idea if everyone would ask friends or relatives in other states to print some fliers and post some around their towns. It sure could not hurt. No only could it help find Amber, but it brings more awareness to missing people. One of my friends who came to walk at the vigil was unaware of how many missing people that there are in the United States. I think that a lot of people are unaware. I was unaware, before Amber went missing. I feel it is so vital to get the word out, so that we, as a country of caring people, will start paying attention to situations that "don't look right". I still feel in my heart that someone saw something the day that Amber went missing and perhaps don't even realize how important that it could be. As always, Amber's family members broke my heart. Moe was drenched in sweat doing lap after lap for his daughter. Carrie was running around doing 20 things at once. Amber's grandmother was talking with people and running the silent auction booth, encouraging people to bid for her Grandaughter. No family should have to go through this. EVER!


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Post by: sebastian on February 13, 2010, 09:29:49 PM
So feeling helpless and hundreds of miles away, I am on google maps, street view right now. I think they shot this when kids were getting out of school as some are walking away from the school, some are waiting for rides and two kids are I think getting into a car on the side of the street.
If that happends a lot, kids are being picked up and dropped off from the side of broadway it may not be that difficult to imagine Amber being taken and no one noticing. There also seems to be a few pick up spots, all are after the bus parking lot. I think this again would make it not seem as strange to have a car parked on the side of the road. Maybe someone did see something but they didn't realize what they were seeing. The answer is right there, within 200 yards.

Too weird Tracy! We were both writing at the same time about "someone had to have seen something"!


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Post by: sebastian on February 13, 2010, 09:32:58 PM
I did go to the walk a thon this morning. I did not talk with anyone because I got there about an hour and a half into the event. I did see Amber's dad, he was running the track raising money for the continued search for Amber. He is a broken man, just my quick observation I could tell the only thing that man wants to hear is "we have found your daughter". I did not see Amber's mother, I'm guessing she was busy with the raffle and other stuff. It was a good turn out, but they really need more exposure to reach a larger scope of people. The town of Escondido residence can not fund the search for Amber alone.

I read the articles in the paper and I was very disappointed to hear that the police (with all their resources) does not know anything more than what the rest of us know. I just get the impression that they are going to sit on their hands till someone confesses.

I have two abandon sites that are in the 5 mile radius of the tower that I wish I could search. One is off 395 an old boarded up building about 500 feet from the road with plenty of vacant land around it. A big "No trespassing sign is posted". A few miles more up the road is an RV park where a sex offender lives or lived ( I did e-mail the RV park, but was told they don't give out that info).


The other location is off of Rincon Road. It was the future site of Hare Krishna's temple, but from the public notice sign next to it they lost the property on Feb 10th making it abandon. Another no trespassing sign. Also within the 5 mile radius of the cell tower.

I know the family is living with hope that Amber is alive and captive some where, but at this point hope has to be left in the hearts of the family.


Can you give me the initials of the SO in the RV park that you are talking about? I think it may be the same one that I have felt hinky about for quite some time. It may also be the same one that someone told me that they went to his door and he supposedly no longer resides there. He is supposed to be registered and if he has moved, why has it not been updated? He is also a high risk SO.


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Post by: sebastian on February 13, 2010, 09:46:07 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_ab025bff-a153-5b3e-964e-8808b15a0735.html?mode=image This is the photo of Carrie that I love with her dog. She was training him to be a search and rescue dog. That cutie helps to comfort her when she is having a horrible day. Mark Klaas spoke at the walk-a-thon vigil today as well. He thinks that all children 10 and older should have a cell phone. That got huge cheers from the kids in the crowd. He went down a list of things to help keep kids safe. Bob Benton of the Escondido Police Department also spoke. Many of the speakers were in awe of the fact that after a year, the same caring crowd has shown up to help support Amber's family. That says a lot of about Amber's family in my opinion.


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Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 12:11:03 AM
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Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 12:16:36 AM
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Carrie McGonigle, mother of missing teen Amber Dubois, on the balcony of her Escondido home

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_ab025bff-a153-5b3e-964e-8808b15a0735.html?mode=image




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Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 12:56:03 AM
Thank you Edward! I don't know how to put photos on here.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 14, 2010, 12:59:02 AM
Sebastian

That SO's name is MERRIL OLIVER TRACY, LAST KNOWN ADDRESS IS 30012 OLD HWY 395#82, ESCONDIDO, CA 92026. He has a kidnapping conviction. I did send and email to the RV park but the manager sent me back an email stating that they do not give out that information. At the time I was too angry to send her back check your sex offender registry Be-ach.

I take my camera with me every where I go and have pictures of the boarded up building. I use to drive that route every Monday a few years back (had a client in Temecula) and that property always had police chasing off transients. It has just been the last year that they put up the boards and block of the entrance with a No Trespassing sign.

Question: do you have to put photo's on line (photo bucket or Flicker) before you can insert it into the body of your response?


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Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 01:10:08 AM
Right click on the image you want that is already posted some place online.. once you right click on it pick Properties.. Then highlight from the http ..all the way to the end of a JPG...NO MORE THEN THE JPG, Even if there is more.
copy and paste that in the middle of one of these .. (http://)


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Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 01:13:19 AM
A vague description of a boy, a blurry videotape, a brief cell phone signal and two people who said they saw Amber Dubois the morning she disappeared one year ago ---- that is all Escondido police have to solve one of the most mystifying cases in the city's history.

On the morning of Friday, Feb. 13, 2009, 14-year-old Amber ate a bowl of cereal, slipped on a hoodie and jeans, walked to school and was never seen again.

Nothing appeared out of the ordinary that drizzly winter morning.

Her mother, Carrie McGonigle, awakened her to say goodbye before going to work. They spoke about a lamb that Amber, a freshman at Escondido High School, was looking forward to buying that day and raising as part of the school's Future Farmers of America program.

"I went over and I gave her a kiss, and I said, 'I'll be home from work early. We'll go see a movie tonight,'" McGonigle said.

The case of the missing teen has garnered national media attention. Teams of searchers have fanned throughout the region, and police departments across the nation have been blanketed with fliers. Private investigators, FBI agents and lost-children advocacy groups have helped in the search.

Still, Amber seems to have vanished.

Detectives from the Escondido Police Department, the lead agency in the case, are baffled and frustrated, but they have not given up.

"This is still an open case," said Lt. Bob Benton. "The case will remain open as long as she is missing."

Disappeared

Each year, more than 500 people, most of them children, are reported missing in Escondido, police said. Most are found within days. In typical cases, there's an explanation. Most of them are children who leave home because of disagreements with their parents. Few are abducted, police said.

Amber's case doesn't fit neatly into any of those categories, police said.

"Amber has no history of running away before," said Detective Beverly Marquez, who has 15 years of experience working missing-person cases. "She's a pretty good kid, kind of a bookworm. She enjoys school, and there was nothing to show that she planned on running away."

Amber did not take any extra clothes. She did not take any extra money. She left nothing to suggest she was unhappy, police said.

There is no evidence she was taken by force, either, said Sgt. John Russo, who is in charge of the investigation.

"In 99 percent of the cases that we get, we have something that takes us down one of those paths," Russo said. "We have cell phone calls, we have letters, we have notes, we have something to say, 'Oh, yeah, she runs away once a week.' We have something that gives us a pattern. We don't have that here."

Bookish girl

Amber, who was crazy about wolves, had a peculiar walk, her mother said ---- a slow, bouncing stride that resembled her father's. Maurice "Mo" Dubois, an Orange County electrical engineer, and McGonigle separated when Amber was a baby.

McGonigle also has a 6-year-old, a daughter by Dave Cave, a former longtime boyfriend. Depending on her mood, Amber sometimes referred to him as her stepfather, Cave said. The couple and the two children lived in Cave's Escondido home on Fire Mountain Place, about a half mile from the high school.

Cave was the last family member to see Amber that morning. He gave her the $200 check she needed to buy the lamb. Amber was sitting in the living room of their two-story home, eating a bowl of cereal, as Cave walked out the door about 6 a.m. on his way to the gym, he said.

Amber's younger sister was with her grandmother, Sheila Welch, a Los Angeles-area lawyer.

After Cave left that morning, police know little about what happened to Amber. A couple of neighbors told police they spotted her on her way to school. A boy was seen walking next to her minutes before she went missing.

On Saturday, Feb. 14, 2009, Amber's cell phone was turned on briefly and then went silent, police said.

Since then, police said they have received more than 1,600 leads. They have interviewed about 600 people. The case has filled about a dozen 5-inch-thick binders.

But they still don't know what happened to Amber.

Videotape

The last time anyone saw Amber that Friday morning was about 7:09 a.m., police say.

She was walking south on North Broadway near Escondido High School's athletic field. Had she walked another 200 yards, past the school's football stadium, Amber may have come within view of a security camera mounted on top of the gym.

"Every morning, she meets her friends, believe it or not, right under the video camera," Benton said.

A neighbor who had dropped his son off at school said he noticed Amber walking on the sidewalk as he drove north on Broadway. Another neighbor who was heading south on the same road to drop off her son said she nearly stopped to give Amber a ride because it was drizzling that morning.

She told police she did not stop because she believed Amber was walking with a boy, Benton said. Both neighbors were seen on the school's security camera video dropping their kids off within minutes of each other, between 7:08 a.m. and 7:10 a.m.

The young man is described as tall and dark-skinned, about high school age. No one has come forward to identify him or even to verify he was walking with Amber and wasn't just someone walking past her.

Police said he may have been the last person to see her.

"To this day, we have yet to identify who this boy is," Benton said. "But we believe he holds the key to what happened to her."

Typical day

On any typical school day, North Broadway is a commuter's nightmare shortly before school starts at 7:30 a.m. Hundreds of vehicles crowd the four-lane road as parents drop off their children at the high school.

On Feb. 13, 2009, the road was even busier and harder to navigate, say school officials and police. More parents drove their kids to school because of the wet weather.

Construction trucks delivering material to the school also were lined up by the curb near the football stadium, forcing parents to drop off their students farther north on the road and closer to where Amber was last seen, Benton said.

"Based on the amount of traffic and the amount of people (in the area), her being kidnapped off the street is not likely," Benton said. "If there was a commotion, it would have been seen by somebody."

The following Tuesday, police set up a roadblock at the northern end of the school, where Amber was last seen, to question everyone traveling through the area. They asked whether anyone had seen anything. They also asked the parents who saw her last to look at yearbooks to see whether they could identify the boy.

Their efforts yielded nothing.

Unlike the police, family members don't believe the boy may be the key to unraveling the mystery of Amber's disappearance. They say the girl that people saw may not have been Amber at all, and the boy may simply have been someone walking by.

Amber, who was wearing black jeans and a black hoodie that day, was probably wearing her hood up because of the rain, making her difficult to recognize even for those who knew her, said Welch, her grandmother.

"When you're walking along Broadway and people are wearing hoodies, it's very difficult to spot someone," she said.

Dead ends

The next day, Amber's cell phone was turned on, police said. Someone attempted to check the phone's voice mail. The signal was picked up by a cell tower on Amber Lane in northern Escondido. The tower covers a five-mile radius, which means the phone could have been just about anywhere in Escondido.

Police issued an emergency alert phone call to homes in the area asking whether anyone had seen Amber, but again, they found nothing.

The investigation has produced countless dead ends, police said. Promising leads have withered under closer scrutiny.

Early in their investigation, police said they were looking for a red truck that was seen on the school's blurry security tape for a moment shortly before Amber's disappearance. Police sent the video to Department of Defense image laboratories for sophisticated analysis.

The truck was identified as an early 2000s model red Dodge Ram with aftermarket chrome rails and running boards.

Detectives later learned that the truck belonged to the parent of a student at the high school. They questioned the parent and determined the truck probably had nothing to do with the girl's disappearance.

Fruitless searches

In their investigation, Escondido police have worked with FBI agents and investigators with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They have contacted law enforcement in Canada (Amber has extended family in Montreal), Mexico and across the globe.

Amber's father, mother and her mother's longtime boyfriend all voluntarily took and passed polygraph tests shortly after the teen vanished, police said.

The case has been featured on several television shows, including "America's Most Wanted," "The Tyra Banks Show" and "The Steve Wilkos Show." Family members believe publicity may be the key to finding Amber.

Nationwide exposure has led to some interesting developments, police said. Several girls, including some runaways, have been found because of the publicity. One girl was found in Washington state and another in San Francisco, police said; both could have been Amber's twin sisters.

Since she disappeared, family members and the public have conducted numerous vigils and searches. The pain of losing a daughter and the frustration of fruitless searches has taken a toll on the family.

Maurice Dubois said he has been unable to return to work since his daughter went missing. McGonigle said every waking hour is consumed by her need to find Amber.

McGonigle moved out of the family home six weeks into the search, in part, she said, because reminders of what she had lost were all around. She now lives with a friend just a few blocks away.

"I couldn't function in the house where Amber lived," she said.

'Going through hell'

Amber's grandmother, a trial attorney, said she also has been unable to work.

"You vacillate between hope and despair," Welch said in a phone interview, her voice breaking as she spoke about a bracelet given to her by her daughter as a symbol of hope and faith. "I try to stay on that side (hope), but some days it's really hard."

A rift developed between Amber's mother and grandmother in September, but both McGonigle and Welch said they've moved past the split and are focused on finding Amber.

"I believe I raised three daughters that are individual thinkers," Welch said. "If they agreed with me 100 percent of the time, I would think I haven't been a good mother."

In her Escondido home one recent evening, McGonigle was folding T-shirts in preparation for a walkathon scheduled for Saturday to mark the one-year anniversary of Amber's disappearance.

Numerous pictures of her daughter hang in the hall. In the bedroom, a large calendar keeps track of Amber-related events she has scheduled.

Sitting in her living room earlier this month, McGonigle veered from nervous laughter to near tears. She said she had come to grips with the possibility that her daughter may be in a horrific situation, but she was not willing to concede that Amber may never come home.

"I know she is alive," she said.

"I mean, I don't know it for a fact, but everything in my heart tells me she is alive."



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 01:22:58 AM
Sebastian

That SO's name is MERRIL OLIVER TRACY, LAST KNOWN ADDRESS IS 30012 OLD HWY 395#82, ESCONDIDO, CA 92026. He has a kidnapping conviction. I did send and email to the RV park but the manager sent me back an email stating that they do not give out that information. At the time I was too angry to send her back check your sex offender registry Be-ach.

I take my camera with me every where I go and have pictures of the boarded up building. I use to drive that route every Monday a few years back (had a client in Temecula) and that property always had police chasing off transients. It has just been the last year that they put up the boards and block of the entrance with a No Trespassing sign.

Question: do you have to put photo's on line (photo bucket or Flicker) before you can insert it into the body of your response?

Bingo, that would be the one. I have heard some things and this is what I know. Someone went to his door (travel trailer) and a man answered. The man did not look like the SO. If it was the SO this person has cleaned himself up since his mug shot on the SO site. Anyways, this man said that he heard that he moved. This particular SO had a rough childhood. There were several siblings and they were all put up in foster homes and I believe they were all seperated quite young. One of the siblings was looking for him. I don't know if they found him or not. It makes me extremely angry that he is a high level offender and has re-located and his address has not been updated. Then again, it could have been him that answered the door, but from what I was told "highly doubtful". The other thing that bothers me is that the cellphone ping could have come from where he lives. I am sure that LE has checked him out (if they were able to find him). I just don't know.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 01:25:10 AM
Sebastian

That SO's name is MERRIL OLIVER TRACY, LAST KNOWN ADDRESS IS 30012 OLD HWY 395#82, ESCONDIDO, CA 92026. He has a kidnapping conviction. I did send and email to the RV park but the manager sent me back an email stating that they do not give out that information. At the time I was too angry to send her back check your sex offender registry Be-ach.

I take my camera with me every where I go and have pictures of the boarded up building. I use to drive that route every Monday a few years back (had a client in Temecula) and that property always had police chasing off transients. It has just been the last year that they put up the boards and block of the entrance with a No Trespassing sign.

Question: do you have to put photo's on line (photo bucket or Flicker) before you can insert it into the body of your response?

Can you give me directions to the area? Or a general idea. I grew up in Escondido and know the area pretty well.


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Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 01:35:38 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_0a08ffc4-6e85-57c0-9eec-8306cc97468c.html

This is another article about todays walk-a-thon. Can someone do their magic and post it. I am not good at this.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 01:49:32 AM
Sebastian,
Kids go missing while walking to and from school more then any other time of the day. I think it is because of the distraction of kids walking, cars coming and going, buses around. It is like a child can get lost in the chaos.
I also wonder if what could have happened was a car was parked parallele to Broadway, next to the baseball field and was watching for a girl to happen by just  at that right moment. I have to say I find it strange that they seemed to stay away from camera's, was that just lucky on their part or was it planned?
I still think that boy was a ploy to get Amber's guard down. He could have easily came up to her from that parking lot and said he was new and lost. Then as they pass the driveway a vehicle ( I imagine a van) pulls up, he pulls a weapon and tells her to get into the vehicle or someone simply pulls her in. It would take just a few seconds for that to happen, I think faster then Amber could respond.
If Amber was kidnapped off the street I think it is safe to say a car/van/truck was used..So which type of vehicle makes sense that a girl could be taken off the street and no one either sees it or notices? A car I think would be too small and people could easily see in a window. A truck/SUV could work but they are also a bit off the ground which may make it more difficult to pull someone in or push them in? A van with a sliding side door may work. A person could be on the inside of the van, open the door and pull while the boy pushes. It is large enough to conceal it from the street side and there are no windows. Unless I am forgetting a vehicle to me it makes the most sense to say a van could have be used.
I wish I had access to the intersection camera's or the camera's facing the street from school or businesses. What I would give right now to have more information. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 02:00:46 AM
Sebastian,
Kids go missing while walking to and from school more then any other time of the day. I think it is because of the distraction of kids walking, cars coming and going, buses around. It is like a child can get lost in the chaos.
I also wonder if what could have happened was a car was parked parallele to Broadway, next to the baseball field and was watching for a girl to happen by just  at that right moment. I have to say I find it strange that they seemed to stay away from camera's, was that just lucky on their part or was it planned?
I still think that boy was a ploy to get Amber's guard down. He could have easily came up to her from that parking lot and said he was new and lost. Then as they pass the driveway a vehicle ( I imagine a van) pulls up, he pulls a weapon and tells her to get into the vehicle or someone simply pulls her in. It would take just a few seconds for that to happen, I think faster then Amber could respond.
If Amber was kidnapped off the street I think it is safe to say a car/van/truck was used..So which type of vehicle makes sense that a girl could be taken off the street and no one either sees it or notices? A car I think would be too small and people could easily see in a window. A truck/SUV could work but they are also a bit off the ground which may make it more difficult to pull someone in or push them in? A van with a sliding side door may work. A person could be on the inside of the van, open the door and pull while the boy pushes. It is large enough to conceal it from the street side and there are no windows. Unless I am forgetting a vehicle to me it makes the most sense to say a van could have be used.
I wish I had access to the intersection camera's or the camera's facing the street from school or businesses. What I would give right now to have more information. 

Edit: fix quote.  MB

Carrie took me to the last place that Amber was spotted. There is nothing that could block the view and surely Amber would have put up a fight. If you follow Amber's walk on an online map from Dave's house to the school, I am more apt to think that the witnesses were mistaken and she was grabbed in front of the Christian school. There is another area that she could have been nabbed from as well. I would really appreciate it if you could trace that walk online and tell me what your thoughts are.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 02:00:48 AM
Detectives later learned that the truck belonged to the parent of a student at the high school. They questioned the parent and determined the truck probably had nothing to do with the girl's disappearance.

And determined the truck PROBABLY had nothing to do with the girls disappearance. Odd phrasing. That is different then saying the truck had nothing to do with it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 02:15:31 AM
Sebastian I have done that several times. I have gone on goggle street view and gone up paradise to Vista to broadway to the front of the school. I agree there are several places along her route that someone could have taken her. Did LE check the intersection camera to see if Amber crossed the street? The other school has camera's did she show up on them? What about the church, I bet they have camera's? It should be easy to determine if Amber made it to where the witnesses say they saw her.
If you take the Somer case for a moment she was a little girl walking in a huge crowd and vanished...it happens all of the time that people are taken with others around and no one sees anything. IF a van pulled up to Amber, someone opened a side door and if she was walking with that boy, she could have been grabbed so fast, faster then she could react. I think Edward said 3 seconds? but in that 3 seconds you have at least 2 seconds of WTF is going on, if there is a weapon such as a knife your dealing with fear, before she knows it she is in the van, the door slams shut and she is taken. If parents are dropping off their children in that spot, it would not seem strange to anyone to see a vehicle on the side of the road.  And if it is a vehicle with blackened out windows or a van, no one can see inside or the other side of the car. I really think it was either a truck or a van, something high enough that you cannot see the other side of it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 02:20:30 AM
Sebastian I have done that several times. I have gone on goggle street view and gone up paradise to Vista to broadway to the front of the school. I agree there are several places along her route that someone could have taken her. Did LE check the intersection camera to see if Amber crossed the street? The other school has camera's did she show up on them? What about the church, I bet they have camera's? It should be easy to determine if Amber made it to where the witnesses say they saw her.
If you take the Somer case for a moment she was a little girl walking in a huge crowd and vanished...it happens all of the time that people are taken with others around and no one sees anything. IF a van pulled up to Amber, someone opened a side door and if she was walking with that boy, she could have been grabbed so fast, faster then she could react. I think Edward said 3 seconds? but in that 3 seconds you have at least 2 seconds of WTF is going on, if there is a weapon such as a knife your dealing with fear, before she knows it she is in the van, the door slams shut and she is taken. If parents are dropping off their children in that spot, it would not seem strange to anyone to see a vehicle on the side of the road.  And if it is a vehicle with blackened out windows or a van, no one can see inside or the other side of the car. I really think it was either a truck or a van, something high enough that you cannot see the other side of it.

I really wish that along with photos (that do not seem to be updated) they would also tell you what a sex offender drives. The other thing? What was the sex offender caught doing? Was it a sex offense against the same sex, opposite sex? What was the situation? What was the exact age of the child that they offended? They give you so little that it makes it so hard to narrow the search down with the huge list of offenders!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 02:21:31 AM
I forgot that morning the article says there were constuction trucks parked, that could have helped to block the view from the front view.  the street is at an incline too, not level and there are bushes at the side of the street. Tell me, go on Google maps and tell me where exacly Amber was last seen by the last witness as she walked with the boy. I think it was after the lot driveway, right? But was it infront of the building, the telephone poll the bushes up ahead? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 02:22:34 AM
Detectives later learned that the truck belonged to the parent of a student at the high school. They questioned the parent and determined the truck probably had nothing to do with the girl's disappearance.

And determined the truck PROBABLY had nothing to do with the girls disappearance. Odd phrasing. That is different then saying the truck had nothing to do with it.

I agree with that. You would think it would be definately, not probably. That makes me wonder if they are still looking into this guy? Or it could have simply have been a misuse of wording.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 02:38:44 AM
I forgot that morning the article says there were constuction trucks parked, that could have helped to block the view from the front view.  the street is at an incline too, not level and there are bushes at the side of the street. Tell me, go on Google maps and tell me where exacly Amber was last seen by the last witness as she walked with the boy. I think it was after the lot driveway, right? But was it infront of the building, the telephone poll the bushes up ahead? 

I went to google maps and there is a school bus that blocks the view. If I am remembering correctly, it was after the driveways, right before the front of the school, and the only thing that would have been to Amber's right was a fence. The fence is the open type that you can see right through. The bushes were too low for anyone to really hide behind. Someone would have had to pull up to the curb and grap her really quick like you said. The witness thing bothers me somewhat. It was drizzling that day and more likely than not, Amber would have had her hood on. She was walking, wearing all black including possibly a hood over her hair. It could have been that the witnesses THOUGHT it was Amber. I also do not know when these witnesses were spoken to. Remember, in the beginning, LE thought she was a run away. Who knows, the witnesses may have came forward the next week. In that case, are they POSITIVE it was Friday and not Thursday? If the witnesses were used to seeing Amber walking to school every day, they certainly could have confused the days. The biggest puzzler for me is the cellphone ping the next day. Someone who knew what type of a phone that it was as they hit *82 or 3 to check messages. Having said this, some kids could have found the phone on the side of the road, but why would they be interested in checking messages? You would think that they would have wanted to make free phone calls or check any photos that she may have had on her phone. In that case, the ping would have lasted for more than a few seconds. I really think that the perp had her phone the next day. Which brings us back to Escondido and the North Broadway area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 02:51:11 AM
It is late and maybe this will not make a lot of sense, but here goes anyways. If you think about the cell phone ping, it does not make any sense to me that a stranger would give a hoot about Amber's messages on her voice mail. In my opinion the only thing that would make sense would be if it were Amber (which I cannot fathom) or someone that knew Amber or her family. Someone that knew Amber or her family would have a concern about her messages where as a stranger would not. The phone did not ping because they were trying to make a call, it pinged because someone was trying to check messages.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 02:59:40 AM
I think the witnesses would mentally bookmark seeing Amber that morning because most likey they heard of her going missing either that day or the next. Also and this was also said by Carrie that Amber had a certain walk that would stand out if someone knew her so that makes me think even if she had a hoodie on they would know how she was.
On Google maps from the driveway from the bus yard go south on Broadway count 3 telephone poles, I think this area would be a place a van could pull up and grab her. If she got past the bus shop (the beigish building) then no one from that area would see her. There would be nothing on her right but bushes and the field which is below the street level. I think the construction trucks were parked right after that so they would have blocked the view from the front. a windowless van would block the view from the left and if they waited until the coast was clear enough no one would be coming up Broadway, but even if a car did pass, it would not seem strange to have a vehicle parked there as that is a drop off/pick up spot it seems.
BTW, I know Carrie doesn't want to think the boy has anything to do with this and I think it is because she strongly doesn't want it assumed that Amber talked with boys and has just ran away, however, I have read cases that a ploy was used and I do think that is what could have happened. It just makes sense to me.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 03:09:17 AM
It is late and maybe this will not make a lot of sense, but here goes anyways. If you think about the cell phone ping, it does not make any sense to me that a stranger would give a hoot about Amber's messages on her voice mail. In my opinion the only thing that would make sense would be if it were Amber (which I cannot fathom) or someone that knew Amber or her family. Someone that knew Amber or her family would have a concern about her messages where as a stranger would not. The phone did not ping because they were trying to make a call, it pinged because someone was trying to check messages.

I don't know, the cell phone ping has me a bit confused. I have to be honest and say it never made much sense to me that the passwork was changed.
I have tried to run through the certain scenarios...Lets say I found a phone, not sure if I would check the v/m's, maybe I would if I was trying to figure out who's it was but I would think I would have it one for a little longer then a few minutes.
I thought well if I was a criminal and I kidnapped a person and their cell phone was ringing and ringing and voicemail after voicemail were being left, I may have checked to see who I needed to watch out for. IF this was a random kidnapping they would not have really known Amber, where she lived, who her family was. They may have checked the voicemail using the 111 and when that didn't worked didn't want to ping the phone any longer. I imagined them throwing the phone in water, is there a lake or something ilke that within 5 miles of that cell tower? Water would turn off the phone right away.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 03:10:18 AM
I think the witnesses would mentally bookmark seeing Amber that morning because most likey they heard of her going missing either that day or the next. Also and this was also said by Carrie that Amber had a certain walk that would stand out if someone knew her so that makes me think even if she had a hoodie on they would know how she was.
On Google maps from the driveway from the bus yard go south on Broadway count 3 telephone poles, I think this area would be a place a van could pull up and grab her. If she got past the bus shop (the beigish building) then no one from that area would see her. There would be nothing on her right but bushes and the field which is below the street level. I think the construction trucks were parked right after that so they would have blocked the view from the front. a windowless van would block the view from the left and if they waited until the coast was clear enough no one would be coming up Broadway, but even if a car did pass, it would not seem strange to have a vehicle parked there as that is a drop off/pick up spot it seems.
BTW, I know Carrie doesn't want to think the boy has anything to do with this and I think it is because she strongly doesn't want it assumed that Amber talked with boys and has just ran away, however, I have read cases that a ploy was used and I do think that is what could have happened. It just makes sense to me.

 
I wish I knew who the boy was. I think I read somewhere that the police gave the witnesses school yearbooks and they could not find the boy. I don't think it would be anyone that Amber had known prior because you would think that one of her friends would have known who he was or said something. Having said this, anything is possible. Maybe the kid, whoever he is, started walking and talking with Amber and she just thought it was an older student at school. I just don't know. I also wonder if it could have been the older brother of one of her friends, but I am sure that LE has checked into that as well.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 03:16:49 AM
It is late and maybe this will not make a lot of sense, but here goes anyways. If you think about the cell phone ping, it does not make any sense to me that a stranger would give a hoot about Amber's messages on her voice mail. In my opinion the only thing that would make sense would be if it were Amber (which I cannot fathom) or someone that knew Amber or her family. Someone that knew Amber or her family would have a concern about her messages where as a stranger would not. The phone did not ping because they were trying to make a call, it pinged because someone was trying to check messages.

I don't know, the cell phone ping has me a bit confused. I have to be honest and say it never made much sense to me that the passwork was changed.
I have tried to run through the certain scenarios...Lets say I found a phone, not sure if I would check the v/m's, maybe I would if I was trying to figure out who's it was but I would think I would have it one for a little longer then a few minutes.
I thought well if I was a criminal and I kidnapped a person and their cell phone was ringing and ringing and voicemail after voicemail were being left, I may have checked to see who I needed to watch out for. IF this was a random kidnapping they would not have really known Amber, where she lived, who her family was. They may have checked the voicemail using the 111 and when that didn't worked didn't want to ping the phone any longer. I imagined them throwing the phone in water, is there a lake or something ilke that within 5 miles of that cell tower? Water would turn off the phone right away.

I hate that the cell phone ping is within a 5 mile radius! There are several lakes. I just cannot wrap my head around a stranger caring who was calling or what the messages were about. Unless there is more to that cellphone ping that I do not know about, it leads me to believe it was not a complete stranger. Who else would care what friends or family were calling or leaving messages on that phone unless they were someone that knew Amber or her family? Again, it is late and my overactive imagination may be getting the best of me. Goodnight Tracygirl! I will see you here again soon!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 03:22:49 AM
Surely LE thought about if the boy was new to the school then he would not have been in the previous year's Year Book. Seems though that if he was walking that day, in the rain then he was walking every other day. I think it sounds more logical to say he didn't go to that school then he did. As you said, it would have been figured out by now.

Does the witness that said Amber was with a boy, does she have any motive to say Amber was with a boy? Is she a nice supportive person to Amber. I read a comment once by a poster on a newspaper site saying something about her. I think the poster was asking her to tell why she didn't drive Amber to school anymore. That has always made me wonder if she had some type of motive.

So Amber has a friend with an older brother who fits this boy? Does he go to that school? did he say he was around that morning and recalls seeing Amber?

I have to go to sleep, I am so tired. I will check for answers tomorrow. Prayers to everyone tonight.


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 03:27:19 AM
lol we are doing it again, thinking the same thing. Goodnight Sebastian.

BTW, remember who ever took her is a criminal and not in his or her right mind. Imagine what a person like that would do, not what you would do (unless you too are crazy, lol just kidding)

What seems unlikely to us may be a normal reaction to them.

Goodnight!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 01:19:45 PM
Detectives later learned that the truck belonged to the parent of a student at the high school. They questioned the parent and determined the truck probably had nothing to do with the girl's disappearance.

And determined the truck PROBABLY had nothing to do with the girls disappearance. Odd phrasing. That is different then saying the truck had nothing to do with it.

What I had learned on this is different from what I first understood.
This parent had a kid who was cutting school and this father was out to catch the kid..
That is the reason for the odd behavior in the vehicle. In other words, this is why he moves various positions in the bus area parking lot.
Does Amber know his Cutting Kid ? Is that the boy she is seen walking with ?
Apparently this was all verified by LE.


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
Thank you Edward for sharing that information. I suppose the dad could have been hiding to catch his son? Sounds sort of a strange thing to do though.

Can someone that knows, can you please tell us if the camera's at both schools, the church and at the intersections were checked? Was amber seen on any of the camera's anywhere?


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 14, 2010, 02:43:04 PM
There are no street camera's on Broadway by the the school. The camera that is located on Vista and Broadway is one of the old ones that was shut off a long time ago, because they issued false traffic violations. If there are camera's at the church school I'm guessing they would be directed toward the parking lot and not the street. That parking lot is to the side and behind the church school.

I wonder how extensively the LE investigated the Construction Trucks parked along the street delivering material. Could the boy have worked for the Construction Co.? Who are the employees that were at the site? Are they all still working for the Construction Co.? Any of them Sex Offenders? Did THEY see any thing? Did THEY have to navigate around a vehicle that was parked, but was not one of theirs?

The perp had a window of time between 7:09 and 7:15 before the traffic became heavy for dropping off kids at school.

Did LE interview all children that walked the same route that show up on the surveillance tape after 7:09? Did they see anything, pick up any dropped valentine packages? Did a van have on very loud music?

Parking is allowed along that street, so the perp could have been parked there for a time without being noticed. I too would go back to the white van theory. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 14, 2010, 02:54:56 PM
Sebastian

If you take Center City Rd north out of Escondido, do not get on the freeway. The road changes into Champagne. Follow that road I think just past the intersection of  Hidden Meadows Road on the right side of the road is a boarded up building about 200 feet from the road. I know vehicles have been there because they have left  deep impression in the dirt (mud). It's an Ideal place to commit a crime.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 14, 2010, 04:56:42 PM
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/17194641@N06/4356842953/)

If this worked, this is the picture of the abandon building off hwy 395


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 14, 2010, 05:15:53 PM
i wonder if they have the list of kids who didn't go to school that day, maybe those kids who were absent, or "cut school" saw something? or were involved..maybe a student hit her by accident with their car and they covered it up..this is the last thing that could have happened to Amber but teenagers are not very good drivers... if that is the case, there would have been some piece of Amber at least her hair on the ground... but it was raining... just speculating once again...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 05:49:37 PM
It should end in a     .jpg


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 14, 2010, 05:49:44 PM
Sebastian

I tryed again with the RV park and just received back an e-mail from the Manager. She did say that The SO is no longer living in the park. She and the SO had been questioned by the police. She said she never saw any children with the SO just his wife.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 14, 2010, 05:54:04 PM
(http://4356842953_e04d5d800f_m.jpg)

One last try this is the abandon house off 395



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 05:56:40 PM
Very good info..

I do not think the SO was going to bring Amber Home to his wife..

IF He is involved his travel routes on the day in question could help prove him IN or Out of the investigation.
Cell phone records on his part and work attendance if he started at 6 or 10 or not at all.
Witness to his vehicle on that day..
Things like that.
S.O. would not be somebody that I would trust the opinion of. Questioning him means nothing really.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 06:06:39 PM
The first time you had

http://www.flickr.com/photos/17194641@N06/4356842953/

The second time you have

just numbers and a m.jpg


It should start off with the www.flickr.com and end with a .jpg  and you should highlight all of that and paste it in between the image markers
It looks like this (http://www.flickr.com/0000000.jpg)

Most photos on the internet can be placed in the forum if it ends in a .jpg or .gif
right clicked on photo and then pick properties and then highlight the image address as suggested and place it between the image marker
(http://)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 14, 2010, 06:10:17 PM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4356842953_e04d5d800f.jpg)

Sorry I can not edit scared monkeys forum..

Let me just grab your image .. and what I highlighted and copied was this after right clicking you photo..

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4356842953_e04d5d800f.jpg


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 08:56:13 PM
Sebastian

If you take Center City Rd north out of Escondido, do not get on the freeway. The road changes into Champagne. Follow that road I think just past the intersection of  Hidden Meadows Road on the right side of the road is a boarded up building about 200 feet from the road. I know vehicles have been there because they have left  deep impression in the dirt (mud). It's an Ideal place to commit a crime.

I don't recall seeing this place. I have friends who live in Hidden Meadows but probably don't go far enough to have seen it. Great find! I hope you are not planning on going in and checking it out. There could be drugged out squatters. I will tell Carrie to ask her contact at LE if they have checked it out.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 14, 2010, 08:58:49 PM
Sebastian

I tryed again with the RV park and just received back an e-mail from the Manager. She did say that The SO is no longer living in the park. She and the SO had been questioned by the police. She said she never saw any children with the SO just his wife.

I cannot believe that you got the manager to respond to you. Perhaps you should be doing detective work! This bothers me even more now. Why has his address not been changed and updated? How often do they update these guys? I would not put an ounce of trust in his wife. If she married a known SO who knows what else she is capable of. I wonder how soon he moved after being questioned by LE? I wonder if LE knows he moved? I wonder why he felt the need to move? Too many MORE questions!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 14, 2010, 11:50:19 PM
Thank you for the information on the camera's. I wish we can find out forsure about the church and the other school camera's. They don't always just point to a parking lot. Schools sometimes hit the sidewalk...Never know. 

The perp had a window of time between 7:09 and 7:15 before the traffic became heavy for dropping off kids at school.

This sentance makes it clear to me this may not have been just a random act by the kidnapper...He must have planned this. Another thing? The placement of where Amber vanished..it was clearly out of view of camera's, it was a drop off/pick up area and it was pretty isolated from view. Then it being a rainy morning would make the traffic higher for that day making it less likely that a vehical pulling up would be noticed. Amber walked everyday to school and according to Carrie she walked the same path everyday. Seems that if they targeted Amber directly they would have picked a different area...I think the victim is random but the act was planned. If that is true then the person must live in that area and had been around prior to 2/13/09. Maybe he lives close enough to watch or he worked in that area or he could have just been casing it out for some time.
BTW I cannot believe I see on Google maps girls walking alone. What is it going to take before kids don't walk to and from school alone? I can understand if a child has not been kidnapped in an area, then it is ignorace, but Amber went missing walking that same path!



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 15, 2010, 12:42:49 AM
Thank you for the information on the camera's. I wish we can find out forsure about the church and the other school camera's. They don't always just point to a parking lot. Schools sometimes hit the sidewalk...Never know. 

The perp had a window of time between 7:09 and 7:15 before the traffic became heavy for dropping off kids at school.

This sentance makes it clear to me this may not have been just a random act by the kidnapper...He must have planned this. Another thing? The placement of where Amber vanished..it was clearly out of view of camera's, it was a drop off/pick up area and it was pretty isolated from view. Then it being a rainy morning would make the traffic higher for that day making it less likely that a vehical pulling up would be noticed. Amber walked everyday to school and according to Carrie she walked the same path everyday. Seems that if they targeted Amber directly they would have picked a different area...I think the victim is random but the act was planned. If that is true then the person must live in that area and had been around prior to 2/13/09. Maybe he lives close enough to watch or he worked in that area or he could have just been casing it out for some time.
BTW I cannot believe I see on Google maps girls walking alone. What is it going to take before kids don't walk to and from school alone? I can understand if a child has not been kidnapped in an area, then it is ignorace, but Amber went missing walking that same path!


I agree with what you are saying. The cellphone being turned on the next day still makes me believe that it was the perp and they were still in the area. I go crazy when I pick up my daughter from school and see girls walking alone. I am able to take my daughter to and from school. The sad thing is that many kids do not want to take the bus because there are fights and bullying on the buses. I do not live in Escondido but have friends that do. At one time the city of Escondido was charging kids to take the bus. I do not know if this is still the case. Most of the kids who take the bus in our area are minorities and those that are not minorities can be given a hard time. I know this from friends whose kids tried taking the bus. I am sure that there are bullies that are not minorities as well. It is a bad situation. I wish that parents would at least make arrangements so that their kids do not walk alone. I really think that Amber was targeted. It is just a gut feeling.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on February 15, 2010, 09:00:07 AM
Hope for Amber Never Sleeps

By Jacques Spitzer
NBCSanDiego.com
updated 6:18 p.m. PT, Sun., Feb. 14, 2010

Hundreds of people turned out for a walk-a-thon Saturday morning at Escondido High School to support missing teenager Amber Dubois and her family.

"We're going to find her,” Amber's mother Carrie McGonigle said. “The fact that we haven't found her is a good sign, because to me she's not dead."

Saturday marked anniversary of the 14-year-old girl’s disappearance. The four-hour event included a promenade around the campus track by sponsored walkers, a raffle and a silent auction. All money raised will go to the Amber Dubois search fund. Her father, Maurice Dubois, said the turnout would mean a lot to Amber.

“She'd be shocked. She'd be really shocked at how many people showed up, very thankful though."

Amber’s anguished parents are desperate after twelve tireless months and still no sign of her. The Escondido High School student was last seen February 13th walking to school. Her parents hope the walk-a-thon will raise awareness.

"We'll never lose hope, Dubois said. “Hope never sleeps.”



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Post by: Shell on February 15, 2010, 09:02:49 AM
Amber’s Family Shocked at Outpouring of Support

By Britt Peterson
NBCSanDiego.com
updated 6:18 p.m. PT, Sun., Feb. 14, 2010

Saturday marked the anniversary of 14-year-old Amber Dubois’ disappearance. The Escondido High School student was last seen February 13th, 2009 walking to school.

To show their support, about 200 local community members showed up for a walk-a-thon at Escondido High School in her memory. Among the walkers were family, friends, and even strangers who said they have followed the coverage of Amber’s disappearance.

The four-hour event raised just shy of $18,000 through donations, raffle tickets and a silent auction.

“I had no expectation that people would be this marvelously generous to our Amber,” Amber’s grandmother Sheila Welch said.

All of the money raised will go to the Amber Dubois search fund.

At the end of the walk-a-thon, the crowd heard from Mark Klaas, whose daughter Polly Klaas, 12, was abducted at knife point by a stranger during a slumber party in her Petaluma home in October 1999. Polly’s body was found two months later and her killer was sent to California’s death row, reported the paper.

“Amber really has become the community’s child,” Klaas said. “We all have an investment now.”



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on February 15, 2010, 09:06:37 AM
Links to the previously posted articles

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35396516/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35382454/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/

I hope the link works. The photograph was the same for both articles.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on February 15, 2010, 09:50:34 AM

I am reposting this. It says it all as to why my gut and intellect tells me Amber did not leave of her own free will. I was watching a movie the other night and there was a young lamb being held and cuddled by a young lady. It made me think of how excited Amber must have been to be headed to school with the check to buy that lamb. How excited she must have been to exchange Valentines with her special friends. How much she must have been looking forward to a trip to Yellowstone. -Shell

I am Amber's maternal Grandmom.  Carrie and her sisters and I, work every single day and night to find Amber. On Wednesday, it will be three horrific months since she was taken from us.  Yet, no Amber Alert has issued because no one saw where or when she was taken.  Two parents driving by the school, on a street with construction vehicles, on a rainy day said they saw Amber walking to school.  Amber sent a text message to me before she left for school.  But, in fact, no one really knows when or where, between the house and the school, she was taken. The report that she called another student on her way to school is incorrect.  Amber's phone is on my phone system and no such call was made.

During the five days before she was taken, Amber and I exchanged over 70 text messages.  She was happy.  She left for school that day, as reported, with gifts for girlfriends and a check to pay for a lamb.  She took her Ipod and her phone, but did not take the cords...because she knew she would be home before they needed recharging. 

As she does each year, Amber spent Christmas holiday with me and her cousins.  It rained very hard and all 5 of us slopped through the mud at the stable to give Christmas carrots to the horses, Rojo and Sally.  Amber did not get to ride because of the weather and was looking forward to coming to my house to do so in February.  We had plans in June to go to Yellowstone to see the wolves, having followed the restoration  progress for several years. 

The Yellowstone newsletter arrived yesterday.  It uses the description by Aldo Leopold to describe the music of the wolf as an "outburst of wild defiant sorrow."  I know that feeling now. You try to maintain, and, then you are hit with an uncontrollable  sorrow that is almost more than one can survive.

We know that Amber was taken by force.  If someone walked next to her with a gun or a knife, she would have gone with them quietly in the hope of a later escape.  She is an intelligent girl.  She knows basic self defense, but she is not athletic and trying to run away would have been a futile act.  She may have been threatened...make a scene and I will see that your little sister is killed, or, I have a gun and if you don't come quietly, I will start shooting at all these students and you will be the cause of their death.   Criminals know how to frighten.

The police take the position that people would have seen Amber if she was forced into a car or van.  It takes 17 seconds.  She would have gone quietly under a death threat, particularly, if the person threatened to start shooting everyone around her---she knew about school shootings, as we all do, sadly.

The Escondido Police Department retains the lead in the investigation.  This is the most complex case they have ever had and they do NOT have the manpower, the experience or the modern equipment needed. They are trying, for the most part, but it is like trying to build a house with just an old fashion nail and hammer. To do the job, you need manpower, experience and the right tools.  And, while we watch TV and see great things done by the FBI, beyond initial interviews of family members, I personally know of nothing more that the FBI has been willing to do to find Amber.  The FBI has NOT EVEN put, at this writing, Amber's photo and ID on their "Kidnapping and Missing Persons Investigations" website.

Unlike the police who admit to no experience, the FBI claims they have "agents with in-depth experience and a proven track record in crimes against children investigations, especially where a child has been abducted by someone other than family member." [www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm] The police have now agreed to regularly meet with the family, the FBI does not participate or interface with the family at all. 

I have seen negative comments relating to why Amber gets media coverage.  It is because we work at it day and night.  Some nights, I am working on the computer asking for help until 3 a.m.  The volunteer groups that have helped us thus far have done so because of e-mails, and calls to them.  We have been blessed by others sending messages to our website offering specialized help.  None of this happens by magic. Maurice, Amber's Dad, takes the lead at the Search Center activity and with the press.  My daughters set up the website and manage it. We respond to the emails and send "tips" to the police when received. More importantly, we do the research relating getting help and to scientific advances...most of which neither the police nor the FBI have or know about. And, it takes hours every day.

Amber's Mom, Carrie, in addition to searching night and day for Amber, has started formal training for Search and Rescue (SAR) with a fast growing puppy. She is determined to be able to help others when they lose a child by responding with her soon to be well trained dog.  Carrie was inspired by the volunteers, particularly those from KlaasKids,  who were the first responders to our pleas for help.  We needed to get immediate help with trained dogs, but were told by the police that "it takes time" to get the dogs, when, in truth, time was something no one has when their child is missing. Carrie wants to be there when the next child goes missing. 

You are likely aware of spy satellite surveillance.  NASA will take requests for help for missing children but only from police agencies.  It took weeks to get EPD to actually contact NASA even though I provided the information and an example of the evidence NASA had provided in other missing children cases.  Ultimately, NASA had nothing which would help us. Satellites are sun-synchronous for images so they are taken at local time around 10:30 a.m., too late for us.

Subsequently, we have been working for the past weeks on what we call  "Eye on Amber" and I would like to ask for your help with this. We have contacted all the commercial (vs spy) companies we can find to ask if they had any aerial cameras operating in the Escondido area on February 13, 2009. It is like the needle in the haystack--the chances of finding someone in the air doing photography at between 7:00 a.m. -7:30 a.m. But, we must keep trying.

We have an expert on forensic aerial photography (forensic aerial photogrammertry and forensic aerial photointerpretation) available to analyze any photos we can locate to determine what ACTUALLY happened to Amber. 

Also, if you are a student, the parent of a student, a teacher, or anyone who worked at EHS and used a phone camera or camera ANYWHERE on the campus before school started on Feb. 13, 2009, please send us the photos.

If you can help us, or, if you know of anyone who can, please contact our website www. BringAmberHome.com .

Second request.  This is so hard to say.  If you see any place within a 20 mile radius of the Escondido High School where the earth has been dislodged, or changed by digging, please take a photo of the area and send that information with the location to us.
We are also asking for current aerial photographs for analysis as well. Previous drone photographs were undistinguished.

Though we do not want to consider the possibility that Amber may no longer be alive, we must force ourselves to do so even as we continue our search.  If she is dead,  the family needs to know and to provide a proper burial for her.  If you see something suspicious, please let us know.   

The rewards for information are fully funded and in the bank. Reward information can be obtained by calling 1-562 360-5162.  This is a new number and is posted on the web site as well.  If Amber is dead, there is a reward of $10,000.00 for the location of her burial. This has not been publicized before.  Please get this information out there for us. 

Thank you for caring about Amber and for your prayers.

Grandmom


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 15, 2010, 01:11:24 PM
Thank you for the information on the camera's. I wish we can find out forsure about the church and the other school camera's. They don't always just point to a parking lot. Schools sometimes hit the sidewalk...Never know. 

The perp had a window of time between 7:09 and 7:15 before the traffic became heavy for dropping off kids at school.

This sentence makes it clear to me this may not have been just a random act by the kidnapper...He must have planned this. Another thing? The placement of where Amber vanished..it was clearly out of view of camera's, it was a drop off/pick up area and it was pretty isolated from view. Then it being a rainy morning would make the traffic higher for that day making it less likely that a vehicle pulling up would be noticed. Amber walked everyday to school and according to Carrie she walked the same path everyday. Seems that if they targeted Amber directly they would have picked a different area...I think the victim is random but the act was planned. If that is true then the person must live in that area and had been around prior to 2/13/09. Maybe he lives close enough to watch or he worked in that area or he could have just been casing it out for some time.
BTW I cannot believe I see on Goggle maps girls walking alone. What is it going to take before kids don't walk to and from school alone? I can understand if a child has not been kidnapped in an area, then it is ignorance, but Amber went missing walking that same path!


I agree with what you are saying. The cellphone being turned on the next day still makes me believe that it was the perp and they were still in the area. I go crazy when I pick up my daughter from school and see girls walking alone. I am able to take my daughter to and from school. The sad thing is that many kids do not want to take the bus because there are fights and bullying on the buses. I do not live in Escondido but have friends that do. At one time the city of Escondido was charging kids to take the bus. I do not know if this is still the case. Most of the kids who take the bus in our area are minorities and those that are not minorities can be given a hard time. I know this from friends whose kids tried taking the bus. I am sure that there are bullies that are not minorities as well. It is a bad situation. I wish that parents would at least make arrangements so that their kids do not walk alone. I really think that Amber was targeted. It is just a gut feeling.
Given the fact that Amber left earlier then normal that morning because she had to drop off the check, I am not sure if they targeted her exactly or if it was a matter of wrong place at the wrong time. I don't believe this was a random crime (meaning a person all of a sudden decided that morning to kidnap a girl) I think it was planned out to the point of the exact place, day (it was a Friday, no school the next day), etc....I would also think it would be a vehicle that students who walked that route everyday would have seen a few times?  I bet some of the students or drivers have seen the vehicle before but do not realize they did. They may still see it.
One thing I have thought about, not sure if it makes sense or not, there are other girls that walk alone as Amber did. Do any of them resemble Amber in appearance. It has been said over and over again, Amber most likely had her hood up, could this have been a mistaken identity? Could another girl have been the target? this would be important in the case the other girl had something in her past or her family that may lead to something?

Shell thank you for posting the articles. Amber's Grandmother has a way of communicating that puts this case into perspective.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 15, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
Links to the previously posted articles

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35396516/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35382454/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/

I hope the link works. The photograph was the same for both articles.

The family was shocked by the turnout to support Amber  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/393*298/amberIMG010161.jpg)

Thank you Shell


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 15, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
Going back through old abduction reports, I came across this guy. He fits the MO -- Early morning -- White male (most sexual assults stay in there own race) -- age 40 to 50.

http://**/crimeandcourts/ci_11955753

I did a map quest of Amber Lane this morning and did a drive by this afternoon. This again is a high end neighborhood. There are dirt roads, but they are all blocked by gates. I did try the other end of the dirt road off Center City (on the right side of the map is Nutmeg on the right is the street I took) This dirt road was also blocked with a gate. Homes in this area are more high end, larger and spread apart. Each lot must be more than an acre. Since the phone signal came from this area the perp could easly have tossed Ambers phone towards the trees on Center city parkway just before the entrance to Interstate 15 heading towards Riverside.

I also think unless the perp was in a van, he would have had to have had to find shelter for his sexual assualt. It was raining outside and cold a truck or a car would not have been enough shelter. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 15, 2010, 05:32:59 PM
Thank you ArmchairAnalysist. I really think the perp is from that area or lives close enough to travel to that high school often. To me there just seems to be a plan that was set in motion. If you believe the boy walking with Amber was a ploy, it being a rainy day which means more traffic, the placement of what seems to be the area she disappeared well hidden but also in plain sight, the day of the week, friday no school the next day.

Another thing which concerns me and I hope they checked this out. The contractors who won the job for the construction job at the school site, their employees are check out by schools but they also use sub contractors that are not always checked out by the districts. A SO could easily work at a school as a sub contractor and no one would be the wiser. This person would have access to everything they would need to plan this. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 15, 2010, 08:08:39 PM
ArmChairAnalysist 
 

We have recorded and discussed the Redondo beach incidents before..
One kidnap and murder and disposal of body near San Bernadino of Cori Desmond.. Her accused murderer TONY LOPEZ PEREZ dumped her body in the hills behind San Bernadino on running springs road. He says he just killed her and supposedly there was no sexual attack.
I doubt it. He lived only 2 blocks from where Cori was abducted..

http://**/ci_14402447?source=rss_viewed

 
The other was the attempted kidnap.. involving 2 males and a white van..
 We have the sketches of the perp in the attempted kidnap involving the white van and a possible connection of the perps to the little boy kidnapped in san bernadino later on as the sketches and the fbi photos of the perps seem to match up..

What we DO NOT have is this attempted kidnap by a white 50 year old white fellow with ruddy brown hair of a completely different girl.. she reports this some time later..

All of them in the area of Redondo beach.

Thank you ArmChairanalysist for that post.. He is a new possible perp.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 16, 2010, 04:50:10 PM
A friend just sent me this. www.Vpike.com. It gives you a great view of any home. 360 degrees!


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 16, 2010, 06:36:19 PM
A friend just sent me this. www.Vpike.com. It gives you a great view of any home. 360 degrees!

Thanks! Do you mean that you can go around a house? If so, how you do you do that?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 16, 2010, 10:46:39 PM
It's possible the perp works in the neighborhood and has been in many of their homes. He is possibly a carpet cleaner, Kitchen or bath remodel, tile layer or hardwood floor installer.  If he is a carpet cleaner it's very possible he did have access to an empty house that was about to be up for sale or up for rent. This would give him a location to commit his crime. It would also explain the early morning abduction.


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 12:26:27 AM
Thats a good thought about a person that is in the household industry. We are both thinking sort of the same thing. Today I was wondering if the perp could either be unemployed, work the afternoon or night shift or is self employed. Does he have access to homes, such a meter reader or a cable or internet installer.
Other thoughts....How many high schools are there in Escondido? I think there is at least another one just south of Escondido high...So why not that one? Does he live or work close by to this high school? Maybe he is close to the other high school and didn't want to be recognised? Is that too "criminal minds"? Are there any businesses that are open 24 hours around this high school?  Maybe he just got off of work? I think the morning time is interesting but it also may be because he would have more time considering schools do not call right away when a child doesn't show up. If a child is walking and not getting a ride during a rainy day I suppose you can assume that child's parent may work? This would as well delay anyone realizing a child has gone missing.  I keep saying it but so many details about this case really does point to this not being a random, driving down the street and just happen to kidnap someone. This was thought out and planned in my opinion.
So Edward or those with much more experience then I have, what do you think of what has been discussed so far by myself and other fellow monkeys as to this profile? Do you have any opinion on what type of job he may have, hours he may or may not work? What do you feel about the van theory? Do you see this as a crime that was well thought out right down to the time of day, the weather, the location? And more importantly, where does this leave us? My hope is to give some kind of angle for the family to persue.   
 


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Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 03:00:41 AM
I cannot remember if Carrie told me of if I read it somewhere. I am pretty sure that it was the Christian school that held either AA or NA meetings in the early mornings. That would mean a person who regularly attended could have seen Amber walking on a regular basis. Also, I know that one of the SO's in Escondido has an in home computer business that he owns and there is another SO in Escondido who is a tatoo artist. I believe that they are both self-employed. One lives within a mile and the other within about 5 miles. I really hope that LE checked out those that attended those early morning meetings. Sometimes (OBVIOUSLY NOT ALWAYS) SO's have other addictions as well, especially alcohol. I wonder if any of those that attended quit attending those meetings after Amber disappeared. It would be easy enough for LE to check out!


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Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 03:24:54 AM
http://www.google.com/maps?q=1800+n+broadway+escondido+CA+92026+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title

This is the location where they have AA meetings every morning at 7am! If someone can put this map on in full, I would really appreciate it. I do not know how. The more I think about it, the more I cannot help but wonder if someone at one of those meetings saw Amber. Maybe this someone was forced to go to AA by the courts? Maybe they were sitting in their car thinking about going into the meeting when Amber walked by? Maybe they had seen Amber more than once on her same route? Again, I am not implying that all alcoholics and drug addicts are also sex offenders. However, statistics show that many SO's have other addictions, particularly alcohol. This meeting at 7:00 am on Ambers route is an AA meeting. Coincidence?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 03:27:21 AM
It would be really interesting to know if any of the Escondido SO's attend those meetings! Even if only once!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 03:30:24 AM
Going back to Merril Oliver Tracy, the MISSING high risk SO, if you look at his photo his eyes are red and blood shot. Alcohol? This meeting would probably be the closest to his last known address. Perhaps his wife insisted that he attend? The courts? The cellphone ping the next day would fit his location as well. Where is he?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 03:41:19 AM
http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2009/01/state-releases-convicted-sex-offenders.html

Ok, so this guys name is Jeremy Merrill Tracy. He is a sex offender in Iowa. According to this website he was in prison for a sex offense and set to be released the end of January 2009. I wonder if he is a relative of Merrill Oliver Tracy? Did he get out of prison and go to Escondido to stay with the other SO Merrill Oliver Tracy? Could the both of them have taken Amber? Probably a stretch, but I am going to keep digging!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 17, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
It's possible the perp works in the neighborhood and has been in many of their homes. He is possibly a carpet cleaner, Kitchen or bath remodel, tile layer or hardwood floor installer.  If he is a carpet cleaner it's very possible he did have access to an empty house that was about to be up for sale or up for rent. This would give him a location to commit his crime. It would also explain the early morning abduction.

Excellent ideas..

Carpet cleaning companies have vans.. possible 2 men too.
they also have preplanned work and companies around town would have known where there guys were had these questioners been researched and investiagted by LE sooner then now..
The empty house like one you just mentioned or even the boarded up one you posted a picture of.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 17, 2010, 12:27:22 PM
Here is an interesting read about behaviour of serial rapist

http://www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0126.htm

I also think at this point we should be looking into the behaviour of a serial Killer. From what I have read serial rapist do not graduate into serial killers.

Both would still be following the case in the news.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 17, 2010, 12:45:43 PM
Yes, I agree with patterns of behavior.

Serial is rare..
But a pattern of kidnap or violence or disregard for others such as females is common.
The hispanic patterns of behavior in arrests for such crimes in this area is high. Most of those Hispanic happen to be of Mexican nationality or further south or our borders.
Also gang members can attack.
Girl gang members are very violent towards other girls.

So it is not always a registered S.O. ...So many of these type criminals can show a pattern of behavior and never be a registered S.O.
 Grabbing her at early A.M. means something for sure. It is almost like he drove up next to her and pointed a weapon and she just got into the car and they drove up vista away from the school.

Anyways that is just my thought and ALL of you are doing some excellent brainstorming. I am just reading and taking notes..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 01:04:34 PM
Well if I was living around that area I would be hanging out at the AA and NA meetings. I would also talk with the leaders of the group meetings and ask if they recall anyone arriving late consistantly around the time Amber went missing and if anyone in particular spoke about her missing or the case in general. I would also ask if there were any memebers that stopped attending after 2/13/09. Not sure if they could give out names, but LE could get them.

Very interesting read regarding the serial rapist.

I find it interesting the "con" apporach was used and Amber was seen walking with what people believed to be a student from the high school. Was this a con? It has been discussed prior so maybe we were on to something.

Snipped from the article...

http://www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0126.htm
The research concerning serial rapists' behavior during
 and following the commission of the crimes has determined that:       

    *  The majority of the rapes were premeditated             

     *  The ``con'' approach was used most often in initiating
   contact with the victim                                           

     *  A threatening presence and verbal threats were used to
   maintain control over the victim                                 

     *  Minimal or no force was used in the majority of instances   

     *  The victims physically, passively or verbally resisted the
   rapists in slightly over 50% of the offenses                     

     *  The most common offender reaction to resistance was to
   verbally threaten the victim                                     

     *  Slightly over one-third of the offenders experienced a
   sexual dysfunction, and the preferred sexual acts were vaginal
   rape and forced fellatio                                         

     *  Low levels of pleasure were reported by the rapists from the
   sexual acts                                                       

     *  The rapists tended not to be concerned with precautionary
   measures to protect their identities                             

     *  Approximately one-third of the rapists had consumed   
   alcohol prior to the crime and slightly less reported using
   some other drug.


     The most common post-offense behavior reported by the reapists
were feelings of remorse and guilt, following the case in the media
and an increase in alcohol and drug consumption.

     These characteristics, although not generally applicable to
every rapist, can be helpful in learning more about offenders, their
behaviors and the heinnous crime of rape.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 17, 2010, 01:14:30 PM
The CON approach could easy to be used if Amber was used to seeing this person around.. Like a landscape guy..
The boy seen walking with her could also be some person she was aware of..

Red truck had a kid out of control by cutting classes.. but the parent was not at work HE was chasing down the kid.. Acting strange himself in trying to catch the kid..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 01:23:42 PM
Can anyone answer for me a question regarding the boy that was seen walking with Amber....Why did they assume he was a student from the high school? Was he seen wearing a back pack? They said he was darker skinned so did they  see his face or another part of his body? What color hair did he have or was he wearing a hat? I think they said he was tall, around 6ft and thin? Has there ever been a sketch of this boy? It maybe helpful to get that sketch out, maybe someone could ID him. I would take it with me when I visited the AA group and spoke to the leaders. 

Has Carrie done a city wide mailing to each and every home, apartment and Mobile home in the Escondido area? I bet there are still people who are oblivious to Amber being missing or some may think she just is another run away. I design mailers all of the time for my business and would offer my suggestions on the lay out if she needs it.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 01:29:57 PM
The CON approach could easy to be used if Amber was used to seeing this person around.. Like a landscape guy..
The boy seen walking with her could also be some person she was aware of..

Red truck had a kid out of control by cutting classes.. but the parent was not at work HE was chasing down the kid.. Acting strange himself in trying to catch the kid..


The red truck guy was stalking his son to see if he was cutting class? Or maybe red truck guy was stalking his son because he knew his son was up to something not so good while cutting class? I do not trust that whole situation. I ask myself what I would do if my child was cutting class, would I stalk him and try to catch him? Would my husband do that? Or my ex husband? Would any friends do that? I just don't see that. Not for cutting class anyway, maybe for drug use or some type of criminal behavior.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 01:30:15 PM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story

Edward,
Weren't you looking into something in the San Bernardino desert? I am wondering if this is Leisha Hurst? Or someone else?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 01:32:33 PM
The CON approach could easy to be used if Amber was used to seeing this person around.. Like a landscape guy..
The boy seen walking with her could also be some person she was aware of..

Red truck had a kid out of control by cutting classes.. but the parent was not at work HE was chasing down the kid.. Acting strange himself in trying to catch the kid..


The red truck guy was stalking his son to see if he was cutting class? Or maybe red truck guy was stalking his son because he knew his son was up to something not so good while cutting class? I do not trust that whole situation. I ask myself what I would do if my child was cutting class, would I stalk him and try to catch him? Would my husband do that? Or my ex husband? Would any friends do that? I just don't see that. Not for cutting class anyway, maybe for drug use or some type of criminal behavior.


Hi Tracy,
Something about this whole scenario does not ring true for me either. If he was worried about his son cutting class, why not just check in with attendance? Did his son not have a cellphone?


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Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2010, 02:09:06 PM
Severed Head Found in Discarded Backpack

BARSTOW, Calif. -- An investigation is under way after a human head was found inside a backpack in the San Bernardino County desert.

Barstow police say a man collecting cans made the discovery last week in an area west of a residential neighborhood and near several truck stops.

The head was that of a brown-haired woman, police said, adding that it was wrapped in plastic grocery bags with the store labels "Fiesta Foods" and "Walgreens."

Authorities are working to identify the remains.

DNA samples and X-rays have been sent to the state.

Anyone with information is asked to call Detective Keith Libby at 760-255-5134.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story


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Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2010, 02:11:46 PM
Yet another skull

Human Skull Found at Griffith Park

LOS ANGELES -- An investigation was underway Tuesday after hikers found human remains at Griffith Park.

Los Angeles police Officer Rosario Herrera said the skull was found by a hiker at around 5:35 p.m. Monday.

He says the remains were found along the Mineral Wells trail.

The skull appears to have been there for about two years, and it appears to be that of an adult male.

A team of 15 to 20 searchers combed the area for other skeletal remains, but didn't find any.

Investigators from the coroner's office were also at the scene.

Assistant Chief Ed Winter of the coroner's office would not comment on whether the skull showed any signs of trauma. Winter said there was a small amount of flesh left on the skull.

Winter said authorities will try to match DNA and dental records to any missing people from the area.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-griffith-park-bones,0,179686.story


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 02:50:25 PM
Barstow, straight up the 15...Prayers for whoever this this, may this bring closure for a waiting family.

What's with all of the skulls being found? does it seem like a lot or is this a "normal" amount? Kind of creepy.   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 03:34:47 PM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story

Edward,
Weren't you looking into something in the San Bernardino desert? I am wondering if this is Leisha Hurst? Or someone else?

My mistake, I believe that Leisha Hursts' remains were found. What about April Pitzer? She went missing in this area didn't she? If I remember correctly her clothing was found in a mine shaft? I also called The Barstow Police Department to see if I could find out what color the backpack was but they would not give out any info what so ever!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 03:46:46 PM
Sebastian you got nanners!


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 17, 2010, 06:01:08 PM
I was looking through myspace and saw some older guy that looks like Merrill Oliver Tracy and he's 55 from San Jacinto, california this guy has nice hair though...http://www.myspace.com/ronlomer  <-- the llink..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 07:31:03 PM
Sebastian you got nanners!

Are you throwing the nanners at me? LOL


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 09:35:14 PM
Authorities said they are looking for an interior fountain designer, his wife and their two preschool-age children, who have been missing from their Bonsall-area home for nearly two weeks.

Family, friends and business contacts told the San Diego County Sheriff's Department that they have not seen or heard from Joseph "Joey" Bryan McStay, 40; his wife, Summer McStay, 43; and their two young boys, Gianni and Joey Jr. ---- since Feb. 4, sheriff's homicide Lt. Dennis Brugos said Tuesday.

Their white Isuzu vehicle has since been located; it was abandoned in San Ysidro.

And that has Joseph McStay's father in knots.

"As a father, I am scared to death, with the car being found by the Mexican border," Patrick McStay said. "I don't know. I'm just trying to hold it together right now."

The elder McStay said his grandson Gianni is 5 years old and Joey Jr. is 3 years old.

The Texas resident said he had planned to visit the family soon, and had hopes of building a clubhouse with the boys in their front yard.

Deputies checked on the family on the evening of Feb. 15 at the request of Joseph McStay's brother Michael, Brugos said.

The family wasn't there, but their two dogs were, and had been left uncared for, the lieutenant said.

That and other odd findings at the home led deputies to call the homicide division, as is protocol in missing persons cases with suspicious circumstances, Brugos said.

"Homicide is involved because of the unusual circumstances," he said, but declined to say what those circumstances might have been.

"The totality of the circumstances surrounding their disappearance was quite out of character for this family," he said.

There was no indication the McStays had gone on a planned trip, Brugos said, and it would be out of character for them to leave for so long without sharing their plans or talking with family and friends.

Investigators then learned that the McStays' car had been found abandoned near the U.S.-Mexico border in San Ysidro, and was subsequently towed and impounded in the days after the family's disappearance, Brugos said.

Investigators have notified Mexican authorities and will look through surveillance video at the border crossing, Brugos said.

The abandoned car didn't raise any red flags when it was found, Brugos said, because no one knew the family was missing.

The home is on the east side of Interstate 15 near the Highway 76 exit.

County listings show that the four-bedroom, three-bathroom home was bought in November for $330,000.

The elder McStay said his son and daughter-in-law had just moved to the Bonsall area from Orange County.

Joseph McStay owns EIP, or Earth Inspired Products, in which he designs interior water features, his father said.

He started the business in his garage, and in less than a year had so much success that he was able to move into a commercial building.

His father said his son is a talented artist and businessman, and added that "even at 40 years old, everybody still calls him Joey."

Joseph McStay is described as white, with brown hair and brown eyes, about 5 feet 9 inches tall, and 175 pounds.

Summer McStay, a stay-at-home mom, is also known as Lisa Aranda-Martelli, according to homicide detectives.

She is described as a Colombian woman with brown hair and brown eyes, about 5 feet 5 inches tall, and about 115 pounds.

Anyone with information on the McStays' whereabouts was asked to call the Sheriff's Department at 858-974-2321, or leave an anonymous tip with Crime Stoppers at 888-580-8477 or online at sdcrimestoppers.com.

Call staff writer Teri Figueroa at 760-740-5442.

Probably not related to Amber, but Bonsall is very close to Escondido.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 10:48:08 PM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story

A bit grisly, sorry!

Here is a picture of the backpack. I was panicking and a friend reminded me that 90% of backpacks sold are black. I have not heard of Fiesta Foods. I am going to check and see the closest one and the general areas where that store is.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 17, 2010, 10:54:04 PM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story


(http://www.ktla.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-02/52272698-17164646.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 10:54:25 PM
Sebastian you got nanners!

lol no I would never throw banana's at you. It is a term which means to check your email. Klaas sent my email address to you, can you please write back to me?

Thanks


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 17, 2010, 10:54:37 PM
I read the Bonsall disappearance story this morning. I will wait to find out about the Colombia womens connections to drug lords before I give any opinions. Their back yards butt up against an open area with trees and possible drug growing area's. I don't get why the car was left at the border.

I did read a lengthy article today (I'm still on murder) and murders committed early in the morning seldom involve alcohol or drugs. I wonder if this is true for early morning abductions.

I would believe gang related abduction if jealousy was involved. Like a gang girl has a boyfriend who was attracted to Amber. This would make the girl jealous and if she had a gang member brother or father she would have this guy abduct Amber and I would think sell her into prostitution. These gang members are all money motivated aren't they? But if that is the case why didn't they sell that check for the bank account number. These guys would sell a student ID card if it had a value. I don't know much about gang's, I just know I live in a city that has a high number of illegals living in it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 11:03:10 PM
http://www.fiestamexicanamarket.com/files_en/location_en.aspx?value=greenfruit.jpg

Looks like there are locations in San Bernardino, fontana, Anahiem, Rialto, Salinas, moreno Valley


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 11:05:08 PM
Tracygirl,
I finally figured it out and sent you nanners, lol!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 11:07:48 PM
I read the Bonsall disappearance story this morning. I will wait to find out about the Colombia womens connections to drug lords before I give any opinions. Their back yards butt up against an open area with trees and possible drug growing area's. I don't get why the car was left at the border.

I did read a lengthy article today (I'm still on murder) and murders committed early in the morning seldom involve alcohol or drugs. I wonder if this is true for early morning abductions.

I would believe gang related abduction if jealousy was involved. Like a gang girl has a boyfriend who was attracted to Amber. This would make the girl jealous and if she had a gang member brother or father she would have this guy abduct Amber and I would think sell her into prostitution. These gang members are all money motivated aren't they? But if that is the case why didn't they sell that check for the bank account number. These guys would sell a student ID card if it had a value. I don't know much about gang's, I just know I live in a city that has a high number of illegals living in it.

I hope there is not a drug connection, because if so, I doubt any of them would still be alive. I got a red flag reading that his business was doing so well in this economy. Then the wife who is Columbian. I hope that drugs were not involved in any way and the rest is a coincidence!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 11:16:55 PM
I read the Bonsall disappearance story this morning. I will wait to find out about the Colombia womens connections to drug lords before I give any opinions. Their back yards butt up against an open area with trees and possible drug growing area's. I don't get why the car was left at the border.

I did read a lengthy article today (I'm still on murder) and murders committed early in the morning seldom involve alcohol or drugs. I wonder if this is true for early morning abductions.

I would believe gang related abduction if jealousy was involved. Like a gang girl has a boyfriend who was attracted to Amber. This would make the girl jealous and if she had a gang member brother or father she would have this guy abduct Amber and I would think sell her into prostitution. These gang members are all money motivated aren't they? But if that is the case why didn't they sell that check for the bank account number. These guys would sell a student ID card if it had a value. I don't know much about gang's, I just know I live in a city that has a high number of illegals living in it.

Early morning abductions not ending in death is a good point. If someone was planning on taking a person, raping them and then disposing of the body then time would not be of that much importance, or so I would think. But if someone was going to kidnap someone and travel with them, considering the risk of an Amber alert, they would need a pretty good head start, early morning before school starts fits. It wasn't until after 5 I think before it was considered that she was not at school? That is a good 9 or 10 hours head start?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 11:29:14 PM
It still makes me crazy that the school did not call one of the parents at work. Instead, they left a voice mail when no one was at home to get it. I am sure that this is the "norm" but it is just one more thing that should change.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 11:44:00 PM
It still makes me crazy that the school did not call one of the parents at work. Instead, they left a voice mail when no one was at home to get it. I am sure that this is the "norm" but it is just one more thing that should change.

Some school districts don't even call until the evening hours. I remember when I was in school the school would call by at the lastest noon if a child didn't show up and no one called it in. They need to go back to that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 17, 2010, 11:44:45 PM
I read the Bonsall disappearance story this morning. I will wait to find out about the Colombia womens connections to drug lords before I give any opinions. Their back yards butt up against an open area with trees and possible drug growing area's. I don't get why the car was left at the border.

I did read a lengthy article today (I'm still on murder) and murders committed early in the morning seldom involve alcohol or drugs. I wonder if this is true for early morning abductions.

I would believe gang related abduction if jealousy was involved. Like a gang girl has a boyfriend who was attracted to Amber. This would make the girl jealous and if she had a gang member brother or father she would have this guy abduct Amber and I would think sell her into prostitution. These gang members are all money motivated aren't they? But if that is the case why didn't they sell that check for the bank account number. These guys would sell a student ID card if it had a value. I don't know much about gang's, I just know I live in a city that has a high number of illegals living in it.

Early morning abductions not ending in death is a good point. If someone was planning on taking a person, raping them and then disposing of the body then time would not be of that much importance, or so I would think. But if someone was going to kidnap someone and travel with them, considering the risk of an Amber alert, they would need a pretty good head start, early morning before school starts fits. It wasn't until after 5 I think before it was considered that she was not at school? That is a good 9 or 10 hours head start?


The timing could have come into play because of someone sitting in the church parking lot contemplating whether or not to go into the AA meeting. Then Amber walks by.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 17, 2010, 11:53:26 PM
Carrie or LE needs to go to that group and ask questions....Having a composite sketch of the boy seen walking with amber would help.


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Post by: ChiChi on February 18, 2010, 12:03:51 AM
Sebastian,
Kids go missing while walking to and from school more then any other time of the day. I think it is because of the distraction of kids walking, cars coming and going, buses around. It is like a child can get lost in the chaos.
I also wonder if what could have happened was a car was parked parallele to Broadway, next to the baseball field and was watching for a girl to happen by just  at that right moment. I have to say I find it strange that they seemed to stay away from camera's, was that just lucky on their part or was it planned?
I still think that boy was a ploy to get Amber's guard down. He could have easily came up to her from that parking lot and said he was new and lost. Then as they pass the driveway a vehicle ( I imagine a van) pulls up, he pulls a weapon and tells her to get into the vehicle or someone simply pulls her in. It would take just a few seconds for that to happen, I think faster then Amber could respond.
If Amber was kidnapped off the street I think it is safe to say a car/van/truck was used..So which type of vehicle makes sense that a girl could be taken off the street and no one either sees it or notices? A car I think would be too small and people could easily see in a window. A truck/SUV could work but they are also a bit off the ground which may make it more difficult to pull someone in or push them in? A van with a sliding side door may work. A person could be on the inside of the van, open the door and pull while the boy pushes. It is large enough to conceal it from the street side and there are no windows. Unless I am forgetting a vehicle to me it makes the most sense to say a van could have be used.
I wish I had access to the intersection camera's or the camera's facing the street from school or businesses. What I would give right now to have more information. 


I have to agree Tracy Girl with the coming and going of kids to schools is the perfect time for a perp to strike.  Everyone is running late, forgeting stuff, hurried, most parents who are driving their kids are probably also on their way to work and it's all about come on, come on, come on...  If they have the two parents who claim to have seen Amber that am on tape dropping off their children, perhaps they also have a shot of the street where Amber was supposedly seen? Why can't they zoom in (supposing the quality is there) and check out each vehicle...

Regarding that SO, you can call the local Parole Unit and ask to speak to the Agent of the Day, or maybe even the receptionist knows who reports address changes to the Megan's Law Website.  If he has moved and not reported his new residence, etc., perhaps he is a Parolee at Large and maybe there is a warrant for his arrest... 

If you feel strongly about this perp, I would make the call.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 18, 2010, 12:16:39 AM
can anyone confirm if this man is a merrill oliver tracy? you can tell me **** no and that would be fine with me LOL. maybe he was using myspace to look at amber or some girl next door for a sex slave. I don't know what was on amber's myspace, seems like everything has been deleted, was her myspace private before she went missing? because I am not sure what was on her myspace such as photos or what city she lived. If her myspace was open for everyone to see, that would make her an easy target for sex offenders in her area. Here is the link again: http://www.myspace.com/ronlomer 


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Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 12:28:13 AM
There is a resemblance for sure. How did you find this guy? Did you type in Merrill Tracy or what? As far as the myspace, someone else made it for Amber as a prank. That is what I heard. To my knowledge Amber never had a myspace or facebook.


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Post by: Edward on February 18, 2010, 12:30:28 AM
looks like they are brothers or there is an age or time differance.


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Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 12:30:38 AM
Regarding the photo, he looks like he may be wearing a wig. Almost like he has tooooooooooo much hair for his age? Does it look that way to anyone else?


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 18, 2010, 12:32:11 AM
These sex offenders can get botox for their wrinkles, neck lift, face lift etc, just to make themselves look good or neat.... they don't have to look like their mug shot. They may even be wearing a nice looking toupee for all I know. I agree with you Tracy too that right before school hours around 7:10 to 7:30 in the morning is the busiest part of day for everyone, cars are trying to get out of the side street where the parents park and drop off their kids to school, and they are trying to get back on the road to go to work or home, while other cars who are by them are trying to drive as fast as they can to avoid those cars, this is an opportunity for anyone to do what they want to do if they are like phillip garrido or some man on drugs looking for a young girl who is vulnerable. It is almost like Amber going missing is a copycat of the jaycee dugard. What I am saying is Jaycee's mom divorced to marry another man and had a child with him and Amber's mom divorced and had a child with another man and I am not saying if you get divorced and have a child with another man the child in your previous marriage is going to go missing, I am saying there is like another person out there who thinks he can be like phillip garrido and get away with it, I think this man is copying phillip garrido and he thinks he is even more hardcore than garrido, I think this man knows a lot of cell phones and technology and thinks that by taking amber away from her mom, that he is not doing anything wrong because he figures amber's mom already has a new child or has other kids and that Amber is just another kid, so he generalizes in his mind that he can be some kind of god to her because of how vulnerable and submissive she is. Sounds sick I know but I am just trying to get into this person's mind that is if he is like phillip garrido.


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Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 12:53:11 AM
You should read about Timothy Bindner Piw. Very interesting reading!


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 18, 2010, 12:56:20 AM
There is a resemblance for sure. How did you find this guy? Did you type in Merrill Tracy or what? As far as the myspace, someone else made it for Amber as a prank. That is what I heard. To my knowledge Amber never had a myspace or facebook.

I typed in merrill in the myspace search people section. I think Amber had a myspace because I looked it up it said Amber age 14,  escondido, but I can't find it anymore... it had said her last login was 2/12/2009 or 2/13/2009, if i find it I will put it here, but it didn't look like a prank,


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Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 01:01:47 AM
Wow, it very well could be the same Merrill. Gee, I wonder why he is trying to look younger? SO website puts him at 55. I wonder if the attempted rape and kidnapping was on a child or an adult female. If so, I wonder how old the female was.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 18, 2010, 01:09:06 AM
I think I merrill oliver tracy has some adopted family members.. or is adopted some woman on http://registry.adoption.com/records/517267.html is saying merrill oliver tracy is her brother..... http://registry.adoption.com/records/517267.html (ftp://http://registry.adoption.com/records/517267.html) http://registry.adoption.com/records/517267.html (http://registry.adoption.com/records/517267.html)


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Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 01:13:19 AM
Why do so many of these sickos drive white trucks or white vans? Rancho Santa Fe is about 20 minutes from Escondido.

 RANCHO SANTA FE - The Rancho Santa Fe community is on the lookout for a man trying to lure children into his truck. Sheriff deputies say already three separate times this week the suspect tried to pickup either a girl or boy.

The attempted child kidnappings happened near the 6200 block of Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe.

Stacey Feinberg talks about the alert she received from her daughter's school. Her daughter, Bailey, is a second grader at Rancho Santa Fe elementary. Teachers put out a warning of a man trying to lure kids into his truck.

Feinberg said,  "I was shocked, because we moved to this beautiful little hamlet because we didn't think things like this happened."

Officers say a man driving a white truck tried to pick up some girls ranging from the ages of 8 to 10 years old from their driveways.  In another attempt the man reportedly drove his truck right up next to a girl while she was in a crosswalk. Now Feinberg has made the message clear to her child: stay away from strangers.

Feinberg said,  "No matter what anybody says to you, wave, smiles, 'come on over -- I have candy -- help me find my puppy' --  if it's a stranger, you don't go near them."

Witnesses describe the suspect as a Latino man in his thirties to fifties.  He has a thin mustache with large glasses. The suspect drives a white truck with ladders on the sides.


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Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 01:17:56 AM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story


(http://www.ktla.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-02/52272698-17164646.jpg)

With regards to the backpack, one of my kids said that this is an Everest backpack. Apparently this backpack is very inexpensive compared to some of the higher end backpacks.


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 18, 2010, 01:22:39 AM
If you go onto the myspace there is another pic of this man and he looks different. I don't think they are the same person


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 18, 2010, 01:23:41 AM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story


(http://www.ktla.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-02/52272698-17164646.jpg)

With regards to the backpack, one of my kids said that this is an Everest backpack. Apparently this backpack is very inexpensive compared to some of the higher end backpacks.

What kind of backpack did Amber have?


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 18, 2010, 01:50:17 AM
if anyone wants more information about merrill oliver tracy 09/01/1954,  here it is and this will be it.


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Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 01:56:29 AM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story


(http://www.ktla.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-02/52272698-17164646.jpg)

With regards to the backpack, one of my kids said that this is an Everest backpack. Apparently this backpack is very inexpensive compared to some of the higher end backpacks.

What kind of backpack did Amber have?

To my knowledge, LE has never released what type of backpack that Amber has.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 18, 2010, 02:02:35 AM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-barstow-severed-head,0,4789082.story


(http://www.ktla.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-02/52272698-17164646.jpg)

With regards to the backpack, one of my kids said that this is an Everest backpack. Apparently this backpack is very inexpensive compared to some of the higher end backpacks.

What kind of backpack did Amber have?

To my knowledge, LE has never released what type of backpack that Amber has.

I thought they said Amber's backpack was one like a shoulder laptop bag, I had one of those and it makes one side of your clavicle on your shoulder longer than the other.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 02:03:15 AM
If you go onto the myspace there is another pic of this man and he looks different. I don't think they are the same person

Where is the other picture?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 18, 2010, 02:06:23 AM
other pic


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 02:10:40 AM
Tough call. Isn't that a work out machine in the background? Maybe he has cleaned himself up. Maybe sobered up too. Maybe those AA meetings helped? If you look at the 3 photos, all three look like three different men. Maybe he is a cameleon.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 18, 2010, 02:20:41 AM
Tough call. Isn't that a work out machine in the background? Maybe he has cleaned himself up. Maybe sobered up too. Maybe those AA meetings helped? If you look at the 3 photos, all three look like three different men. Maybe he is a cameleon.

yeah well its hard to tell.. I googled merrill oliver tracy and it says he has a sister (rebecca or codi or kodi farrell) looking for him on an adoption reunion website and it's the same merrill oliver tracy on the sex offender website because they both have the same birth date 09/01/1954. It is on page 12 of this board It took a lot of room to post and the web link won't work for some reason. I don't know what is going on with him and his sister, maybe he is keeping down low if the cops are looking for him... or maybe the sister is helping the cops find him by posting that page on the adoption reunion website...

Josephanie? Birth Date Dec 05, 1956 Birth Place Connecticut Race None Other Info Hello. I am looking for my siblings. Cheryl Alison Tracy DOB- 09-21-52, also MERRILL OLIVER TRACY DOB- 09-01-54 There is also Lloyd Allyn Farren,PHILIP FARREN, and youngest is CODY but not sure of last name.We were all put up for adoption or foster care. Mothers name was GERALDINE JENNIE CLARK DOB was- 01-21-1933, she was born in maine. Please if there is any information on any of the names listed Please notify me on AOL. SILVRDOE22@aol.com My birthmom's name was Geraldine Farren, told to me, and on mine and my brother's BC that we found when we were kids snooping around in our adoptive parents papers. I am originally from Wiscasset, Maine. We were brought, my brother and myself, from New London, Connecticut, to an orphanage in Gardiner, Maine. My birthname was Cody/Kodi Rebecca Farren, as listed, my Brother was born according to the Certificate, as Phillip Rodney Farren. I am not sure if the spellings are correct, because of the one view I had of the Certificates, when I was maybe 12 or so, I read it only once, but never forgot. I was born 02-26-1962, in Augusta, Maine , upon adoption, my name was changed to Jodi Ann Phillip Rodney, now Jon Phillip...06-05-1961 in New London, CT Both of us were adopted together, not usually done, but I have a long story to tell, and can't believe your ad as I read it: This is what SILVRDOE22@aol.com wrote in the Ad: Dec 05, 1956 Birth Place Connecticut Race None Other Info Hello. I am looking for my siblings. Cheryl Alison Tracy DOB- 09-21-52, also MERRILL OLIVER TRACY DOB- 09-01-54 There is also Lloyd Allyn Farren,PHILIP FARREN, and youngest is CODY but not sure of last name.We were all put up for adoption or foster care. Mothers name was GERALDINE JENNIE CLARK DOB was- 01-21-1933, she was born in Maine. Please if there is any information on any of the names listed Please notify me on AOL. SILVRDOE22@aol.com Continued... We were allegedly found abandoned in an apartment in New London, CT... I was 3 mos. old, and my brother was 18 mos. older than me...police records indicate that mother was caught shoplifting in a store, and arrested, but no one believed her,(reports indicate that she was known habitual liar), that she had two children in an apartment above a grocery store alone. One child was 3.5 yrs. old, one was 3 mos. old, and alone...they arrested her regardless. Later, the shop owner reported to police that a small boy had come in and stolen a loaf of bread, and the store owner knew where the loaf of bread went... The police finally investigated a crying baby call, and found the two children in the apartment abandoned for at least 3 days. Both were soiled, malnutritious with distended abdomens, and lice ridden... This was Phillip and Cody. We were sent to the State of Maine and placed in an orphanage in Gardiner(town of). Later, we were found by adoptive parents on a lead. Someone told my adoptive parents about a Fairground that the orphanage went to, we had a real hearse (for dead people) to travel in, and were outside the fair earning money to get in. I was 2 yrs. old, thereabouts, and was dancing on the roof of the hearse, to get people to give us money. The people inquired about me, and gave the info to my adoptive parents. They pursued the lead of the little girl, and came to meet me... I would not go with them for a ride... crying and going to the closet beneath the stairs. The Orphanage mother finally opened the door to the stairs, and my older brother was discovered to have been put there. For some reason, they didn't want it known that we were brother and sister, but my adoptive parents tried to adopt us both together, and succeeded after some time, and a long battle. I was always told of my adoption, and that I had several siblings and have searched for over 25 yrs., maybe longer... I don't know what became of my birthmother...Geraldine is the only recollection, and that our father, or my father may have been Frank, in the armed services at the time... Geraldine had several children removed from her custody to three different states, NH, ME, and CT, my adoptive father has passed away and I have this information from his attorney, David Soule, Jr. and the late David Soule, Sr. Please reply soon... This is too close a match to ignore for myself and you...


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Post by: sebastian on February 18, 2010, 02:31:52 AM
I guess this adoption story kind of gives one an insight how these kids turn into criminals. Ugh! I struggle to find the words to describe these kind of parents. It is so overwhelmingly sick! Maybe the sister found him on the SO website and decided not to pursue it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 18, 2010, 12:45:26 PM
I don't think Merrill Tracy is any long a suspect. The e-mail from the RV park was not specific, but did say that Tracy was questioned by police and they know of his whereabouts. This would tell me that his alibi has been checked and he is cleared as a suspect. I would not rule him out completely, but I think he is a dead end. The police would not question a suspect and not check out his alibi.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 18, 2010, 01:02:27 PM
WHAT WE KNOW (or at least Agree on)

She was abducted (not a runaway)

It was early morning

Perp is a male (maybe two)

A vehicle was used

No clues left behind (meaning clean not sloppy )

Crime was sexually motivated

cell phone was turned on long enough to get a tower ping


WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW

Remote location (where he took her)?

Perps identity?

Was Saturday cell phone ping on his way out of city or back into the city?

Kind of Vehicle used?  How far traveled?

                                      Anyone got anything else to add to the list?




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 18, 2010, 01:34:52 PM
Red pick up is the only out of character vehicle we know of.. Nobody reported any other strange behaviors and ALL eyewitness accounts of Amber remain unverified.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 18, 2010, 01:52:50 PM
other pic

Thanks for the side by side. What I do to compare pics is look at the things you cannot change, such as the placement of the eyes how wide apart or close together, where the ears end in connection to the cheek bones, the distance between the mouth and nose, etc...
In my unprofessional opinion they are close but not the same person. Maybe they are related?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 18, 2010, 02:00:16 PM
WHAT WE KNOW (or at least Agree on)

She was abducted (not a runaway)

It was early morning

Perp is a male (maybe two)

A vehicle was used

No clues left behind (meaning clean not sloppy )

Crime was sexually motivated

cell phone was turned on long enough to get a tower ping


WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW

Remote location (where he took her)?

Perps identity?

Was Saturday cell phone ping on his way out of city or back into the city?

Kind of Vehicle used?  How far traveled?

                                      Anyone got anything else to add to the list?




Good list, thank you for making it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 18, 2010, 03:28:18 PM
I wonder if these two guys can be tied to Escondido CA. in February of 2009?

http://www.annarbor.com/news/amber-alert-issued-for-14-year-old-ypsilanti-girl/

The non black fits the description of the boy walking with Amber. If he were clean shaven.


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Post by: Shell on February 19, 2010, 06:23:36 PM
Why do so many of these sickos drive white trucks or white vans? Rancho Santa Fe is about 20 minutes from Escondido.

 RANCHO SANTA FE - The Rancho Santa Fe community is on the lookout for a man trying to lure children into his truck. Sheriff deputies say already three separate times this week the suspect tried to pickup either a girl or boy.

The attempted child kidnappings happened near the 6200 block of Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe.

Stacey Feinberg talks about the alert she received from her daughter's school. Her daughter, Bailey, is a second grader at Rancho Santa Fe elementary. Teachers put out a warning of a man trying to lure kids into his truck.

Feinberg said,  "I was shocked, because we moved to this beautiful little hamlet because we didn't think things like this happened."

Officers say a man driving a white truck tried to pick up some girls ranging from the ages of 8 to 10 years old from their driveways.  In another attempt the man reportedly drove his truck right up next to a girl while she was in a crosswalk. Now Feinberg has made the message clear to her child: stay away from strangers.

Feinberg said,  "No matter what anybody says to you, wave, smiles, 'come on over -- I have candy -- help me find my puppy' --  if it's a stranger, you don't go near them."

Witnesses describe the suspect as a Latino man in his thirties to fifties.  He has a thin mustache with large glasses. The suspect drives a white truck with ladders on the sides.

I am curious as to the date of this article. When was this reported?
(If you know) Thanks!


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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 19, 2010, 11:01:20 PM
http://www.azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_8cd04358-1db3-11df-92af-001cc4c03286.html

Tucson police: 'Person of interest' held in kidnapping case
Story Jamar Younger Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:02 pm

Font Size: Default font size Larger font size A man considered a “person of interest” in the abduction of a teenage girl as she walked home for school is being questioned by police.

Detectives are trying to determine if he was involved in the Feb. 5 abduction of the Catalina Magnet High School student who police say was pulled into a pickup truck by a man who snatched her from the street as she walked home. The girl, 15, fought off her attacker, who pushed her out of his vehicle then sped away.

Chief Roberto Villaseńor said tonight that the man was linked to the case through DNA evidence. The type of evidence was not disclosed, but police say the man matched a DNA sample kept in a state database.

Police worked with federal officers to find the man, who was picked up about 2:40 this afternoon at a home near North Stone Avenue and East Limberlost Drive.

The name of the man was not released.

A rash of attempted abductions have been reported in the Tucson area in the past several weeks.

Last week Tucson police arrested Steve F. McPherson on charges in connection with the kidnapping of an 11-year-old girl as she walked to school with her 9-year-old sister near Nash Elementary, near West Grant and North Oracle roads.  McPherson, 32, was booked into the Pima County jail on five counts, including suspicion of kidnapping a victim under the age of 15 and suspicion of attempted sexual conduct with a minor under the age of 15, police said.

Meanwhile, two more attempted abductions were reported last month in Marana. Those also involved schoolgirls.

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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 19, 2010, 11:09:09 PM
Modesto girl, 13, unhurt after attempted kidnapping; suspect sought
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=75636&catid=2 
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MODESTO, CA - Police in Modesto were searching for a man who allegedly attempted to kidnap a 13-year-old girl as she walked home from school Thursday, according to a Modesto police spokesman.

The girl said she was walking on the 2700 block of Mill Oak Drive around 4:05 p.m. Thursday when a car pulled in front of her, Modesto police Sgt. Rick Armendariz said.

When she crossed to the other side of the street, the driver allegedly made a u-turn in front of her and stopped in the middle of the street.

Armendariz said the driver got out of the car, walked up to the girl and grabbed her right arm. When the girl pulled away, she said the man grabbed her again on the shoulders and began pulling her toward the car. The girl was able to break free from his grasp and ran home.

The suspect is described as a Hispanic man between 30 and 40 years old, about 5 feet, 10 inches tall with a medium build. The girl reported his head was shaved on the sides with brown, 2-inch "afro"-style hair on top.

The man's vehicle was described as a tan, 4-door mid-size passenger vehicle.

Officers canvassed the neighborhood after the attempted abduction was reported, but no arrests were made. The Modesto City Schools and Sylvan School District were notified and school police officers from the Modesto Police Department would be assigned to provide extra patrols in the area, Armendariz said.

Anyone with information about the case was asked to call the Modesto Police Department at 209-572-9500 or Crime Stoppers and 866-602-7463.



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Post by: piwannaberookie on February 19, 2010, 11:21:46 PM
Police Seek Man In Kidnap Attempt http://www.koco.com/news/22594928/detail.html
Investigators Think Man Tried To Lure Kids Into Car
POSTED: 5:55 pm CST February 17, 2010
UPDATED: 7:38 pm CST February 17, 2010
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OKLAHOMA CITY -- Police said they're looking for a man who they think tried to abduct two children on their way to school early Wednesday.

Officers said the man pulled his car over near the intersection of Corbett Drive and Sunny Lane Road in Del City and tried to lure an 11-year-old girl and 7-year-old boy in the car.

The children ran from the scene and were not hurt.

Police did not release a detailed description of the man but said he was driving a four-door maroon car.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 20, 2010, 05:03:34 PM
WHAT WE KNOW (or at least Agree on)

She was abducted (not a runaway)

It was early morning

Perp is a male (maybe two)

A vehicle was used

No clues left behind (meaning clean not sloppy )

Crime was sexually motivated

cell phone was turned on long enough to get a tower ping


WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW

Remote location (where he took her)?

Perps identity?

Was Saturday cell phone ping on his way out of city or back into the city?

Kind of Vehicle used?  How far traveled?

                                      Anyone got anything else to add to the list?




I think Amber may have been robbed.... she had money on her... she had jewelry.... she had an ipod...she was 14 years old....I was looking through articles of teenagers being robbed on their way to school. Here's are some recents news articles particularly similar to what Tracy has on her list....maybe some other missing people were robbed such as those who were "endangered", meaning they are mentally unaware of their surroundings... and this person is serial robber in escondido... if anyone can find something similar to what I am talking about maybe they will find out something more... robberies are becoming more common because its easy.. all you do is show a weapon and youre handed over anything... maybe this robber never killed anyone before or didnt want to get caught robbing so he abducted the person and well is housing his victims, it's like that movie with halle berry in gothika... maybe amber is not contacting her mom because she is protecting her mom and sister from this person because the person holding her captive threatens if she tries to escape...

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/take_action&id=7091149 (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/take_action&id=7091149)
YEADON, Pa. - October 30, 2009 (WPVI) -- Police are looking for the man who robbed a teenage girl at gunpoint while she was walking to school.


It happened around 8:00 a.m. Friday in the 500 block of Industrial Park Drive in Yeadon, Pa.

Police say the 16-year-old girl was walking from her home to school when she was confronted by a man with a gun.


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Investigators say the man led the girl behind a business and robbed her of several items.

The girl had to struggle to get away. Once free she flagged down a passing driver in the 400 block of Baily Road.

The suspect is described as a black man, around 18-23 years old, 5'8" tall with a medium build. He was wearing a black ľ length jacket with red sleeves, tan pants and black sneakers. He also had a black backpack with white striping.

Anyone with any information is encouraged to contact the Yeadon Police Department's Detective Division at 610-259-1228.


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Johannesburg - An 18-year-old girl was robbed by three men with a toy gun while on her way to school in Soweto on Friday morning, police said.

Inspector Kay Makhubela said the girl was walking to school in Zola Extension 3, when three men held her up using the toy gun.

"They demanded her belongings and she handed over her jewellery, cellphone, watch and money," said Makhubela.

The girl ran home after the robbers let her go and told her family.

"The family chased them with a car and caught one of the robbers in the street."

They found the weapon on him, which turned out to be a toy gun.

Makhubela said during questioning the man told the police where his accomplices were, and they were arrested shortly after at a shack in Zondi in Soweto.

"The police found the stolen goods in their possession," said Makhubela. The suspects had no other weapons on them.

The men, between the ages of 23 and 26, will appear in the Protea Magistrate's Court on Monday on charges of armed robbery and the possession of stolen property.



- SAPA




http://articles.latimes.com/1998/mar/17/local/me-29898 (http://articles.latimes.com/1998/mar/17/local/me-29898)

Boy, 14, Robbed at Knifepoint on Way to School
Crime: Student is left unharmed by assailants in car, authorities say, in latest instance of violence on or near county campuses.

March 17, 1998|DAWN HOBBS , SPECIAL TO THE TIMES
VENTURA — A 14-year-old boy was robbed at knifepoint Monday morning on his way to Cabrillo Middle School, the latest in a series of violent attacks in recent weeks on or near school campuses.

Although authorities said the robbery did not appear to be gang-related, it follows other attacks on Ventura County youths.

"How brazen they were to just get out of their car in the middle of the morning . . . with no masks or nothing and do this to a younger child," said Joseph Spirito, superintendent of the Ventura Unified School District.

"It's almost as if they don't care if they're identified," Spirito said. "We've got to become more vigilant . . . and show a concerted effort that if you hurt our kids we are going to prosecute you and put you away."

The Cabrillo Middle School student was walking about 9 a.m. through an alley south of Santa Clara Street near Hemlock Street, authorities said, when a rusty red El Camino with three teenagers drove up behind him.

Two of the occupants jumped out of the car and demanded to know where the boy was going, and one then pulled out a knife and demanded money, the authorities said.

The boy reportedly turned over $20 and the assailants fled. The boy was unharmed and immediately returned home, where he told his mother, who called police and then the school.

Less than half a mile from where the boy was robbed, police swarmed the streets while waiting for Hells Angels members to arrive for their 50th anniversary celebration.

That irony was not lost on Spirito or parents waiting to pick up children Monday afternoon at the downtown middle school.

"And here we are worried about the Hells Angels coming to town, and we have one of my young kids accosted by a bunch of thugs," Spirito said. "I'm not saying the police aren't doing their job . . . but we need to think of better ways to patrol."

Some parents agreed that more police should be patrolling near schools.

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"School officials aren't really responsible for something that happens away from school, but maybe the police could patrol better where the children walk to school," said Bill Pontbriant, father of a 13-year-old Cabrillo student.

"But they're making a big deal out of the Hells Angels," Pontbriant said. "They're all down there, and that's going to be nothing."

Other parents said they refuse to allow their children to walk to school because of the potential for incidents like Monday's robbery.


12 year old Robbed on way to school
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12 year old robbed and assaulted walking home from school
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A 12 year old boy was robbed and assaulted on Thursday (23 April) whilst walking home from school.  The incident which happened at approximately 5.45pm whilst the youngster walking near Holy Trinity Church in Wilnecote.

The boy, who was walking home from school up Nine Foot Lane when he was attacked from behind and forced to hand over his Sony Ericsson W595 mobile phone and black iPod Touch.  The boy wasn’t injured during the attack, but was badly shaken from the experience.

Staffordshire Police are appealing for any witnesses who may have seen the incident.  The two youths the Police are looking for in connection to this robbery are described as around 15/16 years old.  The first was white with short, brown, spiky hair in a “mohican style” and wearing a black tracksuit with white stripes along the arms and legs.  The second is described as black around the same age.

Anyone witnesses or anyone with information about the incident, is asked to contact Pc Chris Murcott on 0300 123 44 55 or, call crime Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555 111.

http://tamworthblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/12-year-old-robbed-and-assaulted-walking-home-from-school/ (http://tamworthblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/12-year-old-robbed-and-assaulted-walking-home-from-school/)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 20, 2010, 06:07:16 PM
whoever is responsible for amber's disappearance is afraid of going back to prison, and probably does not care of the reward for her return. How many robbers have gotten out of prison or jail after finishing their sentence and then how long does it take for him/her to go back to robbing or committing a criminal offense they have love or live to do, it doesn't take that long. Youth Court "Diversion" programs aimed at punishing juveniles, punish them by writing essays and papers on a topic... I don't think juveniles would be afraid to write another paper and decide not to rob a kid for his ipod and then pawn it to buy a week supply of cigarettes or drugs...
Below are some links to some articles relating to criminals released from prison after finishing their sentence and going back at it again, it shouldn't take too long to for EPD to find out about the serial robbers released from prison. There should be a serial robber offender website for robbers that prey on children, teens etc, not just  a sex offender website...these guys need to be "registered", they will just rob kids because they know how to get away with it, they will partner with other inmates they made friends with in jail or prison (like bonnie and clyde).. it's a life style just like being a sex offender is a lifestyle unless you change and well who knows... its hard getting a job because they aren't many around and its even harder for a personal with a felony criminal record to get a job especially if they don't want to work for a living.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4150507 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4150507)
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/1395/story/878899.html (http://www.tri-cityherald.com/1395/story/878899.html)
http://www.rgj.com/article/20100210/NEWS01/100210022/Reno-man-arrested--accused-of-robbery-hours-after-being-released-from-jail
http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-02-16/bay-area/17231133_1_bank-robber-bank-teller-surveillance-photo
Here's a story about a man who co founded 5 prison ministries, he served 2 years for bank robberies
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-09-23-robber-redemption_N.htm
http://www.insidesocal.com/crime&courts/2010/02/way-back-in-i.html[/url]


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 20, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/news/wanted/05-02816.pdf
I think this guy could be amber's abductor...
there was no vehicle seen and he has robbed like 5 gas stations or banks...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: chi-monkey on February 23, 2010, 03:52:14 PM
WHAT WE KNOW (or at least Agree on)

She was abducted (not a runaway)
It was early morning
Perp is a male (maybe two)
A vehicle was used
No clues left behind (meaning clean not sloppy )
Crime was sexually motivated
cell phone was turned on long enough to get a tower ping

WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW

Remote location (where he took her)?
Perps identity?
Was Saturday cell phone ping on his way out of city or back into the city?
Kind of Vehicle used?  How far traveled?

                                      Anyone got anything else to add to the list?




Three days of quiet here is more than I can stand.  How about some more discussion? 

ArmChairAnalysist, thanks for your summary above.  I have a few thoughts to add.   What we think and what we know are very different.     I think you are right, but I don't know that you are.   Maybe you could convince me? 

1.  Amber was abducted.     Well, I think so, but with no evidence except that she is gone, I cannot know that she was, unless by abducted we mean taken from the scene.  Then I agree.   There are more possibilities than just abducted or runaway.  How about considering accidents or murder with body hidden? 

2.  It was early morning.   Probably was. 

3.  Perp(s) is male.  Probably was, statistically speaking. 

4.  A vehicle was used.   Maybe, probably, but with all day available, couldn't she could have been buried right in the neighborhood without being moved in a vehicle.  (aside) Did cadaver dogs go over the undeveloped land behind the home where she lived? 

5.  No clues left behind.  We don't really know where the crime occurred so we cannot know if anything was left behind. 

6.  Crime was sexually motivated.   Probably, but no evidence either way.  Like what if she stumbled on a drug deal on her way to school  and was "removed" to prevent her telling.   Was hit by a car by a neighbor backing out of their drive?

7.  Cell phone pinged.   Yes.

-------------
ACA - I do agree with much of what you said, and appreciate your effort.   Our problem is that there is simply no evidence to build on except that she is gone and the cell pinged.   

Personally, I would like to check the neighbors, who has youngish man living with them.  Who has vacation cabins and where?   Hopefully the PIs and LE know.   

Again, thanks. 

Chi-M
 :salut:





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 23, 2010, 06:23:43 PM
Chi-M

Sorry about the three day delay. I had to sew an apron, do some accounting for my client and restock the pantry. I'm glad I took a break though, because it helps to clear the mind.

In answer to # 1.  We know from family that she was not a runaway. If she did she is bright enough after a year to figure out a way to get a message to her parents. She reads a lot, she easily could have gone to the library and slipped a note in a book. Phoned her parents to tell them to stop waisting their money she's happy a will not come home. If there was an accident (someone hit her with their car). That person then has a dead body to dispose of and their would be a blood trail left behind. Broken glass from a head light perhaps. The best possible scenario is that she was abducted with sexual intent. Now they could have accidentally killed her.

#2. It was early morning, because she was not at school and did not answer any calls from friends. She was a child that was obsessed with perfect attendance. I don't think she woke up that morning and decided to skip school. I remember how upset my own daughter was when she no longer had a perfect attendance.

#3 Perp is a male 90% chance of it being a male tells me that it was a male. I don't believe it was two female students because by now they would have bragged to someone about what they got away with. A teen who did something that bad would be pounding their chest.

#4 A vehicle was used. You can't get far on foot. I'd rule out sallow grave in the neighborhood. If he is going to take the time to bury the body, he's going to do it in a remote location. Especially if he want to return to the location and relive the incident over and over again.

#5. Leaving no clues behind especially from the abduction site would tell me he has done this before. It was well thought out, he knew he was going to do this before he did it.

#6. Crime was sexually motivated. Again 90% probability. If she stumbled upon a drug deal she would not have been the only one. and again kids talk. Junkies need money and there is reward money.

#7. Cell phone pinged. We know it pinged we don't know if it was in the hands of the perp or someone who picked it up. I'm guessing that if someone picked up a phone they would have called police and given them the location of the phone in hopes of some reward money.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 23, 2010, 06:26:36 PM
Also the reason the perp or perps hung around till Saturday could be a payroll issue. Some Companies pay their employees on the 1st and the 15th. If there were two or even one, he may have been in the area to get his paycheck.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 23, 2010, 06:51:00 PM
Did they say if they ever took down the serial number of the IPOD, you can track the Itunes purchased on Apple, if you report the IPOD stolen, and the person who has it can't pawn it off because the pawn shop will have a list of items with their serial numbers that show what is stolen. If the person who took her Ipod stole it for financial gain he can download music from it and the Itunes he downloads will have a serial number of the ipod attached to it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 23, 2010, 08:21:21 PM
Did they say if they ever took down the serial number of the IPOD, you can track the Itunes purchased on Apple, if you report the IPOD stolen, and the person who has it can't pawn it off because the pawn shop will have a list of items with their serial numbers that show what is stolen. If the person who took her Ipod stole it for financial gain he can download music from it and the Itunes he downloads will have a serial number of the ipod attached to it.

hmm hadn't thought about that. Good thinking.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: AmbersMom on February 24, 2010, 03:38:47 AM
Did they say if they ever took down the serial number of the IPOD, you can track the Itunes purchased on Apple, if you report the IPOD stolen, and the person who has it can't pawn it off because the pawn shop will have a list of items with their serial numbers that show what is stolen. If the person who took her Ipod stole it for financial gain he can download music from it and the Itunes he downloads will have a serial number of the ipod attached to it.

hmm hadn't thought about that. Good thinking.

Hi Everyone sorry it's been awhile since I have written.
Yes early on I informed LE about her Ipod and I tunes, Apple was very nice and if anyone tries to use her ipod they will notify LE, as of today no activity.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 24, 2010, 09:13:21 PM
Welcome Amber's mom,

I am so sorry that a whole year has gone by and Amber is still not at home with her family. We here on this thread are trying every day to come up with theories and new developments as to where she might be. Let's hope she comes home to her family this year.

We will keep looking.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 25, 2010, 07:43:05 PM
I was looking for any new news on Amber and came across information about Mickey Guidry who has been missing in San Diego Co. since November 27, 2009.  He's listed as an "endangered runaway". I haven't had much time to look much more as far as details and location but reading this article in East County Magazine http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2826

Mickey enjoyed Future Farmers of America (FFA)   ::MonkeyEek::
(Snipped from above)

Maybe FFA is popular in SD County?  IDK. I live in the middle of nowhere in OH and I've never heard much about it.

Here's his NCMC poster: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1137889&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

I will start a thread if there isn't one already when I get a chance, I'm having company for the weekend so lots to do...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 25, 2010, 10:12:05 PM
I was looking for any new news on Amber and came across information about Mickey Guidry who has been missing in San Diego Co. since November 27, 2009.  He's listed as an "endangered runaway". I haven't had much time to look much more as far as details and location but reading this article in East County Magazine http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2826

Mickey enjoyed Future Farmers of America (FFA)   ::MonkeyEek::
(Snipped from above)

Maybe FFA is popular in SD County?  IDK. I live in the middle of nowhere in OH and I've never heard much about it.

Here's his NCMC poster: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1137889&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

I will start a thread if there isn't one already when I get a chance, I'm having company for the weekend so lots to do...

That is something I would like to know more about. Sounds like FFA is like the Cedu School..http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/yuen_daniel.html  not to make FFA a bad name but maybe there is somebody in the FFA that is stalking it's "future farmers"..FFA is a popular, "national organization" in a lot of schools as a youth activity... kind of like a DARE program but just another way for teens and youth to get involved in something good for their resume or record. FFA is in almost every state, I looked at their website and they have officers and a team and they go travelling around to different countries and/or states, and it looks like a regular student program to meet different cultures and people, I don't find it interesting since I am not a social person. Maybe Amber wanted to go travelling around the world like them, and had the opportunity, I wonder if the FFA has anything to do with her disappearance..I wonder if they are cooperating..this could be a new lead..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 25, 2010, 10:28:57 PM
Perris PD caught someone trying to pawn off a stolen iPhone belonging to a foreign exchange student in San Diego. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/per10-0208-2.htm His name is Adrian Ochoa (32 years old) of Perris.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sweet_Justice on February 26, 2010, 08:55:07 AM
Hi Monkeys! Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I live in the San Diego area and just wanted to make you all aware of a new missing girl. Hopefully she is found alive and well very soon. Not sure if it is going to be found to be connected to Amber's disappearance, but thought I would post it anyway.

She is 17 and was jogging in a local park here. When she did not come home her parents called police. Our local news is reporting her car was found in the parking lot locked with her wallet and cell phone inside. She's described as a straight A student. She's a long distance runner and is said to know the trail she was running very well. A search has been going on all night...so far no new leads reported.

I hope and pray this will end well but something in my gut doesn't feel right. By all accounts she is a responsible girl. I don't think this is a runaway situation. Hopefully she is just injured or lost on the trail and the search team will be able to locate her.

She is around the same age as Amber and was alone walking, as was Amber. Also Rancho Bernardo and Escondido are very near to one another. In fact the lake she was jogging by, Lake Hodges almost divides the two. There is the Escondido side of the lake and the Rancho Bernardo side.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/0ac99cb2-22b6-11df-b40c-001cc4c03286.html

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=12048619


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sweet_Justice on February 26, 2010, 09:05:44 AM
I can't believe I forgot to post her name. So sorry. I was trying to get all the info out and forgot one of the most important things. The missing girl's name is Chelsea King.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 26, 2010, 10:11:39 AM
I started a thread for Chelsea here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1082924#msg1082924

RE: the FFA, I do know what it is but am surprised that it's popular in CA.  Now that I've slept on it, IIRC Amber was in 4-H not FFA? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 26, 2010, 02:17:16 PM
I started a thread for Chelsea here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1082924#msg1082924

RE: the FFA, I do know what it is but am surprised that it's popular in CA.  Now that I've slept on it, IIRC Amber was in 4-H not FFA? 

I think it was FFA not 4 H. I think in certain area's it is more popular then others.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 26, 2010, 05:14:46 PM
I started a thread for Chelsea here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1082924#msg1082924

RE: the FFA, I do know what it is but am surprised that it's popular in CA.  Now that I've slept on it, IIRC Amber was in 4-H not FFA? 

I think it was FFA not 4 H. I think in certain area's it is more popular then others.
It was FFA

Snipped from: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/22/amber.dubois/index.html
Her first passion was animals, a lifelong devotion that began with her first horse, Rojo, and led to her joining the FFA when she entered high school.

Edward always keeps coming back to the farm, hmmmm.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 26, 2010, 07:01:27 PM
Forgive me, I forgot my manners!  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Welcome to Scared Monkeys, Sweet_Justice  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

WE are glad that you are here!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 26, 2010, 07:01:54 PM
If this girl is tied to Amber, the connection would have to be the month of November. Maybe this guy takes his vacation in the month of November.

I did do a drive by on my way home from a clients today. You can't get close to the park the police are searching the area first. I did go on the Escondido side into a neighborhood that has houses with backyard views of the lake. I saw two orange or red boats searching the water. I also saw a bunch of boarder patrol with All terrain Vehicles on the Escondido side of the lake.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 26, 2010, 09:05:24 PM
If this girl is tied to Amber, the connection would have to be the month of November. Maybe this guy takes his vacation in the month of November.

I did do a drive by on my way home from a clients today. You can't get close to the park the police are searching the area first. I did go on the Escondido side into a neighborhood that has houses with backyard views of the lake. I saw two orange or red boats searching the water. I also saw a bunch of boarder patrol with All terrain Vehicles on the Escondido side of the lake.

November 2009 is when Mickey Guidry disappeared....
I was looking for any new news on Amber and came across information about Mickey Guidry who has been missing in San Diego Co. since November 27, 2009.  He's listed as an "endangered runaway". I haven't had much time to look much more as far as details and location but reading this article in East County Magazine http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2826

Mickey enjoyed Future Farmers of America (FFA)   ::MonkeyEek::
(Snipped from above)

Maybe FFA is popular in SD County?  IDK. I live in the middle of nowhere in OH and I've never heard much about it.

Here's his NCMC poster: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1137889&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

I will start a thread if there isn't one already when I get a chance, I'm having company for the weekend so lots to do...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 26, 2010, 10:05:35 PM
If this girl is tied to Amber, the connection would have to be the month of November. Maybe this guy takes his vacation in the month of November.

I did do a drive by on my way home from a clients today. You can't get close to the park the police are searching the area first. I did go on the Escondido side into a neighborhood that has houses with backyard views of the lake. I saw two orange or red boats searching the water. I also saw a bunch of boarder patrol with All terrain Vehicles on the Escondido side of the lake.

November 2009 is when Mickey Guidry disappeared....
I was looking for any new news on Amber and came across information about Mickey Guidry who has been missing in San Diego Co. since November 27, 2009.  He's listed as an "endangered runaway". I haven't had much time to look much more as far as details and location but reading this article in East County Magazine http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2826

Mickey enjoyed Future Farmers of America (FFA)   ::MonkeyEek::
(Snipped from above)

Maybe FFA is popular in SD County?  IDK. I live in the middle of nowhere in OH and I've never heard much about it.

Here's his NCMC poster: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1137889&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

I will start a thread if there isn't one already when I get a chance, I'm having company for the weekend so lots to do...


Future Farmers of America is popular in areas in my state of Texas.  I have a niece that is currently raising a hog.  She gets up early before school to be at the barn to feed and care for him, and is there after school and on weekends. Here is the website for FFA.  If you read at the site, you can see more about it, including their mission statement (in pdf. format)  etc.  My son was not a member of FFA, but attended a high school that had an active FFA, and agriculture classes.

http://www.ffa.org/

Quick Facts

Organization Name: The National FFA Organization

Year Founded: 1928

Number of Chapters: 7,429 in all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands

2008 FFA Membership: 506,199

Largest Annual Event: The National FFA Convention

2009 National FFA Convention Attendance: 53,473


What is FFA?

FFA is a dynamic youth organization that is a part of agricultural education programs at middle and high schools. Today, student members are engaged in a wide range of curriculum and FFA activities, leading to over 300 career opportunities in agriculture.

FFA is structured on three levels: local, state and national. At the national level, FFA is led by a board of directors and six student national officers.

National FFA Federal Charter and Public Law

USDE


The National FFA Organization operates under a Federal Charter granted by the 81st Congress of the United States, and is an integral part of public instruction in agriculture.  The U.S. Department of Education provides leadership and helps set direction for the FFA as a service to state and local agricultural education programs.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 26, 2010, 11:51:12 PM
I am hopping back and forth between this thread and the Chelsea king. There are similarities I see and would like to know if anyone else does. Both girls have reddish hair, Amber has Aubern and chelsea has strawberry blond, both have blue eyes, white skin, both are high school students and within the same age, both went missing in the month of Feb. Poway High and Esconidido high are not that far apart and seem to be off the 15 freeway. Lake Hodges seems to be in the middle of both high schools. Any thoughts???? Was this are searched for signs of Amber?
They found a shoe today, maybe if it is not Chelsea's, Carrie should get a look at it to rule out it is not Ambers


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sweet_Justice on February 27, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
I am hopping back and forth between this thread and the Chelsea king. There are similarities I see and would like to know if anyone else does. Both girls have reddish hair, Amber has Aubern and chelsea has strawberry blond, both have blue eyes, white skin, both are high school students and within the same age, both went missing in the month of Feb. Poway High and Esconidido high are not that far apart and seem to be off the 15 freeway. Lake Hodges seems to be in the middle of both high schools. Any thoughts???? Was this are searched for signs of Amber?
They found a shoe today, maybe if it is not Chelsea's, Carrie should get a look at it to rule out it is not Ambers

With the little we know of each case it's hard to tell. I do agree that there are some similarities. The ones that stick out most to me are the age of both girls and the fact that both were walking/jogging alone. The location and the month of February also sounds off alarms bells in my head. North Escondido and the park where Chelsea went missing are not that far apart. I've driven the distance many times throughout my life. If the two cases are connected there's no doubt in my mind the suspect lives in the area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 27, 2010, 12:41:02 AM
I read somewhere that Chelsea plays the French Horn in the Symphonic Orchestra, does anyone remember if Amber plays any instruments in any kind of organization or has private lessons?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 01:42:23 AM
I read somewhere that Chelsea plays the French Horn in the Symphonic Orchestra, does anyone remember if Amber plays any instruments in any kind of organization or has private lessons?

I don't know about that, hopefully someone else does. I read Chelsea is a peer counselor and also did some kind of tutoring. did Amber know anyone in the Poway area? Did she have any friends that had connections to this area? Does Carrie, moe or Dave have any connection to the Poway area?
I posted this on the other thread but what I find a little odd is Carrie and Chelsea's mother look similar, the same type of look down to a similar hair color. Don't know if it means anything but you never know I suppose.
Carrie if you are reading this please make sure your investigators are communicating with the Poway investigators. There are similarities between the two girls. I read they found a shoe and was taking it to Chelsea's parents, if it is not hers maybe you can ask to see it too, just a suggestion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on February 27, 2010, 02:05:18 AM

Amber in Escondido, the attempted abduction in Rancho Santa Fe a few days ago, and Chelsea missing in Rancho Bernardo yesterday. Look at the map.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Go South on the 15 from Escondido and the first community you come to is Ranch Bernardo. Head out Del Dios Hwy from Escondido and the first community you come to is Rancho Santa Fe.

It is not safe to go out alone in broad daylight for a walk to school or around the corner for that matter, or a jog or walk through a park. That is the reality.

                               
                               


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 02:10:30 AM
Shell is this the attempt you are referring to?

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rancho-Santa-Fe-Child-Abduction-Attempts/QteQtNy6GUWiXBlQuhMIEA.cspx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on February 27, 2010, 02:14:57 AM
Shell is this the attempt you are referring to?

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rancho-Santa-Fe-Child-Abduction-Attempts/QteQtNy6GUWiXBlQuhMIEA.cspx

Yes it is. I realize the attempts were not teenagers, but the fact that is is close to Escondido, and February...makes me wonder.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 02:24:12 AM
One thing I know is we don't know what these freaks think. I have read that the preference can change and alter after time. Who knows, with it being close by it could be related.

I am off to bed, I pray there is good news tomorrow and this girl is found safe and sound.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 27, 2010, 04:58:33 PM
The park is supposed to be a safe plan to jog, walk your dog, as opposed to doing so on the sidewalk on the streets where you can be targeted easily, now you can't even do that because of the kind of people who go there where they aren't supposed to. Hopefully they will find her foot prints before the rain washes it away.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 28, 2010, 12:20:10 AM
I read somewhere that Chelsea plays the French Horn in the Symphonic Orchestra, does anyone remember if Amber plays any instruments in any kind of organization or has private lessons?

I don't know about that, hopefully someone else does. I read Chelsea is a peer counselor and also did some kind of tutoring. did Amber know anyone in the Poway area? Did she have any friends that had connections to this area? Does Carrie, moe or Dave have any connection to the Poway area?
I posted this on the other thread but what I find a little odd is Carrie and Chelsea's mother look similar, the same type of look down to a similar hair color. Don't know if it means anything but you never know I suppose.
Carrie if you are reading this please make sure your investigators are communicating with the Poway investigators. There are similarities between the two girls. I read they found a shoe and was taking it to Chelsea's parents, if it is not hers maybe you can ask to see it too, just a suggestion.

You could be on to something Tracy, maybe Amber's mom dated someone in high school that maybe Chelsea's mom dated in high school, maybe its an ex-boyfriend, or somebody who had a "crush" on both mothers, and he was nonetheless turned down by both of them and to make a comeback, he takes revenge on their daughters.. who knows.. sounds like a scary movie, I guess I shouldn't go there but someone has to.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 11:28:39 AM
I was looking for any new news on Amber and came across information about Mickey Guidry who has been missing in San Diego Co. since November 27, 2009.  He's listed as an "endangered runaway". I haven't had much time to look much more as far as details and location but reading this article in East County Magazine http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2826

Mickey enjoyed Future Farmers of America (FFA)   ::MonkeyEek::
(Snipped from above)

Maybe FFA is popular in SD County?  IDK. I live in the middle of nowhere in OH and I've never heard much about it.

Here's his NCMC poster: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1137889&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

I will start a thread if there isn't one already when I get a chance, I'm having company for the weekend so lots to do...
I started a thread for Mickey here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7255.msg1084240#msg1084240


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 12:26:03 PM
Similar looks of mothers.. Auburn hair fair skin.. Similar looks and size of girls.. small

Similar as both families had been living in the area for a short period of time.. Amber was only in Escondido for 1 1/2 years.
She went to 8th grade and then entered high school.

Amber was a loner but had acquired a couple of good friends..

Not similar is this One girl athletic and One Girl Not.
Amber was an avid reader.


Carrie has been at our border 2 times this week checking on sightings that people call in of a possible live Amber.
So far nothing has checked out but I am always amazed at how far and where Carrie is willing to go to find Amber and the devil himself had better be on Notice, as she is Not a mom to be messed with.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 28, 2010, 01:08:54 PM
Similarities between the two cases

Both girls in High school

Both girls have the same bangs style

Both abduction in November (one year apart)

Both Abduction Location sites have senior facilities next door or across the street.


Have they checked to see if there is a  person has worked at both places. A male caregiver I think would be used in cases where the patient has to be lifted?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
Both Abduction Location sites have senior facilities next door or across the street. ????

names and addresses please  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 01:34:08 PM
Similarities between the two cases

Both girls in High school

Both girls have the same bangs style

Both abduction in November (one year apart)

Both Abduction Location sites have senior facilities next door or across the street.

Have they checked to see if there is a  person has worked at both places. A male caregiver I think would be used in cases where the patient has to be lifted?

Good catch, you are right. another simularity is each girl went missing during a normal everyday routine.

Edward I am not sure if personality traits would play into an abduction that would be assumed to have a sexual motivation. I would think it would be more based on physical qualities (?), (for lack of a better word) 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 01:55:03 PM
I think this is the senior center near the park
Rancho Bernardo Joslyn SeniorAddress:‎
18402 West Bernardo Drive
San Diego, CA 92127-3018
(858) 487-9324

Near the school where Amber went missing there are 5 senior centers (that are listed on google maps) just south of the school. I thought there were senior apartments on Broadway by Vista but it is not listed on the map. ArmChair are they senior apartments?

 Escondido Senior Housing & Health Care - Las Villas del Norte‎
1325 Las Villas Way, Escondido, CA‎ - (760) 741-1047‎

Silverado Senior Living - Escondido‎- more info »
1500 Borden Road, Escondido, CA‎ - (760) 670-4769‎

Garden Park Villas‎- more info »
1342 North Escondido Boulevard, Escondido, CA‎ - (760) 480-8155‎

Fountainglen-Terrace Garden‎- more info »
1025 Morning View Drive, Escondido, CA‎ - (760) 480-2460‎

Escondido Silvercrest Senior Residence‎- more info »
1303 Las Villas Way, Escondido, CA‎ - (760) 741-4106‎


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
Sorry here is the senior apartment just south of Vista on Broadway. Amber walked by this everyday to and from school.

River Village Apartments‎- more info »
1845 North Broadway, Escondido, CA‎ - (760) 746-5214‎


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 02:04:03 PM
This is a senior apartment complex on the other side of the park. I think this one is by the enterence to the park?

Casa De Las Campanas‎- more info »
18655 West Bernardo Drive, San Diego, CA‎ - (858) 451-9152‎


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 28, 2010, 02:48:53 PM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/breaking-sports-bra-found-may-belong-to-chelsea-king/

could be any body's sports bra..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 28, 2010, 02:52:34 PM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/breaking-sports-bra-found-may-belong-to-chelsea-king/

could be any body's sports bra..

There's more, they found a sports bra, panties, and one shoe. The person providing this information is part of the search team with Tim Miller. Here is the primary link for this information. http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/ca-search-day-1-chelsea-king-im-live-on-the-scene/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 28, 2010, 03:02:57 PM
Nobody posted this article up so I guess I should.  http://www.sdsheriff.net/opencases/vista314.pdf


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 28, 2010, 03:09:18 PM
Nobody posted this article up so I guess I should.  http://www.sdsheriff.net/opencases/vista314.pdf

Seek Public’s Help to Identify Suspect Responsible for Indecent Exposure
Release Date: July 8, 2009
San Diego County Crime Stoppers, working with San Diego County Sheriff’s Department Vista detectives, is seeking the public’s assistance to identify and locate the suspect responsible for exposing himself to three young girls. Detectives are also asking anyone who has been a victim of a similar crime to please call Detective Lisa Jenkins at the Vista Sheriff’s Station.
On July 01, 2009 three girls, ages 12-14, were walking in the area of Phillips Street and Valley View Place in Vista when a man in a grey truck stopped in the middle of the road next to them. The driver (suspect) opened the truck’s door, put one foot out and looked directly at the girls while he masturbated. The girls ran to a nearby residence to get help and report the incident.
The suspect is described as a White male adult between 30-45 years old. His had no facial hair but had wrinkle lines on his forehead. He also is described as having “fluffy” hair with some grey in it.
*** A composite sketch of the suspect is on page 2 of this release***
The suspect’s vehicle is described as a Toyota or Nissan 2-door pickup truck without an extra cab. It is either grey or faded black in color. The truck also had very large V shaped stripes, stacked on top of each other, on the entire length of the driver’s side door.
Anyone with information on the identity or location of the suspect(s) is asked to call the Crime Stoppers anonymous tip line at (888) 580-8477. You can also send anonymous email or text messages to Crime Stoppers by visiting the following link http://www.sdcrimestoppers.com/.
Media inquiries should be directed to:

Questions regarding this case should be directed to Vista Detective Lisa Jenkins at (760) 940-4907.

Questions regarding Crime Stoppers should be directed to Deputy Adriana Uribe at (619) 531-1547 or Officer Jim Johnson at (619) 531-1500.
For information leading to an arrest, you could receive up to a $1,000 reward and remain anonymous. The qualification of any person(s) for the reward and the amount of the reward for any person(s) so qualifying will be determined by San Diego County Crime Stoppers, Inc, in its sole discretion. The amount of all rewards given shall not exceed $1,000. Information must be received on the tip line, (888) 580-TIPS.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 28, 2010, 04:02:28 PM
Going back to my post about my first day as a gum shoe. The River village Apartments are senior as well as the Quail creek Apartments. Both are next to Escondido High School. Then we have the WWW.meadowbrookvillage.org a retirement community for Christian seniors. This is an Assisted living nursing facility very high end.

I also thought about Mortuaries. Seniors die and Transport specialist pick up bodies. There are two Mortuaries in Escondido. California Funeral Alternative on 1020 E. Pennsylvania Ave is a Poway/Escondido Mortuary. Something to note: they are closed on Saturday and Sunday. What better place to hide a body then a closed Mortuary. Easy disposal when finished.

Sorry to sound so morbid, but better to search now then wait till it's to late.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 28, 2010, 04:35:31 PM
does anyone think this is him, btw, merrill oliver tracy has moved out according to familywatchdog.us.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:38:14 PM
A suspect has been arrested in the case of missing teen Chelsea King, according to investigators.

John Gardner was arrested outside a restaurant in Escondido around 4.30 p.m. Gardner is a registered sex offender on the Megan’s law website.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:41:07 PM
John Gardner

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18601061E8554


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:44:24 PM
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:55:30 PM
I called Carrie already.. and yes he needs to be looked at..
IF He had something belonging to Chelsea then his pattern may turn true and he holds something that belongs to Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 10:57:39 PM
I called Carrie already.. and yes he needs to be looked at..
IF He had something belonging to Chelsea then his pattern may turn true and he holds something that belongs to Amber.
I so agree Edward, the proximity to Escondido and many other factors.  He could have easily been on Vista that Feb morning.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 11:06:50 PM
John Gardner

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18601061E8554
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JohnGardner.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:56:42 PM
We are not positive that this is his work..But he was arrested in escondido and one of our members thinks that the arrest may have happened at this resturant.

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4TSHB_enUS311US311&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=hernandez+hideaway+restaurant&fb=1&gl=us&hq=hernandez+hideaway+restaurant&hnear=United+States&cid=16526525316989197777


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 01, 2010, 12:04:09 AM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/

BREAKING: ARREST IN THE CHELSEA KING CASE. IS SUSPECT WANTED IN AMBER DUBOIS CASE???


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 12:05:34 AM
restaurant info.. Looks nice.

do not bring the photo over.. just for reference.. I am sure they have a quality restaurant.

http://www.sdmcriders.org/EatsDetail.asp?EatsID=17


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:07:29 AM
Wow! I am just about needing a paper bag to breath in.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:08:50 AM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/

BREAKING: ARREST IN THE CHELSEA KING CASE. IS SUSPECT WANTED IN AMBER DUBOIS CASE???
February 28, 2010 by Steph
30 year old John Albert Gardner, who lives in a home with his mother on the edge of the park that Chelsea King disappeared, has been arrested in connection with her disappearance.


Now, police are looking at Gardner in the disappearance of Amber Dubois, last seen February 13, 2009. She lives just across the lake in Escondido, CA. Apparently, Gardner has a home in Escondido


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:14:26 AM
From a post Edward made, you can find it in the last thread on page 81, sorry I can't figure out how to link....Please notice he has an address listed about 5 min away from Escondido High

Sex offender list in Escondido..
I do not know how accurate it is..

ANAYA,PHILIMON
1268 N BROADWAY # A ,Escondido,CA 92026

ARENA,JOSEPH
344 W 6TH AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

AVERY,RICHARD LAWRENCE
1729 SUMMIT DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

BENITEZ,JUAN MILAN
1422 N ASH ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

BERRY,NED ANDREW
2035 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 103 ,Escondido,CA 92025

BROWN,RONALD CORNWELL
3252 BEVEN DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

BROWN,STEVEN MARK
2040 MARK AVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

BURGESS,MICHAEL LITZSINGER
2733 CAMERON PL ,Escondido,CA 92027

BUSSE,JASON PAUL
1670 E EL NORTE # 15 ,Escondido,CA 92027

BUTLER,JOHN PATRICK
900 HOWARD AVE # 30 ,Escondido,CA 92029

CALLAN,MARK STEVEN
1320 TAFT ST ,Escondido,CA 92026

CANNON,JAMES REUBEN
1184 N ESCONDIDO BLVD # A ,Escondido,CA 92026

CARDIEL,JOSE LUIS
1213 REMBRANT GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92026

CARO,JOHN
1750 W CITRACADO PKWY # 104 ,Escondido,CA 92029

CHRISTMAN,ROBERT B
596 MONTVIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92025

CHU,KEN
456 SWANSEA GL ,Escondido,CA 92027

CRISOSTOMO,MICHAEL A
1748 ACORN ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

CRUZ,RUBIN
322 VISTA AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

CUSTER,CALVIN C
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 12A ,Escondido,CA 92026

DAILEY,CHARLES STANTON
2650 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 210 ,Escondido,CA 92025

DAVIES,BRAD FRANKLIN
24840 LAKE WOHLFORD CT ,Escondido,CA 92027

DOLL,COLEMAN BERNARD
1051 W EL NORTE PKWY # 153 ,Escondido,CA 92026

ELKINS,BERNARD FISHER
9 LARRY LANE ,Escondido,CA 92025

ERICKSON,DOUGLASS SCOTT
3055 PECAN PL # 5 ,Escondido,CA 92027

FENDER,STEVEN A
849 MILLS ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

FERDMAN,ERIK MICAH
453 CORNWALL GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

FERNANDEZ,ANTIONIO
1454 E WASHINGTON ,Escondido,CA 92027

FORCIER,JAMES DAVID
2426 HARMONY GROVE RD ,Escondido,CA 92029

FRAZEE,WILLIAM CLARENCE
30012 HWY 395 SP-117 ,Escondido,CA 92026

GARCIA,RUDY
1822 LORETO GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026

GASPER,DARRIN MICHAEL
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

GONZALEZ,GUSTAVO GONZALEZ
20702 ELFIN FOREST ROAD ,Escondido,CA 92029

GONZALEZ,WILLIAM MORENO
837 E LINCOLN AVENUE ,Escondido,CA 92026

GRANET,ANTHONY JOHNIII
2460 BEAR VALLEY PKWY # 130 ,Escondido,CA 92027

GRISSOM,DANNY LEON
1140 HARDING ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

HAYDEN,LOREN
1345 MORNING VIEW DR # 146 ,Escondido,CA 92026

HOBBS,TROY L
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

HOLM,FRANCIS ERIC
1555 HIGHGROVE DRIVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

HORTON,SIDNEY LYNN
119 W 5TH AVE # 3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

INMAN,STEVEN CARL
904 E 3RD AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

JACQUEMART,JOHN PIPER
301 W VERMONT # 116 ,Escondido,CA 92025

JACQUES,LIONEL PHILLIP
1030 E WASHINGTON AVE # 115 ,Escondido,CA 92025

JEORGESON,RICHARD ALAN
1059 E VALLEY PKWY # C ,Escondido,CA 92025

JOHNSON,JAMES RICHARD
25464 LAKE WOHLFORD RD # LW300 ,Escondido,CA 92027

JONES,RICHARD WARREN
1934 KENORA DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

JUAREZ,RICARDO
525 W EL NORTE PKWY # 269 ,Escondido,CA 92026

KEYES,GRAHAM L
613 W 10TH AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

KITTLE,ARNOLD EARL
530 N MIDWAY DR # 26 ,Escondido,CA 92027

LEECH,TIMOTHY WILBUR
27038 N. BROADWAY ,Escondido,CA 92026

LEGG,MICHAEL ALAN
1335 BROADWAY PL ,Escondido,CA 92025

LONG,ROY HENDRIX
360 S HICKORY # 5 ,Escondido,CA 92025

LOPEZ,JOSE AMBROSIO
211 N CITRUS # 26 ,Escondido,CA 92027

LOPEZ,MANUEL A
1228 HOOVER ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

MAHONEY,MICHAEL MELVIN
2094 E. GRAND AVE # 40 ,Escondido,CA 92027

MATCHETT,MATTHEW WILLIAM
1468 LA HONDA ,Escondido,CA 92027

MCGHEE,DANIEL RIDGE
145 W FELICITA AVE #3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

MELANSON,BOBBY RAY
636 FOY LANE ,Escondido,CA 92025

MIDDLETON,ROBERT JAMES
1070 E WASHINGTON AVE # 29 ,Escondido,CA 92025

MILLER,JADIR ALEXNADER
722 PARK PL ,Escondido,CA 92025

MINER,CLEMENT EUGENE
1643 E GRAND AVE # D ,Escondido,CA 92027

MOELLMAN,DANIEL MICHAEL
1375 N BROADWAY # A5 ,Escondido,CA 92026

MONTOYA,VALENTINE
1260 N ROSE ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

MORRIS,JOHN K
1001 S HALE # 102 ,Escondido,CA 92029

MUNOZ,GILLBERTO HERNANDEZ
1596 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 8 ,Escondido,CA 92025

NEEDHAM,MATTHEW WALLACE
2550 E VALLEY PKWY # 45 ,Escondido,CA 92027

OLIVAS,TRACEY
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 22 ,Escondido,CA 92026

ORTEGA,JOHN
1070 E WASHINGTON # 1 ,Escondido,CA 92025

PAGE,KARL ROMANUS
1281 AVOCADO AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

PALMORE,JAMES
357 LANSING CIRCLE # D ,Escondido,CA 92025

PARKER,RODNEY A
834 GOLDENROD ,Escondido,CA 92027

PATTERSON,GLEN ALAN
1600 W 9TH AVE # 6B ,Escondido,CA 92029

POTTER,SCOTT WAYNE
123 FARLAND PL ,Escondido,CA 92027

PRINCE,ROLAND MARK
326 E FELICITA AVE # 12 ,Escondido,CA 92025

QUINN,RICHARD TAYLOR
704 S MAPLE ST ,Escondido,CA 92025

RAMIREZ,DAVID PAUL
23649 OLD WAGON RD ,Escondido,CA 92027

RANGEL,FERNANDO
713 N CITRUS AVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

ROACH,JOHN JOSEPH
755 CHESTNUT ST ,Escondido,CA 92025

RODIRIGUEZ,RUBEN
1343 MORNING VIEW DR # 308 ,Escondido,CA 92026

RODRIGUEZ,JOHN GALINDO
421 E MISSION # 408 ,Escondido,CA 92025

SHOVER,ROBERT PAUL
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

SNOW,DAVID K
730 MONTVIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92025

SOMERA,JAMIE TODD
935 E WASHINGTON AVE 3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

STANLEY,WILLIAM
8310 NELSON WAY MAINT #2 ,Escondido,CA 92026

STAPLES,RHONDA SUE
530 N MIDWAY DR # 27 ,Escondido,CA 92027

STEINER,HARLAN RUSSELL
506 SMOKETREE GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92026

STUBER,JOSEPH ANDREW
2149 MOUNTAIN VIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

SUSSMANN,ANDREW ROBERT
432 TERRACE AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

THOMPSON,DAVID LEE
201 SAN PASQUAL VALLEY RD # 201 ,Escondido,CA 92025

TODD,WILLIAM
1600 W 9TH AVE # A11 ,Escondido,CA 92029

TRACY,MERRILL OLIVER
30012 OLD HWY 395 # 82 ,Escondido,CA 92026

VAQUERA,GILBERT EDWARD
1892 LORETO GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

VILLALOBOS,EDGAR ULISES
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 30-E ,Escondido,CA 92026

XAYACHAK,KHAMPHONETHY
427 W 4TH AVE # K ,Escondido,CA 92025

YOUNGHUSBAND,RICHARD IRVING
421 E MISSION AVE # 305B ,Escondido,CA 92025

http://www.zirana.com/escondido/registered_sex_offenders_map.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:16:55 AM
Sorry should give credit also to Cartfly, she is the one that found this information and posted it on the Chelsea thread, not I.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 12:18:28 AM
A  pattern of behavior ..  repeated.

If So, sad that it was repeated.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 12:20:37 AM
John Gardner

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18601061E8554
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JohnGardner.jpg)


GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:25:22 AM
Edward how is Carrie holding up? You said you spoke to her.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:26:36 AM
A  pattern of behavior ..  repeated.

If So, sad that it was repeated.

Sad that it was allowed to be repeated!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 12:27:37 AM
I think she has already contacted police.. I told her the info and she was gone from the phone in a flash of white light..



Edward- In Amber's thread in July 2009, you posted sex offenders names in Escondido. This is a snip of your post, (I dont know how to transfer it over here) but notice the address is different than the one on his current meganslaw site for him.

<snip of Edward's post in July 09>

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026


Wow that is right by Ambers high school. It is like 5 min


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:56:23 AM
I think she has already contacted police.. I told her the info and she was gone from the phone in a flash of white light..



Edward- In Amber's thread in July 2009, you posted sex offenders names in Escondido. This is a snip of your post, (I dont know how to transfer it over here) but notice the address is different than the one on his current meganslaw site for him.

<snip of Edward's post in July 09>

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026


Wow that is right by Ambers high school. It is like 5 min

My prayers are with her tonight. I bet she is in living hell right now. How scared she must be.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 01:56:51 AM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/

BREAKING: ARREST IN THE CHELSEA KING CASE. IS SUSPECT WANTED IN AMBER DUBOIS CASE???


The news will hit these moms and dads hard tonight. Beautiful children gone.. It is beyond sad.. There can be no pain greater then the loss of a child. God help these families to cope..

They still have to find Chelsea, but they do have evidence .. So this will go to trial ... he will be convicted.
 What of Amber Dubois from the suspect. ? How will that happen ? what leverage to make him talk ?
Maybe the assault victim will help convict him.. but only of assault.

They need physical evidence linking him to Amber.


BUT The cell tower could make sense with this suspect.. LE should go to where he lives, maybe find THAT phone in his things..See if he kept anything that belongs to Amber.. necklace or rings.. possibly given to other girlfriends  or his mom..




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 10:16:42 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html

Sex Offender In King Case Might Be Linked To Dubois Case
Chelsea King Reported Missing Thursday; Search Continues

POSTED: 12:14 am PST February 26, 2010
UPDATED: 7:07 am PST March 1, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- A registered sex offender behind bars Monday in connection with the disappearance of a 17-year-old Poway High senior might be linked to at least two other incidents including the disappearance of Amber Dubois.

Chelsea King has been missing since Thursday, when she did not return home from a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, of Lake Elsinore, was taken into custody Sunday afternoon near a bar in Escondido, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said.

The arrest prompted Kelly and Brent King, the parents of Chelsea King, to release the following statement Sunday evening:

    "Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home. We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she’s back with us. She is an extraordinary daughter and also someone who is committed to her community. She has huge dreams and wants to change the world. Hundreds of people are working alongside us to make sure she has that chance, and we are deeply grateful. She and our entire family need your help now for Chelsea’s safe return. We thank law enforcement for pursuing all avenues to bring this situation to an expedient, positive outcome. We will be posting regular updates from our family on Facebook page: Chelsea King Search Center."

    Kelly & Brent King, and family

Physical evidence led authorities to Gardner, who was questioned by homicide detectives, Gore said. The evidence has not been described.

"This investigation is ongoing and specific criminal charges are still being determined," he said.

Gardner is a registered sex offender listed on the Megan's Law Web site, which indicates he lives in Lake Elsinore and committed lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14 years old. Gore said investigators searched Gardner's Lake Elsinore home and other addresses prior to arresting him.

One of those addresses searched was a townhouse on Matinal Road near West Bernardo Drive, where Gardner was staying with his parents. The townhouse is about a mile from the park where Chelsea likes to run.

Gore said there was "a strong possibility" Gardner may be connected to an attack on a female jogger at the same park on Dec. 27, The San Diego Union- Tribune reported.

He said authorities were also investigating whether Gardner was connected to the disappearance of Amber Dubois, who went missing while walking to Escondido High School just over a year ago. Dubois, who was 14 at the time, has not been found. Dubois' last known location near Escondido High School is just six minutes from where John Gardner lives.

The search for Chelsea was expected to expand Monday beyond the Rancho Bernardo park and nearby Lake Hodges, where search teams have been looking since she disappeared Thursday.

"There are several searches going on around the county," Gore said. "We are going to refocus some of our search efforts."

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, reported her missing Thursday evening when she did not come home from a run at the park. Brent King found her car in the parking lot at the park.

Hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement personnel have been searching for her since then. Several agencies pitched in, searching the Lake Hodges area by foot, air and boat.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on March 01, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
They are talking about this on Fox News this morning and talking about a possible link to Amber.  Prayers for the families.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 12:46:42 PM
Hi all,
I have been trying to back away from these cases because my family thinks I have become obsessed. With all that is going on right now it is impossible! I am not convinced AT ALL at this point that John Albert Gardner had anything to do with Amber. I guess maybe I have read too many books and watched too many shows and movies about this. I find it odd that if it were him, he would wait so long before his next attack. If he did take Amber, as far as we know based on everything that we have read, he did not try again until possibly December 2009. That would be 8 full months. I am thinking that maybe he had a recent break-up in the last few months which may have spurred him on to start attacking in December. I am praying that he was not involved with Amber. Please pray for Amber's family right now. Needless to say, they are going through *&*&^!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 02:30:50 PM
We don't know if there were any other victims or not. There are a lot of missing people in the riverside county area as well as the san diego area. Plus this man was registered at an address in Escondido, 5 min or so away from the high school when Amber went missing. It is too early to say one way or another if he had anything to do with Amber or not but I think it is the best lead in a long time.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 02:32:50 PM
Sex Offender In King Case Might Be Linked To Dubois Case
Chelsea King Reported Missing Thursday; Search Continues


SAN DIEGO -- A registered sex offender behind bars Monday on suspicion of murder and rape in connection with the disappearance last week of a 17-year-old Poway High senior might be linked to at least two other incidents including the disappearance of Amber Dubois.

Chelsea King has been missing since Thursday, when she did not return home from a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, of Lake Elsinore, was taken into custody Sunday afternoon near a restaurant bar in south Escondido, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said.

The arrest prompted Kelly and Brent King, the parents of Chelsea King, to release the following statement Sunday evening:

"Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home. We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she’s back with us. She is an extraordinary daughter and also someone who is committed to her community. She has huge dreams and wants to change the world. Hundreds of people are working alongside us to make sure she has that chance, and we are deeply grateful. She and our entire family need your help now for Chelsea’s safe return. We thank law enforcement for pursuing all avenues to bring this situation to an expedient, positive outcome. We will be posting regular updates from our family on Facebook page: Chelsea King Search Center."

Kelly & Brent King, and family

Physical evidence led authorities to Gardner, who was questioned by homicide detectives, Gore said. The evidence has not been described by law enforcement but Chelsea's mother told news stations Monday morning that her daughter's underwear was found in the Lake Hodges area.

According to the sheriff's Web site, Gardner was booked into San Diego Central Jail on suspicion of rape by force and first-degree murder. Nonetheless, Gore told Good Morning America that law enforcement and volunteers would search for Chelsea Monday, hoping to find her alive.

Paul Levikow, spokesman for the District Attorney's Office, said Gardner was scheduled to be arraigned in a downtown San Diego courtroom Wednesday afternoon.

Gardner is a registered sex offender listed on the Megan's Law Web site, which indicates he lives in Lake Elsinore and committed lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14 years old. Gore said investigators searched Gardner's Lake Elsinore home and other addresses prior to arresting him.

One of those addresses searched was a townhouse on Matinal Road near West Bernardo Drive, where Gardner was staying with his parents. The townhouse is about a mile from the park where Chelsea likes to run.

Gore said there was "a strong possibility" Gardner may be connected to an attack on a female jogger at the same park on Dec. 27, The San Diego Union- Tribune reported.

He said authorities were also investigating whether Gardner was connected to the disappearance of Amber Dubois, who was last seen walking to Escondido High School just over a year ago. Dubois, who was 14 at the time, has not been found. Dubois' last known location near Escondido High School is just six minutes from an address connected to John Gardner.
The search for Chelsea expanded Monday beyond the Rancho Bernardo park and nearby Lake Hodges, where search teams have been looking since she disappeared Thursday.

"There are several searches going on around the county," Gore said. "We are going to refocus some of our search efforts."

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, reported her missing Thursday evening when she did not come home from a run at the park. Brent King found her BMW, with her cell phone and iPod inside, in the park parking lot later that night.

Hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement personnel have been searching for her since then. Several agencies pitched in, searching the Lake Hodges area by foot, air and boat.

The search for the teen has also generated a lot of traffic online to a Facebook page and the Web site findchelsea.com.

Investigators looked for clues on Chelsea's cell phone, which was found in her car, and her home computer.

The Poway High School senior is a straight-A student and a member of the San Diego Youth Symphony.

http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 02:38:21 PM
Has Lake Hodges been searched for Amber?

http://www.umapper.com/maps/view/id/57373/



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on March 01, 2010, 03:13:44 PM
    I so hope that Amber is still alive somewhere.  But I am wondering if LE knows something.  I was surprised to hear the two cases linked so quickly. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 03:35:02 PM
I don't know if Lake Hodges has been searched, I don't think so. Remember they spent a bit of time wondering if she ran away.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I hope Carrie gets herself on the news. She needs to be out there right now making sure everyone thinks of Amber as well. I am really concerned this man took Amber. Let me go grab the article that Norrose posted about what happened in 2000


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 03:37:44 PM
Suspect in King's disappearance molested 13-year-old girl in 2000
Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison.


RANCHO BERNARDO — The registered sex offender arrested in the disappearance of Poway teenager Chelsea King was convicted 10 years ago of forcibly molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl.

John Albert Gardner III, now 30, pleaded guilty in May 2000 to two counts of forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment. He was sentenced in September of that year to six years in prison.

Court records show that a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner said he showed no remorse for his actions. “There is no known treatment for an individual that sexually assaults girls and does not admit to it in any way,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll. “The fact that the defendant takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions makes him an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”
Gardner, who listed his home address in Lake Elsinore on the Megan’s Law sex offender registry, was arrested at 4:20 p.m. Sunday in King’s disappearance in front of a Mexican restaurant and bar called Hernandez Hide-A-Way in the small community of Del Dios on the west shore of Lake Hodges near Escondido, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said.

Numerous pieces of physical evidence led investigators to Gardner, Gore said. He would not elaborate, stating the investigation is ongoing and that authorities are still trying to find Chelsea, who went to Rancho Bernardo Community Park for a run and never came home.

An arraignment has been set for Wednesday in San Diego Superior Court.

The mood at Poway High School was somber Monday morning as students and staff reacted to news that Gardner had been arrested on suspicion of murder and rape in connection with the disappearance of King, a 17-year-old classmate.

“We’re still hoping for the best, but we’re fearing the worst,” said school counselor Traci Barker-Ball.

At the school, students and staff wore blue shirts to represent the color of Chelsea’s eyes and tied blue ribbons around light poles on campus.

Citing the “very difficult and emotional weekend,” principal Scott Fisher addressed students over the loudspeaker Monday morning, thanking the students for participating in the search efforts.

“I don’t know that I’ve ever been so proud of the school,” he said, his voice cracking at times with emotion. “Students have just been out there caring for one another, and that’s major during a difficult time.”

According to court records in Gardner’s previous conviction, Gardner saw the victim and a 14-year-old friend waiting for a school bus on March 16, 2000, and he offered them a ride. Both girls accepted the offer, but the younger girl also decided to go with Gardner to watch movies at his home.

Gardner started giving the 13-year-old a massage and kissing her as the two were watching “Patch Adams” alone in his townhouse. He then picked her up, placed her on the couch and began rubbing himself against her genital area.

The girl protested, but Gardner persisted, according to the documents.

He brought her upstairs to a bedroom where he got on top of her and continued rubbing and touching her. He also tried to take her pants and underwear off, despite her objections.

Eventually, Gardner said, “You know what, I can’t take this anymore,” and hit the girl repeatedly in the face.

“He had his hand on my mouth and I couldn’t breath(e), and I got pretty fuzzy after he hit me, and I’m not sure if I blacked out,” the girl testified during a preliminary hearing, which is usually the first opportunity prosecutors have to present witnesses in a criminal case.

Wearing only one shoe on and holding her pants up, she was eventually able to run out the door to a neighbor’s house across the street.

Gardner got into his vehicle and drove away. He was found at a nearby gas station and arrested. Gardner told police he had picked the girl up that morning and dropped her off in front of her apartment complex at 8:40 a.m. He claimed he was innocent and blamed the victim’s mother for the beating.

On Sunday, Sheriff Gore said there was “a strong possibility” Gardner may be connected to an attack on a lone female jogger in Rancho Bernardo Community Park the morning of Dec. 27.

He said investigators also were looking into the possibility of a connection between Gardner and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009. Amber was 14 at the time.

“We’re leaving no stone unturned,” Gore said.

Chelsea’s parents reported their daughter missing at about 6 p.m. Thursday when she failed to come home from a run at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Brent King found his daughter’s locked car in the parking lot at the park.

A missing-person search has continued round-the-clock since then.

At a two-story, tan-colored townhome on Matinal Road in the Westwood neighborhood of Rancho Bernardo Monday morning, extinguished police flares were the only clue that the place had been searched by police overnight.

The dwelling is close to Rancho Bernardo park. Neighbors said Gardner’s mother and stepfather have lived there for about a decade. They said Gardner showed up occasionally and would say hello to nearby residents as he came and went.

“I couldn’t sleep at all last night,” said Jimmy Ashker, who has lived across the street since 1988. He said he recognized Gardner right away when police showed him a photo of the suspect last night.

“I kept playing things over and over in my head. I was just wondering if there was one thing I overlooked that could have made a difference” and led to earlier intervention by law enforcement, Ashker said Monday morning.

Upon hearing a knock on the front door, a man inside the Gardner home said: “Can you get off the property, please?”

In Lake Elsinore, neighbors on Gillette Street — a hillside tract of blue-collar homes overlooking the lake — said Gardner sometimes visited a house owned by his grandmother. They didn’t see any signs of criminal activity there and were surprised by Sunday’s law-enforcement search of the property.

A neighbor said officers were especially interested in a shed behind the two-story house.

MORE...


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/lake-elsinore-man-arrested-poway-teens-disappearan/
 

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 03:45:28 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/chelsea-king-disappearance-suspect-linked-cases/story?id=9975272
Snipped from the whole artcle.....More at link

Police believe Gardner, who was arrested in 2000 for committing lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14, may also be connected to the disappearance of Amber DuBois, a 14-year-old who disappeared near San Diego on her way to school in February 2009.

DuBois' father said he and his family have not been contacted by police, but he has been in regular contact with King's parents and have helped organize the search for King.

"It's very emotional," said Maurice DuBois who has been briefing search teams and offering support to the King family. "It brings us right back to the first week Amber went missing, all the chaos and fear."

At the time of Amber's disappearance, DuBois said police never mentioned Gardner by name, but he was told "that law enforcement had checked all the sex offenders living in the proximity."

He said he hadn't met with law enforcement yet to discuss if Gardner had been questioned last year or if he might be connected to both cases.

Police said Gardner may also be connected to an attack on a young woman along the park's same jogging path where King went missing. That jogger was able to fend off her assailant by hitting him in the face with her elbow and escaping.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 03:50:14 PM
The previous article I posted links to an interview with Chelsea kinds parents and the sherriff. In this interview he says the are going back 18 months to see if there are more victims. 18 months? Wow..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 04:37:40 PM
IntegraScan Denied the Ability to Speak to Detectives Regarding Chelsea King Abduction
IntegraScan.com has valuable information regarding the actual address of John Albert Gardner III, the suspect arrested for the disappearance of Chelsea King in San Diego County,California.
Brocton, NY (PRWEB) March 1, 2010 -- IntegraScan.com, a background check company, contacted the San Diego County Sheriff's Department this morning, March 1, 2010, regarding the Chelsea King and John Albert Gardner III case with valuable information on the current address of John Gardner III, but were denied the opportunity to provide this information to detectives working the case.

After hearing about Chelsea King's disappearance February 25th and the arrest of the sex offender, John Gardner III on Sunday (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/02/man-arrested-in-san-diego-teens-disappearance-her-whereabouts-still-unknown.html), Integra Scan performed a search of their system for information on Gardner. The San Diego County Sheriff William Gore reported to the Associated Press that they arrested John Gardner III of Lake Elsinore, California. Lake Elsinore is located 75 miles north of where Chelsea King disappeared. However, the address the IntegraScan database has Gardner living at is in Escondido, California, a mere eight miles from the Rancho Bernardo Community Park where Chelsea King was jogging and disappeared.

When Integra Scan called the San Diego County Sheriff's Department to report Gardner's real address, they were denied the opportunity to speak with a detective by the operator. After questioning the operator about whether or not they were still searching for Chelsea King, the operator confirmed that they were, but that it was not possible to speak to a detective regarding the case. This press release is a plea to the Sheriff to please contact us. We will gladly provide you with the information we have.
In addition, Integra Scan has a full address history on Gardner dating back to 2000, as well as four photos, while the Office of the Attorney General only has one photo and the incorrect address for Gardner. The address history that Integra Scan has also shows that Gardner actually lived in Rancho Bernardo in 2000, which suggests that he is very familiar with the Rancho Bernardo Community Park and area.

The San Diego Sheriff's Department has stated that they have valuable evidence linking Gardner to the case, but we feel they are looking in the wrong location for Chelsea King. It is highly likely that additional evidence, and perhaps Chelsea King, could be located at this current address.

About IntegraScan.com: Information regarding John Albert Gardner III was provided by IntegraScan.com a background check and people locate company.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/Chelsea-King/John-Gardner/prweb3669844.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 04:42:59 PM


(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/01/duboiddad_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/lake-elsinore-man-arrested-poway-teens-disappearan/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 04:57:45 PM
IntegraScan Denied the Ability to Speak to Detectives Regarding Chelsea King Abduction
IntegraScan.com has valuable information regarding the actual address of John Albert Gardner III, the suspect arrested for the disappearance of Chelsea King in San Diego County,California.
Brocton, NY (PRWEB) March 1, 2010 -- IntegraScan.com, a background check company, contacted the San Diego County Sheriff's Department this morning, March 1, 2010, regarding the Chelsea King and John Albert Gardner III case with valuable information on the current address of John Gardner III, but were denied the opportunity to provide this information to detectives working the case.

After hearing about Chelsea King's disappearance February 25th and the arrest of the sex offender, John Gardner III on Sunday (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/02/man-arrested-in-san-diego-teens-disappearance-her-whereabouts-still-unknown.html), Integra Scan performed a search of their system for information on Gardner. The San Diego County Sheriff William Gore reported to the Associated Press that they arrested John Gardner III of Lake Elsinore, California. Lake Elsinore is located 75 miles north of where Chelsea King disappeared. However, the address the IntegraScan database has Gardner living at is in Escondido, California, a mere eight miles from the Rancho Bernardo Community Park where Chelsea King was jogging and disappeared.

When Integra Scan called the San Diego County Sheriff's Department to report Gardner's real address, they were denied the opportunity to speak with a detective by the operator. After questioning the operator about whether or not they were still searching for Chelsea King, the operator confirmed that they were, but that it was not possible to speak to a detective regarding the case. This press release is a plea to the Sheriff to please contact us. We will gladly provide you with the information we have.
In addition, Integra Scan has a full address history on Gardner dating back to 2000, as well as four photos, while the Office of the Attorney General only has one photo and the incorrect address for Gardner. The address history that Integra Scan has also shows that Gardner actually lived in Rancho Bernardo in 2000, which suggests that he is very familiar with the Rancho Bernardo Community Park and area.

The San Diego Sheriff's Department has stated that they have valuable evidence linking Gardner to the case, but we feel they are looking in the wrong location for Chelsea King. It is highly likely that additional evidence, and perhaps Chelsea King, could be located at this current address.

About IntegraScan.com: Information regarding John Albert Gardner III was provided by IntegraScan.com a background check and people locate company.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/Chelsea-King/John-Gardner/prweb3669844.htm

I wonder where the address is? How could they not speak to investigators? Sheesh transfer them already!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 05:27:55 PM
John Gardner has a "comfort zone". He chooses his victims where he lives.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 05:33:28 PM
I think Edward or somebody here mentioned John Gardner in a post.. I guess if it says they molest kids under 14 that doesn't mean they always molest kids under 14, maybe they need to change that, that is too narrow to me.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 05:41:42 PM
Did the cell phone ping in Amber's disapperance as well as his last known address in Escondido match up ??
I mean DID he live close to that ping ? 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 06:07:02 PM
Did the cell phone ping in Amber's disapperance as well as his last known address in Escondido match up ??
I mean DID he live close to that ping ? 



according to google maps, from deer creek spring road, I think that is where the cell tower is right? So from there to 1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido it is 4.7 miles, under the 5 mile radius.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 01, 2010, 06:07:24 PM
Did the cell phone ping in Amber's disapperance as well as his last known address in Escondido match up ??
I mean DID he live close to that ping ? 



GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026

LE has been very vague about the "ping" only that it was North Escondido

I hope we know something soon - this has just ripped everything wide open again...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 06:10:48 PM
Did the cell phone ping in Amber's disapperance as well as his last known address in Escondido match up ??
I mean DID he live close to that ping ? 



GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026

LE has been very vague about the "ping" only that it was North Escondido

I hope we know something soon - this has just ripped everything wide open again...

Hi Ampersand, it is good too "see" you. Please know we are all praying for Amber and your entire family.
I think somehow the cell tower was narrowed down to one on deer creek, it was posted on here somewhere.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 01, 2010, 06:12:31 PM
Did the cell phone ping in Amber's disapperance as well as his last known address in Escondido match up ??
I mean DID he live close to that ping ? 



GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026

LE has been very vague about the "ping" only that it was North Escondido

I hope we know something soon - this has just ripped everything wide open again...

Hi Ampersand, it is good too "see" you. Please know we are all praying for Amber and your entire family.
I think somehow the cell tower was narrowed down to one on deer creek, it was posted on here somewhere.
It's tough to keep track - thank you for all the support...


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Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 06:20:57 PM
Hi Ampersand

Our hearts are with you always..


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Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Did the cell phone ping in Amber's disapperance as well as his last known address in Escondido match up ??
I mean DID he live close to that ping ? 



according to google maps, from deer creek spring road, I think that is where the cell tower is right? So from there to 1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido it is 4.7 miles, under the 5 mile radius.

He is the circle we created..


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Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 06:27:18 PM
When LE got that Ping.. ALL S.O. "esx offenders" should have been fully investigated.
I mean they should have had there cars and homes searched..
Is there some law that says they can not search them ?? they are convicted criminals.

Should have would have could have..

I wish they would have.



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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 06:31:54 PM
I was looking through the riverside county court website at www.riverside.courts.ca.gov and found that John Albert Gardner recently was ticketed by a Temecula cop on 1/30/2010  for not having current registration and no proof financial responsibility, hewas scheduled for court on Feb 10 2010.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 06:36:23 PM
I was looking through the riverside county court website at www.riverside.courts.ca.gov and found that John Albert Gardner recently was ticketed by a Temecula cop on 1/30/2010  for not having current registration and no proof financial responsibility, hewas scheduled for court on Feb 10 2010.

oK, mistake not a Temecula cop, he was ticketed by a riverside sheriff deputy.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
If anyone wants to know, you can access public court records from Riverside County at this website: http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/pubacc.htm and type GUEST as the password, you don't need a login name. or just read the directions there, it's easy but you won't always get what you are looking for because you might have to pay.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
When LE got that Ping.. ALL S.O. "esx offenders" should have been fully investigated.
I mean they should have had there cars and homes searched..
Is there some law that says they can not search them ?? they are convicted criminals.

Should have would have could have..

I wish they would have.



They should have fully questioned, check alibi's, search cars and residences. They screwed up big time. When this man moved out of the area, another investigation should have taken place as to why he wanted to move out. I am furious right now, please excuse me. I just cannot believe this.

He was out of jail since 2005, he had no remorse for the crime he commited against a 13 year old child, during the past 5 years how many more victims have there been? I doubt he went 5 years without committing another crime. How many "runaways" have been ignored when infact he took them? Every missing person case within a 50 mile radius, a 100 mile radius regardless if it is believed they ran away or not, all of them since he has been out of jail need to be re looked at.
 


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 07:09:37 PM
When LE got that Ping.. ALL S.O. "esx offenders" should have been fully investigated.
I mean they should have had there cars and homes searched..
Is there some law that says they can not search them ?? they are convicted criminals.

Should have would have could have..

I wish they would have.



They should have fully questioned, check alibi's, search cars and residences. They screwed up big time. When this man moved out of the area, another investigation should have taken place as to why he wanted to move out. I am furious right now, please excuse me. I just cannot believe this.

He was out of jail since 2005, he had no remorse for the crime he commited against a 13 year old child, during the past 5 years how many more victims have there been? I doubt he went 5 years without committing another crime. How many "runaways" have been ignored when infact he took them? Every missing person case within a 50 mile radius, a 100 mile radius regardless if it is believed they ran away or not, all of them since he has been out of jail need to be re looked at.
 


Gardner lied about where he lived, his residence was in lake elsinore, however, he was staying in Escondido with his mother and stepfather, so his residence was a lie, still he was protected by the law, and once again criminals have more rights.


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Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 07:19:05 PM
None of this surprises me at all. It is my understanding that LE only checks on these sickos once a year! I do not know if that is all that they are allowed to do or what! That sure gives them a lot of leeway doesn't it!


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 07:25:55 PM
Yeah, sebastian, now I have to be even more careful when I go running in the park. Luckily, the park I go has not had any people attacked "so far".


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Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
just take along a friend when you go wondering off on a JOG.

Please be aware and be careful, TAKE A FRIEND. Do not distress yourself with imaginings or fears.. unless you are in a bad area of town.. lol
The United States is for the most part a very safe place to live.



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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 11:05:14 PM
I'm not worried, I have watch dogs all around.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 11:36:19 PM
Did the cell phone ping in Amber's disapperance as well as his last known address in Escondido match up ??
I mean DID he live close to that ping ? 



GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026

LE has been very vague about the "ping" only that it was North Escondido

I hope we know something soon - this has just ripped everything wide open again...

Glad to see you.  I have never stopped praying for Amber and your family.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 11:39:02 PM
When LE got that Ping.. ALL S.O. "esx offenders" should have been fully investigated.
I mean they should have had there cars and homes searched..
Is there some law that says they can not search them ?? they are convicted criminals.

Should have would have could have..

I wish they would have.



They should have fully questioned, check alibi's, search cars and residences. They screwed up big time. When this man moved out of the area, another investigation should have taken place as to why he wanted to move out. I am furious right now, please excuse me. I just cannot believe this.

He was out of jail since 2005, he had no remorse for the crime he commited against a 13 year old child, during the past 5 years how many more victims have there been? I doubt he went 5 years without committing another crime. How many "runaways" have been ignored when infact he took them? Every missing person case within a 50 mile radius, a 100 mile radius regardless if it is believed they ran away or not, all of them since he has been out of jail need to be re looked at.
 


Gardner lied about where he lived, his residence was in lake elsinore, however, he was staying in Escondido with his mother and stepfather, so his residence was a lie, still he was protected by the law, and once again criminals have more rights.

It was in one of the news videos today that the Lake Elsinore address was his Grandma's and he only "visited" her about twice a week.  Not sure where his real residence was or if he moved around from there to Mom's to somewhere else?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 11:40:58 PM
Did the cell phone ping in Amber's disapperance as well as his last known address in Escondido match up ??
I mean DID he live close to that ping ? 



according to google maps, from deer creek spring road, I think that is where the cell tower is right? So from there to 1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido it is 4.7 miles, under the 5 mile radius.

He is the circle we created..


yup he sure is within that circle.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 11:48:15 PM
When LE got that Ping.. ALL S.O. "esx offenders" should have been fully investigated.
I mean they should have had there cars and homes searched..
Is there some law that says they can not search them ?? they are convicted criminals.

Should have would have could have..

I wish they would have.



They should have fully questioned, check alibi's, search cars and residences. They screwed up big time. When this man moved out of the area, another investigation should have taken place as to why he wanted to move out. I am furious right now, please excuse me. I just cannot believe this.

He was out of jail since 2005, he had no remorse for the crime he committed against a 13 year old child, during the past 5 years how many more victims have there been? I doubt he went 5 years without committing another crime. How many "runaways" have been ignored when infact he took them? Every missing person case within a 50 mile radius, a 100 mile radius regardless if it is believed they ran away or not, all of them since he has been out of jail need to be re looked at.
 

Tracy I am right there with you.  I am furious that there was a 14 year old also that prosecutors did not want to put through the trauma of court so they never charged him with it.  She was a friend of the 13 year old and he rubbed himself against her clothes and body per the article.  Had they followed up then the 13 year old would not have been assaulted, the Dec. jogger would not have been assaulted....etc. I understand LE not wanting to traumatize a child but the laws have to change as the victims should not be afraid of the court and trial, the accused should be.  Why can they not take testimony by video?  Something has to change.  By all accounts he has become more brazen and violent from what has been released about him and each assault. 


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 12:26:08 AM
Which thread did I say this in, if it was Ambers I am sorry to repeat myself. But there is a huge difference in the attacks in 1999/2ooo and then what happened in December 09 and then this past month. A SO doesn't just go there in one giant leap. He was in the security of an apartment back in 2000, In December and Feb he was out in public and attacked a stranger out in the open. This was not his first time after leaving jail. The missing people that LE has just decided has simply ran away never to be heard from again, all of those cases need to be actively looked at.
I know Ambers family reads here and I am sorry to say this but I thought it in the beginning and I think it more now, this could be the person that took her. Please get out there on TV and make your anger be known.


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Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 01:32:37 AM
I also believe there are more attacks done by him..

BUT

How he got Amber perplexes me.. Only on Vista from what I can see.
Possible he got her in the church parking lot.
There had to be a struggle if it is this guy..
OR He was driving a red truck on February 13 2009 and it is him we see in the parking lot and the police never really found the red truck. They found somebody who kinda thought that yes maybe they were there. Like all the other eye witness accounts of Amber.. ALL BullCarp at this moment because they would have seen an altercation with a 6 foot 2 inch 230 lab monster and Amber.

It makes no sense.. Somebody should have seen something..The only vacant spot is walking by the church field along the chain link on Vista.
He would have been laying in wait for her.
[Preplanned.


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Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 11:31:38 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Family-Believes-Missing-Teens-Are-Linked-85951827.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/AmberChelsea.jpg)

Family Believes Missing Teens Are Linked
John Albert Gardner III has "an unnatural interest in very young girls," according to one prosecutor
By R. STICKNEY, PAUL KRUEGER and MARI PAYTON
Updated 7:10 AM PST, Tue, Mar 2, 2010


Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III is in custody on suspicion of murder and rape in the case of missing Poway teen Chelsea King.

King was last seen Thursday, Feb. 25 before she headed out for a run after school near Lake Hodges. An article of her clothing found near the lake matched Gardner's DNA, according to law enforcement sources.

But now, family members of another missing North County girl are seeing similarities in the Chelsea King case and their own daughter's disappearance.

Amber Dubois was last seen Feb. 13, 2009 while walking to Escondido High School.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 01:05:55 PM
I also believe there are more attacks done by him..

BUT

How he got Amber perplexes me.. Only on Vista from what I can see.
Possible he got her in the church parking lot.
There had to be a struggle if it is this guy..
OR He was driving a red truck on February 13 2009 and it is him we see in the parking lot and the police never really found the red truck. They found somebody who kinda thought that yes maybe they were there. Like all the other eye witness accounts of Amber.. ALL BullCarp at this moment because they would have seen an altercation with a 6 foot 2 inch 230 lab monster and Amber.

It makes no sense.. Somebody should have seen something..The only vacant spot is walking by the church field along the chain link on Vista.
He would have been laying in wait for her.
[Preplanned.

Edward what was the first thing he said to the jogger, shut up or I'll kill you. That one sentence will over power a lot of people. Or he lived in that area, she could have seen him before and she felt a level of safety or he wasn't a threat. The witness accounts I am not sure if they are a mistake or not. He could have been the "tall boy" walking with her. I think it is said the boy was wearing a hat. From a distance I think it would be difficult to know if someone is 18 or 29. To make him look like a student he would need to have a backpack and a hat and the way people are wearing hats these days you can't really see a face anyway.
That morning it was raining and I can tell you when it rains the parking lots at school are a crazy place, plus this school had construction trucks on the street, cars coming and going.

So this is my thought....He is standing in that one area that I mentioned before, just after the bus lot. Amber walks by, he strikes up a conversation with her to try to make her a bit at ease. Maybe he is saying something like he is new to the school and he wanted to know where a certain class was. Or you know I have read a predator will drop something and then they get you to help them or ask you if you dropped something, both will immediately put a person at ease..Then he strikes up a conversation and walks along side her. When he gets to his vehicle he tells her something like, get in the truck/van/car or I will kill you.  It takes just a few seconds and if the vehicle is big enough, it will block the view from the street and if the timing is right, no one was walking along that path. I could be completely off but this is what I can imagine happening if he took her off Broadway.
IF the witnesses are wrong and they mistook another person for Amber then I think she never made it too Broadway. However I have read so many times she had a certain walk. The witnesses knew her so it really leads me to think it was Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 01:52:15 PM
I doubt all witness accounts. I discount all of them at this point.
He is not the boy seen walking.
He is white... not dark




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 01:57:52 PM
Let me see if I can put these thoughts into words that are understandable. I have all of these things in my head I have been thinking about since last Thursday.

The MO's that we know of
In 2000 he picked up 2 girls he knew and who knew him, he asked if they wanted a ride to school. The girls knew him and somehow he had gained their trust in the past and they went along. He gets one of the girls to agree to skip school and hang out with him watching movies. the other friend said no thank you. He takes the girl to his place and as they are watching movies he puts the moves on her, she fights back he gets frustrated with her and over powers her. She gets away though, she Id's him and off to jail he goes.

So this tells me and please correct me if I make any errors. He planned this by gaining the trust of his victim. He formed some kind of relationship with her because she skipped school and joined him, she trusted him. He got her alone and then pounced, I think he was planning to kill her but she got away.
So off to jail he goes and I bet he spent that time trying to figure out what went wrong and why he got caught.
So then we move on to Dec 2009, about 5 years after leaving jail and 2 years after probation, first time since then? I think not...
He is walking a trail that is commonly used by joggers. He is walking the trail as if just going for a walk, he had jeans on and the jogger said she thought that strange but she said hello, I wonder what he did, did he smile at her? He had to look at her, somehow she was put at ease enough to say hello, he guard was down. He came up behind her and pounced on her, he used a surprise attack.  she fought back and ran off.
So did he use this MO before? He gained a little bit of trust, just enough to put someone at ease but not enough that if they got away they could give his name. He still used over powering as he tried in 2000 but it was more forceful and done from behind. He used a surprise attack on the jogger.
This was a failure for him this time, he realized he screwed up so I wonder what he changed because he tried this same thing again. Same trail, same area, same type of victim (a lone female jogger) I wonder if the December girl and and Chelsea look a like? It would be interesting to know if he thought he was going back to get the same person that got away. I think nothing makes these men more angry is to not get the victim they eyed. Does anyone know if the 2 girls resemble each other? Are they about the same size, same hair color? If not then maybe he was perfecting something he wanted to do, but screwed it up.

So if you take this information from the past crime and what we know of the jogger, can we sort of guess at how he could have done this to Amber? I can see bits and pieces that he has tweaked and changed to perfect this crime and used on the jogger that could have worked on Amber.

He is disturbed, to get into this persons head is scary. He is a monster.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 02:02:23 PM
I doubt all witness accounts. I discount all of them at this point.
He is not the boy seen walking.
He is white... not dark




Edward I am not sure I trust the details of the boy. They saw him from far away. As for him being dark, maybe he tanned or worked outside and his face was tanned? I think witnesses said he had a hat on. I just don't know if I trust the details.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 02:43:49 PM
It was raining outside.. Vision was limited..
Nobody had seen her face as her hood was up. That is the way she left the house.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 02:55:01 PM
This guy apparently likes parks..

Go back to the beginning of our research on this case..

Amber will be within out researched areas mentioned. I am positive of it.

I myself feel that the road the leads to the back way to guajome park is where she was taken.

I could be wrong.. But HIS movements on February 13 2009 should be investigated by LE
Especially if HE owns a cell phone or has work in the area where he did not show up on that day or the day after.

I am so pissed.. He is a piece of Chit.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 03:44:28 PM
It was raining outside.. Vision was limited..
Nobody had seen her face as her hood was up. That is the way she left the house.


To be honest with you I was on Google maps street view of Broadway and there was a girl walking away from the school on that same side of the street. At first I thought it was Amber. They could have been mistaken someone else for Amber. I wonder and would hope, LE had spoken to every child that walks that route every day and asked them if anyone said anything to them that morning or at any other time.

I think when they find Chelsea it may give us some clues in what he does with his victims. If she is in water that must have worked for him in the past although I think a body would have been found floating.

There are so many places around escondido, so many open spaces...if he went down El norte parkway he could get to the middle of nowhere. IF he went back to his apartment, there are places just west of there that seems pretty remote or he could have gone north to the hidden hills area, or south to lake hodges. Needle, meet haystack



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Post by: MuffyBee on March 02, 2010, 06:26:41 PM
OT Body of Chelsea King found.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1086221#msg1086221


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 02, 2010, 06:44:35 PM
He had his DNA on her so that is why he killed her, this is why he went to such extremes to cover up his crime and then hide the body, cmon, sooner or later you are going to get caught.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 06:54:29 PM
The body of Chelsea was found in lake Hodges..

IF that is his pattern it is no wonder searchers never found Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
"IF" He is the culprit even..

LE better take this serious..They need to search the lakes for Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 07:17:13 PM
"IF" He is the culprit even..

LE better take this serious..They need to search the lakes for Amber.

Yes they do Edward. I know it is hard but there is no time for deniel.
He put Chelsea into a shallow grave, probably so she wouldn't float to the top (sorry). He used a muddy area probably because it was easiest to dig through. LE now needs to rule out that this is what happened to Amber.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on March 02, 2010, 07:36:05 PM
Shallow grave on shoreline Edward.....not necessarily in the lake.   Chelsea  was found on the shoreline in a shallow grave covered with debris, just sayin'  ::HelloKitty::  ....... although, I am not convinced there is a connection.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on March 02, 2010, 08:03:28 PM
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/03/02/Body-of-missing-SoCal-teen-believed-found/UPI-75981267576994/
Body of missing SoCal teen believed found
Published: March. 2, 2010 at 7:43 PM

SAN DIEGO, March 2 (UPI) -- A body believed to be that of a teenage jogger has been found buried alongside the lake where she disappeared, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said Tuesday.

Gore told a news conference at Lake Hodges that the body was found in a shallow grave near the water's edge and was likely that of Chelsea King.

"There is a strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea," said Gore, whose department has been at the forefront of a large-scale search ever since the 17-year-old Poway student went missing.

The grave was found in an area of an expansive park that had been searched earlier and was covered in debris. KGTV-TV in San Diego said the discovery was revealed after scores of volunteers had combed the area.

The North County (Calif.) Times said King's family had noted on its Facebook page prior to the announcement that a body had been found but had not been identified as their daughter.
John Albert Gardner, 30, of Lake Elsinore, was arrested Sunday on suspicion of rape and murder in the King case. He faces arraignment Wednesday.

Gardner is also a suspect in an alleged sexual assault of another female jogger in the area and is also under investigation in the February 2009 disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois in nearby Escondido.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on March 02, 2010, 08:06:25 PM
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/amber-dubois-may-be-linked-john-gardner-and-chelsea-king-2585418.html
Amber DuBois: May be Linked to John Gardner and Chelsea King
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by Amy Judd | March 2, 2010 at 04:49 pm
Amber DuBois has been missing since February 2009 and John Albert Gardner III who was arrested in the Chelsea King case, may also be linked to DuBois' disappearance although no evidence has been discovered at this time.

Amber DuBois went missing went she was walking to Escondido High School in Escondido California but has not been seen or heard from since. Maurice DuBois spoke to NBC:


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 09:28:46 PM
BODY FOUND AT LAKE HODGES BELIEVED TO BE CHELSEA KING
Suspect may also be linked to Amber Dubois disappearance


March 2, 2010 (Rancho Bernardo) – A body has been found by authorities in a shallow grave near the water’s edge at Lake Hodges. In a press conference at 4 p.m. today, Sheriff Bill Gore said, “There is a strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea.” Poway High School honor student Chelsea King went missing while jogging around Lake Hodges.

The County medical examiner’s office has been called. The body was found near where other evidence was also recovered, authorities have indicated.
 
John Gardner, the convicted sex offender in custody on suspicion of rape and murder of King, was previously convicted for lewd and lascivious acts involving a 13-year-old girl.
 
Now authorities have learned that Gardener was living within two miles of Escondido High School when Amber Dubois went missing while walking to the school over a year ago. Sheriff’s officials are investigating whether Gardner may also be responsible for the disappearance of Dubois.

http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2859


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Post by: Ampersand on March 02, 2010, 09:52:16 PM
BODY FOUND AT LAKE HODGES BELIEVED TO BE CHELSEA KING
Suspect may also be linked to Amber Dubois disappearance


March 2, 2010 (Rancho Bernardo) – A body has been found by authorities in a shallow grave near the water’s edge at Lake Hodges. In a press conference at 4 p.m. today, Sheriff Bill Gore said, “There is a strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea.” Poway High School honor student Chelsea King went missing while jogging around Lake Hodges.

The County medical examiner’s office has been called. The body was found near where other evidence was also recovered, authorities have indicated.
 
John Gardner, the convicted sex offender in custody on suspicion of rape and murder of King, was previously convicted for lewd and lascivious acts involving a 13-year-old girl.
 
Now authorities have learned that Gardener was living within two miles of Escondido High School when Amber Dubois went missing while walking to the school over a year ago. Sheriff’s officials are investigating whether Gardner may also be responsible for the disappearance of Dubois.

http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2859

"Now authorities have learned..." NOW - NOW???!!!  John Gardner's address at the time of Amber's disappearance was in Escondido....this is so sick and wrong...


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 02, 2010, 11:57:26 PM
JAG could have easily abducted Amber on Broadway drove to the light at El Norte Parkway driven two blocks up to Nordahl turned left and a few blocks down Nordahl is at Rock (what ever I can't remember that name) left or right. He could have raped and killed her at his apartment and transported her body in the evening. She could be in lake on his way to his grandmothers.

He does have an MO for at home rape.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:11:14 AM
BODY FOUND AT LAKE HODGES BELIEVED TO BE CHELSEA KING
Suspect may also be linked to Amber Dubois disappearance


March 2, 2010 (Rancho Bernardo) – A body has been found by authorities in a shallow grave near the water’s edge at Lake Hodges. In a press conference at 4 p.m. today, Sheriff Bill Gore said, “There is a strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea.” Poway High School honor student Chelsea King went missing while jogging around Lake Hodges.

The County medical examiner’s office has been called. The body was found near where other evidence was also recovered, authorities have indicated.
 
John Gardner, the convicted sex offender in custody on suspicion of rape and murder of King, was previously convicted for lewd and lascivious acts involving a 13-year-old girl.
 
Now authorities have learned that Gardener was living within two miles of Escondido High School when Amber Dubois went missing while walking to the school over a year ago. Sheriff’s officials are investigating whether Gardner may also be responsible for the disappearance of Dubois.

http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2859

"Now authorities have learned..." NOW - NOW???!!!  John Gardner's address at the time of Amber's disappearance was in Escondido....this is so sick and wrong...

I can not imagine what you and the family are going through right now.  It is more than wrong.  One strike when it comes to sexual predators.  A nice big bright tattoo across the face so they can be identified from a block away and as Edward suggested,  cut off both thumbs and big toes so they can not run and can not grab. 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:13:04 AM
Dubois Family Watched Gardner After Girl's Disappearance
Family Of Amber Dubois Says John Gardner Was On List Of Sex Offenders They Observed

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- The man suspected of in the death of Chelsea King was being watched more than a year ago by the family of missing teenager Amber Dubois.

On Tuesday, 10News spoke with Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle. She said her family asked investigators with the Escondido Police Department to check out 174 registered sex offenders living within the area of Escondido High School where Amber, who was 14 years old at the time, was last seen February 13, 2009.

McGonigle said she was angry when she heard about John Gardner's arrest, "'Cause I asked numerous times for Escondido PD to check out every single one."

Family friend Linda Walkup said Chelsea King could have been saved if investigators checked in on people like Gardner.

"Had he been looked at from the beginning maybe, possibly, we could have stopped what's going on with Chelsea right now," said Walkup.

Instead, Amber's family and friends began their own investigation. They located the homes of 147 known registered sex offenders in Escondido, San Marcos, Poway and Rancho Bernardo. They drove by their homes and even staked out some of those homes. One of the stakeouts was almost a year ago, outside an Escondido apartment belonging to Gardner at the time.

Family friend Vinnie Spucces showed 10News reporter Joe Little the notes they'd taken on March 28, 2009, about Gardner. They couldn't believe it when he was arrested.

"My wife dropped to the ground and says, ‘We were there. We got his picture,'" said Spucces, "We were shocked."

The family told 10News they were holding out hope that Chelsea and Amber would be found together, alive.

Spucces told 10News by phone Tuesday's discovery of what appears to be Chelsea's body is a blow to the King family and their own search for Amber.

http://www.10news.com/news/22723155/detail.html


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 01:31:34 AM
BODY FOUND AT LAKE HODGES BELIEVED TO BE CHELSEA KING
Suspect may also be linked to Amber Dubois disappearance


March 2, 2010 (Rancho Bernardo) – A body has been found by authorities in a shallow grave near the water’s edge at Lake Hodges. In a press conference at 4 p.m. today, Sheriff Bill Gore said, “There is a strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea.” Poway High School honor student Chelsea King went missing while jogging around Lake Hodges.

The County medical examiner’s office has been called. The body was found near where other evidence was also recovered, authorities have indicated.
 
John Gardner, the convicted sex offender in custody on suspicion of rape and murder of King, was previously convicted for lewd and lascivious acts involving a 13-year-old girl.
 
Now authorities have learned that Gardener was living within two miles of Escondido High School when Amber Dubois went missing while walking to the school over a year ago. Sheriff’s officials are investigating whether Gardner may also be responsible for the disappearance of Dubois.

http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2859

"Now authorities have learned..." NOW - NOW???!!!  John Gardner's address at the time of Amber's disappearance was in Escondido....this is so sick and wrong...

Yep now, one year later they decide to look at a RSO who is known to go after teenaged girls? and lets not forget what the psychiatrist advised, keep him locked up away from society because he is a danger to society and will do this again...Yep took a year to look at him and figure out he lived near by!!!


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 01:39:46 AM
JAG could have easily abducted Amber on Broadway drove to the light at El Norte Parkway driven two blocks up to Nordahl turned left and a few blocks down Nordahl is at Rock (what ever I can't remember that name) left or right. He could have raped and killed her at his apartment and transported her body in the evening. She could be in lake on his way to his grandmothers.

He does have an MO for at home rape.

What should be considered is, he disposed of chelsea's body in the quickest and easiest way possible, the shoreline was the easiest way to do it for that crime. If he took amber back to his apartment, what is the easiest and fastest way he could have disposed (sorry) of her body? His MO could be to do something fast and easy. Has any landfills been checked. What day of the week does trash get picked up in that area? Is there a dumpster near the apartment he lived in?
I would also have the police check back at any reports in that apartment complex regarding loud noises, smells or anything really within a week of Amber going missing.

 
 


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Post by: Sweet_Justice on March 03, 2010, 01:41:34 AM
I am so angry for Amber. She needs to be found. The search for Chelsea King has been professional and efficient. The outpouring of support from the community has been overwhelming. Why can’t this be true for every missing person? I hope and pray that Amber’s case will be kept alive. Perhaps if EPD had done their job Chelsea would still be here. I cannot believe JAG lived on Rock Springs. That is so close to EHS. Why was he not looked at? I find it pathetic that Amber’s family had to follow up on leads that EPD did not pursue. I am sorry if anyone thinks I am being too hard on the Escondido Police, but I have lived here for most my life and feel ashamed of them. I attended the same middle school that Stephanie Crowe did and I remember the mess they made of that investigation.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 01:46:29 AM
Carrie I am so glad you did this interview today. You did good. Now if I may offer my unsolicited advice, all of you stay together, unite and fight for justice. What they did to find Chelsea they should have done for Amber and must to do it now. No more excuses, no more believing she ran away...Stay on them and stay strong and stay in the media. Together you will find Amber. I am praying for all of you.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on March 03, 2010, 08:49:39 AM
snipped..............
Now authorities have learned that Gardener was living within two miles of Escondido High School when Amber Dubois went missing while walking to the school over a year ago. Sheriff’s officials are investigating whether Gardner may also be responsible for the disappearance of Dubois.

http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2859

OK...NOW I may be changing my mind on a connection  ::CowboySmiley::
This puts him closer than the 7-10 miles away that I had stuck in my mind.


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Post by: Sweet_Justice on March 03, 2010, 08:52:06 AM
Does anyone know a good way to reach Amber's mom? Is there an email address she checks regularly? I used google maps and entered JAG's address. I know those apartments. I lived 2mins from there in another apartment complex. I shutter to think of all the times my friends and I passed JAG's complex while innocently walking/jogging, like Chelsea. Anyway knowing the area, I have an idea of a place I strongly feel needs to be searched for Amber...if it hasn't been already. It might not be anything but who knows.

Thanks so much.


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Post by: Lovinlife on March 03, 2010, 10:43:48 AM
Sweet_Justice:   you can contact Carrie via bringamberhome.com. or email Klaas @ smklaas@hotmail.com and ask her to pass something along to Carrie.  You might want to track Klaas down and let her know you sent her something.


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Post by: Lovinlife on March 03, 2010, 10:47:45 AM
Last night's NG transcripts.  You can just hear the frustration and despair in Carries voice.  Sending up prayers for strenth. 

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/02/ng.01.html


(Snipped)
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Missing from the same area, 14-year-old Amber Dubois. And joining us tonight, her mother, Carrie McGonigle.

Miss McGonigle, thank you for being with us. What do you make of the developments surrounding Chelsea King?

CARRIE MCGONIGLE, MOTHER OF AMBER DUBOIS, 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL MISSING IN THE SAME AREA: Pretty much puts me speechless. My condolences go out to her parents. They`re asking, you know, the question arises, did this guy do something with my daughter? And I don`t want to admit it but I feel he probably did.

GRACE: Have you taken a look at a picture of Chelsea King and noticed the similarity, the physical similarity between her and Amber?

MCGONIGLE: Yes. I noticed that, and I noticed the similarity between Chelsea`s mother and me, too. It -- you know, I reached out to the family right away and I just -- my heart bleeds for them right now.

GRACE: Have police contacted you about Chelsea`s case as it relates to your daughter, Amber`s case?

MCGONIGLE: After they made the arrest on Sunday I did hear from the lieutenant from Escondido Police Department and they said they`ll let me know as soon as they know anything. That they are working with the sheriff`s department.

MCGONIGLE: Carrie McGonigle is with us, this is the mother of 14- year-old Amber Dubois.

Miss McGonigle, what were the circumstances surrounding your daughter`s disappearance?

MCGONIGLE: She left for school February 13th, 2009, and seen by two eyewitnesses right by the school and just vanished. No sign of her.

GRACE: Right there at the school.

MCGONIGLE: Yes.

GRACE: Vanishes.

MCGONIGLE: Yes.

(snipped)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 03, 2010, 11:03:01 AM
I am so angry for Amber. She needs to be found. The search for Chelsea King has been professional and efficient. The outpouring of support from the community has been overwhelming. Why can’t this be true for every missing person? I hope and pray that Amber’s case will be kept alive. Perhaps if EPD had done their job Chelsea would still be here. I cannot believe JAG lived on Rock Springs. That is so close to EHS. Why was he not looked at? I find it pathetic that Amber’s family had to follow up on leads that EPD did not pursue. I am sorry if anyone thinks I am being too hard on the Escondido Police, but I have lived here for most my life and feel ashamed of them. I attended the same middle school that Stephanie Crowe did and I remember the mess they made of that investigation.
Me too Sweet_Justice.  If this POS is involved with Amber (which I personally think he is) EPD will have to answer to Amber's family.  How many times did we ask over the course of the year if all the RSO's had been investigated.  I guess hindsight is always 20/20. :smt076 :smt091


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 11:17:44 AM
He may have taken her to his apartment.
What was he driving on February 13 2009
What cell phone did HE own on February 13 2009

WE need the map up that shows his home and Amber's home .. The cell tower that was located and the possible location of the Cell Phone Ping police already check out..
No more hold back on this info by LE .. This family needs to know exactly where police searched for that cell phone. Was it right outside this S.O. Door ?

I am so pissed today.. I can't even think straight .. We could have seen this guy apprehended had LE acted more on Abduction then blowing it all off to a runaway early on.
Chelsea would have still been alive.

Most important now is WHERE has he put Amber..

He shows patterns of Parks and he has taken victims home before.. Did he take Chelsea to his moms home ?? was she bound and held for time ? When police arrested him at the restaurant he had mud up to his knees.. how many hours after Chelsea went missing was that ? 48? what did he do with her in the meantime ?? was she murdered quick ? or as suggested bound and held.. did that happen to amber too ? Is that what the red truck seen in the video was doing ? Did LE lie about the red truck owner ?
So many questions still unanswered.. We will not get answers from him..


Finding Amber is high priority now that we have some idea of his pattern of behavior.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 03, 2010, 11:27:57 AM
I feel your frustration and anger today Edward.  I will work on map but have to get back to work so will post later if nobody else does.  Northern Rose is good at maps, maybe she can help. 

I was looking for the address of the cell tower and came across this post by you Edward.  I found it very interesting.  He obviously likes parks and lakes:

 Re: FBI poster - Photos - Maps
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2009, 03:03:12 PM »
 

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cell tower locations..

Also if the maroon pick up turns left from the bust stop parking lot driveway then they could have headed out past Daily Ranch which eventually ends up at a Park with a lake once they would have passed under hiway 15..


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5313.msg915753#msg915753


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:11:26 PM
Map of places we know JAG has lived and knowledge of as it relates to Amber. 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:14:22 PM
Neighbours of JAG's Grannie stated he was there at least twice a week to help her around the house.  Grannie has a large lake close that needs to be checked out.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 12:18:25 PM
I think it is safe to say all of us who have sat at our computers for hours on end, thought about this case as we try to work, consider how Amber could go missing in a group of people are today waking up and feeling much anger and frustration. I too am pissed off, mainly because we have all came pretty close to what probably has happened. I recall it was asked repeatedly if the RSO's been looked at and investigated, especially those between the ages of 20-45 as they are more likely to want a teenaged or preteen girl. WTH???? They had all of his information at their finger tips! Had they read about him and what the psych said they could have...We talked about lakes and the parks in the area, did they even look? WTH??? We got closer then anyone getting paid to do a job we trust them to do, but we are considered those who get in the way of an investigation. Pisses me off!!! I had a feeling that LE was not taking this seriously and they haven't. How dare they assume a girl such as Amber would simply run away. It obviously was such a stupid idea given her personality. So what made them just jump to that conclusion and not get off it?

It is time Escondido PD to get with it and start finding out what happened to this girl!!!

Bring Amber home now!


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:21:18 PM
Does Carrie know about this?  A light coloured sedan, the couple believes it was  JAG, 7:00am in the morning at Jesmond Dene Park watching girls run.  I am madder than I was yesterday and I did not think that was possible. 

http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 03, 2010, 12:22:42 PM
We need to know so much more about this guys life. We know he smoked and from the looks of his belly he did not look like he was physically fit. From what little we do know he abducts and rapes within two hours (1st rape happened during a movie).

I think garbage pick up by Amber's school was Thursday so if his complex was the same he would have risk her being found and tied to him to quickly. I think he learned well from the pedophiles in prison how to dispose of a body. I'm sure that's where he learn to pick runaway age girls. The police don't go looking for them. He may have kept Amber alive and taken her to his dump site for a repeat of his morning.  We will know more of how he kills when we read Chelsea's autopsy report.

In the next few days we should be finding out a bit about his background. I can't believe the news would just drop the story without more info.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
We need to know so much more about this guys life. We know he smoked and from the looks of his belly he did not look like he was physically fit. From what little we do know he abducts and rapes within two hours (1st rape happened during a movie).

I think garbage pick up by Amber's school was Thursday so if his complex was the same he would have risk her being found and tied to him to quickly. I think he learned well from the pedophiles in prison how to dispose of a body. I'm sure that's where he learn to pick runaway age girls. The police don't go looking for them. He may have kept Amber alive and taken her to his dump site for a repeat of his morning.  We will know more of how he kills when we read Chelsea's autopsy report.

In the next few days we should be finding out a bit about his background. I can't believe the news would just drop the story without more info.

I hate to say this, but the key piece he learned from prison is don't leave your victim alive and you don't have to serve time.  He never took responsibility for raping and beating the carp out of that poor child.  He is probably really pizzed SHE put him behind bars and has learned not to repeat that mistake.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 12:29:30 PM
He could have so easily driven up the 15 to her house...Good idea NorRose, thanks for the map.
Do we know what is wrong with his grandma? I read she moved out about 6 months ago? While living there, was she able to understand what was going on around her? Could she hear? Some of the questions that need an answer. Yes Lake Elisnore needs to be searched if not for Amber for many of the other children that are missing in So Cal.
His failed attempt in December could have set him off....I didn't like that the psych said he was a sociopath...that is not good. He has no regard and only wants to fufill his need to harm. Scary as hell.


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Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 12:31:41 PM
Does Carrie know about this?  A light coloured sedan, the couple believes it was  JAG, 7:00am in the morning at Jesmond Dene Park watching girls run.  I am madder than I was yesterday and I did not think that was possible. 

http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html

Hi Northern Rose!
Yes, Carrie is aware of this. Carrie had a raging cold which has turned into a raging sinus infection. She wants so bad to be out there right now but is sick in bed. If you saw her last night on Nancy Grace, you may have heard her hacking. I am really worried about her.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 12:33:30 PM
He could have so easily driven up the 15 to her house...Good idea NorRose, thanks for the map.
Do we know what is wrong with his grandma? I read she moved out about 6 months ago? While living there, was she able to understand what was going on around her? Could she hear? Some of the questions that need an answer. Yes Lake Elisnore needs to be searched if not for Amber for many of the other children that are missing in So Cal.
His failed attempt in December could have set him off....I didn't like that the psych said he was a sociopath...that is not good. He has no regard and only wants to fufill his need to harm. Scary as hell.

Tracygirl,
You have nanners


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 12:34:54 PM
We need to know so much more about this guys life. We know he smoked and from the looks of his belly he did not look like he was physically fit. From what little we do know he abducts and rapes within two hours (1st rape happened during a movie).

I think garbage pick up by Amber's school was Thursday so if his complex was the same he would have risk her being found and tied to him to quickly. I think he learned well from the pedophiles in prison how to dispose of a body. I'm sure that's where he learn to pick runaway age girls. The police don't go looking for them. He may have kept Amber alive and taken her to his dump site for a repeat of his morning.  We will know more of how he kills when we read Chelsea's autopsy report.

In the next few days we should be finding out a bit about his background. I can't believe the news would just drop the story without more info.

I hate to say this, but the key piece he learned from prison is don't leave your victim alive and you don't have to serve time.  He never took responsibility for raping and beating the carp out of that poor child.  He is probably really pizzed SHE put him behind bars and has learned not to repeat that mistake.

NorRose and Armchair, yes, exactly. You can see the pattern has been modified by looking at the 2000 attacks to the jogger and then to chelsea. Somewhere in the middle is what could have happened to Amber, and I am thinking many other girls.
Yes targeting aged groups that are possible runaways. How stupid of Le to assume and not investigate all missing persons. That needs to change!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 12:41:22 PM
Does Carrie know about this?  A light coloured sedan, the couple believes it was  JAG, 7:00am in the morning at Jesmond Dene Park watching girls run.  I am madder than I was yesterday and I did not think that was possible. 

http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html

Holy smokes are you kidding me!!!! WTH??? OMG I think I am going to blow a fuse! For crying out loud, someone at that police department has some explaining to do and needs to turn his/her badge!!!! I am beyond angry..what is beyond anger?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:43:39 PM
Reader comments

From: herbladySent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 01:10 PM
There are some up here who know him.
Some of his 'stuff' started up here as long ago as 1997.
The police need more info, that's all.

From: herbladySent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 01:29 PM
He was up here 2 years ago, against his parole.

From: GigiPSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 04:51 PM
He went to Rim, and was probably part of that group that duct taped high school girls and raped them at parties in the forest. If it had been dealt with then, this may not have happened. He is the same age as my sister, and they grabbed her and she heard someone say to duct tape her mouth before she screamed, so she screamed. That saved her but not other girls of this age group at Rim. Sorry, but that is why this is coming out. Prayers to the families.

From: herbladySent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 08:00 AM
He was/is QUITE charming when he wants to be, to get what he wants.Complain

From: ThatVideoGuySent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 09:06 AM
I graduated a year behind him, and sad to say, knew him. This guy has always been a monumental jerk, he's always been into younger girls, and I wouldn't be surprised if they found out he has a long laundry list of rape/disappearances tied to him.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/208/62641?page=0


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 01:09:08 PM
Suspect in killing of Chelsea King to appear in court

The registered sex offender suspected in the rape and murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King is scheduled to appear in court Wednesday afternoon for a hearing that may force prosecutors to reveal what led to his arrest.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, of Lake Elsinore, could face charges that include one or more special allegations that would make him eligible for the death penalty.

The 2:30 p.m. court appearance will be the culmination of a weeklong ordeal that has gripped the nation and led more than 6,000 volunteers to look for Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway High School student. She disappeared Thursday after going for a jog in the Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Authorities discovered a body in a shallow grave Tuesday near Lake Hodges, about a half-mile from where Chelsea had parked her car. San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said there is a “strong likelihood” that it is Chelsea and that the body would be positively identified on Wednesday.

Police are also investigating a vandalism incident at the Rancho Bernardo home of Gardner’s mother and stepfather. Someone using red spray paint wrote “Chelseas blood is on you” and “move out” on the garage door of their townhouse on Matinal Road about 5:40 a.m., San Diego police Sgt. Ray Battrick said.

Brent King, Chelsea’s father, struggled to maintain his composure Tuesday night as he stood before thousands at a somber candlelight vigil, just hours after authorities told him they believed the body found near the lake was probably his daughter’s.

“One of the nicknames that I’ve always called my daughter is ‘my angel,’ ” Brent King told those who gathered at St. Michael Catholic Church in Poway. “She’s my angel forever.”

He added: “Keep her spirit alive for us.”

A man then yelled from the crowd, “We love you!”

King, with his wife, Kelly, by his side, replied: “We love you, too.”

Gore said investigators discovered the body shortly after 1 p.m. Tuesday about 10 feet from a tributary that leads to the lake — an area that had been searched extensively and is about a half-mile from a parking lot where Chelsea’s car was found six days ago. He said a shoe had been recovered previously in the general area.

The Medical Examiner’s Office confirmed that the body was removed from the area later Tuesday.

Gore said the girl’s parents were devastated when he informed them.

“They were holding out hope, as we all were, that we would find Chelsea alive, and this was our worst fear that we would find her as we did today,” he said.

Shortly after Gore’s announcement Tuesday, two Poway High students stood outside the school crying and hugging each other.

“I had so much hope for her,” said Leandra Lyons, 15, a sophomore. “I was just hoping by the end of the week we’d have some good news.”

Nicole Belanger, 16, a sophomore, said she was in shock.

“Just to hear that it’s one of our own people at our own school, it could have been any of us,” she said. “I’ve just got to take this as God had a plan for her and took her for some reason.”

Throughout the campus, students wore orange T-shirts, hair ribbons and yarn bracelets in honor of Chelsea. Some bracelets had sayings attached that were taken from quotes posted by Chelsea around her house. The color-coordinated tribute was organized by students via Facebook, MySpace and text messages forwarded among friends.

At the Chelsea King Search Center in Rancho Bernardo, the day’s events elicited similar emotions.

“It’s heartbreaking,” said Dawn Davis, senior case manager for the Laura Recovery Center, a Texas-based organization that helped coordinate the local search. “We all hoped and prayed that Chelsea would come home to her family.”

The center attracted about 1,500 people each day for the past four days, some from as far away as Oregon. They were sent out in teams of 20 to search ravines, orchards and other places in a 10-mile radius around Lake Hodges.

The investigation into Gardner widened in recent days as authorities linked him to a December assault and probed whether he had a role in last year’s disappearance of an Escondido teenager.

San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins said Gardner has been connected to a Dec. 27 attack on a female jogger in the same park, but it was not through DNA evidence. He declined to say how the link was made, but said they were working with police in Colorado Springs, Colo., where the jogger lives.

Over the weekend, the San Diego police crime lab had rushed to test a DNA swab taken from the elbow of the victim of the December attack. It did not have Gardner’s DNA, only the victim’s, Collins said.

The 22-year-old jogger told officers she had used her bare elbow to knock her assailant in the face, possibly breaking his nose.

“We thought we could get something good on that, but unfortunately not,” Collins said.

The DNA sample was not tested earlier because it was considered an attempted robbery, which is not as high on the crime lab’s priority list as other violent crimes, Collins said. As of December, the lab’s DNA unit was dealing with a backlog of about 500 cases.

Gardner is also under investigation for possible involvement in the case of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009.

As recently as November 2009, Gardner registered as a sex offender at an Escondido address two miles from the school.

People living at the Rock Springs East condominiums said they were shocked to learn Gardner had lived in their building.

A woman with small children who lived next door to Gardner and recognized him from photos posted online over the past few days said he lived with a blond woman and two toddlers.


The former neighbor, who didn’t want to give her name, said teenagers, both male and female, often came over to play video games at Gardner’s apartment. She said she could hear the loud games through the walls.

She and other neighbors said Gardner had moved out about six months ago.


In 2000, Gardner was convicted of a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment after he took a 13-year-old neighbor girl to his mother’s home in Rancho Bernardo. The girl accused him of repeatedly punching her in the face and touching her private parts.

A psychiatrist who interviewed him in that case said he would be a “continued danger to underage girls” because of the lack of remorse for his actions.

Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more-violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. He was sentenced to six years in prison as part of a plea agreement and served five years before he was released in September 2005. He completed probation in 2008.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/03/suspect-in-chelsea-king-killing-to-appear-in-court/


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 01:31:27 PM
RSO are not supposed to live with children...another job well done! You know this isn't hyne site, this is what was supposed to be and what we trust our LE to do.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 02:13:04 PM
Find the Blond woman and identify the kids.. are they ..missing ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 02:20:56 PM
Notes from above news article.

As recently as November 2009, Gardner registered as a sex offender....

Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009.

Those dates do not match up... ??
He registers almost 9 months later in Escondido

Yet, Scared monkeys members record him as S.O. and posts it in july of 2009 ..
5 months later... ?




 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 02:33:40 PM
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Okay, I actually went to High School with John and was friends with some of the people he was friends with, and here's what I can tell you

He's a Rim of the World High School grad, class of '97. I've seen a few people leave comments about how they went to High School with him and that he was a "creep" then, but the fact of the matter is, he was seen as nice, charasmatic, and was VERY well liked. No one who knew him could believe the charges against him in 2000. He had people lined up to be character witnesses for him in court, but eventually admitted that he'd done it. We were all SHOCKED when we heard what a monster he truly was. It just goes to show that you don't truly know anyone.


From what I know of his former girlfriends (one of which he has twin boys with) they were both very small and petite-- just like the girls he's been attacking.

As for the twins, this shouldn't be seen as a huge thing, as from what I understand he's had no contact with them for quite some time. And she did know about his past, but this person is pretty much the sweetest, kindest most optimistic person in the world, and if there was anyone who could still see "good" in someone like him, it was her. Please don't judge her. She also knew him before the incident in 2000, and, like I said, if you knew John then, you didn't just know him as the child killer he is now. She just chose to believe in the facade, not his true self.

As for the 'roid rage theory, I doubt it. He seems to have fluxuated in neck size, but I think that has more to do with the pictures than him. He'd always been a beefy guy in the neck area... he's kind of built like a football player. He also doesn't really look like the guy in the Walmart video and it's kind of too young for his M.O. but I guess it's possible.

All I can say is that there is one saving grace in this tragedy, and that is that he left evidence behind and that he'll never be able to do this again. I cried when I heard they found Chelsea's body. Hopefully this case will change the way sexual preditors are processed in the system.  (From WS)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 02:39:28 PM
Find the Blond woman and identify the kids.. are they ..missing ?

The Blond is his ex the kids are his twins.  It was posted on Chelsea's thread.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 02:40:58 PM
Notes from above news article.

As recently as November 2009, Gardner registered as a sex offender....

Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009.

Those dates do not match up... ??
He registers almost 9 months later in Escondido

Yet, Scared monkeys members record him as S.O. and posts it in july of 2009 ..
5 months later... ?




 

Edward I think the reporter made a mistake or didn't write it understandably. I have read previously he changed his registration from Escondido to Lake Elsinore in Novemeber of 2009 which is more along the lines of what you posted. The reporter I think means he was registered then and then changed it to lake Elsinore?   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html

If you read about this attempted abduction in Lake Elsinore, it took place at 7:10 am, the exact time that Amber disappeared!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 04:01:51 PM
This happened on 7:10 the morning of Wednesday Oct 28th, 2009....The sketch looks like him. Same MO as what could have happened to Amber. Only thing it doesn't say the age. She was walking to a friends home.

SD suspect - LE abduction attempt linked?


 
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11:57 AM PST on Wednesday, March 3, 2010

By SARAH BURGE
The Press-Enterprise
 

Lake Elsinore police are investigating whether the sex offender arrested in the killing of a 17-year-old San Diego County girl might have tried to kidnap a girl in Lake Elsinore in October.

John Albert Gardner III, a resident of the unincorporated Lakeland Village neighborhood near Lake Elsinore, was arrested Sunday in Escondido on suspicion of rape and murder in the disappearance of Chelsea King. San Diego County Sheriff's Department officials said Tuesday that they found a body in a shallow grave near the shoreline of Lake Hodges that they believe is Chelsea.

The attempted abduction in Lake Elsinore was reported Oct. 28. A girl told police she was walking to a friend's house about 7:10 a.m. in the 32900 block of Machado Street when she was approached by a man in a gold, 1990s four-door sedan. The man asked the girl for directions and, after a brief conversation, he showed the girl a gun and demanded that she get into his car, police said at the time. The girl refused and ran away.

Story continues below
 
Special to The Press-Enterprise
Lake Elsinore police are investigating a connection between an attempted abduction of a Lakeland Village girl in October 2009 and the disappearance and slaying of Chelsea King of San Diego County. At left is an artist sketch of the suspect in the Lakeland Village incident. At right is John Albert Gardner III, the suspect in the Chelsea King case.
Police released a sketch in October of the man, who was described as 30 to 35 years old, unshaven with a fair complexion, brown eyes and a blond crew cut.

After Gardner was arrested this week, police received a tip that he might be responsible for the October abduction attempt, said Police Chief Joe Cleary. So far, investigators have not positively linked Gardner to the case, Cleary said.

"There are similarities," Cleary said. "If there is a connection, we will track it down," Cleary said.

Cleary said Gardner notified authorities of his new address on Gillette Street in Lakeland Village in January as part of the sex offender registration requirements.

Reach Sarah Burge at 951-375-3736 or sburge@PE.com


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 04:18:31 PM
gold, 1990s four-door sedan.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sweet_Justice on March 03, 2010, 04:44:18 PM
Just got back from school. I've thought about Amber's case all day. I have a couple thoughts. Let me know what you guys think.

Since the beginning I have found it odd that Amber was said to have been abducted right in front of the high school. I know this area well. During the morning hours the front of Escondido High, Rincon Middle School, and North Broadway Elementary are very busy. I used to live on Vista Ave and let me tell you the middle school traffic was horrendous in the mornings. I find it much more plausible that she was abducted on her way to school. I can’t imagine her being overpowered in an area with that much traffic. JAG’s M.O. seems to be secluded areas. There are lots of those on the rural roads Amber used to get to school.

Also, I wanted to point out a major lake in Escondido...if it hasn't already been discussed. Lake Dixon is within 15mins of both Amber's school (said abduction location) and JAG's Rock Springs address.

There is also a location that is very close to JAG’s Escondido residence that I think is worth checking out.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 03, 2010, 04:55:19 PM
I was just looking into that and found it was discussed early on in the threads.

About 3 miles from the High School
http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/glance/lakes/dixon/index.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 03, 2010, 04:57:48 PM
School on Broadway to the Lake
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=1535%20North%20Broadway%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%E2%80%8E%20to%201700%20La%20Honda%20Dr%2C%20Escondido%2C%20San%20Diego%2C%20California%2092027


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 04:59:31 PM
The street she lived on connects to vista..
She would come down a quiet street and turn left and walk down vista towards the school.


Also back in this thread there was a body found in jesmond dean park.. culprit never found.

There was also an attempted abduction in a parking lot in Escondido


We need to go back through these pages in Amber's thread and separate all the items to get a perspective on all the possible involvements of this guy.

I started to sub categorize the thread but I do not have the amount of time to Read the currant cases and do research let alone go back and separate.
I think in the future we should sub categorize soon after a thread is started.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 05:02:36 PM
Ok fellow sleuths lets do a little project. I am going to assume the lake Elsinore attempt in October 2009 is another attempt by this monster.

So we have 2000 he takes a 14 year old girl before school. A girl he knew and was able to identify him

He goes to jail until 2005

From 2005 to 2009 we have nothing that we have put up or been told about from other sources.

Feb 2009 Amber goes missing at 7:10ish, if it was him he got away with it, this worked for him

The next known attempt was Oct 2009 at 7:10ish a girl walking alone to her friends house is approached by who she says is the same person. He is driving a gold color small car. She said it was Gardner.

November 2009 supposedly he is spotted at a parking lot at a park not far from the school that Amber went missing. He was watching young joggers go by and it was so obviously creepy a couple called it in. They gave the description of the car as being a light colored small car. They also have said it was Gardner

December 2009 a jogger is approached at a trail, was this in the morning? I don't recall. He pounces on her, no warning, nothing. She fights back and runs away. She said it was Gardner

Feb 2009 Chelsea is jogging on the same trail in the afternoon hours and it is assumed he raped and killed her.

Did I miss anything?

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 05:04:50 PM
Body of woman found in the park is in the first thread with 99 pages to read.. omg  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 05:05:13 PM
I see Edward and I are trying to share the same brain today. Can you please post information on the Jesmon dean thing? I don't recall it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sweet_Justice on March 03, 2010, 05:07:37 PM
Oh my goodness. I remember this story. Jesmond dean park...this man is a monster. He seems to leave his victims in the area he assaults them...if this crime is in fact connected to him.
I have no words.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 05:11:00 PM
February 16, 2008 date of article..

Missing Escondido mom found dead
The body of an Escondido woman missing for two months was found at a park, according to police, who have called her death suspicious.

Martha Lopez Perez, 43, was last seen Dec. 13 at around 3 p.m. inside the AMVETS Thrift Store, 2085 E. Valley Parkway. When she did not return home that evening, her family reported her missing.

On Feb. 9, Perez's body was discovered at Jesmond Dene Park on North Broadway, near Rincon Avenue, in Escondido. She was positively identified by the medical examiner this week.

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2008/02/missing_escondido_woman_found.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 05:11:00 PM
Nutt, how do I find missing females ages 11to 25 in the counties of San Bernardino, Riverside, Orange and San Diego Counties other then on missingkids, the filters are not working for me today. Would you mind helping me? TIA



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sweet_Justice on March 03, 2010, 05:13:53 PM
Oh my goodness. I remember this story. Jesmond dean park...this man is a monster. He seems to leave his victims in the area he assaults them...if this crime is in fact connected to him.
I have no words.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 05:14:24 PM
February 16, 2008 date of article..

Missing Escondido mom found dead
The body of an Escondido woman missing for two months was found at a park, according to police, who have called her death suspicious.

Martha Lopez Perez, 43, was last seen Dec. 13 at around 3 p.m. inside the AMVETS Thrift Store, 2085 E. Valley Parkway. When she did not return home that evening, her family reported her missing.

On Feb. 9, Perez's body was discovered at Jesmond Dene Park on North Broadway, near Rincon Avenue, in Escondido. She was positively identified by the medical examiner this week.

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2008/02/missing_escondido_woman_found.html

On Dec. 13, Hernandez had dropped off Perez at the AMVETS store at 10:30 a.m. She was seen making her purchases about 2:50 p.m. and then leaving the store. Her family called police when she didn't return home.

Perez made a living buying items at thrift stores and reselling them at swap meets.

Anyone with information about the case is asked to call Escondido police Detectives John O'Donnell at (760) 839-4756 or Miguel Ramirez at (760) 839-4925. Anonymous information can be left at (760) 743-TIPS.

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080217-9999-1mc17perez.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sweet_Justice on March 03, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
The attempted abduction in the Escondido parking lot wouldn't have anything to do with an Albertson's shopping center would it?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 05:32:18 PM
I just remember the abduction attempt and tried to associate it to the Perez murder in the jesmondene park.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 03, 2010, 05:38:00 PM
I see Edward and I are trying to share the same brain today. Can you please post information on the Jesmon dean thing? I don't recall it.

If this is the same one.... ? body found in Feb. 2008
http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2008/02/missing_escondido_woman_found.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 05:49:55 PM
Do you think it could be connected, she is a bit older then what we have discovered so far. Does she look young? Do you have a pic of her?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 06:13:51 PM
Ambers dad just did a news conference. He did good. I am glad the family is on TV. Strike when the iron is hot..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sweet_Justice on March 03, 2010, 06:18:40 PM
Yes I am watching our local news now. He was very gracious. He said he wanted today to be about Chelsea and chose not comment on why he thinks Amber did not receive as much attention. I read in the Chelsea thread that Carrie and Moe will be on Larry King tonight.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 03, 2010, 06:18:45 PM
Here is a case not so new, and the suspect has not been caught..
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/jvs10-0128.htm

Date/Time Written: January 28, 2010 / 11:30 a.m.
Type of Incident: Attempted Kidnapping
Date/Time of Incident: January 28, 2010 / 8:15 a.m.
Location(s) of Incident: 5700 Block of Mission Boulevard
Reporting Officer: Sergeant John Sawyer
File Number:  E100280042

Details:
On Thursday, January 28, 2010, at about 8:45 a.m., deputies from the Jurupa Valley Station responded to a report of an attempted kidnapping involving a 12-year-old female middle school student.

The investigation revealed that the victim was walking alone through a commercial parking lot in the 5700 block of Mission Boulevard, Rubidoux, on her way to a local middle school. The suspect drove up to the victim, exited his vehicle, and ordered the victim to get into his vehicle. The suspect grabbed the victim’s arm, but she was able to break free from the suspect and ran to a nearby residence to call the police. The suspect fled the location in an unknown direction of travel.

The suspect is described as a Hispanic male adult with a dark complexion. The suspect is approximately 40 years old, 5' 10” with a medium build, dark brown or black hair, and a full beard. The suspect spoke English with a heavy Hispanic accent. The suspect was last seen wearing a blue buttoned-up shirt, black jeans, and either a dark green or possibly black colored baseball-style cap.

The suspect’s vehicle is described as an older model white, full-sized pickup truck, unknown make or model. The truck had multiple dents and scratches on the exterior, and a gray metal toolbox installed in the bed of the truck behind the cab.

 
Composite Sketch  View Larger Map

The investigation into this crime is continuing. Anyone with additional information regarding this incident is asked to contact Deputy Tom Davis at the Jurupa Valley Station at (951) 955-2600. After hours and on weekends, the on-duty Watch Commander can be reached at (951) 776-1099.

The Riverside Sheriff’s Department would like to remind all citizens to be aware of their surroundings and report any suspicious activity, including any vehicles or persons, to law enforcement. Parents of school-aged children are encouraged to escort their children to school when possible. Those children that walk to school are urged to do so in groups to best ensure their safety.

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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 03, 2010, 06:20:45 PM
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/jvs10-0128.htm

Picture of attempted kidnap suspect


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 03, 2010, 06:45:45 PM
I just watched the arraignment on TV. He is tan (very tan) and buff. This guy has been doing some out door living to be this tan. He pleads not guilty. I did listen to Ambers dad talk he is up set that they did not look for his daughter like this, but does not wish to talk about at this time. I just hope they stay on the job and continue to look.

Edward I will read the first 50 pages if you read the last 50 I let you know what I come up with.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 03, 2010, 06:47:51 PM
If anyone is bored, I was looking for the suspect in the indecent exposure in vista, I saw a vehicle by in riverside resembling it while I was looking for the guy above responsible for attempting to abduct a 12 year old near mission boulevard in rubidoux.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 06:55:01 PM

Good story on Tracking Sex Offenders in San Diego Co-

http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html

My Gosh, they said 427 registered sex offenders are transients with no address listed.

Also, SO registers his address, but not concurrent addresses. Therefore, he could list LE and still live in RB and elsewhere


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 06:57:10 PM
February 16, 2008 date of article..

Missing Escondido mom found dead
The body of an Escondido woman missing for two months was found at a park, according to police, who have called her death suspicious.

Martha Lopez Perez, 43, was last seen Dec. 13 at around 3 p.m. inside the AMVETS Thrift Store, 2085 E. Valley Parkway. When she did not return home that evening, her family reported her missing.

On Feb. 9, Perez's body was discovered at Jesmond Dene Park on North Broadway, near Rincon Avenue, in Escondido. She was positively identified by the medical examiner this week.

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2008/02/missing_escondido_woman_found.html

On Dec. 13, Hernandez had dropped off Perez at the AMVETS store at 10:30 a.m. She was seen making her purchases about 2:50 p.m. and then leaving the store. Her family called police when she didn't return home.

Perez made a living buying items at thrift stores and reselling them at swap meets.

Anyone with information about the case is asked to call Escondido police Detectives John O'Donnell at (760) 839-4756 or Miguel Ramirez at (760) 839-4925. Anonymous information can be left at (760) 743-TIPS.

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080217-9999-1mc17perez.html

Is this the same park that the couple spotted a man matching Gardner watching young girls jog?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 06:58:45 PM
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/jvs10-0128.htm

Picture of attempted kidnap suspect

Doesn't match Gardner. He is 6'2 and 230. thanks for posting it. We need to go through all of this and try to figure out who he victimizes, where and when.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 03, 2010, 07:25:04 PM
Do you think it could be connected, she is a bit older then what we have discovered so far. Does she look young? Do you have a pic of her?
(http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071229/images/missing140.jpg)
Martha Lopez Perez, 43 ...no, I really doubt there is a connection.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 07:28:40 PM
I have never understood WHY " Isecuretrac ankle bracelet " was never implemented NATION WIDE on all new release from prison and while on parole.
The just make all S.O. on parole for life. ::MonkeyWink::

It costs the county about 58.00 per Day to keep an inmate in jail and the monitor costs 35.00 or so per Month to monitor them while they are out. 
A 24 hour a day monitored location of the released prisoner. It has other options too.

Been available for the last 7 or more years and works great..
Martha Stewart umm..  wore one.

She should not have had to wear one because She was NOT Violent, but Violent criminals should HAVE to for years after release.

http://www.isecuretrac.com/



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 07:37:33 PM
Do you think it could be connected, she is a bit older then what we have discovered so far. Does she look young? Do you have a pic of her?
(http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071229/images/missing140.jpg)
Martha Lopez Perez, 43 ...no, I really doubt there is a connection.

IF It was .. It would have been about robbery and murder..
Part of his MO. is about robbery. He would have been just released and living with the g/f and with kids and needed money.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 07:40:02 PM
I am just looking at all relative crimes committed in Escondido.
There are others but not relative at all.. this one is on the edge of possible.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 08:19:13 PM
Do you think he put Amber in the same area as he did Chelsea ? The water level was probably different in february 13 2009 then it is now.. But .. Is he comfortable with that area ?

It appears Her body is just a short distance from where her car was found on a map..
How far exactly is it ??


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 08:32:35 PM
Do you think he put Amber in the same area as he did Chelsea ? The water level was probably different in february 13 2009 then it is now.. But .. Is he comfortable with that area ?

It appears Her body is just a short distance from where her car was found on a map..
How far exactly is it ??

about 1 mile


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 08:36:24 PM
Do you think he put Amber in the same area as he did Chelsea ? The water level was probably different in february 13 2009 then it is now.. But .. Is he comfortable with that area ?

It appears Her body is just a short distance from where her car was found on a map..
How far exactly is it ??

about 1 mile

I take that back.  The car is about 1/2 mile from where Chelsea was found.  Mama's house is about 1 mile.  When he lived in Escondido with the g/f and twins, he was about 1 mile from where Amber went missing. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 08:36:28 PM
Amber's dad is on Nancy Grace right now.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 08:44:42 PM
Do you think he put Amber in the same area as he did Chelsea ? The water level was probably different in february 13 2009 then it is now.. But .. Is he comfortable with that area ?

It appears Her body is just a short distance from where her car was found on a map..
How far exactly is it ??

I personally believe he put her body at the most easiest and closest place to where he would have attacked her. If he brought her back to his moms, then lake hodges should be checked.  If he took her to Lake Elsenor, then look there. If he stayed in Escondido, then it seems given he was seen at that park, maybe that park is where. I say search all 3, but this is with information that we have now on the 4 other attemps. I have a feeling there are more.

Moe Dubois said on Nancy Grace they are going to look for a live amber. Does this mean they are not going to look for a non living Amber? I hope they look for both. LE has so, no excuses.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 08:51:15 PM
Camarillo too far away?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 08:54:23 PM
Camarillo too far away?

Camarillo in on the other side of Los Angeles, maybe 2 or 3 ours from San Diego?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 08:59:12 PM
It seems that we know of cases in California which have taken place in the fall/winter times of the year that match up so far...What about spring and summer? Is he only willing to kidnap during this time of the year or is he in another state during then?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 09:04:32 PM
I have to say I am not sure where to post some of the other cases I feel need to be looked at for a connection to Gardner. Should we post them here? In Chelsea's? Should we have a separate thread?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 09:12:52 PM
It seems that we know of cases in California which have taken place in the fall/winter times of the year that match up so far...What about spring and summer? Is he only willing to kidnap during this time of the year or is he in another state during then?

We know he lived in Running Springs when he went to High School.  He graduated in 1997 and there is a report that he was charge with causing a disturbance around RIM High in 1998.   There is also a comment that he broke probation and was seen in that area in 2008.  Grannie lives in Lake Elsinore.  Mom has a house at 17559 Matinal Road San Diego.  She also lived/owns a house at 9325 W Pebble Brook Ln, Boise, ID.  www.sos.idaho.gov/elect/finance/2002/oct10/Gov_Brady_3.pdf  He lived in Escondido with the g/f and twins.

He has a lot of areas that he would feel comfortable in. 





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 09:13:55 PM
Larry King on now talking about the Chelsea case, the family of Amber will be on as well.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 09:15:03 PM
It seems that we know of cases in California which have taken place in the fall/winter times of the year that match up so far...What about spring and summer? Is he only willing to kidnap during this time of the year or is he in another state during then?

We know he lived in Running Springs when he went to High School.  He graduated in 1997 and there is a report that he was charge with causing a disturbance around RIM High in 1998.   There is also a comment that he broke probation and was seen in that area in 2008.  Grannie lives in Lake Elsinore.  Mom has a house at 17559 Matinal Road San Diego.  She also lived/owns a house at 9325 W Pebble Brook Ln, Boise, ID.  www.sos.idaho.gov/elect/finance/2002/oct10/Gov_Brady_3.pdf  He lived in Escondido with the g/f and twins.

He has a lot of areas that he would feel comfortable in. 





I wonder if he worked out of state or another area during the spring and summer seasons.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 09:15:34 PM
It seems that we know of cases in California which have taken place in the fall/winter times of the year that match up so far...What about spring and summer? Is he only willing to kidnap during this time of the year or is he in another state during then?

We know he lived in Running Springs when he went to High School.  He graduated in 1997 and there is a report that he was charge with causing a disturbance around RIM High in 1998.   There is also a comment that he broke probation and was seen in that area in 2008.  Grannie lives in Lake Elsinore.  Mom has a house at 17559 Matinal Road San Diego.  She also lived/owns a house at 9325 W Pebble Brook Ln, Boise, ID.  www.sos.idaho.gov/elect/finance/2002/oct10/Gov_Brady_3.pdf  He lived in Escondido with the g/f and twins.

He has a lot of areas that he would feel comfortable in. 


FYI  Mom also goes by Barbara

Dr. Ronald J. and Dr. Barbara (Brin) O'Reilly
sspa.boisestate.edu


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 09:17:18 PM
100 mile radius of Boise? I cant' figure out how to do that with Google maps, anyone else?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 09:33:19 PM
100 mile radius of Boise? I cant' figure out how to do that with Google maps, anyone else?

as close as I could get



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 09:33:21 PM
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/
There is an article on here that Ambers Grandmother wrote. I have not read it yet.

Carrie did really well. I am so sorry that Ambers family is facing this. I know I sound harsh, telling them to do this and that, I hope they know I just want to help.

BBL, I need a break


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 09:41:12 PM
March 3, 2010
A grandmother’s anguish
Posted: 10:01 PM ET
14-year-old Amber Dubois went missing last year in Escondido, California while on her way to school.  The last person to hear from Amber was her grandmother, Shelia Welch, who shared her story with Larry King Live blog.

I woke up on Friday, February 13, 2009 when a text message came in on my cell phone, which I keep by my bed.

It was from my 14 year old granddaughter, Amber Leeanne Dubois.  I read it and smiled.  I wish that I had dialed her phone and talked to her instead of just being pleased to get a text.  It was text #70 between us for that week.  It was the last time ANYONE heard from Amber.

Half an hour later, two people said they saw her just yards away from her high school.  Then, in just a few seconds, she disappeared.   

It was a really special day for Amber because she was a proud member of FFA (Future Farmers of America) and she was to get her lamb that morning.  In her pack back was the check for the lamb and valentines for her friends.  She had a cell phone which I provided in there, too.  She was excited and happy, a good student with a perfect attendance, an avid reader and a lover of all animals, but, especially wolves, an interest we both shared.

GONE. How could that be?   

At first, since I had her little sister with me and we were 86 miles away,  I stayed with her while my daughter, Carrie, searched everywhere for Amber and called for help from the local police.  They did not put out an Amber Alert because no one saw her disappear.  They did not put up roadblocks. They did not bring helicopters or drones.  They did not bring dogs to scent for her.  She was 14 and they made the bad assumption that she was a runaway.  She was not.  She was a VICTIM.

She is still missing after more than a year.  What would be the result if the police had done for Amber what was done for Chelsea [King]?  While I grieve for the loss of Chelsea, I cannot escape the thought that the results would have been different had the same efforts been made for Amber.

Although we have searched in a multitude of ways to find our beloved Amber, those first crucial hours were wasted and Amber has been paying an enormous price for that.  How many children are going to suffer in the days to come for "failures to act?" – whether it is to search for the missing or to keep sex offenders like [John] Gardner in jail?

Sheila Welch

Amber's Grandmom

(http://cnnlarrykinglive.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/grandma12.jpg?w=292&h=219)

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/03/a-grandmother%e2%80%99s-anguish/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 03, 2010, 09:57:15 PM
BODY FOUND AT LAKE HODGES BELIEVED TO BE CHELSEA KING
Suspect may also be linked to Amber Dubois disappearance


March 2, 2010 (Rancho Bernardo) – A body has been found by authorities in a shallow grave near the water’s edge at Lake Hodges. In a press conference at 4 p.m. today, Sheriff Bill Gore said, “There is a strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea.” Poway High School honor student Chelsea King went missing while jogging around Lake Hodges.

The County medical examiner’s office has been called. The body was found near where other evidence was also recovered, authorities have indicated.
 
John Gardner, the convicted sex offender in custody on suspicion of rape and murder of King, was previously convicted for lewd and lascivious acts involving a 13-year-old girl.
 
Now authorities have learned that Gardener was living within two miles of Escondido High School when Amber Dubois went missing while walking to the school over a year ago. Sheriff’s officials are investigating whether Gardner may also be responsible for the disappearance of Dubois.

http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/2859

"Now authorities have learned..." NOW - NOW???!!!  John Gardner's address at the time of Amber's disappearance was in Escondido....this is so sick and wrong...

I can not imagine what you and the family are going through right now.  It is more than wrong.  One strike when it comes to sexual predators.  A nice big bright tattoo across the face so they can be identified from a block away and as Edward suggested,  cut off both thumbs and big toes so they can not run and can not grab. 

I suggest something else be cut off also...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 03, 2010, 10:11:10 PM
JAG could have easily abducted Amber on Broadway drove to the light at El Norte Parkway driven two blocks up to Nordahl turned left and a few blocks down Nordahl is at Rock (what ever I can't remember that name) left or right. He could have raped and killed her at his apartment and transported her body in the evening. She could be in lake on his way to his grandmothers.

He does have an MO for at home rape.

What should be considered is, he disposed of chelsea's body in the quickest and easiest way possible, the shoreline was the easiest way to do it for that crime. If he took amber back to his apartment, what is the easiest and fastest way he could have disposed (sorry) of her body? His MO could be to do something fast and easy. Has any landfills been checked. What day of the week does trash get picked up in that area? Is there a dumpster near the apartment he lived in?
I would also have the police check back at any reports in that apartment complex regarding loud noises, smells or anything really within a week of Amber going missing.
 

From what I understand - Searchers looked for the telltale signs of buzzards circling in the sky for (forgive me) carnage...these signs were not evident in the early days searching for my niece...however...seeing JAG comfort zone at Lake Hodges...I wonder and question...considering the wet and colder atmosphere - would there be the same clues from nature?  Do buzzards only prey in dry - desert areas or also "wetlands"  I don't know...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 03, 2010, 10:53:44 PM
If a person's body was placed in a bag and then buried in the shore, is it possible for an animal to detect it? I was reading a psychic's prediction about amber's disappearance, I don't believe it is true what he says, but it would be kind of hard for any animal even if it was a cadaver dog, but im not sure.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 03, 2010, 10:53:49 PM
The street she lived on connects to vista..
She would come down a quiet street and turn left and walk down vista towards the school.


Also back in this thread there was a body found in jesmond dean park.. culprit never found.

There was also an attempted abduction in a parking lot in Escondido


We need to go back through these pages in Amber's thread and separate all the items to get a perspective on all the possible involvements of this guy.

I started to sub categorize the thread but I do not have the amount of time to Read the currant cases and do research let alone go back and separate.
I think in the future we should sub categorize soon after a thread is started.


True Edward (sorry if this has already been covered) as I recall there was an attempted abduction very near EHS just prior to Amber's abduction - a woman of the very similar type as Amber...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 04, 2010, 12:02:01 AM
  http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/ind10-0126.htm

i am seeing a lot of similiarities between John albert Gardner and STANLEY RICHARD HOWEN. MR. HOWEN has used a vacant lot in desert hot springs as his address and has been in violation since APRIL 2008. HOWEN looks very similar to me, to a suspect in the indecent exposure case in BERMUDA DUNES. Please take a look. Howen has committed lewd and lascivious acts against children under 14 in 1995 in SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY.

RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
Sheriff Stanley Sniff
Indio Station

PRESS RELEASE   

Date/Time Written: 1/26/10; 6:15 PM
Type of Incident: Indecent Exposure
Date/Time of Incident: 1/26/10; 3:30 PM
Location(s) of Incident: 42nd Avenue West of Lima Hall Road, Bermuda Dunes
Reporting Officer: Lt. Terrence Tingle #1200
File Number:  C10026051
 
Suspect Composite 
Details:
The Riverside County Sheriff’s Department would like the public’s help in identifying a man who exposed himself to two girls on 42nd Avenue, west of Lima Hall Road, Bermuda Dunes.

The man, whom the girls do not know, was outside a car parked in an alley off 42nd Avenue when he exposed himself, causing the girls to run away. Deputies checked the area but did not find the suspect, though the officers did locate a resident who saw the man and his car, but did not see the crime.

The following is based on the descriptions provided by the victims and the resident:

Suspect: White male, about 30-35 years, with messy, thinning/receding hair. Gray T-shirt and khaki pants (unknown if shorts or long pants).
Vehicle: Silver four-door, possibly a newer Toyota Corolla.
If anyone has information about this crime, we ask that they call Investigator Denise Ward at (760) 863-8946.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 04, 2010, 12:14:46 AM
BERMUDA DUNES INDECENT EXPOSURE REPORT (1/26/2010) WITH SUSPECT PHOTO, POSSIBLY LINKED TO RICHARD STANLEY HOWEN (04/16/1963)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 12:59:51 AM
The street she lived on connects to vista..
She would come down a quiet street and turn left and walk down vista towards the school.


Also back in this thread there was a body found in jesmond dean park.. culprit never found.

There was also an attempted abduction in a parking lot in Escondido


We need to go back through these pages in Amber's thread and separate all the items to get a perspective on all the possible involvements of this guy.

I started to sub categorize the thread but I do not have the amount of time to Read the currant cases and do research let alone go back and separate.
I think in the future we should sub categorize soon after a thread is started.


True Edward (sorry if this has already been covered) as I recall there was an attempted abduction very near EHS just prior to Amber's abduction - a woman of the very similar type as Amber...

I am interested in this, do you or another poster have more information?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 01:19:58 AM
March 3, 2010
A grandmother’s anguish
Posted: 10:01 PM ET
14-year-old Amber Dubois went missing last year in Escondido, California while on her way to school.  The last person to hear from Amber was her grandmother, Shelia Welch, who shared her story with Larry King Live blog.

I woke up on Friday, February 13, 2009 when a text message came in on my cell phone, which I keep by my bed.

It was from my 14 year old granddaughter, Amber Leeanne Dubois.  I read it and smiled.  I wish that I had dialed her phone and talked to her instead of just being pleased to get a text.  It was text #70 between us for that week.  It was the last time ANYONE heard from Amber.

Half an hour later, two people said they saw her just yards away from her high school.  Then, in just a few seconds, she disappeared.   

It was a really special day for Amber because she was a proud member of FFA (Future Farmers of America) and she was to get her lamb that morning.  In her pack back was the check for the lamb and valentines for her friends.  She had a cell phone which I provided in there, too.  She was excited and happy, a good student with a perfect attendance, an avid reader and a lover of all animals, but, especially wolves, an interest we both shared.

GONE. How could that be?   

At first, since I had her little sister with me and we were 86 miles away,  I stayed with her while my daughter, Carrie, searched everywhere for Amber and called for help from the local police.  They did not put out an Amber Alert because no one saw her disappear.  They did not put up roadblocks. They did not bring helicopters or drones.  They did not bring dogs to scent for her.  She was 14 and they made the bad assumption that she was a runaway.  She was not.  She was a VICTIM.

She is still missing after more than a year.  What would be the result if the police had done for Amber what was done for Chelsea [King]?  While I grieve for the loss of Chelsea, I cannot escape the thought that the results would have been different had the same efforts been made for Amber.

Although we have searched in a multitude of ways to find our beloved Amber, those first crucial hours were wasted and Amber has been paying an enormous price for that.  How many children are going to suffer in the days to come for "failures to act?" – whether it is to search for the missing or to keep sex offenders like [John] Gardner in jail?

Sheila Welch

Amber's Grandmom

(http://cnnlarrykinglive.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/grandma12.jpg?w=292&h=219)

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/03/a-grandmother%e2%80%99s-anguish/


*Tears* I don't know Ambers Grandmother, never spoke or emailed her, I know her through her writtings. she seems like such an amazing woman who loves her granddaughter very much. Your words touch me so deeply.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 01:32:03 AM
The street she lived on connects to vista..
She would come down a quiet street and turn left and walk down vista towards the school.


Also back in this thread there was a body found in jesmond dean park.. culprit never found.

There was also an attempted abduction in a parking lot in Escondido


We need to go back through these pages in Amber's thread and separate all the items to get a perspective on all the possible involvements of this guy.

I started to sub categorize the thread but I do not have the amount of time to Read the currant cases and do research let alone go back and separate.
I think in the future we should sub categorize soon after a thread is started.


True Edward (sorry if this has already been covered) as I recall there was an attempted abduction very near EHS just prior to Amber's abduction - a woman of the very similar type as Amber...

I am interested in this, do you or another poster have more information?

Feb 2nd 3:30 in the afternoon.  Only found this transcript so far

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/24/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 01:33:50 AM
JAG could have easily abducted Amber on Broadway drove to the light at El Norte Parkway driven two blocks up to Nordahl turned left and a few blocks down Nordahl is at Rock (what ever I can't remember that name) left or right. He could have raped and killed her at his apartment and transported her body in the evening. She could be in lake on his way to his grandmothers.

He does have an MO for at home rape.

What should be considered is, he disposed of chelsea's body in the quickest and easiest way possible, the shoreline was the easiest way to do it for that crime. If he took amber back to his apartment, what is the easiest and fastest way he could have disposed (sorry) of her body? His MO could be to do something fast and easy. Has any landfills been checked. What day of the week does trash get picked up in that area? Is there a dumpster near the apartment he lived in?
I would also have the police check back at any reports in that apartment complex regarding loud noises, smells or anything really within a week of Amber going missing.
 

From what I understand - Searchers looked for the telltale signs of buzzards circling in the sky for (forgive me) carnage...these signs were not evident in the early days searching for my niece...however...seeing JAG comfort zone at Lake Hodges...I wonder and question...considering the wet and colder atmosphere - would there be the same clues from nature?  Do buzzards only prey in dry - desert areas or also "wetlands"  I don't know...

The california condor is in catalina, that is about the vastness of my bird knowledge. I have to say though, if she was buried, I don't think the birds would be circling.
I don't recall reading if birds were circling above where Chelsea was, I don't think I saw them either when watching the live feed of the search. It was the same time of year, were you at lake hodges? Did you see a lot of birds flying around? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 01:49:13 AM
The street she lived on connects to vista..
She would come down a quiet street and turn left and walk down vista towards the school.


Also back in this thread there was a body found in jesmond dean park.. culprit never found.

There was also an attempted abduction in a parking lot in Escondido


We need to go back through these pages in Amber's thread and separate all the items to get a perspective on all the possible involvements of this guy.

I started to sub categorize the thread but I do not have the amount of time to Read the currant cases and do research let alone go back and separate.
I think in the future we should sub categorize soon after a thread is started.


True Edward (sorry if this has already been covered) as I recall there was an attempted abduction very near EHS just prior to Amber's abduction - a woman of the very similar type as Amber...

I am interested in this, do you or another poster have more information?

Feb 2nd 3:30 in the afternoon.  Only found this transcript so far

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/24/ng.01.html

Thanks for posting the link NorRose. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 02:03:10 AM
The street she lived on connects to vista..
She would come down a quiet street and turn left and walk down vista towards the school.


Also back in this thread there was a body found in jesmond dean park.. culprit never found.

There was also an attempted abduction in a parking lot in Escondido


We need to go back through these pages in Amber's thread and separate all the items to get a perspective on all the possible involvements of this guy.

I started to sub categorize the thread but I do not have the amount of time to Read the currant cases and do research let alone go back and separate.
I think in the future we should sub categorize soon after a thread is started.


True Edward (sorry if this has already been covered) as I recall there was an attempted abduction very near EHS just prior to Amber's abduction - a woman of the very similar type as Amber...

I am interested in this, do you or another poster have more information?

Feb 2nd 3:30 in the afternoon.  Only found this transcript so far

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/24/ng.01.html

Thanks for posting the link NorRose. 

Hi Northern Rose,
Thank you for the link, I don't remember this since it was back in February of last year. But here is something that Bill Garcia said that is different from what we have been told.

GARCIA: Amber did have a cell phone. She apparently had taken it with her and it was not found at home. Apparently the next day, there was a -- about a 30-second blast on it where they -- police were able to get one ping from one tower, but the location outside of Escondido has not been divulged.

THE LOCATION OUTSIDE OF ESCONDIDO?????


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 02:12:31 AM
I read that and it didn't register, good catch. Also it was a 30 second blast? I was under the impression it was a quick little thing.
Snipped:
GARCIA: Well, we`ve learned that she`s not a runaway. Her family does not believe she`s a runaway. When we got involved in this case we did not feel she was a runaway. Correction, the Escondido police have stopped physical searches. You can`t do that. You have to keep searching for these children until they`re found and that`s -- that is the point that we got involved was Friday morning.

GRACE: Has the family been polygraphed?

GARCIA: The family came forward immediately and volunteered to be polygraphed. The entire family has been cleared of anything with these polygraphs.

GRACE: Now she had a debit card. Has that been used?

GARCIA: It has not. There`s been no activity on that nor has the check that she was given by family for the lamb been cashed.

GRACE: And where are police? Where have they been searching?

GARCIA: Well, police have been conducting investigative situations. They stopped their physical search by utilizing their people and San Diego County sheriff.

GRACE: Why?

GARCIA: . search and rescue people on Thursday. So there has been no.

GRACE: Why? Why did they quit?

GARCIA: No new evidence. There was nothing to substantiate where she might be so they stopped on Thursday evening.

GRACE: Did little Amber have a cell phone? Has it been used?

GARCIA: Amber did have a cell phone. She apparently had taken it with her and it was not found at home. Apparently the next day, there was a -- about a 30-second blast on it where they -- police were able to get one ping from one tower, but the location outside of Escondido has not been divulged.

*deepbreath* What? This whole exchaged so disturbed me when I read it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 02:15:08 AM
I am off to bed...see you tomorrow fellow monkeys and guests


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 02:19:09 AM
I know exactly what you mean about it being disturbing! I will have to ask Carrie about the cellphone thing. Maybe Garcia mispoke? I don't know


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/04/earlyshow/main6265927.shtml

March 4, 2010
Missing Teen's Mom: Gardner "Sloppy"
Mother of 14-Year-Old Amber Dubois Says She Doesn't Think Man Suspected of Killing Chelsea King Killed Her Daughter

((edit - removed the embedded video because it kept playing over and over so go to the link above for the video))

(CBS)  Amber Dubois has been missing for a year, but her mother, Carrie McGonigle, doesn't think John Albert Gardner III, the man suspected in the death of Chelsea King, had anything to do with her daughter's disappearance.

Sex Offender Charged in Teen Killing
Outrage Growing over Repeat Sex Offenders

But McGonigle admitted on "The Early Show" it could just be that she's in denial.

McGonigle pointed to a possible link between Gardner wearing a monitor until 2008, and her daughter's disappearance a year later on February 13, 2009. Dubois was last seen at Escondido High School, in Escondido, Calif. Gardner lived just six minutes from her school and not far from where King disappeared.

She said, "I would think he would have been one of the very first people Escondido police department looked at."

"Early Show" co-anchor Harry Smith noted the widespread search for Dubois did include a focus on Gardner. Smith said volunteers monitored the registered sex offender and even took pictures of him.

"I don't know about the pictures," McGonigle said, "but I know he was one of them that our volunteers did monitor."

Following her daughter's disappearance, McGonigle said, the police performed their routine checks on all the sex offenders in the area where Dubois went missing -- including Gardner. However, she said she doesn't know if he was actually questioned by police.

McGonigle said she's looking for an end to their search "one way or another."
"Her dad and I both need closure," McGonigle said. "So -- not that we want to bury our daughter, but we need some closure."

When pressed why she didn't think Gardner had involvement with her daughter's case, McGonigle said she thinks it was another sex offender because Gardner "seems a little sloppy in what he does."

McGonigle said searches for Amber Dubois will resume on March 13.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm so glad that they will resume searching for Amber.  I hope that the EPD & SDSO is helping with the funding.

As always, Praying for Amber  ::MonkeyAngel::
(http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2010/03/04/image6265872g.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 09:58:59 AM
This maybe a repeat:

http://www.delmartimes.net/news/266632-amber-dubois-father-reacts-at-gardners-arraignment

Amber Dubois' father reacts at Gardner's arraignment

Mar 3, 2010
 By City News Service

The father of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois said Wednesday the defendant in the murder of Chelsea King was on a list of registered sex offenders he reviewed after his daughter disappeared.

Maurice Dubois was at the San Diego County Courthouse for the arraignment of John Albert Gardner III, who is charged with murdering 17-year-old Chelsea.

Dubois said that while Gardner was on the list of people he reviewed, he doesn't know whether he was questioned by law enforcement.

Amber Dubois was 14 years old when she disappeared in February 2009 while walking to Escondido High School.

As in Chelsea's case, a large contingent of law enforcement officials and civilian volunteers searched for Amber. However, she remains missing more than a year later.

"My frustrations are immense," Maurice Dubois told reporters. "It's been a long, long year."

Asked whether he believed Gardner played a role in Amber's disappearance, he said he hoped not, "but in the back of our minds" the family knew that it was a possibility.

"The likelihood is much larger than we'd ever want it to be," Maurice Dubois said.

He said he has spoken with detectives from the San Diego County Sheriff's Department and Escondido police since Gardner's arrest.

He said he briefly spoke to Brent and Kelly King - Chelsea's parents - after her body was found Tuesday.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 10:23:28 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/03/lkl.01.html

(Snipped)
KING: Carrie McGonigle is with us here in Los Angeles. She's the mother of Ambar -- Amber Dubois, who went missing from the same area as Chelsea King a year ago. She was walking to school. The cases may be related, by the way. Amber's grandmother has written a heart-wrenching article on our blog. You've got to read it. Go to CNN.com/larryking.

A year?

CARRIE MCGONIGLE, MOTHER OF MISSING 14 AMBER DUBOIS: Just over a year, yes.

KING: What happened that day? MCGONIGLE: She was walking to school. She had a check in her back pocket for her lamb, because she was with the SFA. She had Valentine's Day presents in her backpack. She was very excited about that day. And she never made it to school. She was last seen by two parents, supposedly, and vanished.

KING: What kind of area is it?

MCGONIGLE: It's a -- you know, a suburban -- it's a nice area, good, you know--

KING: I mean there are other things on the block?

MCGONIGLE: Oh, yes.

KING: The school isn't in a remote area?

MCGONIGLE: Oh, no. It's -- no, it's very populated. Two thousand children go to school there, traffic -- lots of traffic.

KING: Would she have gone over to a stranger in a car?

MCGONIGLE: Absolutely not. No. She knew better. We had just talked about it the week before, because there were some attempted abductions in Poway.

KING: So what do authorities guess here?

MCGONIGLE: At first, runaway. And then after that, they -- she's just endangered missing, because they don't -- they've gone through 1,600 tips.

KING: No chance runaway?

MCGONIGLE: No chance.

KING: No chance boyfriend you didn't know about?

This is what you're hoping for now, right?

MCGONIGLE: Well, that's a--

KING: A boyfriend you didn't know about--

MCGONIGLE: Oh, abs--

KING: -- that she ran away with?

MCGONIGLE: Absolutely. But I know my daughter.

KING: So how are you affected by the -- the occurrence that we learn about now with Chelsea King?

MCGONIGLE: Mixed feelings. I mean I went down and helped with the search for Chelsea, met the parents and, you know, gave my support to them. But it disgusts me that this guy was on the street and it scares me that he might have done something with my daughter.

KING: Since it is the same area--

MCGONIGLE: Right. A few miles away he lived.

KING: Do you have any optimism?

MCGONIGLE: I have hope that she's still alive. I have hope that she is somewhere, that it's another Jaycee story or a Shawn Hornbeck.

KING: How do you sleep?

MCGONIGLE: Not very much.

KING: You're separated from your husband, right?

MCGONIGLE: I am.

KING: How is he taking it?

MCGONIGLE: We have our up -- we both -- we complement each other. When I'm having a good day, he's having a bad day. So, it's brought us closer.

KING: Do authorities have any leads?

MCGONIGLE: No. They've gone through 1,600 and they're back at square one.

KING: This suspect -- he has to be called a suspect now in this system--

MCGONIGLE: Yes. Yes.

KING: Do you think he might give you some hope, at least tell you something?

MCGONIGLE: I hope so--

KING: Because you want information, right?

MCGONIGLE: Yes.

KING: You want closure if that--

MCGONIGLE: I want closure, yes. But I don't -- I don't think he's going to talk, even if he had something to do with it. The police haven't found anything as of today that links him to Amber. But the possibility is great.

KING: So what keeps you going is hope?

MCGONIGLE: That's the only thing that keeps me going, hope and faith.

KING: What high school did -- did Amber go to?

MCGONIGLE: Escondido High School.

KING: Is that near Poway?

MCGONIGLE: Seven-and-a-half miles from where Chelsea went missing.

KING: The schools are rivals, right, football rivals?

MCGONIGLE: Yes.

KING: In LA, yes.

MCGONIGLE: Yes.

KING: It's a beautiful area.

MCGONIGLE: It is.

KING: It's a little north of San Diego, right?

MCGONIGLE: Yes. Yes.

KING: It's very middle income.

MCGONIGLE: Yes, it's a nice neighborhood. In talking with Chelsea's aunts, the girls were a lot alike. They were both nature girls and stuff like that.

KING: Good luck, Carrie.

MCGONIGLE: Thank you very much.
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 10:31:47 AM
Nancy Grace transcripts from 3/3/2010 show:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/03/ng.01.html

(Snipped)
Now six months ago Gardner was staying in an apartment in Escondido. That apartment is a mile from Amber Dubois`s school where she was last seen.

He also currently lives in Lake Ellsinore which is about 50 miles north. In Lake Ellsinore in October there was a report of an attempted abduction on a young girl, a man driving a sedan. She was able to get away. But police released a sketch. Now this sketch bears a very striking resemblance to John Albert Gardner, Nancy.

GRACE: Joining me right now is a very special guest. This is Maurice Dubois. This is the father of 14-year-old Amber Dubois who went missing in the very same area.

Mr. Dubois, thank you for being with us.

MAURICE DUBOIS, FATHER OF AMBER DUBOIS, 14-YEAR-OLD, MISSING IN SAME AREA; ATTENDED SUSPECT`S HEARING TODAY: Thank you for having me, Nancy.

GRACE: Sir, I understand that you were in court today. What prompted you to go to court on the case of Chelsea King?

DUBOIS: Just the similarities in our case. You know, if there is any connection to Mr. Gardner and our case, I want to be there for his prosecution and soon to be execution, I would hope.

GRACE: Well, Mr. Dubois, now that you`ve brought up the death penalty, they are charging him in this case with what they call an aggravating circumstance.

Under death penalty law, I guess the legislatures don`t think that just any murder warrants the death penalty. There must be an aggravating circumstance such as a rape, a robbery, in the commission of another felony.

I find that highly probative, Mr. Dubois, that they have formally charged him with an aggravating circumstance in the death of Chelsea King. That being the attempted rape.

Now, Mr. Dubois, many, many people including myself think that there may very well be a connection between Gardner and your daughter.

First of all, tell me about Amber.

DUBOIS: OK. Well, first of all, I`d like to first give out our whole family`s condolences to Chelsea King and the entire King family. Our hearts go out to them, and, yes, Amber -- Amber was an excellent student. Straight A`s. Perfect attendance.

Walking to school, Friday the 13th, 7:10 in the morning. Was 200 yards from the front gate, never made it into the front gate. She was last seen by an adult who knows her and that`s the last we have seen of her.

We`ve had many leads and tips, but we have no significant stories to go on.

GRACE: OK. Pat Brown, criminal profiler, author of "Killing for Sports."

Pat, I can tell you right now whoever took Amber Dubois is a child predator. Because who is going to be hanging around a school at 7:00 a.m. in the -- on a Friday morning when little girls are going in and out?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": Absolutely. I mean, these predators know their trolling grounds. And they can spend a lot of time doing it. It`s like going fishing and you love fishing. You go to the lake all the time.

These guys go to paths, schools, shopping malls, wherever they find their targets. So he`s going to be sitting out there waiting for that moment of opportunity. And I want to say one thing, though, we should really respect the rights, the belief systems of these men, who do these things. The prisoners and defendants. And this man believed in the death penalty. So we should give him the death penalty.

GRACE: Well put. Well put, Pat Brown.

Back to Mr. Dubois, Maurice Dubois, Amber`s father. Amber went missing, as I recall, last February 2009.

Mr. Dubois, you have said earlier that you were, quote, "in denial," about the possibility that Chelsea`s death and Amber`s disappearance may be linked. Why?

DUBOIS: Basically for the mere fact that we don`t want any connection with our daughter to this monster. I mean, we know now what he`s capable of and we don`t want any form of connection to this case whatsoever.

We`re hoping that this case would give us some good exposure on Amber and someone out there will see Amber and help get us home -- get her home to us.

GRACE: Everyone, we are talking about a 14-year-old girl, Amber Dubois, who went missing in the same area. We covered it live on our show when she went missing. That case is still unsolved.

Take a look at Amber Dubois here with Chelsea King. As we go to air tonight, we are awaiting a positive I.D. on a young girl`s body found at the water`s edge there at a park.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 10:47:45 AM
Should we start a new sub-thread for research on the connection between JAG and Amber's case?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 11:27:21 AM
Info on JAG's employment posted in Chelsea King thread:

I can't help but wonder if he was "working" at Escondido HS, off the books of course.


Hey Lovin',I found it.
Suspect in girl's killing may be linked to October Lake Elsinore abduction attempt
10:54 PM PST on Wednesday, March 3, 2010
<snipped>

 Chavez said when Gardner registered at the Lake Elsinore station, officials took a new photograph of him and collected information such as details about his vehicle and his employment. Gardner said he is a self-employed electrician, Chavez said.

He declined to say whether the vehicle Gardner was driving matched the descriptions of any of the vehicles described in the abduction attempts.

Officials also reviewed Gardner's record for any red flags, such as recent encounters with law enforcement at his prior address in San Diego County.

They found none.
<snipped>

http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 12:52:34 PM
I am sorry to say this, I disagree with Carrie. There was never the wide search for Amber as their was for Chelsea which produced the evidence found in that case so we don't really know if he was sloppy or not.

They closed off the park, had dive teams and agents combing the area. They found a crime scene in the area she went missing and found evidence. I may be wrong but I don't believe they did that in any area of Escondido or surrounding area's in a search of Amber. They investigated Ambers case as a runaway. They stopped searching because they couldn't find anything, after 10 days? Did they look in Poway or Lake Elsenor? Did they search his apartment? A crime scene was not found because they may not have looked in the right place.

Lets say they didn't bring in the man power with Chelsea and LE searched the park but didn't do the comprehensive search as they did. I don't think they would have found her as they had to search that particular area 2 times before they found the spot he buried her. This is after using all of the things they did for 3 days.

I see a lot of similarities sorry to say. He is the best lead this case has ever had. He is being linked to attempted kidnappings that ring of similarities with Amber. He has done this before Chelsea and the jogger and so far he had gotten away with it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 12:54:08 PM
Would a mod mind fixing the post of the CBS video? It keeps playing when you hit on the page.

Thanks


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Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 12:59:53 PM
Would a mod mind fixing the post of the CBS video? It keeps playing when you hit on the page.

Thanks

Fixed  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 01:00:48 PM
I agree Tracygirl.  Amber got short changed.  IIRC most of the searches were funded privately.  I'm going to report to mod about the CBS video.  I'm sorry about that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 01:05:11 PM
http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/CA_Electricians_Certified.pdf

Pg 257 #13th from the top.  San Diego zip code. 

If this guy has anything to do with Amber's disappearance and he was working on a construction crew at EHS as an electrician, I'm afraid Edward's head will explode. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 01:10:21 PM
Just kind of speaking off of the cuff because there are so many unknowns in this situation but I've worked for a builder who subcontracts with electricians.  They pretty much make up their own hours and not to a set schedule.  Not much accountability of being at a certain place at a certain time, from personal experience anyway.

Well, I've monopolized enough of this thread today.  Back to work.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 01:11:51 PM
Thanks Klaas and no problem Lovin.

If JAG is a self employed electrician he would have to have a utility van or work truck or have access to one if he wants to carry ladders and equipment. I have yet to meet an electrician that carries ladders in a car. If he was in a vehical such as this and lets say there is a sticker on the sideo of the van/truck saying "Gardner the electrician guy" (made up name) and he is parked along broadway with all of the other construction trucks would that stand out? I think not.
Also do we know if he was subbed out to help with the school construction? I have posted before, a sub is not researched and cleared through a school. A sub is hired by another company to complete a job or part of a job. That first company is checked out, it is up to that company to insured a person is cleared. Most times it just goes to the lowest bidder and they don't check. I have a business which subs out certain parts of a job, I check each person I send out or set up to work in a home, business or school, again not everyone does. I hope LE is checking on this.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 01:14:02 PM
Just kind of speaking off of the cuff because there are so many unknowns in this situation but I've worked for a builder who subcontracts with electricians.  They pretty much make up their own hours and not to a set schedule.  Not much accountability of being at a certain place at a certain time, from personal experience anyway.

Well, I've monopolized enough of this thread today.  Back to work.   ::MonkeyCool::

No don't leave, come back! We are sharing the same brain! You and I had the same thought.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 04, 2010, 03:47:25 PM
A cigarette butt was found close by Chelsea's underware that probably was tested for DNA and matched JAG. When other girls are abducted or possible abduction why does no one look for cigarette butts. I would bet 80% of SO's smoke and while they are lurking around parks and schools they've got to be smoking like crazy to keep them calm before they attack. If we checked cigarette butts in the locations of abductions I bet we would hit on SO's a good percent of the time.

JMO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:15:14 PM
Armchair do you recall the attempted by a man driving a small white truck with ladders? It was recently I think. What was the description of the man?

BTW I think they are supposed to check for cigarette butts, I wonder if LE did that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:17:55 PM
Another girl missing just 27 miles from Escondido. Temecula, missing from a High School.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/5e40da73-43e1-5881-b24a-0e2b53ae59fe.html

I'm begining to believe our perp may work for a tow truck company. Amber was abducted on a rainy day. Today it's raining, the wind is blowing and their are tow truck everywhere.

Bump* in light of Gardners arrest I am bringing this forward again. Has this girl been found?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
Another girl missing just 27 miles from Escondido. Temecula, missing from a High School.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/5e40da73-43e1-5881-b24a-0e2b53ae59fe.html

I'm begining to believe our perp may work for a tow truck company. Amber was abducted on a rainy day. Today it's raining, the wind is blowing and their are tow truck everywhere.

Bump* in light of Gardners arrest I am bringing this forward again. Has this girl been found?
YES!!! ::MonkeyCheer4:: SAFE!!!!
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/article_2c9ab82b-9e34-5df4-92c0-afafdbf33066.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:30:03 PM
Whew!!! thank God, safe!!!!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Thank you for letting me know!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
Thanks be to No Rose Colored Glasses for posting this in the Chelsea thread. Bringing it here.

http://www.10news.com/news/22739243/detail.html

John Gardner Being Investigated In At Least 3 Other Incidents
Sex Offender John Gardner Accused In Death Of 17-Year-Old Chelsea King

POSTED: 7:00 am PST March 4, 2010
UPDATED: 7:16 am PST March 4, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- A registered sex offender accused of murdering Poway High senior Chelsea King was reported Thursday to match the description of a man seen stalking a 13-year-old girl on the same day and in the same community where Chelsea disappeared.

San Diego police received a report a week ago Thursday about a man in a black sedan following a 13-year-old girl as she walked near Bernardo Heights Middle School in Rancho Bernardo,.

A black sedan frequently seen parked in front of John Albert Gardner III's mother's townhouse in Rancho Bernardo has since been towed away by police, according to the news station.


Gardner also bears a striking resemblance to a composite sketch of a suspect in an attempted abduction of a girl less than four miles from his residence in Lake Elsinore last October.

The Press-Enterprise in Riverside reported that the girl was walking to a friend's house when she was approached by a man driving a sedan. After a brief conversation, the man showed the girl a gun and demanded she get inside his car, but she refused and ran, according to the newspaper.

Local authorities say they also are investigating whether Gardner might be responsible for the February 2009 disappearance of Escondido High School freshman Amber Dubois, who was 14 when she vanished while walking to campus.

Gardner, 30, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to murdering 17-year-old Chelsea, who vanished last Thursday after she went for an after-school run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

In addition to murder, Gardner was charged with assault with the intent to commit rape for an attack on another woman in the same park last December, according to District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis.

The murder charge includes a sentence-enhancing allegation of murder during the commission of a rape or attempted rape.

The defendant could face the death penalty if convicted. A decision on what penalty Gardner will face will be determined after the preliminary hearing.

Gardner -- who is being held without bail in solitary confinement in a downtown jail cell -- was ordered back to court Tuesday, and a preliminary hearing was tentatively scheduled for March 18.

According to public records, Gardner was convicted of assaulting and molesting a girl in 2000. The victim, a 13-year-old neighbor, said he repeatedly punched her in the face and fondled her at his mother's townhouse, which is about a mile from Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

The girl said she went to the residence after Gardner invited her in to watch a movie.

Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison and served five before he was released in September 2005. He was on probation until 2008.

He registered as a sex offender using his grandmother's Lake Elsinore address but reportedly had been staying with his mother lately.

Dr. Matthew Carroll, a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner following the 2000 assault, described him as "callous" and lacking remorse, making him "an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment," according to court records.

"It is my opinion that (Gardner) would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community," Carroll wrote as he recommended the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

A memorandum from the District Attorney's Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and to spare the victim from testifying.Copyright 2010 by City News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on March 04, 2010, 06:07:17 PM
HLN covering this now.  Jean Casaris has talked to LE and asked if any of Amber's clothing found and she says they hemmed and hawed. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 06:39:04 PM
hmmm thats strange. I wonder if they were just caught off guard?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 04, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
I know on the Chelsea's tread that they say we should not be blaming the parents for what the son has done. But, I can not believe with all the warning signs (attempted abductions in the area, Amber's disappearance and news coverage about all) that she did not suspect something! Come on..... unless she is so self absorbed that she can't see beyond her own accomplishments....... she did not know something. If she paid any attention to him he would have done something that would make her question his attitudes, bloody nose possible scratch marks and questionable behaviour. If she had said just one time that she suspected strange behaviour he could have been stopped sooner. I think his mothers house is the key to his abductions.  JMO

I also think there is a good possibility that Amber is somewhere in Lake Hodges. If he was watching the house for his mother. She and her husband could have been gone for the Valentines weekend and left him to stay at the house.

I hope they question the girlfriend with the twins. She could really help in the whereabouts of this guy. Has anyone tried to search for a birth cirt on the twins with a last name of Gardner?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on March 04, 2010, 07:08:09 PM
   I just can't shake the feeling that with a bad guy like this there has to be some level of enabling on the part of those around him.  Sorry, but I really get this feeling.  Somebody in his family had to be suspicious of  his actions.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 07:09:27 PM
Ambers Grandmother is about to be on JVM

Armchair I agree with you. Good thoughts on lake hodges, I think you could be right.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 07:13:29 PM
Grandma is speaking very bluntly regarding LE, good for her.

She said she is appauled he was not looked into further when Amber went missing

She is also appauled we are not using more technical means to track the RSO. They are talking about tracking devises.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 07:18:53 PM
Per JVM's show. She showed a clip from a morning show, moe Dubois sent out a message to Amber telling her if she could hear him to stay strong...I pray she can hear them and is being help captive, I hope to God that is true. This needs to be ruled out though, I hope they seriously advocate for LE to look for a non living Amber. If she is not alive, she deserves a respectful and beautiful burial.
I really want to be wrong, I hope everyone realizes that. I don't want Amber to be not alive..I really hope she is found somewhere and this has a happy ending. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 10:56:09 PM
I do not agree that JAG was sloppy.  We do not know if he was interrupted this time and was planning to go back when the coast was clear or of some other reason things did not go as planned.  IMO this is not his first time.  IMO LE dropped the ball with finding Amber when they first classified her as a run away.  When I was watching the divers and the boats with cadaver dogs on them during the search for Chelsea one of the dogs kept hitting on the same area of the lake.  I watched the dog jump off the boat as he was getting a hit.  Chelsea was found on the shore.  I doubt JAG took her out to the water where the dogs were hitting then brought her back to bury her.  The question is, what is in the lake that the dogs were hitting on?  Is LE following up on the lake?  Amber deserves for that to be done as does any other missing girl to at least rule out that they may now be resting in that lake.  If for nothing else to rule it out and set the community at ease. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 11:01:39 PM
I did catch Amber's Grandmother today.  You were much gentler and kinder than I could ever be in these circumstances.  I was so happy that you spoke today and I am sure Amber is very happy as well.  I send my strength and prayers.  LE must search and do it right and expedite.  It has been a year too long.  To Grandma, let er rip!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 11:02:49 PM
On HLN today one of the speaking heads was saying there are now 7 cases that they believe JAG could be involved in.  Did anyone else catch that?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 11:06:46 PM
I do not agree that JAG was sloppy.  We do not know if he was interrupted this time and was planning to go back when the coast was clear or of some other reason things did not go as planned.  IMO this is not his first time.  IMO LE dropped the ball with finding Amber when they first classified her as a run away.  When I was watching the divers and the boats with cadaver dogs on them during the search for Chelsea one of the dogs kept hitting on the same area of the lake.  I watched the dog jump off the boat as he was getting a hit.  Chelsea was found on the shore.  I doubt JAG took her out to the water where the dogs were hitting then brought her back to bury her.  The question is, what is in the lake that the dogs were hitting on?  Is LE following up on the lake?  Amber deserves for that to be done as does any other missing girl to at least rule out that they may now be resting in that lake.  If for nothing else to rule it out and set the community at ease. 

Great points NorRose, I think you hit on something yourself. That dog did jump in the lake, why? It is a cadavor dog, had to be something there. What was the level of the lake last year? Was it deeper? not as deep? That could make a difference I would think on where they should look at the lake also.
Also you are correct, he could have been interupted. After all we don't know if another jogger came by or someone was walking up. LE searched right away, he may not have had enough time to go back and clean things up. She was found not far from that trail so it is resonable to consider he was interupted.
I don't think he is sloppy, if so he would have been caught a long time ago.   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 11:18:11 PM
I do not agree that JAG was sloppy.  We do not know if he was interrupted this time and was planning to go back when the coast was clear or of some other reason things did not go as planned.  IMO this is not his first time.  IMO LE dropped the ball with finding Amber when they first classified her as a run away.  When I was watching the divers and the boats with cadaver dogs on them during the search for Chelsea one of the dogs kept hitting on the same area of the lake.  I watched the dog jump off the boat as he was getting a hit.  Chelsea was found on the shore.  I doubt JAG took her out to the water where the dogs were hitting then brought her back to bury her.  The question is, what is in the lake that the dogs were hitting on?  Is LE following up on the lake?  Amber deserves for that to be done as does any other missing girl to at least rule out that they may now be resting in that lake.  If for nothing else to rule it out and set the community at ease. 

Great points NorRose, I think you hit on something yourself. That dog did jump in the lake, why? It is a cadavor dog, had to be something there. What was the level of the lake last year? Was it deeper? not as deep? That could make a difference I would think on where they should look at the lake also.
Also you are correct, he could have been interupted. After all we don't know if another jogger came by or someone was walking up. LE searched right away, he may not have had enough time to go back and clean things up. She was found not far from that trail so it is resonable to consider he was interupted.
I don't think he is sloppy, if so he would have been caught a long time ago.   


Tracy you are so right.  If he was sloppy he would have been caught a long time ago.  He was smart on how to stay under the radar with the SO registry.  He had a job that would be easy to put him anywhere he wanted to be.  He lived mere blocks in a house that he raped a girl and lived with his mother that paid for his defense in that case so knew full well he should not have been there due to proximity of the school.  He is anything but sloppy.  He may have been interrupted and had to leave or his ritual may have been interrupted and he was caught by surprise.

O/T I have not seen Edward posting today.  I hope he is ok.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 11:28:23 PM
I haven't seen him either..Edward are you out there?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 11:35:46 PM
He has a black sedan? Didn't other people report a light colored sedan? Maybe he had a paint job in case anyone was on to him?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 11:44:37 PM
He has a black sedan? Didn't other people report a light colored sedan? Maybe he had a paint job in case anyone was on to him?

Three vehicles had been mentioned so far, gold car, black sedan and a Cadillac he was working on in Mom's driveway a few weeks ago.  Maybe he fixes clunkers and ditches them?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 11:48:17 PM
It would be interesting to know what the mother of his twins drive, if his grandmother has a car and if so, what kind? Mother's car, step-fathers car, any siblings? vehicles? There may be roomates at some of the residences. What do they drive? You may be right too, Northern Rose, he may fix up cars and sell them.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 11:58:58 PM
He has a black sedan? Didn't other people report a light colored sedan? Maybe he had a paint job in case anyone was on to him?

Three vehicles had been mentioned so far, gold car, black sedan and a Cadillac he was working on in Mom's driveway a few weeks ago.  Maybe he fixes clunkers and ditches them?


I think you may be on to something Northern Rose! In this article borrowed from Chelsea's thread, it says that when he was pulled over he had no registration for the car!!1

The Enterprise Report has learned exclusively that the accused killer of 17-year old San Diego high school student Chelsea King -- John Albert Gardner, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, CA was stopped by police In Riverside County, CA, only three weeks prior the disappearance of the San Diego teenager.

King's body is believed to have been located by police investigating her disappearance from a park in Northern San Diego County last week. Gardner was arraigned on murder charges today in San Diego and has plead not guilty.


Gardner was stopped by police in Riverside Co. on January 30, 2010 according to court records reviewed the The Enterprise Report.  The reason for the police stop is not yet known, but Gardner was cited for not having proof of insurance and for driving without registration for the car.  Whether or not police investigators in San Diego County were aware of the Riverside County case is still not known.
 

According to court records reviewed by TER, Gardner, who was already a suspect in a previous December 2009 attack on another women in the same San Diego park has been linked by police to that attack.  Gardner never bothered to show up to the Riverside Court or properly take carer of the citation as required by law after the January police stop.

Having not done so, Gardner's name should have generated a warrant for his arrest issued by the court handling the case.  According to the Riverside County Sheriff's Dept, no warrant currently exists for Gardner in their system.  According to court records reviewed by TER the CA-DMV was notified of the case by the Riverside Court as the law requires.   


Gardner who is registered as a convicted sex offender in Riverside Co, was staying with his mother who lives in San Diego County near the crime scene. Chelsea King was last seen on last Thursday when she headed to the park for a jog.

http://theenterprisereport.typepad.com/news/2010/03/exclusive-sex-offender-accused-killer-john-gardner-stopped-by-police-3-weeks-prior-to-murder-of-chel.html


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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 12:00:54 AM
If you follow this line of thinking, he may have numerous vehicles. He may not register them because in case anything ever happens, he does not want them traced back to him. He may be buying them for very little and not bothering to register them as he is only using them for a short period of time. He may also be stealing them.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 12:02:01 AM
Here is an attempted abduction in Oxnard from August 2008. 

http://straighttoyou.podomatic.com/entry/eg/2008-08-04T20_30_17-07_00



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 12:02:50 AM
If you follow this line of thinking, he may have numerous vehicles. He may not register them because in case anything ever happens, he does not want them traced back to him. He may be buying them for very little and not bothering to register them as he is only using them for a short period of time. He may also be stealing them.

He could be getting them in lieu of payment for some electrical work even. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 12:58:08 AM
Is there a vehicle auction down that way? We have one up here in the Modesto area. You seriously can get a car for $1000 or under. They have everything too any kind of car you can imagine. 

I think it would make sense if a person were going around trying to kidnap people they would change vehicles. Why use the same one? What if someone saw the plate or gave a description they would get caught.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 01:05:24 AM
Is there a vehicle auction down that way? We have one up here in the Modesto area. You seriously can get a car for $1000 or under. They have everything too any kind of car you can imagine. 

I think it would make sense if a person were going around trying to kidnap people they would change vehicles. Why use the same one? What if someone saw the plate or gave a description they would get caught.

I doubt they check stolen or unregistered cars for trace evidence unless there is a specific reason to do so. There are lots of places that do auctions. If you go to an auction do you have to register it on site or can you pay cash and walk away?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 01:19:43 AM
If I recall correctly, you get a bill of sale and you have a x amount of days to go to the DMV to register it and transfer title. I think it maybe 5 days? You do get the pink slip and that will allow you to turn around and sell it. I suppose it could be said you can sell a car without it ever really belonging to you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:24:59 AM
If I recall correctly, you get a bill of sale and you have a x amount of days to go to the DMV to register it and transfer title. I think it maybe 5 days? You do get the pink slip and that will allow you to turn around and sell it. I suppose it could be said you can sell a car without it ever really belonging to you.

I am more apt to think that he may be buying from private people and paying cash. That way there is no obligation on his part to register it.


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Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:25:39 AM
I am also hoping that mom and step-dad have not gone too far. Their car could have hairs and fibers too!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 03:30:11 AM
I wonder if there is any possible way that JAG could have had a partner?


Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Crestline, CA - A 12-year-old girl was able to flee today when two men in a white pick-up truck made contact in the 24,000 block of Lake Drive in Crestline. The case is being handled by the Twin Peaks Sheriff's Station as an attempted kidnapping.


San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department helicopter 40-King. (Photo by Michael P. Neufeld.)
Deputies report the incident took place at about 1:10 p.m. today and they were dispatched four minutes later. A Sheriff's Department helicopter joined the search for the late model, full-size 4-door pick-up with a tool or lumber rack and orange traffic safety cones in the back.



Officers indicated to RIMOFTHEWORLD.net that the two white males in the pick-up were in their early to mid-40s and headed west on Lake Drive after the incident.


(Photo by RIMOFTHEWORLD.net.)
The passenger is the one who made contact with the young girl, according to authorities. He is described as being heavy set with brown hair and a brown beard. Officers report he was wearing blue jeans and a yellow safety vest.


There is no description of the driver of the truck except that he is a white male and about the same age as the passenger.


Persons with information about the truck or the incident are urged to call Sergeant Noel Witerding at (909) 336-0600.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 05:00:58 AM
Here is a link to a radio interview by one of JAG's relatives. It is not good news. I think there will be other victims.

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 05:30:21 AM
Here is a link to a radio interview by one of JAG's relatives. It is not good news. I think there will be other victims.

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

This is a long interview and it is 2:30 am so I have not been able to hear it all. What I have heard is horrible and distressing. JAG drove a gold sedan until a month ago when he crashed it. The gold Sedan was seen in Jesmond Dene park in Escondido. There is much more. You all need to hear the interview.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 05, 2010, 09:25:29 AM
 ::MonkeyMad:: as usual, it won't load for me


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Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 11:44:07 AM
::MonkeyMad:: as usual, it won't load for me


Nut does nothing happen at all?  Then it might be a popup blocker or security setting.

Here's what I transcribed from the radio interview:


Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

Thanks for the link, I took some notes from the John & Ken show when they interviewed an interview with one of John's male relatives:

  • Relative said as far as what JAG was like, you see what you want to see
  • Of the conviction in 2000.  Said JAG's story was that the girl came on to him.  That she skipped school and came to his place.  That she was the aggressor and that he didn't actually rape her which is true, he fondled her and beat her.  Said that nobody in the family with the exception maybe of the mom, was aware of the psychiatric evaluation.
  • Asked looking back if there were clues - he said, yes plenty.  As a very young kid (7-8) he was prone to violence.  He recalled a time where at age 7-8 he got into a violent fight with another kidm while this relative was babysitting.  That JAG has always been immature and impulsive.  This relative believes there may be other victims.  That every dot needs to be connected.
  • Up until about a month ago JAG drove a gold pontiac.  It crashed a month ago and is likely in an impound yard
  • JAG's current girlfriend has a back honda that is missing a rear bumper that he had access to
  • When he got out of prison in 2005 he was on probation until September 2008.  From when he got out until Sept 2008 he had an ankle GPS monitor
  • Jobs - he is a journeyman electrician but he does all kinds of construction work and up until recently had work but lost his job recently.  He did all kinds of construction including laying concrete etc
  • Relative believes that the mom has been in DENIAL about JAG
  • As far as relative knows, no big trauma in childhood.  BIO dad died last year but hadn't really been in his life.  Only real father figure was stepdad in Lake Arrowhead/Running Springs.  That stepdad is probably the reason JAG made it through HS.
  • Asked if he believes JAG could be involved with Amber Dubois.  He says he is a man of science and hopefully DNA will tell the story.  He said everything needs to be looked into.
  • On 2/17/2010 this relative went to the Grandma's house in Lake Elsinore to tell JAG to leave.  They needed to get Grandma to the hospital.  On 2/19/2010 they took Grandma to hospital in Palomar and on 2/20/2010 JAG left Elsinore and and came down to Escondido area to his mom's townhouse
  • Relative was asked to get JAG out of Elsinore home but didn't explain why except to say JAG wasn't suppose to be there
  • On Sunday 2/28 the FBI was at the house in Elsinore and questioned this relative.  The FBI has asked this relative not to relay information he gave to FBI so this relative has to be careful about what he says.
  • Told FBI about timelines and what vehicles that JAG had access to.
  • Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom


That's all I got  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 11:46:52 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/05/police-hopeful-that-arrest-will-aid-amber-dubois/

Police hope arrest will aid Amber Dubois case

By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Friday, March 5, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.

The arrest of John Albert Gardner III has given Escondido police renewed hope in the disappearance last year of Amber Dubois, but without witnesses or a body, they could still be a long way from solving the case.

“Every time a tip or a lead comes in that seems the least bit substantial, it gives us hope,” Lt. Craig Carter said yesterday. “I would put this as just another one of those leads, where we have hope that it is something that can pan out for us, and maybe somebody will remember something that will bring this case to closure.”

Gardner, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, was charged this week in the slaying of 17-year-old Chelsea King. The Poway High School senior went missing Feb. 25 while going for a run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found Tuesday.

In a new development yesterday, police are investigating a report that two preteen girls were followed by a man in a black car near Bernardo Heights Middle School the day before Chelsea’s disappearance. A law enforcement source said the incident occurred about 3:30 p.m. Feb. 24. The man was reportedly spooked by another vehicle, and when he drove off, the girls ran home and called police.

The source asked not to be named because the District Attorney’s Office has asked all local law enforcement agencies not to talk about Gardner so as not to risk jeopardizing its case against him.

Gardner, 30, is also a suspect or person of interest in two other cases: an attempted abduction in Lake Elsinore and an attack on a jogger in Rancho Bernardo.
(snipped)




POSSIBLY CONNECTED CASES

John Albert Gardner III is associated with the following cases:

Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido police: Amber Dubois, 14, disappeared while walking to Escondido High School. Person of interest.

Oct. 28, Riverside County Sheriff’s Department: A 16-year-old girl in Lake Elsinore was threatened with a gun by a man who told her to get in his car about 7:10 a.m. She refused and ran away. Person of interest.

Dec. 27, San Diego police: A 22-year-old female jogger was attacked about 10:30 a.m. at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. She struck back at her assailant and got away. Charged.

Feb. 24, San Diego police: Two young girls, one 11, was menaced by a man following them in his car about 3:30 p.m. near Bernardo Heights Middle School. He was scared away by another vehicle and drove off. Person of interest.

Feb. 25, San Diego County Sheriff’s Department: Chelsea King, 17, disappeared after going for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found five days later. Charged.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 12:31:57 PM
Thank you for posting the interview with the relative. It sure doesn't shock me if the mom was in denial. It is amazing how quickly a parent goes into it when something is wrong with their child. I deal with it all of the time and it is frustrating to no end. However, in California there are other sources to help the child such as school or doctors. It is not left up to the parents soley and mainly for that reason. There are many people responsible for this man walking the streets.

So he had an ankle bracelet on until 2008. So we need to look at cases prior to his arrest in 2000 and then from September 2008. So that is why they are going back just 18 months, should have thought of that. Maybe Edward was posting a clue when he was talking about this, anyway didn't think of it.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 05, 2010, 12:51:02 PM
He could have pulled up to Amber smiled (he does have a nice smile) and ask her for direction. She could have been about to give him directions and he held a gun at her and told her to get in the car. I think she would have gotten in the car.

They need to check tow yards to see if the car is still there. I don't know how long they keep wrecked cars.

Also depending on how ill his grandmother was, his mother could have been in Lake Elsinore last year in February caring for her mother. JAG could have been staying at his mothers watching the house at the time.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 05, 2010, 01:57:08 PM
Hi everyone

  Yes I am reading and hanging around ..Just thinking and reading.
The ankle monitor appears to be off him when Amber walks to school on February 13 2009.
Lots of information is coming to light and I must spend my time reading that info and all of your excellent thoughts before I can disseminate idea's ..

I believe this is the right guy in Amber's case. Amber's mom does not think so. I respect her thoughts. I still have to read and educate myself.
 

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: N2WISHN on March 05, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
Tip Leads To All-Out Search Of Kit Carson Park

POSTED: 10:39 am PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 11:05 am PST March 5, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- Escondido police are searching Kit Carson park after a phone call described a find by two boys less than 10 miles from where high school student Amber Dubois disappeared in 2009.

The boys discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw but the parents didn't think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King investigation.

Escondido police received the call yesterday and told 10News that they plan to conduct a search throughout the day.   

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Stay with 10News and 10News.com for the latest on this developing story.


http://www.10news.com/news/22754484/detail.html?treets=sand&tml=sand_break&ts=T&tmi=sand_break_1_01000103052010


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:22:38 PM
Thank you for posting the interview with the relative. It sure doesn't shock me if the mom was in denial. It is amazing how quickly a parent goes into it when something is wrong with their child. I deal with it all of the time and it is frustrating to no end. However, in California there are other sources to help the child such as school or doctors. It is not left up to the parents soley and mainly for that reason. There are many people responsible for this man walking the streets.

So he had an ankle bracelet on until 2008. So we need to look at cases prior to his arrest in 2000 and then from September 2008. So that is why they are going back just 18 months, should have thought of that. Maybe Edward was posting a clue when he was talking about this, anyway didn't think of it.



Because we have a second home in the Lake Arrowhead area, I have heard many things relating to the schools up there. It is my understanding that the schools are very good. There are so many people like us who have second homes up there and have to pay school taxes, that I believe that the school has the money available for many resources. Lake Arrowhead is an upper class, family oriented town. It will be really hard for JAG's lawyers to claim that the schools up there failed him somehow. My guess is that they tried to do everything possible to help JAG and his mother just did not want to see her son's issues.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:25:59 PM
Tip Leads To All-Out Search Of Kit Carson Park

POSTED: 10:39 am PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 11:05 am PST March 5, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- Escondido police are searching Kit Carson park after a phone call described a find by two boys less than 10 miles from where high school student Amber Dubois disappeared in 2009.

The boys discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw but the parents didn't think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King investigation.

Escondido police received the call yesterday and told 10News that they plan to conduct a search throughout the day.   

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Stay with 10News and 10News.com for the latest on this developing story.


http://www.10news.com/news/22754484/detail.html?treets=sand&tml=sand_break&ts=T&tmi=sand_break_1_01000103052010

Whether this is anything or not, relating to Amber or anyone else, I am so glad to see citizens calling in these tips!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
Hi everyone

  Yes I am reading and hanging around ..Just thinking and reading.
The ankle monitor appears to be off him when Amber walks to school on February 13 2009.
Lots of information is coming to light and I must spend my time reading that info and all of your excellent thoughts before I can disseminate idea's ..

I believe this is the right guy in Amber's case. Amber's mom does not think so. I respect her thoughts. I still have to read and educate myself.
 

 

So glad you are still here Edward.  I believe this is the right guy as well. I would like nothing more than to be wrong but my gut is telling me it is him.   If you go to Chelsea's thread I have tracked mom through real estate purchases from 1993 forward but have no idea where they came from before. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 05, 2010, 02:38:17 PM
A large park that features 100 developed and 185 undeveloped acres, with features including beautiful walking and hiking trails, lighted tennis courts, lighted softball fields, lighted soccer fields, three ponds, a fitness course, children's playground, a five acre arboretum, and a 3,000 seat amphitheater.

http://local.yahoo.com/info-42861492-kit-carson-park-escondido;_ylt=AqZYAY.GBX3xAbG5qfCgL0aKNcIF;_ylv=3?viewtype=map

Right along side of hwy 15..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 02:47:12 PM
Driving directions to Kit Carson Park 3 ways to get there all around 15 mins.

8.5 mi – about 12 mins
Suggested routes
I-15 S
8.5 mi 12 mins
 
N Escondido Blvd
5.8 mi 15 mins
 
Bear Valley Pkwy
7.1 mi 16 mins
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 05, 2010, 02:48:29 PM
Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the suspect in the rape and murder of Chelsea King, was contacted by Escondido police at least eight times since January 2008, far more times than usual, it was reported today.

http://www.10news.com/news/22750621/detail.html



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 05, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
Thanks Northern Rose for the photo of the map..

Thank you everyone for your great hard work and efforts made.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
Hi everyone

  Yes I am reading and hanging around ..Just thinking and reading.
The ankle monitor appears to be off him when Amber walks to school on February 13 2009.
Lots of information is coming to light and I must spend my time reading that info and all of your excellent thoughts before I can disseminate idea's ..

I believe this is the right guy in Amber's case. Amber's mom does not think so. I respect her thoughts. I still have to read and educate myself.
 

 

Carrie has been such a strong person throughout this whole horrific ordeal. I think that so much of her strength has come from believing that Amber is still alive and searching for any and every clue that might help to find her. She is not going to believe that this is related until she sees concrete proof. I can totally understand that. I too have believed in my heart that Amber is still alive. I feel sick right now, just sick as it is looking more and more like it "might" be related to JAG and I never even met Amber. Can you imagine what her mother must be feeling right now? Please say a prayer for Carrie and her family and Chelseas' family and all of the families who have to go through a nightmare like this because we have assinine laws that care more about the rights of predators than the rights of victims!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:52:24 PM
By the way Edward, thank you for talking to Carrie through this nightmare! She needs you and everyone else to be her strength right now!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:53:49 PM
Driving directions to Kit Carson Park 3 ways to get there all around 15 mins.

8.5 mi – about 12 mins
Suggested routes
I-15 S
8.5 mi 12 mins
 
N Escondido Blvd
5.8 mi 15 mins
 
Bear Valley Pkwy
7.1 mi 16 mins
 

Northern Rose you are the best!
If JAG did leave something in that park, it would be right on his way to his mother's house!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:55:01 PM
Tracygirl,
If you are still out there, you have nanners!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 02:57:07 PM
Driving directions to Kit Carson Park 3 ways to get there all around 15 mins.

8.5 mi – about 12 mins
Suggested routes
I-15 S
8.5 mi 12 mins
 
N Escondido Blvd
5.8 mi 15 mins
 
Bear Valley Pkwy
7.1 mi 16 mins
 

Northern Rose you are the best!
If JAG did leave something in that park, it would be right on his way to his mother's house!

I have not mapped where he lived in Escondido yet.  Would it be towards there as well?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 05, 2010, 03:00:10 PM
By the way Edward, thank you for talking to Carrie through this nightmare! She needs you and everyone else to be her strength right now!

She is the best.. Prayers for there family while we consider the possible.
It would be wonderful if Amber is alive... Never give up that hope.
There is no easy moments in there lives until Amber is found and even then it may not be an easy moment. But they have to know.

Thanks Sabastian.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 03:03:11 PM
I can only guess at what Ambers family must be going through right now. I would assume there must be a guilt associated with even for a moment believing your child is not alive as well as the fear that they are laying in an unmarked grave. My prayers do go out to them all, If I could take a fraction of the pain away I would gladly do so. I feel so sick inside for them, I really do.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 03:06:43 PM
Driving directions to Kit Carson Park 3 ways to get there all around 15 mins.

8.5 mi – about 12 mins
Suggested routes
I-15 S
8.5 mi 12 mins
 
N Escondido Blvd
5.8 mi 15 mins
 
Bear Valley Pkwy
7.1 mi 16 mins
 

Northern Rose you are the best!
If JAG did leave something in that park, it would be right on his way to his mother's house!

I have not mapped where he lived in Escondido yet.  Would it be towards there as well?

Hi Northern Rose,
Actually, he lived on the opposite side of town. It would not have been near his house at all. It would not make sense that he would dispose of her in that park except for the fact that it is on his way to his mothers house.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 03:10:02 PM
Homicide Investigators Search Kit Carson Park
Police received a tip that two children spotted a bag with hair inside it
By MICHELLE WAYLAND
Updated 11:51 AM PST, Fri, Mar 5, 2010

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Police and Sheriff's deputies are searching the grounds of Kit Carson Park, acting on an unusual tip they received concerning a bag possibly containing hair found three months after the disappearance of Amber Dubois.

Thursday night three children, an 8-year-old and two 11-year-olds, reminded their parents about seeing a "bag with what looked like hair coming out of it," Lieutenant Craig Carter said.

The children made the discovery nine months ago and recalled it in light of the Chelsea King story.

One of the children's parents immediately called police.

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Last night, police secured an area of Kit Carson Park along a waterway and waited for daylight to further investigate the scene. Investigators have yet to look inside the bag, according to police.

They have called in a huge showing of search and rescue personnel including the Sheriff's underwater search and recovery team.

The area is about two miles northeast of the area where a body, believed to be that of Chelsea King, was found. It’s also south of where Amber Dubois disappeared.

Amber was last seen Feb. 13, 2009. She was 14 years old when she left to walk to Escondido High School from her home a few blocks away. Two witnesses said they saw her on the sidewalk just a few hundred yards from the school's main entrance.

She never made it.

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the man charged in the murder and rape of Poway teenager Chelsea King, could be tied to Amber's case, according to her father Maurice Dubois.

At the time Amber disappeared, Gardner lived just two miles from Escondido High School in the Rock Springs East apartment complex.

Amber's father has said he can't help but draw connections between his daughter's case and Chelsea King's and that he's spoken with investigators with Escondido police as well as the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

Check back for updates on this developing story.

Related Stories:

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Suspect Had 'Unnatural Interest in Young Girls:' DA



Source: Homicide Investigators Search Kit Carson Park | NBC San Diego



In this article it states that "investigators have yet to look in the bag"? WTH? They found the bag after all of this time????? Yet they have not looked in it????? Could this be yet ANOTHER reporting error? I am so sick of these half-(*&& reporters!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 03:10:12 PM
A - Escondido High
B - 1050 Rock Springs Rd # 113
C - Kit Carson Park



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 03:14:11 PM
ESCONDIDO: Police search Kit Carson Park in Amber Dubois case

ESCONDIDO ---- Escondido police began searching Kit Carson Park Friday morning for possible evidence in the disappearance of Amber Dubois, the 14-year-old girl last seen walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009.

An Escondido police official said two kids found a bag of hair at the park nine months ago. He said that in the wake of the search for Chelsea King's body this past week, they told their parents about their discovery and the parents informed police.

Amber's disappearance garnered national attention, including a front-page article in People magazine.

Police confirmed to TV reporters this morning that they had found a bag but had not opened it yet. Escondido police, the FBI and San Diego Police search, rescue and dive teams were still at the park late this morning.

Police said they have informed Amber's parents about the search at Kit Carson Park.

Searchers discovered what they believe to be the body of 17-year-old Chelsea King in a shallow grave at Lake Hodges on Tuesday. John Gardner, a registered sex offender, was arrested and charged with murder and rape.

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/a/d6/09c/ad609c2e-2891-11df-ad65-001cc4c002e0.image.jpg?_dc=1267819199)

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/8/94/138/89413858-2891-11df-81b5-001cc4c002e0.image.jpg?_dc=1267819139)

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_bdbf0394-2891-11df-865a-001cc4c002e0.html


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 03:20:00 PM
So the bag was still there after 9 months? Ok I will wait for more details...


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 03:21:08 PM
Ariel view of the shelter.  Close to parking and a pond.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 03:23:59 PM
Is there a live feed anywhere on the net regarding this search? I swear I am ready to hop on a plane to San Diego!


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 03:25:42 PM
Is there a live feed anywhere on the net regarding this search? I swear I am ready to hop on a plane to San Diego!

I have not found a live feed as of yet.  I am ready to head down there as well.  I will stop and get you first. 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 03:31:13 PM
A Fox 5 reporter posted this on twitter.  Hope they took the chopper.

Heading to Escondido. Could remains of Amber Dubois have been found. Geeesh. Will find out soon.
about 1 hours ago via web

http://twitter.com/Peretteinsdnews


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 03:32:55 PM
Kit Carson Park searched in Amber Dubois disappearance
By Karen Kucher, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Friday, March 5, 2010 at 12:10 p.m.


Escondido police are searching an area of Kit Carson park as they follow up on leads related to the Amber Dubois investigation, said police Sgt. Tony Masten.

Channel 10 KGTV reported that two boys discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw but the parents didn’t think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King investigation.

Escondido police received the call yesterday and said they plan to conduct a search throughout the day. Amber Dubois, 14, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/05/kitcarsonpark_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/05/kit-carson-park-amber-dubois-search/


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 03:45:05 PM
Is there a live feed anywhere on the net regarding this search? I swear I am ready to hop on a plane to San Diego!

I have not found a live feed as of yet.  I am ready to head down there as well.  I will stop and get you first. 

Please do! You have nanners btw.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 03:52:12 PM
Months-Old Tip Prompts Search In Connection To Disappearance Of Amber Dubois
By City News Service

March 5, 2010

Police officers, a sheriff's dive team and FBI agents searched Kit Carson Park today in response to a 10-month-old tip possibly related to the disappearance of a teenage North County girl more than a year ago.

About 30 personnel from the various agencies began looking through the open-space and recreation area off Bear Valley Parkway in Escondido this morning to follow up on the report, which was received on Thursday night, police Lt. Craig Carter said.

Authorities were treating the tip as potentially related to the highly publicized Amber Dubois missing-person case. The 14-year-old Escondido High School freshman disappeared while walking to campus in February 2009. There have been no known sightings of her since.

Last May, a 9-year-old and two 11-year-olds told their families about coming across a bag containing what appeared to be human hair in the southern reaches of the park, Carter said.

The children's parents apparently did not consider the purported discovery significant enough to report, but changed their minds this week when the subject came up again, according to Carter.

Authorities found a bag in the general area described by the youngsters, though it was not immediately clear if it was the one in question, and it had yet to be opened by midday, the lieutenant said.

On Tuesday, searchers found the body of Poway High School senior Chelsea King, who had been missing for five days after failing to return from an afternoon jog in Rancho Bernardo.

A registered sex offender has been arrested and charged with the rape and murder of the 17-year-old straight-A student.

Escondido police officials have said they are looking into the possibility of links between Chelsea's accused killer and the disappearance of Amber. No such connections have been made public so far.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/mar/05/months-old-tip-prompts-search-connection-disappear/


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Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 04:00:31 PM
Tracygirl,
You have nanners


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 04:03:22 PM
SAN DIEGO — Escondido police are searching a large area near a pond in Kit Carson park as they follow up on leads related to the Amber Dubois investigation.

Lt. Craig Carter said they got a call Thursday night from the parents of two boys who discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw at the time, but the parents didn’t think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King homicide investigation.

Escondido police interviewed the boys, ages 9 and 11, Thursday night and began their search at the park.

Amber Dubois, 14, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

“There is no reason to believe this is related to the Amber Dubois case, but we are looking into it,” Carter said.


Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, arrived at the park about noon Friday.

Other agencies involved in the search include the Sheriff’s Department’s search and rescue team, its dive team and an FBI evidence team.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/05/kit-carson-park-amber-dubois-search/


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 04:05:32 PM
ESCONDIDO: Police scour Kit Carson Park for clues in Amber Dubois case

ESCONDIDO ---- Escondido police and several dozen searchers scoured Kit Carson Park on Friday for possible evidence in the disappearance of Amber Dubois, the 14-year-old girl last seen walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009.

Searchers were looking in watery and brushy areas behind a stand of tall trees near the Westfield Mall.

Searchers wearing waders were looking in the watery area, and an underwater search team from the San Diego County Sheriff's Department was assisting.


The search was organized after a call came in that two children had found a bag of hair at the park nine months ago, said Escondido Police Department spokesman Lt. Craig Carter.

In the wake of the search for 17-year-old Poway High School student Chelsea King this past week, they told their parents about their discovery and the parents informed police.

At about noon, Amber's father Maurice Dubois arrived and spoke with reporters.

"I like the fact that they are on this very quickly," he said.

Dubois also said he was told that because the search area where the hair was reportedly found is near a large picnic area, a body would likely have been discovered long ago.


But the renewed search for clues about his missing daughter and a spate of tips being reported to police is particularly encouraging, Dubois said.

Amber's disappearance garnered national attention, including numerous profiles on television shows.

On Tuesday, searchers discovered what they believe to be the body of 17-year-old Chelsea King in a shallow grave at Lake Hodges. Chelsea disappeared Feb. 25 at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on while on a late-afternoon jog.

On Sunday, 30-year-old John Albert Gardner III, a registered sex offender, was arrested and charged with murder in the commission of a rape or an attempted rape.

Gardner pleaded not guilty to the charges Thursday and remains in custody without bail. He is also charged with assault in connection with an attack on another woman at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Dec. 27. The victim in that incident was able to fend off her attacker.

Gardner lived in Escondido near the high school from January 2008 to January 2010. City police say they contacted him eight times during that span and are taking a fresh look at him since his arrest for the killing of Chelsea King.

Before his arrest Sunday evening, the state's sex offender registry listed Gardner most recently as a Lake Elsinore-area resident.

Authorities in Riverside County are reviewing sexual assault and attempted sexual assault cases in that area to see if Gardner matches the description in any of those incident.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_bdbf0394-2891-11df-865a-001cc4c002e0.html


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Post by: canadianmonkey on March 05, 2010, 04:06:48 PM
I have read this thread for a very long time.  I don't contribute often but I would just like to say my thoughts and prayers are with Ambers family.  I really hope this lead doesn't turn out to be Amber...not that I don't want Amber to be found, it's just I don't want her to be found like this.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Also, I'm with you traceygirl.  I'm in Canada but i'd be willing to hop a plane to go and find out what is happening.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 04:08:10 PM
I have read this thread for a very long time.  I don't contribute often but I would just like to say my thoughts and prayers are with Ambers family.  I really hope this lead doesn't turn out to be Amber...not that I don't want Amber to be found, it's just I don't want her to be found like this.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Also, I'm with you traceygirl.  I'm in Canada but i'd be willing to hop a plane to go and find out what is happening.   ::MonkeyWink::

I am in Canada as well.  We can sit next to each other on our way to pick up Tracy. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 04:09:18 PM
ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Police officers, a sheriff's dive team and FBI agents searched Kit Carson Park Friday in response to a 10-month-old tip possibly related to the disappearance of a teenage North County girl more than a year ago.

About 30 personnel from the various agencies began looking through the open-space and recreation area off Bear Valley Parkway in Escondido Friday morning to follow up on the report, which was received on Thursday night, police Lt. Craig Carter said.

Search teams with dogs combed the area, with some searchers wearing waders to investigate the lake and pond areas.

MORE....

http://www.10news.com/news/22754484/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 04:10:49 PM
San Diego Park Searched After Tip in Amber Dubois Disappearance

ESCONDIDO -- Police are searching Kit Carson Park after receiving a tip concerning a bag possibly containing hair found three months after the disappearance of Amber Dubois.

A 9-year-old and two 11-year-olds reportedly discovered the hair in the park in May of 2009.

Thursday night the children reminded their parents about seeing a "bag with what looked like hair coming out of it," Escondido police Lieutenant Craig Carter said.

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Searchers have found a sack in the southern reaches of the park, but it's not immediately clear if it's the one in question, and detectives have yet to open it, Carter said.

The park is two miles northeast of the area where a body, believed to be that of Poway teenager Chelsea King, was found Tuesday.

Amber was last seen Feb. 13, 2009.

She was 14 years old when she left to walk to Escondido High School from her home a few blocks away.

Two witnesses said they saw her on the sidewalk just a few hundred yards from the school's main entrance, but she never made it inside.

At the time Amber disappeared, registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the man charged in King's murder, lived just two miles from the school in the Rock Springs East apartment complex.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-amber-dubois-search,0,2295221.story


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Post by: canadianmonkey on March 05, 2010, 04:12:00 PM
I have read this thread for a very long time.  I don't contribute often but I would just like to say my thoughts and prayers are with Ambers family.  I really hope this lead doesn't turn out to be Amber...not that I don't want Amber to be found, it's just I don't want her to be found like this.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Also, I'm with you traceygirl.  I'm in Canada but i'd be willing to hop a plane to go and find out what is happening.   ::MonkeyWink::

I am in Canada as well.  We can sit next to each other on our way to pick up Tracy. 

Count me in...maybe we can get a group discount. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 04:22:58 PM
Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the suspect in the rape and murder of Chelsea King, was contacted by Escondido police at least eight times since January 2008, far more times than usual, it was reported today.

http://www.10news.com/news/22750621/detail.html



Edward
- I moved Chelsea's thread up under Ambers.  In Chelsea's area I added some information on Kevin O'Reilly. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 04:24:59 PM
Ok so I just had a thought, maybe I am holding on to hope, but you don't think LE is acting on this and throwing the Amber name out there so they can show everyone they are not asleep on the job? After all, they are pretty much getting a beating for their lack of attention to this case. If they are and that is what all of this is about...well actually that would be good wouldn't it? I really do want them to find Amber in some basement in Montana or where ever.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 04:35:27 PM
Ok so I just had a thought, maybe I am holding on to hope, but you don't think LE is acting on this and throwing the Amber name out there so they can show everyone they are not asleep on the job? After all, they are pretty much getting a beating for their lack of attention to this case. If they are and that is what all of this is about...well actually that would be good wouldn't it? I really do want them to find Amber in some basement in Montana or where ever.

I had the same exact thought!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on March 05, 2010, 05:24:54 PM
I did catch Amber's Grandmother today.  You were much gentler and kinder than I could ever be in these circumstances.  I was so happy that you spoke today and I am sure Amber is very happy as well.  I send my strength and prayers.  LE must search and do it right and expedite.  It has been a year too long.  To Grandma, let er rip!

Northern, when I sound gentle and kind it is years of legal training that you are hearing and, in fact, represents determination.  The fury for LE failures to utilize all available means to search for Amber remains intact.  Appreciation for all the prayers and support grows day by day and gives us all strength.  Thank you.  Needless to say, my love for Amber is never ending.  And, my Amber would correct you about my name...I am Grandmom, and, I surely will let er rip!


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Post by: Ambers Grandmom on March 05, 2010, 05:33:12 PM
On HLN today one of the speaking heads was saying there are now 7 cases that they believe JAG could be involved in.  Did anyone else catch that?


Ouch!  "Speaking heads" is monkey for Issues?  Anyway, it was Jane Velez on HLN that held up the sign with "7" on it.

Amber's Grandmom, apparently a.k.a speaking head...and I may never hear the end of that appellation.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 05:49:21 PM
Prayers to you Ambers Grandmom. I am pleased to know you are on the fighting end of this. Amber has a great advocate in you, that is very apparent. If you ever need anything at all from me, please do not hesitate to contact me.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 05:59:34 PM
I did catch Amber's Grandmother today.  You were much gentler and kinder than I could ever be in these circumstances.  I was so happy that you spoke today and I am sure Amber is very happy as well.  I send my strength and prayers.  LE must search and do it right and expedite.  It has been a year too long.  To Grandma, let er rip!

Northern, when I sound gentle and kind it is years of legal training that you are hearing and, in fact, represents determination.  The fury for LE failures to utilize all available means to search for Amber remains intact.  Appreciation for all the prayers and support grows day by day and gives us all strength.  Thank you.  Needless to say, my love for Amber is never ending.  And, my Amber would correct you about my name...I am Grandmom, and, I surely will let er rip!

You are a wonderful Grandmom!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 05, 2010, 06:01:14 PM
Ambers Grandmom, Carrie, Moe, Ampersand, family & friends, I am not very good at expressing emotions (character flaw).  Just wanted to know that you and Amber are in my thoughts and prayers, every day.  Many of us here have diligently worked to find clues to Amber's where abouts and we will not give up until Amber is home.  When watching the Olympics, I saw a special on a wolf preserve up in Vancover area.  Through tears I was hoping that Amber was somewhere watching it too.   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 06:02:13 PM
On HLN today one of the speaking heads was saying there are now 7 cases that they believe JAG could be involved in.  Did anyone else catch that?


Ouch!  "Speaking heads" is monkey for Issues?  Anyway, it was Jane Velez on HLN that held up the sign with "7" on it.

Amber's Grandmom, apparently a.k.a speaking head...and I may never hear the end of that appellation.

"speaking heads" refers to one of the guest commentators/specialists that they always invite to "weigh in"  aka Judge Mathis, or any of the other Lawyers that are regular talk show guests.  I would not refer to any family member as one of the speaking heads. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 05, 2010, 06:27:49 PM
Thank You kaasend


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Post by: Nut44x4 on March 05, 2010, 06:36:05 PM
::MonkeyMad:: as usual, it won't load for me


Nut does nothing happen at all?  Then it might be a popup blocker or security setting.

Here's what I transcribed from the radio interview:



Thanks Klaas....the page loads, and I can see the screen for the VID, but it is just black. Then words came up: Cannot load at this time.
Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 05, 2010, 06:37:40 PM
California park searched in 2nd missing teen case
(AP) – 36 minutes ago

ESCONDIDO, Calif. — Police searched a park near San Diego on Friday in their effort to find a girl who vanished about a year ago in the same region where 17-year-old Chelsea King disappeared last week.

Investigators and a dive team focused on a wooded area of Kit Carson Park where a creek enters a pond.
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5je-HRvV-4X3wPx0Xg_VSoj9vVfMw?size=s2)
News photographers were kept far away but could see investigators taking pictures of items on an evidence table.

Amber Dubois, 14, vanished while walking to Escondido High School in February 2009.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said three children told their parents three months later about finding what looked like human hair in a bag in the park, but the parents didn't think it significant at the time.

King's disappearance and the discovery of a body in a grave in another park near Escondido drew a huge public outcry and renewed interest in Amber's case.

Authorities said there is a strong likelihood the body found by Lake Hodges is that of King, but an official identification won't be made immediately.

Carter said Friday a bag was found at the park, but it was not immediately opened.

Convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III has pleaded not guilty to murdering King during a rape or attempted rape. He also was charged with assaulting a woman in December with intent to rape.

King, a student at Poway High School, was last seen alive Feb. 25. Her car was found at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Gardner, 30, pleaded guilty in 2000 to molesting a neighbor girl in Rancho Bernardo. He was registered as a sex offender living about 55 miles away in Lake Elsinore in Riverside County. His mother has a home in Rancho Bernardo.

Escondido, Rancho Bernardo and Poway are neighboring communities in San Diego County.

In Lake Elsinore, authorities are looking into a report in October that a 16-year-old girl fled from a man who tried to force her into a car at gunpoint. A sketch of the suspect appears similar to Gardner.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZxpBuPrX2vIYnBuZtCVLuNvBN6gD9E8ONG80


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 07:16:28 PM
Park search continues for new leads in Dubois disappearance

A plastic bag sought by police during the search at Kit Carson Park is found empty, but "items of interest" are still to be investigated in the Amber Dubois ...

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/05/100305ambersearch1_t290.jpg?f6b8fad9a184768e3c55b26d549f4805c6c42fef)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 05, 2010, 07:50:04 PM
Prayers for Amber and her family.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 05, 2010, 09:31:10 PM
Thank you Monkeys - we will not give up hope for Amber's safe return and we know you won't either - until it's proven otherwise - we all have hope and we will not stop searching... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 11:25:44 PM
Pond Drained After Tip in Amber Dubois Disappearance

ESCONDIDO -- Police say they are draining a pond in a park north of San Diego in their efforts to find a girl who vanished about a year ago in the same area where 17-year-old Chelsea King disappeared last week.

investigators began searching Kit Carson Park after receiving a tip concerning a bag possibly containing hair found three months after the disappearance of Amber Dubois.

A 9-year-old and two 11-year-olds reportedly discovered the hair in the park in May of 2009.

Thursday night the children reminded their parents about seeing a "bag with what looked like hair coming out of it," Escondido police Lieutenant Craig Carter said.

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Searchers have found a sack in the southern reaches of the park, but it's not immediately clear if it's the one in question, and detectives have yet to open it, Carter said.

The park is two miles northeast of the area where a body, believed to be that of Poway teenager Chelsea King, was found Tuesday.

Amber was last seen Feb. 13, 2009.

She was 14 years old when she left to walk to Escondido High School from her home a few blocks away.

Two witnesses said they saw her on the sidewalk just a few hundred yards from the school's main entrance, but she never made it inside.

At the time Amber disappeared, registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the man charged in King's murder, lived just two miles from the school in the Rock Springs East apartment complex.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-amber-dubois-search,0,2295221.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 11:29:33 PM
ESCONDIDO ---- City work crews began draining a small pond Friday night in Kit Carson Park in a renewed search for evidence in the disappearance of Amber Dubois, the 14-year-old last seen walking to Escondido High School a year ago February.

Escondido police, the FBI and divers from the San Diego County Sheriff's Department spent the day searching the pond and brushy areas behind a stand of trees in the park near the Westfield North County mall.

City public works crews also cut reeds at the pond's edges to water level.

The search was organized after the parents of three girls called police Thursday night to say the sisters had found a black plastic bag with hair in or on it at the park nine months ago, Escondido Police Department spokesman Lt. Craig Carter said.

After hearing of this week's search for another missing teen, Chelsea King, who disappeared Feb. 25 during a late-afternoon jog at Rancho Bernardo Community Park, the girls reminded their parents of their discovery.

They pointed out a bag in the same general area of the pond Thursday night, telling police it was the one they saw.

The bag had decayed and no longer contained anything, police said, except for a bit of mud.

However, police collected other bags at the pond but did not say what they contained.


About noon Friday, Amber's father, Maurice Dubois, arrived at the park and spoke with police.

Dubois said he was told that because the search area where the hair was reportedly found is near a large picnic area, a body probably would have been discovered long ago.

But the renewed search for clues about his missing daughter and a fresh spate of tips being reported to police are particularly encouraging, Dubois said.

Amber's disappearance garnered national attention, including numerous profiles on television shows.

About 72 people participated in Friday's search for evidence in Amber's case. Carter said police and crews would resume their search Saturday morning, after they drained the pond.

The pond, in the southwest corner of the park, is connected to a creek that feeds into Lake Hodges, where police discovered what they believe to be Chelsea's body in a shallow grave at the shore's edge Tuesday.

On Sunday, John Albert Gardner III, 30, a registered sex offender, was arrested on suspicion of murder in the commission of a rape or an attempted rape on Chelsea.

Gardner pleaded not guilty to the charges Wednesday and remains in custody without bail.

He is also charged with assault in connection with a Dec. 27 attack on another woman at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

The victim in that incident was able to fend off her attacker.

Gardner lived in Escondido near the high school from January 2008 to January 2010.

Police said they contacted him eight times during that span and are taking a fresh look at him since his arrest Sunday.

Dubois said he hoped that if Gardner is responsible for Amber's disappearance, he would tell police.

"We hope that any crime he has committed, he would do the right thing and help that family have some closure," Dubois said. "If there are any other cases that he is involved in, he should be able to have some remorse and give that information up."

Before his arrest Sunday, the state's sex offender registry listed Gardner most recently as a Lake Elsinore-area resident.

Authorities in Riverside County are reviewing sexual assault and attempted sexual assault cases in that area to see whether Gardner matches the description in any of those incidents.


http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_bdbf0394-2891-11df-865a-001cc4c002e0.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 05, 2010, 11:55:09 PM
i think that is weird that two kids would find a bag with hair in it and no one else, not even a park maintenance worker would not see it. I can't even keep a water bottle on the ground when I go for a run in the park, and then come back to get the bottle and find that someone threw it out meaning it is gone. Parks are not a place to dump  trash or even a body for that matter and then expect it to be just lying there...that counts for body parts as well. ((edit - I see no reason for this line of talk/theorizing))


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 06, 2010, 12:54:52 AM
Thank you for the updates. Glad to know they are seriously searching for Amber. Lets hope, (and stay on them), that they keep this up wtih all tips that come in from now on.

BTW, if you have not visited the thread entitled, who is kevin Oreilly in the chelsea folder, then you may want to take a look.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 06, 2010, 01:07:15 AM
here are some ways to connect amber with john gardner. Amber was reported missing on a friday. Chelsea king was reported missing on a thursday evening. Pretty close days of abduction, armchairanalysist said it maybe around that time he gets paid. Maybe Gardner is off on fridays and goes to the bar to drink or smoke and think about where he should pick his next victim. Amber was walking to school. Chelsea was jogging in the park. These are two activities that both girls participated on in a regular basis. Amber lives in Escondido, Chelsea lives in Rancho Bernardo or somewhere by escondido. John lives somewhere close by both girls. Amber was planning on getting a lamb, Chelsea was planning on graduating from her HS in Spring. John Gardner was planning on abducting and raping any girl. He planned it before in 1998. He goes for 2. Gardner has twin boys, maybe it is a sign he would have 2 victims that are like twins maybe of a reminder, just a weird idea, has no truth behind it. John Gardner is not afraid of attacking women, whether they are alone or with someone else. John Gardner is good at hiding things. John Gardner may be hiding more bodies, maybe dismembering them, maybe he didn't have time to dismember chelsea's remains because he may have had a feeling someone was going to report Chelsea missing pretty soon and that cops would show up at the park soon. John Gardner may have out of anger, pulled amber's hair out of his sexual motivation to power women and because he believes you can't fingerprint hair... he may have pulled Chelsea's hair while she was running and yanked her by the head from behind to get her. Gardner is a electrician, gardner owns his own work truck, probably is a bad driver which is why he was stopped by a RSO in Riv. county on 01/28/2010, so he sells his vehicle or trades it in for another to evade police from utilizing GPRS to tail his suspect vehicle. Gardner is a man who believes that he has to stay satisfied in order to be happy. Gardner tries to satisfy himself by raping or having lewd/lascivious acts with children, then when that goes awry he disposes of his victims or tries even harder to satisfy himself. I don't know if Gardner was ever married but from what i know about sex offenders, personally, if you consider somebody who cheats on you when you're married, you can be labeled as a sex offender (meaning that is a sex charge in other countries like India, middle east etc). Back to similarities with Amber and Chelsea, both girls had good parents, grandparents, the reality is, Gardner had good parents too, maybe they were just too good, kind of like how Nancy Garrido was good and so faithful to Phillip Garrido in carrying out the abduction of Jaycee Dugard, Jaycee Dugard had 2 kids with Garrido. I am getting this feeling that Gardner was loved or his bad behavior was overlooked because he was the kind of person to make everybody all bashful around him so much that nobody bothered to yell at him or tell him what to do because he was just so nice and charming (well spoken). No drugs were involved in this case. Maybe a cigarette butt. Why do people smoke, to breathe in and out, maybe gardner has asthma, he has trouble breathing, can't run very fast, can't jog, coughs a lot, spits a lot, has a lot of saliva. He has a big neck, klaasend said. Maybe he eats Mcdonalds a lot or his grandma is always baking and just doesn't move around a whole lot except when he has to do what he does best (please don't take this the wrong way). I dont know what its like to have a grandma, but aren't they always nosy about everything? However, some are forgetful even have alzheimers. Maybe disconcertment runs in Gardner's family, if that is even a word. Jon Benet Ramsey was killed, found dead in a basement strangled or beaten in her home, she had pineapple in her stomach. Maybe Gardner poisoned amber (using drugs or whatever necessary). He didn't want the death to look like rape and murder, then dumped the body elsewhere to look like suicide... anyone wants to help make this list shorter and make more sense, please because there are so many tiny things that lying around that you can't find on the internet or by reading the news. I am just waiting on news if he orders viagra on the internet or goes to mexico to buy drugs and this habit of raping children has been like a drug addiction, which I doubt but is likely. I really hope something will catch somthing that will help find amber alive, maybe in mexico, I also hope they find her, maybe she lost a ton of weight that you can barely recognize her, maybe she has a differnet hair color, maybe gardner did something to make her lose her memmory, or somebody did, there are drugs out there that can do a lot to hurt your brain. hopefully someone will get some sleep soon.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: darla on March 06, 2010, 01:20:11 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!

PI.....I am not dogging you on your post but Amber's family post here and read here. There has been no mention of dismemberment with anyone. I wouldn't want them to be hurt anymore than they already are hurting.

JAG was seen in a gold color car that he wrecked a month or so ago. And from what i understand it was taken to the junkyard.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: darla on March 06, 2010, 02:03:44 AM
I don't understand how you can call that woman that helped her husband keep a teenager prisoner for 18 yrs a good woman. And you need to go read Who is Kevin O' Rielly thread before you say that John Gardner had good parents.

I am sorry...I just don't understand your post at all.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 06, 2010, 03:06:45 AM
Hi Pi,
Follow this link http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0 and it will give you an idea of the mother of JAG. Her name is Catherine J Osborn and we believe that she may be married to this Kevin O'Reilly person.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 06, 2010, 08:12:12 AM
Posted: Saturday, 06 March 2010 3:41AM

FBI Will Analyze Contents of Bags Found in the Area

snipped...
Carter said the bag doesn't appear to be connected to the Dubois case, but an FBI evidence response team will analyze the contents.

Carter said other bags also were found Friday and the contents of those will be analyzed as well.
http://www.knx1070.com/Pond-Drained-Near-San-Diego--in-Search-for-Missing/6508785


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 06, 2010, 10:57:48 AM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZxpBuPrX2vIYnBuZtCVLuNvBN6gD9E97J580
2 missing teen cases, 2 different police responses

By ELLIOT SPAGAT (AP) – 3 minutes ago

SAN DIEGO — The disappearances of 14-year-old Amber Dubois and 17-year-old Chelsea King illustrate a sad fact: not all missing children cases are treated the same.

Chelsea disappeared Feb. 25, last seen in a park with running clothes. The case sparked a search that involved a small army of 1,500 law enforcement officials from dozens of agencies and thousands of volunteers.

It ended five days later when a body was found in a shallow lakeside grave.

Amber was walking to school when she vanished a year ago just 10 miles north of the site where Chelsea was last seen. Leads went nowhere. The news media showed little interest.

Perhaps the biggest determinant in getting the attention of law enforcement and reporters is whether there are signs of foul play that may put other children at risk. The skill of a victim's family at working with the media and mobilizing supporters also helps decide which cases capture public interest.

There are 115 non-family child abductions a year in the United States — an average of more than two a week, according to the latest Department of Justice figures from 1999. But only a handful get anywhere near the attention that followed the disappearance of Chelsea King.

FBI dive teams scoured Lake Hodges for Chelsea, the Marines dispatched a C-130 plane and an unmanned aerial vehicle circled above. Law enforcement officers came from as far as Santa Barbara, more than 200 miles away.
San Diego County Sheriff William Gore was at the scene the same night Chelsea's father found her 1994 BMW parked at Rancho Bernardo Community Park and stayed throughout much of the round-the-clock search.

Signs of foul play quickly emerged. In addition to the locked car, a California Department of Justice spokeswoman said authorities found Chelsea's semen-stained clothing, leading them to arrest convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III outside a restaurant in Escondido.

Gardner, 30, spent five years in prison for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in 2000. He has pleaded not guilty to Chelsea's murder and the attempted rape of another woman in December.

