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25 June 2009 22:01

MICHAEL JACKSON - JACKSON HOSPITALISED AFTER CARDIAC ARREST - REPORT
JACKSON HOSPITALISED AFTER CARDIAC ARREST - REPORT

MICHAEL JACKSON is reportedly in hospital after suffering a heart attack.
The Thriller superstar's aides frantically called an ambulance to come to Jackson's Holmby Hills mansion in Los Angeles earlier today (25Jun09), according to TMZ.com.
Reports suggest the singer's condition was so bad, medics were forced to administer CPR en-route to a nearby hospital - to keep him alive.
Jackson's worried family members are allegedly rushing to his bedside.
Earlier this month (Jun09), family insider Arthur Phoenix told WENN the superstar was in a bad way and should not be considering a 50-concert run in London, scheduled to start in July (09).
He insisted the concerts would not happen, stating, "Michael is not mentally, physically or spiritually ready for these shows. There's something missing in his soul... It's over! There are family members who feel the same way but they're afraid to speak."
Phoenix fears the pressure of the comeback and the upcoming shows have taken their toll on the 50 year old.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/entertainment/celebrity_news/090625_michael_jackson_heart_attack
Michael Jackson Suffers
Heart Attack
TMZ.com First Reported Jackson Health
Emergency

Updated: Thursday, 25 Jun 2009, 3:57 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 25 Jun 2009, 3:47 PM CDT

DOUG DELONY
LOS ANGELES - The website TMZ says Michael Jackson has suffered cardiac arrest and was rushed to the hospital on Thursday afternoon.

TMZ says Jackson was loaded into an ambulance just after 2 p.m. Central time., and his mother was to meet him at the hospital.

Paramedics were seen performing CPR on the singer, who suffered the heart attack at his home on Los Angeles.

For more on this story, visit TMZ.com .

He was picked up at his home around 20 minutes ago -- we're told his mother is on the way to visit him.

UPDATE: The 911 call came in at 12:21PM at his Holmby Hills home in L.A.

UPDATE: A Jackson family member tells TMZ Michael is in "really bad shape" and the brothers are headed to UCLA.

UPDATE: We just got off the phone with Joe Jackson, Michael's dad, who says "he is not doing well."

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/06/0625_mjacksonhospital062509_01_x17_ex.jpg)

http://www.tmz.com/

Dam shame but for years he's been on a decline, it sounds rather critical at the moment.   Say what you will about him (gossip or factual) but he is a genius to the music industry & has given us much joy thru his arts.   Prayers with the Jackson family   ::MonkeyAngel::

Dam, well had put off his concert because he wanted to be physically & mentally ready wanting it to be spectacular...the world lost a music genius no matter what one thinks of him otherwise.   Thank you for your contributions to music Michael, you've left a legacy.

TMZ is reporting that Michael Jackson has died

Michael Jackson Dies
Posted Jun 25th 2009 5:20PM by TMZ Staff

We've just learned Michael Jackson has died. He was 50.

Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon and paramedics were unable to revive him. We're told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back.

Michael is survived by three children: Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince "Blanket" Michael Jackson II.

Jackson had 13 number one hits during his solo career.

Michael, thank you for your contributions to the music industry & getting us all to dance

TMZ is reporting this, but I don't see it anywhere else  ::MonkeyConfused::

I haven't seen it anywhere else either.  I hope that he pulls through..

I feel he was a very abused child, who grew up to be a confused adult.  All the while able to be a musical genuis and gave so much to this world and his fans.  Eccentric..yes..but he brought a lot of hope and musical talent along with him.

http://www.tmz.com/
Michael Jackson Dies
Posted Jun 25th 2009 5:20PM by TMZ Staff
We've just learned Michael Jackson has died. He was 50.

Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon at his Holmby Hills home and paramedics were unable to revive him. We're told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back.

A source tells us Jackson was dead when paramedics arrived.

Once at the hospital, the staff tried to resuscitate him but he was completely unresponsive.

We're told one of the staff members at Jackson's home called 911.

La Toya ran in the hospital sobbing after Jackson was pronounced dead.

Michael is survived by three children: Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince "Blanket" Michael Jackson II.

http://www.tmz.com/

Update on previous post:

Michael Jackson Dies
Posted Jun 25th 2009 5:20PM by TMZ Staff

<snip>
A source tells us Jackson was dead when paramedics arrived. A cardiologist at UCLA tells TMZ Jackson died of cardiac arrest.
<snip>

(same article as previous post, but with update)

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TMZ IS REPORTING MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED OF CARDIAC ARREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyWaa::

My childhood friend & I used to sing this song all the time.  RIP Michael, thanks for the memories.

http://www.youtube.com/v/-16fDpOW948&hl=en&fs=1&

And CNN is saying he is in a coma  ::MonkeyEek::

They are now also reporting he has died, and so is Fox.

LA Times is confirming The King of Pop has died, 3:15 pacific time

Capp, I just saw that also, LA Times is confirming. My thoughts and prayers are with his children and family.

Well, I grew up with the Jackson Five. I know he had a hard childhood into adulthood. But I'm having a hard time with this comparing him to Elvis and someone on CNN commented it's like having the President die. Come on, I think he was a pedophile that had the money to cover it. That's truly a shame. He music was great, but there was a dark side too.

He was so damn skinny, I'm wondering if he was bulimic too. Wreaks havoc on the heart.

AP, LA Times Report Michael Jackson Dies at Age 50

URGENT: Legendary music icon Michael Jackson dies after reports of possible heart attack.


Video:

Cardiac Arrest?
June 25, 2009

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=6289186&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

I always loved the Jackson 5 when I was a kid.  Later on, I loved Michael's music.  I always felt sorry for him though...even though he was a superstar, he seemed lonely.  RIP, Michael.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Multiple reports: Michael Jackson dies at 50
updated 1 minute agohttp://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/michael.jackson/index.html

Yep, yep & yep.

and yep.

Local live waiting for news conference:

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/36789/5m/cbslocalimg.dayport.com/htm/DayPortCBSPlayer.html?categoryID=71,102,72,73,101,104,96,77,86,95,80,69,90,89,92,98,99,100,108,193,192&limit=10&articleID=8861@kcbs.dayport.com&adInsertionInterval=2&bannerAdConDefID=29&defaultPreviewImage=http%3A//cdn.dayport.com/vlnimg/img/PartnerPlayer/samplepreviewimage.jpg&domain=kcbs.dayport.com&imageDomain=cdn.dayport.com/kcbsimg&limit_default=10&conDefID=9&videoAdObjectID=28&logoAdConDefID=8&logoAdObjDefID=27&hitboxAccountID=DM5307034JDN&hitboxDomain=cbs2.com&siteName=KCBS%20TV&callLetters=KCBS&isLiveStream=true&version=20071003

(When I lived in LA, I worked in Encino, only blocks from his parents house). 

This is sad.


CNN live:

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3

In his day, I loved MJ's music. ( I am a music fan ) The person he was was a turn off. He was a talented and tortured man. The kiddo's neighbour told us and tears sprang to my eyes. I want them to knock it off on CNN about him, just play his tunes and give him the respect as a great musician. I probably will be crying tonight, for some reason this is overwhelming to me. The ghouls will be out with salacious details, some true, some not.
...
RIP Michael Jackson. I'll remember you at your zenith and how much sheer joy I found in your music and your dancing.  It was a bit of heaven, those days.

Cat, I enjoyed his music and his dancing. I am very sorry that you feel overwhelmed. I too am a music fan, and certain songs can bring back some vivid times and memories. Hugs to you from me.

I wish the news media would just knock it off too. Play his music, and give him a tribute and let it go. I was switching around channels and I saw where the fans were trying to break into the hospital to see him. And now NoRose says that she has seen a pic that someone has taken of him on a stretcher. It has all just gone too far.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

My daughter found out just as she was going to work.
Almost crying to go to her grown up job blasting MJ all the way.
She probably has the same memory as me. My Dad, her and MTV and watching Michael Moonwalk. We were squealing with laughter and delight. 
Later, I am going to put on my new wonderful stylish shoes ( stylish enough for a teenager ) and I am going to try to moonwalk !
It's probably not MJ that makes me want to cry , but the time period that he evokes in my memory.
I'll be looking at the Moon and I'll be thinking of you, RIP Michael.
..
I would like the media to give him some peace, but that isn't going to happen, is it. We are a sick society.

hello moneys,
I am in shock with michael jackson's dead!! it is incredible to put in the internet his picture in the ambulance ::MonkeyNoNo::

Prayers for his children, Michael, Paris and Prince.

I agree Celita..the media needs to give Michael the peace he deserves and didn't get in life.  He was many things..but his family and children deserve respect now.

Although Micheal was a rather perplexing character surrounded by much controversy, he was very talented - I have to say I enjoyed his music. I have always wondered about the make up of that family too - not sure it was as functional as one would think.

While watching the coverage last night on the passing of Michael, there was a segment where Michael says, "If you want to know me, understand me, listen to my "Childhood" song, and then you will understand."


http://www.youtube.com/v/dVJscGa5vbc&hl=en&fs=1

Tks 4 posting this one, which is one of a number of my favorites ::MonkeyAngel::.......

Very nice post Kat. My Son and I did the same (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jackson.gif) I also will never forget watching him as a child star, when I was a child.
I am not shocked or surprised at this ending. I fully expected it. When he left the USA for Bahrain after his trial, I said to myself, it won't be long.....
I have many memories. I hope I can remember only the good. A musical genius...a true legend in his own time.

Jackson Family -- Demerol Shot Caused Death
Posted Jun 26th 2009 9:56AM by TMZ Staff

A close member of Michael Jackson's family has told us Jackson received a daily injection of a synthetic narcotic similar to morphine -- Demerol -- and yesterday he received a shot at 11:30 AM.

Family members are saying the dosage was "too much" and that's what caused his death.

Michael Jackson Doctor -- MIA
Posted Jun 26th 2009 10:00AM by TMZ Staff

We've learned law enforcement is looking for a doctor who lived at Michael Jackson's home -- and the doctor is nowhere to be found.

Law enforcement sources tell us a BMW belonging to the doctor was towed from Jackson's home last night.

Cops are looking to interview the doc.

A law enforcement source says the doctor gave Jackson an injection before he died.

Jackson reportedly may have OD'd on Demerol. As we first reported, family members were concerned that Jackson was taking too much morphine.

Michael Jackson's Autopsy Has Begun
Posted Jun 26th 2009 10:07AM by TMZ Staff

The Los Angeles County Coroner has begun the autopsy on Michael Jackson.

Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran is performing the autopsy. The Dr. was a star witness in the O.J. Simpson case.

Debbie Rowe -- She Gets Custody if She Wants
Posted Jun 26th 2009 11:52AM by TMZ Staff

Debbie Rowe is poised to take full custody of the two children she bore for Michael Jackson.

It has been widely reported Debbie Rowe gave up her parental rights to Paris and Michael Jr. That is not true.

During the custody fight that Rowe had with Jackson in 2005, she attempted to give up her parental rights, saying Michael was the greatest father ever. Retired Judge Stephen Lachs, who presided over the hearing, initially ruled her rights were terminated ... but then Lachs reversed his decision.

Here's what happened. We spoke with Lance Spiegel, the lawyer who repped Jackson at the time. Spiegel says under the law, the Department of Children and Family Services must conduct a parental fitness investigation before parental rights are terminated and that didn't happen with Rowe.

So Rowe has never given up any of her parental rights. As a result, under California law, Rowe is now presumed to be the person who will get custody. The only way Rowe can be denied custody is if a court determines it would be "detrimental to the children."

As for whether Rowe will ask for custody .... our sources say you can bet on it. We're told if Rowe gets custody she will get "a huge amount of child support from Jackson's estate."

Ah yes, Demerol. He used this to manage pain after the Pepsi Commercial burning. There had been speculation that he never stopped using it.

Thanks Norose for the updates here; i have been watching the coverage non stop since the news broke. We have been fans since Thriller came out. I read this morn. on People's site that the family staged an intervention in Vegas a few weeks ago, I'll try & post the article. I truly believe he was over-medicating for years, & that he had immense mental problems. It's so sad, & still so shocking to me  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Attempted Vegas Intervention


Originally posted Friday June 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
Michael Jackson
 
Photo by: Carlo Allegri / Getty 
As far back as 2006, members of Michael Jackson's family were terrified that his escalating dependence on prescription drugs had become a danger to his life – and attempted an intervention in Las Vegas.

"The family believes Michael is addicted," a family insider told PEOPLE. "There was an intervention in Las Vegas. Janet was on the phone, but Randy, Jackie and Rebbie were there in person," the source said, referring to several of Michael's eight siblings.

"Michael got p---ed off. He said he wasn't on drugs. But they didn't believe him."

Jackson suffered cardiac arrest at his rented home in Los Angeles Thursday and was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. PST. His autopsy will be conducted by the Los Angeles County Coroner Friday, although some tests, including a toxicology report, could take days or weeks to complete.

At the time of the Vegas intervention, another source close to the family blamed a Jackson aide for supplying the superstar with drugs from prescriptions acquired from multiple doctors.

"[The aide] has contacts wherever they are," said the source. In addition to consuming alcohol, Jackson takes "straight morphine, Demerol and opiates like Oxycontin. He also takes Valium and Xanax," said the insider.

"Michael is a clinically functioning addict and these are the most dangerous," the source continued. "They stop and start. These are the ones that OD ... It could happen any minute."

After Jackson's death Thursday, family attorney Brian Oxman, who huddled with the grieving family at the hospital, raised the possibility that the drug abuse remained a critical factor in Jackson's life. "If you think that the case of Anna Nicole Smith was an abuse, it is nothing in comparison to what we have seen in Michael Jackson's life," Oxman told CNN.

Michael Jackson 911 Tape On the Way

The Michael Jackson 911 tape will be released to the public within an hour and TMZ will stream it live.

http://www.tmz.com/

Janet Jackson Arrives in L.A.
Posted Jun 26th 2009 1:27PM by TMZ Staff

We've just obtained a photo of Janet Jackson arriving at the Van Nuys airport in Los Angeles early this morning.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/06/0626_janet_jackson_kj_2705_jj.jpg.jpg)

http://www.tmz.com/

Emergency Workers Felt Jackson Dead at Scene
Posted Jun 26th 2009 12:45PM by TMZ Staff

When EMTs arrived at Michael Jackson's home yesterday, the medics wanted to pronounce him dead on the scene -- but Michael's personal doctor refused to let them "call it" -- this according to sources close to the situation.

When EMTs arrived there was evidence someone had been performing CPR on Michael for "quite some time." There was evidence of Lidocaine -- an old-school drug that can be used to treat disturbances in the heart's rhythm. Medics took over performing CPR but determined Jackson was lifeless -- and wanted to call the coroner to pick up the body.

We're told Jackson was flat-lined when EMTs arrived.

But our sources say M.J.'s doc demanded EMTs continue performing CPR anyway, and demanded that they take Michael to the hospital.

Once they arrived at UCLA, we're told Jackson's doc continued to personally administer CPR -- even though it was clear Jackson was already gone.

http://www.tmz.com/

Michael Jackson's Missing Doctor ID'd
Posted Jun 26th 2009 12:30PM by TMZ Staff

The doctor who was with Michael Jackson at the time of his death has been identified as a cardiologist from Houston, Texas.

KHOU in Houston reports the man is Dr. Conrad Robert Murray, who had been living with Jackson in his rented mansion. We're told Murray attempted to revive Michael until paramedics showed up at the scene.

The station reports the car that was towed from Michael's house last night was registered to Murray's sister. Law enforcement is looking for the doctor so they can question him.

http://www.tmz.com/

Jackson's Missing Doc To Speak with Cops
Posted Jun 26th 2009 2:00PM by TMZ Staff

We have just learned Dr. Conrad Robert Murray -- the guy who was with Jackson when he collapsed -- is now in Los Angeles.

He is preparing to speak with law enforcement officials regarding Michael Jackson's death.

http://www.tmz.com/

Michael Jackson -- The 911 Call
Posted Jun 26th 2009 2:07PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has just received a tape of the Michael Jackson 911 call made yesterday at 12:21 PM from Michael's house in Holmby Hills, Ca.

The person who makes the call says Jackson was not breathing and unconscious. Jackson was not responding to CPR. The caller says the doctor on scene -- Dr. Conrad Murray -- was the only witness -- "The doctor has been the only one here."

http://www.tmz.com/

Here is the 911 call....

Thanks for link no rose

911 call
http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/062609_michael_2.mp3

source
 http://www.tmz.com/

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Sorry, my bad, meant to say Northern Rose... ::MonkeyConfused::

In addition to a broken vertebrae & broken leg he had suffered.   This man was in pain, used & abused on several levels and tormented.  I had a long post yesterday because I've seen a ton of criticism and a need to still break this man down even in death but chose to express myself a bit differently.  While it can easily be said that this bright eyed soft spoken shy young boy from a poor background held by an iron fist father with incomparable talent turned into an oddity in certain respects, no one can take away what he contributed to this world thru his artistry.   There is no one on the planet with a sharp tongue & condemnation of him based on allegations by money driven individuals of questionable characters themselves can say they accomplished a small percentage of what he did over the course of a few decades.  I can almost guarantee that his death was a combination of his driving need to make a comeback after being totally destroyed (justified or not) but had people around him yet once again that were willing to drug him up & push him beyond his health could bare...as we speak they have towed away the car of his in-house doctor & speculation now is that he was given an overdose of Demerol.  Why?  Because money hungry parasites once again were using him for their financial gain, they knew a successful comeback would skyrocket MJ's brand yet once again.   Just maybe we should pause that the same man that has been villified by the public is also equally revered by people that knew him personally, with accolades worthy of reflection during his life and now in his death, it just makes one have to think.  While he is getting wall-to-wall coverage for a variety of reasons yesterday & today whether people like him or not, believe allegations or not his achievements in the music industry & how he reached out to his fans are of a massive global scale that no other artist has or will ever accomplish, and trust me as a huge fan of Elvis Presley and others that is a massive statement inandofitself.    Ironically, despite the crosses he beared & scrutiny he lived under he forgave his father and others that hurt his heart...sadly he's left us without a joyous encore.

A moment to reflect on the legacy of Michael Jackson as an artist.   Michael contributed hit after hit with a soft but powerful voice, if you listen to many of his lyrics later in his career they mirror reflections of his own thoughts, emotions he felt during a course of life that can only be described as unique to only him "The King of Pop" & yet all his fans could relate to on some level.   Throughout his career he incorporated a humanitarian reflection of the world which one can glean he studied often at times from a bubble his fame forced him to be in looking out, Black and White, Heal the World, Childhood - a driving force in the "We Are the World" project & over the course of his lifetime other acts of kindness towards mankind despite how often he was personally attacked.  His level of performance at his best was awe inspiring in what seemed to be of endless energy, yet off stage he was as frail as one could be.   His contributions to dance broke thru R&B, crossed over into rock style at times, signature moves & then he took a revolutionary new style emerging in the 70's of "popping and locking" to a level that young dancers not only attempted to emulate but held to a standard very few could come close to pulling off in the dynamic fashion he did.  When on stage this slightly built but larger than life man was electric.  His mind was brilliant in many respects despite an obvious child-like component, as evidenced with his break thru music videos that he mastered as short film masterpieces set to his tracks, the world in much anticipation came to a crawl when Thriller premiered, he did not disappoint & that album's records will probably never be broken in sales, platinum a few dozen times over.  Ironically, in his death the new age of the internet came to almost a crawl as well, a true testament to his larger than life persona.  His videos took a young music network (MTV) to new levels & artists around the world took their inspiration from his creativity in relaying their music to their audience, yes he indeed was the pioneer of the music video dating back well before its time, evidenced by early ones in the late 70's.   His music legacy crossed boundaries & was boundless, it is just a shame that the reality of him being just a flawed man under great scrutiny and expectation could not survive at the same level of performance.   A tragic figure, maybe but an icon he will always be...today I offer "You Are Not Alone"

Thanks, and thanks for your post. ( "If you think that the case of Anna Nicole Smith was an abuse, it is nothing in comparison to what we have seen in Michael Jackson's life," Oxman told CNN. )  Now that statement is truly horrific, I can't even imagine. What we have here is more enablers, doctors enabling, so forth and so on. Money can truly buy you enabling doctors, and enabling friends, very sad. But my thoughts are with the three innocent children.

Tks NoRose it came from the heart & with much reflection.  I am extremely concerned for his children, no doubt Debbie will come out of the woodwork again & the vultures will be swarming.  While Lisa Marie seems devastated with his passing it definitely does not go unnoticed that she & her mother could offer his family some sound advise on how not to be exploited & to protect themselves.   Im not sure what their relationship to the Jacksons is but they need sound, decent people around them to advise them how to handle the enormity of what is to come.

Breaking:   Police seized bags of drugs, reported xanax, zooloft & demerol.  Pressure pushed back but expected in 60-90 minutes.   Possibly news on funeral arrangements later today.

Well Xanax and Zoloft I can see him taking, but how much demerol will be interesting to see. And I bet there are more drugs than that. How does someone that tiny be able to take that many drugs over the years? Very disturbing.

Neil Cavuto reporting MJ music, video & DVDS are skyrocketing within the past day to the tune of 721x than they were before the days before his death.   The House of Representatives gave him a moment of silence in chambers today, the President sent condolences to the family.

(After Jackson was acquitted on child molestation charges in 2005, prosecutors argued against returning to Jackson items including syringes, the drug Demerol and prescriptions for various drugs, mainly antibiotics, in different people's names.)   Why so many different antibiotics? Anyone know why one would be wanting antibiotics?

VERY, especially they are administered by another person.   This doctor reportedly has a license in Neveda and another state, it was not mentioned if he was licensed in Cali.   For whatever consent MJ had in taking meds, it was his doctors & advisors responsibility to make sure they were administered within recommended doses & customized to MJ's stature and overall health issues.

And now on one of the cable news shows while I was channel surfing, a doctor in Texas.

He probably had a low immune system, he was sick often so they say.  I have a low immune system due to a medical condition.   I often suffer in the way of deep maximillary sinus infections, ear infections on occasion bladder.   It was also speculated that he suffered some sort of spider bite during his trial & other ailments - the stress probably compromised any physical symptomatology he suffered.   Having an addiction to painkillers and other medications would accelerate his health issues to worsen.

Very good post, Capp, you never cease to amaze me with your knowledge....

Michael Jackson didn't need to die, again it seems a doctor was feeding an addiction instead of administering the support Michael Jackson desperately needed. He was addicted to painkillers everyone knew that, and everyone who enabled him are responsible. It just goes to show that if you are famous or rich enough people will happily let you commit your own destruction for their own 15mins of fame or financial gain. RIP Michael at least you are at peace now. So sad...

Totally agree, he certainly isn't the first that this has happened to, and he won't be the last  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Waiting for report from cornoner coming up shortly on Cnn  - 4:21.

Debbie Rowe just weighed in with a statement

Lawyer: Debbie Rowe, mother of 2 of Michael Jackson's children, is inconsolable
LOS ANGELES — A lawyer who represented Debbie Rowe in a custody matter says the mother of two of Michael Jackson's three children is inconsolable.

Attorney Iris Finsilver says she was the one who told Rowe of Jackson's death.

The attorney says she isn't currently representing Rowe, but has no doubt Rowe will seek custody of the children.

Finsilver says she doesn't know if Rowe has been having visits with the children, Prince Michael Joseph Jackson and Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson. Rowe and Jackson married in 1996 and divorced in 1999.

Finsilver says Rowe is trying to grasp the fact that Jackson has died. She says Rowe loved Jackson for a long time.

In a prepared statement released by Finsilver, Rowe calls Jackson "a beautiful and loving soul."


Well geez that is not a shock, she's after a nice chunk of child support & other perks...sorry where was she during these childrens lives, a real mother wouldnt be persuaded with no amount of money in the world one way or another.  To me her kind words are nothing but a transparent attempt to seek what she's always wanted & its not raising these children...that is all I have to say right now regarding it.

Thanks for the report on the autopsy report. If Debbie R takes her two kids, which I have no doubt she will, wonder what will happen with the youngest. If it is true that he didn't have a will, which is just plain stupid, this should get interesting.

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How was there not a doctor available to sign a death certificate when one was there at the house administering demerol to begin with.   Coroner's office has not talked to any of MJ's doctors...

Very strange.....
It's going to come down to what everyone is thinking.  MJ's doc gave him to much of the demerol.....JMO ::MonkeyShocked::

I think I heard Oxman and someone else say he did have a will, I havent seen a confirmation yet.

There is such conflicting reports depending on what you are listening to or reading. Let's hope there is a will.

Yes, and then combine all the other crap he was taking.

Jackson Family Will Fight Rowe Tooth and Nail
Posted Jun 26th 2009 6:44PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's family will wage an epic battle to make sure Paris and Michael Jr. do not end up in the custody of one Debbie Rowe -- this according to family members who spoke with TMZ.

The family is currently gathered together and they are reacting to our story this morning that Rowe never legally gave up her custody rights. Under California law, Rowe is in a position to get custody of her biological kids if she wants them, provided it would not be detrimental to the children.

The family complained to us the kids don't even know Debbie Rowe -- she hasn't been a part of their lives. They say the kids must remain "within the family."

They can say all they want that the kids must remain within the family, and maybe they should, but I don't think it is going to go the way the Jackson family wants it to.

And the Jacksons will prevail not by financial advantage but on principle, I have no doubts about that.   The childrens wishes especially due to their ages will have great weight in a judge's decision, number one.   There will be testimony that this woman was not in their lives.  Moreover, the fact that they are well cared for with the Jacksons and hired assistants for many years will overcome this "biological" claim in this case.  Another factor will also be that the three children have always been together as siblings & should not be separated by this absentee mother making a convenient claim to them now with the sheer intent to obtain a piece of the MJ estate.

Good afternoon, monkeys.

So sad that a wonderful talent is no longer.  Stunning, although not surprising, as we've all watched Michael Jackson waste his life away year-after-year.  One would have thought that he woud have tried to kick the drugs after obtaining the children he wanted so badly.
How sad it is for those three little children to not have their father any longer.

That being said, IMO, this will be the biggest donnybrook you've ever seen.  The Jackson family is a very dysfunctional family and will get hysterical over every little thing going forward.  IMO, they will try to keep every little detail about MJ's death from the fans; i.e., we heard on HLN last night that Michael's father and another man was with him at the time (today on the news all we hear is that the doctor ONLY was with him); we heard that the family knew around 10 a.m. yesterday that MJ was deceased but that 911 wasn't called for a couple of hours (today we hear that MJ collapased around 11:30 a.m.).  At any rate and whatever the truth, it seems that the controversial deaths of stars are always centered around whoever is with the deceased person at the time, panics and tries to figure out what to do and takes a long time before 911 is ever called.  We also heard from Diane Diamond that she was told that MJ was cold to the touch by the time the emergency operaters got to the home (sorry to be so graphic).  Yet, the doctor at the scene, insisted that CPR continue for 45 minutes before MJ was removed and then that continued for another hour at the hospital.  Sad...sad....sad...

Debbie Rowe, according to TMZ, has ever right under the law to make a claim to her children.  She put up a pretty good fight to see them some years ago but was unsuccessful in court.  It was widely touted that she signed off all legal right; evidently, accourding to TMZ, that did NOT happen and she can make claim.  The Jackson family has already released to the news that they will fight tooth and nail for the children.  Of course they will, maybe even out of true love and devotion to the children.  But certainly out of a dysfunctional family process to get to MJ's money....as he has kept all of them up for low these many years.

We're going to see many unusual, wild, odd things happening for months and months to come. (Think another version of the Anthony's show with dysfunctional family members, even though it will be dealing with different circumstances).

About the demoral, it is my understanding that "injected demoral" should be given in the case of a patient having undergone surgery.  Not for a patient that broke a leg or vertebrae in the distant past.  Myself, I question the doctor who gave those injections.

If this is another case of a star being over-medicated and building up a residue of drugs to the point that the body goes into shallow breathing and eventually stops breathing, I hope all of those enablers (not just the doctor) around MJ are seriously looked into in a criminal way.

Just like with Anna Nichol, here we go again. And yes by California law, those children should go to Debbie. Now, at the same time because the three children know and love grandma, and it would be a shame to break them up. This will be a three ring circus.

That appears to be what has transpired & reportedly the family was trying to get a successful intervention in Las Vegas weeks prior.  He had long battled chronic pain & an addition to painkillers, this is not recent.  The company that was financing MJ's comeback/farewell concert series supplied this doctor & the rental of the home in LA recently, along with a reported 300 million dollar loan to get MJ out of debts he owed.  There was ample motiviation by many who vested in his much anticipated comeback, he faults as well for not recognizing the trouble he was in depending on presciption drugs to the extent he did & his desire to up and over many dark years he battled (justified or not).

As far as comparing the Anthonys to the Jacksons, I dont think Katherine Jackson or some of MJ's siblings deserves that insult, IMHO but I do recognize the correlation to dysfunction, its just at entirely different levels & points of blame.   Interesting to note in the magnitude of this story Natasha Lance of Nancy Grace is in Gary, Indiana to cover it which is one of a very few times she was taken off the Anthony story in Orlando in over a year.  Michael's death will be a headliner until he's laid to rest with much as secondary news but even his legacy will not sustain wall-to-wall coverage much beyond that, from that point forward it will trickle down to a scaled down coverage minus court appearances, etc. that will be future highlights here and there.  If we want to talk sad, the fact that Jada was found murdered in the same town he was born in & is hardly in the news today is not his fault but its a sad commentary on how our media feels that constant reguritation of a big story is necessary in order to give justice to it.   

I beg to differ with TMZ (an entertainment news/gossip site) regardless of Harry Levine's previous ambulance chasing law days...I would never give a mother that legally or otherwise walked away from being actively involved in her children's lives, a real mother fights for her privilege of being a parent & for the sake of her children despite all odds or money waved in front of her, most judges would agree.  These children are now 12, 11 and 7 of which she has little to no contact with, in the end that was her choice and Michael's death does not trump that glaring absence nor will her desire to tap into his estate via custody trump what his children's wishes are.   As to those that will bicker over his estate & future earnings with his music & memorabilia skyrocketing, his children should and will come first as heirs even up and over anything contested in probate, family or civil courts so they maintain the lifestyle of which they are accustomed to & are entitled to as his children, debts will be paid after those considerations are made.   While his blood relatives do have a right to protect his estate even under scrutiny that they lived a lifetime off of his fortune what not even they can do is take that away from his children.  If ever there was a case, a guardian ad litem should be appointed for each of his children & in the interest of all of them equally.  Then again, who am I, we'll have to see how it plays out.  But yes I agree, it will be extremely messy & a long-term exercise in litigation.

They've been talking on TV about "bags of prescription drugs"being taken away from MJ's home....just like Anna Nicole's hotel room.

I understand about over aboundance of prescription drugs and the problems they have obviously caused in many circumstances; however,

can you get a prescription and go to the pharmacy and pickup "demoral for injection"??

Capp, I totally agree with you about the need for a guardian ad litem in this case.  I do believe this will become the circus of all circus' in the fight for MJ's children and that it will drag out and go on-and-on.  I surely hope I am wrong on this.  I would love to see a peaceful transition for the children.

During all the reports today, I've heard that the "judge" will make the decision about the children, no matter what a Will would indicate (IF there is a will) and no matter what any family member thinks (whether it be a grandparent or a mother).  Do you know if that is true?

It hit me as a strange statement when Oxman was asked if MJ had a Will and he said that would be estate planning and he wouldn't know about that (not that I would think Oxman would have handled the Will....but that he didn't know...he comes across as being soooo close to the family and in the know).

Something is really wrong with this picture

Michael Jackson's Doc Quit Medical Practice
Posted Jun 26th 2009 8:28PM by TMZ Staff

We just got a letter that Michael Jackson's doctor sent to his patients 11 days ago, announcing that he will be indefinitely leaving his medical practice.

Dr. Conrad Murray sent the note on his letterhead from his medical practice in Las Vegas. He says, "I am deeply saddened to leave you at this point, but please know my absence is not permanent." He continues, "In my absence, I will continue to manage the practice, and be involved as much as possible but from a distance."

The letter says "My absence is not permanent."
We're told AEG -- the company that was putting on the London concerts -- put Dr. Murray on the payroll. (as I previously mentioned)

Read entire letter here:  http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jacksons-doc-quit-medical-practice/

I was just listening to Fox News talking about the 9ll call and the doctor.  The 911 call they said the doctor was performing CPR on the "bed" (it should be done on the floor or a hard surface).  Talk has been all day that the doctor performed CPR for 45 minutes (a unbelievable amount of time).  And...that MJ started succumbing shortly after the demoral injection.

I'm thinking that the doctor is in a lot of trouble here and probably will not return to his practice. 

Not to mention this guy is a cardiologist, like OMG!   You never perform CPR on a bed, you're right Puzz in fact I think in the 911 call the instructions were to move him to the floor (it was too late by then).  I have an issue with the time it took to call 911, should have been within the first 5 minutes & even then often its already too late.   Repotedly he performed CPR to the hospital & was in the hospital so its odd that he left.  To my knowledge, this Dr Murray has yet to talk to LAPD & was "missing" but supposedly back in LA (where did he go and why).  The car he was driving was his sister's, a cardiologist having to borrow his sister's car, seriously?  Word is that this doctor used lidocaine.   Why didnt he have defib, they are not expensive.  TMZ and video showed that LAPD met with the family late this afternoon to discuss the circumstances of MJ's death.   I know there has been so much speculation about Michael over the years, but the people around him this topping it off, its really starting to tick me off to no end.

On Greta (she's at his rental house), Adam Housley reported  earlier that it is believed he will be transferred from the coroner to the mortuary by midnight tonight, since its over the weekend it would have to wait until Monday otherwise so breaking news of that transfer may happen still this evening.  I'm sure they waiting for the latest hour or may try a ruse to keep media and looking loos from getting too close.  A program note Greta is doing a speical tomrrow night live from LA.

