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Thanks NUT!

YIPPEE!! You are welcomeeee!!  ::cartwheel::

I got back to the last thread too late to help.  Good job, Nut & helpers.    ::MonkeyWink::

Klaas, did you cheat? ::MonkeyDevil::

NO, I checked to see if I cheated and I didn't.  We (the moderators) can post in a locked thread so sometime we can do it by accident  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I have checked on myself before also!! LOL!

Good afternoon Monkeys.  I got lost in the last thread.   ::MonkeyEek::

Good evening Blue Moon.

Hi everyone. I'm still working tonight but did have the TV on in the background tonight. Someone might have posted this prior but the E Channel did have the top 25 unsolved crimes as a feature tonight, Natalee was featured with some really good clips of Beth.

Thanks nonesuche!   ::MonkeyCool::

Great work on the thread change....sorry I missed it...needed a little nap!  It was Monday...all day long!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi nonesuche.  Keeping Natalee's story alive is where it is at.

Do you take 3 hour naps like me  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, sometimes I do.  Today an hour and a half was very refreshing!  I was really surprised I woke up and felt better that soon!   

I want a three hour nappy  ::MonkeyWaa::

7/14/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

rob smith is retira ceo y chairman of ahata

one news cu owing to sorprende (surprise) we of awemainta yesterday was the retiro anuncia for rob smith because; ceo y chairman of aruba hotel & tourism association (ahata). because this is come casi just 2 year after cu jorge pesquera owing to let the funcion here, for bay work at west palm beach, florida.

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Papiamentu translation:

rob smith is retira because; ceo y chairman of ahata for become proximo gm of radisson resort

one news cu owing to sorprende we of awemainta yesterday was the retiro anuncia for rob smith because; ceo y chairman of aruba hotel & tourism association (ahata). because this is come casi just 2 year after cu jorge pesquera owing to let the funcion here, for bay work at west palm beach, florida.sin doubt some, cu rob smith owing to haci several cambio in ahata, cu owing to come is give his frutonan y without still owing to termina his trabao, the is ask his retiro.

motibo of his retiro is, cu past owing to achieve one good oportunidad for become the proximo general manager of radisson resort, spa y casino where cu garry jutz, that recientemente owing to stay asigna because; vp special projects of carlson group y because; such will muda for merca proximamente.

in combersacion cu awemainta had cu rob smith, past owing to confirma the news, but in same breath owing to give of conoce, cu the will stay some month more because; ceo y chairman of ahata, till hour cu they achieve one susesor. already end hunta directiva of ahata owing to pidi’e for cuminsa work for busca one person cu will can follow haci his trabao, y they first thought is bay on one aruban, but also will evalua another candidatonan of exterior also.

según rob smith, the oportunidad here owing to present for become general manager of radisson resort, spa y casino, cu is one oportunidad cu do you do not achieve all day. de facto, past owing to evalua this profundamente, because assure the likes thing the is haci because; ceo of ahata, but of another near, become gm of radisson hotel also is one reto. past owing to scoge p’e ultimo here, cu as menciona, will help in busca one susesor for ahata.ora talk of busca one aruban for ocupa the funcion of ceo of ahata, thing we not owing to conoce for much year, already cu the ultimo aruban cu was ceo of ahata, was rory arends, y after of dje, we owing to conoce, horace hord, jorge pesquera y now rob smith. y think on one aruban cu can haci the trabao here, we mind is bay on the.o. rafael estrada, charlie ibarra, kendenan assure conoce the producto aruba inside y pafo, but we not can forget the aruban, for stimacion of we island, ed malone, that also assure is one good candidato, but is stay at hunta directiva of ahata for take his decision.

after cu awemainta owing to achieve confirmacion directo of rob smith, one comunicado owing to being emiti, where rob smith is ripiti thing past owing to tell awemainta, cu oficialmente past owing to informa ahata his chairman, rick zeolla y board or director of his retiro, where at otoño will asumi his encargo new.

first of owing to become ceo y chairman of ahata at 2007, rob smith owing to ocupa several function in directiva of ahata, siendo gm of wyndham y after of westin aruba resort.

rob smith owing to form part also of board or directors of caribbean hotel and tourism association (desde 2000). in his funcion new, assure the will bay form part again of hunta directiva of ahata.

Alabama AG: Australia doesn't want reputation of the new Aruba

Posted by Marienne Thomas-Ogle -- Birmingham News July 13, 2009 4:40 PM
Alabama Attorney General Troy King has sent a legal brief to Australian prosecutors citing several reasons why a Hoover man sentenced to 12 months in prison in the death of wife should receive more jail time.

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SpecialGabe and Tina Watson's engagement photo

"If we don't file anything and sit home and do nothing, the Australians will never hear Alabama's perspective on this case," King said. "I do not believe the Australians are unjust people and I know the country doesn't want the reputation of the new Aruba."

A hearing on the sentence for Gabe Watson, 32, is scheduled for Friday in the Queensland Court of Appeals.

In the 5-page brief, King cites examples of Austrailan manslaugher cases where greater sentences were rendered.

Watson received a 4 1/2 year sentence, reduced to 12 months, in the October 2003 drowning death of Christina "Tina" Thomas Watson of Helena while the two were on a honeymoon scuba diving expedition off the coast of Queensland.

In a June 5 court appearance, Watson pleaded not guilty to murder and guilty to manslaughter in Tina Watson's death. A certified rescue diver, he admitted he did not fulfill his obligation to his wife as her diving buddy.

King's brief says "the value of 26-year-old Tina Watson's life is worth more than 12 months" and points at Watson's sentence as having a poor deterrence impact. "Levying a 12-month suspended sentence on Watson sends a terrible message to foreigners: 'If you desire to kill your spouse, Queensland should be your homicide destination' ", the brief states.

Watson's Birmingham attorney, Bob Austin, declined to comment.




Categories: Breaking News
Comments
markj111 says...
Can we persuade the Boy Troy to go to Australia and stay there?

Posted on 07/13/09 at 4:53PM
TideMBA says...
markj111,

Do you really think an admitted MURDERER should only get 12 months, or do you just hate Troy King that much? This is not about party-lines. It's about justice for a young woman who was killed by her own husband.

Posted on 07/13/09 at 5:00PM
Bamascoop says...
I wonder if Troy is going to feel that way when he faces a federal judge. He needs to worry about the corruption going on in the state he is elected to protect and let Austaralia worry themselves. Troy King has had proof in front of him for over 2 years about judges in this state commtting criminal acts and he has done nothing.

This state is so bogus!

Posted on 07/13/09 at 5:00PM
bamabrock says...
how dare King try profit off the pain and suffering of this family. Aruba comments? classless. Maybe Troy should worry about his own reputation after the rumors that circulated last summer .

Posted on 07/13/09 at 5:08PM
bamabrock says...
how dare King try profit off the pain and suffering of this family. Aruba comments? classless. Maybe Troy should worry about his own reputation after the rumors that circulated last summer .

(snipped)

More comments at link.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/07/alabama_ag_australia_doesnt_wa.html

Hi Monkeys, sorry I haven't been around lately. I just wanted to visit  - but I think I'm the Lone Moneky at the moment  :-?

I saw the Lifetime movie this weekend.

Rob Smith retiring ... it's become a regular revolving door at AHTA.

texasmom - Thanks! (You know what I mean.)

Hi monkeys,

Haven't signed in for a while, been hanging in the rafters.  Apologies if this has already been posted:

   

Another Aruba scuba diving accident kills Texas educator

by LUTHER MONROE @ CDNN - Cyber Diver News Network

July 10, 2009

ORANGESTAD, Aruba — Less than a week after a young novice diver was critically injured in Aruba by a dive boat propeller, another scuba diving accident there killed a Texas educator.

Authorities told CDNN that Michael Freer, 55, died on July 2 while scuba diving during a holiday in Aruba.

Police declined to release details about the fatal scuba diving accident, which is still under investigation.

Previously, CDNN reported about a young woman who was critically injured in the final week of June while scuba diving in Aruba with Mermaid Divers.

A dive boat owned and operated by Mermaid Divers ran over and nearly killed the woman.

In December, a renowned community leader from Canada died in Aruba while scuba diving with Clive Paula of Dive Aruba.

Natural educator

Freer was a chemistry teacher at Deweyville High School and previously worked for many years as an air quality inspector for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality.

He was raised in La Marque on the Texas Gulf Coast and graduated from Lamar University with a master's degree.

Described by family, friends and co-workers as a natural educator, Freer taught industry personnel about the state emissions evaluation while working with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality and was active in the Jason Project in Southeast Texas.

Freer is survived by his wife, Donna Lavine Freer, and daughters Melissa and Ally Freer.
   
http://www.cdnn.info/news/safety/s090710a.html

Possibly this was the one we saw laid out on the sidewalk near the shop?  So sad and condolences to his family.

Apparently Aruba is also a very unsafe place for divers.


 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

    St. Maarten


Aruba considers
involving UN

THE HAGUE--If talks with the Netherlands to resolve the stalemate don’t yield results, Aruba will take the issue of being overruled in the Kingdom Council of Ministers to international institutions.

Aruba’s Minister Plenipotentiary in The Hague Frido Croes stated this in an interview with The Daily Herald on Monday. “We are evaluating steps to see in which way we can involve international institutions like the United Nations (UN) Decolonisation Committee to assess the process of decision taking in the Kingdom Council of Ministers,” he said.

Aruba believes that the Netherlands is not sticking to the rules and wants to ensure that in the future its autonomous position as country in the Kingdom is duly respected.

Croes said a “great error” was committed by using Article 43 of the Charter to overrule Aruba on the draft Consensus Kingdom Law to establish the Joint Court of Justice of the countries Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and the public entities Bonaire, Saba and St. Eustatius. Article 43 allows the Kingdom Council of Ministers to overrule a partner in the Kingdom based on the Kingdom’s responsibility to guarantee fundamental human rights, freedom, maintenance of law and order and good governance.

But Croes said he hoped Aruba wouldn’t have to go as far as approaching the UN. Aruba has several meetings planned this week with various Dutch Ministries and the Council of State to discuss the draft Consensus Kingdom Law for the Joint Court of Justice and the process of decision taking in the Kingdom Council of Ministers.

Aruba is objecting to maintaining the seat of the Joint Court of Justice in Willemstad. The island wants the seat in Oranjestad. “We think we have a valid claim to demand the seat. We have been an autonomous country for 23 years, while Curaçao only now becomes a country,” said Croes.

According to the Minister Plenipotentiary, there was an agreement that Justice would become a Kingdom matter, just like Defence. “We want that anchored in the draft law. We didn’t see any of that back in the legislation that the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles want to push through. We want this law to be a true consensus law,” he said.

Croes, during the meeting of the Kingdom Council of Ministers last Friday, requested an internal consultation to discuss the issue in a “tranquil” manner. Croes also asked to reconvene the meeting of the Kingdom Council of Ministers on Monday, which would give Aruba the chance to fly in a member of its cabinet.

The Kingdom Council of Ministers, however, went ahead and approved the draft Consensus Kingdom Law on the Joint Court last Friday. The Netherlands Antilles also voted in favour, because the draft law needed to get to the Second Chamber quickly, so it could be approved after the summer recess. A hold-up of the draft law would have meant a delay of the constitutional process. But, said Croes, “Time should not be an indicator in this process. We need to focus more on reaching consensus.”

Croes said he was “very thankful” for the support of St. Maarten’s Island Council on the issue of the use of Article 43. He said Aruba supported St. Maarten’s efforts to become an autonomous country.

He said the incident during Friday’s meeting again shows the democratic deficit that exists in the Kingdom. “Relations in the Kingdom are supposed to be based on mutual respect and equality. That is not the case,” he said. Friday’s incident has caused a “major dent” in the relations between the Netherlands and Aruba, he added.

Relations were already troubled because of the announcement last month by Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten that there would be an investigation into Aruba’s state of affairs. Members of the First and Second Chamber had asked for this investigation.

Croes said Aruba is not against an investigation, but, he added, the investigation has to be based on facts and not hearsay. “Aruba is an autonomous country. The Netherlands cannot simply impose an investigation without our involvement,” he said. Aruba’s Prime Minister Nel Oduber confirmed in a letter to Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende that in principle Aruba is not objecting to an investigation.

The Minister Plenipotentiary suspected that the Netherlands might be playing a “political game,” as the September 25 elections are approaching in Aruba. “Maybe they want to influence the elections. That is not acceptable, because this is an internal Aruban matter. It leaves a bitter taste.”

Aruba is also objecting to the language being used in the Second Chamber to describe members of the Aruban Government. Some members of Parliament have used words like “thief” and “coward” to describe Prime Minister Oduber and Justice Minister Rudy Croes.

“That shows lack of respect,” said Croes, who wrote a letter to Chair person Gerdi Verbeet of the Second Chamber to address this issue. “I have been told that the letter will be discussed in the next meeting of the Permanent Committee of Antillean and Aruban Affairs,” he said.

Copyright ©2008 The Daily Herald St. Maarten

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m043/croesm043.html

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, Helen Back.  Aruba might be surprised at the response of the UN and what aspects of all this they find interesting.  Do they really want any more attention brought to their coruption issues?  I don't think so.  Sounds like a very empty threat to me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Anna - You're looking very elegant today!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_59561.php
Aruba
Rob Smith Director Radisson
14 Jul, 2009, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

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Rob Smith
ORANGE CITY - Director Rob Smith of Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) resigns. He is about three months to get to the Radisson hotel where the function of chief executive has accepted.

Smith was in 2007 Director of Ahata after he was previously general manager of the Westin hotel and vice-chairman of the owners group of Aruba Hotel Enterprises. In his role as director Ahata he mainly worked on the strengthening of strategic alliances in the toerime sector and the relationship with the government revived. One of his goals he had set two years ago, was the creation of a public-private marketing fund. The latter has never come. He says that under his leadership there has been greater appreciation for the critical role that Ahata position within the industry as the island. He also says as Radisson director again wish to participate in the board of Ahata.