Susan Plese, a spokeswoman for the San Diego County Sheriff's Department, said no one was available Friday to discuss the scale of the response to the King case compared to other disappearances. Experts said evidence of foul play was probably key.

"Any evidence that confirms foul play will definitely bump up the visibility," said David Finkelhor, director of the University of New Hampshire's Crimes Against Children Research Center. "If there's a homicidal maniac in the community and there's a threat to you and your kid, that always increases the fever about a case."

Maurice Dubois said a spate of early reports that his daughter had been seen hampered his efforts to draw attention to the case. None of those sightings panned out and instead fueled speculation that Amber was a runaway rather than a crime victim.

Amber was last seen walking on Feb. 13, 2009 with a man about 200 yards from Escondido High School by a woman who used to drive her to middle school, her father said. Another neighbor reported seeing her about 300 yards from school. Yet Amber never appeared on school surveillance cameras.
Amber, a member of Future Farmers of America, left home with a $200 check to buy a lamb. It was never cashed.

"The circumstances were completely different," Dubois said. "The evidence that they found on Chelsea led them to believe that they needed to find her immediately. There was never, ever any evidence found on Amber."

Children from wealthy families tend to generate more attention, said Finkelhor, partly because the parents seem to be more adept at working with the media and building networks.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, patiently and skillfully worked with the media through their anguish, aided by a volunteer public relations professional. In interviews, they gave Chelsea's life story: the oldest child of long-married parents, straight-A student, French horn player in the youth symphony, avid long-distance runner, tireless volunteer for school and community activities.

Chelsea's friends at Poway High School turned out in droves.

"Right before I broke the news (of the body discovery), they were telling stories about her — funny things she said, silly things she did," said Paula Bunn, a counselor at the Chelsea King Volunteer Center. "You could tell she was very loved by her friends."

Ernest Allen, executive director of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said he was immediately drawn to Amber's case because she did not appear troubled and was so excited to go to school that day to buy her lamb. Still, reporters and TV producers kept asking about speculation that she was a runaway.
What I hear all the time is, 'It's just a missing kid. Tell me why this one is different,'" Allen said. "The ones that get the attention are the ones that are clear and unequivocal" foul play.

Ironically, it was Chelsea's disappearance that sparked intense interest in finding Amber. Her parents, who are separated, are now besieged by reporters and Escondido police say they are seeking potential links between Amber and Gardner.

"I believe it's going to proceed at a much more accelerated pace now," Dubois said.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2010, 11:04:32 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ambermap_t352.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 06, 2010, 12:32:47 PM
LE of Escondido has never revealed to exact location of the cell phone ping..

If Gardeners home was the area of the ping then that would be the Tie to Gardner in my opinion.

The F.B.I. should ask Escondido LE for this information and the family should know it too.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 06, 2010, 01:26:08 PM
He has a black sedan? Didn't other people report a light colored sedan? Maybe he had a paint job in case anyone was on to him?

Three vehicles had been mentioned so far, gold car, black sedan and a Cadillac he was working on in Mom's driveway a few weeks ago.  Maybe he fixes clunkers and ditches them?


I think you may be on to something Northern Rose! In this article borrowed from Chelsea's thread, it says that when he was pulled over he had no registration for the car!!1

The Enterprise Report has learned exclusively that the accused killer of 17-year old San Diego high school student Chelsea King -- John Albert Gardner, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, CA was stopped by police In Riverside County, CA, only three weeks prior the disappearance of the San Diego teenager.

King's body is believed to have been located by police investigating her disappearance from a park in Northern San Diego County last week. Gardner was arraigned on murder charges today in San Diego and has plead not guilty.


Gardner was stopped by police in Riverside Co. on January 30, 2010 according to court records reviewed the The Enterprise Report.  The reason for the police stop is not yet known, but Gardner was cited for not having proof of insurance and for driving without registration for the car.  Whether or not police investigators in San Diego County were aware of the Riverside County case is still not known.
 

According to court records reviewed by TER, Gardner, who was already a suspect in a previous December 2009 attack on another women in the same San Diego park has been linked by police to that attack.  Gardner never bothered to show up to the Riverside Court or properly take carer of the citation as required by law after the January police stop.

Having not done so, Gardner's name should have generated a warrant for his arrest issued by the court handling the case.  According to the Riverside County Sheriff's Dept, no warrant currently exists for Gardner in their system.  According to court records reviewed by TER the CA-DMV was notified of the case by the Riverside Court as the law requires.   


Gardner who is registered as a convicted sex offender in Riverside Co, was staying with his mother who lives in San Diego County near the crime scene. Chelsea King was last seen on last Thursday when she headed to the park for a jog.

http://theenterprisereport.typepad.com/news/2010/03/exclusive-sex-offender-accused-killer-john-gardner-stopped-by-police-3-weeks-prior-to-murder-of-chel.html


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Hello all,

I have been lurking around for sometime, trying to catch up on all the postings as there has been so much activity since the Chelsea King case.  Disgusting that this psychopath was allowed to walk the streets with these innocent children.  Makes me feel physically ill. 

In reading this article about JAG being stopped and that he did not provide law enforcement with registration for the vehicle.  What does that mean, he did not have current registration form? It had to be registered to someone, a previous owner, etc.  May not have been paid and current, but who did the vehicle belong to?  Or does this mean it was registered to him, however the paperwork was not with him in the vehicle??? So many questions, so little answers. 

Moderators:

When I click on the compatibility icon, I get booted off and an error message tells me the session failed and to log out and log back in, which I did, however the problem persists.  FYI I don’t know if anyone else experiences this problem.  So now I just type my post in a word document and paste in the box.  Works fine.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 06, 2010, 01:37:43 PM
Posted: Saturday, 06 March 2010 3:41AM

FBI Will Analyze Contents of Bags Found in the Area

snipped...
Carter said the bag doesn't appear to be connected to the Dubois case, but an FBI evidence response team will analyze the contents.

Carter said other bags also were found Friday and the contents of those will be analyzed as well.
http://www.knx1070.com/Pond-Drained-Near-San-Diego--in-Search-for-Missing/6508785

(snipped) from the above link.

Investigators located a bag near the pond in Kit Carson Park that three children reported finding in May — three months after Amber Dubois, 14, vanished while walking to school, Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said. The children told their parents the bag contained what looked like human hair, but the parents didn't think it significant at the time.

Pardon my French, but wtf? Didn’t think it was significant???? I missing girl in the area, what the bleep is wrong with everyone?  Unreal.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 06, 2010, 01:47:42 PM
Anyone see this yet?

http://www.knx1070.com/Police-Investigating-Vandalism-at-Home-Of-King-Sus/6487140

Someone vandalized the JAG's parents home.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 06, 2010, 01:48:37 PM
 I wonder if LE scoped out area's of the city to find a crime scene for Amber. Did they have dive teams in the area's lakes? Dogs out in all of the parks? Helicopters? With Chelsea they got lucky it was right there, but what if JAG took her by car to another area, then what?So I suppose the lesson could be if you are going to rape and murder someone make sure you take them to some other place? To me it sounds like lazy police work. I guess I don't accept that they did all they could do to find Amber. I am glad they are doing it now, lets hope they can find something, somewhere.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 01:53:40 PM
It's a new day and we have found out a lot about JAG's mother, step-father and their extra curricular activities.  I am hoping that LE , the FBI and search teams do a thorough and complete search of the park today.  I am also hoping that they get more tips now that will lead them to Amber.  Amber needs to be found. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 06, 2010, 01:55:46 PM
JAG's has spent a lot of time outside recently - his face and neck are very tanned compared to his arms and hands - outside with long sleeves and gloves - but no head cover? 

Is this part of his work?  Is this how he spotted his victims?  Just putting it out there...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 01:56:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/r1Lofbb15Pc&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 06, 2010, 01:57:30 PM
I really should stop posting this because maybe I am wrong and now the F.B.I. team is on the scene but PARKS have been mentioned in our thread on Amber since early on and I have always had in my gut that Amber was taken North and the back way out of Escondido leads us to many parks..
 Dogs apparently got hits in certain areas and G. Park or the roads that lead to it, I have mentioned many times.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 06, 2010, 02:00:32 PM
There was construction going on across from the church along the road when Amber walked to school. Is it at all possible Gardner worked on that crew ?

Edit: Fix typo.  MB


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 06, 2010, 02:00:52 PM
I wonder if LE scoped out area's of the city to find a crime scene for Amber. Did they have dive teams in the area's lakes? Dogs out in all of the parks? Helicopters? With Chelsea they got lucky it was right there, but what if JAG took her by car to another area, then what?So I suppose the lesson could be if you are going to rape and murder someone make sure you take them to some other place? To me it sounds like lazy police work. I guess I don't accept that they did all they could do to find Amber. I am glad they are doing it now, lets hope they can find something, somewhere.

The first three days of Amber's disappearance (Sat, Sun and holiday Mon) - the focus was on immediate family and home as LE were not convinced it was an abduction - sightings during the long weekend, which were of course bogus, only fueled that belief...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 02:01:03 PM
JAG's has spent a lot of time outside recently - his face and neck are very tanned compared to his arms and hands - outside with long sleeves and gloves - but no head cover? 

Is this part of his work?  Is this how he spotted his victims?  Just putting it out there...

Ampersand I just posted a very detailed article in Chelsea's thread about JAG and his mother.  He was unemployed.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1088676#msg1088676 

If you have not done so you will want to read the thread we created for JAG's step father and mother and what they do for fun. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 06, 2010, 02:03:39 PM
It's a new day and we have found out a lot about JAG's mother, step-father and their extra curricular activities.  I am hoping that LE , the FBI and search teams do a thorough and complete search of the park today.  I am also hoping that they get more tips now that will lead them to Amber.  Amber needs to be found. 

LE needs to find out exactly what this group is, what they do, how they do it and if there is any role playing involved. jmo

also I would hope they have gone back over each and every lead that came in during the first month or so. As I have said several times, they don't act on each lead. I have told the story of Denise Hubert. They could have maybe found the girl alive if they had taken my tip seriously. Instead they put it in the unlikely pile.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 02:03:44 PM
I really should stop posting this because maybe I am wrong and now the F.B.I. team is on the scene but PARKS have been mentioned in our thread on Amber since early on and I have always had in my gut that Amber was taken North and the back way out of Escondido leads us to many parks..
 Dogs apparently got hits in certain areas and G. Park or the roads that lead to it, I have mentioned many times.


I totally agree with you.  With the cell being found to the north that is the direction that should be concentrated on.  IF JAG is involved, then he may have headed north to Lake Elsinore to Grannie's house or up to Running Springs.  That is the direction to look again, and look hard.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 02:05:59 PM
Slide show of the search yesterday.

http://www.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryid=1061430&slide=1


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 06, 2010, 02:07:06 PM
I wonder if LE scoped out area's of the city to find a crime scene for Amber. Did they have dive teams in the area's lakes? Dogs out in all of the parks? Helicopters? With Chelsea they got lucky it was right there, but what if JAG took her by car to another area, then what?So I suppose the lesson could be if you are going to rape and murder someone make sure you take them to some other place? To me it sounds like lazy police work. I guess I don't accept that they did all they could do to find Amber. I am glad they are doing it now, lets hope they can find something, somewhere.

The first three days of Amber's disappearance (Sat, Sun and holiday Mon) - the focus was on immediate family and home as LE were not convinced it was an abduction - sightings during the long weekend, which were of course bogus, only fueled that belief...

And all I can to say to this is  :2brickwall: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 06, 2010, 02:09:19 PM
There was construction going on across from the church along the road when Amber walked to school. Is it at all possible Gardner worked on that crew ? Edit fix typo. MB

He could have either posed as a worker or been hired as an independent sub contractor. If the later, then LE should already know the answer to this question and if not, then they need to find out. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 06, 2010, 02:18:08 PM
Pond in Escondido Park Being Drained in Search for Amber Dubois
http://www.sandiego6.com/mostpopular/story/Pond-in-Escondido-Park-Being-Drained-in-Search/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 06, 2010, 02:22:35 PM
JAG's has spent a lot of time outside recently - his face and neck are very tanned compared to his arms and hands - outside with long sleeves and gloves - but no head cover? 

Is this part of his work?  Is this how he spotted his victims?  Just putting it out there...

Ampersand I just posted a very detailed article in Chelsea's thread about JAG and his mother.  He was unemployed.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1088676#msg1088676 

If you have not done so you will want to read the thread we created for JAG's step father and mother and what they do for fun. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0

I'm working to catch up...;)

If JAG has been unemployed...what's he been doing to achieve this unusual tanning pattern? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 06, 2010, 02:22:38 PM
IF they are draining the lake.. They must have something with what they found.???

Draining a pond is a big move in my humble opinion..

Maybe they do this all the time I do not know,.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
Posting this here as it gives details that link JAG to other places, like Mira Mesa and Lawndale.

Picture emerges of suspect as deeply troubled

RUNNING SPRINGS — He was popular with girls and made fun of by classmates. He ran errands for neighbors and discovered outdoor sports. He could be moody and aggressive when he didn’t take his medication.

By any measure, the adolescent years that accused killer John Albert Gardner III spent in this mountaintop village were the high-water mark of a deeply troubled life.

He was never a standout at Rim of the World High School, the all-weather campus along state Route 18 overlooking the Los Angeles Basin. Many teachers and former students at the Home of the Fighting Scots don’t even remember him.

But this is where Gardner, a 30-year-old convicted sex offender charged Wednesday with the murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway, also flourished.

It’s where he spent his formative years, where his mom bounced checks for the hockey equipment he needed, where he dated for the first time and where classmates teased him for being “dorky and unpopular.”

This is where he excelled at pottery, listened to country music and sang in the high school choir. Those who knew Gardner considered him bright, intelligent and full of promise.

But today Gardner is confronting life in prison — perhaps the death penalty — if he is convicted of killing Chelsea, the track star and French-horn player who went missing Feb. 25 while out for a jog at Lake Hodges.

“The person that we knew and the person that they’re describing are two different people,” said one of Gardner’s former neighbors, who did not want her name published because she fears her business would suffer. “In my heart, if he did do these things, I think it was just because he gave up,” the woman said. “He got tired of asking for help.”
 
Gardner was living in the Los Angeles suburb of Lawndale in 1990 when his mother filed for divorce from his father. The family packed up and moved to this San Bernardino Mountain vacation retreat after her divorce became official.

Catherine Jeannette Gardner also had two older daughters, then 17 and 18, from a previous marriage; she would have two more husbands before her son’s latest arrest.

His parents’ separation caused him extreme anxiety, eventually leading to hospitalization and psychiatric treatment, court records say. The divorce records show Gardner’s father was ordered to pay $70 a month in child support.

Even through the months leading up to their son’s 18th birthday, Gardner’s mother and father fought in court over money, custody and much more.

“I have left message after message for John but I never hear from him,” his father wrote to a family court judge in November 1996. “My Christmas gift to John was returned even though I sent it to the correct address.”

While enrolled in public schools, Gardner was identified as an SED child, or seriously emotionally disturbed. A psychiatrist noted that lithium helped the boy’s bipolar disorder until he had to discontinue the medication because of side effects such as irritable bowel syndrome.

Up on the mountain, Gardner generally managed to stay out of trouble. He played baseball in the spring, skied through the winters and used a neighbor’s climbing wall. According to the divorce file, he even joined the law-enforcement component of the school’s regional-occupation program, which tries to match young people to suitable careers.

Family friends said despite Gardner’s outward confidence and cheery disposition, he struggled through adolescence. He suffered dramatic mood swings and talked openly about needing help.


“It seemed like his medications changed a lot, and we didn’t know if that was because of his mother or because he was seeing someone new” for treatment, said the neighbor and family friend, who also said Catherine Gardner worked as a mental-health administrator.

His first criminal conviction came in 1998, a year after he graduated from Rim of the World. Records show he was charged with disturbing the peace after showing up on the campus uninvited.

Local officials recommended probation because of his clean record. Despite getting a break from prosecutors, Gardner had difficulty meeting adult responsibilities.

He left the mountain in search of work, a career, someplace where, as his mother put it in court papers later, he could “contribute something meaningful back to society.”

But friends said Gardner was slow to find his niche.

He took assorted jobs before landing a part-time position at a San Diego sporting goods store, intermittently staying in touch with some friends from his high school years.

In the weeks before he turned 21, Gardner won a promotion at the Big 5 store in Mira Mesa to a full-time job, according to court records. He was singled out for his work ethic and dedication, and began dating a young co-worker.

At the same time, however, his interest in younger girls got the better of him.

On March 16, 2000, he picked up a pair of teenage girls on their way to school and took one of them to his mother’s Rancho Bernardo townhouse. As they watched a movie, he began rubbing the 13-year-old and, his sexual advances rebuffed, he beat and fondled the girl before she escaped.

Gardner was arrested within minutes and eventually pleaded guilty to committing lewd acts with a minor. He was facing more than 10 years in prison, yet three young women wrote to the judge seeking leniency.

“The first time that we went out I probably waited for about 4 hours for him to kiss me but after 4 hours of nothing I finally decided to kiss him,” former girlfriend Beth Melban wrote. “That is why I couldn’t believe he was being accused of forcing himself on a girl.”

One psychiatrist said Gardner showed no remorse and suggested he be locked up as long as possible; another recommended probation and treatment for Gardner, even though he had admitted having sexual relations with two underage girls.

Gardner was 21 when he was sentenced to six years in prison.


R.J. Donovan Correctional Facility is an overcrowded prison on Otay Mesa that often acts as a receiving barn for new convicts. Gardner arrived from San Diego County jail on Sept. 18, 2000.

Three months later he was sent to the California Correctional Institution in Tehachapi. While he was there, his father — a self-employed “assembler” — declared bankruptcy in 2002, with $5 in his pocket and $227 spread across three checking accounts.

In April 2005, Gardner was moved to Avenal State Prison in central California until he was paroled that September.

After his release, Gardner was monitored like thousands of other sex offenders who make parole. He was ordered to register with local police wherever he lived. In January 2008, eight months before his parole case was closed, Gardner was “placed on a passive GPS caseload,” a prison spokeswoman said.

Prison officials could not provide details of Gardner’s time in state custody or discuss his parole term. Requests for public records of his case have not yet been processed.

Two months after Gardner’s parole ended, his father died at age 64.

The son kept a decidedly low profile outside prison, although he did receive a few traffic citations. He bounced around between Riverside and San Diego counties. Police now suspect he was spending time scouting young girls.

In January 2009, 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido went missing from a street just two miles from where Gardner was living. Since his DNA was linked to Chelsea on Sunday, he has become a suspect in Amber’s case.

Riverside County investigators are checking a report from October that a man matching Gardner’s description tried to abduct a 14-year-old girl on her way to school in Lake Elsinore, where Gardner also registered as a sex offender.

By early this year, many of the better things in Gardner’s life were falling apart. Within the span of a few weeks earlier this year, he lost his steadiest job and his girlfriend and also crashed his car, according to a family acquaintance in Running Springs.

Witnesses now say Gardner may have been stalking girls near Bernardo Heights Middle School on Feb. 24. The next day Chelsea was gone.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/06/deeply-troubled-picture-emerges-of-suspects-life/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 02:25:05 PM
JAG's has spent a lot of time outside recently - his face and neck are very tanned compared to his arms and hands - outside with long sleeves and gloves - but no head cover? 

Is this part of his work?  Is this how he spotted his victims?  Just putting it out there...

Ampersand I just posted a very detailed article in Chelsea's thread about JAG and his mother.  He was unemployed.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1088676#msg1088676 

If you have not done so you will want to read the thread we created for JAG's step father and mother and what they do for fun. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0

I'm working to catch up...;)

If JAG has been unemployed...what's he been doing to achieve this unusual tanning pattern? 

Good question.  He was outside whatever he was doing.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 02:27:05 PM
IF they are draining the lake.. They must have something with what they found.???

Draining a pond is a big move in my humble opinion..

Maybe they do this all the time I do not know,.

I don't know either but I do know that I saw a cadaver dog dive into the lake when they were searching for Chelsea.  I want them to go back to that lake and find out what the dogs were hitting on. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 06, 2010, 02:27:09 PM
I really should stop posting this because maybe I am wrong and now the F.B.I. team is on the scene but PARKS have been mentioned in our thread on Amber since early on and I have always had in my gut that Amber was taken North and the back way out of Escondido leads us to many parks..
 Dogs apparently got hits in certain areas and G. Park or the roads that lead to it, I have mentioned many times.


I totally agree with you.  With the cell being found to the north that is the direction that should be concentrated on.  IF JAG is involved, then he may have headed north to Lake Elsinore to Grannie's house or up to Running Springs.  That is the direction to look again, and look hard.

The roads that lead to this Park was of major concern for me "and I do not know why" But something tells me the roads LEADING to this park and the park itself is the possible location..

I am probably wrong but from my understanding search teams had Dogs Hit in this area and I am not sure where..

Anyways here is a map we posted early on..

 
(http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/reusable_components/images/parks/images/GuajomeAdobe.jpg)
IF the F.B.I,. wants any help they should read ALL of our research in my humble opinion.

Anyways I hope the pond being drained today reveals something..

I am headed out to work..

God Bless the family of Amber Dubois.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 06, 2010, 02:31:50 PM
Hi Pi,
Follow this link http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0 and it will give you an idea of the mother of JAG. Her name is Catherine J Osborn and we believe that she may be married to this Kevin O'Reilly person.

Thanks, I have a lot of catching up to do. I should just keep my comments to myself, I am Beginning to confuse people.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
I really should stop posting this because maybe I am wrong and now the F.B.I. team is on the scene but PARKS have been mentioned in our thread on Amber since early on and I have always had in my gut that Amber was taken North and the back way out of Escondido leads us to many parks..
 Dogs apparently got hits in certain areas and G. Park or the roads that lead to it, I have mentioned many times.


I totally agree with you.  With the cell being found to the north that is the direction that should be concentrated on.  IF JAG is involved, then he may have headed north to Lake Elsinore to Grannie's house or up to Running Springs.  That is the direction to look again, and look hard.

The roads that lead to this Park was of major concern for me "and I do not know why" But something tells me the roads LEADING to this park and the park itself is the possible location..

I am probably wrong but from my understanding search teams had Dogs Hit in this area and I am not sure where..

Anyways here is a map we posted early on..

 
(http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/reusable_components/images/parks/images/GuajomeAdobe.jpg)
IF the F.B.I,. wants any help they should read ALL of our research in my humble opinion.

Anyways I hope the pond being drained today reveals something..

I am headed out to work..

God Bless the family of Amber Dubois.


Yes , God Bless Amber and her family, and God Bless you Edward and all the monkeys for never stopping to keep looking for Amber .

I have a lot to do today as well so will be back later.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 06, 2010, 05:46:38 PM
I really should stop posting this because maybe I am wrong and now the F.B.I. team is on the scene but PARKS have been mentioned in our thread on Amber since early on and I have always had in my gut that Amber was taken North and the back way out of Escondido leads us to many parks..
 Dogs apparently got hits in certain areas and G. Park or the roads that lead to it, I have mentioned many times.


I totally agree with you.  With the cell being found to the north that is the direction that should be concentrated on.  IF JAG is involved, then he may have headed north to Lake Elsinore to Grannie's house or up to Running Springs.  That is the direction to look again, and look hard.

The roads that lead to this Park was of major concern for me "and I do not know why" But something tells me the roads LEADING to this park and the park itself is the possible location..

I am probably wrong but from my understanding search teams had Dogs Hit in this area and I am not sure where..

Anyways here is a map we posted early on..

 
(http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/reusable_components/images/parks/images/GuajomeAdobe.jpg)
IF the F.B.I,. wants any help they should read ALL of our research in my humble opinion.Anyways I hope the pond being drained today reveals something..

I am headed out to work..

God Bless the family of Amber Dubois.


I agree Edward. One thing I have always felt whoever took amber stalked her and this was not a random kidnapping. When I spoke to Ambers mom carrie I told her to check with porn sites that show red/auburn haired girls. She says she does not have red or auburn hair but to me it looks like it is brown with red highlights, auburn. Anyway, I worry that his mom looks so much like the same type as Amber. Auburn/brown hair, freckles, white skin, blue eyes. That bothers me and is just gnawing at my gut. Especially since I strongly feel Chelsea's rape and murder was in direct response to this crazy hashing thing his mother involved him in.

JAG's father dying could have been an anicedent to a crime spree. If his mother was holding him away from his dad, not allowing him to see him, not allowing contact then his death could spark anger, obviously. so here comes along amber who looks like his mom -45 years, or is a similar type as his mom. In his sociopathic mind I could see him playing out the fantasy with Amber as a substitute. Crazy thought? Not so if you are dealing with a sociopathic personality.

His mother and father lived in running springs/Lake Arrowhead together, I would check this area out for signs of Amber and also the first place they lived after leaving the dad. I hope they are.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 06, 2010, 05:53:53 PM
IF they are draining the lake.. They must have something with what they found.???

Draining a pond is a big move in my humble opinion..

Maybe they do this all the time I do not know,.

I don't know either but I do know that I saw a cadaver dog dive into the lake when they were searching for Chelsea.  I want them to go back to that lake and find out what the dogs were hitting on. 

I saw that dog too, I wonder what it was, LE should know, I would think they checked it out considering they where right there? If not, then they need to. What types of non living things do cadavar dogs hit on? Is it just human or could it be animal? Can they drain that lake?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 06, 2010, 06:00:57 PM
IF they are draining the lake.. They must have something with what they found.???

Draining a pond is a big move in my humble opinion..

Maybe they do this all the time I do not know,.

They do not do this all the time  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 06, 2010, 06:02:45 PM
IF they are draining the lake.. They must have something with what they found.???

Draining a pond is a big move in my humble opinion..

Maybe they do this all the time I do not know,.

I don't know either but I do know that I saw a cadaver dog dive into the lake when they were searching for Chelsea.  I want them to go back to that lake and find out what the dogs were hitting on. 

I saw that dog too, I wonder what it was, LE should know, I would think they checked it out considering they where right there? If not, then they need to. What types of non living things do cadavar dogs hit on? Is it just human or could it be animal? Can they drain that lake?

Lake Hodges is too large to drain. Plus it rained a lot. IMHO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 06, 2010, 06:08:43 PM
Shell do you know if the water level in the lake was less or more then what it is today?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 06, 2010, 06:10:54 PM
Police end pond search for Amber Dubois
March 06, 2010 17:45 EST


SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Police in Escondido, Calif. say they've found no clues after draining a pond in the search for a missing teen, Amber Dubois.

A woman reported that her children had found what looked like a bag of human hair at Kit Carson Park.

Authorities say the search ended when police uncovered nothing of evidentiary value after draining the pond for a second day.

Police say the woman didn't make the connection to the search for Amber until another teen -- 17-year-old Chelsea King -- vanished last week about 10 miles south in San Diego. A body presumed to be Chelsea's was found Tuesday in a shallow lakeside grave.

Amber disappeared last year while walking to school. She was 14 years old at the time.

http://www.wlos.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/23db4aa1-www.wlos.com.shtml


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 06, 2010, 08:21:12 PM

And it is now pouring down rain.

Good for SoCal but not good for a search. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 06, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
Case archive album started for Amber:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 12:05:32 AM
UPDATE: Missing Escondido Girl
KEYT Production

San Diego area Police drain a pond in hopes of finding new clues in the disappearance of a missing Escondido girl. For the second day authorities searched "Kit Carson Park" after receiving a tip that a bag of hair was spotted in the park last may. Police say the people who first saw the bag remembered it after Chelsea King's body was found.
Amber Dubois disappeared 13-months ago she was 14 years old. Late this afternoon authorities ended the search after finding no new evidence. Investigators say they found the bag, but it did not contain anything that could help the Dubois investigation.

http://www.keyt.com/news/local/86734222.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 12:15:28 AM
Well I have to say I am very happy that hope goes on! I do hope this is not the end of the searching though. there are places that we all have thought of which makes perfect sense to search. I hope LE will follow through.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 07, 2010, 04:03:00 AM
Woman describes encounter with Gardner at RB park (with video)

RANCHO BERNARDO, Calif. (CBS  - John Albert Gardner may have returned to the scene of the crime hours before he was arrested on Sunday. That's according to a new witness who's talking to News 8.

Becky Sangha's chilling account of coming face to face with Chelsea King's accused killer started as she drove into the park. She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail.

"To realize you were that close to someone that evil is something that doesn't sit well inside you," Sangha said.

The Escondido resident was finishing a Sunday afternoon walk along the trail bordering Lake Hodges with her five-year-old daughter and four dogs when she came face to face with Chelsea King's alleged killer.

"I heard the crackling in the bushes first," she said.

She says the man appeared drunk and was dressed in a red shirt and black pants, wet from the waist down as if he'd just come out of the lake. He started to advance toward Sangha and her family.

"His body was kind of forward and he was walking very quickly and directly toward us. It made me uncomfortable. I got alarmed," she said.

The man came as close as 10 or 15 feet as Sangha gathered her daughter and dogs and hurried away, she said.

"I kept eye contact with him the whole time. He finally sat down, but he kept watching us," she said."I don't know what his intentions were that day."

But her instincts were confirmed that night when she saw on the news that John Gardner had been arrested for Chelsea King's murder.

"I jumped out of bed and I said that's the guy, that is the guy who made me feel so uncomfortable. That's him," she said.

Sangha contacted authorities, and on Monday took search teams to the locations she'd spotted Gardner. The next day Chelsea's body was discovered near the lake in a shallow grave.

"It made me feel sick, especially having my daughter with me that day. My gut reaction was to get her out of bed and keep her close to me," Sangha said.

Authorities told Sangha she did two things that could potentially have saved her life - the fact she made and maintained eye contact and that that she was accompanied by her dogs.

Sangha says she's dedicated to making public parks safe for everybody to enjoy.

As part of the effort to raise awareness about park safety, a special event called "Finish Chelsea's Run - Take Back the Parks" is scheduled at Lake Hodges on Saturday, March 20 at 9 a.m.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12093983


"She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail." Snipped from the above article. I know that I keep bringing this up, but I wonder if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am the time that Amber would have been walking to school? We now know that he had mental issues. Many people with mental issues try to self-medicate with alcohol and or street drugs. I hope LE asks around at that meeting and shows JAG's photo.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
Oh man that woman and little girl is lucky. What a scary encounter, yikes. I wonder if Chelsea was alive up until then or if he was going back to check on the site.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am

Just a little detective work..
Go to the meeting place and ask the leader of that meeting if Gardner ever attended.
But before you do.. Did he ever have a conviction for alcohol abuse ? Becaise I would think that is how you get a ticket to go to such meetings.
jmho




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 01:52:53 PM
Return to the scene of the crime ??

I do not know about that..

He may have kept her captive and AFTER murder he brought her by vehicle back to a location to dispose of her body in a moist enviorment which would deteriorate the body quick.

That is his M.O. and that is Why detectives drained the pond, because they too think he has done this type of body disposal before and is repeating behavior, just like rape and murder are also most likely repeat crimes.
We know Rapwe and beating is a repeat crime for sure with the 13 year old victim when he was 21.
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 02:39:50 PM
Return to the scene of the crime ??

I do not know about that..

He may have kept her captive and AFTER murder he brought her by vehicle back to a location to dispose of her body in a moist enviorment which would deteriorate the body quick.
That is his M.O. and that is Why detectives drained the pond, because they too think he has done this type of body disposal before and is repeating behavior, just like rape and murder are also most likely repeat crimes.
We know Rapwe and beating is a repeat crime for sure with the 13 year old victim when he was 21.
 
Edward I agree and would like to add this is an area that LE had already searched and found nothing. Do you remember that? It was reported by the sherrif that they had previously searched this area.

What I immediatly thought was friends say they saw Amber at a place called the rocks (or something like that). What if they did? What if she was taken there and being held? Have any searches of this area been done? Where have they searched for Amber? Have those places been researched?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 07, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
There is still so much we need to know about JAG. We need something concrete to place him on Broadway the morning of Ambers disappearance. Did they keep any of the video from the streets that do have camera's for that day? If he was unemployed was he applying for a job at any of those locations? I would also look very hard at those photo's from his mothers running group. Many of those location could be dumping grounds. If his mother hosted many of the runs, she could have gotten her unemployed son to help with the supplies to the site.

If he does go back to the scene of the crime. Amber could be in a shallow grave that is yet to be discovered.

I hate to even mention this, but if Amber was his first successful rape and kill she would be buried in a place close enough where he could go back over and over again. If he liked outdoor sports he had camp sites.

He has been tied to so many attempted assaults. Every time he misses, must send him on a mission to complete at all cost.

There are so many stressers (his father died, the mother of his twins left him, he lost his job,he wrecked his car) he was a walking time bomb.

Someone must know where he was on the morning of Feb 13, 2009! 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 03:12:10 PM
Well mommy dearests group had a run on 2/14/10 so my assumption would be they had one on 2/14/09 as well.
There is a lot we don't know, such as what came out today about him being seen in the area she was found. Everything we found out so far though makes me even more concerned he ran across amber that morning. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 07, 2010, 03:59:31 PM
I really should stop posting this because maybe I am wrong and now the F.B.I. team is on the scene but PARKS have been mentioned in our thread on Amber since early on and I have always had in my gut that Amber was taken North and the back way out of Escondido leads us to many parks..
 Dogs apparently got hits in certain areas and G. Park or the roads that lead to it, I have mentioned many times.


I totally agree with you.  With the cell being found to the north that is the direction that should be concentrated on.  IF JAG is involved, then he may have headed north to Lake Elsinore to Grannie's house or up to Running Springs.  That is the direction to look again, and look hard.

The roads that lead to this Park was of major concern for me "and I do not know why" But something tells me the roads LEADING to this park and the park itself is the possible location..

I am probably wrong but from my understanding search teams had Dogs Hit in this area and I am not sure where..

Anyways here is a map we posted early on..

 
(http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/reusable_components/images/parks/images/GuajomeAdobe.jpg)
IF the F.B.I,. wants any help they should read ALL of our research in my humble opinion.Anyways I hope the pond being drained today reveals something..

I am headed out to work..

God Bless the family of Amber Dubois.


I agree Edward. One thing I have always felt whoever took amber stalked her and this was not a random kidnapping. When I spoke to Ambers mom carrie I told her to check with porn sites that show red/auburn haired girls. She says she does not have red or auburn hair but to me it looks like it is brown with red highlights, auburn. Anyway, I worry that his mom looks so much like the same type as Amber. Auburn/brown hair, freckles, white skin, blue eyes. That bothers me and is just gnawing at my gut. Especially since I strongly feel Chelsea's rape and murder was in direct response to this crazy hashing thing his mother involved him in.

JAG's father dying could have been an anicedent to a crime spree. If his mother was holding him away from his dad, not allowing him to see him, not allowing contact then his death could spark anger, obviously. so here comes along amber who looks like his mom -45 years, or is a similar type as his mom. In his sociopathic mind I could see him playing out the fantasy with Amber as a substitute. Crazy thought? Not so if you are dealing with a sociopathic personality.

His mother and father lived in running springs/Lake Arrowhead together, I would check this area out for signs of Amber and also the first place they lived after leaving the dad. I hope they are.

The other thing that we know about him that causes aggression in others is that he was teased in school.  There have been a number of crimes committed--Columbine for one example.

I am also wondering, as more comes out, if his mother had some inappropriate contact with him.  I have no evidence of this, but there is something weird going on with the mom, imo.  Her antics send my hinky meter off.  She is the antecedent of his rages according to his relative on the radio.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 03:59:32 PM
Klassend has suggested in another thread that she has concerns that Gradner may have knowlege of such running or walking trails..

You may all be onto something with this and Yes now I wonder if there was a running event on february 14 in escondido and gardner placed amber close to where gardners mom ran by with her buddies.. ??

Far fetched thought but should be investigated.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 04:04:21 PM
From a very early post..
The search for a missing 14-year old California girl was called off as it entered its sixth day Thursday.

The family of Amber LeeAnne DuBois said the teen was last seen shortly after 7 a.m. Friday while walking to Escondido High School.

Investigators have learned that DuBois talked to a friend on her cell phone on her way to class that morning, San Diego radio station KFMB reported.

Witnesses claimed to have spotted her in downtown Escondido Saturday and Sunday nights.

The teen's father, Maurice DuBois, said reports of a possible sighting of his daughter Saturday were considered unreliable. He said his daughter is very structured — not the type of girl to disappear on her own.

Police have decided to wait to get better leads before resuming the search, KFMB reported.




My point is yes... There could have been a runnin event put on by Gardners moms running /drinking club.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 07, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
Woman describes encounter with Gardner at RB park (with video)

RANCHO BERNARDO, Calif. (CBS  - John Albert Gardner may have returned to the scene of the crime hours before he was arrested on Sunday. That's according to a new witness who's talking to News 8.

Becky Sangha's chilling account of coming face to face with Chelsea King's accused killer started as she drove into the park. She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail.

"To realize you were that close to someone that evil is something that doesn't sit well inside you," Sangha said.

The Escondido resident was finishing a Sunday afternoon walk along the trail bordering Lake Hodges with her five-year-old daughter and four dogs when she came face to face with Chelsea King's alleged killer.

"I heard the crackling in the bushes first," she said.

She says the man appeared drunk and was dressed in a red shirt and black pants, wet from the waist down as if he'd just come out of the lake. He started to advance toward Sangha and her family.

"His body was kind of forward and he was walking very quickly and directly toward us. It made me uncomfortable. I got alarmed," she said.

The man came as close as 10 or 15 feet as Sangha gathered her daughter and dogs and hurried away, she said.

"I kept eye contact with him the whole time. He finally sat down, but he kept watching us," she said."I don't know what his intentions were that day."

But her instincts were confirmed that night when she saw on the news that John Gardner had been arrested for Chelsea King's murder.

"I jumped out of bed and I said that's the guy, that is the guy who made me feel so uncomfortable. That's him," she said.

Sangha contacted authorities, and on Monday took search teams to the locations she'd spotted Gardner. The next day Chelsea's body was discovered near the lake in a shallow grave.

"It made me feel sick, especially having my daughter with me that day. My gut reaction was to get her out of bed and keep her close to me," Sangha said.

Authorities told Sangha she did two things that could potentially have saved her life - the fact she made and maintained eye contact and that that she was accompanied by her dogs.

Sangha says she's dedicated to making public parks safe for everybody to enjoy.

As part of the effort to raise awareness about park safety, a special event called "Finish Chelsea's Run - Take Back the Parks" is scheduled at Lake Hodges on Saturday, March 20 at 9 a.m.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12093983


"She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail." Snipped from the above article. I know that I keep bringing this up, but I wonder if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am the time that Amber would have been walking to school? We now know that he had mental issues. Many people with mental issues try to self-medicate with alcohol and or street drugs. I hope LE asks around at that meeting and shows JAG's photo.


They are finding now that a lot of alcoholics are actually bipolar individuals who are trying to self-medicate according to a friend who is a psychologist and the latest research.  Also, when they are medicated and drink it makes some medications inactive.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 04:08:56 PM
Chelsea was so close to his moms home ... Almost like it was ment to be..

Maybe Amber is close to moms home too ??


I am giving this guy way too much credit for thought I suppose.. But somehow he managed to Grab and run with these girls without being seen or herd by anyone.. So lets not set him a stupid fool just yet..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 07, 2010, 04:12:32 PM
There is still so much we need to know about JAG. We need something concrete to place him on Broadway the morning of Ambers disappearance. Did they keep any of the video from the streets that do have camera's for that day? If he was unemployed was he applying for a job at any of those locations? I would also look very hard at those photo's from his mothers running group. Many of those location could be dumping grounds. If his mother hosted many of the runs, she could have gotten her unemployed son to help with the supplies to the site.

If he does go back to the scene of the crime. Amber could be in a shallow grave that is yet to be discovered.

I hate to even mention this, but if Amber was his first successful rape and kill she would be buried in a place close enough where he could go back over and over again. If he liked outdoor sports he had camp sites.

He has been tied to so many attempted assaults. Every time he misses, must send him on a mission to complete at all cost.

There are so many stressers (his father died, the mother of his twins left him, he lost his job,he wrecked his car) he was a walking time bomb.

Someone must know where he was on the morning of Feb 13, 2009! 



I am thinking because his name was "Just John" in his mother's group, that he may not have been involved in the group.  He was only there because it was his family's house and it was Thanksgiving.  Maybe his mother's antics angered him and he was violent towards women because of his anger at her.



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Post by: mizjay on March 07, 2010, 04:34:27 PM
No nanners please!  This may be so completely insane and I haven't done the research so I'll be ok with  a few nanners thrown.

What if JAG was so destructive and angry about family that he did crimes in the parks that the previous Hash was in? Like a payback?  Sounds like the household was a constant hub of planning and excitement over each and every event???


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
Klassend has suggested in another thread that she has concerns that Gradner may have knowlege of such running or walking trails..

You may all be onto something with this and Yes now I wonder if there was a running event on february 14 in escondido and gardner placed amber close to where gardners mom ran by with her buddies.. ??

Far fetched thought but should be investigated.



I dont' think it is far fetched. It could be he has a deep rooted resentment for his mom due to her taking away the only father he knew and loved and replaced him with this sort of life style. If you think about it, even a person with a healthy mind would say, geez she had it so good, why on earth would she leave that for this sort of thing? I believe anyone would be some what embarrassed by their mom participating in this type of group, throw in her "nickname" and I can tell you I would not want any of my friends to find out about my mother. So I think it is fair to say he could have, in his way, stomped on the lifestyle by raping and murdering a person (RIP Chelsea) by his mother house along a trial she had this homping hash thing.

You know what is so frustrating to me, this is psych 101, not very difficult to figure out yet she, a professional in the field of mental health didn't or wouldn't see the signs? Give me a flipping break.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 04:42:14 PM
No nanners please!  This may be so completely insane and I haven't done the research so I'll be ok with  a few nanners thrown.

What if JAG was so destructive and angry about family that he did crimes in the parks that the previous Hash was in? Like a payback?  Sounds like the household was a constant hub of planning and excitement over each and every event???

Yes and it makes sense, no nanners


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on March 07, 2010, 04:44:31 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::  Guess I should read back a little before I come bustin in with my ideas!   NOW I see ya'll already are discussing it!   Will slink back now


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 04:49:25 PM
Mizjay don't sink it just shows we are all on the same page and maybe if we all put our thoughts together we can come up with something to help find Amber.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 05:11:05 PM
Let me correct myself. In some of the posts I said his dad died in 2008 and it was the only father figure he knew, I stand corrected. It was his bio dad who died and he was not apart of his life. I was under the impression it was his step dad that died, not bio dad. I don't know if step dad is alive or not.
However, I still say this could have been a trigger given the emotional response to the death of someone we knew. It could have brought back feelings of what could have been or what should have been and I suppose included his mom leaving his step dad.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 05:14:06 PM
Klassend has suggested in another thread that she has concerns that Gradner may have knowlege of such running or walking trails..

You may all be onto something with this and Yes now I wonder if there was a running event on february 14 in escondido and gardner placed amber close to where gardners mom ran by with her buddies.. ??

Far fetched thought but should be investigated.



Here is the map they posted for Jan 17 run.  It goes directly past where Chelsea was found. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Let me correct myself. In some of the posts I said his dad died in 2008 and it was the only father figure he knew, I stand corrected. It was his bio dad who died and he was not apart of his life. I was under the impression it was his step dad that died, not bio dad. I don't know if step dad is alive or not.
However, I still say this could have been a trigger given the emotional response to the death of someone we knew. It could have brought back feelings of what could have been or what should have been and I suppose included his mom leaving his step dad.

What dates did you want looked up for runs?


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Post by: mizjay on March 07, 2010, 05:20:01 PM
Let me correct myself. In some of the posts I said his dad died in 2008 and it was the only father figure he knew, I stand corrected. It was his bio dad who died and he was not apart of his life. I was under the impression it was his step dad that died, not bio dad. I don't know if step dad is alive or not.
However, I still say this could have been a trigger given the emotional response to the death of someone we knew. It could have brought back feelings of what could have been or what should have been and I suppose included his mom leaving his step dad.

What dates did you want looked up for runs?

Not Tracy but... do you know where any runs may have been shortly before Amber went misssing?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on March 07, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Let me correct myself. In some of the posts I said his dad died in 2008 and it was the only father figure he knew, I stand corrected. It was his bio dad who died and he was not apart of his life. I was under the impression it was his step dad that died, not bio dad. I don't know if step dad is alive or not.
However, I still say this could have been a trigger given the emotional response to the death of someone we knew. It could have brought back feelings of what could have been or what should have been and I suppose included his mom leaving his step dad.

What dates did you want looked up for runs?

Not Tracy but... do you know where any runs may have been shortly before Amber went misssing?
Prior to 2/13/09


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 05:29:38 PM
Let me correct myself. In some of the posts I said his dad died in 2008 and it was the only father figure he knew, I stand corrected. It was his bio dad who died and he was not apart of his life. I was under the impression it was his step dad that died, not bio dad. I don't know if step dad is alive or not.
However, I still say this could have been a trigger given the emotional response to the death of someone we knew. It could have brought back feelings of what could have been or what should have been and I suppose included his mom leaving his step dad.

What dates did you want looked up for runs?

Not Tracy but... do you know where any runs may have been shortly before Amber went misssing?

I have done some editing of names but here is what I came up with for all the SD Hash clubs I found.

San Diego Hash Friday 13-Feb-2009 6:30pm

The Friggatriskaidekaphobia Run
Hares: Fluff Boy and Clark Kent
Location: The Big Parking Lot near the Naval Hospital at Park Boulevard and Presidents Way
Directions: Go south on SR-163, and take the I-5 South/Park Boulevard exit. Turn left at the light and go a short distance to the light at Presidents Way. Turn right into the big parking lot.


Humpin Hash Sunday 08-Feb-2009 1:69pm

The Most Racist Trail of the Year
Hares: Floatation Devices, Big Bird's Spunk Rag, and Sucking Sea Biscuit
Location: El Camino Real and El Nido, San Dieguito Park
Directions: From Interstate 5 exit Lomas Santa Fe and go East. Turn left on El Camino Real and go North. Look for Hashers at El Nido Rd ( the back entrance to San Dieguito Park).


San Dieguito Half Marathon Hash Sunday 08-Feb-2009 8:00am

Web Page
Hares: San Diego Area House Harriers
Location: San Dieguito County Park
Directions: Interstate 5 to Solana Beach. Exit Lomas Santa Fe. East 1 mile, just past stop sign to the left.


North County Hash Saturday 07-Feb-2009 10:00am

The Carmel Valley Mud Run
Hares: Mas P@nis Por Favor and Tassel Whacker
Location: Rancho Penasquitos - 6974 Santa Fe Canyon Place
Directions: Route 56 to Camino Del Sur (south), Torrey Santa Fe Road (R), Via Canyon Drive (L), Santa Fe Canyon Place (R). Start is at the cul de sac end. Park along street.

San Diego Hash Friday 06-Feb-2009 6:30pm

Hares: Sheep S@x, Pain in the B@ner (PITB), Flabio & Kissy Face
Location: La Mesa Masonic Lodge, 4731 Date Ave, La Mesa
Directions: I-8 to Spring St, right on La Mesa Blvd, right on Orange (Orange becomes Date)

Larrikin Hash Monday 02-Feb-2009 6:30pm

Huey's ResEr@ction Run
Hares: Rub My Buns, @nal Rose & special Holy Ghost hare (Well, a VERY white Irishman anyway)
Location: Fresh & Easy Parking Lot, corner of Lake Murry Blvd & Navajo Rd
Directions: 52 or 8 to the 125, Navajo Exit (half way between 8 & 52), parking lot northwest of exit. (look for a Starbucks NEXT to highway, if the Starbucks is next to a Vons, you're on the southeast side of the exit.)




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 05:36:05 PM
Let me correct myself. In some of the posts I said his dad died in 2008 and it was the only father figure he knew, I stand corrected. It was his bio dad who died and he was not apart of his life. I was under the impression it was his step dad that died, not bio dad. I don't know if step dad is alive or not.
However, I still say this could have been a trigger given the emotional response to the death of someone we knew. It could have brought back feelings of what could have been or what should have been and I suppose included his mom leaving his step dad.

What dates did you want looked up for runs?

Not Tracy but... do you know where any runs may have been shortly before Amber went misssing?
Prior to 2/13/09

There are lots more.  I just picked Feb.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on March 07, 2010, 05:52:24 PM
Has this been posted? It is dated today...

Updated 2:34 PM PST, Sun, Mar 7, 2010
More than one year after the disappearance of Escondido teen Amber Dubois, sources say there has been a major development in the case.

Investigators have scheduled a 3.30 p.m. news conference regarding Amber's case but would not reveal any other details.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Major-Development-in-Amber-Dubois-Case-Sources-86763297.html


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Post by: Nut44x4 on March 07, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am

Just a little detective work..
Go to the meeting place and ask the leader of that meeting if Gardner ever attended.
But before you do.. Did he ever have a conviction for alcohol abuse ? Becaise I would think that is how you get a ticket to go to such meetings.
jmho



A ticket?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 05:56:07 PM
Has this been posted? It is dated today...

Updated 2:34 PM PST, Sun, Mar 7, 2010
More than one year after the disappearance of Escondido teen Amber Dubois, sources say there has been a major development in the case.

Investigators have scheduled a 3.30 p.m. news conference regarding Amber's case but would not reveal any other details.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Major-Development-in-Amber-Dubois-Case-Sources-86763297.html


THANK YOU NUT!!!!!  No not seen this yet.  I am crossing all my fingers that it is GOOD NEWS!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:01:38 PM
Authorities schedule news conference on Amber Dubois case   ::MonkeyTears::  ::MonkeyTears::


The Escondido Police Department and the Sheriff’s Department have scheduled a news conference for 3:30 p.m. today at Escondido police headquarters in connection with the disappearance of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois.

The 14-year-old vanished the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, as she was walking to Escondido High School. Extensive searches during the year, including one this weekend in Kit Carson Park, turned up no clues as to the girl’s whereabouts.

It is unclear what information will be revealed at the news conference. Reached by phone, Amber’s grandmother Sheila Welch said, “I am a very sad grandmother today.” She would not elaborate.


Investigators have been working to determine if John Albert Gardner III, a 30-year-old registered sex offender who was arrested for the slaying of 17-year-old Chelsea King, may have also been connected to Amber’s disappearance. Gardner was living about two miles away from the area where the girl vanished.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/


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Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 07, 2010, 06:02:17 PM
I think it's bad news. Grandma said "I'm a sad Grandma today"

Presser can be watched live at CBS8.com.



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Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:04:55 PM
Sheriff’s department calls Sunday press conference on Amber Dubois


SAN DIEGO (CNS) – Just a day after the search of a pond at Escondido’s Kit Carson Park proved to be unfruitful in the search for missing teenager Amber Dubois, the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department Sunday called a news conference about the case.

There was no immediate indication of the nature of any announcement. The Sheriff’s Department has not had a major role in the Dubois case, as the girl disappeared in Escondido and the the Escondido Police Department has been the lead law enforcement agency investigating her disappearance.

However, Amber returned to public attention since the arrest — by the Sheriff’s Department — of John Albert Gardner III in connection with the disappearance and death of 17-year-old Chelsea King in nearby Rancho Bernardo. Gardner is a registered sex offender who lived recently in Escondido.

Investigators were looking into any involvement he might have had with Amber, or in other unsolved crimes. Amber was 14 when she disappeared more than a year ago while walking to Escondido High School. She has not been seen since.

The search at Kit Carson Park stemmed from a tip received Thursday that last May, three girls found a black plastic bag and human hair at the edge of a pond, said Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter. Detectives found a bag Thursday night, but it contained only mud and debris, Carter said. It was given to the FBI to analyze.


http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-07/local-county-news/sheriffs-department-calls-sunday-press-conference-on-amber-dubois


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:07:58 PM
LIVE STREAM: Press Conference Related to Amber Dubois

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12099232


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 07, 2010, 06:10:53 PM
God Bless all of Amber's family and friends  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on March 07, 2010, 06:16:43 PM
I think it's bad news. Grandma said "I'm a sad Grandma today"

Presser can be watched live at CBS8.com.


::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: numbersgirl on March 07, 2010, 06:18:13 PM
Praying for Amber and her family.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 07, 2010, 06:18:43 PM
Perhaps she is just sad because they will say that they are giving up the search??


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 06:22:59 PM
Klassend has suggested in another thread that she has concerns that Gardner may have knowledge of such running or walking trails..

You may all be onto something with this and Yes now I wonder if there was a running event on February 14 in Escondido and Gardner placed amber close to where Gardner's mom ran by with her buddies.. ??

Far fetched thought but should be investigated.



Here is the map they posted for Jan 17 run.  It goes directly past where Chelsea was found. 

did they have events in Escondido on or around February 14 2009
or do you have the full schedule ? 2009


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 06:23:03 PM
SEbastian I am emailing you my cell number please call me as I have to leave!!!
Thank you Norrose for emailing me! Prayers that this is not bad news


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:25:04 PM
looks like NBC will have the presser live as well

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Major-Development-in-Amber-Dubois-Case-Sources-86763297.html


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Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 06:33:33 PM
Still waiting for the press conf to start


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:43:01 PM
RUMOUR  from twitter

Police may have found the body of Amber Dubois near the lake.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 06:43:33 PM
Body found in a remote area near Pala


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 07, 2010, 06:44:11 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: omg they found her


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:44:40 PM
Development in the Search for Escondido Teen Amber Dubois

ESCONDIDO - Just a day after the search of a pond at Escondido's Kit Carson Park proved to be unfruitful in the search for missing teenager Amber Dubois, authorities scheduled a Sunday afternoon news conference about the case.

Police refused to tip their hand as to any development sparking the news conference, which had originally been called by the Sheriff's Department for its headquarters, but then moved to the Escondido Police Department station.

The Sheriff's Department has not had a major role in the Dubois case, as the girl disappeared in Escondido and the Escondido Police Department has been the lead law enforcement agency investigating her disappearance.

However, Amber returned to public attention since the arrest -- by the Sheriff's Department -- of John Albert Gardner III in connection with the disappearance and death of 17-year-old Chelsea King in nearby Rancho Bernardo.

Gardner is a registered sex offender who lived recently in Escondido.  Investigators were looking into any involvement he might have had with Amber, or in other unsolved crimes.

Amber was 14 when she disappeared more than a year ago while walking to Escondido High School. She has not been seen since.

The search at Kit Carson Park stemmed from a tip received Thursday that last May, three girls found a black plastic bag and human hair at the edge of a pond, said Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter.


The search at Kit Carson Park stemmed from a tip received Thursday that last May, three girls found a black plastic bag and human hair at the edge of a pond, said Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter.

Detectives found a bag Thursday night, but it contained only mud and debris, Carter said. It was given to the FBI to analyze.

Details on the news conference will be posted here on SanDiego6.com as soon as they are released.  Watch full coverage tonight at 10:00 on San Diego 6 News.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-missing-Escondido-Chelsea-King/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 06:45:12 PM
RIP sweet Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 07, 2010, 06:46:34 PM
My prayers to Amber's family. RIP Amber  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 07, 2010, 06:48:16 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: Rest in Peace Amber ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 07, 2010, 06:49:07 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:49:36 PM
My condelences and prayers to Carrie, Mo, Ampersand, Grandmom and Amber's friends and family.  She is an angel watching over you.   ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 07, 2010, 06:49:56 PM
I bet Gardner cut a deal so he won't get death in Chelsea's case and told them where to find Amber.... jmo


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 07, 2010, 06:51:51 PM
My heart is breaking for Ambers family. I'm in tears


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:52:06 PM
Remains Of Amber Dubois Found

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- BREAKING NEWS: The remains of Amber Dubois were discovered during a search Saturday, and identified by dental records, it was announced in a Sunday press conference about the case.

Just a day after the search of a pond at Escondido's Kit Carson Park proved to be unfruitful in the search for missing teenager Amber Dubois, authorities Sunday scheduled an afternoon news conference about the case.

Police refused to tip their hand as to any development sparking the news conference, which had originally been called by the Sheriff's Department for its headquarters, but then moved to the Escondido Police Department station.

more....

http://www.10news.com/news/22769185/detail.html



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 07, 2010, 06:53:24 PM
::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: Rest in Peace Amber. I was just praying for you. God bless Amber's family  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 06:55:01 PM
Just to give you an idea


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Pala.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 07, 2010, 06:56:53 PM
OMG!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 06:57:37 PM
Remains of Amber Dubois found on Pala reservation

The skeletal remains of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois have been found more than a year after she vanished while walking to school one morning, authorities announced Sunday.

“The discovery was made in the early morning hours Saturday in a very rugged, remote area of Pala, said Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. “Escondido police and sheriff’s homicide was follwing a lead in the case when they made the discovery.”

The remains were positively identified through dental records, Maher said.

The discovery comes just days after the body of 17-year-old Poway girl Chelsea King was found buried in a shallow grave along the shores of Lake Hodges.

Investigators have been working to determine if John Albert Gardner III, a 30-year-old registered sex offender who was arrested in Chelsea’s slaying, may have also been connected to Amber’s disappearance. Gardner was living about two miles away from the area where the Amber vanished.

Sheriff’s officials are continuing to provide further information during a news conference in Escondido.

The discovery ends the painstaking search for Amber that took family members, law enforcement and hundreds of volunteers throughout southern California and into Mexico over the past 13 months.

Reached by phone, Amber’s grandmother Sheila Welch said, “I am a very sad grandmother today.”

Amber was 14 when she disappeared the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, as she was walking to Escondido High School.

Her family said it was unlikely she ran away. She had no extra clothes, and she was excited to purchase a lamb she was going to raise through the school’s agricultural program. The $200 check she carried to school that day has never been cashed, police said.

Instead, authorities have said she most likely got into a vehicle with someone, possibly someone she knew.

Two witnesses who knew Amber saw her walking on North Broadway near the football field with a tall, dark-skinned boy described as “doughy.”

But she, nor the boy, were ever captured on security cameras near the front of the school.

Escondido police, with help from the FBI and other agencies, have spent thousands of hours investigating the case.

Last summer, search dogs from Texas hired by the family apparently traced her scent to the Pala library, but no one there remembered having seen her. Bloodhounds used by the FBI several months later found no hint of her there.

Authorities renewed the search effort again last week, draining a murky pond at Kit Carson Park after receiving a tip that three girls had found a bag with hair around it in the pond in May.

Divers scoured the pond and others combed the banks, but Escondido police concluded Saturday afternoon that no new evidence had been found.

Investigators have not revealed if they’ve been able to interrogate Gardner regarding Amber’s case since his arrest.

Amber’s father, Maurice Dubois, on Saturday likened the ordeal to a hellish, never-ending rollercoaster ride that he just wanted to get off.

“We need to have our closure. If she’s somewhere around, we won’t stop until we find her,” he said.

A $100,000 has been offered in case. It was unclear Sunday if the reward money would be paid to anyone.

Investigators have said Amber’s disappearance bore many similarities to Chelsea’s.

Chelsea, a senior at Poway High School, vanished Feb. 25 after apparently going for a run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. She never returned home. Her black BMW was found in the parking lot.

A breathless five-day search in the vicinity ended Tuesday with the discovery of her body.

Gardner, who was arrested at a nearby restaurant, Hernandez Hide-A-Way, on March 28, has been charged with murder in Chelsea’s case, as well as assault with the intent to rape in a separate attack on a 22-year-old jogger Dec. 27.

Authorities identified Gardner from semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing that was run through a national DNA database at a state lab last weekend, California Department of Justice said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/


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Post by: San on March 07, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
I bet Gardner cut a deal so he won't get death in Chelsea's case and told them where to find Amber.... jmo


I agree Nut.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 06:59:44 PM
Rest in Peace Amber Angel. So Sorry to hear the news,
Your parents have found you. May this family find peace in knowing.
God Bless this family.

Thank you for all those who searched and research for this family.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 07, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
I bet Gardner cut a deal so he won't get death in Chelsea's case and told them where to find Amber.... jmo

That is exactly what I was thinking.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 07, 2010, 07:01:14 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20349283,00.html
Teen Amber DuBois's Body Found a Year after Disappearing

Sunday March 07, 2010 06:00 PM EST
The body of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old Escondido teen missing for over a year, has been found in a rural area of northern San Diego County.

Escondido police will hold a press conference Sunday to make the announcement and discuss details. Dubois disappeared on the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, only about 100 yards from Escondido High School.

She was featured along with other missing teens in the PEOPLE cover story "Vanished Without a Trace," and her case received renewed police attention the past week after the murder of teen Chelsea King. Sex offender John Albert Gardner III, 30, has been charged with her rape and killing, which happened Feb. 25 as she jogged in a park near her home.

Earlier this weekend, police searched Dubois's neighborhood, including a pond in Kit Carson Park, and although they ended the search Saturday afternoon without any clues, a hiker coincidentally found her body in another part of the county that same afternoon, sources tell PEOPLE.

It was not immediately clear to what extent Gardner is now considered a suspect in Amber's murder. Escondido police tell PEOPLE they are withholding comment until the press conference.
More to Come ...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 07, 2010, 07:03:02 PM
Former San Diego District Attorney Paul Pfingst is on the phone with KUSI. He suggests Gardner made a deal, and gave police Amber's location.

Pala is just north and east of Escondido. Very rough country.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 07, 2010, 07:03:50 PM
Sorry to be a bother, but does anyone have a link to the press conference? TIA JSM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Sorry to be a bother, but does anyone have a link to the press conference? TIA JSM

JSM you are never a bother.  Either of these should have it posted shortly

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/
http://www.cbs8.com/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 07:08:46 PM
Remains Of Amber Dubois Found

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- BREAKING NEWS: The remains of Amber Dubois were discovered during a search Saturday, and identified by dental records, it was announced in a Sunday press conference about the case.

Just a day after the search of a pond at Escondido's Kit Carson Park proved to be unfruitful in the search for missing teenager Amber Dubois, authorities Sunday scheduled an afternoon news conference about the case.

Police refused to tip their hand as to any development sparking the news conference, which had originally been called by the Sheriff's Department for its headquarters, but then moved to the Escondido Police Department station.

more....

http://www.10news.com/news/22769185/detail.html



 ::MonkeyTears:: I dont want to type this...RIP Amber, I am so sorry, just so sorry.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 07, 2010, 07:09:10 PM
Oh my God... I am so sorry and sick... I just can't believe this... I am so sorry to Amber's family, I am praying for you all.  Let us all thank the Lord she has been found and may be properly buried and given the beautiful ceremony she deserves.  Let us all turn our focus to making sure this does not happen again.  Amber and Chelsea's death were senseless, perhaps sense in the form of tougher SO laws will be the result.  To Amber's family let us know what we can do to support you all.

Rest in Peace Amber, we are so sorry it took so long to find you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 07, 2010, 07:09:28 PM
Sorry to be a bother, but does anyone have a link to the press conference? TIA JSM

JSM you are never a bother.  Either of these should have it posted shortly

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/
http://www.cbs8.com/
Thank you Northern.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 07:10:06 PM
The news conference will be posted here shortly.
Story Created: Mar 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM PST

http://www.kusi.com/home/86767002.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 07:12:06 PM
Remains Of Amber Dubois Found

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- BREAKING NEWS: The remains of Amber Dubois were discovered during a search Saturday, and identified by dental records, it was announced in a Sunday press conference about the case.

Just a day after the search of a pond at Escondido's Kit Carson Park proved to be unfruitful in the search for missing teenager Amber Dubois, authorities Sunday scheduled an afternoon news conference about the case.

Police refused to tip their hand as to any development sparking the news conference, which had originally been called by the Sheriff's Department for its headquarters, but then moved to the Escondido Police Department station.

more....

http://www.10news.com/news/22769185/detail.html



 ::MonkeyTears:: I dont want to type this...RIP Amber, I am so sorry, just so sorry.

::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Rob on March 07, 2010, 07:14:35 PM
Good evening...

just a few things to say here..

First off, rest in peace Amber. I never ever believed you ran away. And what a lil angel girl you were... and that lil lamb you bought will forever be in my heart. Few have touched me as you have.

To Amber's family - what a gallant effort you all put forth while very few would listen. I admire you all. Your calling is not yet finished and everyone here will assist you in any way possible. God Bless you all.

Although there was little I could do here - I would like to publicly commend Edward who put so much into this missing person case. I have read everything, but sort of felt helpless and if it were not for Edward, and his passion for Amber's case it may have well been lost in all the cases we all follow here. Kudos to Edward and all who helped him ... truly a stellar effort and what makes Scared Monkeys the preeminent missing person site evahhh! It's nice to be a member of something special.

The saving grace here is that Gardner will not be harming any other children, and I sincerely hope that the police have learned a very valuable lesson.

 ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 07, 2010, 07:14:58 PM
if it wasn't gardner, dont know who else it could be... This is very disappointing and sad.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 07, 2010, 07:15:40 PM
The news conference will be posted here shortly.
Story Created: Mar 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM PST

http://www.kusi.com/home/86767002.html
Thank You Northern.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on March 07, 2010, 07:19:22 PM
Poor Amber   ::MonkeyAngel::  now she can go home to her family who never gave up hope.
RIP   We will try to help make her death not be in vain by working on legislation that may change the way these predators are dealt with.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on March 07, 2010, 07:24:12 PM
Rest in peace with God and his Angels sweet Amber

 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 07, 2010, 07:28:13 PM
Seeing Amber's parents at the press conference and how strong they are makes me know Amber is looking down from heaven and giving them strength. RIP Amber and God Bless you and your family. My prayers are with you all and that the laws change for SO's in your state.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 07, 2010, 07:28:15 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with Amber's family they must be devastated beyond belief.  Amber may you rest in peace in the arms of God.  ::MonkeyAngel:: This saddens me to no end.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Green Eyes on March 07, 2010, 07:31:52 PM
Rest In Peace Amber ::MonkeyAngel:: May God be with your family at this time.  I am sad that we have lost another sweet child for no reason.  May Amber & Chelsea deaths not be in vain.  That something is done to stop these SO.  Thank you all for your dedication to the all the missing persons.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 07, 2010, 07:37:11 PM
Klassend has suggested in another thread that she has concerns that Gardner may have knowledge of such running or walking trails..

You may all be onto something with this and Yes now I wonder if there was a running event on February 14 in Escondido and Gardner placed amber close to where Gardner's mom ran by with her buddies.. ??

Far fetched thought but should be investigated.



Here is the map they posted for Jan 17 run.  It goes directly past where Chelsea was found. 

did they have events in Escondido on or around February 14 2009
or do you have the full schedule ? 2009


Yes Edward, this is the last one before Amber’s disappearance, but other hashers had events on the 13th as well.

Below is a link, click on the tab “pictures” , then chose the drop down that says select an event.  There are events dating back to 1999!

Here is the last event for JAG's mothers clan before Amber's disappearance:
Humpin Hash Sunday 08-Feb-2009 1:69pm

The Most Racist Trail of the Year
Hares: Floatation Devices, Big Bird's Spunk Rag, and Sucking Sea Biscuit
Location: El Camino Real and El Nido, San Dieguito Park
Directions: From Interstate 5 exit Lomas Santa Fe and go East. Turn left on El Camino Real and go North. Look for Hashers at El Nido Rd ( the back entrance to San Dieguito Park).
Thomas Guide: 1148 A6
Run fee: $5
Notes: New Update! New Runstart Info! Didn't have enough fun at the San Dieguito Half Marathxx? Well get out here and join us for the "Most Racist Trail of the Year". There will be lots of shiggy, beer, and best of all Racing! Yay! Racing!!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 07:39:30 PM
Oh gosh this is just so sad. I think I am in shock as everything I am writing is not making much sense and I am deleting it.

I think all I want to say is I feel so hurt inside for this poor young girl. I hate the fact they found her yet I am relieved so the family can bury her properly, yet as a mother I know there is no such thing as closure for Carrie. She didn't want this to be real because she didn't want to bury her daughter, that is what she said on Larry King. Oh gosh Carrie I am so sorry, so so sorry. My heart breaks for everyone in this family.

My most sincere condolences to all that knew her, loved her and looked for her, whether that be in person or on line. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 07, 2010, 07:47:28 PM
Edward I screen capped the schedule from the website before it went down and it appears there was a meet on Feb. 21st - I posted a screen cap in Who is Kevin O'Reilly thread - the description for the meet says "A nice stroll thru the park - Humpin Style" 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 07:49:17 PM
http://www.10news.com/video/22769617/index.html
In case anyone like myself, didn't get to see the presser. Oh gosh her parents broke my heart ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on March 07, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am

Just a little detective work..
Go to the meeting place and ask the leader of that meeting if Gardner ever attended.
But before you do.. Did he ever have a conviction for alcohol abuse ? Becaise I would think that is how you get a ticket to go to such meetings.
jmho



A ticket?

Well, you don't get a ticket per se = as a member of AA for almost 5 years I would say about 1/5th of our membership comes as a result of drinking and driving or other alcohol offense. Most of us go just because we come to the conclusion we have a problem.  I also saw a comment about Bi polar and self medicating. This is not as true as the rest of the world would like to believe - most alcoholics that come into AA with diagnosis of BiPolar have that changed when they get sober. Unfortunately, alcohol often makes one act bipolar - that being said, some bipolars do self medicate.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 07:52:41 PM
You are so right TracyGirl. I feel so terrible for all of them, but there is no mother like Carrie.
She is so special and so is her whole family.
She would go to the end of the Earth looking for her beautiful daughter alive. You have to love her .. and this is a sad sad moment.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 07:55:38 PM
http://www.beercheck.com/pictures.php

Here is a list of "runs" around the time Amber went missing.  JAG's mom belongs to Humpin Hash but all of these are in the greater San Diego area:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/HashRunsFeb2009.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 08:00:15 PM
Thank You for that information on AA meetings theboyzmom.. I had no idea..
Good info for the next time I need it.

I am done for the night..

I am ... numb.. 
Goodnight everyone..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 07, 2010, 08:02:23 PM
Edward I screen capped the schedule from the website before it went down and it appears there was a meet on Feb. 21st - I posted a screen cap in Who is Kevin O'Reilly thread - the description for the meet says "A nice stroll thru the park - Humpin Style" 
Quoting myself here, sorry Edward that date is from this year I looked at the screen caps I have and the schedule they had on the website started with July 2009.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 07, 2010, 08:07:19 PM
 ::MonkeyTears::  Rest in peace Amber.   ::MonkeyAngel::   I didn't agree with the runaway theory some had.  She must have been so excited about buying her lamb for FFA.  Prayers for Amber, her family and her friends.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 07, 2010, 08:09:10 PM

Body found just North of the reservation. Cadaver dogs led them. Let me see if I can find news clip I just saw. brb



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 08:09:58 PM
You are so right TracyGirl. I feel so terrible for all of them, but there is no mother like Carrie.
She is so special and so is her whole family.
She would go to the end of the Earth looking for her beautiful daughter alive. You have to love her .. and this is a sad sad moment.


When I spoke to her edward one thing shined through like nothing else, she was on a mission to find her daughter and god help those who tried to stop her. She did everything she could to first try to convince everyone her daughter didn't run away and 2nd to bring her back home. She is special that is true and so is Ambers Grandmom. I know where Carrie gets her drive from, she inherited it from her mom. She is one tough cookie but I can tell she melted for her granddaughter whom she loves very much. Of course ambers dad, the wear on his face shows months of worry and her Aunt who spent countless hours looking for her neice. This is a special family of people who loves Amber very much


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: darla on March 07, 2010, 08:11:12 PM
Evening Monkeys....

My thoughts and prayers for Amber and her family and friends. Rest in Peace in the Arms Of Jesus Sweet Baby Girl!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 07, 2010, 08:16:10 PM

Sorry, I can't find the news clip. It was on san diego channel8.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 07, 2010, 08:19:05 PM
Mike Huckabee is covering Amber with guest Mark Klaas on Fox.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 07, 2010, 08:21:10 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/?imw=Y

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/amber-dubois_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

 ::MonkeyAngel::  Amber Dubois  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 07, 2010, 08:22:31 PM
comments are piling up here:
http://www.10news.com/news/22769185/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 08:30:16 PM
has everyone seen this video? Carrie made it for her. It has pictures of Amber growing up.

http://vimeo.com/4848395


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 07, 2010, 08:33:24 PM
Remains of Amber Dubois found in Pala
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/
Investigators have been working to determine if John Albert Gardner III, a 30-year-old registered sex offender who was arrested in Chelsea’s slaying, may have also been connected to Amber’s disappearance. Gardner was living about two miles away from the area where Amber vanished....
This is so sad...my prayers go out to her family.......


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 07, 2010, 08:35:24 PM
has everyone seen this video? Carrie made it for her. It has pictures of Amber growing up.

http://vimeo.com/4848395

Thank you Tracygirl  I will watch it another time, I cannot watch it now, but thank you for posting it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 08:37:40 PM
has everyone seen this video? Carrie made it for her. It has pictures of Amber growing up.

http://vimeo.com/4848395

Amber Dubois from Carrie MCGonigle on Vimeo.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on March 07, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
This is so devastating.  May God hold Amber and her family close.  Please God, this must stop. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 07, 2010, 08:40:25 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/

Reached by phone, Amber’s grandmother Sheila Welch said, “I am a very sad grandmother today.”

Amber was 14 when she disappeared the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, as she was walking to Escondido High School.

Her family said it was unlikely she ran away. She had no extra clothes, and she was excited to purchase a lamb she was going to raise through the school’s agricultural program. The $200 check she carried to school that day has never been cashed, police said.

Instead, authorities have said she most likely got into a vehicle with someone, possibly someone she knew.

Two witnesses who knew Amber saw her walking on North Broadway near the football field with a tall, dark-skinned boy described as “doughy.”

But she, nor the boy, were ever captured on security cameras near the front of the school.

Escondido police, with help from the FBI and other agencies, have spent thousands of hours investigating the case.

Last summer, search dogs from Texas hired by the family apparently traced her scent to the Pala library, but no one there remembered having seen her. Bloodhounds used by the FBI several months later found no hint of her there.

I had never heard this before...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 07, 2010, 08:43:07 PM

Although I feel there is a strong possibility that JAG committed this crime, I am going to wait until more of the story comes out before making that conclusion. I want them to be absolutely sure that some other person will not walk free after taking the life of sweet, beautiful Amber.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 07, 2010, 08:47:54 PM
OMG! I just saw that they have found beautiful Amber on my homepage. I think I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. My prayers to sweet Amber's family and friends and all those who had come to know her through her disappearance.  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
I am thankfull however that Amber's Mother and Father can now have closure and can give her a proper burial. The "not knowing" has to eat away at you every day.



On another note, I really feel strong that John Gardner had everything to do with this. I think he is trying to save his sorry a** and is singing like a canary too. What a lowlife this man is ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 08:50:27 PM
If there are other victims, I hope and pray he has said where they are.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 07, 2010, 08:50:52 PM
has everyone seen this video? Carrie made it for her. It has pictures of Amber growing up.

http://vimeo.com/4848395
Thank you. ::MonkeyTears:: such a sweet face and a beautiful girl.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2010, 08:51:14 PM
O/T....Remains of Amber Dubois found in Pala
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/
Investigators have been working to determine if John Albert Gardner III, a 30-year-old registered sex offender who was arrested in Chelsea’s slaying, may have also been connected to Amber’s disappearance. Gardner was living about two miles away from the area where Amber vanished....


Thanks billb.  It is a sad outcome.  However ... I am thankful her family is being affording a measure of closure.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Interview with Chelsea King's Parents
Aired March 4, 2010 - 21:00   ET


KELLY KING, CHELSEA KING'S MOTHER: I mean how many times do our daughters need to be raped before we put these monsters behind bars forever?

I just don't -- I don't get it. Change has to be made. And I know that there are people out there that are -- that are trying to, you know, get this change in place. And Brent and I are committed for the rest of our lives to be a part of that.

LARRY KING, HOST: What change do you want, Brent?

BRENT KING, CHELSEA KING'S FATHER: I don't want people that ever have any kind of one strike on them to have more than one strike on them. They shouldn't be allowed to have a second strike.

L. KING: In other words, once you are convicted of a case where you were convicted of being a predator, you should be put away for life?  What are your thoughts?

B. KING: Larry, I don't understand why somebody who's done what this person's done in the past should have the exact same freedoms that I have. I don't understand that.

L. KING: And often, to Brent and Kelly King, prosecutors will ask the relatives of the victim what their thoughts are about a death penalty. They don't have to abide by them, but they do get input.  What do you want to happen if convicted, Kelly?

K. KING: I think the death penalty is a very appropriate punishment for this -- for this case.

L. KING: Brent?

B. KING: Yes. I'm in 100 percent agreement with my wife.

More:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/04/lkl.01.html




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 08:52:36 PM
Someone lead them there.  No way would they have found her unless someone told them where to go. 

http://www.10news.com/news/22769185/detail.html

Remains Of Amber Dubois Positively Identified
Remains Of Escondido Teen Amber Dubois Found In Pala


POSTED: 3:09 pm PST March 7, 2010
UPDATED: 5:40 pm PST March 7, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Skeletal remains found in Pala were those of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, the Escondido Police Department announced Sunday.

Video: Watch Press Conference

Amber was 14 when she went missing more than a year ago while walking to Escondido High School.

Despite a months-long search by law enforcement, family and volunteers, her body was not found until this weekend.

"The discovery was made in the early morning hours of Saturday, in a very rugged and remote section of Pala," Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said at a news conference.

Pala is in northern San Diego County, about 25 miles from Escondido.

The chief said detectives were following a lead when her body was found.

"Positive identification was subsequently made by the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office late Saturday afternoon by way of a dental records comparison," Maher said. "Her parents were notified in person by Escondido and sheriff's investigators Saturday night.

Maher did not take questions because of the ongoing investigation.

Amber returned to public attention since the arrest of John Albert Gardner III, 30, in connection with the disappearance and death of 17-year-old Chelsea King in nearby Rancho Bernardo.

Gardner is a registered sex offender who lived in Escondido when Amber disappeared. Investigators were looking into any involvement he might have had with the girl, or in other unsolved crimes.

Because Maher did not take questions, the source of the tip or any possible role played by Gardner was unknown.

Amber's father, Maurice Dubois, took a moment to thank everyone in the search for Amber, especially the hundreds of volunteers who looked for the girl every weekend for much of last year.

"They were the most dedicated people you could ever imagine," Maurice Dubois said. "Without them, we couldn't have done anything."

The announcement came a day after investigators searched for evidence in Amber's disappearance in a pond at Kit Carson Park in Escondido.

Police were tipped Thursday that last May, three girls found a black plastic bag and human hair at the edge of a pond, said Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter.

Detectives found a bag Thursday night, but it contained only mud and debris, Carter said. It was given to the FBI to analyze.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 08:54:31 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/

Reached by phone, Amber’s grandmother Sheila Welch said, “I am a very sad grandmother today.”

Amber was 14 when she disappeared the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, as she was walking to Escondido High School.

Her family said it was unlikely she ran away. She had no extra clothes, and she was excited to purchase a lamb she was going to raise through the school’s agricultural program. The $200 check she carried to school that day has never been cashed, police said.

Instead, authorities have said she most likely got into a vehicle with someone, possibly someone she knew.

Two witnesses who knew Amber saw her walking on North Broadway near the football field with a tall, dark-skinned boy described as “doughy.”

But she, nor the boy, were ever captured on security cameras near the front of the school.

Escondido police, with help from the FBI and other agencies, have spent thousands of hours investigating the case.

Last summer, search dogs from Texas hired by the family apparently traced her scent to the Pala library, but no one there remembered having seen her. Bloodhounds used by the FBI several months later found no hint of her there.

I had never heard this before...
Chi the only time I had read something like this was yesterday there was a comment posted at a news site, dont know which one,  that said they should check by the library in Pala. If I knew this I forgot after all it has been a year. Why did it take the FBI several months later to go to the spot? I think Le has some explaining to do. I have also not heard the boy reported seen walking was called "doughy".


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
Klaas I wonder if LE had finally looked back at the tips that came in and followed up by searching the area the dogs hired by the family hit on?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 09:06:56 PM
Klaas I wonder if LE had finally looked back at the tips that came in and followed up by searching the area the dogs hired by the family hit on?



Has to either be something like that OR Gardner told them where to look.  That area is huge and nothing but hills/dirt/rock.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 07, 2010, 09:11:13 PM
When Gardner live in Escondido does anyone know the distance from his home to Amber's home.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2010, 09:12:48 PM
Remains of Missing California Girl, 14, Found Year Later
Sunday, March 07, 2010


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,588329,00.html




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 09:24:10 PM
When Gardner live in Escondido does anyone know the distance from his home to Amber's home.

When Amber went missing Gardner was living in apartments approx 2 miles from Amber's school.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 09:25:10 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ambermap_t352.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2010, 09:43:13 PM
A year later, you don't go out into the remote rugged area of Pala to look for a skeleton, in the EARLY MORNING HOURS, unless you have specific information where to look, IMO:

"The discovery was made in the early morning hours of Saturday, in a very rugged and remote section of Pala," Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said at a news conference.


This is one area of Pala.  There's miles and miles of more of the same:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/pala2.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 07, 2010, 09:49:59 PM
Dubois tip didn't come from Gardner, source says
P.I. says the accused killer of Chelsea King didn't lead authorities to Amber's remains
Sunday, March 7, 2010 at 5:58 p.m.
<snipped>
Accused killer John Albert Gardner III had nothing to do with the tip that led law enforcement to Amber Dubois’ remains, according to a local private investigator who worked on the case.

Bill Garcia, hired by Amber’s family shortly after she disappeared, said he was told by a person with first-hand knowledge that the tip about the location of the remains did not come from Gardner, who was charged Wednesday with the rape and murder of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. “The entire Chelsea King event emotionally pulled at somebody who had this information,” Garcia said. “They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”

Garcia said he’s long suspected Amber's body might be found in the Pala area, because any abductor would have wanted to get away from high-traffic areas quickly, and rural routes out of Escondido lead to the Pauma Valley. “We’ve spent a lot of time in the past year, working that canyon,” Garcia said. “You put yourself in the mindset of someone who would perpetrate this crime, and all the indicators point in that direction. It’s no mystery to me that’s where she was found.” He said his “suspicion” is that the remains were found in the northeast corner of the Pala reservation, “in an area that is difficult to get into and an area we have not searched.”

People.com initially reported that a hiker had stumbled on the remains, but a law enforcement source told The San Diego Union-Tribune that is not correct. People.com removed the reference in later versions of its story.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 09:52:20 PM
 “They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Perhpas it was the g/f and mother of the twins that felt safe saying somethign now that he was behind bars.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 07, 2010, 09:53:55 PM
Here's the link  http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/dubois-tip-didnt-come-gardner-source-says/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 09:54:35 PM
Amber's friends take the news hard
They get the news on the way out of 'Avatar'

Amber Dubois' closest friends took the sad news hard Sunday.

“Even if she was in another country, like maybe as long as she was still alive, it would have been OK,” said Hailey Kosinski, a 15-year-old Escondido High School sophomore. “I was telling myself she’s not dead, she’s somewhere else, she’s somewhere, she can’t find us. But I guess I was proven wrong.”

Amber was 14 when she disappeared the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, as she was walking to Escondido High School. Her body was found Saturday in the Pala area of North County, authorities announced today.

Hailey got the news as she was exiting Avatar, a movie she said Amber would have loved for its message and nature scenes.

“She was always so kind of connected with nature, sort of the whole circle of life, balance, everything,” she said. “I think the graphics would catch her, the lush green forests and the creatures. It would be something she’d be into.”

She’s been missing so long, Hailey said, “It’s hard to even remember how she acted around you.”

Tomorrow will be a tough day at school, she said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/ambers-friends-take-news-hard/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
Community speaks out about Amber Dubois  (video)

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12099954


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Post by: akmom on March 07, 2010, 10:06:57 PM
Whoraldo covered Amber briefly, don't k now if more is coming. 

I am confused about where the tip came from.  One source says from JAG while somewhere else says no.

I think I am out of the cage tonight and will be back tomorrow.  I am feeling  very overwhelmed tonight by this.

Prayer to Amber's family.  I am so sorry that the search ended this way.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 10:07:24 PM
I have Wilderness Gardens as a place that needed to be searched.
It is near a casino in Pala.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 07, 2010, 10:10:27 PM
“They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Perhpas it was the g/f and mother of the twins that felt safe saying somethign now that he was behind bars.

Totally agree or even a family member...I recall there were reports of fighting in the family over something...enough to kick JAG out...after years of enabling him.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 10:10:58 PM
News conference tomorrow to release more info on where body was found.  One of the links stated outside the reserve to the NE.  Just popped in as on KTLA news tonight they are doing a story on other possible crimes linked to JAG.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 10:12:18 PM
I have Wilderness Gardens as a place that needed to be searched.
It is near a casino in Pala.



Here is a good topo map showing all the trails

http://www.trails.com/topomap.aspx?trailid=XTM002-010


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 07, 2010, 10:15:38 PM
News conference tomorrow to release more info on where body was found.  One of the links stated outside the reserve to the NE.  Just popped in as on KTLA news tonight they are doing a story on other possible crimes linked to JAG.

I'm not familiar with the area but I see that two girls are missing from Moreno Valley and a sixteen year old from La Mesa...they seem close.  Two from Bakersfield and one from Desert Hot Springs...not so close.  I am sure there are more.  Also, I never received a response...but, I wonder if he attended his dad's funeral (even if they hadn't been in contact for a long time...).  There are three missing girls around that area during that time frame.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 07, 2010, 10:25:54 PM
News conference tomorrow to release more info on where body was found.  One of the links stated outside the reserve to the NE.  Just popped in as on KTLA news tonight they are doing a story on other possible crimes linked to JAG.

I'm not familiar with the area but I see that two girls are missing from Moreno Valley and a sixteen year old from La Mesa...they seem close.  Two from Bakersfield and one from Desert Hot Springs...not so close.  I am sure there are more.  Also, I never received a response...but, I wonder if he attended his dad's funeral (even if they hadn't been in contact for a long time...).  There are three missing girls around that area during that time frame.

  RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
Sheriff Stanley Sniff
Sheriff's Administration
PRESS RELEASE   

Date/Time Written: March 4, 2010 / 5:00 P.M.
Type of Incident: Media Advisory
Date/Time of Incident:   
Location(s) of Incident:   
Reporting Officer: Sergeant Joe Borja, Public Information Officer 

Details:
The following information is being released as the result of the arrest of John Albert Gardner III in San Diego, CA.

Beginning January 7, 2010, Gardner was a sex registrant living in the unincorporated area of Lakeland Village. He was in compliance of all obligations of his registration. Gardner is not currently listed as a suspect in any investigation we are conducting at this time. The Lake Elsinore Police Department and the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department are reviewing all cases involving any sexual assaults or attempted sexual assaults in the surrounding area. We will investigate any and all leads that arise.

Anyone with information regarding this incident is encouraged to contact the Lake Elsinore Police Department by calling (951) 245-3300.

###
 
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/admin10-0304.htm <=link, I just felt compelled to post this... don't know why, what you said in your post makes a lot of sense maybe he is responsible for those girls disappearance..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 07, 2010, 10:38:50 PM
I dont know if anyone commented about the attempted kidnapping in oct 28,2009, but it happened in lake elsinore and the suspect does not look like john gardner or they are saying it is not him. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/09301-lak.htm , maybe he has something to do about kristine nicole hamilton's disappearance like you said she is from moreno valley and she was 17 years old at the time.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ISpy on March 07, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
Dubois tip didn't come from Gardner, source says
P.I. says the accused killer of Chelsea King didn't lead authorities to Amber's remains
Sunday, March 7, 2010 at 5:58 p.m.
<snipped>
Accused killer John Albert Gardner III had nothing to do with the tip that led law enforcement to Amber Dubois’ remains, according to a local private investigator who worked on the case.

Bill Garcia, hired by Amber’s family shortly after she disappeared, said he was told by a person with first-hand knowledge that the tip about the location of the remains did not come from Gardner, who was charged Wednesday with the rape and murder of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. “The entire Chelsea King event emotionally pulled at somebody who had this information,” Garcia said. “They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”

Garcia said he’s long suspected Amber's body might be found in the Pala area, because any abductor would have wanted to get away from high-traffic areas quickly, and rural routes out of Escondido lead to the Pauma Valley. “We’ve spent a lot of time in the past year, working that canyon,” Garcia said. “You put yourself in the mindset of someone who would perpetrate this crime, and all the indicators point in that direction. It’s no mystery to me that’s where she was found.” He said his “suspicion” is that the remains were found in the northeast corner of the Pala reservation, “in an area that is difficult to get into and an area we have not searched.”

People.com initially reported that a hiker had stumbled on the remains, but a law enforcement source told The San Diego Union-Tribune that is not correct. People.com removed the reference in later versions of its story.


Prayers for Amber's family and friends, first and foremost here.  I thank God they did not give up and they refused to just go away.  Given the repeated assaults in the news, no one anywhere should be walking to school (or anywhere) alone anymore...sad that it's come to this, but this is the world we live in.  While we don't want to scare children, they need to know exactly what they're up against..anything less is a disservice to them.

Wonder if the tipster is Catherine (his mother) or someone from her Humpin' Hash group.  Will be interesting to find out.  Think it's more than ironic that: you all began researching the Humpin' Hash club> Catherine's pics were immediately censored (more accurately, distorted to be unidentifiable to viewers)> the site was blocked to viewers> Baba's Photography site disappeared> your screen captures were forwarded to LE (along with Catherine's Humpin' Hash pics, Mental Health related work articles she authored, etc.)...and PRESTO!  LE gets a tip prompting an early a.m. search in a rugged, remote location, finding Amber.  I'm thinking someone may have clued Catherine in that her employment was about to become unemployment, due to a mental health professional engaging in sexually deviant behavior, while housing a registered violent sex offender family member.  Doesn't look good to the Mental Health powers that be to have a liability on board.  All JMOO. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ISpy on March 07, 2010, 11:05:29 PM
One more thing...

Edward- You were right on the North thing.  Thank you for voicing it.

Everyone researching the Humpin' Hash club/Kevin O'Reilley/Catherine ECT-Great job!  It's amazing what a group of dedicated people can do.  As we say around here, "Working together to get the job done.".  Kudos to all of you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 07, 2010, 11:11:00 PM
A year later, you don't go out into the remote rugged area of Pala to look for a skeleton, in the EARLY MORNING HOURS, unless you have specific information where to look, IMO:

"The discovery was made in the early morning hours of Saturday, in a very rugged and remote section of Pala," Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said at a news conference.


This is one area of Pala.  There's miles and miles of more of the same:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/pala2.jpg)
You are correct.  It would NOT happen.  They had specific information.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 07, 2010, 11:12:33 PM
Dubois tip didn't come from Gardner, source says
P.I. says the accused killer of Chelsea King didn't lead authorities to Amber's remains
Sunday, March 7, 2010 at 5:58 p.m.
<snipped>
Accused killer John Albert Gardner III had nothing to do with the tip that led law enforcement to Amber Dubois’ remains, according to a local private investigator who worked on the case.

Bill Garcia, hired by Amber’s family shortly after she disappeared, said he was told by a person with first-hand knowledge that the tip about the location of the remains did not come from Gardner, who was charged Wednesday with the rape and murder of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. “The entire Chelsea King event emotionally pulled at somebody who had this information,” Garcia said. “They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”

Garcia said he’s long suspected Amber's body might be found in the Pala area, because any abductor would have wanted to get away from high-traffic areas quickly, and rural routes out of Escondido lead to the Pauma Valley. “We’ve spent a lot of time in the past year, working that canyon,” Garcia said. “You put yourself in the mindset of someone who would perpetrate this crime, and all the indicators point in that direction. It’s no mystery to me that’s where she was found.” He said his “suspicion” is that the remains were found in the northeast corner of the Pala reservation, “in an area that is difficult to get into and an area we have not searched.”

People.com initially reported that a hiker had stumbled on the remains, but a law enforcement source told The San Diego Union-Tribune that is not correct. People.com removed the reference in later versions of its story.


Prayers for Amber's family and friends, first and foremost here.  I thank God they did not give up and they refused to just go away.  Given the repeated assaults in the news, no one anywhere should be walking to school (or anywhere) alone anymore...sad that it's come to this, but this is the world we live in.  While we don't want to scare children, they need to know exactly what they're up against..anything less is a disservice to them.

Wonder if the tipster is Catherine (his mother) or someone from her Humpin' Hash group.  Will be interesting to find out.  Think it's more than ironic that: you all began researching the Humpin' Hash club> Catherine's pics were immediately censored (more accurately, distorted to be unidentifiable to viewers)> the site was blocked to viewers> Baba's Photography site disappeared> your screen captures were forwarded to LE (along with Catherine's Humpin' Hash pics, Mental Health related work articles she authored, etc.)...and PRESTO!  LE gets a tip prompting an early a.m. search in a rugged, remote location, finding Amber.  I'm thinking someone may have clued Catherine in that her employment was about to become unemployment, due to a mental health professional engaging in sexually deviant behavior, while housing a registered violent sex offender family member.  Doesn't look good to the Mental Health powers that be to have a liability on board.  All JMOO. 

Another Hash site bites the dust.  If they have nothing to hide why do they keep taking the sites down? :

Beercheck pictures are down for maintenance

: Access denied for user 'onlineph_bcc'@'localhost' to database 'Site temporarily down'

http://www.beercheck.com/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 07, 2010, 11:19:31 PM
Community speaks out about Amber Dubois  (video)

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12099954

Thanks for the video. Did anyone else catch the councelmen saying "it is too bad we had to lose 3 young girls". 3? Chelsea, Amber and who?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 07, 2010, 11:45:47 PM
Searchers found Amber's skeletal remains early Saturday on the Pala Indian Reservation, a sparsely populated area that occupies more than 12,000 acres in the northeast corner of San Diego County, said Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. The county medical examiner's office confirmed later in the day the remains were Amber's through dental records, he said.
Maher declined to answer questions during a news conference Sunday because he said the discovery was part of an ongoing murder investigation. He said a "lead" brought investigators to the reservation, but he did not elaborate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_teen

Lots more to read here BUT... This was Indian reservation land and Nobody is allowed on it.
Searchers were not allowed to roam this land. It is Severn and separate from the united states of America. when it comes down to chasing the bad guys or doing something like searching for lost and missing people. Only The Elders of the tribe and the U.S. Marshall have jurisdiction. I am not real clear on that law.. But apparently if a crime is committed in Escondido and the culprit runs onto Indian land LE in Escondido have to call a U.S. Marshall to go get the bad guy..
I am not sure how much ass the U.S. Marshall service has to kiss to go there..

Carrie approached Tribal leaders..
jmho
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 12:02:53 AM
Caring strangers mourn Amber at Escondido High

ESCONDIDO — Shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday, Lori Coburn of Poway walked down Broadway next to Escondido High School and approached a poster asking for information on Amber Dubois’ disappearance.

She pulled yellow ribbon from a bag and fashioned two bows, hanging them on each side of the poster on a fence outside the school.

Coburn was already planning to go to the high school when her brother called her with the news that Amber’s remains had been found in Pala on Saturday.

Amber went missing 13 months ago while walking to the school.

Coburn didn’t know Amber. Her three children had attended Poway High.

“I would want to find my child and would want to know others want to find my child,” she said.

Coburn was among numerous people who showed up at the school Sunday evening. Strangers who cared.

Lee Marin, a history teacher at Escondido High, was at the Palomar Family YMCA across the street from the school attending a cheer practice with her fifth-grade daughter when another mother received a text about Amber.

Marin, who stopped at the school on her way home, said news of the discovery “hurt me to the pit of my stomach.”

“I’m glad to see the ribbons going up,” Marin said.

Another family drove up in an SUV.

“It just feels like we know her,” said Joann Warren of Escondido.

They placed on the fence above the poster two purple fabric flowers that light up. They also hung a note and card in a plastic bag to protect them from the rain that was falling.

“Dear Amber,” the note read, “You’re in a much better place now. May you rest in peace. You will be missed by everyone. Love, the Warren family.”

On the same note was a message to the Dubois family from the Joyce family: “Words are hard to come by at a time like this. Please know that Amber is in a safer place now where she is loved.”

The family of Chelsea King, a 17-year-old Poway girl whose body was found Tuesday at Lake Hodges in a similar disappearance, posted a comment on Chelsea’s memorial Facebook page expressing sympathy for Amber’s family.

“Chelsea’s light is grieving not only for Chelsea, but for beautiful Amber Dubois, whose remains were discovered today. Our hearts and love go out to the Dubois family,” they wrote.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/caring-strangers-mourn-amber-escondido-high/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 12:05:09 AM
Dubois Family Publicist Upset With Response From Authorities
Michelle Bart Feels Police Dismissed Results Of Search Dogs

POSTED: 7:08 pm PST March

SAN DIEGO -- After the announcement Sunday afternoon that the remains of 14-year-old Escondido teen Amber Dubois were located in Pala, 10News spoke with the publicist hired by Amber's grandmother about the dogs the family brought out to search for the teen last year and the positive hit they received on the Pala reservation.

Publicist Michelle Bart was noticeably upset in her interview with 10News' Itica Milanes. Bart broke into tears when describing the frustration she felt dealing with Escondido police.

The dogs brought to locate Amber in August of 2009, were scent dogs with special training for cold cases.

10News reporter Steve Fiorina spoke with the veteran dog handlers who told him that they'd found clues on cases where the person had been missing longer than Amber Dubois had been at that point.

The two dogs, Jack, a German shorthaired pointer, and Quincy, a yellow labrador retriever, were each trained to track an old scent but with different specialties.

"Jack is a very air-sensitive dog," dog handler Sarah Platts said. "Quincy is detail oriented."

"As a family, we decided to try anything we can," Moe Dubois, Amber's father, said.

"Its been very difficult because we know that back in August those dogs hit on Pala," the publicist, who worked closely with the family, told Milanes Sunday.

"Two dogs hit on particular things," she said, "the handlers knew nothing about the case... We said there's no doubt in our minds, we'll go to our death beds knowing that Amber's been here."

But Bart said the officer assigned to their search didn't seem interested. "The officer that was with us didn't do anything, he kept quiet the whole time just like he was our escort," she said.

"It was unbelievable, just unbelievable," she said. "When the police came out and told all of you in the media that the dogs didn't hit on anything, nothing was found... my heart has been dropping because we could not say anything."

Bart said she was assured by authorities that Escondido police and other law enforcement were going to look into the area in Pala where the dogs responded. "We gave our reports to cops that patronized us," she said.

http://www.10news.com/news/22770513/detail.html


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Post by: Bearlyhere on March 08, 2010, 12:06:50 AM
Chelsea was so close to his moms home ... Almost like it was ment to be..

Maybe Amber is close to moms home too ??


I am giving this guy way too much credit for thought I suppose.. But somehow he managed to Grab and run with these girls without being seen or herd by anyone.. So lets not set him a stupid fool just yet..



Another thought that rattles through my head is about the animal she was to purchase that day.  It does not appear there was any struggle when she was abducted.  I wonder if he found out about the purchase that day and he told her to get in the car to go look at the animal or told her that he was there in some capacity for the purchase of the animal.  Could he be connected to a farm or have overheard someone talking about that purchase.  The two things on the same day and no apparent struggle at the school site just seem too coincidental to me.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 12:07:22 AM
Searchers found Amber's skeletal remains early Saturday on the Pala Indian Reservation, a sparsely populated area that occupies more than 12,000 acres in the northeast corner of San Diego County, said Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. The county medical examiner's office confirmed later in the day the remains were Amber's through dental records, he said.
Maher declined to answer questions during a news conference Sunday because he said the discovery was part of an ongoing murder investigation. He said a "lead" brought investigators to the reservation, but he did not elaborate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_teen

Lots more to read here BUT... This was Indian reservation land and Nobody is allowed on it.
Searchers were not allowed to roam this land. It is Severn and separate from the united states of America. when it comes down to chasing the bad guys or doing something like searching for lost and missing people. Only The Elders of the tribe and the U.S. Marshall have jurisdiction. I am not real clear on that law.. But apparently if a crime is committed in Escondido and the culprit runs onto Indian land LE in Escondido have to call a U.S. Marshall to go get the bad guy..
I am not sure how much ass the U.S. Marshall service has to kiss to go there..

Carrie approached Tribal leaders..
jmho
 

It's not like you can't drive around Edward, I've been there.  It's not fenced in.  There is a HUGE casino out there as well.  Actually a couple of casinos.  My point is that if you ask they would probably say no but I don't think they would know if you didn't ask.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 12:21:18 AM
Searchers found Amber's skeletal remains early Saturday on the Pala Indian Reservation, a sparsely populated area that occupies more than 12,000 acres in the northeast corner of San Diego County, said Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. The county medical examiner's office confirmed later in the day the remains were Amber's through dental records, he said.
Maher declined to answer questions during a news conference Sunday because he said the discovery was part of an ongoing murder investigation. He said a "lead" brought investigators to the reservation, but he did not elaborate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_teen

Lots more to read here BUT... This was Indian reservation land and Nobody is allowed on it.
Searchers were not allowed to roam this land. It is Severn and separate from the united states of America. when it comes down to chasing the bad guys or doing something like searching for lost and missing people. Only The Elders of the tribe and the U.S. Marshall have jurisdiction. I am not real clear on that law.. But apparently if a crime is committed in Escondido and the culprit runs onto Indian land LE in Escondido have to call a U.S. Marshall to go get the bad guy..
I am not sure how much ass the U.S. Marshall service has to kiss to go there..

Carrie approached Tribal leaders..
jmho
 

It's not like you can't drive around Edward, I've been there.  It's not fenced in.  There is a HUGE casino out there as well.  Actually a couple of casinos.  My point is that if you ask they would probably say no but I don't think they would know if you didn't ask.

reports right now are conflicting whether Amber was found on the reservation or just outside of the reservation to the NE.  Tomorrows news conference will hopefully answer it.

This article states Amber was found north of the reservation
http://www.inlandnewstoday.com/story.php?s=13261


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 12:28:16 AM
<snipped>

There is no information about what lead investigators to the Pala area.

Word of a break in the case became apparent Sunday afternoon shortly before 2:00 p.m.  when the San Diego County Sheriff's Department announced a news conference would be held about the case at 3:30 at the sheriff's headquarters in Kearny Mesa.

Minutes later an announcement came that the location had been changed to the Escondido Police Department Heaquarters.  During the brief news conference, Escondido police chief Jim Maher was the only official who spoke.  Sheriff Bill Gore, who is facing his first election after being appointed to the position by county officials, stood silently behind Maher.

Gore told a few reporters after the news conference in Escondido that there would be a news conferece at the Sheriff's department Monday with more details of the case revealed.

The Escondido police department has come under frequent fire for how the Amber Dubois case was handled.  Most recently Amber's father said he wished the kind of search and investigative effort that the Chelsea King case received could have been launched for his daughter.

The San Diego County Sheriff's  department was the lead agency in the King case, even though the search area and crime scene were within the City of San Diego limits and within the jurisdiction of the San Diego Police Department.  Sheriff Bill Gore and his public relations spokesperson, Jan Caldwell, conducted all news conferences and major announcements about the King case.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-missing-Escondido-Chelsea-King/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 12:31:38 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d_KbzqXIJkI/SaKzFs9FrgI/AAAAAAAAAgY/c_bhGWypTto/s400/2_63_021909_amber3.jpg)

(http://bolstablog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/black-and-white-surrender-to-god.jpg)

From eternity to eternity I Am God;  No one can snatch anyone out of My Hand.  No one can undo what I have done.” Isaiah 43:13

(http://i34.tinypic.com/t7e7py.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 12:32:54 AM
Escondido mourns Amber's death (video)

http://www.kusi.com/home/86776942.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 08, 2010, 12:36:44 AM
I dont know if anyone commented about the attempted kidnapping in oct 28,2009, but it happened in lake elsinore and the suspect does not look like john gardner or they are saying it is not him. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/09301-lak.htm , maybe he has something to do about kristine nicole hamilton's disappearance like you said she is from moreno valley and she was 17 years old at the time.

I can’t remember if what this thread or the Who is Kevin O’Reilly thread, but I remember someone posted that JAG had at some point access or had a gold car, a black sedan and a Cadillac….


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 08, 2010, 12:39:43 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d_KbzqXIJkI/SaKzFs9FrgI/AAAAAAAAAgY/c_bhGWypTto/s400/2_63_021909_amber3.jpg)

(http://bolstablog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/black-and-white-surrender-to-god.jpg)

From eternity to eternity I Am God;  No one can snatch anyone out of My Hand.  No one can undo what I have done.” Isaiah 43:13

(http://i34.tinypic.com/t7e7py.jpg)


That is lovely Edward... thank you. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 12:42:02 AM
I grabbed the photos off the internet
 I did not see the birthday mention at the bottom of the one graphic,,
I just thought it was a nice photo of Amber with the Poppy flower...



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 12:45:57 AM
I dont know if anyone commented about the attempted kidnapping in oct 28,2009, but it happened in lake elsinore and the suspect does not look like john gardner or they are saying it is not him. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/09301-lak.htm , maybe he has something to do about kristine nicole hamilton's disappearance like you said she is from moreno valley and she was 17 years old at the time.

I can’t remember if what this thread or the Who is Kevin O’Reilly thread, but I remember someone posted that JAG had at some point access or had a gold car, a black sedan and a Cadillac….

LE has already suggested a possible connection between this missing person and JAG.  He does resemble the sketch as well.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 12:46:08 AM
Here's the link  http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/dubois-tip-didnt-come-gardner-source-says/

In the above story link, to the right is a photo of area roped off with police tape next with two police cars sitting in/on a crossroad or driveway entrance. The caption underneath the photo says:

On Sunday, the scene of discovery of Amber Dubois' skeletal remains were taped off on the west side of rural Pala Temecula Road about 3.5 miles from the intersection with Pala Mission Road near the Pala Casino

I looked at the google map of Pala Temecula Road from the intersection with Pala Mission and going up (North)  there are about 4-5 streets on the west side and probably twice that on the east side for about 5 miles or so. It looks rural but it is dotted with quite a few residences and a ranch or two. I dont know how to bring a google map of satelite images over.
(maybe a smarter monkey can)  ::MonkeyAngel::
I am just trying to get a feel for where she may have been located and thought it looked odd that the police were at the foot of an intersecting street.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 12:48:57 AM
Site of Amber's remains is north of Pala Mission
It's the same road along which Leticia Hernandez was found in 1989

The body of Amber Dubois was apparently found about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission, in a woodsy area.

Authorities have not confirmed the location, but Escondido police perimeter tape is strung around a spot west of Pala Temecula Road — about 10 miles north of the city limits.

It's the same area where 7-year-old Leticia Hernandez was discovered 15 months after she disappeared from her Oceanside home in 1989.

As of this evening, the site was guarded by a lone Escondido officer who declined comment. Two police cruisers were parked nearby.

Amber was 14 when she disappeared the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, as she was walking to Escondido High School. Her body was found Saturday in the Pala area of North County, authorities announced today.

There was no mention during today's news conference of John Albert Gardner III, the convicted sex offender charged last week in the rape and killing of 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway.

Chelsea disappeared on the afternoon of Feb. 25 while on a jog by herself around Lake Hodges. Like Amber’s abduction, Chelsea’s murder made national headlines.

Chelsea’s body was discovered in a tributary to Lake Hodges.

Pala Creek is near the area where Amber's body was apparently found. But because authorities would take no questions at the news conference, there is no official information about how or where her remains were situated.

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/amberscene_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/site-ambers-remains-north-pala-mission/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 08, 2010, 12:53:42 AM
Okay, I have been looking for the picture of the school parking lot with that red truck... I can't find it.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to effectively search for things like this within SM or can someone post it again?

I wanted to look at the pic again and see if there was a gold car, black sedan or cadillac in the lot (as those are the vehicles said to belong to JAG).  I am wondering if he had planned this out or if it was spontaneous.  Part of me thinks it was planned as there were no real witnessess with any viable info.  He could have know the exact path Amber walks, arrived early enough to park his car on the side of the street Amber will be walking to school.  He leaves it unlocked, then walks towards the direction she will be coming from and waits.  When he sees her coming, he begins walking and catches up with her and begins talking about I don't pretend to know what.  When they reach his car, he opens the door and shoves her in or convinces her somehow to get in... I am leaning more towards the shoving in, and off they go.  The library where that article says the bloodhounds followed her scent to.  What is the significance of that... Amber did love to read.... Okay, just throwing all that out there...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 01:05:12 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_24b443c5-8634-598e-a5ff-2bea337f6d73.html  (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_24b443c5-8634-598e-a5ff-2bea337f6d73.html)

Not sure if this has been posted yet, my apologies if so. I thought some of the statements were interesting.

<snipped-article is long>

Last reports of seeing her

A neighbor who had dropped his son off at school said he noticed Amber walking on the sidewalk as he drove north on Broadway. Another neighbor who was heading south on the same road to drop off her son said she nearly stopped to give Amber a ride because it was drizzling that morning.

She told police she did not stop because she believed Amber was walking with a boy. Both neighbors were seen on the school's security camera video dropping their kids off within minutes of each other, between 7:08 a.m. and 7:10 a.m.

The young man was described as tall and dark-skinned, about high school age.

Police have said he may have been the last person to see her.

A few days after Amber disappeared, police set up a roadblock at the northern end of the school to question everyone traveling through the area. They asked whether anyone had seen anything. They also asked the parents who saw her last to look at yearbooks to

Amber, who was wearing black jeans and a black hoodie that day, was probably wearing her hood up because of the rain, making her difficult to recognize.

The next day, Amber's cell phone was turned on, police have said. Someone attempted to check the phone's voice mail. The signal was picked up by a cell tower on Amber Lane in northern Escondido. The tower covers a five-mile radius, which means the phone could have been just about anywhere in Escondido.

Police issued an emergency alert phone call to homes in the area asking whether anyone had seen Amber, but again found nothing.

On Friday and Saturday, searchers scoured Kit Carson Park following a report from a group of girls that they had seen a bag containing hair last May.

The girls reminded their parents of that last week, and Escondido Police initiated the search in response. The search effort ended shortly after noon, apparently called off after Amber's body was identified.

Posted in Sdcounty on Sunday, March 7, 2010 2:29 pm Updated: 6:43 pm. | Tags: Nct, News, Regional, San Diego


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 01:07:02 AM
thanks...piwannaberookie.  It looks like anything is possible with this guy...so I wouldn't rule it out.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 01:15:08 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_24b443c5-8634-598e-a5ff-2bea337f6d73.html  (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_24b443c5-8634-598e-a5ff-2bea337f6d73.html)

Not sure if this has been posted yet, my apologies if so. I thought some of the statements were interesting.

<snipped-article is long>

Last reports of seeing her

A neighbor who had dropped his son off at school said he noticed Amber walking on the sidewalk as he drove north on Broadway. Another neighbor who was heading south on the same road to drop off her son said she nearly stopped to give Amber a ride because it was drizzling that morning.

She told police she did not stop because she believed Amber was walking with a boy. Both neighbors were seen on the school's security camera video dropping their kids off within minutes of each other, between 7:08 a.m. and 7:10 a.m.

The young man was described as tall and dark-skinned, about high school age.

Police have said he may have been the last person to see her.

A few days after Amber disappeared, police set up a roadblock at the northern end of the school to question everyone traveling through the area. They asked whether anyone had seen anything. They also asked the parents who saw her last to look at yearbooks to

Amber, who was wearing black jeans and a black hoodie that day, was probably wearing her hood up because of the rain, making her difficult to recognize.

The next day, Amber's cell phone was turned on, police have said. Someone attempted to check the phone's voice mail. The signal was picked up by a cell tower on Amber Lane in northern Escondido. The tower covers a five-mile radius, which means the phone could have been just about anywhere in Escondido.

Police issued an emergency alert phone call to homes in the area asking whether anyone had seen Amber, but again found nothing.

On Friday and Saturday, searchers scoured Kit Carson Park following a report from a group of girls that they had seen a bag containing hair last May.

The girls reminded their parents of that last week, and Escondido Police initiated the search in response. The search effort ended shortly after noon, apparently called off after Amber's body was identified.

Posted in Sdcounty on Sunday, March 7, 2010 2:29 pm Updated: 6:43 pm. | Tags: Nct, News, Regional, San Diego


There was nothing mentioned about "doughy" as stated in a previous article posted tonight witnesses say he was doughy. I am taking that to mean he was a big? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 01:22:58 AM
Here's the link  http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/dubois-tip-didnt-come-gardner-source-says/

In the above story link, to the right is a photo of area roped off with police tape next with two police cars sitting in/on a crossroad or driveway entrance. The caption underneath the photo says:

On Sunday, the scene of discovery of Amber Dubois' skeletal remains were taped off on the west side of rural Pala Temecula Road about 3.5 miles from the intersection with Pala Mission Road near the Pala Casino

I looked at the google map of Pala Temecula Road from the intersection with Pala Mission and going up (North)  there are about 4-5 streets on the west side and probably twice that on the east side for about 5 miles or so. It looks rural but it is dotted with quite a few residences and a ranch or two. I dont know how to bring a google map of satelite images over.
(maybe a smarter monkey can)  ::MonkeyAngel::
I am just trying to get a feel for where she may have been located and thought it looked odd that the police were at the foot of an intersecting street.

A&B are both Pala Casino.  You can see Pala-Temecula Rd to the right of the casino.  So it sounds like the location is before you get to the casino.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/PalaCasino.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Pala.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 01:27:06 AM




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There was nothing mentioned about "doughy" as stated in a previous article posted tonight witnesses say he was doughy. I am taking that to mean he was a big? 
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That is the way I took it as well, like the pillsbury Dough Boy I assume. Odd way to describe someone as "doughy" though. I have never heard of that word before.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 01:30:44 AM
Okay, I have been looking for the picture of the school parking lot with that red truck... I can't find it.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to effectively search for things like this within SM or can someone post it again?

I wanted to look at the pic again and see if there was a gold car, black sedan or cadillac in the lot (as those are the vehicles said to belong to JAG).  I am wondering if he had planned this out or if it was spontaneous.  Part of me thinks it was planned as there were no real witnessess with any viable info.  He could have know the exact path Amber walks, arrived early enough to park his car on the side of the street Amber will be walking to school.  He leaves it unlocked, then walks towards the direction she will be coming from and waits.  When he sees her coming, he begins walking and catches up with her and begins talking about I don't pretend to know what.  When they reach his car, he opens the door and shoves her in or convinces her somehow to get in... I am leaning more towards the shoving in, and off they go.  The library where that article says the bloodhounds followed her scent to.  What is the significance of that... Amber did love to read.... Okay, just throwing all that out there...

This is the only video I can find of the truck, I did a google search and found it there may be others out there that aren't cut.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Amber_Dubois_Case_HS_Surveillance_Video_San_Diego.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 01:31:22 AM
Thank you so much Klaas!! ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: (I get disoriented messing around with the google maps sometimes.. ::MonkeyConfused::, so this was a big help.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 01:32:43 AM
Where is the creek do you know? I can't find it


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 01:37:45 AM
Where is the creek do you know? I can't find it

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/PalaCreek.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 08, 2010, 01:40:44 AM
Thank Tracygirl

You think the school would have more cameras in more locations... with better quality... frustrating. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 01:42:35 AM
http://www.thenewsroom.com/details/3682716/Humor

Here is anothe video of the truck. This one shows the truck leaving and the bus driver walking up to get into the bus. or at least that is what we have been told, it is the bus driver. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Cappuccino on March 08, 2010, 01:51:40 AM
Dubois Family Publicist Upset With Response From Authorities
Michelle Bart Feels Police Dismissed Results Of Search Dogs

POSTED: 7:08 pm PST March

SAN DIEGO -- After the announcement Sunday afternoon that the remains of 14-year-old Escondido teen Amber Dubois were located in Pala, 10News spoke with the publicist hired by Amber's grandmother about the dogs the family brought out to search for the teen last year and the positive hit they received on the Pala reservation.

Publicist Michelle Bart was noticeably upset in her interview with 10News' Itica Milanes. Bart broke into tears when describing the frustration she felt dealing with Escondido police.

The dogs brought to locate Amber in August of 2009, were scent dogs with special training for cold cases.

10News reporter Steve Fiorina spoke with the veteran dog handlers who told him that they'd found clues on cases where the person had been missing longer than Amber Dubois had been at that point.

The two dogs, Jack, a German shorthaired pointer, and Quincy, a yellow labrador retriever, were each trained to track an old scent but with different specialties.

"Jack is a very air-sensitive dog," dog handler Sarah Platts said. "Quincy is detail oriented."

"As a family, we decided to try anything we can," Moe Dubois, Amber's father, said.

"Its been very difficult because we know that back in August those dogs hit on Pala," the publicist, who worked closely with the family, told Milanes Sunday.

"Two dogs hit on particular things," she said, "the handlers knew nothing about the case... We said there's no doubt in our minds, we'll go to our death beds knowing that Amber's been here."

But Bart said the officer assigned to their search didn't seem interested. "The officer that was with us didn't do anything, he kept quiet the whole time just like he was our escort," she said.

"It was unbelievable, just unbelievable," she said. "When the police came out and told all of you in the media that the dogs didn't hit on anything, nothing was found... my heart has been dropping because we could not say anything."

Bart said she was assured by authorities that Escondido police and other law enforcement were going to look into the area in Pala where the dogs responded. "We gave our reports to cops that patronized us," she said.

http://www.10news.com/news/22770513/detail.html

Interesting sidebar note to this horror, this same Michelle Bart from the Anthony case ? if so she bought & put forward on behalf of the Anthonys that  those dogs were wrong regarding Casey's car & the Anthony backyard....things that make you go hmmm.     While I am thoroughly & completely livid with how JAG was let out to strike repetitively & moreover not caught even before Amber's murder by LE, these cases just don't need people like Bart inserting themselves into these cases for face time and a buck.

I just read the news after watching the Oscars, this is no coincidence I felt it as soon as Chelsea was reporting missing in that area, then seeing this monsters record sealed it for me.   I got the sense from Amber's father during his presser after Chelsea was found that he knew this was the fate Amber was tortured through by this same monster.   I am just absolutely disgusted how the justice system failed these two very young girls (probably more).    O sigh, not how I expected to feel after watching glitz & glam all day & night.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 01:58:50 AM
thanks klaas.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:01:04 AM
If I take a look at the picture with the police car and the two articles that give a location of north of Pala Mission on Pala Temecula Rd, this is the only tree that fits the one in the image.  It is at the intersection of Arouba Rd and Temecua Rd. This is my guess with what info we have tonight. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:04:48 AM
Here is the link to the map if anyone wants to move around in that area. 

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=33.399954,-117.083702&daddr=Pala-Temecula+Rd&geocode=%3BFaId_QEd3pEF-Q&hl=en&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=16&sll=33.403537,-117.082179&sspn=0.008204,0.011888&ie=UTF8&ll=33.399833,-117.083707&spn=0,359.997028&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.399919,-117.083717&panoid=8mTI132y5N11MKu3H2VpMQ&cbp=12,310.04,,0,-10.43


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 02:06:06 AM
Michelle Bart should have leaked it, I would have. This is important for the public to know, what if someone saw something but didn't know they saw it? This is why in my opinion LE is wrong about not using the publics help.

I am curious about this person that told LE about where to find amber. How would they know? Maybe they did see him around that area at that time and didn't realize it? Maybe he talked to someone? maybe like his doctor or who ever counsels him? Maybe his girl friend? Mommy dearest finally felt she should no longer cover for her son?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 08, 2010, 02:12:02 AM

In August those dogs hit in that area. The police did not take it seriously. I am livid now  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:13:21 AM
Dubois Family Publicist Upset With Response From Authorities
Michelle Bart Feels Police Dismissed Results Of Search Dogs

POSTED: 7:08 pm PST March

SAN DIEGO -- After the announcement Sunday afternoon that the remains of 14-year-old Escondido teen Amber Dubois were located in Pala, 10News spoke with the publicist hired by Amber's grandmother about the dogs the family brought out to search for the teen last year and the positive hit they received on the Pala reservation.

Publicist Michelle Bart was noticeably upset in her interview with 10News' Itica Milanes. Bart broke into tears when describing the frustration she felt dealing with Escondido police.

The dogs brought to locate Amber in August of 2009, were scent dogs with special training for cold cases.

10News reporter Steve Fiorina spoke with the veteran dog handlers who told him that they'd found clues on cases where the person had been missing longer than Amber Dubois had been at that point.

The two dogs, Jack, a German shorthaired pointer, and Quincy, a yellow labrador retriever, were each trained to track an old scent but with different specialties.

"Jack is a very air-sensitive dog," dog handler Sarah Platts said. "Quincy is detail oriented."

"As a family, we decided to try anything we can," Moe Dubois, Amber's father, said.

"Its been very difficult because we know that back in August those dogs hit on Pala," the publicist, who worked closely with the family, told Milanes Sunday.

"Two dogs hit on particular things," she said, "the handlers knew nothing about the case... We said there's no doubt in our minds, we'll go to our death beds knowing that Amber's been here."

But Bart said the officer assigned to their search didn't seem interested. "The officer that was with us didn't do anything, he kept quiet the whole time just like he was our escort," she said.

"It was unbelievable, just unbelievable," she said. "When the police came out and told all of you in the media that the dogs didn't hit on anything, nothing was found... my heart has been dropping because we could not say anything."

Bart said she was assured by authorities that Escondido police and other law enforcement were going to look into the area in Pala where the dogs responded. "We gave our reports to cops that patronized us," she said.

http://www.10news.com/news/22770513/detail.html

Interesting sidebar note to this horror, this same Michelle Bart from the Anthony case ? if so she bought & put forward on behalf of the Anthonys that  those dogs were wrong regarding Casey's car & the Anthony backyard....things that make you go hmmm.     While I am thoroughly & completely livid with how JAG was let out to strike repetitively & moreover not caught even before Amber's murder by LE, these cases just don't need people like Bart inserting themselves into these cases for face time and a buck.

I just read the news after watching the Oscars, this is no coincidence I felt it as soon as Chelsea was reporting missing in that area, then seeing this monsters record sealed it for me.   I got the sense from Amber's father during his presser after Chelsea was found that he knew this was the fate Amber was tortured through by this same monster.   I am just absolutely disgusted how the justice system failed these two very young girls (probably more).    O sigh, not how I expected to feel after watching glitz & glam all day & night.

Yes Capp it is the same Bart who said in the Anthony case that the dogs did not know the difference between rotting pizza and a body, and then more recently in her radio show that the Coroner could not tell if the remains were that of a boy or girl and that Caylee is still alive which means Cindy is wearing someone elses ashes in her urn jewlery.

This is no coincidence.  It is someone who feels they are safe now that JAG is in custody that has finally come forward IMO.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 08, 2010, 02:16:12 AM

They screwed up on the Crowe case, and now they screwed up on this case IMHO.

Can you imagine, flying in special dogs who hit on an area and the police do not take it seriously???



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 02:18:58 AM
Here is the link to the map if anyone wants to move around in that area. 

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=33.399954,-117.083702&daddr=Pala-Temecula+Rd&geocode=%3BFaId_QEd3pEF-Q&hl=en&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=16&sll=33.403537,-117.082179&sspn=0.008204,0.011888&ie=UTF8&ll=33.399833,-117.083707&spn=0,359.997028&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.399919,-117.083717&panoid=8mTI132y5N11MKu3H2VpMQ&cbp=12,310.04,,0,-10.43

Thanks Northern! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 02:25:40 AM

They screwed up on the Crowe case, and now they screwed up on this case IMHO.

Can you imagine, flying in special dogs who hit on an area and the police do not take it seriously???



No I can't imagine and it is a travisty. I have a feeling we should all hold onto our cowboy hats because I think this is going to get much worse before it gets better. I just have that feelin.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2010, 02:26:41 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/?imw=Y

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/amber-dubois_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

 ::MonkeyAngel::  Amber Dubois  ::MonkeyAngel::
Rest in Peace Amber. My thoughts and prayers are with your family, and friends.

   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: EverySunset on March 08, 2010, 02:52:45 AM
So saddened by this news. Once again, I gather round the monkeys, only to be, yet again, sickened to my stomach. I'm sorry for what Amber and her family have to go through. It needs to stop. The line was crossed long ago. We do not stand for murder or abuse of any kind on children. It needs to stop. I agree, one strike and you're out. I'm an animal lover and I know you have to have a good heart to love and care for them. I know Amber loved animals. She was truly a kind hearted human being. I am sorry to her family and everyone who knew her.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 03:05:27 AM
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-03-12/news/mn-138_1_oceanside-police
Here is an article on the little girl they found in this area back in 1989 in case anyone is interested. I am trying to find if this was ever solved, not sure. Anyone know?

I am off to bed, it has been a long day and I am seeing double. Prayers tonight go out to Ambers family and friends.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 03:45:04 AM
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-amber-dubois-pala-scene-sunday,0,7124263.story  (http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-amber-dubois-pala-scene-sunday,0,7124263.story)

Skeletal remains of Amber Dubois found, investigation continues

FOX 5 San Diego Staff

10:50 PM PST, March 7, 2010

PALA, Calif. - A locked steel gate separates the public roadway from the area where Amber Dubois's skeletal remains were discovered Saturday in Pala. Beyond the gate is a private road where the investigation continues for any clues to who is responsible.



Investigators identified her remains Sunday afternoon in a press conference in Escondido, but wouldn't give any additional details about how they found them or what lead them in this direction.

The area that's blocked off by police tape sits on a winding road just five miles north of the Pala Casino. Sheriff's deputies at the scene described the area as a remote and desolate part in the outskirts of San Diego County.

The community has been following the missing Escondido teen's case from the day she disappeared February 13th, 2009. Some people even made their way to the crime scene.

"We want to show the area where Amber's remains were found," Stacey Humphrey said as she stood near the scene where authorities discovered the skeletal remains of Amber. "Sheriff's deputies have put up this yellow tape and it's down this private road in a rural and desolate area where Amber's skeletal remains were found."

Dave Linstrom expressed his feelings, "Ughhhh, I kinda feel sick about it you know I was just hoping she was still alive, you know you just keep it in the back of your head."

"It's good for the mom, the dad and the grandma and everybody involved to be able to put it to rest. It's terrible; but to live with the unknown I think would be worse."

The deputies at the Pala scene told Fox 5 News that they are expected to be investigating the area through Monday.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 03:53:40 AM
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/ (http://www.fox5sandiego.com/)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sweetie_pi on March 08, 2010, 03:56:15 AM
Dubois Family Publicist Upset With Response From Authorities
Michelle Bart Feels Police Dismissed Results Of Search Dogs
 feel after watching glitz & glam all day & night.

I hope they waterboarded Garder for Amber's location. I would have. That being said...

I have said this before and I will say it again, pedophilia is also a rich man's sordid crime, and only when the papparazzi go after them will we the ppl get a handle on this epidemic of child rape and murder, child porn, that feeds a global industry of child trafficking.

When the power base wants to tie the hands of the local police, they can do so. And there's hardly anything the local cops can do.  LE dragging it's heels? You bet a big reason is understaffing, etc. But, the is another pattern clear as day, and that pattern has to do with e.g., the coincidence of Amber's remains found right after that long, long pedophile Gardner, (alleged) murderer rapist of Chelsea King, raping away since high schoool, let out of one rape after another,  then living next door to another pedophile, and 1-2 blocks from 11 others, gotta ask which conencted pedo porn ring they're feeding. Same reason the (in his collegue's opinion too) the totally unethical Behar will get Cantu's murderer (alleged) off the hook - very big pedo rings ALL. All protected. It's scum like this that we're gonna keep Gitmo open for also.

Want to stop this? Want to stop the Amber's and Chelsea's.... Everyone sez yes, then kick the darn cowardly "media" in their butts to go after the wealthy who keep a global industry of kiddieporn and child trafficking more lucrative than narco-terrorism. ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 08, 2010, 05:26:56 AM
if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am

Just a little detective work..
Go to the meeting place and ask the leader of that meeting if Gardner ever attended.
But before you do.. Did he ever have a conviction for alcohol abuse ? Becaise I would think that is how you get a ticket to go to such meetings.
jmho



http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh26-2/103-108.htm
National Institute on Alcoholism and Substance Abuse

A ticket?

Well, you don't get a ticket per se = as a member of AA for almost 5 years I would say about 1/5th of our membership comes as a result of drinking and driving or other alcohol offense. Most of us go just because we come to the conclusion we have a problem.  I also saw a comment about Bi polar and self medicating. This is not as true as the rest of the world would like to believe - most alcoholics that come into AA with diagnosis of BiPolar have that changed when they get sober. Unfortunately, alcohol often makes one act bipolar - that being said, some bipolars do self medicate.

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh26-2/103-108.htm
National Institute on Alcoholism and Substance Abuse
Bipolar disorder and alcoholism commonly co–occur. Multiple explanations for the relationship between these conditions have been proposed, but this relationship remains poorly understood.
<snip>
Bipolar disorder and alcoholism co–occur at higher than expected rates

http://bipolar-disorder.wegohealth.com/bipolar-disorder-and-alcoholism.html
Bipolar Disorder and Alcoholism
Many articles here.

McMan's Depression and Bipolar Web
Both must be treated
Over half of people with bipolar disorder suffer from alcoholism, alcohol abuse or drug abuse; this dynamic is called dual diagnosis. Read how each disorder requires treatment.

Science Daily
Bipolar disorder drug cuts drinking

PsychCentral
Best practice is simultaneous treatment
The research on alcoholism, or alcohol or other drug abuse, and bipolar disorder says treating both at the same time is most effective.

http://bipolar.about.com/od/alcoholsubstanceabuse/Alcohol_Substance_Abuse.htm
Bipolar Disorder About.com
Alcohol & Substance Abuse
It is generally believed that 30% to 60% of those with bipolar disorder (manic depression) also struggle with alcoholism or substance abuse perhaps in an attempt to self-medicate.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200305/alcoholism-and-bipolar-disorder
Alcoholism and Bipolar Disorder
The temptation to have just one more drink may be too great for women with bipolar disorder. Research has found that they are seven times more likely to suffer from alcoholism than other women. Bipolar men are at risk too; they are three times more likely to suffer from alcoholism than other men.

The worry, experts note, is that these patients try to self-medicate themselves by drinking too much. To understand the drinking problems of bipolar patients, Mark Frye and researchers from the University of California at Los Angeles examined 267 outpatients enrolled in the Stanley Foundation Bipolar Network.
******************************************************

There are many many more articles to support my position and that of the Psychologists and Psychiatrists I talked to about it.  I had done a lot of research on this topic.  I would be very interested in the research that supports your conclusion as I am have read a lot on this topic as it pertains to a dear friend of mine.  Thank you.

JAG also had a bunch of over the counter pills in his pocket when he was arrested.







Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 08, 2010, 05:51:11 AM

Over the past 13 months we have gotten to know Amber through her family and those who love her.  We have learned of her passion for wolves.  My son has the same passion for animals, especially those on the endangered list, and wolves are his favorite topic to write about in that category, so I am reminded of her at home.  We know what she likes, we know her character, we know she would never run away, we know she has perfect attendance, and so many other things.  A bright light has gone out in our world that can never be replaced, our history is forever changed by her death.

The one thing that this long period of time before finding her did, is make her better known to us and those who have been searching for her and following her case.  While it is optimal to find your loved one right away, this gave us the opportunity to know, to like, and to love Amber.  It is so hard to believe what has happened to her.  It makes me physically ill and uncontrollably sad. 

Amber's family has been such crusaders for her, that she is well-loved is obvious.  I cannot imagine the pain they are going through, as just knowing her for 13 months has endeared her to my heart, where she will remain.

My deepest sympathy and condolences go to Amber's family and those who love her.  You have courage beyond what anyone could imagine.  God bless you, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on March 08, 2010, 07:19:08 AM
I found this article from last Father's day where Amber's Daddy wrote her a letter,In the article they talk about a red truck.I am wondering if JAG ever had access to a red truck back around May,June 2009.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Detectives previously expressed interest in locating a large burgundy pickup truck that might be connected with a pair of molestations of young girls in San Diego.

The Escondido Police Department in April released surveillance video that showed such a vehicle pulling into the bus maintenance yard at Amber's school for three minutes on the morning she disappeared.

Last month, it was reported that a similar pickup truck was driven by a suspect possibly connected to the San Diego molestations.

The victims, ages 5 and 6, were separately assaulted on April 1 at the College Grove Wal-Mart store, and May 17 at a Wal-Mart in Kearny Mesa.

Surveillance cameras at both stores showed a 6-foot tall white man entering a four-door burgundy pickup truck with a chrome box in the bed, police said.

No arrest has been made in the molestations.

http://www.10news.com/news/19817494/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 1/15/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on March 08, 2010, 07:33:25 AM
if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am

Just a little detective work..
Go to the meeting place and ask the leader of that meeting if Gardner ever attended.
But before you do.. Did he ever have a conviction for alcohol abuse ? Becaise I would think that is how you get a ticket to go to such meetings.
jmho



http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh26-2/103-108.htm
National Institute on Alcoholism and Substance Abuse

A ticket?

Well, you don't get a ticket per se = as a member of AA for almost 5 years I would say about 1/5th of our membership comes as a result of drinking and driving or other alcohol offense. Most of us go just because we come to the conclusion we have a problem.  I also saw a comment about Bi polar and self medicating. This is not as true as the rest of the world would like to believe - most alcoholics that come into AA with diagnosis of BiPolar have that changed when they get sober. Unfortunately, alcohol often makes one act bipolar - that being said, some bipolars do self medicate.

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh26-2/103-108.htm
National Institute on Alcoholism and Substance Abuse
Bipolar disorder and alcoholism commonly co–occur. Multiple explanations for the relationship between these conditions have been proposed, but this relationship remains poorly understood.
<snip>
Bipolar disorder and alcoholism co–occur at higher than expected rates

http://bipolar-disorder.wegohealth.com/bipolar-disorder-and-alcoholism.html
Bipolar Disorder and Alcoholism
Many articles here.

McMan's Depression and Bipolar Web
Both must be treated
Over half of people with bipolar disorder suffer from alcoholism, alcohol abuse or drug abuse; this dynamic is called dual diagnosis. Read how each disorder requires treatment.

Science Daily
Bipolar disorder drug cuts drinking

PsychCentral
Best practice is simultaneous treatment
The research on alcoholism, or alcohol or other drug abuse, and bipolar disorder says treating both at the same time is most effective.

http://bipolar.about.com/od/alcoholsubstanceabuse/Alcohol_Substance_Abuse.htm
Bipolar Disorder About.com
Alcohol & Substance Abuse
It is generally believed that 30% to 60% of those with bipolar disorder (manic depression) also struggle with alcoholism or substance abuse perhaps in an attempt to self-medicate.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200305/alcoholism-and-bipolar-disorder
Alcoholism and Bipolar Disorder
The temptation to have just one more drink may be too great for women with bipolar disorder. Research has found that they are seven times more likely to suffer from alcoholism than other women. Bipolar men are at risk too; they are three times more likely to suffer from alcoholism than other men.

The worry, experts note, is that these patients try to self-medicate themselves by drinking too much. To understand the drinking problems of bipolar patients, Mark Frye and researchers from the University of California at Los Angeles examined 267 outpatients enrolled in the Stanley Foundation Bipolar Network.
******************************************************

There are many many more articles to support my position and that of the Psychologists and Psychiatrists I talked to about it.  I had done a lot of research on this topic.  I would be very interested in the research that supports your conclusion as I am have read a lot on this topic as it pertains to a dear friend of mine.  Thank you.

JAG also had a bunch of over the counter pills in his pocket when he was arrested.







Bearly - I will apologize up front because this answer is going to offend many people. The reason that medical people say that people are bipolar or alcoholic is simple - money. Treatment centers do not fix true alcoholics. Recovery with medical treatment only is very rare for the TRUE alcoholic. Many people are diagnosed with alcoholism who are not true and real alcoholics. My opinion is based on 60+ years of experience of our fellowship. Add to that the alcoholism is a medical disease.  While many people with alcoholism do have co morbid mental disorders, this is not always true. Medical studies show that TRUE alcoholics metabolize alcohol differently than normal people. It is my opinion (and since I am not a doctor it is just that - an opinion) is that my experience shows (and is confirmed by the findings of many of my fellowship - all the way back to the 1930s) the diagnosis of alcoholism is not a medical diagnosis. Alcohol abuse or alcohol related medical/psychological problems can be diagnosed by the medial professionals. Alcoholism can not be diagnosed by the average medical professional. Alcoholism is a three part disease - mental, physical and spiritual. The physical is easy to see and diagnose but the other two are no so easy unless you are the person.

I do not want to clog this thread with this information - if you have more questions or need clarification - my throw away addy is ckg2472-votes@yahoo.com. Feel free to email me.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 08:52:43 AM

Over the past 13 months we have gotten to know Amber through her family and those who love her.  We have learned of her passion for wolves.  My son has the same passion for animals, especially those on the endangered list, and wolves are his favorite topic to write about in that category, so I am reminded of her at home.  We know what she likes, we know her character, we know she would never run away, we know she has perfect attendance, and so many other things.  A bright light has gone out in our world that can never be replaced, our history is forever changed by her death.

The one thing that this long period of time before finding her did, is make her better known to us and those who have been searching for her and following her case.  While it is optimal to find your loved one right away, this gave us the opportunity to know, to like, and to love Amber.  It is so hard to believe what has happened to her.  It makes me physically ill and uncontrollably sad. 

Amber's family has been such crusaders for her, that she is well-loved is obvious.  I cannot imagine the pain they are going through, as just knowing her for 13 months has endeared her to my heart, where she will remain.

My deepest sympathy and condolences go to Amber's family and those who love her.  You have courage beyond what anyone could imagine.  God bless you, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers.



This must be very difficult for you...being so close to such a horrible thing.  The news of Chelsea and Amber breaks my heart and has affected me in many ways...so, I could not imagine how you are feeling.  God Bless you and the loved ones of Chelsea and Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 09:11:46 AM
Michelle Bart should have leaked it, I would have. This is important for the public to know, what if someone saw something but didn't know they saw it? This is why in my opinion LE is wrong about not using the publics help.

I am curious about this person that told LE about where to find amber. How would they know? Maybe they did see him around that area at that time and didn't realize it? Maybe he talked to someone? maybe like his doctor or who ever counsels him? Maybe his girl friend? Mommy dearest finally felt she should no longer cover for her son?

I honestly don't care for Michelle Bart after the Anthony case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 09:34:09 AM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-08/local-county-news/amber-dubois-candelight-vigil-set-for-monday-night-in-escondido
(http://www.sdnn.com/files/2010/03/amber-dubois-lead.jpg)

Amber Dubois candelight vigil set for Monday night in Escondido

Posted By chris.nixon On March 8, 2010 @ 2:44 am In Local News

ESCONDIDO – A candlelight vigil will be held Monday night at Escondido High School for Amber Dubois, whose skeletal remains were found in Pala more than a year after she disappeared while walking to the school when she was 14 years old. The vigil is set for 6:30 p.m. at the high school at 1535 N. Broadway, Escondido.

Despite a prolonged search by law enforcement, her family and volunteers, her body was not found until Saturday.

“The discovery was made in the early morning hours of Saturday, in a very rugged and remote section of Pala,” Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said at a news conference.

Pala is in northern San Diego County, about 25 miles from Escondido.

The chief said detectives were following a lead when her body was found.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 08, 2010, 09:56:14 AM
Not sure if this was posted:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/dubois-tip-didnt-come-gardner-source-says/

Dubois tip didn't come from Gardner, source says
P.I. says the accused killer of Chelsea King didn't lead authorities to Amber's remains
By John Wilkens, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Sunday, March 7, 2010 at 5:58 p.m

Accused killer John Albert Gardner III had nothing to do with the tip that led law enforcement to Amber Dubois’ remains, according to a local private investigator who worked on the case.

Bill Garcia, hired by Amber’s family shortly after she disappeared, said he was told by a person with first-hand knowledge that the tip about the location of the remains did not come from Gardner, who was charged Wednesday with the rape and murder of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

“The entire Chelsea King event emotionally pulled at somebody who had this information,” Garcia said. “They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”

Amber was 14 when she disappeared the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, as she was walking to Escondido High School. Her body was found Saturday in the Pala area of North County, authorities announced today.

Garcia said he’s long suspected Amber's body might be found in the Pala area, because any abductor would have wanted to get away from high-traffic areas quickly, and rural routes out of Escondido lead to the Pauma Valley.

“We’ve spent a lot of time in the past year, working that canyon,” Garcia said. “You put yourself in the mindset of someone who would perpetrate this crime, and all the indicators point in that direction. It’s no mystery to me that’s where she was found.”

He said his “suspicion” is that the remains were found in the northeast corner of the Pala reservation, “in an area that is difficult to get into and an area we have not searched.”

People.com initially reported that a hiker had stumbled on the remains, but a law enforcement source told The San Diego Union-Tribune that is not correct. People.com removed the reference in later versions of its story.

A former federal firefighter, Garcia has been a private investigator since 1992 and has been involved in two other high-profile searches in San Diego for missing children, Danielle van Dam and Jahi Turner.

One of his teams found Danielle’s body in Dehesa, 25 days after the 7-year-old was snatched from her bedroom in Sabre Springs in February 2002. A neighbor, David Westerfield, was convicted in the case and is on death row.

Jahi, 2, was reported missing from a playground near the edge of Balboa Park in April 2002. He is still missing.

Garcia said about the only positive thing to come from the discovery of Amber’s remains “is that Moe and Carrie finally have some answers. Not knowing — that’s what destroys families.”

Staff writer Kristina Davis contributed to this report



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 08, 2010, 09:57:57 AM
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-03-12/news/mn-138_1_oceanside-police
Here is an article on the little girl they found in this area back in 1989 in case anyone is interested. I am trying to find if this was ever solved, not sure. Anyone know?

I am off to bed, it has been a long day and I am seeing double. Prayers tonight go out to Ambers family and friends.

Missing in 89' - Found in 1991, Tracy. No, it has not been solved.
Leticia Hernandez is listed here >>

Past child abduction and murder cases in San Diego County
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/06/past-child-abduction-and-murder-cases-san-diego-co/



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:32:19 AM
Amber's remains found; father thanks supporters
Police say discovery near Pala ends 13-month search for Escondido teen


The 13-month mystery about Amber Dubois ended Sunday in the worst way imaginable, with police announcing they had found human skeletal remains and positively identified them as those of the missing 14-year-old.

At an afternoon news conference inside Escondido police headquarters, Police Chief Jim Maher told a room filled with reporters and city officials that information developed in the past few days led investigators to a remote corner of the county north of the tiny community of Pala.

Bones discovered Saturday morning were confirmed to be Amber’s through a check of dental records that afternoon, Maher said. Her parents were notified within hours.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission — the same area where the remains of 7-year-old Leticia Hernandez were discovered 15 months after she disappeared from her Oceanside home in 1989.

MORE....

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/ambermap_t200.jpg?39712786e4cb1cbb07eb37efc554bfcda7e0e9b8)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/site-ambers-remains-north-pala-mission/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:36:31 AM
ESCONDIDO: Family, community mourn Amber Dubois

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/5/05/079/50507936-4319-5659-8261-be73b1a39624.preview-300.jpg?_dc=1268029807)

After more than a year of rallying the public to bring 14-year-old Amber Dubois home alive, her family on Sunday retreated in grief at the news the missing girl was found dead. The community began its mourning, too.

Amber's skeletal remains were found north of the Pala Indian Reservation Saturday morning by police and sheriff's detectives following a tip, Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said Sunday at a news conference.

Amber's father Maurice Dubois and mother Carrie McGonigle learned the news Saturday evening, Maher said. They attended Sunday's press conference, but appeared too aggrieved to speak at length.

With wet eyes and a faraway look, a hunched Maurice Dubois briefly thanked volunteers who had helped search for his daughter. McGonigle stood by his side, also tearful.

Ever since Amber, a bookish freshman, disappeared without a trace on her way to school at Escondido High on Feb. 13, 2009, her parents have said they believed she was alive, most probably abducted by someone who was keeping her against her will.

Only last week, when 30-year-old registered sex offender John Albert Gardner was arrested on suspicion of killing 17-year-old Chelsea King near Lake Hodges, did they begin speaking openly about the possibility that Gardner, who lived in Escondido from 2008 until early 2010, might have killed their daughter.

"In our hearts, we don't want to accept that," Maurice Dubois said last week.

Maher on Sunday would not comment on the investigation and would not say whether Gardner was suspected in Amber's death.

On Sunday, the family of Chelsea King reacted to Amber's death on their Facebook page, Chelsea's Light.

"Chelsea's light is grieving not only for Chelsea, but for beautiful Amber Dubois, whose remains were discovered today. Our hearts and love go out to the Dubois family."

Several Amber Dubois memorial pages also had been added to Facebook by Sunday evening.

Escondido resident Michelle Tuckerson said she and her husband became friends with Maurice Dubois after stopping off at the Amber Search Center last March to help. She said she cried Sunday when she learned of his new grief.

"You want closure for the family, so they can mourn, but at the same time, I just know the pain is unbelievable," Tuckerson said. "He believed it with all his heart she wasn't dead"

Amber's mysterious disappearance has haunted people in Escondido and beyond, with thousands putting up posters or getting involved in weekend searches, fundraisers and vigils.

Mayor Lori Holt Pfeiler said the community would "mourn and grieve" Amber's death. A longstanding wish she might one day come home made her death even harder, she said.

"She has weighed very heavy on our hearts, and we had hoped we would be able to find her," Pfeiler said.

All five City Council members attended the Sunday news conference to show support for Amber's family, the mayor said.

"It's a very sad day," said City Councilman Dick Daniels. "It's a nightmare we've finally woken up to that we hoped wouldn't be, but feared would be."

Mourners stopped by Escondido High School and put up makeshift memorials Sunday evening.

School officials Sunday made preparations for a hard day at the school.

Ed Nelson, superintendent of the Escondido High School District, said crisis teams were being readied to provide counseling to adults and students on Monday.

"We will make sure our counselors are prepared to deal with anything that surfaces on any of the campuses," he said. "In light of the King case and now this, the concerns are magnified. What a devastating and tragic end for both families."

At Escondido High, Amber was an enthusiastic member of the Future Farmers of America Club. On the morning she disappeared, she had a $200 check to cover the deposit to obtain a lamb she planned to raise with the club.

Agriculture teacher and FFA sponsor Marc Reyburn said club members have always believed Amber would be found alive, so he wasn't sure how kids would react at school Monday.

"Even when Chelsea King went missing, and then was found, they still had hope," Reyburn said. "'We're going to find Amber; we're going to find Amber,'" he said they'd say.

Amber's best friend, Jade Fidel, was doing "horrible" after she learned the news while watching the live news conference on television, Jade's father, Jeff Fidel, said.

"I was in the other room; I didn't know," he said. "I just heard (Jade) wailing and screaming. How is it they find one girl after two days and one after 14 months?"

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_f498c3d9-201e-525d-821a-6c4a7472e43d.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:39:01 AM
ESCONDIDO: Amber's walk to school went past homes, crowded streets

On a regular day, Amber Dubois' mile walk to Escondido High School was a relatively short trek through her neighborhood of manicured lawns and along usually busy streets.

On Feb. 13, 2009, the 14-year-old freshman vanished at some point between her home and her school.

And on Saturday, one year and three weeks to the day she disappeared, investigators found her skeletal remains in rugged Pala terrain miles away.

Amber lived at the end of a cul-de-sac, Fire Mountain Place, in a two-story house on a steep hill.

The path to school would take her down to Paradise Street, where she would have turned north.

The block-long walk would take her past well-kept homes with small green lawns.

Trees along the curbside on Paradise are too thin to hide behind, but some homes boast tall, thick bushes, potential hiding spots for an ambush.

Paradise Street ends at Vista Way, a wide, busy street where she would have swung left.

The next leg of the walk, to North Broadway, is two-tenths of a mile.

The route goes past the entrance to Calvin Christian High School, a private school.

The landscape is flat, with wide swaths of green lawns on both sides of the street.

There is no place to hide outside, but cars can park along the curb.

At the corner stoplight, Amber would have turned right and headed south on North Broadway for the final half-mile stretch of her walk.

The walk would take her by walled apartment complexes to her right and cars parked along the street on the left, with only a small width of sidewalk.

The final stretch goes past fencing around the school's athletic fields.

Two neighbors told police they spotted her that morning near the driveway to the school district bus barn, just north of the high school.

Had Amber walked 200 more yards past the school's football stadium, police have said, she may have come within view of a security camera mounted on top of the gym.

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/9/90/1fc/9901fc56-2a52-11df-b47c-001cc4c002e0.preview-300.jpg?_dc=1268012009)

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_0cf29cc9-30ea-5aee-a832-b67317090a34.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:42:47 AM
Teen loved reading and animals, large and small

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/amberhorse_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

As a young girl, Amber Dubois would read under her sheets with a flashlight when she should have been sleeping. Later, she would lose herself in books as her teachers taught class around her.

It was the closest she ever came to trouble.

“She was the person who would be caught by the teacher for reading, and the teacher would be like, ‘Put that book away,’ ” said Hailey Kosinski, 15.

Sunday, family, former teachers and close friends shared memories of Amber, the Escondido teenager whose remains were found near Pala in North County more than a year after her disappearance.

She was last seen shortly after 7 a.m. Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School, where she was a 14-year-old freshman. She had planned a happy day, evidenced by the Valentine’s Day gifts she carried for friends and a $200 check to buy a lamb for a National FFA Organization project.

As much as she loved reading, Amber adored animals and the lamb would have been the newest in her beloved menagerie.

She had decided on a French name for the lamb, Annette, after consulting with her paternal grandmother, Eugenie Dubois, who lives in La Mirada. Her father, Moe Dubois, lives in Buena Park.

The walk to campus was less than a mile from where Amber lived with her mother, Carrie McGonigle, her mother’s then-boyfriend, and her little sister, Allison. Along the way, she sent a text message to her other grandmother, Sheila Welch, about the bag of handmade Valentine’s Day gifts she had given 5-year-old Allison.

“She was so excited about going to high school because of the animal husbandry program there,” said Welch, an attorney in Paramount, a Los Angeles suburb.

Amber already owned a horse, Rojo, stabled near Welch’s home. “We were very, very close,” Welch said, “but I think sometimes she came to see Rojo and I was just there anyway.”

Then there was the dog Amber persuaded Welch to adopt. The pup was part of a litter born in the stable, and Amber decided it needed her grandmother’s care because of its deformed tail.

“She named it China,” Welch said.

Dogs, cats, a bird and the occasional guinea pig populated Amber’s life.

Her poetry reflected her love of nature and animals, said Pat Gross, Amber’s eighth-grade English teacher at Rincon Middle School in Escondido. Amber, her mother and sister had moved to Escondido from Los Angeles County before Amber started eighth grade. She had previously attended Nazarene Christian School near Paramount.

“Her poetry was always a nature theme,” Gross said.

“The thing I will remember most about Amber was her sense of wonder,” Gross said. “She was just a charming, bright, inquisitive and somewhat naive young woman with such zest for life.”

A week before she disappeared, Amber had visited Gross and chattered excitedly about the lamb. When Gross reminded her that ultimately, she would be selling it at auction, Amber reacted indignantly, focusing on the nurturing ahead.

When Gross learned Sunday that Amber’s body had been found, she said, “I am deeply, deeply saddened by the news, but also grateful because she can be at peace and maybe her family can find some comfort. But it’s unspeakably tragic.”

Carrie McGibney teaches social studies and had Amber in her class at Rincon. She described the teen as mix of live wire and bookworm. When she wasn’t chattering with friends, Amber would walk the school hallways buried in a book. McGibney would tease her about watching where she was going.

“Even in class, she would be reading a book while I lectured,” McGibney said.

Friends recalled gathering at Amber’s house before their freshman homecoming dance in fall 2008.

They hung out around Amber’s pool before getting ready for the dance.

“She doesn’t get girlie very often,” said Kelly Edward, 15. “But she looked awesome that night.”

Some of the same friends met up for the premiere of the “Twilight” movie and made T-shirts beforehand. While other girls argued over Jacob and Edward, the two main boys from the vampire series, Amber created a T-shirt emblazoned “Team Lestat,” in reference to an older literary vampire.

Amber also loved to draw wolves, dogs and other “cute and cuddly” things in her notebooks, in class notes or on blank printer paper, Hailey said.

She said Amber thought wolves “to be such kind creatures.”

“They’re sort of, I don’t know, you could escape from maybe any sort of mean people.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/teenager-loved-reading-and-her-menagerie-animals-l/


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 10:43:16 AM
Has this boy that a witness that saw Amber walking with, was he ever identified?


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Post by: Lovinlife on March 08, 2010, 10:46:33 AM
Prayers today for the children of Amber's school who have to try to deal with their emotions ::MonkeyAngel:: Amber is now a lamb of God.

Thank you for all your hard work and research in this case and all others, everyone.  I know there is no conciliation prize but you called this one Edward.

Who is this "boy" Amber was walking with, NEVER been identified.  And I'm not buying the whole "Red Truck" explanation!


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2010, 10:46:43 AM
Skeletal remains of Amber Dubois found near Pala Reservation
Posted: March 7, 2010 2:29 pm


... Amber's parents also said that police were slow to respond to what they believed was an important scent trail to the Pala Library picked up by a team of highly trained East Coast search dogs brought in by the family in August.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_24b443c5-8634-598e-a5ff-2bea337f6d73.html


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2010, 10:50:06 AM
2 Missing Teen Cases, 2 Different Police Responses
March 6, 2010


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10028309


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2010, 10:53:14 AM

Over the past 13 months we have gotten to know Amber through her family and those who love her.  We have learned of her passion for wolves.  My son has the same passion for animals, especially those on the endangered list, and wolves are his favorite topic to write about in that category, so I am reminded of her at home.  We know what she likes, we know her character, we know she would never run away, we know she has perfect attendance, and so many other things.  A bright light has gone out in our world that can never be replaced, our history is forever changed by her death.

The one thing that this long period of time before finding her did, is make her better known to us and those who have been searching for her and following her case.  While it is optimal to find your loved one right away, this gave us the opportunity to know, to like, and to love Amber.  It is so hard to believe what has happened to her.  It makes me physically ill and uncontrollably sad. 

Amber's family has been such crusaders for her, that she is well-loved is obvious.  I cannot imagine the pain they are going through, as just knowing her for 13 months has endeared her to my heart, where she will remain.

My deepest sympathy and condolences go to Amber's family and those who love her.  You have courage beyond what anyone could imagine.  God bless you, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers.



Thank you Bearlyhere.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 11:02:39 AM
Has this boy that a witness that saw Amber walking with, was he ever identified?

No he has not.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 11:04:41 AM
Prayers today for the children of Amber's school who have to try to deal with their emotions ::MonkeyAngel:: Amber is now a lamb of God.

Thank you for all your hard work and research in this case and all others, everyone.  I know there is no conciliation prize but you called this one Edward.

Who is this "boy" Amber was walking with, NEVER been identified.  And I'm not buying the whole "Red Truck" explanation!

The red truck explanation I never swallowed either.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 11:04:56 AM
Has this boy that a witness that saw Amber walking with, was he ever identified?

No he has not.
Thank-you


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 11:06:37 AM
Amber's Mother 'Crushed' by News

A vigil is planned Monday night to remember Amber Dubois, the Escondido teenager who disappeared more than a year ago and whose body were found over the weekend.

Skeletal remains found on the Pala Reservation east of Interstate 15 and bisected by state route 76 have been positively identified as Amber, according to Escondido police.

Amber's parents, Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, thanked supporters and searchers after the discovery was announced  Sunday. Privately, Maurice Dubois said that the number one thing that he wants to do now is to change the laws when it comes to sexual predators.

Amber’s mother was described as “absolutely crushed.” She had hope that her daughter would be found alive. McGonigle said that she had believed in her heart her daughter was still alive. It was that hope that was the driving force behind the months and months of searching for her.

Amber Dubois' grandmother, Sheila Welch, released a statement Sunday, "Her loss dims life as we know it and words cannot express the depth of our anguish."

"Beloved Amber. You will forever be in our hearts as a flame of love that burns eternal," Welch wrote.

Escondido police and San Diego County Sheriff's investigators were following a lead in the case when they made this discovery, according to Chief Jim Maher.

Media packed the briefing room at the Escondido police department on West Grand Avenue at 3:30 p.m. Sunday after news leaked that there had been a major development in the case.

Amber's parents, Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle approached the podium but only her father spoke. He thanked the volunteers and members of the community who helped in the search efforts. "They were the most dedicated people you could imagine," he said. "Without them we couldn't have done anything."  Amber's mother did not speak at the news conference.

Amber was last seen just after 7 a.m. Friday, Feb. 13, 2009 about a block from Escondido High. She was 14-years old at the time.

In late February, Poway teenager Chelsea King's disappearance launched an extensive search in the area around Lake Hodges with officers from multiple agencies. A body was found along the southern edge of the lake and a registered sex offender was charged with murder and rape in Chelsea's death.

John Albert Gardner III pleaded not guilty in the rape and slaying of 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Escondido police would not answer questions Sunday about the discovery and any potential suspects in the case, explaining that it was an ongoing investigation.

Many might wonder if it was Gardner who led investigators to the Pala location, after working out some kind of deal with prosecutors.

Former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst said it's possible. "In this case, the most likely consideration that a district attorney would offer a suspect in return for information for the whereabouts of Amber's body would be to strike the death penalty and have him plead guilty to life without parole," Pfingst said Sunday.

Gardner's murder charge in the King case has a special circumstance which does make him eligible for the death penalty.

The King family released a statement Sunday on Chelsea's Light Facebook page, "Chelsea's light is grieving not only for Chelsea, but for beautiful Amber DuBois, whose remains were discovered today. Our hearts and love go out to the DuBois family."

The vigil to remember Amber Dubois is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. at Escondido High School.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Vigil-to-Remember-Amber-Dubois-86872742.html


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Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 11:06:43 AM
I just thought of something, JAG worked construction.  Pala Casino has had ongoing contruction and expansion for years.  The casino is near where Amber was found:

http://www.nctimes.com/business/article_2b709097-896b-5fe1-a002-edd51e50b04f.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 11:09:35 AM
Here is the red truck for the monkey that was looking for it

http://www.youtube.com/v/3ir2NQLNt5g&hl=en_US&fs=1&


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 11:13:31 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w71/Lilly1963/Wolves.jpg)


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 11:14:42 AM
Here is the red truck for the monkey that was looking for it

http://www.youtube.com/v/3ir2NQLNt5g&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Thank-you, I remember when that was released.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 11:19:51 AM
The Grieving Process (video)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/videobeta/97ad8b8e-67c2-44f1-8e36-c42569978db6/News/The-Grieving-Process


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w71/Lilly1963/Wolves.jpg)

That is beautiful


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Post by: bananas on March 08, 2010, 11:25:41 AM
God Bless Amber... we will not forget...


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 11:26:46 AM
Teen loved reading and animals, large and small

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/amberhorse_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

As a young girl, Amber Dubois would read under her sheets with a flashlight when she should have been sleeping. Later, she would lose herself in books as her teachers taught class around her.

It was the closest she ever came to trouble.

“She was the person who would be caught by the teacher for reading, and the teacher would be like, ‘Put that book away,’ ” said Hailey Kosinski, 15.

Sunday, family, former teachers and close friends shared memories of Amber, the Escondido teenager whose remains were found near Pala in North County more than a year after her disappearance.

She was last seen shortly after 7 a.m. Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School, where she was a 14-year-old freshman. She had planned a happy day, evidenced by the Valentine’s Day gifts she carried for friends and a $200 check to buy a lamb for a National FFA Organization project.

As much as she loved reading, Amber adored animals and the lamb would have been the newest in her beloved menagerie.

She had decided on a French name for the lamb, Annette, after consulting with her paternal grandmother, Eugenie Dubois, who lives in La Mirada. Her father, Moe Dubois, lives in Buena Park.

The walk to campus was less than a mile from where Amber lived with her mother, Carrie McGonigle, her mother’s then-boyfriend, and her little sister, Allison. Along the way, she sent a text message to her other grandmother, Sheila Welch, about the bag of handmade Valentine’s Day gifts she had given 5-year-old Allison.

“She was so excited about going to high school because of the animal husbandry program there,” said Welch, an attorney in Paramount, a Los Angeles suburb.

Amber already owned a horse, Rojo, stabled near Welch’s home. “We were very, very close,” Welch said, “but I think sometimes she came to see Rojo and I was just there anyway.”

Then there was the dog Amber persuaded Welch to adopt. The pup was part of a litter born in the stable, and Amber decided it needed her grandmother’s care because of its deformed tail.

“She named it China,” Welch said.

Dogs, cats, a bird and the occasional guinea pig populated Amber’s life.

Her poetry reflected her love of nature and animals, said Pat Gross, Amber’s eighth-grade English teacher at Rincon Middle School in Escondido. Amber, her mother and sister had moved to Escondido from Los Angeles County before Amber started eighth grade. She had previously attended Nazarene Christian School near Paramount.

“Her poetry was always a nature theme,” Gross said.

“The thing I will remember most about Amber was her sense of wonder,” Gross said. “She was just a charming, bright, inquisitive and somewhat naive young woman with such zest for life.”

A week before she disappeared, Amber had visited Gross and chattered excitedly about the lamb. When Gross reminded her that ultimately, she would be selling it at auction, Amber reacted indignantly, focusing on the nurturing ahead.

When Gross learned Sunday that Amber’s body had been found, she said, “I am deeply, deeply saddened by the news, but also grateful because she can be at peace and maybe her family can find some comfort. But it’s unspeakably tragic.”

Carrie McGibney teaches social studies and had Amber in her class at Rincon. She described the teen as mix of live wire and bookworm. When she wasn’t chattering with friends, Amber would walk the school hallways buried in a book. McGibney would tease her about watching where she was going.

“Even in class, she would be reading a book while I lectured,” McGibney said.

Friends recalled gathering at Amber’s house before their freshman homecoming dance in fall 2008.

They hung out around Amber’s pool before getting ready for the dance.

“She doesn’t get girlie very often,” said Kelly Edward, 15. “But she looked awesome that night.”

Some of the same friends met up for the premiere of the “Twilight” movie and made T-shirts beforehand. While other girls argued over Jacob and Edward, the two main boys from the vampire series, Amber created a T-shirt emblazoned “Team Lestat,” in reference to an older literary vampire.

Amber also loved to draw wolves, dogs and other “cute and cuddly” things in her notebooks, in class notes or on blank printer paper, Hailey said.

She said Amber thought wolves “to be such kind creatures.”