I did see Dr. Perper on one of the shows commenting on the coroner's statments. He is thinking the toxicology results will show the cause of death. They know what drugs were in his system, not what levels of those drugs. My best guess here is toxic and of course fatal levels.
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Seems as if alot of persons earned their living off of Michael. How does someone with so much earning power become so far into debt ? Sure he spent it, but didn't he have business managers in charge ? 

Good question, but now out will come all the money hungry family, friends, etc. It is being reported there are 100 songs that Michael wrote, that he kept for his children, and to be released after his demise. This will be a mess.

hubby and I were just talking this morning about the wealth that Michael has gone through...but when you pay someone to hold an umbrella over your head instead of holding it yourself, that adds up... ::MonkeyConfused:: also, can't you imagine all of the others that he had on his payroll? this is going to be a mess...but I heard also that they could turn Neverland into another Graceland as a money earner...that would make sense to me ...but you would have to have someone handling it like Priscilla Presley..not someone who will be greedy and take all the money for themselves...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529185,00.html
What Will Happen to Michael Jackson's Children, and His Fortune?
Friday, June 26, 2009
By Joseph Abrams
The King of Pop is dead, and now begins what could turn into a legal battle over the custody of his three children — and what remains of his once-vast fortune.

Michael Jackson, who spent a lifetime and countless millions trying to recapture his lost childhood, has left his own children in legal limbo following his sudden death Thursday at a rented Los Angeles home, apparently of cardiac arrest.

Family associates and legal experts see a storm brewing over the care of 12-year-old Michael Joseph "Prince" Jackson Jr., 11-year-old Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and 7-year-old Prince Michael II Jackson.Michael Jr. and Paris were in Jackson's sole custody following his 1999 divorce from Debbie Rowe, the children's biological mother. His third child, whom he affectionately called "Blanket," was born to an unknown surrogate who also waived her parental rights.

But it is not known whether Jackson ever wrote a will delineating who would have custody of his children or his estate when he died. He is survived by his parents, his ex-wife Rowe and his eight siblings. His first wife, Lisa-Marie Presley, is not expected to lay claim to any part of his estate.
Many lawyers and associates contacted by FOX News say they believe it was Jackson's intention for his children to pass to his mother, Katherine, the matriarch of the Jackson clan whom Jackson referred to as his "life and soul."

"I do not know of any kind of will or estate planning that Michael would have made," said Brian Oxman, a Jackson family lawyer. "But I know that he believed that if anything ever happened to him that his mother was a wonderful caretaker."

Debra Opri, a former Jackson family spokeswoman who represented photographer Larry Birkhead in his successful suit for custody of Birkhead's child with Anna Nicole Smith, agreed.

Katherine Jackson has been "a fantastic mother to a very large group, and I think these kids will be under her care and they're going to be OK," Opri said. "For a long time now things have been in place as to who would be raising the kids."
But the story may be complicated, as was always the case with the perennially beleaguered King of Pop. The judge who granted sole custody to Jackson in a 2005 dispute with Rowe reportedly reversed that decision over a technicality, according to TMZ, meaning Rowe could be first in line for custody of her biological children.

But Rowe, who reportedly was pushing for a larger settlement from Jackson during the 2005 hearings, stated clearly in court documents that she had no interest in taking her children.

"They're his kids. They're not my kids," she said. "I don't have any rights."

Some child advocates say Rowe's custody would prove detrimental to the children, and they believe she will never gain control of them.

"There's no judge on the planet that would give a woman like that custody of these children. She basically treated them like loaves of bread," said Wendy Murphy, a prosecutor and child advocate, who noted that 20 years of legal trends indicate that the contract will win out.

At stake is more than just family love. Jackson, who was believed to be $400 million in debt, also held giant assets, including the rights to his own mega-hits and a 50 percent stake in the company that owns the majority of the Beatles' catalog.
"Whoever does have custody of the children ultimately will have access to whatever remains of his estate," said Murphy. "Katherine, I think, if there is no will, will probably prevail because she's probably the relative that the courts will see as most appropriate."

But Katherine's claims could be put on hold if rumors of her poor health prove true and the courts determine she is not fit to care for her grandchildren, Murphy added.

Despite the potential potholes, some friends and associates said it was a cut-and-dried case that would not take long to resolve, even if Jackson had not written a will or left proper instructions for the maintenance of his estate.

"It is always complicated when there is not a will, but I can assure you that Michael Jackson crossed his T's and dotted his I's when it came to his children," Opri told FOXNews.com. "That means he made sure that there's something in writing saying who is going to take care of the kids and what was going to be done for them."

As sales of Jackson's records and memorabilia soar — Amazon.com reported a huge spike Friday over usual sales of his CDs and DVDs — it is possible that his very passing could help ensure that in death he eventually recovers from the massive debt he incurred in life, and provide financial comfort for his family.

But even then, Jackson might have thrown another fly in the ointment. Rumors persist that he planned to will the rights to the Beatles' songs to Paul McCartney, who never forgave Jackson when he bought the Fab Four's own songs out from under him in 1985.

I just heard on the news that Jackson had wanted his longtime nanny of his children to keep his children if anything happened to him...another twist perhaps...hopefully he had a will which states what his wishes would be...poor kids...they have to be so bewildered and upset...

I heard that too, but if that isn't in a will, I don't see that ever happening. Maybe if grandma gets the kids, the nanny will stay on to help, that would make sense. But sense isn't going to be part of this, Debbie will be in the mix.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Michael Jackson's Demerol Tonic
Posted Jun 27th 2009 9:59AM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson had a habit of getting Demerol injections -- he even had a special name for them.

We're told Jackson called it "health tonic." He would have a doctor inject him because, we're told, he didn't like needles.

Our sources have told us Jackson was injected with Demerol at 11:30 AM the day he died. Shortly thereafter Jackson went into cardiac arrest.

You'll recall, Jackson also had a name for wine -- Jesus juice.
(How do you inject someone with Demerol without a needle. Or does this mean, he was afraid of needles, but wasn't afraid of needles if a doctor injected him?) There is something real fishy going on here. When all this was happening on Thursday, my daughter called and said on Twitter that Michael commited suicide, now I said no way. But a strange thought entered my mind, what if this was an assisted suicide? May sound crazy, and we may never no anyway. Why would a doctor be giving CPR on a bed? To many questions, and answers will not come truthfully in my opinion.

Cops Seek 2nd Person in Jackson Investigation
Posted Jun 27th 2009 12:06PM by TMZ Staff

Cops want to talk to a second person in their investigation into Michael Jackson's death.

Sources tell TMZ police want to talk to Dr. Tohme Tohme about an "alleged indirect connection" between prescription drugs and MJ's passing.

Dr. Tohme says he's Jackson's longtime friend and manager. He tells us, "I don't have anything to do with his (Michael's) medication or health. This is B.S. -- why should I talk to police?"

Police also plan to interview Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray.

(And this is going to keep on getting weirder)

LOS ANGELES —  Most of Michael Jackson's family members have gathered in their Encino compound, where they are contemplating funeral arrangements and caring for his three children. They are feeling confused, upset and angry by the lack of information about those who were around the pop superstar in his final days, a person close to the family told The Associated Press.

Jackson's family wants to know more specifics about what role AEG, the concert promoter that was staging his 50-date concert series at London's 02 Arena, was playing in his life, said the person, who requested anonymity because of the delicate nature of the situation. They also want to know more about the role of his advisers and representatives, who they believe were put in place by the promoter.

Jackson never communicated to his family who he had in place to handle his business affairs, the person said, adding that they were told by the singer's phalanx of advisers that the singer likely had a will, but it may be many years old. The family is distrustful of what they are being told — but they are determined to find out more, the person said.

PHOTOS: Click here for photos of Michael Jackson.

"There are decisions going down without the family being in the loop; it's becoming an issue," the person said.

Randy Phillips, AEG Live president and chief executive, said earlier Friday that it was Jackson who insisted that Dr. Conrad Murray, a financially troubled cardiologist who was with the entertainer when he collapsed Thursday, be put on the tour payroll.

"As a company, we would have preferred not having a physician on staff full-time because it would have been cheaper without the hotels and travel, but Michael was insistent that he be hired," Phillips said. "Michael said he had a rapport with him."

Jackson collapsed Thursday at his rented home in Los Angeles. Police seized Murray's car in search of evidence, but have insisted that the doctor has been cooperative and do not consider him a criminal suspect.

Records reveal years of financial troubles for Murray, who practices medicine in California, Nevada and Texas; his Nevada medical practice, Global Cardiovascular Associates, was slapped with more than $400,000 in court judgments, and he faces at least two other pending cases and several tax liens.

The person close to the family said that while there were reports that the singer was distant from his family, Jackson spoke with his mother Katherine quite regularly and his father, Joe, had seen his son shortly before his death. His other eight siblings, including fellow superstar Janet, may not have talked to him recently but were not estranged.

Much of the family was holed up Friday inside the Jackson family's Encino compound, including his three children, according to the person, who described them as doing looking "pretty good."

"I don't think it's fully set in yet," the person said.

No family members were present in the mansion when Jackson died Thursday, the person close to the family said. In the 911 call released by fire officials Friday, an unidentified caller tells a dispatcher that Jackson's doctor is performing CPR.

Asked by the dispatcher whether anyone saw what happened, the caller answers: "No, just the doctor, sir. The doctor has been the only one there."

Coroner's officials said they released Jackson's body to his family late Friday night. The family is still trying to determine what kind of memorial to have for Jackson and when, and are debating between the idea of having a private ceremony or a grand celebration open to the public, the person close to the family said.

Jackson appeared to have suffered a heart attack, another person with knowledge of the situation who was not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity told the AP on Friday. A heart attack is a blocking of the arteries that deprives the heart of adequate blood and can cause cardiac arrest.

Jackson's brother Jermaine said Thursday that it was believed the pop singer went into cardiac arrest, an interruption of the normal heartbeat that can be caused by factors other than heart attack.

The Los Angeles County coroner's office, which completed its autopsy Friday, said there were no signs of foul play or trauma, but determining the cause of death will require further tests that will take six to eight weeks.

Phillips said AEG Live held multiple insurance policies covering cancellation of the shows, and that some time in February Jackson submitted to several hours of physicals that the insurance underwriter insisted upon, and that Jackson passed them all.

"We had pretty good coverage, but a lot of it is going to depend on the toxicology results," he said. "We need to know what the cause of death was."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529245,00.html

Programming note:   Greta will be live tonight & Geraldo will have coverage on Foxnews cable

yes...Mrs. Jackson and the nanny will be a good choice I think..
and yes...Debbie will be there with her hand out...she should never get those kids...she didn't want them to begin with..they were $$ only to her jmo.

FOXNEWS CABLE BREAKING:   Moving vans are at the rented mansion (I see on 3 on video) - Janet Jackson has also arrived to MJ's rented mansion.

Tito: 'Jackson Family Meeting Underway'
Posted Jun 27th 2009 1:05PM by TMZ Staff
http://www.tmz.com/
We've just spoken to Tito Jackson who tells us the Jackson family is currently together and discussing funeral arrangements for Michael.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/06/0627_tito_jackson_getty_80024347_ex3.jpg)
Tito says the family is spending quality time together today and discussing plans about Michael's funeral. He tells us MJ's kids are in "good spirits."

We asked if there were plans for a public memorial, in addition to the private service -- Tito said that option was being discussed now.

Amazon and Barnes & Nobles sales are still skyrocketing with MJ music, DVD's and books.

that sure didn't take long!

Well, with the key word being rented & the fact that this promotion company made these arrangements I would imagine his family (any family) would protect his personal belongings with consideration of what some would think to sell if they got their money grubbing hands on them.

Breaking news:  Family is requesting a second autopsy.  They do not think they have gotten all the answers, and they want to know exactly who was in the house as well as the role AEG played.   Keep in mind the family tried an intervention in Las Vegas a few weeks back & at other times to get MJ proper help for his prescription drug addiction.

This is what is the latest on TMZ:

Second Autopsy for Michael Jackson
Posted Jun 27th 2009 2:47PM by TMZ Staff

A source close to the family of Michael Jackson tells TMZ the family has requested a second autopsy -- and it is currently underway somewhere in Los Angeles.

The Los Angeles County Coroner conducted an autopsy on Friday and while he said there was "no indication of foul play," the official cause of death could not be determined.

Story developing ...

TMZ spoke with one of Murray's lawyers who told us Dr. Murray will meet with the LAPD today at 4:00 PM. Murray's lawyer, Matt Alford, says Murray is NOT considered by cops to be a suspect, and at this point it is not a criminal investigation.

Alford tells us cops want Dr. Murray to help piece together a timeline of the day's events.

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TIME Mag Rushes Out Jackson Issue
Posted Jun 27th 2009 1:45PM by TMZ Staff

Here is your first look at the cover of the Michael Jackson commemorative issue of TIME magazine being rushed to newsstands Monday morning.

http://www.tmz.com/

Second autopsy would be the smart thing to do, and whoever is doing the second autopsy isn't going to be truthful anyway to the public I'm sure. Spin, spin and more spin.

I cannot comprehend that acknowledging any self-motivating contribution that Michael Jackson has made to society when you stop and consider the child victim of a pedophile.

A young man who began attending our church in his teens ... is forced to live the rest of his life with the devastating emotional effects of sexual abuse that occurred at the hand of a trusted family friend.  The nightmare is ongoing and negatively affects every aspect of his life in regards to trusting relationships.

At the time of the Michael Jackson trial ... when it was revealed that 24 million had already been paid out in out-of-court settlements to past child accusers ... when it was revealed on American television from Michael Jackson's own lips while holding the hand of his accuser that he felt it was beautiful to share his bed with children that were not his own ... this young member of our congregation ... angerly threw out every Michael Jackson album he had accumulated and ... so did his circle of friend who empathized.  They all made a pledge ... in the name of child sexually abuse ... they would never again listen to Michael Jackson's music.

IMO

Sincerely, Janet

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Here is the issue I have with the first molestation case. As far as I know, there were never any charges laid. The plaintiff went to lawyers. Gloria Alred and her daughter Lisa Bloom. It was settled for 20 million dollars. Now that MJ has passed, Lisa Bloom disclosed the amount on CNN. It was previously undisclosed. I did watch some of the antics for the second trial which must have been on Nancy Grace when she first got her show. That was in 2005 ? There was no conviction. Maybe there was a settlement. 
Michael Jackson was an odd person. If there was any substance to some of the things that were said about him, why no criminal conviction ? Ever.
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My belief is that some of these parents who let their children be around Michael Jackson and THEN cried foul let their children be with Michael for the specific reason to extort money from him.
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I am not saying whether he did what was alleged or not. I am trying to make a point about how I felt about the first lawsuit and what the motivation was for some of the other things that have been said.
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He is dead and away from our world where there was so much torment for him. No one can go after him now for any of that stuff. They can go after his estate for unpaid bills and financial claims, but nothing criminal to do with any sort of allegations.   
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I realize that there is the persona as an entertainer and what he really was.
I don't know what he really was and it is not much of a concern to me as I had no contact with him.

I could not argue at all with you. I realize the contribution he made in music, but quite honestly I have never gotten past these accusations, and his behavior. Sick to me, and I will leave it at that.

Kat

I agree with one aspect of your post.  I believe the mothers of these young accusers sacrificed their children on the altar of Michael Jackson and ... I believe that their motivations were self-serving from many aspects.

Janet

Think about it.

Is there one poster on this forum ... whether or not there had been an acquittal ... who would have thought it a “beautiful thing” for his/her young nephew, son, grandson to have slept in the same bed as Michael Jackson?

Is there one poster on this forum ... whether or not there had been an acquittal ... who would be lifing Michael Jackson up onto a pedestal if his/her nephew, son or grandson made an accusation of sexual abuse and … had was right on as far as identifying specifics in regards to his genitals?

Janet

I found it all very upsetting then, and I find it all very upsetting now. If I had a young son, I can assure he would not be near him. And I don't care what excuses his lawyers and people who knew him made up for him, I just don't care.

Moving Van Spotted at Jackson's Home
Posted Jun 27th 2009 4:48PM by TMZ Staff

A moving van was seen leaving the home of Michael Jackson this afternoon after, we're told, his father Joe ordered Michael's belongings removed from the home and put in a storage facility.

Could the quick removal of Michael Jackson's belongings during the grieving process be considered "damage control"?

Janet

+++++++

Jackson jury sees
nude boy images
Books were seized in
1993 raid on Neverland

Jurors were shown the covers of the two books during questioning of Los Angeles police Detective Rosibel Smith, who found the books in a locked filing cabinet in Jackson’s master bedroom.

One book, called “Boys Will Be Boys,” featured an image of fair-haired boys in swimsuits jumping into water.

The book contained an inscription written by Jackson: “Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys’ faces, this is the spirit of boyhood, a life I’ve never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children.”

The jury also was shown the cover of a book called “The Boy: A Photographic Essay.” It also contained an inscription that said: “To Michael from your (heart symbol) fan, XXXOOO, ’Rhonda.”’ The note was dated 1983.

Smith said both books featured boys “playing, swimming, jumping.”

Prosecutor Ron Zonen said earlier that one book was about 90 percent pictures of nude boys and the other about 10 percent

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7681758/

Damage control would be my guess. It is hard to imagine the LAPD would be done with the house so fast.

I agree.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe that the high profile attorneys retained by the Jacksons can be very intimidating to local law enforcement from a legal perspective.  The implications of wrong decisions that could be legally challenged could be very far reaching.

Janet

The property was RENTED. He was rehearsing in LA and rented the property as it was close to the Staples Centre.
Michael Jackson's belongings were in there.
His next of kin are protecting those belongings. The belongings were are going into storage.
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I just read on TMZ that the accuser, Evan Chandler has now recanted. Of course there is no source. lol
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I am against pedophiles. I am also against all of the other nonsense that went on for and against Michael Jackson during that trial. He was weird
and seemed to be a different species.

I'm just trying to find if the LAPD is done with the house. It is hard to imagine they are, but they must be. Wherever these belongings are going, there better be a lot of security at the storage facility.  ::MonkeyEek::

I am not trying to stir the pot, although I am. So I am going to knock it off shortly.
I do not trust the LAPD. Or any " evidence " they produced in prior circuses.
As for what he did for humanity, he entertained people. That was his job.
He also got entertainers together and did the We Are The World and raised millions for charity.
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My SIL, being silly wanted to know if " Bubbles"  was going to go to the funeral. Picture that one ! I almost expect CNN to go to where Bubbles lives and check it out !

 

To respond as a poster to questions posed to those that want to weigh in:

While everyone is entitled to their opinion, negative ones towards his guilt or innocence of pedophilia the key word "alleged" keeps getting omitted.  As a child advocate myself, while I grapple with whether any of the accusations against him were true (he was found not guilty) the fact remains that the people that brought these charges also had self-motivated reasons which were proven, not to mention a mother making a claim was found guilty of welfare fraud.  He settled in the first case reportedly because he had the overwhelming means to do it & that is what the father was after to begin with (again proven), MJ wanted it to go away.   Would I have allowed my children to stay at Neverland under a cloud of suspicion, absolutely not.  Do I think he had poor judgment as to what he felt was okay to do regarding  children without scrutiny, absolutely but what I cannot say in all fairness is that he is indeed guilty of actually assaulting children.  Is there a chance he did, of course but that doesnt make it fact.  Do I admire his incomparable talent, definitely.  Do I agree with, condone or understand his lifestyle, no.  Do I know people that were sexually abused by a ped, you bet I have - for that matter I had my own experience with my step father & saw many cases of it working as a CASA volunteer, however I separate those issues of factuality from what I cannot say for certain transpired JMO

He is being paid homage for his vast & record breaking contributions in the music industry, his death has questionable aspects to it that may turn criminal, he has 3 minor children that are heirs to his estate & had a mother that did not fight to be in their lives but took money instead.  His contributions to 39 charities & other acts of kindness cannot be ignored either, they were very generous & again of vast proportion (like this local story out of the Orlando area http://www.wftv.com/news/19872685/detail.html ).   Was he tormented from being abused himself, yes.  Was he an odd man with eccentricities we will never understand, of course.   Was he taken advantage of by many & a target due to his wealth, that answer is obviously yes.  No one in the media or that I have seen is calling him a hero (well minus his most fanatic fans that is), the coverage is both complimentary & critical but it is indeed a worldwide story due to his persona, music & lifestyle that reached around the world like no other artist before him or ever will again. 

Evidently they released it or it would have been sealed off.  LAPD was with the family yesterday late afternoon, so I would imagine they were asked when the family could go in and get his personal belongings.  Reportedly LAPD has finally had a chance to talk to the doctor with his newly hired attorney (hmmm) and are looking for another doctor they would like to talk to as well.

Well I know I don't trust the LAPD, and I believe Bubbles now resides in Florida, I just read that, and then I just read Bubbles is dead. So I'm not sure about Bubbles  ::MonkeyEek::

I'm very curious about that other doctor, the one who has the same first and last name. I'm also waiting to hear any info on the second autopsy and who performed it.

Jackson Fam -- Debbie Rowe Can See Her Kids
Posted Jun 27th 2009 7:20PM by TMZ Staff

A source close to the family of Michael Jackson tells TMZ if Debbie Rowe reaches out to them, and wants to see her kids, they won't stand in the way.



However, we're told the family is holding strong in its position that the kids should stay with their grandmother Katherine.

We're told the family believes it would be "unfair" for the kids to grow up not knowing their biological mother.

(Sounds good, and I believe the three kids should stay together. And if possible the youngest son should see his mother, if the mother wants to also.) That seems fair, but time will tell.

Jackson Fam -- Debbie Rowe Can See Her Kids
Posted Jun 27th 2009 7:20PM by TMZ Staff

A source close to the family of Michael Jackson tells TMZ if Debbie Rowe reaches out to them, and wants to see her kids, they won't stand in the way.

However, we're told the family is holding strong in its position that the kids should stay with their grandmother Katherine.

We're told the family believes it would be "unfair" for the kids to grow up not knowing their biological mother.

Just placing what is being reported, I personally wait until "a source" is identified before giving merit to it BUT if it is true coming from a grieving family I say this is more than reasonable especially considering this woman's history.  But I must say I agree with the family's position that the children should stay together as siblings & with their family, its all they've ever known & need the stability & emotional support from other family members that loved their father as they did.  Again, I feel compeled to repeat that the children really should have a guardian ad litem appointed to their best interest & well-being, someone outside of family & business minded individuals to oversee their estate as heirs.

Me too.  MJ had a long-term addiction to prescription medications but I totally question the care he was receiving by physicians and whom reportedly hired them for what self-interest reasons.  I largely question when he got an injection, how he was treated when he failed & what transpired for what I consider too long a time before the 911 call was made.

Greta is going live from LA at the top of the hour & then Geraldo (ugh) is having a special right after.

CNN is having a special later tonite on him. I hope it is all music.
I was practising after I came home from work. lol
I was at work today, not going out, tired.

lol Kat (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jackson.gif)

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The doctor who may have been the last person to see Michael Jackson alive was to meet with police Saturday along with his lawyer, an associate of attorney Ed Chernoff said.


A girl holds up signs in memory of Michael Jackson outside New York's Apollo Theater on Saturday.

 Matthew Alford, an associate of Stradley, Chernoff and Alford law firm in Houston, Texas, said Dr. Conrad Murray, who is represented by Chernoff, was upset but willing to cooperate.

"It's a human tragedy, and he's upset obviously over the loss of Mr. Jackson. But he is not a suspect in the death of Mr. Jackson," Alford said. "We intend to cooperate fully."

Also Saturday, the Jackson family spoke out in a statement to People magazine and obtained by CNN.

"In one of the darkest moments of our lives we find it hard to find the words appropriate to this sudden tragedy we all had to encounter," said patriarch Joseph Jackson, speaking on behalf of the family.

"Our beloved son, brother and father of three children has gone so unexpectedly, in such a tragic way and much too soon," he said. "It leaves us, his family, speechless and devastated to a point, where communication with the outside world seems almost impossible at times."

The statement went on to thank fans worldwide for their condolences and expressions of grief.  Watch how one fans mourns pop star »

"Please do not despair, because Michael will continue to live on in each and every one of you," Joseph Jackson said.

Los Angeles police, who met briefly with Murray after Michael Jackson's death, had been trying to set up an interview, Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Charlie Beck said.

"Is important to interview everybody that was in contact with Mr. Jackson immediately prior to his demise particularly anyone involved in his medical care," Beck said. "So it's extremely important to talk to his doctor."

Police said the doctor has been cooperating.

Jackson's family suspects that Murray can answer some questions about the singer's death, but they have been unable to contact him, the Rev. Jesse Jackson told CNN on Saturday.

The parents need to know what happened in the last hours of Michael Jackson's life, Jesse Jackson said.

"The routine inquiry is now an investigation," Jesse Jackson said. "They (Jacksons) didn't know the doctor. ... He should have met with the family, given them comfort on the last hours of their son."

Alford said Murray has "not been hiding out. He's just being prudent."

Detectives impounded Murray's car, which was parked at the singer's rented home, because it may contain evidence related to Jackson's death, possibly prescription medications.

Police have released no information on what they may have found.

Alford said he did not have any details.

"I have no information as to what if any treatment, or course of treatment he was doing for Mr. Jackson at all," he said.

Michael Jackson died Thursday, and an autopsy was performed the following day. A spokesman for the Los Angeles County coroner's office told reporters Friday that more tests must be conducted before a cause of death can be determined. That could take four to six weeks.

The coroner said there was no indication of external trauma or foul play.  Watch the coroner's spokesman discuss the autopsy »

The 50-year-old pop star was discovered unconscious Thursday by paramedics at his home, where Murray apparently had tried to revive him. He was rushed to a Los Angeles medical center, where he was pronounced dead.

"They need an independent autopsy to get even more answers to questions that are now being driven by the gap between when Michael was last seen alive and was pronounced dead day before yesterday," Jesse Jackson said.  Watch Jesse Jackson detail the family's concerns »

There are lingering questions, such as: "How long had he stopped breathing? How long had he been unconscious?" he said.

Jackson had been preparing for a comeback tour -- aimed at extending his legendary career and helping him to pay off hundreds of millions of dollars in debt.

Jackson is survived by his three children, Prince Michael I, Paris and Prince Michael II.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/27/michael.jackson/index.html

8:00
p.m.  5:00  7 central
p.m. MICHAEL JACKSON: Man in the Mirror: His talent was legend. His life was troubled. His legacy will live forever. Don't miss this CNN Presents special.
 
9:00
p.m.  6:00 8 central
p.m. Larry King Live: Remembering Michael Jackson.

Why is Jesse Jackson all over talking for the Jackson family, is he their spokesperson?

Who knows, I mean he has had contact with Michael and the family thru the years but he seems to have inserted himself here big time, not shocked.

Rumor has it (Greta) there will be an open memorial at the Staple Center in LA Monday & Tuesday, NOT CONFIRMED

Im gonna check in later, I have to wrap my babygirl's birthday presents & some other stuff getting ready for their arrival Wed - I cannot wait,  I cant stand myself Im too excited for words

how long is your daughter staying ?  have a wonderful time....

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

I grew up within the outskirts of Detroit- 2 miles from.
Music was everything within my house. MOTOWN was thriving not only within our local am/fm radio stations - but was played within our house.

I got my first record player from my neighbor who was like " My Uncle" yet he was only 18. I was four years old. His name was Chuck. He was drafted - Vietnam. The day before he left he came to our porch and he had a gift. The gift was his record player. He wanted to see me.
He got down on his knees and said " I want you to have this" it was a suitcase .. a pale beige with a heavy green leather trim box that looked like a suitcase. He said YOU can Dance and Listen to Music with this. He said to me I want you to take care of it while I am gone.

I did not understand where he was going or why he was leaving. All I knew it was sad and I didn't know why he chose me ..to have his " suitcase" that played music.
I hugged him so hard and said to him " I love you".  And he picked me up and held me tight and put me gently back on the pavement of my porch and he said I love you too.

Inside my room, I looked at this box/suitcase that played music .. again I was 4 yrs old.
My Mom showed me that it was a record player, that it was to be plugged in ..and she showed me how it worked.  My parents had a stereo but it was so high up and my brother and I were never to go near it ... we could not reach it if we wanted to. We at the time did not understand the concept - all we knew was Music was played from it.

I remember I said to my Mom, Mom it is ugly ..it is so ugly. I want pretty music to come from it. ((( what a childs mind thinks))) - My Mom took me to Kresge's and she bought hot pink/orange/purple/white swirled contact paper ..and she and I covered the old beige box and dark green leather ...of this Music player - with this psychedelic contact paper.  NOW I was Happy and wanting to play MUSIC from this " gifted Box".

I had two 45's - One was Sly and the Family Stone " Dance to the Music" :)
the other was " Dixie Cups" Going to the Chapel :)

Then came ....... CEREAL BOXES with 45's on the Backs of them. Alphabet's Cereal.
We would cut them out and think as if they were made of GOLD. ( I was not a rich kid)

I wink .. and think of my Ms. CBB .. because I have given this song to her - ABC
Jackson 5 " ABC" ..that was one of my first cardboard 45's ...  OH did I love it and still do.
The other songs  were Never can say goodbye and   Dancin Machine ...Oh Baby ooo Baby ..
I remember Watching Jackson 5 on Soul Train .......soullllllllll Traaaaaaaaaain. lol

I grew up on Jackson 5. I always loved Michael. I always thought that Jermaine was the most handsome. I guess I liked older men :).  when I was in 6th grade I went to a school fair and won a tiny little goldfish ..took it home in a plastic bag. My Dad said WELL we must go get him a Bowl to call Home. I named him Ben. Ben lived for 9 yrs. I loved him very much and took care of him - every day.  Ben after Michael Jackson's song.
When I was 18.. lord did I have the hair ..and I loved to wear black with a white tshirt.  I was a huge Prince fan too. I did as well love Michael and Janet. I bought this coat with all my savings that looked like Michael's coat in Bad .. and I wore it all the time. 
It had shoulder pads, it was black suede and had buckles all over it .. and it was very short and cropped. I wore it loud and proud. I would wear it with black skinny jeans .. and me alike as Michael and Janet ..the silent one..who didn't care who thought what of me. I wore what ever I felt represented me at that time. I had very few friends. Just my circle of 3, 4 close friends was all I needed.
People always whispered of me and called me whore and bitch .. funny when I graduated I never had really kissed a boy nor gone further than that. Yet I was branded by others of a reputation that was created by them ..  for being unique .. none of those people who called me out ever knew me.

I lived within the times of Michael growing and changing within his music - and I can't say I have an era of him that I would say .. I did not like. I do recall though when he went from " Dance Music" which I love all his songs..  Pretty Young Thing, Rock with You, etc ..countless songs .. But I did relish when he got Angry and Loud and I so loved to hear him SCREAM ..and show his Emotions.. I would just squeal to see him rip his shirt and or for his face to show emotions and to hear him call out  ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa

so two vids that bring me back to his Awakening - are
Ms Janet and Michael SCREAM remix ................. Lord


http://www.youtube.com/v/r4eUTp0WYzE&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1

My other favorite was Black and White ... that is one of countless songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9OYMRwN1Q
I can't embed

My other Fave -

The Way you Make Me Feel .............  ::MonkeyDance::
No One can Sing like Michael
http://www.youtube.com/v/7cNol31tOkU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1

I will Miss YOU - Michael .. You have Been with Me all my Life and I pray for your Children that they will go to those who will love them and keep them as you did. I hope the Nanny gets Custody .. MUM  :smt049

But Deenie, what about the guy with the record player????

Always ... I wish I could tell you what happened to Chuck. I wish I knew
We moved before he came home from Nam ...
His name was Charles Few .. I should try to find him online.
He was a great person and I will never ever forget him.

I hope you do find him, and Deenie I would be so honored if you would find a song for me!!!

The sleasy tabloid from London,  News Of the World is reporting to have had an interview with DEBBIE ROWE who is being reported to have said now that Michael was not the father....so much for the kind olive branch the Jacksons just extended to her.   If she said this & pulls this crap now, God help her.   There is no video or confirmation yet that she said this.  Regardless, even if she did claim this now she still doesnt have a claim since he has solely raised these children & she chose to walk away.

2 glorious weeks!  This fall she will begin her senior college year.  Tks Cookie  ::MonkeyAngel::

Always what song ... I will seek and attempt to find :)
Just ask

My thoughts on Michael's children.
The two eldest are questionable - yet do resemble Michael in ways ..you would have to pay attention. If you ever notice MJ has incredibly large hands with very long fingers for his frame and his children do as well and his children are naturally thin just like him. Very distinct jaw lines. MJ also is mixed heritage-his own Father has green eyes. Joseph.
" Blanket I do believe is his child" he has his Daddy's Eyes. They are so dark and beautiful and the same shape as Michaels. Just because your born brown does not mean you create Brown babies .. especially when Mama is of other background. 

 his Nephews who are ON youtube. The facial features are there .. Both of Paris and Prince Michael 1st.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ahi7mepJpi4&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1

Deenie, a song that you pick just for me, like you did the others in musings!!!  That would be wonderful.  You are such a spritual soul.

Watching Michael with his nephews (Tito's sons) you see his naivety and cling to youthfulness while at the same time at 37-38 fits right in with his teen/young adult nephews.    You can see the physical similarities of Michael & Tito in all three.   Amazing the agony and struggle Michael faced in recent this recent decade when this was produced yet he still had it & he was thrilled to pass on his love for music & knowledge onto his nephews.  Speaking of genetics is it not amazing how this family over generations can all sing & dance remarkably, now that is a strong gene pool!  I'll bet dollars to donuts that his children can sing too.  Deenie, tks for bringing this over because not too many probably even have heard of 3T or knew Michael worked with his nephews (he also worked with them on "I Need You").   They received quite a fan base in Europe in the mid 90's until 2005 when one of them broke off & Im not sure what their status as a group is currently.    