Smith has a transition period of ninety days in which he arranged at the request of the Ahata Board will help to find a successor. There will be both on the island and abroad to candidates are sought.

Good to see you msmarple!   ::MonkeyDance::

YW!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

Good to see Helen Back too!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks, TM......good to see you too!   :2waver:

Hi Anna.  Empty threat indeed.  I say good luck with the UN.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

7/14/2009 Aruba Today Page 3a

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

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Hi, MsMarple!  CBB made this doll for me.  She does really good work and I don't have my files on this computer.  I have a new laptop.  So far, I like it really well especially for watching DVD's.  Trying to get up the nerve to transfer my files from the old PC to the lappie.  All my Natalee files are on the other computer, too. 

And TxMom is doing a good job with the Murder and Crime thread.  It continues to be very popular and get lots of hits.

Good evening monkeys.   I was going through some old stuff on my backup and this was from exactly 3 years ago.  Notice Klaas and San have not changed :-)


b]Top Drawer....[/b]
Glenda. - Has Beth abandoned MB?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=16156#16156

Second Drawer...
Contains the Joe T lawsuit threats..Notice it is overflowing..

Third Drawer...
What I should be working on  :wink:

Bottom Drawer...
There is one for each of you

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Self-edit -   note the Top Drawer.... knew whatever came from Glenda was BS already back then...

Hi, Sleuth.....Glenda is far from top drawer....did I get that right?      ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas & San are consistent, yes indeed.

HI 2NJ - Just because the top drawer had the BS, send drawer the threats, etc :-)

Self- edit - I should not be doing 16 things at once....  "second" drawer...

I was just kidding.......(not really).....::MonkeyHaHa::

It's great to see the goody's you've saved & to see you here.   Love it.

Good night Sleuth and wreck!   ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night TM - thank you for the picture of Natalee.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_59557.php

Aruba
American tourists mad about handling accident
14 Jul, 2009, 14:25 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - An American tourist is satisfied with the Aruban authorities after his eight-year-old son seriously injured in June during a boat accident. The boy sat on an inflatable tube that was pulled by a speedboat. The driver of the boat did not have certificate.

The tourist James Valenti now threatens the U.S. media in order to focus on the case to get. He is not happy about the handling. "We have significant pain and damage on account of the accident. I'm planning on every possible way with the Aruban authorities and police to maintain this contact, "writes the father in a letter to this newspaper. He asks in the letter further questioned whether this type of incident 'here in the papers arrive. "
The Tourist ATA's been contact with father James and is also the PR agency of Aruba in the U.S. of the situation informed.

On June 24 the boy was seriously injured in an accident on the water just before the Riu hotel. He sat on a 'tube ride when it was increased at a submarine of Unique Sports aanknalde. He was doing, the father life-threatening injuries. After four days in the hospital to them, was the victim by ambulance plane to Miami for further treatment.
The driver of the speedboat that pulled the tube, was not in possession of a certificate. He has been fined, police confirmed.

The father asks whether there is an indictment is filed against the driver. This appears to inquiries by the police is not the case.

Well good luck with that.  WE tried to tell him to stay away from Aruba especially with your children.  HE DID NOT listen.  What did he expect from Aruba.  Indictment against the driver?  HaHaHaHa.  If there is no charges when a young lady is murdered on the hell-whole island surely this food cannot expect charges for something as simple as driving a boat and injuring a person.  NOW if the driver disposed of the party that is not different than just injuring the party.  A Joke.  I hope this American tourist will listen the next time. Fool.

Correction.  sorry.

Hi, BlueMoon,

Yes, perhaps the driver could have avoided even a fine if he had taken the child out to sea and dumped him.  I still marvel at how their system works.  If you want to do away with a human being, just take them out to sea and dump them.  No body, no crime, no case.

Now it appears they can run you over with a boat and just nothing is done about it.  I do hope these parents take this to the media.  Unacceptable!  And unfortunately, not surprising in the least.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Let's see:

The eight year old was riding recklessly...

The child's parents should have known better than to let him ride...

There was no "official" police report.  The beach patrol, with "polis" shirts, are not official (every ARUBAN knows that).  ALE cannot be incompetent when there is no report...

The parents are only interested in money....

There are more water accidents in the US.... 

You guessed it Buckeye!! (http://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/7.gif)

I know this was posted in the last thread but thought it was worth a repeat!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.cdnn.info/news/safety/s090710a.html

Another Aruba scuba diving accident kills Texas educator

by LUTHER MONROE @ CDNN - Cyber Diver News Network

July 10, 2009

ORANGESTAD, Aruba — Less than a week after a young novice diver was critically injured in Aruba by a dive boat propeller, another scuba diving accident there killed a Texas educator.

Authorities told CDNN that Michael Freer, 55, died on July 2 while scuba diving during a holiday in Aruba.

Police declined to release details about the fatal scuba diving accident, which is still under investigation.

Previously, CDNN reported about a young woman who was critically injured in the final week of June while scuba diving in Aruba with Mermaid Divers.

A dive boat owned and operated by Mermaid Divers ran over and nearly killed the woman.

In December, a renowned community leader from Canada died in Aruba while scuba diving with Clive Paula of Dive Aruba.

Natural educator

Freer was a chemistry teacher at Deweyville High School and previously worked for many years as an air quality inspector for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality.

He was raised in La Marque on the Texas Gulf Coast and graduated from Lamar University with a master's degree.

Described by family, friends and co-workers as a natural educator, Freer taught industry personnel about the state emissions evaluation while working with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality and was active in the Jason Project in Southeast Texas.

Freer is survived by his wife, Donna Lavine Freer, and daughters Melissa and Ally Freer.
 

I don't recall ANY report about this accident.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

If you didn't see the news clip about the woman from Canada that died, it is posted here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.100

There were also some comments about that one on the page before.  Very sad.

The young woman was run over by the boat on June 26th, no recent word on her condition that I've been able to locate.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1142&offId=0&offDate=2009-06&dateID=2009-06-26

http://awemainta.com/home/

6/27/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page:

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And then Mr. Freer died on July 2nd, Aruban media claims of a heart attack; but I'd like to know how they came to that conclusion so quickly.  He was the one that was brought in and laid out for the ambulance to pick up at the dive shop counter.  They'd better be glad he wasn't my loved one...it pisses me off...and I didn't even know the poor man!  Note: The name of the company right above his body:  Unique Sports Aruba!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10106/8

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Same day there was this tourist injured at Morgan's Island, 24awe reporters were not allowed on the scene; and noted that no police were present for an investigation.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1198&offId=10&offDate=2009-07&dateID=2009-07-02

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How many MORE are there that we never know about?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Val has another clip of the Tattoo up on his you tube site. I'm still wondering if he is working for them. In this one he has a crew uniform on.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Vtijn

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59604.php

Google translation:

Petro China to the table with government

15 Jul, 2009, 13:54 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Representatives of oil company Petro China currently reside on Aruba, Amigoe know from reliable source. According to reports, the delegation to the island to negotiate with the government on the tax structure which will operate the refinery, Petro China should proceed to buy the refinery from Valero.

The first meeting took place yesterday. Previously reported Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) that there are two scenarios in terms of taxation of the refinery. A new owner could, in principle, choose between a tax holiday, payment of BBO, or the payment of income tax, with freedom from BBO.

During an interview yesterday that Valero had Oduber and Petro China still can not agree on the purchase price of the refinery. The Texas oil company is based on a selling price of between 800 million and 1.5 billion dollars. Pain Point long term, the level of investment that a buyer after purchase of the refinery should stop. According Oduber, yesterday afternoon during an interview, that amount is around 1.5 billion dollars. "For the price Valero is important. For us is the amount that the new owner will invest to ensure the continuity of great importance. In that case, the government where possible to best accommodate the sale. "Of Oduber this specifically relates to tax benefits as a safeguard of BBO or a tax holiday for the new owner is still unclear.

Candidates
Exacerbated the current circumstance that there is currently no discount is given by Mexico and Venezuela in the heavy sour crude oil that they produce and which is processed at the Aruba refinery. This is the profit margin much less attractive and has the Valero refinery to close for. "If this continues, the future of the refinery very uncertain", said Oduber.

Nevertheless, in addition to Petro China several candidates for the refinery. Without names, he says that both Swiss and a Russian oil company has shown interest. Also, Petrobras, whose bid earlier this year afketste still in the picture are.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber expects that the advent of more stringent laws in the U.S. with regard to C02 emissions Aruban the refinery attractive for American companies. "That would be evasive here because the environment is not as strict as is", said Oduber.

The Prime Minister says the government is currently negotiating with Valero 'to ensure that a new buyer with two partners to the table, but only with the owner. "Aruba is not the owner of the refinery, but Valero. We just want enough that the new buyer wants to invest in the refinery. "The Prime Minister hopes by August to clear agreements with Valero.

Closing
The announced shutdown of the refinery is today a fact. Around noon, the last production activities. The next time the refinery only repairs, maintenance and energy do.

Last week Amigoe already reported that the company at the conclusion a few tens of millions invested in the refinery. Initially wanted the U.S. Valero spokesman Bill Day confirm nor deny. A day later, however, that the message was true and that in the next three to four months with a maximum of 25 million dollars per month in the refinery is down.

 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59603.php

Google translation:

Aruba

No customs actions

15 Jul, 2009, 13:53 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - Customs Union Sada has this morning received a reply by Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs Nilo Swaen (MEP) on the Ritza Hernandez, Director of Department of Internal investigations into alleged acts of bad customs boss Wiebe Pera. The announced prikacties of the Customs person so provisionally closed.

"We have received a letter stating that the director has spoken with the head of service, the acting head of service and the head of the department and thus concluded that the man acted wrongly. We know that at least two of them disagreed with the conduct of Pera. How can you come to a conclusion, ask Sharina Hernandez, director of customs union Sada, wondered. The union does not agree with the conduct of the director and is now in discussions with their lawyers about possible next steps. "First of all, you can not say that the holding of three calls a survey. In a study you have an inquiry that something performs. A director does not normally operational tasks. And then you also have the fact that the same director in her reported statement that this man has been mercilessly. This is what you do that it to start something wrong did not? "

According to her Minister Swaen not properly informed of the affairs of the customs. "I think he gets it all from only one side should be heard. He gave himself one time to us that he had been director, for him to keep, but this way it will not work, "says Sharina Hernandez.

From the Department of Taxation is still no response available. Swaen Minister confirmed this morning that writing responded to the ultimatum. Sada had stated that action would be if not for nine o'clock this morning a comment came from the Minister.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59602.php

Google translation:

Aruba

New Media sign agreement press CBB

15 Jul, 2009, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)


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Amigoe Director William Da Costa Gomez (left) sign the covenant people. Right Lydia Emmerencia, chairman of Comishon di Bon Boluntad.

ORANGE CITY hh Five new media, including Aruba Amigoe have signed the covenant people of Comishon di Bon Boluntad (CBB) for the upcoming electoral period. The agreement implies a code of conduct based on rules, among other Bordeaux-called agreement of the International Federation Press.

This agreement is the world's most recognized code of conduct for journalists. Besides Amigoe Director William Da Costa Gomez have Mark Benson Denz the news 24 Ora, Toko Wink Laar of Awe Mainta, Giovanni Muller on behalf of ATV and Tito LaclÚ Magic FM press covenant signed. CBB says in contact with several new media and hopes the next few days a number of new endorse it. ôAmigoe supports initiatives such as those journalism to a new level draw. The rules in the agreement are not new for us, but have always been part of our standards, values and working for independent and quality news brengenö says Da Costa Gomez at the signing.

Rules
The agreement stated that the news media should refrain from publishing information from unconfirmed sources on political parties and their candidates. It is not done to essentiÙle to omit and / or false documentation to use in reporting. The published information should be provided in a fair way and not accurate information should be corrected. Subjects in a beating or maliciously reveal, black, unjust accusations, insults and accept funds for the (non) publication of information, should be avoided. New Media have signed the covenant, politicians should not personally attack and have heard each other. Biased information that the public order and security could jeopardize should not be published. Political parties are all without distinction to be treated equally and broadcast it. CBB will ensure that up to 30 days after the election.

Who has a complaint about the coverage in one of the five media which support the covenant, it can submit to the committee. It will investigate the case and the media for interviews questions. If the complaint is well founded, CBB will find the publicity in which both sides of the story are highlighted.

Political parties have also signed an agreement in which they promise fair and ethical manner in their election campaigns. Not all parties have signed. MEP gave our government that has no use for them because there are no sanctions for breach of covenant. Also PDR, PPA and Curpa According CBB finally said no. AVP, RED and MPA have signed the covenant it.

Yesterday's article about this:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59564.php

Customs Union Minister demands explanation
14 Jul, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Customs Union Sada threatening action if they are not for tomorrow morning to get a response from Finance Minister Nilo Swaen about why no disciplinary action be taken against Customs Director Wiebe Perra.

Trade Union Leader Sharina Hernandez: "They say that an investigation has been. Then we know who did the research and who is speaking. "
Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs Nilo Swaen (MEP), the Director of Department of Taxation, Ritza Hernandez turned to check Perra actually the error was gone when he was an American couple Friday of tax. That would have happened when the couple declared their possessions. "That has a deficit in the landskas of 27,000 florin ensured," said union leader Sharina Hernandez. According to her, there are even more cases of bad acts by the customs director. "But we have not yet run."

Tax Director Hernandez concluded that the customs director in the rule of law had acted and that the research for it is closed. The customs union would now Minister Swaen know in exactly which law it was the right thing and to whom this was verified. If the Minister for tomorrow at nine o'clock in the morning a document to the union that he is explaining about the research and who have spoken, then followed the same day a prikactie between one and three o'clock in the afternoon. The union does not exclude that more intensive operations then follow.

According to Hernandez with double standards when customs officials suspected the error to be lost. "Recently, an investigation against a customs officer. He had six weeks of unpaid home until the investigation was finished. Eventually showed that he had not acted wrongly, but he remained six weeks at home and that is also in his file to. Now there is an investigation against the Director, but he could just work, "says Hernandez.