“They’re sort of, I don’t know, you could escape from maybe any sort of mean people.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/teenager-loved-reading-and-her-menagerie-animals-l/

Amber reminds me so much of my own 14 year old daughter.. It is a heartbreaking reality to have A


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
Frick... My big fingers hit the wrong key.. and it posted.


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 11:30:43 AM
“We’ve spent a lot of time in the past year, working that canyon,” Garcia said. “You put yourself in the mindset of someone who would perpetrate this crime, and all the indicators point in that direction. It’s no mystery to me that’s where she was found.”




True..
All our research showed this to me.


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 11:41:38 AM
Good Morning Monks. I heard about finding Amber yesterday on the news. I have been under the weather for several days but wanted to thank everyone for all the updates, maps and photos. And offer my sincere condolences to Amber's family and all who love her.

I am really curious as to how they really found her. So many conflicting statements, makes me think the truth has not yet been revealed.   I do feel JAG is responsible though.  I also got caught up on the Kevin O'Reilly thread............eeewwwwwwwwwww some NASTY people.


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Post by: cookie on March 08, 2010, 11:47:26 AM
Good Morning Monks. I heard about finding Amber yesterday on the news. I have been under the weather for several days but wanted to thank everyone for all the updates, maps and photos. And offer my sincere condolences to Amber's family and all who love her.

I am really curious as to how they really found her. So many conflicting statements, makes me think the truth has not yet been revealed.   I do feel JAG is responsible though.  I also got caught up on the Kevin O'Reilly thread............eeewwwwwwwwwww some NASTY people.

Hi Sunny..feeling better?
I agree, I think that JAG is responsible for Amber's death as well..


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Post by: AZSunny on March 08, 2010, 11:50:07 AM
What time today is the second news conference scheduled?


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 12:03:59 PM
I can tell you where she was found is the exact location that Search and Rescue dogs hit on when Carrie had them brought in from back east. Escondido LE was in charge of that search and decided the dogs had a false scent and cancelled that search in that particular area and had they just went back the next day Amber may have been found in, I think it was August of 2009.



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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
I can tell you where she was found is the exact location that Search and Rescue dogs hit on when Carrie had them brought in from back east. Escondido LE was in charge of that search and decided the dogs had a false scent and cancelled that search in that particular area and had they just went back the next day Amber may have been found in, I think it was August of 2009.


How horrible  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 12:12:20 PM
I was looking at that area around where Amber was found, it seems the only way that you could tell someone would be by some type of landmarks, otherwise I just don't see how you could go back or tell someone about a particular area. Rather treacherous and a lot of the land looks the same.


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 12:14:04 PM
Heartwrenching situation.. But the family has Amber now.
That is the only thing that matters at the moment.

Tonight at Escondido high school and a memorial planned for 27th of March for the family.

 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 12:15:44 PM
What time today is the second news conference scheduled?

Nothing has been said for time yet.


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Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 08, 2010, 12:17:32 PM
What time today is the second news conference scheduled?

Nothing has been said for time yet.
Thank you NoRose - I am peeking in and out from work and hope to catch the press conference.  Hello monkeys.


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Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 08, 2010, 12:18:27 PM
What time today is the second news conference scheduled?

Nothing has been said for time yet.
Thank you NoRose - I am peeking in and out from work and hope to catch the press conference.  Hello monkeys.
O Sheeesh I meant Northern Rose - sorry about that - my head is in a fog over such sadness this past week.


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 12:42:44 PM
I can tell you where she was found is the exact location that Search and Rescue dogs hit on when Carrie had them brought in from back east. Escondido LE was in charge of that search and decided the dogs had a false scent and cancelled that search in that particular area and had they just went back the next day Amber may have been found in, I think it was August of 2009.

I can't even think of a response to what I bolded in your post............... ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 12:53:01 PM
Teen loved reading and animals, large and small

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/amberhorse_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

As a young girl, Amber Dubois would read under her sheets with a flashlight when she should have been sleeping. Later, she would lose herself in books as her teachers taught class around her.

It was the closest she ever came to trouble.

“She was the person who would be caught by the teacher for reading, and the teacher would be like, ‘Put that book away,’ ” said Hailey Kosinski, 15.

Sunday, family, former teachers and close friends shared memories of Amber, the Escondido teenager whose remains were found near Pala in North County more than a year after her disappearance.

She was last seen shortly after 7 a.m. Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School, where she was a 14-year-old freshman. She had planned a happy day, evidenced by the Valentine’s Day gifts she carried for friends and a $200 check to buy a lamb for a National FFA Organization project.

As much as she loved reading, Amber adored animals and the lamb would have been the newest in her beloved menagerie.

She had decided on a French name for the lamb, Annette, after consulting with her paternal grandmother, Eugenie Dubois, who lives in La Mirada. Her father, Moe Dubois, lives in Buena Park.

The walk to campus was less than a mile from where Amber lived with her mother, Carrie McGonigle, her mother’s then-boyfriend, and her little sister, Allison. Along the way, she sent a text message to her other grandmother, Sheila Welch, about the bag of handmade Valentine’s Day gifts she had given 5-year-old Allison.

“She was so excited about going to high school because of the animal husbandry program there,” said Welch, an attorney in Paramount, a Los Angeles suburb.

Amber already owned a horse, Rojo, stabled near Welch’s home. “We were very, very close,” Welch said, “but I think sometimes she came to see Rojo and I was just there anyway.”

Then there was the dog Amber persuaded Welch to adopt. The pup was part of a litter born in the stable, and Amber decided it needed her grandmother’s care because of its deformed tail.

“She named it China,” Welch said.

Dogs, cats, a bird and the occasional guinea pig populated Amber’s life.

Her poetry reflected her love of nature and animals, said Pat Gross, Amber’s eighth-grade English teacher at Rincon Middle School in Escondido. Amber, her mother and sister had moved to Escondido from Los Angeles County before Amber started eighth grade. She had previously attended Nazarene Christian School near Paramount.

“Her poetry was always a nature theme,” Gross said.

“The thing I will remember most about Amber was her sense of wonder,” Gross said. “She was just a charming, bright, inquisitive and somewhat naive young woman with such zest for life.”

A week before she disappeared, Amber had visited Gross and chattered excitedly about the lamb. When Gross reminded her that ultimately, she would be selling it at auction, Amber reacted indignantly, focusing on the nurturing ahead.

When Gross learned Sunday that Amber’s body had been found, she said, “I am deeply, deeply saddened by the news, but also grateful because she can be at peace and maybe her family can find some comfort. But it’s unspeakably tragic.”

Carrie McGibney teaches social studies and had Amber in her class at Rincon. She described the teen as mix of live wire and bookworm. When she wasn’t chattering with friends, Amber would walk the school hallways buried in a book. McGibney would tease her about watching where she was going.

“Even in class, she would be reading a book while I lectured,” McGibney said.

Friends recalled gathering at Amber’s house before their freshman homecoming dance in fall 2008.

They hung out around Amber’s pool before getting ready for the dance.

“She doesn’t get girlie very often,” said Kelly Edward, 15. “But she looked awesome that night.”

Some of the same friends met up for the premiere of the “Twilight” movie and made T-shirts beforehand. While other girls argued over Jacob and Edward, the two main boys from the vampire series, Amber created a T-shirt emblazoned “Team Lestat,” in reference to an older literary vampire.

Amber also loved to draw wolves, dogs and other “cute and cuddly” things in her notebooks, in class notes or on blank printer paper, Hailey said.

She said Amber thought wolves “to be such kind creatures.”

“They’re sort of, I don’t know, you could escape from maybe any sort of mean people.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/teenager-loved-reading-and-her-menagerie-animals-l/

Escondido police need to explain why, when given the above information about Amber, jumped to the ridicules assumption she ran away? Nothing I have ever read or been told about Amber would lead someone to seriously believe she was a runaway.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 12:54:46 PM
When I zoom in at the intersection where the police cars sat in the picture at Pala-Temecula Rd and Arourba Rd I noticed there is something in white chalk written on the road.  Can anyone make this out?  Is it construction markings or hash group markings?



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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 12:56:18 PM
I can tell you where she was found is the exact location that Search and Rescue dogs hit on when Carrie had them brought in from back east. Escondido LE was in charge of that search and decided the dogs had a false scent and cancelled that search in that particular area and had they just went back the next day Amber may have been found in, I think it was August of 2009.

I can't even think of a response to what I bolded in your post............... ::MonkeyMad::

I think this goes back to the assumption they had that Amber ranaway, they also need to explain why they canceled the search. Maybe this is why there is not a press conference schedule yet, maybe they are trying to get their ducks in a row or cover their tracks.


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Post by: AZSunny on March 08, 2010, 12:59:20 PM
I can tell you where she was found is the exact location that Search and Rescue dogs hit on when Carrie had them brought in from back east. Escondido LE was in charge of that search and decided the dogs had a false scent and cancelled that search in that particular area and had they just went back the next day Amber may have been found in, I think it was August of 2009.

I can't even think of a response to what I bolded in your post............... ::MonkeyMad::

I think this goes back to the assumption they had that Amber ranaway, they also need to explain why they canceled the search. Maybe this is why there is not a press conference schedule yet, maybe they are trying to get their ducks in a row or cover their tracks.

This just makes me livid!  How dare they do this to her family?


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Post by: AZSunny on March 08, 2010, 01:01:23 PM
When I zoom in at the intersection where the police cars sat in the picture at Pala-Temecula Rd and Arourba Rd I noticed there is something in white chalk written on the road.  Can anyone make this out?  Is it construction markings or hash group markings?



I can't tell..it says USA I think..with some other writing.  Can you turn it upside down?  There also appears to be a for sale sign.  Does this indicate it is NOT on Indian land? 


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Post by: NCMike on March 08, 2010, 01:03:12 PM
When I zoom in at the intersection where the police cars sat in the picture at Pala-Temecula Rd and Arourba Rd I noticed there is something in white chalk written on the road.  Can anyone make this out?  Is it construction markings or hash group markings?



NR, what date is your google image?  This is all very interesting, especially if that is hash group markings.  There was picture posted earlier in the thread with on lookers at this location and the writing is not there.  Very interesting if the google image was taken last year.






























































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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 01:03:44 PM
I can tell you where she was found is the exact location that Search and Rescue dogs hit on when Carrie had them brought in from back east. Escondido LE was in charge of that search and decided the dogs had a false scent and cancelled that search in that particular area and had they just went back the next day Amber may have been found in, I think it was August of 2009.

I can't even think of a response to what I bolded in your post............... ::MonkeyMad::

I think this goes back to the assumption they had that Amber ranaway, they also need to explain why they canceled the search. Maybe this is why there is not a press conference schedule yet, maybe they are trying to get their ducks in a row or cover their tracks.
How anyone could have possibly thought Amber ran away is beyond me.


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Post by: Samantha on March 08, 2010, 01:04:33 PM
When I zoom in at the intersection where the police cars sat in the picture at Pala-Temecula Rd and Arourba Rd I noticed there is something in white chalk written on the road.  Can anyone make this out?  Is it construction markings or hash group markings?



Played around with the contrast of the photo and rotated to read easier.

On one side of the arrow it looks like "TOP" with "Hill" underneath that
On the other side it looks like "USA" - I don't know whats underneath USA.. I think I see an "N" .. it kinda looks like "No" 

Reminds me of construction markings..

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/670503/road_contrast.jpg)


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 01:07:20 PM
I think it says, usa temec hwy no I think it is writing from a street/hwy crew


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:18:57 PM
When I zoom in at the intersection where the police cars sat in the picture at Pala-Temecula Rd and Arourba Rd I noticed there is something in white chalk written on the road.  Can anyone make this out?  Is it construction markings or hash group markings?



NR, what date is your google image?  This is all very interesting, especially if that is hash group markings.  There was picture posted earlier in the thread with on lookers at this location and the writing is not there.  Very interesting if the google image was taken last year.

Quote

I got them from Google Earth and the picture only says 2009. 


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Post by: AZSunny on March 08, 2010, 01:21:29 PM
I think it says, usa temec hwy no I think it is writing from a street/hwy crew

It looks like street crew writing to me also.   


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
I just want to say again to our research teams at Scared Monkeys , Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee that All of you did a wondeful thing for this family and I know "because I am here" that you do this for many family's of the missing.

It is an honor to share the field of battle with all of you for such a noble cause.

Thank You


 


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 01:23:21 PM
Can one of the powerful monkeys please delete post 850
T/Y

Done.  YW Edward.  Powerful?  Not really.  That would be Klaasend  ::rhino::  MB


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Post by: cookie on March 08, 2010, 01:23:40 PM
I just want to say again to our research teams at Scared Monkeys , Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee that All of you did a wondeful thing for this family and I know "because I am here" that you do this for many family's of the missing.

It is an honor to share the field of battle with all of you for such a noble cause.

Thank You


 

I second that sentiment Edward...and thanks to you for all that you do as well...


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:28:41 PM
I just want to say again to our research teams at Scared Monkeys , Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee that All of you did a wondeful thing for this family and I know "because I am here" that you do this for many family's of the missing.

It is an honor to share the field of battle with all of you for such a noble cause.

Thank You

 

yes THANK YOU!!  Edward - you have been the rock for Amber here and deserve a huge amount of recogonition.   ::MonkeyHeart::


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 08, 2010, 01:33:04 PM
I just want to say again to our research teams at Scared Monkeys , Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee that All of you did a wondeful thing for this family and I know "because I am here" that you do this for many family's of the missing.

It is an honor to share the field of battle with all of you for such a noble cause.

Thank You

 

yes THANK YOU!!  Edward - you have been the rock for Amber here and deserve a huge amount of recogonition.   ::MonkeyHeart::

ITA   ::MonkeyHeart::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
So many wonderful people on this forum and another that I frequent that have done such a great job. I'm sure Amber's family appreciate all of your hard work.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
Amber Dubois' remains found
Police say discovery near Pala ends 13-month search for Escondido teen

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/rabbinical_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

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The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission — the same area where the remains of 7-year-old Leticia Hernandez were discovered 15 months after she disappeared from her Oceanside home in 1989.

<snipped>

In the Amber case Sunday night, Escondido police had perimeter tape set up west of Pala Temecula Road.

Pala Creek runs to the east of it.


(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/07/ambermap_t200.jpg?39712786e4cb1cbb07eb37efc554bfcda7e0e9b8)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/site-ambers-remains-north-pala-mission/


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Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 08, 2010, 01:35:51 PM
I just want to say again to our research teams at Scared Monkeys , Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee that All of you did a wondeful thing for this family and I know "because I am here" that you do this for many family's of the missing.

It is an honor to share the field of battle with all of you for such a noble cause.

Thank You


 
::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:36:10 PM
King parents console family of other dead teen

ESCONDIDO, Calif.—The parents of Chelsea King are consoling the parents of another teen found dead in San Diego County.
The remains of 14-year-old Amber Dubois were found Saturday, four days after the presumed body of the 17-year-old King was discovered in a shallow grave.

King's parents issued a statement Monday saying they spoke with Amber's family and share their "indescribable grief."

Amber vanished last year while walking to Escondido High School. On Monday, the school brought in extra counselors to help students cope with news that her bones had been found.

King vanished last month after running in a wilderness park about 10 miles away from where Amber disappeared.

John Albert Gardner III is charged with murdering King and is being investigated for any links to Amber's death.

http://**/nation-world/ci_14632960


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Post by: Edward on March 08, 2010, 01:37:50 PM
http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=4848395&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:39:09 PM
Should Repeat Sex Offenders Like John Gardener be Castrated? (Video)

I was watching "The View" this morning, which I rarely do, but Joyce Behr, enraged at  John Gardener's murder of Chelsea King, called for his castration.  I'm for it.  A repeat sex offender who has not only raped repeatedly but murdered and has an appetite for little girls in my mind, castration is too kind.

I realize the idea is power, but at least it removes a weapon from his arsenal. John Gardener III,  just murdered allegedly of course, and may be responsible for the missing Amber Dubois.  Perhaps, Joyce Behr is on to something.  Maybe faced with castration John Gardener may talk if he is involved with the missing Amber Dubois.

The image of John Gardener smiling ten years ago after raping a thirteen year old girl is enough to convince me that Joyce Behr is right at least in this case.

This guy is deserving of castration if anyone is.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978090435


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:40:15 PM
Is Amber Dubois' Murder Related to Chelsea King's Murder?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20000145-504083.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 01:47:08 PM

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission — the same area where the remains of 7-year-old Leticia Hernandez were discovered 15 months after she disappeared from her Oceanside home in 1989.     I keep seeing this, I'm sorry to say that I wasn't familiar with this little girl's death. I did read this morning about it, and since nobody was arrested, is there any possibility that the same person could be involved? Just striking to me that Amber was also found in the same area. I'm sure not, just a thought.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:51:38 PM
Escondido classmates mourn Amber Dubois

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/flowers_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/rabbinical_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

Tears mingled with raindrops outside Escondido High School Monday morning as students returned for class, a day after learning classmate Amber Dubois’ remains were discovered in Pala.

Students left flowers, cards and lighted candles at a banner calling for Amber’s safe return outside the school’s gates and signed a memory book, the ink running as the sodden skies soaked the pages.

“She was just one of the sweetest people I knew,” said Hailey Kosinski, a sophomore and Amber’s friend. “It’s horrible this happened to her.”

Amber, a 14-year-old freshman, had been missing for 13 months after she vanished while walking to school in February 2009. The search for her ended Saturday, when her remains were found in a remote area of Pala, in rural North County.

“When we heard we all broke down and we cried and cried and cried,” Hailey said. Asked about her grief, Hailey, who said Amber was one of her lunchtime companions, said,” It’s something that can’t be put into words.”

The search for Amber gained momentum after Chelsea King, a 17-year-old Poway High School student, disappeared Feb. 25. Chelsea’s remains were found Tuesday in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges.

John Albert Gardner, 30, has been charged in Chelsea’s rape and killing and police are investigating whether he played any role in Amber’s disappearance.

Escondido high school district spokeswoman Karyl O’Brien said the school has brought in crisis counselors to help students in their grief. She said many teachers and staff members are also affected, and will meet after school to support each other.

She said teachers also are aware to watch for students who may need help during the day and to refer them to counselors.

Escondido High School Principal Rich Watkins said in a statement the school staff appreciated the support of the community and police in helping search for Amber over the past year. The school was a hub for search and communication efforts.

“Our hearts go out to her family and friends, and it is a loss for our school and community,” Watkins said. He also praised the Escondido police.

“They interviewed hundreds of students this school year in an effort to find Amber. They never stopped looking,” he said.

O’Brien said the school may host a vigil this evening, but plans are still tentative.

Renee Harter, a ninth-grader, said, while Amber’s discovery brings closure for her family, “We were always hoping it was going to end in good news.”

Renee said Amber’s disappearance affected students in many ways.

“I’m a little more aware now,” Renee said. “I always get a ride to school so I don’t have to worry, but it always makes you a little more alert.”

Cards left at the banner for Amber, which has now become a makeshift memorial, expressed the feelings of many.

“Dear Amber — You’re in a much better place now. May you rest in peace,” one read.

Another, addressed to her family, said, “May memories bring comfort.”

Mark Rantz, an Escondido resident and rabbinical intern, stopped at the school to say a prayer.

“I prayed the mourner’s kaddish,” said Rantz, describing it as a prayer of grief, and a prayer to celebrate the life God gave everyone.

“I can’t imagine the horror (the family’s) or the horror of the King family,” Rantz said. “We carry the kids in our heart.”



http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/amber-dubois-classmates-escondido-high-school/


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:53:23 PM
Chelsea King's parents express sorrow over Amber

Kelly and Brent King, Chelsea King’s parents, released the following brief statement Monday morning.

“We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness. We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life.”

A spokeswoman for the family said the Kings will not be speaking publicly again until Saturday’s memorial celebration scheduled for 2 p.m. at the Poway High School football field.

The family has also set up a post office box where people can send notes and letters to the King family.

The address is:

Chelsea’s Light

12463 Rancho Bernardo Rd., #519

San Diego, CA 92128-2143

Arrangements for the memorial celebration are still coming together.

“The hard work of volunteers, business owners and support from the community has truly honored Chelsea and will assure an amazing celebration of her life and light,” stated a message on the family’s Facebook page, Chelsea’s Light.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/chelsea-kings-parents-express-sorrow-over-amber/


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 01:54:14 PM
  Prayers for all of Amber's school mates. I can't even imagine something so terrible happening to someone you went to school with. What beautiful flowers the children are putting by Amber's picture  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 01:55:31 PM
Chelsea King's parents express sorrow over Amber

Kelly and Brent King, Chelsea King’s parents, released the following brief statement Monday morning.

“We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness. We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life.”

A spokeswoman for the family said the Kings will not be speaking publicly again until Saturday’s memorial celebration scheduled for 2 p.m. at the Poway High School football field.

The family has also set up a post office box where people can send notes and letters to the King family.

The address is:

Chelsea’s Light

12463 Rancho Bernardo Rd., #519

San Diego, CA 92128-2143

Arrangements for the memorial celebration are still coming together.

“The hard work of volunteers, business owners and support from the community has truly honored Chelsea and will assure an amazing celebration of her life and light,” stated a message on the family’s Facebook page, Chelsea’s Light.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/chelsea-kings-parents-express-sorrow-over-amber/
Two very wonderful families  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:56:56 PM
America's Most Wanted host speaks about Amber

The Amber Dubois case has received national media attention and the host of 'America's Most Wanted' believes there's a link to the Poway teen, Chelsea King, murder case.

John Walsh of 'America's Most Wanted' (AMW) believes that John Albert Gardner III, the known sex offender arrested in connection with the murder of Chelsea King, could be responsible for Amber Dubois disappearance.

The teenager from Escondido was featured on the hit TV show AMW in February 2010 and August 2009.

Walsh said, "He probably had something to do I say...he's the guy that probably took Amber Dubois."

He also said believes Gardner should have never been released from jail.

"He [Gardner] should have been stopped on the first rape that they're accusing him with. Not out there until they got little Chelsea King and murdered her so it makes people angry. It makes me angry. That's why we still try to change things," Walsh explained.

Walsh is using his television platform to push for tougher laws against sex offenders.

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-john-walsh,0,6202589.story


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 01:59:03 PM
Private Investigator Bill Garcia on the Link Between Amber and Chelsea (video)

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/bfcefb05-2d10-403c-ab70-93b0da3d34b9/News/Private-Investigator-Bill-Garcia-On-Link-Between-Amber-And-Chelsea


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Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
May not have any importance but I thought that since it is such a rural area this may be why the "tipster" was able to give the exact location of Amber. Last night I came across a San Diego county map of Pala. On the map, Arouba Rd is labeled with a location of a "Emergency Gate" where it meets the main road.

I am looking for that map again but can not seem to find it. I will keep looking.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 02:02:48 PM
Chelsea King's parents express sorrow over Amber

Kelly and Brent King, Chelsea King’s parents, released the following brief statement Monday morning.

“We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness. We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life.”

A spokeswoman for the family said the Kings will not be speaking publicly again until Saturday’s memorial celebration scheduled for 2 p.m. at the Poway High School football field.

The family has also set up a post office box where people can send notes and letters to the King family.

The address is:

Chelsea’s Light

12463 Rancho Bernardo Rd., #519

San Diego, CA 92128-2143

Arrangements for the memorial celebration are still coming together.

“The hard work of volunteers, business owners and support from the community has truly honored Chelsea and will assure an amazing celebration of her life and light,” stated a message on the family’s Facebook page, Chelsea’s Light.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/chelsea-kings-parents-express-sorrow-over-amber/
Two very wonderful families  ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope that Amber's family will also post an address for notes and cards. Maybe someone who has contact could ask?


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Post by: Lovinlife on March 08, 2010, 02:03:39 PM
Thank you Northern Rose for bringing all the latest news updates.  I try, but my fingers don't want to type.  I sit here just...numb. ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:07:21 PM
Vigil at high school will honor Amber

ESCONDIDO, Calif. - A candlelight vigil will be held tonight at Escondido High School for 14-year-old Amber Dubois, whose skeletal remains were found on the Pala Indian Reservation more than a year after she disappeared while walking to the school.

Escondido High Principal Rich Watkins said extra counselors would be at the school Monday to help student deal with their emotions.

"Many of our students and staff have dealing with this for the last 13 months, so this news has been difficult to hear," he said. "Amber's been lost to us, but she'll live on in the memories of our staff and students as we try to move forward in this difficult time."

The vigil at the school was set to begin at 6:30 p.m.

Despite a prolonged search by law enforcement, her family and volunteers since she disappeared, Amber's body was not found until Saturday. The discovery was made in the early morning hours, in a very rugged and remote section of Pala,'' Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said at a news conference.

Pala is in northern San Diego County, about 25 miles from Escondido. Amber's body was found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission. It was the same area where the remains of 7-year-old Leticia Hernandez was found 15 months after she disappeared from her Oceanside home in 1989, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

Maher said detectives were following a lead when Amber's body was found.

The remains were identified by using dental records, Maher said. Amber's parents were notified in person by investigators Saturday night.

Maher did not take questions because of the ongoing investigation.

Because Maher did not take questions, the source of the tip or any possible role played by Gardner was unclear. But Bill Garcia, a private investigator hired by Amber's family shortly after she disappeared, told FOX5 News he was told by a person with firsthand knowledge of the case that the tip about the location did not come from Gardner.

The entire Chelsea King event emotionally pulled at somebody who had this information,'' Garcia told the newspaper. They've seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.''

Amber's father, Maurice Dubois, took a moment to thank everyone in the search for Amber, especially the hundreds of volunteers who looked for the girl every weekend for much of last year.

They were the most dedicated people you could ever imagine,'' Maurice Dubois said. Without them, we couldn't have done anything.''

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-amber-memorial,0,6846676.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 02:09:17 PM
Private Investigator Bill Garcia on the Link Between Amber and Chelsea (video)

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/bfcefb05-2d10-403c-ab70-93b0da3d34b9/News/Private-Investigator-Bill-Garcia-On-Link-Between-Amber-And-Chelsea
Thank-you, that was informative.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:10:07 PM
Investigators comb area where bones found

PALA, Calif. - A locked steel gate separates the public roadway from the area where Amber Dubois's skeletal remains were discovered Saturday in Pala. Beyond the gate is a private road where the investigation continues for any clues to who is responsible.

Investigators identified her remains Sunday afternoon in a press conference in Escondido, but wouldn't give any additional details about how they found them or what lead them in this direction.

The area that's blocked off by police tape sits on a winding road just five miles north of the Pala Casino. Sheriff's deputies at the scene described the area as a remote and desolate part in the outskirts of San Diego County.

The community has been following the missing Escondido teen's case from the day she disappeared February 13th, 2009. Some people even made their way to the crime scene.

"We want to show the area where Amber's remains were found," Stacey Humphrey said as she stood near the scene where authorities discovered the skeletal remains of Amber. "Sheriff's deputies have put up this yellow tape and it's down this private road in a rural and desolate area where Amber's skeletal remains were found."

Dave Linstrom expressed his feelings, "Ughhhh, I kinda feel sick about it you know I was just hoping she was still alive, you know you just keep it in the back of your head."

"It's good for the mom, the dad and the grandma and everybody involved to be able to put it to rest. It's terrible; but to live with the unknown I think would be worse."

The deputies at the Pala scene told Fox 5 News that they are expected to be investigating the area through Monday.

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-amber-dubois-pala-scene-sunday,0,7124263.story


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
Location of Amber's remains (video)

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/73db9686-ded9-4de8-b39a-9ea731a15257/News/Location-of-Amber-s-remains


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:14:51 PM
Timeline search for Amber Dubois (video)

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/b5374718-ba6d-425d-91e9-89e52c26f2a7/News/Timeline-search-for-Amber-Dubois


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:16:25 PM
Local business react to discovery of Amber (video)


http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/22491cad-7870-4fc2-8f4a-561c05b0ef1b/News/Local-business-react-to-discovery-of-Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 08, 2010, 02:23:53 PM
Chelsea King's parents express sorrow over Amber

Kelly and Brent King, Chelsea King’s parents, released the following brief statement Monday morning.

“We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness. We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life.”

A spokeswoman for the family said the Kings will not be speaking publicly again until Saturday’s memorial celebration scheduled for 2 p.m. at the Poway High School football field.

The family has also set up a post office box where people can send notes and letters to the King family.

The address is:

Chelsea’s Light

12463 Rancho Bernardo Rd., #519

San Diego, CA 92128-2143

Arrangements for the memorial celebration are still coming together.

“The hard work of volunteers, business owners and support from the community has truly honored Chelsea and will assure an amazing celebration of her life and light,” stated a message on the family’s Facebook page, Chelsea’s Light.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/chelsea-kings-parents-express-sorrow-over-amber/
Two very wonderful families  ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope that Amber's family will also post an address for notes and cards. Maybe someone who has contact could ask?

Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust
PO Box 1557
Paramount CA  90723

Thank you all....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 02:27:48 PM
Is this the same casino that the 2 teenaged girls used a phone or whatever and they are missing?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:28:25 PM
'We Just Cried and Cried and Cried'

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/410*307/Amber-friend-blurb.jpg)

Amber Dubois' friends are mourning the loss of "one of the nicest people" they ever met, they said on Monday.

The news that Amber’s remains were found over the weekend in remote North County was especially difficult for students at Escondido High School, which the 14-year-old was attending as a freshman when she went missing on Feb. 13, 2009.

On Monday, grief counselors were on hand at the school to help comfort the teenagers dealing with the tragic loss of their classmate and friend.

"Amber's been lost to us, but she'll live on in the memories of our staff and students as we try to move forward during this difficult time of healing," Principal Rich Watkins said.
 
A letter posted at a makeshift memorial outside the school said, "Dear Amber, you're in a much better place now. May you rest in peace.

Huddling under umbrellas, friends of Amber struggled to sign their names on a card in memory of their former classmate.

"She was just one of the sweetest people I knew," said Hailey Kosinsky, who was friend of Amber's. "It's horrible that this happened to her, because ... I mean, there's no reason. She is the nicest person I've ever met in my life: never judged anyone, she was always smiling. All of us, the friends who ... once we heard, we all broke out, and we just cried and cried and cried. There's no way we could stop it. We just loved her so much."

Hailey said that after Chelsea King's body was found, she was afraid that something like this would happen: "I mean, it's been a year, so it just ... reopened old wounds."

She said she didn't know if she would be able to get through the school day.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/We-Just-Cried-and-Cried-and-Cried-86922552.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:30:13 PM
Chelsea King's parents express sorrow over Amber

Kelly and Brent King, Chelsea King’s parents, released the following brief statement Monday morning.

“We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness. We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life.”

A spokeswoman for the family said the Kings will not be speaking publicly again until Saturday’s memorial celebration scheduled for 2 p.m. at the Poway High School football field.

The family has also set up a post office box where people can send notes and letters to the King family.

The address is:

Chelsea’s Light

12463 Rancho Bernardo Rd., #519

San Diego, CA 92128-2143

Arrangements for the memorial celebration are still coming together.

“The hard work of volunteers, business owners and support from the community has truly honored Chelsea and will assure an amazing celebration of her life and light,” stated a message on the family’s Facebook page, Chelsea’s Light.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/chelsea-kings-parents-express-sorrow-over-amber/
Two very wonderful families  ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope that Amber's family will also post an address for notes and cards. Maybe someone who has contact could ask?

Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust
PO Box 1557
Paramount CA  90723

Thank you all....

Thank you   ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 02:32:07 PM
Chelsea King's parents express sorrow over Amber

Kelly and Brent King, Chelsea King’s parents, released the following brief statement Monday morning.

“We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness. We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life.”

A spokeswoman for the family said the Kings will not be speaking publicly again until Saturday’s memorial celebration scheduled for 2 p.m. at the Poway High School football field.

The family has also set up a post office box where people can send notes and letters to the King family.

The address is:

Chelsea’s Light

12463 Rancho Bernardo Rd., #519

San Diego, CA 92128-2143

Arrangements for the memorial celebration are still coming together.

“The hard work of volunteers, business owners and support from the community has truly honored Chelsea and will assure an amazing celebration of her life and light,” stated a message on the family’s Facebook page, Chelsea’s Light.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/chelsea-kings-parents-express-sorrow-over-amber/
Two very wonderful families  ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope that Amber's family will also post an address for notes and cards. Maybe someone who has contact could ask?

Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust
PO Box 1557
Paramount CA  90723

Thank you all....

Thank you   ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank-you so much   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 08, 2010, 02:32:46 PM
Is this the same casino that the 2 teenaged girls used a phone or whatever and they are missing?
Are these the girls that you mean Tracygirl?  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6003.0


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 02:37:49 PM
Is this the same casino that the 2 teenaged girls used a phone or whatever and they are missing?
Are these the girls that you mean Tracygirl?  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6003.0

yes and I read they were found safe. Thank you for posting the link.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 08, 2010, 02:40:04 PM
Should Repeat Sex Offenders Like John Gardener be Castrated? (Video)

I was watching "The View" this morning, which I rarely do, but Joyce Behr, enraged at  John Gardener's murder of Chelsea King, called for his castration.  I'm for it.  A repeat sex offender who has not only raped repeatedly but murdered and has an appetite for little girls in my mind, castration is too kind.

I realize the idea is power, but at least it removes a weapon from his arsenal. John Gardener III,  just murdered allegedly of course, and may be responsible for the missing Amber Dubois.  Perhaps, Joyce Behr is on to something.  Maybe faced with castration John Gardener may talk if he is involved with the missing Amber Dubois.

The image of John Gardener smiling ten years ago after raping a thirteen year old girl is enough to convince me that Joyce Behr is right at least in this case.

This guy is deserving of castration if anyone is.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978090435

If they are referring to surgical castration, it won't work. There are so many other 'weapons' (as stated above) that can be used.

If they are referring to chemical castration... it quell's the sex drive of male sex offenders by lowering their testosterone levels, but I have always had my doubts on this form of 'treatment' ...................

Chemical Castration: The Benefits and Disadvantages Intrinsic to Injecting Male Pedophiliacs with Depo-Provera

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1778


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 02:40:06 PM
Ampersand,
Prayers of strength and support to you and your family. If ever you need anything from me, please let me know. I am so very sorry...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 02:44:11 PM
Private Investigator Bill Garcia on the Link Between Amber and Chelsea (video)

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/bfcefb05-2d10-403c-ab70-93b0da3d34b9/News/Private-Investigator-Bill-Garcia-On-Link-Between-Amber-And-Chelsea

thanks NR....interesting to be sure


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 02:46:16 PM
http://www.10news.com/index.html

Picture of scene and my guess where they are.  Not many sharp bends on that road other than this one that I put the X.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
I think I will feel a bit more at ease when I hear confirmation it is John A Gardner III that is suspected of commiting this unspeakable crime. I wonder if he has ties to this area? There is a youth camp there, did he go there as a chil? Was he known to visit the casino? I think you would have to know this area and not just happen upon the gated private road.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
'We Just Cried and Cried and Cried'

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/410*307/Amber-friend-blurb.jpg)

Amber Dubois' friends are mourning the loss of "one of the nicest people" they ever met, they said on Monday.

The news that Amber’s remains were found over the weekend in remote North County was especially difficult for students at Escondido High School, which the 14-year-old was attending as a freshman when she went missing on Feb. 13, 2009.

On Monday, grief counselors were on hand at the school to help comfort the teenagers dealing with the tragic loss of their classmate and friend.

"Amber's been lost to us, but she'll live on in the memories of our staff and students as we try to move forward during this difficult time of healing," Principal Rich Watkins said.
 
A letter posted at a makeshift memorial outside the school said, "Dear Amber, you're in a much better place now. May you rest in peace.

Huddling under umbrellas, friends of Amber struggled to sign their names on a card in memory of their former classmate.

"She was just one of the sweetest people I knew," said Hailey Kosinsky, who was friend of Amber's. "It's horrible that this happened to her, because ... I mean, there's no reason. She is the nicest person I've ever met in my life: never judged anyone, she was always smiling. All of us, the friends who ... once we heard, we all broke out, and we just cried and cried and cried. There's no way we could stop it. We just loved her so much."

Hailey said that after Chelsea King's body was found, she was afraid that something like this would happen: "I mean, it's been a year, so it just ... reopened old wounds."

She said she didn't know if she would be able to get through the school day.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/We-Just-Cried-and-Cried-and-Cried-86922552.html


What a terrible injustice to our children to have to experience this........not only are our children being rape and murdered, but our other children are living this tragedy over and over.  I am an old woman and the only tragic death I experienced as a a child/teen was a friend being hit by a car and passing away. I still remember the pain, the anguish and the shock........which was nothing compared to what our children are exposed to and what memories they will carry. We owe them more than that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 02:57:45 PM
Is this the same casino that the 2 teenaged girls used a phone or whatever and they are missing?
Are these the girls that you mean Tracygirl?  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6003.0

yes and I read they were found safe. Thank you for posting the link.

No that's not the same casino. My mom's ex boss worked there and saw the two girls hop on a taxi at Pechanga Resort and Casino and went to San Bernardino.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 03:00:04 PM
I've been to an indian reservation and you usually have to check in at the security checkpoint before entering the reservation.. you usually have to tell what your purpose is before getting in... I'm not sure but that would make sense that you would have to.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:03:06 PM
Does anyone know what the green tank is that I circled?  Is this why the road is private?  Mind you all the google images show the gate wide open with the for sale sign on the land so not sure how much the gate is really used or how private it is. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:07:39 PM
Ampersand,
Prayers of strength and support to you and your family. If ever you need anything from me, please let me know. I am so very sorry...

Ampersand
Prayers to you and the family.  I am with Tracy in saying that if you ever need anything please do not hesitate to contact me.  I believe you still have my email. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:18:08 PM
Amber Dubois' parents upset with investigator

The parents of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois say they are livid about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared in February 2009.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Monday that neither he nor Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, have spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s skeletal remains were discovered Saturday near Pala.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune he has spoken with someone close to the investigation who said Amber’s remains were found based on a tip that was not generated by John Albert Gardner III, the man now facing murder charges in connection with the death of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

Garcia changed his story when contacted Monday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”


Dubois said law enforcement has not told the family what led investigators to Amber’s remains, nor whether Gardner is a suspect. He also said they have been asked not to talk about the case.

“I wish I could talk to you guys because you’ve been there for us since the beginning,” he said. “But we’re on a gag order.”

Amber’s parents have sought publicity throughout their 13-month ordeal in hopes that one reader or television viewer might be prompted to call police with a tip that could solve the case. Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday night when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and McGonigle were told the news.

“Everything is going to change now for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be much different.”

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning to keep people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, was last seen Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class.

Dubois said he understands law enforcement’s desire to keep facts quiet while the investigation continues.

“They don’t want to jeopardize the investigation and we don’t want that to happen either,” he said.

A candlelight vigil is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday in front of Escondido High School.

Karyl O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the school district, said the event will be held under the archway near the school’s main entrance, at 1535 N. Broadway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/dubois-parents-unhappy-with-private/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Searchers found Amber's skeletal remains early Saturday on the Pala Indian Reservation, a sparsely populated area that occupies more than 12,000 acres in the northeast corner of San Diego County, said Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. The county medical examiner's office confirmed later in the day the remains were Amber's through dental records, he said.
Maher declined to answer questions during a news conference Sunday because he said the discovery was part of an ongoing murder investigation. He said a "lead" brought investigators to the reservation, but he did not elaborate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_teen

Lots more to read here BUT... This was Indian reservation land and Nobody is allowed on it.
Searchers were not allowed to roam this land. It is Severn and separate from the united states of America. when it comes down to chasing the bad guys or doing something like searching for lost and missing people. Only The Elders of the tribe and the U.S. Marshall have jurisdiction. I am not real clear on that law.. But apparently if a crime is committed in Escondido and the culprit runs onto Indian land LE in Escondido have to call a U.S. Marshall to go get the bad guy..
I am not sure how much ass the U.S. Marshall service has to kiss to go there..

Carrie approached Tribal leaders..
jmho
 

I believe you, nobody is supposed to be on that reservation, if someone did go there, I would expect an indian not someone like gardner unless he's crazy, well he's not...who knows............


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 03:21:46 PM
Does anyone know what the green tank is that I circled?  Is this why the road is private?  Mind you all the google images show the gate wide open with the for sale sign on the land so not sure how much the gate is really used or how private it is. 

maybe its the casino or the hotel or both... I think it is that color.. I remember they used to have animals there, like lions, tigers, and my dad would tease them and they got really mad, and the cage was not that strong either...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 08, 2010, 03:24:51 PM
So, William Garcia was just stating his "opinion".  What a jerk.  Media wh@res.  All of them.  IIRC, Edward is not fond of Mr. Garcia.  I can see why. 

Northen Rose, I'm not sure what that green storage tank is for?  ::MonkeyConfused::  It looks like a gasoline tank.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:28:03 PM
Searchers found Amber's skeletal remains early Saturday on the Pala Indian Reservation, a sparsely populated area that occupies more than 12,000 acres in the northeast corner of San Diego County, said Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. The county medical examiner's office confirmed later in the day the remains were Amber's through dental records, he said.
Maher declined to answer questions during a news conference Sunday because he said the discovery was part of an ongoing murder investigation. He said a "lead" brought investigators to the reservation, but he did not elaborate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_teen

Lots more to read here BUT... This was Indian reservation land and Nobody is allowed on it.
Searchers were not allowed to roam this land. It is Severn and separate from the united states of America. when it comes down to chasing the bad guys or doing something like searching for lost and missing people. Only The Elders of the tribe and the U.S. Marshall have jurisdiction. I am not real clear on that law.. But apparently if a crime is committed in Escondido and the culprit runs onto Indian land LE in Escondido have to call a U.S. Marshall to go get the bad guy..
I am not sure how much ass the U.S. Marshall service has to kiss to go there..

Carrie approached Tribal leaders..
jmho
 

I believe you, nobody is supposed to be on that reservation, if someone did go there, I would expect an indian not someone like gardner unless he's crazy, well he's not...who knows............

The maps from the news posted this morning shows that Amber was not found on reservation land.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:32:35 PM
So, William Garcia was just stating his "opinion".  What a jerk.  Media wh@res.  All of them.  IIRC, Edward is not fond of Mr. Garcia.  I can see why. 

Northen Rose, I'm not sure what that green storage tank is for?  ::MonkeyConfused::  It looks like a gasoline tank.

I would be livid as well.  He should know better to keep his yap shut. 

I was thinking Gas or water tank as well.  Read last night there are avocado groves in that area but the tank does not look to be close to groves. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:35:50 PM
Mother Of Dead SoCal Girl Is Grateful For ClosureELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press Writer
ESCONDIDO, Calif. (AP) ― The mother of a 14-year-old girl whose bones have been discovered in a remote, rugged area north of San Diego says she's grateful for a sense of closure after a 13-month search.

Carrie McGonigle said Monday that the last year has been a roller-coaster but that she finally has answers, unlike parents of many other missing children.

McGonigle declined to comment in a brief interview about the lead that brought investigators to Amber Dubois' remains Saturday near the Pala Indian Reservation.

Escondido police have refused to comment on their murder investigation. They have not said if the discovery is linked to John Gardner, who has pleaded not guilty to murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King of nearby Poway.

http://cbs13.com/wireapnewsca/Mother.of.dead.2.1543695.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 08, 2010, 03:36:19 PM
Does anyone know what the green tank is that I circled?  Is this why the road is private?  Mind you all the google images show the gate wide open with the for sale sign on the land so not sure how much the gate is really used or how private it is. 

maybe its the casino or the hotel or both... I think it is that color.. I remember they used to have animals there, like lions, tigers, and my dad would tease them and they got really mad, and the cage was not that strong either...

It's a water storage tank - most likely for fire water - used for fighting wildfiles.  Oddly enough, I'm a project manager for a company that makes tanks like this.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:39:09 PM
New Development: John Gardner Murder Case Back in Court Today

SAN DIEGO - An unexpected development arose Monday in the Chelsea King murder case.

A previously unannounced court hearing is scheduled for 2:00 for John Gardner, the man arrested on suspicion of Chelsea's rape and murder.

The hearing as listed as a "Felony Other Motion Hearing."  The District Attorney's office would not comment on the hearing.


MORE...

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 03:40:14 PM
Amber Dubois' parents upset with investigator

The parents of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois say they are livid about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared in February 2009.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Monday that neither he nor Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, have spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s skeletal remains were discovered Saturday near Pala.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune he has spoken with someone close to the investigation who said Amber’s remains were found based on a tip that was not generated by John Albert Gardner III, the man now facing murder charges in connection with the death of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

Garcia changed his story when contacted Monday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”


Dubois said law enforcement has not told the family what led investigators to Amber’s remains, nor whether Gardner is a suspect. He also said they have been asked not to talk about the case.

“I wish I could talk to you guys because you’ve been there for us since the beginning,” he said. “But we’re on a gag order.”

Amber’s parents have sought publicity throughout their 13-month ordeal in hopes that one reader or television viewer might be prompted to call police with a tip that could solve the case. Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday night when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and McGonigle were told the news.

“Everything is going to change now for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be much different.”

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning to keep people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, was last seen Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class.

Dubois said he understands law enforcement’s desire to keep facts quiet while the investigation continues.

“They don’t want to jeopardize the investigation and we don’t want that to happen either,” he said.

A candlelight vigil is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday in front of Escondido High School.

Karyl O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the school district, said the event will be held under the archway near the school’s main entrance, at 1535 N. Broadway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/dubois-parents-unhappy-with-private/

thanks NR.......... this states the 'grave'? Do we know if in fact there was a grave? And now it looks like this ahole doesn't know what he's talking about....do I understand this correctly, that with this statement retracted/changed, we have no clue what really let to Amber's discovery??


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 03:40:32 PM
Thanks for finding out, Northern. gardner seems to be good at finding loopholes for everything


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:48:40 PM
Amber Dubois' parents upset with investigator

The parents of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois say they are livid about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared in February 2009.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Monday that neither he nor Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, have spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s skeletal remains were discovered Saturday near Pala.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune he has spoken with someone close to the investigation who said Amber’s remains were found based on a tip that was not generated by John Albert Gardner III, the man now facing murder charges in connection with the death of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

Garcia changed his story when contacted Monday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”


Dubois said law enforcement has not told the family what led investigators to Amber’s remains, nor whether Gardner is a suspect. He also said they have been asked not to talk about the case.

“I wish I could talk to you guys because you’ve been there for us since the beginning,” he said. “But we’re on a gag order.”

Amber’s parents have sought publicity throughout their 13-month ordeal in hopes that one reader or television viewer might be prompted to call police with a tip that could solve the case. Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday night when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and McGonigle were told the news.

“Everything is going to change now for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be much different.”

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning to keep people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, was last seen Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class.

Dubois said he understands law enforcement’s desire to keep facts quiet while the investigation continues.

“They don’t want to jeopardize the investigation and we don’t want that to happen either,” he said.

A candlelight vigil is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday in front of Escondido High School.

Karyl O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the school district, said the event will be held under the archway near the school’s main entrance, at 1535 N. Broadway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/dubois-parents-unhappy-with-private/

thanks NR.......... this states the 'grave'? Do we know if in fact there was a grave? And now it looks like this ahole doesn't know what he's talking about....do I understand this correctly, that with this statement retracted/changed, we have no clue what really let to Amber's discovery??

This is the first article that uses the word "grave".  On twitter last night one of the reporters on the scene said Amber was in a shallow grave as well. 

You are correct, we have no clue what lead them to Amber and Garcia needs to shut his pie hole. 

With the unexpected court for Gardner today I am betting he will be charged with Amber's death. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 03:50:42 PM
I've been to an indian reservation and you usually have to check in at the security checkpoint before entering the reservation.. you usually have to tell what your purpose is before getting in... I'm not sure but that would make sense that you would have to.

There is no security checkpoint in most of this area.  For instance, if you go to the Pala Casino you simply drive down highway 76 and get there.  The Pala and Puama (sp) reservations are really spread out and mostly alot of nothing.  I have never seen a gate except if on roads leading to private residences or ranches.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:50:42 PM
Does anyone know what the green tank is that I circled?  Is this why the road is private?  Mind you all the google images show the gate wide open with the for sale sign on the land so not sure how much the gate is really used or how private it is. 

maybe its the casino or the hotel or both... I think it is that color.. I remember they used to have animals there, like lions, tigers, and my dad would tease them and they got really mad, and the cage was not that strong either...

It's a water storage tank - most likely for fire water - used for fighting wildfiles.  Oddly enough, I'm a project manager for a company that makes tanks like this.

Thank you.  Not the reason the road is gated I would suspect. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 03:51:29 PM
New Development: John Gardner Murder Case Back in Court Today

SAN DIEGO - An unexpected development arose Monday in the Chelsea King murder case.

A previously unannounced court hearing is scheduled for 2:00 for John Gardner, the man arrested on suspicion of Chelsea's rape and murder.

The hearing as listed as a "Felony Other Motion Hearing."  The District Attorney's office would not comment on the hearing.


MORE...

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx

thanks NR........will certainly be interested in this


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 03:53:37 PM
Amber Dubois' parents upset with investigator

The parents of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois say they are livid about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared in February 2009.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Monday that neither he nor Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, have spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s skeletal remains were discovered Saturday near Pala.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune he has spoken with someone close to the investigation who said Amber’s remains were found based on a tip that was not generated by John Albert Gardner III, the man now facing murder charges in connection with the death of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

Garcia changed his story when contacted Monday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”


Dubois said law enforcement has not told the family what led investigators to Amber’s remains, nor whether Gardner is a suspect. He also said they have been asked not to talk about the case.

“I wish I could talk to you guys because you’ve been there for us since the beginning,” he said. “But we’re on a gag order.”

Amber’s parents have sought publicity throughout their 13-month ordeal in hopes that one reader or television viewer might be prompted to call police with a tip that could solve the case. Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday night when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and McGonigle were told the news.

“Everything is going to change now for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be much different.”

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning to keep people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, was last seen Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class.

Dubois said he understands law enforcement’s desire to keep facts quiet while the investigation continues.

“They don’t want to jeopardize the investigation and we don’t want that to happen either,” he said.

A candlelight vigil is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday in front of Escondido High School.

Karyl O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the school district, said the event will be held under the archway near the school’s main entrance, at 1535 N. Broadway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/dubois-parents-unhappy-with-private/

thanks NR.......... this states the 'grave'? Do we know if in fact there was a grave? And now it looks like this ahole doesn't know what he's talking about....do I understand this correctly, that with this statement retracted/changed, we have no clue what really let to Amber's discovery??

This is the first article that uses the word "grave".  On twitter last night one of the reporters on the scene said Amber was in a shallow grave as well. 

You are correct, we have no clue what lead them to Amber and Garcia needs to shut his pie hole. 

With the unexpected court for Gardner today I am betting he will be charged with Amber's death. 

thanks NR, this was the first mention of 'grave' I had seen, but I am sure I missed a lot the past couple of days.  I am betting right along with you. If he is charged then I am placing my money on he talked.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:53:43 PM
Drive Thru Fund Raiser for the Families of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King!

EVENT: Drive Thru Fund Raiser for Chelsea King & Amber Dubois Families
WHEN: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010
TIME: 4-7:00pm
WHERE: Scottish Rite Center Parking Lot:  1895 Camino del Rio South, San Diego, CA 92108

WHAT: To raise $$$ for and show our community’s support for the families of Chelsea King & Amber Dubios.

Come on down and show your support for the families of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois! Drop a donation into the bucket, Sign the cards, meet Rick Amato & Jay La Suer, and enjoy a bite to eat from some of San Diego’s hottest restaurants! Let’s show our love and MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!

Can’t make it by? You may send your donations and well wishes to Rick & Jay.  Please make checks payable directly to “Dubois” and/or “King”  and we will forward all cards & donations to the families.

Mail to:

“Sheriff Jay”
P O Box 2115
La Mesa, Ca 91943

http://sheriffjay.org/blog/archives/421


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 03:55:57 PM
Drive Thru Fund Raiser for the Families of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King!

EVENT: Drive Thru Fund Raiser for Chelsea King & Amber Dubois Families
WHEN: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010
TIME: 4-7:00pm
WHERE: Scottish Rite Center Parking Lot:  1895 Camino del Rio South, San Diego, CA 92108

WHAT: To raise $$$ for and show our community’s support for the families of Chelsea King & Amber Dubios.

Come on down and show your support for the families of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois! Drop a donation into the bucket, Sign the cards, meet Rick Amato & Jay La Suer, and enjoy a bite to eat from some of San Diego’s hottest restaurants! Let’s show our love and MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!

Can’t make it by? You may send your donations and well wishes to Rick & Jay.  Please make checks payable directly to “Dubois” and/or “King”  and we will forward all cards & donations to the families.

Mail to:

“Sheriff Jay”
P O Box 2115
La Mesa, Ca 91943

http://sheriffjay.org/blog/archives/421

Again, I have missed a lot.....what are the donations to be used for?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 08, 2010, 03:56:21 PM

thanks NR.......... this states the 'grave'? Do we know if in fact there was a grave? And now it looks like this ahole doesn't know what he's talking about....do I understand this correctly, that with this statement retracted/changed, we have no clue what really let to Amber's discovery??

This is the first article that uses the word "grave".  On twitter last night one of the reporters on the scene said Amber was in a shallow grave as well. 

You are correct, we have no clue what lead them to Amber and Garcia needs to shut his pie hole. 

With the unexpected court for Gardner today I am betting he will be charged with Amber's death. 
I think you are correct as well.  Nut said that very early on and unfortunately she's been around this kind of thing enough to know.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:58:07 PM
Drive Thru Fund Raiser for the Families of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King!

EVENT: Drive Thru Fund Raiser for Chelsea King & Amber Dubois Families
WHEN: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010
TIME: 4-7:00pm
WHERE: Scottish Rite Center Parking Lot:  1895 Camino del Rio South, San Diego, CA 92108

WHAT: To raise $$$ for and show our community’s support for the families of Chelsea King & Amber Dubios.

Come on down and show your support for the families of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois! Drop a donation into the bucket, Sign the cards, meet Rick Amato & Jay La Suer, and enjoy a bite to eat from some of San Diego’s hottest restaurants! Let’s show our love and MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!

Can’t make it by? You may send your donations and well wishes to Rick & Jay.  Please make checks payable directly to “Dubois” and/or “King”  and we will forward all cards & donations to the families.

Mail to:

“Sheriff Jay”
P O Box 2115
La Mesa, Ca 91943

http://sheriffjay.org/blog/archives/421

Again, I have missed a lot.....what are the donations to be used for?

First I heard of this.  Don't even know who Sherriff Jay is. 

Ampersand has posted the address where cards and condolences can be sent .  I will bump it. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:00:33 PM
I hope that Amber's family will also post an address for notes and cards. Maybe someone who has contact could ask?

Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust
PO Box 1557
Paramount CA  90723

Thank you all....

Bump


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on March 08, 2010, 04:01:22 PM
If anyone gets a live link to the hearing for Gardner can you post?  Also, will that be 5:00pm EST?  TIA, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:07:45 PM
A letter from Sheila Welch, Amber's grandmother
IN MEMORY OF AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers; for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." Hebrews 13:2

Amber was joyfully received into her loving family at 2:46 p.m. on October 25, 1994 in Lakewood, California. She was taken from her family on February 13, 2009 while on her way to high school in Escondido, California. She was 14 years old. After a search of more than a year for her, her remains have been found. She was murdered by a person yet unknown.

Amber’s family expresses everlasting gratitude to the multitude of persons who have dedicated their time, resources, prayers and efforts into the year long search. So many of you have gone from strangers to friends during this time. We so wish that you had been able to meet our Amber and discover for yourself what an extraordinary young woman she was.

Having gone to Christian schools for most of her life, Amber weekly learned Bible verses and kept the words in her heart. She had a deep love of God, family, friends and animals. Her loss dims life as we know it and words cannot express the depth of our anguish. Forever we will treasure the goodness, joy, humor and love she brought into our lives in abundance. But, as the Scriptures tell us, "...the greatest of these is love." I Corinthians 13:13

Beloved Amber. You will forever be in our hearts as a flame of love that burns eternal.

Grandma
March 7, 2010

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-missing-Escondido-Chelsea-King/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx

 ::MonkeyTears::   ::MonkeyTears::



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 04:10:05 PM
Sex offenders in Pala, Ca

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=92059&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=19257&centerlat=33379238&centerlon=-117041950&starlat=0&starlon=0&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=ziplist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=Z364&lang=ENGLISH  (http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=92059&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=19257&centerlat=33379238&centerlon=-117041950&starlat=0&starlon=0&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=ziplist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=Z364&lang=ENGLISH)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 04:10:55 PM
I hope that Amber's family will also post an address for notes and cards. Maybe someone who has contact could ask?

Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust
PO Box 1557
Paramount CA  90723

Thank you all....
Thanks for the bump...I'm all for the community support for both girls but somehow i feel that it lessens the focus on each girl and her family to try and lump them together. They were unique and special, each one and the agony that Amber's family suffered through was intense, due to the length of time, the 'lesser' status her case seemed to have been given. Personally I want to send or attend things that are for the remembrance of them as two distinct much loved individuals. Hope this doesn't sound prissy or weird, it's not meant that way.

Bump


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 08, 2010, 04:12:18 PM
We have nothing to do with this "Sheriff Jay" event. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 08, 2010, 04:14:57 PM
I am still in shock today. I truly believed that we would find Amber alive. My heart goes out to all of Amber's family and friends. Words cannot even begin to express my sorrow. I wanted to share an email that I received from Amber's grandmother. I hope that anyone who is local can come to the vigil tonight and show support. This is one of the strongest families that I have ever had the previledge to meet.


A candlelight ceremony will be held at 6:30 p.m. tonight at Escondido High School in Escondido, CA to mourn the loss of Amber.  All are invited to attend.
 
When Amber first went missing, we were trying very, very hard to get some national media coverage so that Amber's face could be seen and someone might recognize and save her.  The FIRST person willing to help us was Nancy Grace of HLN.  She subsequently renewed coverage several times for Amber. Tonight, Nancy will do an hour special on Amber at 5 p.m. PST.  Because of her early and continuing concerns for Amber, I have agreed to appear tonight. 
 
Thank you for the kind messages and for your prayers.
 
Sheila
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 04:15:41 PM
No news conference today

http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/news/releases/03-08a-10.pdf  (http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/news/releases/03-08a-10.pdf)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:18:18 PM
If anyone gets a live link to the hearing for Gardner can you post?  Also, will that be 5:00pm EST?  TIA, Lovinlife

I have not found a link yet but will keep looking.  I think that would mean 5:00 eastern. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
Beautiful letter from Amber's grandma  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:20:46 PM
Friends Mourn Amber Dubois

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/410*307/Amber-Memorial-Daylight.jpg)

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Friends-Remember-Amber-Dubois-86857482.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:22:11 PM
No news conference today

http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/news/releases/03-08a-10.pdf  (http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/news/releases/03-08a-10.pdf)

I wonder if Gardner's new court date at 2:00 will explain why conference was cancelled.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 08, 2010, 04:27:12 PM
We have nothing to do with this "Sheriff Jay" event. 

Would you like me to go to where that post is here at Scared Monkeys and make a  notation?  MuffyBee


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 04:32:04 PM
No news conference today

http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/news/releases/03-08a-10.pdf  (http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/news/releases/03-08a-10.pdf)

I wonder if Gardner's new court date at 2:00 will explain why conference was cancelled.

I sure hope something comes out today to explain all of this.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 08, 2010, 04:37:26 PM
I seriously have to think that JAG had something to do with Amber death. If he is not a suspect and was not the one who gave up the location of Amber's remains we would have a new direction to be looking into. I do believe that it was Gardner who gave it up if not him then someone from his family who knew where he was on that day in February of 09.

Has anyone done a address search to see if the Pala location was sold recently? I would not be surprised to find if the location was not an area that the humper's had one of their end of the run parties. Or that it is owned by someone in that crowd maybe an O'reilly.

I know it's an on going investigation, but the Escondido police would have jumped all over a new suspect lead and we would be searching for someone else. They would not hold back information on a new lead yet again. If that were the case I'd be requesting some replacements on the force.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cookie on March 08, 2010, 04:38:36 PM
it had to have been Gardner who told LE where Amber was ...otherwise, I don't think by the looks of that area that Amber would have ever been found...jmo...someone, perhaps Gardner knew that area and put Amber there...jmo... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 04:41:46 PM
We have nothing to do with this "Sheriff Jay" event. 

Looks like he's running for office and using Chelsea's and Amber's names to get publicity. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tevye on March 08, 2010, 04:43:21 PM
Today, as I went into the jail on one of my 3x weekly assignments, I had the distinct displeasure of removing the Missing Person/Reward poster for Amber. Why is this worthy of mention? One, because the reward was up to $100,000. Two, I live in Northern Michigan! I was amazed that we would have that poster all the way up here. It's the only one I've ever seen at my jail. It was sad to take it down.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
I'm a little behind so this may have already been posted:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/dubois-parents-unhappy-with-private/

Amber Dubois' parents upset with investigator

By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published March 8, 2010 at 11:31 a.m., updated March 8, 2010 at 12:52 p.m.


The parents of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois say they are angry about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared in February 2009.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Monday that neither he nor Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, have spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s skeletal remains were discovered Saturday near Pala.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune in a phone interview Sunday afternoon that the tip leading investigators to Amber’s remains did not come from John Albert Gardner III, the man now facing murder charges in connection with the death of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

A few minutes later, when he was asked again about the tip and how he knew it didn’t come from Gardner, Garcia said, “I talked to someone who knows it first-hand.” He said he couldn’t say any more without getting into trouble.

Garcia changed his story when contacted Monday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”

Garcia said he has not worked for the family in almost a year but has been doing some investigating on his own and feeding all of his findings to a contact with the Escondido police.

He said he gave interviews on Sunday only to let parents know they still have to guard their children from predators because it’s unclear if Amber’s killer is still out there.

Dubois said law enforcement has not told the family what led investigators to Amber’s remains, nor whether Gardner is a suspect. He also said they have been asked not to talk about the case.

“I wish I could talk to you guys because you’ve been there for us since the beginning,” Dubois said. “But we’re on a gag order.”

Amber’s parents have sought publicity throughout their 13-month ordeal in hopes that one reader or television viewer might be prompted to call police with a tip that could solve the case. Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday night when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and McGonigle were told the news.

“Everything is going to change now for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be much different.”

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning to keep people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, was last seen Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class.

Dubois said he understands law enforcement’s desire to keep facts quiet while the investigation continues.

“They don’t want to jeopardize the investigation and we don’t want that to happen either,” he said.

A candlelight vigil is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday in front of Escondido High School.

Karyl O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the school district, said the event will be held under the archway near the school’s main entrance, at 1535 N. Broadway.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:48:29 PM
Today, as I went into the jail on one of my 3x weekly assignments, I had the distinct displeasure of removing the Missing Person/Reward poster for Amber. Why is this worthy of mention? One, because the reward was up to $100,000. Two, I live in Northern Michigan! I was amazed that we would have that poster all the way up here. It's the only one I've ever seen at my jail. It was sad to take it down.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 04:53:47 PM
I hope that Amber's family will also post an address for notes and cards. Maybe someone who has contact could ask?

Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust
PO Box 1557
Paramount CA  90723

Thank you all....

Bump

thanks NR ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:55:05 PM
RIP, Amber Dubois: 1995-2009

We did not want to have to post yet another blog about yet another angelic girl taken from this world all too soon... But we must.

Our deepest condolences are going out to the Dubois Family.

As you've heard, the skeletal remains of Amber Dubois were discovered Saturday near the Pala Indian Reservation.

There are reports going around that John Albert Gardner III may have had a hand in this. Many clues point to it; and he did live within walking distance of Amber's school when she went missing on her way to class one morning.

Amber's family had been searching for her for 13 months. After so many false leads of people supposedly spotting her, the family still held out hope that she could be alive.

Our hearts go out to the Dubois and King Families.

These kids may have only budded on earth, but they blossomed in Heaven.

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12102436


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 04:59:00 PM
A letter from Sheila Welch, Amber's grandmother
IN MEMORY OF AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers; for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." Hebrews 13:2

Amber was joyfully received into her loving family at 2:46 p.m. on October 25, 1994 in Lakewood, California. She was taken from her family on February 13, 2009 while on her way to high school in Escondido, California. She was 14 years old. After a search of more than a year for her, her remains have been found. She was murdered by a person yet unknown.

Amber’s family expresses everlasting gratitude to the multitude of persons who have dedicated their time, resources, prayers and efforts into the year long search. So many of you have gone from strangers to friends during this time. We so wish that you had been able to meet our Amber and discover for yourself what an extraordinary young woman she was.

Having gone to Christian schools for most of her life, Amber weekly learned Bible verses and kept the words in her heart. She had a deep love of God, family, friends and animals. Her loss dims life as we know it and words cannot express the depth of our anguish. Forever we will treasure the goodness, joy, humor and love she brought into our lives in abundance. But, as the Scriptures tell us, "...the greatest of these is love." I Corinthians 13:13

Beloved Amber. You will forever be in our hearts as a flame of love that burns eternal.

Grandma
March 7, 2010

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-missing-Escondido-Chelsea-King/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx

 ::MonkeyTears::   ::MonkeyTears::

thanks NR.....how painful that must be............but yet, this loving family feels such gratitude for all the love and support. This family and the King family are extraordinary people........


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 05:02:27 PM
Not found any news covering Gardner live in court this afternoon.  Guess we just have to wait.


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Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 08, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
it had to have been Gardner who told LE where Amber was ...otherwise, I don't think by the looks of that area that Amber would have ever been found...jmo...someone, perhaps Gardner knew that area and put Amber there...jmo... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

I agree and I cannot help but wonder if there was a hasher event in Pala in '08-early '09.
I think the new felony for Gardner will be murder of Amber.

I have been updating like crazy, finding pics here and elsewhere and media sources, thanks to all, Amber's album looks pretty good.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 05:12:09 PM
it had to have been Gardner who told LE where Amber was ...otherwise, I don't think by the looks of that area that Amber would have ever been found...jmo...someone, perhaps Gardner knew that area and put Amber there...jmo... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

I agree and I cannot help but wonder if there was a hasher event in Pala in '08-early '09.
I think the new felony for Gardner will be murder of Amber.

I have been updating like crazy, finding pics here and elsewhere and media sources, thanks to all, Amber's album looks pretty good.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/
Thank-you


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
it had to have been Gardner who told LE where Amber was ...otherwise, I don't think by the looks of that area that Amber would have ever been found...jmo...someone, perhaps Gardner knew that area and put Amber there...jmo... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

I agree and I cannot help but wonder if there was a hasher event in Pala in '08-early '09.
I think the new felony for Gardner will be murder of Amber.

I have been updating like crazy, finding pics here and elsewhere and media sources, thanks to all, Amber's album looks pretty good.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/

Thank you   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 05:17:14 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 05:19:02 PM
Not found any news covering Gardner live in court this afternoon.  Guess we just have to wait.

thanks NR....so we wait.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 05:19:22 PM
Amber DuBois' Family Disagrees on Who Killed Her
Father Believes It Was Jailed Sex Offender, Grandmother Thinks Someone Else

The family of Amber DuBois, the missing California teenager whose body was found over the weekend, are divided as to whether she was killed by the same sex offender recently charged with the rape and murder of Chelsea King.

DuBois disppeared more than a year ago and her skeletal remains were discovered Sunday, less than a week after registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, 30, was arrested for the rape and murder of 17-year-old King.

In the aftermath of King's disappearance on Feb. 25, police linked Gardner to several near abductions in the area and speculated he may have played a role in DuBois' disappearance last year.

At a press conference immediately following Gardner's arraignment on March 4, Maurice DuBois said "there are enough similarities" between the two cases that he was confident Dubois and King were both killed by Gardner.

DuBois' grandmother and the private eye the family initially hired to find Amber, however, believe someone other than Gardner else is responsible for killing the Escondido High School student who vanished Feb. 13, 2009.

"The M.O. [modus operandi] for Gardner doesn't fit," said Michelle Bart, spokeswoman Dubois' grandmother Sheila Welch. "He stalks his prey and waited for girls in secluded areas where he could take advantage of them. Amber was walking outside in plain sight with other kids on her way to school. She was excited to get to school that day. She had Valentines and wanted to buy a lamb."

The lamb was part of DuBois' project as a member of the Future Farmers of America.

"Someone had to get her attention, and it is likely it was somebody she knew or trusted," Bart said.

San Diego County sheriffs have said Gardner has not cooperated with police since his arrest, diminishing the chances that he told investigators where to find DuBois' remains.

Authorities said Sunday they were given a tip that led them to find Dubois' body, but would not comment on the details of who led them to the girl's remains, or if she was buried in a shallow grave similar to the one in which King was found.

MORE...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/amber-dubois-family-split-killed-chelsea-kings-suspected/story?id=10045235


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 05:19:47 PM
it had to have been Gardner who told LE where Amber was ...otherwise, I don't think by the looks of that area that Amber would have ever been found...jmo...someone, perhaps Gardner knew that area and put Amber there...jmo... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

I agree and I cannot help but wonder if there was a hasher event in Pala in '08-early '09.
I think the new felony for Gardner will be murder of Amber.

I have been updating like crazy, finding pics here and elsewhere and media sources, thanks to all, Amber's album looks pretty good.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/

thanks for you work and for sharing it with us.


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Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 08, 2010, 05:22:57 PM
Not found any news covering Gardner live in court this afternoon.  Guess we just have to wait.
Thank you Northern Rose  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 05:28:37 PM
I disagree with Michelle Barts assessment that this crime doesn't fit his M.O. I think considering the other crimes witnesses have come forward with, it does fit.



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Post by: Ampersand on March 08, 2010, 05:32:11 PM
We have nothing to do with this "Sheriff Jay" event. 

Would you like me to go to where that post is here at Scared Monkeys and make a  notation?  MuffyBee

I will MuffyBee - thank you...


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Post by: Ampersand on March 08, 2010, 05:34:18 PM
Drive Thru Fund Raiser for the Families of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King!

EVENT: Drive Thru Fund Raiser for Chelsea King & Amber Dubois Families
WHEN: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010
TIME: 4-7:00pm
WHERE: Scottish Rite Center Parking Lot:  1895 Camino del Rio South, San Diego, CA 92108

WHAT: To raise $$$ for and show our community’s support for the families of Chelsea King & Amber Dubios.

Come on down and show your support for the families of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois! Drop a donation into the bucket, Sign the cards, meet Rick Amato & Jay La Suer, and enjoy a bite to eat from some of San Diego’s hottest restaurants! Let’s show our love and MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!

Can’t make it by? You may send your donations and well wishes to Rick & Jay.  Please make checks payable directly to “Dubois” and/or “King”  and we will forward all cards & donations to the families.

Mail to:

“Sheriff Jay”
P O Box 2115
La Mesa, Ca 91943

http://sheriffjay.org/blog/archives/421

The Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust is not connected with this event in any way, shape or form.  Thank you.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 05:34:53 PM
Today I went to a book fair at my childrens school and  donated 2 books to their library in honor of Amber's memory and her love for reading. One was about Wolves and had a beautiful wolf on the front cover and the other was a young readers book about spring which had a little cute lamb on the front. Inside the front cover the librarian put on a lable that read, in memory of Amber Dubios. Now Ambers love of reading will maybe inspire another child.

It is funny how someone that you have never met can have such an inpact on your life as Amber has on mine.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 05:35:40 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-Escondido-Chelsea-King-Gardner/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx    Saying there is a link.


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Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 05:37:21 PM
IMO Jerseygirl was correct about the location.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/PalaAmber1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pala1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pala2-1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/PalaArouba.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pala3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pala.jpg)




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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 05:38:10 PM
Today I went to a book fair at my childrens school and  donated 2 books to their library in honor of Amber's memory and her love for reading. One was about Wolves and had a beautiful wolf on the front cover and the other was a young readers book about spring which had a little cute lamb on the front. Inside the front cover the librarian put on a lable that read, in memory of Amber Dubios. Now Ambers love of reading will maybe inspire another child.

It is funny how someone that you have never met can have such an inpact on your life as Amber has on mine.

Tracy that was very thoughtful and I am sure Amber is looking down with a big smile and saying Thanks!!

 That is the kind of impact Natalee made in my life and why I still have her poster in the back window of my car.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 05:38:18 PM
Escondido Police Link Amber Dubois' Death to Chelsea King Murder Suspect John Gardner
  Reported by: San Diego 6 News Team
Email: newstips@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 2:25 pm 

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 ESCONDIDO - Escondido police revealed Monday afternoon that convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III is the focus of their investigation into the death of Amber Dubois. 

Gardner is in custody on suspicion of rape and murder in the case of Poway teen Chelsea King.

Escondido police issued a one sentence statement Monday afternoon from Lt. Craig Carter saying "The Amber Dubois crime scene is still being processed and John Albert Gardner III remains a focus of  the investigation."

It was the first time Escondido investigators had publicly acknowledged that the suspect in Chelsea King's killing was also the focus of the Amber Dubois investigation.

Escondido police held a brief news conference Sunday afternoon to announce the search for Amber had ended after more than a year. 

"The discovery was made in the early morning hours of Saturday, in a very rugged and remote section of Pala,'' Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said at a news conference.

Pala is in northern San Diego County, about 25 miles from Escondido.

The chief said detectives were following a lead when her body was found. 

"Positive identification was subsequently made by the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office late Saturday afternoon by way of a dental records comparison,'' Maher said.  "Her parents were notified in person by Escondido and sheriff's investigators Saturday night.

The remains were found near  Pala Mission Road and County Road S16.   Sheriff investigators combed the grounds for evidence into this murder investigation.

Investigators close to the case tell San Diego 6 News a hiker discovered the remains, and then notified the authorities.

Amber's parents attended the news conference.  Her father choked back tears long enough to thank those who worked fo help find his daughter.  Volunteer searchers had worked most weekends since Amber's disappearance.

"They were the most dedicated people you could ever imagine,'' Maurice Dubois said.  "Without them, we couldn't have done anything.''

Amber returned to public attention since the arrest -- by the Sheriff's Department -- of John Albert Gardner III in connection with the disappearance and death of 17-year-old Chelsea King in nearby Rancho Bernardo.

Additional counselors were available Monday at Escondido High School tohelp students cope with the weekend discovery of 14-year-old AmberDubois' skeletal remains, more than a year after the freshmandisappeared while walking to school.

The North County high school planned a candlelight remembrance for Amber Monday night at 6:30.

"Amberhas been lost to us but she'll be remembered in the memories of ourstaff and students," EHS Principal Rich Watkins told reporters thismorning.

Chelsea's parents said Monday they had talked with Amber's parents.   “We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness," said the statement from Kelly and Brent King.  "We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life.”

Amber's grandmother, Shela Welch released an open letter Monday that she wrote thanking volunteers and supporters in the search for Amber.  "We so wish that you had been able to meet our Amber and discover for yourself what an extraordinary young woman she was," said Welch.

The entire letter is printed below.

Gardner is a registered sex offender who lived recently in Escondido.  Investigators were looking into any involvement he might have had with Amber, or in other unsolved crimes.

Investigators did not reveal Sunday whether Gardner played any role in the discovery of Amber Dubois' remains.

Amber was 14 when she disappeared more than a year ago while walking to Escondido High School.

 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 05:38:25 PM
Police: John Gardner focus of Amber Dubois murder investigation (video)

ESCONDIDO, Calif. (CBS 8) — Police now say John Gardner is the focus of the Amber Dubois murder investigation.  Meanwhile, the area where the 14-year-old's remains were found over the weekend is still being processed.  The crime scene is located in a remote corner of the Pala Indian Reservation.

This is a Breaking News Alert. The original story is below.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12099609


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Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 05:39:28 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-Escondido-Chelsea-King-Gardner/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx    Saying there is a link.

Thanks no rose - no shock to any of us:


Escondido Police Link Amber Dubois' Death to Chelsea King Murder Suspect John Gardner
   Reported by: San Diego 6 News Team
Email: newstips@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 2:25 pm

ESCONDIDO - Escondido police revealed Monday afternoon that convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III is the focus of their investigation into the death of Amber Dubois.

Gardner is in custody on suspicion of rape and murder in the case of Poway teen Chelsea King.

Escondido police issued a one sentence statement Monday afternoon from Lt. Craig Carter saying "The Amber Dubois crime scene is still being processed and John Albert Gardner III remains a focus of  the investigation."

It was the first time Escondido investigators had publicly acknowledged that the suspect in Chelsea King's killing was also the focus of the Amber Dubois investigation.

Escondido police held a brief news conference Sunday afternoon to announce the search for Amber had ended after more than a year.

"The discovery was made in the early morning hours of Saturday, in a very rugged and remote section of Pala,'' Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said at a news conference.

Pala is in northern San Diego County, about 25 miles from Escondido.

(snipped)


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 05:40:20 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-Escondido-Chelsea-King-Gardner/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx    Saying there is a link.

Escondido Police Link Amber Dubois' Death to Chelsea King Murder Suspect John Gardner

thanks nrcg


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Post by: cookie on March 08, 2010, 05:40:38 PM
Mike Brooks said on HLN that he thinks that it is too coincidental that Amber's body is found right after Gardner was arrested...not exact words but the general gist of it....


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Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 08, 2010, 05:41:03 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-Escondido-Chelsea-King-Gardner/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx    Saying there is a link.
Thank you No Rose - I have a feeling they have something good.  I also disagree with Michelle Bart after all, consider Chelsea, he was in that park for a reason, I feel it was to stalk and wait for his next victim.


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Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 05:41:10 PM
it had to have been Gardner who told LE where Amber was ...otherwise, I don't think by the looks of that area that Amber would have ever been found...jmo...someone, perhaps Gardner knew that area and put Amber there...jmo... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

I agree and I cannot help but wonder if there was a hasher event in Pala in '08-early '09.
I think the new felony for Gardner will be murder of Amber.

I have been updating like crazy, finding pics here and elsewhere and media sources, thanks to all, Amber's album looks pretty good.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/
Hi Amanda, here is something I found for the Pala area.

http://www.hash.org/hash.cgi?m=12&d=11&y=2009&h=spc  (http://www.hash.org/hash.cgi?m=12&d=11&y=2009&h=spc)



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Post by: Nut44x4 on March 08, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
Kind of like the area Morgan Harrington was found in....the perp HAD to know where it was.


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Post by: Lovinlife on March 08, 2010, 05:46:07 PM

For those who cannot be at Amber's memorial in person:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 05:47:52 PM
o/t in Lindsey's thread, DD is saying Tag and Libby's house is being searched, and so is Kara's house.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 05:48:26 PM
ESCONDIDO: Police say Gardner is focus of investigation in Amber killing

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III is under investigation in the killing of Amber Dubois, the Escondido teen who disappeared 13 months ago and whose remains were discovered near the Pala Indian Reservation on Saturday, Escondido police said Monday.

"The Amber Dubois crime scene is still being processed and John Albert Gardner III remains a focus of the investigation," Lt. Craig Carter, a spokesman for the department, said in a statement released shortly after 2 p.m.

Gardner was charged Wednesday with murder and rape in the Feb. 25 killing of Chelsea King, a 17-year-old Poway girl. He has pleaded not guilty.

Amber's remains were found early Saturday following what until now police only described as a lead in their investigation.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_6be400e8-2b01-11df-9d5e-001cc4c002e0.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 05:50:06 PM

For those who cannot be at Amber's memorial in person:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Thank you Lovin


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Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 05:53:32 PM
Great Work Monkeys!

If anyone could find a picture of county roads signs from Orange, San Diego and LA counties I'd appreciate them.

Anyone know of road signs in CA that have numbers on them and the signs are rectangle to small rectangle or even a small square with a number on it? TIA

I am trying to reconstruct a dream I had about finding where Donna Jou was. Thanks. IBE


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2010, 05:54:23 PM
Today I went to a book fair at my childrens school and  donated 2 books to their library in honor of Amber's memory and her love for reading. One was about Wolves and had a beautiful wolf on the front cover and the other was a young readers book about spring which had a little cute lamb on the front. Inside the front cover the librarian put on a lable that read, in memory of Amber Dubios. Now Ambers love of reading will maybe inspire another child.

It is funny how someone that you have never met can have such an inpact on your life as Amber has on mine.

Tracygirl ... what a wonderful guesture.  You have inspired me to do likewise.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I received a gift card from Chapters at Christmas that has been taking up room in that card file in my purse.  There is no book fair happening that I am aware of but ... there is a women's and children's shelter in our community that may appreciate a couple of nice books.
 
Janet 





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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2010, 05:55:31 PM
o/t in Lindsey's thread, DD is saying Tag and Libby's house is being searched, and so is Kara's house.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


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Post by: Ampersand on March 08, 2010, 05:57:49 PM
Today I went to a book fair at my childrens school and  donated 2 books to their library in honor of Amber's memory and her love for reading. One was about Wolves and had a beautiful wolf on the front cover and the other was a young readers book about spring which had a little cute lamb on the front. Inside the front cover the librarian put on a lable that read, in memory of Amber Dubios. Now Ambers love of reading will maybe inspire another child.

It is funny how someone that you have never met can have such an inpact on your life as Amber has on mine.

Thank you Tracygirl - that's a lovely tribute to our beautiful Amber... ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2010, 05:59:47 PM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 06:00:13 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 06:13:11 PM
o/t in Lindsey's thread, DD is saying Tag and Libby's house is being searched, and so is Kara's house.

Wow thanks! I will check it out


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 06:17:55 PM
Today I went to a book fair at my childrens school and  donated 2 books to their library in honor of Amber's memory and her love for reading. One was about Wolves and had a beautiful wolf on the front cover and the other was a young readers book about spring which had a little cute lamb on the front. Inside the front cover the librarian put on a lable that read, in memory of Amber Dubios. Now Ambers love of reading will maybe inspire another child.

It is funny how someone that you have never met can have such an inpact on your life as Amber has on mine.

Tracygirl ... what a wonderful guesture.  You have inspired me to do likewise.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I received a gift card from Chapters at Christmas that has been taking up room in that card file in my purse.  There is no book fair happening that I am aware of but ... there is a women's and children's shelter in our community that may appreciate a couple of nice books.
 
Janet 





Oh that is great of you! I am sure the center will love them.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 06:19:31 PM
Great Work Monkeys!

If anyone could find a picture of county roads signs from Orange, San Diego and LA counties I'd appreciate them.

Anyone know of road signs in CA that have numbers on them and the signs are rectangle to small rectangle or even a small square with a number on it? TIA

I am trying to reconstruct a dream I had about finding where Donna Jou was. Thanks. IBE

signs start on page 35
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl600.pdf


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 06:19:41 PM
Today I went to a book fair at my childrens school and  donated 2 books to their library in honor of Amber's memory and her love for reading. One was about Wolves and had a beautiful wolf on the front cover and the other was a young readers book about spring which had a little cute lamb on the front. Inside the front cover the librarian put on a lable that read, in memory of Amber Dubios. Now Ambers love of reading will maybe inspire another child.

It is funny how someone that you have never met can have such an inpact on your life as Amber has on mine.

Thank you Tracygirl - that's a lovely tribute to our beautiful Amber... ::MonkeyAngel::
Your welcome Ampersand, Amber was a special girl


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Post by: Nut44x4 on March 08, 2010, 06:20:46 PM
I know it isn't realistic, but it's a shame they can't get as many cadaver dogs as possible and just unleash them in areas between where these bodies were found. There has to be more....has to be  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Makes me sick...how many other girls are out there, gone undetected for how long?? Makes me sick.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 06:21:37 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

He liked sports, worked in a sporting good store.  I can see him tagging along and helping out the event.  Don't knoe what the rules are (if any) but I could see it. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 08, 2010, 06:25:55 PM

For those who cannot be at Amber's memorial in person:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Thanks Lovin'   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 06:39:53 PM
Northern Rose,

Thank you. Went through the whole book but don't see what I need.

Know this is O/T for this thread. Need to see actual county road signs and how the printing looks and the number placement, because maybe it was a fire road, so need to find the difference.



Did you hear that 17,000 sex offenders were released last year in CA. without the Govt. following the law. The law we passed in CA with 70+% vote required the SO to be checked by 2 psychiatrists or 2 psychologists before being release. Not being done. Some clerk type person just been looking over the record and ... they are out. This was on the Huckabee show last night with Klaus's father.


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Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
Northern Rose,

Thank you. Went through the whole book but don't see what I need.

Know this is O/T for this thread. Need to see actual county road signs and how the printing looks and the number placement, because maybe it was a fire road, so need to find the difference.



Did you hear that 17,000 sex offenders were released last year in CA. without the Govt. following the law. The law we passed in CA with 70+% vote required the SO to be checked by 2 psychiatrists or 2 psychologists before being release. Not being done. Some clerk type person just been looking over the record and ... they are out. This was on the Huckabee show last night with Klaus's father.
IBE~  hadn't heard about that. That's disgusting, not shocking, until they put as high a priority on sexual offenses as they do drugs, they'll keep rubber stamping them out into society. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 06:54:35 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12099609

This video has a comment made by the counselman, he states it is too bad we had to lose these 3 girls....do you think they found someone else or do you think he misspoke?
Nutt is there any word that another body of a missing girl was found somewhere?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0

John Albert Gardner III now linked to the Murder of Amber DuBois after being Charged with the Rape and Murder of Chelsea King


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on March 08, 2010, 06:57:02 PM
From Jean Casaris' question to LE that remained unanswered before Amber was found, I suspect that maybe JaG had kept an item of Amber's clothing and that was important in how fast she was found.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 08, 2010, 06:58:47 PM
Thanks Klaas. 


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Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 07:05:19 PM
Jane VM on live now with the case and her campaign for "Freedom from Fear"


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 07:06:53 PM
O/T new missing person in Orange County CA just came in LE... an adult. Have more info later


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 07:11:14 PM
they should just have a shock collar around their neck for everytime they feel the urge, they are like big vicious dogs.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 07:13:23 PM
From Jean Casaris' question to LE that remained unanswered before Amber was found, I suspect that maybe JaG had kept an item of Amber's clothing and that was important in how fast she was found.

Wasn't it listed somewhere that Amber's friends were watching JAG's home at times?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 07:16:57 PM
O/T new missing person in Orange County CA just came in LE... an adult. Have more info later

are you talking about james wernke? http://www.ocregister.com/articles/fullerton-223948-wernke-police.html

Edited photo out since he was found deceased


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on March 08, 2010, 07:17:15 PM
From Jean Casaris' question to LE that remained unanswered before Amber was found, I suspect that maybe JaG had kept an item of Amber's clothing and that was important in how fast she was found.

Wasn't it listed somewhere that Amber's friends were watching JAG's home at times?
   
   I  believe it was her grandma and mom's friends that watched him.  If he had something of Amber's and LE found it, it would sure have increased the pressure that they could have put on him.  I have never been for the death penalty, but I believe that this time I could throw the switch myself.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 07:19:58 PM
sorry nevermind, they already found  his body december 15,2009.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 07:21:06 PM
Jane VM show talking about new legistation... wearing a monitor for life and texting of crimes in neighborhood

Discussing this type of crime and time in prison.. will he help???


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 07:26:05 PM
O/T new missing person in Orange County CA just came in LE... an adult. Have more info later

are you talking about james wernke? http://www.ocregister.com/articles/fullerton-223948-wernke-police.html

No older. Maybe I will hear more in about half hour. Maybe not.


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Post by: Gypsy DD on March 08, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
I just want to say again to our research teams at Scared Monkeys , Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee that All of you did a wondeful thing for this family and I know "because I am here" that you do this for many family's of the missing.

It is an honor to share the field of battle with all of you for such a noble cause.

Thank You


 

Edward,
 Good job..and so proud to be able to post with you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 08, 2010, 08:08:33 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

He liked sports, worked in a sporting good store.  I can see him tagging along and helping out the event.  Don't knoe what the rules are (if any) but I could see it. 
If he worked at a sporting good store, could he be a hunter? Do they hunt in the woods out there? Just a thought, probably a dumb one.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 08:09:21 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

He liked sports, worked in a sporting good store.  I can see him tagging along and helping out the event.  Don't knoe what the rules are (if any) but I could see it. 
If he worked at a sporting good store, could he be a hunter? Do they hunt in the woods out there? Just a thought, probably a dumb one.
No, not dumb, there is hunting, now what kind I'm not sure of.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 08:10:26 PM
Amber's grandma is suppose to be on Nancy Grace tonight.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 08, 2010, 08:20:06 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

He liked sports, worked in a sporting good store.  I can see him tagging along and helping out the event.  Don't knoe what the rules are (if any) but I could see it. 
If he worked at a sporting good store, could he be a hunter? Do they hunt in the woods out there? Just a thought, probably a dumb one.
No, not dumb, there is hunting, now what kind I'm not sure of.
Thanks No Rose, he hunts girls so he could hunt wildlife. I guess that is what I was trying to ask.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 08, 2010, 08:21:20 PM
Today I went to a book fair at my childrens school and  donated 2 books to their library in honor of Amber's memory and her love for reading. One was about Wolves and had a beautiful wolf on the front cover and the other was a young readers book about spring which had a little cute lamb on the front. Inside the front cover the librarian put on a lable that read, in memory of Amber Dubios. Now Ambers love of reading will maybe inspire another child.

It is funny how someone that you have never met can have such an inpact on your life as Amber has on mine.

Tracy, what a wonderful thing for you to do.  It is a great idea for all of us with our local libraries.


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Post by: joesamas mama on March 08, 2010, 08:23:57 PM
Amber's grandma is suppose to be on Nancy Grace tonight.
I wish I had cable so I could watch it. God bless Amber's grandma for having the strength to do that tonight. I pray for her whole family.  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Gypsy DD on March 08, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

What I think is if they give you a name ..you are part of the group.

It appears that JAG was frequenting and knew where the runs were rather he participated or not.   I think looking at Hash Humps dates of runs and the trails they make for the run may lend some information about other missing people in the area.

And I do hope that any other young women who were accosted by him, will come forward.  Usually this type starts with rape and then escalates to rape and murder.

Condolences to Amber's family and friends.  So sad this is the ending..


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Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 08:28:29 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 08:30:50 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

He liked sports, worked in a sporting good store.  I can see him tagging along and helping out the event.  Don't knoe what the rules are (if any) but I could see it. 
If he worked at a sporting good store, could he be a hunter? Do they hunt in the woods out there? Just a thought, probably a dumb one.

Just cause I am sick doesn't mean I didn't see that young lady!!!  STOP IT!! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 08, 2010, 08:34:39 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

He liked sports, worked in a sporting good store.  I can see him tagging along and helping out the event.  Don't knoe what the rules are (if any) but I could see it. 
If he worked at a sporting good store, could he be a hunter? Do they hunt in the woods out there? Just a thought, probably a dumb one.


Just cause I am sick doesn't mean I didn't see that young lady!!!  STOP IT!! ::MonkeyKiss::
Sorry Sunny, I hope you feel better soon.  ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 08:35:44 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

What I think is if they give you a name ..you are part of the group.

It appears that JAG was frequenting and knew where the runs were rather he participated or not.   I think looking at Hash Humps dates of runs and the trails they make for the run may lend some information about other missing people in the area.

And I do hope that any other young women who were accosted by him, will come forward.  Usually this type starts with rape and then escalates to rape and murder.

Condolences to Amber's family and friends.  So sad this is the ending..


I agree...I have been trying to find a schedule of their past runs.  I posted a journal type entry from one hashing group, I wonder if all of the groups keep a record like that? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 08:36:53 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

He liked sports, worked in a sporting good store.  I can see him tagging along and helping out the event.  Don't knoe what the rules are (if any) but I could see it. 
If he worked at a sporting good store, could he be a hunter? Do they hunt in the woods out there? Just a thought, probably a dumb one.


Just cause I am sick doesn't mean I didn't see that young lady!!!  STOP IT!! ::MonkeyKiss::
Sorry Sunny, I hope you feel better soon.  ::MonkeyKiss::
I hope you feel better soon also Sunny  ::MonkeyAngel:: I would imagine hunting small animals and perhaps deer.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 08, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
Amber's grandma, Sheila Welch, is talking. Says Amber was happy with her school that it had FFA. Sheila thanks NG as she was the only national show that had Amber's disappearance on their show.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2010, 08:46:56 PM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



On Nancy Grace ... Marc Klaas shared his suspicions and ... those suspicions reflect mine.

In response ... Nancy Grace indicated that she would be furious ... the public would be furious ... if the prosecutor stuck a deal.

I am a believer in the death penalty but ... when I consider Amber's family living in a perpetual state of not knowing ... I think maybe a deal would be exceptable as long as that monster never experiences another day of freedom.

I would appreciate the opinions of others on this forum.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on March 08, 2010, 08:47:43 PM
Amber's grandma, Sheila Welch, is talking. Says Amber was happy with her school that it had FFA. Sheila thanks NG as she was the only national show that had Amber's disappearance on their show.

Seeing Ambers father is heartbreaking the toll it has taken certainly shows...Bless this family dear Lord.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?

or could it be designating where USA land and reservation land was???


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



On Nancy Grace ... Marc Klaas shared his suspicions and ... those suspicions reflect mine.

In response ... Nancy Grace indicated that she would be furious ... the public would be furious ... if the prosecutor stuck a deal.

I am a believer in the death penalty but ... when I consider Amber's family living in a perpetual state of not knowing ... I think maybe a deal would be exceptable as long as that monster never experiences another day of freedom.

I would appreciate the opinions of others on this forum.

Thanks

Janet

I feel the way you do on that. I'm not against the DP, but in CA the chances of you dying from natural causes will happen before you are put to death.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 08:51:39 PM
Would it be possible that "Just John", not being a runner himself in these events, could be at certain check points in the run to pass out the beer and thereby be part of the event with his family? Therefore would have a great knowledge of the trails?

The SO in the Donna Jou case loved wilderness trails too.

He liked sports, worked in a sporting good store.  I can see him tagging along and helping out the event.  Don't knoe what the rules are (if any) but I could see it. 
If he worked at a sporting good store, could he be a hunter? Do they hunt in the woods out there? Just a thought, probably a dumb one.


Just cause I am sick doesn't mean I didn't see that young lady!!!  STOP IT!! ::MonkeyKiss::
Sorry Sunny, I hope you feel better soon.  ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyKiss::  feeling a little better... ::MonkeyWink::  still trying to get all caight up


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 08:56:06 PM
I am going to do a ROBOTS thing and bet the farm he told them!

Ok,, on Nancy Grace the grandmother hired a PI who had two search dogs (for live persons). One dog gets out and if they make a hit, they have the other dog get out to see if he hits... like a double blind thing, I guess... anyway the dogs get in the car and then are left out as the trail goes... Something had to do with the gate at the maintainance yard, then she (hope I get this right) crosses the street, goes along some streets in the neighborhood and gets on the freeway. Now they stop at turnouts and do a dog check.

The dogs made a trail all the way to the Indian Reservation and hit on 3 spots.. He couldn't talk about them because it's an ongoing investigation.

These were "live" searching dogs and not those who look for deceased.

They went down the highway right by the turn off and didn't get a hit.. Remember these are dogs who search for live people.

He wrote a report and turned it over to the grandmother and the Escondido Police.

I am really T-d off. I will bet the farm that LE knew Friday where she was.. remember they are saying she was found early Sat. Morn. but then again, there are runners early AM>


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: joesamas mama on March 08, 2010, 08:56:06 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?

or could it be designating where USA land and reservation land was???
That makes more sense Sunny. Thanks!!!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 08:57:45 PM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



On Nancy Grace ... Marc Klaas shared his suspicions and ... those suspicions reflect mine.

In response ... Nancy Grace indicated that she would be furious ... the public would be furious ... if the prosecutor stuck a deal.

I am a believer in the death penalty but ... when I consider Amber's family living in a perpetual state of not knowing ... I think maybe a deal would be exceptable as long as that monster never experiences another day of freedom.

I would appreciate the opinions of others on this forum.

Thanks
Janet
[/quote

Hi Janet, I agree with your thinking. Besides rapists and child killers don't do well in prison.........he might do the world a favor and kill himself.  But I would really love to see these monsters put to death in a public forum and forget being such a 'civilized society', when dealing with these monsters.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 09:00:12 PM
can't get this to post


I am going to do a ROBOTS thing and bet the farm he told them!

Ok,, on Nancy Grace the grandmother hired a PI who had two search dogs (for live persons). One dog gets out and if they make a hit, they have the other dog get out to see if he hits... like a double blind thing, I guess... anyway the dogs get in the car and then are left out as the trail goes... Something had to do with the gate at the maintainence yard, then she (hope I get this right) crosses the street, goes along some streets in the neighborhood and gets on the freeway. Now they stop at turnouts and do a dog double check.

The dogs made a trail all the way to the Indian Reservation and hit on 3 spots.. He couldn't talk about them because it's an ongoing investigation.

These were "live" searching dogs and not those who look for deceased.

They went down the road right by the turn off and didn't get a hit.. Remember these are dogs who search for live people.

He wrote a report and turned it over to the grandmother and the Escondido Police.

He said that he had gone back to talk to people around the 3 places and the police only followed up, as far as he knows on 1 place

I am really T-d off. I will bet the farm that LE knew Friday where she was.. remember they are saying she was found early Sat. Morn. but then again, there are runners early AM>


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 09:01:19 PM
Meaning JAR not ROBOTS told


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 09:04:31 PM

oh heck I mean the man in the King case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 09:04:47 PM
Grandmother: Police 'Disrespected' Amber By Ignoring Report
Sheila Welch Says Dog Team Picked Up Trail 6 Months Ago

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Amber Dubois' grandmother said she is bouncing between sorrow and anger -- with that anger directed at the Escondido Police Department.

"She should be a sophomore in high school now. But she's not," said Sheila Welch, Amber's grandmother.

Welch told 10News she's a mixed-bag of emotions. She's sad for Amber, but angry at the police because she said they did not consider information gathered by privately hired scent-sniffing dogs.

"They disrespected my granddaughter by ignoring the report," said Welch.

The report showed the dogs had followed Amber's trail from Escondido to the Pala area last August.

When the announcement was made this weekend that Amber's remains were found in the Pala area, it outraged Welch, who had hired the dog team from Virginia.

Welch said a full report was given to Escondido police six months ago.

"And if it turns out that Amber was alive at that point in time … it would be an absolutely unforgivable error in judgment for them to have ignored it," said Welch.

Escondido police did not return 10News' calls.

In the meantime, Welch said she is agonizing over the loss of her granddaughter but wants to make sure it never happens again.

"And how many times are we going to continue to let this happen? Whose child is it going to be next?" said Welch.

Search Team Captain Details Search
Sarah Platts of the VK9 Scent Specific Search and Recovery Unit told 10News from her Virginia home that it took her dogs less than a day to follow Amber's trail to Pala.

"That's where we went. That's where we ended up at and that's what we relayed to the police department," said Platts.

Platts said her team started their search at Amber's Escondido house the first night they were in San Diego County. The dogs took them from the home, past the school and onto Interstate 15. The team put the dogs in a truck, drove north and got out at every exit to search.

"Then we just started working down the interstate until we reached the Pala exit. At that point the dogs wanted to exit the road," said Platts.

The team worked their way inland to a spot near where police found Amber's remains.

"It's always questionable when it's an asset that's brought in by the family. They're held a little bit suspect by the police versus an asset the police department themselves have brought in," said Platts.

Platts said Escondido police never responded to her report.

"If they considered us credible, I don't know. I didn't quite get that feeling that they were very interested in what we had done, though," said Platts.

http://www.10news.com/news/22780380/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 09:10:19 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?

JSM - I'm just not sure.  I know that there are plans in the works to widen highway 76 but this is way off of 76.  I really don't know. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 09:10:46 PM
Grandmom has every right to be rip roaring pizzed off if Escondido LE just tossed the report aside about the dogs trail.  It is a very good thing I don't live down there or I would be going ballistic on someones arse right now until they proved what they did to follow up on the report.   ::MonkeyMad::    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 09:12:37 PM

oh heck I mean the man in the King case.

 ::MonkeyCool::   I know what you meant.  There have been some conflicting reports about this PI and his info.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2010, 09:19:59 PM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



On Nancy Grace ... Marc Klaas shared his suspicions and ... those suspicions reflect mine.

In response ... Nancy Grace indicated that she would be furious ... the public would be furious ... if the prosecutor stuck a deal.

I am a believer in the death penalty but ... when I consider Amber's family living in a perpetual state of not knowing ... I think maybe a deal would be exceptable as long as that monster never experiences another day of freedom.

I would appreciate the opinions of others on this forum.

Thanks
Janet


Hi Janet, I agree with your thinking. Besides rapists and child killers don't do well in prison.........he might do the world a favor and kill himself.  But I would really love to see these monsters put to death in a public forum and forget being such a 'civilized society', when dealing with these monsters.


Thanks for your responses No Rose and SunnyinTX.

I would assume that the truth regarding the origin of the "tip" should be revealed soon.  It is the timing that causes me to suspect that it is Chelsea's killer (JAG).

Good Night All.

Janet
6:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 08, 2010, 09:22:39 PM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



On Nancy Grace ... Marc Klaas shared his suspicions and ... those suspicions reflect mine.

In response ... Nancy Grace indicated that she would be furious ... the public would be furious ... if the prosecutor stuck a deal.

I am a believer in the death penalty but ... when I consider Amber's family living in a perpetual state of not knowing ... I think maybe a deal would be exceptable as long as that monster never experiences another day of freedom.

I would appreciate the opinions of others on this forum.

Thanks
Janet


Hi Janet, I agree with your thinking. Besides rapists and child killers don't do well in prison.........he might do the world a favor and kill himself.  But I would really love to see these monsters put to death in a public forum and forget being such a 'civilized society', when dealing with these monsters.


Thanks for your responses No Rose and SunnyinTX.

I would assume that the truth regarding the origin of the "tip" should be revealed soon.  It is the timing that causes me to suspect that it is Chelsea's killer (JAG).

Good Night All.

Janet
6:20 PM PT


Good Night Janet, I am right behind you. I think he killed Amber as well.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?

JSM - I'm just not sure.  I know that there are plans in the works to widen highway 76 but this is way off of 76.  I really don't know. 

Cartfly made a good find that there are hashs that have taken place out there as well. Not sure what the green symbols are under the white USA writing but here is the map from the hash site.  Looks like they started at the Casino.

http://www.hash.org/hash.cgi?m=12&d=11&y=2009&h=spc


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 09:26:51 PM
Grandmom has every right to be rip roaring pizzed off if Escondido LE just tossed the report aside about the dogs trail.  It is a very good thing I don't live down there or I would be going ballistic on someones arse right now until they proved what they did to follow up on the report.   ::MonkeyMad::    ::MonkeyMad::
That was absolutely uncalled for, the police have a lot of answers they better have for what they did  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 09:29:57 PM
I saw that HASH in Pala link.  Nice find!  I think the Hashers have been all over San Diego and Riverside County.

I'm going to look now


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 09:32:28 PM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



On Nancy Grace ... Marc Klaas shared his suspicions and ... those suspicions reflect mine.

In response ... Nancy Grace indicated that she would be furious ... the public would be furious ... if the prosecutor stuck a deal.

I am a believer in the death penalty but ... when I consider Amber's family living in a perpetual state of not knowing ... I think maybe a deal would be exceptable as long as that monster never experiences another day of freedom.

I would appreciate the opinions of others on this forum.

Thanks
Janet


Hi Janet, I agree with your thinking. Besides rapists and child killers don't do well in prison.........he might do the world a favor and kill himself.  But I would really love to see these monsters put to death in a public forum and forget being such a 'civilized society', when dealing with these monsters.


Thanks for your responses No Rose and SunnyinTX.

I would assume that the truth regarding the origin of the "tip" should be revealed soon.  It is the timing that causes me to suspect that it is Chelsea's killer (JAG).

Good Night All.

Janet
6:20 PM PT


Good Night Janet.  I think if a deal was struck the public would be furious.  He has already had his chance at rehabilitation after beating the tar out of a 13 year old.  Proves yet again that second chances are at the cost of innocent children.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 09:46:19 PM
Another one in the area:

HASH BASH August 29th

Directions to Hash Start (33.365711, -117.159048)

From San Diego:
1. I-15 North and Exit Pala Rd.
2. Turn Left on Pala Rd and go under I-15.
3. Turn Right (North) on Old Highway 395.
4. Turn right at Stewart Canyon Rd - 0.3 mi
5. Turn right at Ankey Rd Start will be on left - 243 ft

From Camp Ground:
1. Head northwest on Lilac Rd toward Lilac Hill - 2.2 mi
2. Turn right at W Lilac Rd - 4.0 mi
3. Turn right at Escondido Expressway/Old Hwy 395 - 4.7 mi
4. Turn right at Stewart Canyon Rd - 0.3 mi
5. Turn right at Ankey Rd Destination will be on the left - 243 ft

http://www.ljh3.com/HashBash09.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 09:48:43 PM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



On Nancy Grace ... Marc Klaas shared his suspicions and ... those suspicions reflect mine.

In response ... Nancy Grace indicated that she would be furious ... the public would be furious ... if the prosecutor stuck a deal.

I am a believer in the death penalty but ... when I consider Amber's family living in a perpetual state of not knowing ... I think maybe a deal would be exceptable as long as that monster never experiences another day of freedom.

I would appreciate the opinions of others on this forum.

Thanks

Janet


To be honest I am on the fense about the DP. Sometimes I am for it, other times I am not. I think it depends on the case. Anyway, with this one I would not mind one bit if they executed JAG for his crime, but if they took it off the table in return for his saying what he did with Amber or other victims, I would approve.
I think the thought of having a poor kid murdered and just dumped is just to horrible to think about.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 09:50:42 PM
I hit post too soon. I want to add no solitary, general population.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 09:56:27 PM
Grandmom has every right to be rip roaring pizzed off if Escondido LE just tossed the report aside about the dogs trail.  It is a very good thing I don't live down there or I would be going ballistic on someones arse right now until they proved what they did to follow up on the report.   ::MonkeyMad::    ::MonkeyMad::

No kidding they have a lot of explaining to do and although they want to save their reputation it is too flippin bad. Not only did they disregard the report but they told the family not to talk about it and they hid it. Can you imagine if that information had come out then? I think we would have had a totally different outcome. There is no excuse for what we have found out, no excuse.


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Post by: IBE on March 08, 2010, 09:57:12 PM
We have learned.... even though we would wish not to have anyone deceased before their time...

I am having difficulty putting this into words...

Dogs who look for deceased would have been nice after the first ones hit on 3 places but I think the family, like most of us, would rely on the LE to follow up.

We must here, make sure their are answers from the LE on this.

I know of a family a missing girl who still pays for searches for her in the ocean just because the unregistered sex offender involved said he panicked and put her there.

Yes, those in CA prisons usually live a longer life then those on death row, but it sure is costly for CA residents.

If the law in place was followed, the one we voted for state=wide was followed we wouldn't have had 17000 released last year.



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Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 10:02:00 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?

JSM - I'm just not sure.  I know that there are plans in the works to widen highway 76 but this is way off of 76.  I really don't know. 

Cartfly made a good find that there are hashs that have taken place out there as well. Not sure what the green symbols are under the white USA writing but here is the map from the hash site.  Looks like they started at the Casino.

http://www.hash.org/hash.cgi?m=12&d=11&y=2009&h=spc

Wow good find! So is this mommy dearests group? I cant' tell one group from another. One butt looks like another after awhile, lol


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:09:21 PM
It is one of the groups that DrZ and ETC has been hashing with based on the pictures but not their home kennel. 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:41:23 PM
How Sex Offenders Are Processed

John Gardner III, a registered sex offender, is suspected of multiple violent crimes. The allegations are raising concern for many about how closely sex offenders are monitored.

Garner is suspected in several cases:

He's suspected in the death of Amber Dubois, 14, of Escondido. The missing teen's body was found Saturday in Pala.
Gardner has already been charged with the murder and rape of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges.
He is also charged with attacking a 22-year-old jogger in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Gardner pleaded not guilty to that charge.
Riverside County Sheriff's Deputies are also investigating a possible connection to an attempted kidnapping in Lake Elsinore in October.
Gardner is a registered sex offender here in Riverside County. He admitted to molesting and beating a neighbor girl in 2000. He served five years in prison before he was released.

"They are required to register for the remainder of their life," said Deputy Randy Paulsen, with the Riverside County Sheriff's Department Palm Desert station. Deputy Paulsen registers sex offenders in the local database which he says is connected statewide.

He says requirements for sex offenders are stringent.

"If they move, they have to notify the jurisdiction where they're moving from and where they're moving to," Paulsen said.

At least once a year, sex offenders are contacted and must update where they live, work, their phone numbers.

Our county's S.A.F.E task force also goes to their homes to do compliance checks. All registered sex offenders are listed on the California Megan's Law website allowing the public to check if a sex offender lives nearby.

Sex Offender Registration

There are 500,000 registered sex offenders across the country, said Mika Moulton, with Christopher's Clubhouse, a youth empowerment non-profit group.

Moulton says 100,000 thousand sex offenders are not listed though.

"(Who) are nowhere to be found. They've disappeared (or moved from) one state or another," Moulton said.

In Gardner's case, he was registered in San Diego County when police believe he attacked a girl in Riverside County. He wasn't considered a person of interest until recently.

Deputy Paulsen says even though sex offenders are monitored closely, the public should always stay vigilant.

"Just because a guy stays in compliance (and everything looks good), you never know," said Paulsen.

"We've got to train our children so they don't become victim," Moulton said, suggesting parents talk to their kids about what to do if they are attacked.

Gardner is scheduled to appear in court Tuesday.

http://www.kpsplocal2.com/Content/Top-Stories/story/How-Sex-Offenders-Are-Processed/1WN1i9yfhUyJmWjmwlgsHw.cspx


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:44:01 PM
"We've got to train our children so they don't become victim," Moulton said, suggesting parents talk to their kids about what to do if they are attacked.  ::MonkeyMad::  I take great offense to this statement.  What a sad state we are in when we have to train our children not to be victims rather then letting them be children.  Though I know it is true, seeing it in print like this reinforces that acceptance of where society is and the broken system that has created it is long overdue for a change.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:45:30 PM
Expert Weighs In On Likelihood Of Local Serial Killer

SAN DIEGO -- Two murder investigations with two very similar stories are now in full stride.

While local authorities are saying very little, they did bridge the gap between the Chelsea King case and the Amber Dubois case by declaring sex offender John Garder -- accused in the death of King -- a focus of the Dubois investigation.

Sheldon Zhang, who studies criminal patterns at San Diego State University, told 10News, "Kidnapping, kidnapping teenagers in this case, Chelsea King's case … it's a sign there's a sex offender out there, not just random serial killers."

Zhang said by looking at the information available, it can be predicted that both crimes were committed by people who wanted to do more than just kill their victims. He said if they just wanted to kill, they may have picked someone other than teenage girls.

"There are a lot easier targets," Zhang said.

Zhang said it's easy to look at the King and Dubois cases and think they are connected. While that may or may not be true, he said what is true is that whoever killed both girls has similar taste in victims.

"Just look at their faces. They're in the prime age; they're prime targets for sex offenders. My hunch is that both cases involve sex offenders, but whether these two cases are connected, I have no idea," said Zhang.

If the cases were committed by a serial killer, it would not be the first time that has happened in San Diego County.

One of the most notorious San Diego serial killers was Cleophus Prince Jr., who was given a death sentence in 1993 for killing six women.

http://www.10news.com/news/22781253/detail.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:49:51 PM
Sky Fox Video of site today

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/3e6deb52-5c74-48b0-b8d8-3d6468ddffd4/News/Sky-Fox-Video-of-Investigators-Combing-Area-Where-Amber-s-Bones-Were-Found-



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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 10:51:25 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?

JSM - I'm just not sure.  I know that there are plans in the works to widen highway 76 but this is way off of 76.  I really don't know. 

Looks like graffiti, we have trees like that all around my neighborhood, why would they put spray praint on a tree in a reservation, maybe its a gang...??


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:56:35 PM
From Twitter:

The vigil for amber dubois was awesome. We all sang amazing grace at the end and held up our candles.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 10:58:23 PM
Shocked, scared and angry: San Diego reacts to Amber Dubois murder  (video)

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (CBS 8) - The discovery of Amber Dubois' remains and the subsequent murder investigation has rocked the county.

San Diegans are shocked, scared and angry in the wake of hearing the tragic news.

In this News 8 video story, more emotional reaction from the community.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=12106322


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 11:06:41 PM
I am shocked that anyone would even do something like this to kids minding their own business. Hashers, gangs. they're all alike.


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Post by: darla on March 08, 2010, 11:07:14 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Finally caught up.....The red pickup in the school parking lot....does anyone remember which video from the Hasher website had Dr. Z thanking the dude for hauling everything to the camp ground in his big azz pickup? Wonder what color that truck was?


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Finally caught up.....The red pickup in the school parking lot....does anyone remember which video from the Hasher website had Dr. Z thanking the dude for hauling everything to the camp ground in his big azz pickup? Wonder what color that truck was?

Darla, I remember it was white.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 08, 2010, 11:17:20 PM
beercheck.com is down, but this site flickr.com/photos/espanol/2921082922/ is still up and it has picture of dr z and more poeple but I have only looked through a couple photos...


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Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 11:28:45 PM
After listening to JAG's male relative that called a LA radio station I have to wonder if he didn't have that clue that led to Amber's body or even the girlfriend of JAG which I think has two kids for him. I am sure this has been discussed here already, I just now was able to listen to it. Anyway, I guess this relative won't be invited to Holiday dinners at Jag's mom's house.... ::MonkeyDevil::

Also I saw there was another radio broadcast today titled "Body Found" that some of you may find interesting to listen to. This is the link, just scroll down to "Body Found" 3/08/10 to listen to it. The interview with the relative is also there further down.

http://www.kfi640.com/common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=JohnandKen (http://www.kfi640.com/common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=JohnandKen)


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Post by: sebastian on March 08, 2010, 11:35:11 PM
There were hundreds of people that came out tonight to show their love and support at the vigil. There were many speakers and Moe, Amber's father hit home. He wants to change the laws so that we have rights and not these predators. It was so wonderful to see the community coming together even though the occasion was so sad. We have to do anything that we can to make sure that our laws protect our children. There were new buttons tonight with Amber's beautiful angelic face. These buttons now say "Justice for Amber". I have no doubt in my mind that the Dubois family will make sure that justice is served. Although I have never met the King family, I feel that they too will make sure that Justice is served for Chelsea. This has been a sad sad time for San Diego County.


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Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 11:39:10 PM
From Twitter:

The vigil for amber dubois was awesome. We all sang amazing grace at the end and held up our candles.
just got back, it was really nice, lots of people, her Dad really urged the crowd to work together for changes to our laws.A good turn out for Amber.


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Post by: sebastian on March 08, 2010, 11:40:53 PM
From Twitter:

The vigil for amber dubois was awesome. We all sang amazing grace at the end and held up our candles.
just got back, it was really nice, lots of people, her Dad really urged the crowd to work together for changes to our laws.A good turn out for Amber.

I knew that there would be a big turnout but I was amazed, weren't you?


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Post by: ChiChi on March 08, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
I think it says, usa temec hwy no I think it is writing from a street/hwy crew

I think you are right Tracygirl, USA Temec HWY NW


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Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 11:46:52 PM
From Twitter:

The vigil for amber dubois was awesome. We all sang amazing grace at the end and held up our candles.
just got back, it was really nice, lots of people, her Dad really urged the crowd to work together for changes to our laws.A good turn out for Amber.

I knew that there would be a big turnout but I was amazed, weren't you?
Yeah I vwas really happy to see the crowd, everybody so focused, where I was standing, lots of heads nodding in agreement when Moe was speaking   ::MonkeyGavel::
We should have worn a monkey pin or something, then we would have spotted you!


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Post by: cartfly on March 08, 2010, 11:48:00 PM
There were hundreds of people that came out tonight to show their love and support at the vigil. There were many speakers and Moe, Amber's father hit home. He wants to change the laws so that we have rights and not these predators. It was so wonderful to see the community coming together even though the occasion was so sad. We have to do anything that we can to make sure that our laws protect our children. There were new buttons tonight with Amber's beautiful angelic face. These buttons now say "Justice for Amber". I have no doubt in my mind that the Dubois family will make sure that justice is served. Although I have never met the King family, I feel that they too will make sure that Justice is served for Chelsea. This has been a sad sad time for San Diego County.

Thanks Mizjay and Sebastian for the updates! I know that it must have been heart breaking to be there. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 08, 2010, 11:52:04 PM
From Twitter:

The vigil for amber dubois was awesome. We all sang amazing grace at the end and held up our candles.
just got back, it was really nice, lots of people, her Dad really urged the crowd to work together for changes to our laws.A good turn out for Amber.

I knew that there would be a big turnout but I was amazed, weren't you?
Yeah I vwas really happy to see the crowd, everybody so focused, where I was standing, lots of heads nodding in agreement when Moe was speaking   ::MonkeyGavel::
We should have worn a monkey pin or something, then we would have spotted you!

I know! But with that crowd it took me forever to find my husband and other daughter. Moe was so inspirational! What an amazing family! Justice for Amber!


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Post by: sebastian on March 08, 2010, 11:55:00 PM
There were hundreds of people that came out tonight to show their love and support at the vigil. There were many speakers and Moe, Amber's father hit home. He wants to change the laws so that we have rights and not these predators. It was so wonderful to see the community coming together even though the occasion was so sad. We have to do anything that we can to make sure that our laws protect our children. There were new buttons tonight with Amber's beautiful angelic face. These buttons now say "Justice for Amber". I have no doubt in my mind that the Dubois family will make sure that justice is served. Although I have never met the King family, I feel that they too will make sure that Justice is served for Chelsea. This has been a sad sad time for San Diego County.

Thanks Mizjay and Sebastian for the updates! I know that it must have been heart breaking to be there. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes, it was heartbreaking but so very touching. You would not believe all of the gifts and flowers. There was also a huge turnout from the Hispanic community in Escondido. It was so nice to see so many people who care. It is like when my kids see these horrible things and I tell them "yes, there are many bad people in this world, but there are so many more good, loving, people". That showed tonight!


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Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 11:56:34 PM
There were hundreds of people that came out tonight to show their love and support at the vigil. There were many speakers and Moe, Amber's father hit home. He wants to change the laws so that we have rights and not these predators. It was so wonderful to see the community coming together even though the occasion was so sad. We have to do anything that we can to make sure that our laws protect our children. There were new buttons tonight with Amber's beautiful angelic face. These buttons now say "Justice for Amber". I have no doubt in my mind that the Dubois family will make sure that justice is served. Although I have never met the King family, I feel that they too will make sure that Justice is served for Chelsea. This has been a sad sad time for San Diego County.

Thanks Mizjay and Sebastian for the updates! I know that it must have been heart breaking to be there. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Ya know Cartfly, I can get so riled up about these things but it is heartbreaking to know that most of these horrible things are preventable. I'm so sick of talking heads using the tragedy de jour for ratings and then the interest in change slowly ebbs away, I pray that the enormity of this is too big to slip under the rug.


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Post by: sebastian on March 08, 2010, 11:59:17 PM
There were hundreds of people that came out tonight to show their love and support at the vigil. There were many speakers and Moe, Amber's father hit home. He wants to change the laws so that we have rights and not these predators. It was so wonderful to see the community coming together even though the occasion was so sad. We have to do anything that we can to make sure that our laws protect our children. There were new buttons tonight with Amber's beautiful angelic face. These buttons now say "Justice for Amber". I have no doubt in my mind that the Dubois family will make sure that justice is served. Although I have never met the King family, I feel that they too will make sure that Justice is served for Chelsea. This has been a sad sad time for San Diego County.

Thanks Mizjay and Sebastian for the updates! I know that it must have been heart breaking to be there. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Ya know Cartfly, I can get so riled up about these things but it is heartbreaking to know that most of these horrible things are preventable. I'm so sick of talking heads using the tragedy de jour for ratings and then the interest in change slowly ebbs away, I pray that the enormity of this is too big to slip under the rug.

I hear what you are saying Mizjay! One of the searchers for Amber said to me tonight "don't get me wrong, I am so happy to see everyone here, but where was everyone when Amber was missing?".


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Post by: cartfly on March 09, 2010, 12:05:11 AM
There were hundreds of people that came out tonight to show their love and support at the vigil. There were many speakers and Moe, Amber's father hit home. He wants to change the laws so that we have rights and not these predators. It was so wonderful to see the community coming together even though the occasion was so sad. We have to do anything that we can to make sure that our laws protect our children. There were new buttons tonight with Amber's beautiful angelic face. These buttons now say "Justice for Amber". I have no doubt in my mind that the Dubois family will make sure that justice is served. Although I have never met the King family, I feel that they too will make sure that Justice is served for Chelsea. This has been a sad sad time for San Diego County.

Thanks Mizjay and Sebastian for the updates! I know that it must have been heart breaking to be there. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Ya know Cartfly, I can get so riled up about these things but it is heartbreaking to know that most of these horrible things are preventable. I'm so sick of talking heads using the tragedy de jour for ratings and then the interest in change slowly ebbs away, I pray that the enormity of this is too big to slip under the rug.
You are so right, everyone has so much interest at first then slowly it becomes a distant memory. Our children depend on us to protect them and we can't continue to fail them this way. I really feel the enoromous amount of attention that Chelsea and Amber are getting may finally change that. There has to be something positive to come out of all of this. These beautiful girls didn't die in vain. I truly hope this tragedy finally brings about change. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: IBE on March 09, 2010, 12:05:12 AM
Where I live they put all the utilities underground a few years ago. I remember "USA" and was laughing with them. Could it be Underground Sewage something??

From the Fox video it looks as if the road continues way into the wilderness. Where does it end?

Does it looks to you all that the body placement was at a trash site loop?


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Post by: IBE on March 09, 2010, 12:06:09 AM
Thanks to all who went tonight. Those ill, please get well. Keep up the Good Works Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: sebastian on March 09, 2010, 12:10:41 AM
Goodnight Monkeys! Thank you for all that you do! Keeping these cases alive and on the net helps so much! Justice for Amber and Chelsea!


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Post by: mizjay on March 09, 2010, 12:12:05 AM
There were hundreds of people that came out tonight to show their love and support at the vigil. There were many speakers and Moe, Amber's father hit home. He wants to change the laws so that we have rights and not these predators. It was so wonderful to see the community coming together even though the occasion was so sad. We have to do anything that we can to make sure that our laws protect our children. There were new buttons tonight with Amber's beautiful angelic face. These buttons now say "Justice for Amber". I have no doubt in my mind that the Dubois family will make sure that justice is served. Although I have never met the King family, I feel that they too will make sure that Justice is served for Chelsea. This has been a sad sad time for San Diego County.

Thanks Mizjay and Sebastian for the updates! I know that it must have been heart breaking to be there. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Ya know Cartfly, I can get so riled up about these things but it is heartbreaking to know that most of these horrible things are preventable. I'm so sick of talking heads using the tragedy de jour for ratings and then the interest in change slowly ebbs away, I pray that the enormity of this is too big to slip under the rug.

I hear what you are saying Mizjay! One of the searchers for Amber said to me tonight "don't get me wrong, I am so happy to see everyone here, but where was everyone when Amber was missing?".

It's a sad fact that sometimes until we are pummeled with unavoidable reality that yes, it could happen to us, yes,  sometimes we don't take the time to be helpful. We always assume that others are doing it, and honestly in Ambers case, it was confusing. It seemed like that LE was alluding that she was a runaway, details about searches were hard to come by thru the paper or LE, it was weeks before I think a lot of ppl. realized that indeed she was missing and had not returned home.  Sadly, in her passing, Amber has helped us to see the importance of taking a stand and working to make our towns safer


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Post by: cartfly on March 09, 2010, 12:12:10 AM
There were hundreds of people that came out tonight to show their love and support at the vigil. There were many speakers and Moe, Amber's father hit home. He wants to change the laws so that we have rights and not these predators. It was so wonderful to see the community coming together even though the occasion was so sad. We have to do anything that we can to make sure that our laws protect our children. There were new buttons tonight with Amber's beautiful angelic face. These buttons now say "Justice for Amber". I have no doubt in my mind that the Dubois family will make sure that justice is served. Although I have never met the King family, I feel that they too will make sure that Justice is served for Chelsea. This has been a sad sad time for San Diego County.

Thanks Mizjay and Sebastian for the updates! I know that it must have been heart breaking to be there. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes, it was heartbreaking but so very touching. You would not believe all of the gifts and flowers. There was also a huge turnout from the Hispanic community in Escondido. It was so nice to see so many people who care. It is like when my kids see these horrible things and I tell them "yes, there are many bad people in this world, but there are so many more good, loving, people". That showed tonight!
I hope the support and love brings Amber's family some peace. I am brought to tears thinking of how a Mother or Dad goes on after something like this. I pray God gives them strength to find happiness again in there lives.


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Post by: cartfly on March 09, 2010, 12:17:49 AM
Where I live they put all the utilities underground a few years ago. I remember "USA" and was laughing with them. Could it be Underground Sewage something??

From the Fox video it looks as if the road continues way into the wilderness. Where does it end?

Does it looks to you all that the body placement was at a trash site loop?
I do not remember the "USA" being on the tree in the initial photos. I wonder too, why it would be there after see the pic of it on the street already.

The loop I "think" might be a turnaround?? I heard something mentioned in the radio broadcast about "turnarounds" in the area though it could be a trash site as well. I am not quite sure. It also looked as though the loop was elevated like on "top" of a hill.


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Post by: Bearlyhere on March 09, 2010, 12:21:46 AM


Did you notice JAG's mom has the same neck he does?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ECTSpank2.jpg)

It seems his MO is to hang out at places where kids are early in the morning.  He appears to attack kids who follow the same routine, for example, Chelsea was home by a certain time every day and Amber also was a girl who didn't seem to stray from routine and was not a wild unpredictable child.  I know what I want to say, I am just having trouble putting it into words.



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Post by: cartfly on March 09, 2010, 12:29:36 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_66bad3c7-e206-5551-86eb-04307f4679c3.html  (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_66bad3c7-e206-5551-86eb-04307f4679c3.html)

Vigil for Amber Dubois draws more than 1500 mourners


A candlelight vigil organized by the family of Amber Dubois drew more than 1,500 people to Escondido High School on Monday, just a day after police announced the skeletal remains of the 14-year-old had been found.

Amber's parents, Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, were among those who spoke and prayed.

Brent and Kelly King, parents of murdered teen Chelsea King, also attended the vigil for Amber. They greeted Amber's parents and the mothers shared a long embrace.

As the vigil came to an end, a spontaneous rendition of "Amazing Grace" started quietly and spread through the crowd.

Earlier in the day, students, staff and teachers filed into Escondido High School on Monday morning, with the grim discovery of Amber Dubois' body heavy on their minds.

The bookish high school freshman vanished while walking to the school Feb. 13, 2009, under similar dark rain clouds that drenched the suburban campus Monday morning. She was 14.

Law enforcement discovered her skeletal remains in Pala on Saturday.

Extra counselors were on hand throughout Monday at Escondido High. Grieving students, teachers and staff reached out to them and one another, said Karyl O'Brien, spokeswoman for the Escondido Union High School District.

Teachers spoke with their classes at length about Amber and issued safety reminders, students said. The school also observed a moment of silence in honor of the teen Monday morning.

Classmates also wrote messages on large banners that will be presented to Amber's family.

"It's just so hard to believe that someone so alive could have their life taken," said Karen Truong, 14, a freshman at the school who knew Amber from middle school.

Truong and others observed growing sets of memorials to Amber along north Broadway in front of the school. Hand-written notes, candles, stuffed animals, including Amber's favorite animal, a wolf, lined the sidewalk.

Near the school's football field, close to where Amber was last spotted alive, three teens from Escondido High's student government placed plastic cups along a fence spelling out the words "Aren't we worth protecting?"

They've contacted students at Poway High School about working together to push for stronger sex offender laws, said Scarlett Meadows, 17, a senior at the school and executive secretary of the school's student government.

Poway High was the school attended by 17-year-old Chelsea King, who disappeared on Feb. 25 at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

A body believed to be Chelsea's was recovered March 2 and registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III has been accused of murder in the commission of a rape or attempted rape in that case. Gardner has pleaded not guilty.

Escondido police issued a statement Monday saying that Gardner remains the focus of the investigation into Amber's murder.

The discovery of Amber's remains caused some who never knew her to stop by Escondido High on Monday.

"I just wanted to come up here to pay my respects," said Margaret Austin of Escondido, who doesn't have any connection to the school or teen but kept a 'missing flier' for Amber attached to her small metal grocery cart for more than a year.

"She was such a beautiful girl," Austin added.

Early in the day, Escondido High School Principal Rich Watkins made a brief statement to reporters.

"The search for Amber has come to a close," he said. "Our hearts go out to her family and friends, and it is a loss for our school and community."

Jen Winters, a ninth-grade algebra teacher at the school, said she reacted with shock upon hearing about Amber's discovery. She left a red begonia plant at the small memorial for the teen along north Broadway outside the school.

"I'm going to be talking with my students today about how they can stay safe in the community," Winters said. "I think that one of the best ways we can honor Amber and Chelsea."

Pausing for a moment in the rain, freshman Ashlynn Simpson, 15, said she hasn't walked to school alone since Amber disappeared.

She added that she was glad, at the very least, that Amber's parents do not have to search anymore for their daughter.

Amber's parents, Moe Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, organized dozens of extensive searches for their daughter over the past 13 months. They thanked the community for its support Sunday.

Chelsea King's parents, Kelly and Brent King, released a statement Monday about this weekend's discovery.

"We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness. We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life."

Sheree Dohanyos, moments after dropping off her son and daughter at Escondido High, said she hasn't found the right words yet to discuss the loss of Amber and Chelsea with her children. She said she's doing all she can to protect her kids, dropping them off each day instead of allowing them to walk.

"We felt if anything good could come from this Chelsea King (tragedy), Amber would be found," Dohanyos said.

Dave Cave, the longtime boyfriend of Amber's mother, spoke briefly outside the north Escondido home where he helped raise the teen.

"Amber's a wonderful girl," he said. "There's going to be a hole in my heart for the rest of my life."

Posted in Escondido on Monday, March 8, 2010 Updated: 8:24 pm. |


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 09, 2010, 12:30:28 AM
You're right, Bearly.  JAG's mom does have the same neck he does.  Looks like her head is on a tree stump, imo.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 01:15:58 AM
Sky Fox Video of site today

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/3e6deb52-5c74-48b0-b8d8-3d6468ddffd4/News/Sky-Fox-Video-of-Investigators-Combing-Area-Where-Amber-s-Bones-Were-Found-



Seeing that area is just chilling. I am so glad Amber has been found and can be laid to rest in a proper fashion.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 01:17:33 AM
"We've got to train our children so they don't become victim," Moulton said, suggesting parents talk to their kids about what to do if they are attacked.  ::MonkeyMad::  I take great offense to this statement.  What a sad state we are in when we have to train our children not to be victims rather then letting them be children.  Though I know it is true, seeing it in print like this reinforces that acceptance of where society is and the broken system that has created it is long overdue for a change.

It's horrible isn't it? I have had to tell my sons what to do in the case they are taken, I know it scared them...it made me very sad to have to do it.


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Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 01:35:01 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/JAGAmberChelsea.jpg)

Police: Man Eyed in 2nd Calif. Teen Murder

Tuesday , March 09, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. —
A registered sex offender charged with murdering a teen girl last month is a focus of the investigation into the death of a 14-year-old girl whose remains were found more than a year after she disappeared near her school, police said Monday.

Police said they are eyeing John Albert Gardner III in the death of Amber Dubois, whose bones were found Saturday in a remote area of the Pala Indian Reservation.

A police statement did not elaborate on the investigation and only said the scene was still being processed. Police Lt. Craig Carter did not immediately respond to a phone message seeking further details.

FBI teams worked under rainy skies during their search of the mountainous area of dense shrubs and rocks.

Gardner, 30, pleaded not guilty last week to murdering and raping or attempting to rape 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway and attempting to rape another woman in December in the same park where King disappeared.

His public defender, Michael Popkins, did not respond to a phone message.

Gardner was expected to make his second court appearance Tuesday in the potential death penalty case.

Police have not revealed how they learned the location of Amber's remains, saying it was part of the ongoing investigation. Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, also declined to say what led authorities to the remains.

However, she said she was grateful for the sense of closure after the long hunt for her daughter.

"I'm managing," McGonigle said in a brief interview. "It was a roller coaster the last year and now we have closure, which is more than a lot of parents have."

Amber disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, near Escondido High School, about 10 miles north of the site where King vanished Feb. 25. A body presumed to be Chelsea was found March 2 in a shallow, lakeside grave, but authorities have said they would not make an official identification until Gardner's preliminary hearing.

At a candlelight vigil Monday night in memory of Amber, McGonigle and Dubois called for better laws to protect children from predators.

"We as parents in the community need to make a change for the protection of our children, Dubois told the more than 1,000 mourners who gathered near the site where Amber vanished.

"I still see a lot of kids walking by themselves and it scares me," McGonigle said.

Escondido High School Principal Rich Watkins called for families to re-evaluate their daily routines and take other measures to protect children.

"Let's work together to make sure we don't have to meet like this again," Watkins said

Brent and Kelly King shared their grief with Amber's family.

"We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness," the Kings said in a statement. "We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber's precious young life."

Friends and classmates put candles, cards, flowers and balloons outside Escondido High School, near the spot where Amber was last seen at 7:10 a.m. that February morning. The school held a moment of silence in her memory. Crisis counselors were on hand to help students deal with their grief.

"They'll be here as long as it takes to make sure we get through this time," Principal Rich Watkins said.

Jeff Fidel skipped work as an investment adviser to stay home with his daughter Jade, who was Amber's best friend. Jade Fidel was watching television Sunday when Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher announced Amber's remains were positively identified through dental records.

"All I heard was a blood-curdling scream," Jeff Fidel recalled. "My wife and I came running in ... It's been rough."

Maher spoke at the Monday night vigil, vowing to work toward a successful prosecution of Amber's killer. "If not closure, we can certainly get justice," Maher said.

Amber, a member of Future Farmers of America, had left home with a $200 check to buy a lamb. It was never cashed, fueling suspicion of foul play.

Paul Levikow, a spokesman for the district attorney's office, said the brief hearing Tuesday would address procedural issues and could involve delaying the preliminary hearing now set for March 19. He declined to comment on the investigation into Amber's death.

Gardner was registered as a sex offender in Escondido, a north San Diego suburb, from January 2008 to January 2010, with some gaps, police said.

He served five years of a six-year prison term for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in San Diego in 2000. He completed parole in September 2008.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 01:43:28 AM
Sebastian and Miz thank you so much for attending the vigil tonight. What a crowd that showed up! I know what you mean about the hispanic community, they really showed up for Sandra Cantu last year.



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Post by: Shell on March 09, 2010, 02:00:31 AM
Amber DuBois' Family Disagrees on Who Killed Her
Father Believes It Was Jailed Sex Offender, Grandmother Thinks Someone Else

The family of Amber DuBois, the missing California teenager whose body was found over the weekend, are divided as to whether she was killed by the same sex offender recently charged with the rape and murder of Chelsea King.

DuBois disppeared more than a year ago and her skeletal remains were discovered Sunday, less than a week after registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, 30, was arrested for the rape and murder of 17-year-old King.

In the aftermath of King's disappearance on Feb. 25, police linked Gardner to several near abductions in the area and speculated he may have played a role in DuBois' disappearance last year.

At a press conference immediately following Gardner's arraignment on March 4, Maurice DuBois said "there are enough similarities" between the two cases that he was confident Dubois and King were both killed by Gardner.

DuBois' grandmother and the private eye the family initially hired to find Amber, however, believe someone other than Gardner else is responsible for killing the Escondido High School student who vanished Feb. 13, 2009.

"The M.O. [modus operandi] for Gardner doesn't fit," said Michelle Bart, spokeswoman Dubois' grandmother Sheila Welch. "He stalks his prey and waited for girls in secluded areas where he could take advantage of them. Amber was walking outside in plain sight with other kids on her way to school. She was excited to get to school that day. She had Valentines and wanted to buy a lamb."

The lamb was part of DuBois' project as a member of the Future Farmers of America.

"Someone had to get her attention, and it is likely it was somebody she knew or trusted," Bart said.

San Diego County sheriffs have said Gardner has not cooperated with police since his arrest, diminishing the chances that he told investigators where to find DuBois' remains.

Authorities said Sunday they were given a tip that led them to find Dubois' body, but would not comment on the details of who led them to the girl's remains, or if she was buried in a shallow grave similar to the one in which King was found.

MORE...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/amber-dubois-family-split-killed-chelsea-kings-suspected/story?id=10045235

A gun would get her attention. A gun was mentioned in some of the attempted abductions.My opinion.


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Post by: Shell on March 09, 2010, 02:26:31 AM
This wannabe detective is speculating that a plea deal has been made with Chelsea's killer  and ... the death penalty has been taken off the table in exchange for ......

However ... I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Janet



On Nancy Grace ... Marc Klaas shared his suspicions and ... those suspicions reflect mine.

In response ... Nancy Grace indicated that she would be furious ... the public would be furious ... if the prosecutor stuck a deal.

I am a believer in the death penalty but ... when I consider Amber's family living in a perpetual state of not knowing ... I think maybe a deal would be exceptable as long as that monster never experiences another day of freedom.

I would appreciate the opinions of others on this forum.

Thanks

Janet


I'm with you Janet. As long as there is no chance he is ever free again.


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Post by: Shell on March 09, 2010, 02:39:02 AM
"We've got to train our children so they don't become victim," Moulton said, suggesting parents talk to their kids about what to do if they are attacked.  ::MonkeyMad::  I take great offense to this statement.  What a sad state we are in when we have to train our children not to be victims rather then letting them be children.  Though I know it is true, seeing it in print like this reinforces that acceptance of where society is and the broken system that has created it is long overdue for a change.

This offended me too. How is a child to be taught what to do when attacked by a big muscular guy who has raped and brutally beaten a 13 year old and should not have been released in society?  ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: Ampersand on March 09, 2010, 06:06:40 AM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?

JSM - I'm just not sure.  I know that there are plans in the works to widen highway 76 but this is way off of 76.  I really don't know. 

Looks like graffiti, we have trees like that all around my neighborhood, why would they put spray praint on a tree in a reservation, maybe its a gang...??

Just feeling so helpless over all of this - one thing I could do was find out what the marking was for...

Underground Service Alert (USA) is an organization that provides information about underground utilities at proposed excavation sites in California and Nevada as a free service. Homeowners, excavators and professional contractors who are digging, blasting, trenching, drilling, grading, or excavating regularly use USA's services. Sites marked for investigation will often have a recognizable "USA" in spray paint on pavement, or be labeled in some other way.

USA began operation in 1975 and incorporated as a Non Profit Mutual Benefit Corporation in 1986. USA receives planned excavation reports from public and private excavators and transmits those reports to participating members of USA. USA members include private companies and public agencies that have underground lines or facilities. The USA members will either mark or stake their facility, provide information or give clearance to dig.


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Post by: cookie on March 09, 2010, 09:29:18 AM
RIP Amber....
thanks Monkeys for all the updates....
Miz and Sebastian..thanks for going to the vigil...you represented the rest of us Monkeys who could not be there with you....I am glad that you went for Amber....and her family... ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 09:32:25 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/parents-call-for-strict-laws-against-predators/
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/UTI1505449_t352.jpg)

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/09/100309duboismem_t352.jpg)

Jailed suspect remains focus of investigation
Parents call for strict laws against predators

(snipped)


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Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 09:34:06 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/22783378/detail.html

John Gardner To Appear In Court Today
Status Conference Scheduled For John Gardner


POSTED: 4:02 am PST March 9, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- A registered sex offender who has been charged in the killing of 17-year-old Chelsea King and is the focus of an investigation into the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois is scheduled to be in court Tuesday for a status conference.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, is charged with murder in the death of King, who disappeared Feb. 25 while running behind Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found five days later in a shallow grave near a tributary of Lake Hodges.

The charges against Gardner include a sentencing-enhancing allegation of murder during the commission of a rape or attempted rape. He could face the death penalty if convicted.

A decision on what penalty Gardner will face will be determined after a preliminary hearing, which is set for March 18 and is intended to help a judge determine if the evidence warrants ordering him to stand trial.

Gardner is also charged with sexually assaulting a woman in the same park Dec. 27.

Additionally, authorities in Escondido have said Gardner is the focus of their investigation into the disappearance and murder of Dubois, whose skeletal remains were found Saturday in Pala. Gardner has not been charged in Dubois' death.

The defendant was in court Monday after attorneys from the San Diego Union-Tribune asked a judge to unseal a probation report prepared for the defendant's 2000 sentencing for molesting a 13-year-old girl in the same area.

Judge David Danielsen ordered the report unsealed but suspended the order until Wednesday morning in case Gardner's attorneys wanted to appeal to his ruling.

Danielsen said he had to weigh the public's right to access court records versus the "very significant" right of the defendant to get a fair trial.

The judge said most, if not all, of the facts contained in the 2000 probation report have been disclosed already.

The report would normally be sealed, but if a person is charged with a subsequent crime, the law allows for it to be unsealed, the judge said.

In the 2000 case, the 13-year-old victim said Gardner repeatedly punched her in the face and fondled her at his mother's townhouse, which is about a mile from Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Gardner subsequently pleaded guilty, was sentenced to six years in prison and was released in 2005. He was on probation until 2008 and registered as a sex offender using his grandmother's Lake Elsinore address, but he reportedly had been staying with his mother lately.

Defense attorney Mel Epley said his client was mentioned by authorities in connection with the the Dubois investigation and urged Danielsen to order law enforcement personnel, prosecutors, defense attorneys and court officials not to make any comment on the pending case. Danielsen said it wouldn't be appropriate for officials to comment.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 09:36:51 AM
Thank-you so much for the info and pictures from the vigil, so wonderful that so many people attended  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 09, 2010, 09:44:03 AM
Today, as I went into the jail on one of my 3x weekly assignments, I had the distinct displeasure of removing the Missing Person/Reward poster for Amber. Why is this worthy of mention? One, because the reward was up to $100,000. Two, I live in Northern Michigan! I was amazed that we would have that poster all the way up here. It's the only one I've ever seen at my jail. It was sad to take it down.

Good Morning Monks.  Tevye that was bittersweet for sure.


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 09, 2010, 10:04:48 AM
Sebastian and Mizjay thank you for sharing your experience with us...........I am glad so many people turned out for the vigil.

Ampersand thanks for clearing up the USA for us

And hanks to Klaas and everyone who keeps this and our other threads up to date.


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Post by: labubske on March 09, 2010, 10:08:14 AM
Today, as I went into the jail on one of my 3x weekly assignments, I had the distinct displeasure of removing the Missing Person/Reward poster for Amber. Why is this worthy of mention? One, because the reward was up to $100,000. Two, I live in Northern Michigan! I was amazed that we would have that poster all the way up here. It's the only one I've ever seen at my jail. It was sad to take it down.

Good Morning Monks.  Tevye that was bittersweet for sure.

I am sure that was difficult.  As long as the poster is up it provides hope.  It is good to know that they placed this poster at the jails nationwide...sometimes other criminals are aware/or have street knowledge of the incident and would be happy to give information, of course, in return for a lighter sentence.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 10:48:39 AM
John and Ken on KFI today received an email from someone who allegedly spoke to a Pala LEO who stated Gardner was brought into Pala Friday night by the police. I just saw this on WS, I haven't listened to that radio show, wondered if anyone did.


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Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 09, 2010, 10:53:52 AM
John and Ken on KFI today received an email from someone who allegedly spoke to a Pala LEO who stated Gardner was brought into Pala Friday night by the police. I just saw this on WS, I haven't listened to that radio show, wondered if anyone did.
::MonkeyEek:: Wow I am going to see if I can find that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 10:57:36 AM
John and Ken on KFI today received an email from someone who allegedly spoke to a Pala LEO who stated Gardner was brought into Pala Friday night by the police. I just saw this on WS, I haven't listened to that radio show, wondered if anyone did.
::MonkeyEek:: Wow I am going to see if I can find that.

Try here, I haven't listened yet

http://www.kfi640.com/common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=JohnandKen


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 10:58:20 AM
John and Ken on KFI today received an email from someone who allegedly spoke to a Pala LEO who stated Gardner was brought into Pala Friday night by the police. I just saw this on WS, I haven't listened to that radio show, wondered if anyone did.
::MonkeyEek:: Wow I am going to see if I can find that.

Try here, I haven't listened yet

http://www.kfi640.com/common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=JohnandKen
Thank-you


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 09, 2010, 11:13:17 AM
John and Ken on KFI today received an email from someone who allegedly spoke to a Pala LEO who stated Gardner was brought into Pala Friday night by the police. I just saw this on WS, I haven't listened to that radio show, wondered if anyone did.
::MonkeyEek:: Wow I am going to see if I can find that.

Try here, I haven't listened yet

http://www.kfi640.com/common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=JohnandKen
Thanks Klaas


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 11:15:46 AM
O/T Elizabeth Johnson set to appear in court for Baby Gabriel case , but refusing to leave her cell.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 09, 2010, 11:22:11 AM
O/T Elizabeth Johnson set to appear in court for Baby Gabriel case , but refusing to leave her cell.
::MonkeyShocked:: Thanks Northern Rose


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 11:27:47 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_7a7449b1-6a3d-5930-a68b-c0373e775ad1.html

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REGION: Gardner named 'focus' of Amber Dubois investigation

Escondido police name suspect in Chelsea King killing as person of interest

By SARAH GORDON and EDWARD SIFUENTES - sgordon@nctimes.com - esifuentes@nctimes.com | Posted: Monday, March 8, 2010 9:43 pm

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III is under investigation for the killing of Amber Dubois, the Escondido teen who disappeared 13 months ago and whose remains were discovered Saturday near the Pala Indian Reservation, police said Monday.

"The Amber Dubois crime scene is still being processed and John Albert Gardner III remains a focus of the investigation," Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said in a prepared statement.

Gardner was charged Wednesday with murder in the commission of a rape or attempted rape in the killing of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. Chelsea was reported missing Feb. 25; a body believed to be Chelsea's was discovered March 2 in a shallow grave in the Lake Hodges area.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty.

Amber's remains were found early Saturday after what police have described only as a "lead" in their investigation.

"They would be derelict not to consider (Gardner) in this investigation," said Kerry Steigerwalt, a prominent San Diego defense attorney. "Let's give the police the time they need to make the case as solidly as they can make it."

Steigerwalt said it's unlikely that Gardner gave police information on Amber's case because his defense attorneys would have advised him against talking to investigators.

Gardner's attorney, Deputy Public Defender Michael Popkins, declined to comment on the latest police statement.

The 30-year-old Gardner has pleaded not guilty to the charges in the Chelsea King case.

He is due to appear Tuesday morning in San Diego County Superior Court for a scheduled status conference with defense attorneys and prosecutors.

Gardner lived in Escondido from January 2008 to January 2010.

Police said they contacted him eight times during that period and began a fresh look at him and any possible ties to Amber after his arrest in connection with Chelsea's killing.

Police released no further details Monday about the information that led them to Saturday's discovery.

It was unclear whether the Chelsea King investigation led authorities to Amber's remains, more than a year after the 14-year-old disappeared while walking to Escondido High School.

Riverside County sheriff's officials said Monday that they are continuing to investigate whether Gardner is connected to an attempted abduction in October of a Lake Elsinore girl.

Gardner registered his address in Lakeland Village, just outside Lake Elsinore, in early January.

Riverside County authorities also are investigating whether Gardner is connected to any sexual assaults or missing persons cases in the area.

But he is not labeled a "suspect" in any case, sheriff's Sgt. Joseph Borja said.

On Monday, Michelle Bart, a spokeswoman for Amber's maternal grandmother, Sheila Welch, said she and Welch are questioning why it took police until Saturday to find Amber when specially trained private search dogs picked up her scent in the same Pala area in August.

Search for clues continues

Law enforcement teams continued to scour a scrubby, rocky hillside west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of Highway 76, where Amber's body was found.

Two officers guarded the single-lane road that leads up the hillside from Pala Temecula Road.

At the Pala Indian Reservation, a small group of men were talking Monday morning outside a grocery store about the discovery of Amber's remains near their small community.

All of them said they were upset that some news organizations had reported that the body had been found on the reservation.

"We don't like it because they say Pala," said Alan Majado, 59, a resident of the reservation.

Majado added that the reports make Pala sound like a "dumping ground."

In 1991, the remains of 7-year-old Leticia Hernandez, who had been missing from her Oceanside home for 15 months, were discovered in a remote canyon about three miles south of the Riverside County line near the reservation.

Gardner would have been 9 years old at the time of her disappearance.

The August effort

Amber was 14 when she was reported missing Feb. 13, 2009.

After months of investigation turned up no viable leads, Maine's VK9 Scent Specific Search Recovery offered the services of its dogs in August.

Welch paid the team's expenses.

Handler Julie Jones said the two Labrador retrievers used in that search effort have a proven ability to track an old scent trail, even if the missing person has traveled in a car.

For three days, the two handlers, Bart, an Escondido police officer and a private investigator Welch hired followed the dogs.

Both dogs picked up Amber's scent at her north Escondido home and followed it to Interstate 15, Jones said.

The animals and their handlers walked part of the way, Jones said.

When it was clear they were following a freeway, they traveled by car.

At off-ramps, the dogs were let out to test whether the trail continued north, Jones said.

At Highway 76, the dogs picked up Amber's scent and headed steadily toward Pala, Jones said.

Around the Pala Mission, and for approximately three miles north on Pala Temecula Road, the dogs found Amber's scent in numerous locations, the handler said.

In the area Amber's remains were found, the dogs again followed a trail, Jones said.

"Our reports are that we could not find any exit trail for Amber in the Pala area, so it either meant to us she is alive and she's there, or that she's there but no longer alive," Jones said.

Bart said the dogs' response amazed her, and she submitted a report to Escondido police describing the dogs' unequivocal path.

"The dogs were going crazy," she said. "Where they really went nuts was in the residential area across the street from the casino."

Jones said the dogs did not indicate a scent trail anywhere else.

The search team briefed Escondido detectives, emphasizing their belief that Amber was still in the Pala area.

But Jones acknowledged that traditional search and rescue experts are often skeptical of the dogs' abilities.

'Brazen claim'

Bart said family members wonder whether police ever followed up.

In September, Amber's parents, Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, who are long separated, accused police of "dropping the ball" in following the Pala leads.

It was not clear Monday whether they still hold that opinion.

However, Dave Cave, who lived with McGonigle and helped raise Amber for years before her disappearance, said it's too early to question whether police properly followed up on tips in Pala.

"I don't have enough facts to feel anything (about the job they did in Pala) and neither does Sheila or anyone else," Cave said.

In September, Lt. Bob Benton defended the department's response to the private search reports, noting that an Escondido police officer accompanied the search team in Pala.

Michael Boyle, an Orange County Fire Authority battalion chief who worked with search dogs as part of a multi-agency search and rescue task force for almost 20 years, called it a "pretty brazen claim" that dogs could follow a 6-month-old outdoor trail.

"There are so many variables" that can degrade a scent trail, even for the most sensitive dogs, Boyle said. "Hopefully, it doesn't rain and the wind doesn't blow."

Staff writer Chris Nichols contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 11:31:18 AM
Gardner is expected in court this morning at 9:30am in the Chelsea King case:

http://www.10news.com/index.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on March 09, 2010, 11:42:19 AM
Sebastian and Mizjay thank you for sharing your experience with us...........I am glad so many people turned out for the vigil.

Ampersand thanks for clearing up the USA for us

And hanks to Klaas and everyone who keeps this and our other threads up to date.

it was a privilege to be able to go   ::MonkeyAngel::   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 09, 2010, 11:43:03 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/JAGAmberChelsea.jpg)

Police: Man Eyed in 2nd Calif. Teen Murder

Tuesday , March 09, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. —
A registered sex offender charged with murdering a teen girl last month is a focus of the investigation into the death of a 14-year-old girl whose remains were found more than a year after she disappeared near her school, police said Monday.

Police said they are eyeing John Albert Gardner III in the death of Amber Dubois, whose bones were found Saturday in a remote area of the Pala Indian Reservation.

A police statement did not elaborate on the investigation and only said the scene was still being processed. Police Lt. Craig Carter did not immediately respond to a phone message seeking further details.

FBI teams worked under rainy skies during their search of the mountainous area of dense shrubs and rocks.

Gardner, 30, pleaded not guilty last week to murdering and raping or attempting to rape 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway and attempting to rape another woman in December in the same park where King disappeared.

His public defender, Michael Popkins, did not respond to a phone message.

Gardner was expected to make his second court appearance Tuesday in the potential death penalty case.

Police have not revealed how they learned the location of Amber's remains, saying it was part of the ongoing investigation. Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, also declined to say what led authorities to the remains.

However, she said she was grateful for the sense of closure after the long hunt for her daughter.

"I'm managing," McGonigle said in a brief interview. "It was a roller coaster the last year and now we have closure, which is more than a lot of parents have."

Amber disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, near Escondido High School, about 10 miles north of the site where King vanished Feb. 25. A body presumed to be Chelsea was found March 2 in a shallow, lakeside grave, but authorities have said they would not make an official identification until Gardner's preliminary hearing.

At a candlelight vigil Monday night in memory of Amber, McGonigle and Dubois called for better laws to protect children from predators.

"We as parents in the community need to make a change for the protection of our children, Dubois told the more than 1,000 mourners who gathered near the site where Amber vanished.

"I still see a lot of kids walking by themselves and it scares me," McGonigle said.

Escondido High School Principal Rich Watkins called for families to re-evaluate their daily routines and take other measures to protect children.

"Let's work together to make sure we don't have to meet like this again," Watkins said

Brent and Kelly King shared their grief with Amber's family.

"We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness," the Kings said in a statement. "We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber's precious young life."

Friends and classmates put candles, cards, flowers and balloons outside Escondido High School, near the spot where Amber was last seen at 7:10 a.m. that February morning. The school held a moment of silence in her memory. Crisis counselors were on hand to help students deal with their grief.

"They'll be here as long as it takes to make sure we get through this time," Principal Rich Watkins said.

Jeff Fidel skipped work as an investment adviser to stay home with his daughter Jade, who was Amber's best friend. Jade Fidel was watching television Sunday when Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher announced Amber's remains were positively identified through dental records.

"All I heard was a blood-curdling scream," Jeff Fidel recalled. "My wife and I came running in ... It's been rough."

Maher spoke at the Monday night vigil, vowing to work toward a successful prosecution of Amber's killer. "If not closure, we can certainly get justice," Maher said.

Amber, a member of Future Farmers of America, had left home with a $200 check to buy a lamb. It was never cashed, fueling suspicion of foul play.

Paul Levikow, a spokesman for the district attorney's office, said the brief hearing Tuesday would address procedural issues and could involve delaying the preliminary hearing now set for March 19. He declined to comment on the investigation into Amber's death.

Gardner was registered as a sex offender in Escondido, a north San Diego suburb, from January 2008 to January 2010, with some gaps, police said.

He served five years of a six-year prison term for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in San Diego in 2000. He completed parole in September 2008.


It makes me crazy when the media puts these angels' faces next to this monster!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 09, 2010, 11:46:04 AM
O/T Elizabeth Johnson set to appear in court for Baby Gabriel case , but refusing to leave her cell.

thanks NR, I hope they drag her ass out and cart her to jail in a straight jacket!!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 09, 2010, 11:48:43 AM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/08/duboistape_t352.jpg)
A law enforcement officer attaches police tape to a tree along Pala Temecula Rd. north of Highway 76 at the road that leads up to the site where the body of Amber Dubois was found

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/

Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.
Charlie Neuman / Union-Tribune


The convicted sex offender charged in the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: KLAAS, on the tree is USA and on the street earlier there was spray painted USA  and some other words. Was that from LE or from something else? I mean the arrows on the street saying USA and on the street? Sorry if this has already been asked. TIA JSM Could it be for a marathon or one of those hashin things?

JSM - I'm just not sure.  I know that there are plans in the works to widen highway 76 but this is way off of 76.  I really don't know. 

Looks like graffiti, we have trees like that all around my neighborhood, why would they put spray praint on a tree in a reservation, maybe its a gang...??

Just feeling so helpless over all of this - one thing I could do was find out what the marking was for...

Underground Service Alert (USA) is an organization that provides information about underground utilities at proposed excavation sites in California and Nevada as a free service. Homeowners, excavators and professional contractors who are digging, blasting, trenching, drilling, grading, or excavating regularly use USA's services. Sites marked for investigation will often have a recognizable "USA" in spray paint on pavement, or be labeled in some other way.

USA began operation in 1975 and incorporated as a Non Profit Mutual Benefit Corporation in 1986. USA receives planned excavation reports from public and private excavators and transmits those reports to participating members of USA. USA members include private companies and public agencies that have underground lines or facilities. The USA members will either mark or stake their facility, provide information or give clearance to dig.

That makes sense I guess for underground services, I was wrong about it being gang related, it would be plausible for hashers to graffiti a tree to satisfy their rambunctious antics.  Thanks for the info, Ampersand.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 12:46:39 PM
Preliminary hearing set for August 4th for John Gardner.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
Preliminary hearing set for August 4th for John Gardner.
Thank-you, so that was changed, figures  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 12:49:43 PM
LIVE CBS 8 STREAM: FATHER OF AMBER DUBOIS REACTS TO GARDNER HEARING

http://www.cbs8.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a719.l5912456718.c59124.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/719/59124/v0001/reflector%3A56718&LiveURI=mms%3A//a719.l5912456718.c59124.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/719/59124/v0001/reflector%3A56718&h1=CBS%208%20Live&at1=News%20-%20Live%20Stream&LiveURITitle=CBS%208%20Live&LaunchPageAdTag=News%20-%20Live%20Stream&fvCatNo=undefined&secure=undefined&akPort=undefined&akProfile=undefined&rnd=89128981


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 12:58:09 PM
twitter:

knx1070: BREAKING: Gag order placed on all legal proceedings surrounding Chelsea King murder suspect John Gardner
less than a minute ago from web


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 01:03:39 PM
twitter:

knx1070: BREAKING: Gag order placed on all legal proceedings surrounding Chelsea King murder suspect John Gardner
less than a minute ago from web
Thanks


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: numbersgirl on March 09, 2010, 01:25:13 PM
Thanks to all Monkeys for brining information forward.

Re:  Gag order.  Is that common?  Does anyone think he's talking to LE about possible other vicitims?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2010, 01:26:14 PM
It is common


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2010, 01:37:30 PM
"They would be derelict not to consider (Gardner) in this investigation," said Kerry Steigerwalt, a prominent San Diego defense attorney. "Let's give the police the time they need to make the case as solidly as they can make it."

Steigerwalt said it's unlikely that Gardner gave police information on Amber's case because his defense attorneys would have advised him against talking to investigators.



Information did come in and the location was revealed by some person with Knowledge..
That person will someday be revealed.. Not today.

Just relax and let our justice system operate.

He is done.. Thank God


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2010, 01:41:47 PM
A note from Pearl at BFN..  ::MonkeyHeart::

I'm glad this child is now going to be resting where those who love her will come, say good things to her and let her know how much they miss her.  It is a sad find, but a win find for those who know, love, and miss her. 

My condolences to all as fear now turns to grief and anger at this horrific taking of life.  I so hope it was this same monster and that he will never again be free to roam among the innocent.  Evil less by 1.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cw618 on March 09, 2010, 03:02:07 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/king-suspects-gold-pontiac-figures-in/

pics
http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/mar/07/amber-found/


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/parents-call-for-strict-laws-against-predators/
The Amber Dubois Case
Jailed suspect remains focus of investigation
Parents call for strict laws against predators
By Michael Burge, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Tuesday, March 9, 2010 at 12:03 a.m.

The parents of slain Escondido teenager Amber Dubois asked mourners last night to turn their anguish into action by pushing for tougher penalties and stricter laws to protect children from predators. Hours earlier, Escondido police said the investigation into Amber’s death remains focused on convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III.

Amber’s parents, Moe Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, joined more than 1,000 people at Escondido High School for a candlelight vigil in memory of their daughter, whose remains were found Saturday in a wooded hillside in Pala after a 13-month search.

Escondido police say Gardner, who was charged last week with raping and murdering Poway teenager Chelsea King, continues to be a suspect in Amber’s case.

Dubois told those at the vigil: “Please take a minute for every tear you have ever shed for Amber, for Chelsea and for any other child who has suffered at the hands of these predators, and come back tomorrow and take just as many minutes of action in our fight to protect our children.”

McGonigle added: “We do need to make changes, and hopefully with the support of all the parents, we’ll be able to change the laws to make things safe.”

It was the second vigil in a week to commemorate a North County teenager. Thousands attended a similar event March 2 for Chelsea at a Poway church. The teens’ disappearances were eerily familiar, and each story ended in tragedy.

Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher told the hushed crowd last night that there’s never closure in a case like Amber’s but that their support helps the family heal.

“The Escondido Police Department, San Diego Sheriff’s Department, FBI and all the other agencies have and will continue to do everything else to bring this investigation to a resolution and successful prosecution,” Maher said.

Investigators have questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance after he was arrested Feb. 28 in the Chelsea King case. Escondido police issued a statement yesterday to say Gardner, who received six years in prison in 2000 for molesting and falsely imprisoning a 13-year-old girl, remains “a focus” of their investigation.

Amber, a 14-year-old Escondido High School freshman, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class. Her skeletal remains were found Saturday west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. Police kept people out of the area yesterday as they searched for evidence.

In August, two dogs from Virginia-based VK9 Scent Specific Search and Recovery Unit, an organization dedicated to finding missing people, searched for Amber at her family’s request. The dogs were given Amber’s scent and tracked it to Pala. The information was passed along to police.

In an interview last month, Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said detectives went to Pala and interviewed many people, most of whom were aware of Amber’s disappearance but none recalled ever having seen her. Then, in November, a different set of tracking dogs, often used by the FBI, were brought in to see if they could duplicate the finding. They could not.

Dubois had nothing but praise of law enforcement officials yesterday, but he did say he is angry about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared. He said that neither he nor McGonigle has spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s remains were found.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune in a phone interview Sunday afternoon that the tip leading investigators to Amber’s remains did not come from Gardner. A few minutes later, when he was asked again about the tip and how he knew it didn’t come from Gardner, Garcia said, “I talked to someone who knows it firsthand.” He said he couldn’t say any more without getting into trouble.