Well, I've heard a couple of people on TV interviews, supposedly close to MJ, say that they just hope people will celebrate his music for a few days before everything starts coming out.  (IMO, a lot of people know a lot about MJ, and have hidden it to protect him). 

Wow, just wow!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html#


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195999/24hr-sober-coach-hired-Michael-Jackson-desperate-family-brought-controversial-Doc-Hollywood-save-star.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196035/Doctor-I-saved-Jackson-morphine-overdose-TV-interview-US.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196018/Star-32-bed-Kent-manor-house-weekend.html

Collaborations with Michael Jackson, some of the biggest names in the business join Michael in 2 productions for charity

WHAT MORE CAN I GIVE?

http://www.youtube.com/v/SDq-ztM2rCU&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca&border=1"

WE ARE THE WORLD
http://www.youtube.com/v/jzw6GiqZyD0&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca&border=1"

SUPERBOWL 2006, PART 1-HITS   Incredible production performance in 2006
http://www.youtube.com/v/qnvSebbIVAM&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=1"

SUPERBOWL, PART 2-HEAL THE WORLD
http://www.youtube.com/v/jCma5VvMCXg&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6&border=1"

Always  I chose a song for You .. and I posted it in Musings.
I will post it here too. You are now Annie Lennox " Little Bird"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI0gdIWJ4-w

Former Nanny Tells of Michael's Drug Use


By Stephen M. Silverman

Originally posted Saturday June 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT
Grace Rwaramba and Michael Jackson
 
Photo by: AP; Ramey 
An alarming portrait of Michael Jackson in his final months has now been sketched by the nanny who cared for his three children. Grace Rwaramba, 42, tells The Times of London that she routinely pumped out the pop star's stomach after he'd ingested a dangerous combination of drugs.

"I had to pump his stomach many times. He always mixed so much of it," Rwaramba said, referring to drugs. "There was one period that it was so bad that I didn't let the children see him," she is quoted as saying. "He always ate too little and mixed too much."

Having now arrived in Los Angeles from London, Rwaramba, who is originally from Rwanda, is expected to be interviewed by LAPD detectives investigating Jackson's death on Thursday.


Proposed Intervention
Having at one time proposed a drug invention for Michael, and contacting his mother Katherine and sister Janet for their help with it, the nanny found herself fired by Michael. "He didn't want to listen," she says, "that was one of the times he let me go."

In Jackson's employ for more than a decade, Rwaramba started as an office assistant to the pop star before becoming a nanny to his three children: Prince, now 12; Paris, 11; and Blanket, 7. She was last fired by Michael in December, and claims that when she visited the children in April, she herself had to buy balloons for Paris's birthday, because Michael was so broke.

"Michael had no idea about money," Rwaramba says, citing a $1 million offer he received to appear in Japan. "By the time everyone took their share," she says, "he ended up with $200,000."


Search for Cash
According to Rwaramba, on Friday, the day after Michael died, his mother Katherine called her from Michael's Holmby Hill house and asked where he kept his cash. "She said, 'Grace, the children are crying. They are asking about you. They can't believe that their father died. Grace, you remember Michael used to hide cash at the house. I am here. Where can it be?' "

Rwaramba advised looking "at the garbage bags and under the carpets." Then, said the former nanny, "She said, 'Grace, where are you? Come. I will pick you up from the airport.' She sounded so strong. So strong!"

Thread of pain ran through Jackson's career
 
By JAKE COYLE
The Associated Press
Sunday, June 28, 2009; 6:46 AM

-- It was the last day of shooting for a Pepsi commercial at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles in 1984, and the only hiccup had been an argument between Michael Jackson and an ad executive over whether the young superstar would take off his sunglasses.

"Then," as the executive later wrote, "we set his hair on fire."

Jackson was descending a staircase in an extravagant, pyrotechnic opening sequence, dancing to "Billie Jean," when a spark landed on his head. Jackson cried out. People nearby leapt on him to put out the fire, but Jackson was hospitalized for days with a burned scalp.

Thus began a thread of pain that ran through a remarkable career - and made painkillers all too accessible.

Because of accidents, frequent plastic surgery and the sheer intensity of his dancing, physical agony was the unshakable problem with being Michael Jackson.

Medical examiners in Los Angeles are perhaps weeks away from determining an official cause of death, but officials did say Friday that tests showed Jackson was taking prescription medication.

At the end of his life, a personal cardiologist was living with Jackson while he rehearsed rigorously for a historic comeback. Among the first steps police took was to tow the doctor's BMW, saying it might contain medication or other evidence.

Since his death, people close to Jackson have said they were worried about his dependence on the drugs. In 1993, while he was defending himself against child molestation charges, Jackson himself called it an addiction.


On Saturday, spiritual teacher Dr. Deepak Chopra said he had been concerned since 2005 that Jackson was abusing painkillers and spoke to the pop star about suspected drug use as recently as six months ago.

"In a way, this was coming, and in a way, it's frustrating that we couldn't do anything about it," he told The Associated Press. "The problem has been going on for a long time, but we didn't know what to do. There were attempts at intervention, and it didn't succeed."

Chopra said Jackson, a longtime friend, personally asked him for painkillers in 2005, when the singer was staying with him after he was acquitted on sex-abuse charges. Chopra said he refused.

He also said the nanny of Jackson's children repeatedly contacted him with concerns about Jackson's drug use over the next four years, and said Jackson would avoid his calls whenever the subject came up.

Well before Jackson had a doctor living under his own roof, there were ample reasons to turn to pharmaceuticals to relieve pain.

In the early 1990s, Jackson's dermatologist revealed the singer had a skin disorder known as vitiligo, which leads to white patches on the skin. And over the years, Jackson underwent numerous plastic surgeries, the most prominent being the narrowing of his nose. Few people know exactly how many there were in all.

Jackson was a passionate performer and an exceptional dancer, renowned for his choreographical perfection. Ailments were, or at least began as, a byproduct of his dedication.

In 1990, he was hospitalized with chest pains. In 1993, he canceled a performance due to dehydration and later cut his tour short because of his painkiller addiction. In 1995, he collapsed on stage at the Beacon Theater in New York and was hospitalized.

Then there was London. Mounting a comeback aimed at least in part on erasing the taint of years of scandal, Jackson was to perform a staggering 50 shows at the O2 arena, the first of them in mid-July.

It was a schedule daunting enough that Jackson was training in recent months with Lou Ferrigno, the star of TV's "Incredible Hulk." And while a 50-show run would be challenging even for an athlete in his prime, Jackson was 50 years old. As he aged, his appearance had become famously, almost spectrally, drawn.

Those involved in the production said Jackson was heavily involved in all aspects of the concert rehearsals. He had hired a personal trainer and was practicing with backup dancers and choreographers several hours a day.

"He was working hard, setting the example, overseeing the choreography, kicking butt and taking names," said Johnny Caswell, president of CenterStaging Musical Productions Inc., a Burbank, Calif., sound stage where Jackson rehearsed until late May. "He was ready to blow everybody out of the water."

Randy Phillips, president and CEO of AEG Live, the producers of the London show, said Jackson was dancing "as well or better than the 20-year-old dancers we surrounded him with. ... He was riveting."

Maryss Courchinoux, a 29-year-old from Paris who said she had been selected as a backup dancer for the show, described the tour rehearsals as more arduous than the performances themselves.

"A heart is a muscle," she said. "If you don't build it up little by little, you will have problems and start cramping up. I don't know what his lifestyle was before he started rehearsing."

Jackson's family said he died of cardiac arrest on Thursday at UCLA Medical Center. A person familiar with the situation, speaking on condition of anonymity because the person had not been authorized to speak publicly, said it was an apparent heart attack.

Others familiar with a life in dancing and performing spoke similarly of its physical demand - in particular, the need for consistent practice. It is not, they said, a line of work in which a performer can figuratively jump from zero to 60 mph or more.

"You can never stop," said Jodi Moccia, a dance teacher and a choreographer who works with the cast of "Mamma Mia!" to prevent injuries. "Once you stop, those muscles don't come back like they usually do."

Four years ago, it was almost unthinkable that Jackson might attempt such an undertaking.

During his 2005 molestation trial, he appeared gaunt and had recurring back problems that he attributed to stress. The trial was interrupted several times by hospital visits. Jackson once even appeared late to court dressed in his pajamas after an emergency room visit.

After the acquittal, prosecutors argued against returning some items that had been seized from Neverland, the estate Jackson converted into a storybook playland. Among the items were the powerful painkiller Demerol and other prescription drugs.

That a performer with such a history of pain and a struggle with painkillers was attempting such an ambitious and grueling comeback was, some said, a collision course. Michael Levine, a publicist for Jackson in the early 1990s, called the stresses on Jackson "a toxic mix that nobody can withstand."

Others close to Jackson described a feeling of sad inevitability to his death.

Brian Oxman, a former Jackson attorney and family friend, told NBC's "Today" show: "The result was I warned everyone, and lo and behold, here we are. I don't know what caused his death. But I feared this day, and here we are."

One of my favorite songs by Michael; rock n roll like Dirty Diana. I still can't figure out how to post a video so here's the link, I love this song! Oh, & MJ loved those pyrotechnics!   ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-CcqOe9WWU

I did watch LKL last night.
Deepak Choptra was on and reiterated the same thing that he said in the article about MJ's drug use.
They did play clips and I was happy to see the clip from 1983 where MJ did the Moonwalk wearing his sparkling white socks. It had been a live performance. This is the one that I remember. I was exhausted, jumped up from the couch and tried to mirror his dance steps.
When someone makes and sells a MJ dvd retrospect, I am going to have to get one if it contains that.
I have an 11 year old gd who takes dance lessons, hip hop stuff and I try to keep up with her when she shows us what she is doing. We have alot of fun. We dance, laugh, fall on the floor, carry on, etc. Later, I limp home. This fall I am going to look and see if there are any hip hop fitness classes for me. It is a big stress reliever for me. When I was younger, going to clubs, Thursday, Friday and Saturdays was what I aimed for on Monday Tuesday and Wednesdays. Those days are over, but music and dancing is not.
..
Anyway, back to MJ, the parts of LKL that I saw, Deepak Choptra was the one who seemed the most honest about the drug use and the enablers that surrounded him. It's too bad that he never got over whatever tormented him from his childhood or went for treatment and cleaned up his act.   

Sad, just like with Elvis, and Anna Nicole and many others, with their enablers by their sides  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks, I agree, a lot of people hid a lot of things to protect Michael. I would not be surprised in the least if he took his own life. This whole thing is sad, and I hope all the best for his three children.

Jackson Family Doesn't Trust Michael's Doc
Posted Jun 28th 2009 10:56AM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's family has its suspicions about Dr. Conrad Murray and what went down on the day Jackson died.

A source close to the family tells TMZ they feel Dr. Murray should not be cleared of any wrongdoing just yet. The family requested a second autopsy to find out what the last drug Jackson took was. We're told the family feels once those results are known, a criminal investigation will take place.

We're also told the family is questioning Dr. Murray's abilities as a doctor. In the 911 call, first published by TMZ, the caller says Dr. Murray was performing CPR on Jackson on a bed; CPR is routinely performed on a hard surface.

As our source put it, "If you're a doctor, how can you not know how to do CPR?"

Michael Jackson's Doctor Treated His Kids, Too
Posted Jun 28th 2009 11:17AM by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray wasn't just Michael Jackson's personal physician -- he treated Michael's children as well.

Matt Alford, Murray's attorney, tells TMZ Murray met Jackson back in 2006 and treated Jackson for "various illnesses." Alford says Murray cared for Jackson's kids from time to time as well.

As for suggestions Murray did not perform CPR correctly on Jackson, Alford said he doesn't know why Murray did it on the bed instead of the floor.

Me bad. I went to TMZ to read about htis, they seem to have it all covered,and I actually ventured into their unmoderated comments section. Holey Moley, not on a Sunday, too much for me.
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It seems that he was surrounded with YES people and if you didn't say YES, then you were fast forwarded to the do not speak to category. Sounds like it would have taken a court order to get him treatment and who would have done that ? His parents ? And then it would have become public fodder and he might have left the country again. There is enough money in the Jackson camp to have had a private treatment plan put into place for him. There was certainly enough money for enabling doctors, why not a doctor who specialized in drug rehab ? A gradual step down so that the body doesn't need as much pain medication to be effective ?
.. It all has to come back to MJ and he wanted to continue doing what he always did.
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We play our part in this too. TMZ and those other media places hound these celebrities and we read and watch over there and demand to know stuff that really isn't anyone's business. I am just as bad and I am going to think about giving any mouse clicks to these parasitic sites. I enable them to stay in business.   

I always venture into the comments section  ::MonkeyEek:: I love these celebrity websites, I can't help myself. I can't figure out how a body can function with years of so much drug abuse, overwhelming to me.

I hadn't been over there since Anna Nicole Smith passed.
It is pretty toxic. I used to have TMZ , the tv channel. I still might.
Some very trite things " reported ". Oh well, Harvey Levin is making money. I did actully watch it more than once, maybe twice, all very juvenile staffers. The kind that want to know who farts, when and where.
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A steady diet of that, my IQ would take a nose dive.
 

The commentary there and a few other sites is extremely toxic & crude on a daily basis, doesnt matter the story but large ones take on a very sad life of their own.  As a person that can be very blunt & express angst rather well, you will notice its rare & measured but not mean to be mean or from an overall negative mindset.  What is also noticeable is that people that are just viciously debasing others in fact know very little about the subject matter or individual they have chosen to attack but take a few aspects of a story & focus in on that as a point of attack by design nor does it matter if it is true or not.  They are incapable of debating a subject matter with intelligence & wisdom but rather express themselves with narrow minds & an unrecognized low self-esteem - another perfect example of this is political sites.   Now, don't get me wrong a measured amount of criticism & frustration is understandable with certain stories BUT there is a significant difference between expressing that from a factual & honest origin rather than spiting venom for the sheer joy of getting a rise out of people & inflaming a situation.    Certain people are very cruel and cynical on a regular basis and I can only pity them that they go thru life wasting their hours displaying this type of behavior thinking they are getting appalled when actually they are proving to be fools to those with level minds, it some how gives them a way to get attention they otherwise would not receive & are rather misguided, how sad.

There is no doubt that some of the celebrity websites and their comments get down and dirty. There is a lot of nastiness being said not only about Michael but other celebrities as well.  ::MonkeyEek::

Programming Note:    The annual BET Awards are this evening, check your local listings for channel - 8PM eastern, 7 Central, 5 Pacific   TPTB have decided to dedicate the entire broadcast to Michael Jackson's accomplishments in the industry and his astonishing contributions to charity around the world.

Speaking of charity, it is estimated that Michael Jackson had donated well over 300 million in charity.

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20288160,00.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html

here is a good article.

And this is just the beginning with all these articles and stories from all the people who have known him.

Maybe this has been said before, but I find it rather sad that Michael is getting all of the coverage on tv while Farrah is hardly getting any...maybe a mention at the end of the program..is this because his death was unexpected when we knew that Farrah was so ill? She deserves far more attention than she has gotten in my opinion...

Amen  ::MonkeyAngel::

2nd Autopsy complete >> snipped

Los Angeles Times reports a second autopsy was performed shortly after the pop icon's body was released to his family.

The Times says the pathologist who did the second autopsy can get results from a private lab within a week or two.

Jackson's family reportedly called for the extra examination because of the unanswered questions surrounding his death.

The Reverend Jesse Jackson says they're unsatisfied with the information they've been getting from the coroner's office.

http://www.ny1.com/Content/Top_Stories/101448/report--second-autopsy-performed-on-king-of-pop/Default.aspx

Very short/to the point and a haunting message at the end....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDW1TVH78BU

very interesting...
he was so cute before he started messing with his face....jmo....
sad...he must have been very unhappy it seems...

I read it in an article yesterday, and then it was reported on Geraldo's show tonight, that Michael Jackson weight 8 stone at death.  A stone is equal to 14 pounds; therefore, he weighed 112 pounds at death and was 5 ft. 10 1/2 in. tall.  Boy...that is emaciated!  I would think that alone could cause heart failure (think Karen Carpenter).

 

Joe Jackson was seated with Al Sharpton at the BET Awards, the show promised to have been revamped to honor Michael.  In a way it was, but some of it was difficult to get thru with some lousy performances of others & went way long.

The shock of the night was at the end, Janet Jackson appeared obviously still very distraught but looking beautiful in all white.  She said that her whole family wished they could be there but it was just too painful & they elected her to come and say a few words.  She thanked everyone for the love and support the family has received.  She said "He may have been an icon to you, but to us he is family & he will always be in our hearts. (broke up) I miss him so much."  It was very brief & Jamie Foxx escorted her by the arm on stage & someone reached their hand out as she left the stage.

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I agree that Farrah should have gotten more coverage but her passing was anticipated & to be quite realistic although she did have a decent career as an actress the two cannot be even remotely compared in accomplishments in their craft or what they contributed by way of charity, sorry but that is just the blunt truth.   Ed McMahon passed, he got his day of national mention & yet besides working with Johnny for decades he contributed to charity being one of Jerry Lewis's MDA right hand men for decades as well.  Billy Mays, the Oxy Clean & Orange Glo TV ad pitchman died, he's getting mentions about his passing, how do we bring that in the equation as to why he's newsworthy enough to receive national TV coverage & Farrah's passing is pushed back to page 6 due to that as well?  I do not think the media's focus on MJ's death was meant to be disrespectful to Farrah or anyone else that passed this same week, they were paying her respects from the day before she passed forward until this shocked the world, literally.  When you think about it not a soul on this forum will be mentioned on national TV when they pass, everything is relative and nothing is more sobering than realizing any one of us in comparison to a very minor few are just another spec in the sand on this earth.  No matter what your personal views are of Michael Jackson, his achievements in both aspects are of massive record breaking proportion, some of them may never be achieved to that level by anyone else ever again.  The second element of Michael's passing has brought on speculation of negligence or even criminal conduct as well as the enormous drama that is Michael Jackson good, bad & indifferent that has spanned 4 decades.  I respect Farrah as the actress she became after Charlie's Angels as well as how hard she fought her cancer, she should not be minimized on purpose nor do I feel she has been.      I also admire how hard & courageously my auntie & uncle battled their cancer, they are heroes to me in real life for a multitude of reasons, they both had souls of angels on earth to me yet they got no mention on national TV but no less significant to those they touched, I miss them inconsolably.

In an entirely different case scenario, one can labor over the thought as to why certain murder cases be it an adult or child get constant national tv attention and/or interest by the public & others are slightly covered or not even mentioned at all, sad but true.   I'm exhausted to further reflect this evening but my heart aches for many things we witness & my mind ponders both its relevance & what we can do to make changes on behalf of society as a whole constantly....tomorrow is another day & I plan on making the most of it because every day we are reminded just how short life can be.

Sleep well friends   ::MonkeyAngel::

Report: Jackson Bald, Bruised, Ribs Broken
Posted Jun 29th 2009 8:49AM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's body was in terrible shape and he had only pills in his stomach when he died, according to a report out of London.

Jackson's hips, thighs and shoulders were riddled with needle wounds, The Sun is reporting. The paper -- which claims to have details of the autopsy -- is saying Jackson was bald at the time of his death and suffered several broken ribs, probably from the failed attempts to revive him.

There were four "injection sites" found above or near his heart, according to the paper, where rescue workers reportedly shot adrenaline into his heart in an attempt to restart it.

The Sun also says the autopsy found unexplained bruising on Jackson's knees and on the fronts of both shins.

Exactly, that was interesting. He died from drugs, period. People do everyday, maybe from these high profile deaths that involve drugs, people could learn from these incidents, but people don't, and probably never will. He is no different from others who have died and have been enabled, surrounded by yes men/women, too bad the family's intervention didn't help. To bad many family interventions have not helped their loved ones also. Maybe the family should talk about drug addiction and the toll it takes within a family. Makes sense to me.

Reported Jackson Autopsy -- A Fake
Posted Jun 29th 2009 11:14AM by TMZ Staff

We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.

A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false

Story developing ...

http://www.tmz.com/

Deepak Chopra was at least honest. He spoke of the enablers, etc.
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I think that he was bled dry by the people around him. He didn't own Neverland any more, some management company did. They probably propped him up with drugs for this last tour of his so they could get more out of him. He didn't seem to have the stamina or the strengh to do 50 concerts did he ? I would have  been shocked if he had pulled more than 2 of these these concerts off.
I don't know who was involved and how he got insured for this or how he got a medical go ahead and was pronounced fit enough to do this.
From what I have been reading, Michael didn't have his assets any more, his advisers and business associates did. You all can think what you want, I think he was destroyed by those who professed to "love " him and help him out of his troubles.
I don't know who owns the Sony Beatles catalogue.There are so many lawyers and millions perhaps billions involved, we will never know the truth. It is the Madoff scandal of the entertainment industry.
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We are going to hear from everyone who ever even glaced at MJ. His "bestest" friends.
They will all be on TV praising him, but if they were his friends, like where the heck have they been ? Probably spending MJ's money.

Jackson Doctor's CPR Technique Explained
Posted Jun 29th 2009 9:53AM by TMZ Staff

Now we know why Dr. Conrad Murray administered CPR on Michael Jackson's bed, even though it's routinely performed on a hard surface -- it was a "firm bed."

Murray's lawyer, Edward Chernoff, was on "GMA" this morning defending his client's actions after finding Michael unconscious in his bedroom.

To be blunt, WHAT A CROCK! coming from a cardiologist this does not pass the smell test

Jackson Lawyer -- Katherine Wants Custody
Posted Jun 29th 2009 8:40AM by TMZ Staff

A Jackson family lawyer strongly indicated Michael Jackson's mother wants custody of his three kids. Londell McMillan was on "Today" this morning -- where he said Michael's three children will most likely remain with his mother, Katherine, who currently has custody.

Video of Today Show appearance on site
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/katherine-jackson-michael-jackson-custody/
McMillan said he hasn't heard that Debbie Rowe has an interest in undermining "the best interest of these children." But as we first reported, Rowe never gave up her parental rights and it's not about "best interest" -- under California law, Rowe could get custody for the asking unless there's proof it would be "detrimental" to the kids.

McMillan also addressed concerns over Dr. Conrad Murray -- saying the family is "troubled with the circumstances surrounding the death."

UPDATE BREAKING:   Katherine has just formally filed for guardianship of Michael's 3 children, no doubt with legal documents attached.

Kat MJ did sell a good portion of his Sony Beatles catalogue to get out of debt but he did indeed still own a percentage that ranges in reported amounts & it is being reported he may have willed it back to Paul McCartney.   Neverland had MJ also having some sort of interest still in it but it is unclear what percentage that is & they were renovating it at the time of his death.   But you are absolutely correct, this story is unfolding to be one of the biggest cases of business entities, attorneys & other entourage personnel profitting off of a celebrity at literally an "all costs" level.    It could be said minus Michaels' own responsibility for his health of which I think he was in very recent years too broken down both emotionally & physically to do on his own that he died by "death by entourage."


UPDATE BREAKING NOW:  Guardianship hearing will be held on my birthday, August 3rd.

Exactly, all I needed to see was that man that he called his father, and the interview he gave before going into the awards show last night, the interview I watched was on CNN. All Michael was to a lot of people was money and perks, nothing more than that.

Thanks Capp UPDATE BREAKING NOW:  Guardianship hearing will be held on my birthday, August 3rd.  Logically who else would take care of the three kids, I heard something about the nanny, but how would she have a chance? After seeing Joe on more than a couple occasions since Michael's death, I hope he doesn't go near these kids. They will never be good enough for him.

The nanny stands no chance whatsoever, all she could hope for is that the Jacksons would consider keeping her on as the childrens nanny since they are so familiar with her & she offers known stability to them in addition to family.  Listening to Grace's interviews, it appears she is being honest with certain things she observed but she's also recently embittered with how she was shut out of the Jackson's lives.  I believe Katherine is the absolute right person to have full & permanent custody but due to her age they must consider another stable family member second in line if her health fails to the point that she cannot care for the children completely & I really want to see a court appointed guardian ad litem assigned to each of the children so that they best interests both welfare & financial are overseen to their fullest with no agenda, there is way too much at stake in both regards.

I agree about Joe Jackson, I've never forgiven the fact that he abused Michael & his children pushing them to perfection while he saw it as a way to not have to do hard labor himself & this goes to well prior to Michael's self-mutilation and eccentric days I feel were a direct very significant result.   One thing positive I can say about Michael, bless him that he had it within him to forgive his father & they seemed to have a decent relationship in recent years, from great personal experience of hurt on top of hurt, I had to walk away for sanity versus a continued attempt at forgiveness - Ive concluded that individuals that abuse others are not worthy of forgiveness.   It is also interesting to denote that as much as Joe went to the BET Awards last night and walked the red carpet, the family chose Janet to speak briefly to the audience/viewing public & her grief was palpable.

JUST BREAKING:     A judge has granted Katherine Jackson with temporary custody of her 3 grandchildren.  Hearing for permanent custody will be Aug 3rd

I think I am happy about this, I hope I am.  Katherine, please love them the way I love mine!!!

I hear that!

Michael Jackson's Will Surfaces
Posted Jun 29th 2009 1:13PM by TMZ Staff

We've learned Michael Jackson's lawyer has a copy of the singer's will and he intends to file it with the court.

We're told the Jackson family doesn't have a copy of the will in attorney John Branca's possession. It's unclear how many wills Jackson made but Branca believes it's the most current.

Branca has a long history with Jackson. In 1985, Branca brokered the deal for Jackson to purchase The Beatles' publishing catalogue.

Branca and Jackson stopped working together in 2006 but the singer hired him back just three weeks ago.

Michael Jackson -- Drugs Likely Cause of Death
Posted Jun 29th 2009 1:26PM by TMZ Staff

Sources tell TMZ it increasingly looks like Michael Jackson died from a drug overdose.

We've already reported that Jackson got a Demerol injection the morning he died. We're told more than one drug may be involved.

The LAPD is still conducting an active investigation.

Personally, Im waiting on something a bit more concrete than "we're told" by any source...but there does seem to be question as to the care of Michael Jackson & this doctor seems to be lying along with AEG who hired him.   Yup, "Death by entourage."

Funeral plans are expected to be announced  

I do think that is a good thing, and to keep the children together. Janet seems to be sensible, I can't say I have read to many things about her at all in a negative way.

MORE BREAKING NEWS AS OF FRIDAY JANET JACKSON HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO BE EXECUTOR TO MJ'S ESTATE & IS IN CHARGE OF MICHAEL'S FUNERAL - she is currently meeting with family, Al Sharpton and others.   It is being reported that a very large scale funeral is being planned with concerns on arrangements with the city, fire department, transportation dept, etc.

Grace the nanny took a cheap shot and stated that Katherine is after money, thats just too low for words - other people yea I truly believe that is true even of his father but not his mother nor Janet IMHO

PRESSER BEING HELD LIVE RIGHT NOW - funeral arrangements said to be announced.   Al Sharpton & Joe Jackson are checking out the memorial in front of the Encino house & are taking to the mike

Thank Cappy. there is no question MJ was wired. I saw excerpts from the 2005 trial. I didn't believe he was guilty of that one, but he sure had changed in a way that was just too offbeat and borderline crazy. the plastic surgery, etc.

Those are the only two I have some trust with Katherine and Janet and the three kids of course, that's it, the rest want money.

Ugh I so agree, including that father who just came out in addition to what he answered about Michael but to push his record label...he said back to the roots of their beginning but somehow I feel totally sick inside.  I think Janet needs to speak in the future on behalf of Michael & the rest of the family...as Ive stated previously Im beyond soured with Joe from many many years ago. I cannot help but notice that it has been stated very distinctly that Katherine sought custody not Katherine & Joe.   I hope they make Janet next in line in that regard as well, I have a feeling she would give up her career for the memory of her brother & the welfare of her niece and nephews - she always seemed to be the most genuine and closest to her brother.

What did come out in the presser is that the funeral will be public & Im pretty sure it will be rather massive with simulcast tributes around the world - I dont think we'll have seen anything like it before or possibly after.   They are awaiting second autopsy results.  You can tell they question what transpired.   Joe did say "Debbie Rowe has nothing to do with this."   That's all I can recall at the moment because frankly Im a bit taken aback that Joe chose this time to pimp his record label - Im positive this is not something Michael would have wanted nor that the family agrees is appropriate at the moment.  I do agree that they should keep Michael's contributions to the arts & his chartiy work alive in a respectable manner - think about that well over $300 million as a sole entity to charity - I have since learned that fact has made the Guiness World Book of Records.

I read elsewhere here you were upset NoRose, on many levels including ways that Michael was responsible for his own decline trust me I am as well.   Im stunned over certain things I have come across in recent days being said, if anything Im honest & take pride in looking at something in its totality just not a portion of it.

I am very upset on many levels with this. I certainly understand his accomplishments in music and music videos, very much so. I see no reason to have a funeral on the same level as Princess Diana and a President though. If that is true, that to me is ridiculous. Joe Jackson for the family sake needs to be quiet, he is an embarrassment, and it sure seems to me his son was a money maker, period. I'm sure somewhere inside himself he loved his son, but I don't see it with his words. I enjoyed his music with the Jackson Five, I enjoyed his Thriller album, after that I was done with his music. He was too disturbing to me, a train wreck, and although it was amusing to watch to some degree, it became very unamusing with the child molesting accusations. His fans have a right to grieve, the only musician/entertainer that I ever grieved was John Lennon, and I certainly was well aware of John's problems.

Whatever type of service they have, it will be a money maker in some fashion.
Why do they have to have a public service ? The fans are doing their own thing,
hanging out outside the Apollo theatre, leaving flowers ( Kat_Gram trying to do the Moonwalk and listening to his music again ).
Why can't that family do something in private ?
Jesse Jackson ? Al Sharpton ?  I saw a CNN something from Al Sharpton. In 1983, Jackson did not cross the color line.  They always have to get their mugs on my TV and I am finding those two very disturbing. He was an ENTERTAINER, not a political figure who changed the face of America. I just don't like the spin that is being put out there. Jackson and Sharpton should have no face time on this one.
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I guess the proceeds from the increased record sales go to his Estate and his debt and if there is any left over after all the lawsuits are done, the kids. 
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Understandable NoRose, Im grappling too.  I grieved significantly when John Lennon was murdered.  Along with millions my jaw dropped to the floor while watching Monday Night Football & Howard Cosell announced it, the world seemed to stop briefly then too & his death was felt around the world.   The next day I went to the Dakota amongst  a sea of thousands with candles & boom boxes playing his songs, and yet with eery silence of a bustling city.   A few days later, I returned to the city to attend his memorial vigil in Central Park & yes he was not without controversary as well but a musical genius.

Same with Princess Di, her death was such an unnecessary & untimely passing.  My heart ached that she was doing so much for charity & getting her life to where she wanted it outside of the constraints & stress being under the crown gave her for years.  Her sons left without the one constant in their life that wasn't all about pretense & royalty.

Elvis, OMG I had such a crush on that man from the age of a little girl.  I remember seeing Blue Hawaii in the theater & said "Wow, he's as beautiful as Hawaii,"  I was probably no older than 8 at the time.   His music and films were a part of the era I grew up & yet we all watched him detorirate from abuse of prescription drugs and let's not forget a ton of affairs cheating on his wife constantly.   When he passed suddenly I was like 18 spending hours listening to the radio stations nonstop tributing nothing but Elvis music & buying every publication I could get my hands on...had cable been what it is today his funeral & passing would have been wall-to-wall as well.

O/T Kat_Gram,I've been practicing videos and I posted Santana for you.  ::MonkeyDance::

Back to Michael Jackson.....his father disturbs me.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Everytime I see Joseph Jackson my skin flips .. I think he is all that Michael and his siblings has said him to be ... Evil, Mean and very selfish. I dunno just my personal opinion.

Joe Jackson is a very disturbing man, I worry about him being around those three kids.

Yesterday I spent with my ((((Daughter)))) and we ended our day at Barnes and Noble.
I went into the music area and was looking ( which I knew none would be there) any CD's by Michael and or Jackson 5. None to be found.
I talked the sales girl and she went online to her stock( all Barnes Noble Stock) and all of his Music is back ordered without a date ..for it to come in.
Michael's Debt was paid off within 15 mins of him being confirmed Dead. This I know.

He will be the richest Dead Man in History with Elvis falling into 2nd place.

I have always thought he was scary. Not only his looks. But he just has that aura of him.
Mrs Jackson is so the battered wife ..she never says a word, is I am sure an Angel and has lived even with all her millions .. all her Things..if she could take all her childrens pain away in exchange of all her wealth " she " would do it in a heart beat.
She is a victim too. I believe.

Yea well he beat Michael and probably his other kids with a switch that hes admitted, God knows what he hasnt admitted to.  It doesnt explain everything but trust me one can see why Michael was so tormented & yes a bit odd as a result.  All that success & yet no self-esteem or emotional strength, maybe in business but certainly not matters of the heart his was broke irreparably decades ago & apparently by recent behavior of Joe throughout his life.   Katherine seems so strong in certain respects but not to that iron fist, I only hope that since she filed & there was no mention of Joe in the legal filing that it gives her custody & control, not him.

I heard the same, Amazon & Barnes & Noble, Itunes all reported his music, DVD's and books going thru the roof.  Friday 721X the rate it was before he passed.   This gives me hope his children will be well provided for & that is the ONLY place his assets should go with debts paid...O God they need a guardian ad litem I cannot stress that enough.

The snit is hitting the fan sooner than even anticipated:
Michael Jackson's Mom Fears Looting
Posted Jun 29th 2009 7:07PM by TMZ Staff

The lawyer for Michael Jackson's mother filed documents in court today, sounding the alarm that people up to no good will try and fleece Michael's estate. The court had apparently had enough concern to make Katherine the administrator of the estate pending a hearing next Monday.

