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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 => Topic started by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 03:57:31 AM



Title: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09 #1
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 03:57:31 AM
Small town baffled, alarmed at 10-year-old girl's disappearance

Story Updated: Jun 27, 2009 at 9:52 PM PDT
By Ray Lane and KOMO News Web Staff

MCCLEARY, Wash. - A wide-ranging search is under way for a 10-year-old girl who vanished Friday evening while walking home from a friend's house in this small town set amid forested hills west of Olympia. And now the entire town is worried.

Lindsey J. Baum was last seen at 9:15 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting, said Dave Pimentel of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home.


 A volunteer goes door to door, passing out fliers about the missing girl.
"She hasn't been seen or heard from since," Pimentel said.

Her mother reported her missing at 10:50 p.m. And as the hours drag by with no sign of her, the girl's family fears she may have been taken by a stranger.

Search teams have been out looking for the girl, using bloodhounds. Sheriff's deputies, meanwhile, are calling people who live in the neighborhood and also are going door to door to see if anyone heard or saw anything.

Other searchers are combing the nearby woods on ATVs. Everyone is anxious for any sign of the missing girl.

Pimentel said Lindsey has never been a runaway. "We don't suspect that at this time," he said.

The girl's disappearance has shocked many residents of McCleary, population 1,550, where the biggest employer is a lumber mill that manufactures doors and people know their neighbors.

"We don't know what happened to her yet. All we know is she's missing, and we're taking every effort we can to try and locate her," he added.

Police say it appears Lindsey walked at least part of the way with home with friends, who didn't see anything unusual.

Melissa McCann, a family friend, said, "This is a small town. These things don't happen. And yet here they are. She comes from her friend's (house) a lot, so it doesn't make sense that she didn't show up at home. We're just baffled."

Pimentel said it's strange that nobody saw anything unusual.

"Such a small community like this - you can't do much in a town this size without everybody knowing about it," he said. "Everybody in town knows she's unaccounted for."

Lindsey's mother admits the 10-year old had been fighting with her brother in the moments before she was last seen, and that Lindsey is still upset about her parent's recent divorce.

But with every passing hour, there are mounting worries that the friendly girl who will talk with anybody is in serious trouble.

Lindsey was last seen wearing a gray hooded pullover sweatshirt, with blue jeans and black shoes. She stands about 4-feet-10-inches and weighs about 85 pounds.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Grays Harbor 911 Center at (800) 281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

(http://media.komonews.com/images/090627_lindsey_baum_3.jpg)

http://www.komonews.com/news/49343017.html


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 04:02:34 AM
Police search for 10-year-old McCleary girl

05:39 PM PDT on Saturday, June 27, 2009


McCLEARY, Wash. - A search is under way in the small town of McCleary for a 10-year-old girl who didn't make it home Friday night.

Lindsey J. Baum was last seen at roughly 9:15 p.m. on Maple Street. She was walking home from a friend's house, and the distance she had to go was only about four blocks.

Family, friends and police are all aiding in the search.

Family members are concerned because she has never run away from home.

"We're hoping that Lindsey's just somewhere out there and she's afraid she's in trouble, and Lindsey you're not in trouble - come home," said Melissa McCann, a friend."If anybody's seen her, send her home."

Courtesy Melissa Baum

A search is under way in the town of McCleary for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

McCleary Police say she doesn’t have a history of running away, and since there are less than 2,000 people in town, someone would recognize her if she were walking the streets.

Anyone with information should contact the police.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_062709WAB-Mccleary-girl-missig-KS.11d86a7b.html


Interesting comment in the comment section:
MelissaMcCann 3 hours ago wrote:

You people have no right to be judgemental when you dont know the story. this is my best friends kid and i have been here all day. Lindsey wasnt suppose to be alone. her older brother went with her and they got into a arguement and he came back home with out her. she has a cell phone but had left here on the charger as she was to be right back. so instead of thinking your above it all just prayer for her return.. and for those of you who helped today or had nice wishes for the family we appreciate it much. the search will continue with the search dogs at 6 am.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: MuffyBee on June 28, 2009, 10:43:57 AM
http://www.komonews.com/news/49343017.html
Small town baffled, alarmed at 10-year-old girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jun 27, 2009 at 12:16 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 27, 2009 at 9:52 PM PDT
By Ray Lane and KOMO News Web Staff
MCCLEARY, Wash. - A wide-ranging search is under way for a 10-year-old girl who vanished Friday evening while walking home from a friend's house in this small town set amid forested hills west of Olympia. And now the entire town is worried.
Lindsey J. Baum was last seen at 9:15 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting, said Dave Pimentel of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home.
"She hasn't been seen or heard from since," Pimentel said.
Her mother reported her missing at 10:50 p.m. And as the hours drag by with no sign of her, the girl's family fears she may have been taken by a stranger.

Search teams have been out looking for the girl, using bloodhounds. Sheriff's deputies, meanwhile, are calling people who live in the neighborhood and also are going door to door to see if anyone heard or saw anything.

Other searchers are combing the nearby woods on ATVs. Everyone is anxious for any sign of the missing girl.

Pimentel said Lindsey has never been a runaway. "We don't suspect that at this time," he said.

The girl's disappearance has shocked many residents of McCleary, population 1,550, where the biggest employer is a lumber mill that manufactures doors and people know their neighbors.

"We don't know what happened to her yet. All we know is she's missing, and we're taking every effort we can to try and locate her," he added.

Police say it appears Lindsey walked at least part of the way with home with friends, who didn't see anything unusual.

Melissa McCann, a family friend, said, "This is a small town. These things don't happen. And yet here they are. She comes from her friend's (house) a lot, so it doesn't make sense that she didn't show up at home. We're just baffled."

Pimentel said it's strange that nobody saw anything unusual.

"Such a small community like this - you can't do much in a town this size without everybody knowing about it," he said. "Everybody in town knows she's unaccounted for."

Lindsey's mother admits the 10-year old had been fighting with her brother in the moments before she was last seen, and that Lindsey is still upset about her parent's recent divorce.

But with every passing hour, there are mounting worries that the friendly girl who will talk with anybody is in serious trouble.

Lindsey was last seen wearing a gray hooded pullover sweatshirt, with blue jeans and black shoes. She stands about 4-feet-10-inches and weighs about 85 pounds.
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I hope Lindsey is found soon. 


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 28, 2009, 12:47:08 PM
(http://**/content/articles/2009/06/28/local_news/doc4a4709024546f677630834.jpg)

4 blocks/9:30 pm/10 year old girl ...... not good  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 02:32:49 PM
I agree Nut. Even in a small town. Children CAN be snatched even in a small town. It does happen there and everywhere.


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Missing 10-year-old girl's mom: 'A part of me thinks the worst'

Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:30 AM PDT
By KOMO Staff

MCCLEARY, Wash. - As the search for a missing 10-year-old girl stretched into its second day in this small mill town, police and family are beginning to fear she may have been kidnapped.

Lindsey J. Baum was last seen between 9 and 10 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting, said Dave Pimentel of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home.

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found.

Volunteers went from door to door, interviewing people and distributing fliers. But no one saw or heard anything. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

The search was resumed Sunday at 6 a.m., but so far with the same futile result as the day before.

Police are hesitant to call the girl's disappearance a case of foul play just yet, but the girl's family fears the worst.

"I've tried to keep the thought of somebody grabbing her out of my mind," says her mother, Melissa Baum.

She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.

Her mother says it's not like her to stay away - especially at night.

"She wouldn't stay out that late after dark. She doesn't like to be outside by herself," Melissa Baum says. "I want to think that everything's OK, but there's a part of me that thinks the worst."

Now hope has turned to anxiety and alarm among frustrated search teams - and the whole town, population 1,550, where everybody knows their neighbors.

The mother is also at a loss.

She says her daughter is upset about her recent divorce, but doesn't have money to run away - and has never tried to run away before. Her mom doubts at this point that Lindsey is trying to hide.

"If somebody does have her, I wish they would just drop her off somewhere where she can get to a pay phone and call 911 or call home, so that we can come and get her," she says, sobbing.

Melissa McCann, a family friend, said, "This is a small town. These things don't happen. And yet here they are. She comes from her friend's (house) a lot, so it doesn't make sense that she didn't show up at home. We're just baffled."

Pimentel said it's strange that nobody saw anything unusual.

"Such a small community like this - you can't do much in a town this size without everybody knowing about it," he said. "Everybody in town knows she's unaccounted for."

Lindsey was last seen wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover sweatshirt, with blue jeans and black shoes. She has brown eyes, brown hair, and stands about 4-feet-9-inches and weighs about 80 pounds.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Grays Harbor 911 Center at (800) 281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Red on June 28, 2009, 03:23:33 PM
10 Year Old Lindsey J. Baum Missing Since Friday, June 26, 2009 in McCleary, WA

http://missingexploited.com/2009/06/28/10-year-old-lindsey-j-baum-missing-since-friday-june-26-2009-in-mccleary-wa/

(http://missingexploited.com/picture_library/Lindsey_Baum_missing2_small.jpg)

The police are hesitant to refer to the missing girl’s disappearance a case of foul play; however, the more time goes by, the greater the possibility.

The short walk home from a friends house in a town so small is a troubling bit of information. We have seen in the past just how fast a drive by abduction can be.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 05:55:39 PM
I pray that Lindsey is found safe but … somehow I do fear the worst.

I live in Canada just across the border from Seattle … a three hour drive. At 9:30 PM last night it was dusk bording on dark. Hubby, friends and I were in the process of exiting a theater. I ask what a ten year old little girl is doing on the streets alone at this time of night.

My eight hear old granddaughter is dropped off or picked up any time of the day or night when playing with her neighborhood friends.

What were the adults in this little girl’s life thinking. At 10 years old she has no means to defend herself.

I am angry

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FBI joins search for missing 10-year-old girl
Story Published: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM PDT
By KOMO Staff

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html



Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:00:02 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:01:22 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)

This may also be hers

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 06:03:39 PM
Klaas

I am clueless in regards to MySpace.

Does this 10 year old little girl have a MySpace account?

Janet


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:13:02 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)

This may also be hers

http://www.myspace.com/477760045

On her other Myspace she talks about her german shephard:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyMyspace2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyMyspace2.jpg)


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:14:21 PM
Klaas

I am clueless in regards to MySpace.

Does this 10 year old little girl have a MySpace account?

Janet

Yes 2.  There is no way to stop people from creating Myspace accounts based upon age.  That is up the parent.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:16:00 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)

What this looks like to me is whoever took her, got her login and password to Myspace from HER.  I think the perp is someone they know in town and I'm hoping she's still alive and simply holding her against her will.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:17:17 PM
Janet - with the younger kids, their Myspaces are actually easier to find.  Usually they aren't smart enough to use a fake name when they register. 


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: MuffyBee on June 28, 2009, 06:18:59 PM
Whoa.  This doesn't look good.  I hope Lindsey can be found safe. 


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 06:28:14 PM
Janet - with the younger kids, their Myspaces are actually easier to find.  Usually they aren't smart enough to use a fake name when they register. 

Thanks Klaas

I know my 11 year old grandson has been talking about MySpace so he can communicate with his friends.  Mom and Dad have talked to him explained why they will not afford him the  priviledge at this time and ... he is none too happy.  The same goes with some type of online chat.

Believe me ... the computer is a big reason I would not want to be raising kids today.  It is such a balancing act in determining how far to let out the reins in some areas.

Janet



Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:39:00 PM
Janet - with the younger kids, their Myspaces are actually easier to find.  Usually they aren't smart enough to use a fake name when they register. 

Thanks Klaas

I know my 11 year old grandson has been talking about MySpace so he can communicate with his friends.  Mom and Dad have talked to him explained why they will not afford him the  priviledge at this time and ... he is none too happy.  The same goes with some type of online chat.

Believe me ... the computer is a big reason I would not want to be raising kids today.  It is such a balancing act in determining how far to let out the reins in some areas.

Janet



I'm affraid where there's a will the kids will find a way.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:42:38 PM
Janet - this is her best friend Kayla's myspace.  Kayla is around the same age as Lindsey.  I've blurred out Kayla's face some but is that a matteress on the floor?  Can you imagine a 10yr old child with a photo like that on Myspace?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KaylaMyspace-1.jpg)


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 06:53:19 PM
Did you read that entry about her feeling something bad is going to happen?

On the 29th of May.

The sign-in could be LE or FBI couldn't it klaas?
Should someone call the tip line and let them know or you think they know? If she created the page at someone else's house, it may not be on her home computer.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 06:54:07 PM
Janet - this is her best friend Kayla's myspace.  Kayla is around the same age as Lindsey.  I've blurred out Kayla's face some but is that a matteress on the floor?  Can you imagine a 10yr old child with a photo like that on Myspace?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KaylaMyspace-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Unbelieveable!

Janet


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 06:56:46 PM
More photos of Lindsey:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumPhotos.jpg)


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 06:59:53 PM
Quote
She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
Quote
She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.

I wonder how old her brother is. Is this the same brother she is happy was heading to juvie on her myspace?


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 07:05:01 PM
Janet - with the younger kids, their Myspaces are actually easier to find.  Usually they aren't smart enough to use a fake name when they register. 

Thanks Klaas

I know my 11 year old grandson has been talking about MySpace so he can communicate with his friends.  Mom and Dad have talked to him explained why they will not afford him the  priviledge at this time and ... he is none too happy.  The same goes with some type of online chat.

Believe me ... the computer is a big reason I would not want to be raising kids today.  It is such a balancing act in determining how far to let out the reins in some areas.

Janet



I'm affraid where there's a will the kids will find a way.

You are right.

My grandson was at a friend's home last week ... a friend whose parents have the same expections as my daughter and SIL.  While the mother of friend was on another level of the house these two kids proceeded to play an on-line video game they both knew was not allowed.  Anyways ... the friend's mother caught them in the act and ... proceeded to inform my daughter.  My daughter was thankful.  There were consequnece for my grandson but also the incident provided an opportunity for review lesson in regards to the issue of trust.  Grandson hates those review lessons.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 07:08:32 PM
Looks like family and friends are all over the internet getting the word out.  Good thing since she didn't meet the Amber Alert criteria:

http://freelancersstartingplace.blogspot.com/


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyPosterSearch.jpg)


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 07:10:34 PM
Quote
She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.

I wonder how old her brother is. Is this the same brother she is happy was heading to juvie on her myspace?

Good question Pink Angel.  First thing I wondered is if the brother actually ended up in Juvie.  If this is the same brother then it doesn't appear so.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 07:14:02 PM
Why was there not an immediate Amber alert.  Even when all is considered ... Lindsey is a ten year year old child.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 07:14:08 PM
Looks like family and friends are all over the internet getting the word out.  Good thing since she didn't meet the Amber Alert criteria:

http://freelancersstartingplace.blogspot.com/


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyPosterSearch.jpg)

That's a very good thing. It's so important to get her picture and name out there as quickly as possible.

She is a beautiful girl. If she was taken, it's not going to end well or may never end for the family.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 07:17:35 PM
Why was there not an immediate Amber alert.  Even when all is considered ... Lindsey is a ten year year old child.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Janet,
Amber Alerts have certain criteria that must be met before one is issued.
This didn't meet that criteria.

It sucks. I think the criteria needs to be changed. Any child under 12 there should be some kind of National Alert sounded, to get their name and picture out there...immediately. jmo


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 07:21:37 PM
Quote
She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.

I wonder how old her brother is. Is this the same brother she is happy was heading to juvie on her myspace?

Good question Pink Angel.  First thing I wondered is if the brother actually ended up in Juvie.  If this is the same brother then it doesn't appear so.

Probably thought he was going or that the judge would rule that way?  Or he didn't have to stay but a day or two? I would like to know more about the brother though.

Do you think LE is aware of these myspace pages? She could have made them at a friends house and they might not be aware. Kid's that age are sneaky and like you said "where there is a will, there is a way."


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 07:29:46 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/MissingPersonPosterLindsey.jpg)


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 07:30:25 PM

FBI helping with case of missing McCleary girl

04:20 PM PDT on Sunday, June 28, 2009

TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News

McCLEARY, Wash. - The FBI has been called in to help in the investigation into the disappearance of 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The McCleary girl was last seen Friday on Maple Street.

Michaela Campen is the last person known to have seen Lindsay. The girls were at Michaela's home around 9:30 Friday night, hoping Lindsay could sleep over.

"I told her you need to head home, it's getting dark soon, a half hour of light left.  She put on her shoes and headed home," said Kara Campen.


Lindsay was alone for that nearly half-mile walk.

Her mother called police shortly before 11:00 Friday night to report her missing.

"We're starting to think the worst because it has been two days now, with a small town if anybody knew anything they would have said something so there's a lot of despair," said family friend Melissa McCann.

Neither the family nor investigators believe 10-year-old Lindsay ran away.  They're checking ditches and byways, wondering if she fell victim to an accident, but ruling nothing out.

"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

The family says Lindsay argued with her older brother earlier in the day Friday and her parents recently divorced. But the family firmly believes neither was related to her disappearance.

Anyone with information is asked to call Grays Harbor E911 Center at 360-533-8765 or McCleary Police at 360-495-3107.

There is video @ the link
http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062809WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-sun-SW.165195dd.html





Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 07:56:47 PM
this is disturbing to say the least...a 10 yr old child walking that far alone and at night time? and a Myspace account at 10???? is there no parental blocks on that computer??? my feeling is that it is much too young to have a Myspace acct...children that age need to be supervised while on the computer I think....jmo....if that was my kid or grand child, I would have been on the phone to see where she was and I would have gone to pick her up..small town or not..
that Ben O. was kidnapped from a small country town by the same nutter who had Sean Hornbeck all those years...it can happen anywhere...parents need to be diligent in making sure that their children are watched and safe....especially nowadays...
I hope that this little girl is found safe...it is worrisome....


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: MuffyBee on June 28, 2009, 08:09:17 PM
Sometimes kids go to other people's houses and use their computers to create and access myspace and other websites even if you have parental controls and forbid this at your own house.  Or they can go to the public library and use computers there.   Back to the old "where there's a will, there's a way" saying.  Parents may not even know their kids have a myspace.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 08:14:17 PM
Sometimes kids go to other people's houses and use their computers to create and access myspace and other websites even if you have parental controls and forbid this at your own house.  Or they can go to the public library and use computers there.   Back to the old "where there's a will, there's a way" saying.  Parents may not even know their kids have a myspace.

this is very true! since I have grown kids and younger grand kids, I am probably a bit out of the loop on this stuff...thank God! and with so many latch key kids now a days...(is that still what they call kids who come home from school and stay by themselves while parents are at work?) perhaps they can do their computerizing then as well? Perhaps her parents didn't even know that she had a myspace acct? could very well be...


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 08:30:09 PM
this is disturbing to say the least...a 10 yr old child walking that far alone and at night time? and a Myspace account at 10???? is there no parental blocks on that computer??? my feeling is that it is much too young to have a Myspace acct...children that age need to be supervised while on the computer I think....jmo....if that was my kid or grand child, I would have been on the phone to see where she was and I would have gone to pick her up..small town or not..
that Ben O. was kidnapped from a small country town by the same nutter who had Sean Hornbeck all those years...it can happen anywhere...parents need to be diligent in making sure that their children are watched and safe....especially nowadays...
I hope that this little girl is found safe...it is worrisome....

While I agree that there is only so much parents can do if kids are determined to defy parental expectation when outside the home environment but ...  ... parents can do something other than just throwing up their hands and affording children open access to sites that are not beneficial for their well-being.  Parents are the adult and children deserve protection.  Children do not always appreciate or understand the established boundares but ... for crying out loud ... they are children.  Who is in charge. As the song goes "Love is not a feeling ... it is the act of the will".

1.  Place computer in a central location in the home.
2.  Create blocks.
3.  Establish and follow through with consequences for chosing to disregard expectations.
4.  Check history/cookies daily.
5.  Check expectations of friends' parents.



Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 08:33:31 PM
this is disturbing to say the least...a 10 yr old child walking that far alone and at night time? and a Myspace account at 10???? is there no parental blocks on that computer??? my feeling is that it is much too young to have a Myspace acct...children that age need to be supervised while on the computer I think....jmo....if that was my kid or grand child, I would have been on the phone to see where she was and I would have gone to pick her up..small town or not..
that Ben O. was kidnapped from a small country town by the same nutter who had Sean Hornbeck all those years...it can happen anywhere...parents need to be diligent in making sure that their children are watched and safe....especially nowadays...
I hope that this little girl is found safe...it is worrisome....

While I agree that there is only so much parents can do if kids are determined to defy parental expectation when outside the home environment but ...  ... parents can do something other than just throwing up their hands and affording children open access to sites that are not beneficial for their well-being.  Parents are the adult and children deserve protection.  Children do not always appreciate or understand the established boundares but ... for crying out loud ... they are children.  Who is in charge. As the song goes "Love is not a feeling ... it is the act of the will".

1.  Place computer in a central location in the home.
2.  Create blocks.
3.  Establish and follow through with consequences for chosing to disregard expectations.
4.  Check history/cookies daily.
5.  Check expectations of friends' parents.



yes...I agree with all of your post...


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 08:39:51 PM
Why was there not an immediate Amber alert.  Even when all is considered ... Lindsey is a ten year year old child.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Janet,
Amber Alerts have certain criteria that must be met before one is issued.
This didn't meet that criteria.

It sucks. I think the criteria needs to be changed. Any child under 12 there should be some kind of National Alert sounded, to get their name and picture out there...immediately. jmo

pink angel

I agree.

janet


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2009, 08:47:10 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 08:50:39 PM
who lets a 10 year old walk home alone at 9:15 ?
They must live in wonderland..

What is up with the brother ??

Police need to go back to the beginning.. mo.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 08:50:55 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 08:51:34 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

and isn't that todays date??? who is posting on it then?


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2009, 08:51:35 PM
Why was there not an immediate Amber alert.  Even when all is considered ... Lindsey is a ten year year old child.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
That's what I'm wondering, I guess because of no car to identify?


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 08:55:46 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

and isn't that todays date??? who is posting on it then?

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2009, 08:56:23 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::
Well, I'm afraid to say what I'm thinking. I just started to look at this thread a little while ago, and when I saw that myspace, a very sick feeling went over me. I'm very upset for this young girl right now.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 09:00:11 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::
Well, I'm afraid to say what I'm thinking. I just started to look at this thread a little while ago, and when I saw that myspace, a very sick feeling went over me. I'm very upset for this young girl right now.

me too Rosie..


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 09:03:06 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

and isn't that todays date??? who is posting on it then?

The brother


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 09:06:01 PM
Lots of water in washington.. what lakes or rivers are close by ?


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 09:10:38 PM
Lots of water in washington.. what lakes or rivers are close by ?

Could it be that today's entry (wet) could have been posted by some sicko who met Lindsey online and ... did something to her?

I hope the FBI is aware of this MySpace account.

Janet


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 09:14:07 PM
Lots of water in washington.. what lakes or rivers are close by ?

Could it be that today's entry (wet) could have been posted by some sicko who met Lindsey online and ... did something to her?

I hope the FBI is aware of this MySpace account.

Janet

oh my goodness! had not thought of that...geez, I hope not but there are certainly some sickos about that is for sure!


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 09:25:51 PM
I called. They took the URLS for both and said they said they are aware of them both and thanked me for calling.



Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2009, 09:26:13 PM
Lots of water in washington.. what lakes or rivers are close by ?

Could it be that today's entry (wet) could have been posted by some sicko who met Lindsey online and ... did something to her?

I hope the FBI is aware of this MySpace account.

Janet
That is how I'm taking it to mean, and I feel sick about what I'm thinking.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2009, 09:26:50 PM
I called. They took the URLS for both and said they said they are aware of them both and thanked me for calling.


Thank-you


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
good job Pink Angel... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 09:28:52 PM
I called about 20 minutes ago actually before I went to run and get a pizza. It was bugging the hell out of me. There is info to be gleaned from there, imo.

Friends, how she was feeling etc...


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2009, 09:29:16 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is one of Lindsey's, she had two.  She registered them both using her real name. 


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 09:30:18 PM
I called. They took the URLS for both and said they said they are aware of them both and thanked me for calling.



Thank you pink angel.

I am thankful the FBI are on top of it.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 09:32:21 PM
Can a computer savy Monkey tell me whether today's entry on Lindsey's MySpace account can be traced.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 09:35:13 PM
Lots of water in washington.. what lakes or rivers are close by ?

Could it be that today's entry (wet) could have been posted by some sicko who met Lindsey online and ... did something to her?

I hope the FBI is aware of this MySpace account.

Janet
That is how I'm taking it to mean, and I feel sick about what I'm thinking.

no rose colored glasses

Is this entry (wet) what you were referring to in you previous post?

Janet



Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 09:37:13 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is one of Lindsey's, she had two.  She registered them both using her real name. 

thanks Klaas....so she also lied about her age? not a biggie...when you think of what some of these little girls are doing on myspace and sexting on their phones...posing nude or showing body parts...sending them to their boyfriends who forward them on to their friends...can you imagine? I was always so modest at that age, I would have freaked if anyone saw me in my bra! a training bra at that!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 09:47:29 PM
Can a computer savy Monkey tell me whether today's entry on Lindsey's MySpace account can be traced.

Thanks

Janet

Janet,
If they contact myspace and give them a warrant. They can get all the info they need. Like what IP was used to log into the account, when the account was created, if anything was deleted, etc....



Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 09:50:44 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is one of Lindsey's, she had two.  She registered them both using her real name. 

thanks Klaas....so she also lied about her age? not a biggie...when you think of what some of these little girls are doing on myspace and sexting on their phones...posing nude or showing body parts...sending them to their boyfriends who forward them on to their friends...can you imagine? I was always so modest at that age, I would have freaked if anyone saw me in my bra! a training bra at that!

Hey ... 52 years ago at the age of 10 years old ... I was not aware of the facts of life and ... nothing was up front to even warrant a training bra.  One year later a friend made me promised on the Bible not to tell and ... then whispered to me what she overhead.  I could not stop laughing.  I told her she was nuts.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 09:52:12 PM
Can a computer savy Monkey tell me whether today's entry on Lindsey's MySpace account can be traced.

Thanks

Janet

Janet,
If they contact myspace and give them a warrant. They can get all the info they need. Like what IP was used to log into the account, when the account was created, if anything was deleted, etc....



MySpace has created streamlined procedures for law enforcement agencies and officials to obtain critical data that can be used to aid in investigations. MySpace currently publishes a law enforcement guide, which informs law enforcement agencies of these procedures and outlines how they can work with MySpace regarding subpoenas and requests for information.

MySpace also has a special hotline service for law enforcement officials that is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. MySpace's safety team works directly with law enforcement, answering both emergency and non-emergency calls via the hotline to help in investigations, according to MySpace.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
Can a computer savy Monkey tell me whether today's entry on Lindsey's MySpace account can be traced.

Thanks

Janet

Janet,
If they contact myspace and give them a warrant. They can get all the info they need. Like what IP was used to log into the account, when the account was created, if anything was deleted, etc....



Thanks pink angel.

I am praying for a positive outcome.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2009, 09:53:06 PM
Can a computer savy Monkey tell me whether today's entry on Lindsey's MySpace account can be traced.

Thanks

Janet

Janet,
If they contact myspace and give them a warrant. They can get all the info they need. Like what IP was used to log into the account, when the account was created, if anything was deleted, etc....



MySpace has created streamlined procedures for law enforcement agencies and officials to obtain critical data that can be used to aid in investigations. MySpace currently publishes a law enforcement guide, which informs law enforcement agencies of these procedures and outlines how they can work with MySpace regarding subpoenas and requests for information.

MySpace also has a special hotline service for law enforcement officials that is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. MySpace's safety team works directly with law enforcement, answering both emergency and non-emergency calls via the hotline to help in investigations, according to MySpace.
I didn't know all that, thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2009, 09:55:59 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is one of Lindsey's, she had two.  She registered them both using her real name. 

thanks Klaas....so she also lied about her age? not a biggie...when you think of what some of these little girls are doing on myspace and sexting on their phones...posing nude or showing body parts...sending them to their boyfriends who forward them on to their friends...can you imagine? I was always so modest at that age, I would have freaked if anyone saw me in my bra! a training bra at that!

Hey ... 52 years ago at the age of 10 years old ... I was not aware of the facts of life and ... nothing was up front to even warrant a training bra.  One year later a friend made me promised on the Bible not to tell and ... then whispered to me what she overhead.  I could not stop laughing.  I told her she was nuts.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


LOL@Janet!
When I was 10, I was thinking about barbies not boobies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 09:56:17 PM
Can a computer savy Monkey tell me whether today's entry on Lindsey's MySpace account can be traced.

Thanks

Janet

Janet,
If they contact myspace and give them a warrant. They can get all the info they need. Like what IP was used to log into the account, when the account was created, if anything was deleted, etc....



MySpace has created streamlined procedures for law enforcement agencies and officials to obtain critical data that can be used to aid in investigations. MySpace currently publishes a law enforcement guide, which informs law enforcement agencies of these procedures and outlines how they can work with MySpace regarding subpoenas and requests for information.

MySpace also has a special hotline service for law enforcement officials that is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. MySpace's safety team works directly with law enforcement, answering both emergency and non-emergency calls via the hotline to help in investigations, according to MySpace.

Thanks again.

As I told Klaas earlier ... I am clueless in regards to MySpace.

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2009, 09:58:45 PM
I don't understand myspace either  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 10:02:22 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is one of Lindsey's, she had two.  She registered them both using her real name. 

thanks Klaas....so she also lied about her age? not a biggie...when you think of what some of these little girls are doing on myspace and sexting on their phones...posing nude or showing body parts...sending them to their boyfriends who forward them on to their friends...can you imagine? I was always so modest at that age, I would have freaked if anyone saw me in my bra! a training bra at that!

Hey ... 52 years ago at the age of 10 years old ... I was not aware of the facts of life and ... nothing was up front to even warrant a training bra.  One year later a friend made me promised on the Bible not to tell and ... then whispered to me what she overhead.  I could not stop laughing.  I told her she was nuts.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


LOL@Janet!
When I was 10, I was thinking about barbies not boobies.


EXACTLY!!

Even when my Mother announced one day when I was twelve that we were going to go shopping for a training bra ... I resisted.  It was so embarrassing.  I even wore a stretchy undershirt over the bra ... under a very loose fitting blouse ... to make me appear flat.

I rememer my brother spotting my bra in the laundery hamper and held it up showing his friends while he ran around the basement.  I REALLY hated him at that moment.  If thoughts could kill .....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 28, 2009, 10:03:11 PM
I hope the FBI and LE are checking her Myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/402470771

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMyspace.jpg)
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm disturbed by this.

me too...it says that she is 13...is this Lindsey's myspace and she lied about her age or is it a friends? little confused...and what does "wet" mean? ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is one of Lindsey's, she had two.  She registered them both using her real name. 

thanks Klaas....so she also lied about her age? not a biggie...when you think of what some of these little girls are doing on myspace and sexting on their phones...posing nude or showing body parts...sending them to their boyfriends who forward them on to their friends...can you imagine? I was always so modest at that age, I would have freaked if anyone saw me in my bra! a training bra at that!

Hey ... 52 years ago at the age of 10 years old ... I was not aware of the facts of life and ... nothing was up front to even warrant a training bra.  One year later a friend made me promised on the Bible not to tell and ... then whispered to me what she overhead.  I could not stop laughing.  I told her she was nuts.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


LOL@Janet!
When I was 10, I was thinking about barbies not boobies.

lol! me too!
funny story Janet...^^^^


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on June 28, 2009, 10:45:39 PM
Her Myspace has changed.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
Northern Rose

Are the entries made today by "friends" who have already been accepted by Lindsey?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on June 29, 2009, 12:42:10 AM
A few comments regarding previous posts:

As far as the walking home at night contrary to what many think at the time Lindsey went missing it was still quite light out side as has been attested to by local police.

The bottom picture of Kayla - No that is not a mattress on the floor it is a pillow and the pic was taken at a girlfriends house when they were hanging out watching movies.

As for Lindsey's Myspace it was a kid (a friend) of Lindsey's that wrote the "I'm on Lindsey's myspace that is cool" as for the mood that is not what everyone appears to think it is it had been set to that previously in reference to a water war the kids all had. So nothing funny there.

Both girls are not suppose to be accessing Myspace but as of yet that is one site that has not been blocked from all public library computers or all of their friends homes.

- Lastly, I believe the basis of this forum is suppose to be supportive not trying to throw blame but instead provide support and to also discuss ways of trying to get the missing home safely. I understand sometimes trying to dig out information and hopefully leads and ideas means sometimes hitting where it hurts but please remember that above all else - There Is a Child Missing

It was my house that she left and no one can change the fact that I did not walk her home regardless of how light it was outside and that guilt eats me alive and haunts me every minute that ticks by. I wish it would have been dark out when she left because then I would have walked her home and we would not be here right now. If I could change things I would in a heartbeat but I can't now. As for Lindsey's mom she does not have a car but when she did Lindsey never had to walk home in the dark and she wouldn't, her mom was always right there to pick her up. What ifs do nothing more then make a tough situation more difficult for those of us who love Lindsey and they won't help bring her home...

What if...
One of the 2000 McCleary residents would have been outside and seen her
I had walked her home
I had let her stay the night
someone close had a car
it was one minute earlier/later
it was five minutes later/earlier
it was dark outside when she left
she had been walking with someone
police would have been patrolling that area
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
she had remembered to bring her phone
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on June 29, 2009, 12:55:25 AM
KaraK, I do not know the agony you and Lindsey's family and friends are enduring.  First and most important, we are praying for Lindsey's safe return and you will find most of the monkeys here to be kind and nurturing.  Words said are as much to ourselves as they are to you or anyone involved in this critical situation.  Yes, it is so much easier to sit on the sidelines and say after the fact what any of us could or should have done.  Kindly know we care and will help any way we can to bring this precious child back home safely.  Please convey to the Baum family and your community our deepest wishes for a joyful outcome.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 02:45:54 AM
KaraK, I do not know the agony you and Lindsey's family and friends are enduring.  First and most important, we are praying for Lindsey's safe return and you will find most of the monkeys here to be kind and nurturing.  Words said are as much to ourselves as they are to you or anyone involved in this critical situation.  Yes, it is so much easier to sit on the sidelines and say after the fact what any of us could or should have done.  Kindly know we care and will help any way we can to bring this precious child back home safely.  Please convey to the Baum family and your community our deepest wishes for a joyful outcome.

I couldn't have said it better Sister.

KaraK, please know we care deeply about all the missing and their family and friends. We want nothing more than for Lindsey to be found and brought home safe to the people that love her and miss her.

My thoughts and prayers are with Lindsey, her family, with you and your family and your community.

Many of us have our own blogs, myspaces, facebooks, etc...we are helping spread the word to help and get Lindsey's name and picture out there.

If there is anything we can do to help, just let us know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 03:00:46 AM
Quote
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed

These 2 "what ifs" are what makes me angry. We see it every day here at SM. Either a sex offender being involved with a missing child or law enforcement not moving quickly enough, not issuing an alert quick enough or not at all, assuming a child under 12 is a run away and dragging their heals.

The Amber Alert criteria needs to be re-evaluated because Amber Alerts work. They may not have a vehicle or a suspect to flash a picture of but they sure can get the child's name and picture out there IMMEDIATELY! Not 4 hours later or 12 hours later when the child could be a state away or worse.

They also need to make sure the sickos are locked up for a long time and if they let the monsters out, track them with GPS like the animals that they are. I am sick of the monsters having all the rights and our children not having any!!

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on June 29, 2009, 03:04:05 AM
Thank you very much for your kindness. It is appreciated. I really want people to understand that it was light outside when she left otherwise I would have never let her walk home and neither would her mom. I have 4 children of my own and Lindsey was like our own. As parents we should have been more careful and given them less freedom- we see that now and understand peoples frustrations and we are now paying dearly for that but if you look at McCleary - things like this just don't happen if you check out the stats for here you'll understand that we all really thought our kids were safe. So little goes on here that everyone doesn't know about. The Sgt. here grew up here and in his years we've never had a kid go missing - unless it was a runaway and even then they were all found quickly.

Lindsey's mom lost her sole source of transportation (it broke down) and they were barely getting by but her mom works hard and has found a way to continue to commute to the job she has had to keep to make it and take care of her kids which she loves so much and was constantly checking on Lindsey and having her check in. She is sitting outside her home right now hour after hour praying for some news and nothing comes - no leads - no news - no clue what happened -being told there is nothing that we can do to help. And all the while she still has to care for her son. I wouldn't dare try to say I know what she is going through but I know when she searches online hoping to find a bit of news that someone failed to update us on and it breaks her heart when she runs across the adversity. Mine too.
 
People on other sites are dissecting Lindsey's MySpace profiles and that of my daughters as well and I don't blame them but they don't know these girls for real. MySpace was their way of being cool and living outside the box - that's all. We are not perfect parents but we love our children and they may have their issues (as most kids do) but they are good kids.

I will pass on your well wishes for a safe return and again - Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 03:41:44 AM
Thank you very much for your kindness. It is appreciated. I really want people to understand that it was light outside when she left otherwise I would have never let her walk home and neither would her mom. I have 4 children of my own and Lindsey was like our own. As parents we should have been more careful and given them less freedom- we see that now and understand peoples frustrations and we are now paying dearly for that but if you look at McCleary - things like this just don't happen if you check out the stats for here you'll understand that we all really thought our kids were safe. So little goes on here that everyone doesn't know about. The Sgt. here grew up here and in his years we've never had a kid go missing - unless it was a runaway and even then they were all found quickly.

Lindsey's mom lost her sole source of transportation (it broke down) and they were barely getting by but her mom works hard and has found a way to continue to commute to the job she has had to keep to make it and take care of her kids which she loves so much and was constantly checking on Lindsey and having her check in. She is sitting outside her home right now hour after hour praying for some news and nothing comes - no leads - no news - no clue what happened -being told there is nothing that we can do to help. And all the while she still has to care for her son. I wouldn't dare try to say I know what she is going through but I know when she searches online hoping to find a bit of news that someone failed to update us on and it breaks her heart when she runs across the adversity. Mine too.
 
People on other sites are dissecting Lindsey's MySpace profiles and that of my daughters as well and I don't blame them but they don't know these girls for real. MySpace was their way of being cool and living outside the box - that's all. We are not perfect parents but we love our children and they may have their issues (as most kids do) but they are good kids.

I will pass on your well wishes for a safe return and again - Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.


My heart goes out to you. I can hear your pain in your words.

Most of us monkeys have been following missing person cases a long time. Some of us have had missing loved ones, some of us have known someone who was missing, many of us have took part in searching for a missing person listed on this forum (either on the ground or helping with donations for the volunteers) and all of us are advocates for the missing. We care, we love, we pray and we have hope that all these pages of missing people will find their way home, no matter what.

In caring and following so many cases, we know what you are just learning so painfully. That it does happen even in small towns. That it can happen in the blink of an eye. That the internet can be a dangerous place for young children. There are so many evil people out there and children trust so easily. What seems like a a "cool friend" that you talk to online, can easily be a 40 year old sicko...pretending to be a 12 year old girl.

It's a shame that we live in a world that are children are not even safe in their own backyard.

We look at each new missing person and we talk amongst ourselves, batting around ideas, looking for clues and trying to help in whatever way we can. It isn't always pretty for family members or friends to read. I am sorry for that. It can come across as harsh and unfeeling...which is the furthest from the truth.
Please know it isn't because we don't care. It's because we do care.

We celebrate with joy each time a missing loved one is found safe and we grieve and cry when a missing loved one is recovered.

We never give up hope. We want them all to be found.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 29, 2009, 04:31:59 AM
KaraK, I do not know the agony you and Lindsey's family and friends are enduring.  First and most important, we are praying for Lindsey's safe return and you will find most of the monkeys here to be kind and nurturing.  Words said are as much to ourselves as they are to you or anyone involved in this critical situation.  Yes, it is so much easier to sit on the sidelines and say after the fact what any of us could or should have done.  Kindly know we care and will help any way we can to bring this precious child back home safely.  Please convey to the Baum family and your community our deepest wishes for a joyful outcome.

I couldn't have said it better Sister.

KaraK, please know we care deeply about all the missing and their family and friends. We want nothing more than for Lindsey to be found and brought home safe to the people that love her and miss her.

My thoughts and prayers are with Lindsey, her family, with you and your family and your community.

Many of us have our own blogs, myspaces, facebooks, etc...we are helping spread the word to help and get Lindsey's name and picture out there.

If there is anything we can do to help, just let us know.


I agree.  The tears have not stopped flowing since clicking on this thread.  I am glad to know about her myspace and what it meant.  I agree it is hard to monitor our children or what they see.  In school 2 years ago, my son saw a nude woman on the computer in the library there, even with all of the filters they have.  My son had an aide with him, he has autism, and quickly changed the screen after covering my son's face.  My son did not type in anything inappropriate.  This was middle school.  They never even told me about the incident, even though I sent a communication book in every day and someone wrote in the book that day.  Luckily, my son told me.  If he did not have autism, he probably would have been too embarrassed, he tells me everything, so far...

The people here really do try to help.  Some are born scolders, this may not help the current case, but there are people out there that may read this thread that do not know what kids do today.  That may help the next child from being missing after reading that.  I would not like to see things like that when I know what the real situation is.  We don't know everything.  In a way that is good because we can look at things from all angles. 

I have been thinking about you, in particular, and how much pain you must be in.  I am praying for you, your family, Lindsey and her family and friends.  Please hang in there.

We really do care.  We have all kinds of people here and each have their own way of showing it.

Please communicate with us on a regular basis and tell us what we can do each step of the way. 

Hopefully the next communication with you will be that she is alive and well.  Miracles happen every day.  I am praying for one for Lindsey's family and friends.

 ::MonkeyAngel::






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on June 29, 2009, 09:14:38 AM
Thank you very much for your kindness. It is appreciated. I really want people to understand that it was light outside when she left otherwise I would have never let her walk home and neither would her mom. I have 4 children of my own and Lindsey was like our own. As parents we should have been more careful and given them less freedom- we see that now and understand peoples frustrations and we are now paying dearly for that but if you look at McCleary - things like this just don't happen if you check out the stats for here you'll understand that we all really thought our kids were safe. So little goes on here that everyone doesn't know about. The Sgt. here grew up here and in his years we've never had a kid go missing - unless it was a runaway and even then they were all found quickly.

Lindsey's mom lost her sole source of transportation (it broke down) and they were barely getting by but her mom works hard and has found a way to continue to commute to the job she has had to keep to make it and take care of her kids which she loves so much and was constantly checking on Lindsey and having her check in. She is sitting outside her home right now hour after hour praying for some news and nothing comes - no leads - no news - no clue what happened -being told there is nothing that we can do to help. And all the while she still has to care for her son. I wouldn't dare try to say I know what she is going through but I know when she searches online hoping to find a bit of news that someone failed to update us on and it breaks her heart when she runs across the adversity. Mine too.
 
People on other sites are dissecting Lindsey's MySpace profiles and that of my daughters as well and I don't blame them but they don't know these girls for real. MySpace was their way of being cool and living outside the box - that's all. We are not perfect parents but we love our children and they may have their issues (as most kids do) but they are good kids.

I will pass on your well wishes for a safe return and again - Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.


KaraK  my heart goes out to your family and that of Lindsey's.  I pray for her safe return and that the family can remain strong until then.  The Amber Alert system may work at times but I feel it fails more times than works when every second counts.  Lindsey's brother must be going through his own guilt right now that he was not there to walk her home and my heart goes out to that young man. 

What if's will only eat you alive and though I have done what if's many times in my life it has never made anything better nor solved things.  Please know we have huge hearts and are passionate about children and their safety.  If there is anything we can do to assist let us know as there are so many monkeys with great skills that can help. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on June 29, 2009, 09:34:42 AM
I did a search for RSO's and there are only two within 2 miles.  Should be easy for police to interview them in a hurry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 09:45:32 AM
KaraK my heart goes out to you and to Lindsey's family. It sounds like a lovely small town, I come from a small town, one doesn't expect bad things to happen, one feels safe in their environment, and I'm sure that is how the neighbors all felt, safe. My thoughts and prayers  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on June 29, 2009, 10:12:30 AM
When using the Grays Harbor Offenders Portal I found one more that did not come up in the 2 mile search.  There are 138 offenders in Grays Harbor with 14 of them being non-compliant in registering their addresses so who knows where they are.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/index.htm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on June 29, 2009, 10:15:48 AM
Edward, here is a terrain map that should answer your question .



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 29, 2009, 10:26:03 AM
KaraK...my thoughts and prayers are with you and Lindsey's family!
thank you for coming on here and posting the facts of what happened that night that Lindsey went missing ......thinking of you....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 10:26:08 AM
Search intensifies for missing McCleary girl

06:47 AM PDT on Monday, June 29, 2009

By KING Staff Reports

Video: FBI helping in search for missing McCleary girl
Larger screen E-mail this clip

McCLEARY, Wash. - Grays Harbor sheriff's deputies intensify their search for a 10-year-old McCeary girl missing for more than two days.

Ten-year-old Lindsey Baum was last seen 9:15 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's house for a walk on Maple Street.

On Sunday, the FBI joined the search, helping the sheriff's department stop every car driving through the main part of town to see if anyone knows anything.

The sheriff's department says search teams will be back out Monday to search for Lindsey, this time enlisting the use of a helicopter. They will also bring back K-9 units because they know with more than 48 hours since Lindsey disappeared, time is of the essence.


me: now they are worried about time? ::shakes head::

"I just want her back. I just I need her back," said Melissa Baum, Lindsey's mother.

Lindsey's friend, Michaela Campen, is the last person known to have seen her. The girls were at Michaela's home Friday night, hoping Lindsey could sleep over.

"I told her you need to head home, it's getting dark soon, a half hour of light left.  She put on her shoes and headed home," said Kara Campen, Michaela's mother.

Lindsey was alone for that nearly half-mile walk.

Her mother called police shortly before 11:00 Friday night to report her missing.

"We're starting to think the worst because it has been two days now, with a small town if anybody knew anything they would have said something so there's a lot of despair," said family friend Melissa McCann.

Neither the family nor investigators believe 10-year-old Lindsay ran away.  They're checking ditches and byways, wondering if she fell victim to an accident, but ruling nothing out.

"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

The family says Lindsey argued with her older brother earlier in the day Friday and her parents recently divorced. But the family firmly believes neither was related to her disappearance.

Anyone with information is asked to call Grays Harbor E911 Center at 360-533-8765 or McCleary Police at 360-495-3107.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html
video at the link





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 10:27:33 AM
Thanks Northern Rose about the sex offenders in the area  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 10:28:42 AM
Thanks Pink Angel for the update.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 10:34:31 AM
From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 10:39:36 AM
Three of them are listed twice. Weird.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 29, 2009, 10:41:47 AM
From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable   

this is astounding...a small town ...our children are not safe anywhere...parents are going to have to realize this...and what a shame that this is the case...our children should be able to walk our streets no matter where they live and not have to worry about sex offenders and kidnappers...
stuff like this does not happen in Japan...my husband goes there a lot for business...women walk around all alone at any time, light, dark without fear of being raped or molested...why? because Japan and other countries do not tolerate child molesters or rapists, murderers...they are severely punished...that being said, I am sure that Japan and other areas  have their own other problems that the USA does not have! We really need to get control of the SO s taking over our streets...jmo...and this does not mean that a SO has Lindsey...just that there are too many in her area for that small of a town imo....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 10:51:52 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Maple+St,+McCleary,+WA+98557&daddr=319+e+mommsen+road&geocode=&hl=en&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=47.054765,-123.266865&sspn=0.003604,0.009645&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17

Google map.

How many sex offenders does it show in Elma (the next town over) @ the sight you were checking on NorthernRose?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 10:53:32 AM
I may have missed it, but how old is Lindsey's brother?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 10:54:27 AM
From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable   

this is astounding...a small town ...our children are not safe anywhere...parents are going to have to realize this...and what a shame that this is the case...our children should be able to walk our streets no matter where they live and not have to worry about sex offenders and kidnappers...
stuff like this does not happen in Japan...my husband goes there a lot for business...women walk around all alone at any time, light, dark without fear of being raped or molested...why? because Japan and other countries do not tolerate child molesters or rapists, murderers...they are severely punished...that being said, I am sure that Japan and other areas  have their own other problems that the USA does not have! We really need to get control of the SO s taking over our streets...jmo...and this does not mean that a SO has Lindsey...just that there are too many in her area for that small of a town imo....
Three of them are listed twice. So there is five. Still a lot for such a small population area. jmo

These are only the identified ones. There are plenty of sickos out there who have never been caught.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 10:55:36 AM
I may have missed it, but how old is Lindsey's brother?

It's not information that has been mentioned. I assume he is older than 10.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 11:01:57 AM

Search for missing McCleary girl gets national attention

Story Updated: Jun 29, 2009 at 7:27 AM PDT
By KOMO Staff

MCCLEARY, Wash. - Dozens of volunteers are taking back to the streets and woods of this small Grays Harbor County town for a third day in search for a 10-year-old girl who vanished Friday while walking home from a friend's house.

They'll be joined by FBI agents who are lending their expertise and experience in solving missing children cases. The FBI also will be bringing in more law enforcement personnel to assist.

Lindsey J. Baum was last seen between 9 and 10 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting, said Dave Pimentel of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home.

Her mysterious disappearance has left police, family - along with the whole town - affled and concerned at the girl's disappearance in a town of 1,550 where everyone knows their neighbors.

The search is going national online as Lindsey's information is now on the front page of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children web site.

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

Three times as many people joined the search on Sunday and many more were expected Monday, as they scour areas that weren't checked earlier.

Police are hesitant to call the girl's disappearance a case of foul play just yet, but the girl's family fears the worst.

"I've tried to keep the thought of somebody grabbing her out of my mind," her mother, Melissa Baum, said Sunday.

She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.

"I want to think that everything's OK, but there's a part of me that thinks the worst," Williams says.

Now hope has turned to anxiety and alarm among frustrated search teams. The mother is also at a loss.

She says her daughter is upset about her recent divorce, but doesn't have money to run away - and has never tried to run away before. Her mom doubts at this point that Lindsey is trying to hide.

"If somebody does have her, I wish they would just drop her off somewhere where she can get to a pay phone and call 911 or call home, so that we can come and get her," she says, sobbing.

Melissa McCann, a family friend, said, "This is a small town. These things don't happen. And yet here they are. She comes from her friend's (house) a lot, so it doesn't make sense that she didn't show up at home. We're just baffled."

Lindsey's father lives in Tennessee. Police have contacted him, and he's not suspected of any involvement in Lindsey's disappearance.

Pimentel said it's strange that nobody saw anything unusual.

"Such a small community like this - you can't do much in a town this size without everybody knowing about it," he said. "Everybody in town knows she's unaccounted for."

Lindsey was last seen wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover sweatshirt, with blue jeans and black shoes. She has brown eyes, brown hair, and stands about 4-feet-9-inches and weighs about 80 pounds.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Grays Harbor 911 Center at (800) 281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49428097.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on June 29, 2009, 11:17:14 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Maple+St,+McCleary,+WA+98557&daddr=319+e+mommsen+road&geocode=&hl=en&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=47.054765,-123.266865&sspn=0.003604,0.009645&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17

Google map.

How many sex offenders does it show in Elma (the next town over) @ the sight you were checking on NorthernRose?
I get 5 in Elma, two who have no photo or address.

Found 5 offenders in 5 locations  Radius:  0.25 miles 0.5 miles 1 mile 2 miles   
 # Status Name Address City  Zip Type View Details
Photo Not Available 1           
 2  ROBERT MCCONNELL  600 block of W Main Street
 Elma 98541 Home Address   
 3  CORY KELLIS  800 block of W Anderson Street
 Elma 98541 Home Address   
 4  EUGENE MILLER  100 block of Strawberry Hill Road
 Elma 98541 Home Address   
Photo Not Available 5           


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?AgencyID=54470&whichaddr=&SubmitAddrSearch=1&AddrStreet=800+E+Main+St&AddrCity=elma&AddrState=48&AddrZip=98541&AddrZipPlus=


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 11:23:29 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Maple+St,+McCleary,+WA+98557&daddr=319+e+mommsen+road&geocode=&hl=en&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=47.054765,-123.266865&sspn=0.003604,0.009645&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17

Google map.

How many sex offenders does it show in Elma (the next town over) @ the sight you were checking on NorthernRose?
I get 5 in Elma, two who have no photo or address.

Found 5 offenders in 5 locations  Radius:  0.25 miles 0.5 miles 1 mile 2 miles   
 # Status Name Address City  Zip Type View Details
Photo Not Available 1           
 2  ROBERT MCCONNELL  600 block of W Main Street
 Elma 98541 Home Address   
 3  CORY KELLIS  800 block of W Anderson Street
 Elma 98541 Home Address   
 4  EUGENE MILLER  100 block of Strawberry Hill Road
 Elma 98541 Home Address   
Photo Not Available 5           


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?AgencyID=54470&whichaddr=&SubmitAddrSearch=1&AddrStreet=800+E+Main+St&AddrCity=elma&AddrState=48&AddrZip=98541&AddrZipPlus=
Thanks so much hon! I am finding it disturbing how they are not keeping it updated with addresses and photos. And if these people are suppose to register and are not....why are they not back in jail?

No enforcement. These laws were put in place to protect the community and inform the community. You can have all the laws in the world against these monsters but if they are not funded or enforced, the laws are not worth the paper they are printed on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 12:36:18 PM
I may have missed it, but how old is Lindsey's brother?

It's not information that has been mentioned. I assume he is older than 10.
Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2009, 01:35:06 PM
A few comments regarding previous posts:

As far as the walking home at night contrary to what many think at the time Lindsey went missing it was still quite light out side as has been attested to by local police.

The bottom picture of Kayla - No that is not a mattress on the floor it is a pillow and the pic was taken at a girlfriends house when they were hanging out watching movies.

As for Lindsey's Myspace it was a kid (a friend) of Lindsey's that wrote the "I'm on Lindsey's myspace that is cool" as for the mood that is not what everyone appears to think it is it had been set to that previously in reference to a water war the kids all had. So nothing funny there.

Both girls are not suppose to be accessing Myspace but as of yet that is one site that has not been blocked from all public library computers or all of their friends homes.

- Lastly, I believe the basis of this forum is suppose to be supportive not trying to throw blame but instead provide support and to also discuss ways of trying to get the missing home safely. I understand sometimes trying to dig out information and hopefully leads and ideas means sometimes hitting where it hurts but please remember that above all else - There Is a Child Missing

It was my house that she left and no one can change the fact that I did not walk her home regardless of how light it was outside and that guilt eats me alive and haunts me every minute that ticks by. I wish it would have been dark out when she left because then I would have walked her home and we would not be here right now. If I could change things I would in a heartbeat but I can't now. As for Lindsey's mom she does not have a car but when she did Lindsey never had to walk home in the dark and she wouldn't, her mom was always right there to pick her up. What ifs do nothing more then make a tough situation more difficult for those of us who love Lindsey and they won't help bring her home...

What if...
One of the 2000 McCleary residents would have been outside and seen her
I had walked her home
I had let her stay the night
someone close had a car
it was one minute earlier/later
it was five minutes later/earlier
it was dark outside when she left
she had been walking with someone
police would have been patrolling that area
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
she had remembered to bring her phone
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed



Welcome KaraK.  We at SM are praying along with you, Lindsey's family and the rest of the community that Lindsey returns home safely. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on June 29, 2009, 01:35:48 PM
Edward, here is a terrain map that should answer your question .



Geography
McCleary is located at 47°3′19″N 123°16′8″W / 47.05528°N 123.26889°W / 47.05528; -123.26889 (47.055359, -123.268859)[3].

According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 1.8 square miles (4.7 km²), of which, 1.8 square miles (4.7 km²) of it is land and 0.55% is water.


Demographics
As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 1,454 people, 555 households, and 376 families residing in the city. The population density was 800.2 people per square mile (308.5/km²). There were 583 housing units at an average density of 320.9/sq mi (123.7/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 94.36% White, 0.21% African American, 0.89% Native American, 0.28% Asian, 0.76% from other races, and 3.51% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.20% of the population.

There were 555 households out of which 32.1% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 50.3% were married couples living together, 13.7% had a female householder with no husband present, and 32.1% were non-families. 27.2% of all households were made up of individuals and 13.2% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.48 and the average family size was 3.00.

In the city the population was spread out with 25.0% under the age of 18, 7.7% from 18 to 24, 27.0% from 25 to 44, 21.5% from 45 to 64, and 18.8% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 38 years. For every 100 females there were 91.1 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 87.0 males.

The median income for a household in the city was $30,769, and the median income for a family was $36,534. Males had a median income of $33,421 versus $25,417 for females. The per capita income for the city was $14,249. About 12.2% of families and 17.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including 22.9% of those under age 18 and 24.5% of those age 65 or over.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on June 29, 2009, 01:37:59 PM
Lake Clara .. a small lake in the woods .. ??


Go to this link and choose ariel map to look around..

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&address=14920+Highway+99+Ste+108&city=Lynnwood&state=WA&zipcode=98087#a/maps/l::14920+Highway+99+Ste+108:Lynnwood:WA:98087-5024:US:47.863066:-122.283006:address:Snohomish+County:1/m:hyb:7:47.125634:-123.043577:0:::::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 03:02:52 PM
says they took out bloodhounds to search but nothing.  Were these trained "trailing dogs".  why nothing.  did the dogs not alert "ANYWHERE"?  That soon after she is missing how can a dog not hit the trail scent?  that is not right.  did they NOT take out trained trailing dogs.  If not, why not, and ARE THYE GOING TO?  Someone needs to find out and INSIST they do. 

they dogs should be able to find the scent and where it ends.  If it just ends, she probably got in a vehicle. 

the friend who walked her part of the way home would know which side of the road they were on when the friend left and where at, the dogs could start there and see how much farther she got down the road. 

I really hope they are doing this and just saying there was NOTHING.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: rizzo44 on June 29, 2009, 03:16:16 PM
I do not understand why scent dogs would not find her trail.
Did the dogs find her scent at her home?
If not, then they need different dogs.

If so, then what is going on?
There should have been her scent on the four blocks to her home.

Has anyone googled mapped the route from friend's home to her home?

Are there any attractions that might have distracted from her walk home?

This is so frustrating for her family and friends.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 03:18:52 PM
I do not understand why scent dogs would not find her trail.
Did the dogs find her scent at her home?
If not, then they need different dogs.

If so, then what is going on?
There should have been her scent on the four blocks to her home.

Has anyone googled mapped the route from friend's home to her home?

Are there any attractions that might have distracted from her walk home?