Garcia changed his story when contacted yesterday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”

Garcia said he hasn’t worked for the family in nearly a year but has been doing some investigating on his own and feeding all of his findings to Escondido police.

Gardner, 30, of Lake Elsinore, could face the death penalty if convicted in Chelsea’s death. She disappeared Feb. 25 while heading for an afternoon jog at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found March 2 in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges, about a half-mile from where her car was parked.

Semen found on Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest.

Chelsea’s parents, Kelly and Brent King, released a brief statement yesterday.

“We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness,” they said. “We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber’s precious young life.”

Staff writer John Wilkens contributed to this report.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cw618 on March 09, 2010, 03:04:06 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/king-suspects-gold-pontiac-figures-in/

King suspect’s gold Pontiac figures in investigation
Possible link with other cases noted
By Matthew T. Hall, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 10:01 p.m.

The car used in the attempted abduction of a Lake Elsinore girl in October was hardly nondescript. It was a gold 1990s four-door sedan.

Turns out the man accused last week of raping and killing Poway teenager Chelsea King drove a gold 1999 Pontiac with four doors. He was most recently living and registered as a convicted sex offender in Lake Elsinore.

John Albert Gardner III was driving the Pontiac in June when he was stopped on Interstate 15 near Escondido going 82 mph in a 70-mph zone, according to court records The San Diego Union-Tribune obtained Monday. 

A California Highway Patrol officer cited him for driving without proof of insurance.

DMV records show Gardner has owned the car since June.

Gardner, whose face resembles an artist’s sketch authorities released after the Oct. 28 incident in Lake Elsinore, lived less than four miles away from where the attempted abduction occurred.

Sgt. Joe Borja, a spokesman for the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department, which is investigating the incident, said deputies know about the car Gardner drove but are looking for “something solid.”

“Many people drive gold Pontiacs,” Borja said. “I would venture to say that if you called Pontiac and asked them how many they put out, it’s a big number.”

He said the car connection is “big enough to be interesting, but it’s not big enough to file a case on him at this point.”

Borja said Gardner has not been named as a suspect in the October incident in which a young girl, whose name and age authorities are not releasing, said she was walking to a friend’s house before school when a man in a car approached her. He asked for directions, showed her a handgun and demanded she get in.

She refused and ran away.

She described him as unshaven, white, 30 to 35 years old, with a fair complexion, blond crew cut and brown eyes. Gardner is 30.

He was paroled in September 2005 after serving five years in prison for molesting a 14-year-old girl when he was 20. Since then, he has lived in Escondido and Lake Elsinore, and stayed at times with his mother in Rancho Bernardo.

He has been cited for several traffic violations since December 2006, when he failed to stop at a red light in Loma Linda. He was cited for marijuana possession in Buccaneer Park in Oceanside in November 2008 and for an open container of alcohol and not having his license in Escondido last April.

Riverside County deputies began exploring Gardner’s potential involvement in their attempted abduction after he was charged Wednesday with 17-year-old Chelsea’s murder.

A news release about the investigation had been removed from the sheriff’s Web site but was restored, along with the artist’s composite sketch, on Thursday.

Matthew Hall:(619) 542-4599; matthew.hall@uniontrib.com

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http://www.signonsandiego.com/two-stolen-lives/

Stolen Lives: Amber Dubois and Chelsea King


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2010, 03:37:54 PM
Has anything official been revealed in regards to the origin of the tip.

Considering the timeframe encompassing the finding of Amber's remains ... I suspect that JAG may have been offered a plea deal.

On the other hand ... maybe the August, 2009 findings of the private investigator hired by Amber's grandmother were disregarded by LE and ... were only investigated recently to establish a possible link between the Amber and Chelsea cases.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - March 8, 2010

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION:  Nancy, I don`t believe in the coincidence of crime. I believe there is direct linkage between these two cases. Something has occurred in the Chelsea case with Gardner that has led the officials to the remains of Amber. There`s no doubt in my mind about that at all.

And I agree with you, I hope that it`s not some kind of a compromise, some kind of a plea deal to keep this character off of death row, which is exactly where he belongs to be -- or exactly where he belongs.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: I can tell you this much, Marc Klaas. If they have cut a deal with the devil and spared him the California death penalty in exchange for those whereabouts of her remains, there`s going to be hell to pay.

KLAAS: Well, the irony is, is that they don`t actually execute in California, which is unfortunate. But you know, if he`s not the one, if somebody else did it, then there`s another homicidal maniac on the loose in San Diego, and that`s the last thing anybody needs to hear.

<snipped>

LAWRENCE OLMSTEAD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY AMBER DUBOIS` GRANDMOTHER:  What happens is they (dogs) hit at three locations within the Indian Reservation. And we immediately followed up with people in these locations. Each one of the locations, for one, had people associated with it at the time we were there.

And immediately to, you know, speak to people we started interviewing witnesses, people that were at these locations, learned as much as we can about the locations and obviously showed flyers and photographs and tried to establish whether or not had anyone seen her, Amber, at these locations.

GRACE: Well, did you give the information to police?  

OLMSTEAD: We did. On August 24th I prepared a final report on our visit to Pala to my client and we also supplied Escondido Police Department a copy of the same report for their review and follow-up investigation.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/08/ng.01.html



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Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 03:44:55 PM
Suspect in King homicide still a focus of Dubois case

The convicted sex offender charged with the slaying of Poway teenager Chelsea King remains the focus of the investigation into the slaying of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, Escondido police said Monday.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter issued a statement saying John Albert Gardner III continues to be a suspect as investigators search the hillside in Pala where 14-year-old Amber’s skeletal remains were found Saturday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said Monday that he couldn’t discuss any details of the investigation that have been shared with him. He said police have not told the family what led them to his daughter’s remains.

“We’re on a gag order,” he said.

Investigators have openly questioned whether Gardner played a role in Amber’s disappearance since semen on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing led to Gardner’s arrest on Feb. 28. The police statement appears to indicate that those questions remain even after the discovery of Amber’s remains.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward campus an hour before class. Until Gardner’s arrest, police said they knew nothing more about her whereabouts than they did on the day she went missing.

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning keeping people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, were told the news.

“Everything is going to change for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be so much different.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/gardner-still-amber-dubois-suspect/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 03:47:10 PM
Has anything official been revealed in regards to the origin of the tip.

Considering the timeframe encompassing the finding of Amber's remains ... I suspect that JAG may have been offered a plea deal.

On the other hand ... maybe the August, 2009 findings of the private investigator hired by Amber's grandmother were disregarded by LE and ... were only investigated recently to establish a possible link between the Amber and Chelsea cases.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - March 8, 2010

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION:  Nancy, I don`t believe in the coincidence of crime. I believe there is direct linkage between these two cases. Something has occurred in the Chelsea case with Gardner that has led the officials to the remains of Amber. There`s no doubt in my mind about that at all.

And I agree with you, I hope that it`s not some kind of a compromise, some kind of a plea deal to keep this character off of death row, which is exactly where he belongs to be -- or exactly where he belongs.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: I can tell you this much, Marc Klaas. If they have cut a deal with the devil and spared him the California death penalty in exchange for those whereabouts of her remains, there`s going to be hell to pay.

KLAAS: Well, the irony is, is that they don`t actually execute in California, which is unfortunate. But you know, if he`s not the one, if somebody else did it, then there`s another homicidal maniac on the loose in San Diego, and that`s the last thing anybody needs to hear.

<snipped>

LAWRENCE OLMSTEAD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY AMBER DUBOIS` GRANDMOTHER:  What happens is they (dogs) hit at three locations within the Indian Reservation. And we immediately followed up with people in these locations. Each one of the locations, for one, had people associated with it at the time we were there.

And immediately to, you know, speak to people we started interviewing witnesses, people that were at these locations, learned as much as we can about the locations and obviously showed flyers and photographs and tried to establish whether or not had anyone seen her, Amber, at these locations.

GRACE: Well, did you give the information to police?  

OLMSTEAD: We did. On August 24th I prepared a final report on our visit to Pala to my client and we also supplied Escondido Police Department a copy of the same report for their review and follow-up investigation.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/08/ng.01.html



Nothing offical Janet.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 03:48:13 PM
Disappearance of Leticia still haunts many
Young girl’s abduction in ’89 brought national attention

The discovery of Amber Dubois’ skeletal remains along a remote road near the Pala Indian Reservation this past weekend brought back painful memories of a similar discovery in the same brush-filled canyon 19 years ago today.

Leticia Hernandez, 7, had been missing for 15 months when a caretaker working on property off Pala Temecula Road found a human skull. Dental records from Leticia, an Oceanside second-grader, were a match.

The discovery that day, March 9, 1991, ended a search that had captured the nation’s attention as sightings of the black-haired girl — usually in the company of a blond-haired couple in a maroon sedan — spread across the country.

The case was featured on the TV shows “America’s Most Wanted” and “Unsolved Mysteries” and was listed for a year as the nation’s top child-abduction case by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

It even spawned a song, “Leticia We Love You,” written by an Oceanside police detective.

For those touched by Leticia’s case, the discovery of remains identified as Amber, a 14-year-old Escondido High student missing for 13 months, was like the tearing away of scar tissue. It hurt.

“That’s really eerie,” said Doug Sebastian, founder of KinderVision, a nonprofit child-safety organization that sprang up from the Leticia case. “That’s pretty isolated out there. Unfortunately, we’ve got a north San Diego County dumping ground for missing kids.”

It’s not just kids. The bodies of at least four women were found in that same area in the 1980s at a time when authorities were investigating a series of about 45 killings. Many of the victims were prostitutes.

Leticia’s killer has never been caught. A registered sex offender who was 40 at the time and lived a block away was reportedly the subject of a federal grand jury investigation in the weeks after her remains were found. Nothing came of it.

The only apparent connection between her case and the current investigation is the proximity of the remains — Leticia’s on the east side of the road, Amber’s on the west — roughly two miles south of the Riverside County line.

Leticia lived about 25 miles away, in an apartment in the 1300 block of Bush Street, a block east of Interstate 5. On Dec. 16, 1989, two days after her 7th birthday, she was playing in the front yard about 5 p.m. while her mother went to a nearby laundry room. When her mother returned 10 minutes later, the girl was gone.

Police were called. The initial focus was on reports that a man in a late-model black Cadillac had been seen in the neighborhood, offering children $50 to get into his car. That went nowhere.

“We don’t have a good feeling on this case,” an Oceanside police officer said at the time.

Then the sightings started, first at a Buckman Springs rest stop in East County, seven hours after she vanished. Ten days later, she was reported on Interstate 10, just west of the New Mexico border.

In all, police received more than a dozen “confirmed” sightings, reports where the witnesses were able to pick Leticia out of a photo lineup. The last one, in March 1990, was at a gas station in Greensboro, Fla.

Because of the coast-to-coast sightings, and because the abduction happened so close to the Christmas holidays — Leticia’s family refused to open presents while she was missing — the public was riveted by the case.

Her classmates at Palmquist Elementary School rotated what desks they sat in, so that Leticia’s was never empty. Baseball star Rollie Fingers headlined a fundraising benefit. Chris McDonough, an Oceanside police detective, composed the ballad, which was later made into a video.

McDonough, who moved to a Dallas suburb after retiring from the Oceanside force in 2003, remembers the case as particularly disturbing.

“This little girl was standing in her front yard and she evaporates,” he said.

He would like to see the case reopened.

“You can always hope for that,” McDonough said. “Any murdered child you want to see investigated fully.”

Oceanside police Sgt. Jeff Brandt said he knows of no plans to revisit the case. Police shelved it in 1992, after exhausting all available leads. Brandt said he believes cold-case detectives last looked at it about two years ago.

All the detectives originally involved are retired.

According to news accounts at the time, police looked hard initially at the sex offender, a landscaper who was married and had three children. The string of sightings cooled their interest in him, until Leticia’s skull was found. A federal grand jury then investigated him, but he was never arrested.

Searchers combed the area for days. No other bones were found. Investigators said they collected three dozen pieces of evidence, including some of Leticia’s clothing.

The medical examiner eventually concluded she had died within three months of her abduction.

Leticia had five siblings when she disappeared. Attempts to reach them for comment yesterday were unsuccessful. Her mother died of cancer in February 1998.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/disappearance-of-leticia-still-haunts-many/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 03:51:09 PM
Picture Gallery

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/mar/07/amber-found/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cw618 on March 09, 2010, 04:00:41 PM
snipped from
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/parents-call-for-strict-laws-against-predators/

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune in a phone interview Sunday afternoon that the tip leading investigators to Amber’s remains did not come from Gardner. A few minutes later, when he was asked again about the tip and how he knew it didn’t come from Gardner, Garcia said, “I talked to someone who knows it firsthand.” He said he couldn’t say any more without getting into trouble.

wonder who?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 09, 2010, 04:04:51 PM
Sorry if this has been posted. I know some of it we have here, but not sure of all of it

3:46 p.m. Tuesday, March 9, 2010
Probation report cites predatory traits of suspect

LOS ANGELES — A decade-old probation report on a sex offender accused of murdering Southern California teenager Chelsea King says a psychiatrist concluded he had "significant predatory traits" toward underage girls.

The report released by a San Diego court on Tuesday was prepared in 2000for the sentencing of then-20-year-old John Albert Gardner III after he pleaded guilty to committing lewd acts on a 13-year-old neighbor girl. The victim was also punched repeatedly.

The psychiatrist called for the maximum possible sentence.

The probation officer recommended a so-called middle term of six years, reasoning in part that Gardner had no prior criminal record. The judge ordered six years and Gardner served five.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to King's slaying last month and a December assault.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

ESCONDIDO, Calif. (AP) — A convicted sex offender charged with murdering one teen and suspected in the death of another appeared in court Tuesday as a judge issued a gag order and delayed a key hearing in the case.

Defendant John Albert Gardner III spoke only to acknowledge that he waived his right to speedy proceedings.

Superior Court Judge David J. Danielsen rescheduled the preliminary hearing from March 18 to Aug. 4. The hearing is meant to show if there is enough evidence to send Gardner to trial.

The defense sought a September date, and the prosecution wanted the hearing by July.

Danielson also issued a gag order on parties in the proceedings.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King. She vanished Feb. 25 and her presumed body was found March 2 in a grave in a park north of San Diego.

The case against Gardner also alleges he raped or tried to rape King.

Public defender Michael Popkins, who represents Gardner, declined to comment after the hearing.

Gardner is also under investigation in the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, whose remains were found Saturday 10 miles from the site where King disappeared.

At a Monday night vigil, the father of Dubois, whose bones were found more than a year after she vanished walking to school, urged supporters to behave like his late daughter's favorite animal, the wolf, to hunt down child predators.

"Wolves hunt to survive, wolves hunt together to catch their prey," Maurice Dubois told more than 1,000 mourners at the candlelight vigil. "We as parents and the community need to make a change for the protection of our children."

Mourners held a moment of silence for Amber Dubois and Chelsea King.

Escondido police say Gardner, 30, is also a focus of their investigation into Amber's death.

Carrie McGonigle, Amber's mother, said laws need to be changed.

"I still see a lot of children walking by themselves and it scares me," she said on a chilly night in the courtyard of Escondido High School, near the spot where Amber disappeared Feb. 13, 2009.

Police said Amber's remains were identified through dental records. They have not said what led them to the remote area near Pala because the discovery is part of a murder investigation.

Dubois noted in his remarks that rumors his daughter was a runaway hampered the family's efforts to bring national media attention to their search. Gardner's arrest three days after Chelsea King disappeared renewed interest in Amber.

Kelly Elsbernd, a cousin, said she and Amber grew up drawing animals together and pretending to be seals and otters when they went swimming.

"They never really played with dolls," said Nicole Elsbernd, Kelly's mother. "They played with bugs."

Jade Fidel, Amber's best friend, said Amber had two dogs, a cat and a bird, but wolves were her favorite.

"She liked them," Fidel said. "They were free, independent."

Gardner was registered as a sex offender in Escondido from January 2008 to January 2010, with some gaps, according to police. He served five years of a six-year prison term for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in San Diego in 2000 and completed parole in September 2008.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/probation-report-cites-predatory-358211.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2010, 04:28:55 PM
Has anything official been revealed in regards to the origin of the tip.

Considering the timeframe encompassing the finding of Amber's remains ... I suspect that JAG may have been offered a plea deal.

On the other hand ... maybe the August, 2009 findings of the private investigator hired by Amber's grandmother were disregarded by LE and ... were only investigated recently to establish a possible link between the Amber and Chelsea cases.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - March 8, 2010

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION:  Nancy, I don`t believe in the coincidence of crime. I believe there is direct linkage between these two cases. Something has occurred in the Chelsea case with Gardner that has led the officials to the remains of Amber. There`s no doubt in my mind about that at all.

And I agree with you, I hope that it`s not some kind of a compromise, some kind of a plea deal to keep this character off of death row, which is exactly where he belongs to be -- or exactly where he belongs.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: I can tell you this much, Marc Klaas. If they have cut a deal with the devil and spared him the California death penalty in exchange for those whereabouts of her remains, there`s going to be hell to pay.

KLAAS: Well, the irony is, is that they don`t actually execute in California, which is unfortunate. But you know, if he`s not the one, if somebody else did it, then there`s another homicidal maniac on the loose in San Diego, and that`s the last thing anybody needs to hear.

<snipped>

LAWRENCE OLMSTEAD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY AMBER DUBOIS` GRANDMOTHER:  What happens is they (dogs) hit at three locations within the Indian Reservation. And we immediately followed up with people in these locations. Each one of the locations, for one, had people associated with it at the time we were there.

And immediately to, you know, speak to people we started interviewing witnesses, people that were at these locations, learned as much as we can about the locations and obviously showed flyers and photographs and tried to establish whether or not had anyone seen her, Amber, at these locations.

GRACE: Well, did you give the information to police?  

OLMSTEAD: We did. On August 24th I prepared a final report on our visit to Pala to my client and we also supplied Escondido Police Department a copy of the same report for their review and follow-up investigation.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/08/ng.01.html



Nothing offical Janet.

Thanks Northern Rose.

Off for the rest of the afternoon.  BBL.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
1:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 04:46:04 PM
Background on JAG.  Full document is posted in Chelsea's thread.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 04:53:42 PM
snipped from
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/parents-call-for-strict-laws-against-predators/

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune in a phone interview Sunday afternoon that the tip leading investigators to Amber’s remains did not come from Gardner. A few minutes later, when he was asked again about the tip and how he knew it didn’t come from Gardner, Garcia said, “I talked to someone who knows it firsthand.” He said he couldn’t say any more without getting into trouble.

wonder who?



Last I heard this Garcia PI guy is FOS and he retracted that statement.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 04:59:33 PM
Thanks NorRose that was very interesting.

So he has ties to Redondo Beach? Who went missing from Redondo Beach, was it that one girl found in Running Springs? I think they have the assumbed perp in jail though?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 05:07:10 PM
So someone had to give them specific information on where to find Amber, unless they are reacting to the dogs from August and went out with cadaver dogs. They do say the tip came in on Thursday. I read a comment that day from a poster on a news site that said LE needs to look at the pala library, maybe it was that person or a person with a similar idea?
Of course I am hoping it was a person close to the killer so they can be held responsible for her death.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 05:10:47 PM
Thanks NorRose that was very interesting.

So he has ties to Redondo Beach? Who went missing from Redondo Beach, was it that one girl found in Running Springs? I think they have the assumbed perp in jail though?

Page 9 is interesting as well as it lists all the places he has worked and he says if he needs money he can work for his grand parents sign shop. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2010, 05:15:50 PM
Tracygirl
I have been thinking they might have the wrong guy in jail and they need to take another look at the situation now at hand.
What will probably happen is that they will not look at the currant culprit. to much ego and afraid of false arrest lawsuit.
Besides I believe they have some form of confession on the suspect in custody.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2010, 05:22:05 PM
I would think
There is only a couple of people who could possibly know where Amber was located in Pala.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 06:02:48 PM
I would think
There is only a couple of people who could possibly know where Amber was located in Pala.




The perp (s)
A possible witness
A person he may have told

I would suppose they could use cadaver dogs to locate the exact spot of the remains? I would think if he had told them he killed Amber then there would be a 2nd murder charge? There is not or has not been and they are collecting evidence so that leads me to consider he didn't tell them? I don't know, I suppose we will find out. I think I am worried they wont find who did this and that is the last thing anyone wants to happen.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
I would think
There is only a couple of people who could possibly know where Amber was located in Pala.




The perp (s)
A possible witness
A person he may have told

I would suppose they could use cadaver dogs to locate the exact spot of the remains? I would think if he had told them he killed Amber then there would be a 2nd murder charge? There is not or has not been and they are collecting evidence so that leads me to consider he didn't tell them? I don't know, I suppose we will find out. I think I am worried they wont find who did this and that is the last thing anyone wants to happen.

Someone that was with the perp


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cw618 on March 09, 2010, 06:23:11 PM
snipped from
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/parents-call-for-strict-laws-against-predators/

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune in a phone interview Sunday afternoon that the tip leading investigators to Amber’s remains did not come from Gardner. A few minutes later, when he was asked again about the tip and how he knew it didn’t come from Gardner, Garcia said, “I talked to someone who knows it firsthand.” He said he couldn’t say any more without getting into trouble.

wonder who?



Last I heard this Garcia PI guy is FOS and he retracted that statement.

so another Ahole preying on the dead for 15min of fame

if  the state is plea bargaining, with jag, for info, then their next step
had better be tougher laws and regs, for S.O.s in ca, or the people of
ca are going to be pi$$, that he gets life instead of death


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cw618 on March 09, 2010, 06:36:19 PM
snipped from
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/king-suspects-gold-pontiac-figures-in/

He has been cited for several traffic violations since December 2006, when he failed to stop at a red light in Loma Linda. He was cited for marijuana possession in Buccaneer Park in Oceanside in November 2008 and for an open container of alcohol and not having his license in Escondido last April.


was jag still on probation in nov 2008


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 09, 2010, 06:39:17 PM
Live on radio now


http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html  (http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html)

Live interview now about John Gardner.

On right side click listen live, (john and ken show)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 06:55:04 PM
snipped from
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/king-suspects-gold-pontiac-figures-in/

He has been cited for several traffic violations since December 2006, when he failed to stop at a red light in Loma Linda. He was cited for marijuana possession in Buccaneer Park in Oceanside in November 2008 and for an open container of alcohol and not having his license in Escondido last April.


was jag still on probation in nov 2008
There are so many places connected to Gardner now.  Has anyone made a list with possible places and years that they can post?  It would help in looking for other similar crimes. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 09, 2010, 07:00:52 PM
Live on radio now


http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html  (http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html)

Live interview now about John Gardner.

On right side click listen live, (john and ken show)

John and Ken are speaking with publicist ("Michelle Bart") for Sheila Welch (Amber's grandmother) Talking about the dogs that followed the scent to Pala. Michelle thought Amber was still alive because the dogs were hitting on "live" scent at the time all the way to Pala. Searchers were going to extend their stay but police didnt want them to go back????

News on now, waiting for part 2


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 09, 2010, 07:46:58 PM
Tougher law for SO's.

How about and Sex offender that is a level 3 or higher can not EVER have a drivers license, be  a passenger in a vehicle that has tinted windows, or a van of any kind. They can not own a Van, SUV or a vehicle with tinted windows. They can use public transportation period. Sex Offender must be printed on all other lower level SO's drivers License. His license plate should start with SOL1 or SOL2, that way the witness only has three #'s to remember. If the car is spotted in a school yard call it in. If the car is spotted in a park call it in.

If he has a monitoring device on his ankle is makes a loud noise when he runs walks fast. A Victim would hear her attacker.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 08:38:50 PM
Live on radio now


http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html  (http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html)

Live interview now about John Gardner.

On right side click listen live, (john and ken show)

John and Ken are speaking with publicist ("Michelle Bart") for Sheila Welch (Amber's grandmother) Talking about the dogs that followed the scent to Pala. Michelle thought Amber was still alive because the dogs were hitting on "live" scent at the time all the way to Pala. Searchers were going to extend their stay but police didnt want them to go back????

News on now, waiting for part 2

I listened to the man that was hired to do the dog search and I thought he said he couldn't be sure it was a live scent or maybe he said it didn't mean she was still alive but she was alive when she was at that spot?
Michelle Bart needs to stick very close to what happened or this story will lose it's credibility.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 08:40:03 PM
Tougher law for SO's.

How about and Sex offender that is a level 3 or higher can not EVER have a drivers license, be  a passenger in a vehicle that has tinted windows, or a van of any kind. They can not own a Van, SUV or a vehicle with tinted windows. They can use public transportation period. Sex Offender must be printed on all other lower level SO's drivers License. His license plate should start with SOL1 or SOL2, that way the witness only has three #'s to remember. If the car is spotted in a school yard call it in. If the car is spotted in a park call it in.

If he has a monitoring device on his ankle is makes a loud noise when he runs walks fast. A Victim would hear her attacker.

How about 1 strike and they are out of here? That is what I want, do it once and there are no more chances.

Edit: typo.  MB


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 08:41:57 PM
strick should be strike in my above post ^. Can a mod please correct it for me? Thanks!

Done.  YW.  MB


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 09, 2010, 08:45:46 PM
It bothers that Michelle Bart has been involved in this case because of her track record in the Caylee Anthony case.  She really down played the use of dogs in that case..and now she seems to be saying something different then the actual handler
in this case too.

She is no expert on the dogs and should refer all questions or comments to the handlers.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 09, 2010, 08:50:34 PM
It bothers that Michelle Bart has been involved in this case because of her track record in the Caylee Anthony case.  She really down played the use of dogs in that case..and now she seems to be saying something different then the actual handler
in this case too.

She is no expert on the dogs and should refer all questions or comments to the handlers.



ITA  :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 08:58:22 PM
O/T except they will be discussing the Chelsea King case at one point:

Coming up in just a few minutes!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pretzer030910.jpg)

Click on the link below!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 09, 2010, 09:08:17 PM
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/03/chelsea_king_missing_john_albe.php

snip/
UPDATE V: John Albert Gardner has been charged with Chelsea's murder and an attack on a college student jogging in the same park in December.

snip/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 09, 2010, 09:09:40 PM

Just getting here today, has anyone reported that the parole file on Gardner was destroyed?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 09, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
Gov. wants sex offenders' parole records retained
March 9, 2010 - 8:34pm
By DON THOMPSON
Associated Press Writer

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Tuesday ordered California corrections officials to keep sex offenders' parole records indefinitely after he learned the files of a man now charged with killing a 17-year-old girl had been destroyed.

The Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation disclosed the documents on John Albert Gardner III had been destroyed in a response Friday to a records request by The Associated Press.

Gardner pleaded guilty in 2000 to committing lewd and lascivious acts on a 13-year-old girl. Officials said his parole file was destroyed last fall, just a year after he completed three years of parole supervision.

Schwarzenegger called the practice unacceptable. He also told the department to make as much information available to the public as legally possible.

Department spokesman Oscar Hidalgo said 10,000 ex-convicts each month are placed on or released from parole. The system would be overwhelmed by paper records if it didn't destroy field notes kept by agents, he said.

However, he also disclosed Monday that portions of parole files, including those of Gardner, are transferred to central files and retained for 30 years.

Release of information from those files is governed by privacy laws, and in Gardner's case by an ongoing investigation and a gag order imposed by a San Diego County judge.

The department is reviewing what portions of Gardner's central file can be made public, Hidalgo said.

Schwarzenegger's order came hours after Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, R-San Diego, asked the department's inspector general to investigate whether records were improperly destroyed.

Fletcher praised the governor for acting swiftly to correct what he called an irresponsible policy.

Fletcher said he'll work with San Diego-area law enforcement officials, lawmakers, victims' rights groups and experts to review California sex offender laws to find any gaps. The King family released a statement at Fletcher's news conference supporting the review.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to murdering Chelsea King in San Diego County and to the attempted rape of another woman.

(Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

snip
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=104&sid=1908337

Edit: Remove article double in this post.  MB


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 09, 2010, 09:17:56 PM
Not sure how it posted double-I am sure it is not my fault  ::MonkeyTongue:: , I would fix it if  I could.


Fixed.  No worries Shell.  Sometimes things like that happen.  MB


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 09, 2010, 09:35:03 PM

I would like to say to the family and friends and all who have come to know and care about Amber. My family is grieving with you, we feel as though we have lost a member of our family. Rest in Peace , Amber  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 09, 2010, 10:02:56 PM
Amber Dubois' parents upset with investigator

The parents of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois say they are livid about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared in February 2009.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Monday that neither he nor Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, have spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s skeletal remains were discovered Saturday near Pala.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune he has spoken with someone close to the investigation who said Amber’s remains were found based on a tip that was not generated by John Albert Gardner III, the man now facing murder charges in connection with the death of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

Garcia changed his story when contacted Monday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”


Dubois said law enforcement has not told the family what led investigators to Amber’s remains, nor whether Gardner is a suspect. He also said they have been asked not to talk about the case.

“I wish I could talk to you guys because you’ve been there for us since the beginning,” he said. “But we’re on a gag order.”

Amber’s parents have sought publicity throughout their 13-month ordeal in hopes that one reader or television viewer might be prompted to call police with a tip that could solve the case. Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday night when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and McGonigle were told the news.

“Everything is going to change now for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be much different.”

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning to keep people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, was last seen Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class.

Dubois said he understands law enforcement’s desire to keep facts quiet while the investigation continues.

“They don’t want to jeopardize the investigation and we don’t want that to happen either,” he said.

A candlelight vigil is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday in front of Escondido High School.

Karyl O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the school district, said the event will be held under the archway near the school’s main entrance, at 1535 N. Broadway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/dubois-parents-unhappy-with-private/

thanks NR.......... this states the 'grave'? Do we know if in fact there was a grave? And now it looks like this ahole doesn't know what he's talking about....do I understand this correctly, that with this statement retracted/changed, we have no clue what really let to Amber's discovery??

This is the first article that uses the word "grave".  On twitter last night one of the reporters on the scene said Amber was in a shallow grave as well. 

You are correct, we have no clue what lead them to Amber and Garcia needs to shut his pie hole. 

With the unexpected court for Gardner today I am betting he will be charged with Amber's death. 

Last nite on NG, I think perhaps it was Nancy, but someone used the term "buried" when referring to Amber.  I looked at my husband and said I had not heard that before....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 09, 2010, 10:09:29 PM
We have nothing to do with this "Sheriff Jay" event. 

Looks like he's running for office and using Chelsea's and Amber's names to get publicity. 

wow


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 09, 2010, 10:17:43 PM
Today I went to a book fair at my childrens school and  donated 2 books to their library in honor of Amber's memory and her love for reading. One was about Wolves and had a beautiful wolf on the front cover and the other was a young readers book about spring which had a little cute lamb on the front. Inside the front cover the librarian put on a lable that read, in memory of Amber Dubios. Now Ambers love of reading will maybe inspire another child.

It is funny how someone that you have never met can have such an inpact on your life as Amber has on mine.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: Very sweet Tracygirl... you made my eyes burn....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on March 09, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
Thanks NorRose that was very interesting.

So he has ties to Redondo Beach? Who went missing from Redondo Beach, was it that one girl found in Running Springs? I think they have the assumbed perp in jail though?

Page 9 is interesting as well as it lists all the places he has worked and he says if he needs money he can work for his grand parents sign shop. 



This report states no "dependents" what happened to the twins he had with his girlfriend or am I "LOST"


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 09, 2010, 10:33:44 PM
I know it isn't realistic, but it's a shame they can't get as many cadaver dogs as possible and just unleash them in areas between where these bodies were found. There has to be more....has to be  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Makes me sick...how many other girls are out there, gone undetected for how long?? Makes me sick.

seriously... why can't they... like on a volunteer basis, since $ is tight in department's these days...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 10:47:13 PM
Thanks NorRose that was very interesting.

So he has ties to Redondo Beach? Who went missing from Redondo Beach, was it that one girl found in Running Springs? I think they have the assumbed perp in jail though?

Page 9 is interesting as well as it lists all the places he has worked and he says if he needs money he can work for his grand parents sign shop. 



This report states no "dependents" what happened to the twins he had with his girlfriend or am I "LOST"


The twins could have come after this was written.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 10:53:41 PM
It bothers that Michelle Bart has been involved in this case because of her track record in the Caylee Anthony case.  She really down played the use of dogs in that case..and now she seems to be saying something different then the actual handler
in this case too.

She is no expert on the dogs and should refer all questions or comments to the handlers.



ITA.  Michelle Bart is still broadcasting to cast doubt on the Anthony case and what she is trying to convince all as bad science and cast doubt in favour of the Anthony's she now has done a 180 for Amber.  Her speaking for this case unfortunately creates a credibility loss to anyone that has followed Caylee's case. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2010, 10:57:31 PM
Amber Dubois' parents upset with investigator

The parents of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois say they are livid about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared in February 2009.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Monday that neither he nor Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, have spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s skeletal remains were discovered Saturday near Pala.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune he has spoken with someone close to the investigation who said Amber’s remains were found based on a tip that was not generated by John Albert Gardner III, the man now facing murder charges in connection with the death of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

Garcia changed his story when contacted Monday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”


Dubois said law enforcement has not told the family what led investigators to Amber’s remains, nor whether Gardner is a suspect. He also said they have been asked not to talk about the case.

“I wish I could talk to you guys because you’ve been there for us since the beginning,” he said. “But we’re on a gag order.”

Amber’s parents have sought publicity throughout their 13-month ordeal in hopes that one reader or television viewer might be prompted to call police with a tip that could solve the case. Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday night when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and McGonigle were told the news.

“Everything is going to change now for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be much different.”

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning to keep people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, was last seen Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class.

Dubois said he understands law enforcement’s desire to keep facts quiet while the investigation continues.

“They don’t want to jeopardize the investigation and we don’t want that to happen either,” he said.

A candlelight vigil is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday in front of Escondido High School.

Karyl O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the school district, said the event will be held under the archway near the school’s main entrance, at 1535 N. Broadway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/dubois-parents-unhappy-with-private/

thanks NR.......... this states the 'grave'? Do we know if in fact there was a grave? And now it looks like this ahole doesn't know what he's talking about....do I understand this correctly, that with this statement retracted/changed, we have no clue what really let to Amber's discovery??

This is the first article that uses the word "grave".  On twitter last night one of the reporters on the scene said Amber was in a shallow grave as well. 

You are correct, we have no clue what lead them to Amber and Garcia needs to shut his pie hole. 

With the unexpected court for Gardner today I am betting he will be charged with Amber's death. 

Last nite on NG, I think perhaps it was Nancy, but someone used the term "buried" when referring to Amber.  I looked at my husband and said I had not heard that before....

ChiChi

My ears also perked up ... even the deaf one ... when I heard the word "buried".

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on March 09, 2010, 11:01:43 PM
Thanks NorRose that was very interesting.

So he has ties to Redondo Beach? Who went missing from Redondo Beach, was it that one girl found in Running Springs? I think they have the assumbed perp in jail though?

Page 9 is interesting as well as it lists all the places he has worked and he says if he needs money he can work for his grand parents sign shop. 



This report states no "dependents" what happened to the twins he had with his girlfriend or am I "LOST"


The twins could have come after this was written.


Thank you ...I went back and read your right I was in catch up mode ::piggy::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2010, 11:04:50 PM
Thanks again Monkeys for all the updates, insights and research encompassing the Amber and Chelsea cases.  There are a few distactions taking place in my life right now ... nice distractions but distractions nevertheless.

Anyways ... a long time neighbour couple will be here shortly to join hubby and I in a game of something.  Yatzee?  Scrabble?  Rummy?

Good Night All

Janet
8:05 PM PT



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on March 09, 2010, 11:04:59 PM

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators found those remains buried in the Pala Indian reservation. That`s in northern San Diego County.

This was from NG show last night. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on March 09, 2010, 11:06:28 PM
Amber Dubois' parents upset with investigator

The parents of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois say they are livid about misinformation being spread by a private investigator the family hired shortly after Amber disappeared in February 2009.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Monday that neither he nor Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, have spoken to private investigator Bill Garcia since their daughter’s skeletal remains were discovered Saturday near Pala.

“Carrie is livid that he is going out and speaking on behalf of the family,” Dubois said. “We haven’t talked to him.”

Garcia told The San Diego Union-Tribune he has spoken with someone close to the investigation who said Amber’s remains were found based on a tip that was not generated by John Albert Gardner III, the man now facing murder charges in connection with the death of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

Garcia changed his story when contacted Monday.

“What I said was somebody close to the family called me and said they had found Amber’s body near the Riverside County line,” he said. “That’s all they told me. I then said it’s my belief that the tip did not come from Gardner. That was just my opinion. I haven’t been told that.”


Dubois said law enforcement has not told the family what led investigators to Amber’s remains, nor whether Gardner is a suspect. He also said they have been asked not to talk about the case.

“I wish I could talk to you guys because you’ve been there for us since the beginning,” he said. “But we’re on a gag order.”

Amber’s parents have sought publicity throughout their 13-month ordeal in hopes that one reader or television viewer might be prompted to call police with a tip that could solve the case. Dubois said he was eating dinner at a restaurant Saturday night when he was called and asked to come to Escondido police headquarters, where he and McGonigle were told the news.

“Everything is going to change now for us,” Dubois said. “It’s going to be much different.”

The remains were found west of Pala Temecula Road, about three miles north of the historic Pala Mission and the Pala Casino. There is a single-lane asphalted road that leads up a steep mountain and then over a hill. The grave appears to be out of sight over the hill.

Two law enforcement officers guarded the entrance to the road Monday morning to keep people out, and “no parking” signs were posted along the few turnouts within a half-mile either north or south of the road.

Amber, a student at Escondido High School, was last seen Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked toward the campus an hour before class.

Dubois said he understands law enforcement’s desire to keep facts quiet while the investigation continues.

“They don’t want to jeopardize the investigation and we don’t want that to happen either,” he said.

A candlelight vigil is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday in front of Escondido High School.

Karyl O’Brien, a spokeswoman for the school district, said the event will be held under the archway near the school’s main entrance, at 1535 N. Broadway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/dubois-parents-unhappy-with-private/

thanks NR.......... this states the 'grave'? Do we know if in fact there was a grave? And now it looks like this ahole doesn't know what he's talking about....do I understand this correctly, that with this statement retracted/changed, we have no clue what really let to Amber's discovery??

This is the first article that uses the word "grave".  On twitter last night one of the reporters on the scene said Amber was in a shallow grave as well. 

You are correct, we have no clue what lead them to Amber and Garcia needs to shut his pie hole. 

With the unexpected court for Gardner today I am betting he will be charged with Amber's death. 

Last nite on NG, I think perhaps it was Nancy, but someone used the term "buried" when referring to Amber.  I looked at my husband and said I had not heard that before....

ChiChi

My ears also perked up ... even the deaf one ... when I heard the word "buried".

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators found those remains buried in the Pala Indian reservation. That`s in northern San Diego County.


From NG last night.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2010, 11:08:41 PM
Hi Kat-Gram

 ::HelloKitty::

I think of you often.

Did you watch the big hockey game?

GO-CANADA-GO

Janet


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 11:11:19 PM
Did Gardner Use Running Club To Target Women?

SAN DIEGO -- 10News received information that may indicate accused killer John Gardner used a social gathering that included his parents to allegedly target women to attack.

Photos obtained by 10News place Gardner's mother, Catherine Osborn, a nurse, and his stepfather, Kevin O'Reilly, a photographer, at an event at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Dec. 27 -- the same day he is accused of attacking a jogger.

The event was hosted by a local chapter of the Hash House Harriers, a popular group that is part drinking club, part running club. The group encourages members to adopt sexually explicit nicknames.

On Dec. 27, about 50 members met at Rancho Bernardo Community Park for a run scheduled for 2 p.m. Photos taken at the event showed Gardner's parents helping with the registration. 10News is still trying to confirm if Gardner had helped with the run's set up or participated in the run.

Hours before, in the park, a 22-year-old woman was jogging on the park trails. In a recent interview with 10News, the woman's mother said her daughter jogged past a man who then bodyslammed her to the ground. She said her daughter threw an elbow at her attacker and was able to get away. The jogger identified Gardner as her attacker.

Legal experts like defense attorney Jan Ronis expect prosecutors to take a close look at the Dec. 27 incident.

"Just to be able to place him in the general area within a general time is a significant point from the prosecution point of view," said Ronis.

When told of 10News' information, an aunt of the jogger said, "It's sick and wrong if he used his family's event to look for victims … but if having family nearby prevented him from chasing down my niece, that's good."

Officers of the running club declined to comment, but did say they don't recall ever seeing Gardner at any of the runs.

http://www.10news.com/news/22792388/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2010, 11:16:12 PM

Last nite on NG, I think perhaps it was Nancy, but someone used the term "buried" when referring to Amber.  I looked at my husband and said I had not heard that before....

ChiChi

My ears also perked up ... even the deaf one ... when I heard the word "buried".

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators found those remains buried in the Pala Indian reservation. That`s in northern San Diego County.


From NG last night.

mymonkey ... thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 11:17:39 PM
We know we have one pic of them over at the mom's house for Thanksgiving, are they trying to say they don't know him?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 11:22:14 PM
We know we have one pic of them over at the mom's house for Thanksgiving, are they trying to say they don't know him?

I think they are saying he did not run with them.  They can not deny he was with the group at the other functions as we have some pictures of that, but none so far of him runnning. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cartfly on March 09, 2010, 11:48:33 PM
It bothers that Michelle Bart has been involved in this case because of her track record in the Caylee Anthony case.  She really down played the use of dogs in that case..and now she seems to be saying something different then the actual handler
in this case too.

She is no expert on the dogs and should refer all questions or comments to the handlers.


Wow, I followed the Caylee case somewhat, but didn't know who Michelle Bart was when I posted the link earlier... (my bad)
She is calling herself Mrs Welch's publicist and told the cohost of the show she would only talk with them about the case. I hope Mrs Welch is not being led on by this woman. I know one of Amber's Grandmothers is following here. If it is Mrs Sheila Welch, maybe someone can clue her in to this Michelle Bart person.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 12:13:44 AM
We know we have one pic of them over at the mom's house for Thanksgiving, are they trying to say they don't know him?

I think they are saying he did not run with them.  They can not deny he was with the group at the other functions as we have some pictures of that, but none so far of him runnning. 

I think he had his own run


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 01:03:55 AM
We know we have one pic of them over at the mom's house for Thanksgiving, are they trying to say they don't know him?

I think they are saying he did not run with them.  They can not deny he was with the group at the other functions as we have some pictures of that, but none so far of him runnning. 

I think he had his own run

Some of them had to know him.  He may not have normally attended runs but he (John) was certainly aware of them.  His mother has been a Hasher at least since 2005 and from I can tell they ran or had some type of event every weekend.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 10, 2010, 09:28:05 AM
Klassend
You nailed it on the trails.
Good work  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 09:52:33 AM
Officers of the running club declined to comment, but did say they don't recall ever seeing Gardner at any of the runs.  BS  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2010, 09:58:57 AM
Officers of the running club declined to comment, but did say they don't recall ever seeing Gardner at any of the runs.  BS  ::MonkeyNoNo::

BBM
I think BS too, along with it being CYA mode.  JMHO 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 10:34:36 AM
Officers of the running club declined to comment, but did say they don't recall ever seeing Gardner at any of the runs.  BS  ::MonkeyNoNo::

BBM
I think BS too, along with it being CYA mode.  JMHO 
  Yes, since one of the officers of the club I believe is Gardner's mom's boyfriend/husband, what ever they are.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 10, 2010, 11:04:28 AM
Officers of the running club declined to comment, but did say they don't recall ever seeing Gardner at any of the runs.  BS  ::MonkeyNoNo::

BBM
I think BS too, along with it being CYA mode.  JMHO 
  Yes, since one of the officers of the club I believe is Gardner's mom's boyfriend/husband, what ever they are.

IMO, JAG was not “in” the club, at least not in Nov 09, as he was referred to in photos as “just john”.  From my Hashers research, folks are called “just wthellever” until they are “initiated” into the group.  This “initiation” consists of a crazy @$$ ceremony, in which the “just person” sits on a block of ice (bare bootied), the rest of the group drinks and sings weird songs.  Then at the completion of this ceremony, the “just person” is donned a disgusting sexually explicit name.

10News needs to conduct a little more research, as this club is much more than a running/drinking club with sexually explicit names… This appears to be a worldwide organization.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to get a clue, just be looking at the “application” for one of their events to figure out the sexual implications, as they are quite graphic and crude.

Also, regarding the body slamming of the Dec. jogger, I can SO see him doing that with his “doughy” body.  Maybe that is what he was thinking of doing to that woman with her kid and four dogs when he was quickly approaching.  He could knock you off your feet. JMO

Has anyone ever heard that JAG has at one time prior to 2008 owned a red 2000 model truck?
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2010, 12:04:11 PM
Officers of the running club declined to comment, but did say they don't recall ever seeing Gardner at any of the runs.  BS  ::MonkeyNoNo::

BBM
I think BS too, along with it being CYA mode.  JMHO 
  Yes, since one of the officers of the club I believe is Gardner's mom's boyfriend/husband, what ever they are.

IMO, JAG was not “in” the club, at least not in Nov 09, as he was referred to in photos as “just john”.  From my Hashers research, folks are called “just wthellever” until they are “initiated” into the group.  This “initiation” consists of a crazy @$$ ceremony, in which the “just person” sits on a block of ice (bare bootied), the rest of the group drinks and sings weird songs.  Then at the completion of this ceremony, the “just person” is donned a disgusting sexually explicit name.

10News needs to conduct a little more research, as this club is much more than a running/drinking club with sexually explicit names… This appears to be a worldwide organization.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to get a clue, just be looking at the “application” for one of their events to figure out the sexual implications, as they are quite graphic and crude.

Also, regarding the body slamming of the Dec. jogger, I can SO see him doing that with his “doughy” body.  Maybe that is what he was thinking of doing to that woman with her kid and four dogs when he was quickly approaching.  He could knock you off your feet. JMO

Has anyone ever heard that JAG has at one time prior to 2008 owned a red 2000 model truck?
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


BBM

I haven't seen anything yet to indicate JAG at one time prior to 2008 owned a red 2000 model truck.    The thing is, even if he never owned a red 2000 model truck,  he may have had access to one.  He could have borrowed it for a day from someone he knew to run errands or to pick up materials needed for a job he was doing.  Or even borrowed to move someone or himself.  I was glad to finally sell a pick up truck I had, because people wanted to borrow it to move or to use to pick up mattresses or a table or something they bought, to avoid paying delivery charges.  Also, I have taken home a car or truck over the weekend to test drive.  Maybe he did this?  Or maybe JAG was working on a red truck and driving it to check it out?  I don't know.  I don't have anything that would indicate any of this would be true.  It's just random thoughts. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 10, 2010, 12:06:27 PM
Well, that TIP on Amber came from someplace.. We are so lucky it did..
I would not pick on his mom too much. She may have been a big help in finding Amber for all we know. I do not know anything.. But only a few people could have known where Amber was or was able to get the info out of Gardner to give to detectives. If True, Her son,
How Sad indeed.
 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Self-defense class enrollment surges
Teachers advise acting confidently

Robin Hirsh took her first self-defense class nearly a year ago at the urging of her martial arts-trained daughter. But with the increased fear and anxiety surrounding the slayings of teenagers Chelsea King and Amber Dubois, she plans on taking a refresher course soon.

“(Chelsea King’s death) made me feel like it was more important than ever that I do this,” the Poway resident, 52, said. “I think it’s a good idea for women to take a self-defense class so they’re aware of danger and threats when present.”

Hirsh isn’t the only one toning up her self-defense skills.

In the two weeks since Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway High School senior, went missing, there’s been a dramatic surge in interest in self-defense classes around the county.

“Our phone has been ringing and our Web site has been getting an incredible amount of hits,” said martial arts instructor Anne Marie Mihalkanin, owner of Mixed Martial Arts Academy in Sorrento Valley. “It’s mostly parents who are wanting to get their kids in a self-defense seminar. They’re frantic.”

Tony Whetstine, martial arts instructor and owner of Poway Samurai Martial Arts School, says calls about his Women’s Tools for Personal Safety class have increased by more than 80 percent in the last couple of weeks.

He normally offers the class just twice a year, but because of high demand, he’s adding two classes this month and more later.

In response to community interest, residents of Rancho Bernardo and Poway have organized a free self-defense program at 7 p.m. tomorrow at Rancho Bernardo High School.

Open to anyone 13 and older, the 90-minute presentation will focus on safety awareness and practical self-defense tips, said Tracie Arlington, self-defense expert and owner of Play it Safe Defense, who will present the seminar. At the program, people will be able to sign up for free classes with several self-defense and martial arts groups from around the county.

“I think the most important thing anyone can gain from a self-defense class is confidence,” Whetstine said. “They’ll come away knowing that there are things they can do to escape a situation, regardless of the size or strength of the attacker. We try to give them the tools to avoid that kind of situation.”

Right now people are looking for reality-based self-defense training, Mihalkanin said. She offers F.A.S.T. (fear adrenaline stress training) Defense, which uses role playing to put students in a state of fear so they can better understand what’s happening to their body and mind when flooded with adrenaline.

“We want them to see that when the body is under duress, their judgment can be impeded and so can their ability to assess threat and react effectively,” she said. “ We want to show them how they can use this fight-or-flight response to their benefit.”

By practicing simple self- defense strategies, such as being aware of your surroundings, walking confidently and acting assertively, people can avoid being an easy target, she said.

“When I took a class, it raised my awareness that there are ways to protect myself and it’s not dependent on my strength,” self-defense student Hirsh said. “The class taught me to do certain things so I felt wouldn’t be defenseless.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/10/self-defense-class-enrollment-surges/


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 12:56:33 PM
Legal Experts Say 1-Strike Law For Sex Offenders Already Exists

SAN DIEGO — The deaths of 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois have spawned a local movement to lobby for a law to lock up sexual predators for life. But legal experts say those laws are already on the books. The courts are not enforcing them.

Escondido mother Karen Doll-Murphy wants sexual predators put away for good after one conviction. She’s started a Facebook campaign that’s drawn more than 5,000 people.

“I think they’re furious and they’re very, very scared for their children.”

The fury and fear come from the details. Convicted sex offender John Gardner has been charged with murdering and raping Chelsea King. Her body was found in a shallow grave in Rancho Bernardo Community Park where she had gone for a run. Gardner is also a focus of an investigation into the death of Amber Dubois.

Doll-Murphy says the two murders have pushed people to their tipping point on how the legal system manages sex offenders.

“It has been proven time and time again that they get out and they re-offend and they re-offend. They get caught sometimes and sometimes they don’t. But if you go on Megan’s Law and you look and see who is in your neighborhood, you’re going to find offenders, not just one-strikers. You’re going to find many of them who have been caught two, three, four times and it’s not right.”

San Diego therapist David Peters says some sexual predators can be rehabilitiated, but not all.

“Some have more of a sociopathic personality. For those, they don’t feel guilt. They’re not going to feel guilt and they need to merely be controlled by society, the law, the legal system.”

And that is the category that experts say King’s murder suspect John Gardner fit in. In 2000, he pleaded guilty to committing a lewd act on a child. The victim was 13 at the time. According to court papers, the girl said Gardner tried to force himself on her sexually while he beat her repeatedly in the head. The girl told prosecutors Gardner put his hand on her mouth so she couldn’t breathe and she wasn’t sure if she blacked out. She managed to escape while half-clothed. Prosecutors say Gardner later showed no remorse.

Local criminal defense attorney Gerald Blank says Gardner’s crime 10 years ago qualified him under terms of a 1994 law that puts violent sex offenders away after one conviction -- the very law that the Escondido mom and other parents are clamoring for.

“He would have come under the one-strike law. He could have been put away for life in 2000 by the prosecution.”

But instead, Gardner’s prosecutor cut a plea deal and asked for six years. This even though the prosecution’s own filings say Gardner would re-offend if he was not imprisoned. Criminal defense lawyer Blank says that was a big mistake.

“The criminal justice system, in my opinion failed miserably here," said Blank. "The prosecution could have been put John Gardner away even under the plea bargain and he would not have been on our streets at the time Chelsea King was killed.”

Blank also blames the court which he says could have rejected terms of the plea bargain.

“A court has the right to say I’ve looked at this person I think he’s so dangerous, I decline to go along with the deal. I decline to sentence him to the number of years the two of you have agreed upon and therefore the defendant can withdraw his plea or he can let me sentence him. But I’m not sticking with this plea bargain period.”

Both the prosecutor David Hendren and Judge Peter Deddeh who presided over the 2000 case are subject to a gag order. Neither would comment for this story.

Blank says people need to be educated that one-strike laws for sex offenders already exist.

“When a horrible thing happens like the Chelsea King situation or the Amber Dubois situation, people rally and cry for stronger laws without first checking to see whether there is another flaw in the system and I believe there is a flaw in the system that can’t be covered by the law.”

And that flaw, Blank says, is not applying the laws that are already on the books properly.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/mar/10/legal-experts-say-1-strike-law-sex-offenders-alrea/


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 01:01:46 PM
The deaths of 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois have spawned a local movement to lobby for a law to lock up sexual predators for life. But legal experts say those laws are already on the books. The courts are not enforcing them.              ::MonkeyNoNo::  And just a wild guess but funding is the primary reason.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 10, 2010, 01:06:45 PM
Klaas or MuffyBee can you email me, I want to run something by you.


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Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 01:17:59 PM
Klaas or MuffyBee can you email me, I want to run something by you.

I will


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2010, 01:27:07 PM
Klaas or MuffyBee can you email me, I want to run something by you.

I will

I see that Klaas (fast as lightning   ::MonkeySlide::  )    has already responded, so I've removed my post.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 10, 2010, 01:33:31 PM
Klaas or MuffyBee can you email me, I want to run something by you.

I will

I see that Klaas (fast as lightning   ::MonkeySlide::  )    has already responded, so I've removed my post.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

lol yes she was lightening fast!  also, what does TIA mean?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
TIA = thanks in advance  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 04:41:23 PM
Sex offender with letter carrier job reassigned

LOS ANGELES -- A Southern California letter carrier who is a registered sex offender has been reassigned after concerns were raised that he was delivering mail in an area with many children.

Postal Service spokeswoman Eva Jackson said Wednesday that Dana Kennette is now in a job that does not deal with the public. Kennette had been delivering mail in the Rancho Bernardo area of San Diego, where he lives.

The Megan's Law Web site says he was convicted of lewd or lascivious acts on a child under 14. There is no telephone listing for Kennette.

Concern is high in the San Diego area after a sex offender was charged last week with murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King. Police are also investigating the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of nearby Escondido, whose remains were found over the weekend.

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1110ap_us_postal_sex_offender.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 04:43:18 PM
'Chelsea's Law' Could Track Sex Offenders Via GPS
Death of Chelsea King Prompts Lawmaker to Overhaul Laws Monitoring Predators

Known sex offenders should be outfitted with GPS devices that would track their movements and immediately alert police if predators travelled to restricted areas near schools or parks, a California lawmaker told ABC News.com.

Following the alleged rape and murder of 17-year-old high school student Chelsea King by convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III, Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, R- San Diego, called for a complete review of California laws intended to monitor known offenders.

Fletcher said California law requires sex offenders to register where they live, but not where they go. Police in the nearby towns of Escondido and Rancho Bernardo are working to determine if in Gardner's routine travels between his residence and his mother's home he attempted to abduct girls along the way.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/TheLaw/chelseas-law-track-sex-offenders-gps/story?id=10063652


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 04:44:10 PM
Sorry, that last post should say MORE.....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 05:04:51 PM
Well thats good, he should have never been given a job that takes him around kids, that is common sense.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 06:19:53 PM
Players to wear orange ribbons in memory of murdered teens

Charley Hoffman didn't know Chelsea King or anyone in her family.

He grew up in Poway, Calif., though. He even went to the same high school as the 17-year-old who was found raped and murdered last week.

John Mallinger's hometown of Escondido, Calif., was ripped apart by a starkly similar tragedy when the remains of 14-year-old Amber Dubois were found on a hillside four days after King's body was discovered. The same convicted sex offender is suspected in both deaths.

The horrific events have captured the attention of a nation and traumatized the communities where Hoffman and Mallinger were raised. Both are far away this week, competing in the Puerto Rico Open presented by Banco Popular, but they wanted to do something to honor the victims and their families.

So both Hoffman and Mallinger will be wearing orange ribbons this week as they compete. They have recruited other players from California to do the same in Puerto Rico and at the World Golf Championships-CA Championship, as well.

"I was down in San Diego doing some golf stuff (last) Tuesday when she was found. It sort of hit home," Hoffman said. "I didn't realize how close it was. I mean, I grew up fishing there at Lake Hodges where her body was found. I've walked those paths.

"You never really think of something like that happening in your hometown. ... We're just trying to show support of her and try to keep her spirit going with the orange ribbon this week. I didn't know her -- didn't know anything about her. ... But you grew up there.You grew up doing the exact same things she did.

"You don't want to see kids stop running and going around fishing and going around the lake. You just want these guys who have done this stuff to obviously be caught. Hopefully somehow this will stop the predators by people being more aware of the situation."

Escondido, where Mallinger grew up, is about 15 miles north of Poway. Like Hoffman, he spent time at Lake Hodges with his family when he was younger. He knows how the community is grieving.

"Coming from that area, it kind of hits everyone hard,'" Mallinger said. "I've been on that lake, fishing a lot with my family, and to hear that happen is just tragic. ... Hopefully the community can come together and show their support. That's something we're doing this week with the orange ribbons show support for her and our community and her family."

http://www.pgatour.com/2010/r/03/10/orangeribbons/


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Post by: SunnyinTX on March 10, 2010, 06:55:35 PM
Sex offender with letter carrier job reassigned

LOS ANGELES -- A Southern California letter carrier who is a registered sex offender has been reassigned after concerns were raised that he was delivering mail in an area with many children.

Postal Service spokeswoman Eva Jackson said Wednesday that Dana Kennette is now in a job that does not deal with the public. Kennette had been delivering mail in the Rancho Bernardo area of San Diego, where he lives.

The Megan's Law Web site says he was convicted of lewd or lascivious acts on a child under 14. There is no telephone listing for Kennette.

Concern is high in the San Diego area after a sex offender was charged last week with murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King. Police are also investigating the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of nearby Escondido, whose remains were found over the weekend.

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1110ap_us_postal_sex_offender.html


thanks.perhaps our letters to the white house did some good.....j/k


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 10, 2010, 06:56:55 PM
NR, thank you for all the updates you bring here and to other threads....it is really appreciated!!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on March 10, 2010, 07:12:06 PM
NR, thank you for all the updates you bring here and to other threads....it is really appreciated!!
DITTO ::piggy::

NR you are outstanding ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 07:23:04 PM
Sex offender with letter carrier job reassigned

LOS ANGELES -- A Southern California letter carrier who is a registered sex offender has been reassigned after concerns were raised that he was delivering mail in an area with many children.

Postal Service spokeswoman Eva Jackson said Wednesday that Dana Kennette is now in a job that does not deal with the public. Kennette had been delivering mail in the Rancho Bernardo area of San Diego, where he lives.

The Megan's Law Web site says he was convicted of lewd or lascivious acts on a child under 14. There is no telephone listing for Kennette.

Concern is high in the San Diego area after a sex offender was charged last week with murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King. Police are also investigating the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of nearby Escondido, whose remains were found over the weekend.

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1110ap_us_postal_sex_offender.html


thanks.perhaps our letters to the white house did some good.....j/k
Excellent


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 10, 2010, 07:25:00 PM
TIA = thanks in advance  ::MonkeyCool::

Got it ~ Thanks Klaas


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Post by: ChiChi on March 10, 2010, 07:30:06 PM
FAIR OAKS, Calif. -- The Sacramento County Sheriff's Department has arrested a sexually violent predator who has been has been seen on the Del Campo High School campus twice in the past week.

Hugh Levell Stewart, 55, was arrested at his home in Fair Oaks Wednesday afternoon, deputies said.

Authorities had earlier linked Stewart to three sexual assaults near the campus, but later said he appeared to not be connected to the attacks.

The department said earlier in the day that Stewart is categorized as a sexually violent predator based on his prior convictions for crimes against children, rape, sexual penetration with a foreign object, and for being a mentally disordered sex offender.


Sacramento County Sheriff's Department
Hugh Levell Stewart
 

The announcement about Stewart came a day after investigators released a sketch of a man being sought in connection with three assaults near the campus.

Investigators said all three incidents involved 15-year-old girls who were walking to Del Campo High School.

The first incident was reported Jan. 28, the second was reported Feb. 5, and the third was reported March 3.

In all three cases, deputies said, the victims were touched inappropriately. Afterward, the attacker fled the scene.

MORE http://www.kcra.com/news/22801799/detail.html?treets=sac&tml=sac_break&ts=T&tmi=sac_break_1_06030103102010

Once again, GPS is required... I'm thinking microchips personally.  GPS can be tampered with. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mymonkey on March 10, 2010, 07:48:51 PM
FAIR OAKS, Calif. -- The Sacramento County Sheriff's Department has arrested a sexually violent predator who has been has been seen on the Del Campo High School campus twice in the past week.

Hugh Levell Stewart, 55, was arrested at his home in Fair Oaks Wednesday afternoon, deputies said.

Authorities had earlier linked Stewart to three sexual assaults near the campus, but later said he appeared to not be connected to the attacks.

The department said earlier in the day that Stewart is categorized as a sexually violent predator based on his prior convictions for crimes against children, rape, sexual penetration with a foreign object, and for being a mentally disordered sex offender.


Sacramento County Sheriff's Department
Hugh Levell Stewart
 

The announcement about Stewart came a day after investigators released a sketch of a man being sought in connection with three assaults near the campus.

Investigators said all three incidents involved 15-year-old girls who were walking to Del Campo High School.

The first incident was reported Jan. 28, the second was reported Feb. 5, and the third was reported March 3.

In all three cases, deputies said, the victims were touched inappropriately. Afterward, the attacker fled the scene.

MORE http://www.kcra.com/news/22801799/detail.html?treets=sac&tml=sac_break&ts=T&tmi=sac_break_1_06030103102010

Once again, GPS is required... I'm thinking microchips personally.  GPS can be tampered with. ::MonkeyMad::

I vote to brand "PREDATOR" across their forehead in Bold Black Letters.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on March 10, 2010, 08:27:47 PM
FAIR OAKS, Calif. -- The Sacramento County Sheriff's Department has arrested a sexually violent predator who has been has been seen on the Del Campo High School campus twice in the past week.

Hugh Levell Stewart, 55, was arrested at his home in Fair Oaks Wednesday afternoon, deputies said.

Authorities had earlier linked Stewart to three sexual assaults near the campus, but later said he appeared to not be connected to the attacks.

The department said earlier in the day that Stewart is categorized as a sexually violent predator based on his prior convictions for crimes against children, rape, sexual penetration with a foreign object, and for being a mentally disordered sex offender.


Sacramento County Sheriff's Department
Hugh Levell Stewart
 

The announcement about Stewart came a day after investigators released a sketch of a man being sought in connection with three assaults near the campus.

Investigators said all three incidents involved 15-year-old girls who were walking to Del Campo High School.

The first incident was reported Jan. 28, the second was reported Feb. 5, and the third was reported March 3.

In all three cases, deputies said, the victims were touched inappropriately. Afterward, the attacker fled the scene.

MORE http://www.kcra.com/news/22801799/detail.html?treets=sac&tml=sac_break&ts=T&tmi=sac_break_1_06030103102010

Once again, GPS is required... I'm thinking microchips personally.  GPS can be tampered with. ::MonkeyMad::

I vote to brand "PREDATOR" across their forehead in Bold Black Letters.

Big RED letters - like the scarlet letter.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 09:54:50 PM
Does anyone have information if the family is planning any arrangments? I would like to send flowers so if that information can be posted or emailed to me I would really appreciate it. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 10, 2010, 10:02:36 PM
NR, thank you for all the updates you bring here and to other threads....it is really appreciated!!
DITTO ::piggy::

NR you are outstanding ::MonkeyKiss::

Ditto  ::piggy::
Ditto  ::piggy::

It has been heartwarming to me to have the monkeys throughout this horrible ordeal  ::MonkeyHeart:: So many kind hearted people, you know who you are.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 10:08:55 PM
San Diego's dark history of child abductions

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (CBS 8) - Sadly, Chelsea King and Amber Dubois are not the only victims of child abductions in San Diego. There have been nearly two dozen cases over the past 50 years, which means there are people out there capable of harming our children.

After searching through News 8 archives, it didn't take us too long to find San Diego's dark history of child abductions, including many that ended in death.



February 6, 1977

A six-year-old Golden Hill Boy, Jose Luis Ramirez is reported missing. Two days later, his nude body is found by searchers in a nearby park. Robert McFarlane, 34, a convicted child molester, pleaded guilty to the child's slaying and was sentenced to life in prison.



July 5, 1978

Two 16-year-old boys, John Mayeski and Michael Baker, were kidnapped from the parking lot of a Mira Mesa Jack in the Box and shot to death. Eleven years later, Robert Alton Harris was convicted, sentenced to death and executed in 1992 for their murders. Michael's dad, San Diego police Detective Steven Baker actually arrested Harris before he discovered one of the victims was his son.


April 10, 1986

RickieAnn Blake, 14, was last seen in her Chula Vista home April 10, 1986. She was found 24 hours later, strangled to death along an exit ramp on Interstate 15. In 2006, George Williams was sentenced to death for her kidnapping, rape and murder.



August 5, 1988

After failing to return from a friend's Pacific Beach house, seven-year-old Charitie Angelique Careins' mother reports her missing. In June 1989, hikers in a canyon near Beaumont find a small skull with a jaw and teeth that were determined to be Charitie's. Her killer was never brought to justice.



December 16, 1989

A seven-year-old Oceanside girl, Leticia Hernandez, disappears while playing in front of her house. Dozens of officers and more than 200 volunteers search for her. The FBI checks hundreds of reported sightings from coast to coast. Oceanside police Detective Chris McDonough writes a song about the crime.

Her skull was found March 9, 1991 by a ranch caretaker near the Riverside County line. She had been dead about a year. Detectives focused on a neighbor as a possible suspect, but no arrest was made.



June 19, 1991

Nine-year-old Laura Arroyo of Chula Vista answers the door and vanishes. The next day her body was found three miles away in an industrial park. The child had been beaten and stabbed. In 2005, Manuel Bracamontes was sentenced to death for Laura's kidnapping, molestation and murder.



July 15, 1991

Rasheeyda Wilson told her mom she was going to play outside the Yale Hotel where they lived in downtown San Diego. The nine-year-old disappeared and despite a major search for days by officers and volunteers, she has never been found.



October 3, 1991

Nine-year-old Amanda Gaeke of North Park never comes home after a bike ride. Her body is found five days later in a canyon near her house. In May 1996, David Webb-Kim is arrested for her murder. When he was 16, he got Amanda to come to his home, where he drugged, raped and hid her under his bed while he went to school. Kim was sentenced to life in prison.



March 27, 1993

Charlie Keever, 13, and Jonathan Sellers, 9, were riding their bikes in Imperial Beach. Two days later their bodies were discovered near the Otay River. In 2003, Scott Thomas Erskine was convicted of their killings.



February 2, 2002

Seven-year-old Danielle Van Dam is reported missing from her Sabre Springs bedroom by her parents. Volunteer searchers find her body under a tree near Dehesa 25 days later. Her neighbor David Westerfield is on death row for her murder.



April 25, 2002

With his stepfather Tieray Jones allegedly nearby, two-year-old Jahi Turner vanishes from a playground near Balboa Park. Despite a massive search, including one at the Miramar Landfill, Jahi has never been found. San Diego police are convinced that Jahi is dead, but they do not have enough evidence to file charges against anyone in connection with his disappearance.

Even after several years, many of these unsolved mysteries are still being looked into by members of local law enforcement cold case units.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12120578


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Post by: Shell on March 10, 2010, 10:12:27 PM
Does anyone have information if the family is planning any arrangments? I would like to send flowers so if that information can be posted or emailed to me I would really appreciate it. 



I remember the news saying Ambers family would have a private memorial service. If they gave a date and or time, I do not recall. I will let you know if I hear anything.

There is a public memorial service for Chelsea this weekend at Poway HS. The football field holds seating for 5,000 and they expect an overflow crowd. They are planning shuttle service.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 12:21:00 AM
Does anyone have information if the family is planning any arrangments? I would like to send flowers so if that information can be posted or emailed to me I would really appreciate it. 



I remember the news saying Ambers family would have a private memorial service. If they gave a date and or time, I do not recall. I will let you know if I hear anything.

There is a public memorial service for Chelsea this weekend at Poway HS. The football field holds seating for 5,000 and they expect an overflow crowd. They are planning shuttle service.

Thank you for letting me know about Chelsea. Her death still rocks me. I am haunted by that one pic of her so happy and jumping about. Her family should be planning her graduation, not her funeral. May she rest in peace. 


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 12:24:37 AM
Sorry I have a double post although one is blank? Not sure how that happened. Would a mod please delete the second one? Thanks!

YW.  Fixed.  Maybe the forum reset as you posted or something like that.  No worries.  MB


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Post by: klaasend on March 11, 2010, 09:41:56 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/11/forensic-scientists-look-for-answers/

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/10/UTI1505409_t600.jpg?42b0fb247f69dabe2ae440581a34634cbc5420f3)
March 10, 2010 | Photo by K.C. Alfred

Investigators this week searched in the area where the skeletal remains of Amber Dubois were found.



Forensic scientists look for answers
Many variables confront investigations of deaths of 2 North County teens


By John Wilkens, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.

Forensic scientists investigating the deaths of two North County teens already know the “who” — Chelsea King and Amber Dubois. Now they’re focused on the “when” and the “how.”

Each case presents its own challenges, and the answers aren’t likely to be as simple — or come as quickly — as the TV franchise “CSI” makes the process appear.

“There are just so many variables,” said Dr. Harry Bonnell, a former San Diego County deputy medical examiner now in private practice.

Variables such as where the bodies were buried, how deeply and for how long.

Although tedious or gruesome, the details they unearth will play a key role in any criminal prosecution. John Albert Gardner III, 30, a convicted sex offender, has been charged with murdering and raping Chelsea and is a focus of Amber’s case.

Even before a judge issued a gag order Tuesday, investigators were tight-lipped about both cases. Little is known publicly beyond when and where remains were found.

Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway High School senior, disappeared Feb. 25 while running at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on dirt trails that border Lake Hodges. A body was found five days later in a shallow grave near the water, and Gardner was charged in her death.

Amber, 14, vanished Feb. 13, 2009, while walking to Escondido High School. Her skeletal remains, identified through dental records, were found Saturday off a narrow, winding road north of the Pala Indian Reservation.

From a forensic standpoint, a case like Chelsea’s would probably be pretty straightforward, said Bonnell, who performed about 7,000 autopsies during his 20-year career as a medical examiner and now reviews about 150 cases yearly, mostly as a criminal-defense expert.

He said he wouldn’t expect much decomposition because of the time frame, because it was rainy and cool outside — cooler weather slows the process — and because the body was buried.

The more intact a body, the easier it is to determine certain kinds of trauma such as strangling or knife wounds, Bonnell said.

Burial would lessen the chance that insect or animal activity had disturbed the body.

A typical autopsy — county pathologists conduct 3,000 annually — takes about four hours. They’re done in the county Medical Examiner’s Office, a $73 million facility in Kearny Mesa that opened three months ago. The office has a staff of 50 and an annual budget of $8 million.

Once an exam is finished, the pathologist decides on the cause of death and the manner, such as homicide, accident, natural, suicide or undetermined. In Chelsea’s case, those findings have been sealed.

Amber’s case is more complicated. “Skeletal remains are among the most difficult, if not the most difficult, cases we have,” said Greg Wyatt, Sacramento County coroner.

The site typically becomes an archaeological dig, excavated layer by layer. Nothing is removed until it is fully exposed, photographed and mapped. Sides of a makeshift grave are examined for marks that might reveal what kind of tool was used. Soil under the skeleton is tested to see if decomposition happened there or if the remains had been moved. The work often takes more than a week.

Forensic entomologists, who study insect activity as a way to determine time of death, are sometimes called in. David Faulkner, an entomologist from San Diego, said there aren’t usually live insects around skeletons, but they sometimes leave traces.

“You can’t tell when the person died exactly, but you may be able to determine the season of the year based upon pupae cases and other insect detritus in the soil,” he said. “If you find sufficient pupae of a cold weather species of insect, you can roughly estimate how long the body has been there.”

Forensic anthropologists — bone experts — also play a role, both at the scene and in the lab. Elizabeth Miller, who does such work for law enforcement in Los Angeles, said she’s looking for bullet holes, blunt-force fractures, knife marks.

“But most skeletonized remains you don’t find a lot of signs of trauma,” said Miller, an anthropology professor at California State University Los Angeles.

That makes it hard to determine a cause of death, although sometimes clothing is found with cuts or tears in them that can be revealing. Bonnell and Wyatt said it’s common in skeletal cases to never figure out the cause. But that doesn’t preclude examiners from reaching a conclusion on the manner of death.

In the case of Chandra Levy, the Washington, D.C., intern from Modesto who was missing for 13 months before her remains were found in a park in May 2002, the medical examiner couldn’t say how she died. But because her running pants were found with no bones in them — and with unusual knots in the legs — authorities concluded there was foul play and her death was a homicide.

Her accused killer is awaiting trial.

And even when they can’t pinpoint a cause or manner of death, pathologists are sometimes able to identify a time range — in the Levy case, they said the remains were “consistent” with her having died on or about the day she disappeared.

Such a finding can bring some solace to families tortured by the idea that — if they had searched harder or longer — they would have been able to find their loved one alive.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on March 11, 2010, 09:47:44 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10002754.html
48 Hours Mystery
Amber Dubios: Missing Teen Murdered
The search for missing 14-year-old Amber Dubois has now shifted to the search for her killer. The bones of the Southern California girl, who vanished on Feb.13, 2009 while walking to school, were discovered on March 6, 2010, in a rugged, remote area of San Diego, according to police. FULL COVERAGE: http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-504083_162-504083.html?keyword=amber+dubois&tag=contentMain;contentBody
Photos:  http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10002754.html?tag=page
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/03/10/001_15.jpg)   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Ampersand on March 11, 2010, 12:22:23 PM
Does anyone have information if the family is planning any arrangments? I would like to send flowers so if that information can be posted or emailed to me I would really appreciate it. 

We are working through the difficult task of preparing for a public as well as a private memorial service for our sweet Amber.  I will be sure to let you know when the public memorial plans have been finalized - tentatively set for 3/27 - thanks.   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 11, 2010, 12:44:21 PM
Does anyone have information if the family is planning any arrangments? I would like to send flowers so if that information can be posted or emailed to me I would really appreciate it. 

We are working through the difficult task of preparing for a public as well as a private memorial service for our sweet Amber.  I will be sure to let you know when the public memorial plans have been finalized - tentatively set for 3/27 - thanks.   ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank-you  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 12:53:49 PM
Does anyone have information if the family is planning any arrangments? I would like to send flowers so if that information can be posted or emailed to me I would really appreciate it. 

We are working through the difficult task of preparing for a public as well as a private memorial service for our sweet Amber.  I will be sure to let you know when the public memorial plans have been finalized - tentatively set for 3/27 - thanks.   ::MonkeyAngel::

thank you


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Post by: Edward on March 11, 2010, 01:01:49 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/10/UTI1505409_t600.jpg)

The site typically becomes an archaeological dig, excavated layer by layer. Nothing is removed until it is fully exposed, photographed and mapped. Sides of a makeshift grave are examined for marks that might reveal what kind of tool was used. Soil under the skeleton is tested to see if decomposition happened there or if the remains had been moved. The work often takes more than a week.

Forensic entomologists, who study insect activity as a way to determine time of death, are sometimes called in. David Faulkner, an entomologist from San Diego, said there aren’t usually live insects around skeletons, but they sometimes leave traces.

“You can’t tell when the person died exactly, but you may be able to determine the season of the year based upon pupae cases and other insect detritus in the soil,” he said. “If you find sufficient pupae of a cold weather species of insect, you can roughly estimate how long the body has been there.”

Forensic anthropologists — bone experts — also play a role, both at the scene and in the lab. Elizabeth Miller, who does such work for law enforcement in Los Angeles, said she’s looking for bullet holes, blunt-force fractures, knife marks.

“But most skeletonized remains you don’t find a lot of signs of trauma,”  said Miller, an anthropology professor at California State University Los Angeles.

That makes it hard to determine a cause of death, although sometimes clothing is found with cuts or tears in them that can be revealing. Bonnell and Wyatt said it’s common in skeletal cases to never figure out the cause. But that doesn’t preclude examiners from reaching a conclusion on the manner of death.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
That pic is just so difficult to look at.


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Post by: Edward on March 11, 2010, 03:04:26 PM
The Mexican indigenous people believe that where the body died is where the soul resides.
That is why you see flowers along the side of the road after an auto accident. I have seen many little houses with little furniture and beautifully built and placed along the roads of Mexico so that a soul will have a place to reside and family members bring new flowers all the time and keep the house looking nice..

maybe a memorial can be placed at this location.

very sad and disturbing photo. true.


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Post by: labubske on March 11, 2010, 03:56:18 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/jun/15/bn15attempt-kidnap-girl/

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/may/23/1m23pubsafe234233-public-safety/

http://apps.sdsheriff.net/press/Default.aspx?FileLink=2e53c656-9c35-4aa9-b992-b48de60cd916

http://apps.sdsheriff.net/press/Default.aspx?FileLink=fcb085af-1a0d-43d3-a8a4-144b88e7c3e6

http://apps.sdsheriff.net/press/Default.aspx?FileLink=0009e5b4-0daa-425a-8662-b2d0af159586

As I was looking around for unsolved kidnappings, murders, sexual assaults and so on...I found these links.  It seems that there is another man trying to abduct kids in the area.  Just FYI...



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Post by: Edward on March 11, 2010, 04:26:04 PM
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/03/10/001_15.jpg)

I want to remember Amber just like this..

My family has a connection to the Monterey Bay Aquarium through a membership and my youngest son desires to be a Penquinologist.. Yes there is such a thing, ::MonkeyWink:: and he is in line to take care of them weekly and visits them often.

I will always think of Amber when he does.. Just like this.

She is beautiful.



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Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 04:39:39 PM
New details reveal that John Gardner fathered twins  (with video)

We’re learning more about John Albert Gardner III.  The man charged with Chelsea King’s murder and rape, and who is being investigated for Amber Dubois’ murder, is a father and the son of a highly-educated mother.

John Gardner’s mother and his stepfather, Cathy Osborne and Kevin O’Neill, are both members of the San Diego Hash House Harriers, a group that describes itself as a “Drinking Club with a Running Problem.”

On Dec. 27, the group hosted a running event on the same day and location where John Gardner is accused of attacking a woman.

Gardner’s stepfather wrote in the group’s newsletter that day, “Disturbing news at the start…when other members…give us word that a girl had been attacked that morning in the trails where we would be running.”

Kevin O’Neill runs a family photo touch up company out of his Rancho Bernardo home while Cathy teaches behavioral health at Scripps.

On her LinkedIn page, Cathy says she cares for “some of the most challenging psychiatric patients.”

Court documents from 2000 show her son, John Gardner, took at least 8 different psychiatric medications while living with Cathy, including Ritalin, Zoloft, and Paxil.

Last week, Chelsea King’s parents told San Diego 6 that they believed Cathy was putting neighbors in danger by allowing her son to stay at her home.  ”Anyone who is a parent cannot in good conscious sit there and say, ‘Yes, it’s okay to let this person live next door.’  You cannot — you cannot tell me.”

Now we’re learning Gardner is a parent of twin boys.  But the convicted sex offender never married his children’s mother.

By 2009, The Enterprise Report says, he was living with Jariah Baker at an apartment not far from Escondido High School where 14-year-old Amber Dubois disappeared.  Sources tell us Baker is now working with authorities on the Dubois murder investigation.

The black Nissan Sentra that Gardner was seen driving is registered to Baker.  The Enterprise Report obtained a ticket John Gardner received while driving the sedan on January 30th in Lake Elsinore.

He was stopped at a DUI check point and ticketed for failing to have registration or proof of insurance.

Last week, San Diego 6 broke the story of a man matching Gardner’s description following another young girl in a black car as she walked home from Bernardo Heights Middle School.  The suspect in that case was eventually scared off.

Sources said the black Sentra was seized by investigators.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins


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Post by: Edward on March 11, 2010, 04:48:01 PM
She must have known a lot about him and his activities..  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 04:52:15 PM
She must have known a lot about him and his activities..  ::MonkeyCool::
I wondered if it may have been someone who felt safe now that he was in jail to come forward (not saying it was her as we do not know) .  Glad she is working with LE. 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 05:11:12 PM
More than 200 sign up to clear brush
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.

ESCONDIDO — More than 200 people have volunteered to help clear overgrown brush from the trails of the 283-acre Kit Carson Park from 9 a.m. to noon Saturday.

The outpouring of volunteerism came after Escondido publicized its increasing budget problems and after the death of 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway. Chelsea went missing Feb. 25 after she went for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. John Albert Gardner III, a registered sex offender, has been charged with rape and murder.

Gardner also is the focus of the police investigation into the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido, who disappeared in February 2008 while walking to Escondido High School. Amber’s remains were found in a remote part of the Pala Indian Reservation over the weekend.

Last night, at a City Council meeting, Escondido community services director Jerry Van Leeuwen said volunteers for the brush clearing include the Kiwanis Club of Escondido, Emmanuel Faith Community Church, college and high school students, Girl Scouts San Diego-Imperial Council and Boy Scouts of America Kit Carson District.

Students from Escondido High School, who attended the council meeting to plead for more stringent control over sex offenders, also said they will help in the brush clearing.

“This is tremendously exciting — all the response from the community — in light of our budget issues and the tragic events,” Van Leeuwen said. “This is a little bit of community therapy too.”

Those who wish to volunteer Saturday should wear long-sleeved shirts, long pants and sunscreen and bring gloves, garden tools, pruners, hedgers and loppers, but leave power tools behind for safety reasons, Van Leeuwen said.

Younger volunteers will be asked to help with water runs.

The work will concentrate on the south end of the park, on the bike and walking trails. Nature preserves will be marked to protect wildlife habitats, Van Leeuwen said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/11/more-200-sign-clear-brush/


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 05:13:57 PM
Is This Gardner's Car?

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/410*307/IMG00251.jpg)

A car believed to have belonged to the man accused of murdering Chelsea King was towed from an Escondido wrecking yard on Thursday morning and taken to a city holding facility.

As of 1 p.m., Escondido police had not returned a phone call to confirm the car did, in fact, belong to Gardner or the circumstances surrounding the impounding of the vehicle. Earlier this week in San Diego Superior Court, Judge David Danielson issued a gag order in the case involving John Gardner, who, in addition to being a suspect in the King case is also a focus of the investigation in the death of Amber Dubois.
 
The owner of Cardinal Auto Wrecking, however, said detectives asked him not to comment on the vehicle, an indication that there is a possible connection to Gardner.
 
The owner would not say, however, who brought in the vehicle to the salvage yard or confirm when it was brought in. The yard is located exactly three blocks from Gardner's last known residence in Escondido on Rock Springs Road.
 
The car towed from the wrecking yard on Thursday morning is a gold 1999 Grand Prix. That information may be significant. In October, a man bearing a resemblance to Gardner in a composite sketch was being sought in Riverside County for attempting to force a girl into a car at gunpoint as she walked to school. The girl was able to run away. She described the suspect's car at the time as a "'90s era gold four-door sedan, unknown make." That description would seem to match the car that was towed from the wreckage lot on Thursday.
 
The car was at the tow yard since January, sources said. The owner of the wreckage yard would not confirm the date but did say the vehicle identification numbers were forwarded to the DMV and Department of Justice, as is required by law. He also said the car was brought in with "front end damage." When it was towed away Thursday, the car appeared to have other damage as well. However, that could have been because parts of the car had been used as salvage.

Gardner is being held without bail. His preliminary hearing has been scheduled for Aug. 4.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Is-This-Gardners-Car.html


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 05:14:41 PM
She must have known a lot about him and his activities..  ::MonkeyCool::
I wondered if it may have been someone who felt safe now that he was in jail to come forward (not saying it was her as we do not know) .  Glad she is working with LE. 

I am glad as well.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 05:23:38 PM
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/03/10/001_15.jpg)

I want to remember Amber just like this..

My family has a connection to the Monterey Bay Aquarium through a membership and my youngest son desires to be a Penquinologist.. Yes there is such a thing, ::MonkeyWink:: and he is in line to take care of them weekly and visits them often.

I will always think of Amber when he does.. Just like this.

She is beautiful.

What a nice pick Edward. She looks so happy and beautiful in this pic, I like it much better then the area she was found. I love the pics of her taken the night of that dance. Carrie told me the story of that night, how excited she was that all of her friends loved her hair and dress. To me it reminds me of my first formal dance and how much fun that night was.

BTW, I love the Monterey Bay AQ. My husband and I went there a few months back, it was so beautiful. Monterey is such a gorgeous place, I made him promise me we will retire there, maybe we will be neighbors, lol.



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Post by: klaasend on March 11, 2010, 07:07:15 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22814264/detail.html

Report: Gardner Violated Parole Terms In 2007

POSTED: 2:59 pm PST March 11, 2010
UPDATED: 3:55 pm PST March 11, 2010

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A convicted sex offender charged with murdering one California teenager and under investigation for another killing violated his parole by moving too close to a school but was allowed to remain free, according to records obtained Thursday by The Associated Press.

Had John Albert Gardner III been returned to prison in 2007 he would have been evaluated for commitment to a state mental hospital as a sexually violent predator. He also would have qualified for wearing an electronic tracking device for the rest of his life.

"It was just an incompetent decision that didn't protect public safety," said state Sen. George Runner, who wrote Jessica's Law, the sex offender law approved by voters in 2006.

"And now we have, what, two victims and who knows what else is out there?" he said.

The parole records show state officials found Gardner illegally living within a half-mile of a school in September 2007 and decided to keep him on parole. The records show at least five later violations, the last on Sept. 8, 2008, just 18 days before Gardner was let go from parole supervision and his location-tracking GPS bracelet removed from his ankle.

Each time, the decision was "COP:" Continue on Parole.

"All the indications were there saying that this was a very serious situation," said Nancy Kincaid, spokeswoman for the state Department of Mental Health. "A very serious evaluation would have been followed all the way through."

Gardner's attorney, Michael John Popkins, did not return a telephone message left by AP. He is under a court-ordered gag order not to talk about the case.

Gardner, 30, served five years in prison and three years of parole after pleading guilty in 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl.

He pleaded not guilty last week to murdering Chelsea King, 17, whose presumed body was found March 2 buried in a park near her hometown of Poway.

He also is charged with assaulting a woman in the same park in December, and is a suspect but has not been charged in the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois as she walked to school in Escondido in early 2009.

Her skeletal remains were found Saturday on an Indian reservation.

"There was nothing to indicate then that he would do this, or allegedly do this," said Oscar Hidalgo, spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. "I guess one can always look back, but we don't have the luxury."

In fact, Gardner was considered to be a low- or moderate-risk sex offender, based on the assessment in use at the time, Hidalgo said.

He wasn't sent back to prison in September 2007 because he corrected the residency violation by moving away from a college campus that had a day care center, Hidalgo said.

He had six other technical violations -- one more than shown in the records obtained by the AP, Hidalgo said.

Four involved letting the battery on his ankle bracelet run low, one for missing a meeting with his parole officer, and one for alleged marijuana possession that couldn't be substantiated.

"These are considered minor. Quite frankly if we were to blanket the system of parolees with minor offenses, we would ... overwhelm the system. We'd close the system down," Hidalgo said.

Laura Ahearn, executive director of New York-based Parents for Megan's Law and The Crime Victims Center, said parole agents missed a chance to possibly put Gardner away for years.

"A technical violation is an opportunity to take sexual predators off the street. Most would be looking for that opportunity," she said. "He could have been confined, and this may never have happened."

If officials ruled that Gardner violated his parole, they could have sent him back to prison, though most serve only about four extra months behind bars. However, the new prison term would have extended his parole supervision.

The violation also would have put Gardner under the jurisdiction of Jessica's Law and permitted lifetime electronic monitoring. In addition, it would have permitted Gardner's evaluation as a sexually violent predator, potentially keeping him locked up in a state mental health hospital for years.

Gardner couldn't be committed to a state mental hospital after the 2000 case because the law then required at least two victims. Jessica's Law now allows evaluations after just one.

Kincaid, the mental health spokeswoman, said Gardner might have been committed for having an underlying mental disorder and a likelihood that he would reoffend. However, the law involving commitment generally requires that the victim be a stranger. In this case, his victim was a neighbor who had known and trusted him for a year.

Gardner's 2000 probation report included comments from a psychiatrist who concluded he had "significant predatory traits" and should be kept in prison for as long as possible.

Kincaid said it was unclear from the records if the traits would qualify him as a sexually violent predator under the law.

The AP independently obtained computer-generated portions of Gardner's parole record after the corrections department reported it had routinely destroyed its paper field notes a year after Gardner was released from parole.

The department disclosed Tuesday that portions of the file were transferred to Gardner's central file.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 08:14:07 PM
North County students turn grief into action

ESCONDIDO— In the wake of the killings of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois, Escondido High School students are turning grief and fear into action.

The associated student body is organizing a petition drive with Poway High School students to tighten laws that regulate sexual predators. A registered sex offender has been charged with rape murder in Chelsea’s death and is also a suspect in Amber’s slaying.

The student leaders started their campaign Wednesday night at an Escondido City Council meeting, wearing black T-shirts with the words “am i not worth protecting?” printed on the front. All the words were in white, except for “i,” which was bright pink.

They said students are now afraid to walk to school, park far away from their churches, or be alone. So they started a petition drive to collect 6,000 names by the end of the month from all three Escondido high schools and Poway High.

The students will present the results to the Escondido City Council at the end of this month and go on to petition Assembly and Congressional representatives.

After Wednesday’s meeting, the students said they didn’t know 14-year-old Amber but she was one of their own, a student at Escondido High School. Amber disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to campus. Her skeletal remains were found in a remote in remote area near Pala on Saturday.

Their ASB adviser, Heather Weiner, said she has contacted her counterpart at Poway High School, which 17-year-old Chelsea attended, and has received support for the idea. Weiner also plans to help the students expand their petition drive to all North County schools.

Chelsea disappeared while jogging on a trail at Rancho Bernardo Community Park Feb. 25. Her body was later found in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, of Lake Elsinore, awaits trial.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/11/north-county-students-turn-grief-action/


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Post by: sebastian on March 11, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
SAN DIEGO -- 10News learned staff members at Scripps Mercy Hospital are upset about the mother of accused killer John Gardner returning to work.

Sources told 10News Scripps Mercy staff members were summoned to a 3 p.m. meeting Thursday to discuss the issue of Cathy Osborn's return to the hospital. The staff members were asked to dress in street clothes and come in through the front door.

Osborn is a registered nurse and is a supervisor in the behavioral health unit at Scripps Mercy. However, a 10News viewer and co-worker of Osborn sent in the following e-mail:

"Cannot tell you who I am for fear of being harassed, but his mother Cathy Osborn is going back to work at Scripps Mercy Hospital in behavioral health. She let her son live with her and had a key to her house and now is in a position of authority on a psychiatric unit where other sex offenders or psychiatric patients are placed based on her position … She knew he was a danger and never reported him. Her judgment could let other people out of a psychiatric facility that should not be. Staff do not respect her anymore and have to listen to her because she is in a position of authority. This is not right … Staff do not want to work with her and she is coming back to work."

Another co-worker called 10News and said "there's quite a few of us" feeling the same way and that there was a "big sigh of relief" that the word got out. She also said she believed it was in "bad taste" that Osborn continue teaching self-defense classes, and "when she came back Tuesday and walked in ready to teach class as usual, a lot of them walked out."

Scripps Mercy refused to discuss anything regarding the information the anonymous co-workers shared with 10News and said it was "inappropriate … a personnel issue."

10News learned staff members were dismissed from the 3 p.m. meeting at the last minute and told to set up individual meeting sessions.

While it will be five months before her son has his preliminary hearing, Osborn is already being judged at her place of employment.

http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html


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Post by: klaasend on March 11, 2010, 11:28:12 PM
Wow


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 11:28:41 PM
Good I hope they fire her. She should not be working for this population of people. Many families are relying on her to have the best judgement possible so their loved one will be cared for properly. She deserves to be treated with harsh judgement, this is no time for political correctness. I say this as a mother to a child with a disability.


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Post by: cartfly on March 11, 2010, 11:30:27 PM
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/03/10/001_15.jpg)

I want to remember Amber just like this..

My family has a connection to the Monterey Bay Aquarium through a membership and my youngest son desires to be a Penquinologist.. Yes there is such a thing, ::MonkeyWink:: and he is in line to take care of them weekly and visits them often.

I will always think of Amber when he does.. Just like this.

She is beautiful.


I completely agree Edward. This is one of my favorite pictures of Amber too. What a beautiful young lady. Wow, your son will get to take of the penguins!! That will be such an incredible experience for him.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:34:56 AM
News 8 Investigation: FBI seizes white pickup truck once owned by Gardner
 
http://kfmb.images.worldnow.com/images/12127421_BG1.jpg

The FBI has seized a white pickup truck that sex offender John Gardner may have been driving at the time Amber Dubois went missing. Investigators are looking for DNA inside the truck that could link Amber Dubois to the accused killer. In this News 8 Investigation we learn that vehicles driven by Gardner could become key pieces of evidence.

The 2004 Chevy Silverado was repossessed from Gardner around the same time Amber Dubois went missing in February 2009. It was sold to a new owner last year at used car lot in the Wilmington neighborhood of Los Angeles.  The manager of the car lot remembers buying the truck at auction.

"It's just a standard, white Silverado pickup with four doors. We purchased it on the 9th of March of 2009 at the South Bay Auction, which is in Gardena," Ulises Galvez said.

FBI agents seized the vehicle Wednesday in Los Angeles from its current owner, an immigrant who purchased the truck last year from the Kar Connections lot in Wilmington. Agents told the current owner they needed to impound the truck for several weeks to test it for DNA.

The car lot manager says the truck was cleaned before they sold it.

"We shampoo the carpets and the seats and then wash the windows and the dash," Galvez said.

DMV records show Gardner purchased the truck in 2006. He was driving it in Nov. 2008 when he received a misdemeanor citation for possession of marijuana in Oceanside.

It was repossessed in Feb. 2009, and a short time later Gardner purchased a new vehicle.

The Heller Ford dealership in Escondido confirms Gardner paid cash for a gold, 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix in June 2009. A few months later, a Lake Elsinore girl told deputies a man who looked like Gardner tried to force her into a gold-colored Pontiac, but she got away.

Court records show Gardner has received five traffic tickets and citations since 2008, and each time the citation shows him driving a different vehicle.

In 2008 he was driving a black Hyundai four-door sedan. In 2008 and 2009 he was driving the white Chevy pickup recently seized by the FBI. In April 2009 a traffic ticket shows Gardner was driving his girlfriend's grey Ford Focus. Later in 2009, he was behind the wheel of the gold Pontiac Grand Prix. Finally, in Jan. 2010, a traffic ticket shows him driving a 2002 black Nissan Sentra with a significant amount of damage.

Records show at least two of those cars were registered to Gardner's girlfriend, 28-year-old Jariah Baker. News 8 has confirmed Baker is currently living in a residential drug and alcohol rehab house in Escondido called Serenity House. She did not respond to News 8's emails and phone messages asking for a comment.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12127421


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:36:32 AM
I hope the twins are safe and with someone who loves them right now.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:49:44 AM
A Way to Keep Our Daughters Safer … and Alive 

The minute the flasher began appearing in the tiny coastal  town of El Segundo – targeting mostly females from ages 9 to 19, officers didn’t sit around second guessing. They jumped all over it. Because the white male shucked down his pants and made other assorted, unpleasant gestures, they contacted schools so they could warn parents. When students informed school officials of additional incidents, schools contacted police. In addition, El Segundo officers alerted neighboring police agencies.

But they took it one step further – they made it a media blitz nearly every time the flasher struck.

Continually, the flasher story – with three different composite sketches – appeared on television networks and in newspapers across Los Angeles County over the past 14 months, since the incidents started.

It would surprise me if many El Segundo residents – in fact, Los Angeles residents – were unaware of this case.

“I believed from experience it could escalate,” said police Lt. Brian Evanski, whose department oversees the safety of El Segundo, whose 17,000 residents live on the southern edge of huge Los Angeles International Airport. “We were fearful it could turn into grabbing, touching and maybe even kidnapping.”

It was with elation that Evanski reported they believe they bagged their man after an arrest on March 4 before he had a chance to harm anyone. This is the approach all police departments – big or small -- need to take when a stalker of any kind appears– such as the beautiful jogging trails around Lake Hodges, where Chelsea King once jogged alone.

This past weekend, the skeletal remains of Amber Dubois, 14, whose been missing for nearly a year after she vanished while walked to Escondido High School, were discovered about 30 miles north of Escondido, in Pala, an Indian reservation. Police are investigating whether it’s linked to Chelsea’s case.

As I listened at El Segundo’s press conference, I couldn’t help but wonder about the parallels and what went wrong in and around Northern San Diego County – where better response to a couple of scary incidents may have prevented the horrendous death of Chelsea, a sweet 17-year-old by all accounts.

Faster police action and an Amber Alert might have saved Amber.

Had local law enforcement acted the same way El Segundo’s did – even though San Diego County sheriff deputies and Escondido police have thousands more residents to care for -- Chelsea and maybe even Amber might be alive today.

I say this because other events happened before Chelsea took to the trails near the lake where she routinely jogged. And they were far more threatening.

Amber had disappeared and another woman had been attacked on the trails.

Chelsea, a straight-A student at Poway High School who played the French horn in the San Diego Youth Symphony, disappeared in late February when she was out  at Lake Hodges, within Rancho Bernard Community Park, a favorite with nearby residents. It’s an area my sister and I have frequented many times for solo walks.

Lake Hodges, somewhat shaped like an upside-down V with a tail, winds south of Escondido, about a mile north of Rancho Bernardo and partly under Interstate 15. Perched just 31 miles north of downtown San Diego and a fisherman’s haunt, it’s surrounded by several suburban communities, including the upscale Rancho Santa Fe to the west, Poway to the east and San Marcos to the north.

Chelsea apparently was grabbed,  murdered and buried in shallow grave near a lake tributary. Police later apprehended and arrested registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, a 6’ 2”, 230-pound white male. He was eating at the Hideaway, a popular Mexican restaurant at the northwest tip of the lake.

He was charged with murder in an attempt to commit rape and had been already convicted for attacking a 13-year-old neighbor in 2000 at his mother’s town house near the park where Chelsea disappeared. The girl said he fondled her and repeatedly punched her in the face until she made her escape.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to Chelsea’s murder and additional charges of the “allegation of murder during the commission of a rape or attempted rape,” news reports said.

Police will not say yet whether Amber’s case might be linked to Chelsea’s. But after Chelsea’s death, Escondido police intensified their focus on her disappearance – and said they were acting on a tip at a news conference. Amber was identified through dental records and before I finished this story, Amber’s mother called me on Sunday to tell me her daughter’s remains had been found the day before.

“It’s a horrible ending,” said her mother, Carrie McGonigle, who called her daughter sheltered and bookish on the a website the family established in search for Amber. The parents, her father, Maurice Dubois, and Carrier, who were no loner together, had done intense searching on their own – issuing fliers and hiring private investigators to find their freckle-faced girl.

It seems to me the 130 pound Amber nor the 113-pound Chelsea  stood a chance; and yes, I am  irritated when I hear people say Chelsea should not have been on the trails alone even if it was the early afternoon.

Maybe so. But this is something many girls and women, including myself, would have been guilty of.

Since my sister lives down the road from Lake Hodges,  I have walked trails there many times – alone  like Chelsea – after parking in the same lot where her car was found. My sister, who often took her dogs, also walked or jogged alone. This was a popular and seemingly safe place to do so in the affluent enclave.

The lake is encircled by sandy shorelines, singing birds and intense but beautiful shrubbery and thickets – with many users. I was always more afraid of coyotes and mountain lions than an attacker.  Now, I’ve learned. But we might not have had to – if the police had – like El Segundo – made a bigger ordeal out of an earlier attack at the lake.

Last Dec. 27, a woman in her 20s was jogging near the West Bernardo Drive side of the lake when a man approached her, said hello and then tackled her. He appeared to be about 25. The woman escaped by hitting him in the nose with her elbow, according to news accounts.

Few heard about this incident, which might have warned walkers, joggers and hikers to think twice about going there alone. Gardner has now been charged in that case and authorities are investigating if he’s connected to Amber’s death.

Amber  was last seen on Feb. 13, 2009, about 7:10 a.m. outside Escondido High School –  less than 10 miles from Lake Hodges. No “Amber Alert” was issued because she was considered a potential runaway, according to the KidsSafeWebsite.

“It appears that because she is 14, she is of the ‘runaway’ age, especially because she has divorced parents and that is the stance that the officials are taking.  They say that this Amber does not meet the criteria for an Amber Alert,” wrote  Kymberley Page for Children’s Educational Network. “I can’t remember ever hearing that child predators seek out only children that are from traditional family units and that they aren’t interested in children after they turn 14.  Have you ever heard that?”

Kids like Amber don’t run away just after receiving the lamb they wanted for their 4-H Club project.

She was also towing  Valentine cards for her friends at school. Even if they do, we still need to search for them, as they are still lambs in a world of predators.

Amber’s disappearance attracted less media attention than Chelsea’s. But that’s for a reason. The Escondido Police Department didn’t react with the same  concern as El Segundo’s did.

Having been a journalist for decades, I understand that media reaction often reflects police reaction. It takes a nosy journalist to sniff out a bigger story when the police aren’t jumping up and down about it.

When they don’t, we typically don’t, either.

However, in Chelsea’s case, the San Diego Sheriff’s Department did haul out the big guns. They called the media, brought in searchers, dogs and helicopters. Two things probably prompted the deputies to do a giant media blitz in this case:

•   They knew Amber disappeared only 10 miles from Lake Hodges and that another jogger had been attacked there.

•   Chelsea’s car was found in the lot near the lake along with her cell phone and purse, a big indicator that she was no runaway.

All of this adds up to this thought. Police – like journalists – should never make assumptions. When we do, it gets us into trouble.

The minute a kid of any age disappears, we should all be out in force: Contact the schools, get searches going, let the dogs out, arrange for Amber Alerts, do media blitzes and pass the news over the Internet.

The other question is how did no one seem to know about this unseen force in our midst. Gardner had several addresses, one in Lake Ellsinore and another in Escondido. His parents also lived in Rancho Bernardo. And yet few knew that this sex offender was in or near their neighborhoods.

He was even listed on the Internet. Perhaps we all need to be more vigilant in checking about who lives in our neighborhoods.

Unlike in El Segundo – where authorities routinely reacted to the flasher and considered him a potential predator – authorities seemed to handle the Amber’s disappearance as routine and the jogger attack as another incident to file away .

Had the El Segundo flasher decided to turn violent, the police department had done everything in its power to deflect him by letting the public become remarkably aware.

The suspect, Jeffery William Freeman, 39, of Westchester, was spotted “rubbernecking” by an-off duty officer March 4 as he drove slowly around Richmond Street Elementary School about 7:10 a.m. in a car similar to what he flasher reportedly drove. Lt. Evanski said the officer felt “hairs rise on the back of his neck.” The officer called the police while tracking the suspect’s location.

Freeman came willingly to the police station and cooperated in a “long discussion,” Evanski said, which later led to his arrest that evening at the Carmel Hotel in Santa Monica on suspicion of 10 counts of indecent exposure and possession of a controlled substance.

His bail was set at $360,000, and he was released after posting bond.

“The frequency (of the incidents) really bothered me,” said El Segundo Mayor Kelly McDowell, who supported the department’s media campaign. “Nobody knew if he was going to escalate the crime.”
When Gardner was tried for the 2000 incident, one psychiatrist, Dr. Matthew Carroll, reported the man had no remorse and was not treatable.

The psychiatrist said Gardner’s behavior was likely to intensify and that underage girls would not be safe in a community where he resided. He recommended the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

However, Gardner was released and allegedly did exactly what El Segundo so carefully avoided; his activities allegedly escalated and people like Chelsea and perhaps Amber, paid for it.

Let’s pray no other girls have done so.

http://citywatchla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3303


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 01:02:56 AM
FBI Seizes White Pickup (Video)

http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&clipId=4615069&topVideoCatNo=undefined&autoStart=true


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 01:09:47 AM
Gardner violated parole in 2007 (video)
Parole officers could have sent him back to prison

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-gardner-parole-violation,0,4870637.story


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Post by: sebastian on March 12, 2010, 01:35:43 AM
Good I hope they fire her. She should not be working for this population of people. Many families are relying on her to have the best judgement possible so their loved one will be cared for properly. She deserves to be treated with harsh judgement, this is no time for political correctness. I say this as a mother to a child with a disability.

ITA Tracygirl. She runs around doing sexual things that are not the "NORM", she has a sex offender son that she allowed to be around her sexual group of friends, she allowed her son access to her home and allowed him to live in her home, (while not registered at her location), and she missed the obvious, HER SON IS A PREDATOR. It would be hard for me to take her seriously in her field of employment, much less have to answer to her! How ironic that she also teaches self-defense classes.


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Post by: mizjay on March 12, 2010, 02:56:40 AM
I hope the twins are safe and with someone who loves them right now.
Me too. What a terrible legacy to have to carry.  Wonder how long their mom has been in the drug treatment? I hope she can get right and heal from the drugs and from him.


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Post by: mizjay on March 12, 2010, 03:03:26 AM
Good I hope they fire her. She should not be working for this population of people. Many families are relying on her to have the best judgement possible so their loved one will be cared for properly. She deserves to be treated with harsh judgement, this is no time for political correctness. I say this as a mother to a child with a disability.

ITA Tracygirl. She runs around doing sexual things that are not the "NORM", she has a sex offender son that she allowed to be around her sexual group of friends, she allowed her son access to her home and allowed him to live in her home, (while not registered at her location), and she missed the obvious, HER SON IS A PREDATOR. It would be hard for me to take her seriously in her field of employment, much less have to answer to her! How ironic that she also teaches self-defense classes.

I can't believe she would want to return, I can't believe Scripps would allow her to return without some evaluation of the situation. FTLOG the whole community is practically needing grief counseling over the crimes HER SON committed and she feels okay about business as usual? Duh.. 


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 10:04:51 AM
Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job
Cathy Osborn Is Registered Nurse At Scripps Mercy Hospital

POSTED: 6:42 pm PST March 11, 2010
UPDATED: 7:55 pm PST March 11, 2010
[BUZZ: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [DELICIOUS: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [DIGG: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [FACEBOOK: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [REDDIT: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [RSS] [PRINT: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [EMAIL: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job]
SAN DIEGO -- 10News learned staff members at Scripps Mercy Hospital are upset about the mother of accused killer John Gardner returning to work.

Sources told 10News Scripps Mercy staff members were summoned to a 3 p.m. meeting Thursday to discuss the issue of Cathy Osborn's return to the hospital. The staff members were asked to dress in street clothes and come in through the front door.

Osborn is a registered nurse and is a supervisor in the behavioral health unit at Scripps Mercy. However, a 10News viewer and co-worker of Osborn sent in the following e-mail:

"Cannot tell you who I am for fear of being harassed, but his mother Cathy Osborn is going back to work at Scripps Mercy Hospital in behavioral health. She let her son live with her and had a key to her house and now is in a position of authority on a psychiatric unit where other sex offenders or psychiatric patients are placed based on her position … She knew he was a danger and never reported him. Her judgment could let other people out of a psychiatric facility that should not be. Staff do not respect her anymore and have to listen to her because she is in a position of authority. This is not right … Staff do not want to work with her and she is coming back to work."

Another co-worker called 10News and said "there's quite a few of us" feeling the same way and that there was a "big sigh of relief" that the word got out. She also said she believed it was in "bad taste" that Osborn continue teaching self-defense classes, and "when she came back Tuesday and walked in ready to teach class as usual, a lot of them walked out."

Scripps Mercy refused to discuss anything regarding the information the anonymous co-workers shared with 10News and said it was "inappropriate … a personnel issue."

10News learned staff members were dismissed from the 3 p.m. meeting at the last minute and told to set up individual meeting sessions.

While it will be five months before her son has his preliminary hearing, Osborn is already being judged at her place of employment.


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Post by: mymonkey on March 12, 2010, 10:18:06 AM
Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job
Cathy Osborn Is Registered Nurse At Scripps Mercy Hospital

POSTED: 6:42 pm PST March 11, 2010
UPDATED: 7:55 pm PST March 11, 2010
[BUZZ: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [DELICIOUS: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [DIGG: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [FACEBOOK: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [REDDIT: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [RSS] [PRINT: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job] [EMAIL: Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job]
SAN DIEGO -- 10News learned staff members at Scripps Mercy Hospital are upset about the mother of accused killer John Gardner returning to work.

Sources told 10News Scripps Mercy staff members were summoned to a 3 p.m. meeting Thursday to discuss the issue of Cathy Osborn's return to the hospital. The staff members were asked to dress in street clothes and come in through the front door.

Osborn is a registered nurse and is a supervisor in the behavioral health unit at Scripps Mercy. However, a 10News viewer and co-worker of Osborn sent in the following e-mail:

"Cannot tell you who I am for fear of being harassed, but his mother Cathy Osborn is going back to work at Scripps Mercy Hospital in behavioral health. She let her son live with her and had a key to her house and now is in a position of authority on a psychiatric unit where other sex offenders or psychiatric patients are placed based on her position … She knew he was a danger and never reported him. Her judgment could let other people out of a psychiatric facility that should not be. Staff do not respect her anymore and have to listen to her because she is in a position of authority. This is not right … Staff do not want to work with her and she is coming back to work."

Another co-worker called 10News and said "there's quite a few of us" feeling the same way and that there was a "big sigh of relief" that the word got out. She also said she believed it was in "bad taste" that Osborn continue teaching self-defense classes, and "when she came back Tuesday and walked in ready to teach class as usual, a lot of them walked out."

Scripps Mercy refused to discuss anything regarding the information the anonymous co-workers shared with 10News and said it was "inappropriate … a personnel issue."

10News learned staff members were dismissed from the 3 p.m. meeting at the last minute and told to set up individual meeting sessions.

While it will be five months before her son has his preliminary hearing, Osborn is already being judged at her place of employment.

Good Morning ::MonkeyHeart::

If I was Osborn I would be to embarrassed to show my face...but, as we have seen Hashers have no shame ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyEek::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 10:34:10 AM
I can't imagine that the hospital is going to keep her on, they may lose patients, and money is always the important thing.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:44:31 AM
I can't imagine that the hospital is going to keep her on, they may lose patients, and money is always the important thing.

I think they would have no cause to release her.  They could reassign her away from directly supervising staff and being around patients though.  There is nothing wrong with mopping floors. filing charts.....


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Post by: mymonkey on March 12, 2010, 11:45:13 AM
I can't imagine that the hospital is going to keep her on, they may lose patients, and money is always the important thing.

I see Osborn going down "hill" fast ::rhino::(pun intended) and as you mentioned earlier, I could not believe the amount of medications Jag was on as a teenager..looks to me he was over medicated, and if he is bi-polar I hope its not something the twins inherit. Jag needed to be neutered...no offspring should come from him...poor babies that have to grow up with his genes. ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 11:54:01 AM
I can't imagine that the hospital is going to keep her on, they may lose patients, and money is always the important thing.

I think they would have no cause to release her.  They could reassign her away from directly supervising staff and being around patients though.  There is nothing wrong with mopping floors. filing charts.....
She can clean out toilets also, because I figure the last thing a mental patient needs is her, and if I had a family member at the hospital for those issues I would make darn sure she wouldn't have any part of taking care of my loved one, but that's me. Maybe some people wouldn't care, and for all I know she may be a very good nurse.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 11:55:06 AM
I can't imagine that the hospital is going to keep her on, they may lose patients, and money is always the important thing.

I see Osborn going down "hill" fast ::rhino::(pun intended) and as you mentioned earlier, I could not believe the amount of medications Jag was on as a teenager..looks to me he was over medicated, and if he is bi-polar I hope its not something the twins inherit. Jag needed to be neutered...no offspring should come from him...poor babies that have to grow up with his genes. ::MonkeyNoNo::
To me there was no reason to put a teen on all that medication, heck an adult shouldn't be on all that.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:39:08 PM
"Suspicious" man lurking around schools in Escondido (video)

In Escondido, parents are being warned about a man hanging around a park near two schools. Now they're keeping an eye on things after at least two kids reported seeing the suspicious individual.

Ed Lenderman has the story. To view, click on the video icon above.

http://www.kusi.com/home/87417542.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:40:24 PM
Suspect arrested in possible abduction case

Police have taken a suspect into custody in La Mesa that they believe may have tried to abduct a 12-year-old girl.

Thursday, police say a man in his fifties approached the girl near Fletcher Parkway, while she was on her way to school, hugged her and then tried to kiss her.

The school's vice principal happened to be driving by, picked the girl up, drove her to school and called police.

Check cbs8.com for continuing updates on this Breaking News Alert. Also, watch News 8 at 11 for the latest information.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12130563


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:55:09 PM
Mourning the loss of Chelsea and Amber – there is help


Thousands of San Diego residents -– particularly those in the communities of Rancho Bernardo, Poway and Escondido -– turned out to mourn 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois at their respective candlelight vigils, just one week apart.

(http://www.sdnn.com/files/2010/03/Dubois-400x290.jpg)

Now, several of those thousands -– some of whom have never met the girls or their families -– are pouring into the offices of San Diego Hospice to talk about their unspeakable loss.

According to Liane Fry, licensed marriage and family therapist and program manager at the Center for Grief Care and Education for San Diego Hospice, the facility –- which specializes in end-of-life care -– has been getting calls from grieving community members wanting to talk since the search for King began February 25.

“Primarily, we are getting calls from people who were involved in the search or other parents,” she said.  “We are seeing a broader community response.  Given how well-publicized it was, it hit all of us so profoundly.”

Both girls were found dead within a week of each other, following their separate mysterious disappearances.

King, a 17-year-old Poway High School senior, was declared missing February 25 after she failed to return from a run near Rancho Bernardo Community Park.  She was found five days later, on March 2, in a shallow grave near the Lake Hodges shoreline.

Fourteen-year-old Amber Dubois was last seen February 13, 2009 outside Escondido High School.  Her 13-month search finally came to an end March 7, when a weekend tip led authorities to her human remains in Pala.

Lake Elsinore resident and registered sex offender, John Albert Gardner III, has been charged with murder and a special circumstance of rape or attempted rape in King’s case and is now of interest in the Dubois case as well.  Gardner last appeared in court for a status conference on March 9.

The tragic events, while truly traumatizing for those close to the girls and their families, can trigger strong feelings of loss in others, even if they were not directly connected to the events, Fry said.

“[The tragedy] acts as an echo into the losses they might be experiencing,” she said.  “They are stimulated by that loss.”

Those losses –- while most are indicative of a death –- can also include circumstances like divorce or incarceration, she said.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-12/lifestyle/mourning-the-loss-of-chelsea-and-amber-there-is-help


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Post by: Ampersand on March 12, 2010, 01:27:34 PM
Touching blogs and photos from Monday's Vigil for Amber...

http://www.photoshelter.com/c/paulgallaher/gallery/Amber-Dubois/G0000rGyHXRAgDVI

http://andrewfoulk.blogspot.com/2010/03/sad-goodbye.html


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 12, 2010, 01:44:18 PM
I can't imagine that the hospital is going to keep her on, they may lose patients, and money is always the important thing.

I see Osborn going down "hill" fast ::rhino::(pun intended) and as you mentioned earlier, I could not believe the amount of medications Jag was on as a teenager..looks to me he was over medicated, and if he is bi-polar I hope its not something the twins inherit. Jag needed to be neutered...no offspring should come from him...poor babies that have to grow up with his genes. ::MonkeyNoNo::
To me there was no reason to put a teen on all that medication, heck an adult shouldn't be on all that.

Do you have a link that has a list of the medications, doses and dates of JAG's medications?  Even if you have the list, I don't see you you could  assume he is over medicated.  It's not unusual for the doctors of some teens to try several different medications and work with dosages to get it right.  Sometimes a patient cannot tolerate a medication due to side effects.  Unless you have seen JAG's case history, I don't know how you can assume there was no reason to "put a teen on all that medication".   I personally have experience with teens that are taking and have taken medications and they are a-okay.  For example, if a person takes 50 mg. zoloft vs. 100 mg. zoloft doesn't mean the one with the lower dosage is any less depressed than the one with the higher dose.  It's about body chemistry.  Some doctors work with their patients along with the parents, counselors and etc. and try to get the best possible scenario for the patient.  Sometimes that includes taking one or more medications.  This doesn't mean the patient has serious issues imo.  Sometimes a patient may take a combination of drugs, because condictions are often comorbid (In medicine, comorbidity describes the effect of all other diseases an individual patient might have other than the primary disease of interest.)  A teen may be ADHD and it's not uncommon for them to suffer also from OCD or depression.  The teen may take a combination of Concerta or ritalin for example, for the ADHD and Zoloft for depression.  It may be some person's opinion this is too much mediction, but the doctor and patient may not think so, especially if there is good progress made.  I don't take medications lightly.  I just think unless you can see the total case history of someone, it's hard to judge what is and isn't over medication.  It is true, there are some that may be over medicated, sometimes ritalin or such are over prescribed.  But sometimes it can make a difference in a persons life.  Maybe JAG is/was over medicated, I don't know.  But it does show to me he had some sort of issues and it also tells me someone sought help.  Maybe the meds didn't work/were wrong.  Maybe he had more than one issue, which is common.  JMHO


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 01:54:58 PM
There is a list in several of the articles posted the meds that Gardner has all been on.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 12, 2010, 01:55:42 PM
I can't imagine that the hospital is going to keep her on, they may lose patients, and money is always the important thing.

I see Osborn going down "hill" fast ::rhino::(pun intended) and as you mentioned earlier, I could not believe the amount of medications Jag was on as a teenager..looks to me he was over medicated, and if he is bi-polar I hope its not something the twins inherit. Jag needed to be neutered...no offspring should come from him...poor babies that have to grow up with his genes. ::MonkeyNoNo::
To me there was no reason to put a teen on all that medication, heck an adult shouldn't be on all that.

Now you know I am in no way defending this mom, I cant' see anyone being on the medications at the same time without a serious medical problem occuring. There are times different meds are tried until you get the desired result. I am thinking that is what was done.


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 12, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
There is a list in several of the articles posted the meds that Gardner has all been on.

Thanks.  I remember one that mentioned ritalin, Zoloft and Paxil.  It's not that unusual to find a person that has been prescribed ritalin and zoloft or ritalin and paxil, due to the comorbidity that I mentioned in my previous post. 


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Post by: labubske on March 12, 2010, 02:11:44 PM
Suspect arrested in possible abduction case

Police have taken a suspect into custody in La Mesa that they believe may have tried to abduct a 12-year-old girl.

Thursday, police say a man in his fifties approached the girl near Fletcher Parkway, while she was on her way to school, hugged her and then tried to kiss her.

The school's vice principal happened to be driving by, picked the girl up, drove her to school and called police.

Check cbs8.com for continuing updates on this Breaking News Alert. Also, watch News 8 at 11 for the latest information.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12130563

Hmmm...I wonder if this is the same man that has a few other attempted abductions with area kids?  I posted a few links yesterday...but no one commented...so, I don't know if they were read.  I think that there is another predator out...be cautious there in the San Diego area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2010, 02:15:10 PM
Touching blogs and photos from Monday's Vigil for Amber...

http://www.photoshelter.com/c/paulgallaher/gallery/Amber-Dubois/G0000rGyHXRAgDVI

http://andrewfoulk.blogspot.com/2010/03/sad-goodbye.html

Thank You SO MUCH.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2010, 02:24:43 PM
I go on record for defending his mom..

She herself has not murdered anyone and every PROFESSIONAL doctor recommends those drugs and various others for ADHD.
It is NOT a crime to give those drugs and every medical school in the nation teaches them to give these drugs..

MOM has not murdered anybody..
 Mom has tried to FIX her son by following what she knows to be the right way..

The only thing mom is is stupid for not questioning the rules on these medications.
She would have gotten better results with a balanced life and diet in my humble opinion.

Who is guilty of teaching her and others to give these drugs is the AMA and the DRUG companies that push these drugs.. They teach them to give these drugs in college. It is part of her and others training.

Studies show.... Crap!!  I hate our medical system..!!

Anyways that is my rant on the AMA .. A drug association of criminals in my opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 12, 2010, 02:40:48 PM
has the kevin o'reilly board been deleted? the search engine is down or smething on scared monkeys.. anyway..looks like you all caught up on the news, things aren't going great for his mom, I don't think she deserves to be punished or to lose her job, her son had a mind of his own and he chose to do those things, I bet if his mom did catch him in the act she would have taken him down...I don't know so much about that but she could easily have done so, I am unemployed and I hope that LAW ENFORCEMENT will start putting up more jobs out there to keep an eye out on sex offenders or track them or whatever, i already applied for riverside sheriff's department and they turned me down for correctional officer so I am hoping something new will come up soon, I want to get in an academy and not necessarily be a police officer but I am a girl and I am afraid that because I am not outgoing and that I have never had a job they won't hire me. There's also more that can be done with missing people and I know I am going off on my rocker but couldn't they hire people to research and find those people, why does it always have to be FBI and the police and PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS! Don't you have to go to a college to get a bachelor's degree first?! People don't even have money to go to college, plus some jobs you have to be physically fit like run 4-6 miles at an 8 min pace. This angers me... because I know most of you in here know more about sex offenders than I do and would probably be better equipped at preventing these kind of crimes than a "professional"....Even my mom was turned down because she couldn't pass a simple written test that I lied throughout ebcause I never had a job. What is going on in this world?!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 12, 2010, 02:56:14 PM
I go on record for defending his mom..

She herself has not murdered anyone and every PROFESSIONAL doctor recommends those drugs and various others for ADHD.
It is NOT a crime to give those drugs and every medical school in the nation teaches them to give these drugs..

MOM has not murdered anybody..
 Mom has tried to FIX her son by following what she knows to be the right way..

The only thing mom is is stupid for not questioning the rules on these medications.
She would have gotten better results with a balanced life and diet in my humble opinion.

Who is guilty of teaching her and others to give these drugs is the AMA and the DRUG companies that push these drugs.. They teach them to give these drugs in college. It is part of her and others training.

Studies show.... Crap!!  I hate our medical system..!!

Anyways that is my rant on the AMA .. A drug association of criminals in my opinion.


When I was around 18 or 19 years old, my doctor asked me if I wanted any drugs or medication, I mean I didn't even have to ask...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 03:08:23 PM
I go on record for defending his mom..

She herself has not murdered anyone and every PROFESSIONAL doctor recommends those drugs and various others for ADHD.
It is NOT a crime to give those drugs and every medical school in the nation teaches them to give these drugs..

MOM has not murdered anybody..
 Mom has tried to FIX her son by following what she knows to be the right way..

The only thing mom is is stupid for not questioning the rules on these medications.
She would have gotten better results with a balanced life and diet in my humble opinion.

Who is guilty of teaching her and others to give these drugs is the AMA and the DRUG companies that push these drugs.. They teach them to give these drugs in college. It is part of her and others training.

Studies show.... Crap!!  I hate our medical system..!!

Anyways that is my rant on the AMA .. A drug association of criminals in my opinion.

You are so right. I won't even attempt to go on my rant and what I think about all the drugs that are pushed onto a person with mental issues.


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Post by: Samantha on March 12, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
I go on record for defending his mom..

She herself has not murdered anyone and every PROFESSIONAL doctor recommends those drugs and various others for ADHD.
It is NOT a crime to give those drugs and every medical school in the nation teaches them to give these drugs..

MOM has not murdered anybody..
 Mom has tried to FIX her son by following what she knows to be the right way..

The only thing mom is is stupid for not questioning the rules on these medications.
She would have gotten better results with a balanced life and diet in my humble opinion.

Who is guilty of teaching her and others to give these drugs is the AMA and the DRUG companies that push these drugs.. They teach them to give these drugs in college. It is part of her and others training.

Studies show.... Crap!!  I hate our medical system..!!

Anyways that is my rant on the AMA .. A drug association of criminals in my opinion.

You are so right. I won't even attempt to go on my rant and what I think about all the drugs that are pushed onto a person with mental issues.

I'll admit I don't read every article.... But if he was prescribed the drugs by doctors and she gave them to him under their advisement, then I wouldn't blame her for following their instructions.. It's not that she gave them to him without prescriptions or prescribed them herself, right?

About her job, if her company has some sort of morals clause about how you hold yourself while out of work, maybe they are able to act on that.

If she allowed her son to live with her and didn't have him change his address - then I would fault her for allowing him to stay there. If her house was near a place where he shouldn't be,like a school, and she allowed him to stay there (i can't remember if it is) - I would fault her for that too. If she saw what was going on around her, like girls going missing, and she knows his history - then I would fault her for not going to the police to alert them he's been staying in the area with her. If she had even an inkling (or should have and ignored it) - I would fault her for that too.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 12, 2010, 03:48:09 PM
has the kevin o'reilly board been deleted? the search engine is down or smething on scared monkeys.. anyway..looks like you all caught up on the news, things aren't going great for his mom, I don't think she deserves to be punished or to lose her job, her son had a mind of his own and he chose to do those things, I bet if his mom did catch him in the act she would have taken him down...I don't know so much about that but she could easily have done so, I am unemployed and I hope that LAW ENFORCEMENT will start putting up more jobs out there to keep an eye out on sex offenders or track them or whatever, i already applied for riverside sheriff's department and they turned me down for correctional officer so I am hoping something new will come up soon, I want to get in an academy and not necessarily be a police officer but I am a girl and I am afraid that because I am not outgoing and that I have never had a job they won't hire me. There's also more that can be done with missing people and I know I am going off on my rocker but couldn't they hire people to research and find those people, why does it always have to be FBI and the police and PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS! Don't you have to go to a college to get a bachelor's degree first?! People don't even have money to go to college, plus some jobs you have to be physically fit like run 4-6 miles at an 8 min pace. This angers me... because I know most of you in here know more about sex offenders than I do and would probably be better equipped at preventing these kind of crimes than a "professional"....Even my mom was turned down because she couldn't pass a simple written test that I lied throughout ebcause I never had a job. What is going on in this world?!

(Bolded by me)

Hi pi  ::HelloKitty::   Here is the link to the "Who is Kevin O'Reilly?" thread, which is over with Chelsea King's thread:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.720

The search function is still working, but the tech guy fixed it so if the board gets too busy, the search function is inoperable for a short time.  It automatically cuts off until the posting volume goes down.  So if you find it not working, try back again in bit. 


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 12, 2010, 04:52:34 PM
Hi pi  ::HelloKitty::   Here is the link to the "Who is Kevin O'Reilly?" thread, which is over with Chelsea King's thread:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.720

The search function is still working, but the tech guy fixed it so if the board gets too busy, the search function is inoperable for a short time.  It automatically cuts off until the posting volume goes down.  So if you find it not working, try back again in bit. 

thanks muffy, it's working now.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 12, 2010, 04:58:14 PM
I go on record for defending his mom..

She herself has not murdered anyone and every PROFESSIONAL doctor recommends those drugs and various others for ADHD.
It is NOT a crime to give those drugs and every medical school in the nation teaches them to give these drugs..

MOM has not murdered anybody..
 Mom has tried to FIX her son by following what she knows to be the right way..

The only thing mom is is stupid for not questioning the rules on these medications.
She would have gotten better results with a balanced life and diet in my humble opinion.

Who is guilty of teaching her and others to give these drugs is the AMA and the DRUG companies that push these drugs.. They teach them to give these drugs in college. It is part of her and others training.

Studies show.... Crap!!  I hate our medical system..!!

Anyways that is my rant on the AMA .. A drug association of criminals in my opinion.

You are so right. I won't even attempt to go on my rant and what I think about all the drugs that are pushed onto a person with mental issues.

I'll admit I don't read every article.... But if he was prescribed the drugs by doctors and she gave them to him under their advisement, then I wouldn't blame her for following their instructions.. It's not that she gave them to him without prescriptions or prescribed them herself, right?

About her job, if her company has some sort of morals clause about how you hold yourself while out of work, maybe they are able to act on that.

If she allowed her son to live with her and didn't have him change his address - then I would fault her for allowing him to stay there. If her house was near a place where he shouldn't be,like a school, and she allowed him to stay there (i can't remember if it is) - I would fault her for that too. If she saw what was going on around her, like girls going missing, and she knows his history - then I would fault her for not going to the police to alert them he's been staying in the area with her. If she had even an inkling (or should have and ignored it) - I would fault her for that too.

I have worked on the mental health unit in my city for the last eight years and I have to sign a contract yearly...stating that I will present myself in a respectable manner on and off duty.  If I were to get arrested I would be terminated.  If I was harboring a sex offender, I would be terminated.  I have to watch what I post on any social networking sites (not that I have anything that I couldn't post).  My guess would be that there was some sort of contract signed...but, maybe not.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 12, 2010, 05:23:45 PM
Is This Gardner's Car?

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/410*307/IMG00251.jpg)

A car believed to have belonged to the man accused of murdering Chelsea King was towed from an Escondido wrecking yard on Thursday morning and taken to a city holding facility.

As of 1 p.m., Escondido police had not returned a phone call to confirm the car did, in fact, belong to Gardner or the circumstances surrounding the impounding of the vehicle. Earlier this week in San Diego Superior Court, Judge David Danielson issued a gag order in the case involving John Gardner, who, in addition to being a suspect in the King case is also a focus of the investigation in the death of Amber Dubois.
 
The owner of Cardinal Auto Wrecking, however, said detectives asked him not to comment on the vehicle, an indication that there is a possible connection to Gardner.
 
The owner would not say, however, who brought in the vehicle to the salvage yard or confirm when it was brought in. The yard is located exactly three blocks from Gardner's last known residence in Escondido on Rock Springs Road.
 
The car towed from the wrecking yard on Thursday morning is a gold 1999 Grand Prix. That information may be significant. In October, a man bearing a resemblance to Gardner in a composite sketch was being sought in Riverside County for attempting to force a girl into a car at gunpoint as she walked to school. The girl was able to run away. She described the suspect's car at the time as a "'90s era gold four-door sedan, unknown make." That description would seem to match the car that was towed from the wreckage lot on Thursday.
 
The car was at the tow yard since January, sources said. The owner of the wreckage yard would not confirm the date but did say the vehicle identification numbers were forwarded to the DMV and Department of Justice, as is required by law. He also said the car was brought in with "front end damage." When it was towed away Thursday, the car appeared to have other damage as well. However, that could have been because parts of the car had been used as salvage.

Gardner is being held without bail. His preliminary hearing has been scheduled for Aug. 4.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Is-This-Gardners-Car.html

i wonder if gardner purposely wanted his car impounded, he could have sold it... maybe something smelled bad about it..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on March 12, 2010, 05:26:52 PM
I go on record for defending his mom..

She herself has not murdered anyone and every PROFESSIONAL doctor recommends those drugs and various others for ADHD.
It is NOT a crime to give those drugs and every medical school in the nation teaches them to give these drugs..

MOM has not murdered anybody..
 Mom has tried to FIX her son by following what she knows to be the right way..

The only thing mom is is stupid for not questioning the rules on these medications.
She would have gotten better results with a balanced life and diet in my humble opinion.

Who is guilty of teaching her and others to give these drugs is the AMA and the DRUG companies that push these drugs.. They teach them to give these drugs in college. It is part of her and others training.

Studies show.... Crap!!  I hate our medical system..!!

Anyways that is my rant on the AMA .. A drug association of criminals in my opinion.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 12, 2010, 05:28:23 PM

I have worked on the mental health unit in my city for the last eight years and I have to sign a contract yearly...stating that I will present myself in a respectable manner on and off duty.  If I were to get arrested I would be terminated.  If I was harboring a sex offender, I would be terminated.  I have to watch what I post on any social networking sites (not that I have anything that I couldn't post).  My guess would be that there was some sort of contract signed...but, maybe not.

Police officers are mentioned in a lot of the hashing groups and I don't see how they could be doing stuff like that when they have a code of conduct and its also in their contract or so I believe to abstain from drinking in public etc on and off duty...I think it's up to personnel to check up on these things or "IA" Internal Affairs or Human Resources...


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Post by: labubske on March 12, 2010, 05:59:21 PM

I have worked on the mental health unit in my city for the last eight years and I have to sign a contract yearly...stating that I will present myself in a respectable manner on and off duty.  If I were to get arrested I would be terminated.  If I was harboring a sex offender, I would be terminated.  I have to watch what I post on any social networking sites (not that I have anything that I couldn't post).  My guess would be that there was some sort of contract signed...but, maybe not.

Police officers are mentioned in a lot of the hashing groups and I don't see how they could be doing stuff like that when they have a code of conduct and its also in their contract or so I believe to abstain from drinking in public etc on and off duty...I think it's up to personnel to check up on these things or "IA" Internal Affairs or Human Resources...
Yes, I think that you are right about that.  One way that I have seen it used is when the department wants someone gone...that is a definite way of making it happen.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 06:25:23 PM
Dubois family plans March 27 memorial for Amber

ESCONDIDO — The family of Amber Dubois is planning a public memorial for the Escondido teenager for March 27 in the Escondido High School stadium.


Amber, 14, disappeared while on her way to school on Feb. 13, 2009. Her remains were found Saturday in a rugged hillside area about three miles north of the Pala casino in North County.

Her father, Moe Dubois, said plans are still being made for the memorial. High school Principal Rich Watkins said Friday that the family reserved the stadium for 1 p.m.

“We’re just waiting to hear what they would like, and we’ll support them in any way we can,” Watkins said Friday.

Dubois said the family will hold a private burial for Amber on March 26 in Escondido.

The memorial will be the second this month for a slain North County teen.

On Saturday, a memorial for Chelsea King will be held at Poway High School. Several thousand people are expected to attend what is being planned as a celebration of the life of the high school senior who was killed while on a run at Rancho Bernardo Park last month.

Her body was found at the edge of Lake Hodges on March 2.

John Albert Gardner III, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and rape.

Escondido police have said Gardner is the focus of their investigation into Amber’s death.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/12/dubois-family-plans-march-27-memorial-amber/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 06:27:04 PM
Schwarzenegger orders review of sex offender case

SACRAMENTO, Calif.—Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has ordered a review of the way the state handled the case of a convicted sex offender who is now a suspect in two San Diego County murders.
He's telling the state's Sex Offender Management Board to seek policy changes that could better protect the public from sexual predators.

He says the state must learn from the case of John Albert Gardner III, a suspect in the killings of teenagers Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

The order Friday came a day after The Associated Press disclosed that the 30-year-old Gardner could have been sent back to prison in 2007 for parole violations.

http://**/news/ci_14665320

Had he been sent back to prison, he would have been evaluated for commitment to a state mental hospital as a sexually violent predator.




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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 06:38:48 PM
Thank-you Northern


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 12, 2010, 06:56:39 PM
Dubois family plans March 27 memorial for Amber

ESCONDIDO — The family of Amber Dubois is planning a public memorial for the Escondido teenager for March 27 in the Escondido High School stadium.


Amber, 14, disappeared while on her way to school on Feb. 13, 2009. Her remains were found Saturday in a rugged hillside area about three miles north of the Pala casino in North County.

Her father, Moe Dubois, said plans are still being made for the memorial. High school Principal Rich Watkins said Friday that the family reserved the stadium for 1 p.m.

“We’re just waiting to hear what they would like, and we’ll support them in any way we can,” Watkins said Friday.

Dubois said the family will hold a private burial for Amber on March 26 in Escondido.

The memorial will be the second this month for a slain North County teen.

On Saturday, a memorial for Chelsea King will be held at Poway High School. Several thousand people are expected to attend what is being planned as a celebration of the life of the high school senior who was killed while on a run at Rancho Bernardo Park last month.

Her body was found at the edge of Lake Hodges on March 2.

John Albert Gardner III, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and rape.

Escondido police have said Gardner is the focus of their investigation into Amber’s death.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/12/dubois-family-plans-march-27-memorial-amber/

At 1:00pm - thank you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 12, 2010, 07:28:05 PM
I go on record for defending his mom..

She herself has not murdered anyone and every PROFESSIONAL doctor recommends those drugs and various others for ADHD.
It is NOT a crime to give those drugs and every medical school in the nation teaches them to give these drugs..

MOM has not murdered anybody..
 Mom has tried to FIX her son by following what she knows to be the right way..

The only thing mom is is stupid for not questioning the rules on these medications.
She would have gotten better results with a balanced life and diet in my humble opinion.

Who is guilty of teaching her and others to give these drugs is the AMA and the DRUG companies that push these drugs.. They teach them to give these drugs in college. It is part of her and others training.

Studies show.... Crap!!  I hate our medical system..!!

Anyways that is my rant on the AMA .. A drug association of criminals in my opinion.


She seems to be a mother who is still in denial. If I had a son who committed a rape and murder, I would be at that jail cell trying to find out why my son committed such horrible crime and make sure he hadn't done other crimes.

I can see the point of not wanting her back in a position of authority in the same field that diagnosis mental illness. If she can not recognize it at home how can good is she at her job, and do I want someone like that in a position of power.  That would be like going to a shrink who's patient commit suicide. She no longer has the credibility to do her job well. If she wants to stay on staff she should choose another field.

I grew up in the 60's and they didn't give children drugs. Families sat down every night at a dinner table and discussed the issues at hand. If we were over active it was worked out of us. We did yard work, house cleaning, ironing, cleaned the garage we worked till dark and then you went to bed. If that wasn't enough you were taught the value of a dollar and got a paper route, mowed lawns etc. We did not have time to have ADHD.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 07:37:59 PM
Dubois family plans March 27 memorial for Amber

ESCONDIDO — The family of Amber Dubois is planning a public memorial for the Escondido teenager for March 27 in the Escondido High School stadium.


Amber, 14, disappeared while on her way to school on Feb. 13, 2009. Her remains were found Saturday in a rugged hillside area about three miles north of the Pala casino in North County.

Her father, Moe Dubois, said plans are still being made for the memorial. High school Principal Rich Watkins said Friday that the family reserved the stadium for 1 p.m.

“We’re just waiting to hear what they would like, and we’ll support them in any way we can,” Watkins said Friday.

Dubois said the family will hold a private burial for Amber on March 26 in Escondido.

The memorial will be the second this month for a slain North County teen.

On Saturday, a memorial for Chelsea King will be held at Poway High School. Several thousand people are expected to attend what is being planned as a celebration of the life of the high school senior who was killed while on a run at Rancho Bernardo Park last month.

Her body was found at the edge of Lake Hodges on March 2.

John Albert Gardner III, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and rape.

Escondido police have said Gardner is the focus of their investigation into Amber’s death.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/12/dubois-family-plans-march-27-memorial-amber/

At 1:00pm - thank you.

Thank you Ampersand   ::MonkeyAngel::  Could you please let us know again where we can send our cards of condolences to your family. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 12, 2010, 09:10:57 PM
I know this is too soon but can't they put a bench in the Rancho Bernardo park that says "In Memory of Amber Du Bois and Chelsea King" rather than name the park after Chelsea King, I just think that would be a little to painful to name a park after someone who died there? anyway at the park I go to there is a bench at the rear entrance that says "In Memory of All the Children"...I don't know what that is about..but it is in Temecula.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 12, 2010, 09:27:22 PM
maybe naming the park after chelsea will help friends and family set aside some of their grief, hopefully it will.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on March 12, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
Dubois family plans March 27 memorial for Amber

ESCONDIDO — The family of Amber Dubois is planning a public memorial for the Escondido teenager for March 27 in the Escondido High School stadium.


Amber, 14, disappeared while on her way to school on Feb. 13, 2009. Her remains were found Saturday in a rugged hillside area about three miles north of the Pala casino in North County.

Her father, Moe Dubois, said plans are still being made for the memorial. High school Principal Rich Watkins said Friday that the family reserved the stadium for 1 p.m.

“We’re just waiting to hear what they would like, and we’ll support them in any way we can,” Watkins said Friday.

Dubois said the family will hold a private burial for Amber on March 26 in Escondido.

The memorial will be the second this month for a slain North County teen.

On Saturday, a memorial for Chelsea King will be held at Poway High School. Several thousand people are expected to attend what is being planned as a celebration of the life of the high school senior who was killed while on a run at Rancho Bernardo Park last month.

Her body was found at the edge of Lake Hodges on March 2.

John Albert Gardner III, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and rape.

Escondido police have said Gardner is the focus of their investigation into Amber’s death.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/12/dubois-family-plans-march-27-memorial-amber/

At 1:00pm - thank you.

Thank you Ampersand   ::MonkeyAngel::  Could you please let us know again where we can send our cards of condolences to your family. 

Condolence messages can be sent to:  Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust, PO Box 1557, Paramount, CA  90723-1557

AmberLeeanneDubois.com has the information regarding the public memorial and PO Box as well, thank you all so much - I wish you all could have known my extraordinary niece...our world will never be the same without her...but she will be furious if we curl up and do nothing...there must be change...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 10:04:12 PM
Thank-you  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 12, 2010, 10:34:37 PM
Amber's Parents Ask for Help for Other Missing Children    Contributor: Elex Michaelson
Email: elex.michaelson@sandiego6.com
Contributor: Lynn Stuart
Last Update: 3/09 9:30 pm

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SAN DIEGO - The parents of 14-year-old Amber Dubois are not answering questions about whether they believe the suspect in the Chelsea King case was responsible for their daughter's disappearance. But after John Gardner's court appearance on Tuesday, Amber's father made a plea.

"There are many children," Maurice Dubois told the media.  "You have the power to bring these children home."

Amber's father asked the media to help find other missing children, like Michael Guidry, who disappeared around Thanksgiving.
According to published reports, investigators suspect the 16-year-old was a runaway.



Mickey Guidry (aka Mike or Mikey)
Candlelight Memorial
 
ESCONDIDO--More than 1,000 mourners came together to honor Amber Dubois, the 14-year-old girl whose remains were found over the weekend near Pala, a remote area north of San Diego. 

Amber's parents, Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, both addressed the somber crowd at Escondido High School. Instead of sharing many memories of their daughter, who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009, they focused on the future.

"Please take a minute for every tear you've ever shed for Amber, for Chelsea [King], and for any child who has suffered at the hands of these predators. Take just as many minutes of action in fighting to protect our children" said Amber's father.

Maurice Dubois evoked his daughter's favorite animal, the wolf. He said wolves hunt together to catch their prey and that parents must band together to protect their children. McGonigle said she worries every time she sees a child walking alone.

"Amber's with God and she's not scared anymore and she's not cold" said long-time family friend Edna Halbrook.

"All these people have something in common, they all love her" said Amber's cousin and best friend, Kelly Elsbend. "I think it is absolutely beautiful, if she was here, she would have been amazed!"

Amber's friend Amanda Spaziano said it is hard to get closure. "I don't think there is ever going to be closure. There's always going to be a place at the lunch table where she's not going to be. And she's not going to be there for all the things we experience. That's what I regret the most. She deserved it more than anyone did."

Spaziano wishes the community would have turned out in as large as number for Amber's initial search, as they did for missing Poway High School senior Chelsea King. "[Amber] wasn't as popular [as Chelsea] I suppose. I'm not sure. I don't judge anyone differently on money or looks. It is a huiman life and she should have been taken care of."

Amber's parents wouldn't say whether they suspect Chelsea's alleged killer took their daughter's life. Amber's cousin Kelly believes he did. "I hate him. I'm not a person to hate, but I hate him so much!"

Not sure if this has been posted...I think that it is pretty amazing that in a time that is so difficult for this family they are able to think of the other missing children.  There is more that you can read at http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-Escondido-Chelsea-King-Gardner/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 12, 2010, 11:43:39 PM
Re: Chelsea King: another girl disappears along I-15 corridor
Quote:Originally Posted by KDeuce 
Witnesses saw Amber walking with a young man with dark hair and dark complexion.

About a month before Amber was taken, a 12-year old Poway teenager was kidnapped by three Hispanic in a white van. They freed her after a short time. On January 3, 2009 there was a kidnapping attempt in Redondo Beach that was similar. One of the three men asked her for directions while another grabbed her and tried to pull her into the van.

I'm also thinking this was a kid who went to the school or a friend of someone who did and it may be a red herring. There is also the matter of the truck on the videotape roaming the school parking lot that morning that was never identified...that may or may not be relevant and did Gardner have access to such a truck? He had access to a gold Pontiac Sedan...the vehicle used in the attempted kidnap by gun in Lake Elsinore.

Gardner may have nothing to do with Amber...though I think he is responsible for his own horrendous crime spree. Or he may have everything to do with Amber. The next few weeks will probably tell if anymore charges come down. I am expecting the LE charge and the accosting of the woman in the same running park Chelsea was killed at.

One Escondido police officer did make a little mysterious statement on the news the other night so I won't be surprised if Gardner is related to Amber's death. He certainly had proximity, she is his preferred-type victim, and she was found in a rural area like Chelsea. If he is not responsible for Amber the Escondido PD better get help (FBI) in finding out who is because we do not need a killer of teenage girls out there.
This was found at http://forum.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?p=3966746
The sketches are there as well...This is what I have been trying to say...but no one seems to be seeing it!  I have posted several times about these attempted abductions...they seem to be the same person/s...remember what we say AFTER a child is abducted...I wish we would have listened to the signs...and so on...well, HERE ARE SIGNS! 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 08:22:22 AM
http://mt1.google.com/vt/lyrs=m@119&hl=en&x=715&y=1650&z=12&s=Gal

Child Stalking & Abduction Incidents
Click on links below to view recent reports of children approached by strangers in Poway and along the Highway 56 corridor.
1,278 views - Public
Created on Mar 23, 2009 - Updated Mar 25, 2009
By KFMB News 8
Rate this map - Write a comment   Torrey Meadows Dr., San Diego
Wed, March 18, 2009 - 3:00 pm 12-year-old girl White Ford box utility van Suspects: Three Hispanic males mid 20s inside van. Girl walking home after being dropped off by a school bus reported a white ...
   Torrey Meadows Dr. & Torrey Santa Fe Rd., San Diego
Thurs, March 12, 2009 - 2:30pm 7-year-old girl White Ford box utility van Suspects: Hispanic male driver, mid-20s and two Hispanic passengers. Mother reports seeing a white van stalking her daughter, ...
   14000 Via Fiesta, San Diego
Tues, Feb 3, 2009 - 4:00 pm 11-year-old girl Vehicle: Blue convertible Suspects: Hispanic male mid 20s. Attempted kidnapping of an 11-year-old girl that occurred in Black Mountain Ranch. The victim wa...
   9th Street, Poway
Mon, Feb. 2, 2009 - 3:15pm 11-year-old girl Vehile: motorhome. Suspects: 2 Hispanic males. Girl was approached on 9th Street near Pomerado Elementary School. The girl ran away. Suspects are two Hispan...
   Scots Way & Midland Rd., Poway
Thurs, Jan 29, 2009 - 5:30pm 12-year-old girl Vehicle: White box-type utility van Suspects: 3 Hispanic males, 20 to 30 years of age. A 12-year-old female juvenile was walking home in the area of Scots...
   Poway Rd. & Pomerado Rd., Poway
Tues, Jan 27, 2009 - 3:15pm 2 hispanic boys
I tried to copy the map too but could not.  This is from 2009,  so the recent attempted abductions should be placed on this list and map as well.  There seems to be a relation.  Just posting it for your awareness, those of you in the San Diego area.
Found at: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107792725227373756468.000465d184cb91081a7fd&ll=32.965179,-117.108765&spn=0.143448,0.219727&z=12


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 08:27:31 AM
the first link (map) of my last post does not show the full map... bottom link does and it has all of the information on it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 09:06:18 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1093120#new

Gardner not kept on short leash, documents show
Parole records indicate several infractions


By Mike Gardner,

Jeff McDonald, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

When John Albert Gardner III walked out of a Central Valley prison a free man in September 2005, state prison officials classified the convicted sex offender as a “high control” parolee.

That meant agents should conduct two face-to-face checks on Gardner every month, including one unannounced visit to his home. It also meant surprise drug testing, mandatory counseling and a vigilance on the part of parole agents reserved for the worst offenders.

The 43 pages of parole records released by prison officials Thursday do not show whether those practices were followed in Gardner’s 2000 case, in which he pleaded guilty to molesting a 13-year-old Rancho Bernardo neighbor.

But they do show that agents and their supervisors passed up opportunity after opportunity to return Gardner to prison — an action that might have safeguarded the lives of two North County teenagers. He is charged in the killing of one and is a focus of the investigation of the other.

“This guy should never had been released from parole,” said Caroline Aguirre, a retired parole agent of 24 years who has been following the Gardner case. “This business of sex offenders not being properly supervised has been going on for years.”

Gardner was charged last week with rape and murder in the death of Chelsea King, a 17-year-old Poway girl who went to go running around Lake Hodges on Feb. 25 and never returned. He is also under investigation in the February 2009 disappearance of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old from Escondido whose remains were found near Pala on March 6.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday ordered a probe into the handling of Gardner’s previous case, from prosecution through parole.

A prominent victims’ rights advocate defended parole agents, saying they are pressured to look the other way because of budget constraints and overcrowding in the prison system.

“That’s not where the heat should be going,” said Harriet Salarno, president of Crime Victims United. “The heat should be going upstairs to the administration. ... If this guy had seven violations, the parole agents would want to return him.”

Todd Spitzer, a former Republican assemblyman who chaired a prison oversight committee, said it has been well-documented that supervisors were discharging offenders from parole over the objections of agents in the field. The reason? Prisons are packed, Spitzer said.

“They cared more about overcrowding than public safety,” said Spitzer, now an assistant district attorney in Orange County.

In the Gardner case, “there is a very strong probability” that field agents were overruled, but “we don’t know for sure yet,” Spitzer said. That information may be stored in Gardner’s “central file,” which prison officials have refused to release.

State Auditor Elaine Howle, in an investigation, discovered that from Jan. 1, 2007, to March 31, 2008, 20 percent of the 156 cases reviewed indicated that “district administrators discharged parolees against both the parole agents’ and unit supervisors’ recommendations to retain them and often did not provide written justification for discharging parolees, contrary to staff recommendations.”

Prison officials did not respond to questions yesterday. But in an interview Thursday, Assistant Corrections Secretary Oscar Hidalgo said his agents followed well-established procedures in monitoring Gardner.

“As a law enforcement agency, we have to apply a consistent level of revocations or corrections as a whole,” he said.

Gardner was convicted in 2000 of two counts of committing lewd and lascivious acts on a 13-year-old girl and a charge of false imprisonment. He served just over five years of a six-year sentence before he was placed on parole for three years on Sept. 26, 2005.

Records show that Gardner violated conditions of his parole at least seven times, any one of which could have resulted in his return to prison. The most serious violation occurred in September 2007, when he lived in an apartment near Miramar College and its day-care center. It also was close to Scripps Ranch High School and Hourglass Field Community Park.

That was the only incident resulting in a referral to the Board of Parole Hearings, which allowed Gardner to continue on parole after a hearing in September 2007. The records for that hearing state, “There have been no parole violations, positive anti-narcotic tests or law enforcement contact/arrests.”

But documents obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune show that Gardner was stopped for running a red light in Loma Linda on Dec. 12, 2006. He also was ticketed in San Diego on Jan. 11, 2007, though that citation was dismissed three months later after he completed traffic court.

If the convicted sex offender had been returned to prison, his parole would have become subject to at least some provisions of Jessica’s Law, passed by voters in 2006, including possible confinement at a mental hospital or lifetime GPS monitoring.

A handwritten note in Gardner’s parole records from August 2007 says, “Continued structure & supervision is warranted for community protection.”

Retired parole agent Graham McGruer said the circumstances — as well as the underlying crimes that landed Gardner in prison 10 years ago — should have prompted parole officials to do more.

“Those are red flags,” said McGruer, who lives in Chula Vista. “A parole agent needs to spend extra time looking at this individual because he’s popping up in the system. This guy would not have fallen through the cracks if parole (agents) had been checking up on what he was doing.”

Hidalgo declined to respond to those criticisms, but said multiple traffic infractions typically are not reason enough to send a parolee back to prison.

San Diego criminal defense attorney Donald Levine said supervising agents encounter parolees who behave much worse than did Gardner. “They’re definitely going to prioritize,” Levine said. “But when you have a person on parole for the heinous crime he committed, you’ve got to be hypervigilant.”

Gardner continued to cross paths with police and other law enforcement officers after completing parole.

He collected four citations in 15 months, according to records in various courts.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerCitations.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 13, 2010, 09:59:36 AM
No excuse at all, it makes me sick and I don't want to even hear the explanations for this  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
Touching blogs and photos from Monday's Vigil for Amber...

http://www.photoshelter.com/c/paulgallaher/gallery/Amber-Dubois/G0000rGyHXRAgDVI

http://andrewfoulk.blogspot.com/2010/03/sad-goodbye.html

Thank You SO MUCH.

Ditto, thank you. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 12:31:45 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1093120#new

Gardner not kept on short leash, documents show
Parole records indicate several infractions


By Mike Gardner,

Jeff McDonald, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

When John Albert Gardner III walked out of a Central Valley prison a free man in September 2005, state prison officials classified the convicted sex offender as a “high control” parolee.

That meant agents should conduct two face-to-face checks on Gardner every month, including one unannounced visit to his home. It also meant surprise drug testing, mandatory counseling and a vigilance on the part of parole agents reserved for the worst offenders.

The 43 pages of parole records released by prison officials Thursday do not show whether those practices were followed in Gardner’s 2000 case, in which he pleaded guilty to molesting a 13-year-old Rancho Bernardo neighbor.

But they do show that agents and their supervisors passed up opportunity after opportunity to return Gardner to prison — an action that might have safeguarded the lives of two North County teenagers. He is charged in the killing of one and is a focus of the investigation of the other.

“This guy should never had been released from parole,” said Caroline Aguirre, a retired parole agent of 24 years who has been following the Gardner case. “This business of sex offenders not being properly supervised has been going on for years.”

Gardner was charged last week with rape and murder in the death of Chelsea King, a 17-year-old Poway girl who went to go running around Lake Hodges on Feb. 25 and never returned. He is also under investigation in the February 2009 disappearance of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old from Escondido whose remains were found near Pala on March 6.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday ordered a probe into the handling of Gardner’s previous case, from prosecution through parole.

A prominent victims’ rights advocate defended parole agents, saying they are pressured to look the other way because of budget constraints and overcrowding in the prison system.

“That’s not where the heat should be going,” said Harriet Salarno, president of Crime Victims United. “The heat should be going upstairs to the administration. ... If this guy had seven violations, the parole agents would want to return him.”

Todd Spitzer, a former Republican assemblyman who chaired a prison oversight committee, said it has been well-documented that supervisors were discharging offenders from parole over the objections of agents in the field. The reason? Prisons are packed, Spitzer said.

“They cared more about overcrowding than public safety,” said Spitzer, now an assistant district attorney in Orange County.

In the Gardner case, “there is a very strong probability” that field agents were overruled, but “we don’t know for sure yet,” Spitzer said. That information may be stored in Gardner’s “central file,” which prison officials have refused to release.

State Auditor Elaine Howle, in an investigation, discovered that from Jan. 1, 2007, to March 31, 2008, 20 percent of the 156 cases reviewed indicated that “district administrators discharged parolees against both the parole agents’ and unit supervisors’ recommendations to retain them and often did not provide written justification for discharging parolees, contrary to staff recommendations.”

Prison officials did not respond to questions yesterday. But in an interview Thursday, Assistant Corrections Secretary Oscar Hidalgo said his agents followed well-established procedures in monitoring Gardner.

“As a law enforcement agency, we have to apply a consistent level of revocations or corrections as a whole,” he said.

Gardner was convicted in 2000 of two counts of committing lewd and lascivious acts on a 13-year-old girl and a charge of false imprisonment. He served just over five years of a six-year sentence before he was placed on parole for three years on Sept. 26, 2005.

Records show that Gardner violated conditions of his parole at least seven times, any one of which could have resulted in his return to prison. The most serious violation occurred in September 2007, when he lived in an apartment near Miramar College and its day-care center. It also was close to Scripps Ranch High School and Hourglass Field Community Park.

That was the only incident resulting in a referral to the Board of Parole Hearings, which allowed Gardner to continue on parole after a hearing in September 2007. The records for that hearing state, “There have been no parole violations, positive anti-narcotic tests or law enforcement contact/arrests.”

But documents obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune show that Gardner was stopped for running a red light in Loma Linda on Dec. 12, 2006. He also was ticketed in San Diego on Jan. 11, 2007, though that citation was dismissed three months later after he completed traffic court.

If the convicted sex offender had been returned to prison, his parole would have become subject to at least some provisions of Jessica’s Law, passed by voters in 2006, including possible confinement at a mental hospital or lifetime GPS monitoring.

A handwritten note in Gardner’s parole records from August 2007 says, “Continued structure & supervision is warranted for community protection.”

Retired parole agent Graham McGruer said the circumstances — as well as the underlying crimes that landed Gardner in prison 10 years ago — should have prompted parole officials to do more.

“Those are red flags,” said McGruer, who lives in Chula Vista. “A parole agent needs to spend extra time looking at this individual because he’s popping up in the system. This guy would not have fallen through the cracks if parole (agents) had been checking up on what he was doing.”

Hidalgo declined to respond to those criticisms, but said multiple traffic infractions typically are not reason enough to send a parolee back to prison.

San Diego criminal defense attorney Donald Levine said supervising agents encounter parolees who behave much worse than did Gardner. “They’re definitely going to prioritize,” Levine said. “But when you have a person on parole for the heinous crime he committed, you’ve got to be hypervigilant.”

Gardner continued to cross paths with police and other law enforcement officers after completing parole.

He collected four citations in 15 months, according to records in various courts.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerCitations.jpg)

I guess a RSO in the same town as a girl who went missing a little over two weeks prior, with no CDL, front plate, and an open container wasn’t enough for LE to take a closer look?  Did they do a field sobriety test? Open container, obviously being consumed.  Clearly this behavior says… “Yea, I’m a SO, so what! I’ll do what I want, where I want and when I want” I wonder where he was stopped, near any schools? Parks? Hmm so freaking annoying.  He should have been walking a tight rope… clearly no regard for law period.  Perhaps if LE had started questioning him, looking, detaining, etc., I don’t know, maybe they could have learned a little something? ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 12:48:22 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12131701

Ex-friend: Gardner sexually abused and suicidal over breakup
Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:03 PM PST Updated: Mar 13, 2010 8:18 AM PST
Click image to enlarge

(CBS 8) - A former close friend of accused killer John Gardner has come forward with shocking revelations about his past.

Jennifer Brandt and Gardner weren't close in high school, but became friends shortly after they graduated from the Class of 1997 at Rim of the World high school near Lake Arrowhead, California.

"He was a fun and crazy guy," Brandt said.

That was the John Gardner who Jennifer Brandt thought she knew, until his 2000 conviction for molesting and assaulting a 13-year-old girl.

"Pretty much all of his friends were hurt and betrayed by him after that.  We stopped all contact with him," Brandt said.

She hasn't spoken to Gardner since then. In fact, she says she hasn't even thought of his name in years, until he made national headlines.

"It was shocking. This was a guy I hung out with, I stayed the night on his couch," she said.

She told News 8 on the phone from Indianapolis that John once admitted to her a dark secret.

"He had on one occasion spoken to me about how a male family member had sexually abused him when he was young. He was almost in tears talking about it. I don't even remember how the subject was brought up but it was obviously something he needed to talk about, and I was there to listen," she said.

Gardner is accused of raping and murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King, and a suspect in the murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois as well.

"It's very painful right now.  We had several very deep conversations," Brandt said of her former friendship with Gardner.

She says Gardner admitted he had major mood swings and claimed his mother once committed him to a mental hospital.

On one occasion, she and her friends watched from a car while Gardner streaked a convenience store, Brandt told News 8.

"He got completely naked and put a bag on his head and ran in the store.  And the thing that was funny was, there was nobody in the store.  The clerk was in the back," she recalled.

Gardner also threatened suicide a couple years after high school when his then girlfriend Jennifer Tripp dumped him, said Brandt.  Tripp is a couple years younger than Gardner and was still in school at the time of the breakup, according to Brandt.

"He missed her and he would cry about it and there was nothing left to live for without her," Brandt recalled Gardner telling her.

Brandt also believes Tripp – the girlfriend who broke Gardner's heart -- resembles both Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

"From the photos that I see… the blue eyes, the straight hair… they all look like the girl he dated in high school and broke his heart," Brandt said.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/TrippAmberChelsea.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 01:23:26 PM


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/TrippAmberChelsea.jpg)

There are some scary resemblances between the victims/girlfriends of john gardner. I can't help but believe that there is something more than pathological in his mind that occurs when he preys...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 13, 2010, 01:33:44 PM
LE needs to assign a task force to concentrate on girls/young women who have gone missing throughout the area of that map and get busy weeding through possiblities of a connection to this pig. If he did kill Amber, I doubt she was his 'first kill'. If he didn't kill Amber, then no way was Chelsea his 'first kill'. He has been a predator in the area for too long to just now start killing. I know 'someone' had to be his first, but I think it was many years ago.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 01:49:15 PM

She seems to be a mother who is still in denial. If I had a son who committed a rape and murder, I would be at that jail cell trying to find out why my son committed such horrible crime and make sure he hadn't done other crimes.

I can see the point of not wanting her back in a position of authority in the same field that diagnosis mental illness. If she can not recognize it at home how can good is she at her job, and do I want someone like that in a position of power.  That would be like going to a shrink who's patient commit suicide. She no longer has the credibility to do her job well. If she wants to stay on staff she should choose another field.

I grew up in the 60's and they didn't give children drugs. Families sat down every night at a dinner table and discussed the issues at hand. If we were over active it was worked out of us. We did yard work, house cleaning, ironing, cleaned the garage we worked till dark and then you went to bed. If that wasn't enough you were taught the value of a dollar and got a paper route, mowed lawns etc. We did not have time to have ADHD.