Katherine's attorney, Burt Levitch, claims there are numerous bank accounts of Michael's that are being controlled by third parties. He says the bank accounts are used "to pay expenses of [Michael's] parents' home." Levitch says these bank accounts need to be controlled so third parties don't misspend the money.

Levitch also says there is worry about Michael's stake in the Sony-ATV Music Publishing Catalog -- which includes Beatles' works -- that Levitch says is the most important asset in the estate. Levitch says no one is now representing Michael's interests and he wants Katherine to step in her late son's shoes.

Levitch says at least one person is claiming to have a power of attorney to act on Michael's behalf. Although a power of attorney would have ended when Michael died, Levitch worries that not everyone knows that and assets could be misappropriated.

And the family is questioning whether a will really exists, because no one has informed them of that fact. We're told attorney John Branca, who was re-hired by Michael three weeks ago, is in possession of a will.

Katherine has the right under the order "to control tangible personal property currently in the physical possession of a third party, and to marshall and secure such assets."

I am hearing that there will be a hearing on Monday.  All I can say is,  Go Katherine & please keep his children first and foremost

Deenie,I agree.Something about that guy freaks me out.
He used his son and broke him,made him feel less than he was.
His story began and ended with abuse.

I agree.  ::MonkeyCool::

Some of his assets from Neverland were to be auctioned off in April. That was cancelled a while ago. Bet the estimated realizable value shoots up.
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The buzzards are landing.
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This Dr. Thome Thome is a shadowy character. I read that he met MJ in Bahrain in 2005 and has something to do with the ownership of Neverland
and the AEG, the concert promoter. He was " helping " him of course.
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If they could shellac him and prop him up they would. It is quite sickening.
Ty for Santana. I saw him a long time ago. Wonderful music.
.So far, I have heard or read a few different versions of what was going on that morning in Bel Air. I guess that is the way this one is going to play out, many different versions of the facts and it will be a long time before the truth comes out if it ever does. I have already made my mind up, he died from drugs and the persons who were his handlers for this comeback tour were the grim reapers who came calling. But it is too bad that at 50 years MJ couldn't have got over his childhood, his childhood was a long time ago. Why did Janet get over it and he didn't ? 

"The lawyer for Michael Jackson's mother filed documents in court today, sounding the alarm that people up to no good will try and fleece Michael's estate. The court had apparently had enough concern to make Katherine the administrator of the estate pending a hearing next Monday.

Katherine's attorney, Burt Levitch, claims there are numerous bank accounts of Michael's that are being controlled by third parties. He says the bank accounts are used "to pay expenses of [Michael's] parents' home." Levitch says these bank accounts need to be controlled so third parties don't misspend the money."
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OK, so here is why a 76 ? or 79 year old woman filed for guardianship of the kiddos. And also what no one from his family signed a commitment order for their golden child. He was supporting them !
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His new lawyer has a will. Guess it will be  a duel. No will vs this will ! 
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I am not obsessed am I ? 

Thats ok Kat, keep going, I love the info you are bringing.

Im gonna throw another wrench or two in what will be a very complicated & bitter fight.   This attorney came back on board conveniently 3 weeks ago...hmmm   I sense a connection to this Dr Tohme & the AEG production company & it stinks to the high heavens.    First, they may have a very old will OR the will this attorney claims to have may prove to be invalid for a few reasons not to mention that Michael Jackson due to his negligent care by a doctor and known declien due to prescription drug abuse may be deemed to have not been of full function if he signed OR that he was put under duress by private entities due to his debt & they forced his hand.

I suspect that Katherine (and his children) will prevail up and over other claims as it should be.

Im deliberating over watching a repeat of LKL, I swore I would never ever watch his show again due to his seemingly supporting the Anthonys while they refuse to stand up for Caylee but I heard that the episode had Lou & a friend of Michaels that has some rather interesting things to say not to mention pictures of Michael on stage rehearsing & he was dancing two days before he died....Im struggling with my committment that I do not want to break, maybe the way around it is to wait for it to appear on youtube as it no doubt will by tomorrow.

Some of the pictures taken at the Staple Center at rehearsal

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So I went to his auction catalogue and he had alot of valuable ugly chit is all I can say. He had paintings that were commissioned showing him as a crown prince. As I've said, I loved his music. But his persona left quite a bit to be desired.
ps
I get all my reliable information from TMZ. And Nancy Grace.
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I did do laundry x 3 loads after I got home from work and dishes and cleaning. Don't want anyone to think that MJ is my latest obsession or whatever. I am over his death. Now I am just MAD MAD MAD. I wish CNN would stop already. It's a spectacle and getting rather sickening with all the spin and the "I never saw him take any drugs " : " He was fine the last time I saw him " When was he ever fine ! About 1985. My elderly neighbour ( 85 ) is glad he never went to Hollywood.

OMG  OMG Dr Murrary is NOT a board certified cardiologist!!   His partner Dr. Armstrong had his license suspended from 2006 to 2008, a few months ago  WTF!     This was a report on ABC NEWS NIGHTLY tonight.

Medication Removed from Michael Jackson's House as Part of Coroner's Investigation
Extensive Testing Will Take Four to Five Weeks

Workers from the Los Angeles County coroner's office returned to Michael Jackson's home this afternoon, taking medication and other evidence for their investigation of how the pop star died

Ed Winter, the assistant chief county coroner, said that based on information obtained by the Los Angeles Police Department, his office had more questions about the medications in Jackson's home.

The investigation will continue for four to five weeks and will include extensive testing, he said.

"The family has been extremely cooperative," he said.

Members of the Jackson family have expressed doubts about the coroner's investigation, and today Joe Jackson said he will wait for a private autopsy to be performed before burying his son.

Also today, the promoter that runs the London arena where Jackson was scheduled to perform 50 concerts announced that it would offer full refunds to people who bought tickets to the shows.

AEG Live, the promoter, said that fans can also receive the concert tickets as souvenirs, but then they would not receive full refunds.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/Story?id=7934658&page=2

More Staple Center Rehearsal Photo taken June 23, 2009:
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Last Look at one of Michael Jackson's Final Rehearsals
Pop star Michael Jackson rehearses for his planned shows in London at the Staples Center June 23, 2009 in Los Angeles. Jackson died two days later at the age of 50 after going into cardiac arrest June 25, 2009 in his Los Angeles home.
( Kevin Mazur/AEG/WireImage/Getty Images)
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This one taken at a LA rehearsal on May 6, 2009 a few weeks earlier
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Last Look at one of Michael Jackson's Final Rehearsals
Michael Jackson and choreographer Kenny Ortega rehearse for the "This Is It" concert tour May 6, 2009, in Burbank, Calif. During a news conference to announce the tour last March, Jackson called the concert series his "final curtain call."
(John Shearer/AEG/Concerts West via Getty Images)
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Deepak Chopra says MJ had Lupus. Postive for the antibodies. An auto immune disease. He also had self loathing and a poor body image. The plastic surgery was a form of self mutilation.
Nanny Grace ( not a typo )  is with the kiddos at Katherine Jackson's house.
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There was no land line for the phone in the house and the doctor did not know the street addy, so he started to yell for security. It was a while before 911 was called and that was why. A gazillion + buckaroonies and no land line. A doctor who did not know the street addy of where he was. Very lame.
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I have less than a gazillion + buckaroonies and I have a land line. People that come here are not doctors but they know where they are at and they usually know the address of where they spend the night. And one of them is just 11. And much smarter than this doctor. What a dumb ass this doctor is.

My source was Anderson Cooper's program for the above, not the Toxic place. In Deepak's own words. And lawyer for the Dumb Ass Doctor.
Goodnight. Stay tuned. It is bound to get more ridiculous.

I had never heard that MJ had Lupus until Chopra told it.
His interview was quite interesting.

I had heard about the lupus years ago, but never knew if it was a true or false thing.
I had a friend who had lupus. It was very bad for a long time, then she was hospitalized for it. They used a drugs that was used for cancer treatment as almost a last resort. She is fine now. She still had lupus but it is dormant. Lupus takes a different course with each individual.

We had a neighbor that had Lupus and died. I don't know if this is true but I read, and don't ask me where, he had skin cancer. Kat I'm obsessed like you, just like I was with Anna Nichol.

I heard on Fox this morning, there will be a horse drawn carriage with Michael in it, going down the streets of LA. I'm not sure what streets, but people aren't going to take to kindly for this inconvenience with driving. That's way over the top, and I hope the Jackson family is paying for all the extra security  ::MonkeyRoll::

Jackson/Rowe Not the Biological Parents
Posted Jun 30th 2009 10:00AM by TMZ Staff

We've learned Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro -- outside the womb.

Multiple sources deeply connected to the births tell us Michael was not the sperm donor for any of his kids. Debbie's eggs were not used. She was merely the surrogate, and paid well for her services in the births of Michael Jr. and Paris.

In the case of Prince Michael II (the youngest), we're told the surrogate was never told of the identity of the "receiving parent" -- Michael Jackson. Three days after Prince was born at Grossmont Hospital in San Diego County, Jackson's lawyer came to the hospital to pick the baby up and deliver him to Michael.

We do not know if Jackson chose the sperm or egg donors or if he even knew who they were.

Although Rowe is not the biological mother, it's not a slam dunk that she would lose a custody battle. This type of case has never been litigated in California courts. Since Rowe was married to Jackson when Michael Jr. and Paris were born, there's a presumption that she's the biological parent. That presumption can be rebutted by other evidence.

We know there are documents outlining the whole arrangement for the birth of all three kids. Nonetheless, it's still an open issue with the courts.

I am tiring of my  little obsession. Anna's death and the media circus drove me crazy also.

We are fed such nonsense by the news networks I watch up here, mostly CNN. When these persons open their mouths and say stuff, like, He was ok the last time I saw him, I never saw him do drugs, blah blah, do they expect us to believe this crapola ?   

I guess they do. Endless talk, making excuses. I saw the bags of drugs being taken out of his rented home, what is that excuse going to be? He was running a pharmacy out of his house? I promised myself after the Anna mess, I wouldn't follow so closely this kind of event again, but....

NoRose,we were all pretty much saying that the other day.You can't help but be curious.
I would like the facts without all the drama.
Kat_Gram,his friends are lying,no doubt.MJ hadn't been alright for years.
They should be ashamed of themselves.

I am thinking Bill and Michael died in much the same way.  Like an electrical arc to an old appliance, the parts just couldnt hold up.

just read the TMZ article about Michael and Debra not being the bio parents...
the children do not look like they have a trace of black in them to me...hubby and I were talking about that last night...is it possible to have a black bio parent and not 1 of the kids have any black characteristics at all? my niece is half black/half white and she is a gorgeous girl but she looks like she is, a beautiful mixed child...look at Kate and Jon's children...and Seal and Heidi Klums children...all mixed but they look like a part of each parent...imo Michael's do not...
 
I very seldom use the term "mixed"  so if I need to be corrected, and it is no longer correct to use this term, please do so...xxxx

 Jackson Never Adopted Kids
Posted Jun 30th 2009 11:47AM by TMZ Staff

We've learned Michael Jackson never adopted his three children, even though he's not the biological father.

We broke the story that neither Jackson nor Debbie Rowe are the biological parents of Michael Jr. and Paris. And Michael was not the biological parent of Prince Michael II either.

Now here's the rub. We've learned Jackson never filed legal papers to adopt any of his children. Legal experts tell us Jackson would be presumed the father but it's not conclusive by any means.

As for why Jackson didn't formally adopt -- we're told at the time the kids were born there was no third party whom he believed would try and claim custody. For some reason, Jackson never thought Debbie Rowe would mount a custody challenge.

MORE INSANITY

oh my! what a mess this is all going to be! those poor little kids!
now will the bio moms come in to try to take them away...? strictly for the money!

I hope that the courts will keep the kids with Michael's mother..not Joe Jackson..the mother

Are Joe Jackson and Mrs. Jackson even still living together? I thought that they did not reside together...

They found him!

The father of Michael Jackson's children Prince and Paris is none other than Jackson's L.A.-based dermatologist and Rowe's former boss, Arnold Klein.

"He is the dad," one of many sources tells Us Weekly. "He and Debbie signed an agreement saying they would never reveal the truth."

Rowe also claimed that she carried his children as a personal favor, "I said, 'Let me do this. You need to be a dad. You have been so good to me.'"

Rowe and Jackson met when she was a nurse's assistant in the 80's.
(No Katherine and Joe Jackson don't live together. Joe lives in Vegas, Katherine in Encino.)

Jackson's family has not said when or where the funeral will be held, but it will almost certainly take place in the next few days, meaning a logistical nightmare for Los Angeles police.

"We are preparing for an event of historic proportions,” an LAPD official said.  “We will be cooperating closely with the family once they have decided to hold the funeral."                                                                 ( (We have enough problems here, we don't need this circus atmosphere, period)

Rosie...was this on TMZ? I would like to see a picture of this guy...maybe I will google it...

I found a picture of him...also a US weekly article about it...hmmmmm

I didn't see a pic of him, this is going to be in the upcoming Us Weekly magazine.

What a flippin mess!   This is too muckin fuch for words.   If this is the case then the only thing binding is the fact in California if you have custody of children for more than two years as a "presumed parent" then you are assumed that parent.   

This seems like another stunt by Debbie Rowe so she has standing in claiming the children not because she gives a hoot but she can get mo' money.  I mean how convenient Debbie & Michael agree not to reveal by contract who the bio dad donor is but here we are announcing who he is, if indeed this even factual.   So who broke the agreement, hmmm.    Im holding out to see legal filings and DNA.

I'm left with just this to say, those poor children do not deserve any of this & Michael would just die if he didnt die already seeing what is going on now.   I cannot fathom that a man who had been sued & prosecuted for a multitude of different things would have not made sure his parentage was secured whether it be biological or adoption, he couldn't have been that naive, no?  Maybe.    I'm really beginning to wonder just how many previous allegations were ever true seeing the scum crawling out of the woodwork upon his death but obviously had previously plotted ways to extort money out of his fortune both in life and in death.   I am in no way not recognizing he was odd & could be guilty of some accusations but doesn't all of this make you wonder considering the leeches and slugs that wormed their way in to his life.   These type of people know what type of individuals are susceptible to being taken advantage of whether it be of challenged intelligence and/or broken spirit.   The entire saga is quite a bit to wrap one's head around it.

Funeral plans begin to unfold:

Jackson's Body to Return to Neverland
Posted Jun 30th 2009 12:20PM by TMZ Staff
http://www.tmz.com/
We've just learned Michael Jackson's body is set to be driven to Neverland Ranch late Thursday morning.

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ upwards of a 30 car motorcade -- including Jackson's body -- will be traveling from Los Angeles to Neverland at 10 AM on Thursday.

We're told law enforcement is currently meeting to discuss security and traffic control.  Our sources say plans are in the works for a public viewing to take place on either Friday or Saturday.


I havent been to other threads or this one much today & I will be stopping in when I can but Im running around doing last minute things because tomorrow begins my glorious summer break from college visit with my daughter.

Well if anyone steps up to the plate to be the Daddy or the Mommy, then they should have to pay back child support in the style to which those kids lived. 
Debbie had those kids. She was married to MJ at the time. So unless someone comes up with some DNA etc and can prove who the Daddy is, MJ is the Daddy and Debbie is the Mommy.
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Or, they could just hold this up in court forever. Or until the kids are over 25 or so. 
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There must have been some agreements $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

As Im thinking about this, there were at least two custody hearings involving Debbie Rowe previously.   Wouldn't one think that parentage was determined then - the question is what was sealed because she settled out of court to a reported couple of million & a home in Beverly Hills.   O boi! ::MonkeyNoNo::

We're told law enforcement is currently meeting to discuss security and traffic control. Our sources say plans are in the works for a public viewing to take place on either Friday or Saturday.
(A public viewing either Friday or Saturday the 4th of July, who is paying for all this nonsense, oh let me guess us tax payers of California. It better not be Sat, we usually go to Venice Beach/boardwalk in Santa Monica for the 4th. I'm just fuming right now. I can just imagine the traffic  ::MonkeyEek::)

HMMMM...so it gets more interesting!

Cops Interested in Another Michael Jackson Doc Posted Jun 30th 2009 1:38PM by TMZ Staff

We've learned the LAPD wants to talk to Michael Jackson's longtime dermatologist Arnold Klein about drugs he may have prescribed or given Michael Jackson.

We're told Klein has already gotten a lawyer but as far as we know the LAPD has not spoken with him.

Michael Jackson was seen repeatedly going in and out of Dr. Klein's Beverly Hills office in months before he died.

Newly alleged "Baby daddy" pushin drugs to MJ    This makes 3 doctors so far  Tohme, Murry & now Klein.   A cardiologist does not prescribe or give demorol, Tohme is not an MD & now this dude, Klein is a dermatologist and what the heck would a dermatologist normally prescribe a patient...hmmm

Yup, "Death by entourage" collectively or with different self-motivations.   That being said, MJ has to be made responsible as well for letting it happen whether he was a hott mess, taken advantage of, abused, whatever but that doesnt mean others should not be held accountable for what they did.

Foxnews cable is stating that there are meeting going on right now about arrangements.   I doubt sincerely that they will encourage the actual funeral on the 4th due to holiday traveling, I could be wrong.  

I don't even know what to say...wow.What a mess. 

I agree Cappy.Little something in it for all of them.When you sit back and look at the whole picture,I don't really put anything past any of this bunch.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Beyond mind boggling, ey?

And I'll bet there will be more doctors involved also. LAPD took out two fairly large bags yesterday.

Cops Target Needles in Jackson Search
Posted Jun 30th 2009 1:45PM by TMZ Staff

We now know what the LAPD was after when it got a search warrant for Michael Jackson's home.

The warrant was specifically targeted to find controlled substances and paraphernalia -- in particular needles.

LOL you must have check the same time I did...DAM it looks like criminal charges could very well be possible with several individuals.

I would be remiss if I didnt mention that today marks our troops pulling out of Iraq minus what is said will be training for Iraqi soldiers still in place.  I always have them in my prayers, as an Army mom I just wanted to express somewhere in the forum that I thank them all for their service.   God bless our troops![/color]

Ah Cappy,I'm with ya on that one.and tomorrow is a big day for you too.  ::MonkeyDance::
You're gonna have a great time.
Thanks for all the updates.  ::MonkeyWink::

A skin doctor would / could prescribe for lupus. Also for the skin disease he had, can't spell the damn thing. If he had lupus, that would 'splain one of the lawyers saying that MJ was in pain every time he saw him. Lupus is an auto immune disease that could any part of your body. I like the way Dr. Deepak Chopra explained it. Your cells start attacking not just the enemy cells, but all of your good cells too. The attacker cells don't know who is a friend or a foe. Sort of like people,eh ?
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Oh the tales that are going to be spun will keep the NE, TMZ and such in business for years.
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After all of the recent revelations I would not be surprised if the drugs were not at a toxic level. I am just saying this because of what Deepak said. If MJ was having injections for anything frequently, he might have been doing it intravenously.
He could have even had a line in.
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When would they call a coroner's inquest ? Do they have those things in SoCal ?   

Tks Trimm!   Im flippin!! ::cartwheel::

From a medical standpoint I would agree & I have no doubt that due to his ailments combined he was in pain (so many fall from abuse of prescription drug addiction - thats why despite my spine issues I refuse to take any type of opiates unless it is absolutely excuriating & nothing relieves it & even then very rarely) BUT NOW we have this Dr. Klein claiming to be "baby daddy" which seems like any likely motive as any other leech in this swamp.

I like the word leeches and slugs. Debbie "sold " the kids twice.
I wonder why he didn't have his own kids . 

Report: Jackson Public Viewing Set For Friday  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Attorney Also Reportedly Says Will Has Been Found

POSTED: 11:03 am MST June 30, 2009
UPDATED: 11:42 am MST June 30, 2009
Michael Jackson's body will return to his Neverland Ranch for a public viewing on Friday, CNN has reported.

His body will return on Thursday morning, and a private memorial service is scheduled for Sunday, according to CNN.

Also, CNN reported that Jackson family lawyer Londell McMillan said that a will left behind by Jackson has been found. The will was reportedly written in 2002.

The singer's hometown of Gary, Ind., reportedly has asked the Jackson family to send him there, according to the mayor's spokeswoman, Lalosa Burns.
http://www.kpho.com/entertainment/19905190/detail.html#

Open?   Seriously?   OK so an escort entourage to return him to Neverland Thursday, the public viewing Friday, the private memorial Sunday and that should conclude the funeral?  Then court Monday, wow.

In the light of the charges laid in the Anna Nicole Smith case against the two doctors
and Howard Stern, you can bet these " doctors " are very afraid. All of his doctors.
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When we hear about the size of his pharmacy bill, we were led by the media to assume it was for mind altering drugs. If he was being treated for lupus or other physical ailments, those drugs are really expensive. Up here, I know of someone whose one prescription for cancer ( chemo drug ) was $ 60,000.00. We have a drug plan at work and she only had to pay the co insured portion of 20 %, but she had to pay the full amount up front, then put in for the reimbursement.  Yikes.

That's awful. I'm assuming some of the drugs were for legitimate reasons. I also read xanax and zoloft. I'm curious how much pain meds were found. You bet those doctors are running scared.

Well, well, well....and that Debbie is not the bio mother....WHO is the mother?

These poor, poor children..

To quote Cappucino "This is just too muckin fuch to deal with"!

And we will probably know. Might take a while, but the information will become public if there are ever charges or an inquest. Or the info might come out in lawsuits when everyone and their dog presents an unpaid bill for something to the Estate.
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In the 2005 ? trial there was a seizure of drugs from the ranch. Oxman mentioned it.

So he owns 1/2 of the ranch along with the real estate company. The original gate is where I don't know because I saw it in an auction catalogue. He bought it for 18 Mil, he owed 24 mil on it when the deal was made and he didn't have the 12 that they wanted. Even with the saving of having no land line in the house in Bel Air.
It had been renamed the Sycamore Valley Ranch, its former name. 

It's hard to believe that I could be stunned by anything else around MJ, but that he never formally adopted any of his 3 children surprises me.  I, myself, would have surely made sure they were legally my children if I wanted to be a parent as badly as he said he did.  Especially, with Debbie and MJ, neither one of them being a bio parent.

Wow, just wow!

I read that the authorities are now looking at Klein, another of MJ's doctors AND who I read in this forum is the bio dad...hmmm....wouldn't surprise me if Klein goes after the kids and the estate for the kids, too!

Jackson/Rowe not the biological parents

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-surrogate-children-in-vitro/

Jackson never adopted kids:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-michael-jr-paris-prince-michael-adoption-surrogate/

On Diane Dimond's site, she thinks that TMZ reporting that Debbie Rowe is not the bio mother is in error. 

http://dianedimond.net/the-real-jackson-baby-daddy-the-dermatologist-and-cops-like-him-for-prescription-fraud/#more-2030

Neverland Reps: Watch Out, Santa Barbara
Posted Jun 30th 2009 4:57PM by TMZ Staff

The part owners of Neverland Ranch have released a letter to the residents of Santa Barbara, warning of the impending madness that will engulf the county if a public viewing of MJ's body occurs later this week.

The letter -- sent by a rep for Colony Capital, LLC -- calls Neverland a "temporary sanctuary" for Michael Jackson fans who "will come, with or without permission or an invitation."

The doc also addresses Neverland's dark past by saying, "As we all know, the impressions left by Michael's last interaction with Santa Barbara County were not positive." But it goes on to say, "Michael was accused, tried and acquitted in our county and found innocent on all counts."

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0630_barrak.pdf    The entire letter


A public warning, seriously?  Understandably, some are going to feel inconvenienced by traffic be it by vehicle and/or pedestrian, but I can't imagine why anyone would even remotely think that as huge as this entertainer was that his funeral would be small and convenient, its just unrealistic.  Why on earth would this Joanne Lessner of Owen Blicksilver Public Relations have felt it was necessary to mention allegations and that he was found innocent of all charges in a letter addressing him laying in wake at what was his home & vision, Neverland - regardless that there are shared owners now.   Look in all fairness, there were many sick children & their families that benefited from the joy that compound brought them (no Im not talking about allegations) by Michael's generosity.   He also gave back to that direct community in more personal ways to the residents as they themselves reported, I bet 100 fold to this Joanne Lessner.  Maybe she should have also included his over 300 million in charity he gave personally to over 39 charities around the world if she wanted to be fair & balanced in the name of "community hospitality."   Im sorry but I fail to see the necessity of bringing this up in an open letter to the community...like duh who doesnt know this or since when has it stopped being discussed.   All I am saying is, if they are offering courtesies and respect you'd think that would be expected regardless of how some may feel in the public despite his not guilty verdicts, a letter regarding his wake seems a rather inappropriate time to regurgitate it.   PS I hardly care if this woman is a horse rancher or anything else for that matter, what the H was that about, she made it all too obvious she has an agenda.   Maybe, just maybe she and others are making too much of what is to be expected Friday, Neverland isnt like around the corner from LA & it is a holiday weekend, there might be a smaller crowd than anticipated.   More business people setting up for what they will sue his estate for in the days to years to come.  Jesus, there are years to come for vultures to pick what is left...extending hospitality would be to give him his departure in death to be recognized for what he did accomplish both in the industry & for charity then let him be put to rest.

I call it like I see it & I try to be well-rounded in thought & fair.  His estate will be in litigation for years & some of us will follow it, some will look at just the headlines but eventually even his saga will fade with the level of coverage we are seeing the past few days, no matter who it is it always does.   Ah, a penny for all my thoughts LOL..for whatever they are actually worth.

US MAGAZINE article re: bio dad / dermatoligist.  Also, thinks Debbie IS the bio mom.

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/michael-jackson-is-not-biological-dad-of-kids-2009306

We all suspected he was not the Bio-Dad.
Cappy, I have been to the sewer called TMZ and read the some of the comments. Alot of hatred towards him because of the charges.
And quite a few gossipy allegations about his sexuality.
I don't really want to repeat some of it here. Don't want to dirty up this place.
The family is best to get this over with and have their private service and retreat to their world they live in. It will die down. It is not 24 / 7 all the time and there is nothing in my local paper.
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With Anna Nicole, I was so obsessed and I think it had something to do with that beautiful baby and the evil Howard.

 
 

Concrete Evidence Found at Neverland
Posted Jun 30th 2009 5:39PM by TMZ Staff

A shipment of concrete was just delivered to the Neverland Ranch.

We saw the concrete truck drive onto the property. A rep from the construction company told us they got a call today for 32,000 pounds of the hard stuff -- for what, we're not sure ... but it's certainly interesting ...

I was over there during the ANS saga, I was very concerned for the baby & it was pure filth then too...we probably crossed paths many a night.   I don't read the comments anymore because quite frankly those types of opinions whether I agree with the general thought or not are worthless when they are expressed with pure hate & crudeness beyond reason. 

I can understand how people are very concerned about what he was accused of.  I cannot say I havent had the same concerns & delibrated over what is fact & fiction, its still very troubling to me nor am I discounting it after his death.   As far as his sexuality, well I'll leave it at I really don't care about that aspect of someone's personal life so long as it doesnt directly effect me or mine in a negative manner or harms others in a misguided fashion,  its not my business.

Looking at the pictures of him in rehearsal on June 23rd, he doesnt same as frail as other times he's been like during the trial.  He seemed jovial & active enough that it seems in conflict with what transpired 2 days later.  He's thin but he looks to be more about 120 not 108 as some reported. goodness not that extra 12 pounds doesnt make him rail thin.    So many questions, some will never be answered Im afraid.

Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.

Michael's Will -- Katherine Should Get Custody
Posted Jun 30th 2009 8:11PM by TMZ Staff

There are reports that Michael Jackson's will says the singer wanted his mom, Katherine, to get custody and wanted assets to be placed in trust.

The will, according to the AP, lists Jackson's lawyer, John Branca, and John McClain, a music exec, as executors.

The will has not been filed with the court.

As for custody -- the will does matter, but ultimately the decision on who gets custody is in the hands of the judge.

The Jackson Family lawyers are on LKL !
Finally, some truth !
ps :  lol

  ::MonkeyEek:: I suppose Larry will be covering this crap for another week.

It will go on longer than a week. Forever. Let there be lawyers !
The slicker and slipperier the better.
Larry King Live, Nancy Grace, Nanny Grace, Miko & Tito.
Everyone in the Jackson family has four lawyers. The children need lawyers. Oh, Gloria Alred will file a motion on behalf of the children. Octomom will sue MJ for knocking her off the airwaves. A new tort law will be written : Alienation of media time.
Jon and Kate are pouting in separate houses. What about their kids. They need air time too ! 
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Jackson's body to be on public view starting Friday
Michael Jackson's body will be moved by motorcade to his sprawling Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County on Thursday for a sort of lying-in-state period where friends, family and fans can pay their respects until funeral plans are finalized, media reports said Tuesday.
Visitors will be allowed to see the body on Friday and a private memorial service for family only will be held Sunday, the reports said, citing unnamed law enforcement sources preparing to handle traffic tie-ups from a 30-car motorcade.

Capt. David Sadecki of the Santa Barbara County Fire Dept., confirmed that county fire and sheriff's officials and the California Highway Patrol met Tuesday to discuss handling a motorcade to Neverland bearing Jackson's body. However, there was no official confirmation of the family's plans.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-06-30-jackson-news_N.htm?csp=34

snow white hearse / horse drawn carriage

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196626/Michael-Jacksons-body-fairytale-public-viewing-Neverland-Ranch-funeral-Sunday.html

TMZ - is the first one to say MJ was deceased - while, for hourse, LA Times told us he was in a coma.  We now know that LA Times finally admitted they were going on a rumor from someone about the coma (don't know who).  We also now know that MJ was deceased by the time the emergency team reached the house.  A call to 911 was unbelievably delayed.

TMA - as for the comment section and the people who write the comments - I simply don't allow myself to go there.  I rarely even go to TMZ...except for this time...SO FAR...they seem to be the one's with the most accurate information.  I say "most" accurate because I don't 100% believe anything around MJ; never have, never will.  It's ALWAYS soooo convaluted and surrounded in varying details.

That father...Joe...couldn't believe what he said about "he's got a new record company".
Well, how did he do that?  Where's he getting the money?  Is he using MJ's money?


I really, really, hope that when the Will is filed in court this week, that we find out one rumor to be true....that 2 lawyers are the executors of the Will and not MJ's mother.  Not that I have anything against MJ's mother, but that everyone in the family seems to be so afraid of Joe that I'm assuming that includes the mother and that she may acquiesce to demands from Joe.

Sorry to run on sooo long.

Second autopsy stuns family:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/hermesfeed/2509846/Second-Michael-Jackson-autopsy-stuns-family.html

Warning this is going to be a long one because over the next 2 weeks I wont be on but maybe to check in when the kids are otherwise occupied & I get a chance to sit for a few minutes.

Watched Anderson Cooper & Dr Gupta was on (hes very accurate) along with a nurse who claims she was a nutritionist for MJ for months but hadnt spoken to him in 3 months.   Last time she spoke to him she is claiming that MJ wanted Deprivan (its used in hospitals as anesthsia, mainly for brief surgical procedures) because he was having trouble sleeping for more than 3 hours, she stated that he had told her a previous doctor had given it to him before.  She advised that he should not have it & it was dangerous.  He was reportedly complaining that one side was hot & one side was cold this past Sunday & this nurse Cecilia something or other thinks now that he was given this or something as to why his central nervous system may ahve been reacting.  "Someone" in his camp called her last Sunday.    Now, this medication even in hospitals has a specific protocol to follow & there is a prep involved to administer it, monitor etc...bare with me Im familiar with medial knowledge but its not something I can speak to with the appropriate expertise but that's a rough understanding of Deprivan.   It is a fast acting substance that puts a patient to sleep rather quickly.  It is not known to be prescribed to a patient outside of surgical procedures.   Anderson Cooper wisely asked this nurse if she spoke to LAPD, she said no.  Take it for what that is worth, yet just another twist in an ongoing saga.

The three attorneys for Katherine were on AC as well.   They showed clips of the dancers getting auditions & making the tour with Michael coming in to meet them, he seemed relatively in good spirits & decent shape but you can see he had a good bit of restricted movement & that was May...interesting.   Greta has been covering it as well for a few minutes each night, I didnt catch her because Ive been really busy between breaks.... a few more hours and my babygirl will be here for 2 weeks  WOOT WOOT 

As far as the custody issue, it will be contested by money grubbing slugs BUT I stand firm on what I said a few days ago:   Michael is listed as these childrens father, additionally whether he slept with Debbie Row or not they were married & lived together with the children, he maintained custody thereafter (she took a cash settlement, brings new meaning to the word "cash cow"-sorry couldnt resist).   In California there is a presumption of parentage after 2 years to the custodial parent, it doesnt matter if it is biological, legally adopted or otherwise.   Katherine's standing strengthens if this will from 2002 holds up in which it states Michael wanted her to have custody.  He omits is father from care of his children & reportedly didnt leave him anything, that speaks rather loud & clear.  Debbie chose to walk away, this doctor remained silent & reportedly signed an agreement to NEVER disclose the details - the fact that someone obviously blabbed will be considered a breech of contract (it doesnt matter that MJ is deceased).   I do not think Katherine or the rest of the family will let Joe be in any power or great influence whatsoever, she reportedly hasnt lived with him in over a decade & he was residing in Las Vegas, I pray Im right about that up and over quite a bit to soak in.  To win over these issues of custody would be a very large mountain to climb & I do not see it happening.  Katherine will be given custody.   I hope with a guardian ad litem & a second person in line that is capable & appropriate to continue caring for them God forbid her health begins to fail considering her age, such as Janet.