This is so frustrating for her family and friends.
Welcome, and I agree, this isn't making much sense. The frustration must be horrible for family and friends. Could she have taken a different route?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
her friend walked her part way home.  that friend knows exactly where they departed, they could start the trailing dogs right there.  something is not right about this.  or... they are not saying what they found out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 03:49:50 PM
her friend walked her part way home.  that friend knows exactly where they departed, they could start the trailing dogs right there.  something is not right about this.  or... they are not saying what they found out.
Something is not right at all, or like you say they aren't saying what they found out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.
_________________________

that does not make sense!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: rizzo44 on June 29, 2009, 04:01:46 PM
Something is really wrong.
If there is no scent on the walk home,
is there a scent at the friend's house,
in the friend's parents car?

I pray for the best for Lindsey. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 04:06:04 PM
Something is really wrong.
If there is no scent on the walk home,
is there a scent at the friend's house,
in the friend's parents car?

I pray for the best for Lindsey. 

there HAS TO BE scent, that is a given, and we KNOW there has to be.  So either they have the crappiest inexperienced dogs out there and need to get some other ones;  or they found her scent and know where it went or where it stopped and they just are not saying as not to alert someone. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 04:07:55 PM
do we know the address of her house and the friends house so I can look on the map to see what is in between the two?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on June 29, 2009, 04:12:45 PM
I agree, LE is just telling the news to say no scent found..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: canadianmonkey on June 29, 2009, 04:14:38 PM
do we know the address of her house and the friends house so I can look on the map to see what is in between the two?

Hi Doubledecker

I looked up her address earlier.  It's 319 Mommsen St.  I couldn't find the friends.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 04:15:01 PM
I agree, LE is just telling the news to say no scent found..

They have to be, they must know something, and want it kept quiet for now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 04:19:07 PM
I agree, LE is just telling the news to say no scent found..


it really must be that, because the fbi is on this case and they are not so stupid as to think there is no scent anywhere.  let me go back and read through the articles again.  See what they were doing before the feds got involved as opposed to what they are doing after the feds get involved. 

If she got in a car the scent would weaken or stop, usually weaken.  Dogs can trail a person in a car also.
Especially, if there is a window rolled down.  I wonder what the weather was?  was it cold enough to have the windows rolled up? 

if her friends walked her part of the way home, and they know when she left the friends house, then they know just about where she disappeared.  Can't be that far from where the friends departed and the rest of the way to her house.  I wonder who lives in this area along that road? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 04:20:55 PM
do we know the address of her house and the friends house so I can look on the map to see what is in between the two?

Hi Doubledecker

I looked up her address earlier.  It's 319 Mommsen St.  I couldn't find the friends.

thanks, I will get that on a map and try to find the friends address.  did they say the friends' name?  I can get the address if they did. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: canadianmonkey on June 29, 2009, 04:33:11 PM
do we know the address of her house and the friends house so I can look on the map to see what is in between the two?

Hi Doubledecker

I looked up her address earlier.  It's 319 Mommsen St.  I couldn't find the friends.

thanks, I will get that on a map and try to find the friends address.  did they say the friends' name?  I can get the address if they did. 

I think the friends house she was at father's name is Scott Williams and the friend she was last seen with's mothers name is Kara Campen.  Kara's been posting here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 04:39:10 PM
ok I have the friends father so I can get the address,
also
 last seen at 9:15 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's home on Maple Street

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 05:02:34 PM
well hmmm can't find the friend's house address.  gee.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
I am assuming it is between 4th and 5th, west of Lindsey's.

I'll just use that til we find the exact address


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 05:09:05 PM
They have issued a Code Amber News Service Alert for Lindsey - (CANS)
 http://is.gd/1inE0 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 05:13:31 PM
They have issued a Code Amber News Service Alert for Lindsey - (CANS)
 http://is.gd/1inE0 
Thanks, I sure wish this would have happened sooner, but at least there is something. With this alert, will Lindsey's info be up on the freeways?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 05:13:41 PM
Quote
The police, sheriff's office, FBI, search and rescue, fire and rescue and search dogs as well as friends and family have combed the streets and many are still trying to make their way completely through the vast shrubbery and heavily wooded areas. With little to no leads in the search for Lindsey Baum -- even with the vast local media coverage that it has received -- the search is becoming more and more frustrating but the rescue teams still push on using the sheer determination of wanting to find this missing child. Media coverage has been exceptional, though those closest to Lindsey wish that it would have come, and will hopefully be beneficial to leads that will result in Lindsey's safe return home.

Snip from KaraK's article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1890148/lindsey_baum_10_missing_from_mccleary_pg2.html?cat=9




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 05:16:22 PM
Quote
The police, sheriff's office, FBI, search and rescue, fire and rescue and search dogs as well as friends and family have combed the streets and many are still trying to make their way completely through the vast shrubbery and heavily wooded areas. With little to no leads in the search for Lindsey Baum -- even with the vast local media coverage that it has received -- the search is becoming more and more frustrating but the rescue teams still push on using the sheer determination of wanting to find this missing child. Media coverage has been exceptional, though those closest to Lindsey wish that it would have come, and will hopefully be beneficial to leads that will result in Lindsey's safe return home.

Snip from KaraK's article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1890148/lindsey_baum_10_missing_from_mccleary_pg2.html?cat=9



Such torment  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 05:21:35 PM
They have issued a Code Amber News Service Alert for Lindsey - (CANS)
 http://is.gd/1inE0 
Thanks, I sure wish this would have happened sooner, but at least there is something. With this alert, will Lindsey's info be up on the freeways?

No, sadly. It puts out information over the Amber alert ticker on websites/desktops/widgets. From the site:
293,331 Web site tickers and 141,613 Desktop tickers have been downloaded.

Every little bit helps though. Haleigh has a CANS Alert too.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 05:26:41 PM
Search for girl expands
By Rachel Thomson & Steven Friederich - The Daily World
Monday, June 29, 2009 1:42 PM PDT
10-year-old Lindsey Baum has been missing since Friday night.

McCLEARY — The search intensified today for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum who has been missing since Friday night when she failed to return home from a friend’s home just four blocks away.

Search dogs were being used this morning in marshy areas surrounding McCleary, and other areas that have been more difficult to traverse during the past two days of intense searching. A National Guard helicopter was to arrive this morning to search the area. And on Sunday, FBI agents were stopping literally every car coming in and out of town, hoping to find a lead.

So far, nothing conclusive has been found.

“It’s really frustrating to have a child disappear from such a tight-knit community but we have no evidence pointing to anything (suspicious),” Undersheriff Rick Scott said this morning. “This may very well be a criminal investigation, but we can’t rule out the possibility she might be injured or missing somewhere.”

“I have hope. As long as I stay busy I can get through it,” her mother, Melissa Baum, said this morning, surrounded by family and friends at the McCleary home.

Scott said more local residents will be interviewed today to help develop a timeline of events as the search expands into the more remote areas, including forests, creeks and drainage ditches. There are 25 law enforcement officers from various agencies who are on foot assisting the search, and 45 volunteers and search and rescue experts.

The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children carried the young girl’s picture and information on its home page for a while Sunday. She was listed in the database this morning, carrying her physical description: 4 foot, nine inches tall, 80 pounds, Caucasian skin, brown hair, brown eyes. Last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

She was walking from her friend’s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m. She was reported missing by her mother at 10:50 p.m. Scott said Lindsey appeared normal before she left the friend’s house. She had only had a bit of a sibling argument with her brother earlier.
Anice Bommerscheim | For The Daily World Tim and Sonnya Crawford, who own Grays Harbor Veterinary Services in Montesano, used bloodhounds Sunday in the search for Lindsey Baum.


Yesterday evening, FBI agents and local law enforcement officials stopped vehicles coming in and out of McCleary asking if anyone had seen Lindsey. The key hour is 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. Anyone who might have been driving or walking around McCleary at that time is asked to phone in to (360) 533-8765 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

Police want to talk to anyone going through town at that time. Even people who don’t think they saw anything might know something relevant and it might come out when trained interviewers talk to them, Scott said.

People should not assume their information is unimportant, or that someone else may already have told police the same thing, Scott said.

Earlier Sunday, search and rescue teams went door to door and created maps of areas the 10-year-old girl might have been hiding or somehow found herself injured.

“Every one of these cases are different,” said Eric Rosenberg, spokesman for King County Search & Rescue, which was among the various agencies called in to help.

KOMO reports that searchers criss-crossed the town on Saturday three times and not even bloodhounds could pick up her scent.

No one in this town of 1,550 people is giving up hope that Lindsey will still be found alive.

“I’ve tried to keep the thought of somebody grabbing her out of my mind,” her mother, Melissa Baum told KOMO News  Sunday. “If somebody does have her, I wish they would just drop her off somewhere where she can get to a pay phone and call 911 or call home, so that we can come and get her,” she added, sobbing.

“We’re just trying to hang in there and not think about the worst,” Melissa Baum’s cousin Lori Kerr told The Daily World this morning.

Tami Koethe, a cashier at a neighborhood Shell Station, said local law enforcement reviewed video as part of the search.

Koethe has a pile of fliers with the little girl’s picture on it on the counter. She’s insisting anyone who comes in leave with one.

“It’s tense but we’re hopeful we’ll find her,” Koethe said. “She’s a happy little girl. Her family came in a lot.”

Downtown, businesses displayed her picture on their doors.

All day Sunday, just about anybody who could was out in the streets handing out fliers.

Scott said the FBI was called in because the federal agency has experience dealing with missing persons cases.

The girl’s father lives in Tennessee. Scott said law enforcement officials have been in contact with him, but he has had no recent contact with his daughter.

No Amber Alert has been initiated because no one saw anyone take her.

http://**/articles/2009/06/29/local_news/doc4a4922d27dd1d277472065.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 05:28:23 PM
They have issued a Code Amber News Service Alert for Lindsey - (CANS)
 http://is.gd/1inE0 
Thanks, I sure wish this would have happened sooner, but at least there is something. With this alert, will Lindsey's info be up on the freeways?

No, sadly. It puts out information over the Amber alert ticker on websites/desktops/widgets. From the site:
293,331 Web site tickers and 141,613 Desktop tickers have been downloaded.

Every little bit helps though. Haleigh has a CANS Alert too.
Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 05:30:22 PM
sorry for the long posts but I want to see who all lived between the friend's house and Lindsey's house so we can get an idea who she walked past.  She walked home from this friend's house "a lot" it says.  So someone along the way could have seen her more than this one time and have been watching for her.

those living on Maple Street

Universal Hair Design
114 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9663
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit- no phone numbers please
Company: Universal Hair Design
 


 •Mark Reed Hospital
114 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9663
(xxx) xxx-xxxx  Edit-No phone numbers please
Company: Mark Reed Hospital


 •Destiny Frahm
114 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9663
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please


 •Elizabeth A Fusselman
118 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9663
Household: Ted A Fusselman

 •Ted A Fusselman
118 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9663
Household: Elizabeth A Fusselman


 •Theresa D Palmer
119 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9663


 •Alona M Johnson
203 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9656
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please


 •Les H Sr Meadows Sr
211 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9656
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please


 •Kenneth S Strozyk
311 W Maple St
McCleary, WA
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please

•Lou A Strozyk
311 W Maple St
McCleary, WA
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Kenneth S Strozyk


 •Beehive Assisted Living Community
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit -No phone numbers please
Company: Beehive Assisted Living Community



 •Art Bergman
401 W Maple St, Apt 32
McCleary, WA 98557-9639
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please



 •Edna Birindelli
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxxEdit-No phone numbers please


 •Arlin Burbidge
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Norma Burbidge


 •Norma Burbidge
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Arlin Burbidge



 •Oscar K Burkard
401 W Maple St, Apt 63
McCleary, WA 98557-9640
(xxx) xxx-xxxxEdit-No phone numbers please


 •Alberta D Campbell
401 W Maple St, Apt 128
McCleary, WA 98557-9642
Household: Thomas Campbell

 •Thomas Campbell
401 W Maple St, Apt 128
McCleary, WA 98557-9642
Household: Alberta D Campbell


 •Carl Challstedt
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxxEdit-No phone numbers please


Phyllis Derline
401 W Maple St, Apt 68
McCleary, WA 98557-9640
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please


 •R Hamshar
401 W Maple St, Apt V3A
McCleary, WA 98557-9640
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please


 •Leslie Hyman
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Ruby E Hyman


 •Ruby E Hyman
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit- No phone numbers please
Household: Leslie Hyman

 •Evelyn Juroshek
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit - No phone numbers please


 •N E Lattin
401 W Maple St, Apt 115
McCleary, WA 98557-9641
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit - No phone numbers please


 •Frances Louthen
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit- No phone numbers please


 •Cassy Mikulski
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit- No phone numbers please
Household: M Mikulski


 •M Mikulski
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit- No phone numbers please
Household: Cassy Mikulski

 •Tracie Peterson
401 W Maple St, Apt 69
McCleary, WA 98557-9640
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please


Webb B Peterson
401 W Maple St, Apt 69
McCleary, WA 98557-9640
(xxx) xxx-xxxx  Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Tracie Peterson


 •Mildred Scheelke
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Jim H Scheelke


 •Marion Smith
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone number please
Household: Susan Smith


 •Susan Smith
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit- No phone numbers please
Household: Marion Smith


 •Maxine Snyder
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Richard Snyder


 •Richard Snyder
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
(xxx) xxx-xxxx Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Maxine Snyder


 •Jim H Stevens
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638

Household: Mildred Stevens


 •Francis Watters
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638

Household: Larry Watters


 •Larry Watters
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638

Household: Francis Watters


 •John F Wuthrich
401 W Maple St, Apt 67
McCleary, WA 98557-9640




Lois Wuthrich
401 W Maple St, Apt 67
McCleary, WA 98557-9640

Household: John F Wuthrich


 •Twyla H Bogar
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638


 •Jane Brisco
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



 •D C Butterfield
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



 •Dale D Dorning
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638




 •Helen M Fagan
401 W Maple St, Apt 62
McCleary, WA 98557-9640



 •Steve Fahrenwald
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638




 •Marjorie Farrar
401 W Maple St, Apt 65
McCleary, WA 98557-9640


Diana Foster
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
Job title: Branch Manager
Company: Beehive Management Group


 •Shirley C Graves
401 W Maple St, Apt 133
McCleary, WA 98557-9642


Vivian Gross
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638

Household: Carol Murphy



 •Nellie Harrison
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



 •Doris Hoffelt
401 W Maple St, Apt 126
McCleary, WA 98557-9642



 •Bill Hoffman
401 W Maple St, Apt 66
McCleary, WA 98557-9640



 •Richard Isaacson
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



 •Zepha Jenks
401 W Maple St, Apt 108
McCleary, WA 98557-9641


 •Marie King
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



 •Walter Kratcha
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



 •Kenneth J Lindstrom
401 W Maple St, Apt 122
McCleary, WA 98557-9641


 •T Lines
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



Barbara J Mcbride
401 W Maple St, Apt 132
McCleary, WA 98557-9642




 •Carol Murphy
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638

Household: Vivian Gross
 


 •Patricia N Nelson
401 W Maple St, Apt 73
McCleary, WA 98557-9640
 


 •Margaret Rygh
401 W Maple St, Apt 61
McCleary, WA 98557-9640


 •Dora Seaman
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638

 


 •Jack D Sharp
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



 •Janet Simms
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



Danny Tate
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
Household: Jack Tate, Waneeta Tate, Lyle J Tate

Jack Tate
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
Household: Danny Tate, Waneeta Tate, Lyle J Tate


Lyle J Tate
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
Household: Jack Tate, Danny Tate, Waneeta Tate


Waneeta Tate
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638
Household: Jack Tate, Danny Tate, Lyle J Tate


W Toyra
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638


 •Gordon Whitcomb
401 W Maple St, Apt 61
McCleary, WA 98557-9640



 •Ginger Williamson
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638



 •Constance Woolsey
401 W Maple St
McCleary, WA 98557-9638

 


 •Harold S Gibson
503 W Maple St
McCleary, WA

Household: Steve Gibson


 •Steve Gibson
503 W Maple St
McCleary, WA

Household: Harold S Gibson


 •Shelly R Garlic
513 W Maple St
McCleary, WA
 Edit to remove phone numbers.  MB


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 05:31:23 PM
Quote
Scott said the FBI was called in because the federal agency has experience dealing with missing persons cases.
They should have called them in right away. Clearly the small town police were overwhelmed and had no clue how to handle a missing person investigation.  jmo


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 05:31:40 PM
Maybe just me, but in all the articles it seems to mention the arguement with her brother, and I wonder why? Why is that unusual for her to have an arguement with a brother?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 05:33:25 PM
Thanks for that doubledecker. You are right someone could have been watching her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 05:40:09 PM
And these are the street on Mommsen, the street Lindsey lives on.  I have added only the ones she would have had to walk past

Susan J Strong
119 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9539
(360) edit - no phone numbers please

•Jeff Miller
131 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9539
(360) edit - no phone numbers please




 •Michael Poe
131 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9539
(360) edit - no phone numbers please



Lashelle Gore
301 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9542
Household: Robert A Gore, Lisa C Gore, Leeann Gore

Leeann Gore
301 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9542
Household: Robert A Gore, Lisa C Gore, Lashelle Gore

 

Lisa C Gore
301 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9542
Household: Robert A Gore, Lashelle Gore, Leeann Gore
 

Robert A Gorehome
301 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9542
Household: Lisa C Gore, Lashelle Gore, Leeann Gore



 •Sean Robles
315 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9542
Household: Terri Robles



 •Terri Robles
315 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9542
Household: Sean Robles


 •Dorinda Thein
319 E Mommsen St
McCleary, WA 98557-9542
(360) edit - no phone numbers please


Please do not post phone numbers.  We don't want anyone thinking that we approved of calling these people.  Thanks!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 05:41:46 PM
it looks like 401 maple is some huge apt complex, so no telling how many people are in and out of there. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 06:06:16 PM
I'm a little confused looking at the map.  When you blow up the google map really large, mommens turns into fir street, then into mommens again, when going east. 

also maple jogs down part of 3rd street, before cutting over to mommens.  so it is hard to tell who might live on that part of the street. 

now where the address for lindsey is (where it comes up on google map) it shows as being fir street when you blow up the map. 

I wish I knew if this is correct.  hmmm.  hard to tell just who all she had to walk past.  but I will do the best I can and if it is not correct I can change it.  better to have too many people she had to walk past than miss someone who might be someone needed to be checked on. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 06:10:27 PM
doubledecker thanks for your hard work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
Lindsey's friend's is approx 4 blocks from Lindsey's house, and is on MAPLE St.  I could not find the exact address so went to 4th street intersection.  It is probably closer than that as Maple runs into 3rd to jog over to Mommens. 
When you blow up the google map, 3rd shows as the old highway you see on this map(in yellow).  I don't know if you walk down the old highway or not, or if there is a parellel street which is 3rd. 

Memmons also turns into Fir Street then back into Memmons, but you don't see it on this map.  So this map might be a little bit off.  I will fix it later if we find out it in not exactly correct but this shows us basically where Lindsey was walking. 

I will use this map as a blank and keep adding anything we find of interest.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummap1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
on the part of 3rd street where lindsey would have to cut over from where maple ends and mommens begins, it appears this is about the 100'-150's addresses of that street.  There is nothing after the address of 140, until you get to the 300's.

I will list everything before the 300's start.  I notice the 100 block seems to be city offices, including one for the sheriff

K & H Maxwell
[undisclosed] 3rd & Main
McCleary, WA
(360)Edit - no phone numbers please
Company: K & H Maxwell


•Linda Aola
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Secretary
Company: City of Mccleary



 •Wallace Bentley
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Mayor
Company: City of Mccleary



 •George Crumb
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Sheriff
Company: City of Mccleary



 •Michael Devolio
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: President
Company: City of Mccleary


 •Mary Ghorngon
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Executive
 


 •Bob Hunt
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Administrator


 •Thelma Kruse
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Director


 •Michael Mucha
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Director
Company: City of Mccleary


 •Brian Shay
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please


Wallis Ventley
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Chief
Company: City of Mccleary



 •Shawn Ward
100 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: It/Internet Support
Company: City of Mccleary


 •Dyahcinna Rich
118 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652


 •Robert Goore
119 S Third St, Unit A
McCleary, WA
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Owner
Company: Mama Mias Take & Bake



 •Robert Gore
119 S Third St
McCleary, WA
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Owner
Company: Mama Mias Take & Bake



 •Yon Hacker
140 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Company: Sam's Food Mart



 •Mason Kim
140 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Company: Sam's Food Mart
 


 •Sam Lee
140 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Owner
Company: Sam's Food Mart
 


 •Sam Moon
140 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Owner
Company: Sam's Food Mart



 •Dan Nelson
140 S Third St
McCleary, WA 98557-9652
(360) Edit - no phone numbers please
Job title: Owner
Company: Sam's Food Mart


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2009, 06:46:46 PM
DD - I appreciate all your hard work but in the future, please omit the phone numbers OK?  TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 06:47:45 PM
I just ran all the names listed on 3rd through so's in grays harbor county, no matches. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 06:59:47 PM
DD - I appreciate all your hard work but in the future, please omit the phone numbers OK?  TIA

ok np ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 07:02:41 PM
I just ran(through grays harbor county so's) all the names I listed along lindsey's walk from maple 400 block and on mommens to her house.
no matches

anyone can think of anything needed to be looked up, let me know.  if I don't answer I'm over on the cantu threads.  but I will try to work on Lindsey's case for awhile here. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 07:39:54 PM
I have a very very very bad feeling abou this case, and I am not going to post what I am thinking right about now.  I think the answer is online.  I'm digging!  It's ugly!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 07:47:47 PM

Comment on the latest Lindsey Baum article on King5.com:
"Lets look at the truth guys. This little girl was abused by her brother. He has choked her till she passed out chased her with kitchen knives and shovles. The McCleary police was called on the incidents and they took her back home CPS didn't even do anything for poor Lindsey. And her mom didn't treat her much better."



I don't know how true this is. It could just be some troll spouting a bunch of crap, trying to stir up trouble. If it's true though, perhaps brother should be looked at again. Especially since it's mentioned in all the articles she and him were fighting that night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on June 29, 2009, 07:52:58 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 08:00:48 PM

Comment on the latest Lindsey Baum article on King5.com:
"Lets look at the truth guys. This little girl was abused by her brother. He has choked her till she passed out chased her with kitchen knives and shovles. The McCleary police was called on the incidents and they took her back home CPS didn't even do anything for poor Lindsey. And her mom didn't treat her much better."



I don't know how true this is. It could just be some troll spouting a bunch of crap, trying to stir up trouble. If it's true though, perhaps brother should be looked at again. Especially since it's mentioned in all the articles she and him were fighting that night.

can I have the link to that article comment page please


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 08:03:45 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


yes, and who is setting up all those sites for these young girls. The ones their families do "not" know about ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 08:06:05 PM

Comment on the latest Lindsey Baum article on King5.com:
"Lets look at the truth guys. This little girl was abused by her brother. He has choked her till she passed out chased her with kitchen knives and shovles. The McCleary police was called on the incidents and they took her back home CPS didn't even do anything for poor Lindsey. And her mom didn't treat her much better."



I don't know how true this is. It could just be some troll spouting a bunch of crap, trying to stir up trouble. If it's true though, perhaps brother should be looked at again. Especially since it's mentioned in all the articles she and him were fighting that night.

can I have the link to that article comment page please

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor



Edward, KaraK said on page 4 that it was a friend of Lindsey's that wrote on that "DISTURBED" myspace page of Lindsey's..."i'm on lindsey's mypsace cool" so I am guessing that friend has the password to that account and was on it.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
http://www.myspace.com/224168248
http://www.myspace.com/dtk6012
http://www.myspace.com/445914790
http://www.myspace.com/wickeddiva13
more more more


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 08:16:23 PM
lindsey's pic is all over the place on a LOT  of myspaces, even the people who don't know she has a myspace ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
http://www.myspace.com/224168248
http://www.myspace.com/dtk6012
http://www.myspace.com/445914790
http://www.myspace.com/wickeddiva13
more more more

fiesty is a friend of Lindsey's. She is using Lindsey's picture that was in the news as her avatar. That is why Lindsey's picture is on those myspaces.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 08:33:02 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


yes, and who is setting up all those sites for these young girls. The ones their families do "not" know about ::MonkeyRoll::

dd - the young girls are setting them up themselves, 10 year olds know more than most adults do when it comes to computers nowadays. They lie about their age, as most sites require you be 13 to sign up, they set them up at friend's house (who's parents may not notice or care) they set them up at school or at the public library.
 
They find a way.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2009, 08:40:12 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


yes, and who is setting up all those sites for these young girls. The ones their families do "not" know about ::MonkeyRoll::

dd - the young girls are setting them up themselves, 10 year olds know more than most adults do when it comes to computers nowadays. They lie about their age, as most sites require you be 13 to sign up, they set them up at friend's house (who's parents may not notice or care) they set them up at school or at the public library.
 
They find a way.

I am not naive to what 10 yr olds CAN do or WILL do.  I just believe in this instance it is something way more than that.  just my opinion.  I won't say any more about what I think, and probably have said to much already, but I sure hope the feds are checking this out, that girl's pic is floating all over out there and anyone with half a brain ends up with her name and address.  A predator's heaven!!! grrr.  heck it is even over on a trucker site.  how nice


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


yes, and who is setting up all those sites for these young girls. The ones their families do "not" know about ::MonkeyRoll::

dd - the young girls are setting them up themselves, 10 year olds know more than most adults do when it comes to computers nowadays. They lie about their age, as most sites require you be 13 to sign up, they set them up at friend's house (who's parents may not notice or care) they set them up at school or at the public library.
 
They find a way.

I am not naive to what 10 yr olds CAN do or WILL do.  I just believe in this instance it is something way more than that.  just my opinion.  I won't say any more about what I think, and probably have said to much already, but I sure hope the feds are checking this out, that girl's pic is floating all over out there and anyone with half a brain ends up with her name and address.  A predator's heaven!!! grrr.  heck it is even over on a trucker site.  how nice
I don't understand, I guess I'm naive, did she put her picture all over, or someone else  ::MonkeyNoNo:: None of this makes sense, but I will say I got a horrible feeling come over me yesterday when I saw the myspace page with the shepherd on it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2009, 08:51:27 PM
I would like to know more about the brother, how old he is and who his friends are.  I'd also like to know what he did that will put him in Juvi.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 09:00:29 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


yes, and who is setting up all those sites for these young girls. The ones their families do "not" know about ::MonkeyRoll::

dd - the young girls are setting them up themselves, 10 year olds know more than most adults do when it comes to computers nowadays. They lie about their age, as most sites require you be 13 to sign up, they set them up at friend's house (who's parents may not notice or care) they set them up at school or at the public library.
 
They find a way.

I am not naive to what 10 yr olds CAN do or WILL do.  I just believe in this instance it is something way more than that.  just my opinion.  I won't say any more about what I think, and probably have said to much already, but I sure hope the feds are checking this out, that girl's pic is floating all over out there and anyone with half a brain ends up with her name and address.  A predator's heaven!!! grrr.  heck it is even over on a trucker site.  how nice
I don't understand, I guess I'm naive, did she put her picture all over, or someone else  ::MonkeyNoNo:: None of this makes sense, but I will say I got a horrible feeling come over me yesterday when I saw the myspace page with the shepherd on it.

feisty, one of Lindsey's little friends...changed her avatar picture to Lindsey's picture. Much like mine at facebook, is Nevaeh's.

So anyone feisty is friends with....friends, family, Lindsey's picture is popping up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 09:01:50 PM
I would like to know more about the brother, how old he is and who his friends are.  I'd also like to know what he did that will put him in Juvi.

I would like to know that too, klaas. Perhaps if KaraK comes back, she can answer that question for us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


yes, and who is setting up all those sites for these young girls. The ones their families do "not" know about ::MonkeyRoll::

dd - the young girls are setting them up themselves, 10 year olds know more than most adults do when it comes to computers nowadays. They lie about their age, as most sites require you be 13 to sign up, they set them up at friend's house (who's parents may not notice or care) they set them up at school or at the public library.
 
They find a way.

I am not naive to what 10 yr olds CAN do or WILL do.  I just believe in this instance it is something way more than that.  just my opinion.  I won't say any more about what I think, and probably have said to much already, but I sure hope the feds are checking this out, that girl's pic is floating all over out there and anyone with half a brain ends up with her name and address.  A predator's heaven!!! grrr.  heck it is even over on a trucker site.  how nice
I don't understand, I guess I'm naive, did she put her picture all over, or someone else  ::MonkeyNoNo:: None of this makes sense, but I will say I got a horrible feeling come over me yesterday when I saw the myspace page with the shepherd on it.

I did too, which is why I am glad FBI and LE are aware of both of her myspace pages.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 09:09:05 PM
I would like to know more about the brother, how old he is and who his friends are.  I'd also like to know what he did that will put him in Juvi.
Me too, and the weird thing is, I haven't seen one thing about him. The only thing in the articles is that she had an arguement with him, I still say that is odd to put in an article. And now with that comment about he was hurting her, of course, if that is true.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 09:11:07 PM
VIDEO: Search Expands For Missing Washington Girl
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19894315/index.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2009, 09:11:47 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


yes, and who is setting up all those sites for these young girls. The ones their families do "not" know about ::MonkeyRoll::

dd - the young girls are setting them up themselves, 10 year olds know more than most adults do when it comes to computers nowadays. They lie about their age, as most sites require you be 13 to sign up, they set them up at friend's house (who's parents may not notice or care) they set them up at school or at the public library.
 
They find a way.

I am not naive to what 10 yr olds CAN do or WILL do.  I just believe in this instance it is something way more than that.  just my opinion.  I won't say any more about what I think, and probably have said to much already, but I sure hope the feds are checking this out, that girl's pic is floating all over out there and anyone with half a brain ends up with her name and address.  A predator's heaven!!! grrr.  heck it is even over on a trucker site.  how nice
I don't understand, I guess I'm naive, did she put her picture all over, or someone else  ::MonkeyNoNo:: None of this makes sense, but I will say I got a horrible feeling come over me yesterday when I saw the myspace page with the shepherd on it.

feisty, one of Lindsey's little friends...changed her avatar picture to Lindsey's picture. Much like mine at facebook, is Nevaeh's.

So anyone feisty is friends with....friends, family, Lindsey's picture is popping up.
Thank-you, I see. I know she is only ten, but could she have an older boyfriend, and she is with him, I doubt it, but anything is possible.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 29, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
I had that feeling ...  LE better figure out who updated her web page..


yes, and who is setting up all those sites for these young girls. The ones their families do "not" know about ::MonkeyRoll::

dd - the young girls are setting them up themselves, 10 year olds know more than most adults do when it comes to computers nowadays. They lie about their age, as most sites require you be 13 to sign up, they set them up at friend's house (who's parents may not notice or care) they set them up at school or at the public library.
 
They find a way.

I am not naive to what 10 yr olds CAN do or WILL do.  I just believe in this instance it is something way more than that.  just my opinion.  I won't say any more about what I think, and probably have said to much already, but I sure hope the feds are checking this out, that girl's pic is floating all over out there and anyone with half a brain ends up with her name and address.  A predator's heaven!!! grrr.  heck it is even over on a trucker site.  how nice
I don't understand, I guess I'm naive, did she put her picture all over, or someone else  ::MonkeyNoNo:: None of this makes sense, but I will say I got a horrible feeling come over me yesterday when I saw the myspace page with the shepherd on it.

feisty, one of Lindsey's little friends...changed her avatar picture to Lindsey's picture. Much like mine at facebook, is Nevaeh's.

So anyone feisty is friends with....friends, family, Lindsey's picture is popping up.
Thank-you, I see. I know she is only ten, but could she have an older boyfriend, and she is with him, I doubt it, but anything is possible.

::wide eyes:: I guess anything IS possible. I hope she is safe, somewhere. I hope they find her or she decides to come home or call if she is out there.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on June 29, 2009, 09:50:37 PM
I would as well like to know more about the brother.   If the comments on the other site are even close to accurate than he is a troubled sole.  IF he has acted out with previous physical aggression towards Lindsey than there is a possibility that the fight they had could be key to the events which took place as she was walking home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2009, 11:58:53 PM
checking on news....Did anything come about with why the dogs didn't pick up a scent? If she walked to the home there would be that scent right? so no matter whay there would be a scent to and/or from the homes? So besides LE withholding information which is very possible, why would this happen?

Did someone watch Lindsey walk away? I didn't read that, but could have missed it. It always amazes me how a person can just vanish into thin air.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 12:56:52 AM
I live a three hour drive north of Seattle in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.  At 9:30 PM tonight ... the sun had set.  There is not way a ten year old child should be on the streets alone ... at any time of the day but ... at night.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

In Canada it is illegal to leave children under the age of thirteen years without adult supervision in any situation.  My grandson is 11 years of age ... his brother is 9 years old  and ... both these boys have never has he been in a situation ... an environment where a care-giver is not within calling range.

We are not talking about a teenager where the reins have to been let out to some extent.  We are talking about a child whose every action should have been monitored.

I know that two mothers are hurting terribly ... I am not heartless but ... at the moment my heart goes out to a little girl who was allowed to walk the streets at 9:15 at night and ... had no way to defend herself against the danger that lurks.

Sincerely, Janet.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 05:23:25 AM
Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009

MCCLEARY – Police in this community of about 1,500 had no leads Monday on what happened to 10-year-old Lindsey Baum after she left her friend’s house on Maple Street by herself Friday evening to walk about a half-mile to her home on Mommsen Road.

On the third day of a massive search for the girl, a National Guard helicopter and a team of about 20 search-and-rescue officials, including dog teams, scoured the town. Members of the Thurston County Sheriff’s Dive Team also joined the search, looking in creeks and ponds, to no avail.

The mother of Lindsey’s 10-year-old best friend said Lindsey’s disappearance hasn’t really sunk in for her daughter.

“I don’t think she quite understands the seriousness of it,” said Kara Kempen on Monday in front of her home.

The last person to see Lindsey was a resident driving through town who saw her walking on Maple Street between Fifth and Sixth streets around 9:15 p.m. – about the halfway point between the two homes, Scott said. People said light was waning but the sun hadn’t gone down.

Lindsey was wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans. Investigators have reviewed surveillance video from the downtown Shell Station that Lindsey would have walked by on the way to Mommsen Road, but it turned up nothing, Scott said. Detectives are waiting for additional video surveillance from local businesses.

LOOKING BACK

Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.

Kempen said her daughter Michaela had spent Friday with Lindsey and a group of other girls, swimming at a friend’s pool before they returned to the home on Maple Street. Kempen said her daughter and Lindsey were “almost inseparable” and loved to spend time together talking about “10-year-old girl stuff, boys and music, school occasionally.”

Kempen described Lindsey as a “chatterbox.” “She’s very, very talkative,” Kempen said. “One of those girls who only takes a breath when she absolutely has to.”

Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

Cunningham called Lindsey “a smart little girl.”

“I just don’t see her willingly getting in a stranger’s car,” Cunningham said. “She’s too smart for that.”

WHAT’S NEXT

Sgt. Jim Dunn of the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office said Monday afternoon that there are still bodies of water that the dive team has not checked, including swamps southwest of town.

Scott said 25 law enforcement officers, including the agents from Seattle, were participating in the investigation.

Scott said investigators can’t rule out the possibility that Baum was abducted, or that she may have simply run off. He said investigators are desperately trying to find information that can narrow their search. “We don’t have a most-likely scenario at this point,” he said.

SEARCH SO FAR

At the command center Monday at the McCleary Police Department, a binder of mugshots belonging to Grays Harbor sex offenders was earmarked with pieces of paper to show offenders with a registered address in McCleary. A sheet of citizen interviews from a neighborhood canvass was stacked on the counter.

Scott said investigators are still following up by interviewing not only sex offenders who live in town, but transient sex offenders and offenders who have connections to McCleary. So far none of those interviews has yielded any concrete leads, he said.

Investigators have taken Lindsey’s computer into evidence, Scott added. Police have checked her MySpace page and the phone numbers she dialed and received on her cell phone without finding any new leads, he said.

A search of Lindsey’s MySpace page showed only the typical postings of a 10-year-old girl, things that showed her affinity for the movie “Twilight,” Scott said.

“Lindsey’s a very outgoing, very independent girl,” Scott said. “She’s socially active in her peer group.”

Scott said detectives have contacted Lindsey’s father in Tennesee, and there are no custodial issues between him and Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum. There is no reason to believe he had anything to do with Lindsey’s disappearance, Scott said.

Lindsey turns 11 on July 7, Scott said.

Police did not issue an Amber Alert for Lindsey after her mother reported her missing at 10:50 p.m. Friday, Scott said. Scott said an Amber Alert wasn’t issued because police had – and still have – no evidence that she was abducted.

The search for Lindsey continues today, Scott said. “We’ve been working everybody until the early evenings to the point of exhaustion,” Scott added.

Scott said “there hasn’t been a case like this for years anywhere in the county.”

Melissa Fulton, a McCleary hair stylist, said many local residents feel comfortable letting their children play outside or ride bikes around town until dark.

Said Cunningham at the DVD rental store, “I think that’s changed today. As of now I just think everybody’s had the biggest rude awakening of their lives.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 07:56:18 AM
VIDEO: Search Expands For Missing Washington Girl
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19894315/index.html
Yikes,in part of this video with the searchers walking.....is part of this route the route Lindsey would have walked?Looks really woodsy and rural.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 08:09:30 AM
Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009

MCCLEARY – Police in this community of about 1,500 had no leads Monday on what happened to 10-year-old Lindsey Baum after she left her friend’s house on Maple Street by herself Friday evening to walk about a half-mile to her home on Mommsen Road.

On the third day of a massive search for the girl, a National Guard helicopter and a team of about 20 search-and-rescue officials, including dog teams, scoured the town. Members of the Thurston County Sheriff’s Dive Team also joined the search, looking in creeks and ponds, to no avail.

The mother of Lindsey’s 10-year-old best friend said Lindsey’s disappearance hasn’t really sunk in for her daughter.

“I don’t think she quite understands the seriousness of it,” said Kara Kempen on Monday in front of her home.

The last person to see Lindsey was a resident driving through town who saw her walking on Maple Street between Fifth and Sixth streets around 9:15 p.m. – about the halfway point between the two homes, Scott said. People said light was waning but the sun hadn’t gone down.

Lindsey was wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans. Investigators have reviewed surveillance video from the downtown Shell Station that Lindsey would have walked by on the way to Mommsen Road, but it turned up nothing, Scott said. Detectives are waiting for additional video surveillance from local businesses.

LOOKING BACK

Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.

Kempen said her daughter Michaela had spent Friday with Lindsey and a group of other girls, swimming at a friend’s pool before they returned to the home on Maple Street. Kempen said her daughter and Lindsey were “almost inseparable” and loved to spend time together talking about “10-year-old girl stuff, boys and music, school occasionally.”

Kempen described Lindsey as a “chatterbox.” “She’s very, very talkative,” Kempen said. “One of those girls who only takes a breath when she absolutely has to.”

Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

Cunningham called Lindsey “a smart little girl.”

“I just don’t see her willingly getting in a stranger’s car,” Cunningham said. “She’s too smart for that.”

WHAT’S NEXT

Sgt. Jim Dunn of the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office said Monday afternoon that there are still bodies of water that the dive team has not checked, including swamps southwest of town.

Scott said 25 law enforcement officers, including the agents from Seattle, were participating in the investigation.

Scott said investigators can’t rule out the possibility that Baum was abducted, or that she may have simply run off. He said investigators are desperately trying to find information that can narrow their search. “We don’t have a most-likely scenario at this point,” he said.

SEARCH SO FAR

At the command center Monday at the McCleary Police Department, a binder of mugshots belonging to Grays Harbor sex offenders was earmarked with pieces of paper to show offenders with a registered address in McCleary. A sheet of citizen interviews from a neighborhood canvass was stacked on the counter.

Scott said investigators are still following up by interviewing not only sex offenders who live in town, but transient sex offenders and offenders who have connections to McCleary. So far none of those interviews has yielded any concrete leads, he said.

Investigators have taken Lindsey’s computer into evidence, Scott added. Police have checked her MySpace page and the phone numbers she dialed and received on her cell phone without finding any new leads, he said.

A search of Lindsey’s MySpace page showed only the typical postings of a 10-year-old girl, things that showed her affinity for the movie “Twilight,” Scott said.

“Lindsey’s a very outgoing, very independent girl,” Scott said. “She’s socially active in her peer group.”

Scott said detectives have contacted Lindsey’s father in Tennesee, and there are no custodial issues between him and Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum. There is no reason to believe he had anything to do with Lindsey’s disappearance, Scott said.

Lindsey turns 11 on July 7, Scott said.

Police did not issue an Amber Alert for Lindsey after her mother reported her missing at 10:50 p.m. Friday, Scott said. Scott said an Amber Alert wasn’t issued because police had – and still have – no evidence that she was abducted.

The search for Lindsey continues today, Scott said. “We’ve been working everybody until the early evenings to the point of exhaustion,” Scott added.

Scott said “there hasn’t been a case like this for years anywhere in the county.”

Melissa Fulton, a McCleary hair stylist, said many local residents feel comfortable letting their children play outside or ride bikes around town until dark.

Said Cunningham at the DVD rental store, “I think that’s changed today. As of now I just think everybody’s had the biggest rude awakening of their lives.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


2 things that bother me
1)I have read different reports about the brother.....he was walking her home from friends house,they argued and he left her walking alone.
Brother was walking her to the friends house,they argued and he left her walking alone.Now they argued earlier and brother left the house before Lindsey left to go to friends house.
2)Why did Mom wait until 10:50 pm to report Lindsey missing?
I have a few other questions but won't post them yet but this one bothers me a lot.I would think if Lindsey wasn't home by 9:30 pm at the latest......they would have alerted police sooner....anyway,it's almost as if 10 year old Lindsey was allowed to walk the streets until 9-10-11 at night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 08:11:47 AM
VIDEO: Search Expands For Missing Washington Girl
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19894315/index.html
Yikes,in part of this video with the searchers walking.....is part of this route the route Lindsey would have walked?Looks really woodsy and rural.

There is a map a page or two back. Her walk was pretty residential with a few businesses she may have passed. However, there is a lot of wooded areas, ponds, creeks, marshes, around the area.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 08:12:11 AM
I am not good with maps but I know there are Monkeys here who are.Can someone do a Google map(birds eye view)of the route Lindsey would have walked and post a link to it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 08:14:08 AM
VIDEO: Search Expands For Missing Washington Girl
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19894315/index.html
Yikes,in part of this video with the searchers walking.....is part of this route the route Lindsey would have walked?Looks really woodsy and rural.

There is a map a page or two back. Her walk was pretty residential with a few businesses she may have passed. However, there is a lot of wooded areas, ponds, creeks, marshes, around the area.
Thank you Pink
Do you know her address and the friends house address?I'd like to look at a birds eye view of her route....like a road view.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 08:16:59 AM
VIDEO: Search Expands For Missing Washington Girl
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19894315/index.html
Yikes,in part of this video with the searchers walking.....is part of this route the route Lindsey would have walked?Looks really woodsy and rural.

There is a map a page or two back. Her walk was pretty residential with a few businesses she may have passed. However, there is a lot of wooded areas, ponds, creeks, marshes, around the area.
Also in the last article posted they mentioned a security camera at a Shell station(?)they checked and no sign of her on that.Some articles say a friend/friends walked her part way home.I am wondering if anyone walked her part way home,where did they stop walking her and where is this Shell station on her route.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 08:17:04 AM
Lindsey's friend's is approx 4 blocks from Lindsey's house, and is on MAPLE St.  I could not find the exact address so went to 4th street intersection.  It is probably closer than that as Maple runs into 3rd to jog over to Mommens. 
When you blow up the google map, 3rd shows as the old highway you see on this map(in yellow).  I don't know if you walk down the old highway or not, or if there is a parellel street which is 3rd. 

Memmons also turns into Fir Street then back into Memmons, but you don't see it on this map.  So this map might be a little bit off.  I will fix it later if we find out it in not exactly correct but this shows us basically where Lindsey was walking. 

I will use this map as a blank and keep adding anything we find of interest.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummap1.jpg)

BUMPING MAP FOR KARMA.


It was still light there at 9:15. The sun was just starting to set. Kara, Lindsey's friends mom.....posted here on page four. IIRC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 08:21:09 AM
Lindsey's friend's is approx 4 blocks from Lindsey's house, and is on MAPLE St.  I could not find the exact address so went to 4th street intersection.  It is probably closer than that as Maple runs into 3rd to jog over to Mommens. 
When you blow up the google map, 3rd shows as the old highway you see on this map(in yellow).  I don't know if you walk down the old highway or not, or if there is a parellel street which is 3rd. 

Memmons also turns into Fir Street then back into Memmons, but you don't see it on this map.  So this map might be a little bit off.  I will fix it later if we find out it in not exactly correct but this shows us basically where Lindsey was walking. 

I will use this map as a blank and keep adding anything we find of interest.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummap1.jpg)

BUMPING MAP FOR KARMA.


It was still light there at 9:15. The sun was just starting to set. Kara, Lindsey's friends mom.....posted here on page four. IIRC
Thanks Pink
I saw that earlier and saw where Kara posted.I was hoping for more of a real street view of the route....I'll try to find one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 08:31:45 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=maple+st.,+mccleary,+wa&sll=47.055183,-123.266344&sspn=0.013917,0.038581&ie=UTF8&ll=47.054102,-123.266344&spn=0.006959,0.01929&t=h&z=16

She was walking four block on Maple ST to Mommsen ST


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 09:04:53 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=maple+st.,+mccleary,+wa&sll=47.055183,-123.266344&sspn=0.013917,0.038581&ie=UTF8&ll=47.054102,-123.266344&spn=0.006959,0.01929&t=h&z=16

She was walking four block on Maple ST to Mommsen ST
Thank you Pink
That's the same map I just looked at but it won't give me a birds eye view....but I can still see her route pretty good.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 09:07:25 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=maple+st.,+mccleary,+wa&sll=47.055183,-123.266344&sspn=0.013917,0.038581&ie=UTF8&ll=47.054102,-123.266344&spn=0.006959,0.01929&t=h&z=16

She was walking four block on Maple ST to Mommsen ST
Thank you Pink
That's the same map I just looked at but it won't give me a birds eye view....but I can still see her route pretty good.
Also I read earlier in this thread that she would have walked by a hospital but on the map the hospital is actually behind her house on Mommsen,in the opposite direction of her walk.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 09:19:14 AM
I'll try and post this map and hope I don't blow the margins.....the red star is Lindsey's home,I don't know how far she had to walk on Maple.There is also a big park she would have to past before reaching home.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 09:22:06 AM
I'll try and post this map and hope I don't blow the margins.....the red star is Lindsey's home,I don't know how far she had to walk on Maple.There is also a big park she would have to past before reaching home.




OK,yikes,that didn't work well.....here's a street view map below....
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Mccleary%2C+Grays+Harbor&state=WA&address=319+E+Mommsen+St+&zipcode=98557#a/maps/l::319+E+Mommsen+St:McCleary:WA:98557-9542:US:47.055683:-123.262305:address:Grays+Harbor+County:1/m:hyb:12:47.055683:-123.262322:0:::::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 09:30:23 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

I was just listening to the Seattle News (KIRO/KING?)  A surveillance video from a service station that Lindsey would have walked by on her way home was checked ... no Lindsey.  Apparently other surveillance videos from establishments along the route are now in the process of being viewed.

Janet
6:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 09:35:55 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

I was just listening to the Seattle News (KIRO/KING?)  A surveillance video from a service station that Lindsey would have walked by on her way home was checked ... no Lindsey.  Apparently other surveillance videos from establishments along the route are now in the process of being viewed.

Janet
6:30 AM PT
Thanks. And again in another article mention of a fight with her brother. (Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 09:42:17 AM
Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009

<snipped>

A search of Lindsey’s MySpace page showed only the typical postings of a 10-year-old girl, things that showed her affinity for the movie “Twilight,” Scott said.

<snipped>

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html




 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Twilight - Final Trailer  PG13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjNDE2fMjI


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 30, 2009, 09:53:33 AM
I read in one of the articles that Lindsey would never get into a strangers car cause she is too smart for that...I thought of the tv programs that I have seen with children willingly going off with a perfect stranger in search of the strangers puppy even though they had been warned time and time again not to ever go with strangers for any reason...mind you this was an experimental tv program but it proved a valuable point..children are by nature trusting and want to be helpful to adults, not all children of course...but it only takes that one child to make the mistake..
hope that Lindsey is found safe...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2009, 09:53:53 AM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19886572/detail.html

(http://www.kirotv.com/2009/0629/19891255_240X152.jpg)
Mother Believes Missing Daughter Was Abducted
Posted: 3:10 pm PDT June 28, 2009
Updated: 6:35 pm PDT June 29, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The mother of a missing 10-year-old girl said she believes her daughter was abducted when she walked home last Friday night.

A National Guard helicopter joined the search Monday for Lindsey Baum who vanished when she was in downtown McCleary between 8:30 p.m. and 10 p.m. Friday, while walking home from a friend’s house.

“Each hour that goes by, I am starting to get more and more panicky,” said Baum’s mother, Melissa Baum.

 
 

Lindsey wanted to spend the night at a friend’s house about six blocks from her own home, but her friend’s mother, Kara Kampen, told her no.

“I told her no you can't spend the night. If I had said yes you can stay the night, she'd be home now,” Kampen said.

Investigators monitored Lindsey Baum’s MySpace page for any clues but said the account has been inactive since she vanished and she left no posts indicating she was planning to leave.

"There was nothing that indicated any preplanned intention for her to run away or go anywhere," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

Searching the Wildcat Creeks on Monday, the Thurston County Sheriff's Office dive team didn’t find any signs of the missing girl. Other officers took the contents out of Dumpsters making sure nothing goes unsearched.

"With the time that's passed now, it doesn't look good," Scott said.

Searchers said the route Lindsey would have taken from her friend's home to her own home is short and direct. Police said the girl was unlikely to get lost.

“We're convinced somebody took her," Melissa Baum said.

Scott said his department is not yet ready to conclude that Lindsey was abducted because there is no evidence to indicate that's what occurred.

On Sunday, police and FBI stopped cars traveling through town hoping to find anyone who may have seen something.

Police said the key to finding the 10-year-old girl may lie with anyone who saw the girl as she walked home in the small town of McCleary.

“I know she's alive. I know some people are thinking I'm crazy, but I feel it in my heart that she is still alive,” Baum said.

Volunteers have been handing out fliers to motorists and circulating them throughout the county. Search and rescue teams will still search throughout Monday night and continue to knock on doors.

Anyone with information should call the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office at 1-866-915-8299. Or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 30, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
every parents nightmare...

thanks for the article Klaas...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 09:56:45 AM
Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009

Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html



Not one of my daughter's children (6-11) have their own cell phone and ... neither do their friends.  They are children.  Parents or designated caregivers are alway within calling/hearing range.

I agree with Scott in regards to sibling squabbling.  However ... considering Lindsey is missing it should be an avenue of investigation. 

How old is Linsey's brother?  I wonder if he appeared on the service station urveillance video?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 10:01:14 AM
Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009

Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html



Not one of my daughter's children (6-11) have their own cell phone and ... neither do their friends.  They are children.  Parents or designated caregivers are alway within calling/hearing range.

I agree with Scott in regards to sibling squabbling.  However ... considering Lindsey is missing it should be an avenue of investigation. 

How old is Linsey's brother?  I wonder if he appeared on the service station urveillance video?

Janet


They have yet to mention how old the brother is. He is older than her and not old enough to drive. So somewhere between 11-15.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 10:06:47 AM
I read in one of the articles that Lindsey would never get into a strangers car cause she is too smart for that...I thought of the tv programs that I have seen with children willingly going off with a perfect stranger in search of the strangers puppy even though they had been warned time and time again not to ever go with strangers for any reason...mind you this was an experimental tv program but it proved a valuable point..children are by nature trusting and want to be helpful to adults, not all children of course...but it only takes that one child to make the mistake..
hope that Lindsey is found safe...


cookie

I saw that program too.  Parents who insisted there was no way their children would go off with a stranger were shock how easily their children could be lured into a vehicle with a stranger.

Children cannot be expected/trusted to make mature decisions regarding their well-being in potentially dangerious situations.  This is why adult supervision ... for their protection ... is where it is at.

Janet   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: MuffyBee on June 30, 2009, 10:06:52 AM
A few comments regarding previous posts:

As far as the walking home at night contrary to what many think at the time Lindsey went missing it was still quite light out side as has been attested to by local police.

The bottom picture of Kayla - No that is not a mattress on the floor it is a pillow and the pic was taken at a girlfriends house when they were hanging out watching movies.

As for Lindsey's Myspace it was a kid (a friend) of Lindsey's that wrote the "I'm on Lindsey's myspace that is cool" as for the mood that is not what everyone appears to think it is it had been set to that previously in reference to a water war the kids all had. So nothing funny there.

Both girls are not suppose to be accessing Myspace but as of yet that is one site that has not been blocked from all public library computers or all of their friends homes.

- Lastly, I believe the basis of this forum is suppose to be supportive not trying to throw blame but instead provide support and to also discuss ways of trying to get the missing home safely. I understand sometimes trying to dig out information and hopefully leads and ideas means sometimes hitting where it hurts but please remember that above all else - There Is a Child Missing

It was my house that she left and no one can change the fact that I did not walk her home regardless of how light it was outside and that guilt eats me alive and haunts me every minute that ticks by. I wish it would have been dark out when she left because then I would have walked her home and we would not be here right now. If I could change things I would in a heartbeat but I can't now. As for Lindsey's mom she does not have a car but when she did Lindsey never had to walk home in the dark and she wouldn't, her mom was always right there to pick her up. What ifs do nothing more then make a tough situation more difficult for those of us who love Lindsey and they won't help bring her home...

What if...
One of the 2000 McCleary residents would have been outside and seen her
I had walked her home
I had let her stay the night
someone close had a car
it was one minute earlier/later
it was five minutes later/earlier
it was dark outside when she left
she had been walking with someone
police would have been patrolling that area
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
she had remembered to bring her phone
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed



Bumping this up for those that may not have seen it when posted earlier.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 10:11:07 AM
Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009

<snipped>

A search of Lindsey’s MySpace page showed only the typical postings of a 10-year-old girl, things that showed her affinity for the movie “Twilight,” Scott said.

<snipped>

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html




 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Twilight - Final Trailer  PG13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjNDE2fMjI

I saw Twilight among a theater filled of 10-13 year old girls. The first movie and book was pretty tame. It wasn't any scarier than a Harry Potter movie and the only "sex" was cuddling with clothes on and a kiss or two.

The series gets more dark, scary and more sexy as it goes on. Books 2, 3 and 4.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 10:16:56 AM
Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009

Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html



Not one of my daughter's children (6-11) have their own cell phone and ... neither do their friends.  They are children.  Parents or designated caregivers are alway within calling/hearing range.

I agree with Scott in regards to sibling squabbling.  However ... considering Lindsey is missing it should be an avenue of investigation. 

How old is Linsey's brother?  I wonder if he appeared on the service station urveillance video?

Janet

I am so glad my kids are in their twenties. The unfortunate thing is kids just don't stay kids very long. All the neighbor kids have cell phones, except one, who I over heard begging her mom for one, her mom said no. And as far as movies go, such as Twilight or others that may not be suitable, even if you say no, they go to a friends and watch. I found out years later everything I told my two girls no you can't see such and such, they had over at a friends. So even with best intentions, kids find a way. Very scary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 10:20:21 AM
Thanks Muffy. I look back and think, even with supervision and best intentions bad things happen. I feel so bad for everyone, and again, a lot of people get a false sense of security, I know I did when my girls were growing up for awhile we lived in a small town, where I grew up, and you get a mind set that you are safe.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 30, 2009, 10:20:37 AM
I really think that it is coming to the point where all of us will want to have GPS systems on our children. I think that it would be an awesome tool to keep track of our kids...Yes, we might be constantly watching our kids while in our care..But what happens when the child is visiting with other kids and perhaps the mother or caregiver turns her back for a minute to care for another child? and the unspeakable happens...a stranger lurking grabs one of the kids and takes off.....now with the GPS, the child can be tracked...
I have looked into GPS systems for my grand daughter ...she can't be watched every minute no matter how hard everyone tries...she goes to school, she goes to birthday parties...she has a life that is very social and not always with a family member...it is very scary that the world has come to GPS ing innocent children...but I feel that it has!
I am not opposed to young children having a cell phone I guess for this reason alone...a phone where the child can only call certain numbers or 911 if needed...would also have a tracking system on the phone...in this case, Lindsey didn't take her phone with her...sigh...
all just my opinions on the above...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 10:22:14 AM
I read in one of the articles that Lindsey would never get into a strangers car cause she is too smart for that...I thought of the tv programs that I have seen with children willingly going off with a perfect stranger in search of the strangers puppy even though they had been warned time and time again not to ever go with strangers for any reason...mind you this was an experimental tv program but it proved a valuable point..children are by nature trusting and want to be helpful to adults, not all children of course...but it only takes that one child to make the mistake..
hope that Lindsey is found safe...


cookie

I saw that program too.  Parents who insisted there was no way their children would go off with a stranger were shock how easily their children could be lured into a vehicle with a stranger.

Children cannot be expected/trusted to make mature decisions regarding their well-being in potentially dangerious situations.  This is why adult supervision ... for their protection ... is where it is at.

Janet   


I agree Janet but I also think, you can't watch and protect your child 24 hours a day, that's why it's important that educate and train your child how to react and protect themselves for those moments. There are safety programs out there that teach children what lures sickos will use to try and lure them, they do a lot of role play on what kids should do and how to react in different situations. They also teach them good and bad touch, how even someone you know can hurt you, physical abuse, school violence and bullying...and what to do in those situations. It's important to educate and empower our children. Every little bit helps.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 10:34:34 AM
cookie, GPS and cellphones, safety programs, are all good tools.

None of them are fool proof. Cellphones go dead or get lost or can be tossed should an abductor discover it. GPS bracelets or shoes can easily be removed and tossed. A kidnapper can snatch a kid from behind, never having a chance to react or scream.

They are all good tools. Like I said every little bit helps.

I think a lot of parents have a false sense of security with giving their kids cellphones. A cellphone is good way to keep in touch or keep tabs but they are not foolproof.


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 10:38:52 AM
Janet - this is her best friend Kayla's myspace.  Kayla is around the same age as Lindsey.  I've blurred out Kayla's face some but is that a matteress on the floor?  Can you imagine a 10yr old child with a photo like that on Myspace?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KaylaMyspace-1.jpg)

BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 10:43:03 AM
Search ramps up for McCleary girl

07:10 AM PDT on Tuesday, June 30, 2009

By KING Staff Reports

Video: Community on guard after girl goes missing
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McCLEARY, Wash. - Authorities in Grays Harbor county are ramping up efforts to find a 10-year-old Western Washington girl missing since last week.