ADHD is supposed to cause a person to not be able to focus on an activity and finish that activity. I don't think it means you have a lot of energy, it means you act on impulse and you don't think about your actions prior to doing them...Maybe you are right, if Gardner worked himself to the bone he would have acquired character and a new way of thinking... I know but not very well a wealthy family who's son has "ADD" OR ADHD" supposedly, and they are saying it is the reason why he got arrested and did a lot of dumb things... he has a son but he is not married to the mother, the mother allegedly is not alive perhaps killed herself....and the "g" mom, is raising him....the father of this son has been in and out of jail/prison so many times.. he is not an S.O., but he probably got his bad side from his father... but there are some people out there who commit crimes and it's almost like instinct. I mean I can do something stupid and it's my nature but for another person to rob somebody else it's a habit probably learned from a family member....Of course john's mom knew about this and did not do her best to help her son..


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 02:01:47 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12131701

Ex-friend: Gardner sexually abused and suicidal over breakup
Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:03 PM PST Updated: Mar 13, 2010 8:18 AM PST
Click image to enlarge

(CBS 8) - A former close friend of accused killer John Gardner has come forward with shocking revelations about his past.

Jennifer Brandt and Gardner weren't close in high school, but became friends shortly after they graduated from the Class of 1997 at Rim of the World high school near Lake Arrowhead, California.

"He was a fun and crazy guy," Brandt said.

That was the John Gardner who Jennifer Brandt thought she knew, until his 2000 conviction for molesting and assaulting a 13-year-old girl.

"Pretty much all of his friends were hurt and betrayed by him after that.  We stopped all contact with him," Brandt said.

She hasn't spoken to Gardner since then. In fact, she says she hasn't even thought of his name in years, until he made national headlines.

"It was shocking. This was a guy I hung out with, I stayed the night on his couch," she said.

She told News 8 on the phone from Indianapolis that John once admitted to her a dark secret.

"He had on one occasion spoken to me about how a male family member had sexually abused him when he was young. He was almost in tears talking about it. I don't even remember how the subject was brought up but it was obviously something he needed to talk about, and I was there to listen," she said.

Gardner is accused of raping and murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King, and a suspect in the murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois as well.

"It's very painful right now.  We had several very deep conversations," Brandt said of her former friendship with Gardner.

She says Gardner admitted he had major mood swings and claimed his mother once committed him to a mental hospital.

On one occasion, she and her friends watched from a car while Gardner streaked a convenience store, Brandt told News 8.

"He got completely naked and put a bag on his head and ran in the store.  And the thing that was funny was, there was nobody in the store.  The clerk was in the back," she recalled.

Gardner also threatened suicide a couple years after high school when his then girlfriend Jennifer Tripp dumped him, said Brandt.  Tripp is a couple years younger than Gardner and was still in school at the time of the breakup, according to Brandt.

"He missed her and he would cry about it and there was nothing left to live for without her," Brandt recalled Gardner telling her.

Brandt also believes Tripp – the girlfriend who broke Gardner's heart -- resembles both Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

"From the photos that I see… the blue eyes, the straight hair… they all look like the girl he dated in high school and broke his heart," Brandt said.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/TrippAmberChelsea.jpg)

I think Jennifer looks similar to Amber and the other ex, the one with the twins looks similar to Chelsea. That is interesting.

Side note to PI, HD in ADHD stands for hyper activity.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 02:03:58 PM
I know armchair what you meant, that gardner was not focusing his energy on the right things, had someone told him or gave him further direction to other possibilities since he wanted to be a math teacher or law enforcement professional (that's if he had really meant that and he was hopeful) and maybe engrained that in his head, maybe 2 girls would be alive right now. To me if gardner had a job as a electrician and he was making good money, I don't see how or why he would offend again, and his mom was no good influence, however, maybe gardner liked what his mom was doing... but hated his mom for it because he was not allowed or banned from participating in the "activities"...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 02:05:29 PM
I guess I was talking about ADD not ADHD. Is that two different things?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 02:10:14 PM
I have been wondering now if any cops were involved in the hashing group Cathy was in and if they had known her son was a sex offender. Cops are very keen on identifying these people at least I know some are..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 02:23:58 PM
Scripps made a statement on their website.

http://www.scripps.org/about-us__news-center__a-brief-statement-from-scripps


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 02:24:38 PM
I hate to sound overrated but a lot of people like me have a fear of being turned down (fear of rejection), disliked, hated, perhaps Gardner's biggest weaknesss was those fears and to make things even he fought those fears he had and instead of letting them come by naturally and to let them pass on their way, he took them down because he didn't have patience with it...I looked up ADD and ADHD and I found out they are two different things...thanks Tracy..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 02:25:15 PM
I guess I was talking about ADD not ADHD. Is that two different things?

Yes, different.

Attention Deficit Disorder (minus the hyperactivity)
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 02:26:40 PM
I guess I was talking about ADD not ADHD. Is that two different things?

ADD is only 1/2 of adhd. you can have AD or HD or ADHD, it depends on your symptoms.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 03:40:50 PM
I looked for sex offenders in violation in Temecula and there is this man by the name of CORNELIO LUCERO (02-09-1973) he has been in violation of his registration since Feb 20,2010 and has a long criminal record... http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18605149J7944

I ran cornelio lucero's name through the riverside county court records search page.  http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 04:18:49 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 04:27:47 PM
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/pds10-0220.htm  I wonder if this is Cornelio Lucero on the right..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 13, 2010, 04:32:18 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.

I hope you find out who this person is soon


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 04:43:46 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.

Oh my Klaas that is horrible.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 13, 2010, 06:03:11 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.

I'm sorry to see this, Klaasend and you did the right thing by turning the threat made over to the police. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: can on March 13, 2010, 07:04:16 PM
omg Klaas.  That's horrible.  Hope the police take notice!





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 07:18:17 PM
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/pds10-0220.htm  I wonder if this is Cornelio Lucero on the right..

Wow...with that record...why on earth is he on the streets...capable of disappearing.  I really didn't read it all yet. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
omg Klaas.  That's horrible.  Hope the police take notice!





So sorry to hear this.  That must be scary.  You have been civil and open minded to the opposing view points...and they still threaten you?  Not that it would be right to threaten you if you weren't open-minded.  I am sure that it is someone close to the family of JAG...or the family of JAG...be cautious he may have learned his ways by example.  I tried to be open-minded about it...since I really don't know everything that went on in the family...but this makes it seem that maybe what most are saying is accurate. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 07:57:38 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/13/co-workers-upset-with-cathy-osborn-the-mother-of-john-albert-gardner-iii-and-her-return-to-work-hashers-pics-sex-offender-son-oh-my/

Co-Workers Upset with Cathy Osborn, the Mother of John Albert Gardner III, and Her Return to Work (Hashers, Pics & Sex Offender Son, OH MY!!!)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 13, 2010, 10:26:01 PM
Take care Klaasend.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 10:31:42 PM
Take care Klaasend.

Thanks Kat_Gram  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 13, 2010, 10:51:59 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/13/co-workers-upset-with-cathy-osborn-the-mother-of-john-albert-gardner-iii-and-her-return-to-work-hashers-pics-sex-offender-son-oh-my/

Co-Workers Upset with Cathy Osborn, the Mother of John Albert Gardner III, and Her Return to Work (Hashers, Pics & Sex Offender Son, OH MY!!!)


Wow Klaas! Good for you! By the way, I am so glad that you sent the email to the police. Perhaps there will be another hash harrier behind bars soon! Do not let them intimidate you! You have done nothing wrong!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 13, 2010, 10:53:45 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/13/co-workers-upset-with-cathy-osborn-the-mother-of-john-albert-gardner-iii-and-her-return-to-work-hashers-pics-sex-offender-son-oh-my/

Co-Workers Upset with Cathy Osborn, the Mother of John Albert Gardner III, and Her Return to Work (Hashers, Pics & Sex Offender Son, OH MY!!!)


Wow Klaas! Good for you! By the way, I am so glad that you sent the email to the police. Perhaps there will be another hash harrier behind bars soon! Do not let them intimidate you! You have done nothing wrong!

I might add, you beat the reporters to the Hash Harriers tie-in!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 13, 2010, 10:56:26 PM
I hate to sound overrated but a lot of people like me have a fear of being turned down (fear of rejection), disliked, hated, perhaps Gardner's biggest weaknesss was those fears and to make things even he fought those fears he had and instead of letting them come by naturally and to let them pass on their way, he took them down because he didn't have patience with it...I looked up ADD and ADHD and I found out they are two different things...thanks Tracy..

You should not have any fears or insecurities Pi! You come across as a very caring and intelligent individual. You always dig up great things on the net too. I cannot believe that SO with a long list of offenses that you found!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 13, 2010, 11:08:57 PM

 ::MonkeyMad:: what has the world come to, somebody threatening Klaas.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on March 14, 2010, 12:05:17 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.

Don't know what your religious persuasion is Klaas, but calling down all angels to encircle and protect you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Green Eyes on March 14, 2010, 07:11:36 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.

Klaas I am glad you took immediate action and reported this person to the police. As nasty as their posts were, I think it's someone from the mothers group. If they don't like what is being said then stop reading here. I know to simple. Thank you for all you do and the rest of Monkeys and Mods. Prayers for you and your family. God Bless ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 14, 2010, 07:06:35 PM

You should not have any fears or insecurities Pi! You come across as a very caring and intelligent individual. You always dig up great things on the net too. I cannot believe that SO with a long list of offenses that you found!

Don't worry, but thanks Sebastian. I didn't mean to sound like I was whining lol, I happen to think everyone in here is very caring and intelligent as well even more so. I've been looking at other forums and they can't keep up with the material you all put up here everyday, I haven't read so much interesting posts in my life than I have on here. I didn't even know this place existed until people were beginning to go missing so much as I started realizing in the news. Had I known, I probably would have stopped calling the cops on my neighbors for every time they played their music so loud, this place is good to focus on other obvious annoyances...like my whiny dog..Thanks be to whoever it may be concerned for Scared Monkeys.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: NM on March 15, 2010, 04:04:50 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.

Don't know what your religious persuasion is Klaas, but calling down all angels to encircle and protect you.
And some Monkeys flying around you for protection too.

Get the plane ready! ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cookie on March 15, 2010, 06:21:21 PM
klaas...I am glad that you reported that poster to the police...It is good that you are a strong person and that you don't let people like that intimidate you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2010, 06:39:56 PM
klaas...I am glad that you reported that poster to the police...It is good that you are a strong person and that you don't let people like that intimidate you!

Thanks Cookie!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 15, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
Klaas do you know if the police followed up on your complaint?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2010, 07:32:24 PM
Klaas do you know if the police followed up on your complaint?

No but I know that 10News in San Diego did  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 15, 2010, 07:56:10 PM
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 10:18:21 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/16/experts-gardner-likely-to-pursue-venue-change/

Experts: Gardner likely to pursue venue change

By Dana Littlefield, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Tuesday, March 16, 2010 at 12:02 a.m.


The name John Albert Gardner III has been in the public’s consciousness only a few weeks and is unlikely to fade anytime soon.

As a result, some legal observers wonder whether Gardner can receive a fair trial in San Diego County, where he is accused of raping and killing 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway.

Gardner, 30, has pleaded not guilty to felony charges in what could become a death-penalty case.

So far, Gardner’s lawyers have not filed documents in Superior Court asking a judge to consider moving the trial to another county, where potential jurors might not have been exposed to extensive media coverage.

Some say it’s only a matter of time.

“I suspect they will,” said Shaun Martin, a professor at the University of San Diego School of Law, who noted the intense public interest in Gardner’s case.

Martin said the typical argument defense attorneys make in favor of a change of venue is that members of the public have made up their minds about the case. Therefore, their client cannot get a fair trial.

These assertions can be difficult to prove, Martin said.

“You can’t just say, ‘Look, there’ve been a lot of newspaper clippings,’ ” he said. “You have to prove that potential jurors have already come to an opinion about the defendant’s guilt and might not be able to leave that opinion behind once they become jurors.”

The common argument against moving a trial out of the area where the crime occurred is that in a county the size of San Diego — with a population of more than 3 million — it is possible to find 12 men and women who can be fair and impartial.

“It’s really hard to get a change of venue,” said Donald Levine, a defense attorney who is not involved in the Gardner case. “I’ve only seen it in one or two cases in 30 years.”

Gardner, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, was arrested Feb. 28, three days after Chelsea King disappeared while going for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Chelsea’s body was found March 2.

((snipped))


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2010, 11:41:42 AM
Send him up here to Monterey county.. I know lots of media people, we will make sure he is not forgotten.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2010, 12:29:24 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12147472

Accused killer collected string of citations in various vehicles
Posted: Mar 16, 2010 1:31 AM PDT Updated: Mar 16, 2010 2:00 AM PDT

SAN DIEGO, Cailf. (CBS 8) - The murder of Poway High School senior Chelsea King, allegedly at the hands of a known sexual predator, has sparked outrage in the community.

News 8 is continuing to investigate John Gardner's past run-ins with the law and the vehicles he was driving since his release from prison.

We are learning more about missed opportunities the case of accused killer John Gardner. A News 8 review of court records shows Gardner was cited for marijuana possession while still on parole.

A string of other citations did not seem to raise any red flags with law enforcement.

News 8 searched records in four different courthouses to compile eight citations filed against Gardner in a little over three years. Four of those citations were filed while Gardner was still on parole, including one for possession of marijuana.

News 8's review of the records shows a total of two citations for marijuana possession, one for driving with an open alcohol container, and several other traffic violations.

The records also show Gardner failed to appear in court, didn't pay court fines, and had his driver's license suspended for two months at the end of 2009.
(snipped)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerVehicles.jpg)

Any one of the vehicles pictured may be viewed driving by the High School on video or any other video survalliance around the high school.
Detectives should take a close look to see if they can put Gardner at the location..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 01:31:28 PM
Excellent idea Edward


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 16, 2010, 06:50:38 PM
Considering they first believed Amber to be a run away I hope they saved the tapes.


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 16, 2010, 07:03:01 PM
LKL is supposed to be covering John Gardner tonight.


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Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 07:53:06 PM
LKL is supposed to be covering John Gardner tonight.

Thanks for the heads up Northern!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/LKL.jpg)


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 16, 2010, 09:18:50 PM
Carrie is on LKL now.


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Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 09:23:34 PM
I feel so bad for Carrie and Moe, they aren't getting any information from police. 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 16, 2010, 09:24:44 PM
LE has shared nothing about the status of the investigation and told the family in time they will know.  They do not even know how the police knew to look for Amber where she was finally found. 


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 17, 2010, 12:45:36 AM
I watched the first 30min of the show. It sounds as though the police are being even more closed lipped then normal. Sorry but it makes me wonder if this is a case of CYA. I hope not. Let the family know some details, this is their daughter and they have the right to know.


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Post by: sebastian on March 17, 2010, 01:28:00 AM
You got me Tracygirl! CYA?


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Post by: sebastian on March 17, 2010, 01:28:30 AM
You got me Tracygirl! CYA?

Nevermind, I get it now!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: AmbersMom on March 17, 2010, 04:19:59 AM
Hey Monkey's

Ya this is total bullshit! The meeting with the DA was a joke! I really don't think Moe and I needed formal introductions with no answers.  I will tell you this I am not going to sit back and wait years for answers! Screw that!! I will have some answers soon!

Thanks for caring,looking, and loving Amber this past year! You guys are great


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Post by: melisb on March 17, 2010, 08:51:44 AM
Hey Monkey's

Ya this is total bullshit! The meeting with the DA was a joke! I really don't think Moe and I needed formal introductions with no answers.  I will tell you this I am not going to sit back and wait years for answers! Screw that!! I will have some answers soon!

Thanks for caring,looking, and loving Amber this past year! You guys are great

God Bless you and your family!  Now go get a HIGH PROFILE big mouthed attorney and get in front of the cameras.  See what happens then!  You need answers just for your own needs not us not the media.  It was your baby and you deserve to know.  Get em girl!


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 17, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
Hey Monkey's

Ya this is total bullshit! The meeting with the DA was a joke! I really don't think Moe and I needed formal introductions with no answers.  I will tell you this I am not going to sit back and wait years for answers! Screw that!! I will have some answers soon!

Thanks for caring,looking, and loving Amber this past year! You guys are great
   ::MonkeyAngel:: My heart goes out to you and Moe and to your entire family. You have all the right in the world for answers, and I pray you get your answers soon.


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Post by: Gypsy DD on March 17, 2010, 11:37:28 AM
Hey Monkey's

Ya this is total bullshit! The meeting with the DA was a joke! I really don't think Moe and I needed formal introductions with no answers.  I will tell you this I am not going to sit back and wait years for answers! Screw that!! I will have some answers soon!

Thanks for caring,looking, and loving Amber this past year! You guys are great

Good morning Ambersmom.  You and your family have been through so much already.  My heart goes out to each of you and Amber's friends.

I hope that LE begins to take you into their confidence as far as what they know and what they are looking for in Amber's case.  I had thought they would have done that by now.

I agree..get yourself a very high profile, media savy attorney and get the ball rolling with both LE and the DA.  You deserve to be kept in the loop.

Prayers and Hugs
DD


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 17, 2010, 12:04:48 PM
Hey Monkey's

Ya this is total bullshit! The meeting with the DA was a joke! I really don't think Moe and I needed formal introductions with no answers.  I will tell you this I am not going to sit back and wait years for answers! Screw that!! I will have some answers soon!

Thanks for caring,looking, and loving Amber this past year! You guys are great

Hi Carrie,
I have thought about you many times and have been sending continuing prayers your way.

As far as the police not saying anything. You are most certainly correct, this is bull! You know that and you know what you need to do. I have no doubt you will get answers. Anything you need, anything at all don't hesitate for a moment to let us know. You want a letter campaign, phone calls, faxes? We are here to help.


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Post by: klaasend on March 17, 2010, 12:10:51 PM
Hey Monkey's

Ya this is total bullshit! The meeting with the DA was a joke! I really don't think Moe and I needed formal introductions with no answers.  I will tell you this I am not going to sit back and wait years for answers! Screw that!! I will have some answers soon!

Thanks for caring,looking, and loving Amber this past year! You guys are great

God Bless you and your family!  Now go get a HIGH PROFILE big mouthed attorney and get in front of the cameras.  See what happens then!  You need answers just for your own needs not us not the media.  It was your baby and you deserve to know.  Get em girl!

I don't always like her but Gloria Allred might be just the attorney for the job!

Gloria's contact information.

http://www.gloriaallred.com/CM/Custom/Contact.asp


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 17, 2010, 03:55:15 PM
Hey Monkey's

Ya this is total bullshit! The meeting with the DA was a joke! I really don't think Moe and I needed formal introductions with no answers.  I will tell you this I am not going to sit back and wait years for answers! Screw that!! I will have some answers soon!

Thanks for caring,looking, and loving Amber this past year! You guys are great

God Bless you and your family!  Now go get a HIGH PROFILE big mouthed attorney and get in front of the cameras.  See what happens then!  You need answers just for your own needs not us not the media.  It was your baby and you deserve to know.  Get em girl!

I don't always like her but Gloria Allred might be just the attorney for the job!

Gloria's contact information.

http://www.gloriaallred.com/CM/Custom/Contact.asp

That was the first one that came to mind for me as well.  She is buds with JVM and will get her up into a slather as well I am sure.

Carrie I have thought and prayed for you and Amber's family for over a year and hope that you get the answers you deserve very soon.  We can wait till the trial but you, Moe and Grandmom have a right to have your questions answered now out of compassion and dignity for the family. 


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Post by: chi-monkey on March 17, 2010, 05:23:44 PM
Carrie was on LKL last night.  I was angry and crying for her and the whole family.
 The pain and anger were visible and clearly justified.   That Gloria Allred or M. Gerrigos could help with LE seems possible, but why is LE being so silent I wonder.   

CYA first comes to mind.  Fear of lawsuits.  FBI procedures (I've heard they are like this with many families).   Then I tried to think of what might be going on and had a thought or two.

Perhaps, until the tipster is safe and debriefed, they agreed to say nothing.  If I had turned in Gardner, I'd want to be hidden as far far away as possible.   Judging by what Klaas has experienced, this tipster/witness may be in danger from many strange people.

Perhaps LE must go to new sources and places to collect evidence and can't tip their hand lest it be destroyed or hidden. 

Finally, the suspect may not be G.  That seems unlikely, but still possible.   

If we can help the family by increasing pressure on LE or Media, we certainly can do it.  Whatever we can do, we will.  Just let us know.


 
 


 


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 17, 2010, 07:15:06 PM
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
March 16, 2010


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/16/lkl.01.html

+++++++

GUESTS

1.  CANDICE MONCAYO - ATTACKED BY JAG 12/09
2.  BRENT AND KELLY KING - CHELSEA'S PARENTS
3.  CARRIE MCGONIGLE - AMBER DUBOIS' MOTHER


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 17, 2010, 07:48:22 PM
Chi you make some good suggestions. It could be to protect the witness. If that is the case then LE needs to just say so. Just tell the family why they can't or wont tell them things, not just say, "you will know in time" as if they are the mighty powerful Oz. WTH is that?

OR another solution, I am sure if asked the parents will be happy to sign something that states they will keep the information private and off of the air waves. There are many avenues LE can go, this one just seems cruel to me.



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Post by: Edward on March 17, 2010, 08:14:49 PM
It is to protect the integrity of the investigation.
It is to make sure that the prosecution is not hindered.
It is to make sure that the best chance for conviction of the accused is achieved.


Amber and Chelsea were found and the parents have them and know where they are.
The rest is up to our justice system.



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Post by: klaasend on March 17, 2010, 09:38:57 PM
It is to protect the integrity of the investigation.
It is to make sure that the prosecution is not hindered.
It is to make sure that the best chance for conviction of the accused is achieved.


Amber and Chelsea were found and the parents have them and know where they are.
The rest is up to our justice system.



Good points Edward


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 18, 2010, 01:14:57 AM
Yes Edward those are good points, but the parents have a right to some of the smallest of questions answered such as when Amber died. I think Carrie and Moe just want the most basic of questions answered and I think they have a right to know. It is their daughter.



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Post by: Edward on March 18, 2010, 10:16:15 AM
Tracygirl, I am not a legal expert.
When I signed up, it was to help in finding lost and missing people. Once they are found .. Well, What do I know.?? not much.

I would like to know where exactly Escondido LE was searching when that cell phone pinged.. But maybe it was in Pala.
I would like to know who called in and let LE know Amber was in Pala... That person was informed.. How long did they know ?
"Disturbing to me "

In a previous post I highlighted what was possible and not possible in determining time of death, or even if death occurred at the location that Amber was found..
It is not an easy task when time passes.. and in this case a year had passed.

Lots of circumstantial evidence.. and making any of it public might jeopardize a conviction.

Letting the family know at this moment may not be a good idea.. First a person would have to be accused and brought before a judge and arraigned on charges.. That has not happened yet.

I am confident as time passes most if not all information will be told to the family of Amber.

All of that is just my thoughts and like I said I am not a lawyer..


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 18, 2010, 02:16:24 PM
Tracygirl, I am not a legal expert.
When I signed up, it was to help in finding lost and missing people. Once they are found .. Well, What do I know.?? not much.

I am confident as time passes most if not all information will be told to the family of Amber.

All of that is just my thoughts and like I said I am not a lawyer..

I have to agree with Edward We all came into this to help find a missing person. She has been found, sadly with a tragic ending and unanswered questions.

As hard as this is to say I think we have to focus on other missing people. I will always remember Amber in my heart. She was the first missing person that I have ever tried to search for. She will always be in my thoughts.

Because of Amber I went to bed every night wondering where she might have been taken.
Because of Amber I woke up every morning checking to see if she had been found.
Because of Amber I know what hope feels like. Carrie never stopped hoping.
Because of Amber I know what real heartache feels like. A family lost without a person to love, say good night too or share emotions with.
Because of Amber I care what happens to the missing.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 18, 2010, 03:06:25 PM
Armchair I appreciate your thoughts but I feel my job is not done. Until justice is served, here I will stay. If you feel your job is completed well that is up to you and I respect that.

Edward, I think I agree with the DA that Carrie had with her on Larry King, there are basic things that a family is entitled to know. If Carrie and Moe wish to have more details, then I support them and will help them anyway I can. 


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Post by: Lovinlife on March 18, 2010, 03:22:51 PM
This case was/is a tough one, that's for sure.  ArmChair summed up the dedication of the monkeys quite nicely, we all have had those feelings one way or another.  I can't help but think in hindsight how close we were to finding Amber.  The ping, the RSOs, etc.  And to me that is extreemly frustrating.  I can't imagine what Amber's family is going through.  I'm still greiving the loss of Amber.  I have had a difficult time.  Justice will prevail and Amber's family will get their answers.  Stay strong and supportive of each other's efforts.  We Love you AMBER DUBOIS and we will not give up until Justice is served.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 18, 2010, 07:12:37 PM
Amber’s parents told few details
Police say their ‘hands are tied’ by gag order

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/17/carrie_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

The parents of Amber Dubois have been told few details about the investigation into their daughter’s death.

They want to know how she died and when. They want to know how authorities were led to her remains in a remote part of North County near Pala, nearly 14 months after she disappeared while walking to school in Escondido.

But they’re getting few answers. It’s an ongoing investigation, authorities have told Carrie McGonigle and Moe Dubois.

McGonigle complained on CNN’s “Larry King Live” Tuesday night about the lack of information, but the next day she said things had changed.

“We talked to (Escondido police), and we’re satisfied with what they told us,” McGonigle said yesterday. “Moe and I were both given an update today, and we are content for now.”

Dubois added, “We did get a few answers to some of our questions — stuff we needed to know.”


Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said McGonigle and Dubois spoke with a department representative.

“We have talked to them,” Carter said. “We’re just trying to tell them to relax and let the system work, and we tried to explain that our hands are tied” by a gag order issued by a judge last week.

McGonigle and Dubois said they have been asked not to share what they were told, but they still don’t know what led investigators to the skeletal remains of their 14-year-old daughter.

Escondido police have said John Albert Gardner III is a focus of the investigation. Gardner was arrested three days after 17-year-old Chelsea King went missing near Lake Hodges and two days before her body was found at the edge of the lake.

Gardner was charged with murder and rape March 3. Amber’s remains were found March 6.

McGonigle appeared on CNN with Los Angeles lawyer Robin Sax, complaining about the lack of information.

Sax, a former prosecutor and now an author and television legal analyst, said the family would have expected by now to have a definitive answer on whether police believe Gardner was responsible for Amber’s death.

“They are claiming that, at this point, it’s part of the investigative process. And while I totally appreciate and want — and so does the family — a perfectly solid investigation to maximize prosecution, there are rights that the victims have in terms of status of the case,” Sax said.

Dubois said he and McGonigle first met Sax several months ago when they appeared on the Tyra Banks television show. Sax is an adviser to the family, Dubois said.

In most crimes, until an arrest has been made, police are hesitant to share information with victims or their families in order not to risk compromising the investigation. Even after an arrest, it can be awhile before victims and their families know the whole story.

In a 1993 case, two young boys in South County were abducted near the Otay River and raped and killed. The homicides went unsolved for eight years until a DNA hit linked them to a man named Scott Erskine.

His trial began in 2004, and it was only weeks before opening statements that the boys’ mothers were told the details of their sons’ horrific deaths. They had waited more than 10 years for the information.

Erskine is now on death row.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/18/ambers-parents-told-few-details/


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Post by: klaasend on March 18, 2010, 07:37:28 PM
I'm glad Amber's parents are satisfied for now.


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Post by: chi-monkey on March 18, 2010, 08:57:58 PM
I'm glad Amber's parents are satisfied for now.

Excellent.  That is all I need to hear.  Let's hope LE is hard at work on this. 
Perhaps they just need a more sensitive communicator for family meetings. 

Chi-M


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 18, 2010, 11:32:17 PM
I'm glad Amber's parents are satisfied for now.

Me too.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 18, 2010, 11:40:02 PM
Amber’s parents told few details
Police say their ‘hands are tied’ by gag order

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/17/carrie_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

The parents of Amber Dubois have been told few details about the investigation into their daughter’s death.

They want to know how she died and when. They want to know how authorities were led to her remains in a remote part of North County near Pala, nearly 14 months after she disappeared while walking to school in Escondido.

But they’re getting few answers. It’s an ongoing investigation, authorities have told Carrie McGonigle and Moe Dubois.

McGonigle complained on CNN’s “Larry King Live” Tuesday night about the lack of information, but the next day she said things had changed.

“We talked to (Escondido police), and we’re satisfied with what they told us,” McGonigle said yesterday. “Moe and I were both given an update today, and we are content for now.”

Dubois added, “We did get a few answers to some of our questions — stuff we needed to know.”


Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said McGonigle and Dubois spoke with a department representative.

“We have talked to them,” Carter said. “We’re just trying to tell them to relax and let the system work, and we tried to explain that our hands are tied” by a gag order issued by a judge last week.

McGonigle and Dubois said they have been asked not to share what they were told, but they still don’t know what led investigators to the skeletal remains of their 14-year-old daughter.

Escondido police have said John Albert Gardner III is a focus of the investigation. Gardner was arrested three days after 17-year-old Chelsea King went missing near Lake Hodges and two days before her body was found at the edge of the lake.

Gardner was charged with murder and rape March 3. Amber’s remains were found March 6.

McGonigle appeared on CNN with Los Angeles lawyer Robin Sax, complaining about the lack of information.

Sax, a former prosecutor and now an author and television legal analyst, said the family would have expected by now to have a definitive answer on whether police believe Gardner was responsible for Amber’s death.

“They are claiming that, at this point, it’s part of the investigative process. And while I totally appreciate and want — and so does the family — a perfectly solid investigation to maximize prosecution, there are rights that the victims have in terms of status of the case,” Sax said.

Dubois said he and McGonigle first met Sax several months ago when they appeared on the Tyra Banks television show. Sax is an adviser to the family, Dubois said.

In most crimes, until an arrest has been made, police are hesitant to share information with victims or their families in order not to risk compromising the investigation. Even after an arrest, it can be awhile before victims and their families know the whole story.

In a 1993 case, two young boys in South County were abducted near the Otay River and raped and killed. The homicides went unsolved for eight years until a DNA hit linked them to a man named Scott Erskine.

His trial began in 2004, and it was only weeks before opening statements that the boys’ mothers were told the details of their sons’ horrific deaths. They had waited more than 10 years for the information.

Erskine is now on death row.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/18/ambers-parents-told-few-details/

If there ever was a picture of the toll that something horrific like this has on a mother, it is this picture. Carrie has been through hell and back. I am so glad that she was given whatever answers she may have needed for the time being. LE has a tough task. There is intense nationwide media interest in this case and they will be scrutinized to no end. I can see why they are holding their cards close to their chests. Having said this, there is no way in *&^% that anyone will wait 10 years for an answer to what happened to God's little angel Amber Dubois!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 19, 2010, 01:34:54 AM
It is a very sad situation, no matter what..



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Post by: Tracygirl on March 19, 2010, 02:22:49 AM
Oh Edward that made me cry....
These poor young people, why does society keep allowing these things to happen? It is a horrible situation, just such a loss to the world each time it happens.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 19, 2010, 12:09:17 PM
My first stop every morning is still Ambers tread. Its like having coffee with my caring neighbors. I still read all the posts.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 19, 2010, 12:10:56 PM
10,000 Reward for finding a Hemet, California sexual assault suspect http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/hem10-0303.htm


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Post by: Shell on March 19, 2010, 01:33:47 PM

Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops

Chelsea King's accused killer was cited at least eight times after his prison release
Updated 10:11 AM PDT, Fri, Mar 19, 2010

Source: Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops | NBC San Diego


The sex offender charged with murdering a San Diego County teen was repeatedly fined for drug and driving offenses after his prison release -- once while driving a car that may have been used in an attempted kidnapping.

Records show John Gardner was cited at least eight times between his 2005 prison release and his arrest last month for Chelsea King's death.

In 2008, he and another sex offender were found smoking pot at an Oceanside park.

Gardner was stopped in Escondido last June for driving without insurance. His gold Pontiac matched the description of a car used four months later in the attempted gunpoint abduction of a girl in his hometown of Lake Elsinore.

Authorities seized a similar car on March 11 from an Escondido junkyard. It was not immediately clear whether the car belongs to Gardner.







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Post by: Shell on March 19, 2010, 01:36:33 PM

Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops

Chelsea King's accused killer was cited at least eight times after his prison release
Updated 10:11 AM PDT, Fri, Mar 19, 2010

Source: Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops | NBC San Diego


The sex offender charged with murdering a San Diego County teen was repeatedly fined for drug and driving offenses after his prison release -- once while driving a car that may have been used in an attempted kidnapping.

Records show John Gardner was cited at least eight times between his 2005 prison release and his arrest last month for Chelsea King's death.

In 2008, he and another sex offender were found smoking pot at an Oceanside park.

Gardner was stopped in Escondido last June for driving without insurance. His gold Pontiac matched the description of a car used four months later in the attempted gunpoint abduction of a girl in his hometown of Lake Elsinore.

Authorities seized a similar car on March 11 from an Escondido junkyard. It was not immediately clear whether the car belongs to Gardner.







 Copyright Associated Press / NBC San Diego
First Published: Mar 19, 2010 10:05 AM PDT

Source: Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops | NBC San Diego
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Gardner-Repeatedly-Stopped-by-Cops----88572002.html


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Post by: Shell on March 19, 2010, 01:56:37 PM

Gardner remained free after repeated run-ins
In one, he was with another sex offender -- and that man was sent back to prison

By Matthew T. Hall, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published March 18, 2010 at 10:10 p.m., updated March 18, 2010 at 11:12 p.m.

One night in November 2008, a police cruiser rolled up on two registered sex offenders drinking beer and smoking marijuana in the bed of a truck at an Oceanside city park.

One was returned to prison on a parole violation. The other, John Albert Gardner III, had been off parole for two months and so remained free, according to records obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune.

The encounter was typical of life for Gardner after he got out of prison for molesting and beating a former Rancho Bernardo neighbor, a 13-year-old girl.

Time after time, he came in contact with law enforcement. Time after time, he walked away.

Gardner was cited at least eight times by five agencies between his release from state prison in September 2005 and his arrest Feb. 28. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that he raped and killed Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. He is also a focus of the investigation into the death of Amber Dubois, 14, of Escondido.

After the five-year prison sentence on his 2000 case, Gardner ran a red light, got two speeding tickets, lacked proof of insurance twice, and was cited twice for marijuana possession and once for an open container of alcohol.

Four infractions occurred while he was on parole — the red-light violation, the speeding tickets and a misdemeanor marijuana possession offense. Except for one dismissed speeding ticket due to completion of traffic school, he received fines as punishment.

Alan Mobley, an assistant professor of public affairs and criminal justice at San Diego State University, said the system isn’t set up to track every violation of a sex offender, or an ex-con, upon release from prison. Often, authorities may not even know they’ve encountered a sex offender during a traffic stop.

“There’s a tension in the law between offering protection from wayward individuals and offering protection from wayward government, and that’s where the Bill of Rights comes from,” Mobley said. “That debate has been with us since the beginning of the country, and it remains with us still.”

Much about the Oceanside incident would have violated Gardner’s parole: the beer, the pot, the park location, his buddy’s sex-offender status and the fact Gardner was out after 5 p.m. But his parole had ended two months earlier.

The episode did become a parole violation for Dominique Whitehair, who’s a registered sex offender for the misdemeanor charge of annoying or molesting a minor. Whitehair was sent back to prison for more than nine months, according to the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

For Gardner, it was merely a $640 lapse in judgment, one of three San Diego County Superior Court fines that a court spokeswoman said Gardner has had referred to collections.

In Gardner’s case, a return to prison might have meant more stringent punishment such as possible confinement at a mental hospital or lifetime GPS  tracking.

Whitehair told the officer in Ocean-side that night in 2008 that he was on parole, but it was a records check that revealed both he and Gardner were registered sex offenders, according to the officer’s two-page report.

There are more than 4,000 registered sex offenders in San Diego County, with about 1,800 of them living in the city of San Diego. Oceanside has about 250, and Escondido 192.

Under Jessica’s Law from 2006, sex offenders are supposed to be barred from living within 2,000 feet of a school or park, but its implementation is under legal review. The state law doesn’t ban them from simply visiting a school or park.

By law, sex offenders must verify their addresses with local law enforcement annually or upon moving; sexually violent predators must do so every 90 days, and those who are transients, every 30.

Yet traffic citations and violations short of arrests or convictions aren’t something San Diego police keep in their sex offenders’ case files, Lt. Rick O’Hanlon said.
Such infractions also wouldn’t necessarily be known before authorities visit sex offenders at their homes, for sporadic audits or sweeps in association with parole or probation agents, O’Hanlon said.

Alerting law enforcement officers that they’re dealing with a sex offender could have immediate implications if there are children or hitchhikers with the person or if the person is near a park, a tot lot or a school.

Mike Moreau, a director on the board of the San Diego chapter of Parents of Murdered Children, said tracking sex offenders through driving records is one way an array of agencies in the justice system could communicate better.

Bill Southwell, who supervised the San Diego County sheriff’s child-abuse unit from 1985 to 1988 and from 1991 to 1994, said cluing in California’s law enforcement to its interaction with sex offenders could be a big help.

As it stands, the system “depends a little too much on the sophistication and the initiative” of any given officer, officials say.
“If he’s really interested in this subject of sex crimes, he can push to get the information and ask for it specifically, but it would be an enhancement to the community if this automatically popped out,” Southwell said.

A handful of states have a code or line item on sex offenders’ driver’s licenses, so officers know when they pull one over. California has no such provision. In Delaware, the letter “Y” is included on a driver’s license as a signal to officers that they are dealing with a sex offender. In Louisiana, it’s “SEX OFFENDER,” written in capital orange letters.

Robert Coombs, a lobbyist since 2005 for the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault, which represents 85 rape crisis centers statewide, isn’t sold on any sort of link between driving records and sex-offender registries.

“If he’s really interested in this subject of sex crimes, he can push to get the information and ask for it specifically, but it would be an enhancement to the community if this automatically popped out,” Southwell said.

A handful of states have a code or line item on sex offenders’ driver’s licenses, so officers know when they pull one over. California has no such provision. In Delaware, the letter “Y” is included on a driver’s license as a signal to officers that they are dealing with a sex offender. In Louisiana, it’s “SEX OFFENDER,” written in capital orange letters.

Robert Coombs, a lobbyist since 2005 for the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault, which represents 85 rape crisis centers statewide, isn’t sold on any sort of link between driving records and sex-offender registries.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/18/gardner-remained-free-after-repeated-run-ins/


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Post by: Shell on March 19, 2010, 02:05:18 PM

Klaas, maybe the posts I just made would be more appropriate in another thread (Chelsea King thread?) since he is charged in that case and not in Amber's.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 19, 2010, 02:13:16 PM
Nothing more then pure insanity. If we cannot trust LE, the courts, the parole officers to do their jobs we need them to do then stick these incurable monsters in prison for life and the heck away from civilized society. One strike and their out. It is the only way to make sure we are safe.


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Post by: lucylou on March 19, 2010, 02:14:22 PM
Who is Dominique Whitehair, the sex offender caught with JAG and sent back to Prison?
Was he out of prison when Amber went missing? Is he still in prison?  Could he have known where Amber was found? 


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 19, 2010, 02:23:08 PM
I was just going on to look him up. It says he was put back in Jail for 9 months, but not sure when he went in.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 19, 2010, 02:26:05 PM
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=Whitehair&firstName=Dominique%20&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH


Last Name: WHITEHAIR  First Name: DOMINIQUE  Middle Name: JOHN 
 
   


Specific address not subject to disclosure

 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
92083
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92083
Date of Birth: 07-16-1977
Sex: MALE
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190
Eye Color: HAZEL
Hair Color: BLONDE
Ethnicity: WHITE

Offense Code
Description
m647.6 ANNOY/MOLEST CHILDREN
None
 
WHITEHAIR, DOMINQUE JOHN
 
 


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 19, 2010, 02:30:37 PM
Would someone mind turning that link into a pic? I never do that right! Sorry


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Post by: lucylou on March 19, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
You monkeys are great no sooner did I read the article about JAG and other offender ( smokin pot - Oceanside)  it was already posted on your site.  Since the megans law link to Whitehead doesn't have an address I am assuming he is homeless???  And just a observation
the Megan's law site says - no tattoo's and scars - it looks to me like he has a tattoo on his neck and maybe some kind of scar/birthmark just below his eye. Could he be linked to Amber? 


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Post by: labubske on March 19, 2010, 02:48:48 PM
Who is Dominique Whitehair, the sex offender caught with JAG and sent back to Prison?
Was he out of prison when Amber went missing? Is he still in prison?  Could he have known where Amber was found? 

I wonder who the "unkempt man who was about 6 feet tall" was, and if they are interviewing this girl? Similarities? Working in tandem?

Girl grabbed while running in Kit Carson Park

By Jose Luis Jiménez

Thursday, September 3, 2009 at 8:07 p.m.

ESCONDIDO – A student training for her high school cross-country team was grabbed by a stranger while she was running through an Escondido park Thursday afternoon, police said.

The 17-year-old was jogging through Kit Carson Park about 3:25 p.m. when she fell behind other runners and bumped into a man in the park, said Escondido police Lt. James Stuard. The man then grabbed her by the arm and asked her to “stick around for a while,” Stuard said.

The girl broke free and contacted a park ranger, who called police. Officers searched the area by ground and with a helicopter, but the man was not found.

The man was described as white, 25 to 30 years old, about 5 feet 8 inches tall, weighing about 130 pounds with brown hair and a reddish beard. He was seen wearing a black shirt, dark blue pants and glasses.

He was with another white man, about the same age and 5 feet 9 inches to 6 feet tall, who was described as “unkempt,” Stuard said.
Who is this second man?

I posted this awhile back...wonder if this Dominque is involved?


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Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 02:56:28 PM

Klaas, maybe the posts I just made would be more appropriate in another thread (Chelsea King thread?) since he is charged in that case and not in Amber's.

I'll copy over there if it hasn't already been done.  I've been posting Gardner stuff in both threads.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 02:58:18 PM
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=Whitehair&firstName=Dominique%20&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH


Last Name: WHITEHAIR  First Name: DOMINIQUE  Middle Name: JOHN 
 
   


Specific address not subject to disclosure

 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
92083
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92083
Date of Birth: 07-16-1977
Sex: MALE
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190
Eye Color: HAZEL
Hair Color: BLONDE
Ethnicity: WHITE

Offense Code
Description
m647.6 ANNOY/MOLEST CHILDREN
None
 
WHITEHAIR, DOMINQUE JOHN
 
 


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/WhiteHair.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 19, 2010, 03:09:22 PM

One thing that jumped out at me was....they were caught smoking marijuana in the bed of a truck. What kind of truck, what color truck?


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 03:40:51 PM
Private Investigator Says He Led Deputies To Dubois' Body

SAN DIEGO -- A private investigator hired by Amber Dubois' grandmother to find the missing teen told 10News he is the person who led San Diego County Sheriff's deputies to Amber's body.

Two days after deputies discovered Chelsea King's body, Larry Olmstead felt he had to do something. Olmstead said he was frustrated with the Escondido Police Department and contacted the sheriff's department to tell them exactly where search dogs had tracked Amber's scent last August.

"They should follow up at three specific locations in the Pala area and how we gathered the information through our K-9 search effort," Olmstead told 10News.

Two days later, deputies discovered Amber's body. Olmstead said he believes last August, when the dogs led them directly to Pala, Amber was still alive.

"The search we did was a live search, which means we were searching for Amber based on her scent as a living person not a cadaver," said Olmstead. "There's a possibility she could have been in Pala alive, taken to another location and possibly killed and deposited back in Pala."

The dogs not only led them to several places in Pala, but to a couple of items on the reservation.

"I believe there are two specific items that she touched while she was in Pala literally with her hands," said Olmstead.

Although he could not elaborate on what those things were, Olmstead told 10News the items were of great interest to Amber.

He also said there were two pings on Amber's cell phone -- one in Escondido shortly after she disappeared, and another one the next day in Long Beach where her aunt lives.

Olmstead also worked on the Jon Benet Ramsey murder case and hopes Amber's case will have a much different ending -- one where a killer is found and brought to justice.

10News contacted Escondido police and Amber's father, but did not hear back from them.

http://www.10news.com/news/22890061/detail.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 03:44:57 PM
Why is this PI not keeping his mouth shut?  It seems that with the gag order and the fact that Carrie has stated she has  been told enough for now from LE why is Olmstead yapping to the media?  It seems very unprofessional to me unless I am missing something it almost seems like he is hinting he should get the reward? 

I may be too sensitive right now as I want to see a conviction for Amber without appeal and that the person who took her from this earth spend the rest of their life in jail living a very miserable life. 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 03:46:43 PM
Search Planned for Missing Teen

The cases of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois are calling attention to other cases of missing people -- including a 16-year-old boy from the North County.

Mickey Guidry from San Marcos disappeared during a Thanksgiving camping trip last year in the Anza Borrego Desert near Ocotillo Wells.

Family friend Chris Crawford says Mickey was grounded and took a family car to where his friends were camping. He didn’t have driver’s license. His friends gave him some gas money and told him to go home. Instead, he went driving alone in the dessert and his car got stuck.

"I don't know if he walked out and somebody picked him up or if he didn't make it out or what," Crawford said.

He says Mickey thinks he’s invincible and probably got in over his head.

”"He's a good kid he's just a 16-year-old knucklehead,” family friend Chris Crawford said.

It's been nearly four months and there is still no sign of the North County teenager.  A search is planned Saturday in the area Mickey was last seen.

The family of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois has spoken publicly about the case -- urging people to help find Mickey.

Mickey's family has set-up a Facebook page to help in the search. The case was initially classified as a runaway but the Facebook page says it's been changed to a missing person case.

Mickey's car was reportedly found disabled in a very remote section of the desert with his personal items still inside.  Pictures of the car on the Facebook page show the driver's side bumper and side view mirror had been torn off, the right front wheel appears to be worn down to the rim.

Another website is helping organize a search for Mickey Saturday at 9 a.m. Volunteers are asked to meet at the large parking area north west of the 78 near Highway S-2.  A map of the area on the website shows the exact location -- it's east of Julian in the Anza Borrego Desert State Park where the teenager went camping last Thanksgiving and his car was found.

The site describes the expansive search area as remote and rugged and asks that volunteers be aware of their fitness levels and come prepared with water, snacks, hiking gear and sun block.

According to the search website, the plan for Saturday is to split volunteers into several large groups one will include off-road vehicles while others will search on foot.

The San Diego Sheriff's department has classified the case as a "runaway" and are still pursuing leads, but they say Guidry has a history of runaway attempts.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Planned-for-Missing-Teen--88562227.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 19, 2010, 06:00:16 PM
NorRose he might be looking for the reward as you say. Not sure why he would go blabbing about this. 


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 19, 2010, 06:16:43 PM
I was just over in the lindsey thread and it dawned on me...Long Beach? The phone had a ping in Long Beach? Isn't that new information? Why did this PI release it if the police haven't? 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 06:45:00 PM
I was just over in the lindsey thread and it dawned on me...Long Beach? The phone had a ping in Long Beach? Isn't that new information? Why did this PI release it if the police haven't? 

New info to me.  Only recall one ping very short, tried to get into voice mail.  Never heard about Long Beach till today. 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 08:13:26 PM
APNewsBreak: Parole agents boost monitoring of paroled sex offenders after high-profile lapses

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California parole officials said Friday they have ordered increased monitoring of all sex offenders after recent high-profile lapses, most notably in the case of a young woman who was held captive for 18 years by a convicted rapist.

The new policy requires parole agents to more closely track the movements of offenders using GPS-linked ankle bracelets.

It also requires agents to visit high-risk sex offenders at their homes twice a month, up from just one monthly visit.

The policy change memo independently obtained by The Associated Press came after agents were criticized for not discovering a convicted sex offender was allegedly keeping Jaycee Dugard hidden at his Contra Costa County home for 18 years.

Corrections officials are also reviewing whether they should have revoked the parole of John Albert Gardner III, a convicted sex offender now charged with murdering one San Diego County teen and being investigated in the death of another.

"We basically have higher level tracking not only on high-risk sex offenders but even on low-risk sex offenders," said Gordon Hinkle, spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. "This is basically areas that we felt needed improvement."

The policy changes are a response to a report in November from the department's inspector general that criticized it for missing chances to catch Phillip Garrido, who is now charged with kidnapping and sexual assault in the Dugard case.

"Public safety is of paramount importance," Margarita Perez, deputy director of the department's Division of Adult Parole Operations, said in the policy memo distributed to parole agents on Thursday.

Authorities say the convicted rapist fathered two children with Dugard after she was taken from a South Lake Tahoe street in 1991, when she was 11.

Garrido and his wife, Nancy Garrido, have pleaded not guilty.

The new policy requires increased use of GPS tracking of those considered less likely to re-offend.

Forty lower-risk offenders are supervised by each parole agent, compared to 20 high-risk offenders per agent.

Melinda Silva, president of the Parole Agents Association of California, predicted the increased workload will overwhelm agents charged with tracking the movements of 40 sex offenders.

"We need to get them to 20-to-one," she said. "If they want to improve supervision, they've got to reduce caseload."

The change in policy also followed questions over the monitoring of Gardner, who has pleaded not guilty to murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King and assaulting another woman in the same park north of San Diego.

He also is under investigation but has not been charged in the slaying of 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

Records show officials decided not to send Gardner back to prison, even though he violated a condition of his parole by living too close to a daycare center.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-parole-changes,0,7913136.story


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 08:15:25 PM
Searchers to scour desert for missing teen

 search party will hunt this weekend in a remote section Anza-Borrego Desert State Park for a San Marcos teenager who was last seen over Thanksgiving weekend.

About 100 people have tentatively signed up to help find Mickey Guidry, 16, who was originally classified as a runaway. His family hopes more people will join the search, which will begin at 9 a.m. Saturday.

Mickey had taken his parents’ Jeep Cherokee without permission Nov. 27, a week after taking his stepfather’s motorcycle for a joy ride. He met friends in the desert and reportedly headed home on an isolated dirt road.

Witnesses said Mickey, who was not familiar with the area, left his camping spot off Split Mountain Road in Ocotillo Wells around 3 p.m. His mother believes he took a backcountry shortcut but underestimated the severity of the trail.

The Jeep was found disabled the next day on a rugged, off-road vehicle trail in Fish Creek Wash, eight miles from the nearest paved road. Mickey’s wallet and personal belongings were inside the Jeep, and the keys were in the ignition. A blanket that belonged to him was found 1.5 miles northeast of the abandoned vehicle. No blood was found on the car.

A search by the Sheriff’s Department turned up no other clues, according to Mickey’s stepfather, Air Force Major Douglas Perucca. He said that gives him hope that Mickey may be alive, but then he thinks someone would have contacted the family if he were OK.

“I’m still not sure what to believe,” Perucca said. “We’re just hoping to get some closure.”

Chris Crawford, a friend who is serving as spokesman for the family, said publicity could jar the memory of someone who may have seen Mickey hiking in a nearby canyon or gave him a ride that day.

“He may be laying low out of fear of being punished,” Crawford said. “That’s the big hope. The only way we’ll find this kid is if we get the word out.”

Crawford said people with search-and-rescue experience will help lead teams to look for the teen, who is 5 feet 10, 155 pounds, with sandy blonde hair. State park rangers will brief search-party members on safety concerns in the desert.

“It’s a harsh environment. It’s very remote,” Crawford said. “I hope that anyone that shows up is physically fit. Preferably, it will be people with four-wheel drive or Jeeps.”

Perucca, who, returned from Afghanistan about a month ago, helped organize this weekend’s search.

“This has spread like wildfire through the Internet,” Perucca said. “We want to thank everyone who has volunteered to help. There’s been an amazing rallying of the community. We’re shocked.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/19/searchers-to-scour-desert-for-missing-teen/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 08:17:05 PM
P.I. says he called sheriff before Amber's body found
He was reminding them of previous findings by dogs

A private investigator hired last year by Amber Dubois’ grandmother says it’s possible, but not likely, that a tip he gave to the Sheriff’s Department could have led to the discovery of the 14-year-old girl’s remains on March 6.

Lawrence Olmstead, a Los Angeles-based private investigator, says that a day before the Escondido teenager’s skeletal remains were found about three miles north of Pala, he called officials and said they should focus in that area because tracking dogs back in August had traced the girl’s scent there.

Did his call lead investigators to Amber?

“It’s hard to say,” Olmstead said today.

Olmstead said he called the Sheriff’s Department after seeing televison footage of police searching Kit Carson Park in Escondido for clues. He said he wanted to let them know they were looking in the wrong area. He said he left a message and did not hear back.

The details of the dogs’ findings were old news to police.

In August two dogs from VK9 Scent Specific Search, whose expenses were paid for by Amber’s grandmother, Sheila Welch, had tracked Amber’s scent from her Escondido home, to Escondido High School where she was last seen on Feb. 13, and then to Interstate 15. From there the dogs led their handlers to Pala, specifically the Pala library.

Escondido officers went to Pala for follow up, but found no one who remembered seeing the girl. Several months later police brought in other dogs from Long Beach that the FBI often uses. Those dogs were unable to duplicate the previous team’s findings.

Where Amber’s remains were found is several miles from Pala off Pala-Temecula Road and then up a steep, small road that leads into the hills. It is several miles from the community’s library.

When announcing on March 7 that Amber’s remains had been found the previous day, Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher said a lead led officials to the body. It is still unknown what that lead was or who provided it.

Escondido police have said John Albert Gardner III is a focus of its Amber Dubois investigation. Gardner was arrested six days before Amber’s remains were located and charged with the murder and rape of Poway 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Olmstead said he is convinced that Amber had to have been alive when she was taken to the Pala area because the dogs only track live scents.

However, Sarah Platts, commander of VK9 and owner of one of the dogs, said in an interview last week that is not necessarily true, that in fact if someone had recently been killed and then taken somewhere, their scent could still be ascertainable.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/19/pi-says-he-called-sheriff-ambers-body-found/


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Post by: mizjay on March 19, 2010, 10:28:37 PM
Nothing more then pure insanity. If we cannot trust LE, the courts, the parole officers to do their jobs we need them to do then stick these incurable monsters in prison for life and the heck away from civilized society. One strike and their out. It is the only way to make sure we are safe.
Tracygirl I completely agree with your post.  If the common excuse is that the load is too great and there's not enough manpower, then leave them in prison. Quit paroling these monsters for society to fear. Chit, if the parole board can't keep up with them how can we?  If theb prisons are over crowded release some of the low level criminals not combative, med dependent sexual deviants.


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Post by: sebastian on March 19, 2010, 10:55:51 PM
Ugh! Another transient sex offender! We would not have to worry about their addresses if they were kept in prison where they belong! Now I have to wonder if Jag and his "sex offender" buddy were not working together at some point. I am so glad that these stories are staying out there in the media. We need to make sure that they never go away. I am sure that LE


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 19, 2010, 10:58:43 PM
Ugh! Another transient sex offender! We would not have to worry about their addresses if they were kept in prison where they belong! Now I have to wonder if Jag and his "sex offender" buddy were not working together at some point. I am so glad that these stories are staying out there in the media. We need to make sure that they never go away. I am sure that LE
will be looking for these sickos to do anything wrong right now. I am sure that it is frustrating for LE to go through all of the work to put them away just to see them released. Maybe now while this is so fresh on everyones minds, these perverts will start being rounded up for any teeny tiny infraction. Perhaps these infractions will stick for a change!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on March 20, 2010, 12:19:01 AM
I was just over in the lindsey thread and it dawned on me...Long Beach? The phone had a ping in Long Beach? Isn't that new information? Why did this PI release it if the police haven't? 

New info to me.  Only recall one ping very short, tried to get into voice mail.  Never heard about Long Beach till today. 

I would be shocked if this were true. Carrie would have been all over Long Beach if this were true. I think it is terribly shameful that Bill Garcia, Michelle Bart and now Larry Olmstead are all coming out to get their few seconds of fame by riding the tails of the publicity over poor little Amber's body being found. Unless they are working to try to change the sex offender laws, such as one strike, I wish they would all quit talking to the media and let LE do their jobs!


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Post by: ChiChi on March 20, 2010, 01:32:28 AM
It is to protect the integrity of the investigation.
It is to make sure that the prosecution is not hindered.
It is to make sure that the best chance for conviction of the accused is achieved.


Amber and Chelsea were found and the parents have them and know where they are.
The rest is up to our justice system.


You are dead on Edward.


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Post by: ChiChi on March 20, 2010, 02:01:16 AM
I was just over in the lindsey thread and it dawned on me...Long Beach? The phone had a ping in Long Beach? Isn't that new information? Why did this PI release it if the police haven't? 

New info to me.  Only recall one ping very short, tried to get into voice mail.  Never heard about Long Beach till today. 

I too only hears one ping


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Post by: Nut44x4 on March 20, 2010, 10:03:05 AM
Gardner's truck repossessed four days after Amber Dubois went missing
Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:14 AM EST
Updated: Mar 20, 2010 2:19 AM EST

A white pickup truck once owned by accused killer John Gardner has become the focus of crime scene investigators in the Amber Dubois murder case. Records obtained by News 8 show the truck was repossessed from Gardner just four days after the 14-year-old went missing.

The repossession documents prove Gardner was still driving the truck when Amber Dubois vanished while walking to Escondido High School on February 13, 2009.

Now, forensic investigators are combing through the truck looking for key evidence that could link Gardner to the student's death. (The photograph posted on this page is not the actual truck.  It is the same color, year and model).

Used car lot owner Paul Hashemi sold Gardner the white Chevy Silverado in October of 2006.

"To have known or have had contact with somebody like that is just shocking," Hashemi told News 8.

Hashemi owns the Value Cars dealership in National City. "We had an offsite sale at Qualcomm Stadium and he bought the vehicle there. It was a 2004 Chevy Silverado truck," Hashemi recalled.

At the Qualcomm Stadium tent sale, Hashemi remembers Gardner traded in a red 2000 Chevrolet Tracker with 266,795 miles on it. The registered owner of the Tracker was Gardner's mother, Cathy Osborn. The transaction stuck in Hashemi's mind because the mileage was extraordinarily high for a 2000 Tracker.

Gardner purchased the white Silverado on October 15, 2006 with 34,918 miles on it.

Hashemi showed News 8 paperwork showing the Silverado was repossessed from Gardner.

"Evidently he did not make payments," Hashemi said. "They repossessed the vehicle on February 17, 2009."

When it was repossessed, the Silverado had 115, 695 miles on it, according to records provided by Hashemi. That means Gardner put 80,777 miles on the Silverado over the course of 28 months, which averages out to about 35,000 miles per year.

The Automobile Club cites an average of 15,000 miles per year as typical of most drivers in the United States.

After it was repossessed, the Silverado was eventually resold to an immigrant living in Los Angeles.

FBI agents seized the vehicle on March 10, 2010, telling the new owner they needed to check out the truck for DNA.

"It is very likely (Amber Dubois) was in a vehicle, potentially that vehicle at some time," forensic DNA expert Suzanna Ryan told New 8.

Ryan believes if Amber was in that truck, investigators will find something: blood, hair, or perhaps bodily fluids.

"Even if the surface area of the vehicle was cleaned, it's possible a mixture of DNA from both individuals could have sunk deeper into the fabric," Ryan said.

If clothing was found at the spot where Amber's skeletal remains were discovered on March 6 in Pala, investigators will try to match those clothing fibers, too.

"So if we have clothing evidence from the victim, we can match that back to fiber evidence that still might be in that vehicle," Ryan said.

DNA evidence aside, the man who sold John Gardner that white Chevy pickup just can't stop thinking about the two girls who lost their lives.

"As a parent it's just a sickening feeling. My deepest condolences go to both families," Hashemi told News 8.

At the time the pickup was repossessed, it was missing one outside mirror and also had damage to the tailgate.

If you think you may have seen John Gardner driving that white pickup truck near Escondido High School, police would like to hear from you.
http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12174713


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Post by: ChiChi on March 20, 2010, 11:14:04 AM
Gardner's truck repossessed four days after Amber Dubois went missing
Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:14 AM EST
Updated: Mar 20, 2010 2:19 AM EST

A white pickup truck once owned by accused killer John Gardner has become the focus of crime scene investigators in the Amber Dubois murder case. Records obtained by News 8 show the truck was repossessed from Gardner just four days after the 14-year-old went missing.

The repossession documents prove Gardner was still driving the truck when Amber Dubois vanished while walking to Escondido High School on February 13, 2009.

Now, forensic investigators are combing through the truck looking for key evidence that could link Gardner to the student's death. (The photograph posted on this page is not the actual truck.  It is the same color, year and model).

Used car lot owner Paul Hashemi sold Gardner the white Chevy Silverado in October of 2006.

"To have known or have had contact with somebody like that is just shocking," Hashemi told News 8.

Hashemi owns the Value Cars dealership in National City. "We had an offsite sale at Qualcomm Stadium and he bought the vehicle there. It was a 2004 Chevy Silverado truck," Hashemi recalled.

At the Qualcomm Stadium tent sale, Hashemi remembers Gardner traded in a red 2000 Chevrolet Tracker with 266,795 miles on it. The registered owner of the Tracker was Gardner's mother, Cathy Osborn. The transaction stuck in Hashemi's mind because the mileage was extraordinarily high for a 2000 Tracker.

Gardner purchased the white Silverado on October 15, 2006 with 34,918 miles on it.

Hashemi showed News 8 paperwork showing the Silverado was repossessed from Gardner.

"Evidently he did not make payments," Hashemi said. "They repossessed the vehicle on February 17, 2009."

When it was repossessed, the Silverado had 115, 695 miles on it, according to records provided by Hashemi. That means Gardner put 80,777 miles on the Silverado over the course of 28 months, which averages out to about 35,000 miles per year.

The Automobile Club cites an average of 15,000 miles per year as typical of most drivers in the United States.

After it was repossessed, the Silverado was eventually resold to an immigrant living in Los Angeles.

FBI agents seized the vehicle on March 10, 2010, telling the new owner they needed to check out the truck for DNA.

"It is very likely (Amber Dubois) was in a vehicle, potentially that vehicle at some time," forensic DNA expert Suzanna Ryan told New 8.

Ryan believes if Amber was in that truck, investigators will find something: blood, hair, or perhaps bodily fluids.

"Even if the surface area of the vehicle was cleaned, it's possible a mixture of DNA from both individuals could have sunk deeper into the fabric," Ryan said.

If clothing was found at the spot where Amber's skeletal remains were discovered on March 6 in Pala, investigators will try to match those clothing fibers, too.

"So if we have clothing evidence from the victim, we can match that back to fiber evidence that still might be in that vehicle," Ryan said.

DNA evidence aside, the man who sold John Gardner that white Chevy pickup just can't stop thinking about the two girls who lost their lives.

"As a parent it's just a sickening feeling. My deepest condolences go to both families," Hashemi told News 8.

At the time the pickup was repossessed, it was missing one outside mirror and also had damage to the tailgate.

If you think you may have seen John Gardner driving that white pickup truck near Escondido High School, police would like to hear from you.
http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12174713

80,777 miles in 28 months? That’s a lot of damn driving, perhaps surfing for victims, or driving in mountainous areas finding “good spots”.

I wonder if this SO chum of JAGs could have been the one to provide the information as to Amber’s whereabouts.  Do we know if Whitehair is still on parole, discharged, or incarcerated at this time?


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Post by: Paladine on March 20, 2010, 01:54:45 PM
Search Planned for Missing Teen

The cases of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois are calling attention to other cases of missing people -- including a 16-year-old boy from the North County.

Mickey Guidry from San Marcos disappeared during a Thanksgiving camping trip last year in the Anza Borrego Desert near Ocotillo Wells.

Family friend Chris Crawford says Mickey was grounded and took a family car to where his friends were camping. He didn’t have driver’s license. His friends gave him some gas money and told him to go home. Instead, he went driving alone in the dessert and his car got stuck.

"I don't know if he walked out and somebody picked him up or if he didn't make it out or what," Crawford said.

He says Mickey thinks he’s invincible and probably got in over his head.

”"He's a good kid he's just a 16-year-old knucklehead,” family friend Chris Crawford said.

It's been nearly four months and there is still no sign of the North County teenager.  A search is planned Saturday in the area Mickey was last seen.

The family of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois has spoken publicly about the case -- urging people to help find Mickey.

Mickey's family has set-up a Facebook page to help in the search. The case was initially classified as a runaway but the Facebook page says it's been changed to a missing person case.

Mickey's car was reportedly found disabled in a very remote section of the desert with his personal items still inside.  Pictures of the car on the Facebook page show the driver's side bumper and side view mirror had been torn off, the right front wheel appears to be worn down to the rim.

Another website is helping organize a search for Mickey Saturday at 9 a.m. Volunteers are asked to meet at the large parking area north west of the 78 near Highway S-2.  A map of the area on the website shows the exact location -- it's east of Julian in the Anza Borrego Desert State Park where the teenager went camping last Thanksgiving and his car was found.

The site describes the expansive search area as remote and rugged and asks that volunteers be aware of their fitness levels and come prepared with water, snacks, hiking gear and sun block.

According to the search website, the plan for Saturday is to split volunteers into several large groups one will include off-road vehicles while others will search on foot.

The San Diego Sheriff's department has classified the case as a "runaway" and are still pursuing leads, but they say Guidry has a history of runaway attempts.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Planned-for-Missing-Teen--88562227.html



I found this comment on your article about Mickey...do not verify it IS Mickey's Mom but media and police need to be careful throwing around the 'runaway' label...

 
"anonymous This is Mickey's mother~ this story has certain things that were not verified, such as "previous runaway attempts". He does NOT have previous runaway attempts~ Mickey took a dirt bike out of our garage without permission and went joyriding. I'd hardly classify that as running away. And the San Diego Sheriff's Dept do not have him classified as a runaway, he is "missing"."


Source: Search Planned for Missing Teen | NBC San Diego


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Post by: ChiChi on March 20, 2010, 02:16:57 PM
I read somewhere that mickey was in the FFA also.  Or am I trippin!?


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 20, 2010, 03:22:43 PM
There's a person by the name of Christopher Gregory Whitehair (12/31/1970), also a sex offender. He is incarcerated and is from riverside county. I couldn't find a picture of him. I think Chris (29) and Dominic Whitehair (35) could be related.
http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18603217I0955


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 21, 2010, 04:45:44 PM
i don't know if this is relevant to Amber DuBois. But a 23 year old hispanic male robbed a chase bank in Wildomar, the suspect's vehicle was a newer maroon toyota tundra with extra cab, chrome rims and raised suspension. The suspect was arrested in Lake Elsinore on March 18, 2010 for attempted bank robbery there. The suspect was identified as Manuel Enrique-Ortiz, 23 years old of the City of Vista. Same suspect vehicle, area/location, and alleged suspect description the tall dark boy..Manuel Ortiz had a handgun...I've been wondering if Amber was robbed for a long time now, Gardner is being investigated for Amber's disappearance, maybe this is just a coincidence. I just don't think Amber is Gardner's "type" meaning athletic not "bookish" as they say in the articles. Amber is street smart and smart, why would she go into a car with him, i am still wondering if Gardner was even in possession of a gun or has ever used a knife. I don't think Gardner uses weapons. Gardner would have had to get out of his car to get Amber into it, this does not make sense to me, how a big guy like him could get her without anyone noticing. It would take somebody else who is more street wise to do something like this, perhaps a bank robber who knows how to escape without anyone noticing...JMO, I don't believe that man in the maroon truck in the surveillance video was the same truck that belonged to the parent who says he was dropping of his kid.
LINKS: http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/lak10-0309.htm  suspect picture robbing bank
         http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/lak10-0317.htm   suspect identified as manuel enriquez-ortiz
         


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 21, 2010, 04:55:12 PM
Mickey Guidry was involved in the FFA, I just dont know how he was involved.


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 21, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Amber was described by her mother as not being street smart and on the more innocent side of the spectrum.
Ambers crime is similar to the young girl in Lake Elisinor who was approached by the man in the car with a gun, in the early morning hours, before school while she walked alone. This girl said Gardner is the same guy.
I think these are the reasons it is believed there maybe a connection.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 21, 2010, 05:22:01 PM
Tracygirl you are right because when they look at that surveillance video maybe they'll find the real suspect vehicle in there, and not that maroon truck that has been looked at for so long as the suspect vehicle. Gardner btw has made himself a huge target to all sex offenders in California now that they added new rules, just don't know specifically what they are.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cw618 on March 21, 2010, 06:46:19 PM
Quote
80,777 miles in 28 months? That’s a lot of damn driving, perhaps surfing for victims, or driving in mountainous areas finding “good spots”.

28 months = 850 days
80,777 /by 850 = 95 miles a day, 95.031
thats a lot of cruisin around town

yep and prob more victims


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 21, 2010, 07:07:53 PM
maybe he was doing that carpool thing and was getting extra cash that way, that or he made house calls, being an electrician that is one way to get a lot of money.


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Post by: darla on March 21, 2010, 09:17:24 PM
maybe he was doing that carpool thing and was getting extra cash that way, that or he made house calls, being an electrician that is one way to get a lot of money.



Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Just trying to catch up on the threads.

PIwanna.......Who and what are you talking about in the above post. I am totally lost! Sorry!


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Post by: labubske on March 21, 2010, 10:20:55 PM
in response to piwannaberookie...I agree and it seems odd that there are reports of Amber walking quickly with a thin dark skinned man.  I wouldn't rule Gardner out...but, that part doesn't seem to fit. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 21, 2010, 11:24:39 PM
maybe he was doing that carpool thing and was getting extra cash that way, that or he made house calls, being an electrician that is one way to get a lot of money.

I was talking about Gardner and why he had way more miles on his truck than he should have, I was suggesting he may have been carpooling, that is using his car to transport people to and from work, or maybe he made a lot of house calls, I thought I read in an article he was an electrician, those people make a lot of money for doing nothing most of the time. One time we had a big rat in our house and we called a pest control guy, he came to the house and inspected the area where the rat was and did nothing about it and yet he charged $100 for just coming to the house and telling us what we already knew. I thought maybe Gardner could have been making his money this way, or maybe someone else was using the car..

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Just trying to catch up on the threads.

PIwanna.......Who and what are you talking about in the above post. I am totally lost! Sorry!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 22, 2010, 12:47:04 AM
i have no investigative experience, so I only go on my "gut feelings" maybe my gut feeling is wrong about amber being robbed, gardner pretended he was going to rob the jogger in december, they police made the report into a robbery instead of a sexual assault, so that is kind of what I am doing here, making a sexual assault appear to be a robbery, how weird is that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 22, 2010, 01:07:06 AM
I wonder if Gardner was even concerned about how much money he was wasting driving around if he was just looking for...if this is what sex offenders do all day, I wonder what they or gardner put in for his taxes for mileage driven to work, wish we could get his tax return information for 2009 that is if he was planning to do his taxes.  I'm doing my mom's taxes right now and that is where I left off so that is why I am thinking about taxes, time to go to sleep now, good nght everyone.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 23, 2010, 12:28:44 PM
in response to piwannaberookie...I agree and it seems odd that there are reports of Amber walking quickly with a thin dark skinned man.  I wouldn't rule Gardner out...but, that part doesn't seem to fit. 

After Amber was found the witness was said to say the man walking with her was "doughy". That to me means he was not thin?

I think Gardner fits maybe he didn't work alone? He was said to hang out with another sex offender, maybe there were more he hung out with? Time will tell I suppose.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 23, 2010, 01:42:20 PM
is that why the police are keeping quiet, there are more suspects, so they don't want to alert them. I hope they don't come on this board.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on March 23, 2010, 01:42:59 PM
I doubt that witness account was creditable..


From a privious article.. The P.I. hired by ambers grandmother is saying He/She is the one who sent LE to the site where Ambwer was located.

This could take Gardner OUT and there coul;d be a possible OTHER culprit ??
I am not sure ..

Just saking


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Post by: Edward on March 23, 2010, 01:45:33 PM
sorry for the typos


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 23, 2010, 01:57:09 PM
sorry for the typos

No worries, Edward.  You may have rambling fingers, but your heart is in the right place. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 23, 2010, 02:26:18 PM
The tip was given by the PI the day before, it makes sense they acted on that tip. However it could have been the girlfriend, or you know it could have been both of them saying the same area? Right now it is all speculation I guess.
I don't think Gardner is taken out unless he has a rock solid alibi or if trace or DNA evidence leads away from him. He has not been named a suspect but a person of interest or at least someone Le said they are looking at. What leads ME to think he could have done this is the girl in Lake Elsinore. That was the same time of day, same sort of victim (age and walking alone). She has told police he was the one that approached her that morning.  There are the other girls in Poway as well right? did they say Gardner approached them as well?

We are going to have to see what happens I guess.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 23, 2010, 06:00:25 PM

Rumor is...was told to me by a friend of a friend of (?)2 independent people in 2 different areas of LE, that it was Gardner that pointed out where Amber's body was.

Time will tell if that rumor is true or not.


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Post by: Shell on March 23, 2010, 06:03:34 PM

Klaas, delete that post if it is not appropriate...thanks.


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Post by: labubske on March 23, 2010, 06:06:27 PM
in response to piwannaberookie...I agree and it seems odd that there are reports of Amber walking quickly with a thin dark skinned man.  I wouldn't rule Gardner out...but, that part doesn't seem to fit. 

After Amber was found the witness was said to say the man walking with her was "doughy". That to me means he was not thin?

I think Gardner fits maybe he didn't work alone? He was said to hang out with another sex offender, maybe there were more he hung out with? Time will tell I suppose.
I sure would not rule Gardner out.  It is obvious through various accounts that he is bold...wouldn't be concerned with exposure.  I just recalled reading that report...so, it wasn't adding up.  "Doughy" would fit Gardner.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 23, 2010, 06:18:31 PM

It certainly could be true that Gardner would have been the one who told them where to find Amber (or took them to), given how soon they found Amber after JAG's arrest.

However, the reports were that he was not being helpful, so who knows.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2010, 06:35:13 PM

It certainly could be true that Gardner would have been the one who told them where to find Amber (or took them to), given how soon they found Amber after JAG's arrest.

However, the reports were that he was not being helpful, so who knows.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Shell the post is fine.  We will find out eventually what is true. 


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Post by: Edward on March 23, 2010, 06:43:28 PM
The avaters are getting better and better all the time.. Is that Brany's work  ?
You all look great.


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 23, 2010, 07:11:00 PM
The avaters are getting better and better all the time.. Is that Brany's work  ?
You all look great.

I don't know which if any particular avatars you were mentioning Edward, but CBB and Brandi both do work on avatars, and I believe Klaas still does some and some monkeys may do something with theirs also.  Regardless, the avatars are looking nice  ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: Shell on March 24, 2010, 09:47:23 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/us/24calprisons.html?pagewanted=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=ig

California, in Financial Crisis, Opens Prison Doors


By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
Published: March 23, 2010

[snip]
California is the only state that places all prisoners on parole at release, no matter the offense, Professor Petersilia said, and usually for one to three years. If a parolee is arrested or fails a drug test or misses an appointment with a parole officer, the offender lands back in prison.

Now, low-level offenders will not need to meet regularly with a parole officer and must be convicted of a new crime to be sent back.
[snip]

Considering the offenses JAG committed, I am wondering just what kind of offenses must one commit to be sent back? The key word is "convicted". If speeding tickets, unregistered cars, smoking pot and drinking, not showing up for court appearances(for traffic offenses) are not followed through with, then what? They must be convicted of a new crime. So it seems to me that would have to be a pretty serious crime to land an ex con back in prison. That is a sad state of affairs. IMHO

ok, we all know that this statement>"If a parolee is arrested or fails a drug test or misses an appointment with a parole officer, the offender lands back in prison."...is a bunch of bull!

Very interesting article about the State of California's prison system.


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Post by: NCMike on March 24, 2010, 12:05:42 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/us/24calprisons.html?pagewanted=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=ig

California, in Financial Crisis, Opens Prison Doors


By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
Published: March 23, 2010

[snip]
California is the only state that places all prisoners on parole at release, no matter the offense, Professor Petersilia said, and usually for one to three years. If a parolee is arrested or fails a drug test or misses an appointment with a parole officer, the offender lands back in prison.

Now, low-level offenders will not need to meet regularly with a parole officer and must be convicted of a new crime to be sent back.
[snip]

Considering the offenses JAG committed, I am wondering just what kind of offenses must one commit to be sent back? The key word is "convicted". If speeding tickets, unregistered cars, smoking pot and drinking, not showing up for court appearances(for traffic offenses) are not followed through with, then what? They must be convicted of a new crime. So it seems to me that would have to be a pretty serious crime to land an ex con back in prison. That is a sad state of affairs. IMHO

ok, we all know that this statement>"If a parolee is arrested or fails a drug test or misses an appointment with a parole officer, the offender lands back in prison."...is a bunch of bull!

Very interesting article about the State of California's prison system.

Shell,
This another interesting article I saw today about Ca. and the death penalty.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/22/california-killers-sit-symbolic-death-row-decades-costing-billions/In California,

Killers Sit on 'Symbolic' Death Row for Decades, Costing Billions
By Ed Barnes  - FOXNews.com
The state of California is losing billions of dollars keeping hundreds of prisoners on death row -- but the ultimate punishment is mostly symbolic in the state, where inmates ply the appeals process for decade after decade and are more likely to die of old age than by execution...........................


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on March 24, 2010, 12:18:44 PM

Mike, and the article I posted also said..it cost the state an average of $47,000. per year per inmate.  ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: sebastian on March 24, 2010, 12:52:26 PM

Mike, and the article I posted also said..it cost the state an average of $47,000. per year per inmate.  ::MonkeyMad::

I have also heard that 1/3 of our inmates are illegal aliens. I don't understand why we are paying $47k a year for someone who is in our country illegally. Deport them already!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on March 24, 2010, 01:34:12 PM
I think the worry is if we deport them they will come back and possibly commit the crime again. I can see both points.
I think cutting back on what a prisoner gets is a good solution. 2 meals not 3, maybe they can do without new eye glasses every year, medical treatment maybe at a min, dental only when they need a tooth pulled...lets see what else, no cable, no internet. I think the point is supposed to be life in prison should not be easier then life outside prison.


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Post by: Edward on March 24, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
They commit crimes again..No matter what they are criminal in there behavior pattern or they would not be illegals in the first place.
jmho


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Post by: AZSunny on March 24, 2010, 03:52:32 PM
I think the worry is if we deport them they will come back and possibly commit the crime again. I can see both points.
I think cutting back on what a prisoner gets is a good solution. 2 meals not 3, maybe they can do without new eye glasses every year, medical treatment maybe at a min, dental only when they need a tooth pulled...lets see what else, no cable, no internet. I think the point is supposed to be life in prison should not be easier then life outside prison.

Sheriff Joe Arpio in Arizona agrees with you, and that is what he is doing.  Pink underwear and green bologna to boot! 


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Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2010, 11:30:35 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/25/upbeat-memorial-to-celebrate-amber/

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‘Upbeat’ memorial to celebrate Amber
Escondido girl’s love of animals to be highlighted


By Janet Lavelle, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Thursday, March 25, 2010 at 2:31 a.m.

When Amber Dubois went missing more than a year ago, family members, friends, law enforcement agents and strangers set out to find the Escondido teenager.

In the months that followed, an awful uncertainty gnawed at the hopes many initially held that the 14-year-old girl would be found alive.

On Saturday, a memorial for the freckle-faced freshman will be held at the Escondido High School stadium, an event her family has designed to celebrate Amber’s life and to comfort those aching over her death.

Amber’s remains were found March 6 in a rugged hillside area north of Pala. She had vanished while walking to school Feb. 13, 2009.

“I think it’s going to be very upbeat in Amber’s honor,” said Tina Leach, part of a core group of volunteers who spent most weekends for 13 months searching for Amber and blanketing the county with thousands of fliers. “I think it will bring resolution. It’s just very hard to believe this has happened.”

Leach didn’t know Amber or her family when the teen disappeared, but the mission of finding her brought Leach close to Amber’s parents, Carrie McGonigle and Moe Dubois. Leach was with McGonigle when word came of the discovery in Pala.

“I felt that Amber was alive the whole time,” Leach said. “The volunteers became a family, and we wanted to bring Amber home. We did bring her home — not in the way we had hoped, but at least now we know she’s safe.”

No arrests have been made in Amber’s death, but Escondido police have said convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III is a focus of their investigation. Gardner is being held without bail after pleading not guilty to charges of rape and murder in the death of Poway teenager Chelsea King. Chelsea, 17, disappeared Feb. 25 after going for a run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges five days later.

Amber’s memorial will pay tribute to Chelsea and to Danielle van Dam and Polly Klaas, two other slain children whose parents offered support to Amber’s parents over the agonizing months.

Brenda and Damon van Dam lost their 7-year-old daughter, Danielle, in 2002, when she was abducted from their Sabre Springs home by a neighbor and murdered.

Polly Klaas, 12, was kidnapped from her Northern California home by a stranger and murdered in 1993. Dubois and McGonigle asked Polly’s father, Marc Klaas, and his KlaasKids Foundation for Children to help search for Amber.

On Saturday, the parents of all four girls will release doves in their honor.

Chelsea’s parents, Kelly and Brent King, said the parents are forever linked by their children’s tragic deaths.

“The only other people who can truly understand what you’re going through and walk in your shoes are, unfortunately, the ones who have been there themselves,” Kelly King said. “So, I think you’re forever bound in experience and grief.”

Amber’s love of animals will be reflected at her memorial in ways that surely would have tickled the teen. She was the kind of girl who wore the same necklace for months because the ebony center on its silver pendant set off the shape of a tiny shining wolf. Amber loved wolves — their beauty, strength and the natural world they represented.

At the memorial, Frankie the TV star wolf will be one of a number of special animal guests. Frankie will be brought from Working Wildlife ranch north of Los Angeles, which is home to more than 100 animals that perform in television and movie productions.

The year-old black male wolf has appeared on late-night talk shows and the HBO vampire series “True Blood.”

Fallbrook-based Pacific Animal Productions will bring a llama, miniature horse, monkey and python as well.

“We were asked to bring them as a tribute to Amber’s love for animals, and we were happy to do that,” said Karla Majewski, owner of the private zoo that offers educational programs. “We chose these animals because we were told they were some of her favorites.”

Amber had been carrying a check for $200 the morning she disappeared. The money would have paid for a lamb she planned to raise as an FFA project.

The Escondido High FFA raised the animal and sold it last year in Amber’s name, donating the proceeds to search efforts.

Agriculture teacher Mark Reyburn will join Amber’s parents and friends as a speaker Saturday. Amber also leaves behind a younger sister, Allison, now 6.

McGonigle said her hope for the memorial is that “everybody leaves knowing who Amber was and that everyone leaves knowing that she lived a good life.”

One legacy of Amber’s disappearance has been an increased awareness of the need to teach teens self-defense strategies.

Escondido High Principal Rich Watkins said that awareness surged after Chelsea was killed.



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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 25, 2010, 01:03:50 PM
Thank-you Klaas, and I love that the family is going to be highlighting Amber's love of animals  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 25, 2010, 01:47:16 PM
I wish I could be there. It sounds as though they are going to have a very nice tribute for Amber.




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Post by: Edward on March 25, 2010, 02:43:49 PM
What a beautiful picture of mom and daughter.


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Post by: Gypsy DD on March 25, 2010, 03:43:04 PM
What a beautiful picture of mom and daughter.

I agree Edward..that is such a warm , natural picture of a mom and daughter. 



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Post by: klaasend on March 26, 2010, 09:14:13 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22970051/detail.html

Preparations Begin For Amber Dubois Memorial


POSTED: 3:13 pm PDT March 26, 2010
UPDATED: 3:53 pm PDT March 26, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Escondido teen Amber Dubois was laid to rest Friday at a private service in Los Angeles, and the community will celebrate Amber's life at a public memorial on Saturday.

Amber was considered a shy girl by many. She loved books and adored animals. The day she disappeared, she was supposed to buy a lamb for the Future Farmers of America.

"She had the $200 in her pocket to buy the lamb. We got the lamb. She liked wolves, so we have a wolf here. We have a llama and a money, we have a miniature black horse … one she always wanted," said radio producer Tommy Sablan.

Sablan organized the recent run in honor of Chelsea King. He's helping the Dubois family with the memorial preparation.

"I'm just here because I have a 15-year-old daughter myself, and my heart goes out to the family of both Chelsea and Amber, because when I think of Chelsea I think of Amber, and when I think of Amber I think of Chelsea," said Sablan.

Amber had only been a student at Escondido High School for five months, and Saturday's memorial will be a chance for people to really get to know the high school freshman.

"I want everyone to come here and smile when they leave because I want them to get to know Amber, and when you get to know Amber you're going to get to know the love she had for animals and the love her family had for her," said Sablan.

Four doves will be released in memory of Amber, Chelsea, Danielle Van Dam and Polly Klaas -- all young girls who've been murdered.

Mark Klass will host the ceremony, and the family of all four girls will be in attendance.

The stadium will be filled with 1,200 blue carnations, as blue was Amber's favorite color.

Brenda Van Dam, Danielle's mother, is actually organizing much of what will be seen Saturday.

The memorial will be held at Escondido High School's football field at 1 p.m.



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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 26, 2010, 09:33:45 PM
Sounds like a beautiful memorial  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: trimmonthelake on March 27, 2010, 10:03:02 AM
http://www.cbs47.tv/news/state/story/Tribute-set-for-slain-SoCal-teen/zBFw_jN2a0mLg7wHShm1iA.cspx
Last Update: 6:28 am
ESCONDIDO, Calif. (AP) — Family and friends of a girl who vanished walking to school last year will hold a memorial service at her high school in Escondido, north of San Diego.

The gathering Saturday at Escondido High School will highlight Amber Dubois' love of animals, especially wolves, her favorite.

Amber's remains were discovered March 6 in a remote area north of San Diego. She was 14 when she disappeared.

Police say 30-year-old John Albert Gardner III is a suspect in her death. Gardner has pleaded not guilty to murdering another girl, 17-year-old Chelsea King, whose body was found five days after she disappeared in a San Diego park Feb. 25.

Chelsea's parents are expected to attend Saturday's service.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on March 27, 2010, 10:09:18 AM
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/03/10/001_15.jpg)    ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Edward on March 27, 2010, 01:44:32 PM
A beautiful sendoff for our Angels, Amber, Chelsea, Danielle and Polly.

Years ago My personal awareness began with Polly Klass..
 Today and even though the bad people still exist, Much has changed since Polly was abducted in the area of Awareness. Many people today pay attention and make action happen when a young person goes missing.
 In contrast, just below our southern borders, young girls go missing all the time. That population pays little or no attention at all. I have never even seen a misssing persons search by volunteers in Mexico.
 It shows me that we are ahead and leading the way for civilized society worldwide to pay attention and to get involved how ever you can.


 


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 27, 2010, 05:14:50 PM
Live video from our media partners at 10News.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/amber-memorial/


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Post by: Shell on March 27, 2010, 05:49:39 PM


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Rest In Peace, sweet Amber


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Post by: trimmonthelake on March 27, 2010, 06:08:14 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/amber-dubois-memorial-service/2010/mar/27/friends-describe-amber-funny-wonderful/
Friends describe Amber as funny, wonderful

Michele Clock

Saturday, March 27, 2010

Family friends of Amber Dubois described the slain 14-year-old in emotional speeches as a funny, "awesomely wonderful" girl.

Lifetime friend Cody Doyle described playing Super Mario Brothers video games, riding horses and even doing archery and target practice at a the Rawhide Ranch with Dubois, who was known for her love of animals.

Breaking down in tears, the friend said, "Amber was my best friend, you will never be forgotten, I love you Amber and we will soon meet again, love Cody."


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Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 27, 2010, 06:26:26 PM
A few screen captures of the Memorial sevice. Will edit and organize in a couple hours.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 27, 2010, 06:35:56 PM
I just got back from the memorial and it was lovely. The big red flowers spelled out with Amber were just outstanding. They passed out a little 4 page brochure with a picture of a wolfe on the cover that Amber had drawn. Inside were pictures of Amber at different stages in her live.



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Post by: Deenie on March 27, 2010, 06:43:17 PM
I just got back from the memorial and it was lovely. The big red flowers spelled out with Amber were just outstanding. They passed out a little 4 page brochure with a picture of a wolfe on the cover that Amber had drawn. Inside were pictures of Amber at different stages in her live.


Awe ... Amber she is such a beautiful young girl. That is nice to hear that it was a Beautiful "Memory" for all to know Amber in life.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for sharing Arm 


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Post by: Edward on March 27, 2010, 07:06:26 PM
Thank You for the images and the video.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 27, 2010, 07:30:06 PM
A few screen captures of the Memorial sevice. Will edit and organize in a couple hours.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/
Thank-you


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 27, 2010, 07:30:53 PM
I just got back from the memorial and it was lovely. The big red flowers spelled out with Amber were just outstanding. They passed out a little 4 page brochure with a picture of a wolfe on the cover that Amber had drawn. Inside were pictures of Amber at different stages in her live.


That sounds like a beautiful memorial  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Shell on March 28, 2010, 12:51:15 AM
A few screen captures of the Memorial sevice. Will edit and organize in a couple hours.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Amber%20Dubois/

Very nice, thanks!


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Post by: JessStar on March 28, 2010, 09:12:15 AM
A NATION wide petition asking for a ONE STRIKE LAW for child sex offenders! As parents, grandparents, aunts & uncles, we need to take a minute and sign our names!! How can anyone disagree??

Put in your zip code at the beginning & it will pull up your representatives & emails are sent to them on your behalf!!


http://www.rallycongress.com/one-strike-for-sex-offenders/2961/go/


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 28, 2010, 10:47:50 AM
A NATION wide petition asking for a ONE STRIKE LAW for child sex offenders! As parents, grandparents, aunts & uncles, we need to take a minute and sign our names!! How can anyone disagree??

Put in your zip code at the beginning & it will pull up your representatives & emails are sent to them on your behalf!!


http://www.rallycongress.com/one-strike-for-sex-offenders/2961/go/
Thank-you


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:21:53 AM
ESCONDIDO: Hundreds remember Amber's young spirit (with photos)
Parents of slain teen, others, address large crowd

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For more than a year, most of North County and beyond knew Amber Dubois only as a picture on "missing" fliers in store windows.

But on Saturday, shared remembrances introduced the spirit of the teenager ---- now said to be a victim of homicide ---- to the world.

Amber, 14, was a sweet kid who couldn't hold a tune but joyfully sang anyway, a shy animal lover who joined her high school's Future Farmers of America Club.

She played gleefully in the rain, managed to walk from class to class while reading her beloved fiction books and then, with the book on her lap, kept on reading during classroom lectures.

"She's a great kid, you know, lot of love," her mother, Carrie McGonigle, said to a crowd


MORE...

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_a04da876-39dd-11df-beda-001cc4c03286.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:24:24 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/d/81/b51/d81b51cd-9643-5094-bfce-678a294a5a75.image.jpg?_dc=1269748208)
 ::MonkeyAngel::
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 ::MonkeyAngel::
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Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:45:07 AM
Slain Teenager Amber Dubois Remembered

ESCONDIDO- A 14 year old girl whose bones were discovered more than a year after she was reported missing was remembered in a tribute Saturday.

More than 1,000 people gathered on the track field at Escondido High School where Amber Dubois attended to reminisce about the girl with teachers and friends.

Amber's bones were discovered March 6 in a rugged, remote area in Pala, north of San Diego. She was apparently kidnapped and slain as she was walking to school Feb. 13, 2009. The girl was reportedly carrying a $200 check to purchase a lamb she was to raise for Future Farmers of America.

Amber is remembered as an avid reader with a strong imagination and a profound love for animals. A llama, a parrot, a monkey, a snake, and Amber's favorite animal- a wolf- were all on hand at the tribute.

At the end of the ceremony, Amber's father stood in front of the mourners with the parents of three other California girls who had been kidnapped and killed, including the parents of Chelsea King, a 17-year-old whose body was found five days after she was last seen running Feb. 25 in a San Diego park.

Maurice Dubois, with the Kings and the other grieving parents, urged anyone who cried for Amber's death to demand a crackdown on child predators with tougher laws and enforcement.

John Albert Gardner III, who has pleaded not guilty in the murder of Chelsea King, is the only suspect police have named in Amber's killing. He has not been charged and police have not announced what led them to find Amber's remains.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-amber-dubois-memorial,0,3672710.story


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:47:23 AM
Friends, family promise to never forget Amber Dubois at service

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Amber Dubois was a patient, compassionate, creative bookworm, with a vivid imagination and a love for animals, said the girl’s family, friends and teachers at a public memorial Saturday.

She’d sneak a book under her desk and read during lessons. She immersed herself in fantasy, loved the “Twilight” series and was adamantly a part of “Team Jacob.”

She loved to draw, especially wolves, her favorite animal.

She was active in her school’s agricultural science department. And the day she went missing, Feb. 13, 2009, she was on her way to school to buy a lamb she planned to raise with the Future Farmers of America club.

The 14-year-old blue-eyed Escondido girl was remembered at a public memorial at the Escondido High School stadium. After missing for more than a year, her remains were found near a Pala Reservation on March 6. Investigators have said little about the case.

More than 1,500 people attended the service, which was upbeat at times. A band played Guns N’ Roses, Journey and Fleetwood Mac songs, and speakers shared funny stories. A video played with Amber singing off-key, and a photo slideshow showed the girl making silly faces and standing in the rain, catching raindrops with her tongue.

And at times, the service was heart wrenching. Speakers choked up and cried, and recalled Amber’s warm personality and quirks.

Taylor Doyle, a family friend, said one of her favorite memories with Amber was the homecoming dance. Amber didn’t care for makeup and didn’t like to dress up, but Taylor and a friend made her dress up. Taylor said Amber’s “radiance and beauty” shined that night.

“Amber and I were supposed to go to college together,” Taylor said. “We wanted to have a friendship like [our moms] have. [And] once we graduated … I hoped to have kids, and raise them together with her. Now I’m robbed … We were supposed to be friends forever.”

Taylor said she was overwhelmed by the number of people who attended the memorial and that Amber would “never be forgotten.”

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-27/local-county-news/friends-family-promise-to-never-forget-amber-dubois-at-service


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:50:26 AM
Murder Victim Amber Dubois Remembered at Escondido High School

ESCONDIDO - Those who knew and loved Amber Dubois celebrated her love of animals -- especially wolves -- books and friends at a memorial for the slain 14-year-old today at Escondido High School.

Nearly 500 mourners, seated in chairs and grandstand benches, gathered under 80-degree sunny skies for the 1 p.m. ceremony at a football stadium decked out in flowers and blue ribbons.

The child had been carrying a check for $200 to buy a lamb for a 4-H project when she disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, while she was walking to school. A sheep brought to the memorial bleated during the second outdoor memorial service for slain San Diego County girls in two weeks.

Her father, Maurice Dubois, challenged "everyone who has ever shed atear for Amber'' and other slain children to take action to strengthen and enforce laws against sex offenders.

"We need to protect the children we have left,'' Dubois said.

MORE....

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Murder-Victim-Amber-Dubois-Remembered-at/Cq6-8lEDXUOPkjRQfOww5w.cspx


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:55:06 AM
Klaas urges audience to "hold politicians accountable"

Lost child advocate Marc Klaas said he knew the event wasn't supposed to be sad but that his heart was "breaking" at the memorial service for Amber Dubois.

He urged the audience to "hold our politicians accountable" in working to prevent similar cases in the future. "We can’t continue to let them get away with this," Klaas said.

He said the laws are in place but need to be funded and enforced.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/amber-dubois-memorial-service/2010/mar/27/klass-urges-audience-hold-politicians-accountable/


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Post by: Ampersand on March 29, 2010, 12:52:26 PM
This is very beautifully done - I thought you'd like to see it...

http://vimeo.com/10514820


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Post by: Edward on March 29, 2010, 01:48:13 PM
Thank You Ampersand.. What a beautiful child.
Somebody with some unique talents produced a beautiful video to celebrate Amber's life.


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Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2010, 03:18:40 PM
This is very beautifully done - I thought you'd like to see it...

http://vimeo.com/10514820

Amber Dubois Memorial Video from Wayne Brubaker on Vimeo.



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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 29, 2010, 03:35:09 PM
best video I've ever seen, better than any home video I've tried to make, there are lot of good memories of Amber in this video. Thanks for sharing them!


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Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 03:37:21 PM
Thank you for sharing that special video of Amber. 


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 29, 2010, 03:44:36 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/29/sex-offender-board-lacks-resources/
Shortfalls hinder oversight of sex offenders
Group reviewing how state handled parole short on staff, budget

Monday, March 29, 2010

The board that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger picked to review the state’s handling of convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III’s parole has no budget, barely any staff and a history of attendance problems.

The 17-seat Sex Offender Management Board lacks a chairman and didn’t even manage a quorum this month at the first meeting to discuss its new mission.

Two of the eight members who showed up were officials from the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation — the agency under scrutiny for destroying some of Gardner’s parole documents and allowing him to stay on the streets despite seven parole violations in 2007 and 2008. He now stands accused of killing Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

Former Assemblyman Todd Spitzer said the board he helped create in 2006 has been neutered and neglected and is not equipped for the Gardner review because of its lack of subpoena power and its core of corrections officials.

“Instead of being members, they need to be witnesses,” said Spitzer, a former prison oversight committee chairman who is now an Orange County assistant district attorney.

Members acknowledged their limitations but said their mission will be accomplished. They just don’t know when.

“If you say where in California is the best locus of expertise, it’s the Sex Offender Management Board,” said Tom Tobin, the board’s vice chairman and a San Francisco psychologist. “We have the expertise, but not the resources, staff, power and ability to devote the energy to do something like this in a very rapid way.”

Tobin has told the governor’s office that the review should be complete by May 1, but other members said that might be optimistic because they are all volunteers with full-time jobs.

Corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said Friday that the department will fully cooperate with board requests for staff participation and testimony but the department’s two members would not recuse themselves from the review. She said the board’s makeup makes it “uniquely equipped” to offer a balanced view of the department.

Corrections officials have agreed to pay board members’ travel costs for two meetings in April — roughly $2,000 — but made no commitments beyond that, Tobin said.

The failure of a department with a $13.1 billion budget to do more frustrates board member Jerry Powers, the chief probation officer for Stanislaus County.

“In an organization the size of the state of California and the size of the Department of Corrections, I have a hard time believing that you can’t come up with the money to do this in the most effective way,” he said.

Gardner spent five years in prison for molesting and beating a 13-year-old Rancho Bernardo neighbor in 2000. He spent three years on parole and remained free despite multiple violations, the most serious of which was living too close to three schools in Mira Mesa.

He is accused of raping and killing Chelsea after she went for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park last month. He is also under investigation in the death of Amber Dubois, 14, of Escondido.

In response to media requests, corrections officials released documents from Gardner’s file showing he violated parole but was not sent back to prison. If he had been, he would have been subject to stricter post-release supervision under Jessica’s Law, which was approved by voters in 2006.

Schwarzenegger ordered the low-profile board on March 12 to review the high-profile Gardner case and recommend parolee policy changes. On Friday, a Schwarzenegger spokeswoman reiterated his support for the board and said he would replace appointees who keep missing meetings, and get the board more staff and money if it asks for it.

The governor was focused on other priorities as the board grappled with logistical issues this past year.

• Five of the governor’s original six appointees missed at least four meetings in a 12-month span, which could have triggered removal, but no action was taken. Four of them missed at least 12 of the first 28 meetings.

• Corrections official Scott Kernan missed nine meetings; his predecessor on the board missed four; neither was removed for excessive absences. Lee Seale, the corrections department’s deputy chief of staff, has since replaced Kernan and attended the March 15 meeting.

• The board has operated without a budget since July and nearly had to cancel a meeting in August because there wasn’t money to cover travel costs. Two meetings were canceled in 2008 for similar reasons. The March meeting was held via videoconference at corrections facilities in Sacramento, Oakland and Glendale to cut costs.

• The board, which once had four staff members, now has one part-timer from the corrections department. He can work only 960 hours a year, or about 18.5 hours a week.

On Thursday, The San Diego Union-Tribune inquired about three empty seats on the board. That night, Schwarzenegger appointed one board member. But on Friday, one of his original appointees resigned, leaving the same number of empty seats for the governor to fill — two.

A third vacancy has never been filled by the Assembly Speaker’s Office, despite repeated requests to do so over the years by the Sex Offender Management Board.

The board is made up of experts from state government, law enforcement, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, probation officers, mental health professionals, victims’ advocates and city and county administrators.

It was supposed to disband after completing a comprehensive state plan for sex offender management earlier this year, but the Legislature made it permanent.

Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Rachel Arrezola said the board’s charge remains making communities safer by reviewing sex offender policy and specific cases like Gardner’s.

She said that under state law, corrections officials are part of a diverse team being asked to handle both tasks.

Specifically, Schwarzenegger has asked the board to examine why Gardner was not classified as a high-risk offender upon his release from prison in 2005; whether his parole residency restrictions were appropriate and appropriately enforced; and whether parole violations were handled according to state policy and law
.

“The goal here is to look at this case and learn from this case,” Arrezola said. “The governor is not saying that this is the panacea for all things … He encourages and welcomes the Legislature and others to review the case as well.”

Legislators have already begun questioning corrections officials at public hearings. The Office of the Inspector General has begun a probe, and the corrections department is undertaking an internal review.

Jack Wallace, the board coordinator employed by the corrections department, said the board has an open mind.

“We want things that are going to work and make people safe and hopefully won’t result in wasted time and wasted money,” he said.

Board members said they’ll do the best they can.

“The more impartial, professional eyes you have looking at this, the better,” Powers said. “The governor’s asked some pretty broad questions of us, and I don’t think any of us are interested in giving yes-or-no answers.”

He added: “I guess I’d ask that you reserve judgment until you see what we have to say.”



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Post by: Edward on March 29, 2010, 04:52:34 PM
Politics aside for a moment..

Was Escondido police department restricted from searching Gardner's home and vehicle when Amber went missing ?? Would it have been legal for them to do that ?

When it was established where the cell phone pinged was Escondido police restricted from invading every registered sex offender within that zone ??

Would they have found evidence on Amber ?

Would Chelsea be alive today ?

Very important question in hindsight..

These are the questions being avoided..
The political circus wants to focus on the big picture.
I want to focus closer to the real problem.




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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 29, 2010, 05:16:31 PM
Politics aside for a moment..

Was Escondido police department restricted from searching Gardner's home and vehicle when Amber went missing ?? Would it have been legal for them to do that ?

When it was established where the cell phone pinged was Escondido police restricted from invading every registered sex offender within that zone ??

Would they have found evidence on Amber ?

Would Chelsea be alive today ?

Very important question in hindsight..

These are the questions being avoided..
The political circus wants to focus on the big picture.
I want to focus closer to the real problem.




If I were a cop in that area, or the detective, I would have had something called probable cause to contact every sex offender within that area of the cell phone ping. I wouldn't need a search warrant if all I wanted to do was make a conversation with the sex offender and then come in with a SAR (search and rescue dog) or what animal they use to find missing people (dead or alive). I guess I would be a pretty rogue doing that but I wouldn't care much, it would be a sex offenders word against a cop. So if getting sued is an issue, I doubt it would have been. I think the escondido cops have rules they have to follow per departmental policy (to protect the integrity of the investigation...), maybe they just weren't thinking about a sex offender having taken Amber and so forth, or they were relying too much on the private investigators to do that kind of work. Maybe the cops were waiting for something else. OR Maybe they had no experience like this before, having a 14 year old disappear without any evidentiary clue to where she could be. When I heard about Amber going missing I was confused too, how can a 14- year old girl just disappear on her way to school without anybody noticing? This has been one of the most disturbing missing persons cases, I haven't looked into other cases but this is one that has made everyone rethink what to teach their kids about strangers and walking by themselves. To answer your post Edward, the police should have questioned or searched and seizure every single sex offender in that area if they knew about Amber's cell phone ping. That was critical evidence. I agree that more could have been done, maybe the cops weren't trained to handle the situation as such, maybe all they needed was to use their textbook training which was to search the sex offenders cars and seize items like underwear (how many actually do their own laundry?), pants, anything that looked suspicious, even vehicles by looking at one (making sure it is theirs) or noting a lack of a vehicle (maybe the offender abandoned his vehicle somewhere)...or making sure they are registered to live in that area--some of the things I would think are normally checked on when looking at a sex offender.


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Post by: Edward on March 29, 2010, 05:49:22 PM
The law needs to be changed.

When somebody is convicted of a violent sexual attack, even after release they should Never  be FREE.
 That any sex offender can have his residence and vehicle searched at any time when a crime has occurred in his area.

IF I am wrong please correct me.
I do believe Escondido police were feeling restricted from performing a roust on sex offenders in Escondido. Because they have certain citizen rights once released into the public.

There are many types of sex offenders..what I am referring to is..
Convicted of VIOLENT Sex Crimes..
These people should have no right to privacy even after release.

jmho

 


 


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Post by: Tracygirl on March 29, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
This is very beautifully done - I thought you'd like to see it...

http://vimeo.com/10514820

Thank you so much Ambersand for posting this for us. Such a beautiful video of your neices life. I can tell from some of the pics she had fun loving side to her. I love the pics during the song "girls just want to have fun" so funny and cute. Her friends really had some very nice things to say about her. Again, thank you for posting this.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 29, 2010, 10:05:10 PM
We need immediate solutions for the big picture. The burdon should be placed on the Sex Offender (he committed the crime)

1. All sex offenders should be required to report to there city police Dept and pay an annual $50.00 fee to live in that city. All fee's would go to the state earmarked for Sex offender monies. If sex offenders do not pay the $50.00 per year to live in a city in California, they can move to a city that does not have such a good climate (North Dakota) and does not require a fee.

I wonder if the State of California can purchase some land in Dakota farm country and send the sex offenders to live and work on the farm. It would be up to the Sex Offenders to make it a profitable working farm. They would pay royalties to the State of California.

2. His drivers license should be coded with SO. If he drives a car lic. plates should always start with the letters SO or even better be orange in color.

3. Sex offenders should have to re-new dirvers lic. every year.

The sex offender should be made to pay (financially) for what he has done. He put the monkey on his back, he should be the one who pays to feed the monkey. The people are always the ones who pay.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 29, 2010, 11:06:31 PM
armchair those are some good ideas, don't forget higher car insurance premiums.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 29, 2010, 11:39:00 PM
I wonder if charging sex offenders money is going to help, the rich ones like the man who directed "The Piano" wouldn't have a problem, he has a limo driver, and you can't require them to donate blood either because some have std's or other medical problems that can stop them from doing labor like farming, such as a bad knee or arthritis..what other options are there besides jail, volunteering at homeless shelters, the violent sex offenders would be good at going to war, training them would be hard work. Maybe educating sex offenders about their illness and having group sessions be mandatory 5 times a week, 8 hours a day. I've never seen a movie or heard about a book based on a sex offender, or a life of one, is it a taboo not to talk about this sort of thing?


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 29, 2010, 11:46:10 PM
either way you are right Arm, the SO's need to pay, whether it is the victims and/or the entire state, maybe they should have to pay judicial taxes or some special tax for their crimes, people who aren't in jail have to pay taxes, but criminals  in jail don't have to pay taxes, it should be the opposite.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 30, 2010, 11:01:40 PM
Reporter interviews Gardner's roommate who is also a sex offender, states "Gardner was living out of his truck on the streets of North County"..."had every opportunity to do it..." I guess he Gardner hated living with his mom so much he rather live out of his truck, that could explain some of the extra mileage. Maybe that is how he saved money by not paying rent or mortgage. He was living like he was homeless or a transient...??
http://www.webcastr.com/videos/news/gardner-was-on-downward-spiral-roommate.html


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 30, 2010, 11:19:32 PM
Does anyone know or have confirmation if this is JAG's myspace? http://www.myspace.com/jason6the9stud   it bears a striking resemblance, jariah baker is his only friend, and I can't remember anyone posting it, just thought I'd bring it up since it's been a while


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Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
Does anyone know or have confirmation if this is JAG's myspace? http://www.myspace.com/jason6the9stud   it bears a striking resemblance, jariah baker is his only friend, and I can't remember anyone posting it, just thought I'd bring it up since it's been a while

It was posted a couple weeks ago and my assumption is that it is/was JAG's myspace.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on March 31, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
i saw the myspace on the chelsea king forum, also in other places like websleuths, nosufferingfools, and a couple other spots. The blog entry for May 20,2008 says "I'm poor, homeless, and living out of my truck." I wonder why he never changed it or deleted it.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 12:05:28 AM
Maybe I was obsessing a little too much about JAG's myspace, anyway, it's now unavailable or deleted, but anyone can search for it, I hope LE or the DA has it, there are some important bits of his traits or hobbies that I would find would help prosecutors.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 12:22:14 AM
i think that black nissan sentra was the car that jag used to abduct amber, something happened the day after new years, that is january 2nd, 2010, i was at the park in temecula that is in the bathroom, and some lady who always walks her dogs in the morning ran into the bathroom to see if I was still there and then when I got out she said some man in a black corvette was "looking at [me] real hard", I looked at her and said oh yeah I should call the cops, but I didn't because I didn't see anyone looking at me nor did I even see a black corvette in the parking lot. I thought she was pretending or making it up to cause a scene or something, then a couple of minutes later I saw a cop drive by so I guess someone did call. Nothing happened after that so I didn't think anything of it.  I don't know if Gardner had access to a black corvette he's been in Temecula for sure.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 12:23:52 AM
oops I meant to say if Gardner had access to a black corvette, then he has been in Temeculaa, that is if what the lady said was true...


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 12:58:39 AM
sorry, i shouldn't have said i thought he abducted amber using the black nissan sentra when gardner was driving the '99 gold pontiac grand prix in jUNE 2009, that is when he "crashed it", if he did abduct amber he would have to use 2 cars, one for the abduction and then another car if he had her in his car if he she was not alive, which i really hate to say but the car would not smell good, just like with what happend when Cindy Anthony told 911 dispatchers about the trunk of the Casey Anthony's fathers' car, could be the reason why gardner crashed the pontiac. that being said, all cars need to be checked out that gardner has driven, whether the car belonged to JAG or not.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 01:19:57 AM
ok, i guess i made another mistake, the car gardner was driving during ambers disappearance was a 2004 white chevy silverado which he was driving in november 2008, then the silverado gets repossesed  in feb 2009, then gardner purchases a gold pontiac grand prix in june 2009. Between feb 2009 and June 2009, it is said he is driving a grey ford focus in april 2009 belonging to his girlfriend jariah baker. Then gardner is cited in jan 2010 and is driving a black nissan sentra. Jariah baker has 2 vehicles, being the grey ford focus and the black nissan sentra. In 2008, gardner was driving a black hyundai four door sedan, I don't know whose car it is. I'm not sure why they are saying why the black nissan sentra is a "missing link", maybe somebody here can explain because im lazy. Thanks


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Post by: Edward on April 01, 2010, 11:53:22 AM
I am not sure but I would think that Carrie would know why.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on April 01, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
One of my biggest fears is that they won't have enough evidence to convict JAG of Amber's death. Does DNA remain on clothing after a year? Would they be able to lift possible sweat from his body that would be transfered to her clothing. He kept his hair short so there would be no hair samples to recover. Lets hope he was a drooler and slobbered all over everything. He was a big guy so it is a given that he was a sweater.

I did notice on his myspace page that his old girlfriend from High School had been intouch with him. What I did not pay attention to was the timeline. If she dumped him in High School and broke his heart. She could have been the trigger that set him off. It also said his mood was betrayed. I wonder when that mood was posted and who betrayed him.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on April 01, 2010, 12:25:05 PM
Another question. Would he have washed the clothes he wore on that day? Or would he save it as a souvenir to remind him?


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Post by: Edward on April 01, 2010, 12:32:27 PM
souvenir
With some of these males they take items of the victim.
I do not know if this guy did, but it is why I asked that LE interview all girls relative to him included is mom for any jewelry.

The cell phone ping could be a great piece of circumstantial evidence if police were searching the area just outside his door..

Notice that they refuse to make public exactly what area they did search when that cell phone pinged.

DNA .. I am not sure.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 01:05:54 PM
if what gardner said was true, that is being homeless, poor, and living out of his truck, I think he threw them out, probably at the furthest place possible. I would like to know what gardner was wearing on feb 13 2009, maybe gardner's mom has a picture.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 05, 2010, 07:15:33 PM
Tomorrow, April 6,2010 is Kristine Nicole Hamilton's 23rd birthday. Kristine was reported missing July 7,2005 from Moreno Valley, last seen in a white vehicle. Her Father was home asleep and did not see Kristine leave the house. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/crime/cases/08129mvm.htm


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Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2010, 09:10:05 PM
Tomorrow, April 6,2010 is Kristine Nicole Hamilton's 23rd birthday. Kristine was reported missing July 7,2005 from Moreno Valley, last seen in a white vehicle. Her Father was home asleep and did not see Kristine leave the house. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/crime/cases/08129mvm.htm

PIWannabe - Not sure why you posted this here.  It could not have been John A. Gardner III because he was still in jail. I'm fairly certain he wasn't released until 8/2005 and Kristine Nicole Hamilton was reported missing 7/2005. 


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 06, 2010, 06:25:58 PM
just looked at gardner's terms of parole yesterday and it nice to be able to  see that. That's a good reminder Klaasend and to note that Hamilton was not a victim of Gardner because he was released almost 2 months after her disappearance.  I wish we could see a terms of parole for all sex offenders on the megan's law website whether they are on parole or not.


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Post by: Northern Rose on April 08, 2010, 10:06:23 AM
GARDNER TIMELINE

May 31, 2000:Pleaded guilty to molesting and beating a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo.

Sept. 26, 2005: Released from prison.

Oct. 7, 2005: Moved to Mira Mesa apartment

after a parole agent said he was living too close to an elementary school near his mother’s townhouse in Rancho Bernardo.

May 2, 2006: Received district administrator approval to stay in Mira Mesa until Aug. 1, 2006, end of lease.

Aug. 1, 2006: Date of lease renewal passes without action.

Aug. 24, 2007: Status report notes that he has “maintained a stable residence” and is clear of violations.

Aug. 30, 2007: Received a new parole agent.

Sept. 6, 2007: Discovered by agent to be out of compliance with state law and department policy related to sex offender residency restrictions.

Sept. 13, 2007: Informed he must move within three days and given $250 to assist with placement.

Sept. 15, 2007: Moved to TLM Sober Living in Vista.

May 20, 2008: Wrote on his MySpace page, “I’m poor, homeless and living in my truck.”

March 3, 2010:Pleads not guilty in the slaying of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/08/more-gardner-parole-issues-found/


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Post by: Northern Rose on April 08, 2010, 10:08:01 AM
More Gardner parole issues found
Sex offender lived near school longer than previously known

Convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III lived for just under two years in a Mira Mesa apartment complex, 700 yards from Walker Elementary School.

That’s seven months longer than previously known — a timeline now acknowledged by state parole officials, though not apparent from incomplete records previously released. Gardner’s special conditions of parole barred him from living within 880 yards of such a school.

A review by The San Diego Union-Tribune shows the violation was apparently unrecognized for seven months, excused for three more, then ignored or forgotten for 13 more — until a new parole agent took over Gardner’s supervision.

Gardner served five years in prison for beating and molesting a 13-year-old Rancho Bernardo girl in 2000, and was on parole from September 2005 to September 2008. The handling of his parole has drawn criticism since he was accused last month of raping and killing Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

While on parole, records show, Gardner committed seven violations that could have been used to send him back to prison and subjected him to tougher post-release monitoring under Jessica’s Law, which passed in 2006. The most serious was the residency issue.

Parole official Margarita Perez was asked about it at a legislative hearing in Poway last week.

“It’s important to understand he was approximately 2,100 feet away,” Perez said. “It’s not like he was across the street.”

Still, the distance was too close for Martha Mattson, a parent who says so many children cluster on city streets near Miramar College, Wangenheim Middle School and Walker Elementary that it’s a predator’s paradise.

“That they allowed him to be there is just unbelievable,” said Mattson, whose sons, now grown, went to the area’s public schools. “It seems unconscionable that he was there, steps away from vulnerable girls.”

Gardner, 30, who has pleaded not guilty in the Chelsea case, is also a focus of an investigation into the slaying of Amber Dubois, 14, of Escondido.

He was released from prison Sept. 26, 2005, and lived first at the scene of his 2000 assault, his mother’s townhouse in Rancho Bernardo. It was 437 feet from Westwood Elementary School, a parole violation that his agent did not let stand.

After 11 days, he moved into the Mira Monte apartments on Maya Linda Road. It’s unclear whether he moved with approval — and housing assistance — from parole officials. A public records request with the agency is pending.

Parole records released so far show a district administrator gave him approval in May 2006 to remain in his apartment for three more months until his lease expired, but he stayed 16 more.

MORE.....

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/08/more-gardner-parole-issues-found/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 08, 2010, 01:14:45 PM
GARDNER TIMELINE

May 31, 2000:Pleaded guilty to molesting and beating a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo.

Sept. 26, 2005: Released from prison.

Oct. 7, 2005: Moved to Mira Mesa apartment

after a parole agent said he was living too close to an elementary school near his mother’s townhouse in Rancho Bernardo.

May 2, 2006: Received district administrator approval to stay in Mira Mesa until Aug. 1, 2006, end of lease.

Aug. 1, 2006: Date of lease renewal passes without action.

Aug. 24, 2007: Status report notes that he has “maintained a stable residence” and is clear of violations.

Aug. 30, 2007: Received a new parole agent.

Sept. 6, 2007: Discovered by agent to be out of compliance with state law and department policy related to sex offender residency restrictions.

Sept. 13, 2007: Informed he must move within three days and given $250 to assist with placement.

Sept. 15, 2007: Moved to TLM Sober Living in Vista.

May 20, 2008: Wrote on his MySpace page, “I’m poor, homeless and living in my truck.”

March 3, 2010:Pleads not guilty in the slaying of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/08/more-gardner-parole-issues-found/

good time line, now all we need to do is have a partial list of dates of the Hasher's schedule, if that is possible, and what gardner did for his birthdays  as well as durng the month of february, and other holiday events, out of curiosity. Is there some kind of connection between the birthday of the suspect and the month that he attacks or abducts his victims, if it were that easy, maybe LE would have an easier time catching the SO's, by just looking at their DOB, classifying an SO, it could be like a new Compstat idea, or geographic information systems approach... or CPTED (community policing through environmental design). just an idea.


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Post by: Lovinlife on April 16, 2010, 09:28:21 AM
http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12316221

Family of Amber Dubois to host search-and-rescue training
Posted: Apr 15, 2010 9:30 AM EDT
Updated: Apr 15, 2010 9:31 AM EDT

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (CBS 8) - The family of Amber Dubois will host a 3 day search-and-rescue training class starting today.

Amber disappeared while walking to Escondido high school. Despite searches, she remained missing for more than a year, until her remains were found last month.

The class is scheduled from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. today and tomorrow and from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday at the family's former search-and-rescue headquarters in Escondido.

Participants will learn about tracking and preserving a crime scene.

The cost is $125 per person.


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Post by: Lovinlife on April 16, 2010, 10:22:52 AM
Would they bring JG back to court unexpectedly to arraign him on additional charges? Maybe for murdering Amber? Court starts at 2:00pm PT=5:00pm ET.



REGION: Gardner case unexpectedly back in court Friday
By TERI FIGUEROA tfigueroa@nctimes.com | Posted: April 15, 2010 6:21 pm

The case facing accused murderer John Albert Gardner III will be in court Friday afternoon, but officials are mum about why the hearing has been scheduled.

Gardner's case has a status conference set for 2 p.m., according the Web site of the San Diego Superior Court, and will be in the same downtown courtroom where he was arraigned March 3 in the slaying of Poway teenager Chelsea King.

It is unclear if Gardner will attend the hearing.

The San Diego County Sheriff's Web site on Thurdsay afternoon also listed Gardner as scheduled to be in the courtroom Friday afternoon. The web site, however, was later changed to say Gardner's next court appearance is August.

The hearing set for Friday comes as a surprise. Gardner, who is in jail, was not due back in court until Aug. 4, for a preliminary hearing, a key pretrial proceeding.

Details about the case against Gardner have remained closely held by officials. Superior Court Judge David Danielsen issued a gag order in March barring prosecutors, defense attorneys and their agents and representatives from discussing the case.

Gardner was arrested Feb. 28 in connection with the killing and possible rape of Chelsea King, 17, who disappeared Feb. 25 while running near Lake Hodges.

Her body was found in a shallow grave near a lake tributary March 2.

Gardner, 31, also is charged with attacking a female jogger at the same park in December, and is a suspect in the February 2009 disappearance and death of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old Escondido girl whose remains were found in Pala on March 6.



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Post by: Lovinlife on April 16, 2010, 10:27:00 AM
Amber Leaannee Dubois
Gone but not forgotten!!

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2dkhh5l.jpg)

Beautiful picture posted by Ruperta at http://www.helpfindmychild.net/amber-leeanne-dubois


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Post by: MuffyBee on April 16, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
I'm hoping and praying for justice for Amber.  Thank you for the update, Lovin'.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:49:08 PM
I just posted a bunch of documents and links in Chelsea's thread.  Include letters JG wrote as well as search warrant and receipt for items taken.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 16, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
I just posted a bunch of documents and links in Chelsea's thread.  Include letters JG wrote as well as search warrant and receipt for items taken.

Thank you Northern Rose.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:34:38 PM
He's going to plead GUILTY

It's my understanding he will be receiving 2 consecutive life sentences.  Count #1 murder of Chelsea King with special circumstances = guilty  Count#2 Candice M attempted rape = Guilty,  Count #3 Murder of Amber D = Guilty

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerCourt041610a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0001-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:34:55 PM
Gardner admits to murder of Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:37:07 PM
Admits that within an HOUR of kidnapping Amber he raped, stabbed, killed her and buried her near the Pala Casino.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 16, 2010, 05:41:17 PM
Admits that within an HOUR of kidnapping Amber he raped, stabbed, killed her and buried her near the Pala Casino.
My God, prayers to Amber and Chelsea's family  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 16, 2010, 05:42:41 PM
that is very sad to know.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 16, 2010, 05:51:26 PM
i just wanted to know how he was able to get her in his car. just what did he do, he needs to admit that, so other kids won't fall for anyone else's traps or anything else like that...maybe now is not the right time, maybe it is inappropriate, i dont know..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:02:43 PM
Count 1 Murder of Chelsea
guilty
special circumstance murder done during crime of rape

Count 2 Assualt of Candice M
guilty

Count 3 Murder of Amber on or about Feb 13
Special circumstance murder occured during crime of rape
guilty


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:07:26 PM
John Gardner pleads guilty to murdering King and Dubois

A convicted sex offender pleaded guilty Friday to killing a 17-year-old Poway High School senior and a 14-year-old Escondido High School freshman, and he was expected to be sentenced to two consecutive life prison terms without the possibility of parole.

John Albert Gardner III, 31, also faces an additional 33 years to life in prison for assaulting a woman Dec. 27.

Gardner, whose plea spares him from a possible death sentence, is scheduled to be sentenced June 1.

His plea also bars him from filing an appeal of his conviction and sentence.

Gardner admitted attacking, raping and killing 17-year-old Chelsea King, who disappeared after going for a run Feb. 25 at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The avid runner and straight-A student's body was discovered five days later in a shallow grave near a tributary of nearby Lake Hodges - not far from Gardner's mother's home.

He also admitted killing 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who vanished while walking to Escondido High School in February 2009. Her skeletal remains were found last month in Pala.

In 2000, Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison after pleading guilty to assaulting a 13-year-old girl at his mother's home. He was released after five years.

The District Attorney's Office said it offered Gardner a plea deal in that case to spare his young victim from testifying at trial. The offer came despite a psychiatrist's recommendation that Gardner receive the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison because he showed no remorse and would continue to be a threat to children.

At the time of Gardner's arrest in the King case, authorities said he was a focus of the investigation into the murder of Dubois.

http://www.lajollalight.com/news/268469-john-gardner-pleads-guilty-to-murdering-king-and-dubois


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Post by: Nut44x4 on April 16, 2010, 06:08:29 PM
John Albert Gardner III pleads guilty to King, Dubois murders

John Albert Gardner III pleaded guilty to the murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois Friday.

4.16.10
John Albert Gardner III pleaded guilty to the murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois Friday. Gardner waived his right to a speedy trial and in exchange for the plea, with the families’ consent, District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis will not seek the death penalty.

Gardner was charged last month with murder with a special circumstance of rape or attempted rape in King’s death. The 17-year-old Poway girl went missing Feb. 25 at Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where she had gone for an after-school run.

Her body was found in a shallow grave on Lake Hodges on March 2. Dubois‘ skeletal remains were found in Pala March 6. The Escondido girl went missing Feb. 13, 2009, and investigators had no break in the case until last month.

Gardner was also charged with sexual assault on a jogger in the same park on Dec. 27.

He pleaded guilty in 2000 and served five years in prison for assaulting a 13-year-old girl. A psychiatrist who evaluated Gardner warned he would be a continued threat to young girls.

A leaked search warrant in Gardner’s case was posted on a Los Angeles radio station’s website Thursday. According to the documents on KFI-AM 640’s site, authorities seized gardening and lawn tools – including pickaxes and shovels – and clothing from Gardner’s Lake Elsinore home.

Authorities also searched Gardner’s mom’s home in Rancho Bernardo, a storage unit in Escondido, and a car that belongs to Gardner’s girlfriend, according to the radio station.

King’s family and Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher traveled to Sacramento this week to rally support for Chelsea’s Law (Assembly Bill 1844). The new law would increase penalties and parole requirements for some registered sex offenders and establish safe zones to limit where sex offenders visit.

The bill had 16 cosponsors and the support of Assembly Speaker John Perez Tuesday. More than 150 people traveled to Sacramento for a ceremony outside the capitol to voice support for Chelsea’s Law.

http://www.swrnn.com/southwest-riverside/2010-04-16/news/john-albert-gardner-iii-pleads-guilty-to-king-dubois-murders


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:09:00 PM
Sex Offender Pleads Guilty To Murdering 2 Teens

SAN DIEGO (AP) ― Sex offender John Albert Gardner pleaded guilty Friday to murdering two teenage girls in San Diego County after prosecutors agreed not to seek the death penalty.

Gardner, 31, faces life in prison without parole for killing 14-year-old Amber Dubois and 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Gardner, wearing a dark blue jail jumpsuit with his shackled arms hanging at his sides, said nothing but "yes" repeatedly as the judge asked him for his pleas.

Amber vanished in February 2009 and the investigation produced few solid leads until Chelsea disappeared Feb. 25 near the site where Amber went missing.

Gardner was arrested three days later and initially pleaded not guilty to murdering Chelsea.

Chelsea's body was discovered March 2 in a shallow lakeside grave after a massive search. Prosecutors say Gardner was linked to the crime by DNA found on Chelsea's clothing.

Amber Dubois' bones were discovered March 6 in a rugged, remote area north of San Diego. She vanished with a $200 check to purchase a lamb she was to raise for Future Farmers of America. The check was never cashed.

http://cbs2.com/local/John.Gardner.Amber.2.1638270.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:13:25 PM
Chelsea was raped and strangled
Killing was done with premeditation during the course of a rape
She was murdered within one hour

Amber was taken to Pala where she was raped and stabbed
Killing done with premeditation during the course of rape
Murder took place with 1.5 hours of meeting Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:14:18 PM
DA will be holding a press conference at 3:30
Amber and Chelsea's familes will be there
No cameras are allowed so it will be reported after conference is over.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:25:13 PM
He has waived his right to an appeal
His plea does not insulate him from other charges in the future if they find he is connected to something else. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:28:50 PM
DA spokesman says the famillies will speak bit does not know who #nbcsd
half a minute ago via mobile web

the court just sent out documents and a reporter is complaining about not being abe to read the plea agreement #NBCSD
4 minutes ago via mobile web

the DA's press room is full of reporters and photogs talking case minutia and theories #NBCSD
7 minutes ago via mobile web

Kelly King was visibly emotional and was comforted by her husband #NBCSD
15 minutes ago via mobile web

 after Gardner was found guilty, Dumanis spoke to King family #NBCSD

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:31:51 PM
He Killed Both of Them
John Albert Gardner III admits he murdered Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

In a dramatic turn in two high profile murder cases, John Albert Gardner III pleaded guilty at a hearing Friday to murdering both Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

Charges in Amber's death were added at a status conference Friday at 2.30 p.m.

Gardner, wearing a dark blue jail jumpsuit with his shackled arms hanging at his sides, said nothing but "yes" repeatedly as the judge asked him for his pleas. He pleaded guilty to both Amber and Chelsea’s murder.

In the plea deal, Gardner will avoid the death penalty and get two consecutive life terms without parole and a third life term with a minimum of 33 years. He relinquished his right to appeal.

At the hearing, Gardner admitted he raped, strangled and killed Chelsea within an hour before dragging her body to a shallow grave.

Gardner also admitted to raping and killing Amber one and a half hours after he met her.

Chelsea and Amber’s families were consulted in the plea bargain and understood and supported the deal.

Gardner looked and sounded composed and aware of what was going on during the hearing. He only consulted with his attorney one time when he was questioned by the judge about his plea.

After the hearing, District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis turned around to speak to Chelsea King's parents. Kelly King was visibly distraught as her husband comforted her.

Amber’s father, Maurice Dubois, waited patiently for the Kings to speak to Dumanis, before leaving the courtroom with the Kings.

Amber vanished in February 2009 and the investigation produced few solid leads until Chelsea disappeared Feb. 25 near the site where Amber went missing.

Gardner was arrested three days later and initially pleaded not guilty to murdering Chelsea.

Chelsea's body was discovered March 2 in a shallow lakeside grave after a massive search. Prosecutors say Gardner was linked to the crime by DNA found on Chelsea's clothing.

Amber Dubois' bones were discovered March 6 in a rugged, remote area north of San Diego. She vanished with a $200 check to purchase a lamb she was to raise for Future Farmers of America. The check was never cashed.

Search warrant documents posted online by Los Angeles radio station KFI640AM show investigators removed a number of items from John Gardner’s home on March 9, 2010 including shovels, pick axes, digging tools and articles of clothing -- just two days after police found the body of missing teen Amber Dubois.

The site got access to “tons of documents” according to a station employee and worked over the last week to sort through them and post them to the station’s website.

Among them are an affidavit where investigators listed specific items they were looking for in a search of Garner’s Lake Elsinore home including rope, tape, handcuffs and other restraining devices, human hair, tissues or fluids, jeans, sneakers, and several shirts including a black T-shirt with writing that said “Hard Rock Café Baghdad on the front with ‘Farsy’ script underneath the print.”

A receipt lists the items taken from the home. They include a pick ax and a shovel taken from the front of the house by the front door. From the shed in the backyard, officials took 10 shovels, two pick axes and a yellow plastic carrier with digging tools. They also seized a pair of Reebok shoes size 12, five pairs of jeans and a white T-shirt with “Hard Iraq Café Baghdad” size 2XL from Gardner’s bedroom.

Gardner will be sentenced June 1 at 1.30 p.m.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Surprise-Hearing-in-Gardner-Case-Today--91044959.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on April 16, 2010, 06:33:10 PM
Admits that within an HOUR of kidnapping Amber he raped, stabbed, killed her and buried her near the Pala Casino.
My God, prayers to Amber and Chelsea's family  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:36:48 PM
A.mber's parents are both wearing Amber buttons #NBCSD
less than 10 seconds ago via mobile web

Dumnais is reiterating court developments and thanking law enforcement #NBCSD
1 minute ago via mobile web

Paul Levikow said the families will not take any questions

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


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Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 06:37:54 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/04/16/gardnerut_r290x251.JPG)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/16/gardner-pleads-guilty-murders-chelsea-amber/

Gardner pleads guilty to murders of Chelsea, Amber

By Dana Littlefield, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published April 16, 2010 at 2:29 p.m., updated April 16, 2010 at 3:21 p.m

John Albert Gardner III pleaded guilty Friday to murder charges in the slayings of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois, ending weeks of speculation as to whether he would be charged in the deaths of both teenage girls.

As a result, Gardner, a 31-year-old convicted sex offender, will avoid facing the death penalty, and instead be sentenced to two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole.

Gardner also pleaded guilty to the special circumstances of raping or attempting to rape both teenagers.

He also pleaded guilty to a charge of assaulting a jogger, Candice Moncayo, in Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Dec. 27, 2009.

As part of the plea agreement, Gardner waived his right to appeal the convictions. San Diego Superior Court Judge David Danielsen accepted the plea Friday afternoon.

Dressed in a black jumpsuit and orange sandals, Gardner mostly kept his gaze lowered and gave one-word answers to a series of questions by Danielsen, acknowledging his guilty pleas.

Danielsen’s questioning revealed new information about the circumstances of Amber’s death. Gardner acknowledged to Danielsen that he raped and stabbed the 14-year-old Escondido girl within 90 minutes of first contacting her. Amber disappeared on Feb. 13, 2009 while walking to Escondido High School.

Chelsea disappeared on Feb. 25 after going for a run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The 17-year-old Poway girl’s body was found five days later, on March 2, in a shallow grave in a tributary of nearby Lake Hodges. Thousands of volunteers and law enforcement officials had searched for the girl.

Gardner was arrested Feb. 28 and arraigned the next day on charges he raped and murdered Chelsea. He was linked to the crime through DNA evidence found on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing.

On March 6, authorities announced they had found Amber’s skeletal remains 13 months after she went missing.

Escondido police said Gardner was a focus in the investigation into Amber’s death, but would not discuss any further details.

Citing a gag order, lawyers in the case refused to answer any questions about Gardner, including whether he had led authorities to Amber’s body.

On Thursday, Deputy District Attorney Kristen Spieler said District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis had consulted parents of both teenagers before making the plea agreement with Gardner.

“Both families understand the reasons behind this decision and support this decision,” Spieler told Danielsen.

Attending the hearing were Chelsea’s parents, Brent and Kelly King, and Amber’s parents, Moe Dubois and Carrie McGonigle.

The families were joined by about 10 supporters, some wearing buttons with Amber’s face on them. Some wore T-shirts emblazoned with, “Hope never sleeps, bring Amber home” and “Amber’s eyes will always shine.” Three people wore shirts promoting Chelsea’s Light Foundation with the phrase, “They can because they think they can.”

After the hearing, supporters gathered outside the courtroom and hugged each other, but declined to comment.

Gardner’s attorneys, deputy public defenders Mel Epley and Michael Popkins, declined to make a statement after the hearing.

Dumanis and Sheriff Bill Gore also attended the hearing, sitting in the front row of onlookers.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:39:13 PM
Dumanis says Gardner led them to Amber's body #NBCSD

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:40:52 PM
Admits that within an HOUR of kidnapping Amber he raped, stabbed, killed her and buried her near the Pala Casino.
My God, prayers to Amber and Chelsea's family  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

That was Chelsea....

Snipped from the article posted on the last page:

At the hearing, Gardner admitted he raped, strangled and killed Chelsea within an hour before dragging her body to a shallow grave.

Gardner also admitted to raping and killing Amber one and a half hours after he met her


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:43:42 PM
Gardner's only deal was that he could
 minutes ago via mobile web

but that info could not be used against him, but info gained from scene #NBCSD
3 minutes ago via mobile web

DA took deal in order to gain murder convictions in both cases #NBCSD
less than a minute ago via mobile web

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 16, 2010, 06:44:11 PM
Dumanis says Gardner led them to Amber's body #NBCSD

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego
Confirmed, thought that this is what he did  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 16, 2010, 06:45:01 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::  How many more victims???? That is the question of the day  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:47:04 PM
If I read that last set of tweets correctly, Gardner's only deal was that he would take  LE to where he buried Amber and they could not use that against him, however any evidence they found at the scene could be used against him.  He must have left a lot of evidence.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:47:52 PM
nothing can replace the lives of chelsea king an amber dubois, says DA #NBCSD
4 minutes ago via mobile web

Mo Dubois speaks, thanks DA and asks for time to grieve #NBCSD
2 minutes ago via mobile web

Brent King says decision to accept deal was tortuous #NBCSD
1 minute ago via mobile web