Debbie Rowe refuses to say whether she will attend court proceedings and/or seek custody but said she was grieving (yea whateva woman).   This Dr. Klein refuses to comment whether he is the bio dad donor.  Neither of them will prevail, so IMHO all this debate is moot but more for television drama.  Even if the court takes its due process in hearing from all parties, I doubt the outcome will in the end be any different.  At best Debbie Rowe may be given some sort of visitation rights....we shall see if I was right.

OK now for something lighter but equally as ridiculous, did any of you see this woman that was being questioned by a police dept and she had a squirrel hidden in her oversized chest....I kid you not!

Cyas on the other threads & here as I can, for those I miss have a blessed & safe 4th!

Dangerous Drug Found in Jackson Home
Posted Jun 30th 2009 11:39PM by TMZ Staff

Sources tell TMZ an extremely dangerous and potent drug used for surgical anesthesia was found at Michael Jackson's house after he died.

We're told the drug Propofol was discovered at the residence. The drug is used to put people under anesthesia before surgery. It is an extremely powerful drug that is only available to medical personnel. As one source said, "There is no conceivable way this drug can be properly prescribed for home use."

The drug can only be administered with an IV. Interestingly, Propofol burns and the drug Lidocaine is used to reduce the pain associated with the Propofol injection. As we first reported, Lidocaine was found near Jackson's body.

One of the major side-effects of Propofol is cardiac arrest if it's taken in combination with narcotic painkillers, however, Propofol is so powerful it can stop someone's heart on its own.

A registered nurse has come out and said Jackson begged her for the drug Diprivan -- the brand name for Propofol. She says he needed it for insomnia but she declined to supply it.

Sources say the drug is so inappropriate and reckless for home use, if a doctor facilitated it for Jackson, he or she could be prosecuted for manslaughter.

O.k., since the media can't seem to put this in perspective, I will.  I'm sorry that Michael Jackson has died, just as I am with any other human being.  That being said, the man was no God and didn't walk on water (not even once).  Yes, he had an incredible gift from God for music and dance, but that doesn't make him God.  To hear Joe Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson tell it, Michael was Martin Luther King,Jr. and Jesus all rolled up into one (absolutely no offense to Jesus).  He was a gifted man, but just a man.
I feel sorriest for his children, who according to all indications, were raised to depend solely on him to meet their needs (in view of an ever changing cast of nannies and other employees).  Personally, I think Michael Jackson was very selfish and self-centered.   He had two children, who were motherless on a daily basis.  Then he purposefully chose to make his third child motherless.  Add to that the fact that he named each child after himself and I'm sorry...but the children were a means to an end...they literally insured that his "name" would live on.  I read a commentary last night that got me thinking.  Think about it..everything Michael Jackson did was a calculated move: Neverland (his Graceland); his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley and having three children named after himself.  He didn't just want to be as famous as Elvis Presley, he strove to exceed Elvis Presley.  Elvis was stopped by his mortality.  Michael wanted to be immortal-hence naming his children after himself, he ensures he will not be forgotten by his fans. JMO  Regardless of what his family says, there's no way a grown man who: wears full face makeup; makes his children appear in public in veils and ridiculous masks; won't eat or drink when he's stressed; moves his developing children (who need stability and security)from pillar to post on a whim; and doesn't allow his children to interract with any other children- to possibly raise "normal, well-adjusted" children.  IF he suffered from arrested development (as the child-molestation psychologist asserted), I think he used those children to meet his emotional need for affirmation and as substitute friends (think Willie Wonka syndrome).  The problem with this is that the children would bear the burden and anxiety of meeting his needs, as opposed to him meeting their needs for a parent.  It was obvious that Michael Jackson could not sustain an adult relationship, much less a marital one.  It was all about him (per Lisa Marie Presley's posts).  IMO, because of the physical/emotional abuse of his childhood, he was looking for someone who would only exist to serve his emotional needs.  Lisa Marie Presley was attracted to him because subconsciously she was comfortable (familiar) with that because that's how Elvis (her father) was. Psychologically, fathers imprint on their daughter's subconscious as to what a husband/father should be.  That's why most women subconsciously choose someone just like their father (good or bad).  Lisa Marie was unwilling to exist solely for Michael, at the expense of her health and her children.  Wisely, she realized what was going on and divorced him.  Enter Debbie Rowe, who for whatever reason (fame, money, fanaticism), married Michael, only to bow out two years and two children later.  Whether she served the purpose of settling rumors regarding his sexuality or bearing him children, she obviously didn't love those children as a genuine mother does. Enter the children, his legacy (if you will), who do exist to meet his needs (think Michael carelessly laughing as he dangled baby #3 from the hotel balcony for the shock value).  They've kept him in the press (rare and calculated public appearances with veiled and masked faces), proof of his masculinity trotted out whenever publicity wanes...IMO.  The sequestered lifestyle with no same age playmates for the children and little to no interaction with his own family suggests he wanted to be their world.  He created his own self-adoring world, peopled with self-made fans, where he was the one in control. JMO
As for his appearance, I think he was desperately trying to make a statement there too.  He was trying to remake his image in his own right. IMO, he was trying to erase any vestige of cute little Michael Jackson of the Jackson 5 (and all it's baggage), as well as any family resemblance to Joe Jackson. IMO  I think he delighted in keeping people guessing about his appearance, his sexuality, his children, etc.  It gave him the control he never had growing up. I think he spent his life trying to rewrite his past and right the wrongs imposed upon him.  I feel sorry for him-what a tormented way to live.  Given his Neverland child molestation testimony, I can only hope and pray he was benign to his children.  I was somewhat worried when I saw the pics of Prince Michael #1 holding hands with Paris-Michael (taken some time back).  What pre-teen boy holds hands with his sister (much less willingly)? Also, in all the pics, Blanket always seems to kind of trail along almost as an afterthought. We see Prince Michael and Paris-Michael interacting with each other, but neither interacting with or really including Blanket.  Hhhmmm.   

Excellent post ISpy ... in a nutshell  ::MonkeyDance::

Those are some really great observations, Puzzler and Cappy.
My take on MJ. He had enough money to have whatever he wanted.
Look what he chose.
If he did have lupus or any other physical condition, better choices could have been made.
He could have overcome his childhood. Most people do.
I am a fan of his music, not the man or his persona as it developed later on. His music was wonderful in about 1985 and then it wasn't.
He was not the person that Al Sharpton makes him out to be and I don't know what his contribution to culture was. He was a music and dance genuis.
I heard a piece on CNN about the value of his Estate and it will be more now that he is deceased. The Jackson Family lawyers spoke of the " legacy"  and they don't want this legacy tarnished by untrue reporting.
A new image of Micheal will be designed and it will be one that will be used for marketing. It will have no relation to what he really was.
I think he was mentally ill. The interview clips of him trying to defend himself show someone who is over 40 who is out of touch with his own persona and the rest of the world.
As far as TMZ goes, I haven't been there at all since Anna Nicole passed and now this. They have been fairly accurate so far with reporting some of the circumstances. I'll just stay away from their comment section.
After the 1993 molestation case, he was told to not put himself in a position where claims could be made, false or true. And yet he did.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196447/Refund-750-000-Jackson-fans-02-promoter-pushes-star-tribute-show.html

Plans for a tribute show.

::MonkeyEek::

  ::MonkeyCool:: excellent

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

Really good posts, ISPY and Capp, you do us proud!!!

Well, that isn't over the top  ::MonkeyRoll::

Jackson's Last Will -- Diana Ross Mentioned
Posted Jul 1st 2009 12:10PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's will has been filed with the court. Jackson asks that his mother, Katherine, be made the guardian of all three of his kids. The will says if Katherine died before him or couldn't serve as guardian, he nominated Diana Ross.

And there's a petition filed along with the will, saying Jackson's estate is worth more than $500,000,000. The petition says almost all of the estate "consists of non-cash, non-liquid assets, including primarily an interest in a catalog of music royalty rights which is currently being administered by Sony-ATV, and interests in various entities."

As we first reported, the will leaves everything to the Michael Jackson Family Trust, stating, "I give my entire estate to the Trustee or Trustees..."

The will declares that Jackson is not married.

The will names John Branca, John McClain and Barry Siegel as co-Executors. Branca was Jackson's lawyer, McClain is a music exec and Siegel was Jackson's accountant. But Siegel resigned from his role as executor in 2003.

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0701_mj_will_wm.pdf

Im in a hurry, my daughter is an hour away from arriving!   Ill check in later tonight here & elsewhere as I can.  MUAH!

Have a great visit Capp  ::MonkeyDance::

Jackson's will cuts out ex-wife Debbie Rowe
Updated: 5 mins ago

LOS ANGELES -- Michael Jackson's 7-year-old will was filed Wednesday in a Los Angeles court, giving his entire estate to a family trust and cutting out his former wife Debbie Rowe.

The will, dated July 7, 2002, estimated his estate at that time at more than $500 million.

It names his mother, Katherine Jackson, as a beneficiary of the trust and the guardian of Jackson's children, who are named in the will.

It also names entertainer Diana Ross as a successor guardian for the children and their estates if something happens to Katherine Jackson.

Ross introduced the Jackson 5 on the Ed Sullivan Show in the late 1960s and was instrumental in launching their career. She was a lifelong friend of Michael Jackson.

Meanwhile, a person familiar with the situation said no public Jackson memorial was planned for Neverland.

Santa Barbara officials had discussed the possibility a memorial or public viewing could occur Thursday.

But the person, who is not authorized to speak for the family and requested anonymity, said nothing was planned for Neverland at least through Friday. The source said it appears more likely a funeral and burial will take place in Los Angeles. The family has the final say.

The person says billionaire Thomas Barrack, who owns Neverland in a joint venture with Jackson, sought an exemption to bury the singer at the ranch. But the person says it's a complicated process and it couldn't be done for a burial this week.

The will gives the entire estate to the Michael Jackson Family Trust. Details of the trust will not be made public.

The documents said Jackson's estate consisted almost entirely of "non-cash, non-liquid assets, including primarily an interest in a catalog of music royalty rights which is currently being administered by Sony ATV, and the interests of various entities."

One of Jackson's most lucrative assets is his stake in the massive Sony-ATV Music Publishing Catalog, which includes music by the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond, Lady Gaga and the Jonas Brothers, and is estimated to be worth as much as $2 billion.

Jackson's longtime lawyer John Branca and John McClain, a music executive and a family friend, are named in the will as co-executors.

In a statement, Branca and McClain said: "The most important element of Michael's will is his unwavering desire that his mother, Katherine, become the legal guardian for his three children. As we work to carry out Michael's instructions to safeguard both the future of his children as well as the remarkable legacy he left us as an artist we ask that all matters involving his estate be handled with the dignity and the respect that Michael and his family deserve."

The five-page will is signed by Jackson, and each paragraph includes Jackson's scrawling initials.

Jackson, who died Thursday at age 50, left behind three children: son Michael Joseph Jr., known as Prince Michael, 12; daughter Paris Michael Katherine, 11; and son Prince Michael II, 7. Rowe was the mother of the two oldest children; the youngest was born to a surrogate mother, who has never been identified.

Katherine Jackson was granted temporary guardianship Monday of Jackson's three children. A judge held off on requests to control the children's estates, and gave her limited control over her son's property.

Rowe, who was married to Jackson in 1996 and filed for divorce three years later, surrendered her parental rights. An appeals court later found that was done in error, and Rowe and Jackson entered an out-of-court settlement in 2006.

Neither Rowe nor her attorneys have indicated whether she intends to seek custody of the two oldest children.

Funeral plans have not yet been announced.

On Tuesday, heavy construction equipment and workers passed through the gates of Neverland Ranch, fueling speculation that it could soon be hosting Jackson's funeral or even a permanent memorial.

Groups of gardeners and florists bearing huge wreaths were also spotted on the 2,500-acre Santa Barbara County property about 120 miles northwest of Los Angeles.

Members of Jackson's family met Tuesday with officials from the Los Angeles police and California Highway Patrol about funeral services. But "details are still pending," according to Fran Clader, a spokeswoman for the patrol. The patrol would need to be consulted if the body was moved from Los Angeles to Neverland.

It was unclear whether Jackson could be legally buried at the ranch. The state's health and safety code makes interring any uncremated remains outside of a cemetery a misdemeanor. Cremated remains can be kept in a home or private mausoleum outside a cemetery.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=818673

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5706071/Michael-Jackson-not-biological-father-of-his-children.html

.........more of the same.

How plastic surgery changed the face of Michael Jackson
1 through 10
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/5649838/How-plastic-surgery-changed-the-face-of-Michael-Jackson.html

Do they all have blush on? Maybe it was a clown party  ::MonkeyRoll::

What can one say, besides why, and how creepy.

Jackson Family: No Public Viewing at Neverland
Posted Jul 1st 2009 3:25PM by TMZ Staff

The Jackson family has just released a statement via their newly acquired reps, saying there will be no public service for Michael Jackson at Neverland.

"Contrary to previous news reports, the Jackson family is officially stating that there will be no public or private viewing at Neverland.

Plans are underway regarding a public memorial for Michael Jackson, and we will announce those plans shortly."

Jackson Riddled with Injection Marks
Posted Jul 1st 2009 5:25PM by TMZ Staff

Multiple sources tell TMZ Michael Jackson's body had dozens of injection sites all over his body.

As we first reported, Propofol, a powerful anesthesia, was found in the house after Jackson died. Various medical experts tell us there is absolutely no medical justification for Jackson to have had this drug in his home -- it is used to knock people out before surgery. It is administered through an IV.

We're told Jackson wanted the drug to sleep and that he had cravings for anesthesia -- whenever he had even the most minor medical procedure ... he had the doctor put him under.

It is increasingly looking like Propofol may have caused Jackson to go into cardiac arrest and die. The doctors we spoke with say it's reckless for any doctor to supply Jackson with Propofol and especially reckless to administer it to him at home.

The fact that Jackson had dozens of injection sites on his body would have made it clear to any doctor that Jackson had a drug problem.

Criminal manslaughter is defined as the reckless disregard for human life. The talk in law enforcement -- this case seems to fit the bill.

frankly, I am getting tired of all this on tv and radio all day long..hard to tune in on any channel without rehashing the same old same old...maybe it is just me....dunno...why does the media talk everything to death imo?

Can you imagine the expense to transport Jackson's body 150 miles each way back and forth to Neverland? California is already broke...such an expense for the police and the motor cade...if the family wanted that, does anyone else think that they should pay for it? maybe I am just crabby today..
anyway, it is moot...seems it is not going to happen anyways...

I live in Cal, and there is no way I'm wanting my tax paying dollars going to this bs.

yes! awesome post!!! I agree !
I made a post before I read this one saying that I was sick of hearing about MJ already...wish I had read this one first...that's what I get for starting at the end of the thread instead of where I left off! lol!

Wow.He should have quit after #4.

Agreed

Jackson Riddled with Injection Marks
Posted Jul 1st 2009 5:25PM by TMZ Staff
Multiple sources tell TMZ Michael Jackson's body had dozens of injection sites all over his body.

As we first reported, Propofol, a powerful anesthesia, was found in the house after Jackson died. Various medical experts tell us there is absolutely no medical justification for Jackson to have had this drug in his home -- it is used to knock people out before surgery. It is administered through an IV.

We're told Jackson wanted the drug to sleep and that he had cravings for anesthesia -- whenever he had even the most minor medical procedure ... he had the doctor put him under.

It is increasingly looking like Propofol may have caused Jackson to go into cardiac arrest and die. The doctors we spoke with say it's reckless for any doctor to supply Jackson with Propofol and especially reckless to administer it to him at home.

The fact that Jackson had dozens of injection sites on his body would have made it clear to any doctor that Jackson had a drug problem.

Criminal manslaughter is defined as the reckless disregard for human life. The talk in law enforcement -- this case seems to fit the bill.

No Second Jackson Will
Posted Jul 1st 2009 9:45PM by TMZ Staff
There are all sorts of reports of a second Michael Jackson will -- we're told a second will does NOT exist.

We do know Jackson signed several wills prior to the one that was filed today in court. The will was signed in July, 2002 -- almost five months after Prince Michael Jackson II was born. We're told Jackson had wills before that but updated them after the birth of the third child.

The prior wills became null and void when Jackson signed the 2002 will.

Michael Jackson Funeral
Posted Jul 1st 2009 9:47PM by TMZ Staff
Everyone's speculating on Michael Jackson's funeral. We know three things for sure.

-- it won't be until next week
-- it will not be at Neverland
-- it will be in the L.A. area, and the Staples Center is an option but it hasn't been decided.

Beyond that -- the family still hasn't made its decision.

DEA Will Assist in Jackson Case
Posted Jul 1st 2009 9:48PM by TMZ Staff
Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the LAPD has asked the DEA to assist them in its investigation into multiple doctors who treated and prescribed medications for Michael Jackson.

The LAPD wants help in tracking down the source of medications. As we first reported, the powerful anesthesia Propofol was found in Jackson's home and it appears he got the drug through an IV before he died.

Do you have a link for this article, please?

Thanks for your comments, everyone!  I stand corrected on the children-not-playing-with-other-children,as pics released today by "Blanket's" godfather show Michael's children playing with his children.  Did anyone else notice Prince Michael's (#1) odd expressions in most of the pics?  There were 12 (on FOX I think).  I'm unsure if he just didn't like having his pic taken, or it happened so often he felt like he had to be "on", or what.  Where a few of the pics were taken seemed really odd to me also.  Prince Michael seemed really uncomfortable.  The very first pic (Blanket's 1st birthday party) creeped me out also.  It definitely looks like the whole family was wearing blush.  I have to wonder if they did that so Michael's appearance wouldn't look so out of place.
I feel very sorry for Michael Jackson.  I don't think he was comfortable in his own skin.  He had to have known he was beginning to look freakish-I don't think he was dumb by any stretch.  Between the overly feminine appearance, high-pitched voice, inability to maintain a marital relationship, isolation of his children, and the child molestation accusations, I get the feeling there was something just under the surface there.  I'm wondering if he was taking hormonal shots, as his appearance became radically feminine.  Why would Michael Jackson, exacting songwriter/singer/performer, want to be the full-time sole parent of two children and choose to add a third?  Aside from building a legacy/promoting an image/rehabilitating his reputation/creating a "kingdom", it's illogical...particularly adding Blanket.  I hope and pray that he was privately as innocently affectionate and caring for those children, as we are hearing.  I pray he loved those children for their sake.  How sad.

One more quick thought...I wonder if perhaps Michael was keeping the children insulated, rather than isolated.  By insulated, I mean, maybe Michael was operating on the premise that if the children were exposed to other "normal" families, the children would become increasingly aware how different/abnormal their father was, their family was, their habits (like the veils and masks), their lives were.  I am concerned that these children have grown up with a distorted view of reality.  Aside from performing, Michael Jackson often appeared to be timid and somewhat paranoid.  It's difficult, at best, to imagine him as otherwise with his children.  I'm inclined to believe that the children served to encourage and emotionally support their dad.  IMO, Michael Jackson was emotionally damaged and traumatized by his childhood experiences.  I really wish he would have gotten a lot of good, professional counselling early on.  Perhaps this tragedy could have been avoided.

Jackson Drug Aliases
Posted Jul 2nd 2009 12:30AM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson used a slew of aliases to score prescription meds, and we know the two names that could unlock the key to gross abuse by Jackson and some prominent doctors.

We've learned Jackson frequently used the names Omar Arnold and Jack London to get powerful drugs, including Demerol. Jackson also used the name of one of his bodyguards, as well as the name of the office manager for one of his doctors.

The DEA, which is joining to assist the LAPD in its investigation of several doctors who prescribed drugs to Jackson, will be hunting down these names and others.

Sources tell us the prescription abuse was so egregious, one doctor would call the pharmacy and say Jackson was coming down to get Demerol. The pharmacy would then fill the prescription, leaving the patient's name blank.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/dea-will-assist-in-jackson-case/

In 1987 he looked the best and should of stopped there......... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel::

Thanks, for all the links, and some of those family pics of Michael with his kids, are uncomfortable at best, that birthday pic, they are all wearing blush  ::MonkeyEek:: Now this memorial might be at the Staples Center, good luck on that with all the insanity, and trying to find parking, it will be chaos. Hope this doesn't happen.

Hey Monkeys! :)
Just wanted to mention I heard it mentioned by Gupta that dipravan induces COMA...anesthetic is a drug-induced COMA. SO...maybe...whoever was the LA Times source might know more than we thought...

I was at TMZ during the Anna saga, too and the old courttv blog...for months, seems we were on the same "Team" ;) The similarities to Anna are what drew me here to check this out. These People are not true "Doctors", they are pushers and sociopaths, paving the way for destruction of souls with their little blackbag and script pad. They make me ill...

And TMZ made me ill with their defense of Stern et al. I hate going there.

One last thing...I don't put much weight behind the still photos of MJ at rehearsal as being indicative of his level of well-being before death. One thing  I learned from the Anna case was still photos mean crap. Anna looked fine in many still photos, but the video showed the truth.

I always thought that MJ had taken hormone shots. There was an interview from 1996 where I first had that suspicion. He was morphing into a feminine version of himeslf and it wasn't all due to the extreme and horrible plastic surgery he had. What plastic surgeon would do that to someone ?
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As for his will, everything went into a trust. The will becomes public, the trust does not. Very smart move on the part of the lawyers who wrote his will. They talk of MJ's business acumen in purchasing the Sony music catalog. When that was done, he had the A-team of lawyers and managers working for him. They were the smart ones, MJ .. did he strike anyone as smart ?
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I am getting tired of all the coverage. CNN needs to turn the page. 

I totally agree with you. I also was all caught up with Anna, and promised no more, here I am again  ::MonkeyEek::

I never thought of that, but hormone shots would explain somethings  ::MonkeyEek::

CNN is reporting that Tuesday, July 7 @ 10 am there will be a service at the Staples Centre. TMZ is not reporting it. I caught CNN last night briefly and some rep from TMZ was on and he said that the Jackson Family representatives kept changing their minds. Whatever it is, it will make money. The place holds 20,000 persons and how are they going to decide who gets in ?   

Indeed......at one point (97ish) he wanted to be La Toya :roll:

can't copy this for whatever reason.....says NO public Viewing (PHEW!!!)
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/arts_entertainment/speculation%20grows%20over%20michael%20jacksons%20funeral/3244982

I am waning in my attention to this. It all seems so predictable and FAKE.
A long time ago, I had the cable service disconnected for a while ( I lasted one month ). I read and went out more. I have the TV glued on CNN most of the time when I am here. I am trying and have been trying very hard to limit my time on the internet at home here and I think that I am going to
do something like  that again. Not for SM, never, but I waste alot of my time and cram my brain up with useless info about useless things. MJ and his lawyers, handlers and what they all have to say is fairly useless information and entirely a figment of a marketing campaign driven to protect his " legacy" and make money in the future from him in his death.     

Thanks, they better hurry up and come to some decision.

I've had to do that with cable news, 45 minutes early morning and that's it, to maddening.

Debbie Rowe to Fight for Custody
Posted Jul 2nd 2009 2:10PM by TMZ Staff

Debbie Rowe will fight for custody of Paris and Michael Jr. -- the children born during her marriage to Michael Jackson -- this, according to NBC 4 in Los Angeles.

According to the NBC 4 website, Rowe said during a 90-minute phone conversation, "I want my children."

Rowe says she will seek a restraining order to keep Joe Jackson away from the children.

Rowe also says she'll submit to a DNA test to prove she's the biological mother.

Now, let the games begin.

We knew this would be just a matter of time....I do think the favor in looks..but she sold the children out, so I think that should stick....Michael did not dot the i's and cross the t's when it came to the children.

Also I think MJ took hormones to keep his voice high pitched. ::MonkeyNoNo::Even if he was a kid at heart his voice would change as he got older, but MJ voice only got higher pitched.

http://www.tmz.com/

Debbie Rowe to Fight for Custody
Posted Jul 2nd 2009 2:10PM by TMZ Staff
Debbie Rowe will fight for custody of Paris and Michael Jr., the children born during her marriage to Michael Jackson -- this, according to NBC 4 in Los Angeles.

According to the NBC 4 website, Rowe said during a 90-minute phone conversation, "I want my children."

Rowe says she will seek a restraining order to keep Joe Jackson away from the children.

Rowe also says she'll submit to a DNA test to prove she's the biological mother.

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=b7911d45-f951-452a-8499-2aefc9c43442                   I'm not sure what to think about this.

I wonder if he was really singing?

This should be interesting.

I really couldn't tell.

Lip syncing has come a long way since Milli Vanilli. I don't think any of them sing any more in these big concerts. 

Michael Jackson's $25,000 Custom Casket
Posted Jul 2nd 2009 6:22PM by TMZ Staff

A $25,000, solid bronze, 14-karat gold plated, custom casket has been ordered for Michael Jackson.



The casket -- ordered last night from Batesville Casket Company -- is called a Promethean and will feature a flame blue velvet interior and a hand-polished, mirror finish.

This is the same casket used to bury James Brown... and is extremely rare.

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Top Prosecutors Hunting for Jackson Rx
Posted Jul 3rd 2009 9:16AM by TMZ Staff

California State Attorney General Jerry Brown has launched an investigation into the prescribing practices of Michael Jackson's doctors.

Brown says his office will help the LAPD track the controlled substances that made their way to Jackson. The State's Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement will be combing files. It's the same method Brown used to track prescriptions in the Anna Nicole Smith case.

As we first reported, Jackson used various aliases to score drugs, including Omar Arnold and Jack London. We've learned at least one high-end pharmacy in the area where Jackson lived did its own search and has turned up the name Omar Arnold in its database.

AEG -- MJ Concert Insurance Covered Overdose
Posted Jul 3rd 2009 9:30AM by TMZ Staff

AEG took out a hefty insurance policy in case Michael Jackson's 50 London concerts fell through -- turns out the policy covered an MJ overdose.

AEG's chief executive Randy Phillips said the $17.5 million insurance policy from Lloyd's of London didn't cover a death from natural causes.

Phillips said the policy would still fall short of the money spent on Jackson's advance, producing the show, covering some of MJ's debts and paying his staff and rent -- which cost between $25 and $30 million.

Holly crappers, they even knew he used a lot of drugs.....
Now why didn't someone help him???    ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa::

What I'm reading he refused, so what can you do?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jackson Sought Out Anesthesia
Posted Jul 3rd 2009 2:01PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson made the rounds at L.A. doctors' offices, often getting anesthesia for minor outpatient procedures -- procedures that did not require anesthesia.

Medical sources say Jackson would get cosmetic surgery, collagen injections, Botox and acne treatment for which he would often be put under or sedated, even when it was not medically necessary.

One medical source described Jackson as "an anesthesia addict."

We're also told Jackson would get controlled substances, such as Demerol, during and after these minor procedures.

The question now -- which docs were happy to oblige the singer?

As we first reported, police found the anesthesia Propofol in Jackson's house after he died, and it's looking like that's the drug that killed him.
(I've never heard of an anesthesia addict before  ::MonkeyEek::)

EXCLUSIVE: Jackson Got Drugs From Out Of U.S.

Some of the narcotics that Los Angeles police found in Michael Jackson's house were obtained by the singer outside of the United States, RadarOnline.com has learned.
"The investigation is going to go international," a source close to the situation told RadarOnline.com exclusively. The DEA and the Attorney General are now involved in the case.
But it is going to be very difficult to track down the drugs Jackson obtained outside of the U.S., the source told RadarOnline.com. "The investigation is growing."
U.S. law enforcement will ask for help from foreign law enforcement, the source told RadarOnline.com. As RadarOnline.com previously reported police found a large quantity of drugs inside Jackson's house, including the powerful sedative Diprivan.
Story developing....
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-jackson-got-drugs-out-us

I don't doubt it at all, my question is did this man do anything not all drugged up? This is sickening. What bothers me is all the crap his kids must have seen, and that is my concern.

Yep...you've expressed what I've been thinking...

It has been stated that it is him singing. I can't find the source at the moment, but even with a 'source', who knows....
anyway..here is Nancy Transcript from last night
DEA Joins Jackson Death Investigation
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/02/ng.01.html

Thanks

Nutt,NoRose,I found this article.They say he was singing.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/life/entertainment/news-article.aspx?storyid=140811&provider=rss

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When Jackson kicked off what turned out to be his final rehearsal, he donned a headset microphone, strolled to an elevated platform and launched into his 1991 hit Dangerous- first a cappella, then with the band.

"He wasn't singing full-out, but he was singing," Alonzo says. "They ran the number a couple of times and started to bring more props onstage that he looked at for the Thriller number. Every song he was doing was not just singing, but surrounded by huge production - gigantic spiders and 20-foot puppets. I feel I was so blessed to see the only performance of this concert."

Jackson appeared underweight but not sick, he says.

When they hugged, "he felt very thin," Alonzo says. "Even the first time I met him, 20 years ago at Neverland (Jackson's ranch in Santa Barbara County, Calif.), he was thin. So it didn't strike me as odd, other than he seemed fragile. But his energy and the way he moved and spoke had a lot of impact. His soul didn't seem fragile at all. This is just a thin guy."
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"The show wasn't all there yet, but it looked extremely creative," Ehrlich says. "You could see how much thought had gone into it. There were impactful moments."

The 10 or 11 songs performed during the rehearsal unfolded in a casual setting, but Jackson occasionally unleashed the full force of his stage persona.

"I've seen him in rehearsal mode several times over the years," Ehrlich says. "Michael is extremely methodical. He's not going to give it all until he knows he's got it all.

"But sometimes, he'd jump into it, and it was really exciting. As he got more comfortable with the props and where the dancers were, he got more animated. This was a guy who did it all, and here he was doing it again."

Thanks Trimm, I don't believe for a second that he could have put on as many shows as what was being planned for him.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't think he could have done all of these shows. I read that they were cutting his stage time down, the other areas and performers were going to carry some of the production. Regardless, he hasn't been up to par for a long time.

I totally agree. Even a younger man in better health would have a problem with such an exhaustive performance.

Who's Paying for Jackson Memorial? You
KTLA News KTLA News
9:04 PM PDT, July 3, 2009

 
Staples Center during the Lakers' championship celebration. (July 3, 2009)
LOS ANGELES -- Los Angeles city Councilwoman Jan Perry today reached out to potential donors to help the city defray at least some of the costs to cover sanitation other services for the massive Michael Jackson memorial downtown Tuesday.

It's not yet known how much the event will cost the city, but the recent Lakers' championship victory celebration downtown incurred $2 million worth of city services -- mostly for police, traffic control and sanitation -- a figure covered by wealthy donors.

Some news outlets have speculated that crowds surrounding the barricades outside the Staples Center memorial could dwarf the tens of thousands who came to celebrate the Lakers win.

Perry says the cash-strapped city will dip into a special fund that sets aside money for unforeseen events, but she welcomed donors to step forward. She says the Jackson family has not come forward.   (And just a guess but the Jackson family is not going to come forward and pay for this craziness)

Happy 4th of July to everyone here.
I was in the USA yesterday, just a day trip and people were gearing up for the celebration.

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.tmz.com/

Jackson Docs Can Run But Can't Hide
Posted Jul 4th 2009 12:23PM by TMZ Staff
As law enforcement officials comb through medical records to determine who supplied and administered the anesthesia Propofol and other drugs to Michael Jackson, we've learned there may be a fail-safe way of getting at the truth.

It's no secret -- especially in a celebrity town like L.A. -- some doctors use pseudonyms for celebrity patients and sometimes their medical charts somehow get "lost." But we've learned most doctors leave an indelible footprint when it comes to treating patients.

Many doctors -- especially ones with big practices -- use medical software systems from MD Systems, NexTech and other companies. These companies provide the software that makes it easy to input billing data.

Doctors typically input the patient's name, billing amount, type of treatment, type of drugs prescribed and administered, and date of service. Here's the thing -- that data cannot be deleted from the server.

The system allows doctors to add other data like medical charts, and those things can be deleted. But if someone deletes that info, the software shows the name of the user who did it and the date it was done.

Bottom line -- the basic billing information will not go away.

As we reported days ago, law enforcement found Propofol inside Jackson's house. Propofol is an anesthesia, which should never be administered outside a hospital, and it's looking like that drug killed Jackson. If cops find who supplied it and who administered it, the docs could well be prosecuted for manslaughter.

I read that Puzzler. I hope that when they cast that net in CA they uncover
who was involved in prescribing not just to MJ but to others and that the doctors involved have some serious measures taken. We've had doctors here who have had their prescribing practises monitored and taken away. There was one big case where the pharmacy was involved. The " patients " were actually drug dealers. So was the pharmacist. I can't remember all the complex details of this scam,but what made it worse was that the customers were on social assistance and we paid the pharmacist thru tax dollars. It was big and as complex as the Madoff scam.   

I know how getting a prescription filled here works. I have two numbers. One for health services ( doctor, hospital, any other covered service ) and a drug number. The pharmacy has to have the drud id number for me when filling a prescription. They won't fill it unless they have me on file with that number or I have the card that I show them if it is a new drugstore. All the drugstores are not connected so they can't see my drug  history. That is where the common number is used by the health agency that does the monitoring. There are some drugs ( narcotics ) that are on a schedule where the dispensation is always monitored. It can all be traced back to me thru this drug id number.
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In the USA, isn't there the same type of sytem thru the DEA number ?
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If, so, how was all this going on with no red flags going off in the DEA ?
..
If I wanted to bypass the system to obtain regulated drugs, I would have to have the  cooperation of a doctor and a pharmacist where my id number did not appear.
..
I am thinking that MJ and his circle must have found a way to bypass all of the system regulations in the US if his drug use was so rampant.   