Washington State Patrol plans to utilize a fixed wing airplane with a camera to aid in the search for Lindsey Baum, last seen 9:15 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's house to walk home in McCleary.

Crews plan to focus their air search on rural areas of McCleary where kids have been known to play. The camera will be able to take live and infrared pictures of the brushy area.

Grays Harbor sheriff's deputies viewed surveillance video from a Shell gas station, where Lindsey would have walked past on her way home, but police found no signs of her.

Residents still hold out hope for the 10-year-old girl. Two communities will hold vigils for Lindsey Tuesday night. One starts at 9:00 p.m. at the 10th Street Ballpark in Elma. The other starts at 9:30 p.m. at the main park in McCleary across from the police station.

Video

Missing since Friday

Raw SkyKING video of search area

Several agencies have joined the search for Lindsey Baum. Over the weekend, FBI agents stopped every car driving through the main part of town to question people. On Monday, Air National Guard helicopters searched the town and the woods surrounding McCleary, and divers searched creeks and ponds.

On Tuesday, Washington State Patrol crews plan to bring in search dogs and their search and rescue teams.

Investigators do not know if Baum's disappearance is an abduction or if she ran away. They have not found any evidence to rule anything out.

"It's very frustrating," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott.

McCleary is small, with a population of only about 1,500 people. Most people know each other, so Lindsay's mom Melissa finds it hard to believe her daughter is still close by.

"I don't think she's in McCleary. I truly... if she is still here in McCleary, I don't think it's good," she said.

Police say they need help from anyone who saw anything suspicious in or around McCleary Friday night.

"It's really important that individual realizes that they may be the one person who saw something, that to them was totally worthless, but to us is very important," said Scott.

Police urging someone to come forward is what Lindsey's mother asked for when she spoke with KING 5 News Sunday night.

"What if it was your son, or daughter, or your niece, or your nephew or mother that was missing, and there was no trace of what had happened to them, and what if I knew where there were or what if I knew some information and what if I didn't go forward and say something," she said.

Lindsey's father lives in Tennessee. He's been in touch with police and is not considered a suspect.

Police have ruled out all family members as suspects.

Anyone with information is asked to call the hotline that has been set up. The number is 1-866-915-8299.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 30, 2009, 10:56:51 AM
cookie, GPS and cellphones, safety programs, are all good tools.

None of them are fool proof. Cellphones go dead or get lost or can be tossed should an abductor discover it. GPS bracelets or shoes can easily be removed and tossed. A kidnapper can snatch a kid from behind, never having a chance to react or scream.

They are all good tools. Like I said every little bit helps.

I think a lot of parents have a false sense of security with giving their kids cellphones. A cellphone is good way to keep in touch or keep tabs but they are not foolproof.

agreed...all good tools...but nothing is foolproof that is for sure!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
If a missing ten year old little girl does not warrant an immediate Amber Alert  ... there is something very wrong.

Checking vehicles leaving the area 48 hours later is not acceptable.  I know the FBI have now been called in on the investigation but ... why ... in the process of elimination .. were surveillance videos of establishments on Lindsey's route home not viewed immediately?  This was discussed on the KIRO/KING(?) this morning

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 11:12:34 AM
If a missing ten year old little girl does not warrant an immediate Amber Alert  ... there is something very wrong.

Checking vehicles leaving the area 48 hours later is not acceptable.  I know the FBI have now been called in on the investigation but ... why ... in the process of elimination .. were surveillance videos of establishments on Lindsey's route home not viewed immediately?  This was discussed on the KIRO/KING(?) this morning

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Agreed Janet. On all points.

It's a small town, small LE force, not much crime. I don't think they have ever handled a missing child case other than the occasional late teen or a runaway, who shows up in a couple hours at a friend's house.

Unfortunately they are learning at Lindsey's expense.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 11:17:24 AM
If a missing ten year old little girl does not warrant an immediate Amber Alert  ... there is something very wrong.

Checking vehicles leaving the area 48 hours later is not acceptable.  I know the FBI have now been called in on the investigation but ... why ... in the process of elimination .. were surveillance videos of establishments on Lindsey's route home not viewed immediately?  This was discussed on the KIRO/KING(?) this morning

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Agreed Janet. On all points.

It's a small town, small LE force, not much crime. I don't think they have ever handled a missing child case other than the occasional late teen or a runaway, who shows up in a couple hours at a friend's house.

Unfortunately they are learning at Lindsey's expense.
Very unfortunate, very. And that myspace most certainly does not look like one of a ten year old.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 30, 2009, 11:34:21 AM
fox news live..Lindsey's mom is going to be on in a few minutes...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 12:34:05 PM
I read in one of the articles that Lindsey would never get into a strangers car cause she is too smart for that...I thought of the tv programs that I have seen with children willingly going off with a perfect stranger in search of the strangers puppy even though they had been warned time and time again not to ever go with strangers for any reason...mind you this was an experimental tv program but it proved a valuable point..children are by nature trusting and want to be helpful to adults, not all children of course...but it only takes that one child to make the mistake..
hope that Lindsey is found safe...


cookie

I saw that program too.  Parents who insisted there was no way their children would go off with a stranger were shock how easily their children could be lured into a vehicle with a stranger.

Children cannot be expected/trusted to make mature decisions regarding their well-being in potentially dangerious situations.  This is why adult supervision ... for their protection ... is where it is at.

Janet   


I agree Janet but I also think, you can't watch and protect your child 24 hours a day, that's why it's important that educate and train your child how to react and protect themselves for those moments. There are safety programs out there that teach children what lures sickos will use to try and lure them, they do a lot of role play on what kids should do and how to react in different situations. They also teach them good and bad touch, how even someone you know can hurt you, physical abuse, school violence and bullying...and what to do in those situations. It's important to educate and empower our children. Every little bit helps.


I agree.  The unforeseen dictates.  Bad things do happen.

However ... parents do have the God-given responsibility to do their outmost to protect their children from the dangers that lurk ... through both education and supervision.  When a child is ten years old ... parents and designated caregivers have that ability but ... there has to be a will.

Ten year old children are taught to swim.  However ... that does not imply they should be afforded the "adult"  priviledge of swimming in a body of water without supervision.

Ten year old children are taught to access the computer responsibly.  However ... that does not imply that they should be afforded the "adult" priviledge of accessing and creating sites of their choosing without supervision/guidance.

Ten year old children go to movies and they rent movies.  However ... that does not imply that they are afforded the "adult" priviledge of unsupervised choosing of movies that are not rated in accordance to their age.


1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.


The following list was compiled for a newsletter by a former neighbour who did not suspect that his 12 year old daughter was communicating with a 21 year old sex offender on an online chat.  After all he "trusted" her.  This child was "in love".  Thankfully ... somewhere along the line ... his wife became aware ... LE became involved and ... "control" for daughter and her younger siblings is where it is at.

Janet

++++++++
 
CHILDREN AND THE COMPUTER

1.  Place computer in a central location in the home.
2.  Create blocks.
3.  Establish and follow through with consequences for chosing to disregard expectations/boundaries.
4.  Check history/cookies daily.
5.  Check expectations/boundaries of friends' parents.
6.  Protect computer access with a password when supervision is not available.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on June 30, 2009, 01:14:08 PM
1 Corinthians 13:11 (New International Version)

 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.



1 Corinthians 13:11



Paul is saying that youth (children) exhibit characteristics that define them as different from adults, and that those characteristics must be cast aside before one is really an adult. These characteristics are not just signs of youth, but are signs of immaturity at any age. However, this world is constantly pressuring and convincing the youth to believe that they are more mature than they actually are. Currently, the number one and two causes of teenage death are accidents and suicide. This demonstrates that mentally, emotionally, and morally, teens are unable to handle the pressures of adulthood, and that they crash before ever reaching it.

http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/28677/eVerseID/28677

Anyways..
Take it for what ever you perceive it to be, what ever light shines down on you, and from what ever faith you may have.. Even if that is only believing in yourself
::MonkeyWink::

jmho



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 01:27:37 PM
1 Corinthians 13:11 (New International Version)

 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.



1 Corinthians 13:11



Paul is saying that youth (children) exhibit characteristics that define them as different from adults, and that those characteristics must be cast aside before one is really an adult. These characteristics are not just signs of youth, but are signs of immaturity at any age. However, this world is constantly pressuring and convincing the youth to believe that they are more mature than they actually are. Currently, the number one and two causes of teenage death are accidents and suicide. This demonstrates that mentally, emotionally, and morally, teens are unable to handle the pressures of adulthood, and that they crash before ever reaching it.

http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/28677/eVerseID/28677

Anyways..
Take it for what ever you perceive it to be, what ever light shines down on you, and from what ever faith you may have.. Even if that is only believing in yourself
::MonkeyWink::

jmho



Edward

Thank you.

The quotation may be taken from Scripture and ... that is why I believe it but ... from my perspective it is just good old common sense.

There is little that my five grandkids (3-11)  are denied that they desire if it is not considered "illegal or immoral" by their parents' definition but ... there are definitely guidance, boundaries and expectation that go along with all those priviledges.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 01:29:50 PM
fox news live..Lindsey's mom is going to be on in a few minutes...

cookie

Has Lindsey's mother spoken yet?  I accessed FOXNEWS.com but ... could not find anything.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on June 30, 2009, 01:50:39 PM
The mother of a 10-year-old Washington state girl who vanished over the weekend pleaded for those who might have seen anything out of the ordinary to come forward.

Lindsey Baum was last seen walking home from a friend's house Friday night, about six blocks away from her home in the tiny town of McCleary.

Her mother, Melissa Baum, said on FOX News Tuesday that "if anyone has seen or heard anything — any little thing that they saw and thought, hmm, that's kind of odd," they should call police immediately.

FBI agents have joined the hunt for Lindsey, of Grays Harbor County.

"They have informed me that they are expanding the search," Melissa Baum told FOX. "At this point, it's being treated as an abduction."

Lindsey has been upset over her parents' ongoing divorce and may have run away.

Baum said the child's father was 3,000 miles away when she disappeared.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said authorities canvassed the city Saturday and Sunday but didn't find any clues.

He said there's no evidence of foul play, but his agency is "beginning to investigate with that possibility in mind."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529582,00.html

was She was feeling sick about going home.. ?
Afraid of her brother.?
mo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on June 30, 2009, 01:56:11 PM
Anyone local know what route #108 (Old Olympic Highway) traffic patterns are like?  Is it a street with stop lights or more like a highway? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on June 30, 2009, 02:10:19 PM
Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on June 30, 2009, 02:12:51 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 02:15:10 PM
A few comments regarding previous posts:

As far as the walking home at night contrary to what many think at the time Lindsey went missing it was still quite light out side as has been attested to by local police.

The bottom picture of Kayla - No that is not a mattress on the floor it is a pillow and the pic was taken at a girlfriends house when they were hanging out watching movies.

As for Lindsey's Myspace it was a kid (a friend) of Lindsey's that wrote the "I'm on Lindsey's myspace that is cool" as for the mood that is not what everyone appears to think it is it had been set to that previously in reference to a water war the kids all had. So nothing funny there.

Both girls are not suppose to be accessing Myspace but as of yet that is one site that has not been blocked from all public library computers or all of their friends homes.
- Lastly, I believe the basis of this forum is suppose to be supportive not trying to throw blame but instead provide support and to also discuss ways of trying to get the missing home safely. I understand sometimes trying to dig out information and hopefully leads and ideas means sometimes hitting where it hurts but please remember that above all else - There Is a Child Missing

It was my house that she left and no one can change the fact that I did not walk her home regardless of how light it was outside and that guilt eats me alive and haunts me every minute that ticks by. I wish it would have been dark out when she left because then I would have walked her home and we would not be here right now. If I could change things I would in a heartbeat but I can't now. As for Lindsey's mom she does not have a car but when she did Lindsey never had to walk home in the dark and she wouldn't, her mom was always right there to pick her up. What ifs do nothing more then make a tough situation more difficult for those of us who love Lindsey and they won't help bring her home...

What if...
One of the 2000 McCleary residents would have been outside and seen her
I had walked her home
I had let her stay the night
someone close had a car
it was one minute earlier/later
it was five minutes later/earlier
it was dark outside when she left
she had been walking with someone
police would have been patrolling that area
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
she had remembered to bring her phone
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed



Bumping this up for those that may not have seen it when posted earlier.
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here,honestly but Kara states that both girls were not supposed to be accessing MySpace,that they still did it thru the library and some of thier homes yet....it looks to me like Lindsey herself was posting comments on Kara's own MySpace page months ago?
Again,I'm not trying to start trouble for anyone but that doesn't make sense to me so I think I'll just keep quiet and see what happens.I hope they do find Lindsey safe very soon,she is in my prayers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 02:23:26 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1
It is hard to imagine that someone didn't see something.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on June 30, 2009, 02:24:24 PM
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here,honestly but Kara states that both girls were not supposed to be accessing MySpace,that they still did it thru the library and some of thier homes yet....it looks to me like Lindsey herself was posting comments on Kara's own MySpace page months ago?
Again,I'm not trying to start trouble for anyone but that doesn't make sense to me so I think I'll just keep quiet and see what happens.I hope they do find Lindsey safe very soon,she is in my prayers.
I saw that too Karma.  Would like to hear more from KaraK but since the FBI is involved, they probably put a stop to that?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 02:37:45 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1

Thank you Edward

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 03:32:07 PM
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here,honestly but Kara states that both girls were not supposed to be accessing MySpace,that they still did it thru the library and some of thier homes yet....it looks to me like Lindsey herself was posting comments on Kara's own MySpace page months ago?
Again,I'm not trying to start trouble for anyone but that doesn't make sense to me so I think I'll just keep quiet and see what happens.I hope they do find Lindsey safe very soon,she is in my prayers.
I saw that too Karma.  Would like to hear more from KaraK but since the FBI is involved, they probably put a stop to that?
I would think so right?Anyway...... :X


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 03:43:43 PM

Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009

It was a route Lindsey Baum had taken many times -- a 10-minute walk down a densely populated suburban street between her house and a friend's.

But on Friday evening, the McCleary, Wash., 10-year-old left her friend's house for home and disappeared somewhere along the way.

"I think somebody took her," Melissa Baum said of her daughter, who was ready to enter the sixth-grade in the fall. "I'm trying to constantly push away the bad thoughts."

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said search efforts have escalated in the days since Lindsey's been missing from volunteers on foot -- still the most common tactic used -- to scent dogs, horses, ATVs and helicopters.

"We're not ready to give up hope," Scott told ABCNews.com.

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

She began calling Lindsey's cell phone, only to find that her daughter had left it plugged into the charger. Initially thinking that her daughter must have met up with friends in the neighborhood, Baum set out on foot to find her daughter.

But there was no sign of her. Eventually, her friend's parents joined the search by car. Baum even let her daughter's beloved German shepherd Kadence off leash in hopes the dog would help find her. Finally, around 10:45 p.m., Baum said she called police.

Baum described her daughter as outgoing, talkative and mature for her age. She loved to read and write and had big plans for her future.

"She insisted when she grows up she's going to be an author and an illustrator and a veterinarian," Baum said.

Police Search With Dogs, Check in on Sex Offenders

Scott said that, with the FBI's expertise with missing children, authorities have been conducting a simultaneous search and rescue operation with a criminal investigation, hoping to find leads.

The latter includes checking up on the resident and transient sex offenders in McCleary and neighboring communities and reviewing surveillance videos.

Scott said that there are a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have gotten clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

Authorities had initially looked at the case as a possible runaway, but Scott admitted that "it's becoming less likely as time goes on."

Baum said she knows her daughter would not run away. She had been upset about her parents finalizing their divorce back in April, but had known it was coming, Baum said.

And Lindsey knew better than to go somewhere with a stranger -- it was something they had talked about previously.

"I think she's alive," Baum said. "I really and truly feel that strongly in my heart."

Baum said she and Lindsey had been planning to celebrate her upcoming July 7 birthday by going with a group of friends to the new "Harry Potter" movie a few days later.

Instead, the family is now trying to cope with a life without Lindsey in it. Baum said her son Josh is racked by guilt that he argued with his sister and left her to visit her friend on her own. And even Kadence is suffering the loss of a friend, refusing to eat normally.

Baum said she's baffled that no one has reported seeing anything the night Lindsey disappeared, unusual since the street she took home is continuously lined with homes.

"If we can find her," she said, "we can work through anything."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=1


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on June 30, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
Thanks Pink Angel!

Interesting comment by Melissa:

"If we can find her," she said, "we can work through anything."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 03:48:55 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1
It is hard to imagine that someone didn't see something.

no rose colored glasses

When you are not looking for anything suspicious ... then it is easy for something that should be suspicious not to register.

If Lindsey was not calling attention to herself ... if Lindsey was unknowingly abducted by someone known to her ...

The following despicable incidence involved a father of the friend of the little girl who was victimized.

Janet

++++++++

6-Year-Old Girl Escapes Would-Be Rapist While Held In Leg Shackles
Monday, June 29, 2009


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529330,00.html


Man held in attempted rape

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/06/30/whdh.girl.attempted.rape.whdh




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 03:59:35 PM
McCleary’s still searching
By Steven Friederich - The Daily World
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:49 AM PDT

The mother of a 10-year-old who has been missing since Friday night says she believes her daughter is alive, but she has come to believe that someone took the girl and that she is no longer in the McCleary area.

“I don’t think she’s in McCleary. I don’t,” said Melissa Baum, mother of 10-year-old Lindsey Baum. “Why would they keep her in McCleary? Whoever took her, went on the freeway. There are three ways to get out of McCleary and all three ways there are freeways within five or 10 minutes.”

But Melissa Baum’s hope remains strong. “I think she’s still alive. I feel it in my heart that she’s alive,” the mother said. “I’m just trying really hard not to focus on the other things so I don’t fall apart. Because I know in my heart she’s still alive. But every hour that goes by, I just keep getting more and more anxious because how much time do we have left? …

“And I just wish, I’m begging whoever had her will take her to a gas station or a grocery store or a restaurant where she can go to a pay phone and call 911 and say ‘I’m Lindsey Baum’ so we can trace her and find her. Just let her go. Give her a chance. Let her come home.”

As the intense search for the girl entered its fourth day this morning, Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott says the evidence is pointing more and more to an abduction scenario, but he has no proof one way or another and will not call off the continuing search of hard-to-get-to brush and waterways.

“The search continues this morning,” he said.

A Thurston County dive team was called in yesterday to search creeks and swamps. They’ll be back this morning. A National Guard helicopter took high-resolution aerial photos, which were being examined in great detail this morning. A State Patrol airplane was to begin helping this morning.

 More FBI agents also arrived Thursday to help with the search.



Tonight, two candlelight vigils are scheduled. At 9 p.m., a vigil will be held at the 10th Street Ballpark in Elma. A second “candlelight community prayer gathering” will be at 9:30 p.m. tonight at Beerbower Park in McCleary.

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

Scott said detectives have received one key tip. Shortly before the girl disappeared, there was a sighting of her by a neighbor who was heading to work.

Lindsey was leaving a friend’s house about four blocks away between 9 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. Friday, traveling from Maple Street to Mommsen Road. Scott said a neighbor spotted her “two-thirds of the way home,” still on Maple Street.

“We have her coming back from the residence alone consistent with the friend and friend’s family,” Scott said. “We cannot put her to the main street here or to the street in front of her house.  This wasn’t somebody who said she saw someone who looks like (Lindsey) or might have been; she was very confident it was Lindsey because she knew her and was on her way to work.”

The “main street” is South 3rd Street and it is a busy thoroughfare near City Hall, connecting to freeways in multiple directions. The police station is within sight of the intersection.  The street requires a crosswalk and pedestrian control walking signals. On Friday, the streets were lighted. The sun was still out.

There is a Shell gas station at the intersection and a bus station with a bench that looked like it was in regular use at least on Monday. Scott said video surveillance at the Shell station are being reviewed.

If anyone was waiting to board a bus between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m., buying something at a local business or driving through the City of McCleary at that time, they should call the tip line immediately. Someone might have seen a car of interest and not even known what they saw until asked questions by investigators, Scott said.

The free tip line is 866-915-8299 or e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

“She wasn’t intentionally supposed to be alone,” Melissa Baum said. “She was with a friend and was supposed to come back together. And it was a fluke because normally she would have her cell phone with her. She takes her cell phone everywhere.”

But the cell phone battery was dead and she plugged it in five minutes before leaving.

Scott said investigators have gone door to door and are looking for everyone who may have been home along Maple Street and Mommsen Road. Even if neighbors weren’t home, Scott said he wants to know where they were.

Scott said investigators have touched base or are touching base with the half dozen or so registered sex offenders in the McCleary area.

“We’re not just looking for the sex offenders who live in the City of McCleary but those sex offenders considered transient and have not provided a permanent address and those who have ties to east Grays Harbor,” he said.

Investigators have searched Lindsey’s computer, her e-mail and MySpace pages but have found nothing suspicious and no messages that she intended to run away.

Investigators combed cell phone records and have found nothing.

“We’re ready and waiting,” Scott said. “We just need that specific information that will point us in the right direction. Absent that evidence we’re just having to be comprehensive throughout. We’re having to look at it as a missing, lost or runaway child. But we’re also having to now focus that this may be a worst case scenario with a predator or someone with a predatory motive.”

Just about everyone who could was out on the streets of McCleary or in the hills calling Lindsey’s name.

Stephanie Ross of Aberdeen plastered a poster with Lindsey’s face on the back of her black shirt and spelled out her name in giant letters on the front.

“I have a 13 year old daughter and if this happened with her I would hope the community would come out and do what they could to find her,” Ross said.

Julie Culbert, of Aberdeen, said she had wanted to volunteer to help find Lindsey. When she wasn’t needed, she went “out into the boonies” on her own.

“We’ve been out through all of the hills, the logging roads, we’ve been out, way out there,” Culbert said.

Just about any tip was being accepted. A bus driver with Grays Harbor Transit stopped by the operations center to mention a suspicious vehicle he had seen.

Dan Simmons of Elma stopped by to give a tip that he saw a girl who looked like Lindsey in Costco. He wasn’t sure exactly.

“But it’s been on my mind ever since,” Simmons said.

Scott said he’s not sure how many unofficial searchers there are, but he’s sure there are plenty.

In Aberdeen, at the new Backstage Espresso store on I Street, signs of Lindsey are on the door. At the historic Courthouse in Montesano, there are signs with her photo. All over McCleary, the signs dominate, with volunteers stopped people in traffic handing out fliers.

Scott said his official search team consists of 25 to 30 law enforcement officers and 45 search and rescue experts with German shepherds, blood hounds, dive tanks and special gear.

At this point, Melissa Baum said she’s so desperate for information that she’s turning to a psychic for answers.

“The psychic knows my aunt and wanted to help,” Baum said.

Lindsey turns 11 years old on July 7. The whole family wants her home for her birthday.

“This isn’t supposed to happen to me,” Baum said. “This doesn’t happen. I know it’s not my fault. But I feel guilty. Why didn’t I automatically go with her? My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument. But it all falls on the person who took her.”

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on June 30, 2009, 04:02:59 PM
"My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument."

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt

That answers one of the questions...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 04:03:43 PM
Thanks Pink Angel!

Interesting comment by Melissa:

"If we can find her," she said, "we can work through anything."
I thought so also  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 04:05:37 PM
Thanks Pink Angel!

Interesting comment by Melissa:

"If we can find her," she said, "we can work through anything."
I thought so also  ::MonkeyEek::

I read that to mean that if Lindsey was a runaway and came home, that they could work through it. jmo


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 04:06:24 PM
"My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument."

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt

That answers one of the questions...
It sure does, and if that is true about juvie, he is very young.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 04:20:09 PM
"My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument."

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt

That answers one of the questions...
It sure does, and if that is true about juvie, he is very young.

I agree.

Last night I questioned an 11 year old son ... of longtime neighbours ... when he came to the door collecting lap pledges in regard to the swim team he is on.  His father was waiting for him at the bottom of the driveway.  Out of curiosity ... considering he has three older siblings ... I questioned him if he knew of anybody in "juvie".  He did not have a clue what I was talking about ... what the terminology implied.

Monkeys ... it appears that the lifestyle in our small close-knit community does not reflect the relaxed lifestyle in McCleary, Washington.  That may be the reason I am not comprehending this entire situation.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
"My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument."

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt

That answers one of the questions...
It sure does, and if that is true about juvie, he is very young.

I agree.

Last night I questioned an 11 year old son ... of longtime neighbours ... when he came to the door collecting lap pledges in regard to the swim team he is on.  His father was waiting for him at the bottom of the driveway.  Out of curiosity ... considering he has three older siblings ... I questioned him if he knew of anybody in "juvie".  He did not have a clue what I was talking about ... what the terminology implied.

Monkeys ... it appears that the lifestyle in our small close-knit community does not reflect the relaxed lifestyle in McCleary, Washington.  That may be the reason I am not comprehending this entire situation.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I have never known anyone in juvie either, and have no idea the age, I thought this boy was very young for such a thing, but I really don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 04:39:08 PM
A few comments regarding previous posts:

As far as the walking home at night contrary to what many think at the time Lindsey went missing it was still quite light out side as has been attested to by local police.

The bottom picture of Kayla - No that is not a mattress on the floor it is a pillow and the pic was taken at a girlfriends house when they were hanging out watching movies.

As for Lindsey's Myspace it was a kid (a friend) of Lindsey's that wrote the "I'm on Lindsey's myspace that is cool" as for the mood that is not what everyone appears to think it is it had been set to that previously in reference to a water war the kids all had. So nothing funny there.

Both girls are not suppose to be accessing Myspace but as of yet that is one site that has not been blocked from all public library computers or all of their friends homes.
- Lastly, I believe the basis of this forum is suppose to be supportive not trying to throw blame but instead provide support and to also discuss ways of trying to get the missing home safely. I understand sometimes trying to dig out information and hopefully leads and ideas means sometimes hitting where it hurts but please remember that above all else - There Is a Child Missing

It was my house that she left and no one can change the fact that I did not walk her home regardless of how light it was outside and that guilt eats me alive and haunts me every minute that ticks by. I wish it would have been dark out when she left because then I would have walked her home and we would not be here right now. If I could change things I would in a heartbeat but I can't now. As for Lindsey's mom she does not have a car but when she did Lindsey never had to walk home in the dark and she wouldn't, her mom was always right there to pick her up. What ifs do nothing more then make a tough situation more difficult for those of us who love Lindsey and they won't help bring her home...

What if...
One of the 2000 McCleary residents would have been outside and seen her
I had walked her home
I had let her stay the night
someone close had a car
it was one minute earlier/later
it was five minutes later/earlier
it was dark outside when she left
she had been walking with someone
police would have been patrolling that area
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
she had remembered to bring her phone
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed



Bumping this up for those that may not have seen it when posted earlier.
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here,honestly but Kara states that both girls were not supposed to be accessing MySpace,that they still did it thru the library and some of thier homes yet....it looks to me like Lindsey herself was posting comments on Kara's own MySpace page months ago?
Again,I'm not trying to start trouble for anyone but that doesn't make sense to me so I think I'll just keep quiet and see what happens.I hope they do find Lindsey safe very soon,she is in my prayers.

this is the very same thing I noticed right off too.  they are "friends" on the very myspaces belonging to the people who say the girls are not suppose to be on there and no one knew about it.  I too just decided to be quiet until someone else "got it".  thanks.  should we just be quiet about what we are finding?  because it is not going over well?  I am really wonderig, do I just sit and say nothing about what I think because it might not go over very well?  or should I just say it?  ugh. 

sorrry but I see what I see.  glad you posted that, I don't feel so awful about thinking the same thing now. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: canadianmonkey on June 30, 2009, 04:44:04 PM
Has anyone found anything to confirm that her brother WAS going to juvie?  Sometimes younger sisters just wish for things like that, but in reality it's not.

Are we sure that the brother was being abusive towards his sister or was it just sibling fighting?

I get a bad feeling about this as well, but I think we should reserve judgement until we have a few more facts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: canadianmonkey on June 30, 2009, 04:50:34 PM
A few comments regarding previous posts:

As far as the walking home at night contrary to what many think at the time Lindsey went missing it was still quite light out side as has been attested to by local police.

The bottom picture of Kayla - No that is not a mattress on the floor it is a pillow and the pic was taken at a girlfriends house when they were hanging out watching movies.

As for Lindsey's Myspace it was a kid (a friend) of Lindsey's that wrote the "I'm on Lindsey's myspace that is cool" as for the mood that is not what everyone appears to think it is it had been set to that previously in reference to a water war the kids all had. So nothing funny there.

Both girls are not suppose to be accessing Myspace but as of yet that is one site that has not been blocked from all public library computers or all of their friends homes.
- Lastly, I believe the basis of this forum is suppose to be supportive not trying to throw blame but instead provide support and to also discuss ways of trying to get the missing home safely. I understand sometimes trying to dig out information and hopefully leads and ideas means sometimes hitting where it hurts but please remember that above all else - There Is a Child Missing

It was my house that she left and no one can change the fact that I did not walk her home regardless of how light it was outside and that guilt eats me alive and haunts me every minute that ticks by. I wish it would have been dark out when she left because then I would have walked her home and we would not be here right now. If I could change things I would in a heartbeat but I can't now. As for Lindsey's mom she does not have a car but when she did Lindsey never had to walk home in the dark and she wouldn't, her mom was always right there to pick her up. What ifs do nothing more then make a tough situation more difficult for those of us who love Lindsey and they won't help bring her home...

What if...
One of the 2000 McCleary residents would have been outside and seen her
I had walked her home
I had let her stay the night
someone close had a car
it was one minute earlier/later
it was five minutes later/earlier
it was dark outside when she left
she had been walking with someone
police would have been patrolling that area
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
she had remembered to bring her phone
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed



Bumping this up for those that may not have seen it when posted earlier.
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here,honestly but Kara states that both girls were not supposed to be accessing MySpace,that they still did it thru the library and some of thier homes yet....it looks to me like Lindsey herself was posting comments on Kara's own MySpace page months ago?
Again,I'm not trying to start trouble for anyone but that doesn't make sense to me so I think I'll just keep quiet and see what happens.I hope they do find Lindsey safe very soon,she is in my prayers.

this is the very same thing I noticed right off too.  they are "friends" on the very myspaces belonging to the people who say the girls are not suppose to be on there and no one knew about it.  I too just decided to be quiet until someone else "got it".  thanks.  should we just be quiet about what we are finding?  because it is not going over well?  I am really wonderig, do I just sit and say nothing about what I think because it might not go over very well?  or should I just say it?  ugh. 

sorrry but I see what I see.  glad you posted that, I don't feel so awful about thinking the same thing now. 

Doubledecker, you should post what you are finding.  Facts are facts.  From what I could see Lindsey was posting on Kara's site.  Perhaps the girls were supposed to only be going on familys sites...I don't know...after all the nasty things said about the mother of Victoria Stafford, I'm alot more hesitant to point fingers and say nasty things.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 05:08:08 PM
A few comments regarding previous posts:

As far as the walking home at night contrary to what many think at the time Lindsey went missing it was still quite light out side as has been attested to by local police.

The bottom picture of Kayla - No that is not a mattress on the floor it is a pillow and the pic was taken at a girlfriends house when they were hanging out watching movies.

As for Lindsey's Myspace it was a kid (a friend) of Lindsey's that wrote the "I'm on Lindsey's myspace that is cool" as for the mood that is not what everyone appears to think it is it had been set to that previously in reference to a water war the kids all had. So nothing funny there.

Both girls are not suppose to be accessing Myspace but as of yet that is one site that has not been blocked from all public library computers or all of their friends homes.
- Lastly, I believe the basis of this forum is suppose to be supportive not trying to throw blame but instead provide support and to also discuss ways of trying to get the missing home safely. I understand sometimes trying to dig out information and hopefully leads and ideas means sometimes hitting where it hurts but please remember that above all else - There Is a Child Missing

It was my house that she left and no one can change the fact that I did not walk her home regardless of how light it was outside and that guilt eats me alive and haunts me every minute that ticks by. I wish it would have been dark out when she left because then I would have walked her home and we would not be here right now. If I could change things I would in a heartbeat but I can't now. As for Lindsey's mom she does not have a car but when she did Lindsey never had to walk home in the dark and she wouldn't, her mom was always right there to pick her up. What ifs do nothing more then make a tough situation more difficult for those of us who love Lindsey and they won't help bring her home...

What if...
One of the 2000 McCleary residents would have been outside and seen her
I had walked her home
I had let her stay the night
someone close had a car
it was one minute earlier/later
it was five minutes later/earlier
it was dark outside when she left
she had been walking with someone
police would have been patrolling that area
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
she had remembered to bring her phone
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed



Bumping this up for those that may not have seen it when posted earlier.
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here,honestly but Kara states that both girls were not supposed to be accessing MySpace,that they still did it thru the library and some of thier homes yet....it looks to me like Lindsey herself was posting comments on Kara's own MySpace page months ago?
Again,I'm not trying to start trouble for anyone but that doesn't make sense to me so I think I'll just keep quiet and see what happens.I hope they do find Lindsey safe very soon,she is in my prayers.

this is the very same thing I noticed right off too.  they are "friends" on the very myspaces belonging to the people who say the girls are not suppose to be on there and no one knew about it.  I too just decided to be quiet until someone else "got it".  thanks.  should we just be quiet about what we are finding?  because it is not going over well?  I am really wonderig, do I just sit and say nothing about what I think because it might not go over very well?  or should I just say it?  ugh. 

sorrry but I see what I see.  glad you posted that, I don't feel so awful about thinking the same thing now. 

I noticed that too and bit my tongue. I am reassured by what the police said in the article I posted on the page before:

Quote
Investigators have searched Lindsey’s computer, her e-mail and MySpace pages but have found nothing suspicious and no messages that she intended to run away.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
Has anyone found anything to confirm that her brother WAS going to juvie?  Sometimes younger sisters just wish for things like that, but in reality it's not.

Are we sure that the brother was being abusive towards his sister or was it just sibling fighting?

I get a bad feeling about this as well, but I think we should reserve judgement until we have a few more facts.

It said in the article a page or two back that a neighbor saw them arguing and sent the brother on his way. The argument took place on the way to the friends house.

Nothing has been said about the brother and juvie. Other than the mention on Lindsey's myspace.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 05:15:31 PM
I am in no way trying to be nasty or to "blame" anyone for mistakes they might make in thier lives; God knows I have made plenty of my own and I was never a saint by any means.  So many things in my life I had no idea the impact they would have on others or what being careless might lead to.  I know so much more about life now and what is and is not appropriate, and believe I learned many hard lessons along the line.  Did I appreciate people pointing them out while I was doing them NO I did not and would be the first to tell people to __ off and not worry about what I was or was not doing.  I believe anyone and everyone makes some really big boo boos in their lives, that is just how life is.  we live, we hopefully learn from whatever it is we might do that is something we might should not do.  So for me to say anything with the "intent" of just trying to point at something someone might have done which might not be what I think they should or should not have done, is not what I am doing at all.  I care about people no matter what, but when you see something that might cause something, it is a good thing to point it out so the person might realize it is not the best thing in the world to be doing.  Yes, it makes people mad, and that is understandable, but to sit and just say nothing is not good either.  its none of my business what adults do, if they choose to allow their kids on the net, it is none of my business, and each child is different in what they can handle and be responsible or whatever. 

But here is what I am seeing(and obviously I am not the only one seeing it). 

These girls WERE on the myspace, AND someone had to KNOW THEY WERE, because they are on their myspace pages and the pages of their friends.  so to say no one knew they were on there is crazy.  So what other sites were they on under what names?  someone needs to look and find where all these girls photos and names are floating around with mccleary was attached to them.  We have a town of 1500 people with a first and last name of young girls.  If I can find where they live, so can some weirdo. 

I am pretty liberal when it comes to allowing kids to have some responsibilities of their own, IF the kids can handle it.  Maybe these girls could handle it to some extent.  Maybe they were allowed on there.  Maybe no one realized what could happen.  Most people don't realize there are so many weirdos in the world.  I use to live in a tow of 5000 people, no one locked the doors, kids ran all over, nothing happened, everyone knew one another, it was safe... and I had no idea at the time that there were so many "crazies" out there.  I am sure the people of mccleary think/thought the same thing about their town.  I understand the mentality of a tiny town atmosphere where everyone knows one another.   And until you get on these forums, or something like this happens to you or someone you know, you just don't understand just how bad it is. 

I think a predator who saw these myspaces with these girls on there would zero in on their pages.  I see things, others see things that might not mean anything to the people in the famliy, but to others especially sicko, this is what they look for.  They interpret it to mean anythig they want it to be, so they search and find these kids.  It's no ones fault but the sicos.  but if they were on there and if they were on other sites, someone needs to find all the sites with all the names and not say they were not on there or allowed on there.  They were on there, some of the content is not good, even if it was innocent to them.  some sicko it going to take that the wrong way.  so rather than say they were not allowed on there and no one knew it, we need to figure out where all those photos are.  and try to track where someone could have ran innto them. 


I'll come home. have to leave right not for the vet, but I will get onlie when I get home and try to track whatever I can. 

I am sorry to her family if they think I might be pointing fingers or whatever, I'm not, I just want to make certain people are tracking those kids pages on the net and find out who else was tracking those girls.  I really believe the content on those pages was such to lure weirdos.  and until we all admit that it could attract the weirdos ad start looking, we are not going to find who might have her if someone has her.  ugh


will be back i a few hours. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on June 30, 2009, 05:22:33 PM
"My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument."

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt

That answers one of the questions...
It sure does, and if that is true about juvie, he is very young.

I agree.

Last night I questioned an 11 year old son ... of longtime neighbours ... when he came to the door collecting lap pledges in regard to the swim team he is on.  His father was waiting for him at the bottom of the driveway.  Out of curiosity ... considering he has three older siblings ... I questioned him if he knew of anybody in "juvie".  He did not have a clue what I was talking about ... what the terminology implied.

Monkeys ... it appears that the lifestyle in our small close-knit community does not reflect the relaxed lifestyle in McCleary, Washington.  That may be the reason I am not comprehending this entire situation.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Tamikosmom I am having the same issues you expressed  in connecting to some of the facts.  At 10 my daughter did not talk about boys (except to complain her brothers would not take her with them paintballing) , set up myspace accounts, or have a cell phone.  Her curfew was not 10pm to be home, she was in bed by 9:00pm.  - well actually 8:30 with a 1/2 to read before sleep.  She never walked, road her bike, or rollerbalded anywhere by herself.  If she was going next door I would be on the driveway watching her and we lived in the sticks for goodness sake!

From my own experiences Lindsey and her friends are far more "pubescent" than the 10 year old girls around here.  I for one need to take this into account when looking at this case.  I hope for her safe return and pray for strength for the family.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2009, 05:27:01 PM
doubledecker excellent post, what you wrote is the truth, it is reality.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on June 30, 2009, 05:29:33 PM
Thanks DoubleDecker for putting it all out there.  I saw that yesterday too, but didn't say anything either.  I agree, LE needs to have ALL the information, whether it leads anywhere or not.  Covering eyes is not going to make it all go away.  JMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
"My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument."

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt

That answers one of the questions...
It sure does, and if that is true about juvie, he is very young.

I agree.

Last night I questioned an 11 year old son ... of longtime neighbours ... when he came to the door collecting lap pledges in regard to the swim team he is on.  His father was waiting for him at the bottom of the driveway.  Out of curiosity ... considering he has three older siblings ... I questioned him if he knew of anybody in "juvie".  He did not have a clue what I was talking about ... what the terminology implied.

Monkeys ... it appears that the lifestyle in our small close-knit community does not reflect the relaxed lifestyle in McCleary, Washington.  That may be the reason I am not comprehending this entire situation.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Tamikosmom I am having the same issues you expressed  in connecting to some of the facts.  At 10 my daughter did not talk about boys (except to complain her brothers would not take her with them paintballing) , set up myspace accounts, or have a cell phone.  Her curfew was not 10pm to be home, she was in bed by 9:00pm.  - well actually 8:30 with a 1/2 to read before sleep.  She never walked, road her bike, or rollerbalded anywhere by herself.  If she was going next door I would be on the driveway watching her and we lived in the sticks for goodness sake!

From my own experiences Lindsey and her friends are far more "pubescent" than the 10 year old girls around here.  I for one need to take this into account when looking at this case.  I hope for her safe return and pray for strength for the family.

I have just one child, a son (21 now) but back then...at 10 years old -  I had just about the same rules as you. Bed at 8:30, 9PM was lights out. He would never ride his bike, skateboard or roller blade unless with a group of friends or with me or his uncles. Never on a computer unless needed to complete a school assignment and he didn't have a cell phone. Girls were not even a thought. They were "like so gross"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 05:36:14 PM
I am off for a while. My prayers are with Lindsey, her family and community. I hope this little one is found soon and SAFE!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on June 30, 2009, 06:07:53 PM
Thank you very much for your kindness. It is appreciated. I really want people to understand that it was light outside when she left otherwise I would have never let her walk home and neither would her mom. I have 4 children of my own and Lindsey was like our own. As parents we should have been more careful and given them less freedom- we see that now and understand peoples frustrations and we are now paying dearly for that but if you look at McCleary - things like this just don't happen if you check out the stats for here you'll understand that we all really thought our kids were safe. So little goes on here that everyone doesn't know about. The Sgt. here grew up here and in his years we've never had a kid go missing - unless it was a runaway and even then they were all found quickly.

Lindsey's mom lost her sole source of transportation (it broke down) and they were barely getting by but her mom works hard and has found a way to continue to commute to the job she has had to keep to make it and take care of her kids which she loves so much and was constantly checking on Lindsey and having her check in. She is sitting outside her home right now hour after hour praying for some news and nothing comes - no leads - no news - no clue what happened -being told there is nothing that we can do to help. And all the while she still has to care for her son. I wouldn't dare try to say I know what she is going through but I know when she searches online hoping to find a bit of news that someone failed to update us on and it breaks her heart when she runs across the adversity. Mine too.
 
People on other sites are dissecting Lindsey's MySpace profiles and that of my daughters as well and I don't blame them but they don't know these girls for real. MySpace was their way of being cool and living outside the box - that's all. We are not perfect parents but we love our children and they may have their issues (as most kids do) but they are good kids.

I will pass on your well wishes for a safe return and again - Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.


My heart goes out to you. I can hear your pain in your words.

Most of us monkeys have been following missing person cases a long time. Some of us have had missing loved ones, some of us have known someone who was missing, many of us have took part in searching for a missing person listed on this forum (either on the ground or helping with donations for the volunteers) and all of us are advocates for the missing. We care, we love, we pray and we have hope that all these pages of missing people will find their way home, no matter what.

In caring and following so many cases, we know what you are just learning so painfully. That it does happen even in small towns. That it can happen in the blink of an eye. That the internet can be a dangerous place for young children. There are so many evil people out there and children trust so easily. What seems like a a "cool friend" that you talk to online, can easily be a 40 year old sicko...pretending to be a 12 year old girl.

It's a shame that we live in a world that are children are not even safe in their own backyard.

We look at each new missing person and we talk amongst ourselves, batting around ideas, looking for clues and trying to help in whatever way we can. It isn't always pretty for family members or friends to read. I am sorry for that. It can come across as harsh and unfeeling...which is the furthest from the truth.
Please know it isn't because we don't care. It's because we do care.

We celebrate with joy each time a missing loved one is found safe and we grieve and cry when a missing loved one is recovered.

We never give up hope. We want them all to be found.


I totally agree with DD's comments.  We are here to help, research the facts, bring much needed awareness, pray, build up hope, continue to pray, and do whatever we can to bring children home.  If that means prodding and jabbing to get answers to logical questions, so be it.  Yes, the internet has its good sides, and unfortunately an evil side.  Is everyone aware of the evil side -- not yet, but hopefully will be more informed each and every day.  Times have changed, what we experienced growing up and what children growing up today experience is almost like a 180.  What these children think about and deal with, I never thought of or dealt with when I was their age . . . and some of it, even now in my old age.
We live in a land of freedom of speech and for that I am grateful.  But when people use that speech to ridicule, give nonconstructive criticism, insinuate, do the  "I would never . . . ", that does not inform, that does not help, that is not hope, and that assuredly is not prayer.  I realize this forum is open to discussions and opinions, as well it should be.  But when a family are in the midst of the crisis . . .
Matthew 12:33-37 for those who are interested.
JMHO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 06:24:46 PM
"My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument."

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt

That answers one of the questions...
It sure does, and if that is true about juvie, he is very young.

I agree.

Last night I questioned an 11 year old son ... of longtime neighbours ... when he came to the door collecting lap pledges in regard to the swim team he is on.  His father was waiting for him at the bottom of the driveway.  Out of curiosity ... considering he has three older siblings ... I questioned him if he knew of anybody in "juvie".  He did not have a clue what I was talking about ... what the terminology implied.

Monkeys ... it appears that the lifestyle in our small close-knit community does not reflect the relaxed lifestyle in McCleary, Washington.  That may be the reason I am not comprehending this entire situation.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Tamikosmom I am having the same issues you expressed  in connecting to some of the facts.  At 10 my daughter did not talk about boys (except to complain her brothers would not take her with them paintballing) , set up myspace accounts, or have a cell phone.  Her curfew was not 10pm to be home, she was in bed by 9:00pm.  - well actually 8:30 with a 1/2 to read before sleep.  She never walked, road her bike, or rollerbalded anywhere by herself.  If she was going next door I would be on the driveway watching her and we lived in the sticks for goodness sake!

From my own experiences Lindsey and her friends are far more "pubescent" than the 10 year old girls around here.  I for one need to take this into account when looking at this case.  I hope for her safe return and pray for strength for the family.

Thank you Northern Rose.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 07:35:46 PM
I am home now and will start digging. 

We need to find all the places on the net these girls were either posting, had their pics posted, had their names posted, their addresses etc, and where all these things link to.  On many cases I have dug and bumped into something on the net the police did not know about. 

In just a few minutes I found lindsey's pic with her name on it floating all over. anyone can see that, trace it straight back to her myspace and get her town name.  after that it is so easy to find her in real life, find all the places on the net she goes etc. 

I didn't even begin to keep tracking her photo with name, I just spent a few minutes.  I'm going to start digging and following her photo from one site to the next and see what all I can find it.  I have to say having her name and those photos of her and her friend and some of the other content on those pages the way it is, is not good at all. 

another thing is this. 

I know a lot of people who have kids this age who are very much like most of the posters on this thread who say they never let their kids do this or that or their kids don't act "mature" like this etc.  But then I also know a lot of kids who DO act like this at that age.  I don't judge them or the parents, I just figure they grow up in different circumstances and environments and it is just how it is.  So my question is, are these kids of the naive group who act like the 10 years old most of you know, or are they of the group of 10 yr olds who act like 17-18 yr olds.  It would help a lot to know. 

First thing I wonder is who made the websties?  who thought up the content.  Are these 10 yr olds who think like older teens?  or are these 10 yr olds who think like the 10 year olds most of you are use too?  if they are the younger thinking type of 10 yr olds who is designing the website?  If they are of the older thinking type of 10 yr old who are use to that type of content then what are their interests and who do they hang out with.  Are they around old teens? adults?  where they learn "older things". 

It really does matter what these kids are like. It matters what is their THINKING age, not there age in years they have been on the earth.  one of the things on the site said "I don't like boys who cheat".  so you would think they have boyfriends?  or want one?  or are interested in talking to boys or hanging out with boys.  are they in teen chat rooms? are they talking to boys online they do not know?  these kinds of things help us to try to figure out where Lindsey MIGHT HAVE come into contact with someone who she might be with, whether it be willingly or whether she was abducted by someone she met who was older or met someone onlinne who she thought was young and was not.

where do her and her friends hang out?  Who are they hanging out with.  What are their interests. What sites on the net would interest them? the more we know what these girls and friends are really like and their interests and the "age" they "act" the easier to locate who they might have come into contact with.   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 07:43:33 PM
A few comments regarding previous posts:

As far as the walking home at night contrary to what many think at the time Lindsey went missing it was still quite light out side as has been attested to by local police.

The bottom picture of Kayla - No that is not a mattress on the floor it is a pillow and the pic was taken at a girlfriends house when they were hanging out watching movies.

As for Lindsey's Myspace it was a kid (a friend) of Lindsey's that wrote the "I'm on Lindsey's myspace that is cool" as for the mood that is not what everyone appears to think it is it had been set to that previously in reference to a water war the kids all had. So nothing funny there.

Both girls are not suppose to be accessing Myspace but as of yet that is one site that has not been blocked from all public library computers or all of their friends homes.
- Lastly, I believe the basis of this forum is suppose to be supportive not trying to throw blame but instead provide support and to also discuss ways of trying to get the missing home safely. I understand sometimes trying to dig out information and hopefully leads and ideas means sometimes hitting where it hurts but please remember that above all else - There Is a Child Missing

It was my house that she left and no one can change the fact that I did not walk her home regardless of how light it was outside and that guilt eats me alive and haunts me every minute that ticks by. I wish it would have been dark out when she left because then I would have walked her home and we would not be here right now. If I could change things I would in a heartbeat but I can't now. As for Lindsey's mom she does not have a car but when she did Lindsey never had to walk home in the dark and she wouldn't, her mom was always right there to pick her up. What ifs do nothing more then make a tough situation more difficult for those of us who love Lindsey and they won't help bring her home...

What if...
One of the 2000 McCleary residents would have been outside and seen her
I had walked her home
I had let her stay the night
someone close had a car
it was one minute earlier/later
it was five minutes later/earlier
it was dark outside when she left
she had been walking with someone
police would have been patrolling that area
every sicko out there wasn't allowed a second chance
she had remembered to bring her phone
the police would have called in help before 12 hours had passed



Bumping this up for those that may not have seen it when posted earlier.
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here,honestly but Kara states that both girls were not supposed to be accessing MySpace,that they still did it thru the library and some of thier homes yet....it looks to me like Lindsey herself was posting comments on Kara's own MySpace page months ago?
Again,I'm not trying to start trouble for anyone but that doesn't make sense to me so I think I'll just keep quiet and see what happens.I hope they do find Lindsey safe very soon,she is in my prayers.

this is the very same thing I noticed right off too.  they are "friends" on the very myspaces belonging to the people who say the girls are not suppose to be on there and no one knew about it.  I too just decided to be quiet until someone else "got it".  thanks.  should we just be quiet about what we are finding?  because it is not going over well?  I am really wonderig, do I just sit and say nothing about what I think because it might not go over very well?  or should I just say it?  ugh. 

sorrry but I see what I see.  glad you posted that, I don't feel so awful about thinking the same thing now. 
No problem DD,I saw you posting that last night(your doubts,your concerns)and didn't mean to leave you out there swimming alone but sometimes I do sit back and read everything I can get my hands on before I start asking questions.I'm really not trying to hurt anyone in the family or friends circle but sometimes I just cannot stop myself from questioning things.I sure don't want anyone to think I am bashing Lindsey's family or friends....just looking for the truth.
So don't feel bad DD
I also noticed that the messages(a couple of them)seemed kinda....racy for a 10 year old to be posting on an adult's MySpace....really shouldn't even be posting that on anyones sites.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 30, 2009, 07:54:48 PM
I am in no way trying to be nasty or to "blame" anyone for mistakes they might make in thier lives; God knows I have made plenty of my own and I was never a saint by any means.  So many things in my life I had no idea the impact they would have on others or what being careless might lead to.  I know so much more about life now and what is and is not appropriate, and believe I learned many hard lessons along the line.  Did I appreciate people pointing them out while I was doing them NO I did not and would be the first to tell people to __ off and not worry about what I was or was not doing.  I believe anyone and everyone makes some really big boo boos in their lives, that is just how life is.  we live, we hopefully learn from whatever it is we might do that is something we might should not do.  So for me to say anything with the "intent" of just trying to point at something someone might have done which might not be what I think they should or should not have done, is not what I am doing at all.  I care about people no matter what, but when you see something that might cause something, it is a good thing to point it out so the person might realize it is not the best thing in the world to be doing.  Yes, it makes people mad, and that is understandable, but to sit and just say nothing is not good either.  its none of my business what adults do, if they choose to allow their kids on the net, it is none of my business, and each child is different in what they can handle and be responsible or whatever. 

But here is what I am seeing(and obviously I am not the only one seeing it). 

These girls WERE on the myspace, AND someone had to KNOW THEY WERE, because they are on their myspace pages and the pages of their friends.  so to say no one knew they were on there is crazy.  So what other sites were they on under what names?  someone needs to look and find where all these girls photos and names are floating around with mccleary was attached to them.  We have a town of 1500 people with a first and last name of young girls.  If I can find where they live, so can some weirdo. 

I am pretty liberal when it comes to allowing kids to have some responsibilities of their own, IF the kids can handle it.  Maybe these girls could handle it to some extent.  Maybe they were allowed on there.  Maybe no one realized what could happen.  Most people don't realize there are so many weirdos in the world.  I use to live in a tow of 5000 people, no one locked the doors, kids ran all over, nothing happened, everyone knew one another, it was safe... and I had no idea at the time that there were so many "crazies" out there.  I am sure the people of mccleary think/thought the same thing about their town.  I understand the mentality of a tiny town atmosphere where everyone knows one another.   And until you get on these forums, or something like this happens to you or someone you know, you just don't understand just how bad it is. 

I think a predator who saw these myspaces with these girls on there would zero in on their pages.  I see things, others see things that might not mean anything to the people in the famliy, but to others especially sicko, this is what they look for.  They interpret it to mean anythig they want it to be, so they search and find these kids.  It's no ones fault but the sicos.  but if they were on there and if they were on other sites, someone needs to find all the sites with all the names and not say they were not on there or allowed on there.  They were on there, some of the content is not good, even if it was innocent to them.  some sicko it going to take that the wrong way.  so rather than say they were not allowed on there and no one knew it, we need to figure out where all those photos are.  and try to track where someone could have ran innto them. 


I'll come home. have to leave right not for the vet, but I will get onlie when I get home and try to track whatever I can. 

I am sorry to her family if they think I might be pointing fingers or whatever, I'm not, I just want to make certain people are tracking those kids pages on the net and find out who else was tracking those girls.  I really believe the content on those pages was such to lure weirdos.  and until we all admit that it could attract the weirdos ad start looking, we are not going to find who might have her if someone has her.  ugh


will be back i a few hours. 
Very well stated DD
The only way to look at it,realistically,IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 08:37:15 PM
All aspects encompassing Lindsey's liberal lifestyle must be revealed and taken into consideration if LE is able to conduct an effective investigation into her disappearance.  The truth will not be forthcoming by pretending that Lindsey led a very sheltered life.

I concede that I harbor some anger but ... I do not have a heart of stone.  My heart breaks for the two mothers involved.  Both woman must be experiencing a living H--- as they question the choices made last Friday evening.

However ... ... a little missing girl named Lindsey is my focus.

Janet





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
Nancy Grace - HLN

Lindsey Baum is being discussed right now.

Janet
5:47 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Rob on June 30, 2009, 08:56:04 PM
The person who has abducted Lindsey is a traveling salesman. Possibly in Insurance, Home Improvement, Gutter Protection, Roofing, Wet Sealing a basement.

This person was passing through her community or a surrounding community and saw a crime of opportunity.

The abductor drives a SUV or some type of truck that lends credence to his profession.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on June 30, 2009, 08:56:18 PM
I am home now and will start digging. 

We need to find all the places on the net these girls were either posting, had their pics posted, had their names posted, their addresses etc, and where all these things link to.  On many cases I have dug and bumped into something on the net the police did not know about. 

In just a few minutes I found lindsey's pic with her name on it floating all over. anyone can see that, trace it straight back to her myspace and get her town name.  after that it is so easy to find her in real life, find all the places on the net she goes etc. 

I didn't even begin to keep tracking her photo with name, I just spent a few minutes.  I'm going to start digging and following her photo from one site to the next and see what all I can find it.  I have to say having her name and those photos of her and her friend and some of the other content on those pages the way it is, is not good at all. 

another thing is this. 

I know a lot of people who have kids this age who are very much like most of the posters on this thread who say they never let their kids do this or that or their kids don't act "mature" like this etc.  But then I also know a lot of kids who DO act like this at that age.  I don't judge them or the parents, I just figure they grow up in different circumstances and environments and it is just how it is.  So my question is, are these kids of the naive group who act like the 10 years old most of you know, or are they of the group of 10 yr olds who act like 17-18 yr olds.  It would help a lot to know. 

First thing I wonder is who made the websties?  who thought up the content.  Are these 10 yr olds who think like older teens?  or are these 10 yr olds who think like the 10 year olds most of you are use too?  if they are the younger thinking type of 10 yr olds who is designing the website?  If they are of the older thinking type of 10 yr old who are use to that type of content then what are their interests and who do they hang out with.  Are they around old teens? adults?  where they learn "older things". 

It really does matter what these kids are like. It matters what is their THINKING age, not there age in years they have been on the earth.  one of the things on the site said "I don't like boys who cheat".  so you would think they have boyfriends?  or want one?  or are interested in talking to boys or hanging out with boys.  are they in teen chat rooms? are they talking to boys online they do not know?  these kinds of things help us to try to figure out where Lindsey MIGHT HAVE come into contact with someone who she might be with, whether it be willingly or whether she was abducted by someone she met who was older or met someone onlinne who she thought was young and was not.

where do her and her friends hang out?  Who are they hanging out with.  What are their interests. What sites on the net would interest them? the more we know what these girls and friends are really like and their interests and the "age" they "act" the easier to locate who they might have come into contact with.   



dd, as you know, I'm not good at researching, but I am a wiz at sorting.  If I can help, let me know.  In the meantime, I will be praying for Lindsey's safe return, her family, her community, LE, FBI and all other searchers and researchers.
This past Saturday, I officiated at the funeral for a 17-year old young lady who hung herself.  After the service, I heard folks standing around in little groups saying, " . . . if she had been my daughter . . . if I was her grandmother . . . if she were my sister . . . if I were her father . . . when I raised by children . . ."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 09:37:15 PM
if you go from Kayla's page, you get to ashley's page
http://www.myspace.com/Ashley_Cowgirl_up
another "13" yr old mccleary girl



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 09:47:15 PM
from kayla's page you go to mckenzie's page where Lindsey had been posting as disturbed. 
mckenzie says she is 18, but she does not look it.
her mood is scared today
mackenzielindsey is still missing!!!20 hours ago from mobile
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 30, 2009, 09:54:40 PM
Rob...good to see you! how did you arrive at this profile of who might be involved with Lindsey's disappearance? interesting...


snip rob:
The person who has abducted Lindsey is a traveling salesman. Possibly in Insurance, Home Improvement, Gutter Protection, Roofing, Wet Sealing a basement.