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: mizjay on April 16, 2010, 06:49:36 PM
~~~~ May Amber's loving family find peace now that this man has confessed. The journey without Amber will be very hard but her spirit will always be with them.~
 ::MonkeyAngel:: for Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:53:28 PM
Says he agree to deal but "there's nothing satisfying about this moment" #NBCSD
5 minutes ago via mobile web

King says they agreed to the deal for the sake of their son and so that Amber's family could have closure #NBCSD
4 minutes ago via mobile web

The Kings hugged after he finished his statement, with Kelly's eyes closed, for at least five seconds #NBCSD
2 minutes ago via mobile web

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:55:16 PM
Afterward, Dumanis asked that people respect the families' privacy to give them time to grieve#NBCSD
2 minutes ago via mobile web

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 16, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
I just heard this on my local news. Oh my, I knew it when I heard chelsea had come up missing it was connected. I don't know how but something just told me. I am so sorry Amber, such an innocent child had to be taken in such away. May her death and the awful circumstances be a lesson to those in Law Enforcement that not all teens that come up missing are angry run aways. Sometimes they are simply great kids who need their help.

My prayers go out to the family. May the light of Ambers love shine in their hearts forever and help them some how get through this.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 07:31:23 PM
Gardener Leads Authorities To Teen's Body

SAN DIEGO (AP) - San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis says convicted sex offender John Gardner led authorities to the body of Amber Dubois.

Dumanis says Gardner agreed to lead authorities to the body on the condition that they could not use that information against him in court.

Dumanis says it was a difficult decision, but prosecutors had no other evidence or DNA to link him to the death of Dubois

http://www.keyt.com/news/local/91100374.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 07:33:36 PM
Sex offender admits two slayings, avoids trial

SAN DIEGO – John Gardner, the convicted sex offender from Lake Elsinore, avoided a death sentence by pleading guilty Friday to the slayings of two San Diego County girls.

Gardner waived his right to appeal the convictions and will be sentenced to two consecutive, no-parole prison terms.

His unexpected plea ended speculation over whether he would be charged in the deaths of both Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

Gardner also admitted assaulting another girl in the Rancho Bernardo Community Park in December.

Amber disappeared in February of last year while walking to Escondido High School.

Chelsea disappeared February 25th after going for a run in the Rancho Bernardo park. The 17-year-old Poway girl’s body was found five days later.

http://www.inlandnewstoday.com/story.php?s=13832


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: akmom on April 16, 2010, 07:50:06 PM
God bless the girls and their families.  I am concerned that there may be other victims that we do not know about.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on April 16, 2010, 08:03:46 PM
God bless the girls and their families.  I am concerned that there may be other victims that we do not know about.

I am feeling the same way, and I feel certain their are others.  At least he is locked up for the rest of his life. I am glad they located Amber, and gave the family at least that sence of closure.  If there is ever any closure when you lose a child. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on April 17, 2010, 01:49:11 AM
Video of his plea:

 


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Post by: Bearlyhere on April 17, 2010, 11:03:48 AM


My heart and prayers go out to Amber's family and those who love her.

 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on April 17, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
I saw Carrie last night. She is such an amazing woman! Her strength is unbelievable. In light of everything that she went through yesterday, she greeted me with a smile and a hug. She just started her search and recovery classes. She plows on through all of the horror to do something for others. I also have to say that I have never seen such a loyal core group of friends that have been by her side throughout this entire ordeal. If any of you watched the entire hearing yesterday, you may have seen Gardner looking back several times. Carrie's friends had gotten to the court house super early to ensure their place. There was a sizeable group of them and they mouthed things at him and sent him enough hate to last a lifetime. Amber has brought so many people together. Through this experience I have seen such intense loyalty, absolute strength and an incredible outpouring of love and support. Carrie has also shown me that if you think that you are at rock bottom you do have the strength to pick yourself up and carry on. Amber will be loved and remembered forever and all of her friends and family and supporters are some of the best people I have ever encountered.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 17, 2010, 03:36:38 PM
In the search warrant didn't it say they were looking for a shirt and a sweatshirt? So was he the boy she was seen walking with, if that happened of course?

I wish we could learn of how he got to her. What he said, where he was. Amber went missing in a crowd, or so it seems, we could learn a lot from this.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 17, 2010, 06:56:17 PM
Thank-you for that sebastian, very strong people, I really don't know how these families cope and go forward  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Lovinlife on April 18, 2010, 12:50:19 AM
One of the many, many things that need to be addressed in this case is the phone call from Amber's school to the home phone of Carrie.  If what JG is claiming in his plea is true, we would assume that Amber was murdered before 9:00AM PST.  Carrie did not even know that Amber did not show up at school until that afternoon around 3:00, IIRC.  In this day and age of cell phones, twitter, blackberries, etc. Why is it that my son's school system can send me a text that school is cancelled for a snow day, but only makes a phone call to the home phone of the custodial parent when a child is absent without notification.  This is just one of the areas that need to be changed.

RIP Amber, I hope your family can continue to move forward now that they have some answers of what happened to you and this scum will never hurt another beautiful young woman.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 18, 2010, 01:16:34 AM
In the search warrant didn't it say they were looking for a shirt and a sweatshirt? So was he the boy she was seen walking with, if that happened of course?

I wish we could learn of how he got to her. What he said, where he was. Amber went missing in a crowd, or so it seems, we could learn a lot from this.

Im sorry I can't answer your question and not that I ever could but I have question to ask too, iif you remember a riverside sheriff press release about an attempted abduction from Lake Elsinore involving a man with blonde crew cut hair and a handgun and 1990's four door gold sedan. I wonder if Gardner bleached his hair blonde or dyed it,  I am looking at Gardner now and in his other pics and he has dark brown hair, just wondering, here is the  link to that press release in october 2009,  http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/09301-lak.htm (http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/09301-lak.htm)   I was reading some articles about it, and it just has to be gardner....did gardner gain weight, change hair color, to change his appearance? does gardner have a friend who looks like a tall dark boy...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 18, 2010, 01:24:36 AM
lovinlife you right about the notification system and that absent reminder/truancy message they leave on your phone or voicemail/answering machine. The message should be sent right away, and to a working number, that or just have a school resource officer search for the student, kind of lke an emergency response, maybe someone will come up with a better idea soon.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on April 18, 2010, 07:36:47 AM
Father’s comments broke Gardner case
Moe Dubois’ TV remarks provoked Gardner to talk

Saturday, April 17, 2010 at 11:05 p.m.

It was something Moe Dubois said.

His daughter’s jailed killer heard Dubois’ plea at a news conference and decided to lead authorities to the shallow grave where he had left the girl — 14-year-old Amber — a year earlier.

That detail was one of several that stunned Dubois on Thursday during a hush-hush and hastily called meeting with District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis in which the Escondido teenager’s parents learned that her murder had been solved.

“It was quite surprising to us, the fact that he had a moment of remorse and the fact that the moment of remorse came from something I may have said,” Dubois said Saturday in an interview. “Actually, it scares me that I can connect to someone like that.”

Dumanis told Amber’s parents that John Albert Gardner III, 31, had confessed to raping and killing her in exchange for a deal his lawyers had presented to avoid the death penalty in the murder of fellow teenager Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

Instead, Gardner faces life in prison without a chance of parole or appeal. It’s an outcome the parents of both Chelsea and Amber can accept.

“It was necessary to take him off the streets and put him in a place where you would put a wild animal,” Dubois said. “In a cage.”

Dubois said that prosecutors told him that Gardner had felt remorse after hearing one of Dubois’ pleas for help to find his daughter, and decided to make an offer.

Gardner agreed to take authorities to Amber’s remains in a remote location north of Pala on condition that the information not be used against him.

Dubois said prosecutors accepted that deal, which came as a surprise to him, so that Amber’s family could have some closure and a body to bury — and so that investigators could seek other evidence linking Gardner to the crime. None was ever found, Dumanis said, meaning the only way to connect Gardner to Amber’s death was by a confession, which he gave recently and formalized Friday in court.

Also that day, Dubois pulled out a video of the televised comments that the District Attorney’s Office said had made Gardner remorseful. It was a news conference March 3 after Gardner pleaded not guilty to killing Chelsea.

He said he watched the video twice but does not know which words spurred Gardner to lead authorities to Amber. They found her three days later.

“There was one question specifically that I think personally is what it is, when a reporter asked me how I felt regarding the extra attention on Chelsea’s case in relation to Amber’s case,” Dubois said.

“I noticed in watching me that it took me several seconds to compose myself,” he said. “It was very emotionally a tough question to answer. Any parent is going to say that you want every minute of focus, everyone in the world to stop and find your child, but the reality is it doesn’t work that way.”

Moe Dubois said that he, his girlfriend, Rebecca Smith, and Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, went to the 2 p.m. meeting in Dumanis’ office Thursday thinking prosecutors would say they were charging Gardner in Amber’s death.

Instead, they were floored to hear he had confessed to raping and killing Amber 14 months ago and Chelsea in February and assaulting a college student in December.

Chelsea’s parents, Brent and Kelly King, learned the same information Thursday morning in their own private meeting with Dumanis.

Dubois said Dumanis’ office called him at 9 a.m. Thursday and told him to be at a downtown parking lot a couple of blocks from the District Attorney’s Office in five hours.

He said a deputy district attorney drove up in an unmarked car with tinted windows and took them to a private lot under the courthouse to avoid attention.

After the hourlong meeting, Dubois said, they were walked back to the lot.

Dubois said, “as sick as this sounds,” he’s glad that Gardner gave up Amber’s location.

“Allowing us to have Amber’s body back for burial and for emotional closure is such a big, big thing because where Amber’s body was, we more than likely would never, ever have found her,” he said. “It was so far out of the way.”

On Friday, Gardner admitted to the crimes in open court, in front of the parents of the two girls he killed.

“We had a whole night to mentally prepare ourselves to hear it in court,” Dubois said. “Thankfully, the judge read the statement. I was under the impression that it was going to be read by John Gardner, and that would have been very difficult to hear.”

An hour later, the fathers of the girls whose lives are now linked in death addressed the news media.

Dubois’ words were short and to the point. He thanked the authorities for working diligently on his daughter’s case, “for allowing us to have justice and closure.”

Brent King stood at the lectern longer, characterizing Gardner’s murder of Chelsea as a “despicable, evil act” and saying it was a torturous decision to bless the plea deal that will lock Gardner away but spare his life.

“The Dubois family has been through unthinkable hell the past 14 months,” King said. “We couldn’t imagine the confession to Amber’s murder never seeing the light of day, leaving an eternal question mark.”

Dubois had touched on that uncertainty March 3 in making the statement that perhaps caused Gardner to reach out to prosecutors.

“We are constantly going to keep searching for Amber,” her father said then. “We feel she’s still alive, and we always will feel she’s still alive until we find her and we have her home.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/17/fathers-comments-broke-case/


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 18, 2010, 10:07:26 AM
Thank-you Nut for that article. My continued thoughts for Amber and Chelsea's family  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 18, 2010, 10:08:13 AM
I was so shook up by that article, I meant to say my continued thoughts and prayers  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tracygirl on April 18, 2010, 04:19:44 PM
Someone had posted it was rumored he was the one that lead LE to her because someone saw him.
I liked how the family never gave up hope, never stopped believing she was alive. I bet Amber was very proud of her family for this. I think it shows their true love and support for Amber. 


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Post by: theboyzmom on April 18, 2010, 08:46:31 PM
One of the many, many things that need to be addressed in this case is the phone call from Amber's school to the home phone of Carrie.  If what JG is claiming in his plea is true, we would assume that Amber was murdered before 9:00AM PST.  Carrie did not even know that Amber did not show up at school until that afternoon around 3:00, IIRC.  In this day and age of cell phones, twitter, blackberries, etc. Why is it that my son's school system can send me a text that school is cancelled for a snow day, but only makes a phone call to the home phone of the custodial parent when a child is absent without notification.  This is just one of the areas that need to be changed.

RIP Amber, I hope your family can continue to move forward now that they have some answers of what happened to you and this scum will never hurt another beautiful young woman.

I have a service on my phone through Verizon that texts me when he gets to school - if I do not get the texts then I call. I have never depended on our school - even though it is a small and good district - to keep track of my kids. If they do, great. But it is still my responsibility - one that I take very seriously.


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Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2010, 04:49:28 PM
http://www.morekids.org/default.htm

The More Kids organization was established in 2009, by Maurice Dubois and Rebecca Smith shortly after the abduction and disappearance of Maurice’s 14 year old daughter Amber Dubois. At the time of establishing our organization it was not exactly clear to us in what areas we wanted to focus our attention, but one thing was for sure, it would be to assist families of missing children and to help prevent future children from having to suffer the fate of so many before them. Through our very difficult year we became more and more passionate in specific areas in which we felt we could make the most impact and in ways we could help the ones who need it the most, our missing children. Our organization will focus on four major areas of assistance, victim and family support, community effort coordination, public safety and education, and legislation reform. 
Tel: (800) 921-5214  °  Fax: (714) 276-1303


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Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2010, 01:46:01 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/23201879/detail.html

Gardner Could Face More Charges With New Info
New Information Could Help Find More Victims Of John Gardner


POSTED: 6:19 pm PDT April 19, 2010
UPDATED: 7:14 pm PDT April 19, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- Although he has pleaded guilty to the murders of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois, John Gardner could be facing more charges.

"Now that they have suspect in custody -- a confessed killer -- now it's easier for them to track back where was he staying and was there anybody in that general area that also came up missing," said Kevin LaChappelle, a former investigator.

Last January, Gardner was pulled over and ticketed for expired license tags on his girlfriend's car in Lake Elsinore at a DUI checkpoint.

Three months earlier, someone tried to kidnap a woman at gunpoint. While a sketch was distributed, San Diego County Sheriff's deputies did not connect it to Gardner, a registered sex offender who was listed in the computer database.

When sheriff's deputies arrested Gardner on suspicion of rape and murder, the search was still under way for Chelsea King. Two days after Gardner was arrested, Chelsea's body was found.

Less than a week later, the remains of Amber Dubois were found. Amber's parents suffered through a year of not knowing, but while the finding of her body was a crushing blow, now they know.

Gardner was sentenced to live in prison without parole, but there's still good reason to close every case possible.

Another family may still be searching for answers or a woman could be living in fear of the man who attacked her.

Some of the case files may be opened to the public after a hearing on Thursday, which could lead to more questions. The file will stay open if new information leads to additional charges.

"Many people think [Gardner is] being locked up for a number of life sentences...but families need closure, if there are any other victims," said LaChappelle.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 20, 2010, 03:54:26 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Chelsea-King-and-Amber-Dubois-may-not-have-been-John-Gardners-only-victims-says-family-video (http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Chelsea-King-and-Amber-Dubois-may-not-have-been-John-Gardners-only-victims-says-family-video)

Chelsea King and Amber Dubois may not have been John Gardner’s only victims, says family (video)

Posted: April 20, 12:41 AM from Crime -- Examiner--- Cindy Adams

The family of convicted sex offender John Gardner believes he not only killed Chelsea King, 17, and Amber Dubois, 14, but may have harmed others as well.

Last week Gardner pleaded guilty to killing the two teen girls and his relatives are now asking him to “come clean” about any other victims, according to KFMB.

To see photos surrounding Chelsea's case, click here. http://www.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryID=1051961

To see photos of Amber, click here. http://www.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryID=1051961

Gardner’s family members say they don’t have proof he committed other offenses, however, they have a “gut feeling” regarding his behavior.

Two of his relatives spoke to KFMB on the condition of anonymity and one said “I know there was this dark side to him. I know his anger/temper side. I didn’t see it a lot, but when it came up it was scary. When I saw him angry it made me afraid.”

Another family member, who worked with Gardner last summer, claims he would disappear for days on end. “There were just odd things that would occur, he’d show up at the house wearing pants only. No shoes, no shirt and drenched in sweat, like wondering what’s going on,” said the relative.

KFMB notes that due to a gag order in the case, authorities are unable to announce if Gardner is the focus of any other investigations.


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Post by: labubske on April 20, 2010, 11:39:35 PM
I have made a list of missing in and around that area...as well as sexual assaults.  I noticed A LOT of sexual assaults on Broadway in Escondido...and seemed to run two a day at times...I am not finished looking but I will post it when I am finished.


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Post by: MuffyBee on April 21, 2010, 10:13:38 AM
I have made a list of missing in and around that area...as well as sexual assaults.  I noticed A LOT of sexual assaults on Broadway in Escondido...and seemed to run two a day at times...I am not finished looking but I will post it when I am finished.


BBM
Thank you labubske, your research and efforts are appreciated.    It's just very, very sad the list sounds like it's going to be long ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


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Post by: Tracygirl on April 21, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
I wonder why there is still a gag order? He admitted to killing amber and chelsea, why the need for a gag order at this point?
There will be more victims, I have no doubt. I pray to God they get it all out of him. The families need closure that is forsure but you know the other victims need justice. They need to have their stories told. 


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Post by: Tracygirl on April 21, 2010, 02:48:26 PM


Aww now I understand why the gag order is still in effect! Thanks Nutt for posting this on Chelseas thread. I can understand their need for privacy, however the details will help the public understand why violent preditors should be kept locked away, people will udnerstand what they are capible of. But you know if this was my daughter I would want it private as well. Prayes for the families, this must be a horrible time for them and some terrible decisions must be made.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Slain teen's family wants case details kept secret
The Associated Press

Updated: 04/20/2010 01:20:26 PM PDT

SAN DIEGO—The parents of 17-year-old Chelsea King who was raped and killed by a sex offender say they have hired an attorney to help keep certain case documents secret. Family spokeswoman Sara Muller said Tuesday the action was in response to efforts by the media to obtain records.

The Associated Press and other media have asked the San Diego County Superior Court to lift a gag order barring authorities from discussing the evidence and release records related to search warrants. Chelsea's parents say they want the records sealed to preserve her dignity.

John Gardner pleaded guilty Friday to the murders of Chelsea and 14-year-old Amber Dubois. Chelsea disappeared in February. Her body was found days later. Amber's remains were found in March, more than a year after she disappeared.

http://**/breaking-news/ci_14921799
 


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Post by: klaasend on April 22, 2010, 04:29:03 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/23231422/detail.html

Judge To Consider Lifting Gag Order In Dubois, King Cases

POSTED: 7:37 am PDT April 22, 2010
UPDATED: 7:44 am PDT April 22, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- A San Diego judge Thursday will consider lifting a gag order in the case of a convicted sex offender who admitted raping and killing 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

John Albert Gardner III, 31, pleaded guilty Friday to the rapes and murders of Chelsea, a Poway High senior, and Amber, an Escondido High School freshman.

Attorneys for Chelsea's parents asked San Diego Superior Court Judge David Danielsen on Tuesday for an order to stop the news media from making information contained in court documents about the killings public. Danielsen met privately with attorneys involved in the case, then scheduled a hearing on the issue for Thursday.
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According to the King family, attorney Pat Swan will "advocate for suppression of certain documents under victims' rights statutes.

"This action has become necessary in response by some media outlets to obtain the release of all records related to Chelsea's death, which runs counter to the King's family's wishes to honor their daughter's memory, and to allow the community to heal," the Kings stated.

Gardner attacked, raped and killed Chelsea, who disappeared after going for a run Feb. 25 at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The avid runner and straight-A student's body was found March 2 in a shallow grave near a tributary of nearby Lake Hodges -- not far from Gardner's mother's home.

Gardner admitted attacking King while she was jogging, taking her to a remote area where he raped and strangled her and buried her in a shallow grave.

He also admitted killing Amber Dubois, who vanished Feb. 13, 2009, while walking to Escondido High School. Her skeletal remains were found March 6 in Pala based on what Gardner told authorities.


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Post by: klaasend on April 22, 2010, 04:31:24 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Warrants-Sealed-for-Now-91831384.html

Search Warrants Sealed for Now
By PAUL KRUEGER
Updated 11:01 AM PDT, Thu, Apr 22, 2010

Search warrants in connection with the rape and murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King will stay sealed until Monday, a judge ruled Thursday.

John Albert Gardner III will be sentenced for the murders of 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois on June 1 after accepting a plea agreement that removed the possibility of a death sentence for the crimes.

NBC San Diego and other media outlets have filed documents requesting the San Diego County Superior Court lift a gag order barring authorities from discussing the evidence and release records related to search warrants.

In a hearing Thursday, Judge Peter Deddeh heard arguments from attorneys representing the media as well as prosecutors, the Kings' attorneys and lawyers representing the parents of Amber Dubois.





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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 22, 2010, 05:22:02 PM
I have made a list of missing in and around that area...as well as sexual assaults.  I noticed A LOT of sexual assaults on Broadway in Escondido...and seemed to run two a day at times...I am not finished looking but I will post it when I am finished.


BBM
Thank you labubske, your research and efforts are appreciated.    It's just very, very sad the list sounds like it's going to be long ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

are you using that neighborhood crime alert Labubske? I guess there are other ways at going about it, but I am scared. I had a bad dream about gardner last night, he must be a very scary person because I dreamt he was dead and being a ghost he was coming after me with a weapon for vengeance, maybe it is better they not give him the death sentence, just my opinion, you can kill a murderer but you can't take kill the spirit of a murderer... if that makes any sense... I probably shouldn't have posted my nightmare but im sure it will be deleted as it should, sorry in advance.


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Post by: Edward on April 22, 2010, 06:13:39 PM
Carma
A Buddhist might believe that he will be reborn as a victim of the same crime he committed to others in a previous life.
A learning experience and as many lives as it takes for a soul to learn.

The world is full of Sheep, Wolves and Eagles.
Take your pick as to which one you wish to be in this life..  ::MonkeyWink::




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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 22, 2010, 07:04:10 PM
i dont want to believe in karma or reincarnation, but I think that the world is full of sheep, wolves, and eagles, not physically, but in a certain aspect other than in nature or a zoo.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on April 22, 2010, 07:05:56 PM
Judge lifts gag order in Chelsea King, Amber Dubois murder cases
April 22, 2010

A San Diego judge Thursday lifted a gag order in the case of a convicted sex offender who admitted raping and killing 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

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http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-04-22/local-county-news/crime/judge-lifts-gag-order-in-chelsea-king-amber-dubois-murder-cases


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 22, 2010, 07:06:01 PM
sounds like a trick question, Edward, maybe I should have taken philosophy in high school, maybe someone in here has.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 22, 2010, 07:08:25 PM
Judge lifts gag order in Chelsea King, Amber Dubois murder cases
April 22, 2010

A San Diego judge Thursday lifted a gag order in the case of a convicted sex offender who admitted raping and killing 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

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http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-04-22/local-county-news/crime/judge-lifts-gag-order-in-chelsea-king-amber-dubois-murder-cases

thanks Nut


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Post by: Edward on April 22, 2010, 07:13:40 PM
sounds like a trick question, Edward, maybe I should have taken philosophy in high school, maybe someone in here has.

Hang in there kiddo.. dream nice dreams. the bad guy ain't comming back.. never.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 22, 2010, 07:59:00 PM
Youre right Edward, im not scared though that was just a dream, unfortunately for chelsea's brother it was not, I can't imagine what chelsea's brother is going through, he is so young and has so much to learn.  I hope he is able to go back to school full-time and go back to playing baseball, he must be feeling all sorts of different negative emotions and it must be difficult to focus on anything. I believe he has a  strong-willed personality like his sister who is also a good role model---a good leader, I think that is what Chelsea's Light is for, all of this news about Gardner must be draining to both amber's family and chelsea's family. We all know gardner is not coming back, maybe there is too much focus on the gardner's arrest  and less on the victims' and the lives they led and how they are being affected by all of this by having to speak to the media, the judge, and listen to gardner and his lawyers, I guess I am now beginning to realize why there was a gag order. If it were me I would not talk to anyone and just have my lawyer do it everything for me. These people being chelsea's and amber's parents are much braver and doing so much good by going out there and doing something to keep sex offenders off the streets and find missing people.


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Post by: labubske on April 23, 2010, 01:32:55 AM
I have made a list of missing in and around that area...as well as sexual assaults.  I noticed A LOT of sexual assaults on Broadway in Escondido...and seemed to run two a day at times...I am not finished looking but I will post it when I am finished.


BBM
Thank you labubske, your research and efforts are appreciated.    It's just very, very sad the list sounds like it's going to be long ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

are you using that neighborhood crime alert Labubske? I guess there are other ways at going about it, but I am scared. I had a bad dream about gardner last night, he must be a very scary person because I dreamt he was dead and being a ghost he was coming after me with a weapon for vengeance, maybe it is better they not give him the death sentence, just my opinion, you can kill a murderer but you can't take kill the spirit of a murderer... if that makes any sense... I probably shouldn't have posted my nightmare but im sure it will be deleted as it should, sorry in advance.

Sorry, I haven't been able to get on much in the last few days...I am in my last two weeks of school and I have so much going on.  Here is the site that I am using (well the main one right now)...http://mapping.arjis.org/  It shows all of the crimes...you choose the county, date, type of crime and so on...very nice...lays out a map...so, I have been going through the surrounding areas....and looking at his ticket locations and times as well.  Regarding the nightmare...I'm sure that was scary.  Those kind of dreams tend to stick for awhile...hope you are able to shake it off soon.  Reading the forum daily I am sure wears on us.  Sometimes...you have to take a break...especially if it begins to affect you beyond the "normal" ways that it should.  Not saying it is...I have had to step back at times and do something to take my mind off of this for awhile.


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Post by: sebastian on April 23, 2010, 11:16:23 PM
It is driving me crazy how Gardner was able to get Amber into a vehicle without a huge fight and not one person noticing a thing. I almost hate to say this, but I wonder if he had an accomplice? I am sure his ONLY motivation for giving up Amber's location was for his own selfish purposes, to avoid the death penalty. I cannot see him having any sort of loyalty to anyone, including an accomplice, but on the other hand, I can see him withholding information just because it would give him an edge in his twisted, sick brain.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 24, 2010, 05:06:22 PM
maybe we're not supposed to know how he did it because then kids or people will generalize what a sex offender is, what their m.o. is... just stay far away from strangers or anyone who appears to be a threat or of help , no matter how friendly and charming , or vicious they may seem...

...carrying a cell phone at all times whether it is dead or alive is your best weapon or carry one that works and one that doesn't

i learned that yesterday when a group of teenagers were trying to play a trick on me, and they saw I took my phone out of my pocket, they thought I was going to call the cops, I didn't even have to say a word to them to tell them to go away..just a few things you all probably know by now about how to protect yourself



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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 24, 2010, 05:10:06 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12366859

Gardner gag order is lifted, but no one is talking

Posted: Apr 23, 2010 5:42 PM PDT
Updated: Apr 24, 2010 10:10 AM PDT


SAN DIEGO, Calif. (CBS 8) - The gag order in the John Gardner trial has been lifted, but documents about the murder of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois remain sealed. That's because there's a question about whether the public's right to know outweighs the victims' right to privacy.

News 8 has learned four out of 10 search warrants could be released on Monday, but autopsy reports are routinely sealed until sentencing. And even then, there could be another big legal challenge over releasing it.

In a battle over Marsy's Law and freedom of the press, records in the Chelsea King and Amber Dubois murder cases remain sealed, despite a judge lifting a gag order.

"I see a major legal challenge because Marsy's Law gives certain privacy rights to the victims and the families of victims of crimes, and that's going to be balanced against the public's right to know," News 8 legal analyst Bill Nimmo said.

Citing Marsy's Law, or the Victim's Bill of Rights, which protects privacy of crime victims, the King family fought to block the media from making photos and details about the killings public.

Judge David Danielson couldn't order the case files unsealed, so the decision to release records must come from the sheriff's department, Escondido police and the medical examiner's office.

News 8 has submitted records requests with each agency, but so far no one is talking and nothing is being released.


"The amount of information that would be available would be massive," Nimmo said. "Toxicology reports could be instructive if there's some hint that these ladies were drugged in some way."

Nimmo says these documents could provide valuable insight into John Gardner's method of operation, and specifically how he was able to abduct both teens.

"Each of these incidents that have happened and thousands of other ones are all very instructive on how you should construct yourself to avoid harm," Nimmo said.

News 8 has no interest in obtaining autopsy photos, and does not intend to abuse the information, but we are interested in understanding how these crimes occurred, why they happened, how law enforcement reacted in both investigation, how the legal system prosecuted each case and what the community can learn from this tragedy.

"The United States Supreme Court and many courts have ruled that it's important for society to have full and complete reports of crime. That's the only way society can counteract crime," media attorney Guylyn Cummins said.

The district attorney and the sheriff's department says it will honor the families' wishes by not discussing either case with the media.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on April 24, 2010, 07:19:13 PM
It is driving me crazy how Gardner was able to get Amber into a vehicle without a huge fight and not one person noticing a thing. I almost hate to say this, but I wonder if he had an accomplice? I am sure his ONLY motivation for giving up Amber's location was for his own selfish purposes, to avoid the death penalty. I cannot see him having any sort of loyalty to anyone, including an accomplice, but on the other hand, I can see him withholding information just because it would give him an edge in his twisted, sick brain.


 If he had an accomplice which i think is possible because he was hanging out with another sex offenders (whitehair) probably also during his parole, he could be holding back information about an accomplice so he doesn't get beat up in prison if he gets stuck with him as a cell mate,'

 then again Gardner is a big strong man and looks like he can take care of himself

Gardner has said so himself in the letter to his ex-girlfriend that he is a shy guy who got picked on a lot when he was a kid.

 maybe he doesn't like to get picked on so he thinks he is protecting himself that way by covering for his friend.

I personally think Gardner has no real friends but then again it seems like he is a social drinker, he smoked weed with another s.o. you could be right maybe he does  have a friend who likes young girls and went and tried to picking up girls using his friends' or friend's car(s).


Fixed as requested.  BH


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 24, 2010, 07:21:37 PM
delete "to" from maybe he does have a friend who likes young girls and went and tried picking up young girls using his friends' or friend's car(s)


Done BH


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Post by: sebastian on April 24, 2010, 10:24:24 PM
delete "to" from maybe he does have a friend who likes young girls and went and tried picking up young girls using his friends' or friend's car(s)


Done BH

Perhaps he did not kill Amber at all but knew who did. After he got nailed for the horrendous murder of Chelsea, he decided to take the fall in order to get the death penalty off of the table. I just cannot fathom how he got Amber into his car all by himself without being seen. Amber was a very very smart girl. The only possibility in my mind is he came up to her from behind and she did not hear him as she had her headphones on. I know walkers and joggers like to wear head phones, but in light of all of the sickos out there, I don't think it is a good idea at all! It bothers the heck out of my that Gardner was already caught once with another sex offender. How many others may he have hung out with?


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Post by: labubske on April 25, 2010, 01:14:58 AM
delete "to" from maybe he does have a friend who likes young girls and went and tried picking up young girls using his friends' or friend's car(s)


Done BH

Perhaps he did not kill Amber at all but knew who did. After he got nailed for the horrendous murder of Chelsea, he decided to take the fall in order to get the death penalty off of the table. I just cannot fathom how he got Amber into his car all by himself without being seen. Amber was a very very smart girl. The only possibility in my mind is he came up to her from behind and she did not hear him as she had her headphones on. I know walkers and joggers like to wear head phones, but in light of all of the sickos out there, I don't think it is a good idea at all! It bothers the heck out of my that Gardner was already caught once with another sex offender. How many others may he have hung out with?

I have mixed feelings about this.  I have worked with criminal offenders for years and I have heard many of their "tricks" such as if you already have a lot against you and you will be in there for life (or death) anyhow then they will go ahead and "admit" to committing a certain crime.  In this case, it ensured that he would not receive the death penalty for this case.  The guy on the outside will more than likely keep him fed from the "canteen."  It is a possibility being that he hung out with at least one/two SO...I would be monitoring his mail and whoever deposits money. He denied, denied, denied the last known attack...that sent him to prison the first time...he would not admit it for anything...so to me it is pretty interesting that he decided to admit to this instead of trying to find a way out...with the first victim (that we know of) there was strong evidence...though, there wasn't a murder...but still he did not plead guilty.  So, either he KNOWS that they have so much evidence (physical) that there is no way out...or he is taking the blame...which essentially gave him a better deal.  OR...did he have a sudden sense of remorse?  I am very mixed about this right now.  When I first heard about it this guilty plea, regarding Amber, I had an uneasy feeling that he did not do it.  I cannot explain why.  Maybe because I have not followed the case for the last year or possibly read information that actually wasn't correct (like reports of her walking with a dark skin thin man).   But, overall I am confident that the police would question him enough to get answers that only the killer could know (even if the killer relays information him)...still only the killer would know...and they physically put him with her or her in his vehicle and so on...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on April 25, 2010, 12:29:49 PM
He buried his victims in a shallow grave. That is a sign of remorse or guilt after the fact. If there were two men, with the remote location of the kill site, they would not have buried the body. They would not have cared about hiding the victim.

I seems he is the type who kills and has a cooling off period (about one year), then kills again. Aren't those signs of a budding serial killer?


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Post by: sebastian on April 25, 2010, 12:39:33 PM
He buried his victims in a shallow grave. That is a sign of remorse or guilt after the fact. If there were two men, with the remote location of the kill site, they would not have buried the body. They would not have cared about hiding the victim.

I seems he is the type who kills and has a cooling off period (about one year), then kills again. Aren't those signs of a budding serial killer?

I am waiting to see what they do and do not release in the press regarding this case. There is something very troubling that does not add up for me regarding Gardner having done this crime. If and when I get the go ahead, I will post. The other thing that has always bothered me is the AA meeting near the school at 7 am. Since Gardner was seen in Jesmond Dene park I cannot help but wonder if he attented those meetings. I also wonder if perhaps he met other sex offenders in those same meetings. He was drinking when he murdered Chelsea and from what I have heard, he was a big drinker.


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Post by: sebastian on April 25, 2010, 12:40:13 PM
My name is Amber Dubois
Please
don’t cry sad tears for me.

All of you here and my family I
am looking down from heaven up above Waiting till we meet
again, yet watching you with love.

I had so much to offer, so
much more to give I was denied the chance for this, long
life not mine to live.

For animals I came to ...help, or so
it was I thought.

My purpose now is different than one I ever
sought. I know that you are sad and you don’t understand But
take my word and rest assured that I am in good hands.

Amber
Dubois, was my name and it will always be,

When you think of
all your children, please remember me...


Written by Carrie
McGonigle in the memorial program


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on April 25, 2010, 12:53:33 PM
delete "to" from maybe he does have a friend who likes young girls and went and tried picking up young girls using his friends' or friend's car(s)


Done BH

Perhaps he did not kill Amber at all but knew who did. After he got nailed for the horrendous murder of Chelsea, he decided to take the fall in order to get the death penalty off of the table. I just cannot fathom how he got Amber into his car all by himself without being seen. Amber was a very very smart girl. The only possibility in my mind is he came up to her from behind and she did not hear him as she had her headphones on. I know walkers and joggers like to wear head phones, but in light of all of the sickos out there, I don't think it is a good idea at all! It bothers the heck out of my that Gardner was already caught once with another sex offender. How many others may he have hung out with?

I have mixed feelings about this.  I have worked with criminal offenders for years and I have heard many of their "tricks" such as if you already have a lot against you and you will be in there for life (or death) anyhow then they will go ahead and "admit" to committing a certain crime.  In this case, it ensured that he would not receive the death penalty for this case.  The guy on the outside will more than likely keep him fed from the "canteen."  It is a possibility being that he hung out with at least one/two SO...I would be monitoring his mail and whoever deposits money. He denied, denied, denied the last known attack...that sent him to prison the first time...he would not admit it for anything...so to me it is pretty interesting that he decided to admit to this instead of trying to find a way out...with the first victim (that we know of) there was strong evidence...though, there wasn't a murder...but still he did not plead guilty.  So, either he KNOWS that they have so much evidence (physical) that there is no way out...or he is taking the blame...which essentially gave him a better deal.  OR...did he have a sudden sense of remorse?  I am very mixed about this right now.  When I first heard about it this guilty plea, regarding Amber, I had an uneasy feeling that he did not do it.  I cannot explain why.  Maybe because I have not followed the case for the last year or possibly read information that actually wasn't correct (like reports of her walking with a dark skin thin man).   But, overall I am confident that the police would question him enough to get answers that only the killer could know (even if the killer relays information him)...still only the killer would know...and they physically put him with her or her in his vehicle and so on...

There are many things that do not add up for me. One of the things that really bothers me is the fact that he admitted to it. If you watched the press conference with Bonnie Dumanis, the District Attorney, she made it clear that they did not have ANYTHING to tie Gardner to Amber. Apparently they found many things to tie him to Chelsea, but nothing to Amber. I realize that 14 months had gone by, but still. NOTHING? Not a hair, fiber, her cell phone, back pack, the contents of her backpack, NOTHING? He may also be one hell of an actor. If you watched his face during the sentencing, he gave a blank stare when they read his crimes against Chelsea and the jogger in December. When they read his crimes against Amber, he actually showed a bit of emotion. A BIT. But it was enough to get noticed by others, not just myself. Was this what he wanted us to see? Showing a tad bit of remorse so he can convince others that he did do the crime and actually felt remorse about it? After all, he said that it was Moe's plea that made him come forward with regards to Amber. What about Moe and Carrie's pleas throughout their 14 month hell? Why did he not come forward during all of that time? While he was a free man?


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Post by: sebastian on April 25, 2010, 12:59:00 PM
This MAY BE entirely off the subject, but has anyone ever been able to find anything on Gardner's step-father, Kevin? Isn't he supposed to be a Ph.d? I Ph.d in what? He comes from a family of extremely well educated people and he does geneology photography? Why would someone with a Ph.d do that for a living?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on April 25, 2010, 01:19:49 PM
I have a question for anyone out there who may have a legal background. Let's just say that Gardner knew he was going to get the death penalty with regards to Chelsea. He participated or had full knowledge of what happened to Amber based on hearing it first hand from the perp. He tells his attorneys this. Are his Attorneys than legally responsible to pass that information along to the powers to be? That there is a second perp? Or can they conceal that based on Attorney client privilege?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on April 25, 2010, 01:28:54 PM
The Escondido police have so far refused to say exactly where they were searching for the cell phone ping.
If he was hanging around with another person with the same interests, that person could live where the cell phone pinged.

Crimes in the area is always something I look at and in this case of missing Amber I did do that and all crimes noted are listed in the beginning of our researsch. For instance One fellow pointed a fake gun at a girl and that girl got into his car without a fight.. he was a suspect but later I dropped him..

One crime that did not make sense was the kidnap and murder of the lady in redondo beach.
Her body was placed in an area associated with Gardner when he grew up.
The distance from redondo beach to this area and the reasoning of the culprit they have in custody makes no sense..
I am wondering who Gardner was in jail with and how can we find out if any of his buddies from prison were released and where they live..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 25, 2010, 04:22:45 PM
REGION: Slain girl's mom asks: Why Amber?
Carrie McGonigle has questions for her daughter's admitted killer

Posted: April 24, 2010 8:03 pm | (14) Comments 

Why Amber?

Her mother wants to know.

If Carrie McGonigle could talk to the man who admitted he abducted, raped and killed her daughter on Feb. 13, 2009, that would be her first question.

Why, John Albert Gardner III, did you choose Amber Dubois?

More questions would follow.

Were you watching my 14-year-old daughter? For how long? Just that drizzly Friday morning? Or had you spotted her, fixated on her, before the day you took her?

Did you make contact with Amber in the days or weeks before you did what you did to her? Talk to her or nod hello as she made her way down the street as she usually did at 7 a.m., as she walked to Escondido High School?

What did you say to my daughter, John Gardner?

And how did you get her into your vehicle? Trick her? Threaten her? Grab her and throw her in?

What did you do with her backpack, her cell phone? Was that you who called it long enough to check voicemail the day after you killed her?

Why, as you stood handcuffed and shackled in front of a judge to plead guilty, why did you look right at me for a few long seconds? How did you know who I was?

Waiting for details

In her first at-length interview since Gardner's guilty plea on April 16, Amber's mother said last week she doesn't think he has given those sorts of details to authorities. She hopes he will.

"I just want to know," McGonigle said.

Gardner, 31, admitted raping and killing Amber on Feb. 13, 2009, and raping and killing Poway resident Chelsea King, 17. Chelsea was out for a run on a trail near Lake Hodges on Feb. 25 when he grabbed her and dragged her to a remote spot.

Gardner's plea deal spares him from execution; he will be formally sentenced to life in prison without parole on June 1.

Gardner confessed and led investigators to Amber's earthen grave. But he won assurances that authorities would not use that as evidence to execute him.

Authorities said DNA tied him to Chelsea, but they could find nothing tying him to Amber, save the confession. The only way to get justice for Amber was to take a deal that took the death penalty off the table, San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis said.

To protect their investigation, authorities did not tell Amber's parents what led them to find her remains until after the life-or-death deal was in place.

McGonigle and Amber's father, Moe Dubois, buried their daughter on March 26 without knowing how she had been found or how she had died.

A year of searching

Gardner's crime touched off a cruel year for McGonigle.

She believed deeply that her daughter was alive and waiting to be rescued.

Over the next year, McGonigle searched often and slept little. From prowling the Internet to peering with a flashlight into darkened cars, the blue-eyed woman with long auburn hair looked for clues.

Escondido police characterized Amber as a missing person: maybe she'd been abducted, maybe she was a runaway.

But to McGonigle, this was clearly a kidnapping. There was no way that Amber, a shy, book-loving teen who had joined her high school's Future Farmers of America group, would have run away.

On the day she disappeared, Amber was headed to school with a $200 check in hand to adopt a lamb through the group. Amber had been giddy about the lamb, and had already picked out a name: Nanette.

As police investigated, McGonigle looked up all the registered sex offenders in Escondido ---- including Gardner ---- and poked around the outside of their homes. She found nothing.

McGonigle quickly learned all she could about the search for missing children. She also joined searches for other missing kids.

In the year Amber was gone, McGonigle knew the search for missing children would define her future.

Her first step was to put together four days of classes designed to teach search and rescue techniques to volunteers.

The initial class was April 15. On that same day, she would learn that Gardner had led authorities to her daughter's remains, and had agreed to plead guilty to raping and stabbing her within 90 minutes of coming into contact with her.

Burdened with secret information that had come like "a punch in the gut," McGonigle still attended and spoke at the class that night.

She went to the search and rescue class the next morning, too ---- and then left early to watch Gardner admit to a judge that he had killed Amber and Chelsea.

The media comes into play

Amber's parents said authorities told them Gardner revealed Amber's gravesite based on something the slain girl's father said at a press conference an hour after prosecutors charged Gardner with Chelsea's rape and murder.

Moe Dubois said he doesn't know what he said to trigger the confession, or how Gardner saw footage of his statements. Nor does McGonigle.

"Why then?" she said. "He had to have seen us on TV pleading and begging for information all year. Why when he was in jail did he suddenly have a guilty conscious? Was it just that he was sober because he was incarcerated?"

"Do I give him credit? No," she said. "He gave us Amber only because he got caught."

Does she hate him?

"Hate is such a strong word," McGonigle said. "I was raised never to hate anybody. I raised my daughters the same way.

"But I think even my mother would change her mind about it (hate) when it comes to him."

McGonigle worries about losing a court battle last week to keep much of the investigative details about the rapes and murders sealed from public view.

"I think it's wrong that Chelsea's autopsy report will be public," McGonigle said. "She has a little brother (Tyler King is 13). A minor was raped and killed, and the details should not be made public."

Amber's remains were skeletal, thus her autopsy likely won't contain as much detail as Chelsea's. But like Chelsea, Amber has a younger sibling: Allison, 6.

"I think any media that prints it (the autopsy reports) is just wrong."

At last, peace

Amber's mother said she has a sense of peace now. She is grieving, of course, but gone is the anxiety that plagued her when she spent her days convinced that Amber was waiting for rescue.

She is struck by and grateful for the community support she has seen since Amber's disappearance. And she is excited by a recent push by local radio personalities to send birthday cards to Amber's little sister, Allison, who will be 7 on May 6.

McGonigle said Allison will be thrilled to get the surprise stacks of cards. (Cards can be sent to her father's workplace, at 1101 W. San Marcos Blvd., San Marcos, CA 92078.)

McGonigle misses Amber desperately. But now she can concentrate more fully on watching Allison earn her next belt in karate class. She can cheer as she watches the little girl with red hair and her sister's crystal-blue eyes hit a Wiffle ball and run the bases.

And she can smile as she remembers Amber's "funny walk," sort of a loping gait.

McGonigle plans to play a video with images of Amber when she speaks at Gardner's sentencing hearing. The song is already picked out, and even downloaded to her cell phone.

She wonders: Will Gardner watch the video as it plays in the courtroom? Will he listen to the words and see the sorrow in her eyes?

"It's my one chance," McGonigle said. "Maybe he will tell us what happened."


http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_d88cb456-2128-55e9-b4f4-c4bc7f06aa50.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on April 25, 2010, 07:26:23 PM
We also had one guy who was arrested for attempted kidnap who lived with his g/f close to where amber was found.
We also had one guy who was living in a trailer park but moved out and that was close the where amber was found.

yes .. he could admit to a crime and have his commissary full during his time in prison.
The big rule in prison is to keep your mouth shut and never implicate others. being quiet gets you pleasures and talking gets you hurt by others.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on April 26, 2010, 02:50:46 AM

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Re: Chelsea King, 17, Msg. 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND) #2
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I really don't have the time to finish this right now...but wanted to show some of my progress.  I graduate SATURDAY...and I will have more time then.  Here is the link to a quick map that I made of sex crimes (only) reported around the area.

http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=33.130976&lon=-116.911273&zoom=11&q1=400%20N%20Twin%20Oaks%20Valley%20San%20Marcos%2C%20Ca&q2=200%20Richland%20Rd%20San%20Marcos%2C%20Ca&q3=18448%20W%20Bernardo%20Dr%20San%20Diego%2C%20CA%2092127&gid3=38891760&q4=16400%20West%20Bernardo%20Dr%20San%20Diego%2C%20ca&q5=3800%20mission%20ave%20oceanside%2C%20ca&q6=25400%20lake%20wohlford%20rd%20escondido%2C%20ca&q7=19000%20lake%20dr%20escondido%2C%20ca

A.  Is 2/25/2010 @ 3:11pm
B.  Is 2/25/2010 @ 3:30pm (these two addresses are 5 minutes apart).
C.  Rancho Bernardo Park (13 minutes from B) 2/25/2010 Where Chelsea was at.
D.  2/26/2010 @ 9:35am
E.  2/27/2010 @ 9:00pm (Oceanside)
F.  2/28/2010 @ 1:15pm
G.  Where he was arrested around 4:30pm on the 28th.

I didn't include on Feb. 22, 2010 a sex crime took place very close to Escondido High School.  Also, interesting is the date and place that he received a ticket for speeding (Bonsall) there was a sex crime on 6/12/2010 at 12:01am...30000 old hwy 395--right off of 15. I am not certain of this system, in regards to the reported crimes...they are listed as incidents (not arrests) so I am assuming that these reports are not arrests.  Meaning they may not have a suspect...but, it seems if JAG were committing lots of rapes then more women would be speaking up.  Another thing a sex crime does not mean a rape took place...possibly an attempt...indecent exposure and so on.  It is interesting to look at this system and try and match up incidents with places that we know that he was at.  I truly believe that there are more victims.  Here is the link if anyone wants to use it.  http://mapping.arjis.org


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on April 26, 2010, 11:22:37 AM
SAN DIEGO, Calif. - (CBS 8) John Albert Gardner, III, confessed killer of teenagers Amber Dubois and Chelsea King, has issued a public apology to the families of his victims for the horrific rapes and murders he committed.

Gardner's first public statement since the murders was given to News 8 by a source who asked not to be identified by name. The statement also includes important new information in the case.

The statement reads:

"I'm sorry. I wish I could take it back. I know that it doesn't mean anything to anybody but I really am sorry for everything. I wish that I was able to get help when I tried to get help. I tried to seek out help and was not able to get any."

The source also tells News 8, days before the murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King, Gardner tried to admit himself into a mental hospital but was denied.

News 8 has been unable to confirm whether Gardner actually tried to enter a mental hospital. He was a registered sex offender in Riverside County at the time.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, declined through a spokesperson to comment on Gardner's apology.

On his attorney's advice, the father of Gardner's other victim, 14-year-old Amber Dubois, also declined to respond.

Amber's mother did offer a short response.  "To me it's just words. There's no meaning behind it," said Carrie McGonigle. "It doesn't bring Chelsea or Amber home or back to us."



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on April 26, 2010, 12:24:05 PM
Have the prosicuter ask him to tell Carrie where Ambers personal items are located..
Cell phone..Back Pack and other items.
If he is in one of those moods he may tell.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on April 26, 2010, 07:30:16 PM
His words sound a lot like something his mother would make him say. Perhaps, he is hoping to get sent to a mental facility prison.

Somehow I would think with the medical background his mother has and the PhD his step dad has, that they would be able to pull some strings and have her son committed. Wouldn't ya think that a health professional would know the loop holes?

Did this reporter ask him what he did with Amber's personal belongings? Did the report ask him why he had to kill his victims? Did the reporter ask why he didn't turn himself in After Amber? Did the reporter ask him if he has any other victims?

I see 15 minutes in this guy's future and a groupie following.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 26, 2010, 11:38:04 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6976969.html
Warrants suggest Calif killer followed 11-year-old
April 26, 2010

 EL CAJON, Calif. — An 11-year-old girl told police a man followed her home from school the day before registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III raped and murdered a 17-year-old girl in a nearby park, according to search warrants unsealed Monday.

The documents also said two women joggers were convinced they had encountered Gardner on the afternoon of Feb. 25, the day he attacked and killed Chelsea King when she went for a run in the park.

One woman said she was convinced a man she briefly spoke with about coyotes and snakes was Gardner.

Investigators linked Gardner to King's murder through semen found on her underwear, according to the search warrants unsealed in response to a request by The Associated Press and other news organizations.

King's body was discovered in a shallow lakeside grave five days after she vanished.

The warrants said authorities seized 11 shovels, three pickaxes and other digging tools from Gardner's home in Lake Elsinore along with a "Hard Rock Cafe Baghdad" T-shirt and other clothing.

They also found a tool case with black electrical and duct tape in a storage unit in suburban Escondido; black duct tape and a fast-food receipt from Feb. 25 in his girlfriend's car; and several "Hard Rock Cafe" shirts and a shovel at his mother's home in San Diego.

Gardner, 31, pleaded guilty April 16 to raping and murdering King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who was abducted while walking to school in Escondido in February 2009.

Gardner had served five years of a six-year prison sentence for molesting a 13-year-old San Diego neighbor in 2000.

The search warrants said the 11-year-old girl told San Diego police on Feb. 24 that a man in a black car slowly drove by and parked as she walked home alone from school in the Rancho Bernardo area. The driver made no effort to speak with her.

A woman then pulled up beside the girl, told her the man looked suspicious, and offered to follow her two blocks to her house. The man then made a U-turn and drove away.

The girl told a family member the man had stared at her before pulling forward, and that she later recognized Gardner from a photo published after his arrest in the death of King.

Investigators then asked her to identify the man from among six photos. She picked two of the pictures, and one was Gardner, according to the documents.

One of the women joggers told investigators she spoke with a man in a "Hard Rock Cafe" T-shirt who was drinking beer and smoking a cigarette when she went for an afternoon run on the day King was attacked.

After Gardner's arrest, she told authorities she was positive he was the man she saw along the running trail.

"The person told her to watch out for the snake and she noticed there was a rattlesnake," the affidavit reads.

The runner, identified as Cindi Jo Stock, spoke with the man again on her way back.

Another runner, Jacquelyn Maxton, also told authorities she saw Gardner that afternoon in a "Hard Rock Cafe Baghdad" T-shirt.

"She was 100 percent positive the person she saw on the trail was the person she saw on television because his haircut and eyes looked exactly the same," the affidavit reads.

The affidavits also describe a Dec. 27 attack on another jogger in the area. Gardner pleaded guilty to attempted rape in that case.

The jogger, Candice Moncayo, reported saying good morning to a man who returned the greeting then tackled her and began to climb on top of her, pinning her shoulders to the ground.

Moncayo screamed for help, believing she was going to be raped. The assailant told her to shut up and she responded, "You're going to have to kill me," according to the documents.

"That can be arranged," her assailant said.

Moncayo, who has spoken publicly about the attack, escaped after striking the man in the nose with her elbow. The affidavit said she felt the crunch of cartilage.

The court documents also said two utility workers saw a man with a girl in a remote area north of San Diego on the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, when Gardner raped and stabbed Dubois, leaving her dead body nearby.

The San Diego Gas & Electric Co. workers came forward after learning authorities were searching for the remains of Dubois near the town of Pala last month.

They recalled seeing a man matching Gardner's description with a girl who looked like Dubois on the day she disappeared. They were near a silver Ford Focus, the car that Gardner drove at the time.

Gardner led authorities to the remains of Dubois after his arrest in King's death. Her identity was confirmed through dental records.

The search warrants show Gardner was registered to live at six Southern California addresses since his release from prison in 2005, in addition to a three-month spell as a transient in 2008.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2010, 12:48:36 PM
Why didn't the utility workers report seeing "the girl and man" before? Did they not hear that a girl was missing?

This is just my opinion, not based on anything concrete. But I think he took Amber because she so closely resembled his mother. I do believe he took her and killed her.


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Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2010, 12:56:21 PM
I am not sure if I can put this thought into words as I am frustrated right now reading the public works workers saw who could have been Amber and Gardner that day. Did they report this last year and it was not taken seriously or did they just not know about Amber was missing?

There needs to be an effort to alert workers when a person goes missing so they can help keep an eye out. The phone company, cable, electric, bus drivers, cab drivers, etc should get a be on the look out report. It may be they get 10 a week and most could be people that want to disappear but this could have helped locate Amber far before she was found and could have prevented Chelsea's murder.  jmo


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Post by: canadianmonkey on April 27, 2010, 03:56:49 PM
I am not sure if I can put this thought into words as I am frustrated right now reading the public works workers saw who could have been Amber and Gardner that day. Did they report this last year and it was not taken seriously or did they just not know about Amber was missing?

There needs to be an effort to alert workers when a person goes missing so they can help keep an eye out. The phone company, cable, electric, bus drivers, cab drivers, etc should get a be on the look out report. It may be they get 10 a week and most could be people that want to disappear but this could have helped locate Amber far before she was found and could have prevented Chelsea's murder.  jmo

I agree.  I was trying to figure out how to put it into words myself.  If it's frustrating for us think about how Amber's Mom feels.  Someone saw her in that area while she was alive.  The article said they only thought of it after her body was found.  I feel badly for the workers, not realizing what they saw.


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Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2010, 05:22:10 PM
I feel badly for them as well. I know how they feel actually. I have told the story about seeing Denise Hubert with her kidnapper before he killed her. To this day it haunts me, the look on her face will never be erased from my mind. I am sure these people will always hold with them the guilt of what if...

State, county, city workers along with utility workers, bus and cab drivers etc.. can be notified if a young person comes up missing. Not everyone reads the papers, goes on the net, watches the news as apparently happened with these workers. Maybe this can be added to any laws that are being discussed? In any case it maybe something to explore.

 


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Post by: labubske on April 27, 2010, 06:48:27 PM
I feel badly for them as well. I know how they feel actually. I have told the story about seeing Denise Hubert with her kidnapper before he killed her. To this day it haunts me, the look on her face will never be erased from my mind. I am sure these people will always hold with them the guilt of what if...

State, county, city workers along with utility workers, bus and cab drivers etc.. can be notified if a young person comes up missing. Not everyone reads the papers, goes on the net, watches the news as apparently happened with these workers. Maybe this can be added to any laws that are being discussed? In any case it maybe something to explore.

 

Tracygirl,I didn't know about that.  So sorry...I couldn't begin to imagine, I guess I don't know the right words to say to that.  Is seeing her what brought you into the forums? 


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Post by: Nut44x4 on April 27, 2010, 07:57:29 PM
Gardner sentencing moved to May 14

Tuesday, April 27, 2010 at 4:17 p.m.

SAN DIEGO — Sentencing for John Albert Gardner III, the man convicted of raping and killing North County teenagers Chelsea King and Amber Dubois, has been changed to May 14.

Gardner, 31, pleaded guilty to both murders April 16 and agreed to be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He also admitted he assaulted a jogger on Dec. 27 with the intent to rape her.

His sentencing hearing had been scheduled for June 1.

Paul Levikow, a spokesman for the District Attorney’s Office, said Tuesday afternoon that the hearing had been moved up, but he did not know the reason why. He said both the prosecution and the defense agreed to change the date.

Deputy District Attorney Kristen Spieler and Deputy Public Defender Michael Popkins did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said Tuesday that the District Attorney’s Office requested the date change and spoke to him and the King family.

“We told them the sooner the better,” Dubois said.

He said prosecutors were concerned about an apology from Gardner that was reported on KFMB/Channel 8 on Sunday and wanted to limit that kind of information as much as possible.

The television station reported that a source who did not want to be named gave them the apology from Gardner. It was unclear who the apology was for, but the station said it was intended for the families of the slain girls.

Gardner was arrested Feb. 28, just days after Chelsea, 17, of Poway disappeared after going for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found a short distance away from the park buried in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges.

Amber, 14, went missing in February 2009 while walking to school at Escondido High. Her remains were found March 6 in a remote area north of Pala.

Prosecutors revealed after Gardner pleaded guilty to both killings that he had led authorities to Amber’s remains.

The plea allowed Gardner to avoid facing the death penalty.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/27/gardner-sentencing-moved-may-14/


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Post by: Tracygirl on April 27, 2010, 09:32:24 PM
I feel badly for them as well. I know how they feel actually. I have told the story about seeing Denise Hubert with her kidnapper before he killed her. To this day it haunts me, the look on her face will never be erased from my mind. I am sure these people will always hold with them the guilt of what if...

State, county, city workers along with utility workers, bus and cab drivers etc.. can be notified if a young person comes up missing. Not everyone reads the papers, goes on the net, watches the news as apparently happened with these workers. Maybe this can be added to any laws that are being discussed? In any case it maybe something to explore.

 

Tracygirl,I didn't know about that.  So sorry...I couldn't begin to imagine, I guess I don't know the right words to say to that.  Is seeing her what brought you into the forums? 

It is a long story, but the short of it is, Denise Huber, (sorry I said hubert above, that is incorrect) was kidnapped 1991, she was found 3 years later in an ice chest freezer in another state. I saw her the day after she was kidnapped.  The man she was with was beating her in a truck while driving in front of me on the freeway, I tried to help but obviously was unsuccessful.  She didn't bring me to the forum exactly but she is the reason I have been involved in this sort of thing. I suppose I failed to rescue her, so I will help where I can to help another victim. Sandra Cantu brought me out of hiding in the forum world. I would read and such before but never posted. When she went missing I joined and started to post. The rest is history. 


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Post by: labubske on April 27, 2010, 10:58:44 PM
I feel badly for them as well. I know how they feel actually. I have told the story about seeing Denise Hubert with her kidnapper before he killed her. To this day it haunts me, the look on her face will never be erased from my mind. I am sure these people will always hold with them the guilt of what if...

State, county, city workers along with utility workers, bus and cab drivers etc.. can be notified if a young person comes up missing. Not everyone reads the papers, goes on the net, watches the news as apparently happened with these workers. Maybe this can be added to any laws that are being discussed? In any case it maybe something to explore.

 

Tracygirl,I didn't know about that.  So sorry...I couldn't begin to imagine, I guess I don't know the right words to say to that.  Is seeing her what brought you into the forums? 

It is a long story, but the short of it is, Denise Huber, (sorry I said hubert above, that is incorrect) was kidnapped 1991, she was found 3 years later in an ice chest freezer in another state. I saw her the day after she was kidnapped.  The man she was with was beating her in a truck while driving in front of me on the freeway, I tried to help but obviously was unsuccessful.  She didn't bring me to the forum exactly but she is the reason I have been involved in this sort of thing. I suppose I failed to rescue her, so I will help where I can to help another victim. Sandra Cantu brought me out of hiding in the forum world. I would read and such before but never posted. When she went missing I joined and started to post. The rest is history. 
Well, I have watched your posts and we have interacted some...and I can see how much you put into this...the intensity.  You do help others and I believe that if there was something else that you could have done for Denise then you would have.  The blame lies on the man that committed that horrific act.  She should have never experienced that...and you should have never had to see it.  That is why we are all here...to do what we can to put an end to these tragedies.  The Sandra Cantu case was too difficult for me to even look into.  I mean they all are difficult but that one hurt...I remember stopping the video because the tears just wouldn't stop.


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Post by: Tracygirl on April 28, 2010, 02:21:05 AM
Thank you for the kind words of support. We all have our reasons on why we spend hours here. God knows there are easier ways to spend our time. I think each of us are lead here for one reason or another, mostly because we all have something to offer.


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Post by: klaasend on April 29, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/

NEWS 8 EXCLUSIVE: He's confessed to two of the most notorious crimes in San Diego County history. Now, John Albert Gardner talks EXCLUSIVELY to News 8. For the first time, Confessed Killer John Gardner: In His Own Words - Thursday, April 29 on News 8 at 5PM, 6:30PM and 11PM.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 29, 2010, 09:38:10 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/

NEWS 8 EXCLUSIVE: He's confessed to two of the most notorious crimes in San Diego County history. Now, John Albert Gardner talks EXCLUSIVELY to News 8. For the first time, Confessed Killer John Gardner: In His Own Words - Thursday, April 29 on News 8 at 5PM, 6:30PM and 11PM.
Thank-you.  I don't understand why a killer can talk to a news show, and never will. It just doesn't seem right to me at all, and especially to the families  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on April 29, 2010, 11:47:08 AM
I think when you go to jail anyone can come and visit. The prisoner just has to agree to see you. That's must be why they are moving up his hearing date, because in prison you can't get visits from anyone who walks in the door. From the tiny bit I heard it does not sound sincere and I think it will be mostly about " I needed medical help and did not get it" kind of crap.

Can you say "Mommy shopping for a book deal". Number 1 this kid is not smart enough to come up with this on his own. He has anger issues and I'm to believe, just like that he can  calm enough to talk to a reporter.


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Post by: Edward on April 29, 2010, 12:00:32 PM
Let Carrie interview him..


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Post by: sebastian on April 29, 2010, 12:05:46 PM
Let Carrie interview him..

I agree wholeheartedly Edward!!!!!!!!


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Post by: Edward on April 29, 2010, 12:18:08 PM
Nobody knows more then Carrie .. She has done more investigating then LE has.
She should insist with the news media involved as he has not even been formally sentanced yet and there could have been others involved and so questions and investigation continues even today.


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Post by: Tracygirl on April 29, 2010, 12:47:52 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/

NEWS 8 EXCLUSIVE: He's confessed to two of the most notorious crimes in San Diego County history. Now, John Albert Gardner talks EXCLUSIVELY to News 8. For the first time, Confessed Killer John Gardner: In His Own Words - Thursday, April 29 on News 8 at 5PM, 6:30PM and 11PM.

Sounds like to me with all of the previous talk about needing help but couldn't get it, he is throwing mommy under the bus and deflecting some of the responsibilty. Typical. He made the choice that day to kidnap, rape and murder Amber, nobody made that choice for him. If he wanted help, this is California there is help at any hospital.

He needs to answer Carries questions. If she wants to know what happened that day she more then deserves it.   




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Post by: klaasend on April 29, 2010, 06:29:57 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Plea-Deal-Wasnt-Gardners-Idea-Report-92449524.html

Plea Deal Wasn't Gardner's Idea: Report
Updated 2:20 PM PDT, Thu, Apr 29, 2010

Taking life in prison instead of facing the death penalty was not John Gardner’s idea according to a published report.

Gardner, the man who pleaded guilty to raping and murdering Poway teenager Chelsea King in March and Escondido teenager Amber Dubois in February 2009, told a local television station that he had been willing to go to death row.

Amber’s mother Carrie McGonigle, talked with the North County Times Thursday after listening to seven minutes of a recent telephone interview between Gardner and a reporter with KFMB.

She said Gardner told the reporter that the plea deal that kept him from possible execution was not his idea, but was the brainchild of his attorneys.

McGonigle told North County Times reporter Teri Figueroa that she listened to seven minutes of the interview Wednesday evening.

"I think he's trying to get sympathy, playing the victim," McGonigle said. "But he's not a victim."

McGonigle said a news producer at the station told her Gardner, 31, called the station from jail.

McGonigle said Gardner refused to give details of the crimes during the interview; he said he would only share those details with the family.

Amber, 14, disappeared as she walked to Escondido High School about 7 a.m. on Feb. 13, 2009. Her whereabouts remained a mystery for more than a year.

Then on Feb. 25, 2010, Poway High School senior Chelsea King, 17, disappeared during a run on a trail near Lake Hodges.

Authorities arrested Gardner and charged him with killing Chelsea, whose body was found in a shallow grave near a lake tributary on March 2. He was linked to her slaying through DNA.

After his arrest, Gardner confessed to killing Amber as well and led authorities to a shallow grave in Pala where he had buried her.

He pleaded guilty April 16 to the rapes and murders of both North County teens.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on April 29, 2010, 06:57:37 PM
Thanks,Klaas.
He!! is too good for that monster.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Edward on April 29, 2010, 08:48:05 PM
McGonigle said Gardner refused to give details of the crimes during the interview; he said he would only share those details with the family.


Good enough.. Carrie ask him..
Where are Ambers belongings ? 


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Post by: Northern Rose on April 29, 2010, 09:35:46 PM
John Gardner: In His Own Words, Pt. 1 (with audio recording)

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (CBS 8) - The man who admitted to raping and murdering Chelsea King and Amber Dubois broke his silence in an extended interview with News 8. John Gardner is making stunning allegations and offers new, behind-the-scenes details into his brutal crimes and the plea deal that saved his life.

For more than two hours, News 8 spoke to John Gardner in a recorded telephone interview. We realize this is a very sensitive issue for the families involved, and we did notify them in advance of airing this story.

News 8 got a response from Amber Dubois' mother, and will not be reporting graphic details of the attacks on Chelsea and Amber.

In our interview, Gardner speaks intelligently about the murder case against him, and for the first time he offers to sit down with the families of his victims.

"I was aware of what I was doing, and I could not stop myself. I was in a major rage and pissed off at my whole life and everyone who had hurt me and blew up and hurt the wrong people.

"I hate myself, I really do. There is no taking back what I did, and if I could, yes I would, are you kidding me? But I was out of control. If I was able to stop myself in the middle of it, I would have, and I could not. I was out of control," Gardner said.

Never in our two and a half hour conversation does Gardner go into detail about how he killed his victims. Those answers, he says, will be given only to the girl's families upon their request.

"I'm only answering questions to the family in regards to that stuff, anything involving those two and how things happened and whatever, I will not comment on any of that. I will answer questions to them and them only," he said.

Amber Dubois disappeared on Feb. 13, 2009 at around 7 a.m. as she walked to Escondido High School. Gardner says nothing about his interaction with Amber, but in a passing remark about protecting children by putting more money into schools, he says Amber would still be here if there was a bus schedule.

"If there was a bus schedule still, would amber still be here? Yeah, she would have, if there was a bus, so why don't they put that money toward the schools?" he said.

Gardner would not say if he offered Amber a ride to school. Another question we asked him is if he stalked his victims or if they were picked at random.

"It wasn't about their age with me. I actually didn't go out and look for them. I did not sit and wait for them. I go out and go for walks to calm myself. I'll go for a walk or go for a drive just to calm down," Gardner said.

It's what witnesses say Gardner was doing on Feb. 25, the day he attacked Poway teen Chelsea King near Lake Hodges. DNA tied Gardner to the scene, and he was arrested on Sunday, Feb. 28 for Chelsea's rape and murder. As the search continued for Chelsea's body, Gardner claims he was ready to confess to the murders of both girls.

"On Monday I was trying to get a hold of the attorney, I was going to tell them where she, where Chelsea was, and I was going to tell them where Amber was," he said.

On Tuesday, March 2, search teams found Chelsea's body in a shallow grave. The next day Gardner was arraigned in court for Chelsea's murder.

"As soon as I went to court on Wednesday, I had public defenders in that little box that they always put me in, and when they came after court -- because you have to plead not guilty for some reason to everything before you can even plead guilty, I guess -- I was telling them I just want to plead guilty and want everyone to know how bad that I felt," Gardner said.

Gardner adds that he didn't care if he received the death penalty.

After his arraignment Wednesday, Gardner says he told his public defenders he killed Amber and days later he led investigators to her remains in a remote area of Pala.

"The whole deal of 'Oh we'll take the death penalty off', that was all up on the lawyers and the DA and all that. I told them I don't give a [expletive]. I told them with no promise of taking life off. I had no promises and I showed them where Amber was because I felt bad. I had no promise of any deal when I did that," Gardner said.

But the district attorney says there was an agreement: Gardner taking authorities to Amber's remains would not be held against him in court.

In the following weeks, investigators looked for anything to tie Gardner to the crime scene, but the DA says nothing was found. In the meantime, Gardner says he was becoming increasingly frustrated that Amber's parents had not been told he was the killer.

"They were withholding information of the fact that I showed where she was, and they didn't even let the family know yet. And I was pissed they didn't let the family know.

"The reason why they waited so long to announce anything and to do the plea deal was because they had to give investigators time to try and build a case against me so that they did not have to make a deal. And I said, 'Well that's [expletive]. Let's just go into court and I'll plead guilty and then you guys figure out what you want to do later," Gardner said.

Gardner says he eventually called the state attorney general's office to report everything that was happening behind the scenes.

"I had some issues with what was going on in my case. I was pissed. I was calling the attorney general and they all came down here. My attorneys, both of them, showed up that day that I called the attorney general to report them and they showed up and said, 'What the [expletive] are you doing, blah blah blah. We had the DA call us to tell us to get you to shut the [expletive] up,'" Gardner said.

District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis declined to comment on Gardner's allegations. But former DA Paul Pfingst says Gardner's statements raise major issues.

"It's not the job of the DA to stand between him and law enforcement. It's the job of his defense team, not the prosecution team.

"If John Gardner called up the AG's office and confessed to killing Amber Dubois, and confessed that now he was a serial killer, the chances of him receiving the death penalty would go from high, to extraordinarily high," Pfingst said. "What the public would have to ask is 'Is this what we're having law enforcement do now? Telling serial killers not to talk to us?'"

As far as we know, Gardner never spoke at length with the attorney general's office, and in the end the plea deal went through.

"By accepting this guilty plea, we are obtaining a conviction for the murder of Amber that we would not otherwise have been able to obtain," Dumanis said.

The death penalty was dropped in exchange for Gardner's confession, something Gardner says he was willing to do from the beginning.

"I showed them where everything was. I showed them where [Amber] was before they made a deal," Gardner said.

John Gardner faces life in prison without the possibility of parole, but it doesn't mean he can't face future prosecution.

News 8 asked Gardner if there were any other victims.

"Ha ha, good try," he said.

We showed our full report to Amber's mother Carrie McGonigle in advance of it airing. McGonigle says she does plan on meeting with Gardner in private to get some of her questions answered.

"I was surprised he did an interview so close to sentencing, but he says he'll give us answers and I want answers.

"I find what he says kind of surprising. Like, did he really just want to have the death penalty? He murdered my child, he murdered Chelsea. He could have gotten help, he could have gotten help and he could have come forward, and you know what? Chelsea may still be alive if he would have felt guilty," she said.

Other family members had no comment on our report.


http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12401580


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Post by: Northern Rose on April 29, 2010, 09:46:48 PM
Reading all the docs of the assault he committed in his mother's house which he was sentenced for and registered as a SO, to listen to him now and his laugh when the reporter asks if there are more victims, I do not believe he feels anything, no guilt, no remorse nothing.  It sounds like this is about power to him.  It sounds that he was more mad about them not telling Carrie and Moe than feeling bad about what he did.  IMO he wanted to prove to LE that he was smarter than them and by LE not telling the families it sent him off in a rage as he was not in the spotlight.  I am not believing that he confessed over guilt.  He confessed over power and anger.  You do not grow a conscience overnight.  As Carrie said, he had over a year to feel guilt and all he did was attack two girls after he murdered Amber that we know of.  He tried to pin the assault of the girl in his mother's home to her mother and the poor child he attacked.  He believed that in his mind regardless of how far off the truth it was.  This sounds like the same thing to me.  If Carrie does go meet him she needs to really protect herself as he may be doing this to get his jollies of watching the anguish of others. IF he feels bad why the laugh about more victims?  Why say to the reporter good try?  Why not just answer if he is looking to clear his conscience?  He does not have a conscience to clear IMO. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 29, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
John Gardner: In His Own Words, Pt. 2

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (CBS 8) - John Gardner says he was never trying to avoid the death penalty, in an exclusive interview with News 8.

Gardner showed remorse for his victims, and thumbed his nose at the death penalty when he spoke to News 8 from his jail cell. And for the first time, we're learning more about the plea deal that saved his life.

News 8 asked Gardner why he admitted to killing Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

"Why would I drag it out? Why would I put those families through going through court and looking at all the evidence, and having them sit there and having the DA's, my lawyer, throw it up in their face?" Gardner said.

Gardner never goes into detail about how he killed 14-year-old Amber Dubois or 17-year-old Chelsea King, but he does say that as soon as he was arrested for Chelsea's murder he was ready to confess his involvement in Amber's death so her parents could also have closure.

"They sat wondering for a year. It just ate me up every single day. I have nightmares of them, and I'm sitting here feeling all this guilt for so long and it finally just caught up.

"I was telling them that I just wanted to plead guilty and I want everyone to know I have, how bad I felt and everything, and that I tried to get help beforehand," Gardner said.

When District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis came clean about who led investigators to Amber's remains, she said an agreement was made: Gardner shows investigators where the body is, and it won't be held against him in court. Despite more than a month of investigation, Dumanis told reporters they were unable to prove Gardner murdered Amber.

"There was no DNA and no evidence obtained in the search warrants that connected him to Amber's murder," Dumanis said.

But Gardner says all the evidence they needed was already behind bars, waiting to talk. He was willing to confess before the backroom deal was made.

"The whole deal of 'Oh we'll take the death penalty off', that was all up on the lawyers and the DA and all that. I told them I don't give a [expletive]. I told them with no promise of taking life off. I had no promises and I showed them where Amber was because I felt bad. I had no promise of any deal when I did that," Gardner said.

Gardner also claims that a large-scale search at Kit Carson Park in Escondido was a ruse so the media wouldn't find out he was leading detectives to Amber's body near Pala.

"You guys were given a false report to supposedly go to Kit Carson Park, so all of the media was trying to scour over Kit Carson Park when we went up there," he said. "I was en route, I saw your helicopters."

Gardner now faces life in prison, instead of the death penalty, but he's still not convinced that's the best option.

"If I got the death penalty I would be sitting in a single cell for 25 to 30 years before they ever decided to give me the death penalty. Now, with the sentence I have I'm going to be dead within the next five years," he said.

Out of respect for the families, we did tell Chelsea and Amber's parents about our interview with John Gardner. The Kings had no comment, and neither did Amber's father Maurice Dubois. But Amber's mother asked to watch our story before it aired, and gave her reaction.

"I was surprised he did an interview so close to sentencing, but he says he'll give us answers and I want answers," she said. "He said he wanted us to know, why did he wait 13 months? Because he got caught. He could have called the anonymous tip line if he felt so bad and given us some closure. So I found that hard to believe that he felt so bad, because he watched us suffer for a year and I'm sure he watched us."

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12401882


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Post by: Edward on April 30, 2010, 02:56:36 AM
Reading all the docs of the assault he committed in his mother's house which he was sentenced for and registered as a SO, to listen to him now and his laugh when the reporter asks if there are more victims, I do not believe he feels anything, no guilt, no remorse nothing.  It sounds like this is about power to him.  It sounds that he was more mad about them not telling Carrie and Moe than feeling bad about what he did.  IMO he wanted to prove to LE that he was smarter than them and by LE not telling the families it sent him off in a rage as he was not in the spotlight.  I am not believing that he confessed over guilt.  He confessed over power and anger.  You do not grow a conscience overnight.  As Carrie said, he had over a year to feel guilt and all he did was attack two girls after he murdered Amber that we know of.  He tried to pin the assault of the girl in his mother's home to her mother and the poor child he attacked.  He believed that in his mind regardless of how far off the truth it was.  This sounds like the same thing to me.  If Carrie does go meet him she needs to really protect herself as he may be doing this to get his jollies of watching the anguish of others. IF he feels bad why the laugh about more victims?  Why say to the reporter good try?  Why not just answer if he is looking to clear his conscience?  He does not have a conscience to clear IMO. 

News 8 asked Gardner if there were any other victims.

"Ha ha, good try," he said.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: You are so right Northernrose, It is all a game to him. Power.. His arogance reeks of ignorance, His moment of fame..
  I am not sure but it looks like anger at his mom.. prolly misdirected anger ??

[size=06pt]Kinda looks like there may be another victim[/size] ??
 ::MonkeyShocked::

"If I got the death penalty I would be sitting in a single cell for 25 to 30 years before they ever decided to give me the death penalty. Now, with the sentence I have I'm going to be dead within the next five years," he said.


I can agree with that reasoning.. somebody will get to HIM inside while in open population before 5 years ? Maybe and maybe not. Lets mark the calander.. ::MonkeyDevil::






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on April 30, 2010, 12:30:27 PM
I agree that this is totally about power to him. Did anyone else pick up on how young he sounds? He spoke like a teenager instead of a 30 year old man. To my knowledge his mother never appeared in the courtroom at his hearings. I wonder if he is doing these interviews to get back at his mother again? I do not see one ounce of remorse from him. He was just upset that after he got caught, he could not call of the shots. LE was not having it.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on May 01, 2010, 07:59:40 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/

NEWS 8 EXCLUSIVE: He's confessed to two of the most notorious crimes in San Diego County history. Now, John Albert Gardner talks EXCLUSIVELY to News 8. For the first time, Confessed Killer John Gardner: In His Own Words - Thursday, April 29 on News 8 at 5PM, 6:30PM and 11PM.

Sounds like to me with all of the previous talk about needing help but couldn't get it, he is throwing mommy under the bus and deflecting some of the responsibilty. Typical. He made the choice that day to kidnap, rape and murder Amber, nobody made that choice for him. If he wanted help, this is California there is help at any hospital.

He needs to answer Carries questions. If she wants to know what happened that day she more then deserves it.   




very true tracygirl, all gardner had to do was go yell out the streets that he was going to take his own life,, not that I think gardner is suicidal or anything but who knows. If he was depressed/suicidal or wanted help, someone who knew he was could have called police/911, had a cop come up to him and call up an ambulance and he'd be in a mental health facility just like that. He would've been on a 72 hours hold depending on what the doctor had to say about him.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 01, 2010, 08:30:41 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_e38505ff-ad42-59e5-957f-259ccd736496.html

Mommy has visited him 9 times as well as other women. He's working on a groupie following.

I think the only reason that he wants to tell the parents directly is so he can relive the sick fantasy for another 6 months. If he did this out of anger and could not stop himself, who  was it he was killing over and over again? He did not know his victims, and it was out of anger, had to be killing someone.

He must want to be segregated from the other inmates.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 01, 2010, 10:58:38 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_e38505ff-ad42-59e5-957f-259ccd736496.html

Mommy has visited him 9 times as well as other women. He's working on a groupie following.

I think the only reason that he wants to tell the parents directly is so he can relive the sick fantasy for another 6 months. If he did this out of anger and could not stop himself, who  was it he was killing over and over again? He did not know his victims, and it was out of anger, had to be killing someone.

He must want to be segregated from the other inmates.

Thank you for the link ArmChair. I was wondering if mommy had cut him off or not. He can say what he wants, but I think he is killing his mother. Of course he wants to be segregated, he knows he will have to watch his back for the rest of his life, boo hoo! I cannot believe the amount of mentally deficient women out there wanting relationships with these sickos!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 01, 2010, 11:00:17 PM
Reading all the docs of the assault he committed in his mother's house which he was sentenced for and registered as a SO, to listen to him now and his laugh when the reporter asks if there are more victims, I do not believe he feels anything, no guilt, no remorse nothing.  It sounds like this is about power to him.  It sounds that he was more mad about them not telling Carrie and Moe than feeling bad about what he did.  IMO he wanted to prove to LE that he was smarter than them and by LE not telling the families it sent him off in a rage as he was not in the spotlight.  I am not believing that he confessed over guilt.  He confessed over power and anger.  You do not grow a conscience overnight.  As Carrie said, he had over a year to feel guilt and all he did was attack two girls after he murdered Amber that we know of.  He tried to pin the assault of the girl in his mother's home to her mother and the poor child he attacked.  He believed that in his mind regardless of how far off the truth it was.  This sounds like the same thing to me.  If Carrie does go meet him she needs to really protect herself as he may be doing this to get his jollies of watching the anguish of others. IF he feels bad why the laugh about more victims?  Why say to the reporter good try?  Why not just answer if he is looking to clear his conscience?  He does not have a conscience to clear IMO. 

News 8 asked Gardner if there were any other victims.

"Ha ha, good try," he said.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: You are so right Northernrose, It is all a game to him. Power.. His arogance reeks of ignorance, His moment of fame..
  I am not sure but it looks like anger at his mom.. prolly misdirected anger ??

[size=06pt]Kinda looks like there may be another victim[/size] ??
 ::MonkeyShocked::

"If I got the death penalty I would be sitting in a single cell for 25 to 30 years before they ever decided to give me the death penalty. Now, with the sentence I have I'm going to be dead within the next five years," he said.


I can agree with that reasoning.. somebody will get to HIM inside while in open population before 5 years ? Maybe and maybe not. Lets mark the calander.. ::MonkeyDevil::





If we are making bets Edward and they put him in general population, my bet is less than 1 year.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 01, 2010, 11:03:28 PM
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REGION: Board releases report on John Gardner
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Font Size: Default font size Larger font size Share  SACRAMENTO ---- A state board Friday called for more scrutiny in California's parole system, after examining the case of a convicted sex offender who pleaded guilty to killing two California teenagers.

The California Sex Offender Management Board sent 13 recommendations to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on how to better protect the public from sexual predators.

The 17-member board focused on the case of John Albert Gardner III and why he was not sent back to prison for parole violations in 2007 and 2008.

Had he been returned to prison, he would have been evaluated for commitment to a state mental hospital as a sexually violent predator.

Gardner pleaded guilty on April 16 to killing 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

The board of law enforcement officials, victims and treatment providers has said that parole officers should have done a better job watching Gardner. However, they have questioned whether closer scrutiny would have stopped King's murder.

Among the recommendations sent to the governor:

-- The state parole division should decide what parole violations are automatically referred to the state Board of Parole Hearings. Currently, not all parole violations are reported to the parole board.

-- Mandate treatment for designated sex offenders on parole or probation.

-- Pass a law designating so-called "exclusion zones" where certain sex offenders are not allowed. One state lawmaker has authored legislation banning sex offenders from parks. Current state law limits how close sex offenders can live to schools and parks.

-- Rank sex offenders according to their risk of reoffense and dangerousness.

-- Provide more resources to local law enforcement agencies for monitoring registered sex offenders.

-- Require sheriff's and police departments, probation departments, and the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to retain records on registered sex offenders for 75 years.

-- Change state law so that mentally ill offenders are referred for commitment when at least two evaluators agree that the person should be committed.

In a statement Friday, Schwarzenegger said he looked forward to reviewing the board's recommendations and "looking at where improvements can be made to make our communities and state even safer from sex offenders."

The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation and the Office of Inspector General are both conducting internal investigations in the Gardner case.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 02, 2010, 02:23:08 AM
I am listening to the video right now, his voice sounds different then what I imagined. It is higher and has a touch of feminine qualities. He also sounds so normal, except of the "F" bombs every other word of course.

I have no doubt there are other victims after hearing his laugh when asked if there are any other victims. chilling.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 02, 2010, 10:47:57 AM
LOL... I did not want to say this but..

I think he is the fem half of a homosexual.

It was suggested there may be an accomplice.... That very well could be the masculine half and he is taking the rap so to speak for him.

In prison life.. The world of homosexual is much different then the outside word percieves GAY. It is a world of violent domonation...

That is what happened to both girls when you consider it.

jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 02, 2010, 12:39:35 PM
I should post a disclaimer..
I have nothing against the gay or lesbian community.. do what ever you want.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 02, 2010, 02:45:33 PM
Yea Edward his voice has a certain inflection that I was not expecting. I think I was expecting his voice to be deeper and more rough and it was not at all.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12402060

What does Gardner's interview reveal about him?
Posted: Apr 29, 2010 7:41 PM PDT
Updated: May 01, 2010 10:05 AM PDT
 
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News 8 Exclusive: John Gardner - In His Own WordsSAN DIEGO, Calif. (CBS 8) - There has been strong reaction to News 8's jailhouse interview with John Gardner. News 8 asked a local psychiatrist to listen to the interview and offer his professional opinion.

In his first interview since confessing to the murders of teens Chelsea King and Amber Dubois, John Gardner says he's talking because he has nothing to lose.

"I was aware of what I was doing, and I could not stop myself. I was in a major rage, and pissed off, and pissed off at my whole life, and everyone who had hurt me, and blew up, and I hurt the wrong people."

Psychiatrist Dr. Philip Botkiss watched our interview with Gardner and says Gardner may very well be a sociopath.

"I can dictate who I talk to, I can dictate when I talk to that person, I didn't have to do a plea bargain, other people did that for me -- this is his way of exerting control and I think that's a function of how desperate and out of control he really is," Dr. Botkiss said.

In the interview, Gardner told News 8 he did not specifically target his victims.

"It wasn't about their age with me. I didn't actually go out and look for them, I did not sit and wait for them. I go to calm myself, I go for walks to calm myself. I'll go for a walk or for a drive just to calm down," Gardner said.

"I think there's a huge jump that one makes between going out for walks because of anger and committing a heinous crime," Dr. Botkiss said.

Gardner also claims that if more money had been put into local schools, Amber may still be alive.

"If there was a bus schedule still, would Amber still be here, blah blah blah. Yeah, she would have, if there was a bus, so why don't they put that money toward the schools?" he said.

"That's another way of rationalizing ,externalizing, blaming others for what he's done. He is going to blame that he was molested, that he has mental problems, that the bus was not there for Amber. And this is his way of rationalizing his behavior," Dr. Botkiss said.

Because of our interview with Gardner, Amber's mother Carrie McGonigle told News 8 she wants to meet face-to-face with Gardner and get some answers about how he targeted her daughter.

"I'm hoping he gives my family some closure. I hope he answers the questions like he says he will, because I have the questions I want to ask," McGonigle said.

But Dr. Botkiss has a warning about meeting with Gardner.

"I think that they will believe that it may help them, because they are probably very eager to put some closure on this, and they'll probably see that as part of this process. But I just don't think that what he says can be believed. Because if he is indeed sociopathic, he can say anything he wants. And ultimately this may be a very negative experience for the family, because he may use that interaction in a way to exert some kind of control over them too. That actually could be more devastating," Dr. Botkiss said.

News 8's decision to air John Gardner's jailhouse interview was not taken lightly. We knew it would be controversial, but in the end we felt the interview was newsworthy and the public had the right to know.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 02, 2010, 04:55:33 PM
LOL... I did not want to say this but..

I think he is the fem half of a homosexual.

It was suggested there may be an accomplice.... That very well could be the masculine half and he is taking the rap so to speak for him.

In prison life.. The world of homosexual is much different then the outside word percieves GAY. It is a world of violent domonation...

That is what happened to both girls when you consider it.

jmho

Wasn't it supposed to be a male that sexually abused Gardner when he was young? If that is in fact true, I wonder if there was any violent domination in that situation. I also cannot help but wonder if there are any male victims out there.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on May 02, 2010, 05:00:05 PM
I think armchair is right, he is looking for groupies, fans, money, maybe even a book deal. He is trying to make the best out of his situation and the worst for amber and chelsea's parents b/c he has nothing else better to do. About his voice, I think it's because he didn't have a real father figure to demonstrate to him how to talk and do things growing up and his mom took care of him all of his life, so I think that is why he talks that way....but that is how i see it, he does have the same neck as his mom like klaasend pointed out, just saying...there could be other reasons why he talks that way but I guess that he uses his voice to convince people he is not bad and is a nice person to be around, he kinnd of reminds me of Tiger Woods, but Tiger Woods doesn't seem as sociopathic.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on May 02, 2010, 05:05:35 PM
LOL... I did not want to say this but..

I think he is the fem half of a homosexual.

It was suggested there may be an accomplice.... That very well could be the masculine half and he is taking the rap so to speak for him.

In prison life.. The world of homosexual is much different then the outside word percieves GAY. It is a world of violent domonation...

That is what happened to both girls when you consider it.

jmho

Wasn't it supposed to be a male that sexually abused Gardner when he was young? If that is in fact true, I wonder if there was any violent domination in that situation. I also cannot help but wonder if there are any male victims out there.

i think it said in the terms of parole pdf indirectly it was stated that an uncle may have abused him.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on May 02, 2010, 09:07:51 PM
if he was abused by an uncle, i think he could have become homophobic, maybe developed some kind of aggressive behavior/fear of homo/bi males, but that is just what I think. I am by no means a psychiatrist or psychologist, so please correct me if i am wrong.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on May 02, 2010, 09:38:39 PM
i dont know how gardner could think a bus schedule could have prevented him from getting to amber. School bus transportation costs like $300 every three months in some cities as opposed to walking to school which costs zero that is if you live close by.

The parents have to pay for bus transportation of course, not all can afford bus transportation like that, and city transit buses can carry about 15-20 passengers per bus, and you still have to wait by yourself at the bus stop and not all of them have a bench for you to sit on. Some kids like to walk to school, maybe they like walking too, don't kids have a right to walk to school even if it is by themselves? Not everyone is going to have a friend to walk with in my opinion..when I was a 12-16 I walked by myself a lot of times, never once did I think or know about any sex offenders. Busses dont take you directly to your house, you still have to walk at least some distance to get to your house.

Isn't there a reason for what a school cross walk and school crossing guards are for...? Also that is why the speed limit is 25 mph around school/residential areas, maybe Gardner thinks that the speed limit should be faster like 55 so nobody is able to stop or drive slow enough to ask a young person if he/she wants a ride home. I know Gardner is just trying to find ways to defend himself and feel less remorse as possible...I hope in court all the statements he makes to these news reporters are taken seriously, because it shows he has no idea what he is talking about and doesn't really care for what he did, it reminds me of how Phillip Garrido went to some school or city council/police department, i cant remember, and he was trying to find a way to alert parents about how to keep their children safe when walking to the bus stop or school when he himself had abducted 11 year old jaycee dugard years ago.

I think that Gardner should have just started recycling, that is picking up bottles and cans if he was so stressed out and was poor, homeless, and living out of his truck, I bet that would have taken his mind off things he shouldnt have been doing, or at least then somebody would have noticed him before he could have done anything to hurt anybody.


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Post by: labubske on May 02, 2010, 09:57:39 PM
IMO...Gardner is not truly remorseful!  He did not give names/locations of other victims.  He laughed at the question...who laughs at such a question...when pleading guilty (because he felt bad) of raping and killing two other girls and attacking another?  Who laughs?  Who says "Ha Ha good try"...as though this were some sort of game?  I have yet to listen to the actual interview...but, I am heading to it...I am curious to hear this "voice" that other monkeys are commenting on.  Did anyone hear what age he was abused?  There may be a relation.  Possibly.  I think there is a part of him that is sorry...but, a part that will never be bigger than the part that kills.  I would guess that he was rarely held accountable for his actions...his mother/family/girlfriends probably took care of any mess he made and he feels a sense of entitlement.  Though that is most of the new generation...and that doesn't make anyone kill...but, it sure doesn't help someone that is predisposed to this.


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Post by: piwannaberookie on May 02, 2010, 10:06:47 PM
I think maybe the main point in all of this is that Gardner is trying to tell everyone he tried to get help, but could not find any help .Is there really any proof/evidence that he was trying to get help? If so how? Therefore, there is nothing he or anyone can do to convince  there was anything anyone could have done to stop him. If he makes any money  out of this, I think it should go back to the victims' families so they do whatever they want with it, if there is a way he can pay back for everything he has done, I don't think anyone should stop him, just as long as he doesn't get out of prison, I just think he owes it to both Amber and Chelsea's parents, whether they want to have anything to do with him or not they deserve to see him punished, I just don't think life in prison is enough, just my opinion....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 02, 2010, 11:15:45 PM
LOL... I did not want to say this but..

I think he is the fem half of a homosexual.

It was suggested there may be an accomplice.... That very well could be the masculine half and he is taking the rap so to speak for him.

In prison life.. The world of homosexual is much different then the outside word percieves GAY. It is a world of violent domonation...

That is what happened to both girls when you consider it.

jmho

Wasn't it supposed to be a male that sexually abused Gardner when he was young? If that is in fact true, I wonder if there was any violent domination in that situation. I also cannot help but wonder if there are any male victims out there.

The Uncle and then Prison..
Raped in prison so he becomes fem from past training.
Prison is violent and NOT loving a person will turn fem for various reasons inside
1.protection
2. Develops Sociopatic stradigy.
3. To get things they want or need inside prison.
3. Once out of prison he may find a Dom in public life for the same reasons..

The question is would he supply a Dominate Male outside of prison with young girls ?
Together they rape and murder the victim.. ??
It would explain the cell phone the next day..

He lies too much.. He should have kept his mouth shut because now I see him.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on May 02, 2010, 11:20:49 PM
nvm I don't think there is a main point to Gardner, I think that a previous abuse from a male relative could be another reason for Channel 8 to interview Gardner. Labubske, I agree that Gardner thinks this is a game, the interview shows he is not a mature adult, something must have happened to him or didn't happen to him right b/c he doesnt behave maturely that is with sex or relationships with women.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on May 02, 2010, 11:26:32 PM
LOL... I did not want to say this but..

I think he is the fem half of a homosexual.

It was suggested there may be an accomplice.... That very well could be the masculine half and he is taking the rap so to speak for him.

In prison life.. The world of homosexual is much different then the outside word percieves GAY. It is a world of violent domonation...

That is what happened to both girls when you consider it.

jmho

Wasn't it supposed to be a male that sexually abused Gardner when he was young? If that is in fact true, I wonder if there was any violent domination in that situation. I also cannot help but wonder if there are any male victims out there.

The Uncle and then Prison..
Raped in prison so he becomes fem from past training.
Prison is violent and NOT loving a person will turn fem for various reasons inside
1.protection
2. Develops Sociopatic stradigy.
3. To get things they want or need inside prison.
3. Once out of prison he may find a Dom in public life for the same reasons..

The question is would he supply a Dominate Male outside of prison with young girls ?
Together they rape and murder the victim.. ??
It would explain the cell phone the next day..

He lies too much.. He should have kept his mouth shut because now I see him.



you could be on to something, this is definitely something I haven't heard before...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 02, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
I think maybe the main point in all of this is that Gardner is trying to tell everyone he tried to get help, but could not find any help .Is there really any proof/evidence that he was trying to get help? If so how? Therefore, there is nothing he or anyone can do to convince  there was anything anyone could have done to stop him. If he makes any money  out of this, I think it should go back to the victims' families so they do whatever they want with it, if there is a way he can pay back for everything he has done, I don't think anyone should stop him, just as long as he doesn't get out of prison, I just think he owes it to both Amber and Chelsea's parents, whether they want to have anything to do with him or not they deserve to see him punished, I just don't think life in prison is enough, just my opinion....

I agree that he is wanting to let people know that he tried to get help but couldn't.  Maybe in his mind he believes that he did everything that he could to get help...but, I doubt that he really did.  I am not sure how California is set up...but, in Florida if you want help you can get it.  There is no ER that can truly deny a mental health patient if they are serious.  With mom being in that field she should know the in's and out's and know where and how he could get help.  Even if the first twenty denied him.  Anything different than actually kidnapping and killing children.  I doubt there is ANYONE that would be denied mental health care if they stood in the middle of a public place and started acting extremely bizarre and threatening homicide or suicide...they would be involuntarily committed or jailed...either way he wouldn't be killing...so how hard did he try?  The above scenario would not work with his narcissism.


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Post by: Edward on May 03, 2010, 12:02:54 AM
He is lying.. Looking for beleed hearts.

I bet he never tried to seek help.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 03, 2010, 02:25:18 AM
He has a sociopathic personality and does not and cannot take full responsibility for what he does. It is someone elses doing that has caused him to murder, the responsibility is deflected off of him onto someone else or something else. He has to have complete control over every circumstance from telling the parents how the murders happened to not wanting the death penalty taken off the table. It is all about control. He is one sick puppy.

Speaking about male victims though, do you recall the list that was posted that was a series of small notes that seemed to me like he was stalking someone? I do wonder if that was his list and if they are some of his victims.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 03, 2010, 02:29:33 AM
Just FYI I found this very interesting and thought I would share.

http://personalitydisorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/personality_traits_of_a_psychopath


Personality Traits of a Psychopath
Characteristics of Sociopathic Personality Disorder
Share Article | Jul 30, 2008 Jennifer Copley

Psychopathy, also known as sociopathy, is a personality disorder characterized by selfishness, ruthlessness and the inability to feel guilt or empathy.
   


The psychopath is a social predator. He is ruthless, manipulative and often charming. Once referred to as “moral imbeciles,” psychopaths exhibit a marked lack of conscience. They are callous, remorseless and spectacularly self-centered, willing to use and abuse others to achieve their ends, and they are inclined to blame others, including their victims, for their problems and bad behaviour.

Psychotic Versus Psychopathic
Many people confuse the terms “psychotic” and “psychopathic,” but unlike psychotics, psychopaths are not crazy. They are fully aware of what they’re doing and the potential consequences. They make their decisions rationally, and exercise free choice. They don’t suffer from delusions or hallucinations, and they are not afflicted with the anxiety or anguish that the mentally ill usually suffer.

Psychopathic Versus Antisocial Personality Disorder
Psychopathy and antisocial personality disorder are similar but not identical. Antisocial personality disorder manifests as a constellation of antisocial and criminal behaviours. Psychopathy, by contrast, refers to a cluster of deviant personality traits and behaviours that do not necessarily include criminal activity. Psychopaths, while often dabbling on the border of criminality, may never actually commit crimes for which they could be arrested, and many people who commit crimes are not psychopaths (although the majority of extremely violent criminals are).

Superficial or Glib, with Shallow Emotions
Psychopaths tend to be articulate, amusing and witty. Although they may tell stories that should be unbelievable, they have a knack for doing so in a way that causes intelligent people to believe them. However, some may peg them as overly slick or insincere, alerted by the psychopath’s use of excessive flattery to manipulate people.

The shallow emotions of the psychopath are evident in the fact that many claim to love the people they have abused or even murdered. Most abandon their spouses and children, or mistreat them if they stick around. Those that do stay part of a family unit tend to view their families as possessions, existing to create a favourable impression of the psychopath to the world, and to serve his or her needs.

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The emotional capacity of the psychopath is extremely primitive, comprising “proto-emotions,” or reactions to immediate needs rather than the depth of feeling that others experience. When trying to manipulate others into feeling sympathy for them or guilt for questioning their motives, psychopaths can be quite dramatic and forceful, but this is a smoke-and-mirrors display, designed to obscure the lack of emotional depth the psychopath possesses.

Grandiose or Egocentric
Arrogant and shameless, psychopaths tend to brag. They are very self-assured, cocky and often domineering. They push their opinions onto others and can’t understand why anyone would disagree with them. Most have big plans for making money but these plans tend to be unrealistic and vague. Often they do not match the qualifications and experience the psychopath possesses. However, psychopaths are adept at encouraging others to give them money to support these plans.

The psychopath never feels that there is anything wrong with him or with his behaviour. It is everyone else who is in the wrong. He likes himself, and would not enter therapy voluntarily for any reason other than to impress a parole board or keep a human meal ticket from leaving.

No Empathy, Remorse or Guilt
Psychopaths are incapable of feeling guilt or remorse for anything they’ve done because they can’t empathize with others. They tend to view guilt as a liability or weakness in other people, and feel that they are superior because they don’t experience it and can therefore be as ruthless as they like.

Interviewed after committing horrible crimes, many psychopaths insist that their victims deserved it or even that they did their victims a favour. They rationalize, justify or deny any wrongdoing, while perceiving themselves as victims of an unfair society.

Exaggerated Need for Excitement
Psychopaths often break laws and take serious risks because they have a greater need for excitement than most people. Driven by intense feelings of boredom and a craving for ever-increasing thrills, such risks may include abusing substances, driving dangerously, playing extreme sports and engaging in violent activities. Of course the majority of substance abusers and extreme athletes are not psychopaths, but the psychopathic personality is drawn to such activities.

Ten Subtypes
There is not a single, simple formula for identifying psychopaths, though there are certainly ways to spot high-risk individuals. Theodore Millon, a personality theorist, has identified ten psychopathy subtypes: abrasive, covetous, disingenuous, explosive, malevolent, malignant, risk-taking, spineless, tyrannical and unprincipled. Each of these types will manifest a different set of traits. However, what they all have in common is the inability to feel guilt or empathy.

A Note of Caution
When reading about psychopathy, it’s tempting to diagnose difficult friends, family members, acquaintances and coworkers with the disorder, but only a trained professional can make an accurate diagnosis. Many people have one or two psychopathic traits without being psychopathic, and those under extreme stress, suffering from mental illness or abusing substances may manifest many of the symptoms without being psychopathic by nature.



Read more at Suite101: Personality Traits of a Psychopath: Characteristics of Sociopathic Personality Disorder http://personalitydisorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/personality_traits_of_a_psychopath#ixzz0mqTA1Fki


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Post by: Edward on May 03, 2010, 12:59:35 PM

I was considering most of my friends and my other half's family members as well as all politicians and CE-O's and then I included the rulers of other nations .. when I got to the last paragraph..
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Our world is a mess.. jmho


 


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 03, 2010, 01:42:07 PM
lol edward many people do fit into the traits. A person very close to my family has the traits of a sociopath, they would not kill anyone but are very manipulative, self centered and honestly believes everything that has happened to them is the fault of everyone else! Very maddening to say the least. 

That interview with Gardner shows a man that has a very serious case. Carrie needs to be careful if she speaks to him about what happened to Amber. I am not so sure anymore it is a good idea. She might be playing right into his hands. I am afraid she may not even get the real truth but a version of the truth according to his soicopathic view point. I suspect he will even try to blame Carrie or Amber for her being there that morning. He might say something about if Amber didn't do this or if she did that, then he wouldn't have had to kill her. It is going to be an ugly twisted version I am sure. Carrie is a strong woman no one will doubt that but she is also human and is a mother. Lets just say, I thank God there will be guards there and glass seperating them. 


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Post by: labubske on May 04, 2010, 08:10:13 PM
Has this link been posted?  It is a very good link.  It has a timeline of articles, videos, it has names mentioned and so on...you can type any name in the top to search.  This is JAGs.  http://interceder.net/news/john-albert-gardner


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Post by: piwannaberookie on May 05, 2010, 01:36:10 AM
Thanks labubske, it has just about everything to know about JAG. I wish JAG was sorry for  what he did  to Amber and Chelsea, if he was really sorry he would call Carrie McGonigle up and tell her everything she wanted to know whether his lawyer told him to or not, im sure he has been watching the news i mean if he has a TV in his cell.


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Post by: sebastian on May 05, 2010, 11:49:21 AM
Gardner told the media that he would answer the families questions. I certainly hope that Carrie gets her answers. She really needs this for her own sense of closure.


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Post by: Edward on May 05, 2010, 12:36:01 PM
Have Carrie read this item please.

http://www.youth-suicide.com/gay-bisexual/homosexuality-violence/07-prison-violence.htm


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Post by: Edward on May 05, 2010, 01:27:19 PM
Also this opinion out of U.C. DAVIS.. A psychiatrist opinion

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html


It suggests Homosexual behavior in itself has little or nothing to do with child molestation.


So this is why I consider Prison and Violent Homosexual behavior and this Gardner becoming victim to such and a Slave to a master..
My point is this.. Gardner may have taken his victims to his currant Master outside of prison..

IF there is anyone involved with Gardner in the kidnaps and murder it would be this other personality that would be involved..

There is a time problem in Chelsea .. Gardner has also lied about Amber in my opinion..
That is the only reason I am considering this other Culprit.

Plus the woman from redondo beach, her body being dumped in the area where Gardner grows up more then a hundred miles away from where she was taken from bothers me still although it may have nothing to do with Gardner..But the What If's ?
I am just considering the possible.. That is all.
 


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 05, 2010, 06:30:20 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/05/amber-dubois-mother-wants-answers-from-gardner/

Now that Carie wants to meet with him, he's stalling. WTF! Guess he's not man enough to face a strong willed women.


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:20:17 AM
Warrants: Gardner stalked woman weeks after Amber's murder

SAN DIEGO (CBS8 & AP) — Police believe a registered sex offender, John Gardner, stalked a young woman on the street less than two months after he raped and murdered Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, according to search warrants unsealed Wednesday.

A police officer in Escondido identified John Albert Gardner III as the driver of a gray vehicle that followed a woman on April 2, 2009, the documents state.

The woman, perhaps 20 years old, had flagged down the officer for help and said the driver had been following her all day for no reason.

The woman left the area before the officer could ask more questions.  She has never been identified.

"The officer quickly contacted the vehicle as it tried to depart the area and identified the driver as Gardner," the warrant said without elaborating.

The warrant doesn't say where the incident took place - or what happened to Gardner - but News 8 uncovered a traffic citation written against Gardner by Escondido police on that very same day around 5 p.m.

Escondido officer Mark Noyes cited Gardner for not having a license with him and for having an open container of alcohol in the vehicle, according to the citation.

That traffic stop took place at West El Norte Parkway and Iris Lane, just half a mile from Escondido High School, which is where Amber was heading when she disappeared.  Gardner was a registered sex offender at the time.

News 8 tried to contact Escondido police to find out if the April 2, 2009 incident put Gardner higher on their radar screen regarding Amber's disappearance, but the District Attorney's office has asked law enforcement not to comment.

The warrants also said there were other incidents involving Gardner and his "association" with teenage females, including one in Escondido, perhaps in February, the same month Gardner killed 17-year-old Chelsea King.

The documents did not elaborate further on that issue.

Gardner matches the description of a man reported to be driving a Gold sedan while stalking a 16-year-old girl in Lake Elsinore on October 28, 2009.  The driver displayed a handgun and the girl ran away.

In addition, Gardner is suspected of driving a car that followed an 11-year-old girl near Bernardo Heights Middle School on February 24, 2010, the day before Chelsea King's murder, according to search warrants previously made public.

Gardner, 31, will be sentenced to life in prison without parole on May 14 after pleading guilty to raping and murdering King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who vanished while walking to school in Escondido in February 2009.

Gardner was registered to live in the north San Diego suburb from August 2008 to January 2010. He was released from prison in 2005 after serving five years of a six-year sentence for molesting a 13-year-old San Diego neighbor. He completed parole in September 2008, seven months before the alleged stalking incident.

Marc Carlos, a San Diego criminal defense attorney, said the suspected stalker could potentially have been charged, or at least detained, if the victim identified him. Without that, prosecutors would be unable to link him to the crime.

"It was a missed opportunity not because of the police but because the female didn't stay around," Carlos said. "What proof do they have that it was him?"

The warrants — unsealed by Superior Court Judge Richard Whitney on a request by news organizations including The Associated Press — said investigators turned up no evidence in a search of Gardner's phone records after King disappeared Feb. 25 while running in a San Diego park.

Gardner, in an interview that aired last week on News 8, sidestepped a question on whether he targeted other victims.

"Good try," he said and laughed.

The newly unsealed warrants said Gardner worked from August 2007 to October 2009 for Can-Do Electric Inc., an El Cajon company that does electrical work.

Bob Cantrell, president of the company, said Gardner worked as an electrician and was well-liked by his co-workers. He was hardworking, spoke up at training sessions and improved his skills during his time at the company.

"Our hearts are broken over the entire situation," Cantrell said. "We're praying for the families of the girls and for John and hoping the healing can get started."

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12431000


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:22:50 AM
video

Gardner stalked another woman 2 months after Amber
http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12431000#



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Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:25:16 AM
Document Shows John Gardner Stalked a Woman

SAN DIEGO - The admitted killer of San Diego area teenagers Chelsea King and Amber Dubois spent an entire day following a 20-year-old woman in Escondido a year ago, according to search warrants released Wednesday.

According to the warrants, an officer was flagged down by the young woman, who pointed to a gray vehicle and said the driver had been following her all day for no reason.

The officer intercepted the driver as he tried to leave and identified him as John Albert Gardner III, then went back to contact the woman to take a crime report. But she had left the area and was never identified, according to the search warrant.

Gardner, 31, had lived in Escondido from as early as August 2008 through January of this year, according to authorities.

Judge Richard Whitney today ordered four search warrants unsealed in the Gardner case.

He will be sentenced May 14 to a pair of consecutive life prison terms without the possibility of parole, plus an additional 33 years to life for assaulting a woman late last year. He pleaded guilty to both murders on April 16.

Chelsea, an avid runner and straight-A senior at Poway High School, disappeared on the afternoon of Feb. 25 after going for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The 17-year-old's body was discovered five days later in a shallow grave near a tributary of Lake Hodges. She had been strangled.

Amber was a 14-year-old freshman at Escondido High School when she vanished while walking to school in February 2009. Her skeletal remains were found last month in Pala. An autopsy determined that she had been stabbed to death.

Both teens had been raped.

Early last month, three days after Gardner was arraigned on charges of murdering Chelsea, he led authorities to Amber's body. In return, prosecutors agreed not to use his knowledge of the whereabouts of her remains against him in court.

In denying that he had specifically targeted the victims, Gardner told KFMB last week that "it wasn't about their age" and said he was on seemingly routine outings prior to the abductions.

"To calm myself, I'll go for a walk, or I'll go for a drive, just to calm down," Gardner said.

He described the impulse to attack the girls as sudden and overwhelming.

"I mean, I was aware of what I was doing, and I could not stop myself," Gardner said. "I was -- had a major rage, and (was) pissed off, and pissed off at my whole life and everybody that's hurt me. And (I) blew up, and I hurt the wrong people."

Gardner spoke remorsefully of his crimes several times during the interview.

"I hate myself," Gardner said. "I really do. There is no -- there is no taking back what I did. And if I could, yes I would. Are you kidding me? But I was out of control. If I was able to stop myself in the middle of it, I would've. And I could not. I was out of control."

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Document-Shows-John-Gardner-Stalked-a-Woman/8NDisr2ZXUqEiXrf4PRXmg.cspx


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:27:58 AM

Police Report May Have Saved Chelsea
No crime report obtained from young woman in Escondido



Could John Gardner have been taken off the streets within weeks of Amber DuBois' disappearance?

It's a question that arose after Wednesday's release of search warrants issued two days after his March 3 arraignment in the Chelsea King murder case. The court documents, sealed for the past month, indicate that stalking may have been part of Gardner's modus operandi.

Six and a half weeks after Amber went missing, according to court records, a young woman, possibly 20, flagged down an Escondido police officer to complain about a "gray vehicle" whose driver "had been following her all day for no reason."

The officer pulled him over and identified him as Gardner, but the woman had left the area before a crime report could be taken.


Could that report have led authorities to Gardne's criminal background?

"They're not idiots," Carlos said, referring to the police. "I mean, if you have a report of a sex offender stalking somebody, they're going to do something about it.... It's not a matter of being overworked. They would recognize that as being a sign of trouble, a sign of somebody who was acting out -- and do something about it."

Also included in the search warrants released Wednesday was a declaration by a sheriff's detective that noted that a witness who saw Amber walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009, the day she disappeared, was "in the company of a tall, 'doughy' male."

Gardner stands 6 feet 2 inches tall and weighs 230 pounds.

"He probably didn't whack her in the head in the middle of a residential area," said Marc Carlos, a San Diego defense attorney who has represented dozens of sex offenders. "He most likely talked her into a situation where she got in the car with him -- or at least left the area with him."

The four warrants also named nearly three dozen telephone service providers, seeking records of calls made from and to six numbers used by Gardner between August 2007 and last February. No evidence was turned up, however.

One of the six phones Gardner used, identified in the search warrants, belonged to an El Cajon firm that employed him as an electrician for more than two years, until layoffs last October.

A company official described Gardner a a hard woker, well-liked and said that nobody there was aware he was a registered sex offender.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Gardner-Search-Warrants-Cite-Apparent-Stalking-92911229.html



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:30:15 AM


Warrants: Calif. teen killer John Gardner likely stalked woman

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Newly unsealed search warrants say police believe a man who raped and murdered two San Diego-area teenage girls had stalked another young woman.

The warrants unsealed Wednesday say an officer in suburban Escondido identified John Albert Gardner III as the driver of a gray vehicle suspected of following a woman all day on April 2, 2009.

The woman, around 20 years old, had flagged down the officer for help.

The woman left the area before the officer could ask more questions and has never been identified.

The warrants say Gardner had other “associations” with teenage females but does not elaborate.

Gardner will be sentenced May 14 for the murders of 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-05-05/local-county-news/warrants-calif-teen-killer-john-gardner-likely-stalked-woman


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:31:23 AM
Amber Dubois' mother pushes for answers before sentencing

SAN DIEGO (CBS 8) - Carrie McGonigle, the mother of Amber Dubois, wants to talk to her daughter's killer John Gardner. But she says she's getting little cooperation.

McGonigle claims she's getting the runaround from law enforcement and Gardner's attorneys. She says they've told her that she can't speak with him until after sentencing, and that she was on the prison's no-visit list, which was not true.

McGonigle wants to speak with Gardner before he's sentenced next week, and she says if she's not able to meet with Gardner, she will not attend the sentencing.

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12430760


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:34:03 AM

Gardner Refuses to See Amber's Mom
She has a list of 20 questions for her daughter's killer


Carrie McGonigle, the mother of murdered teenager Amber Dubois, was turned away from a visit with her daughter's killer, John Gardner.

Gardner, 31, pleaded guilty to killing Dubois and Poway teenager Chelsea King and had said he would talk to his victim's parents if they wanted more information.

"I'm calling him out on what he said, so let's see if he does it," McGonigle said.

She called deputies on Monday, to try and get a visit, but there weren't any times available.  She called back on Tuesday several times until she said deputies went up to Gardner's cell to ask him if he'll meet with her.

"He wanted me to speak to his attorneys and he was asking deputies 'Should I or shouldn't I?' and the deputy said you just need to say yes or no, 'Do you want to meet? Yes or no? I can't give you advice,'"McGonigle said.

Gardner's attorneys told McGonigle that she couldn't meet with their client until after his sentencing on May 14.

McGonigle said Gardner eventually declined.  But she's hoping he will say yes before the sentencing when she and other family members will give their victim impact speeches.

"I've waited 15 months for answers and I want them before sentencing because it completely changes what I'm going to say at the hearing," McGonigle said."I don't want to have to hold back on my statement because of being afraid of him saying 'You know what? I'm never going to give this family the answers that they want.'"

McGonigle has a list of 20 questions for Gardner.  The number one question is "Why Amber?" She says the rest of the questions are private.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Gardner-says-No-to-Ambers-Mom-92840579.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:36:20 AM
Amber Dubois' Mom Wants Answers

ESCONDIDO--Carrie McGonigle wants to look her daughter's killer in the eyes and ask him the question she's wondered about for 15 months, "Why Amber?"

John Gardner, the confessed killer of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King, recently granted a 2.5 hour phone interview from jail to a local media outlet. As part of the conversation, he offered to talk with his victims' families.

Ever since hearing that, Carrie McGonigle has wanted to take him up on his offer. She wants answers straight from Gardner's mouth.

She used sheriff's deputies to get a message to Gardner that she was ready to talk.

"He was asking the deputies should I or shouldn't I? The deputies said you need to say--yes or no--I can't give you advice...He didn't know what to do" said McGonigle.

McGonigle said it is important she talks to Gardner now--before his sentencing.

"Right now I'm strong enough where I could ask him questions I want to ask him and I could walk away if he gets into details where I don't want to. After sentencing, I'll be an emotional wreck as well will but I also feel like I'll be desperate for answers" she said.

McGonigle continued, "I've waited 15 months for answers and I want them. And I want them before sentencing because it completely changes what I'm going to say."

She believes if Gardner has 2.5 hours to talk to a TV station, he should be able to talk with her.

She thinks Gardner is a liar, but still wants to speak with him. "I'd rather have one answer that's the truth than nothing at all. I've had nothing for 15 months."

McGonigle does not want to have a phone conversation, she wants to look Gardner straight in the eye.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-Mom-Wants-Answers/H2Z7esnKbUqiP_4dNjSTVw.cspx


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 06, 2010, 12:38:20 AM
Amber Dubois' Mother Trying To Meet With Gardner
Carrie McGonigle Says She'll Do Everything In Her Power To Meet With John Gardner Before Sentencing

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- The mother of slain teen Amber Dubois spoke to 10News on Tuesday and said she is doing everything in her power to meet with John Gardner before he is sentenced.

With only ten days left until Gardner’s sentencing, Carrie McGonigle is stopping at nothing to meet with him one-on-one before then.

“I contacted Escondido police and asked them to help me, they contacted Sheriff Gore. I contacted the DA, my attorney, everyone to try to get in,” said McGonigle. 


Eventually, she went straight to the county jail and personally asked to meet with Gardner.

“He wanted me to speak to his lawyer and he was asking the deputies, ‘Should I or shouldn’t I?’ and the deputy just said, ‘You need to just say yes or no…I can’t give you advice,’” she said.

McGonigle was turned away, but she said she can’t understand why because Gardner offered to meet with his victims’ families during a recent interview.

“So why is he hesitant now? It should be a yes or no answer for him,” she said.

If McGonigle does not get to meet with Gardner, she said she will not go to the sentencing but she will write up a victim’s sentencing.

“I’ve waited 15 months for answers and I want them and I want them before sentencing because it completely changes what I’m going to say at the hearing,” she said.

She believes what happened Tuesday is evidence of Gardner continuing to manipulate behind bars.

http://www.10news.com/news/23456887/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 06, 2010, 01:02:08 AM
Here is another traffic stop...I am looking through the different counties in CA now...and then link the dates up on the crime map.

Case LL015123JG Defendant 2510431 GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT

Filed Charges
Count    Charge    Severity    Description    Violation Date    Plea    Status
1    VC I21453(A)    I    VEHICLE STOP ON RED SIGNAL    12/12/2006    GUILTY    CONVICTED


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 06, 2010, 01:16:27 AM
Case MD18631JG Defendant 727943 GARDNER III, JOHN ANTHONY

Filed Charges
Count    Charge    Severity    Description    Violation Date    Plea    Status
1    VC I22349A    I    EXCEEDING 65 MPH    03/12/2000    GUILTY    CONVICTED
2    VC I26708A    I    OBSTRUCTING DRIVER'S VIEW    03/12/2000    GUILTY    CONVICTED


This is interesting...I know that it says John Anthony Gardner III...
GARDNER III, JOHN ANTHONY      06/1979      MD18631JG      03/20/2000      VC I22349A
GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT              04/1979      LL015123JG      12/20/2006      VC I21453(A)

I wonder if he had an alias...or someone entered this wrong...birthdays are so close...and middle name different...though the first one reads date 3/20/2000...that is when it was filed...the incident was 3/12/2000 just four days before the attack that sent him to prison the first time...thought it similar enough to at least mention.
http://170.164.31.10/openaccess/criminal/criminalnames.asp?deflastname=GARDNER&bus=N&defmidname=&deffirstname=JOHN&defdob=&courtcode=X&filedatefrom=&filedateto=&limit=50&DSN=


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 06, 2010, 01:32:35 AM
Okay so this is in Riverside...something is up with JAGs names...I wonder if he carried an altered ID?


Name     Month/Year of Birth     Case Number     Filing Date     Count 1 Charge
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT     04/1979     112535JG     02/10/2010     VC 4000A1
GARDNER, JOHN ANTHONY     06/1979     RS09693JG     03/21/2007     VC 21453A

Look at the birth dates.  Just like the one that I just posted.


Case 112535JG Defendant 2010292 GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT

Filed Charges
Count    Charge    Severity    Description    Violation Date    Plea    Status
1    VC 4000A1    I    No evidence of Current Registration    01/30/2010        ACTIVE
2    VC 16028A    I    No Proof Financial Responsibil    01/30/2010        ACTIVE


Case RS09693JG Defendant 330486 GARDNER, JOHN ANTHONY

Filed Charges
Count    Charge    Severity    Description    Violation Date    Plea    Status
1    VC 21453A    I    Fail to Obey Red Signal/Light    02/13/2007        DISMISSED

http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov/OpenAccess/criminal/DefendantCharges.asp?courtcode=C&casenumber=RS09693JG&otnmseq=0&defseq=1&defnbr=330486&dsn=



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: cookie on May 06, 2010, 07:53:52 AM
why was this idiot still roaming our streets??? ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 06, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
This guy slipped through the cracks OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN! It is amazing and so disgusting! I still want to know if he attended the AA meetings at 7 am in the church by the high school!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 06, 2010, 12:42:16 PM
Have Carrie read this item please.

http://www.youth-suicide.com/gay-bisexual/homosexuality-violence/07-prison-violence.htm

Hi Edward,
I will try, but she has been super busy and I don't think she has read here much lately.


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Post by: Edward on May 06, 2010, 02:16:05 PM
She was the one asking for a possible accomplice.. It means nothing if he did not have an accomplice.

One thing is for sure..
I doubt Amber was dead in an hour and a half and
I doubt Chelsea was dead shortly after he encountered her.

He lies.
WHY ?




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: piwannaberookie on May 07, 2010, 12:29:52 AM
Okay so this is in Riverside...something is up with JAGs names...I wonder if he carried an altered ID?


Name     Month/Year of Birth     Case Number     Filing Date     Count 1 Charge
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT     04/1979     112535JG     02/10/2010     VC 4000A1
GARDNER, JOHN ANTHONY     06/1979     RS09693JG     03/21/2007     VC 21453A

Look at the birth dates.  Just like the one that I just posted.


Case 112535JG Defendant 2010292 GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT

Filed Charges
Count    Charge    Severity    Description    Violation Date    Plea    Status
1    VC 4000A1    I    No evidence of Current Registration    01/30/2010        ACTIVE
2    VC 16028A    I    No Proof Financial Responsibil    01/30/2010        ACTIVE


Case RS09693JG Defendant 330486 GARDNER, JOHN ANTHONY

Filed Charges
Count    Charge    Severity    Description    Violation Date    Plea    Status
1    VC 21453A    I    Fail to Obey Red Signal/Light    02/13/2007        DISMISSED

http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov/OpenAccess/criminal/DefendantCharges.asp?courtcode=C&casenumber=RS09693JG&otnmseq=0&defseq=1&defnbr=330486&dsn=



whoa, i can't believe he has another middle name he uses... Wow... Good job with that one. Who would have thought he would go that far? and if you click "actions and minutes" it said he was going to use "internet" traffic schooling, isn't that during the time he was on parole and wasn't supposed to be using the internet? the date being 2/13/2007 and 3/21/2007...oh well not like they would have checked it out anyway, he did pay the $416 fine though, but the case was "dismissed"...why did he run the red light in the first place and that being it was same date and month he took Amber, is that a coincidence?


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Post by: labubske on May 07, 2010, 02:14:44 AM
Okay so this is in Riverside...something is up with JAGs names...I wonder if he carried an altered ID?


Name     Month/Year of Birth     Case Number     Filing Date     Count 1 Charge
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT     04/1979     112535JG     02/10/2010     VC 4000A1
GARDNER, JOHN ANTHONY     06/1979     RS09693JG     03/21/2007     VC 21453A

Look at the birth dates.  Just like the one that I just posted.


Case 112535JG Defendant 2010292 GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT

Filed Charges
Count    Charge    Severity    Description    Violation Date    Plea    Status
1    VC 4000A1    I    No evidence of Current Registration    01/30/2010        ACTIVE
2    VC 16028A    I    No Proof Financial Responsibil    01/30/2010        ACTIVE


Case RS09693JG Defendant 330486 GARDNER, JOHN ANTHONY

Filed Charges
Count    Charge    Severity    Description    Violation Date    Plea    Status
1    VC 21453A    I    Fail to Obey Red Signal/Light    02/13/2007        DISMISSED

http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov/OpenAccess/criminal/DefendantCharges.asp?courtcode=C&casenumber=RS09693JG&otnmseq=0&defseq=1&defnbr=330486&dsn=



whoa, i can't believe he has another middle name he uses... Wow... Good job with that one. Who would have thought he would go that far? and if you click "actions and minutes" it said he was going to use "internet" traffic schooling, isn't that during the time he was on parole and wasn't supposed to be using the internet? the date being 2/13/2007 and 3/21/2007...oh well not like they would have checked it out anyway, he did pay the $416 fine though, but the case was "dismissed"...why did he run the red light in the first place and that being it was same date and month he took Amber, is that a coincidence?
Well, I'm not certain that John Anthony Gardner III is actually John Albert Gardner III, but it's interesting that the dates of birth are both 1979 and one is 4 and one is 6...and this is in Riverside (paired) and in San Diego (paired).  That is eerie about 2/13...I believe that he stalked girls and women (maybe guys), he was on the road A LOT!  I didn't click further to see that he was going to use internet traffic school...what a shame, guess the laws are more "technical" then anything...I believe he did have many names.  Just like his myspace page...when I found that...I just knew it was him...Jason Stud...everything about that page pointed to him.  I am sure that there is more online too.  We just haven't found it yet.  He was a stalker...even though he denies that.  He planned these murders.  He probably already had the place set up when he took Chelsea.  I don't believe Amber was his first murder.  I wouldn't doubt that he drove down to Tijuana and did some things there.  He lived in his truck for awhile, it sounds...so, what's to say that he didn't travel around?  It seemed as though he had an awful lot of shovels too.  I'm still looking for stuff.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 07, 2010, 02:41:15 AM
not sure if I am allowed to put this up...but I am wondering if this is JAG.  Looks like last access was February of 2007...he would have been 29, which is the stated age.  (Not that he wouldn't lie)  Possible. en.netlog.com/eviljason I didn't make it a link.


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Post by: sebastian on May 07, 2010, 05:40:02 PM
She was the one asking for a possible accomplice.. It means nothing if he did not have an accomplice.

One thing is for sure..
I doubt Amber was dead in an hour and a half and
I doubt Chelsea was dead shortly after he encountered her.

He lies.
WHY ?




I think he lies because he has no conscience. It is all a big game for him. He thinks he is smarter than LE as well. He goes on and on in his interview about all of the mistakes that LE made. So typical that his victims were young girls. Maybe now, in prison, he will be able to take on someone his own size. I don't think it will work out well for him. He is not a man, he is a little arrogant bully in a mans "doughy" body.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 07, 2010, 05:50:31 PM
doughy body  ::MonkeyDevil:: that made me chuckle. Remember the witness saying that? He was doughy. I hope he becomes someones wife in prison



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Post by: sebastian on May 07, 2010, 09:50:56 PM
doughy body  ::MonkeyDevil:: that made me chuckle. Remember the witness saying that? He was doughy. I hope he becomes someones wife in prison



I don't think he is going to last very long in prison. I think it is so perfect that he will now have to watch his back every second of every day and night. He is a big "doughy" wimp who went after sweet, innocent teenage girls. He will not have the stomach to wait and watch every minute. Someone will take him out or he will do it to himself. He is a huge coward! So typical that he goes on and on about remorse etc. Tells the media that he will only answer questions to the family members. Then Carrie, one of his victims mothers, goes to the jail and what does he do? He asks one of the guards "should I or shouldn't I"? Of course, he does not meet with her. He thinks he has power and he thinks he is really smart. He has nothing but thousands and thousands of minutes to wait and watch. His question should be "Will they or won't they" with regards to someone taking him out of this world. Personally, I hope he lasts a long long time. The waiting will be torture for him. Isolation may be the best thing for him. If he cannot be around other people, he will surely go insane. After all, he thinks he is so damn smart, how boring not to have anyone to share his wealth of knowledge with. It galls me to no end that he slipped through the cracks over and over and over. I wonder if it has anything to do with his mother? If his mother was a poor, uneducated person on Government assistance, I wonder if they would have hauled his fat butt in. I just wonder if she vouched for him and said that she would watch out for him? After all, she is a psyche nurse! I am sorry to go on and on. The whole thing makes me so sick to my stomach!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 07, 2010, 10:01:37 PM
If anyone has any ideas how he got Amber in the car, please share them. I know that sicko liar is going to probably tell Carrie a big bunch of fat lies, if and when he ever agrees to meet with her. I think he parked his car and walked up behind her and told her he had a gun. Why someone did not see it, I do not know. What I do know is that there is no way that Amber got in the car with him voluntarily. Carrie had just had a conversation with Amber a week or so before it happened. Carrie had heard about the attempted abductions in Poway. Amber was very very smart. The sicko had to have told her he had a weapon! I also do not believe that his victims were random as he proclaims. I think he had watched Amber for a while. Then he has the gull to state that if Amber had ridden a bus she would be alive. Unbelievable. Try to push the blame onto the parents and the victim. Yeah, it was Amber and her parents fault that Amber, a 14 year old high school student, walked a short distance through a residential neighborhood to school in broad daylight with tons of traffic around. He is a giant piece of sick garbage!


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Post by: piwannaberookie on May 08, 2010, 01:09:21 AM
i know i shouldn't say this but it kind of relates to what you were talking about Sebastian, he probably subdued her in public with a weapon... that is so sick if he did that. I mean if someone were to come behind me and hurt me with a weapon and tell me to get in a car with that person I would probably get in the car...Then again his mom is a nurse or something like that, he could have taken a syringe with some kind of drug from her, maybe one that makes you feel sleepy, I can't think of any right now. I wonder if he knew any drug dealers on the streets, or maybe a pharmacy technician at his mom's work had given Gardner some kind of medication that could have been used to get Amber in his car.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 08, 2010, 01:28:46 AM
If anyone has any ideas how he got Amber in the car, please share them. I know that sicko liar is going to probably tell Carrie a big bunch of fat lies, if and when he ever agrees to meet with her. I think he parked his car and walked up behind her and told her he had a gun. Why someone did not see it, I do not know. What I do know is that there is no way that Amber got in the car with him voluntarily. Carrie had just had a conversation with Amber a week or so before it happened. Carrie had heard about the attempted abductions in Poway. Amber was very very smart. The sicko had to have told her he had a weapon! I also do not believe that his victims were random as he proclaims. I think he had watched Amber for a while. Then he has the gull to state that if Amber had ridden a bus she would be alive. Unbelievable. Try to push the blame onto the parents and the victim. Yeah, it was Amber and her parents fault that Amber, a 14 year old high school student, walked a short distance through a residential neighborhood to school in broad daylight with tons of traffic around. He is a giant piece of sick garbage!

With the reports of a man, that fits Gardners description, pulling up to a child and showing her a gun and telling her to get into the car...then I believe that he lead Amber to believe that he had a weapon, knife or gun (he admits to having a knife that day).  He didn't necessarily have to show it to her, he probably walked in behind her and said i have a gun if you scream then ___________.  I would like to say that I would run, scream, make a scene in this situation...but I really don't know...maybe I would freeze and everything that I had ever been taught would be gone...and I too am a very smart person (well, I like to think I am).  She may have froze.  Who knows what the sicko said.  He was experienced at this...imo.  I believe that he followed her around and knew the best time to approach her...even though it was busy...he still had a plan.  Reports say she was walking quickly...I think I read that it was misting or cold or something...was she walking quickly when he was with her?  Or was that reported as her walking quickly by herself?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 08, 2010, 01:56:35 AM
Perhaps she was walking quickly because he had been following her. There was a report he followed a girl home from school. I think he took Amber much in the way he attempted to take the other girls.
I don't believe it was random, I don't believe him when he says that. I find it too much of a coincidence amber was a similar type to his mother.


There are other victims out there, I think it is obvious. Now it is time for LE and the DA to step up the plate and get justice for all of his victims. Somewhere there maybe another dead teenaged girl, buried along some lonely trail and her family is wondering where she is. I would hope they are very seriously investigating and continue to interrogate dough boy.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 08, 2010, 11:58:14 AM
Perhaps she was walking quickly because he had been following her. There was a report he followed a girl home from school. I think he took Amber much in the way he attempted to take the other girls.
I don't believe it was random, I don't believe him when he says that. I find it too much of a coincidence amber was a similar type to his mother.


There are other victims out there, I think it is obvious. Now it is time for LE and the DA to step up the plate and get justice for all of his victims. Somewhere there maybe another dead teenaged girl, buried along some lonely trail and her family is wondering where she is. I would hope they are very seriously investigating and continue to interrogate dough boy.

I agree totally Tracy! I too think that there are other victims out there. When asked by the reporter if there were other victims out there, wouldn't a normal response be "thankfully, no". He just laughs and says "Nice try". If there are other victims, he will dangle them out there when it suits his purpose. I am sure that he will use them for extras in prison. I really do not think that he will be able to keep his ugly trap closed about them. He will eventually want the credit and use it when it suits his purpose. I went into the missing persons website yesterday and searched for missing teens in the San Diego and Riverside county site. I did not find any in the last two years that looked like it could be connected.  I need to try San Bernardino county as well. Then of course there is the problem with the age group. Some of the missing teens may be thought to have left on their own because of previous problems and the like. Does anyone remember if the girl in Lake Elsinore that "DOUGH BOY" attempted to kidnap was hispanic? That could open this up to a whole different search group.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 08, 2010, 12:17:49 PM
Perhaps she was walking quickly because he had been following her. There was a report he followed a girl home from school. I think he took Amber much in the way he attempted to take the other girls.
I don't believe it was random, I don't believe him when he says that. I find it too much of a coincidence amber was a similar type to his mother.


There are other victims out there, I think it is obvious. Now it is time for LE and the DA to step up the plate and get justice for all of his victims. Somewhere there maybe another dead teenaged girl, buried along some lonely trail and her family is wondering where she is. I would hope they are very seriously investigating and continue to interrogate dough boy.

I agree totally Tracy! I too think that there are other victims out there. When asked by the reporter if there were other victims out there, wouldn't a normal response be "thankfully, no". He just laughs and says "Nice try". If there are other victims, he will dangle them out there when it suits his purpose. I am sure that he will use them for extras in prison. I really do not think that he will be able to keep his ugly trap closed about them. He will eventually want the credit and use it when it suits his purpose. I went into the missing persons website yesterday and searched for missing teens in the San Diego and Riverside county site. I did not find any in the last two years that looked like it could be connected.  I need to try San Bernardino county as well. Then of course there is the problem with the age group. Some of the missing teens may be thought to have left on their own because of previous problems and the like. Does anyone remember if the girl in Lake Elsinore that "DOUGH BOY" attempted to kidnap was hispanic? That could open this up to a whole different search group.
This has been throwing me off...there are quite a few hispanic girls missing or "runaways" in the surrounding areas...also Tijuana isn't far away.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 08, 2010, 01:46:49 PM
We already recorded another possible victim..

It was the skull found by the dog.

Also I have been trying to establish that the body of the woman kidnapped in Redondo Beach being found where it was may also be a victim of Gardner and his accomplice..
That person " possible accomplice" is in jail.. Being held and on trial for that woman's murder.
 Maybe Amber and Chelsea are just a method of Gardner getting back to his best friend and lover in Prison.. The possible accomplice ???

As far as how he got Amber into his vehicle is either by threat or by force..
I am tired of going over that.

Good luck


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 08, 2010, 03:53:15 PM
Perhaps she was walking quickly because he had been following her. There was a report he followed a girl home from school. I think he took Amber much in the way he attempted to take the other girls.
I don't believe it was random, I don't believe him when he says that. I find it too much of a coincidence amber was a similar type to his mother.


There are other victims out there, I think it is obvious. Now it is time for LE and the DA to step up the plate and get justice for all of his victims. Somewhere there maybe another dead teenaged girl, buried along some lonely trail and her family is wondering where she is. I would hope they are very seriously investigating and continue to interrogate dough boy.

I agree totally Tracy! I too think that there are other victims out there. When asked by the reporter if there were other victims out there, wouldn't a normal response be "thankfully, no". He just laughs and says "Nice try". If there are other victims, he will dangle them out there when it suits his purpose. I am sure that he will use them for extras in prison. I really do not think that he will be able to keep his ugly trap closed about them. He will eventually want the credit and use it when it suits his purpose. I went into the missing persons website yesterday and searched for missing teens in the San Diego and Riverside county site. I did not find any in the last two years that looked like it could be connected.  I need to try San Bernardino county as well. Then of course there is the problem with the age group. Some of the missing teens may be thought to have left on their own because of previous problems and the like. Does anyone remember if the girl in Lake Elsinore that "DOUGH BOY" attempted to kidnap was hispanic? That could open this up to a whole different search group.
This has been throwing me off...there are quite a few hispanic girls missing or "runaways" in the surrounding areas...also Tijuana isn't far away.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 08, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Some of the missing hispanic girls posters in the area state that they could be traveling with a man. I wonder if someone saw these girls with a man and then everyone assumed that the girl had a boyfriend that the family and friends did not know about. Remember in the beginning when Amber went missing? People assumed that she had a boyfriend because of the "doughy" guy seen with her. Some thought because of this that she had a boyfriend that the family did not know about and voluntarily left with him. Now it appears that "DOUGHBOY" was Gardner. I wonder how many other scenarios are out there just like Amber's?


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Post by: labubske on May 08, 2010, 04:56:02 PM
Some of the missing hispanic girls posters in the area state that they could be traveling with a man. I wonder if someone saw these girls with a man and then everyone assumed that the girl had a boyfriend that the family and friends did not know about. Remember in the beginning when Amber went missing? People assumed that she had a boyfriend because of the "doughy" guy seen with her. Some thought because of this that she had a boyfriend that the family did not know about and voluntarily left with him. Now it appears that "DOUGHBOY" was Gardner. I wonder how many other scenarios are out there just like Amber's?

I have been thinking the same thing...especially one case of a girl last seen getting in a light color car with a guy...it was assumed that she ran off.  I have to look through my notes to find the case name.  I'm moving so it may be a bit.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 08, 2010, 09:20:14 PM
Here is a possibility...especially with Gardner living out of his truck...did he head south to Tijuana?  Does he have victims there?
Here is a warning posted about Tijuana...
Hey, Europeans!!

It's cool to let your kids wander off a bit in Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia, la la la

Not so in Tijuana,
If you have a child under the age of 25, keep a close eye on them....for real

pedophiles come to Tijuana looking for kids/victims and sex-trafficking of all kinds goes on here.

 link:http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/North_America/Mexico/Estado_de_Baja_California_Norte/Tijuana-923759/Warnings_or_Dangers-Tijuana-Fraud_Crime-BR-1.html


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Post by: AmbersMom on May 09, 2010, 04:59:22 AM
Hi Monkey's that was a lot of reading to catch up on. I want to thank all of you for your continue help and support during the last 15 months.
Edward, What the heck is wrong with you, posting something for me to read, pick up the damn phone and call me..Ya ya I'm always busy , but one thing I know about you, your not shy! If you need to chat with me tell me to shut up, sit down and listen to you, after I curse you for talking to me that way, I will listen!

Today is Mother's Day and I am going to head to the jail in a few hours and see if JAG will speak to me. I doubt he will talk to me It is clear he is a complete wimp! I am looking for any idea's of what I should have the guard tell him in regards to it being Mothers Day, feel free to throw out any idea's.

Wish me luck! By the way this is the first time I am going to the jail, some media group reported incorrectly.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 09, 2010, 09:18:42 AM
Hi Monkey's that was a lot of reading to catch up on. I want to thank all of you for your continue help and support during the last 15 months.
Edward, What the heck is wrong with you, posting something for me to read, pick up the damn phone and call me..Ya ya I'm always busy , but one thing I know about you, your not shy! If you need to chat with me tell me to shut up, sit down and listen to you, after I curse you for talking to me that way, I will listen!

Today is Mother's Day and I am going to head to the jail in a few hours and see if JAG will speak to me. I doubt he will talk to me It is clear he is a complete wimp! I am looking for any idea's of what I should have the guard tell him in regards to it being Mothers Day, feel free to throw out any idea's.

Wish me luck! By the way this is the first time I am going to the jail, some media group reported incorrectly.
I don't have any ideas I'm sorry, but I want to tell you my thoughts and prayers are with you. What ever answers you need from this horrible monster, I pray you get them    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 09, 2010, 01:06:33 PM
How about Amber's mother wants her Mothers day answers. Amber's Mother still wants to hear her daughter say "Happy Mothers day, mom", but has been denied that too. Amber's Mother wants some Mothers day justice.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 09, 2010, 04:49:26 PM
Hi Monkey's that was a lot of reading to catch up on. I want to thank all of you for your continue help and support during the last 15 months.
Edward, What the heck is wrong with you, posting something for me to read, pick up the damn phone and call me..Ya ya I'm always busy , but one thing I know about you, your not shy! If you need to chat with me tell me to shut up, sit down and listen to you, after I curse you for talking to me that way, I will listen!

Today is Mother's Day and I am going to head to the jail in a few hours and see if JAG will speak to me. I doubt he will talk to me It is clear he is a complete wimp! I am looking for any idea's of what I should have the guard tell him in regards to it being Mothers Day, feel free to throw out any idea's.

Wish me luck! By the way this is the first time I am going to the jail, some media group reported incorrectly.

(((((((((hugs))))))))) to you today and always Carrie. I awoke this morning and thought of you and sent prayers your ways. I am so sorry that Amber is not with you today in body, but I know she is there with you in spirit. A mother and child's bond cannot ever be broken.

I am not sure if you have left yet but if you want answers from this man then I suggest  the focus to be about him. He wants control so make him feel he has it. Be careful though and please if it gets ugly then end it. I don't know if he would give you the truth because the truth is his way to control. I hope you get the answers you are looking for.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 09, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
You are Outstanding Carrie.  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 11, 2010, 12:32:35 AM
SAN DIEGO (CBS8 & AP) — Police believe a registered sex offender, John Gardner, stalked a young woman on the street less than two months after he raped and murdered Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, according to search warrants unsealed Wednesday.

A police officer in Escondido identified John Albert Gardner III as the driver of a gray vehicle that followed a woman on April 2, 2009, the documents state.

The woman, perhaps 20 years old, had flagged down the officer for help and said the driver had been following her all day for no reason.

The woman left the area before the officer could ask more questions.  She has never been identified.

"The officer quickly contacted the vehicle as it tried to depart the area and identified the driver as Gardner," the warrant said without elaborating.

The warrant doesn't say where the incident took place - or what happened to Gardner - but News 8 uncovered a traffic citation written against Gardner by Escondido police on that very same day around 5 p.m.

Escondido officer Mark Noyes cited Gardner for not having a license with him and for having an open container of alcohol in the vehicle, according to the citation.

That traffic stop took place at West El Norte Parkway and Iris Lane, just half a mile from Escondido High School, which is where Amber was heading when she disappeared.  Gardner was a registered sex offender at the time.

News 8 tried to contact Escondido police to find out if the April 2, 2009 incident put Gardner higher on their radar screen regarding Amber's disappearance, but the District Attorney's office has asked law enforcement not to comment.

The warrants also said there were other incidents involving Gardner and his "association" with teenage females, including one in Escondido, perhaps in February, the same month Gardner killed 17-year-old Chelsea King.

The documents did not elaborate further on that issue.

Gardner matches the description of a man reported to be driving a Gold sedan while stalking a 16-year-old girl in Lake Elsinore on October 28, 2009.  The driver displayed a handgun and the girl ran away.

In addition, Gardner is suspected of driving a car that followed an 11-year-old girl near Bernardo Heights Middle School on February 24, 2010, the day before Chelsea King's murder, according to search warrants previously made public.

Gardner, 31, will be sentenced to life in prison without parole on May 14 after pleading guilty to raping and murdering King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who vanished while walking to school in Escondido in February 2009.

Gardner was registered to live in the north San Diego suburb from August 2008 to January 2010. He was released from prison in 2005 after serving five years of a six-year sentence for molesting a 13-year-old San Diego neighbor. He completed parole in September 2008, seven months before the alleged stalking incident.

Marc Carlos, a San Diego criminal defense attorney, said the suspected stalker could potentially have been charged, or at least detained, if the victim identified him. Without that, prosecutors would be unable to link him to the crime.

"It was a missed opportunity not because of the police but because the female didn't stay around," Carlos said. "What proof do they have that it was him?"

The warrants — unsealed by Superior Court Judge Richard Whitney on a request by news organizations including The Associated Press — said investigators turned up no evidence in a search of Gardner's phone records after King disappeared Feb. 25 while running in a San Diego park.

Gardner, in an interview that aired last week on News 8, sidestepped a question on whether he targeted other victims.

"Good try," he said and laughed.

The newly unsealed warrants said Gardner worked from August 2007 to October 2009 for Can-Do Electric Inc., an El Cajon company that does electrical work.

Bob Cantrell, president of the company, said Gardner worked as an electrician and was well-liked by his co-workers. He was hardworking, spoke up at training sessions and improved his skills during his time at the company.

"Our hearts are broken over the entire situation," Cantrell said. "We're praying for the families of the girls and for John and hoping the healing can get started."

 


If this has already been posted, I apologize. I wonder if this was the woman that we heard about months and months ago that was supposed to have looked like Amber? Does anyone else remember this? Apparently he was stopped on the same day with an open container of alcohol and no license. Once again, he was not taken in????? Unbelievable!!!! Smoking pot with another sex offender and not taken in?????I have said it before and I know I sound like a broken record, but JUST HOW MANY TIMES DID HE FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS??????


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 11, 2010, 02:11:08 AM
The driver displayed a handgun

Most likely way to get Amber in the car too..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 11, 2010, 11:34:28 AM
This is what ticks me off so much regarding the sex offender registry lists. They do not tell you a thing. They should display their full records, including traffic stops etc. When they were looking for Amber's possible abductor, did they run current records on the offenders in Escondido? If so, you would think that Gardner would have stood out like a sore thumb. So, Gardner was obviously a drinker and a pot smoker. Did he have to attend mandatory AA classes? Were those classes at the church on Broadway at 7 am? I am sorry, I know that LE is underpaid, overworked, and under appreciated, but the more that comes out about Gardner in these warrants, the madder I get. Did they check Gardner's DMV to see what kind of vehicles that he drove? Did they match this against other reports of attempted abductions? LE and the District Attorney kept saying that they did not want to release any information to protect the family members. REALLY? Did they want to protect the family members or themselves? Was Gardner high on their suspect list but because of all of the stupid, rediculous laws that protect people like him, were their hands tied? All I can say is that in November, when it is time to vote, know how your elected officials vote with regards to these sick criminals. Check their voting habits. Are they liberal and feel sorry for these monsters? It is the only way that we can stop this madness. Dump the bleeding hearts that protect these pathetic pieces of chit!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 11, 2010, 01:04:04 PM
I really think Escondido Police screwed up this case so badly. I think up until the time Amber was finally found, they considered her to have run away. They all need to be held accountable and answer to why JAG was let off the hook so many times and why they didn't take Amber's missing seriously. It is a tragedy. I hope they face an internal investigation due to their lack of abilities to properly investigate this case.

I don't care if they consider themselves over worked, under paid, under appreciated, we trust  and expect them to protect and serve our communities. If they don't want to do the job then they should find something else.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on May 11, 2010, 07:30:39 PM
This was probably posted before:

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_e30272d2-4319-5202-956a-71c82ec81e81.html

REGION: Details released on two other Gardner traffic violations

Pot possession while on parole detailed


By CHRIS NICHOLS - cnichols@nctimes.com | Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:53 pm

Three months before John Albert Gardner III's parole ended in September 2008, he pleaded guilty to a marijuana possession charge stemming from an Escondido traffic stop.

A parole review was triggered, but it did not land Gardner, a registered sex offender, back in prison, as some drug crimes can.

Gardner was cited for having less than an ounce of pot. State prison officials have said Gardner's violations were minor compared to other parolee offenses.

Reincarcerating parolees for possessing a small amount of pot and similar crimes would overwhelm the system, they have said.

Gardner paid $550 in fines to resolve the misdemeanor pot possession.

San Diego Superior Court released details Monday about the Escondido traffic stop from June 25, 2008, and a speeding ticket Gardner received in 2007.

Gardner, who spent six years in prison for sexually assaulting a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo in 2000, is charged with the rape and murder of Poway teen Chelsea King.

He is a suspect in the death of Amber Dubois, an Escondido teen.

The remains of both North County girls were found early this month in separate graves.

Over the past three years, Gardner was stopped at least seven times in San Diego and Riverside counties for traffic violations.

He drove at least four separate cars, including one matching a vehicle involved in a 2009 Lake Elsinore attempted child abduction, according to officials and court records.

Below is a list of Gardner's known traffic violations, including details of the violations that were released Monday:

-- Jan. 30, 2010: cited for expired registration and no proof of insurance in Lake Elsinore during a DUI checkpoint. He was driving a black 2002 Nissan Sentra at Corydon and Cereal streets.

-- June 11, 2009: cited for driving without insurance north of Escondido on Interstate 15 near West Lilac Road. Gardner was driving a gold 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix north of Escondido. That car matches the description of a vehicle used in an attempted child abduction reported Oct. 28, 2009, in Lake Elsinore. A car of similar make and model was seized Thursday from an Escondido junk yard and taken to a city holding facility.

-- April 2, 2009: cited for having an open container of alcohol, driving without a license and without a front license plate in Escondido on El Norte Parkway at North Iris Lane. Gardner was driving a gray, four-door Ford Focus at the time. The year of the car was not noted on the citation.

-- Nov. 19, 2008: cited for misdemeanor marijuana possession while driving in Oceanside near Buccaneer Park. Gardner was driving a white 2004 Chevrolet Silverado truck at the time.

-- June 25, 2008: cited for misdemeanor marijuana possession while driving on North Rock Springs Road in Escondido. Gardner was driving a 2005 Hyundai Elantra, registered to his stepfather, Kevin O'Reilly.

-- Jan. 11, 2007: cited for speeding in excess of 70 mph on northbound Interstate 15 north of Old Highway 395. Gardner was driving a white 2004 Chevrolet pickup.

Gardner faced hundreds of dollars in fines in each case. Three of his cases have been forwarded to collections because the fines were unpaid, a court spokeswoman said.

She did not specify which cases were outstanding.

Gardner is listed as an Escondido resident, living at a Rock Springs East apartment complex, on the citations from November 2008 and June and April 2009.

The complex is less than two miles from Escondido High School. Amber Dubois vanished Feb. 13, 2009, while walking to the school. She was 14 and a freshman.

Gardner's residence on the June 25, 2008, citation is listed as 17559 Matinal Road in Rancho Bernardo. That was his parents' address until they recently moved.

His address on the Jan. 11, 2007, citation was 10460 Maya Linda Road, San Diego, across from Miramar College.

After a parole review in September 2007, Gardner was ordered to move from that address because living there violated Jessica's Law, which requires sex offenders to live at least 2,000 feet from schools and parks.

Police and prosecutors have refused to comment about anything related to Gardner over the past week, citing a recent court-issued gag order.

Gardner remains in custody without bail.

Call staff writer Chris Nichols at 760-740-5426.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 11, 2010, 09:58:16 PM
 Like I said Klaas, the more that comes out the madder I get. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 12, 2010, 11:16:40 AM
Mother of Murdered Teen Tries To Visit Daughter's Killer
Submitted by WDEF News 12 and CBS on May 12, 2010 - 8:26am. News

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The mother of murdered teenager Amber Dubois tried to visit her daughter’s killer on Tuesday  but didn’t get the chance.

Carrie McGonigle asked the mother of John Albert Gardner III to give up her visiting time so she could speak to him. Gardner’s mother entered the jail lobby without speaking to McGonigle.

Visiting hours on Tuesday  was McGonigle's last chance to face her daughter's killer before his sentencing on Friday

Gardner admitted to abducting Dubois and then raping and killing her in February of 2009. He also admitted to the rape and murder of Chelsea King February 25, 2010.

On Friday, Gardner will receive two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 12, 2010, 11:22:08 AM
Mother of Murdered Teen Tries To Visit Daughter's Killer
Submitted by WDEF News 12 and CBS on May 12, 2010 - 8:26am. News

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The mother of murdered teenager Amber Dubois tried to visit her daughter’s killer on Tuesday  but didn’t get the chance.

Carrie McGonigle asked the mother of John Albert Gardner III to give up her visiting time so she could speak to him. Gardner’s mother entered the jail lobby without speaking to McGonigle.

Visiting hours on Tuesday  was McGonigle's last chance to face her daughter's killer before his sentencing on Friday

Gardner admitted to abducting Dubois and then raping and killing her in February of 2009. He also admitted to the rape and murder of Chelsea King February 25, 2010.

On Friday, Gardner will receive two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


There is a video that goes with this link. I do not know how to bring it over. I am sitting here shaking after watching the video. It was Carrie's last chance to see Gardner before the sentencing and his %%&^&* mother would not give up her visit even though she has taken up most of his visitation time throughout this whole ordeal. Once again, Cathy Osborn, Gardner's mother is shielding and protecting and enabling her monster of a son.  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 12, 2010, 11:31:59 AM
Unless you want to get really mad, do not watch the video. I am shaking and am trying to force myself to go to work now. I cannot believe how selfish Gardner's family is. When his sister started pushing Carrie in the video, I thought I would jump out of my skin. Gardner only has two visitation days a week. Here is my synopsis, just my opinion. Gardner, "DOUGHBOY" being the coddled little wimp that he is, could not handle meeting Carrie. After all she is a woman, not a teen age girl. He cried about it to his mommy and she booked up all of his visitation so that Carrie could not get in to see him. Cathy Osborn had the chance to do the right thing and does not do it! Instead, she and her sisters act like Carrie is the bad guy and they are helpless victims in a situation that they had no control over. IT IS BEYOND SELFISH! T


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 12, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
I just wanted to say that "the apple does not fall far from the tree" where Cathy Osborn and her son are concerned.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 12, 2010, 11:47:05 AM
The mother of slain Escondido teenager Amber Dubois tried to talk to the mother of her daughter's killer Tuesday afternoon ---- but was quickly rebuffed in a brief and tense exchange outside of a downtown San Diego jail.

On the sidewalk outside of the jail lobby, Carrie McGonigle approached the mother of John Albert Gardner III to ask the woman to give up her half-hour slot of visiting time Tuesday so McGonigle could meet with Gardner before his sentencing on Friday.

Gardner's mother, Catherine Osborn, began crying and buried her head into the arms of a female companion whose identity is unclear.

"I just want to visit with your son," McGonigle said, as Osborn and the other woman walked toward the jail.

"Excuse me," Osborn's companion said, and put up her hands and lightly pushed McGonigle back.

"Don't touch me," McGonigle said to the woman. "I will hit you."

"Stay away from her," the woman said.

"I'm not here to harass you," McGonigle said. "I want to talk to your son and find out why he murdered my daughter."

The two women entered the jail lobby without speaking further to McGonigle. Waiting for them inside was a third woman, Osborn's daughter.

Visiting hours Tuesday were McGonigle's last chance to face her daughter's killer before Friday's hearing. Even if Osborn had approved the swap, there is no guarantee McGonigle could have visited the inmate.

Now, she is pinning her hopes on the long odds that Gardner will at least talk to her by phone before the sentencing.

"I fought for what I believe in, I fought to try to see him," she said. "I did everything I could to try to see him. So, I guess I have to trust his lawyers when they tell me that they will try to set up something."

Gardner admitted to raping and killing Amber, 14, shortly after abducting her on Feb. 13, 2009. He has also admitted to the rape and murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King on Feb. 25, 2010.

On Friday, Gardner, 31, is scheduled to receive two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole for the two slayings.

A registered sex offender since 2000, Gardner also is expected to draw an additional sentence of 30 years to life for attacking another woman in December, an attempt to rape her on the same Lake Hodges-area running trail where he would snatch Chelsea, 17, on a sunny afternoon two months later.

Amber's whereabouts remained a mystery for a year, until shortly after Gardner's arrest for killing Chelsea. Once he was in jail, Gardner admitted he killed Amber and led authorities to the remote Pala location where he had buried Amber.

McGonigle said she wants to talk to Gardner to get some sense of closure.

"Amber was hooked to my hip," McGonigle said of her relationship with her daughter. "It was her and I for so many years, just the two of us. She was my daughter and my best friend."

McGonigle wants to know how Gardner got his hands on her daughter as the girl walked to Escondido High School on a crowded street moments before classes started.

For McGonigle, Tuesday's rejection by Osborn was "selfish" but not a surprise.

A day earlier, Osborn had met with her son during visiting hours ---- and McGonigle waited outside the jail to ask Osborn if she could have the Tuesday visiting slot with Gardner. But she said that when she tried to approach Osborn, Osborn and her daughter took off running, hopped in her car and fled.

And before spotting Osborn on Tuesday, Osborn's daughter passed McGonigle on the street. Surrounded by reporters, the daughter ---- who is believed to be Gardner's half sister ---- did not break her swift stride but spoke briefly when reporters asked her if she had any comment.

"I have to say sorry, that's it," Osborn's daughter said and looked at McGonigle. "Very, very, very sorry. I am looking at her saying I'm sorry. She doesn't want to hear my sorry. I'm sorry."

"Actually, I just want to talk to your brother," McGonigle replied.

The woman kept walking and did not respond.

McGonigle ---- who called the apologies "hollow" ---- said she has been on a mission to talk with Gardner ever since he told KFMB-TV Channel 8 that he would be willing to meet with the parents of his victims.

"I never really thought there would be a chance for me to ask him questions until I heard him say that he would answer questions," McGonigle said.

It's been nearly two weeks since that television interview, but McGonigle has met nothing but resistance in her attempts to meet with Gardner in jail.

"I've e-mailed twice, called three times and come down three times," she said after Osborn went into the towering jail on Front Street. "They're not budging. He doesn't want to talk to me, even though he says he will."

McGonigle left the jail before Osborn did. But the reporters remained on the sidewalk outside the jail lobby doors.

And as Osborn ---- a jacket pulled over her head and face ---- and her daughter left the jail lobby and climbed into a waiting car, reporters peppered her with questions.

"Leave my mom alone," Osborn's daughter said.

"Why didn't she let Gardner meet with Amber's mom?" a television reporter asked.

The daughter interrupted the question before it was completed, and responded, "She didn't let Gardner do anything. We're sorry."

Call staff writer Teri Figueroa at 760-740-5442.


Carrie is the strongest woman that I have ever met. She is relentless and will haunt Gardner until he goes to hell. His family has no right playing the victim. The victims are Amber and Chelsea and anyone else that their monster of a relative raped and murdered.  They need to remember that. The victims are Carrie and the rest of the loved ones that have been left without their sweet, innocent girls. His sister yells "leave us alone". Quit supporting that monster and using up all of his visitation time. How about that! You are condoning what he did by showing up and supporting him. How dare you lay a hand on the mother of an innocent girl who was raped and murdered by your sick, twisted relative. You should have the guts to tell Carrie, to her face, up close and personal how sorry that you are. No, Cathy Osborn hides, just like her pathetic excuse for a son.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 12, 2010, 12:17:34 PM
I too watched the video on the news last night and could not believe what I was watching. Number one, I do not for the life of me know how the H&## Gardner's mother got her job in the mental health field. You would think with 20 something years in the field she would have acted in a professional (medical) manner. She hid under the arm pit of her daughter. Hiding her face and crying like she is the victim. Her daughter not facing the camera is shouting we are sorry in a not so genuine or sympathetic manner. Carie (who is the victim) is asking to speak with Gardner's mother looking directly at his mother without fear or anger. She was giving her last chance to see her daughter's killer privately with the gusto of a reporter trying to get an interview.  On her way out of the jail Gardner's mother hid again, hiding her face under her coat so we could not see.

I personally think this would have been an opportune time for her to have faced the camera's and apologized to the families of the two dead girls. Maybe throwing in some Mental health issues about her son. At this point I don't expect anybody to buy her pleas on Friday for helping her son in prison. She is not the victim hear her son is alive. Amber and Chelsea are dead from the actions of her SON.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 12, 2010, 12:37:46 PM
Because of JAG Amber will never experience getting her drivers license. Gardner experienced that.
Because of JAG Amber will never experience her first real love. Gardner experienced that no matter how painfull it may have been.
Because of JAG Amber will never experience having a child. Gardner experienced that, he's the father (a bad one) of two sons.
Because of JAG Amber will never experience ageing. Gardner, still breathing, will age with the passage to time. Laugh, cry and feel emotions that he denied his victims, because he chose to end their lives.
Because of JAG Amber will never experience another heart beat. Gardner's heart is still beating and feeling. Why Gardner why, did you not take that knife and stop your own heart from beating.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 12, 2010, 12:39:24 PM
http://wdef.com/video/mother_of_murdered_teen_tries_to_visit_daughters_killer/05/2010

Here is the link to the video that Sebastian is talking about.

Unbelievable yet not surprising. Somehow this man has gotten to this point. Regardless of what the family wishes to believe, they enabled him. His mom, well it must be a difficult spot to be in, to know a person you brought into the world raped and killed at least 2 young girls, however I am thinking it would be more difficult to be the mother of the slain girls. Her not allowing Carrie to speak to Gardner was a clue into how they have protected him when he should have been held accountable.

I sort of wish Carrie hit the woman who had the nerve to place her hands on her. I wish I was there, I would have done it for her.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 12, 2010, 12:39:33 PM
I too watched the video on the news last night and could not believe what I was watching. Number one, I do not for the life of me know how the H&## Gardner's mother got her job in the mental health field. You would think with 20 something years in the field she would have acted in a professional (medical) manner. She hid under the arm pit of her daughter. Hiding her face and crying like she is the victim. Her daughter not facing the camera is shouting we are sorry in a not so genuine or sympathetic manner. Carie (who is the victim) is asking to speak with Gardner's mother looking directly at his mother without fear or anger. She was giving her last chance to see her daughter's killer privately with the gusto of a reporter trying to get an interview.  On her way out of the jail Gardner's mother hid again, hiding her face under her coat so we could not see.

I personally think this would have been an opportune time for her to have faced the camera's and apologized to the families of the two dead girls. Maybe throwing in some Mental health issues about her son. At this point I don't expect anybody to buy her pleas on Friday for helping her son in prison. She is not the victim hear her son is alive. Amber and Chelsea are dead from the actions of her SON.

I could not agree with you more Armchair. As a mother, I was feeling a bit of sympathy for Cathy Gardner even after the Hash Harrier garbage that she involved herself with. After what I have learned and from the video, any sympathy I had for that pathetic excuse of a parent went out the window. All that woman does is hide and selfishly ties up any possible visitation that Carrie may have had. Enabler, enabler, enabler. She obviously has no remorse for the actions of her son. If she did, she would not tie up his visitations and refuse to allow Carrie one half hour visit prior to his sentencing. She has the whole "entitled" and "victim" mindset of her dispicable son. After all, "it was Amber's fault and the Escondido school districts fault that Amber was walking to school that day." My guess is that she has been plagued with guilt if the allegations of the molestation against "Doughboy" are true. She has enabled him and coddled him ever since. There are thousands upon thousands of people who are molested and do not turn out to be the monster that Gardner is. Just watching the actions of the family members on that video are beyond the norm. They are just a sick bunch of white trash that condone the actions of a monster by showing up visit after visit and blocking out the one visit that could have given the mother of one of the victims a tad bit of her own sense of closure. It is beyond sickening. "BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER!"


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 12, 2010, 12:43:49 PM
Jag also gets to die in a peaceful manner. Maybe Carrie should have been wearing running shorts and holding onto a beer? She needs to be fired from her job. She is as worthless as her son.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 12, 2010, 12:43:49 PM
http://wdef.com/video/mother_of_murdered_teen_tries_to_visit_daughters_killer/05/2010

Here is the link to the video that Sebastian is talking about.

Unbelievable yet not surprising. Somehow this man has gotten to this point. Regardless of what the family wishes to believe, they enabled him. His mom, well it must be a difficult spot to be in, to know a person you brought into the world raped and killed at least 2 young girls, however I am thinking it would be more difficult to be the mother of the slain girls. Her not allowing Carrie to speak to Gardner was a clue into how they have protected him when he should have been held accountable.

I sort of wish Carrie hit the woman who had the nerve to place her hands on her. I wish I was there, I would have done it for her.

I could not agree more Tracygirl. I had asked Carrie if I could go and she said no. Now, I guess it is better that I had not. I wanted to jump out of my skin when that woman had the nerve to put her hands on Carrie and brush her aside. These people are sick sick sick. Every last one of them!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 12, 2010, 01:01:24 PM
You know why I didn't feel sorry for his mom? He was a convicted molester of a 13 year old child and his mother protected him, spoke up for him and sheltered him. We cannot take credit for the good our children do and then say "well they are adults" when they do wrong. Everyone is a product of their childhood and what they learn from their parents. She holds responsibility for where and what her son is just as if he became an upstanding citizen. She made mistakes and as far as I can see is still making them.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 12, 2010, 08:37:26 PM
This is the link   http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-05-12/local-county-news/mother-of-amber-dubois-gardner-family-have-heated-confrontation

You should be able to see the video from there


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2010, 09:14:58 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/23531588/detail.html

Dubois, King Families To Address Court At Gardner Sentencing


POSTED: 12:42 pm PDT May 12, 2010
UPDATED: 4:49 pm PDT May 12, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- The registered sex offender who raped and murdered San Diego area teens Chelsea King and Amber Dubois will hear from their families at his sentencing hearing on Friday, according to a probation report released Wednesday.

John Albert Gardner III, 31, pleaded guilty April 16 and will be sentenced to a pair of life terms in prison without the possibility of parole, plus an additional 33 years to life behind bars.

The 14-page probation report indicates that Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, and father, Moe Dubois, along with his girlfriend, Rebecca Smith, all plan to address Judge David Danielsen.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, are also expected to speak at the hearing, but the report indicated that a probation officer had yet to speak to the Kings about their victim-impact statement.

Also expected to address the court is a woman who told police that Gardner tackled her to the ground while she was running in Rancho Bernardo Community Park last Dec. 27, the same park where Chelsea disappeared.

Candice Moncayo said she fought back and was able to elbow Gardner in the nose and get away.

Chelsea, a 17-year-old avid runner and straight-A senior at Poway High School, disappeared the afternoon of Feb. 25 after going for a run at the park in Rancho Bernardo. The teen's body was discovered five days later in a shallow grave near a tributary of Lake Hodges. She had been strangled.

Amber, a 14-year-old freshman at Escondido High School, vanished while walking to school in February 2009. Her skeletal remains were found last month in Pala. An autopsy determined that she had been stabbed to death.

Both teens had been raped.

Early last month, three days after Gardner was arraigned on charges of murdering Chelsea, he led authorities to Amber's body. In return, prosecutors agreed not to use his knowledge of the whereabouts of her remains against him in court.

In denying that he had specifically targeted the victims, Gardner told a local TV station two weeks ago that "it wasn't about their age" and said he was on seemingly routine outings prior to the abductions.

"To calm myself, I'll go for a walk, or I'll go for a drive, just to calm down," Gardner said.

He described the impulse to attack the girls as sudden and overwhelming.

"I mean, I was aware of what I was doing, and I could not stop myself," Gardner said. "I was -- had a major rage, and (was) pissed off, and pissed off at my whole life and everybody that's hurt me. And (I) blew up, and I hurt the wrong people."

Gardner spoke remorsefully of his crimes several times during the interview.

"I hate myself," Gardner said. "I really do. There is no there is no taking back what I did. And if I could, yes I would. Are you kidding me? But I was out of control. If I was able to stop myself in the middle of it, I would've. And I could not. I was out of control."

While the report will have virtually no impact on Gardner's sentencing, attorney Jan Ronis told 10News, "It gives information about his background and could be helpful in ultimately deciding where he's housed, how he's housed and who he's housed with."

Asked of the possibility that Gardner may make a statement, attorney Gretchen von Helms said, "It's not going to matter to the judge if he breaks down crying, says 'I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do this. There was something in my brain telling me to do this. I'm apologetic for this.' It doesn't matter. The judge is going to sentence him to life without the possibility of parole. He'll never get out and hurt anyone ever again."


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: NM on May 13, 2010, 10:46:26 AM
Ambersmom,
please don't hold back tomorrow when you address the court.
IMO that POS will not tell you anything meaningful or truthful. IMO that POS just want to victimize and/or re-victimize anyone he can, even if it is through conversation.
I believe more information will come out through research and investigation.
I'll be praying for you, Amber, Chelsie, and all your loved ones.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 13, 2010, 10:54:42 AM
Ambersmom,
please don't hold back tomorrow when you address the court.
IMO that POS will not tell you anything meaningful or truthful. IMO that POS just want to victimize and/or re-victimize anyone he can, even if it is through conversation.
I believe more information will come out through research and investigation.
I'll be praying for you, Amber, Chelsie, and all your loved ones.
::MonkeyAngel:: I also will be praying for you and your family, and the King family, and also Candice Moncayo and her family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 13, 2010, 11:03:56 AM
Amber Dubois' mother Carrie McGonigle met face to face Wednesday in a downtown San Diego jail with John Albert Gardner III, the man who admitted he killed Amber.

The meeting came two days before McGonigle, Amber's father, and the parents of Gardner's second slaying victim, Chelsea King, will get their chance to speak their minds during his formal sentencing Friday afternoon.

McGonigle had battled for about two weeks to see Gardner and ask him questions about her daughter's death.

A news release issued Wednesday afternoon said McGonigle went to San Diego Central Jail after she got word that Gardner, 31, would meet with her.

They talked for 30 minutes. McGonigle described Gardner as "respectful" and "nervous," and said she is satisfied with the answers he provided. Among the questions she had planned to ask: How did Gardner get Amber, 14, into his car?

"She finally has the closure she has been waiting for for 15 months now," the press release stated.

McGonigle had previously said she did not plan to publicly share Gardner's answers to her questions.

She declined interview requests, and said she is working on the statement she will deliver during Gardner's sentencing hearing. She also plans to play a video at the hearing with photos of Amber set to music.

Amber's father, Moe Dubois, is also trying to craft his statement.

The parents of Chelsea, 17, also will speak at the hearing, their media representative Sara Muller Fraunces said Wednesday. They, too, might play a video.

Others will speak, including Candice Moncayo, the college student whom Gardner admitted trying to rape two months before he attacked Chelsea in the same area.

Whatever they say, their words also might serve as a salve for a community shaken by the violent deaths of two young girls.

Friday's hearing marks the end of the legal proceedings. Gardner has waived his right to appeal his conviction, erasing what is usually an inevitable review of the case by the appellate court.

In pleading guilty, Gardner accepted a deal that took the death penalty off the table. The plea saved the families from the brutally graphic testimony of a trial, and it brought a surprising and lightning-fast resolution to a case that gripped the region.

Hundreds of people turned out to help search for both girls after they vanished during daylight hours. And thousands turned out for memorials that cropped up after the discovery of their bodies.

On April 16, standing shackled before the same judge who will sentence him on Friday, Gardner admitted that he took Amber on Feb. 13, 2009, as the Escondido High School freshman walked to school. Inside of 90 minutes, he took her to a remote stretch of Pala, and raped and stabbed her to death. He then buried her there and fled.

Amber's whereabouts were a mystery for 13 months. Her family desperately searched for the shy teenager who left for school that morning planning to adopt a lamb as part of her membership in the Future Farmers of America.

A year later, on Feb. 25, Chelsea vanished during a run on a trail near Lake Hodges. The search turned up Chelsea's underwear ---- which contained Gardner's DNA.

Authorities arrested him on Feb. 28 at a Del Dios area restaurant. Chelsea's body was found in a shallow grave near a lake tributary two days later. And three days after that, Gardner led investigators to Amber's body.

Gardner, it turned out, was a registered sex offender who had been to prison for sexually assaulting and beating a 13-year-old neighbor girl 10 years earlier.

Revelations about the decade-old case led to a push by Chelsea's family to tighten laws governing sex offenders. Amber's family has turned its attention to the plight of missing children.

But first, there is the sentencing for a man who last month admitted what he had done.

The parents of the girls have set eyes on Gardner only a few times; the last coming for all but McGonigle when he pleaded guilty. The parents remained silent as Gardner admitted in court what he had done to their girls.

Now, the parents will face him again, and this time they can make what is called a "victim impact statement," during which they can address the judge, who in this case is Superior Court Judge David Danielsen.

Technically, the victims and families are not supposed to speak directly to the defendant. But really, they often give the convicted criminal a very public excoriation.

Besides the families of the slain teens, Gardner will also hear from victim Moncayo, who was "quite cognizant that she could have been murdered by the defendant," according to Gardner's probation report.

There will also be an opportunity for the defendant and his supporters to address the judge, but it is unknown whether they will speak.

When Gardner was sentenced 10 years ago, he addressed the judge in his bid for probation instead of prison.

At that time, Gardner spoke only four sentences. He asked for forgiveness and said, "I know I need to be punished for what I have done, but I just want to get back to my life the way that it was." He did not directly apologize to the victim

Gardner's mother also addressed the judge in the 2000 case. She apologized for his actions, and said he was "embarrassed" and "humiliated" by what he had done.

Their words did not come in front of television cameras ---- it was a low-profile case, despite the violence. That won't be the case if they speak this time around.

The courtroom promises to be packed ---- of the 115 seats in the room, 85 have already been assigned to the families of the victims, but also people associated with the investigation.

Authorities, including the San Diego County District Attorney's office, will not speak after the hearing, but plan to hold a news conference Monday about the case.

How much information will be released remains a question. A law firm representing Chelsea's family sent out a press release earlier this week, stating that they formally requested that investigators keep confidential certain aspects of the investigation, including crime scene photos and autopsy reports.

"It is time for healing, not a time to unearth painful details made irrelevant by the defendant's decision to admit his crimes," the statement reads.

Call staff writer Teri Figueroa at 760-740-5442.



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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 13, 2010, 12:50:08 PM
Although I believe that Gardner has selective (he selects when he can't control his anger) mental illness. One minute he says he goes for a walk or a drive to calm him. In the next sentence his says he can't control his anger and takes it out on the victims. Why was he able to control his anger with the mother of his children, his own mother and relatives. If you can't control your anger you wouldn't be able to stop no matter who. I hope the judge does not segregate him from general population. He should be afraid everyday till the day he dies.

I have to say that Carie is one of the strongest women around. She was not afraid to find the answers she needed. Perhaps, it will release both of them in different ways. Carrie must feel released from something that would have consumed her in the end. Gardner must feel released after confessing face to face with someone close to his victim for being responsible for what he did. The guilt he feels and some day real grief can now consume Gardner.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 13, 2010, 02:53:45 PM
I am so thankful that Carrie got a chance to speak to him and he answered her questions. I will admit, considering the time I have spent on this case, I would like to know as well how he got amber into the car, why he choose Amber, what he did with all of her things, did he ping the cell phone etc...,I can completely understand Carries decision to keep it private.

Carrie I am so glad you have the answers you need to grieve for your daughter. My prayers, as always are with you and your family.



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Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2010, 04:14:34 PM
Carrie - I thought I was a pretty strong person but you are by far one of the stongest women I have ever known.  Amber would be very proud of you.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 13, 2010, 05:06:00 PM

"She finally has the closure she has been waiting for for 15 months now," the press release stated.    ::MonkeyAngel::  My prayers and thoughts are with you Carrie, and your entire family.


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Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2010, 09:09:37 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/23548373/detail.html

Search Warrants Reveal Details In Dubois Probe

POSTED: 4:50 pm PDT May 13, 2010
UPDATED: 4:51 pm PDT May 13, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- A woman spotted teenage murder victim Amber Dubois with a man about 200 yards north of Escondido High School on the morning she disappeared, according to search warrants released Thursday by a Vista judge.

According to the affidavit attached to one of the warrants, the woman was driving her children around 7:10 a.m. on Feb. 13, 2009, when she spotted the 14-year-old girl, whose body was found near Pala two months ago.

She described the person she saw with the teen as a "dark complected young male" who was tall and slender.

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III is scheduled to be sentenced Friday for raping and killing Amber and 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

Gardner, who pleaded guilty to both murders on April 16, is listed as 6-feet-2-inches tall and 230 pounds by the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

A man saw Amber walking on Broadway two minutes earlier but made no mention whether or not she was alone.

The warrants, released by Judge Daniel Goldstein, also revealed that six days after Amber went missing, two juveniles from her high school reported that she was online and talking to boys. The warrants gave a date of Feb. 19, 2008, but it is believed that police meant 2009.

Numerous search warrants were sealed by judges during the investigations into the disappearances of Amber and Chelsea, who was last seen running in the trails above Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Feb. 25 of this year. Her body was found five days later in a shallow grave on a shore of Lake Hodges.

The documents, which were unsealed at the request of the media after Gardner entered his guilty pleas, included reports to police that he may have stalked other women and girls.