Moreover, the union by letter to the minister indicated that she is considering legal action to the reorganization process to stop. Sada was last Thursday, on the last day of a previously given by their deadline, the Minister Swaen mandated within three weeks with a plan for the incorporation of customs. This is now under Department of Taxation. But the Minister and the Director of Customs are now still on the same path of reform and that the customs union zint not even given the fact that they are not represented in the Steering Committee of the reorganization. "You can not have two processes that are running. We are now working on our plan. Until then the minister to stop the reorganization, "says Hernandez.

In addition, the Minister given three weeks to brief the union leader. "We were already doing time, but our consultant says it will take a month before the plan is finished. Then he with a few workshops for customs officers. All in all is about six weeks. So at the end of August. "
Sada wants the customs service is no longer under Department of Taxation and is directly under the control of the Minister of Finance is. To say this would own the processes within the organization more flexible process.

7/15/2009 Diario

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news3.html

Papiamentu translation:

bad ambiente of trabao in ministerio publico… one trahador of ministerio publico deteni for lands recherche

oranjestad (aan): one trahador of ministerio publico owing to stay deteni door of lands recherche monday.

have one investigación andando on coin cu owing to somenta. here do not deal of ministerio publico but coin of one colega of trabao. have various version.

although the colega is stop upstairs of not owing to haci the acto here tog have another información cu have person owing to mire hacie. esey is thing now have to stay prove.

the trahador female here of surname c have much year trahando at ministerio publico. seems cu the will have one adiccion at game of coin.

esey not nifica cu the is culpable but kizas pesey they owing to aim at on dje. landsrecherche owing to come buske till at leg of trabao.

in ministerio publico self wanted as the asunto here very low self. now is cuestion of sit keep see con all the caso here will bay desaroya. assure the news here owing to schock the coleganan.

in ministerio publico owing to become one lugar very vies for work because casi none person can talk cu another eyden. everybody have fright of confia another cos y the ambiente is extremely bad.

the pg new was one speranza cu cos will change but the also owing to bay behind redashi y till even owing to arrive of send person cas.

the trahador here owing to bay corte y earn his caso but as cu the decision of huez owing to cay past owing to achieve one suspensión his slow. the trahador here is at home cobrando his coin.

pg owing to cuminsa cu bad leg y constantemente the is in exterior. all the time speranza for solucion for crimen at aruba is draw dark at hand of the pg actual.

now ministerio publico have two trahador less. uno suspendi for some month end y another behind trali for suspicion of ladronicia of coin of colega. come across

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/07/14/skype-and-sign-a-petition/

July 14, 2009 08:30 PM EDT

SKYPE and READ A PETITION
If you have not signed Max's petition....here is the website to take a look at it: www.calltoactionnc.com. I was in touch with Max's Father tonight and asked how we could help and he said to get people to sign the petition.


Second, here is a Skype conversation I just had with a GretaWire blogger (we talked about Natalee Holloway and I had to cut the call off when I got a work call but I would love to discuss Natalee Holloway some more.)

(The conversation turns to Natalee at around 5:45)

Greta says she had four calls in the last week.  I wonder if they were just people wanting information or if something new has been told to her?  At least she will know there are plenty of folks who still want answers.

Yes, Anna, that peaked my interest, as well.  Too bad the call was interrupted. 

TxMom,

Thanks for all those articles.  I am very interested in all of them but some of those translations, well, it's English but nothing I can understand.

Maybe more coffee will help.  You do an excellent job of presenting the material for all of us.

Seems far too many diving/boating accidents for such a short time span.  We used to have a link to a government site that listed all Americans who died on foreign soil from any cause but I don't have the link on this computer and may not have saved it anywhere.  Seems like it was a State Dept site.  But I don't know how far behind in time it runs.  Those kind of things can be very slow.

Tourism is just going to get worse and worse as people become more fearful of spending money and fewer can afford to travel so far.  If they don't find a buyer for the refinery, it is the double whammy that will really inflict the greatest damage to the Aruban economy.

At least the legitimate economy.  I believe by now we all know they have a two-tiered system.  The sleaze factor is likely to carry on as usual.

Lots going on but then Aruba has always been a little anthill of activity, some legal and some not so much so.

Exactly, Buckeye.  And we wouldn't want to do one of those nasty drug and alcohol screenings of the driver, now would we?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Their parliament probably hasn't gotten around to enacting any laws against boating under the influence anyway.  They have been very busy, ya know.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have to get busy around here but I do hope all Monkeys have a wondrful day.

Considering the forum is empty at the moment and ... considering strong caffeinated Tim Horton's coffee is now history in Tamikosmom's words ... dancing is where it is at to clear those early morning cobwebs.

My almost eight year old granddaughter is dancing along with me.  My nine year old grandson rolled his eyes ... shook his head and ... left the room.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day all!

Janet

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Credit: Bearlyhere

A Gratefulness - Light A Candle section has been created in the forum's Monkey Lounge where threads have been dedicated to missing persons and others can be created by a member for special intentions.

Since it's been quiet, I thought it was a good time to mention it.

Natalee's thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.  Nice to have a thread in the Monkey's lounge.

DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER TONIGHT!

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A REMINDER!

Joran's official declarations establish the May 29, 2005 chain of events and ... the chain of events imply that Paulus left the casino part way through the poker tournament ... leaving Joran at the poker table.  Joran then went to the black jack table following the poker tournament and ... Natalee Holloway enter the scenario a short time later.

If the casino video captures Paulus conversing with Natalee at the black jack table ... the implication is that Joran is covering for wrongdoing by his Father.  He lied in his declaration in regards to what time Paulus left the casino.

Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran deem it necessary in his declaration to cover the truth regarding a "Paulus/Natalee connection".  Why did Paulus deem it necessary in his declaration to cover the truth regarding his encounter with Natalee?

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the "Blackjack" table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl "Natalee" that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier. We had agreed that he would call me after the tournament, in order for me to come and pick him up. He did indeed call me and at approximately 23.00 hour I picked him up near the Mc Donalds in Palm Beach with my red Suzuki. We drove home and I went to bed.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Septermber 20, 2005

COSBY:  Beth, I know you‘ve actually been to the casino, right?  And Michael Posner threatened you, is that correct? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Well, there was a phone call made.  And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Dana Pretzer Show - December 14, 2006

DANA PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSEY MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/

All four Grandkids just go back from a day sailing with Aunt and Uncle.  They are sunburned, dirty, tired and grouchy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
7:15 PM PT

Well at least they're not hungry too!  ::MonkeyWink::

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Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

You wanna bet!

Papa is flipping pancakes and ... cooking bacon in the microwave at this very moment.

Two of the kids have finished showering and ... are in their PJ's.  They are in a a much happier frame of mind.  I hope the other two emerge from their bath/shower likewise.

I purchased the DVD "Bolt" yesterday and promised them this morning that they could see it tonight.  However ... I just told them them all that their rotten moods dictated that an early night was where it was at and ... they could forget the movie.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the abrupt change in attitudes has something to do with trying to change Mama's mind.  It will probably work.  I am a wuss.

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Good Night Texasmom and ... thanks for "laughing girl".  I really needed her.

Janet 

Pancakes!  Bacon!  Now I'm hungry too!   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

mY DAUGHTER TOLD ME HER FREIND'S FAMILY IS GOING TO ARUBA NEXT WEEK FOR VACATION....I STARTED FREAKIN' OUT!!!!sHE'S "ONLY BLONDE BLUE EYED & 16 YRS OLD!!" ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Not a good choice for a vacation spot for sure IMO MonkeyMunk!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

A REMINDER

A STEPFATHER’S FRUSTRATION

LOVING NATALEE – Beth Holloway

Page 227:  Jug has supported me through this entire nightmare.  And we have done everything we can.

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'Scarborough Country' – July 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

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'Scarborough Country' - July 6, 2005

GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  My worst nightmare, that these individuals will be let—will walk and we will still not have any answers. 

SAVIDGE:  You think that is a possibility? 

TWITTY:  It's a possibility.

And that scares me, too, because these three kids are predators.  If they let them walk on this island after what Beth and I know, there's a lot of information that we have that we cannot share, because it would jeopardize the investigation.  But if they let them walk, we can share it.  And it would be devastating.

The United States, the world will be amazed
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485048/

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On the Record w/ Greta - September 28, 2005

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S STEPFATHER: I have a real problem with the prosecutor. Either she’s hiding something down there, or she doesn’t have any backbone.

VAN SUSTEREN: Which do you think it is?

TWITTY: I don’t know. I really don’t. I mean, I cannot understand why she can’t communicate with the family, I can’t understand why, you know, she doesn’t take and go back to the beginning and talk to the people that know the answers. There’s a lot of people there that first night. You know, why they didn’t take my statement until 33 days after? Why she will not admit — and this was one of the things we got in a heated conversation abut, in my meeting with her on August the 28 — why she will not admit she made a mistake in not arresting those boys the night after we brought them to them on a silver platter and let them go for nine days. Her deal was, We’re going to let them go. We’re going to try to, you know, be like catching a mouse in a trap. We’re going to track them. They got nothing. I mean, you know, they were going to tape their phones. They were going to do this. They were going to — they got nothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

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'Scarborough Country' - August 12, 2005

JUG TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:   I don‘t want the Aruban government to give me a penny.  All I want to do is, I want to find Natalee and I want to go home.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/

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On the Record w/ Greta – July 6, 2005

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: We've tried. I've tried every tactic. I think I've made every policeman, every person working on the case here, you know, mad. But you know, what I have to do as a stepfather to try to get Natalee back. The one thing that everybody asks me, why did we retain an attorney? Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world. And at that time — we know a lot now that we can't say. But at that time, the world will be absolutely shocked at what we know now. And that's why it was so devastating yesterday when they let those two boys go.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html

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NANCY GRACE - October 4, 2005

GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

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NANCY GRACE – October 4, 2005

JUG TWITTY:  The reason there`s no evidence was because the people didn`t do the right thing in the beginning. And I want the prosecutor or somebody to step up and say, Look, we made a mistake. We didn`t arrest them the second day, like we should have. We let them go for nine days. We gave them a chance to clean the car. We gave them a chance to hide everything, to set up everything, to set up their stories, point the fingers at the two black security guards.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

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'Scarborough Country' – August 12, 2005
 
GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I think, Joe, they need to go back to the beginning and question the people that were with me that night. We have already got conflicting stories now.

People have changed their statements from the very first night. Those people that were with me that night, had they taken our statements at least a week after it happened, we would have already had the answer. But when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/

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NANCY GRACE – October 3, 2005

J GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  First he looked at the picture and I said, "Don`t say you don`t know her, because we have eye witnesses who saw you get in this car with her," and he goes, "Yeah, yeah, I know who she is."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE - February 15, 2008

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: Well, Holly, I`ll tell you, it`s very disappointing. But it doesn`t surprise me. I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick.

But, yes, hey I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to -- you know, to blow up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


On the Record w/ Greta - September 28, 2005

I believe that the people there the first night, like myself, could give you answers as to what Joran said, what his dad said, what happened, all this kind of stuff.

So my attorney asked that we come back to the United States, take these three people, go to a federal judge, have them sworn in, and we have a federal judge here that was kind enough to help us bring these three friends in that were there that night and take their sworn statements. And of course, my attorney in Birmingham is calling down there, asking Karin Janssen, What exactly do you want? She won’t even return his phone calls. I mean, it’s pitiful. It’s horrible.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

Neighbour has invited my grandkids over for a swim in her beautiful pool.  However ... there is a method in her madness.  I think a game of Scrabble and an ice tea is where it is at as we watch the kids.

The two oldest (9/11) are at this moment aruing over one bathing suit.  I gotta go and ... knock their heads together.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good afternoon all!

Later, Janet
2:40 PM PT

Thanks for putting this together Janet ::MonkeyWink::

Jossy knows alot more of what the `people in the casino` stated to ALE too if you ask me, especially the casino employees(Croupiers).

I also think Jossy knows a little more but due to him having to live on that island and survive there he can only do so much.  I also think Jossy's son Eduardo knows a little more too and needs to be asked what was going on on that boat and what did ALE recover from the ocean when no one was looking.  JMO

I guess you are familiar with my take on that issue Blue Moon,

Kyle is not a liar and having seen all the pics that have been circulating on the internet I just don`t believe that were the remains of Natalee.

Besides that I would consider any answers from Eduardo Mansur as not reliable.

SNIP:


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Thanks for putting this together Janet ::MonkeyWink::

Jossy knows alot more of what the `people in the casino` stated to ALE too if you ask me, especially the casino employees(Croupiers).

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I also think Jossy knows a little more but due to him having to live on that island and survive there he can only do so much.  I also think Jossy's son Eduardo knows a little more too and needs to be asked what was going on on that boat and what did ALE recover from the ocean when no one was looking.  JMO
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I guess you are familiar with my take on that issue Blue Moon,

Kyle is not a liar and having seen all the pics that have been circulating on the internet I just don`t believe that were the remains of Natalee.

Besides that I would consider any answers from Eduardo Mansur as not reliable.

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Oh Bastibro do not put words in my mouth.  You and others STILL do not get it.  I DID NOT say I believe Natalee was in that cage (very possible though).  What I AM saying is WE WILL NEVER know what was in that cage because they were allowed (ALE) full unrestricted access to that cage to remove "whatever" was in it without any objections from anyone on that ship.   Face it, that IS what Kyle said and HE has NOT returned to dispute those words.  The pictures clearly show large plastic bags with "evidence" in it being removed.  Now whether it was the remains of Natalee or the remains of whoever WE will never know because ALE was allowed to do it without ANY objections from ANYONE.  Do you get my drift now.  You are entitled to your opinion BUT so am I and Kyle cannot dispute his own words.

Thanks for putting this together Janet ::MonkeyWink::

Jossy knows alot more of what the `people in the casino` stated to ALE too if you ask me, especially the casino employees(Croupiers).