This person was passing through her community or a surrounding community and saw a crime of opportunity.

The abductor drives a SUV or some type of truck that lends credence to his profession.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 09:59:13 PM
more 13 year old friends who are talking about lindsey
http://www.myspace.com/hazel_eyed_beauty9

from mckenzie, another 13 yr old
thinks the ranger is cute.
do these girls like older guys?
http://www.myspace.com/bella_ily



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 30, 2009, 10:05:38 PM
did I read that this 10 yr old girl had a 10 PM curfew?? tell me that I did not read that correctly....

I hope that this little girl is safe and is found soon...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
from fiesty's page/this is kayla's page

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on June 30, 2009, 10:20:43 PM
"My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument."

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt

That answers one of the questions...
It sure does, and if that is true about juvie, he is very young.

In most states you can go to juvie at age 10...it shocked me when I found that out....just babies still at that age.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on June 30, 2009, 10:25:07 PM
I think that if she were going to leave on her own that she would have taken her cell phone just to young to realize that would be a tracking device and also would not have been seen so close to making it to her house....I bet whoever took her did not know that she was almost home....I wish that she would have run and screamed as loud as she could....but then again she may have known the person .....like in the Sandra Cantu case 


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Sister on June 30, 2009, 10:25:15 PM
Did you read that entry about her feeling something bad is going to happen?
On the 29th of May.

DD, I think this is MySpace -- something about nightmares?  Would you check this?
Thank you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 10:26:55 PM
did I read that this 10 yr old girl had a 10 PM curfew?? tell me that I did not read that correctly....

I hope that this little girl is safe and is found soon...


cookie ... I wish you had read the article incorrectly.

Janet

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Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.  

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on June 30, 2009, 10:31:56 PM
wonder why Lindsey had not just called her friend to spend the night rather than walking there to see? 
also, I feel sorry for her brother if he is blaming himself cause they got into a fight and he went on home...I know that my brother and I used to fight all the time, didn't mean that there weren't times that we got along just fine...and that we didn't love each other..kids fight and squabble at that age..
this kind of guilt is a lot for a young boy to have on his shoulders...jmo....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 10:35:43 PM
this is lindsey's friend Kylar's myspace
Kate made this page for her, Kate seems to be her friend
notice the huge difference in this page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=431921978


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on June 30, 2009, 10:39:37 PM
wonder why Lindsey had not just called her friend to spend the night rather than walking there to see? 
also, I feel sorry for her brother if he is blaming himself cause they got into a fight and he went on home...I know that my brother and I used to fight all the time, didn't mean that there weren't times that we got along just fine...and that we didn't love each other..kids fight and squabble at that age..
this kind of guilt is a lot for a young boy to have on his shoulders...jmo....

I agree -- her brother is probably blaming himself for the fight over a bike.  I haven't see anything yet that indicates he was actually going to juvie.  My brother and I used to fight (he would scare me, which I still hate), and I remember screaming at him "I wish you were dead as a snake."  Of course, I didn't mean it and am grateful after all these years, he and the snake haven't met.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 10:40:13 PM
this is lindsey's friend Kylar's myspace
Kate made this page for her, Kate seems to be her friend
notice the huge difference in this page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=431921978

I got that backwards, kylar made kate's page


somewhere I read this is kylar's page, but now I am not so sure, will try to veryify


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 10:49:38 PM
Did you read that entry about her feeling something bad is going to happen?
On the 29th of May.

DD, I think this is MySpace -- something about nightmares?  Would you check this?
Thank you.

that is on the twighlight freak myspace
http://www.myspace.com/477760045

this myspace was started on may 29th, within a month she is missing
she says she is scared, having nightmares, the same day the page is started. why did she change myspaces?
 



along with
Status and MoodLindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.
Mood: happ at 2:10 PM Jun 17
Lindsey Baum is bored as hell
Mood: bored at 8:01 PM Jun 8
Lindsey Baum cabt wait to hang with kayla agian
Mood: anxious at 2:13 PM Jun 8
Lindsey Baum i've been getting a lot of nightmares latley and i have this bad feeling that something bads gonna happen
Mood: scared at 6:48 AM May 29
Lindsey Baum has joined MySpace!
Mood: good at 4:04 AM May 29

also on that page
General
i love hanging out with my friends
Music
rap, hip hop, rock, metal, country, ect.
Movies
horror and comedy, sometimes romance
Television
dont got cable
Books
twilight, steven king, S.E Hinton
Heroes
my besties, kayla, kylar, christina, and cheyanne
DetailsStatus: Single
Here for: Dating, Serious Relationships, Friends
Hometown: McCleary?
Orientation: Straight
Body type: 5' 2" / Slim / Slender
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Zodiac Sign: Cancer
Children: Someday
Smoke: No
About me:
I live in a small town in Washington. I've got a female German Shephard named Kadence. She was named after a book. hehe. my besties are kayla, kylar, and christina. oh yeah and cheyanne (shy anne). I love to write. that's basically it. Who I'd like to meet:
basically anyone that i can relate to

___________-


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 10:54:23 PM
this is alice walter's myspace, twighlight freak/lindsey is a friend there
http://www.myspace.com/480197876


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on June 30, 2009, 11:11:42 PM
do we know if lindsey's brother has a myspace page?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
this is kylar's page too?  or is this it?  I am not sure but this says it is kylar KAMPEN's page, so is she Kayla's sister? 
http://www.myspace.com/445914790


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 11:17:25 PM
these myspaces are very confusing. 
on the one I just posted for kylar, after you click on the blog, you get this

your shorty
 has a photo of your shorty/kylar here
Kylar Kampen


Last Updated: 6/20/2009

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Gender: Male
Status: Single
Age: 28
Sign: Scorpio

City: MCCLEARY
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Signup Date: 1/15/2009 
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it seems everyone has the other person's photo on their avatar, then you have several sites with the same names.  it is hard to keep up with who is who on them.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2009, 11:30:53 PM
DD I think you are right on, this girl was taken by someone who saw myspace pages. My goodness, 10 years old? More like 10  going on 19. These myspace pages look like they are from girls a lot older then 10. The words, the comments, the pictures, the attitude, my god, did the parents know about this? Did they read the comments using such words as sexy and hell.  I pray this poor little girl is still alive, but I have a bad feeling. Let this be a big wake up call of the worse kind and get the kids off the computer.


 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on June 30, 2009, 11:38:11 PM
Slightly O/T - does anyone know where I could find some statistics regarding the abductions from meeting online, or any other such numbers for predators, etc.  I will make it my mission to get this into the hands of parents in my "little" community where kids do roam at night.  Yes, it is considered a "Charlie Brown" kind of place -- one road in and same road out, folks don't lock their doors, etc. etc., but no it's not liberal.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 11:43:32 PM
Slightly O/T - does anyone know where I could find some statistics regarding the abductions from meeting online, or any other such numbers for predators, etc.  I will make it my mission to get this into the hands of parents in my "little" community where kids do roam at night.  Yes, it is considered a "Charlie Brown" kind of place -- one road in and same road out, folks don't lock their doors, etc. etc., but no it's not liberal.

    *  One in five U.S. teenagers who regularly log on to the Internet say they have received an unwanted sexual solicitation via the Web. Solicitations were defined as requests to engage in sexual activities or sexual talk, or to give personal sexual information.


    * 25% of children have been exposed to unwanted pornographic material online.
     

    * Only 1/3 of households with Internet access are actively protecting their children with filtering or blocking software.
     

    * 75% of children are willing to share personal information online about themselves and their family in exchange for goods and services.
     
    * Only approximately 25% of children who encountered a sexual approach or solicitation told a parent or adult.
     

    * One in 33 youth received an aggressive sexual solicitation in the past year. This means a predator asked a young person to meet somewhere, called a young person on the phone, and/or sent the young person correspondence, money, or gifts through the U.S. Postal Service.
     
    * 77% of the targets for online predators were age 14 or older.  Ano


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2009, 11:47:27 PM
0% of the children in my household are allowed on the internet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 11:47:57 PM
I think I got this figured out here
Kylar is kayla's brother
Kylar is "your shorty"

everywhere you see "xxxxxxx" I have blocked out his phone number he had posted on here.
these kids post their names and phone numbers on these pages, where they live etc...gee

from kylar's myspace
your shorty's Status and Mood Updates your shortystill likes her alot nd likes some other girlys \5 hours ago
Mood: accomplished 
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on June 30, 2009, 11:48:47 PM
Slightly O/T - does anyone know where I could find some statistics regarding the abductions from meeting online, or any other such numbers for predators, etc.  I will make it my mission to get this into the hands of parents in my "little" community where kids do roam at night.  Yes, it is considered a "Charlie Brown" kind of place -- one road in and same road out, folks don't lock their doors, etc. etc., but no it's not liberal.

    *  One in five U.S. teenagers who regularly log on to the Internet say they have received an unwanted sexual solicitation via the Web. Solicitations were defined as requests to engage in sexual activities or sexual talk, or to give personal sexual information.


    * 25% of children have been exposed to unwanted pornographic material online.
     

    * Only 1/3 of households with Internet access are actively protecting their children with filtering or blocking software.
     

    * 75% of children are willing to share personal information online about themselves and their family in exchange for goods and services.
     
    * Only approximately 25% of children who encountered a sexual approach or solicitation told a parent or adult.
     

    * One in 33 youth received an aggressive sexual solicitation in the past year. This means a predator asked a young person to meet somewhere, called a young person on the phone, and/or sent the young person correspondence, money, or gifts through the U.S. Postal Service.
     
    * 77% of the targets for online predators were age 14 or older.  Ano


http://enough.org/inside.php?id=2UXKJWRY8


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 11:49:51 PM
DD I think you are right on, this girl was taken by someone who saw myspace pages. My goodness, 10 years old? More like 10  going on 19. These myspace pages look like they are from girls a lot older then 10. The words, the comments, the pictures, the attitude, my god, did the parents know about this? Did they read the comments using such words as sexy and hell.  I pray this poor little girl is still alive, but I have a bad feeling. Let this be a big wake up call of the worse kind and get the kids off the computer.


 

Lindsey portrays her age as 13 years old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 30, 2009, 11:56:46 PM

that is on the twighlight freak myspace
http://www.myspace.com/477760045

this myspace was started on may 29th, within a month she is missing
she says she is scared, having nightmares, the same day the page is started. why did she change myspaces?
 

along with
Status and MoodLindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.
Mood: happ at 2:10 PM Jun 17
Lindsey Baum is bored as hell
Mood: bored at 8:01 PM Jun 8
Lindsey Baum cabt wait to hang with kayla agian
Mood: anxious at 2:13 PM Jun 8
Lindsey Baum i've been getting a lot of nightmares latley and i have this bad feeling that something bads gonna happen
Mood: scared at 6:48 AM May 29
Lindsey Baum has joined MySpace!
Mood: good at 4:04 AM May 29

also on that page
General
i love hanging out with my friends
Music
rap, hip hop, rock, metal, country, ect.
Movies
horror and comedy, sometimes romance
Television
dont got cable
Books
twilight, steven king, S.E Hinton
Heroes
my besties, kayla, kylar, christina, and cheyanne
DetailsStatus: Single
Here for: Dating, Serious Relationships, Friends
Hometown: McCleary?
Orientation: Straight
Body type: 5' 2" / Slim / Slender
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Zodiac Sign: Cancer
Children: Someday
Smoke: No
About me:
I live in a small town in Washington. I've got a female German Shephard named Kadence. She was named after a book. hehe. my besties are kayla, kylar, and christina. oh yeah and cheyanne (shy anne). I love to write. that's basically it. Who I'd like to meet:
basically anyone that i can relate to

___________-

Thank you for these postings doubledecker.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on June 30, 2009, 11:57:00 PM
the problem is people just do not realize what goes on with some many whackos out there.  They have no idea how many predators there are or what they are actually capable of.  Until I got on the crime forums I had no idea either.  I knew there were child molesters etc around, but I never to how many or how whacked they are.  I never realized how many of them are in contact with one another and all over the net sharing so many photos and crazy stuff.  I never realized how sick these people really are, and what horrid things they are capable of.  I know NOW. 

I worked with teens at risk so I know how kids are.  I've worked with parolee's etc, I know how people get all screwed up and how some people's kids just grow up fast and I am not naive to how some 10 yr olds act like older teens or even older.  I have met many.  When you start mixing them together on the net it can turn into a real mess. No one intends on this to happen, mostly they don't realize it can happen.  But it does. 

these whacko sickos are all over the net just searching for kids.  And then you have kids on these pages posting their names, phone numbers, a little racy content, and their towns, and there you go; any preditor can figure out where they live, and who they are and what their habits are.  get these kids in some chatroom or gameroom and these kids are just having fun, but these predators are stalking them. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2009, 11:58:13 PM
DD I think you are right on, this girl was taken by someone who saw myspace pages. My goodness, 10 years old? More like 10  going on 19. These myspace pages look like they are from girls a lot older then 10. The words, the comments, the pictures, the attitude, my god, did the parents know about this? Did they read the comments using such words as sexy and hell.  I pray this poor little girl is still alive, but I have a bad feeling. Let this be a big wake up call of the worse kind and get the kids off the computer.


 

Lindsey portrays her age as 13 years old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

This is just my opinion but to me this is a perfect example of a little girl who wants to grow up too soon. The internet is dangerous and no place for kids. Again, just my opinion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:06:33 AM
here are the 48 friends of kayla when she is using lindsey's photo on her myspace
http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends&friendID=445918694


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 12:07:44 AM
Who I'd like to meet:
basically anyone that i can relate to

that is a scary statement...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:11:21 AM
Who I'd like to meet:
basically anyone that i can relate to

that is a scary statement...

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Here for: Dating, Serious Relationships, Friends

This is a 10 year old child!!

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:15:23 AM
I'm not sure but this seems to be the myspace of kylar/kayla's older sister?

they talk about someone who's baby dies and they call her 'sis'.  this is her, she is 17 and living in AZ I guess.
http://www.myspace.com/cassies0

kara is 31, she has a daughter 17?
maybe it is not their real sister?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 12:17:01 AM
here are the 48 friends of kayla when she is using lindsey's photo on her myspace
http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends&friendID=445918694

Wow. I missed it, why does she use Lindsy's pic on her myspace? do we know if she was communicating with someone on line? Someone could have thought Lindsey was Kayla especially if she was leaving Kayla's house.

This is bad...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 12:17:10 AM
you would think that her cell phone would tell all but didn't LE say that the cell checked out okay?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 12:18:52 AM
Who I'd like to meet:
basically anyone that i can relate to

that is a scary statement...

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Here for: Dating, Serious Relationships, Friends

This is a 10 year old child!!

Janet


This is a pedophiles dream! Have you ever watched a car wreck and thought NOOOOOOO this is how I am tonight as I am reading this stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:19:24 AM
Who I'd like to meet:
basically anyone that i can relate to

that is a scary statement...

yes it is, we understand how that is taken and wonder why someone that young would post something like that.  definitely sounds like something an older person would say.

these kids are grown up way more than your basic 10 yr old, or even your 13 year old.  so we have to realize that age in numbers mean nothing.  we have to research this case as what would a teenager be doing, saying, who they hang out with etc.  and kids who are friends with adults.  we can't look at this case like we have some very young little girl, even though she is, she is going to be attracting predators who would also target older kids/teens etc.   This is why it is so important to get a feel for the victim and what their interests/personalities, etc are.  otherwise we will be way off on finding who might be targeting them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 12:19:27 AM
here are the 48 friends of kayla when she is using lindsey's photo on her myspace
http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends&friendID=445918694

Wow. I missed it, why does she use Lindsy's pic on her myspace? do we know if she was communicating with someone on line? Someone could have thought Lindsey was Kayla especially if she was leaving Kayla's house.

This is bad...

that is a really good thought I wonder if LE has put that together yet?....they need to talk to the girls and find out what was going on...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 12:20:34 AM
you would think that her cell phone would tell all but didn't LE say that the cell checked out okay?

Did they check all of the girls cell phones and computers? It could have been another girl communicating with someone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 12:20:39 AM
Who I'd like to meet:
basically anyone that i can relate to

that is a scary statement...

yes it is, we understand how that is taken and wonder why someone that young would post something like that.  definitely sounds like something an older person would say.

these kids are grown up way more than your basic 10 yr old, or even your 13 year old.  so we have to realize that age in numbers mean nothing.  we have to research this case as what would a teenager be doing, saying, who they hang out with etc.  and kids who are friends with adults.  we can't look at this case like we have some very young little girl, even though she is, she is going to be attracting predators who would also target older kids/teens etc.   This is why it is so important to get a feel for the victim and what their interests/personalities, etc are.  otherwise we will be way off on finding who might be targeting them.

I agree...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 12:22:30 AM
you would think that her cell phone would tell all but didn't LE say that the cell checked out okay?

Did they check all of the girls cell phones and computers? It could have been another girl communicating with someone.

I think that they said that they just checked Lindsey's but you are right they need to check them all and the parents need to reinforce this...there could be more of them in danger....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:24:26 AM
you would think that her cell phone would tell all but didn't LE say that the cell checked out okay?

well LE will say everything seems okay even if it isn't, they do it all the time.  just like saying the dog picked up no scent, we know that is crazy, dogs pick up scent when they know exactly where she was.  they trailed her I am sure, they just are saying they didn't.  I am sure they know a lot more than they are saying.  I read where they have something like 14 fbi agents searching the net.  see everything is not all checking out yet. 

the thing is, they can easily miss something.  it is so hard to start tracking everything.  and whose phone are people calling on?  who's sites are they chatting on, whose computer are they usinng to access chatrooms. 
unless they start checking everyone's computers and phones, we don't know what they were doinng where.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 12:31:23 AM
did you see the comment that said june 28 2:40 pm.....it says that Lindsey is on line... i'm scared wonder who is on her page?.....

why would that scare the girl?.....wouldn't she think that it was the police or lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:32:57 AM
when I am going to all these myspace pages I am really locking up my computer ugh.  would not supprise me at all if they are tracking everyone going on those sites.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:33:11 AM
All aspects encompassing Lindsey's liberal lifestyle must be revealed and taken into consideration if LE is able to conduct an effective investigation into her disappearance.  The truth will not be forthcoming by pretending that Lindsey led a very sheltered life.

I concede that I harbor some anger toward the adults in Lindsey's life ... adults who had the responsibility to protect this child but ... I do not have a heart of stone.  My heart breaks for the two mothers involved.  Both woman must be experiencing a living H--- as they are forced to live with the choices made last Friday evening.

However ... ... a little missing girl named Lindsey is my focus.  My tears are for her.

Janet


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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 12:36:27 AM
Who I'd like to meet:
basically anyone that i can relate to

that is a scary statement...

yes it is, we understand how that is taken and wonder why someone that young would post something like that.  definitely sounds like something an older person would say.

these kids are grown up way more than your basic 10 yr old, or even your 13 year old.  so we have to realize that age in numbers mean nothing.  we have to research this case as what would a teenager be doing, saying, who they hang out with etc.  and kids who are friends with adults.  we can't look at this case like we have some very young little girl, even though she is, she is going to be attracting predators who would also target older kids/teens etc.   This is why it is so important to get a feel for the victim and what their interests/personalities, etc are.  otherwise we will be way off on finding who might be targeting them.

I agree DD, these girls act much older then 10 or even 13. If they are on line and acting as though they are older, I would assume in real life they are the same way and it could have been someone who is in that area. What is the profile of a man who targets teens? How old? What would they drive or dress like?
This is what I would think. A man in his late 20's to early 40's, who drives a car which may be a little younger then what a person of that range may drive, maybe like a scion or something like that. He would dress a bit younger, trying to be hip(do kids use that word? lol)  As a profession I would think maybe a high school or middle school teacher, counselor, manager at a place kids frequent example a video/dvd store or maybe cell phone retail? I think it would be a person in authority, this would appeal to a young girl.
Did someone see her walk away? How far was she, do we know? I can imagine a man in a car coming up to her who she knew and asking if she wanted a ride...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:36:35 AM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 12:39:40 AM
 It was posted on Kaylas page by PurpleSunglasses


 Jun 28 2009 2:40 PM

Lindsey's myspace said she was online im scared who was on hers

you have to scroll down for awhile...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:40:03 AM
this is wesley kampen on the mom kara's page. 
because lindsey's pic is on kara's page I am going to follow the pages from her site
http://www.myspace.com/fit4you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 12:46:02 AM
this is wesley kampen on the mom kara's page. 
because lindsey's pic is on kara's page I am going to follow the pages from her site
http://www.myspace.com/fit4you

keep searching I think this could be myspace related...I have to get off of here now....night monkeys


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 12:48:33 AM
this is wesley kampen on the mom kara's page
because lindsey's pic is on kara's page I am going to follow the pages from her site
http://www.myspace.com/fit4you

Who's myspace page? the mom or the girls?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:48:58 AM
this is wesley kampen on the mom kara's page. 
because lindsey's pic is on kara's page I am going to follow the pages from her site
http://www.myspace.com/fit4you

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=35338297


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 01:03:09 AM
DD I am confused. Can you or someone please post a myspace link map with who's is who's?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:05:06 AM
this is wesley kampen on the mom kara's page
because lindsey's pic is on kara's page I am going to follow the pages from her site
http://www.myspace.com/fit4you

Who's myspace page? the mom or the girls?

lindsey's friend is kayla, she was at her house
kara is kayla's mother
lindsey and kayla(using lindsey's avatar/photo with lindsey's name on it) are both friends on Kara's page

so all the friends on kara's page has linked access to kayla and lindseys page.
so I am going to see who all is linked to kara's page who could see lindsey on there



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:11:47 AM
DD I am confused. Can you or someone please post a myspace link map with who's is who's?

I can make a list, but right now I am just trying to copy this stuff because it will all poof, it always does. 

for the most part this is what is going on.

lindsey has at least two myspaces.  she is "disturbed" and "twighlight freak"
kayla is the girl's whose house lindsey was at.  kayla's mother is kara
both lindsey and kayla are listed as "freinds" on Kara's page, so Kara knows full well the girls were on myspace. they were posting on kara's page.

when you go to lindsey and kayla's pages you find their friends, who are many other young girls out of mccleary. 

kylar is the brother of kayla, he has a myspace page I listed back there too. 
then there is the 17 year old girl whose baby died and kylar calls her sis, she is also on kara's page so she might be an older sister of kylar and kayla.


what I am doing now is going on kara's page and see who all the friends are on her page, because all of these friends will see the pics of lindsey on kara's page and click and end up right on lindsey's page.  some of these people are on the friends list of lindsey and also on kayla's page (where kayla is using the photo of lindsey)  so lindsey's photo is linking to all these friends. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 01:14:45 AM
The person who has abducted Lindsey is a traveling salesman. Possibly in Insurance, Home Improvement, Gutter Protection, Roofing, Wet Sealing a basement.

This person was passing through her community or a surrounding community and saw a crime of opportunity.

The abductor drives a SUV or some type of truck that lends credence to his profession.

Interesting..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:15:02 AM
this is michelle flodstrom, she is on kara's page, kayla's page etc,  she seems to be a good friend or maybe relative.  there is another person with the flodstrom name who is on their pages also.  so I wil go through her page also.
here is her space
http://www.myspace.com/wickeddiva13


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:19:53 AM
here is mike floodstrom page he is 17
he is linked to lindsey / kayla /kara pages
he is in aberdeen city alabama
http://www.myspace.com/mizichael13


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:23:21 AM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 01:24:11 AM
Thanks DD. My computer is not liking these myspace pages. Keeps freezing.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:30:11 AM
Thanks DD. My computer is not liking these myspace pages. Keeps freezing.



yes it is really really bad on these myspace page, I keep locking up really bad.  they are probably montoring them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:35:06 AM
I need some sleep with see who some of these people are tomorrow.  check to see if any of them are on the so lists anywhere, and whatever else I might find.  see where they are posting etc. 

you would think as much as these kids are online the way they are, they must be somewhere in some chatroom. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 01:36:11 AM
Funny both Michelle Flodstrom and Westley both have that same type of introspective postings. do they link? I didn't see  him on her friend list, but Kayla's mom is friends with both?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 01:37:38 AM
I wonder if there is a yahoo group for this area?  I will check.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2009, 01:39:13 AM
Thank you DD -- for all that you do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2009, 01:43:33 AM
Slightly O/T - does anyone know where I could find some statistics regarding the abductions from meeting online, or any other such numbers for predators, etc.  I will make it my mission to get this into the hands of parents in my "little" community where kids do roam at night.  Yes, it is considered a "Charlie Brown" kind of place -- one road in and same road out, folks don't lock their doors, etc. etc., but no it's not liberal.

    *  One in five U.S. teenagers who regularly log on to the Internet say they have received an unwanted sexual solicitation via the Web. Solicitations were defined as requests to engage in sexual activities or sexual talk, or to give personal sexual information.


    * 25% of children have been exposed to unwanted pornographic material online.
     

    * Only 1/3 of households with Internet access are actively protecting their children with filtering or blocking software.
     

    * 75% of children are willing to share personal information online about themselves and their family in exchange for goods and services.
     
    * Only approximately 25% of children who encountered a sexual approach or solicitation told a parent or adult.
     

    * One in 33 youth received an aggressive sexual solicitation in the past year. This means a predator asked a young person to meet somewhere, called a young person on the phone, and/or sent the young person correspondence, money, or gifts through the U.S. Postal Service.
     
    * 77% of the targets for online predators were age 14 or older.  Ano


http://enough.org/inside.php?id=2UXKJWRY8

Thank you so much -- it may be a small community, but this news is going to travel fast -- I'm even going to write an article for our "weekly" newspaper.  Again, thanks to all for such sound advice and solid information.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 01:46:55 AM
Only 2 I could find, one for the occult (scary and I will now have nightmares!) and one for stay at home moms who home school children. But as you know from the Cantu threads, research is not my thing.

Where do teens go to chat? Is there a popular site?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 03:24:10 AM
Only 2 I could find, one for the occult (scary and I will now have nightmares!) and one for stay at home moms who home school children. But as you know from the Cantu threads, research is not my thing.

Where do teens go to chat? Is there a popular site?

Most teens chat in IM's. They use AIM or Yahoo Messenger etc.

Kayla (Lindsey's friend who is using her picture) didn't start using Lindsey's picture until after Lindsey went missing. She had a picture of her herself (Kayla did) when her page was first checked. klaas posted it early in the thread.  She is using the one circulated by the media.

Neither of Lindsey's pages had Lindsey's picture on it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 03:43:08 AM
(http://media.komonews.com/images/090630_baum_vigil.jpg)
Hundreds light candles for missing McCleary girl

Story Updated: Jun 30, 2009 at 11:51 PM PDT
By KOMO Staff & News Services
MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Friends and townspeople gathered Tuesday night in the small Western Washington community of McCleary in a candlelight vigil for a missing 10-year-old girl.

Earlier in the day, the search continued for Lindsey Baum, both in town and on nearby trails as searchers on horseback checked areas they could reach.

Ebony Bickmore was among the hundreds gathered. Holding a candle, she prayed for her friend's safe return.

"My sister, Ashley, was bawling, because she thinks it's horrible that someone would do this to a little girl, a baby, pretty much," she said.

Troopers have searched the area by air. Dogs combed the ground and crews sifted through the wetland. But the search has turned up no clues into the girl's mysterious disappearance.

Investigators found a bag of clothes along Highway 8 Tuesday morning, but they don't believe the found clothes are related to the missing girl.

Melissa Baum fears her daughter was abducted.

"I don't really think she's in McCleary," she said. "Because McCleary has been torn upside-down and I just feel if she was here in McCleary she'd be found by now."

But the mother has not given up hope.

"In my heart I know she's alive, but I need her home," she said. "If somebody does have her, just let her go. Drop her off at a restaurant or gas station where she can get to a phone and call."

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said several tips have been received, and investigators would like to talk to anyone who may have seen anything suspicious in McCleary between the hours of 8:30-10 Friday night when the little girl failed to return home from a friend's house. A tipline has been set up at (866) 915-8299.

Deputies said for those outside the area wanting to help, it's difficult to find things for them to do, but police do have a message for those who live in the area:

"The biggest thing to get the message to check their areas around their home get their neighbors involved in checking the areas around the houses," said Lt. David Porter with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49581997.html
Lindsey is 4 foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 09:49:06 AM
Thanks DD. My computer is not liking these myspace pages. Keeps freezing.



yes it is really really bad on these myspace page, I keep locking up really bad.  they are probably montoring them.
First we appreciate all your hard work. There is a poster on another forum that won't give the name but the initial M, could she be talking about this Michelle Flodstrom? This person seems to think this M person knows more about Lindsey  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 01, 2009, 10:08:29 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529688,00.html?test=latestnews

Searchers on Horseback Hunt for Signs of Missing Washington Girl
Wednesday, July 01, 2009


Searchers on horseback hunted for signs of a missing 10-year-old Washington girl in her small hometown of McCleary and on nearby trails in areas they could reach.

Friends and townspeople gathered Tuesday night in the small Western Washington community for a candlelight vigil for Lindsey Baum, who has been missing since Friday night when she went to play with a friend.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott says several tips have been received, and investigators would like to talk to anyone who may have seen anything suspicious in McCleary between the hours of 8:30 p.m. and 10 p.m. Friday when the little girl failed to return home from the friend's house.

Melissa Baum fears her daughter was abducted.

Lindsey is 4 foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Anyone with any information is asked to call the Grays Harbor Emergency 911 Center at (360) 533-8765.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 10:47:00 AM
I don't know how to find things like the rest, but on another forum a name jumped out at me, and maybe this person knows Lindsey.  Marilyn Lachester, lives on 1st street. Might have a son around Lindsey's age.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 01, 2009, 11:26:33 AM
Missing McCleary Girl: 5 Days And Still No Sign Of Lindsey Baum
FBI And The National Center For Missing And Exploited Children Join Search For 10-year-old Lindsey Baum

MCCLEARY - It has now been 5 days since anyone has seen 10-year old Lindsey Baum from the small town of McCleary, 25 miles west of Olympia. The FBI along with the National Center For Missing And Exploited children has now joined the search.

Lindsey disappeared Friday night as she walked from a friend's house to her own home. Her mom called police when Lindsey failed to show up around 10 p.m. that night.

Tuesday night friends and McCleary area residents gathered for a candlelight vigil for Lindsey. Earlier in the day, searchers used planes and helicopters to search from the air while ground crews on horses and motorcycles combed nearby trails for any sign of the missing 10-year old. Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rich Scott says several tips have come in and investigators want to talk with anyone who saw anything suspicious in McCleary between 8:30 p.m. and 10 p.m. Friday night.

Melissa Baum talked with Q13 FOX News Monday night. She says she's hoping against hope that her little girl will be OK.

She says; "I'm trying very hard to avoid thinking about what could be. My heart tells me she's alive. I actually feel like she's alive but every hour that goes by is getting harder and harder and I feel like we're running out of time we've got to find her."

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Richard Scott said he's not sure what happened to Baum.

"This is a girl with no means, no money, and no true opportunity to leave. We have nothing specifically that is pointing us in any direction that is going to allow us to rule out any scenario.... this may be a worst case scenario criminal investigation involving a predator or predatory behavior," Scott said.

Police officers, Sheriff's deputies and volunteers spent hours passing out fliers and looking for the girl over the weekend.

On Sunday night, the FBI and local law enforcement started stopping every car that passed through McCleary. Agents passed out flyers with the girl's picture and checked to see if the drivers were in the area Friday night and had any information on the case.

The girl's family is extremely worried and said it's hard to even think about what might have happened.

"Everybody's on eggshells and stressed and we just want to know where she is and what's going on," friend Melissa McCann told Q13 FOX News. McCann said the girl's mother has not slept since Lindsey went missing.

Throughout the weekend, searchers combed the small town door by door, leaving a flyer on every business, checking neighborhoods, then checking them again.

"We're with search and rescue and we'd like permission to search your back yard," said one volunteer as she knocked on yet another door in the neighborhood where Lindsey was last seen.

"Everybody knows everybody's business and we'd have expected that if she was still in town. Somebody would have notified us and we haven't had that, unfortunately," says Dave Pimentel, Deputy Chief of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

Lindsey Baum was visiting her friend Michaela Kampen Friday night. Michaela's mother Kara Kampen says it started getting late and she sent Lindsey home.

"They had asked to spend the night and we had plans and we said 'not tonight' so she headed home," says Kampen. "It's reality check for all parents that this could happen in McCleary of all places."

Lindsey's mother called 911 and searchers hit the streets, combing the five-block walk to Lindsey's home.

The small logging community of McCleary is now united by a single cause: finding a missing child.

"I have children also and if my child came up missing I'd want somebody to help me," said Timothy Day, who came to the McCleary police station and volunteered to help with the search.

It's help McCleary police desperately need.

"They only have three officers in the department, including the chief," said Pimentel.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office is backing up McCleary police and right now they're confident in their efforts.

The McCleary police chief has decided against issuing an Amber Alert for the girl.

"We checked the state criteria and it just didn't meet it," explains George Crumb, McCleary's Chief of Police.

Although investigators are not calling Lindsey a runaway, not even the girl's family has ruled out the possibility.

Lindsey is 4'9" tall and 80 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a gray sweatshirt with blue jeans and black shoes.

If you can help in this case, call the Grays Harbor 911 center at 1-800-281-6944.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-062709-missinggirl,0,6893810.story


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: MuffyBee on July 01, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
Thank you for the update NRose.  I hope today will bring news of Lindsey, that she is found safe and can be reunited with her family.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 01, 2009, 12:00:54 PM
Interesting...page 12...

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
NN1, AND SUMITHRYO, I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 01, 2009, 12:13:05 PM
Interesting...page 12...

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
NN1, AND SUMITHRYO, I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"


I just went back in and the link was changed. Here is the new link - now 2nd post

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 12:16:47 PM
A RED FLAG??  FOOD FOR THOUGHT??


Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
Interesting...page 12...

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
NN1, AND SUMITHRYO, I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

That is very interesting, and the post I made above, Marilyn Lachester who lives on First St, people are suggesting is that poster. I have no idea.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:23:36 PM
Only 2 I could find, one for the occult (scary and I will now have nightmares!) and one for stay at home moms who home school children. But as you know from the Cantu threads, research is not my thing.

Where do teens go to chat? Is there a popular site?

can you link me to the occult group for mccleary please

teens are everywhere chatting online.  they can make their own chatrooms, call them anything they want to call them.  they chat in game rooms too.  heck I have seen 13 yr old in serial killer chatrooms.  A lot more than you would think they would be ugh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 12:24:37 PM
A RED FLAG??  FOOD FOR THOUGHT??


Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2
That doesn't make much sense, and I wonder what clues about who was in the area.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:26:11 PM
Only 2 I could find, one for the occult (scary and I will now have nightmares!) and one for stay at home moms who home school children. But as you know from the Cantu threads, research is not my thing.

Where do teens go to chat? Is there a popular site?

Most teens chat in IM's. They use AIM or Yahoo Messenger etc.

Kayla (Lindsey's friend who is using her picture) didn't start using Lindsey's picture until after Lindsey went missing. She had a picture of her herself (Kayla did) when her page was first checked. klaas posted it early in the thread.  She is using the one circulated by the media.

Neither of Lindsey's pages had Lindsey's picture on it.

thanks for that info, sorry I had missed that early on, I got here a bit late ugh. 
okay that is good to know those pics were up before she went missing


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Only 2 I could find, one for the occult (scary and I will now have nightmares!) and one for stay at home moms who home school children. But as you know from the Cantu threads, research is not my thing.

Where do teens go to chat? Is there a popular site?

can you link me to the occult group for mccleary please

teens are everywhere chatting online.  they can make their own chatrooms, call them anything they want to call them.  they chat in game rooms too.  heck I have seen 13 yr old in serial killer chatrooms.  A lot more than you would think they would be ugh.
I can't help you, sorry. But I wonder if you came across this Marilyn Lachester who lives on First St? Talk on another forum she has a son who is around Lindsey's age. Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 12:27:36 PM
Interesting...page 12...

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
NN1, AND SUMITHRYO, I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"


I just went back in and the link was changed. Here is the new link - now 2nd post

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html
I'm sorry I can't find the second post  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:29:29 PM
Thanks DD. My computer is not liking these myspace pages. Keeps freezing.



yes it is really really bad on these myspace page, I keep locking up really bad.  they are probably montoring them.
First we appreciate all your hard work. There is a poster on another forum that won't give the name but the initial M, could she be talking about this Michelle Flodstrom? This person seems to think this M person knows more about Lindsey  ::MonkeyConfused::

can you please link me to that forum so I can see what they are saying about that M person. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:33:44 PM
I don't know how to find things like the rest, but on another forum a name jumped out at me, and maybe this person knows Lindsey.  Marilyn Lachester, lives on 1st street. Might have a son around Lindsey's age.

BURNS, MARIE ELLEN  (Age 74)

Associated names:

 BURNS, MARILYN A
 BURNS, MARIE ELLEN
 BURNS, MARILYN M
 LACHESTER, MARILYN A
 LACHESTER,  M
 

 FRIANT, CA
AUBERRY, CA
CLOVIS, CA
MCCLEARY, WA
FRESNO, CA

Possible Relatives:

BURNS, RODNEY J (Age 51)
BARCELLOS, SANDRA DEE (Age 49)
BURNS, BOBDALE (Age 79)
BURNS, MICHELLE K (Age 47)
BURNS, BOB D (Age 52)
TOBER, CATHERINE M (Age 51)
NORMAN, BONNIE MARIE (Age 74)
BURNS, BRYON E
BURNS, BILL G

Possible Roommates / Associates:

LACHESTER, MARILYN A (Age 31)
LACHESTER, MARILYN A (Age 31)




 LACHESTER, MARILYN A (Age 31)

Associated names:

 BURNS,  MARILYN
 LACHESTER,  M
 

 MCCLEARY, WA

 Possible Relatives:

LACHESTER, FESTER (Age 49)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BURNS, MARIEELLEN (Age 74)
LACHESTER, MARILYN A (Age 31)
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
Interesting...page 12...

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
NN1, AND SUMITHRYO, I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"


that is the person I just posted their name and connected people.   whoa!!! let me go read over there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 12:41:06 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85783&page=16     and page 15 and 17 as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:49:35 PM
I am over on the king5 comments where M is posting. now you can see only the first page, the other pages are poof?  is anyone else able to get to the previous pages on there?

now that I think about it, I saw that name someone yesterday.  because I saw it and thought at first it said molester.  so I was looking at myspaces all day yesterday and also I did the list of people living on the streets, hmmm where did I see that name. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:52:17 PM
I don't know if this is the same person
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:HVj5Aq9pgsQJ:www.bookofmatches.com/my/page/MLACHESTER.htm+mlachester&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:53:39 PM
LACHESTER IV, FESTUS Male,  Age: 28   
  ID:51705





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Book-No Statute:   46.61.502 - Driving Under the Influence
146279 Offense:   DUI - DUI Alcohol or Drugs
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
4/19/2006 08:30  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
4/20/2006 08:30 Disposition:   GUI-Guilty
      Seq# 1



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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342(b) - Drive W/License Susp/Revoked 2
151518 Offense:   TODC - Driving Complaint
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
12/2/2006 09:00  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
12/3/2006 09:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
      Seq# 1



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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342(b) - Drive W/License Susp/Revoked 2
168104 Offense:   TODC - Driving Complaint
 Arrest Type:   CIT
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
11/7/2008 01:10  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $500.00 
11/7/2008 03:10 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond
      Seq# 1



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Book-No Statute:   46.61.502 - Driving Under the Influence
168104 Offense:   DUI - DUI Alcohol or Drugs
 Arrest Type:   CIT
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
11/7/2008 01:10  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $1,000.00 
11/7/2008 03:10 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond
      Seq# 1



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Book-No Statute:   46.61.525 - Negligent Driving 1
170442 Offense:   TODC - Driving Complaint
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
2/28/2009 09:00  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 12:56:44 PM
I don't know if this is the same person
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:HVj5Aq9pgsQJ:www.bookofmatches.com/my/page/MLACHESTER.htm+mlachester&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
I think it is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 12:57:23 PM
ages are weird, arrested one must be a son?

LACHESTER, FESTUS  (Age 51)
 FLORENCE, OR
BAKERSFIELD, CA

Possible Relatives:

BRIDGES, JANET LOUISE (Age 60)



  LACHESTER, FESTUS
 NEAH BAY, WA   



  FESTUS, LACHESTER

Associated names:

 LACHESTER, FESTUS
 LACHESTER, FESTUS
 LACHESTER, FESTUS
 LANCHESTER, FESTUS
 MONTESANO, WA
ABERDEEN, WA

 Possible Relatives:

LACHESTER, CHRISTINE
LACHESTER, ESTUS (Age 49)



  LACHESTER, FESTUS L
 NEAH BAY, WA   



  LACHESTER, FESTUS  (Age 28)
  LACEY, WA   



  LACHESTER, FESTER  (Age 49)
  MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

BURNS, MARIEELLEN (Age 74)
LACHESTER, MARILYN A (Age 31)  


  LACHESTER, FESTUS
 SURPRISE, AZ   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
And supposedly this Marilyn has a son about Lindsey's age.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 01:31:58 PM
Interesting...page 12...

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
NN1, AND SUMITHRYO, I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"


Now I won't get into details because it is not my business to share but I will let you know immediately that we know who this poster is and she is full of ____. First off I know that Lindsey was not abused and that this lady is simply trying to stir things up because of an old beef that she apparently has not been able to get over. She needs to grow up. Even the cops said "Oh yeah (insert eye rolling here) we know who that is." - That is just the type of person she is. The fact that she has a child just slightly older than Lindsey and is more concerned with airing personal issues then trying to help find Lindsey is sad, very sad.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:32:23 PM
there are a LOT of lachesters in Makah, Ozette, and Quillaynte Indian Reservations, Clallam, Washington, Makah Indian Reservation, Clallam, Washington


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:34:02 PM
Interesting...page 12...

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
NN1, AND SUMITHRYO, I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"


Now I won't get into details because it is not my business to share but I will let you know immediately that we know who this poster is and she is full of ____. First off I know that Lindsey was not abused and that this lady is simply trying to stir things up because of an old beef that she apparently has not been able to get over. She needs to grow up. Even the cops said "Oh yeah (insert eye rolling here) we know who that is." - That is just the type of person she is. The fact that she has a child just slightly older than Lindsey and is more concerned with airing personal issues then trying to help find Lindsey is sad, very sad.


kara, do you think she might know where lindsey is?  does she live close to where lindsey was no longer seen on her way home? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 01:37:34 PM
Interesting...page 12...

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
NN1, AND SUMITHRYO, I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"


Now I won't get into details because it is not my business to share but I will let you know immediately that we know who this poster is and she is full of ____. First off I know that Lindsey was not abused and that this lady is simply trying to stir things up because of an old beef that she apparently has not been able to get over. She needs to grow up. Even the cops said "Oh yeah (insert eye rolling here) we know who that is." - That is just the type of person she is. The fact that she has a child just slightly older than Lindsey and is more concerned with airing personal issues then trying to help find Lindsey is sad, very sad.


Thanks for that information Kara. Do police know about this person? They should.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 01:37:36 PM
MARILYN LACHESTER   
343 1ST ST   
MCCLEARY, WA  98557

I don't know the date she lived at this address, but it is not too long before you get to lindseys, but it is down 1st street a bit, not where you would walk right past it. 

and I guess lindsey did not go past the business so she would not have got to this lady's house unless someone picked her up and gave her a ride there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 01:39:52 PM
KaraK I saw you mention on another board that Lindsey walked a different route home? Or was I seeing things? Do you know what route she walked home and where exactly she was last seen?

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 01:40:40 PM
Well, I do hope the police are aware of this Marilyn, is she unstable?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 01:41:34 PM
Could she have went past businesses and was just walking outside of camera range? I imagine they are all pointed at different angles. Just babbling and trying to make sense out of what little info we do have....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 01:49:24 PM
A RED FLAG??  FOOD FOR THOUGHT??


Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2

They have cars and license plates of people in the area at that time..?
 Something good for the police to go ask questions to see if there are any witness.
Hope for the best, but you would think that the best would have already called it in, a small town like this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 02:01:47 PM
A RED FLAG??  FOOD FOR THOUGHT??


Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2

They have cars and license plates of people in the area at that time..?
 Something good for the police to go ask questions to see if there are any witness.
Hope for the best, but you would think that the best would have already called it in, a small town like this.

Edward

My point was that Lindsey did not appear on surviellence videos along the route she would have walked on her way home.  Why?

Something is hinky.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 02:11:07 PM
A RED FLAG??  FOOD FOR THOUGHT??


Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2

They have cars and license plates of people in the area at that time..?
 Something good for the police to go ask questions to see if there are any witness.
Hope for the best, but you would think that the best would have already called it in, a small town like this.

Edward

My point was that Lindsey did not appear on surviellence videos along the route she would have walked on her way home.  Why?

Something is hinky.

Janet


When you consider the above words of Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott ... as of yesterday LE were aware of the route that Lindsey would have taken in her walk home.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 02:23:03 PM
A RED FLAG??  FOOD FOR THOUGHT??


Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2

They have cars and license plates of people in the area at that time..?
 Something good for the police to go ask questions to see if there are any witness.
Hope for the best, but you would think that the best would have already called it in, a small town like this.

Edward

My point was that Lindsey did not appear on surviellence videos along the route she would have walked on her way home.  Why?

Something is hinky.

Janet
I agree, something is off on all this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 02:25:22 PM
That is very interesting, and the post I made above, Marilyn Lachester who lives on First St, people are suggesting is that poster. I have no idea.
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Yes that is who that poster and I don't believe she lives there anymore. They moved. Either way she is ridiculous and she is trying to put a spin on this that has already been ruled out. Lindsey was not abused ever, do kids get angry at their parents? Hell yeah they do and when you have some crazy adult like mlachester hoping for a way to lash out that upset child's mother (do to a past confrontation between the adults) it leads to unnecessary and unfounded BS.

For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 02:27:47 PM
Could she have went past businesses and was just walking outside of camera range? I imagine they are all pointed at different angles. Just babbling and trying to make sense out of what little info we do have....

You could be right but ... I would have assumed LE would have indicated that the sidewalk/walking path which Lindsey would have been on in her walk home was outside of camera range of ALL the surviellence cameras.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 02:28:02 PM
That is very interesting, and the post I made above, Marilyn Lachester who lives on First St, people are suggesting is that poster. I have no idea.

Yes that is who that poster and I don't believe she lives there anymore. They moved. Either way she is ridiculous and she is trying to put a spin on this that has already been ruled out. Lindsey was not abused ever, do kids get angry at their parents? Hell yeah they do and when you have some crazy adult like mlachester hoping for a way to lash out that upset child's mother (do to a past confrontation between the adults) it leads to unnecessary and unfounded BS.

For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.
[/quote]Thanks, that's interesting. So Marilyn is unstable, it appears.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 02:46:53 PM
That is very interesting, and the post I made above, Marilyn Lachester who lives on First St, people are suggesting is that poster. I have no idea.

Yes that is who that poster and I don't believe she lives there anymore. They moved. Either way she is ridiculous and she is trying to put a spin on this that has already been ruled out. Lindsey was not abused ever, do kids get angry at their parents? Hell yeah they do and when you have some crazy adult like mlachester hoping for a way to lash out that upset child's mother (do to a past confrontation between the adults) it leads to unnecessary and unfounded BS.

For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.
[/quote]

been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

well its nice to know the dogs DID pick up a trail.  let me see who lives on 6th


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 02:58:16 PM
I'm going to try and cover several areas that have been touched on here and potentially it will answer some questions or give you the info that you are looking for. If I miss something please repost, things are obviously hectic right now so I may or may not be able to answer in timely fashion but I will try to.

- The girls were not banned from having MySpace accounts, after ending up with a virus from one of the games (YoVille)  they access through MySpace they were no longer allowed to be on MySpace. The level of "not allowed" was different between both households.

Lindsey's mom blocked the site from their computer and deleted all computer usernames except for her own which Lindsey did not have the password for.

My daughter was not allowed to go on MySpace from other peoples house or the library computer or be on there when I was not home or right there. I set their computer right next to mine so that I can monitor what they are writing to each other and what they are doing when they are online and what sites they were able to visit.

Posts the girls were making at times when they shouldn't have came from the library computers, primarily. Our biggest concern after checking the sites they had access to was them accessing YoVille where nobody knows who they are talking to and there was no way for us to monitor their activities when they were on it. We were not concerned by the stuff the girls chose to put on their MySpace unless it was cussing or stuff you associate with someone who is far more grown up - simply because they are (especially Lindsey) very unique with their own character and personality and though it sometimes seemed dark that was just her expressing herself in her own way. It to us was like her cutting holes in the knees of all of her brand new jeans.


- Here in McCleary during the school year most of our kids are in the house between 7pm and 8:30 depending on the parents it is pretty universal. When school is not in they have a little more freedom because they don't have to be up early and then curfew becomes be home before the street lights come on. We expect our kids to check in and most of us provide our kids with phones in order to do that and to be able to get a hold of them as well. We fully expect to hear in no time flat when something goes on or they act out because things just spread that fast here.

- I just got done talking with the FBI and I mentioned Marilyn LaChester and they said they will be checking her out and possibly paying a visit. I don't know if they have talked to her quite yet or not but I know the police are familiar with her and may have already spoke with her.

- The path that Lindsey is said to have taken home that night is not normal - as far as when she is leaving my home and heading to hers but it is a street that she is familiar with and has a friend who lives on that street. So there is a good chance that she was bored and possibly was going to ask to stay the night elsewhere or just felt like walking.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 02:59:34 PM
Carroll Cleveland
 120 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
65+
Household: Meredith Cleveland,... 1 

 
 Dennis D Cleveland
 120 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Carroll Cleveland, ... 2 

 
 Mered Cleveland
 120 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Carroll Cleveland, ... 3   

 
 Meredith Cleveland
 120 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Carroll Cleveland, ... 4 

 
 Tom C Cleveland
 120 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Carroll Cleveland, ... 5 

 
 David W Johnson
 121 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
55-59
Household: Pamela G ... 6   


 Pamela G Johnson
 121 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: David W Johnson 7

 
 Robert J Sturges Jr
 124 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Shawna Sturges 8   


 Shawna Sturges
 124 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Robert J ... 9   


 Vicki March
 125 S Sixth St McCleary, WA

Heather Elam
 129 S Sixth St McCleary, WA 
Household: Mary Elam, Tyrone ... 11 

 
 Tyrone Elam
 129 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Mary Elam, Heather ... 12   


 Georgia L Self
 170 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: William N Self 13   


 William N Self
 170 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
65+
Household: Georgia L Self 14   


 Dianna Brown
 201 S Sixth St McCleary, WA 
Household: Ron Brown, Erika ... 15   


 Erika Brown
 201 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Ron Brown, Dianna ... 16   


 Ron Brown
 201 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Erika Brown, Dianna... 17   


 Roy Borgeson
 205 S Sixth St McCleary, WA 18
 
 Marvin Prince
 214 S Sixth St McCleary, WA 19 
 
 Wallace Bentley
 220 S Sixth St McCleary, WA

Angie Daniel
 220 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Daniel R Daniel 21 

 
 Daniel R Daniel
 220 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
55-59
Household: Angie Daniel 22

 
 Jason L Williams
 302 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
 

 
 Chuck Skirko
 308 S Sixth St McCleary, WA 
Household: Tess Skirko 24   


 Tess Skirko
 308 S Sixth St McCleary, WA 
Household: Chuck Skirko 25   

 Ashley Alderman
 327 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
 

26   
 Burton L Kearney
 400 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
65+
Household: Heather Kearney 27   

 Heather Kearney
 400 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: Burton L ... 28   

 Ruben Ponton Sr
 504 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
 

29   
 Bettye J Norris
 510 S Sixth St McCleary, WA 
Household: David L Norris


David L Norris
 510 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
65+
Household: Bettye J Norris 31 

 
 Kay Eaton
 511 S Sixth St McCleary, WA   
Job: Kiddie Corner Daycare, ... 32   

 
 Kay Eaton
 511 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
 

 
 Lola M Bezley
 517 S Sixth St McCleary, WA 

 
 Shannon Rivers
 520 S Sixth St McCleary, WA   
Household: Talas Rivers 35   


 Talas Rivers
 520 S Sixth St McCleary, WA   
Household: Shannon Rivers
 
 Leo Odle
 524 S Sixth St McCleary, WA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: JessStar on July 01, 2009, 03:02:27 PM
This is just aweful.  My heart goes out to you KaraK, Lindsey and her family.  You all are in my prayers, and I especially pray this girl is found safe.  Please pass that along to her family.  We have a very caring group here, and believe me, it's all genuine.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on July 01, 2009, 03:13:24 PM
KaraK~Welcome to SM and thank you for taking time to be here. 

There have been conflicting reports from media so maybe you can clear some things up for us:

The report was that scent dogs could not follow a trail, you have said that they have followed the trail up 6th street.

Another report stated that your daughter walked Lindsey part of the way home, can you elaborate on that?

By all means, if this jeopardizes the investigation please don't answer.

Prayers for Lindsey!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
I'm going to try and cover several areas that have been touched on here and potentially it will answer some questions or give you the info that you are looking for. If I miss something please repost, things are obviously hectic right now so I may or may not be able to answer in timely fashion but I will try to.

- The girls were not banned from having MySpace accounts, after ending up with a virus from one of the games (YoVille)  they access through MySpace they were no longer allowed to be on MySpace. The level of "not allowed" was different between both households.

Lindsey's mom blocked the site from their computer and deleted all computer usernames except for her own which Lindsey did not have the password for.

My daughter was not allowed to go on MySpace from other peoples house or the library computer or be on there when I was not home or right there. I set their computer right next to mine so that I can monitor what they are writing to each other and what they are doing when they are online and what sites they were able to visit.

Posts the girls were making at times when they shouldn't have came from the library computers, primarily. Our biggest concern after checking the sites they had access to was them accessing YoVille where nobody knows who they are talking to and there was no way for us to monitor their activities when they were on it. We were not concerned by the stuff the girls chose to put on their MySpace unless it was cussing or stuff you associate with someone who is far more grown up - simply because they are (especially Lindsey) very unique with their own character and personality and though it sometimes seemed dark that was just her expressing herself in her own way. It to us was like her cutting holes in the knees of all of her brand new jeans.


- Here in McCleary during the school year most of our kids are in the house between 7pm and 8:30 depending on the parents it is pretty universal. When school is not in they have a little more freedom because they don't have to be up early and then curfew becomes be home before the street lights come on. We expect our kids to check in and most of us provide our kids with phones in order to do that and to be able to get a hold of them as well. We fully expect to hear in no time flat when something goes on or they act out because things just spread that fast here.

- I just got done talking with the FBI and I mentioned Marilyn LaChester and they said they will be checking her out and possibly paying a visit. I don't know if they have talked to her quite yet or not but I know the police are familiar with her and may have already spoke with her.

- The path that Lindsey is said to have taken home that night is not normal - as far as when she is leaving my home and heading to hers but it is a street that she is familiar with and has a friend who lives on that street. So there is a good chance that she was bored and possibly was going to ask to stay the night elsewhere or just felt like walking.

Thank you for clearing some things up!

Please know Lindsey, her family and your whole community are in our prayers. We want this little one found safe and back home where she belongs, as quickly as possible.

If there is anything we can do on our end to help, just let us know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 03:18:09 PM
KaraK~Welcome to SM and thank you for taking time to be here. 

There have been conflicting reports from media so maybe you can clear some things up for us:

The report was that scent dogs could not follow a trail, you have said that they have followed the trail up 6th street.

Another report stated that your daughter walked Lindsey part of the way home, can you elaborate on that?

By all means, if this jeopardizes the investigation please don't answer.

Prayers for Lindsey!

Is up sixth street also where the neighbor or the friend of the family saw Lindsey that night? The one that police said saw her on her walk home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 03:21:14 PM
Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew

12:19 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009

By DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News

Courtesy Melissa Baum

A search is under way in the town of McCleary for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

McCLEARY, Wash. -- A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance.

Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

Volunteers and police have been going door-to-door to talk to every person in McCleary.

Officially, search coordinators with the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said they are not leaning any direction yet as to what happened to Lindsey.

Investigators have not found any evidence to suggest she was kidnapped, got lost or just ran away.

Schmidt said the majority of abducted children are taken by people they know.

Video

Air, land search under way for McCleary girl

Girl missing since Friday

Raw SkyKING video of search area

Schmidt said statistically, most abducted children are murdered within 24 hours. But, he said, that doesn’t make searchers give up hope.

“I’ve seen positive results," Schmidt said. "There’s proven cases out there of kids being found a couple of years later."

A spokesperson for Lindsey's mother says the family is holding out hope and trying to stay positive, but as time passes they say that's harder to do.

Late Tuesday night, residents of McCleary gathered in the city park to hold a vigil for a Lindsey, a familiar bright face to many of them.

"Honestly, I know she's alive," Melissa Baum, the missing girl's mother told KING 5. "And I just wanted everybody watching for her."

Baum says she volunteered to take a polygraph. She wanted to clear herself, although police tell us she is not a suspect.

"I don't want people saying oh maybe the mom got mad at her and stashed her and now saying she ran away, I don't want anything like that," says Baum. "I want everyone to know my daughter is missing."

Melissa Baum says she's thankful for all that people have done for her family. Lindsey's father, who lives in Tennessee, is expected to arrive in town on Friday.

Lindsey is 4-foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Anyone with information is asked to call the hotline that has been set up. The number is 1-866-915-8299 or e-mail detectives at: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 03:21:20 PM
so if she went up 6th, instead of east on Maple, then she went down a lot of steets to not get on 3rd.  let me find out who lives on the other streets she would have went down if she went up 6th.  I also would not know if she went up 2nd or 1st once across the highway.

where did the other kids who were walking her partway, leave her ?  wouldn't they know if she went up that street or what?  or did they leave her before she got to 6th?

I did not know where to begin on Maple to get to 6th so I just started there at 6th

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-map6th1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 03:23:04 PM
KaraK, thanks, I'm guessing by what you wrote that Lindsey was a little rebellious?   " simply because they are (especially Lindsey) very unique with their own character and personality and though it sometimes seemed dark that was just her expressing herself in her own way. It to us was like her cutting holes in the knees of all of her brand new jeans. "


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 03:24:30 PM
Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew.        Did she have a boyfriend?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 03:56:35 PM
From over yonder:
Quote
           
I called the Shell gas station. It is called MIKE's MARKET. The lady said they are about 1/2 block away from the main intersection which is a 3-way Stop.