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/04/AR2009070400502.html
US-ENTERTAINMENT Summary
July 4, 2009

Massive demand for Jackson memorial tickets
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - More than half a million fans from around the world applied for 17,500 free tickets to Michael Jackson's public memorial service next week, organizers said on Friday as a massive security operation got underway. The life and music of the self-proclaimed "king of pop," who died of sudden cardiac arrest last Thursday, will be celebrated on Tuesday at the Staples Center, a basketball arena in downtown Los Angeles.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MICHAEL_JACKSON_NEVERLAND?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Jul 3, 8:01 PM EDT

Neverland closes until after LA Jackson memorial

By JOHN ROGERS
Associated Press Writer
 LOS OLIVOS, Calif. (AP) -- Like an old Western boomtown, the makeshift village that sprang up around the gates of Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch was vanishing Friday, with visitors and vendors packing up tents, tarps, posters and CDs.

The dwindling fans were replaced by curious tourists spending the holiday weekend in nearby scenic towns.

A steady stream of weekenders drove up to the estate and took pictures or added their names to memorial poster boards. A Jackson impersonator with a white glove and shiny jacket danced for onlookers.

In deference to the pop star and his family, no events would occur at Neverland until after Tuesday's public memorial service in Los Angeles, according to a statement from Colony Capital LLC, which took control of Neverland in a venture with Jackson after he nearly lost the estate to foreclosure.

With the party over, several of those peddling T-shirts, bottled water and flowers said they would be off to Los Angeles by the end of the day.

Others were simply heading home.

"We've got to get back to work," said Jason Osborne of Santa Maria. He had designed shirts with a friend that contained an image of Jackson and the words, "I Paid My Respects at Neverland."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-07-02-jackson-news_N.htm
Fan tickets to Jackson memorial to be determined in random drawing
July 4, 2009
By Kelley L. Carter and Arienne Thompson, USA TODAY
Step 1 for a ticket to Michael Jackson's memorial service: Register at staplescenter.com.

Tim Leiweke of concert promoter AEG Live on Friday announced ticketing details for the service, to be held Tuesday at 10 a.m. PT at the Staples Center:

There will be 17,500 tickets for fans; 11,000 at Staples Center and 6,500 for the Nokia Theater for a big-screen simulcast across the street.

Registration at StaplesCenter.com will continue until 6 p.m. Saturday. Then there will be a random drawing of 8,750 names, who will receive two tickets each for one of the locations. Those selected will be notified Sunday between 11 a.m. and 8 p.m.; they'll get a code for Ticketmaster, which will provide specifics for Monday morning pickup. Wristbands will tag official ticket holders.

Leiweke urged fans to stay away from Staples Center. "There will be no distribution of Tickets at Staples Center or L.A. Live, so don't come down here." He also said there would be no funeral procession.
A free worldwide pool feed will be available for any media outlet, and officials urged fans to follow the funeral on TV and online. "You might want to consider watching from the comfort from your own home," said councilwoman Jan Perry. No details about what the service would entail were released.

Fans who had gathered around the Staples Center were satisfied with the ticket-distribution plan. Los Angeles resident Brent Trueheart, 20, who had the letters "MJ" and a silhouette of Jackson shaved into his hair, said: "I think this is great. They're letting the fans come through, and I want to go and show the family that we are here for them." Seconds after the announcement, he was already registered via his cellphone.

Sylvia Hernandez, 38, from West Covina, Calif., had booked a hotel room when the service was reportedly at Neverland Ranch, outside Santa Barbara. She's determined to try to get a ticket, and came downtown just in case. "I was going to stay at home," she said. "I had my computer set up to get online because I had a feeling that's how they were going to do things. But then I thought they might actually have people down here doing a first-come first-serve thing, so raced down here." She's pleased tickets will go by random drawing and headed home to sign up.

Service organizers stressed that tickets would not be sold and urged the public to respect the family's wishes and not attempt to profit if they were lucky enough to get a ticket. Fans also worried that people might try to make a buck. "I like this plan. I think that it's really, really dignified," said Atlanta resident Deborah Houston, 55, in town to visit relatives. "But unfortunately I think people are going to try to sell tickets to this." She's doing her part to ensure tickets land in the hands of true fans. "I got on the phone and told my nieces and nephews to get online and try to get some."

Just before ticketing details were announced, a report surfaced that a powerful drug was found in Jackson's home. A law-enforcement official told the Associated Press that the sedative Diprivan was discovered. The drug, also known as Propofol, is an intravenous anesthetic usually used in operating rooms to induce unconsciousness, something not usually found in a private home.

Meanwhile, the California Attorney General's office is joining the investigation into inappropriate prescribing of drugs by Jackson's physicians. The office will assist Los Angeles police in retrieving data from the state drug database as they look for doctor names, dates and dosages. (They also assisted in the Anna Nicole Smith case.)

On Thursday, Jackson's older brother Jermaine spoke out in an interview with the Today show, saying that he would be "hurt" if toxicology results indicated that his brother's death was drug-related.

"In this business, the pressures and things that you go through, you never know what one turns to," he said. "I don't know about these things, because I hate anything with drugs."

In other Jackson news:

AEG, which was producing Jackson's scheduled This Is It Tour, is seeking to recoup the money lost from the tour cancellation via a tribute show, movie or album. There's 100 hours of high-definition Jackson video footage, said CEO Randy Phillips, plus the company is considering producing a Michael Jackson tribute concert at London's O2 Arena, the venue in which Jackson was scheduled to perform.

The hearing to determine guardianship for Jackson's children is now scheduled for July 13, delayed due to a request of ex-wife Debbie Rowe's attorneys. Rowe is reportedly still deciding whether to seek custody of the children she had with Jackson. She is the mother of Michael Jr., 12, and Paris, 11. Jackson's youngest child, Prince Michael, 7, was born to an anonymous surrogate.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iJN6FHrmT75HzSZChIb2PDzFEDXgD997SJLG0
More than 1 million seek tix for Jackson memorial

38 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — More than 1.2 million people have now registered to get tickets for Michael Jackson's memorial service next week.

Only 11,000 tickets will be given out for the Tuesday service at Staples Center in downtown Los Angeles. Another 6,500 tickets will be given away for the Nokia Theater overflow section next door.

The only way to get tickets is to register for free at staplescenter.com. After 6 p.m. Saturday, 8,750 names will be randomly selected to receive two tickets each.

Notifications will go out on Sunday.

City officials are preparing for massive crowds. Assistant Police Chief Earl Paysinger says anywhere from a quarter-million to 700,000 people may try to reach the arena, even though a wide area around Staples Center will be sealed off to those without tickets.

City Councilwoman Jan Perry strongly urged people to stay home and watch the memorial on TV. The ceremony will not be shown on Staples' giant outdoor TV screen and there will be no funeral procession through the city.

No details were given about the actual memorial events, which come as the nation's second-largest city struggles with a $530 million budget deficit. Perry said the cost of police protection for "extraordinary" events like the memorial is built into the Police Department's budget, but she still solicited help for "incremental costs."

Last month, donations covered about $850,000 of the city's $1 million cost for the Los Angeles Lakers' NBA championship parade. Critics had blasted the idea of using city money when it is considering layoffs to close its budget gap.

I wish I could answer, but I'm not sure. I do know that I take a medicine that is a controled substance, and I do have to see the doctor once a year. He then continues to give me refills. There has to be some system, there just has to be, I can't understand either, but I did read that the investigation was going international, he must have been buying drugs from all over.  ::MonkeyEek:: I have to say that I've never heard of a person that was addicted to anesthesia before, that is a first for me.

Thank-you Muffy for those two articles. ( Last month, donations covered about $850,000 of the city's $1 million cost for the Los Angeles Lakers' NBA championship parade. Critics had blasted the idea of using city money when it is considering layoffs to close its budget gap.) There better be donations or money from the Jacksons for this venture, this state is way in the hole, and to me there is no excuse for using city money. I don't care who he was.

http://mhutch.blogspot.com/
the news of the day.
Saturday, July 04, 2009
Michael Jackson Dark Side

Michael Jackson Dark SideMuch has been written over the past few weeks about the bright side of Michael Jackson's personality and talents, but just like everyone else - there was a dark side to Michael's personality, so I thought I would write about some of those issues today. As a rule, I usually focus on the positive aspects of people I meet and write about - but when someone as famous as Michael Jackson dies, it is important to view the whole person and not just some created figure that was made by the powers that be in Hollywood.

The three most evident dark sides to Michael Jackson's personality were his strange behavior around young boys, his apparent addiction to plastic surgery and in the end his his over reliance on drugs. Over the past week, it seems like every time I write something positive about Michael Jackson's music and the impact that it had on hundreds of millions of people around the world - I always get an email or someone commenting here about Michael Jackson's alleged abuse of young boys at his Neverland Ranch. While I do not know what went on at the ranch behind closed doors, I do know that something was not right because grown men are not suppose to act like that around young children.

Then we have Michael Jackson's apparent addiction to plastic surgery. Over the years, when reporters that interviewed Jackson asked about his excessive plastic surgery - he would often times answer their question by say that he had not gone under the knife to change his appearance. To me - when someone has an addiction, even to plastic surgery, they tend to lie about it to people around them and also to reporters that ask them questions. Both friends and enemies of Michale Jackson knew that he had plastic surgery on many different occasions and the fact that he felt like he had to lie about it proves to me that Jackson was addicted to having plastic surgery.

Of course, then we learned last week about the various types of prescription drugs which were found in Michael Jackson's home after his death. According to some police sources, there were many kinds of drugs found in Michael Jackson's rented home in Los Angeles. Some were prescribed to Jackson directly while others were obtained by Jackson through other doctors and some police sources believe that Jackson used other names in order to get more drugs to feed his ever growing habit. The people that Michael Jackson hired to take care of him seemed to be more concerned with failing to get the drugs Michael needed to feed his habit than to insisting that he get help to better control the types and amounts of drugs he was taking each day.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121467
Michael Jackson – Uri Geller (Spoon Bender) Speaks Out
Posted on July 4th, 2009
by Simon Barrett in Celebrity News, Music News
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I sometimes wonder what is happening in the news world. I have to admit that I feel the coverage of Michael Jackson’s death has me speechless. He had not had a hit for years, his trail of unpaid bills is legendary, and his brushes with the law makes one give serious thought to the word pedophile, yet he still garners a huge following.

He did command a large and loyal group of fans though. I guess the fans were relatively safe, as they were mostly female.

Michael Jackson was famous for his eccentricities, a collection of exotic animals, his own private theme park, and an assemblage of ‘hangers on’ that were at his beck and call, including (so we are told), a doctor. In fact a mobile clinic!

It turns out that one of his friends is no less than spoon bender Uri Geller! Uri awed the world many years ago with his ‘mind over matter’ trick of bending flatware with his thoughts. It was a delightful sleight of hand, and as a showman he should be applauded. Of course Geller has maintained that it is all real.

How fitting that HLN should feature Geller in one of their (way too many) programs talking about the death of Michael Jackson. Both Jackson and Geller deal in ’snake oil’, one only has to look at the court records to see the financial ’snake oil’ that Jackson worked with. No shows for concerts, breaking recording contracts, outstaying his welcome in the middle east, payoffs to families accusing him of inappropriate actions towards young boys. Nasty stuff, not things that I would want on my resume.

Geller on the other hand is just your regular con man. He has been debunked more times than Michael Jackson has had plastic surgery. I was looking at Gellers web site and found this gem.

    A book-and kit, which includes a cassette, quartz crystal, and an orange circle meditation card, is designed to help readers gain self-confidence, lose weight, and solve other problems through visualisation, psychokinesis, and other mind/body concerns. A most wonderful and helpful guide. A must for every person. The kit includes an insightful 144-page book; an audiotape containing techniques for both tapping into your inner resources and exercises directed at specific problems such as beating stress and slowing down the aging process; an orange meditation circle used to generate mental power; and a quartz crystal that serves as a tool for psychic healing and the mind. Through the Mindpower kit, Uri Geller encourages the reader to take control of their physical and emotional.

Oh and you can order this for the low, low price of 30 pounds UK, about $50 US. What bothers me about this advert is the fact that the last sentence does not make sense.

    Through the Mindpower kit, Uri Geller encourages the reader to take control of their physical and emotional.

Physical and emotional what? If you are going to rip off the public, at least have someone to edit the content.

It is also rumored, although I did not have the patience to wade through his web site that there is an interactive guide to spoon bending!

Uri Geller has the credibility of a three day old donut. I am surprised that HLN would give him a podium. But there again, other than his fans Michael Jackson did not seem to have many friends, at least not of legal age.

Simon Barrett

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/390944/The-astonishing-Michael-Jackson-family-pictures-that-could-blow-custody-battle-apart.html

Jacko: The Family Album

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/392287/5-dodgy-doctors-named-to-cops-Michael-Jackson.html

5 dodgy doctors named to cops
05/07/2009

US drug cops have been tipped off about FIVE doctors who it is believed supplied Michael Jackson with vast quantities of drugs.
The Drug Enforcement Administration phones have been "red hot" since they joined the investigation into the star's death.

One name that has cropped up is a Beverley Hills doctor dubbed "Mr Chill". The middle-aged medic has been linked to half a dozen A list celebrities who rely on him to write prescriptions for any kind of drug.

The DEA will also talk to Anna Nicole Smith's doctor, Sandeep Kapoor. The Playboy model died of a suspected overdose aged 39.

A DEA source said: "There are a small number of unscrupulous doctors in Hollywood who do this kind of thing. We know who they are."

The dodgy docs were panned by another doctor who deals with the fallout of drugs, running the Wonderland rehab clinic.

Dr Howard Samuels, 57, was contacted by the worried Jackson family who were trying to get Michael, 50, into rehab prior to his death.

He said: "Those doctors are just vultures - praying on addicts."

Last night Jackson's personal doctor, Conrad Murray, revealed how the singer had a pulse when he found him. Murray, who is not a suspect, is helping cops with the investigation.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/392035/Family-fury-at-father-Joe-Jackson-Michael-Jackson.html

Family fury at father Joe Jackson

05/07/2009
DAD Joe Jackson has sparked a series of family rows by attempting to take control of Michael's funeral arrangements - and pushing for a THIRD autopsy on the star.
While the grief-stricken family have put on a united front for the TV cameras, behind the scenes tension at the family's £1m home in Encino, California, reached boiling point.
Furious Joe, 80, blew up after Michael's lawyers revealed he had been ditched from the singer's will. He tried to take over the funeral arrangements and, convinced Michael had been poisoned, wanted yet another autopsy.
A source close to the family said: "Jermaine, La Toya and his wife Katherine all told him he had no control over the clan any more."
But La Toya and sister Janet have also have paid £100,000 so Joe - who Michael claimed beat him as a child - can be guarded around the clock after receiving DEATH THREATS.
The source added: "There are some very, very crazy Michael fans out there who blame him for what happened."

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/391570/Michael-Jackson-locked-boys-in-his-bedroom-and-fed-wine-from-babies-bottles.html

Michael Jackson locked boys in his bedroom and fed wine from babies' bottles
Former housekeeper reveals how star plyed them with booze before sexually abusing them
By Douglas White, 04/07/2009
MICHAEL Jackson's former housekeeper today reveals how the star would lock boys in his bedroom for days, plying them with booze before sexually abusing them.
Adrian McManus also told the News of the World he even issued veiled DEATH THREATS to his staff to STOP them telling cops about it.
"Every night I went home feeling sick to my stomach," said Adrian, 47, one of the Neverland Five who sued him for wrongful dismissal. "He was a lonely, deranged, sick human tragedy.
"And he wasn't playing at being a boy again, this man was molesting boys."
Trusted Adrian, who worked for the star for four years, had the only keys to his downstairs private quarters which included his main bedroom with the children's rooms in a loft above him.
"He was at his happiest when he had little boys with him," she said. "He would lock himself in his bedroom for days at a time with them. He acted inappropriately with at least ten boys."
Teetotaller Jacko also kept wine in his room to spike soft drinks - which he gave his young guests in babies' bottles. "He would buy dozens of these baby bottles for the older kids," said Adrian. "It was obvious he was drinking and slipping wine into their drinks.
"Michael filmed the boys with cameras and videos, and packed photo boards with their naked bodies."
She tells how she saw Jackson abuse Jordy Chandler in his room. "I saw Michael kiss and touch Jordan. They both bounded into the bedroom, soaking wet, after playing under the waterfall at the side of the house.
"Then Michael just lent forward slowly and kissed Jordan on the lips. Michael then moved his hand down. I froze and realised that my boss was a paedophile." But Adrian and other staff felt they would be in danger if they spoke out about what they saw. "On one of my first days Michael said very calmly, 'You know Adrian if you do or say something I don't like, I will have someone take care of you - but it wouldn't come from me.'
"I took that as a death threat." Adrian says she witnessed Jackson's physical decline as years of plastic surgery took their toll.
Even in 1993 the star, enjoying a comeback with the Dangerous tour, was already a wreck.
Adrian said: "He weighed no more than nine stone and he'd lost so much of his hair he had weaves put in every couple of months.
"His nose was always a problem. Now and again he wore plasters around the side to cover or support it. It was severely caved in.
"In his closet he had a jar of fake noses and stage glue, which he told me he used for disguises - but some were similar to his real nose, just without the hole."
Adrian also revealed the star dabbled in the occult. "In his room he had a Ouija board and voodoo dolls which he and the kids played with," she said.
"He loved collecting books on oddities, like midgets, the elephant man and aliens. He also had a wide selection of books on mind control and manipulation."
Adrian even claimed the star wed Lisa Marie Presley for her dad's lucrative back catalogue. She said: "Michael wrote a note on his bedroom pin board 'Got to acquire the song list for Elvis'. Within days Lisa Marie turned up at the house."
But she said her most vivid memories are of the abuse. "Michael Jackson is no hero, but a depraved monster who went through some very dark times. Now he's dead, the world should know the truth."

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/381146/Michael-Jackson-Boyhood-and-the-father-he-feared-Joe-Jackson.html


Boyhood and the father he feared

28/06/2009
THE little boy scurries under the kitchen table in terror.
Inches away his father's belt whistles past . . . Joe Jackson's eyes are bulging with rage.
He is shouting wildly for his second youngest son to stand still. There is no hiding for long as blow after blow rains down.
Eight-year-old Michael Jackson takes the pain.
"I got it more than all my brothers combined," Jackson later recalled. "I would fight back and my father would kill me, just tear me up."
Such brutal scenes were common at the two-bedroom house in Gary, Indiana, that Joe, wife Katherine and their nine children called home.
The boys of the house - Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy and Michael - were often tripped or pushed into walls as the bullying continued.
It set the tone for a turbulent father-son relationship that not only moulded Michael Jackson into the King of Pop, but also sewed the seeds of his personal destruction - ending with his untimely death on Thursday at just 50.
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Things couldn't have been more different years earlier, as Katherine gazed into her baby boy's big brown eyes for the first time on a warm night in August 1958.
As with every one of her kids, she lavished him with love. But if Katherine doted, Joe's capacity for nastiness was its equal.
One night while Michael slept, Joe decided to teach the children a lesson because they kept leaving the bedroom window open.
 I'd stare at kids playing. I couldn't imagine freedom
He climbed in, wearing a frightening mask, and started screaming and shouting.
It was an episode that left Michael with nightmares about being kidnapped from his bedroom.
And, scarred by his brutal childhood, he later spoke candidly about his strict upbringing - even blaming Joe for passing on the skin-whitening disease vitiligo, one of the catalysts for his obsession with his looks.
Jackson confessed in a tearful 1993 TV interview: "My mother is wonderful but I don't understand Joseph.
"My father beat me. I don't know whether he wanted a golden child. He was very strict, very hard and stern. Just a look would terrify me.
"I was scared of him as a kid and when I was older.
"There were times when he would come to see me and I would feel sick. And I would say: 'Please don't get mad Joseph. I am sorry Joseph.'"
But then there was nothing conventional about the upbringing of the most famous man on the planet.
Joe planned his musical creation meticulously, and from early childhood, Michael got used to hard work.
"I remember singing at the top of my voice and dancing with real joy and working too hard for a child," he once said.
"There were times when I'd come home from school and only have time to put my books down and get ready for the studio."
It was an ethic learned from his parents - Joe earned the weekly crust driving a crane at a steel mill while Katherine worked in a department store. Both were music lovers, passing on their passion to their son.
Michael's talent for singing undoubtedly came from Katherine. His first memories were hearing the soft strains of her rendition of You Are My Sunshine.
She also brought him up into the Jehovah's Witness religion, which gave him the faith that his talent and path were the work of God.
It was a message underlined in 1970 when Michael ran into Sunday night TV legend Ed Sullivan. "Never forget where your talent came from," said the host. "It's a gift from God."
It wasn't long before Michael's unrivalled qualities on stage started to shine as he joined brothers Jackie, Tito, Jermaine and Marlon in The Jackson 5 - with manager dad Joe as the driving force.
Joe's time playing R&B guitar with local band The Falcons had given him the know-how to make the family band a success.
For Michael, performing was second nature. But honing his skills was the result of Joe's fearsome tutoring. The hours he forced his children to put in were punishing, and that hunger for success had a devastating toll on Michael's early years.
The singer sighed: "There was a park across the road from the Motown studio, and I can remember staring at those kids playing games.
"I couldn't imagine such freedom, such a carefree life - and I'd wish that I had that kind of freedom."
Having a father as manager and professional mentor deprived Michael of the paternal love he craved. In his 1988 book Moonwalk, he said: "One of the things I regret most is never being able to have a real closeness with him.
"He built a shell around himself over the years and, once he stopped talking about our family business, he found it hard to relate to us.
"I still don't know him, and that's sad for a son who hungers to understand his own father. He's a mystery man to me."
Joe's brutality came to the fore most when the brothers lined up to rehearse every day after school. But the sessions were fraught with tension as quick-tempered Joe was quick to lash out - with Michael bearing the brunt.
Punishments were meted out for missing an intro, dropping a beat, or screwing up a dance step.
Michael once said: "My father was real strict. If you messed up, you got hit, sometimes with a belt, sometimes with a switch (cane).
"Dad would make me so mad and hurt that I'd try to get back at him and get beaten all the more.
"I'd take my shoe and throw it at him, or I'd just fight back, swinging my fists. That's why I got it more than all my brothers combined.
"I would fight back and my father would tear me up. I do remember running under tables to get away from him, and making him angrier.
"We had a turbulent relationship."
That intensity, however, translated into huge success for the fledgling The Jackson 5.
At talent shows, their professionalism put them head-and-shoulders above the rest and soon they were regulars on the club circuit. It was then - aged nine - that Michael first encountered women as they got gigs in strip clubs.
He said: "I used to stand in the wings of one place in Chicago and watch a lady whose name was Mary Rose.
"She'd take off her clothes and panties and throw them to the audience.
"My brothers and I would be watching this and my father wouldn't mind. We were exposed to a lot doing that kind of circuit."
In another club a small hole had been cut though the dressing room wall into the women's toilets. Michael said: "You could peek through this hole, and I saw stuff that I've never forgotten."
As the group's fame grew, the spotlight increasingly fell on young Michael - and his amazing talent for singing and dancing which would one day make him the world's greatest performer.
Jacko blossomed. He also had the opportunity to study music world icons of his time close up - and he lapped up this opportunity to hone his stage craft. Few youngsters dreaming of a life performing could lay claim to watching masters such as James Brown from the wings.
Michael recalled: "Some musicians may feel they got their education from the streets.
"I'm a performer at heart. I got mine from the stage."
By 1969 The Jackson 5 were enjoying radio airtime and even had an offer of a first TV slot on The David Frost Show in New York.
But before they could make the trip to the Big Apple, Motown Records came knocking.
Such was the talent and graft the brothers had put in, the audition was a resounding success - and as soon as the band signed it was clear that the massive Motown machine had a phenomenon on its hands.
I Want You Back was released in October 1969 and sold two million copies in six weeks, sending The Jackson 5 straight to Number One.
The legend was beginning and they went on to record four studio albums with Motown.
But as Michael quickly learnt, fame had its drawbacks.
"It hurts to be mobbed," he admitted, belying a lifelong discomfort with his megastar status.
"You feel as if you're going to suffocate or be dismembered. There are a thousand hands grabbing at you.
"One girl is twisting your wrist this way while another is pulling your watch off.
"They grab your hair and pull it hard, and you fall against things and the scrapes are horrible."
 I didn't look in the mirror as my father told me I was ugly
More heartache stretched ahead though as as he got older. Growing up in the limelight, teenage Michael became acutely self- conscious of his changing looks.
Aged 14 his appearance altered dramatically as he left his boyhood behind him and shot up in height to 5ft 10in. The cute little kid of the group became a gangly adolescent.
It wasn't a happy time for Michael. He recalled: "My skin broke out in acne. I got very shy and was embarrassed to meet people because my complexion was so bad."
In a tearful 1993 interview with Oprah Winfrey, Michael admitted: "I was so shy I would wash my face in the dark. I wouldn't look in the mirror because my father would tease me about being so ugly."
So was to start an obsession with appearance that never left the star, his broad Afro - American features and hair being a constant reminder of Joe's jibes.
But despite struggling through enormous personal challenges, nothing was slowing the Michael Jackson pop juggernaut.
In Autumn 1971 he cut his first solo record Got To Be There, followed in 1972 by Ben, and The Jackson 5 performed their first world tour the same year.
But problems with Motown weren't far away. By 1974 the band were calling for more creative control and after a dramatic showdow they left the label and signed with Epic/CBS. From then on they were known simply as The Jacksons.
Yet Michael's runaway success was soon to take on a whole new dimension as he forged a solo career which would see him cemented as a global superstar . . .

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/392304/Police-to-quiz-singerrsquos-3-kids-Michael-Jackson-death-probe.html
Police to quiz singer’s 3 kids
05/07/2009
DETECTIVES plan to interview Michael Jackson's three children as part of a death probe they reckon could take SIX MONTHS.
Prince, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Blanket face informal questioning after Jacko's funeral.
Los Angeles Police Department and Drug Enforcement Administration officers will quiz the superstar's family, staff and friends in a bid to piece together his final hours.
Yesterday the investigation went international after law enforcement authorities discovered drugs prescribed to Jackson from abroad. Sources say he had pill boxes from England and Dubai at his home.
Californian attorney general Jerry Brown ordered a THIRD review of Jacko's death - sending the state's narcotic agents to the scene.
The enquiries could mean it is six months before agents can determine the exact cause of Jackson's death at 50 on June 25.
A source at the DEA said yesterday: "Jerry Brown's team is very thorough and will go over every aspect of the drug matters."
In a new twist, it emerged that Jacko's doctor Conrad Murray - who was with the superstar when he collapsed - was quizzed again on Thursday for the third time in a week.
Afterwards, Dr Murray declared: "I am not worried at all. I'm not a suspect."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/04/bodyguard-who-dialled-911-revealed-for-the-first-time-115875-21494855/
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Bodyguard who dialled 911 is revealed for the first time
The Mirror UK from Annette Witheridge in Los Angeles 5/07/2009
 
This is the loyal bodyguard who calmly took control as a panicking doctor fought to save Michael Jackson’s life.
Alberto Alvarez – seen here beside Jackson in one of the last pictures taken of the singer in public – is the only person besides Dr Conrad Murray who knows what happened in those final chaotic moments.
The softly-spoken minder’s voice was later heard around the world on the tape of his call to the emergency services, politely asking for help.
His identity has been kept under wraps, but today the Sunday Mirror can reveal he is in the middle of a tug-of-war between the police and Jackson’s family.
Alberto has been questioned by detectives over several days. Jackson’s parents Joe and Kathleen are also trying to get him on-side to help with their own private investigation into their son’s death.
Gentle giant Alberto, who is 5ft 11in and a muscular 15st, briefly emerged from hiding to tell us that he had been ordered not to talk.
“Loyalty is everything in the security business,” said Alberto, 32. “I am going to go away for a few days to work out what to do.”
His wife Anna fought back tears as she told how her husband’s life has been turned upside down by Jacko’s death.
“He is going through a lot and needs time out to think about everything and decide what to do,” she said at the modest bungalow they share with Alberto’s father, brother and sister.
“It’s been really hard. He has to get away. We haven’t got a lawyer or anyone to help us through this.”
Alberto, who drives a sporty black Mazda car and owns a pitbull terrier, was so loyal to Jackson that he didn’t even tell neighbours that he worked for him.
“He would disappear for days at a time. I guessed he was in security because of his size,” one neighbour said.
“I often saw him out running and over the last few months he was putting on more weight, really bulking up. He’s a big, muscular guy, but gentle. I told him off when he first moved here about five years ago because he walked the pitbull without a leash. I said he couldn’t do that, there were kids around. He was very polite and apologised.”
Alberto was downstairs at Jackson’s Beverly Hills home when Dr Murray called for help. He had been trying to revive Jackson for almost 30 minutes before screaming at a chef to call an ambulance.
The live-in doctor, who had worked for Jackson for three years, told police that the phone land lines at the £70,000-a-month rented estate had been cut off for security reasons. And he claimed he didn’t want to call from his mobile because he did not know the full address.
Alberto calmly took control, telling the 911 operator that they had “a gentleman here who needs help and he’s not breathing”. Not once did he betray his employer by revealing his name.
Last night, a source who knows Alberto told the Sunday Mirror: “He is fiercely loyal and still wants to do the right thing by Michael Jackson.
“He is helping the police but he is being pulled in the opposite direction by the Jackson family. They want to keep him on salary and make him sign a confidentiality agreement, so they can make sure the information he has remains under wraps.”
On duty, Alberto was always just a step behind Jackson, protecting him from over-zealous fans and potential nutters.
He was pictured in May alongside the singer, who was holding an umbrella to protect himself from the blazing heat, and children Prince, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Blanket, wearing their usual masks to hide their faces.
The family had spent the day at the luxurious Beverly Hills Hotel, near the Carolwood Drive home where he died.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/05/michael-jackson-to-be-buried-without-his-brain-115875-21495043/
Michael Jackson to be buried without his brain
WORLD EXCLUSIVE  The Mirror UK by David Gardner in Los Angeles 5/07/2009
Organ removed as investigators seek clues to star's death
Michael Jackson will be buried this week– without his brain. As his family tries to finalise details for the King of Pop’s funeral on Tuesday they have been told it will be held back for tests.
They faced the grim choice of waiting up to three weeks for Jackson’s brain to be returned to them or go ahead and bury him without it – which they have decided to do.
 Los Angeles Coroner’s spokesman Craig Harvey confirmed that neuropathology tests will be carried out to see if it holds any clues to the exact cause of his death.
But the examination cannot begin until at least two weeks after the death when the brain has hardened sufficiently to slice it open.
Jackson died from a cardiac arrest at his Beverly Hills mansion on June 25 after a suspected overdose of painkillers.
Sources at the coroner’s office revealed that his brain was removed before his body was released to relatives the next day.
A forensic neuropathologist will test Jackson’s brain for, among other things, past drug use and whether he has suffered overdoses in the past.
The brain can also show any past abuse of alcohol or if the deceased had suffered from any one of a number of diseases. The source said that removing the brain is the “only way to carry out the tests”.
“The tissue has to be examined,” he said. “I can’t tell you how long that is going to take.”
One expert explained that the Jackson family could decide to wait and bury the brain with the rest of the body. But it is far more common for the lab to burn the remains once they’ve been examined or for them to be placed into the grave at a later date.
“It’s up to the family. They can bury him and then bury the brain later on,” said Dr Cyril Wecht, a former coroner and one of America’s foremost forensic pathologists.
But he added: “It’s rare for the body to be held back for two weeks or more.”

Wow, thanks for all the links, very interesting to say the least  ::MonkeyEek::   I'm disgusted by all this, and this absurd memorial at the Staples Center, enough already  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Puzzler.I have to say I am disgusted with this big show for MJ.
Enough already.   ::MonkeyCool::

I have a big problem, not only the cost, that's one thing. I don't like the idea of glamorizing drug addiction, and the other aspects of his life, which are extremely questionable at best.

That bodyguard that was at the house, he could sell his story for alot of money. Or, he could provide all of the info he has to the police, etc.
..
If I was him, I would figure out a way to get paid to keep quiet.
Do the right thing via the investigation, but put the squeeze on Jackson's lawyers.

Yes, I hope he helps the investigation as much as possible. To me there is no reason not to, it is quite obvious the kind of drug addict MJ was. I was stunned with Anna Nichol, and the drugs, that was nothing compared to this  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I also am happy to hear our attorney general Jerry Brown is involved, like he was with Anna's case.

If I lived in CA and had to pay taxes to prop up this tribute to MJ, I would be pizzed also. They certainly are going to take all the rehearsal hours and hours of tapes, edit them, slice and dice them and make millions.
The bodyguard will be hounded for the rest of his days, he could do the right thing for MJ with the police and DEA people and himself.

I'm furious  ::MonkeyEek:: No reason for this nonsense at all, he is no president, no Princess Diana, to me this is just a money making scheme of some kind by the Jacksons. Have your private ceremony and bury/cremate him and let's end it.

I agree. Too much information about MJ. They showed clips from the interview he did with Martin Bashir (sp. ) and I am remembering how taken aback I was at the time. I thought at the time that this person was so far out there, he didn't know how inappropriate his behaviour was.
We are getting a sales job and the Jackson Family wants all that swept under the rug. The " Legacy" and their future income depends on it.
..
I read some blog last night where it stated that the Jackson Family was informed that there was a will, they saw the will, and yet Katherine Jackson went ahead and filed papers stating that he died without a will.
And they had the filing by Branca to back it up. No other lawyer has come forward with a will dated after 2002, so the one that we've heard about must be it. She got 40 %, that should be enough for all of them to fight over with her.

You would think that would be enough to fight over, but it won't be, they are going to milk this, and get every last cent they can from Michael.

I agree.

 

LAPD -- If You Don't Have Tickets, Don't Come!
Posted Jul 5th 2009 12:27PM by TMZ Staff

The Michael Jackson memorial in downtown Los Angeles on Tuesday is expected to draw a huge crowd, but the LAPD is trying to talk people who don't have tickets out of coming.