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I also think Jossy knows a little more but due to him having to live on that island and survive there he can only do so much.  I also think Jossy's son Eduardo knows a little more too and needs to be asked what was going on on that boat and what did ALE recover from the ocean when no one was looking.  JMO
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I guess you are familiar with my take on that issue Blue Moon,

Kyle is not a liar and having seen all the pics that have been circulating on the internet I just don`t believe that were the remains of Natalee.

Besides that I would consider any answers from Eduardo Mansur as not reliable.

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Oh Bastibro do not put words in my mouth.  You and others STILL do not get it.  I DID NOT say I believe Natalee was in that cage (very possible though).  What I AM saying is WE WILL NEVER know what was in that cage because they were allowed (ALE) full unrestricted access to that cage to remove "whatever" was in it without any objections from anyone on that ship.   Face it, that IS what Kyle said and HE has NOT returned to dispute those words.  The pictures clearly show large plastic bags with "evidence" in it being removed.  Now whether it was the remains of Natalee or the remains of whoever WE will never know because ALE was allowed to do it without ANY objections from ANYONE.  Do you get my drift now.  You are entitled to your opinion BUT so am I and Kyle cannot dispute his own words.
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Sorry (I really messed that one up--just did not want such a big quote stack):


Oh Bastibro do not put words in my mouth.  You and others STILL do not get it.  I DID NOT say I believe Natalee was in that cage (very possible though).  What I AM saying is WE WILL NEVER know what was in that cage because they were allowed (ALE) full unrestricted access to that cage to remove "whatever" was in it without any objections from anyone on that ship.   Face it, that IS what Kyle said and HE has NOT returned to dispute those words.  The pictures clearly show large plastic bags with "evidence" in it being removed.  Now whether it was the remains of Natalee or the remains of whoever WE will never know because ALE was allowed to do it without ANY objections from ANYONE.  Do you get my drift now.  You are entitled to your opinion BUT so am I and Kyle cannot dispute his own words.

Bastibro


Kyle Kingman:

Maybe Kyle is haunted, but maybe not for the reason he thought he might be when he said those words.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If it wasn't her, I think someone would have definitely made sure we knew WHO IT WAS by now.

JMO

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Central Bank: government financial position deteriorates

17 Jul, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

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Oranjestad - Aruba, was last year in the plus because of the money that the Netherlands fell from the proceeds of the Plant Hotel. For this year it looks less rosy, as late as the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) yesterday to know during the presentation of the Annual Report 2008.

President Jane Semeleer says that Aruba continues a period which are economically, financially and socially very difficult. "Although the situation is not at the level of 1984 and 1985, the economic activity continued to decline due to further increasing unemployment."

The economic downturn has also its influence on public finances. In the first five months of this year revenues were further reduced by 4.4 percent. The government got to within less income tax, import tax, foreign exchange commissions and BBO. CBA estimates that financial position of the government in the coming months and further increases to finance short around 130 million florin. That is almost three times higher than the government has budgeted. The budget of 2009, the government has a deficit of 47.3 million to arrive.

The Bank has included in its calculation does not take into account non-recurring income from the government last year as is the case in the Plant funds. After Aruba and the Netherlands after years finally reached an agreement, Aruba last year was 223.3 million florin paid. It closed the year compares favorably with a surplus of 411 million florin in contrast to 2007 when there is a shortage of 38 million florin.
The surplus on the capital and financial account of the rest of the economy took it of 221.5 million florin or 4.8 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) to of 591, 9 million florin or 12.1 percent of GDP .

The balance of payments last year showed a record surplus of 554.1 million florin which the level of international reserves has risen to 1.27 billion florin.

In the first quarter of this year's balance of payments surplus of 164.5 million florin. This despite the declining revenues from tourism of 10.6 percent.

Government into the red
Plant the money has to ensure reduction of public debt of 89.1 million florin to a total of 2047 million florin in 2008. The debt ratio declined from 46.6 percent of GDP this to 42 percent of GDP. When the Plant-money was not paid, then the government faced a funding gap of 41 million florin. The Central Bank also calls for this year's costs to handle. That is for the staff last year did pretty well, they were just (2.9 percent) below the maximum growth rate of 3 percent as recommended by the National Committee on Public Finance, NCPF. For this year CBA, however, that the staff are above 3.8 percent. The expenditure on goods and services continued to increase. Last year they came over (4.5 percent) above the limit of 2 percent as the committee recommended. For this year, the Bank again an increase of 4 percent.

While on the other hand, the government lags behind in investment. Last year with only 1.6 percent of GDP while the NCPF a minimum of 2 percent recommended for a healthy economy. This year that falls to 1.1 percent of GDP, as expected the Central Bank.
 

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Eugene Lampe sentenced to 18 years in prison

17 Jul, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

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Eugene Lampe after the verdict by an agent of CEA from the courthouse led.

ORANGE CITY - Eugene Lampe is guilty of triple murder and sentenced to eighteen unconditional imprisonment, less pre-trial detention. The court believes that this society has taken no action to cases Lampe to capture in a system of compulsory care, they must bear the consequences. "

The judge said the murder of father Juan (60), mother Ina (57) and brother Edvard (30) "a terrible family tragedy." Eugene Lampe family would be "a way to contain massacred" and during the proceedings have little emotion or remorse shown. He would only have been busy with their own problems. " However, the Court in its ruling against the requirement for life of the public prosecution. Lampe is the right partly responsible for his acts' and 'strongly insanity. Life to the partial aspect of accountability is not served, according to the court. He notes the report of the Pieter Baan Centrum on Lampe, indicating that this type of cases in the Netherlands in qualifying for TBS forcing nursing. "The Aruban law does not TBS scheme," said the judge. Finding a facility in another part of the Kingdom, where the case may be detention for treatment, he has the hand.

Partly responsible
Faced with a manageable stare Lampe for themselves from which the verdict was interpreted by an interpreter, gave the right to come along with the first observation and study of the Pieter Baan Centrum (PBC) on Lampe. In this report Lampe held partly responsible for these murders. He would not have bad influence of so-called command hallucinations. But would he be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and dangerous to his environment. Whether he was psychotic when he killed his parents and brother in April last year, can not be proven.

'Enough Time'
In February, the findings of the PBC in an intermediate sentence again questioned. The judge wanted to clarify more on the conclusion of the PBC that the suspect is not under the influence of so-called command hallucinations wrong. Moreover, the court wanted to hear from the experts or delusions images at the suspect when he knew he was under legal right. Finally, the PBC should answer the question whether 'real thoughts' in the suspect played a role in the conduct of his act. Ultimately, the court still supports the findings of the PBC. He had Lampe between the killings by enough time for reflection and to understand its actions. The claim of Lampe's lawyer, Chris Lejuez, that his client was rudderless during the murders and complete insanity should be declared so it was swept from the table.

Lampe currently resides in a separate section of the KIA prison and gets regular visits from his psychiatrist, Van Gaalen. Also, he administered medication. It is expected that during this Lampe's continued stay in prison. Eugene Lampe may conduct, after serving 12 years or two-thirds of his sentence, to be released.

Eighteen years for killing 3 people (his parents no less)?  Why am I not surprised? Guess this explains why Joran was let go and not being persued---He only murdered 1 person and it was an American no less.  Sick. Sick. Sick.

thanks TM for always posting these.  I always read them and nothing surprises me anymore.

YW Blue Moon, and you're right the more we read...the more we understand.

This was a sick and heinous crime...iirc he even laid in wait for the final victim!  He had his wits about him enough to try to burn the house down to cover it up too!  Wonder if anybody in Aruba cares that he'll be back on the streets; and more than likely back on drugs in less than twelve years (considering time served).
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Why?

bastibro ... are you a believer in the enemy's words that nothing Natalee Holloway case related was found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman is of the opinion that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been located and ... John Silvetti afforded the Aruban's sole custody.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt.  I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric.

HOWEVER ...

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains

Thanks Janet and TM.  I was skeered being here by myself.  THEY still do not get it do they?

Anyone hear from BillB lately?  Haven't seen him online lately.

I wished I had saved all your posts - they'd make a funny book.

No, I haven't seen billb in quite a while.  The last time he was here, he was taking his daughter to her college orientation day the next day.  I've wondered if maybe the wrong guy was checking her out or said the wrong thing, and he's doing 10-20 for his reaction.  I told him to give them "the eye" if any of them looked at her wrong; but she is his baby you know.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Hopefully he's just busy with other things, but I miss him.

 

Hat, see you up there.  Klaas was just saying the other day she hadn't seen you in a while.

Good to see you Hat!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

7/17/2009 Bondia  Page A24

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Wish I could give him a swift kick where it counts, bet he wouldn't be grinning ear to ear then!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I thought he was on another island.  Is he still in same position?

Look at Van der Straten's head in comparision to the others in the photo. ::MonkeyHaHa::

He went to Bonaire, but he's baaaaack.

http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1969

Police Chief, change of command     
Written by amigoe.com     
Monday, 07 July 2008 16:20 
www.sxmislandtime.com
KRALENDIJK – the former chief of police Jan van Straten had a list of recommendations for his successor Johan Schagen at the Police Corps Bonaire change of command yesterday.

Communication, towards the people as well as internally; confidence in the members of the corps and the staff members is very important. “Conduct administrative prevention to protect administrators of the island against people that come from the Netherlands and do not wait till the OM take actions.”

“Take clear and quick decisions, definitely in the sphere of integrity. Work the existing projects further out, like the complaints department. Keep the Bonerian corps and Bonerian colleagues as is. Bonaire is a unique island, keep it as such.”

Van der Straten wished Schagen a lot of success.

Van der Straten left the corps of Bonaire in January, after two years. The local head of police, Lt. Governor Herbert Domacassé and Justice-minister David Dick (PAR) thanked him for his method of managing the corps. The media criticized the arrival of Jan one or two months before he actually arrived, and now that he is leaving, nobody wants him to leave, said Dick.

The new chief of police, Johan Schagen is from the Netherlands and says that he came to Bonaire, because together with his family, he has been traveling the world with a backpack. “That’s how we get to know the world and other cultures.

When the opportunity to become the chief of police in Bonaire presented itself, it was not just a challenge to work on an island within the Kingdom, but also true interest in another culture.

I also prefer a smaller corps. To me that is a challenge, because a small corps is very conveniently arranged. Everybody in that corps is important. I am a person that loves working together and transparency.

I’m going to work together with everybody and with the media, I’ll take up the challenge to give very good information in a transparent manner and in the interest of the people of Bonaire.”

POLITICAL REALITY

It is also a political reality that we are going to be a BES-corps. We can’t wait six months for that; we will have to take the first steps, which means that we need to start from the beginning. I don’t know yet how, but it must become a corps, in which a citizen in St. Eustatius and Saba is as important as one in Bonaire.”

The minister of Justice describes Schagen as a person with a good resume, with experience in several departments and the union, and he is not old.

Schagen goes to the other islands next week and will establish in Bonaire with his family effective August 1. The new chief of police Johan Schagen (l) next to the former chief of police Jan van der Straten.

PHOTO: The new chief of police Johan Schagen (l) next to the former chief of police Jan van der Straten

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.1200

Buckeye
From this article, I think he may be "press" too.  Diario?

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

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 ::MonkeyNoNo::


7/15/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

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Papiamentu translation:

is break kaak (jaw) of preso in kia

yesterday nightfall one action serious owing to surgi on territory of kia hour cu the presonan owing to cuminsa play one game of futbol. chris williams child of the conocido micheal williams owing to wordo beat formalmente till cu his kaak (jaw) owing to wordo break y have to owing to wordo transporta for hospital. all cos is indica cu the gang of dakota did take vengasa y owing to try silencia chris williams cu is being see of owing to reda other acolyte of the gang.

7/15/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

controlador of casino cu owing to estafa person deteni
 
actualmente have one controlador of casino deteni, relaciona cu denuncia cu owing to being haci contra his person of estafa, esta was take coin of several person y organisacion, because past owing to tell cu the organisando biahe for panama. one organisacion of baseball owing to bay entregu’e the suma of 25 thousand guilder, but because; not owing to hay’e at home, the organisacion here owing to scapa of lose his 25 thousand guilder. the person here, d.b. self is march tell of is guarda-espalda of first minister nel oduber y because; such the self is tell of have permission for carga arm of candela. kico of verdad have in this, t’e investigacion will have to conduci n’esaki. yesterday huez comisario owing to prolonga detencion of d.b.

7/15/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

of acuerdo cu relato annual corte of husticia at aruba owing to deal more caso hudicial cu another islands of antiyas
 
the various tribunalnan at all cu owing to estafa person deteni the 5 islands of antilles y aruba year ago owing to deal the overall formidabel of 27.745 caso on all territory of husticia for of civil till criminal till casonan fiscal y casonan of ámbtenaar. one detaye interesting, year ago had prácticamente more cu one caso for day of casonan of ámbtenaar for one overall of 378 caso of cualnan the majority (207) did take lugar at aruba (!) sigi for còrsow cu 153 caso. at saba not had none casi of ámbtenaar cu owing to take away gobierno fast. the variedad of casonan cu corte is deal all year is many diversificá, because majority of person is identificá corte cu casonan penal cu not necesariamente was in majority. casonan penal year ago 1640 on all the 6 islands, while cu casonan of violacion of regulation had 14.495. interesting t’e mature cu year ago had 338 caso of mula cu owing to stay grab cu drugs y have to owing to bay fast huez y all the casonan here (338) was at corsow. casonan lar was 1413 on all 6 island cu majority of they at aruba (1086). in caso all categoria of caso can notice one aumento cu excepcion of casonan of bancarota cu at aruba was 26 two year behind another, but at corsow they owing to descend of 32 for 14 caso.

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Papiamentu translation:

witness is denuncia hombernan cu owing to ranca child muher bay cune in car

tuesday nightfall 3.15, one person is calling keep of police y is count ; police kico past owing to see. the is tell police cu past owing to see one child muher of more or less 16 year color dark, wordo grab for one man y lastra hinca in one car hyunday color blao model old. the witness is tell cu in the car had one man color dark sit behind stuur. after cu they owing to hinca the child muher in car, they owing to core bay cu velocidad high in nijhoffstraat, direccion east. n’e cruzada nijhoffstraat/ juana dead, the car owing to lora bay direccion panort. according informacion cu the witness owing to give the child was dress at cora. the witness is tell cu locual cu owing to happen was fast of one cas at weg kustbatterij. police owing to bay n’e cas y owing to beat, but none person not owing to contesta. also police owing to core busca all caminda in becindario, but not owing to come across cu nothing.