Said they are open till 11pm or 11:30 depending on how busy they are on Fri nights.
She also said technically, they are on Simpson St.

Also said there is a small grocery store nearby but believes it closes at 9 pm.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 03:58:17 PM
I'm going through the names on 6th to see if any sex offenders connected. 
just making notes so I can go through these and see if they are connected/related

I have not checked for connections/relations yet, just trying to get this stuff sorted.

we have some johnsons living at 121 6th
and here is a sex offender named johnson
Name 
 Johnson, Gary Lee
aka.   
Birth Year   1952
Height   5'8
Weight   150
Hair   Bro
Eyes   Blu
Resides   200 Block North F Street,  Aberdeen 
Convictions   Rape 1st Degree Two Counts; Kidnapping 1st Degree Two Counts; Assault 1st Degree



Name 
 Johnson, Ricky L.
aka.   
Birth Year   1969
Height   5'6
Weight   200
Hair   Bro
Eyes   Haz
Resides   Transient Whereabouts unknown, contact Det. Ed McGowan (360) 249-3711 X592 if you have any information about Ricky Johnson's whereabouts.,  Westport 
Convictions   Lewd and Lascivious Acts Upon A Child

____________________



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 04:04:44 PM
we have a williams at 302 6th street

here is williams so
have not connected them to this 302 famliy yet
still sorting

Name 
 Williams, Eugene Merrill
aka.   
Birth Year   1977
Height   5'11
Weight   210
Hair   Bro
Eyes   Blu
Resides   2400 Block Aberdeen Avenue,  Hoquiam 
Convictions   Attempt Kidnapping 2nd Degree Sexually Motivated




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 04:09:28 PM
Interesting post at SM showing pictures of the area:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3924427&postcount=509


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
for the names I have of people living on 6th street, the only last two names I have who match last names in grays harbor so list is for johnson and williams, two VERY common last names.  I will try to see if they are related to the people who are living on 6th.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 04:11:08 PM
Interesting post at SM showing pictures of the area:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3924427&postcount=509
Thanks, that helps getting a feel for the area.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Good some things got cleared up. I was concerned about the pic..Sorry I missed that.

Kara welcome and so glad you can try to enlighten us on details. There is one I am not sure of. did someone watch Lindsey walk for a bit or not? Also, just for my own curiosity. If there is a person in town who has it out for the mom to the point of posting possible slanderous comments and allegations, why is this person not considered a person of interest or a person LE needs to at least talk to?

Pink thanks for posting the pics..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 04:25:23 PM
DD here is the link to the yahoo group

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraysHarborOccultists/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 04:37:09 PM

trying to see if these sex offenders are related to the people living on 6th street mccleary.

we have some johnsons living at 121 6th
_________________________________________


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumgljohnso1.jpg)

Name 
 Johnson, Gary Lee
aka.   
Birth Year   1952
Height   5'8
Weight   150
Hair   Bro
Eyes   Blu
Resides   200 Block North F Street,  Aberdeen 
Convictions   Rape 1st Degree Two Counts; Kidnapping 1st Degree Two Counts; Assault 1st Degree

JOHNSON, GARY LEE (Age 56)
  ROCHESTER, WA
OLYMPIA, WA
NORMANDY PARK, WA
GRAYLAND, WA
SEATTLE, WA
ABERDEEN, WA
HULETT, WY
BULLHEAD CITY, AZ

Possible Relatives:

JOHNSON, NATALIE IRENE (Age 76)
SALINGER, MICHELLE KAVANAGH (Age 60)
JOHNSON, KIM RENEE (Age 52)
JOHNSON, NORMAN C (Age 73)
JOHNSON, MICHAEL J (Age 53)
JOHNSON, RICKY E (Age 46)
JOHNSON, JANETTE NMI (Age 56)
JOHNSON, MARVIN G (Age 53)
JOHNSON, MICHELE ANN

Possible Roommates / Associates:

ACOSTA, TIFFANY M (Age 37)


JOHNSON, GARY L (Age 56)
    ABERDEEN, WA

 Possible Relatives:

JOHNSON, NORMA J (Age 55) 

I don't find any of these johnsons in Mccleary
______________________________________



(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumjricohn1.jpg)

Name 
 Johnson, Ricky L.
aka.   
Birth Year   1969
Height   5'6
Weight   200
Hair   Bro
Eyes   Haz
Resides   Transient Whereabouts unknown, contact Det. Ed McGowan (360) 249-3711 X592 if you have any information about Ricky Johnson's whereabouts.,  Westport 
Convictions   Lewd and Lascivious Acts Upon A Child

____________________




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 04:39:39 PM
KaraK, thanks, I'm guessing by what you wrote that Lindsey was a little rebellious?   " simply because they are (especially Lindsey) very unique with their own character and personality and though it sometimes seemed dark that was just her expressing herself in her own way. It to us was like her cutting holes in the knees of all of her brand new jeans. "

Sorry I am having trouble posting it keeps bumping me. It would be fair to say she was a bit rebellious but only to an extent. She was over all a good girl who was trying to deal with family issues - and by that I mean her dad not being around. Her dad had been around full time until a few years ago and just within the last year I believe she found out that he was not coming back so she was working through it in her own way.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 04:41:04 PM
DD here is the link to the yahoo group

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraysHarborOccultists/

thanks I will go check it out


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 04:43:25 PM
KaraK, thanks, I'm guessing by what you wrote that Lindsey was a little rebellious?   " simply because they are (especially Lindsey) very unique with their own character and personality and though it sometimes seemed dark that was just her expressing herself in her own way. It to us was like her cutting holes in the knees of all of her brand new jeans. "

Sorry I am having trouble posting it keeps bumping me. It would be fair to say she was a bit rebellious but only to an extent. She was over all a good girl who was trying to deal with family issues - and by that I mean her dad not being around. Her dad had been around full time until a few years ago and just within the last year I believe she found out that he was not coming back so she was working through it in her own way.
Thanks, that's understandable.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 04:44:02 PM
Interesting article about Lindsey    http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 04:48:12 PM
KaraK, thanks, I'm guessing by what you wrote that Lindsey was a little rebellious?   " simply because they are (especially Lindsey) very unique with their own character and personality and though it sometimes seemed dark that was just her expressing herself in her own way. It to us was like her cutting holes in the knees of all of her brand new jeans. "

Sorry I am having trouble posting it keeps bumping me. It would be fair to say she was a bit rebellious but only to an extent. She was over all a good girl who was trying to deal with family issues - and by that I mean her dad not being around. Her dad had been around full time until a few years ago and just within the last year I believe she found out that he was not coming back so she was working through it in her own way.


Kara, I use to live in a tiny little town, in fact, I have lived in several tiny little town.  Kids usually congregate somewhere or have favorite places to hang out.  Do you know where that might be?  a park, an arcade, a boys and girls type place, a skate area.  our town had a place called the ledge which was nothing more than a concrete emabankment retaining wall they would sit on and talk to each other. It was at the side of the grocery store. 

if there is a local place to just hang out maybe someone would watch them there, then get to know their habits, somene who lived across the street etc.

what is the name of the school they went to?

are there any known weirdos around who the town thinks is creepy?  if so what street are they on?

any other places etc you can think of that I can try to check to see who is around


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 04:57:30 PM
Interesting article about Lindsey    http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt

okay that article answered a couple of my questions

One of Lindsey’s best friends, 11-year-old Christina Richards, said the two would hang out together at a local creek or the city park and muse about life.

Baum attended school for a short while in Elma, near the McCann home. But this year, she enrolled as a fifth-grader at McCleary School. Her mom said she got along very well with her teacher Lynn Bolster.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on July 01, 2009, 04:58:04 PM
DoubleDecker ~

One of Lindsey’s best friends, 11-year-old Christina Richards, said the two would hang out together at a local creek or the city park and muse about life.

Snipped from http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (TY NRCG)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on July 01, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
I'm slow I guess.  ::MonkeyEek::  That was an interesting article, gave a more personal side of who Lindsey is. IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
KaraK, thanks, I'm guessing by what you wrote that Lindsey was a little rebellious?   " simply because they are (especially Lindsey) very unique with their own character and personality and though it sometimes seemed dark that was just her expressing herself in her own way. It to us was like her cutting holes in the knees of all of her brand new jeans. "

Sorry I am having trouble posting it keeps bumping me. It would be fair to say she was a bit rebellious but only to an extent. She was over all a good girl who was trying to deal with family issues - and by that I mean her dad not being around. Her dad had been around full time until a few years ago and just within the last year I believe she found out that he was not coming back so she was working through it in her own way.


Kara, I use to live in a tiny little town, in fact, I have lived in several tiny little town.  Kids usually congregate somewhere or have favorite places to hang out.  Do you know where that might be?  a park, an arcade, a boys and girls type place, a skate area.  our town had a place called the ledge which was nothing more than a concrete emabankment retaining wall they would sit on and talk to each other. It was at the side of the grocery store. 

if there is a local place to just hang out maybe someone would watch them there, then get to know their habits, somene who lived across the street etc.

what is the name of the school they went to?

are there any known weirdos around who the town thinks is creepy?  if so what street are they on?

any other places etc you can think of that I can try to check to see who is around

From the article no rose posted. (thank you btw)
Quote
One of Lindsey’s best friends, 11-year-old Christina Richards, said the two would hang out together at a local creek or the city park and muse about life.

“I asked her a question when I first met her about where she would go if she were to run away and I said I’d want to run away to the Bahamas. She didn’t want to.” Christina says Lindsey wanted to stay here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 05:04:03 PM
::giggles::

I love it when all of us monkeys share one brain.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Beerbower park, mccleary. 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-beerbower-park1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 05:07:09 PM
Interesting article about Lindsey    http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt

Thanks for posting this article. It really gives good insight into the young girl. What stuck out to me was she worked the front counter of the dollar store. I wonder if anyone ever was seen talking with her, maybe giving her a little more interest then is normal?

Also, she loved to write and muse about life. Two myspace pages come to mind, the man Wesley something and then the woman, Michelle I think? Not saying they had anything to do with this, but maybe they had a conversation with lindsey recently?

I want to add the police are said to be looking high and low and doing everything they can to find this girl. That is not true if there is not an amber alert.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 05:11:56 PM
Thanks for the pic DD.  I have a question.  A family friend sent the brother home when he and Lindsey were fighting. Who is that family friend, do you know? And is it true, that Lindsey did not have anyone walk with her, not even part of the way? Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 05:12:22 PM
Quote
The girl’s route home would have taken her from her friend’s house in the 600 block of Maple Street, along the residential street with no sidewalks.

She would have walked down Maple and would have had to cross 3rd Street, which is a main road in the town and has a crosswalk. At that point she would have had a short walk through a a commercial area, including a nearby bus station and a gas station. She would have had to cross the larger street, then back onto a residential street without a sidewalk and head down to her house at the 300 block of Mommsen Street, a dead-end residential neighborhood within view of the police station.

But a minute or two before she crossed 3rd Street, she disappeared. A neighbor spotted her about two-thirds of the way home, Scott said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba9ab562a5957341684.txt

Quote
The friend who last saw Lindsey also addressed the crowd. She said the girls asked if Lindsey could spend the night at her house, but when her parents said no, the girls parted.

“I saw her at the end of Maple (Street),” the girl said. “I always think if my mom and me would’ve done something different this wouldn’t have happened.”

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699.txt


Route questioned answered!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 05:12:52 PM
on the mccleary school website they were doing a bunch of construction.

who was hired to do the construction?  was it an out of town company?

was it local?  who was on the jobsite around the students?

http://web.me.com/anthaholt/School_Construction/May_7_to_21.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 05:14:44 PM
There is an area behind the Simpson Mill that is wooded and has a creek that runs through it and a bunch of the local kids would go back there and hang out until I found out about it and Simpson was notified that they were going back there. My kids quit going but I am not sure about the other kids. I did let all of them know that if I heard about them being back there that I'd call the police immediately and I believe the majority of them, at least, quit going there.

It was an area that some people went to play in the creek but you could tell by the surroundings that some people simply went there to drink. So it was not somewhere we wanted them going.

The only other hang out that they had besides our houses and the library (occasionally) was the park which is right next door to the police station here.

As for creepy people there really was no one at all that the kids had ever mentioned nor that I saw and I honestly tried to keep an eye on people normally. If you've seen my daughter you know she's mixed and we've had people be rude to her over  it (never here though that and the statistics of the town are why we moved here) so we got pretty good at people watching.

We are all still really digging with all the local kids to see if they ever ran across someone that made them feel uncomfortable and have not gotten much.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 05:16:22 PM
on the mccleary school website they were doing a bunch of construction.

who was hired to do the construction?  was it an out of town company?

was it local?  who was on the jobsite around the students?

http://web.me.com/anthaholt/School_Construction/May_7_to_21.html

Funny you would ask that it just popped into my head yesterday when we had to drive by the school. I've asked but I don't expect to get an answer on that unless they come across anything interesting. I will ask again though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 05:24:13 PM
Quote
The girl’s route home would have taken her from her friend’s house in the 600 block of Maple Street, along the residential street with no sidewalks.

She would have walked down Maple and would have had to cross 3rd Street, which is a main road in the town and has a crosswalk. At that point she would have had a short walk through a a commercial area, including a nearby bus station and a gas station. She would have had to cross the larger street, then back onto a residential street without a sidewalk and head down to her house at the 300 block of Mommsen Street, a dead-end residential neighborhood within view of the police station.

But a minute or two before she crossed 3rd Street, she disappeared. A neighbor spotted her about two-thirds of the way home, Scott said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba9ab562a5957341684.txt

Quote
The friend who last saw Lindsey also addressed the crowd. She said the girls asked if Lindsey could spend the night at her house, but when her parents said no, the girls parted.

“I saw her at the end of Maple (Street),” the girl said. “I always think if my mom and me would’ve done something different this wouldn’t have happened.”

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699.txt


Route questioned answered!


so she did go down maple and not up 6th.  so the dogs first trailed up the hill on 6th?  probably an old trail to the person's house she knew.  dogs will pick up older trails, but they always will pick up on the "freshest" scent to keep tracking. 

so if lindsey did go all the way to the of maple and the girls parted there, then she did not make in in front of the businesses on 3rd street.  so she just poofed right there?  sounds that way.  she must have gotten in a car with someone? just guessing, but how else does she get to the end of maple ready to cross where 3rd is, and never crosses? 

so the police know who was there in the area of 3rd at the time.  but who was at the end of maple? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 05:27:26 PM
on the mccleary school website they were doing a bunch of construction.

who was hired to do the construction?  was it an out of town company?

was it local?  who was on the jobsite around the students?

http://web.me.com/anthaholt/School_Construction/May_7_to_21.html

Funny you would ask that it just popped into my head yesterday when we had to drive by the school. I've asked but I don't expect to get an answer on that unless they come across anything interesting. I will ask again though.

Iwould definitely ask and keep asking, they were there since the first of the year working on the school.  they would have been there all the time possibly seeing and talking to students. 
let me see if I can find out what company it was, after looking at all thost pics on the site it was a BIG company and probably ot local to a town of 1500


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: cookie on July 01, 2009, 05:34:05 PM
Hi Kara....
 I think from the photos shown on here that it looks like you and Lindsey live in a very friendly looking,  quaint little town...a town that most would think would be safe...easy to be lulled into false security I am thinking....a town where everyone knows everyone else perhaps?
did you know before Lindsey went missing that there were sex offenders in your area? you can go online and look up the registered ones...but that doesn't take care of the unregistered ones or the other freaks who are out there roaming around looking for our kids...
no town anywhere is safe and it is really really troubling that our kids can't walk around in their town and be safe...sad sad sad...
How is your daughter holding up through all of this? does she have any ideas?
I am hoping that Lindsey will be found soon and safe! this has to be a living nightmare for all of you...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 05:34:27 PM
so if she went up 6th, instead of east on Maple, then she went down a lot of steets to not get on 3rd.  let me find out who lives on the other streets she would have went down if she went up 6th.  I also would not know if she went up 2nd or 1st once across the highway.

where did the other kids who were walking her partway, leave her ?  wouldn't they know if she went up that street or what?  or did they leave her before she got to 6th?

I did not know where to begin on Maple to get to 6th so I just started there at 6th

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-map6th1.jpg)
bumping this map so I can make sense out of the last few posts! Sorry directionally challenged and all


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 05:40:36 PM
(http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/Lindsey%20Baum/Map1.jpg)

This was made before we knew she was spotted towards the end of maple.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 05:42:33 PM
Thanks Pink you are the greatest. HOnestly it took me 3 months to learn my way around my little town, lol.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 05:42:47 PM
Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia. She sometimes worked the front counter at Baum’s store in Elma, a “dollar store.”
___________________________________________________

is this the right placeMcCleary Community
Olympic Christian Center
117 8th Street McCleary, WA 98557

I'm looking for the mccleary girl scout site ....anyone?

is this the right dollar store in elma, or is it like some little mom and pop biz thing?

Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
360-482-4602


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 05:43:01 PM
Hi my Monkeys in Lindsey's Cage.
I have not posted in Lindsey's cage but have been reading the News on her case.
I just read the article posted about incite on Lindsey, her family and area.

I have seen to that there is a woman here " Kara" who is posting on Lindsey/family/area's behalf. Good to have you here Kara.

My brain keeps going back to the Myspace accts. I just looked at Kayla's myspace. She logged in as of today, she changed her age to 100. I did see her myspace the other day and I can see " believe it or not" that she has added more stuff to her page. One that was certainly not there the other day a survey " Ask me any Bedroom question"  then shows a cartoon of a man and woman in a romantic pose.
Isn't Kayla 10-12 yrs old..  ::MonkeyNoNo::
My Daughter was a myspace nut when she was younger .. 14 and up. She is now grown out of it *almost 19 now- and hardly uses her myspace. Yet my ex's daughter who I claim my own - she just turned 15 and uses her myspace as if it were oxygen. (she does not live with me) She has in the past posted some very suggestive things/pictures/verbage and I have called her out on it. I have told her to "remove" that Now. And she does what I say. I have no clue if her Mom ever checks her page... from what I have seen " I do not think so"  One time when she was 14,  she actually posted her phone number on the myspace bulletin board. put her phone number up and typed I am really lonely .. only Boys can call me.
I about flipped my lid. I told her that Every Single friend you have on Myspace now has your phone number and Anyone who is a friend of theirs too has access of it .. if they see your bulletin. I said to her " you just sent your home phone number to every possible freak in the world" .. with Your cute little photo. Listed phone number that anyone could look up her address.  ::MonkeyEek:: After you post a bulletin you cannot retract it.
These girls could be posting OUT side of their myspace page - by sending out these bulletins into myspace land .. and their parents would not be able to trace them " Unless the settings are set for "saving them" within their personal account".

All it takes is one Moody Moment of a Young Girl who is bored, Mad, frustrated or just lonely and is seeking attention ... to type something and send it off into cyberland.
Its like Fishing. The girl throws the Worm " Her cute Picture and Message" out then catches the Freak...who most turn out to be SO's Men posing as teens and or preteens - to latch on and gain their trust. To develop and online friendship.
My experience with Myspace: ( Not throwing judgment at Lindsey's Mom)
When my Daughter had her account she was 14.. I had her password. And our computer was in the Living room ..not tucked away into her bedroom. * It does not guarantee your childs safety... but there was no way in hell that that computer would be in her bedroom. Otherwise she would be on it all night and talking to god knows who.   
I too would randomly pick on one of her friends and email them - and ask them Who are You? and not sign MOM..and I wait for them to respond. I would ask my Daughter who is this? If she didn't have a reasonable response I would delete them.  I knew most of her friends from her school. Or was a sibling of a friend ..the majority of her friends were all Girls. Which means nothing too .. anyone can use any photo.
These Girls do not understand the Power behind the Keyboard. They can't ..their kids.
I am praying for Lindsey.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on July 01, 2009, 05:48:41 PM
OK, you guy's are going to think I've been on SM too long  ::MonkeyRoll:: But I'm just throwing this out there...

Could Lindsey Baum's disappearance be related to Amber Dubois disappearance?

Similarities:

1. Both girls on-line users
2. Both girls disappeared walking a familiar route, and then vanished
3. Amber's case maroon pick up thought to be outfitted for some kind of construction/Construction at Lindsey's school
4. Amber's cell phone last pinged heading north (location undisclosed) we have all speculated that the phone was on I-5

Maybe it's something, probably nothing...but you never know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 05:51:26 PM
Thanks Pink you are the greatest. HOnestly it took me 3 months to learn my way around my little town, lol.

The LE isn't saying anything about an alternate route no do they mention 6th street.

It doesn't make sense that if she went up 6th street (this alternate route) and then the person seeing her at the end of Maple....almost to 3rd st.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 05:55:16 PM
OK, you guy's are going to think I've been on SM too long  ::MonkeyRoll:: But I'm just throwing this out there...

Could Lindsey Baum's disappearance be related to Amber Dubois disappearance?

Similarities:

1. Both girls on-line users
2. Both girls disappeared walking a familiar route, and then vanished
3. Amber's case maroon pick up thought to be outfitted for some kind of construction/Construction at Lindsey's school
4. Amber's cell phone last pinged heading north (location undisclosed) we have all speculated that the phone was on I-5

Maybe it's something, probably nothing...but you never know.

its always possibly there is someone transient moving around all over, hit one are, drive 100's of milies and hit another.  choosing places by who they see or talk /stalk on the net. 

amber liked to write, so does lindsey. 

I always say never rule out anything no matter how crazy it might sound, because we are dealing with crazy people who will go to any lengths to find someone they feel they can grab. 

I personally believe there are murders/abductios all over the usa that are connected, so get an idea, brainstorm and start digging.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 05:56:59 PM
Thanks Pink you are the greatest. HOnestly it took me 3 months to learn my way around my little town, lol.

The LE isn't saying anything about an alternate route no do they mention 6th street.

It doesn't make sense that if she went up 6th street (this alternate route) and then the person seeing her at the end of Maple....almost to 3rd st.



I agree 100000%


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 06:00:15 PM
Hi my Monkeys in Lindsey's Cage.
I have not posted in Lindsey's cage but have been reading the News on her case.
I just read the article posted about incite on Lindsey, her family and area.

I have seen to that there is a woman here " Kara" who is posting on Lindsey/family/area's behalf. Good to have you here Kara.

My brain keeps going back to the Myspace accts. I just looked at Kayla's myspace. She logged in as of today, she changed her age to 100. I did see her myspace the other day and I can see " believe it or not" that she has added more stuff to her page. One that was certainly not there the other day a survey " Ask me any Bedroom question"  then shows a cartoon of a man and woman in a romantic pose.
Isn't Kayla 10-12 yrs old..  ::MonkeyNoNo::
My Daughter was a myspace nut when she was younger .. 14 and up. She is now grown out of it *almost 19 now- and hardly uses her myspace. Yet my ex's daughter who I claim my own - she just turned 15 and uses her myspace as if it were oxygen. (she does not live with me) She has in the past posted some very suggestive things/pictures/verbage and I have called her out on it. I have told her to "remove" that Now. And she does what I say. I have no clue if her Mom ever checks her page... from what I have seen " I do not think so"  One time when she was 14,  she actually posted her phone number on the myspace bulletin board. put her phone number up and typed I am really lonely .. only Boys can call me.
I about flipped my lid. I told her that Every Single friend you have on Myspace now has your phone number and Anyone who is a friend of theirs too has access of it .. if they see your bulletin. I said to her " you just sent your home phone number to every possible freak in the world" .. with Your cute little photo. Listed phone number that anyone could look up her address.  ::MonkeyEek:: After you post a bulletin you cannot retract it.
These girls could be posting OUT side of their myspace page - by sending out these bulletins into myspace land .. and their parents would not be able to trace them " Unless the settings are set for "saving them" within their personal account".

All it takes is one Moody Moment of a Young Girl who is bored, Mad, frustrated or just lonely and is seeking attention ... to type something and send it off into cyberland.
Its like Fishing. The girl throws the Worm " Her cute Picture and Message" out then catches the Freak...who most turn out to be SO's Men posing as teens and or preteens - to latch on and gain their trust. To develop and online friendship.
My experience with Myspace: ( Not throwing judgment at Lindsey's Mom)
When my Daughter had her account she was 14.. I had her password. And our computer was in the Living room ..not tucked away into her bedroom. * It does not guarantee your childs safety... but there was no way in hell that that computer would be in her bedroom. Otherwise she would be on it all night and talking to god knows who.   
I too would randomly pick on one of her friends and email them - and ask them Who are You? and not sign MOM..and I wait for them to respond. I would ask my Daughter who is this? If she didn't have a reasonable response I would delete them.  I knew most of her friends from her school. Or was a sibling of a friend ..the majority of her friends were all Girls. Which means nothing too .. anyone can use any photo.
These Girls do not understand the Power behind the Keyboard. They can't ..their kids.
I am praying for Lindsey.



I agree.

When you pull on Lindsey's page, her picture isn't on there but her real life name is. Right in the page title in your browser. You see an age, a name, she lists her town and any sicko out there now has target that can be tracked down. Sees comments about being scared, brother going to juvie and it "screams" problems at home.

It scares the hell out of me. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 06:07:11 PM
You should never use your real name online. Unless you need to do so for business. All the social network sites, use your real first name, if you have to register a last name come up with a nonsense-ical last name that you use for all sites and let your friends and family know, so they can find you to connect.

It's so important to protect your safety, even as an adult. If someone has your last name and town, they can track you down.




Kids should never use their names or list what town they are from, what school they go to, or any information that could be used to identify them off the computer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 06:10:51 PM
Thanks Pink you are the greatest. HOnestly it took me 3 months to learn my way around my little town, lol.

The LE isn't saying anything about an alternate route no do they mention 6th street.

It doesn't make sense that if she went up 6th street (this alternate route) and then the person seeing her at the end of Maple....almost to 3rd st.



I agree 100000%
Me too


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 06:15:27 PM
You should never use your real name online ?

OY! Chit... ::MonkeyShocked::

Oh well Greta S. and Bill O. are in trouble too, I suppose.. lol

My real is not Edward  ::MonkeyAngel:: ..It is Rumple stilken ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 06:16:40 PM
I am not sure why that is now on her MySpace. I know it has been being monitored but she has not been out of my site except when I spoke with the FBI this morning which was right outside my door and I've not seen her take a survey. I know some dumba@@es like to send them to her and she has made poor choices in the past as to answering those things which along with the YoVille thing is why we banned her from having access to it freely.

I will be looking into that immediately (because I do try to check at least once a day so you should at least notice 1 log in a day). The computer that they are allowed to use in right next to mine on the same desk and only logged into when we log it in for them. But a good majority of the girls around here have each others MySpace passwords - that is how we found out Lindsey's - so I imagine a password change until we can disable the accounts may be in order. - I do appreciate you pointing that out though.

I agree that all the possible issues associated with MySpace were not clear to us simply because you think you are paying enough attention and what not but something like this does bring out the extra measures that can be taken to make online time a safer experience and I can promise that those will be implemented. Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
KaraK, would you know why Lindsey's aunt is making comments on another forum, that Lindsey walked all by herself, there was no little friend walking halfway with her? Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 06:24:52 PM
Kara ... or a Monkey
I don't want to know her * name  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ..just relation to Lindsey.
Who is this girl? I saw her pic on one of Lindsey's friend/family myspaces
I am getting confused
She likes to show her chest in photo's ( don't know what it is with taking pics in the bathroom)

http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5

I wish her Dad would see these - I think he would shut her space down.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 06:25:04 PM
from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
_________________

just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 06:26:28 PM
Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.
----------------------------

What you need to do is meet with the teachers and school board and talk to them about implementing a net safety class for parents and kids. Make it mandatory!!

http://www.netsmartz.org/educators.htm

They have programs here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 06:27:23 PM
from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
_________________

just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this
I am so glad you brought this up, I thought I was making to much of that, but see that I wasn't.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 06:28:01 PM
from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
_________________

just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this

It says right there DD. She believes it's between midnight and one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 06:29:02 PM
Witching hour I thought was midnight to 3am.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 06:32:54 PM
I am not sure why that is now on her MySpace. I know it has been being monitored but she has not been out of my site except when I spoke with the FBI this morning which was right outside my door and I've not seen her take a survey. I know some dumba@@es like to send them to her and she has made poor choices in the past as to answering those things which along with the YoVille thing is why we banned her from having access to it freely.

I will be looking into that immediately (because I do try to check at least once a day so you should at least notice 1 log in a day). The computer that they are allowed to use in right next to mine on the same desk and only logged into when we log it in for them. But a good majority of the girls around here have each others MySpace passwords - that is how we found out Lindsey's - so I imagine a password change until we can disable the accounts may be in order. - I do appreciate you pointing that out though.

I agree that all the possible issues associated with MySpace were not clear to us simply because you think you are paying enough attention and what not but something like this does bring out the extra measures that can be taken to make online time a safer experience and I can promise that those will be implemented. Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.
Kara if you know your daughters Email or " Username" (for any site) or any nicknames that are frequently used ... Try this site.
www.pipl.com
All you do is plunk in say " User name" and it will chase that name all over the internet and will pull up any site that has that User name attached. Same with with email, first last name as well applies.
I found myspace accounts that my daughter made when she was 12 ... Yes I did. She didn't use them for long. Maybe a Month. But I found this out from using this Pipl Site.
Its free, you do not have to login and you can use it as many times as you like. No strings attached. If I were you too ..chase your home phone number, cell phone if your daughter has one.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.
----------------------------

What you need to do is meet with the teachers and school board and talk to them about implementing a net safety class for parents and kids. Make it mandatory!!

http://www.netsmartz.org/educators.htm

They have programs here.

http://www.ikeepsafe.org/iksc_educators/
http://www.radkids.org

2 more.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 06:38:39 PM
Thanks Pink you are the greatest. HOnestly it took me 3 months to learn my way around my little town, lol.

The LE isn't saying anything about an alternate route no do they mention 6th street.

It doesn't make sense that if she went up 6th street (this alternate route) and then the person seeing her at the end of Maple....almost to 3rd st.



I agree.

As of yesterday there was no mention of an alternate route and ... then there are the witnesses.

Janet

+++++++


Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 06:40:08 PM
What is the Witching Hour?
   
define
   

The witching hour is a time of night when supernatural creatures are believed to be particularly active, making it a prime time of night for witchcraft. Many people think of midnight specifically as the witching hour, while others more generally associate it with the dead of night, the dark hours when few people are awake and about. The association of darkness and supernatural activity is quite ancient, although the term “the witching hour” itself only dates back to around the early 1800s; terms like “the witching time of night” were used prior to this period.

Darkness has had mystical associations in many human cultures, perhaps because it is difficult to see at night, causing skewed perceptions of the world. In the middle of the night, people are also presumably more tired, and therefore potentially susceptible to events which may feel supernatural. Traditional witch doctors, shamans, and other supernatural practitioners have often worked at night, belying the idea that only dark magic is practiced at night.

Many people historically believed that the witching hour marked a period of greater activity by witches, demons, ghouls, and other creatures who are not of this world. In some regions of the world, people still try to avoid going out at night during the witching hour, while people who are interested in supernatural events may make a deliberate effort to be out and about at midnight or thereabouts. While belief in the supernatural is generally on the fringes of many modern societies, even pragmatic people have been known to comment that the depths of the night do sometimes feel a bit eerie and mysterious, especially during a new moon.

Members of the neopagan community may perform ceremonies at a late hour to take advantage of the belief that the connection between the supernatural world and the real world is stronger during the witching hour. The witching hour also crops up in many fantasy books, and people may jokingly refer to it in the context of a late night out. In many societies, people who are out late at night are often viewed with suspicion, due to centuries of superstition about the things that happen late at night.

One certainly need not be superstitious to believe in the witching hour. The late hours of the night often do seem to have a different quality than the early evening and the daytime, perhaps because of the lack of people and the darkness. The witching hour often reveals lots of creatures you never see during the day, such as owls, bats, and other nocturnal animals, and this perhaps explains their traditional association with witchcraft in many cultures.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 06:40:47 PM
Kara ... or a Monkey
I don't want to know her * name  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ..just relation to Lindsey.
Who is this girl? I saw her pic on one of Lindsey's friend/family myspaces
I am getting confused
She likes to show her chest in photo's ( don't know what it is with taking pics in the bathroom)

http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5

I wish her Dad would see these - I think he would shut her space down.


how old is this girl?

she has umpteen boyfriends, wishing she could MEET someone, swimming at the ponds, is that the creek? 
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 06:42:30 PM
from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
_________________

just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this

It says right there DD. She believes it's between midnight and one.

well I know the article says that but just how much from where does lindsey really know about.  I'm just trying to figure out who she might know or have been around.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 06:43:08 PM
Quote
The girl’s route home would have taken her from her friend’s house in the 600 block of Maple Street, along the residential street with no sidewalks.

She would have walked down Maple and would have had to cross 3rd Street, which is a main road in the town and has a crosswalk. At that point she would have had a short walk through a a commercial area, including a nearby bus station and a gas station. She would have had to cross the larger street, then back onto a residential street without a sidewalk and head down to her house at the 300 block of Mommsen Street, a dead-end residential neighborhood within view of the police station.

But a minute or two before she crossed 3rd Street, she disappeared. A neighbor spotted her about two-thirds of the way home, Scott said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba9ab562a5957341684.txt

Quote
The friend who last saw Lindsey also addressed the crowd. She said the girls asked if Lindsey could spend the night at her house, but when her parents said no, the girls parted.

“I saw her at the end of Maple (Street),” the girl said. “I always think if my mom and me would’ve done something different this wouldn’t have happened.”

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699.txt


Route questioned answered!


BUMP for Ms. Janet
This was mentioned by LE today about the route.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 06:45:45 PM
from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
_________________

just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this

It says right there DD. She believes it's between midnight and one.

well I know the article says that but just how much from where does lindsey really know about.  I'm just trying to figure out who she might know or have been around.

She reads a lot. I am guessing she read it in a book. It's mentioned in a lot of fantasy books.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 06:49:46 PM
Kara if you know your daughters Email or " Username" (for any site) or any nicknames that are frequently used ... Try this site.
www.pipl.com
All you do is plunk in say " User name" and it will chase that name all over the internet and will pull up any site that has that User name attached. Same with with email, first last name as well applies.
I found myspace accounts that my daughter made when she was 12 ... Yes I did. She didn't use them for long. Maybe a Month. But I found this out from using this Pipl Site.
Its free, you do not have to login and you can use it as many times as you like. No strings attached. If I were you too ..chase your home phone number, cell phone if your daughter has one.



Thank you for that information. I was not aware that there were sites like that, but it sounds like it could be very useful.

As for Lindsey walking home she did not have anyone with her when she was walking home. My daughter stood on the porch til she reached the end of our road and then came inside. I know that there is mixed information floating around about that but it is not correct that she walked part way home with a friend.

As for the witching hour she is huge on shows and books about witches and vampires such as Twilight which is where she would have gotten that. Though she really did not have an "understanding" of what it was just a kids impression off of books and such that it was then that all the creepy things came out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 06:49:47 PM
the witching hour can go much deeper and be far more complicated that just say from midnight, of 11-3 or whatever.  this is not what I am concerned about.  this kind of info can be picked up our of stories girls that age would read.  I am talking about something else.  And I believe someone she was around or had some contact with DOES KNOW the kind of witching hours I am thinking about.  Amongst a lot of other things. 

I keep thinking these kids have some contact with some adults who they are picking up stuff from.  oh how do I say this LOL   

more than one of them keep saying, "I feel like something is going to happen".  why do they feel that way?  do they know something about when is the time something is more likely to happen.  who's teaching them this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 06:51:04 PM
You should never use your real name online. Unless you need to do so for business. All the social network sites, use your real first name, if you have to register a last name come up with a nonsense-ical last name that you use for all sites and let your friends and family know, so they can find you to connect.

It's so important to protect your safety, even as an adult. If someone has your last name and town, they can track you down.




Kids should never use their names or list what town they are from, what school they go to, or any information that could be used to identify them off the computer.

Just like "Klaas" said in one of her posts ..a few pages back. Kids just do not think. They are so innocent *at this age (10-12) that they DO use their real name online. They don't understand this is not just for " their classroom friends" this goes out to the entire World.

My gut is that Lindsey went with someone she either knew of * or was an acquaintance and maybe they Bs'd her and said ... I will take you home. And got her into their car/Vehicle. Maybe this was someone that was aware via the grapevine in small town talk that Lindsey was feeling down (from the divorce and every day family issues) And they used conversation to tap into feelings .. as I am your friend, I understand, my parents got divorced too ..... These perps usually do not " chose a child" at random. They slowly make a connection with them over time. And then when they find the child vulnerable..they make their move. Maybe this was some one that used to hang around the dollar store when Lindsey was behind the counter.
One thing that stood out to me in the article about Lindsey ..was Mom saying that Lindsey missed school from stress .. the divorce.
Where was Lindsey when she was not in school? Was she with a relative? Was she at Home alone while Mom was at work ?  I am just asking because maybe someone befriended her during those times. And her Mom was unaware that Lindsey had met this person.

God Bless Her
I pray she is ok



 

 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
the witching hour can go much deeper and be far more complicated that just say from midnight, of 11-3 or whatever.  this is not what I am concerned about.  this kind of info can be picked up our of stories girls that age would read.  I am talking about something else.  And I believe someone she was around or had some contact with DOES KNOW the kind of witching hours I am thinking about.  Amongst a lot of other things. 

I keep thinking these kids have some contact with some adults who they are picking up stuff from.  oh how do I say this LOL   

more than one of them keep saying, "I feel like something is going to happen".  why do they feel that way?  do they know something about when is the time something is more likely to happen.  who's teaching them this?
That is an excellent question, a question that needs answering, I also agree with you, there is an older friend/adult that perhaps is teaching them something, something a girl that age does not need to know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 07:01:54 PM
KaraK who is Michelle on your myspace page of friends? Is she a personal friend? What do you know about her?

DD did you look into the site I posted from Yahoo? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraysHarborOccultists/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 07:02:49 PM
the witching hour can go much deeper and be far more complicated that just say from midnight, of 11-3 or whatever.  this is not what I am concerned about.  this kind of info can be picked up our of stories girls that age would read.  I am talking about something else.  And I believe someone she was around or had some contact with DOES KNOW the kind of witching hours I am thinking about.  Amongst a lot of other things. 

I keep thinking these kids have some contact with some adults who they are picking up stuff from.  oh how do I say this LOL   

more than one of them keep saying, "I feel like something is going to happen".  why do they feel that way?  do they know something about when is the time something is more likely to happen.  who's teaching them this?
DD
I remember I had a Babysitter that my Mother would used quite frequently when my brother and I were little. Oh did I NOT like her. She lived in one of the houses around the corner on our block. She used to tell me CRAZY crap and scare the hell out of me.
I think she was 16 or so.. not much older. She was a outcast type. She lived with her parents and they were seniors .. they looked like her grand parents. She had No friends at all. None.  She was very obese and she was mean. Not around my Mom. But was two different people after my Mom/Dad would leave. OH GAWD her name was Cindy too ... just thought of that. (Cindy Anthony)
(( I was an extremely shy kid, My brother was a handful))
She used to say after the sun went down and if I sat on my couch in my living room where our only TV was, If I was a Bad girl that day ... that I would get a Knife in my back. ( through the couch ..the knife would pop out of the couch) ....  and stab me.
The other thing she said that if I went into the bathroom without the light on that Bloody Mary would grab me and kill me. That she lived in the Mirror.
I told my Mom and my Mom said ...Oh she is teasing ..or oh she didnt mean it. YAH right.
Do you know that the Bloody story haunted me into my Adulthood. Just because I was told this BS when I was little and it stuck.
Some people do not deserve to be in the presence of children.
  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 07:03:27 PM
Kara if you know your daughters Email or " Username" (for any site) or any nicknames that are frequently used ... Try this site.
www.pipl.com
All you do is plunk in say " User name" and it will chase that name all over the internet and will pull up any site that has that User name attached. Same with with email, first last name as well applies.
I found myspace accounts that my daughter made when she was 12 ... Yes I did. She didn't use them for long. Maybe a Month. But I found this out from using this Pipl Site.
Its free, you do not have to login and you can use it as many times as you like. No strings attached. If I were you too ..chase your home phone number, cell phone if your daughter has one.



Thank you for that information. I was not aware that there were sites like that, but it sounds like it could be very useful.

As for Lindsey walking home she did not have anyone with her when she was walking home. My daughter stood on the porch til she reached the end of our road and then came inside. I know that there is mixed information floating around about that but it is not correct that she walked part way home with a friend.

As for the witching hour she is huge on shows and books about witches and vampires such as Twilight which is where she would have gotten that. Though she really did not have an "understanding" of what it was just a kids impression off of books and such that it was then that all the creepy things came out.

well I was just wonderig, because "I" do have a very good "understanding" of the witching hours, and it is a bit complicate as you probably know if you have an "understandig" of it, so if she had that kind of understanding I would wonder if she has a teacher of these thing.  I guess you understand what I mean? 

so okay she has no "understanding"   so guess I won't dig into that then


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 07:14:05 PM
KaraK who is Michelle on your myspace page of friends? Is she a personal friend? What do you know about her?

DD did you look into the site I posted from Yahoo? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraysHarborOccultists/

you know I keep meaning to go check it out but keep getting off on something else. let me go look right now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 07:20:51 PM
I"ll just post the description of the group, so everyonne does not have to run over there to read it. 

please also know I am not on a "witch hunt" LOL

I am just trying to see who lindsey might have had contact with.  there are sickos in every group of people.  you will see me digging into the evergreen church just as much as I did into any other faith / belief.  so please don't start thinking I am out to trash the occult

Description
 
Hello to all, blessed be and 93's! My name is Soror Pheonix aka Ada.
This group is intended to bring together occultists in Grays Harbor County, Washington including the communities of (Aberdeen, Hoquiam, Grayland, Westport, Ocean Shores, Montesano, Cosmopolis, Central Park, Pacific Beach, Humptulips, Quinault, Elma, Satsop, McCleary, Neilton, Taholah, Moclips, Oakville, and all the rest.)

Occult: (Funk and Wagnalls Dictionary) Of or pertaining to various magical arts and practices, as astrology, alchemy, etc.; Beyond human understanding; Mysterious, not divulged or disclosed, secret; To become hidden or concealed from view.

I'm hoping to bring together all the Witches, Pagans, Ceremonial Magicians, Thelemites, Satanists, Chaos Magicians and everyone else who studies Magick who is local to the area for disscussions, gatherings and study groups. Come out, come out where ever you are!
Oh and if your a bible thumper who just wants to try to convert us, you can bite my big magickal A$$!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 07:22:01 PM
I don't know what is this obsession with the Occult and Vampires ..seems to be growing.
First their was goth which was considered Soft compared to now.. now its vampires/occult - Hollywood style mostly.
I am not talking about Wiccan's .. just plain obsession within Young People today with gore and blood. Death, vampires and that forsaken Death Metal Music..that you cannot understand the lyrics ..if there are any.
Like Casey Anthony her love of skulls ..and death * her little icons she saved..all morbid.
For 10-12 yr olds today ..
What happened to Hopscotch and Hula Hoops and .. All Girls Bands like the Go Go's, Supremes, Putting glitter stickers on your fingernails ..and wanting to have Pj parties ..and renting Grease .. or a movie that everyone would sing along and be silly ... and eating crap and candy till you wanted to puke ...Now that is fun. .. lol... Man am I dating myself or what. Maybe just dreaming ... of good old days.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 07:24:11 PM
I think that Lindsey is a beautiful young girl and I pray to God that she is found safe but I have a lot of nieces and all have read the harry potter books twight light etc. and none of them are supersticious or are talking of the witching hour nor are they saying that they are afraid that they are afraid that something bad is going to happen . They just all go on about how Edward is so cute. So I strongly think that it is a good idea to check the link that was posted about the occult and chat rooms of such nature also any other people in town that might be into this sort of thing. I am glad that LE is looking into her writings as well. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
so I wonder if they have members from mccleary and if they have meet-ups in mccleary.  do people from out of the area come to mccleary for meetups and gatherings? 

we need to think of anyone at all who might come into the mccleary area, who is not local, who has a connection there.

I am still looking for website of evergreen christian chruch and the "dollar store"  or the addressess will do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 07:25:48 PM
I don't know what is this obsession with the Occult and Vampires ..seems to be growing.
First their was goth which was considered Soft compared to now.. now its vampires/occult - Hollywood style mostly.
I am not talking about Wiccan's .. just plain obsession within Young People today with gore and blood. Death, vampires and that forsaken Death Metal Music..that you cannot understand the lyrics ..if there are any.
Like Casey Anthony her love of skulls ..and death * her little icons she saved..all morbid.
For 10-12 yr olds today ..
What happened to Hopscotch and Hula Hoops and .. All Girls Bands like the Go Go's, Supremes, Putting glitter stickers on your fingernails ..and wanting to have Pj parties ..and renting Grease .. or a movie that everyone would sing along and be silly ... and eating crap and candy till you wanted to puke ...Now that is fun. .. lol... Man am I dating myself or what. Maybe just dreaming ... of good old days.   

I agree with you...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 07:26:55 PM
KaraK who is Michelle on your myspace page of friends? Is she a personal friend? What do you know about her?

DD did you look into the site I posted from Yahoo? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraysHarborOccultists/

Michelle is my sister-in-law but more like my sister.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 01, 2009, 07:28:51 PM

<snipped>

I agree that all the possible issues associated with MySpace were not clear to us simply because you think you are paying enough attention and what not but something like this does bring out the extra measures that can be taken to make online time a safer experience and I can promise that those will be implemented. Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.


Kara

Doing what is right is not always easy but ... it is always right.

You have a responsibility as a parent to do all that you can to protect your child from the dangerous that lurk.  My daughter's four children (6-11) are at the very least within calling distance from Mom or Dad at all times or ... under the watchful eye of a designated caregiver and ... so are ALL of their friends.  These kids are never unsupervised.  Even then they  attempt to test the waters ... especially 11 year old grandson.  However ... his parents refuse to release the reins and allow him to make immature choices that have the ability to affect the rest of his life and/or ... the life of others.  They love him too much.

It appears ... for the most part ... the lifestyle afforded children in McCleary is very liberal and ... I contend that lifestyle can put precious children at risk.  There has to be boundaries and ... it is up to parents to oversee that those boundaries are being adhered to.

I could comprehend the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey if she were a teenager when parents are forced to loosen the reins to some extent but ... lLindsey is a 10 year old little girl.

Teenagers have curfrews that required them to be in the house at 10:00 PM ... not unsupervised children.  Children are already at home at 10:00 PM ... most likely already asleep on since 8:30 a school night or ... if it is a weekend ... they are getting ready for bed after being afforded an evening of watching movies ... playing computer games, etc ... under the watchful eyes of Mom and Dad.

The library computer would not be a problem at 10 years of age if a parent or a designated caregiven accompanied the child.  Walking four blocks to reach a desigination would not be a problem at 10 years of age if a parent or designated caregiver accompanies the child.  Viewing movies that are not age appropriate would not be a problem at 10 years of age if a parent or a designated caregiver accompanies the child to the theater or the rental establishement.

Will your children appreciate your guidance in every aspect of their lives.  No way but so what!

Kara ... I know that you are going through a never ending nightmare and ... for that my heart breaks but ... I firmly believe that the choices of adults allowed the chain of events to occurr.  My focus is directed on a little girl named Lindsey who did not have an advocate between the hours of 9:00 and 10:00 on Friday evening.

The following list was compiled for a newsletter by a former neighbour who did not suspect that his 12 year old daughter was communicating with a 21 year old sex offender on an online chat.  After all he "trusted" her to have followed the guidelines he established.  Thankfully ... somewhere along the line ... his wife became aware ... LE became involved and ... "control" for daughter and her younger siblings is now where it is at.

Kara .. the postive is that no matter how this all plays out ... it has to be a wakeup call ... lessons have had to been learned.

Sincerely, Janet

++++++++
 
CHILDREN AND THE COMPUTER

1.  Place computer in a central location in the home.
2.  Create blocks.
3.  Establish and follow through with consequences for chosing to disregard expectations/boundaries.
4.  Check history/cookies daily.
5.  Check out expectations/boundaries of friends' parents/care givers.
6.  Protect computer access with a password when supervision is not available





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 07:32:08 PM
At our library you have to sign in and to a certain computer ...so LE might go there and see when Lindsey signed in and they can check that computer to see where she was surfing.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 07:32:46 PM
Another thing - Lindsey's looks at herself as emo but not with the same comprehension as an older kid might. In her eyes people who like emo things like all that stuff. Honestly as long as I've known her I've never heard her talk about dark stuff save for the occasional vampire comment. You have a 10 yr old girl who thinks emo is cool but listens to soft country and loves rap.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 01, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
At our library you have to sign in and to a certain computer ...so LE might go there and see when Lindsey signed in and they can check that computer to see where she was surfing.....

I think they are looking into that the only real difficulty is signing in you use your library card number and most of the kids here share their cards because not everyone has one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 07:35:14 PM
KaraK who is Michelle on your myspace page of friends? Is she a personal friend? What do you know about her?

DD did you look into the site I posted from Yahoo? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraysHarborOccultists/

Michelle is my sister-in-law but more like my sister.

Kara who is this ?? is she related to you ? or Lindsey

http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 07:41:13 PM
Another thing - Lindsey's looks at herself as emo but not with the same comprehension as an older kid might. In her eyes people who like emo things like all that stuff. Honestly as long as I've known her I've never heard her talk about dark stuff save for the occasional vampire comment. You have a 10 yr old girl who thinks emo is cool but listens to soft country and loves rap.
Another thing with Emo at least from what my daughter has said .. Mom Emo is kids who like to dress dark and or the opposite dress or wear their hair over their face " wanting to disappear" wearing hoodies over their entire head, wearing lots of black and clothing too big for their bodies .. and most are depressed kids. Not happy kids they love and thrive together in despair...in groups ( she was speaking of teenagers ..not preteens though) ... that was her explanation of an Emo Kid in her High school.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 07:49:52 PM
Another thing - Lindsey's looks at herself as emo but not with the same comprehension as an older kid might. In her eyes people who like emo things like all that stuff. Honestly as long as I've known her I've never heard her talk about dark stuff save for the occasional vampire comment. You have a 10 yr old girl who thinks emo is cool but listens to soft country and loves rap.

I saw the emo stuff on one of the sites. 

another thing I was wondering about, if she likes to write, do you think she had an online journal.  there are some really weirdos in some of those online journal sites..



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 07:52:16 PM
I was just thinking of what she said on her myspace...who i'd like to meet....anyone that I can relate to...so if she were interested in these things maybe someone took advantage of that and the fact that she liked to talk sounds like she may have made friends easily with strangers ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 08:00:51 PM
I was just thinking of what she said on her myspace...who i'd like to meet....anyone that I can relate to...so if she were interested in these things maybe someone took advantage of that and the fact that she liked to talk sounds like she may have made friends easily with strangers ?
That's what I'm thinking. My, when I was ten years old, I would never have even made a comment like that, but then when I was ten, I looked and acted ten.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 08:06:15 PM
twilight chat room
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:BBpJD6i8g0gJ:twilightmania.wetpaint.com/page/Twilight%2BChat%2BRoom+twilight+freak+chat&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 08:08:16 PM
I was just thinking of what she said on her myspace...who i'd like to meet....anyone that I can relate to...so if she were interested in these things maybe someone took advantage of that and the fact that she liked to talk sounds like she may have made friends easily with strangers ?
That's what I'm thinking. My, when I was ten years old, I would never have even made a comment like that, but then when I was ten, I looked and acted ten.
No Rose,
My ex his Daughter (she is 15) and I have known her since she was 2. And I see the things she writes and types and I think to myself " She conveys her words as an older person" ..yet when I was last with her .. she is just the typical silly 15 yr old who acts like a 15 yr old should.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 08:12:21 PM
I was just thinking of what she said on her myspace...who i'd like to meet....anyone that I can relate to...so if she were interested in these things maybe someone took advantage of that and the fact that she liked to talk sounds like she may have made friends easily with strangers ?
That's what I'm thinking. My, when I was ten years old, I would never have even made a comment like that, but then when I was ten, I looked and acted ten.
No Rose,
My ex his Daughter (she is 15) and I have known her since she was 2. And I see the things she writes and types and I think to myself " She conveys her words as an older person" ..yet when I was last with her .. she is just the typical silly 15 yr old who acts like a 15 yr old should.


That could be, and I also just have to realize how mature some ten year olds are.  I also would like to know who the person was that sent Lindsey's brother home, when Lindsey and her brother were having an arguement.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 08:25:58 PM
NoRose you just made me think of something. My ex, he passed away. His 3 kids I consider mine. We live very far apart now and I do not get to see them when I want to. But I do talk to them on myspace. Now his only son .. I will call him Robbie ,,not his real name.
After Dad died * he died suddenly in a horrible accident. So no one was prepared. And Robbie thought the sun rose and set on his Father.

And Daddy passed away 6 yrs ago ..when Robbie was 8 yrs old.
Now at present Robbie has nightmares. He is terrified to sleep alone. He consistently feels he is being watched by some thing evil. He sleepwalks .. He has lots of anger and his emotions go up and down. And it all stems from Dad's death and his separation anxiety ..and it all kicked off when Robbie hit puberty.

Now I wonder with the sudden Divorce and Lindsey thinking her Dad was never coming back - she too was suffering from separation anxiety. Which really doesn't have to do with her relationship ( good/bad/indifferent with her father) but with Mom having issues with employment ((no car right now)) .and her brother acting out .. and then Dad moving so far away ..it is like having a Death in your core family. And to a Ten year old that could be traumatizing .. and devastating..with the Divorce alone ..and then her feeling as if her family was falling apart at the seems. As we all know " Any Issues that we have to Handle as Adults is Hard enough" yet with kids they feel it 1000 times more than we do..because they do not have the experience and or coping skills at a young age.
Maybe that is why Lindsey said she was Scared and she felt something bad was going to happen. All of that is mentioned above is a lot to process ...for a 10 yr old.

Sigh
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 08:30:14 PM
NoRose you just made me think of something. My ex, he passed away. His 3 kids I consider mine. We live very far apart now and I do not get to see them when I want to. But I do talk to them on myspace. Now his only son .. I will call him Robbie ,,not his real name.
After Dad died * he died suddenly in a horrible accident. So no one was prepared. And Robbie thought the sun rose and set on his Father.

And Daddy passed away 6 yrs ago ..when Robbie was 8 yrs old.
Now at present Robbie has nightmares. He is terrified to sleep alone. He consistently feels he is being watched by some thing evil. He sleepwalks .. He has lots of anger and his emotions go up and down. And it all stems from Dad's death and his separation anxiety ..and it all kicked off when Robbie hit puberty.

Now I wonder with the sudden Divorce and Lindsey thinking her Dad was never coming back - she too was suffering from separation anxiety. Which really doesn't have to do with her relationship ( good/bad/indifferent with her father) but with Mom having issues with employment ((no car right now)) .and her brother acting out .. and then Dad moving so far away ..it is like having a Death in your core family. And to a Ten year old that could be traumatizing .. and devastating..with the Divorce alone ..and then her feeling as if her family was falling apart at the seems. As we all know " Any Issues that we have to Handle as Adults is Hard enough" yet with kids they feel it 1000 times more than we do..because they do not have the experience and or coping skills at a young age.
Maybe that is why Lindsey said she was Scared and she felt something bad was going to happen. All of that is mentioned above is a lot to process ...for a 10 yr old.

Sigh
 
Very much so  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 08:42:24 PM
I am confused is Kara .. Mom of " fistey" Kayla on Myspace???

Or related ?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 08:54:58 PM
Nancy Grace show ...they say that the dogs picked up no scent of Linsdey at all anywhere on  the streets....Mom took Poly today....they have cut the search team in 1/2....Art is talking now...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 08:55:50 PM
Kara thank you for answering my question.  I really do appreciate your coming on here and posting information. There are some very good idea's developing, hoping you can take them to LE.

If I may ask another question....Do you know of anyone close to Lindsey, your daughter or her friends which are involved in the occult group I posted or another occult group? have you heard of the group on Yahoo?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 08:56:28 PM
Reason why I ask is because I think I just found a SO on "Fistey's" friends list within her myspace.

His name on her friends is: Kory Sisk ... last login 6/22/09 mood Crazy

http://www.myspace.com/191814715

Fistey's was posting messages on his acct in Feb 09 and so did ( Your Shorty) Feb O9.
I went to the National SO registry http://www.familywatchdog.us/
and a Cory Sisk came up..same State Az .. and has charges for
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowNameList.asp
5-27-603 - COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

5-27-603 - COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

Pics do not match .. means nothing.
The photo of Cory Sisk on the SO registry he looks like a freak.
The photo on the myspace account he looks like a big squishy man ..which possibly a young person would think...he is harmless.

Oh Gawd Disturbing..






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 08:57:15 PM
they are saying that the neighbor that stopped the fight earlier is the same one that saw her on her way to work they are referring to the neighbor as a female...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 08:59:44 PM
Reason why I ask is because I think I just found a SO on "Fistey's" friends list within her myspace.

His name on her friends is: Kory Sisk ... last login 6/22/09 mood Crazy

http://www.myspace.com/191814715

Fistey's was posting messages on his acct in Feb 09 and so did ( Your Shorty) Feb O9.
I went to the National SO registry http://www.familywatchdog.us/
and a Cory Sisk came up..same State Az .. and has charges for
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowNameList.asp
5-27-603 - COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

5-27-603 - COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

Pics do not match .. means nothing.
The photo of Cory Sisk on the SO registry he looks like a freak.
The photo on the myspace account he looks like a big squishy man ..which possibly a young person would think...he is harmless.

Oh Gawd Disturbing..






OMG is he still in AZ or in the area....LE needs to check on that for sure!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 09:00:48 PM
Nancy Grace show ...they say that the dogs picked up no scent of Linsdey at all anywhere on  the streets....Mom took Poly today....they have cut the search team in 1/2....Art is talking now...

That is interesting. I missed the show, anything else about this case?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 09:01:12 PM
Reason why I ask is because I think I just found a SO on "Fistey's" friends list within her myspace.

His name on her friends is: Kory Sisk ... last login 6/22/09 mood Crazy

http://www.myspace.com/191814715

Fistey's was posting messages on his acct in Feb 09 and so did ( Your Shorty) Feb O9.
I went to the National SO registry http://www.familywatchdog.us/
and a Cory Sisk came up..same State Az .. and has charges for
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowNameList.asp
5-27-603 - COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

5-27-603 - COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

Pics do not match .. means nothing.
The photo of Cory Sisk on the SO registry he looks like a freak.
The photo on the myspace account he looks like a big squishy man ..which possibly a young person would think...he is harmless.