Assistant Chief Jim McDonnell addressed the press today and reiterated time and time again that people who aren't lucky enough to win the drawing for tickets to the memorial should just stay home and watch it on TV -- or (CHEAP PLUG ALERT) watch it live here on TMZ.

The LAPD will also block off several square blocks around Staples Center (see above) but may expand the area based on the size of the crowd.

To help reduce costs, McDonnell said they would try and send as many cops home as quickly as possible -- crowd size willing -- and that cops making OT would be the first to go. So far, he said, no private entities have step forward to help alleviate the cost.                                 (LET THE CHAOS BEGIN)                                                                                                                             

Al Sharpton wants a National Day of Mourning for MJ.
What BS ! I did read at TMZ what people think of Sharpton and Jesse Jackson sticking their noses into this and making every thing in the Nation about their their agenda. 

I totally agree.  I knew it would be this way.  The Jackson family are dysfunctional and we'ver certainly not heard the end of this yet.  The cost...it's outreagous...from a taxpayer standpoint...If the Jackson's want to pay overtime for all the LAPD that is needed to have security for their time on Tuesday, that's one thing.  If the County has to pay for it then it's ridiculous at this time with all the money problems that state has. 

Over-the-top and then some!

Oh...and I totally agree that it's BAD to glamorize drugs, too.  Obviously, it's on the rise for prescription drugs and needs to be halted.  Jerry Brown, attorney general for the State of California, is on the case now.  That's somewhat comforting, as he was the one who finally made something happen in the Anna Nicole Smith case.

Death by entourage...it's gotta' be stomped on and stopped!

Ridiculous to a new level...a National Day for a man who chose to be a drug addict for many, many years, when he (of all people) had the money and the means to get himself well.  That he did this of his own choice after becoming a father...what he said he wanted the most..well he was not a good father IMO to expose, on purpose, those children to all that.  You know they saw their father drugged out most of their lives, and probably saw him asleep with a doctor in attendance many times, too.  It's unbelieveable.  Loved children...bah, he would have taken better care of himself if he had true love for his children...so that they would have a father.  Instead, his oldest son saw his father fall to the floor and all three children (ages 12, 11 & 7) have seen their father dead and the dysfunction continues.

Sorry to babble on-and-on...

I totally agree with you Puzzler. A national day of mourning, now that is a laugh.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  I don't even know what to say.So what happens to the normal everyday guy getting mugged during all of this?Does he have to fend for himself while everyone else is
at this sham of a service?
Chaos is right.

Yet the child down the street can be abused,hungry and homeless........
 ::MonkeyNoNo::  This pizzes me off.

I am appalled. And as you know, I am a fan of MJ's music from the Thriller days.
It was too over the top. I agree, how could he be a " good father " when he seemed to love drugs more ? Those kids have been raised in some sort of fantasy world that MJ created for himself. The entire Jackson clan is out of touch with reality. I sincerely hope that somehow all of this backfires in a big way. Some sort of backlash against the media who caters to these damn people alos. I have to leave for dinner. BBL 

IMO, the Jackson family is responsible for this...for putting out to the public that they want "the word" to pay homage to Michael.  They should have gone one-step further and asked that the world pay their respects in their own way in their own home towns. 

I seriously doubt that LAPD could handle a crown of one million or more if that many people really showed up. 

I'm not sure that I buy that one million people will come in from England.  COME ON!!!!  Are there enough flights to fly over a million people to LA in time?  Are there enough hotel rooms to cater to one million people from England?  Seriously....there will be lots of people from the USA in LA for the service. 

Is this the Jackson family spokesmen leaking out this kind of ridiculous information to the press? 

http://www.tmz.com/

The British Are Coming ... For Jackson
Posted Jul 5th 2009 11:08AM by TMZ Staff
There are reports as many as a million people may come to L.A. for the Michael Jackson memorial on Tuesday. We can tell you for sure -- there's a British invasion.

A rep from British Airways tells us there has been a "huge influx" of reservations in the last few days by people from England trying to make their way to the memorial. The rep says people are "flying as close to L.A. as they can and then taking connecting flights."

In addition to non-stop and direct flights to L.A., flights from Heathrow to San Francisco and from Heathrow to Denver are almost full.

The rep says they expect all flights -- direct and indirect -- to be sold out by the end of the day.

I could see a backlash from the California taxpayers for all the expense.

I agree with everything you said.I don't give a chit how many records he sold,and Sharpton and Jackson...yep,it's always about their agenda.I'm sick of these people.They don't give two chits in he!! about MJ.
The kids never had any business with MJ to start with.After he hung the baby out of that hotel window they should have been taken away forever.
Where is the outrage over that?Oh that's right,none of the fans care about that.Any amount of talent the jerk had was overshadowed by his wacked out life style as far as I'm concerned.Going back to my corner now.  ::MonkeyCool::

I, too, love MJ's music and thought he was a great performer.  I don't think anyone can deny that.

But..that I can compartmentalize into a separate box from my feelings of how he has raised his children and what a mess he's left them in!
 

Tell it like it is Kat_Gram.  ::MonkeyCool::

I can't begin to imagine what long lasting effects this will have on those children.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Me, too....I'm beginning to wonder if they wouldn't be better off on the horse farm with their bio mom...

Yeah me too.

I'm hearing child services will be speaking to the kids after the service. At first I thought it was a good idea that they were with MJ's mother, I don't anymore, it would be best to get them away from that whole family, but that is not going to happen. With all that drug use and other things, this calling him a great dad, well it makes me ill.

Thanks Muffy, from that article,     
(Bubbles initially resided at the Jackson family's Encino home, but moved to Neverland Ranch in 1988, where he slept in a crib at the corner of Jackson's bedroom. Bubbles was allowed to use Jackson's private toilet, although the chimp sometimes wore a diaper.)  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyShocked::

Congressman on Jackson: 'He Was a Pedophile'
Posted Jul 5th 2009 6:54PM by TMZ Staff

Congressman Pete King (R-NY) feels we should be honoring the men and women of the Armed Forces -- and not a "pedophile" and "child molester" like Michael Jackson.



Standing in front of the American Legion in Wantagh, King ripped into America's celebration of the life of Michael Jackson -- instead of the people who serve in the military.

It's safe to say King wasn't one of the 1.6 million people who signed up for memorial tickets.
(Thank-you Pete King  ::MonkeyCool::)

Me too.

http://www.tmz.com/

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Madonna Pays Tribute to Jackson

Posted Jul 5th 2009 9:40AM by TMZ Staff

At the same venue -- the O2 in London -- where Michael Jackson was set to perform a series of concerts, Madonna took time out of her show last night to honor the late singer


http://www.youtube.com/v/hJh1KSdg6RY&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1

Thanks texasmom

Today, they're in court (family and attorneys) over the Will.  (Oh, to be a fly on the wall).

Should be interesting  ::MonkeyEek::  My older daughter went up to see MJ star up in Hollywood, on Sat, she said it was crazy around there, so one can just imagine the insanity on Tuesday.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/michael-jackson-conrad-murray-anesthesia/

Jackson Doc Mum on Administering Anesthesia
Posted Jul 6th 2009 1:48AM by TMZ Staff
The lawyer for the doctor who was at Michael Jackson's home the day he died tells TMZ he did not give Jackson OxyContin or Demerol that day, but he wouldn't say the same about the powerful anesthesia found at the singer's home.

Dr. Conrad Murray was interviewed by LAPD detectives a week ago Saturday. Law enforcement sources tell us the information Dr. Murray gave police regarding drugs at Jackson's home was enough for cops to secure a search warrant from a judge. A search warrant can only be issued if there is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed.

Law enforcement sources say when police searched the home, they found the powerful anesthesia Propofol. The drug was specifically labeled Propofol and there was no indication it had been prescribed to anyone.

Edward Chernoff reiterated to us his client did not administer Demerol or OxyContin to Jackson the day he died. But Chernoff would not take the same stand on Propofol. Chernoff told us, "I have no statement on whether the Dr. prescribed or administered Propofol."

Chernoff added, "We're confident whatever the doctor prescribed did not kill Michael Jackson."

As we reported last week, cops obtained a search warrant the day after Jackson died. A second warrant was issued two days after Dr. Murray's interview -- that's the one that led cops to the Propofol. The second warrant may have been necessary if the first warrant only covered prescription medications.

The LAPD and the DEA are on the hunt to determine how the Propofol ended up in Jackson's home. The drug should never be administered outside a hospital.

UPDATE: A spokesman for attorney Ed Chernoff just called to say when Chernoff spoke with TMZ last night "He was not conscious. He had just woken up and he can't speak for anything that was in the home."

In fact, it was just after midnight Houston time when we spoke with him. We were on the phone with Chernoff for nearly 20 minutes. He repeated multiple times that he had no comment regarding the Propofol. Aside from the comments we quoted above, Chernoff said, "I have no comment on whether the doctor administered Propofol." He also said, "I can't deny or admit what the doctor might have prescribed." He also said "I can't say if the doctor gave him Propofol."

Chernoff went on to talk about the LAPD investigation, sounding very alert and choosing his words carefully: "When all the results come in, the truth will come out and the correct result will be obtained." He also asked questions about what we knew regarding which drug may have killed Michael Jackson.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/debbie-rowe-michael-jackson-paparazzi-video/

Debbie Rowe Almost Goes Kung Pow on Pap!
Posted Jul 6th 2009 1:45AM by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson
baby bearer Debbie Rowe was swarmed by paparazzi outside a Lancaster Chinese restaurant yesterday -- and when one dude got too close, she flipped, screaming "Are you ready to have your butt kicked? Don't f**king touch me!"

According to reports, Rowe will attend the Jackson memorial ceremony at the Staples Center tomorrow.

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=0daf0e52-ae0b-4b10-994e-9f7afd7a12c9

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-will-estate/

Jackson Showdown in Court Today
Posted Jul 6th 2009 1:20AM by TMZ Staff
Today we'll know if Katherine Jackson will fight over Michael Jackson's will -- or at least we'll know if her lawyer plans a fight.

We've learned lawyers for John Branca and John McClain -- the two men named co-executors in Michael Jackson's will -- will ask the judge to put them in charge of the estate, at least until the will is formally presented in court.

But here's the wild card -- last week, before the will was filed, Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Londell McMillan, went to court and got the judge to temporarily make Katherine the administrator of the estate. That power expires today.

The question -- will McMillan object to putting Branca and McClain in control of the estate? Jermaine Jackson has said he wants everyone to respect Michael's wishes. Sources tell us Jermaine's feelings are shared by the other siblings, but McMillan may have a different agenda. We're told many members of Michael's family are upset with McMillan and believe he's grandstanding. Lawyers for the named co-executors are bracing for a fight.

Ironically, the will names Katherine the guardian of Michael's children.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2518690/Was-your-Daddy-a-druggie-Social-services-quiz-Jackson-kids.html

Was your Daddy a druggie?

MICHAEL Jackson's three kids faced harrowing questions from social services about life with their drug-addled dad within hours of his death, The Sun can reveal.

The Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services launched the probe as they discovered the chilling extent of the singer's addiction to prescription drugs.
Last night it was predicted to have a huge impact on the custody battle between Jackson's mother Katherine and his ex-wife Debbie Rowe - the mum of his two eldest - which kicks off today.
And an insider on the case said social workers could take legal action themselves to safeguard the youngsters.
Within 24 hours of Jacko's fatal heart attack, investigators were gently quizzing Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Prince Michael II - known as Blanket - to learn if they were exposed to narcotics such as methadone.
The heroin substitute was among a stash of 20 different drugs - half of them potentially lethal painkillers and anaesthetics - at Jacko's rented LA home.
Officials also wanted to know other details of his behaviour towards the youngsters when they visited them and their gran Katherine, 79 - Jacko's mum - at her home in Encino, California.
The insider on the case told The Sun: "The investigation was initially launched because drugs are so heavily involved.
"But in this particular case there are also red flags from all the family history and from Michael's prior involvement in molestation cases."
The probe was sparked by a tip-off from a doctor at the hospital where Jacko was taken.
The insider added: "The DCFS has 27 days to investigate the case and close it.
"They will check everyone involved in the children's lives for a criminal background.
"If they are satisfied the kids have been raised in a decent environment, then no further action will be taken.
"But if they are not satisfied, that's when they take it to court."
Katherine was granted guardianship of her grandchildren after Jacko's death.
But Debbie, 50, wants custody of Prince Michael and Paris - despite controversially giving up any claims to them in return for a £5.2million payoff from Jacko.
Lawyers have told her she has an excellent chance.
LA attorney and family law expert Michael Dave said: "The DCFS investigate areas such as neglect and abuse.
"They are likely to give Katherine an evaluation, carried out by a neutral expert, to determine how suitable the potential guardian is to take custody of the children full-time."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2518485/Fans-claim-that-Michael-Jacksons-ghost-has-been-spotted-at-Neverland.html

'Jacko's ghost at Neverland'

MICHAEL Jackson fans are in a frenzy over a possible sighting of the star's GHOST at Neverland.
An eerie shadow resembling Jacko's figure appeared on a wall in the singer's former home during a live television programme last week - and walked across the corridor. It moved quickly from left to right before disappearing.
The spooky sighting came during CNN's 'Inside Neverland', which featured an interview between interviewer Larry King and Michael's brother Jermaine.
Neither the presenter nor the cameraman noticed the spectre. But after it was posted on YouTube fans picked up the shadow and rumours spread across the internet like wildfire.
During the programme - aired a week after his death - Miko Brando, Marlon's son and a long-term friend of Jackson's, takes a film crew on a tour of Neverland.
At one point their camera is pointed down a long hall-way when the shadowy figure appears at its far end.
Chat forums were flooded with messages from fans last night who insisted the shadow was Michael's ghost.
See the video at the link above...

If you check out the ghost link above, take notice of the locks on MJ's bedroom door.  There must be at least 4 locks on an "inside" door.  Wow, just wow!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/

Jackson Court Hearing
Posted Jul 6th 2009 11:42AM by TMZ Staff
We're inside the courtroom as the lawyer for the co-executors of Michael Jackson's will, John Branca and John McClain, go before a judge seeking to be named administrator of Jackson's estate.

KEEP REFRESHING FOR UPDATES

11:45 AM ET -- Katherine Jackson has filed a new opposition.

11:40 AM ET -- Attorneys representing various creditors are in the courtroom in addition to Jackson's executors. Also present -- famed attorney Howard Weitzman, who will be working on probating the will and dealing with people making claims against the estate.

http://www.tmz.com/

Jackson Court Hearing
Posted Jul 6th 2009 11:42AM by TMZ Staff
We're inside the courtroom as the lawyer for the co-executors of Michael Jackson's will, John Branca and John McClain, go before a judge seeking to be named administrator of Jackson's estate.

KEEP REFRESHING FOR UPDATES

12:19 PM ET -- Bond has been set at $1 million. That is to protect the estate in the event the administrators waste or misspend assets.

12:14 PM ET -- Branca and McClain have just been appointed the special administrators of Michael Jackson's estate. The judge feels Jackson's 2002 will should be controlling.

12:09 PM ET -- The judge just said he may appoint an independent lawyer for the kids.

12:06 PM ET -- The lawyer for the named co-executors says he has a letter from Michael Jackson stating he wanted Branca to be in control of his affairs. The letter was dated June 17, 2009, 8 days before Jackson died.

12:00 PM ET -- It appears there is some contentiousness -- the judge said if the two sides continue to squabble, he'll appoint an independent special administrator to temporarily oversee the estate.

Thanks for all the links Puzzler. All those locks how creepy, that entire ranch creeps me out.

Mariah Carey to Sing at Jackson Memorial
Posted Jul 6th 2009 1:47AM by TMZ Staff

The value of Michael Jackson memorial tickets has just gone up.

Multiple sources tell TMZ Mariah Carey will perform at tomorrow's Michael Jackson memorial at the Staples Center.

We're hearing she'll perform the Jackson 5 classic, "I'll Be There."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/#continuedcontents

Jackson Court Hearing
Posted Jul 6th 2009 11:42AM by TMZ Staff
We're inside the courtroom as the lawyer for the co-executors of Michael Jackson's will, John Branca and John McClain, go before a judge seeking to be named administrator of Jackson's estate.

1:08 PM ET -- Hearing is over.

1:02 PM ET -- The judge just said that decisions involving marshaling the assets, attorney's fees, and settling claims and actions all require court approval -- as well as any modifications to existing court agreements and decisions

1:00 PM ET -- The judge just made it clear -- Katherine is NOT a co-administrator and she is not required to be involved in every decision. But, he pointed out, her attorney
does have the ability to object.

12:54 PM ET -- The executors are also interested in operating his businesses (employees, investments, etc.) but any new business ventures would be subject to court approval.

12:49 PM ET -- The lawyer for the executors is balking about giving Katherine approval power. The judge has said he wants the executors to keep Katherine in the loop about decisions being brought before the court.

12:47 PM ET -- Katherine's lawyer is now asking the judge if she can have approval rights before executors make financial decisions with respect to the estate.

12:41 PM ET -- The lawyer for Branca and McClain is talking about the possibility of "extreme loss" to the estate -- as a result of "unlicensed activities." One of the lawyers is talking about the complicated issues involving money with AEG, the tour, merchandise, ticket refunds, pay-per-view, etc.

12:36 PM ET -- And we're back on the record ...

I'm really happy to read that the judge took a strong hand in today's hearing and that the attorneys and the court will be making the future decisions on what to do with MJ's money and how to get his bills paid.

All those locks, on an "inside" door, to a bedroom of the owner of the house....really creepy!!

First sensible thing I’ve seen yet:

http://www.tmz.com/

Rowe a No-Show at Jackson Memorial
Posted Jul 6th 2009 2:40PM by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe won't be attending Jackson's memorial service at the Staples Center tomorrow.

Her attorney sends us this statement:
"The onslaught of media attention has made it clear her attendance would be an unnecessary distraction to an event that should focus exclusively on Michael's legacy. Debbie will continue to celebrate Michael's memory privately."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090706/ap_on_en_mu/us_michael_jackson

Jackson's mother loses control of son's estate
  By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, AP Entertainment Writer Anthony Mccartney, Ap Entertainment Writer   – 20 mins ago

LOS ANGELES – A judge said Monday that Michael Jackson's longtime attorney and a family friend should take over the pop singer's estate for now, rejecting a request from Jackson's mother to be put in charge or share control.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff backed attorney John Branca and music executive John McClain, who had been designated in Jackson's 2002 will as the people he wanted to administer his estate. Attorneys for the pop singer's mother repeatedly objected to their appointment at Monday's court hearing.

"It's our desire to do everything we can to carry out Michael Jackson's wishes and to maximize the estate," said Howard Weitzman, who spoke after the hearing on behalf of Branca. Weitzman issued a statement later calling the judge's ruling "the correct decision."

The singer's mother, Katherine Jackson, had applied to oversee her son's estate, but that was before the 2002 will surfaced. Her attorney, Burt Levitch, expressed concerns about McClain and Branca's financial leadership.

Jackson died June 25, deeply in debt. But a court filing estimates that his estate will be worth more than $500 million. His assets are destined for a private trust.

A public memorial has been scheduled for Jackson in downtown Los Angeles on Tuesday. Dozens of police officers and a fire truck were parked outside Dodger Stadium on Monday, where ticket winners could start picking up their coveted passes to the Staples Center ceremony.

More than 1.6 million people registered to win the coveted free tickets, and only 8,750 names were chosen. Los Angeles officials are concerned about other fans clogging city streets.

One person who won't be at the memorial is Debbie Rowe, Jackson's ex-wife and the mother of Jackson's two oldest children. She had planned to attend, but backed out Monday.

"The onslaught of media attention has made it clear her attendance would be an unnecessary distraction to an event that should focus exclusively on Michael's legacy," Rowe attorney Marta Almli said. "Debbie will continue to celebrate Michael's memory privately."

Lucky fans celebrated when they got an e-mail saying they had scored the hottest ticket in town. "Congratulations, your application was successful," said the message sent to Deka Motanya, 27, of San Francisco.

She immediately Twittered: "OMG OMG OMG OMG i got tickets to the michael jackson memorial service!!!"

On eBay, bids were reaching as high as $3,000, though it was impossible to verify the seriousness of those offers. Others on Monday were submitting bids more in the $100-$200 range.

On Craigslist, asking prices also were in the thousands. Some unable to attend, though, simply wanted to give away their tickets — as one post read — "to only true fans."
On the legal front, Katherine Jackson's attorneys had asked that she be appointed to serve as a co-administrator with Branca and McClain. Beckloff refused to grant that request.

Branca and McClain will have to post a $1 million bond on the estate, Beckloff ruled. Their authority over the estate will expire Aug. 3, when another hearing on the estate will be held.

"Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain for the next month are at the helm of the ship," Beckloff said.

Attorneys also disclosed that another Jackson will from 1997 has been lodged with the court, but will only become a factor if the 2002 will is invalidated. Details of the older will were not disclosed.

Levitch, an attorney for Katherine Jackson, told Beckloff that Branca had previously been removed from financial positions of authority by Jackson. Branca's attorney says he was rehired by Jackson on June 17, days before Jackson's death.

Katherine Jackson did not appear at Monday's hearing. Branca did attend.

Levitch said it was unclear whether McClain would serve as an administrator because he was of ailing health. Attorneys for McClain and Branca described him as having a physical disability but having a completely sound mind. They also noted a decades-long relationship with the Jackson family.

The judge granted Branca and McClain several powers over the estate, including the rights to negotiate a settlement with concert promoter AEG Live over refunds for Jackson's canceled London shows. Beckloff stressed that Katherine Jackson should be given complete information about major transactions, but that he as the judge would grant final approval.

John E. Schreiber, an attorney for Katherine Jackson, said, "Frankly, Mrs. Jackson has concerns about handing over the keys to the kingdom."

Branca had a 5 percent interest in Sony/ATV Music Publishing in September 2005, according to Uniform Commercial Code filings in New York, but his interest was terminated in December 2007.
Branca also was a trustee in MJ Publishing Trust, which held Jackson's 50-percent stake, but is not believed to be any longer, said John Schreiber, a lawyer for Katherine Jackson.

Her lawyers had argued in court that Katherine Jackson needed to be special administrator of the estate to be able to determine if Branca and McClain had other dealings with Jackson or his partners.

Paul Gordon Hoffman, an attorney for Branca and McClain, said some of Katherine Jackson's concerns were unfounded.

"We're not aware of any real conflicts at all," he said in response to a claim that the men may have business dealings with parties such as concert promoter AEG Live.

In contrast, Hoffman said Jackson's mother had more of a potential conflict administering the estate because she is a likely beneficiary.

"If there are any conflicts by the parties, Katherine Jackson rather than Mr. McClain and Mr. Branca have them," Hoffman said.

Beckloff noted the contentious relationship brewing between Katherine Jackson and Branca, who personally delivered the will to the family's home a week ago.

"We're getting off to a bit of a rocky start here out of the gate," Beckloff said toward the end of Monday's hearing.

L. Londell McMillan, Katherine Jackson's main attorney, said after the hearing that he did not expect a protracted fight.

"We have no reason to believe this is going to turn into a nasty fight over millions and millions of dollars," McMillan said.
He said he and other attorneys will be watching Branca's and McClain's actions closely.

"We will be working to ensure that Mr. Jackson's legacy will be treated with dignity," McMillan said. "Mr. Jackson's life and legacy will be memorialized tomorrow and we will move forward."

I agree.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-video-interview-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-chef-reveals-bombshell-about-singer%E2%80%99s

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO INTERVIEW: Michael Jackson’s Chef Reveals Bombshell About Singer’s Doctor
Posted on Jul 06, 2009 @ 06:36AM   
In a blockbuster video interview with RadarOnline.com that could change the course of the police investigation into the death of Michael Jackson, his personal chef has revealed eyewitness details about medical treatment the singer was receiving shortly before his death.
Douglas B. Jones was employed as Jackson’s chef shortly before the singer died. His observations about Dr. Conrad Murray, the cardiologist who treated Jackson at the time of his death, bring new and powerful information forward.
Investigative sources have confirmed that police found Diprivan (also known as propofol), a power sedative used as an anesthetic, at Jackson’s house. Medical professionals and medical literature clearly state that Diprivan, which is not for home usage, should always be used with oxygen.
“I noticed Dr. Murray exiting the kitchen area through the side door to the driveway area carrying a couple of oxygen tanks,” Jones told RadarOnline.com correspondent Rachel Smith. “The oxygen tanks were waist high, from my height. Heavy duty tanks.”
Not only did he see Dr. Murray, who was treating Jackson, leave the house with the large oxygen tanks, but Jones also saw more tanks stored on the premises.
“There were occasions where I noticed during my term of employment in the security mobile unit that was located in the driveway that there was a few oxygen tanks there as well.”
Jones is the first person to come forward and say he saw oxygen tanks at the home. The oxygen coupled with the Diprivan discovery could be a smoking gun in what killed Jackson.
A February, 2006 article in Emergency Medical Journal states that administering oxygen with Diprivan “should be standard practice.” The medical journal article ends by saying: “Supplemental oxygen should be given to patients receiving propofol (Diprivan). Close monitoring of O2 saturation, respiration, pulse and blood pressure are essential.”
The coroner has not yet determined a cause of death for Jackson and is waiting for the results of toxicology tests. But the discovery of Diprivan in the house has raised alarm bells. And Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse and nutritionist who worked for Jackson said he begged her for propofol, the generic form of the drug, in the days before he died. She says Jackson claimed he needed it to sleep and other people close to the singer have said he suffered from a sleep disorder. Lee says she turned down his request and told him the drug could kill him.
But Jackson apparently obtained the drug, because it was found in his house by LA’s Robbery-Homicide division, the lead investigators on the case. New reports say police obtained three search warrants to determine if drugs played a part in Jackson’s death. Five doctors are reportedly under scrutiny and the DEA has joined the investigation.
It is not known if LAPD found oxygen tanks in their search of the house. Two truckloads of material were removed from the house by a family member as the house was not locked down as a crime scene, resulting in criticism of the police.
Diprivan alone could have killed Jackson. But Diprivan in conjunction with other drugs he was taking also could have been deadly.
Jones revelation that he saw oxygen tanks at the house, where cops believe Diprivan was administered to Jackson, could add a crucial component to the death investigation.
Use of Diprivan at home is unheard of and can lead to cardiac arrest, which is what Jackson suffered before dying. The drug can cause the collapse of a patient’s heart rate and blood pressure. Medical professionals say that use of the drug is usually limited to anesthesiologists. Jackson may have become familiar with the drug because of the multiple plastic surgery procedures he had.
Dr. Murray has been interviewed by police and has not been labeled a suspect. Murray and his attorneys say the doctor had his own condo in the Los Angeles area where he stayed. But Jones, the chef, told RadarOnline.com that Murray was with Jackson five days a week.
“Dr. Murray was on the property at least five nights a week,” Jones told RadarOnline.com. “My understanding was he was there all night to monitor Mister Jackson.”  Jones was interviewed by RadarOnline.com at the SLS hotel in Beverly Hills.
Jones said he had his doubts about Jackson being able to make it through a rigorous concert tour. “He looked thin or slim,” Jones said. “He was talking very slowly and he was moving very slowly. He had the surgical mask on” and he also wore “this shower cap or surgical cap,” that was bluish in color. Jones left Jackson’s employ at the end of May. He says that Jackson wanted him to accompany him on tour but they couldn’t agree on financial compensation. Jackson died June 25.
Watch the exclusive RadarOnline.com video interview with Jones to hear about Jackson’s final days.

She probably can't afford a ticket :roll:

While they are all at the party, ooops I mean funeral, Debbie will file a bunch of motions.

::MonkeyEek::  And while all the LE will be supervising this insanity, the criminals will have a field day  ::MonkeyShocked:: Why this stupidity is going forward I would have no idea, but oh well our state is doing great financially  ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530242,00.html
Michael Jackson's Doctor Not Licensed to Prescribe Controlled Drugs in California
Monday , July 06, 2009
By Jana Winter
 
According to federal drug regulations, Michael Jackson's personal physician couldn’t legally prescribe even a powerful cough medicine for the King of Pop in California, and he couldn’t go to the pharmacy to get drugs for him, either.
Federal authorities told FOXNews.com that Dr. Conrad Murray is not licensed to administer certain levels of controlled medications in the state, and that if he gave Demerol or Oxycontin to Jackson, as has been reported, it would have been illegal.
To possess the drugs in California, Murray would have had to bring them with him from Nevada or Texas, which is illegal, or administer drugs that other doctors had provided locally or that Jackson had ordered online from abroad, which is also illegal.
Murray's lawyers insist that the doctor didn’t give Demerol or OxyContin to Jackson. Murray's attorney, Ed Chernoff, released a statement Monday declaring “Dr. Murray didn’t prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson.”
Federal law requires doctors to register with the Drug Enforcement Agency in the jurisdiction in which they administer, dispense or prescribe controlled substances ranging in potency from extra-strength cough syrup to potent painkillers. Murray is licensed to practice medicine in three states, and he is required to register with the DEA in all three if he wants to be able to provide equal drug treatment to all his patients.
FULL COVERAGE: Click for complete FOX News coverage of Michael Jackson's death.
“Dr. Murray has DEA registration numbers in Nevada and Texas, but he does not have one in California,” a federal law enforcement official told FOXNews.com. “You absolutely have to have a registration number to prescribe controlled substances, and there was nothing in California.”
This means that despite being medically licensed in the state of California — and despite being hired as personal physician to Jackson, who lived in that state — Murray was and is not allowed to administer, dispense or prescribe drugs classified as Schedule II, III, IV and V controlled substances.   snip

So, Ms. No Rose going to the Staples Centre tomorrow ?
..
I will be at work, going to some chick flick movie tomorrow night, as soon as I get home will look at CNN for the Hi Lites or the Lo Lites.   
.. Hopefully after the party, we will not hear anything more for a long time. 

http://www.wesh.com/entertainment/19975883/detail.html
Los Angeles Braces For Michael Jackson's Final Act
Family Expected To Hold Private Funeral
JESSE WASHINGTON, AP National Writer

POSTED: 3:17 am EDT July 7, 2009
UPDATED: 7:31 am EDT July 7, 2009

LOS ANGELES -- The curtain is slowly rising on Michael Jackson's last show.

As in Jackson's life, Tuesday's public memorial at the downtown Staples Center includes the spectacle surrounding the show -- legal drama, screaming fans, star power, live worldwide broadcast, unsavory accusations, even a parade of elephants -- all adding up to what could be the biggest celebrity send-off of all time.

On the eve of the memorial, activity was spotted late Monday at the Forest Lawn Cemetery involving the Jackson family. The cemetery is the location where relatives were expected to hold a private funeral.

La Toya Jackson, wearing sunglasses and a wide-brimmed hat, was seen being driven away from the cemetery. KCAL-TV showed helicopter footage of a hearse backing up to the Hall of Liberty -- a circular building at the cemetery that contains a 1,200 seat auditorium -- to deliver a casket.

A few hours later, the casket was reloaded into the hearse and delivered to another nearby building, this time covered in a blue cloth.

More than 1.6 million people registered for free tickets to Jackson's downtown memorial. A total of 8,750 people were chosen to receive two tickets each.

"I got the golden ticket!" one fan screamed out of his car window in a Willy Wonka moment as he drove out of the parking lot.

The family announced that participants will include Stevie Wonder, Mariah Carey, Usher, Lionel Richie, Kobe Bryant, Jennifer Hudson, John Mayer and Martin Luther King III.

The legal maneuvering that marked Jackson's extraordinary and troubled life also continued Monday, with his mother losing a bid to control his enormous but tangled estate. And in one of the few reminders of Jackson's darkest hours, a New York congressman branded Jackson a "pervert" undeserving of so much attention.

British Airways reported a surge of bookings as soon as the memorial arrangements were announced. Virgin's trans-Atlantic flights to San Francisco, Las Vegas and Los Angeles were all packed with fans and VIPs, spokesman Paul Charles said.

About 50 theaters across the country, from Los Angeles to Topeka, Kansas, to Washington, D.C., were planning to broadcast the memorial live, for free.

In Los Angeles Superior Court, a judge appointed Jackson's longtime attorney and a family friend as administrators of his estate over the objections of his mother, Katherine. Attorney John Branca and music executive John McClain had been designated in Jackson's 2002 will as the people he wanted to oversee his empire.
Katherine Jackson's attorneys expressed concerns about McClain and Branca's financial leadership. "Frankly, Mrs. Jackson has concerns about handing over the keys to the kingdom," said one of her attorneys, John E. Schreiber.

Branca and McClain will have to post a $1 million bond on the estate, and their authority will expire Aug. 3, when another hearing will be held.

"Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain for the next month are at the helm of the ship," the judge said.

Jackson died at age 50 with hundreds of millions in debts. But a court filing estimates his estate is worth more than $500 million. His assets are destined for a trust, with his three children, his mother and charities as beneficiaries.

Debbie Rowe, Jackson's ex-wife and the mother of Jackson's two oldest children, had planned to attend the memorial but backed out Monday. "The onslaught of media attention has made it clear her attendance would be an unnecessary distraction," her attorney Marta Almli said in a statement.

In New York, Republican Rep. Peter King released a YouTube video calling Jackson, who was acquitted of child molestation charges, a "pervert" and a "low-life."

But the memories of Jackson's problems were far from the minds of fans preparing to say goodbye.

"It's the passing of a great soul," said Matt Tyson, 31, of Ojai, California. "He brought people together, helped express something that's in us all."

Downtown hotels were quickly filling. Police, trying to avoid a mob scene, warned those without tickets to stay away because they would not be able to get close to the Staples Center.

All those involved say the heart of Los Angeles will become a circus. In one way, that characterization will be literal.

Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey starts a run at Staples Center on Wednesday, a booking long planned in advance. In the pre-dawn hours before Jackson's memorial, the elephants will walk from the train station to the arena.