Yes, he's from Diario...anybody know his name?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10434/5/

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Considering Debbie's personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway as well as her connection with John Silvetti ... I believe the following word in her posts.

When Kyle Kingsman's posts are considered regarding John Silvetti affording the enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains ... inquiring minds want to know why Dave Holloway and Tim Miller are working together with Silvetti in the raising of funds for the purpose of investigating remaining targets.

Janet

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Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »

Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027#msg845027

A REMINDER!


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007

Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something.  As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...  

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

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THE VISUAL DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  his occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.  I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true ...

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


THE RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

In December, 2008 ... SS got it!!  What/who changed her position?

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »

I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/07/16/afx6663038.html

Thomson Reuters
Valero completes Aruba refinery shutdown
07.16.09, 10:57 AM EDT
 

NEW YORK, July 16 (Reuters) - Valero Energy Corp said on Thursday it had completed the process of shutting down its entire 275,000-barrel-per-day refinery in Aruba for economic reasons.

Bill Day, a company spokesman, also told Reuters in an email that the top U.S. refiner would mull a possible restart of the plant after it reevaluates economic conditions in about two to three months.

I remember asking SS that same question when she was still posting here.
She said that she never believed it was Natalee in the cage and never said that she did.
I knew she had said otherwise on several occasions.

What/Who is the influence that persuaded SS to backtrack and once again embrace CAPS and his following as well as John Silvetti?

In all my efforts in the accumulating and compiling of info regarding the Persistence undertaking ... this piece of the puzzle will not fit.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »

Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184

Magnolia

I tend to believe that there is a master of deception with influence who has convinced our Prodical Monkeys that justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family must take a backseat.  Is it John Silvetti that is being protected?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I cannot figure out why SS saw the light but ... returned to to dark.

Janet

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #774 on: November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PM »

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.

Thanks SS.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556243#msg556243


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »

Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257

SS even had CAPS' role as a distrator in the Persistence saga all figured out.  This woman had an amazing ability to perfectly comprehended the entire picture almost immediately following the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 

Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

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bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #1235 on: June 28, 2009, 02:26:05 PM »

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg855695#msg855695

I will carry on if this missing piece of the puzzle is not revealed ... however the emerging picture is not complete.

Help please!

Janet

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DECEMBER 6, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »

I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


JANUARY 26, 2009

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »

I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery ....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440

Mods ... please edit above post

JANUARY 26, 2008 S/B 2009

Thanks

Janet

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Google translation:

Central Bank tightened control finance

18 Jul, 2009, 13:38 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - While the impact of the global crisis in the financial sector here is still limited, the Centrale Bank Aruba (CBA) seek tighter control for an honest and stable financial system. If the Bank wants to expand its oversight to other sectors for domestic and foreign investment to better protection.

Recently, the Government has the green light to on (electronic) stock exchanges to monitor. It now needs only to be regulated by law. This year, CBA also make proposals for the regulation of collective investment funds and investment advisers.

The Bank has its policy for the admission of further credit tightening. This to the solvency of the banking authorities. The main condition is that only strong institutions with a solid reputation in the "fully consolidated" supervision, be admitted as a major shareholder of a credit institution established in Aruba.

To protect the smaller, local investors, investment institutions now finally required investment amounts to 1 million florin to report. Until then was that amount at 100,000 florin. CBA advocated for years for the construction of this amount, which the law on credit institutions (LTK) for should be adjusted. Early this year, this is up to date with the Stanford scandal. Stanford office in Aruba was not under the control of the Central Bank to a formal representation of the Antiqua-based investment bank. CBA said to have been concerned about the practices of this establishment. Because Stanford Aruba in discussions with the Bank said no deposits of a tonne florin to accept the Bank could do little. Later it became known that the victims often in Aruba for the 100,000 florin had invested. The lawyer for a group of victims, however, that the Bank has dropped a stitch in the surveillance and it would also make them liable.

Money Laundering
On February 5, three important laws changed, so notify the Bank Thursday during the presentations of its figures. As previously mentioned the law on credit institutions (LTK), but also the insurance supervision law (LTV) and of monitoring money transaction companies (LTG). The changes consist primarily of the inclusion of new articles that CBA "unless the explicit power" to get the money laundering and financing of terrorism. It can also now oppose the appointment of an external auditor and the Bank may impose administrative sanctions extend to infringement of the law LTK and LTV.
On the same date was also the law overseeing the trust offices of power. CBA is therefore the authority to grant permits trust offices.

Interest
As announced earlier this year wants CBA in respect of monetary policy to a restrictive policy on the quantitative growth of loans to more market-oriented monetary policy. The market-oriented policy focuses more on cash reserves and liquidity requirements for banks. The Bank will re-deposit certificates to affect liquidity. With such flexible instruments hopes the Bank more quickly to developments in the financial sector and the economy in total to respond.

Bank President Jane Semeleer said that CBA is aware that there are many questions and concerns about interest rates that consumers will be charged. At present, the Bank lacks sufficient tools to make an effective influence on exercise, says Semeleer. This is the limited number of banks and high operating costs, given that the market is relatively small. CBA said a "gradual decline in the rate package" to see. But on other hand, the interest on deposits also declined, the President of the Central Bank of Aruba.

Aruba
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Google translation:

Central Bank gold sales yet

18 Jul, 2009, 13:35 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The Central Bank Aruba (CBA) is a part of its gold reserve sales. The sale of gold produced a loss of 55 million florin, but according to bank president Jane Semeleer the losses within the limits that the Bank remained almost immediately bought back gold.

This ensured that the revaluation reserve of CBA fell, to 100 million florin. The price of gold, as emphasized Semeleer, remained the same and the size of the gold reserve.

The Central Bank has put an end to the losses of recent years that they suffered by the controversial gold dollar contract option in the nineties by the government-Eman was completed. There was a fixed price of 376 dollars per troy ounce, so that in a further fall in gold price, the Bank would suffer no loss. It was also agreed that if the gold price would increase the profit to the banker, now Barclays Capital Bank went. The gold price rose in recent years, however strong, to nearly double, making millions of CBA misliep fl.
CBA, in its 2007 annual report that it intends to include the contract and the debt of almost 90 million florin in cash or by solving some of the gold to sell. The latter is done, despite the government had a different view direction. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) and Finance Minister Nilo Swaen revealed last July that Aruba has "absolutely" no intention to sell the gold. Swaen said that the decision is the responsibility of CBA.

The Central Bank closed last year, still with a profit of 14, 4 million florin. That was 2 million florin lower than in 2007. According to the Bank was that the decrease in the total gross revenue to 29.2 million florin. This was mainly due to a decline in interest rates on international money and capital markets. CBA's balance sheet was further dramatically increased by 49.8 percent to 1.276 billion florin. This growth was mainly due to the increase in foreign reserve and the revaluation of gold reserves.


 

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Google translation:

Aruba

Waste Parkietenbos started

18 Jul, 2009, 13:32 (GMT -04:00)

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Environment Minister Booshi Weaver looks on while a little girl the ceremonial button during the official commissioning of the waste treatment plant in Parkietenbos.
ORANGE CITY - The new waste treatment plant at yesterday afternoon Parkietenbos is officially put into service. In the presence of the State President, Parliament and MEP-MEP-hundred supporters at the open bar did Serlimar Director Patricio Nicholas, Mark Brown, CEO of contractor Bouldin & Lawson and Minister of Environment Booshi Wever (MEP) speeches. A speech by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber was also planned, but the prime minister was prevented. Brown indicated that Aruba world leadership with the largest waste treatment facility of its kind. "Meanwhile, three other islands in our Wastewater Away reported for the same plant, but which are now three years behind you."

'Fuel'
Minister Booshi Wever in turn took the opportunity to campaign by the opposition and related media and organizations to accuse the project systematically worked against them. The pressure him personally several times almost to have moved in the towel to throw. "But they saw that their hatred and bad intentions is the fuel for us to continue this project and eventually establish themselves," said the minister, who, despite that the party was bitter sounded during his speech. Weaver apologized on behalf of the government to the people of Simeon Antonio, Barcadera and Mahuma for all years in which you have lived unhealthy conditions. " "But without the dump Aruba had not known about rapid economic development." Wever said that with Bouldin & Lawson and possibly new partners looking to expand the facilities and the possible production of alternative fuels and building materials from the fluff that the waste is created. He also promised the residents that "the brown-gray hills in the area will make place for grass hills and the coast near Barcadera back clean. In the same breath he said that the port "will soon come and that this environment will be very important for the economy of the island. After the speeches, there were plenty of snacks and beer for all guests and, from behind a cordon, looking at the waste treatment plant. In addition to the dump, the path of Barcadera off and gave the band Tsunami and Le Groove performances until the evening ten hours.

Controversial
The dump project from the beginning been plagued by delays, lawsuits and controversy. The procurement project at Bouldin & Lawson was controversial. Critics and opposition parties found it was very remarkable that B & L during the initial tender for the project as worst and eventually qualified as a 'best' from the bus came. In December last year, the political party in possession of RED material evidence to suggest that Minister Wever, in connection with the dump project, may have committed criminal offenses. The Public Ministry was asked to start a criminal investigation and let them know in any case the material first analyze and then decide whether an investigation is needed. During the construction of the project ran the wire between B & L and subcontractor Icon. B & L would be the contract with Icon Icon unjustified early termination and have now more than eight tonnes pay overdue contract money to the local contractor. B & L does not agree and has brought an appeal, the decision on July 22 is.

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Google translation:

Aruba

Nuisance chollers

18 Jul, 2009, 13:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Thursday police had their hands full with many tramps who are in or around the center of the city misdroegen. Thus, half naked choller, at a jeweler in the Henry Street on the sidewalk to snore. Agents roused the sleeper and then drove him away. At Orange City Laundry, the renowned choller Amaya 'annoying to do it' were. Amaya was however that the police came out and chose the hazenpad, before the gendarme's could be. Agents searched some in the neighborhood, but found her no more. Beauty made even more reports of theft by a stray. The owner told officers that a stray inside was stepped on, some stuff away and had gegrist quickly went out the door. Declaration was the owner does not do 'because the chollers always do. " The parliament building was the same morning a drunk tramp his intoxication to sleep. Agents have taken him to the office, where he died in a cell able to sleep more difficult and no one could fall. In the near Tanki Leendert agents saw a tramp with a television run. The TV Saturday 'wrapped in clothing but was clearly identifiable. The choller, the agents quickly in the hole and let the TV and then ran off. The police have seized the television and the agency put down North. The owner may opt out of this report to the unit to retrieve.

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Aruba

'Positive and decisive "

18 Jul, 2009, 13:27 (GMT -04:00)


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Cherry Fresh MEP candidate John Francis Jacobs behind his desk at the Aruba Tourism Authority.


ORANGE CITY - "I am a leader." Fully self-confidence and enthusiasm John Francis Jacobs is credited to the policy. Jacobs, who works at the Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), where he is mainly involved in promotion and marketing, is now on the kieslijst of MEP. With forty years experience as a musician and more than sixteen years in the toerismevak think Jacobs' many to contribute. His reputation in the community will help him in his campaign.

by Alex Laclé

"I wanted years ago on the kieslijst but that was not caused by personal circumstances. I was not ready. "Jacobs is already small to involved in politics. "Actually, now I have my whole life in politics. It started about 37 years ago with my father who was very active. He was not on the kieslijst but worked together with Casper Boekhoudt. When MEP began Betico Nel Oduber and Croes was my father involved. "As a small boy went Jacobs often with his father. He recalls a conversation with Nel. "I was about 15 years old and when I spoke with Nel Oduber that I like to wish list. He told me that I still had to wait, "Jacobs with a musing smile. With great certainty and with the approval of his parents, he wrote a while back, the party also Nelson Oduber, with the desire to be a politician on the list of MEP. Unfortunately the father of Francis died before the good news was that he was on the list in the yellow lot is accepted. Although he is very sorry that his father is not more to this face, Jacobs believes that his father from the Heavenly Kingdom 'proud of him looking down. "

90,000 friends
As expert in the field of tourism, Aruban history, nature and music would help Jacobs Aruban tourism and culture intertwined with each other. The campaign Jacobs therefore focuses mainly these points. "Many people talk about tourism, but nobody talks about culture, the people. We try to sell the island, but we have our culture, our people sell. "Jacobs has also contributed to the new ATA campaign'90 .000 with Friends You have not yet." Indeed, he is also one of the poster people. For example, in his role as musician shown in the official directory of ATA Aruba as one of the 90,000 friends. This campaign is very focused on people and culture. "I am one of the faces, one of the people of the island. Everybody knows me. I'm so popular. "

Because of his long music career, Jacobs development in the tourism country. "I got it yesterday and today tourism seen. I have five years have played in the Basiruti hotel and the Radisson when the network on the island. "Then he got the chance in addition to the music at the Aruba Tourism Authority to work, Jacobs seized the opportunity with both hands on. "They swung the door open for me and I jumped inside." He started with database work and then he gestroomd to public relations. Now he tries to work with ATA to his political campaign. Actually, he would qualify for Special Exemption from Service. "But I work as usual." His campaign after working hours. "Then I come to the people at home. Most people work still daytime. So I can better evening come. But not if there's novela (soap operas, red) on TV, then the angry women "grinnikt Jacobs.

Together with his team of 16, 17 persons to carry out campaign. One of the main messages that people want to give Jacobs cooperation. "Now is the time to work together. It does not matter what party you are, what religion you have or what color. It is a small island, we must do together. "Moreover, he does, that MEP will not want to govern with another party. "Cooperation is good, but if we want to govern, then it does not work with another small party there. We have in the past to see. That is not good. "The cooperation that Jacobs mean is between people, businesses and institutions.