Oh Gawd Disturbing..






OMG is he still in AZ or in the area....LE needs to check on that for sure!
I don't know but would be someone to check on ..YES


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 09:03:30 PM
they are saying that the neighbor that stopped the fight earlier is the same one that saw her on her way to work they are referring to the neighbor as a female...
Thank-you, I 've been asking that question all day.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 09:03:40 PM
Holy Batman " Cory Sisk"

He is registered in Arkansas too - as a level 4 Sex offender -


http://search.criminalcheck.com/PDdetails.php?db=ARSX&rec=2955&ed=156&dlnumber=CC&dlstate=CC&id=CC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 09:04:17 PM
Reason why I ask is because I think I just found a SO on "Fistey's" friends list within her myspace.

His name on her friends is: Kory Sisk ... last login 6/22/09 mood Crazy

http://www.myspace.com/191814715

Fistey's was posting messages on his acct in Feb 09 and so did ( Your Shorty) Feb O9.
I went to the National SO registry http://www.familywatchdog.us/
and a Cory Sisk came up..same State Az .. and has charges for
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowNameList.asp
5-27-603 - COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

5-27-603 - COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

Pics do not match .. means nothing.
The photo of Cory Sisk on the SO registry he looks like a freak.
The photo on the myspace account he looks like a big squishy man ..which possibly a young person would think...he is harmless.

Oh Gawd Disturbing..






OMG is he still in AZ or in the area....LE needs to check on that for sure!

How can we tell if this is the same person? The same name and the same area? LE needs to know this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 09:04:24 PM
Nancy Grace show ...they say that the dogs picked up no scent of Linsdey at all anywhere on  the streets....Mom took Poly today....they have cut the search team in 1/2....Art is talking now...
How is that possible  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 09:06:04 PM
Holy Batman " Cory Sisk"

He is registered in Arkansas too - as a level 4 Sex offender -


http://search.criminalcheck.com/PDdetails.php?db=ARSX&rec=2955&ed=156&dlnumber=CC&dlstate=CC&id=CC
That's awful, how can we find out if it is the same Cory Sisk?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 09:06:45 PM
Nancy Grace show ...they say that the dogs picked up no scent of Linsdey at all anywhere on  the streets....Mom took Poly today....they have cut the search team in 1/2....Art is talking now...

That is interesting. I missed the show, anything else about this case?

unfortunatley they did 50 minutes on Micheal Jackson and only 10 minutes on this precious lil girl...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 09:06:58 PM
How is that possible? the only thing I can think of she was not there, but it is said she was. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 09:07:45 PM
Holy Batman " Cory Sisk"

He is registered in Arkansas too - as a level 4 Sex offender -


http://search.criminalcheck.com/PDdetails.php?db=ARSX&rec=2955&ed=156&dlnumber=CC&dlstate=CC&id=CC
News article about him - posted 2007
http://www.4029tv.com/news/14271166/detail.html

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. -- A Level 4 sex offender is living in a Fayetteville neighborhood, and police are spreading the word.

The State Department of Corrections recently assessed Cory Sisk, 21, as a Level 4 offender. Officials explained that means it is highly likely he will hurt somebody again.

How did he get on an Arizona SO list too... I must dig more.

Makes me sick that these " freaks are allowed to Roam our children" ..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 09:09:06 PM
Nancy Grace show ...they say that the dogs picked up no scent of Linsdey at all anywhere on  the streets....Mom took Poly today....they have cut the search team in 1/2....Art is talking now...

That is interesting. I missed the show, anything else about this case?

unfortunatley they did 50 minutes on Micheal Jackson and only 10 minutes on this precious lil girl...

Michael Jackson? shaking head...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
Nancy Grace show ...they say that the dogs picked up no scent of Linsdey at all anywhere on  the streets....Mom took Poly today....they have cut the search team in 1/2....Art is talking now...
How is that possible  ::MonkeyConfused::

that is what Nancy asked Art and he said that it was immpossible... that the dogs should be able to pick up her scent for one month after her walking there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 09:10:04 PM
Nancy Grace show ...they say that the dogs picked up no scent of Linsdey at all anywhere on  the streets....Mom took Poly today....they have cut the search team in 1/2....Art is talking now...
How is that possible  ::MonkeyConfused::


I doubt it.. Unless the dogs were old and grey  ::MonkeyWink:: She runs with the first thing she hears that Nancy does..
Fun to watch those because she gets all upset and starts acting like a prosecutor in her questioning..




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 09:12:57 PM
Holy Batman " Cory Sisk"

He is registered in Arkansas too - as a level 4 Sex offender -


http://search.criminalcheck.com/PDdetails.php?db=ARSX&rec=2955&ed=156&dlnumber=CC&dlstate=CC&id=CC
News article about him - posted 2007
http://www.4029tv.com/news/14271166/detail.html

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. -- A Level 4 sex offender is living in a Fayetteville neighborhood, and police are spreading the word.

The State Department of Corrections recently assessed Cory Sisk, 21, as a Level 4 offender. Officials explained that means it is highly likely he will hurt somebody again.

How did he get on an Arizona SO list too... I must dig more.

Makes me sick that these " freaks are allowed to Roam our children" ..




How many people could have that name..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 09:13:36 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=642034&AgencyID=54269

On 06/12/06, Cory Sisk was convicted of Computer Child Pornography. The investigation revealed Sisk attempted to meet a 13 year old female (undercover officer) and engaged in sexually explicit conversations with her over the internet. 

Does not say if  his  address is current and or otherwise .. on this site.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 09:13:42 PM
if they did pick up a scent and nancy and art are incorrect then wouldn't they have picked up her scent to a point and then the dogs would lose it and then they could conclude a very close range to the area that she was snatched from ...if in fact that was what happened?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 09:15:42 PM
Nancy Grace show ...they say that the dogs picked up no scent of Linsdey at all anywhere on  the streets....Mom took Poly today....they have cut the search team in 1/2....Art is talking now...
How is that possible  ::MonkeyConfused::


I doubt it.. Unless the dogs were old and grey  ::MonkeyWink:: She runs with the first thing she hears that Nancy does..
Fun to watch those because she gets all upset and starts acting like a prosecutor in her questioning..



Or just somebody's pet dog they were using  ::MonkeyWink::  Unless LE doesn't want the info out in the public, for some reason.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
http://howmanyofme.com/search/

Cory Sisk, there are 6 people in the US with that name according to this site!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 01, 2009, 09:16:49 PM
http://howmanyofme.com/search/

Cory Sisk, there are 6 people in the US with that name according to this site!
Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 01, 2009, 09:18:26 PM
Deenie good job! Way to dig!!!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 01, 2009, 09:27:51 PM
http://howmanyofme.com/search/

Cory Sisk, there are 6 people in the US with that name according to this site!
Thanks

can we find ages on these 6 and maybe eliminate some of them?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 09:32:10 PM
sorry was gone, let me help

first I will just list the ones in washington I find

SISK, CORY J (Age 37)

Associated names:

 FISK, CORY J
 ABERDEEN, WA

Possible Relatives:

SISK, KYLE J (Age 37)
SISK, DAVID W (Age 70)
SISK, SHEILA N (Age 71)
SISK, DAVID W (Age 72)
SISK, KEITH J (Age 44)
SISK, KEVIN J (Age 52)
SON, KEITH S




.  SISK, CORY D (Age 29)
 PORT ANGELES, WA

 Possible Relatives:

SISK, DLANNA R (Age 53)
SISK, DIANNA R (Age 62)
SISK, SHANE DAREN (Age 36)



.  SISK, CORY
 PORT ANGELES, WA

 Possible Relatives:

SISK, SHANE D (Age 47) 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 09:35:16 PM
not finding the AZ one yet, but do have the Arkansas one

SISK, COURTNEY S (Age 62)
 CHATTANOOGA, TN

Possible Relatives:

SISK, SHERRY G (Age 57)
SISK, JOSEPHINE C (Age 96)



  SISK, CORY J (Age 37)

Associated names:

 FISK, CORY J
ABERDEEN, WA

Possible Relatives:

SISK, KYLE J (Age 37)
SISK, DAVID W (Age 70)
SISK, SHEILA N (Age 71)
SISK, DAVID W (Age 72)
SISK, KEITH J (Age 44)
SISK, KEVIN J (Age 52)
SON, KEITH S


 SISK, CORY
 PETERSBURG, TN   


  SISK, COREY  (Age 33)

Associated names:

 SISK, CORY M
 CHAPEL HILL, TN
PETERSBURG, TN
FAYETTEVILLE, TN

 Possible Relatives:

SISK, JUNE (Age 73)
SISK, WILLIAM ALLEN (Age 74)
SAPPINGTON, SUSAN M (Age 35)
GRIFFEN, KRISTA LEIGH (Age 45)
SISK, HASSEL JUNE (Age 73)
ALMY, CARMEN Y
SISK, PEGGY L



  SISK, CORY CHAD
 MORRISTOWN, IN   



.  SISK, CORY WADE (Age 29)

Associated names:

 SISK,  C
 EAU CLAIRE, WI
CHIPPEWA FALLS, WI
ALTOONA, WI

 Possible Relatives:

SEYLLER, AMY T (Age 33)



  SISK, CORY M
 PETERSBURG, TN   



  SISK, CORY W
 OSSEO, WI   




 SISK, CORY
 MISSOULA, MT   



  SISK, CORY D (Age 29)
 PORT ANGELES, WA

 Possible Relatives:

SISK, DLANNA R (Age 53)
SISK, DIANNA R (Age 62)
SISK, SHANE DAREN (Age 36)




  SISK, CORY
 PAWNEE, IL
NORMAL, IL   



  SISK, CORY D (Age 23)
 KENTWOOD, MI   



.  SISK, CORY  (Age 22)
 GRAND RAPIDS, MI

Possible Relatives:

SISK, DANIEL DUANE (Age 51)
PRICE, JULIE ANNE (Age 44)
SISK, JESSICA




.  RIZZO, CORY  (Age 23)

Associated names:

 SISK, CORY
 SAINT LOUIS, MO

 Possible Relatives:

RIZZO, DOROTHY LEE (Age 76)
SISK, VICKI L (Age 54)
SISK, MATT (Age 29)



  SISK, CORY
 PORT ANGELES, WA

Possible Relatives:

SISK, SHANE D (Age 47)



  SISK, CORY  (Age 24)
 RUSSELLVILLE, AR

Possible Relatives:

SISK, TERESSA LEANNE (Age 47)
SISK, BILLY GENE (Age 45)




  SISK, CORY ALLAN
 HENDERSONVILLE, TN

Possible Relatives:

SISKI, MICHAEL W (Age 29)
SISK, JOY E (Age 46) 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 09:36:48 PM
oooops I am spelling kory wrong
let me try again


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 09:38:18 PM
looks like it is spelled both ways cory/kory


SISK, CORY J (Age 37)

Associated names:

 FISK, CORY J
ABERDEEN, WA
 Possible Relatives:

SISK, KYLE J (Age 37)
SISK, DAVID W (Age 70)
SISK, SHEILA N (Age 71)
SISK, DAVID W (Age 72)
SISK, KEITH J (Age 44)
SISK, KEVIN J (Age 52)
SON, KEITH S


.  SISK, KORY  
 ABERDEEN, WA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2009, 09:40:04 PM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraysHarborOccultists/

DD, I read this site much earlier today and maybe my memory is foggy, but there was a comment about going into the forest and not enough people are some such thing.  I hate it when I don't save stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 09:42:57 PM
White Pages.com

Only 2 Came Up:


Cory Sisk

   1. 832 W 10th St
   2. Port Angeles, WA
   
 

Cory W Sisk

   1. 13492 42nd Ave
   2. Chippewa Falls, WI
   3. 25-29
   4. Household: Amy Sisk

Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/srch.php?nm=Cory+Sisk&s=0&sid=00e54acc825f967c68b88e09493e4d16


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 09:47:42 PM
Fayetteville Police Spread Word About Level 4 Sex Offender

POSTED: 2:39 pm CDT October 4, 2007
UPDATED: 3:23 pm CDT October 4, 2007
[BUZZ: Fayetteville Police Spread Word About Level 4 Sex Offender] [DELICIOUS: Fayetteville Police Spread Word About Level 4 Sex Offender] [DIGG: Fayetteville Police Spread Word About Level 4 Sex Offender] [FACEBOOK: Fayetteville Police Spread Word About Level 4 Sex Offender] [REDDIT: Fayetteville Police Spread Word About Level 4 Sex Offender] [RSS] [PRINT: Fayetteville Police Spread Word About Level 4 Sex Offender] [EMAIL: Fayetteville Police Spread Word About Level 4 Sex Offender]
FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. -- A Level 4 sex offender is living in a Fayetteville neighborhood, and police are spreading the word.

The State Department of Corrections recently assessed Cory Sisk, 21, as a Level 4 offender. Officials explained that means it is highly likely he will hurt somebody again.
-----
This would make this one 23 now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 09:48:52 PM
did he just disappear off there?  I saw him, accidently clicked off now can't find him?  am I just missing him?

link?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 09:50:13 PM


Cory Sisk

20-25 years old
Ark School For The Deaf H S 2000
Little Rock, Arkansas, United States


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 09:52:15 PM
Name: Kory J Sisk
Address: 303 SW Bv, Aberdeen, Washington 98520-0301 (1993)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 09:56:25 PM
This is a myspace looking for 1998 Members of a High School Class in Port Angeles, WA. Seeking a Cory Sisk. 

Making this one, 28-29


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 09:57:02 PM
http://blogs.myspace.com/riders1998


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 09:59:56 PM
there is a sisk in mccleary with the same name and middle initial one listed in aberdeen with cory j sisk

: 280 Wildcat Dr, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)
[Pob 338, McCleary, Washington 98557-0401 (1983)] 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 10:01:13 PM
 Missing Girl's Father: 'I Just Want My Daughter'
Posted: 5:33 pm PDT July 1, 2009
Updated: 6:28 pm PDT July 1, 2009
<snipped>
Five days after a Grays Harbor County girl vanished, police are now searching through a landfill for any sign of Lindsey Baum.

Baum, 10, disappeared Friday night while walking home at about 9 p.m.

Lindsey’s father, Greg Baum, lives in Tennessee and has been trying to come to McCleary, but is getting ready to deploy to Iraq. He said he feel helpless, but knows the police are doing all they can.

"Right now I'm just praying that she's found and she's found safe," Lindsey’s father said.

Two Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Officials worked endlessly Wednesday sorting through one-third of McCleary’s garbage, hoping to find a clue that could lead to Lindsey.

“We're looking for any signs of evidence of the missing girl. We're looking for clothing Lindsey may have been wearing," said Chief Deputy Dave Pimentel. “And of course the un-talkable."

Baum believes his daughter has been abducted, but is holding on to hope.

We're gonna bring Lindsey home. We're gonna find her and if I have to knock on every door in Grays Harbor County to do that we will," said Rick Scott of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

The search at the landfill and additional ground searches Wednesday have continued to come up empty.

Investigators are now asking people in town to report any odd behavior by their friends or family since Lindsey vanished. Something as slight as an unexplained scratch on the arm could be important.

Lindsey's father said if someone has his little girl they need to let her go.

VIDEO: Officials Comb Through Garbage For Missing Girl
http://www.kirotv.com/video/19921709/index.html

Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19921451/detail.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2009, 10:07:32 PM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GraysHarborOccultists/

DD, I read this site much earlier today and maybe my memory is foggy, but there was a comment about going into the forest and not enough people are some such thing.  I hate it when I don't save stuff.

Re: [GraysHarborOccultists] Re: HERBS AND THINGS


Dear Ada,

 As far as I know the campout at Twin Harbors State Park on the weekend of the 18th-20

is going to be on the beach side #291 site. Pagans from Aberdeen and surrounding area,

only going to be a fmaybe 10 there. If interested check with Anita/Hedamoon..to reserve a place or you can just drop by for the day...very informal,no rits scheduled..Would love to see you again...Hope all is well in your world and looking forward to checking out your shop.gylan


SEES WITHIN
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
Gawd you guys are good. I hope that we are on to something... with this name.
I just found him to look suspicious..to be on a ten year old's site .. and not have any photo's or comments " that he is family, friend or otherwise"
I do see " Michelle on his friend list" ..
I wish she would join us and add her two cents.

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 10:08:38 PM
Interesting post at WS
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3925131&postcount=64

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb202/toshroger/mcclearymap-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2009, 10:10:23 PM
should mention the above is from 2008 -- but thought I should post it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:12:28 PM
Aberdeen/Weatherwax High School, Aberdeen, Washington (WA) 
 Kory Sisk. 1988-1992
http://www.classmates.com/directory/school/Aberdeen/Weatherwax%20High%20School?org=4901

I can't access the site


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:14:00 PM
DD
Not from the other National SO site with the Dog .. this is a different National Registry.
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/OffenderSearchResults.aspx
I plunked in the last name Sisk and first name C
and this came up .. searching all States

SISK, CORY
   
Locations:

    * PRIMARY:
      N/A
      FAYETTEVILLE , AR   72704
      WASHINGTON

What came up with Sisk first letter K ...nothing





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:14:16 PM
will someone please go to the myspaces and see if kory's pic is still on there, I can't find it now and it was there before.  did he remove it? or am I missing it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:17:01 PM
DD
Not from the other National SO site with the Dog .. this is a different National Registry.
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/OffenderSearchResults.aspx
I plunked in the last name Sisk and first name C
and this came up .. searching all States

SISK, CORY
   
Locations:

    * PRIMARY:
      N/A
      FAYETTEVILLE , AR   72704
      WASHINGTON

What came up with Sisk first letter K ...nothing





the only K kory I find is in aberdeen wa not far from mccleary, he spells with K and C. 
listed at the address he is listed at is also a david W.  there is also a david W in mccleary, I posted the address up there somewhere.  trying to see if they are the same people are are in aberdeen with k kory/cory.  but the one that is 70+ in aberdeen is dead I foud the ss death record for the old one, but this might be a son in mccleary. 

still lookig

let me pull up fayettevill ar one


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
will someone please go to the myspaces and see if kory's pic is still on there, I can't find it now and it was there before.  did he remove it? or am I missing it. 
http://www.myspace.com/191814715


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:18:42 PM
I have one in fayetterville tN but not ar hmmm
Name: Cory Sisk
Spouse: Krista 
Address: 2311 Lewisburg Hwy 
City: Fayetteville 
State: Tennessee 
Zip Code: 37334-6454
Phone Number: xxxxxxx
Residence Years: 1997 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:19:31 PM
will someone please go to the myspaces and see if kory's pic is still on there, I can't find it now and it was there before.  did he remove it? or am I missing it. 
http://www.myspace.com/191814715

THANKS !!!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:21:05 PM
KORY'S friends on myspace

Tom

Tom Anderson
 Midnite_Sunset

 Angie

Angie Kelly
 SAM BIGS

 ♥shope♥

 ♥Paulene♥

Paulene Lockey
 Alli§ºn

 Michelle

Michelle Flodstrom
 Alisha

alisha Tucker
 ♥tracy♥

TRACY SHERMAN
 bones

John Hyde
 Suzy

Suzy Hyde
 vlanda

vlanda willis
 *Jess!c@*

Jessica Torrance
 Stacey

Stacey Farris
 Tommy

Tommy Taylor
 Dawn

Dawn Hensley
 Chris And Brooke

 Andrea

Andrea Andrews
 L33 -n- Jr23

 Whoa Nellie!

Heather Tauscher
 Sabrina

 Dameon

Dameon Hayes
 Ashley

 .:☆ DoUBLE or NoTHiiN' …

Angela Goldman
 Bill & Melissa

Bill Melissa Nabors
 Teresa

 

xxxxEdit to remove name


xxxxEdit to remove name


 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 10:22:47 PM
DD
Not from the other National SO site with the Dog .. this is a different National Registry.
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/OffenderSearchResults.aspx
I plunked in the last name Sisk and first name C
and this came up .. searching all States

SISK, CORY
   
Locations:

    * PRIMARY:
      N/A
      FAYETTEVILLE , AR   72704
      WASHINGTON

What came up with Sisk first letter K ...nothing





Fayette is in Washington, County. Just so we don't get confused by the "Washington".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:23:20 PM
will someone please go to the myspaces and see if kory's pic is still on there, I can't find it now and it was there before.  did he remove it? or am I missing it. 
http://www.myspace.com/191814715
You remember what Kara just typed earlier that .. those Spam bs sites are all over her Daughter's myspace the pet thing whatever it is called... that she gets them sent to her and puts them up. (( Not knowing))
I am looking at the comments on his myspace and I think they are not really posted directly from xxxxEdit to remove name and xxxEdit to remove name ..maybe the kids somehow got a virus and these tags spread to all that is on their friends list ..by adding this spam crap to their accounts.
Because My friends too send me " Add this application to your Myspace - Like Grow a Pet, or Mafia war ..etc.. and I always decline them." I think the majority of them are virus ware and or tracking devices made up to be cute and colorful" ...
Hmmm.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 10:23:53 PM
If he is on Kara's page, I am guessing it's a family friend or relative.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:25:14 PM
KORY'S friends on myspace

Tom

Tom Anderson
 Midnite_Sunset

 Angie

Angie Kelly
 SAM BIGS

 ♥shope♥

 ♥Paulene♥

Paulene Lockey
 Alli§ºn

 Michelle

Michelle Flodstrom
 Alisha

alisha Tucker
 ♥tracy♥

TRACY SHERMAN
 bones

John Hyde
 Suzy

Suzy Hyde
 vlanda

vlanda willis
 *Jess!c@*

Jessica Torrance
 Stacey

Stacey Farris
 Tommy

Tommy Taylor
 Dawn

Dawn Hensley
 Chris And Brooke

 Andrea

Andrea Andrews
 L33 -n- Jr23

 Whoa Nellie!

Heather Tauscher
 Sabrina

 Dameon

Dameon Hayes
 Ashley

 .:☆ DoUBLE or NoTHiiN' …

Angela Goldman
 Bill & Melissa

Bill Melissa Nabors
 Teresa

 xxxxxEdit to remove name

xxxxxxEdit to remove name
xxxxEdit to remove name



xxxxEdit to remove name
DD go back and *** out the minor childrens names ... K .. we don't the Moms coming after us .. just thinking for their protection too :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:26:46 PM
BORDENNEWMAN, BONNA  (Age 48)

Associated names:

 BONNA,  SISK
 BORDEN, BONNA B
 NEWMAN, DANNA B
 NEWMAN, BONNA BERYL
 SISK, BONNA NEWMAN
PEORIA, AZ
PHOENIX, AZ
GLENDALE, AZ
LAS VEGAS, NV
GOODYEAR, AZ  

Possible Relatives:

NEWMAN, JERRY W (Age 63)
NEWMAN, DONNA B

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BORDEN, BENJAMIN C (Age 66)
SISK, DANIEL JAMES (Age 47)
LUFSEYFAIR, RICHARD (Age 76)
LUFSEY HARGIS, CLEDA FRANCES (Age 62)
LUFSEY, FAIR CLEDA (Age 62)
SISK, BARB J
HARGIS, MILTON JOSEPH (Age 57)




  SISK, ROBERT L (Age 29)

Associated names:

 SISK, R
 SISK, RYAN R
 GOODYEAR, AZ
SAMMAMISH, WA
ISSAQUAH, WA
RENTON, WA
SEATTLE, WA
GLENDALE, AZ
BELLEVUE, WA
NEWCASTLE, WA

Possible Relatives:

SISK, STEPHEN E
SISK, JULIE A (Age 55)
SISK, RYAN R (Age 34)
SISK, NICOLE DANILLE (Age 29)
SISK, NICOLE D (Age 29)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

LESTER, RANDY CLIFFORD (Age 58)
SNAVELY, DEAN ELLIS (Age 42)
WATSON, MAUREEN R (Age 49)
LARSON, KELLEY J (Age 48)




.  SISK, JULIE A (Age 55)

Associated names:

 SISK, JUNE
 SEATTLE, WA
GOODYEAR, AZ
ISSAQUAH, WA
GLENDALE, AZ
RENTON, WA
NEWCASTLE, WA
SAMMAMISH, WA

 Possible Relatives:

SISK, STEPHEN E
SISK, ROBERT L (Age 29)
SISK, RYAN R (Age 34)
SISK, NICOLE DANILLE (Age 29)
SISK, NICOLE D (Age 29)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

LESTER, RANDY CLIFFORD (Age 58)
SNAVELY, DEAN ELLIS (Age 42)
LARSON, KELLEY J (Age 48)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 10:26:55 PM
If he is on Kara's page, I am guessing it's a family friend or relative.

k, he is on

xxxxxxEdit to remove name
xxxxxEdit to remove name

xxxxxxEdit to remove name
xxxxxxEdit to remove name
 

xxxxxEdit to remove names
 

All xxxxxx Edit to remove name kids? Hopefully she will come back and answer the question.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 10:28:13 PM
oops a mod will have to, Deenie.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:29:20 PM
KORY'S friends on myspace

Tom

Tom Anderson
 Midnite_Sunset

 Angie

Angie Kelly
 SAM BIGS

 ♥shope♥

 ♥Paulene♥

Paulene Lockey
 Alli§ºn

 Michelle

Michelle Flodstrom
 Alisha

alisha Tucker
 ♥tracy♥

TRACY SHERMAN
 bones

John Hyde
 Suzy

Suzy Hyde
 vlanda

vlanda willis
 *Jess!c@*

Jessica Torrance
 Stacey

Stacey Farris
 Tommy

Tommy Taylor
 Dawn

Dawn Hensley
 Chris And Brooke

 Andrea

Andrea Andrews
 L33 -n- Jr23

 Whoa Nellie!

Heather Tauscher
 Sabrina

 Dameon

Dameon Hayes
 Ashley

 .:☆ DoUBLE or NoTHiiN' …

Angela Goldman
 Bill & Melissa

Bill Melissa Nabors
 Teresa



xxxxxxEdit to remove name
xxxxxxEdit to remove name






 
DD go back and *** out the minor childrens names ... K .. we don't the Moms coming after us .. just thinking for their protection too :)


I can't go back ugh.. and I do't know who all are the minors names, except a few, I just copie the whole page and posted it, didn't look at who was on there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:31:05 PM
If he is on Kara's page, I am guessing it's a family friend or relative.
its possible Pink that your correct.
 
I have to think too that it may be a connection ..maybe not the same guy. But the Name itself.
Seems strange that a guy with the same name is a level 4 SO and has a Washington State connection.

One never knows how Angel Nudges work ..

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 01, 2009, 10:31:20 PM
I just highlighted this page and hit copy... paste. 

they are all on his page like that
http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends&friendID=191814715


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:36:01 PM
oops a mod will have to, Deenie.

For Mod
Minors are:Edit names
Just block out their first/last names named .. please



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 01, 2009, 10:47:02 PM
I think I got them all.  Other mods may have been working on at the same time. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:49:03 PM
I think I got them all.  Other mods may have been working on at the same time. 
Thank You Klaas ... We meant no Harm.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:50:41 PM
I think I got them all.  Other mods may have been working on at the same time. 
Thank You Klaas ... We meant no Harm.

Klaas Nanners re: edit


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 01, 2009, 10:54:10 PM
Thanks for getting the rest Muffy!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 10:55:44 PM
DD
Just so you know I was not only trying to protect the kids but You as well.
We all " Even ME" get carried away and want to help so much ..we lose sight of who we type of .. just so you know I wasn't picking on you.

 :smt058
K


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 10:57:21 PM
smooches to klaas and MuffyBee. :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 01, 2009, 11:04:40 PM
ABDUCTION BECOMING MORE LIKELY AS LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH CONTINUES

Investigators are beginning to lean towards the fact that a 10 year old McCleary girl, missing since last Friday, was abducted. Undersheriff Rick Scott says the more time goes by and the more leads are investigated, the less likely it becomes that Lindsey Baum ran away or is playing a prank on her family. Scott says investigators continue to scour the East County town for information, but have not turned up any facts that would lead them to Lindsey. Scott says it is possible that a McCleary resident may unknowingly be a neighbor, friend or family member of someone involved in Lindsey’s disappearance. With that in mind, the Sheriff’s office is asking people to report any odd changes in behavior. That could include selling a vehicle, changes in mood, dropping out of sight or other changes in attitude or habits. As always anyone with any information is asked to contact the authorities. Lindsey is described as a white female, 4’9” tall with brown hair and brown eyes and was last seen wearing a light colored hooded sweatshirt, blue jeans and black shoes. Anyone with any information or who may have seen something suspicious in McCleary between 8:30 and 10PM on Friday night is asked to call 866-915-8299 or e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.kxro.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 01, 2009, 11:16:21 PM
ABDUCTION BECOMING MORE LIKELY AS LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH CONTINUES

Investigators are beginning to lean towards the fact that a 10 year old McCleary girl, missing since last Friday, was abducted. Undersheriff Rick Scott says the more time goes by and the more leads are investigated, the less likely it becomes that Lindsey Baum ran away or is playing a prank on her family. Scott says investigators continue to scour the East County town for information, but have not turned up any facts that would lead them to Lindsey. Scott says it is possible that a McCleary resident may unknowingly be a neighbor, friend or family member of someone involved in Lindsey’s disappearance. With that in mind, the Sheriff’s office is asking people to report any odd changes in behavior. That could include selling a vehicle, changes in mood, dropping out of sight or other changes in attitude or habits. As always anyone with any information is asked to contact the authorities. Lindsey is described as a white female, 4’9” tall with brown hair and brown eyes and was last seen wearing a light colored hooded sweatshirt, blue jeans and black shoes. Anyone with any information or who may have seen something suspicious in McCleary between 8:30 and 10PM on Friday night is asked to call 866-915-8299 or e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.kxro.com/
Good Post Pink


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 02, 2009, 12:07:35 AM
Kory Sisk is like her uncle who's been there since she was born. The picture it shows on MS is his actual picture.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 02, 2009, 12:09:10 AM
Kory Sisk is like her uncle who's been there since she was born. The picture it shows on MS is his actual picture.

I forgot to add above that I appreciate you guys digging deep into this because this is what I am hoping for hoping somehow someone on one of these forums may run across something that the officials are missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 12:11:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5HZIC1lQ_E

NG today, in case anyone missed it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 02, 2009, 12:24:20 AM
Kory Sisk is like her uncle who's been there since she was born. The picture it shows on MS is his actual picture.

Is he the same person as the person Deenie was posting about? Who is a Registered Sex Offender.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 12:24:24 AM
here is the name of ONE of the construction companies working on the mccleary school

Christensen Inc., a construction firm out of Tumwater


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 12:38:44 AM
Company Name: Christensen, Inc General ContractorIs This Your Company?
Address: 2840 Crites St Sw Ste 100, Tumwater, WA 98512-6117 (Map)

Alt Business Name: 
Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $5,036,816 
Est. # of Employees: 26 
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 26 
Year Started: 1994 
State of Incorp: 
SIC #Code: 1542 
Contact's Name: Kevin P Christensen 
Contact's Title: President
NAICS: Commercial and Institutional Building Construction


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 02, 2009, 12:39:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5HZIC1lQ_E

NG today, in case anyone missed it.

Thanks Pink for posting the link. Did anyone notice in the pic of her on the couch she is holding a stuff monkey



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 12:46:23 AM
here are the main contractors for the school remodel, not sure how many sub-contractors worked

Rognlin’s, Inc. of Aberdeen.

Rognlin's, Inc.
General Contractor
WASHINGTON CONTRACTOR'S REGISTRATION
# RO-GN-L**342LF
321 West State Street
PO Box 307
Aberdeen, WA 98520

Wayne Rognlin
FOUNDER | PAST PRESIDENT Randy Rognlin
PRESIDENT Scott Rognlin
SECRETARY | TREASURER 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Jim Hannah
Estimator | Project Manager
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Lance Harris
Estimator | Project Superintendent
 Commercial Building Structures
Bridge Construction


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kirk Hollatz

Project Superintendent


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Katie Rognlin
Controller
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Tyler Rognlin
IT Manager Gordon Logan
Safety Director
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Graham McAllister

Civil Project Superintendent | Estimator


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jeanne Foote
Contracts Administrator


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ann McKinney
Accounts Payable | Payroll


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Floyd Plemmons
Estimator | Project Manager
Commercial Building Structures


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Arnie Rairdan
Dispatcher

 John Roose
Shop Superintendent | Head Mechanic


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bill Slusher
Project Manager


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jamie Talley
Accounts Receivable | Payroll


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Thompson
Estimator | Project Manager
Heavy Civil: Bridges, Culverts, Metal Buildings
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ryan Walsh
Estimator | Project Manager
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
DeJay Williamson
Estimator | Project Manager
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 12:47:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5HZIC1lQ_E

NG today, in case anyone missed it.

Thanks Pink for posting the link. Did anyone notice in the pic of her on the couch she is holding a stuff monkey



I can't view youtubes on my frankinputer...too old and slow.

Hopefully someone techy can screen cap it.

She is one of us. :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 12:48:35 AM
Kory Sisk is like her uncle who's been there since she was born. The picture it shows on MS is his actual picture.

Is he the same person as the person Deenie was posting about? Who is a Registered Sex Offender.

No, that was a Cory, not Kory.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 12:53:48 AM
here is the name of ONE of the construction companies working on the mccleary school

Christensen Inc., a construction firm out of Tumwater

A page or two back, there is an email address at the sherriffs office to send tips in and they said they want all tips. I think you should email them this information. jmo

Here it is:
Anyone with information is asked to call the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office at 1-866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 02, 2009, 01:46:55 AM
Kory Sisk is like her uncle who's been there since she was born. The picture it shows on MS is his actual picture.

Is he the same person as the person Deenie was posting about? Who is a Registered Sex Offender.

no no no. He is not. The picture that you see listed for that S.O. on the site they posted about previously is the actual picture of the S.O.. The picture you see on my daughters Myspace is our Kory's actually picture. So there was no funny stuff like someone posting a fake picture etc. it is actually purely coincidence that you ended up running across two names that similar. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Southernbelle on July 02, 2009, 01:48:06 AM
I haven't had a chance yet to read thru all these posts (but I will later, after I get some sleep)!

I just want to say that I am praying hard for Lindsey and her family, that she will be returned home safe and sound. I thought the town I live in is small, but the population is about double that of Lindsey's hometown. When I was a child, it was almost literally true that everybody knew everybody else, and everything that was going on.

Now, even in these very small towns, I'm afraid that's no longer true. There's so much less sense of community, everybody is so busy, you hardly have time for your neighbors and friends, much less anyone else.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It does sound like foul play, much as I hate to say it.

Such a beautiful little girl, she looks like an angel.   :sad:

If anyone has dared to harm her in any way.... :smt093

I am so, so sick of these perverts waltzing around like the earth (and all its innocent children!!) belong to them, like children are there for them to do whatever they want.

Well, you pervs, you are wrong!!! We are so sick of you all, these children are innocent, they have a right to live and to be free and to be happy and to grow up!! They are human beings, not playthings to use and then discard!!!

Lindsey, sweet girl, please please come home safe. Many people are praying for you!!  :smt058


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 04:25:45 AM
Police list signs of possible abduction suspects
10-year-old missing: McCleary ‘pretty much searched’ since Friday

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian
Published: 07/02/09  12:00 am

As the days pass and searchers in McCleary find no sign of missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, investigators have to consider it likely that the child was taken from the street against her will, Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said Wednesday.

Lindsey disappeared Friday night after leaving a friend’s house to walk alone about a half-mile to her home on Mommsen Road.

The last person to see Lindsey was a resident driving though McCleary who saw her walking on Maple Street between Fifth and Sixth streets about 9:15 p.m. She was about halfway home, near the center of town.

For five days, a massive search undertaken by law enforcement has yielded no clues about what might have happened to Lindsey, Scott said.

Scott said it is unlikely that Lindsey would have been able to run away from home and remain hidden, given the media attention generated by her disappearance.

If someone is responsible for Linsdey’s disappearance, he or she might be exhibiting odd behavior or showing warning signs, Scott said. People should be on the lookout for these signs among friends, co-workers and even loved ones, he said.

Scott suggested that one or more of the following warning signs might raise a red flag and should result in a call to police:

 • Someone suddenly changing his or her physical appearance, such as cutting or dyeing hair or shaving a mustache or beard.

 • Someone suddenly getting rid of a car.

 • An unexplained or out-of-character absence from work.

 • Unexplained cuts or bruises to the face or arms.

 • Someone picking up or resuming bad habits such as smoking or drinking, or changes in mood, such as being depressed or irritable for no apparent reason.

Wednesday’s search for Lindsey focused on areas 3 to 4 miles outside McCleary and included about 20 people and search dogs, Scott said. The search included logging roads and private roads that were accessible when Lindsey went missing, he said.

The landfill in McCleary also was searched for clues Wednesday.

“We’ve pretty much searched the city of McCleary and the immediate area surrounding that,” Scott said.

No planes or helicopters were used in Wednesday’s search, but there might be another air search later, he added.

Anyone with information about Lindsey’s disappearance is asked to call the Grays Harbor County 9-1-1 center at 360-533-8765 or 866-915-8299.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/797683.html




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 02, 2009, 09:44:18 AM
Southernbelle WELCOME


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 09:48:57 AM
FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The massive ground search for the missing 10-year-old girl was scaled back on Wednesday as investigators turned the focus of their work from searching to following up on tips they've received.

On Wednesday a second person came forward to report having seen Lindsey Baum on Friday night as she walked home along Maple Street from a friend's house.

Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

Lindsey Baum is 4 foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 09:50:02 AM
 ::cartwheel::  Welcome Southernbelle  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 09:55:26 AM
From the last article I posted they state a second person has come forward that saw Lindsey.  Where was this sighting? Also they now are saying that it could be someone she knew who was hiding in the bushes.  Is she being held in the are against her will?  Do the houses have basements there?  What abotu outbuildings?  This area  is a logging route, could there be something by one of the logging sites and the person works there and visits a shed often which would look normal as part of everyday work?  The construction at the school - have they brought in trailers and have they been checked?  What about the farms in the area - have owners been asked to check their outbuildings?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 09:59:19 AM
Missing Girl's Father: 'I Just Want My Daughter'

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Five days after a Grays Harbor County girl vanished, police are now searching through a landfill for any sign of Lindsey Baum.

Baum, 10, disappeared Friday night while walking home at about 9 p.m.

Lindsey’s father, Greg Baum, lives in Tennessee and has been trying to come to McCleary, but is getting ready to deploy to Iraq. He said he feel helpless, but knows the police are doing all they can.

"Right now I'm just praying that she's found and she's found safe," Lindsey’s father said.

Two Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Officials worked endlessly Wednesday sorting through one-third of McCleary’s garbage, hoping to find a clue that could lead to Lindsey.“We're looking for any signs of evidence of the missing girl. We're looking for clothing Lindsey may have been wearing," said Chief Deputy Dave Pimentel. “And of course the un-talkable."

Baum believes his daughter has been abducted, but is holding on to hope.

“We're gonna bring Lindsey home. We're gonna find her and if I have to knock on every door in Grays Harbor County to do that we will," said Rick Scott of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

The search at the landfill and additional ground searches Wednesday have continued to come up empty.

Investigators are now asking people in town to report any odd behavior by their friends or family since Lindsey vanished. Something as slight as an unexplained scratch on the arm could be important.

Lindsey's father said if someone has his little girl they need to let her go.

"I just want my daughter home safe. Just give her back to us," Baum said. On Monday, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, also said she believes her daughter was abducted. WATCH IT: Missing Girl's Mother Says She's Getting 'Panicky'
Scott said his department is not yet ready to conclude that Lindsey was abducted because there is no evidence to indicate that's what occurred. Since Friday, police and FBI agents have been stopping cars, volunteers handed out fliers and Thurston County dive teams have searched local creeks. Other officers took the contents out Dumpsters looking for clues. A candlelight prayer vigil was also held Tuesday in McCleary. Anyone with information is asked to call the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office at 1-866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/19921451/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew

McCLEARY, Wash. -- A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance.

Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

Volunteers and police have been going door-to-door to talk to every person in McCleary.

Officially, search coordinators with the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said they are not leaning any direction yet as to what happened to Lindsey.

Investigators have not found any evidence to suggest she was kidnapped, got lost or just ran away.

Schmidt said the majority of abducted children are taken by people they know.

Schmidt said statistically, most abducted children are murdered within 24 hours. But, he said, that doesn’t make searchers give up hope.

“I’ve seen positive results," Schmidt said. "There’s proven cases out there of kids being found a couple of years later."

A spokesperson for Lindsey's mother says the family is holding out hope and trying to stay positive, but as time passes they say that's harder to do.

Late Tuesday night, residents of McCleary gathered in the city park to hold a vigil for a Lindsey, a familiar bright face to many of them.

"Honestly, I know she's alive," Melissa Baum, the missing girl's mother told KING 5. "And I just wanted everybody watching for her."

Melissa Baum says she's thankful for all that people have done for her family. Lindsey's father, who lives in Tennessee, is expected to arrive in town on Friday.

Lindsey is 4-foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/stories/ktvbn-jul0109-missing_girl.2649768b.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: MuffyBee on July 02, 2009, 10:17:57 AM
From the last article I posted they state a second person has come forward that saw Lindsey.  Where was this sighting? Also they now are saying that it could be someone she knew who was hiding in the bushes.  Is she being held in the are against her will?  Do the houses have basements there?  What abotu outbuildings?  This area  is a logging route, could there be something by one of the logging sites and the person works there and visits a shed often which would look normal as part of everyday work?  The construction at the school - have they brought in trailers and have they been checked?  What about the farms in the area - have owners been asked to check their outbuildings?
Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

NRose~  The article you posted in your previous post said ".. if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes."   The way I read it, it means it's probably a person she is familiar with and out in the open.  I don't read it as literally as you commented here " Also they now are saying that it could be someone [/b]she knew who was hiding in the bushes.  I think "hiding in the bushes" is simply a way of saying the person wasn't hidden, not that they think the person actually was known to Lindsey and was hiding in the bushes. 
Good morning to you and all the monkeys.  I came by here first to see if there was any word on Lindsey.  I pray she will be found safe; maybe today is the day.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 02, 2009, 10:23:27 AM
Thanks for all the updates, I think also it was someone Lindsey knew.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: JessStar on July 02, 2009, 10:49:40 AM
FWIW, my instincts have told me all along that this isn't/wasn't a "true" stranger abduction, meaning that Lindsey is "somehow" acquainted with the person that has her.  My biggest concern is that that "person" is someone she was communicating with on the internet, perhaps through the school or library computers, who preyed on her sensitive emotional state.  Based on what I've read, Lindsey was somewhat of a troubled child, meaning that she had stressers in her life that children of her age aren't adequately equipped to deal with--namely a divorce and a father who lives thousands of miles away who apparently indicated that he wasn't coming back anytime soon and was being deployed to Iraq.  That makes her vulnerable.  Regardless of whether comments she made on her myspace page and perhaps elsewhere lead some to believe that she was a little advanced for a 10 year old, the fact remains that she has a brain and mind of a ten year old child.  She's unable to fully understand the consequences of her acts.  She's impressionable.  She's naive.  She's a child.  And her mental capacity is that of a 10 year old.  That's what scares me most about this case.

Having said that, my instincts tell me that the person who has her is local and that Lindsey personally knows him.  Why?  Because this appears to be a an "abduction of opportunity," not a planned abduction.  Lindsey wasn't doing something that she characteristically did--she wasn't following a pattern such that the perp knew exactly where she was going to be and at what time.  I think Lindsey went willingly with this person under false pretenses.  This makes the case scarier yet.

So, who would the potential suspects be?  In my mind, they fall into two categories.  Fathers and brothers of friends and teachers.  My questions to KaraK or others that knew Lindsey are these:  (A) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers whom Lindsey spoke highly about, or with whom Lindsey seemed to have a close relationship?  (B) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that Lindsey seemed to have a crush on?  That she talked about alot?  That she perhaps spoke about in a more intimate fashion?  (Lindsey's best friends would be the best source of this information) (C) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers who seemed to pay particular attention to her?  or who talked about her alot?  or who seemed, as weird as this may sound, to have a crush on her?  (D) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that bought her things out of the ordinary, took her places, or treated her uncharacteristically kind?  (E) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that seemed to be obsessed with her?




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 02, 2009, 11:18:16 AM
FWIW, my instincts have told me all along that this isn't/wasn't a "true" stranger abduction, meaning that Lindsey is "somehow" acquainted with the person that has her.  My biggest concern is that that "person" is someone she was communicating with on the internet, perhaps through the school or library computers, who preyed on her sensitive emotional state.  Based on what I've read, Lindsey was somewhat of a troubled child, meaning that she had stressers in her life that children of her age aren't adequately equipped to deal with--namely a divorce and a father who lives thousands of miles away who apparently indicated that he wasn't coming back anytime soon and was being deployed to Iraq.  That makes her vulnerable.  Regardless of whether comments she made on her myspace page and perhaps elsewhere lead some to believe that she was a little advanced for a 10 year old, the fact remains that she has a brain and mind of a ten year old child.  She's unable to fully understand the consequences of her acts.  She's impressionable.  She's naive.  She's a child.  And her mental capacity is that of a 10 year old.  That's what scares me most about this case.

Having said that, my instincts tell me that the person who has her is local and that Lindsey personally knows him.  Why?  Because this appears to be a an "abduction of opportunity," not a planned abduction.  Lindsey wasn't doing something that she characteristically did--she wasn't following a pattern such that the perp knew exactly where she was going to be and at what time.  I think Lindsey went willingly with this person under false pretenses.  This makes the case scarier yet.

So, who would the potential suspects be?  In my mind, they fall into two categories.  Fathers and brothers of friends and teachers.  My questions to KaraK or others that knew Lindsey are these:  (A) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers whom Lindsey spoke highly about, or with whom Lindsey seemed to have a close relationship?  (B) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that Lindsey seemed to have a crush on?  That she talked about alot?  That she perhaps spoke about in a more intimate fashion?  (Lindsey's best friends would be the best source of this information) (C) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers who seemed to pay particular attention to her?  or who talked about her alot?  or who seemed, as weird as this may sound, to have a crush on her?  (D) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that bought her things out of the ordinary, took her places, or treated her uncharacteristically kind?  (E) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that seemed to be obsessed with her?




JESSSTAR, I usually only read along over here and have never posted here before. I think a female cannot be ruled out, at least as an assesory to get her to go with her. I am sorry to say this, but we have seen it happen at least two times before in the past few months. I hope the lady who saw her the two times on the last day she was seen has been well checked out. I am meaning the one that broke up the arguement between Lindsey and her brother, and also saw her again on the way to work. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 11:34:17 AM
From the last article I posted they state a second person has come forward that saw Lindsey.  Where was this sighting? Also they now are saying that it could be someone she knew who was hiding in the bushes.  Is she being held in the are against her will?  Do the houses have basements there?  What abotu outbuildings?  This area  is a logging route, could there be something by one of the logging sites and the person works there and visits a shed often which would look normal as part of everyday work?  The construction at the school - have they brought in trailers and have they been checked?  What about the farms in the area - have owners been asked to check their outbuildings?
Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

NRose~  The article you posted in your previous post said ".. if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes."   The way I read it, it means it's probably a person she is familiar with and out in the open.  I don't read it as literally as you commented here " Also they now are saying that it could be someone [/b]she knew who was hiding in the bushes.  I think "hiding in the bushes" is simply a way of saying the person wasn't hidden, not that they think the person actually was known to Lindsey and was hiding in the bushes. 
Good morning to you and all the monkeys.  I came by here first to see if there was any word on Lindsey.  I pray she will be found safe; maybe today is the day.   

Muffy Thank you.  I misread it the first time. You are correct.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 11:38:49 AM
FWIW, my instincts have told me all along that this isn't/wasn't a "true" stranger abduction, meaning that Lindsey is "somehow" acquainted with the person that has her.  My biggest concern is that that "person" is someone she was communicating with on the internet, perhaps through the school or library computers, who preyed on her sensitive emotional state.  Based on what I've read, Lindsey was somewhat of a troubled child, meaning that she had stressers in her life that children of her age aren't adequately equipped to deal with--namely a divorce and a father who lives thousands of miles away who apparently indicated that he wasn't coming back anytime soon and was being deployed to Iraq.  That makes her vulnerable.  Regardless of whether comments she made on her myspace page and perhaps elsewhere lead some to believe that she was a little advanced for a 10 year old, the fact remains that she has a brain and mind of a ten year old child.  She's unable to fully understand the consequences of her acts.  She's impressionable.  She's naive.  She's a child.  And her mental capacity is that of a 10 year old.  That's what scares me most about this case.

Having said that, my instincts tell me that the person who has her is local and that Lindsey personally knows him.  Why?  Because this appears to be a an "abduction of opportunity," not a planned abduction.  Lindsey wasn't doing something that she characteristically did--she wasn't following a pattern such that the perp knew exactly where she was going to be and at what time.  I think Lindsey went willingly with this person under false pretenses.  This makes the case scarier yet.

So, who would the potential suspects be?  In my mind, they fall into two categories.  Fathers and brothers of friends and teachers.  My questions to KaraK or others that knew Lindsey are these:  (A) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers whom Lindsey spoke highly about, or with whom Lindsey seemed to have a close relationship?  (B) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that Lindsey seemed to have a crush on?  That she talked about alot?  That she perhaps spoke about in a more intimate fashion?  (Lindsey's best friends would be the best source of this information) (C) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers who seemed to pay particular attention to her?  or who talked about her alot?  or who seemed, as weird as this may sound, to have a crush on her?  (D) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that bought her things out of the ordinary, took her places, or treated her uncharacteristically kind?  (E) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that seemed to be obsessed with her?




JESSSTAR, I usually only read along over here and have never posted here before. I think a female cannot be ruled out, at least as an assesory to get her to go with her. I am sorry to say this, but we have seen it happen at least two times before in the past few months. I hope the lady who saw her the two times on the last day she was seen has been well checked out. I am meaning the one that broke up the arguement between Lindsey and her brother, and also saw her again on the way to work. JMO

The walk home was not as direct as normal from all that we have learned so far.  Did she deviate as she was going to swing by to say hello to someone on the way?  Was there some specific reason she did not go directly down the street to the 3 way crossing?  Who or what is along the actual route she was taking that she was familiar with/wanted to see/had been discussing?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 01:23:53 PM
I have been lying awake all night wracking my brain; thinking all morning, where is this girl.  I've been looking on topo and mining maps.  so I am just going to start tossing out anything that comes to my mind.  Sorry if some of it might sound crazy etc, but maybe if we just get a brainstorming session going one of us will get an idea. 

on the map I noticed the dam to the north of town and a gravel pit to the west of town.

if this is an old "mill town" wood was no problem when building the town.  In towns like this they will use excessive amounts of wood.  The older houses built when these mills were put in will have attics with "pull down" stairs.  I don't know how much it snows there in the winter but I imagine quite a bit?  this allows for extremely pitched roofs and lots of room in the attics.  someone might have her in the attic.  police need to check those attic entrances, and a lot of them in those old mill houses are in the closet ceilings.

in a mill town there is obviously a lot of logging and loggers, they are so familiar with the woods.  They also will drive down skid trails that no one in their right minds would ever think of driving on.  I don't know if they have water "flumes" up there or not, but a lot of times there will be old shed buildings along the flumes. 

another thing in areas like this are old run down no longer used hunting shacks. 

there are also "rain-catching" structures   I don't know how to describe these but they are out there to measure rain

also does the forest service have old fire lookout towers out in the woods that no one is using now? 

what is the mining like in the area?  did they have old 1800's mines then.  I will get someone to do a thorough search for those today.  some of those old mines are very hard to find and no long on any maps.  I will get ahold of a geologist I know and have them start looking for any in the area.  also caves.. is this a volcanic area with tunnels?

let me think more   





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 02, 2009, 01:34:16 PM
I have been lying awake all night wracking my brain; thinking all morning, where is this girl.  I've been looking on topo and mining maps.  so I am just going to start tossing out anything that comes to my mind.  Sorry if some of it might sound crazy etc, but maybe if we just get a brainstorming session going one of us will get an idea. 

on the map I noticed the dam to the north of town and a gravel pit to the west of town.

if this is an old "mill town" wood was no problem when building the town.  In towns like this they will use excessive amounts of wood.  The older houses built when these mills were put in will have attics with "pull down" stairs.  I don't know how much it snows there in the winter but I imagine quite a bit?  this allows for extremely pitched roofs and lots of room in the attics.  someone might have her in the attic.  police need to check those attic entrances, and a lot of them in those old mill houses are in the closet ceilings.

in a mill town there is obviously a lot of logging and loggers, they are so familiar with the woods.  They also will drive down skid trails that no one in their right minds would ever think of driving on.  I don't know if they have water "flumes" up there or not, but a lot of times there will be old shed buildings along the flumes. 

another thing in areas like this are old run down no longer used hunting shacks. 

there are also "rain-catching" structures   I don't know how to describe these but they are out there to measure rain

also does the forest service have old fire lookout towers out in the woods that no one is using now? 

what is the mining like in the area?  did they have old 1800's mines then.  I will get someone to do a thorough search for those today.  some of those old mines are very hard to find and no long on any maps.  I will get ahold of a geologist I know and have them start looking for any in the area.  also caves.. is this a volcanic area with tunnels?

let me think more   





We are not super familiar with the layout and what structures lie where but we were curious about the same thing. We are also not sure why every house has not been checked. I'd be curious to see how many people in town would refuse a house search. I don't believe that there is not some sort of evidence in or at least near McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: JessStar on July 02, 2009, 01:41:11 PM
FWIW, my instincts have told me all along that this isn't/wasn't a "true" stranger abduction, meaning that Lindsey is "somehow" acquainted with the person that has her.  My biggest concern is that that "person" is someone she was communicating with on the internet, perhaps through the school or library computers, who preyed on her sensitive emotional state.  Based on what I've read, Lindsey was somewhat of a troubled child, meaning that she had stressers in her life that children of her age aren't adequately equipped to deal with--namely a divorce and a father who lives thousands of miles away who apparently indicated that he wasn't coming back anytime soon and was being deployed to Iraq.  That makes her vulnerable.  Regardless of whether comments she made on her myspace page and perhaps elsewhere lead some to believe that she was a little advanced for a 10 year old, the fact remains that she has a brain and mind of a ten year old child.  She's unable to fully understand the consequences of her acts.  She's impressionable.  She's naive.  She's a child.  And her mental capacity is that of a 10 year old.  That's what scares me most about this case.

Having said that, my instincts tell me that the person who has her is local and that Lindsey personally knows him.  Why?  Because this appears to be a an "abduction of opportunity," not a planned abduction.  Lindsey wasn't doing something that she characteristically did--she wasn't following a pattern such that the perp knew exactly where she was going to be and at what time.  I think Lindsey went willingly with this person under false pretenses.  This makes the case scarier yet.

So, who would the potential suspects be?  In my mind, they fall into two categories.  Fathers and brothers of friends and teachers.  My questions to KaraK or others that knew Lindsey are these:  (A) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers whom Lindsey spoke highly about, or with whom Lindsey seemed to have a close relationship?  (B) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that Lindsey seemed to have a crush on?  That she talked about alot?  That she perhaps spoke about in a more intimate fashion?  (Lindsey's best friends would be the best source of this information) (C) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers who seemed to pay particular attention to her?  or who talked about her alot?  or who seemed, as weird as this may sound, to have a crush on her?  (D) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that bought her things out of the ordinary, took her places, or treated her uncharacteristically kind?  (E) are there any fathers or brothers of Lindsey's friends or teachers that seemed to be obsessed with her?




JESSSTAR, I usually only read along over here and have never posted here before. I think a female cannot be ruled out, at least as an assesory to get her to go with her. I am sorry to say this, but we have seen it happen at least two times before in the past few months. I hope the lady who saw her the two times on the last day she was seen has been well checked out. I am meaning the one that broke up the arguement between Lindsey and her brother, and also saw her again on the way to work. JMO

The walk home was not as direct as normal from all that we have learned so far.  Did she deviate as she was going to swing by to say hello to someone on the way?  Was there some specific reason she did not go directly down the street to the 3 way crossing?  Who or what is along the actual route she was taking that she was familiar with/wanted to see/had been discussing?

You're right, FM, no one can be ruled out.  But to me, this case has a little bit of a different twist to it that makes a male perp more likely--that twist is an impressionable 10 year old that is craving a father figure.  Or at least the attention of a father figure.  That 's just my instinct.  But I wouldn't rule out the possibility that a female is involved somehow, nor I would not rule out the possibility that her apparent abduction was not the act of a predator.  There are other possibilities, some more likely than others, but I prefer not to discuss them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 02, 2009, 01:58:53 PM
I have been lying awake all night wracking my brain; thinking all morning, where is this girl.  I've been looking on topo and mining maps.  so I am just going to start tossing out anything that comes to my mind.  Sorry if some of it might sound crazy etc, but maybe if we just get a brainstorming session going one of us will get an idea. 

on the map I noticed the dam to the north of town and a gravel pit to the west of town.

if this is an old "mill town" wood was no problem when building the town.  In towns like this they will use excessive amounts of wood.  The older houses built when these mills were put in will have attics with "pull down" stairs.  I don't know how much it snows there in the winter but I imagine quite a bit?  this allows for extremely pitched roofs and lots of room in the attics.  someone might have her in the attic.  police need to check those attic entrances, and a lot of them in those old mill houses are in the closet ceilings.

in a mill town there is obviously a lot of logging and loggers, they are so familiar with the woods.  They also will drive down skid trails that no one in their right minds would ever think of driving on.  I don't know if they have water "flumes" up there or not, but a lot of times there will be old shed buildings along the flumes. 

another thing in areas like this are old run down no longer used hunting shacks. 

there are also "rain-catching" structures   I don't know how to describe these but they are out there to measure rain

also does the forest service have old fire lookout towers out in the woods that no one is using now? 

what is the mining like in the area?  did they have old 1800's mines then.  I will get someone to do a thorough search for those today.  some of those old mines are very hard to find and no long on any maps.  I will get ahold of a geologist I know and have them start looking for any in the area.  also caves.. is this a volcanic area with tunnels?

let me think more   





We are not super familiar with the layout and what structures lie where but we were curious about the same thing. We are also not sure why every house has not been checked. I'd be curious to see how many people in town would refuse a house search. I don't believe that there is not some sort of evidence in or at least near McCleary.