I just saw on the local LA news that this nonsense is costing the taxpayers between 4-6 million  ::MonkeyShocked:: Why someone didn't step in and stop this is beyond me  ::MonkeyNoNo::

SWAT Team to Escort Jackson Body
Posted Jul 7th 2009 8:00AM by TMZ Staff

We've just learned law enforcement has launched a plan to escort Michael Jackson's body from Forest Lawn to the Staples Center.

The plan calls for a "heavy motorcade" with the LAPD's SWAT team as part of the escort.

There is also a contingency plan to helicopter the body to Staples if there's an issue of safety.

We're also told approximately 100 people will attend the private memorial at Forest Lawn -- mostly family members. After the service the plan is to follow the body to Staples.                      (SWAT TEAM  ::MonkeyEek::)

L.A. Mayor Asks Jackson Fans for Money
Posted Jul 7th 2009 7:05AM by TMZ Staff

L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is asking fans of Michael Jackson to kick in and offset the $4 million it will cost the city to cover the city's costs associated with the funeral and memorial.


  ::MonkeyRoll::

That's asking a lot of the everyday people isn't it?

Looks like a great day for a crime spree.  ::MonkeyRoll::

When I heard SWAT TEAM,I was like  ::MonkeyEek::  What a mess.The taxpayers are gonna go crazy.

None of this makes sense at all. Bury him and get on with life, no need for this, but if the Jackson's feel the need, pay up, don't expect us tax payers to pay for nonsense like this.

It wouldn't bother me so much NoRose if the taxpayers weren't being faced with the burden.
I would have opted for a quiet private service.
The Jackson's should be paying for all this security.IMO

A lot of money for nothing, the schools need help, a lot of employees hours have been cut, passing out IOU's because the state is in such a hole.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Relative to the amount of money MJ's party ( this isn't a funeral or anything like that, it is a performance ) today will generate for his family 4 mil is a small amount of cash.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2524009/Michael-Jacksons-ex-wife-Debbie-Rowe-in-tears-at-Paris-speech.html

couple of pictures at site

 :2thinky:
LOS ANGELES, CA – Michael Jackson may be buried without his brain so coroners can do further testing!

Health officials issued Jackson’s death certificated yesterday, but not cause of death was identified. Rather, the cause was listed as “deferred”.

Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter verified that at least part or the whole of Jackson’s brain has been retained for investigators to continue testing. When they have finished all neuropathogy tests, they will release the tissue.

Doctors will examine Jackson’s brain to determine the cause of death, which may be linked to painkillers. The tests can also reveal previously undiagnosed diseases, evidence of alcohol abuse or whether Jackson had suffered overdoses before.

It appears that the Jackson family will have to bury his body this week without his brain, as it must “harden” for at least two weeks before doctors can finish the tests.

It is not uncommon for a brain to be held by cororners and then reunited with the corpse after it has been buried.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9761/michael-jacksons-brain/
Posted on Wednesday, July 8th, 2009
(http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_jacksons_brainjpg.jpg?w=375&h=200)

More RE: Brain @ Fox
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530760,00.html

Quick question- Do the Jackson's realize life is not a performance?  I am greatly concerned for those children.  No one pays any attention to little Blanket, not even his sister & brother for the most part.  Seriously, the fact that he was clutching a doll of his father at the memorial really worried me.  That the kids looked bored with Paris fidgeting with her purse and Michael I examining the overhead lights until Janet pushed Paris forward for her "part" sent major red flags up for me.  The sunglasses were overkill, as was the large-brimmed black hat.  Seriously, I think these people have an over-inflated view of their self-worth.  If you loved the man, then sincerely grieve him.  Don't have a public memorial and hide behind your sunglasses.  I'm sorry, but the whole thing was such a show, sooo contrived.  Talking about Michael spreading the message of the Lord- which lord would that be?  Drug abuse? Cosmetic surgery? Artificial insemination and naming the children after me, so I can out reign Elvis? Money? Fame?   Al Sharpton, you better read that Bible (as in all of it) because God is not mocked-Whatever a man sows, that will he also reap.  Michael Jackson is nowhere on record professing Jesus as his Lord and Savior, nor did anyone (family, friend, staff, etc.) ever attest that he did so in private.  The memorial was nothing more than an attempt to: whitewash Michael Jackson (no pun intended), fortify the racial divide Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson need to stay in business; and promote the Jackson family's ego (at the expense of his children).  The children appearing was merely the ace in the hole, the piece de resistance, the prize for attending.  If I were Debbie Rowe, I'd be fighting like mad for custody of those children.  To the Jackson family, they're trophies to put on display and idolize because they belong to Saint Michael.  JMAO (just my angry opinion)

ISpy, great post, you nailed it  ::MonkeyAngel::

MJ to be Buried Wearing One White Glove
Posted Jul 9th 2009 2:00AM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson will be laid to rest in pure MJ fashion -- as in he will be wearing one (and only one) of his favorite gloves.

Dorothy Gaspar -- who owns Gaspar Gloves in L.A. and designed gloves for the "This Is It" tour -- tells us La Toya Jackson wanted Michael to wear a glove inside the casket. Turns out La Toya chose a white leather glove Dorothy made for Michael 10-12 years ago -- a glove covered in Swarovski crystals.

Dorothy tells us she was informed of this yesterday by Michael's stylist -- Michael Bush -- when he picked up 20 green gloves she had made for Jackson's dancers.

Well, it's over. Except for people who knew him creeping out of their slug traps to tell all. I don't expect any homicide charges, there is no smoking gun. They might get some doctors for over prescribing but this was going on behind closed doors under the radar for many years. Anyone who was close enough and who had access to his private bedroom was part of the problem and they will all keep quiet. If they don't they would be setting themselves up for charges or a public stoning by MJ's fans. He wanted these drugs and treatments and he got them. We are regular persons here and we probably don't get it just because of that. And don't want to.
The kids will either be with the Jackson family or Debbie Rowe. No good alternative exists here. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/09/michael-jackson-s-doctor-arnie-klein-admits-star-had-an-addiction-see-video-115875-21507319/

Michael Jackson’s doctor Arnie Klein claims star had an addiction
By Beth Hardie, Mirror.co.uk 9/07/2009
Michael Jackson’s friend and dermatologist Dr Arnie Klein has admitted once giving the star a strong sedative and claimed the pop star had been addicted to drugs.
Speaking to Larry King on his CNN chat show, Klein said Jackson was once a drug addict but he came to Britain to dry out.
“Michael at one time had an addiction,” he said. “He went to England and he withdrew that addiction in a secure setting.”
He also said the Thriller star had a “huge tolerance level” when it came to drugs – typical of an addict.
King asked him if he knew whether Michael was taking Diprivan – the anaesthetic believed to have been found in his house by investigators after his death two weeks ago.
Klein said he was aware Michael used it when he was on tour in Germany to help him sleep and that an anaesthetist was administering it to him.
“I told him that he was absolutely insane,” Klein commented. “You can’t repeatedly take it, because what happens with narcotics, no matter what you do, you build a tolerance to them.”
Despite being shocked that the drug was reportedly found in Jackson’s home, Klein said he wasn’t surprised as abuse of the medication was “not unheard of”.
The doctor, who has written a book on heroin addicts, also admitted “occasionally” giving Jackson the powerful painkiller Demerol to sedate him, but said it was after he was burnt whilst filming the Pepsi advert and suffered serious hair loss after contracting Lupus.
The inflammatory disease causes the body’s immune system to attack its own tissues and organs, including the skin, heart and lungs and Klein claims 50-year-old Michael was a sufferer.

Lupus attacks can be painful and unrelenting.
My friend who has lupus was always concerned what was happining in her brain or if anything was happening. Plus some of the meds she was taking,
anti inflammatory ( cortisone / steroids combos ) have their own  drawbacks on a person's long term health. Each person's symptons and course of this disease is different. 
I just saw on LKL that they are waiting on the coroner's report. It wouldn't be a big surprise to me if "undetermined " was the answer. Same as Anna Nicole Smith.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-interview-michael-jacksons-brain-will-tell-stories-about-his-life

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Michael Jackson's Brain Will Tell Stories About His Life

Posted on Jul 09, 2009 @ 05:15PM   
Renowned pathologist Dr Michael Baden has exclusively told RadarOnline.com that tests on Michael Jackson's brain could unlock many secrets about the performer's life as well as his death.
An examination of Jackson's brain is part of the forensic examination still underway. "The brain is like a database and these tests will reveal a lot of information like if he was beaten as a child to any small tumors or previous overdoses that he may have suffered," Baden, who recently conducted an autopsy on David Carradine, said.
"The brain results will determine if he was given improper medication and how authentic statements provided by his physicians were."
As the world waits for the toxicology results that will determine the exact cause of Jackson's death Dr Baden believes that they will not be released until the brain analysis is also complete, a process that can take "around four weeks."
It is possible that Diprivan in itself caused him to die, Baden said. "It can slow down breathing and causes blood pressure to fall and a person can die as a result but all the other drugs also mentioned like Demerol, Morphine and Methadone can also be lethal if taken in large quantities.
"It is going to be very interesting to see what all these results tell us about the precise condition Michael Jackson was in."

No rose- thanks!  Every time I see those children, I get angry all over again.  I read an article tonight (my mistake) talking about how his children are his legacy.  Yes, they literally are...intentionally being named after him.  I'm sorry, but the fact is, he didn't even have the decency to give them their own names.  IMO, he was trying to recreate himself (or the self he wanted to be as a child, but wasn't allowed to be thanks to Joe Jackson).  I think he viewed those children as an extension of himself, rather than recognizing them as individuals.
Looking at his ever-changing facial features last night, the thought crossed my mind that I think he was actually trying to look like Disney's Peter Pan character.  The long shaping of the nose and creating an angular chin from a rounded one...studying the changes, my mind's eye brought up Peter Pan. That fit in with Neverland and Michael's sort of Peter Pannish behavior.  There is something about Michael's smile (in most of the pics on major networks) that makes me feel uneasy and distrustful of him.  There are major incongruencies between his face, his voice, and his overall demeanor. I wish I could put my finger on it.  When I think about how trusting children can be-all this makes me feel sick. 

One more thing...every time I come across an article stating that his children were home schooled, I want to scream.  Homeschooling is where children are taught at home by ONE OR BOTH OF THEIR PARENTS.  Michael Jackson's children were tutored-taught by a paid teacher.  Big difference!  I wish the media would get their terminology right.  I read an article tonight, floating the homeschool issue and reiterating typical homeschool fallacies (children not allowed to play with neighborhood children, isolated from others, "unsocialized", etc.).  What a crock!  I know many homeschooled children (25 families) and I can spot them instantly because they're outgoing and unintimidated by adults.  They're comfortable talking to people of all ages because that's who they've been socializing with.  As for the isolated at home part-yeah, right!  *sarcasm intended* These children are doing soccer, gymnastics, competitive swimming/ice-skating, LEGO competitions, musical & dance recitals, plays, choral groups, historical interpretations at museums & battlefields, etc.

Did I mention that I really hate biased reporting? ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.tmz.com/


Neveland Ranch - the raid photos

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/arnie-klein-calls-the-cops/

Dr. Arnie Klein Calls the Cops
Posted Jul 10th 2009 4:15PM by TMZ Staff  (7:15 PM Eastern Time Zone)
We've learned Beverly Hills Police have just responded to the office
of Dr. Arnie Klein, Michael Jackson's close friend and doctor.

We're told Klein's office asked the cops to come -- someone in the office told us they called for protection. We do not have further details.

UPDATE: Cops tells us Dr. Klein's office has been receiving "suspicious calls" today -- so they took a report and are going to investigate.

Dr Klein says he was using fillers ( injections of some sort of liquid plastic gooey stuff ) on MJ's face and in his nose.
Not much of an testimonial or advertisement for the product the good doctor was using or for his skill as a doctor if MJ's face was the result.

I also knew someone with Lupus and I'm not buying what Michael Jackson's doctor (dermatologist?) is selling.  Prednisone is commonly used to treat lupus attacks and is known for producing a side effect aptly called "Moon face".  With extended use, it causes the face to become very rounded.  My co-worker was adamant about weaning herself off of the prednisone because she hated what it did to her face (made it look "fat" to her, full to the rest of us-think baby faces).  Michael Jackson's face was never moonish (i.e. overly round and full) from the first surgery forward.  Instead it continued to become more angular with protruding cheek implants (IMO).  Furthermore, doctors do not operate on Lupus patients unless really necessary because of their compromised immune system.  In Lupus, the patient's body is already attacking it's own organ and joints as foreign invaders.  The steroids are prescribed in an effort to calm that.  Therefore, credible doctors would not impose additional stress on the immune system and further damage to the body.  A full blown Lupus attack is extremely serious.

I sure as heck don't understand the cosmetic surgery and those fillers being used on a lupus patient. The fillers themselves are perceived as foreign objects and would set your immune system up to attack. Deepak Chopra said that MJ did have the antibodies for lupus.

I had LKL on last night. Mark Geragos ( sp ) was on. he has been " approached " by one of the doctors, he wouldn't name him. MG said he probably wouldn't take it, he was conflicted. He represented MJ a few years ago.
IMO Another reason, Mark doesn't need another despicable client.
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All the doctors they interviewed said that there were no circumstances where diprivan should / could be used outside of the hospital. So, if what has been reported so far is true about diprivan being in the house and they can tie it to Dr. Murray, he is done as a doctor.

Now, if anyone had any doubt how nuts MJ was, they shouldn't anymore. The children mannequins are creepy, and I'll leave it at that  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::

Onr thing I noticed about some of those raid photos is that on the shelves there are what looks like to me people's photos who are not MJ family or kid photos. Some of these "messy" rooms might have been used by any one of his assistants.
Having said that, some of the portraits he had commissioned showing himself as royalty or Jesus at the Last supper are disturbing. These portraits were well thought out, not a momentary flash of ego. He was a pop icon, not what he seemed to perceive himself as. But then,people around him treated him like royalty. Seems as if he went thru assistants the way I go thru paper towels.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199092/La-Toya-Jackson-Michael-murdered--I-felt-start.html

La Toya Jackson: Michael was murdered... I felt it from the start
By Caroline Graham
Last updated at 10:21 PM on 11th July 2009
The grieving sister of superstar Michael Jackson last night blamed ‘a shadowy entourage’ of manipulative hangers-on for effectively ‘murdering’ the King of Pop.
In a moving and revealing interview, La Toya Jackson, who was closer to her vulnerable brother than anyone else and was asked to sign his death certificate, portrayed Michael as a lonely and isolated figure at the mercy of a money-motivated clique.
She accused them of cutting him off from his family and friends and forcing him, largely against his will, to sign up for the gruelling commitment of 50 concerts at London’s O2 arena.
She believes her brother was fed addictive drugs by handlers who wanted to control his moods. She says they regarded him as a ‘cash cow’ and exploited him at every turn. It was this, she believes, that led directly to his death.
Speaking out: La Toya Jackson says she wants to expose the truth
Last week, Los Angeles police chief William Bratton confirmed that investigators had not ruled out homicide. Under Californian law, murder also covers killings that were not premeditated, which would be classed as manslaughter under the British legal system.
Though the formal state autopsy’s results will not be known for two weeks, La Toya has had a private autopsy conducted.
She received the results on Friday and although she won’t comment on the details until the police conclude their investigations, she did reveal that four fresh needle marks were found on Michael’s neck.
Fighting back tears, La Toya, 53, said: ‘I believe Michael was murdered, I felt that from the start. Not just one person was involved, rather it was a conspiracy of people.
He was surrounded by a bad circle. Michael was a very meek, quiet, loving person. People took advantage of that. People fought to be close to him, people who weren’t always on his side.
‘Less than a month ago, I said I thought Michael was going to die before the London shows because he was surrounded by people who didn’t have his best interests at heart.
‘Michael was worth more than a billion dollars. When anyone is worth that much money, there are always greedy people around them. I said to my family a month ago,
“He’s never going to make it to London.” He was worth more dead than alive.’
La Toya revealed Michael himself ‘never believed he would live to be an old man’ and feared he would die in his fifties.
'Vultures': La Toya claims manipulative hangers-on hooked her brother on drugs and made him their 'cash cow'
She says: ‘By the end, Michael was isolated from his family. He had no real friends. He was the loneliest man in the world.  I knew something terrible was going to happen.’
While there has been much speculation in the two weeks since Jackson’s death, less than 12 hours after he completed a punishing rehearsal, La Toya says she is speaking out now to ‘put the truth out there’.
She reveals specific details of the scene inside her brother’s rented £60,000-a-month Beverly Hills mansion. He was not found in bed, as has been widely reported, but instead was inside the nearby bedroom of his personal physician Dr Conrad Murray, a man who ‘disappeared’ from the hospital when La Toya began grilling him.
She tells how an intravenous drip stand was beside the bed and oxygen canisters lined the walls.
And La Toya tells in heartbreaking detail how she accompanied Michael’s children, Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Blanket, to see their father’s body and then, last Monday night, stood with Paris over an open casket as the child gently placed an inexpensive necklace around Jackson’s wrist and tenderly garlanded his body with coloured play stones.
Heartbroken: La Toya accompanied Michael's children, Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Blanket, to see their father's body
In person, La Toya bears a disarming likeness to her more famous sibling. She speaks in the same breathy high-pitch tone. A diminutive 5ft, she, like her brother, is clearly no stranger to the plastic surgeon’s scalpel.
But La Toya makes a compelling witness. Two years ago, she took part in a TV reality show Armed And Famous, in which she was given basic training to be a police officer, and continues to volunteer as a deputy.
And although she famously fell out with the Jackson clan in the Eighties over a book in which she described Michael as a paedophile and denounced her father Joe for bullying them as children, for the past 15 years, she has helped keep the family together.
La Toya, who had a messy divorce from her controlling former manager, Jack Gordon, 12 years ago, remained childless and became close again to Michael and his growing family, regularly seeing them at her mother’s house on Hayvenhurst Avenue in Encino. 
She last saw her brother three weeks before he died. The family held a large dinner to celebrate Katherine and Joe’s 60th wedding anniversary at Michael’s favourite Indian restaurant, Chakra, in Beverly Hills.
Michael was already at the party with his children when she arrived: ‘He was standing by the door and said, “Oh La Toya, you look fabulous.” He was thin but he ate that night. Michael loves his curries. He enjoyed every minute of it. At the end, he embraced me and said, “We have to do this again.” Then he went to the door, looked back and gave me a wave goodbye. That was the last time I saw my baby brother.’
Loneliest man in the world: La Toya says her brother had no real friends and she knew something terrible was going to happen. Michael
La Toya has clearly endured an extraordinary two weeks, which began with the news of her brother’s death and ended with his poignant memorial service last week.
Now she wants to set the record straight. Frequently welling up with tears while insisting ‘I am trying to be strong’, La Toya says: ‘I was at home when I received the news that Michael had been rushed to the hospital.
‘I live about three minutes away from Michael in Beverly Hills. I was talking to a friend about the fact that Farrah Fawcett had just passed away.
Her death came just after Ed McMahon [famous in America as the sidekick of talk-show host Johnny Carson] died. I said, “There’s going to be another one because they always go in threes.”
‘About an hour-and-a-half later, my father called me from Las Vegas and said, “Get to the hospital right away. Michael’s been rushed to hospital.”’
La Toya immediately rang her mother’s personal assistant to be told her brother was being treated at UCLA Medical Centre in Westwood, a ten-minute drive from her home.
‘I jumped into my car and kept calling my mother’s assistant saying, “How is he? How is he?”’ she recalls. ‘But he wouldn’t tell me.
‘Finally, I heard Mother in the background asking, “Who is that?” When she learned it was me, she screamed, “Why don’t you just tell her?” and she grabbed the phone and just screamed as loud as she could, “He’s dead!”
‘I nearly crashed my car. My legs went weak. I couldn’t press down on the gas pedal. I got to the wrong entrance at the hospital and was begging the security guys to help me and take my car because I was so weak and faint. They took me up to the area where Michael had been taken. Mother was crying and Michael’s kids were crying.
‘I screamed, “Is it true?” and she said, “Yes, he gone.” I couldn’t stop crying. I’m screaming and the kids are screaming. My mother was sitting there with all three of them on her lap, just crying.’
She says Paris demanded to see her father ‘one last time’. After a nurse told La Toya it would help the children grasp the reality that their father was dead, she held Paris’s hand as all three children, together with Michael’s brother Randy, went into the small ante-room off the emergency room where Michael lay, still warm to the touch.
She says: ‘There was a towel over his face and I lifted it and the kids saw him and Paris said, “Oh Daddy, I love you.”
‘We hugged and kissed him and the children lifted up his hands. He didn’t look like he was gone. His eyes were half open and he looked like he was sleeping. He wasn’t cold.
‘The kids had been screaming and crying but once they were in that room and saw Michael they stopped and became calm. We said prayers over him. I asked them, “What do you want to say to Daddy?” and they said private things to him.
Paris was holding his hand. We were all sitting around the bed. His chest was very red from the attempts to revive him. I lifted the covers to see his legs. Everything looked fine.’
She said reports Michael was bald and looked terrible without make-up were ‘plainly false’. ‘He had no make-up on but he looked fine. He just looked like Michael.’
Then, in true Hollywood fashion, Paris Hilton’s mother Kathy turned up. She had gone to school with Michael and La Toya and spent time in the room with the family, saying goodbye.
After the 30-minute farewell, La Toya signed the death certificate as the  ‘informant’ who provided the information about her brother.
‘My mother and brothers chose me because I had a special bond with Michael,’ she said.
La Toya says her brother will never be buried at Neverland, his sprawling 2,400-acre former home in Central California: ‘Michael hated that place. After the second [child abuse] trial, he said to me, “I will never come back to this place again. I hate it. This place helped destroy me.”’
La Toya says the behaviour of Michael’s £100,000-a-month personal doctor, Conrad Murray, at the hospital left her deeply troubled. Dr Murray, who is not certified as a
cardiologist, did not identify himself to the family, even though La Toya says she was demanding to see Michael’s doctor ‘to find out what the hell happened’.
It was Paris who pointed out the figure dressed in white, telling La Toya: ‘There’s Dr Murray. He’s the best cardiologist in the world. How could this happen to Daddy?’
Dr Murray’s lawyers have denied any wrongdoing and say he has cooperated fully with investigators.
But La Toya says she approached the doctor, saying, ‘I want to talk to you. I want to know what happened to my brother.’ But, she says: ‘He mumbled a bunch of nothing.
He said something like, “Michael didn’t make it, I’m sorry.” It wasn’t right. It felt weird.’In all the confusion, she says, the doctor later ‘disappeared’. It is at this point, La Toya says, that her concerns were heightened. She was told by a different doctor that
Michael had fresh needle marks on his body.
According to reports, Jackson used intravenous anaesthetics to help
him sleep, including Demerol and
Diprivan, a drug never normally used outside the operating theatre.
Police also removed two bagfuls of prescription drugs issued to various aliases from pharmacies in different US states. They have subpoenaed the star’s medical records from a series of doctors. La Toya says: ‘It will all come out. You will be shocked.’
The official coroner’s report is due soon along with the results of a second autopsy, which La Toya arranged, She says: ‘We want to sit down and compare the two reports before anything is made public. I have a strong idea of what the outcome will be but
I cannot say anything at this stage.
‘He had needle marks on his neck and on his arms and more about those will emerge in the next few weeks. I cannot discuss that any further as I may jeopardise the investigation. I can, however, say that I have not changed my mind about my feeling that Michael was murdered.’
After returning from the hospital with the children and her mother to Katherine’s home, they received a troubling call from the Jackson mansion. It was Michael’s long-term assistant Michael Amin, a devout Muslim known as Brother Michael.
He told La Toya that her brother’s Lebanese-born, self-appointed business manager Dr Tohme Tohme had fired all the staff at the Beverly Hills property and at a second rented home in Las Vegas.
‘I want to know how Michael died, and then, at 11pm on the day he dies, all the staff are fired?’ she asks rhetorically. ‘That raised my suspicions.’
When she arrived at the house with her manager and close friend Jeffre Phillips, new security guards were in place.
She says: ‘I could smell and sense my brother everywhere. I could smell his favourite cologne, Black Orchid by Tom Ford. I went into his bedroom. There was a shirt discarded on the floor.’
She says Michael was taken to hospital from Dr Murray’s bedroom, across a large hall from his own.  ‘Michael walked from his room to Dr Murray’s room. What happened in there we don’t know. He ended up alone in the room with the doctor.’
Shortly after midday, the doctor ran downstairs and screamed at bodyguard Alberto Alvarez to call the emergency services.
La Toya says: ‘No one was allowed upstairs apart from Dr Murray and the children. Paris has since told me that even they were not allowed in that room when Dr Murray was giving Michael his “oxygen”.
Murray, said La Toya, initially gave the star CPR on the soft surface of the bed before moving him to the ground, on the instruction of the 911 emergency operator who told him the procedure needed to be conducted on a hard surface.
She says: ‘Why, if this man was a cardiologist, was my brother on the bed? Michael was dead in that room. I was told the doctor kept telling everyone he was alive, but
Brother Michael saw him and said it was obvious he was dead. There were oxygen tanks along the wall next to the dresser. There was a metal stand with a cord hanging down. The police had already been in the house and had removed all the drugs and whatever bag was hanging there.’
Diprivan, when administered in hospital, is always given with oxygen. La Toya admits her brother had a prescription drug problem which the family believes began after he damaged his back in an on-stage accident during the Jacksons’ 1984 Victory tour.
But she insists she believes he was ‘clean’ in preparation for the O2 shows. ‘He had just been to England on a cleanse and he was drinking juices and being pure. He had cleaned everything out of his system ready to do the concerts in London. 
But Michael never wanted to do 50 shows. He agreed to do ten and then the promoters and those around him added more and more shows because they were selling out.
‘It’s impossible even for a healthy person to do that many shows. Michael was fragile.
He always wanted to believe the best of people. But he was meek. In the last few months, he became isolated. I believe the staff were given strict instructions that if any of the family called, not to tell him. And if any of the family came by, not to let them in.
Adored: A poster of Michael Jackson is covered with messages from fans at a one-day tribute to the "King of Pop"
Those people around him didn’t care about Michael the man. They were interested in Michael the cash cow.
‘Michael didn’t keep a close eye on his finances. A lot of people made a lot of money out of Michael. The house he was renting at the end is a classic example. It would cost £15,000 a month to rent but he was charged £60,000 a month because he was Michael Jackson.’
‘As a family, we tried to get involved. We wanted to stage an intervention. But we couldn’t get near Michael. I knew something terrible was going to happen.
‘I believe he was cut off from the real world and the drugs were a way [for his hangers-on] to get in there.  They got him hooked on drugs. He was pure and clean and then drugs came back into his system. I think it shocked his system so much it killed him.’
She says the family will file a civil lawsuit against anyone they believe responsible, as well as pushing for police to serve criminal charges:
‘I am going to get down to the bottom of this. I am not going to stop until I find out who is responsible. Why did they keep the family away? It’s not about money. I want justice for Michael. I won’t rest until I find out what – and who –  killed my brother.’
Trawling through Michael’s personal possessions at his house, La Toya was shocked when she saw his work schedule: ‘They worked him so hard. There was no breathing room.
Every hour was packed with costume fittings, vocal lessons, rehearsals. Even Paris noticed. She told me, “They worked Daddy too hard. They worked him so hard.”
‘When someone is fragile you can’t keep them going like that. A lot of people are responsible for this, directly or indirectly. They told him, “The shows are booked, the tickets are sold.”
And Michael being Michael, he didn’t want to let down his fans.
‘His kids made him so happy but he didn’t have any real friends. His problem was he didn’t trust people. In the end, he died a lonely man surrounded by this shadowy entourage.’
While Michael regularly kept up to £1million in cash inside his home, La Toya says none was found. Nor was any of his vast collection of jewellery: ‘Someone went in there and did a good job. So many people were in the house before I got there.’
In the hours after Michael died, his sister Janet was so worried, she put her own security team in place inside the house. The sisters plan to move all of Michael’s possessions into storage to safeguard them for his children.
La Toya says the children are coping well. They are with Katherine and nanny Grace Rwaramba who turned up for a day ‘and has been there ever since.’ La Toya says, however, she is ‘highly suspicious’ of the nanny’s motives.
‘The family has mixed feelings about her,’ she says. ‘Mother says she wants to be with the kids but I warned her to be careful. It’s not like the children like or dislike her. They like everyone. Mother is gullible and feels sorry for her.’
She says reports that Grace was Michael’s girlfriend are false. ‘I heard Grace liked Michael but he didn’t like her. He let her go last Christmas. I have a lot of questions about Grace. She was instrumental in keeping the family away. All of a sudden she is back, listening and watching the family. I think her behaviour is odd.’
La Toya says her focus is now on the children. All three are said to be well-behaved but innocent of the wider world. They don’t watch television. They are tutored at home and are only allowed to watch Disney movies. The family have hired a grief counsellor for them.
She added: ‘Michael always said he was a single parent. But he was a very good parent. It was funny seeing him changing nappies, because you never imagine him that way. But Michael was a hands-on dad. He was quite an expert. They are happy children, despite what has happened.
‘Paris wants to be an entertainer. Prince Michael, the oldest, is assertive. I see such sadness there. He cried at the hospital but hasn’t cried since. He has become the little man of the family. Blanket is the baby. He is very funny, a real prankster like his father.’
Although the memorial was watched by millions on TV, the most poignant farewell came last Monday night at Forest Lawn Cemetery, where the family had an open coffin viewing.
She says Paris bought a cheap ‘mood’ necklace – a metal heart which changes colour when it touches the skin. ‘The heart is in two pieces. Paris told me, “I want one half to go to Daddy and I will wear the other half for ever.”
‘She carefully wrapped it around his wrist. She said; “Daddy this is for you.” Then she placed it on him and said, “On Daddy, it will be blue because he is cold. On me, it’s purple.”
‘She got some coloured stones and she decorated his body. She said, “He’s so cold, he is so cold.” His lips were slightly swollen from the autopsy. She asked, “Who did that to Daddy?” I told her it was because he had passed.
‘I put one of his sequined gloves in there. And a pair of his favourite sunglasses.’
Yet to rest in peace: Jackson's body has been been temporarily placed in a crypt at Forest Lawn belonging to Motown record founder Berry Gordy while the family decides on a final burial place
Michael Bush, Michael’s long-time costumier, made an elaborate cream jacket decorated with pearls and beads. He was dressed in black trousers with a large gold belt with two cherubs on either side of the buckle. Karen Faye, his make-up artist, applied cosmetics to his face.
La Toya says: ‘I am so proud of Paris for speaking at the memorial service. When Stevie Wonder was performing she whispered to me, “Auntie La Toya, I want to go up there and say something about Daddy.”
I couldn’t just walk her up on stage but at the end, when we were singing We Are The World, she said, “I’m too shy now” but then changed her mind and said those words about loving her Daddy that everyone saw.
‘The boys didn’t want to come to the viewing, but Paris was insistent. She wears Michael T-shirts every day and the walls of her room are covered with posters and pictures of her daddy. She still writes him letters every day, sweet lovely letters about how much she loves him.
‘Her letters are brilliant. When you read them you cry. She loves the light on stage. She is always singing Daddy’s songs and she is special. She has it – the X factor.’
La Toya says she was shocked by the emergence of a 2002 will stating Diana Ross should be a back-up to Jackson matriarch Katherine as the children’s guardian.
She says: ‘Michael always told us that he wanted his eldest sister Rebbie Jackson to look after the children. Rebbie had a nice family, which Michael loved. He told many family members that she was his choice. We believe there is another will which will emerge. He updated his wills almost every five years, so we expect one to come out from 2007. 
As the question of the children’s future remains unresolved, Debbie Rowe, the birth mother of the two eldest, is expected to begin her fight for custody of the children in the Los Angeles courts next week.
La Toya dismisses her: ‘These are not Debbie’s kids. They don’t even know she’s their mother. Like everyone else in his life, she was motivated by money. She has always said she’s not their mother.
 ‘My understanding is that she will now go after the kids. I know a few things about Debbie and I will prevent that from happening.
‘Debbie has only seen the children a handful of times. Michael never introduced her as their mother.’
She confirmed that Blanket, the youngest, was created from a donor egg and donated sperm: ‘Michael didn’t want to know who the biological parents were.
‘They took eggs from a donor and I believe the sperm came from one of five donors picked from a book. Michael didn’t know who the mother and father were. I don’t know who carried the child and if the surrogate knew whose child she was carrying.
‘Those children were his greatest joy. He was a superstar but the only people who loved him unconditionally were the children.’
She fears for her mother, Katherine now 79: ‘She’s the rock of the family, but I’m the glue that holds it all together. Everyone is hurting. I’ve hardly slept since this started. I am frightened the stress will hurt Mother.
‘Michael knew he was never going to be a grey-haired old man. He
didn’t want to grow old. He told me he thought he would die in his 50s. He said he would get married at 45 and die around 50. He had a gut feeling.’
Despite the intense pressures, La Toya is convinced Michael had much to look forward to. He was trying to buy a £40million house in Las Vegas from the Sultan of Brunei, which was to have been his base after the O2 shows ended.
He was reading books on directing movies. ‘The first one was to be a
horror film called Thriller,’ she said. ‘He had already designed the poster. He was going to retire from music. This Is It really was the end. He didn’t want to perform any more.’
Ironically, the extended Jackson family, which has been badly fractured throughout the years, now appear to be united in their grief and determination to seek the truth about Michael’s death.
As La Toya puts it: ‘I’m doing what I can to find out how he died. If he died of a drug overdose, then I want to find who supplied him the drugs and who first introduced him to them. We’ve still not had a chance to speak to Dr Murray about Michael’s final days. I need to know what he may have seen or heard.
‘Michael didn’t have to die. We are all mourning his loss, more than anyone can ever know. But we are also determined to get to the bottom of what happened to him.’