Tattooing
The country Aruba Jacobs goes literally to the heart. Although he says are against tattoos, he is persuaded to take it one at left, above his heart, to continue. "But only because Aruba was", he stressed. The tattoo shows the island in the sea, with a setting sun in the background. On the island you see rocks, cactus and a characteristic dividiviboom.



Campaign
The kieslijst of MEP is not yet published and Jacobs do not know what position he ends up. It seems that not very important. However, he would like in parliament but is itself not yet ripe for a ministerial post. "I want to work close to the minister." The financing of his campaign is done by Jacobs. "Everything is paid events. I organize music events with friends, my son and me to act. Sometimes I ask for such an event has a small contribution, other times I earn money with the bar and eat. "Jacobs says no money from the partijkas to receive for his political campaign and no money for companies to accept. The slogan for his campaign Jacobs is Dicidido positivo y 'or' positive and decisive. "



Portfolio
John Francis Jacobs was in 1963 in Tanki Flip born as the son of Maximiano Jacobs, better known as Max, and There Sita 'Chita' Dijkhof. Divorced father of three treasures' Franc Ella (22), John Francis (18) and Celiandra (12). He did mavo, then studied English at Xavier University and received a Public Relations diploma. Francis is the youngest of the family with two older sisters, Hortencia Esmeralda Tromp-Jacobs or Tanchi Esmey as they caress mentioned and Maria Genoveva 'Omaira' Cruz-Jacobs. While not poor, Jacobs had the boy not growing as wide. However, there was always enough love. For each other, but also for music. Max Jacobs, now deceased, was a singer and musician on the Steelband. His love for music brought him over to his youngest child. Since four-year-old Francis has been Steelband and his fifth, he played for the first time during Carnival as part of the group Tanki Flip Steelband. The love that his father wore on, Jacobs has in turn passed to his children. To the proud daddy of them all sing and play is still more music.

Thanks San

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:10 PM PT

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

The way that I remember.....SS did have it all figured out.  Then she disappeared for a week.(when she joined C&G)
When she came back she said that she had been ill.
She then became like a different person.....mean and hateful...I had not seen that side of her before.
Then she posted all of that stuff about Kermit.
Maybe it was a different person?

7/18/09 Bondia Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

eugene lampe condena at 18 year of jail for triple asesinato cruel of his family

saturday, 18 july 2009

oranjestad – judge yesterday morning owing to give one splicacion amplio of his sentencia y also owing to beat on finger of gobierno mustrando cu door cu gobierno not owing to percura for have one instancia cu can deal personanan cu problem mental as eugene lampe, gobierno have to abide the consecuencia. redactor of casonan of corte, in form exclusivo owing to publica some month happen one interview haci cu advocate mr. chris lejuez on the asunto here, caminda mr. chris lejuez owing to show cu for of 1994 have rapport work on one situation cu owing to arrive of happen at antiyas dutch, caminda inhustamente owing to close one person for asesinato siendo cu the person was abide of problem mental.

for of the time ey, till cu now nothing owing to wordo haci y mr. chris lejuez owing to haci one apelacion at gobierno for haci algo caminda have to crea the espacio in ley cu is haci possible for give tratamento at personanan cu is abide of problem mental cu is haci they self culpable at crimen hororoso as eugene lampe.

yesterday morning judge owing to menciona in his sentencia cu fiscal owing to beat alarma for cu the situation cu not have instancia for deal personanan cu problem mental, but the realidad is cu mr. chris lejuez, by good morning aruba, owing to beat alarma lunanan anterior cu fiscal owing to trece this front.

owing to planea asesinato cruel

yesterday morning can owing to see one eugene lampe completamente various cu thing owing to see at comienso of the caso or as cu past owing to recupera enough. judge is achieve legalmente prove cu day 4 of april 2008, eugene lampe owing to asesina his father, his brother man y his mother.

judge owing to show cu eugene lampe behind another y cu pausa owing to maltrata all three person cu one beam at cabez cu consecuencia cu they owing to die. judge owing to follow tell cu during tratamento of the caso owing to leave at cla cu had tension in family door cu the parents of eugene lampe wanted owing to place under curatela door cu eugene lampe is adicto at marihuana. besides the parents wanted owing to stop the mature cu eugene wanted owing to sell one cas. one day first cu the lamentable incidente, eugene owing to achieve know cu the have to present in corte for wordo poni under curatela. past owing to calling notary for achieve informacion caminda past owing to wordo informa cu this is haci cu the proceso of bendemento of cas also is stop. this owing to hinca eugene lampe in the estado mental cronico schizophrenia paranoid.

his next day past owing to kill his father cu one beam cu had prepara pafo in cura of cas. past owing to haci this after of one discusion cu the father y at instant cu the father was pafo is preparando all cos for bbq. after of owing to kill his father, eugene owing to sconde the curpa of his father y owing to bay in camber y owing to kill his brother man cu was sleep in camber. after eugene owing to trece the curpa of his father in camber of the brother man. hour his mother owing to arrive cas the mother owing to achieve his casa y his son dead in camber y the same instant owing to wordo ataca y kill for eugene.

judge is achieve cu all this is indica cu eugene had planea for kill the personanan. judge owing to follow tell cu in the time cu owing to happen among the asesinato of the father y the asesinato of the mother had sufficient time for eugene owing to think. past owing to show cu advocate mr. chris lejuez owing to trece front cu door of the problem mental not can talk of premedita y cu have to achieve eugene not responsible. judge not owing to acepta this. judge owing to tell cu the is follow the conclusion of pieter baan centrum cu owing to show cu eugene for one cierto degree is responsible for his actonan.

judge owing to follow tell cu owing to base of the questions haci at pieter baan centrum, the expertonan owing to show cu eugene have problem mental but cu eugene during cu the was haci the asesinatonan can owing to realisa kico the was haci.

great part not responsible

judge at dado instant was contradeci his self in his sentencia. in one part the is considera eugene culpable of triple asesinato y is rechaza the ponencia of advocate mr. chris lejuez cu eugene do not responsible y of another near is tell cu for great part eugene do not responsible. judge is show cu for of the investigacion haci for are of expertonan at pieter baan centrum can constata cu eugene for one cierto degree is responsible for his actonan. judge owing to show cu after of owing to listen the psychiater cu is deal eugene, owing to go back haci more question at pieter baan centrum. judge owing to achieve carta of contesta y is bay behind pieter baan centrum cu eugene for great part do not responsible for his actonan. sinembargo judge is achieve cu for cierto degree eugene is responsible for asesina his family. judge owing to show cu psychiater his conclusion have another influencia in the caso because judge is as at cuenta cu the psychiater is esun cu is deal eugene.

judge is achieve cu pieter baan centrum corectamente owing to arrive at the conclusion cu in great part eugene not was responsible.

rechaza life largo in jail

judge is achieve cu thing owing to happen at the cas at macuarima was one drama espantoso caminda at one form much cruel, eugene owing to asesina his family y after wanted owing to burn they. judge owing to show cu asesinato is the delito more earnest cu is existi. in the caso here eugene owing to comete three asesinato. past owing to show cu during tratamento of the caso, eugene not owing to show lamento for thing past owing to haci but is talk only of his problem mental. judge owing to tell cu the is as cuenta cu for great part eugene do not responsible for his actonan.

gobierno abide consecuencia

judge owing to follow tell cu the expertonan of pieter baan centrum owing to show cu at the netherlands for one caso so, they will owing to conseha corte for place eugene at disposicion of gobierno y under tratamento compulsory. judge owing to remarca cu aruba not conoce this y judge have only the posiblidad for castigo of jail. past owing to show cu fiscal owing to beat alarma in direccion of gobierno cu aruba not conoce place one person at disposicion of gobierno y mucho less not have one instancia for deal personanan cu problem mental as eugene y cu this is haci cu have to close eugene in kia caminda the will have to achieve tratamento. fiscal owing to exigi life largo in jail mirando the seriedad of the delito y cu the chens cu eugene will haci algo so again tey. judge owing to tell cu the not can follow fiscal his sharp of view cu door of not have medio available for place eugene at disposicion of gobierno y one lugar for her achieve the tratamento necesario, owing to dicidi of impone life largo. castigo of jail do not one alternative of place at disposicion, so judge owing to remarca.

the mature cu for great part not have to place eugene responsible for his actonan, life largo of jail do not at his lugar. judge owing to tell cu the is as cuenta cu interest of people. sinembargo, gobierno door of not percura of place instancia disponible, have to abide the consecuencianan.

castigo

judge is achieve cu have to impone castigo of jail for eugene. past owing to tell cu mr. chris lejuez owing to menciona articulo 3 of evrm (derechonan humano) cu is indica cu not can close eugene in kia y cu have to busca another lugar for close eugene for tratamento. judge show cu is ministerio publico is encarga cu the part here but the mature cu door cu aruba not can place eugene at disposicion of gobierno, not can mande the netherlands niether for yonder the wordo deal for his problem mental.

at kia, actualmente eugene is close in one part separa y cu the is see all day television y is play weganan. judge owing to tell cu despite cu the seramento do not adecua but the do not inhumano. besides eugene is achieve tratamento of psychiater in kia. judge owing to condena eugene at 18 anja of jail kitando the time cu already end the is close in kia. redactor of casonan of corte, in combersacion cu mr. chris lejuez can owing to compronde cu the castigo here is nifica cu eugene will have to sit, if the comporta his self, 12 anja of jail.

the chens is existi cu tanto of part of ministerio publico because; of part of mr. chris lejuez will can apela the sentencia. both faction have one period of 2 week for haci this. time will have to show if caso asesinato cruel at macuarima will wordo deal in corte superior or not. come across

I believe the same person returned but ... that same person had been influenced to negate all she had upheld in regards to Kyle Kingman's posts encompassing the John Silvetti betrayal encompassing the trap.

I am letting this topic go "for now" and ... concentrating on what is known.  I have been sidetracked for the past couple of weeks ... the Liindsey Baum case and ... a family wedding.  I am once again focused.

However ... I know the issue will again rear it's ugly head.  In God's timing ... the truth will be revealed ... the truth pertaining to WHO convinced SS to do a flip flop and ... embraced John Silvetti and the enemy's contention that nothing case related was in the trap and ...  again  embraced "CAPS" the distractor.

I have been sidetracked for the past couple of weeks ... the Liindsey Baum case and ... a family wedding.  However ... I am once again focused on this Persistence saga and ... I do believe it will not be long until completion.  An anticipated document has turned into a mini book.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for responding Magnolia.

Janet
8:45 PM PT

... and not only did SS have CAPS role as distractor figured out ... she also had John Silvetti's self-serving motives figured out ... self-serving motives that dictated betraying of Natalee Holloway and her family.  SS was a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words.

What is the persuasion or the other side of the Persistence story that our prodical Monkeys have embraced?

What is the persuasion or the other side of the Persistence story that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway have embraced?

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »

1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


TIM MILLER AND DAVE HOLLOWAY

Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »

Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027#msg845027

I know I said I was going to drop the topic "for now" but ... I lied.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I could not sleep so .. I decided rather than tossing and turning ... I would put this time with no distractions to good use.

Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet
6:20 AM PT

Prior to Kyle Kingman's own words ever becoming an issue ... MumInOhio began having her doubts about CAPS and ... made a stand by questioning his flawed research ... discrepancies ... changing theories and ... overall distraction.  Then suddenly Mum backtracked.  I requested an explanation for the flip flop and ... was respectfully told that she was not ready to share.

What does it take to be deemed worthy to be among the "informed"?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++

MUMINOHIO - MAY, 2008

MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »

SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379364#msg379364


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1424 on: May 06, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »

SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379383#msg379383


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1440 on: May 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps

All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
 
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379502#msg379502


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1450 on: May 06, 2008, 07:32:02 PM »

SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!

I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!

There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379518#msg379518


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1456 on: May 06, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »

Well I guess we are all frustrated today!

I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.

You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!

I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.

I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.

Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.

I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says.  Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….

JMHO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379582#msg379582


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1459 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »

... as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379591#msg379591


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1467 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:50 AM »

SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379694#msg379694


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »

SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.

When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.

An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.

I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.

Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…

 I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1493 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »

This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.

Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.

Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.

This is why I ask questions…

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379920#msg379920


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1494 on: May 08, 2008, 09:41:12 AM »

These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379922#msg379922


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1495 on: May 08, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »

Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379926#msg379926


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »

Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379938#msg379938


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #936 on: May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »

SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.

Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.

I am not going to respond any further on the subject.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380072#msg380072


++++++++


DIALOGUE - MUMINOHIO AND TAMIKOSMOM

MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »[/b]

Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.  However ... you eventually  backtracked.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know why?

Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545

San ... I was being sarcastic.

Our prodigal Monkeys were either deceived by somebody very influencial/pursuasive or ... they are part of the deception to protect John Silvetti ... to protect the Arubans ... from being held accountable for actions encompassing the trap issue.  IMO.

I would just love to know who has the power ... the influence ... to deceive prodigal Monkeys like SS and MumInOhio who saw the light in regards to the Persistence/CAPS deception and ... then flip flopped and returned to the fold.

Janet

Edit:  typo  MB

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

7/19/2009 24ora

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%209%20072009/07192009_24ora_GoldenGate_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

man throw mortalmente in cabez fast golden gate policial

sunday, 19 july 2009 - 10:16

one rato happen police y ambulance owing to being send cu urgencia in direccion of caya betico croes just another near of golden gate for one caso earnest. the melding owing to enter cu owing to throw a. hour police owing to arrive owing to ask ambulance cu urgencia. near of v-1999 owing to achieve he throw y not was give senjal of life. personal of ambulance not can owing to haci nothing for her victima. one tiro in cabez cu was bleed very much self. golden gate is stay open till afternoon y for of marduga have bebemento eyden. we reporteronan is verificando the identidad of the person. cada rato we will is poniendo more photograph. come across

(From my understanding, I think the victim was shot in the head.)