DD and Kara, I couldn't agree more.  However, where my mind is going is to basements.  Do the homes have basements there?  I don't think a house can be searched without probable cause, however, maybe an effort should be made to get people to volunteer to have their home searched to eliminate it.  I know that would take a tremendous amount of man power; however, I am praying Lindsey is still alive and is silently screaming to be found.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 02, 2009, 02:27:06 PM
I am sorry, and do not wish to offend anyone. But if there has not been a house to house search done on the route or potential route Lindsey took toward her home, that really sets up my alarm bells. Think Jessica Lundsford in Florida. This makes me think more and more of her being right in the McCleary area. Please God, I hope the LE is doing a lot more than what we know.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 02, 2009, 02:28:43 PM
I am sorry, and do not wish to offend anyone. But if there has not been a house to house search done on the route or potential route Lindsey took toward her home, that really sets up my alarm bells. Think Jessica Lundsford in Florida. This makes me think more and more of her being right in the McCleary area. Please God, I hope the LE is doing a lot more than what we know.   ::MonkeyAngel::
I agree, and now with this article, maybe LE has some good idea what happened.   http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070109-missinggirl,0,12523.story


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 02:57:06 PM
Missing girl: Police list signs of possible abduction suspects
10-Year-Old Missing: McCleary ‘pretty much searched’ since Friday

As the days pass and searchers in McCleary find no sign of missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, investigators have to consider it likely that the child was taken from the street against her will, Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said Wednesday.

Lindsey disappeared Friday night after leaving a friend’s house to walk alone about a half-mile to her home on Mommsen Road.

The last person to see Lindsey was a resident driving though McCleary who saw her walking on Maple Street between Fifth and Sixth streets about 9:15 p.m. She was about halfway home, near the center of town.

For five days, a massive search undertaken by law enforcement has yielded no clues about what might have happened to Lindsey, Scott said.

Scott said it is unlikely that Lindsey would have been able to run away from home and remain hidden, given the media attention generated by her disappearance.

If someone is responsible for Linsdey’s disappearance, he or she might be exhibiting odd behavior or showing warning signs, Scott said. People should be on the lookout for these signs among friends, co-workers and even loved ones, he said.

Scott suggested that one or more of the following warning signs might raise a red flag and should result in a call to police:

 • Someone suddenly changing his or her physical appearance, such as cutting or dyeing hair or shaving a mustache or beard.

 • Someone suddenly getting rid of a car.

 • An unexplained or out-of-character absence from work.

 • Unexplained cuts or bruises to the face or arms.

 • Someone picking up or resuming bad habits such as smoking or drinking, or changes in mood, such as being depressed or irritable for no apparent reason.

Wednesday’s search for Lindsey focused on areas 3 to 4 miles outside McCleary and included about 20 people and search dogs, Scott said. The search included logging roads and private roads that were accessible when Lindsey went missing, he said.

The landfill in McCleary also was searched for clues Wednesday.

“We’ve pretty much searched the city of McCleary and the immediate area surrounding that,” Scott said.

No planes or helicopters were used in Wednesday’s search, but there might be another air search later, he added.

Anyone with information about Lindsey’s disappearance is asked to call the Grays Harbor County 9-1-1 center at 360-533-8765 or 866-915-8299.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/updates/story/797683.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 02:58:15 PM
Search for missing McCleary girl tapering off
 
 
 
 

Associated Press - July 2, 2009 12:55 PM ET

McCLEARY, Wash. (AP) - After nearly a week the search for a missing McCleary girl is tapering off.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott say investigators are reviewing the case. They still would like to talk to anyone who may have seen anything unusual in McCleary between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m. Friday when Lindsey Baum was walking home from a friend's house.

Scott also is urging people to report any unusual behavior that might point to an abductor, such as suddenly cutting or dyeing hair, an unexplained absence from work or cuts or bruises on the arms and face.

Lindsey is 4 foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

http://www.kndo.com/Global/story.asp?S=10635952&nav=menu484_2




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: JessStar on July 02, 2009, 03:08:46 PM
I am sorry, and do not wish to offend anyone. But if there has not been a house to house search done on the route or potential route Lindsey took toward her home, that really sets up my alarm bells. Think Jessica Lundsford in Florida. This makes me think more and more of her being right in the McCleary area. Please God, I hope the LE is doing a lot more than what we know.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I so agree, FM.  There was a little girl abducted from my area about 12 years ago when she was 14.  She was found in 2006 chained in the basement of her abductor's home.  That is so rare, though.  The stastics of an abducted child being found alive after beign missing for a week are heartbreakingly low. Nonetheless, I am the eternal optimist, and never lose hope until the moment I'm proven wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 03:36:41 PM
I am sorry, and do not wish to offend anyone. But if there has not been a house to house search done on the route or potential route Lindsey took toward her home, that really sets up my alarm bells. Think Jessica Lundsford in Florida. This makes me think more and more of her being right in the McCleary area. Please God, I hope the LE is doing a lot more than what we know.   ::MonkeyAngel::
I agree, and now with this article, maybe LE has some good idea what happened.   http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070109-missinggirl,0,12523.story

but law enforcement officials have suspended their search and rescue efforts for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

While the investigation continues, crews have stopped combing the area  for the girl. Search dogs, ATVs, helicopters and planes will no longer be utilized.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott told Q13 FOX News that crews have thoroughly searched the area around McCleary. Now, this case is shifting into more of an investigation, with 30 officers trying to develop new leads.

Authorities say, by now, it's very unlikely that Baum has run away from home and it's possible that someone has kidnapped her.

Scott spoke about his department has uncovered so far, and what it means about the future of the investigation.

"It suggests that she's been removed from this immediate environment," Scott said. "But we don't have the evidence to support that theory, so we have to continue to be as comprehensive as we were from day one."

so they have basically quit searching for her hmmm ??? seems a bit quick to stop doesn't it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 04:17:27 PM

Focus now on abduction
BY JACOB JONES The Daily World
Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
JACOB JONES | THE DAILY WORLD

Search crews and dogs continued to comb the streets of McCleary and nearby woods Wednesday looking for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, but authorities have started to shift toward an abduction investigation as the hunt entered its sixth day.

“We are starting to look at this as more of a criminal investigation,” Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said. “The possibility that someone has facilitated her disappearance is becoming greater as the hours tick on.”

Baum disappeared late Friday while walking home from a friend’s house. No evidence of her whereabouts has turned up despite confirmed sightings of her just blocks from home shortly after 9 p.m.

Scott said the large search effort from the weekend has been scaled down from dozens spread throughout the surrounding areas to a group of about 20 specialized searchers targeting specific areas.

“We’ve found no evidence of her being here,” he said. “We’ve found no evidence of her disappearance.”

Local authorities, with support from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, have stepped up inquiries into people that may have known Baum or lived nearby.

Ron Twersky, assistant special agent in charge from the Seattle FBI field office, said people should report strange behavior or “just anything that doesn’t seem right.”

“The bottom line is we have a missing girl,” Twersky told reporters Wednesday, emphasizing investigators are examining all leads.

Scott said people should watch for any unusual social behavior, ranging from increased alcohol use and smoking to anyone who suddenly wants to leave the area or sell their car. McCleary residents should report any suspicions to authorities.

“They may have an association with someone who knows something,” he said, “so if they suspect that, please be the person who has the courage to come forward.”

Scott said that from the beginning, investigators have explored the possibility of family members or friends being involved. Baum’s mother and the stepfather of the young girl Baum had been visiting just before she disappeared have both taken voluntary polygraph tests to aid the investigation.

“They asked to be polygraphed so that we would be comfortable with what we were being told and we could move on to other things,” Scott said. “They did not want us to be wasting valuable time.”

Scott said he was “comfortable” with their answers.

Throughout the search, investigators have spoken with Baum’s father, who lives in Tennessee, Scott said. The father has now booked a flight to Washington for this weekend.

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

Twersky said the FBI has more than a dozen agents in McCleary assisting with the investigation, including specialists from the regional Child Abduction Rapid Deployment team. Behavioral profilers have also offered input on any potential kidnappers.

“Because this is a missing child, we’ll take any advice we can,” he said.

Twersky refused to speculate on any statistics or chances of locating the girl. He again asked people to report any suspicious behavior, but warned against starting a “witch hunt.”

Few new details were available this morning. Sheriff Mike Whelan and Scott spoke on the “Live at Nine” radio show on KXRO early today in further attempts to get information out to surrounding communities.

“It’s more likely at this point that she’s been abducted than anything else,” Whelan said on the show. “There are so many variables, so many things that might have happened to this child. We really, at this point, don’t know if she went willingly or unwillingly.”

After five days of searching under a hot sun, the group of volunteers and officers was noticeably smaller Wednesday afternoon as they continued to rally at the command center outside McCleary City Hall.

Search dogs rested in the shade. Smaller teams came and went. No planes flew overhead.

Scott said the search would have to continue to expand beyond the city limits, targeting logging roads or other remote areas farther afield. But he vowed it would go on as long as necessary.

“We’re going to bring Lindsey home,” he said. “We will find her. If I have to knock on every door in Grays Harbor County to do that, I will.”

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 04:28:32 PM
Latest Map: Credit to jvk over yonder:

(http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3284/newmap04.png)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Rob on July 02, 2009, 04:49:26 PM
so they have basically quit searching for her hmmm ??? seems a bit quick to stop doesn't it?

I have the premise that someone got off of Route 8 for gas at the Shell station and saw her before the station and abducted her.

Crime of opportunity.

I don't think Lindsey is around McCleary at all.

The Shell station could still contain images of a SUV, truck or car used in the Abduction. (as it passed by leaving)

I believe the person lives with 120 miles of McCleary and has stopped here for gas before. I bet at the exit ramp there is a sign that says "Fuel next exit".

Sorry to say - but I don't think she is in a basement ... I could be wrong of-course, but I think Lindsey is not near the last known sighting.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
Arrested 7/1 for failure to register: 40 year old RSO
I don't know where exactly they arrested him at:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=172886
Criminal History:
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/InmateDetail.asp?SrchNameNo=36241

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=749016&AgencyID=54528


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 05:11:33 PM
Latest Map: Credit to jvk over yonder:

(http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3284/newmap04.png)


Pink Angel

Thank you.

I am terrible with maps.  Your map and guide makes comprehending the route Lindsey took so simple.

Why would Lindsey take any other route?

I still cannot comprehend the witness sighting when you consider the service station surviellance camera did not capture her image.

Sometimes I get a hinky feeling regarding the entire scenario but ... right now I am not going to go there.

Thanks again Pink Angel.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 05:13:48 PM
Janet, an article a page or two back said someone else had come forward Tuesday or Wed. saying they saw her on the walk home. Let me find it for you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 05:17:04 PM

Focus now on abduction
BY JACOB JONES The Daily World
Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
JACOB JONES | THE DAILY WORLD

Search crews and dogs continued to comb the streets of McCleary and nearby woods Wednesday looking for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, but authorities have started to shift toward an abduction investigation as the hunt entered its sixth day.

“We are starting to look at this as more of a criminal investigation,” Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said. “The possibility that someone has facilitated her disappearance is becoming greater as the hours tick on.”

Baum disappeared late Friday while walking home from a friend’s house. No evidence of her whereabouts has turned up despite confirmed sightings of her just blocks from home shortly after 9 p.m.

Scott said the large search effort from the weekend has been scaled down from dozens spread throughout the surrounding areas to a group of about 20 specialized searchers targeting specific areas.

“We’ve found no evidence of her being here,” he said. “We’ve found no evidence of her disappearance.”

Local authorities, with support from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, have stepped up inquiries into people that may have known Baum or lived nearby.

Ron Twersky, assistant special agent in charge from the Seattle FBI field office, said people should report strange behavior or “just anything that doesn’t seem right.”

“The bottom line is we have a missing girl,” Twersky told reporters Wednesday, emphasizing investigators are examining all leads.

Scott said people should watch for any unusual social behavior, ranging from increased alcohol use and smoking to anyone who suddenly wants to leave the area or sell their car. McCleary residents should report any suspicions to authorities.

“They may have an association with someone who knows something,” he said, “so if they suspect that, please be the person who has the courage to come forward.”

Scott said that from the beginning, investigators have explored the possibility of family members or friends being involved. Baum’s mother and the stepfather of the young girl Baum had been visiting just before she disappeared have both taken voluntary polygraph tests to aid the investigation.

“They asked to be polygraphed so that we would be comfortable with what we were being told and we could move on to other things,” Scott said. “They did not want us to be wasting valuable time.”

Scott said he was “comfortable” with their answers.

Throughout the search, investigators have spoken with Baum’s father, who lives in Tennessee, Scott said. The father has now booked a flight to Washington for this weekend.

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

Twersky said the FBI has more than a dozen agents in McCleary assisting with the investigation, including specialists from the regional Child Abduction Rapid Deployment team. Behavioral profilers have also offered input on any potential kidnappers.

“Because this is a missing child, we’ll take any advice we can,” he said.

Twersky refused to speculate on any statistics or chances of locating the girl. He again asked people to report any suspicious behavior, but warned against starting a “witch hunt.”

Few new details were available this morning. Sheriff Mike Whelan and Scott spoke on the “Live at Nine” radio show on KXRO early today in further attempts to get information out to surrounding communities.

“It’s more likely at this point that she’s been abducted than anything else,” Whelan said on the show. “There are so many variables, so many things that might have happened to this child. We really, at this point, don’t know if she went willingly or unwillingly.”

After five days of searching under a hot sun, the group of volunteers and officers was noticeably smaller Wednesday afternoon as they continued to rally at the command center outside McCleary City Hall.

Search dogs rested in the shade. Smaller teams came and went. No planes flew overhead.

Scott said the search would have to continue to expand beyond the city limits, targeting logging roads or other remote areas farther afield. But he vowed it would go on as long as necessary.

“We’re going to bring Lindsey home,” he said. “We will find her. If I have to knock on every door in Grays Harbor County to do that, I will.”

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 05:22:46 PM
I am sorry, and do not wish to offend anyone. But if there has not been a house to house search done on the route or potential route Lindsey took toward her home, that really sets up my alarm bells. Think Jessica Lundsford in Florida. This makes me think more and more of her being right in the McCleary area. Please God, I hope the LE is doing a lot more than what we know.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I so agree, FM.  There was a little girl abducted from my area about 12 years ago when she was 14.  She was found in 2006 chained in the basement of her abductor's home.  That is so rare, though.  The stastics of an abducted child being found alive after beign missing for a week are heartbreakingly low. Nonetheless, I am the eternal optimist, and never lose hope until the moment I'm proven wrong.


Abby Drover speaks out on eve of parole hearing
Last Updated: Friday, January 19, 2001 | 5:37 PM ET
CBC News

The woman who was kidnapped, tortured and raped repeatedly for six months in a Port Moody dungeon 25 years ago, says her tormentor should never be released from prison.

Donald Alexander Hay was convicted in 1976 of kidnapping 12-year-old Abby Drover and imprisoning her for 181 days. He was sentenced to life imprisonment.

Now, after serving 25 years, he is eligible for parole. His hearing will be held on Friday.

Drover who is now a 38-year-old mother of five will be at that hearing. Although she will be a silent witness, she says her presence is important.

"I feel very strongly about that," she says. "I am very worried about him getting out of jail, and I would like to see that he doesn't."

Drover says it will be heart-stopping to even be in the same room as Hay. She says he is, and always will be, a very dangerous man. "He's an alcoholic and a paedophile, and that doesn't change."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/01/19/bc_drover010118.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 05:28:30 PM
Thank you Pink Angel

Then it can be assumed that Lindsey almost made it home.  Are there any registered sex offenders who reside between the sightings and her home?

I would assume that the area has been searched.

What time did Lindsey's brother arrive home.

When did these two witness come forward?

I apologize if answers to my questions have already been forthcoming.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 05:37:19 PM
Janet, one of the witnesses came forward immediately (it actually was a mom and her child, so two), the second on Tuesday. They both know the girl.

I don't know what time Josh got home that night. It's never been mentioned.

There are no RSO's on her path home. Just 2 or three in town. IIRC and LE has checked them all out, according to the articles. They did that early on.

As far as her not showing up on the Shell cameras. I saw the position of the 2 cameras and it doesn't surprise me she didn't show up. The positioning sucks.

Here are pictures taken by someone who lives close to the town and went into town to take pictures of area of interest. They give commentary with the pictures. They show both of the cameras at the Shell.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3925900&postcount=167



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 05:43:32 PM
Thanks again Pink Angel.

In the process of elimination  and ... considering she was spotted so close to home in her journey .. did Lindsey's mother and brother take a polygraph?  Was there a search warrant for the home and yard.

I doubt that Lindsey would have digress from her destination at the point where the witnesses observed her when it is considered that the dusk would have set in by that point.

I reside a three hour drive from Seattle and ... although it is not dark dark ... the sun has sent at approiximately 9:30 PM every night this week.  I have taken note.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on July 02, 2009, 05:45:33 PM
Thanks Pink Angel for the link to those pictures.  It does look like a sleepy safe little town. 

Funny how no one's mentioned the bus station.  Why does a town of 1200 have a bus station?  Where does it run?  How often? 

I live in a town of 60,000.  We have no bus terminal.  hmmmmm...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 05:47:08 PM
Thanks again Pink Angel.

In the process of elimination  and ... considering she was spotted so close to home in her journey .. did Lindsey's mother and brother take a polygraph?  Was there a search warrant for the home and yard.

I doubt that Lindsey would have digress from her destination at the point where the witnesses observed her when it is considered that the dusk would have set in by that point.

I reside a three hour drive from Seattle and ... although it is not dark dark ... the sun has sent at approiximately 9:30 PM every night this week.  I have taken note.

Janet



The mother volunteered one. It stated in an article, as did KaraK's boyfriend. The police said they were comfortable with both of their polys.
The brother wasn't mentioned.

I am sure they have searched the home and yard. That is pretty standard. I am betting it was done voluntarily as no warrant has been mentioned.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
Thanks Pink Angel for the link to those pictures.  It does look like a sleepy safe little town. 

Funny how no one's mentioned the bus station.  Why does a town of 1200 have a bus station?  Where does it run?  How often? 

I live in a town of 60,000.  We have no bus terminal.  hmmmmm...

I lived in a small town in IL growing up and we had a bus station.

County-wide public bus service is provided by the Grays Harbor Transportation Authority. Bus lines commute through McCleary  several times daily to county cities for 50 cents (one zone) and connect with Olympia.

The station is really nothing more than a few benches and bulletin board with the schedule with a fancy roof over it.

Looking at the bus schedule.. the last bus through is at 8:35 pm (heading to Aberdeen) the last Olympia bound bus goes through at 8:25 pm.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on July 02, 2009, 06:06:15 PM
Thanks Pink Angel for the link to those pictures.  It does look like a sleepy safe little town. 

Funny how no one's mentioned the bus station.  Why does a town of 1200 have a bus station?  Where does it run?  How often? 

I live in a town of 60,000.  We have no bus terminal.  hmmmmm...

I lived in a small town in IL growing up and we had a bus station.

County-wide public bus service is provided by the Grays Harbor Transportation Authority. Bus lines commute through McCleary  several times daily to county cities for 50 cents (one zone) and connect with Olympia.

The station is really nothing more than a few benches and bulletin board with the schedule with a fancy roof over it.

Looking at the bus schedule.. the last bus through is at 8:35 pm (heading to Aberdeen) the last Olympia bound bus goes through at 8:25 pm.

Thanks for the info.  So the bus station is a non issue.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 06:20:00 PM
Thanks again Pink Angel.

In the process of elimination  and ... considering she was spotted so close to home in her journey .. did Lindsey's mother and brother take a polygraph?  Was there a search warrant for the home and yard.

I doubt that Lindsey would have digress from her destination at the point where the witnesses observed her when it is considered that the dusk would have set in by that point.

I reside a three hour drive from Seattle and ... although it is not dark dark ... the sun has sent at approiximately 9:30 PM every night this week.  I have taken note.

Janet



The mother volunteered one. It stated in an article, as did KaraK's boyfriend. The police said they were comfortable with both of their polys.
The brother wasn't mentioned.

I am sure they have searched the home and yard. That is pretty standard. I am betting it was done voluntarily as no warrant has been mentioned.


Then it can be assumed that Lindsey went missing between where the witnesses observed her and home.

In the process of elimination  ... I would sure like to know more about the timeline surrounding Lindsey's brother.  What was the fight about ... the fight that warranted him being sent home?  What time did he arrive home?

I know all about sibling rivalry but ... it has bothered me that Lindsey stated in her Myspace that she was thankful her brother was going to "juvie".  IIRC

My grandkids have issues with each other.  However ... if one of them were to be sent away ... his/her siblings would be devasted.

Does that make sense?

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 06:22:41 PM
Anyways ... I am off.

A great July 4th weekend to all Monkeys.

Janet
3:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 06:25:34 PM
Missing girl's mother: 'Let her go'

02:38 PM PDT on Thursday, July 2, 2009

By DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News

Courtesy Melissa Baum

A search is under way in the town of McCleary for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

McCLEARY, Wash. - If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight.

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

Melissa Baum’s daughter vanished while walking home from a friend’s house in McCleary last Friday night.

Detectives said it’s possible the girl ran away, but after almost six days, they said it’s more likely she was abducted, perhaps by someone she knew.

Melissa Baum said she’s confident her daughter did not run away.

“She’s a mommy’s girl, she couldn’t be away from me that long,” said Melissa Baum.

Lindsey’s mother also said her daughter is too smart to be tricked by a stranger to get in their car.

“I joke that she’s 10 going on 16,” said Melissa Baum.

Melissa Baum said her daughter loves to read and write. She was working on a play.

Lindsey also loved animals. Melissa said Lindsey’s pet German Shepherd Cadence has been acting depressed since Lindsey vanished.

“That dog was her pillow,” said Melissa Baum.

Grays Harbor County scaled back volunteer search and rescue efforts Thursday.

“We’re not ending it, we’re just temporarily suspending it,” said Undersheriff Rick Scott.

Scott said most of Thursday’s work was conducted by detectives following up on tips and interviewing potential witnesses.

Lindsey Baum, 10, disappeared Friday from the small town of McCleary.

Melissa Baum said all she can do is wait by the phone for a call from police or Lindsey.

Lindsey’s mother believes her daughter is still alive, but said that is getting harder to do.

"I don't know if they're taking care of her or if they have her locked up somewhere," said Melissa Baum."They just need to let her go, let her come home."

Scott also is urging people to report any unusual behavior that might point to an abductor, such as suddenly cutting or dyeing hair, an unexplained absence from work or cuts or bruises on the arms and face.

Lindsey is 4-foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Investigators say both Lindsey's mom and the father of the friend at the home where Lindsey had just left have both voluntarily taken - and passed - polygraph tests, and they are not considered suspects.

Anyone with information is asked to call the hotline that has been set up. The number is 1-866-915-8299 or e-mail detectives at: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us .

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html

(http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.1223cc986ef.93.88.fa.d0.6d5d40.jpg)

Look at that smile! What a cutie!
I am praying for Lindsey. That she is found safe and soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 06:28:19 PM
I agree Pink Angel.

Lindey is a beautiful little girl and ... I also pray that there will be a positive outcome.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 06:28:55 PM
Thanks again Pink Angel.

In the process of elimination  and ... considering she was spotted so close to home in her journey .. did Lindsey's mother and brother take a polygraph?  Was there a search warrant for the home and yard.

I doubt that Lindsey would have digress from her destination at the point where the witnesses observed her when it is considered that the dusk would have set in by that point.

I reside a three hour drive from Seattle and ... although it is not dark dark ... the sun has sent at approiximately 9:30 PM every night this week.  I have taken note.

Janet



The mother volunteered one. It stated in an article, as did KaraK's boyfriend. The police said they were comfortable with both of their polys.
The brother wasn't mentioned.

I am sure they have searched the home and yard. That is pretty standard. I am betting it was done voluntarily as no warrant has been mentioned.


Then it can be assumed that Lindsey went missing between where the witnesses observed her and home.

In the process of elimination  ... I would sure like to know more about the timeline surrounding Lindsey's brother.  What was the fight about ... the fight that warranted him being sent home?  What time did he arrive home?

I know all about sibling rivalry but ... it has bothered me that Lindsey stated in her Myspace that she was thankful her brother was going to "juvie".  IIRC

My grandkids have issues with each other.  However ... if one of them were to be sent away ... his/her siblings would be devasted.

Does that make sense?

Janet



Perfect sense.
I would like to know more too.

My younger brother and I were so close, he was "my baby". I used to play school with him, make him eggs and toast every morning. LOL!
My older brother and I though...we have never been close. We had knock out drag outs growing up. I don't recall us every laying hands on each other though. We just screamed at each other.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 06:30:49 PM
Anyways ... I am off.

A great July 4th weekend to all Monkeys.

Janet
3:25 PM PT


Thank you Janet! Have a nice weekend yourself. :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 02, 2009, 06:32:07 PM
Thanks for the posting of the pics...that really helps put things into prespective....so it wasn't all that dark at 9:30.....you would think that on a friday night that there would be a lot of activity in town people going out , shopping, coming to and fro especially at the shell station....seems like someone would have seen something.....it also seems like being that close to home her natural instinct would have been to make a run for it....I think that she trusted the person and went willingly or they lured her up close enough to the vehicle to grab her...maybe asked for directions. The thought has also crossed my mind that maybe someone that was hanging out at the creek befriended her and maybe saw her that night and maybe said that they wanted to show her something at the creek , would only take a few minutes and then they would drive her home? but I think that LE said that they searched the creek area really good....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 02, 2009, 06:39:22 PM
O/T does anyone know anything about Javascript? I am having trouble watching any you tube videos and cnn videos . It says that I have my Javascript turned off....I was watching them just fine and now I can't I don't think I turned anything off...I have pop ups blocked would that do it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 02, 2009, 06:43:24 PM
Thanks Pink Angel for the link to those pictures.  It does look like a sleepy safe little town. 

Funny how no one's mentioned the bus station.  Why does a town of 1200 have a bus station?  Where does it run?  How often? 

I live in a town of 60,000.  We have no bus terminal.  hmmmmm...

I lived in a small town in IL growing up and we had a bus station.

County-wide public bus service is provided by the Grays Harbor Transportation Authority. Bus lines commute through McCleary  several times daily to county cities for 50 cents (one zone) and connect with Olympia.

The station is really nothing more than a few benches and bulletin board with the schedule with a fancy roof over it.

Looking at the bus schedule.. the last bus through is at 8:35 pm (heading to Aberdeen) the last Olympia bound bus goes through at 8:25 pm.

Hey PinkAngel,I just read that bolded part(exact word for word)over on WS earlier today lol
Does anyone know if Kara took a poly test?And if not why not seeing as her boyfriend did?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 02, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
they are suppose to talk about Lindsey tonite on NG....not sure how much time she will give her....probably at the end


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 02, 2009, 06:52:33 PM
O/T does anyone know anything about Javascript? I am having trouble watching any you tube videos and cnn videos . It says that I have my Javascript turned off....I was watching them just fine and now I can't I don't think I turned anything off...I have pop ups blocked would that do it?

O/T
My computer Guru (son) says yes. Pup up blocker will do that. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 06:53:37 PM
O/T does anyone know anything about Javascript? I am having trouble watching any you tube videos and cnn videos . It says that I have my Javascript turned off....I was watching them just fine and now I can't I don't think I turned anything off...I have pop ups blocked would that do it?

It could be your popup blocker.  When I have a problem watching a video the first thing I do is turn off (temporarily) my popup blocker then try.  Also, it's possible you need to download the newest version of Java. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 02, 2009, 06:53:44 PM
O/T does anyone know anything about Javascript? I am having trouble watching any you tube videos and cnn videos . It says that I have my Javascript turned off....I was watching them just fine and now I can't I don't think I turned anything off...I have pop ups blocked would that do it?

O/T
My computer Guru (son) says yes. Pup up blocker will do that. JMO

Thank you !....I have been making myself crazy over this!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 06:54:40 PM
they are suppose to talk about Lindsey tonite on NG....not sure how much time she will give her....probably at the end

Thanks for the update!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 02, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
O/T does anyone know anything about Javascript? I am having trouble watching any you tube videos and cnn videos . It says that I have my Javascript turned off....I was watching them just fine and now I can't I don't think I turned anything off...I have pop ups blocked would that do it?

It could be your popup blocker.  When I have a problem watching a video the first thing I do is turn off (temporarily) my popup blocker then try.  Also, it's possible you need to download the newest version of Java. 

Thanks Klass ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 02, 2009, 06:59:43 PM
so they have basically quit searching for her hmmm ??? seems a bit quick to stop doesn't it?

I have the premise that someone got off of Route 8 for gas at the Shell station and saw her before the station and abducted her.

Crime of opportunity.

I don't think Lindsey is around McCleary at all.

The Shell station could still contain images of a SUV, truck or car used in the Abduction. (as it passed by leaving)

I believe the person lives with 120 miles of McCleary and has stopped here for gas before. I bet at the exit ramp there is a sign that says "Fuel next exit".

Sorry to say - but I don't think she is in a basement ... I could be wrong of-course, but I think Lindsey is not near the last known sighting.



The one reason I think that could be a possiblilty is because Lindsey's own dog was let off the leash to go look for her and couldn't find her IIRC. I think I remember someone saying that it was a german sheppard that she raised from a pup. Although they are not good tracking dogs, the dog would surely be able to pick up Lindsey's scent within a couple of blocks from her home. I understand from reading that the dog failed to do so. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 07:03:02 PM
Thanks Pink Angel for the link to those pictures.  It does look like a sleepy safe little town. 

Funny how no one's mentioned the bus station.  Why does a town of 1200 have a bus station?  Where does it run?  How often? 

I live in a town of 60,000.  We have no bus terminal.  hmmmmm...

I lived in a small town in IL growing up and we had a bus station.

County-wide public bus service is provided by the Grays Harbor Transportation Authority. Bus lines commute through McCleary  several times daily to county cities for 50 cents (one zone) and connect with Olympia.

The station is really nothing more than a few benches and bulletin board with the schedule with a fancy roof over it.

Looking at the bus schedule.. the last bus through is at 8:35 pm (heading to Aberdeen) the last Olympia bound bus goes through at 8:25 pm.

Hey PinkAngel,I just read that bolded part(exact word for word)over on WS earlier today lol
Does anyone know if Kara took a poly test?And if not why not seeing as her boyfriend did?

The first part I grabbed from the Transit Authority Website, the last part I snagged from a post from over yonder.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 02, 2009, 07:09:38 PM
Missing girl's mother: 'Let her go'

02:38 PM PDT on Thursday, July 2, 2009

By DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News

Courtesy Melissa Baum

A search is under way in the town of McCleary for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

McCLEARY, Wash. - If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight.

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”
Melissa Baum’s daughter vanished while walking home from a friend’s house in McCleary last Friday night.

Detectives said it’s possible the girl ran away, but after almost six days, they said it’s more likely she was abducted, perhaps by someone she knew.

Melissa Baum said she’s confident her daughter did not run away.

“She’s a mommy’s girl, she couldn’t be away from me that long,” said Melissa Baum.

Lindsey’s mother also said her daughter is too smart to be tricked by a stranger to get in their car.

“I joke that she’s 10 going on 16,” said Melissa Baum.

Melissa Baum said her daughter loves to read and write. She was working on a play.

Lindsey also loved animals. Melissa said Lindsey’s pet German Shepherd Cadence has been acting depressed since Lindsey vanished.

“That dog was her pillow,” said Melissa Baum.

Grays Harbor County scaled back volunteer search and rescue efforts Thursday.

“We’re not ending it, we’re just temporarily suspending it,” said Undersheriff Rick Scott.

Scott said most of Thursday’s work was conducted by detectives following up on tips and interviewing potential witnesses.

Lindsey Baum, 10, disappeared Friday from the small town of McCleary.

Melissa Baum said all she can do is wait by the phone for a call from police or Lindsey.

Lindsey’s mother believes her daughter is still alive, but said that is getting harder to do.

"I don't know if they're taking care of her or if they have her locked up somewhere," said Melissa Baum."They just need to let her go, let her come home."

Scott also is urging people to report any unusual behavior that might point to an abductor, such as suddenly cutting or dyeing hair, an unexplained absence from work or cuts or bruises on the arms and face.

Lindsey is 4-foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Investigators say both Lindsey's mom and the father of the friend at the home where Lindsey had just left have both voluntarily taken - and passed - polygraph tests, and they are not considered suspects.

Anyone with information is asked to call the hotline that has been set up. The number is 1-866-915-8299 or e-mail detectives at: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us .

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html

(http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.1223cc986ef.93.88.fa.d0.6d5d40.jpg)

Look at that smile! What a cutie!
I am praying for Lindsey. That she is found safe and soon.


This jumped out at me too. Does anyone know if the brother had fresh scratches on him??? Sorry to even ask the question.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 07:11:58 PM
so they have basically quit searching for her hmmm ??? seems a bit quick to stop doesn't it?

I have the premise that someone got off of Route 8 for gas at the Shell station and saw her before the station and abducted her.

Crime of opportunity.

I don't think Lindsey is around McCleary at all.

The Shell station could still contain images of a SUV, truck or car used in the Abduction. (as it passed by leaving)

I believe the person lives with 120 miles of McCleary and has stopped here for gas before. I bet at the exit ramp there is a sign that says "Fuel next exit".

Sorry to say - but I don't think she is in a basement ... I could be wrong of-course, but I think Lindsey is not near the last known sighting.



The one reason I think that could be a possiblilty is because Lindsey's own dog was let off the leash to go look for her and couldn't find her IIRC. I think I remember someone saying that it was a german sheppard that she raised from a pup. Although they are not good tracking dogs, the dog would surely be able to pick up Lindsey's scent within a couple of blocks from her home. I understand from reading that the dog failed to do so. JMO

I don't give her dog a lot of weight. imo

We have a German Sheppard my son's. He has raised him and trained him from a puppy. They go everywhere together, fishing, the bank.....lol
If I was to take him outside and let him off his leash and tell him to go find "daddy"....he'd probably just look at me funny and just run around and sniff the bushes.

If a dog isn't trained to track...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 07:14:31 PM
Missing girl's mother: 'Let her go'

02:38 PM PDT on Thursday, July 2, 2009

By DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News

Courtesy Melissa Baum

A search is under way in the town of McCleary for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

McCLEARY, Wash. - If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight.

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”
Melissa Baum’s daughter vanished while walking home from a friend’s house in McCleary last Friday night.

Detectives said it’s possible the girl ran away, but after almost six days, they said it’s more likely she was abducted, perhaps by someone she knew.

Melissa Baum said she’s confident her daughter did not run away.

“She’s a mommy’s girl, she couldn’t be away from me that long,” said Melissa Baum.

Lindsey’s mother also said her daughter is too smart to be tricked by a stranger to get in their car.

“I joke that she’s 10 going on 16,” said Melissa Baum.

Melissa Baum said her daughter loves to read and write. She was working on a play.

Lindsey also loved animals. Melissa said Lindsey’s pet German Shepherd Cadence has been acting depressed since Lindsey vanished.

“That dog was her pillow,” said Melissa Baum.

Grays Harbor County scaled back volunteer search and rescue efforts Thursday.

“We’re not ending it, we’re just temporarily suspending it,” said Undersheriff Rick Scott.

Scott said most of Thursday’s work was conducted by detectives following up on tips and interviewing potential witnesses.

Lindsey Baum, 10, disappeared Friday from the small town of McCleary.

Melissa Baum said all she can do is wait by the phone for a call from police or Lindsey.

Lindsey’s mother believes her daughter is still alive, but said that is getting harder to do.

"I don't know if they're taking care of her or if they have her locked up somewhere," said Melissa Baum."They just need to let her go, let her come home."

Scott also is urging people to report any unusual behavior that might point to an abductor, such as suddenly cutting or dyeing hair, an unexplained absence from work or cuts or bruises on the arms and face.

Lindsey is 4-foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Investigators say both Lindsey's mom and the father of the friend at the home where Lindsey had just left have both voluntarily taken - and passed - polygraph tests, and they are not considered suspects.

Anyone with information is asked to call the hotline that has been set up. The number is 1-866-915-8299 or e-mail detectives at: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us .

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html

(http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.1223cc986ef.93.88.fa.d0.6d5d40.jpg)

Look at that smile! What a cutie!
I am praying for Lindsey. That she is found safe and soon.


This jumped out at me too. Does anyone know if the brother had fresh scratches on him??? Sorry to even ask the question.

It's never been mentioned. KaraK may possibly know.

The only mention of scratches before now, is police telling people to look for people around them who may have cut or colored their hair, acting different, sold a car, have cut or scratches, etc...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 02, 2009, 07:34:50 PM
“I joke that she’s 10 going on 16,” said Melissa Baum.     I guess I'm missing the humor.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
has anyone already looked up the name of the church on maple etc

and I tried to find the the evergreen chirstian center lindsey is suppose to attent and can't find the address etc

also I looked for anything on the girlscout troop in mccleary she is suppose to belong too, anyone able to find it?

__________________

you would think if there is some whacko living in mccleary, someone would have had thoughts about the person before.  these kinds of people do not sit dormant forever and then just one day act creepy, they are caught acting creepy all the time, if nothing more than standing around "watching" or trying to make friends with kids. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Lovinlife on July 02, 2009, 08:11:35 PM
DoubleDecker ~ 2 churches I can find in McCleary,WA

United Methodist Church
426 S. 3RD ST
McCleary, WA

McCleary Community Church
300 W. Main ST
McCleary, WA

http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=MSNH11&q=#JnE9eXAuY2h1cmNoZXMraW4rbWNsZWFyeSUyYyt3YSU3ZXNzdC4wJTdlcGcuMSZiYj00Ny4wOTcyNDAxMzg5NTc0JTdlLTEyMy4xNjg0MTEyNTQ4ODMlN2U0Ny4wMDE1NjMyMjU5ODI5JTdlLTEyMy4zNTkyOTg3MDYwNTU=


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2009, 08:14:35 PM
has anyone already looked up the name of the church on maple etc

and I tried to find the the evergreen chirstian center lindsey is suppose to attent and can't find the address etc

also I looked for anything on the girlscout troop in mccleary she is suppose to belong too, anyone able to find it?

__________________

you would think if there is some whacko living in mccleary, someone would have had thoughts about the person before.  these kinds of people do not sit dormant forever and then just one day act creepy, they are caught acting creepy all the time, if nothing more than standing around "watching" or trying to make friends with kids. 

Evergreen Christian Community

208 W Pine St
Mccleary, WA 98557

A = Evergreen Christian Community church

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/EvergreenChristian.jpg)


This map was created/posted by someone at WS.  I'm sorry don't remember the name of the poster at the moment:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/newmap04.png)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Edward on July 02, 2009, 08:41:44 PM
Lindsey also loved animals. Melissa said Lindsey’s pet German Shepherd Cadence has been acting depressed since Lindsey vanished.

Dogs have a sense about them..
Dog could be depressed for sense of loss.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 08:58:32 PM
Lindsey also loved animals. Melissa said Lindsey’s pet German Shepherd Cadence has been acting depressed since Lindsey vanished.

Dogs have a sense about them..
Dog could be depressed for sense of loss.

Yup. My son went out of town for 2 weeks on vacation and his dog moped and didn't eat like he usually does. I wound up taking him to the vet thinking he was sick and the doctor said he was depressed and would probably feel better once Buddy returned.

The vet was right.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 09:00:05 PM
has anyone already looked up the name of the church on maple etc

and I tried to find the the evergreen chirstian center lindsey is suppose to attent and can't find the address etc

also I looked for anything on the girlscout troop in mccleary she is suppose to belong too, anyone able to find it?

__________________

you would think if there is some whacko living in mccleary, someone would have had thoughts about the person before.  these kinds of people do not sit dormant forever and then just one day act creepy, they are caught acting creepy all the time, if nothing more than standing around "watching" or trying to make friends with kids. 

Evergreen Christian Community

208 W Pine St
Mccleary, WA 98557

A = Evergreen Christian Community church

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/EvergreenChristian.jpg)


This map was created/posted by someone at WS.  I'm sorry don't remember the name of the poster at the moment:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/newmap04.png)



jvk, IRRC. A local from over yonder.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 09:15:17 PM
Detectives Round Up Sex Offenders Scamming System
Kevin McCarty
KIRO 7 Eyewitness News

Posted: 5:45 pm PDT July 2, 2009Updated: 5:59 pm PDT July 2, 2009
TACOMA, Wash. -- Pierce County sheriff’s detectives went on a raid Thursday rounding up sex offenders who were scamming the system.

Detectives went after level-three sex offenders who registered as transients, but in fact live in homes.

Thomas Hall, 43, was one of those sex offenders arrested during the raid. In 1990, Hall was convicted of raping a woman. He is required by law to register as a sex offender which he has been doing, but police said like many sex offenders, Hall claims he is homeless.

With that claim, none of his neighbors has been notified that there is a convicted rapist living next door.

“He's been here for 10 years I think. I don't know. That's all I know, that's what he told me. I didn't know he was a sex offender,” said Hall’s neighbor Ko Chaykhame.

Detectives conducted weeks of surveillance to prove that Hall and others like him falsely claim they are transients.

Fred McFate, 27, is a level-three sex offender convicted of child molestation. He registered as homeless, but has been living in an apartment complex right next to small children.

“We've sat here and talked with him and had barbeques and stuff. I mean you'd have never known it by talking to him and stuff he just seemed like a nice quiet kind of person,” said McFate’s neighbor Jim Hoag.

Dustin Case, 20, was convicted of molesting two young boys in 2004 and admitted molesting other children as young as two years old.

Case has allegedly been living in a Tacoma home for months, all the while claiming he was homeless.

In the home detectives found an 18-month-old child identified as Case's son.

Investigators said because he continually lied about being a transient, the sheriff's department had no idea this convicted child molester was now living with a young child of his own.

The child was taken into the custody of Child Protective Services and detectives said the mother, Case's girlfriend, was under the legal age of consent when she became pregnant.

Right now there are 2,855 registered sex offenders in Pierce County alone. Nearly 100 of them claim to be homeless, but investigators said they believe most of them are lying.

Detectives said they will continue to investigate wrongly-registered sex offenders.

“The neighbors have the right to know they are there. The neighbors probably will not be happy about having that kind of person in their neighborhood,” said Sheriff Paul Pastor of the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department.

All of the men arrested on Thursday face charges of failing to register as a sex offender and prison time.


http://www.kirotv.com/news/19933738/detail.html

Don't know if the crack down is in response to Lindsey being missing or not. Just found it noteworthy. PotatoHead from over yonder posted the link.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 02, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
Lindsey also loved animals. Melissa said Lindsey’s pet German Shepherd Cadence has been acting depressed since Lindsey vanished.

Dogs have a sense about them..
Dog could be depressed for sense of loss.

Absolutely, even if you're sick, many animals stay so close.  They "know" when something is wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 10:05:12 PM
I'll add more to the map later

right now I am working on gravel pits, mines, buildings in the woods, caves etc.



(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummcmap1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 02, 2009, 10:09:48 PM
Good Evening My Monkeys

I have been thinking of Lindsey all day ..and searching the news.
Something has to shake loose ..something. Someone has to screw up or leave a trail .. something.
She is out there  ::MonkeyNoNo:: and I am so praying she is going to come home.
We have had three children come back who were missing for a great length of time ... Alive this year. Not to mention the others who are on our list of Found safe.

Briant Rodriguez
Joshua Childers
Haylee Donathan

 :smt049

Praying for Lindsey


I have a feeling that with all the commotion that comes with 4th of July weekend ..
Someone is going to attempt to Move her .. transport her. I have in my heart (just as her Mother) that Lindsey is still alive.  That they will use the Holiday weekend to try to blend in .. so to speak. Who ever has her knows within the small community she is being looked for * and so are they. So I think that with this weekend coming it would be perfect opportunity for that person to move her even further out .. IF she is still within the city limits. Reminds me of Sandra Cantu.

That Sandra's Body was moved the same day and time as the policeman had his funeral in town.
That all were concentrating on the funeral that was within town... Not knowing of course at that time that Sandra had been kidnapped.

Kara
I would make sure all EYES and EARS are in Full Force from  Friday till End of Monday ... within yours/ Lindsey's house/neighborhood. Many people will have Friday off to kick of the holiday and may take off Monday.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 10:26:19 PM
within 5 miles of mccleary downtown is
potter creek quarry 4 miles
McCleary #2 Quarry apprx 3 miles
unnamed pit 3 miles
smiley pit 3 miles
elma mine?  3 miles
2 gravel pits and another unnamed pit 5 miles
Cloq


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 10:32:54 PM
ugh was not finished

Cloquallum Creek Pit  6 miles
Elma pit 6 miles
Badger pit 6 miles
Borrow pit 6 miles
landbery pit
johnson pit

hmmmm

schouweiler raod pit and PLANT
wonder what kind of buildings are out there

there are about 24 pits within 10 miles and many many more within about 15 miles or so
most of these are CLOSED.  probably noone ever goes there. 

these are just the ones I am finding. 

some are old quarries, some old gravel pits, some probably are rock crushing places.  there could be old buildings/sheds out around these.

if need be I can get them on a map.  if anyone is going out to look. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 02, 2009, 10:35:02 PM
Ground Search Suspended For Missing McCleary Girl
Search Intensifies Into Her Online History
Posted: 6:21 pm PDT July 2, 2009
Updated: 6:55 pm PDT July 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The ground search for a missing Grays Harbor County girl has been suspended, but the search into her Internet history is intensifying.

Lindsey Baum, 10, disappeared June 26 while walking home from Police are now checking entries in her MySpace page and doing a forensic analysis of her computer looking for new clues.

They found an entry from Lindsey a month ago saying, "I've been getting a lot of nightmares lately and I have this bad feeling that something bads gonna happen.”

“That's why we're having the computer looked at now forensically to see if there's any other information that may have been deleted or in some other file we didn't access," said Rick Scott of Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

The initial analysis shows no evidence Lindsey communicated with anyone online that may have been involved in her disappearance.

"This is a really rough day today. It's getting worse every day," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

Lindsey's mom now thinks it's likely she was taken by someone she knew because she would have fought a stranger.

"She would have clawed them. She would have screamed, somebody would have heard something," Melissa Baum said.

Lindsey’s father, Greg Baum, lives in Tennessee and has been trying to come to McCleary, but is getting ready to deploy to Iraq. On Wednesday, he said he feel helpless, but knows the police are doing all they can.

"Right now, I'm just praying that she's found and she's found safe," Lindsey’s father said.

"I'll never give up. I know she'll come home, it's a matter of when and obviously the sooner the better. I know she's gonna come home,” Melissa Baum said.

Police, crews and volunteers have searched landfills, Dumpsters, creeks and conducted numerous ground searches, but have found no sign of Lindsey. The Mason County Sheriff’s Office is also questioning sex offenders about her disappearance.

Meanwhile, volunteers continue to hand out fliers in an effort to generate tips and keep spreading the word.

Police are asking people to get their facts from the police or media and to not flood the tip line after rumors about the case started circulating overnight.

Three billboards went up Thursday across Western Washington asking for the public’s help with this case.

Lindsey is 4 foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Anyone with information about Lindsey’s disappearance should call the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office at 1-866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/19934096/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 10:37:54 PM
it seems the actual mining claims are about 30 miles north of mccleary.  I can't tell if they are place or hard rock, I would have to research each claim to find out.  claims are allowed sheds to be built on them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 10:39:24 PM

Police are asking people to get their facts from the police or media and to not flood the tip line after rumors about the case started circulating overnight.

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I wonder what "rumors" were circulating overnight?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 10:47:24 PM

Police are asking people to get their facts from the police or media and to not flood the tip line after rumors about the case started circulating overnight.

--------------

I wonder what "rumors" were circulating overnight?

well from what I know of little towns they are gossip factories to the max LOL, no telling what people were saying.  but are some of the media any better?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


are they JUST NOW deciding to look at myspace?  I certainly hope they are not JUST NOW realizing what all was on there !!! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 02, 2009, 11:17:02 PM
this is on aberdeen topix.  been awhile. wonder if this person was ever found?  how far is aberdeen.  I notice a lot of the names I looked up in mccleary also had listings in aberdeen

Aug 26, 2008 my friend was in the aberdeen/Hoquiam area a few days ago and is now missing, she was planning on walking to ocean shores by herself and nobody has heard from her in 2 days, her name is sarah holmes, she's 16 years old and she's little, like maybe 5ft 4in. she has short blue and black hair and would probably have a plaid red backpack with her, if anyone knows any information PLEASE let me know, theres a 2000 dollar reward for anybody who finds her


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 11:47:35 PM
Baum's mom to take polygraph 1:29
Lindsey Baum is still missing, and her mother has agreed to take a polygraph in order to assist in the investigation.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/07/02/ng.mom.poly.cnn



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 02, 2009, 11:48:26 PM
I am so confused ..
There is so much conflicting news flying around.

Ok ...this I just found on another missing/exploited site
posted yesterday which would be July 1st, 09
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?s=a9ab2f8a704d2dfa0d8b7ef74ba69080&t=15126&page=16

<snipped>

You are correct, Texanne, this is a logging area and the Capital Forest I mentioned before is criss crossed with logging roads as well as ORV trails. I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

Why has this not been on the news .. proven false??? * not sure ..
If it is True - It is lead it is information ..

I am so perplexed. I am not jumping on a witch hunt either ..but I was trying to find any background info on the minister that said a prayer at the vigil for Lindsey.
Title is Minister and his name Wayne Watne. I have found him everywhere all over the net that he works within Fisheries and Logging and Environment.
I however cannot find him as a Minister " active " on any site for any church. Not even the Evergreen church mentioned in all the newspapers .. in Olympia. I can't find him mentioned on the staff.

He has on his face book that he is a member of Harvest Mission Ministries.
http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/page/page/6528584.htm
which is another type of ministry that travels to Mexico and Africa ((( flash backs of Sandra Cantu )) .... ahhhh  " God Bless Sandra" ... 
He is vaguely mentioned on this site ..not current info any way
I find Dead Ends with him.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2009, 11:55:13 PM
NANCY GRACE
Aired July 1, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: To Steven Friederich with the "Daily World," tracking dogs could not pick up her scent, and this is after a neighbor that knew her observed her about three blocks from her home?

STEVEN FRIEDERICH, REPORTER, THE DAILY WORLD, COVERING STORY (via phone): Yes, that`s about right. At this point the sheriff`s offices says that they`ve scaled down the number of people that are out there looking for her, and -- from about 45 actual search and rescue experts down to about 23.

And they`re going into targeted areas where they`ve gotten tips. And just like, hey, this is Mariet, children like to hang out, they like to hang out even the creek, by the mill, and that sort of thing.

GRACE: Right. To Mike Brooks, something`s not right because if a child was actually on that street, a tracker dog would have picked up her scent.

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: No, Nancy, you`re absolutely right. The bloodhounds would have picked up a scent and it would have gone so far as to where she went and maybe gotten into a car but, no, there`s no scent whatsoever.

You know we`ve talked about scent evidence before. It can be around for almost a month.

GRACE: And to Matt Zarrell, what more can you tell us?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: They`re searching by every means you can imagine, ground, air, they`ve got a special airplane in the air that`s going to read from the ground using -- infrared. They`re going to use that, read it on the ground and hope to find her that way.

GRACE: Matt, what can you tell me about the mom taking a polygraph?

ZARRELL: Well, reports that the mom came out late last night and said that she wants to take a polygraph. She wants to rule out that she`s involved.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve tried to keep the thought of somebody grabbing her out of my mind. She wouldn`t stay out that late after dark. She doesn`t like to be outside by herself.

If somebody does have her, I wish they would just drop her off somewhere where she can get to a pay phone and call 911 or call home so that we can come and get her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Back out to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Mike, what do you think?

BROOKS: You know, Nancy, it`s a mystery. I mean did she run away? Apparently there was nothing on her MySpace or her computers at all that indicated she wanted to run away.

You know, just the normal, you know, mom/daughter kind of things. But you know, she`s 10 years old, it just looks like she`s disappeared. Apparently, the one place where she was supposed to go by or she had to walk by, the Shell station, it has video surveillance, that`s turned up negative, too, as of now.

GRACE: Are they absolutely certainly -- back out to Steve Friederich with "The Daily World" joining us from Aberdeen. Are they absolutely certain about the date and the time the neighbor that spotted her, about the date and the time she spotted the little girl?

FRIEDERICH: You know, I asked about that. And the sheriff seems to say yes. I mean, the neighbor knew the child and the neighbor knew the brother. That the neighbor had actually stopped a fight between the two of them, like, shortly beforehand. And the neighbor was on the way to work. She`s a public employee, works for a nearby county.

GRACE: So that`s pretty much confirmed yet the tracking dog is not picking up a scent whatsoever/

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/01/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 02, 2009, 11:57:55 PM
Baum's mom to take polygraph 1:29
Lindsey Baum is still missing, and her mother has agreed to take a polygraph in order to assist in the investigation.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/07/02/ng.mom.poly.cnn



Miss Janet,

"The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott. "

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 03, 2009, 12:01:26 AM
I am so confused ..
There is so much conflicting news flying around.

Ok ...this I just found on another missing/exploited site
posted yesterday which would be July 1st, 09
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?s=a9ab2f8a704d2dfa0d8b7ef74ba69080&t=15126&page=16

<snipped>

You are correct, Texanne, this is a logging area and the Capital Forest I mentioned before is criss crossed with logging roads as well as ORV trails. I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

Why has this not been on the news .. proven false??? * not sure ..
If it is True - It is lead it is information ..

I am so perplexed. I am not jumping on a witch hunt either ..but I was trying to find any background info on the minister that said a prayer at the vigil for Lindsey.
Title is Minister and his name Wayne Watne. I have found him everywhere all over the net that he works within Fisheries and Logging and Environment.
I however cannot find him as a Minister " active " on any site for any church. Not even the Evergreen church mentioned in all the newspapers .. in Olympia. I can't find him mentioned on the staff.

He has on his face book that he is a member of Harvest Mission Ministries.
http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/page/page/6528584.htm
which is another type of ministry that travels to Mexico and Africa ((( flash backs of Sandra Cantu )) .... ahhhh  " God Bless Sandra" ... 
He is vaguely mentioned on this site ..not current info any way
I find Dead Ends with him.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Deenie, a page or two back the LE said there was rumors circulating overnight, and they caused the tip line to flooded and not to believe anything unless LE or the FBI has said to it be fact.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 03, 2009, 12:02:50 AM
Actually it's up a few posts from this one. NorthernRose posted it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 03, 2009, 12:03:34 AM
Thank You Pink


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 03, 2009, 12:08:34 AM
Thank You Pink

You are welcome. It has been confusing. So many rumors floating around.

I don't know anything about the minister. Sorry. Other than what was in the media. Perhaps he is a friend of the family?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: my2cents on July 03, 2009, 12:13:20 AM
If I am looking at the map correctly it looks like the church is only a couple of blocks from where she was walking I wonder if she might have went over there for something ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 12:13:48 AM
hmm he lists mccleary as where he is from in this post

This is awesome timing for such an emphasis on Astronomy! If you really want to seee something amazing about the stars and really get an understanding of how incredibly large some of the stars are, how big the universe is, and the magnitude of the distances between some of the galaxies and earth check out the CD "Indescribable" by Louie Giglio... it will blow your socks off! They are available online... another is "How Great is Our God" also by Louie Giglio. Believer in God or not, the two CD's do the most amazing job I've ever seen to put the size of the cosmos into a perspective that most can grasp the imensity of the stars!
Wayne Watne, McCleary, WA (Sent Monday, January 05, 2009 10:40 PM)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 12:17:35 AM
6.wayne on June 29th, 2009 9:10 am
Hey people… instead of being critical please be supportive. Melissa and her son are going thru a lot. There is a story about a woman who was accussed of something she had done wrong… Jesus looked to her accusers and said you who hasn’t done something wrong be the first to throw the first stone then He wrote a few things in the sand… He looked up and said where are your accusers??? She said the have all left…

Each of us have done things we wish we hadn’t… please don’t cast stones but rather come alongside and lift them up in prayer… support with cards, flowers, resources… most of all love on them right now… that is what they need the most!
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:KIhfXeow-hoJ:scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/28/10-year-old-lindsey-baum-missing-in-mccleary-wa-since-friday-june-26-2009/+watne+mccleary+wa&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 12:18:37 AM
Baum's mom to take polygraph 1:29
Lindsey Baum is still missing, and her mother has agreed to take a polygraph in order to assist in the investigation.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/07/02/ng.mom.poly.cnn



Miss Janet,

"The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott. "

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html

Thank you pink angel

At the memorial last night/night before (?) the mother told reporters that she had volunteered to take a polygraph but ... had yet to take one.

In the process of elimination ... I would hope that all adults in the two respective homes have been requested to take polygraphs if they have not yet volunteered and ... search warrants have been served on both homes and yards.

Also ... in the process of elimination ... I would hope that Lindsey's brother has been questioned so that a timeline involving his movements on Friday evening can be established.

Apparently the tracking dogs did not pick up a scent where two neighbours claimed they saw Lindsey on Friday evening.

Janet

++++++

NANCY GRACE
Aired July 1, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: Right. To Mike Brooks, something`s not right because if a child was actually on that street, a tracker dog would have picked up her scent.

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: No, Nancy, you`re absolutely right. The bloodhounds would have picked up a scent and it would have gone so far as to where she went and maybe gotten into a car but, no, there`s no scent whatsoever.

You know we`ve talked about scent evidence before. It can be around for almost a month ...

GRACE: Are they absolutely certainly -- back out to Steve Friederich with "The Daily World" joining us from Aberdeen. Are they absolutely certain about the date and the time the neighbor that spotted her, about the date and the time she spotted the little girl?

FRIEDERICH: You know, I asked about that. And the sheriff seems to say yes. I mean, the neighbor knew the child and the neighbor knew the brother. That the neighbor had actually stopped a fight between the two of them, like, shortly beforehand. And the neighbor was on the way to work. She`s a public employee, works for a nearby county.