Gardner, 31, lived in Escondido from as early as August 2008 through January of this year, according to authorities.

He will be sentenced Thursday to a pair of consecutive life prison terms without the possibility of parole, plus an additional 33 years to life for assaulting a woman late last year.

In a recently televised interview, he said both murders were on impulse and he spoke remorsefully about the crimes. He spoke Wednesday with Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, who had demanded to talk to him in jail before the sentencing.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 11:27:31 AM
My prayers for Amber's and Chelsea's family today  ::MonkeyAngel::  I just heard on the news a small portion of what Amber's father is going to say today. May John Gardner sit in his own private hell, when hearing the devastation coming out of the family's mouths today. And I don't want to forget Candace and her family, forever they will think about what could have happened  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 12:06:02 PM
Reminder - most of the local San Diego stations plus many others will be having a live broadcast of the hearing today at 1pm pacific time. 

http://www.10news.com/index.html



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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 12:09:02 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Statements-Released-in-Advance-of-Gardner-Sentencing-93735649.html

Statements Released in Advance of Gardner Sentencing
By ERIC S. PAGE
Updated 6:34 AM PDT, Fri, May 14, 2010

Source: Statements Released in Advance of Gardner Sentencing | NBC San Diego

Prior to John Gardner's sentencing on Friday, court officials released impact statements on Thursday from Amber's father, Maurice "Moe" Dubois, and his girlfriend, Rebecca  Smith, that will be read in court.

Gardner pleaded guilty on April 16 to the murders of 14-year-old Escondido High student Amber Dubois and Poway teenager Chelsea King, 17. Both of their bodies were discovered in shallow graves after the killings.

In Maurice's statement, he ponders who bears the most responsibility for the death of his daughter. (The following statements are quoted exactly as they appear in the documents unless otherwise noted -- Ed.)

"I cannot help to ask on behalf of my family, Who is at Fault here? Is it this cold heartless monster, is it the failures in the law enforcement system, or perhaps it is even all of us who have not forced and held accountable, the people and the organizations who are supposed to protect us from these predatores and whom are not."

Source: Statements Released in Advance of Gardner Sentencing | NBC San Diego

Amber's father then goes on to share his hope that prison system administer "justice" to his daughter's killer.

"Now with our last hope for justice, we depend on the prison community to slowly and painfully cause his remaining days on this earth to be a living nightmare," Dubois writes.

Smith, too, crafted a personal picture of the tragedy to be shared with the court on Friday.

"On March 6th, 2010 we were told she had been found," Smith wrote. "This was the worst day of my life.... After [Amber] was located people believed that we would have closure. This is not the case.... Our lives have been changed forever and nothing can change this. However you can change the fate of many more lives by securing Gardner in prison forever.

Gardner is due in court at 1:30 p.m. Friday to be sentenced in connection to the case. Prior to entering his guilty plea, his attorneys negotiated a deal with prosecutors for a sentence of life without the possibility of parole. NBCSandiego will be livestreaming the court proceedings without interruption.

Source: Statements Released in Advance of Gardner Sentencing | NBC San Diego



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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 12:47:42 PM
Thank-you Klaas.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 12:50:16 PM
Reminder - most of the local San Diego stations plus many others will be having a live broadcast of the hearing today at 1pm pacific time. 

http://www.10news.com/index.html



Thank you so much Klaas for posting this. I will be watching forsure. So pleased that today Amber will get justice. If only that justice would bring her back to her family.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 01:19:34 PM
During the hearing, I will be staying and posting screen caps and comments in this thread (Amber's) rather than trying to post in both threads.  Mostly because Amber's thread is above Chelsea's thread.


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Post by: NM on May 14, 2010, 01:33:05 PM
Thanks Klaas.
Prayers for Amber, Cheslea and all that suffered by this POS.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 03:30:14 PM
http://www.10news.com/index.html

1PM Livestream Today: John Gardner Sentencing
Watch live coverage Today at 1PM on 10News and 10News.com of the sentencing of John Gardner, the
sex offender who admitted raping and murdering high school students Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

http://www.cbs8.com/

TODAY: JOHN GARDNER SENTENCING - News 8 LIVE coverage of John Gardner’s sentencing starts at 1:15pm. The convicted sex offender will be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the murders of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/John-Gardner-to-be-Sentenced-to-Life-in-Prison-93794539.html

NBCSandiego will begin livestreaming coverage at 1 p.m. today as well as send updates via Twitter @nbcsandiego. Discuss the case on our Facebook page. We'll use comments in our broadcast coverage.

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-gardner-sentencing-5-14-10,0,1733785.story

Fox 5 and Fox5sandiego.com will carry the sentencing live, beginning at 1:30 p.m.


I don't think the actual hearing starts before 1:30pm




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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 14, 2010, 03:50:49 PM
I really think Escondido Police screwed up this case so badly. I think up until the time Amber was finally found, they considered her to have run away. They all need to be held accountable and answer to why JAG was let off the hook so many times and why they didn't take Amber's missing seriously. It is a tragedy. I hope they face an internal investigation due to their lack of abilities to properly investigate this case.

I don't care if they consider themselves over worked, under paid, under appreciated, we trust  and expect them to protect and serve our communities. If they don't want to do the job then they should find something else.

California LE needs a massive sex offenders task force that is part of the answer. This is because this area makes the MOST ARRESTS NATTIONWIDE FOR PEDO PORN. We are the PEDO PORN capital of the nation.  Do you think the pols didn't know that? Do you think they weren't asked to make a permanent RSO task force? Cui bene? The sex industry mafia. The global child trafficking industry, which is bigger than global narcotrafficking. It's time to call a spade a spade and ask:  Who's running the pols in Sacramento?

You always get mixed feelings when reading about street police level LE screw ups. But the fact is they are working in an environment and system that is has broken down:

1. A whopping increase in the number of people in the State, an increasing majority of whom are illegals, creating a large subset of "difficult to identify" violent, visible criminality that police have to respond to, while having to be aware that CA laws protect these illegals moreso than the police's right to fix things.

2. A whopping increase in the numbers of citizens who will sue for millions at the drop of a hat if someone as much as farts in the same room while they are being questioned.

3. A whooping increase in the number of seedy, sleazebag law school graduates who will go on record as saying they will sell their mothers to win a case, with their media cronies in tow. And who will represent slimebags just for the headlines.

4. Justices presiding over courts who can be bought and it isn't as simple as "pass me the green and folding". You grease my interests in an untraceable way and I'll make this charge go away.

5. I'll get to that.

So I truly understand the cops not wanting to arrest someone because a female who can't be produced pointed a finger. Can you imagine what a field day the media could have with that.

At the same time, given that this monstrosity of human DNA GARDNER lived within blocks of 11 other RSO offenders, someone somewhere should jumpstart a braincell or two and think "organized pedo network".

#5: At "the top", you will find oh darn, what a surprise: bona fide pedophiles in key positions who can and do put the brakes on key investigations. If anyone things politicans can often be slimebags, hey, stop and consider what all that may mean.

So those planning on going into LE are heroes for even considering it, and keeping their humanity makes them saints, and if they fall, I can forget one or two. But remember they go back to the office, and a zillion other stabbings, rapes, and murders that just that night happened tend to take priority. Think about it.

A bill for a PERMANENT RSO task force now.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
News 10 is already set up in the courtroom or so it seems:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
Fox5 San Diego also has the courthouse

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/?watchLive=kswb-ls-gardner-sentencing


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Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2010, 03:59:06 PM
During the hearing, I will be staying and posting screen caps and comments in this thread (Amber's) rather than trying to post in both threads.  Mostly because Amber's thread is above Chelsea's thread.

Thank you Klaas and Monkeys - I can't be in SD today...your updates really help...


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:00:41 PM
During the hearing, I will be staying and posting screen caps and comments in this thread (Amber's) rather than trying to post in both threads.  Mostly because Amber's thread is above Chelsea's thread.

Thank you Klaas and Monkeys - I can't be in SD today...your updates really help...

They are filling into the courtroom right now. This link is working for me:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:03:01 PM
Members of Chelsea's Light are handing out sunflowers in front of the courthouse:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ChelseasLight.jpg)


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 04:04:54 PM
During the hearing, I will be staying and posting screen caps and comments in this thread (Amber's) rather than trying to post in both threads.  Mostly because Amber's thread is above Chelsea's thread.

Thank you Klaas and Monkeys - I can't be in SD today...your updates really help...

(((((((((((hugs))))))))))) and prayers of strength to you and your entire family Ambersand. My heart if breaking today for all of you


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Post by: Edward on May 14, 2010, 04:07:50 PM
You are so correct sweetie_pi

Thank You Klaasend and Ampersand too.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:09:33 PM
If a video stops for you, just click on your "refresh" button and it should start back up.  Sometimes the live streaming videos get stuck.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:12:57 PM
They are mostly talking about background of the 2 cases and what to expect today.  I don't think it's actually scheduled to start until 1:30pm.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:14:02 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/AmberSentancing.jpg)


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
Thanks Klaas.

Janet


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:17:17 PM
Still showing old video and mostly killing time waiting for the hearing to start:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ChelseaSentancing.jpg)


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
klaas have you heard if Gardners family is there?


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
Now they are interviewing some of the people that searched for Chelsea and Amber and the impact this has had on them. 


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:23:50 PM
klaas have you heard if Gardners family is there?

They just said that Cathy Osborne is there


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Post by: joesamas mama on May 14, 2010, 04:25:20 PM
klaas have you heard if Gardners family is there?
His mom jut walked in from what I heard.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
I wish they would just go to the courtroom


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Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2010, 04:29:23 PM
I wish they would just go to the courtroom

Me too...


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:30:24 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0001-2.jpg)


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:32:49 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0002.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0003.jpg)


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
I think they are getting ready for the victim impact statements and videos.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 04:35:02 PM
Gardner looks like he is about to throw up


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:35:45 PM
Carrie is first


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:37:47 PM
Carrie is first

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0005.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0004.jpg)

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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
Carrie is so strong  ::MonkeyAngel:: God bless the families.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:41:05 PM
Amber's mom's exboyfriend David Cave  (sp) speaking now

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0007.jpg)



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Post by: joesamas mama on May 14, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
Carrie is so strong  ::MonkeyAngel:: God bless the families.
She is amazing No Rose.


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 14, 2010, 04:41:32 PM
Ambersmom,
please don't hold back tomorrow when you address the court.
IMO that POS will not tell you anything meaningful or truthful. IMO that POS just want to victimize and/or re-victimize anyone he can, even if it is through conversation.
I believe more information will come out through research and investigation.
I'll be praying for you, Amber, Chelsie, and all your loved ones.

I TOTALLY agree those slimeballs know instinctively how to manipulate by giving ppl the answers they want to hear, and further taught by their "defenders" on how to make them more legally believable.

The issue is not the details: rape and murder are sufficient words.

The issue will be OTHERS involved before or after.  Who knew, who was told, bragging rights. I absolutely do not believe this was "Boo hoo my mommy hit me when I was a little boy and now I have to torture girls to death when I get angry." Not buying it.

CA, esp. Northern CA did not get to be the PEDO PORN CAPITAL of the world overnight, or by lone actors, most all of them get their juice by sharing their filth. I'd put money on it he saw a pedo snuff movie with one or more of his 11 neigbbors and got all his psycho juices worked up. That's how they live, WHAT THEY LIVE FOR, that's the life he went back to after the 13 y.o. That's the ugly can of worms the State has to open. If not through a trial, then how? I don't care how, I just want it opened - no vic's mom wants another kid to go through what they went through, but keeping a lid ondetails seems to keep a lid on the whole mess. Separate concerns PLEASE.

I want to know: since he was living in 2 block radius of 11 other RSO's, whether the network was involved, and the significance of this has not sunk in anywhere. A trial need not bring out gory details, a judge can gag that section, a trial can bring out the OTHERS involved.

WHY HAVE MEGANS LAW RSO DATABASE IF THERE IS NO RSO TASK FORCE BEHIND IT? I WANT THAT TASK FORCE TO HAVE THE JUICE TO GO TO THE TOP, AND ROUTE THESE PEDO'S OUT WHEREVER THEY ARE, INCLUDING HIGH LEVEL POSITIONS. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY MEN WHO GET ONTO SACRAMENTO BEE'S READER FEEDBACK AND STATE THAT POSTING A RSO'S EMAIL AND WEBSITE IS GOING BACK TO THE DARK AGES (yesterday).  THESE PERVERTS ARE EVERYWHERE - IN THE OPEN and BOLDER - ONLY BECAUSE THERE IS NO HIGH LEVEL (ARNOLD: THE BUCK STOPS WITH YOU) WILL TO RID THE NATION OF THIS CALIFORNIA #1 EXPORT: PEDO PORN.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 04:42:12 PM
If anyone is having problems with the live stream ... the hearing can be seen on HLN.

Janet


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:42:49 PM
Calling Gardener a coward who beats up on little girls. 


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
Maurice DuBois now

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Post by: Edward on May 14, 2010, 04:44:43 PM
Carrie is hero for her daughter..
She faces Evil without fear and God knows it.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:48:01 PM
You will burn in hell for the agony you have caused.

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Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
Cry now you worthless POS - go ahead and cry - no one cares.... ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 04:50:35 PM
Gardner is crying as the video plays. I hope to god he is feeling every bit of pain he caused. 


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:51:13 PM
Video tribute to Amber.  Gardener is crying.

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Post by: joesamas mama on May 14, 2010, 04:51:26 PM
I wish the Judge or Baliff would make Gardner look up and watch the video.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 04:51:38 PM
Why a poor excuse for a human being.  He does not even have the courage to watch the slide presentation of the beautiful life he took.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 04:51:49 PM
They need to keep the camera on the video, no one cares about Gardner


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:53:22 PM
Candice Moncayo is next - the jogger- she's having a tough time speaking without crying

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 04:53:44 PM
They need to keep the camera on the video, no one cares about Gardner

I agree Tracygirl.  Maybe the video will be available later for our viewing.

Janet


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:56:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0013.jpg)


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 04:58:05 PM
Playing Chelsea's video now


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 04:58:34 PM
If authorities had immediately testing the DNA taken from this young lade who was attacked by this monster ... one life could have been spared.  Gardner's DNA was on file but testing was not a priority and ... identification came too late for Chelsea.

Janet


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 04:59:26 PM
Wow he looked pissed off when she asked how his nose is! Did you see the look on his face!

she did so well, good for her to stand up as the voice of Amber and Chelsea. I am sure they were standing right beside her.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 05:00:47 PM
Wow he looked pissed off when she asked how his nose is! Did you see the look on his face!

she did so well, good for her to stand up as the voice of Amber and Chelsea. I am sure they were standing right beside her.
I am sure they both are also  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:01:44 PM
Reading her essay and friends speaking of what they learned from Chelsea:

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Post by: Edward on May 14, 2010, 05:02:16 PM

Most murderers are not remorseful .. The man convicted of the murder of Polly Klass for one.
I have seen convicted murderers mock and other nasty things to victims family members in the court room..



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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:04:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0016.jpg)

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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:06:44 PM
Chelsea was everything this man was NOT.  Chelsea was as good as this man is EVIL.  The world is not as good without Chelsea in it. 

I am filled with a rage, I hate him with all my sole.  Calling him an animal, monster.



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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:07:46 PM
You are evil and a COWARD.  You intentionally chose evil.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:10:48 PM
You are evil and a COWARD.  You intentionally chose evil.

He blames the parents as well.  Cathy Osborne knew what kind of person you were.  She did nothing. 


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Post by: joesamas mama on May 14, 2010, 05:11:24 PM
I'm glad Chelsea's dad is going after Gardner's mom in his speech.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 05:11:37 PM
Thank-you Mr King for what you are all saying about Gardner's mother.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Wow good for him, he is going after everyone! I so admire these parents and using their anger and hurt to help fight for change.



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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:14:41 PM
Chelsea's mom is next


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
I'm glad Chelsea's dad is going after Gardner's mom in his speech.

me too!


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:15:59 PM
Chelsea's mom is next

She stood up there and said LOOK AT ME

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Post by: joesamas mama on May 14, 2010, 05:16:07 PM
I'm glad Chelsea's mom told him to LOOK AT ME!!


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
Mrs King  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 05:17:04 PM
I'm glad Chelsea's mom told him to LOOK AT ME!!
Me too


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Post by: MuffyBee on May 14, 2010, 05:17:44 PM
Mrs King  ::MonkeyAngel::

A strong woman and steadfast in faith and beliefs.   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:19:22 PM
Burn in hell


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:22:36 PM
You mother did nothing.  She lacked the humanity and human decency to possibly keep Chelsea alive.  Your mother will always be entwined with your crime because she did nothing.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
Mrs King  ::MonkeyAngel::

A strong woman and steadfast in faith and beliefs.   ::MonkeyAngel::
I'm overwhelmed by this woman  ::MonkeyAngel:: The most powerful victim impact statement I have ever heard.


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Post by: joesamas mama on May 14, 2010, 05:25:35 PM
He will never get out will he? Please tell me life means LIFE. TIA JSM


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:26:00 PM
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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 05:26:12 PM
He will never get out will he? Please tell me life means LIFE. TIA JSM
He will never see the light of day.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 05:27:04 PM
Amber and Chelsea were blessed with such amazing parents.  The loss of their precious  daughters implies a greater purpose ... a greater purpose of advocacy for the good of others.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

=++++



Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 200:
  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 14, 2010, 05:27:04 PM
Mrs King  ::MonkeyAngel::


She begins: LOOK AT ME!

SO powerful.

And she takes off the gloves.

"The mother who shaped you".

"The politcians who refuse to stand up and protect human life, particularly those of my children".

And that's where it's at. I'll say it again and again, the pedo porn business is protected at the highest level by the same politicians that allow the sleaze like Gardner to flousish.

I live for the day the likes of Gardner are taken to the back of the courthouse and shot to death by a firing squad in front of everyone.



RSO task force rule #1: There is always a female behind this sleaze. From Connie Lawless to his POS mother. That's why I want the trials to OUT EVERYONE, and put them in jail too.

RSO Task force #2: There is always a pedo porn network involved.

RSO Task force #3: There is always a politican and a media cronie network (in this case quite possible the one Chelsea's father alluded to) there to profit from what the Gardners's and the pedo porn network do, and to portray these monsters as normal humans.


Any more?

 


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Post by: joesamas mama on May 14, 2010, 05:27:29 PM
He will never get out will he? Please tell me life means LIFE. TIA JSM
He will never see the light of day.
Thank you No Rose. I hope he BURNS in H*LL!


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:27:42 PM
He will never get out will he? Please tell me life means LIFE. TIA JSM

I have to see it in writing but it's multiple consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 05:29:48 PM
He will never get out will he? Please tell me life means LIFE. TIA JSM
He will never see the light of day.
Thank you No Rose. I hope he BURNS in H*LL!
Your welcome


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 05:32:16 PM
He will never get out will he? Please tell me life means LIFE. TIA JSM

I have to see it in writing but it's multiple consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole

The scales of justice did not balance.  Gardner sill has life.

I believe that it was Amber's mother who related to reporters that she did not want the death penalty.

Janet


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 05:32:24 PM
Oh gosh that was very emotional.

Amber and Chelsea you are free now and justice has been served. Fly with the angels above. RIP beautiful girls.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 05:35:31 PM
OMGosh is anyone still watching the live feed on channel 10? She is saying it was wrong for the mother to be pointed out. She states a mother cannot take the blame for the failings of her adult child. Bull pucky lady! Just as we take credit for our childrens successes, we must take responsibility for their failures.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:36:32 PM
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-gardner-sentencing-5-14-10,0,1733785.story

Gardner sentenced to 3 consecutive life terms
Gardner cries as families of slain teens read statements

FOX 5 San Diego Staff

2:32 PM PDT, May 14, 2010


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Post by: Edward on May 14, 2010, 05:37:56 PM
I hope Lilly the sheepster lives a beautiful life and that the family keeps her close in memory of Amber..

That was very sad and hard to watch. Even knowing this is the best that could have happened after such tragedy in these families lives as well as possible undiscovered others.

God Bless these families and may they begin to heal. Even though life will never be the same with the loss of there children.



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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 05:38:27 PM
OMGosh is anyone still watching the live feed on channel 10? She is saying it was wrong for the mother to be pointed out. She states a mother cannot take the blame for the failings of her adult child. Bull pucky lady! Just as we take credit for our childrens successes, we must take responsibility for their failures.
  The family had every right to go after his mother, I totally agree with you. (Edit/add missing quote bracket-MB)


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:39:15 PM
Oh gosh that was very emotional.

Amber and Chelsea you are free now and justice has been served. Fly with the angels above. RIP beautiful girls.

She's a psychiatric nurse.  She knew what her son was capable of.  She must of known something wasn't right after Amber was murdered.  She must have known something wasn't right after the jogger was attacked.  She must have known who attacked and murdered Chelsea and did NOTHING. 

We can't be blamed for the actions of our adult children legally but morally we do hold some blame for the monsters we protect.


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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 05:45:01 PM
All I can say is WOW! I am so proud of all of those family members right now! They have such courage and strength! I was overwhelmed with pride for the strength it must have taken them to get through this ordeal. I was truly shocked by Kelly King. She looks so frail and yet she is the pillar of strength. Her statement was fantastic. When she kept asking the coward to look at her, well, she is amazing. I was actually naiive enough to believe that maybe the COWARD had a bit of remorse in the beginning. His true colors came out when Candace asked about his nose. His lawyers had to calm him down. He actually stated to one of his lawyers that she was there for publicity. Unbelievable. He does not have one single ounce of remorse. I am so glad that the Kings brought up his mother and her role in all of this. I pray and pray that finally, maybe, after this hearing, these family members and loved ones can try to start rebuilding what is left of their lives. They have all proven time and time again what strength they have!


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 14, 2010, 05:45:49 PM
He will never get out will he? Please tell me life means LIFE. TIA JSM

"SHe hit me."

God BLESS HER! She should have killed him. She should have said I wish I had killed you that day to save real human beings. Mr. King should have asked Gardner's mother to do the world a favor and commit suicide.

Gardner's rage after being asked mockingly "How's your nose?" His rage twisted maniacal face belies the pscyopathic "show of sincerity", as he said "She HIT ME" to his defense lawyers, equal pedo sleazbags who tried to make him look human, who should have had him go into court like the snarling rabid raping animal he andhis mother are.

Why is the stoopid media and I do mean the talking twit from News 10 , "surprised at the anger shown by the parents". Why do we have to listen to talking heads saying "this must have hit them to the core." What are these media ppl - rapists themselves??? - To be surprised that amount of anger is present???? Is he on drugs?




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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 05:46:04 PM
Gardner's mother must share some responsibility for the deaths of Amber and Chelsea.  This mother abetted her son in wrongdoing when she agreed to let him live with her while given another address to the Sex Offender Registry.  In other words ... protected him from the consequences of his actions.

Maybe ... just maybe ... forced adherence to the requirements of his probation may have save the lives of two young women and ... the brutal attack on another.

Gardner's mother failed big time.

Janet


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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 05:50:49 PM
If they don't get that stupid *&*&^% lawyer to shut up on channel 10, I will boycott that station forever. She keeps going on and on about how stupid people are to put any blame on the mother. Will they get her to shut up already!


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Post by: Shell on May 14, 2010, 05:54:05 PM
 

I missed the first 30 min of the hearing. Does anyone know if it can be watched online in its entirety?



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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 14, 2010, 05:56:40 PM
As one of the parents said and I paraphrase: this is not justice but it'll have to do. Mr. King wanted the death penalty for sure. So JUSTICE HAS NOT BEEN SERVED.

It's a start, but make no mistake, REAL JUSTICE HAS NOT BEEN SERVED.


THis thinking merely continues the endless increasing number of abductions and murders until REAL JUSTICE RULES.

I'd rather see him out on the street and someone pay hit money to have him put away in the exact manner he deserves, (I vote for tied in that cage of which Mr. King speaks, and have rats eat him alive over a period of days) than this bloody useless sham of taxpayer molly coddling justice, all the free food and amenities he wants or else lawsuits.

I bet he too will be put in sensitive handling facilities where he and his pscyho mother can continue their sickness together.

Justice has only barely begun to be served. Continued effort into researching and pressing charges against GARDNER'S mother, and all others who had knowledge of what he was up to, and protected him by their silence. Until then, "Land of the free and brave my ahat".

 


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 05:58:24 PM
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-gardner-sentencing-5-14-10,0,1733785.story

Gardner sentenced to 3 consecutive life terms
Gardner cries as families of slain teens read statements

FOX 5 San Diego Staff

2:32 PM PDT, May 14, 2010


SHELL
- there are videos of most of it at the link above


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Post by: Shell on May 14, 2010, 06:02:50 PM
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-gardner-sentencing-5-14-10,0,1733785.story

Gardner sentenced to 3 consecutive life terms
Gardner cries as families of slain teens read statements

FOX 5 San Diego Staff

2:32 PM PDT, May 14, 2010


SHELL
- there are videos of most of it at the link above

Thanks Klaas...BTW, I have the jumping page syndrom again. How was it you told me last time to get it to stop?


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Post by: Shell on May 14, 2010, 06:04:06 PM
 Compatability view..I found it!


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 06:04:10 PM
Shell - since I don't use IE I can't tell you all the steps but it has something to do with setting it in COMPATIBILITY MODE.  I'm guessing go to tools, options...


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Post by: MuffyBee on May 14, 2010, 06:06:49 PM
I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but I hadn't seen it before:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/14/ambers-dad-decries-release-his-court-statement/
Amber's dad decries release of his statement
Moe Dubois says making his words public lessens their impact on his daughter's killer

May 14, 2010
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/25/amber_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)
Amber Dubois, then 13, and her father, Moe Dubois, at a family Christmas party.

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/05/14/moe_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)
John Gastaldo
Moe Dubois prepares for a press conference on Friday.


Moe Dubois, the father of murdered Escondido 14-year-old Amber Dubois, is angrily criticizing San Diego Superior Court officials for releasing a statement Thursday that he planned to read in front of his daughter’s killer today.

He aired his criticism at a brief news conference on the courthouse steps at 11:30 this morning, saying he felt wounded because his words had been shared prematurely.

It “totally victimizes me once again,” he said.

“I think this is baloney,” he said. “This should never, ever happen.”

The court released written statements from Dubois and his girlfriend, Rebecca Smith, Thursday afternoon in response to media requests for documents that are part of the public court record and said other statements will be released as they become available.

Dubois said he was angry because his daughter’s killer, John Albert Gardner III, 31, will know what Dubois and Smith intended to say to him at his sentencing hearing today and prepare for it.

In his statement, Dubois calls Gardner a “cold heartless monster” and says, “I truly hope he suffers a hundred times the amount of pain he caused our families.”

Dubois said that a senior probation officer had asked him and his girlfriend to submit their statements five days before the sentencing, and that they complied thinking their word would be secret until they read them in court. He suggested he and his girlfriend were penalized for being the only victim family members to comply with the request for early submission of the statements.

Gardner will be sentenced to life in prison without parole at 1:30 p.m. today after pleading guilty April 16 to raping and killing Amber and Chelsea King, 17, of Poway, and to assaulting Candice Moncayo, 22, over the course of a year.

Moments after the press conference Dubois had words with two representatives of the District Attorney’s office.

“My right as a parent has been taken away,” he said. “The one right I have left has been taken away from me.”

He then quickly walked off with his girlfriend.


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 14, 2010, 06:06:49 PM
If they don't get that stupid *&*&^% lawyer to shut up on channel 10, I will boycott that station forever. She keeps going on and on about how stupid people are to put any blame on the mother. Will they get her to shut up already!

She's part and parcel of the shrink-legal business that puts Gardner's back on the street, and keeps them there, covered up for a reason. This crap doesn't go on "by coincidence", such massive lapses occur for a reason, it comes back to the system that is supposed to keep tabs on the RSO's, there ain't any and what there is IS RIDDLED WITH SUB-ROSA PEDOs themselves.

All these talking heads and their backup system of weirdly credentials twits, get and keep jobs because Gardner is a consumer of  - and quite possibly - producer in - a very profitable deadly business: pedo porn, global human trafficking, of which CALIFORNIA is the world capital. 

The problem is the GARDNER's don't go after those that are clearly on his side, like his mother and that rapist protecting talking head lawyer. Of course, her daughter if she had one isn't dead, IMO too bad Gardner didn't go after her family. I wish that would have happened instead. MOO.

I am soooo glad Mr. King looked straight at the CBS camera and said what he did. I've always said - you can check my posts - the media cronies work with the legal system at key points - especially defense lawyers - to keep these raping murderous bastards at work. Period.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 06:06:54 PM
This is when he showed his true colors at the hearing:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/anger3_t620.jpg)


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 14, 2010, 06:19:09 PM
I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but I hadn't seen it before:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/14/ambers-dad-decries-release-his-court-statement/
Amber's dad decries release of his statement
Moe Dubois says making his words public lessens their impact on his daughter's killer

May 14, 2010
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Amber Dubois, then 13, and her father, Moe Dubois, at a family Christmas party.

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Moe Dubois prepares for a press conference on Friday.


Moe Dubois, the father of murdered Escondido 14-year-old Amber Dubois, is angrily criticizing San Diego Superior Court officials for releasing a statement Thursday that he planned to read in front of his daughter’s killer today.

He aired his criticism at a brief news conference on the courthouse steps at 11:30 this morning, saying he felt wounded because his words had been shared prematurely.

It “totally victimizes me once again,” he said.

“I think this is baloney,” he said. “This should never, ever happen.”

The court released written statements from Dubois and his girlfriend, Rebecca Smith, Thursday afternoon in response to media requests for documents that are part of the public court record and said other statements will be released as they become available.

Dubois said he was angry because his daughter’s killer, John Albert Gardner III, 31, will know what Dubois and Smith intended to say to him at his sentencing hearing today and prepare for it.

In his statement, Dubois calls Gardner a “cold heartless monster” and says, “I truly hope he suffers a hundred times the amount of pain he caused our families.”

Dubois said that a senior probation officer had asked him and his girlfriend to submit their statements five days before the sentencing, and that they complied thinking their word would be secret until they read them in court. He suggested he and his girlfriend were penalized for being the only victim family members to comply with the request for early submission of the statements.

Gardner will be sentenced to life in prison without parole at 1:30 p.m. today after pleading guilty April 16 to raping and killing Amber and Chelsea King, 17, of Poway, and to assaulting Candice Moncayo, 22, over the course of a year.

Moments after the press conference Dubois had words with two representatives of the District Attorney’s office.

“My right as a parent has been taken away,” he said. “The one right I have left has been taken away from me.”

He then quickly walked off with his girlfriend.

To Mr. Dubois, I am so very sorry, I don't think I can be as angry as you are but I am very angry as it is, as I have seen this over and over and over again since the 1970's.

But now that you know the truth, help us put something in place to stop this.  We are on YOUR SIDE, unlike that SENIOR PAROLE OFFICER - a closet PEDOPHILE,  imo, MOO, who would pay money to spend a night listening to what GARNDER did, so he could sell it to the his sick cronies inthe LA news media. Or a Hollywood producer. You know them, LA mobster$ ALL.

Pedophelia is a far, far bigger problem than ppl realize, it's everywhere, and the more money you have the more ways they can get at it and the more rationalizations they have to condone it.  And CALFIRONIA IS THE CAPITAL FOR THE WORLD of all this.

SENIOR PAROLE OFFICER. My ahat.

I keep saying that the SYSTEM at key points is littered with pedo protectors, and IMO pedo$$$$$$ themselves.

I've said it, and I'd say it to that Senrior Parole Officer's face, "only a pedo admirer would do this to a vic's family". That senior parole officer is an exemplary PART OF CALFIRONIA'S PEDOPHILE PROBLEM. Someone should put him on adminstrative leave instantly, but of course, dear Arnold is reputed to have been part of the global porn network himself back in his day.

Who will come in and rid us those Senior Parole Officers, freeze his bank account and see how much money he took money from from the networks, who are part and integral parcel of the global pedo video business.

People have to start SCREAMING that JUSTICE HAS NOT BEEN SERVED IN THESE TWO CASES, that justice is constantly thwarted by the pedo porn busine$$ which have PAROLE OFFICERS (Jaycee Lee Dugard anyone?) and the media ON THE SIDE OF THE GARDNER'S OF THE WORLD.

That is, if ppl really want this to stop. Otherwise, it's just a sham.


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 14, 2010, 06:27:59 PM
This is when he showed his true colors at the hearing:

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The clip where he mouthed "She hit me" should be edited and posted on YOUTUBE as a request to GARDNER'S MOTHER to please do us all a favor and commit suicide, AND THAT SENIORPAROLE OFFICER, who screwed Moe Dubois out of his impact stmt day in court, the same, and all the talking heads who excused the child murdering accomplice mother of that useless piece of DNA, who .... WHY IS HE NOT DEAD YET, WHAT KIND OF SOCIETY IS THIS? Come on, human rights OK, but there is a line drawn by humanity that says this is NOT JUSTICE, this is RIDICULOUS, this is aiding and abetting. There are near 9 billion ppl on the planet, it's time  to clean up the gene pool.



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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 06:28:51 PM
The media keeps blabbing on and on about Gardner crying. BULL! He was pretending to sob but I did not see one tear slide down his face. It was all a disgusting act egged on by his attorneys and probably his deficient mother. The only glimpse you received from the REAL COWARD was his rage at Candace's remark about his nose. Good for her! I hope she got some much needed strength today and can start putting her life back together. My heart goes out to here today as well. I am so proud of her that she did not let the COWARD take her love of running away!


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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 06:30:17 PM
There are many lessons to be learned from this. One is, DO NOT ENABLE YOUR CHILDREN! Nothing good can ever come of it!


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Post by: Shell on May 14, 2010, 06:48:33 PM


I got the feeling that when Gardner had his head down and was breathing deeply as if trying to hold back tears, it was not from any sadness, but it was out of the rage he felt.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 06:56:35 PM


I got the feeling that when Gardner had his head down and was breathing deeply as if trying to hold back tears, it was not from any sadness, but it was out of the rage he felt.
Me too, and the look on his ugly face when Candace said that about his nose, I could only think, this is what Chelsea and Amber had to look at, the uncontrollable anger on his face. The look he gave scared me, terrifying.


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Post by: Edward on May 14, 2010, 06:56:54 PM
Actually we did see some remorse out of him but when the gal talked of hitting him in the nose.. Well then you see in him what got our 2 girls murdered.
He ignites on being hit.. That is when the rage comes out. That tells me that Our 2 girls most likely tried to fight him off. The girl that got away was able to land one on his nose which makes the eyes water... and she ran ! thank god for that.


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Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 06:58:04 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/14/victim-families-say-gardner-will-burn-hell/

Victim families: Gardner will 'burn in hell'
Judge sentences the killer to three life sentences


By Matthew T. Hall, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Friday, May 14, 2010 at 3:09 p.m.

John Albert Gardner III’s victims had their say in court today, reading prepared statements that were heavy on loss and anger.

Six people in all tried to articulate the toll Gardner’s violence took on their lives, many of them saying he would burn in hell as part of his punishment and criticizing the system that let such heinous crimes take place.

Brent and Kelly King, the parents of murdered Poway 17-year-old Chelsea King, also directed some of their anger at Gardner’s father, largely absent from his life, and his mother, who they said should have acted to protect the community during the year between Amber’s disappearance and Chelsea’s death.

“Your mother, Cathy Osborne, knew what you were capable of and did nothing to protect us from you,” Brent King said. “She knew who you were after you violently beat and tried to rape that poor 13-year-old girl a decade ago.”

Gardner served five years in prison for that 2000 beating and molesting of a former Rancho Bernardo neighbor and spent three years on parole.

Carrie McGonigle, mother of murdered Escondido 14-year-old Amber Dubois, said she wished she could have traded places with her daughter the morning of her abduction so she could have fought off Gardner.

Gardner largely cast his eyes downward and sat grim-faced, taking deep breaths throughout the hourlong hearing in which he was sentenced to life in prison without parole.

But he reacted twice to what was said to him, once when the mother of murder victim Chelsea King, 17, of Poway, urged him to “Look at me” and once when a woman he assaulted prompted his only words of the day.

Candice Moncayo, the 22-year-old jogger who was assaulted by Gardner in December but escaped after elbowing him in the face, ended her tearful remarks, saying, “I came here today ... finally, to ask him how his nose is.”


Gardner immediately appeared agitated and while whispering to his attorney said, “She did it for publicity.”

Gardner was formally sentenced to serve three consecutive life terms in prison without parole, plus an additional 24 years, for raping and killing Amber in February 2009 and Chelsea a year later, and for assaulting Moncayo. No one spoke on his behalf.

Amber’s father, Moe Dubois, said he hopes Gardner suffers for a long time and also used his statement to criticize the system.

“It’s obvious the legal system failed us here, with all of the missed opportunities that ultimately allowed this monster to stalk our streets and harm our loved ones,” he said.

“He will burn in hell for the acts he has committed,” he said. “I just hope that day is an agonizingly long way away and that he will have to suffer as much as well have, actually more.”

David Cave, McGonigle’s former boyfriend, also spoke on Amber’s behalf, decrying the selfish acts and savage actions of Gardner that affected so many. Echoing other speakers, he said Amber inspires him still.

That was a running theme through the comments of Kelly King, Chelsea’s mother.

“I miss and mourn for Chelsea more deeply than one can ever imagine except for my son and husband,” Kelly King said. “The three of us, and millions of others, will never let Chelsea’s light go out.”

The last to speak, she concluded, “You no longer exist. My daughter will always exist. While your name will be quickly forgotten, hers won’t. You have not defeated me. I will carry on my daughter’s beautiful spirit with pride and purpose.”


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Post by: Edward on May 14, 2010, 07:00:39 PM
When nations seek out No Death as penalty..
That agenda is pushed by the criminal networks.


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Post by: MuffyBee on May 14, 2010, 07:15:58 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_969bfdc0-5fa6-11df-9125-001cc4c002e0.html
REGION: Gardner sentenced to two life terms
Sentencing closes another chapter in Amber Dubois and Chelsea King murders
May 14, 2010

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John Albert Gardner III, a convicted sex offender who was previously imprisoned for sexually assaulting a 13-year-old neighbor, was sentenced Friday to two consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole for raping and murdering North County teenagers Amber Dubois and Chelsea King.

The sentencing came after the parents of the slain girls and another woman he assaulted addressed Gardner, 31, directly in court, prompting him to cry at times and, in one instance, to show a dramatic flash of anger.

That moment came when the woman he assaulted on Dec. 27, 2009, Candice Moncayo, ended her emotional statement by saying, "How is your nose?"

That was a reference to her fending off the attack by hitting Gardner in the nose.

Gardner's face changed from one of sadness to rage and he was seen telling his attorneys that she had hit him.

During the hour-long hearing, Moncayo, along with the parents of Chelsea and Amber, variously called Gardner a monster, said he should burn in hell and predicted he would be murdered by a fellow inmate.

Amber's mother Carrie McConigle told Gardner that he extinguished a bright and shining star.

"I believe in my heart that Amber would forgive, and today I choose to take my strength from my daughter's strength and forgive, but I also choose to never forget the pain that you caused or the loss that I feel," she said.

Chelsea's mother Kelly King demanded the handcuffed Gardner, who spent most of the hearing staring downward, face her when she spoke.

"Look at me," she said, pausing, and Gardner eventually did.

"You have taken a life that was worth an infinite number of yours," she said. "You have earned the hatred of millions of people and you now spend the rest of your life and eternity in the worst and deepest parts of hell."

Videos of the two girls shown during the hearing recounted the upbringing of each and their hopes for their adult years.

It was when the first video was played, one telling about the life of Amber, that Gardner began to cry.

Amber's father, Maurice Dubois, told Gardner he had "heartlessly murdered and discarded our beautiful daughter."

"I truly hope you suffer a hundred times the amount of pain you caused," he said. "You will burn in hell for the acts you committed. I just hope that day is an agonizingly long way away and that you will have to suffer as much as we all have, actually more."

Chelsea's father Brent King called Gardner a coward.

"You are not a man," he said. "You are evil."

The Kings also were highly critical of Gardner's mother, who sat in the front row of the packed San Diego courtroom.

Both said she had failed to alert authorities about her son when Amber was abducted and did not tell police that her son was staying at her Rancho Bernardo home when Chelsea went missing in the area.

"You have much to account for," Brent King said to Gardner's mother, who was quickly escorted from the courtroom by deputies when the hearing ended.

Moncayo told Gardner that she wakes up screaming some mornings.

"I had the utter conviction that I was going to die and the pain that comes from being the only survivor," she said. "But I came here today for all of the women who have ever been victims of violence."

Gardner did not speak during the hearing. The public defender's office issued a statement following the sentencing:

"Mr. Gardner has accepted responsibility for his actions. Mr. Gardner wishes to express remorse for his actions, knowing that nothing he can say or do can possibly atone for the harm he has caused the victims and their families. Mr. Gardner is willing to assist by giving authorities some insights as to his thought process at the time these crimes were committed."

The punishment for Gardner was the result of a plea deal that pulled the death penalty off the table. The deal spared the families of the slain girls a lengthy and brutal trial. And because Gardner waived his right to an appeal, Friday's sentencing brought an end to the legal cases.

The sentence was handed down by San Diego Superior Court Judge David Danielsen.

The crimes

Amber, 14,  was a freshman at Escondido High School when she vanished while walking to school the morning of Feb. 13, 2009. She might have been the victim of foul play, or she might have run away from home, police said.

Hundreds searched for the shy girl who had planned on the day she disappeared to buy a lamb through the Future Farmers of America Club. She went to school carrying a $200 check to pay for the animal she was going to name Nannette.

Police had little, if anything, to go on. They questioned parents, neighbors, even sex offenders in the area ---- including Gardner ---- but turned up nothing.

What followed was a cruel year for her family. No way she ran away, they insisted. She had been abducted. In fact, two weeks before Amber vanished, her mother spoke to her about news reports of a man who was following young girls in inland North County. Amber's mom warned her to run away if it happened to her.

On Dec. 27, 2009, college student Moncayo was taking a run on trails at Rancho Bernardo Community Park near Lake Hodges when a man tackled her and asked for money.

Fearing the stranger would rape her, she jammed her elbow to his nose and fled.

Two months later, on Feb. 25, Poway High School senior Chelsea went for a run on those same trails and vanished.

Authorities searched the area and made an ominous find: the 17-year-old teenager's underwear. Lab tests revealed the material contained the DNA of Gardner, a registered sex offender.

On Feb. 28, authorities tracked Gardner to a popular restaurant on the north side of Lake Hodges, and arrested him for the rape and murder of Chelsea.

It took another two days to find Chelsea's body, buried alongside a lake tributary.

Gardner pleaded not guilty the day after Chelsea was found, on March 3. But behind the scenes, he was confessing.

On March 5, Gardner secretly led authorities to a remote site in Pala northeast of Escondido where he had raped, killed and buried Amber.

Amber's parents were told her remains were found in the rural spot, adjacent to a paved road off Pala-Temecula Road near the Pala Casino. The remote spot is about a 30-minute drive from Escondido High School.

But authorities kept mum, even to the slain girl's parents, regarding the truth of how they knew where to look.

Publicly, the only information Escondido police shared was that Gardner was "a focus" of their investigation into Amber's slaying.

Gardner pleads guilty

Then, on April 16, came the bombshell: Gardner pleaded guilty to killing both teens.

Amber, he raped and stabbed within 90 minutes of grabbing her, he admitted.

Chelsea, he raped and strangled inside of an hour after dragging her from the running trail, he said.

San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis said her office struck a deal: Gardner would plead guilty to both killings, and they would not seek to have him executed.

She said there was simply no evidence linking Gardner to Amber ---- other than the fact that he told authorities what he had done.

But in exchange for leading investigators to the Amber's remains, prosecutors agreed not to use Gardner's confession against him.

If they found anything else tying Gardner to Amber, that was fair game. But there was nothing.

The dilemma: authorities said they had enough evidence in Chelsea's slaying to send Gardner to death row. But they could not win justice for Amber's slaying without Gardner's confession.

Chelsea's parents ---- who said they had wanted their daughter's killer to be executed ---- agreed to a deal that spared Gardner from execution, in part to give Amber's parents the answers and justice they needed.

McGonigle then did what for many was unthinkable: on Wednesday, she sat down with her daughter's killer to get answers.

McGonigle said the 30-minute encounter at a downtown San Diego jail brought her the answers she needed.

She is not yet willing to share what he told her, other than to say Gardner said he had targeted Amber at random.

McGonigle said she does plan to share the answer to a vital question for parents: how he got Amber into the car as she walked on a very busy street in the light of day.

Gardner's case brought changes

The plea deal, coming just six weeks after Gardner was charged with killing Chelsea, brought a lightning-fast resolution to crimes that shook the North County community.

"I think it's another step toward closure," said Joe Peters of Carlsbad, a longtime friend of Amber's family who helped organize searches for the teen. "Hopefully, it gives them peace. And hopefully it would also serve to remind the community again to take care of their children ... because there's people like John Gardner still out there."

Aside from the local impact, the stories of Chelsea and Amber have prompted scrutiny of state sex offender laws and whether enough is being done to protect the public from sexually violent predators.

Within two weeks of Gardner's arrest, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered a review of the way the state handled Gardner's molestation case from 2000.

The scrutiny also led Schwarzenegger to change a corrections department policy of destroying parole agents' field notes a year after ex-convicts were released from supervision. Now, the field notes are kept indefinitely.

Cheslea's parents worked with state Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, R-San Diego, to introduce a bill dubbed "Chelsea's Law," which would tighten laws governing violent sex offenders.

Amber's parents turned their attention toward the search for missing kids. Her father, Moe Dubois, has started an organization he named "More Kids," which focuses on bringing media attention and resources in the search for missing children.

Amber's mother, McGonigle, last month hosted a four-day search-and-rescue training, and plans to hold similar programs again.

Dawn Davis, a senior case manager for the Texas-based Laura Recovery Center Foundation, which helped organize searches for both Amber and Chelsea, said the case will always scar the families of Gardner's victims. Closure, she said, is a fallacy.

"As glad as we are that he's going to be sentenced, there's still going to be missing pieces. Amber's still missing. Chelsea's still missing. ... For the families, I don't think there's any such thing as closure. There's always an open wound."

Call staff writer Teri Figueroa at 760-740-5442. Call staff writer Mark Walker at 760-740-3529.

Staff writer Chris Nichols contributed to this report.





   


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 14, 2010, 07:17:05 PM

Gardner immediately appeared agitated and while whispering to his attorney said, “She did it for publicity.”  ::MonkeyEek:: He is nothing but vile and vicious, and I do hope when he gets to prison, the guards turn their backs, and let what needs to happen, happen.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 14, 2010, 07:30:17 PM
You know what makes me very happy? For the rest of his life he will play over and over again in his mind his victim getting the last word and publically embarrassing him. He lost control because the control he felt as he sat there in the court room shifted out of his sorry hands right back to the victims. That will be his hell on earth. Good for her, what a brave young lady she is.

BTW, I have not wanted to say this but Gardner looks like my ex husband to the point my autistic son saw his pic and said " that is my daddy" Freaky isn't it? God I hope they are not related but if so, it would answer a lot of questions.


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Post by: cookie on May 14, 2010, 07:35:49 PM
You know what makes me very happy? For the rest of his life he will play over and over again in his mind his victim getting the last word and publically embarrassing him. He lost control because the control he felt as he sat there in the court room shifted out of his sorry hands right back to the victims. That will be his hell on earth. Good for her, what a brave young lady she is.

BTW, I have not wanted to say this but Gardner looks like my ex husband to the point my autistic son saw his pic and said " that is my daddy" Freaky isn't it? God I hope they are not related but if so, it would answer a lot of questions.

I almost always have the same thoughts on these cases as you do Tracygirl... ::MonkeyAngel:: 

It is freaky that this guy looks like your ex! 


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Post by: Shell on May 14, 2010, 07:43:38 PM
Actually we did see some remorse out of him but when the gal talked of hitting him in the nose.. Well then you see in him what got our 2 girls murdered.
He ignites on being hit.. That is when the rage comes out. That tells me that Our 2 girls most likely tried to fight him off. The girl that got away was able to land one on his nose which makes the eyes water... and she ran ! thank god for that.


What you and we saw as remorse, I did not see it that way. I saw holding something back. Maybe it was tears, but it seemed to me like anger.  You know I love all you do here Edward. We can't agree all the time.  ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: Shell on May 14, 2010, 07:48:12 PM
Jag also gets to die in a peaceful manner. Maybe Carrie should have been wearing running shorts and holding onto a beer? She needs to be fired from her job. She is as worthless as her son.

Tracygirl-your comment really got to me. "Jag also gets to die in a peaceful manner".
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: No human being should have to go through what those sweet, young inncocent young ladies went through.


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Post by: Edward on May 14, 2010, 07:50:38 PM
I hope that one day Carrie does share with everyone how Gardner got Amber into his vehicle as that will then give everyone a tool to use in defense for there childs safety.
Something to say...Look at this, do not allow this to happen.. or RUN...

Always RUN
IF encountered and grabbed fight, bite, scream and yell, rip eyes .. do not be afraid to harm him or them in any way.. Blood under your finger nails is a good thing in that kind of situation.
jmho
 


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Post by: Shell on May 14, 2010, 07:57:58 PM


I really liked it that that big old blob  ::piggy:: of a bully was called a coward over and over.

They got the last word. I imagine he is fuming now.



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Post by: Shell on May 14, 2010, 08:05:14 PM
Actually we did see some remorse out of him but when the gal talked of hitting him in the nose.. Well then you see in him what got our 2 girls murdered.
He ignites on being hit.. That is when the rage comes out. That tells me that Our 2 girls most likely tried to fight him off. The girl that got away was able to land one on his nose which makes the eyes water... and she ran ! thank god for that.


What you and we saw as remorse, I did not see it that way. I saw holding something back. Maybe it was tears, but it seemed to me like anger.  You know I love all you do here Edward. We can't agree all the time.  ::MonkeyKiss::

I rewatched, and did see some tears fall.


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Post by: Edward on May 14, 2010, 08:08:57 PM
 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 08:51:52 PM
Our local news is reporting that the COWARD said "She did not hit me, she is doing this for publicity". What an idiot he is. They got his DNA off of Candace from the blood from his nose after she broke it. I am still trying to figure out why that blood was not rushed to a lab for immediate processing. Perhaps if Candace was a minor, it would have been. So many lost opportunities. It is a scary thing to watch how pathetic our system really is. I blame the dirt bag judge that let the COWARD get such a light sentence in 2000. These liberal judges who feel sorry for predators have to go. He blatantly ignored the psychiatrists recommendation and because of that two innocent girls had to die. Then there is the probation department, Cathy Osborne, etc etc etc. It is mind boggling.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 14, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
My own tear were falling much harder than Gardner's. He was fighting back some emotions thats for sure. I'm sure his heart was pounding so hard he probably wished he were dead. Now he has years to do nothing but think.


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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 10:14:52 PM
My own tear were falling much harder than Gardner's. He was fighting back some emotions thats for sure. I'm sure his heart was pounding so hard he probably wished he were dead. Now he has years to do nothing but think.

I hate to be so jaded but I think the sobbing and tears were an act. Having said that, the only time I have seen any kind of emotion from him is where Amber is concerned. Perhaps because he spent more time with Amber? Maybe she became a person to him. Hard to say. He was nodding yes when Chelsea's father pointed out how the other prisoners would no doubt come after him. Perhaps he was looking for some sympathy from the other prisoners? If he had any real remorse, he would have turned himself in, the moment he started having his sick thoughts. He spent 3 years in prison for a prior sex offense, I am sure that he could have gotten counseling if he truly wanted it. He is just a selfish piece of garbage that in my opinion does not have any feelings for anyone other than himself. Now he can watch and wait and wonder when his life will be over. He is such a coward that I am sure he will be terrified. That prison is not filled with little girls. There are real men there, men his own size. All I can say to that is YIPPEE! Goodbye Coward and good riddance!


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 14, 2010, 10:36:44 PM
Kodo's to Carie for taking the hi road and doing what Amber would do. She forgave the man, but not the crime. She is my role model for handling her self in a crises.


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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 10:47:09 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/23551255/detail.html

If you scroll to the bottom of the news story, you can read some comments from local San Diego residents.


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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 10:51:34 PM
Kodo's to Carie for taking the hi road and doing what Amber would do. She forgave the man, but not the crime. She is my role model for handling her self in a crises.

I was awed by all of those that spoke. I honestly do not know if I would have had the strength to get up in front of that court in front of that monster. They are the pillars of strength and I was just so overcome with emotion. They are all such incredible people. I truly believe that one day they will be able to move forward. Perhaps in a different manner but they will one day be able to experience laughter and joy again. They are all so strong and remarkably courageous during such a horrific ordeal. I have said it before, Carrie is an amazing, remarkable, strong woman.


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Post by: sebastian on May 14, 2010, 11:46:13 PM
http://media.signonsandiego.com/news/documents/2010/04/26/sdge.pdf

In this document it states that the coward followed another girl, 11 years old. An "unknown female" thought it looked suspicious and trailed the girl until she got home. I am so thankful to that unknown female. We all need to be aware of our surroundings and anything that looks suspicious or out of place.


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Post by: Shell on May 15, 2010, 02:21:58 AM
Our local news is reporting that the COWARD said "She did not hit me, she is doing this for publicity". What an idiot he is. They got his DNA off of Candace from the blood from his nose after she broke it. I am still trying to figure out why that blood was not rushed to a lab for immediate processing. Perhaps if Candace was a minor, it would have been. So many lost opportunities. It is a scary thing to watch how pathetic our system really is. I blame the dirt bag judge that let the COWARD get such a light sentence in 2000. These liberal judges who feel sorry for predators have to go. He blatantly ignored the psychiatrists recommendation and because of that two innocent girls had to die. Then there is the probation department, Cathy Osborne, etc etc etc. It is mind boggling.

Here is how our news reported it..."She didn't hit me"..."She's a liar"..."She is doing this for publicity"


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Post by: Shell on May 15, 2010, 02:58:47 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pDMfchBcCI&feature=email

I am not sure if this has been posted, but here is link to the report with the phone interview.


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 15, 2010, 03:22:34 AM
Our local news is reporting that the COWARD said "She did not hit me, she is doing this for publicity". What an idiot he is. They got his DNA off of Candace from the blood from his nose after she broke it. I am still trying to figure out why that blood was not rushed to a lab for immediate processing. Perhaps if Candace was a minor, it would have been. So many lost opportunities. It is a scary thing to watch how pathetic our system really is. I blame the dirt bag judge that let the COWARD get such a light sentence in 2000. These liberal judges who feel sorry for predators have to go. He blatantly ignored the psychiatrists recommendation and because of that two innocent girls had to die. Then there is the probation department, Cathy Osborne, etc etc etc. It is mind boggling.

I don't know what the local media is trying to do except make Gardener look good. If you read lips, which many investigators are trained to do to "hear" conversations across the way, youwill umistabably see - if you watched the real timestream that he started with " SHE HITM E"... the cameras panned away ... but he IGNITED and went "she hit me", and the look on his face was if he ever gets out he is going to try to finish the job.


The media was PROPERLY EXCORIATED by BOTH Moe BuBois and Mr. King, and they deserved it BIG TIME. This is their way of getting back:

--- misrepresenting the truth of Gardner, making him out to be contrite when he is merely manipulative
--- saying Gardner's mother is not to blame
--- making this abotu Gardner instead of the vics.

I PRAY if there are any next vics, they hit the media first and leave the rest of us alone.




Here is how our news reported it..."She didn't hit me"..."She's a liar"..."She is doing this for publicity"


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 15, 2010, 03:34:03 AM
My own tear were falling much harder than Gardner's. He was fighting back some emotions thats for sure. I'm sure his heart was pounding so hard he probably wished he were dead. Now he has years to do nothing but think.

Thes pervs cry only when it is about THEM. They twist everything to be about them. That's a triple diagnosis sociopath. He ain't crying because of what he did, they cry because they GOT CAUGHT and these girls have families that can make him look real bad with their videos.  He's crying becuase "Mommy look how bad they are making me" out to be, they have no right". THAT'S HOW THEY THINK. The rage that you see with his head bent and the tears are only for himself in his twisted mind, the videos are making him look bad, just as Candice Moncayo's mocking comment (God Bless You CANDICE!) made him look bad.

Don't fall for it. Don't fall for it. The media encourages this because they are merely one step behind those like him, egging them on. And the mother, NURSE RATCHETT or not, needs to understand the concept of honor, and just kill herself already.


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 15, 2010, 10:03:24 AM
Except for the time that Gardner got angry by what Candace said, I saw the rest of him as a person that looked like all of this was a waste of his time. He came across to me as a person, that was sitting there wishing for it to end, and why bother me, I could care less about all of your devastation. May he rot in his prison cell, not even worth it for me to say his name again. Poster person for vile and vicious, without any redeeming qualities.


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Post by: Edward on May 15, 2010, 11:39:18 AM
Kodo's to Carie for taking the hi road and doing what Amber would do. She forgave the man, but not the crime. She is my role model for handling her self in a crises.

I was awed by all of those that spoke. I honestly do not know if I would have had the strength to get up in front of that court in front of that monster. They are the pillars of strength and I was just so overcome with emotion. They are all such incredible people. I truly believe that one day they will be able to move forward. Perhaps in a different manner but they will one day be able to experience laughter and joy again. They are all so strong and remarkably courageous during such a horrific ordeal. I have said it before, Carrie is an amazing, remarkable, strong woman.


I have to love Carrie for all she has done over the time period and now I have so much respect for all of them to stand strong and united against Evil.
It will never be the same without Amber in thier lives..
It will never be the same for the family of Chelsea. They have lost a wonderful child who had grown into a beautiful and well rounded young adult.
 


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Post by: Edward on May 15, 2010, 11:42:49 AM
I only regret not finding him sooner, LE had the opertunity to do so with the cell phone signal and the S.O. list available to them, as this guy wanted to get caught in my humble opinion. LE considered Amber alive and so did many others such as the professional search teams and even Mr. Klass.. That belief is what kept them all from persueing the Culprit with a vengence.
The monkey team was wonderful in there research efforts and support of the family and kept an open mind with research from both possible outcomes.
Let us continue our efforts for other familes. 


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Post by: Edward on May 15, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
I asked one of my friends who is a detective if he thought we would ever become a help to LE concerning missing people.
He told me the most difficult thing we will run into is getting somebody with authority to listen. He said LE is inundated with all kinds of people trying to give there opinions..

That was 5 years ago during the Natalee Holloway investigation..

So True it is... Sad but True.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2010, 12:03:53 PM
A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL!!

John Gardner pleads guilty to murdering Chelsea King and Amber Dubois
Apr 16, 2010


District Attorney)Dumanis said that on March 5, three days after Gardner was arraigned on charges he murdered King, the defendant led authorities to Dubois’ body.

The only promise made to Gardner, Dumanis said, was that the information could not be used against him in court.

No other evidence, including DNA, was found to tie Gardner to Dubois’ murder, and prosecutors knew they couldn’t make a case against the defendant, Dumanis said.

She said the death penalty was still on the table in the King case, but recently Gardner offered to plead guilty to both murders and admitted killing both girls and assaulting the woman in Rancho Bernardo Park.

“By accepting this guilty plea, we are obtaining a conviction for the murder of Amber that we would not otherwise have been able to obtain,” Dumanis said.

Both the King and Dubois families agreed that accepting the defendant’s offer to plead guilty was the best solution that could be attained, the district attorney said.

“We do know that a sentence of life without the possibility of parole means the defendant will die in prison,” Dumanis said.

http://www.kusi.com/news/local/91057369.html


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 15, 2010, 12:24:14 PM
Unfortunately sometimes a deal has to be made with the devil, and it is clear in this case. He will die in prison, if he were to be on Death Row in this state, his execution more then likely would never have happened anyway. Sad but true.


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Post by: sebastian on May 15, 2010, 12:30:21 PM
Unfortunately sometimes a deal has to be made with the devil, and it is clear in this case. He will die in prison, if he were to be on Death Row in this state, his execution more then likely would never have happened anyway. Sad but true.

Very true No Rose. Had he been sentenced to death row, 50 years from now, we all would have had to watch the hundreds of knuckle heads come out with their signs protesting. That is one scene that I am glad that the families can be spared from. I guess Hollywood will have to garner their signs for someone else.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2010, 12:31:47 PM
Unfortunately sometimes a deal has to be made with the devil, and it is clear in this case. He will die in prison, if he were to be on Death Row in this state, his execution more then likely would never have happened anyway. Sad but true.

I agree.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 15, 2010, 01:12:06 PM
Unfortunately sometimes a deal has to be made with the devil, and it is clear in this case. He will die in prison, if he were to be on Death Row in this state, his execution more then likely would never have happened anyway. Sad but true.

Very true No Rose. Had he been sentenced to death row, 50 years from now, we all would have had to watch the hundreds of knuckle heads come out with their signs protesting. That is one scene that I am glad that the families can be spared from. I guess Hollywood will have to garner their signs for someone else.
Exactly


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 15, 2010, 01:13:38 PM
Unfortunately sometimes a deal has to be made with the devil, and it is clear in this case. He will die in prison, if he were to be on Death Row in this state, his execution more then likely would never have happened anyway. Sad but true.

I agree.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet

It makes me more then mad, but what really makes me mad, are all the lost opportunities to put that monster back in prison, because people weren't doing their jobs proper  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 15, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
Except for the time that Gardner got angry by what Candace said, I saw the rest of him as a person that looked like all of this was a waste of his time. He came across to me as a person, that was sitting there wishing for it to end, and why bother me, I could care less about all of your devastation. May he rot in his prison cell, not even worth it for me to say his name again. Poster person for vile and vicious, without any redeeming qualities.

The tears where for him, he has no remorse and would commit rape and murder again. His anger showed us all why this man needs to be locked away forever. I am grateful for the deal that lead to recovering Amber. Amber deserved to be found and not forever baried in a remote area, never to be found. If this means Gardner has to live in prison then so be it. He will never get out and he will never have friends or any kind of life there. He has a big old target on his back and I trust the prison community will take care of him and good. They will make sure he experiences the horrific rape and torture he forced upon his victims. They will kill him too and he will suffer a painful death. In my opinion it is better then a simple shot in the arm.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 15, 2010, 01:47:50 PM
I only regret not finding him sooner, LE had the opertunity to do so with the cell phone signal and the S.O. list available to them, as this guy wanted to get caught in my humble opinion. LE considered Amber alive and so did many others such as the professional search teams and even Mr. Klass.. That belief is what kept them all from persueing the Culprit with a vengence.
The monkey team was wonderful in there research efforts and support of the family and kept an open mind with research from both possible outcomes.
Let us continue our efforts for other familes. 

Edward you should have no regrets. We have only limited information, but even with that, we had him on the list of offenders. Someone posted what a possible profile would be and it was pretty close to Gardner. We did all we could with the information we had. Imagine if we knew a year ago what we know now. We would have pointed right to him.

As for other families, yes other families and victims of families that have simply written their loved one off such as Shantina "Kat" Smiley. No one cares about her, she needs us to care. She needs us to look into her disappearance. Two weeks went by, no body found and a memorial was planned and the searches stopped. It is keeping me up at nights.


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Post by: Edward on May 15, 2010, 05:24:37 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/15/2752369/mothers-of-murder-victim-and-killer.html#mi_rss=Sacramento%20City%20News


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 15, 2010, 07:53:26 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/15/2752369/mothers-of-murder-victim-and-killer.html#mi_rss=Sacramento%20City%20News
Thank-you for that article, you sure don't see something like this very often  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 15, 2010, 08:27:34 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/15/2752369/mothers-of-murder-victim-and-killer.html#mi_rss=Sacramento%20City%20News

No you surely don't see that everyday, do you.


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Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2010, 10:27:47 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/23573586/detail.html

News Conference On Gardner Investigation Set For Monday

POSTED: 4:58 pm PDT May 16, 2010
UPDATED: 5:31 pm PDT May 16, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- More about the investigations into the murders of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King might be learned on Monday when representatives of several law enforcement agencies gather for a news conference.

Programming Note: Carrie McGonigle, the mother of Amber Dubois, is scheduled to be on Good Morning America on Monday morning. Tune in to ABC-10 to watch the show from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. 10News will also show excerpts of her interview starting at 4:30 a.m.

Members of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department will be on hand, along with the Escondido Police Department, San Diego Police Department, San Diego District Attorney's Office and FBI. The sheriff's contingent will include homicide detectives and personnel from the crime lab and search-and-rescue team.

There was little for detectives to share after Amber disappeared on Feb. 13, 2009, as she walked to Escondido High School as, for a time, it was unknown whether they were dealing with a case of foul play or a runaway.

At one point, they released to the media a grainy surveillance tape of a vehicle that appeared near campus but it turned out there was no connection with the Dubois case.

Law enforcement was mostly tight-lipped after King disappeared on Feb. 25, often responding with "no comment" when questioned about specifics during news briefings.

Much was learned after convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III pleaded guilty last month to the murders.

Search warrants subsequently unsealed by area judges revealed the discovery of undergarments that contained DNA that linked Gardner to Chelsea, and that he apparently followed other girls or women in his car as they walked down the street.

District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis refused to comment until Gardner, 31, was sentenced, and she asked other agencies to follow suit.

Gardner was sentenced Friday to two consecutive life terms plus 49 years, freeing up officials to discuss particulars.

Chelsea's parents have fought to keep certain details of her killing confidential.


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Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2010, 10:30:45 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Murder-Victims-Mother-Reveals-What-the-Killer/ZLDaO8H0EECHPVO1SZdWmg.cspx

Murder Victim's Mother Reveals What the Killer Told Her

Last Update: 6:46 am

SAN DIEGO - Escondido teenager Amber Dubois had nowhere to run when John Albert Gardner III pulled up beside her as she walked to school, her mother said Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Carrie McGonigle talked about her one-on-one jailhouse meeting with Gardner, in which he told her about what happened on Feb. 13, 2009.

He "told (Amber) to get in the car or it would be a lot worse for her," McGonigle said. "She had nowhere to go. She was stuck."

McGonigle said she had talked to her 14-year-old daughter about being approached by strangers in the weeks before her rape and murder. Gardner claimed he told Amber he had a knife and gun but didn't show her the weapons.

McGonigle fought to talk with Gardner last week. She confronted Gardner's mother outside the jailhouse and begged her unsuccessfully to give up her visitation so she could quiz him. It's not clear how McGonigle finally secured her visit.

Gardner, 31, was sentenced to two life terms without the possibility of parole for raping and murdering Amber and 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway. King, a student athlete, was abducted Feb. 25 while on an after-school run near Lake Hodges.

Gardner spent about five years in prison for attacking another girl in 2000 at his mother's home in Rancho Bernardo. At the time, a court psychiatrist warned authorities that Gardner showed no remorse and would be a threat to society.

After being arrested for Chelsea's murder, Gardner led authorities to Amber's remains in Pala. For more than a year, Amber's family fought to keep her name in the spotlight, adamant that she would not have run away.

McGonigle said there were other details from her meeting with Gardner but she would not disclose them out of respect for Amber's father, who was not ready to hear about it.

She told GMA she was now focusing on her 7-year-old daughter, trying not to hold onto all the hate and anger she feels over her daughter's murder.


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Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2010, 10:55:03 AM
News conference will be at 10am or in about 2 hours

http://www.10news.com/news/23573586/detail.html


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 17, 2010, 11:30:09 AM
I applaud Amber's mother for doing what she did; however, I don't know that I would take the word of a serial killer about anything, esp. one day before his sentencing, I am sure he spoke with hislawyers about what to say. He could say anything as long as it did not sound like kidnapping at gunpoint. I still think he produced a weapon. The questions I would also have asked is if he took pictures e.g., with a cell phone,  and what he did with them. Which of the 11 pedos he lived next to did he talk to about Amber even if not by name. They know when someone just got "a fix". Especially his mother. The mother would know about other victims - number and the date/time his behavior peaked and subsided - at the very least. LE should find a way to put the screws to her. She's still out on the street.

What bothers me the most is that when asked about other victims (and I would put money on it there are others)  Gardner replied "Nice try". I want to know who he hung out with and who he talked to about his hits, because it's what they do.

There is A LOT to be learned from John Mark Karr and applied to the case of Gardner, as far as I am concerned, regarding pedo networks. I have always said it, and always will: it goes to the top and is covered up. The Karr case is linked with the Asimov case regarding hte larges mfr and distr of pedo porn, and Santa Rosa/Petaluma is a key center, still.


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 17, 2010, 11:38:19 AM
I asked one of my friends who is a detective if he thought we would ever become a help to LE concerning missing people.
He told me the most difficult thing we will run into is getting somebody with authority to listen. He said LE is inundated with all kinds of people trying to give there opinions..

That was 5 years ago during the Natalee Holloway investigation..

So True it is... Sad but True.

This is absolutely not the case IMO. Networks like this are a boon to LE, always have been. If only for the fact that pedophiles, pedo pornsters lurk on these types of nets to check out the buzz "about them" if any.  One recent case last week KENDRICK arrrested in Sacramento for arranging to have sex with and kill a 6 y.o Brazilian girl, he SET UP WEBSITES to assist families with Missing and Exploited children. I don't know if this is what sparked adding emails ID's IM and websites of RSO's to their databases, but I do know that in the Sacramento area locally "men" actually got on and expressed their dissatisfaction with that.

In fact, I hope there is permanent logging of IP addresses, and other not so well known Internet tracks visitors leave behind, even by lurkers. Nuff said.


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Post by: Edward on May 17, 2010, 11:42:53 AM
Abraham, Martin and John.. and then came John Jr. and then Diana
all tried to give us the word and lead in the right direction..


Beth, Gloria and Carrie and here comes Gil   ::MonkeyAngel::
These are the leaders in this battle.



They should join forces... Oh Greta pay attention !!  ::MonkeyWink::


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 17, 2010, 02:42:40 PM
Slain girl's mom: Killer trapped victim on street
By The Associated Press

Monday, May 17, 2010 at 10:05 a.m.

SAN DIEGO — Amber Dubois' mother says the girl's rapist and killer told her he trapped the 14-year-old in a fenced street and forced her into his car.

Carrie McGonigle, appearing on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday, says John Gardner told her in a jailhouse meeting how he kidnapped her daughter as she walked to school in San Diego County last year.

McGonigle says Amber took a different route that day, and the Escondido street was fenced on both sides. She says Gardner told her to get into the car or it would be "a lot worse" for her. He says he had a knife and gun but didn't show them to her.

Gardner was sentenced to life in prison last week for the deaths of Amber and 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Authorities will discuss the case at a Monday news conference.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/17/slain-girls-mom-killer-trapped-victim-on-street/


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 17, 2010, 02:46:07 PM

Live Video: Panel Answers Questions in Gardner Case



Members of law enforcement and related entities, who participated in the Chelsea King and Amber Dubois investigations are answering questions from the media in a forum.

On Friday afternoon, after his sentencing, Gardner spoke to investigators about other cases, according to Lt. Dennis Brugos. He did not however implicate himself in any other murders.

“We will continue to talk to him as long as we can,” said Brugos.

The department received 600 tips from all over the country that they have assigned to a team of investigators, Brugos said. They are still working to follow up on all the tips received.

Lt. Dennis Brugos with the San Diego County Sheriff's Department started Monday's panel discussion recalling the events of Feb. 26, the day after Chelsea King disappeared at Rancho Bernardo Community Park and an extensive search was launched with members of the sheriff's department, the San Diego police department and search and rescue.

A resident located a pair of underwear and a sock. One of those articles had a small amount of blood on it. The articles of clothing, which later turned out to belong to Chelsea, were brought to the lab on Friday night. They were able to create the DNA profile by Sunday morning.

On Sunday, investigators were notified that DNA found on articles of Chelsea’s clothing matched that of convicted sex offender John Gardner.

After arresting John Gardner on Feb. 28, investigators interviewed him. Gardner brought up Amber Dubois during questioning immediately after his arrest, saying something like “I suppose you’re going to blame me for the girl in Escondido as well,” according to Brugos. However, Gardner refused to admit any role in the disappearance of Chelsea King or Amber Dubois at this time.

On March 2, FBI agents found disturbed ground near Lake Hodges and discovered a shallow grave. Shortly thereafter, Sheriff Bill Gore notified the King family. Her remains were later transported to the medical examiner’s office for an exam which continued into Wednesday, March 3. Chelsea King was positively identified through fingerprints.

On March 5, homicide investigators learned Gardner, accompanied by his attorney, would lead them to Amber Dubois. Gardner directed investigators to an isolated, rural location. Gardner pointed out a specific site which he said was where he had buried Amber. Early the next morning, Amber’s remains were discovered and transported to the medical examiner’s office. She was positively identified by dental records the next day.

When investigators further searched the area where Amber's remains were discovered on Monday, March 8, evidence was recovered. Brugos described the search as "successful" but would not go into details about what was recovered.

Contrary to what Gardner said in a phone interview with a local television station, the search of Kit Carson Park on March 5 was not a ruse.

Brugos said that deputies were driving Gardner to Pala to find the area where Amber’s body was buried at the same time that Escondido police were acting on a tip that a body was spotted in a bag in the pond at the park. A body was never recovered in the search.

“We had nothing to do with Kit Carson Park,” Brugos said Monday.

“We’d never put the search and rescue folks in that kind of danger or that kind of hazard for a ruse,” Capt. Bob Benton with the Escondido police said.

District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis refused to comment on the cases against John Gardner, until he was sentenced and she asked other agencies to do the same.

The official response to many of the questions asked after Chelsea King's disappearance was "no comment" -- and authorities were extremely quiet about the details that led them to the discovery of Amber's Dubois' body in Pala. As well as the circumstances surrounding Amber's death.

Once Gardner was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murders of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King and for the attempted rape of Candice Moncayo, Dumanis announced investigators would address any outstanding questions.

The panel is gathered at the San Diego County Sheriff's Department headquarters on Ridgehaven Court.

Check back here for a recap of key points covered in the discussion later today.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Panel-to-Answer-Questions-in-Gardner-Case-93943059.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 17, 2010, 02:48:21 PM
Amber 'had nowhere to run,' mother tells ABC

SAN DIEGO — Amber Dubois was walking a different route to school when her killer pulled up and told her to get into his car “or it’d be a lot worse” for her, the teen’s mother told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Monday.

John Albert Gardner III also told the girl he had a knife and a gun, but claims he didn’t show the weapons to Amber before she climbed into the car the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, Carrie McGonigle said during the 7:30 a.m. interview.

“She was at the wrong place at the wrong time,” McGonigle said.

The national interview comes after Friday’s emotional sentencing that allowed the families of Gardner’s victims to confront him in court.

Gardner was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the rape and murder of Amber, 14, and Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

He got a third life term for assault with the intent to rape for an attack on a jogger, Candice Moncayo, who escaped after hitting him in the nose.

McGonigle learned the details of Amber’s abduction from Gardner himself when she met with him face-to-face in jail last week, two days before his sentencing. She wanted to ask two questions: Why Amber? And how?

Gardner told her that he was driving on a main Escondido road that morning when he saw Amber walking on a side street. “She turned down a street one block over, and the street had nowhere for her to go. Both sides had fencing, one side to the back of a school and the other to a riverbed,” McGonigle said. “She had nowhere to run. She was stuck.”


McGonigle said that seeing Gardner’s tears turn to glowering anger during the sentencing was revealing, when Candice Moncayo, a jogger who elbowed him during an attack on Dec. 27, asked him how his nose was.

“Seeing that look in his eyes ... seeing his rage, I could see how a girl at 14 would be scared,” McGonigle said.

Amber's mother has waited until now to reveal some of the details of her talk with Gardner because she wanted to share them with her family members first. She said it was important to make them public to help keep other kids safe.

“Don’t let them walk alone and know the way they’re going,” she said.

Law enforcement officials are expected to answer more questions about the investigation into Gardner during a news conference later Monday morning.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/17/amber-aposhad-nowhere-to-runapos-mother-tells-abc/


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Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2010, 02:55:47 PM
I haven't been able to continuously watch but they are still talking:

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12490680#


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 17, 2010, 03:14:05 PM
Thank-you for all the updates, this just stuck with me and made me ill  ::MonkeyNoNo::   
McGonigle fought to talk with Gardner last week. She confronted Gardner's mother outside the jailhouse and begged her unsuccessfully to give up her visitation so she could quiz him. It's not clear how McGonigle finally secured her visit.  ::MonkeyShocked::  His mother is nothing but an ugly witch and nasty to deprive the mother, that her monster son killed, a visit to speak to him.


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Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2010, 03:19:16 PM
Thank-you for all the updates, this just stuck with me and made me ill  ::MonkeyNoNo::   
McGonigle fought to talk with Gardner last week. She confronted Gardner's mother outside the jailhouse and begged her unsuccessfully to give up her visitation so she could quiz him. It's not clear how McGonigle finally secured her visit.  ::MonkeyShocked::  His mother is nothing but an ugly witch and nasty to deprive the mother, that her monster son killed, a visit to speak to him.

I believe the visit was finally arranged by Gardner and his attorney. 


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 17, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
Gardner told her that he was driving on a main Escondido road that morning when he saw Amber walking on a side street. “She turned down a street one block over, and the street had nowhere for her to go. Both sides had fencing, one side to the back of a school and the other to a riverbed,” McGonigle said. “She had nowhere to run. She was stuck.”


Ok so I am trying to figure this out. So he saw her walking down Vista then she took Broadway and off broadway she took a side street? There are no side streets off broadway, there are the parking lots to the apartments and then the bus yard Did she go through the bus depot? I cannot figure out what street has a riverbed and the back of the school except for the apartment parking lots and then the bus lot.   


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 17, 2010, 04:17:55 PM
Thank-you for all the updates, this just stuck with me and made me ill  ::MonkeyNoNo::   
McGonigle fought to talk with Gardner last week. She confronted Gardner's mother outside the jailhouse and begged her unsuccessfully to give up her visitation so she could quiz him. It's not clear how McGonigle finally secured her visit.  ::MonkeyShocked::  His mother is nothing but an ugly witch and nasty to deprive the mother, that her monster son killed, a visit to speak to him.

I believe the visit was finally arranged by Gardner and his attorney. 
I am glad, but a decent human being would have allowed Carrie to go that day she confronted Garner's mother, I guess I'm expecting too much from people.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on May 17, 2010, 04:42:55 PM
John Gardner May Be Linked to Other Crimes, Police Say

Confessed Murderer Spoke About Other Cases in Post-Sentencing Interview With Police
5.17.10
In the hours after he was sentenced to life in prison for the rapes and murders of two southern California teenagers, John Gardner told authorities there are other crimes he may have been involved with.
At a news conference today, officials from several police agencies and the district attorney's office released previously withheld information about the Gardner cases, including the DNA evidence that initially led police to arrest the 31-year-old convicted sex offender in the February murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King.

The investigation into any other crimes Gardner may have committed is ongoing. Officials declined to elaborate on what specific criminal activity he may have been involved with beyond the possibility of other assaults.

Gardner didn't implicate himself in any other murders, police said, but investigators are taking a closer look at every missing persons case in the area involving women in their teens and 20s.

A task force comprised of members of nine agencies, including the FBI, was set up after King's murder to investigate any other crimes that could be tied to Gardner. It is still active even with Gardner behind bars for life.

Police declined to reveal exactly how Gardner was able to overtake King, who was last seen jogging in a park near her home. The DNA evidence that initially linked Gardner to her murder, they said, was "body fluid" on her clothes that would normally be found during the course of a sexual assault.

King's DNA was also on the clothing, they said.

Gardner was sentenced Friday to three consecutive life sentences without parole for the rape and murders of King and 14-year-old Amber DuBois, and the attempted rape of another woman.

2 more pages at link

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/killer-john-gardner-lured-amber-dubois-threat-knife/story?id=10664589


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 17, 2010, 04:52:10 PM
John Gardner May Be Linked to Other Crimes, Police Say

Confessed Murderer Spoke About Other Cases in Post-Sentencing Interview With Police
5.17.10
In the hours after he was sentenced to life in prison for the rapes and murders of two southern California teenagers, John Gardner told authorities there are other crimes he may have been involved with.
At a news conference today, officials from several police agencies and the district attorney's office released previously withheld information about the Gardner cases, including the DNA evidence that initially led police to arrest the 31-year-old convicted sex offender in the February murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King.

The investigation into any other crimes Gardner may have committed is ongoing. Officials declined to elaborate on what specific criminal activity he may have been involved with beyond the possibility of other assaults.

Gardner didn't implicate himself in any other murders, police said, but investigators are taking a closer look at every missing persons case in the area involving women in their teens and 20s.

A task force comprised of members of nine agencies, including the FBI, was set up after King's murder to investigate any other crimes that could be tied to Gardner. It is still active even with Gardner behind bars for life.

Police declined to reveal exactly how Gardner was able to overtake King, who was last seen jogging in a park near her home. The DNA evidence that initially linked Gardner to her murder, they said, was "body fluid" on her clothes that would normally be found during the course of a sexual assault.

King's DNA was also on the clothing, they said.

Gardner was sentenced Friday to three consecutive life sentences without parole for the rape and murders of King and 14-year-old Amber DuBois, and the attempted rape of another woman.

2 more pages at link

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/killer-john-gardner-lured-amber-dubois-threat-knife/story?id=10664589


I am not surprised he may be linked to other assaults. 


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 17, 2010, 04:54:18 PM
Thanks, I sure hope whatever other crimes Gardner is involved in, the police get all the evidence they need  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Nut44x4 on May 17, 2010, 05:00:11 PM
Indeed....no surprise. IMO there are more bodies out there.  ::rhino::


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 17, 2010, 05:03:32 PM
Thanks, I sure hope whatever other crimes Gardner is involved in, the police get all the evidence they need  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think I am just worried there are other bodies buried somewhere. Amber couldn't have been the first death and then Chelsea the 2nd. The thought of another innocent girl thrown in some make shift grave turns my stomach.

I think there are more bodies too Nutt. His reaction to the question was very telling. 


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Post by: Edward on May 17, 2010, 05:14:28 PM
I am just happy that Carrie gave us the 411..



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Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2010, 05:17:25 PM
Video with some information that was released in the PC today:

http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4792189&flvUri=&partnerclipid=


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 17, 2010, 05:30:45 PM
I am not sure what difference it makes except the real truth should be told but considering it is coming from him, what do we really expect. This is my opinion from looking at that area around the school and her path that morning, witness accounts and the fact she was late.  I don't think he just so happened upon Amber and I don't think she just happened to turn down a street to where ever when she was already running late. I think he was following her and she was trying to get away from him. He shifted some of the blame onto her by saying she didn't walk the same path that morning, she turned down some street, (yea she was running from you Gardner!). This made her more vulnerable and by saying this and it took some of the responsibility off of him and put it on her. It is sort of like the bussing. 

I am glad Carrie got the chance to speak to him and she is further in her grieving processes, but for what it's worth, I don't believe him. Sorry Carrie, I hope that doesn't upset you, I hope he told you the truth but I really don't think he did or he told you his version of the truth.


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 17, 2010, 10:22:32 PM
Grandmom was on JVM tonight.  She is one strong lady.   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: piwannaberookie on May 18, 2010, 12:15:31 AM
I hope that the police in san diego are doing extra patrols around school areas and neighborhoods where children are walking.Eeveryone in here has been saying to put surveillance cameras at every street corner or how about where a person can get cornered easily.

It is sickening to read that Gardner cornered Amber and that she had no way to escape, I wish this wasn't true. This question is probably old, but did Gardner ever say what car he used to abduct Amber? I have to go to Vista, ca with someone who has to see a psychiatrist about a mental health issue all because she said she was tired and wanted to kill herself b/c her boss at work was harrassing her. Apparently this psychiatrist/psychologist in Vista specializes in various fields ranging from sexual crimes to clinical and forensic psychology.

I am still wondering if what Gardner did to Amber was premeditated, random, spontaneous, or impulsive? How many s.o.'s out there are prone to act on impulse?? Was Gardner enrolled in an employee assistance program (EAP)? Was he enrolled in one during the time of Amber's disappearance. I know there is an EAP in San diego b/c the person I know has to go to one tomorrow. There are lot of things that EAP does such as helping people with substance abuse and alcohol problems to name one thing (addictions). If anyone wants to know about EAP here's a helpful website http://www.acieap.com/aci-services.php (http://www.acieap.com/aci-services.php)

Sorry about all the questions but I wonder how many Sex offenders are in a employee assistance program. It is probabaly irrelevant, but bbecause they offer life management programs aka AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) programs and substance abuse programs why wouldn't Gardner go to it and this is not my idea. A lot of monkeys in here said that Gardner is an alcoholic and probably went to an AA somehwere in Vista/San Diego.  There are lots of clinical and forensic psychologist that specialize in sex crimes who treat clients with sexual problems or are sex offenders. I would think Cathy Osborn would have referred Gardner to an Employee Assistance Program for his many addictions, jmho.


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Post by: Shell on May 18, 2010, 03:27:16 AM
I am not sure what difference it makes except the real truth should be told but considering it is coming from him, what do we really expect. This is my opinion from looking at that area around the school and her path that morning, witness accounts and the fact she was late.  I don't think he just so happened upon Amber and I don't think she just happened to turn down a street to where ever when she was already running late. I think he was following her and she was trying to get away from him. He shifted some of the blame onto her by saying she didn't walk the same path that morning, she turned down some street, (yea she was running from you Gardner!). This made her more vulnerable and by saying this and it took some of the responsibility off of him and put it on her. It is sort of like the bussing. 

I am glad Carrie got the chance to speak to him and she is further in her grieving processes, but for what it's worth, I don't believe him. Sorry Carrie, I hope that doesn't upset you, I hope he told you the truth but I really don't think he did or he told you his version of the truth.

He said she didn't walk the same path that morning...how would he know that had he not followed her before?


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 18, 2010, 09:44:09 AM
I am not sure what difference it makes except the real truth should be told but considering it is coming from him, what do we really expect. This is my opinion from looking at that area around the school and her path that morning, witness accounts and the fact she was late.  I don't think he just so happened upon Amber and I don't think she just happened to turn down a street to where ever when she was already running late. I think he was following her and she was trying to get away from him. He shifted some of the blame onto her by saying she didn't walk the same path that morning, she turned down some street, (yea she was running from you Gardner!). This made her more vulnerable and by saying this and it took some of the responsibility off of him and put it on her. It is sort of like the bussing. 

I am glad Carrie got the chance to speak to him and she is further in her grieving processes, but for what it's worth, I don't believe him. Sorry Carrie, I hope that doesn't upset you, I hope he told you the truth but I really don't think he did or he told you his version of the truth.

He said she didn't walk the same path that morning...how would he know that had he not followed her before?
That is exactly what I'm saying to myself  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 18, 2010, 12:41:10 PM
I also believe that Gardner must have been following her that morning and Amber must have seen him. Hence the different route to school. She just took the wrong street.

What does puzzle me is the two eye witnesses that say they saw her that morning on Broadway. It makes me wonder how badly they hindered the case. Would we have found any clues had we searched that vacant street? Could she have dropped her cell phone there leaving a clue and Gardner went back the next day and picked it up? We know he returns to the scene of the crime.



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Post by: Tracygirl on May 18, 2010, 12:52:55 PM
I read that about the side street and my head almost came off. Carrie was very strong in believing she would never do that, she was told to stay on the same route and she trusted Amber obeyed her. How many times did Carrie insist she would not have cut through the parking lot or go to a friends home, she always stayed on the same route. Here comes along Gardner and he tells Carrie he sees her walking down a side street, she turns onto the main street and then turns down another side street. This in itself tells me he had to have been following her or how would he be seeing all of this? Was he in a parking lot? Well according to him he was driving down a main street and saw Amber, not parked. So he lied about something.

Why would Amber do this? Why would amber just start walking to an area that had no way to the school and to the little lamb she was trying to get to that morning? Was she just going to jump the fence and cross the water? She obviously wouldn't go visiting anyone, she was late and needed to turn in the money for her lamb. Amber didn't just turn down some side street imo, she was forced to because Gardner was following her and she was afraid. She may have turned down a street and then came back out believing the coast was clear.  Perhaps Gardner pulled forward and parked and waited. Didn't one of the witnesses say she was walking fast? It fits. It also fits that Gardner parked his car and waited for Amber to pass by, and then threatened her and he was the doughy man seen walking with her that morning. He doesn't want to say all of that to the mother, it would make him sound even worse. He had to make it sound as though it was Ambers doing, that  she was caught by him because she went somewhere that had no exit, had she not done that then no way would he have gotten to her. He also must have been reading about the theories online and following the news about Amber. He told a story that was different from what people were saying about the "doughy" boy she was seen walking with. He took her off Broadway all together with his version of the truth. I think he wanted to have control with the story, it is all about control.

Dirty SOB, I hope he rots. None of this was Ambers fault. Amber did nothing wrong that day, nothing. All she was trying to do was walk to school to pay for a lamb she so wanted. He stalked her, threatened her and took her. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: labubske on May 18, 2010, 02:29:25 PM
I read that about the side street and my head almost came off. Carrie was very strong in believing she would never do that, she was told to stay on the same route and she trusted Amber obeyed her. How many times did Carrie insist she would not have cut through the parking lot or go to a friends home, she always stayed on the same route. Here comes along Gardner and he tells Carrie he sees her walking down a side street, she turns onto the main street and then turns down another side street. This in itself tells me he had to have been following her or how would he be seeing all of this? Was he in a parking lot? Well according to him he was driving down a main street and saw Amber, not parked. So he lied about something.

Why would Amber do this? Why would amber just start walking to an area that had no way to the school and to the little lamb she was trying to get to that morning? Was she just going to jump the fence and cross the water? She obviously wouldn't go visiting anyone, she was late and needed to turn in the money for her lamb. Amber didn't just turn down some side street imo, she was forced to because Gardner was following her and she was afraid. She may have turned down a street and then came back out believing the coast was clear.  Perhaps Gardner pulled forward and parked and waited. Didn't one of the witnesses say she was walking fast? It fits. It also fits that Gardner parked his car and waited for Amber to pass by, and then threatened her and he was the doughy man seen walking with her that morning. He doesn't want to say all of that to the mother, it would make him sound even worse. He had to make it sound as though it was Ambers doing, that  she was caught by him because she went somewhere that had no exit, had she not done that then no way would he have gotten to her. He also must have been reading about the theories online and following the news about Amber. He told a story that was different from what people were saying about the "doughy" boy she was seen walking with. He took her off Broadway all together with his version of the truth. I think he wanted to have control with the story, it is all about control.

Dirty SOB, I hope he rots. None of this was Ambers fault. Amber did nothing wrong that day, nothing. All she was trying to do was walk to school to pay for a lamb she so wanted. He stalked her, threatened her and took her. 

This makes so much sense...would explain her walking fast, as you stated.  He wants control...he is sick...and his family is too...the ones that enabled him.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 18, 2010, 03:03:51 PM
Thanks, I sure hope whatever other crimes Gardner is involved in, the police get all the evidence they need  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think I'll start a thread in Unsolved Crimes RE: Possible John Gardner Victims...that way we won't clog Chelsea's and Amber's thread with 'possible crimes'...I'll be back to post the link.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on May 18, 2010, 03:09:45 PM
Topic: John Albert Gardner III ... More Victims??? 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7869.new#new


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on May 18, 2010, 03:27:10 PM
They need to keep the camera on the video, no one cares about Gardner

Don't know if this link has already been posted here - this is the video played at the sentencing - everyone involved did an amazing job... ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28ncEmF_ht8


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sebastian on May 18, 2010, 05:32:29 PM
I read that about the side street and my head almost came off. Carrie was very strong in believing she would never do that, she was told to stay on the same route and she trusted Amber obeyed her. How many times did Carrie insist she would not have cut through the parking lot or go to a friends home, she always stayed on the same route. Here comes along Gardner and he tells Carrie he sees her walking down a side street, she turns onto the main street and then turns down another side street. This in itself tells me he had to have been following her or how would he be seeing all of this? Was he in a parking lot? Well according to him he was driving down a main street and saw Amber, not parked. So he lied about something.

Why would Amber do this? Why would amber just start walking to an area that had no way to the school and to the little lamb she was trying to get to that morning? Was she just going to jump the fence and cross the water? She obviously wouldn't go visiting anyone, she was late and needed to turn in the money for her lamb. Amber didn't just turn down some side street imo, she was forced to because Gardner was following her and she was afraid. She may have turned down a street and then came back out believing the coast was clear.  Perhaps Gardner pulled forward and parked and waited. Didn't one of the witnesses say she was walking fast? It fits. It also fits that Gardner parked his car and waited for Amber to pass by, and then threatened her and he was the doughy man seen walking with her that morning. He doesn't want to say all of that to the mother, it would make him sound even worse. He had to make it sound as though it was Ambers doing, that  she was caught by him because she went somewhere that had no exit, had she not done that then no way would he have gotten to her. He also must have been reading about the theories online and following the news about Amber. He told a story that was different from what people were saying about the "doughy" boy she was seen walking with. He took her off Broadway all together with his version of the truth. I think he wanted to have control with the story, it is all about control.

Dirty SOB, I hope he rots. None of this was Ambers fault. Amber did nothing wrong that day, nothing. All she was trying to do was walk to school to pay for a lamb she so wanted. He stalked her, threatened her and took her. 

I totally agree Tracy! He was unemployed at the time wasn't he? Why would he be out and about so early? He was caught with pot at least twice and an open container at least twice. I wonder if he attended those AA meetings at the church? Maybe the courts forced him to. He was on his way and saw Amber and then started following her and cornered her? He is such a *&^%$%! I loved what Dave Cave said in the sentencing. "John tried to go after a woman once and she whopped his asz so then he went back after little girls"!


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Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2010, 06:34:49 PM
They need to keep the camera on the video, no one cares about Gardner

Don't know if this link has already been posted here - this is the video played at the sentencing - everyone involved did an amazing job... ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28ncEmF_ht8

Beautiful!  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: klaasend on May 19, 2010, 01:34:03 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12504492

Mother visits spot where Gardner grabbed Amber
Posted: May 18, 2010 6:03 PM PDT Updated: May 18, 2010 6:13 PM PDT


ESCONDIDO, Calif. (CBS 8) - The mother of Amber Dubois visited the very spot where convicted sex offender John Gardner abducted the Escondido teen Tuesday.

Carrie McGonigle talked to reporters about the day John Gardner abducted her daughter while she was walking to school.

Marcella Lee has more on what McGonigle had to say, in this video story.

Video:

http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4796910&flvUri=&partnerclipid=


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 19, 2010, 12:55:59 PM
Notorious Killer at South Valley Prison

A sex offender who gained national attention for killing two teenage girls in the San Diego area is now locked up in the South Valley.

John Gardner III was transferred Tuesday from San Diego County jail to North Kern State Prison in Delano.

Gardner was sentenced last week to two consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole for murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

He got a third life term with a 25-year minimum for the attempted rape of a jogger who escaped.

The 31-year-old man reached a plea deal last month that spared him the death penalty.

Gardner's crimes have sparked a far-reaching review of how California deals with sex predators.


Chelsea's parents are leading a campaign for "Chelsea's Law" to allow life sentences for some convicted child molesters and lifetime GPS monitoring of others.

http://www.kmjnow.com/pages/landing_news?Notorious-Killer-at-South-Valley-Prison=1&blockID=237604&feedID=806


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 19, 2010, 12:57:39 PM
Infamous Murderer Begins Life Sentence

SAN DIEGO - The man who admitted raping and murdering North County teenagers Amber Dubois and Chelsea King began serving his lifelong prison term Tuesday.

John Albert Gardner III, 31, was transferred Tuesday morning from county jail in San Diego to North Kern State Prison in Delano, leaving about 2 a.m. and arriving shortly before 6 a.m., said Terry Thornton of the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

At the penitentiary about 180 miles north of Los Angeles, he will undergo a 45-day "reception center" evaluation to determine which of the state's 33 prisons is best suited to permanently house him, according to Thornton. Among other factors, the review will take into account Gardner's psychological makeup, physical health and education status.

MORE....

http://www.corrections.com/news/article/24573-infamous-murderer-begins-life-sentence


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Post by: sweetie_pi on May 19, 2010, 12:59:01 PM
Indeed....no surprise. IMO there are more bodies out there.  ::rhino::

I find disturbing that there has been absoultely NO MENTION that this slime masquerading as human DNA lived next door to a pedo, two doors down from another one, and in very close quarters 9 others.

These days these slime network in a way not possible even10 years ago. Who do you think they send their sick pedo porn to. DO you think these others were not also casing Amber's school district, shared strategies, sightings? I do.

Just a thought, since YES there are others, his single reply and his body language when he told media "Nice try" when asked, gave him away better than a poly - what if there are others, and he also knows of others perped by his pedo network.

You're all smart enough to figure out where that goes. Like I said, I wouldn't believe a word he said, like his "tears", all fake. I just don't know about the various signature MO's. There's a LOT more to know here, and a LOT more about OTHER PEDOS he hung out with. Like his mother, his mother is as sick as he is, and I am sure knows about his "friends" and what they did since he was a kid. Remember his rape history as a teen?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 19, 2010, 01:00:15 PM
REGION: Amber's mother says Gardner's look of rage coerced teen into car  (with video)

John Albert Gardner III used a look of rage to coerce Amber Dubois into his car on a lonely street ---- even though she was just 30 feet from busy North Broadway.

On Tuesday, Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle shared the story of her daughter's abduction; she stood just yards from the spot where Gardner told her he snatched Amber at about 6:45 a.m. Feb. 13, 2009.

McGonigle's news conference came the same day state prison officials shipped Gardner, 31, to North Kern State Prison, about 40 miles north of Bakersfield, to start serving consecutive life sentences for the rape and murder of Amber, 14, and of Chelsea King, 17.

McGonigle said she learned the details of her daughter's final 90 minutes when she met with Gardner last week at a downtown San Diego jail.

"He said she knew from the look in his eyes that he was serious ---- and she got in the car," McGonigle said.

She said her daughter probably saw the same look of rage that flashed across Gardner's face at his sentencing hearing last week, when he was taunted in court by a woman who escaped his attempt to rape her.

"We saw how quickly he turns into that rage," McGonigle said. "And I am sure that's the look that Amber saw in him."

The mother of the slain teen said Gardner told her he was driving north on Broadway when he spotted Amber walking alone down Stanley Avenue then "turned and stopped and threatened her."

She said Gardner told Amber he had a gun and a knife, and ordered her into his car.

The teenager was essentially trapped. Behind her was a long stretch of isolated road, rimmed on both sides by chain link fences. And the hulking Gardner was between Amber and busy North Broadway, 30 feet away.

"If you look at the street we are on, you see there was no escape," McGonigle said. "She was really stuck."

Gardner told McGonigle that once he had Amber in the car, he headed east on Stanley, turned right on Ash Street, then left on Valley Parkway, which he followed up to Pala ---- the site where he raped, stabbed and buried the teenager.

Amber had taken a different route to school that day, one that put her a block farther north from the school than anyone originally thought. McGonigle said she believes her daughter veered from her normal path to walk to school with friends.

She said she believes Gardner's story, because he had a pattern of attacking young girls who were by themselves.

Gardner pleaded guilty last month to the rape and murder of Amber shortly after he abducted her, and to the rape and murder of Chelsea, who he grabbed from a Lake Hodges-area running trail on Feb. 25.

He also admitted trying to rape jogger Candice Moncayo, a college student who on Dec. 27 fought off Gardner in the same area from which Chelsea was snatched.

Gardner agreed to a plea deal that spared him the death penalty. He received three consecutive life sentences.

McGonigle has kept private most of the details of her conversation with Gardner, and has publicly revealed what she learned about how Gardner forced Amber into his car to warn other parents to keep their kids vigilant.

"Gardner is only one out of hundreds, thousands of sex offenders out there capable of doing what happened to Amber and Chelsea," she said. "Parents need to not be relaxed now that one is behind bars."

Gardner's time behind prison bars started when he arrived just before 6 a.m. Tuesday at North Kern State Prison, said Terry Thornton, spokeswoman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Gardner is housed in a single-man cell, and will likely remain there for the next 45 days or so while officials evaluate him for placement in another prison, Thornton said.

Officials shipped him directly to the Central Valley prison and the single-man cell for safety reasons, she said, because Gardner's case drew so much local and national publicity.

Also Tuesday, Chelsea's parents appeared on the Today show, giving their first interview since confronting Gardner at his sentencing hearing in a downtown San Diego courtroom on Friday.

"The minute he walked into that courtroom there was a complete and total wave of disgust," Kelly King told host Matt Lauer. "There's an element of shock to be that close to someone who has done what he's done to our daughter and our family."

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_da8a2518-818e-56ed-b77f-7b0456af5aed.html


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 19, 2010, 01:02:32 PM
If Gardner went up Stanley (after he abducted Amber) and turned right on Ash St. and right again on Valley Parkway, he had a boat load of stop sign and street lights he had to stop at. Going up Stanley and Down most of Ash is is gated communities and horse corals, but you hit a lot of residential neighborhoods when you get closer to Valley Parkway. He would have had to threaten Amber at every stop light to keep her from jumping out of the car. Valley Parkway is a street full of businesses from Ash to Bear Valley Parkway. At 7:00 it would have been void of people. However there should have been a boat load of cars going both directions to get to the freeways. Not sure about the cameras.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 19, 2010, 01:03:08 PM
Amber's mom says she's proud of daughter

Carrie McGonigle won’t go into detail about the last 90 minutes of her daughter’s life, but from what convicted murderer and rapist John Albert Gardner told her last week, she’s proud of Amber.

“I’m proud of the way she handled herself,” she said. “She definitely was my daughter. I can say that much.”


MORE...

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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/18/ambers-mom-visit-site-abduction/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2010, 01:08:31 PM
That must be difficult for Carrie to visit the spot where Gardner claims he took Amber. I would imagine though it brings her farther along in her grief process. I think the lack of answers must have been so difficult for her. I know I would want to know, just as Carrie did. If Carrie wants to take his story as truth and tell the story then that is her decision and I will respect that, regardless if I believe Gardners version of the story. She is Ambers mom, this is her life, not mine.

God Bless you Carrie. God Bless Amber in heaven above.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 19, 2010, 01:09:11 PM
Gardner sent to prison near Bakersfield

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Prison officials have transferred John Albert Gardner III to a prison north of Bakersfield rather than send him to Donovan State Prison in Otay Mesa for his initial assessment.

 Gardner, 31, left his downtown San Diego jail cell at 2 a.m. Tuesday for North Kern State Prison, a medium-security facility in Delano that is one of 11 reception centers in the state prison system.

 He arrived about 6 a.m. and moved into a single-person cell in an administrative segregation unit, said Terry Thornton, a spokeswoman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Automated information released by the jail initially reported that Gardner was transferred to Donovan, but that plan changed.

Donovan staffers came to get Gardner this morning, but the decision to send him north rather than keep him in San Diego was likely based on security reasons due to the notoriety of the case, a Donovan prison official said.

Once he settles in, he will undergo a review that usually lasts 45 days that will help determine which prison he should be placed in permanently based on his needs.

His criminal history, medical, mental-health and security needs will all be considered.

Prison officials say the publicity surrounding the case and the nature of Gardner’s crimes could place him in a “sensitive needs” yard, a form of protective custody.

 Gardner was sentenced Friday to life in prison with no chance of parole in the rapes and murders of Amber Dubois, 14, of Escondido and Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. He will also serve a third life sentence for assault with intent to rape in an attack on a jogger, Candice Moncayo, 22


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/18/john-gardner-went-prison-today/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 19, 2010, 01:10:23 PM
That must be difficult for Carrie to visit the spot where Gardner claims he took Amber. I would imagine though it brings her farther along in her grief process. I think the lack of answers must have been so difficult for her. I know I would want to know, just as Carrie did. If Carrie wants to take his story as truth and tell the story then that is her decision and I will respect that, regardless if I believe Gardners version of the story. She is Ambers mom, this is her life, not mine.

God Bless you Carrie. God Bless Amber in heaven above.  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: sweetie_pi on May 19, 2010, 01:21:52 PM
Notorious Killer at South Valley Prison

Chelsea's parents are leading a campaign for "Chelsea's Law" to allow life sentences for some convicted child molesters and lifetime GPS monitoring of others.

http://www.kmjnow.com/pages/landing_news?Notorious-Killer-at-South-Valley-Prison=1&blockID=237604&feedID=806


Quite frankly, this perp was involved (allegedly, well I don't believe that but I have to say it) with a coordinate rape situation as a teen, and the rapists covered for each other. I do not believe for one minute this uber-MO of his changed one bit. I would  hope that it includes that anyone covering for a pedo gets the same sentence. Like his monster-mother, Nurse Rachett.

I hoped the King family would do something, and I hoped it would call for a permanent RSO task force, in Calfironia, that had funding also to monitor the PAROLE OFFICERS, paid to watch these pedos.

I hope they also add to that bill that for every single pedo caught and convicted - part of the sentencing hinges on their revelation of others in their pedo network. These monsters never work alone, and at the very least share info. Come on, Gardner's MO was set in his early teens, and his mother covered for him.  She shold be in an orange jumpsuit too, and that talking head who said she held no blame should be on someone's watch list as covering up pedo crimes. No slack, not from me.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Shell on May 19, 2010, 10:38:25 PM


A few observations of mine.
In Escondido, in the middle of the day, there is not a lot of traffic. The times to avoid are in the morning when all the kids are being dropped off at school and people are headed for work, and in the afternoon when schools let out and the time when people are returning from work. Escondido was a farming community and has a lot of roads which are deserted for the most part, even at the peak hours of traffic, depending on if there is a school nearby. I got lost the other day and it was 10 minutes before I got to an area inhabited enough to stop and ask for directions. I think it is such a shame Amber ended up on a deserted stretch of road but like Traceygirl, I think there was a reason she was on a different route and that reason was Gardner.
I also know that fear can freeze a person. Frozen in terror/fear is a term coined for a reason.

I also observed that in the late evenings/wee hours of the morning when I logged on here (this thread), there was always 1 guest. At times I had the uncomfortable feeling that the guest was someone who knew something about the crime, or who committed the crime and was lurking to see what was being said. I have also noticed that when I log on during those late hours...that guest is no longer showing. I wonder how many times that guest was actually John Garner.

Amber's family, this case has touched my heart deeply and I have total respect and admiration for the strength of character you all have all shown. I will never forget your beautiful daughter and my prayers continue for your family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on May 19, 2010, 11:33:26 PM


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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2010, 11:45:54 PM
I have voted for and even supported another board while we worked on Natalee Holloway because of the infiltrating enemy seeking information. I know for a fact Joran, Deepak and Josey Mansur read our research.. I also know Paulus was reading along with his wife Anita.

Today and in all the cases we work on. Scared Monkeys also needs a private area that only certified members and LE have access to for the very reasons you suggest.
Many people have been doing researsch for years now and have become quite good at it like Blink and Northern Rose, DoubleDecker and many others. The research is amazing and valueable BUT in the hands of those we seek to investigate is actually counter productive to what end result we desire.
Some of the guests you see are actually US  ::MonkeyCool:: and just not signed in at the time.. Some of them are Media people seeking info and I know we have also had LE looking as well as private investigators..
In the case of KAT .. I also know R.S. has been here looking at what we write..
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on May 20, 2010, 01:06:06 AM
Edward - there are more reasons NOT to have a private area than there is TO have one.  Private areas in a forum end up causing problems.  Too many problems and a forum gets shut down.  Then you have nothing. 

Many of us will hold back of certain information we have found until after it has been sent to LE.  I think that's the best we can do here at SM.  Red is pretty adamant about NOT having any private areas here.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 20, 2010, 01:30:41 AM
I will say that I do find it odd the story he gave was exactly opposite of what has been discussed in the forums as well as the news reports. His story places her completely away from the high school, near a different school all together and the time he claimed was 25 min earlier then what was reported. Didn't her grandmother get a text from her at 7:10 that morning? Anyway, I too wonder if he read what the theories were and said something different for control of the story. But as I said earlier, it is Carries decision and right to believe the story he told her.

I think closed boards hurt feelings and can make a member who is not granted access feel as though they are not valuable. Of course given my consistant out spokeness, I fear you all would lock me out faster then I can type it, lol.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2010, 02:30:29 AM
Edward - there are more reasons NOT to have a private area than there is TO have one.  Private areas in a forum end up causing problems.  Too many problems and a forum gets shut down.  Then you have nothing. 

Many of us will hold back of certain information we have found until after it has been sent to LE.  I think that's the best we can do here at SM.  Red is pretty adamant about NOT having any private areas here.

Red understands more then I do on forums and people with all kinds of personalities and how they get along best..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on May 20, 2010, 04:09:59 PM
I will say that I do find it odd the story he gave was exactly opposite of what has been discussed in the forums as well as the news reports. His story places her completely away from the high school, near a different school all together and the time he claimed was 25 min earlier then what was reported. Didn't her grandmother get a text from her at 7:10 that morning? Anyway, I too wonder if he read what the theories were and said something different for control of the story. But as I said earlier, it is Carries decision and right to believe the story he told her.

I think closed boards hurt feelings and can make a member who is not granted access feel as though they are not valuable. Of course given my consistant out spokeness, I fear you all would lock me out faster then I can type it, lol.

Amber sent my Mom a text response at 6:23am - here's what Mom wrote on a previous thread:

"She went to school TWTh. Thurs night she made a valentine's package for her 5 year old sister because Carrie was bringing the sister up to visit with me from Thurs nite thru Mon night.  Sister was excited with the gifts from Amber. That night I sent Amber a text telling her what a great big sister she was.  Amber replied by text to me Fri morning at 6:23 a.m.  It woke me up.  Now, I wish I had gotten up and called her, but the message didn't seek a reply so I stayed in bed a bit longer until sister woke up."



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on May 20, 2010, 06:08:51 PM
Thank you Ampersand I must be psychic because I was just looking through one of the threads for the time frame. On the FBI poster it is stated she was last seen by the witnesses at about 7:10, so that is where I got my time from.

So this is why this keeps me coming back. I have spoke several times about Denise Huber and that  I saw her with her killer the day after she disappeared. I know it was her because I got a very up close look at her and the man she was with. Supposedly the authorities were told by her killer that he killed her shortly after he kidnapped her, within hours of his taking her she was dead. Of course I knew that was not the truth but the truth according to a man who didn't wish to be viewed as the real monster he was or he was hiding something that happened that day such as someone that he shared Denise with, ie his brother.   I have always felt he got the last word, he was able to tell a story that was not Denise's story. I had tried to call the DA yet they didn't want to hear my story because it didn't fit with the time line they were using at trial.

I have never reached out to the family, well because I didn't know if after all of that time, they would want to have it all brought up again and have to live through everything again. Yet the person I saw that day, the young woman doing everything she could to get away, even running at one point, fought like hell. I wonder if the family would like to know that.

So there you have it the reason why Tracygirl wont shut up. I think Gardner has rewritten history at the expense of Amber and you all. I also fear he is protecting someone. I just don't believe him, I just don't. I know it is not my place to say that and perhaps in doing so it is making the grief process even more difficult. If so, I am so sorry, I really am. I think it just bothers me he has told a story that is the opposite of everything everyone was saying including Carrie, such as the change in route, the witness sightings, the time...

Ok, hopefully this time I will just shut up and drop it. Sorry....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2010, 11:00:05 PM
I have no further comments.. Except to say this..


I have been communicating with Carrie for some time now.. We have laughed and cried. I have grown to have so much respect for her. She is the mom of the year in my opinion. She has been knocked down and got back up time and time again searching for Amber from every possible direction and followed every possible lead. Each time she comes back fighting for justice for her beautiful daughter Amber. Carrie has a Champion personality.
Carrie is a HERO and a champion in the battle for truth and justice for her daughter Amber Leeanne Dubois..  I will never forget Carrie.. She is equal Champion To Beth Twitty, mother to Natalee Ann Holloway and an inspiration to everyone who has a missing person to keep fighting and to never give up and to face Evil head on and full force.
I hope she writes a book and I will purchase it read it and keep it forever.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2010, 11:35:44 AM
Thank you Ampersand I must be psychic because I was just looking through one of the threads for the time frame. On the FBI poster it is stated she was last seen by the witnesses at about 7:10, so that is where I got my time from.

So this is why this keeps me coming back. I have spoke several times about Denise Huber and that  I saw her with her killer the day after she disappeared. I know it was her because I got a very up close look at her and the man she was with. Supposedly the authorities were told by her killer that he killed her shortly after he kidnapped her, within hours of his taking her she was dead. Of course I knew that was not the truth but the truth according to a man who didn't wish to be viewed as the real monster he was or he was hiding something that happened that day such as someone that he shared Denise with, ie his brother.   I have always felt he got the last word, he was able to tell a story that was not Denise's story. I had tried to call the DA yet they didn't want to hear my story because it didn't fit with the time line they were using at trial.

I have never reached out to the family, well because I didn't know if after all of that time, they would want to have it all brought up again and have to live through everything again. Yet the person I saw that day, the young woman doing everything she could to get away, even running at one point, fought like hell. I wonder if the family would like to know that.

So there you have it the reason why Tracygirl wont shut up. I think Gardner has rewritten history at the expense of Amber and you all. I also fear he is protecting someone. I just don't believe him, I just don't. I know it is not my place to say that and perhaps in doing so it is making the grief process even more difficult. If so, I am so sorry, I really am. I think it just bothers me he has told a story that is the opposite of everything everyone was saying including Carrie, such as the change in route, the witness sightings, the time...

Ok, hopefully this time I will just shut up and drop it. Sorry....

There's no need to apologize Tracygirl and it's never wrong to stand up and speak up for what you believe in - thank you.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Sister on May 21, 2010, 01:02:49 PM
I have no further comments.. Except to say this..


I have been communicating with Carrie for some time now.. We have laughed and cried. I have grown to have so much respect for her. She is the mom of the year in my opinion. She has been knocked down and got back up time and time again searching for Amber from every possible direction and followed every possible lead. Each time she comes back fighting for justice for her beautiful daughter Amber. Carrie has a Champion personality.
Carrie is a HERO and a champion in the battle for truth and justice for her daughter Amber Leeanne Dubois..  I will never forget Carrie.. She is equal Champion To Beth Twitty, mother to Natalee Ann Holloway and an inspiration to everyone who has a missing person to keep fighting and to never give up and to face Evil head on and full force.
I hope she writes a book and I will purchase it read it and keep it forever.


Edward, these women and men who stand tall and never give up are an inspiration.  Their tenacity inspires others whose family members are missing, abused, etc.  I too applaud them and pray for them every day.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2010, 02:12:11 PM
REGION: Amber's mother says Gardner's look of rage coerced teen into car
Details of abduction come on same day Gardner shipped to prison

John Albert Gardner III used a look of rage to coerce Amber Dubois into his car on a lonely street ---- even though she was just 30 feet from busy North Broadway.

On Tuesday, Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle shared the story of her daughter's abduction; she stood just yards from the spot where Gardner told her he snatched Amber at about 6:45 a.m. Feb. 13, 2009.

McGonigle's news conference came the same day state prison officials shipped Gardner, 31, to North Kern State Prison, about 40 miles north of Bakersfield, to start serving consecutive life sentences for the rape and murder of Amber, 14, and of Chelsea King, 17.

McGonigle said she learned the details of her daughter's final 90 minutes when she met with Gardner last week at a downtown San Diego jail.

"He said she knew from the look in his eyes that he was serious ---- and she got in the car," McGonigle said.

She said her daughter probably saw the same look of rage that flashed across Gardner's face at his sentencing hearing last week, when he was taunted in court by a woman who escaped his attempt to rape her.

"We saw how quickly he turns into that rage," McGonigle said. "And I am sure that's the look that Amber saw in him."

The mother of the slain teen said Gardner told her he was driving north on Broadway when he spotted Amber walking alone down Stanley Avenue then "turned and stopped and threatened her."

She said Gardner told Amber he had a gun and a knife, and ordered her into his car.

The teenager was essentially trapped. Behind her was a long stretch of isolated road, rimmed on both sides by chain link fences. And the hulking Gardner was between Amber and busy North Broadway, 30 feet away.

"If you look at the street we are on, you see there was no escape," McGonigle said. "She was really stuck."

Gardner told McGonigle that once he had Amber in the car, he headed east on Stanley, turned right on Ash Street, then left on Valley Parkway, which he followed up to Pala ---- the site where he raped, stabbed and buried the teenager.

Amber had taken a different route to school that day, one that put her a block farther north from the school than anyone originally thought. McGonigle said she believes her daughter veered from her normal path to walk to school with friends.

She said she believes Gardner's story, because he had a pattern of attacking young girls who were by themselves.

Gardner pleaded guilty last month to the rape and murder of Amber shortly after he abducted her, and to the rape and murder of Chelsea, who he grabbed from a Lake Hodges-area running trail on Feb. 25.

He also admitted trying to rape jogger Candice Moncayo, a college student who on Dec. 27 fought off Gardner in the same area from which Chelsea was snatched.

Gardner agreed to a plea deal that spared him the death penalty. He received three consecutive life sentences.

McGonigle has kept private most of the details of her conversation with Gardner, and has publicly revealed what she learned about how Gardner forced Amber into his car to warn other parents to keep their kids vigilant.

"Gardner is only one out of hundreds, thousands of sex offenders out there capable of doing what happened to Amber and Chelsea," she said. "Parents need to not be relaxed now that one is behind bars."

Gardner's time behind prison bars started when he arrived just before 6 a.m. Tuesday at North Kern State Prison, said Terry Thornton, spokeswoman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Gardner is housed in a single-man cell, and will likely remain there for the next 45 days or so while officials evaluate him for placement in another prison, Thornton said.

Officials shipped him directly to the Central Valley prison and the single-man cell for safety reasons, she said, because Gardner's case drew so much local and national publicity.

Also Tuesday, Chelsea's parents appeared on the Today show, giving their first interview since confronting Gardner at his sentencing hearing in a downtown San Diego courtroom on Friday.

"The minute he walked into that courtroom there was a complete and total wave of disgust," Kelly King told host Matt Lauer. "There's an element of shock to be that close to someone who has done what he's done to our daughter and our family."

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_da8a2518-818e-56ed-b77f-7b0456af5aed.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2010, 02:14:52 PM
Killer of Amber Dubois, Chelsea King begins lifetime prison stint


The man who admitted raping and murdering North County teenagers Amber Dubois and Chelsea King began serving his lifelong prison term Tuesday.

John Albert Gardner III, 31, was transferred Tuesday morning from county jail in San Diego to North Kern State Prison in Delano, leaving about 2 a.m. and arriving shortly before 6 a.m., said Terry Thornton of the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

At the penitentiary about 180 miles north of Los Angeles, he will undergo a 45-day “reception center” evaluation to determine which of the state’s 33 prisons is best suited to permanently house him, according to Thornton. Among other factors, the review will take into account Gardner’s psychological makeup, physical health and education status.

During the process, Gardner will be confined in a maximum-security cell by himself.

The former Lake Elsinore resident pleaded guilty last month to the sex-assault slayings of 14-year-old Amber on Feb. 13, 2009, and 17-year-old Chelsea on Feb. 25 of this year.

He was sentenced Friday to consecutive life prison terms without the possibility of parole, plus 49 years.


http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-05-19/local-county-news/killer-of-amber-chelsea-begins-lifetime-prison-stint


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2010, 02:17:13 PM
    MoreSecond thoughts, wishes about the double-murder

If only …

The familiar phrase, evoking the melancholy of missed opportunity, will be my last words on a double-murder case that has wrung North Country dry of emotion.

Honestly, there’s nothing left to feel. But there’s still plenty to think about.

In how many ways could tragedy have been diverted by intelligent human, if not divine, intervention?

How many times will fate be second-guessed before this case is consigned to settled history?

Many ways. Many times.

It’s not always perfectly fair to the players, this desire to rewrite history after the fact. But it’s natural.

It’s a means of self-defense against chaos. If lessons aren’t drawn, we’re assuming terror is random and inevitable.

Before moving on, we must ask ourselves what should have been in an ideal world, which this one most assuredly was not.

 What follows are the ways both or one of the girls — Amber Dubois and Chelsea King — might have survived if the world had taken a turn for the better.

 
• If only the science — or is it really a subjective art? — of predicting the potential danger of sexual predators were more exact, more definitive, John Albert Gardner III, identified by at least one psychologist as an unreformable monster, would be rotting in a prison cell and Amber would be looking forward to summer and the Del Mar Fair.

• If only Amber had stayed close to classmates as she walked to her nearby high school. Instead, as her mother learned from a jailhouse talk with Gardner, Amber took a circuitous route that left her alone and vulnerable, prey to a large, threatening man who forced her into his car.

• If only Amber’s mom had been successfully contacted within minutes of Amber not showing up at school and an “Amber Alert” had gone out within an hour. Maybe the SDG&E workers in Pala who may have seen Gardner and Amber would have read or heard the description of the 14-year-old girl — and foiled the murder.

Yes, I know. It’s magical thinking that police would have believed that Amber had been abducted and was not cutting class.

But you wish a mother’s intuition had been called into play. Just this once.

• If only Escondido detectives had not been thrown off in the Amber abduction by false leads involving a “doughy” dark-skinned boy and a red pickup. Both turned out to be awful red herrings.

Doubling down on the boy and the truck, investigators overlooked the registered sex offender living a mile or two away from Amber’s house. Without the false leads, they might have imposed a dragnet that would have turned up Gardner. Who knows what evidence might have been found in the sex offender’s car? Maybe he gets scared — and confesses.

 • If only the San Diego Police Department had not assumed, months after Amber had disappeared, that a female jogger was mugged in December without the more serious intent to rape. (You’d think if there’s one person you don’t want to rob, it’s a runner.)

 • If only the woman who hit Gardner in the nose and escaped had not left for Colorado, cutting lines of communication and allowing the terribly mischaracterized crime to drop into the circular file.

• If only Lake Hodges had been blanketed with an accurate artist’s sketch of the attacker, maybe with a bruised nose. With his picture all over the place, Gardner would never have hung out by the lake, playing with a rattlesnake and spooking hikers.

• If only Gardner’s mother, a member of a running club, had seen a poster in the San Dieguito River Park with a sketch of her son’s face. The truth about her twisted child, which she’d undoubtedly repressed through the well-publicized Amber search, might have suddenly dawned on her.

• If only the well-respected psychiatric nurse had then called the authorities, Chelsea King would be wearing around Poway High the sweatshirt of the college she’d elected to attend this fall.

 
  As a final footnote, I like to think of Chelsea attending what was reported to be among her top choices, the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada.

More than 30 years ago, I studied there and taught English lit to smart, earnest freshmen like Chelsea.

Taking time off from her studies, Chelsea would have loved running on fine days along the shore of Spanish Banks or in Stanley Park with snow-capped Whistler Mountain brooding in the distance.

If only.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/20/second-thoughts-wishes-about-the-double-murder/


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2010, 02:20:22 PM
Official: California killer told of other crimes
By ELLIOT SPAGAT - Associated Press Writer SAN DIEGO --
A man who pleaded guilty to raping and murdering two teenage girls admitted involvement in other "assault-type" crimes but did not implicate himself in additional killings, authorities said Monday.

John Albert Gardner III spoke with investigators for more than two hours after he was sentenced Friday to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the attacks on 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois, San Diego County sheriff's Lt. Dennis Brugos said.

"He didn't shed a lot of light, but he did speak about other cases," said Brugos, who declined to elaborate about victims or provide other details.

The remarks came during a news conference involving a number of San Diego County's top law enforcement officials who had repeatedly refused to answer questions about the case since Gardner, 31, was arrested Feb. 28 in suburban Escondido.

Sheriff Bill Gore said the news conference was intended to fill in the blanks, but authorities revealed little new information about the case that sparked widespread calls to change the way California tracks and punishes child sex predators.

Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher did acknowledge a misstep after an officer was flagged down by a woman motorist who reported she was being followed by a man in a nearby Ford Focus.

The officer approached the car and questioned Gardner, who was with his girlfriend's 3-year-old son. However, the officer didn't pursue the stalking report further because the woman left the scene and has never been identified.

Gardner was cited for driving with an open container of alcohol in the April 2009 incident, but the information was not given to detectives investigating the disappearance of Dubois nearly two months earlier while she was walking to school.

"Revisiting this, it certainly would have been better if the officer had made personal contact with the detective," Maher said. "He didn't."

Neighbors had described seeing a red truck near the spot where Dubois vanished. But Maher noted that Gardner was not driving a red truck when he was cited for having the open container.


The officer "did everything he could under the law," Maher said.

Gardner, a registered sex offender in Escondido at the time, didn't become a suspect in the Dubois case until he was arrested nearly a year after her disappearance by police investigating the King abduction.

Days after his arrest, Gardner led authorities to the remains of Dubois in a rugged area north of San Diego.

Also Monday, San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins defended his department's response to a jogger's report that she was tackled by a man in December near the spot where King was attacked two months later.

Some critics have said police should have done more to alert residents about the first attack, which was initially treated as an attempted robbery because the assailant demanded money.

Gardner pleaded guilty to attempting to rape the jogger, who escaped after smashing his nose with her elbow and later spoke at his sentencing hearing.

Collins said police attempted to have the jogger meet with a sketch artist, but there were scheduling conflicts on both sides before she returned to college in Colorado.

Police collected DNA from the woman's elbow that was tested after King disappeared but showed no link to Gardner, police said.

"We didn't have a lot of information on the suspect," Collins said.

King's disappearance unleashed a massive investigation in which the FBI said it searched 363 homes near the park with the consent of residents.

Authorities declined to detail how Gardner abducted King and Dubois.

Carrie McGonigle, the mother of Dubois, appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" and said Gardner told her in a jailhouse interview that he trapped the girl on a fenced street and forced her into his car.

Gardner was previously convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl in 2000.


http://www.lakewyliepilot.com/2010/05/17/728209/officials-in-calif-teen-killings.html


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2010, 02:23:12 PM
Teen's parents seek tougher sex-crime terms

SAN DIEGO | The parents of a murdered teenage girl went to Washington, D.C., this week, along with a California assemblyman, to gain national-level support for an assembly bill designed to toughen sentences for sex offenders.

Brent and Kelly King's daughter, Chelsea, 17, was raped and murdered in a community park in north San Diego in February as she was jogging along a trail. A sex offender who had been released from prison against the advice of an evaluating psychiatrist was sentenced May 14 to two life sentences without parole for the murders of Chelsea and another teen, Amber Dubois, who vanished without a trace in Escondido in February 2009. It's thought she was abducted while walking to school.

"The murders of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois have shaken the collective soul of our community and beyond," said District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis.

John Albert Gardner III initially denied wrongdoing in both crimes, but last month pleaded guilty to both murders and to an attempted rape on another young woman in December. The plea arrangement saved him from the death penalty and spared the teens' families the trauma of lengthy trials with intense media coverage. Ms. Dumanis said prosecutors could not convict Gardner with only his confession and no physical evidence tying him to Amber's death.

"The death penalty is a hollow promise in this state," Ms. Dumanis has repeatedly said.

State Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, San Diego Republican, has introduced "Chelsea's Law" in Sacramento on behalf of the King family. Chelsea's Law would establish the penalty of a life sentence without the possibility of parole for forcible sex crimes against children under age 18 when aggravating circumstances exist.

It also would extend parole for less serious sex crimes, in some cases allowing for lifetime parole and GPS monitoring of the convicted sex offenders. It would further restrict the offendersfrom being in public parks where children congregate.

The law would mandate lifetime parole for less-serious assaults. It has garnered initial bipartisan support and interest from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

At least two Facebook memorial pages have been set up in Chelsea's honor, one under the auspices of the nonprofit Chelsea's Light Foundation, another called One Billion Strong to Remember Chelsea King. One posting at the foundation's page says the group will push for Chelsea's Law equivalent legislation in every state after it passes in California.

Gardner was off parole when Chelsea was murdered. He had been released after serving five years of a six-year prison term for sexually assaulting a 13-year-old neighbor in 2000. On May 14, in addition to the two life terms for the murders, he was sentenced to 25 years in prison for the attempted rape of a college student in December.

Investigators are continuing to search records in San Diego and counties to the north - Riverside and San Bernardino - for any links Gardner may have with other people who have been reported missing.

Amber's skeletal remains were uncovered in March on a rugged hill north of the tiny community of Pala, approximately 30 miles from her school, 13 months after she went missing.

Authorities said Gardner led investigators to Amber's remains after he was taken into custody in Chelsea's murder. Chelsea's body was found a few days earlier in a shallow grave on the shoreline of Lake Hodges.

Divers, helicopters and sniffing dogs took part in the searches for the girls. More than a thousand phone calls from residents, including several psychics, contributed information to law enforcement officers, as San Diegans stayed riveted to news of the cases. Thousands of people attended vigils and memorials for the girls,and at least 6,000 people helped searched for them.

Gardner's sentencing drew a crowd that had to be accommodated in an overflow room to watch the event at the downtown San Diego courthouse. Others stood, in support of Chelsea and Amber, on the steps of the Hall of Justice. Among them were the families of other murdered or raped children, many carrying sunflowers or lilies in memory of the recently slain teens and their loved ones.

State Assembly Bill 1844, informally called "Chelsea's Law," was introduced by Mr. Fletcher shortly after Gardner's arrest. Mr. Fletcher said he and the Kings traveled to Washington to meet with California elected officials, including the state's two senators, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, both Democrats.

"We had a productive day of meetings," Mr. Fletcher said Tuesday.

The bill has the support of a growing number of people who have galvanized into a force, known as Chelsea's Light Foundation, since Chelsea's death.

Amber's father, Maurice Dubois, has been talking to legislators about ways to help authorities respond more quickly when children disappear. He plans to publicly outline a plan May 25, on National Missing Children's Day.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/21/slain-teens-parents-seek-tougher-sex-crime-terms/


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2010, 05:50:46 PM
Thank you Ampersand, that is very gracious of you.

Edward I agree with you, Carrie is a wonderful example of what a parent should do when their child goes missing. She has incredible strength, there is no denying that. She is also a human being. I pray for her everyday.

Northern Rose one of the articles you posted, you bolded a sentance that I found interesting.
Neighbors had described seeing a red truck near the spot where Dubois vanished. But Maher noted that Gardner was not driving a red truck when he was cited for having the open container.
Do we know anything more on this? I had not heard of that before, have you? So a red truck was near the area Gardner says she went missing? I wonder when this truck was hanging around.

I have to say this. I find it sort of mean to try to pin anything on the witnesses even if they are mistakened, which who knows at this point if they are, they did came forward with information they believed they saw. I think this is why people do not want to "get involved". If you are said to be wrong you are accused of stalling the investigation. That is just wrong in my opinion.


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2010, 06:42:11 PM
Thank you Ampersand, that is very gracious of you.

Edward I agree with you, Carrie is a wonderful example of what a parent should do when their child goes missing. She has incredible strength, there is no denying that. She is also a human being. I pray for her everyday.

Northern Rose one of the articles you posted, you bolded a sentance that I found interesting.
Neighbors had described seeing a red truck near the spot where Dubois vanished. But Maher noted that Gardner was not driving a red truck when he was cited for having the open container.
Do we know anything more on this? I had not heard of that before, have you? So a red truck was near the area Gardner says she went missing? I wonder when this truck was hanging around.

I have to say this. I find it sort of mean to try to pin anything on the witnesses even if they are mistakened, which who knows at this point if they are, they did came forward with information they believed they saw. I think this is why people do not want to "get involved". If you are said to be wrong you are accused of stalling the investigation. That is just wrong in my opinion.

I found the sentence about the red truck intersting for a few reasons:

1. The red truck in the bus lot that police said a year later was cleared but I still find it hard to believe it took over a year to ID a parent spying on their own kid as LE claimed

2. Red is a hard colour to confuse.  You know the person can not be colour blind to see the red truck (if they were the truck would be grey or silver most likely)  so where did this red truck come from and how did JG have access to it or did he tell someone else that was checking out his handy work or watching his back for him?

3.  I do not believe IMO that Amber was his first kill.  I also think he learned a lot while he was in jail and stayed in touch with his prison buds.  Was the red truck a buddy that was taking him out there as they were bragging? 



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Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2010, 06:45:01 PM
I have been waiting for LE to say something about Amber's cell phone, who turned it on and where exactly it pinged from.  Has anyone seen anything about it now that information has come out?


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
If you recall NorRose we had learned the cell phone pinged in I think it was Long Beach or Oceanside? Now I don't recall but it was some place outside of Escondido...could he have ties to someone in that are that has a red truck? I wonder how it is being explained that the phone pinged in those area's?

I don't think Amber was his first either nor do I believe Chelsea was the next victim.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2010, 06:49:35 PM
I have been waiting for LE to say something about Amber's cell phone, who turned it on and where exactly it pinged from.  Has anyone seen anything about it now that information has come out?

jinx we both posted at the same time about the same thing, lol


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Post by: Northern Rose on May 21, 2010, 07:09:28 PM
If you recall NorRose we had learned the cell phone pinged in I think it was Long Beach or Oceanside? Now I don't recall but it was some place outside of Escondido...could he have ties to someone in that are that has a red truck? I wonder how it is being explained that the phone pinged in those area's?

I don't think Amber was his first either nor do I believe Chelsea was the next victim.

I remember reading Oceanside and had my doubts about that to be accurate.  ::MonkeyEek::  IRCC Ampersand is in that area and I have no doubt she would have been all over it looking for someone who saw something. 


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2010, 08:49:18 PM
If you recall NorRose we had learned the cell phone pinged in I think it was Long Beach or Oceanside? Now I don't recall but it was some place outside of Escondido...could he have ties to someone in that are that has a red truck? I wonder how it is being explained that the phone pinged in those area's?

I don't think Amber was his first either nor do I believe Chelsea was the next victim.

I remember reading Oceanside and had my doubts about that to be accurate.  ::MonkeyEek::  IRCC Ampersand is in that area and I have no doubt she would have been all over it looking for someone who saw something. 

I need to look that up, I recall we all were very surprised because we hadn't heard that before.


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2010, 08:55:31 PM
*BUMPING UP* In this article it says he was stopped in Oceanside for a traffic stop so maybe he has ties there? Still looking for the artcle about the extra cell phone ping. 

News 8 Investigation: FBI seizes white pickup truck once owned by Gardner
 
http://kfmb.images.worldnow.com/images/12127421_BG1.jpg

The FBI has seized a white pickup truck that sex offender John Gardner may have been driving at the time Amber Dubois went missing. Investigators are looking for DNA inside the truck that could link Amber Dubois to the accused killer. In this News 8 Investigation we learn that vehicles driven by Gardner could become key pieces of evidence.

The 2004 Chevy Silverado was repossessed from Gardner around the same time Amber Dubois went missing in February 2009. It was sold to a new owner last year at used car lot in the Wilmington neighborhood of Los Angeles.  The manager of the car lot remembers buying the truck at auction.

"It's just a standard, white Silverado pickup with four doors. We purchased it on the 9th of March of 2009 at the South Bay Auction, which is in Gardena," Ulises Galvez said.

FBI agents seized the vehicle Wednesday in Los Angeles from its current owner, an immigrant who purchased the truck last year from the Kar Connections lot in Wilmington. Agents told the current owner they needed to impound the truck for several weeks to test it for DNA.

The car lot manager says the truck was cleaned before they sold it.

"We shampoo the carpets and the seats and then wash the windows and the dash," Galvez said.

DMV records show Gardner purchased the truck in 2006. He was driving it in Nov. 2008 when he received a misdemeanor citation for possession of marijuana in Oceanside.

It was repossessed in Feb. 2009, and a short time later Gardner purchased a new vehicle.

The Heller Ford dealership in Escondido confirms Gardner paid cash for a gold, 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix in June 2009. A few months later, a Lake Elsinore girl told deputies a man who looked like Gardner tried to force her into a gold-colored Pontiac, but she got away.

Court records show Gardner has received five traffic tickets and citations since 2008, and each time the citation shows him driving a different vehicle.

In 2008 he was driving a black Hyundai four-door sedan. In 2008 and 2009 he was driving the white Chevy pickup recently seized by the FBI. In April 2009 a traffic ticket shows Gardner was driving his girlfriend's grey Ford Focus. Later in 2009, he was behind the wheel of the gold Pontiac Grand Prix. Finally, in Jan. 2010, a traffic ticket shows him driving a 2002 black Nissan Sentra with a significant amount of damage.

Records show at least two of those cars were registered to Gardner's girlfriend, 28-year-old Jariah Baker. News 8 has confirmed Baker is currently living in a residential drug and alcohol rehab house in Escondido called Serenity House. She did not respond to News 8's emails and phone messages asking for a comment.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12127421



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Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2010, 09:08:19 PM
Well now I am in "search hell". Isn't there an article saying when he was sited for possessing pot he was with someone that actually was arrested for breaking probation? I think we all commented on why didn't JG get arrested. I think it was at a park? I think it was in Oceanside, not sure, I do believe however he was sited for possession only one time.
Who was the man that was arrested. 


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Post by: chi-monkey on May 22, 2010, 11:34:25 PM
Well now I am in "search hell". Isn't there an article saying when he was sited for possessing pot he was with someone that actually was arrested for breaking probation? I think we all commented on why didn't JG get arrested. I think it was at a park? I think it was in Oceanside, not sure, I do believe however he was sited for possession only one time.
Who was the man that was arrested. 

 http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/18/gardner-remained-free-after-repeated-run-ins

This is an excellent article which mentions that event among others.   They left out the name but I do remember it was Whitehair.  (As I recall, IMO)

Chi-M






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Post by: klaasend on May 23, 2010, 11:15:08 AM
Well now I am in "search hell". Isn't there an article saying when he was sited for possessing pot he was with someone that actually was arrested for breaking probation? I think we all commented on why didn't JG get arrested. I think it was at a park? I think it was in Oceanside, not sure, I do believe however he was sited for possession only one time.
Who was the man that was arrested. 

 http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/18/gardner-remained-free-after-repeated-run-ins

This is an excellent article which mentions that event among others.   They left out the name but I do remember it was Whitehair.  (As I recall, IMO)

Chi-M






http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/18/gardner-remained-free-after-repeated-run-ins/

(snipped)

Much about the Oceanside incident would have violated Gardner’s parole: the beer, the pot, the park location, his buddy’s sex-offender status and the fact Gardner was out after 5 p.m. But his parole had ended two months earlier.

The episode did become a parole violation for Dominique Whitehair, who’s a registered sex offender for the misdemeanor charge of annoying or molesting a minor. Whitehair was sent back to prison for more than nine months, according to the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

For Gardner, it was merely a $640 lapse in judgment, one of three San Diego County Superior Court fines that a court spokeswoman said Gardner has had referred to collections.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on May 26, 2010, 12:42:49 PM
I may be missing something, but I don't understand what good this will do??  How will that prevent anything?


May 25, 2010 12:35 PM
Amber Dubois' Father Wants Special IDs for Sex Offenders, Says Report

LONG BEACH, Calif. (CBS/KCAL) Amber Dubois' life was cut tragically short by a convicted sex offender who managed to fly under the radar for years, and Amber's father wants to make sure that never happens again.

Moe Dubois plans to announce a legislative package he has drafted with California Assemblyman Pedro Nava (D-Santa Barbara) meant to assist law enforcement in better identifying and tracking sex offenders.

"We believe that the time is now to implement thoughtful legislation that will make a real difference in the lives of missing children," Dubois told CBS affiliate KCAL. "We want to use our loss to bring about real change so that no family has to go through what we did."

The proposed legislation calls for registered sex offenders to be issued distinctive driver's licenses or state-issued IDs that bear a mark that immediately identifies that person as a sex offender, according to local San Diego station KNDS.

Moe Dubois acknowledged that many critics would say the distinctive IDs would amount to a scarlet letter, potentially violating the civil rights of sex offenders. But the legislation wouldn't be the first of its kind. According to the station, both Delaware and Louisiana issue special identification to sex offenders, Louisiana's is branded with a bold "SEX OFFENDER" and Delaware's features a "Y" designation.

The expected cost could be another stumbling block, but Moe Dubois says he is prepared to fight to push the legislation through.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20005864-504083.html


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Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 26, 2010, 01:38:58 PM
I may be missing something, but I don't understand what good this will do??  How will that prevent anything?


May 25, 2010 12:35 PM
Amber Dubois' Father Wants Special IDs for Sex Offenders, Says Report

LONG BEACH, Calif. (CBS/KCAL) Amber Dubois' life was cut tragically short by a convicted sex offender who managed to fly under the radar for years, and Amber's father wants to make sure that never happens again.

Moe Dubois plans to announce a legislative package he has drafted with California Assemblyman Pedro Nava (D-Santa Barbara) meant to assist law enforcement in better identifying and tracking sex offenders.

"We believe that the time is now to implement thoughtful legislation that will make a real difference in the lives of missing children," Dubois told CBS affiliate KCAL. "We want to use our loss to bring about real change so that no family has to go through what we did."

The proposed legislation calls for registered sex offenders to be issued distinctive driver's licenses or state-issued IDs that bear a mark that immediately identifies that person as a sex offender, according to local San Diego station KNDS.

Moe Dubois acknowledged that many critics would say the distinctive IDs would amount to a scarlet letter, potentially violating the civil rights of sex offenders. But the legislation wouldn't be the first of its kind. According to the station, both Delaware and Louisiana issue special identification to sex offenders, Louisiana's is branded with a bold "SEX OFFENDER" and Delaware's features a "Y" designation.

The expected cost could be another stumbling block, but Moe Dubois says he is prepared to fight to push the legislation through.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20005864-504083.html

I'm not sure how this will work, but living in this state, and the budget, I can't see there being a budget for this to be done  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Tracygirl on May 26, 2010, 02:22:56 PM
Well if they don't want to be classified and singled out as a sex offender, don't be one! At least an officer will be able to tell right off who they are dealing with. Better then what we have now which is not enough.

I say we go one step further and have them wear an ankle bracelet for life. Somethings are worth the money.


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on May 26, 2010, 08:24:24 PM
I don't see the big cost for this. Putting Sex Offender on a drivers license is no different than putting wears glasses on your license. They charge you for your drivers license. I can't remember what I paid for mine when they changed the back of your card so it can be swiped. I think if was $5.00 or $10.00. I just don't see this big cost. I don't remember a big cost to watermark under 21 on drivers license for the young. If the sex offender wants to remain free he pays out of pocket for that privilege.


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Post by: klaasend on May 28, 2010, 11:02:39 PM
Shouldn't be that big a cost.  Like eyeglasses, it would simply be a box the DMV checks then will be imprinted on the DL or ID. 


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Post by: labubske on May 31, 2010, 12:00:56 AM
I may be missing something, but I don't understand what good this will do??  How will that prevent anything?


May 25, 2010 12:35 PM
Amber Dubois' Father Wants Special IDs for Sex Offenders, Says Report

LONG BEACH, Calif. (CBS/KCAL) Amber Dubois' life was cut tragically short by a convicted sex offender who managed to fly under the radar for years, and Amber's father wants to make sure that never happens again.

Moe Dubois plans to announce a legislative package he has drafted with California Assemblyman Pedro Nava (D-Santa Barbara) meant to assist law enforcement in better identifying and tracking sex offenders.

"We believe that the time is now to implement thoughtful legislation that will make a real difference in the lives of missing children," Dubois told CBS affiliate KCAL. "We want to use our loss to bring about real change so that no family has to go through what we did."

The proposed legislation calls for registered sex offenders to be issued distinctive driver's licenses or state-issued IDs that bear a mark that immediately identifies that person as a sex offender, according to local San Diego station KNDS.

Moe Dubois acknowledged that many critics would say the distinctive IDs would amount to a scarlet letter, potentially violating the civil rights of sex offenders. But the legislation wouldn't be the first of its kind. According to the station, both Delaware and Louisiana issue special identification to sex offenders, Louisiana's is branded with a bold "SEX OFFENDER" and Delaware's features a "Y" designation.

The expected cost could be another stumbling block, but Moe Dubois says he is prepared to fight to push the legislation through.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20005864-504083.html


I think that it could be useful in situations like the one reported in the JAG case...where a woman was being followed and she contacted the police and then left...the police found JAG (which could have had his alternate ID) but if he had the actual one...and it had the alert on it...then maybe they would have put two and two together a lot faster...and checked him out in other cases...and if it costs more then they should pay the extra...


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Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2010, 01:23:37 PM
John Gardner Held in Same Prison Unit as Charles Manson
John Gardner was transferred to Corcoran State Prison last week.

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BAKERSFIELD -- John Albert Gardner III, the man serving life in prison for the murders of two San Diego teens, is sharing a prison unit with another notorious killer -- Charles Manson.

Gardner was transferred to the Corcoran State Prison north of Bakersfield on June 3rd, according to Terry Thornton, spokeswoman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Gardner has his own cell, but is able to socialize with other inmates including the famed cult leader and Mikhail Markhasev, the man convicted of killing Bill Cosby's son.

Corcoran is the state's only facility with a Protective Housing Unit, according to jail officials.

Gardner pleaded guilty in April to raping and murding 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

Chelsea's body was found days after she was attacked while jogging in a park in February.

Amber's remains were found in March, more than a year after she disappeared while walking to school.

Gardner reportedly led authorities to her remains.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-gardner-manson,0,1387931.story


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Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2010, 01:24:26 PM
Special day for Dubois, King Families at PETCO Park

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (CBS 8) - The families of Amber Dubois and Chelsea King enjoyed an unforgettable afternoon at PETCO park today.

Chelsea's 13-year old brother, Tyler, got to throw out the first pitch before the start of the Padres' game against the Seattle Mariners.

Then, Amber's seven-year old sister, Allison, delivered the official game ball to the pitcher's mound.

Amber's father says he's certain his daughter, and Chelsea King, would be proud of today's event.

The Padres say they wanted to do something special for the families of the slain teenagers, who have endured so much pain and heartache.

Convicted killer John Gardner is serving life in prison for the murdering both girls.

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12642647


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Post by: Shell on July 14, 2010, 12:09:39 AM
John Gardner Held in Same Prison Unit as Charles Manson
John Gardner was transferred to Corcoran State Prison last week.

(http://www.ktla.com/media/photo/2010-06/54255415.jpg)

BAKERSFIELD -- John Albert Gardner III, the man serving life in prison for the murders of two San Diego teens, is sharing a prison unit with another notorious killer -- Charles Manson.

Gardner was transferred to the Corcoran State Prison north of Bakersfield on June 3rd, according to Terry Thornton, spokeswoman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Gardner has his own cell, but is able to socialize with other inmates including the famed cult leader and Mikhail Markhasev, the man convicted of killing Bill Cosby's son.

Corcoran is the state's only facility with a Protective Housing Unit, according to jail officials.

Gardner pleaded guilty in April to raping and murding 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

Chelsea's body was found days after she was attacked while jogging in a park in February.

Amber's remains were found in March, more than a year after she disappeared while walking to school.

Gardner reportedly led authorities to her remains.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-gardner-manson,0,1387931.story

So the more horrendous and newsworthy the crime, the more protection those like J Gardner are protected. Something is very wrong with our system.


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Post by: Edward on July 15, 2010, 02:42:53 PM
I received a email today claiming Carrie was in Spain and in need of money..

I just want to let everyone know Carrie is Not in Spain..
She is at home in Escondido and just fine..

So if you receive the same ignore it, just somebody trying to gain money.

The price of fame I suppose. The Internet rip off artists are hard at work.


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Post by: Tracygirl on July 15, 2010, 08:44:37 PM
OMG Edward!  ::MonkeyMad::



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Post by: MuffyBee on August 23, 2010, 09:54:19 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/23/amber-dubois-mother-launches-website/
Amber Dubois' mother launches website
August 23, 2010

The mother of murdered Escondido teenager Amber Dubois has launched a website in memory of her daughter.

The Team Amber Rescue site, at http://teamamberrescue.com, was put together by Carrie McGonigle to honor her daughter and to help train people in ways to search for missing children.

Amber disappeared while walking to Escondido High School the morning of Feb. 13. 2009.

According to the Web site:

“Reported missing, the police declined to issue an Amber Alert and maintained that she was likely a runaway although possibly she could have been abducted. Carrie knew her daughter was someone’s victim, and, praying that she was still alive, worked with family, friends and volunteers to find her with searches on foot, on horse, door to door, websites, mailers, posters, media, psychics, and, even knocking on doors of known sex offenders.

“After almost 13 month of searching, on March 6, 2010, Amber’s remains were found because her murderer had raped and killed again. The registered sex offender repeatedly violated his parole but was left free to drive the quiet streets near three schools. He admitted he had snatched, raped and stabbed her to death within 90 minutes.

“Carrie and Team Amber Rescue want to be there with immediate help whenever a child goes missing but you need to be prepared for such an emergency.”

John Albert Gardner III pleaded guilty in April to raping and killing Amber and Poway teenager Chelsea King. He is currently serving two life sentences and will never be eligible for parole.


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Post by: klaasend on September 09, 2010, 01:34:55 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/24937886/detail.html

Gov. Schwarzenegger To Sign Chelsea's Law Today
Governor Will Sign Bill In Balboa Park


POSTED: 4:56 am PDT September 9, 2010
UPDATED: 9:50 am PDT September 9, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- A special 5-mile-long message in honor of slain Poway High teenager Chelsea King will appear briefly high in the sky above the Inland Corridor Thursday.

At 3:30 p.m., Worldwide Sky Advertising will write out a message that "celebrates the love the San Diego community has shown for Chelsea, and the King family's love for the San Diego community," said family spokeswoman Sara Muller Fraunces.

The message comes the same day Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will be at Spreckels Organ Pavilion in Balboa Park to sign legislation named for Chelsea. Brent and Kelly King, Chelsea's parents, will be present for the morning signing event, along with the bill's author, Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, R-San Diego.

Assembly Bill 1844, also known as Chelsea's Law, requires a life sentence without the possibility of parole for forcible sex acts against minors. It would also tighten sex offense parole guidelines and require lifelong tracking of certain sex offenders.

Today's skywriting message was arranged by Padres announcer Mark Grant and friends of the King family, and underwritten by an anonymous donor, according to the spokeswoman. It will for sure be visible from Poway High School, where Chelsea would have graduated last June had she not been raped and murdered by sex offender John Albert Gardner III on Feb. 25.

The Kings and their extended family planned to view today's skywriting privately from a hilltop spot somewhere in Poway.

Pilot Greg Stinis will spend about 10 minutes writing out the message over 5 miles, Fraunces said, adding that each character will be as tall as the Empire State Building.

Gardner, 31, was sentenced in May to two life terms without parole for murdering and sexually assaulting Chelsea and for abducting, raping and fatally stabbing 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido a year earlier.

A package of bills promoted by Amber's father that are intended to improve law enforcement handling of missing person cases also await the governor's signature.


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Post by: Tracygirl on September 09, 2010, 04:43:21 PM
Chelsea and Amber will forever be remembered. God bless them both along with all who loved and charished them.  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Edward on September 09, 2010, 05:08:17 PM
Everyone please go sign the guest book at Ambers Web site.



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Post by: Tracygirl on September 10, 2010, 12:40:46 PM
Everyone please go sign the guest book at Ambers Web site.



Edward can you please post the link? TIA

Have you spoken to Carrie? How is she doing? I think of her often and continue to send prayers her way


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Post by: Edward on September 10, 2010, 01:10:00 PM
http://teamamberrescue.com/

TracyGirl

I think Carrie is ok now... It has been a tough road and will probably be an emotional roller coaster for many years.
 It is for everyone who deals with this kind of loss, I am sure.
Carrie is an outstanding personality and I am sure she will find a way and this web site is one of those things.
jmho



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Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2010, 02:55:48 AM
http://teamamberrescue.com/

TracyGirl

I think Carrie is ok now... It has been a tough road and will probably be an emotional roller coaster for many years.
 It is for everyone who deals with this kind of loss, I am sure.
Carrie is an outstanding personality and I am sure she will find a way and this web site is one of those things.
jmho



Thank you Edward for the link. I posted a message. This case will forever break my heart. It is such a loss of a beautiful, young, innocent girl. 
As for Carrie, I wish all of the parents had her gusto. she never stopped, always questioned, never settled and never loss her hope yet at the same time had a sense of reality. I know Amber looks down at her mother and father with such pride. Amber knows they did everything they could to find her and bring her home. And now both are doing everything they can to make the loss of their child have meaning, they are doing good.
anyway, thanks again Edward for the heads up on the website. It is a beautiful site forsure. 


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Post by: labubske on September 19, 2010, 11:46:56 PM
Everyone please go sign the guest book at Ambers Web site.



Thank you for posting this...I went and signed it. 


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Post by: Ampersand on September 24, 2010, 02:55:23 PM
Dateline NBC Premiere tonight 8pm  "In Broad Daylight" special on Amber and Chelsea...

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/22/5158333-sept-24-in-broad-daylight-two-hour-season-premiere-/from/toolbar


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Post by: MuffyBee on September 24, 2010, 02:56:56 PM
Dateline NBC Premiere tonight 8pm  "In Broad Daylight" special on Amber and Chelsea...

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/22/5158333-sept-24-in-broad-daylight-two-hour-season-premiere-/from/toolbar


Thank you Ampersand.


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Post by: cookie on September 28, 2010, 10:39:50 PM
Dateline NBC Premiere tonight 8pm  "In Broad Daylight" special on Amber and Chelsea...

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/22/5158333-sept-24-in-broad-daylight-two-hour-season-premiere-/from/toolbar


Thank you Ampersand.

I saw this program..it was really good..


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Post by: Tracygirl on October 14, 2010, 04:49:40 PM
I had not seen the show. I watched it today....Thank you for posting.

Prayers for both families and for Amber and Chelsea


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2010, 01:08:59 AM
48 Hours Mystery

Amber Dubois Special

10:00 PM PT


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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on November 07, 2010, 02:07:20 AM
I watched the 48 hours show on Amber tonight. It was nice to hear that the family is moving forward with their lives.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on November 07, 2010, 06:56:52 AM
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/48_hours/video/?vs=Full%20Episodes
48 Hours:" Taken - The Amber Dubois Story

Air Date: 11/06/10


Full Episode 41:20
In Full: A predator kills two girls and admits he would kill again. A "48 Hours" exclusive. Troy Roberts reports.


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Post by: cookie on November 07, 2010, 09:52:37 AM
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/48_hours/video/?vs=Full%20Episodes
48 Hours:" Taken - The Amber Dubois Story

Air Date: 11/06/10


Full Episode 41:20
In Full: A predator kills two girls and admits he would kill again. A "48 Hours" exclusive. Troy Roberts reports.


I watched this last night as well..
very sad for their family.. their pain is unimaginable...


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Post by: Tracygirl on November 09, 2010, 09:04:26 PM
Thanks for posting this. I am watching now. What a case this was. I followed both Ambers and Chelsea's cases. Thank God both girls were found and the person responsible was discovered and arrested.
I pray this is the outcome in every single case on this site.



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Post by: Nut44x4 on November 10, 2010, 06:02:11 AM
I received a email today claiming Carrie was in Spain and in need of money..

I just want to let everyone know Carrie is Not in Spain..
She is at home in Escondido and just fine..

So if you receive the same ignore it, just somebody trying to gain money.

The price of fame I suppose. The Internet rip off artists are hard at work.


I just noticed this post and the date on it. Around the same time I received an Email from a friend of mine in Georgia. It came directly from my friends email addy, so I opened it and the  content was very similar ... Bre was stranded in a foreign country and had her stuff stolen and needed money....blah, blah... Well, I know Bre and my # 1 clue was that I know she would never be in a foreign country  ::MonkeyHaHa:: so I deleted it. Come to find out her email was hacked and the person was sending this letter to everyone in her addy book. People will do anything for a buck.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on November 10, 2010, 06:03:10 AM


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/tink-lock100.gif)



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Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on November 11, 2010, 04:25:43 PM
At least once a week I have to drive  Interstate 15 over Lake Hodges and every single time I do I am reminded of what happened there. Last week it was my birthday and when I drove over the lake I was reminded I was another year older, but Chealse and Amber will never be another year older. Because of Gardner!!!!  I'm having a hard time with the fact that he gets to be another year older..... every year. I wish he were dead, I wish he were dead, I wish he were dead.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on November 12, 2010, 10:55:51 AM
I will have to agree with that! Oh......and Happy Belated (http://bestsmileys.com/birthday2/15.gif)


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Post by: Tracygirl on December 25, 2010, 08:50:38 PM
God Bless you Amber, Merry Christmas

My heart and prayers go out to Ambers friends and family today and always.


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Post by: Lovinlife on February 12, 2011, 10:15:31 PM
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg241/LavandaDolce/ForverinOurHeartsAmberDubois.jpg)


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Post by: Tracygirl on February 13, 2011, 02:45:47 PM
Dear Amber,
Thinking about you today. I am sending many prayers of support to the family and many friends of Amber.


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Post by: MuffyBee on February 23, 2011, 10:40:52 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_5640a634-247f-5938-a8ca-9158e0d26ccd.html
REGION: Local lawmakers' legislation runs the gamut
Friday was state Legislature's bill-filing deadline ---- sort of
February 20, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Assemblyman Paul Cook, R-Yucaipa, whose district includes a slice of Menifee, is sponsoring four bills to beef up sex-offender laws. The package was sought by Moe Dubois, father of abducted, raped and slain Escondido teenager Amber Dubois.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2011, 08:06:06 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/article_3498e1fa-c6e7-58b8-aa65-76b0d5f733e2.html
FORUM: Bill would keep better tabs on sexual predators
March 10, 2011


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Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2011, 08:08:14 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_d08ea9bf-735d-58df-8fe5-1675757f7bea.html
REGION: Poker run to benefit Team Amber Rescue
March 10, 2011

A poker run in North County, set for Saturday and dubbed Harley Gras Fusion, will benefit Team Amber Rescue and Rock to Stop the Violence, organizers said.

Information about the event, hosted by Biggs Harley-Davidson, can be found at www.biggsh-d.com.
 ::snipping2::
Named after kidnapped and slain Escondido teen Amber Dubois, Team Amber Rescue trains volunteers in search and rescue techniques. Rock to Stop Violence is a community organization dedicated to violence education, prevention and recovery.


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Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2011, 08:11:51 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/10/dumanis-announce-mayoral-bid/
San Diego mayor's race begins to take shape
March 10, 2011

The race for mayor heated up Thursday when District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis announced her candidacy and state Sen. Christine Kehoe suggested she may be moving in that direction.
 ::snipping2::
Dumanis maintains some inherent advantages. She’s the only one of those being mentioned that counts the entire city among her constituents.

The longtime officeholder was elected to the Municipal Court bench in 1994, four years before being elected Superior Court judge. Last year, she was frequently in the public spotlight after her office was tasked with prosecuting John Gardner III on charges that he raped and murdered Poway High School student Chelsea King.

Gardner, a registered sex offender, pleaded guilty to her murder, as well as to the 2009 murder of 14-year-old Amber of Escondido. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole.


Dumanis said among her accomplishments has been bringing together a once-divided District Attorney’s Office while maintaining a 94 percent felony conviction rate, one of the highest in the state. On Thursday, she touted her executive experience overseeing local, state and federal dollars.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/26/police-department-honors-extraordinary-work/
Police department honors extraordinary work
March 26, 2011

ESCONDIDO — The Escondido Police Department honored more than three dozen public safety employees and citizens for outstanding work in 2010 during the department’s annual awards ceremony Thursday afternoon.

The awards recognized efforts that went beyond the usual responsibilities of public safety officers and volunteers. Extraordinary assistance in curbing gang involvement or transferring a communications center from an old police station to a new one were just some of the reasons for the recognition.
 ::snipping2::
• Exceptional Performance Citation: Detective Albert Estrada led the task force investigating the disappearance of Amber Dubois.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2011, 08:19:33 PM
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=amber+dubois
Sheriff's veteran homicide investigator retires
Dennis Brugos handled about 200 murder cases in a 29-year sheriff's career
March 26, 2011
 ::snipping2::
In a 29-year career with the department, he spent about 14 of them working in homicide. In all, he handled about 200 murder investigations.

“There’s nobody more victimized than a homicide victim,” Brugos said. “I’ll stand up for these people because they can’t stand up for themselves any longer.”
 ::snipping2::
Brugos said the hardest part of the job was dealing with victims’ families. That was particularly so last year, he said, when John Gardner III was arrested for the rapes and murders of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway, and Amber Dubois, 14, of Escondido.

“We want to look at ourselves as protectors of society, and we weren’t able to protect these people,” Brugos said. “They were tragically taken from us in a brutal way.”
 ::snipping2::
He said he intends to spend more time with his children and six grandchildren. Brugos also wants to take history and art classes. He paints and draws and has been known to do caricatures of his colleagues.

Brugos said he also may volunteer at a horse-assisted therapy program and the Cabrillo National Monument.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Cappuccino on April 08, 2011, 05:29:04 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/

Dateline NBC Do you remember the missing California girls, Amber Dubois and Chelsea King? Keith Morrison reports their connected stories this Friday at 9pm/8c...4/8/11

Preview: 'In Broad Daylight'
www.msnbc.msn.com
Amber Dubois vanished in San Diego County, a search turned up nothing. Then, a year later, Chelsea King disappeared in a neighboring town. Were the two connected? Keith Morrison reports on the exhaustive searches and how detectives tracked down their suspect


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Post by: cookie on April 08, 2011, 09:57:54 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/

Dateline NBC Do you remember the missing California girls, Amber Dubois and Chelsea King? Keith Morrison reports their connected stories this Friday at 9pm/8c...4/8/11

Preview: 'In Broad Daylight'
www.msnbc.msn.com
Amber Dubois vanished in San Diego County, a search turned up nothing. Then, a year later, Chelsea King disappeared in a neighboring town. Were the two connected? Keith Morrison reports on the exhaustive searches and how detectives tracked down their suspect


watching it now ....


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Post by: MuffyBee on September 22, 2011, 12:43:04 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/21/BABP1L7JLJ.DTL&tsp=1
Discovery of Michelle Le's remains brings solace
September 21, 2011

Carrie McGonigle, whose 14-year-old daughter was raped and murdered by a registered sex offender in San Diego two years ago, didn't know what to expect when her yellow Labrador retriever suddenly bolted from her during a search for Michelle Le's body Saturday along a rural path in Alameda County.

It turned out that her 1-year-old dog, whom she named Amber, had found Le's skeletal remains hidden in tall brush, nearly four months after the nursing student disappeared from a Hayward hospital's parking garage.

Now, amid the pain over losing her daughter, McGonigle is finding some solace knowing that she played a part in bringing the 26-year-old San Mateo woman home to her family for a proper burial. A former high school friend of Le's from San Diego, Giselle Esteban, 27, has been arrested and charged with murder.

"I have a tremendous amount of sadness, not only reliving my own tragedy but also for the Le family," McGonigle, her voice breaking, said at a news conference Wednesday in San Diego. "This experience has made me come to terms with my own fear, the fear that I would not be capable of handling an experience like this."

McGonigle formed Team Amber Rescue, a volunteer search group, after her daughter, Amber Dubois, was murdered by registered sex offender John Gardner III. Gardner admitted that he had raped and murdered Amber in 2009 and another San Diego girl, 17-year-old Chelsea King, the following year, and is serving a life sentence.
 ::snipping2::
At about 10:30 a.m. Saturday, McGonigle's team was searching off a dirt path near Pleasanton, between Foothill Road and railroad tracks west of Interstate 680 and north of Verona Road. McGonigle was taking off her dog's leash to attach to her harness when the animal suddenly ran off, returned and jumped on her chest. McGonigle followed the dog and "noticed what could possibly be some sort of remains."

McGonigle said she "praised Amber" and notified a police officer nearby before continuing with the search throughout the day, "not aware of the outcome."

Her dog is being taught how to be a search-and-rescue K9 and has never undergone training to search for bodies, she said. But Amber will now go through cadaver training, she said.
 ::snipping2::



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Post by: MuffyBee on May 23, 2012, 01:47:37 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/region-chelsea-s-law-escapes-budget-ax/article_d9910adb-7bc3-50d6-ac49-615f933ee253.html
REGION: 'Chelsea's Law' escapes budget ax
By Mark Walker
May 16, 2012

State budget woes apparently won't get in the way of counties fully implementing "Chelsea's Law," a measure that imposes tough requirements on sex offenders.

Gov. Jerry Brown's revised budget released Monday removed a provision that gave counties authority to delay requiring sex offenders on probation to participate in a management program and be under strict monitoring.

State Assemblyman and San Diego mayoral candidate Nathan Fletcher hailed the governor's action. But in a statement released Wednesday, his spokeswoman said more needs to be done to fully implement the law.
 ::snipping2::
The law is named after Poway's Chelsea King, a 17-year-old who in 2010 was kidnapped, raped and murdered by previously convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III.

Gardner admitted doing the same to 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido a year earlier. He is serving a life prison sentence.


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Post by: MuffyBee on May 23, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/15/chelseas-law-back-on-track/
Chelsea’s Law back on track
Teen's father, Assemblyman Fletcher lobby for change

By Michael Gardner
May 15, 2012


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Post by: MuffyBee on May 23, 2012, 01:49:26 PM
http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/63978/
AAU hosts second annual Home Run for Chelsea Baseball Tournament
By JP Raineri
May 18th, 2012, Issue 20, Volume 18

ORTH COUNTY – Two years ago, residents from the surrounding areas were stunned and in disbelief when 17-year-old Poway High School senior, Chelsea King, was kidnapped and murdered by Lake Elsinore resident John Gardner, who also admitted to killing 14-year-old Escondido High School freshmen, Amber Dubois, in 2009.

In the wake of their daughter’s death, Chelsea’s parents, Brent and Kelly, launched Chelsea’s Light Foundation. The non-profit organization, according to its Facebook page, "aims to unite and lead people who are passionate about protecting children and inspiring positive change in their communities."

The group has helped organize many events in the teen’s honor and created service scholarships for students. In its first year, the organization awarded $65,000 to college-bound seniors, established a peer counseling program and developed an outreach and support initiative for the victims of sexual assault.

Many patrons are still coming together time and time again to make sure the memory of these young girls stays alive, and for the second year in a row, the event organizers from the local chapter of Southern California’s American Athletic Union (AAU) along with the Chelsea’s Light foundation will be putting on a one-day baseball tournament that will take place on May 20.
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In total, more than 1,000 youth will be playing simultaneous baseball on 10 fields with about 65 volunteer umpires.

To find out more information about the upcoming tournament "Home Run for Chelsea" as well as more about the Southern California Amateur Athletic Union, visit the website at www.socalaaubaseball.com. To make a donation to the Chelsea’s Light Foundation, go to www.chelseaslight.org.   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: klaasend on July 06, 2012, 10:39:19 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Amber-Dubois-Mother-Confronts-Lost-Girls-Author-161531275.html (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Amber-Dubois-Mother-Confronts-Lost-Girls-Author-161531275.html)


Amber Dubois' Mother Confronts 'Lost Girls' Author

Carrie McGonigle, mother of murdered teenager Amber Dubois, came face-to-face Thursday with the author of a new book that details her daughter’s death and the murder of Chelsea King
By Tony Shin, Monica Garske and Lauren Steussy
|  Friday, Jul 6, 2012

The mother of murdered North County teenager Amber Dubois confronted the author of a new book Thursday that details the death of her daughter, as well as the murder of teenager Chelsea King.

Author Caitlin Rother released “Lost Girls” Tuesday, a book detailing the murders of the two local teenage girls. The book was written without the permission of the families and includes a 15-page interview with the man who killed the teens, John Gardner.

Dubois,14, went missing in February 2009. Her remains were not found until March 2010, after Gardner was arrested and questioned following the rape and murder of Poway High School senior Chelsea King. King and Dubois were both kidnapped, raped and murdered by Gardner.

On Thursday, Rother held a book signing at a Barnes & Noble in Mira Mesa. In front of an audience, Rother explained why she wrote the book and took questions from the crowd.

“Let's try to fix these flaws -- the corrections system, the mental health system, the parole system. There were problems with all of them,” Rother told the crowd.

One question came from Amber Dubois’ mother, Carrie McGonigle, who was in the audience.

Earlier on Thursday, McGonigle and Chelsea's father Brent King released a joint statement admonishing Rother for profiting from the book.

“With the publication of an unauthorized new book, our families are being driven backwards at a time when we’re all working so hard to move forward," the two wrote. "We have already been through the most devastating storm of our lives so, although weathering this new one pales, we are deeply hurt."

McGonigle, along with the King family, said at the book signing that she did not want the book written for fear of reopening old wounds.

"I want to know if our system is still failing us when it comes to John Gardner,” McGonigle asked Rother at the book signing.

Rother interviewed Gardner in prison and McGonigle believes prison officials broke the rules by allowing it without a glass partition.


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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/09/tp-honor-for-slain-girls-stalls-in-legislature/
HONOR FOR SLAIN GIRLS STALLS IN LEGISLATURE
July 9, 2012

A few months after the conviction of John Gardner for the rape and murders of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois in 2010, it was suggested that two highway segments be named in the girls’ honor.

The county Board of Supervisors passed a resolution urging the Legislature to approve naming the Interstate 15 bridge over Lake Hodges “The Chelsea King Memorial Bridge,” and a segment of state Route 78 near the San Diego Zoo Safari Park as “Amber Dubois Highway.”

Chelsea, 17, of Poway, was killed on the banks of Lake Hodges. Amber, 14, of Escondido, loved animals.

It was thought that Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher of San Diego would push the legislation through. Nothing happened, however, and apparently nothing will.

Fletcher’s office said the focus has been and continues to be getting the various provisions of Chelsea’s Law passed and strengthened. The law, authored by Fletcher, includes enhanced sentencing for predators who commit forcible sex crimes against children.

The highway designations and the accompanying memorial signs never came to be.
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2013, 01:30:44 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/21/BABP1L7JLJ.DTL&tsp=1
Discovery of Michelle Le's remains brings solace
September 21, 2011

Carrie McGonigle, whose 14-year-old daughter was raped and murdered by a registered sex offender in San Diego two years ago, didn't know what to expect when her yellow Labrador retriever suddenly bolted from her during a search for Michelle Le's body Saturday along a rural path in Alameda County.

It turned out that her 1-year-old dog, whom she named Amber, had found Le's skeletal remains hidden in tall brush, nearly four months after the nursing student disappeared from a Hayward hospital's parking garage.

Now, amid the pain over losing her daughter, McGonigle is finding some solace knowing that she played a part in bringing the 26-year-old San Mateo woman home to her family for a proper burial. A former high school friend of Le's from San Diego, Giselle Esteban, 27, has been arrested and charged with murder.

"I have a tremendous amount of sadness, not only reliving my own tragedy but also for the Le family," McGonigle, her voice breaking, said at a news conference Wednesday in San Diego. "This experience has made me come to terms with my own fear, the fear that I would not be capable of handling an experience like this."

McGonigle formed Team Amber Rescue, a volunteer search group, after her daughter, Amber Dubois, was murdered by registered sex offender John Gardner III. Gardner admitted that he had raped and murdered Amber in 2009 and another San Diego girl, 17-year-old Chelsea King, the following year, and is serving a life sentence.
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At about 10:30 a.m. Saturday, McGonigle's team was searching off a dirt path near Pleasanton, between Foothill Road and railroad tracks west of Interstate 680 and north of Verona Road. McGonigle was taking off her dog's leash to attach to her harness when the animal suddenly ran off, returned and jumped on her chest. McGonigle followed the dog and "noticed what could possibly be some sort of remains."

McGonigle said she "praised Amber" and notified a police officer nearby before continuing with the search throughout the day, "not aware of the outcome."

Her dog is being taught how to be a search-and-rescue K9 and has never undergone training to search for bodies, she said. But Amber will now go through cadaver training, she said.
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Last night Dateline had a two hour special that followed the case of Michelle Le from her disappearance through to justice prevailing when her killer was convicted.  It was a good documentary on so many levels.  The documentary was also very inspiring.

Janet


Michelle Le's Family, Police Respond to Dateline Report
updated 1/12/2013 3:16:24 AM ET


It’s a Bay Area story that’s had national eyes on it since the beginning – the murder of 26-year-old Michelle Le, a nursing student who first disappeared from the Kaiser Permanente parking garage in Hayward in May 2011.

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Read more:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50440370/ns/local_news-san_francisco_bay_area_ca/


Michelle Le Investigation Revisited on Dateline
Friday, Jan 11, 2013


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Friday night's episode also talked in great lengths about electronic evidence, now used in prosecuting many murder cases.

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Read more:
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Michelle-Le-Investigation-on-Dateline-186553191.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2013, 01:41:16 PM
Search for Missing Nursing Student Missing Michelle Le Turns Up Body in Sunol, CA (UPDATE: Body ID’d as Michelle Le)
Posted September 18, 2011 by Scared Monkeys
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/09/18/search-for-missing-nursing-student-missing-michelle-le-turns-up-body-in-sunol-ca/


Police Arrest Giselle Esteban in the Case of Missing Michelle Le, Charge Her With Murder
Posted September 7, 2011 by Scared Monkeys
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/09/07/police-arrest-giselle-esteban-in-the-case-of-missing-michelle-le/




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2013, 12:36:19 PM


Dateline   |  Aired on January 12, 2013

Vanished, Part 1 - Part 12

Twenty-six year-old nursing student, Michelle Le, disappears from a San Francisco Bay Area parking garage in broad daylight. A day later her friends start getting strange texts from her phone. Dateline NBC’s Keith Morrison reports. ....

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/dateline/50438824#50438824


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2013, 12:43:57 PM
Michelle Le's body found by slain teen's mother
Published 3:21 pm, Tuesday, September 20, 2011


The volunteer who found the body of missing nursing student Michelle Le over the weekend was the mother of a slain San Diego teenager, police said Tuesday.

Carrie McGonigle, the mother of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, and her search dog found Le's remains Saturday in Sunol Canyon in Alameda County, said Hayward police Lt. Roger Keener.

McGonigle's daughter and Chelsea King, 17, of San Diego were raped and killed by registered sex offender John Gardner III, who is serving a life sentence. Amber disappeared in 2009, and Chelsea vanished a year later.

McGonigle declined to comment Tuesday, saying she would speak about the discovery today

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http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Michelle-Le-s-body-found-by-slain-teen-s-mother-2309386.php



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 - 7/3/13
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