And where did it get Mum and SS.  What did they accomplish.  Were you fooled by them.  Did they influence you.

The only thing that influences people is money.

San

When Dave Holloway and Tim Miller's ongoing relationship with John Silvetti is considered and ... when the backtracking of SS and MumInOhio's respective positions of truth ... I am inclined to believe that whoever this master of deception is ... he would have the ability to sway any one of us with his logic.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I will disagree with this statement.  They did not and will not ever sway me from what I saw.  A picture is worth a thousand words.

San

Mum and SS or any of the prodigal Monkeys have never shared any backup their positions.  They only undermine our positions for which backup is provided.

Janet

Edit: typo

I am off to church.

Janet
9:55 AM PT

When people weren't willing to back off what Kyle said we all became the enemy.

Exactly Janet.  They never provided squat.

One thing about you Janet you always provide backup.  Backup is where it is at.

They never ever provided backup and when you don't provide it why should we believe the person posting.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1337&offId=0&offDate=2009-07

Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 19/07/2009 | horario: 10:06

more imagen y informacion of the caso of tiramento at tarabana the pagina here is contene material grafico y strong y do not apto for younger of edad or esnan sensibeldiadomingo morning owing to enter informe cu near of kooyman techniek have one man throw abao in one plas of blood, at once owing to dirigi police y ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol they owing to notice cu here is deal of one caso of asesinato, y owing to come haye the curpa of the victima throw abao in one plas of blood near of one car mitsubishi galant color of gold v1999. at once the agentenan owing to ask presencia of all autoridad at the sitio. the victima have one injury of tiro at the part behind his cabez, already end polisnan owing to achieve know the identidad of the victima. come across

Not one of them have ever provided any back up of the information that caused them to change their view of Caps and/or the Persistence mission.  Instead they have attacked many that are still here, most especially Kermit; in ways that indicate to me that their "information" has not been provided by Natalee's family.  I really don't think any of Natalee's loved ones would condone the sick attacks that have been made.  Those attacks haven't changed anything except our opinions of some former monkeys..or that's how I feel about it anyway.  Did they/do they really think posting personal information, childish pictures, and heinous lies about SM and many of us here would really sway anyone to their way of thinking?  I just don't get it!

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Nicely said TM.  I couldn't agree with you more.

bastibro

WHY do you not believe that Natalee's remains were not in that trap?


1.  Kyle Kingman backs up his strong contention that Natalee's remains may have been located.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


2.  SS backs up her strong contention that Natalee's remains may have been located.

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »

I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


Both Kyle Kingsman and SS may have backtracked on their strong contentions but ... it is something akin to denying your belly botton.  Everytime you look down it is still there.

KYLE KINGMAN'S OWN WORDS ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY!!

Janet

bastibro ... I agree.  I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

I was just searching for something else and stopped and read this:

Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kyle is saying here that Tim Trahan believes it was Natalee's remains in the trap.  John Silvetti is the one who
wants it covered up.

I know, Janet....you have prbably pointed this out a hundred times. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia

Kyle Kingman's own words tell the whole story regarding the John Silvetti and Tim Trahan's betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family in their participation to the Aruban coverup  and ... then the subsequent betrayal of others who knew the truth and made self-serving decision rather than immediately exposing to the FBI the obstruction of justice on board the Persistence in regards to an American citizen.

Janet 

San and 2NJ

My avatar keeps flashing.  Tell me it is not my 62 year old eyes.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I know, Janet....but that one statement and the one where Kyle says :  if it wasn't her, it was the
biggest cosmic WTF moment of my life... are the ones that convince me the most.

I agree.  Kyle Kingman was so convinced and ... he was the one with the professional expertise to made that assertion.

I wish our prodical Monkeys would explain how they are so convinced that Natalee Holloway's remains were not in that trap.  Is it because John Silvetti says so?  Is it because the Arubans say so?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I need to ask ya'll something.
The couple that was killed in the Florida panhandle once owned a strip club called
Back Seat. 
Wasn't that one of Mr. Pink's company names?

QUOTE FROM BASTIBRO:

I guess you are familiar with my take on that issue Blue Moon,

Kyle is not a liar and having seen all the pics that have been circulating on the internet I just don`t believe that were the remains of Natalee.

Besides that I would consider any answers from Eduardo Mansur as not reliable.


QUOTE FROM BLUE MOON:

Oh Bastibro do not put words in my mouth.  You and others STILL do not get it.  I DID NOT say I believe Natalee was in that cage (very possible though).  What I AM saying is WE WILL NEVER know what was in that cage because they were allowed (ALE) full unrestricted access to that cage to remove "whatever" was in it without any objections from anyone on that ship.   Face it, that IS what Kyle said and HE has NOT returned to dispute those words.  The pictures clearly show large plastic bags with "evidence" in it being removed.  Now whether it was the remains of Natalee or the remains of whoever WE will never know because ALE was allowed to do it without ANY objections from ANYONE.  Do you get my drift now.  You are entitled to your opinion BUT so am I and Kyle cannot dispute his own words



I don't believe Bastibro has been back to answer this.  Why?  Because he or the rest of them have NO answers. Having an opinion is one thing but when stated so firmly that Kyle would not lie when we have his words here for all to read is another thing.  My conclusion at this point is there were remains in that cage.  JMO   Who's we do not know but I do have a feeling it was Natalee but now it cannot be proved.

I am wanting to say it was Back Seat Bangers?  I could be wrong.

Mags, are you getting a funny feeling something is very wrong in this case of murder?  I have a very strong feeling something is just not right about the circumstances surrounding all this.

Thanks, Blue Moon.  I was thinking it was Back Seat Productions.  Surely, there is no connection.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif)


Murdered Fla. Couple's Daughter Will Care for 13 Siblings
The Adult Daughter of Byrd and Melanie Billings Will Move Into the Family Home
By LEE FERRAN, BILL McGUIRE and LAUREN COX
July 19, 2009

Byrd Billings was a 66-year-old entrepreneur who dabbled in used cars, boats and the adult industry before finally hitting it big. Melanie Billings was a 43-year-old country music lover who fed the homeless and was devoted to her MySpace page.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8122403&page=1

The part I highlighted in green above I find interesting too.  Just curious as to what that opinion is based on.    

As I said before, A group of seven or eight people, some of them active military, training for a month
to burgle a home surely raises suspicion.  I think there is more than we know at this time.

I agree.

This reminds me of "Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies."

I agree.

Mixed Picture of Billings' Emerges in Fla. Double Murder Case
Robbers Allegedly Killed for Children's Medication, Family Documents and Some Jewelry
By LEE FERRAN and BILL McGUIRE
July 17, 2009

Together, they adopted 13 children with autism, Down Syndrome and other developmental disabilities and lived in a sprawling home west of Pensacola.

Interviews and court records obtained by the Associated Press also portray Byrd Billings as a former strip club owner-turned used car dealer who was once sentenced to probation for an adoption scam. He frequently crossed paths with "shady characters," according to an ex-wife, but police have offered no evidence linking his past to the murders of Billings and his wife.  

Known around Pensacola as "Bud," Byrd Billings spent his early years in Mississippi and Tennessee. He owned a car dealership in Mississippi in the 1980s, and incorporated a boat company in 1976. The corporation was dissolved in the 1980s. In divorce records from the dissolution of his second marriage, in 1993, Billings reported having a net worth of just $1,400, including total cash assets of $100 and a net monthly income of $1,190. Four months after the divorce, Melanie became his third wife.

At the time of their death, they were living in a $700,000 home - opulent by Pensacola standards - and associates say they employed several people to care for the children. But how they

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8110569&page=1

My guess would be Hotshot TOLD him that and he firmly believes it.

I was thinking maybe Caps, but probably the same difference.   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Or 'ask me no questions because I will not answer them'..... didn't take the time to go find my post asking questions about his SS statement.  Quite honestly, I think of the case, what it means to me, how it will ever be resolved.  I try not to spend time on those who follow but make half ass'd statements with no backup......Yes, I have read today's comments and agree.  Even noticed Debbie logged on earlier and wondered if she'd have something to offer or if maybe she was just checking spelling.

If I sound a little irritable, maybe it's because it's been a long, busy weekend here.  I come here first and last, every day that I can & won't stop unless this computer craps out, I croak or am out of town. 

San, I love your website photo & message. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyWink::   That's what I was thinking. 

I also come here first and last thing every day before I head over to the other threads.  You never know when there will be good news that Natalee is finally coming home to her family and country.  It is a very simple thing to do the right thing for Beth and Dave and for the memory of Natalee.  Aruba, sadly, will never do the right thing.

from 2NJ:

San, I love your website photo & message.



Sand what is your website photo?

Darn it---correction.

I agree 2NJ.  I try not to spend too much time thinking about "them" either; it tends to made me mad and grumpy.  And since Bastibro has developed a habit of coming here to make his comments about posts, but doesn't see fit to answer any subsequent questions regarding his comments; I've come to consider him just another drive-by like so many others before him.  JMO

Hi 2NJ, I do the same thing.  I come here first and last.

edit to correct typo!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ClintEastwood.jpg)

And just where were those remains Capslockwizard (WLC per his own system of identity, lol) repeatedly stated would be found in that pond?  What's the excuse on that whopper?  All Dave had to do was go down and collect them.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Yet when I repeated what Hans Mos told me verbatim, I was the one lying?  Hardly!  But it is very telling as to who is willing to believe whom and I just have to wonder why.


And BASTIBRO, where's my bracelet?  You promised!    ::MonkeyDevil::


billb will be very jealous of my quote stack in this post.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

BlueMoon,

I remember it as Back Seat Bangers as well but that could be the name of their "episodes" or whatever they call them, encounters, whatever and they are produced by a company with similar name.  I sort of doubt there is a connection to this murdered couple as like the Lions' Den, I think that may be a common name in the sleaze industry.

However, there is something very hinky about this murder because they could have just taken the safe and left the couple alive but bound and gagged, etc.  I think it was a professional hit for some reason or other.

And authorities have said there was an international connection.  Maybe drugs?  Am watching this case closely as I agree there is much more to it than a simple home invasion.   

I don't know if Natalee's remains were in that trap or not and the reason I don't know is because only ALE was given access and collected from it and I simply don't believe a word they say about much of anything.

That aspect could and should have been handled very differently.  Sometimes I wonder if ALE had the remains, made them disappear maybe into the trap and they keep being brought back to them.  Now wouldn't that be something.  Just speculating but I bet the thought has crossed more minds than just my own.   

NICE, he was a hunk in his days.  I bearly remember Rawhide but I do remember sitting and being fixed on his face.

Or
 
"Go ahead...make my day."    ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyCool::

I can hear him saying it!  woooohoooo!   ::MonkeyDevil::

Calling it a night.  Have a good one.

Good night Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

The pond, The cemetary, The Cave, Bits and pieces (he/they said peaces iirc) all over the place, but still at least one part at the pond.  Well....Dave finally spent the money and sent Golba to search the pond...nothing.  Wonder what the story is now.  Maybe back to the cemetary or the cave?

I'm just glad I'm not caught up in all that BS anymore.

The stories that group came up with...they'll pay one day.  I'm counting on it!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yep....and I think there's a few more that feel that way....if we get half way there, it's still good.  Make my day.   ::MonkeyWink::

Later 2nj..

MARRIOTT VACATION CLUB APPOINTS NEW GENERAL MANAGER AT MARRIOTT'S FRENCHMAN'S COVE
ORLANDO, Fla. – May 26, 2009 – Marriott Vacation Club International (MVCI) – the vacation ownership division of Marriott International, Inc. (NYSE:MAR) – has appointed Pieter Knot to general manager at Marriott's Frenchman's Cove on St. Thomas, U.S.V.I.

http://www.arda.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PressRoom/MemberPressReleases/June2009/042609_Marriott.pdf

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:10 PM PT

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm calling it a night too!  Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight Janet & TM..Got my head buried in the computer but,need to go to bed myself..God Bless! ::MonkeyCool::

FL couple  =  Back Seat, Inc.

Pensacola strip club Arety's Angels

 Billings worked as a consultant for Back Seat Inc., a holding company for a topless bar

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31960212/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

connection/Mr. Pink/Paul B. / doubtful

Hotshot posts the dumbest stuff on Dave Holloway's Facebook wall... I can't beleive he's friends with her...

She's embarrasing!

You must be friends with one of them to see it, right, Patriot?   

I wonder if Hotshot ever got Dave Holloway's new phone number.  She really can't take a hint about anything. 

I really resent those who claim to know what we all think about everything.  Just because some of us do not take ALE's word for what was in the trap does not mean we are convinced it was Natalee in the first place.  I, for one, just don't know what it was.

Experts thought it was Natalee at the time of discovery.  Now we have no way of knowing what it was because only ALE had access.  They could have sent all or some or none or totally different to they FBI for all I know just as blood once turned into chocolate.  They have been known in the past to be just that sort of "miracle workers."   

I have to wonder what happened to some so that they became so trusting of Aruban sources given the history of deceit.

That is correct.  I am. An it's not Hotshot that's for sure...

Prodigal Monkeys have a choice ... either Kyle Kingman is the grandfather of all liars and John Silvetti has been despicably defamed OR ... Kyle Kingman was revealing the truth when he implied in his own words that John Silvetti participated with the enemy in furthering the Aruban coverup.

Which is it?

Janet

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PRODIGAL MONKEYS

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »

... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.  There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #821 7/13/09 -
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2009, 09:27:59 PM »

Kyle is not a liar and having seen all the pics that have been circulating on the internet I just don`t believe that were the remains of Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg880667#msg880667


VISUAL DIVE - DECEMBER 30, 2007 - VISUAL DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HOW OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive.  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


RECOVERY DIVE - JANUARY 7, 2008

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman   I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


NATALEE'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435

Edit: Typo MB

 ::MonkeyCool::   I'm fairly new to facebook and have some 'friends' who use applications that I should just hide.  It may be that I have to look at my options/settings.   

Logic Dictates that the prodical monkeys won't answer the question Janet,Although it is a simple one... ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning All.