GRACE: So that`s pretty much confirmed yet the tracking dog is not picking up a scent whatsoever/

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/01/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 03, 2009, 12:20:10 AM
I am playing with Google Earth program. I am looking at Maple Street ...
You can change the time zone and add the date and actually watch the Sunrise and Set .. and I just watched it change ..and within the time frame of 8 ish ..pm and on .. It seems to be pretty Dark .. I know I am looking via a satellite view and I have to think of trees and all..
I know it was said that it was not dark .. when Lindsey left. But .. looks dark to me.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 03, 2009, 12:20:17 AM

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 03, 2009, 12:28:12 AM

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
Yah that is the thing, I went to that site of the church and he is not listed as Staff.
unless I am just tired and I can't think any more ...
http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/staff.shtml

I certainly don't want to throw speculations out .. but at this point in time, everyone needs to be looked into. As sad as that is to admit.
I can't find him online as being an active minister to any church.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 12:37:06 AM
I am playing with Google Earth program. I am looking at Maple Street ...
You can change the time zone and add the date and actually watch the Sunrise and Set .. and I just watched it change ..and within the time frame of 8 ish ..pm and on .. It seems to be pretty Dark .. I know I am looking via a satellite view and I have to think of trees and all..
I know it was said that it was not dark .. when Lindsey left. But .. looks dark to me.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


It is 9:35 PM PT where I reside ... a 3 hour drive from Seattle.  The sun has set.  It is not dark dark.  I guess it could be referred to as dusk.  No child should be on the streets along.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 03, 2009, 12:42:56 AM
US News December 2008
     Much of our focus for December was preparing for the team going to San Luis, Mexico over the Christmas and New Year’s holidays and for the sending of Elisabeth Angell to live and support the ministry in Mexico during this next year. The snow prevented the team from leaving as originally planned but after much prayer the team finally left on December 22nd and arrived in San Luis on Christmas Eve. Please look at the Mexico news page for the report on how God used the team in Mexico. George and Linda accompanied Elisabeth and the rest of the team that represented different church families in the Skagit Valley, as well as Wayne Watne, that recently moved from Mt. Vernon, where he attended the Mt. Vernon Church of the Nazarene to McLeary, WA,

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/usnews.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 12:43:25 AM
To finish the vigil, the crowd walked barely a block to the Baum house
vigil was at the beerbower park.
on the map you can see that the park is RIGHT THERE by lindsey's house.  I wonder if you can sit in the park and watch her house? 

here is her girl scout leader
Becky Spalding of Elma

I am just making notes of info for later use if we need it, so we don't have to go relook for it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 03, 2009, 12:50:42 AM

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
Yah that is the thing, I went to that site of the church and he is not listed as Staff.
unless I am just tired and I can't think any more ...
http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/staff.shtml

I certainly don't want to throw speculations out .. but at this point in time, everyone needs to be looked into. As sad as that is to admit.
I can't find him online as being an active minister to any church.


We could always call tomorrow and ask for him. They will either say he isn't here right now or he doesn't work here. lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 12:50:44 AM
hmmm how many houses in mccleary have "pump houses".  I was just reading about a murdere there in 1995 were a body was put in a pumphouse at the house in mccleary. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Deenie on July 03, 2009, 12:51:22 AM
To finish the vigil, the crowd walked barely a block to the Baum house
vigil was at the beerbower park.
on the map you can see that the park is RIGHT THERE by lindsey's house.  I wonder if you can sit in the park and watch her house? 

here is her girl scout leader
Becky Spalding of Elma

I am just making notes of info for later use if we need it, so we don't have to go relook for it.
Your doing a Great Job DD. As You always do.

This Ol Monkey Woman has to go to bed .. Me tired.
I will find you all tomorrow. Good Night All

 :smt039 :sunny:
*** Ms. Lindsey *** The World Loves You.

::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 01:00:03 AM
From Wayne Watne
By Wired Letters Department  December 1, 2006  |  11:09 am  |  Categories: Church of the Non-Believers, Issue 14.11, Religion
I would like to comment in the “Rants and Raves” column in regard to the aforementioned article published in your Wired magazine edition 14.11. I am a scientist, living on the west coast where the author states is “possibly the social group that is least likely among all Americans to be religious”, and I am a Christian. I am constantly amazed that “well educated” people in the sciences can overlook the simple facts of the discipline in which they themselves participate. The very foundation of the sciences are that, simply stated; 1) matter cannot be created, and 2) everything goes from order to disorder.

To look at these concepts scientifically we need to know what “science” is. Science is looking at the evidence we have around us using each of our senses (sight, sound, taste, touch, smell) to investigate the world around us. Using the simple basics of their own discipline, scientists should be able to discern that there is matter present and if there is matter present, and matter cannot be created by nature or man, then the matter we can clearly observe, came from outside of the influence of man and nature. Furthermore, we can also use science to prove that evolution is in fact impossible. Science says everything goes from order to disorder, evolution says everything goes from disorder to order. Look at the world around us and show me evidence of anything that goes from disorder to order. Your body, home, car, clothes…they all start out orderly and with time become disorderly.


I find it very interesting that this article actually fulfills a biblical prophecy written 2000 years ago. These “scientists” discussed in the article were predicted by the apostle Paul in II Timothy 3:3-4 where it states “for the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn away from the Truth and turn aside to myths”. These “educated” men want to teach what others want to hear… so they can do as they please without having any moral recourse. These men become successful because they are saying what others “itching ears” want to hear.

Thank you for publishing this article, it has been a great tool for me as I show my children and others the “stories” written thousands of years ago in the Bible being fulfilled in front of our very eyes. Keep up the good work. As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?


Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 01:17:15 AM
Interesting posts on King5.

MelissaMcCann 1 day ago wrote:
This is my neice. Unlike mlacaster or some of you, i wont HIDE behind a nicname.. This is Melissa McCann, You have seen me on the news casts. Lindsey is not now nor has she ever been abused. There has been fights with her older brother as siblings do that got out of control. that is it. i live local, i watch these children, i know what happens in and out of that house. if you people choose to believe some coward who wont use his/her real name then shame on you. and if you pay attention to the story,, Lindsey wasnt planning to be out walking alone. 3 of them left together. plans changed and circumstances had her walk alone. the one time she left her cell phone at home. its pure coincidence. Not a single one of you have had your child in your site 24/7. not a single one of you are perfect. not a single one of you have never made i parenting mistake. so get off your high horses that you have no business being upon to begin with and keep your mouths shut if you cant be supportive. If this was your child or family member i double dog dare you to tell me that you wouldnt be offended, disgusted, upset, ect if people were saying crap about you and being anything but supportive. thos of you with the well wishes, we still very much appreciate it. There still seems to be conflicting information about Lindsey walking home.  What does 3 of them left together mean?  Was her brother there and the fight took place enroute home?

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.


mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 01:17:59 AM
Interesting posts on King5.

MelissaMcCann 1 day ago wrote:
This is my neice. Unlike mlacaster or some of you, i wont HIDE behind a nicname.. This is Melissa McCann, You have seen me on the news casts. Lindsey is not now nor has she ever been abused. There has been fights with her older brother as siblings do that got out of control. that is it. i live local, i watch these children, i know what happens in and out of that house. if you people choose to believe some coward who wont use his/her real name then shame on you. and if you pay attention to the story,, Lindsey wasnt planning to be out walking alone. 3 of them left together. plans changed and circumstances had her walk alone. the one time she left her cell phone at home. its pure coincidence. Not a single one of you have had your child in your site 24/7. not a single one of you are perfect. not a single one of you have never made i parenting mistake. so get off your high horses that you have no business being upon to begin with and keep your mouths shut if you cant be supportive. If this was your child or family member i double dog dare you to tell me that you wouldnt be offended, disgusted, upset, ect if people were saying crap about you and being anything but supportive. thos of you with the well wishes, we still very much appreciate it. There still seems to be conflicting information about Lindsey walking home.  What does 3 of them left together mean?  Was her brother there and the fight took place enroute home?

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.


mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.



Here is the link
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 01:44:09 AM

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 01:49:03 AM
Name: Wayne S Watne
Birth Date: Oct 1964

Address:
181 Bishop Rd, Port Angeles, Washington 98362-0201 (1993)
[4252 Bishop Rd, Port Angeles, Washington 98362-1201 (1988)] 
 
 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 01:50:57 AM
have to go to sleep.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 03:55:12 AM
The 3 of them left together? Who is the 3 and where did they leave from and plan to go to?

So this is now the 3rd explanation of her departure? I am getting a bit confused. Did she leave alone and someone watched her? She left alone and took a different route? She left with 3 people?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: pink angel on July 03, 2009, 04:27:07 AM
"We're taking police officers and putting them on the street to follow up on the stack of tips we've received," said Scott.

Authorities expect Lindsey's father to arrive in town Thursday night or Friday. He's in the military service, stationed in Tennessee. Police hope he may be able to share new information with them to help them solve the disappearance.

We're looking at what's being said on the Internet. Looking at some of the communication that's being done in the community. The people that live here, the friends, the family, the neighbors, are the people that know this community better than you, than I, than any of the officers working it," said Scott. "So it's talking to them and hopefully prompting someone's memory and dragging out that seemingly meaningless piece of information that they have that's going to unravel this mystery."

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070209-missingmcclearygirlthursday,0,396026.story


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 03, 2009, 05:26:52 AM

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
Yah that is the thing, I went to that site of the church and he is not listed as Staff.
unless I am just tired and I can't think any more ...
http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/staff.shtml

I certainly don't want to throw speculations out .. but at this point in time, everyone needs to be looked into. As sad as that is to admit.
I can't find him online as being an active minister to any church.


I was curious about this as well so thank you for bringing it up. I know when I first joined this forum I came on strong to people sharing their opinions but honestly now that I see how this forum works I want to say if that is what it takes to toss around ideas by all means please do so - I will do my best to butt out of that and just when around answer any questions I can assist with. I've gotten more information in regards to the goings on in this area right here from this forum then I have from our local and non local authorities and even fellow residents. From where I am standing it is something and as long as people are talking then hope lives and that is everything while we wait for her to come home.

Can anyone here tell me if there is anyway to find out the color and type of vehicle that a person drives? - thank you for your time.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 03, 2009, 05:32:19 AM
To finish the vigil, the crowd walked barely a block to the Baum house
vigil was at the beerbower park.
on the map you can see that the park is RIGHT THERE by lindsey's house.  I wonder if you can sit in the park and watch her house? 

here is her girl scout leader
Becky Spalding of Elma

I am just making notes of info for later use if we need it, so we don't have to go relook for it.

To add to your information at that park where the vigil was held are some locked up dugouts and that is one of the places that Lindsey frequently played around as well as some of their friends.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 03, 2009, 05:36:03 AM
The 3 of them left together? Who is the 3 and where did they leave from and plan to go to?

So this is now the 3rd explanation of her departure? I am getting a bit confused. Did she leave alone and someone watched her? She left alone and took a different route? She left with 3 people?


Leaving from Lindsey's house en route to my house was Lindsey, my daughter and Lindsey's brother. The fight took place half-way to my home and her brother was told by a family friend to go home. So only Lindsey and my daughter continued on to my house.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 03, 2009, 06:10:02 AM

Police are asking people to get their facts from the police or media and to not flood the tip line after rumors about the case started circulating overnight.

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I wonder what "rumors" were circulating overnight?

People were spreading around that she had been found. It hit a nearby city and trickled into town here last night and more so this morning.


In a previous post you heard mention of a vehicle - which is correct though the lady posting it originally is a quack. We gave authorities all the information that we had about it though not one mention as to the 11 year old she refers to or an attempt to talk to any child. The incident the girls encountered was not a personal contact nor was there an attempt to conversate with them or anything. Good chance the car just happened to be traveling the same direction. I don't want to give details out publicly as there may be a reason it has not been released or it may have already been ruled out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 09:26:00 AM

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
Yah that is the thing, I went to that site of the church and he is not listed as Staff.
unless I am just tired and I can't think any more ...
http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/staff.shtml

I certainly don't want to throw speculations out .. but at this point in time, everyone needs to be looked into. As sad as that is to admit.
I can't find him online as being an active minister to any church.


Wayne Watne may have a connection to the church but not necessarily in a pastoral capacity.  As a residence of McCleary and a professed Christian ... it could be that Watne was contacted by an individual in the pastoral team to lead a vigil.

The church's website has several contacts.  I am sure this issue could be clarified very easily.

Janet

+++++++++


Wayne Watne

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Wayne Watne, McCleary, WA (Sent Monday, January 05, 2009 10:40 PM)

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/01/05/1730900.aspx



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 09:38:55 AM
"We're taking police officers and putting them on the street to follow up on the stack of tips we've received," said Scott.

Authorities expect Lindsey's father to arrive in town Thursday night or Friday. He's in the military service, stationed in Tennessee. Police hope he may be able to share new information with them to help them solve the disappearance.

We're looking at what's being said on the Internet. Looking at some of the communication that's being done in the community. The people that live here, the friends, the family, the neighbors, are the people that know this community better than you, than I, than any of the officers working it," said Scott. "So it's talking to them and hopefully prompting someone's memory and dragging out that seemingly meaningless piece of information that they have that's going to unravel this mystery."

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070209-missingmcclearygirlthursday,0,396026.story

I find this very concerning.  I would have assumed Lindsey's father would have immediately dropped everything and caught the next flight to McCleary following being informed of her disappearance.  I would have assumed he would have wanted to be involved in the search effort.

Kara ... were there underlying reasons why this did not happen.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 03, 2009, 10:05:23 AM
The 3 of them left together? Who is the 3 and where did they leave from and plan to go to?

So this is now the 3rd explanation of her departure? I am getting a bit confused. Did she leave alone and someone watched her? She left alone and took a different route? She left with 3 people?

This is bothersome, what is going on, three different stories of Lindsey's departure, why?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 03, 2009, 10:37:44 AM
Lot's of updated pictures here........


http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/?evt=user_upload_approve&sort=ascending



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 03, 2009, 10:43:43 AM
Lot's of updated pictures here........


http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/?evt=user_upload_approve&sort=ascending


Thank-you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 03, 2009, 10:50:16 AM
The 3 of them left together? Who is the 3 and where did they leave from and plan to go to?

So this is now the 3rd explanation of her departure? I am getting a bit confused. Did she leave alone and someone watched her? She left alone and took a different route? She left with 3 people?

This is bothersome, what is going on, three different stories of Lindsey's departure, why?  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning Monkeys
From what I could piece together from reading different media sites and different missing people sites:
1)Lindsey,her Brother and Kayla(Kara's daughter)left Lindsey's house to walk to Kayla's house.
2)Lindsey and her brother were fighting over the bike,neighbor/family friend broke up fight,sent Lindsey's brother home.
3)This is where it gets confusing:
Melissa(Lindsey's Mom)says Lindsey and friend were walking to Kayla's house to see if Kayla could spend the night with Lindsey(I have read very early reports that Kayla had already stayed the night before at Lindsey's and Lindsey wanted to stay friday night at Kayla's)
Kara says Lindsey was asking to stay the night at her house(Kayla's house)and she said no and sent Lindsey back home.

What I want to know is if Lindsey was hoping to stay the night at Kayla's house,why did she not bring a change of clothes or her phone(left at home charging)or anything with her?If Kara had said Lindsey could stay the night,were they planning on going back to Lindsey's house to get pj's/clothes etc?

So,was Lindsey wanting to stay at Kayla's or was Kayla wanting to stay at Lindsey's?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 03, 2009, 10:59:17 AM
The 3 of them left together? Who is the 3 and where did they leave from and plan to go to?

So this is now the 3rd explanation of her departure? I am getting a bit confused. Did she leave alone and someone watched her? She left alone and took a different route? She left with 3 people?

This is bothersome, what is going on, three different stories of Lindsey's departure, why?  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning Monkeys
From what I could piece together from reading different media sites and different missing people sites:
1)Lindsey,her Brother and Kayla(Kara's daughter)left Lindsey's house to walk to Kayla's house.
2)Lindsey and her brother were fighting over the bike,neighbor/family friend broke up fight,sent Lindsey's brother home.
3)This is where it gets confusing:
Melissa(Lindsey's Mom)says Lindsey and friend were walking to Kayla's house to see if Kayla could spend the night with Lindsey(I have read very early reports that Kayla had already stayed the night before at Lindsey's and Lindsey wanted to stay friday night at Kayla's)
Kara says Lindsey was asking to stay the night at her house(Kayla's house)and she said no and sent Lindsey back home.

What I want to know is if Lindsey was hoping to stay the night at Kayla's house,why did she not bring a change of clothes or her phone(left at home charging)or anything with her?If Kara had said Lindsey could stay the night,were they planning on going back to Lindsey's house to get pj's/clothes etc?

So,was Lindsey wanting to stay at Kayla's or was Kayla wanting to stay at Lindsey's?
That part is very confusing. At first I thought it was just Lindsey and her brother walking to Kayla's, that's when I questioned, why didn't she just call and ask if she could sleep over? Now that the three of them were walking to Kayla's house, maybe if it would have been alright to sleep over, there were pajamas of Kaylas she would have worn.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 03, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
The 3 of them left together? Who is the 3 and where did they leave from and plan to go to?

So this is now the 3rd explanation of her departure? I am getting a bit confused. Did she leave alone and someone watched her? She left alone and took a different route? She left with 3 people?

This is bothersome, what is going on, three different stories of Lindsey's departure, why?  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning Monkeys
From what I could piece together from reading different media sites and different missing people sites:
1)Lindsey,her Brother and Kayla(Kara's daughter)left Lindsey's house to walk to Kayla's house.
2)Lindsey and her brother were fighting over the bike,neighbor/family friend broke up fight,sent Lindsey's brother home.
3)This is where it gets confusing:
Melissa(Lindsey's Mom)says Lindsey and friend were walking to Kayla's house to see if Kayla could spend the night with Lindsey(I have read very early reports that Kayla had already stayed the night before at Lindsey's and Lindsey wanted to stay friday night at Kayla's)
Kara says Lindsey was asking to stay the night at her house(Kayla's house)and she said no and sent Lindsey back home.

What I want to know is if Lindsey was hoping to stay the night at Kayla's house,why did she not bring a change of clothes or her phone(left at home charging)or anything with her?If Kara had said Lindsey could stay the night,were they planning on going back to Lindsey's house to get pj's/clothes etc?

So,was Lindsey wanting to stay at Kayla's or was Kayla wanting to stay at Lindsey's?
That part is very confusing. At first I thought it was just Lindsey and her brother walking to Kayla's, that's when I questioned, why didn't she just call and ask if she could sleep over? Now that the three of them were walking to Kayla's house, maybe if it would have been alright to sleep over, there were pajamas of Kaylas she would have worn.  ::MonkeyConfused::
Yeah,that's possible NoRose.
Also,from the messages from(?)that DD was posting here.....where did those messages come from?They looked to me like maybe the girls had access to the internet from their cell phones.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 11:53:52 AM
It appears that at 8:15 PM ... Lindsey was planning on spend the night at her friend's home.  Where were Lindsey and her friends planning on watch the rental movie?

Janet

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Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009


MCCLEARY – ... Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 12:00:36 PM
Interesting posts on King5.

MelissaMcCann 1 day ago wrote:
This is my neice. Unlike mlacaster or some of you, i wont HIDE behind a nicname.. This is Melissa McCann, You have seen me on the news casts. Lindsey is not now nor has she ever been abused. There has been fights with her older brother as siblings do that got out of control. that is it. i live local, i watch these children, i know what happens in and out of that house. if you people choose to believe some coward who wont use his/her real name then shame on you. and if you pay attention to the story,, Lindsey wasnt planning to be out walking alone. 3 of them left together. plans changed and circumstances had her walk alone. the one time she left her cell phone at home. its pure coincidence. Not a single one of you have had your child in your site 24/7. not a single one of you are perfect. not a single one of you have never made i parenting mistake. so get off your high horses that you have no business being upon to begin with and keep your mouths shut if you cant be supportive. If this was your child or family member i double dog dare you to tell me that you wouldnt be offended, disgusted, upset, ect if people were saying crap about you and being anything but supportive. thos of you with the well wishes, we still very much appreciate it. There still seems to be conflicting information about Lindsey walking home.  What does 3 of them left together mean?  Was her brother there and the fight took place enroute home?

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.


mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

Here is the link
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor

In other words ... there were indications in Lindsey's own experiences that the streets of   McCleary was no different than Anytown USA ... they were not safe for children to be on without supervision.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 12:15:04 PM
Maybe things are just not being explained too well, I don't know. It seems there are conflicting stories about Lindsey getting to Kayla's house, Lindsey leaving Kayla's house.

So Lindsey, Kayla and the brother all walked over to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night. On the way to Kara's house, Lindsey and her brother had a fight about a bike. The neighbor broke up the fight and sent the brother on his way. The girls go to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night, Kara you said she couldn't, is that correct? I have a few questions if you dont mind answering...

Why did the girls just not call you to ask. I thought they were at Lindsey's house, they were not?

So was the brother going over to kara's house as well or did he just meet up with the girls? (I thought the  fight happened earlier in the day)

What is the story with the bike?

It is certainly your right, but what was the reasons you didn't want Lindsey to spend the night?

did Lindsey hang out for a little while or did Lindsey just leave? If she stayed, what did the girls do?

Lindsey left your house at about 9:30, correct?

Did Kayla spend the night with Lindsey the night before?

Thank you for answering what you can.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
It appears that at 8:15 PM ... Lindsey was planning on spend the night at her friend's home.  Where were Lindsey and her friends planning on watch the rental movie?

Janet

++++++

Massive search continues for missing McCleary girl
MCCLEARY: No leads days after 10-year-old vanished

JEREMY PAWLOSKI; The Olympian | • Published June 30, 2009


MCCLEARY – ... Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


I totally forgot this part of this time line. What happened to the other girls? Certainly 8:15  to 9:30 is not enough time to watch movies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 12:39:23 PM
The 3 of them left together? Who is the 3 and where did they leave from and plan to go to?

So this is now the 3rd explanation of her departure? I am getting a bit confused. Did she leave alone and someone watched her? She left alone and took a different route? She left with 3 people?


Leaving from Lindsey's house en route to my house was Lindsey, my daughter and Lindsey's brother. The fight took place half-way to my home and her brother was told by a family friend to go home. So only Lindsey and my daughter continued on to my house.




Kara thank you for clarifying that.  So Lindsey, your daughter and Lindsey's brother were walking to your house to ask if Lindsey could sleep over.  Was the video rental before the brother was turned home or did the girls meet up with other girls and go to the video store before they made it to your house?  Did they get to your house then go out to the video store and then come back?

I have read of Lindsey's brother being seen with a fishing pole that evening.  Are you able to give details about that?

The local who is making the wild posts, you had mentioned that you had thought she had moved recently.  I looked her up and the house she comes up in is registered to Fester and they do not appear to have moved recently.  I am also coming up with her having moved to McCleary after being somewhere else and someone with the same name as her could possibly have a friend who is a SO from the previous place.  Not sure if there are two people with that name or if it is one and the same.  The one that lives in McCleary seems to have experience with the court system though.

The route that Lindsey took to get home is still being reported by the media as well as LE as the most direct route to 3rd.  You had mentioned that she took an alternate route home up the hill on 6th.  It is troubling that LE is saying direct route if she did in fact go the long way home.  That is too important of a detail to not report correctly.  Can you give us more information on this?

Lastly, articles yesterday stated that Lindsey's mom as well as Will have taken poly's.  Where you asked to take one as well or have you volunteered to take one and will it happen?


I pray for the safe return of Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 12:41:59 PM
"We're taking police officers and putting them on the street to follow up on the stack of tips we've received," said Scott.

Authorities expect Lindsey's father to arrive in town Thursday night or Friday. He's in the military service, stationed in Tennessee. Police hope he may be able to share new information with them to help them solve the disappearance.

We're looking at what's being said on the Internet. Looking at some of the communication that's being done in the community. The people that live here, the friends, the family, the neighbors, are the people that know this community better than you, than I, than any of the officers working it," said Scott. "So it's talking to them and hopefully prompting someone's memory and dragging out that seemingly meaningless piece of information that they have that's going to unravel this mystery."

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070209-missingmcclearygirlthursday,0,396026.story

I find this very concerning.  I would have assumed Lindsey's father would have immediately dropped everything and caught the next flight to McCleary following being informed of her disappearance.  I would have assumed he would have wanted to be involved in the search effort.

Kara ... were there underlying reasons why this did not happen.

Janet


There was a news article yesterday that stated he was in the military and about to be deployed.  I would suspect he could not drop everything without being classified as AWOL and would need to get permission for some special leave first.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 12:43:21 PM
MASON COUNTY SHERIFF ASSISTS IN SEARCH FOR MCCLEARY CHILDBy Dedrick Allan 07/03/2009
Mason County Sheriff's Deputies have been asked to assist in the investigation of the disappearance of 10-year-old Lindsey J. Baum of McCleary. Four detectives from the Sheriff's Office Special Operations Group are assisting the McCleary Police Department and Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office in following up on a large number tips coming in about the disappearance. Mason County Detectives have also assisted the investigation by verifying addresses and providing information to the investigation about registered sex offenders in west Mason County. Lindsey went missing last Friday, while walking home from a friend's house about ten blocks to her home. Although the search for Lindsey is tapering off, investigators still would like to talk to anyone who may have seen anything unusual in McCleary between 9 PM and 10 PM June 26th. Lindsey Baum is described as a white female, 10 years old, 4-foot-9, 80 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. She was wearing blue jeans, black sneakers, and a hooded sweatshirt. Anyone with information on Lindsey's whereabouts is asked to call the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office at (800) 562-8914.

http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/News/NewsArticle/tabid/1897/smid/3468/ArticleID/7696/reftab/1632/t/MASON-COUNTY-SHERIFF-ASSISTS-IN-SEARCH-FOR-MCCLEARY-CHILD/Default.aspx


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 03, 2009, 12:51:38 PM
"We're taking police officers and putting them on the street to follow up on the stack of tips we've received," said Scott.

Authorities expect Lindsey's father to arrive in town Thursday night or Friday. He's in the military service, stationed in Tennessee. Police hope he may be able to share new information with them to help them solve the disappearance.

We're looking at what's being said on the Internet. Looking at some of the communication that's being done in the community. The people that live here, the friends, the family, the neighbors, are the people that know this community better than you, than I, than any of the officers working it," said Scott. "So it's talking to them and hopefully prompting someone's memory and dragging out that seemingly meaningless piece of information that they have that's going to unravel this mystery."

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070209-missingmcclearygirlthursday,0,396026.story

I find this very concerning.  I would have assumed Lindsey's father would have immediately dropped everything and caught the next flight to McCleary following being informed of her disappearance.  I would have assumed he would have wanted to be involved in the search effort.

Kara ... were there underlying reasons why this did not happen.

Janet


There was a news article yesterday that stated he was in the military and about to be deployed.  I would suspect he could not drop everything without being classified as AWOL and would need to get permission for some special leave first.

Thank you NRose, in the military you cannot just "drop" everything.  The underlying reason is he is a soldier.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 12:52:07 PM
I came up with 101 SO's in Mason county, most seem to be in Shelton.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
"We're taking police officers and putting them on the street to follow up on the stack of tips we've received," said Scott.

Authorities expect Lindsey's father to arrive in town Thursday night or Friday. He's in the military service, stationed in Tennessee. Police hope he may be able to share new information with them to help them solve the disappearance.

We're looking at what's being said on the Internet. Looking at some of the communication that's being done in the community. The people that live here, the friends, the family, the neighbors, are the people that know this community better than you, than I, than any of the officers working it," said Scott. "So it's talking to them and hopefully prompting someone's memory and dragging out that seemingly meaningless piece of information that they have that's going to unravel this mystery."

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070209-missingmcclearygirlthursday,0,396026.story

I find this very concerning.  I would have assumed Lindsey's father would have immediately dropped everything and caught the next flight to McCleary following being informed of her disappearance.  I would have assumed he would have wanted to be involved in the search effort.

Kara ... were there underlying reasons why this did not happen.

Janet


There was a news article yesterday that stated he was in the military and about to be deployed.  I would suspect he could not drop everything without being classified as AWOL and would need to get permission for some special leave first.

Thank you NRose, in the military you cannot just "drop" everything.  The underlying reason is he is a soldier.

I had the same question about him myself and when I read the article understood why he was not there yet.  I can not imagine being deployed while your child is missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 01:03:10 PM
could they not give him a leave of absense for emergency purposes?

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 03, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19934096/detail.html



Ground Search Suspended For Missing McCleary Girl
Search Intensifies Into Her Online History

Posted: 6:21 pm PDT July 2, 2009
Updated: 6:55 pm PDT July 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The ground search for a missing Grays Harbor County girl has been suspended, but the search into her Internet history is intensifying.

Lindsey Baum, 10, disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house and there has been no sign of her since.

Police are now checking entries in her MySpace page and doing a forensic analysis of her computer looking for new clues.

They found an entry from Lindsey a month ago saying, "I've been getting a lot of nightmares lately and I have this bad feeling that something bads gonna happen.”

“That's why we're having the computer looked at now forensically to see if there's any other information that may have been deleted or in some other file we didn't access," said Rick Scott of Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

The initial analysis shows no evidence Lindsey communicated with anyone online that may have been involved in her disappearance.

"This is a really rough day today. It's getting worse every day," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

Lindsey's mom now thinks it's likely she was taken by someone she knew because she would have fought a stranger.

"She would have clawed them. She would have screamed, somebody would have heard something," Melissa Baum said.

Lindsey’s father, Greg Baum, lives in Tennessee and has been trying to come to McCleary, but is getting ready to deploy to Iraq. On Wednesday, he said he feel helpless, but knows the police are doing all they can.

"Right now, I'm just praying that she's found and she's found safe," Lindsey’s father said.

"I'll never give up. I know she'll come home, it's a matter of when and obviously the sooner the better. I know she's gonna come home,” Melissa Baum said.

Police, crews and volunteers have searched landfills, Dumpsters, creeks and conducted numerous ground searches, but have found no sign of Lindsey. The Mason County Sheriff’s Office is also questioning sex offenders about her disappearance.

Meanwhile, volunteers continue to hand out fliers in an effort to generate tips and keep spreading the word.

Police are asking people to get their facts from the police or media and to not flood the tip line after rumors about the case started circulating overnight.

Three billboards went up Thursday across Western Washington asking for the public’s help with this case.

Lindsey is 4 foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Anyone with information about Lindsey’s disappearance should call the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office at 1-866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 01:07:55 PM
This guy was convicted and released the same day.  Is a Level III SO and has not registered.  I am sick .  I hope this is wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 01:09:16 PM
"We're taking police officers and putting them on the street to follow up on the stack of tips we've received," said Scott.

Authorities expect Lindsey's father to arrive in town Thursday night or Friday. He's in the military service, stationed in Tennessee. Police hope he may be able to share new information with them to help them solve the disappearance.

We're looking at what's being said on the Internet. Looking at some of the communication that's being done in the community. The people that live here, the friends, the family, the neighbors, are the people that know this community better than you, than I, than any of the officers working it," said Scott. "So it's talking to them and hopefully prompting someone's memory and dragging out that seemingly meaningless piece of information that they have that's going to unravel this mystery."

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070209-missingmcclearygirlthursday,0,396026.story

I find this very concerning.  I would have assumed Lindsey's father would have immediately dropped everything and caught the next flight to McCleary following being informed of her disappearance.  I would have assumed he would have wanted to be involved in the search effort.

Kara ... were there underlying reasons why this did not happen.

Janet


There was a news article yesterday that stated he was in the military and about to be deployed.  I would suspect he could not drop everything without being classified as AWOL and would need to get permission for some special leave first.

Thank you.  That explains a lot.

However ... I would think that under the circumstances ... permission would have been granted.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
"We're taking police officers and putting them on the street to follow up on the stack of tips we've received," said Scott.

Authorities expect Lindsey's father to arrive in town Thursday night or Friday. He's in the military service, stationed in Tennessee. Police hope he may be able to share new information with them to help them solve the disappearance.

We're looking at what's being said on the Internet. Looking at some of the communication that's being done in the community. The people that live here, the friends, the family, the neighbors, are the people that know this community better than you, than I, than any of the officers working it," said Scott. "So it's talking to them and hopefully prompting someone's memory and dragging out that seemingly meaningless piece of information that they have that's going to unravel this mystery."

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070209-missingmcclearygirlthursday,0,396026.story

I find this very concerning.  I would have assumed Lindsey's father would have immediately dropped everything and caught the next flight to McCleary following being informed of her disappearance.  I would have assumed he would have wanted to be involved in the search effort.

Kara ... were there underlying reasons why this did not happen.

Janet


There was a news article yesterday that stated he was in the military and about to be deployed.  I would suspect he could not drop everything without being classified as AWOL and would need to get permission for some special leave first.

Thank you.  That explains a lot.

However ... I would think that under the circumstances ... permission would have been granted.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I totally agree.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.
He misses the kids.

"Since this happened there hasn't been kids out here at all. They're usually running all over," he said.

http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html

Has anyone mapped where this creek is in relation to the route home?  To search it 6 times sends off my hinky meter.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Sister on July 03, 2009, 01:13:14 PM
"We're taking police officers and putting them on the street to follow up on the stack of tips we've received," said Scott.

Authorities expect Lindsey's father to arrive in town Thursday night or Friday. He's in the military service, stationed in Tennessee. Police hope he may be able to share new information with them to help them solve the disappearance.

We're looking at what's being said on the Internet. Looking at some of the communication that's being done in the community. The people that live here, the friends, the family, the neighbors, are the people that know this community better than you, than I, than any of the officers working it," said Scott. "So it's talking to them and hopefully prompting someone's memory and dragging out that seemingly meaningless piece of information that they have that's going to unravel this mystery."

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070209-missingmcclearygirlthursday,0,396026.story

I find this very concerning.  I would have assumed Lindsey's father would have immediately dropped everything and caught the next flight to McCleary following being informed of her disappearance.  I would have assumed he would have wanted to be involved in the search effort.

Kara ... were there underlying reasons why this did not happen.

Janet


There was a news article yesterday that stated he was in the military and about to be deployed.  I would suspect he could not drop everything without being classified as AWOL and would need to get permission for some special leave first.

Thank you.  That explains a lot.

However ... I would think that under the circumstances ... permission would have been granted.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Unfortunately, being in the military is not like being able to walk into your "boss" office and getting permission.  It is even more complicated when you are being deployed.  There have been several articles posted here that gives explanation.  I too hope he gets a leave, I can't imagine how helpless he must feel.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 01:14:32 PM
Kara can you give us some idea of what is considered to be "west mason"?  It will help in mapping the SO's.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 03, 2009, 01:19:16 PM
Maybe things are just not being explained too well, I don't know. It seems there are conflicting stories about Lindsey getting to Kayla's house, Lindsey leaving Kayla's house.

So Lindsey, Kayla and the brother all walked over to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night. On the way to Kara's house, Lindsey and her brother had a fight about a bike. The neighbor broke up the fight and sent the brother on his way. The girls go to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night, Kara you said she couldn't, is that correct? I have a few questions if you dont mind answering...

Why did the girls just not call you to ask. I thought they were at Lindsey's house, they were not?

So was the brother going over to kara's house as well or did he just meet up with the girls? (I thought the  fight happened earlier in the day)

What is the story with the bike?

It is certainly your right, but what was the reasons you didn't want Lindsey to spend the night?

did Lindsey hang out for a little while or did Lindsey just leave? If she stayed, what did the girls do?

Lindsey left your house at about 9:30, correct?

Did Kayla spend the night with Lindsey the night before?

Thank you for answering what you can.




From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night. Kayla also said that she wanted mainly to be able to stay the next night (Saturday) which is why she (Lindsey)  did not push me to try and get me to let her stay.

They were at Lindsey's house right before heading to my house. Lindsey bathed and changed clothes because they had been swimming all day at a friends house.

The bike did not have a chain (it belonged to her brother) and she was pushing herself around on it (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

I did tell her no to staying the night as did my old man. I told her no because I was trying to write that night and we were suppose to go out the following morning to look for seashells (I wanted to try making seashell candles). When the girls are together they don't like to sleep and are very loud. - Scott (my old man) had said no because he works nights typically (not that night though) and has very little time home. And the time he usually is home our house is typically full with my kids (4) and their friends so he was hoping for some peace and quiet.

Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes but I don't even think it was a full 5 minutes before heading back home.

She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.

Kayla did spend the night at Lindsey's house the night before.

For another post: It was friends of Lindsey and kayla that rented the movies the girls just happened to be with them at the time. That was at 8:19pm.

Please let me know if I missed anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 01:19:17 PM
I found one Mullin as a SO.  I am not saying there is any connection whatsoever.  Just putting it out there.

Details
Name: BRUCE D MULLINS Registration #: 640461
Level:  Level II 

Physical Description
• Age: 39 • Height: 6.01
• Sex: M • Weight: 205
• Race: Caucasian • Eyes: Green
• Hair: Blonde
• Scars/Tattoos: 
       
Address
1400 block of SE 125TH AVENUE VANCOUVER, WA 98683   View Map 
       
Offenses
• Description: 9A.44.073 - Rape of a child in the first degree.,
• Date Convicted: 03/25/1994 
• Date Released:   
• Details:
 
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=788206&AgencyID=54479


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 03, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
As for Lindsey's dad - I know the papers and news make it seem like he was trying so hard but actually one of Melissa Baum's friends paid for his ticket to come here. I am told it was $ why he did not come right away. He has a new family in TN


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 01:22:37 PM
Maybe things are just not being explained too well, I don't know. It seems there are conflicting stories about Lindsey getting to Kayla's house, Lindsey leaving Kayla's house.

So Lindsey, Kayla and the brother all walked over to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night. On the way to Kara's house, Lindsey and her brother had a fight about a bike. The neighbor broke up the fight and sent the brother on his way. The girls go to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night, Kara you said she couldn't, is that correct? I have a few questions if you dont mind answering...

Why did the girls just not call you to ask. I thought they were at Lindsey's house, they were not?

So was the brother going over to kara's house as well or did he just meet up with the girls? (I thought the  fight happened earlier in the day)

What is the story with the bike?

It is certainly your right, but what was the reasons you didn't want Lindsey to spend the night?

did Lindsey hang out for a little while or did Lindsey just leave? If she stayed, what did the girls do?

Lindsey left your house at about 9:30, correct?

Did Kayla spend the night with Lindsey the night before?

Thank you for answering what you can.




From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night. Kayla also said that she wanted mainly to be able to stay the next night (Saturday) which is why she (Lindsey)  did not push me to try and get me to let her stay.

They were at Lindsey's house right before heading to my house. Lindsey bathed and changed clothes because they had been swimming all day at a friends house.

The bike did not have a chain (it belonged to her brother) and she was pushing herself around on it (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

I did tell her no to staying the night as did my old man. I told her no because I was trying to write that night and we were suppose to go out the following morning to look for seashells (I wanted to try making seashell candles). When the girls are together they don't like to sleep and are very loud. - Scott (my old man) had said no because he works nights typically (not that night though) and has very little time home. And the time he usually is home our house is typically full with my kids (4) and their friends so he was hoping for some peace and quiet.

Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes but I don't even think it was a full 5 minutes before heading back home.

She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.

Kayla did spend the night at Lindsey's house the night before.

For another post: It was friends of Lindsey and kayla that rented the movies the girls just happened to be with them at the time. That was at 8:19pm.

Please let me know if I missed anything.

Thank you Kara.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KaraK on July 03, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
One other thing:

I have never heard anything about a car stopping and trying to talk to an 11 year old around here. I know that Marilyn LaChester says that but I could not find anyone who could verify that and we've never heard anything about it. The LaChester's no longer live in McCleary so would not have lived here when the girls thought that they were followed so she got that from a third party.

I am not familiar with west mason. Directions are horrible for me - I could get lost walking to the mailbox. I work full time at home on my computer so I rarely get out. I will ask Scott when he gets up and see if I can answer that, then if he can I will come and post it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 03, 2009, 01:44:57 PM
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.
He misses the kids.

"Since this happened there hasn't been kids out here at all. They're usually running all over," he said.

http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html

Has anyone mapped where this creek is in relation to the route home?  To search it 6 times sends off my hinky meter.


  ::MonkeyEek:: Well something isn't right with this, and I'm wondering if the timeline is off also, sure seems to me it is  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 01:49:02 PM
One other thing:

I have never heard anything about a car stopping and trying to talk to an 11 year old around here. I know that Marilyn LaChester says that but I could not find anyone who could verify that and we've never heard anything about it. The LaChester's no longer live in McCleary so would not have lived here when the girls thought that they were followed so she got that from a third party.

I am not familiar with west mason. Directions are horrible for me - I could get lost walking to the mailbox. I work full time at home on my computer so I rarely get out. I will ask Scott when he gets up and see if I can answer that, then if he can I will come and post it.

Kara

Considering that Marilyn LaChester's claims regarding the brother and the white vehicle involved Lindsey, her mother and law enforcement ... I would assume there are avenues of verifications in regards to the truth.

Also ... to her credit ... LaChester is forthcoming in regards to her identity.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 01:58:45 PM
Northern Rose

The guage on my hinky meter also went wild when I read the following but ... four days later ... nothing.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Who is Jim Mullin.  Maybe Kara could fill us in.

Janet

+++++++

Search ramps up for McCleary girl
10:19 PM PDT on Tuesday, June 30, 2009
By DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News


Every option is still on the table for police, who say Lindsey could have been injured, lost, kidnapped or just ran away.

"We have not found evidence, we have not found circumstances, witnesses or information that speaks specifically as to what happened to Lindsey," said Scott.

Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.  

He misses the kids.

"Since this happened there hasn't been kids out here at all. They're usually running all over," he said.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 02:05:00 PM
gee I wish I could get on here earlier than I do, but my mornings are so tied up, but here now

will see if I can figure out who this is and where this is
_______________
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

He misses the kids.

"Since this happened there hasn't been kids out here at all. They're usually running all over," he said.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 02:30:43 PM
Maybe things are just not being explained too well, I don't know. It seems there are conflicting stories about Lindsey getting to Kayla's house, Lindsey leaving Kayla's house.

So Lindsey, Kayla and the brother all walked over to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night. On the way to Kara's house, Lindsey and her brother had a fight about a bike. The neighbor broke up the fight and sent the brother on his way. The girls go to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night, Kara you said she couldn't, is that correct? I have a few questions if you dont mind answering...

Why did the girls just not call you to ask. I thought they were at Lindsey's house, they were not?

So was the brother going over to kara's house as well or did he just meet up with the girls? (I thought the  fight happened earlier in the day)

What is the story with the bike?

It is certainly your right, but what was the reasons you didn't want Lindsey to spend the night?

did Lindsey hang out for a little while or did Lindsey just leave? If she stayed, what did the girls do?

Lindsey left your house at about 9:30, correct?

Did Kayla spend the night with Lindsey the night before?

Thank you for answering what you can.




From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night. Kayla also said that she wanted mainly to be able to stay the next night (Saturday) which is why she (Lindsey)  did not push me to try and get me to let her stay.

They were at Lindsey's house right before heading to my house. Lindsey bathed and changed clothes because they had been swimming all day at a friends house.

The bike did not have a chain (it belonged to her brother) and she was pushing herself around on it (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

I did tell her no to staying the night as did my old man. I told her no because I was trying to write that night and we were suppose to go out the following morning to look for seashells (I wanted to try making seashell candles). When the girls are together they don't like to sleep and are very loud. - Scott (my old man) had said no because he works nights typically (not that night though) and has very little time home. And the time he usually is home our house is typically full with my kids (4) and their friends so he was hoping for some peace and quiet.

Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes but I don't even think it was a full 5 minutes before heading back home.

She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.

Kayla did spend the night at Lindsey's house the night before.

For another post: It was friends of Lindsey and kayla that rented the movies the girls just happened to be with them at the time. That was at 8:19pm.

Please let me know if I missed anything.

Timeline

Thursday 25 June
Kayla spends the night at Lindsey's house

Friday 26 June
Lindsey and Kayla had been swimming all day at a friends house

8:19 - friends of Lindsey and kayla rented the movies the girls just happened to be with them at the time

After 8:19 (8:29) ](lets assume it takes 10 minutes to get from video store to Lindsey's house)-  They were at Lindsey's house right before heading to my house. Lindsey bathed and changed clothes

After bath 8:59 (is 30 minutes to bath and change closes reasonable?)- she was pushing herself around on the bike (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) If my timings are correct it only leaves 10 minutes to get from Lindsey's house to Kayla's house and there is no time to be pushing a bike around for some time.it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

At Kayla's (9:10) - Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes

Leave Kayla's - She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.

Looking for you guys to comment about my observations here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 03, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
Not sure if any relation to Jim Mullins, maybe DD can check:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/MullinsBruceSO.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 02:44:15 PM
30 minutes for a young girl to shower, get dressed  and this is a girl who liked taking care with her appearence, hmmm. To me 30 minutes sounds as a minimum. I have a 10 year old boy, when getting ready for school it takes 25 minutes to shower, dress and comb his hair and he couldn't careless what he looks like, lol. 







Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 02:44:50 PM
Not sure if any relation to Jim Mullins, maybe DD can check:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/MullinsBruceSO.jpg)

I feel privileged that we share a brain on this. I posted his info a page back.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 02:51:07 PM
30 minutes for a young girl to shower, get dressed  and this is a girl who liked taking care with her appearence, hmmm. To me 30 minutes sounds as a minimum. I have a 10 year old boy, when getting ready for school it takes 25 minutes to shower, dress and comb his hair and he couldn't careless what he looks like, lol. 



Thanks Tracy.  I as well am having issues with the little time left between being seen at the video store and getting to Kayla's house.  8:19 - 9:15. There is approx 1 hour and 4 minutes were a walk home from the video store, a bath, getting dressed, pushing a bike without a chain, having an argument with a brother, having a neighbour intervene in the arguement and send brother home and then making it the rest of the way to Kayla's.  Just does not feasibly seem like enough time to fit all that in.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 02:52:03 PM
Jim mullins is elusive LOL, as I am sure you all know by now, as I just got online and I am sure everyone has tried to find this guy ugh... still looking.  I'll find him  ::MonkeyWink::

here are mullins in mccleary to start with

KARA is this the creek up above mccleary town, behind the simpsons? 

MULLINS, LARRY L (Age 59)

Associated names:

 MULLINS, LARRY K
 RANDLE, WA
SHELTON, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

 Possible Relatives:

MULLINS, MARTY J (Age 44) could this be marty JIM?:let me go find out
MULLINS, CURTIS E (Age 46)
MULLINS, HAZEL B (Age 83)
MULLINS, CINDY
 


  MULLINS, MICHELLE LYNN (Age 42)
 MATLOCK, WA
ELMA, WA
EUGENE, OR
SHELTON, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
AMANDA PARK, WA

Possible Relatives:

MULLINS, LACHELLE (Age 39)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WALKER, JODI M (Age 36)
TINOCO, ALVAREZ RIVELINO (Age 37)
GIBSON, ANDREW C
WENNBERG, JESSICA M (Age 28)
 



  MULLINS, JEFFERY M (Age 51)

Associated names:

 MULLINS, JEFF H
  MANSON, WA
CHELAN, WA
WENATCHEE, WA
ROUNDUP, MT
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

MULLINS, CAROL L
 


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 02:52:13 PM
*Bump* From page 2

Quote
She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said
Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: klaasend on July 03, 2009, 02:55:42 PM
Northern Rose - lol, that's what I get for not reading back a couple pages.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 02:57:53 PM
Northern Rose - lol, that's what I get for not reading back a couple pages.

As said - feel privilege , I just want the non-sudafed side please  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: 6/26/09 Endangered Missing - 10 yr. old Lindsey Baum from McCleary, WA
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
*bump* page 2 or 3, whatever I am on


FBI helping with case of missing McCleary girl

04:20 PM PDT on Sunday, June 28, 2009

TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News

McCLEARY, Wash. - The FBI has been called in to help in the investigation into the disappearance of 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The McCleary girl was last seen Friday on Maple Street.

Michaela Campen is the last person known to have seen Lindsay. The girls were at Michaela's home around 9:30 Friday night, hoping Lindsay could sleep over.

"I told her you need to head home, it's getting dark soon, a half hour of light left.  She put on her shoes and headed home," said Kara Campen.


Lindsay was alone for that nearly half-mile walk.

Her mother called police shortly before 11:00 Friday night to report her missing.

"We're starting to think the worst because it has been two days now, with a small town if anybody knew anything they would have said something so there's a lot of despair," said family friend Melissa McCann.

Neither the family nor investigators believe 10-year-old Lindsay ran away.  They're checking ditches and byways, wondering if she fell victim to an accident, but ruling nothing out.

"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

The family says Lindsay argued with her older brother earlier in the day Friday and her parents recently divorced. But the family firmly believes neither was related to her disappearance.

Anyone with information is asked to call Grays Harbor E911 Center at 360-533-8765 or McCleary Police at 360-495-3107.

There is video @ the link
http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062809WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-sun-SW.165195dd.html






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 02:58:27 PM
here is bruce d mullins JR age 39 and  his connections

MULLINS, BRUCE DELANO (Age 39)

Associated names:

 MULLINS, BRUCE B
 MULLINS, BRUCE D
 VANCOUVER, WA

Possible Relatives:

MULLINS, CARMEN LYNETTE (Age 37)
MULLINS, GAIL A (Age 67)
MULLINS, ROBYN D (Age 30)
MULLINS, RENEE (Age 42)
MULLINS, RUTH (Age 73)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MULLINS, BRUCE D (Age 73)
MULLINS, BRUCE JR (Age 39)
 



 MULLINS, BRUCE JR (Age 39)

Associated names:

 MULLINS, BRUCE D
  VANCOUVER, WA

Possible Relatives:

MULLINS, CARMEN LYNETTE (Age 37)
MULLINS, GAIL A (Age 67)
MULLINS, ROBYN D (Age 30)
MULLINS, RENEE (Age 42)
MULLINS, RUTH (Age 73)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MULLINS, BRUCE D (Age 73)
OKERLUND, KIMBERLEY D (Age 54)
LAVADURE, MEREDITH A (Age 35)
SMITH, MARK S (Age 50)
MULLINS, BRUCE DELANO (Age 39)
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 03, 2009, 02:59:44 PM
30 minutes for a young girl to shower, get dressed  and this is a girl who liked taking care with her appearence, hmmm. To me 30 minutes sounds as a minimum. I have a 10 year old boy, when getting ready for school it takes 25 minutes to shower, dress and comb his hair and he couldn't careless what he looks like, lol. 



Thanks Tracy.  I as well am having issues with the little time left between being seen at the video store and getting to Kayla's house.  8:19 - 9:15. There is approx 1 hour and 4 minutes were a walk home from the video store, a bath, getting dressed, pushing a bike without a chain, having an argument with a brother, having a neighbour intervene in the arguement and send brother home and then making it the rest of the way to Kayla's.  Just does not feasibly seem like enough time to fit all that in.
I keep saying something is wrong with this timeline, but what do I know? Something isn't right.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 03:07:57 PM
30 minutes for a young girl to shower, get dressed  and this is a girl who liked taking care with her appearence, hmmm. To me 30 minutes sounds as a minimum. I have a 10 year old boy, when getting ready for school it takes 25 minutes to shower, dress and comb his hair and he couldn't careless what he looks like, lol. 



Thanks Tracy.  I as well am having issues with the little time left between being seen at the video store and getting to Kayla's house.  8:19 - 9:15. There is approx 1 hour and 4 minutes were a walk home from the video store, a bath, getting dressed, pushing a bike without a chain, having an argument with a brother, having a neighbour intervene in the arguement and send brother home and then making it the rest of the way to Kayla's.  Just does not feasibly seem like enough time to fit all that in.
I keep saying something is wrong with this timeline, but what do I know? Something isn't right.

Yup.  My guess of 30 minutes for bath and dress is very conservative.  10 minutes to fill tub, 10 minutes to bath/wash, 10 mins to dry, dress and primp.  Even if that is correct it would take at least 10 minutes to walk from Lindsey's to Kayla's so the pushing the bike ( which would slow things down), fight, and intervention uses up time that I just can not see as being there.  Even if it was a shower instead of a bath it woud still take at least 30 minutes from start to finish IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 03:14:11 PM
It seems the time line is a bit off. The dad or moms boyfriend said she was there 10-15 min but the mom says she was there for maybe five, big difference there. I know reporters get things wrong when a story is breaking and people don't go around and constantly look at the clock and document everything, but it seems a few of things are more then just knowing what time it was such as how long a person is at a home.

I really want to know what the girls were doing in between the time of Lindsey's arrival and departure from her friends home. She was there long enough to take off shoes and the dad/boyfriend say she was there for 10-15 min. Did they get on the computer? Did they make phone calls? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: doubledecker on July 03, 2009, 03:19:38 PM
I am not finding anything today  ::MonkeyDevil::

hmmm, please let this not be another bunch of people with a ton of aka's


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
I am confused about something. The boyfriend/stepddad/old man  said she left at 9:15 and that was the last they heard of her. Another friend even walked her part of the way home.
Who is this other friend? It couldn't be Kayla, the step dad said she left as 9;15 and didnt hear from her again. If this has already been cleared up, sorry for bringing it up again


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

I was under the false impression that Lindsey had spend the evening with her friend prior to being denied permission to spend the night and ... being sent home.  According to Kara's husband ... she was only there for 10 - 15 minutes.  This implies it was after 9:00 PM when she arrived.

If plans were made during the walk from the Baun home to the friend's home to ask permision for Lindsey to stay the night ... what was the purpose of Lindsey and her brother even beginning the jouney in the first place.  It must have been after 8:00 PM when they left the Baum home.

Also ... who was the friend who walked Lindsey part way home?

Janet

++++++

FLASHBACK TO LAST SUNDAY

FBI joins search for missing 10-year-old girL

Story Published: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM PDT


MCCLEARY, Wash. - The FBI has joined the search for a 10-year-old girl who vanished Friday while walking home from a friend's house in this small mill town.

Officials said the federal crime-busting bureau was brought in because of its expertise and experience in solving missing children cases. The FBI also will be bringing in more law enforcement personnel to assist.

As the search for 10-year-old Lindsey J. Baum stretched into its second day Sunday, police and family - along with the whole town - are baffled and concerned at the girl's disappearance in a town where everyone knows their neighbors.

Lindsey was last seen between 9 and 10 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting, said Dave Pimentel of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

The search was resumed Sunday at 6 a.m., and has now been expanded. Three times as many people are involved as on Saturday, and searchers are looking at areas that weren't checked earlier. So far, however, their efforts have met with the same futile result as the day before.

Police are hesitant to call the girl's disappearance a case of foul play just yet, but the girl's family fears the worst.

"I've tried to keep the thought of somebody grabbing her out of my mind," says her mother, Melissa Baum.

She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home

I want to think that everything's OK, but there's a part of me that thinks the worst," Williams says.

Now hope has turned to anxiety and alarm among frustrated search teams - and the whole town, population 1,550.

The mother is also at a loss.

She says her daughter is upset about her recent divorce, but doesn't have money to run away - and has never tried to run away before. Her mom doubts at this point that Lindsey is trying to hide.

"If somebody does have her, I wish they would just drop her off somewhere where she can get to a pay phone and call 911 or call home, so that we can come and get her," she says, sobbing.

Melissa McCann, a family friend, said, "This is a small town. These things don't happen. And yet here they are. She comes from her friend's (house) a lot, so it doesn't make sense that she didn't show up at home. We're just baffled."

Lindsey's father lives in Tennessee. Police have contacted him, and he's not suspected of any involvement in Lindsey's disappearance.

Pimentel said it's strange that nobody saw anything unusual.

"Such a small community like this - you can't do much in a town this size without everybody knowing about it," he said. "Everybody in town knows she's unaccounted for."

Lindsey was last seen wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover sweatshirt, with blue jeans and black shoes. She has brown eyes, brown hair, and stands about 4-feet-9-inches and weighs about 80 pounds.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Grays Harbor 911 Center at (800) 281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 03, 2009, 03:31:22 PM
I am confused about something. The boyfriend/stepddad/old man  said she left at 9:15 and that was the last they heard of her. Another friend even walked her part of the way home.
Who is this other friend? It couldn't be Kayla, the step dad said she left as 9;15 and didnt hear from her again. If this has already been cleared up, sorry for bringing it up again

It appears now nobody walked her home, Kayla only watched her leave, so I don't know. Before the understanding was Kayla walked her half way home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 03, 2009, 03:32:08 PM
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.
He misses the kids.

"Since this happened there hasn't been kids out here at all. They're usually running all over," he said.

http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html

Has anyone mapped where this creek is in relation to the route home?  To search it 6 times sends off my hinky meter.


I know this is a long shot and that name Mullins is very common but there was a missing woman(Amy Mullins)they found found dead in Thurston county,WA.........

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.komotv.com/images/070722_amy_mullins.jpg&imgrefurl=http://missingexploited.com/2007/07/23/39-year-old-amy-mae-mullins-missing-since-july-21-2007-in-rochester-wa/&usg=__SDJ0zM6nF3C6tAn7rEvv6H_62wY=&h=240&w=320&sz=25&hl=en&start=12&um=1&tbnid=Oc69KX3sHrLmuM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJim%2BMullins,McCleary%2BWA%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 03, 2009, 03:34:12 PM
Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.  (From above article Janet posted. So okay then who was the other friend? What's true and what isn't?)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 03, 2009, 03:35:19 PM
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.
He misses the kids.

"Since this happened there hasn't been kids out here at all. They're usually running all over," he said.

http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html

Has anyone mapped where this creek is in relation to the route home?  To search it 6 times sends off my hinky meter.


I know this is a long shot and that name Mullins is very common but there was a missing woman(Amy Mullins)they found found dead in Thurston county,WA.........

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.komotv.com/images/070722_amy_mullins.jpg&imgrefurl=http://missingexploited.com/2007/07/23/39-year-old-amy-mae-mullins-missing-since-july-21-2007-in-rochester-wa/&usg=__SDJ0zM6nF3C6tAn7rEvv6H_62wY=&h=240&w=320&sz=25&hl=en&start=12&um=1&tbnid=Oc69KX3sHrLmuM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJim%2BMullins,McCleary%2BWA%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1


Yes, and I wondered about that last name, thanks for the link.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
Post by: Northern Rose on July 03, 2009, 03:37:26 PM
It seems the time line is a bit off. The dad or moms boyfriend said she was there 10-15 min but the mom says she was there for maybe five, big difference there. I know reporters get things wrong when a story is breaking and people don't go around and constantly look at the clock and document everything, but it seems a few of things are more then just knowing what time it was such as how long a person is at a home.

I really want to know what the girls were doing in between the time of Lindsey's arrival and departure from her friends home. She was there long enough to take off shoes and the dad/boyfriend say she was there for 10-15 min. Did they get on the computer? Did they make phone calls? 

When I did my timeline I based the time to walk from Lindsey's to Kayla's on articles written:

It was a route Lindsey Baum had taken many times -- a 10-minute walk down a densely populated suburban street between her house and a friend's.

Here is the other part that has changed, first it was Lindsey and Josh going over to Kayla's:

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.


I have seen reporting that has been not the greatest (Nevaeh's case for example), however I am surprised that there was no mention of Kayla being with Josh and Lindsey in the first few articles and it was Lindsey's mom that was being quoted.  I am sure that Kayla and Josh have been questioned ad nauseum about that day, but I am still wondering if they were doing something that they should not have been as the timeline just does not have enough minutes to make everything that was to have happened fit.  Als