It is a beautiful day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.  I will work until noon on Natalee Holloway stuff and ... then a walk around the seawall of False Creek which is located near world famous Stanley Park with hubby's sisters is where it is at while ... hubby and BIL's are fishing for the "big one" off of Point Grey ... the University of British Columbia (UBC).  The meeting place for guys and gals will be at dinner time at Vancouver's Granville Market public wharf.  I would like to eat at "The Keg" ... I really crave a charbroiled steak  but considering other than me all other are Japanese ... I suspect I will be overruled and ... Japanese food will be were it is at.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Have a good day all.

Janet
10:40 AM PT

Hi Keepthefaith.  It has been a while.  I hope all is right with your world.

Janet

It is wonderful Janet!Thanx for asking.Hope all is well up north?It's about time we got a stretch of beautiful weather...No better place at this time of year then the Northwest... ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks MuffyBee.

Janet

YW.  Your files are so organized and everything looks so orderly, I hoped you didn't mind if I fixed that one little item.   ::MonkeyAngel::

MuffyBee ... not only do I not mind ... I appreciate your efforts so much.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Sister-In-Law just drove up the driveway.  I am off for the day but ... I will return.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day all.

Janet

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Was just stoppin in to see if "Bro" was up to the task today?Answering Janet's the question that is....Is today the day? ::MonkeyCool::

Janet, Janet, it`s really not that difficult you know . .

Silvetti took the words of ALE for gospel, in other words;
Silvetti did trust ALE in handling the samples they took and Kyle obviously did not.

What I think is they(Persistence crew) should have taken the evidence before ALE was able to do so.

They had plenty time between the 30th and the 7th.
It will always be a wasted opportunity IMO

I wouldn`t mind to translate my answer in German for you ::MonkeyHaHa::

Again Bastibro..IS KYLE A LIAR,and in doing so defamed John silvetti,or is he telling the TRUTH as he saw it?VERY SIMPLE..

Bastibo, your grasp of the English language suddenly has improved 100%.  Not an error in that statement that I can see.  Just saying for someone whose 1st language is not English you did a very good job with your statement.  Now let's be honest here, who wrote that for you?  Sorry but you are letting someone else write for you.  JMO

To answer that is VERY SIMPLE KTF!  Kyle is NOT a liar  ::MonkeyRoll::

How did you come to the conclusion Kyle was telling the truth about what occured on the Persistence?

So Kyle did tell the truth hear at SM and also to Freebirds?  Thanks for owning up to that.  Now Kyle needs to come onboard and tell it himself (unless he just did). JMO

Well thank you very much Blue Moon, I like you too ::MonkeyWink::

As you know I was a member of GnG for quite some time and did a lot of practice there.

I would feel very petit to let others dictate my posts  ::MonkeyNoNo::

That's CnG not GnG, just saying.  But your language skills are very impressive. JMO (notice this says Just my opinion).

Did I run you away Bastibro?  I didn't mean to.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Why would John Silvetti "trust" ALE?  He spent time with family members before going to Aruba, he spent time with Tim Miller; my bet is the subject CAME UP!

So that's going to be his lame excuse?  He trusted ALE.  Guess he didn't take the time to read the history of the case beforehand?  Guess he didn't listen to those who have been involved in the case from the beginning?

Just decided all on his own to trust ALE?  Well, isn't that special?

I say BS. 

Wasted opportunity?  Oh I think they saw to it that nothing was for naught when it comes to THEM!  I look forward to seeing just how much they reap from that mission for years to come.  Kyle's words say it all, John Silvetti's priorities wouldn't allow him to do what was right for Natalee and her family.

The thing is....IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT NATALEE! 

Problem being, IT NEVER WAS!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO

TM, good post.  "IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT NATALEE".  Sadly it never was.

Keepthefaith, Debbie and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Oh where,oh where did Bastibro Go?Anybody....

I guess he didn't want to play today (or answers any questions).  Personally I think someone else was posting using his log on.  JMO

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59822.php

Google translation:


Man wound against Golden Gate


20 Jul, 2009, 13:47 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/20-aruba-schietpartij.gif) 
 
The 42-year-old Giuseppe Arend Phelipa was yesterday morning beside a car in the parking lot of Kooyman Techniek by the head.

ORANGE CITY - The 42-year-old Giuseppe Arend Phelipa from Curaçao is around half past nine yesterday morning shot dead in the parking lot of Kooyman Techniek, restaurant bar against Golden Gate. The same day is a suspect E.R. arrested on suspicion of shooting with fatal outcome. He was a friend of the victim.

Both were after a concert with the Golden Gate and there until morning remained. The arrest of E.R. agents took a baseball bat and a small quantity of drugs. The sister of the victim earlier that night also proved to have been present in the Golden Gate but was formerly went home.

Due to the extremely late hours at this bar is a popular place for public nightlife that 'just wants'. The Golden Gate is a place where more drugs are used. The police have previously tried to seize the opening to tackle. So far without success.

Trouble

Allow the suspect to work at Golden Gate and was arguing with the victim. Witnesses reported that at least there 'problems' were created. Agents were around ten hours of the morning reports that a man lay lifeless next to a car in the parking lot of Kooyman. There would also be much blood. Ambulance personnel and police were quickly on the spot, but noted that the man was not more help. The victim had a bullet through the head and bled enormous. Resuscitation of the support staff was impossible. Back to the exact reason for the shooting is still in the dark getast.

The victim was from the Netherlands on holiday and had to fly back yesterday afternoon. Allegedly let some children after the victim, the Netherlands and on the islands.
 
 

Yes, the post was unusual for Bastibro.  First hinkey...no beating around the bush.   ::MonkeyWink::

I agree with you Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Patrick maybe?

It's all to obvious ehhh... ::MonkeyCool::

TM, notice how he brings up CnG (he brought it up not me).  It is either ******* or Debbie (she appeared after he left) or Kyle himself. JMO

IMO, not the one in red.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Blue Moon, it wasn't Patrick.  The man's name was Giuseppe Arend Phelipa.

I posted more articles and pictures in the Murder and Crime thread if you're interested.

Sorry, meant to say "Possible" on the above post.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59821.php

Google Translation:

Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, on a computer network

20 Jul, 2009, 13:47 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - The services provided in Aruba and the Antilles foreign policy is one of these days is connected to the computer network of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. This will include all information from the embassies and consulates are available for all countries in the kingdom. This is one of the measures following the three day working visit of Minister Verhagen (Foreign Affairs) is affected.

In addition, to support, officials of Foreign Affairs on the islands are stationed. Furthermore, services for foreign policy in the islands Policy to exchange Den Haag. During the meeting between the Prime Minister Verhagen Oduber and the Prime Minister of the Netherlands Antilles De Jongh-Elhage minister discussed the situation in the world and in the Caribbean.

Aruba and the Antilles are closely involved in the note about foreign policy the Caribbean, soon submitted to the Lower House in the Netherlands and the States to Aruba and the Antilles is offered. Verhagen Minister used his meeting at the Prime Minister aware of the discussions that he earlier this week with Prime Minister Balkenende argued in the U.S. capital Washington.

Furthermore, they discussed the impact of the financial-economic crisis and the situation in the Caribbean. Minister Verhagen and the Prime Ministers stressed the importance of good relations with the countries in the region. In 2010, through the political reforms in the Kingdom of the Netherlands created two new countries: Curaçao and Sint Maarten. The islands Bonaire, Saba and Sint Eustasius be Dutch municipalities. Minister Verhagen is responsible for the foreign policies of all countries in the kingdom.
 

I used to think i jumped on the forum late.I think Iris44 has got KTF beat! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was beginning to get worried about you, Janet!   ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Texasmom.

Janet
10:40 PM PT

No need to worry.  I am here for the long run.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Good night Janet.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Excellent point, Txmom!

I *think* I'm glad to know Bastibro doesn't believe Kyle is a liar.  ::MonkeyConfused::

That he then doesn't believe Kyle lied to Natalee's Freebirds when he recounted everything he saw and knew.

Oh TM, Silvetti was most certainly aware of the history of evidence disappearing into that bottomless drawer within the OM/ALE office.

In our first email communications with Kyle after he contacted us..................

In addition to asking about the protocol should they find anything - a little reminder (urging) was included about the lack of trustworthiness regarding ALE.

Kyle assured us that they understood all of that.

"THEY" understood all of that.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe this is a repeat. 


 


 


Valero, PetroChina Still in Talks on Aruba Refinery, Aide Says

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By Jessica Resnick-Ault

July 20 (Bloomberg) -- Valero Energy Corp., the largest U.S. oil refiner, is continuing talks with PetroChina Co. over sale of its plant in Aruba, according to an aide to Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

The San Antonio-based company originally sought $1.5 billion for the refinery, and PetroChina, China’s largest oil company, continues to seek a lower price, Eric Brete, Aruba’s protocol officer, said today in a telephone interview. Brete said he discussed the matter with PetroChina officials last year.

“Negotiations are going on between the refinery and the interested party,” Brete said. PetroChina is the only current bidder that has met with the government, he said.

Valero bought the refinery in March 2004 for $365 million plus $100 million for related marine fuel operations and $250 million for working capital.

The plant, with a capacity to process 275,000 barrels of oil a day, has been on the block since November 2007, when Valero said it hired UBS Investment Bank to help sell it. The refinery was shut earlier this month because of low profit margins, and Valero said it would remain closed for at least two months.

Brete said government officials also discussed the sale of the refinery with Petroleo Brasileiro SA, Brazil’s state- controlled oil company, which said in late 2008 that it made a bid on the plant early in the year but was no longer interested in it.

Valero has declined to identify any parties that are interested in the refinery, saying discussions are confidential.

“We have been in discussions with interested parties, and discussions are continuing,” Valero spokesman Bill Day said today in an interview.

The refinery produces diesel fuel and feedstock for other Valero refineries. It doesn’t make finished gasoline.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jessica Resnick-Ault in New York at jresnickault@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: July 20, 2009 17:31 EDT



 


 
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Joran, Deepak and Satish were detained by the new prosecutor Hans Mos in November, 2007 just prior to the Persistence undertaking.

Hans Mos was regarded by many ... including the majority of Natalee's Freebirds ... as the knight in shining armour who who would finally put justice for Natalee Holloway into motion.

Tamikosmom and one other Natalee's Freebird took an opposing position.

In January, 2008 ... I compiled a document supporting my opposing position ... an opposing position which implied that the rearrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish were part of Aruba's last Hurrah to convince the world ... convince America ... that the "powers that be" did all that was possible but ... in the end  failed ... in their sincere attempt to convince the Aruban court to allow charges to be brought against the suspects.  In other words ... my contention was that Hans Mos was a part of the deception.

The consensus of the flock was that my composition would not be released as Natalee Freebird document.  My suggestion that two sides of the Hans Mos' issue be released as Natalee Freebirds' documents ... letting the reader be the judge ... was also overruled.

Bastibo's words tell me there is a new strategy ... a new strategy which imiplies that John Silvetti will now concede that Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that trap but ... like many other ... he believe that the involvement of the new prosecutor ... who had attempted to hold Joran, Deepak and Satish accountable ... dictated that any case related discovery by the Persistence would not be covered up?

In other words ... the prodigal Monkeys have it both ways ... Kyle Kingman is not the grandfather of all liars and ... John Silvetti did not intentionally stand in the way of justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family.

Janet

Edit: typo

PROMISED THE SUSPECTS!!!


Prosecutor Mulls Closure in Natalee Holloway Case
Saturday, December 08, 2007

Hans Mos told The Associated Press Friday he will drop the case unless prosecutors agree before the New Year that they have strong enough evidence to go to court.

"We promised the suspects that after Dec. 31, we will not pursue the case," Mos said. "This investigation should end at a certain point."

Mos said he imposed the deadline himself earlier this year because he feels two years is a reasonable amount of time for bringing charges against someone.

His comments come after the recent release of three suspects who have been arrested several times since the investigation began following Holloway's May 2005 disappearance.

Mos said if prosecutors believed they only had enough evidence to charge someone with a minor crime related to the case, he and the Holloway family feel pursuing such a charge "doesn't serve a purpose." A person convicted of making a body disappear, for example, would serve only six months in prison, he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316210,00.html

psst............http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2008/09/hans-mos.html

After giving Mos time to either prove his mettle or fail miserably, (gave him enough rope with which to hang himself) we did publish a doc on him.  ::MonkeyWink::

Janet,

I may not remember it the way you do, but what I recall was the group would not agree to release your capitulation of quotes/document because of a family member who still was on the side of Hans Mos. The group felt that the family members wishes came first before any of our desires or thoughts because the family may have confidential information that the group may not have had as a whole, therefore, your document was withheld at that time.

Later, as more information & evidence was gained from the group we collectively wrote a document exposing the prosecutor in Aruba. You had already abandoned the group by that time.

HANS MOS
ARUBAN PROSECUTOR - OR SABATEUR?
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

Janet - while of course we never heard from Silvetti on the subject, Kyle did tell us that he trusted Neither Richardson nor Mos, after having met and spoken with both of them.

In all that Kyle shared with us, there HAD to have been discussion aboard the Persistence regarding the integrity (lack thereof) of both the OM and ALE..........prior to that cage having been found.

In addition, all project leads had met with both Dave and Beth prior to departing New Iberia, and the wealth of information I'm certain was shared by them ...Also don't forget Tim Miller's vast experience with the way Aruba operates... there is NO WAY it could ever be convincingly pawned off on me that Silvetti was simply trusting Hans Mos and was fooled by him.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Remember - Beth and Dave had both had dealings with Mos before the Persistence search farce ever began, and would have shared their experiences, thoughts and feelings about him with the Project Leads.

I would never believe that they all weren't well armed and forewarned prior to departure.

Natalee's Freebirds also forewarned them before they arrived in Aruba as well.

I'm not sure I'd give Bastibro that much credit to have a strategy - more like derailment is their game.
Although, I agree, his posts do show improved English.

Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564753;topicseen#msg564753

Kyle said: "John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability"http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564763#msg564763


Kyle stated: "John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship."
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.120